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to use his,mether toague, under many indictments, I not rest with him, for he had sio opportunity Is' Ind 'each indictment consisting of many counts," it forded to him of conveying to,the two Noble Lords
was not unnatural, it was, not tnconsistent with , the nature Of the proposal he meant to make. But
common justice, that he should hear those indict- ; the Hon. Gentleman seemed to think that' there
ments, and the arguments and proofs by which they I Was something-almost absurd in the offer which be
were supported, before h' 'have his answer or made/ had made to the tWo.Noble Lords, add that' it was
his defence. When the . House
.recollefted that it , highly honourable in them to have refused it.—
was not until he heard the Hon. Gentleman that he Upoti this point he begged to say, that it appeared
could be aware of many of the questions which he to him that there were then in existence circum-
, had to answer, or of many of the indiaments stances which afforded a greater chance of the
against which he had to' defend himself, it would, : success of his application than at any other time.
he was sure, acquit, him of any thing like intentional The first: was, though this might appear a trifling
..distespea. for not haying risen sooner. It 'was, in consideration, the period of. the year.' Some time
point of fa&,.because he expeeted to hear from'the had elapsed since the prorogation of Parliament,
Hon. Gentleman, and some of those wit() sat near when political animosities might naturally be sup-
' him, all• those charges which he should have 'te : posed to be irritated and augmented by the contests
answer, that be had not solicited the attention of the in which the different parties were engaged in Par-
.- ionse at an earlier period of the debate. There was liament, and the lapse of time. might naturally
also another reason why he wished to hear the Hon. be supposed to have abated much of party
Gentleman and others, on' that side of the' House, • animosity. This, hOwe'ver, he mentioned only as a
before he rose • he wished to know whether the slight circumstance ; but there were others in his
Amendoient which they had proposed was all the
,rn.ind of much more importance: The Hon. Gen-
, amendment which they meant to offer to. the Ad- • tleman had asked how he could expea that any
. dress, or whether they' meant to propose any other union couldtake,place among those who differed
alterations. The Amendment which had been pro- Iso radically Most certainly very considerable dif-
posed only applied to that part of the 'Address ferences.thtd subsisted between the Noble fords to
whiCh: related to the tender of papers respecting whom he' made the applieation, and the -Adruini-,
the expedition to Yialcheren, and would Of course stration, but he thought that (here was less chance
leave untouched all the remainder. , He wished to that these differences would prevent an union at that
know, thereforerowhether the Gentlemen on the time, because many of those differences had been
other.side had mate up their own Minds as to what removed. With respect to Austria, the war had
they wanted the House to do upon this occasion— nearly terminated, and therefore the question re-
whether they-had any other Amendments td offer : - speaing the propriety of taking a part in. the con-,
if they had, they were bound in common candour, tests on the Continent, which formed one of the
though not perhaps in strict form, to state at once - points of differences; was on the eve of being rernov-,
what ' were their intentions. it appeared to him '..ed. -With rrspea-to Spain and Portugal, hehhought
rather eitraordinary that if they had any thing so there could exist tesealifference Of opinion in giving
suggest with regard to the other parts sof the Ad- I assistance to those injured nations, as long as they
• dress, they had not stated it in the Amendment, for felt the inclination, or possessed the means defend-
certainly in their speeches they had,alluded •to the, ing them-selves. That ceiestion, however, was open
campaign in Spain and Portugal, as well as to the for discussions', With regard to. America, there cere
Expedition to the Scheldt, . though no part of the tainly did appear to exist greater difficulties in re-
Amendment applied to. it. But he really. believed , couciling the difference which had subsisted be-
that the' Gentlemen .on the Other
,aide sho had,, tweets them; but even upon this point the ob-
spolcen, were not aware of any intention to propose stades- to an uniondid not appear to be insuperable.
any further amendment, if it really existed, for if ' One:of the great leiding points of difference respect-
;they had they waSuld in candour' baths announced •ing America arose opon the Orders of Council,
that intention. _With' respect to the many questions which the two Noble Lords had represented as most
which had been put to him, there was one, to which, imOolitk, and as•beiog big with ruin to the COM+
entering folly into the feeling -which had been so .weer© of this country:. Fortiinately: the policy or
:eloquently. expressed by his Right Hon. Friend heh imPolicy of the OrderS in Connell then no longer.
-low him (Mr. Canning) he wished.to say as little as .remained a questiOn -of theory ;' it had been deter-
possible now, or at any other time. . Vpois that- - mine] by the evidence of leis. SO far from having
sibje&, therefore, he should only state thus much, ruined the commerce Oldie country, as ' bad been
' that with regard to the transactions to, which the, confidently predieteds they had been prodhaiie of
Hoh.• Gentleman had alluded, he could assure him the most beneficielcons'equences. Hewes nowhappy
-and the House, that he Waasentirely ignorant of 'to have it-in his,pow-er•to state, that the trade of this
them until the close of the •Sesaions, of Parliament, country in the last year, that 'is to the quarter end-
end when he did krfow ,pf them, he cartainly did ing in 080berlast, WEIS, not only greater than it was
conceive, whatever might bethe motives which in- the yetis, before, but than it was even in the most
.dared his Right Hon-. Frienctto wish for the removal 1 prosperous period.- The export of manufactures
of the Notate Lord, that lie (the Chancellor of,Ex- . and of foreign .produce last year exceeded,: by seven,
chsquer) should be a party in them; 'more espehially . *Mona, our trade in the most favourable period of
as an. Expedition of great importance was at that .r peace, and by teh millions that of any year ,of
time in great forwardness, with Whicithe Noble 'j war. He did not Mean to say that there were
Led (Castlereagh) was intimately-connected. All snot other circumstances which had, operated to
that he then did arose frpm an anxious deiire to augment our commerce, but he had stated enough
preserve to the country the servii•es of. both theins a to shear that there was nythingsoineonsistent with
'divicitials alluded•to: Feeling as, he did the utmost' corimen sense—nothing so'• calculated to ruin the'
admiration of the splendid talents and eloqueneeof 1 trade of this country, in the Orders. of Council, as.
bis Right' Hon. Friend,(Mr. Canning); and thinking the Noble. Lords had contended. He'liad therefore
most high highly of the abilities Of his,Noble Friend flattered 'himself that he should have been able to
(Lord iCastlereagh)-, he certainly did every thing that ,•, remove one great ground of difference between those '
it was in his power to do to retain both of them in ' Noble Lords and himself, by arty appeal to expert- i
Ike service of their country. This was }is only ob. • once and the incontestible esidetice of tails, Ano-
jeat ; never having.partakesh'in any opinion of the Cher` essential point of.difference certainly was the
inability of his 'Noble Friend, but thinking that Catholic questiou; but there again it appeared to ,
be was as able, as useful, and asefficient a Minister him that the obstacles to an union had been in a
as that office ever possessed. Having. said thus' . great degree' removed. After the. Noble Lord and
much, • he, should not go any further • into the the Right Hon. Gentleman, who had presented the
question.' , Catholic Phtitions .to both HOuses of Parliament,

[We have. given as accurately as we could the ChancellOr
of the Exchequer's language upon this point, but as he
-spoke tither in a low tone of voice, it is possible that we
may have Leen
_mistaken in Soine of his expressions.) •
The Hone Gentleman had next put to'him some
questions ,respecting the situation which he had the
honour to bold in his Majesty's Councils, to-which
Le begged to answer in the'mast distinta manner :
that s4uation was not in any manner an obje& of
his own desire ; on the contrary, if his wishes
could have been , realized, another person would
now have held the office of First Lord of the Trea-
sury. After the resignation of the Noble Duke,
then at the Lead of the Administration, his Ma-
jesty had desired him and a Noble Friend of hiS,
to-make an application to two Noble Lords; for the
, purpose 'of forming:an extended Administration:
This command his. Noble Friend awl he obeyed, .
and. upon this foundation the Hon. gentleman had
• accused him of having hawked about the officeS of
. Goverement.—[Here Alr.Whitbread said,,dcross the
table, " IVo, no.' I—The 'Chancellor of the Ex-
chequer continued, and 'observed,: that
:that was.
what he understood the Hon. Gentleman to say, and
the whole tenor 'of his argument provedi that that'l
was what be meant. The situation of the corintry,
was obviously such as required as strong an • Admi-
nistration as could be for Med, .and he did think that
there.were circumstances at the time the application
was Made,. which rendered improbable' that
that, application would not have-been ,unsuccessful.
But it he was' to be accused of arrogance,
and ,of wishing to reign, with;aut a rival,
it was strange that he should have made
the. application to the two ' Noble Lords,'
and more especially when he rtriformed. the Hoase '
-.•that the . first proposition he Shobld have
mate_ to. them, if they had given h.+, an opportunity
of stating it, would have 'been t:'i they should de-.
terthine who should be the Firstlui: of the Treasury,
ith respe& to himself, he again repeated that it
was a situation -which not. desire. That he
had afterwards, accepted the Offite......w as •true, and
,his principal motive waOkat he .felt himself bound,
b eyery: consideration of duty, not to suffer his.
-Sovereign to be diCiated, to; and not to 'leave- his
Majesty without a Minister. - He had already stated.
the proposition he meant- to make-with respe& to
the• Office of First Lord 'of the,Treasury ; ; with re-
gard to the other atlic'es of Government,, it was na-
lurktl 0 conceive thiat they were to be filled by those
Ito centributed to the formation] of the Admioi-;
titration. If tlYere was any 'thing in this staternent
tit rested solely upon his 'assertion, the fault did

had been disavowed by the Catholics, with regard to
the offer which they had made relative to the veto
on the appointment of Bishops, he did think that
tilt), would naturally have come to the determination
of not again supporting that Petition, until the- Ca-
, tholics should, agree to that proposition, which the
Noble Lord and the Right Hoo, Gentleman had
deemed so essential. And as it did not seem likely
th.li the Catholics of Ireland would agree to that
proposition, there did seem reason to believe that
there was a greater chance of a concurrence of opi-
.
-pion, to a certain extent at least, between those two
Nobte Lords and the Administration, than had
lieretolose existed. Under all these circumstances,
he certainly did think there was a great probability.
that'. his proposition would have been acceded to,
and that those two Noble Lords would have con-.
curred with %him in thinking, that in the present
-state of the Country, it ought to be the wish of all
, men, of all parties, that the strongest and most
efficient Governuient should be formed. These
,were the reasons which had induced him to make '
the offer upon which the Hon. Gentleman had
commented so strongly.
,But !then the Hon. Gen- 1
tleman asked, why, after what he called this symp;
,!tom• of weakness,, as it had been called, he had
accepted his present offfee ? He had accepted it
because his offer had been rejeded, and because he
could Not. reconcile it to his' duty' to leave his
Sovereign in a situation to be did-fated to. If
there clad been 'any thing unconstitutional in
his cpncind, he Called. upon Gentlemen to ,
• point it- out, for he was yet to • learn that there
was any thing unconstitutional in fidelity to'his So-
vereign. .He would not do any one of the Gentle-
then opposite to him, the injustice io suppose that,
under •Stinilar circumstances, they would not have
adopted similar conduct. He waS sure there wcis
not -one of them that would -not have felt it his
duty in such a case to have adhered to his Sove-
reign] and to hive given him every Constitutional
support. The _Hon. Gentleman declared that he
wished to see the present AdMinistration removed;'
and another set of • Ministers appointed io their
room. He did not-mean to speak presumptinausly,
though the Hon: Pentleman, might think his lan-
guage had that tendency 5 but looking at' the Grn-
tlemen opposite, to hire, and giVing them fill', credit
for the talenti and eloquence which they s' possessed,
he did not think that they would possess more of the
good opinion
,of the Hodse and of the Country than
he and his dxl. The Hon. Gentleman
had expressed his decided disapprobation of the
whole condutt Of Admieistratinn, from the lime the •

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