The Sun.
London, England, 1819-10-16 00:00:00

11 it: ivive liappencain ofircr places, cliey, at ;east,
51.!oidti be Qlfe.

Mr. the' n bragn in proceed in his
-speech, hilt was•lnterruptexl ny rations marks o'
idisafininbation from !he Meeting. The flan. L.
D'oirlas and Mr. W. Irawices successively request.;
1...1 that he might be heard with attention. Mr.
S. Wortley again attempted to speak, but was
Egain interrupted
The Duke of Nortrooz entreated silence, and
'begged that Mr. S. Wortley might be hear; will)
•patience A contrary lire of eomlnet coold have
elo other effzet !hilt) to injure iheir cause. The
appeal of kis Grace being unsuccessful,
I‘,..it C. A N again presented him-elf., and said,
4, Brother It( formists, if you si,toy any person,
Nvho may offer himself to your notice, a hearing,
you wiA sacs ;flee your character and claim to
ills! ice. Hear him, hear all, hear every thing.
By acting otherwise you will only sacrifice your
cause, and give the enemies of Reform an adrans
(age titer you.''

Mr. S. WoRTLev thanked the Gentleman who
thus came Inrward a second 'true to endeavour to
procure him a hearing. That person said the
trnit in stating that the'cause of Reform would
be more injured than served by interruption
of this hind ; but on that subject lie would
not say a word. Reim ni was not now the
qee•tion before them, and if it were, he would
neither beS ashamed nor afraid to avow his
sentiments on it. It was however, at present
unnecessary. When inletinpted, lie was con-
tt-nditig, that to call Paqiament together for the
ptopose of investigation, would not be so good
course 85 to litho: the matter before a Court of
.-i‘ts' ice. Got !whiti that the events at Manches-
ter should pass without inquiry in some place. By
them a great and sital principle of the Constitu-
tion was put at Hue. But let those events he in-
qttired into before the grave and Learned Judges
of the land, and let an hottest Jury of twelve
men say on their oaths, whether the transactions
at Manchester were illegal, or, whether, ou the
other hand, ti,e Magistrates were justified in
the course they adopted ? Was it his wish to
pieclode investigation ? No such thing. He
called for it ; he was anxious for it, but in a
way rbffercut from his Hon. Friends.—(Cries of
ratliament, Pailiament !)—He would now shortly
alinde to the approbation given by his Royal
Highness the Pt ioce Regent, with the advice of
lily Ministers, to the 11.1agistrates. Upon that
point, be would say this, that a -time most come,
and shortly too, .when Ministers would be called
opou to account for those things in the House of
Commons. They most then lay before the peo-
ple their reasons for such approbation as was
given. This also, he would admit, was a fit and
fair subject for inquiry There were not wanting
Gentlemen a hie and willing to ask and endeavour
to (vail' a full account of the grounds on which
such approbation was given. On the legality
or illegality 'of the proceedings adopted by the
rviaj4trates, he declared to God, after all the at-
ent,oo he could give it, he was not yet able to
wake up his mind.--(Off, off !)—He would say,
and cootend„ as forcibly as any man, that it was
the inalienable right of the people to meet for the
pogo-Ise of petitioning awl discussing their griev-
ancts ; -but they were tiler' to meet peaceably.—
The question now was, whether the Meeting at
I\lvchester, on the Itith of August, was peace-
ably, or not peaceably a,sembled. Was it, or
was it not ?—(lt was.)—That was the question
at issue ;—(Disapprobation)—that, he would re-
peat, was the question. The, answer to it de-
Fended ott the attendant circumstatiCel; and they
could not judge impartially on the subject unless
after having heard evidence upon oath.
[lien Mi. S. Wortley was again interrupted,—
tie endeavoured for some moments to obtain a
bearing, but in vain
Mr. WILLA:4, who seemed to have more influ-
ence on a great part of the assemble.d crowd than
any of the Noblemen or Geuilemen present, pre-
sented himself again, and asked, whether there
was any man among them vrho wo,dil not wish to
be heard, when inclined to deliver his sentiments ?
lie believed there was not , and be once more re-
quested, that they would give the Gentleman their
attention.—His appeal, for this time was inef-
fectual.

Some order being now restored,
Mr. S. Woeniee repeated, that the question
was; whether the Meeting had been peaceably
assrmbled.or not. The second Resolio ion stated,
that to disperse by violence, and still inure by
the employment of military (wee, n Meeting, law-
fully assembled, and peaceiably held, was a direct
-violation of law. Tee point at issue was, there-
fore, s hether the 11.1ecting was so assetnbled and
so held. On the determination of that would
stand the jwiification or non justification of the
proce,dings. How were inquiries of such a kind
made in this country ? Were not the accused
breught in,o those hall- before them (pointing
to the Court-house opposite), where grave anti
I arced twit sate to administer justice, to ex-
plait! !lie laws, and to pronoeece judgineet upon
the oaths of witnesses ? He would not take as
evidence the mere assertions on either side on this,
subject. Examination on oath should be made
and the testimony rifted when given in the usual
form. lit spite of numbers, this, he would say,
was the only way for coming at the truth ; the
only way, at least, to his mind. He had no doubt
it would be better than if Parliament was assembled
ten times over. He would not trouble them at any
greater length, but would give his decided nega-
tive to the concluding Resolutions.
Mr. C. WILSON said, that be heard the Reso-
lutions proposed, the arguments offered in sup-
port of them, 'an: the successful refutation of
those arguments by his Worthy Friend.—(Disap-
probation.)--As they did not bear one of the Re-
presentatives of the County, it was not likely that
they would hear him. It was not his object to.
justify the Magistrates of Manchester ; his oppo-
sition to the Resolutions was fOundtpl on the sante
reasons as those stated by his Honoureble Friend,
whom be applaerled for his worthy conduct upon
- the present occasion, as much as be 'approved of
the able address he had-just delieteed.—(The-dit.
app4iation of the crowd was then exhibited in
*'manner that. Mr. W. was obliged to desist )
FAWKRS declared, that when
_he con-
great county of .York under she slit.
iswi that alight be taken of it, its extez,t,
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