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regularity among them. Thiniting thus, be found
it his duty to give the motion his iteartromport.
LordCersrost spoke in
,favour of the motion.
He entered into some financial statement's. but
these, with the other narts of his 'speech, were
wholly Mandible. •
Mr. MARTIN' (of Galwayrotaid, the Hon. Gen-
tlemen on the other side ought to step forward
into the arena and meet the Noble Lord,—
(Laughter.)—The .Gentlemen on the other side
were no doubt candidates for offiee. But as it Was
contended there should be a new Administration,
he now called upon those who supported this 'no-
tion. to give a list of the new Admini•tration
whores they would have, and then the House
teould he able fairly to judge. But if •the Hon.
Gentismen opposite were as patriotic as they pro-
fessed to be (and as they liossihiv were), they
ought to come for Ward and t-.uppert those !mot-
soles which were for the good of the Coun't'y, or
propose those which they thought, were caleiihot d
for that purpose. But it was too touch for than
to have a nostrum which they wool,' not pro-
duce, unless they were rewarded with -
(Laughter.)
Mr. W. I,Vviete thought this a question that
could not be agitated io the present cii•cionstances
of the country. But he though! it ba(l been more
argued with reference to the object of promising
a change in the Administration, than to the great
objects which it involved. A question of this kind
by no means involve',' the fate of the Ministry.
During, the Administration of Lord North two se-
veral Committees had been appointed to consider
the state of the nation, without deciding any
thing as to a change of Ministry, or affect-log their
stability. Almost any ques7ion, even lie most
trifling, might however he made decisive of the
Fate of a Ministry. It was well known that it was
in the debate and decision oit the case of the
Chippenhatii Election that the Ministry of Sir R.
Walpole had lost their p 1 ices. Wnh a view then
to the several subjects which had been mentioned
in this debate—the Finances, the Poor Laws,
and the others, be expressed his opinion decided-
ly that they would be better discussed separately
than hi one Committee. .0n- the whole he op-
posed the motion.
• Lord Joule RusseLL said, that what the Noble
Lord had said of the object of the late. war not
being to lower France, was ill some degree new
to him.. The Noble Lord said, that the ohjeto of
the war was merely to crush revolutionary France ;
but it this was the case it was rather strange that
all those acti denouhced by Mr. Burke had been
now more firmly than ever established in France
As to the internal affairs of the country, one of
the most important
_objects of consideration was
the Poor Laws. The poor were now falling into
a state of, villauage more degrading • than that
which had subsisted centuries ago. Yet the Govern-
ment had not brought forward, or assisted, in any
measure to check the e.vilS of the alarming sys em
which had grown to such a height. If the object
•of his own friends (the Opposition) was power,
they already possessed is—tittl power of the most
gratifyii,g kind, For instance, what could be
more gratifying to -his Noble Ftiend (Lord A.
flemilton), in his motioo relative to the Scotch
Burghs. than • to induce the Home -en agree to it
against the arguments of the Ministry. On the
whole, he gave the motion his hearty support.
Mr-SINCLAIR said, that the,Gendemeo on the
other side of the. House (the Opposition.) chimed
a monopoly of public virtue. Bit it was unfair
and ungenerous to decry all the measures of the
Government solely because they originated with
their rivals in place.
Sir F. BURDETT said, the subject now under
discussion was so vast in, its extent that the eye
conk' hardly take in the whole prospect, and the
judgment scarcely select the most important ob-
jects. In this situation he should he inclined to
address the House in the words which a Roman
Emperor addressed to the Senate—" Quori scri-
bal)" rob's, Patres Conscript', vet (pod non scribam,"
&c.----But if-the subject tia be discussed was, whe-
ther the present Ministry should continue in of-
fice, or be succeeded by those Hon. Gentlemen
who acknowledged as their Leader the Right
Honourable Gentleman whose motion was before
the House, he could only say, that it was a mat-
ter on which be felt very little anxiety. When the
Noble Lord talked ironically of the discipline in-
troduced on his (Sir F. Bordett's) side of the
House, he gave uo bad lesson to his own troops,
who might well be called the Household troops,
or still more appropriate, the Swiss troops. It
would always -be- found that these Swiss trooas •
were very true to their colours„,and that by this st ed-
fastness they repelled all the attacks of the vo-
lunteers who opposed them.. As to
_lreland,
he contended that it was a country which
had been much abused, and much tnismanaged.
'file Irish had erroneously been called a savage
people, whereas lie hart found them the most kind,
the most hospitable, and lie verily believed the
most civilized country on the face of the earth,
not even excepting. France. As to Scotland, an
allusion bad been made towards effecting a re-
form in a very itrtportant part of the political
system of that, country. This • success hail been
hailed as a most favourable omen. For his own
part he was willing to receive it as such—occipio•
omen, felixfaustunique sit. But he feared it would
turn out that the result of the Committee which
had been apnointed would not he so favourable
to the cause of reform as seemed to be expected.
As to tile Poor Laws and the Bank, he slid not
expect that any thing effectual was likely to be
done ; though as to the latter he thought that
cash payments might be safely resumed, and that
the country would note suffer fiann a diminished

circulation.
Alderman HEYGATE spoke very shortly in
favour of the motion.,
Mr. DICKENON. said,, be thought the object of
the 1110tiOil was to Cast a censnt:e on the present
Ministry,,and that such censure was deserved, for
tlAcy had not been able to ,carry oA the public
business with'comfort to the Hok.se or with I acvan-
tage to the country. There wps only one way by
which the affairs of the country could be retrieved,
and that was by appointing a vie and efficient-
Administration. He called upon the House to
recollect, that it was a deficient revenue—a fal-
lacious currency—and a weok Administration,
which bad occasioned the FielaCkl