The Sun.
London, England, 1817-02-08 00:00:00

if
it the
0114 hoar si,les of
ltutte,e Slqould have no
llis port, to hy. any coaces.
'efore,,' Prevent it, He should
by
instal ou the eppointineut of
.ballot, if that Mode . were
I,onex tiintieesssary, and, at this
,pet.ient division of senti-
ulntmllig his motion -to the
e list of names of the per-
propgse
Nienthersof the
'xplain the mode in which
re.should be composed.
ay that it should only
I with either side of
that lie sloittltl. teel
rs 'who 'had not
(Hear, hear,
`e that would
'tielity ; but
'Mena -were
(Ilear,i
wuS,f
than;
'ant'
l)
pt.
•seit,
saere
the Sti
drawing
felt the g,
by the Not.
llti should, ,
it he did not
by the highest
late, but he was
%Viten lie said late•
waited too long 1
01) that matter, for
Highness's ili4positioi,
given- twelve months 131
then pursued the course
suing,•inost of those tlit:coe
mat 10 various pelts 01 the c,
now existing. As to.the recto,
of the principal Officers at the
Lord had apokett in so-low a tout
was doubtful -whether he. had In
headed him. He (Mr.:l'.) had oft,
propii:ty of such no•asures upon the,
It not st range, that with such means c.
popularity and ,tlte- confidence. of the
their hamis, they•shoold have waited
distress, so. that all that should be got ecolli
to have been extorted front them ?. Let the
•of the notional representation tie what it ant,
tprovidett the. House continued, to give such pri
tieal,answers,.to reformers, it need not fear re
form, and it would be didipult to persuade the
people that the snit eof the feprest lot-idiot WAS I
..einTtipt. lie then defeinled his Honourable and is
LearitC(l Friend (Mr. Brougham) for . having
adopted the saitie.emirse as *Mr. Sheridan, in order who
to dcutonstrate the inutility of a ballot. Ile then
defended the Committee of 'lefo7, and contended vince
tc
athitt.two many subjects Were to be referred to the Conirnitt
one HOW proposed to enable it to•clo any eifeetnal ready stet.
It was nal sufficient to have only One mittes 'fos•
tanninittee'; the-re otight to be a Separate Coin- branch' of ti
mittee for each blanch of -the public service. By the investigat,
acceding to the Noble Lord's proposition, tyre Accmding to tit
House %could do no more than draw a cud 11051
be- tnittees stead o
tweet) the cooni ry and the.ixperolittlre. As to the the. Right Hon.'(..,
nomination of the Committee, the:Noble Lord snit!, in office cm:hided;
t hAt the best proof he coal give of. the sincerity of different opinion. 11.
Government in this business donld be, to take an, the celdnitti service, ,
equal uumber,of GeOtlettien front the t uvositles of the as in the. exeminatiotab
t
House.--13iit thin, at the same tinte,,,..the Noble to the finances,
to c
Lord treat'etithe neutrals rather too roughly i for -thren, who being conve
althotigh he did not admit them into his Commit- related to dic stlitiCrt, trust
tot:, yet he seenool to intimate thathe lonely that informatiou,willio,.
wc,re not
, likely to dd tooeb•gitOil. NaWhe t
(Mr.y Tierney), form no cot rect Mid
W(l.(,titl say, that it else neutrals were good for ally defcisionnintite. But
of Ina
u Nthisble P entt,
thiug, it was fdr-"stick a Committee es this.— o the tori
(betighter.) —fie had soinetimes been reproached
,tothe•instroctions to- the Comthitte
with 'being a pally man e hut whatever opinion come before the House; and as there' w
some persona might entertain on this snbject, tehetter Oppottimity for diScussiog;
enuld only say that he gloried in being ii party no more at pre.setit, wtitildh t,
man. Certainly this wit not the cars with tt good very
few words with referenon ce o the'
t
many Members of that House, but there were gtntentents Of the Right ti...Gentlemat
even different parties among the neutrals entleavonr tothe set hitt: tight its one or't wo
,amed
party of whont hail maintained "a sort, of . t !'fasts!'fastw griteioos coMmunicatioss oto
fe
neutrality, which ended in their joining the Bel- Royal High
eennessdelie eh .14tinto tßhce
eg,Heent,use whthroieh
ngl,
ligervitts, and es soon.as they had done so, every T thiS night bvered
one of, theta was put upon the staff.— (tAutr,l,- his Noble Ft lend, the Right Hou. (entleinait had,
t.
ter.)—The (.;entle•siteit on the other side of tile, ade some olFervations svhich, in terms not had
House Seenied tilways to find fault with the elicit-. • biguttits, imptoed blame to leis Majesty's ,Alinisiera Ft,
trals ;
.but those on his. side only tlicl,so• whet'. for ilicir tardiness not is
advising thiS
they fongtit under.false colours, and kept a double measure, and lie seemed to.go - far as to say, , „,
set Of colont's their liold.—'(Lateellter;)—But that it was now so Lite that little good. was to 1.) Dan,
the iptestion wa; notch more serious as to,the ad- expected fro B
th it. ut surely the Right flots.. nntinn
mission of , men in •Offiee, into such It COMMitiVe. Jende atleuttart etian would allow, th
n at
t it cc
Seldss.noton have been 500;000
it,
He %you'll ask if the Neble Lord wits in eernest marler th d Kr
libmit abolition !if: offices, When- he put into it .Were still said that it might leive been done even in, this Coon,
lions 'of Excite,
this Coimnittee the holders -of offices ? Noble before this Session, be' would beg the litiuse •
hue hee„
however, said, that without the assistance consider:the eittratinn in, which his I.toptl
office, l
td
nt
phieed with respect -to his income., increve of .the
ot infice, Committee set to decide upon tiess,had
hen
the necessity. of maintaining or cutting a certain :od wha was considered be wOttla.ask 110%,v the decrease of the
offices, would tatolge set to decide ti much eerlier than the present tittle his ev;-s t
-no. appear that t
cause without .cotitisel or witnesses. In answer to ness wriS enabled tie ascertain or compute what total Debt of the Ulf,
would vvish to have reduction he could Make in his expenditure tor coin: oti
this he would juistsay, that le tre„.otti, not of stock L
as cowl- pared with 11,s revenues. pree!Olit,to the arrant,el
the 33SIStellIC.! Or these Cieutlemen merely
thought it necessary to say ,
of the last year. This
sel or witnesses, but in no other captteity. As ment Made' (luring the last yar, the, Qivil LiSt rittli solid grounds` of linpe
Member of the,Cainunittee, he would wish to have been unable to support itself withoet- the.
true
these Gentlemen heoffice before. him, and not 1!- mice of ad(l,itional 'grants from-1.4' ; there- take oil toly oufavom.Abl,
side ; and If we wet eto have the honour of fore any attempt to give tip any part of it ivtitild greet) of the ilitoit non.
present, as many onpOrtutnithe.
being ais of the Committee, he would have been a mete mockery, twit, Ivpuld he no more would not occupy more of the t
thee be in Any other cortipany.—(llear, hear !)-- than teking sum whielt this house would have at
been afterwards
.tibliged to make tip. Butt when
He defended Lord Petry's Committee in 1806 ; more'into detail, and of lily,
atril'said, if the inesent Committee were comptised duritig the last Session,' Parlieuieut hail liberally, uhp,se expitniations on
of men whoie immediate antlpersottal interests or and; as he thought, wisely, pat the Civil List on a, heat., hear • ,
feelin trl I not even be suspected of a leaning different footing, and heel rmole aritiageetent,
es tOt Mr. OiteNFeLL asked Whether It ital.
Witter an thin like etttrael nor • - • t
on sufficient for thelpurposes of the State, it_ hail done the
towards 'the preSei vation of ally particular.offites, Which, iV y g ge, %tat lit course of the It et
yeartot,
Natinnat Debt 1V (iiilct be paid Off, an
then the •House might expect from it a report
which it might Het (hiring the present Ses§iou ; ,hht that which enah,ed Hoye' Highness in the pre- titer• it was honed that the income would
if the Connnittee were not So composed, it would sent times of difficult y, to take the lend ineitsures , the eepetteitne, ?
be a mockery to expect any substantial good of economy and .relTei.lellttient in his owit..exnene The CkiANCCLLOR of the ExettiOtron- roprK
from its labours, „e any thing that could lead
.to ,liter e, and of liherKluy towards diet more that he cerieinly confidently expected that ton
beneficial arfangenient (hiring the Pie Sent year. tressed• poet of his sithjects, Upon what )feted- sidei%thie vett of our debt would be paidi off dor-
a '
He therefo're hOped that. some Member- would 'tally concerned the members of his. majcsly's GO- 'mg the pvv•••uut veer. He bad atentiontaithe mint
.move, that the second instraction ro tile Cult)- Verwi)etit, lie was intik anxious that the sacrifi*ce paid otf last year, even wile!, thertewas' tletidell-
tnittee its the Noble Lord's Motion-shoo:Id be left which hey meant tontake might not be construed ey in the revenne;With the view of thewinee what
telt,' for the,-pnrpose of subistituttogohat whirl& as in any way athUittitig, a prineiple.as tint; 1V,11) s: i.te be hoped for during this The fol.
rod expect- Lit taXatt p
'on uon office N't hat the had done was w ;
the eiremustantes of the contitry, y inielit be assittrted as to -.what, witidd .ere:
•lc ions of the people required. ilia object was • merely voluntary, Anti he had uo doubt Out th carried to the char.Te of the Unfunde
d Debt for,