The Sun.
London, England, 1845-11-25 00:00:00

NORTHERN LUNATIC ASYLUM:

RAILWAY SH ARE MARKETS.
EDINBURGH, Nov. 21.
STOCK ExciLINGE.-The sales ani---,Abcrdeen, 61. -Aber-
deen, Banff, and Elgin, 2/. 95.-Airdrie and Batligate, 3/. ss.
-Arbroath and Forfar, 251.-Ditto, Half Shares, 15i.-
Armagh and Portrush, 2/. 12s. 6d.-Ayr and Dumfries, 2/.
155.-..kyr and Galloway, 2/. Bs.-Banffshire, 2/. 55.-Bel-
fast and County Down, 31.-British and Irish Union, 3/. 10s.
-Caledonian, 16/.-Caledonian Extension, 31. IN.-Caledo-
nian and Dumbarton, 3/. 55.-Caledonian and Northern
Direct, 3/. Os. 6d.-Cambridge and Lincoln, 4/. 55.-Carn-
warth and West Linton, 11. 165.-Chelmsford and Bury, 11.
12s. 6d.-Clydesdale Junction, 191.-Cornwall and Devon,
2/. 81.-Deeside Railway, 5/. 55.-Direct Northern, 2/. 7s.
6d.-Dublin and Enniskillen, 51.-Dundee and Arbroath, 36/.
-Ditto, New, 171.-Dundee and Perth, 91.-East of Fife,
21. 7s. &J.-East Coast of Scotland, N. 135.-East Lothian
Central, 21. 55.-Edinburgh and Bathgate, 3/. 105.-Edin-
burgh and Glasgow, ex new, 721.-Ditto, Half Shares, 17/.
-Ditto, Quarters, 181.-Ditto, Ditto, New, 13/.-Edinburgh,
Glasgow, and Dumbarton, 1/. ).s.-Edinburgh and Leith
Atmospheric, 2/. 55.-Edinburgh and Leith Atmospheric
Direct, 2/.-Edinburgh, Leith, and Granton, 241.-Ditto,
Preference, 19/.-Edinburgh and Northern, 4/. 11s.-Ditto,
Newport, 1/. 9s. 6d.-Ditto, Lochgelly, 11. 175.-Edinburgh
and Peebles, ex new, 2/. 55.-Edinburgh and Perth, 6/.
2s. 6d.-Edinburgh, Portobello, and Musselburgh, 11. 103.
-Forth and Clyde Junction. 2/. 14s. 6d.-Glasgow and
Ayrshire, 701.-Ditto, New Stock, 231.-Ditto, Quarter
Shares, 21/. 12s. W.-Glasgow and Belfast Union, 21. 10s.-
Glasgow, Dumfries, and Carlisle, 2/. 12s. 6d.-Glasgow and
Dundee Junction, 2/. 95.-Glasgow and Garnkirk, 451.-Glas-
gow and Greenock, 211.-Ditto, New,lo/. 155.-Ditto, Prefer •
once, 21. 55.-Glasgow Harbour Grand Junction, 2/. 10s.-
Glasgow harbour Mineral, 2/. 195.-Glasgow, Strathaven,
and Lesmahagow, Si. 155.-Granton Junction, 2/. 35.-
Great County Down, 3/.-Great North of Scotland, 3/. 6s.
-Great North and South Wales, 12s. 6d.-Inverness and
2/.-Lanark and Lothians, 3/. 75.-Larne and Bal-
lymena, 2/. 25.-London and Hounslow, 2/.-London and
Manchester (Rem.), Si. 55.-London and Manchester (Ras-
trick), 51. 10s.-London and Windsor, IL-London and York,
4/. 155.-Midland and Eastern Counties, 21. 75. 6d.-Moray-
shire, 11.-Newcastle and Berwick, 14/. 10s.-Newry and
Londonderry, 21. 10s.-North British, ex new, 221-Ditto,
Halves, ex new, 71. Is.-Ditto, Fifths, 6/. 55.-Ditto, Car-
lisles, 3/. 35.-North Wales Mineral, New, 5/.-Perth and
Crieff, 2/. 7s. 6d.-Perth and Inverness, 2/.-Scottish Cen-
tral, 15/. 12s. 6d.-Scottish Central and Caledonian Junc-
tion, 2/.-Scottish Midland, V.-Scottish North Western,
2/. 55.-Scottish South Alidland, 2/. 55.-Scottish 'Western,
2/. 10s.-Shrewsbury and Hereford, 1/. 65.-Shrewsbury,
Oswestry, and Chester, 6/. 7s. 6d.-South Midland, 6/. 155.-
Stirling and Dunfermline. 2/. 12s. 6d.-Stirling and Mid-
land, 295. p.-Strathern Junction, 3/. 55.-Surrey Grand
Junction, 1/. 2s. 6d.-Tean and Dove Valley, 2/.-Tyne Val-
ley, 21. 2s -Wishaw and Coltnes,s, 52/. 10S.
GLASGOW, Nov. 21.
STocx EXCIUNGE.-The sales are-Airdrie and Bath-
gate, 675. -Airdrie and Coatbridge, 71-Ayr and Galloway,
475. 6d-British and Irish Union, 705.-Caledonian Exten-
sion, 655.-Caledonian and Ayrshire Junction, 445.-Caledo-
nian and Dumbartonshire Junction, 585.-Chelmsford and
Bury, 305.-Edinburgh and Glasgow, 701.-Ditto, New, 12 p.
-Edindburgh, Glasgow, and Dumbarton, 223.-Edinburgh
and Perth, 6-Forth and Clyde Junction, 48-Glasgow
General Terminus, 101/2-Glasgow and Belfast Union, 505.-
Glasgow, Kilmarnock, and Ardrossan, 414-Glasgow and
Dundee Junction, 60s. 6d.-Great North and South Wales,
155.-Lanark and Lothians, 675. 6d.-Lesmahagow, 705.-
London, Bristol, and South Wales, 375.-Perth and Inver-
ness, 455.-Scottish Central, 154-Scottish Western, 535. 60.
-South Unions and Potteries, 405.-Streathern Junction, 60s.

that supported by the powerful influence of the Midland
Company, with King Hudson at its head. It appeared
that a large portion of the deposits for the intended
Nottingham and Gainsborough were from the inhabit-
ants-of this town, and he felt that if they were repaid,
minus the expenses, a larf.,,e circle of individuals would
be relieved, and trade would be benefitted.
Mr. GEORGE SPARROW seconded the motion.
Mr. E. P. Cox rose and said, that he should oppose
the resolution just read, which was to memorialise the
Board of Directors of the Nottingham and Gains-
borough to abandon their line. On looking around
he saw a number of gentlemen who were shareholders,
and others who would derive a considerable advantage
by this line being abandoned, and would also be the
means of getting up other lines to a premium in which
they were interested. He had paid great attention to
the varions lines projected from this town, and had come
to the conclusion that the Nottingham and Gainsborough
was the most important and hest. He considered it was
better than the Ambergate, Nottingham and Boston, the
Erewash Valley, the Nottingham and Lincoln, or the
Nottingham and Manfield Railway put together, and
they were now called upon to abandon this line, as it
was not conceived to be a legitimate scheme. The de-
posits had been better paid up than any other line in
England. Mr. Taylor talked about two lines being in
progress, one of which was stated to the town to have
been abandoned. He perceived. from the report of the
board of directors, that the Nottingham and Gains-
borough line was in an advanced stage, and would be en-
abled to apply to Parliament with a view of obtaining
it. The allotments in the rival line had not been paid
up, and he was sure the Gainsborough, Newark, and
Nottingham Raigvay was bound to fall to the ground.
It could not be prepared for Parliament, and he believed
the projectors of it had abandoned it. Their wishing to
amalgamate with the Nottingham and Gainsborough
was for the purpose of abandoning their line, and he
was of opinion that the Nottingham and Gainsborough
line was a legitimate one. There were a great number
who had embarked their capital in this line for the pur-
pose of making something by it, but which investment
had unfortunately turned out a bad speculation, but they
must make the best of it by selling out, and let it take
its own course. He would say, if they acted honestly
towards the shareholders, they would recommend that
the board of directors be requested to call a meeting of
the shareholders at large, and present to them a full
report of the position in which they now stand. If that
report was not considered satisfactory to the whole body
of shareholders, or three-fourths of them, then a resolu-
tion may be passed this evening for the directors to
abandon the line, which he should have no objection of
supporting. He had several friends who had embarked
their capital in it (the Nottingham and Gainsborough
Railway), and who were anxious it should be carried.
bet us go to Parliament with a determination of wish-
ing to carry it out. He moved " that a deputation
from this meeting wait on the directors of the Notting-
ham and Gainsborough Railway, for the purpose of
advising them as early as possible to call a meeting of
all the shareholders, for the purpose of placing before
them a full report as they possibly can, as to how they
stand with regard to the Nottingham and Gainsborough
Line."
Mr. W. TAYLOR said he thought the object of the
meeting would be attained by Mr. Cox's amendment, and
therefore he would withdraw his motion.
Mr. Joule HILL, Lenten, seconded Mr. Cox's amend-
ment.

(From the Inverness Courier.)
A meeting of the subscribers to this Institution was
held in the Castle on Friday last., for the purpose of
organising and adopting the necessary measures for
carrying cut that important scheme. Amongst those
present were—the Mackintosh, Raigmore, Culloden,
Ballindalloch, yr.; Sheriff Tytler, Mr. Grant, of Bught ;
Mr. Gollan, of Gollanfield ; Provost Sutherland, Rev.
Mr. Clark, Rev. Mr. Thorburn, Rev. Mr. Fraser, Kirk-
hill ; Mr. Colqiihoun, Mr. Mackenzie, banker ; Mr.
Waterston, ditito ; Dr. Nicol, Dr. Hugh Fraser, Mr.
Forbes, chemist ; Major Macpherson, Drummond ; Mr.
Ross, iierbice Cottage ; Mr. Burnett, Kinchyle ; Bailie
Rose, ; Mr. Mitchell, C.E. ; Mr. A. H. Rennie, mer-
chant ; Mr. D. Fraser, ditto ; air. W. Simpson, ditto ;
Mr. Ferguson, wine merchant ; Mr. C. Stewart, soli-
citor ; Mr. J. Fraser, ditto ; Mr. A. Campbell, ditto.
Sheriff Tytler having been unanimously called to the
chair,
Air. CeLounoux, convener of the Committee, read the
following report of tie, it proceedings :
The increasing prevalence of lunacy through the
county of Inverness, and the obligation upon the local
authorities to confine, at the expense of the parish of
domicile, all persons thus dangerously afflicted, com-
pelled this project as a matter of ordinary prudence, and
apart from all consideration of general philanthropy.
Accordingly, at the annual county meeting of the 30th
April, 1843. the project was submitted to the public. It
was resolved to endeavour to afford the benefit of the
institution to all the northern counties, standing, as they
did, under circumstances of equal necessity ; and a com-
mittee was appointed to solicit subscriptions on this en-
larged and general forting. They commenced their
duties ; but circumstances for some time were adverse ;
and they had the deep misfortune to lose, almost at the
outset of their labours, one of their most influential,
zealous, and valued members, by the sudden death of
Mr. Fraser, ef Newton. Keenly alive to the true be-
nevolence of the undertaking, he was lending it the
liberal assistance of his exaniple.and of his energies up
to the period of I,is death; and that melancholy event
naturally aff cted, for a time, the exertions of those as-
sociated with him in the Committee. Thus the project
remained in temporary abeyance. But it seemed soon
evident that unless active measures were again resorted
to, there could he no reasonable anticipation of a secces-
ful issue. A public meeting of the heritors, magistrates,
and clergy, was called accordingly, upon the 10th day
of December, 1844, and the necessity of an immediate
canvass was admitted, and pressed upon the Acting
Committee. They undertook the task. The funds at
that date amounted to 1,5001., and to-day they stand on
the list as 4,700/. This sum is almost entirely the re-
sult of private contribution; for only one parish, that of
Dornoch, in Sutherland, has entered a subsription, and
only one public bode, the Caledonian Bank of Inverness,
has given a contribution;—the parish of Dornoeh has
taken one share of 211.; the Caledonian Bank has given a
subscription of one hundred guineas. Apart, indeed, from
these two sums, the contributions have been entirely
from the hand of private benevolence. The town and
neighbourhood of Inverness have given most liberally,
and many of the districts of the county with an equal
hand Under very trifling exceptions, the Committee
have, as yet, been prevented from prosecuting their
solicitations throughout the northern counties. Several,
however, of the most influential proprietors of the north
are amongst the contributors ; and this circumstance
warrants the hope that the canvass which is to be imme-
diately commenced may be successful. The Committee,
through two of their number, have applied for subscrip-
tions in Edinburgh, Glasgow, Liverpool, Manchester,
and London, confining, unless in one or two instances,
thtir applicatioe to those connected by birth, or pro-
fession, or trade, with the northern counties. They
regret to say that they failed in many quarters where they
had the best reason to anticipate success ; but, again,
there were instances where the claim of enlarged bene-
volence, apart from local feeling, was willingly admitted.
There were individuals who appeared to consider it a
privilege to have an opportunity of contributing to an
object tending so obviously to alleviate the miseries of
the poor.
" Such, then, is the amount of the realised funds, and
such is the source from which they have been, to a very
considerable degree, derived. The committee have no
hesitation in stating to the subscribers their belief, that
the subscription will be soon considerably augmented.
An important addition may be reasonably anticipated
from the northern counties,. and the result of an influen-
tial communication with India may be looked for with
confidence. In closing this part or the subject, the com-
mittee have to mention, that, whilst in London, they
had the advantage of communicating with the Lord Ad-
vocate upon the proposed scheme—that his Lordship
became himself a subscriber, and that he obtained for
the institution the benefit of the royal patronage. It is
hoped that such royal countenance may be the means of
assisting the subscription in directions where otherwise
it might not have renetrated. In any event, it invests
the undertaking with an additional interest and import-
ance, and guarantees to the public an efficient constitu-
tion and management—requiring as it does that that
constitution shall receive the approval of the high officers
of the Crown.
" The committee have made it their endeavour to ob-
tain the best advice as to the site of the proposed insti-
tution. They have requested the assistance of Dr. Mal-
colm, of Perth, a gentleman eminent in the treatment of
the insane, and whose opinions were matured during an
extensive continental tour amongst similar institutions,
preparatory to the erection of Murray's Asylum, in the
neighbourhood of Perth, with which he has been from
its erection, and still is, intimately connected. He
selected four sites as eligible—one on the pro-
perty of Mr. Baillie, the proprietor of Culduthel ;
another on that of Mr. Mackintosh, of Raigmore ;
a third at the llut of Health, on the estate of
Inshes ; and a fourth on the lands of Charleston, the
property of Mr. Baillie, of Dochfour. With the first
of these proprietors, Mr. Baillie, of Culduthel, the
Committee have been in communication, but the terms
of feu demanded of him are quite impracticable, and
therefore the site upon his property adjoining the
Quarry, and close to the march with the Raigmore lands,
is out of the question. The Committee have also com-
municated with Mr. Mackintosh, but without any result
—that gentleman requiring to know from them the
amount of feu that will be given, and the Committee
naturally enough begging to be informed what is to be
asked, and here the negotiation stands with Mr. Mackin-
tosh. Of course it will be the duty of the subscribers
immediately to open a communication with Mr. Robert-
son of Inshes, and Mr. Baillie of Dochfour, and there-
after to select from those equally eligible sites that which
may be obtained upon the most eligible terms.
" In these circumstances of realised funds and antici-
pated increase, the cout.ty committee have considered
themselves required to delay no longer the commence-
ment of the institution. The necessity for its erection
is every day forcing itself upon their attention. The
number of lunatics confined at the expense of the several
parishes is every day increasing, and the operation of
the New Poor-law Bill must necessarily add to the num-
ber. That Bill directs a course by which reluctant
parishes may be compelled to the humanity of providing
sufficient accommodation for their lunatic poor ; but it
affords no assistance towards securing such accommoda-
tion. The more stringent the obligation upon parishes,
the more important to them should be the erection of a
local and inexpensive institution, such as that proposed.
This is obvious, and will undoubtedly force itself upon
the understanding of all such burdened parishes.
"The Committee, impressed with these important
considerations, submit their proceedings to the general
subscribers, and suggest that, without any delay, the
necessary steps should be taken for the organization of
the Asylum.
" They cannot close the accout of their proceedings
without expressing the obligation under which the insti-
tution is placed to several gentlemen in the south con-
nected with this part of the country. In Glasgow, Mr.
Leith, formerly inspector of the Caledonian Banking
Company, most efficiently resisted the canvass ; and in
London the same beneficial office was with equal libe-
rality discharged by Mr. Macgregor of Cheapstde. To
Mr. Young of The Sun newspaper the cause is eminently
indebted. for the liberality with which he uniformly ad-
mitted the necessary advertisements in a free and pro-
minent access to the columns of his important journal."
This report was ordered to be printed and circulated
amongst the subscribers. A letter from Dr. Malcolm,
of Perth, containing a report as to a site for the institu-
tioiyand the extent of the buildinzs, was then read, and
the meeting adopted resolutions, which will be found in
our advertising columns.

HULL, Nov. 22.
STOCK ExcuANGE.—The sales are—Newcastle and Ber-
wick, 1214—Cambridge and Lincoln, 3%—Derby and Gains-
borough, 1%—Liverpool, Ormskirk, and Preston, 414.

SIIEEFIELD, Nor. 22.
STOCK EXCHANGE.—The sales are—Great North of
England, 1011/,—Caledonian Extension, 3M—Great Grimsby,
Potteries, and Grand Junction, 2% London and Windsor,
17s. 6d.—North British, 24%-_--Wakefield and Harrogate, 2.

Mr. Cox said it was generally known that he was in-
timately acquainted with one of the solicitors of the Not-
tingham and Gainsborough Railway, and through him
he had collected a few facts, which were publicly stated,
as to the terms upon which the amalgamation was
offered. He would relate the terms as near as he pos-
sibly could. The Gainsborough, Newark, and Notting-
ham Company, had expended from 1,2001. to 1,5001., and
they would abandon this line in consideration of the
Nottingham and Gainsborough Railway paying their
expenses. The Board of Directors of the Nottingham
and Gainsborough Railway very properly rejected their
proposition. In the memorial he found the names of
two or three who were not share-holders, and who
had not signed the Parliamentary contract, and
one was a shareholder of the Derby and Grant-
ham line. He could also state that only three of the
Mansfield gentlemen who signed the memorial had
shares allotted to them, and therefore the others might
have considered it as a gambling speculation, in which
they had thought proper to embark. Mr. Cox proceeded
to assert that the Nottingham and Gainsborough line
was the best that had been projected, and that when Mr.
Bateman, the eminent engineer, first learnt that the capi-
tal proposed was 800,0001., he said that it was too small,
and that it ought to have been 900,0001., but now that he
had been over the line (and he was at present in Notting-
ham) he said that the land was so barren that it might
be purchased f0r.,,50 low a price as to reduce the
capital to 700,0001. He (Mr. Cox) must say that
he blamed the Directors for their apathy and want
of energy. When he heard of this meeting to abandon
the line, he was anxious for an amalgamation, and
had hoped that Mr. Danks, Mr. Bradley and other
gentlemen would have pushed on the Nottingham and
Gainsborough line. He was satisfied that it would be
the best line. Hull had increased two-fold within the
last two years, and they were laying out fifteen acres in
making new docks. There could not be a more decisive
proof of the importance of that port, with which the line
they wished to give up would have another line in direct
communication. It was quite clear that this was a far
better route than the other.
After observations from Mr. Felkin and Mr. Wake-
field,
Mr. SHIPMAN observed that the Gainsborough,
Newark, and Nottingham Company said they had no-
thing to beg or propose. He would give them a short
history of No. 2 line. He did not know anything of No.
2 line until he met Mr. Bean, who said, "my plan
(meaning the Gainsborough, Newark, and Nottingham)
has floored yours ;" but Mr. Bean did not see the great
leviathan behind him ; he did not see The great man
called Hudson, and the Midland Company, which
must be with them, cut and run. Their proposition
was, "will you (the Nottingham and Gainshorough) un.•
dertake to pay our expenses, which will be 1,5001., or—
that fatal word or,' about 2,0001., and we will abandon
our line." This is a brief history of No. 2 line, who had
nothing to propose nor anything to offer. They would
like to put their hands in our pockets, and take 2,0001. if
they could catch hold of it.
Mr. WAKEFIELD resumed, and after a few more obser-
vations, concluded by moving the resolution originally
proposed by Mr. Taylor, which was seconded by Mr.
Steegmann ; but that resolution having been withdrawn,
Mr. Cox's amendment became the original resolution.
The CHAIRMAN put the amendment, when nearly the
whole of the meeting voted for it.
On Mr. Cox's resolution being put, only twelve held
up their hands for it.
The following gentleman were afterwards appointed a
Deputation to wait upon the Directors at the next meet-
ing, viz., the Chairman, Messrs. Felkin, Shipman, Stceg-
mann, and BA'.
REPLY OF THE DIRECTORS TO THE DEPUTATION.
In compliance with the arrangement made last night
at the meeting, the gentlemen forming the deputation
waited upon the Directors of the Nottingham and
Gainsborough Railway Company, who received them
courteously, and after deliberation verbally stated that
they had unanimously resolved as follows :—" That the
board will furnish the deputation with a list of the
Shareholders, and act on the decision of a majority
whether to carry on or break it up, if they legally have
power to do so."
A written answer was requested, but in the absence of
their solicitor declined. _ _

YORK, Nor. 22.
STOCK EXCHANGE.—The sales are—Edinburgh and
Glasgow, 6834—York and North Midland Extension, 2314—
Ipswich and Bury. s—Newcastle and Berwick, I 1 ys—Ditto,
Dalkeith, s%—Ditto, New, OA—Ditto, New Carlisle Branch,
SC Ms.—London and York, '4
—Coventry, Nuneaton, Bir-
mingham and Leicester,ll. Bs. 9d.—Great Grimsby, Louth, Sccv
2s. 6d. p.—Leicester and Bedford, 114—Welsh Midland, 2%.

I have received a letter from Mr. Wells, solicitor, since
the meeting last night, stating that the Gainsborough,
Newark, and Nottingham line is not abandoned, nor in-
tended to be, and that everything connected with the
surveys and level.; is going on, that plans may be depo-
sited with the clerk of the peace.

NOTTING HAM MINERAL.
NOTTINGHAM, SATURDAY.—A public meeting of the
acting Committee and Shareholders in the Nottingham
Mineral was held in the Exchange-room, on Thursday
evening last, and was attended by many of the gentlemen
and principal manufacturers in the town, amongst whom
were Messrs. A. Wells, Sewell, S. Parsons, G. Sparrow,
J. Walker, Cowen, Duelos, Nunn, Felkin, W. Taylor,
Plant, Dr. Watts, Cort, Cripps, &c.
Mr. T. HERBERT, mayor, took the chair, and stated
that the object of the project was the establishment of a
mineral line from Nottingham to the coal country at
some miles distant. The Nottingham. Mineral was a
plan fraught with as much importance as a water or a
gas company, and would be found to confer an equal
benefit both upon the Shareholders and the town. From
the lowest computation that had been made, there was
no doubt that coals would be brought to Nottingham at
such a rate as would make them two shillings per ton
cheaper to the consumer, and the profits derived would
be such as would enable the Company to pay 10 per
cent. interest to the Shareholders upon the capital in-
vested ; thus a benefit would be derived by individuals,
and a general benefit would be conferred upon the com-
munity.
Mr. FELKIN. merchant, said they were now on the
eve of laying before Parliament the plans they had
prepared ; and before any great expense was incurred,
it was right tl.ey should show the plans to the various
supporters of the undertaking. The line commenced
at Burton Leys, and passed under a portion of the Fo-
rest Hill by a tunnel. From the crossing at Hyson
Green-road there would be two short branches, one
leading to within a hundred and fifty yards of the Ce-
metry, at New Radford, up which carriages would be
drawn by a stationary engine and a rope—this would
supply New Radford, Old Radford, Old Lenton, and the
neighbourhood of the park and that elevated part of
the town, with coal and other minerals and the other
would pass on the south of, and within a short dis-
tance of the race ground and under Mansfield-road, so
as to allow of the road itself being untouched. They
would go to Parliament with a mile of railway and its
furthermost station already in their posses-ion, having
arranged for its purchase with Messrs. North, Wakefield,
and Company, agreeing to pay them so much per mileage
for whatever coals they would have to take along it to
their present terminus near the canal at Old Radford.
At or near their station at Cinder-hill, they would come
into contact with their line from Mansfield, which, or
some other equally eligible for the purpose of the Mineral
Company. would no doubt be constructed. Thus a
source of supply of other kinds of coal from all the coal
fields up the Leen Valley up to the neighbourhood of
Mansfield, would be opened, and these coals would be
received at Cinder-hill Junction from such railway along
the Mineral railway. In the first place, it was intended
that Nottingham should profit by an increased supply of
coal ; this railway would come across other means
of communication, and thus would draw supplies from
various quarters. They would by this railway be
enabled to obtain coal of all descriptions (which now
they could not do without making a transit of, in some
cases, as much as twenty miles), which could be brought
to Nottingham, and to be delivered by them at a price
per ton of two 140110. WO than is now paid, (01041

One of the most singular and unheard of scenes
perhaps ever witnessed in a Quaker meeting-house, took
place at Baltimore. Shortly atter the hour for meeting to
commence, whilst the brethren and sisters were silently
communing with their own minds, one of the delegates
to the assemblage from Pennsylvania, quietly, and
without being observed, stripped himself, and appear-
ing before them in a perfect state of nudity, insisted
on being allowed to speak. He was immediately seized
by his friends, and the partition to the female side of
the meeting closed, and it required almost main force to
compel him to put on his clothing. He afterwards explained
the matter in the following manner :—He had a dream on
the previous night, and thought that the spirit of the Lord
had appeared before him, and commanded him to humble
himself before the meeting on the next day, by appearing
in their midst with his person exposed, and to address them
in that situation with respect to certain matters,which would
then and there be revealed to him by the Holy Spirit. It
was in the fulfilment of this imaginary command, and whilst
filled with a holy zeal and enthusiasm that he thus acted.
He was finally conveyed home, and appears since to be almost
entirely deranged on the subject of religion. These facts may
be relied on as correct, singularly as they may sound, as they
are well known throughout the city.—American paper.
WARWICK.—SRRIOUS AFFRAY WITEI POACHERS.
On Saturday night last, about ten o'clock, as the gamekeepers
and watchers in the preserves of the Earl of Warwick. were
on the watch in the castle grounds, they heard the
report of a gun in that part called " the Lilacs," when they
immediately hastened to the spot. The first that arrived
was an assistant, named John Miles, who was attacked by
the poachers (of whom three were seen), and very severely
beaten, being left on the ground in a state of insensibility,
when his companions came up. Two of the poachers, one
named John Stanley, and the other William Judd,
were within sight, and in the act of making their es-
cape. They were instantly pursued by two of the keepers,
the former by Harwood and the latter by Mumford, each of
whom succeeded in taking his man. They were secured
in the lock-up, in this town, until Monday morning, when
they were brought before E. Dodd, Esq., the Mayor, and
P. \V. Newsam, Esq. In the evidence against them it was
stated by "young Harwood" (a slim stripling, compared
with the tall and robust prisoner he had taken, Stanley), that
he had found a gun on the spot where he had caught and
apprehended Stanley, which was in a broken state, the
stock and barrel being separated. It was, however, loaded,
as was proved by the fact of the charge (composed of powder,
shot, and wadding), being drawn by Harwood from the
barrel, in presence. of the Magistrates. Miles (who had
been seriously injured about the head and face, appeared as
a witness. The case was one of unusual interest, and the
Court was crowded at the hearing. Both of the prisoners
who had nothing to say in their defence, were cotunaitted for
trial et the aext 561imes. Warwick Acivertistr.

THE SUN, LONDOS, TVESDAY MORNING, NOVEMBER 25, 1845

the price at the mouth of the pit were not lowered one
farthing,. Other details there were which could not be
fully gone into, or be made here the subject of discus-
sion. The public would be protected from monopoly,
and low prices would invariably be secured to them, be-
cause its construction would materially increase the
supplies, and the Company being vendors, and bound
not to pay themselves more than 10 per cent. on their
outlay, the difference in cost would be clear gain to the
consumers. The capital for constructing the line, in-
cluding the branches and all working expenses, would
not be more than 50,0001. or 60,000/. The original
capital of the Company, it was proposed, should consist
of 40,0001.. in 4,000 shares of 101. each.
Mr. WoonuousE, their engineer, had stated that the
engineering would be found to be light compared to what
he anticipated, as those who knew what Nottingham rock
was were aware that they would be enabled to construct
it without difficulty.
Mr. W. TAYOR said, though the plan was feasible and
useful in relation to Nottingham, he felt that unless it
included the large manufacturing suburbs (Radford,
Basford, and Carrington), that it would be incomplete ;
and, therefore, it was now proposed to accommodate,
by branches and depots, those districts. The mere cir-
cumstance that at Cinder-hill was a large supply of coal,
lying more proximate than any other equal supply, re-
quiring less than two miles of rails to bring it to a depOt
from whence it might be cheaply carted to the doors and
furnaces of consumers, and further that, as such line
would, in all probability be intersected by the Mansfield,
Ambergate, or other proposed railway, in the valley of
the Lean, had induced them to terminate the Mineral
Railway at Cinder-Hill.
Mr. H. M. WOOD entered into a lengthened descrip-
tion of the route of the line, its gradients, and the esti-
mated cost of its construction. The plan was looked at
with considerable interest, and appeared to be generary
approved.
In answer to Mr. Felkin, Mr. WOOD said, the reason
the line passed on the Nottingham side of the race-
course was, because it would not then involve the de-
struction of any buildings, and would thus avoid oppo-
sition and expressions of unkind feeling on the part of
those whose property would otherwise be injured. The
line, as delineated cn the plan, does not cut through
any house ; it does not affect a single brick. The
height of the viaduct necessary would be 40 feet ; this
would be so constructed as to pass free of the Alfreton
road. The line would be a single one all the way. He
(Mr. Wood) had discussed the probable expense with
Mr. Woodhouse. and he had agreed with him that the
estimates were within the amount to be required.
Mr. HARRISON, representing Messrs. Barber and
Walker, said they would send their coal to Nottingham
for 2s. per ton less than at the price proposed, if the line
were carried forward to Watnall, and providing the com-
pany would reconsider their plans, and consent to post-
pone the scheme to another session of Parliament, so
that some means might be proposed to bring Messrs.
Barber and Walker's coal to Nottingham.
A lengthened discussion ensued, in which Messrs.
Harrison and Brentnall. agents of Messrs. Barber and
Walker. and Messrs. Cripps, Booth Eddison, George
Parkin, Felkin, Taylor, Plant, Gee, and others took part,
which ended in the meeting being adjourned, to give
Messrs. Barber and Walker, and other coal owners (if
desirous) an opportunity of conferring with the acting
Committee as to the propriety of extending the line to
Watnall or other districts, in the event of other compa-
nies not gaining Parliamentary sanction to those projects
which would render such extension unnecessary.

SPIRIT of the PUBLIC JOURNALS.

FROM THE MORNING PAPERS OF YESTERDAY.

TIMES. —The Washington Union of the 31st of
Dctober publishes a declaration on the subject of the
Oregon territory, which is regarded in the United States
as a precursor of the President's message, and a distinct
intimation of the course which the American Cabinet
are prepared to follow. We shall not, however, deal
with this reckless and injurious production as if it were a
state paper. The pen from which it emanates is evi-
dently alike unconscious of the restraint of public duty
and the decoru u of political life, and Mr. Polk will soon
answer for himself, without being made to share the
disgrace of such anonymous incendiaries as these. We
perceive, however, with satisfaction, that the language
of the most influential journals of New York, Boston,
and Philadelphia continues to be quite as temperate, and
quite as averse to war for so miserable an object, as the
sincerest friends of peace can desire. In spite of the
efforts which have been made in the United States to dis-
seminate and accredit an exaggerated and one-sided view
of the American claims beyond the Rocky Mountains,
the pretensions of the Government are not unanimously
upheld by the convictions of the most enlightened
classes, especially of the Whig party; and the politicians
of New York are not so infatuated as to overlook the
disastrous consequences of a war with Great Britain, for
the purpose of making acquisitions upon the coasts of the
Pacific which must at least be indifferent or injurious to
themselves. They argue that the value of the whole
Oregon territory is infinitesimally small compared with
the interests that would be sacrificed by a war, and that
a question which has admitted of half a century of dis-
cussion cannot be of vital interest to the honour of the
United States. In these views, it is needless to say, we
cordially concur, and we only wish they were as general
as they are sound and sensible. It cannot be too often
repeated that the question has been brought into its pre-
sent embarrassing and threatening condition by the
United States' Government, and not by Great Britain.
It would have been easy for the negotiators aud Minis-
ters of this country at former periods to have put forward
a case for the establishment of the exclusive sovereignty
of England over the whole country, founded on
discovery and occupation, and at least equal to any
claim which American statesman could maintain.
But nothing of the kind has been done by us. Throwing
aside all the superior and earlier grounds of sovereignty
which we might have urged, and disclaiming that very
sovereignty which we might have asserted, we have
taken our stand upon the treaty of 1790, and from first
to last we have demanded and exercised no more than
the right of joint occupancy which that treaty secured
to ourselves in common with the Spaniards. The Ame-
ricans, who have now succeeded by the treaty of 1819
to this right of Spain, endeavour to make more out of it
than Spain herself could ever have made. They seek,
by dint of introducing fresh, irrelevant, and contestable
evidence, to weld an original claim of their own to
exclusive sovereignty over the country upon this
acknowledged right of joint occupancy between Eng-
land and Spain; and the first use they make of this
juggle of rights is to contend for our absolute expulsion
from a country we have held, with one exception, for fifty
years, and which we only seek to continue to hold on the
same terms. Such attempts, especially when they are
encouraged by vehement declarations on the part of the
President of the Republic, amount to a positive inva-
sion of our existing territorial right. Their object is
to deprive us of something we actually possess and have
long possessed ; and thus far the whole character of the
transaction is offensive on the part of the United States,
and defensive on that of England. We can scarcely
regret the extreme moderation of the conduct of former
British Governments in this negotiation (though we hold
it to have been below what the facts of the case would
have justified), when we see the strength it must give
our position in the eyes of the world. If we are driven
Co war itself, the world will comprehend and acknow-
ledge that we are not sacrificing the peace of the globe to
the acquisition of a sterile territory—that we are not
even denying the right of the Americans to form settle-
ments in that territory, since we admit their joint occu-
pancy,—but that we are defending the great and funda-
mental right of occupation by British subjects under the
faith of a treaty and the protection of the Crown ; and
that such a right is in every part of the globe equally
inviolable. The American case is in every, respect the
opposite of our own ; it is a pure aggression ; it ac-
knowledges no concurrent right in its rival; it seeks
only to drive out the men who have held the country
for half a century ; and, as if an arrogant presumption
could supply the place of real confidence, it refuses to
eribmit these claims to the test of arbitration. We are
not much surprised at the pertir.acity with which this
last proposal has been rejected, for a slight degree of
investigation would satisfy any impartial judge that in
the course of the last thirty years the whole question
has been shifted, until it has assumed a shape never
dreamed of in 1814. At Ghent, in that year, and in
the subsequent negotiations of 1818, 1824, and 1826,
the northern boundary of the United States was
considered by the American plenipotentiaries to run
along the 49th degree parallel of latitude. The ques-
tion then pending between Great Britain and the
United States, as is repeatedly stated on both
sides in the course of those transactions, re-
lated to the territory south of that parallel, that is,
between latitude 49 deg. and latitude 42 deg.; the Ame-
ricans claimed the whole of it, the English proposed to
c.ivide it. But as to the northern tract of the same re-
gion, extending from lat. 49 deg. to latitude 50 deg. 40
min., no discussion whatever took place; and until very
recently no one called in question the exclusive right of
Great Britain to that region, to which certainly no
Spanish settlers or navigators laid any claim whatever.
This claim, therefore, extending from the frontier of
Ilexico to that of Russia, and excluding us from the
coast of the Pacific altogether and from the Straits of
Fuca, is a novelty. It was probably originally put for-
ward to facilitate the acquisition of the portion which
the Cabinet of Washington did claim ; but recent pub-
lications have confounded the whole tract together, and
we are now gravely told by the organ of the Ame-
rican Government that Mr. Polk is prepared to declare
in the most unequivocal terms the absolute right of the
United States to the whole Oregon territory down to the
Russian line. It is natural that these exorbitant pretensions
should meet with little encouragement in New England
and New York ; but the moderate party which utterly
railed in preventing the annexation of Texas, will have
still less chance of success in arresting the policy of the
President on this occasion. On the contrary, Texas
herself will immediately send representatives to the
Lower House and to the Senate, who will promote the
cause of the party by which they have been them-
selves absorbed. The rapid and enormous increase
of population to the South and West must warn
any American statesman ambitious of democratic
support that the real elements of power in such
a community are in growth there, and are come
paratively stationary in the older parts of the coun-
try. The New England states will ere long be to
the Union no more than the Welsh counties are
to Great Britain. They are already quite outnum-
bered in the House of Representatives ; and the party
of which they are the nucleus will now be outvoted in
the Senate. To form therefore a correct estimate of
the policy of such a politician as Mr. Polk we must look
not to the reason and experience of her eastern states,
but to the turbulence and numerical strength of the
West. There the country runs no risk of invasion. The
adventurous habits of a new people are ever disposed to
warfare. Even the burden of taxation would fall on
the mercantile class; and in the west there is a vague
presentiment that another generation will cross the
Rooky Mountains, and launch its fleets on the Pacific.
Such motives and tendencies as these a wise and firm
Government would seek only to correct and restrain.
But we question whether Mr. Polk has the intention or
the power to do either one or the other; and we are fully
prepared to learn that he is exciting what he dares not
attempt to control. Meanwhile, it must be assumed from
the language of the American official papers, that the nego-
tiation is virtually at an end—that is to say, not that it
has been violently broken off, but that the proposals
le on both sides have been respectively rejected and
that no
.further proposals are now pending between the
unless the plan of arbitration be re-
two GovernnZuts'
elieve to be the true state of the case.
suined. Such we el'
f our Contemporaries, that Mr.
The assertion of some s?
the question should remain
Pakeaham had proposed than ,q the inhabitants of
in abeyance for twenty years, ant:
political rela-
Oregon should then determine their. owl.!
ise.. we are con-
tions to Great Britain or to the union,
to a
winced, wholly unfounded, for it would am,' ,
disguised surrender of all the rights of the Ilt...lunt_ sor?,!
Bay Company. The probability is, that Congress vr.2l
give notice that the provisional treaty now in force shall
expire in twelve months ; and we shall then discover
whether the American Government is prepared to act
upon the views it professes to entertain. As for our-
selves, the effectual defence of our own positions in the
country and on the Columbia is all we have at present
to provide for ; but if the provisional treaty be termi-
nated by either party, the principle of joint occupation
will cease, and our original rights to the country will
be revived to their full extent.
CHRONICLE.—The most serious and important war
that can rage in the United States, is now that between
Anglo-American and Spaniard, or between Anglo-
American and English, although these two make all the
noise, and attract all attention. The real strife is that
which is carried on the in United States itself, between in-
telligence and humanity on the one hand, physical fotrcee
and slavery on the other. It is the strug&le betwrethenanhd
commercial, and manufacturing, and religious north,
the race of planters which lord it over the south. The
battle was long fought, and is still in some de.gree main-
tained, o
between two aristocraciesn—dth
thee landedrac aristo-
f
manufactures, money, and trade,
()racy in the south. Between these two parties there
existed, and does exist in the United States, a third,
which ought and might have held theh balance between the
two aristocracies, and corrected t e arrogance of both.
This third party is enuine democracy of the
country—the people, the. earners, the moderately rich,
those interested in individual independence and popular
freedom. It would have been much more natural for
this, the real democratic party of the Union, to have
allied with the Whig;, as the American Conservatives
are called, than with the slave-holding aristocracy of the
south. But in America, even more than elsewhere, the
aristocracy of moneyed wealth and intelligence has ex-
cited the jealousy, and thereby the hatred, of the people.
From this cause there has arisen, in the north eastern
states, a democratic party, opposed to the Whigs, and
allied with what we should call the ruffianly politicians
of the south-west. We are sorry to use so hard a word
as " ruffianly ;" but really there is no other so true or so
expressive of the Jacksonian school, as exemplified in
its treatment of Florida and Texas, and of the moneyed
and banking class at home. The political dissenters of
the north, as the democrats of New York may be
called, have allied with the Jacksonians from the
common hatred which both *bear to the monied
aristocracy. But this is merely social hatred on the
part of the democrats, for in interest they cannot help
being bound up with that protective or prohibitive sys-
tem of duties on which depends the prosperity of the
northern states. But the democrats of this region have