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might be that the Directors had judged improperly of the I
conduct of the Noble Lord (Ellenborough)—it might
be that they did not give the Government a sufficient
notice. On the last point, however, they had been given
to understand, that the Government had had full
seven or eight months' notice. Therefore the indiscretion
of the Directors (for so it had been called) wanted one
quality which usually attended indiscretion—rashness.
He repeated, in conclusion, what he had before said,
that if, in the opinion of the Government, it would be
inexpedient to furnish the papers, he would not press for
them. In that case, however, he must be permitted, as
a matter of justice, to say that that House could not
entertain a shadow of suspicion of the propriety of the
conduct of the Directors, till an opportunity was afforded
of placing the whole case before that House and the
country.
The Earl of RIPON said he deeply regretted that he
had been hindered by illness from attending to his duties
when the Noble Marquis was first desirous of putting
his question to him. However, ho was then ready to
state his views as to the production of the papers asked
for, though before doing so he must say that the Noble
Marquis had introduced the matter in a most fair,
candid, and reasonable spirit. And he thought he
had acted much more conveniently by bringing
it forward as he had done, than by submitting a more
formal motion on the subject. He must say, however,
that feeling a deep sense of the duty and responsibility
which attached to him and the Government, Ministers
were unable to consent to the production of the papers.
He believed their production would be the cause of
great injustice to the Noble Lord who had been recalled
—of great embarrassment to the Right Hon. Gentle-
man who was about to proceed there—and would be
most injurious to the best interests of the ser-
vice. Therefore he must, though reluctantly,
decline ; for all the papers ought to be fur-
nished, or none of them ; and to do this at present
would be alike unfair to individuals and injurious to the
service. To produce part of the papers would be ob-
viously unsatisfactory, though it would not be possible
for him to say why, because he should then be
doing incidentally that which he felt it his
duty to decline to do directly. He therefore
declined to produce these papers, and the same
consideration led him to decline entering on the
matters alluded to by his Noble Friend. But he would
take the liberty of saying this, that however he might
regret the step taken by the Board of Directors—or, how-
ever inconsistent he might have thought it with the course
which he considered advisable to take, he was nevertheless
bound to say, and ho did say, that he was entirely con-
vinced that the Court of Directors, in taking the course
they did, were influenced by no other motive than an
honest and sincere conviction on their part that they
were doing what their duty called them to do. In saying
that he did justice to their motives, but expressed no
opinion on their policy, If he was ready to do justice to
them for the motives which had influenced their
course, he hoped he might ask their Lordships
to do justice to him and her Majesty's Government, by
believing that they had been influenced by no other
considerations than these in the course which they had
taken, and which obliged them to refuse their concur-
rence to the step of the Board of Directors. As he could
not consent to the production of the papers he thought it
better not to risk any discussion on the subject by enter-
ing into any of the other topics which had been alluded to
by the Noble Marquis. With respect to the production of
the papers at another time, he thought nothing was more
unwise than to pledge oneself on a subject of that kind,
and he must decline doing so.
Lord BROUGHAM entirely concurred with what
had fallen from the Noble Lord, but he felt bound to
state succinctly his opinion on the course the Govern-
ment had pursued. The Government was charged with
indiscretion. The Noble Duke opposite, the least indis-
creet of human beings, was charged for the first time, he
would venture to say, in the coursenof his long and illus-
trious life, with indiscretion for having pronounced an
opinion on a question, the materials for forming an
opinion on which were not before the House or the
public. In justice to the Noble Duke and the Governor-
General, they should recollect the position in which the
Government was placed. They were called on by the
acts of the Directors to pronounce an opinion, because if
they did not they would have adopted that act as their
own. It was easy for the Board of Directors to say, as he
heard they did say, that they were responsible for the
peace of India, but somebody else would have been re-
sponsible besides the Directors, if the Government had
adopted their policy. Before sitting down, he must re-
mark on the highly satisfactory appointment of the
Gallant Officer who was about to proceed to the govern-
ment of India—an observation most favourable to Lord
Ellenborough arouse out of this appointment, as the
Board of Directors had unanimously concurred in the
appointment of Sir Henry Hardinge. They had se-
lected Sir H. Hardinge for the purpose of censuring the
conduct of his predecessor—of rescinding all he had
done so gloriously—the Court of Directors must say
that they chose Sir H. Hardinge for the purpose of act-
ing diametrically opposite to the purpose, of acting dia-
metrically opposite to the policy of Lord Ellenborough,
or they had chosen the very man who was most certain
to pursue the very same course. Why did he say so ?
Because Sir H. Hardinge was a near connexion of the
Noble Lord—in fact, his brother-in-law—because he
was the bosom friend of that Noble Lord, and because
he was a member of the present Government, which had
disapproved of the recal of Lord Ellenborough.—(Hear,
hear.) It was then clear that it was not from any dis-
approval of the policy of Lord Ellenborough that that
Noble Lord was recalled, but from a more insignificant
and merely personal motive. He was glad, then, that it
had appeared that no condemnation of Lord Ellenbo-
rough's policy was the cause of his removal, as that
would be the most complete preventive of any mis-
chievous consequences resulting to Indian affairs from
that measure.

The Duke of WELLINGTON. hoped, as the Noble
Marquis had adverted to what occurred there on a
former evening, that he might be allowed to say a few
words. In the first place, he begged to observe that,
when he spoke on that occasion, he did not entertain any
intention of interfering with the privileges of the Court
of Directors of the East India Company. If the Noble
Marquis remembered anything of his (the Duke of Wel-
lington's) course in their Lordships' House, and the
other House of Parliament, whenever any question re-
specting Indian affairs was brought forward, he would
acquit him of originating any measure which would be
detrimental to the interests of the East India Company.
When the subject now before the House had been brought
before their Lordships on a former occasion, he (the
Duke of Wellington) thought it his duty to ex-
press his opinions on the subject, and he thought
he had expressed them as moderately as possible.
There could be no doubt respecting the power of the
Directors. He had shown when the power was given—
he had quoted the Act of Parliament. But he stated at
the same time that it was a power which ought to be
exercised with discretion; and he did give his reason for
thinking that the power had not been exercised with
discretion in this case.—(Hear, hear.) He did not think
there was anything offensive in that expression, and
nothing could be further from his thoughts than to say
anythingioig t
that when
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anytheß doubtoa Board
was
thrownof
Directors.
upon Stilltbe
con-
duct t
of an officer holding one of the highest and most
responsible situations under the Crown—and discharging
his duties most meritoriously—(Cheers)—it was the
duty of a person representing her Majesty's Government
in that House to protect the officer at a distance. He
had already stated his opinion, that if Parliament had
thought proper to demand the reasons why the Court of
Directors had adopted that measure, the papers should
be produced, unless there were reasons, as his Noble
Friend stated, for considering that the production of
them would be inconsistent with the public interest.
The Marquis of NORMANBY, in explanation, said
that he had not called for the papers on the very grounds
that ho thought that it might be considered inconvenient
to the public service to produce them.
The Marquis of CLANRICARDE said that the
Noble Duke and the late Governor-General of India
had always been great advocates of the authority of the
Court of Directors—(Hear, hear)—and when the mea-
sure for limiting the powers of that body was proposed
by Lord Grey's Government in 1833, the Noble Duke,
supported by Lord Ellenborough, emphatically resisted
the measure, on the ground that it would give too much
power to fhe Governor-General, and interfere too much
with the authority of the East India Company.—(Hear,
hear.) He would not attempt to-night to discuss the
conduct of Lord Ellenborough in India, but he must
say that a better, or more judicious selection, could not
be made than the appointment of the Gallant Officer
who was to succeed him. But reverting to the subject
of Lord Ellenborough, he begged leave to say that they
were not called upon, on that occasion, to judge the
conduct of that Noble Lord. That was not under their
Lordships' consideration. A high functionary had been
recalled, and a censure had been pronounced by the
organ of the Government on the body which had taken
onitself to make that recaL What Parliament just
now had to do, was, not to judge Lord Ellenborough,
but to consider the conduct of the Government, and
of the Board of Directors of the East India Company.
That the conduct of those Directors had been so indis-
creet he (the Marquis of Clanricarde) very much
doubted. The indiscretion, more probably, attached
elsewhere ; for it was admitted that six or seven months
ago the Directors bad expressed to the Government the
dissatisfaction which they felt. It appeared there was
no hope of the production of the papers during the ses-
sion. Government charged the East India Directors
with having been guilty of great indiscretion, and Par-
liament was bound to know, as speedily as possible, the
proofs which the Government had to bring of this indis-
cretion. These were the only things that Parliament
could judge of until the return of Lord Ellenborough,
for most unjust would it be at present to judge of the
conduct of that Nobleman, who might have been a wise
man as well as a faithful servant (and he was sure he
had been the latter) of that great Company.
The Marquis of NORMANBY, in consequence of
what had fallen from the Noble and Learned Lord
inm members
Prsre of
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si
(Brougham), wished to ask the Noble Lord opposite
(Karl
of
whetherßiptobne)Boardof Control a powernoi w
to releasewas
the Secret Committee from their oath, and to allow:them
to communicate papers—whether in point of fact that
had not been done, and whether in consequence. nu-
oavesttehde
nu-
merous papers relating to G walior and Slade had not
been communicated to the Court of Directors ?
The Earl of RIPON said that none of the instructions
which went through the Secret Committee were sub
mitted to the Directors. With respect to Gwalior all
the early papers were laid before the Court end were
afterwards sent to India. Other documents which pro-
ceeded from the Board of Control were not produced
to the Board of Directors.
Lord COLCHESTER thought that the friends of the
Governor-General ought in justice to him to have pro-
duced to them the reasons why he had been deprived of
his office. It was very well to ask of their Lordships
to suspend their opinion, but was opinion suspended out
of doors ? The organs of public opinion had already
pronounced their judgment, some one way, and some
another ; and he regretted that the Noble Lord the

President of the Board of Control, had not felt it con-
sistent with his duty to produce those papers.
The Earl of WINCHILSEA concurred in the regret
expressed by the Noble Lord who spoke last. He
thought the Board of Directors would, on consideration.
repent the step they had taken. If the policy pursued
by Lord Ellenborough was condemned by the Board of
Directors, would they have concurred in the appoint-
ment of a member of the same party, and of the same
Cabinet, to succeed him ?

Lord CAMPBELL said that nothing could be
more unfortunate than the course pursued by
the Government on this occasion. It was
condemned by all parties. It was condemned by
the supporters of the Government, the personal
friends of the Noble Lord (Lord Ellenborough), and it
was condemned by those who disapproved of their po-
licy. He regretted that the Government had not thought
fit to produce those papers, because the Government al-
ready, in the person of the Noble Duke, had pro-
nounced a heavy censure on the Court of Directors.
As to the appointment of Sir H. Hardinge he could
not concur with the Noble Earl who spoke last, that it
showed the contrition of the Court of Directors. He
thought the Court of Directors were treated very hardly
by the Noble Earl and his Noble and Learned Friend
on the Woolsack, when they spoke of the Court of Di-
rectors as if they were now doing penance in sackcloth
and ashes, and making amends by the appointment of
Sir H. Hardinge. He approved of the appointment of
Sir H. Hardinge, because he did not think he would
follow in the footsteps of Lord Ellenborough—that they
would have no such proclamations from him as they
had had: about the gates of Somnauth. With respect
to the act of indiscretion, as it was called, which the
Court of Directors had committed, he (Lord Campbell)
thought it a most felicitous act of indiscretion. He
would say, with Hamlet—
" Our indiscretions oft-time serve us well

When our deep plots do fail."
Lord NORMANBY inquired if all the dispatches
which had been received relative to the affairs of Sinde
and Gwalior had been communicated to the Court of
Directors ?

Earl RIPON was not sure that he could exactly
answer the question. He thought, with regard to Sinde,
that no papers had been communicated to the Court,
except those which had been laid before the two Houses
of Parliament. With respect to Gwalior, all the papers,
whether of importance or not, which had been received
in the course of last summer, and up to autumn, were,
at the request of the Secret Committee, laid before the
Court.

CHARITABLE BEQUESTS (IRELAND).
The Marquis of NORMANBY said hQ bad a motion
fixed for Thursday next, for a Commission to inquire into
the Board of Charitable Bequests and Donations in
Ireland, and he was happy to learn that a Bill, regarding
the constitution of that Board, was under the considera-
tion of her Majesty's Attorney-General. He would,
therefore, beg to withdraw his notice of motion, as that
Bill would answer all the ends he had iu view.

RAILWAYS.
Earl FITZWILLIAM said that, previous to his
proceeding with the motion which he had on the paper,
for an address to her Majesty, for the appointment of a
Commission on the subject of railways, he wished to
inquire of the Noble Earl whether it was the intention
of the Government to assent to or negative his proposi-
tion. Until he had received an answer on that matter,
he would not trouble their Lordships further.
Earl DALHOUSIE would state in a few words the
reasons why Government did not think it right to accede
at the present moment to the motion of the Noble Earl.
The ground of their so doing was that the whole of this
question had now for some time past been under the
consideration of a Committee of the House of Commons.
At a very early period of the session his Right Hon.
Friend the President of the Board of Trade had brought
the question under the consideration of the House, when
an instruction was moved to the Committee to consider
all modes of providing for the public good with respect
to railways. Three reports had already appeared from
that Committee, and had been laid before Parliament.
Two of those referred to the railways that came before
Parliament this session, and the third took a wider
range, and suggested very important alterations in the
railway system. One of those related to providing car-
riages of a more commodious kind, and having seats in
in them, for third class passengers. The present mode
of keeping those passengers standing for twelve or six-
teen hours in a carriage, while making a journey that
could have been made in seven or eight hours, was very
discreditable to the companies that adopted such a
course, and would be equally discreditable to the Legis-
lature if it permitted the continuance of that abuse.
Care should be taken that there should be no evasion by
the companies of the regulations on this score. Another
recommendation of the Committee was, that it should be
an indispensable condition of railway Bills in future,
that the proprietors should consent, at the end of fifteen
years from the time when the original Bill was passed—
they should submit to the alternative, in case their pro-
fits were above ten per cent , to permit those profits to
be reduced to that amount, but not below it, or allow the
Government the option of purchasing the line for twenty-
five years' visible profits. He mentioned those things
to show that the Committee of the House of Commons
had entered in earnest into the consideration of the
subject.
Earl FITZWILLIAM was glad he had taken the
course he had, but still he thought it doubtful whether,
even after the labours of the Committee had been
brought to a close, such a motion as that which, he had
on the paper would not be necessary. He would, how•
ever, withdraw his motion.

The motion was then withdrawn, and some private
Bills having been forwarded a stage, the House ad-
journed at Half-past Seven o'clock.

HOUSE OF COMMONS, May 7.
The SPEAKER took the Chair at the usual hour.
LEEDS AND BR ADFORD RAILWAY.
On the motion for the further consideration of the
report on the Bill.
Mr. MACKINNON moved that the report be consi-
dered that day six months.
Mr. LASCELLES seconded the motion.
Mr. YORKE supported the Bill. He thought im-
proper methods of influencing the Hon. Members on the
question had been resorted to.
Sir E. COLEBROOKE thought the opposition to the
Bill came at a rather late stage, and that the House was
called upon, under the circumstances, to confirm the de-
cision of the Committee.
Mr. STUART supported the motion.

After a short conversation the House divided, when
there appeared—
For the amendment '
Against it,
Majority for the Bill,
—66
The report was then ordered to lie taken into further
consideration.

After a few observations from Mr. M. Philips, Mr.
S. Wortley, Mr. C. Wood, Lord Howick, and Mr. Greene,
Mr. T. I)UNCOMBE wished to know how the House
could do these parties justice by binding them to the
absurd regulations of the Standing Orders. He thought
the public interest ought to guide these proceedings, and
he would propose, therefore, that the debate be adjourned,
in order to see if the parties could not make out a case
that would induce the House to re-commit the Bill, in
order that the public should have the best line. The
Hon. Member concluded by moving that the debate
should be adjourned.
The SPEAKER then put the question, that the
amendments should be read a second time; and also the
amendment of the Hon. Member for Finsbury, that the
debate be adjourned.
Mr. LAWSON opposed the amendment. He thought
it was their duty to support the Standing Orders of the
House.

Sir GEORGE STRICKLAND thought there was no
practice so bad as that of excluding evidence. The
law now, in accordance with the increased intelligence
of the age, admitted evidence more freely than it
had heretofore been accustomed to do. They were now
arguing a case of the exclusion of evidence before a
Railroad Committee. Were they not, by giving such an
interpretation to their Standing Orders, committing
a great national injustice ? They had the high authority
of their Chairman for saying that the House was in
error in putting such an interpretation upon their Stand-
ing Orders. If this interpretation were the true one,
whenever a railroad was projected, whatever injury
it might inflict on the proprietors, through whose
property it might run, there would be the greatest diffi-
culty in proving that injury. He should support the
amendment.

Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, and the
House divided, when there appeared—
For Mr. Duncombe's amendment
Against it

Majority against the amendment -38
The amendments were then read a second time.

Lord ELIOT gave notice that, on Tuesday next, he
would move for leave to bring in a Bill to regulate turn-
pike trusts in Ireland.
Dr. BOWRING gave notice that he would bring on
his motion on quarantine on that day fortnight. The
Hon. Member also moved for a " Tabular return of the
quantities of wheat,
flour, meal, barley, oats, potatoes,
cattle, sheep, and pigs, imported in each year, ending
the sth day of January, from 1835 to 1844, into the
Isle of Man ; exhibiting also the average price of the
several species of corn by the London Gazette, and the
average duties payable thereon. Tabular return, for the
same years, of the same articles exported from the Isle
of Man."---Agreed to.

Sir R. PEEL brought up copies of the correspondence
which had taken place between the Government and the
Bank of England, which were laid on the table.
The Exchequer Bills (18,407,0001.) Bill was read a
third time and passed.

- COLONEL BONET.
Sir R. PEEL said he would take that opportuilit'l of
alluding to a statement which had been made in that
House (upon which certain questions were pkit to the
Government), to the effect that a Bri_iish officer,
commanding a ship off Alicante, IPA been ap-
plied to by a Spanish officer, C.;olonel Bonet,
who was under great appriznension with re-
gard to the probability of hi 3 immediate execution,
to be taken on board that ship, and that the officer com-
manding the ship, which was called the Scout, Earl re-
fused admission to the vessel to Colonel Bonet. 'l'►h,e
question which was put to her Majesty's Governn., nt
upon this subject was, whether they had given instruc •
tions to tl 'officer commanding the Scout, to refuse
admission, under the circumstances, to Colonel
Bonet, and whether any account had been
recolved by the Admiralty from that officer respecting
the transaction. He (Sir R. Peel) stated at the time
that no such instructions had been given. Since 'the
statement to which he had referred, however, had ap-
peared, Captain Drummond, the officer. in question,
baa forwarded a statement of the whole' trairgattion,
which he (Sir R. Peel) would read to the House.
and he thought it would be a decisive proof as to the po-
licy of their suspending their judgments upon reports
until they became acquainted with the subject. The
letter was dated her Majesty's ship Scout, Gribraltar,

April 20th, 1844, and was addressed to the
Secretary of the Admiralty. Captain Drummond said,
" Sir, I have just read in Galignani's Messenger an artioe
which was taken from the Chronicle, containing a moat
libellous statement against a British vessel of war lying
at Alicante, during the late disturbances ; and as it coo:
eludes by hoping that the question would be mentioned
in the House, I think it right to inform you of the tray
saction that occurred, I being the officer in command
of
that station at the time. On the 13th of Februel
I arrived at Alicante, :and Mr. Wearing, thl
Consul, immediately came on board, and he stated that
Colonel Bonet, the Governor, wished to come to see
I replied that I could not receive any such person,
being in arms. Mr. Waring replied that my refusal
receive Colonet Bonet would greatly exasperl
him, and might endanger the British and
property in Alicante ; upon which I consanr.
to see Colonel Bonet on deck in the presence of La`
officers of the ship. Colonel Bonetthen stated that he
came to offer me any assistance I might require dale!
my stay at Alicante ; and I replied that my h
object in visiting Alicante was to protect Drir
subjects, and British property, and he !"',
quitted the ship and he never came 10°4
side of the ship again during my stay at Alicante, a"
I left on the 6th of March." This was the whole 401
transaction, and it now appeared that instead of Coll
Bonet asking assistance, he, came to offer
Captain Drummond went on to say that he would bbvo
had a most unpleasant duty to perform, but that a
would have been quite prepared to act on his own re
sponsibility, had Colonel Bonet applied to him under W
circumstances which had been stated. al
Lord JOHN RUSSELL was understood to exP„l,:e„.
his satisfaction at the statement which the Right 'JO"'
Gentleman had just read to the House.
Mr. P. BORTHWICK said, that his object in putty
the question to which the Right Hon. Gentleman h
referred was only to elicit information on the subject*

COALS.
In answer to a question from Mr. HUTT, respecting
a return of the amount of coals exported,
SireG. CLERK said there was considerable difficull
in making out the return wished for. Some time 1009
elapse before it could be presented in a satisfactory stain
Lord HOWICK thought the return might be 02,
out in a short time, and if then* was any inconveniel;
in making out the return, he thought the Right 11e
Gentleman himself was to blame. He hoped the retu.li:
would be furnished before the discussion on the rt;
which the Right Hon. Gentleman the Chancellor a W
Exchequer proposed to introduce, took place.
INDIA.
Mr. HUME said that, agreeably to the notice which
he had given, he rose to bring forward his motion re,:
specting what had recently taken place relative t 0
India. Believing, as he did, that the subject ^:f
an important one, he claimed the indulgence the
the House whilst he stated what were his views of
situation in which they were placed by what had late)
occurred relative to that portion of her Mikies.lo
dominions. The Government of India was placed
very anomalous position. They saw an immense ally)
containing about 100,000,000 of inhabitants, subjectetls.
the Government of Britain by means, chiefly of
India Company ; and they saw various large r
important portions of the government of that cone
conducted by the Court of Directors—a body appoill, by
by the proprietors of East India stock, who, he raigo,
say, first created that immense empire. Few were awsos
what had been done of late by the Legislature in referee.
to that Company, and what little power had been left.ti
them. There were two authorities governing Indiavyl-
- power. There was the Board of Coan":,
sioners for managing the affairs of India, who ,
trolled the power of the Directors connected with illw°,4
o
One of the most important duties which devolved of
them was the appointment of the Crovernor-Genersto
India. They appointed whomsoever they approvea,
A question had lately been raised how far they litsousa
power of retaining that officer. It was said that they, P._ea
the power of retaining him in his office, but he bele!„,e
no individual connected with India doubted that
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power of recalling that officer rested with the C.°6o
of Directors. This very power was retained to n 4
in the last charter, as if they had foree7o
and resolved to provide for the circums.„tsnoso
which had just taken place. The Is' nt to
might not be aware mat a hint had been thrown cal los
the Court of Directors in 1833 by Sir CIA
Grant, then President of the Board of C°D,Thst
of taking this power from the Court of Directors. the
was immediately opposed, and the reasons given for be
assumption of the power of recal appeared to him tijr-
perfectly satisfactory. The Chairman and Depot9";l3s,
man, Mr. Banks and Mr. Wigram, stated, in June, •:,,eas,
why the power which they had should be continued to P'
There was another communication of the same date'
Mr. Tucker, who observed that he was willing to her,
that Ministers would render the Court useful ; WU/
could not say how that was to be done, when the e'liris
responsibility rested with the Court of Directors, aro
had been taken away from the Government. toy
authority had been continued to the Directors, and kati
had now exercised it, and he felt no doubt that It rs
been exercised wisely ; although he had not the paPeog,
before him.—(Hear, and laughter.) He might be wrnoa
but still he thought, from all he bad heard, that to
Directors had acted rightly. It was important that
Court of Directors should stand well in thepublic opitu„;(1
and the Government of India, and it was on that gruiTes
that he asked for the papers with respect to the &sett,s
that had taken place between the Government an' of
East India Company. It could not be a questionto
ordinary occurrence that induced twenty-three men eci
recal Lord Ellenborough. This could not be constrills,
into a political question; the large majority of the
and
rectors were in favour of the present Governraeol, ost
there must, therefore, have been reasons of the latTbei
importance to warrant the Directors in the course:oll
had adopted ; it, therefore, behoved all parties that
information should be given on the subject. julotir
from what fell from two Directors on a former ocensbe
that it was their wish that full information shouldlis
given on the subject, he had come forward to efie.,l 001
information he was now asking for ? Why did he "2, in
Because a most important Minister of the Crow bad
another place censured the Court of Directors. ''''hy.oseat
passed upon them a censure so severe, that he be",
no parallel could be found for it. It was, theref°lcriglit
importance to know whether the Government were fie
in the censure they had passed, or the Directors gas
correct in the course they had pursued, and nothiu:ng, for
better calculated to solve that question than InorZi
to
the correspondence.—(Hear, hear.) Now, he wanted
know what the resolutions were that had been pallier- se
the Court of Directors, in order to judge, Sit' bee!
many months' consideration, why they had eel
induced to remove the Noble Lord. In the the
of the Noble Duke in another place, he charg
Court of Directors no less that six times with indlsahi,e
Was it possible to suppose that the Duke Wall',,
t goo°
discreet enough to make such a statement uithon,_efose
grounds? He must have had the documents
him, and yet he six times charged the Court of J"_tibe
tors with gross indiscretion. After a Minister It
Crown had made these charges against the Direet,..orlo6l
was absolutely necessary that the papers should vh`i
ba
before the House, in order that the matter niigof the
cleared up. He would not allude to any portion, been
conduct of Lord Ellenborough, except to what had Os
alluded to by the Noble Duke on that occasW'rpor,
had stated it was indiscreet to remove the Gelse ans
General while Sinde was disturbed and unsettleirel
immediately after his recent successes in Gwalifnie bad
the documents he had seen on those subjects tot °,
come to a conclusion diametrically opposed Whefir:/
the Noble Duke.—(A laugh, and cries of "gear'uis oWns
No doubt the Right Hon. Baronet opposite had PA, si)
opinions upon the subject ; he was acquainted l'il"rsot
the documents ; but he trusted that he would Px;rei§
him (Mr. Hume) not only to entertain but to et
if of
his opinions also.—(Hear, hear.) Believing the.,lo °
explanation were not given, the character, not o't solso,
the Board of Directors, but of the Governrnetud eosan
would suffer, and that serious consequences wou'he to°;
in India, he appealed to the House to support t
mute
tion. All important orders sent to India are slL,boitten
to the Board of Control, and to the Secret C°lB
of the Court of Directors. He did not ask for t wet
respondence between the Government sad the
.ce
Committee, but he did ask for the corresponds:oo
tween the Government and Court of Directors geooessal
and the production of that correspondence was, n vihic4
to free the Court of Directors from the asper_si°l2.oooo24
had been cast upon them, and to free the L.Toi.e- COwoi
from the charge 'of having acted unjustly to t'e
uld re'
of Directors, in support of his motion eNo 0 p
to the Noble Duke himself when asked if be
pared to bring such information before the of
would enable them to judge of the indiseretionosn°
Court of Directors; the Duke had said that be
buy
prepared to say what papers would be pr°°ll6oo t'
that Parliament was entitled to all the inforraati en
to
could be afforded. All he asked for was i11,,„-titlecis to
the British and the Indian public were afike,-essariate
the production of those papers Which were 11-", i of ",t
bring the conduct of the Beard of Control aS-0,
Board of Directors before Parliament. The on nCle°Ce
;,
her concluded by moving for copies of all carrel); Co;
between the Court of Directors of the East An tivg of
pany and her Majesty's Government, resPteeers'
recal of Lord Ellenborough, the Governor'''. iciest
India. d49erthe

Sir R. PE
opposition EL—Sir, I rise to offer my ra°' 'PI
Hon. Gentleman
the motion of the Hon. Goatlentalliboriti
0. p anm i
oa
hp between a l shou should
eb e
twom
„1)7, states that this House is the ell diger
to which
ence, of.
co,aritr
, y invested with the Government f fig". 01°
o ~0
'.3e true that this House is the court of epee" h ease's'
we are called on to exercise our judgment in ellf-„ per
lam confident adchei eifnacuatsheorlii
,t4a hlarc
that the House will not proceee "" the
form
coni those duties and to pronounce an opinion °roe lOf
c uct of my Noble Friend the Governor-Gene to
r Governor-, $
elndia.t in his absence. Those considerations 01.1--
oppose
whoqui v which induced the Right Hon. Gentletaan,e,,Ppl" con-
. had given notice of a motion on a matter whico -„-hiect
sidered o ' notice
t the utmost im 0 the S'""
portance—l mean o eon
of the recent transactions in Gwalior—those We- • bt
cruse Lord
siderationsof ' equity and justice which induced t-,,, I,ora
Hon. Gentleman to postpone his motion, heeeils-idera"
Elk aborough had been recalled ; those same collsoilig
tier' psonol coy
•,,,, I say, must prevent the House from
any judgment in the absence of my Noble Frieen, to
,mi, I doubt whether, if the Hon. Gentleman si't,°sit,
obtain the papers, his object would be gained. hut,
that is not the ground upon which I offer ms Ogle
to the motion of my Hon. Friend. The sieg'en.:- is
e
which I
think
ought to be considered in this d the
what is most conducive to the interests of India, a° that
maintenance of British power in that country. aT3Yerwed
consideration, and upon that alone, was je"°- rso-
when we came to our decision.—(Hear,hear.) All pedal
nal considerations were entirely suspended. Ido nes pnt
the right of the lion. Gentleman to-exercise hijudg 1 e?-ti_
with respect to the affairs of Gvvalior. lirhen in •
mated a doubt
as to the position which he assumed al
. t
arose fro ~ e
,
the course of his observations, my doubm 011.
the DF .
circumstance,V that the Hon. Gentleman said,
~
of 1 '
elfington entertains opinions favourable toi, the