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The vital importance of the subject debated on
I,lq iu the 110113 e of Commons, and the
culArged view of it exhibited in the Speech of
Peet::.,, induce us to give a more ample ac-
count of it than, under the pressure of others
matter, we
,were able. to adtuit on Saturday, last.-
The, Honourable ,Gentieman began by observing, that
he troubled the House at all times witb.great reluctance.;
but upon the present ()evasion it was more than doubled
because he was welt aware that the House would be
illldis-
posed to listen to him, after the able speech just delivered by
his Noble Friend • an invincible sense of public duty com-
pelled him, however presumptuous it might appear, to over-
come his unwillingness, and thamgage in a most unequal
contest.
,Nothing ,waliporo. injurious to the discovery and
to the progress.of truth titan a fear to engage against sn,iel
rior abilities. It was not is little serpriting,. that those Who
had advocated the rause of the Catholics had not yet develop-
ed the plan they intended to pursue if the motion were
carried. The House was desired to go into-a Conssnittee:---to
do what ? That satisfactory arrangements might he made;
that some,yet undiscovered scheme might he proposed that
would produce universal harmony and happiness... Haw pro-
bable it was that such would be the agreeable result of the
discussion, the House would he tolerably well able to judge
from this backwardness to impart even a sketch of the plan
proposed. The advocates of the Catholic Claims had, indeed,
shown no great readiness to come to the debate.. On the
26th May, 1816, the House was invited to give a pledge ,that
at an early period of the present Session it would take the
subject into consideration ; yet the 9th of May, 1817, bad
arrived before any call was made for the redeeming Of that
pledge. During the interval the question had been involved
in greater embarratsnients than those by which it was
before surrounded; and yet in the midst. of these difficulties
Parliament was required to do almost it knew. not whatt it
knew not how. It was !enterer clear, that the 'great object
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was the communication of civil privileges, for which, it
seemed, certain securities were required; such was the pun
pose of the Dili formerly introduced; and the securities
mentioned in it were principally a an assarance of the
loyalty'and pene,atite behaviour" of the Roman Catholics,
and a precautionary provison that the correspondence be-
tween them and theser of Rome should be stsbniitted to a- cer-
tain examination. The Noble Leta. Who spoke last still held
that such securities werssindispensable ; but if he had observ-
ed the universal and theSineere feeling entertained in Ireland
with respect to the religious. enaetioeuts of that bilt,.conld
he tot a moment believe it possible, that the renewal of such,
a measure,. wlth suchtafegnards, would give aatisact ion, and
would produce hatmooy ? lf, howevcr,,his Noble. Ftiestdalid so
think, to his oliinioishu, (Mr. would, oppuse the authority
of the Rotemolhiattelie In-dates theootelvoospreated in outs-
quivocal Orros as the larsgoage possessed. What did they state
over and over again dosing the progress of that Did
they not assert -that they could and 'would lint suhinit tolls
provisions; they wont(' allow of no interference with the ap-
pointment of their bishops ? But, with regard to the second
security, without WhICIS also his Noble Friend would nut con-
cede, vin. the examination of the intercourse between the
Roman Catholics of Irelan4 nod the.. See of [tome, be was
willing to infer that the consent of the Pope would be given.
On-what evidence did -he: infer it? • What deeumelits led to
this-persuasion ? Out the contrary, bad nut Cardinal Litta
expressly stat: d,. that that question cannot be made even
a subject of neg eiation." In.going into the. Committee.
therefore, the purpose must be either to enact securities which
the Roma Catholics state to be incompatible with their te-
nets, or to cahrass souse new and hitherto unheard-elscheme.
He (Mr. P.) required to be informed what that scheme was ?
—Mews bear admitted most readily, that it would in-
deed he desirable to set this question for ever at rest; but
before the Hunts consented to go into the Committee, it
ought to know if there were the "least probability that by so
doing it would arrive at a final and satisfactory conclusion:
would any, thing be aceom,:lisited to give security to the
Empire' or tranquillity to Ireland? The only plan hitherto
even alluded to had been mentioned by an Hon. Gentleman
who spoke early in the debate; and it was, that the power of
ordination should be put in cohnhissima; that it should he
intrusted to the four Irish Art:lo4o9p'; and that the ript•ra-
tion of the'bill-should be contingent ripon-thectinsentCf the
Pope to its provisions. This indeed was anew and an unheard-
of scheme: it was nothing less than the itstroduction into
the realm of a fourth estate. King, Lords, and Commons,
might make an Act of Parliament, but it could nut he chi--
ried into effect without the consent and approbation of
the Pope--without the intetpesition' of a power whose 'in-
terference in ordinary cases would repudiate and annul the
procceding.---(Contirmed cheer it'were just and politic
to grant the privileges required, in the name of , Heaven let
them' he conceded; but let it'not be dependent upon the will
and pleasure of-the Pope. Such being the case, it appeared
to him that all parties roust unite in the conclusion, that, as
at. Presen- informed, it did not seem even pit4Sible that the
Committee should arrive at arty safe and tatisfactury conclu-
siOn. It was true, ' hat one Offer had beenanade by
nourable Baronet (Sir J. C. Hippisley,) but perhaps not with
tire necessary ffistinctuess, recollectirig the differences and
misonderstandities that arose on. a former. occasion. The
HOnsturable Baronet recommended what he called domestic
rumination; but surely the HoUse avotild•be aware, that thls.
was not any new security; or supposing it were, he (Mr.
Peel) Was 'yet to learn whether it bed •lrceti proposed with
the concurrence of the Pope. In It la, the Romeo Catholic
Clergy deelared, that without the crime of schism they could
not trench upon the authority of the see of Rome; and was
not doniestic nominationa most material interference with the
power of the Pope? it was a Protestant difnifiutiiin of Isis
influence, and the Catholic Priesthood could not consent to'
it without being guilty of a high offence. What' hope-then
was there, that any happy result could he attained I Was any
person empowered to state that he was commissioned by the
Pope itt concede domestic nomioation ?—(Hear ! from. Sir J.
C. Ilippitley.)—lf he were so commissioned, it was singular
that the Honourable Baronet had trot stated it in the ConrSe
of his Speech. The House would observe, that the only piece
of documentaryeddence upon the qarition was -procured by'
a letter ffproat..person'Of the Mune of tiayea. dated 29th Sept.,
1815, in wliich fie inquired of Cardinal Litta whether the Pope
would consent that the Clergy-and Bishops jointly slittuldasts'
initiate, arid the reply was in these words,
.44 Finally, as tu
what is annexed to your letter. touching What is called &mei-
tic nomination,. I du not perfectly smile:stood what tile ternis
ntvan : an explanation will therefore he necessary befell!' I
can give a reply." Did this .warrant, inherence that the
',1% pout would meet with no ohiection from the see of Rome.
•it was. with thedeepest regret, therefore,. be felt eouip,ited to
avow „„eietinn, that no satisfactory conclusion could be',
'united at. Perhaps he had originally adopted • his opinions-
without much examination :an his first entrance into politicol
life he might think, that the pretomption. wits in favour ofthe
established order of things; but all his experience, all the
nioani he had enjoyed of knowledge, had confirmed bunt in
though, hail be foiled neason to change then:,
i
6 s:t
littiad. have -posseett, sufficient. maolitiesw
trirlatir,t :',e1:14 t 3
ect'il hitlmisellail 1
ttiratitin. It seemed truly necessary ter ask what
would be the opetatlon of The.* Coneetiititte; iii a-ct nrrtry si-•
tnated like Ireland, admittiou that the Catlielics were only
actuated by the sante motives at the restaif. their apeeies,
seeayed by the saute paSSIUII3, and uslcti by` the same auilsi•

tion? The question wag ahnply this-.-whetber it Were et pedictit
to depart from the ,tisterti of laws ae'preaeitt ..established
fur Ireland? . It was clear, that :the Hoetie 'eould not lemi
into the Committee to remove atiorealiet, such as that
Oahe might be a (Monet but not a General, or that he alight
be it mai/trate in Ireland but Out iu Englamal. 'Phe tirst
clause of the bill of 180 being thrown omit, it would not be
forgotten that the Right Hon. Supporter of it bad rejeetcd
the remainder, avast-nig it unworthy of the Protestamitste
give and of the Catholics to receive : be would only take it
in its wholeness without the least abridgment; but in that
state lie was quite ready to accept. it. Therefume the questitut
now was, net -whether a remedy shinild be applied to certain
inconsistencies, but whether it was tit to adopt for Irelatitta
perfectly New system, abandoning the measure of 179.1, which
established an equality of privileges ? • Oil this lruint no opt-
imion.could be formed without a reference to the peculiar cir-
cumstances of that country. It might be said, es indeed it,
had been urged, that is Hungary or in Canada the plan of
equality had succeeded. One Gentleman, indeed, bail re-
ferred to the Department of .the Gironde; as a f.mrther
(ration of the principle , but because it had out failed whet°
.the Cetholle .was time established re14,40r, and where the
Protestants farmed but a small inininity, it aid nut fellow
that it would be successful, in Irelamt There therereal mass
of the populatiori was not of the religion faiamdrea by the
State, and fur those we were to legbalatc. The House of cuurse
knew, that there was a time Ml6* Ireland hat a sr ;wrote ex-
istence, amid when the Catholic was the established religion: it
hada separate legislature anda dish i act gaverianent ; ail winds ~
not 00 years ago, wercaloia: away, bye sideman compacil,
liatlend was inseparably united .to Great Britaitm; nod then
the Protestant religion became that of the esta blishmemit, and
that religion by au inviolable compact seams made the relieiois
of the empire. It was inipossible to legislate de nom;' uuti
however he might lament the misrule that had prevailed with
regard to Ii eland, amid which had led' to some disast taus eon-
sequescri, it did not follow that the Present was the tit re-
medy to be applied.- Could it be prised that it west:Alia:6l.4 -
to cure the disease ? Various systems might, in the commences,
moa, have been pursued : one head been adopted, via. that of
making the Protestant religian that of the establishment: mill
the purpose sow was to-cmaniunicate equality of pririleges tea
the followers.both of the Protestant and Catholic faith, Ho
could not 'concur that any benefit would result (tont the ala
tcration ; on the contrary, he was persuaded that the present
state of thing's was better calculated to promote tranquiltit,
and to encourage happiness, aria for that reasou he vuteit
against time motion !wore the Howse. The suppuriers of it
maintained, that time old system
.0,6,1 nut but produce dis-
orders. Jicr contended, that the may project would double
the' prevailing. discuutente,—tHeur, .hear !)—The rltve:tki
of the Catholic claims insisted; that having granted the elee
tirefratiehise, -it Was absurd not to mimic the rep; estiola.
tire privilege : but Mr. Ileac drew a Well-fmmunded distinetlait
between the one and the other: lie said, that, acci,reing• to
the llritish Constitution, a franehise belonged to a maim 44
subject; but that an attics hums Oat of a representative upper»
tained to him as a.member of tlil State. It was also to
be üb-
served, that time elective franchise in Ireland teas taken itvimy
by. what is called a penal law; and out by the Itevolutioo of
1,688; and though it nmight ,be politic to allow the elec-
tive franchise, it might be must impolltic• to concede the
tepresentative privilege. Suppatiog, I,owever, that time
ten recommended were given to 1 reiaial, it was
fairly by the executive branch of Lieu' la.aistat are, to trust sa
much to the caprice or ;instates of the. Lord Lieutenant.
Irelami there were two hierai-c4,ies, l'athouie nod 'Prot e,t out
'and it,' was. known that the clergy of the harmer eikt,:i•l '
Cplll.ll.llatldllllloVl/LC ever the great runes 411 time people. /if.
the Bill of 1813.C:tail it was fair to are 1C that the mit v.tea,•:,
store troaln be very differciol it.wimuld he ht,i.:ll that,
thing Was dune for the beovtit of the clergy, mast bora teat
pnlitieal priYileges were to. he given to the aristocracy what.
theft weals; be the Inevitable consequence ? ,Wunia not. tfitti
Hoitse, if it agreed to this measure, be imperiously requited'
to impose suing restrictions alma those wbo dictated the (ma.l"
ohms of the great proportion of the poputatiun ot
(Hear, bear !)—This seemed to prove deursitely that that
proaimSed innovation' would not Semi at all to better the cult,:
Olen of the.lowee orders or to render them less
tented. He ilia not fur a aunneta impute to time aristoa•
cracy of Ireland, calmer disloyalty or disaffection; lisp If
they Were. sincere professors of the Roman Catholic faiths
if they possessed the feelings and passions that actuated'
other men, they must be naturally desirous to see that relic
glop re-eitAltlishe.tl in the empire, It womtla be recollected.
also that the refornmatiim in Ireland was. not reduced as in'
England, by the growing butt eml of the people to the ertilices.
and machinations of the Priests; and this circumstance
formed. un reason for refusing the boom) now 4c..
mantled. It was no answer to these objections tam reply, t
only a few Catholics would have feats in Parliament, and that -
their rfforts,on that account need not be dreaded. Let them '
he ;titivated if itavere just mud politic, bet riot becatmett their
influence would be trifting or insignifictiat-(11ear; beartj.--a
It was contended on the other • side, that the
was siecestary for the purpose' of -removing anintialies; but if
a Bill like that of 1913 were paw'', time incunsistencies and
auumalics would, be rendered mere tonaerous, instead of twill
diminished. He denied the assertion contaitted in the Ilia corm

I 1813; that it was possible to communicate to Catholics this •
f sante interest in ;maintaining the Constitution;. nature Lo- ,
! bade it ; they must always have,a di;itinct int erest„ direct ly i.p-
-• posed to the ' Protestant religion inviclahly i,talili licit
at the Revolution.. Thu oath which Catholics wvre to tulle
• on entering the House, denying the interference of the
Pope, it tutu been truly observed, was More like 4
Bill of Indictment against them fur their previous conduct, -
or a sort of confeision of early climes: if it Were fit that they
should he admittet at all within the walls, how could it ho
shown that such an, oath ought to be administered? ,The ,
principle of the Bill'wasrehgions and politlial equality; yet in..
carrying,this principle , into effect, it excluded Ciaolies front
the offices of Lord Lieutenant and Lord Chancellor; so that
the measnre directly contradicted the principle on %%Inch it
was founded. ' Thus the prime ple being aliandoned, it cone
merely to u question ef degree, whether Cath-lics should hu
excluded from two or from twenty offices? The advocates bit
the JlleaSile supported it, because they said that this mortify.
ing exclusion Linn office was ts clods' round the necks of the
Litholici, and while a link of it. remit that it would still
he galling. But what did they, du in their bill? linitead
of renioviog this chain entirely, they only took away a wail,
her of its links; still leaving a part of it, (the two
otticii tie `haul named,) us a remnant anti token of their
sabjectiun.--(Meier, hear, hearli—lt might even he ark:twig
that this exclusion from two of the hiehnt situatiihis of the
State, was even inure invidious than the c••.etution front all ;
and where then would be the linrmohy and confidence su aox-
Musty desires! by all parties? The same objection of anomaly
applied to the prevision, that the servants of the Crown might
be Catholics, hut that. the throne itstilcoulii only he filled by
a Protestant Savers:4:n. It seemed even mote rational tie
tender the throne ;citable by ,"Cat hulk, than to place them
in situations of gush high trust, to nonse the influence they
Must unavoidably enjoy. One ailz_innent, not hitherto ttO"
veiled to, appealed extremely steno; ; Ellg'l4llll,d Peotestito,t
State, WailliMly united to !svelte: of; where thu Presbyterian
persuasion wits the religion of the cgootry, could it he ritotcn
that happines had not been Prothoted by the uniett, not ktith'
stand rug this diseorstuice; acid what, da3 to iultrivie. wilt
the ~inltle liarmooy het wetot Piototants anti (Atliulics I lie
epologiriql to the liou4e for detaining it at'so !Hoch length 0
but betoce.he resumed his seal, he elal'elifi d ;tines Who were
dispo,,cd to favour the- minion to pills,: Isefore they took the
first tep timord, ,o,ll`en tilterhiioo ie relic:4l:lnd importer'.
It was reniarked Pep Hume, that when. the spiriu'of religion
united wit h the tit of, parry, it produced effeAti less cot,
respoudi tit to th. le known cati,,es tisuri were, to be no-
ticed under :itiv other cirs3tlnst4in;c;',` 11,1,-, hitch \''',, s'i
observale in me t,:ig.of, of Junois and lii successor; while
it' constituted an apology for such statesmen as had adopted is
particular line of conduct, from w.nelt the 'happy Clinic 41.1elleed
tlivy had reasonahly expeclrd did not result, at the s:Illie timed
cast it arieronq respoombility upon t bore; who, pi., gidit)l4,,,„i
a long sstiled (unit of government, under which, by the lilt s.
sing of tiod, internal happitiess and external glory were en.
joyed, Were disposed to intertere 1014 to dilate i/EloViition4 )4
m overs of such difficulty and delicacy as those where relo;:i,,n
i.tud pulley arra involved.. The .prelompti„4, was, the,,fiewi
ag,,i,,,t c,vEry.projected alteration, and oi (avow' of the r4lll.
litiketi. order of tttiiies, , which he earnestly hoped the !louse
Wuoldpfeieek, U, SYtirked 'by the visiunuy tchei.ueit ul, flow
ri deal puliticians,