The Sun.
London, England, 1845-04-19 00:00:00

snout. of a series of me:Hit:es by %slly!. the two
ev(it'h heartfelt
r'sliT"."'"'"'""'"—'-**."..".""'-"...".."'"..re is, as the Right Hon- ]baronet stated, it
be b iiind together.— (Chic, ) sir, 1 have heard with
op.
pleasure the declaration made by the Right Hen%
posite, that he was guilty ot errtir.—(Cheers, ". a
I for the sale
said by a Catholic ieacher, it is worth while
to
received
wish to reni;na the Right Roil. Gentle.ma that
ll will b•-
of repentance. Sir, I must say that this Bt.
f the people
with the greatest welcorrie by the crest boy
objectionof direct
Ireland. It has been said that there is some a
measure because it has been brought forward r Ito this
is meet in
reference to the Sovereign, Ido not think it
House to refer to the present feelings of the St. ;r:l5 any
(Cheers.) But it is legitimate on my part to say.
t,ll.L'e"t aft
urtrinieesn.sc*Pill'
policy bleb her Majesty's Government may d
events, cannot help recognising, so far as her 1
we,,etna of
Nab.ocpsittyh,
cs
obnebit•ni._
tutional influence is exe:cised, her regard for the 12e°
3' to
her Irish subjects. Sir, we have heard, and lampl a
I)rointment
rileefaetriotno
atth esocceeinugrreAnicre.,
Oth,actohnenrelAl lianjehsitsymeuxrpssald heefrring,;,,,,
and her Majesty instructed Earl de Grey, on his appe over of
to the Lord-Lieutenancy of Ireland, to exert allitehern
Isis office to conciliate the people of Ireland.-0- . of mY ,
I was then, and I am now, convinced that the hapfhilenre
hears.
country is one of the objects warest and dearest to
(Cheeing with joy. She will see there her own beauties
ere net
rs. ) She will go to Ireland with her count e.naLieleiebreos:l;
benevolence reflected in every face.—(Cheers.)
or she pill
if she go surrounded with the pomp of the Court, to
have Justice, and Mrrcy, ar.d Hope to wait o
(Cheers. ) And if the brother of her father wilaPsasav
with enthusiasm—a just enthusiasm,
English sovereign who set his foot in the spirit
.1n good
Ireland, with what blessings will she be received 'be Lu"
pure,
wife, the good mother, the pattern of her sex, t dist'
honest, the undissemblieg, the sincere, with the briaco,
torches°
It
dem in all the world glittering on her unblemishehee
_.)
JI
and the love of Ireland within her heart !—(Loud c
mere lassie
is not for the purpose of resting herself from the
is for the
tulle of royalty that :he proceeds to Ireland. It ;
ithusiast.o
purpose of looking on her brave, chivehimst Ito
01,0
because he was tell_lCl-toFtat
people—of seeing with her own eyes, and feeling woed in that
heart, what is best to be done fur Ireland. Engsg wbetl
noble study, she will, I trust, remain there long ;as_."'"five, &
the day of her departure shall arrive, it is not, m
mere imagination on my part to say that she will
Ireland, and pray that betore she may have attained
...32 be
itian of her age, whose morning has been so bright; itendjae
given to her, by the Disposer of all human event.,,ew_ed lot,
Inland with perpetual peace; that it may be her bl "
all her oar
surrounded with advisers whe shall participate in the
the
nanimoua feelings, to make reparation to Ireland t r :11
calamities she has suffered, for all the tears shed, forhas
e_a the
agonies endured, and for all the wrongs which it h D r
Meted °ll
fault of your fathers and your misfortune to have in
me country.— ( Loud and continued clieeiing.) ma;esty's
-Mr. LAW complained of the introduction of her 2 %co
name in the debate. He did not concur with those_oncf.
thought that by this measure they would jruetane,
tkhebarrictrr
hate any religious or political party in . )1. 10
This measure should be considered in all its beart.ni, Nay,
consequences—its natural consequences—should be fulty_,..,
and impartially discussed. (The Right Hon. Gent.leo7foujed
appeared to be reading his speech from a documen_ii.qed by
somewhat in the shape of a lawyer's brief, was here arti't ore
loud cries of " Order, order," and " Read, read.") If ace it
not ;he pleasure of the House to hear him, he would at
.?",„ese,
down. Let the Hon. Member who so often cried out relive
read," and thus interrupted the speaker, stand up anallonly
is
his sentiments. That was the proper course. It
was
reci
conformity with the rules of decency and e
goo
(Hear, hear)—that an Hon. Member should h Without
to deliver his sentiments as long as he did storot trans'
hurting the feeling of any Hon. Member, and
was ?10
gressing the rules of the House. He was only 'Which be
what he considered to be his bounden duty—a duty e„resen
owed to the constituents who had suffered him to r. such
them in that House. He knew not why he should reFtrite he
treatment—there was nothing in the manner in which
expressed his sentiments, nothing disrespectful to the fatly 00. e.
of the Government—nothing hurtful to the feelings 0'
ee .41
—nothing of excitement or anger. He repeated
adepts%
fairly expressing his opinions ; and he could not tr. eased
what right Hon. Members had to put him down byutter sin!
less clamour raised on this occasion.— (Great la- ght‘ci se"
cries of " Hear, Hear.") If they would permit him
etsible.
his opinions, he would put them in as few words as Pe at the
He did not deny that he occasionally glanced his _Olio bee:
paper he held in hand.—(Great laughter.) He and be.
accustomed to put down the heads of his discourse, pose,
done so on the present occasion. —( Renewed laught.e,r;_i.catios
interruptions had lengthened beyond measure the nn ew halo
which, had he been allowed to proceed, he would bad ri
concluded. —( Ironical cries of " Hear, hear.") ,_•ects
objection whatever to his Roman Catholic fellow-suel
eosee
sessing an equality of civil rights and privileges, but
rtno sane
to the endowment of the Roman Catholic Church, 0.
tion any step leading thereto, was a very different thiThe eetr
would as shortly as possible state the objections whit 2, 40,1:
tertained to this measure.—( The Right Hon. Gentle
in 11l
apecared to be reading the document which he hrd read'
hand, arid was again assailed by loud cries of " Re,s):Se b.:
and " Order, order." After a pause, he proceedeo cetboli
sure the question ot the endowment of the Roman the
Church had elicited an avowal f; om the_ :Chancellor of br
to its
edt
chequer, to the effect that if ever this matter was „t
under their consideration, he for one would never eons
being endowed by the revenues of the Protestant Churceneete
Chancellor of the Exchequer said that the question of
merit was not involved in the Bill before the House. troy Is,
Mr HUTT rose to eider. He believed it vas con ren'
the standing order of the House that any Member sh°ll
his speeches.—( Loud cries of " Hear, hear.'') ffen,
er
Mr. LAW wished to know by what right the sp0t
tleman presumed to say, at that distance from tgLesbterl
which lie stood, that he was reading his speeches.-0
's,4 1,,,,ecn,
The Hon. Member asserted that he was reading h ,
and had called upon the Right Hon. Gentleman in ending be
to oblige him to desist. He denied that he was
_0 sell't;
speeches, and the interruption was worthy o :the ego tr,
the Hon. Gentleman advocated. The only differeoc,,,,, won!:
statement which he should be enabled to lay before thee;tpost,
be, that for want of this document he was in danger
_iste s 0!
ing his arguments, which he had arranged under sePalenusel
distinct heads. It was an ungenerous interruption,
_.
octice,r;
contrary to the practice of Parliament, and to the re, t
Gentlemen.—( Cries of Hear, hear," and " Order, °,,t. tits'
Mr. OSBORNE rose to order. It was contrary to orn'etrl
any Hon. Member should toll another that he acted e°
to the practice of a gentleman.—( Loud cries of " Hear, b,eeiese
The SPEAKER thought the Hon. Member did Pe' I
theta.age in an offensive sens. letS
L guAW thanked the Right Hon. Gentleman for tbe
obliging and just interpretation of what he had said, rot,/
pretation in which from the bottom of his heart he belie of tbel
Hon. Gentleman who interrupted him was convinced
truth of, befere lie made the interruption.—(Loud
ntlenies
" Order, order," " No, no.") The Right Hun. Ge woe I
took up the document again and appeared to be readile floe'
amid renewed laughter.) He must. appeal to the 111,g_t floe/e
Gentleman whether he was to be the only person in tt e
loseetle
who was not at liberty to arrange the heads of his argot, fsiri
(Great laughter)—so that he might lay his sentire!ro_. riari
before the House. If the object was to prevent him f. rtwoo.l4.
ceeding it would be successful only to this extent, thatedricbll
prevent him from mentioning most of those points ent, „Ater.,,./
rested his resistance to this measure.—( Renewed la"vjt Ore
This debate ought to be conducted as it had beer"„nt
very hard that he should riot he permitted to rePre—ttotili
feelings of his constituents, who were not inferior in file b
character, or ability, to those who interrupted Lim* petit
heard the solitary disclaimer of the Chancellor of thyheeesmi
quer.—( Here the Right Hon. Gentleman appeared tot; s;
ing from the same aer, and the cries of " isiou
" Read " were renewed.) Well, if he had no oilier %t0e...,
would throw himself upon the indulgence of the
oDoly
afo
(Cries of " Hoar, hear.") He repeated that hi° bins. oi
was to perform his duty to those who sent, been of
the profession to which he belonged, he had boas
muds in the habit of making notes of the 0000,2
his argument, that he could not trust t°,lle boo
for the arrangements of those points.—( Laughter.) of tb_A
been in the course of stating that the apparent coyness
who had spoken of the endowment of the Catholic elerrof
tb
induced him to enter more fully into the considerati?:
question. He did not find that the suggestion of the fat
Hon. Gentleman met with any discouragement front Oa of,
Hon. Baronet ; nor was it upon any sudden thong„btailet%
tion that the Right Hon. Gentleman exchanged 04° far„
with the Right Hon. Baronet the Secretary of Sg„ate„tlettl;
Home Department. The Right Hon. and Learned Ged'cati°)
had clearly stated what was the nature of theeir. Jeep
required for the Roman Catholic clergy, and he (~ pa' e
was aware that he could point to the authority Of ..tbe ebe
illustrious statesman than Edmund Burke, as to for to
cessity of seclusion for those who were intended
Roman Catholic Priesthood ; but he did not think that'isiisra
best mode of educating those who were to live i 0 old
tro
society of Protestants and Roman Catholics. It e",,d e_j/e
recollected that there was a second Catholic question, •-floili
a more important one than the first. The fiat 8114
114 •
Catholic measure only removed civil disabilities, and the the
Hon. Baronet drew a broad line of distinction bet sole,.
removal of civil disabilities and the establishment of t"...eure
Catholic Church. Now, he maintained the present Incicathe'je
0,
but the initiative of the establishment of the Roma° t 10111,,i
Church.—( Hear, hear.) This was the most import...,,„,n
Catholic question they had ever been called on to conagi' it )5
he for one was not surprised that, when the alarm ciei b.,
spread throughout the country, the 'different constitue!
instructed their representatives to give it the stronge°,able
01
tion, and sent in petitions against it which made the 4'45
that House groan. He should not be surprised if thw_x.or
tion of this measure should cast England, and Seotia°oo
' dor the
a part of Ireland into an agitation of as many yes" ,a for
and as violent, as that which accompanied the ineasn',;olick,‘
removal of the civil disabilities of the Roman Gat"eierw'
(Hear.) He ventured to warn the House from if 01
into a course, the evils of which it would be diffieuT 0004
impossible, to overstate.—( Hear, hear.) It was ro dello s
question of whether the Right Hon, and Learned Genie tb
opposite (Mr. Sheil) was to have a distinguished plat dios„,
House—whether he was to take part in considertoilib
questions which came before Parliament, together Woe
Protestant fellow-countrymen. It was a far different 10 OA°.
—the uestion whether the Protestant religion should Ifou',
gether subverted—(Oh, oh.) The question before tit cb ty"
and country was simply this, whether the title upon eewolio'
Crown of England had been heretofore founded—(flearr,...,
titolf
ther the Act of Settlement should he adcad letter on the' fide
book—whether the article of the union, the fundamentals
queried.
that measure, should be utterly rendered null--the
was, whether that question should be infringed and on° 00:
—(‘‘ Year, hear,' and " Oh, oh.") Were they snot oerl
wiser than their ancestors, that they should go back tie ply
to the revolution, but even to the reformation, for do
pose of subverting them ? And what were they °odes,
fur? To support a Roman Catholic priesthood
market of sedition—(" Hear, hear,' and " Oh, 0" 00-0
stimulated to acts of sedition the excitable people of ob e
—(" Oh, oh," and " Hear, hear.") And frreelo tthe
funds were the means to be supplied ?
taxes of the country, or it may be 31.°1,0 tai
revenues of the Protestant Establishment in Ireland. „to (iv
recollect that the next motion which they would hrbigelem
cuss would be this very question, on which the 1-101.009 'OO
for Sheffield had a motion. Before he went on to ""'
ee
eat to
other portions of this question—(Oh, oh )--before beg
to discuss the other portions of the question. he w" bin), bit
assure the House, that in anything that fell frogn not
anything that should fall from him, it was of
intention to say anything hurtful to the feeli"gedecl
one in that House or out of it. On the contrary, he diope°,4o
with a sincerity which no person had a right to
of tbiii
that he respected as much as any man the opine: 001 a
who differed from Inm upon religious subjects. ri ant
that the removal of the Roman Catholic disahihtbet aeles
measure for which the Roman Catholics ought t lift be
greteful to the Right Hon. Baronet. But this wal7„gog "eb,
and separate question altogether, for it was the ins'it-chor be
E °man Catholic Church coordinate with the Pretestenvicei op
If he was trespassing on the House—as he was C011°00,104
was—( Cheers and laughter)—he must again throvii„,, bell tbo
the indulgence of the House, --( Laughter. lidere_a
that her Majesty's Government had not duly ovs'ilito',o*
important consequences which were involved in the
the
piesl
tion of this measure. The Right Hon. Gentleman tieolleor
ber for Edinburgh had accused the Right Hon. Geed °id
the head of the Government with having introdue_ slop
sure not based on the previous principles which he n6eatlerPoe
when in Opposition, and yet the Right Hon. WO eel
the Member for Edinburgh said that there 010°00
difference in principle between an annual and tPole.
grant. The two assertions were totally irreconeuc