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State. In consequenCe of the pressure of heavy excise
duties, the artizan now paid as.much•for one pound of
tobacco as would buy nine pounds, 'and: the .flame was
applicable to a vast number of °flirt- .commodities, so
that more than two-thirds of his labour went for the
payment of taws.
The CHANCELLOR of the:EXCHEQUER would
ask whether, in point of order, this motion could be put.
The matter had been already twice discussed in this
House during the course of the last session. It was an
unusual course to make such a motion as this, which
affected the right of imposing new taxes.
The SPEAKER thought that the motion, as it stood,
was irregular. He had considerable doubt as to the
right of the House to impose any tax on the people
without a direct message from the Crown.

The bHANCELLOit of the EXCHEQUER thought
the motion ought not to.bes taken at_ present.
Mr. HUME submitted that the House was perfectly
competent now to entertain the motion, -:The Hon.
Gentleman then read_ the motion. He conlidered.that
the motion was legitimate, inasmuch as it did not pro-
pose any new tax. The-utmost effect of it would .be
disburden one part of the community that
_was oppres-
sively taxed, and to compensate for that removal by
taxing those who could bear it. He hoped the day was
not far distant when the whole House wonld resolve it-
self into a Committee for the purpose of considering the
general subject of taxation ; more especially the ques-
tion of equal and unequal burdens "borne by diffe-
rent classes of the community: The Hon. Gentle-
man was about entering into the subject•matter of the
motion when,.
Sir R. PEEL rose to order. He assured the Hon.
Gentleman he would not have risen if he did not
consider that one of those safeguards against entering
too hastily into the subject of taxation was about being
invaded. The question then before the House was, not
whether the Hon. Gentleman's motion was politic or im-
politic, but whether or no he was ,in order in making
that motion. The Right Hon. Gentleman the Speaker
seemed to be in doubt upon the matter, but expressed
an opinion that the present motion was, at all events,
an evasion of the established rules of that House. Now,
he (Sir R. Peel) considered all interference with the
rules of the House as most dangerous, but evading them
worse than any other species of innovation. If the
Hon. Gentleman were allowed to persevere in this mo-
tion, it might form a very dangerous precedent.
Mr. HUME said the Right Hon. Baronet need not
be under any apprehension that he would at-
tempt to evade any of the " rules of that
House. He believed there was no- Honourable
Member more anxious to maintain the rules of that
House than he was. The fact was, he considered that
the opposition given to the motion by the Right Hon.
Gentleman, the Chancellor of the Exchequer, was an
attempt to smother the ujotion, and as such he opposed
it ; but if there was any doubt that the motion was not
in conformity with the rules of the House, ho would
have recommended his Honourable Friend to withdraw
the motion.

Mr. BARING thought it would be very wrong in the
House to decide without due consideration. He agreed
in what had fallen from the Right lion. Baronet as to
the propriety of preserving the rules of the House, and
that they should be particnlarly cautious in everything
that regarded taxation. The Hon. Gentleman might
have been guilty of some irregularity in bringing the
matter before the House, but he was sure the Hon. Gen-
tleman would not persevere in it contrary to the disposi-
tion of the House.

Mr. ELPHINSTONE was willing to withdraw the
motion, but he hoped the Right Hon. Baronet would
allow him to fix some day next week for the considera-
tion of the motion. _

Sir R. PEEL—Yes, Tuesday or Thursday.
Mr. ELPHINSTONE• hoped the Right Hon. Baronet
would allow him to fix on a Government night.
Sir R. PEEL could not consent to that proposition.
Mr. WARBURTON would suggest to his Hon. rela-
tive that the debate should be adjourned, and he thought
no objection could be made to the motion.
The SPEAKER said he could not at that moment Re-
collect every precedent which would apply to the present
case. He thought it was a case in which the House
ought to pause before it came to any decision.
Lord J. MANNERS thought it would be much better
to adjourn the debate to another evening.
Sir A. LEITH HAY objected to the adjournment of
the debate.

After a few observations from Mr. EWAnT and Sir R.
PEEL, the motion was withdrawn.
POST-OFFICE.

Mr. WALLACE, pursuant to notice, moved—" That
full effect be given to the Act, commonly called the
Penny Postage Act, by the issue of postage free
stamped paper, without restriction as to size or quality,
—in addition to the use of labelS, postage free envelopes,
and prepayment at post-offices, as at present."
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER trusted
that the lion. Gentleman would not persevere in his
motion, as its adoption could not be attended with any
good.
Captain BERNAL said he was desired to express, on
the part of several stationers, their dislike of this mea-
sure for stamping half sheets of paper. They believed
that the Government had the same security in the
present stamped envelopes. Ile believed, too, that the
people were perfectly satisfied with the present plan,
and he could not understand why the Hon. Member for
Greenock should be so anxious to press his proposal on
the Government, and he hoped that the Government
would give him (Captain Bernal) an assurance that these
sheets would not be issued to any great extent. He un-
derstood that a considerable quantity of a peculiar kind
of paper had been laid in by the Government to the
amount of hundreds of tons, at ls. Id. per lb., and that
they were afterwards obliged to get rid of it at a loss
of ninety per cent.
Mr. F. BARING stated that the late. Government
had contemplated an issue of Mr. Dickenson's peculiar
paper, but had not done so from an apprehension of
creating a monopoly. He hoped the Government, is bile
consulting the convenience of tbdpublic, would be care-
furnot to create a monopoly of that kind.
Sir GEORGE CLERK said it had been considered
worth while' to try the experiment of the half sheets
stamped for writing inside. Not a day passed by but
suggestions came to the Treasury of . improvements in
the postage plan, but he did not think that any sugges-
tion had been made of any advantage to the public
arising from the 'issue of stamped sheets.
He believed the public found as much or more advantage
in writing on common paper, and affixing labels to it.
Much inconvenience might arise from the stamped sheets,
especially to the poor, if they went to the expense of
buying stamped sheets, if they should spoil the letter in
writing, as it would be impossible to recover the penny
stamp from the Post-office. He could assure the Hon.
Gentleman that they were trying the experiment on a
very small scale. A small quantity only of stamped
half-sheets were to be issued, in order to ascertain whe-
ther the plan would afford additional convenience to the
public.
Mr. WALLACE still remained of opinion that the
penny stamps on full sheets of paper would be a great
convenience to the public, especially to the poorer classes.
He was of opinion that the plan of the half-sheets would
be a failure ; but evidently seeing that the House was
against his propOsition, he would withdraw his motion.
The motion was then withdrawn.
FOREST OF DEAN.
The Earl of LINCOLN moved for leave to bring in a
Bill to extend the time within which arrangements may
be made on behalf of the Crown, of encroachments on
the Forest of Dean.—Agreed to.
LAND-TAX COMMISSIONERS NAMES BILL.
On the motion of Sir GEORGE CLERK, leave was
given to bring in the Laud-Tax Commissioners Names
Bill.

GAME LAWS.
Mr. WALLACE called the attention of the House
to the petition from the counties of Lanark, Ayr, and
Renfrew, respecting the
inefficiency of the law forbid-
ding the going armed by night for the purpose of de-
stroying game ; and moved for leave to bring in a
Bill to extend the provisions of the Act 9 Geo. W. c. 69,
to similar offences when committed on highways, and
other public roads and paths, during the night, as when
those offences are .committed upon inclosed or open lands
through which highways and other roads and paths pass.
Leave was given to bring in the Bill.
Mr. FRENCH moved for a return of the names of all
persons who have been appointed to command vessels in
her Majesty's service, from the Ist day of October, 1841,
to the Ist day of March, 1844 ; specifying whether each
person so appointed be a native of England, Ireland, or
Scotland..
Mr, S..BERBERT bad no objection to grant the re-
turn, provided The specification of country was omitted
by the lion. Gentleman, which, being agreed to, the re-
turn was ordered.
TOBACCO.

Mr. HUME moved :that• the following gentlemen
form the Select Committee' on. Tobacco :—Mr. Hume,
the Chancellor of the E'3ielieCiuer, Mr. Parker, Mr.
Villiers, Mr. Cblquhouvi; 'Viscount Sandon, Mr. Beckett,
Mr. Ewart; Mr. Young, Mt:Smythe, Dr. Bowring, Mr.
Hodgson•llinde,. Sir Charles, Douglas, Mr. Alderman
lliimphery, and Mr. Darby.—Agreed to.
The Teachers .of Schods.areland) Bill went through
Committee. • •
The Report of the Threettnd-4-Half per Centum Re-
duction Bill was brought. up. ..
Sir GEORGE CLERK brovightin the annual Indem-
nity Bill; which 'was read a first time.
Sir JAMES GRAHAM, presented a petition from
the Professor of the' University of Glasgow, praying
that they might have no religious tests imposed on them.
The House then, at Tiventy Minutes after Twelve,
adjourned until to-morrow. .

To THE LADIES.—Th e high and universal celebrity
'which RolVlandi's)elirioaellysdoorf csopnrtiinnguesmtoositnapiLstaiiiz aneNaichtcherde,.
yet mild and soothing extirpator of all impurities of the skin,
is during the
This preparation eminently balsamic, restorative, and invi-
gorating, is equally celebrated for safety in application, as for
unfailing efficacy in removing all impurities and discoloura-
fiat's ; and in promoting a healthy freshness and transparency
to the Skin and Complexion. Its universally great demand
excites the cupidity of unprincipled, shopkeepers, who give
the title of " Genuine Kalydor" to compounds of their own
manufacture, of the most deleterious character, containing
mineral astringents utterly ruinous to the Complexion, and,
by their repellant action endangering health. It is, there-
fore, imperative on purchasers to see that the words " 71ow-
land's are on. the wrapper.—All others are frau-
dulent counterfeits.

•
THE LATE DIMS Or SUSSEX'S LIBRARY.—By the
will of the late Duke of Sussex it was directed that if the
Government did not purchase his library within one year
after his Royal Highness's' decease, it was to be sold by
public auction. The 'King of Prussia. is now in treaty' for
the purchase of this rare collection of books, which consists
of upwards- of 45,000 volumes, the whole of which have
been catalogued by Mr.- Pettigrew, the Duke's librarian, and
the list transmitted to his Majesty- We have not heard the
value placed upon them by his Royal Highness's executors.
EVen- -at _the lows average of; hail a crown a volume they
would realise 5,625/.