The Sun.
London, England, 1810-02-03 00:00:00

STA.NDING ORDER.

Mr. WHITBREAD said he should on Monday move
for printing such of the Papers relative to America
as should then be' produced. Being on his legs, he
could not but express a hope that the Right H,on.
Gentlernan (Mr. Yorke) would not perseVere in his
intention, of tnoving.the Standing Older, of which
he had given notice.
The SPEAK ER said, sf) long as the, Regulation al,-
luded to, 'continued a Standing Order of that House',"
any Gentleman whO chose had a right to Move it.
It was a subject which he could not allow to be
discussed.
_ _ TRADE OF THE COUNTRY.

e Mr. ROSE presented certain Papers, agreeably to,
order, shewing the Exports and -ImportS for the
last year. • He particularly begged to call the atten-
tion of the House to these Papers, in, consequ,en‘.p
of misrepresentations which had gone abroad. It
had been represented that our Import Trade was
carried on solely by paying for out Imports in bul-
lion : and it had been'stated by a Gentleman, Justly
entitled to take' a lead 'in such queitions in that
House, that it-Was in consequence of the adventage
arising front Mr. Erskine's temporary understanding
with America that our Trade had beep- lately se.
great. The balince of 'Trade, however, 'at this
moment was nearly 16 millions in our favour, our
Exp Ors exceeding our Imports by that sit.m.--e
The value of our .Exports; consisting of British ma.-‘:
nufa6lu:e alone, amounted, as appeared front the.
papers now presented, to 55 miilions—White the
whole Imports amounted:only to 45 millions; 'and;
if the whole year could have been taken;'ihe ba-'
lance of our Exports of British rnanufadure alone,
would be greater than our Imports by nearly twelve
millions. The value of the money sent, out of the
country was about six millions, while 'that bionght-
into it was upwards of ten millions, leaving • a
balance in our favour of train' four to five mil-
lions. As to the idea of all the' money going
out of the country, and that ruin ft-41st be' the
consequence, there 'was nothing in it. The' trade
with the United States of which we had been,
deprived, had been made up to uS by our increas-
ed trade with other parts of. America.' lie 'should
shew how this was made out. Our trade with the'
United States amounted to semething inure than
eleven millions. To- all -other partvof America it-
then amounted to about seven making a
total of 18 millions. In
_the last yeaf our trade to
other parts of -America' alone amounted to 23 mil='
lions, being five millions more than the whole trade
had been fbrmerly. • It `wouldalso appear from those
papers, that instead of hiving received no cotton
wool from America, we had last-year imported more
than any one year before. As to the rate 'of 'ex-
change; this was not 'the firopertime tnenterinto it.
Mr. HORNER said, he had been inistepresented to
the Right Honourable Gentleman, if it was supposed
he had stated that'all out Imparts were paid for in
bullion. He had not said so. He had only stated,.
that to a certain degree it' had become u part of our
Exports, in a different manner fiat what it had hie
therto done. • As-to our internal situation, there was
no man who enjoyed the use of his senses, but•must
be convinced, that in spite of the waste.and expend-
iture incurred in an unnecessary war, that the growth
of this country exceeded the most extravagant
dictions that had been made of it, and that it still
continued to go on in an • increased degree. There
was an inereised demand for ail ingenious and•use-
ful inventions. Canals, a property above all
others, • which shewed the. extent of our im-
provements, adeanced to 'a most rapid growth ;
and a sudden start of agricultural improvement,
particularly in the southern counties, had lately
been made. As to the Exports so greatly exceeding
the Imports, it was inapo,sibie, in the very nature
of things, that it could continue.

•
Mr: Ross explained.
Mr. BARING thought the subject unfairly intro-
duced at present, and reserved himself ti 1 a fit op-
portunity, when he should shew that there was no
fotrhdation for imputing the. alleged prospelity of
our Trade to the measures of Ministers.
Mr. PERCEVAL said they arrogated nothing to
themselves, which the tad did not warrant. All
the merit ;they claimed ivas, that the system they

had adopted to meet the regulations of tile enemy
for the ruin of our commerce, had- not been found
so inefficient, or rather so mischievous, as they had
been represented.
The papers were then ordered to be printed,
WALCHEREN EXPEDITION.

Lord PORCHESTER begged leave before he moved
the Order' of the Day, to observe, that there appear-
ed ty him to be certain deficiencies in the written
.evid4nce which had been submitted to the House for
its consideration. There was nd plan of operations,
which it was natural to suppose, must have , been
delivered to the Commander in Chief for his in-
, struetion in the condu& of the business, complicated
as it was, involving a variety of considerations, and
a service in which there was to be a co-operation of
sea and land service. It was impossible to suppose
that there were no such plan and instruaions for
the regulation of the Commander in Chief, in dif-
ferent events. It also seemed that the dispatches
from the Commander; of the Expedition to Mi-
nisters were not complete. The first time that there
was any allusion made to an ulterior Ojai, was
that dispatch in which it was stated, that this 'ulte-
rior object must be abandoned. Could the House lea-
iieve that there were not deficiencies in both of these
respeas ? For his own part, he thought the thing
was indisputable. He hoped, however, he should
not be told that they were private communica-
tions. He should say nothing more on the subjea
at present, but should content himself with giving
notice, that 'he should move for these papers on
Monday.
His Lordship then moved, that the Papers now
before the House be referred to the Committee on
the Inquiry into the Ekpedition to the Scheldt.
Lord tASTLEREAGH, before 'the commencement
... of the Inquiry, wished to state to the House that he
by no Means considered the Papers circulated by
- the Ministers as furnisliing a full and satisfaaory
View of the whole circumstances conneaed with
the Expedition. There was secret information to
be examiried, which ' must come before a ' Secret
• ComMittee. But 'even the Records Of the War
QfliCe would not afford the 'means of complete
information. This could be found only in the 4e-
cords of ad the' Departments which had wrought.
together hi the prepartition and condua of the 'Ex-
Pedifion. This tie. stated, that. the House might
no.; from the Want of 4411' infOranation in the War
Otlite, nedessatily infer that oeglea ha,d prevaileit
in that , Departtnent. He 'would, howev'el, dili
_L gently attend to the progress of The Inquiry, Old
when information on any partiCular pat appearect
necessary ha would suggest where it was to be found:
He-was anxious tt; - refrain as mu-eh -as.pUssibl4 &Om'
any uenecesSark interference in 'the anvestigatione
The Noble Lord (Pora:hUater), had certainly ate'
best pretensions to ' condoa it in his' own 'way.
But' he Wished much to knoW from the Noble Lord
what'course he intended to purSne .? 'What branch'
he rpeant to bring forward first, aod in what 'order
he proposed to proceed ?‘ He thought the prefer=
' able mode would be to consider, first; the policy'Of
the measure. As to that point, there was very little
inforthation on the face or the papers presented to
,h. i-lik. l'lp consideration which led his Ma-
jesty's. Ministers' to resolve upon this 'Expeueirel,
the state of readiness in which the Army was at 'the
time, the means Of conveyance which exi‘ed, the
inttirinition 'given byloreige powers, and the incli:-
nation manifested by there on 'this subjei:,t,, with se-
, vela'. 'other matters, were yet to be explained, as lit-
tle appeared respecting these topics on the face of
the papers presented. ' But, independent of this,
the general means Of the criUntry to meet the views
of foreign powers mtist be considered, and also he'
I probable expence (if the' Expdition :it the time it
was undertaken. He trusted that all-these things
would 'by some 'means Or other be brought befine.
Parliament. The representations of foVeign powers,
and every other Clictunstati cc' conneeel with. its oil-
gill; must be knco.v`n, in order to judge of the expe--
. diency of the undertakirw. As far as he understood
at present, it' would net i'?e necessary to go into any"',
gieaf extent of evidence to, shew the groUnds on
which the GovernMent had 'resolved on the.EXpedi-
tio'n '; and he would do his endeavour to explain, as
clearly and concisely as possible, the view which, as
be conceived, the Cabinet had in the 'undertaking.
But.if the Noble Lord chose ratherto go into the
ekeetition of the plan in 'the first place, 'he would
ndt presume to oppose that course, although he
doubted 'whether it•was the most convenient. He
only begged leaVea to have it understood' that the
policy .of the measio-e- Was not clearly explained in
the'papers now...before the House. ' He would net"
undertake to detail the naval and military execution
of the plan,'hut the grounds of the iestructions to
the Commander under the 'Sign Manual were of a
general. nature, and. did not travel into professional'
details. The Admiralty instrations, the House
twooutlidleseAeurriitoa4 de d, than
ilander_tlobiese
citrf his
irsethAelNajeasvtayl
Board consisted of men more competent to give di-
reelions Of this nature, than the Ministers who were
concerned in the military part of it. It would be.
tea approved
travelling trio. much into 'detail •to mentioo all the-
circumstances conneaed with the executida—but-
he would explain the bbjease in viol—the
acted upon---and the' grounds on which
the operations in Walcherenand Sotith Bevetand—e
and examine the causes which' interrupted*the main
e ,•
object of the Expedition, which undoubtedly Was'
the possession of Antwerp. He begged not to be
understood to blame' the Commanders, who, more
'
than any' others, were interested in' the 'succesS of
the Expedition. He himself had td receive much
information on the subjea -He concluded by ,re--
peating, that 'he thought the • Noble Lord should-
begin• with the policy of the Expedition—being,
however, prepared to accede to any other mode of
proceeding that might be most agreeable to his
Lordship. ..
Lord PORCFIESTER thought it impra&icable to se-
parete the 'question- of policy altogether from the
other queitions. 'His objeet was to follow the order
of time, and to examine—ist, The aransaaions
previous to the departure of the Expedition, which
Would include the policy, preparations, Stc.'&c.—
ebtl:4:vled:oll,ltoneil
lisTi
tenets
whole.
octomeo:insoec,st:otleoii
connected
followed:d 0: .pvidnaoaysi‘i:c,
toni
yitifiiheelnti
wouldft
tht e,rter)aeaEni
lxdgp pei
arise
lei
eisarteisi Expedition—and
ectnd\lni,g,ttleola3dol dclul ht,
ito(enTr
appearedle
lhhtlnoeee. -
evacuationpnpt\e—viriaoeirri
presented
House.

Sii FRANCIS BURDETT observed, that the }IOUS,

ought to have the instruaions of the Commander
' the Officers of Division under him—ed, The,
ports made by these Officers to him-3d, The iv.L-
litary Journals of the Staff Officers.
Lord CASTLEREAGH and Sir F. BURDETT theta
communicated in a low tone across the table, but
we were unable to colleen what they said.
Mr. CROKER observed, that no department liable
to be called upon for papers ought to be taken by
surprise, and therefore would be obliged to the
Noble Lord to say whether he wanted any paper-
.-
and of what nature, if any, from the Admiralty De-
partment ?
Mr. CHARLES WYNNE wished to know whether ,
any other instruaions had been given to Lord Chat-
ham than those contained in the papers before the
. House ? Whether he was ordered to 'besiege
Flushing with the whole of his force, or to proceed
to take Antwerp by a coup-de-main?
Lord CASTLEREAGH answered, that there were
DO other regular instrudions given but what were
contained in the papers already laid before the
House.
Mr. TLERNEY, in answer to what, fell from Mr.
C oker, observed, that it was not usual on such ,OCC4I-
- to give notice of what papers might be wanted
from the different departments—nor, indeed, was it
possible to do so. In the course of the Inquiry it
wouhl be seen what papers it might be absolutely
necessary to call for, and they would then be order-
ed—a reasonable time being allowed for their pro-
cluaiOn. The object would be, to bring the whole
into as small a compass as possible, and to finish in
as short a time as the proper investigation of the
subject would permit, bur there Was no wish to take
any department by surprise.
Mr. PERCEVAL agreed with the last speaker, that
no previous notice could with certainty be given ;
and that all that was necessary was to avoid taking
any department by surprize. In case such docn-
menis should be of 'a secret nature, it would be
proper to 'appeint a Secret Committee, in the first
instance, to examine them ; and if they thought it
,
unnecessary to conceal them, taey might more
'openly be 'produced. There was tat desire on his
side to delay the Inquiry, and lie hoped there was
no.desire on the'ofher side to precipitate it. As the
Nettie Lord propOsed w enter upon the policy of the
measere, lu the first instance, he (Mr. Perceval)
would Move for a Secret Committee on Monday ;
and gave notice. accordingly:
Mr.. TIERNEY obsetved; that as the Inquiry was
-rather again4t the inclination of the Right Hon.
Gentleman, he woold wish that his Noble Friend
4finuld root leave the inotion for a Secret* 'comm. ittete
to hiin—but would this very night propose that the
Chairman should Mole for one. The Right Hon:-
GeutterOan bad been barber unfortunate in his-choice
• • •
Mr. CANN.O4"G, while the continued to -think that •
this Inquiry had better have been left, to some other
tribunal, 'disclaimed any intention of proposing one
different from that which the House had fixed upon.
He' how wished to state the line of conduct which
he thought most ptoper lot him to pursue in the
eourSe of this investigation, and the extent to Which
he conceived himself partidularly connected with the
expedition7---ist. As to the point of policy, he
thonght,iiinlself coMpletely-responsible fur tnitt
iu
the 'fitost comprehensive sense Of the Word--2d, As
to the execution of the plan, he also considered hints
self responsible for that in the parliamentary sense
of the word—of course, not bt:i.. responsible for
the detailed Military and Naval operations. Taco
came, 2dly, the Military and Naval execotion—and
for 'this he 'could not, he conceived, be personally
responsible. to the evacwtion of the Island of
Walchereii, he had incurred no responsibi.iiiy eo
that point. -fie, however, gave no °pillion en that.
sobjebt, either one way or. other. Vor the Origia
of the Expedition, which was the triost materi ii
part, he considered himself deeply responsible. He
wished that blame might attach no where-,—but, as.
it was possible that blame would rest somewhere, lie
was anxious that 'his conduct should be understood.
If he was too active in ,the investigation, it was pos-.
sibie that his Conduct might be construed into a
with, to 'throw the blame 0 that pert of the meas..
sure, fiar which he was himself responsible, along'
with others--and to fix it upon that part for- which
he was not responsible'. Desirous- of avoiding to
give any preteke for such a construction, he would
diligently attend to what passed, but abstain, as
much as
possible, from taking any active part in 'the
investigation.
'Time papers were then ordered to be referred to
the Committee of Inquiry.
Lord PORCHESTER moved that the House resolve
itself into the Committee ; and the Speaker having
put the question for leaving the Chair, •
-Mr. YotiK,B immediately observed, that there
were strangers in the House, and called aro the'
Speaker 'to enforce the standingorder for their ex.
elusion. Strangers were, of course,' ordered to with-
draw, and the Gallery continued shut during the
remainder of the business.

[We were not again admitted, but we under-
stand, that on Sir D. Deudas (the first witness) be-
ing'called in to be examined, some difficulty arose
as 'to the propriety-ofexamining Sir David without
the especial leave' of his Majesty. Sir David was,
directed to, withdraw,' and after some discussion, at
the conclusion of vk Mich the examination of Sir David
was 'not proceeded oh, the House adjourned tilj
Monday.j

MAI IS.
Aar& iv ED-I Brazils, I !Malta, z Lisbon, Dublin,
2 Watericird. Ua —z Guttenburgh, a Waterford.

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