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been said that the system pursued at Dublin College
was hos i:e to education ; but he would remind the
Reese o' the names that had emanated from it, distin
gut bed in every department of the classics, the arts, and
the s,•ienees It would be in'idious to in-titute any corn-
per son with the colleges of Oxford and Cambridge, but
he could not help saying that there were at present more
fellows in the tire, of mesa Universiti. s than had been
in the Dublin (',o loge :rum ire very teutidation.—(Hear,
h -r t The objeciions which Hon. Members hal urged
ar,airrst- 'he Uoiversitv of Dablin was, that it e-as rt
merely Protestant Colleee. But they shfiuhl remember
that it was found d by Queen Elizabeth ; and if
they recelleeted the character of that age, and
the opinions which were prevalent, they would not
surely express any surprise that it was founded for the
purpose or extending the Protestant faith. There were
certain offices to which Heiman Catholics were not eligi•
We, het the% were ,;f that kind that the restriction could
not be lo eked upen as a very great grievance. They
w-•ri• the office,: of Provost, Vie,.-Provost, and certain
fellowships and scholarships. The llon. and Learned
Mernl er then enumerated the different classes in the
college, in erder to how that education was there taught
on the most liberal princip'e. The only obit crion which
the Hon. M tuber seemed to substaetiate, and the justice
of which he (Mr. Hamilten) would not admit., was, !left
the university was intended to propagate the dectritiee
of the Protestant Establishment. He thought that if
they interfered with the present system they would, in-
stead of conciliating Ireland, be rather adding to her dis-
traetions.
Mr. WAR BUR I'ON thought that no objection multi
reasonehly he eiso:n to a motion, which had only for its
object the establishment of a Commission for the per-
p of inquiring if the intentions of the founders of the
university had been carried out. They had to inquire
whether the funds which had been given had been ap-
plled according to the terms of the cha-ter, and the)
fervid the charter of Charles 1., in 1637, laid down
th- scale of emoluments which the provost, and other
officers, were to receive. There they found that the
nrevost was to receive loot sterling., the senior fellow
9L 13s. 4d., and the junior fellows 3L Now, indeed,
they, in consequence of the difference in value of morey,
should be placed on a different footing ; but yet
they had to look if a large amount of the
available property of the college was not swal-
lowed up in the shape of salaries, instead of being
expended in the way directed by the founders.
And if they did examine into the history of the TJeiver-
sity. they would find that sncroachments had been made
at different periode—encroachments which ern-pled the
energies. and limited the usefulness of the Institution to
a very great degree. And on this subject alone, the Go-
vernment ought to institute a royal commission of inquiry.
Some of the arguments of the Hon. Gentleman who had
ills. sal down, seem, d to hiu to he carried too far. Surely
in this ineetnee, where the college was open to all stu-
d its of whatever persuasion, and where office and emo-
lument might he held by Roman Catholic gentlemen—
sur-le, he repeated, at this time, and under present circurn-
statuses, the Government mieht cause inquiry to be made
with the view of throwing the university open to all
sects, and placing Cathelies and Protestants on exactly
the same f tieing. He should he the very last per,e),
to disert the property of the Colleg•• to other than th.
objects to which the f Anders meant it to he erplted. hut
in thee,- days, when they were builr'ine colleges in other
pa te et. I- la el, it might b • "ell to do away with th,
jectienahle statutes a hich only restricted education.
and he should, then fire. deeming he commission sought
for by his Hon. Friend truly necessary, support the
n.
Sir 11. 11. IN'GLIS said that the foundation of the
university of Dublin was as purely Protestant as any
colt ge in this country. L. had been said by the Hon.
and Gallant Officer who mar d the resolution, that tie
statutes ef Elizabeth did nit c n ',kin the word 4- Pr.
testent but did any Honourable Member niacin te s
that that sovereien eontemolated other than thil es
tension of Protestant doctrines ? Having heard nothing
in the speech of the Hon Gentleman opposite it; its
favour, he child resist any interference en the pat.t.
the Crown with respect to funds left by certain pei seti-
tor privet.- purposes.
Mr. HUME was sorry to find this motion opposed be
her Mejest''s Government. He was -urerised at this
s e ng that h. r M tjesty's Government had evineed a d--
si4-e to cotieili Lte the peup!e of' Ireland. He thought hi-
Hon. and Gallant Fr;.•ntl, the Member for Wycombe.
in introdu-ing the motion, had made ~at a very strong
cae-. He thought that the motion of his lion. Frice
was particularly well timed, seeing that her Majesty's
Government had esked the House to Grant certain rams
of money for educational purposes. He was right, under
those circumstances, in asking what funds were at pre-
sent in existence fur such purposes, and how they were
He did not see how her Majesty's Go-
vernment could refuse this, when they were asking the
House to grant more money for education in Ireland.
On a former occasion an application was made for mime:,
to be voted for Scotland, and a precisely similar
course hal been ad••pted to that suggested by his Hon
and Gallant Friend. lie believed that his Hon. and
Gallant Friend's argument had been very unfairly met
'fete Government, in opposing the motion, were not
carrying, out the liberal view which they had lately ex-
pressed towards Ireland. It was his opinion, that all
Irishmen should be placed upon the same footing with
r. spect to education and relign in. He thought that Ire-
land was justified in calling for the inquiry which heel
been demanded. It was the policy of the Government
to grant such inquiries, for whenever a party had re-
course to concealment, the result would not he benefi-
cial to them. Upon these gr3unds, he should support
the motion of his Hon. and Gallant Friend.
Mr. LEFROY was opposed to this motion, beeausel-e
believed the effect of it would he to open the honors and
emoluments of Trinity Colleg e Dublin, to other parties
than Protestants. He thought they were bound to sup
port that College in its present position. He did not
believe that a single argument had been offered in favour
of the motion of the Hon. and Gallant Gentleman, and
therefore he should oppose it.
Mr. M. J. (./VON'NELI, did not think that the Hon.
Get-ilea-Jan who had just sat down had shown to th,
lions- a very premising example of the logic taught at •
Trinity College. lie (Mr. M. J. O'Connell) hoped that
they would have sonae further exposition o'
the principles' upon which the Government
intended to oppose the motion.—(Hear.) They had.
he th, ugh t, exhibited as much inconsistency in that
'water as they had in financial matters. In Scotland
tests were to he imp tsed, in Cork they were not, but i;
Dublin the G'tee nment were determined to maintai,
the tests in full torte Ile hart supported this Bill it
its early stage-,. because he believed it would, in its of
ft c•. a ivance mix. d Bet mixed education.
wool,' never suece• d while equality was no
observed. T new colleges were to he thrown
op n to all, while tt,c• old ones were to b•
exclusive Until this in quality was abolished, discontent
w uld etawitruc., and (eight to continue. He could not
mid/ retand the inconsrstency that was shown by a.
Givernn nt -with respect to this matter of education
That which they b- ved to he good and es:ential it
one ease, they repudiated in ano. her Their teinsciiiree
appeared to vary with the position of the places respect
jog which they attempted to leeislete. As he had -.aid
betese, they never c iuld hope to conciliate Trebled
th-• p•e-e'.t ins T.:4)4y was allo•ved to continue.
Let tht m place eve-v creed upon the same footing v, it d
rest, et to t. e honours and f.moluinents J,f the colleg.--
ii. 11,ib iit. and they might dip tal upon it that discer.-
tent w ul t rapidly d o a, ay.
Mr. SH 1W heliesed that this motion had heen
brought forward for the purpose of alien eting funds lent
the ohjeets for which they wt r, originally intended.
Trinity College was founded by a Protestant Queen,
Protestant fu rub:, and f r purely Prote,tant piirpre• s
'T'his hol often been repeat. d, and he would repeat it
wean, and again, for this --imple reason --that the irro.;.
could rot tuo o ften be repeated. There were as I: :u„
Reiman Catholics now in the University of Del•lin
there were formerly, and he did not wish that the Ranier.
Cethelics should be d•prived of the advantages of wade
mical education. The Hon. Gentleman who had br ught
forward this motion lied taunted him with being 'goo.
rant at everything connected with the government or tilt
University ..f t le lied, however, had eensiderable
xp• rience in that University. He hied taken his degree
Duet .r of Laws there, and hal two sons who entered ii.
an! consequently he must he somewhat acquainted with
its internal tnanagiennnt. The Honourable and Learned
Gentleman then a ens into details respecting the salaries
of the prefes.ori and fellows, which he defended on
the ground of the onerous duties they had to perform.
The senior fellows had more ti ne for literary pursuits ;
the time of the juniors was wholly taken up in teaching
the s•udents, and every one of them was fictively en
gaged in giving lectures and instructing the scholars.
There was also another ditty which the junior fellows
had to perform. The divinity students had to attend
two peers, anti the junior fellows. besides their ordinary
duties, had to instruct these students. He had, there-
fore,. disposed of two of the objections which had been
raised aeainet the f. flows, lie would say that the Go-
vernusent could not violate the fusels, without &thee
gross injustice to the intentions of the donors who had
endowel the college.

Mr. SH Kr f. entirely coincided with his Hun. Friend
the Member frr Kerry that the members of the three
Pr" • f.xsions of theology, I,w, and medicine, shoul4 nut
stard distinct. They started tog,ether in the same field of
the sublime language of the
life and, if he might e '
great p 'Pt w h ,se remain. were now entombed in the ad
jac nt l•att., deal, he wonld say.
" I.e,ving t'ae , with no blot on their name,
L ke,t orund yto H- avert, from the death-hed of fame."
They I,.ved a,cl hey w.tdd di.. together. Surely, in the
murai-eg of lsf., syr.en the sweetest, and finest, and most
trie,,dshp were formed, which would last
e itodans for directing those fei-lings
initzht r•jeeteil. %Without the atd of reliujous
1•'1"e'"1"" s cular edocati n aced(' he perfec,ly use-
c—. The y. u h was tran-ferred frum his hom,, a.nd
was no loner und. r the care of that best or all sentinels,
parental love, It was perhaps in ieligion that a little
leaving was dangerou4, ror it was in silent monitions of
a well ground d reheious fe..l:ne, proha' ly first incul-
cated by q. moth r, and sustained ty the exhortations of
the ,ccl• siatrcal advis r, that the rash and headstrong
passions Of you. h were restrained, Thee statements
and !he t;ov.-rntn nt had not pro
were not Imaginary,
• d fur them Toe) ha not guarded avai, st, it R,
i„t tt onution, ',light to have been made the 13,isis
.he '4‘ stein. Tho I ;or rhin nt 011 et I•a,, mad,.
• .n 0 e ar.,ond,.ork on v,had-• the wire heme
should be fund d The R ‘man Catholic bishop, had
„..lce.l the Giivi rnirwit• t-, en-et Cow h ,ii• ',Tel, as
n Protestant. Th- Right lion. G, mail the :-,ecre-
ta for the floir,e Depai tii.ent had sail that chaplains
IntlNt he appointed for the Unitarians and other sects.
Vt'a., he aware of the fact tl• at in Irel-nd there were only
500 000 Presb) terians, 40,000 Unitarians. 180,000 Pro-
t, scents, and up lards of 7.000,000 of Rowan eatho-
And re', looking at th-se facts, he said it was
nee fisorV p-•, ide r he Unitarians. Why,
~;. d rohol.c c!‘splains • ught
Priit,,staot,
to 411)"i • c • 0,16 t religion b,
est cut, when, compared with which, every other object