The Sun.
London, England, 1826-05-05 00:00:00

STATE OF THE NATION.

Mr. HUME rose to bring for Ward his motion on this' subject,
pursuant to a notice whieb bad been given two • months since.
He began by disclaiming any intention of interfering . with the
measures of Ministers.., Their acts, with the exception of those
Which regaided the expenditure of the countfy, were in general
such us slforded bin greet pleasure; and aecordinglyhe often
Voted with them. lie wished however to. remove a delusion
.with regard to the financial: state of the country, which had
pruned 'ruinous to many classes of the people .Every part of
his statement 'would be sufficiently clear, except the details con.
nected withthe Sinking Fund, -which were, so important, that
be would reserve them for sepu.ate consideretion. For the
,tititio. alterations .whicb
"had taken place-in the country'varions
opinions had ,en offered. Some attributed •theni' to the. *tate
of the. Currency,: other* to the Corn Laws, and others assigned
other causes: -• would not say that they were all wrong ;
perhaps some truth might be found'in' the reasoning .of each ;
but it was necessary to know.the real situation of things, before •
any. one . tould undertake.. to . propose a remedy. On this
queStion he took a different vlvw from • Ministers, and in coffin-
dering he.wonld confine himself 40 the period which inter-
vened since January,l6l7; bedfast? Wore that time the financial
accounts • Of, %Engluall-and 'lreland Were kept separate, and conse-
quently were more confinied and obteure than they subsequently
• became. 'The 'Chancellor of the Exchequer had slated, that
there was a reduction of, three millions in .the amount of the
Oldie debt ; but ,that atetement• he .thought •was erroneous.—
in 1810, n mistake ,of two millions had ocean-et!, which.
was not ,pereeived ••until he (Mr. Hume) discovered it' in
examining. the financial accounts, • end credit was taken for a
reduction -to that amount up -to the time of examination. As
to the Debt, the public were ,under an impression that a reac-
tion greater than was really possible- had taken place.. Oirthe sth
of,Jannury, :1617, the funded debt amounted to 796,000;0001.
and the unfunded to '50;000,006/., the whole being 846,000,000?.
On the sth, of-Jan,'lB26, the funded debt-Wei/78,00%00a and
the unfunded 41,600,0001. •tnakipg in all 819,000,4061.. Hence-
it
." appeared that -thel'e was a decrease in capital of 27.000/.
Since the year 1617 there was a reduction in capital to the
amount of 20,1300/. . Out . of 2,986,000/. the ;rishiction on the
annual charge of the funded and unfunded debt,-'a retkiction of
2,242,0001. took place, without any reference. to surplus revenue.
The . total revenue for ,the- Stine years was M 1,26605864 and,
the amount of expenditure was 608,308,614/. which showed the.
surplus of revenue to be 22,636,922 i. ; and this,. with- the monies
paid by 'Austria Rini the , 'lndia Company, • enme up
25,965,539/. which - might; be -diaposed'•of for the redemption,:
of the debt exclusively of' 'slime-. paid', by the :Bank of !Eng-
land for what was caliaithe -dead --weight hum. The ,total
Amount -of taxes:, rtceive4 41011*,:Tre!trry for, the nine years
teas 631,000,904„ aid ,211,,, 0,0001. bad been paid during the
114' 'Athena ,'-of •the civil and military ex-'
ponces ' of - the nation. " The' Hance of monies • in rthe-Pie,
6044 her ; 18/*414%s 1i.313,040/., and in• the same
month of-this year 'it was W Welt glowed a ileereasec
of Vi.07.402L; ),ni.000,001, was to throw dust in: the .eyes of,
itteetliteiio‘uVghho (hit there'ivas a sinking fund':to that
did not exceed twoluillionsiMilit half jar

any one year.' Any man would naturally have supposed that the
nation was: growing and that the debt, ,was,lessenettlay
124,006,b00t glut such was not the fact:. •Duting that time
98,000,000/. were borrowed,. and ?tilv tifeht was increased by
.128,009,009/. It appeared, 464 1ti1it1,16,0001,00,0/. out of the
124,009,060/. -Went to the Oirnuilti;iinnettiiiiiir 4fhl Sinking 'Fund.'
In the year 1819 the Chancellor fiehifiuer.borrowed.
millions, to prop up the Fes* Walking system ;. the Gentle'-
men who were disposed to bid IT. this loan' of course sold out so
as to depreciate stock; but iClialAiiglieeu suggested 4 the
Hon. Member for Penrhyn that it would be better to take up
only twelve millions, the bidders, 'as soon as they heard this,
rose in their offers to 39/., or full 8 per cent., 'w:-ich was a most
important 'saving toy the Public on that transaction only ; but he
bad no hesitation in saying, that by borrowing in this way in
order to mystify the prtweedings of Gwernment and prop up the
Sinkins, Fund, notTless than between txo and three hundred ma-
lions of nominal' 'capital had been ad led, together with its very
heavy charge, to the amount 'Of our N itional Debt. -Much good
would
~:.)e.slotte if the principle of simp!ifying the public accounts
were carries?, into effect to the extent recommended by the Hon.
Member for Abingdon. 'The Honourable Member went into a

minute exa►nination of that Funded -Stock commonly called the
Dead Weight, which alone had proved the means of wantonly
throwing out of the pocket of the public no less than 1,600,000/.
Might not this be as well applied to some beneficial national pur-
poses, if not to the immediate reduction of 'tans? The Govern-
ment had been going on from time to time, reducing one stock
by creating another. He contended that an end ought to be put
to the re-Purchase of three per Cents, under any circumstances,
after they bad rl,ien beyond a certain amount-so that Govern-
ment should never be allowed to play any hocupocua tricks,
with this part of our finance.—(Laughing.)--He trusted he had
now shewn the futility of a Sinking Fund. Whilst our difficul-
ties in the monied way were increasing, our produce, whether
in commerce, agriculture, or manufactures, together with the
remuneration for labour in each branch, had more than propor-
tionably declined: He regretted to say that a circumstance had
been disclosed, by the ingenious tables of M. Moreau, accord-
ing to which it would be found, that by referring the exports
and imports to two standards of value, the' actual and the offi-
cial, at the Custom House, we were constantly labouring under
a delusiOn as to the value of our 'exports and imports. He hehl
that all 'classes of society,, including► the country gentleman, the
half-pay, 'the placemun, and all persons of this sort who did not
labour, were totally useless. or non-productive as to the fifty-
eight.millions of taxes requisitefor the vearlr expenditure. It
was,only the arm that wielded the•hamn►er, directed the plough,
or managed the loom or sail, which could be considered really
productive in this sense. The next resolution he had to allude
to was that Which contained the cream of all he had to submit.

It went to state strongly the necessity of an immediate reduction
of our establishments 'generally, and aa a necessary consequence a
general reduction of direct taxation.—(Hear, hear!)--Nothing
could be more fallacious than for the Right Hom Gentleman to
tell the public that 27 millions of taxes had been taken off, when
it must be seen that by altering the standard, and attempting to
restore us to a state of metallic currency, there wits nearly the
same sum paid now into the Treasury that' there had been tot the
average of former years, antecedent to the arrangements in our
finance, which took place upon the.ceasation of hostilities in 1815.
This consideration ought not to have escaped the acumen of the
Right lbw. Gentleman, when he told the House a short time
ago, that the country was in a progressively improving state ;
when he could demonstrate from public accounts that the con-
sumption of articles of necessity and luxury was progressively in-
creasing on 'do ;average of some two or three years. He could
not join in the exultation of the Chancellor of the Exchequer On'
being able to collect tifty-two.millions of money, w1W!: he saw the •
state of destitution and distress into which the agricultural la-
bourers of the country had permaneiitly sunk. This was the
effect of the grinding hand of taxation, and yet year after year
the House was amused with the most flattering, and, he would.
add, the most delusive statements. '.They had heard the Right
Honourable Gentleman boast of ~the increase in the consump-
tion of exinsenble articles 'as an indier:ion• of the ability and com-
fort of the people. • These statements were, without exception,
either altogether opposite to the fact, or grossly exaggerated.
The Honourable Member then Wait into a long and detailed
comparison between the rate of consumption at present, and at
dates more or less remote, of the several articles of malt, distilled
spirits, wine, tobacco, wool, tea, sugar; soap, candles, and other
articles ; and contended that the consumption hail either positively.
fallen off, or hail not increased in any thingilike an,equal !minor-.
tion with thelincrease of population. He excepted the case of tal-
low candles, the increase in the comannptien of which he ascribed
to the misery and.distresi of the people, who could now with dif-
ficult obtain the neeessarim,oflife, even by 'working at late and
unreasonable hours. lie would refer to the state
.of pauperism and'
crime, which had gone on increasing with theit4rease of taxation,
as affording proof positive of the correctness of his opinions. '
.hlut
before he adverted to that part of
,his subject, he ,mast take leave to
say a few Words on the extravagance of Government. lie then com-
pared in great detail. the Army, Ordnance, 'and Navy Estimates,
for seVeral 'years hack, and ,pointed out a progressive 'in-
crease tinder' each head. - He animadverted with . great Warmth
upon the management .'hf'the half-nay of the army, •which
he described .fiti- -a .'eystenv7for the •eontinuation of pensions,
and for affrilin-9virtinent the mems of bribing every
family in the '' touittrY - " The same observations applied
still more strongly. to the 'half
,pay of the Navy. They had
naval .officert balmilicjetatimsinnbers to - command seven such
navies.: as yitslmaiumitS4,; Put (of above five . thousand naval
officers,. they had ,in teat i year* a diminution of only thirty, and
this was aniong4, (h. Lientenants. The number of superior
officers had, lio* fo,iereised; so that they made lilt in weight
rol*
what they wanted ii number. Then let them look at the promo-
tions in the last ten years—they-had in the Navy no less than
1,594 nromiiiiiins. . That 'this WO exolusiVely for the purpose Of
patronage, mas ev.ident from the, very Opposite Course pursued by
Government Ktb,respect to another branch, and 'an equally me-
ritorious li.,,ancli or the service—he meant the corps-Of Marines.
In this corps, consisting of eight or nine 'thousand men, they had
in ten years only. 96 promotions. This partiality would appear
unaccountable,. tilt it was recollected that amongst the officers of
Marina there were no sons of Noblemen or :Members of Parlia-
ment. These circumstances altogether warranted him in the con-
clusion that the whole extravagance of our establishments arose
front the desire of creating patronage of Ministers. Having thus
clearly traced our extravagant expenditure to its cause, the more
painful duty .still remained to follow it. to its consequences,
the general poverty and distress of the people, and the fear
ful increase of pauperism and crime. Hopes had been en.,
tertained, that the improved education of. the, people would
have lessened the amount •of crime, and it unquestionably had
that tendency. :' How . effectually it - had beep counteracted
by the extravagance and the consequent . poverty of the people,
would be apparent from the statements:he was about to submit.
In the year 1815 the whole number of persons committed in
England and Wales was 4,600.... In the year 1825, the number
was 14,44,.shewing an increase in the proportion of almost four
to one.. ..Crime, it had been said, was the child of poverty, and
no doubt the observation was correct. Rut it might be said with
equal truth, that povarty 'was .the' child of exaction. • This
monstroui increase of crime 'then must he laid to the- charge' of
-that House as its author. . He considered taxation to.be•the main
source of all our calamities. He called upon the Right Hon.
Gentlemen opposite „to abate their extravagance if they ins
tended to keep faith with, the public creditor. ' After :eleven
years .of peace.our war establishment was kin kept''
up:. . If rive'
should again have.to enter into tr war, •we -should- commence . it.
in a- state of exhaustion. from the pressure of our present esta-
blishment. He 'acquitted- himself of being any party to the
extravagance which had been indulged, and•trusted that thes7-
lusive statements of the Chancellor of the .EXehequer would vlM-
longer have sufficient influence With the House. to induce it to
tolerate-such prodigality. -.lle'gavelway.lo no gloomy views—lie
was aware of the capability and energy of tim country—but he
called upon the House, in..the natne of policy and humanity, to
• . • ..
repress an extravagance which threatened eventual ruin to the
nation, and which had already sunk all the lower orders of the
people into a state of.the lowest degradation, and. the most de-

..-
plorahle wretchedness. lie should conclude by moving " That
ary humble Address be• presented to his Majesty, praying him to
take into consideration the present .calainitons situation of the
country, ,and that he.would be graciously pleased to direct an in-
quiry into the causes which had produced such wide Spreading
distress, and to ascertain the best means of relieving the country
from its embarrassments."
The '-CIIANCELLOTI of the EXOITEQUER said, that when
lie had stated to the House that,it
dwriasdiinitiitnettillprolploloit'cioloncsk,
and
tliis
mhioarinuinngd
;tlitabtatthethßeyescoonlutsiiostadne oefofthe-tion. Member were put into
were comprised 11127 closely pouted. pages ; and-, that they em-
braeOd itll possible subjects, the Funded and 'Unfunded Debt, the
Sinking fund, the different heads of national expence ; short,
that they embraced all the imaginable tepics'which Were "passible
. to be introduced, or had any relation to the diveriified and
caniPlieitrid aiTairi,of this country, it nolltw,exprieted of
Adm to barylictied,ot such_ noticei foiliftv the. Elm, ..Cientlernan
1.11.q4140 rnasen.ol4lll'.,ef:4lY! wandered. It wag/ 1?.
"..th„9,14.,g,,,;,147.timciiie physical.,
_andiVenlidAttbergy of man to acemii-
nuin'thill'itirtheffoniie hint' if he did not'
ttkeiipo °''` I would not tuadrtaltii,iiii(reply to the inset multi 4;
L Plit,Nllloll44l,opios (.linglitnutti'_ bad 1,-,

d, ~,, .•„, ..
tere aria the 'House would pardon him for this determination,
for if he were to enter!upon so wide a leld of discussion, it would
beiimposeTt Ajtvenny explanation of a satiefactory or even of
anintelligi le turE • He declared that when' he had read this
fointidalde it -raf reialutions, he had no conception that 'they'
4
,wtilt" terminate in a motion for itt Address to the Crow* 'of
whiCh•the whole scope and tendetiO'nAithed' to be a reduition,al
taxation. When,
,hoWever, - tlieS€ Ai*.ltithing -' were put to
h;s hand, fearful ' (es Were thee ~ .. aliens, and horrible Atif';
was their aspect, lie thought ft *kits look into theft liti,
order to see how 'far he Could aid' firs'l-Y whether he should 4*,
, , - ~.
compelled alei rlier to deny their npetiracy. In his first reh,
solution, the ` AT Member bail Charged him with misleadft
the tionse,lickairectly it was true; but what signified that,-
if an imputation wee cast upou a man, the anode of castingit was
of little importance. He was plainly charged either with gross
ignorance of that which it was leis duty to know, • or with
:wilful and deliberate fraud. Now this charge he must beg leave
to 'contradict, and he must further say that the very Things
with which lie was charged were to be Luna in the resolution
itself. He must in the first instance disclaim any 'responsibility
for thipublished report of his speech to which the; Heim-Gentle-
man had resorted to as an authenticated ststeli• He was not
answerable fur one word of that account. He ha nothing what-
ever to do with the publication of it. It had note either directly
or indirectly, proceeded from, or been sanctionecUbYhim. Yet
upon the strength of this Report the Honouriible Member had
contrived to charge him with wilful and deliberate fraud.—
He repelled the aspersion, and he repeated that the Resolution
itself contained a statement 'which was -Jot true. He
would read the ResolutimL: It was iu these Werds;--" That
the assertions made to this House by the Chancellor of the Ex-.
chequer, on the 3d March, 1823, that a teductinn of 24,766,5201.
on the capital of the Public Debt, had been affected by the opera-
tion of the Sinking Fund,:from the termination of the war up to
the sth of January, 1823 ; and again on the 18th of March, 1826,
that a further reduction of 'the Public Debt of 18,401,0001. had
been effected between sth. January, 1823, and sth Jan. 1826,
making together a reduction of 43,167,5201. in the capital of the
Public Debt since the termination of the war are not consistent
with the, accounts before the Ilouse, as appears by the facts con-
tained in the following resolution." For the accuracy of these
documents, laid before the House from a department at which he '
was at the head, he of course was answerable ; therefore the charge
againit him in the terms of the resolution was sufficiently direct
and distihct. His answer to the charge was, • that he had never
used the language imputed to him by the resolution. That the
amount of debt was reduced to this extent lie had stated,. and he
had stated it ' truly. But he had never said it was so reduced by,
the operation of the Sinking Fund. So far from this lie had,
fr on an apprehension, that some mistake might arise, taken special
cure to state that it was not, and in proof of this he would refer
to the reports. It was his duty to propose a resolution to the
House to simplify the Sinking Fund, and he had proeeeded to ex-
plain what the state of the funded delft was. The Sinking Fund'
had not been mentioned by I inn as having operated the reduction of
debt, of which lie spoke. And, indeed, it was impossible that he
could have meant that debt to the amount of 24,766,5201. lied
been redeemed by the Sinking,Fund. He compared the then existing
amount of 'debt, with its amount ut the period when it was at
its maximum, and he stated that in point of fact an actual
diminution of debt had taken place, which, although not con-
siderable; was yet enough to shew that some progreist hail been
made, and that to a certain extept a surplus of revenue existed.
Between the sth of January, 1815, and the sth of January, 1823:
a diminution of funded debt to the extent of nearly twenty mil-
lions, and of unfunded debt to the extent of considerably above
four millions, had been effected. The amount reduced was
in point of fact accurately stated by him to a single farthing,
but' that he ascribed it' to this ,operation of the Sinking Fund
was untrue, and even imptisible. He had taken particu-
lar Pains to prevent any misapprehension alien this subject.
And now the Honourable Member thought, fit to charge him
With having propagated delusitiii. He would say that the Hon.
Member had no right to embody a censure of this nature in kre-
solation, drawing . his materiels only from an unauthorised re-
port of his speech. The wholf• proceeding of the Hon. Member
was Most extraordinary. He embodied the condemnationin his
first 'resolution, and then re*rii for the grounds of it to the ;
facts alleged in a following resolution. Suppose the House to
adopt the first resolution, it would be a resolution without
any Parliamentary ground, ' till after they had adopted the i
folloWing one, which they might after all perhaps reject--
No Man was ever, surely, condemned in so clumsy a manner ;
and yet, so enamoured was the lion. Gentleman of this logical
mode of proceeding, that if Hon. Members
,yould have the
goodness to refer to No. :31, thi../ would again find him re•
sorting to it. That resolution stated, that the repeated asser.:
tions made in this Ilouse that there bad been a diminution of
taxation since the termination of the war, was deliisive and fat-
ketone, as would appear iby the facts hutted in the ?following.
resolutions. So, by this very accurate and , loEieul mode of
argument, he was to lie condemned for fallacious reailoning.—
itdlaekalleani
reigiiri
dotdtnyi tracen
inuitllicieli
which
achoen wtethroughpilinytiaollain4o*.t.
It WAS impoissible to follow the • Honourable Gentle Man in the
ditHvasisciltiliri'ri gse iileanbfilleigertahuitritsileiihicgeoeniolfaiufselt
much a task. He was ready to exelaire-- Chaos is come ' 4 "
....-Let them then leek back, to thre sesoudtgitukuipn. , 144 *tato-
inept of the; reduction of debt. had been Inuit with referepee
to that period, svhen the debt was at its highest *mount, viz.
the year 1816. In the Resolution, No. 2, the lion. Member
very dexterously and ingeniously exclude& that year, and makes'
his comparison from the 'year 1817. His talcelations did not
therefore apply to the .eiane period as those they were intended
to contradict. His statements,o from the period to which they
applied, were literally true. This error vitiated the whole of
the resolutions of the Hon. Member. The Hon. Member, after
speaking for two hours on the Sinking Fund and the: Public.
Debt, had very , coolly said he would not enter fully into the
subject now. It was impossible to follow the Honourable Mem-
ber. On some future occasion he might perhaps be: enabled
to give better explanations. When he should be favoured 'with
such a notice as to make him aware, to enable hint at least to give
a guess at the intentions of the Honourable Member, he might,
perhaps,, justify his conduct more fidly. He was not however,
aware that it was any part of hieduty to justify the' conduct of
any Chancellor of the Exchequer for the last forty years. The
Hon. Member had attacked Mr. Pitt and all succeeding Chancel-
lors, and. had represented the Sinking Fund as if its only object
had; been to mystify the financial affairs of the country. All the
'lion. Member hail said about borrowing with one band and pay- ,
ing with the other, was quite inapplicable to him. He had aim-
plified the Sinking Ftnid, and caused its nominal and real amount
to correspond. :4nce the time of Mr. Pitt a great change of cir-
cumstances had taken place, and a great change also in the minds
of many very intelligent men. But, at all events, it would be time
enough for that lion. Gentleman to apply the charge of mystifying
the public accounts by means of the Sinking Fund, when he should
apply to the House to reise a loan for the sake of keeping up that
Fund. , He was unable to perceive any temptations Government
coultrhave.to mystify or obscure the national accounts. Nothing
could he more agreeable to him, or would tend more to relieve
him from trouble end toil than having the acconnts in such
state that the balance sheet of the nation might be intelligible to
any one on a cursory perusal of half an hour. To this propoei-
tionlifsiinplicittend elearnists he could riot hope to attain. When
the great amount and the various sums of our revenue; and the
Aivereified nature of our expenditure was considered ; when the
number of laws which apply to our finances, and the -number of
Year. over which our accounts extend, were taken into, view, he
feared such facility to those who seek to usnlorstend the &Tema',
of the nation would nester be afforded.
_ile.s]muld he most happy
if he could devise any method or adopt any
suggestion for render-
ing tle accounts so easy and simple, that the attacks he should
have hereafter to encounter from the Honourable Gentleman might
be. mote intelligible.—(Hear, hear.)—But he was accused of
encreasing the taxation upon the oountry every year. Ile thought
he had done the reverse. Since the time when hesntered into the
office he now held, taxes bad been repealed to the amount of eight
;edintil,mecuwl7:l4
beneficialll el* e bthothbohgwedholtoe community. He
millions and a half. Still, however, says the Hon. Gentleman, the
rc,cifetrirtrhylg.
same amount is collected, and therefore there is no relief to the
tonteheweffmeletj
brought back . the duty to what it was in the years 1801 and
cif
frefoutiee trehdisuncotitoionnofodf
duty
ye
upon wine.
Genti Gentleman,
1802, and what was . the consequence? That the revenue fell
off in proportion to. the . reduction of duty ?. -No: the effect
i 4 if 4
was, that the revenue suffered very little, because the consump-:
fain was increased. Did not this show that the publie derived
of the reduction wh'ci it ha
reduction ? Eveiy man svlui could, drank a
go without, .was
by the change. It was in this way that laenii(ool.avtttaatlnenlyktaoefgbenewiue,ifiterifioectine
unable to contend with persons who assumed extraordi-
narywas
propositions, 'each as the lion. Gentleman laid down.
;With
t to thaenttinfloptiolt of spirits, he had not said the eon-
=Tee. • 1,546: ‘+l. eferen .
sumption of
~,‘ ,i,.r...,F,,, r.o. to the consumption of the
re-
duction of duty proved
• the contrary; finding irdiminished, he
preceding year.
lowered the duty, and the consumption bad got up. But they
11(fergliP)011 04 ilrffi#9•7l44, , 11,,beneOt to be derived from the
aimmiPne,, It to ~,re:tetl' 'to last year, and the duty
lowered in Jaintary.V de year. ' the Honourable Gentleman
.riiiilit :ii6Filniilt:_ .i
111114Heitkitiet tOnsuniption. ' He admitted
there had boos no increase in the- oonsumption 011104

therefore the duty was reduced , but the Honourable Gentle-
man was not supported by the fact, wheat 'he said that the li
alteration in the duty had not been attended by any beneficial
result. The Hon. Gentleman had found fault with him for'hav-
ing, in three successive years, stated to the House the increase
,of consumption of articles, and the increase of the revenue.—
The Hon. Gentleman thought, because he (the Chancellor or
the Exchequer) congratulated the 'low* on the increase of the '
revenue that he deprived pleasure from taking money out of the
pockets of the people. Nothing could be more distant front
his feelings. He was not the man to exult in that part of hie.
duty which called for supplies. He had endeavoured to cone
"wince the House in his statement, that the condition of the
people was that of improvement. As the country preeious tie
1822 had been in distress, he adduced the consumption of articles
to prove that distress had been decreased. He proved that an in- '
crease had taken place in the consumption of articles used in these
parts of the country where distress had been most felt. lie had
called on Gentlemen to prove, from their own observations, that
the state of the country was improved. He culled on them to say,
whether the scenes of confusion and bloodshed, occasioned by dpi-
tress, had not given way to a more proeperous state of things, sad
whether the people in general were not more happy than they had ... -
been. The Hon. Member said it was all flummery and flourish.' ..-
ing, because he had described the revenue of 1824 to have in-'
creased that of the preceding year. .It was so, and what better
proof could he give of the increase of happiness and comfort among
the people, than the proof that there had been an increase in the
consumption of articles necessary for their support. Why did he
take the year 1825 ? said . the Hon. Gentleman. The answer
was, his object was to shear the public that Government and par-
' Bement had made a considerable reduction of taxes. Ile proved
there had been a reduction of taxation systematically carried t
on, and that it 'had been coupled with an increase of cos.
sumption. The Honourable Gentleman had complained that he
had brought forward wool when no real advantage had been de-
t
rcoimn,iorvauiedfonini
sr:flit...rt.:you::
atarantntiids,l7ll:essithTareco,r tpinrintelosedvtie!gtedli
ntt:ghlerteleherreihvgradietn.
great
hsnmellailheinen,cairs,
aedastheae
of
iflsastc commodities
otof ii,o,thpfritipitreez ,
tion, he was entitled to say there had .been that increase, and that
it proved the advance of public prosperite. The lion. Gently
man
an011"tt; I
mined that L,sAtc„ nit 3 not Wu...prepared to go into a 'detail of the.
'butt this"
_.
hc,
wt4.hovei)i.iedauj'ajdev:.—:v ohhtf,tisehxteitrtienonjtilsitt.tleu,no,sre‘.umllraleil.eiti ,
who were accused oktritateful. expen:liture bad a most difficult
,
duty to discharge, iappOrtioning suns to the items of pubfa;
service. The Hon*. Gentleman had none of that awful respOwi-
bility which pressod-upon the Government. The cheers iu slo •
oiety, and events which might unavoidably occur, rendered it
accessary to provide for the welfare of the country, and it would
be a neglect of duty if they did not insure the happiness and pro-
tection of the public upon a proper scale.—(hear.)--Any os'
who who would take the trOuble.to analyze the question, wee.°
say that Government had tot -proposed any force or expenCr
for the protection of the country and the colonies, which was net
necessary. In those matters which the Hon. Membei'considered
a subject of address to the Crown, they had invariably shewn that
the force required was necessary. The Hon. Member always re-
eolved every public man's conduct with whom he was iii oppost".
tion into an immoral feeling. Thu.' merle of decision wee 0
Hon.ne:,
taunt to the on. Gentleman, that be kthe Chancellor of the
Exchequer) was quite Callous ; but it was' galling to hear the
lion. Member ascribe to all the Government illiberal. reotiv't
He did not know what there was in the Hon. Gentleman's inioai
but he could not speak of the actions of ony one on the rilio6teri„'
side of the House without ascribing some improper feeling.
tie'
was not anxious to defend himself, but his hope was, that -
tlemen might not allow themselves to he the silent objects of Ow
attacks. it was impossible to answer all the matter of ':tta dausl.,
introduced by the Hon. Member. No man could vote for the el
resolution if he had any justice, and if not the first, tbel,c,,":,,
not vote for any of the rest. He should not consent to the soldier,,
moved by the Honourable Member. It was the duty of P"cr:
went and Parlirment to state to the Crown, that diairesses Pr':
veiled in the coun, but the Him Gentleman was not entitled to
charge his Majesty'stry Ministers with want of common honeety, Ir.
cause they' did not happen' to gees' with him in what ought !ee::
the scale of public. expeucc.- Although it WAS his duty t0...°1a3_,..
to the address of the lion. Gentleman, there was no indiffc rese;:
on the part of his Majesty's Milliliters tea the distreeses and stn
ferings of the country. , 4,ni. maw who ,iiii'v those, itufferit4:!tle
who did not feel, mpat. lie., lead jhan man. The address t
mill4l:llllll.l:tirit.:lerißme:R.:::(eGwlcahHasem.oleEi.::::ffism4ththirtef
n‘girrhiitstivienthou6
..'ll..xig;ilietillo,n.ll:Geeniittleil.mbeeatintiii,::oll;
Gentleman complained that the resooloolis DWI MIZAn.::)
had
it
into his hands early in the day. .'
Ho ' nor,`:anogut, when he
greater cause of complaint, for'
tileimade in the form of a bpeecb, surprise;
wtotulaad
linaieve lion.
coguthldonitiotgalhltownohnie.
61-i,nonit.emYraiertileillhxt
yl':ecurlllatisnvgliv.nedblefferto::ttli'beu,:;,i7:47:°l.f
Friend taken a different cour.e, •
`'With respect
Gentleman, t
have been given to the Right ILO.
.taklelnritubyretp: . to impute
an intestlint
to the fleet resolution, it was mid there was . . lie was
eitation .
to the. Right Hon. Cattlemen e wilful, misrepreeL .„ ,tennea
ling Ine '"
convinced his lion. Friend meant no' such t i .
.u.elic, ~...,.,.....
Was to state that two persons' had made different till,: Larravi4jo
{Here Mr. Hume addressed something to Mr: /3so ST:',01000
induced that Gentleman to say,. ",My lion• Friel
Vial. 00
me the honour to attend to. rue."—(A laugh.).—
a tlti Illin.
I.earned Gentleman thee defended ' the correctrieee , ,....,a4
Member for Aberdeen. The resolution had not been
.rieuni"ber
and not teown:?ion,t's notice viol& .
huouiP;ransehliefs, sprinted
itaiemseasPeecalthinhbiuthtbaultitin
' He understood the -sinking In aw;
against the Government. •
Withrespect to publics olve'
no lototer in ,high estimation.,
... ea,
ing Fund, his Honourable Friend lied. txoneratitlTl;liitlif:fl'idg:it:slll;:.
there appeared touch co-- , ~ . , tiblic
ow
maintained by loans,
.afundi...oli thereforen
lance-sheet might not be kept. He was convince(' p ow
11:::ettei:ethe System. i fe,, 1
.;i:et
with the Chancellor of the Exchequer; and not with }pia
t 01.,„
cobeunmtnadem. might
able,
resbepecttter I.ctoept,thwetds'ulbljecttheorassitastsaatin:ofntth:ei,"::
Friend. Taking 52,000,0061. as the bum levied in taxa lo
0;
!mumble Member for Abingdon, a :::eecioocanulmsdeimn'paLrolBee:lll:ll
diminution,
1000,0001. This calculation allowed for a depreciated arrncs,
instead of 27,000,000 t, ',Medd he little more_
peepopartefoliatineuthe itiootoiotntoofdrhaiswHfroonn; Fthreiepl,ro,o,..ici:
people might be effectitally relieved: ; 0 re'
"00:
jetiiiegwas7.3nohotlioech.
jeldsauun s
itHieLltr.mwirb.aesr\difesAorrroi‘EutoßLsnotfri.osisay' r.o;Haaienficoea,vsnstwia,dolitroduedsdiitclhavelli:ftuodrterneica"titlonatielati:ti:ii:odise'
Hon. Member correct. .. '' .
necessary, so that the burthens .
the Ora
Mr. ROBERTSON rose to give his opinion 41)°,P .sated
tion, but the cry of " No,. Nu! Question, Question ! P
the Hon. Member from being heard. ' . ,-`"-
Mr. lIIMIE rose to reply.
Mr. ROBERTSON said his motion for adjourtinieut
_..
toy
seconded, and the Hoitee ~suusit dispose of it.
', s.
'The CHAIRMAN intituatedr that he had not unders7
motion was seceeded., - i
PO'
'Alderman lIBYGAI'E.haid he had seconded the I.°o'
ber's motion. . ~..„ ....i ..: : 4;, 4 / P. .: ,
td. t , .01 in-
•
; . Mi. HUME. tistn cAPtiMI,4I hit.,reply, and dischunt
rs atletosr.
tentiqu to. he personal wititrpocet -to the Right Hon. ‘fie. ‘, 11,0- '
- . .
Mr. Alderman HEYGATErrose midst loud ale' of itina or
. tion.” He assured the Utilise thi'at he only seronded the mi"
041,
I .Adjournment, because lie'fbinight 'it would afford hitn‘at r
F "ThitYFe.o°lfirilnaoritheokni:iogmof:aAofintdijitvo:°rn:b::_rn'ien'attr,kar,gas..."--(tiegaLtuivreddi:viiigtlhioteurt's) tlivi°ll.
t The House then divided, when there appeared— ' ':,l
• - - r
t Against it • 7 - - 'iJO I
01
..-- i ~.
~... 4 w..
! . The other Orden' of the Day -were then disposed d' Ai'
House adjourned-at Half-past Oue o'Clock. ..,. r

PARLIAMENTARY PROCEEDINI'

HOUSE OP i:X/MAIONS.-(1111S \'')

ORDEIIg OF THE PAY.
1. East India Naval Force I3ill—Tlkitd reading.
2. Prison Laws (Irdand)ll—Third reading, a
3. Holyhead Road Bill—Committee.
4. I)cbtat and Creditor .A rrangetnent
tion of Revirt.
5. Yorkshire Election Rill—Thir I rcarllty. • -• ,
6. Alehouses 14e-eons 13111 Second reading.
7. Benefices (Ireland) llill-=Cowifiee. atatiiiron°
8. Corn Lawi Act:tat-let.: 4. c.r 601 tt
=Cutnoctee
9. Silk Duties !till—Report.
10. Corn Laws Act—RepaillPere"PPß•
11. Registre,gmnrAgiAtna ready* •
12. Geittterk?thill' IWtlihrlkWi'BilL-= Report.
134'. RarisfrAyiitiPtint
14. Alerchant Settmetages 111-IThiril reading.
15:Valuaticen otliiiiidaMLlTltird reading.
16. YeotaaPtY,CorPi'llWrrAclMl.

PRIORS OF STOCKS
Bank Stuck `,OO 199
3 per Cent. Red...,77 # 6 7
3 per tent. Cone. , 771
3k pet Cent.
Ihtto Red.
4 net 'ent. 'New 93i -4
4 per Cent. Scrip
Bank I,nng, ... 188 11-10
India Stock 2129
Ditto Band% ........ 0 10 pm.

PRICES OF FOREIGN V
Aurrrisus 11(1s, 5 per cent—.
Brazilian MIR 45
ituentis Ayres lids
Ciiilian lld,. ti per ez. 41 40 1
!Ids
no. 184
°Ankh, 3 p. et.
iireek Bas
IMO
Gustriarala - •
31exiran Bils.
lln• 1825