The Sun.
London, England, 1819-05-18 00:00:00

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thosight of g7anting any thin g th'e :Catholics
without sulticiept security.

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The Earl of CARNARVOiI condenlned the eon-,
duet of Government on this ftl).jcct.: They had,
all at once admitted the CatholicS to all the offices:
of the army—they had pm the sword cuto their`
hinds, and now denied them adthission to'civil
offices. Ao to the King's Supremacy, he did not'
understand in• what, sense the recognition of it

was demanded from the. Catholics. They were
willing to acknowledge the Protestant Church as
the Established Religion of the Empire, and the ,
King as the Head of the Protestant ,
What more could he required Was the King to
be not only the Head of the Established Church,
but of all Sectaries The argument was absurd.
The Duke of WELLINGTON said, he considered
that the whole of this qtiestion turned. on the ek•
pediency of removing the disabilities from the
Irish Roman Catholics, and what 'concessions
could be safely made. As a.means of inquiry, a
Committee 'wts propOsed. The whole question
turned upon the degree of security which could
he given to the . Protgs,karn 'Religion. as- by law.
established in letJand. To consider, this it was
necessary to 'coUsider hogs, the Refbeination liad
been established in Ireland.- It 'waS" not ne-
cessary for bim to recall. to 'their :Lordships'
remembrance Olt the onrefottned Religion bad
beet eitablisbed in lyeland by the SWoed. This
'was fresh in the recollection bf the'•people of
Ireland. Keeping in view that the Irish Roman
,Catholic Church, under all oppressions, continued
in. the same state-7,-the Pope has iog the same
influence over the Clergy—the clergy the same
power over the people this state of things,
he would ask, whether it was coosidered that
Roman. Catholics could be safely admitted to hold
seat's'in ParliaMent ?--(Hear, hear,- hear !)..—Up-
on this he put the'questio'n—the influence Which.
this religion had over the people, and the desire
with which they must he animated to recover the
possenions and property of ',Welt they bad I:i.en
stripped' by the Reformation. It was, however,
said, that securities were offered on the part of
the Roman Catholics. The Pope, it seemed,
had, in the appointment of Bishops, relinqnished
all to the Crown, except the'rnerely 'conferring a
spiritual blessing. But how had this concession
been received by the people of Ireland 1 It had
excited the utmost discontent, and was regarded
as an abandonment of the essential principles of
their religion. Considering, then, that the whole
question turned upon the degree of security
which could be given, and looking at the va-
rious securities which had at several times been
proposed, Ice had never yet seen any thing
that came up to his notion of .that which ought
to he reeired. As to what had been said of the
domestic nomination of Bishops, he did not see.
hOw the laws of the country -Could operate upon
it so as to make it an adequate security. Then
as to...the oath of altegiance which the Bishop"
was to take, of what avail could it he that the
law required this oath from a Bishop, who 'was
appointed God knows bow, or by whom.? When
all those circumstances were considered—the state
of the Irish Catholic Church—the way in whiCh
the Reformation .had been effected—ihei'rivalry
and enmity between the Catholics and the Est a-
- bfisked Choi ch , trod the inadeqmicy Of all seen-
•ritiei• which bad been proposed, the're was
enough to decide. the question.‘ The first and
grealest duty of the Legislature was. to secure the
eirablisitments as settled at the'Reitolution..
Earl DARNLEY did not consider the question in
the same light ips:the,Nohle Duke, who appeared
to have taken it in ain view. Such.
security as had ijeen contemplated he did not
consider necessary; With security, or without se-
curity, he Was. ready to go into a conmittee, be-
cause he thought attention to the Clainis of the
Ca holics would be the only means of securing
heir 'attachment it, the Constitution.—(bond
cries of Question, quest ion ! followed the con-
eli sion of the Noble Earl's speech.)
Li;;(1 de DUNSTANVILLE said a few words in
expkilioion.
After which, the Qaestion being loudly called
)e, the House divided—

CONTENTS. NON-CONT,ENTS.
Present
Proxies - st; Proxies

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Majority againt. the Motion 4
After which the Honse adjourned, at Half-pas'
One o'ClOck.