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ards returns were ordered by the House, and by
hem he learned that the Bill of the Noble Lord (Stan-
e would materially diminish the franchise ;
made up his mind that he would no
t
.o p 5 sung support it. It was idle in those days
in
r men down in, their opinions, or fetter
them too closely in their actions. He did
ti
not Wish to trouble the House with his interpreta-
on of the Catholic oath, but he must be permitted to
express his regret :Lh thoutpt proper at the Noble Lord (Stanley) had
-to allude to it. —(Hear, hear.) He
fe°lll " agree that the Catholic Members banded to-
ether in ':,iat House for the purpose of injuring the Pro-
ssestaut Church; on the contrary, they relinquished for
Them'ttwo years the advantages their position gave
s, for the purpose of pursuing their favourite sys-
Gsetii of agitation. The great point now was what the
overnment proposed to do. Ile wished the Right
honourable Baronet (Sir R. Peel) would take the
same course in regard to the Irish Church that he had
;pc in regard to commerce ; and he particularly de-
red that he would announce his intentions. If he
would make from time in time in that Church the same
6,lteady and safe alterations and ameliorations as he had
. rdone our commercial code, the difficulties now
Perieneed in Ireland would soon begin gra-
tantlasn, ,to disappear.—(Hear, hear.) He did not
--" the late Government with not carrying the ap-
' ssts°Priation clause into effect. The Noble Lord,
ril
he found he could not' carry it out, very wisely
:ss*octoned it. The Catholic question stood on quite dif-
`t'llarFat grounds from this motion, which involved a most
reSt attack on the Government.
111'41 Hon. Members here rose together, but the
Peal‘t_ke_r_ca,lled on
five '. asISBORNE, who seid he did not think that, after
than ri.ighte debate, the point was much farther advanced
al:mu was at first. It was almost unavoidable that it
-." be so. In the speeches that had been made by
vtaetabers of the Government—and he did not under-
„Vac their merit—they had claimed for themselves
laiearY,g°od intention with regard to Ireland; they had
isof rLaim to kindness and calmness in their general
„ 'eY and to fairness in their administration of justice,
went impartiality as
ihspartiality in the distribution of the. Govern-
soliti patronage. 'I hese were their intention Hoe_
all natlitoeutssiversally stated by travellers and writers f
nation ' who had visited Ireland, that there was no
be in the world with whom a little kindness
Irtns,ls° far as with the Irish people. As far as the ad-
it had measures of the Govcrnment had gone
has" laid claim to kindness, forbearance, and impar-
tot ity.
1, On the other side they lied a grateful, a gene-
theland a confiding people; to that character of them
ask Rend
of Dublin had borne testimony. He would.
results'''em whether they found in Ireland the national
of this combination ? They would expect under
stud circumstances to find. Ireland in a state of peace
lisinipresperity. They would expect to find the people
txl) in confidence under such rulers. They would
count' ' to find them enjoying all the blessings which a
raeilTY could enjoy under a beneficent Govern-
must - If this was not the case surely they
1,
the ,°°K on the Hon. Gentlemen opposite as
Rood I°lt unfortunate of men. Surely they were
teed nleo Suffering under adversity-, if all the
to b acts which it was their intention to have brought.
fact tar on the Irish people, bad failed. He saw in this
Isiebia sreater reason for supporting the motion of the
the
./tEk &ford thaninany speech he had heard addressed to
tood-I,°l-I,_se. If the Government had failed, having such
ainiaeTentions, surely it was time for the House to
tehxe-
systelf there was not something radically wrong in sernni
-' by which it was carried on. When theGo-
t' 1,,, " succeeded to office, the first thing they did was
tisalloint to the judicial bench two fierce political par-
res;• • Ile would say nothing with respect to their fe.
smelt' pcsition, or of the excellence of their pri-
tisr, character ; but this the Government could not
aT
ty, that for many years, in that House, they
hoeste 'solo for
partisans. Suppose Mr. O'Connell had
1 tried before Mr. Sergeant Jackson and Baron
Withc:Y' would any one have expected an impartial trial?
ith„tr,"Pect to their other appointments, the defence
%et - ',overnment was this, that though they could
,tioas w„'shed to have appointed Catholics to situa-
'ice of re material did not exist ; among the Catho-
IPpoV`rehuld there did not exist persons fit for these
/errulise-hrnsentg- This was, another calamity of the Go-
'ea in which was oily demonstrative of the situa-
tictlesss'ils,_ which they were placed when they
~Ivas —`", the government of that country. It
ki, ne „Precisely the same with other events.
Atti,,.tnity after another seemed to fall on this un-
tette Government. In the first place, when they de-
take•all„td to try Mr. O'Connell, wishing to show thee
conisii‘ fairness, they determined not to try him by th
Ilacked" 'toe', because they said, they could hese
,„totaro ,'„ l'olv surelthey stemsght have tried him bthe
'Right— Panel without packing it. But perhaps it
sach be that the Government did not wish to establish
siseltea precedent as that of trying a man for a political
they 1 !II Irelandovithout packing the common jury; so
eight 7,Lormined to put off the trial in order that they
eio "as_ve a fair jury. Here, again, calamity followed
' Itith without any fault on the part of the Recorder—
,,t4nitl,any neglect on his part—almost without any
'N'atai-- anY . body, the virtuous intention of the Go-
her ent was again disappointed. By some means or
Allieha certain sheet of the list of the jury was lost, on
' litiele, as the. Recorder of Dublin stated, almost all the
I')t,he„wtere those of Roman Catholics. But they could
lcsea, the extent of the misfortunes that fell on the Go-
rotaisynt till they carne to the striking off of 48 names
laid Lue jury list. When this imperfection of the panel was
co4s7fore the Lord Chief Justice, he said it was of no
....a 5pe,,(1.11.,,eee• The law prescribed the strict mode in which
slos 'lst itry . panel should be formed in Ireland.
11,ot 'Little had not been formed in that manner, it had
'ili • —ll formed according to - law, and yet the Chief
stie„ .
ttiel,aii said it was a good one, at least, it was good
ight-„,,, to try these traversers by. When
.thebfortye-
,Tearo.racs were drawn, the Government—its bowels
taus -sing .te give civil equality to the people of Irelan
kr, es.-`_aiUrY to be challenged, and that excellent person
,„ CRAB struck off nine Catholics..., of whom eight
it
tio
harlier, or contributors to the Repeal fund. But
Mr.bnknownPt°onedthere Was another Catholic on the list,
Illunes out of f 4ellirais' Now, if they struck nine
•
dining, anertifY;tthet there would be thirty-nine re-
conversant any gentlemen in the
oilII:t, conversant with what were called the
tele' they would see that it was thirty-eight to
kr: xagessaina.t Mr, liensmis bitting on this Catholic.
ila„,
.for
bad 0
g. t him. Ile dived amongst the 39
0,1711 tor the one !Litman Catholic, not knowing that
teZaa there, and he picked him out.—(Laughter.)
he;"lY this was one of the most singular coincidences
letitve_r,he,ard of. He had heard of persons " taking
wit 4 14,71.'„' and never winning—(Laughter)—but here
1,,1t Cathoe.ininis, at the very first draw, drawing the
vuliae,aB 'l.--(Laughter.) Mr. Nemnus must certainly
kn nth•• vetY tuannetic fingers.—(Laughter.) This was
stithteripf the calamities of the Government. Then the
ibe trfirlt Gentleman said he was most anxious to have lett. ' conduct d s e with great moderation, and he wrote
Ile lel: t° the Attorney-General for Ireland on that point,
vele ' hot •
Lehl had g°llig to say anything of certain occurrences
hot been mentioned in that House, but the result
"qe RioCi°;yreSPOlld to the wish so strongly expressed by
ici'yerkezioli. Gentleman. The last misfortune of the
tee slice, was owing to the speech of the :caitrner
uvi„ Ice, who certainly made a stronger spe fo
. ‘q, --Oral than
... . ~ literal _
silt ar, hea the Attorney or Soneitor-ue .
lea , r, laughter.) No, though a convictionf
ales, eu le th
to ' bran 0 way this had been obtained might gnat y
th:elne Gran
Partizans—though it might afford a triumph
it -,41 to imprisons* sneir supporters—though it might enable
tih "ettl Mr. O'Connell with the other traversers,
tertale store Produce land, nor would it
peace to Ire . .
sc,stY it , respect for the law.—(Hear, hear.) lie was
s,„", Wes as admitted on his side of the House that per-
l'ltra. Ito be struck off the jury because they were Re-
tl44cl wetwllis admitted that seven-eighths of the people of
1\1,4 q the ,4,ePealers, and therefore
.they must be struck
tsi, stud that upon all occasions like the. present. It
ti litt ,t, nat a Repealer would fast himself to death
•Itri, ""all b • in • •
salve -ho per ring a verdict for conviction ; but were
lipes to asa°ll3 on the other side who would fast them-
tl/4:l'.er courseFa rather than acquit?—(Hear, hear.) The
eketis
appeared to him to be to strike off known
jecl ths ,°° both sides.—(Hear, hear.) The Noble
kluct, e.'.ecretay for the Colonies, who was not in his
diltseheit'd they
sie cr it°trtorrn were struck off by the Crown Solicitor
his clients. They . all knew what the
414 by ~li eYs was towards their clients. It was to
heart or means which the very questionable mo-
lis) and the law left open to them.—(Hear,
t4,4,ssed , a laugh.) The Noble Lord was so
(tkrk tel,the idea of winning, that he called the
1416,4ghte4ue Crown the " clerk of the course."—
Stra'ted 1)4 The Right Hon. Gentleman said that he
hit 'it bit to of the Roman Catholics who had been
44, 4ft, (I,li
tO be
a Repealer, because, though he swore in
pekioeiatie,, that he was not a member of the Repeal
tfa al% Thatfie did not swear that he was not a Re-
atia le'arsea was PPeared to him to be much the same as
i4Put told saw you in Pall-mall to-day,"
tell tol4 „ rniaking an affidavit that he was not there
Isssactals"ss, but you were in Russell-square." He
tcaleetZ° confidence in the measures which the Go-
IVellPaSiwe°lll(l. Propose for Ireland. They reminded him
st..,s. Which he had lately read in a letter of Crom-
er"' the e wanted to get some law reforms, and he
41t•atui: Tnslvtrtjurctsion' There is mention in the last part
tole
1..• .. bob, 0 s
.o your purpose to do many good_
s_sts laste ) u will not be like the gentleman who
111) „,7tre f‘s wil, and set down a great. number of men
slea,-,:ra -s. receive benefits from him, and there was
th, at tit
;41134 -eN of ,e latter end." So with regard to those
h„ itt ~,. tile n.
lil 7Pr the lattes;overn,m, ea. they seemed to have no
k oPoso , end- —(Hear, hear, and laughter.)
Neeues of `_ to do (Hear,
good things, and set down
itt ta van peo 1
4be from Pe o Ireland who were to receive
illa lo latt hem, but they had "no sum
eked titer ead.s_ and hear, and laughter.)
thalaooe,OP°° the Landlord
h 4 a.h. 'lie, ~„,, ,_ Tenant Commission as
tNI of "be Bear Iv
never more convinced of it
4 mhat lie Geve.... as
ußight Hon. Baronet at the
tttklid,ti Bad been uohent giving his cordial approbation
Metedek e, ,4i
the
Said by the Right Hon. Member for
k„ fustt)thilave a,:lusillrbeidee The Right Hon. Baronet
ths-sted e opinion on a sudden a very great re-
kis 1104. on oile _ s
.of the Hon. Gentleman. He re-
-1,4 said
Geati_ occasion during the last session when
se Is qth 'roan was
19,. night at lie „r 9)eaking upon some subject,
is_ 110... b_eed math another Hon. Gentleman.
' evet 7s rote n' Gentle another
in one of those stage
Nis pew .rottueuLto be heard, said, " It is the first time
h 4, Ptti,......' agree with any one."—(Laughter.)
},e /I,* sboitisii,did.not say what you attribute to me.
thinly belieye-"."
that
that, when he used the words,
~it.t.,.ltip_iit ,T that they were the exact words used
terii.,,,r4hea,tritelrt4s.tintleitii:tioo:rt. gentleman.uph oidi u
g Government had de-
the Irish Church Esta-
eiqs „431e.bone hil°n• and Gallant Friend the Member
. Siads
that
stated the other evening, in the de-
ns war -, tn„t •
itF, tcf•i ' hut he I,t other
not now the fashion to de-
shpathe Qor: considered that this declaration on the
t, ititl4lt tirTkeilt emulent of maintaining the Irish Church
IrelanevaTs, equivalent to a declaration of war
4t. Was a great evil, which they could