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mend, nor ever would recommend, that we should
spend one single English halfpenny, or spill one drop
of English blood, for that purpose, as for such a pur-
pose it would be unjustifiable. • When the Noble
Viscount spoke of the protocol, he seemed to forget
its preamble, where it was said that the parties
bound themselves to perform certain engagements
on principles of religion and humanity. That was
expressly stated; but yet the Noble Viscount had
said that it was signed to preserve the
.peace of
Europe, and that the interest of Greece had no-
thing to do with the matter, although the Noble
Viscount added, every honest man must feel for
those interests, yet that, upon going into office,
he was bound to lay all such feelings aside. Now
this was rather strong.—(A laugh.)—Was it in-
deed necessary for an individual entering office to
lay aside the feelings of an honest man ? If so he
could not help feeling for the Noble Viscount, so
great a part of whose life had been spent in office,
and congratulating
.himself that so much of his had
been passed out of it. The Noble Duke had said
that his (Lord H.'s) opinions in Parliament were
somewhat singular, but, before saying so, the
Noble Duke ought to have called to mind
that they were the opinions of some of the greatest
authorities which had adorned the country during
the last century; so that his opinions, however sin-
gular they might appear, were, what was generally
considered on the other side of the House a recom-
mendation, something old fashioned. It could not
be objected to them that they were innovations.
The documents he had moved for were said to be
imperfect, but if the Noble Lords over the way
would fill up any hiatus in his demand, and make
a complete statement, he should be perfectly ready
to agree to any motion they might make to that
effect.—(Laughter.)----What he wished for the do-
cuments was, to ascertain the fact of how far this
country was bound, and also to see how far Don
Miguel and his faction were or were not instru-
ments in the hands of foreigners. The Prinee of
Holland and his party were favoured by his
country, not because of the Constitution they
supported, but because himself and his friends
were essentially the English party, and the party
opposed to them was, of course, the party of some
foreign country. If that be the case now in Portugal,
he would not say that we ought to do any thing
rash, but it was well worth the consideration of the
Government. Here he might quote an authority
which he was sure would meet with the respect of
the Noble Earl and the Secretary of State for
Foreign Affairs. He meant no less an authority
than Demosthenes. If he attempted to give a
translation he should be half afraid of having it
seized upon as part of his motion. He would,
however, run the risk. That author said, on an oc-
casion something analogous to this," I am for main-
taining and restoring the Rhodian Democracy, and I
am for it, because I think it within the letter of our
treaties and engagements, where, if we look, we
shall find it just, right, and obligatory upon us to do
so. But I say, that even if it was not, still I should
be for it. Why so ? I will tell you : if I saw all
the neighbours of the Rhodians—all the foreign
nations with which we are surrounded, hold in
honour, and careful always to keep within the strict
rule of right, I should think it the last infamy if
Athens were to depart from that rule; 'but when I find
there is around us enemies constantly maintaining aris-
tocracy, and for that purpose running from one nation
to another, intriguing and caballing to abstain from
taking any advantage which chance might give us by
interference in favour of another country, would not be
justice or wisdom, but folly, cowardice, and pusilla-
nimity."—(Cheers.)—He could not recollect the
Greek Words, and if he could he did not think he
should repeat them to their Lordships—(a laugh)--
but not recollecting the Greek precisely, he did not
give this as a translation, but rather as a paraphrase.
These were the sentiments of Demosthenet, ; they
were not his (Lord Holland's) sentiments, but he
still thought great consideration might be bestowed
upon this subject. But, above all, the documents
and facts ought to be before the people. He per-
fectly agreed that those who supported the Noble'
Duke were right in resisting this motion, if they
thought the Noble Duke would speedily come to a
decision upon it, such as he had promised, but those
who paid attention to what was passing around
them, must see any thing but signs of decision.
But whether there had been, or was to be, any or
not, the result hitherto had proved unfortunate, and
he for one was not disposed to give the confidence
required of him any longer.
The Mite of WELLINGTON would pass by
the quotation from Demosthenes, and come to that
the Noble Lord had made from the preamble of the
protocol. That preamble he had incorrectly quoted.
The reason for interference stated on the part of his
Majesty was neither more nor less than that his
Majesty had been requested by the Greeks to inter-
pose his good offices to reconcile them to the Porte.
The words quoted by the Noble Lord expressed the
reasons of the Emperor of Russia, and not those of
his Majesty.

Lord HOLLAND—What sophistry was this ?
All that signed the protocol made themselves parties
to its contents. It mattered not whether the state-
ment was made on the part of the King or the Em-
peror. The Noble Duke's way of interpreting pro-
tocols and treaties would lead to perpetual quarrels.
A treaty, meant to be one of peace, by such inter-
pretation would be the source of interminable quar-
rels and disputes. He held the Noble Duke re-
sponsible for the whole protocol, unless at the time
he entered a protest against this particular part on
behalf of his Majesty. If not, his Majesty's ho-
nour was bound to the whole. .

The Earl ,of ABERDEEN—This shows the
Noble Lord does not know what a protocol is.
Lord HOLLAND—Yes I do.

The Earl of ABERDEEN—A protocol was
merely an authenticated statement of the grounds
on which different parties proposed to act. But in
signing this neither party adopted the sentiments of
the other.

Lord HOLLAND knew what a protocol was ;
for five or six years back he had put the question in
the words of the learned Cujactus—quid est pro-
tocol? (A laugh.) He then learnt that a protocol
was originally nothing more than the minutes of a
conversation. Since, however, the introduction into
diplomatic transactions of words not English, this
word had been used to express the preliminary of any
proceeding—its basis. Thus the protocol of St.
Petersburgh was the basis or preliminary agreement
between the Noble Duke and Russia to the treaty
which afterwards took place.
The motion was then put, and negatived without
a division ; and the House adjourned at a Quarter
past Nine.

HOUSE OF COMMONS, WEDNESDAY, JULY 16.
Lord LEVESON GOWER took the oaths and
his seat upon his re-election.
The Warehoused Sugar Refining Bill was read a
first time, and ordered to be read a second time to=
morrow.

Lord F. L. GOWER presented a petition from
the Wool-growers of Sutherla'hd, praying for pro-
tection. Ordered to be laid on the table.
RETURN OF DANIEL O'CONNELL, ESQ.
Mr. WM. O'BRIEN presented a petition from
certain persons, we believe Electors of Clare, but
the Hon. Member spoke in so low a tone of voice
that we could not hear a single word that he said.
He, howeier, handed the petition to the Speaker.
The SPEAKER said that the petitioners com-
plained that the return made by the Sheriff of Clare
was not a good one, that the majority for Daniel
O'Connell, Esq., was only a colourable majority,
and that the said Daniel O'Connell was a Roman
Catholic; that under these circumstances the re-
turn was illegal, and the county was therefore still
unrepresented. The petitioners further stated, that
Mr. V. Fitzgerald was the candidate who ought to
have been returned, and prayed that the House would
declare that Right Mon. Gentleman as the sitting
member for the county of Clare. Now, if this was
an election petition, the Hon. Member had a right
present to
it, in order that it might be referred to an