The Sun.
London, England, 1845-02-07 00:00:00

ohe intended, at a future time, to move an inquiry
the
whole question of the administration of the
Sir Pollee,
the J. GRAHAM said he was not at all prepared for
speech the Noble Lerd had delivered, as he had re-
ceived no notice whatever ..f his intention to ring the
subject forward. The Noble Lord had last year moved
for •
a similar return, and he (Sir James Graham) then
stated he was ready to accede to it ; nor had he
11,°17 any objection to granting the present one. In the
auaehce of the Chief Secretary for Ireland, and without
notice, he could not no into the details of the subject, tit he believed it would' be found that the Lord Lieu-
tenant of Ireland had fully carried out the administration
Bator law intrusted to him.
d CLEMENTS apologised to the Right Hon.
onet for 'he abrupt manner in which he had brought
the •
, subject forward, but he still contended it was one
'Ming for inquiry.
Ll2th
The ATTORNEY•GENERAL (Ireland) quoted
section of tl,e Arms' Act, under which the Lord-
thahhtenant had proceeded, and added that there was no
any Position on the part of the Government to withhold
inrormation.
'rter an explanation from Lord CLEMENTS, which
froas interrupted by cries of " Spoke," and a few words
th Mr. P. Fneecir, confirming what had fallen from
eLAtterney-General, the Return was ordered.
the Lord CLEMENTS then moved for " Return from
'lerk of the Crown of the county of 1,-itrim, i,f the
Itsian,i_eus:ofi47.ecdl rbe;:itiences ef those Jurors who were ordered
the Judge of Assize ht. the Sue:neer As-
of 1844, held in Carrick on Shannon ; and Copies
abs e Affidavits of any such Jurors accounting for their
si nee, to "ether with the Orders of the Judge of As.
tttilcierth4.”-- Agreed to.
the k.;LEMENTS then moved for a return, showing
do „Iltlinber of policemen in every county in Ireland who
it,"` 't perform the duties of constables, but are ern-
efrl either as clerks or officers' servants, having charge
taaa°.P'es or otherwise, distinguishing. the number
iof
;010'1,11 each employment other than that of a censtab.e,
tteee's"er with the expense, including a I pay and allow-
Aft°l theSe in each employment.
krer, a o,_
w words from Mr. BROTIIERTON and
tiatil.-r;l:vAaeC' the return was agreed to.
WALLACEw then in.wed for a return by name of
company which had complied with the sixth
esab:e 01 the Act of last seesiou for the regulat on of
Vetpi:S, and which came into operation on e Ist No-
ha. re with the date of such compliance, as to the car
thehre3 having seats and being rote from the wen.
l'ef." p
si he
the conveyence of third class pass-. tigers; also,
the eau. return of those which have not complied with
Una I:zth clause of' the said Act; and specifying also
ease (Airs of the day and the speed of the trains each
teketesPeetively, under the penny a mile clause; the
i
cove' further to show the steps taken (if any) to re-
lit the penalties provided by the said Act.—Agreed to.
SIT; TitORNELY coved for the appointment and
!le as-aisti"n of a Select Committee on public petiti..ns
-e
a t'eiY, Sir Robert. Harry Ingli-, Earl of Arm,
teh, " or
Surrey, Lord Courteliay, Vise..unt Duncan, Cap
(knes, Mr. Cowper, Mr. Pusey, Mr. Diwrird Buller,
leY, kiii.ekleY Mr. William Alt. Ow..n Stan-
'l'ipps, and Mr. Villiers Stuart.—Agreed to.
tilitte.caWA.RT postpon6d his motion regarding Com
oias'atert private Bills.
,114.6-„tue motion that the answer of her most gracious
et4-4,,Y, to the address of the Ilouse of Commons,
Of
'4l4' `-',‘-diDEN wished to call the attention of the
iteett 'l°,,n- Gentleman to the absence, in the royal
„tric L°t any reference to the state of the agricultural
.;!teree7h, A. member of the Government hail, indeed,
'Nir. to give an explanation, by saying that the
1.t5b,,,-`;l'ral districts were not in such a state of
ithae-LtY as to demand any particular refe-
'tote e • If this was the reason, it was a departure
hthri:recedent, for hitherto extraordinary depression
tititipttire'a litZufactures or agriculture, was the cause of
observation. Last year, when a Committee was
inquire into the state of the agricultural
:hheatt; one of the grounds for refusing it was, that
r art e-its 565. a quarter • now wheat was only 455. a
14Itt wet,- , And he would ask the Hon. Gentlemen op po-
tilitati"heiner they felt themselves justified in holding
littkte" annguine expectations to the farmers respecting
fr) Iness r •.
of land 0.• price, inducing them- to enter into bargains
e teethe that farmers had the power
supposition
Iktiew rof land. Lord Beaumont, at a great
ttpseNttural meeting, had stated that Parliament would
e'qzttffe'reners 565. for their corn Hail events justified
,epa:C,aratioll Hon. Gentlemen opposite said farmers
ti‘44.O"tieneeering f;om wa'rit of sufficient protec_tion, but he
te°4lllt,„"uen) thought they were suffering from preetec:
Ned gether The lion. Members opposite repre-
th a •
litimtenverful interest, and if they really thought
n't/t do Liens on land so onerous, he thought they could
Iteokti.eetter than jaia with him in calling for a Select
ileeittittee of the House to in sure into them. He was
e 4. at tit hopes that this would he acceded to ; and if
od."ltaelllilib,ers who profeSeed tie be -itch
that
e (if
the wrist did jein with lion. Memuge,rs oe,
t
the apt the /louse, they weul:l coerce the Government
et?0.',14" Cornmn tee. He mentiored this subject to
nited 4letriber for Semersetehire (Mr. Miles), who re-
with all the coulee sy possible, and th..ught that
irl,p Unitsee med eilling to eceede to the proposo-
ialsait he (Mr. Cobden) asked was fuli, fair,
Pii3l inquiry. He had waited patiently to see
1)6144.4,0°i°. Member would bring forward this motor,
th-sl d"ing so, he thought it his duty again to
Vie A,l,shhject under the eonsid. retion of the Hou-e.
iet'lleehlLES thanked the Hon. Member for the mariner
ktiof . th,t
,I2ad spoken ; but t e should re eel_
44he'" le Ds only an individual Member, and could
in!Sidi foe the lit le agrieultural bony. If the trefi-
ss existed which the Hon. Member Ge-
`),4l4) tred e might ask the Gov. rument acre-d.• to the
tt:',4nte". Sure .15 the observations of IsTolde Lerd
tic„"einitt-ngter--(Lau-glite. e)—ceuid 1.1-m no ba-Is for the
e Pee • tete • - mine. such sanguine expetathins
en • les •e
ea,' at tog the' of. corn. The Right Getitl, -
air'llgh "cad of • Government had si. °ken distinet.y
°h the e
et -4 t metter, anu notrth:g be sand con pricell(l4,4 guarantee te the fn. mere for the pof
let he lion. Gentle man had distinctly stated
net prevent euctua-hin of prices. Ile did
msaY . I
eatele tar-titers were much inehteed to trouble the
h„' a recital .4 their grievances. He was sorry
thj4 t7' geteeraliy speaking, the farmers did not trust
eitreeteie eat' Commons for an alleviation of
sad se The Hen. Member must. take his own
°Pile'vitlitn.'e subject. There were Members both ble
roteqfts "' On chat side of the House, to state their
,_eQelll-feti th • b lee (Mr. Miles) would
r°ic.o4l. •,aer, e question ;
Gi'„ne, Way or the other.
na''that h'I'SON, who spoke in such a gal tune of
klo,statoo t.° was almost inaudible in tne glery, was
f 're'? 'ay that it seemed.a principle with that
tliatthe'°hje(ie sessi,mi past, to refuse all inquiry into
ket.1,84 -;
~f agricultural diltress. The facts of that
tliti4`nlost uc'fore them all. They had a corn-law,
th ,1 l'variablv though varying in degree, desti-
di,t •
the ekb, riss aceennpanied it. The Noble Lnrd,
to, fLir the city of London, had well said the
kei Nth th')g that protection was the bane of agriculture,
qiu_vith eorn-law es he had said, they had distress,
the,lak vtress the; had always been inclined to asso-
kit' they bistence of a committee. They had the corn-
tthe' ? the distress, why then refuse the Com-
Ileae tile4,,ueY had ascribed this distress to the change
440-4 to "le of protection effected in 1842; yet they
te444 z.'scertain the working of that protection,
Negtir ape inquiry of the House. They promised, too,
1,11:se to deVles at the Freemasons' Hell, and in other
Ithea.e'ethd the farmer from any other change in
a 4 tarotte'le should, therefore, wish to ask the Right
ey:inid t.." the head of her Majesty's Govhrn-
,Vseran old it with all respect, whether he had given
that no further redUction should be made?
4tle.paeji-vVtiape asked him if he had communicated
atlti Drn..l4 that he would not meddle with the ex-
tlhe w
buffor the impression seemed to be, that he
Ithet°h4et tot)dh if not he prayed the Right Honourable
tsab • • e
kl . hse the public mind of the impression
411.;10t .glten this solemn assurance, because, if he
k,,tl;.stißevd.r; aoY such, he (Mr. would feel him-
ht* 44/q.4,enntradie4ing the rumour.(Laughter )
jest ,t 807,8 thoughl that
.it would have been. but
1fe,43. Sp e allusion should have been made in her
ht,. ,t(), eztel! to the distress which was but too well
to hee"ith them the agricultural districts. He agreed
pi,B,Rh he died Hon. Member fer Stockport, so far,
Oen'', that of not agree with him in another of his
,_l44t.'e) some of these on that (the Con-
tTkt 1;11 tolloo! the ilsonse in persevering in his deter-
timkt UtUre Ye for an inquiry int ) this distress at
te,,t• Period. H
ill, toe, e, for one, would not support
t't it 1,-nd au. uet'anse, with reference
(Ittett,esult,d la of the distress, he wes convinced
tltatge dutieEtitogether from the changes made in the
td n()t h whether permanent or otherwise, end
ell he es'tte to say that those changes had pro.
th,: distresstivrtlYb which was now so prevalent.
ha who had last spoken had reterred to
°the' °f sir
4' tliAht,e Xoble Lord, the Member f..r London,
clina;ll.\‘ohltleartieoultowriele.n le: said that protection was the
It remained to he seen whether
dal ad
left rcl had
hip %.0 changed his opinion since the time
41dnoes Or whether his proposition for a fixed
keecitka tjthe tioub.e considered a protection to agricul-
a, htit, t, Member for Wolverhampton, who
pt.e4l thinterest:esning of the. prosperity of the manu-
00Nrit e distress tated that their prosperity had occa-
elPtea of th sa of the agriculturists. The n, it the kirell4if the hahnufacturers was occasioned b the
4,4,„h4 th.:lgricultural districts, why should 'Hon.
eeeeeat". other ;
• her e that roi,se'de. seek to increase that distress
tkee'lltie ?—(Hear, hear.) The Hon.
lt,t toed in"o-e observed, with reference to what
el'ohne Majesty's speech, that with re-
fication of the prohibitions which
, heel, bhou our manufactures, some step should
tiar :114 then
es to induce some relaxation. He (Mr.
Vell/4 raV4 t the step already taken 'Wa5 a very good
-'`ehtlittlrirstOarwtille manufacturers, and he hoped that
t 4
4etLy to
relit uld now have something better than
• Ptktl tolltry eve the distresses that prevailed
eeh *--(Rear.)_ steange in , During the year that see-
teitl fairsliQ ste,rah tne protee•tive duties, there was
lhottrea,4etleela in the English crops, but after-
Nieetie erotes,
aareat deficiency -in the barley, oats,
rduelh'lnbsehquently the alteration in
.the
,aeat , debar the hoe that the riches
Oetith„chtih eiriihe 0.31.1 make u for the loss sustained
ttit oe Crop,
and p
eri the in that installer., therefore,
4toti BtB. X, late eaUSed great distress among the
the v+ 'as ca • aatis6.'hto had notacr.aYutsoedael fact to say that the
11440% hiet of init'.tof the great misery, and he
causes whiel' led to it, without
theyetv Cart I utter, further •
to
th_
said
ti7_ y inquiry.
lt(llTtais,,, Professiy was sotnething exceedingly
hao „otry,',„ted the utii..rnade by the landlords, that
4„ The _ ,
...tress at that time exietiner
t4lirnalrthke4itilye eaus'etT,V in
alors o.f the soil said that"the
n,h4 nar,, ot the T, that distress, but did not the
'met o,hties.h,exiseeel (311 Se coneist of landed proprietors,
"th '4le°nscquence of the change in
Ite ? 1, no thinhey
_themselves, he asked, create
could only benefit the farmer in one