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would be, that a democracy would first arise.;
then men who had. not -come forward in' the
first new order "oi thing's, would start' up, take
advantage of existing circumstances for their own
selfish purposes ar.d ambitions views, and .ultimately
reduce the Government to an absolute Monarchy;...
If Reform
.was sanctioned, it would be -impossible
to know to what extent particulah parties might go.
It was notes for the House ro decide, and this night
they would have to record their opinion„
He con-
jured them, therefore, to weigh well the conse-
queneres of the measure. He should. -give his oppo-
sition so it, and in so doing, should roe thereby su
port'Ang a Constitution, which foc'`ages had afforded p-
Pre Aeation to the subject, and beer, the admiration of
Sr rounding nations --.-
' Mr. TIERNEY thought the Right'. Hon. Gentle-
.nan's apprehensions as to 1-
objea of the People
in wishing Reform were it r-founded. They did not
want to get rid of one
, of the Branches of the Le-
gislature, all that the' y wanted was a- full, fair,
and free representatio: h. Reform-was become,abso-
lutelv necessary, ane
'whatever fate might attend the
motion of his Hon
.Friend this night; in a few years
it musttake place
—that Was his opinion, and nothing
should deter hi'
ree with tb
a from thinking so. He was ready to
u
P gant notion, e -Right Hon. Gentleman that extrava-
on
the subje'et of Reich in had been held
out
courted t'
people, by persons who 'had lately
disclair
and o'bta.ined momentary popularity. He
he a aed the opinions which they entertained,
fatty eSpised such pretensions;- and v. ithout saying
r thing more invidious, he would say that he was
r••• ety public favour had fallen if to such hands.—
He had no desire to run the race of popiffar fa-
vour, it was ar'ace indeed which he was-not ealcu-'
lated to run, but he should discharge his duty con-
scientiously as a Member of Parliament. In the ne
propositions for Reform there appeared to him to be
no system. Some proposed that every freeholder
should vote at elections—some thought that every
louseholdershould vote—some wished the suffrage
to be given to all men. If such was to be the case,
in time perhaps it would be claimed for the women
and children. With respect. to the necessity of do-
ing something that was evident, He thought that
the House should be so constituted, as that the coun-
try might be Satisfied, and give theta new confidence.
It might be said thatsthe House already-possessed
the confidence of the'couritry, that he denied.; for
as well as he could colleet, the People were sobred
against their Representatives ; they beheld the
house with symptoms of contempt. (Cries of Order,
Order!) He did not saylthey ought to be so 'consider-
ed, but that Was the Public opinion. Queslions of a
direct tendencyfiad been put to him upon the subject
out of doors,' to which he was unable to give a saris-
. factory answer. He had been asked whether the
votes of the House upon the Cintra Question were
correCt. Whether the votes' upon the Walcheren
Ingoiry were correct, but to those queries he could
not give a satisfaaory anSwer. The public opi-
, 'lien of these two great questions would, he thought,
have been more loudly expressed- had it not been
that the caseOf Sir Francis Burdett intervened, To
Sit Francis Burdett alone the Right Hen. Geutlernae
owed his present situation, for had it not been -for
him he would most probably have found himself
:in a minority. This expressiou of.-astonisliment had
not been confined to the, people out of- doors '
but had pervade both assemblies, for- many Mem- .
bers had complained of the-waste of bluod. and 'trea-
sure. The House had lost itself, and it was neces-
sary to retrieve its charmer. With respeel to what
:the Right Hen. Gentleman v. le.) last spoke had said
about the peeple loving wears, why so They might,
but the attachment, he believed, was Not of long
continuance. If the public feeling had been con-
sulted, they would not have wished their continuance
sap long, to the -alinost irreparable injury of the coun-
try. At p.reent, the opinion of the Public was less
regarded than formerly,--for it was rarely expressed
in hat House. Thy; representation was.satii, t ,it
the people anxiously desired an 'alteration. It had
been said, that:mat-1y coldmercial men held seats
in that House; he knew ity and he knew,' like••
wise, that many seats had been bcughrt and sold.
In most of the counties in England,. a candidate's
pretesions %New not attended to unless they were
contained in a long purse, . and it was well ascer-
tained that such pretensions were admirable auxili-
• cries 'obtaining the object, .especiatly if there
tr ere many. non-resident - voters.. With respect
to the- alterations' to be made, so as to meet all
the cases of abuse that was a is abject for the con-
Sideairin of a ComMittee. • He. was no advocate
tor the establishthent of a PernocracT; ail he
wished. to See was a House of CenitnOrts-so form-
ed as to be enabled to keep a prcper check and
controul Over the public expenditure, and the influ-
enceof the Crown. All' the Governmeets which had
been alluded to pretended to possess the confidence
or the people, when, in point of fact, they did not.
Ile was not-friendly to depressing. the power-of the
other' branches of the Legislative power;' 'on the
ebnitary, he wished to preserve them entire, but not
to' increase them, -It. had been said formerly that
the power of the Croton had, increased, and ought to
be diminished ; tt was the influence of the Crown
alone that supported the. present Ministers ; they
Contrived to retain their situations. A.- thorough
Reform was necessary ; and being of that opinion,
he should support the motion. of his Hon. Friend. •
Mr, W. SMITH supported the motion. .
Mr. PONSONBY declared his conviction that the ab •
Staining of thd House during the last Session, from
punishing the undue influence exerchied in elections
by, some of its Members was the stimulant that had
so powerfully excited the popular 'discontent on the
subject of representation. Adverting to the. propo-
sition of his Hon. Friend to Alike off the burgage
teneres, he observed, that he did not consider Vieth
No obnoxious as the small Corporat ions, in which theie
existed more venality.and less choke. . Supposing
however, that they were 'equally bad, did it fol-
low 'that the Constitution- would by subverted by
their correction ? These small Corporations origi-
nated'in the Crown. The'power-ot creating them
hat long lain dormant, but it might be re-exercised
to-morrow. The Crown could .create, bdf it could
not destroy.. He did' not see anythiog in the/pro-
position of his Hon. Friend which involved the fun-
damental 'principles of the 'Constitution; there was
nothing novel, nothing dangerous, nothing that could
snake the House of Commons so ch:triocratical as to

overturn the other estates. The onlkobjeaion that
he could imagine to his Hon: Friend's proposal was,
=that if the House once began to a/zt in that way, it
would be difficult to say Where they would or should
stop; He admitted that this was a consideration of
great moment, and involving it in a danger from
which this country had hitherto been exempt. Great
Britain was the only free country in which the frame
of the Constitntion had not been the subjea of poli-
tical contest. In other free States these contests had
been 'frequent. Hence in Rome the contests between .
the Plebeians,-the, Patricians, the Equestrian Order,-
and the Triburiatiary Power, by which at length the
liberties of Rome were destroyed, the prevalence. of
the Tribimatiary Power, and the letting in Of the Al-
banian cities, making a way for the subsequent de-
struelion of Roman freedom.`But in this country there.
did not appear to him to be any such danger :"for the
Crown had immense •power, the House of Lords had
great power, 'and therefore there was no apprehen-
sion that-the democratic power, by a Reform of the
HouSe ofCcimmons, would become too preponderant',.
But, he woul.r ask the House, did they run no risk
by refusing all Reform ? What was the opinion of the.
sensible and Jefleding pArt of the community. on this-
subjea ? I-re had taken great pains to ascertain it,.
and' he was persuaded that they were far from being,
satisfied with .the present slate of the representation.
Should the inquiry be entered into, and should it ap- -
pear that the danger to be apprehended from any
change was greater-than the benefit to be expected,
the'people would be satiNfted. For his part he could
not see the danger. His Honourable Friend sought
not to subvert but to restore—not to improve by
alteration, bot to bring back the ConstitutiOn of
House of Commons to its original_prineiples. He
wasfwilling.that the House ;should act as a skilful
navigator would act in an intricate navigation, who
Would not move without the lead and line in his
band.--As to details Of any kind lie would not
pledge himself to them ; and for that very reason
he would vote for the appointment of a Committee.
With the most perfect ebnviction on his.mind that
there never existed so good a,Constitution as the
British, he was of course desirous to preserve all that
was estimable-and to abolish only that which was
conressedly bad ; and above all that he was anxious
not to -be supposed, to countenance that which it
was the fashion- to call a radical reform.

We have received further extraas from the Ger-
man Papers, some of the contents of which we-
gave yesterday. Accounts from Zara, in Dahnatia,
state,. that .the Turks are assembling in great force,
and, have occupied, all the strong places in that quar-
ter. Precautions were taking in Dalmatia and Il-
lyria against them. Several American and Turkish
vessels have been captured and taken into Leghorn,
the cargoes of whiCh are stated' at a million and a
half of piasters. The same events have taken place
at Trieste, and the cargoes are sequestrated. Gen.
MAR NIONT has established a -Military Commission in
the provinces ceded by Austria to France,- wiry all
persons accused of Brigandage, &c. The great-con-
course of foreign troops on the Turkish frontiers
pOrtends'speedy hostilities, and all. the Papers under
French influence prediet the approaching do'wnfal of
what they term Turkish Anarchy.
Report speaki.of a grand expedition against the
Porte, to be commanded by MURAT (the usurping
King of Naples) in case Turkey refuses to shut
herports against England, after a categorical demand
from Austria and France. It is also said,that an Au-
strian,. Courier has been sent to Palermo with pro-
posals for the Court of Sicily, and the Frenelt Ex-
pedition against that country is deterred for the
present. .The whole of the foreign papers announce
speedy hostilities against the Porte, but manifest no
signs of intended humiliation on the part of the
latter. •

Mr. W. WYNNE opposed the motion of his Hon.
Friend, on the ground that a reference of the subject
to a Committee would unsettle the mind of every wan
in the country. When once the work of alteratioh
Was commenced, it would be impossible to say how
far it might go. He could by no means accede to',
the appointment of such a Committee, without
pledging himself to.some specific plan, and thiS he
felt to be impossible.

Ws, stated some time ago that .BUONAPARTE had
issued a Decree for the confiscation of all American
property in France, and for ordering all Americans
to depart withotit delay ft'om the FrenCh territory.
An official copy of that Decree has reached this
country';, it is dated the 13th of March,. and has
been-sent to..the Northern Powers for their.adoptio o.

-Lord PORCHESTER said, that he had listened at-
tentivelTto alt the reason that had been argued on
both sides. In his opinion there.was but
-one mo-
tive that should induce the House to 'accede to the
motion ; namely, the persuasion that such was
,the
state of their organization, that_ a repeii:ion of the
advantages which the, country had heretofore de-
rived from it could not be rationally'expected. Now,
'although he admitted that Oleic were tnanr faults in
the Constitution of the Hduse; he could by no
means go to that length. Among all- who had
spoken during the debate, there were -not two
who agreed'. in their ideas- of refprm, 1f the
House went into the detail, they would soon find
that they had not he Ird a_terith part of the vari-
eties of opinion which existed on the subject. Un-
less.the Housewished to throw the country into con-
fusion, they would_ not endanger that fibric which
had been the pride and safeguard of the country.—
On the whole, he should give' his decidrd negative
to he motion, convinced that such a vague propo-
Sitioa ciulJ not save but might ruin the country; at
the 'acne time Le admitted that it siiould be consi-
dered how that systeni of venality which at present
exist d could be best subda-C.d.

An account.has'been received at the East India
Howe that the ship Windham had been re-captured

off Lodirigues, on the 2gth December lat, by his
Majesty's ship Alagidenne, arid arrived at the Cape
of Good Hope the 6th. February.
Capt. STEWART and :his Officers arrived at, the
Cape in a cartel from the Isle of
.France on the 23d
February. The IFindham proceeded to. India on
the 4th of March.

The following letter from Mr. ADAIR to ihe
British Consul at Smyrna, is the best 'refutation of
the insinuations in the French Papers, that the Porte
was about to break off, her connexions with Great
Britain.

Mr. BRAND made a shoft reply, atter which the
House Chvi,_!ed—

" Constantinople, Feb. 22.
" SlR—His Maje Sty .having been gracious!y
pleased to permit me to return to England, I have
to acquaint you, that, unless very unexpected events
should detain. me, it is my intention to leave Con-
stantinople whenever the season becomes favour-
able.

For the Motion 115
Against it - - . - • - - - - 234
Majority

:The Howth Harbour Bill went partially thrqugb
a COtholittee, the Chairman of which reported pro-
gress, atid obtained leave to sit again this•day.,
Mr. FOSTER MOvel the, second reading of the
Irish L-aw Office Regulation Bill.
Sir JOHN NEWPORT expressed his surprize that
he did not see the offices of First and Second Re-
tneinbrancer among those which were to' be regu-
lated;

" I should long ago hive executed this inten-
,
tion, had I not perceived that the Peace between.
Austria and France, and especially that article of

the Treaty, which darrics the boundary of France
t 3 the Saave, revived a hope in our enemies, of en-
gaging the Porte to break with Great Britain.
" France had insisted on having created; evi-
dently with a view of dictating the law at. Constan-
tinople, that- her first a& of good neighbourhood
towards the Turks, would
,be to compel them, if
possible, to go to war with us; no man could doubt
that she would succeed. I never had the slightest
_apprehension ; yet, with the fullest reliance on the
good faith and honour of-the Porte, I did not think
it right to quit the affairs of the British Embassy
in a moment of even apparent difficulty, nor to sanc-
tion, by my sudden departure, the idle reports that
had been disseminated, of approaching hostilities
with this country.
" The event has, in every way, answered my ex-
pectation ; the threats of France are disregarded,
every 'demand, injurious to our ftiendly relation's
with Turkey, has been rejected, with indignation,
and our enemies are themselves convinced, they
will best consult their own intersei by abstaining
from a repetition of their own proposals. .
" Under these circumstances I quit the Embassy,
without a fear for the stability. of peace, and with
the assurance that this powerful Empire is deter-
mined to assert its independence to the last, to
sad-
here to its Trenies, and, if necessary, to put forth its
whole force to maintain them.

' The CHANCE-LLOR of the. Excaß4uEksaid, that
the Bill had heen framed in pursuance of a Report of
a Committee, in which' these offices were not men-
tioned, but. he, wno objeaion to t heir introduction.
Mr. POLE said; tte omission of these _offiCes had
struck him as it did the Hon. Baronet, and he bead
mentioned it
.to his Right Hon. Friend (the Chan-
cellor of the Exchequer). " He thought-tirece offices
ought certainly to he regulated as well a thenthers.
The Hon. Baronet should not find him blinking any
questioh of that kind, though he sometimes seem-
ed to throw out insinuationvto that effeci.
The 'Bill was read a second time.

On the motion of Mr. FOSTER, the House re-
solved itself into a Committee on the Irish, Light-
houses.

Mr. FOSTER 'proposed a Resolution, to take the
superintendance of these' Light-houses out of the
bands of the Comthissioners of the Customs, and to
entrust it to the Cofmnissioners in the Ballast Office;
thus assimilating thal body to the Corporation of the
Trinity in LOndon: He proposed another Resolu-
tion, 'to lay -a duty. of 6d. on all Entries inwards,
outwards, anti coastwise, for the purpose of defray-
ing the expence of these Light-houses.
Sir J. NEWPORT had no objection to the irriposi-
lion of the duty of sixpence. He thought,, how-
eVer, that as there were many great towns in Ire-
land very much interested in the trade of the coun-
try, it would be adtisable to allow each of these to
send a cotnmissioner, to be associated with those
belongin'g to that metropolis. •
To this proposition Mr: FOSTER acceded; the'Re-
solut'onS were agreed to, and the Report was or-
dered to be received this day.

The other Orders of ihe Day were then disroFed
of, and -the I-Touse,adjourned at Three o'clock ibis
morning.

" R. ADAIR."
•
" Francis Merry, Esq. British Consul, Smyrna."

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The accounts from Cadiz are not erg• iTnporiatit
Some sorties have been made, in the Spaniard 3
played the utmost steadiness and bravery.

The Duke of A„LBVQUERQUE; who came- front
Cadiz in the Undaunted, has arrived

Yesterday Mr. BRAND brought, forward•'iais Mo-
tion for an alteration in the present System of Ed"
presentation, which, after a very long &Ante, ‘A
rejected by-234 to I 15.

Yesterday morning his. MA'.IEST.V and Princess'
AubusTA, with their attendants, took an siring 0«
horseback in Windsor 'Park. The Duke of CAM.'
BRIDGE reviewed the• Royal Stafford Militia its the.,
sante Park, but there was no firing allowed. Aker
wards ,his Royal Highness joined his MAJESTY and,
the Princess in their ride, and returned with them
to the Palaee. The QUEEN and Princess ELLzAiIzVE
took an aitiug to Fr-ogrnore Lodge, and walke,l
the Gardems.

The ATTORNEY-GENERAL yesterday moved for
informatios against several persons for a riot and'
conspiracy to compel the Managels.of the Liver-
pool Theatre to take half-price. . The information
were granted.
The Lord Mayor to-day ordered the price. Dr
Bread to be advanced 3d. per peck. The Quartero
Loaf will, on Thursday, be I s. 4U.
• COMMON HALL.—The framers and supporters of
the late Petition to the House of Commons asseirt-
bled,yesterday, pursuant to public notice, in Guild"
ball, for the purpose of taking into consideration Oa
subjea of its rejeetion. The business was opened
by the Loaf) MAYOR, who was followed Mr,
FAvEL. The latter went over the hackneyed topics
of such Meetings, and proposed a string of Resolu-
tions, couched in very violent terms.=---Mr.WAITK-
MAN next arose, and delivered'nearly -the same seri-.
timents. He reprobated the abuse which had beets
thrown on his party by the supporters of Guvern-
Ment ; but he indulged himself in giving every c'P'
probrious appellation he could devise to the latter,
particularly those loyal and respettable characters
who had signed the Declarations at the London '
Tavern. .Mr. KEM.BLE and Mr. DIXON vindicated
themselves . against these random charges.L_Mr'
QUIN .proposed another Petition to the House of
Commons, which was seconded by Mr. WAITIP'
MAN,- and whiCh, as well as the Resoldtiobs, were"
passed, but mot unanimously. The Meeting ther? •
voted Thanks to Lord ERSKINE, Sir S. RomILLIE
and others. The; Meeting was not quite so gisor°
derly as on formerly occasions,• but those who pre"'
stained to defend their conkludt, or to express ihe
smallest dissent from the opinions and aims of the
Majority, received strong marks of diapprobation•
A new Burletta' was last night introduced at the"
Surrey Theatre, founded on the admirable Comedy •
of The .Beaux Statagem. The chief incidents of the
piece, and as much of the dialogue as could be-in'
troduced in a composition of this nature,
,wero a
tained, and the whole, even considered in drania'
tic point of view, in which it must necessarily sutler
by a comparison with he excellent original, e"*
ceeded what might reasonably be expede,l.
CONDELL, a musician of well-merited repute, corn`
posed some of the airs, . viz. a duet between Bolt'"
face and Cherry ; an •air for Mrs. Sullen ; Loc'
Catechism between ArCher and Cherry, a IWO. f.d`
for Aimwell, and the finale, in all of which his
usual taste and science are - apparent.- The lest ea
the music was supplied by Mr. SANDERSON,
Leader of the Band, and Mrs. ELLIsToN,• and it l'
very creditable to both, particularly the Lady. •Ek;
LISTON performed the part of Archer. The house
was well attended, and the piece was much
plauded, •

PORTSMOUTH, MAY q,l.—Caille in 'this day Ili°
Majesty's ships Sapphire from the Cape of GOa
Hope; and Implacable from Cadiz.
ArriVed his Majesty's ships Dexterous.and Gener4l
Cariclaure from a cruize, and Loire from i'
mouth. •

• Arrived the Whilelmin,a, Andrey, and AUrora, Wegbtl-tn• ,
from Alicant ; Milwood, and Sturbuck, trothGibralto '
Mercurius, ISonman, from St. Übes ; arid the Dunmore'
Williamson, from the Downs; for New Providence.
His Majesty's ship Sarpedon takes convoy to the
Downs.

SPORTING INTELLIGENCE.

NEWMARKET SECOND SPRING MEETING, /8")'

MONDAY, MAY 2t.
s
Gen. Gower's Maid of Orleans; Bst. 81b. beat Gen. o-
venor's Chryseis; Bst. Ab. M. zoogs. it.-5 to I `l"'
Maid of Orleans. r's
I.d Kinnaird's Brandenburgh, Rst. 71b. beat Gen. GO" 4
C. by Worthy, fist. 51b. Two-yr old Course, sogs•---6 1°
Brandenburgh.
Sweepstakes of tongs. each, h. ft. for fillies, Bst. Slb.
Two-yr old Course.

Mr. Shakspeare's f. by Bobtail, out of Catherine . 0
Mr. Vansittart's f. by Cesario, out of Peahen " 5
Gen. Grosvenor's t. Spell, by Sorcerer - - '
2 to 1 on Mr. Shakespeare's GeV'
Ld C. Somerset's Windsor, 4 yrs old, gst. 61b. peak.
co
G rosvenor's Ratnaquin,
.3 yrs old, 7st. Sib. -1 wo-) r
`D
zoogs. on Windsor.
D.rot Rutland's Salvator,s est. 515. beat Ld F. I.3entiatic'S
Persian, M. M. rsogs. h. ft.--4 tO lon Salvatof: ~
Mr. Vansittart's bUrleigh, Bst. 610. beat Ld F. Beritin:X..:
Trump, Bst. ilb. Ab. M. to-gs. 11. ft. stoa on liurlete
Sweepstakes of loop. each, h. ft.. Across the flat• • i
Sir 1. Shelley's Fanny, 7st. Slb. - " 0
li4r, Shakespeat's Tumbler, bst. 915. • .• 3
Ld G' H. Cavendish's Bramble, 7st. 121 b. - 4
Mr. Payne's Bulrush, 7st. tzlb. - - -

. •
2to t agst Fanny-5 to 2 agst Tumbler.
D. of Greifion's Pope, 7st. 710. beat M r. ShaNe, ,„1
Harpocrates, Bst. 71b. Across the f -- lat, 2oogs. 5 tc:":31:5
Pope.
Mr. Pavne's b. c. by Waxy, out of Tarantula, Bst' e.
beat Mr.Vansittares b. c. Gloster, by Cheshire Cheese,
41b. R. M. zoos. tt.-6 to on Mr. Paye's b 5
Ld Darlingtong's Musician, Ss4 t. 131 b. beat Ld Grosvcrj°;i•
Benvolio, 21st.. Act. ss the Flat, 2oegs.--li to 8 agst
cian.
filliesW'
Sweepstakes of tocis. each, h. ft. colts Sst. 71b.
21b. Last 3M.0f8. C.
D. of Grafton's b. c. Doleful by Sorcerer (walked over) Lc-
-I.d jersey's Robin, Bst. 41b. rec. front Ld Darlington,
vans, 7st. 1 t Ib. • Twoly r old-Course, 2oogs. r
D. of Grafton's Doleful, Bst. 710. tee. scgs. from •
Kinnaird's Don Juan, Bst, 214. Ab. M. toogs. , rec•
Mr. F. Craven's cit. t. farinette, by King Biadud, d,—doot
from Mr. Scrope's c. by Allibrosio, out of Stapliitotis
Bst. 31b. Two-yr Course, toogs. 25gs. ft.