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London, England, 1810-04-14 00:00:00

spnmible by. tlern. The principle was in itself
enough, It had long been the practice to ask for
st-,,711 so:hrities. He had already 'stated that Mr.
Ridge had;been ordered to find such securities, and
th,it ther bond had been prepared but never executed
!,), him, ihough it was by the other persons who
.wire to be concerned in it. .The 'Hon. Gentleman
had stated that it had always been the practice to give
• new. securities under each' new Master. He did
not that"to he the fad, he dill not believe it to
bes 6. The bonds-were given, no,. to the Master of
the 0 nat e,,hin to the_King,„and they continued
in force a long as the same agent was continuo
,in
(*log, . Gentiemo seemed-to thitilrbe
wistlel to charge hiM with negled unjustly. Hey
had no Intention of doing; so. He still maintained
'ha, it was not the date *of t he Clerk of the Ordnance
to taket te`securities,..but he had a right toshew
who. s "enVed to say liis.(Mr. alt•raft's) condutt had
been sy. much
.bet ter than- hiS(Mr.:CooPer's), that
he also (Mr. ,ilcriift) had 'been guilty of an omis-
sion as well as liiintelf. As he wished to meet •
socit cases he would mention' another, that of Mr..
,whO waS placed in a sit&atiOii of trust
to the ainottni of 163;0001. annually,' yet from
whom nots,,curities were taken. If, such an omis-
sion merited censure on the part of the Clerk of
,the Orauance, the Hon. Gentleman was as cul-
pable himsell. He, howey6r, did not charge hint
with-any • neJeCt, as that was not within t he_ pro-
vince of the Clerk of the, Ordnairce: He bad no
~obje6.tion :to the motion. -
Mr. CALCR AFT - wished for the -prodnetion of
those parts of the instrutious drawn up in the time
of Charles the Second, which the Hon..,Genileman
thou ht bore him out in what he had stated. ,The
Hon. Gentle Man drew back 'since the' .night before
Oo further.inquiry.he had found the case would not
suit his purpose. It was not till there was astir 1
about. Hunt 4 hat Mr. Ridge's securities were thought
,vould bring Mr. Ridge to the Bar of that
HOOse and prove what he had advanced.' He would
have Aye or No on the subject The case of HOp-
kinson, had been brought fortvarfl,
Give hitn.a day to look into it, al4he had no doubt
but he should be able to give a satisfaaory explana
tion. He-wished those opposite to bring .forward
all the charges they could against himself and those •
with whom he had a6ted. If they could not defend •
their aaioos, let them sink under the censure of the
House, as the present Board had done. It was ab- •
thyd for Gentlemen on the other side to try to recri-
rninale, and he, it Le were the Chaiii:ellor of the
Exchequer; would be ashamed of so doing. The
case of Mr. Ridge, far from-making good the.charge
of neglect which had, ben, preferred, would' prove
.;
directly the contrary. He wished they would look
into all the di:Ai of that MipiniSfration of n htch he
had formed a part, and. if they Would 'copy some of
theM, the station .would gain litiudreds of thousands
by t;:eir so doing: . •
LoNo.contended that the case of Mr. Ridge .
.had never been brought forward as a " set off," but
when the Hon. Gentleman oppwite, came for Ward
and said " look at- me'7—" I did all. this, Sce."
The, Hon. Gentleman (Mr. A. cooper). had ,:stiewn
that he did n.,t. Fle,h and blood could
.not bear
it. He had. them shewn from the .case of Mt.
Ridge; that the' Hon. Gentleman -opposite was not

rom error.

quite tree
Sir.J. NEWpoRT said, if his Majesty's. Ministers
could brirg forward anv CharEi- •=4. neglect:\ 4eainst
that side et,the House, they deserted.their duty An
stalling io do.so. It was -their uniform condo& to
recriminate, but most particularly it was the delight
of the Chancellor of ihe'Exchequer.. On all Occa-.
Mons he was ready to brjag• forward something of
that sort, and say, °' if we have done wrong, you did
worse." This; far from excusing-the misconduct of
Ministers; was an additional charge -aeainst them ;
if, knowing their opponents had done wrong, they
forbore,.: to proceed against them.
CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER agreed
with Gentlemen opposite, that et-Ailing could be
less a justification of the Conde& of. Ministers than
finding fault- with others. , Nothing couldbe farther
from his intentions than a wish to build his charac-
ter, or theChardaer of his friends; on the failings of
others, a id really he did not think the House; or
the country, would think highly of him, or of his
friends, because the) stood a little higher than Gen-.
tlettien opposite.—lf 'the Honourable Gentleman
had the same ideasof.the-duiies ef the office he had
held, while he filled-that situation, as he appeared
• to entertain yeS;erday, from the view he had of his
duty he was 'in a greater degice.enlpable than had
been supposed. The Right. Honourable Gentle-
Man then went over the sane grounds as Mr. A.
Cooper, with respea to the provisions in the in-
struotions, the responsibiley of -officers, Six._ Per-
eons Coming inn-) otfice.had a right. 'finding Places
of that
,descrivtipn tillea up, to soppose the- proper
securities had beep given. But it had been said the-
. Chancellor of the Exchequer, in particular,. was.
always finding out !•oine stijed ofrecritnination.
lf" he did al .rays recriminate when :they came for-
ward with their charges against. GOv'ertiiront; did it
n follov that he al .e. ys had an opportunity of so
dong ? Thus it appeared t at in thirteen months
the r Administratiou had contrived to make up a
sanwie of all that ha been complained of for
the last t wr.trty .or thirty years. --He could not but
own that they had beet) very
.adroit in .such a little
_time to aCt so
-as to furnish out' of their abundance a
cpanterpart to every thing of which. they cote-
plaitied. This was the. consequent e of that Con-
`ceneatiOn of talent of which they had vaunted so,
meet). The charges madeegainst them.tiad not been
intended to reduce them ,below the ordinary stan-
dad of men in point of talent ; but to think that an
Hon. Gentleman should come there and plume •him-e
self so much on what he had done, when such an
Omission could be, proved, was too much to be borne
,in silence. At really was but just to give him a.biat
teethe subject. If the Hon.•Gentle.inan wiShed for
information en the subject he' had no objeolion to
granting it; he would only state that on the preced--
ing day, when he entered that Honse, he had no
more intention of.speakine of the case'of Mr. Ridge
t tan be had, of :discussing•the concerns of the Eni-,*
perer,of Morocco. That case would not have been
brought forward: but for the exultation of the Hon.
Geattletwo opposite., • •
Mr. VoNsu-NBY observed the Right Honourable
G. In ietuan seemed perfectly satisfied that he stood
to lived Of tto foil,' and, that the higher he rose in-
e tike, the•greAter were his talents, and the greater
tln
.ad;ui; atiya. of the eetyle.—His.good nature,. be

appeared convinced in his own mind, was equal to
Otis capacity, as though capable of charging thoie
opposed to- him with great negleti and numerous_
errors, he magnanimously forbore to do.- These
Amiable qualities so eminently distinguished him,. in
Ins own Opinion, that be (Mr. Ponsonby) knew not
which most to admire hint for, his modesty with
respeatto himself, or the-forbearance he-displayed tO-
warch others. Het hen contrasted the caseOfM r.Ridge
ivith that of Mr. Hunt, tend argued,at length on the
much greater negle& in the latter case than in the
former. He called on the Chancellor of • the Ex-
'chequer to.depart Irom.his usual course-of good na-
ture and forbearance to make whatever charges he
could against him and his frienels. This they de-
sired, and there were only two things which they
would not desire of Ministers, commendation and
compassion. •

Mr. CALCRAIT held in his hand the security of
Mr. Ridge, dated February 24, 1810, this was
joint and separate. If there was but one security
he believed that one would be responsible at
law,, and thus the public would be secure. He
did -net accuse 'Ministers of recrimination, but of
attempt :at recrimination. Their charges 'fell to
the ground ; and of those brought against them,
though some of them .were set aside by their-ma-
jorities, others Were.registered on the Journals. The
Chancellor of the Exchequer had said he had no
objeaion to grant the' information required. He
(Mr. C ) was.much obliged to him; but the House
would see fair play when one of its Members•was
abu4ed. The Cof Chancellor the txchequer.: -taias.-if he bad the House of CommonS in his H. Chet.
He did not ask him tor it, he c:manded it, be in-
.sisted on it from the House, and though he might
be refused it by a maiArity of the 'House, they
could not refuse to hear him, and luCkity.the words
of the MeMberS of that -use, went forth' to "the
country. His constituents would see thew, atd the
people would do him jutice.
Mr. Wisp 'called upon the Speaker to puta stop
to such unconstitutional language.
Mr. CALCAFT was sorry he had been disorderly,
but sneaking of the House of Cominons as being
in the pocket ..of the Chancellor of Or Ex-
chequer, he did not think could be exactly un-
constitutional. The House of Commons wis not
in his pocket ;, he had been relieved of •thlt bur-
den by the 'independent Circle. which surrounded.
him. _

The question was then put and agreed to, witl4-
out opposition.

. . • •
.Mk. A. Cooma, then moved for papers-. telat-
jug to the securities of Mr. Hopkinson. •

brderecl.