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there were branches of the national bank, and joint-stock bank-
ers, properly maintaining the circulating medium of the coun-
try. He admitted that the case was in some instances different
formerly. He remembered the establishment of one bank by a
country apothecary, who had only his shop, with either full or
empty boxes, and a Captain of Dragoons, who had only
his troop ; and yet they contrived in the short space•of two
years to Issue 490,000/. of notes, which eventually diffused the
greatest misery among the surrounding population. • The prin.,
ciple of the proposed change was seamtl, but they must be
cautious in its application ; and he had
the
apprehensions
whether they could supply with gold the vacancy occasioned
by the suppression of the small notes throughout the kingdom
generally. It was practicable in England, but not so in Ire-
land and Scotland at the same time. Ile reminded the House
that he was the only perssn who had raised his voice against
the reissuing of the small notes. -
Sir CHARLES. FORBES said, that the proposed mea-
sure was perfectly unnecessary and uncalled for. The Hon.
Baronet- proceeded to observe, in alluding to the observations
of the Chancellor of the Exchequer on a former evening, re-
specting the letters ascribed to the great Scotch novelist, that
it was beneath the-dignity of the Ilouse to notice the luctibra-
tions of an Anonymous writer—he meant Mr. Mac—what's his
name—(baud laughter) :—he agreed in opinion with the Mem-
ber for Montrose, that it was but trifling with the time of the
House, anti below its dignity, to notice the productions of that
anonymous person. So little curiosity had he (Sir C. Forbes)
respecting those letters, that he could assure the House upon
his honour_( Renewed laughter)—he had never read a line of
them. Before he sat down, be could not but observe that the
statement made by the Right Hon. Gentleman (the Chancellor
of the Exchequer) the other night, differed materially from the
Budget of 1823, which was a fair straight.t'orward John Bull
statement, and.not at all like that which the House had lately
heard. He saw no necessity for this Committee—it was un-
called for and unnecessary ; but he would vote for it in compli-
ment to Scotland. He had no interest to forward by adopting
that course. Ile thought it, necessary to say so, because he
was a governor of the Old Bank of Edinburgh ; but, notwith-
standing that connection, he did nut hold but a single share its
the concern, and consequently could not be supposed to be in-
fluenced by interested motives. lie disclaimed any intention
of impeding the measure, and he called upon the Gentlemen
connected with Scotland to express their sentiments.
Alderman WOOD was surprised that there should be an in-
quiry as. to Scotch Banks in particular, because he thought the
system (hero was so perfect that it did nut require any altera-
tion or' improvement. He say no reason for an inquiry, but if
such were necessary, it should extend generally. He would
williingly join any Scotch Member in dividing the House on
the question.
'l'. WILSON agreed with the Worthy Alderman that
there should be no inquiry respecting Scotch Banks : sufficient
mischief had been done by interfering with English Banks, and
if an inquiry took place into the banking system of Scotland,
mischirf.would also follow. The House had enough of busi-
ness on hand, and if Scotland was meddled with, Ireland should
likewise be considered, and in this way considerable delay as
well as mischief' would arise.

General HA HT expressed himself in favour of the Committee..
The question being put by the SPEAKER, n few cries r.f
" No, no," were heard ; but the opposition being partial, the
:notion was carried without the House dividing. Amongst the
names of the Members of the Committeee we collected the fol-
lowing:—The Chancellor of the Exchequer, Mr. Peel, Mr.
Tierney, Mr. Willia►n Dundalk, Sir John 'Newport, Mr. John
Smith, Mr. HuMe, Mr. Baring, Captain Cordon, Sir IlenrY
Parnell, the Lortl Advocate, Lord. Archibald Hamilton, and
Mr. Pascoe Grenfell.
WESTM NST R ABBEY.

Mr. HUME rose to submit his promised motion respecting
the charges for admissions to view the public monuments in
Westminster Abbey. Ile began by observing, that the sub.
j act of paying for admission to the Abbey had been frequently
discussed by the Ilouse, and he understood, in consequence of
the feeling that prevailed in those discussions, that these
charges had been partially reduced. The revenues arising
from the Abbey, he understood, amounted to 20A01. per an-
num, exclusive of the Rums paid for admission's. The officers
connected with the establishment were remunerated by fees,
contrary to the spirit of the charter, and in opposition to the
right of the public to view the monuments without expellee.
It' the Honse had been at the expence of that establishment. it
was but right that it should be open to public inspection. Ile
felt as strongly as any one the,necessity of preserving those ve-
nerable monutnents from being mutilated, but he also frit, as
they had been erected at the public expense, he public had a
tight to he admitted to view them. A correspondence had been
put into 11;s hands last year, by which it appeared that the per-
sona who showed visitors to the abbey were paid by the funds
arising from the fees which were paint by those whose curiosity
led them to view the monuments. Now this system of paying
for admission to the . Abbey was of recent origin. Fifty years
ago there were no such charges in existence ; the public were
then athnitted to the monuments without any expence. As the
present was the first vote which the Parliament had been called
upon to make, it was incumbent on the House to inquire what
right the Dean and Chapter had to charge for the admission of
the public. If the Dean and Chapter were poor, and unable to
pay the expenc4s of their establishment without resorting to such
means, it nigh f be expedient to allow the practice of taking ad
mission fees; but as the fact was otherwise, it was right that
they should be abilished. Public opinion bad been kludly
and frequently expressed in reprobation of the custom; but
the Dean and Chapter still persisted in maintaining it. The
practice of receiving feet at the Abbey was most disgraceful,
and he protested against the principle of public monuments
being exhibited for money. If therefore, Parliament, or the
Government, had the power to prevent the Dean and Chapter
from sanctioning practices that were ao unpopular, he trusted
that that paw er would be exerted to prevent their recurrence.
Ile therefore moved for a return of the charges made for the
admission of persons to .Westminster Abbey, for the last five
years, and the manner,in which those sums had been appro.
printed.
Mr. "EEL. could see no immediate objection to the motion
of the lion. Uentlemimkplthough he did not exactly coincide
with the view which ire-lied taken of the subject. The lion.
Gentleman was in error in supposing that the Dean and Chap.
ter could be compelled to admit the public free of charge.
Westminster Abbey did not afford an exception to other places
of a like nature where fees were taken. He was also wrong in
stating that so late as fifty }ears ago no fees were taken for
admission to the Abbey. By a reference to ancient records, it
would be found that money was demanded and taken for ad-
mission, and by a document which
,he (Mr. Peel) held in his
hand, dated 1813, that fact was clearly established ; so that
the practice was not of such recent origin as the Hon.. Member
for Montrose had stated. The fees taken for the admission of
visitors were divided between the minor canons and the persons
who composed the choir. The incomes of those persons might
be averaged at lOW. a year each, about OM of which they de-
rived front the fees. The House should observe, that in bbe-
ments earl ted. It did nhtieti
rai,irtto)
tuenc
ot on nftroornel nuutt
ltahtei
oleic
aujsiot oftei
yt hree
qmu tirneud:
thence to its wishes, the admission fee had considerably decrees-
was open to the public three times in each day, and
artists were admitted without any charge. The admission fee,
in defrrence to the opinion of the /louse, had been already re.
duced front 2s. to ls. 3d.---a sum which could not be consi-
dered very immoderate, when the safety of the monuments
was thereby insured. The Honourable Member (Mr. Mime)
wits also wrong in stating that the Dean and Chapter had not
expended money on the repairs of the Abbey. It appeared
thaethe sum at' 153,8131. had been laid out in a series of br,
provenients ; and within the last twelve years 40,0001. had been
expended in repairs. Taking the average of this sum, it would
leave 3,3301. fix. ad, for each year so that the Dean and Chaper
had not been so remiss us the don. Gentian= had supposed.
Al uch good had also been produced by having u fixed and deli-
nite charge for admission, instead of leaving the remuneration to
the generosity of the visitors. Having stated so far, and wish-
ing the -subject to be fairly brought forward, Inc did not wish
to throw any obstacle in the way of the lion. Member's
motion.

---iii.IIOBIIOUSE expressed a wish to see a reformation
eflimted with respect to the practice of receiving money from
the public who came to see the monuments. yet he wished that
they should be protected from injury, and that those relies
which were venerable from time, and endeared by the recollec-
tions which they raised, should be held sacred and tree from
mutilation. It was true,
its stated by the Secretary for the
Home Department, that improvements had taken place, and
he agreed in opinion with the flight lion. Gentleman, that there
should be some check to .the indiscriminate admission of the
public. There should, he (Mr. Hobliouse) conceived, be a
person appointed to preserve the monuments from injury, but
this tnight be accomplirheti without taxing the public.
Mr. W. SMITH said, that it was probable a much larger
sum heti been divided by the canons than that which was stated
by the Right Don. Secretary.
Mr. PEEL replied, that the Dean and Chapter had never
made any charge.
Mr. SYKEt said, that when he recollected that those mo..
gHmonn.tedSebcyretthaeryn,
numents were erected at, the public expence, he could not but
feel that the public had a right to view them as Often as they
eittiii4alrid
pleased. With reference, to what bad fallen from the Right
ncoltlacp=ct to say that the patent was
Illr. PEEL (across the tabig_The patent was granted by
the Dean and Chapter.
Mr. BARING said, that in ancient times cathedrals were
open for the athnissien of all persons at all times of the day ;
end at present in Catholic countries any person who demanded
it was admitted into theta without restriction. If the Dean and
Chapter of this cathedral claimed the power of excluding'
parties, they ought to show the right on which such claim was

asserted. He would admit that something ought, to be given
for admission; but that ought to be as little as possible.—
(Hear, hear!)
Mr. P.M. said that he had been misunderstood, if he were
supposed to have, said that the Dean and Chapter asserted- the
right of eXcluding persons at all times of the day. The cathe-
dral was, he understooL open three times a stay to every per.
son who claimed admiNance. .
Mr. Alderman WOOD said it was open to rho ,;110, chose
to go and,hear service 614 A theonomentifervipe,was ended, the'
parties who remainedlolOok alsout at the huinuments were
asked for money, for the permission to do so.
Mr. HUME said, that the reffisal to allow parties to remain
after service, was in effect a virtual prohibition; anti he knew
Of no right by which such refusal was warranted. It was stated
that the fund thus collected at the doors of the Cathedral were
appropriated to the payment of the minor canons ; but that was
not necessary, as there were certain tithes and emoluments be.
longing to them, which were quite sufficient for their support;
but those tithes were, as he was informed, lately appropriated
by the Dean and Chapter to other purposes.
Mr. H. Gu ItNEY and Mr. 31 °Nei: objected to any regula-
tion of the Dean and Chapter, which went to deprive the minor
canons of those tithes that belonged to them. It was unfair
they should be left depbndent on the-funds collected for admis-
sion at the doors.

The motion was then put, and agreed to.
BANK CHARTER AMENDMENT BILL.

In answer to a question from Mr. BARING;
The CH NCELIJOR of the EXCHEQUER said, lie would
postpone the Committee on this Bill till Monday.

REPORT OF SUPPLY.

On the motion of the CHANCELLOR of the EXCLIE-
QLTER, the Report of Supply was brought up, and the several
resolutions were agreed to.

IRISH ESTIMATES.

Mr. HUME wished to know whether it was intended to
bring on the Irish Estimates tomorrow (this day.) He under.
stood that some of them wete not printed.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, that he
was not aware that they were not in print ; but at all events
they were not different in any material point from those of last
year. It was the intention of his Right Hon. Friend Mr. Gout-
burn to bring them on, except the estimate for the expence of
education in Ireland, which would be deterred for a short time.
If there were any other item to which a fair objection could be
made tomorrow, it would also be deferred till next week.
CRUEL. TREATMENT OF CATTLE BILL.

hlr. R. MARTIN moved the second reading of this Bill.
The SOLICITOR-GENERAL objected to the Rill, as
being too general and indefinite in its enactments ; but he
added, that be would not enter into the details of his objections
at that moment.

Mr. It. MARTIN defended the principle of the Bill, and
maintained the general accuracy of the statements he had made
on a former occasion as to the instances of cruelty practised on
several animals, and what lie had said of the cruelty practised
in Oxfordshire towards a bull. It was true that the tongue
had been torn out of die animal while alive ; but it was not
sent round on a plate, but on a piece of paper. The other cases
of cruelty he had mentioned were also substantially correct.—
One of the cases he had stated-:-that of the flaying of a dog
alive—was told him by a highly respectable Magistrate, Mr.
Halls, of Bow•street Office. The lion. Member then went on
to say that he thought he should have great reason to complain
of the .-Nttorney-Generitl,if he either opposed or sanctioned any
opposition to the present Bill ; for this Bill was in substance a
copy of one which, on a tinnier occasion, had been corrected and
approved of by that Learned Gentleman ; at least it only dif-
fered from in the following particulars, that the words " dog
and other domesticated animals," which were not in the former
Bill, had been introduced into the present one, as also a pro-
viso, which had been added in consequence of an objection
which had been raised Against the former Bill in the House of
Lords, that without such proviso it might have the effect of re-
pealing'a very beneficial enactment, called Sir James Mackin.
tosh's Act, for preventing the ill-treating of cattle.
Mr. Alderman WOOD said, he could not support the pre-
sent bill ; and he thought he had good reason to complain of
the Hon. Member for having deserted his post the other even-
ing when the flogging of men was under discussion ; lie trusted
that when that question should next come on to be agitated,
the Hon. Member would consider it his duty to favour the
House with his attendance, anti that he would not, in the
mean time, expend all his smpathy upon dogs and rats, but
that lie would reserve some small portion of it, at least, for Iris
own species.
Mr. O. LAMB did not particularly object to the introduc-
tion of tho word " dog," but he considered the whole Bill ex-
ceptionable ; and he thought the lion. Member would have
advanced his object much more, if he had supported the Itill
by arguing it on the merits, instead of entering so much into
' detail as- to conversations which had passed between himself
and the Attorney-General resecting it.
Mr. LOCKHART said that he had supported the Hon.
Member's first Bill, and that he was also favourable to the ob•
ject which the present Bill had in view ; but that he could not
give it his support, because lie did not conceive that it was at
all calculated for the attainment of that object.
Mr. TRA NT was adverse to the Bill, and'moved by way of
amendment, that it be read n second time this day six months.
Mr. WARRE thought dint the Honourable Member had
already brought about sufficient legislation on this subject, and
that it was not politic in him to press this measure any further.
Mr. MARTIN, in reply, said, that lie thought if it was
merely ou account of the introduction of the word dog, that
most Iliithful of animals, this Bill deserved to be permitted to
go into u Committee. The Honourable' Member then recapi-
tulated his former statements as to the cruelties which had
been practised upon this-animal ; after. which, Mr. Tram's
amendment was put and agreed to, and so the Bill was thrown
out.

other orders were then disposed of, and the House ad-
journed at TWELVE o'Cr.ocK.

FLANDERS MAIL.

[Received last night.]

GHENT, 111Ancil 14.—11 y a Decree of the 10th his Ma-
jesty has granted to the Chevalier de Coninck the permission
which he has long solicited, to resign the office of Minister of
Foreign /Mir*: he retains the title and rank of Minister of
State.

Baron J. G. Verstolk Van Zoelenn, who has held the office
ad interim, is now appointed Minister of Foreign Affairs.
Baron Van Ilickeren, Charge d'Affaires ad interim at the
Court of Russia, is appointed Ambassador Extraordinary and
Minister Plenipotentiary to the same Court.
The following is an extract of a private letter from Luxem-
burg of the 10th of this month :
" You undoubtedly know that the federal fortress of Lux-
emburg was to be delivered up to the German Confederation.—
Some well.informed persons, however, believe that the King of
the Netherlands will not give,up the fortress to the Confedera-
tion, except on certain conditions. We have at this time in our
city three Lieutenant-Generals, three Major-Generals, and a
Prince.

" One of our journals says, that the ring bequeathed by the
late Bishop of Namur to his Majesty the King of the Nether.
lands",is the same that the Emperor Napoleon sent to that
venerable prelate, as a testimony of his satisfaction with the
zeal displayed by him in his honourable functions.
" The will of the Bishop of Namur is a monument of Chris.
tian charity. The Philosophical College could not be men.
tioned in it, for it is dated the 29th June, 182 h"
ST. WENDELL, Matten 2.—The temporary separation
which has subsisted since the Month of September, 1824, be-
tween his Serene Highness the Duke of Cobourg Saalfeld,
Prince of Lichtenstein, and his consort (a Princess of Saxe
Gotha Altenburg), has just been tendered permanent by'a
formal decree of divorce between the parties.

FRAN Nrowr, Matto' O.—Lieut.:General Count Lieven,
Russian Antbassaclor to the British Court, has arrived here
froth London.

Journal Uniikrsal of the 9th contains the following post-

cript :

" Wo are at this Moment informed of the failure of the
house of Callarnan wane, nt Vienna, whose father who died
five years ago, left thew a fortune of 5,000,000 of florins."

.eulidanl6tCll pounds, one
dogs, belonging to Captain
LYON,
mile
yards) in nine minutes, end worked in this man-
ner for seven or eight hours a day. (171,0
dErsarg