The Sun.
London, England, 1810-04-17 00:00:00

t - He p
ex &, thought neces,ary, °wet, r„ :v
read from the,
Journal. what ikiaS there recorded rd-
speaing-that submission. It there appeared; that .
Mr. Jones had, When called to the Bar; eitpre,Seci
his sorrow for having erred therein. He said that
he did not rises to add any thing to the strcrig Rego,-
ments brought forward in support of .his metion, but
to observe -updtt' one or twhi- indireet insinualiona
which had been thrown out a,gaihst his motives in
bringing forward this tnuiiun. It Lad been said, *
in allusion to.the Westininqer Meeting, that was
to take place to-inerrow, that the opportunity had
been anxiously wit':hd• for, or eagerly catight at. If
aoy rnan thoudt.t that he (Sir Shini.ei). con:d be so
influenced,' iinthat. or an y. ohlier proceediog, to that
Man he would not condeseend josh
He could not. have foreseen, when he had wally
given notice of this•itiotion, that it Would not.have
Come on till:then: . Neither could ,he, with pro.
priety, haVe consented to poatpene it fill after the
recess, as that would .be dehlying for three. weeki
froM the time first fixed upon tor the eulargetnebt
of the person, in case the House should then
.agree
this Motion: This Was no trillieg consideration to
a-trian in such ill-health as he underchocelhhlr. Jones
to be. Anotherconsideratiorhin favour of bringing •
on this,diseussion. raflierbefore than after the meet-7
ing at Westminster was, that he could not he cer-
tain thht there rnight*.not he Resolutions proposed
to which' lie(IVI-r. Jones') Was not atall instrumental.
Ile might yet sutler iii conseqtlenec: of the nature of.;.
shell Resoltuihns., makidgft-rather a delicate -mat-;
ter to submit that proposition: to the Moose. Sir
Samuel then ptoceedetl to, argue briefly that there
was 'noievariable'rpleotriniring petition on the part
*of the- prisoner,. since the Warrant. stated /simply.
during pleasure ;" whereas;. was , that ,the rule,
it :ought to contain. .also the words and until
.the said prisoner has:shbrnittedto the House." -Aro-
Iher thing that sheaved the usage not so • general
was, ..thatdifle-reot Gentlemen did not agr-e among
each other as to: the fthins of the praelice--i-as
whethetethe petition should simply express sorrow ;
or, also- cerilesS: guilt, end acknowledge the_juS-.
deer
,of the pimislitneot. • A_ Right Honourable
Gontlethan had denied that the punishment* was.
Sutficiently severe. This was not to be ar-
gued upon---4t was'a, matter of feeling. He had
been charged with soplihnnh and a blbw had been
given by anticipanon to Bills now-'pending, and in
the ...uccess of which: he, acknowledged he felt a
lively interest. The'
. uphn Which they had
been founded was said to be a sophism, but he felt
consoled by the assurance,• that we a,ever were their .
riaerits, the 'House would not peejedge them. But_
it had been' said that the punishment, for contumely
was a poniShment for an offence in addition to the first, and that it was in- Ms. Jones's power to• ter-
minate, that punislitnenth--Thete was a- law•ouce
very prevalent indifferent parts of th.e"
and he 'believed now: existing in
sseme countries,
that no malefactor condemned fora capital otthece*
should, be. executed before- he - had confessed' his
' crime, and.this, confession wesevorted by the tor-
tote rack. The cases of Ciavering and. Seuclen had ,
been relied upon, but they really appeared as cases
. that ought. to have -been cited, in order to skew the
injustice of Stich rule—Sandon_ was committed for
prevarication pf )a very gross and, wanton nature--
the other was cortenitted for preverication by no
• means so aggraveted. Bandon 5f2....t in an atjeit
- tition, acknowledging his guilt, and. was folthwi
disc:hat-3yd; the other continued a prisoner the
whole of . the 'Session, rather than say that he was
conscious of ptevarication. He might plead con-
, lesion of understanding, and so, far comparatively re-
deem his charseter. It had been said that- the, pun-
islunetit wegh after all, limited, as he must he en-
larged at the end of the Session ;- but this meant
rather that' their power Was limited, not the punish-
ment, for the King was not bound to prordgue. a
'Patliament—and thus the liberty of the subject was
transferred to the pewer of the Crown,-and was
that a state in which the criminal jurisdi6tion of that
House ought to remain ? He concluded by a so,
}emu declaration, that if he, werein the situation of
iqr. Joint Gale Jones, he would sacrifice his liberty,-
highly as he valued it,
.before he would consent to.
purchaSe it by. a' pititut.rqtraOation of hiseval semi-
merits, -compromising his -charaEter, and violating
his integrity.
The kiheSe then divided', when the numbers
were--

• For the mofion'
Against it . - -
r6u
- Majority against it
Mr. WALLACE wished to state to the House A
f 4 a which had just come to, his knowledge: ,Sub-
sequent to the publication of the-sgeech of the Hoti.
13<u-onet opposite, he understood an 'apology had
been sent by the 'editorof the :paper in which it ap,
pearedi • • -

Sir J ANSTRUTHER wished it to be understood he
,had not caused in any way the sobjeet to be brought
forward. He did not know that it was theinten.
tion of the Honourable-Gentleman opposite to takd
up. 'the subjea, or he would, have desired him to
give up his design, and let it alObe. lie'first knew
of The offence fi otn the receipt of the apoL);:y.
Mr. WALLACE confirmed -the- stateme.it of ihe
,Bight Hon. Baronet, as. Li; .his. being •wbolty unlc-
gnainted with his mtentions.---[Elere- the Conversa-
tion eildedj. _ ,

. . .
Mi. WHITBREAD wed to know, now they
liaj reached tilt, 16111 of Aiifil, in- what state of for-
wardness the arrangements were at the Stamp
Otiice, which were to ha've been completed in the
preseht Thont h. It' they :were not likely to 13±.t.,cotn-
pleird before May, he should make some motion
on the subjeti.
Mr.'WHARTort replied, 'that when he came into
"Ofike he was told, that though the business.. Was
complicated; it might be got through with by April.
.In auswer to ;els renewed inquiries, he had beet, in-
formed it could. not be arranged as early as was ex-
peac-it ' ~, -- • -- ' .

Mr. WmiTßßEADihen gave notice that he'would
matte a motion On the subject shortly after the holi-
dvs. lie must .say, Oaf if the business had been
set, about as an individual would go about his own
concerns, it would haVe been completed long ago.