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II The SPEAKER observed, that the Noble Lord
ad put a most argumentative question to the Right
'lnn. Secretary, and he apprehended that it was
I.try much out of order.

rroper to give Orders' that the Ambassador should
r)ritv suspend his functions. But it appeared that
he had convoked the ancient Cortes of Portugal, in
litter defiance of the Charter—that in the Gazettes
I,lll)fished under his authority he had been stiled by
the title of Majesty, instead of that of Prince Re-
"nt ; the title of Majesty only belonging to the
King, his brother, or to his niece, in whose favour
he had resigned the Sovereignty. Looking at all
these things, it was impossible, therefore, not to
that the crime of rebellion was complete, and
that the present Ruler of Portugal Could be regarded
no other light than as an usurper.—(Hear, hear.)
---,Under these circumstances, he would ask if the
,70Yernment had given any directions to the Am-
uessador of this country to quit the kingdom
of Portugal ? There was another circumstance
k'hieh he felt bound to allude to, as very incon-
sistent with the decided conduct which the Go-
!'l'otnent of this country was called upon to adopt
in such an emergency. The letters which were
addressed by a Noble Lord holding a high situa-
;l(''n under the Government, have been declared to
ie intended, not to destroy, but to promote the ob-
it'ets of that Government in support of the Consti-
tutional system in Portugal. Unfortunately, how-
erer, the intention of these letters has been very ill
li,nderstood, and the impressions which have got
4uroad respecting them seem to produce a very gene-
ral belief, that although the Government of this
country is not lisposed to interfere openly in behalf
of the detigns of Don Miguel, yet, that it would not
ue at all displeased to see the absolute authority
nich he covets reposed at once in his hands. The
Noble Lord concluded by asking the Right Hon.
Gentleman two questions—first, whether any direc-
tions had been given to the British Ambassador
t 0
suspend his functions at the scat of Government
1n Portugal and next, whether the Right Hon.
Gentleman
was prepared to say, when, or under
'hat circumstances, the Ambassador had received
instructions to prepare to quit the country ? To
the last question the Right Hon. Gentleman was
not strictly bound to give a direct reply ; and if it
produce any inconvenience he would not
Press it ; but, to the first, he hcped to be favoured
l'lth an answer.

Lord JOHN RUSSELL, in explanation, saict,
that he intended to put the question yesterday
going into the Committee of Supply, when
'it Would have been perfectly regular, and he had
fili'ferred it until to-day, at the request of the Right
4t°ll- Gentleman himself.

Mr. Secretary PEEL confirmed the statement of
t" Noble Lord, and admitted that he had, on ac-
c'tlnt of the extreme importance of the subject, re-
:il'lested the postponement of the question until that
4 With respect now to the question of the Noble
Laryo, he begged to say that he had already taken
an Opportunity of stating to the House, that his Ma-
Jeßty's Government so entirely disapproved of the
i%c"Titlect of the individual who at present ruled over
cqtugal that they had ordered the diplomatic func-
Aler)dils of the Ambassador to be immediately suspen-
• That Ambassador, it was almost unnecessary
th? 'ay, bad received instructions for the guidance of
13 conduct,• under certain contingencies, but he was
r?telbe Noble Lord would at once see the manifest
'''Ndventage under which his Majesty's Government
,141 d be placed if they either disclosed the nature of
'°se contingencies, or the instructions which were
finned
rto depend upon them. lie had not the
;Igiltest doubt, however, that when the time came
;ir making these instructions public, and when the
b 'use was in possession of the course of policy adopted
by
Government, the Noble Lord wouldgi ye it his ap-
F'ebation. It could not be doubted that there was a ma-
disposition, if not to subvert by open force the
411thotitj, of the King of Portugal, at least to under-
tllltle it, for the purpose of destruction, by a policy
not
the less dangerous because it may not be openly
?I'elyed. The British Minister was accredited to
15 Regent of Portugal as the representative of its
o?l'ereign, but not to Don Miguel ruling with the
tiic3lute authority of a Sovereign. With respect to
eorrespondehce to which the Noble Lord al-
-"(-1, he had not the slightest hesitation in saying.
iiat if
.any inference was drawn from the nature of
at correspondence that the Government was se-
:1;"ly favourable to the designs of the present Ruler
11' Portugal, nothing could be more utterly and en-
tiel3' unfounded. He begged it to be understood
bb 4t the-correspondence, of whatever nature it might
e, was the act of an individual, and not of the Ge-
Witpment, and that it in no way changed the opinions
'ich the Government entertained upon the subject.
Mir. HoBHOUSE beggc,4 to know whether the
°vernment of this country had adopted any
A.igures for the preservation of British property, in
event of any reverses being suffered by the Con-
,tutional.forces ? He 'understood that British Mer-
ti'l'ilts had a great deal of property in Oporto, and
Right lion. Gentleman would see, that in the
dent of any reverses being suffered, then the most
t4Etdful consequences must ensue, if they were left
bProtected.
ei Mr. Secretary :PEEL replied, that under any
Nhmstanees of civil contests, the British Govern-
! itIN. would never disregard what was due to the
trests of its sultjects.

SHIPPING TRADE.
Sir JAMES GRAHAM, on the part of his Hon.
h
tend, the Member for Hull, presented a petition
o,`ltii the Ship-owners of that town, complaining of
t depressed, state of the shipping interests. The
b'
v'litioners stated the utter impossibility of their en-
tllang into any competition with foreigners, while
r ty continued' to labour under their present dared-
At. Besides the heavy burthen of taxation, which
o 'her
were compelled to hear in common with the
oto`ler branches of the community, there were some
rt'uliar burthems imposed upon the shipping trade.
an first place, they were not allowed to navigate
hips built in foreign ports, although such yes-
-1,11 could be purchased at half-price. In the next
I),ltee; they were compelled to take a certain num-
a-11‘ of apprentices to navigateiheir vessels, and at
gtil same time they were prohibited from repairing
vessels in a foreign port, beyond the extent of
tt'aty shillings in every ton, although those repairs
tild he done at a rate so far below what is charged
ngland. After enumerating various other
tZta.nces and depressions to which the shipping
tt-ult was 'subjected, the petitioners w?nt on to con-
tll4, that through the operation of these causes, the
o -
44e'rnust.be ruined, and the means on which the
1~
superiority of this country was founded,'~lilY destroyed. The petitioners alleged three
'IS for the evils under which they were now
thffering. The first was, the alteration made in
eommercial policy of this country by the
',Ant Hon. Gentleman opposite (Mr. Huskis-
tP when he negotiated the Treaties of Recipro-
ttLin the year 1823. The second cause of dis-
Wi' was to be fatted in the changes made in the
.41,11iples of the Navigation Laws; and the third
le from the alteration made in the value of money
1,t11,,,at Bill of 'the Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr.s, !,) which he-introduced in the year 1819. Ile
J. Graham) was not prepared to enter into any
'llt4ents upon the reason's which the Ship-owners
titihN for the depression of their trade, but he might
that while he feared the carrying trade could not
.I,l)reserved to this country, the fatal effects of the
gil'lge in the value of money were pointed out over
It% lies.again tothe Right Hon. Gentleman, both
tali,: time he brought in the Bill, and during the
\lift:lN/it discussions. The Hon. Gentleman, the
?b,„4.."t,ier for Dover (Mr. P. Thomson), had taken
th' twelve products the other evening, and pointed
Irid difference which the prices exhibited now
ilon—the time when the Bill began to operate. The
%out atember had made this reduction amount to
Haar 10 per cent.; and it was not a little extraor-
ingiL,that the Hon. Members for Dorset and Cal-
(Mr. Bankes and Mr. Baring), who were
lot.'ts of the Committee sitting upon the Right
'6l tlrent4ertian's-Bill, admitted:that they hatl:fol e-
ne eiteratiOn in the value of property to be

about 30 per•eent., in consequence of the adoption
of the principle of .that Bill. This alteration had
been frequently stated in the hearing of the Right
Hon. Gentleman, but he had neither attempted to
deny nor disprove it—( 1 rear.)—This e eil, produced
by the alteration in the value of money, was not
confined to the shipping trade, but pervaded
every other branch of trade to the same ex-
tent. Upon that question, however, he was
not now disposed to enter, and the more so as
another opportunity would be afforded him upon
the third reading of the Bill for putting an end to
the issue of small notes. The prayer of the petition
was one which he feared could not be complied with
at that period of the . Session, for they desired a
Committee to inquire into the state of the shipping
trade; but while he admitted that the petitioners
could not claim such an inquiry at present, he enter-
tained a hope that the two Right Hon. Gentlemen
at the head of the Board of Trade would, from the
attention they hael promised to devote to the sub•
ject, devise some method of relieving the petitioners
from the destruction with which they were threatened.
Sir J. YORKE complained of the course the
Hon. Baronet (Sir J. Graham) pursued in present-
ing this petition ; for instead of confining himself to
the objects of that petition, he had favoured the
House with a dissertation upon his favourite sub-
ject, the state of the currency. The petition seemed
to be chiefly directed against the measures of the
Right Hon. Gentleman who had lately been at the
head of the Board of Trade (Mr. Huskisson), and
who, after filling that office and others, had at length
become nothing at all, pretty much by his own
folly; and as the Right Hon. Gentleman happened
to be present, he would take leave to tell him so.—
(A laugh.) As to the petitioners, they had brought
all the evils they complained of upon themselves;
they had gone on building, and charging freights to
such an extent, and at such an extravagant price as
ns nation ever charged before; and it was not, there-
fore, extraordinary that foreigners should have stepped
in to take advantage of their folly.
Sir J. GRAHAM, in explanation, denied that he
had introduced the subject of the Currency. It
formed one of the subjects introduced by the Pe-
titioners themselves.
Mr. WARBURTON attributed the evils under
which the Ship-owners laboured from the low rate
of freights, to be mainly owing to the over impor-
tations of the year 1825. So much had been im-
ported in that year, in timber for instance, that the
trade could even now purchase •in this country
cheaper than in the country where it was grown.
This decrease in the demand, by a necessary conse-
quence, caused a decrease in the amount of freight.
It was rather inconsistent in the Ship-owners to
complain that the Ship-builders had no longer any
encouragement to increase the number of ships. If
the freights were so low, Ise thought they ought
rather to rejoice that the number of ships would not
be increased so as to make the freights still lower.
It was proved, however, from the Sound List, that
British ships in employment were increasing and
foreigners decreasing. This was one of the conse-
quences of the amount of British capital, which
enable the English Ship-owner to remain longer in
the market; and although neither of the parties were
gaining any thing, the English capitalist was sure
in the long run to get the better of his adversary.
After some observations upon the extent to which
ship-building had been carried in Canada, which he
considered one of the reasons of the depression of the
trade, the Hon. Member concluded by observing,
that although taxation did remain fixed while prices
were continually varying, yet the Ship-owners
suffered less from taxation than any other class of
the community.
Col. TRENCH claimed the attention of the
House to a matter relating to the interests of the
Ship-owners, to which he was requested to call the
notice of Parliament. The appeal which he had to
make was from the Ship-owners of Scarborough, who
complained of a misrepresentation made by the
Right Hon. Member for Liverpool (Mr. Huskisson),
on the Bth of May, 1827. In the discussion which
then took place, the Right Hon. Gentleman, refer-
ring to a petition from Scarborough, had quoted a
passage, which contained a statement of the in-
crease of Baltic ships entering British Ports. He
would not enter into a detail of other statements
contained in the petition on which the Pight Hon.
Gentleman, with an apparent sneer, commented.—
What he was anxious to impress upon the House
was, that that petition did not come from the Ship-
owners of Scarborough, but was the petition of an
individual of that town. Now, the Right Hon.
Gentleman, by quoting that petition, appeared to
convey to the House sentiments and opinions, as
the sentiments and opinions of the Ship-owners of
Scarborough, which the body of Ship-owners did not
entertain. It was the petition of an individual
from which he quoted, and it was not fair to involve
the whole body of Shipowners in the inaccurate
statements and wild opinions of an individual. He
was requested to say thus much on behalf of the
Ship-owners, who felt themselves on this occasion
misrepresented by the Right lion. Gentleman.

Mr. HUSKISSON could not forbear from the
expression of his surprise, that a complaint of a mis-
representation, stated to have been made by him in
May, 1827, should have been deferred to the 24th
of June, 1828.—(Hear, hear.)—There was some-
thing of a tardy disposition on the part of the com-
plainants which could not fail in attracting some at-
tention—(Loud cries of hear, hear.)—When the
subject of the shipping interest was discussed a week
ago, and when various opportunities were afforded
since that period, he was at a loss to know why
they had been passed over, and why the complaint
was delayed to the present moment. The quarter
from which the complaint was communicated to the
House also attracted his attention. Whatever might
be the connection subsisting ketween the Gallant
Officer and the Ship-owners of Scarborough, it
could not be of a closer character than that subsist-
ing between those Ship-owners and their Represen-
tatives of that borough ; through one of whom, it
might naturally be expected, if a complaint MIT at
all to be made, it would have been conveyed to the
House. He (Mr. II) had further to remark, that
no intimation had been given to him of the intention
of the Gallant Officer 'to bring forward this subject
this evening.--(Hear, hear.)--Under these circum-
stances (he could only speak froM memory) he
should regret to have said any thing injurious to a
highly respectable body of persons, such as the
Ship-owners of Scarborough were. He recollected
that there were two petitions from Scarborough.
The petition from which he quoted was presented
from a person deeply engaged in the shipping trade,
and whose statements were therefore deserving of
attention. This was all that he could undertake to
say at the distance of fourteen months from the pe-
riod at which the speech adverted to by the Gallant
Officer was spoken. He would not now enter into the
question of currency, which had been touched upon,
further than to observe, that lve supposed thealteration
in the currency had affected the freights in the same
way that all the rather articles were affected by that
alteration. lie had only to remark, in addition, as
to what had been said by a Gallant °Meer (Sir J.
Yorke) of his having become nothing from a Secre-
tary of State, that he could assure the Gallant Mem-
ber that he would display an equanimity of temper
fully equal to that which had been evinced by him-
self during the long time that he (Sir J. Yorke) had
been in that unfortunate situation. (Hear, and
laughter.)
Mr. DUNCOMBE (of York) corroborated the
statement of the Gallant Officer (Colonel Trench)
as to the respectability of the Ship-owners of Scar-
borough, and the distinction between the two peti-
tions from that town—one from the Ship-owners of
Scarborough, and the other from an individual of
that town.
Mr. lIUME said that he had been a party to the
reciprocity measures, and he had been so on the
stipulation of all the unfair restraints which impeded
British vessels from a competition with foreign
vessels being removed. This was the principle of
the reciprocity system, which had his most cordial
support; and he hoped that such a system would