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opinion, unless he were provided with something else to ence was at all admitted, he could not conceive a ACTIONS FOR GAMING DISCONTINUANCE - mitteee on Dog Stealing (Metropolis) :—Mr._ Liddell,
fall bank, on. It had been said that competing lines would more liberal or equitable manner of providing I BILL. Captain Rous, Mr. Kelly, Mr. Henry Berkeley (Bristol),
be no advantage to the public, because they would be for it.—(Hear, hear.) The Government claimed the ! On the order of the day for bringing up the report on
Mr. Beckett Denison, Mr. Vernon Smith, Mr. Fitzroy,
purchased up by existing lines • but that was taking a power of revision under the Bill. He would not then i the Actions for Gaming Discontinuance Bill being read, Mr. Mackinnon,- Sir John Yarde Buller, Major Beres-
one-sided view of the case. Would not existing lines enter into the details, and would only consider the ge- i Mr. CHRISTIE said he would take that, opportu- ford, Viscount Barrington, Mr. Montague Gore, Lord
consider it better to humour the public, and to treat neral principles of the measure. The Hon. Member for ! nity of answering an attack which had been made by j Arthur Leneox, Sir Robert Pigot, and Mr. Richard
them in such a manner as to afford no occasion for corn- Newcastle, and other Hon. Members, bad spoken a good : the Noble Lord the Member for Lyme on an individual Hodgson.
petting lines ? If even competing lines were purchased deal about railway companies being taken by surprise. ! who was not present to defend himself. The Noble
Mr. LABOUCFIERE thought that too much facility.
that could only be effected by the sacrifice of profit, and They said the Bill was not brought in until a late period ! Lord had made an attack of the strongest character was lately given to granting Committees, but he never
it would be a warning to others. Some evidence was of the session, and that railway proprietors were taken I against two individuals of the name of Russell, one of thought it would go to the extent to which the Hon.
adduced to show that competition would be of no advan- by surprise. But the report of the Committee, which whom was a solicitor, and the other the plaintiff in the Gentleman was about to carry it.—(Hear. hear.) There
Cage to the public, and the Midland Counties Railway appeared in the April of this year, distinctly stated that 1 actions which were now pending, and which this Bill was to be a Select Committee to inquire into the steal-
was adduced as an instance. When that line and the the present would be a favourable time for legislation. I was intended to discontinue. He had received a letter ing of poodles and lap-dogs in the metropolis.—(Hear,
Derby and Birmingham line were competing, the fares After quoting the different reports of the Railway Corn- 1 from Mr. Russell, the solicitor, whose character the tear, and laughter.) He was sorry the Right Hon.
were greatly reduced, and the public was a gainer ; mittee from April down to a late period, the Right Hon. • Noble Lord had attacked, and he would read some ex- 1 Gentleman, the Secretary of State, had given his assent
and when they were united the fares were not Baronet proceeded to say that he should deprecate tracts from it to the House. He would not read the to the nomination of the Committee. But, perhaps, if
raised higher than before ; so that the public strongly the frequent exercise of this power on the part whole of it, because some parts of it were the reverse of he asked the House, it would reverse its decision, as it
had gained something, and lost nothing. There of the Legislature, and a regard to the public interests eomplimentney to the character of the Noble Lord.— I was not very obstinate.—(f atiehter.)
was one solitary case, that of the Manchester and could alone justify its application. The Bill took pre- (Cries of " Read ! read!") The Noble Lord was at Sir J. GRA FlAM—Dogged.—(Laughter.)
Leeds and the Chester and Crewe Railway, and that cautions on the subject of conveyance. He would not liberty there- to say what he pleased of the character of : Mr. LABOLTCHERE really thought that this Com-
ic/AS the only case in which it had been shown that cone- take to himself any especial credit for guarding the inte- persons out of that House, and he had generously availed mittee ought not to be granted, and he would move, as
petition had been of no benefit. But even in that case rests of the humbler classes, but he thought Parlia- himself of that privilege last evening.—(Hear,) But if the only means now left to him, that the first name be
the fares had not been raised above what they bad been ment should have regard to providing a cheap they said anything against the character of the Noble i omitted.—(Hear, hear.)
originally. If they did nothing else to regulate railways and safe mode of conveyance for them. Foreign Lord, that could not be read in that House even be the Mr. LIDDELL said he had no object in the mater.
he besought them not to do anything to diminish the countries had given the subject much attention. Noble Lord's permission, without offending against the But as he was aware that a welhoreiteised system existed
value of competition. One of the warmest supporters of He held in his hand a report of the French Chamber, rules of that House. He would now read to the House for e the stealing of dom which he would be able to expose
the measure was the Hon. and Gallant Member for Lin- which showed that the legislators of France did not think the extracts from the letter of Mr. Russell. They were if he obtained a Committee, he would persevere in
coin. He confessed that he hated railways, and thought it out of their province to make provision for the corn- as follow :—" I could never have the assurance to meet asking for it, unless the House thought otherwise.
this measure would snub them, and keep them in forts of the humbler classes. The Committee of the either Mr. Gibson or yourself, had there been one syllable Mr. WAKLEY thought that the Committee ought to
order. Another Honourable Member supported the French Chamber said they had more than once pro- of truth in Lord George Bentinck's statements. I will be made more extensive, and embrace the practice of
measure because he thought the Railway Corn tested against the use of open carriages. It appeared not attempt to defend my brother's conduct in stealing dogs in the country. The practice of stealing
panies were overbearing, and he was glad to keep to them that the interests of humanity enjoined them an affair which occurred some years sinee." He dogs in the country prevailed to a great extent. They
them down. What would this Bill do ? With the not to condemn the humbler classes of society to incon- had already stated that in his evidence be- were then sold in the metropolia where they were
existing companies it would do nothing with the venience and danger. The mode of transit in open car- fore the Committee, " I will not attempt to stolen over and over again, and at last exported.—
railways that were to be formed it would not deal for riages not only exposed the passengers to the air, but defend my brother's conduct in an affair which occurred (Laughter.) This system of trade had not probably,
fifteen years. Their great nephews and great grand- also to the risk of tire from the particles thrown out by some years since, and through which I might have been come under the observation of the Right Hon. Gentleman.
children might benefit by the Bill, but for the present it the engine. The writer insisted that the third-class ruined, if I had not had the means of entirely exculpat- He hoped the Hon. Member would withdraw his motion,
would be totally inoperative. It was said it would be a trains should always be established at fares not exceed- ing myself to the satisfaction of every person. I should and move for leave to bring in a Bill.
great benefit to the lower orders, because they would be ing three farthings per mile, and considered that the grieve if you or Mr. Gibson, having heard my state- Mr. BROTHER'I'ON moved the adjournment of the
carried at a diminished rate of charge. Now all that second-class carriages should have windows, and the merits, should think that any degradation would attach House, but subsequently withdrew his motion.
the Bill required was, that a train should start once in third-class curtains.—(Hear, hear.) Now, in sanction- to you in consequence. I said that if you have the evi-
The House divided on the motion for the appointment
the day, carrying persons for a sum not exceeding Id. ing railroads by which all other modes of conveyance dence printed every one will be able to judge if lam de- of the Comtnittee, when there appeand_
per mile, at a rate of at least twelve miles an hour. were destroyed, he thought it was acting but right serving of the character which this Lord last night For the Committee 35
in covered carriages. Now, the rate at which all the that the Legislature should provide " securities" for the gave of me."—(Hear, hear, and cheers.) He Against it
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existing railway companies carried persons at present comfort and convenience of the humbler classes.—(Hear, hoped they would have the evidence printed, and printed
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was Id. and 15.100ths of Id. a mile, and the average was hear.) The Hon. Gentleman opposite took a very high wholly, without expunging of any portion of it.—(Hear,ir, G. CLERK obtained leave to bring in a Bill to
only brought up to that rate because some of the corn- tone on the subject of railways. He seemed to think hear.) He entertained no feeling of degradation from continue certain of the allowances of the duty of excise
paates charged very high for their third-class passengers. that they had an unlimited right to deal with the having had interviews with Mr. Russell. Mr. Russell on soap used in manufactures.
A great many of them carried their passengers at less public as they thought fit. Be it so as to exist- had come to ask him to present a petition, and to afford Mr. G. W: HOPE obtained leave to bring in a Bill
than ld. a mile. The South-Eastern ( the Dover) line ing railways ; be it that the London and Birmingham him information. Even if he had been deserving of the to continue an Act of the 10th Geo. IV., " for providing
carried third-class passengers at the rate of Id. a mile. company had a right to say, in rather aristocratic lan. character which the Noble Lord had given him, even if fur the Government of his Majesty's Settlements in
The Newcastle and Shields at the rate of Id. per mile. guage, "We will not soil our carriages by the convey- he had been a common hell-keeper, and had said that in Western Australia, on the Western Corot of New
The Edinburgh and Glasgow at the rate of id. per mile. ante of coal." Still the question was whether, when that character he had suffered a grievance which the Holland."
The Midland Counties ran third-class trains twice a they were going to give powers to new companies, they House of Commons could remedy, and had asked him to PRESBYTERIAN MARRIAGES (IRELAND)
day at the rate of id. a mile. He took these statements should not take some moderate and rational precautions present a petition, he should have felt it his duty to do BILL.
from the speech of the Hon. Member for Greenock, who against their abuse.—(Hear, hear.) If he thought that so.—(Cheers.) But he would not have associated with On the motion of Sir J GRAHAM, this Bill was
bad made a speech on one side of the question and in. the effect of this Bill would be to destroy that private a hell-keeper further—(Cheers)—he would not have read a first time, and ordered to be read a second time
tended to vote on the other. All the advantage they enterprise in which railways had originated, he would betted with him.(Cheers.) He would not have commis- on Thursday.
would get by this measure was, that they would secure not consent to its being passed into a law. But he did sioned him to bet for him.—(Reiterated cheering.) He The other orders of the day were then disposed of,
covered carriages for third-class passengers; and he not believe that the precautions which his Right Hon. would not belong to a club of which he was a member. and the House adjourned at a Quarter to Two.
asked the House whether it was worth while to sanction Friend proposed to establish would have the effect either —(Continued cheering.) He had declared his intention
the objectionable principles of this Bill for this small ad- lof preventing or impeding the application of private of offering every factious opposition to the Bill, and
vantage? There were four or five railways in which t capital. Since the first report was published, publicly lie had afterwards said he would withdraw it ; but the
there were no third-class carriages, and so far as they announcing that some precautions ought to be taken, reasons he had given for so doing had not been
were concerned ofcourse the Bill would be an advantage. he had hid the satisfaction of seeing that thirty properly stated. He protested against this Bill ; he
He thought that if any measure were required for the new railroad schemes had been proposed, entailing an protested against the manner in which it had been
regulation of railways this was a small and inefficient expenditure of not less than 24,220,000/.—(Hear, hear.) carried through that House ; he protested against the
measure for that purpose. He asked those who wished lie hoped that railways would be conducted by competi- refusal of the House to hear the plaintiff by counsel
for a measure for regulating railways if they would tion, and the application of private capital.—(Hear, against this Bill, in the rejection of which lie had
accept such a half measure as this? Though small, it hear.' He hoped most sincerely that the necessity the clearest, and the most direct personal interest.
was the first-born, and might inherit to the detriment of would' never arise for the Government undertaking the If ever a man was entitled to be heard by counsel at the
its betters, if it were not smothered in its birth. management of railways. Whether a case might ever bar of the House, it was this much-wronged indivi-
Sir ROBERT PEEL regretted to see that such aids arise in which it would be desirable for the Government dual, and it was most unjust that such a boon should
vantage had been taken of the good nature of the lion. either to construct some short line of railway, in order be refused him. He complained of the manner in which
Gentleman—(A laugh)—and when he saw all the Ito ascertain the expense, or to establish the example of the evidence had been taken, and of the manner in
railway proprietors, and personi connected with rail- I a mode of management, he pronounced no opinion. which that evidence had been used. When that evi-
ways, supporting this motion, and showing themselves But he should deprecate the transfer of patronage. He dence should be formally communicated to the House, a
so ready to avail themselves of it, he could not help trusted the Government would never be converted into qnestion, he thought might arise, as to whether that evi-
feeling that, advantage had been taken of the ingenuous- the directors of a railway.—(Hear, hear.) At the same deuce would not give a proper occasion for a motion roe.
ness of the Hon. Gentleman.—(A laugh.) He feared time, he hoped they would have that degree of control tive to interference with the privilege§ of the House. The
that ingenuousness had been abused—that that modesty which was necessary, both as a security for the Bill seriously affected the interests of individuals. A
bad been taken advantage of.—(A laugh.) The Hon. public. and to prevent abuse.—(Hear, hear.) He petitien had been presented, praying that counsel might
Gentleman was most ingenuous— trusted that Parliament would give them that he heard against the Bill, but the prayer of the petition
e Ingenni vultus peer, ineenuigne pudoris." dormant power of a purchase—that dormant power of had been refused ; and when the petition was presented,
The railway companies gladly availed themselves of interference which would operate as a tacit and effec- the Committee in another place, who suspended its sit-
the motion of the Hon. Gentleman. The Hon. Gentleman tual check upon extravagant demands by these corn- rings for some time, had summoned the solicitor before
said that her Majesty's Government were in the habit panics. Upon these grounds, retaining his respect for them. A searching investigation was instituted. When
of attacking these railway companies, and so sensitive these companies, and knowing that they were under the the day arrived for hearing counsel the evidence was dis.
bad the lien. Gentleman become, that he had absolutely deepest obligations to them—deprecating any measure seminated. and the character of the petition was made a
attacked him (Sir Robert Peel) for having been guilty which would prevent a similar application of capital, yet reason for refusing to hear it by counsel at the bar of
of personality, because, in the debate on the Bank thinking it right that they should make security for the the House. The Chairman of the Committee, whoever
Charter Bill, he had said that certain Members had ab- public against exaction and against abuse, he should he might be—even the Duke of Richmond conspired
solutely had an eye to non-convertibility.—(A laugh.) give his cordial support to the measure proposed by the with Government for promoting the Bill, and abused his
Now, if that could be considered a gross per- Right Hon. Gentleman.—(Cheers.) position as Chairman of the Committee in another place,
:tonal reflection, he certainly must say that he had Mr. WARD rose amidst cries of " Divide, divide." and was guilty of an infringement in communicating
nevnr charged the Hon. Gentleman with having an The Hon. Member said he thought the case stated by that evidence. He would leave the public to judge of
eye to non-convertibility.—(Laughter.) He had certainly the Right Hon . Baronet was one to which no future the circumstances in which the evidence was used ; and
said that the argument tended to non-convertibility ; railway company could possibly object.—(Hear, from he thought the opinion of the public had not been
but he certainly could not understand why, night after tie Ministerial benches.) If nothing were intended but favourable to the promoters of this Bill.—(Hear.).
night, the reflection was cast upon the Government that a notice to railway companies, that after a certain num- The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER ex-
they had been guilty of a gross violation of Parliament- ber of years their tolls were to be subject to a revision, plained what he said on the previous night. His reason
ary decorum, because he had charged the Hon. Gentle- there was no company about to apply to Parliament for opposing the hearing of' the petition by counsel at
man and the Hon. Member for Lambeth with having, in which could object to such a proceeding•—(Hear, hear.) the bar of the House was, because, after diligent search
their argument on the Bank Charter Bill, had an eye to Undoubtedly, with respect to the conveyance of letters, of precedents, he could not find one in which an indivi-
non-covertibility.—(Laughter.) the Government had a right to require from the railway dual was permitted to appear at the bar of that House
Mr. HAWES—I never charged you with a breach of companies whatever was necessary. The same remarks himself, or by counsel, when legislative interference was
Parliamentary decorum. might be made in reference to the conveyance of troops merely of a suspensionary character.—(Hear, hear.)
Sir ROBERT PEEL had not heard the Hon. Member at the lowest possible charge.—(Hear, hear.) The Mr. M. GIBSON considered that he had not been
for Lambeth complain that he had exceeded the bounds clause with regard to third-class carriages was abso- fairly reported in the Morning Papers as to what he
of Parliamentary decorum. The Hon. Gentleman who lately unexceptionable. His objection to it in the first said on the previous night, and he therefore wished to
had last spoken had grievously complained that his Right instance arose from the understanding that third-class make a further statement. The Hon. Member, who
Hon. Friend had made a brilliant speech. The Board of carriages were required to accompany every train. What spoke with considerable excitement of manner, said—
Trade, according to the Hon. Gentleman, ought to deal he complained of with regard to this Bill was, that it If the Noble Lord (Lord G. Bentinck) or any one else,
in arithmetic and statistics, and had nothing to do was not what it professed to be, and that powers were make; a charge against me that I associated with per- 1
with brilliancy and rhetoric. Now, really it was too taken by it which had excited the deepest alarm amongst sons of improper character, or with persons guilty of
bad or the Hon. Gentleman to make this complaint of all persons connected with railways. If the Govern- any crime , I assert in this House that that charge is
his Right Hon. Friend, when the Hon. Gentleman him- ment did not mean to use their formidable powers, why false and scandalous, and I defy the Noble Lord or any
self had taken the opportunity of making a most brilliant did they propose to take them ? The whole Bill, from body else to prove it, or to show that there is any founda-
and a witty .speech on the subject.—(Hear, bear.) He the 7th clause to the 24th, was a complete system of tion whatever for it. The solicitor my Honourable
should be very' sorry if, in giving his vote for this Bill, Government interposition. He objected most strongly Friend alluded to called at his (Mr. M. Gibson's)
be should be considered as intending to cast the slightest to the powers conferred. He believed that the measure house—he came to him in a public capacity.
reflection on the manner in which the existing railroad had been brought forward without sufficient considera- He had felt that he was entitled to listen to his commu-
companies had been formed and were conducted. Lion ; but if a notice of future regulations was all that nication and make what use of it he pleased. That he
He thought it, under the circumstances, a proud thing for was required by the Government, and if it were in that had done, and that he would do 'again ; and he pro-
this country that the existing railroads had been light that the Bill was to be received, he would put it to
tested, in the face of that house, against being charged,
completed by private interest and private capital. those gentlemen who had hitherto concurred with him, either directly or indirectly, with having associated, in
,Ind so far as the present superintendence of railways whether it was advisable to go to a division. the popular sense, with persons of improper character,
weett, those who had the conducting of that superinten- Mr. GLADSTONE entirely concurred in the sug. and who had committed crimes.
dence were entitled to the greatest credit for the uniform gestions of his Hon. Friend. The Bill was based upon Lord PALMERSTON said that having had an op-
civility which was exhibited by the companies towards the report presented to the House some time ago. portenity of forming an opinion on the Committee, he
the public", through all their subordinate agents, who, Mr. HAWES (who spoke amidst loud cries of " Di_ felt justified in saying that he thought his Hon. Friends
were perfectly justified in the course they had pursued
without an a' view to a personal or pecuniary gain, ride,") said that the effect of the Bill would be to place
were equally' attentive and kind to all cases, all railways under the direct control of the Government. with regard to Mr. Thomas Russell. It appeared to him
whether rich or poor, and that to a degree On the line of communication with Ireland that certainly that a Member of Parliament had, in the performance of
which did not exist in aoy other department of the public would be the result. If the clauses which gave the Go- his duty, a perfect right to receive information
service. He hoped that tizis attention to the wants of vernment such control were thrown out he would not ob- which might be tendered to him whilst pursuing an
individuals, without seeking for any personal or pecu- jest to the Bill. He could not sit down without defend- investigation, and he thought, in fact, that he would not
niary advantage, would still be continued. It was im- ing the character of the professional gentlemen who had be justified in refusing it. With regard to the point
possible to over-rate the benefits which had been con- opposed the Bill. He sat down amidst loud cries of raised by his Hon. and Learned Friend, he could entirely
fermi on the public by these regulations. Therefore in " Divide." bear out the statement of the Right Hon. Gentleman,
voting for this Bill he begged to be considered as wish- Mr. MUNTZ said, that in opposing this Bill he had that the decision of the House yesterday turned, not on
bag to speak of the railway companies with the greatest no personal motive, except that he derived great any judgment formed respecting the character of Mr.
respect. The question was, if they were not arrived at a advantage and convenience from the railways, and Russell, bet on the ground that his case was not parallel
period of railway legislation when it was absolutely he wished to see them extended all •over the king- to that of Mr. Wright, and that he was not a bone fide
necessary Parliament should take some cognizance of dom. There was another consideration, that al. prosecutor. But, as far as any reflections on character
the subject. The Hon. Member objected that they did though the Right Honourable Baronet and his were concerned, he must submit to the House that yes-
not go far enough, but the objection, until the lion. colleagues might look at this. "as a dormant power," terday evening was not the first time that doubts had
Gentleman had spoken, had been that the Bill went too who was to guarantee that some future Government been thrown out on that subject.—(Hear, hear.)
far, aid that it was monstrous to introduce at so late a would not look at it in a different light? That which Lord HOWICK said he objected to the Bill on the
periotl of the session a Bill so calculated to excite was a "dormant power" might, in future times, and in ground that it not only protected persons from actions
anxiety in aii parties connected with railroads through- other hands, become a very active and a very danger- for past betting, but that it protected persons who
out the country. ous one. He was mast anxious that the railway system should subsequently bet on horse-racing. They were
Mr. GISBORNE cir.a not wish them to interfere at all. should be fUlly developed throughout the country, because goir.g to legalise betting, or at least to exempt from all
Sir R. PEEL—Perhaps ne ; but if they interfered. he he considered it fraught with innumerable blessings. penal consequences those who took part in it. And
said they did not go far enough. _'Tow suppose they had ?or-this reason he should give his decided opposition to looking at the matter in the light thrown upon it by the
proposed to go much further, although they might have the Bill before the House.—(Hear, hear.) recent trial, he thought such a step must be deeply in
the support of the Hon. Gentleman's vote— Mr. S. CRAWFORD said it we: a rare thing indeed jurious to the country. He proposed to amend the Bill
Mr. GISBORNE—No, no. for him to be seen giving a vote in favour of a measure iin the following manner:—ln the preamble he proposed
b '.;l .B .. PEEL—They would have then to encounter, brought in by the Government. But looking on this to omit the words, " And that no other proceedings of
vrithont securing the Hon. Gentleman's vote, a much Bill as cspeaially formed to benefit and assist the poor a like nature should be commenced or proceeded with."
greater. weight of opposition than they had at present,. working man, he felt it his duty to rise in the House He also proposed to omit the first clause, in reference
The lion. Gentleman proposed to abandon all legisla• and thus briefly to thank the Government fur bringing to the period from which the Act was to
tion, and to leave everything to competition. Now what it in.—(Cheers.) Ho had the greatest pleasure in sup- '3perate, and that it should continue in force till
chance would i:.hey have of establishing a competing line porting the Bill with hie vote.--(Hear, hear.) the end of the next session of Parliament.
to the Manchester and Liverpool line? An attempt had The House then divided, when there appeared— He called upon the House to go no further than to give
been made to estatalish the Trent Railway, and he hoped For the second reading .. 186 protection to those bets which had been made before
that Bill would now pass. It was introduced now under Against it
the auspices of' two companies, who, during two ses- Majority —ea and it was not his wish to interfere with the fair sports
sions, had opposed it, and the attempt to establish On our admission into the gallery we found of the turf. But he would give no protection to those
this line of forty miles In extent had cost 166,000/. So Mr. WA LL ACE on his legs, asking the Hon. Mem- who made the turf a system of fraud. He would con-
difficult was it to overcome the union of railway inte- ber for Reading (Mr. RUssell) whether he had not a elude by moving the amendment of which he had given
rests in the House of Commons. The Hon. Member for direct and separate interest in the Bill ?—(Cries of' "He notice.
Durham had complained that he had called the railway is not in the House.") Yes, he is.—(Cries of " Show Lord PALMERSTON said that he could not go at
companies monopolies. Now, with regard to the London him up.") So I will.—(Cries of " Order, order.") the railroad pace of his Noble Friend. But he hoped
and Birmingham Railway, that certainly was a mono- Sir JAMES GRAHAM—There are strangers in the I that by the next session of Parliament Government
poly as against posting—it was a monopoly as against House. would be prepared with a satisfactory measure.
stage-coaches.—and it was a decided monopoly as far as The SPEAKER—Strangers must withdraw. It was the opinion of the Committee that it was incon-
railways were concerned. Now, considering the power of The gallery was then cleared. sistent with the spirit of modern legislation to interfere
railway proprie.'ors in that House, competition was not The gallery was soon afterwards re. opened. We un- with the private pursuits, private business, or private
sufficient to control these monopolies ; and when they derstood that while the doors were closed, pleasures of individuals. But what was his Noble Friend's
considered that within the course of the present Mr. WALLACB made an objection to the vote of amount to which betting was to be allowed to go? He
and the next ses.sion of Parliament, application Mr. C. Russell being taken, on the ground that he was was for a restriction upon heavy betting on the turf, what
would probably be made to complete one thousand interested in the subject. then would be his minimum ? Or were they to have a
additional lines of railway. He thought the He was supported by Mr. COLLETT, and A short graduated, a sliding scale of turf betting ?—(Hear, and
time had come for legislation on the subject. discussion ensued, but the lion. Member for Greenock a laugh.) But look to what his Noble Friend's doe-
Under these circumstances he thought it edvantageous subsequently- withdrew the motion he had made. trine would lead to in practice. It would end in
for the public interests that Parliament should take Mr. HAWES then asked if it was the intention of the this—that what was done in secret should be
some precaution, and he should, therefore, give bis vote Government to modify the Bill at all, or to go into Com-
winked at, and that the thunders of the law should be
for the Bill of his Hon. Friend. He was not prepared mittee with it as it was? hurled only at those who betted openly.—(Hear, hear.)
ee' s advise the immediate purchase of those Mr. GLADSTONE said he was not only ready but And, to add to this piece of hypocrisy, they would have
naiirenids. He did not wish that any department desirous to consider any modification that would bring other evils and inconveniences; fur to work the principle
of the Government should be converted into the Bill into conformity with the speech of the Right to itsl legitimate end, they must enact a sort of sump_
a railway elirectory. That was not the object of the Bill, Hon. Baronet at the head of her Majesty's Government, tuary law, forbidding any one to give more than a
but the object of it was to prevent the public from being and with the third report of the Committee. . certain price for a horse, or anything he might desire
subjected to ienposition. It was known that a great Sir R. PEEL said, that in his speech he was rather to purchase.—(Hear, hear.) For these and other
number of new railways were projected, and about to referring to the report than to the technical terms of the reasons, he would not, at this late hour, recapitulate. He
receive the sanction ot4-ille Legislature. In each of those Bill. lie thought the power,to purchase ought to be re- must oppose the amendment of his Noble Friend, and
new and very extensiveeowers were given in taking served to the Government and Parliament conjointly, stand by the Bill as now arranged. That Bill was in-
land, &c., and what the Government wished to do was to not to be exercised indiscriminately, but as a check upon tended for the protection of honest men—(Hear, hear)
give notice to these parties, that after the lapse of a car- the railways. against unjust and extortionate attempts, and he . was
tain time it would be competent for Parliament to deal After some further discussion, the Bill was read a se- sure the House would see the justice and the wisdom of
with them. The Bill proposed, that after the lapse of cond time, and ordered to be committed on Saturday passing it in its present shape.—(Divide.")
fiteeen years it would be competent for Parliament to next. Mr.-BROTHKRTON moved the adjournment of the
consider the powers now about to be conferred, and to The Report on the Law Courts (Ireland) compensa- debate.
make other alterations which would be required for the Lion in was brought up and received. Sir J. GRAHAM, as at present advised, thought
public interests. They dealt with railroads on the same TUItNi-7HE TRUSTS (SOUTH WALES). the advice tendered by the Committee with respect to
princ• hie as they dealt with the Bank of England. The On the order of ti,e `ably fur the second reading of this horse-racing, was good. Ile would, therefore, support
e
Legislaeure conferred on that Bank a qualified mono- I Bill, the Bill. •
poly; nee permanent. however, but it was reserved for Mr. MORRIS was understood to oppose the measure. Lord HOWICK would not divide on the amendments,
Parliameo r, after a lapse of twenty years, to make what' Sir J. GRAHAM said he intended only that the Bill and they were withdrawn. The Noble Lord then moved
new terms A pleased.—(Hear, hear.) He took the same I should be read a second time that night, and he pro- that the first clause should be omitted. By such a Bill
course with 're'spect to the East India Company. The posed going into Committee upon it on Monday us this, they threw by stealth protection over gambling
Government ate these cases did not give a permanent se'nnight lie would be glad to consult the Hon. Gen, of the worst description, while they visited minor gamb.
tenure of author ity—there was a limit in respect to I tieman and other Members connected with South Wales, Peg with the utmost severity. He, for one, protested
duration, and ther e was a power reserved for Parliament to on the Bill. against it, He should not divide the House upon it, but
reconsidertheprovisionsofsuch matters. The realquestion The Bill was then read a second time, a-td ordered t 43 he should call upon the House either to adopt or negative
was, would they permit a certain number of new este- be committed on Monday se'unight. his proposition.
blishments to become permanent and unqualified mono- SUDBURY DISFRANCHISEMENT BILL. Lord PALMERSTON eNp'aiPecl,
polies, or give Parliament the privilege of reconsidering The report on the Sudbury Disfranchisement Bill was I The amendment wee 11P;;;.`.iVEd without a division,
these powers? If the Government was to say that the brought up and received. the report was received, and the 811 ordered to be read
Bill should only last for 15 years, it would extinguish all POOR-LAW AMENDMENT BILL. a third time to-morrow (this day).
speculation. 'To reserve to Parliament the power of The Committee on the Poor-law Amendment Bill was Sir THOMAS FREMANTLE moved for a Select
reconsidering all contracts would have the same effect. postponed till a Quarter past Four o'clock this day. Committee, to prepare estimates of the:charge of the
No .such violent remedy was s needed, but a.power was LAW COURTS (IRELAND) BILL. disembodied militia of Great Britain and Ireland, for
reque-ed, which the Bill provided—that with the sane- The Law Courts (Ireland) Bill passed through Com- the year ending the asst day of March, 1845: —Sir
tion of' Parliament, the power of purchasing these este,- mittee. ThomasElernantleeViscount Howick, Viseount Palmer-
bliseme nts, taking, as the amount of purchase. 25 years' The House then resumed, the report was received, stop, Sir John Bobbouse, Mr. Macaulay, Mr. Ellice, Sir
in point t if time, and three years' average of the divi- and the Bill was ordered to be read a third time to-mor- Edward Knatchbull, Mr. Gore Langton, Captain Bol-
sible profi *l6 In case the profits exceeded w per cent.. row (this day). dere, Colonel Peel, Mr. Pringle, Colonel Wood, Mr.
the Bill cla, Fated a power of interference on the part of BurrEß AND CHEESE BILL. Manners Sutton, and all Colonels of Militia.-e-Agreed to.
the public, a na' would have a right to demand a reduc- The Butter and Cheese Bill then passed through Com- . DOG
would
lion of fares... ,If the principle of legislative interfer- mittee. Af.e. XoIDDZLL moved the felhawing tla a Select Cone-

PARLIAMENTAitY DIVISIONS.
(From the Votes and Proceedings of the House of C immons.)
WEDNESDAY, JULY 10.
ACTIONS FOR GAMING DISCONTINUANCE
(No. 2) BILL.)
Order for Committee read ; Petition of Charles Henry Rus-
sell (presented 4th July), praying to be beard by Coursel at
the Bar of the House against the Bill read :—Motion made,
and Question put, " That the said Petition be referred to the
Committee on the Bill, and the Petitioner heard against the
Bill by his Counsel upon the Petition, if he think fit ." The
Hoare divided :

MINORITY—AYES, 14.
Berkeley, Captain Scott, Robert
Elphinstone, Howard Sttutt, Edward
Gibson, T. Milner Tancred, Henry W.
Hawes, Benjamin Thornely, Thomas
Hume, Joseph Wawn, John Twizell
Macelfe, Henry
Mitchell, Thomas A.
Norreys, Sir D. J.
Philips,Mark

TELLERS.
Christie, W. D.
Duncombe, T. S.

MAJORITY—NOES, 30.
Bentinck, Lord G. O'Neill, Duncan
Beresford, Major Martin, C. Wykebam
Blackstone, W. S. Neville, Ralph
Borthwick, Peter Nicholl. John
Cripps, William Palmerston, Viscount
Denison, E. Beckett Pringle, Alexander
Escott, Bickham Stanley, Lord
Goulburn, Henry Sutton, Henry M.
Graham, Sir James Thesiger, Sir Frederic
Greenall. Peter Vane, Lord Harry
Greene, Thomas Vivian, J. Ennis
Gregory, W. Henry Wallace, Robert
Hayter, William G. Yorke, H. Redhead
Hutt, William
Knatchbull, Sir Edward
Lincoln, Earl of
Lockhart, William

TELLERS.
Young, John .

Lennon, Lord A.

Motion made, and Question proposed, " That Mr. Speaker
do now leave the Chair:"—Amendment proposed, toleave out
from the word " That" to the end of the Question, in order to
add the words " this House will, upon this day six months,
resolve itself into the said Committee," instead thereof :
Question put, " That the words proposed to be left out stand
part of the Question :" The House divided :

MAJORITY—AYES, 45.
Arkwright, George "Jermyn, Earl
Armstrong, Sir Andrew Knatchbull, Sir Edward
Bentinck, Lord G. Lincoln, Earl of
Beresford, Major Lockhart, William
Blackstone, W. S. M•Neill, Duncan
Boldero, Henry George Manners, Lord C. S.
Bramston, Thomas W. Martin, C. Wykeham
Carnegie, Captain Neville, Ralph
Christopher, R. A. Nichol], John
Clerk, Sir George Norreys, Sir D. J.
Cripps, William Northland, Viscount
Duncombe, T. B. Palmerston, Viscount
Escott, Bickham Peel, Jonathan
Forbes, William Pringle, Alexander
Fuller, A. Eliot Stanley, Lord
Gladstone, Captain Sutton, Henry M.
Gordon, Captain Thesiger, Sir F 1 ederic
Graham, Sir James Vane, Lord Harry
Greenall, Peter Verner, Colonel
Greene, Thomas Vivian, John Ennis
Gregory, W. Henry Yorke, H. Redhead
Hayter, William G. TELLERS.
Henley, J. Warner Young, John
Hutt, William Lennox: Lord A.

MINORITY—NOES, 9.
Berkeley, Captain Pechell, Captain
Collett, John Tancred, Henry W.
Elphinstone, Howard Wawn, John Twizell
Hume, Joseph TELLER'S.
Mitchell, T. A. Christie, W. D.
Morison, General Gibson, T. Milner

SPIRIT of the PUBLIC JOURNALS.
MOM THE EVENING PAPERS OF YESTERDAY.
STANDARD.—Grievous was the descent of the
House of Commons from the consideration of Mr.
Cowper's proposition to the Committee upon the
Gamblers' Protection Bill. This is a Bill upon which
we have no opinion, and in which we take no in-
terest whatever. We certainly should not grieve to
see the scourge fall heavily up,,n the aristocracy
of the turf and the gaming table. The aristocracy,
generally, would be the greatest gainers by the inflic-
von ; but then one does not much like to see a restive but
not repentant gambler filling his pockets by writs and
declarations merely as the substitute of horses. or dice,
or cards, " made safe." It is a matter in which one
ran afford to be quite impartial. We must protest, by
the way, against calling horse-racing a manly sport ;
there is nothing manly in it—rowing, yachting, fox..
hunting, wrestling, &c., are manly sports, because in
them men perform the whole, or at least the princi-
pal part ; but what manliness is there in looking
at a noble horse running with the smallest attain-
able weight of humanity upon his back ? Who-
ever considers the extenuated specimen of mankind
in the saddle, except to ascertain whether he has
or has not sold his employer for a bribe? There is no
manliness in all this, or if there is, it is a manliness in
which the subscriber to " a Derby," who has handed
over his sixpenc ~ with the price of his pint of beer, in
a Spitilfields' pothonse, has as much right to boast as
the king Of the course, and owner of half the horses in
the field.
GLOBE.—The new tariff determined on by the Bra-
zilian Government has reached this country. Although
not published by official authority, the source whence it
has been derived eves assurance of its accuracy.
The increased scale of duties, thus imposed by the
Brazilian Government on the manufactured produce
of this country, clearly shows the absurdity of main-
taining a system of restrictive duties upon the
produce of foreign States. As a nation, Britain is de-
pendent for her commercial prosperity on the demand for
our manufactures by foreigners ; yet. with a folly which
exposes our legislators to reprisals by other countries.
and their ects to condemnation in our own, we find
them labouring to uphold a system of restriction
which provokes retaliatory tariffs by foreign States !
The Brazilian tariff at present in operation levies
a nominal uniform duty of 15 per cent. on articles of
British manufacture imported into that country ; in
practical operation, the real amount of duty thus im-
posed amounts to 21 per cent. ad valorem. The tariff
now proposed will come into operation in November
next, when the commercial treaty with England will
terminate ; under its operation the duties will vary in
amount ; but their combined effect will be to increase,
to a considerable extent, the duties now payable upon the
principal articles of export into this country. We give
in another column the rates of duty to be charged upon
different fabrics. A duty, ad valorem, varying from 30 to
60 per cent. upon the bulk of the exports from this
country, will, as regards many articles, be a practical
exclusion of British manufactures from the Brazils; and
cannot fail to work an incalculable amount of mischief to
our trade and commerce. For this we are indebted to
the combination of class interests, which compels Sir R.
Peel to a course of commercial imgolicy that he ha 4 vir-
tually denounced in Parliament, and which, we be'ieve,
he would willingly abandon for a more generous and
healthful syStem, were he not fettered by his political
position. The tenacity with which th 6 interests
who are " protected" at the exper:se of the community.
cling to each other, is easily accounted fur. They
derive strength from union, and supply a cogent
argument for reiterated and constant resistance
to the monopolies to which they belong. The
separation of one member of the confederacy would
leave one restriction less to be appealed to as a
.justification for others ; add something to the number
and strength of those interested in freedom of trade; and
take something from the mass of interest enlisted on
the side of restriction. The corn-laws, for instance,
are not merely to be viewed as the cause of those evils
which directly and immediately flow from them. They
are to be judged, not merely by the evils which they
do, but by the good which they prevent from being
done. If the landlords had no longer a monopoly of their
own, they would no longer uphold the monopolies of
others. It is not the interest of landowners that Bra-
zilian sugars should be excluded from consumption in
this country. Nor would they assist in effecting that ex-
clusion, but that, by thus assisting the classes which de-
rive an interest from that exclusion, they may purchase
their aid in preventing, the introduction of foreign corn
to the British market. The same may be said of the
British-colonial interests. They would gladly admit
foreign corn to the British markets, because that ad-
mission would be beneficial to themselves. But were
they to detach themselves from the confederated band
of monopolists, they would lose the advantages which
they derive from the union of protected interests. The
landlords would no longer uphold the co'onial monopoly :
their supper;, is obtained by the aid which the other
protected interests afford to the existing restrictions on
the importation of corn.

LAW INTELLIGENCE.
COURT OF CHANCERY, July 11.
The Lord Chancellor sat in his Court in Lincoln's Inn Hall
to-day, for the first time since yesterday week.
NEW QUEEN'S COUNSEL.

Mr. Hodgson and Mr. James Parker were this morning
called within the bar, those Learned Gentlemen having been
appointed Queen's Counsel.

IN TUE MATTER OF DYCE SOMBRE, A LUNATIC.
On this matter being called on,
Mr. WAKEFIELD said that neither Sir Thomas Wilde or
himself were aware that the matter would stand on the paper
to-day. Sir Thomas Wilde had been under the impression
that it was specially appointed for Saturday. It was quite
impossible that he could attend the Court that day.
The LORD CHANCELLOR said that the case must 'proceed—.
it was one of great importance to the party concerned ; and
its further hearing would not have been delayed so long but
for the pressing necessity for the hearing of the writ of error
that had occupied the House of Lords for six days. Sir
Thomas Wilde had already occupied one day, Mr. Wakefield
another, and to-day another Learned Counsel had to be }ward.
Mr. WALPOLE then proceeded to address his Lordship on
behalf of 111.. Dyce Sombre, and occupied the Court the
whole morning.

VICE-CHANCELLOR'S COURT, July 11.1
The VICE-CHANCELLOR of ENGLAND was occupied the
whole morning with pleas and causes of no public interest.

ASSIZE INTELLIGENCE.
HOME ClRCUlT—Hertford, July 11.
The commission for this county was opened on Wed-
nesday by Mr. Sergeant Channel, neither of the Learned
Judges appointed for this circuit being able to be pre-
sent, by reason of their being compelled to attend the
writ of error in the House of Lords.
This morning the business of the circuit commenced
in both Courts. There are only twenty prisoners for
trial, and none of the offences charged are of a very
serious character. Mr. Baron Gurney sat on the Crown
Side, and Mr. Baron Parke presided in the Nisi Fritts
Court.

CHO WN SIDE.

Mr. Baron GURNEY, in charging the grand jury, took
occasion to complain of the small number of gentle-
men who had attended as grand.juroes, there being only
seventeen sworn; and he said; that in his long expell-
ence, both at the bar and on the bench, he had never, in
that county, heard a similar complaint, and he trusted
this would be the only time it would be made.
Wm. Andrews, 26, John Berry, 19, and Henry Perry,
21, were indicted for stealing a wether sheep, the pro-
perty of John George Fordham, Esq.
Mr. Hawkins conducted the prosecution.
The circumstances under which the charge was made
against the prisoners were of rather an extraordinary
character. It -appeared that on the night of the 22c1 of
May, William Wright, an inspector of the Hertford-
shire constabulary, was on duty near the sheep-fold of
the prosecutor, when he observed three men come across
some fields and go into the fold. Ile laid up in the
hedge and listened, and soon afterwards he heard a
noise, as though the sheep were 'being driven about.
In a few minutes the three men came out of the
fold, carrying somethitig heavy, and when they
got near him he rushed upon them and seized
the prisoners Andrews and John Berry, and
lifter a sharp scuffle, with the assistance of another con-
stable, succeeded in securing them, but Henry Berry got
away. The carcase of a sheep was then found in a
ditch, where it had been thrown by the prisoners upon
the inspector attacking them. The prisoner Henry
was apprehended the next day, concealed 'under some
hay in a barn, and he was positively sworn to as the
companion of the other prisoners.
Mr. Baron GURNEY, in summing up, observed Viet
offences of this description were mostly committed in
secrecy and in the dead of night, and it was very rare
indeed that the parties were, as in this instance, caught
in the fact.
The jury returned a verdict of Guilty.
In answer to questions from the Court, the inspector
said that John Berry had been tried at the assizes for.
stabbing, and Andrews was well known to be a poacher.
The prisoners were always about the country at night.
Mr. Baron GURNEY then sentenced John Berry and
Andrews to be transported, for twelve years, and Henry
Berry for ten years.
His LORDSHIP observed that he thought the inspector
had acted very courageously in securing three desperate
fellows like the prisoners, and the public were much
indebted to him. He should, therefore, order him a
reward of ten pounds. The Learned Judge also gave
directions that minor rewards should be given to the
constables who had come up to the inspector's assistance.
Francis Tubbs, 35, described as a horse dealer, was in-
dicted for a burglary in the dwelling-house of Anne
Keeling,in theparish of Broxbourne, and stealing a silver
tea eaddy, and other articles of plate, and valuehleea to
a considerable amount, her property.
Mr. Rodwell conducted the prosecution.
The prosecutrix is a lady, residing at Broxbourne,
and on the night of the 12th April the whole of her
establishment went to bed about
.sleven o'olcok, leaving
the house properly secured. Upon the housemaid going
down stairs next morning, it was discovered that the
iron bar of the pantry window had been forced open so
as to admit of a man's body passing through the aper-
ture, and property of considerable value stolen. The
next day, Clark, one of the superintendents of the county
polioe, proceeded to London, and found the prisoner in
the shop of a refiner, in Barbican, where he was bar-
gaining for the sale of the greater part of the plate that
had been stolen, and which had been found in his pus •
session. Upon hisebeing apprehended he told the officer
where he had left the greater part of the reMaitider of
the stolen property, and it was subsequently recovered.
A statement made by the -Prisoner befor the com-
Mitting magistrate was put in evidence. It was to the
isNoot that, on the night in question, he was en his way
to Cambridge, and upon his arriving at .•..nroxbourne,
he observed the house of the prosecutrix, and the
thought suddenly came into his head that he would rob
it. He found all the doors and windows secee,.fi - d
find
nh
he went into a field and got the a
ITith which he forced wen witieleeyeiter of
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