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ttstigeted the cause of the cell they could not propose. any
„ac adequate remedy ter that evil. L, therefore, seemed to him
,t he words suggesed by H Friend were in eff et dusted in in the :notions itseq. brit e•as a mere mattrr of words
t-t oct of substance. He ( Lord Palmerston) had risen for the
it: of alluding to the question of the Stade duties.. There
tweireen very
long negotiations on this subject. They were told
0, e months ago that these negotiations were virtually broken
117ait
wle,n. they had asked for papers en the subject they we.retold
were t papers could not be produtted while the negotianons
and The The negotiatiens had been defunct 12 months,
Ld ihe therefore now asked the Right Hon. Gentleman what
eet r become of that unhappy negotiation, and Whether the Go-
labia could, vs ithout prejudice to the service, lay before
the larna
ect.nt papere which would she iv what had been done on .
tel
',Air. GLADSTONE said the Noble Lord was quite correct
tek'Aing that there had been long negotiations, inasmuch as
j.o;,;ad been in exisienee daring, twe:ve sears of the Nobe
wa.o 3 tenure of offieo..—( Hear, hear.) But the Noble Lord ,
lin'toho.t altogether correct in calling them unhappy negotiations.
oe the'tight there were substantial reasons for congratulation
thoss part of the mercantile body of the country in respect of
twee' °,egotiations, as arrangements had been concluded he-
tet trihner Majesty's Government and the King of Hanover,
detail sheer
were not yet reduced to formal terms, as. some of the,
the., s were at that moment in process of adjustment, but
layaa.W.ere not in suc'i a state as to enable the Government to
At tit/ Information on the subject at present before the House.
ap "'me time he could give a plain and intelligible ex.
ia-eratession of opinion with respect to this subject. He thought
ealitills'ht safely say that the arragements which
The
been made
tent' eeme into operation in October next. The Govern-
toi, "old b 3 very glad when the proper time should arrive
an ft the
Papers connected with the subject before the House,
of th e hoped they would be laid before the HOE se in the course
Ler
,pr_es,.snt session.
re ° PALMERSTON wished to know whether the ar.
ti°,getnents which had been made would place the Stade tell
'iltaaxienun 9.l6ths.
It1C• GLADSTONE must decline answering that question.
bed GIBSON could not see what authority Hanover
8000 et. iMPosing any tars at all. There were also the
ho "es, 'which required to be thoroughly sifted ; and he
read th e
--
y stranittee would not lose sight of them. It was a
*as -,.ay of petting rid of diiiieultiee, to say that this or that
raeta'°' comprehended in the notice, But he thought that the
te bito° of
.his Hon. Friend, the Member for Bolton,. ought not
abeidraet to that way. He hoped his lion. Friend would not,
ste,..„ 41
,rtyli, words of his minion which referred to ships
with
note hoped the House would not go into the inquiry
religiouotion that some parts of it were to be looked upon as
rettiettlit:t, questions not to be touched at all. The word " inex.-
°is ~, 'tam a very vague, if not an unmeaning one; and if
latotis`tit. rriend did not insist upon adding these words to the
De-li'ne„would move their addition by way of amendment.
inquir WRING said he could not see any reason wiry the
woul'lYPruld not be made larger; and he hoped the House
that it allow him to move the addition of words to the effect
effects oe an instruction to the Committee to inquire into the
io te the duties upon the food, &c., of the persons employed
enternereial navy.
Corre,•l4l,l3lllE said that as the Government had agreed to a
Prietta,'"ee for general inquiry, he would recommend his Hon.
Sir l‘o withdraw the amendment.
'to C• NAPIR expressed a hope that the Committee
irkt'" acit be a picked onte.
7:41 motion Ras then agreed to.
antler'ire, COMMITTAL OF A HAWKER.
er "us ME rose.to bring before the House the case of. Alfred
%re ss a licensed hawker, who was committed to prison for
Ana}rn, oaths by the magistrates of Shrewsbury, on the 2d of
ttit4's'EV, upon the charge of obtaining alms under false pre-
hie T• Moore was accosted by a policeman of the name of
s, who asked to see his license. Not having it about
the e required time to produce it ; but he was brought before
tre,,Tagistrates, and by them committed to prison for three
forand at'a vagrant. The license was afterwards produced,
(4.2 warded, ith the petition to the Secretary of State. He
tale itneloe) had seen both the documents. In fact, the poor
;the oo remedy but to apply to the Secretary of State, but
ihrhs,teltet Hon. Gentleman when applied to said Moore might,
~t t.afaferieved, take an action against the magistrate; but
c't" s° poor a man, was out of the question. He. had no
tee t°t• the extent of summary punishments by magistrates,
tera, e extent of puni.hment which they in a summary ma -
kor re'''''led to those who were brought before them. This
the WA"ao had a 'Card on his person, on which were written
I°l teo-re," of Lord Althorp and Mr. Smith, and certain sums
the-q were appended to these names. It was assumed
"Zti,,4lagiqrate that the prisoner had raised these sums by
,told whereas in reality therwere the amounts of goods
°eel" toe houses of these individuals. A begging letter bad
kreeAereueht foeward by a lady, which it was alleged had been
b„tie-e'ed by Mr; ore • hut if the magistrate had compared the
Iser'e-g ell the card and the letter, he would have found that
,u 4; e altar to similarity between them. He owned he. had
e'l,e*,--",re'Rether ignorant of the extent of summary jurisdic-
egtetel eoungry, and the nature of the punishment in-
e's're tIY the last returns it appeared that 72,000 persons
r tOtornitted in a summary manner by the magistrates—not
lioe,"Paid but by the paid magistracy—and if the case
taede; submitted to the House was a fair specimen of
.the
the ,n Which these maeistrates commonly adminstered justice,
t,cloe-t.toer their power was abridged the better ; and the
r7itr'sjatultreoltialeter wluesabrought under the consideration of the
unta eous to the public. By these
keltt!'`,.;4•oooehmado been sentencedg to one month's imprison-
iZsetett,',l,62l to two months, and between one and two
ealleanetsalwisonment ; 7,649 to between two and three months;
L'llai-se-"eteelat ; 6,106 to between three months' and six months
7 sued meat • 796 to months' imprisonment; and 169 to
re--: and Whipped and s.
confined for an unlimited period.
s-4(11 4',„had been nnished for being drunk and insolent, but
1,-.41 Pi. 11,141 e) had been informed by the landlord of the
q4Qthtla,whlch he alodged', and hy another party who knew
ass's ;en seen drunk. As for the charge of insolence, the
th,-nlgey was naturally rxcited by the overbearing conduct
„e l'elieeman. He did not complain of the. conduct of
o„.4tee'ilet, by whom he had been courteously treated, but he
so'ld'itthe Right Hen. Baronet, upon the representation
The Hoer
would have directed an inspector. of prisons, or
e,"e cempetent functionary, to inquire into the case.
li-Atatte,",°. 'Member concluded by moving for a copy of the
-71eOt of Alfred Moore, licensed hawker, at Shrewsbury,
tZtte jj',daY of S pte her' 1843.
„-faSRAEL‘ ea- 'md th'at if the Hon. Member had given
-eit'e his intention aL
;re bring so important a question as
It tithe eee e„--e exercise of summary jurisdiction by the magis-
'Nee eeer the coesideratien of the House, somebody more
lihile'tttelat than himself' would probably have thought it worth
1, t /it ,epty to the Member.
.Perhays e v esn
Gtrhae.
tv°lmurable Gentleman beneath him (Sir James
4,414 ?te'd have condescended. Surely the Honourable
"ptl his opinion on very slight grounds, when he
hithe 'isolated case of a Shrewsbury. hawker. A num-
teh tv D'lsraeles) constituents alarmed by the charge
grateabbUt to he brought forward by so powerful an ad-
net' the Member for Alontro2e, came waitso town not to
s'etec° their own representative, but to upon the Hen.
lit!° arid to lay the real facts of the case before him. Ttheay
jinie,roded at being informed by the Hon. Member t he t
li,ttle to 01 to bring the subject before the House. They
dh
to:, told ihiro (Air. D'lsraeli) and asked what tbey should
itat,„..,in there was only one chance ; he thought it was
titsdi',rnsies from the observation he had made of the Hon.
,11t:ii.tc,Ooduct during the time he had a seat in Parlia-
-44,:•••,(c, he might misunderstand their case and misstate his
untleiiil\teyeat laughter.) It had turned out exactly as he had
ti wand'
He had wholly mistaken the circurnsta s that
ti ward and entirely misunderstood the case he ladncberought
IvZl,, hart b heillouse must have observed that no distinct allege-
ds t,,,eornadehere. A person was convicted who. had afte.r-
le-,:es, °Pportunity of appealing to the visiting masgts-
4re refused''l would not interfere; the Secretary of State
a1i,„4,, to interfere; and now, the case was broughtd
geed a donee of Commons. The Hon. Gentleman had
vi,,ea'e of horrible injustice. He would state, in a few
tii:lte), "'at had occurred. A person, who appeared to be a
lil;,krk'' a called to account for being drunk and brawling in
-` totedet'Place. The Hon. Member said (as if it was a fact
i,"t be proved) that it was rumoured the man was
stet 'ldele- the depositions, it was sworn to,. by a respectable
thoo'ha\sent Man, that he was drunk. He was. confined,
LIN 'te ire" oot
;themmediately brought before a maeistrate, he
eit:ea, was held to bail, but good bail was re-
ttiarne,e;o3cquence of certain papers that were found upon
gated„ oree-se them was a card, which the Hon. Member said con-
ale'oovea' for cutlery that he sold on commission, but which
11,41herr; to bear on it forgeries of the signatures of the Hon.
hePssa,;,°' Salop, and of Mr. Field, the Town Clerk of
Ste"„ettet„leso perfect in their imitation that they c9uld imt
lioo-11e, any one not very well acquainted with their
lestie,„"e ease was carefully investigated, the examinee
kr whole day.
teenes:'l.),iatt—Who were the witnesses?
I°lore-'"AELIThe Hon. Member was proving himself
tthous,,sygru.rant of the case than he had imagined him
ipso tocel,r, hear.) The witnesses were the officer
him into custody—(" Hear, hear," from Mr.
he'4tl he head of the police force--(" Hear, hear," from
lte
eateet7etile county clerk—( Hear, hear)—the keeper of
S"pr." A I`t,(;use where the hawker had stopped, and a female
i.elatntekrebetre"la Rogers. This took place in the month of
'1471' a;t• A local print—not influenced by the Hon.
ttr'"nadi4 lontrose, but one that certainly greatlyadmired
ate,
,s t,'a4l that this case was a consequence of having ma-
esiot t'hr°toted by a Tory Government. But it happened
!ieed lei magistrates concerned in the case had been ap-
+ti hi Inoue ,e late Government, or put on the bench by mum-
% virehe,e: There could, therefore, he no party feeling
V4lly Ct
atter' of their conduct. In fact, there never wae a
'0 i"eabn'i °le. in any country, brought before Parliament by
even by the Hon. Member for Montrose himself,
Phli the shabby.—( Hear, hear.) It was a case than
O ''lsteeo
recce `en. MCmber, even in the greenest Brie of his
jeir -;1 es'
.111 en he brought forward cases of vances
t'verY -"'• of the world—which generally turned out the
414'ti S•-• of what he )resented them—even when he told
thiekuteg...d (Itatltilac.hthat hewraest the greatest " allegator" in the
4at .that
never brought forward. one more
Ad es, the 'IF thought the House would decide as the ma-
et,lnready (t '':isitiog Magistrates, and the Secretary of State
-_rateOecteo,_emded,thet, theman was takenupae:abrawler.; that
as et had beg of his Fossession or certain papers, a complicated
seat, deserveso discovered, and that he ;vas, therefore,treated
itehe prrsd be—aecording to the law of England—come •
re,„;eo.°o__as a rogue and vagabond He had expected
thr.hm,would enetl would have some shadow. of a. case, and
t eto aq, now, this case having happened in Sept
°laut,„ Yor or' ,Were there any witnesses at all. H. o was sure
°otati "deetio,,tne town clerk, with whom he was in constant
tekt..4t dott-%-,, would give him an answer on this point. He
'441 CILLD- tliat the House would negative the motion.
tiatWeerilzto f (Athlone' ) wished to know from the Hon.
e.11.1,11ed, (4. what ofience this person had been taken up and
e'uaraet:-.3lSie,
Nate, Plate 4Eltsaid he was taken-up for being drunk in the
Air anti was convicted for living as a rogue and a
h •la
Jfetlith ,el/11E
,Peee'ele 'aul that if bold assertions were to carry a man
• 'lltite 11. Gentleman had done his best.—(Laughter.)
jl/4 rttleo 11 of
the f sit Ice , ye.. aets—no doubt, done unwittingly and
_ e the e_ were to suffice, the Hon. Gentleman had done
"etkr "se' hut h
ri'e:l • Y Gr st e asked the Right Hon. G. entleman
eed si 14 the for the Home Department whether he
kethi,,, (41. Ce
,vlew of the Hon. Gentleman ? When the
qtkti'"-, that t'it'eroall was applied to, he said he could do
,Nth, 11w. ,„` ,8 Person had no remedy except to bring an
74.011.4115:t: was Alhantt
.showed the opinion •of the 'Right Hon.
tit,4t Was taL:TI this individual had been injured. This
th te denim b because it was alleged that he was drunk.
tiodtl,2, h t 4:41011y Y°or persons, and he was convicted on the
th,' 11,,,,great°e', t.he polieee an who took him up. He
-!ttatie,r`.' the e,miusticte had been done this individual,
sei`ir jin iceat
Hon. Gentleman would not approve of
so.errea he had been treated.
e'ett,er. hl said that, as the Hon. Gentleman had
boo 'etitio toe best we'll(' make a few observations on the
the
to hi,
,e_f. his recollection, this person
in prison,
these hirano to exte j. Graham) while he was in prison,
infurnlaYor, He ,nei.::oc mercy of the Crown to. him, and to
U1'4.11408h uas `red to the convicting magistrates; and
1,50 settate4 of the 7_ magistrate chosen by popular election,
poliooreek / the 111 cis, which were almost identical with
Into 'roari 'll the • Gentleman behind him. This person
Ar 4 cattle e, I°larket-o„
of Shrewsbury, when the
", and t'oel bei ..
was cony. ttl; abusive and disorderly.he was put
Ale esioti
_.eonsidored
.leted on the sworn testimony of this
eh
et it most unsatisfactory to arrive at a
14 to 4,:lee to btaternents, as the Hon. Member for
atati nav
houseue.
141- He .was apprehended and
IR the station-house he was