The Sun.
London, England, 1810-03-20 00:00:00

, cery.

Sir J. NEWPORT preferred his , Hon. Friend's Re-
-" sOlution t.i that of the Right. Hou„Gentlenian, be-
cause the former referred. more partipulp.rly to the
- inunedirie necessity. (4 gcotionly-. As. tc. what hid
. been just
,stated by t4e Lear,ed - oppo-
site,,- relative to the,Drotts .otA(lmiridty, he wished
'to ask ivhether,;ot. those vessels belonging to the
Danes,'Sz.c. so unwarrantably seized when in the re-.
coutse of trade in, our iivyr.s, two-thirds Lad
. ,been given to captors ?
Sir J. N repkq, tlot- the vessels trading with
licenses had been releastd. The others were, !of
I.ttle value. , •
The CHANCELLOR of the.Excuko,4a contended
that his proposition ww of a. broacier_naturethan
that of the Bon., G.entleman.- His propositiun ,de7
dared that it, was the ditty tit tl.:e House at all tirries
to attend economy, while that of the. Son.
- Gentleman swas-confined . to, the staten..ent, that in
the.present.ardnouS iituptl6o of the country, it was
their buty 4o attend to,the ectioomy. With
rttspect too. the Produce of t 4 dietain;.d.Datusli yes:,
eels, not one farthing' bad been 'applied itt any. other
way than to,ibe puhlip service and to the Captors.
With a Part of that- produce the, property 61teir at
Copenhagen had been pnrchased.from the captois:
_ Mr. A. BAnit,io 'was of opinion that the.present
systein of trading by license was calculated to give
great influence to Goyernnwnt.., n
The CHANCELLOR Of t:)H:EXCHEQUER denied the
.pos,ihliity of such influence Len exerted without
immediate deteOtion.,
iNdr.'Bitaiut thought detection was by no means
easy. ,

IN: Ir.. itoE contendeT.tbat if improper practices
were' :resorted to by Governtrtent, in this gespeet,
DotibllcOUla be more easy
.than to expose.thcni.
The first resolntiot; was the agreed to.
Mr. MARTIN iiext proposed the sec,;4‘..l tesointion,
involving the expediency of the 4bOtion. of Sine-
curei. , .
Mr: tAN.ICRS tole to propose his Amendment. It
appeared to him desirable, instead of the vague lan-
guage of. the Hon. Gerrtleman's Resolution, that
the,Committee should at once prciouunce in what,
spirit ;n,.',d on what principle they intended to apply
the system, either of , aboli,tion or of tredualou of
the sinecures.' in every S:-..,s'Mon they were under
the necessity. of laying increasing burthens VII their
_C-Aislituents. Would it not occur to the individual
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eo burtliened to ask whether there.was,not some

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part of the iiblie-expeneliinre which might be cur». therefore, 'wee to b6.dietintStly....seitttel,
tailed ?. Let lam part: be ever so atoll, the principle abolition of the einecure.offitrs; but respeeting the
Was. important. elt would shew that the-House of sebstitute nbtfring,e it' seemed, 'was to be as 'ertaiii-
Commons. were anxious to do their duty. The ed. The Crown was to part with that -which it (tad;'
country would bear itshurtherr with cheerfulness if without knowing what it was to obtain in teu. Was
il-saw that no more was-imposed upon it titan ne- it to ba -the whole' or a • third.?' or a quartet, dr. demanded. If any one expe&ed that his what proportion .I. Of thisithe-Committee`bird .no'
ttian „would' otealion anv • great saaiiig in.the public idea. frowver.,- on. the other- hand; not any
-expellee, in that expetataeh.n he would be diaana diminution.of the public expence were to take ',lade,'
pettited. Though the saving might' not be utterly ait retrained to he-asked whether it was`Worth white
lticonsidrable ,in itself it xcould.be trifling when -to adopt= the change merely-far the.sake of names -`
compared with . the magnitude of the national. ee- It was vain to suppose that such a change would -
penditure: The rffeaa:olit, tibwever, on. the fret a tead.to reconcile the 'peoPle- to :their' burdens." It
ings of the country would, he 'believed in his con-. was well said 'in Mr. Burke's report on- the sithjca'
science, be very 'e!eeat indeed. It was-the duty of that no man knew, when he'cut off the incitements
that House to see that the•public money wag not to-bottom:4We ptibliCiervice„ewhat injury he ,eliaht.
wasted, and that where ie was. given for -the pere_ do to his country, Such a saying 'to the Public••forttrauee of a duty, that duty was attually per-forth- Might preve the worst way of robbing it.
His
ed. The Public: had a right. to demand service for, litie.-Fri'enal' went no-further than to aay that on the-
' emolument. Where, therefore,• offices once eflicint whole lie was inclined to think that the orange
sunk into sinecures, it became the Vigilance of Par- would beTserviceahlee Was'eliere'eeer suchfile,
lisment to abolish them
,There were many offices;; damental altetationain a -systern .proposed upon ouch
such, for instance; as that of the Auditor of the 'a ground ? Lleless the House were ,dechtedly of
- Exchequer, in which the number of otlicets had betel opinion that the change would be for the better, he.
necessarily inef%,aSed by. the increase of business., trusted thet.they Would not adopt his Hon..friend'e
These, of course, it. was not his intention to' touch a_ preposition. Of all. the mischief which ,spitteg from
what he; wished -generally to propose was, that all a reforming spirit, thai of eharigingaavithout any dee
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offices in themselves sieecuresaatterathe. existing an- . tided object was the worst, • It was a delusion to
terests in them were extinguished, ought to 'be abo- iteagine that a ehange, such* that proposed, would
balled. He knew it would be argued, that these in airy degree tend to remove public diseolvent.—.
sinecures were coilaierally naefule by
_the 'means Burke, in the report to which he had alluded,
which theratforded.the Goverti,t;ent of ,rewmtcliug merely alloWed that be had
,no great te.rjeetion
ptitilic 05eLv ice . He-agreed that
.it Wei etrectse, such a chatigee and then went onato.sey that he did •
nary to give Governmeht the meatis of reWarding ; aiot think it prudent to 'propose it, fet that if he.
long and faithful public services, and it wasehis• took away the' sifieCures, the hurdler) of proof
tension to make a proposition to that effect. The. ; .wotild-loy. upon him to shew how many pensions
question was, whether
_this °clltl lee better dame 1?1' \Veie necessary in their stead-j—a thing -wholly
sinecures or .by pensions ) He was etehned to think floiioureble Friend bad illu,.
that the latter• would be preferable., Thenotoricty etretecl his argUneents7 by recent grant of en
Of them would prevent their being granted. to ire- office; • a grant which was perhaps one o'f- the
.proper personi. It ,was. not his wish to say any most tMexceptionable ever bestowed.' In the.
thing inviditioa, but-a recent event wouhl be a stair;-first, place,could net 4dmit Hon. Friend's
frig-illustration-of his opinion. ,A great public.. se; Vree
principle, that such .offices miist necessarily be be-
having bet-pepormed, Ministers advised his Ma- stowed on persons who could make out theie title j sty .to.serld_ a Ne.sage to the :House, requasi"g- to them by he most *meritorious services. He could
them that they wohld:enable hint to. reward • not find this necessity either in. tie Law or in-
HOuse3CCOrdiDgik thoug4t,fit so to enable: 'YIP- • the Cobstioation. They formed a part or the pa'. •
jesey, Diaring the progress of the-Bill,
,law-ervert teenage of ;he Crowe ; tole given to .worthy
in ii-
considerable sinecure office fell into the hannseof Vidnals certainly, but as certainly to be glued to
Right Hoea.Gentlernaneoppesite. He crib not hiatiae whomsoever tee Crown oho e. His Hon. Friend
him ;- much leas was he. surprised at his cen`luct;i asserted, that this office might have been' given to
the fate was, that instead .of being given to the the. Noble" Lord, respetaing a provision for whom
Noble-,Lord :who -was the object of toe Kireg's Mesee his Majestythad sent a Message to that House. But
sage, the place-in itiestion..was bestowed: upon a it would have.' been impracticable '-to have granted
Noble
_Lord a. reverside her two lives of tire
Gentleman--an houourable (rein :Unquestionably; a met.
ind..one. who, tie sincerely believed,. was influenced (Mite,' as he hed of the pension. Witt' respeet to the
in his poinical career by no other etansideretion
individual, who,bad in t hiecase been the.ebjett of the
Ins untaiasae,.tjudgineut—but,
byw,tionrinohody could , bonety of the Crown, he ptesumed•that it the pn'lace
say that any -public service had bete, performed. in questien had fallen. Vagrant a few years ago, Whe.
Had sinecures been abolished:, and peesions subati-
j that
„inctivielliil left' ales, it would not have been
i
used, it was net easy to believe that a pension equi-
thought ; i nproper ,to have bestowed it upon him.
valeet to the sir,ecurs •vanuld have been hestOwte, on He we:is aware what length of service it was sup,:
die Hon. Gentleman to whom tie allVdeal: There posed ,would justify- such a grant._In the present
write ,bratty other cases, tor instance, of Chancel- instance ehe thongiat the office was aeiven with as
lore in_ which it aver,' iteceaiar to glee rernunera- nuke' propriety to the individual .alluded tows it
tion fer ehre sacrice of prrvate practice, &c. • If ceuld navy l*ai' given to any rather individual'of
a sinecure tiff -;e nee vaeank. wleee ~001 re' either shifol the House. . After .a -short recataitula-
mtmeratiou baca,ree" naceasery, peneere w.na inl7 Ltion i.is arguments, the Right Hone Gentleman meoiataly ereeted.. kkaa all .t..=ese nieena seta:ore .concluded by declaring his decided hostility to the
:otaietts were left to be bestowed: by tee Crowe as Arnetidinent.
-tnere_favours, • 1;le was .induced to think the abo- Mr.. Reereea, in explanation, .was disposed -to
1 think, that, as Measute of economy it would be
lition •of sinecures eel; erthee and the subs t itte•
tion -of a 'power to his Niaiekty to grant pensions to a
.highly beneficial, but it was not a little too 'much
a limitedmutiti t, q., 1,14.,..,t
Lee eargnt tionOttrable Gentleman to expert, that
of the sinecures, and cninmencing with. their e 3- " in this discussioo he should, be state the
tin lion. What- tie meant was, that as the sinecures precise' sum to which the abolition should be limited.
teal vircant, the Crown should be vested with :the.
_net was a subje& for future discussion ; many Gen-
power of ,granting equivalent pensions What the flemeri might agree with hhri as to'the principle of
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the easure, elthoughehey might differ with rea
wi,ole.saving op this might be., lie would not pre-
m
d
tend to estimate •
.The next class of offices to which
spe to the sum. It was not .a new proposition,
fiev,onld advert, consiated not co,oe)letety of sine, for he had brought it forward on the Bth June,- and
cures 'but of elaces; the duties of WiDell viers by no therefore the charge of tekiug the' Mouse by sur-
eueetis eqoal .to the, reemmeratien recelee:le He prise was not correc.i. As; the Right. Honourable
should propose a dimitintion in the emolument of. Gentleman and the Honourable
.Gentleman's reso-
: 'Mime were:in:print, he shOuld also wish that
sueleoffices. e The next and ,the more nurnerorre
s
clasa wasehae of offices solo, :many of which mr ei*b resOlui ions might be Peiniqd, in order that Gentle-
in.meri might
.be prepared to discuss,the aubjed when
our Courts of Law. To them-tie:should propose
-the eatneegeneral principle, reducing the salaries-to again renewed.
an equivaleut io the dutie, perforal. ,In ad eases :The. efiXttiCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER would not-
it would be expedient-10 lake security when the. object-to the auggestion of the Honourable Gentle-
public .money .was entrusted to individealse The man for-printing the He wished* how-
proporition6 which he had mentioned lie shouldefole ever, that the further consideration should not in-
lo eby.others relating to Superannuated Oa-lacers, to # terfere with the .thip-osal of the Inquiry into the
the hash and !Sc.tch. Pension Lists, &c. the ' Waleheren Expedition. ' With respett to the argu-
amendMent which he WOUld, propose to die seeped merit of the }Honourable Gentleman; that it was
Resolution of the Hon. Geutlenrall was—A
sufficient to state the principle of the measure,. P:
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That. the Conuffittee deem it expedient to abo- hot to called upon to tilt, any precise sum, he::
fish all offices having rz:v'J.nue without employment, must observe, that'the Prinetple rested on the aholi-
atid.to reeetilateall tett:ices, the revenues of which are two being limited.• - .
dispropot emsate to the empleyinent (except such as Mr, WitteleteAD 'deriiod' that- 'the Honourable
are-cotinetted with the personal aervice of his Ma-
Gentleman had taken the House by'surprise, and
jeaty and the_ Royal Faintly) after the...ex.piration el instanced the Motion of the Bth June, as showing
the existana interests in those offices." ' the: cdntraty fedi. The' Right Hortourabba Gentle
Subeequent.Resolutioos. that he meant to propose man who stood up the, advoeate of sinecure places,'
would declare the expeeiency of taking security in- was in an auk ward situation; for lie 'held ()laces of
all cases in which the.pkblic money ;was to that description by a sort of -heredita:ry right, not
an indiiidufill -of preventing the sale of Offices in'. conferred lot any-public Service. 'Alluding -to the
COurts of Law, &.c. and of enabling hie:Majesty to., appointment of Mr. Yorke to. the Tellership of the.
grant pensions to-individuals whet letal,taithauily dis- Exchequer, the Hottourable. Gentleman 'declared&
,charged, high ~and important eetvik es e such poe er that it. was evident the- people- received the intirna-
of granting pensions Commencing with the extittea tion with disgust; -indeed they had evinced /if
by
their rejeCtion of him at. Cambridge.' Headepre-
tioe of the. sinecure offices to be abolished.
The CHANCRLLOR of the KX.C.ohatiza. observed, cated the granting Ofsinecures, which-were' Weak-
that 'whatever might be thought of his Honourable; ness to the Crown 'instead of strengtheningit,
Friend's proposition in otherarespetats, it must he al- were butelensome and eisgesting to the people. He
lowed to be highly important, pertect)y .new, and then noticed and commented on" the paniphlets of
affeAing very extensively the Ito) al Peerogatiee.--. Mr. Rose and. LordaMelvillee -In the ,fort»er,
his-owe person he had no.reasen to coinplaiit that Rose had made some -obsereationi with reateet 'to
.his Hoe. Friend had. brought forwattfathis motion Lord Carrington, which he- (Mr. .W.) thought ih-
Without .havilig given him due notice. But he correct. LoildCarringioti had been a eiale!criber to
doubted -whether the Cenamittee was prepared tea Mr Pites'coreeforts; and when the nation 'agreed to
adopt such an extensive proposition oneitsiirst state-. pay that- Mitiieter's, debts; the ,Noble Lot d refused tot
ments. .A very .long debate had taken place last receive b-sic his. subscription. Not so with_ the
Session on theae Resolutioes ;: but ais •Hoti.,.Friend , Right laorieurable Gentleman ; far, if his intorroa-
had not then suggested the ineasere DOW preporied lion was true, . tee Right • Honourable' Author did,
by him.
-.-For his pie,' he had no ditlieulty to sate` lett heetate teereeeive.hack his subaeription. Ad-
that lie could not concur-in' the antereimeet of 'erring to Lord Melvele's pitinpJila on' the 4ubjet-
,Honourable Friend. • His HonoueaNeFrieticl had of the necessity of building an arsenal at Notti;fl,et, .
proposed that the power to be giveti io his Miijesty he noticed one particul.er pass:•ige, in which •it A‘iiS
of granting pensions should be cemmensneate to the stated as one olthe great ;theses requiring cOrreetion,
atriouriteof the sinecure offices abelis,,e4.• au that -I that in an iiikta,uce,:w here vessels, were to'be
case there would be no publ:C saving. Batkes led for eight:Months, before they got to the :Nore
saidea across thf.t,Oble; that he did net aO .date his theieproviaioter were all •consuneel tlee
proposition.]—ln that case, then, there was to be a , Public were most sliteneftilly plundered. In this
diminution of the; public expence. (inc thing, pamphlet at wottad appear that the Noble Lord's ob-
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jei was to In"flame. Ito puhl'c min -ag be;
Governmelt, The Hon. 'after tni -inn
some fiirther observations, expressed ;, irn el as b ing
friendly to ecritiOMiCal reform.•
Air. ,litoSg defended his pz) tn*r.,•blet frOm the'nniu,st
'obiervatioriiof the kronoura',:ie gkmittiorid:(l6-
- b*Vi"6i.fili`li 'h~ had rrhsrely stai6ti fads, and
itninu In bat he hal-said dboiit •
Mr., Pitt, Le liad
.1y9:11 Jua.led- by motives of stt,tc,
core gratitude for :the ,ti;Orf'. ". who:, 'ast,.,
long'as life. !ern:tined V.,(Jtlid be drat' -to hitn An,:.)
liOrtr;nrable Getitlehrin had cliwged him Riffitrt)
With unnecessary- cant ; if writ rg ti.e.,l-roth; and
paying respe& to the ino,itory of a de,.-eii`.2d Minister
swas cant, then he Most ptead-;guilty. In -dotng
So, lie vas on'tY perfortn:ng,ail a-A....0f-jtA4tice. He,
lladbeett charged with receiving back hi: subscrip'-
tien—lhat.charge lie denied, tor lie had tint
-ecl a single shilling; i,.deed he was incaPableolsuilt
ati act.

, My,,W.ArtitsEan, apologized to the Right.
6entiemaa for.havin; misunclerstood the_ tact with
respefflo Thestibsciiption money. ,
-After
:sow wither conyersati..ftbetweell'.ll.lr,...FE
THoRN•roiR, N.swppa'r, Mr, 13 ANKES;
-and Mr.,MARTitI, it was agreed that the, resa.u.tion
of 'lliri,i3arikei should be, postponed, till 'o,niorrove
fortnight. The
,Cbairinrin ao'cortingly7rvported pro-
gress,..anA the, lun I)e.r consideration was:,ahis)urned.
till that day.
Mr..,Secretary RYDEs,brought sip several
.p.ipers
of correspondence between ths_ll,firquis
Mr. Frere, the.'sulaject..ot the attars .o(:
, Ordered to be , •
CI(OKBit presentt-d the answer of Sir Richard '
Ktates to certain ouestioos-put to thin try
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The
,Commitiee on the Distillery Bill was
postpOned tnorrovv.
Mr. KUTCH iNSQN .gate. notice of a to,,t: .or
Papers on ti;e i-t Dove subjet to,tLurrii‘v.
In a Coh.%iitiee of stipply,jlte_su,li of 4,6021.'
was voled .tor.the improvement of Ardlas;iiiti,utie
in I,tlklSO4. .

The.otilei, Orders Of the Day were ti3Osed ot,. and
at Hail-past Tweke o'Clock he 1:1011$e

CHELNSFQitD

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Joivz •IFilson 'Robinson, a toot 'siActier, was indie4,4'
en for felOniousli uttoring, three Not‘fs,
porting to Notes of the Bank of
,Thgi
prisoner pleaded guilty to the indiclineg-t, and W 4
. •
Baron MACDONALD took frequent occasion
serve; in the course of the ;.ria•s, that .tht-ie 4 as no' 1‘
County in Enjlatici 8;') mu.bti dt3,;raced by this sp,-cies.-
ot tobb.:rv, ot serOuts upon their.sma,i.e.;l,, .iN ttei
county of gsseits; the olie. ce-w:,ts so 11eirious.and
prevarerni' that it became necessary. tolpt,t it dowri.
by the,sekerity of the law.. In the course of this
Assize he had sentenced one receiver' to year 4
transportation, because he considered the erieouiage-
rrint 'or robbery held out by a receiver, rendered:
him worse than twei)ty thieves. He had dealt by,
_the thieves thetriselves this Assizes with a I...nity they
little deservekl ; but lie he declared, that I arneokurilii
and •at every future, Assizes of the county ultere jig
preside,,he-should transport every such.thief
convicted before hii-n. •

Ten were discharged by proclamation, and the fol.-
lowing capital convicts received The awful septaica
of death t--

Wm. Nichols and Thomas Dean, for stealing an
charleslave.n, for A.SlMilarCriale j Joint Plum,
mer, for,butglary and robbery ; Henry Newland, lot
stealing 131n1c-notes above 405.. in a thc".siiillg-i10..6%!5
Payne,,for stealing in a dwelling.-!rouse to the
value of 51. 15s. 6d. ; .11(.41.Wilson, for curse-steal-
hag ; John Browne,:for burglary.and robbery._
. The unhappy priioners;citi the conclusion .cef.tWir
sentences, fell on their knees id the dock, and,svera-,
ed 'highly agitated with horrof and .II". •
The Judurs is the evening 'left town fur maid-
stone.'

-"MELANt,HoT.vAccintitix...-"Air.Gliskill,ofThorno
I'l4lo, 'tear \\FaustOrd, accompanied .by, his son, a
youth about twelve years of age, a short time since
went out to shoot rabits .along, with Mr. Wing, the
Duke of Bedford's game-keeper; about ~twelO-e
o'clock they sat down and regaled themselves in I 3
close where some rabbits wire about,.one
of which coming witiiio gun-shot of Mr. Wing, lie
aimed at it, but unfortuuateLy lodged_ the whole
charge io the he. 4.1 of Mr. Gaskill's sun, whonor
serving Mr. WiDg's intention had got up close to
the gun at the instabt'he pulled the tri,ggef.-1:h.
youth died icirtned iatrly.