The Sun.
London, England, 1817-02-08 00:00:00

have been.ahle, at once, to lit:Ony, not *Orel-1/211er
the estimates were moderate in themselves, but
whether they Were such as the conntry could al-
lard. lie the went through his former state-
ment, to prove that even after every proposed re-
duction, there would still bb.a deficiency of sere,
rat millions in the reventic.to •meet the expendi-
tore of the year. The Noble Lord, to be sure„
might add somethiOg more on this side Of the
account, or on that, lie was acquainted with
the extraordinary means, ‘thilst he (Mr. 'l.) -only
knew the ordimury ones. It was possible that the
estimate of the Consolidated Fond in 1816,`shotIR
differ from that of 117, hut he did not believe that
there could increase in the produce of taxes.
It was .more.li‘tely there would be, a diminution ;
things standing as they now were. lie should
pass by the savings of the next year 1,070,0001.
out Of 18,3113,0001: no.e would be even then -A
deficiency of two millions, unless a redaction of
three Millions should be effected on the Whole.—
fact, unless the whole of the SinkingYund
should be set apart, there would be no saving
whntevir at- the end itt the year, and- 911 that
could be done would be to make both ends meet.
was clad, however, to hear that-the Slaking'
Fund would not be touched. -Even in liii days of
hostility to Mr. Pitt,' he bad always .done•hha the
fullest justice for the establisloneut of that mostim-
portant Fond. No wan, even the Noble Lord flint-
•self, held that pledge given to public credit more
sacred. Nothing but the most absolute danger to
the State should ever induce him to consent to
drawing oot Of that source. Next to this, he
felt the greatest satisfaction at the statement made
by the Noble Lord respecting an elevated quarter.
lie should, indeed, be a most•extraordinary man,
it he did not rejoice at the proceeding adopted
by the highest authority in the land. It had come
late, but he was glad that it had conic at all
%Viten he said late, he meant that Ministers had
waited too long to advise the Prince Regent
on that matter, for he 'weer doubted his Koval
•Ilighness's di4position. • Had the advice been
given- twelve months back.; -bad the Noble Lord
their pursued the course which he was now yur-
suing,nnost of those discontents which had Woken.
mit its various wilts of the country, won'd not be.
now existing. As tii.the reduction ot tie sall;ries
of the principal Officers of the Crown, the Noble
Lord hail spoken in steloW a toue.of voice, that, he
was doubtful -whether he- had perfectly compre-
hended him. lie (Mr,,T.) had often. pressed the
propti:ty of such rat tasures upon them,., :Bat was
it out st range, that with sods :means of, acquiring
popularity and ,the- confidence. of the nation itt
their hamii, Ilkey•shoold have waited till a time of
distress, so. that all that should be got would seem
to have been extorted front them ?. Let the state
'of the national representation:be what it might,
tprovidcd the llouse coutioned, to give such prae-
tical,answers,.to reformers, it need not • fear re-
form, and it would be dtilipult to persuade the
people that the state of the represt nu-idiot was
:et-11%0. lie then deleuded his Honourable and
Learited . Friend (Mr. Brougham) for haying
adopted the Sallie.cqurse as *Mr. Sheridan, in order
to demonstrate the inutility of ballot. lie then
deletided the Committee of 'l:fo7, and contended
athiit.two many subjects Were t'ci be referred to the
one now proposed to enable it to-do any elfeetnal
It war unit Sufficient to Lave only One
rti
Committee'; there • oitght to but a Separate Com-
mittee for each -branch of •the public service. By
acceding to the Noble Lord's proposition, the
House would do no more than draw a curtain be-
tween the country and theeicpenditnre, As to the
nomination oft he Committee, the. Noble Loyd said,
t hat the best proof he could.give of. the sincerity of
Government in this business dould be, to take an
equal number,of Gent Joliet) from the wosidesot the
House.—But thin, at the sante titne,the Noble
Lord treated'the moitrals rather too roughly ; for
althongli he did not admit theme ilttO his Commit-
tee, yet he seemed to intimate that they were not
likely to dui oitich•LtitOil. Nis** (Mi'. Tieruey),
wgold say, that it the neutrals were good for any
think, it was fOr—sitch a Committee as thus.---
(Laughter.}--Ile had sometimes been reproached
with 'being a patty mao but whatever opinion
some persons might entertain on this subject,
lie
aould only say that he gloried in being a party
man. Certainly this ti's; not the case with a good
. many Members of that !louse, but there were
even ditlerent parties among the neutrals, out
party of whoni hall maintained -a sort of armed
neutrality, which ended in their joining the Bel-
ligerents, and as sooo.as they had done so, every
one of, theta was put upon the sta.-04.1,!,
Gentlesneti on the other side of the
• Ilanse 'seented ailwayS to' find fault with Ore .itett-
trals; but those_.nit his. side tally did,so• when
duty fonOt under false colours, and kept a double
set of col Ours in their
the question waS Much more serious as to,the ad-
mission of ,men in •office into such ,a .Committee.
lie would ask if the Noble Lord was in earliest
Oink the abolition of offices, When he put' ;too
this CoMmittte the holders•of offices ? The Noble
Lortl, however, said, that withoto the assistance
id Merl in office, a C.ononittec set to decide upon
the necessity of maintaining or cutting oil certain
Helices, *Mild n Judge set to decide a
cause without .counsel or witnesses. In answer to
this lie would jest. say, that le would wish to have
assistane.t of these Geutlemen merely as cOtio-
irl or witnesses, bud in no other capacity. As a
Member, pf theCtinunittee, lie would wish to have
these Gentlemen iirpflice before him, and not be-
side him; and if ise %Tele to have the honour of
being a 'Member of the Committee, he would!)--if
;a-
tiler be in any other company.—(llear, hear
Ile defended Laird hI. Petey's Committee in 1806 ;
and'strid,:if the present ComMittee were composed
of men whose immediate and personal interests or
feelings conill um even be suspected of a leaning
towards 'the preset ration of ally particular:offiCes,
then tbe•House might expect from it a report on
which it might act during the present Session; ,butt
if 'the Committee were not so composed, it would
ld
be a- mockery to expect any substantial go
'front its labours, or any thing that could' lead to
a beneficial arrangement during the pietent year.
lie theretrire hoped that. some Member would
move, that the second instruction ro the Com-
mittee in the Noble. Lord's Motion-shoo:Id be left
out,' for theintrpose of subistittitfogohat which.
tla eiremustances of the country,
ions of the people required. Ills tbject WAS
rind.the expect