The Sun.
London, England, 1828-05-21 00:00:00

MOUSE OF COMMONS.

Mr. TYLER moved for a Return of all Silk Goods im-
ported from the sth January last, to the Wth May.
Mr. CURTEIS presented a petition from the -Growers
of Wool at Bromley and its neighbourhood, relative to the
Imputta.doh of Foreign Wool. •
.Mr. CURTEIS also moved for a return of the live sheep
exported from England during the last year, and the coun-
ties to which exported.
Mr. WOOD presented a petition 'from Rotherau, pray:
ing for an alteration iti the Malt Act.
Mr. iItATHCOTE presented petitions from places in
Carnarvon, praying for a tax on the importation of Foreign
Wool.

Mr. SYKES presented a petition from the Surgeons of
the town of Kingstow-npon.Hull, relative to subjects for
the sttdy of Anatomy.
Mr. S. RICE moved fur leave to bring in a Bill to amend
,the laws relative to Banks and Bankers in Ireland fur the
purpose of assimilating them to Banks in England. The
Branch banks of England were obliged to pay in specie
at the places where the notes mete issued, but in Ireland
they were tottvatible only at Dublin, althrugh there were
branch banks in variuus parts of Ireland, as well as` iti
various parts of England.—Leave was given to bring in
the Bill.
PENSIONS ACT. '•

The Pensions Act P.lll then went through a Com►uittee,
and the Report was ordered to be received to-morrow.

ALE-HOUSES LICENSING BILL.

Mr. ES' COURT moved the second reading of the Ale-
house Licensing Bill.
Mr. HEATHCOTE thought that this was an odd
sultect 6. the LegislatiOn of the Honourable 'Member
for the University of Oxford. He objected to the' clause
giving concurrent jurisdiction to the county with the City
Magistrates. There were other 'clauses also liable to objec-
tion, and unless they were amended in the Committee he
should feel hi►nself called upon to oppose the Bill. •
Mr. BERNAL thought shat the Hon. Member would
defeat his own object by attempting too much. He was
legislating upon cases of exception rather than upon the
general rule, and voices he would consent to aloamton or
modify .ouis of the climate of the Bin he should feel him-
self under the necessity of opposing the second reading of
the Bill.

Sir R. 11EIWN said he appi ovul of the 13111, because
it' Opened all liiiiited Jurisdictions to County Magistrates.
Mr. JONES—Unless the Bill were considerably modi-
fied with restieet to the tights of Chartered Corporations,
he could not give it his support. If the object of the pro-
moters of this Bill were to do away with chartered rights,
let it be none openly, and not by a side wind.
Mr. SLANEY, upon turning this matter over in his
mind, and considering that it was placing in the hands of Ma-
gistrates the power of taxing* the sect:nor necessary of life, he
thouglii the measure opposed to the principle of free trade,
which prevailed in other branches of Commerce, he should
oppose it. The principle which regulated public houses,
prevailed at one time with respect to the first necessary of
life—bread, hot that principle was departed from, without
any dl the prognosticated inconveniences arising from the
departure. He thought every man who was_of good cha;-
racter, ought to be at liberty to take out a licence for a
public house, if he preferred investing his property in that
trade rather- than in any other, but when he said this he
did not mean to say that the Magistrates ought not to have
the regulation of such houses, but that power should not be
accompanied with authority to say who should and who
,should not have a license. The present system of licens-
ing . public-howl:3 deprived the labouring public of the
benefit which they must derive from a fair competition in
the supply of beer, which was in this country the second
necessary of life. In many districts nine out of ten publi-
cans brewed their own beer, and he would venture to say,
without fear of contradiction, that in those districts the beer
was of a better quality, and supplied upon more reasonable
terms than in those districts, where the supply of Beer
was monopolized by the large public Brewers. There were
in England and Wales 50,000 public-houses, and it
could be proved beyond doubt, that by the present Li-
censing system, the annual average increased value of each
House was 201., and therefore the annual tax imposed upon
the labouring pour by this monopoly amounted to one
million. It had been said that the morals of the poor re-
quired that the number of public-houses should be limited,
but,he confessed that he could not see much weight in tilat
argument to support the Brewers monopoly, and he thought
it* increasing habit of the labouring classe., to frequent
public houses was'to be principally attributed to the too
prevalent practice of inclosinu commons, and thus depriv-
ing the poor of their usual* and necessary places of re-
creation.
Mr. G. BANKES objected to the Bill, upon the ground
'that it unnessarily lessened. the power of the Magistrates
haiing local jurisdictions, by giving concurrent jurisdic-
tion to the County Magistrates.
. . . .

_ Lord SANDON objected to the saving clause,
because
he disapproved of a system of legislation which provided
a remedy without any proof of the existence of an evil.
~ 'A.It. HUME—He always approved of throwing open all
much a,,i,,„
ilirliisnictions, and he should not, therefore, object
""te'ru • d' •
to tit,
consequence of the clause which had been so
Iv.erted upon, but his objection wus to the Bill
which ought
it.ell, because 4
it was framed upon the principle of monopoly,
prevail in the Trade of Beer more than
in Tea, Cloth, ;ttio
Wittil:ought the present Bill was calcu-
lated wooD2Litco, or any other commodity.
to do away
from the lieensi
,Many of
I, thean
dabhu
he e should h owuhl di c hthere-
fore now
lraebteudtting
to at the same time ready to
support it, but be
other measure
'::ll.:iner .11vco?leil irer nrie7n.dei7x7ensiv'ellini)°•!'t any
Bill it was provided
down abuses in that system. By tv:it:ireation in cutting
his own
ut mean to say
that
sen,oatindiatnbusshiamld
an abuse,
wabvieobe t
he
dideent,ing
was of frequent occurrence, was remedied.
Mr. CALCRAFT objected to the clause f,„
places, because the refPening
the jutisdiction of chartered
would be to lessen the power of chartered officers who
et a
would be borne down dud out voted by the County Magis-
trates. °
He was a friend to free trade in beer " et
as in bread and cheese and other comiriodities, but Le at
the same time gave notice to the Hon. Gentleman °pp°.
bite, that unless this clause were withdrawn, he (Mr. C.)
should oppose the Bill in tofu.
Sir JOHN SEBRIGHT thought the clause objected to
one of the best clauses in the bill, and one which was en-
titled to the approbation of the House. (Hear, hear.)
He certainly should support a bill having a more extensive
operation, but as no such measure was proposed, he should
abuses of
to
fat,
ewi
presentiieh wsuyu,ltde haveru.
Secretary PEEL took
thetli lion. that opportunity of express-
jog his sense of the services of.
county Member -
posed this measure, and to whom theo.
great oliligattous for having entered into laborious"-e
al,tu

, .
sane details Upon a aubje't in Which the rt otive Which •
generally infat ed lion. Members in entering into such
details—nanW.the private interest of his constituents,
was' wanting, ala where the sole motive which could
have influenced the lion. Member was the public good.—
(Hear, hear.)---The Ifon. Member had taken great pains
in a cause where stuevess could be attended with -no great
fame, aunt lwid given up,mott p,leasatit ectruatitine; Pr, the
p'drpose. of promoting the Oldie Ord: ,It aiyeeirel to
.him that thistill proceeded upon right principles, although
ii was opposed to the principle of free trade, for which he
was an advocate. 'When the Hon. Gentleman opposite
-said that he taw no reason why the trade in beer should not
be put upon the same footing with the trade in bread and
cheese, he certainly agreed with the lion. Member upon
princiyle, but he must at the same time beg, to remind tht
Hon. Member that the consequences Of a free ti•arie,lir beer
were different froih the* dta fzet tkule iii bi•eall and cheese.
fol• Shei3olisiunption of the former produced intoxication-7--
(Hear, hear)—and he believed that the practical expe-
rience derived froni opening the retail trade in cyder,
was such as would not induce Honourable Members
Hastily to introduce a similar alteration iu the beer trade.
Although he approved of the general principle of free trade
yet in the article of beer he thought We must be controlled
by prat:tie-I experience, and inttst place it Under same con-
troull and as it Was fueceSSary to place it iiiidef the cotitrOtil
of the Magistrates, it was to be considered how in the
exercise of that controul abuses were to be guarded:
againit.' Ile thought the general principle of. this Bill
went to guard :against abuse, and if .there were
any • one clause to which a fair objection ,could be
made that clause might be discussed in the Conunittee,
and ought 'nut to be' Considered a sufficient ground for
voting against the second reading of the
Sir J..GRAHAM took the same view of the subject
with his Hon. Friend the Member for Oxford, and would
give the: Bill his'supporti
Mr. CURT EIS complained that informations for selling
beer or spirits illegally co'lld only be laid through the Board
of Excise. Me thought that some alteration Ought to be
made in this respect, and that ine4;,ques should also be
taken to suppress the retail beer shops. - '
Me. ESTCOLtRT replied.
Lord BELGRAVE dissented front that part of the Bill
which gave the concurrent jurisdiction; as itwould be cal-
culated to lower the Magistrates in the. eyes of their fellow-
Citieeni. •
Mr. Sergeant ONSLOW objected giving County 11Ia..
gistrates concurrent jurisdictions in boroughs.
Mr. A. BARING thought it would be better to do
away at once with the corporate jurisdictions, than to leave
them iu the awkward position in which this Bill would
place them.
Mr. SYKES said that it would be an injustice to Cur-
poratitins to allow County Magistrates to interfere with the
regulations of the public-houses within the boroughs.
The Bill was then read a second time, and ordered to be
committed on Friday the 6th of June.
• The'other orders of the day being disposed of the House
adjourned at Seven o'clock.