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London, England, 1817-06-10 00:00:00

TIM PRINCE REGENTS MESSAGE:

Mr. PoNsowav observed, that when, the tom-
munication respecting the late Speaker first cane
to the House from the CVOWII, an oljection was
made against taking it into consideration. The
proposition was in consequence withdrawn ; but
he saw no notice of that in the Journals in which
it ought to appear.

The SPIIAKER Said, it was perhaps his, duty to
explain thecitcmustance as far as lie was inform-
ed upon it. It was true, it did not ,appear on the.
Votes, and could not appear on, the Jounials. A
motion by the Honourable MeMber for Carlisle,
it was .true, did appear, Lbut that was regularly
withdrawn, -and therefore dill not, appear iu the
Votes. There was a difference in the two e3ses.
It appeared to be understood to be. the general
sense that, as on the Chancellor of
quer's motion, a different suggestion was agreed
to, and the notion immediately withdrawn, that
therefore the motion •simuld not appear at all.
For himself he had only, as he stated when he
was first raised to the Chair, to throw himself
upon time. indulgence of the. House. The House
_would see that, there was 'a difficulty •now in
curing the defect'. as the remedy would come irre-
gularly. The Chancellor of the Exchequer'a:inn.
tion was not withdrawn in the regular way by
consent of the House.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER bad little-
to add, after the clear statement from the Chair.
He had certainly- felt disposed to withdraw his
motion, and thought it better that no notice
should be taken of it, which be also considered
to have been the feeling of the House.
Mr. Posrsotiny meant not in the slightest de-
gree to ascribe any blame to the Speaker, hot
there appeared to have been sonic -mismler-
standing. There was a general assent to the
withdrawing of the motion, hut it was not the
understanding of hiinselt and of many others that
it was not to be entered upon, the Journals. At
present the Journals contained an imperfect re-
presentation of the conduct of the House. -
Lord CASTLEREAGH saw nothing irregular, in
the proceedings. in either way the same result
was obtained.. A great object in withdrawing the
motion was to procure unanimity. The transac-
tion at present...o°ml fairly in the Journals. A
communication was made, the result of which
the house 'arrived at in its own way..
Mr. C. WYNN thought the House would have
lost its own dignity if it had proceeded on the
communication. He should prefer that the with-
drawing. of the communication was • noticed, to
show that the Hotise did not think fit to proceed
upon it.
Mr. CANNING said, nobody could
,mistake the
fact, that no proceeding took place on the Mes-
sage ; but that on the'next day the House took
up the business itself:. Whatever jealousy might
be entertained respecting Parliamentary forms, he
thought that expressive silence answered, every
.purpose. He had great objections to going back
to the matter. •• • •

Mr. Po: SONBY saw no difficulty in in akinq the
entry: if it was right to do so at first, it. was
right still to do so.
Mr. C, WY Nil said, that the question shan't be,
whether notice should be taken, or else whether
the original Message should be expunged trout the
Journals or not

Mr. BANas did not perceive sttelf irregularity.
He believed that on a division there would have
been a majority for the original Message ; but he,
fur one; wished' for unanimity. The Message
from the Crown cante first, and there was no re-
gular withdraWlig of the motion. The whole
matter was, that time House chose. to proceed in
its own way, and not by the Message.
Sir Cuines MoNeK believedrthere was not ten
Members 'in the House who -did tint blame the
first proceeding. The Votes were to bestipposed
matte up regularly. It was said it was now too
late ; but by the insertion 'the whole proceeding
would 'appear more clearly, and for future advan-
tage. Minisiers appeared- to wish to have; their
mistake suppressed in the Journals.
The CHAI3CIU.LOIt of the Excnell'ulm observ-
ed, that there was no question before the House.
Mr. C. WYtitt+t-said, it Avai too intitsti for the
Right Hon. Gentleman stTthat there was no
question before the House, wilco an lir egularity
,;,as the subject of conversation.
Lord PALitERST'ONT had attendee! to what passed
when the Chancellor of the .E.kelrepia withdrew
hia motion. It was suggested to that Right HoO.
Gentleman, that it wss most advisable that the
motions should not appear at 'all. His (Lord
P.'s) feeling at the litne.,was,- that this was for-
mally acquiesced in, as no tliSseut Wits'expressed.
With that iwpressiou he kft the House that
night.
•
Mr. Caottatt had a simitax,recollection, and had
toll a friend'of..his, that there was ri general ac-
quiescence that it should not appear at all.
Mr. PoNsoNnv said, there was a geneVil under-
standing certainly for withdrawing the m'oti'on :
but he would sOlemnly declare, that it never en-
tered his mind that the fact wai: not to he enter-
ed. 'He only desited to see it in tune Jonitnls
that the motion was withdrawn. Ile there
fore moved, that rit be entered on the, Jour-
tials of the 3d of June, to the followiq Ofeet
" Motion Made, that 'thi.Melsage. of the Pritiee
Regent be referred,olke.ic. anti that such motion
was withdrawn by consent of the Housei"
Lord CASTIARKAGR repeated, OM( he _tinder.
stood it to• be the, sense ot the House that the
matter should not appear.. ' -•-

Dr!.PHILLIM9RE it appeared thit
when the Chancellor of the Kachequ,er wished to
withdraw his motion, there was it.general " oo"
from the House. . :

Mr. Pot:lsmael/ believed the general. "no air..
plied to the adjournment of the cithate.--.The tno-
tiou was negatived 'without a division.

SALE. OF GAME.

Colonel Woon rose to move the irerond reeding
of the Dill for legtilizing the sale of Game, All

memblyi ace.mee,lObe.agreed it at it was &sit ablc7
to put an end to poitclking, This was one of the
main objects of this_ 13111 j,aita-he was sure that if,
he could persuade the House that this was its ob-
ject, that those who now opposed the Bill would
be its strenuous advocates. He then spoke at
some length to show that the effect of the Bill:
would be to put down poaching entirely. It was
his wish, as much as possibk, to encourage the
notion of game being private property. That
this was the principle sanctioned by the laws of
England, by:proved from the authority of Lord
Holt in the case of Sutton v. Moody, and also from
that of Lord-Kenyon in a more recent case. lie
was
,authorized to say, on the part of poulterers
and salesmen, that it made no difference to them
whether heavy penalties were enacted against the
sale of game, or whether it was legalized. It bad
.been objected to this Bill, that no gentleman would
choose to sell his game, even if the Bill were passed
into a law ; but he was sure this was a mistake.
At least, he could only say that he was autho-
rised by
,a Nobleman, whom no man could call
penurious, namely, Lord Anglesea, to say, that
if this Bill was passed, he would send his game
to the London market. lie moved that the Bill
be now read a second time.

bort! DEERHURsT opposed, the Bill.. He con-
tended, that if the Bill passed it would be impos-
sible to 'undersell poachers, and thiit it would
serve no other purpose 111/111 to encourage poach-
ing, and make game-keepers pilfer from their em-
ployers. Ile moved as MI Ain,rulment, that the
Bill be read a second time this day six months.
Mr. CURWEN would support this Bill or any
other measure tending to mitigate the cruelty and
impolicy of the Game Laws. But he wished the
Gentleman rather to withdraw the Bill for
this Session, .tot, in the next Session to move for
a' Committee to consider the Game. Laws, with the
View of making Game ptivate property.
Sir C. BURUPLL opposed the Bill. The Legis-
lature, with a view of putting an end to the rob-
,bing of rabbit warrens had legalized the sale of
rabbits, but still robberies of warrens were as
frequent as ever, lie therefore maintained that
it could not be expected this Bill would put au
end to poaching:

Mr. Wunr:apotrca wished. the House to•.allow
this Bill to be passed by way of experiment, and
'poke in favour of the proposal that game, should
be made private property.
Mr. BANltts, pin. was against the 13111, it was
beginning at the wrong end to legalize the sale
of game. In the first place, with a view to rune-
Borate the Game Laws, qualified persons ought to
be made liable for the purchzise of game.
Mr. Patisrox (►►s we understood) spoke shortly
in favour of the Bill.
After a few ,words from Sir John Sebright, Mr.
Gonlburn, and a Member wb-ose name we could
not learn,

Colonel Wool) said, that as he wished sincerely
well to the Bill, he*thought he could not do bet-
ter than withdraw laugh.)
The motion for the second reading of the Bill
was then withdrawn.
FINANCES OF THE COUNTRY.

CI!ANCELLoR of the 'EXCHEQUER was un-
derstood to give notice, that on Monday next he
should submit to the House a general,stateMent
of the Finances of the Country. He then moved
that the several Acts respectiug the Consolidated
Fund he referred to a Committee to-tuonow.
Agreed to.