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London, England, 1845-05-22 00:00:00

Group V.
(Continued from our Afternoon Edition.)
On the public being admitted, it was stated that the Committee
had decided against receiving evidence on the Sheffield :and Lin.
colnshire line.

Mr. Fowler was then re-examined as regarded the actual plan
laid down by the promoters of the Newark and Sheffield Railway.
He thought the mode of junction with the Midland Railway at
Chesterfield, as proposed by Mr. Gibbs, was very defecctive.
Mr. Maclean, C. E , had surveyed the line laid down by the pro-
moters, and he was decidedly of opinion that the line selected by
them was a very objectisnable one. The curves and gradients
were very objectionab-e. He had laid out another line,
which was greatly preferable, and would save in distance
at least I mile and 38 chains. By his amended line the train on
the Newark and Sheffield Line would be seen from the Midland
Line at two miles distance. By the promoters line it could only be
seen at a distance of a quarter of a mile. His curves were better
and his gradients less otiectionable. His:amended line had met
the approbation of the Duke of Devonshire's agent, Mr. Currie,
as it passed the avenue of Hardwick Park by a tunnel, and
could not, therefore, by any possibility, be seen from the mansion_
house or the grounds. His line would present less engineering
difficulties than the other, it would give greater facility to the coal
traffic, and would be less expensive than the other.
Mr. Walker, civil engineer, had gone over the line of country
which was to be the scene of this railway project, and he decidedly
thought that Mr. Maclean's line was a better one. He thought
there could be no question that it was superior, as it was a mile and
a half shorter, and seventy-seven feet lower in the summit level.
At four, the Committee adjourned till to. morrow.

Group X.
LONDON AND YORK LINE.
(Continued from our Afternoon Edition.)
Mr. John Boys, cross-examined—Did not include any town
south of Huntingdon. _ _

To Mr. Comma-NE—The London and York agents told witness
what towns to select.—(Laughter.) The London and York line
from Manchester to Norwich would oblige passengers to pass

:brough three diffeient companies.

Mr. Samuel Jackson, of Boston, had been many years in busi-
ness in the manufacture of steel and iron. There was a good deal
of goods sent from Sheffield to the east and north of Lincolnshire.
The proposed London and York line would facilitate that inter-
course, and the expense of carriage would be materially lessened.
Within the last few days the freight of goods from Sheffield to Hull
had been reduced to 9s. per ton.
Cross-examined—The converting coal, a quantity of which was
consumed in Sheffield, was brought from near Elseter.
Mr. Ash, eorn.factor, tit Wakefield, deposed that the greater
part of the corn brought to that town came from Lincolnshire and
Norfolk. Is of opinion that all the corn sent from Lincolnshire to
Wakefield would be sent by the Londe n and York line.

A machine was then produced, by which a record was kept of
all persons passing on the railroad between London and Birming-
ham, and that a similar return could be made on the proposed line.
Mr. Becket Dennison, M.P. for the West Riding of York-
shire, deposed as to the agreement entered into between the pro.
posed Company and the Fordyke and Witham Navigation Com-
panies.

Mr. DARBY, Member of the Committee, asked the witness some
questions resree.ting the nature of the agreement, when he was
interrupted by

Mr. BARING WALL, another Member of the Committee, who
said he objected to the witnesses being interrupted in this way
while in the hands of ConnFel,
Mr. DARBY said he conceived the evidence to be irregular, and
would take the sense of the Committee as to whether such evidence
should be given.

Mr. PAGET said he would give up the questions.
The room was then cleared, and after an absence of about twenty
minutes the parties were admitted, and
The CHAIRMAN said the Committee had agreed agreed not to
admit irrelevant evidence, though they were very unwilling to
interrupt counsel, or not to afford them any facility. But this
was a very important case, and therefore the evi-
dence should be as direct as possible. On those grounds
the Committee would omit from their minutes whatever
portion of evidence they had taken that had an individual applica.
tion, and would only take that of a general character.
Mr. Dennison's examination was then resumed. He said the
agreement in question between the London and York Company
and the Fordyke and Witham Navigation Companies was entered
into with a view to the deduction of the tolls and the accommoda-
tion of the public.

Copies of the agreement were then handed in.
Witness continued to give evidence as to the facilities which the
proposed line would give for the transit of coals, and bringing the
Durham coal into competition with that of Yorkshire.
The Committee adjourned at half_past four o'clock.

Group N.
(Continued from our Afternoon Edition. )
The Learned Gentleman then went into detail respecting the
estimates of Captain M.
ern, C.E , and of Jr. Whitley, a sur-
veyor, for the construction of th., whole of the line, and to
the evidence of Mr. Brunel, and concluded by contending
that those estimates were deficient for its proper con-
struction with safety to the public and with economy; and that
the Committee could not report in favour of the proposition. He
called upon them to suspend their judgment until they had gone
inlo the Cornwall and South Devon.
The CHAIRMAN, after consulting with the other Hon. Membets,
said it might be as well to announce that the Committee would de-
fer their decision on the West Cornwall, until they had heard the
Cornwall.

Mr. Avs'rlN said a petition, bearing the seal of the Hayle Corn.
pany, would be presented to the House to.night, in the event of
there being a House. _ _

It was then agreed that Mr. Austin should open the Cornwall to.
morrow morning.

Group F.
(Continued from our Afternoon Edition.)
LONDON, WORCESTER, AND SOUTH STAFFORDSHIRE
RAILWAY.
Examination of Mr. Matthews, continued by Mr. KINGLAKE.—
The proposed Great Western line would open up some
most important mining districts in South Staffordshire,
by that line the coal owners of Staffordshire would not only be able
to compete with the Leicester district, which is an important place
for coal consumption, but they would be able also to send a
considerable quantity to the west end of London at a mo-
derate charge to the consumer. In witness's district there
were 15,370 tons of coals made up annually. Out of this
12,540 tons would go by the Oxford or Great Western line, and
only 2,830 tons by the London and Birmingham line. The charges
by the London and Birmingham line had be so high that it was
but little used by the iron and coal masters of Staffordshire, but
the moment.they saw the prospectus of the Great Western line they
offered to carry coals at Id. per ton.
The witness was briefly cross-examined, after which Dr. Har.
rington of Oxford was called, and the Committee adjourned till
twelve e'clock to-morrow.

TATTERSAU'S.-THIS EVENING.

Six o'CLocx.

DERBY.

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MPERIAL PARLIAMENT
(THIS EVENING.)

COMMONS.
At Four o'clock there or
notF
being 40 Members present,
.e House adjourned.

HOUSE OF LORDS.
Their Lordships met at Four o'clock.
Petitions against the grant to Maynooth were pre-
sented by the Earl of Harewood, the Archbishop of
Canterbury, the Bishop of Cashel, the Bishop of Glou-
cester, Lord Abinger, and Lord Ashburton.
Earl FITZ WILLIAM presented numerous petitions
from' places in Wales against intemperance.
THE PUBLIC MUSEUMS BILL.
On the motion of the Duke of BUCCEUCH the Public
Museums Bill was read a second time.
Tho Marquis of LANSDOWNE presented a petition
from the Presbyterians of Lancashire and Cheshire in
favour of the grant to Maynooth.

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length to be superior to any of the competing lines. It was
arranged that the engineering evidence should be gone into to.
morrow.—The Committee rose at four o'clock.

Group DD.
GLASGOW, DUMFRIES, AND CARLISLE RAILWAY.
(Continued from our Afternoon Edition.)
Mr. Pine, flax manufacturer at Aberdeen, said hist goods were
principally sent to Manchester and London, and also to other places,
and he considered the Hawick line would be the most convenient
for the transmission of his manufactures.
Sir Thomas Phillips called Mr. Reever, of the Post-office, at
Glasgow. He was of opinion that so far as post. office arrangements
were concerned, two lines would afford greater facilities than one,
especially as regarded the Hawick line. The proposed lines passed
through highly populous districts, and were important
en that account. Certginty in the conveyance of the
mails was very essential, and, in fact, preferable to an increased
speed without security in point of time. The districts in the neigh.
bourhood of the Hawick line possess a considerably larger cor-
respondence than the towns lying on the Caledonian line.
For the north of Scotland the nearest route from Edin-
burgh would be by way of Fife. lie considered
the mere shortening of the line from Dumfries to
Edinburgh was not of so great importance, as the making of the
Hawick
Mr. Reeves was then called, but his evidence was only locally
important.
The CHAIRMASe, at the conclusion of the examination of this
witness, stated that it was the intention of the Committee to give
their decision as to the merits of the competing companies, before
they entered on the consideration of tile Clydesdale Junction Rail-
way.

Mr. Gibbons, cattle salesman at Liverpool, was then called, and
said he had dealt extensively in cattle fur several years past. The
principal trade was obtained from Inverness and its neighbourhood,
and the cattle were disposed of in Cumberland, Lancashire, and
the northern pats of England. Considerable numbers were sent
from Liverpool to London. The cattle brought into Liverpool
travel to Carlisle, for the most part, on foot, and are conveyed
from thence to Liverpool by railw.y.
Mr. Miller was called to clear up a point on which the Committee
had some doubt. He said, that at a meeting in the Merchants'
Hall, at Edinburgh, it hat been publicly stated that it was not
intended to carry the line beyond Hawick, and it was always dis-
tinctly understood that it would terminate at that place. But subse-
quently it had been determined to continue the railway on to Carlisle,
The only reason that had induced the Edinburgh people to give
their sanction to the Caledonian scheme, was the promise which
had been held out to them of a plentiful supply of water.
Mr. AP-Adam, farmer, in Kirkcudbright said, that the average
number of cattle transmitted from the district of which he was cog-
nizant was about 19,000 annually, the value of which might be esti-
mated at 200,0001. He considered that from the advantages which the
Dumfries Railway would offer, he could afford to pay Id. per head
per mile extra for the transmission of the cattle to Edinburgh.
The Dumfries line was far preferable to the Caledonian. He was
distinctly of opinion that the fat and half fatted cattle would go
by railway, but the lean animals he thought would be
driven in order to afford facilities for feeding. The
expense of the present transit of cattle from Dumfries into
Norfolk averaged rom 20s. to 30s. per head, and he had no doubt
that to dealers would not object to make a sacrifice of a penny
per head per mile extra for the convenience of having them con-
veyed by railway, as by that means of transmission the beasts would
arrive in a better conditiod at their destined market, and realise
a larger profit.
The examination of the witnesses generally to-day was not of
theslightest public importance.
At the close of the depositions of the last mentioned witness the
Committee adjourned till half past eleven to-morrow.