The Sun.
London, England, 1821-12-05 00:00:00

STATE OF IRELAND.

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A Meeting upon this subject was held nester'
day at the Thatched House, St. James's-street'
There , were very few persons present.—Mr'
STERNE TIGRE moved, that Lord Darnley (I°
take the Chair. He was glad that the disgrace'
ful state of Iretand was about to attract the at'
tentiou of persons in England, notwithstandir4
the absence of many distinguished persons.--'
Lord DARNLEY, previous to taking the Chair,
said he was limited in point of time, nevertheless
he had deemed it his duty to attend, and Jo
therefore hoped that they would allow him to '
decline taking the Chair. lie understood the ob'
ject was to petition the King to convene Parlie
meat as early as possible, but from such course
he apprehended little advantage. Such was li'e
state of Ireland, it could not be remedied at once'
Ireland, that unfortunate cointry, had for cell'
tunes been under a system of mismanagemeotl
and it would require length of time to :Trued, 1
the evils which they all deplored.—There beia,
loud calls of " Chair, chair ! " Lord DAR NI.
took the Chair. 0. _

Mr. S. TIGHE then opened the business of the
meeting. His object was to have that inquiri
instituted which should make England acquaint'
ed with the real causes of the calamities that 110
afflicted Ireland. England was ignorant of then''
Some attributed them to lax Government ; others
to the exactions of landlords ; and others to the t
Orange system ; but all were wrong. The causes
were unknown ; he wished England to becoroe
acquainted with them. The alleged exactiaos,
of the landlords were founded in error; he cool'
assure them that, as a general ground of conv
plaint, they did not exist. The landlords °f
Ireland did not by any means draw so much frog'
their tenantry as the landlords'of England did Cr°',
[theirs ; there was nothing like the same proportion;
The charge respecting the collection of tithes 0"
as ill-founded ; undoubtedly a more agreeable
mode of collecting tithes might be adopted, morel
suitable to the meridian of Ireland ; but he denret
that the Clergy of Ireland collected those tithes in
an oppressive manner. As to the Magistracy, the:
had done their duty with ability and moderation
—the various ill-founded rumours on this sob;
ject were most prejudicial. With respect to o'll
causes of the calamities in Ireland, it was enouge
to know that Ireland was in a most dangerous stat
—a state that risked the tranquillity of the 1,3-'n;
pine. It was .a fit subject for the investigatio.'
of Parliament, and he therefore moved a l'etv
tjon to the King to convene Parliament as earlf
as possible, to see whether the evil could-10.e-
medied, Ireland, amidst its crimes, having escapes
ed the suspicion of disloyalty and disaffection to
the Government.—lle then.read the Petition.
A Gentleman read a speech, in which he Ile.
dared that the cause of all Ireland's calarnitie'
was over-taxation.
Mr. TIGHE repeatedly rose to order without
being heard at first ; at last he proceeded to (leo/
precate the entering upon so enlarged a view"
the subject.
Lord DARNLEY said, that whatever was calcv
lated to unfold the cause of the calamities con (I
not be deemed irrelevant, though be questioneir
the propriety of entering so fully upon the suet
ject. He must nevertheless say, that some ,)
the facts of the paper were but too true.—(lleac)
—The Gentleman then resumed, and proceed
to condemn the system of " middle-men." 'Pee(
must do something more than make a Barracl*r,
Ireland, before they would make Ireland bette,
—The Noble Chairman then called tit? Gentl,ee
man to order, lamenting that any thing 1,,
party feeling should chew itself.—The (ient,)e(l
man continued, and said, that he had sufferer
from the villanous system that was now in oPel.i,e
tion.—Another Gentleman moved, that nom
of the Gentleman's paper be read.—(A laugh.ie/
)0
The Gentleman, however, continued. The try
was, the Government of Ireland was too exl3,eo,
sive ; it was much too highly taxed; and tit,*
`ti
remedy was applied to that evil, the tranquial:
of Ireland could, not he restored.
Mr. WELLS spoke of the imperfect character. 'll4
the laws. The proximate causes of the evils vt.ee
the sending home of Irish labourers without pfl
viding for their subsistence, and tie low pricesi
the produce of the land. They were so low tbii
eo
the occupiers could not pay the rents which
'landlords were entitled to receive. Ile tb
read a series of Resolutions, proposing a l'et'tve
to Parliament, to forward the internal impohst
meat of Ireland, &c. He also proposed ti"o9
Committees be appointed to carry into effect
Resolutions. tfe/1
Mr. WATSON spoke to order. The queseile
was, should they petition the King to co Gen'
Parliament? .If they were to hear every uhijel
tleman's 'dissertation on causes and effects,

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must remain assembled till the meeting of Par-
liament.—(A laugh.)
Mr. WELLS said he would not press his reso-
lutions further; he should make them public in
another way. He was anxious that England
should be acquainted with the state of Ireland.
Another Gentleman read an amended Petition,
calling on the King to lay before Parliament an
account of Ireland.

Lord DARNLEY thought the question was,
-whether they should present any petition to the
King, praying him to convene Parliament ? As
to the conduct of persons in Ireland, he thought
nothing but a state of desperation could occasion it.
RicE,M. P., before the question was
put, begged to express his opinion against the
expediency of that Meeting. Its appearance
justified his impression. If it were necessary
to call together Parliament, did they think that
the Ministers were so much less than men, as
not to convene Parliament, should the difficul-
ties require it ? That Meeting was convened by
an anonymous paragraph, and that was establish-
ing a fatal precedent ; and his opinion agreed
with that of Sir J. Newport. He had no objec-
tion to discuss the question—but let it be dis-
cussed by open means; before, however, they
did any thing, let them pause as to the conse-
(luonce likely to result from their conduct. lie
had just returnetkrirot4-44icnerick, andl no map,
':who-hattdleart within his bosom, could witness
what he had seen without being deeply affected.
He begged them to pause, because, if they pro-
ceeded, they must do hartn.-L(Hear
—Lord DARNLEY said, what had fallen from the
lion. Gentleman he deemed to be most forcible,
but the only object of the meeting he ►teemed to
be, was to ascertain whether they ought to pe-
tition the King to convene Parliament or -not.
Under all the circumstances, he submitted whe-
ther it would not be better to adjourn the present
Meeting.—(Hear, hear! Move, move.)
Mr. TidHE explained respecting the adVertise-
:Thent ; had deemed it to be the general form.
Those who called the Meeting conceived the im-
portance of the subject was sufficient to induce
them to do so. Besides, a similar Meeting had
been held in Limerick, and a Petition was there
agreed to. Parliamentary interference was ne-
cessary ; at present military force was all that
was used to put down the dreadful calamities.—
'These views had induced him to come forward
en the present occasion.
Mr. Moussry agreed with what had fallen
from -.Gentlemen who had preceded him, as to
• the inespediency of this Meeting ; nevertheless,
lie was persuaded that without-Parliamentary
• interference, he had little hope of the improve-
ment cif Ireland. He moved, as an Amendment,
that this Meeting be adjourned to a future day,
such ,day of Meeting being notified with their
Noble Chairman's name.
Mr. RICE, sen. spoke against the interference
:of Gentlemen in England at the present moment,
.specially as there had been a change of the Irish
Ministers ; besides, Parliiiment was about to meet.
He was for adjournment sine die.
Colonel Tonamcs thought this Meeting had
been most properly called. He added, that
they, wanted information on the subject—of the
'7causes- `of —Thee'vils,' and of the remedies for
them. Those who were present certainly were
,somewhat impartial—they had not local preju-
dices to bias them.
Mr. MouNsEY said the subject was most im-
portant; innumerable houses had•been robbed of
their arms.
Mr. RICE said his neighbourhood had escaped ;
the outrages were not general.
After some further remarks from Mr. Tighe,
Lord Blesinton, &c. Lord Darnley put the
question of adjournment.
Lord BLEsiNToN did not see any good woul
‘lesult from adjournment, if they were to petitio
at all.

Mr. WATSON thought they ought to petition
the :King to adopt measures that were calculated
to ameliorate the condition of the people. Those
Irishmen who were there ought to be in Ireland;
he was sorry to see so many Irishmen at the
Meeting ; in their own country they would be
useful. There was danger—and they ought to
be at the post of danger.
The question of adjournment was then nega-
tived by a considerable majority.
Mr. BEECHER said, he thought Parliament
ought to be assembled, not because he desired
severe measures, but because he considered it
ought to investigate so important a matter. It
was then moved by him, that the King, consider-
ing the circumstances of Ireland, be petitioned to
convene Parliament forthwith.
This Resolution was then agreed to, and signed
by Lord Darnley ; after which the meeting ad-
journed.

CANTERBURY, DEC. 4.—The Guardians of the
Poor of this city, on Friday last, contracted for
the supply of the Workhouse with wheaten bread
for one month, at 54d. per gallon under the As-
size price Os. 9(1.), with a discount of U. in the
pound for prompt payment.—A distribution of
soup, twice a week, at a penny per quart to the
poor of Folkstone, has been recommenced, and
affords a very seasonable relief, more particu-
larly to the poor fishermen, to whom the herring
fishery this year has been very unproductive, and
who have been prevented, by the late galas, from
pursuing their usual avocations.
Thursday \V. StAuGturra, Esq. was unani-
mously elected Mayor of the Town and Port of
Sandwich, for the year ensuing.—On the same
day, ANTHONY JENNINGS, Esq. was re-elected
Mayor of the Town and Port of Ford wich.
We are happy to state that Mr. LownY, who
was wounded in the late affair with smugglers at
Sandgate, is sufficiently recovered to resume his
duty.—(Kentish Ga::ette.)
IMPURE WATER.— Owing to the continual
rains, every housekeeper finds a great inconve-
nience in the impurity of the water. To remedy
this, the following simple method is suggested :
Take a piece of alum, of the size of a nutmeg,
dissolve it in a little hot water, and pour it in a
pail of the impure water, and in a few hours the
filth will be precipitated to the bottom, and the
water at the top ‘vill be perfectly pure and free
from sal taste arising from alum,

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THE SUN.

SOLED[ QUIS DICERE FALSU.I AUDEAT ?

LONDON,
ITEDNESD.IF, DECE3IBER 5, 18`21.

We recommend the Report of the Agricultural
Meeting at Lewes to the serious attention of our
Readers. The state of the Agricultural Interest
is most deplorable indeed, and ought to be re-
medied. We intend taking up the consideration

of this important subject ; but must be content,
for the present, with referring to the long Report
whicl► we are enabled to publish of the proceed-
int► of the Lewes Meeting.

The Meeting yesterday of Gentlemen con-
nected with Ireland, passed Ott without any
thing either remarkable or important, except the'
Resolution to petition the KING for the imme-
diate assemblage of Parliament, to which the
Gentlemen who attended finally agreed. The
conversation which took place chiefly related to
the expediency or inexpediency of adjourning
the meeting, and to the propriety or impropriety
of any step whatever being entered upon by a
meeting which had been called by an anonymous
advertisement. All discussion on the causes of
the present disordered state of Ireland, and on
the best means of devising or applying a remedy,
was deemed out of order, and discouraged.

This morning Boston Papers, to the 11th of
November, have arrived, but they do not contain
any information of consequence.

CUSTOM DUTY ON STAVES.
Treasury Chambers, Nov. 6, 1821.

GENTLEME:K-With reference to your Report, I am com-
manded by the Lords Commissioners of his Majesty's Treasury
o acquaint you' that my Lords have directed the Commis-
sioners of Customs in Scotland to admit Staves of the growth
and production of the British Colonies and Plantations in Ame-
rica, not above 31 inches in thickness, on payment of the proper
duties as Staves ; and my Lords will cause the error in the Act
of Ist and 2d George IV., chapter 37, to be corrected in the en-
suing Session. (Signed) LUSIIINGTON.
To the Commissioners of Customs.

Removal of Wr NE for private use between England
and Ireland.

Treasury Chambers, Sept. 17, 1321.

GENTLTnIEN—I am commanded by the Lords Commis-
sioners of his Majesty's Treasury, to acquaint you that in all
cases of the removal of Wine, for private use, from Great Bri-
tain to Ireland, or vice versa, which may be intended to be
landed at an Out Port in either Country, my Lords desire that,
to prevent the delay which has hitherto taken place, the dupli-
cate permits,which are granted for the removal, with the neces-
sary certificate that no drawback has been received, may be for-
warded direct to the Collector andCompttoller at such Out Port,
instead of their being transmitted in the first instance to the
Commissioners of the Customs of the Country into which the
Wine is to be imported, pursuant to the order of the Board,of
the 24th July, 1818. C. ARBUTHNOT.
To the Commissioners of Customs.

Coati, Nov. 30.—Adruiral Lord CoLvILLE
has not as yet arrived, owing - to the westerly
winds, which have greatly prevailed.—The wea-
ther has been very unfavourable and wet for
some days past. . •

WEYMOUTH, DEC. 4.—The approach of his
Royal Highness the Duke of YORK was an-
nounced by the Royal Standard of England
being hoisted on the Tower of the Castle, a
salute of 2.1 guns from the Battery on the Lawn,
and with every other testimony of loyalty and re-
spect displayed ; and on Sunday afternoon, at six
o'clock, his Royal highness arrived at Lulworth-
Castle, on a visit to the Right Hon. Sir lt. PEEL.—
This distinguished Visitor was received in the
Grand Saloon by Mr. and Mrs. Peel, in a man-
ner becoming his high rank and dignity. At
seven o'clock his Royal Highness and a select
circle sat down to a most magnificent dinner.
The next morning his Royal. Highness and party
highly enjoyed the sports of the field. The pre-
served coppices, &c. for this occasion, furnished
air abundance of game ; and we are of opinion
that his Royal Highness will find the Manor of
Lulworth not inferior, for the amusement of
sporting over, to any in the Kingdom.—The in-
habitants of this town entertain the most eager
expectation that his Royal Highness will con-
descend to honour it with a visit, and to inspect
the improvements and numerous aditioal build-
ings which now adorn this delighdtfuln place of
fashionable resort.

The Princess AUGUSTA did not arrive in town
last Wednesday from abroad, as stated in most
Papers yesterday, and hastily' copied into THE
SUN. We stated the arrival of her Royal High-
ness in our Dover Letter yesterday.
Last night's Gazette contains copies of the
Loyal Addresses of the city of Edinburgh and
the town of Brighton, congratulating his MAJES-
TY on his return to this country.
Lord WHITWORTH, we are told, is likely to
succeed the Duke of MosmtosE, as Master of
the Horse.--(Morning Herald.)
The Lords of the Admiralty arrived last week
at Chatham, on their inspection of that Dock.
yard, and subsequently of Sheerness Dock-yard

FASHIONABLE AnnivAr.s.—General Knight, in Picca-
dilly ; Lord Gwydir, on the Terrace, in Piccadilly ; Captain
William Porter, to join the oth Dragoon Guards, now on their
march for Cork, Ireland ; the Misses Somerville, in Hill-
street ; Lady and Miss Neave, in Albemarle-street ; Sir .Tohn
Copley, Bart. in George-street, Hanover-square ; Mrs. Mal-
colm and Miss Macleod, in Portland-place ; the Rev. Edward
Picton, at the Grosvenor Hotel, from his scat in Wales ; Major
Thomas O'Neill, at ditto ; Captain Minchin, of the King's
Own Regiment, at ditto; Mr. O'Connell, at ditto, from Ireland;
John Wilmore, Esq. at ditto ; Lieut. Cumberley, 4th Dra-

goons, at ditto.
DEPARTUILES.—CoIoneI Bell, for the. Cape of Good Hope ;
Mr. and Mrs. Elton, for Brighton ; Mr. and Mrs. Gore, for
Bath ; Captain Nepean, for Weymouth ; Major and Mrs. Ita-
. venshaw, for Brighton.
CHANGES.—The Earl of Hopetoun, from a tour to Hope-
toun House, in Scotland ; Mr. and Mrs. Burgoyne, from Chel-
tenham, for Brighton ; Dlr. and Mrs. Welsh, for Brighton ;
Major and Mrs. Lloyd, from Cheltenham, for the New Cres-
cent, at Brighton. •

The Princess I.4..sterhazy, and family returned to Chandos-
-house on MOHlay evening front•itamSkato, for the season.
The Bishop of Salisbury has returned to Exeter, from his
visit to the Devonshire watering-places, and is now at the house
of his brother, Dr. Fisher, in the Cathedral-yard.
The Duke of Sussex gave a grand entertainment yesterday,
at Kensington Palace, to a select party:
Mr. Hylton Jolliffe's Ball will inspire more life in the coun-
ty of Surrey than has been seen for many a year.
Sir John and Lady Lambert entertained a large party of fa-
shionables on the 30th ult., at their housein Sidney-place, Cork,
at Which Captain Fitzclarence, with the accomplished Lady
Augusta Fitzclarence, were present. s
Mr. and Mrs. Coutts have returned to town from Brighton,
where they have passed the whole of the season.
The Duke of 'Newcastle is keeping up the festivities of the
table, at Clamber Park—his Grace has a dinner party this day.
Mr. Henry Garratt has quitted the Isle of Thanet, and
settled in a new house in Waterloo-place.
Mr. J. R. Bovell is expected to arrive at his house in Devon-
shire-street, Portland-place, about the 10th of the present
month, after an absence of nearly five years.
On Monday the Earl of Shaftesbury arrived at his house in
Grosvenor-square, from St. Giles's House, his seat in Dorset-
shire. Yesterday his Lordship again left town for his seat at
Richmond, Surrey, to join the Ladies Ashley, on their arrival
there from Dorsetshire.
On Thursday (29th ult.) a Gentleman and Lady (the latter
very young) passed through this city, in " breathless haste,"
for the well-known shrine at Gretna, where they were " made
one" in the usual summary way. The parties came from the
south, and carefully concealed their names ; but judging, from
' the very handsome suns (1001. we arc told) which the gallant
gave to the priest who performed the ceremony, the fair one is
no mean prize. Relays of horses had been ordered at the dif-
ferent inns before they came up ; and at Penrith, on Wednes-
day night, the post-boys slept in their boots and spurs, in order
that no time might be lost !—(Carlisle Patriot.)

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