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The vote was then agreed to, as were also 52,0501. for the
building of the British Museum ; 6,2171 for the Collections of
the British Museum ; and 1,500/. for defraying the expenses 1
of the National Gallery. -
8,5501. was proposed for the Museum of Economic Geology
in Dublin.
Mr. HAMILTON e mgratulated the House upon the gen-
tleman who had been appointed to superintend this institution.
Fir. M. J. O'CONNELL said he fully concurred in the ob.
servations of the Hon. Member opposite.
The vote was then agreed to.
5,8391. for the observations at the Cape of Good Hope and
Van Dieman's Land was next agreed to.
The House then resumed.
JOINT-STOCK COMPANY'S BILL.
This Bill was read a third time and passed.
THE GAMES AND WAGERS BILL,
Mr. HAWES presented a petition from the licensed vic-
tuallers against this Bill.
The Bill was adjourned till Monday.
SLAVE TRADE (BRAZIL) BILL.
Sirß. PEEL said, that in 1836, Brazil entered into an
agreement with this country to declare that the slave-trade
should be abolished, and that all vessels detected in that trade
after that time and taken, should be declared guilty of an act
of piracy.
Sir. HUTT did not think that the means proposed by the
Bill were sufficient for the purposes for which it was intended.
After some discussion the Bill was read a second time, and
ordered to be committed on Monday next.
The Municipal Districts (Ireland) Bill was read a second

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considerable pl uner, bad notsquandered it, and had shown
themselves Ike frid s
ends of the people whom they had con-
mere& This was the testimony of one of the mernhers of
the Governtree at, and he would call the attention f Honour-
able Membe'e 3 to it. They had been regularly in the habit of
allowing the aerlian army not only batta, but also that which
they took eiertt stroyed while engaged in warfare. Would they
treat the arms.y of China wore than that of India, or would
they deprive thw array of Sinde of that bounty hit• erto awarded
the armies of India for successful warfare ? S here ought to
be no such dis Unction made. The Chinese army had been
engaged in lon tg and arduous warfare, and had carried out
some of the rn, sot brilliant achievements that ever had been
accomplished 1 sy British arms. The Gallant Member then
went into a sk etch of the war in China, detailing some of the
most remarkable victories of the campaign, and the sufferings
and fatigue to which the naval and land forces had been sub-
jected. The Von. Member then read a letter from Captain
Grey, detailing the sufferings of the men during the year
1840. Now, there were men who were for voting to make
their way into the interior of China, with the evidence of this
mortality before them. When they bad their prize money
they might have effected this, if they had been sure of it.
But paltry as that was—and he would tell them what it was—
the superior officers had from 100/. to 200/., and the petty
officers had 41. If the latter had been employed in the
dockyards, instead of being engaged in China, they would
have received one-third more than they would receive for
their services in that country. Sorely
.this was the hardest
ease that ever was. Supposing that a poor widow had two sons
engaged in this no-war, what would be her
feeling—supposing these two sons were killed in the service of
their country—when she went to receive their prize-money, and
was tendered 4/. for each—each of her children? Why, it
was said that the navy was discouraged—that no man would
enter into the service; but if men were well paid there would
be no such hesitation. But the moment men had earned their
prize-money, as in this ease, in stepped the Chancellor of the
Exchequer, and said that they had already received a donation
in batta. He had gone thus far in endeavouring to assert the
rights of those deserving men, and in doing so contended that
he looked only for their rights • and no Member of that House
could deny that they were the just and fair rights of these
men. Could the House refuse what these men asked, when
they remembered how others had been rewarded for their ser-
vices? Look at Lord Exmouth ; he got 100,000/. for
the taking of a place which he did not keep
five minutes. He did not mean to say that that reward was
not well deserved; but he denied that those men who had
served in China were not as brave and as determined, and as
humane, as any soldiers in the British army.—( Hear, hear.)
Sir Hugh Gough and Sir Wm. Parker had been rewarded for
their services, and no Member of that House could stand up and
say they had not earned it ; but surely if the services they had
rendered their country were deserving of such reward, that was
a still stronger argument in favour of those men whose cause he
advocated, and who had received but 41. each.—( Hear, hear.)
He feared he was but a weak advocate in the cause of those
whose rights he had undertaken to defend ; but he di 1 hope
that the House would acknowledge the justice of ti a 1 cause,
and that it would accede to his motion, which was but an act of
simple justice. If the House refused to reward men who had
fought so hardly, he could tell the Government that they could
hold out no inducement to men to enter the service, and they
would give the greatest blow to the British navy that it could

originally proposed had been awarded. He thought
that the present motion was perfectly justiCable. There were
feelings of duty which might sometimes overawe the libe,al
feelings of the Government ; but he could assure the Rigtt
Hon. Gentleman opposite that the Ministry heti not exercised
the liberality of the Crown to a sufficient extent. It was all
very well to say that sailors and soldiers were led to acts of
bravery out of pure patriotism ; at the same time there was
no doubt that the expectation of prize-money added a very
great zeal to their actions, and they looked forward to it as
their particular reward. There were certain instances of
suffering and severity of service which were not rewarded by
prize-money—such as disease in a foreign climate. But
when in actual battle the sailor or soldier exerted himself,
he did consider that he was entitled to some remuneration.
The Crown had admitted that in this case there existed an
actual right to remuneration. The Chancellor of the Ex-
chequer bad explained that batta was employed as a reward
because part of the forces employed were engaged in the Indian
service. But if he was not mistaken, in the ease of Rangoon,
where Indian troops had been employed, batta prize-money
also had been given. In the present case sufficient remune-
ration had not been given. The payment of the petty officers,
as compared with those paid after the battle of Navarino, had
been small. It had been one instruction to the officer in com-
mand to keep the junks in port, but they were found so nume-
rous that there was nothing to be done with them after they
had been taken, and therefore their value could not be added to
the prise-money of the force. The original instructions of the
Government were, that the value of the opium was to be
ascertained, the debt of the Hong merchants to be found out,
and the expenses of the war, to be sent into the
Chinese Government for defraying. Sir Henry Pottinger sug-
gested that he should demand one round sum for all these
items. He proposed 5,000,0001., and he ( Lord Palmerston)
approved of it. The sum which was obtained was not pro-
portioned to the expenses of the war when the treaty was
signed. If the Government accepted a sum, although some-
what short of the sum originally demanded, it was no answer
to the demand of His Hon. Friend for sufficient remuneration
for the forces employed. The sum of 420,0001. was large,
but sums were large or small according to the object for which
they might be employed. He believed that Lord Stanley
wrote a letter in January, 1843, in which he said, that al-
though the reward for services of this nature would be reserved,
great evil arose from the too frequent interference of this House
on matters of this kind. The great moral effect which had been
promoted in the Chinese empire had arisen from the good re-
gulation and order of the military and navy employer'. This
war had led to great commercial advantages, and it did seem
to him that the Government would be justified in making some
extra allowance. He thought that the Government were
making a niggardly allowance, and, from experience, he would
say that it was the best way, in every case, to
give a fair and liberal allowance for services rendered.
There was in the public of this empire a generous feeling to do
ample justice to all who had well served their country. They
opposed a wasteful expenditure of the public money, but they
were not niggardly towards those who had done the State good
service. He hoped the subject would command the most seri-
ous attention of the Government.
Captain HARRIS said that no doubt the duty imposed was
a most unerateful one, when questions of this kind were consi-
dered. As a justification of the conduct of the Government
at the close of the Chinese war, in withholding due reward to the
troops that had been engaged in it, he might state that at that
time there was a deficiency of 2,000,0001. in the Exchequer.
At the present time there was a surplus, and he hoped the Go-
vernment would now take the claims of these men into their
serious consideration.
Captain PLUMRIDGE briefly defended the officers who
had been engaged in the Chinese war, from the attacks which,
he alleged, had been made upon them, in reference to the
prize money.
Sir J. DUKE deplored the mercenary character which had
been attributed to the troops and seamen who had been en-
gaged in the war, by several Gallant Officers who had taken
part in the debate. He believed that the forces of this country
required no such stimulus to action. He had bees in the ser-
vice himself, and stood and fought by Lord Exmouth, and he
always found the glory and honour of England sufficient to en-
courage the seamen to do their duty.—( Hear, hear.) He would
oppose the motion.
The gallery was then cleared for a division, and the House
divided, when there appeared—
For Captain Berkeley's motion
Against it 6B
Majority against the motion —4l
IRISH CHURCH PROPERTY.
Mr. EVELYN DENISON proceeded to call the attention
of the House to the management and disposal of that part of the
property of the Irish Church vested in the hands of the Irish
Ecclesiastical Commissioners.
Sir THOMAS FREMANTLE was not prepared to give
any snswer beyond the fact that the funds which had passed
into the hands of the Irish Church Commission had been ap-
plied in the most unobjectionable manner. To satisfy Hon.
Members, however, he had no objection that further inquiry
should be made as to the particular manner in which the money
raised had been applied.
Mr. HENLEY said that some years ago the church pro-
perty was stated to be at a certain amount, but since then,
some how or other, it had nearly all disappeared. The party
opposite had put their hands upon it, and it vanished ; and he
feared what remained would disappear in the same way.
Lord BERN MID said he could speak from personal expe-
rience that many of the churches of the coanty in which he re-
sided were in a most disgraceful state ; and he also knew that
in that united diocese, Divine service was performed in school.
houses for want of churches.
Mr. M. J. O'CONNELL said there were so many discre-
pancies as to the result of the sale of the reversions of the church
lands that had been sold, that he did think the matter should
be altogether revised. But, unfortunately, from the manner in
which such things were managed in Ireland, he could expect
no other result, at least as regarded the arrangement of church
property in Ireland.
Sir T. FREMANTLE begged to assure Hon. Members
opposite that, so far from this matter having been regarded
with indifference in Ireland, he could assure Hon. Members
that it had been regarded with very great anxiety. He wished
to make this observation before the discussion on the question
closed.
Mr. GROGAN said, he knew of an instance of a church
in the neighbourhood of Dublin having been taken down, under
the impression that it would be rebuilt ; but though the church
had been down for the last six years, up to this day it had
never been rebuilt.
The House then went into Committee of Supply.
On 32,300/. being proposed for law expenses,
Mr. WILLIAMS said that he should wish to know why
there should be seven lawyers connected with any Bill ? He
thought also that their salaries were much too high. He
wished tat know what their duties were to be.
Mr. CARDWELL said that when their responsibilities were
understood by the Honourable Gentleman, he would not think
that their remuneration was too great.
The vote was then carried.
The sum of 3 ),000/. ,as then proposed to defray the salaries
of the officers connected with the Insolvent Debtor's Court.
The vote was agreed to.
The sum of 1800/. was proposed for the expenses incurred
by the reform of juvenile offenders in the Isle of Wight.
Agreed to.
The next vote was for a grant of a sum not less than 16,0001.
nor more than 18,000/. for the expenses of the Model Prison at
Pentonville.
Mr. WILLIAMS complained of the excessive charge of the
maintenance of the prisoners, which amounted to 331. per head
per annum.
Sir JAMES GRAHAM said that the Hon. Member was
mistaken ; the expense was no more than three shillings per
head per week, and not only had there been a great improve-
ment in the eventual effects of punishment, but in point of
economy the public had gained considerably. The expense of
maintaining the prisoners was far less than that of transporta-
tion, and the convicts came out of prison much improved and
better members of society.
Mr. WILLIAMS had no objection that the morals of the
prisoners should be attended to, but he questioned the pro.
priety of giving them such trades as shoemakers, &c. He
considered that it would be much better to teach them agricul-
tural occupations.
Mr. HINDLEY wished to know what was the amount of
salary received by the chaplain and medical officer ?
Mr. CA RD WELL said that the chaplain received 4001
per year ; the assistant chaplain 2001. ; the medical officer
3001. ; and the resident surgeon leo/.
Mr. HINDLEY thought this monstrous.—( A laugh.) At
that rate the chaplain had 11. a head for every inmate.
After a few words from Mr. Hawes, Mr. Ewart, Sir James
Graham, and Mr. Wakley, the vote was agreed to.
28,1181. was proposed to defray the expenses of Milbank
Penitentiary. •
Mr. WILLIAMS objected to this vote, unless an explana-
tion were given of the sum exceeding the amount acceded last

ime.
The Land Revenue Act Amendment Bill was read a third

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time and passed.
Tho report on the Bonded Corn Bill was ordered to be re-
ceived, after some objeotions made by Nlr. Hutt, in conse-
quence of the lateness of the hour, as he had been many nights
watching the Bill, which was neither a pleasant nor a healthful
occupation.
The report on the Excise Duties on Spirits (Channel
Islands) Bill was received.
The Drainage (Ireland) Bill was read a third time and passed.
The Merchant Seamen Bill was, after some discussion, read
a third time, and passed.
The other orders of the day were then disposed of, and the
House adjourned at half-past two o'clock.

PARLIAMENTARY DIVISIONS.

From the Votes and Proceedings of the House of Comma.)
FRIDAY, JULY 18.

SUPPLY.

Order for Committee read ; Motion made, and Question proposed,
" That Mr. Speaker do now leave the Chair :"—Amendment pro
posed, to leave out from the word " That" to the end of the Question,
in order to add the words " this House wilt, upon Wednesday, the
231 day of this instant July, resolve itself into a Committee, for the
purpose of considering the propriety of an Address to her Majesty,
humbly requesting that she will be graciously pleased to take into
consideration the claims for further pecuniary recompense of the
Officers, Seamen, Soldiers, and Marines engaged in the operations
against the Chinese Empire, in the years 1840, 1841, and 1842," in-
stead thereof; --Question put, " That the words proposed to be left
out stand part of the Question." The House divided :
MAJORITY—AYES, 68.
Antrobus, Edmund Ewart, William Lockhart, William
Arkwright, George Fielden, John Mackenzie, T.
Baird, W. Fitzroy Henry Mackenzie, W. F.
Barkly, H. Flower, Sir James M`Neill, Dencan
Baring, W. B. Forman, T. S. .Masterinan, John
Benbow, John Forster, Matthew Mundy, E. M.
Bernard, Viscount Fremantle, Sir T. Nichol', John
Botdeld, Beriali Gaskell, J. M. Peel, Sir R.
Bowles, Admiral Gordon, Captain I'eel, Jonathan
Broadley, Henry Goulburn, Itenry Pringle, Alexander
Bruce, Lord E. Graham, Sir J. Rashlelgh, W.
Buckley, Edmund Greene, Thomas Scott, Francis
Cardwell, Edward Grogan, Edward Smith, T. B. C.
Chute, W. L. W. Raiford, Sir H. Somerset, Lord G.
Clerk, Sir G. Hamilton, Lord C. Sutton, H. M.
Cockburn, Sir G. Henley, J. W. Tennent, J. E.
Collett, W. B. Herbert, Sidney Trend', Sir F. W.
Corry, Henry Hope, Charles Trevor, G. It.
Crawford, W. S. Howard, P. 11. Wellesley, Lord C.
Cripps, W. Hughes, W. B. Williams, William
Darner, Colonel Hutt, William
Darby, George Jermyn, Earl TELLEB.7.
Dickinson, F. 11. Kemble, Henry Young, John
Douglas, Sir IL Lennox, Lord A. Baring, Henry

receive.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that in
rising to oppose the motion he trusted the House would not
believe that he meant to deny the bravery, or zeal, or humanity
of those who fought in China. But he begged to remind the
Hon. and Gallant Member that the power of conferring re-
wards of this sort had always been most jealously reserved to
the Crown. He had stated, on a former occasion, that it was
laid down at the outset of those operations that they were un-
dertaken for the purpose of enforcing compensation for monies
taken from British subjects, and of compelling the Chinese to
conform to the practice of civilised nations. But in order to give
a title to prize money, there must be a declaration of war, a
proclamation of the Crown granting prize money, and an Act
of Parliament determining the manner in which the prize
money should be distributed. If the principle now set up were
acceded to, it would involve this country in the greatest
difficulties whenever it should be found necessary to make
reprisals upon any foreign power. The Honourable Gen-
tleman had said that the grant in this case was a
niggardly one, and spoke of the quantity of prize money
as magnificent, whereas there was no prize at all.—( Hear. )
In fact, when Chinese vessels were taken and retained, appli-
cation was made to Sir H. Pottinger to appoint prize agents.
But he declared that the vessels were not captured as prizes,
but only to be detained until proper restitution should be made
hthfficee Chinese Government. Yet, in making recompence to
e ors and men for the services rendered, it was thought
right to have some regard to the value of the captures, which,
under other circumstances, would have been prizes. Accord-
ingly, 420,0001. was allotted, which the Hon. Gentleman con-
sidered far below the valise of the property captured. But, in
fact, it was more than the value. In Syria, and at Algiers,
the gratuities were far less than the value of the property cap-
tured. With respect to the distribution of the gratuity, he ad-
mitted that it had taken place in this case in a manner some-
what different from the regulated distribution of ordinary prize-
money. The principle of batta, which prevailed in Indian ser-
vice, was adopted ; because, under the circumstances, it would
hate been inconvenient, and pregnant with cause of dissatis-
faction to adopt any other principle. 'I he Hon. Gentleinan had
drawn the picture of a boy dying in the arms of victory, with
the hope that his prize-money would render the last days of an
aged parent comfortable. But the Hon. Gentleman ought to
know that he was holding out delusive expectations in such a
statement as that ; for he must know that a private soldier or
sailor could not expect to receive for his share any amount
which woulld enable him to leave his successors in independ-
ence.—( Hear, hear.) It was very well known that, in time of
war, it was impossible so to apportion the prizes that the most
deserving should be the best rewarded. He denied, there-
fore, that there was any ground of complaint in this ease.
420,000/. had been distributed ; and, in fact, the whole value
of the captures was no more than 117,0001. It was quite idle
to say that the compensation given by the Chinese Govern-
ment was to be regarded as prize.—( Hear.) It was a most
painful position for any man to be'placed in—a position to be
obliged to resist applications to the House for recompenee to
the most deserving members of the military and naval services.
—(Hear, hear.) Still he was compelled to resist applications
so groundless as the present. He could not think so badly as
the Hon. Gentleman opposite of the seamen and soldiers in
her Majesty's service, that they would have refused to do their
duty unless theywere certain of increased emolument—of a sudden
largess. He could say no more as to the amount of the re-
compence already given, than that it exceeded the amount of
the captures, that it would be received with satisfaction by the
officers, seamen, soldiers, and marines engaged in the opera-
tions against China, and that it would stimulate them, if any
stimulus were wanted, to equal gallantry on future services.
Sir C. NAPIER said that the Chancellor of the Exchequer
set out, as was usual when justice was going to be denied, by
reminding the House that this was a constitutional Gove-n-
-ment.—( Hear.) The Right Hors. Gentleman sail that there
was no war, and there coul,t be no prize money. But this was
not the case, for, in 1804, when four frigates were sent out to
watch the Spanish galleons, and succeeded in capturing them
as prizes, there was no declaration of war. The Chancellor of
the Exchequer must have a bad memory. for, only last year, he
stated, on the subject of the Danish claims, that the vessels
captured by Denmark were good prizes, because no war had
bsen declared, and now, he said that the Chinese junks were
not prizes because war had not been declared. Here
was a war for three years, a tedious, though not a very bloody
war, because they were contending with enemies not very well
acquainted with the science of arms, but a war in which much
danger and hardship was incurred, was now called by the
Chancellor of the Exchequer no war at all ! But what said the
Duke of Wellington? Why, in a speech in the House of
Lords, contracting the state of England in its services abroad,
he appealed to the war in Spain, in Affghanistan, and China,
and yet, forsooth, at this hour of the day, the Chancellor of the
Exchequer was to come down to the House and seriously state
that no war against China had been declared.—( Hear, hear. )
Let them look at other instances, and see what had been the
course previously adopted. At Navarino, an affair of one day,
60,000/. was given for prize-money to be di.tributed among
one ship of the line and four or five frigates, and that for an
a-' action of about three hours. At Algiers, for a work also of
a few hours, a very large sum was vi ted for prize. money; and,
though war was not then formally declared, the Secretary to the
Admiralty took care to prove that a war actually existed,
and accordingly received war pay. The petty officers received
at that period 171. each; for the six weeks affiir at Syria 13/.
was allotted ; while for the China war of three years 41. was
given for one year, and in all about 16/. was granted, because
they were told, after hard fighting during that prolonged
period, that war was not declared ! Why, if that assertion
were true, then were the English no better than pirates in
seizing the ships of the Chinese, and the Government no better
than deceivers in placarding Portsmouth, Plymouth, and the
other naval ports, with announcements that the fortunes of the
sailors who went out to China would be made by all the batta
they would receive.—(Hear, hear.) Why were they not told
honestly that they were to go and fight in a distant and foreign
war—that they would receive plenty of hard knocks, bit no
prize money.—( Hear, hear.) But, by the present system, the
petty officers, one of the most important classes in the ships,
and who were looked on by all as the chief instruments to sup-
press mutiny, were Treated in the same manner as boys. It was
all very wen to talk of the sailors fighting for honour and glory,
but no man would be found to accept war on such terms ;
every British sailer fought for his prize-money, not his glory—
( Oh, oh)—he did not mean glory in the way Honourable Gen-
tlemen opposite interpreted it, but he repeated, that while
British seamen fought for that honour which all men felt a
pride in receiving, yet if it were not for the hope of a fair and
more tangible reward, they would not fight at all. For these
reasons he should vote for the motion of his Gallant Friend near
him.—( Hear, hear.)
Mr. J. A. SMITH thanked the Gallant Commodore near
him for the ability and vigour with which he pleaded the sailor's
cause, and thought the latter had been the victims of the
special pleading of the Government.
Mr. H. BERKELEY thought there must be some gross
injustice committed on the sailors of this country, when 80,000
of them were to be found at the present moment serving in the
navy of America. Who was it but British sailors took the
Macedonia and the Java, and fought in a thou,and other ac •
parCtaopftatilnw
flo'rEcCesHeEmLoLoyeaddivnoctahteedchtihneeseelwaiamr
tions in the service of a foreign foe ?—( Hear.)
saenfd et
the
ennedveatli
that the officers and seamen were entitled to compensation, for
the property they had lost, and the diseases, from
feve r
and
other sources, which they had suffered in the inclement' c'imalt
of the country in which they had been employed. The ae
Bri-
tish seaman had been put on a lower level than the Indiansepoy by the mode of distribution of prize
money. 420,000/.
did appear a large sum as batta money to be distributed, but
it
it was not generally known how many had to participate• .
He considered that the Chancellor of the Exchequer had not
treated the motion of his Hun. Friend with suffieient courtesy.
Sir R. PEEL said he could not conceive anything more
dangerous or of evil tendency than the motion proposed by the
Hon. Gentleman opposite. If the House acted on the prin-
ciple of the Hon. Gentleman the presumption would be that
the Government had no duty to perform towards the country;
and it might almost be supposed that the Ministry had been
appropriating the money to their own private purposes. The
commercial community had more reason to complain than the
army or navy had. It was a most disagreeable duty for the
Ministry to refuse any of the claims ; and nothing was more
easy than for a public man to be liberal. N?coesne
whichhaaeen beets
more highly than he (Sir R. Peel) the servi
in China. olive lThe services which
rendered by the army and navy
had been rendered were of a most pecu
thanshould the
thd
try
to make an impression on the Chinese before taking possession
of the land, and preserve and protect the commercial interests
as far as possible. The sum to be obtained from the Chinese
was partly to be expended in discharge of the debts of the Hong
merchants. and the remainder to be applied to the disburse-
ot of the"expenses of the war. The sum that had been ac-
tually paid for remuneration of services
money. He would
of remuneration was 420,0001., which
was known by the name of batta"
con-
tend that the subject
ought to be left to the
ration for services of that nature
with which it would be discretion of the Crown's prerogative,
dangerous to interfere.
Mr. WILLIAMS thought that the speech of the Hon. and
Gallant Member had been
Ministry. He must say that completely answered by the
pressed to a division, would bee motion before the House, if a
After so liberal a reward as 420,0001. offered unwise proceedine.
the naval and mility services rendered, noet by the Crown forr'
further remuneration
ought to be made.
Lord PAL NIERSTON said the motion of his Honour-
able
and Gallant Friend was not without example. In
the case of Navarino a similar motion had been made,
and eventually a larger remuneration t,haq 13ad been

year.
Sir J. GRAH All said that the excess was caused by the ap-
pointment of inspectors of the Penitentiary, instead of unpaid
commissioners, and no one could d )übt that the addition of
2001. a year to the salary of each would ensure better officers.
Mr. 111NOLEY said he never had been in prisons ge-
nerally, but had been often in Milbank Penitentiary—( Loud
laughter)—and could testify to the admirable system adopted
there ; he wished, however, to ask the reason of the vote ex-
ceeding its predecessor, even after the sum allotted to the
inspectors.
Sir J. GRAHAM replied that the remaining sum was re-
quired for the purchase of books.
The vote with the folios ing were then agreed to :-
4,02 1. for criminal lunatics.
8,1721. for the prisons and prison hoards in Scotland.
12.810/. to defray the law expenses in Scotland
69,1091. to defray the expenses of criminal prosecutions and
other law charges in Ireland.
Oct the next vote, which was 33,0001. to defray the charges
of the Dublin police force,
Mr. HINDLEY complained that this vote had increased
annually.
After a short discussion the vote was agreed to ; as also
were 7,2671. for defraying the expenses of the convict depot
its Dublin ; 6,000/ for erecting a prison for criminal lunatics
in Dublin ; 62,3501. fur defraying the expenses of convict
hulks at home and abroad ; and 250.0001. for defraying the
expenses and superintendence of convicts in New South Wales.
Mr. WILLIAMS would like to know what description of
convicts they were that cost the public so large a sum.
Sir JAMES GRAHAM said the labour of convicts of the
worst class was mostly unproductive. Many of them worked
in chains. There was another class of convicts more indus-
trious and well-conducted, and which did not cost the country
so much.
Mr. EWART said the free people of Van Dieman's Land
were indignant at the mode in which that colony had been
treated, and which had disseminated the seeds of vice and
anarchy throughout that island. The inhabitants were now
preparing a petition against the rotation system, as it was called
—a system, in truth, of probationary vice.
Sir J. GRAHAM said, if the interests of the colony were
alone consulted, he could not say that the present system was a
good one, but it was quite plain they could not, in this country,
accommodate the 5,000 convicts who were, on an average,
annually transported, in the same manner as the prisoners in
the Pentonvioe prison, which was only capable of admitting
300 or thereabouts.
The vote was then agreed to.
75 0001. was next proposed to defray the expenses of public
education in Great Britain for 1845, which was postponed after
a short discussion.
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2,006!. was next proposed to defray the salaries of professors
in Oxford and Cambridge, which was agreed to.
4,5461. was proposed to be applied to the support of the Lon-
don U
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chemistry „a y
Professor Leibig on the subject, 'whohad stated that the
science of chemistry in this country was is a miserable con-
dition.

Sir R. PEEL considered that there was no necessity for
establishment of such a school, in addition to those already in
existence. In the Universities of London and Edinburgh
sufficient provision was made for giving efficient instruction
in the science.
The vote was then agreed to.
3001. Ina next proposed and agreed to for the Irish
Academy.
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Society.
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Belfastn Institution, but
after
52,3201. was next proposed to defray the expense of re-
building acct augmenting the Pritish Museum,

THE SUN, LONDON, SATURDAY_EVENING, JULY 19, 1845.

IRELAND

SALES BY AUCrJ

HALDON, ESSEX.—VALUABLE PROPERTY
exonerated from Land-tax (the greater part Freehold),

ESSEX, near MALDON.

ESSEX

SAME DISTANCE FROM CHELMSFORD.

Just published, Second Edition, price One Shilling,
ADEFENCE of the LANDLORDS of IRE
LAND, with Remarks on the Rclation b2twecii Lludlord
and Tenant, and a Postscript, containing en Extract from a Speech
of the Right Hon. the Earl of Devon raerring to the condition of

Ireland.
By W. W. SIMPSON, Member of the Royal Dublin Society.
John 011ivier, 59, Pall-mall, London; Slacken and Co., West-
moreland-street, Dublin ; and to be bad of all Booksellers.
(Extract from the Times of 9th November, 1844.)
" Mr. W. W. Simpson, the well-known and deservedly re-
spected auctioneer and land valuator, has recently published a
',atop!. let, entitled' A Defence of the Landlords of Ireland, with
remarks on the Relation between Landlord and Tenant.' The
Dublin Evening Packet, in reviewing this work, gives the following
character of its author Mr. Simpson, we scarcely need remind
our readers, is an Englishman of vast experience in matters re-
lating to the improvement and value of land in his own country. He
is, moreover, a gentleman of most comprehensive views, and pos-
sesses an understanding naturally strong, and a stock of practical
knowledge and sterling sense which falls to the lot'of very few per.
sons in his own or any other rank of life. With .the social condi.
tion of Ireland he has made it his business, almost as a matter of
necessity, to make himself thoroughly acquainted. He feels for her
wants, and has contributed as much perhaps as any man in his
time, to improve her resources, by encouraging the investment of
British capital in every department of Irish industry. Such a wit-
ness as this we therefore hold to be beyond the reach of suspicion on
the score either of interest or partiality, His testimony must be
regarded as invaluable, as it is unquestionably unimpeachable.' "

MR. W. W. SIMPSON has received instruc-
ticns from the Trustees under the Will of the late Henry
Coape, Esq., to OFFER for SALE by AUCTION, at the King's
Head Inn, Maldon, on MONDAY, July 21, at Three o'clock in the
afternoon, in Twenty Lots,
A highly valuable FREEHOLD and small part COPYHOLD
PROPERTY, consisting of several inclosures of exceeding fertile
pasture and arable land, and plots of building ground,
containing in the whole thirty.five acres, the larger por.
Lion of which immediately joins the flourishing, agreeably-
situated, and ancient borough town and port of Maldon, six
miles from the county town of Chelmsford and the Eastern
Counties Railway, added to which a branch line is contemplated
(and, no doubt, will be very shortly carried out) to Maldon,
the effect of which must be greatly to enhance the value
of property in Maldon and Dengie hundred, of which Maldon
may truly be designated the capital town. The lints are at present
let to Mr. W. Dawson, Mr. A. May, and Mr. Wade, highly respect-
able and opulent tenants; as accommodation fields, and from
their locality they must always command remunerative rents •f
great stability. This property is not only valuable viewed as ac-
commodation surface, but a large portion of it possesses frontages,
and building sites of a most eligible description.
♦lso three valuable inclosures of arable and wood land, contain-
ing 14 acres, situate in the parishes of Little Totham and Gold-
hanger, near the preceding property. _

The estate may be ♦iewed, and particulars, with plans annexed,
may be had of William Lawrence, Esq , solicitor, Maldon ; Messrs.
Teesdale, Symes, Weston, and Teesdale, solicitors, 31, Fenchurch.
street; at the place of sale; and of Mr. W. W. Simpson, 18,
Bucklersbury.

Valuable and most desirable FREEHOLD and part COPY HOLD
ESTATE, consisting of about 250 Acres of superior Arable
and Pasture Land, &c.
MR. W. W. SIMPSON has been directed by
the Trustees, under the will of the late Henry Coape, Esq.,
to OFFER by AUCTION, at the Mart, London, on WYDNIISDAY,
July 23, at Twelve o'Clock, that well-tenanted, deep.stapled, and
highly-cultivated ESTATE, exonerated from land tax, designated
Purleigh Barns, and Tobyes Farm. It comprises an excellent
farm-house and suitable agricultural buildings, all in a superior
state of repair, together with 250 acres of land, in a ring fence,
situate near the village of Latchingdon, and bounded by the high
road from Maldon through Dengie hundred. It is in the oc-
cupation of Mr. Themes Davey under an agreement for a lease
for 21 years from Michaelmas, 1844, at a reat of 3101. per annum.
The Maldon coach passes the farm daily to the port of Burnham, in
Dengie hundred. The estate possesses great advantages as to roads
and markets, and is conveniently situated as to water carriage.
The property may be viewed, and particulars, with plans an-
nexed, may be obtained on application to William Lawrence,
Esq., solicitor, Maldon ; Messrs. Teesdale, Symes, Weston, and
Teesdale, solicitors, 31, Fenchurch.street; at the Mart; and of
Mr. W. W. Simpson, 18, BuCklersbury.

ESSEX, near MALDON.
An important and ♦ery valuable ESTATE, containing 459
Acres of deep surfaced fertile Arable and superior Grazing Land.
MR. W. W. SIMPSON has the pleasure to an-
nounce that he has received instructions from the Trustees,
under the will of the late Henry Coape, Esq., to OFFER for SALE
by AUCTION, at the Mart, London, on WeDNESDAY, July 23, at
Twelve o'clock,
A valuable FREEHOLD ESTATE, exonerated from land-
tax, called Bodge Marsh Island Farm, situate in the parishes of
Latchingdon and Althorne, within five miles of the port of
Burnham. It comprises a convenient bailif's house, with
appropriate agricultural buildings, and 459 acres of highly produc.
tive Arable and Grazing Land. On this Estate the late Mr.
Coape several years since bored to a vast depth, and after a great
outlay he succeeded in obtaining in two instances a constantsupply
of fine fresh water, which rises on the surface, and has never failed
to give that abundant quantity which is so essential to the stock,
and without which they cannot thrive. This farm is in the occu.
pation of Mr. James Purkis, a highly respectable tenant, under a
lease for fourteen years, from Michaelmas, 1844, at a rent of
3152. per annum.

The property may be viewed, and particulars, with plans an-
nexed, may be obtained of William Lawrence, Esq., solicitor,
Maldon ; of Messrs. Teesdale, Spnes, Weston, and Teesdale.
solicitors, fl, Fenchurch-street ; at the Mart; and of Mr. W. W.
Simpson, 18, Bucklerebury.

SEVEN MILES FROM MALDON, AND ABOUT THE

A very desirable FARM, Freehold, and exonerated from Land-
tax, containing 176 Acres of superior Land.
MRR. NV. W. SIMPSON is instructed by the
Trustees under the will of the late Henry Coape,
Esq., to OFFER, by AUCTION, at the Mart, en WEDNESDLY,
July 23, at Twelve, an exeeedingly desirable FREEHOLD
FARM (a small part only being copyhold), exonerated from land-
tax, called" Plumes and West Wicks, in the parish of North Fam-
bridge. It includes a convenient farm-house with adequate agri-
cultural buildings, and 176 acres of very productive arable and
pasture land, lying in a ring fence, in the occupation of Mr.
Isaac Foster, a first_class tenant, and therefore in a high state of
cultivation ; on lease for an unexpired term of two years from
Michaelmas, 1844, at a rent of 1601. per annum. On the farm is
a wharf, which affords every facility for the shipment of corn and
landing manure.
The property may be viewed, and particulars, with plans an-
nexed, may be obtained of William Lawrence, Esq., solicitor,
Maldon ; Messrs. Teesdale, Symes, Weston, and Teesdale, solici-
tors, 31, Fenchurch-street ; at the Mart; and of Mr. W. W.
Simpson, 18, Bucklersbury.

ESSEX, twelve miles from Brentwood, which is about three-
quarters •f an hour's journey of the Metropolis.
Valuable FREEHOLD ESTATE, containing nearly 132 Acres
of powerful Grazing Land (exonerated from Land.tax, and the
Tithes favourably commuted).
w. W. SIMPSON has received instruc-
tions to OFFER for SALE by AUCTION, at the Mart,
ou WIWNESDAY, the 2.3 d of July next, Currey Marsh Farm,
A valuable FREEHOLD ESTATE, situate in the parish of
Stanford-le. Hope, in the county of Essex, distant about six miles
from Tilbury Fort (where a good market is lield), and six miles
from Grays, nine from the market.town of Billericay, and twelve
from Brentwood. It comprises nearly 132 acres of green marsh,
of an exceedingly productive and powerful description, and some
of the best on the Level, 106 acres of which are fine forcing
bullock and sheep-feeding surfaces, abundantly supplied with fine
fresh water throughout, in the driest seasons, which is of the
greatest importance to the stock grazing thereon. The remainder
consists of very superior salt marsh.
The property may be viewed, and particular., with plans an.
nexed, may be obtained, on application to Messrs. Hicks and Mar-
ris, Solicitors, 5, Gray's Inn-square; at the White Hart Inn,
Romford ; at the White Hart Ina, Brentwood ; at the Mart; and
of Mr. W. W. Simpson, 18, Bucklersbury,