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London, England, 1821-03-13 00:00:00

PARLIAMENT,

MOUSE OF LORDS, ALtncit 12.
Mr. Johnston presented Accounts respecting
Stationery, furnished to the public departments
in Ireland ; and 11r. Scott, Annual Accounts from
the Chamber of London. Ordered to lie upon
the Table.;--Hespecting the former,
The Earl of DARNLEY said, be would select
(the papers being eery voluminous) such parts of
them as bethought it necessary should be printed.
for'the use of (he House; •
PetitiOn's were presented by the Earl of Mac-
clesfield from the Owners and Occupiers of Land
of Chipping Norton, and another place, coin-
plakting Aglicultural Distress ; and by the
Earl of Itosslyn, from. the Burgesses and
Tionseholiiers of Kirkcaldy, complaining of
disircss,,- and expreSsing disapprobation of the
proceediii'gS against the Queen.—Ordered to lie
upon,the Table. •
• The;Lunatic Stock Transfer Bill, the Nova
ScOtia Trade Bill, and thi New South Wales
Duties Bill, wire read a second time.
WOOL DUTIES.

Lord CALTIIORPEI;Id Petitions from the
'Woollen INlanufacturers of Frome and Shepton
Mallet, complaining of the additional duty on Ft)-
reign Wool imparted. His Lordship stated, that
the Petitioners felt a serious injury to their ma-
nufacture, resulting from this tax, as it prevented
them from► working up certain description! of
English Wool, to which it was necessary to have
It description of Foreign. Wool, that could not
now he obtained at a reasonable price, on account
of the heavy duty. If these circumstances were
correctly stated, they presented a striking illus-
tration of the impolicy of sustaining the interests
of one class of individuals at the expence of
those of another. lie was aware that this subject
had been under the consideration of the Noble
Earl opposite, who was of opinion that no relief
could, under the circumstances, be given; but he
trusted that, if upon further consideration, the
Noble Earl should adopt a different view, he
would not hesitate at once.to grant that relief,
which Was so anxiously sought by the Petitioners ;
and it should also be taken into considera-
tion, that the aLTriculturists now felt that the
duty operated injuriously towards them, as it
impeded the sale of certain descriptions of their
Wool.

The Earl of Ltv,EarooL was desirous of saying
a few words upon the question to which •his No--
hle Friend had adverted. It was true that he
had had the subject under consideration, and
1-:ad given an opinion declining-any interference;
should he see any reason 'to alter that opinion,
undoubtedly he should not hesitate to avow it.
But it was right for him to state, that when the
impOsition of this duty was first under considera-
tion, he had offered to the Woollen Manufactu-
rers -that no further duty should be imposed, if
they would agree -to a free export of Woof. This
they declined toassent to, and it was then thought
right that-the Agriculturist,' who •was thus con-
fined to the home market for the sale of his Wool,.
should have that protection, by means of ..an ad-
litional duty on Foreign Wool, which was in so
runny instances granted to the Manufacturer. •
Lord CALTKORPE was aware of the considera-
tions mentioned by his Noble Friend ; but these
Petitioners complained 'of a peculiar hardship,
arisitig from the amount of the duty being the
fame upon all descriptions of Wool. Thus very
inferior Wool, worth only -ild.per lb., was liable
to the same Duty -as Wool. of a superior quality,
and therefore -the -Manufacturers were in a great
_measure precluded from obtaining it. He
thought if ,a-graduated scale of duty were intro-
duced upon five classes of Wool, the evil would,
is a .great.degree, be • obviated.—The Petitions
were ordered to' be referred to the-Committees on
Foreign Trade. - •
STATE OF IRELANI).----BANKS.

The Earl of lh.Esiirox" said, it was not his in-
tention now to press upon their Lordships the
consideration of the 'question of which he had
given notice, namely, to
.move for a Committee
on the State of Ireland. In not doing se, he was
actuated by several considerations. In the first
place, several Papers for which he had moved on
the 16th and 21st of Feb. were not yet present-
ed, and another Paper which had been. present-
ed, was not yet returned from the Printers.—
There were, however, other" Considerations ;
some of the queStions, which were materially
involved in any deliberation on the State of Ire-
land, being' now under discussion, and it was,
therefore, thought advisable, by several of his
Noble Friends; that' the question should not be
brought forward for the present. lie understood,
with regard to the agriculture of Ireland, that,
the Committee Of the other House, which was
Low_ sitting, intended to take-into_esonsideration,
the averages, which certainly was of great im-
portance to Ireland, as, from the mode of mak-
ing up, and the consequences that resulted from' it,
the agricul(urist, in Ireland was unable to pay
his rent,—from the low price of his produce ;
whilst the labouring poor, even with that -low
price of the necessaries of life, were scarcely able
to keep themselves from starving. Respecting
andther part of the subject, thelinportation into
this part of the empire of Irish "spirits, which
was so much obstructed, he understood it was
now under consideration by his Majesty's Go-
vernment. Respecting another most Material
branch or the' subject,_ he meant the Catholic
Wiestion, a Bill being now hr progress -in the
other House, which he trusted wOurd come up
to their Lordships; no dischssion could, of course,'
take- place at present On that point. Under
these and`other ctifisiderations, he declined, for
the present,
,bringiiig forward; his 'motion, and
shoWd therefore 'merely move that the Papers
ordered- on the 16th and 21st February be
ptesentedforthWitli.-Ordered, and also to dis-
charge the erder for summoning the Lords.
The Marquess of tAN,SDO w thought it right
to take this opportunity Of saying a few words
with reference to the state olthe circulation in
Ireland, in consequence Of the evils which had
arisen from 'the failure of a number of banks in
that part of the empire, which had so greatly di-
minished its public credit and circulating medium.
He put it to the Noble Earl opposite, whether

it would not be.highly expedient to repeal those
restrictions which at present prevented more than
a very limited number of persons from becoming
partners in 'any banking establishment, and, the
effect of which restrictions was to/ prevent per-
sons of real property from associating for the
purpose of carrying on such concerns. -To do
away these restrictions was the more essential in
Ireland, where, from the want of capital„and the
slender means of amassing it, persons could not
be found within the limited numbers to carry on
Banking Establishments with the requisite secu-
rity to the public. A striking exemplification of
this evil was to-be found at this moment in the
City of Cork, where lately three Banks existed,
one only of which, and that the smallest, had
survived the shock which bad swept away the
other two, along with so many others, in different
quarters. It must be evident, that this one
Bank of very limited means was very insufficient
for the Commerce of Cork ; but under the exist-
ing restrictions, it was impossible to find persons
who could adequately carry on any additional
Banks. To abolish those restrictions, would, he
was satisfied, do much to relieve that distiess
which was now so much felt in Ireland, from the
want of that circulating medium, which might be
furnished by Banks securely established. He
was aware, that to bring about such a change, it
would be necessary to have some correspondence
with the Bank of Ireland, but he could not ima-
gine that the Bank of Ireland would object to
such a measure. The absence of such restric-
tions in Scotland had been found highly benefi-
cial in Scotland, nor had the want of them pro-
duced in that part of the kingdom any evil
whatever.

The Earl of LuvraPoor. agreed that it would
be highly beneficial to abolish the restrictions
complained of, both in England and Ireland.
Banks might then be established upon the basis
of real property, by a number of persons, posses-
sed of property, associating together for that pur-
pose, and might thus extend great advantages to
the commercial, manufacturing, and agricultural
interests, without that fictitious credit which had
frequently proved so injuriouq, or that insecurity
which had produced-so many evils. The Noble
Marquis, however, must be aware that this change
could not be effected under the existing Charters
of the Banks of England and Ireland without their
consent. But when the time came for the renewal
of their Charters, or whenever an opportunity
offered, he certainly should be an advocate for
removing those restrictions which prevented the
establishment of Banks upon what he considered
the only efficient principle, nor could he conceive
it at all reasonable or just that Liverpool or Bris-
tol, or other great towns, should be deprived of
those means of establishing Banks, which would
be so advantageous to their commercial transac-
tions.

The Marquess of LANSDOWN observed, that a
proposition had been made to the Bank of Ireland,
to establish branch banks in the different great
towns of that country for the advantage of com-
merce, but which had been declined on the ground
that they could not adequately direct the machi-
nery of such banks at a distance from the home
concern. He could not, therefore, imagine that
the Bank of Ireland, having so declined, would
object to the removal of those restrictions, which
prevented the establishment of adequate banks in
those quarters where the Bank of Ireland had re-
fused to establish branch banks.

The Earl of LIVERPOOL said the Bank of Eng-
land had also refused to establish branch bank; ;
and he believed that the Bank of England and
the Bank of. Ireland were both right, so far as
regarded their own interests, in so refusing; but
whenever the time came for the renewal of their
Charters, it would form an additional reason for
refusing to grant them that monopoly which they
had hitherto enjoyed.
The Earl of LIMERICK expressed his satisfac-
tion at what had fallen from the Noble Marquess
and the Noble Earl on the subject of Banks, and
observed, that the law in Ireland respecting
Bankers was much severer than in England, with
reference to any estates of which• they were pos-
sessed, and this additional severity it would be,
he thought, well to get rid of.
The Earl of DARNLEY hoped his Noble
Friend (Lord Blesinton) had not abandoned his
motion respecting the state of Ireland, as he
(Lord Darnley) was certain that there was much
in the situation of Ireland which called for the
attention of Parliament. Whatever abuses existed
in the public departments of England were aggra-
vated,or, if he might use the expression,caricatured
in•the.public departments of Ireland : whilst the
revenue was collected at so enormous an expence,
that he might say, where any branch of the reve-
nue in England was collected at an expence of 10
per cent. the collection of it in Ireland cost 20 per
rent. These and mauy other abuses loudly called
for the interference of Parliament, and he hoped,
therefore, that his Noble Friend would not give
up his intention of bringing the subject under dis-
cussion.

The Earl of BLEsrsrox wished to ask what
was the amount of the unapplied surplus of the
500,0001. granted by Parliament in Exchequer
Bills for the relief of Ireland ; and whether there
would be any objectio❑ to lay before the House
an account of it, and also the correspondence
from different countries respecting the applica-
tion of it ?

The Earl of LIVERPOOL said he could not now
recollect the amount of the surplus,. but he had
no objection to its being laid before the House,
together with the correspondence alluded to by
the Noble Earl. Adjourned till to-morrow.(this
day). .

HOUSE OF COMMONS.

The SPEAKER took the Chair before 4 o'clock.

A person. from the office of the-Chamberlain of the City of
London, appeared at the Bar with an account of the payments
made 111011 t lily to the Chamberlain for a number of years, to-
gether with a statement of the receipts and expenditure on
aceonnt of the Orphans' Fund. The accounts wore ordered
to lie MI the table.

The Sheriffs of London presented a Petition from the Lord
Mayor, Aldermen, and Commons in Common Council assem-
bled, praying that they might he heard by their Counsel
against any alteration in the Act of the 22 Ch. 11. for restrain-
ing the building of wharfs between London Bridge and
certain distriets.—Ordered • to lie on the table and to be
printed.