The Sun.
London, England, 1845-02-12 00:00:00

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pete fie. new lines.—(Hear, tear.) Inds ed,
so aspresse
ea. he with the justice and (airneaa of this Irlso•
he felt convinced, when the subject. came to be fully t'"
sidered by the House, this would be the rule which theit,
would decide was the hese *. ad also iavoer °r
the Cenimittees en theseßills being limittes, say to hest;
fer the fewer their mnies/. were, tree better would theY
be enabled, withoese much difficulty, to arrive at A cur'
seientii ;us oiticlusien.
Mr. BA NEES—The lion. Member had argued in fa.-
veur of the principle of encouraging competition. I"r*
he (Mr. Banks) ceotend, c: that that would riot be 11 be's-
neticial course to adopt. ler it bad had the effect
checking riiiiway speculation in the county he tepee;
seated' In that county several prcipesitionsfor (titterer%
lines of railways had been put birward by distinct air
very powerful and wealthy bodies; but there were twenty
to one—or, indeed, he might say a much larger proPorth"
tion of the inhabitants of five that county in fur of l
South-Western Company's line.— (Hear, hear.) 111"
line was looked upon as one of the highest imporr ts/et
by the inhabitants of the county, because it psetled
pass through a part of the county having at present n-
other railroad, in which the existing roads were by no
s
means good. The land through which it was intended we
should pass was rich and fertile, and the inhabitants or
the district had not by any means the necessary faellitie,
of transit, either by land at water; while, on the othefd
hand, the line proposed by the other companY Passe
through a part of the county where the inhabitaiits wed
in the full erjoyeent of all those advantages e
therefore, the inhabitants of the south•western distria
had not only to look forward to gaining all those
tages, by getting this line of railroad. but also the elan
tiona.l one of a renewal of the traffic between 1-4"11
and Exeter; and furthermore, it was quite cle7d
that this would be the line by which the public iv° t
prefer to travel, while without it the people of that Pl:rci,
of' the county would in fact be to some extent isolat
One other fact in favour of the South-Western hae'' 5
preference to that of the Great Western, wso• ilia t-
;
distance of about 150 miles would be saved bY of
of
(Hear, hear.) He had heard it stated that the I 101;";
Trade had decided in favour of the Great Western ;
and that they had recommended a combination "ilee
two companies. If that were the fact, the conseque.ng
would be that the county Would get the worst been
line ; whereas the South-Western line would have All
an excellent coasting line, for it proposed to proeeel'ea
Exeter.—(Hear.) Ile did not state this as a far.
had come within his own knowledge ; but he had
-;eas
told that such was the case. With regard to the Oleo
mittee divulcing any ieformation upon the subjeet,re net
their report was published, he should say he aid net
think ant member of the Committee would do any ere
of the kind ; but it should be cted that there lvteleb
many. hands Virough which those reports passed...sof
as printers and (alit rs ; and though be would o'lo
!hat the latter were more capable of divulgineethat weeta
should not be made public tl.ati those in higher steass
) et, as the decisions of Cho Committee had t°
through many hands, great inury was the res,l,4aera
conclusion, he would only say that if the Great I.l,t'ices'
line should be ado in preference to the South -tit ;
tern, they could do nothing more, and should seeePe I
but he did hope tl,e latter would not oe lost sight v,„evs
Sir R. BE.EL did hope that the House would p°s'rent
corning to any decision upon the subset for the Pre; the
—(Hear, hear.) He hal no doubt but that many Rand
decisions of the Board of Trade were open to 11 old
fault with, and th ,t good and sufficient ground ass
be stated for doirg so—(1 leer, hear)—but 'twee
utterly impossil,le, he conceived, for the .1,00
yet
adopt tn
rselVerednecfientiet-iitvheilsy
buwh
jh,a.ett._o(oriresaer. they ose•
h" core
ing heard the statement of his lion. Friendille hate
only say that, if the Board of 'Freda could be shOwny if bs
come tie as inconsiderate or impolitic decision, rin„,eslg
could show that a better line for the county ge""„tais°
had been proposed than that said to have been sPrs
of, he felt assuied that that line would receive eferint
side ration and attention.—(Hear, hear.) It wilss 8511011/3
much upon the decision that the Board of Trot:Piot 0°
have arrived at on any particular line of railroan•ile
much depended, as on the statement they 01'1%0 de:
of the grounds upon which they had arrived at der
cisions„—(Hear, bear.) In fact, the value of th°)011).
sinus would entirely dept nd upon those grounds vie
felt cer ain that the board would show that thelout
not deserving of couch-venation —(Hear, hearq nebeesil
should be remembered that that Board had no opt
in office ; they were only appointed last 9esn'ileserte
were the mere creation of himself and his c-e.
That Board had been censured beeause of the'e'd tree
or decisions having got publicity at an itar°,l'he
He did think that a serious charge ; but, at ' 010,e
time, he would say that he conceived it most ell3e be vet
to public convenience that those reports sh„lhey
dared at as early a period as possible ; for, thea
over those decisions for two or three mon''''f 1)0'
would be then such an enormous accumulation 11.1104)( I°o
ness, that those reports would be much in(leA iiitheirto
gain publicity than by the course the Ward hiludlteu
adopted ; but he did think the Board hadthfieeselv:e
wise and, udicious course in reserving to es the
until the proper time had arrived, their reasonseot
deeisione they had come to ; while, had theY,„eabni,°o
whole a secret that time, it would have been '''be
likely to prove injurious. In two or three day,, t
would have the report of the Board, and that opte tbto
accompanied by a general statement of the grlteoceeo
had' led them to concur in those views with re,e'e
II
certain lines ; and until then, he did boi' judge
would postpone giving expression to its .10",, eel
(Hear, hear.) He did also, hope that the 11411Pgelle.e'l
not come- to a resolution to abandon We l, "'AP
principle upon which the Board had been se_abfh`d.
they had given it a fair trial, and were convin7i I Av-
perience that it was bad.—(Hear, hear.) f"-oeseil"ste
heard it stated that there were 240 lines of ill rete:,
he proposed. That was an enormous .pathnumbe;'nyis
had little doubt, when they came to be looked tad be
would be very considerably reduced ; but wereecabi-le
come down to 100, still the amount of labour,"o9oes'
very great.—.(Hear. hear.) His Noble Frienale; rot
had applied for the appointment of a C01103113107v
fore that could be granted, some reports of thewooo,of
Trade would be brought forward, and theY, when
it
found to form a material element in the disc whellet
that Committee.—(Hear.) The Committee' to a .`,l,
should be appointed, . would find it desirabbele wgealeco;,
some principle by -which they should that
—(hear, hear.) If the aletnbers of t pool
mittee should be confined to a °lle parcarf
say five or seven, and if they gave constant alleteer2,ol
attendance to the business before them, the °reef
sh. uld agree to, or dissent from the report °retool ,re
of Trade, he had no doubt the labour of the .....(11t4,00
would have great influence with the Houle' o'ol
by
1,
The Committee would find it necessar), per ere 01;,300
witnesses or-ought before them, to give evicie” col!'tieei
peculiarities, mid he could not see whyethttaoo.lthis
apply the principle adopted by eh•ctioo
0; 071'00'
to brench.--(Elear, hear.) But supP°sll r6ve ledge
Committee were appointed to consist of On? por fro
hers, from which those possessed of loeli halcupoo:
upon any particular line were to be ,e_plcicaingliejobli
giving evidence, and that the power of' the area,
line was to be transferred to the Cotnraittt":, 01/reeli
Lord might despair of this House everj°ll-girli;acht:
satisfactory on the subject.—(Hear.) e pagers
(lid not think that this House ought to tralheese).,ll.
( (Pa
power to a Committee, or any other boes;•"; he • tas
fact, if the Noble Lord's plan were adopt
pot less rail'
Pee.) would look upon it as nothing sa"re latlfled 0'
a total revolution of the law at present reCea b eir
road projects.—(Hear, hear.) The Nobler:000_4004
pressed a feer that parties would be likely wood 560
capital in foreign speculations ; thaltwal shoal of 111°
why the decisions of the Board of Tilt
i 01;
prompt as possible.—( !ear, hear.) e-woaluelet 1)10
Noble Lord, he (Sir R. Peel) conceived.'" this. of all
possible to adopt, for it would amount t_. toad, A
Government should ant new surveYur'c,otlan_ ati".
the lines proposed to begun in Englaild'lo'-ag °Fille;t!b;
Ireland. That operation would occupy k' sup
what would be . the effect of it 1.11" ea be° eenr
line from Waterford to Kilkenny ;thet had b el •
resat' 01
forward ; and would it not create the g topped line a
and confusion if that line was to be so, the
Government surveyor could have survel 111,01
(Hear, hear.) In like manner, wererstr)ubretWee.,oons.l.veespot°o:'
been going on for the last twelve or
be puta la 10
some of the lines in this country, t" fore 1 "Ness ;
or suspended until the House had laid be idea
Ke aid ai's
tb
versment engineers' report, for the pr°Yrj
fact, tantamount to that' ?—(Hear, e'eerin direr,
know what the effect would be upon t" omen4ll2
Government were to take up the rnana &ohoe aroaie
Lion of railroads.; but he very Inneeneottatr„ofeld t„
Government did adopt such a course, t's flow' ;:o
ab jail°, be the better for it.-e-Ifien°oo ei it
Government decide upon what was betweeneerer is
the best line P Suppose a line tO run the 0" twin 01
towns were proposed, how eouro._ guide
acquire local knowledge aufficient ebear,) „f thu,,o
coming to a judicious de&sion ? (liekai;;;oledgcoiti
it not be much better to rely upon titteeefore,:bt riot
who were on the spot, and who, Ile
coneelv
0011 t
give this information ?—(Hear.) from sailt e .010
and therefore he would say, it was. o._-(10'_,01011°
such information should be del:l_v these sPi.Tig, nor
They did not want to interfere 111
5e1,010.1.4 oetev
They gave speculators the peeferencee be cortvrticialli(i
ever, that certain preliminaries shouldbut more Psui? crisp i 3
the benefit of the public generally' By 010
ler the benefit of the poorer classe4* oscine eoar*,l"o,e° ed :er,
course they did nut di turb the oror.,..eee fie stela
ness. But what would be the case forr
suggestion of the Noble Lord theouTiel7o eve
own elho *
land ? Why the Government w ,I„l,osed 0140,ay Pof
with the magnitude of the labour 1"..r
Ingle 0" 0.0.1/0
and u
would
eberpeasussietdw. et for the su;gjudiel°,lo
"VibithbealgtlhhrutetsPinte;iitioltit
ibtiesni7d isib:oo;ecei
the Noble Lord, he thou
therefore, for the Governimitt to „hour „:$e
would propose was, that
,tni.:fraintiOn be owe
diately address themselves to
etio":ile be the 1301a40.1
Committee to consider allot, "
these rail". 3; sill :eat
of proceeding with respect a _ 41e, to W,_l. eg
would be necessary, howevela_rorrl of Treace, in eOTa;
coeld see the report of the 1.40.,,d adopt ,n_a Dot De
the general principles tvHch id Trail' be?,
to their conclusions. TLet 13J'three Yuri:
septa . the fl"t
decidedao ititopuobnttvvh.ehemnetrhites
rocipt,,liret
tatives of the two lines reported S'.ll- better tt';‘;l3.
Life
and make sp, eches,
had
were to the one which bed bse
surmise _ ,
Ito .OO
190 be 'Oaf° Unil •
to show h':wllrneeepted
hbo)zs' reed
of Trade. There might a • .he 00, • his 0. deers
the gentlemen connected with bet. roe
',per'"'
some influence with the GOVVrill. with ea! h, eereie
„selves(
the Hon. Wining. would agr,o,t'',.;iv:re :0" al Di 0
there
oarsnse.irttlioisnteNgSwhdOtil,l:l 1, e'en
11..
1!_e:,1
plree:lier!;o
meantime they should not
once peoeee era, tale
practice of the Hou-e. but. t.."i..elect C0011:40,)
consideration, hy means 01 a,:_
_tfleary "owl 1310todhi
mode, of t i.po big of these 131:110st•
eas
' Mr. BANKES exp!amed t
most benefit the comity with
'lle merely stated his opinion as -'l_3.?"leltreePehreeis.erille t °U.
ir