The Sun.
London, England, 1810-05-05 00:00:00

SPAIN.

A short conversation took place between Mr.
Sheridan and the Chnicellor of the Exchequer,. re-
lative to Papers which were moved for respcq;'.: g
the Campaign in Spain. It concluded by Air. She-
ridan's giving. notice .that, he would on Tucsd;ty
next move fof additional Papers on 'that subject,
CRIMINAL LAWS.
Sir S. ROMILLY said, he rose for the purpose of
moving tor a return of the males and females con- -
victed of .capital offences in England and Wales for
the last three years, the num* punished, and these
enlarged, not including
,those committed for forge:-v
and murder, as Abese.were crimes to which his Bid
bad no reference; was 'important, to know tile
fiO, as not less than 4000 had, been committed in
-one year. Without any reference to his Bill, he con-
ceived it necessary that the House should be in pos-
session:of the information, for the purpose of know •
ing the state of morality, ana the state of the po- -
lice of the country. Information, ht: understood,
on' the subject had been given by several Clerks of
Assize, and he was of opinion' that there Could -be -
no difficulty in obtaining it from the remainder. He
deplored that his Bill on the subject of sealing in
dwelling-houSes miscarried, but it did not appear
that the House was decidedly against it, a 4 it wag
lost only by a majority of two._ It did not appear to
him that it was thrown our on its merits, but-be-,
cause Gentletnen did not approve ot_ the doctrines
he advanced. It was therefore his intention, early
in the next Session, to move for leave to bring in' .
a siMilir Bill. He expressed his concern that the
subject should be considered a party question; and
complained of the thin attendance of Members,
when .the merits of the Bill were diteussed. It
could not be said. that the subject was of little ini-
'penance, as it Went to alter the Criminal' Law,
whereby the lives ,of 7 or' 800 individuals were in- -
volved. He concluded by Moving, -
• " That an hUmble Address be presented to his
Majesty, that hebe graciously pleased to order' to be
laid before the House a Returp of the Males and •'
Females committed to Gaol- in England and Wah.s,
dtirin the years t 807, 1808., and 1809; distinguish-
ing the crimes for which they were committed, dis-
tinguishing the number discharged by pros lama=
tion, and the number capitally convicted and ext.=
cute-.i."- •

Air. S( cretary RYDER! Said, he did' not rise to ob-
ject to the mot on; as he agreed h th,; fioe. and
Learned Gentleman that it was-proper to have evrl
possible information on the sutject, k.fer). pains

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, Je,q, taken ~to lay the returns heforo the
iluus in the most perfect state possible, but he
d.tu led much whether it was possible to procure
a ci,rtect rein n ut what his Honourable and Learned
Ffi,!tt,d r,-quired. It had been observed that there'
tor utrilotrany.of *opinion among several of the
:Nl,tub,:•rs on the. side of the House where he sat 3'
b,u surely tfie same observatioas would apply. to
1--arrit-A Gentleman and his friends ; but yet he
(Mu. der) denied ilidt it was made by any means
a party questittn.
EXCHANGE OF PRISONERS.

Til
ii Mr. SHARPE observed, that he had given notice
of a motion relative to a fiegociation for an exchange_
' •ot, prisoners with France; but as he understood this,
Was now on t00t,,, and that many exertions Were
mak-64, tlith hopes of success, for the present be
‘Otndrew it. ' - . . .
• Sir.-T. TURTON ag•eed in ' the necessity*, of .a.
• full attendance, which he hoped would be
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case when the Bill would bct brought forward a se-
Con , : ;
ti Mt',
The CHANCELLOR Of the EXCHEQUER Observed,
,that he'c,)uld not s,!e any ditficglty in the Hon.
Gentleman's having procured. a large attendance, in
1,1
1, - that case, those who opposed it would not be likely
:-,, to be in view; -an opi.osition, he was confident, was
!' totally exempt from party spirit.
Sir S.-RomiLLY stated that the returns alluded to
il by the Secretary of State were not produced on his
but were a longtkne in circulation.
The question was then put, and the motion was
carried.
s
t Sir S. ROMILLY gave notice, that he would move
on Monday for the returns
,of the convicts trans:.
ported to New South Wales since 1.805. . '
-TRANSPORT SERVICE.

Mr. „Husiossolsr, in a few preliminary observa-
tions, stated that he wished the -consideration of the
navy Estimates, which stood for Monday, might be
postponed in consepience of his not being. furnish=
ed with certain pipers. He would now move,
‘,‘ That there be laid before the House, Accounts of
the Hired Transports in the service, la ith their seve-
ral tonnage, &c. specifying their stations, and, the
number ofseawen employed in navigating them." -
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER had no ob-
jection to the motion ; but with respeel to what his
-Honourable Friend had-stated respe&ing the
,post-
ponement of the consideration of the Navy Esti-
mates, he did not see any particular reason for so
tarring. There had been an *antecedent voteof 130,000
seamen, which was now increased to 145,000. On
'this subject he was convinced, from the knowledge
hii Hon. Friend possessed in Naval afftirs, that he
would have all his arguments ready on Monday ;
when it was arranged to take these estimates into
consideration, and those 'of the army on Wednes-
day.
Sirt. POLE wished to make a few observations
relative to the: Navy. He thought it proper to vote
a sum equal to the maintenance of 15,000 men, if
it wasfintended that the service should not be in-
jured. One circumstance, in point of humanity,
ought to come under the inspection of the House :
he alluded to those seaman on, harbour duty, who,,
.after a period of .17 or 18 years services were then
obligedsto undergo the severest labour among con-
victs. From the other parts of the estimates, this
vote would appear unnecessary; besides, it would
be preferable to treat better those men in the present
aspect of affairs in France, many of whom have not
been onshore since the year 1795 ; a reduction was
absolutely necessary.
'The CHANCELL'OR Of the EXCHEQUER said, that
all the Hon: Baronet's observations respeding the
increase of seamen 'were made with great pro-
priety; The -House, however, would consider the
extent to which it would vote. With reiPe6t to the
Army Estimates, aSMonday and Friday. were occu-
pied with notices, lie alished them to be brought
forwai'd on 'Wednesday.•
.-Mre HusxissoN said, that he could not be fully
prepared with arguments unless he obtained the pa-
pers. • He• did not wish, however, to impede the
progress of public business. •
Mr. WILBERFORCE expressed his surprise that
there were no Estimates respecting the Docks
.at
Nortliftleci. ,
The question was then put, and the motion was
agreed to.