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London, England, 1821-06-16 00:00:00

tiatitel which would admit of his absence from
London for a time, he could proceed to the place
"IV :WU' the proposed inquiry was to be carried on
to assist in the undertaking, the public had a right
to his services. In offering to go to Ireland on
tans occasion, he disclaimed the affectation of
offering to, serve the country gratuitously. Of
all principles, that was the last which be should
-feel disposed to advocate. Such a principle would
he most i.njurious to the country. All men were
net in a condition to offer their services gratui-
tously, and many of those who had rendered the
best service to the notion had been in a situation
to require remuneration. lie was too honest a
Tr,au to seek fov applause by upholding a princi-
ple which he did not Conscientiously regard as
likely to prove conducive to the public good. He
was willing to go to Ireland. Ao engage in the la-
bours of the Commission ; and whatever might
be the difficulties with which his colleagues might
have to contend—whatever their ultimate- success,
be -.vas confident that no efforts would be wanting
-on their part :to vanquish the one, and to secure
the -other. "
Mr. Caaett krr must object to the appointment
of his Hon. Friend to be a Member of the Com-
mission. It had long been his object to diminish
c-the influence of the Crown in that House, and
be could not therefore now vote for a proposition
-svich went to increase it. The Hon. Member
who had just sat down spoke with as much so-
lemnity of going to Ireland as _if he had been
about to pass into an enemy's country. He had
spoken on this subject as if,, instead of being
about to cross the' Channel in-a steam boat to a
country where he was sure of being hospitably
received' and entertained, he had been going
in the forlorn hope. It seemed that the duties
of the Honourable Gentleman's situation as
Vice-President of the Board of Trade, did
not make his attendance necessary here, and
so he kindly offered to go on this desperate
expedition to Ireland without claiming any ad-
ditional remuneration, his expences being al-
lowed. Ile wished him much pleasure—thought
it quite reasonable 'that all his expences should
be defrayed, but considering the public to be
already entitled to his time, he should have
regarded any demand for an additional income
as very objectionable. He re-stated his objec-
tions to the appointment of his Hon. Friend, ob-
jecting as he-did-to the extension of the power
of the Crown in that House, even in the person
of that Hon. Gentleman (Mr. F. Lewis). He
-was surprised that Mr. Herries could be spared,
after what he had heard on former occasions of
the important duties attached to the office of Au-
ditor of the Civil List. He briefly noticed the
merits of the other Commissioners, and concluded
by declaring it to be his intention to take the sense
of the House on the motion for placing the name
of his Hon. Friend (Mr. F. Lewis) on the Corn
mission.

Mr. ROBINSON begged to say, that the Vice-
president as well as the President of the Board
of.Crontrol had a good deal to do. 'Though one
might be absent for a time by throwing more than
a natural share of the business on the other, it
by no means followed that the duties which they
'had to perform were not important, or that one
of them could be dispensed with. He considered
that going to Ireland as a Commissioner, his
Hon. Friend would still be engaged in the per-
.formance of duties connected with the trade
and commerce of the country. Though the Hon.
Gentleman made so light of going to Ireland, as
if the Commission were but a party of pleasure,
the Right lion. Baronet near him could perhaps
give him a very different idea of the character of
such a Commission. For the Hon. Gentleman

whose name had been so particularly objected to,
he should not have expected any harsh comments
on his appointment, but rather that the House
would congratulate itself on obtaining his ser-
vices., From the duties which the Commissioners
went to perform—from their exertions to cleanse
the Augean Stable he was going to say—(a
laugh)—he anticipated great advantages to the
untry, and was certain that any remuneration
which Parliament might think proper to award
would be well bestowed.

Lord A. HAMILTON thought a more proper
person could not be named to be on the Commis-

sior. than his Hon. Friend. He must, however,
oppose his being appointed one of the Commis-
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sinners, from his regard for the principle that a
Member of that House ought not to be so ap-
pointed. He did not say that it was to be laid
down that a Member of that House could not re-
ceive pay without being warped from his inde-
pendence. But would his Hon. Friend lay down
the opposite principle, that those who received
pay were to. be exempted from all suspicion ?
Ile should certainly give his vote against naming
a Member of Parliament to be one of the Corn-
trzissiopers. He was fortified in the objection- he
had made by the course taken by his Hon. and
Learned FriendiWbn,"on a.former occasion; of-
fering himself to be one of the Commissioners to
inquire into the State of Education among the.
Poor, had proposed to give up his seat in that
House. If Ministers wished to have a Member
of Parliament, why did they not name the Chief
Secretary for Ireland to be one of them ? To
him it appeared, that he might have been named
with more propriety than any other.

Mr. BROUGHAM rose to correct a mistake into
vfhich his Noble Friend had fallen, alluding to
his offering himself to be one of the Education

Commissioners. He (Mr. Brougham) had offered
to be one of them, but on the express condition
that he should receive no remuneration. lie had

not offered to give up his seat, but taking the
situation without emolument, he had said, that
even if it were thought necessary that doing this
he should give up his seat, even then he should
wish to have the refusal of it. He had said this,
but he bad gone no further. On the present
occasion tie must object to the appointment of
his Hon. Friend. It was a relief to him to know

that no man, from character, talents, and habits
,of business, was fitter to act as a Commissioner

than his Hon. Friend, as this very circumstance
provtd that it. was the principle only to which he

olOcted—the principle- which went not directly
brit indirectly to increase the influence of the
Cawn in that Hau9e. It had been said that
its appointment would have no effect on his