The Sun.
London, England, 1810-02-01 00:00:00

COMMITTEE OF FINANCE.

• Mr. 13stikrs,'irl-rising to propose the revival of
the .Committee far investigating the state of do
public expenditure, telt that tO.that*treral proposi"
tion there could be no possible ohjetion, unanitnoug
as the House had always. been in their opinion 00
that subjeBt. It remained hoWever w be considered,
and the , consideration was :an impart-alit One, wfla
was to be delegated for the •purpose, He was eon"
yinced that the efficieney Or inefficiency of the Cony.
mittee must depend on the Me4nbers seletted, to
compose it. In the tatting Committee,thenuinhea:
bad been too great: It had been found by expert',
once, thatiii a large body,, possessed of the lower
of unlimited di,eussiotti business could cot be-sais'
fa6torily_expedited. 1.1 appeared adtis.i.ble _that the
Cotornittee, should not consist of than 0
Members, .or thereabouts. He had Lawn up a li.
of names which he intended to propose, and 01'
which the House would judge fur thermelves.
this he was sure, that if the, House though proper
to appoint the individuals inentiOned in that
Ci)mmittee would consist. of men possessed of grejt
ability and sincee inclination to serve tlitt
and also, he.trusted:of sufficient leisure, to devor.o
to the cofisidtAation of the subjed enttwited to then'
the time which such an important investigation
quired. "He was anxious to avoid speaking invidionsii
J2fany. of the Members of the last Committee ;. ha'
it must beevident to the House, that a Conn-Tillie
,constituted (.4.—ntvn -dithering Materially upon 11.11,
points to which their attenton w,is dace-led, aflu
some of them in complete hooility to the object for
which.the Committee was appointed, could na D 5
expeaed soon to blitz their labours to a successful
issue. His first motion would be;
That a Sehrel Committee be appublted to investigate-o'e.
state of time Public ExpenctiTure." • -
,This motion,was unanimously agreed to.
Mr. BAN KES then proposed the* following;
-names, the first eight being Members of the vii
Committee :

Mr. H. Thornton, Mr. T.. Baring,
Mr. Biddulph, - Mr. Curiven,
Mr. Sturges Bourne. Mr. .Milnes,
Mr. Btogden, Mr. C. Ellis,
.Mr.. N. Calvert, Mr. I'cel.
Mr. Cavendish, Mr. 1). Giddy;. and
Mr. Alderman Combe, Mr. Bathurst.
. . ,

Binlces's name was necessarily included as' the 1119YFI
theTroposition.j .

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The' CR kNCE-LLOR of the ExcifEQUER de.)i4
the cogency- of the "argument of hip Ho:t. Fri.ndo
with respea to the, propriety of constituting a Coro'
mittee of persons Who entirely concurred. in ci)i'
mon: the contrary it appeared, to' him more
eligible to combine individuals of, 'different senti-:
ments,
.in order that argument might be opposed t°
argument, and mind to, mind, and the
_public
vice henetited.by that elucidation of the public iu
terest which the collision wouA produce,,
resped to.tha last Committee, he had never hears
any objeCtion to its ConStitution, except t0w:305
the (-Joie of the Session, when theflon.
of that Committee expressed his opinion that the
Ounibiffs were two great. litilhOi'ild—P-rcii,ose, 1';
the r9o:n of the Marquis of Lansdowtle, to i, get;
the name of the I-l On. Mr. 'Ward; 4nd.he s!.(-)1.11'
also propose ta,..add the :six following Gent:o"
mcn, two of I.vhoin were in the Ist of leis Boo'

' Mr. D. GIDDY declared that he heartily tied sin!.
Mr. PeeL, Mr. C minces,
cerely supported the oriinal motion, in the adoption
Mr. D. ts hide, me c. Wynne,
of which there did note ppear to him the possibility *Mr. Piotison, Mr. t. Holvorth.
of any danger; but on the contrary, it was, in ..se , ,
aver. H. rikteaNTON spoke 'of the condod of ail
his opinion fraught with the most desirable couse-
quences to the public. ,
last Committee,. Some of the Getelemen did
, not punt attend, and
...a differenceeetiioa
Sir S. RoMILLY also supported, the ?riginal mo- , existed which indurced other Gentlemen toeel.tle
lion. The aboli,ion `Was preferable to the suspen- , draw. He was, 'therefore, in favonr iei a •ceor
e
sion, for the etled'ef the latter would be to accuatm-
tete the offices in reversion, whichwduld be 'at the ;Committee.
._
, ..
eould h°
disp-osai of the Min ister when that suspension ten 1 SrSir J. NEWPORT thought little benefit ni- :
nated. All offices were of two kinds; either the expected by the' Public from the Committee nanie
el
had duties attached 'to the y ; by the Right Hon. Gentleman opposite. if Gentle'
m, ier they were sinecures. i men were appointed Members of that Cor
'ninitte,q.
Toappoint -to an office of the first cescrion a: I who' were hostile to the purpose for' which it
• person who was to fill at a future period, was to i was formed,: what could foe expected ?He could Or
appoint a person who, at the-period of his appoiht-
entirely approve of the list proposed byehe Mernbert
ment, might be very fit fore' the office, but by the :: on the floor, -as no Gentlemen were liartit;d ih it
time
. who Were Members for Ireland or Scotland. There'
time_When he entered upon it, mignt become very
unfit for the office. At the time when such a per-' were no i parts of the' United Kingdomcharmer -where,
son was appointed, -his facilities might be unim- . greater abuses had existed. Ha therefore' hoped
paired and' his charer unimpeached ; but When - that some Members would be added who were
the period arrived for his entering' upon the duties from those parts of the United Kingdom. This ‘.crii
' Of his office, the' one might be' clouded and the
res -he was anxious to make •on the
other lost. On this ground 'it had been decided -in the impression
his.opinion, be expe6tede from a Connuittee_coa'''
it had been determined, that House; he was also anxious to protest against the
,principle laid down by the Right Hon. Gentlemll''
both
Courts of Law, that a judicial office could -not be
granted in reversion. • In the reign. of queen Eliza-
of the propriety of forming the.Committeedf Get''
had Auchtorship tlemea differing in politics. Little good could, its
of the Court of Wards (a situation approaching
in'a • . . .
to a judicial charmer) could not be granted
reversion. In fad, the impropriety of granting, posed of such hostile materials.
in reversion, offices which require the Mr. BATHUUST; unless some reasons were ivy performance
sigued could not vote for "the
'exclusion of ' any nevi
of' duties, was self-evident. Would he be consi-
of the old Committee. He saw n,,impropriety lii
doted a man of sound understanding who should foi ming a Committee consisting of Geutlernen «'l'°appoint any person to "become ' the steward of his : differed in politics, provided a-proper batance e":
suc.lindividualestate, 'on the death of his present steward . If isted. He could not agree that the' Members of: '
h a step, with respect to the servant of a.; private:i should
.be selef?ted all limn one
side Or-from the
would be considered as absurd, he could other. He bad formerly voted against the. al:1(116'0
~ of.-certain" Members to a Committee, bateelse V
not perceive why a similar imputation should not at-
'
tach to similar conduct with respect to ' the servants thought that if the priticiele on which it whs /-1-6'
posed to add those. Members were acted upon, III"
of the Public. .Equally disadvantageous ,was it that 1
Members of Committees might he 'gredually poi, '
discussion. The only ground of defence, however,
ea.
sinecures should be granted in reversion. The pro- !
priety of sinecures' at all was not then the subjed or i
i merited from 15 or 21, to 40 or 50. '
I Mr. BA N KE9 had no idea that it would he thought"
upon which they could be justified Was, that they ! from the list-he had sebniitted, to the Houie, thaelle•
were' granted for past important serviCes. -When : wished-all to, go one 'way:. Ile-should be very serf!
they were graetei in reversion, the- Public- lost ',
much, *and the
:individual obtaining them gained if any Gentleman thought so ill of him: A.nfore.
i. impartial list he thought could not be formed. ' He:
little. He was surprised and concerned to hear the had- taken Mena ft-Om—different parts "Of 'the House'
Right Hon. Gentleman opposite-talk with such i'n- : and throwre in as many is : -he,.could of those' Geo'
the utmost impOrtan
ditterence-of a subjed, which to him appeared ofk ; tleMen NU', be ;believed aid from their own oei-
et ; and tr..). show that it had
he. had reason Id belie
Mons, Geotleineti wbeen believe.
been so considered by great authorities,• lie read a
and lie
passage from a treat would-de-their duty. None of them- it -weld 1),,
written by Lord Chief Justice ' 'supposed 'w ere 'finder his controul., asacre
itile, expressly to guard against the innovations 01; • the House That he had not consulted Otie of them 0
the law, in wnich that Learned Lord not only 're- the subjed. . commended abolition of the power of granting re-
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Mr. RUA-RR 'vrtAs Of opinion, that whether al
versions in future,' but advised that those theta ex- es
seernmittee lied Coileisted'of 15, 20, 25„ 'or whit riot,
fisting Should be immediately taken off, and pen-' ; it had not done its duty; as one_ of the purposes for
sions given to their possessors in their stead. With i• whictrit had tern appointed, the abolishing of stie''
r-esped to the sentiments of the other House of Par- eu.t. plattis on the death of thep- present iaoisessorb
liment on this or ally other subjed,
vit was for ehe hadelever been answered. Having omitted to ;.101101/.
lice.s2 of Commons to- do their duty itidependeetly.
of any other censideratioa. ; they ha I not djue their -duly, •had - not fulfilled the,.
- 'l'e xa eeetationa of the people. He hoped, howeadc,

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