The Sun.
London, England, 1819-12-09 00:00:00

A;tNIS BILL. Fv.c.

A Altssitp. troth the Lords Itavini4 nuntsonced
t!oit their Lordships It oi passed ;he S. it.ire of
Armq 8.11, ant: atso the hill fur ihe wevention
o; :IJilottry Training and desired the
concurrence of the House to the ennte,

CA,TLI,REAGH IliOVCd OW Ist reading of
the latter Bill.

Mr. STUART WORTLEY WaS of
11 few obsurviiti#ws no the zubject to whicii ;hose
Bills referred, before they were permitted to he
broil:Jot up. 'floe copy of a itcpnsition had heel,
sent up to Urn 110111 th.e Coustabk• of El poindous
()f,f;l iii 71-iokshive (the name could not he !carn-
et!), vrith :lie.cOeitcries of which he thought it of
lotion ranee the House should be made oicrinaineeil,
It iclateel to the regular system of tniiicaiy drill-
ing anti training which %vies carried on
mrighbotirhooti. The person tvlio had made :his
deposition, vvliose name, for ois reasons, he
did not think himself entitled to give, spoke poSi-
lively to his having seen bodies of men to the
amount of 200 or opr.ards, unoieigoing
drilling and training on the nights :Of Saturday,
>old \l'edneselav week, and digit lie had
a distinct view to them on Monday ; and as the
light of lie moon fell on their columns f,e couid
proceive that they wete all provided with sticks,
which were shouldesed in the tunnner of te
meosket, and front the ,top of which sottle-
thittg ;;littered, which lie had on doubt trotnits
tippeisiance was a pike head. Although he was not
at hherty to mention the name of the.(;en:tietßan.
who had inoio c this eicpositioo, he could assure the
House thete_was tome of intore respertability or
teracity in the whole county. Ile had in the first
instance vs rieteit this sLatemoint tc, hint (sit. Vir.)
upon which he had wriiten to him to direct him to
mike his deposition In-fote Sir Francis IVood, and
it etas 01)011 this being done that it bad been sent
to hint as before-mentioned. Ile had also receiv-
ed litters from Sir Francis \Vociti, one of which
I aye further' confirmation of the prevalence of this
practice in the country. It woos a deposition by
to Gelltienliiii of high respectability and of excccd-
ingly good sense. It said that on 'Tuesday night
of last week, as this Gentleman seas rettirning
through the town of Barnsley, towards his own
habieation, his itetentiou WHO) Stiribeled in ille
en-
virons of the'said town, near the turnpike-road,
try something having the appearance of a body of
men moving in concert with each color. In or-
der to be able to make his oliservatiolis more
sii-
tisfactotilt•, he pulled lop his itor•e, when he dis-
tinctly lteald the order given to " :1/arch," and
afterwards to" Ile was afterwards tempt-
ed to take a situation near to this body, and ‘l'hile
lie was iu that situation, the words " Stand at
Ease" dent " Attention" were given, and oppa-
rently answered by corresponding motions on the
part of the glimpe collected. Before deponent had
temitined long viewing 'he'll w0,j0n,,,, two men
left Ilie ranks, and ran towards :inn till they
came within a few voids of hien, when, slack-
ening their pace. they called one to hint, " 11rhat
are you doing lore to vt hicli lie replicti,"ll'hot
the devil are you doing ":" Tile men after hav-
ing consulted together for a little, returned to
their companions, when the deouwent, not think-
ing it consistent with his ptirsonsl safety to stop
any longer, galloppcil tiff. Sir Francis It'ood
stated that the practice of /it was not
confined to the part of the country in which
800 nley was situated ; 'it was extensively (-roiled
on about 1.11,t0n. Ile thong:it dot: these s;ate-
mews deserved the roost setiocs attention the
House could bestow on them. 'file ctiniinal
iveof these prhetices was nlnittly seen in the hour
chosen to purine them. It was at the dead hour
tit night these persons met to carry on their ex•
ercise. 'lbis he conceived to be the strongest
evidence of their guilty view. It ,VV,s the .duty
of the House to show, by one itensitimows expres-
sion of elicit- deprecation, that it was not to be
deceived on this head ; •and if it wos tenable to
draw them from their delitsion, it was its duty to
•
in:lict punishment for the crinoitialacts they corn•
touted under its inflatence.. Under
these cilCl:ni-
stances,
.he hoped the !louse :Iota& pass the Hill
.which, haul just been iiead, witloootit any prolongtd
discossion upon it. In Lis opinion, they could not
de better than imilate the exiimplc widish the
tither. [louse Lad acted cpoott ni this rispcct.---
(Hear.)
;11r. TienNur could asietre the Honourable
Gentleman, 11,1ut lie was as desirous as any matt in

put down the practices described by bite. as ex-'
icting to so alarming a degree ; but, at the same
tin-v., in doing so, he must he allowed to hesitate
a little in the choice of the means placed before
hinn for that purpose, lest he shan't stumble upon
the:adoption of ;The •which should establish a dan-
gerouS precedent to sill future cases a dilemma
If his side (4 the Honse could be charged with
hiving retarded, by its discussions, the passing
of this he would entreat GenOen-1M to ob
serve, that it was not from communications made
by Government, that the necessity of the Bill had
been shown, but from the-grattntous irdormation
which hart been affotded by private individuals,
amongst whom tie House certainly had io ac-
linowled!ze the ready services of the Hots. Ment-
he,' for 'York. He was (tee to confess, that he saw
no one good purpose to which [hit training could
lead. lie was convinced that no friend to lib,r;
could wish for a continuation of practices of this
kind.—(Hear !)-11e, however, saw no great
harm that could arise from a delay of a few days
longer. A few hundreds more might possibly be
in rimed ; Ina if the evil was of the magnitude
it wos stated to be, that addition would be &com-
paratively little consNu,nce. On the occasion
of .the Suspension of the Habeas Corpus Act, it
wag a different case—any material delay might
have,,,rarned the individuals it was cOutemplated
to affect, of then: danger, and allowed them time
to elude !lit• intentions respecting them. He was
as sine, rely desirous of affording every compatible
acility to the progress of the measure through the
14ouse, as he was that no dangerous precedent
should he permi•ted to be formed as a consequence
cif it.

Lord Ceisrtuiti2.AGui congratulated his side of
the t I e propitious disposition which the
flight flc,n. Gtnc !email had this evening shewu to
!heir view's. He hoped he would not be consi-
dered its over-7,tmg this kindly di,posiiion, in
pronosiug that the Tt'aitilugrand Seizure of ins
Bdl shouid be read a first and second time this
e‘eoing, and committed to-morrow.

Thi4 was said across. the ;table, and Mr. Tierney
nodded a-sent. ''''',l4"9t.it.‘irttte-
Mr. CurtwEN null Mr. G AH A M succussively•
stated to ,the House various information they had
received frtun r-spectable quarters, confirma-:
lion of whit h previously been advanced by Mi..
Stuart \Vol t,lt.y respecting, the pi evalenve of night-
ly drilling and trainitig, Which-was carried on
;lira-irghout the cottony. .
Mr. BROUGH AM observed; that what appeared
to him as the most extrioudinary eitcninstaoce
*Miler the. train of intormation which poured in I
on this head. was the sopineoess of Magis-
tracy, ego it would appear did not think it their
duty to inter:ere when offences' were (lady emit,
milted of a nature initt was only separated by a
chain or evidence from the highest climes known.
He thought those who had considered the Man
Chester Meeting illegal, could 'scarcely fail to at-
tach thelatne character, to nightly meetings,
.vhere 100 pike-heads were arranged in military
order. It was the duty of Magistrates, in such
cases, not only to employ the civil power, but to
make use of all the military power at their ;his-.
posiaL.to brealc up such meetings. When' he Was
in Carlisle, [Wu monibs ago, lie was told i f the
existence of nightly meetings, and the. ititiour-
able Member for Carlisle now assured tile House
that they were mote prevalent than ever. Cool
Clo 1, what had the Magistri:itei been doing since
that period ?---(Hear, hear I)
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL viedicated the Ma-
gistrates front the opprobrium which was endea-
voured to he east ottthem it., these affairs. 'Lie
difficulty of obtaining evidence stiliicitmt to indict.
the individuals concerned in these practices was
notorious. Some rrsons had been indicted, brit
they all traversed over -to the text Session, and by
that means evaded present ptv:ishment, w,d, de-
prived the community of that salutary. kissoll
whietl would be productive of such beneficial ef-
fects in offences of this description.—(llear
Lord STANLEY thought the Magistracy more to
blame than the Hon. and Learned Gentleman was
desirous of showing.
A short conversation took place between Mr.
Curwen, Lord Stanley, Mr. S. Wortley, Mr. J. P.
Grant., Borrell, and Lord Folkstone,
uit this.stibieet, after which the Training Bill was
read a first and second time, and .ordered to be
committed to-morrow, and to be printed.
0:1 the MO! ion of Lord CAsTLEREAGH, ale
Seizure of .Nrirs Bill was read a first titne, and
ordered for a second reading on Friday, and to be

printed.
Trtittste.st asked the Noble Lord (Castle-
rugh) when it was intended that the third read-
ing of the Seditious Herrings Bill should take
place ? Ile b:•gged leave to state that he should be
cliaisfied with one fair Opportunity of deliberating
on the principle of the Bill, and it might be equally
convenient for the Noble Lord that that shouldlpt
tilt the third reading.

After some COT) yersation, vt.hidi took
;dace across the table between Mr. Tieriey and
Lord Gisilereagh, it. was noderstood that the
third reading of the Bill should take place on
Monday iiext.

Mr. WIIITTL6 HARVEY said, that in considera-
tion of the importtince of the discossioni which
were to rake place on this side of Chtistwa3, he
thought it would be Lolvisable to postpone his no-
tice On the sohjyct of the Cameflout Election till
niter the teevss.