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been augmented to 2080. It *as only necesszqy; to
cbturast the one with the other, to see how f2ireatly

tire influence of tire Ciown Lad- increased.

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penditure of the alnty was then 6,5,p9,0801. ;' no‘s>
the amount of it was i g;432,0001. Hon. Ge9f,

Ilenriap then went *on to obittrast•tfre ordndoce" esii-

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mates and naval' expenditure of that period-w.an

those of 'the:present, The funding of , the Exche-
que't Bills was another, source of the_ i.aeleat.ingr in-; -
fruence of the Crown. He would shew the-Right
HOnburable Gentleman that the influence of tki4-
QrtiWn was not so small -as he had imag,ined.-.-- '
Elpences had , been mated it was to be -irervient.
tiered since that period. T,hellarracksyihe'lransport
.Office,-and the'Board of Conti-out, of • which nothing__
had been said- by the. Right Hon.,Gentlemao, all
addedto. the, influence of the Crown, though, the
the Members of the latrer- (who' had Mlle to do hilt,
to receive their salaries) were paid by the East India -
Company.. The four and a- half per cents.. which
were in the tittle of Queen Ann appropriated to-the.
repairing of fortifications, ,had since been applied to,
the,paying of pensions granted subsequent to that of
the fate Duke of Gloucester.' The pension of- the
'Duke of GlpucesteY,. though nothing appeared to
warrant a belief- that. the tUnd- was in, to
answer the calls made oti-it; had,been Thins4terred to ‘
the 'Consolidated fund, and thus a new- vacancy %wig,
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rivde for patronage, .w.hicli 'lad 'sinee been 7retty •
',. well filled tap:''' He iia,l nothing to' say_ against •
those. to wlitimifthe. tivnsios were granted. He
objected,to,•the ,principle,- as adding to the it,tlu-
etice ref the Crown. Pensions. in the grant 'of the
`Crown, agreeable tojVr. Burke's Bill, should {tot
exceed 60, or at most '90;0001. ; but t-he patron-
age of the Crown was increased by a Subterfue. -
-A, larger ptinSiori _than -,12.001.- was not to be'.
-granted by the 'Crown. If- more were ,deserved,
the party should be sent to Parliament- to -recelyt
the, reward of his services: PenS'otis 'should ever '
be under the eye, of PailiaMent; that they -might
always be liable •to lie-withheld. '.Doubtless• that.
power would -never- b. -: e x et- ciA Iri . iviilloOt ~j,:t
close. Ili the_ view he -took of-the sittljeet no -great
reduction could at present.be made,- but it was not
less. the duty of , the Ilonie'fo Lok into the subleCit,
and effea *what they could. He hoped --a* sipAl
-saving on this head WoOld only be a prelude to a .
general saving in, every ,department.,_ Ttiese made,'
though individually, small, would -ccliatively be
found of importance.. ,He should feel happy to con-
cur With the Right Hon. Gentleman where he coulth•
The ist'atid 2d he-should adopt, and the Bd'and4th
he only obje&ed to, as they went-to legalize that
patronage to which -he was averse;' Ire- however,
thought there would be no diaculty in modifying
them db that he could give it his support. The 6th
was that no pension shouictbe granted thin the sale
of. old stores, but that a fluid should thence Le'
formed for the' benefit of'•the 'navy:- The 7th
'agreed with his fifth, wli.ch went tat,. enact that no
minister at a foreign Court .should-reteive More than
.20001: per annum. That he thought- was quite sot,
•ficient. If 20001, was to be a maximum, he thought '
Ithe Office of 'Registrar of the Admiralty deinande,d
their immediate attention: It they wanted a pre-_
cedent for such- interference he would -tannish them -
with one in the reduction of the Auditors of the Im-• .
press in acertain degree. The Audit'ors and Tellers,
-" of the Excheotiei in .1780, were very near being re-is
duced in asirnilAr way, a- niotionto that-effect, hay.:
ing only a: majority of five against it. .'He conclud
ed byMovingthlat his own should be read first, ..but
• at the- same time stating it to be'his intention to cOn.
- cur with the two first of the Right-Hon. Gentlemanoppbsite. - .
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The first Resolution recommending economy,
&c. was theta
.Put.. •‘,- , , ' ••• ,
. Mr." Rose observed that what he had stated with
respea .to the savings made in the last- 20 or 25-
'ears, was little more than an enlargement of what
• he had before stated, in that. House. He h been
accused of giving,tr unfair statement, such was not.
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his ntention;and e was uncenscious'of having done
so.Hedid not contradid the statements oftbeHon:
Gentleinan, but he Was not aware:.of' the- influ'ence
of the. Crewn"having increased as he OWL airtin)
' # conceived It had. He was surprised 'a, 'short time
:back at seeing how small a number of olhcers wee
employed to coiled the taxes". There wan as addition
of 59tuill;ons to the revende, and taking away ti:e
customs,v-vhich.did not produce more than' 8 of them,
-. a new,Otfice.could'scarcely be found, and not more
' .than au,,40,- or 50 additional officers, and many of
•, those who had their situations given idcoinpensition.
; 'With respe& to the increase of the 5 tatiofthearaly, ,
•. he had not. in -the oourAe of-1.7 or 18 years Ihown of
more than 50 Commisstons having been give!), Tho-
- Hon. Gentletnan had said, that be, iii h • pamphlet_
had not mentioned: the -Barrack, the Ti\nisport Of-
- fice, nor the Board of Controul.. He had gone into-
a detail on those subjeas. He hoped when the Hon.
Gentleman had read his pamphlet that he would do
him justice, and, acknowledge that he had not shut
. his eyes on them. With respea to the 1.4 per cent. -
• duties, they fell so low at one time, that tli..y 'were
. insutfiOent for several years to p 4), the, pensions to

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Fr.-,L. they 7.;•:?re appropriated: Ther-had subse--
and when they, could bear new
wits tr,ie that new ones had. been made.
ItZter some further remarks la reply, to. various
I,lrV, Martin's-speech, the flight lioilabr-
able k:ntleman concluded. ,stating his pamphlet to
have all the accuracy it was in lii- power to give, and
it the Hon, Gentleman wo, ild point but to him where
the was in e.;ror, he shoal feel obliged to him. and
would he topOy tb sti.briv the requisitecortettione
Mr. CREEVEX ei mended that:he influence tithe
-Crov!rlild greatly increased. The pamphlet of the
rogr, .n. Gentleman 4..)pirosite cattallated to
deceit -lic,l4tl never „seen anything so untair.---7
r,l'irvredoetiot4s he hail. set forth were but' a drop of::
ocean, The Liarraclis—the contracts
re:a: ny to them.--7the,.increa.se ,ot oti-iFes ;- and the
petl,,ittf as-ad•ted to ih salarit-S of•fhe Judges of India,
- all to: lied to inerease that influence within that-period
in which be snoke of it as being so greatly diminished_
lie patebn'age obtained t hropgh the situation oldie&
'• and, that arising from colonial Con-
c,y,es!_(sivlst;ch 1w had_ not stated), ha,r,i, a similar ten- •
.Toe Bank, protected by GoYeiturtent,
holding money and issning paper, and in returnH
colle(jing ilielaxes fur ;Government, was another
sonv.e patronage. immense influence thus
. derive greatly exceeded the boasted reductions.
The Right Hon. Gentlemni had gone into a detail
of the reductions, While he had pursued a:very
ferent-ccp.ase with. respect. to the increase of ex-
. • pences.' R.- had not snolien, at licenses-as increas-;
itig the means of vitro:l:iv. . Upon the whole • he.
regarded it as a most unworthy. producti,i?, as a'
pit.t-I perforinanee, stating partially one side of.
the case.--
felt. no pain at having his pamphlet
sty!ed a pitiful perfertnance by the Hon. Gentle-.
into. • He was not aware that the Crown drily-
ed any-influence rrom Contractors. He knew' of
none, in that House. He was ignorant of the pen-
'siona of the Judges in, India having the Wed the
Hon. Gent:einan imputed to (helm, He disclaimed
having availed. himself of East India!patronage, and •
assured the. Hon. Gentleman; that in granting ti- •
censer no partiality had been Shown
,to. Otter side of
the House.
• IVIr. Pi.'N nits denied that *theta was any establish-
Inent of Judges in India, receiving above-A. million
a-year., He totally,denied that one Of those persons
had received hiS 'appointment by the influence of
the Crown, direct or.indirect.—For himself, -he had
• tiot recommended-e`v-On a single individual, having
, given-his pledge JO 1,0.1 d nom to that effect, He ,
must also flatly contradicl, the asseitiop.ot the Ann.
Gentleman With lespeor.to thy :supposed itAuence of
-Government in t. 11.4 . appointment of writers. Of
• the tnass,of. writers aninnilly
,seirt.447 India _by the
- Company, only I or l -were. qcornmended • by. chic
B-'ard of Controul ; recoronieW.;;;kni I.vhich,.after
all, the Cot•rc.of Oitectors 11-04 tlie;"oßtion -to adopt
or- i'cror ;Ails the Hon. Gt'ent44 an more ac.'•
curate in his statement when lie -c;4449,1 ,Govern-
meta with possessing' gr(-at influeue,'Oer 'the-East
Indta and Bank Directors 4. the tact wii.o-4krc(lY the -
contrary.. :
Mr.CRE4i'RY explAned-.
Mr. Spisoti defended the Masters in. C.l.t,incefy.
from the imputation of being umier the influence,
of the Crown, The office was not at all a politi.,:at.
one, It was
_not ~;raiited-by the Crown,: but by the
Lord Chancellor, and was a patent otike fur jite.
, -Mr, MARTIN, in 4x planation, denied that ties
re-
'ttolutions befor6 the_ ( rimmittee had any direct re-
ference to the subjett Mentioned by 'the Learned
Gtintlemar4„•.
Sir J.,Niti'a,„..adverting. to the statement which
had been made -res.peoing the,l)rpits. of -Admiralty,-
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declared. that out of-those Dr its,, amounting to eight
millioni, two:third.a had hven granted to the cap-
tors, without regard of
spt..rsors.
Mr., Wit.sox defend, d the propriety of the pen-
sions
granted to suixrannuated Masters in Chan-