The Sun.
London, England, 1817-12-23 00:00:00

FOlt THE SUN. •

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Mn. %DlTOll,—.l in►' a Certificated Conveyancer,
and think your Correspondent, an Cold Barrister,
bears a little too hard upon me and my biethren

iti the TzApz.

I was brought up a Tullow-cliandler, but being
obliged to avail myself of a Commission, " thebest
in his Majesty's gift," I turned Conveyancer, told
qualified myself for the trade by reading. An
Attorney lodged in my house, and alt he left. me
for a year's rent was a box full of parchments
one wi‘ts a lease, another a mortgage, and. ono.-
ther an assignment, with a little volume, called
" The Attorney's Pocket-Book :" with these
was soon able to spin out a deed, as well as before
I could dip a line of cotton in a vat of milted tal-
low ; and why not ? Does the carrying on one
trade prevent a man from knowing another ? It
is true I was no pupil to a Conveyancer, because
my lodger once told me' the fee to such a person
was so much money thrown away, and for nothing
more than for copying hii old precedents, while
he was too much engaged in business to be of any
other use. Indeed, Sir, the most eminent of
Conveyancers are little more than precedent men.
They have pigeon-holes for covenants, and pro-
visoes, beside manuscript forms of deeds of every
kind, one whereof, if out of the common way,
serves for all ; but these Gentlemen make no
complaint of us—it is the Attornies only. They
charge such Conveyancers as I am with incompe-
tence, forgetting their own ; as when we feel it,
we alike go to Counsel learned in the Law for
help. We are all equal in common matters, and
are food for the Law, though the Old Barrister
will not own it. Why in the name of the Lord—.
Chancellor, does he fall foul of Mr. TpdLYISI, who
acts fairly in the trade? Why give a man a dowse
in the chops who carries it on 200 miles ofi?—
Why does M. Anonymous attack him. in a long-
winded letter with more trords than water ? hie
put his name to his address,, and should be an-
swered with ope.

In short, we ought not to be locke►l out from
getting an honest livelihood by conveyancing—it
is an open trade, and not at all exclusively .the At-
tornies, which is o►►iy to bring people into Court,.
and to get them out again, as well as they can. I
have taken an opinion upon it, a copy whertof 1
send you, if you wish it. Inthel:rican•time,
I hope the Old Banister will have a little wore
me,rcy on us, and that you will give toe a place in
your candid Paper.

I am, your bumble servant,
A CEICTIVICATE MAN,
But neither a Juggler nor a Thief.
Bach Garret, Three Pair, Furuivat's

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THE SUN.

110EENI QUIS DLCERE FALSUM AUDEAT ?

LONDON,
TUESD;IY, DECEMBER 23, 1817.

We received this morning the Paris Papers of
Saturday last. The following are Extiacts

"'CHAMBER OF DEPUTIES, DEC. 19.

" The Count Beugnot reported from the Com=
wittee on the Projet fur the provisional collection
of six-twelfths of the Taxes: The Report cha-
racterised these provisional measures as impolitic,
inasmuch as they tended In prevent improvemews or
efficient regulations being made with regard to
the collection ut the Revenue. The Report finally
recognized the necessity of the Projet under
existing circumstances, but stating that the Mi-
nister of Finance would not, under the wOrds of
the Projet, be legally' authorized to expend the
money received, the RepOrt concluded, by pro-
posing an addi►ioual article to enable the Mini-
ster of Finance to open a provisional credit for
184;200,000 francs. "

"The thicussion on the Itepot was appointed
for Mot)(l,,y.
" The discus'sion was I.:slimed on the Projet

respecting the Press.
" M. Sarteion spoke in favour of the 'Projet
with the Amendments ; but contended for the in-
trottlictiou of }rid by Jury.

" AI. Favard de I.ol%lade was in favour of the
Pljet and Amendments; and against Trial by
.1 (Iry •

1117 de Bonnl3 teen` over the general theory
Of the Liberty of the Press, and advocated the
Trial by Jury (a special one) for the offences of
the Press. He opposed the Projet.
" The closing of the di>cussinn was called for.
" Several Members—Nu, . no !• let sonic one
speak. -

" M. de2Chativelin—l demand to be allowed to
speak against the closing of the discussion. 1 ,
have an observation to make, and I request per
mission of the Chamber to. make it. It refers to
the declaration which we heard yesterday from the -
mouth of one of Ills Majesty's Ministers.—(lnter-
ruptions.)—Tbm declaration purports—(New in-
terruptions.--Several Members—speak as to the
closing the discussions,—a long and lively agi-
tation succeeded.)7--Without entering into any
(11,3cussion upon this point, I shall only re-
mark, that I haveTtiai'd nothing said this
day respecting that declaration. (New Inter-
ruptions. —The cloSitii .of the discussions again
demanded.)—Permit me Messieurs to observe,
that if you close the discussion his Majesty's Mi-
nisters will have to speak upon the I'rojet, and
you will not have an answer to the declaration to
which I allude;—(New murmurs.—Several voices
speak of the closing of the iliseussion)-1 supplicate
the Chamber to grant me a Moment's attention.—
' In speaking against the closing of the discussion,
I cannot limit tnyelt to remark simply upon the
number of hours and days during which thisdis-
eussion has continued ;- I must give a sort of
view, however faintly, of' the objecrs which I
think ought still to be discussed. In fact, if a
Member has 'Observations to make upon what has
been said it is impossible for you, not to under-
stand— •

" The President.—The Speaker must state the

point upon which he grounds it is opposition to the
closing of the discnssion:
" 111. ►le ChattyOin.—The greater part of the
speakers have called your attention to an Amend-
ment, which is perhaps not inore import ant than the

question which occupies you; namely, oueteu-
ding to the application of Trial by Jury to oflence's
of the Press. N"lhat has been opposed to it ? A de-
claratiut. prejudicing the question; a declaration of
a detertnination not to reetieeit, which I believe
to he unprecedented,. in 111 ii Chamber, It has
been thought right to declare t'hat the -King will
not consent to an Amendment, before that Amend-
ment which has bee►t proposed has the

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you),lt is ilopot: '

know how we are 10 understand that dechracio`:'
which I believe 'to he entirely at Vatiance ‘0:1
the rights of the Chamber.

" The .I)iesident.-,:-The point of ohStrvatiou
appears to he stifficiently indicated.
IT. de Chmi'velin.—lf. the Assembly recor
nizes the,point of my observation, I have nothing
to add. The Sp-eAker desended front Tribtio6'.
Mestadier presentel hiniself in the Tt'
bone The closing of the discussion' was call6l.
for.

" M. Mestadicr.—M de Ronald has presented 6
new system, I propose to develope another, whic.k
is also new. lam the first inscribed in the 0110
of speaking, I request a moments attention frail
the Assembly,

" A norther of voices—Yes, yes:
" Others.—The Reporter to speak.— Tl-'

closing:
" The President.—ne Reporter has intimated,
that he is too much indisposed to appear in tile
Ttibune, he has transmitted his Manuscript to
Becquey, with whom, if the Chamber closes tbt
discussion, the right of speaking rests.
The Chamber consulted, but did not dosg

the discussion.
" M., Alestadier began to speak, and M. I‘lo'
risset spoke at the same time from the Tribune.'"
(Laughter.)

" The President. —1 must explain to the Cho'
ber an incident which has gone beyond my power*
M. Favard, M. Mestadier, and M. Dilorisset, were
inscribed to speak in favour of the Projet.
morning M. Morisset requested to be inscribed
speak against it.—(Shouts of Laughter.)
" The right of speaking MIS loudly demanal
for M. Mestadier,
"The Minister of the Intetior.The contemr
woos expression ot a determination not to fl"
ceive the Amendment has been attributed to rile
of the King's Ministers, when speaking respecti4
the Royal initiative. Deceived, doubtless, '4
Newspaper error, the Speaker -who has descended
from the Tribune has supposed the contrary 04
what was said. The Minister confined himselfW

sheaving that the amendment was contrary to tbt
Royal Prerogative ; he was authorized to maiil'
tain Such a proposition by the law itself as pr°'
posed, which excludes such an amendment. )1
was so much the more his duty what he s3la
being conformable to Jim opinion of the Colrs
mince, and that of several Speakers.
therefore no necessity of midiing observatioo

i'lier~ i'

upon what was not seict.
" M. Molisst de handed to be beard—(NlooS.
agitation succeeded).
" The Chamber decided for hearing M. Me/1
tadier; 'who- opposed the introduction of Pri
trials, and sugge,ted a number of arnendnienti•
" The closing of the di4cussion was ti gain call•
ed for, and the Chambernnanimottsly ordered it
to be closed.
" The Reporter will be heard to-morrow, at
noon.—Adjourned. •

" PARIS, DEC. 20.—The Cour Royale of Mal'
pellier having put in accusation .11adarne Mansvi
on the charge of being in the house of Bancal 9‘t
the time of the assassination of M. Fualdes,
Maving sent the affair before the Court of As.silei
of Rhodez, the Court of Cessation, at its 004
of yesterday, on the motion of the King'i
curette to the Court of Assizes of Rhodez, hash
rected Madame Manson to be tried before 06
Court of Assiz r of ALIA, on account of the CO'
nection of the charge against her with that agah't
Bastide, Jausion, tkc.

‘-` The affair of the Sieur de Maubreoil CO
menced yesterday before the Cour Royale

Dou.ly.

" FIVE PER CENTS.

4, Friday..

. f. 85c."

As the:l:rids of Mr..llorm are now coneltitleas
they are now proper objects of animadversil
The acquieScence which we are bound to
unto the' verdict of, a 34ry, as law at resell'
stands,, may forbid our looking back on the
but it is the strongest reason fol. our looking P l.'
wart: to the future. Recently, Great Britain leas
suffered a dreadful visitation. The Preacbc'i
have called it a judgment upon National Profal)e.
!less. Let us beware that we do Dot, by the 00'6
offence, incur another such punishment !--(3°17
and his Ordinances have been derided. Tna LAI
said, that the derision is punishable.—Suratis 9r'Y'
that it cannot be punished. There is no sobV
nary benefit or p-rivilege which is valuable for
own sake.—That vt hick encourages and sanctio°
profaneness, loses its value; by so touch as
poral liberty is less estimable than spitituail 1'1';
rity.—The late Verdi6ts are a practical comino4
on the principle—that Juries are judges of laid 'l3
well as or fact —They are not obliged to take d
Law from the Court, which can alone uNde; s,!O
it. Evidence relates to fact only, and wildt.oi'

utisundititand,hiyand the fact ti;bich St places
before [befit nriderttand Trot the law on
'which they 'deciJe. They lave not _been eancated
to it. It is 'reproach au tradesmen that they
tlo not 'understand the law.. Whether Mr. HoNna
intended dr not, To ridicule the "Scriptnres and the
Litany, formed no Taft of trae`rinestiOn. The
enquiry was, whether he Vid ridicule them. When
Lord DACRE -went nut with the 'intent .of deer-
stealing, add a man wag Slain in his company, he
was hanged for the murder whiCh Was not in his
intent. When .006 K, the Barristet, wars tried fur
maiming Mr.. COSPB, armed—just like Mr.
lioNit—that his intent was to kill, not to mobit.—
But the Court replied, -tht tbey 'Sate to try his
act, not his intent.: that the intent,'which 'could 'not

be accomplished without the act, was concurrent
With the act, and the act with the intent.—Lord
DACES was banged—Mr. Cook was hanged
Mr. HONE is acquitted !! —Respect to GOD is
abOve all earthly obligations,., Its future Preser-
vation, therefore, ought not to be sacrificed for
the Trial by .Im.y Hancient as that institution
stitay be, or however valuable, and none can
hold it in higher, estimation than we do, but
we reverence sacred obligations still more.—
Irreligion began the. French Rebellion. It was
its lever.—Wikhout irreligion, the Throne and
he Altar of France mild not have been over-
turned. 'Dial by Jury is ti great privilege :—not,
however, to be put in competition with'-the Na-
tional
.Piety. it were almost better to see' even

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the odious STAR CHAMBER restored, than the int-

punity of profaneness legalises!•. The PROTESTANT
ESTABLISHMENT is another great privilege :—yet
we had rather see the Shackles of Popery re-
placed, forbiddmg the perusal of the Scriptures,
and elevating the Inquisition, titan blasphemy,
and impkty and protatienesa, ascendant and stalk-
ing abroad in hull and legal freedom. We cannot
state our horror against salt evils in a stronger
point of view. Lesser things must be surrendered
for the greater.

LIBERTY is a great thing, com-
pared Wirb• things 'Which are lesser :—hut, cone,-
pared with;treater things, it is small, Cumpated
with Itstiottoi, it is "'dust in the balance
Let us not be di iven into the alternative.

An absurd tumour has been circulated in the

City this morning, Of a change of Ministers,
which, together with mber reports, have had
their intended effect, that of lowering the price
of the Funds. The depression this morning has
been seriously felt by iarge Fund-holders, and
such was the eagerness to sell, that at a time when
.3 per Cent. Red. '*as at 80f,
.an eminent. Broker
offered tbOrratBo3. They were afterwards offered
to the Conufiissioners at tiCq. ' of I
per cent. from the piice at which the market
opened ; hut at one o'clock Reduced were 81, and
Consols 82, for the opertiihg.

nig QtJEEN•—Yesterday morning, at a quarter
before 7 o'clock, the QUEEN and. the PaiNcess
ELizAst-rn left Bath, on their route to Windsor.
Two carriages and four, with part. of the House-
bold, set forward so early as half-past • five
o'clock. The Queen and Princess travelled in the
old chariot of the King's, and were immediately
preceded by the Countess of llehester and, Lady
Melville, General Sr H. Campbell, and Col Des-.
browv, in a carriage and four ;- and followed by
the Queen's landau and four horJes, with Col. Ste-
venson, Madame Beckendort and :Miss Beckendort.
The Royal Party passed On at a rapid pace, On
their airival at Maidenhead, duff turned off on the
right throngh Bt ay, 'awl arrived at the Castle at
Windsor at half-past six o'clock•

The PRINCESS CHARLOTTE.—Evcry thing that
in the slightest degree relates to this beloved.cha-
racrer, must always be interesting to the Public.
Welheeefore feel -a melancholy pleasure in an-
notmeng a MEDAL that has just been struck,
which, altogether exhibits the best likeness of this
lamented PRINCESS that .11as' perhaps yet been
seen 0,1 one side ,is a prominent head, face
tbree•quarters, elegantly, but chastely ornament-
ed. Tile reverse contains au allegorical repre-
sentation of the loss. which the Country has-sus,
taiued:—A broken pillar typifies the death of the
PRINCESS. Another, erect, .denotes the pruNcE
REGENT. BRITANNIA, Weeping, with her hair di-
shevelled, and her helmet on the ground, with.
the British Lion, appears on one side. A cora-
mated urn, on a part of which is'a rose-branch,..
the flower-broken off, completes the -allegticy,
and altogethee constitutes a beautiful work. of
. Art, as well as a-due tribute to. departed excel-
.lence. This work is liononrable to two British
Artists, WEBB, tvlio executed the portrait, and
MILLS, who formed the allegoty. The work is
brought forward by Mr. MUDIE, the enterprizing-
rroprietor Of the admirable series of National
Medals.

The Majestic, and rholnas steam-boats ark now
employed in. towing outward bOund vessels down
the River to Gravesend, i,gainst wind and ,tid-e.
Yesterday 'the .Batl. of LIVERPOOL, arrived in
town front 'Worcester.

Lord CASTLEREAGH has been closely confined
at his Office for several (lays past upon, business.
The Noble Lord is expected to leave town the
latter end of the week, on a visit to the PRINCE
REGENT,at Brighton.
The Duchess of \VELLINGT arrived in tOn'D
yesterday[from France.