The Sun.
London, England, 1819-11-30 00:00:00

COMNIFITEE OF St'PPLY.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER then
moved the Order of the Day for the House re-
solving itself into a Committee of Supply.
The Speaker accordingly left the Chair, and
the House resolved itself into the said Commit-
tee, Mr. Biogden being in the Chair.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER observed,
that, as a debate was expected upon a most inte-
resting question, he should at prest-nt metely
move, that a supply should be granted to his
Majesty,

Mr. PascoE GRENFRLL took the opportunity of
addressing a few words to the Right Hon. Gen-
tleman. He had been informed that the defieienry
in the consolidated fund for the quarter ending
Oct. 8, 1819, exceeded 8,250,0)0/. sterling.—
That there bad been a deficiency of 1,000,0001.,
2.000,0001., or 3,000,0001., would not have sur-
prised him ; but that there should hare been a
deficiency of so large a sum as 8,000,0001 quite
staggered him, and made it requisite that be
should call upon the Right Hon. Gentleman Op-
posite to give an explanation of the cause of it.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, in reply,
stated, that the concise question which bad been
pit to him should be answered in a manner
equally concise. The lion. Gentleman had stated,
that there was a deficiency in the Consolidated
Fund for the quarter ending the Bth Oct. of eight
millions ; but in this point he was mistaken.
There was an actual surplus for that quarter; the
deficiency was caused by the accumulated at rears
of several quarters, arising front the consoliddtion
of the English and Irish Treasuries, and amount-
ell to six millions. Though the deficiency was
inferior to what it had been last year, it was only
right to state, that in the October quarter there
was generally a surplus. The total amount of the
Revenue for the October quarter in this year fell
short of what it bad been in the same quarter last
year, by 1,100,0001., but exceeded that of the
sante quarter in 1815, by a considerable sum.
There was a deficiency of 900,0001. under the
head of Customs, which arose partly front the
stagnation of Hack, whose causes had been so
fully explained by the Committee appointed to
examine into the affairs of the Bank, and partly.
from sonic recent consolidations of the customs,
which first took place in the July varter. There:
was also a deficiency in the excise, amounting to
100,0001., though (as we understood him to say)
it had considerably increased on the preceding
quarter. After the first tew 11,sys after Pairliatnent
met, there was always an increase to a consider-
able amount.

Mr. BttoGoEtg then left the Chair, and brought
up the Report„and the House resumed.
INTERNAL STATE OF THE COUNTRY.
On the motion of Lord CASTLERECAGII, (tie fol-
lowing passages front the Speech of his Royal
Highness the Prince Regent, mere read
" I
regret to have hero under the necessity of
calling you together at this period of the year ;
but the seditious practices so long prevalent in
some of the manufacturing districts of the coun-
try have Been continued with increased activity
since you were last assembkd in Parliament.

" They have led to proceedings incompAtible
with the pnblic tranquillity and with the peace-
able I):.thits. of the industrious classes of the com-
munity s and a spirit is nosy fully maniteyed,
utterly hostile to the Constitution Of this king-
dom, and aiming; not only at the change of thoe
political institutions which have hithertocow.ritut-
ed the pride and security 9f this euutitYy, but at

ll
the subversion of the 'tights of propc'r.ty and of 3
order in society.
" I have given directions that the neces"ll
information on this subject shall be laid betel.°
you ; and I fed it to be my indispensable duty t°
press on ),our immediate attention the considera"
tint) of such measures as may be required for the ,
counteraction and suppression a a system
which,
effectually checked, must- bring confusiou

anti ruin on the nation.
" Upon the loyalty of the great body of tlie
people 1 have the most confident reliance; bat r
will require your Inmost vigilance anti exertion..
collectively and individually, to check the disse"
[flirtation of the doctrines of treason and impietYe
and to impress upon the minds of all classes or
his Majesty's subjects, that it is from the cultiya;
lion of the principles of religion, and front a i"s
subordination to lawful authority, th at WC c'39
alone expect the continuance of that Divine f"'
voer and puotectiott which have hitherto been 1G
signally experienced in this kingdom."
Lord CASTLEREAGH, in rising to submit to the
horse those measures which in the judgment °f
his Majesty's Ministers it was necessary to sub-
mit to Patliameut, felt that in the-course of. 1119
Parliamentary life he had never risen under ciP.
comstances more painful and lAMrp awful; Paine.
fttl, the House ‘vould.go,slung with him in fedii►.
them to be, because they imposed upon- 011:
the duty of proposing measures of restric'e
lion anti coercion ; and 0a awful, on acce,
of the difficult, or, to speak out, the th+o;
gerous situation in evhich the country
placed-, and which made them necessaey. Pell;
forming this task, Miuisters felt, that while he
House, and every loyal subject in the country(
had a right to claim from them such tneesures i
should effectually protect their persons, their Ora;
perry, and
_the Constitution, fruits all the risks I
which they were at present exposed,—on the otb,egt
hand, the House had a right to expect that I°h
i Government should propose no measures but sac
as were conceited in the spirit of the Consciuy•
lion node'. which they hell the happiness tO libe;
That sacredlninciple which gave the subject
right of petitioning fur the redress of any
once of which he might have to .coinpleitii
ters were bound to protect ; and he could assi'tt
the House that they were most anxious to direr
their measures: against the abuse to be cortecteu.
and which menaced the most valuable of the rights
of the subject with extinction, if not arrested
its course, without affecting his privileges,
indeed, it was their object to save from the Peik
which threatened them with annihilation. .s`'c
were his views, and such were those of the Lit);
vernmeot, and in ueltildiog them to the 110o5e Lie
looked for a large pottion of that sepport which
hoped to receive from those Gentlemen who diller,el
from Ministers in their general policy, but o'''t
were not less aoxions to detcet the unpriociPe‘ e
attempts of the. disaffected, and to purge the 1"Ila',
ul those effesions of sedition and blasphemy `vile,
which it bad been deinged. The House svtiuee
expect from him a detail of the metasures
adopted, and he would eodeevour to furnish die'
rse
with one as-ample as they could desire to recd
lie
As some of the treasures woeld otiginare the
of House of 'Parliament, lie might bold
self relieved from the necessity of describing the
hut he thought it best to call•their atteatioo
tj
them as a ‘choile, that they shonld not be cane
jr
ono° to decide on one of the measure! prop"f''
Ptt
without being fully enabled to see its corineY.l(l:e
with the rest, and the bearing of the whole 0".t1,1
present situation of the country. He sheitte
I hereafter feel hominid to support every C'"
s ion to which Ministers had come ;. t-It
tine
the present iosteuce, to save the time 9t aF
House, he might be allowed to essenie
these %vete admitted. lie would assume,
that great danger menaced the country, and tles•
in emiseanence extraordinary efforts were lice-d
ears on the part of Patliameut, - This he cv`?tve
assume from the statement which appeared in °tie
part of the Speech of his Royal Highness
Prince Regent, that it had been seeu that a Ote,
of disaffection was in activity, which was ioecta:ca
patible with the Constitution, arid which lit
ct
went to menace all the rights of society, sit tl efvoel
the principle on which piopetty was secuted,
consequently the very existence of society itsrce
This position be considered to be fortified cee„t
by the language of the amendment which a 111"ie
Hon. Gentleman had moved to the Addressti
,‘ bleb that Right Hots. Gentleman called 00
self
House to give a general pledge (pledeing
to no particular measure of course),. 11°1 .Ilse
would maintain the constitution against all
te,
machinations of the disaffected. He was ntiasilf
over fortified in it by the, resolutions come t "aeJ
large bodies of the. Magistrates of Lencasitire „,..
Cheshire, and by (hose of the Graud Jury of 'lO
caster. If further support were neceasal
maintain his assumption, it would be found it ems
language of .a Lord Li!_utettaut of a Co'l°,l,o
large, as populous, and as wealthy, as art)' rn erg
khogdom, who had deseribed things in t her
of the country in wchic!,lie found himself ag eta/
der ing on riot and rebeliion. Afros her .most C
petent judge (the Member for renton) tl'i(i ;
de'
T or
dared the system now acted upon oot °
had grown tip to such magnitnda, that it b:
host
the duty of that House to put it (lour
delay, as, if it did not do so, the cootionanco tee
the present state of thieg
;. amid
would pit:. down eef*
great interests of the countryd the inter die
of none would be more fatally, effected bciate
change than those o-t time poor deluded PenPileafteC
now caused the present td3rm. He trusteo,,a
such statements had been made, that it won:eic
seen that Government, in the performance t'teaett
ditty, had et) eboireleft to them, boc were h
meet
to come forward with measures &Arlie& nastii
the immionnt danger which menaced all the. oe
notions of the country. While desctibi°g, tv'S
magnitude of the peril- on the one hand ,b , tI
be
n
anxiousnxiouS that it should not be exiaeger'ite(l o
be
other. He did not wish the picture that
105 01'
drawft to he faked) its 111-at of the grotr,rlaelicy
the empire. Such it Was not, for he fe`tcaottl
iheal pride in asserting, that part of thie„d
with which he was corrnected, that °a-it o (
:st"
very few local exceptions, lied never ettic'):(r
of greater internal tranettillity, and he n'l4:' title
greater prosperity. Long might she couttod
tt
Loug might sheeontinue toted the cal"e
pot lance of that constitutionel position

tiatC'
5 (

Sly
"Rd at last hail the grind sense to place
h-1111''elnielt he doubted (nor woiild prove the source of
t"it'nerous benefits to her,while it entitled her to the
confileece of the Sister Country. In Great
e !hank lie was happy to say 'best important CX-
-1,,e!"i°118 were to be made. The agricultural in-
, "est of this country never enjoyed a season of
Iteatee eepese, and he hoped it was rapidly re-
e" snug from the depression which had been ex.
etieneed in former years.---(Cries of " No,
!")----Nl'lten he said this, he was not insensible
the dißeuhies wt ith which the landed interest
Still to contend ; but comparieg its present
i:tuation with that in which,,at no distant period,
had been seen, be thought he was warranted
hri expressing himself in the language which
e had used, Considering nothing so iniport-
a4t as that •the subject should be stripped
Fall
exaggeration, he was bound to stare, that
Chen in the menufacturing districts, he believed
b-e loyal were sufficiently strong to put down),
tY themselves, the disaffected ; but this could
be effected without risk of great devastation,
iitia ?Ind Wisely. It was not for the State that
but it was for the inhabitants of cer-
tain districts, who hail claims on the Government
91* Protection, and for the deluded Reformers
t} !art ; and on these grounds he called for
4Y lfl-aw to support the law and to guard against (he
o
' of it threatened rebellion. 'phis being the
• •
tisit!on, it would be hereafter for the House to
'etuss what were our future prospects, and what
causes of the present situation of the country,
Rd on these Copies i,e ..hould then have it difficulty
sit stating what were his opionions. At the prey
moment he thought it right to say that he
t
1-911lii not discover that the market for our itolus-
14' li;td been narrowed either at home or abroad.
home it had certainly increased, and abroad
ere was 110 defalcation but in one instance,
‘,„ 'lch was well calculared• to teach the deluded
trim who were ever complaining of the system of
vernment established in this country, a setlu-
,,n•arY leesOu. The American market was the only
e. that had failed us. It was there—in a cowl.
t'
ttY govereed under a system which meny in
4nr:lend believed it was only necessary to
111('Pr here to relieve us from all our bur.
;111--it was in America that the greatest
'B'tess Was found 10 exist, and there our
14)14tnerce had experienced failures which were
Itt/likonwo in Europe. There had cer:ainly
t•teo a depression felt in various "branches of our
`"le from the termination of the war, I).t these
.I.e no more than were to be expected in the
:"Ponem course of thines, and ro these time alone
Pild riling all effected remedy. He was confi-
'ent that no sober-minded rational man could for
11-.lftiotnent believe that they were to be removed
th 7 'HIV Parliament. lie would now proceed to
ten-ust important object of the night, to the re-
-411 edies which' his Majesty's Ministers proposed
ePply to the evils complained of. In stating
11:ile't he would name them in the order in which
I,,e.stfr'e tine country seemed no call for them.
"'eY divided themselves iota five heads. He
begin with that which was roost pressing
4L-ti h uanti
Point on te', name Oust last which Was
t
important with a view to tranquilliz-
lng the emelt ry. Tbe first snbject was the
40-tuitin's met:title's. which load become com-
Ivil`"le which were marked with a character
°ll3t different from that of peaceful delibera-
t eod with peculiatities never known in this
"ntry till very lately, but which had been, but
n" well 'town to a neighbouring kingdom. The
01ennd subject was that pert of the systemof the
43lfeCted, which, if not checked, would lead to
4"1,s the most eaten eively mischievous ;—he
tee
t aot tine training to iniitary exercises, which
i!'"ltr have no obj'et in view but rebellious
ul'o, if they were nut restrained in time. The
rtrd was apical character, d went to
itimare a an
‘e Nlegistranes the ext reordinar y powers eon-
i(leql rhein by. an Act passed in the year ISI2,
c 44 eornbled them to search for and seize arms,
htte they had a right to believe they were se-
a
e'ed for 'improper pot posts. The fourth noon-
Fe woald go to ensure the more speedy admini.
r'rlroit of juetice in certain) cases, and parnieu-
billilY o expedite the trials of those charged with
44denteronours. The tvetat to affect that great
tliJ Most important engine, the Press, but only
'at part of it, which, in contradiction to tine
eitieral Peas of the country, he might be allow-
to cell the treasonable, blasphemous, and
o“litious branch of tine Press. In the first in-
aoce, he roust cell on the. [louse to form an idea
of
the abstract li.ne which ought to he drawn. No
qa
ted• .
• 'venial could have a greater respect than Inc
ti d for the tight of English subjects to cauy
Petitions to Parliament, or to the foot of
there
Throne : but it now became necessary to look
Ivaishe mode. which this shoulti, he done, and it
.thlieCessarV that common law and cormob
ose (which did not often run very wide asunder)
rld interfere to prevent that abuse of the right
i,e4fi_Petitioning which n-nuld lead to a sanguinary
!lee ftrst instance, and ultimately end'
t„ a' military tyranny. He lamented that such
Tecautions should be necessary as were now to
Proposed, but necessary they had become.
• "is would he seen from the incautious way in
Ith;
' c the right of petitioning had been laid down,
what might be caked an official document,
fled by Thistlewoott, which in all probability
*to
" not issued but on the best rtvical proles-
advice. In that it was 'stated (het he
(4-histlewood) knew. of no law that could prevent
e_ooo---10,000-100.000—or 1,000,000 of per.
1\143. front assembling armed or unarmed, and no
14glStrate; it went ten to sly, could touch them
elf nthey struck sonic blow. Now, lie would ask,
losLilis Ought common law or inn common sense
Yelled
permiried ? It such a meeting could he or•
If:tilled in tine presence of the Magistrates, while
eY Ii ad not the power of interfering with the
• '" multitude, tine laws, on the very face
them would be an absurdity. Ought the
("my uo be convulsed, and tine loyal and • „•eac
eable thrown into alarm whenever these
.11,illtleMen thought proper to call a meeting ?
'
alarm lie -did not mean an i:rational terror,
eht that reasonable apprehension which imposed
14), 'them the necessity of shirting up their
and suspending tine exercise of their' ito-
-It.'airY to guard their property from outrage.
Itt t'his to be eudured, and ought it to be suf-
that multitudes should be carried such a dis-

? ranee to attend meetings, as some had recently
been ritarched ? The minds of the louver orders
in this country, were inflamed by artful tales
about sinecures and p-nsions, and told that if
, these were dOne away, all their grievances would
he at an eed. He would take upon himself to say;
that if the sinecures which have not yet been
aloilished were done away—if the whole pensiOe
list were surrendered to their wishes, that the be-
nefit derived would not in ten years give
the Manchester cotton spinner who can earn
30s. a week, the ss. which he wastes in one day
of idleness to attend a Reform Meeting. This he
could prove to demonstration, and with equal
case could he 'show, that if the Reformers could
succeed in their dishonest and destructive scheme
of annihilating the National Debt, that the with-
drawing of the interest of 29,000,0001. of money
from general circulation, though it might relieve
some who •eow contribute largely to the taxes,
Would depress the maikets of the country, ang•
melt the general distress, and carry ruin to the
humble cottage as well as to the Mansion of the
great. Was it, he worth', ask, consistent with good
sense that the Magistrates should witress the as-,
semblieg of a'n immetese armed force without the
power of checking it ? If this were so, whet be-
came of that principle of law, "Bellum leviatim
Benton percussion." lie considered that in such
circionstanCes the Magistrates were hound to iii.
tertere. If the House had done no other good,
the debates which had taken place had rendered
an important service to the country, by dissipat-
ing the motions that had grow abroad on the
soltjsct of the legality of surds meetings. Di eply
indebted were the Ministers and the Country to
one Right lion. Gentleman who sat on the op-
posite side of the House, for carrying to their aid
not only his high legal authority (and higher
there was none), but also his eloquence and his
great powers of reasoning, which on this import-
ant subject had not failed to early conviction to
the hearts of all whoeheard him. The silence of
other ornaments of the Profession oui the other
side of the House was not less eloquienr iu favour
of that decision which :slinisters had come to on
this branch of the question. Beyond this nothing
teas wanting to give weight to their opinion. lie
hiiefly noticed the language of some of the
speakers on the Address, with respect to public
meetings, and on this subject they haul now only
to learn the sentiments of one great law autho-
tity,-and these he understood they might hope to
he favoured with to-morrow. He Would how-
ever say, that if any mail could doubt whether
or not meet ings such as he haul described
were legal or illegal, it was high time for Parlia-
ment to take care that this embartassment
should he felt no more. In framiog the re-
medies, the first object was to get such a descrip-
tion of enactment as should suit the characteris-
tics of the meetioto attainst which their mea-
sures were directed. The »umbers in which the
dis-itietted met—the system acted upon—the cir-
cumstence of their sending persons from one dis-
trict to another to wake disconteut, where no
grieyances'had previously been felt, and the prac-
tice of meeting simultaneously, were all to he
borne in mind. It was well • known. that it hail
been the el au of the Radicals to meet simultane-
ously (and they had been very near effecting this)
and then 'meeting armed in so many places that
the military could not watch them all at once, it
was their Object not to separate till by physical
force their purpose should be accomplished. The
sacred right of the subject to petition he would
preserve, but this right he world have exercised
in the way in which it had always been exercised
till very lately. He would call on the lioese to
do nothing that would operate against the ancient
right of the people to petition, under the protec-
tion, and with the sanction of the Magistrates, or
the other Conatititted Authorities of the land. He
on the contrary, give increased facilities
to this 'node of petitioning. For other Meetings,
if called, it .was but reasonable that they should
meet under circumstances that gave a sort of
prima facie security against outrage; for the
House might rely on it, that unless the liberty of
the country conk be peaceably upheld, those li-
berties must perish. Two modes sue gest ed them-
selves of correcting inmulttetry meetings—a local,
aud.a numerical regulation. *it did mot enter in
any degree into the views of Government to re•
thece meetings to a number that might have the
effect of chilling discussion. l'he object was to take
•a criterion which would not infringe on the right of
assembling-, and at thee same time would prevent the
possibility of its abuse. The tneasure world pro-
vide in the first piece ; that, with the exception of
County meetings, of those of Corporations or call-
vd by certain Magistrates,all other meetings should
assemble on the notice of a certain number of
(keys being given to the Magistrate, and within
their own parishes. That was the natural place
where meetings should be held, and where all the
purposes of discussion might most effectually be
carried into effect. With respect to the impro-
priety of allowing large Numbers to ;assemble, he
appealed to the sentiments of a Noble ',old,
whose authority would not be suspected in that
House (Lord Erskine), and who, in a late work,
had publicly declared, that, holding the right of
meeting sacred as lie did, be telt no difficulty in
stating that nothing could be more obviously use-
less and dangerous to the country than the ast.em-
bling of large multitudes. In confining; meetings
to their respective parishes, it became necessary
to make it a misdemeanour for nonresidents to
he present at such meetings. There were in all
England about 30 very populous parishes ; When
he said popelons parishes, he meant that they
contained 20,000 inhabitants, or perhaps more..
In such cases, he would propose that they should
be divided, into distticts, embracing a population
of not less than 10,000. This, he trusted, would
show that Government did not iutend to seduce
meetings in such a manner as to destroy their po-
pular character. They would, on the contrary,
become better fitted for the purposes of discus-
sion, at the same time that they would cease to be
attended with danger. ().rie hundred thousand
peusous would no longer assemble, and those in-
dividuals who reduced grievance-making into
a trade, would no longer have it in their power
to travel about the land, arid poison the minds
of men who did not feel diet they live under a
mild system of Government.—(Hear, hear, hear!)
—lt would also be necessary to prevent the

attention of Maejstrates from being distracted
by simultaneous toeeti'n'gs on the same day. For
that purpose, it would be required of the persons
calling meetings to giVe notice of their intention
six days beforchwid to the Magistrate, in order
that he should have time to consider. Ile shoold
alSo be invested with the pOwer, within four deys
of that fixed for assembling, to change both the
time and place, if he 'should find it proper, so as
to defeat any plan which might have been formed
to create confusion. The tumultuary character of
meetings would thus be removed, and the system
of itinerant orators destroyed. -There was ano-
ther object, one of first-rate importance, which
it Was also necessary di attain. Meetiogs Must
he sit ipped of that character, which till now had
never been a British character, and which present-
ed an armed assemblage, demanding rather that,
petitioning for redress. It was necessary that no
individual 'gain;; co petition should giVe his vote
io arms, or butler threateniug symbols, but with
that respect thre to the pea'ce of the country, the
dignity of I4alliathent, and the integrity of the
Constitution.- There would be a distinct clause
on that sobjsct, to prevent people from going
with any description of arms to Meetings, to alarm
he loyal subjects of his Majesty.. Such a clause
might he a new one in this country, because such
X Character had never before applied to au En-
glish Meeting. It. would be made general to all
assemblies of that nature, because even a County
Meeting hail lately been disgraced by all the wea-
pons and signals of Radicalism.—(Hear, hear,
hear !)—There was one point on whichehe should
propose no law ; it was the part which wo-
men had borne in the late transactions, for he
trusted that it would he sufficient to restrain diem
from similar conduct in future, to let them know,
that when the French Republicans were carrying
on their bloody orgies, they could find no female
to join them except by ransacking the bagnios
and public brothels. No mrtal, in the British
Metropolis had appeared among the ranks of the
Radicals, and he trusted that the native modesty
and mental purity of our countrywomen would
keep them pore from inch deep pollution.—(Heat,
hear 1)---The Bill which lie should propose would
therefore require six days' notice to be given to
the Magistrate before a meeting; wmild invest the
Magistrate with the power of changing the day
and place within four days of its being held; would
compel the assembly to take place- within the
patish, and would make it an illegal offence for
non•residents to attend ; or for persons to come
with arms or revolutionary symbols, giving a
French character to British transactions. The
Magistrates veotild of course be empowered to
seize such persons, and take them away from the
meeting; for, to render the measure effective, it
was necessary to strengthen tire hands of the Ma-
gistracy, that they might resist the inroads of
people not belonging to their parish. He did net
mean that they should turn out any individual
whom curiosity might have led to the spot ; but
if the influx of strangers had a tendency to en-
danger the peace, or change the nature of the
meeting, they should real a proclamation, order-
ing all strangers to withdraw. If this proclama-
tion was not obeyed, they might then pronounce the
meeting to be illegal, arid dissolve it. A quarter of
an hour would be allowed for the strangers to re-
tire, and half an hour for the meeting to disperse.
It after that date more Ow twelve individuals
were found assembled, he should not propose to
make it felony with death (Hear, hear, hear !),
but a'clergyable felony----(llear, hear, hear !).—lf
the gallant General (we suppose Sir lohert Wil-
son) hail read tire Acts of Parliament attentively,
he would find that the principle of the Riot Act
had been followed.—He now should come to
the second measme which .it was intended. to
propose. Its object was to prevent the training
and drilling of the people. Meetings for that
purpose were abhor rent to our Constitution, and
required to be put down. The Bill would treat
them as illegal, and liable to be dispersed, and
would hesides attach crime to the parties. There
would be. however, a distinction between the
drilling. and the drilled, for the drillers must he
considered as the more intelligent and climinal of
the two. He rejoiced, on this occasion, to he
able to state, that although in one or two in-
stances old soldiers had been found acting, their
Offence had not been imitated, and nothing could
be more exemplary than the conduct of those who
having first taken up arias in the service of their
country, had been the first at the return of peace
to lay them down,—(Hear, hear, hc'ar !)—The
punishment for this offence wet& not be confined
to fine and imprisonment, but transportation
would not be too severe a visitation for those
who could so far forget their duty. The state of
the country also demanded that Magistrates should
immediately be entrusted with great power for the
detection of arms, and a measure should be pro-
posed to accomplish that object. No principle
could be more congenial to the spirit of the laws,
and no measure more called for by the sit miatirsit
of the country, than one which would render the
administration of justice more prompt. Pint in-
dividual charged with a crime which affected his
life, was immediately put upon his trial 5 but in
cases of mistlemeanoors,abe accused had it in his
power to postpone his trial, so as to defeat,
the ends of justice, perhaps for a year and a
half. It would be the object of the new measure
intended to be proposed, to make regulations
teuding to place trials for misdemeanours more
nearly on the same footing as those for capi-
tal offences. lie said more nearly because there
were rights belonging to individuals on which be
was desirous not to infringe. The object of •the
new law would be to reduce the time as much as
possible, without reducing those rights. On this
point it was unnecessary for him to enter into any
farther explanations ; but he should add, that the
measure would be connected with another, which
the state of the country, he trusted, justified
his Majesty's Ministers in bringing forward,
and which should 'consist iii an attempt at realizing
the intention which they had long entertained,
of facilitlying the Administration of Justice in
the country—(gear, hear, hear !)—by -some
regulation respecting the going Judges. The
long interval bet weer) Autumn and Spring ocea-
shined a suspension of justice, and they had in
contemplation to create a system by which an
.Assize might be given.—(Lieur, beet, hear !)-11
siould be seen, that with respect to the iialivi-

duals charged with a misdemeanor in the (horrify
of Lancaster, Government had ate ed with I onl-
able lenity in not sunning down a Zpecial Com-
misSion, which would hate preteored them trona
potting off their trial as they had done. He now
came to the r»eaure which he had Lept for the
last, because he considered it, in every constitu-
tional point of view, the most important. Gre.rt
danger arose to the country from the seditio as and.
treasonable Press, at which hr intended to point
the present measure. As the law now stood, it
was incredible what a mass of crime, political and
r was committed. It was impossible
to arrest the torrent of perverse reasoning ad-
dressed- to the lower orders unless a system of
counteraction was speedily adopi ed. Wit haut
that, not only would the other lota,ures
proposed prove inadequate, but the mind of the
coanti y wool!! !lever settle down in contetement
and peace. On tire othe'r hand, he could not con-
ceive that the country could he great, happy, and
flourishing, uuless it possessed a free press,—
(Hear, hear, hear !)—But it it could not !coder
a tree press compatible with peace, morality, and
religion, it would be swept away by a atOrntanost
terrible and destructive. He would a4t.nothing
that could shake the two great of a tree
press.—(Hear, heat, hear l)----No man sioauld be
prevented from publishing his own sentiments to
theovorld, on his own responsibility:lly a pre-
vious censorship,—(blear, hear, frosU the Oppo-
!)—and nothing should he done to affect the
trial by Jury, or the law of the 1111(1,—(l-Icor,
hear, he,ir ! front the Opposition)—as applied to
libel. Juries should contoole to decide what was
libel.—(lleac, hear, hear !) —The resolutions
would only apply a salutary remedy to the abases
of the Press. They would render it a real ser-
vice, for nothing tended more to degrade its dig-
nity thou the use to which it bad lately been pot.
Neither did he expect any serious opposition to Iris
measure, for Ire should not open a new principle
to Patliatneot. He (ily proposed to sustain the
existing lass of the land, and to punish and re-
press a frond, which had been long in operation,
though he knew trot how it was introduced, and
which had injured the respectable and regular
newspapers, and thrown the circulation into the
hands of those who had nu character, and no re-
spectability, but whose aim was to diffin,e poison
among the people —(Hear, hear, hear !)—He
alluded to the law which imposed a st,mp ott
newspapers, and to its evasion by the minor pub-
lications. By the stamp Laws advettiserneots
paid a certain and separate duty. The vamp oil
the paper itself applied to the rest of its contents.
Some pamphlets of a smaller kind were also sub-
ject to a 'trifling (boy, and were rioted on
stamped paper. Thus Cobbett had for many
years used stamp paper, and sold his Register
at 10d. or Is. ; but he afterwards gave tip stamps,
and reduced the price of his paper to 2d, He
should propose to follow the legitimate con-
clusion of the law as it now stood, and to
counteract the traud committed on the Re-
venue, and towards other Newspapers, by coo-
sidtriug all publications and foonphlets trot
exceedwg ttvo sheets, and containing news, intel-
ligence, or political strictures, in the light of
newspapers, and coming within the meaning of
the &amp Act, which they had hitherto evaded.
This, he conceived, would restore the public cis-
ciliation to rise respectable newspapers, or force
the minor publications to pay what was due to
the country. The second regidation which lie
should propose, would be also on a principle al-
ready established anti recognised by the late of the
bud, which declared that every publication must
cuntjn the name of its printer or poidisher, itt
order that be may be amenable to justice. He
wished for nothing more titan tosprevent that
disposition of the law from proving nugatory,.
"The mischief was, that as matters now stood,
the real author sheltered himself by putting;
forward some wretched vagabond, who for a
miserable hire, took upon himself ail the re-
sponsibility and the chances of prosecu:ion.
He bail thus beard of art individual, who,
whilst under the sentence of the law, laughed
at the idea of its being an impediment to tire con-
tinuance of his improper avocations, and said,
how can it prevent me when I can find an indivi-
dual for half-a-crown-a-day, who will put his
name to my publication ?—(Hear, hear, bear !)
It was therefore necessary to make the registered
poblisher really responsible to the country.
Newspapers were its themselves from the extent
and ',attire of their establishments, sufficient evi-
dence of the responsibility of alteir owners trod
publishers. But the Act would requ:re all per-
sons setting up minor publications, to deposit a
previous pecuniary security, and equal sums from
those who should go securities for them, to abide
the result of any judgment which the late !night
ant-swards pass upon them, either for libel or
hlasphemy. This would bring out the real per-
son. 'file faggot would cease to be, and the res-
ponsibility would lie where it ought, The third
regulation was one which he conceited necessary
to give effect to the others. It tended to impose
a moderate penalty on all persons selling or
hawking about those publications which were
not duly stamped, or the publishers of which
had not fulfilled the cooditiotts required. The
penalty,
it was intended, should be recover-
able before a Magistrate. He knew that Iris Ma-
jesty's Ministers would be reproached witis not
having instituted more prosecutions against sedi-
tious publications, but that would come with a
very bad grace fronts tire other side of the House,
who could not foreet the notions they bad made
against ex-officio informations. They would con-
tend-that any alteration in the laws was unneces-
sary ; but it was tinder the laws as they now
stood that the mischief had arisen and extended
beyond the leach of contronl. The whole Cou-
ntry felt that it had an imerest, and a deep one, in
seeing the evil effectually counteracted. Besides
the dispositions which he had already explained
its Ilse crew law, witieh it was hoped worthd coun-
teract those evils, a clause would be introduced to
inflict is more ssvere punishment on the repetitiou
of en °those:v. lie meant its repetition after a first
codvioion. By a former Bill, the puoishment
ailixed to this particular kind of offence was trans-
portation for seven years.. This he should not
now propose to make compulsory, but he shoeld
leave it at the optioo of the Judges, in cases
of libel, sedition, ucazon, and blasphemy, to

tr inTort for seven years, or to harsisb for any
they might think proper. For if individuals
sinurd ',pen eyes after haring received the
3,ente.ce he law, it was just to visit them
Nvi'h apt increase of punishment. He 6ati now
st a!,:d the outline of the five mealtires which were
deemed necessary by his Majesty's Government
to meet existing perils. It had also been found
expedient to augment the military force of the
country, in order to give effect to the measures
Vi.hich should be adapted. Ile trusted the state-
r)! t ins which he had laid before the House would
shew ;hat this augmentation of force had bee+)
efrected in the mode Most consonant with the

public interest, and the least expensive to the State.
lleyond what had been done and proposed, it was
grettlying to find that the restoration of tranquillity
would render further defence unnecessary. But
much would depend on the firtrt resolution of
Government, and of the property of the country,
to maintain the authority of the laws, and to show
the disaffected, that, in proportion as they in-
creased their efforts against the Constitution of
the country, the friends of that Const lint ion tinge
merit ed their efforts in its defence. Nathing now
remained for birn to do, but to explain the views
of Government with respect to the duration of the
measures which they now proposed. When the
Legislature called upon the subject to sohmi• to a
certain abridgment of their right to encounter a
particular emergency, it could only require a tem-
porary sacrifice of those rights. It was on this groomd
that when his Majesty's Ministers had felt them-
. selves compelled to propose the Suspension of lite
Ilebeas Corpus Act, it had only been for a time, He
was happy to say that such a measure was not at
present in contemplation. Those which were re-
rominendell did not tend to the suspension of any
riLlo, but to preient the abuse of a liVbt ; it
wos iherefore evident that the ease required a
different pol.ev to he adopted, and that instead of
temporary palliatives, the remedies should be per-
Menent iii their nattite 'With respect to the third
ineafure, !mottled on the Act of 1812, and giving
extreoldinaly power to toe Magistrates to search
fin arms, it would he only local anti tempo-
rary. But if be distinctly nuderstood the nit ore
of the rest, and in particular of that intended to
repress seditious Meetings, it appeared to him
that, ttieV should ire made permanent. He was
nor:areal e the, they infringed on any political
right. He believed them not to touch the liberty
of the Press, but on the contrary to protect them.
He shout therefore not propose that they should
be Until ed in point of time. He did not mean to
deny, however, that should rite Country come
hack to its ancient Constitution, by the game
Dow carried on hating been defeated and grown
hop.-less, those laws might become so inap-
plicahle as to remain ail useless record on our
Stiiete Books. But if Bills narrow ed the tights
of the Country in nothing, but out the con-
trary protected them, is s interests would be in-
pre(' by rieir being made temporary. This had
already been experienced on homer occasions,
when temporary laws had liven applied to the
evils of the times. Had riot individuals watched
for the rising -of Parliament, or the expiration of
those to resume their various and illegal
courses ? Parliament could give no greater secu-
rity to the country than by recording these mea-
sures without limitations. It was called upon to
resist the wild principles prevalent in this and
other Collullies to farm a defence rotund the Cost.
stitntion, and to raise a barrier against its enemies.
How long were the prosperity, the industry, and
the true liberty of the people, to be perplexed
with agitation by those men ? Let the House look
at existing difficulties in the face. Let it adopt
a permanent system—he meant as permanent as
was she character of the evil ; he asked nothing
more. It Parliament affixed limitations to tits
present measures, what agitation would they
not prepare in future for the country ! Let
therefore no limitation be enacted, but let it he
left to the wisdom and prudence of the country,
when these laws should be found useless to repeal
them. At present, he believed they would prove
its safeguard. He regretted that he should have
been compelled to trouble the House at such
length—( Hear, hear, from all sides)—and should
conclude by requesting leave to bring in a Bill,
first for more effectually preventing Seditious
Meetings and Assemblies, and afterwards one for
the better Regulation of the Press. The others
should be introduced into another place—(Hear,
hear, bear !)

The first question having been read front the
Chair,
Mr. TIERgEY said he should rise with much
embarrassment if the Housetexpected, that, taken as he ne-
cessarily bad been, he should be prepared to go into a gene-
ral discussion on the variety of matter introduced by the Noble
Lola into his speech. That Noble Lord had no authority to
state that this side of the House had gone beyond the Ad-
dress in the Amendment which they had proposed. He (Mr.
'l'.) had only said that all must depend on the necessity
shown. He did not deny the possibility of a case being wade
out to justify the propriety of new measures. lint be thought.
the House would not perform its duty if it sanctioned thrm
before such a ea,e had been made out, which he contended
had not been effected. All that was before the House
was the notoriety of certain proceedings; but of the grounds
and motives of those proceedings, it knew absolutely nothing;
and he must say that hr had never seen a snore garbled
and mutilated account.--(Hear, hear'. from the Opposition.)
The Noble Lord had confessed that the mass of the people
was sound and untouched with the spirit of dissaffection
he asserted that at this moment the internal trade of the
country was perfectly good, and that with respect to its k-
ritin trade, nothing was to be apprehended except from the
circunistanres in winch America found herself. When all
was tints made to wear a face of happiness around us, it
turned out on a sudden, that this blest and posperous nation
ought to sacrifice her Constitution on the altar of her safety.
Ail the laws that had protected her hitherto, all her rights,
and all her institutions, suddenly lost their power, and in
addition to ten thousand new sulditrs corps of militia and
armed associations must be formed to protect this thin-
'jilting country. This it was to be nourishing in the
sense of the Noble Lord Let the infatuated Radicals, let
Hunt and is compeers look at the results of their own
proceedings, and see the people about to be delivered,
bound band and foot. It had bcen said that the Whigs
had been excluded from power during fifty years. That
was true, and this was a proof of it. Their opponents had
managed the affairs of the State during that period, and had
hrought them to the present pass, where nothing but disaf-
4,c:riot' was said to exist, and trace laws must be enacted for
its repression—laws founded on principles directly opposed
to the Constittit,on.—Thuse laws were to the tturnher of five.
With respect to that affecting the right of traversing, he con-
that his mind was open to information. Incuovenien-
des night have resulted from the present state of that right,
511(1 the alteration proposed might prove useful. Bitt tie
woutd approach with caution and awe any change in the
I.nig-e•tablished law of the country. With respect to the
Pill a Uthcal fig a beard; for arms, dot the Noble Lord meals
say, that an Euglishman had no longer a right to keep
~.21s fur his own defence ? Such a doctrine mentioned 20
ag., would hate caused the ;:iloude to shudder.

Even were armed torties m welling through th, land,
it could scarcely be borne as a temporary riteasure.—(Here
Lord Castlereagh stated across the. Table that it was `in-
tended to he both local and tempurary.)---The night Hon.
Gentleman then admitted, that it might be proper to en-
act a law to prevent drilling; hut then it must be carefully
expressed, that it Was drilling tar military purposes. Ifs
complained that the new regulations proposed concerning
public meetings would put sit nd to that...got-id Wilitle:o.ne
spirit under -.ie influence of which the country had flourished
for so natty ages. The meetings had been confined to certain
counties, but the new regulations were to be general; this he
considered both impolitic and unjust. When the Nutrle Lord
had spoken of ripe:ring a new system, he hoped it woith have
been olio of conciliation, but it turned out to be one of force
and coercion which would aggravate instead of removing ex-
isting evils. By preventing men from spout hag nonsense from
waggons and they would he turned. into real cols-
51111'ilt ors, :mod the property of the country would never be so
nmeh exposed as by the adoption of the course proposed. lie
contended that notwithstanding the assertions of the Noble
Lord, his olject was to deprive the nation of the broad li-
berty of the press. But it MIS in safe hands, for it was in its
own, and he trusted such lights would be thrown ii?on the
subject as woad prevent the Noble Lurd from being able to
carry his point. He complained that it had bean said no dis-
tress existed except that occasioned lyy the situation of Ame-
rica. and reprobated the addition made to the Army. He re-
commended to the Country to use the right of meeting,
whilst it still continued unshackled, and to send a strong ex-
pression of its feelings to the House. If this was not clone,
and the House passed- the new laws proposed wit hoot more
evids-ace of their necessity, he had lived long enough in that
aturcould Ere of no more service to the country. He
would continue to give his vote, hut not sacrifice himself as
he had hitherto done. He conclutied, by recommending that
some effort slsould be mad:. to conciliate the people.
Lard CASTLEB.EAGIS explaitred.

Lord FoLiccrorla hoped the 1-fonse.would stand
isy the Constitution, and would not see the pillars on which
it st.,,ml [stifled down. by audacious hands.—(Hear, hear,
hear ')--He contended, that the sole object of the Noble
Lard was to lay down the Liberty of the Press, and to pre-
vent all sorts of meetings. He objected to the abolition of
the tight of traversing on charges of misdemeanors, and
complained that whilst. it had hero acknowledged that dis-
atTeetion Lad only broken out in particular parts, the mea-
sures proposed should lie made general anti permanent.
They also asserted, that the injurious and atheistical libels
so long and so widely circulated required to be stopped. If
they thought so„why had they not prosecuted them ? Why
had they suffered them tui proceed so far without interrup-
tion ? Why, hot that they wish, d to get a case of excess,
which should enable Ovum to put down the liberties of the
press? This was the design of Ministers, who never desired
either to stop these putrlieations or the Manchester urectiog ;
and With respect to the latter, as he contended might he de-
duced from internal evidence its the Magistrates' letter,
wished the proceedings to go on that they !night arrest Mr.
Hunt in the face of the multitude. They let the mischief
gr.uw--. bey stuffs-real the storm to gather, till they thought it
would he sufficient to alarm Parliament and the peow,te, and
so induce them to allow those trammels and measures to he
Unposed which were destructive of the liberties of the
country.
Upon t call for the question,

Mr. BROUGHAM rose to state why be was averse
to t Ake the sense of the House on the present occasion. These
measures consisted so much in detail, and parts wets so-
little before them, and they were so little aware of the
shape and extent of the momentous plan to put down
public meetings, that it was impossible to come to a right
determination. There did appear grounds for the utmost
suspicion. It was proposed that before Englishmen could
meet to discuss their rights, t hey must consolt all abstract
of the population of the parish iii which they lived, to ascer-
tain if they could assemble to the number of 10,000, They
!mew nut win-ther this law was to extend to tavern, or
charity, or Bible Society meetings. It was that they
might !rive a dainite idea of those matters that. he implored
Gen .!e rotund ilia] to stiffer the Noble Lord to proceed
;:et, further, acid bring in the Bills. Then—auless be
Loind them accompanied Icy aft the cheeks and limitations
which they seemed so mach to need, anti unless securities were
given to the people—he would oppose this unconstitutional
and uneng tucasure ix lobo; and even if such checks
securities were hromeht forward, lie would reserve it to him.
self to offer what opposition lie thought fit- With regard to
the other measures against the press, admitting that the mis-
chief existed, and that smut: steps might he necessary, still
he would objeCt to the new scheme of :arbitrary power, which
he was ready to contend would, while it checked the gooc,
afford tic> protection against the bad, or remedy for the evil.
Lord HANCLIFFB wlts wore in all, of ex-
pressing his opinion by his votes than by speeches, but in
consequence of what had fallen front the Learned I.;entlesuan,
he would not press a division. Ile must say, however, that
in his enlist:4:llcl! he asougut these measures unjustiSoble %ant
nit notts. _ _

--••-----
LJAma had heard the propomi-n of the
Noble Lovii with the same horror as other Gentlemen neat
him. He wished to ash hi,u, n rather the Smicitor-Clencial,
it the power to traverse was taken away, whether they would
of the people one scintilla of cowpensation, and remove
at the same time the Attorney-Geller:6's power f holding ex-
r!//ifio iiiformations for any lerigth of tin, over the heads of
those thrraten,il with prosee-ntion. They had an opportuni-
ty of offering some tquivalent for the s,rerity of the one
enactment by withdrawing the other severity

No answer heing given to this question, the Gallery was
ared fur a division, but the leaders of !he Opposition went
away, and the oihers did not press the motion. We under-
stand t kat the Bill (far inure effectually preventing Seditious
Meetings and Asseni!divs) was lirongia in and lead a first
time, and the st‘ond reading fixed fur Thursday.—Adjuumed.

LAW INTELLIGENCE.

COULVL' OF KING'S BENCH, Nov. 29.

OLDHAM INQUEST.

THR KING V. VARRAND, ESQ.

rkr
,Aar. oerjeant Coss rose to sliew cause 91411103 t
the rule for a Mali irons to COMpel the detendaut,
one of the C"roners of the County of Lancaster,
to proceed with the Inquest on the body of Leea,
who was alleged to have lout his lite by violence
on the 16th of August last, at Manchester, anti
the Learned Counsel having proceeded at some
length upon the merits of the case,
The COURT called upon Mr. Denman and Mr.
'Tindal, who were on the oilier side, to Bhew first,
whether the inquest in question was legal in its
commencement ; and, second, supposing it %vas
not, whether it bad been made so by the subse-
quent proceedings of Mr. Farraod. From the
statement of the case at the bar, it appeared
that the Inquest had been at first summoned and
sworn by the defendant's Clerk or Deputy, upon
view of the burly of the deceased, and atter sit-
ting several days the proceedings were taken up
by the defendant, who upon an objection being
taken bad the body exhumed, and, contenting him-
self with looking at its face, resumed the loqtrest
without re-swearing the Jury. Now, by law, the
Inquest could not originally have been held by the
Coroner's Deputy. Then, had the Coroner's sub-
sequent conduct legalised the proceedings ? Cer-
taiely not. The law required the Inquest to be
held super visum corpus—the Coroner and Jury be-
ing present at the same time. This had riot taken
place, and as the proceedings were illegal ob
what subsequently occurred would not remove the
objection. It was the duty of the Coroner when
he personally interposed, to have seen the body in
the presence of the Jury—to have the Jury re-
sworn, ant: all the witnesses re-sworn and re-
examined.—This had not been clone, and there-
fore the Court could not grant a Mandamus to
proceed in an inquest which might he afterwards
quashed upon being returned into this Court.
Mr.DNtiMAN and Mr. TINDAL confessed that they
were t:Alleu by surprise by the course ‘vhich the
C4se had taken; but they submitted :Lat it was

not necessary for the Coroner and the Jury to see
the body at the same time.
The COURT, however. reiterated the above-
men tinned opinion, and discharged the Rule, oh-
ssiv ing, that no injustice would be done in the
result, as the G►and Jury of the County was open
for further inquity ; or a Commission of Magis-
trates might be appointed to inquire of the death
of the party.—Rule discharged.

THEATRICAL REGISTER.
Performed Last Night.
THLEA rRE ROYAL, DfLURY-LANE.—King Richard the Third :
Richatd, Mr. Kcan -Earl of Richniurod, Mr. Elliston; Eliza-
beth, Mrs. Glover; Lady Anne, Mrs. W. West. After
which, Lock and Key.
TEMATRE ROYAL., COVENT-GARDEN.—Coe.olanns: Caius Mar-
cius Coriolanus, Mr. Macready ; Volulitnia, Mrs. Faucit.
After which, Aladdin.

Sr. ANngsw.—A Holiday at the Bank, Exchequer, East
India, and South Sea Houses.

MAILS.
ARRIVEL-1 Dublin. I Waterford, I Holland, I France.
DUE—I Gotteuburgb, I Lisbon, I Hawburgh.

HIGH WATER AT LONDON BRIDGE TO-MORROW.
Morning, 34 minutes after 1. I Evening, 4 mmutes after 2,

THE SUN.

SOLESI QUIS DICERS FALsUNI A UDEAT ?

LONDON,
TUESDAY, hOVEMBER 30, 1819.

We received this morning the Paris Papers of
Saturday last. The following are extracts :
" Ptiats, Nov. 27.—The King did not go
oat yesterday on account of the unfavourable
weather. His Majesty transacted business with
M. Pasquier, the new Miniiter for Foreign At--
tails.

" Marshal Macdonald arrived at Paris on
Thursday, and had an audience of the King.

FIVE PER CENTS.

Friday

68 f. 75- c.

DEFERRED STOCK
Of the 22ti March, 1817, 9l f. 55c.
24t1 Sept. 1247, B9f.
22d March, 1818, B7 f. 55c.
tid Sept. 1818, B5 f. 55 c.
22d March,lBl9, B3 f. 55 c.
22d Sept. 1819,. Bl f. 60e.
" MADRID, Nov. 15.—State of Health in An-

dahisia :