The Sun.
London, England, 1826-03-15 00:00:00

MOUSE OF COMMONS.

fiLAVERY. •
Mr. CALVERT prrsented a Petition from the bilitibitslitiE
of Notien, prayior, for the sholition of Slavery.
Mr. I/ICK EN SON presented similar Petitions fo.ro
ton Mallet anti Wallinonn. •
Sir E. KNATCIII3III.I4 presented similar Petitions from
the Inhabitants 31auk, of tlranbroke. arid I,talawrds,
Kent.--Ordered to lie op, the •

RAMFRIATE THEATRE-
Mc. BU'I"rEitWORTH rtesenteti a Petition from certain
inhatiiislus or itamtgatr, against tilt tionsinf or is Theatto
that BOWP.—Oriterett to lie on ifie talk.
Upon the motion or Sit EDWARD KNATCH BULL, flat

the third reading of the Bill for licensing the New Theatre at
Kamsgate,
dr. BUTTERWORTH Moved as an amendment, that the
slll be read a thild time this day six months.
After a few word* from Mr. BERNALL, Mr. Alderman
WOOD, and Sir E. KITATCHiII Lt., the amendment was negA.•
Lived without a division.—The Bill was then read a third time,
and passed.

• . .• ' '-',' -.- '.- - ''.' . MALT.
Sir E. ENATCHBULL presented:a petition from the In-
habitants of the West Riding of Kent, praying for a reduction
in the duties 'upon Malt.-Ordered to he on the table.
DEBTOR AND atuDrroa BILL.
• - - Mr. J. SA' ITH'presented a Petition from certain bankers in
London, praying fear un -alteration in the Debtor and Creditor
Law. The lion. Meinber stated, that in consequence of the
late failures there was a aunt of not less than from six to eight
millioni manpletely lacked ep front the creditors of the beek-
. rupts, whiek, could not he distributed, in discharge of their
' debt*, in a shorter splice than that of four months, as the law
stood at present. hit apkoved of the principle ore Bill intro.
duced by his Hon. Friend (Mr. Brighti in the year 11117, and
' thought its epplieation was most necessary at present.
Mr. BRIGHT was anxious for the rapid enactment of the
..i will alluded to.,
Alderman BRIDGES would also wish to see the Bill pass
' - into a law.
Mr. ELLIS had some doubts of the utility of carrying into
effect the principle of the Hon. Aiember's Bill, that of appoint-
' - ingtrustees,for the property of the creditor. The experimeut
had been tried In Ireland, and litigation was ever the 'conse-
quence of this trusteeship. Ile, however, trusted, .that the in.
' convenience of the Irish Bill would be avoided in this.
.After a few words from Mr. Locititen.T, the petition was
laid on-the table.
scoTen BANKING • SYSTEM: ' '
.Mr. W. DUNDAS presented petitions from two Corpora.
done -of Scotland, against any alteration in the Banking System.
Ordered to lie on the table.
SLAVF.S. -
Mr. F. BUXTON moved that a return be laid before the
House of the number of Slaves captured and taken to the
Syclieles ; their names and sex ; also the names of the ships in
which they were taken ; the number and names of those who
were brought to trial for violating the law in respect to the
..-trade ; the verdicts returned against them, and the punishments
intlicted.—Agreed to.
UNION SOCIETIES.
Mr. FLEMING . presented a petition from the Members of
-General Benefit Societies in Portsea, against any alteration In
the Jaw, by which these bodies were at present regulated.—Or.
.tiered to lie on the table:
Air. P. CORBET presented petitions from the inhabitants of
• Shrewsbury, and from the clergy andgentry of the parish of
' „Newport, inthecottnty of Salop, ;preying fur the abolition of
' elavery---Ordered to lie on the table,
Air. A. CAMPBELL presented a petition from the Magis-
trater, and Burghers , of Lauder, against any alteration in the
' ' Scotch,syStem of Currency.---Read and laid on the table.
' ' Mr. HONE Y WOOD, presented petitions against Slavery
' . front 'Tunbridge, Tunbridge ,Wells, and Sutton, in the county
• 'of sustmex,r—Rod, and ordered to' be printed.
r , ' Mr. "S:•'.47•PKTLEr presented a' etition from Cu par Angus,
.. '}, 46ijiiit:a001404011 in the Uurrencref Scotland.—head, and
ii4-44..140pii tbeisbiot ' ' . .
I".tyt.9'' 'Lord F. OSBORNE preitented a petition from the county
'-' ' r1:91, ':qtlitidge, against Slitvery.e.Reati, and ordered to lie on
t!,41-tti le., i _ - , ' • • '
71;,;; i..',,,cAlArtitT presented it similar petition from Hod.
la
tor
-4.14 -:lip, Hertfordishire. • . '• . ,
"' ' 40,e1W,91)ElIOVSE presented a similar petition from
e, Out rwoldslngauffolk,
.They Were both read, and laid on the table.
Air., Ai A CQIJEEN presented a petition from the Coronae
of Bedfordshire, praying tin increase in, their allowance.:—head
'44l4Xeilered to ..be z refereed to the Comtirittee on County Rates.
Mr. LINDSAY presented petitions from Dundee, from
"'• Perth, from St, Andretv's, and from Cu par ion, against any
' alteration hi flue system of the Scotch Currency.--Dead, and
„ordered -to lietne the table.. : -.,
~,;1 .11.1i.',LINDSAYerresteittel a petition against Slavery from
~•-,eVellteitie.'-eißead,..and laid pat the table.
Mr. ESTCOUWL' presented u petition from certain indi-
-.•:a p,;rviduals, iilto witteeising die continual accidents which arose
-. r4roth Vehicles being driven in the dark. humbly suggested the
..propriety of rne enactment to compel the drivers, to light 1
',lamps, or to carry eantilem in their hands.—(Great laughter.)-1
'Tee petition was read, and laid on the table.
. . SCOTCH CURRENCY.
Lord A. II A Ai lI,TON presented a petition front the county
- .. Of. Latterk, against any aiteretion in the Paper Currency of
-Scotland: Ile contended that the respectability of the pet'-
, tioners, and the general unanimity of Scotland on the subject,
merited .the attention of the House.
..,
11t r. MONT EITII. supported the prayer of the petition.
M r..A 11E11(310111111' expressed but surprise at the state.
meta* of the Noble Lord, and (Jr
.several other Members from
• scotiand, which fteern(,(l to state that Scotland could not proceed
I
' without. ts pve,elit currency. : Those petitions were from select
twines of individuals, tithl'entilti not, theretbre, be stated to con.
..rain. thOoPinions, of tlib' people. The pc.ople bed Riven no opt.
nice) on the subject, with‘the exception of one meeting in Edw.
burgle ~,. .. -
Dlr. W. DIINDAS protested against the declaration of the
Hon, and Leertiedetentletnan; that the Scotch people had pro-
- notinced no opinion on the subject. They had ; and the Mem-
bers for Scotland kOCW that they had. •
Alr. Bi4LlClell'ecommended the propriety of caution in any
enacttpeut which thellouee might propose.
Alr.,..WsllllTii bore testimony tattle good character of the
sotocgankyrs.,, . .
Mr, I'M 414,1,Nr, said, that although there should be a At,.
• rain Vl/01,,.40114401 tiOtlitted4 of . the unanimity of all the
1
.49 vole m. wiptvour of the existing system, those Members ,
. W,,(!. •90 ,14PWIX411; the. expediency of returning to a metallic
air An g' to tintelered, could not refuse to support it in Scot.,
mi.
. 11. DifUSAIONE) spoke -in favour of a Committee to
in, vestitote the subject fully, in order that the true state of the
tnmter might be.known. , •
Mr. II . t.i URNE, V was understood to say, that he thought
that it Would he utivisuble for the Chancellor of the Exchequer
m pe4tpl►tte. the regulation• of the whole system of tile currency
u Oil next *Seipp. In conseqnenee of the Right lion. Gentle-
• iettn haVing contemplated the introduction of the measure into
Scethind amid Ireland, the diflicultiev.which had occurred might
.
ipra ye the obtaining ot gold sufficient to answer the exigencies
at' a 11...,.
,Cef,..:O,IINSON was understood to state, that he could see
n 4 'reason. why *toy individual of the people of Scotland should
le accused of Preferring /cone pound.note to a sovereign.
Mr. BARING, in it low tone, contended, that a Committee,
:to inveittigate the afters of private banks, would be an intolera-
ble riteaeure.! • - . , • •
The,CIIANCEI4I.4OI4 of the 'EXCHEQUER rose to ob.
serve,, that he bad not stated it to, be his intention to propose the
' •inipoliutrient of a Ceitimittee to examine the solvency of any
private honks, attyt such a Immure would be obviously an its.
proper one. 'rite object of the Committee which he should pro-
pose was, to decide 'whether. the continuance of the small notes
m i.icotland-would, after: a due examination of all the peculiari-
ties connected with the case of Scotland, be advantageous to it,
and to decide whether he was to yield hie opinions to the wishes
expressed by the individuals of that kingdom, or they were to
adopt. hie slows upon hiashewing that they were right.
' Air. HUME said, that he would prefer to see England adopt
the plan praCtieed fp Seotiantl, rether titan Scotland should
fol/ow in'
the wake'of England. lie' could not but observe to
his Hort, Friend the Alember fin. Caine, that there had been
verioes popular meetings in Scotland, at which the people had
tlc`:'.hled upon the propriety of supporting their present system.
Ire had presented a preSent from Aberdeen, agreed to at a pub.
lie meeting.
Alrf 4BE acno mBY explained: . Ile had' not been aware
Of that meeting et Aberdeen t • but though it might be said,
that there had been:various other public meetings, he did not
t•ll4* the Peoldn of Scotland averse to the best principles of
banking.
..olmas . . .
Mr. 'VV. D and Mr. AIII4IICROMIY mutually ex-
plained.
The petition was then read, and ordered to be printed. ' '
The LOR I) A1)1'1)C A 'l' I:I presented a petition. from Wig-
tom), against any alteration in the present system Of Banking
in sentletee..-Ortlered to lie on the table.
Mr. HUME presented a similar petition from Montrose.—
Ordered to lie on the table,
...6 r F. OXIAIANEY presented
m , a petition from certain, fur_ end other inhabitants the county of Leitritn, In favour.
of Clitigrqt lOU. —Ordered to lie on, the table. .
Sir' t. WILSON moved for Returns of the Writs hunted- to
the Sheriffs of Surrey during the lust five years, with the pound,.
age paid thereon ; also for an Account of the ixpences charged
by the Cotnniissieners of Bankrupta, during time same period:—
.Ordin'etf. ' '
Al r. it UM VI moved thr Returns of all Crown Debtors at pre.
sent in confinement; also an Account of Promotions in the
Neve .-...Ordered.
CASE OF MR. THOMPSON.
Me, ULlAlE.seiti he had been-requested, in the sbsence of a
NOhle Lard, who had brought the subject before the Houlse on
petition from an individual of
eyeful/me occasion', to preient a
ebe named Thompson, who complained, that in consequence
of cflanges in the currency he hadibeen reduced Roma state of
aiiimce 1„, the greatest distress. kite Bon. Meaier read se.
vent!, extracts from the petition, which stated that the petitioner
,f4,exies witijam Thompson, had at one time been in possession
h in consequence of a change in time
of 300,0001. Consols, whiz-.
• etweney, I e was obligee'. to sell, out at a considerable pas..--
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had subsequently experienced other severe losses, all of
which he attributed to the change in the currency. lie was now
reducedlo great distress, and he prayed the House to take his
case into consideration, and save him from impending ruin.—
The Hon. Member concluded by saying, that however much
he might deplore the distrait& of, the petitioner, he could not
concur in his prayer, and he really did not see how the House
cool afford hint any relief.
After a few words from Mr. 0. Rose and Mr. Mostcx, the
petition was ordered to lie on the table.
Mr. SYKES presented a Petition from the candle-makers of
Edinburgh, praying for a reduction of the duty on ta110w...-
Ordered to be printed.
Mr. MA BERLV moved for Returns of the Gross and Net
Amount of the Revenue, arising from Customs, Excise,
Stamps, and Post-office Duties, for the first nine weeks of the
Eears.lo2s and 1826; also fora Return of the Balances in the
xchequer ,on the sth January, 1825, with an account of the I
Payments and Receipts on the sth January, 18`26; together
with an account of Cash Transactions and Balances in hand
during the latter period.
' Lord J. RUSSELL presented a Petition from Huntingdon
.against Negro Slavery.— Ordered to lie on the table.
Mr. S. RICE presented a Petition from the Inhabitants of
Coolagh, in the county of Limerick, in favour of emigration to
the Colonies.—Ordered to lie on the table.
Mr. S. RICE presented a Petition from J. Alartin, of Cork,
praying, us we understood, form alteration in the laws relative
topnWnbrokiog. •
The Honourable Member also presented a Petition from
Thomas Planagank of Sligo, the purport of which we could
not catch.
• Lord NuGgyr gloved folsßeturns of the Salaries paid to
the Governor, Lieutedant-Qovernor, Chief Justices of the
Courts of King's Bengt anti. Common Pleas, the President of
the Slave Courts, Attorney and Solicitor-General, Clerks of
the Arraigns, and of cera for the impannelling of Juries in the
Island of Jamaica and the Leeward Islands, distinguishing
the salaries, fees, and emoluments which they received from
this country, from the salary, fees, and emoluments which
they derived from the Colonial Legislature, and specifying the
fundlOggrom which the former salaries, &e. arise.—Ordered;
EM 'O RA TION.
Mr. WILMOT HOUTON in moving for an appointment
of a Select Committee on the subject of Emigration to the
Canadas, begged to preface his motion with a few words in ex.
planation. The House voted on a former occasion the sum of
bO,OOO/. to this object, and in consequence thereof, In the year
1823, five hundred and sixty-eight persons, men, women,
and- children, were sent out at an expence of 221. a head,
and settled on the allotted ground in tipper Canada. In
1825, two thousand and twenty-four persona, men, women, and
children, were sent also from Ireland, at an expence which
was not yet correctly ascertained, but which would certainly not
exceed the former estimate. Calculating from the expences on
both occasions, it would appear that the sum for each person,
would not exceed 204 And it would be rt source of great satis-
faction to the supporters of the measure, that all accounts
hitherto received from the emigrants of 1823, represented the
experiment as completely successful. The- details would he
found, at length, in the Appendix to the Reports of this sub-
ject, of 1823 and 1825. .From both it was evident that the ex-
periment 0f1823 had fully succeeded, and that the experiment
of 1825 was in a process of success, as tar as information had
yet been received. The lion. Gentleman read extracts, from
several documents, by which it appeared that the emigrants of
1823 had settled in Upper Canada with great advantage. to
themselves, and prospect of future prosperity ; and he con-
trasted their accounts with the evidence given before Com.
mittees of the House last year, 'Mewing the state of wretched-
ness and misery in which the peasantry were in those parts of
Ireland from whence the emigration was encouraged. And he
then put it to the House if it was not a ,wise and benevolent mei..
sure to encourage a plan by which, in so short a time, by a
transfer from one country to another, so many persons were
changed from a condition of wretchedness and poverty to corns
parative comfort and ludependence. He wished the House to
understand, that the experiment was made more for the
,benefit
of others than as a guide to Government in following up the
plan . and with the same understanding, he was of opinion
that the most effectual way to put the House and the public in
possession of facts, would be to appoint a Committee to investi-
gate the subject. The Right lion. Gentleman then referred to
the opinions delivered by Mr. M'Culloch on the subject be-
fore a Committee of tine House. He maintained that great
advantages would be derived from emigration, as it tended to
reduce crime by carrying off superabundant population and
created colonies, with whom we could deal on more advanta..
geous terms than with other nations. The Right Gentle-
man concluded with moving for the appointment of a select
Committee to inquire Into the expediency of encouraging emi.
gration from the United Kingdom.
Mr. HUME said he should not oppose the motion, as he'
never was adverse to inquiry ; but he was satisfied that when
the subject was inquired into, the report of the Committee
would be against the Government expending money in sending
people abroad. %%quit he had said before, he now repeated,
that it never would answer, and was against all principle to
incur an expence at the rate of one hundred pounds per family,
to send a poor peasant front Ireland to any part of the world.
...Give but that one hundred pounds to the poor peasant, in
Ireland, and you would establish him happy and corotbrtie-
tile with his family. The opinions of .Islr. Macculloch M-
inn at all support the oltimate extension of this plan of':
gration. On the contrary, he recollected himself putting the
question to Mr. liKulloch—Whet number do you consider
would really do good in the situation in which Ireland is
placed P---would' 100,000 men, taken from Ireland, he of any
consequence to relieve the distress P---No. 500,000?
That might have some effect, becauke, unless you prevent re-
production, in two years you would have the same number
again. When the proper time came, be should support the
opinions be had hitherto experienced, bu t t . t throw the scuellest
objection in the way of the motion.
Mr.. S. RICE supported the motion.
Mr. BERNAL said it was a very serious objection that emi-
grants, beyond the expences of transit, found a difficulty in
providing means to pay the fees to the local Government
abroad. Ho wished to know whether these difficulties were to
be done away with. '
Mr. W. HORTON said that those fees were abolished; the
system wits entirely changed, and there were now no impedi-
ments whatever. All these matters would be brought before
the Cominittee
Mr. Alderman WOOD said, that if the Right 'Hon. Gen-
tleman wanted emigrants, there were thousands of persons in
the city of London who would consider themselves most happy
to emigrate at the rate of 221., or a larger sum. Ile would
give him ten persons a day for the next ten or twelve
months, who would be happy to try their fortunes in erni
tol_q!on.

The Committee was then agreed to. It consisted, among
others, of Air. Plunkett, Lord John Russell, Mr. Sturges
Bourne, Mr. John Smith, Mr. Fitzgerald, Sir John Nicholas
Colthurst, Lord Palmerston, Lord Althorp, Mr. J. S. Wortley,
Mr. Frankland Lewis, Mr. Goulburn, Mr. Dawson.
Flt NDLY S.
Mr. COURTENAIEY moved fur leave toCIETIES bring. in a Bill to
constitute into one law six or seven statutes which had been
passed respecting Friendly Societies; and to Introduce sundry
amendments. lie did not think it necessary to occupy the
house by going into the subject;as he did not expect the slightest
opposition to the measure. The amendments would be needy
In the spirit of the existing laws.
sir GEORGE Cif ETWYNDE seconded the motion. If
benefit Societies were to be sanctioned and supported, the rules
should, in his opinion, be better defined, and it should be de-
dared by Act of Parliament, whether the Magistrates had or
bad not the power to amend or reject the rules. The revision
and consolidation of the statutes on this subject would be be.
neficial, but be thought saving banks were preferable to these
societies—leave was given to bring in the Dill.
POOR RATES.
Mr. WODEHOUSE, in moving fora return similar to that
made by order of the !louse on the lith of March, 104 ilia.
five to the amount of the assessment or poor and county rate
for the year ending the 25th of Alarch, 1420, declared that he
had been induced to move for an inquiry into the subject, as 111.1
timately connected with the proposed inquiry into the present
system of the Corn Laws ; and feeling that it was the real
amottnt and relative pressure of these burdens that might fairly
considered, not as a reason for enhancing the price of corn upon
the people to an exnavagant prico, but of excluding thy, corn
(Other countries from entering into a competition svitli the corn
of our own growth, as an article of general barter. Ile next
adverted to' the, several Comm!ttees that had sat upon the sub-
ject of the poor rate returns, in one of which, viz. in 11125,
return had been moved for by the lion. Member fur \Vora•
of the Nan! total levied,
ten Bassett, requiring nn account
distinguishing the amount of the assessment-Ist, on land;
,2d, on houses ; 3d, on all buildings occupied us mills, titcto,.
rice and oa land occupied for purposes of trade, and not for
agricultural purposes ; 4th, fir manorial profits, fines, quar..
rks, mines, Iron works, canals, &c. which was as follows
Ist. Sums assessed on land - - - • X 4,602,252
2d. On dwelling houses, including hospitals and
colleges
3d. On all buildings used for purposes of trade, and
not Mr agricultural purposes
4th. On Manorial profits, &c.

1,7E2,950

247,399
90,908-

Total J. 11,703,499
Mr. G. PHILLIPS adverted to the system provailing, in
many countieb, lit paying very small wages to the agricultural
labourer, sad malting up his means of living out of the poor's
rate. As we understood the Hon. Member, tic condemned this
system, and wished it altered.
Mr. MONO( fully agreed in desiring to put down the sys-

tern under which labourers in health and in work were allowed
relief from their parish. In many places he knew It to be the
fact, that the greater farmers hired labourers as low as three
shillings a week; and sent them regularly for assistance,,
cording to the extent of their families, to the 'overseers.—
The effect of this course was, that the shopkeeper, the privet!
gentleman, and the clergyman, paid the difference (for the
farmer's benefit) between the wages which' he gave his servant
and the sum upon which that servant could live. And this
was not the worst, for the system went farther—the great
farmer who enjoyed this advantage, drove the small farmer
out of the market. A man who held sixty or seventy acres
only of land, which he cultivated with-his, own hands, .or with
the assistance of his family, was not only compelled to put
his own labour, and that of ;is sons, upon a par with the
cheap labourer employed by the large farmer, but actually to
pay, parochially, for the support of those very cheap workmen
by whose assistance his rich neighbour was underselling hint
in the market. Ile (Mr. Monck) believed decidedly that the
poor's rate, as it stood, was an immense advantage to the land.
Mr. JOHN SAIITH concurred entirely in the view orthe
lion. Member for Berkshire ; but he believed that the practice
of paying labourers by parochial relief, was not only a gross
aimse, but a course totally illegal. He himself had a property
in Sussex, upon which every labourer received an allowance
from the parish. There was a mode, however, of dealing with
this custom —an appeal from the rate—to which, if gentlemen
would once determine to resort, there would very speedily be
an end to it. Upon the Sussex property of which he spoke, he
(Mr. Smith) did not reside, and therefore he could not appeal ;
but he would care, and that very quickly, that somebody else
should.

Lord JOHN RUSSELL said, that. unfortunately, a sue.
cesaful appeal cost the appellant about 401. The subject was a
very important one, and he wished that. the Hon. 11ember
would be content with his return down to somewhat an earlier
date than was proposed, as it might then come before Parlia-
ment in the course of the present Session.
Mr. WODEHOUSE was still prepared to maintain that the
great burden of parochial relief rested upon the landed interest.
—To prove this, only let the House observe the comparative
amounts paid by the land and by the trading property, with the
numbers of hands employed on each, in different counties.-
-The Hon. !Member then stated the results, which appear in the
following table :—There were in
Lancashire.-162,27employed in fart►iliestrade • 22,723
families employed in agriculture ; total amount of charge,
1823, 326,4771. ; of which 157,7901. charged on land, 49,3751.
on trade.
West Riding of Yorkshire.-108,841 families employed in
trade; 31,613 in agriculture • total amount of charge, 281,9681.
—185,6681. charged on land, 21,8261. on trade.
Statfordshire.-42,425 families employed in trade; 10,285
In agriculture ; total charge, 140,2571..-99,7131. land, 6,0211.
trade.
Warwickshire.--39,189 families employed in trade'; 16,779
In agriculture total charge, 139,6661.--D9,7251. land, 9,6181.
-.trade. • ' - •
Derbyshire.,..-20,505 families employed in trade;_ 14,582 in
agriculture. : total charge, 90,3861.-75,0681. land, 1,7271.
trade.
Nottinghamshire.— 21,832 families employed in trade ;
13,664 in agriculture: total charge, 01,3211.-57,6131. land,
2,8621. trade.
cheshire.-27,105 families employed in trade; 18,120 in agri-
culture ; total charge; 117,2121.-89,7961. land, 5,2191. trade.
These were counties considered chiefly trading. lie would now
show the state of those which were more peculiarly agricultural.
There were in
Essex.-33,206 families employed in agriculture; 17,160 fa-
milies in•trade : total charge, 277,0131.-223,4931. in agricul-
ture, 6,2041. in trade.
Kent.-30,169 families employed in agriculture; 30,130 fa-
milies in trade: total charge,. 373,7861.-257,9171. in agrieul.
ture, 8,2381. in trade.

Lincolnshire.--20,081 families employed in agriculture ;
13,184 families in trade : total charge, 1113,1171.-166,7601. in
agriculture, 4,0671. in trade.
Suffolk.--26,405 fatniliet employed in agriculture; 15,180
families in trade; total charge,. 259,7471.--214,6681. in agricul-
ture, 5,21151. in trade. •
Norfolk-31,451 families employed in agriculture ; 23,082
families in trade: total charge, 2412,1541.-224,9771. in agri.
culture, 4,295/. in trade.
Somentetabire-27,472 families employed in agriculture;
23,732 families in trade : total charge, 174,51121.-136,13411. in
agriculture; 1,993/. 14s. in trade.
Northamptonshire-._15,236,-families ernployed in agricul-
ture; 12,100 families in trade: total charge, 145,5101.
in
132,0021. agriculture ; 5001, in trade.
Cornwall.-19,302 families employed in agriculture; 15,543
families in trade: total charge, 112,6371.-87,2351. in agricul-
ture, 2,1901. in trde.
Dev:m.-37,037 families employed in agriculture, ; 33,985
families in trade : total charge, 227,4241.-175,4121. in agricul.
tune, 2,G231. in trade.
After this, it would he difficult to say thatt.he land was not the
lntt rest Welt suffered mainly from the poor's rate.
Mr. PIIILLI I'S denied , that any safe inference could be
drawn from- the return quoted by the lion. Member (Mr.
Wodehou Se.)
Mr. Alderman troop said that the return, after all,,proyed
nothing. If the levy waymade upon the land fur poors-rate,
where did the land get Money to pay that levy ? • Where but
from the high price which, under the existing laws, it compel-
led the manufacturer to pay for his, corn
The return was then ordered.
TURNPIKE: TRUSTS.
Lord WlVl' fl lt Mulled for leave to bring in a bill to con-
solidate certain Turnpike .Trusts in the County of Middlesex.
BILI/lERV AT ELECTIONS.
On the tittegtion whether this 13111 be read a second 'time
being put,
Mr.. -WYNN'untlerstood idiot it would be more convenient'
to postpone the discussion on this Bill to a further stage. It
was a matter of..intlifference to him, for whenever it came on,
he should have an opportunity of urging his objections to It.
Lord J..RUSSELI, saitl, it was not for his convenience that
the discussion was
..postponed. On the contrary, if the Right
honourable lientleniati bad any objections to urge, he would
much rather hear them now, as he should wish to take them
into consideration, and, if possible, obviate theM on a future
occasion.

Mr. WYNN had no objection to the discussion taking place
now.
Lord .r. RUSSELL said, that it would be perfectly conve-
nient for him to hear the night Bonourahle Gentleman's ob-
jections DOW.

_
7- AIL' WYNN-46' Objected to it for many reasons. The
principle on which the Bill was founded had been found ex-
ceedingly objeCtionable. lie objected to the mode in which
the Noble Lord wished to frame his Committee. The Bill
upon that part of . the question merely enabled them to do
without an act of Parliament, In fact, all the objects of this
Bill might be answered by the powers the House,alreatly pos-
sessed. There was another provision which he disliked....
The Act provided that an investigation might take place
upon any :thing done within six years previous to the pre-
sentation of the petition. This he thought was too long a
retrospect. He objected to the vague manner in which the
petitions would be worded. Another thing, there was no penalty
affixed for any unfounded charge. Experience ought to show
theM the necessity of some such thing. In 1788, it was
found necessary to ensct, that any person presenting a frivo.
lous petition should pay the whole costs. Now this Bill enacted;
that the public should pay the costs of the whole inquiry. This
would give rise toe thousand evils, of which they had at pre.
sent no idea. The Bill further provided, a Committee of In.
quiry; consisting of 14 members. He believed they were to be
chosen by lot, and not subject to challenge. Now, it might so
happen, that some among the fourteen woOld have some kind
of bias, which it would not he proper to risk in an inquiry of
that kind. He objected also to nominees being appointed on
one side, and nut on the other. Alm.% to the petitioner hiniself,
conducting the inquiry. Ile had thrown out these objections
toi the consideration of the Noble Lott], and if he could obviate
them he should be glad of it. In the mean time, he should
give the subject his serious consideration, and enter into more
minute details in the Conmiittee. . •
Alr. WARRE could not see that' he Right lion. Gentleman
had any objection to the principle of the measure. The Right
lion. Gentleman had objected to the principle of the Cotninittee,
but not to the principle of the measure itself. Ile was glad he
had heard his objections, as he trusted that, being prepared, his
Noble Friend would be apple to obviate them, lie could not
agree with the Right Hon. Gentleman, that the law, as it at
present stood, was sufficient to prevent the disgraceful practices
which this Bill was intended to prevent. He thought the
House ought to have a more extended period to hear matters of
this kind. 11 the practices he had alluded to could be more easily
checked than they were at
present, it would be the greatest be-
nefit they could confer on tine country. People talked of a re-
form being necessary In that !House, ,but it was affectation to
speak at the same time of the corruption of the Alembers of the
House, and .the immaculate purity of those that sent them
there. The elector* wanted reforming us much as the elected.—
(Hear, hear !)—He therefore thought, that if his Noble Friend
could -devise means by which the electors of some of these
rotten boroughs could be punished in terroran, it would have
a most beneficial effect on the rest. The Honourable Gentle.
inan concluded by expressing his satisfaction at the Bill being
allowed to go into a Committee, where the various objections
Mr. LOCKHART contended' that the House did not at
of the Right lion, Gentleman opposite could be discussed.
Present possess sufficient power to punish bribery, and con-
curred with the lion. Gentleman who spoke last, that a great
deal of gross corruption was to be found among electors, espe.
cially Corporations. It was not necessary that thei Bill.

should contain any compulsory clause for payment of expences
out of. the public purse. That might or might not depend
upon the decision of the Committee.
Air. II.fOURNEY. thought nothing could be more inexpe-
dient than to give, it power to that House to inquire, during the
whole peliod'of six years, into the particulars attendant upon
an election, of Membern to represent it.
Mr. N. CALVERT' thought, that where itcould be proved
that the electors of any borough had abused their franchise, the
borough ought to be deprived of that franchise instanter.
Air.. C. W. WYNNexplained. He had ever supported the
principle of disfranchising, whenever abuse could be proved;
but he was doubt whether the Bill before the House was
calculated to -emove or promote the evils it proposed to remedy.
Colonel DAVIES reminded the House, that the proof of a
single act of corruption. in an individual elector, vitiated the
return of the candidate whom he had supported. Would Hon.
Members say dint the corruption of an individual should be
held as the act of all his fellow electors, and that it should be
held sufficient to disfranchise the entire borough ?
Mr. W. SMITH supported the Bill, and quoted an ex-
ample of Banbury, which had taken place almost within his
knowledge. The person who had preceded him in the repro-
sentatiou of that place for which he (111 r. Smith) had sat in that
House, before his return for the city which he now represented,
had not paid to the electors a sum of 10/. each, which, before
his election he had promised them. The consequence had been,
that, before any candidate at the succeeding election was put
in nomination, he was required (as the sine qua non) to make
good the former Member's delimit, by inclosing, in a blank
envelope, a 101. note, directed to each elector of that borough.
Mr. PEA RSE disapproved of the Bill.
Mr. HOBHOUSE did not think the Bill went farenough ;
still, being willing to accept reform in any shape or portion, he
would support the measure of his Noble Friend. Ile did not
despair, however, of seeing a system of more extensive reform
introduced into, and adopted by, that House, at no remotedate.
The progress made in education and knoWledge by all classes,
rendered it quite impossible that the present state of things
should remain unchanged much longer. With reference to
.the Bill before the House, he would say, if reform were to be
commenced at all, we should.begin by punishing those who pur-
chased, and not those who sold, seats. The clauses in the Act,
so often referred to (Mr. Grenville's Act), went to prevent the
interference of Peers in elections for Members of that "House ;
than which clause nothing could be more absurd, for that they
did interfere was quite notorious. The clause ought, therefore,
to be struck out of that Act. The case referred to by the
Honourable Member for Norwich, was very far from being
singular ; even that distinguished and lamented gentleman,
the late Air.' Ricardo, had declared that he sat in that House
not as the representative of die people, but of a thousand pounds
a year. To hear Honourable Gentldmen gravely question the
existence of bribery and corruption, reminded him of the say-
ing of Cicero, who could not conceive how two ugurs, when
they met, could refrain from laughing in each other's faces.
Mr. F. PALMER supported the motion.
Lord J. RUSSELL replied.—lt was notorious that, in anti-
cipation of the approaching general election, bribery was even at
the present Moment in full operation in many places and dis.
tricts. His lion. Friend the Meniber for Penrhyn (Mr. Pascoe
Urenfell) had lately declared, that he would not have any thing
further to do with that borough, on account of the practices that
prevailed there. Since which, the Solicitor of the Bank (as we
understood) had gone down there, in order, probably; to esta-
blish a connection. He (Lord .1. Russell) had little doubt that
some of the new notes of the litink'of England would find their
way there before the next general election.' That the Grenville
Act required amendment, was'evident, from one fact, namely,
that. unless a petition were presented against the return of
Member within 14 days from the date of his election, it could
not be received, and the corrupt candidate might, after the lapse
of that period, pay over to the electors a promised bribe with.
out danger. He hoped, for all the reasons he had stated, that
the House would not oppose die motion.
The Bill was then read a second time, and ordered to be com-
mitted on Monday next.
MUTINY BILL—MILITARY FLOGGING.
The Mutiny Bill having been read a third time,
Mr. HUME repeated his objection to the system of flogging
in our army, and hoped the time was not far distant when the
British soldier should be relieved from the liability to a species
of punishment which dishonoured him in the eyes of all Europe,
and which was only calculated to brutalize.
Mr. HOBHOUSE said, although be felt it would be ineffec,
tual, he should, nevertheless, oppose the Bill, on account of the
power it gave to punish men by flogging. He also was, con-
vinced the time was not very remote when that cruel system
should be abolished'; and iq that expectation,, he was justified
by,his knowledge of the yearly increasing numbers of Honour.
able Members, who in that House objected to the continuance of
that degrading punishinent.--,The Bill wait then passed.
The Maoism Alir ery v BILL was read a third time. . and
passed.—The other Orders of the Day were then diiiposed of,
and the house adjourned at a QUARTER PAST ELEVEN
O'CLOCK.

LIST OF TILE MINORITY
Of 47,
who on Friday Evening voted.for Mr. Hume's:Clause°
in the Mutiny Act Bill.
Allen, J. IL lloneywood, W. P. Russell, Lord J.
Brydges, Sir J. Howard, Hon. H. Runibold; C. E.
-Blake, Sir F. Hutchinson, Hon. Stuart, -W.-
Bernal, Ralph C. 11. Smith, J.
Benett, J. Johnion, Col. . Smith, W.
Burdett, Sir P. Knight, R. , Sykes,, D: '
Buxton, 'l.'. P. Kaewich, S. T. Sefton, Earl of
Broughton, R. Leycester, Ralph Taylor, M. A.
Crompton, S. 'Martin, .1. . Wood, Alderman
Denison., W. J. Macdonald, J. WhartonoJ,
Evans, Wm. Moberly, J. Wilson, Sir. R.
'Fergusson,Sirlt. Illaberly, Major Williams; Mr.
Gordon, R. Monek, J. B. TELLER:
Gurney, Hudson , Nugent, Lord Hume, Joseph . .
Guise, Sir W.. Newman, R. W.
Graham, Sir S. Ord, W. PATILED OFF.
Herons Sir R. Palmer, C. P. Mottle, Hon. W.
Hobbouse, J..C. Rickford, Wm: Tierney,.ll Lila. G.
• " That from and after the passing of this Act, it shall not.
be lawful to inflict corporal punishment, by stripes or :lasltes,
on any soldier serving in time of peace in the army regulated
by this Act, in any part of Great Britain or Ireland, notwith-
standing any law or usage to the contrary."