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toine " d against it, and he should therefore very rell
second the motion. to tbe
Lord ASHBURTON saw "no great objection ,
..s
motion, tut he thought that the charge ought to b-.lo'
certain number of years, and not a permanent ehargeiaitt
Lord BEAUMONT suggested that there were certain
drainage companies in Yorkshire and eisewberemm
the N°l3le ar•
would by such an Act as that proposed by olas, t for
dor;
(the Duke of Richmond) be enabled to enter into
rangements with the owners of the entailed estates. Pt:s
the plan of these companies the possessors of sTaii,
were enabled to drain their lands by.allowing certain
portions of the profits to the companies. Tl:(re nst,
some things which would have to be guarded 801
but that could be done in Committee.
The Duke of RICHMOND assented ii
to the s„gfaetso.
tion of his Noble Friend, and would be glad to g"
details with him in the Committt e. • a of
The Committee was granted, and, '9n the Wl° the
the Duke of RICHMOND, the Lord Chancellor,bo,
Lord Privy Seal, the Duke of Cleveland, Lord Broug
and several other noblemett, were nominated. BILL'
LANDS CLAUSES CONSOLIDATION LDATION Elm"
On tile motion of the Earl of DALHOUSIE, CIO eS
The House went into Committee on the Lands
Consolidation Bill. to the
Lord REDESDALE objected to the clause the
gave power to the railway companies to deviate ti'also
extent of 100 yards on each side of their line,
to the paragraph which empowered them W enf
land to the extent of 500 yards, for the purPos'
ging clay or gravel.
The remaining clauses were agreed to with 31137.ta;
meats ; and the House having resumed, the CuAlg'.
reported progress. SCOT'
LANDS CLAUSES CONSOLIDATION (0--
LAND) BILL ca. the
On the motion of the Earl of DA.L/101jPZO11611
Lands Clauses Consolidatlon(Scotland)Bill went -
Committee.

AUCTION DUTIES BILL
This Bill was read a first time, and the .14
journed.

HOUSE OF COMMONS, April "
THE ADJOURNED DEBATE' . r Third
Mr. C. L. BRUCE (in continuation from e"t esthe.:
Edition of last night) proceeded to say—He had gLe:insirill',
rity to quote—that of a great statesman, who, in 1841' bleabetso
ted the House in quite another manner. The Hon. graot •
for Kent introduced a motion for withdrawing t
Maynooth, as the motion itself was subsequently vg"..d the':
but this eminent statesman to whom he had alluded us asst,
post,
words, to which he invited the attention of the lins'neet
cularly the Hon. Member for Bath. "He did the inte I.
that 'such compact existed as ought to prevented to e',l,
ference of the Legislature, if the grant was vovears.B
He did not agree in the opinion that the sYsteern.ndifferel'i,
tion pursued at Maynooth ought to be a matter 01 .liitiop rsaoj
to the House. He had not heard such an ewer him, to
by the Noble Lord, but he had heard it imputed I, was `r,
the Noide Lord did not deny it.—(Hear, hear.), that Pep
bounden duty of the House, if they . found rldsiotO
uld necer
nicions doctrines were taught there—doctrines Peht
the welfare and safety of the empire. He for one o,ertboi4re
concur in the
_principle of indifference, which e;esiios
should be repudiated. It would be a very proper Cosouldss
that case to submit to the House, whether the grand that op
discontinued or not ?" The statesman who expressee Tress_,°
nion was his Right Hon. Friend at the head ofties ,
—he who now introduced the present measure.---t the' op„is'o,
He (Mr. C. Bruce) had not been induced to alternisat r''sj
which he bad formed on hearing that speech of ho.o"'sclero
Friend. He maintained that the system of eduesul' It ,!t.,
in Maynooth was not such as ought to be supnertr,sed
not the place from which to expect loyal subjects tcet salsa e,
zees. If any Hon. Gentleman doubted that, he o!...._(CrLie
from works on the subject in support of his assertiolionosrab%,
of " No, no," and laughter.) His Right the bo
Friend had said that this grant would raise, pies, oi
ratter of Maynooth.—(Hear.) What class el
lore
,et
r
(Mr. C. Bruce) would ask, were better educated, and )11
to move in the highest orders of life, than the Jesulincotioic,
that class of persons had been expelled from everheir ro
Europe, even from the dominions of the Pope? there hi
ence, however, was extended to Maynooth. I.g: foetal es
said that they could not mend the education of nitilyents
merely increasing their grant, giving the at re),o
ter clothing, or by giving them better dinntb,gbS of
House then would see that they would be doing netmacilitileil
grant if they did not give to the whole people the otios,
tier
acquiring a good, sound, practical, and moral edit no esi,
that no other would give satisfaction to the countr94ooll%3
how well or liberally they might endow the educe' bey ee it
tutiona:— (Hear, hear.) Therefore, he would sal tmsjeeo°ol/
be disappointed if they expected that this grant to would ;of
would give public, satisfaction; on the contrail',
rest putt
have the effect of outraging the feelings of the f_s`owsr op
al of
the country, while it would effect no good. his tho ba
was that this grant would have no other effect ,tbs
osed
whetting the appetites of those to whom it was Prriererej or
given, for an additional increase.—( Hear, hear-) regsr
no man in the House for whom he had a rester for °foe,
esteem than the Right Hon. Gentleman the Chanet this irebs
Exchequer ; but he would ask him, if he approved , o
eel ere
how could he consistently refuse to endow all otnelyibere were
might apply for that purpose ?—( Hear, hear.) , ,bere:r,)
some sects who would not have any such grant ; r,
of a
great many others who would not refuse in--o'ra of rest
That was not the place to discuss the truth or eriaptisrefere
gion, but as our ancestors had decided that Protes therehog
necessary for the well being of this country, it we% saYt
not necessary to discuss it. He did not wish W be 010_
0d
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disrespectful of the Roman Catholic Clergy, but
they taught what was erroneous. He wished that 111'1;10e:lls
ment would leave them to terms. their religion the who t
spare the consciencies of serious and earnest men, to tellic
be shocked at the blow which they were about rjs
their Church. , raw 00
Mr. W. GLADSTONE, rose in explanation 01 a
.. ~se 4
which hie (sown, Eby
hy mprobo`,e cu'
jus sat (sown, by other numbers who had spoken in t" roe
of the debate. They seemed to intimate that the GocelyellY
expressed their intention through him of pensioning the as tl'',slj
Catholic priesthood. What he (Mr. Glas'stone) said'`
that he felt that the acceptance of this messerebiecli7
put out of the way any religious et'Airijo'
to the payment of the 'Roman Catholic at t
And also a very great question would arise with re1;04°.,,
their payment. What lie meant or said was. of litdent 00,7,
Lance now, but he wished to relieve the Governlne„aie
anything that he might have been supposed to itythir's;
them, for he had no knowledge, no recollection of %DK%
connected with this subject which could enable him teelott'fi/
that they er tertained any intention of that kind• pposi%
that he recollected or heard could justify him irl,s„e I{oo
that they entertained the intention of pensioning t"-
tbt
Catholic clergy.—( Cheers. )
Sir GEORGE GREY said that, notwithstandPg
bisfore
length of this debate, he was desirous of stating, 1315 jA
came to a close, the grounds of the vote which it wait e0°0(
tention to give. He was desirous to do so, becalvenaos
be opposed to the strong remonstrances of 0d•
his supporters, whose confidence he enjnY ' 100 0
which confidence he would run the risk fled the
by the vote he found he would be eent-„se , I
give en so important a measure, and n'e-eageoe'"i•
welfare of Ireland was so deeply interested. Be °
regret at the tone and spirit in which the Honours. clad.
tlemau (Mr. C. Bruce) spoke of the Roman Catheltetotbre;
He believed his speech would present a strong contra" (leha'ss
made by Honourable Members during the course a th,d se,
and he earnestly hoped that the example which he,be,.tsted„j
raking up extracts froth old records, would not be iln;iterePhs.
the debate. He had said that his consistency was
in the vote which he should give upon this occasien'ecoser-d,
did not refer simply to votes which he had given on 1, s ffrof
casions when he supported the smaller grant of 9,oo"(cresse;
If he thought that the present measure was a mere 'eao
the vote from 9,0001. to 26,0001., he should fed that --ct re°
lion of principle could by possibility arise on the sett esce,
ing which would justify his refusal to assent to til'ind a`,l)
reading. It would then be a mere question of degren
of principle, and that was entirely settled to LP: bit;
But he believed with his Noble Friend thole,
ber for Dorsetshire that not only a prinetfh;sere-
a grand principle, was involved in this Inejlioo,,
namely, the recognition of the Roman Catholic rehi7e t'
( Hear, hear)—the reconnition of that Church tom ',03- ly evs
great body of the inhabitants of Ireland were so 'OO e;/
tacked, and in the communion of which they were bre,- bat
—the recognition of that fact, and not only of the feelod
se:
the important principle that it was unjust, impolitic, '..401)11".
wise to disregard the opinions of the great body of thetii, th;
and to maintain and support a Protestant Establishrn,,en orts,e,
midst of a Roman Catholic country.—(Cheers.) unased,e
occasions he maintained that opinion, and he was prep n to
repeat it now, that such a principle was in oppositler„ tier,
first principles of justice—( Hear, hear)--that it was ts-est);(
sition to the obvious dictates of sound policy—( Hear, best)
as they knew they were opposed to the ractice and Oahe olv,)
every country in Europe.—(Cheers.) Ireland svasitelyer''
country in which that experiment failed, and he bad )lobs
ence to judge of the results which had taken place•-7,ted
hear.) He would say the same, if it was attererotsl;
establish and maintain a Catholic Church in a Pfer'we'c''
country—( Hear, hear)—or to maintain an Episcopal ode'
in a Presbyterian country— t (Hear hear)—and he felt 60" ,tBoic"
gree of shame and re measure,
that Scotland had raised i , 1540
against the proposed measure, when he remembered daft?:
tempts made by this country to impose episcopacy on o',/ bli
and how the attempt was defeated by the stern spirits teithi;
northern fellow-countrymen.—( Cheers. ) He knew 15- t
be told—and he had heard it during the debate--that 'aple
principle were admitted, that the great majority of the b red i°
were to determine the religion which should be establisf 010'
any country, that it would lead to the establishment,Ly ea'
dooism or Mahometanism in many portions of their we';;,l
tended empire. He denied that inference. He Were-, *6l'
there was a proper, a distinct, and a broad line of den-ine ber
between those professing Christianity and others living rie
then darkness, and in the performance of heathen rittd potl
awcoteudl d
towards ask
ewho o
muasne d this
Catholicsa rg argument et
Irelandwhy tahsey
theiesp)
acted towards the Hindoos and Mahomedans ?—( Hear, b
Had it ever been thought politic by the Government, °isle -.-
East to withdraw from the religions cherished by the r-e'bee",
their eastern possessions, the revenues which had
appropriated to their cupport ? What was the case in Ire)
At the time of the reformation they found the Roman 0;
Establishment in that country in possession of large °roe'
tensive revenues. And what course did they then Pubesl'
They acted most unfairly and most unjustly—(Fltrir rose'
and cheers)—for they not only deprived them of turinothsa"
nues, but they transterred them to the support eL_Ttiehs-
clergy and another faith. The people still remained 01'4.00
to their ancient faith, and yet this by a strange mislglogrie,
called the Protestant reformation, and by an equally south
hallucination they ,termed the Protestant Church, the cordls;
of lreland.—( Cheers.) He could not fail to give his red 00"
assent to the second reading of this measure. He es." p£ i 0
what might be the intention of her Majesty's Govern—epr,
granting this Bill to the Irish people, he but saw in thet
sure a step taken on the part of the British Parliatneed ap
would do themselves credit, and be fully understood 3,0, e
preciated by the people of Ireland—a step that would, Pe'ss' bP
6.-e Irish nation that their Church should not 11'117 the 74
stamped with odium, and that Protestants, howev,,,e-oolic-
might deplore the errors which they believed i."Thathi
professed, would not yet deny them their ernkreli
and their support. He did not deny, be
believed that this country had derived many advantages Coo':
the blessings of the Protestant Reformation, and "-WO"
sympathise with the petitioners who bad approached the 10Y
upen that important question, but he must say that "„ eshi-
to advance the blessings of Protestantism was not by antbrir
bition of ultra-exclusiveness ; the way to prop!gateibe pr
of
tianity was not by attempting to coerce people into of
e
fession of it, a mode which was alike contrary to the aritv
God and repugnant to their fellow-creatures. With shoe°
,rsod
ciples of several of the petitions presented to that WI 'Pe
he presented one of them himself, he perfectly sgreee'by the
petitioners founded their opposition to the Bill pro) to
t,
Right Hon. Baronet on the general principle that all f.'
jt s, irede
dowmenta were contrary to the Word of God, and the they
prepared to refuse to the Roman Catholics only witats or
would, on a similar principle, have refused to all other ter
denominations. But when ho (Sir George Grey