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London, England, 1845-05-01 00:00:00

Group B.

The Committee re-assembled this morning at twelve o'clock, and
proceeded with the engineering evidence in the case of the
LEEDS AND WEST RIDING JUNCTION RAILWAY,
Mr. ALEXANDER obtained leave from the Committee to cross.
examine Mr. Hawkshaw, the Company's engineer, on behalf of a
Mrs. Mary Anne Walker, the present possessor and owner of
Shiddon Hall, near to the town of Halifax. The object of this
cross.examination was to show the Committee that the estate in
question, which had long been a place of some note in the county,
would be dreadfully disfigured, and, hi some respects, totally de-
stroyed by the progress of the proposed West Riding Railway.
The witness admitted that the deviation of the line would demo-
lish one of the buttresses of the mansion, and the line itself would
pass through a kitchen garden and a pleasure ground attached to it.
Mrs. Walker is, unfortunately, a lunatic, and this was urged by the
Learned Counsel, and acknowledged by the witness to be an addi-
tional objection to the line passing near to the mansion.
Mr, Huy then remind his cross.examination, and the witness

—...
was severely severely catechised upon a long-cntrsted point in rally's,.
tactics, namely, the power or expediency of dispensing
The w, •
stationary engine upon inclines with secure gradients.
ness neve' theless persisted that there was no necessity for tita-
ness
engine, and mentioned several instances where hundreds
a oingle
of tons of goods are daily carried up heavy inclines by
locomotive engine.
Mr. A SpLAN D, on behalf of the Halifax turnpike-road, cress-W:1
mined Mr. Hawkshaw, with the view of showing that engines .ante
carriages running at that point at I in 100 would he dangerous
-
with
ta
the pulic
In rebplysaf toety. a question from the Committee the witness said it
was not the intention of the West Riding Company
Their lines,
part of their tines upon the atmos • atmospheric principle' rds h•
however,
,would be so constructed, that if it should afterws
ii
to the •
thought desirable the atmospheric power could be apPlied
to work An

Group X.
LONDON AND YORK RAILWAY.
The Committee re-assembled this morning, Lord Courtenay in
the chair.
Mr. PAGET, for the promoters, called Mr. Samuel Daldoc.
k
printer, of Barnet, who deposed that that town had alien off in
trade since the Great :-'orth-Road had been diverted hY
ex-
isting railways. The population of Barnet was near What the
. _
Cross-examined by Mr. TALBOT—Did not know what the pried
of coal would be if this rail aay were established. Had heard that
they might expect at /. p ton. . l cl-
Cross-examinedit Iby Mr.er CROWDER, who appeared for .. Lathe
owner against the London and York Railway.—Believed t.,o_,
t'
e
trade of Barnet had been reduced by the coaches being takctakencsu
road.
Mr. J Duckworth was then called and examined bY Ur. Dr:os;
NISON—The witness spoke to the nature of the produce raised.
the land round Barnet. This produce consisted chiefly of 11"56(
and the greater part of it went to London- A cheaper incsie too
conveyance than at present existed would be a great
the district. Property in Barnet had greatly depreciated in I
since the coaches had been taken off. „a he
Mr. John Hopewell, a grocer at Barnet, was then called. s' /.0
stated that the trade of the town had greatly fallen off of late..nce
obtained his goods from London. There was no water conve," „f
London;
from London to Baritet. The cost of carriage fom
sugar was Sd. a cwt. By railway it would be about 4id. Per toted
,ind he ,t: e,
Mr. Buckle, an ironmonger in Barnet, was called,
that he got the principal part of his stock from London' He rto
advert
vain`
eived about two tons per week from London. He also noero-
the depreciation in the value of property in I3arnet. fle "A i,
perty himself which had cost him 4,0001.,, and which hecould n°ll
now for 2,000/. The present amount of general goods per el
te-eg
brought into Barnet was about 75 tons. examined
Mr. Lucas, banker, of Hitchin, was then called and to
by Mr. KINGLAKE—He deposed to the quantitY
London
shilling
Hitchin to
quarter.Lo n dio,nh.e
totalTh e
ecoosstt of
beforecarritahgee t
maltoLo
into the warehouse of the brewer in London was abcootiti;eA °Pen;
ton. By a railway, if it should be established, the cost wow' oil
obfeemonotr,eeytahharne.ss.
spoecrht.ons.arioHge
would give
tivheeraeofortme,pPerteurser co,
to the
.50. o
trade of Hitchin. The price of coal at Hitchin was about 'OO/,
ton. The coal used was Derbyshire coal. He would es° .t of
a year in the reduction of the price of ceal by the establislua% ,
a railway. The railway would reduce the price of brielOwl
Jo
thousand. There waoformerly a tanning trade at Hiechitorre
might be restored by railway being established The co, .beid,
Con of coal was about 6,000 tons annually, or about ato Per re•
sentTh e savingani nunitnntfh
tehcea rproi
na gees oraftceosailnwHouttledhimo.ore thanadoyle
gthtilio
Tette°.
Cross-examined by Mr. V. LEE, who appeared for the „eet
ham and Farringdon-street Railway Company. Ferrin,,,gLin: re°
Oa .
oot
station would be much more convenient than the N.P.'
station. _.„ and
isToethet"powi
Cross.examined by Mr. WELLS—The line of the
Eastern Company is now complete to Hertford, and it is :Prto the
to carry it on to Hitchin. That line is more ben ,divrill
county of Hertford tln.n the proposed London an
would be if it were constructed. The population within the
of Hitchin is about 20,000. _„ 3 good
Re.examined by Mr. KINGLAKE—He thought there
eld•
l' ig.
communication diagonally from King's-cross to amithfi

Group E. ki WAYS.°
NEWCASTLE AND BERWICK LINE OE !layout if
This Committee continued today to hear evidence .n,3-3,00.430.
this proposed line. Wm. Henry Barkett, Alderman °f —pt a line
Wm. Hind, who had been ten years endeavouring to a- toogli
, spoke lerY 0%00
through Northu nberland, and Mr. Hutt, M. r.
of the advantages likely to accrue from the Newcastle and
lines. nv adfanti.
Thomas Harrison, civil engineer, spoke to the genera. c ein%
170 feet, and the other being 150 feet,
geous nature of the gradients, with the exception tieyl°' one
ten
them fur the purpose of avoiding a passage through Lordsoceail
property. The viaduct in the principal streets throt4h 1,2.2 tee"
was 75 feet, while the Brandling Junction in Gateshead"
from which no inconvenience was felt. which had r Goo

Group G and G 2.
WILTS AND SOMERSET RAILWAY.
_A to.dalt
The inquiry into the merits of this railway was reauetn,r,..„wittee•
before the Chairman, the Hon. T. H. Liddell, and th oast
ttendat?
The Committee assembled at twelve o'clock, ties
interested in the line being as large as on the
previous dayc!.s
the
investigation. stated ths.
Previous to entering into the evidence, the CITAIRMAN and
having some very urgent business to attend to to-morrow'
consWittee."
such being the case with two other members of
great in or
_ono
would put it to those interested whether any
aftet the P oc
would, result from adjourning the Committee
until Monday. entects Mr.
The counsel on both sides having immediately aSan wdeams.
gentles
Merewether was about to open the case of Captaol
tion o to.
t when by a proposal from Mr. Brunel, the opPosi
eafeeret'
man's behalf was obviated, of the
Mr. GREENWOOD proceeded to open the c_A•-- rorMation
to teheity of the
shire Canal Company. The Company object'. the - c
neeabioa
th "lot' formed.
the branch to Radstock, from a conception that
line would be in no degree affected if this branch Was
of the ob.
that °C., welt Coal.
It appeared from the evidence of Mr. Brunel,
jects of the Railway Company was to open uP the Ilausboey sad
field. The advantage of this would be getting the Titnt,, $
Radstock coal up to Bradford by the Warminster bra by the
very slight difference of price the coal could now be earrir-nereli
canal, while the effect of forming the railway would be toeh With
destroy the property of the canal. This canal, eater'"
the
assistance of tram.roads from the pits and by the 60*A
way the coal from the whole of the Somersetsbire C°""solte
was conveyed into the Kennet Canal, and thence into the t or,,
Canal, and thus through a large district. The canal had Pt;
wards of 260,0001., upon which no dividend at all had Pe.
for fourteen years, and on an average only three.and-a' "rietorl
cent. had been paid. The Act of Parliament entitled the PrnPdesthe
to take ten per cent., but from the moderateness of their eha4isipat
greatest profit ever obtained was only six per cent. on the more
capital. The Canal Company had always been ready to ear. it Ws/
coal than had ever been offered by the coal masters, so tba,be
Ac
evident no disadvantage had been suffered by the public. 7;,r the
enabled the proprietors to charge 2%d. per ton Per °taxi; 1
whole distance of ten miles, which was the length of the e.- f'ad's
Company might charge 2s. Id.; their usual charge veas, hnteelebet the
ton per mile, whirls for the whole distance would be Is.
Company only charged one shilling for the whole of this n oich
The Somersetshire canal locked into the Kennet and Al° rie was a
took the coal up to Bradford, and for which carriage thecompsai
further charge of 9d. a ton. The capital of the Canal , flasher
ga nest de•
was divided into a great number of shares held by pant.' le
of persons, and the property of these persons would be -id sec°
s ehe
stroyed. The real question wa whther t public h°n
I.*
their coal at Bradford, which they could do withollt the
or at Frome, which would save a water carriage of eight Coat;
Mr. Carpenter, Secretary of the Somersetshire `ht
teee ani
pany, and who had been in that office between eig Wits:
nineteen years, was produced to prove the outlay tooter
but '
this was admitted on behalf of the railway escil
The highest dividend ever paid was 121. ICts* this vis
share of 1501. This was in 1842. In the following ir.et year „6
reduced to Cl. 10s., and to 81. in 1844. In ISIS, the or-er shall
which a dividend was declared, the division was 11. IL"'hpli /slue°
and it then gradually rose to the sum stated above. l'rs, reglS;
these 150/. shares waswhich was) the .300041;
tired price ; but a share was sad to have been sold the was ref
for 84/this was hearsay. The price charged for ,c 1: tee Ace'
a ton per mile, less by la
halfpenny than the suns wh'cor, Can-n
gave them, and the whole charge to the Kennet and was on an
was one shilling. The price of coal at the pit's mouth ,oppli
average !net:a-guinea a ton, and the district the s I{o'
IV means of this canal, and through esati.
net and Avon and the Wilts and ner— ftesdif6;
swinden,
comprised Bradford, Trowbridge, Abingdon,
Newbury, Hungertord, the village and vale of Fuse4Y„,.}great/whole of the centre of Wilts, Marlborough, and Devil% slailyfrii
part of this district lying on the line of the Great Westert-he 009%-e
though the latter towns do now approach it; by t;
of the whole of them would be interfered with ers-t.
proposed railway. The quantity of coal carried by th:4sirit
shire Canal in 1843, was 128,000 toes, and in IF,,omilathl I
124,000 ,ons, but he was unable tosay what sves thfo-f. ineit'"et
amount of toll received, but it did not amount to 10,0."--
neatif
year.
%,, Carr tile
On his cross-examination by Mr. SLYHEAD, ''"'"itio 00
confirmedcapitei.Thheisdisptareuvcieouufs
Tervoiidvebnriedegeasfrotmce tithiveidueneed/
nfli;csorterroCieni
veyance was about, or within, two miles, which had to he os he d
horse and cart, the whole weight conveyed by such tee„iage sllce
about four tons, and the cost wast about Is. a ton for Cao;-001aon-4
turnpikes. There were
to the south, though there might
tns
be towards
ttr the
ftoo.
,bryerethe Kennet and Avon Canal into the rivert tiOvgit
lasaddbbeeceunbnyofsrtuospt.paagbehothuagttlhheerhecaodlluec,,ttekdubeywudractottygl:c'oeit,
tiers h
coal occasioned by the stoppage of the canal, Were ns:
To the Chairman Mr. Carpenter stated that therebore d,,10
m termcdiate stations for depots of coal, but t
Br the csrl"
ample opportunity for forming a depot at
largest quantity of coal ever carried hY fitnliweing le:vr
was 162,000 tons, in 1841, the excess above the le'''. itsibv-it
being occasioned by the demands of the Great WeSter- diStC
If the demand for coal from Dorsetshire and the adininia esntitft
were to be largely increased, the canal could carry double the
oughtg tbli
no teal
Is.
in the year of which he had spoken. PeetIs. a ton would be an excessive charge for lifting coals t-r°llltto ,
of gettlo%0 Fro®
eft
the canal to the railway carriages. The way
would be by the canals to Trowbridge, thence by railwaY
ed duel'
and if the railway were formed, the coals would be cars etsirieh
from Radstock by rail. It appeared by Mr. Entwistle's. old be read!
that the extra expenses of keeping the conveyance wouta,,,,oent.
out thus—ls. 9d. from Radstock to Bradford, 9d. for tally"; opli
plus the charge direct from Radstock to Frome, which, e bad 10
half the distance. The freight and the quayage and Inc- sg
, the
be added to this, the freight being about 9d. a ton.
stated that he
To the inquiries of Mr. YORKE, the witness
price of coals at Bradford would reach to ISs. a ten' thuri-eg
could not assert that it would not exceed that price' rail
last year the canal had never been stopped by droue.of"
coat bl,l is
To an inquiry by Mr. ENTWISLE—TI:e carriage
ton.
from Radstock to Trowbridge would be 15. to Is. ed• a
closed the case of the Somersetshire Canal Company' Th. ben" s,,aa
t na
Mr. WHATELEY was about to open the cases of Dr• betW`-
r the
Mr. Hughes, but during the conversation which ensuress -
Prom him and Mr. Slyhead, who appeared for the Pr
railway, of the 0.
Mr. WEATHERIiaLL announced that the opposition the co
sham.road Commissioners had been withdrawn, and that,,nodsoOte
very reir oppo.
reissioners felt bound to state their sense of the
manner in which the Railway Company had obviated t
sition. Was 100
The opposition of Dr. Brabant and Dlr. Hughessof ve,
withdrawn.
Mr. Fuller was a witness on behalf of Mr. Anst
by the tee
vizes, whose kitchen.garden would be destroyed by f
He considered the ':use would be entirely sPot'''"iwc c
d
railway. He had marked out ancther line leis ed. I'l
construction by which the house would be altogether a
"
'
in whic"
the adoption of this line another station might be de' e
and
ishele
• e
the disadvantage of the elevation of the town of Devi,s
so to I,
T'o
the Bear Field, where the terminus was at present In.°P°Ahe
would be lessened, and the alteration was quite within several
of deviation, and the ascent would not be so steep 39 00
places on the road between Devizes -and Chippenhanehetown,
would be a convenience of 13U or 14') yards in distance batooeut.
and save a great destruction of property, and all the crate

m So. 7 ;
Sub-Committee No. 2.
This Committee re assembled at Twelve o'clock, in r°°- or Den'
pmrer.seDnetedScirs, Jmorh.ny.Yrakredeanßdumllerr.,LCeghha.irman, the O'Connor
The first case called 'on was
acGai
sosTtotuel:erih:s
eci:h
niot
Le:cern:en:en,
iteirnxoawgiioLlawnt
ryEhawey
with
D DONCASTERas
THE GORAILWAY'
and
maricts traversed by Midland Railways and the S__bc;eh Oaf
~ti,:oieasbfwesiinfiretooill:nneidaDn,odncLaisntecroi,r
line
a.P
it:dprit
Shandthe sillistone auti W"4"v"--
as tile

elds, with the above-named port. Length of line 18 miles ;
er.imated cost 9.80,000/. Engineers, G2orge Leather and Son.
Mr. ELLicomne appeared for the promoters of tie line.
Petitions were press nted frozn the following gentlemen &gall st
the promoters :

The Proprietors of the Navigation of the Itii or Don—Agent,
Mr. Sheppard.
From Mr. Robert Baster, landed proprietor—Agent, Mr. Parkes.
From Messrs. Knight and Jones, landed proprietors—Agent, Mr.
Lang.

Timm was also a petition from a Mr. John Fordon, but no agent
I,PPearing on his behalf, the petition falls to the grow.d.
Th 3 formal notices having been proved,
Mr. SHEPPARD on behalf of the proprietors of the River Don,
'Omitted the first allegation in the petition.
The allegation was, that the notices which appeared in the
Gazette and newspapers were insufficient for the objects of the
Present Bill, inasmuch as the original notices were for application
to Parliament for a line of railway of 32 miles in length, whereas
they hail since Abandoned nearly one half the works, and their
Bill now asked but for power to make a Inc. of 18 miles.
Mr. ELLICOMBE maintained that the notices were good, inasmuch
" they had not taken any new districts by the present Bill, and the
notices in the Gazette had provided for the owners and occupiers
of the proi.erty to be affected.
Mr. SHEPPARD contended that the notices were informal. He
would refer the Committee to the precedent in the case of the Direct
~,
,°lthcrn Railway, which was thrown out of the Standing Orders'
"ounittee, principally through their having abandoned the greater
part of their line. There was another case in point, that of the
:elle and Dereham, which was also thrown out; and the promoters
W that line had only abandoned a very small portion of their werks.
he room
parties as then cleared, and, after some deliberation, the
were called in, and informed by the CHAIRMAN that the
'landing orders In that instance had not been complied with.
~...110-hext allegation was, that tt.e promoters proposed in their
esill to let cn lease part of their works to the Midland Railway
enb'Parly, whereas the notices issued did not mention that fact ;
42_14 that this was asking for powers not only for themselves but for
the Midland Company to add to their existaig works.
The room was cleared, and upon return,
gad The CHAIRMAN said, that in this instance the standing orders
not been complied with.
MA few trifling allegations were then sustained, on the ground
nsofEcieney of notice to certain owners and occupleis of pro.
~.!mi the proposed line,
4118- closed the petition for the proprietors of the River Don
itzt ion.

Group 0.
GRAND JUNCTION POTTERIES LINE.
gthe Committee having met at the usual hour,
The'ytited p CHAIRMAN, in reference to the point which had been urged
--4 Y by Mr. Macaulay, of being allowed to give evidence on
The Pa
to Part of certain landowners in the Pottery districts, with respect
ssai "e schemes of railway for those districts, said that he had con.
omit:a Members of great experiet:ce upon the subject, and their
ap_aloo was, that Counsel cn behalf of the landowners might be
Aeed to give •
Cogeneral evidence in reference to those schemes.
opeland, ge
M.P. for Stoke.upon.Trent, examined—l was one
e promoters of a railway scheme for the Potteries, with a
I attend ving a communication towards London and Liverpool.
.0,4
attending
the meeting of the 18th of October. There were per.
attending on behalf of several railway companies. After
1;7'4 the various lines discussed, and the opinions of
Itu7 constituents I advocated the line from Rugby by
luitelY and Stone to Crewe. I think the line to
d inconsistent with the I.ne I har just mentioned. The
lf
ral opinion was in favour of the Beirkenhead. The line to
041 would not be listened to for a moment. I always op.
to
the line from Bassford to Stoke. I presented a memorial
tior7rl Dalhousie against the line proposed by the Grand June.
e°6""Pany. The preamble of the Bill for the line which
it:Preferred Ccinuzionswas passed by a Committee of the House
It „., after being sixty.fonr days before them.
the not followed up on account of the lateness of the session and
advoe,.at expense which it would occasion. The line which I
Post"'`ed was a line from Manchester to London through the
lag 6'lll'. The Churnet Valley line were defeated on the Stand.
.I.'ers. They still intend to come to Parliament for their line.
ohrjo''s examined by Mr. COCKBURN—We intend to propose, as
end f the Churnet Valley scheme, a line from Macclesfield by Leek
Toxeter, to join the Derby Junction line at Willington.
inn: line between Stoke and Leek is also to stand. There is also a
114 7°P°sed from Leek to Congleton. There is to be a double
pose from Leek to Stoke and from Congleton to Stoke. We pro.
-
trent-ov carry the line from Stoke to Rugely, and to run on to the
Vrd . ancy line. Ido not know if the line from Stoke to Stat.
" altogether abandoned. I was a director of the Trent
wil'hieY line. I did not cease to be a director of that line
b: View to the promotion of the present scheme. I ceased
with the a director, tecause some arrangements were made
Vane Eirrningham and London Company for leasing the Trent
ultiouahtline:tomf
ywhich I was kept in ignorance, and therefore
services were no longer necessary. It is part of
A .. s
.eheble to make a line from Stoke to Crewe by Harecastle.
,
tileoinel should be cut through Harecastle. I cannot say what
osa.."Pettse might be. We were always led to believe that the
to an ;Pence
Company would make a line from Stoke
Ptele„',"ve• Mr. Kinnersly is a petitioner against the
to bU ", scheme. I heard that he was offered 30,0001.
miller °fr his opposition in 1837. That appeared before the Com-
ehe °f which I was a member. Mr. Kinnersly was in favour of
tat,r°P°sed scheme, but his opinion is changed. He thinks that
ett,scherne will be of more benefit to the Potteries. The object
b„ Churnet Valley line was to give the Potteries accommodation
char
bran
e" from Leek to Stoke. I intend to be a considerable
branch
in our present project. The shares are not yet allotted.
o,!_ 0 fire capital is paid up. The Trent Valley are to takean interest
1`30u)00 ,000/.
, The Churnet Valley are to have 1,300,000,., and
colopo", are reserved for local interests. The direction was to be
Valve seven directors for the Churnet Valley, two for the
that shY, and six to represent the Potteries. I amd
andawßairre_
troothsatu "e Churnet Valley is in the hands of the Lo.nonoo
Company. It is perfectly unknown to me if itd
with the
the
Chu,.,r :7o that there were some arrangemenotfs
anmaamealgamation
Of 47 Valley for leasing the line, in the way
eot rests.
Clrdder nlan Copeland was then examined at great length with
aw" statements he made at meetings, wishing for a line to
ta be made by the Grand Junction Railway.