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appeared to he the sense of the

The Petition was then read. It ',Heger] Various
acts of bribery on the part of the Duke of Marl-

borntigii, in furnishing entertainment, gilts, awl

rewards to Voters at the late Election for the

City of Oxford, in order to procure the return of

Gen. St. John, a one of its Representatives in

Parliament. The Petitioners aro ed to make good

their charges before a Committee of Privileges,
told in such case, l►rayed that the House would
afford that relief to the Commons of the Realm

as in their wisdom shonlit seem proper.

. .
Mr. DENMAN moved, that this Petition should
lie upon the table.
Air. WYNN solid, that as he heard the Petition
read, he had 4;teat doubts whether this we, not
in itself an lile,ction Petition. It stated a fact,
1.1.,.hich, if true, would render the Election Void,

alirgitig not Tully that' large sums had been ex-
peuded firr purpose of procitriug a return, but
that. by (bcse hiv:iits the IT:11111 in question bail

• 4.... .
t,ret► e•ttcrter+. It there I+:•re atIV doubt on the

s►:r,;cc:, it toTilt be advisable to adjusiro the cop-

311 On of iili Monddy next.

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doubt with) respect to the point anded to, it
might be more judicioni to adjourn the conside-
ration of it, than to decide off hand a question
which must depend on the force of pArticular ex-
pressions.
The Petition, was then postponed till Monday,
and ordered to be printed. -
The Westminster Hastings Bill was committed,
and the report ordered to he received on Monday.
SILVER COIN,
Mr. GRENPEILL said, that on Wednesday he bad
railed the attention of •the Right Hon. Chancellor
of the Exchequer to a subject of great importance,:
namely, the market price of silver, as compared
with the Mint value, He had then stated that the
mat ket !nice of silver was ss. 71-d. an ounce. On
all occasions of this sort it was necessary to pro-
cure the most accurate information. Accordingly,
he went on the following day into ,the City, to
procure a tine statement of market price, and
found that standard silver—that is, sodh as shillings
and sixnences were made of, was ss. 7d. or G7s.
a pound. This, it was obvious, musts ptodoce the
greatest inconvenience. 'The fact, however ridi-
cuious it might appear, really was, that 665. were
now worth 675. It seemed absurd to say, that there
was no difference between 66 and 67, but tinfor-
tutottely, in consequence of the system which had
been pursued, it was now really a- fact, that
GGs, in the bullion market were uqtial to 675.
A melter of silver only need put 66 shillings into
a crucible, and expose them to what was callesl
sharp fire, and presently he would have from these
66 shillings a lump of silver, which he might sell
for 67 11illinga. Such was the state io which
the country was now placed with respect to its
coin. He could oot pot any confidence in the
expectation which was lidd out as to the resump-
tion of cash payments by tie Bank, while things
were in this state. Nor, indeed, 'when he le-
collected the opinions held by the Right Hon.
Gentleman opposite on vitriol's other subjects,
which had been so completdy contradicted by
facts, could he have any faith in his arguments as
to this. Could the House forget the opinions ex-
pressed by Ole Right lion. Gent , now Chancellor
of the Exchequer, on the bullion question ? In
the debates on that occasion, he had maintained,
that Bank-notes, in the opinion of the country,
were equal to specie and he not only had said
this, but had persuaded the House to pass a re--
solution to that effect. That ridiculous resolution
was scarcely entered upon the Journals—the ink
was scarcely dry, when in the market, a matt
who wished to purchase a guinea must give not a
pound note and a shilling, but must add five
shillings more. Perhaps he would now be told
that it was illegal to melt down the coin. lie
certainly knew that there was an impolitic law
against exporting coin ; impolitic, he called it,
because such every law of the kind had been held
by every writer trom Locke to those of the pre-
sent day ; and absurd, because such in fact it was,
seeing that it was totally ineffective. Such a law
must al ways be found inoperative. But what
made him chiefly desirous of attracting the atten-
tion of the House to this most important subject
was, (hat if silver continued at its present price,
the country, already deprived of its gold coin,
„vow not a very short while also lose the whole
of the silver currency, and thus be left without
any of tile precious metals in its circulation.—
what this would end in, or what expedient the
Right Hon. Gentleman opposite meant to propose
for remedying the /vil, he did not know. lie dill
not expect that any effective remedy would be
proposed by hint ; and atter what had already
been done, he wool(' not at all wonder it the
Right lion. Gentleman, having already maintain-
'et) that the public was satisfied with n paper pound,
should 3ay that they would he also satisfied with a
paper shilling or a paper sixpence.
Mr. IVELLESLEY POLE,—As to the fact men-
tioned by the Hon. Gentleman opposite, that ac-
cording to the present price of silver, 665. were
Worth 675. it was certainly true. But be did not
e how this could be charged as a matter of corn-

plaint apinst any. lot his Majesty's Mi►►isters.
The principles on which the regulations at the
Mint, with respect to the new Coin, had been
framed, hml. been for the roost part approved even
by the Hon. Gentlema►► himself. The only point
on which the Hon. Gent. (Mr. Grenfell), differed
from him, was in thinking that the seignorage
was not fixed at a rate sufficiently high. The
Hon.. Gentleman thought that six per cent. was
not high enough. (Here Mr. Grenfell said across
the table, that he thought six per cent. high
enough.) If he was not mistaken, the Honour-
able Gentleman wished the rate of seignorage to
be fixed at ten per cent.
Mr. GuEN FELL said, that he certainly did not
recollect that he had ever mentioned the rate of

the seignorage which he thought ought to be

taken, or it he had mentioned it to the Itiltt Hon.

Gentlemaii, it must have been in private conver-

saiion.

Mr W. POLE continned.—The Finn. Gentle-
man must, hosvever, admit, whatever the rate of

seignorage was, that whenever the market ►rice ot

silver exceeded ale mint. price, that very circum-
stance most happen which he now considered as
so surplising, and as to which nothing would
content him but that lie must blame the Ch,an-

cellar of the Exchtquer. It the seignorage; in-
stead of 6 per cent. was made 10 per cent. still,
when the matket price rose to eleven, the
very same thing would happen, and there
would he a profit in melting down the
Coin
But then, as to the inconvenience which

was likely to arise from this state of things,
the Honourable Gentleman kept out of sight
this circumstance, which was of material import-.

ance on tire suhject—narnely, that silver coin was
not a legal tender for any sum exceeding forty

shillings ; therefore, that unless there was some
still greater rise in the price of silver. (which was
by no means probable), he did not think that any
great inconvenience to the public was likely to
arise, for the temptation to melt down the coin
wai not at present sufficiently great to induce
any one to attempt it. As to the laws against
the exportation of coin, be would go the whole
length with the Hon. Gentleman in condemna-
tion of them. He thought they were not net ely
futile, but even worse. This subject had not
escaped the attention of ,his Majesty's Ministers,
hut it was no law of theirs. It was the old lAw
of the couutry, at least as oP, Ii bulievcd,

as the reign of One Uizaheth, or• vin older
than that. The expediency of altering or repeals
ing it was a very fit subject for the consideratiou
of that Committee which it *as prOposed should
be appointed. But the present market price of
silver was not such as be thought likely to make it
any inducement to export our silver cult. There
was one curious circumstance Mt kelt. would
mention to the House as a proof that the present
high price of silver was owing to some temporary
cause :—Dollars, which were 2d. an ounce worse
than standard silver, at present sold at the rate of
2d. an ounce more than the standard silver, ac-
cording to the market price. This was entirely
owing to the temporary demand for dollars in the
East India market, and was only temporary
He therefore thought' that the present rise in
silver was owing to some such temporary catise.
But if it should taro out not to be so, and that
the preseet seignorage was not adequate, he knew
bat Of one remedy, and that was a legislative one.
Parliament most then consider the subject, and
provide such remedy as might he thought must
effectual. But he must repeat his conviction that
the evil was temporary, and would soon cease. As
to the question of the Bank Restriction, lie had
erear difficulty in seeing how this applied to it.
That question always appeared to him to be a
mast intricate one, and he must consider that
with all the attention which he had given to it,
a though -he had read all or neatly all the Many
publications relative to it, he was much at a
loss to come to a conclusion upon it. lucre
was this singularity in that question, that it
was one on which no •twa persons seemed
to agree. He bad spoken :with many persons
upon it, but he did not find any two of them
agreed in their views. He had read many
works upon it, but no two of their authors were
agreed upon it. He had heard many debates
int it, in which no two Members were agreed
in their views. Even on the other side of
the House no two Members agreed upon
it. Nay, among the Bank Directors them-
selves, there were no two agreed upon it.—
(Hear, hear, and laughter.)—ln this state of
things he certainly thought that the appointment
of a Committee to consider the question was the
most proper way of coming to a right conclusion,
anal in the Committee he trusted that all party
feelings would be laid aide, and that Members
would come to the. discussiou with candour and
calmness, convinced of the importance of the
subject, and of coming to that decision which
would be most comformable to the interests of
the country.
Mr. ‘ViasoN (or London) said a few words in
a low tone. lie thought that the present system
was a good one under certain restrictions, and
that a paper currency tnightbe so regulated as to
be extremely beneficial.
Lord A. Ilamitrotst, remarking on what the
Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. W. Pole) hail said
of the various opinions on the OnPositiou side of
the House, on the Bank Restriction, sa'd, that
if he . wished fora patter,' of incoasistencies, he
need only refer to that Right Honourable Geo-
tleman himself and his Colleagues. His Hon:
Friend had mentioned a signal instance of these
—namely, the notorious resolutiOn passed at- the
instigation of that Right Hon. Gentleman, now
Chancellor of the Excheqace, settiog forth that a
Bank •note was, in public estimation, equal
G I
205.. while at the very momeat wheo - that
in resolu-
tion
was recorded, the
old Coin Bill was !, pro-
gre:s,
was temptation
solution it was declared thereno
there be
to do. ‘Vhatever inconsistencies
gre.iis, prohibiting that by law which by this re-
evil, and that was
on this, that there was butt one
care,
and
at least all were agreed
the
r 1
3gahnokn t
;1; of paper into coin.
that was the convertibility
Id not but notice 'hat
Rtielestrcientui:nl'and but one.
Mr. TIERNEY aaid, he con.
not fairly treated by the Right
of his Hon. Ftiend (Mr. Grenfell's)
Hon. Gentleman opposite I
is
aat the piesent
W. Pole.)
Hon. Friend's ohservatim was, 1
.1
o theb s erovbajteictirn Was _
(Mr.
11
not a sufficient protection to our
the Right Hon. Gentleman
he hoped the drain would nut last.
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enrOcroa roe. W,f113,0
this
replied, that
too ,
bor hen
He (Mr. T.) heartily hoped
of.
the Right
that was all a mete speculation
Gentleman. Then the, Right Ho-
itHtlt:,,nr°,bl:l)l(e;entletnan said, he had taken geat
pains to make himself master of the subject of
the Bank Restriction; that he had read all die
that had ever been written upon it;
it)rilt7iPilets
without being able to make up his mind two'

it. I-h would, however, beg the (tight Hon.

Gentleman to read one other pamphlet, which

. .
he would venture to say the Right Honourable

Gentleman had not yet read, which he was sure
the Chancellor of the Exchequer would not re-
commend to him, and which he himself had only
met with that very morning ; it was " A Letter
to the Right Hon. Robert Peel, by one of his
Constituents in Oxford.", Who the author was
he did not know ; but, whoever he was, he was
an hoilour to that University. It the Right
lion. Gentleman would read that pamphlet, be
would venture to say, it would give him some ad-
ditional information. He was glad that, they
were to have the Right Lion. Gentleman's re-

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settee on Tuesday; and, as he said he had always
been of opinion that the question was one vlticit
ought to be referred to a Committee, he was glad
to find him now, for the first time, inclined to act

ultnn if.
Mr. W. POLE explained.—The Right Honour-
able Gentleman (Mr.Tierpey), altering or adding
one or two words, had contrived to make it ty.

pear that he (Mr. Pole) had said the very reverse
of that which he really had, lie had not said
that he was always of opinion that the subject
ought to be refilred to a Committee. The %void

always was added by the Might lion. Gentle-
man, and he knew that he did it with the loten-

-tioo of [linking hint appear titlicoloos to the
Floose.—(imoglityr llight Honourable

Gtntlemau's talent tor ridicule was (me for which

he had Mien been admired,
_especially for his

adroliness in using it against his opponents when
he had no argument at hand. He ILA no doubt,
that in the course of ais Session, the Right Hon.

Gentleman would sissist his want of argument very
much by this talent ; but be was s►►rry that the
first of this sharp-shooting had been directed
against .him.—(Latighter.)—He would, how-
ercr, read the pamphlet which the Right lion.

Gentleman ii.6iiiiiencled. Anil eig4l" l'e . ell
.
me
not but express his satisfaction that 14 9°,1 bi
Chasein bi
matt to be refetred to -8 Cointnittee
ballot—(li i 11 1
angoter ~—ae repeated. it, eli°selos
r , all' ,
ballot, f,dr that was the iairest icay 0. -r) ii.
t 11.114
each Member to name those whiiym be -,
most proper to sit on that Conimittee. li•
.I‘ll% GRRNFELL explained.—He entirej"y '
pawed :iiitscititlessil hereilintregiednacilieitiin.s.
. .„
ll , iti
Mr. S ENIARI WORTLEY obtained leave to bri".D. -
Bill to regulate the Cutlery Trade in England.
..i, totfi
been
nir 1kp1,..01p10'.2.1:11113,iy,E-er;::Uri'eferrßtlYn,,mlitAoNtKlieS.measare Wn'itil"
tlasth,r Si
te s,svi4o,i i
intendedrt ia: i ‘. i : ttili:,:Cb. CI
,i.il i 1: 1:1 Inr:y: 113 I:
tirt
forwardli CnSf, the
Its'ijll
this iI: 13");',11 c it: lei'vh.
ay: bi
eli
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQI,3I%I` saild'tth c'il:
considered that question as so Mach connected with ivreirt•
rency of the country, that it Wvuld be proper to ref j
the same Committee. , ei tt!
On the motion of Mr. M.INNII:G there was ora,e,,r,rsoq
he laid before the noose au Aceunrit ,:f the number of ' - til'
procecined liv the Officers of the Mint fOr Counterfeiting_4„,
Coin of the lieiiini, between 10th April, 181% and t°
January, If)l9.—Adjourned.
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CORONER'S INQUEST.—An Limiest cw° i
lies
iyesterdayiitlia
tu I /gi I,,lgifitt.t N
Shee w gate,
‘t.a s t
,b, eiiet:li(eir,evi.eargliii,'lpeljis.r.°.,3,ll‘.6l,,leie
Surt.Tos, Esq. Cotoner, on the bodY clf,, ~,filer-eli
rietta Le Pulley, a female convict, Wbo "' 'a
sentence of transportation, being convic"" ~..
slay Sessions last. She ;at; a naive of Frt:::0"1:
anti WaS connetted with some reSpeer6,ble;;,4oll
conortittiug a rohbery of an ag,,ravated na''' it
She was attacked with an ii fl ,i, ..orV 'isidt
"bnnt a fortni2lit Ewa ~, • !In' tv,,d00b,.:,
last. ~. . t, , and clinic' on ~-
~.I,cfct
FillE —Yesterday mon ing, alit a sei7erlo:- ‘b
g
a lire broke out on the toenos..4 ot %It% 'lt', ea't
Jtdinson, chair and bedstead maker. r"'"'co!
Skinner.street, Long•allev., Moorfiel 1., stirP.`l.4ii
to% i have been occasioned by stone s!'avfil;PS
•I ,cinch bad been carelessly left by the boy ne3. a'
the I
of
.fire. By means of the timely arrival of
%tvearteenrt, tfibree-fleanngtiense:;erealgol't antuled;libtyiful suPPlYtifcr
destroying the whole of the premises
began, together with the adioiuiug house in Ilif
alley, belonging to Mr. Marshal, a grocer.
that
We are re nested to inform our Readers, e 4
Messrs. Coon': and Co. Sur,eons, of Gbari°„lgltir
House, Great Charlotte-street, Blackfriars-r-,-,el
have, in consequence of their extensive rrac !,jitt
and for the accommodatiou of patients at red
West-end of the town. established a Me(ife►v
Board in Woodstock-street, Oxford-street, a f 401
thiors from Bond-street, where a Physician °,,ni.
years' experience, anti a Surgeon of great ‘„e,tielf
nence, reside, i!nd where all the Board altern,- thg
attend, the whole of whom are Members °l'for,
Royal Colleges—.hat thousands have be*" "9'o•
ed to perfect health by their united taient9 iSo
e
versally acknowledged, many of whom lisd -r
a
discharged from Hospitals, and otherwise in'l!°k,
poly t reated.They are consulted at Woo the
House, AVoodstock-street, from Fight i"; 01
morning until Eight at night ; and at the ikle'l 0
BOard, Charlotte-House, Blackfriars- road. fr(! I
Twelve till Eight in the evening ---Mee"ritlicli
have advice gratis every evening from 615
~,,or
Light, at both houses, tinti wo Sentley 10.('‘1,','. 61t
until Twelve o'clock.--. 1.5. Messrs. t,q-11;nt
and Co. beg to observe they have no cinneCt'la
tvi:..t any other concern, therefore all letters, 'lr--,
to be directed to Charlotte-House, adjoinlll'
Black It iars-road.
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COAL MARKET, JANuAr.Y 29.
Ships at Market. Ships sok). Price' 6ch
5.
:1:i N0VC7.,110 . ..20i ' 36s. 0
od. to
si. 0
7 Sulidedaud 6 .. 80s. Od. to 4v _.-1

BIRTHS.
f Coo
On the 21th inst. in River-street, Baths the 1;1"F
ruis:ioner Puget, of the Royal Navy, of a da.,.l,ter* dtott
On. the 37th inst. at {renninon • H •ts the ,--
;. e.
C. Montgomery Campbell, Esq. of a tlaughte:-.

nit?renbtal:iet,2Bttob i,inisstsalnif.
e,
ia.l;:rS,Atbg.i.S:itivE.io(ll,ft;r;;),e Nniro.l.Cou.
r,"11,1101fis',011:11'1;
Will
On.
:01
the 27th inst. at St. Ann's Church, Liven-too'., 1.1
IOIIWO •
Ashmore, E.ii. of Pow's-piaci-, Landon, to .le,sie :Vol._ , of
daughter of Joist] Beckwith, Esq. late Adjutant-Gelle".
Militia in Nova Scotia. ----''

DIED. O
Yesterday, at his scat, Thin pc Lee, Surrey, ;It j: hl
year of his ,ge, must sincerely rezretted and resitee";
Henry Tempest, tint., of TOW' 11 Cour.ty of ~.();1' ta- „ veri
Hope End, County of Hereford—the last branch (0 .
ancient family of the Tema tsts of Tong. tit
On Tuesday last, after a few days' illness, at lttoster,ri;frol!
Lyndhurst, in the New Forest, the Right flon•
".J :till,
one of the Sixteen Peers of Scotland, Hereditary' I,A at
Constable; and Knight Mareschale of S:totland;
missioner to the General A,sembly of the Church
•orose loairr
On Wednesday morning, the 27th lust., Dr. P ,nri st.
physician to his Majesty's fleet, at his apartments, ,iiad
Martin's-lane, London. He had been for some years (1,;(.4,e,
lug health, and latterly was affected with various
sant symptoms about the chest, for which he couldsoil!
: can Ibe day before his death he was untisitall) 01
and in the ,vening of Tuesday, while in earnest tonrcfs: hi*
with' Dr. James Johnsoii, he suddenly put his ha" in
breast and turned pale : he continued fur twrlcv
state of great distress, sometimes fainting, sometimes frier*4
revived, attended by Dr. Johnson, and his intimate JO,
Mr. Menzies, of Chapel-place, Carendish.square • I'ri Oa.
next morning. His body was examined 1)r. J011"3 r't in
Mr. M w enzies, ho discovered that an aneurismaneurismhad
itwl'tla,i;el".'
ternally, and between tbree and tour gum ts Of
found effused in the chest.

AVIS.
13IRTI-1, AND Dr'

B 1 It TM, Wi1101:
Lately, at Plas Bowman, Carnarvon, the tnflY °'
E'rn:hattl Lloyd, of Lim:yd.:art, Ain.tltsey, of a ,

FD. •
On the 21st inst. Mr. MaTnnM, sorgvon, of SpahlWick,..,, pjf•
to Miss Mary Gray, eWest datigiiter of the Jo"'
Gray, ot Hulas. n Of- f,-
Lately, at Hightvich, Devonshire, Mr. George "-'an'ter
Cottoo, near Dartmouth, to Miss S. Walters, (lauh
Nicholas Walters, Esq. of Castle Ditch, HighwieA.

DI ED.
Yesterfay se'unizht, LGUiTit, daughter of Colonel, cL'ifullir
of Ore.-it Ftilfuri lious.:,Devoushire.
Lately, at Nutlet', near Litt:drake, Des ons'aire,
o.l,o,:lierty, of the Royal ittarines.
On Saturday last, at Bedford, the Rev.l.l'llomas Cave:" Or
Lately, at Reps. Norfolk, Mrs. flantiali Branford, 'l3
9.
lonth year of hey age, est,
n o::: Esq. C. ollector of his M/331107.,°:
Customs at the port of Carnarron, and only son of
,sn Gig°.
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