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full and deliberate consideration. The Hon. and Learned Gen-
tleman has said, that the Hon. Seconder of the Address, in advert-
ing to that' passage, of the King's Speech which declares, "that
the Estimates for the ensuing year shall be formed with as much
attention to economy as the exigencies of the public service will
admit," appeared to entertain au alarm that the economy alluded.
to would` be excessive, while, mile other hand, lie himself was
exceedingly apprehensive that it would, fall infinitely short of
what wee. reqUisite, • Really, Sir, we ought to feel some satisfac,
tion at having framed a paragraph with such skill as to excite
opiniens su contradictory.—(A laugh).—The Honourable and
Learned Gentleman, however, says that it is an indefinite. In-
definite it necessarily must be, unless it bad been practicable to
introduce details; but I do assure the Honourable and Learned
Gentleman, that the most extravagant. construction which. his
powerful imagination can put on the apprehension of the Honour-
able Seconder of the Address, is not more 'extravagant than the
antagonist apprehension which the Honourable and Learned
Gentlethan himself professes to entertain. The Honourable
and Learned Gentleman appears to have " some monster in
his thought" the nature of which ,it is impossible for me to
conjecture. All I can say is, that there in nothing in the eon-
temnlation of his Majesty's Ministers which can justify the Hon.
and Learned Gentleman's alarm at that, whatever it may be,
for which, having no place in his Majesty's speech, the Hon,
and Learned Gentleman imagines a place elsewhere. {Mr.
Brougham' said something across the Table which we were
unable to liear.]-L--Then really, Sir, the Honourable and
Learned Gentleman has thrown a greet deal of very good into-
nation away (a laugh.)-:-I NllOlll4 be glad to know on what ter me
his Majesty's Government could secure themselves from the
imputation of criminal e*pence,
,on , the part of the Honourable
anti Learned Gentleman. I grant, Sir, that if the Honourable
and Learned Gentleman thinks we ought, on the spur of a tem-
pory benefit,- to cut down and' exchange all the existing esta-
blishments of the Country, I grant that if that is the Honour
able and Learned Gentleman's projeet, no such thing is in our
intention; nor I ant sure would any such proceeding receive the
sanction of this lionise, nor even of the pepple at large, whom it
professed to benefit. The Honourable and Learned' Gentleman
thiuks that the best accompaniment and consolation to a suffer-
ing people is the suspension of all public buildings.. I am of a
contrary opinion. I think that a continuant* of public works
must he available to their relief. To Inv it appears that, if people
want bread, it is a strange remedy for their distrese, to suspend the
employment by which alone they can procure it. While the
character of this country remains what it is, the decent splendour
of the Crown, and the comfort of the people will never be consi-
dered incompatible objects : the dignity of high stations will not
be regarded with an envious eye ; nor will one class of the com-
munity find any consolation for their own evils in pulling down
another. Not apprehending that any such disposition exists in
any part of the public, I can assure the honourable and Learned
Gentleman, that it is not the intention of his Majesty's Govern-
ment to carry economy to such an extent as to induce that public
to turn round and charge ue with going into an extreme. The
Honourable and Learned' Gentleman is dissatisfied With the decla-
ration in the Speech, that the Estimates shall be farmed with as
much attention to economy as the exigencies of the public service
will permit. Does the Honourable "and Learned Gentleman sup-
pose that there are no exigencies in the public service? Has this
country no station to maintain? Is nothing required from us
towards the maintenance of tranquillity in Europe? May we
tint it a moderate charge, preVent the occurrence of an evil
which, in a single tweleeinonth, would plunge us into an ex-
pence• greater than an ill judged economy would balance in a
course of 'years ? His' Majesty says in his Speech, " that he is ex-
erting'himself with unremitting anxiety, either singly, or in con-
junction with his Allies, as well to arrest the progress of existing
hostilities, as to prevent the interruption of peace in different parts
of the world." Mee the Honourable and Learned 'Gentleman be-
lie* that, in order to effect this object, it is not necessary to main,
thin a considerable naval establishment? If we look at the New
World, are there not contests going on which humanity requires
should be put an end to? In Europe have we not an ally whose
condithin solicits our aid ; sit ally in such a situation, that any lie.,
sitatiud or fluctuation of policy, on our part, might invite an at..
tack upon her?
,May not our presence on the spot prevent an ag-
gression on the power to which I allude? Is not the English fleet
now in the Tagus, ail obviously Wise and economical expence? Will
it not be advisehle to continue that expence, if it is calculated to
prevent an explosions the consequences of which no one can fore-
see? Do not let it he supposed, by my adopting this illustration of
the ireeeesity of a certain establishment, that the policy of his Ma-
jedy's (lasi/no-tent would be to meddle with the internal affairs
of taker eountrleri, 1 trust we know the 'Litwin; of our duty too
well. It is our dirty to take care that time frontiers of Portugal
shall not he crossed by an offensive twiny ; Lot it is not our duty
to) give one faction or party an ascendancy over time
I rest. Th., force which we maintain at Lisbon therefore- is
maintaiued, pot with any view of interfering in the internal
affairs of Portugal ; not with any view of intimidating any party
in POrtUgal ; but simply with a view to prevent such acts of fo-
reign hostility av in their\consermencee might involve Europe in
war, It is on that `ground, Sir, that I take our conduct towards
Portugal as an illitetratien of the wisdoin and necessity of main.
taining certain ceetablish 111VILt S ; and I challenge the Honourable
anti Learned Gentleman, who desirea us to cut down all our
astAtblishments, to pat his hand at this moment on any dour
eutabrialiVorits as unnecessary, in which I will not show that
there are the ,deeds of Safety ; in which. I will not show that
there are the roots of t well ordered, a well-regtilated, and a per-
manent ktonomy. That is got settee in Whieh the Speech ad-
verts to possible exigencies of the iniqic service. There is no
intention tinder that name to, shelter any 4 these extravagant
yeopositions, the probability of which the Hon. and Learned
Gentleman appeere to eontemplate. there is no part of the
policy now proof by One country dependent on the establish-
mente of the,country which I am pot ready to go through, point
by point, and show the wail efficacy and ultimate economy of the
establishment which we trutintain with reference to it ; and that,
Sir, as! conceive, is tye only posethie unmet which i can give
to the ennjectures of the Honourable and Leamed cientleman.
With regard, to the condition of Ireland, I shall only observe
that the absence nt' any topic in the Speech from the Throne doer
not at all irreehole Parliament fFoul entertaining the coneideration
of that topic, if it almopid think fa a 9 to do. The Speech states
those points alone, respecting witidi at is intended by his Ma-
jesty's Government to call on Parliament to adopt aunts proceed-
ing, It is not our intention at present to bring before Parliament
any specific measure respecting Ireland; hut that will not pre-
vent any intlivlduel Member from- agitating the subject. I w
ill
not, howeveri t.ee ipropted, by what bee fallen front the Ho-
nourable and Learned Gentlerrian, to say another word about it.
The Honeurahle and Learned Gentleman knoWs as well as I
do, rind.l know as well as the Honourable and Learned Gentle-
man knows, that if in the course Of the ,Seescion, the question to
which I allude, should come tinder,. our ecinsideration; I shall be
ready to meet—toot the Hon. and Learned Gentleman, fur our
opinions on the question agree,---but the question itself, as I
always have met it, with the most anxious and' determined 'at-
tention. Sir, not having been obhe exactly tt, understand the
of therable atul Learned OrnitJeman'e reeti ch, but
purpose • Honou
understanding that he does pot mean to object.to the Address, I
have perhaps said enough etc the present occasion; bet t cannot
sit down without congratulating the !loose on the accession of
tangents which they have gained in the Honourable Member who
opened the debate of to-night. I trust, from the promising com-
mencement .of that Honourable Member's Parliamentary career,
that lie will not nentlkne Himself to Allis or to any particular subject,
but that he will illustrate by the display of his abilities the venom+
important queitions which fomr %dine to time come under our con-
, that se far -from my
eideration. I may' also be allowed Ito
feeling the part Whielr the Ilonomalde Mover, and the Honotnable
Seconder ,Of the Address have taken this; night the lealt aceeptable,
depend upon their own judgments on the subjects which may come
in conaequewe,4 their declerations that they weredete rodned to ,
under their consideration,that'they wonld endeavour to keep their
minds free from prejudice and span is COOVietioll ; and that tliey
were resolved taemix a general support of the Majesty's
Govert
ment with a general spirit of independence ; experience it;
use, time most bo-
ttom whoni We hope for the !poet beneficial, lieu %
grPitteit pleasure hearing the statement. Snell aee the mm tie
pourable, ant; and it is only with armful:enaliticatione, and under
mil restriction*, tin* hie Majesty', Govertintept Will ask the sup-
port of any man. who now a * this Howe for the first
(ileer, hear, hear.)
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Mr. BROUGHAM, in explanation, deans that he had tiny
psi t fie See the Eetimates reduced beloW what' the erigeneres , -el
the leryice wintld permit.
ktr. HUME rose but the noise in the Howse' was so great that
we wsts_., far tannetinie, :enable accurately to collect the tendency
of the lions Cintlernan's nbservations, He reprobated the indie.
Position epsilon-Ale *eillibited, nn the art of his Majesty's Go-
vernment, to dimmie pint
the Nasal, Military, and Civil establish-
"tionts. ItVitir w they had expressed any in en
here' tl t ran to (.10 'so;
l
thOt eets sari
not reseinbled their' declarations, If tae o,lu
Seconderf 4 I fr
in I) to "leo would read .the Speech kern the - hrenty
1-aliment rtheta the' burden,: ofthe peopl;
4 fikiajo it an unequivocal recommendation to
A • lit nee& -not c:ineAsio a',;,ri fora that retrench-
ment SYO4I lit earyied to ton greata:length '`; ferity referring to the
and the result
eruld show that
intimate!, Abe Hair tlentleluan would find that they cettkoni (44
increaatog thrift 1144t.t5, fits present moment. As to the 'neces-
sity of maintaining Catabhonmentp yiith a view to Wendt the corv•
duet of Foreign Powers, what 61111 be the benefit of interfering