The Sun.
London, England, 1845-05-28 00:00:00

LINES.

Mr. AUSTIN, on the part of the Bury and Il.swich scheme, urged
the ineligibility of the Direct Norwich Company to oppose, in con-
sequence of its allegation of competition being wholly unfounded.
The lines were at right angles with each other, and be contended
that their rival had no locus standi in the Committee whatever.
Mr. ALEXANDER supported the opposition of the Direct Norwich
Company, and founded his demand on the report of the Board of
Trade, which declared the lines to be competing, and had,actUally
rejected the•projcct for which he appeared upon those unquestion-
able grounds. -

The Committee having ordered the room to'be cleared, remained
in discussion for a considerable time, when they came to the de-
termination of proceeding with the Yarmouth and Norwich Ex.
tension, and subsequently with the direct line, withholding any
opinion on the disputed question of the right of the latter to oppose
the Bury and Ipswich.
This decision being at variance with a previous arrangement,
the Counsel for the different lines expressed their inability to pro-
ceed, and after a few formal propositions had been disposed of the
Committee adjourned.

Group EE.
DUNDEE AND PERTH RAILWAY.

On the assembling of the Committee this morning, the room was
cleared for the consideration of the spot at Perth where the ter-
minus should be constructed. On the admission of the public,
The CHAIRMAN stated that the Committee had come to the de-
termination that the question should be left to the decision of the
Board of Trade.

Considerable discussion ensued with respect to this decision
the parties on both sides proposing various ways in which the poi
should be submitted to that Board.

At length it was finally agreed that the course pointed out should
be adopted.

The remaining chutses of the Bill were then gone through seria.
tim, and were agreed to with carious alterations, more particu
larly with respect to the conveyance of passengers and goods.
The CHAIRMAN held that the fares were more exorbitant on this
line than on any other in Scotland.

An HoN. 111EmBER was of opinion that the plan adopted of
preventing persons from remainiug in their own carriages must be
dispensed with on this line.

Other suggestions for the convenience and safety of passengers,
and the running of trains for the less opulent portion of the
public, were made. The counsel for the promoters of the Bill
stated that they would meet with due attention.

The report was then agreed to ; the Chairman said he would re-
port their decision to the House, and the Committee adjourned
until one o'clock on Thursday, when the

ABERDEEN RAILWAY

will be proceeded with.

Group L.
GUILDFORD, CHICHESTER, AND PORTSMOUTH
RAILWAY;
The Committee resumed this morning, when the Duke of Rich-
mond appeared, and stated that there was, to his knowledge, a
great communication between Chichester and Portsmouth, between
Midhurst and Petworth and Chichester, and indeed the intercom-
munication between the several places there was considerable.
There were about 3,000 acres of beech timber in Charlton
and Leighton Forests, and this timber • Was partially
unsaleable, in consequence of the deficiency of the means
of carriage to the coast. The district was also rich as
an agricultural district, but an impediment had arisen from the same
cause, and he thought the proposed line was the best fur West
Sussex. Since the memorial which his Grace had transmitted to
the Board of Trade, there had been meetings at Goodwood, in
which a great desire had been manifested by the South-Western-
Company to meet the wishes of the lasulowners, and a deviation
line had been devised which met all their views. Pro-
posals at that meeting had been made by the South-
Western Company to the Brighton and Shoreham Company,
which he thought both liberal and equitable, but these proposals
had been rejected by the Brighton and Shoreham Company. Yet,
he still thought that the coast-line, as devised by the Brighton
Company, was of the utmost importance, not only as opening the
Southampton market to West Sussex, but also in a national point
of view. But his opinion had altered as respects the Shoreham
Company ever since the proposals of the South-Western Company
and the county would be more benefited by the South-Western than
by the Shoreham line, and the feeling now was so great in
the country far railways that he thought they must be made, and
so deep was this impression on his own mind, that he had offered
to the South. Western Company to pass through his park, provided
he neither saw nor heard the trains, notwithstanding he, as a
landowner, was in some respects opposed to railways. One of
these offers was to take a certain sum of money and retire from
the field ; another to amalgamate, and the third to adopt a union of
interests in two liaes. There was an agreement between the Brighton
and London Companies and the Shoreham and Chichester Com.
pany to rent the line of the latter Company to the former for ten
years, but the proposal was for the amalgamation of the lines to
commence at the end of ten years, unless the Brighton Company
should allow it to commence at once, the line being leased to the
South. Western Company at 4 per cent. in perpetuity. A coun.
ter proposition had been made by the Shoreham Company, which
was rejected, after much discussion, by the South-Western
Company; and Lord Wharnalitra, to whom the matter had
been referred, had expressed his opinion that the Shore.
ham Company ought to have taken the proffer which had been
made to them. Lord Egmont was still an opponent of the South.
Western line, as was also Mrs. Dorien, though We believed that
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The latter part of this evidence was given to the cross-examina-
tion of Mr. Whateley, to which his Grace further reiterated his
impression that the coast line was of great national importance.
To the cross.examinatien of Mr. Sergeant TALFOURD, the Duke
stated that there was a very strong feeling in West Sussex in
favour of the Chichester line ; and he thought it best for the line
to pass through the route proposed by the South-Western Cons.
pany, provided the rights of private property were not materially
affected, The memorial of which so much had been said,
had beets drawn up by the Chichester and Shoreham
Company, and its terms had not been very nicely ex-
amined. The only •name signed before his Grace's was that of
the Duke
of Norfolk, and part of the object of that memorial
had been to pre tect the property of the Duke of Norfolk. He did
not quite approve of the monopoly which threw several lines under
line for ten years to the London and Brighton Company, he
one company ; but as the Shoreham Company had leased their
thought that just as much a monopoly as the other line. As long
as the lines were perfectly independent of each other they would
certainly be a check upon each other, yet he saw no course which
would prevent one line from purchasing shares in the other, or
otherwise obtaining an influence in• the proceedings of the other
mpany.
To the inquiries of Mr. RAWLINSON, his Grace replied, that to
effect a communication with Woolwich, Chatham, and Sheerness,
he thought that the South-Western Company would be as con-
venient as that of any other line. With respect to timber,
both Lord Egmont and Colonel Wyndham sold a considerable
quantity of timber every year, but he was not aware that there was
a canal near their properties to carry it to the coast. It was ne.
cessary to know this, because a considerable portion of this timber
was used at Portsmouth for Government purposes.
To an inquiry from the CHAIRMAM, his Grace stated that there
decidedly was a feeling for this line, and it was his impression
that all 'ended property was improved by a railroad passing through
it, and though his own opinion was not altered from what it was
originally, still he waived his objection partly in deference to
the feelings and opinions of those in his neighbourhood. As
these parties thought that there would be greater convenience
from it, they would undoubtedly use this railway more than they
had at first anticipated, and several memorials had been sent to his
Grace by parties who had signed the original memorial to the
Board of Trade, expressive of sentiments quite opposite to those
stated in that memorial, and requesting him to withdraw his op.
position to the Gulidford Extension line.
Sir. Horne was re-called and cross.examined by, Mr. ALEXANDER,
and stated that he had never taken any traffic before to ascertain
the probable returns for a railway scheme; but he had taken his
data from the Stamp.office, and had included in his inquiries both
Arundel and Bognor, and with those towns he had included
coaches from Bognor to Shoreham and Chichestor to Shoreham.
He had taken Petersfield; Lipprock, Haslemere, Guildford,
and Woking; but not Farnham, nor Alton, Letherhead, or Epsom.
He had taken in a Southampton and Brighton coach, anti a Mid.
hurst and Brighton coach. He conceived that the passengers
would go by rail to Chichester and thence to Brighton. To the
Midhurst coach he had assessed six passengers to each journey.
He had taken his data on about 25 coaches, and he found that there
would be 82,680 passenge-s annually. He could not tell the
number of journeys, but he could give the number of passengers
by each coach ; the result was the aggregate we have just given.
He had got his data bOth from the Stamp-office as well as from
inquiries at the several coach.offices. He had put down
13,104 passengers for carriers' vans—one of these vans
a van to Woking from Chichester, the distance being 364 miles!
from Chichester to Shoreham it was 23 miles, being a difference of
13 miles. • The Lumber of passengers by Jenman's van to Woking
was three passengers on an average per journey, four journeys per
week. There were vans also between Chichester, Midhurst, and
Petworth, and also between Chichester and Midhurst, which car-
ried on an average 48 passengers per week. Harding, Standing,
and Clarke's vans, from Pet worth to London, went all the way by
road. PetWoith was about 14 miles from Godahning. Most of these
inquiries had bean made about six weeks ago. Harding, Stand-

ing, and Clarke were three distinct persons—not a
firm—and they carried 84 passengers per yveck, and
for all these Conveyances he put down 13,104 passen-

gers. The next was for posting passengers.
.The number of

oassengOrs from Portsmouth would travel on stn average 96 miles,

and the whole Mileage wculd be 4,958 per week, fay inquiries, he
had ascertained from Mr. 13allatd, who kept the principal inn at

Chichester, that the cross journeys through the country were ten
per diem. The passengers by this means were 9,624, and the
total mileage was 224,700 per week. The nearest way from Bath
to Brighton Would be by the new line, but he reckoned his
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pastille only to Fareham, and he calculated that those going to the
east would go from Fareham to Chichester. The distance travelled
being 1134 i miles, and carrying four passengers on an average,
making a total mileage of 12,095 miles, From Portsmouth, by
Peterstield, Guildford, and London, he calculated 100 journeys,
making 400 passengers a year. From. Bognor and Arundel he
ealctilated 800 passengers a year. There were upwards of 2,000

Commercial travellers, Wand a total of A 1,157 local passengers. His

data were derived from the number of persons passing through
Goda!ming tollgate, which were 150 weekly on horses and

gigs;- and in his calculations he had only taken one.
fourth of the number of passengers as using the railroad for

five miles. He had then taken the next gate, and proceeded in

the same manner. lie had made no calculation of the traffic for
Dorking, and had never been there, but from the inquiries he had
made he had learned that there were 21,157 passengers in the dis.
t ict travelling five miles each. He hid obtained his number of
602,170 passengers from Nine Elms for the books of the South.
Western Company, which stated ,the
.number of passcagers to-
Gosport. On this number he had 25 per cent., which he anitiiht
was a very moderate increase. He could not state the money
taken, but the number of passengers 1;), all the trains
was 60,270, and he had no doub that the sum