The Sun.
London, England, 1817-05-15 00:00:00

ROMAN CATIIOLICS.

The Members of a Society, who, prafessing a
-religion different front svhat is by law established,
have. been laid under restraints from which they
wish to be relieved, must give the civil governor
of that society securities of a,nature ;fully sufficient
to guard against the dangeri to• which these re,
sti aims, as, prevelitivemeasures I) are been applied.
-This I lay down as an indisputable principle, and
what I consider as no less indisputable is, that
as the civil governor of this society•has alone the
right to .determine whether the •
danger appre.
betidesl from the dissentient .members is real or
imaginal y, and if judged to he real, to determine
what nusy be the, extent of the danger, so he
• alone is competent to prescribe the requisite se-
curities. These principles admit but of one li-
mitatiou. Front the professors of the obnoxious
religion no securities inconsistent with any one
essential . and clearly expressed article of their
creed can reasonably be exacted. Short of this,
the civil governor !nay insist upon what securities
be thinks proper, and as the obnoxious religionists
applying for relief are bound, in order to obtain
it, to comply with his demands, so on their 'corn.
pilaw° he can with justice withhold from them
no right or privilege enjoyed by their fellow.
citizens. By these prtneiples we are to be guided
in our decision of the following questions :—rare
the Roman Catholics petitioning for complete
tsosncipation 'obliged to yield. obedience to the
Biitish Parliament, in what it requires of them
'as necessary, to secure from danger the constitu-
tion in 'Church 'and State e It they refuse to yield
that obedience, has that Government a right to
'resist the prayer of their petition ? Its order to
solve these questions in a satisfactory manner, we
must, first, consider what Government requires,
and then -examine-:what- her Roman Catholics
can, consistently with their faith, submit to.
T,he British GovernMent requires, Ist, That: all
!kills, Briefs, and Mandates, of whatever de-
nomination, issued by the Pope, or by persons
in- hie name, in order to be published and made
the general rule of. practice of the Roman Ca-
tholics .in any part'of the British dominions,
shall be, previously to publication,• submitted
to the inspection of the King in *Council ; and
• that lists of those to be promoted to the office
of Bishop, or Pope's Vicar, shall be presented to
him with authority to reject those to whoM he
may have well-f °Untied objeCtions. These are the
demands of Government.

Can Roman' Catholics, consistently with their
bit!) comply with them ? are those demands con-
trary to any essential clearly expressed article of
the Roman Catholic creed ? if they are, Govern
ment ought not to make them, nor if made ought
Roman Catholics ,to comply with them. It they
are contrary to any such article, Government has
a right to insist on, 'and Roman Catholics have
sin right to refuse compliance,

The fullest Roman Catholic creed known, is
that published by Pope Pius IV., collected almost
verbatim from the 'decrees and canons of the
Council of Trent, the last general Roman Ca-
tholic In this creed, is there any one
article clearly and expressly forbidding communi-
cations to be made to the civil power of such
papal ordonances as above described, previously.
to publication, or lists to be presented to the
civil power, of persons designed for the office of
Bishop, Or Papal Vicar, previously to actual op-
,pointment That any such article is to be found
in that creed or other document of equal autho-
rity in the Roman Catholic chord', I Positively
deny. If there be, let it be produced. Till then
the Gorernment has a right to require that papal
ordonances be by it inspected, and the candidates
Inrr episcopacy or Papal Vieariatesapproved,• to pre-
vent in the Ist case encroachments omits temporal
rights., and in the 2d, the appointment of persons
dangermis to the State, Noßdmast Catholic creed,
I repeat it, contains a single article 'prohibiting
tlit civil power to interfere in the: choice' of.
Bishops and Papal Vi,cars, acrd to inspect Papal
Ordonanees for the purposes just now mentioned,
nor can any, such, I am confident, be produced.
fiat in default of such a creeriove have had resolves
from the Irish Prelates, and pastoral charges from
the bids!' Papal Vicars;. protesting against this
interference and inspection. It 'was resolved by
the Irish Pretates.in 1815, -that any interfereuce
of the CroWn in the appointment of Bishops for
the -Roman Catholia Church in Ireland, would
essentially injure,- and might eventually- subvert
that -Church. It. 'was declared by ,the Britielt•Pa-
„
pat , 'Vicars in 18):3, that They mould not consent
'or approve of restrictlints, which control_ the
Volk the aepolutin"ent of his own Vicars; isr itt
his own commirni•eations with the British Roman
0;11 err tecicsiasticalwatters.: But
the.,lrisil citit.c,i.4ssign no Ettg!ton why this inter-
ference so strongly objected to OMR tie followed'by

!melt !semi ci (int e ffe s„ and tbe British Papal
Ificars affirm, they do not attempt to prove, that
th'e*King,,hY inspecting the Papal Mandates, !and
interfering in the appointment of Papal Vieari,
controls the Pope's spiritual power, or is preju-:
(helot to the spiritual interests oFtheir
These resolves and declarations therefore, misty•
ported as they are by any articles of a Roman Ca-
tholic creed, must be considered merely as the pri-
vate opinion of these Prelates and Papal Vicars, and
respectable as it inay be, it cannot outweigh, nor
can they expect. it should, the still more respeCt-
able opinion Uf the Prelates and. Papal Vicars
of other countries, who, it is plain frbtn the Re-
port of the Committee on the laws regulating the,
Roman Catholic subjects. of these countries, - see
this inspection and interference daily practised with-
out complaining that they essentially injury, and
may es'eutually subvert, the Churches under their
care ; or that they control the Pope's spiritual
power, and are contrary to the spiritual interests
of their flocks. Since there is no such complaint,
made, there is good reason to believe that no
cause of ,complaint exists. I ant aware that the
Roman Cathblies will say, that as I maintain that
GovernMent is alone competent to judge what se-
cnrities arc requisite, so I must allow them to be
solelycompetent to judge whether the securities re-
quired are or are not consistent with their faith.
1 admit their claim. But we are not to take it
upon trust that the securities are inconsistent with
their creed, The Creed must be prothiced , and the
article pointed out condemning the securities
which Government repines. This has not been
done, and I affirm it cannot be done. _

The opposition of the Irish Prelates and British
Papal Vicars to these precautionary measures so
generally used to prevent the possible encroach-
Menta of Rome, and the equally possible servility
of the devoted adherents of Rome, Was the less to
be expected, as these measures .are not so repug-
nant to Roman Catholic principles as the oath of
allegiance prescribed by the 31st of his present
Majesty; art oath taken by elmost; all the Britiah
e,
Roman Catholic Clergy, anti the principal par-
sons of the Laity, and though not taken, ,yet
acknowledged by the Irish Bishops to be a just and
lawful oath.• ]iy this oath the lthmau Catholics
faithfully promise to support, defend, and *Haiti-
tain, to the utmost of their power, the succession
of the Crown, RS limited by Act of Parliament, to
the Princess Sophia and the heirs of her body,
being Protestant'. The Roman Catholics are, there-
fore, bound to acknowledge and obey the King
while Protestant; to renounce and. disobey him
when ROMP Catholic. Now, this their promise
to acknowlitdge and obey hint as lawful Sovereign
while Protestant,; and ,as such, according to their
principles, in the way to Hell,: and to re-
nounce and disobey him when Roman Catholic,
and as such, according to the same principles, in
the way to Heaven, iniplies, on their part, a pre-
ference of the Protestant to' the 'Roman. Catholic
religion, tis'ther King's religion, and consequently
an approbation of and consent to his believing the
Protestant creed, and an approbation of and con-
sent to his disbelieving the Roman Catholic creed.
How they can approve in one man what they con
demo in all others; how they contrive to reconcile
their predilection for Protestantism when professed
,by the King with their detestation of it when pro-
fessed by his subjects, let them ealplain: That they
do contrive it, their conduct is proof positive, and
authorises me to repeat what I said before, that
opposition to the King's inspection of
.papal
mandates, and his interference m the choice of
Bishops and Papal Vicars, where nothing is.to be
found repugnant to Roman Catholic principles,
was little to be expected front those who approved
of the oath of allegiance, where some intim-
sistency with these principles is manifest. The
petitioning Roman Catholics would do well to
consider that, if they are afraid to injure their
religion by too much concession, ao are the Proa
tcstants. Protestants have not yet forgotten,
though Ronan Catholics may wish they had, that
Popcaand their too devoted adherents have claimed
a power from Heaven to dispose of kingdoms at.
their pleasore, and that they have acted ac-
cordingly ; that these claims have never been
renounced as soleninly as they have been Made—
that claims never formally renounced' may be re-
newed, and attempts made in consequence similar
to thoseformerlymade; that many Roman Catho-
lic Divines allow the Pope has no direct temporal
power, but maintain, nevertheless, that lie has
it indirietly, and us they- expresi it, in-ordineaid
spirit/mho—that of this connection of temporal
matters with spiritual" they constitute bins sole
judge ; that though the Roman Catholics of the
British Empire have abjured the Pope's temporal
power, ,direct end indirect, there:are many of them
who hold the Pope, to ,be infallible in spiritual -
matters, that he is. judge of what is or is not .spi.
ritual, and that whatever of this spiritual kind
lie orders to be believed nraysafely be believed, or
commands to -,he dorte.,,may-be sittely- practised.
Hence the terrors of popery ;till exist among Ili,
somewhat indeed abated, but enough remains to
create a jealousy of Roman- Catholics in the
breasts of :many sober Protestants, who cannot
divert themselves of fears for. Chtireltand State,
were, what is called, complete , emancipation se.
cured to'Roman Catholics. by law.
How are these mutual fears and jealousies'to
he done, away ? Were I to stay,_ that. the fears Of
Protestants are groundless„ that State or Church
lave nothing to apprehend from-the admission of
Roman Catholics to places ;of trust,and.profit ;
that were this admission sanctioned by law, there
would be n6ny converts . from _popery . to pro...
teitantism, few from protestaotism .to popery, ,1
should be laughed atlay all parties. It is, 44-
ever, my decided opittiori, and, nor taken up on
slight grounds, that this-. would be the comic-
quence of total emancipation. But as I have to
hopes Wit total emancipation,_as the .means
moving, fears and jealousies, will bs .adopted ;
beg leave, in concluding this paper, to-suggest
another cure for them neither dillionit nor (law.'
gerous, and -ttilielt in due time will be attended
with complete success,

Let Roman Catholics then desist from calling
assemblies of their body, trom presenting peti-
tions, and publish log resolves and pastoral charges
all this serves only to irritate. Let 'them resume
the tone, the temper and setithilenti expressed ,in
the following passage of the Address which they

prestqael to Lis present MiijestY the 2d of :flay,
177 :

" We have thankfully received," they thet•e
say, " such relaxations of the rigour of the !Ors,
as the mildness of an eulightened age, And the
" benignity of your Majesty's Government, have
" gradually produced ; at►d we stthnilssively wait,
" without presuming to suggest tither time or
" measure, • for such other indulgence as those
happy causes cannot fail in their own season.
" to effect."

To-this made of Obtaining `complete 'emancipti-
tioathe Roman Catholics may object, that it they
adhere to it they must remain in their present
state till Doom's day. To this I answer,
that were this to be the case, they certainly would
be in no uncomfortable state, and that urytersitch
a state their ancestors would have lived happy and
contented. Why the Roman Catholics of the
present day may not rest satisfied with what would
have been considered by theltoman Catholics of
former times as a very great lOsing, I should be
•:440k,ta
glad to know.

'That 'they may steer a middle
course between incessantly petitioning and. Sub.;
missively waiting the ,effeets which the mildness
of. an enlightened age, and the benignity of. Go-
Vernthent, may produce; a course which was fol-
lowed in 1778, when the first breach was made in
the Penal Roman. Catholic Code, as I. have:been,
informed by the only now surviving pei3on otTtlie
very few who took an active part in the steps pre,'
vious to the repeal which then took place. The
idea, my infomant says, of a repeal of some of the
Penal Laws enacted against Roman Catholics,
w4s first Mentioned privately to Lord North, the
Premier of the day, and by him countenanced, but
he did not chase that. he .ort any of his party should.
be the mover. lie proposed:that some one' or
'Oibre'of the Roman Qatholics should 'prevail on
some respectable Member of Patliariiint of the
party adverse to him, to- brink forward the aio.-
min for repealing the law, which be •Promised he
would not oppose; What was the law to be:re-
pealed,' had been previously concerted with the
Mioi,ter; Sir George Saville, nt the deSire.of the
Itoenan Catholics, made the, motion te it passed
unanimously.. It was. then determined that the
same' line of conduct should be followed in all
fnture appliCations for further relief ; and:further
relief was' ' then considered as proper by all par-
ties :.but my informant says it was almost home-
diately abandoned, and hence tame, he thinks';'
the' riots Edinburgh in .1779, time London riots
of 1780, and the almost 'perpetual 'a quables r
since, among the Roman Catholics themselves.
13e thinks., and so do I, that they cannot to;i'
soon adopt; the coarse of proceeding here recom,
mended, it is attended with no difficulty or dan-
ger, as I 'observed 'befOre, and will, I am confi-
dent, in time be completely•suecessful.
AN OLD' CORRESPONDENT.

OLD Dr itR4 MAY 7,1817. Curious Circum-
dance.—Some' days ago, while the gardeners were
at work near the wall of the Abbey Orchard, be-
longing to JANIP.B FEKGUSON? Esq. of Pittour,
p, they were surprised by hearing a strange
noise its the wall, like the barking or hoWling Of
some wild animal; and by the direful and re-
peated barkings, curiosity induced them to break
open part of the wall where the noise proceeded
from—and, to their great astonishment, they
found not less than seven young Foxes snugly si-
tuated,near the top of it, upwards of twelve feet
from the ground ; but the old one had escaped, or
had not been with them at the time. As there
are three Sues extend along the wall, with vents
from the bottom of it to the :op, the cunning old
lady had 'got in at a bole in the lowermost flue ;
but not satisfied with that :upartment, she bad
gone to the very uppermost one thinking she was
out of danger. The whole seven young ones are
stilt alive, and doing well, only a little out of
humour for want of their-mother.

Suterns.----Tuestlay evening an inquest was held
at the Glezker's Arms' public-house, in Water-
lane,. Blaairbus, upon the' body of a young man
named Griffithi, aged 23 years, who put a period
to his existence on Saturday night last, by taking
quintity of 'arsenic. '1 lie deceased, who was
only son to the landlady of the above hduse, had
for some coniiderible time past exhibited evident
marks of despondency, attended at intervals with
fits of insanity of a more, violent nature..--Lat-
terly he appeared better. Saturday be joined a
party of friends who were celebrating a wedding ;
but • whilst amongst them, he contrived, unob-
served, to infuse poison into the liquor he was
drinking. During the 'evening he, was observed
to he particularly low.spirited. • Soon after his
arrival at his-own home he beams suddenly in-
disposed, and was attacked with violent !etchings,
and other symptoms of poison. Medical assis-
tance was instantly procured, and every possible
remedy administered! but in vain. After linger-
ing until near five o'clock ott,Suutlaymorning, he
expired in the most excruciating tortures. His
body upon examination subsequently exhibited a_
spectacle of the most shocking nature, and it was
supposed he had taken a sufficient quantity of the
fatal poison to have caused, the death of. at least
four individuals.-.. Verdict, " insanity."
Lx ecu,TioN.---Jusepit Allen, a once respectable
farmer; who :rented a farm of between two Wand
three hundred pounds a year in the principality of
Chester, anti who Was •found guilty at the late
Assizes for tittering forged Bank-notes, was exe-
cuted en Saturday, in that city, He has left a
wife, mother, and seven children.

Sunday night last, some villains set fire to a
house on Colonel Green's estate, but immediately
in the ownership of Mr. Collett, whti bad shortly
before, let it to a new tenant—the old one having
left the' concern in'arrear. At the time of this
;Malty there were 27 sheep and ten lambs in the
house, where they had been placed' at night for
security, and they svere all burned to ashes. A
few nights before the entire roof was taken off
house lately built in the adjoining parish of the
same'
barony (Glenaliiiry), and carried away upon
cars.--monmel Herald
Yesterday morning, as a tvaterman was rowing
across the River Thames, not far front tondon•
bridge, he found the body of St man habited as a
-he conveyed it to Wapping-church,
‘vlierelt 1et114414.

THE NEW COINAGE::

4

Soon after the issuing of the New Cninsge,it •
was generally reported that counterfeits were cl.
reit'dy in circidation, a considerable quantil
having been manufactured at Birmingham anti
sent to London. The agents of Government, jo
consequence, used every possible to (lit.
cover the coiners and titterers. Mr. Field, the
inspector of coins, belonging to the Mint, als
clisliatehed to Birmingham, where be stint, 'l
itt discovering a man concerned in the
ntied,ellyioo
o"!
transactions, caused hint to be apprehed
lie is committed to Wirwick gltol to take his ti
h6-°ffenoe.Field left Birtninghant by ll''
Union ewe), for - London, 3 nil a man got sn
itch's
cpach from a public-Hollis, about a mile tbi9
of 13,rmingliam, Whose conduct tin the road trti
very mysterious ; .he appeared ' very 6°1°116116
ocsi:lkutFllei!leailip!ilakliels'rieillilifee'tr:l,:&vi,cl.l:failirtelYidlicduttit:neetfcialsliciiiiiastitae,cjwpepit:l'ditt:lll:ll
alighted and went ittto,bye places.,6tc. When thli'
'COACII was going up:hills, as the passengers aliglget,
to walk, lie walked behind, and beld by Or c"gc7
to pull !Jim up, appearing to liege a'stitiitanceo:
great weight about-his person.. Theeoacbstoppeo
at the OK Hats :Inn, on the Uxbridge-roid, t`)
change horses. On the coach starting egaiof ''f,
ignutawrdeddtisochoeV,etrbeteltmthyasti:rei,;,%)-iasiniiannOitirside.Pargeg;
shOrt, the coach stopped for the' pastenger,l%
dust as
ciatetriewafsro;utilnieg buck hart whllafitol; 1;14;
to mount the coach, he:tins sienelep- bvyf titilr'eceliPlialieleci:
Officers, who iced 'tonally been rwttitieg tilit!ri
some time. to, appreiend bin' nit bit 01" r,
from 'l3irmingliarn, bit did not know his ,P 4,4
SOtt; eXCepebYilikfilltiCeil. One of them srv'ej
t° 1111164,1sesliatingi :saying that, .be-hcliejr,
lie. was the,ftersou they were Witicil'g,f,".*„,„lt
:cr!ier;,::11:1:1‘itel:-('
lei nt‘tl:3::lifilirra_,:r'i'ls°ll, i'liris):eiii:eii3l!ea.'itot)ai'l'bsi ;:(tallin'litei:vf• et)
tirtel c6rtve. Ulcers
..etriiir:,
Seizes hint, which khey.accordingly did, and Pio
than- 6)or et.tail on, wi.tilillea'ir);C'p'endetk°6l:3l°llt7bti,:lojt
the`bfficers.tliAt he had nothing! irnprolg! 'to,/
l'in),A which proved to be correct; .ht it t1;15.11c:lod
no means satisfactory. On inquirY."ll!re,,:t be
been in' the yard, it was ascettatnen 0-01,
was seen to come out' of- an out-buildiog cult et
dunghill, which was searched, when three pi,i)to
ParCels were found, which Were then wiltoiti:°.„.,
• tor,
their baring beers kept close to ICo boqp. ►
rev
cotitenrs proVed to be coit»terftießank eight ) 0
Nen"Y tokens, amounting to 1068) pache(ll"l,ob
dozens, ready for Vile, . but did hi)t `',ll4l,vilicb.
°ther,
they were, washed. -The haw-lotion "gsl,o tie
to avoid rabhing off the silver witt!
st to
Man, whose name. is Henry Miskin, ' vva9' 1 tie
man,
had left .London for BirMinghainv t° Pt"-
1 ,eort
catnterfeits of the new coinage';.a fort_.,,ae* odtof
,Iviitii.' made,r:rt:hceheipersons
o papernawns ;Ids parcels,
conversant
thell rooftc onct °a°l4i.rn the
ei
;g % : /eat): eu: ih81: ,yellyin:ille)1:11 let
ciri %re:t
fietsr_vniolioaxaruispklntieiiiinlieigcreftesi:toefttoo,tkltiitsitw coinage, 14)16'au.' sa ei'el4
cuted, and such. at at first view might pas co:
is
the milling, as it as called,"i'istiv'etti;etigiffeenruconllie)ttfill
Bank tokens . were so 'extremell tvelie:Dook i'
that the men who are employed.bY tnt we (1.154'
covered them at first view. -
tPf the DA
The prisoner • was convicted, uls"- fot talall
. .
!ct, for having more than five cout!rto earn
them
niconvicted;
and possession,
ii
nt
b withoutthee i
n ft,l pi.beevirlitnfi otsobr;',enti,
„ears
oe :•,
1,11:11101
6 001. tiblci
forh each, on 1,000, amounting t`
-,° Loose °-
e not paying, was committed to rile,.%nirtition
Correction for three months ; at the 1:e"rof pro" ~
of that time he will he, tried on a ehnr,,.,, well'
with "t•
curing the counterfeit sixpePces,
tion to circulate them. •
, „dole 'vete
It is Understood that ten or tweive P.-• toe
twl qani t ifnrgo front: Birmingham, a
l
cities of the Counterfeit 'money 61 l'Im• . 1.00"
• it-oleic .bit
.It hai been asVertained that cow inage, ,
crowns are in circulation of the nevt,c(lo,4„ of I'4,
not those of the last impressiOn. '''', in ottetia,
name of Charles phi/tips. was detecteo sof, yob'
four of them on Monday, at the ilisil WO"
fpwl
ei ciirtt.ath,
ploeturwis
half-crowdseot i
iwiatr:Cna,
enbdiaiiraladeitsydis,
itt r enes
st::l4, 0: ::::;:,
ici tie 111 roa ;11!
tered two there 011 ' Monday raorniq, Juveuivg il
uttered two more at the. saraePlitcet 'had IVO
detained. On searchine;slftenclt,iitl%foti°lellithe'r caeiltYcref's
9 - cp, ... ..•
found upon him. : On Toeitlay be ws..ffice Ww..,
before Mr. •Bstotts, at the ruoliciu,toisostio
street and was cOn°;Mr iattesdinfoarafrarintistal:lB:ll-(°#ei

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