The Sun.
London, England, 1844-03-01 00:00:00

Lie
gft! receipt by his Right Hon. Friend of this placard,
it.
James Graham) immediately called the chief
tseu°r B of the Crown together, and the Lord Chan-
4tonce
of Ireland and the Lord Lieutenant were directed
~CotO proceed to ntiblin. In the meantime the
),,,n't Placard had been issued, not altering the cha-
irger f the meeting in his opinion, but still so modify-
rtioBthe.elanguage in which it was called, as to require
ortheeletiohn.at and the Government every precaution. and dis-
thi_yin their acts. The two placards, differing though
did in terms, meant pretty nearly the self-same
cytto g, and in his opinion it was mere quibbling to at-
to establish any difference between them. He was
wy,Ted to treat one as he would the other. But not
bqulg to be too confident in his own judgment, he
im-
Bay 1,4* transmitted the second to the Government, to
4there was that substantial difference between the
13,. that the
eoneoctors of them w,,uld wish the
on wne,t° believe. This placard reached the Hom. e-office
tielite'inneadaY, the 4th, the day on which the Lord
e Lon-
ton fertialtNlnd the Chancellorurere twii-reertei tol
deliberationear ;
itlirlehaf,(l.4slll Eliot) ,shouledelike 'to required
what Honour-
ivoulekentleman opposite, what the country at. large
P4t doll'ave said, if they had issued a proclamation to
el 11 a meeting whose illegality they could not
beta Y establish ? (Hear, hear.) What would have
into i:t.l of them to put cavalry, infantry, and artillery
elleatisgtih.oeninagnd take possession of ground to hinder a
held which might have been proved co.nt-
s)roge‘ ;fah the law?—(Hear, hear.) This wh•aeshaar
hine.
rc're gwaieetY, and he felt it as such; for, as
ofbethu, he had no doubt in his own mini of the intent
.these„l,tbe Placards being the same ; still, what lie, in
°Pini"'led circumstances, had to ascertain, was the
Mlle which 'the law would attach to the second one.
sitke`ar, hear.) The Government, however, came to the
Illaelt,„Pnelusion as to the character of. the two
meeting They determined that the intention of the
l'eeendg vas% not altered by the issuing of the
Vtledh,,pacard—that, in their opinion, it was de-
'lNA' • legal- This circumstance detained the Lord-
andh,,ngat the Lord Chancellor until Thursday. By
11441;4 °I Thursday morning Lord de Grey wrote to
di,, aY they would leave by the train that evening,
tkeetill-freet4d him, on the receipt of his letter, to call a
141511110,°,f the chief persons of the Government. Un-
-1114,1 that letter did not reach him k-":„ (Lord Eliot)
t,r, the disembarkation of Lord de Grey on Fri
rtetTng- A meeting of the principal officers of the
%tit 'flt took place that evening, and the discre
h byY Power which Lord de Grey had been armed
_Nrt•,,tbe Government it was determined should be
1,7t1d1-I,_`"* Now, it was very easy to say a proclamation
drivt; up in ten minutes, but, in his (Lord
ply an Pinion, all such documents, to be drawn pro-
e L.0,-) effectually, should be drawn thoughtfully.
.48 E,PL —antation. was drawn up, and next. morning it
t ;total
t'relre ,► tted to the Privy Council, but it was nearly
ier "lelock before the members could be goetfetore-
b„!.or the purpose of signing it. It was two
‘tittTigniation was in the printer's hands. The. Hon.
40,01,4:tliant Colonel (Rawdon), in introducing his To-
k„,'''Prom read several letters, stating the time at which
Z 4161, I,:.,tnation was posted in the parts around Dublin,
--•
ving from them an imputation upon the Govern-
eh ji:Owi he had two papers in respect to those letters
iti"leof.'„wished the House to pay attention to. The
4' ""e Gallant Colonel's evidence was of a nega-
Eelelit• c,
ter. His correspondents did not see the
10iatl°r1 Posted about. Now he had a return from
of the'Gregor the head of the constabulary, and
b,7oe, l most honourable and able man that ever held
kith this return be had received a map of the
4t,"kiisfurtY miles round Dublin, marked with all the
tit,trfkl Police stations. The return pointed to the
11,4 grp,i."°4B, and stated at what hours the proclama-
—,Led, and were spread around the country. At,
diLeY arrived at seven that evening; at Johns-
-1(14'It -hoar of 20 Irish miles, they arrived at the
t.;:N4;4 list Bray, at five on the Saturday' morning ; at
C'4 ance Of thirty-one miles, before daylight
%lt, !Iltludge, between seven and eight; and so on. In
li4l 7 e-nted Policemen were dispatched to between 60
ittit ell stations, Now, Hon. Gentlemen, in making
dteta aftg„eB against the Government for delay in the
trOgr:„... ;lie proclamation, had invariably kept in t e
hcin the important fact, that these meetings never
t,i'qtrerZee till the afternoon. The placard ordering out
I;rtltrtri cavalry did not require them to muster at
)tile— tin twelve o'clock.
_Therefore there was none
Ilboe—Tutar inconvenience that was complained of, nor
tV0414 'Langer. Why, be (Lord E.) was himself there,
-tons:Peak of his own knowledge to seeing the pro._
404 the most populous and frequented parts of
Vita h;., he Proclamation was at the Corn, Exchange,
tit 'loll, .ng criticised and taken to pieces there beforewas
'd4 (If three ' 1 k —(Hear, hear.) Where
th 'ter ° °c •
.INttt the?Bon.niasse Geentlaelmweans were constantly assert-
unarmed, and the Go-
ncoveredthe ground
; swere
y at an early hour with
.14,1-et 4ey, and infantry, and had strong bodies
Lrmetoloned in every proper place, and was it to be
.741)4,1 unarmed people would attack' them? Govern-
ht
;taken every precaution, and shown the highest
►p„,.,tottl'ir(Rear.) -Without disrespect, then, to anyone,e
h4,:uise
...ert that it was absurd to say that the people
n any d:lken possession of the ground, or that there
lit(141:1101 flinger of collision. The Hon. and Gallant
I,,th:Y•yith,...awdon) had said that these meetings
.w.ere
lap: he (L;', and that people had a right to petition.
these rd Eliot) saw no safety-valves in such meet-
, ; and he begged to say that for the ninet.
Att?,*hate", g which they had been going on, no pe 1-
(1,0;9 It a•hfs Parliament had been adepted.—(Hear,
it' Znruern 011:1 be remembered, too, that though. the
Itbiltu,l4B no moral doubt of the impropriety and
tl —"eY of these meetings, such were not the
tteeUr",, Which they could constitutionally act.
I•Or to the they should have legal proof of theirf
"te1t,,01114 t„,e Peace and good order of the country be ore
st the "v in a position to put them • down, or to ptroo-
*Volk Ite°breners of the meetings with atl.prospteocthef
Zllke.,',,ebelieved he might appeal with confidence
417N(4, :„ueneral for Ireland, whether or not thefirstbe-
t°
th Was taken the moment the Governuiente
Itki, A% 11401 evidence to prosecute the parties with
htio;tlt,iltrutllllo time of the Clontarf proclamation there
• :kitoeuz ease, but not such a case as to enable the
k\t(
ji,.ltotifiotithtaticti,otnhotoetrntananwkde the steps afterwardstheyther did take.
topics, as there
diverge intog
occasions for doing so.
11,7skt CAP.) lie would not go into the other charges
41k,-eh.'"ernment.—(Hear, hear.) lie had c0n-
,1110414 4 strictly to the Clontarf proclamation, and
Kti43snre the House, notwithstanding all that
Itcltoa said to the contrary, that there had been no
"4-(lya the part of the Government to entrap the
I,.ffotOtirr--„,,ear, ear •) He did not believe any danger
tlikatttie-'n to any *individual from the issuing of the
sr'e ; and under these circumstances, he did notllb,ernbss'as
e Was calledupon to express its censure of
alert "'Lent in the way asked for by the Hon. an d
owl er.
ittB would support the motion of the Hon.
11•
84,4eniber He deprecated the course that
"'Pict' wh '54
—Pted byMember,
e
Government towards Ireland. en G vern
r,144., the present . o ment came into
&kit i04.402' Peaceful and quiet, and what was its
Nmetlittttr ? The acts of the present Government
the feelings of the people of Ireland from sf, til% 44
LlVeliser:ltAN CRAWFORD could not allow some
!xtions of the Noble Lord to pass un
ilhiPdt! ~1 °.,ad complained of this subject being
t:tth,-04te.-r; at the present moment, after. a ninete
his (Mr. S. Crawford's) opinion, h
Oa_ 'XL now been properly raised and properly de-
ti,_Vbitted- grievancesof the people of Ireland ought
1% N ever and over again till they were redressed.
t,‘."tl tf,l4 t;_e_,illeeting at Clontrf was illegal, because
that the parties evere to assemble in a
tVvit ,V array He denied that such a pro-
Qiqu'en BbLeg'al, and he did so from precedents that
took '° in Ireland. When the Orange pro-
rol/4),A ittrreil
y;Ptlitr in Ireland, the party appeared in
tell t es, y.carried arms, and shots were fired,
,a.,,ineetings were not deemed illegal. The
14440 bid bee that that he did not believe that a. single
7eyo,„ '4 got up at these meetings—was he in
orterday when the Hon. Member for Cork
Pllit la d •thdenl by ?—(Hear hear.) He would
loktitl'titt:tsdclledeLs` supporitmto the motion of his Gallant
oPoiht,"°Ped that other motions would be made
14e,.74titut. of the late proceedings. He hoped that
t,rariffr„ of the lawyer would take notice of the. pro-
-I
to tehirish Attorney-General, and the insult
441' liieet. -go Bench, thereby attacking the liberty
to;jti
YteetietiP°CHE would. support the motion of his
ir,k,t 4.4 similaron the broad principle that they had not
kfT, as the measure towards Ireland in the pre-
-4• 10;!Iited •L'eY would, under similar circumstances,
* "yes "'wards England. He would not attn..
Nlsz4„, 414° the Government • but the effect of their
tfi'leteY to lead to the Worst of consequences.
kkt:,potthue herd must know that the publication of their
1)6,4141;1h tiuntiVess aided by Mr. O'Connell, would have
IVA 141.4'g. And all this risk was incurred on
Wetter ga-sconade put in the Nation newspaper
iritlign* 4 esti blOOkhead The Right Hon. Baronet
\ 'Ma a well a •
/iti. to „ 3 any man, that there were such
Vti.P4t tound in every party. The Right.
th,'Y "" Borne brainless blockheads about him
ti,"111t1 ' And what was to be done with them ?
4 not r
tk,sl's4 ,ttnthe son with them—(Laughter)—and yet
risko of involving the country in a
.ci_vil
he titk4 a, foolish thing, not done ostensibly,
11101), nwledged b the party. He felt
ptr incidentally
1;'01 Per erahly ()Wally discussing a question
t(toce threadbare ; at the same time
ktZ*ll',,e_hat'n„,°.f, the question was not lessened
N,'`„tirth"' tver'e 1,
toe could assure the House that
li‘V.,,ll.:rthitilf-Ing press the Irish question on the
54,144,40 48 w un.se. and of the people of this cou.ntry,
jotirth in t, earted and disinclined to do it as
,socr,l44,iget the ir world. But he felt bound to say that
pg stiehun. and Gallant Officer was quite right
;5414'5N i"3olvei 11' question before the House. The
ty tit: 4%1478011 into this—that the Government
te,'')..4l.,:entura t:hat, in similar circumstances, they
,k 4 c'ertai d° in England.—(Hear.) What-
Oil' °IN et of IP b°,. dY, then agitating the repeal of
k,,ht tiltettieed, that
warhnament might adopt—of this he
f
'5
g‘• t atl'ver might be the number o "I'they wld
to, 1.01,2,
11 discussion in England, without, at least,
t ni Ir more of th
Oth. Nio eland e forms of law than they had
11,:t ts,n'tand.th(ilear-) It was this neglect of
ct eti•Le Kni co,ntemptuous treatment of this
'iP,,,trtl„(4lß tePeafet? 1411..ngland, that made him a firm
vq1„4,44 saw ; 11,1,1 d he should continue to be
ti h`Ltheild itaqthZ. „lo'-ngla.nd one measure of justice
'+‘ WOle 841 this country. He thought,
111111,:i Of t "t" there was but little chance of
thin nAiand • •
hI3 Irish forcing the Government
• th 11_, question; and having that
1:1 at still
Ittl "a's, in • but one course to
Itea, etien spite of the threats of
Iltitinti of en
to continue then gitation
th peal 4) as long and as ardently as he
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