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that occasion by the Rev. Mr. Tyrrell, and all the reso-
lutions passed at the meeting, which were the same as
those passed at Mullaghmast.
Witness—l see page 30 of my notes.
SOLICITOR-GENtRAL—Do you find an entry there of
anything that was said or done by Mr. Duffy at that
meeting ?—Yes, he said I have to hand in money from
Mr. blank, of blank parish, and blank county. I mean
by blank I could not catch the name or residence of the

person.
SOLICITOR-GENERAL—Look at page 35, and see if
Mr. Ray took any part in the proceedings at the meeting
on the 3d of October ? Yes, he said it was essentially
necessary that every accommodation should be afforded
to the press, and the passage to their table kept free ; if
the reporters were inconvenienced they cannot perform
their duty, and the public will be disappointed.
The SOLICITOR-GENERAL—Look at page 35, and read
what Mr. O'Connell said upon that occasion?
Witness read what Mr. O'Connell said; which was to
the effect that the passages should be kept clear, and that
Mr. Ray should have the passage clear, on account of

the manifold letters.
The SOLICITOR-GENERAL—Look at page 52, and see

if any money.was handed in by Dr.
Witness—Yes; I have a memorandum to that effect ;
and thete were several sums handed in by him; I was
never-present at any meeting of the Association when
applications were made for newspapers.
At this period the Court and jury retired for a few
minutes, and the witness being told by Mr. Hatchell that
he might retire from the witncss-box, did so.
After the lapse of about fifteen minutes, the Court
again sat, and Mr. Hughes commenced reading a speech
delivered on the 9th of October, by, a Mr. Green, of
Liverpool, at Calvert's Theatre, Dublin. He (Mr.
Green) professed to represent 400 Repealers enrolled in

Liverpool.
Mr: HATCTIELL, Q.C., cross-examined/the wittess on
behalf of the traversers—l am- not a reporter for the
public press. My business is that of a short-hand
writer ; I never was connected- with a journal. I have
been reporting in England, and 'from an early period of
my life have been pursuing that prd!ession. I was par-
ticularly employed by the Government to come over to
Ireland, and act according to directions, but not to report
any particular meetings. I had with me a letter addressed
to the,Attorney-General. I waited on him on my arrival,
but he was not at home, and I was directed to Mr. Brew-
ster. 'this was-Saturday night, Sept. 30. The meeting- at
Mullaghmast took place next day. I went there, accom-
, anied by an assistant in a fly-boat. I got there about
twelve o'clock:• had no person with me but my,as-
sistant:from London, who was there for the purpose of
transcribing my 'mites: He is not learning the business
*----he is a good reporter. He might occasionally take
notes, hut not :to assist me. His name is Leatham. He
is now in .Ireland. We came over from and returned to
England together. Leatham came over with me after my
first return, at the time I was sworn before the grand
jury. Ilealso came over -with me on the present occa-
sion. He came over, I suppose, to be examined. 'He
;took some notes of the proceedings, and transcribed
some portions 'of them.'• No other person came over as
a witness. We do not belong to Mr. Gurney's office.
When we. arrived 'at Mullaghmast there, were a few
on the grouna; We were there about three quarters
of an hour .hefore .the arrival of Mr. O'Connell.
We got on the platform.,
,and had a good view of the
meeting. Parties c.ame.on the ground playing music. I
heard nothing about their being temperance bands, nor
am I certain they-were from anything I saw. I dare say
some of them were temperance bands, but cannot say. I
can form no such opinion ; all I can say is that there
• were bands there, and I think one or two of them had
temperance incriptiOns oh them. Never attended any
county meetings. I have attended public meetings at
Manchester,- which are the only'meetings I had ever
attended. At- that at Mhllaghmast there was a great
number of women and children: _in the crowd. The
movement was one of a perfectly peaceable character.
Did mit perceive any proneness tb riot or disturbance.
• Whenever the Queen's- name was mentioned it was
received with the loudest applause. After Mr.
O'Connell's arrival I heard it stated that I was on
the platform as the Government reporter. On Mr.
O'Connell asking whether any gentleman was pre-
sent.: Its 'a reporter on the, part of the Government,
I stated the object of my attendance, and every possible
accommodation was immediately afforded me. Ido not
think Mr. O'Connell shook hands with me. I received
a ticket for the banquet.- I mentioned that Mr. Letham
was my assistant. A very great number of persons of
respectable appearance were present at the banquet. It
took place at about five o'clock, and terminated at nine.
The same order and regularity was preserved at the din-

ner as at the meeting.
From what you know of public meetings, do you,
think it necessary that persons should be appointed to
preserve order?—l think that parties on the platform-
weuld have been much incommoded at the meeting at.
gullaghmast had there not been persons present to pre-
vf t the people getting on.
ft •
s a fair man, I ask you, would you not consider it an
i uential mode of procuring order, peace, and regu-
-1 *y, thefhaving such persons present as those whom
Mr. O'Connell appointed ?—I thisik it very proper that
siich persons should be present. The Queen's health
viras given at the dinner, ard was received with very
great applause. The health of Prince Albert was also
given by the chairman, Mr. John O'Connell, and was re-
ceived in the same manner. Before the, loyal toasts were
given, the letters apologising for non-attendance were read.
Have some or them with me. Took no short-hand note
of them, as documents are generally furnished to the. re-
porter. The next letter I have is from the Right Rev.
John Cantwell, expressing his deep regret for not
being- able to attend. Have not the, letter from
the Eight Rev. James Keatinge. 1 was promised
:espies of the letters that should be. read. When I ap-
plied afterwards at the office, could not get them. Was
referred to the newspaper publications as authentic.
Hold in my hand a Freeman's Journal of .the 2d of
October. , I.see . a letter from Dr. Keatinge. To the
best of my belief, that letter was read at the, meeting.
Have no note of my own of it. Have a note of Lord
Ffrench's letter being read. Have a memorandum of
two letters from Castle . Ffrench being read.
Have also a note of a letter signed by Michael Boylan,
of Hilltown-house. When I was refused copies of the
letters at the office, I took them from the newspapers.
There was a letter- from Sir Colman O'Loghlen read.
Did not pay. much attention to the letters,: as I was pro-
mised copies. Have anote of a motto which was inscribed
upon a banner, " That a nation of eight millions is too
great to be dragged at the tail of another nation."
Mr. HATCHELL—Do you not know that was taken
from the Morning Chronicle ?—Oh, by no means. I did
not take it from the Chronicle.
Do you -ever read that paper?—l do nOt.—(Great
laughter.)
I suppose you only read the Standard ?—(Laughter.)
—I read neither. Having to attend Committees of the
House of Commons, I do not read many newspapers.
Did you ever attend a trades' meeting?—No. •
Were you ever a member of any institution in England
for the fostering and encouraging of native manufac-
turesi—No. ,
Have you heard of the repeal cap, manufactured by
Mr. White, of Thomas-street?—l have.
Did you go there to fit yourself with one?—l did not.
Did you ever hear what the cost of one would be ?
—No. .

Do you understand anything of the nature of puffing?
—I do not.
Don't you know the distinction between the puff direct
and the•puff indirect?—No.
Don't you think it would be a very good way to puff
a cap or a coat to mention the name of the maker at a
public meeting ?—No doubt of it.—(Laughter.)
You- would have no objection to encourage native
manufactures in any way you could? Not the slightest.
You see
.no great harm in that ?—No.
• If Mr. White could have made a cap to fit you, would
you have worn it?—l did not wear it.
Did you handle the cap at all?-1 did not, but I ad-
mired it.-,;(Lnughter.)
Would it. not be an excellent travelling-cap to go about
within the paaket?--(Laughter.). " -
Do you not know that gentlemen who visit Paris often
come back with the tricoloured Republican cap as a com-
fortable cap, to sleep in?—l know they bring caps home
with, them sometimes.
Now you, as a man of the world, did not think there
was any treason in that cap ?—I formed no opinion.
Were you patriotic enough to buy anything to further
Irish manufactures?—l did.—(Laughter.)
• I suppose you bought a tabinet for your lady ?—I did.
(Great laughter.)
It was a great advantage.then that you were brought
so tar for the encouragement of Irish manufactures, and
if you had been disengaged you would have had no ob-
jection to have got a lady for the tabinet 7—Probably
no t.—(lmmense laughter.). .
Indeed you might be worse off.—(Great laughter.)
Mr. HercHELL—How long,did you remain in Ireland
after the meeting at Mullaghma,4t ?• Witness—l left on
the 18th of October. 1 • . •
Mr. HATCHELL— Did you attend a meeting of the Re-
peal Association on the go of: October ? Witness—Yes,
I did. There, as at all other 'meetings, I was
treated with the ntinosepossible ;civility. I received'
every courtesy and kindness at the Association. •
Mr. HATCHELL—You only:read such extracts from Mr.
O'Connell's speeches,
,if I mistake not, as the Solicitor-
General requesteil you to read ? Witness—That was all.
Mr: 111FCALi,----Then you have note's of several other
expressions which fell from Mr. O'Connell; independently
of the. extracts which you retnljn Court ?- Witness—
Qhf_yesi
:have notes of very many passages from Mr.
O'Connell's..speeChes whiCh I did not read, but I will
read ahv'part you require. •
Mr. kbaciaLt;--4•Look through your notes, if you
please, for some remarks of Mr. O'Connell'p
,on Rib-
bonism at the meeting of Oct. 3. ; they come immediately,
before
.a letter. from Tallow, signed by a person named,
Jackson...
The witness looked over his notes, but was unable to
find the passage.
Mr. HATcHELL--The passage I allude to came before
the reading of a letter from Sharman Crawford ; t
rather think you havelt not, for I believe you did not
takes notes until after the reading of that letter.
Witneas—The first remarks I have from Mr. O'Con-
nell are in allusion to a meeting in Donegal.
Mr. HATCHELL—Read what Mr. O'Connell said on
that subject if you please ?
The witness .here read from his notes his report_of
Mr. O'Connell's observations with respect to the Done-
gal meeting. The report of the same remarks whioh
appeared in the Freeman's Journal of October 4th, was
as follows :—" Mr. O'Connell said he did not know
that this gentleman was not inaccurate in stating that
they did not take notice of the meeting in Donegal, but
in general meetings were not taken notice of except
they received some letter respecting them. What could
they say of the Douegal meeting but what had appeared
in the newspapers, for they heard of it only through the
newspapers, and the, pubhe knew of it in like manner.
It was as obvious as the sun at noon day that they -must
have been exceedingly gratified at that splendd meeting,

and that they should feel the highest gratitude to the
people of Donegal for meeting in the numbers they did,
and for acting so peaceably, and returning without the
slightest accusation of a breach of the peace, and all this
peaceable determination -exhibited by them showed
their firm resolve to join with the rest of Ireland
in seeking for Repeal. He moved a vote of thanks
to the persons who called and managed that meet-
ing, and especially the inhabitants of Innishowen,
and that the letter should be inserted on the minutes.
They might rely upon it that nothing would gratify
them more than any Repeal meeting in the north,
When it was confined within the limits of the Constitu-
tion-,and the more numerous they were • the more they
would be gratified, provided 'they created no rancour in
any party. The Donegal meeting had this advantage,
that it irritated no person ; on the contrary, it rather
had-the effect of soothing any bad feelings that were
raised in the minds of the Orangemen : The Anti-Re-
pealer could not retard the question except by giving it
a sectarian complexion ; and it shoald be understood that
it was not a sectarian question, or a measure intended
for the advantage alone of any particular persuasion, or
to do mischief to the people of any :particular creed. It
was intended for the good of all persons of every-creed,
and would prove as advantageous to Presbyterians, to
the Catholics, and to the Episcopalian Protestants,
as to either. It was intended for the good of all
Irishmen.:-(Cheers.) They did not mark them
out in sections or divisions, and 'say some are Pro-
testants, or some are Catholics, or Presbyterians.
They would have no sectarian distinctions ;' the only
mark they recognised was the name of Irishman. Their
object was to give ,Ireland to the Irish, and the man
was a bitter enemy of Ireland that attempted to create
any other feeling amongst them.—(Hears hear.) They
should expel from the Association any man that made
use of a phrase of a bigoted nature, or one reflecting on
the religious profession of any class. The great evil of
Ireland was its religious distinctions, for the . tree of
liberty could only flourish when it was „watered by the
grace of charity. They had opened the portals of the
Constitution to every class and-creed, and they should
dismiss for ever from amongst them the foul fiends of
religious distinction that had So long desolated the
land.—(Cheers.)"
Mr. IIaTcHELL—Go down a good way farther, if you
please, and readyour report of the' remarks which fell
from Mr. O'Connell in reference to a remittance from
West Canada that day.. • . .
.The witness read from his notes his version of the re-
Marks in question. The ne*spapar report of same runs
thus Mr. O'Cgnnell ithd he was delighted that their
fellow-subjects in Wnada West were advancing to their
assistance,- As • long as the ~Canadians kept within the
limits of .the law they.found hire an ungifted but a most
zealous advoCate. He acknowledged that he deserted
them the moment they had recourse to violence, and vio-
lated his principles by breakinpainto rebellidn. At first
it caused every kind of Misfortune to their native Country,
but Lord Stanley, whO Seeme.d_to him to have the oddest
idea of things in the: world, was now, conferring every
'kind of favour on those who survived the rebellion.. He
found that .a general .amnesty had been . granted to those
engaged in it— that the bills of indictment against
Papineau and offier's. had heen' quashed, and• that the
Attorney-General had a nolleprosequi on those indictments.
A. rebellion in Ireland had been attended with the worst
.consequences. He was convinced that a rehellion would
ruin:lreland. There never should be a rebelliOn while he
lived, but he would not carry the question of Re-
peal less securely on thht account. . He.would not: give
one straw fur Repeal if it were not carried without the
shedding of one drdp.of human blood. The people stood
by him, and would obey his advice, and he never saw a
readier acquiescence in it than was exhibited on the pre-
ceding'day at Mullaghmast. He would tell their friends
iii Canada of that.meeting—the most gigantic and mag-
nificent assemblage that he had ever attended, with the
{single exception of Tara.- Nothingeould equal thebeau-
tiful scene that presented-itself to the eye as they passed
• up the long avenue ascending the Mount of Mullaghmast
—the-countless thou Sands that lined the way—the many
'black-eyed women—aye, and the beautiful women, too,
that were with their husbands, and fathers, and bro-
thers. They did not entertain the least idea that there
would be the smallest encroachment on their delicacy, for
there was not one man among the hundreds of thousands
that were assembled that would not sooner have died than
offend one of them.—(Cheers.) They were there perfectly
safe and secure in the high-souled honour and protec-
tion of their countrymen—blessings on the lovely wo-
men of Kildare. And his (Mr. O'Connell's) police were
there with their cards upon their hats, 'and signifying
they had authority to keep the peace if there was an
opportunity of keeping it, which there was not. No-
thing could be more cruel than marching the unfortu-
nate green-coated police to these meetings; for what
were they wanted there? If any of the stipendiary ma-
gistrates came to hiin he would tell him off as many
'men as would be sufficient to keep the peace.—(Cheers.)
They might keep the police at home, and not have them
wearing their shoes traversing the country in cold wea-
ther.--a(Laughter.) There were two things in the con-
duct of Sir Henry Hardinge and the Government that
he cor4lained of, and this was marching about
the police in this way (they had given up
the practice of harassing the army, and he was
glad of it), and having in fortifying Athlone
cut down • two beautiful trees near its walls
to make the fortifications more secure. A tree
was a public loss to that country. He loved a fine old
tree; nature never produced anything more delightful
to the eye than the waving branches of an aged tree
.that was still green and in vigour. He would forgive,
•Sir. Henry 'Hardinge anything but that. To ,come
back to Canada next,- was it not delightful to them
to have their brothel. Irishmen chirping to them
from such a-alistance ;. but he begged of them, as he
did of Mr, O'Ferrall, not to abuse the Orangemen so
much, and in use civil language to them. It was
quite manifest they were not afraid of the Orange-
men ; and why, then, should they scold them ?
for persons only had recourse to scolding when they
were afraid.' He. heartily thanked their friends in
Canada, but he was, glad that they had got over their
rebellion, and that Vieir country was near a free coun-
try, and had a Parliament. freely elected. The English
Government had the good sense to let the Canadians
govern Canada. All offices were filled by Cana-
dians, or were being filled by them, and no man got into
office who did not concur in opinion with the majority
of the Parliament. It showed how wise it was to give
every dependency in England the power of self-govern-
ment, with a local Government; for Canada was now
declared by the Ministry themselves to be, for the first
time, in a state of unbroken quiet, except where it was
interrupted by the decaying Orange faction. It was
now settling down in security and quiet. How little did
they know' the Irish people, to make any distinction be-
tween the two countries. If they had a mind to
strengthen the empire—make it invincible against the
world, and make the throne stable and secure for ever,
they would' make no distinction between them. He
moved that the letter and lists of names be inserted on
the minutes—that the persons'named be enrolled as as-
sodiatei andinernbers,. according to the amount :of' their
subscriptions; and that Mr. Ray be directed to convey
the most respectful thanks of the AssociatiOn io the gen-
tlemen individually. and generally, who- had subsCribed."
Now, Mr..Hughes,.will you be good enough tp refer to
the report of the meetingatt the theatre in Abbey:street,
and turn to' Mr. O'Connell's speech there—but that re-
minds me to ask you a question that I intended awhile
ago. You said that Mr. O'Connell was dressed in
crimson or scarlet at Mullaghmast ?—Yes, he had a

robe on;
Wasn't that the robe usually worn by the Lord Mayor
of Dublin?—
And • -
were there not several other aldermen and•town
councillors there wearing those robes?—Yes.
at the theatre in reply to
theßaedaddieMssr.enn
o(rth°eßeler s speech
Repeaters of Manchester.—The wit-
ness read the reply, as previously published in the report
of the proceedings at the meeting. •
After reading the resolutions which were read by the
Crown, will you read Mr.O'Connell's speech. at that
same meeting in Abbey-street2—Witriess here read the
speech at length, froth his own notes,
• Mr. HATcriELL—Were you' in Dublin any time after
the Clontarf meeting 2—l was, for four or five days.
• Mr. HATCHELL—Perhaps you were there ?—Yes, I
was there.. • • -
Mr. HATeHELL-L-What were the directions you re-
ceived with the attendance at these meetings ; were you
to attend all the meetings 2—l was to attend 'the meet-
ings at the Corn Exehange andthe. monster meetings.
Mr. llATcriELL—Were you, kware of the proclamation
being issued to supi3ros there tbatarf meeting?—Yes, I
was aware of it:
Mr. HATcHELL—Did you receive any orders to attend
tbere?—l.received no
.particular orders to attend, I,went
from curiosity,
Mr. HATcHELL--Did you report what occurred there?
—No, I had nothing to report, I saw nothing there but
troops. •
Mr. HA.Teutu.—Do you recollect anything occurring
at a.meeting of the Association, previOus to the Clontarf
-meeting, whilst discussing. the preparations for that,
meeting ?—.No.
ave you any that Mr. O'Connell mentioned an
H
application from some Protestant clergymen in respect to'
the propriety of conducting the procession so as not to
interrupt Divine service ?—I do not think I have any
such note. •
tn
to the m
Mr. HaTcriELL—l believe that took place at the
nagg, , you asked
or he would- give.
cor-
poration was not at the corporation.
Mr. HATCHELL—You stated that when you came up
n Dublin,
Mr. Ray Tor some documents relative to that , meeting.
, after the
ui miaegeitlirangas a t t
meeting,
Meeutllihmast
What did Mr. Ray say to you 2—He said he was not the
secretary
'them. .
Mr. HATenELL—Yon have-stated the names of several
persons who attended at, the adjourned meeting at the
Corn Exchange.: Have you not proved a speech as de-
livered by Mr. Steele there 2—l have.
• Mr. Hatchell :concluded his cross-examination, and it
was resumed by Mr. Moore, Q.C., for another of the

traversers.
Cross-examined by. Mr. MoonE—Direct your atten-
tion to the meeting at the Corn Exchange, on the 3d
of October. Did you see Mr. Ty.rrell there?—l did.
Mr. MooßE—Were you acquainted with his, person
before that?—i never saw him before that day.
MootiEWlint time did you enter the meeting?—
I. went there-about twelve o'clock, and remained till half-
pdst four or five.
Mr. MOORE—Was it a very considerable meetine—
No, it was not; the place was not very large.
Mr. DlooßE—Well, was not the meeting fully at-
tended?—There were 300 or 400 persons present.
Mr. MooßE—Were there many speeches delivered ?
—Not a great number.
Mr. MoonE—Did not several persons speak there that
day, who are not now on their trial ?—Yes ; I believe
there were speeches made there by persons who are not
now on trial.
. Mr. Moore concluded his croEs.examina.tion, and Mr.
M‘Donotigh resumed it on behalf of Mr. Barrett.
1 Mr. DlToNouou—lnform the Court and jury what

was the toast Mr. Barrett spoko to at the Mullaghmast
dinner.

The witness hesitated for a:short time, and then re-
plied, " The People."
Mr. M‘DoNotiGH—Look to your note of the meeting
held on the 9th of Oetobor in Abbey-street.
Witness—l have got it.
Mr. APDoNouGH—Enumerate the names of the tra-
versers who were present at that meeting ?—John O'Con-
nell, D. O'Connell, Mr. Steele, the Rev. Mr. Tyrrell, Dr.
Gray, Mr. Deify, and Mr. Ray.
_ _ _

Mr. M‘DoNoircx—You have not named Mr. Barrett
—was he there ?—I made a mistake about him on a
former occasion—he was not present.

Mr. M'DoNouGn—Then, I presume, he did not speak
here ?-11e did not.

Mr. Nl'DoNouGH—When you were under examination
by the Solicitor-Gerieral he asked you nothing about the
dinner at the Rotunda— was Mr. Barrett there 7—Mr.
Barrett was not there either. I mistook some one else
fOr him.

I think you stated you took the earliest opportunity

of correcting your mistake ?—I did.
Where was it?—At the house of Judge Burton.

Were you at the house of Judge Burton at the time

:he recognisance was entered into, and did you then

swear your informations?—l saw Mr. Barrett there. I
did not swear my information on that but on a prior oc-
casion. I swore an affidavit that day ; it was an amended

affidavit.

Do I understand you to say you amended the mis-
take with reference to Mr. Barrett by affidavit ?—I
did not.

Were you present on the occasion when the recog-
nizance to bail was subscribed by Mr. Barrett ?—Yes, I
then mended the mistake. I mentioned it to Mr. Ray

and Mr. Kemmis.

Were they attending for the Crown ?—Mr. Ray is
clerk to Mr. Kemaas.

Did you apprise them of the mistake with respect to
Mr. Barrett ?—I mentioned to • them I had a doubt
about having been correct in stating Mr. Barrett was
at the meeting.
Where was this ? On leaving Judge Burton's house.
What did Mr. Kemmis say ?—I can't recollect what
Mr. Kemmis said.
When was this ?—ln Kildare-street.
Before you reached Mr. Kevamis' house ?—Yes.
. On the way can you not recollect what Mr. Kemmis
iaid ?---He made no observation,
Then it was left as it was ?—I mentioned it to Mr.
Ray before 'caving Judge Burton's house.
Whcn leaving the room, in the passage, was Mr. Bar-
rett then-in the house ?—He was.

What did you say ?—"I was mistake* i,n regard to
Rotunda,
Mr. Barrett ; I had doubt that he was at the
or at the meeting at Calvert's theatre."
What did Mr. Ray say ?—I do not recollect what
he said.
• Did you return to have the error corrected ?—I did
not take any steps further ; I thought it enough to in-
form them of it.
Then it was the mistake as to Mr. Tierney that was
Corrected by affidavit ?—Yes. I did not correct the mis-
take as to Mr. Barrett ; merely mentioned it.
• Did you make that affidavit on the same day with
your original depositions?—No; I corrected the mistake
as to Mr. Tierney the day the parties attended at the
house*of Judge Burton.
Then you called attention to the mistake with respect
to Mr. Barrett ? On that occasion.
Cross-examine] by Mr. WIIITESIDE, Q.C., on the part
of Mr. Duffy—When did you -see. the traverser, Mr.
Duffy?—l saw him at the meeting at Calvert's Theatre.
Did he speak there?—He did.
Was it there he made the eloquent speech, " I beg to
hand in• pounds for ?"—(Laughter.)—He
handed in some money.
• Had you a distant view of the.meeting?—The place
was dusky. • •
. _

A dark, dusky affair—perhaps, now, you could not
see the platform ?—I saw Mr. Duffy.
You reported fully and faithfully the meeting at Mul-
laghmast ?—I did, to the best of my skill and ability.
Now, you have seen large meetings before ?—I have.
Do you remember the immense meeting whiCh took
place some years ago in London—l allude to that at
which Dr. Wade attended in his robes, and a small body
of 150,000 people paid a morning visit to Lord Mel-
bourne ?—I was in Parliament-street, and saw Dr. Wade
in his robes. I should say there was more than 100,000,
perhaps 200,000.
Then they really do great things in England as well
as poor Ireland?—l never saw so large a body of men as
was assembled on that occasion.
Do you attend the debates intheflouse Of gommons?
—Sometimes.
Now, whether were the Irish or English Intiltitudes
best behaved—there was no Crushing, - youltnp,w?,,,—The
people were exceedingly weli behaved ret Mullagghast.
In the House of Commons there are is .number 'of ill-
mannered gentlemen, who 'keep' bad hdurs Loud
laughter)—now, as I know you- are a man .of candour,
don't you give the preference fOr propriety of behaviour
to the Irish people?—They Were very well-behaved
when I saw them.
Who did you get the letter of introduction to the At-
torney-General from ?—Mr. Gurney.
What is, the date of the meeting at Calvert's? I think

3d October—l thought it was the 9th.
Re-examined by the SOLICITOR-GENERAL—I saw Mr.
Ray.•at the meeting and asked him for the documents.
He said he was not the secretary of the meeting. I ap-
plied to him in his character of secretary to the Repeal
Association. He said be was not the secretary of the
Mullaghmast meeting. I saw Mr. Barrett at the Mul-
laghmast meeting. I saw him afterwards when I went
to Judge Burton's to swear my amended affidavit with
respect to the Christian name of the Rev. Mr. Tierney.
I did not expect to see Mr. Barrett there. I knew him
to be the person I saw at Mullaghmast.
The SOLICITOR-GENERAL—Road the address to which
the speech of Mr. O'Connell at Calvert's theatre, on the
'sth, was an answer.

Mr. HATCHELL objected, and submitted that the
Crown had no right to go back to the meetings again.
Hit was necessary, it ought to have been produced on
the direct examination.
The CHIEF JUSTICE said he did not see any objection
to the Solicitor-General reading the address in answer
to the speech.
The witness then proceeded to read the address of
the members and wardens of the Repeal Association of
Manchester to Mr. O'Connell, presented on the 9th of
October.
After the reading of the address was concluded, the
witness was permitted to retire—his examination having
occupied the Court from its sitting to half-past four.
Fleming Mathias Leathern examined by Mr. BENNET,
Q.C.—I know the gentleman who gave evidence last. I
came•over to Ireland with him for the purpose of being
his assistant. I was present at the meeting at Mallagh-
mast. I have been engaged in taking notes for the last
ten years. I transcribed Hughes' notes from his dic-
tation ; that was a very long time after the meeting at
Mullaghmast. Hughes took the notes in short hand,
and read them to me, and I transcribed them in long
hand, I 'know Mr. O'Connell. I have seen him in
London. I took notes at the meeting for my own
amusement, but not full notes ; my sole object was to
assist Mr. Hughes ; he is a particular friend of mine,
and I wished to come over to Ireland and see the country.
I copied some resolutions at the banquet, which were
thrown upon the table, to the best of my belief, by Mr.
Ray, but I am not certain that it was by Mr. Ray. I
attended a meeting of the Association on the Monday fol-
lowing the Mullaghmast meeting ; that was on Oct. 2.
I•he witness went on to detail that he had transcribed the
notes of Hughes into long-hand. On his cross-examina-
tion he was asked by one of the traverser's counsel if the
resolutions published in the papers were not similar to
thoe which he had copied fbr Hughes? but the At-
torney-General refused to let him answer the question,
observing that counsel oh the opposite side might identify
the-papers in which they were published, and put them
in evidence if they chose.
Mr. Frrzclnnort observed it would be long enough
without adopting such a course, and would, therefore,
withdraw the question.
Charles Ross then appeared on the table, and, having
been sworn, was examined by Sergeant WARREN—He
stated that he was a native of England, resided in Lon-
don, and was a newspaper reporter. Is a short-hand
writer, and has been so for upwards of twenty-ye us.
Came to this country at the end of August last. Was in
this country before.. The first time became here was on
July the 4th.. He was not certain ; it might have been
June ; at all events, it was the night before the Don-
nybrook meeting. On referring to his, notes it was on the
4th orJuly that he came here ; it was suggested to him
to 'conie over here ; the Suggestion was made on the part
of 'the' Goiernment ; ,witness took notes of Mr. (Non-
speech at Donnybrook ; has not got that note ;
recollects to have had it about a fortnight afterwards ;
took a transcript of the original note.
Sergeant WARREN (in continuation)—What became
of the original note ? Witness—l carried it with me to
London, and kept it in a drawer. About a fortnight after
I recollect having taken it out, and placed it along with
some other papers, and I fancy that one of my children
--(Laughter)—who had access to the drawer, destroyed
it, but what became of it I have never been able to dis-
cover, though I have searched for it diligently. The
transcript which I took was very correct.
Sergeant WARREN—HOW soon did. you take a tran-
script of the note? Witness—Next clay, . Attended the
meeting of Donnybrook. Had a connexion withi•a news-
paper at the time. I wish to state that fact, as there
were some observations made Concerning me which I did
not then, notice, be.cause I wished to reserve myself for
this occasion. •
Sergeant WARREN—You were quite right. You have
a copy of the speech of Mr. O'Connell at the meeting at
Donnybrook?—l have.
Sergeant WARREN—Read it, if you please. (The
witness then commenced reading the speech of Mr.
O'Connell :—".What a glorious sight is here ! I have
seen many mighty assemblies, but never such a one as
this. It is impossible for me to have more power, for I
have enough," &c.
The witness still continued to read Mr. O'Connell's
speech at the Donnybrook meeting, those parts exciting
great merriment in the Court which referred to the
cheapness of tea, sugar, and tobacco, and the hilarity it
would produce among the families of the poor.
Sergeant WARREN, to witness—Have you formed any
opinion as to the numbers present at the meeting ?—I
estimated the numbers at about 40,000.
Sergeant WARREN—Where were you placed ?—On
the scaffold.—(Universal laughter.) I mean I was on
the platform. The people came in procession with the
band. A great number of flags were exhibited. I saw
Mr. O'Connell as he approached. There was great con-
fusion at the time. I cannot recollect how long the
people remained on the grounds—it might be two hours.
I remained in Ireland the next day, and returned again
at the end of August last. I saw Mr. John O'Connell
at the meeting, but do not recollect seeing any other of
the traversers. I attended no meeting of the Associa-
tion in July, but did shortly after my return on the
28th of August. Ido not recollect who was in the

chair, as the Chairman was appointed before I got in.
Mr. J. O'Connell was there. I saw Mr. O'Connell, Mr.
J. O'COnnell, Mr. Steele, and Dr. Gray there every day.
I saw Mr. Ray there on two or three occasions. I took
notes of what was said. I got some papers from Mr. Ray.
Mr. Sergeant Warren then handed the witness a pa-
per, which he identified as being handed to him by Mr.
Ray.
The witness then handed in the documents, and also
others having reference to the Arbitration Cotirts. He
received all-these documents from Mr. Ray. -He was at
a meeting of the Repeal Association on the 4th of Sep-
tember. On the 13th of September, I gat a document
from one of the clerks of the Association. Mr. Ray told
me to go to a particular room to g•t it. The document
was "The Address to the..People'of the United Empire."
' The CHIEF JUSTICE sap it was now near half-past
five o'clock. and probably the Court had better adjourn.
Mr. Sergeant Warren assented, and the Court rose at
half-past five o'clock.

IMPORTANT LIBERAL MEETING.

(From the Dublin Monitor of Thursda3.)
A most important meeting—indeed it is•impOssible ta
overrate its irnpor,ance—was held this day at the resi-
dence of the Earl of Charlemont,- Rutland square.
The object of the meeting—which has been contem-
plated for some time—was to consider the course must
judicious to be adopted in-the present state of Ireland.
There were upwards of fifty Liberal noblemen and
gentlemen present, among whom we may mention the
following ' .
Duke of Leinster; . Marquis Clanricarde,-.Marquis of
Kildare, Earl of Charlemont, Earl of Leitrim, Earl of
Meath,'Earl of Miltown, Viscount Acheson, Lord Stuart
De Decies, Sir Thomas Esmonde. Sir Percy Nugent, Sir
John Burke, Sir Valentine Blake, Sir John Power,
Dublin ; James Power, Esq., M.P. ; Robert Archbold,
Esq , M. P. ; Mathew Corbally, Esq., M. P. ;
Thomas \Vyae, Esq., M.P. ; Right Honourable
A. R. Blake.; George Roe, Esq. ; Thomas Hutton,
Esq. ; William Murphy, Esq. ; Peter Purcell, Esq. ;
Shafto Adair, Esq.; James. O'Brien, Esq, ;,lion. Charles
French ; Stephen Diekson, Esq.; Leland Crosthwaite,
Esq.; Joseph. Stick, Fsq., 111.1):; JOhn'll. Talbot, Esq.;
Ron. ColonelSouthwt:ll; Marmaduke C. Roberts, Hun.
Frederick Ponsonby, =
After an animated conversation, it was finally resolved
that a petition to both- p [uses. of Parliament should be
prepared, setting forth the adMitted leading grievances
Of the country, among which we may mention the state
Of the representation, the acknoWledged abuses of the
Church Establishment,, •' the ,oppressive and -unequal
amount of taxation to whiCh this country is subject.
-A petition embodying the above views having . been
prepared, was Unanirnously adopted by the meeting, and
was entrusted to the Marquis or Clanricarde for pre-
sentation in the Lords, and to Mr. Thomas Wyse, M.P.,
for presentation in. the House of Commons.
It was furthermore resolved' that this petition should
forth the groundwork of a substantive motion in both
houses, and after motion of thanks having been passed
unanimously to the Duke of Leinster, and to the. Earl of
Chariemont,the.meeting separated.

This meeting, we are certain, will produce the most
benefiCial effects. We know that the Liberal party in
Ireland are not scattered -beyond the power of rallying
effectually when the voice of -Charlemont calls for
union and action. In seasons of anxiety and' peril' like
the -present the true patriot is tested, and when was
a Charlernont tried and found wanting ? We trust
that out of 'this meeting a new union of parties will
result—that the good of Ireland will be the sole object
sought to be attained by political combination, and that
the welfare of our people—the promotion of industry=
the inculcation of peaceable and orderly habits—the re-
dress of admitted grievances—and, in fact, the improve-
ment of the moral and material condition of Ireland,
may prove-distinguishing characteristics of the wise and
enlightened policy which, as applicable to the govern-
ment of Ireland, we may date from the meeting to-day
at Charlemont-house.

MR. MORE O'FERRALL, M.P.
We have been requested to publish the following
letter:— Tonbridge Wells, Jan. 14,1843.
My dear Sheil,—l will feel obliged by your attaching
my name to the petition to her Majesty, agreed to at the
meeting held in Dublin on the 13th inst. I regret that the
short notice of the intended meeting prevented my being
present, to express my indignation and disgust at the pro-
ceedings of the law officers of the Crown, acting under
the direction of her Majesty's advisers. What are we to
expect from their assumption, that twelve honest men are
incompetent to try an issue by reason of their religious
opinions upon a public investigation in a court of jus-
tice, as to whether illegal acts have been committed in
proceedings taken to obtain the repeal of an Act of Par-
liament? Ido not doubt that a Protestant jury will do
justice, but I protest against the insulting insinuation
that a jury of Catholics would not.

We owe it to her Majesty and ourselves, to oppose a
system of which this is only the first step, tending to in-
fuse the worst spirit of the penal code into the adminis-
tration of the law, and to throw distrust and discredit on
institutions, which are the best guarantee for the se-
curity of the Crown, and the liberty of the subject.
Very faithfully yours,
MORE O'FERR ALL.

—Dublin Monitor.

STATE OF TRADE.

The cotton market has this week attracted the
attention of all parties, and considering that this
town owes its rapid extension mainly to the astonish-
ing increase of the cotton trade, it is not surprising
that, when such excitement prevails amongst the
brokers, the public in general look on and take
lively interest in the matter. Such has been the case
this week, and various indeed are the opinions enter-
tained with regard to the immense speculative opera-
tions that have been engaged in. The result of the
manufacturing business last year proved that the
consumption of raw cotton had largely increased; but
then low prices, lower indeed than were ever known
before, fostered this branch of trade ; and even now
there are good grounds for believing that the advance
of the last few weeks is diminishing the demand from
spinners, whose profits do not keep pace with the
prices of the raw article in Liverpool. It is well
known that the market here is now in a great mea-
sure under the influence of the American shippers,
who, being assisted by the southern banks, are not
satisfied with raising the prices in the States to such
a pitch that places all the important English orders
quite out of the market, but they go further, as it is
known that the last steamer brought instructions to buy
largely in this market for American account, and many
of the recent purchases are believed to have been en-
tered into under these instructions. It then remains
only for the manufacturers, knowing the dangerous
ground on which they stand, to act with firmness
and caution, and not by any acts of theirs to assist
the projects of those whose interests are directly op-
posed to the low prices which the spinner looks to for
stimulating the consumption. The last accounts offer
no data on which to found an opinion of a crop lOU
than two millions of bales ; the receipts into the ports
fully confirm this estimate; yet we find that opera-
tions, amounting to 70,000 bags, have been entered
into within the last five days, chiefly on speculation,
and at an advance of fully id. per lb. It remains to
be seen whether this animation will continue ; it cer-
tainly would not if the market were left to its usual
course.

- The export business is good for the season, and
prospects are cheering, but many prudent merchants
begin to doubt the full realisation of those very san-
guine opinions which were so generally expressed at
the close of last year. Although the shipments of all
goods are on a large scale, the profits on invoices are
thus far but small, much less indeed than exporters
have usually enjoyed in good times. The country,
trade is improving gradually, and an increase is per-
ceptible in the amount of goods of all descriptions
forwarded into the interior.—Liverpool Mercury.

ADVENTURE AT A MASKED BALL.—But now for
the joke. You know that K-- likes well enough to relieve
the monotonous routine of her arduous duties with a little
frolic when chance favours her. And an occasion occurred
lately. You know, at this lively epoch, all Paris is turned
into a ball-room, and masks and revels are high in the ascend-
ant. For myself, I got so- zrfiuch of this sort of thing in the
way of busineis, that I condered it a treat to escape such dis-
tractions. I never saw but one masked ball, and that offended
me in so many respects, whilst I admit that it was the gayest
thing my eye ever dwelt upon, that I never desired to
see another. K--, however, must needs go to one
of these masked balls; and an acquaintance of mine,
Mademoiselle de was to accompany her, to be en-
lightened, under her sage guardianship, in all the mysteries of
a grand opera ball. K- astonished me by a flight of fancy
uncommon in her; she declared she would go in no other way
but as my double. - She insisted upon wearing the Cracovian
costume. Bien, ma , there, if you will risk it, comme to
_ .

voudrais, but I repeat my warnings ; and I have my mis-
givings of the result.". With the thoughtless glee of a child,
she dressed herself; a' Cracovienne ; red boots, blue skirt,
White jacket, and velvet cap. There she stood, arrayed in all
the panoply of the capering Bohemian. My carriage set them
'safely down a 1' Opera, and they soon found themselves
,threading its brilliant labyrinths, thronged to suffocation
almost, by its merry mobs of blithesome revellers. The
.masqued " Cracovienne" assailed her numerous acquaintances,
and perplexed their lives nut of them ; right and left she
distributed her lively raillerie. M. Duponchell declared she
could be no other than Mile. Fanny ; and he said what made
him quite sure was, the little feather in the cap was fastened in
by a pin he knew I wore. The game was up, and the news
soon spread; the curious crowd rapidly gathered; and as, pro-
bably, it was the first time that some hundreds had ever met
the supposed one, they thought it a good occasion to exchange
a remat k or two, with all the innocent freedom that a masque
ball sanctions. But another and most unexpected attack await-
ed her ; she was suddenly accosted by a pink domino, who in
good round terms told her she was no better than an arrant
thief, to come as she had done that very day, and swindle her
out of the costume she had then on ; that she did not choose
to waste words on such a baggage; and that she must either
take off instanter the costume, or pay for it, else •he
would hand her to the police. K-- saw all argument
was vain ; and if she had had the eloquence of a Berryer, she
was too much frightened to give utterance to it. So she took
the course that it would be wise if all women did when they
get into dilemmas—to run for it. She scampered as though
for life across the vast area of the opera house, down the grand
flight, spreading havoc among the gay flower-pots, and out
into the cold streets but her relentless pursuer followed her
close, and pressed hard upon her, aided at last by the impos-
ing arm of the law in the shape of a policeman. ♦way
they went, helter skelter, till K— shot into the ports coder e
of her own house, and left the hounds at bay. She came fly-
ing breathless into my bed-room, at three in the morning, her
hair dishevelled, and her eyes looking wild. This little event
has led to all sorts of speculations, and my declaring positively
that I was not the heroine of this droll vaudeville has only
thickened the general confusion.—Fanny Ellsler's Sayings and
.Doings.

LITERATURE.
CHRONICLES OF GRETNA GREEN. 2 Ws

Bentley, London, 1844.
The title of this work will be pretty sure to recom-
mend it to the favourable consideration of our readers ,

—especially those oithe-iciTseX---To;WITO is there
that does not feel an interest in Gretna Green—tile
celebrated scene of so many run-away marriages,
where Lord Erskine figured in the disguise of an old
woman; where the young and briefless John Scott,
afterwards the wealthy Earl of Eldon, received the
hand of a lady, against whose father he subsequently,
in his capacity as Lord Chancellor, signed an act of
bankruptcy; and where, at a more recent period, Mr.
Edward Gibbon Wakefield laid the foundation of a
three years' imprisonment within the veryunsentiment4
walls of .Nevvgate ? The volumes before us give '"
historical account of this celebrated border locality,
from the earliest times down to the present day ; and.
the " materials and anecdotes"—observes the author,
.•in his preface—" were collected in the parish of
Gretna Green itself; and that, too, from such source'
as - may be held 'worthy of credit." Much of ti'd
early history of the place is, of course, intimately
connected with the border skirmishes between Eub
land and Scotland, wnich continued with more or les4
violence for so many ages; and, accordingly, we I"ive
many quaint and singular anecdotes respecting these
conflicts, and those who took part in them, which
serve to relieve and enliven what otherwise wou“1
have been a mere dry detail of facts. In the coupe
of his historical investigations the author devotes a
chapter to what he calls the " Raid of Solo ay
Moss,"—the term applied to a celebrated conflict that
took place, in the middle of the sixteenth century,
between the Scotch and English borderers; and In,
-another chapter he sketches the rise and progress (a
the "Loves of Mary and Bothwell," which, however,
are far too .yell known to stand in need of repetitiou•
The volumes are amusing enough, though their
interest is not a little diminished by the quan't7
rugged, and frequently careless and flippant manner
in which they are written. The author's serious
moods are decidedly his best; when he attempts tl
be facetious, he fails as signally as an elephant would
fad- who should undertake, to dance a gallopade. Th e.
subjoined passage is a fair specimen of his style ; t
commences a chapter, entitled a " Visit to the Gretna
Priest" :

" Simon Laing, ' weaver and priest,' son and heir,
and SQ forth, to the most notable David the pedlar, i 6
personage f much, nd most espt cil respect a person-
age whoseo interesta is great, whosea power is, confessed,
whose influence is extensive, whose friendship i_s worth
obtaining, whose reputation is unbounded, &c. In hie
custody are the most important volumes of marriage
register, come down to him through a long succession. •
and by him hereafter to be transmitted to the latest Pis'
terity. This register descended to its present possess`
from his father, who received it we know not whence. I
probably originated in him, when the plan of monor;
lising the trade began to be systematically establisheui
It has been the policy at Gretna Green, for the princir
marrier to associate unto himself some partner in the
business; thus, old Paisley took into his confidence,
David Laing, and when, Paisley died, David connected
his son Simon with him as his partner; furthermore'
when the' Angel of Death breathed upon David, and Sim°
was left alone, he, the said Simon, became associated ill
partnership with one Robert Elliott,of honourable rniontien;
Now, this apostolic succession is not thus scrupulously
maintained without good reason, that is, in so far as th.eY
themselves are concerned ; and, indeed; it was the dig"
covery of certain advantages to be derived therefronif
that at first established this consecutive dove-tailing, r,
this concatenation—of priests. In the first place,
enables them, by the extreme exclusiveness of their
body, to secure to themselves the whole of the traffic'
and, above all, the emoluments arising therefrom ; in the
second place, it gives vast importance, consideration,
and notability to him that thus holds " the keys ;" and,
in the third, this concatenation tends to prevent the les!'
dispersion, or injury of the sacred books, so reverently
looked upon and so carefully guarded. In these volumes
are entered the names of all those whom the guardiol
priest has united in holy hands ; and the custody of thefe
gives to their possessor his chief ability to continue 01,,
prevailing system of monopoly. Their importance
therefore, is manifest. Hence, that they may not Prn
into the hands of strangers, the necessity of partnersoir
is acknowledged, so that, when the principal dies, tile
other being heir by devise, succeeds to the mheritarice.
By looking well to these things; they engross much Ora;
merce and much lucre to' themselves, of course not
little to the envy and prejudice of their neighbours in the
parish, whom thtidestinies have made less fortunate.