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Who was at that time at the head of the
Board of Trade, and he had from private communica-
-4: . reason to believe that it was not that gentleman's
1 ntien to have stopped there, for he foresaw that as
raflway projects were introduced some further regula-
ttons would have to be adopted. He should, therefore,
awe that the clause of which he had given notice
eheuid form one of the standing orders of the House.
Should experience prove that this was unnecessary, it
could be very easily rescinded. The Hon. Member
then moved that a clause be added to the Bill
authorising the Railway Department of the
Board of Trade to the following effect :
And be it further enacted, that nothing herein contained
shall be deemed or construed to exempt the railway by
this or the said recited Acts authorised to be made from
the provisions of any general Act relating to such Bills,
or of any general Act relating to railways, which may
hereafter pass during the present or any future session
of Parliament, and that the said resolution be a standing
order of this House.
Mr. GISBORNE objected to these frequent attempts
at patching up the standing orders.
Mr. DARBY thought the motion ought to be ad-
journed to a more eouvenient time.
Mr. HAWES thought a longer notice of the motion
ought to have been given, and that the motion ought to
be brought forward in a fuller House. He would sug-
gest that the motion should be deferred for a week.
Sir G. CLERK hoped his Hon. Friend would adopt
the suggestion of the Hon. Member for Lambeth. He
(Sir G. Clerk) had only that moment heard of the
motion.
Mr. LABOUCELERE agreed with the principle of the
motion, but thought it ought to be postponed to a more
convenient period.
Mr. GLADSTONE recommended his Hon. Friend to
defer the motion.
The motion was then withdrawn, and Mr. S. WORT-
LEY gave notice that he should renew it next week.
DUBLIN AND MULLINGAR RAILWAY.

The Lord Mayor of Dublin, appeared at
the bar, in his official robes, and presented a petition in
favour of the Dublin, Mullingar, and Athlone Railway
Bill.
MANCHESTER AND LIVERPOOL RAILWAY.
On the motion of Mr. ENTWISLE, the Manches-
ter and Liverpool Railway Bill was read a second time.
BIRMINGHAM, GLOUCESTER, AND WORCES-

TER RAILWAY.
On the motion of Mr. SPOONER, the Birmingham
and Gloucester (Worcester Extension) Railway Bill was
read a second time.
Captain PECHELL presented a petition from William
Trubshoo of Euston, in Essex, consplaining of his treat-
ment at the hands of the Commissioners of Assessed
Taxes in surcharging him for a game certifitate.
Colonel WOOD presented a petition from Brecon,
against the grant to Maynooth.
Lord MAHON presented a petition against the Pa-
rochial Settlement Bill.
Sir. W. SOMERVILLE presented a petition from
Drogheda, in favour of the Dublin and Belfast Junction
Railway Bill.
k. LEFROY moved for leave of absence for Sir
Arthur Brooke.—Agreed to.
BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE.
Sir R. PEEL moved, that after Monday, the 2d of
bine, orders of the day should have precedence over
asOticest of motions on Thursdays. He had taken, care
emit this would not in any way interfere with any ex-
isting motions
Mr. IL BERKELEY said that the proposition of the
Might Honourable Ban net would very materially
interfere with the motion of which he had given notice,
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and which was of considerable interest. He had given
attite of the postponezneut of that motion, as ho had
bean unable, on two several occasions, to obtsin a
firspaae. Ile must say, that the expressed intention
a 1 the Right Honourable Baronet would preclude the
chance of its coming on then, and he trusted
that the Government would give some assurance that he
should bt alk,wed to bring it forward on the day it stood
cal the paper for. His mt,tion referred to an amendment
of the Insolvency Act passed last session.

Sir R. PEEL said that he was not aware that any
Member of the Governrneet was a party to the keeping
away of Members. This was evidenced the other even-
ing, when the Ilonoyrable Member for Finsbnry made a
speech, to which the Government had had no oppor-
tunity of replying. lie could assure the Honourable
Meneeer eliat he should offer no impediment to the bring-
iris of his motion.
Mr. H. BERKELEY sn'd that Le did not wish to
make a speech, and if a Committee were granted him
he should be perfectly setisfied.
Dr. BOWRING sail that a very great anxiety pre.
veiled on the subject of the lion. 2,l4mber'e motion, and
he thought the nomination of a Committee was im-
peratively called for.
Mr. WARD :aid that he also had a motion on the
paper relative to the ogricultural interests of the
country, which he had not had an opportunity of bring-
ii g forward, and he was afraid he should not have a
chance of bringing it on this session. Ho attached no
blame, however, to the Right Hon. Baronet.
Mr. WAKLET sail, that as reference had been made
to him, he felt bound to say that though, on the other
evening, he had had an opportunity of saving a great
deal, vet he had not expressed the half of what he in-
tended to have said.--(lronical cheers, and cries of " Oh,
oh.") Ile wonbi admit that be had finished as the finger
of the clock was approl.firhing the fatal hour
of seven, and ha expected that as the Right
Honourable Gentleman was going to reply, the
Hone would have listened to him. Immediately
bef'ore that period there were between fifty and sixty
Meeibere prtent, and it might be remembered that
when the Right Hon. Baronet the Home Secretary
opened the question, there were not more than thirteen
Members present ; yet, even under these circumstances,
no attempt had been made on that (the Opposition) side
10 get rid of the motion by counting the House out.
If the public business was to be got rid of in this'sort of
way, he would like to kaovr how any business at all
could be done ? He did think that such a course should
slot be persevered in, if it was intended that the
business of the country was to be attended to. He saw
Joy the paper that the Right Honourable Baronet
at the head of her Majesty's Government had a notice of
potion, to the effect he would move that after the 13th
of June orders of the day should take precedence of ,
notices of motion. If that should be agreed to, he
would like to know what chance any Hon. Member had
of bringing on any motions of which he might hare
given notice. He should say they had no chance
whatever. Therefore he would say that if the flight Hon.
Gentleman would withdraw his mess of a Medical Bill,
La (Mr. Wakley) would not say a word more upon the
.subject—(Hear, and a laugh)—but in its present form
it was utterly impossible it could be carried.
Mr. -STAFFORD O'BRIEN begged to say a few
words in reply to the lion. Member opposite, as he had
mule his (Mrs O'Brien's) name ale most striking part of
ids speech. Now, he begged to say that the Hon. Member
was mistaken altogether about him; for he had received
en intimation or suggestion whatever frem the Right
Bon. Baronet to move that the House be counted.
*mar. hear.) But, he would say, that during the
ernech of the Hon. Gentleman he (Mr. O'Brien) had re-
exiled repeated applications to move that the House be
counted, from Hon. Members opposite.—(Laughter,
and cries of "Name, name.") At one period of the
Hon. Gentleman's speech there were not more
than twelve Members present but even then he (Mr.
O'Brien) declined to Interrupt the Hon. Member—(Hear,
and leaghter)—for he said he spoke well—and it would
be better to hear what he had to say in that House than
et the Reform Club—(Laughter)—and when the Hon.
Member had done, he ( Mr. O'Brien) intended to m ye that
the House be counted, but he had received no intimation
whatever to that effect from the Right Hon. Gentleman
(Sir James Graham). However, as he now understood
that he had Interrupted the Hon. Member before he
had done, he begged to apologise to him.—(Laughter.)
Captain PECHELL presented a petition from Mr.
James Stretch, of the county of Southampton, formerly
ea paymaster and purser in the navy, for a balance due to
him, which he could not obtain though ho frequently
epplied to the Government for it.

SUPPLY.
On the motion that the Speaker should leave the
stair on the House going into Committee of Supply on
the Navy Estimates,
Mr. TRELAWNET, according to notice, brought
under the consideration of the House the case of Mr.
John Seceombs, mortgagee of the ship Velocity, seized
and brought into Plymouth for an act of smuggling
committed without the knowledge of the owner.
Mr. CARDWELL said that he deemed it right to
say a few words about the facts of the case. In the
month of October last the ship Velocity was seized and
brought into Plymouth harbour ; the circumstance
which led to its seizure was a quantity of contraband
goods being found on board, and when the Custom-house
officers entered the vessel, they were forcibly detained,
and tied fast in the cabin. It was true that in this
Instance the petitioner was only the mortgagee, and
might not have had any participation in the guilt of the
transaction, but the law recognised nO distinction, and
under such circumstances it was impossible for the Go-
vernment to exercise any discretion. He much regretted
that any individual should suffer, but in the present in-
stance it could not be avoided without making a dange-
rous precedent.

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gTATE OF THF NAVY
Captain BERKELEY called the . attention of the
House to the present'of manning • her Majesty's
Nary, and the difficuly systemtat arises in procuring able sea-
men for her Majesty's service. Theha, Hon. and Gallant Mem-
ber proceeded to say, that he had been influenced
by party or factious motives in . bringing the state
.of the nary under the consideration of the House,
whether in or out of office-- on that or on the
other side of the House, office—whether
allow any consideration whatever' toesewnay his conduct.
never would
%yar comple -
He did not like to see sea comp,.
neents, or place complement,-., because he t,'
nt sva.,,theth that was
considered them
all nonsense; a proper complernr-
required. He would refer the Hon, and Gallantl; Admiral
to a letter which he (Capt. Berkeley) had written to Sir
ecorge Seymour. In that letter he sent
Before Sit; George
for manning the navy on principle.
Seymour entered office he said that the sugaest-
-1
which he (Captain Bz•rkeley) had made wass .3on
which the Board ought to adopt, and he bra'e:
Jieved that Sir George Seymour was quite as
anxious to carry out the principle after he came inlo
odice, as he was before. It appeared that ships of 84
guns had the same number of men as ships of 8.1 gulls,
eoneequ:,ntly one ship must have too many men, or
:the other must have too few. Give him a single-
deck ship, a two-deck ship, or a three-deck ship
--give him the number of guns and the weight of
metal each had to carry, and in one moment he would
tell what was the proper complement each ship ought
to bear. lle found that, under the present system,
ships of 90 guns, and 92 guns and 104 guns, were all
classed with the same number of men. Now, was not
that an absurdity?

Sir G. COCKBURN—It is not so.
Captain BERKELEY said the only method that he