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from whom he had presented a Petition, who had' that provision ought to be made by the Bourbon
Been reported by the physicians to he sane, Government. Here the Gallant Officer observed,
though a little eccentric in writing. The indi- that before he proceeded farther, he felt it pro-
\ idual in question had not been convicted of any per to ask whether the report ,was correct, that
violence to the person, but for forgery. The the present Russian Ambassador at the French
'representation which he made of the cause of his Court, Count Pozzo di Borgo, was in the receipt
present confinement was, that he had claims of a pension from this country ? He would sus-
against the Government, and he certainly was pend his remarks, in order to afford an opportu-
very troublesome to all persons with whom he laity to any of the Gentlemen opposite, if willing
corresponded, but the cacoethes scribendi was no to give an answer to this question. One of those
reason for protracting his confinement. There Gentlemen, he observed to make a motion of his
was Hatfield also, who had been imprisoned for head, but whether that motion implied a negative
an attempt on the late King 18 years ago, and or affirmative reply to his question, he was at a
who was now perfectly sane. Under the Sta- loss to imagine.
tute respecting criminal lunatics, those persons Mr. GoveaußN said, that he knew nothing
acquitted on the plea of insanity were to be im- about the pension referred to.
prisoned during the King's pleasure, the inter- Mr. ARBUTHNOT stated, that certainly the in-
pretation of which, according to legal authorities, dividual alluded to did receive a pension from
was, that they should be imprisoned so long as this country as an emigrant, but he (Mr. A.) did
was necessary to the safety of the community. not think that any pension was paid to him at
Mr. BENNET said, a great proportion of the present.
persons so confined were those who had been Col. DAVI-S expressed his surprise that neither
guilty of murder. As to the individual Macul- the Noble Marquess, nor any Gentleman on the
loch, he understood there had. been a difference Treasury Bench was able to answer the ques-
of opinion between the medical men ; and cer- tion which he had put. Ile had no hesitation
thinly there were many persons who appeared in saying, that if a person holding the office of
sane while under restraint, who, immediately on M. Pozzo de. Borgo was in the receipt of a
:e•"tig- liberated, would be in a state to commit pension from this country, the principle of
murder.—(llear!)—it was a matter in which such a grant was most improper and dangerous.—
the House could not well interfere, as there was Now as to the Knights of Malta, he could not
no motive whatever for abusing the power left to agree that they were entitled to any compensa-
eie Government. The Hon. Member bore testi- tion from this country, unless for such property
mony to the present excellent management of ,or revenue as they might have lost through our
Bedlam. occupation of the island, and by no means. for
Mr. CLIVE said, the law officers, whose opinion any property or salaries of which they might.
had been taken in the ease of Hatfield, had said have been deprived on the Continent by any of
that the meaning of the Statute-was (as had been the Continental Powers. Besides the majority
declared by the lion. Member for Aberdeen,) of these Knights had forfeited any claim upon
that the individuals acquitted on the plea of this country from various acts since Malta came
lunacy. should be detained till they could be at into possession. On these grounds he felt it his
large without danger to the community. The duty to object to the grant of .18,0001.-out of the!
individual who had been alluded to, Maculloch, proposed vote.
was said. at times to be sane,- but at other times Mr. ARBUTHNOT said, that it was impossible
not so.- He had been indicted for forgery, and for either his Noble Friend or himself to call to
the dangitr was that with his propensity to writ- mind in a moment all the names that were on the
ing he might be made the tool of designing per- Pension List, or whether M. Pozzo di Borgo was
sons to commit private forgeries. among them. But if that individual were in the
Mr. W. SMITH said, no power was less liable receipt of any pension from this country at pre-
to abuse than that which the Government pos- sent, he was ready to say that it ought to be dis-
sessed in these cases. continued, and he hoped this declaration would,
Mr. Hums: and Mr. CLIVE explained. satisfy the Gallant Officer. But he felt very dif-1
Mr. N. CALVERT said, it was unwise that per- ferently with respect to the Toulonese Emi-
sons acquitted, on the plea of insanity, of crimes, grants ; for, according to the express stipulation
by which, but for that plea, they would have made by Lord Hood with those persons twenty
forfeited their lives, should ever be liberated. years ago, we were bound in good faith to make
There were facilities for setting up the plea, and them a certain allowance ; not for any services
it was desirable that the punishment of perpetual to the King of France, but for the services which
imprisonment should hang over those who might they had rendered to this country. The grant
escape by such a device. to the Knights of Malta was only about 3,0001.,
The grant was agreed to. and he had to inform the House, as these Knights
CONSULS. ' themselves had been already informed, that it
On • a vote of ti,631/. for Superannuation Al- was not intended by Government to propose any
lowances, farther grant upon this subject.
Mr.. HumE observed, that this sum compre- The CHANCEELOR of the EXCHEQUER said, that
hended the superannuation of three Consuls. the grant to the Toulonese was principally to
The sum of 226,000/. had already been voted for French Naval Officers and others connected with
the allowances to diplomatic persons. It was un- the navy, for.whom our Admiral, when at Ton-
derstood at the time that sum was fixed that it was lop, pledged himself to provide.
to include all expenees of this department., Mr. G. BENNET observed, that those Toulonese
The-Marquis of LONDONDERRY said that sum emigrants either sided with a foreign country
was never meant to include all possible expences, against their own, or they allied themselves with
but to cover the ordinary rate of establishment, the Bourbons against the Revolutionists,. and in
beyond which the expence was to be accounted either case he would not consent to grant them a
for to Parliament. single shilling ; for in the former case they would
Mr.' HOME understood that at the time that not, in his view, be entitled to any such conside•
sum had been fixed for Civil Contingencies, it ration, while in the latter they ought to be pro..
was understood to be the maximum of diplomatic hided for by the French Government, and not
expences. It was only by implication that the saddled upon this country.
contrary could be made out, for it was said in Mr. GOULBURN deprecated the principle of the
the Act, that if the whole of this sum was not last speaker, that we should not grant any sup-
applied to the purposes mentioned, it should port to those persons in peace, of whose services
not be applied to the other branches of the Civil we had gladly availed ourselves in war, or that
List, but'should be applied to the general pur- we should discard men for whom our Admiral
poses of the Consolidated Fund. The diplo- had solemnly pledged Government to provide.
matiC allowances were much too large for the The Resolution was agreed to.
present circumstances of the country. The re- POLICE.
sident Minister in Switzerland, who a few years Upon the reading of the resolution for grant-
ago had only 1,300/. a year, had now 40001., ing 33,0001. for the maintenance of the Police,
and the other Ministers to small States, who had Mr. G. BENNET he
rose, said, not to oppose
1,8001., had now 60001. a year. He should be the Resolution, but to guard himself against being
glad to see this department brought under the understood to approve of the entire of the new
view of Parliament. If it was admitted that they plan of Police, which he trusted would early
had a right to inquire into this expellee (which next Sessions be fully investigated.
must.be if more than the fixed.sum was demand-
ed), he. should prove that many of the Consuls
Police, which had been found so inefficient
were overpaid, the Consul at Oporto, for in-
last autumn and winter. He
the
stance, who had 800/. He should not go now throughouthoped then, that the extent of the proposed
into the question of the Consulship at Rio Ja-
grant would enable those under whose superb).
neiro, respecting which representations had been
tendence the police was placed, to provide more
made to him. Every ship which entered Rio
effectually hereafter for the safety of the inhabi-
Janeiro paid one half per cent ad valorein to the
tants of the metropolis arid its environs.
Consular Fund, under an Act of Parliament,
which was a very heavy charge on English ship. The Marquess of LONDONDERRY vindicated
ping, from which the Americans were exempt.— the efficiency of the Police, which he maintained
The Consul at that Port was receiving from to be the most effective ever known in Europe.-
30001. to .50001. a year. lt guarded, indeed, the public peace and safety
The Marquess of LONDONDERRY said, that the without interfering with our constitutional prin.
diplomatic allowances had been fixed after long ciples. What might have happened within the
consideration. Formerly more fortunes were latter par tof the last year, to which the lion.
ruirtH in that department tlian in any other of Gentleman who spoke last had alluded, might
the service of the country. be accounted for from the peculiar circumstances
Mr. ROBINSON said, the fixing of Consuls' al- of the time, which required the presence of the
lowances was a difficult matter, it was under the horse patrol, and a great part of the foot patrol
consideration of the Government. The whole of also, in the vicinity of the Houses of Parliament.
the per tentage paid at Rio Janeiro did not go to But, under the new plan, both these useful bo-
the Consul, but in fact to a fund for the destitute dies were considerably augmented, and so judi-
,
and the establishment of a Chaplain. ciously distributed in the 16 Police Districts' in
Mr. ARBUTHNOT said, the individuals to the metropolis, that prompt measures could be
whoni the superannuations were granted-, were taken for the restoration of order in any disturbed
Messrs. Allen, .Sandys, and Watkins—one of quarter, without leaving any other quarter bare
whom was between 70 and 80, another 80, and or unprotected. His Noble Friend at the head
the other 84 years of age. of the Home Department, had authorised him to
Mr. W. SMITH said, the services of Consuls say, that he was encouraged to calculate upon
were,in many instances, of a negative kind. the entire realization of his hopes from this plan,
After a few words from Mr. Hume and the especially in the diminution of crime, which was
Marquess of Londonderry, the Resolution was the great desideratum of any such establishment.
agreed to. But while he was induced to speak in those terms
Upon the Resolution being read, with respect of the Police system, he would not be under-
to the'giant of 21,000/. for Toulouse and Corsican tood to feel any objection to the desire of the
Emigrants, as well as for the Knights of Malta, . Hon. Member for Shrewsbury, to have a Com-
Colonel DAvrEs particularly objected to the mittee appointed next Sessions to examine the
grant of 10,000/. to the Toulonese Emigrants.— whole of the case.
These persons, it was
,understood, joined the Mr. G. BENNET explained, that he did not
standard of England from an attachment to the mean to express any dissent from the principle of
House of Bourbon, and from hostility to the re 4 the new plan of Police. But he must think it a
volution. Therefore, during the war it seemed very material deficiency in the Police system, that
fair to provide for, their subsistence out of our the inhabitants of the Strand, as well as of other
funds-. But upon the restoration of the Bourbons, streets, were under- the necessity of employing