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141 at present entertained, and establish a case of traffic on the
/013 Stertford line, as startling to the Committee as decisive of
the absolute necessity o. c'
its construction. He conjured them to TO-
*erre their opinion till the evidence of most satisfactory witnesses
/*I been adduced, and proved the vast superiority of the 1101
Ito
Bishop Stortford.
~_ Lord Simms explained that he merely threw Mkt the suggestion
enable Counsel to Curtail or shape their etmrse differently.
The •
exammation of witnesses was then continued.
catt
Prelleriek Nunn, examined by Mr. LEE—Is a butcher sad
le-feeder at Bury ; there is a considerable business in the trans. Mission of dead meat to London, which would be materially in-
creased _
ket
labuyt the construction of a direct line to London The mat-
the for the size of the town, one of the largest in
--emlw' Has known nine hundred head of cattle, and between
thousand and twelve thousand sheep sold at one time there.
thPStortford is a very extensive malting district, and facilities
of 4,,,
tetroh‘onmurnociation are greatly needed between that town and the
At present as much as 41. per ton is charged for the
'7l.llage of oil-cake and other goods by the tedious route from
44ni,mk
Y /dr. Coanex—Large quantities of oil-cake are consumed at
WY, which had been imported at Ipswich from Hamburgh.
Is f
Cross examined by Mr. RkWLINSON—The chief market at Bury
or lean beasts and lean sheep, the majority of which comes
fnra Scotland and Lynn, which are fattened on the turnips so
abundant in those districts. The oil-cake is used for manure, and
is now procured chiefly at the London markets. Is a small
lq Subscriber of the Direct Norwich line, and consequently interested
its success.
.inn,ea Lee, examined by Mr. GIRDEN—IS a timber merchant, of
beiren7tages, Considers that town labours under considerable disad-
from want of better accommodation, the water carriage
vo, very insufficient and objectionable. Yarmouth would be a
rourable port from which to purchase Norway timber.
Croa by Mr. CNA:USERS—Supposing a railway were
Per
rCn'ctrtletel betee n Bury and Ipswich he would still prefer to
P,.
;„
ell a -4ere his timber at London, through Lynn, inasmuch as the
ii at present for Russian larch 11/. per ton at Ipswich, and
108. at London for delivery either at Lynn or Ipswich. Canadian
'tither • •
bee„ Is imported, hut not extensively, at Ipswich, and certainly
c 7 1411e17
as at London.
IT 'Ns-examined by Mr. JAMES—Knows the country about
1,21101 k and Sussex, and contrasting the benefits that would
and
Conferred by the proposed Diss, Beccles, and Bury
1414;17 Direct Norwich lines, gives his decided preference to the
--..r'lnastnuch as it will give direct accommodation to the largest
t, •
Jettke • Instead of merely skirting the counties as the other pro.
cr 6 "'ld. Last year: he sold timber to the amount of 5,0001.
AlOO/.
Knows ridbury very well, but cannot say if there are
tisaber
Merchants in that t ;at any rate no line would be
barer navigation grat imortance to it, as it already possesses a very good
-11.
tbat!':".• COBDEN—The district about Bury is very extensive as a
Jahec°,...,untrY, and supplies the navy with its choice aroduce.
chant • andford examined by MT. lIETIIERINGTON—IS a mer-
‘tch an raalster, of Thetford, dealing in coal, oilcakes and other
410tervninodities. About 8,000 tons of goods, including corn,
kID
&c.; about 8,000 beasts, and 40,000 sheep and
.11berrejutain a sale annually at the town. The inhabitants of
asae,..._"are Unanimously in favour of the Direct Norwich line, and.
It%;7lclited petitions in its favour very numerously and in-
tiZlY signed.
terva,l7 S. Gilman examined by Mr. LEE—IS a solicitor of
4,ireet-u's and has taken considerable interest in the success of the
t.na tab. "kwich line. Considers it would confer great advantages
unity„,, A memorial, signed by upwards of 6,000 inha_
.'iaerits,. Norwich, including the influential bankers and mer_
^as drawn up in favour of the line, and petitions, equally
L C .4tants Presented from every town in the vicinity of the line.
.11 the be,.l.anlined by Mr. CIikSIBERS—Is a considerable shareholder
that 4ct Norwich Company, and acts as agent at Norwich for
krteL L.e, hilt not in a professional character. Attended a meeting at
11011 of In October last, and spoke in favour of the line. The peti-
ilfgar, Vthich he had spoken was signed by Messrs. Gurney, the
esp,..` bankers in the town, as well as by the merchants and de-
01,aanufacturers of the town.
re non • Knott, examined by Mr. GIRDEN—Has been for the last
the Years superintendent of the works between Norwich and
the isec,ent towns, and at present farms the majority of the tolls on
Nor rank' turn Pikes. The communication between Ipswich and
bel:.." was not sufficient to support even one coach ; 8,046
heLnand 46,505 sheep went through the Brandon-gate from Dur-
tle,!nd these locaities to Newmarket during the last year. On for,retford road
31,000 beasts and 7,000 sheep passed the Thet.
e,a4g4ete. but there was a green way, by which the toll could
of cattle On the Budsdale turnpike-road about 10,900 head
eaaeh , and 11,000 sheep payed toll last year. Never heard of a
Cr 'Mtn Stovrmarket to Newmarket.
,seXai by Mr. WH&TBLEY, Q.C.—Knows coaches
Mg hi
.., Old. Blue, the Criterion, the Union, and others, amount-
The,e ',into six, exclusive of mails, running to Ipswich every day.
that Lle'i'ha considerable population about Diss and the districts in
tbeeP atg b°urhood. About 11,000 or 12,000 beasts, and 14,000
*hen
„.I,ll:;eirent pass between Ipswich and Norwich. Remembers
paid 00 cattle and 18,000: sheep, about ten years since,
Raw. "1.011 the same road The reason ef the', decline was the
bur -as-exanairnaei
nr direct • •
dl wba
Ty communication.
jAm B s_
Cr_
es y tnila 6'lol Gave 7401. a year for the Sud-
-I,eoo/. - • for the Sicklesby, and a total for four tunpikes
"uj ..The
otitned.l4er having been announced at prayers, the Committee
'lit Monday next.

GROUP B.
,The ,41"CPERPOOL AND BURY LINE.
flit, - `mtnnlittee consists of Sir C. Lemon (Chairman), Sir R.
~.er, k.
„, C. Hope, Mr. F. W. Knight, and Mr. Horsm.alni .called %),Zr• flitting, on behalf of the promotersoftheßill,
'compel
the
alt a chairman to procure the Speaker's warrants to
who
re.
14,' dance of two persons, named Moore and Hartley,
3t to attend as witnesses.
Messrs. Heap and
As, • John Roberts. shipping clerk toers
the . merchants, and wholesale grocers,
et first witness examined. He state
700,0001. to 800,0001.
'thaLtivethrr dealingslwss
Ale his employers were
Ile 4t.
Witness had been in thfreobniusiness twenty years. sh.eob.,d RoC
Messrs.
a ie .
-47,.. s• large connexion at Wigan, Bolton„ .
din large quantities of dried fruit,
triktieere in the habit o
Ikey 4„lttl other groceriefssteonthesge places. During the past year
groceries. Great
yet.,
.'t to these places about 865 tons of
Itaiti,;:elbently occurred at the Liverpool depot of the Bolton
N4'estmlh The Belton Railway was, with respect to thesedelays,
* oti ~,,
t-al, any other. So much so that carters called for the
they knew they
Nit Motu "e °ttld not convey the goods if
Itto/toted g to the Bolton Railway depflt. He
.thought
b0,,,,Ue eaost i
R -e, - the
to have an entrance by railway to
-0%1,4 the tr in that quarter of the town was increas.
Mr, --"„ last year ado
The `lnside -,,'
Net,. %I Nde'keOreign and English woedlu.brirnogker, Liverpool—
the last fifteen
eons j'ast ye, 'ati increased very much
.ra . 4hep ~:t they had sold stout 300,000/ worth-80 or 100
them' sufficient accom.
itt°clatioo for eet railway did not afford
by the
delac: Cliri,t,:anSPorting their wool to Rechd. aoleo,matnndodoodther places.
* -"•' Of th7aa they had been much in h
Bolton Rail. 4Y
'tall° °lt goods at 'the . depot of t e not ye h rt. 2-
lay at the
he detention was so great, that carters did
alert g° t° go there, and sometimes their carts of wool _
the
Liv all Oi h
"Pool tr-t and became spoiled by rain. H. e thought
latioh 5,,,°,4 Manchester line did not afford sufficient acco
York-
Peg Mire, - '"e Liver o I merchants, who sent their goods to ka
line iss,4 °els line for that trade would be very desirable. Such .
Peg ."41,1benefi
.t Liverpool and the country through which it
'Led very kat
fig'ear, pater crially.
thins. °wen, clerk to Messrs. Chandler and Flem-
Nere 't brokers Liverpool, stated that his employers
..11‘heY ~,the
rgesit timber brokers in
Liverpoolt.
'',400 00-"nuallya
passed through their stores abouof
Live
' it) fet of timber, and 9.loths of the whole mahogavnigyan
11°1ton, It. „ 4heY sent a great deal of mahogany to Leeds, N
trade 4•Y, Rochdale and Oldham. Since 1825 the timboder,
24 etss,,,,„
"‘“ Liver ; and the northern districts had increas.
te,t4elleticieent4:o;ll.lsiverpoP°o°l wes the befstitmwaorrkeetforbuying goods in
used in machinery.
I. It't° hundred
._ merge quantities o
etw ochdaie, lolls of timber were. sent per. diem by his employers
'Red to
l'ittY, and those districts. His employers were often
he
rhtelern reil*wa:t foe several weeks to have timber forwarded by t
a tinvel t. .Y• The Manchester and Liverpool line often refused
sl_llet ~...14'berr and would not do so at all when they could get a
-med.t.l-, of ,i,
• b °suer goods. Most of the .
Its, f railway I A ad,,,_ • f the proposed line
Mr s "'Loges on the town of Liverpool.
were made it would confer
eti th ttlearit Battaars— All the docks in Liverpool were nearer
14%4 :11°,11,, station than the north. Most of the timber was at
The .• uy canal.
•--....
4 tHar
adt f L. ',MAI,/ said it was obvious and beyond dispute that the
etorts,O L!erpoei
the
te bete dist • had of late years greatly increased with
-411 f...- "eta I therefore it was useless for the Learned Counsel
hit,
:..i• the witnesses to this effect.
411(4 W,Llit
NS said he would open a new branch of his case, and
toel,' bieltmscn
Iso. tivespoo......AePartner in the house of Mathew and Dicken.
Satre-- tensUleption Ydsvere engaged in the coal trade, both for
,fllsbertori and Brella.n exthe
present conveyed by
port. Chiefly obtained his coal from
Zeds and
u'rehe 7elsool canal. A railway would be a. better mode of
etis.. ee• There would be two great objects achieved by railway
*1 -.yahoo
~Rht k There would be less breakage, and they
1,7 by-ceathl'at:loaldler stocks on
.hand. Great breakage took
astittliek Coalagni they were obliged to sell
. the slack at a very
, mode n stocks lost very much in quantity. The pre.
1,, rid i.,
__ Y e
-.'
4 eof c°ove ancobliged them to keep very large stocks
I.7as ~,h'' urder to su 1 contracts. Railways would also save
sh-verpoor fiag*. which svppasyvery expensive. The Manchester and
u."e tra„ floe did not afford them sufficient accommodation for
Zallgoei-rPortation of coal. Had often seen a string of coal.
ath - pule • to., het, ~,.,n in length at the railway terminus, in frosty
e,,,•as 2,, ''''' fl for delivery. Had often been obliged to sell
iOetracts. 4,. ton cheaper than he bought them, to supply
t° prepiht_m•emsequence of the present mode of conveyance.
shilrould halt hoe of railway passed through
L„, several rich coal-fields.
the ° egtentease the coal trade to r 00l to a very consider-
s, bew line Andthought 2s. a ton would be saved in carriage by
..-4)14
. b.e...
L'als e coals around Wigan were of the best description.
.rt
ss I, he
list"ete as ha, Per in Liverpool, ships would
. take large quantities
.71efe 4% and the export trade with the Continent would
he a".
tbli 14
for y 4 the coc_ '''••••How much per ton does it now cost
4 con-
that oats from Wigan? Witness-ss. 7d. He went on to
4,.'iperi ,°,,thought his house would sell three times as much coal
<44 ee-althb; present line were carried out. The cost of ob.
anal, according
.to the present mode, and in.
NIA (:)r their ,
)14, a, th._
co oat at the colliery, was 13s. 6d. per ton ; by the
,_tr,44.... tattled out,
tact
vier, . tad be sold in Liverpool for 10s. 9d. If the rail-
the exportation of coals to Dubllinbwould be ;1.11141;73.The balance in favour of the carriage of coals y railway
letNt, e„ 3i"l- Per ton on those for foreign exportation, and
t
..,,'..eale,o"vt..h_ose for home consumption. The
. witness then went
•
It, p `tuns to prove the accuracy of his statement.
Ort:trPool.!twards of the firm of Leach, Harrison, and
.Forward,
h.. 4 Pro merchants and shipping agents, gave evidence in favour
'44, 4,1)%ed line. Those in his business in Liverpool were, he
tillieskt -th favour of the Liverpool and Bury line, because it would
b
',the &° freight of manufactured goods and foreign prints y,.
sle- chear_a! instance, cheapening the wool, and the effect of
t:1-4 rtPue!, Would be that the ships would t take out
14toet the
_lataillast. The projected line. e
tits, the n t Lancashire coal.fields.—(Thls witness likewise
tlei,l goodsl3lreat inconvenience arising from the detention .
Itt:l7 koe., at the present railway termini at Liverpool. This
Ish!, lite Ztention was a great loss to him. The Liverpool andl tti,e,'el, he haii°old to a great extent remove the disadvantages ,o
„'*otilsilsi)°ken, and the Yorkshire and Lancashire manufac-
el• Wilsa ° seParated from those of Manchester.
heivolseenyTtpltr.own, a grocer at Wigan, was next called—Fur.
r
elte,trtotaid,, : hut groceries at Liverpool. His tonuage by Live *eh, os c'-'1 'oa almost 100 tons, at 6s. 3d. per ton, whether by
by 4 4144118 W f• If h
as p line were made he
117 . t:a4ilWay. . tea ton, as is. fid. would bee thLeivcohraprogoel
ittgoos2titaillt Le che Jy, nboywrailwgoat
togotowdos.
Dfispatch was very
Vable
co- Persons in his trayde. Knew there was a con.
Iht,,s'Y' bbt is iTratanication between Wigan and Bolton, and
th. "Rht there"" oow very• • '• ds were very bad.
, - te..._ .... circuitous, and the roads asewils ~,:seould be a very large th h,ar*ter aa' heed Liverpool and Bury line touched. On the
ird.class traffic between
,ItSis, ehild 4°l Ls line they had conveyed 30,000 Sunday-
old 2° givens at 6 per head The people of Wigan were anx-
17,ers ail; e'e °PPortunitie; of recreation to the poor children,
1 41st Is
vlitiise's thwarted by the expense.
Nal " was
l't°olo was elieitedeross-exarnined at some length, but nothing
°l'yet Bet- _ as upon re-examination he said that the
11s ite• 7 were decidedly in favour of the Liverpool and
tit., • leanstell , a .
INILI noe Magistrate and engine•maker, living in Wigan,
lav' 41d Y favourable to the proposed line, and thought it
t 2llos IhlY ad,
,bry i. gye autageous to the town of Wigan. Ile wou!d
‘ , . ~ Aotte;:ae. Owing
bY the carriage of iron along the Liverpool and
. Nth .44 Wigan4R to the defective state of communication between
la.- 11.-el- - aril -
-mt ‘4,,.'wct0,04 'rty, the trade between those places was
144 te re-4.
The whole charge of carrying iron.
'4' erPool, if the proposed railroad were-made Ile