The Sun.
London, England, 1845-03-20 00:00:00

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th ueed rate of duty, because sheep farmers, possess-
-14 6 °llsands of sheep in the falls of Westmorland and
,LiePtlani, would derive a vast benefit from suc:i a re.
N:l%, for it was by no means uncommon to expend
dialeetw% three, or it might be 4091. a year in the p
,„ ,ur-
Aof grea,e for what they called " serving sheep. '
illter, a few Words from Mr. EWART and Mr. Danny,
e. VILLIERS could not, in this case, join in the
11, t'hultlllation of the i on. Member for Cockermouth
%at e 'ton. Member for Essex, for he certainly thought
14 that Rol. Memb( r had as good a right to object to
dcing away with the duty on grease as any other
on Ate .
Ittketig mber. They had had, in that discussion, a
thilie cal illustration of the working of the protective
And- 8.---(ticar, hear.) An lion. Member came forward
tilotfaid that they were protecting one country against
%ert r•—(Laughter.) That meant, certainly, that they
(44,bri;bhing the one country to assist the other—
litotiy,i'er)—but each would willingly end the quarrel,
public each might with impunity rob the general
touti[s
(Laughter.) The lion. Member for Cocker-
g;4w• ished that grease should be imported at a lower
e°eoaue he wished it for sheep in Westmorland.
tne Ron. Member for Essex eld not wish to see
(Co,te. imported at a cheap duty, for he had it to sell—
d laughter)—and thus it was that the man of
Itons„r ree°mtriended the man of greuse not to divide the
%Ink- thought the a hole system a robbery on the
tile ihirlq, but Hon. Members might, as they pleased,
eseoSe or nonsense of the House upon the subject.
lirer a few
words from Sir W. JAMES,
keii',A.GLIONBY had no objection to Hon. Members
tilienrecse. so long as they did not impugn the reputa
the D-iodividuals. He had a character to maintain with
ll'tiiholL,,lie; who 'might misunderstand what the Hon.
m~eand
Wolverhampton had said of him in a jocular
ttenell4 he, therefore, was anxious to correct the Bon.
.14,1,‘9,1'i1l the interpretation of what he had said. The
Neernher for Wolverhampton had evidently miscon-
c4...e'rerything he had said, or he could not have
la 81:i into the error of supposing that he had an interest
litter eel), or that he wanted grease For sheep. He had
!ios anything which could lead to such a supposi-
-1144 -Q, had he, in the slight,st degree, advocated the
of the agriculturist. He dependel a good deal
but, nevertheless, since the first time he had
h0",,,,1wat in that House, he had always voted with the
kr",,letnher on his motion for a repeal of the corn-laws.
; '3IIA.MSTON withdrew his motion.
‘,t' If '„"DEN, however, wished to take a division on
• -4•
39 however, not supported, and the motion was
04 til_ieta was then agreed to.
haimue item being put for the admission of raw and
hides at a reduced duty,
blqeant MURPHY said he had been requested by a
oPhte :4 tanners, who carried on business in Cork, to
41ta;ptcis reduction, because it would give the f01t0111,0,4
lt0111,0,4 advantage over the British manufacturer. It
rklat4ll.l. Put one-sixteenth of a halfpenny into the
Ntti.°l,,_the English tanner, while they gave the fo
LlbPOArca'lle difference of the whole twopence, the
lel 4 amount of duty to be imposed on these
41/41,4" There were peculiar circumstances affecting the
Ste,ll,,lll,is country which rendered it advisable that
t"' the ion should be postponed for the present. Most
NOrit'ish manufacturers imported hides largely from
Le‘inzAt„,4lcrica and the district of the River Plate ; and
till(11,-„,the present disputes between Buenos Ayres
1▪
;"'s Video, they were compelled to pay an addi.
exile se of 30 per cent. upon all articles they im-
„ltia,,, Then, again, the American tanner had an ad-
hl/11°: of being able to got bark almost for nothing, or,
tie e-eats h h per than the British manufac•
tts;;While'in Belgiumeath tarn er's labour was about half
thtt;Feere what itew-aisuin Englande or Ireland. He should,
hak
move that the item be postponed. GLADSTONE had heard a similar statement
ttlktell: 1843, when the whole question relating to the
1t414 in, the district of the River Plate
Lilly 11" Y discussed, awl, he believed, .
thesesatisfac-
ttled. lie thought it was advisable to
NE,ztPeriment of admitting a great number of
Zit thege being simply articles of raw materials, or
kiNtetiV.B,,in the first stage of manufacture, into this
'itl':ree of duty, and the question now to be con
h
was, whether this particular article was one
vttß 'll.ght be safely freed. Now, for his part, he
Stibht Wa
d he would tell them why. The
ted-tttlirt of thean tanning trade was predicted when
,tlnit etion was made in the duty in 1842. Previous.
I._l4th tits° the duties varied from 6d. to ls. OP., and it
1114 tieln,, reduced in some instances to 10d. What had
tZt .;effect of this change ? Why, in the first year,
0,4" 5,5a0001b5. of tanned. leather brought into this
tilliso,oo;_m in the second year thess,ooolbs. had fallen
to, °L—(llear, hear.) This proved clearly that
etiCigners could not stand their ground in the
Ve`ll karket B t the advantage which resulted to
aatr f • U
tly from the reduction of 1842, was more ma-
Chki,„*.celr.n in the returns of the importation of
hi ,it_nce the Act of 1842, the importation of
increasedby 200,000 cwts., while the
1001htu_ • tanned leather had only increased by
doidr anbootu tthli
n 5 ,0 0 0 cwts. Under these circum-
k there was any ground for the
4()fe, the non. and Learned Member. _
his vLIONBY had also been requested by some
t constituents to oppose this item ; but after the
X4B of the Hon. and Learned Member for Cork, he
refrain from going into any lengthened state-
,the -ele begged, however, to remind the Committee
itta:'orernment that this was not an article in the.
tZle'4,(3l manufacture, but it was an article which
At; ',intents and purposes, considered by the Bri-
VIP 4racturer in a finished state.
174. tl scEEI, was confident, from what he had gleaned
tip,\-ePtitation which had come up from Liverpool to
rkiZr4l-11 him respecting this subject, that the British
e:tlrer had an infinite advantage over the foreigner.
likloliNtlea,,,t:tatnined the two qualities of leather, and this
I.t. ;bet, op every doubt he might have had upon the
hear.)ltlth - Since the year 1841, burdens
lit ;sed upon the tanner had been removed to the
It '1,00,0001, and he could not understand what
prni:a,(-1 to complain of. It was said they removed
!t4:4(1 tee
ettve duties of the manufacturer, but never
ric,t str,-cse which bore upon agriculture. No.w this
tia for they did not propose to do away with the
114114tilttk to benefit the tanner.—(Hear, and cheers.)tbn
tt.tl.(loo/.llt,a%es the tanners had had was not less
ki`„tin,i`le hoped the House would not think t y
I,4+l.lbalif.'`llg the home manufacturer of leather to com •
tl7. 1. they allowed the free importation of that
he -a Was the tanning trade were perfectly
td a sure
far competition with any country.
!ft,;k4z ri-11( ICK believed that the fear of competition
11,:stinia-arY, and was surprised to hear the advocates
!tkn'th ;"e asking for protection upon such an article
4a-1'1AI%; Vor himself, he shoulHalways vote
theftfo the
tiZtatly protective duty. believed rtb-
IC% t• i;
econtry were perfectly able to. compete with
Y',..1:11 in the world. Every facility given to
ttritt 4,1411ge with all nations extended commerce,
tlio'iotended with universal good.
NIL tiv:PNG could see no necessity for continuing
al; ki-,huty on tanned leather.
411 would not press the subject after what
o,et 4 from the Right Hon. Baronet at the head of
.91tttl:411t1111. eat and the Noble Lord the Member for
tp,tlviugs' then ordered strangers to withdraw,.
tit!lrr• Sergeant Murphy left the House amid
6,1111;(4,11tY said a division took place he should
kiNp,4PPort the proposition of the Government.
(1• 11,143., Were thenpordered to withdraw and the Com-
• , When there appeared—
An.',''Lne remission of the duty
''aat it.
y 9 pr Majority
tjlah gut Position of the Government for the remission
y
tt, as consequently carrie d. _
teq• (ihkiil Mission into the gallery, we found
I,lit"N te"C''AN on his legs, moving that lard be omit-
Ce list of articles upon which it was proposed
it fmtplltt°l33B duties should be repealed. Every I.,:ng-
• 'te was interested in the question; and especially
tw/t).etst: Irish
peasant and small farmer affected by the
klk,..taig•''' Proposal. Although the duty of 2s. per
hoZt I,ol:Tear small, to persons of small weans the
▪ t-tlfnPortant. The loss, of a protection of 2s.
'l%l ", home producer, would be a serious one
kklet q. dir classes.
eat'iLLIIK did not think that any case had been.
k4ll rejectir, the Government proposal. This
ittit
of article
0 of 'great importance to the manufac
11/44% h Country. A new application of this
4ek 41,4', b .
een discovered which rendered the
Particularly desirable. By the exhaus-
keit), "o ; from it would be of great utility
Y,ses;;;,,t,he finer branches of machinery. Looking
104 '0 iW"Ce of the last two years, he was convinced
J:lry Would be inflicted upon any class of the
if the House sanctioned the proposed
1,14 -Lear,
41t flisoNar.)
supported the Government proposal.
,rate NE
an nEGATE said the people of the United
tht c'tk"`ciPated that they would be able to make lard
1,411111:510,aell; staPle commodities. It was impossible that
▪ J111,,-l'Asc,of this country could compete with those
, "))' W4', otates when the latter had such facilities
Ir;°ll.cliiv."°wll"to have for
roduction of hogs.
' NI)11 VAI said he cood not refrain from
tik his 1
' • II sentiments on the question before the
tQIS L e considered the manufacturing representa-
e (et like •
is,,Nat Jacks in the box, presenting themselves
t,,Prene,„ et the country.-( Laughter.) Although
% -Lative of an agricultural constituency,
rho ere cons, go with the ultra party—(Hear)—
h,cn, honk atantly forcing themselves on the notice.
tZt'ia„4-lar, ,IninaitY.—(llear hear.) When the Right
0 'tea °-e' (Sir R• feel)' brought forward there,
.11:014ttsaieclattilirdalveirnyt great measures the a.n)(l,
tit his
interest would, lie believed,. profit
thq 18 1,1 -very other interest in this country_
14t ultra
Friends said to him, at the conclusion
Ns p
1,1; what '`)11. Baronet's speech, -4' We are all in
"thel is there for us?" His immediate reply
Oat*" tete'" nothing for, you."—(Great laugh-
Ltll4 nae tell you" (continued the Ho-
tlittt.l,l3s,ile:Mbber, with almost dramatic. action),
I,ll‘tines arhament, you have at this time three
of °lieYou have the
.Conciliation hum-
laga
,-,--kLaughter)—the Anti-Corn-law League
Ointa r"en Theatre, and the Proli -Pudor House
4ik h to i
4.0 to Bond-street.—(Great laughter.)
to a eV constituents and to the country—l am
4 t it) rsition of self-defence—l have been driven
" seatthe sword is drawn.—(`The remainder
Ptlio,*e h,etn,„?e_vy.tts lost amidst roars of laughter.)—
s;.itre aly,v this protection society, the members of
138.,
.noblemen 1, hi, ihei , en and Members of Parliament...
Sty 3, a , r dictates to the minor associations the
Rst he„ •
th tlgh at
ribert minor associations take, I contend,
_a
• 4, !kr.) I dYounpotn themselves with respect to us.
bait one inch of my adherence to
N'tj2tiellitural interest, but I never will be one of those
i
4ltt "len whom
loee of 00l I have described. Let me take
th,„ e Nei, au agricultural society.—(Hear, hear.)
11 Napa_ 'ed a letter from one. Now I entertain
my county and try constituents, and I