The Sun.
London, England, 1821-06-22 00:00:00

MANCHESTER ORANGE ASSOCIATION.

Sir J. NEWPORT bespoke the particular attention of the
House, and of the Noble Marquis opposite, to .a subject of
great importance and delicacy, on which he wished to receive
some informatiOn., from the Noble Marquis. He alluded to
statements which had appeared in most of the Daily Newspa-
pers, of the proceedings of a Society at Manchester calling it-
self an Orange Association. According to these statements, it
appeared that this Association was connected and formed one of
a number of Corresponding and Officiating Societies: It had
regular officers with particular functions attached to their ap-
pointments, and its Members were bound by some secret obli-
gations, and it was in all respects so constituted; as to come within
the description of the Acts of 37' and 59 of Geo: 111. against
secret ...ocieties. The circumstance was more deserving of at-
tention, and the more to be regretted, as it was given out that
persons of high station were Connected with this Assoeiation,
and as it tended to establish In this country a system which had
been attended with so many disastrous consequences in Ireland.
t was stated, that a personage, of no less consideration than
his Royal Highness the Duke of York, was at the head of this
Association. Without other authority for the truth of this
part of the statement than the public Newspapers, he should be
led to conclude that the MeMbers of. this Association wished to
make an appearance of being connected with authority; or that
his Royal Highness had been surprised into the loan of his
name by false representations, to an illegal. Association. He
could in no other way reconcile the thing to his mind, and he
wished for snore authentic information on the subject.
The Marquis of LONDONDERRY said, he had to express
his acknowledgments to the Hon. Baronet for having acceded
to his wish in-postponing to notice this subject on a former oc-
casion, when he felt that he was not prepared to give him any
answer. In the interval he had been enabled to communicate
with his Royal Highness on the subject, and he could nowaf-
ford that answer by his Royal Highness's authority and direc-
tion, which he had no doubt would prove highly satisfactory to
the House and the Hon. Baronet. In consequence of a letter
addressed to his Royal Highness in February, he had been in-
duced to acquiesee in the request to have his name placed
amongst the Members as Grand Master of a Loyal Association
at Manchester.. He gave his assent to the request to this effect,
from an idea that nothing Political entered into the, object of the
Association, and that his appointment_was merely honorary, in
no way involving him in political proceedings of any descrip,-.
tion. ,The moment, however, that the legality of the Associa=
tion became questioned,- lie conveyed to the Committee, in the
most specific terms, without imputing any breach of the law; pr
impugning the Society, his desire that he should no longer be
considered as belonging toit.—(Hear, hear !)
Sir J. NEWPORT felt highly gratified, as he was sure the
House did, at the statement of the Noble Marquis. He was too
well persuaded of the Duke of York's attachment to. the laws
of the country not to be convinced that he would act as he
had done. He hoped, as it was obvious the Association was
illegal, and in violation of the letter and spirit of the Acts, that
the Law Officers of the Crown would take cognizance of the
matter.

Mr. W. SMITI-1 presented a ,petition from the Manufae-
turers. and Dealers in robacco•of the City of Norwich, 'against
the Tobacco Duties, 8i11.7-Laid on the table.. -

The Isle of Man Duties Bill was coinmitted.--Report to-
morrow.

A Message from the Lords announced their Lordships' assent
to, certain Bills (for which see Lords).

GENERAL DESFOURNEAUX.

An lion. MEMBER brought up the Minutes of Evidence
taken before the Committee on the Guadaloupe Claims.
Mr. P. GRENFELL begged shortly to call the attention of
the House to the subject of the paper which related to Gene-
ral Desfourneaux. There was 'a claim of this Officer's which
would probably be moved that very night, and it was necessary
for the House to know the nature of it. In 1794, when the
British took possession of Guadaloupe, they entered into an
agreement with a Mr. Adaille, a French Gentleman, to pay
him a certain sum for the use of certain hospitals,- which he
had previously to the occupation by the British let them at the
same price to the French. The English were driven from that
island six weeks afterwards ; and, upon that bccasion, two of
these hospitals were burnt. Out of this the claim arose, and
General Desfourneaux was only one of the representatives of
Mr. Adaille.

•Mr. BROGD.EN spoke to order. He did not think the Hon.
Member had a right to enter thus into the merits of the case
upon the mere presentation of a paper. •
The SPEAKER over-iuled the objection.
Mr. P. GRENFELL went on to observe, that there was no
evidence to prove whether the buildings were burnt by the
French or the English ; and; upon the • whole, •Et hoped the
House would see the propriety of rejecting the grant.
Mr. MARRYATT said, lie had been along time in Gua-
daloupe, And never ..heard of • General Desiburneaux's claim,
and he'hope,d it would not be granted.