The Sun.
London, England, 1819-11-27 00:00:00

HOUSE OF COMMONS.

The Report of the Commissioners appointed to
enquire into the Fees-of the Clerks of Courts was
laid on the Table, and ortkred to be printed.
A new writ was issued for the Borough of Cam-
ht;dge, in the room of the Hon. General Finch,
uho had accepted the Stewardship of the Chil-
tern Hundreds.

NrtSTATEM ENT.
Mr. BONNET complained of a mistatement of
his speech, in The Morning Chronicle report of the
dehate, on Wednesday, in which he was made to
say, that the Yeomanry of Manchester were forced
forward without their Commander, Captain fir-
ley, 'lte dispersion a the Meeting of the 16th.
Be had said no such thing ; and nothing could
be more painful to him than to give pain unne-
cessarily to the feelings of.another. Capt• Birley
was a Gentleman, who, he knew, had always
done his do y, and not done more.—(Hear !)
The moment he read the Mistatement, he had
written down to a friend at Manchester, request-
ing him to wait on Captain Birley, and assure
him that the report, as to that point, was incor-
rect.

STATE OF THE COUNTRY.
Lord ALTKone wished to know tram the Noble
Lord opposite (Lord 'Castlereagh), whether it
Was the intent in of his Majesty's Government to
propose referring the Papers note the posses-
sion of the House, to the consideration of a Com-
mi.ree or not ?
Lord CASTLERRAGII in answer, observed, that
he had on a former night when be alluded to those
Papers, stated that it 'Was the intention of his Ma-
jesty's Minis, ers to found the Legihlative measures
which it -was in contemplation to propose on the
notoriev of the state of the conntry, together
with the information disclosed in these papers, at
once, without the necessity of any reference.
While on his legs, he took the opportunity of ac-
tin:tinting the House; that in consequence of not
having proceeded to business yesterday, and the
-bringing up or the Report being likely to produce
•furdier Oisctission; he should-postpone the open-
ing of the views of Government until Mooday.
Lord'ALTHoRP gave twice, that on Tuesday
next he should submit a motion to the House
(what the ipecific extent he could not then say)
for the purpose of referring these papers to a Se-
lect Committee.

CORRUPT BOROUGHS.

Lord JOHN- RUSSELL recalled to- the recol-
lection of the House, the 'notice which he had
given towards the close of the last Session, re-
hoive to certain Resoletions, which it was his
intention to propose, affecting the Borough of
Gr.oupoond As it wes his present intention to
give these Resolutions a greater comprehension,
he rose for the purpose of renewing that notice,
and fixing a day for the discussion. He had not
vet prepared his Resolutions in the precise terms,
.but their purport was—that the-Borough of Gram-
pond should be disfranchised--that the return be
transferred to one or two of the opulent unrepre-
sented towns—t hat the House would consider
further into the state of the Boroughs proved to
be corrupt--that where the Inajfoity of voters
should be found corrupt, such Borooghs should
be divranchked—that it was expedient to give
the elective franchise to large populous unrepre-
sen et! towns. In giving this notice, which he
fixed for the 14th of Dcember, he trusted the
-i; „ ;:7e would indulge him, while he made a short
explanation; .1,.; had gone Abroad, that it was his
intention to propose to the c;;;:sideration of Par-
liament some distinct plan of ParliamenWy Re-
form. He took, therefore, that opportunity of
saying, that he had no such intention ; neither
• should he interfere with the duration of Parlia-
ment—his object-was one of regulation.
REPORT OF THE ADDRESS.
The Hon. SoMeas CocKs brought up the Re-
port of the Address ; which having been read,
Sir ROBERT WiLsost felt great distress. at re-
newing a subject which had already exhausted
' the attention of the House; but the great national
interests which it involved demanded the sacrifice
of all minor considerations. He objected to wild
plans of Reform and Universal Suffrage, because
he thought them likely to endanger the safety of
the institotious which, at the Bar of that House,
be had sworn to defend. But whilst he disagreed
with the Radicals in opiuion, lie would not push
them out of the pale of the Constitution. He felt
great compassion for them, and so would the
House if it put itself in their situation... They
read that every man in Free States, voted by him-e
self, or through his representatives, for the enact-
. meet of the laws by which he was governed. Was
it not natural that they should yield to. the sug-
gestions and seductions of those who told them
that they were deprived of -that right, and that
' • they should colie forward to claim it ?At the
meeting of the 16th of August, the law bad been
most flagrantly violated . towards them. Their
banners and their notnbets had been objected to ;
but had not the statement of the. Honourable
Baronet who represented Weotriinster completely
removed those objections. Of this the cheers
which accompanied that statement gave evident
proofs. And with respect to numbers, did not
every member who had to present a Petition, feel
its importance if it be signed by ten thousand in-
stead of three hundred. There was other ev7-
..
(fence that the people had not come to that meet-
ing with hostile intentions. They had brought
• with them their wives and children, the objects of
_ their affections.---(Hear hear l)---They had
brottglit with them, the gallantries of peace, and
conld not have intended war—(Hear, hear !)—un-
.
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less indeed, like the Ancient Britons, it was stip-
threiml-it e.?oposed that they bad surrounded themselves with
----410 that waa.dear. to-them, in order to encourage
,
tiC..<'">• •, ., ' rto the battle, and invigorate their despair.
' is;oher proof of their pacific intentions, was the
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idt\ii on which they had taken. Had they intended
o'VA:,, -.. •-si j:1 Lr t hostilely, would they have stationed them-
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selves in a. cal de sac, a mere mouse trap, where
they were surrounded by the military, and
where they had. no retreat bet one, and. that- re-
treatenne where. they were Witted to encounter
the advancing cavalry ?- He did nor Contend that
the Magistrates might not have dispersed the
meeting, -but they ought to have done so accord-
ing to the forms of the law,
.which was tender
of the blood of the people.—(Hear !)—The
Noble Lord said that they only intended to exe-
cute Et civil act. Why then did they employ the
Military.? Could tha't he necessary when Nadi')
himself, the man most obnoxious to the people,
said in the correspondence before . the House,
hat be went up and down ,among the crowd'
withont any difficul,y ?—He knew that Colonel
L'Estrange was a most honourable and distin-
gnished officer ; it he had ord,red the advance of
the cavalry amongst :e body of men, women, and
children, he had assumed a great responsibility,
for the effects of the mere march of the horses
must have been anticipated. Bet he did not be-
lieve it, and it was due to the character of that
officer that an inqniry should be instituted
Nadin himself said, that the attack of the cavalry
on this occasion had been so rapid that he had
not been able to withdraw the constables in time
Surely would the House after this refuse to do-
justice to the people by ordering an ingitily ?
The Hon. Member then contended that Atte num-
lber of wounded, which bad been stated nor to
exceed 26, amounted to 151, the names of whom
he hoped in a few days to be able to produce.
He contended that the Grand Jury had thrown
out the bills laid before them, nor h;-cause +hey
thought the charges unfounded, hut throngh a
misconception of their own power. He main-
tained that his Majesty's Ministers had be-
stowed the Royal thanks improperly, as even
the papers before the House showed that
much had been left untold. He complain-.
ed that they had not allowed the . Prince
Regent, in his answer to the Common Coned'
of London, to introduce a single expression of
regret at the loss of lives, although such were to
be found even in the letters of Mr. flay himself.
He lamented that they should act on the erro-
neous supposition, that if the Kiog of France
het! displayed more vigour at the commeucement
of the Revolution, he would have saved his
throne. Far front it ; he was convinced,that had
the Marquess de Booilly acted at the time., instead
of rescuing the throne, he would have added to
the evils of the times. He was aware that disat-
tection existed, het it had its root, not in a spi-
rit of violence and rapine, but iu excessive mise•
ry. And bow could. the people be religious and
satisfied, whets immorality was encouraged by
Government in the practice of lotteries, anti mil:
lions mt our fellow creatures were drprived of
their rights on the ground of Religion ? ()illy
'one system of Goveroment could he adopted with
effect. It was not one of force, but one of law,
one of conciliation, connected with that I',lrlia,.
mentary Reform, which he bad heard a .1 olge
from the Bench, and had gladly heard him re-
commend, " that should extirpate corruption out
of the House, and restore the confidence of the
people."
Mr. G. LAMB conceived, that if the people could
be satisfied with words, they might he pleased with
the expressioes of commiseration introduced by his
• Majesty's Ministers into the Address. But when
they had been omitted on former occasions, why
were they now inserted? Whilst every oppor-
tunity was taken of declaring the loyalty of the
subject to the Throne, why did so few declare-
Hoes express sentiments of conciliation and pro-
tection in return ?—(Hear, hear:)—The Address
was not exactly,as it ought to- be. The House
ought to entry to the foot of the- Throne inure
than mere words. They ought to have applied
for inquiry. What would be the effect of such
an Address as the present in the manufactur-
ing districts I--They Would read that the
House believed in the existence of disaffection,
and pledged itself to measures of restriction, but
that with respect to their distresses, it contented
' Itself with expressing a barren hope that they
might prove temporary ! Was this calculated to
tranquillize their minds and soothe their feelings ?
He was near the spot shortly after the meeting
of the 16th of August, and had seen many re-
spectable people who bad a perfect knowledge of
all that had passed at that meeting. The result'
of the information which they had given him, was
a conviction on his pair that no resistance was
opposed to the reading of the Riot Act by the
Magistrates, and that no attack was made on the
yeomanry before the cry of " have at their flags"—
(Hear, hear !)—This was certainly a time
when assertions might safely be made on both
sides, for that inquiry was denied which might
display their truth. He called the attention of the
House to the appalling situation in which the
town of Manchester and the country were placed
by the refusal of all inquiry.. Individuals who
had lost their dearest friends or relations in the
events of the 16th, had still looked with hope' to
that House, notwithstanding all the declamations
and publications .ot the Radicals. What would
be their feelings when they, should learn that their
hope w-s disappointed ? They would examine
the proceedings of the House, and expect some
fact to have been stated, or some argument used,
of sufficit nt power to justify the denial of inquiry.
But on looking at the speech, of the Noble Lord
opposite, which night be considered as the polar
star that guided the late majority, would such
facts or reasonings appear ? They would find it
stated that the Magistrates had issued no positive-
orders to the Yeomanry to strike the people.
IVIto then would they consider as the authors
of their injury ? He contended that it was most
improper to have employed the Yeomanry, who,
unlike the regular military force, were con-
nected by many ties to a particular town, and
were thus compelled to spend their lives,
where they were surrounded with the resentment
and inslignation of the people. The injured indi-
viduals were told, that an indictment lay against
Hunt, and they must look to him for satisfaction.
But they would answer that his prosecutors were
the Magistrates, who were parties to the trans-
action. When such prosecutors found that they
could not make out the case against -the
.accused
without exposing themselves, was it net to he ex-
pected that they would prefer Sacrificine•justice to
, their owe security ? It was said that the question

ought to he /nought before a law lithunal, instead i
of undergoing general inquiry in the House.—
But there was one part, and that not the least im-
portant, which no Court of Justice could reach ;
he meant the ceinduce of Ministeresin the trans-
action.—(Hear, hear:!)--eThe case 'Of the Magis•
trates and Yeomanry was very different ; the one
might be justified at the expence of the other ; but
his Majesty's Mitiisters bad approved the conduct
of both, and thus assumed the responsibility of
the whole on their own shoulders.—(Hear, hear,
hear !)--When the want of means to prosecute
was urged, the House were told of a subscription
going on in the Metropolis and other places to
afford those means. It thus turned out that that
subscription, which the Ministerial Press had so
misrepresented and abused, was, after all, the only
means that remained to be insured for seeking re-
dress.—(Hear, bear, hear the vote of the
night helot e last, be had entertained no doubt that
an inquiry would be granted, but now that it was
denied, he would give his mite to the subieription,
and he thought the Honourable Gentlemen on
the other side hound to do the same.—(Hear,
hear, hear !)—They asserted that • the Courts
of Law were the only places where the sufferers
ought to
.apply, and where justice could be ob-
tained ; they ought therefore to contribute to
enable them to make the application. On his
side of the House it we's an act of liberality;
on theirs it would be one of justice —(Hear,
hear, hear !)—lf they objected to the persons who
had the management of the fund, let them set on
toot Ministerial subscription of their own for
'the S4tnE` object, and he pledged himself to sub•
scrih .—alear, heat ! and laughter.)—He was
serious, and appealed to the Gentlemen opposite
whether it was not proper that they should do
that by private generosity, which they had pre.
veered by their nubile vote.—(Hear, hear, hear !)
He recommended that measures of conciliation
'mild be adopted towards the people of Man-
chester. He was well acquainted with several
of the Magistrates, and therelcre experienced
.sotne difficulty in speaking about their conduct.
Of he stipendiary Magi Irate of the place, how-
ever, the Learned and Rev. Mr. Norris, he would
say. that was his belief, that a man with a
kinder heart did not walk the earth. But if the
proceedings of the 16 Ir August were really di-
rected by Mr. Norris, it be bad not suffered liimself
to be over-etileit by others, he must then; for that
day, have altered hi natere,(-Heer, bear, hear!)
The Honourable Member then elamed the man-
ner in which the proceedings before the °Mem
Coroner had been snspended, after having com-
menced with manly coefidence. He reprobated a
certain Magistrate, for having taken upon himself
at Manchester, the part of a Wand and a Petty
Jury, and pronounced on the innocence of a per-
son accesed before him. He asked whether any
Lawyer in the House would say that Meagher's
case was not one which ought not to he disposed
ot by a Magistrate, but ought to have been sent
before a Jury I—(Hear, bear !)—He reprobated
any increase of the army in the midit of peace.
It was now too late to talk of the glories of the
war ; it was time to feel the blessings of peace.—
(Hear, hear !)—What had that triumphant w-er
bequeathed to us ?• Barren glories and gagging
bills ; the latter of which, introduced during its
course, were now to be renewed,—(Hear, heat;)_
For what objects had that war been undertaken ?
Fur what purpose had the triumphs of our great
Commander been achieved ? Other nations had
found in him a defender ie war ; let his own
find in hint a defender in peace.--e(Hear, heat !)
One of the objects of the contest was to put
down republican principles. How had that ob•
ject been effected ? He would not answer the
question ; but let the Address proposed by his
Majesty's Ministers speak. Did it not say that
.republican principles, irreligion, and blasphemy;
were current among the people, • and vended in
every shop ? ,It was thus that the great end of
war had been attainetl.--(llcer, hear !)—The
confidence of the country was lost : it could only
be restored by such Retorm in Parliament as
would produce an efficient Representation in the
State. 01;e of the worst signs of the times was
the want of confidence in all public men; and
this arose frotn the conduct of his Majesty's Mini.
sters, and of the Magistrates themselves. Their
speeches and measures tended to reduce other
• public men to their own level, and in that he be-
lieved they bad succeeded. •They were, in fact,
the worst of all levellers.—(Hetir !)—He conjured
them, as they bad declared in their Address the
great majority of the people to be loyal,- to pause
before they injured and insulted that majority by
measures of restriction, and deprived them of
those weapons and arguments, by which they
could best counteract the disaffected.—(Hear,
heat., hear !)
Mr. BOOTLE WILBRAHAM entered into some
explanations of what he had said on a former
night, in the course of which he stated, that lie
believed the motives of the leaders on the 16th of
August to have been nothing more than the re-
view of their army, and the intimidation produCed
by its numbers. To the whole of the multitude,
God forbid that be should attribute improper in-
tentions, but there was a body amongst them
• whose object was plunder. Milieu he said plun-
der, he did not mean immediate violence and rob-
bery, but he meant what hail been expressed in
the Declaration-of the Grand jury at Lancaster,
an intention to reverse the order of society, and
to wrest by force from its present owners
all the property of the country. As to the num-
ber of persons admitted into the Infirmary, he
had only mentioned the in-door patients, who did
not exceed twenty-six ; and the out-door cases,
he believed, thirty eight ; but the sufferers com-
prised several who had been wounded. subse-
quently, and an unfortunate Chelsea Pensioner,
who had died in consequence of the injury
which lie had received from the mob. With
respect to the first attack having been made by
the Yeomanry, he had looked carefully over all
the papers, and the result was, an impression
that the people had been the assailants. The con-
flicting nature of the evidence, however, Con-
vinced him of the impropriety of an inquiry in
the House, as it was only in a Court of Justice
that oaths could be administered, anti the real
truth obtained. It had been Laid that the - Ma-
gistrates ought to be dismissed, and a dismissal
would certainly cast S :dolt upon diem.

But those very Magistrates tad for months re"
formed the most meritorious services. Notions'
in fact, had prevented them from executing their
duty, thotgli they met with so uegrateln/ re'
turn. h was one consolation to t eoeseeers
that those who knew their merits c them PIP'
Lice, and that their conduct had een wen*
tioned in strong terms of approbation in the Ad'
dress presented to the Prince Regent on the stf!f7l
jest of the Manchester transactions, and signet'
by all the respectable inhabitants of that too•
MreDaNISAM had come prepared to argn we
the
legality of the Manchester 11.1eeting. As lie founds
however, that a Noble Lord (Lord Abhor p)
given notice of a motion on the subject 44114
the
Manchester Papers, he should delay explaining.,
grounds on which his opinion was founded, till
that question come before the House. He shoula
at present only add, that he never could agree to
an Address which .entirely overlooked the greatest
offence that bad yet been committed against th•
Constitution—(Hear, hear!)—tending in the molt"
direct mariner to establish military despotismeo
the more dangerous as. it was defended on pritt'
ciple.—(Hear., hear, hear !)—He could never agree
to an Address, which did not even contain 01
expression, of regret at the calamitous results a
the dispersion of the meeting,
whilst it carried to
the foot of the Throne the acquiescence of
House in measures of restriction.—(Hear, hear I)
Mr. SHEPHERD had thought himself bound b/
every principle, of justice to vote against all
amendment that tended to excite a vexatious in'
quiry, and excite an unfounded prejudice agsitist
the Magistrates. For if an inquiry were testai
tutcd, the impression on the public mind wolf
be, that the Magistrates were guilty. He c°l;
tended the; the meeting was clearly illegal' Ald
was in itself a riot.—(leer, hear, hear !)—lt
ho
been so decided repeatedly, and by two Judges%
the Bench, whose authority wonld have sol;
weight. Lord Holt had declared, " shat per
assembled in iminhers, in ter rorune popati, it c°,!,.;
stituted a Het." Art's were not toces,ary'
numbers sopplied their place; and cooed there
any doubt that 100,000 pee solis a..sembledsag I
Manchester, even without arms, se,,idd efeeieul°,,l
terror than 4 armed individuals. J n.ige Forsier
on that subject, that " numbers supplied the kW;
-of military weapons, and made it a riot." But elti
sup.posiug the Manchester Nieetiag not to flail
heen was sutlictent that It was an ill
assembly justify its dispersion.—With fest' ito
eg
to the manner in which it liad'hecu dispersedeL
meas surprised to hear the Magistrates Mewled To
having employed the yeomanry inereart of Lot
ntilitaty. The. yeoman' y was the Cont Woo
Force of the Country. it supplied the place of to
posse comitatus, when the latter were neat/led
execnte their duty, and was therefore most fi,
the service in which it had been empirled• by
then contended that restrictive laws woo
better than 'the abuse of the right of tecet,ebi
which produced such terror. He urged col
necessity of checking the advance ref psfYa
tumult in its earliest stage. It kV f 4 0,1,
that the remedy could be Successfully
If it was dclsyed till the whole body wee 0,
feeted, it could have no effect.• H uce fti,s
gistrates had done right in eeppressiug ad
meeting as soon as. they did. It had heel;
that Christianity was the religion of LihertYli.•,,,
was so ; but of liberty founded on law, suit',
specting the rights of individoals.—(Heor
It was incumbent on the House to pass some 74,
to prevent the publication of blasplismorte
, In every Republic there had been laws to reg Ali the
the press. They were necessary, for it sowed tee
teeth which might spring up armed setts, "ore
present case, he bad no doubt, that could a' frill
ing man become the leader, and acquire (beds.
confidence of the disaffected, those armed srt)
would 'non spring up in our own land.— l`"
Air. MARTIN (of Galway) felt as ninon ws
Honourable Member opposite for the mdse lose
who had suffered in the dispersion of the ostS
chester Meeting- It was proper to feel fur o'°loo,
and children, arid to make up for the injtirielo
ceived was an honourable example worth,' t esti
followed. it was well to assist women witaoe'
been deprived of the aid of their
(Laughter)—to put money nod sustetrauce:o4o
their mouthe—(Lnagliter)—for a few I“,est0
would be more usehil and more grateful t° 'lOl
than all the mouthing speeches which 114
heard. An Honourable Baronet opposi(Aeolitto
surely not dealt in these alone. He had, 0°"1,
adopted the families which had been
pbans, and his conduct would be imit4le(
his friends !—(Laughter !)—Sttch a rentedY weepbe more effective than to talk of relieet4 1011
by a Parliamentary Inquiry The lit
meat of the military had been blamed; At fit°
hoped that no laWyer would contettunrjel
the military were wrong for obeying the "rejig
of the Magistrates. 'What • suhstantihl. 4i,01
could be derived to the sufferers from an 1:11„.4
in the House ? Could the House Commit '-certiP
ways as the Court of King's Bench ? N°„4- 141.,1
it award damages to the complainan,s Al if fiV
should be less inimical to such an 40001 fee '
only useless; but it might inflict a Mutt, so 10l
s
injury upon a man to be obliged- to disci.°,lll
eil
ease at the Bar of the House, where it •01' fn
terwards be met by the foulest suborna!'ut rte 4
perjury.—( Hear, hear_!)—The most 11".1,1: gfie,
judicea might be created against iiirn• 7 his fo,
that it was said the prejudice might run 11
and bJ
-your; but that was a clumsy reasonioF,_ ode/
thought no prejudice of any kind should 173liese:
on either side.—(Hear.)—But the prei_ 'OOOl
the people did not orieinate in their
rn ootic,'o
they were the absurd imagining of tbetthPe 'ol'o
Mentors. They would tell you, di°, enseS
were used to pay the unnecessary exPentobetir,
Court—to maintain placemen P- ie (01
and speaking
.oh that subject with them.
Martin) had always been told, that %ttd
view of the taxes that most of all exsoPetix,estfaie
Let the Gentlemen on the opposite ,;_perP,o
the people of Manchester, or ern, :id of
who, like them, held such opinion!, ‘ol...aer.",er
revenue of these expences" woolt-Ihee'etel
1)
purchase them a breakfast, Tert.' 43
abolition of all the sinecures that eN''4eiegj•ei
~ lea
provide them with a pair of shve-
any other comforts. An H0n...9f?A.1.0'0,00'
Lamb) had said, that one: i'049,-;;01;
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, fog for as inquiry, arose f;ria c°l"

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ti„atrates,could corne,ont of it free from
A "e and with honour. Did any man ever go to
it and Jury with a charge of rape or murder,
1;lri no other grounds than that he believed the
tE,llOn - • Iwould out of his trial
. nnocent, ant come
ao.d unhurt 'l—(A laugh.)—lt had been said
ofst the Prince Regent, acting tinder the advice
" Majesty's Ministers, had thanked the Yen-
delve, of Manchester for sabreing and cutting
athe people. This was not true. The Prince
eal gent had thanked them for dispersing the peo-
es. great blame had also been cast on the Royal
`eelt for having omitted all expression of re-
• et at the lives which had been lost at Man-
el"er. No blame, however, was to be attach-
,,,e(ln this account ; and he would tell them why
atltz would have been a proof of bad taste in his
:"J'sty't I'dinisters to have admitted any expres-
. of that kind into the Speech from
; for who could seriously question that his
y, the father of his people, did not regret
of every life that occurred ?—(A laugh )
• `"' G I • lalluded
On. is eman, cone esion,
the dismissal of Lord Fitewilliatn, for which
enifiended Ministers were entitled to the thanks
tt
`vet3. honest man.
ikla
th. • Wuoseateoeee rose, he said, solely for
purpose of correcting a misinterpretation
sllecu had been given to what he had said re-
"ing the intention of the mob to set fire to
to town of Manchester. He had never said that
lst 0
s" lime of the Meeting of the 16th of August
ti's, there existed any such intention. The pre-
kil,ernearsing of what had fallen front him on that
Oect was as follows : that havtnt been on the
rnruittee on the State of the Nation for the
h"1. 1817, he had means of ascertaining, that it
"at that period a part of the plan of the Meet-
:44 which took place at Manchester two years
• , to wait the corning of evening to set. fire to
ie tow') in three or four different parts, and to
il r
qt by the contusion which would thereby en-
effect their objects of rapine and plunder,
Ctrl in the hopes that it might otherwise fa-
""r their views. To this he had added, that
}Ne Magistrates, bearing this in their remem-
ef t Ice, had done right to take every measure
Piecatition upon a meeting of the same de-
, llPtiop persons again taking place. The
11.:,4ntry owed so much to its Magistrates, whose
,ttl4l, character had in all times, hitherto, tend-
s,. 3.1 much to give respect and submission
Ike laws, that lie would not, excepting under
imperious, urgent, and immediate necessity,
vo e to the adoption of any measure which
ag to bling then into disrepute. Under every
tie w, !lee vt hole matter would he more
(.;::)Perly investigated under the jurisdiction of the
L "Hs 44 Law, where the truth would he de:T-
ail" Icy means of evideuce on oath, and justice
to io all parties, whilst, at the same time, it
tl
1"(1 he a mettliS of drawing the admiration ot
Public on that same body, which, by follow.
the mode proposed, of instituting an inquiry
ttF
that House, would throw them under the sus.
i,• 10t1 and censure of the country. He admitted
was desirable that the people should he taught
,:'loolt up to that House for a redress of their
"ittleaanees of all kinds ; hot the course which
demanded in the present instance was most
Prabensible. Fle could have wished that there
0,1
b heen inserted in the Address semething ex-
tui:essive of their anxiety as to whether it were
1: Possible to alleviate the sufferings of the
t'l-c'Ple, and lessen the pressure of their bur-
aele,"is• On this pressing subject it was most sin.
a,;•'''Y to he wished that all parties in that House
tdd unite their endeavours to the same end.—
r,isit‘Y, he was aware, in a tree country like this,
ust exist, but he was a decided enemy to party,
II• (' he really thought that every man in that
",'tse had the good of his country at heart. It
41,
ISt uteloobiedly be allowed, on all hands, that
t~'inierfertnce of Parliament was loudly called
11., 10 order to raise a barrier against those con-
:gtous doctrines which have of late shown them-
b-e4es, whose aim is the corruption of all princi-
i,"' "tel the total subversion of our most sacred
itetions. Our religion has been openly at-
-4e14,1, and that too not ill any slight way.—
1t has not been against any particular mode of
Qrsbip that these attacks have been directed,
lt,!I against the most tendamental principles, on
"ith the very columns of society rest. When
Rt
censider all that has been done to effect this,
• become us to think of a remedy for so
▪ an evil, by the application of which we may
tirtte succeed in bringing back the whale of the
1:11)01ation to the practice of that religion from
r. kit they have always derived happiness and
-`)lnfort.
L"rd STANLEY rose for the purpose of making
'l)the ohservatious, which tended to vindicate the
t
'arttcters of many persons of respectability and
di
whose names had been brought into
ici,whe notice 3s implicated in the late affairs at
"nchester. 'Tice Noble Lord passed the warmest
tai .
'•
loons on the high honour and integrity of
L meinhers of the Grand Jury of the county of
"easter, of which he had the honour of being
nairne "' I le n .(1 in severe terms, the
an, ow eon(
uolL(lnCt of a certain Judge (Baron Wood), who,
in the Bench, had gone So far as to censure that
C'raittl Jury. There was nothing, he said, that
4"10 warrant such a proceeding, under the cir-
t-,"lnstences of the case. How, he would ask,
that Judee know that all the evidence which
j Oiciteil by him, had been laid beforethe Grand
Was it, be,:.idea, to be supposed that they
Nel'e as able as himself, who had grown old, and
;.attised in the profession, to extract the truth i
(I", witnesses with equal ability. There was not
iithttnber of the Grand Jury, he could assure the
„uuse, that would depart tram the dictates of his
,!tease
been unable to address the
"nse On the two former nigh s, he felt himself
ea,e
tit u upon to employ the present opportunity in
.p 1• "111 a: his reasons for votieg for the Amendment.
e information which he continued to receive
1)1,11,. ve.tictis quarters, confirmed him more and
t;1 his opinion that inquiry ought to be
:,:es`"--N•e but that he was convinced there was
tt " oi-Llaspliemy and disaffection in the coon-
eught to be put down, and which was
aelseicuous in his own county, rising to
bordering on rebellion.—He could
-')-tee with an Hooourable Gentleman who
iiigniatized what he is pleased to call
AIM:L-6mpg harshness of the Amendmoot,

itt ifs:commenqiag words." lie conceived it be
the duty of the House. to institute inquiry, where"
the lives of the people trete endangered. The
Noble Lord having briefly noticed some of the
promitaent pointa of discussion in the Manchester
business, proceeded to remark that much stress
having been laid both within and without tire
Houses: on the circumstance of the sahres of the
Yeomanry having been sharpened, w bh a view,_
as was said, to the meeting, he would beg leave
to state what had come to his knowledge oil that
subject. He then read parts of letter which,
among others, he had received how Capt. Bur-
leigh, of the above-mentioned corps, which stated,
that it any blame was to ba imputed to the Ye°.
marry on the score of their sharpened sabres, it
ought all to fall upon him ; for being one day
(hill, he observed one of his men make use of his
sabre for the purpose of sarewing tighter some
part of his pistol, and, as this naturally led no»
to an examination of the pisiols anti swords of the
corps, he had been induced, on finding them to
be in a very unserviceable state, to order ahem all
to he carried to a
•- Susi, b pot in order
(Hear, hear !)—This, it was to he remarked, took
place on the lOth of July, and the order for at -
tending the Magistrates was riot received till the
13th of August following. On the day of the
meeting, he continued, no charge whatever was
made, in the manner mentioned;—tire coups ad-
vanced six abreast throogh an avenue made up to
the hustings by the special constables. In con-
sequence. however, of the wagzon having moved
on observing the approach 14' the cavalry t.)-
wards it, the line of special constables was broker,
before it united with the hostins. 'fire mob
at first gave way to the military, • leaving
a space clear for them to {sass a• before, but, as
soon as the first litre had passed, the crowd closed
in upon theta, thus cutting them off from their
companions, and itninediarely commencing to
assail them with bri.ck-bats and other missile wea-
pons, it was not till finding themselves •hus at-
tacked that they faced 'shoal to defend themselves.
The letter wept on to remark, that in ttitling the
constables to gel po,,session of the flags, it vvas
possible that the Yeomen might have inflicted
some accidental cuts, as they aimed at cutting in
two the poles to which the harmers were affixed,
%I/bleb was strongly resisted by the bearers of them.
The Noble Lord added, th ,t from bit persOnai.
knowledge of the writer of the letter, from which
he !sad read this Monorail/or, he could affirm
that he was incapable of stating. any thing but
what was rigidly consistent with troth ;
(Hear, hear, hear !)—and his mild dispositiuor
and becoming deportment, on all occasions, was
an ackuowledg, d fact by all who hirers? him
Manchester. With regard to his own behavionr.
in the scene of the 16th of August, he assured
him in his letter, that he did not strove Iris sabre
from his shoulder, except to- direct his men to
assist two old woolen, who were ii a perilons
situation, from their proximity to the horses ; and
this said the Noble Lord, is that Burleigh, whose
fiance has been so traduced its ever yaecesrunt that
has yet been given of these transactions. Froth
other information which be possessed, lee could
also elucidate some part of the conduct of the
Magistrates on that occasion, who only gave their
charge to the militiAry at the moment they saw re-
sisianee and assault made on the first rank of the
yeomanry. It was when this was seen by
the Magistrates, that they gave authority to
Captain Burleigh and his friends to act,
and the nature of that resistance may he
guessed at, when Colonel L'Estrange called
out,—" For God's sake save the Yeomanry."
It was also incorrect to say, that there was no
avenue by which the meeting could disperse, but
by that through which the cavalry advanced.
Peter-street, a large and open street, was open to
them, and there was no cavalry coming that way.
There were also many minor streets open to them,
as well as by lanes. Having thus stated some
facts, he would refrain from giving an opinion
upon them, because he. was as yet but partially
informed of the whole. A general inquiry was
very desirable. The Noble Lord opposite, he ad-
ded, had a statement of facts, which were ktiown
to pone but himself, and which, therefore, he
could not take for granted. lie thought it doe
to the Magistrates themselves, to set an Emptily
on foot ; for he had too high an opinion of them
to think they would have taken the steps ttiey
did, if the Meeting had not been illegal. He
would prefer the Courts of Law for proceeding
in, and he agreed entirely with those who say
they were the most proper places, because no
other than parole evidenca could he received at
the bar of the House. ['he example of Coventry
had been pointed out, because in that case a rule
for a criminal information had been granted in
the King's Bench. But this was not precisely the
sane, for in that case no lives were lost, and it
was very doubtful if the Court of King's Bench
would attend to an application for a criminal in-
formation where a charge of felony was likely to
arise. One tiring, however, was certain, that the
call for inquiry was general from all parts of the
country; and it was the duty of the House, by
taking early and vigorous steps to re-assure the
people, and inspire them with a coofidence that
any violation of their rights was trot overlooked,
and that the Magistrates, if they acted wrong,
would trot be protected front public exposure.—
(Hear, hear !)
Mr. Piatitms said a few words in explanation
of what had fallen from him in the former debate.
Lord CASTLEREAGII, after disclaiming all inten-
tion of following the Noble Lord who had just sat
down, in the detail of the circumstances of the
meetiog, congratulated the House fir having now
from a source not likely to be prejudiced in favour
of Ministers, an affirmation of the statements al-
ready made by Ministers.—(llear, bear I)—He
commended that Noble Lord for that high sense
of public duty which prompted hint to disclose
those facts ; and he trusted- it would have the
effect of throwing back upon the calumniators
that odium, which they had endeavoured to
fix upon the Magistrates of Manchester—(l-lear !)
He then reviewed a very few of the facts,
anti commented upon the character given them
by • the Noble Lord ; from which he was at
liberty to assert, that the Yeomanry did
not interfere until the constables were una•
hie •to execune their warrant. In doing this,
they act with all possible mildness, and Captain

Burieigh himself endeavoured to extricate a wornsn
from a situation which. her sex ought to have 1
avoided. The people again become aggressors, and
when they had separated one column of the Yen-
worry from the main body they attacked that.—
The Noble Lord, he added, had dissipated another
illusion regarding the streets b.eing all closed up
except that by which the Cavalry came. That
was mitnifestly false, for he (Lord C.) had it from
one of the Magistrates, having particularly asked
him the question, that the Cavalry were -drawn
from the other side of the square, purposely to
make way for the people to disperse.--f hear,
hear !)—He thought the misrepresentation of this
fact very cri!oittal, as it could have no otherob-
ject than to alarm the loyal people in that neigh-
bourhood. The truth was, the peo,le were in no
disposition to disperse, and so great was the peril
of the Yeomanry, that the Magistrates, who were
witnesses to it, were obliged to dill in a sopporr-
ing force. He trus7ed the country would soon
see the real nature of the proceedings at that
meeting ; and he would once more ask the House
what there was unconstitutional in ordering as-
sistance to the Yeomanry in the perilous situ-
ations to which they were. He was always in-
chned to make some allowance far the colour-
ing given to these facts from prejudice, and
tits made him look to the impression, which,
reading the debates iii Parliament, and parti-
cularly the Noble Lotti's speech that ;tight, on
the public mind, with some pleasute. The
Noble Lord did not staiid in the same Si •n-
-anon with regard to the country, as Ministers did,
towards how there was more o' less jealowl ;
and his stn ement should therefore have the more
weight. Justice WBS SOO!) at length likely to be
done to the Magistrates, who had been altogether
treated very uncandidly. Why were, not these
Gentlemen entitled to the presumption which
every one claims by the Engit:th law, that they
were innocent until they were found to be guilty ?
All he claimed for them from the House, was a
suspension of judgment until there was evidence
to convict. It would then appear how ottfailly
they had been dealt with, and that the motives
which induced there Magistrates, tinder circum-
stances of great difficulty, to put themselves for-
ward, solely for the safety of the couotry, and the
preservation of the peace, had been must invi-
dions!v misrepresented.—(Hear, h.olr !)
1-011 STANLEY, in eXplattiation, said, lie appre•
hendad the Noble Lord (Castlereagh) had used his
statements whet treely.—So far es he- bait ven-
tured to give an opinion, it VV.IS true the view he
took was in a great measure the same as the Noble
Lorti's. But when he cane to speak of ;he colt,
duct of the Yeomanry Cavalry, ur on which he
gave no opiniott at ail, he asserted then, and re.
peated now, that tie only read the statement of a
rrson who was a yeoman himself.—He had in-
deed added, that the individual was knoTyn to
him ; that lie had a great respect for hit», and
that he entirely believed all he said. At the same
time, he wished the Noble Lord to understand-)
that lie did nut mean to identify himself with that
ass the narrator of the facts.
Lord CASTLEREAGH gave the Noble Lord credit
for the caution and candour with ,which he had
condurted himsdi all through. He observed, that
no one who was not an eve witness could pledee
himself to any opinion ; he could only reason front
facts afforded by others.
Mr. J. P. GRANT Said be would reserve himself
to give an opinion on a lii tire occasion: but
could not help saying, that it Otis tor the ii“,:rests
of the Magistrates to hate an int:pity as stein as
possible, and to acquit themselves of the presump-
tion which now lay against them of being guilty.
Mr. BeNNET observed, that all that had been
;Hated respecting the Yeomanry this evenine,
rested on the assertions of the Captain or that
corps itself, whilst a directly opposite stivement
hail been made on craft, before the Inquest at
Oldham, and here were ten contradictions, On
tiath, to almost every aseettion that hail been
made of this description. .
Mr. B. BATHURST adverted to the great import-
ance which the attestation of Captain Burleigh,
who was an eye-witness to the transactions at
Manchester, possessed. It was, he contended,
complete justification of the Magistrates, as it
proved that•they had not called in the military
, until it was seen the constables were unable to
execute the warrant.

Mr. BARING, said, that if there was one thing
snore than another, which pointed out the neces-
sity of some inquiry, it was the debare which had
arisen front the Irttormation which bad been fur-
nished by the Noble Lotd —(Hear !)—He was
convinced„ in his own mind, that the Magistrates
and Yeomanly might, on the event of Pn inquity,
clear themselves of the charge of cruelty, but tie
would not say of that of gross neglect. As the
Magistrates were aware the day before that the
projected meeting wits illegal, they might have
prevented its taking place by stopping the differ-
ent divisions as they cane into the town, instead
of waiting till 40,000 or 50,000 were assembled
together. They were aware of the trepidation of
the loyal inhabitants, for nothing was more fa,al
than mob persecution.—(Hear. hear 1)—If those
tom ultuary meetings were allowed to go on for
another twelvemonth, they would occasion the
destruction, not only of property, but of our ma-
nufactures. Because certain individuals might be
tried elsewhere, he did not see that that was any
reason why a Parliamentary Inquiry should not
take place, when matters of such importance were
in question.
Lord CoMPToN conceived that inquiry could not
well be gone into by the House no this subject.
It could be only by a Committee of the whole
House, a Committee up stairs, or a direction to
his Majesty's Law-officers to prosecute, none of
which methods could he efficient, or ought to be
adopted. With respect to the thanks to the Ma-
gistrates, be maintained that Government could
not have acted otherwise. The Magistrates were
public functionaries, and Ministers were bound to
receive their report as tine till it was proved to be
false. If the case was such as the Magistrates
represented it, Ministers were right in thanking
them ; if wrong, those thanks would not prevent
Ministers from taking measures nlainst them af-
terwards. As to the dismissal of Earl Fitzwil-
ham, it appeared to him to afford no reasonable
ground of complaint. A Lord Lieutenant was
not only the servant of the Ctown, but olio a ocr-

vant of Aiinisters. It r;as not of course necessary
that be should be a courtier, or übscribe -to thy
opinions of those under whom tie acted ; but
though he might have a right to demand an au-
dience of the Crown, and declare that Minisrera
were acting in the wrong, he had no right to go
to a public meeting under such citcurnstaticcs as
bad been done in this instance..

Mr. HUME thought some of the remarks which
bad been made were founded on a misrepresenta-
tion of what bad fallen-from him, which misre-
presentation, however, he had not seen.
V. BLAKE spoke from under the Gallery,
amidst sonic noise, in defence of the Address.
lie sail, that the objvct of the Gentlemen on the
Opposition side was power ! No matter by what
means they acgoired power ! Now, for the sake
of this, they had delivered themselves into the
hands of the Itadie'als. Tiity had made a vain en-
deavour to separate themselves horn that body,
but it would not do; the impression was gone
abroad, and they most sons sink into insignifi-
cance and oblivion.----(A laugh ! and cries of
Qaesrion.") _ _

The Report was then agreed to, and the Ad-
dress wets ordered to he resealed by the whole
House, arid such Membtrs of the House as were
Members of the Council, were ordered to
wait on the Prince Regent to know when he
would be pleased to recrive the Address.
Lord CASTLE CASTLEREAGH intimated, tliat it would be
desirable that the House should meet to-morrow,
for the purpose of carrying up the Address, it it
should he the pleasure of his Roy4l Highness the
Prince Itcgrot then to receive it.—Adjouroeti.

LAZY IN I ELLItiENCE.

COCR OF KING'S BENCH, Nov. 46.

COMBINATION.
THE XING V. CONNELL.

11,e defetiditrit appeared again this day to re-
ceive iiidgtnent, convicted of a combination with
the ionrneymen coach-makers to compel the
masters to inclease their wages, and con-ei,t
to
ilea orKnoements which they considered beneficial
to the wolkinen.

Mr DtiNmm; read slie affidavit of the defendant,
stating thsf the combination since the tricd bad
bcen bithdoned.

The Coot t, taking into consideration the injury
the public might sustain by conspiracy and com-
binations of this description, as well as the cir.
ciiinstances Itt tn'Hgaiinn of punishment, stn.
tented ihr defendant io pay a fine of 50W. to the
King, and to be imprinoned one year in the House
of Correction.