The Sun.
London, England, 1844-02-21 00:00:00

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Mr. Fitzgibbon the Crown sessional proseee ,
was a Roman datbolic, bat a gentleman who hsasee.,i,
interfered in polities and who was most sacc.c louf
eminent in his profession. He was a natr"„..itio
county, and his talents were admitted, but the
had been given to a gentleman from a disten et'eot
and who was not a Roman Catholic.—(lleac' et
There was an .instance, and. he could mention all
Ott'
but that he did not like to travel out of his olva
Lie thought the educational system ought te; ter,
tended, but before it could be productive of muci:fiej,;
fit, the people must be fed. Education and fa
not travel together. Agricultural societies wtesociel!
much to improve the condition of the country. J'eb,,tt!
of this; nature had been established in .Ballinaslo
ctio
Marquis of Clanricarde, which had been -I°.endoe
very
_great benefit. He thought that cattao.l
ments should be legalised, whether made hY LasdlP!'
or Protestants. Allusion had been made to the ,0,500'
and Tenant Commission. He hoped that thctu fessi
sion would shortly conclude its labours, as eicol.t!
very exaggerated opinions would .be enter; respr;
garding the results it would effect. IC9w, Avvittiatt ;13:t
to the elective franchise, he sincerely hoped iselo-et
under the name of extending the Irish franc !
not in reality diminish it, and thus add to toe 0
antes of the country. Provision should be._
that Bill so as to enable the Roman Catholic clivirni, I
vote at elections as pastor:. It was very ge,•os t..
them to see the Protestant clergy going to lTistitl':
vote against their interest, whilst that which ha,`:f chef'',
them to qualify had been spent in the erection
ftheJ
and administering to the temporal wants , 1;01,
rishioners. Now, regarding the oath taken L'Xt (k)4
Catholics, the Noble Lord who had alluded toys oje
Stanley) had done so in a very ungenerous e.l(re of th.,
manner. When that Noble Lord was on this si estrrlci
House and Captain Gordon attacked Watt bie
Members, much in the same strain that the i‘e 05110
had done, the Noble Lord reproved the f itoot
officer; but it appeared that the consciences °the 10'
Catholic Members were to be measured Vote Pe
meter of the Noble Lord's political feeling& Chlri:l4
Gentleman then quoted from a speech of Sll.Dgereen,
Wetherell, in which that Hon. and
that O'
Gentleman had expressed an opinion Odes
man Catholics were entitled to a vote 0-11 PLip
propriatiA of Church property, as well as °t:d, c`,Ai••
Members, and all the casuists in Oxford, he said,
not prove the contrary. He was sorry to see_orel;
cussions that had taken place. Ireland los ;pre'
battle field, and her real condition was not ccaisgli
Ireland was thought as little of by the cent° 5.
ties, as 'Waterloo had been .by the rival arieh'eeol;
wished that party spirit could be merged ie told Oil
&ration. of what should be done for Ireland,
COrtiisll,/
Englishmen, Irishmen, and Scotchmen weuld Ober'
unite as subjects of the same Crown in -the tie;
spirit of Christian charity, and with a noble of
ous emulation, endeavour to promote the tbs!,l,
three parts of the empire. He had no d°oosP,'o",
they entered on the state of Ireland in .the
13„111lili
the condition of that country - would be ,sruossi.
proved.—(Lond cheers from Beth sides of the t t
Sir WALTER JAMES expressed his Ile e 0
fled approbation of the mild and Christian" Sat e°l:s
in which the Hon. Gentleman who had Ptah rein
had delivered his sentiments. It was with but' It
tance he took a part in this prolonged deha'en' hest
presenting as he did an English seaport to,lglit tot
bound to express his opinions briefly. Heat t'the tes4
if Catholic Emancipation had been carried , soli ',5
the union, they would not have experienee"Gentletso
culty in the government of Ireland. 00„0.thel3e°:te'l
opposite seemed to try to prove that a," 000• t
eiov;,ho
which had been conferred upon Ireland, eedothigs,
tc
from the Whigs. Was it, he would ask, the., tne,(11::
carried Catholic Emancipation ? No ; but Pe'
and 103 •
filch that Conservative child from its parelit'a Ole 10
up with their vile democratic prejudices,,se ect
Radical education.—(Laughter.) With retistier.,l-15
speech of the Noble Lord the Member for --a
he felt bound to say that it was not delivere yrtl liCtd
the same party spirit as that of the i,OO lied
opened the debate. He believed the Neblaioesuet'o
whom he first alluded had expressed his el)'
h
convictions with the utmost sincerity. 'OOllll
made' a charge against her Majesty's Gr°cc,--eccar,-Ite'P
Ireland was at present in a state of P-,00
But what had this done to that count:J
of harm it had done good, for the army hot, „ac"osltrlla
great deal of money there, and the best and P"'„,ple• 1)1
feelings existed between them and the P—d k 3;
thought the great cause of misery to ROO • the
sbhe t
total want of capital for the furtherance of P
sis 1,,/ir
and if Government were to expend large else fps
construction of railways they would be mererrish esiotJ,
pensated by the increased prosity of the i-et• Ire.,
Another great cause of the degraded state 1,00 is
was that they were deserted by their absentsl esetsji•
to whom they ought to look for advice and, ivh‘ ids
and left solely to the guidance of their Priest 0' tea 'lob'
quently used their influence for the most bii cob
tri,
He was so much attached to the principle °hie coo 04
ments, as necessary to the well-being; of tre rely file
that he would rather see the Roman Cattle, oat to
established in. Ireland than no religion at eh' tle so
'that to I ft
would ever venture on such an outrage es oh frie•
people of England? He could not blind hire the ttie
fact that there was great dislike amoagsit that' tits:
people to the Protestants ; but he believe" )
two religions in Ireland were to bee°,%;oos,',te
of equality, it would only tend to cuedin e'lP'esiw is
mosities. Two stars could not exist in the
and two religions could not exist- upon anen"the N be
Ireland. He should not oppose an increase
th,
annually made to the College of Mayee„°"theP,i rl3
would be glad to see the Government take UP .01‘
sition of the Noble Lord the Member for Nelso• for
John Manners) with respect to the Mortetasuresptt;
was willing to support any conciliatory. of the o,lo'
Ireland consistent with the maintenane'
ole oflrbjee;
blished Church. He would give the r- -had ae °ea
civil equality and civil indulgences. ge, O. elleet, er°'
.tion to the Roman Catholic bishops being ea WI the
have titles, but if such indulgence were en. sho itoid
it should be given with the understantumbthef
bishops engaged in any political agitation,
sent'„,l
mmediately be deprived of their titles. foot'
Mr. E. BULLER said that if any aeuseda be
0,',010
ing for his then addressing the House, it wade !„"htlir
in the charge so often and so unjustlY to 01'1
independent Members, of being indifferent loot to
his
pinesss and prosperity of Ireland. With rthrst, 0,4.
state of Ireland last year, he must say • 050 te ot
opinion, the Government had been justified 111 h Ife°,
constitutional means to put a stop to °Co regositil':
things. He had no doubt that the extrtil's OP,Phst
the speeches which were delivered upon,,t, ose I,'"oeq-
•
side of the House must convince the P,ehe )1,14.0.?"
whole weight of argument was againstil: 1. to frtseet"
The agitation which arose was owing, eitffc,
gligence of Government in not suppress'lciTtetie'oce„;
ings, which were seditious, or their Illise°,ll Qee Otto° t
them up to a state of sedition,which woula,lll-respecA" nO
for the employment of military force. Wiw be- 'Cots;
Clontarf meeting, he could only say that 1. Peoleen
nv
blame the Government for preventing /00ercsa
plairied 'only of the manner in which thent,3o Aiii
.had chosen to prevent it.'.. The Govercers"he lid
enormous risk of blood aud. slaughter.--k that se ti
respect to the trials, .be...WOilld only a3P 4s. tl°
not think there was 'any intentional unf4idrl:l+ 1)°of th,O
not think that the unfairness • was inten,,, lace said. 114
there was unfairness, 'was clear upon this sva;
whole proceedings.—(Hear, hear.) Bet It of t`l" r
the other aide of the House, that the retear, th
had been to restore peace in Ireland.--4;
laughter.) He would appealto the lirles Moiestirod?,l
measures suggested, not proposed, bY Ire orisiste
vernment would do much to• trans et id. ;
(Hear, hear.) He wished. they. W°llt. to c°,4 tiL
that they would do all in then' Pr lie witje t'Veb
the two nations.--(Hear, and cheer 9-) the Peery/0
something should be done to re-unite • &wed
establishment, which was by force en 1111" (the ci
wealth which their forefathers had give, area °srcteg,
in its power only as an insult to the c • bo
who had endowed it.—(Cheers.) C°111(1„,-itto tb,se
that the Irish people should be attae77 P'te
blished Church nnder such circumstagee_rtialitY.oibte
that if they were willing to act with iniPtheir sift;
Catholic people of Ireland, and tom ekeeive, It,flioit tjj,
truly Christian ministers, apostles of ~eOP ,
porters-of the lawful Government, they u.„..,;th the int e;
_whole people of -Ireland to equal rights "la ACCe'ret
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of England. As an Englishman he oe
old as 01
less—if ho were an Irishman, be w for stie
s
(Hear, hear.) t tree tot°so6
Mr. LASCELLES said he would nor, to std
length of time, but he was anxious briefly' his I rj, 00,
House the grounds on which he shouldr,„Toble ott
the view he took of the motion of tb 'o'; for Ord hie
Member for London. He could net_ icehle iit'he et e
tion. He could not forget that the take forto
to eo
self, when in power, was not preparedcod•
which he now required his succesisloeraso_Ainsehnf
plo:e
government of Ireland—(Hear,coo el
not but think that he suggested on se ort
inF
rather because he was in oppositiTt
had heebissra.
their goodness and propriety. ,_ „over „ace ~,
that Government maintained itself rho
up old passions, and adrninisterinF t. noeity_4ol',
This rtot coal
the Protestant party in Ireland.
the Fret° der rice
vied. W her they found how a
_ed Under
tion of that country had been resetrtroglit ites„.tstela.
stances of great provocation,
h he excellenc jou'otit.ol:
undeniable evidence, not only of t „ad Ailthl.o,
judicious sea the 1,,
intentions, but of the
cdomutrsiet pwuarss
most
tbyn unjust
tGtno vcehranrmgee7ar i.vitlcist_oc,i)tetoo ttii;
disereet expressions of indiscreet 11,1,7ith resrrnale
Government itself.—(Hear, hear). the Gore c
0, id tsbo,
prosecutions, it was his opiniono.th
,110 they 5
_riiry
sincerely wished to put down abiteni, was
aaeent hart
no other course than they had done.i_ e „
_rap 0 4.oip,
some of the speakers on behalf of the p.otlroti
not been more explicit in their st and land inn;o
to their
piainlY„ces °joy
them deceive the people as
(Cheers)—but on the contrary, see`
i their griev.7 thernthe
fully to them ; tell them a bate
_ reolos ,
.be the Government will not attempt It ht
'rras sal lAO'lO.l
.) ht e fic,
a repeal of the union.—(Cheet-te•a_ tsigen_rtat.o,e,
opponents of the Government,t_ne t t_n'eiott
,!7118.
~
nthfeleum-oubl,d,
tbhieitltihisaht,stuheaht
washedy jleouslliisC°t' custehlaut
over that country. But he
m•
oved
daiti dn_hmeorrw answs,atthisefi esdamtheats,,Tivkd: *c_rnitt:tteleble:Glo7°O*lle belurece'rrtlal:':oi
up as now. Therefore, he could join in the
disc°th°
tneantaionnesetharnoldvnrueppoundltahten Gtobse-enritinibeynt;ohtng,tiagaile
bliasat,the.ote:
motion of the Noble Lord
many occasions in which he could
e,
with.
0..,,ht it
given by the party he usually. t
(Russelill)o.t
vin bittotitihee
act „e, he th oufin Order
nieipal Corporations Bill, for ins a _
_ver,tee.
crept
duty to give his vote with the then t-1..1d baet,tia (1,0
to remove the evils which it was 1"`" t they' `4-", la 5
wha os) less'
those institutions. But it was not .
_foie _
but the spirit in which it was
done rei • souse Aft
the Irish Registiation Bill i °°1-1"-is viva'
back) to which A$ lot he lad gicom