The Sun.
London, England, 1845-05-23 00:00:00

EDINBURGH AND HAWICK RAILWAY.

Sir W. RIDDELL said he appeared for two-proprietors against
the proposed line, and also against the preamble of the Bill. The
objections which he took were as to the expense of the line, which
would be nearer 600,0001. than 400,000/., as estimated. There
would not be the traffic on it which was estimated ; and there
were gradients and reverse curves, which rendered it a more un.
safe line.

The following evidence was then called against the Bill :
Mr. J. F. Dundas, C E., examined by Sir WALTER RIDDELL—
lam in the habit of making plans and sections of railways.

made sections of the line now before the Committee. I commenced
my examination at the works north of the Tweed, at the crossing of
the Tweed. I examined for the purpose of testing the plans. The
plans deposited varied from the estimatee of the line considerably.
I ran two courses of level, and I found very considerable differences
of level from what was represented. In one place I found a differ.
ence of 15 feet near the parish road, at the crossing of the Tweed.
Near Galla the form of ground is very different from what appears
in the section. The variation in the first cutting showed a dif-
ference of 96,713 cubic yards between the sections made and those
which I made; the second a difference of 112,553 cubic yards ;
the third, a difference of 56,436; the fourth, 99,667; the sixth,
58,877. More to the north towards Edinburgh, at the south-end
of the tunnel, there was a difference of 144,055 ; at the north-end
of the tunnel 5,350 ; at the great embankment there was a diffe-
rence of 41,004 ; at the village of Growbridge a difference
of 20,834 ; and there was in another place a difference of
13,336 cubic yards ; making on the whole a difference of 648,825
cubic yards in the cuttings. The difference of expense is
40,0001. The whole cost of the line was estimated at
400,000/. I think that is 200,000/. too small. The
witness then stated in detail his calculation of the expenses.
I have seen the gradients on the line. There are reversed turn.
ings on an incline oft in 75. That would not be safe. The ne-
cessity of an assistant engine would increase the danger. If there
was a double line the estimate would be of course considerably in-
creased. I think it would be unsafe to go at the rate of twenty-
five miles an hour on this curved part of the line.
The witness was cross-examined at great length by Mr. M‘Netra.

Group DD.

TIIE CALEDONIAN, AND THE GLASGOW, DUMFRIES

AND CARLISLE RAILWAYS.

The adjourned Committee met this morning at half-past eleven,
and soon after proceeded to business.
The examination of witnesses to prove the traffic tables was re-
sumed by Sir THOMAS PHILLIPS calling
Mr. Hunter, farmer, near Dumfries—He said; he was well
acquainted with the cattle trade of Scotland, and par.
titularly ;with lean cattle.; The: whole of his cattle were ob_
tained from the north, and were usually sent to the Falkirk market
to be disposed of. He could corroborate the opinion of Mr.
M'Adam that it was not likely, except under extraordinary circum.
stances, that the lean cattle and sheep would be transmitted by railway.
If the beasts were to be sent by railway, the line through Dum-
fries would certainly be the most convenient one; but he would
still adhere to his former opinion, that it was not at all probable
that the cattle would travel by that means of conveyance. Of
those that were driven southward, he was certain none
would go by railway. The number of cattle and sheep
that were annually exposed for sale at the October tryst at
Falkirk was about seventy thousand; of these, probably,
a few might be conveyed on the rails, but only when the weather
was very bad, or that they were not in a proper condition for
travelling on foot. He had inspected the trail:lc-tables that had
been put in by the promoters of the Caledonian scheme, and con.
sidered that the items of cattle and sheep had been grossly ex.
aggerated.

Mr. Laurie, farmer, Kircudbrightshire,said he had been a farmer
28 years, and had considerable experience in agricultural matters.
He could confirm the evidence of Mr. M'Adam as to the estimates
of fat cattle going into England. He had inspected the traffic
tables of the Dumfries line, and it was only reasonable to expect
that at least 18,000 head of cattle would be sent away; in fact, the
estimate in his opinion was rather below than above the mark. All
the fat cattle would be conveyed by railway. He had directed his
attention to the localities where potatoes were produced, through
which the Caledonian line was intended to pass. The quantity of
potatoes that would be produced in these districts was 2,458 tons,
and this was the largest quantity that it was likely would be sent
out of the country.
At the conclusion of the examination of the last witness,
The CHAIRMAN said that he had just received a communication
addressed to him in his capacity of Chairman of the Committee on
the Caledonian scheme. The letter evidently contained an ex party
statement, and he considered such communications highly repre-
hensible. He would wish to have the occurrence made publicly
known, but would refrain from mentioning the name of the party
from whom the letter came. The Hon. Gentleman then tore it in
pieces, and said he considered that was the only way In which
similar communications addressed to the Chairmen of Railway
Committees ought to be treated.

Mr. Payne, flesher, at Dumfries, was then examined—lie stated
there were very few cattle to be had in Dumfries, and he
was obliged to go round to the different farms in the neigh.
bourhood to buy then up. The number of cattle and
sheep that were annually fattened in the valley of
the Nith amounted in sheep, including lambs, to 57,480, and in
cattle to 1,570 ; of sheep 50,000, and of cattle 1,000, were gene.
rally sent south The witness concurred in the opinion that the
Dumfries line would be a great convenience for the conveyance of
fat cattle.

Mr. Cleddis, mining engineer, was next called.—He deposed
that he had been employed by the Duke of Buccleuch, the Duke
of Portland, and other extensive mineral proprietors, and from the
information he had derived from that and other sources he was fully
capable to give an opinion on the mineral districts of almost the
entire of Scotland.

(LEFT SITTING.)

Group L.

GUILDFORD, CHICHESTER, AND PORTSMOUTH

It AILWAY.

The Committee resumed this morning the consideration of the
South_ Western Railway project.

Mr. Pardoe, the second in authority in Portsmouth Dockyard,
stated his conviction that the approach to Portsmouth by this line
%tuuld be more advantageous than the other hue for the purposes of
the dockyar4l.

The Rev. John Burrell, rector of Portsea, stated that the ter-
minus, though at the extremity of Portsmouth, was centrically
situated with respect to the several portions of Which the whole
town consisted.—To the cross-examination of Mr. Rawlinson, Mr.
Burrell said that the greater part of the traffic had heretofore gone
by way of Petersfield and Codalining to London. Part of it went
coastwise by Little Hampton, Shoreham, and Brighton. He could
not say exactly what was the relative proportion of his property
which would be taken by either railway, both railways pass-
ing through his property; but the South. Western Com-
pany certainly took j imore tha❑ the atmospheric com-
pany. To the question as to whether he was anxious
that the Company should purchase the property which
they proposed to take, he replied that it was not a fair inquiry and
refused to answer it. To another inquiry, Mr. Burrell replied,
that he was not cognizant of the fact, that Southampton had In-
jured Portsmouth since the formation of the railway to the latter
place.

To the re-examination of Mr. GURNEY, the witness replied that
he had heard that the South-Western Company had offered a branch
to Portsmouth, which had been refused. He had travelled fre-
quently through the country of the proposed atmospheric line, and
knew the whole of it, though unable to state precisely what was

ad
, the population ofthe several parishes through which it pass-. The
line of the South- Westtrn Compa.iy would injure one of his faro'
snore than any other.
Mr. B. Bramble, a surveyor, and a member of the Tosvn Coun-
cil, stated that he was aware that the South-Western Cores?!
had, some years ago, offered a terminus to Portrm:uth, before the
line to Southampton was completed.
At this point f the proceedings d tbst
Mr. OSW o ALD, M.P., one of the Committee, observed g
there was a difference on the maps on the table. tld
which he had before him, and which he had rece,Ll,,,
from the House of Commons, apparently carried on the strnesP:,7.
line to Fareham, whereas that supplied by the agent of the 0,11;
ford, Chichester, and Portsmouth line did not do so. Mr. Os r;
therefore, wished to know which was correct, because theePle
was important. On inquiry it was ascertained al ,gc
mark on the map, which was coloured blue like the tinet;;B
line, was a mistake of the colourer's. Mr. Montague Brrat 'that
of the counsel for the promoters, informed the CoasMittee.._. 0
a similar mistake had been observed In the map SuPPiwtog
the London and York Committee, and it was known tbst
many of the maps of the Board of Trade were incOrrect, the' re•
the map with which they were supplied, and on which w„
mark arose, was the correct one. The atmospheric line,
agreed by both sides, did not pass to Fareham. tated fist
To the cross-examination of Mr. FLoou, the witness 6
or, At
a large meeting had been held in IS3S, called by the Ng
which the branch line to Portsmouth was rejected. bie 044
To the cross-examination of Mr. AUSTIN,
wawa first° .3, tbere
he did not know Woollier Wood, though he
was wood about Mitcham and Petworth, but that the P „,,,, ass
refused to cut it, as it was mostly ornamental tiinber.
t;ouih
aware that there Was a strong feeling in the people of rot' we to
for the direct communication with London. He Was Al„eareastal,
say whether the steam trade to the Isle, of Wight ha" -13,0 to
though lie did think that, if the French ackets could be °
Portsmouth, it would be an advantage.
(LEFT SITTING.)
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SO
Group N. Dlr. AUSTIN
On the sitting of the Committee this morning,
opened the case on the part of the promoters of ttfe
ware threptrirtil
CORN WA LL RA ILWAY. _,. The et.
The Learned GENTLEMAN said it was the intention
tohte'Threat
meters of the Bill to form a connexion with the bread
Western Railway, which was laid down various project;
gauge, and which was in full and effective force. ..,, respect!,
had beers under the consideration of Parliament wil'.'
tu Rand
the construction of a line from the Great IV e
line
II
Exeter to Plymouth, along the
way through the county of Devon. A
..„, ncloet ,
c°ssint'etroir''',:elLrensiti*;
which was a continuation of that line from the
intended to work that line by atmospheric rower% o it;g•that WI
ocafitileidat line in theTtoh;yn oif),Poil,yomsedoirtitrowacsaaaitna, eru°rhbeut Cif Was
erice
line at the opposite part of tha own,
eter hoe to
p.
proposed to continue the South Devon or r'
„oh the st3"°,,,n't:l
point so as to join the Cornwall line. Thong laces, 1"- ides
peared in the plans to be laid clown at different P outt, ha
would constitute the termini to the whole line. IT:to all cfp:
population of upwards of 100,000, and was, in rays hot. 0
mercial purposes, the metropolis of the west °I
_'5.."!, wostki tin
.r -ig -
general course of the line, after passing the 051n7ertainet" sad
to Torpoint, St. Germains, Liskeard, Bodinin"; tenlit, rough
Penryn and Falmouth ; would be 60 miles 1,-, pssl t,r,-,,ralf
would, to use the words of his brief, d sitsieu"-oe
a rich and most densely populated rainlng,eapprieva tOvi,
and commercial district." The population of th oth the lie obit
which it would pas., e,cluding th..e common to h..ot the Ceolj
46,000 The population of the One throng!, wi" „Ile hos* the
I;',e would pas,: would bo abcot :aid' that
anonnuraberdiag Pi i„,
through districts having 3 population,
..,i Wonl The
income-tax assessment, of 211,000. The t'c'ett work. 000,
abundant to support the line, and keep it lit'
_,.,1 at 105' .„ore
capital was a million. The general traffic was wouldesee:s giee..4/
forty per cent. for the working of the line, whic the ralll7o,
than six per cent. on the capital. In the even,..t ca prohabotrisy
being carried out, the mail packet-station wOuld,'". a the ts.,,je
be restored to Falmouth, and of course the receiPt:o evinc!oll
would be considerably enhanced. The GovernMent i',. so thy
.se
sire to favour coast railways in the west of F,nglsno....,ireggal '.,e4
the new line there would be a coast railway coloni,7o,sepro,P7?„
mencing at Dover, and extending as far as Yarinouth;re pro it;re
to work the line by locomotion, and the gradient'thesehe°6l,l ill
by that power. With respect to the opposition to
....,,,,oesoleere not
were several petitions from highly influential rod
to very
favour, whilst there were others opposing it' bt;le the°
from persons, or of such a number, as to en-i
serious consideration.
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Group FF. A,„ and Pr°C
This Committee resumed its sittings yesterday, /(
r.WA'
hear additional witnesses in support of
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THE EDINBURGH AND HA-WIC ..,
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The examination of witnesses was continued the
but no point deserving of especial notice cam
u
sideration of the Committee. enClO3
the Clar
andis'ohie,
of
fio
The Earl of Seatield has arrived at
A Gifft)rd'
Hotel. to L°l.- tAe°
thell la jteophener,
holy orders, having been ordaiped by the Bis yeti('
Sunday last, at 6CI soti
This gre ford
Gifford, brother poll, ha' ,op
HENLEY GRAND REGATTA.-- otie, of 0%
tool'
event, at which the gentlemen of the V nivermted for
oft
Cambridge will again contend this season,,, Tuesday nights o"?
who was Master of
shop
pe a wrote
and 7th of June. The entrances closed catop;ii to ay•of
miss excellent sport. For eight-oarecl
composed of members of the the otficere o.Peir
London, the schools of Eton and
Westaiestablished a least orrcylo
Majesty's army or navy, or to arty= lub
nzford nl _.__.e ,
previous to the time of entering : - New Chain"; out"
and Cambridge University Bost Club. A
other an'teu. e"
For eight.oared boats, open to the college and
_.,,00111.,
except university clubs, subscription.rootnS, or clubS 5;01,1,101,,,4
stituted : Oxford, St. John's Club; Cat-111)64e, the min' 4; If
(Istn Trinity) ; Cambridge, the Lady hlargaret (S!'euge CoPtlertge
London, St. George's Club. The Stewards' ChSial 6,,C,011$ '4,fl,
Cambia die'
~e,
Universities
ionfstOexr,ford,
fco,aur_oared boats, the same qualification as for the ~-,r)4;11 "'", brilow'
p : Oxford University Boat Club (the holde'-'n• 130t"C
PREPARATION FOR WAR.—A foot-ra—a 040,
.. jog
University Boat Club ; Windsor, Windsor and P°-
,sd.C.,:a
and London, St. George's Club.
~,, istelf ;per
oreffneat Hounslow, between the Blues and 2d Life„ utor w-,..gis°*-
a eto which a newspaper paragraph states that, distii7,,,,3 et'
great spirit of rivalry has existed between th°,,seeetestlndieti
regiments, as to which of them could produce tired montisll,%° Sei
To i un, hitherto, has not been the ambition of th,rt-se Ot°"" f
and we hope this kind of emulation between the .- A, i, O.
she Blues, has not arisen in anticipation of war.--110Che'401'
Lord Foley entertained the Dowager .do 'O4
Bedford and Lady Rachel Russell, the Earl an`i CIP-VilatiCl
burne, the Earl and Countess of Desert, Viseatnit lit Paifi JO;
Jocelyn, Viscount and Viscountess Sydney, Ar,iscsfoul 04 ;)11,rsl
Lord Adolphus Fitzclarence, Baron Talleyrane, --",,%5y, lAA- or is-
Stanley, Hon. Frederick Leveson, Hon. Captain 'Jo", Irwin'
Berkeley, Hon. W. R. Colborne, ese., at dinrgr' i 1 rail
evening, at his mansion in Grosvenor-square. This s- °or,
FIRE IN LINCOLN'S INN-FIELDS. the too-o,l' dories
shortly before two o'clock, a fire broke out 10
,„g then e,OOOO
the eastern corner of Lincoln's Inn-square, fa'''Znies el''' od• of
hall. The firemen were unable to get the Pro the del
until the building and its contents were burned f stevi—
Lord Eastnor has accepted the office of i., is
the approaching Worcester musical festival. ,stio,, tu'lleel
The remains of Mr. Charles Janstr" ,Alshel', 10.
death $ lot 0 010
British Vice-Consul at Caen, whose sudden Friday .0 oof
have already announced, were interred on ~`e pop obeep/
thiou, near Caen. Nearly the whole of "'eudeared wt,
village, to whom Mr- Armstrong hed sto fel°
sod d 00'
by his kindness and benevolence, 01. b an , e,
number of persons from Caen, g 'sof t 7.410% las
including several of the au thorities,ut
very s s.-;00,0
10
followed the body to the cemetery.
bashortislorie, whoceteedeelto
tion was pronounced over the grave her
Aron° °Uttnronghbite
acting British Vice-Consul at Caen. gr. An ii vise _ov Aube
celebrated Beau Brummel as Vice-Consul, an_oe had in,,ur
exertions that Mr. Brummel, whose imp
utt of Pr"" 0
in great pecuniary difficulty, derived the ill l'• ouoi• 01:101 of
fra 14 1,03 co
comforts which surrounded his last days.--
~. TOR ' ,uppoli tort,
BATHS AND WASIIHOCSES F°'" _,,, ana -,ipr'' 04
CLASSES.— A numerous meeting of the fri.en,"loooo, root,
_OO
this Institution took place yesterday at Willisetsried the...o htilel
St. James's. The Duke of Cambridge occ ;00,01 the iris;"!
amongst the gentlemen on the platform Wri of Vllere, of
of Lansdowne, Earl Fortescue, the a,,,,,,, 10 ~." open, 10f '
Sandon, Viscount Ranelagh, Lord '•".n. 11. ' pinif„,,oe,
Radstock, Sir T. D. Ackland, hie. '1,f,., 0.._ job-oef
Matheson, M.P., Mr. P. Borthsvick, I"i'derroa" jOll gehotir
for Middlesex; Dr. Southwood Smith, A ~c. seveit'uoin-
Mr. Cotton, Mr. Ridley Colborne, MY.,
the f0110te,...' The 1Y"
Mr. 'l*.
were made in favour of the scheme, and oding:os, ; soosi
tions were announced at the close of the Pro , JO& ' 10/. 00
of Cambridge, 50/. ; the Bishop of Dor" on, ha', flan
Pir'
D. Acland, M. P 101 I Os. ; AI r. gathes ~scouo ,os, ;
•, ' - hi 55; "101. ' IN
Mr. Percival, 51. 45.; Mr, G regorY, - „„" „don, 0.i.,
(second donation), 51. 55.; Viscount •'•'' 0.0
.I,loi
Partridge, 3 letf!,,, eta
A young man,
committed at Bow_street, yesterday, for st.
oner hail rot,
a half-sovereign acrd a sixpence. Thep °shoo. deg, Ay?
for some time as a letter carrier at Twicken ,trouss..e ow-
lhe five telegraphs of 13oulogne;10,eref,en!,,,pyla
Toulon, and Bayonne, have 534 stations:lll;o7,2 irs' oritricen,
upon them 29 directors, 37 inspectors, a"
thy jj°flgblt 'fisr
At Guildhall, yeAerday, Time t, iti st. ostriter, eV;
Simpson, and Michael Leary, all residen
CCs, and.
.1,1, r 0f• ,
pre
was OP` et' O
charged with obtaining goods by false P _„.,3 char ova
named IlenryeropSgteer, r, coailoid
nett, of the same place, a clothes-dealer, w''.. behalf 0. (0.00 OP
ing the property. Mr. Robinson attended
.°11... Wolle.taation'
Wontner for Simpson and Long, and I_e inft6. ett'f
Flower's office) for Leary. After a very o'l ° „oil , •
THE IRISH ACADEMIES -BILL. dv, for the tato sfhe
Alderman Wood remanded the prisones. The noi4„l,
Biotic bishops met in Dublin, on Weci9"l"edircatiejoerool et
taking the Ministerial scheme of acadenrea
„sits ou heoc_,eitt
deration. The attendance was not by sol:.."'it,, of the
time
rfl:,,r •
general impression seems to be that a 'WV:. ri'io ratne,;ooo Or
in favour of the principle of the Bill; but to
the Prof
00 slit
to some of the details, and more especiallY r° e Shoe.,,Pe s:eif.
ing religious instruction and patronagei', that 0' of l'' osr.
The Rectory of Bothall, wtn the 'lest" of I •
ift of the t Veo reOde,
Wm. Parry. The benefices are in th
rectal ° or, 0 107
and are worth 1,500/. per annum lie
_, E%eucto..
Northumberland, have become vacant IIY Doh* 0
• the diocese v. ir,
and the vicarage of Harpford, in ,A.rwood - tile
itlif ,
become vacant by the death of the Rev. ~,...
1 Yee of er
nu e a os
are in the gift of Lord Rolle. ailing 3 new DO" ate e
HIGn TlDES.—lresterday m the viol e
watersriert,ol
tides rose to an extraordinary height,
sides of tb r of
several wi'' , deA io
end below London-bridge. . a ° d .`areal
premises were partially inundated, .
street, 3"
flowed many of its embankments on bo.t_lirfsoi
etui ot:isreert.llol, to
tamed damage. Stoney-lane, Tooley
.00d.
Wapping and Thames-street, were fiL'ti .....,

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BIRTH& .- bt the I,ter,
On the 15th, inst., at Ventnor Isle of Wig ! jog
Major Had fieid, of the 37th Madras Grenadiers, oilaly a 01 • ,
13' ,
ny!Lsq., of. twill sons.
of On
, RLes‘q... , j oa fine, daughter.
a Ls,ol. a s 0
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ryanston-square, thv
of joeo
the lea
„.kn/et the
,1, th inst., at Heathileld, Hants, uoi
:Atoll, tbe
On the 20th inst., in Brunswick.square, M., t, Act
On the 20th inst., at Chelsea, the wife of
May, Esq,, barrister-at-law, of a daughtei. lest
DI: _D.e; O5 of tllO
On the 17th inst., Richard Charles, second 5
000'
John Young, Es.q., of Maid -hill Wot. T es Pr
On the 17th hist, in Badford-square, dun t,OP
Esq., aged 65. Oa -
On the 18th inst., at Reading. Joanna Kelt oflla
eldest daughter of the late J. Whatley, Etq.' 1‘ • ' dot
ter-street, Brunswick-square, aged IS. Aleo
On the IBth inst. Frances, daughter of Mr. c/,,
Wilson, of Islington ' Willialn goo
On the 1911' ' *
inst. at Doncaster, •the Nev. . ,i,
On the 19111 inst.,
Vicar of Owston ' 0 Slir.
On the 19th ii;st , Mr 9. S. Deususan, of is
,on-ireVtioi,
0005 w-
On the 19th inst At S. 011thainptOn-plACep C'3°
Lupton Rolfe. " ' ~.,,et:2,o
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