The Sun.
London, England, 1828-06-17 00:00:00

CATHOLIC ASSOCIATION.

MR. 'STEELE It; TILE CHAIR.
DUBLIN, SA:CIRDAY Nl6wr,—The loom wa3 intensely
crcwded as er,riy as three o'clock, though the proceedings
seldom c''''./imence much before four. The pressure was
such that it was with difficulty the reporters could write.

DECISION IN PARLIAMENT.
Mr. Coerzaroen. first addressed the Association on the
''lncision of the House of Lords. He said, the Peers had
not only refused them admission into the Constitution, but
had refused to take their claims into consideration with a
view to an arrangement of the question. That Willie had,
in effect, said to them, "go back, weavill not hear you."
—The reason assigned for not going into the inquiry was,
that it would only encourage unfounded hopes, that would
he afterwards disappointed: This was plainly saying, it
was useleea to hold mat. any hope, for they Were determined
never to place confidence in Catholics. He was not suf-
ficiently versed in theological controversy to analyse the
sermon ascribed to the Archbishop of Tuam. That prelate
had preached a great deal against purgatory ; but consider-
ing his vast revenue, he thought it would be welt for
the Archbishop if he ever got there.—(A laugh.) He
eulogilied the speech of the Duke of Sussex, who, he
said, would never have his midnight slumbers broken by
the voice of Emancipation, or by any other voice, peace-
ful must be his repose, for his Royal Highness had never
voted in violation of the rights Of others, and his con-
eience therefore was void of offence..-..(Cheers.)—lt Was
said that some encouragement is held out towards the end
of the debate--some intimation that Govertnnent would
advante toOtards a settlemen.t of their own motion. 'Phis
was, perhaps, for those 'who chose to 'he deceived by such
an illusion; he did not choose to deceive himself, nor
would he aid in practisieg a deception on others. The
Duke had minuet to trust him, because of hie religion
Vie Dake avas entitled to no more confidence from hint ;
he would not trust the Duke. —(Cheers.)—The state of
Europe made it necessary for the Government to resort to
tills evasion, though the bulk of the peerage were above
it. They however should not be deluded. The sword
had been drawn against them ; and it was time for them
to draw the sword..—(Order, order.)
The ettarearate called the Learned Gentleman to older.
He of course did not intend his words in their literal im-
port; but, as in something Mr. O'Connell ha R said of the
Church, the meaning would be perverted, if he ditl not
explain them.
Mr. Coeetzeuea said, when he used so strong a figure
as drawing the sword, he onty meant to urge the employ.:
anent of the strongest romatitutional means for redressing
their grievances, such as petitioning.—(Order.)
Mr. O'Gottatao reminded the Learned Gentleman, that
the anbject of petitioning could not be introduced at a
meeting of the Association, hot they were obliged to have
toparate meetings for the purpose.
Mr. Comoorat proceeded to state, that be had the
agreeable intelligence to communicate that a branch of
their rent fund had bon' regularly esteblished in America,
and he doubted not they would soots hear of similar ineti-
totione in other parts of the world where there WM Ca-
tholics.—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. Laweess praised the speech of the Duke of Sussex,
and commented on that of Lord Plunkett. lie was sot ry
to see that Noble and Learned Leo! stoop to compliment
and ogle the Established Cholth, to which they were jus-
tified in imputing all their wrongs.—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. O'CooNvio.e—l think I have now got a commis-
eien—a commission signed by a majority of 45 Peet s,
authorising me to agitate—(Cheers and laughter)—and
they have enamelled me to go etr,—they have even bound
one over to increased egitatioli.—(Cheers.) They had before
constituted me chief agitator and demagogue, and boasted
how easily they could unmake ine : and yet they have not
only left me in the full plentitude of my office, but even
increased my power, by giving me freah cause for agitation.
—(Hear, hear.) I will begin then with another cheer for
Ireland..—(Loud cheers.) " One cheer more" for Ireland.
—(Continued sheeting.) We have been told, very kindly
indeed, that if weavill but be quiet now,—mark that now,
when Eurape is in arms, and Ireland impatient of her de-
gradatiam,—now, when the Catholics of England are
.awaking to their rights, and the Protestants of England
have expressed their cease of them, and sympathised with
us—new, when all classes see, with just apprehension, an
attempt to retrieve by 'military domination the most glaring
incapacity for civil rule—now, then, it is that if we
will be quiet and passive spectators, now, the Duke of
Wellington will do something for us at some future time,
by which the emancipation that is advancing by its
o ana tome, shall be not only delayed to the remotest
passible period, but likewise dwindled into as insignificant
and unworthy a prize wait is possible for any body of men
to desire.--(Hear, hear.)—Sir, I reject the terms.—(Loud
cheering.)—lt is monstrous tte put us-off in this manner.
Is it because Lord 'Eldon entertains his _doubts?' I despise
not the talents of that individual ; but is it not remarkable,
in this case of the culy talent exhibited against us, that it
has never, during a long life, been on any one occasion de-
voted to the cause of humanity? that, notwithstanding a
long course of public employment, there had not been one
voice to say, `God bless him,' as he passed ?"—( if ear,
Miserable old man ! No sooner did he ascend the judgment
seat, than the intellect which nature had given him, and
education had in some manner favoured, became oppressed
with doubts that would never permit him to staunch the
widow's or the orphan's tears ; but, if, upon other occa-
eions, it enabled him to display a decision of character, it
was uniformly by its quickness in deciding him against the
eights of mankind.—(Cheers.)—Yes, Lord Eldon is
against us—l would not conceal that fact—the talent of
Lord Eldon is against us ; what cause, right and good, did
it ever espouse ?—(Cheering.)—Gracious Heaven ! is it
this man that shall put aside our claims to worship thee in
a land of peace ! Is it because this man will not respect
our civil rights, that our fertile country, which thou bast
blest, must still be afflicted with his ctiree, and doomed to
he wasted perpetually by domestic strife !—(Cheers.)-0
yes, and for this the sapient and sermonising Archbishop of
Tomo will go on with his reformation—(Laughter)—and
with his dissemination of dissensions between children and.
their patents. Were it not that lam personally assailed in
some of the reports, I could find it in my heart to pass by
these interested Prelates and the other titled patrons of the
Esta.blislunent, who have Seats the House of Lords, and
who have honoured us by'their opposition. But, Sir, I
see a charge--a stupid imputation I may call it—and
take this opportunity of setting myself right. The charge
is differently reported. In some of the reports lam ac-
cused of saying that we had trampled on some already,
and that we would trample down the rest of the Esta-
blished Church, as soon as we were emancipated.—(Much
laughter.)—.Theo is not my speech, Sir;" it is the speech
of a certain Corporation hero, named David Cleary.—
(Laughter.)—When he imputed it to me, of course no-
body here expected me to disavow any thing so absurd as
gelid spring from such a source ; but when I see the
charge preferred in the HOuse of Lords, I am called upon
to say, that the charge of wishing to secure my own rights,
by trampling on the riOitis of any portion of my fellow

subjects, is a calumny when applied to me or to the Ca
tholics of Ireland, but that it is true when applied to our
enemies.--(Cheers.)—lt is their own theory, ant/ their
own practice, aud repudiated by us with abhorrence.—
(Continued cheering.)—But in one of the reports I find
the charge against me otherwise stated. lam there al-
leged to have said, that we had trampled on all the ob-
stacles thrown in our way, and that if the Esta-
blished Church should now place itself in the way
of our emancipation, we must, in our progres,
trample down that also. This, Sir, or words to the
same effect, I did say.—(Cheers, and hear.)—This
I reheat--(continued cheering)—and now look at the ser-
vice which that church has received from her Prelates and
Noble Patrons in the last debate. Have they not plainly
&dared bar to be the only bar to the attainment of our
libel ties ? (Cheers.) This then, is the fact ; and- we must
surmount that harrier, or any other that shall stand
between us and our just rights. (Loud cheering.)
1 tell that Church that it must give way, and let us into
the Constitution, or it must crumble to. atoms. The
Archbishop of Tuam is angry with us, because we Ca •
tholics will not every man of us interpret Scripture for
ourselves. This may be very wrong in us, but is it not
xtremely foolish in this Archbishop to tell us so? for, if
each of his people should follow his advice, and resolve to
interpret scripture for himself, what would be the use o:
paying this Archbishop 25,0001. x year ?—(Laughter.)—
Ele is positively preaching against his own trade. The
Learned Gentleman adverted to the subject of securities,
€ll which he had erred onee;but be solemnly pledged him-
self in the face of his country and God, never again to
entertain the subject. If indeed the discussion was pressed
DI them, let it he made a matter of fair treaty. Ile
had no notion of treating upon unequal terms. Hay-
ing thus spoken of what they should not do,
he came to the que4ion, what thcy were to do ? His
answer was—agitate_(Chcers)— agitate by all ways
and by all means that ate known to the Constitution.
Simultaneous meetings—get ready your two thousand
six hundred petitions—(Loud cheering)—and lay them
before Parliament on the last day of the Session, with
notice that they wild be the subject of a motion on the first
day of next Session. Organise your liberal Clubs with al.
expedition. (Cheers.) There will be one in every count.
In another fortnight the Liberal Club of Dublin shall
completely organised ; there shall be a Liberal Club
every parish to report to a central club. (Cheerig.) I

Il institute the Order of Liberators without delay ; its

mention has sometimes excited a smile, but I am
fully Convinced that 'it Will benefit the country.
Independent Clubs,—Order of Liberators,:—Catholic Rent
....he invoked them all, by his country,—his religion—to
agitate and agitate again.—(Loud cheering.) Mr. Shiel,
and Dir. Lawless had once received hopes of adjustment at
the foot of the Throne. It was the expression of Majesty
itself. But what had clung about it of late ? A
I Cate not, Sir 3 it is the Duke of Cumberland who cannot
endure ntlr hopes of Emancipation. He it is, whoie pure
lope for the Established Church, has induced him to throw
himself between me and my rights...,—(Cheering.) He it
is, who has proclaimed himself my enemy, and to whom
1 owe in return— I will not say hostility--but, Sir, you
may easily conceive another sentiment which I scorn to
express.—(Loud cheering.) 0, Catholics ! how are you
mocked. The conscientious scruples of that ornament of
'Royalty and the Church, are thrown into the scale against
yoo. lam glad the Duke of Cumberland did come home,
and I willingly give him to the Church by whom we are op-
posed. Iu conclusion, Mr. O'C. called on them taiagitate
their rights and vindicate their church. He begged to
address hit warning voice to the Government : he would
beg them to remember that the young blood of Ireland was
boiling with indignation at their country's wrongs—that
their school-boys employed their leisure hours in debating
on these topics, and thus training themselves for action—
was it to be expected that they would bear oppression with
to much patience as their fathers had done?—(Loud

cheering.
Mr. SHIM. (being loudly culled On) awn IJ:ought for-
ward his motion ter A tribute of thanks to the Earl of
Shrewsbury) for the publication of his Reasons for not sub-
sctibitig the tests imposed on Catholics. He did so with
the more readiness when he saw a great Protestant Captain
vote for continuing the exclusion of the descendant of a
famous Catholic warrior, He congratulated the Archbishop
on his poorness of spirit, and his readiness to bear the
burdens of his people's money, and on his being despised of
man. These he hoped would qualify the poor Arch-
bishop of 'rum with 25,000/. a year, for a state of per-
fect beat. tide. lie was astonished that Mr. O'Connell
should say all the virtue was on their side, when the
Duke of Cumberland was on the other side.