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Illness of a similar ehassa t • but no
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any • great A • •
auniber.
Q.His any amendment already tateri place in
file course of tits 'Majesty's disbrder, and dpes the
Penance- of such amendment continue at pre-
sent )-e-A. His Majesty is certainly I better now, • .
than he has
,been at-somes ' periods of his-present in
disposition -.
position ; I do not thibk' that of late there has •
13een an appearance of much improvement.
Q. Cad you assign the present disorder of his
sialesty to any partieular cause I ,have no
mtibt in my own mind that his complaint arose out
af the:great ,affeaion that his- Majesty had for his
deceased daughter, god the great affliaion that he
kelt daring her icing.and tedious
Q. When were you fust.called in. to see the
-believe it was- on the 25th of Oc-
tober.- :
4, Q. Were you in the habit of • attending on. the
,
ing.befoie this lilt-W.ss. No, not at all.
(si. Did you never visit the King, as a patient, be-
• fore this NO, never.
In ordinary_ cases, would you suppose, that a pa-
tient:Was More likely.to recover from a mental ma-
lady, beeriaffeCled.with mental milady three
or tour 'tithes previously, than if 'he had never been
affeaed do. not koow very well what 'an-
‘ver to give to that. question,: I think it bears two '
• ways; it appdats.to me., that where a person has
}iad an, indisposition with certain symptoms-three or
for times; andhas recovered, it always gives a-con-
siderable presotnetion, provided the constitution is
not snaehsseeakened in its powerS, that the person
will rover again -al the same-time it may be said,
thatthe
,snsceptibitily to thsease ii increased by the
ttutnbgr 'el attacks, and in that point of
.view the
pergba'aiight-agt be -so likely to recover. think,
ibowevers that the other reasoning has more 'power
ithoe'erber'thies' the last, and therefore' I should say,
that it the -CebSli4ililoll 15 tier cii weakened, it
gives'a preSamptio'n,li a person has 'recovered from
sessilar diSdase tutee tittles; that he. has' a consider-
able chaPce of recover[, g the fiiu;ll time.' •
When you talk of he King's recovery, and com-
Petency to public busitiess, you mean, the compiete
recovery, as you would speak of another patient, to
be competent to the management and direction of
all his atfairo-4 think so. I do not say that the
hung might net fall back and be liable to any future
attack of a similar indisposition, but as tar as I can.
Judge of it, it is Most probable, that it he dues re-
cover, he will recover with the same power of per-
forming his duties, as a Sovereign, as before.
Have any of the Royal Family seen the King,
since his indisposition ?—Not as far as I know; I
believe at the time he was beginning to be hurried at
first, his family saw him; but since the cliseasd es-
tablished its eharatler, ['believe, none of the Royal
Family have seen him. I believe nobody, since the
25th of Oelober.
Is the hurry of which you speak, to be understood
4.subsequent or anterior 'to the 25th of Ottuber
lie 'was certainly very vouch hurried on the 25th of
Odober ; but I believe there were little marks of
the Same sort before that ; and that they were Ob-
served by his family, before they were obseived by
strangers.
Did you observe any symptoms of it before the
25tik Of Ottober I—l think Once or twice I observ-
ed a little,. but it did not 'strike me much ; on the
25th it vas' very well marked. I saw the Icing
twice a day, before the 25th, to give an accoutn of
his &tighter.
Oars any peraonS have any access to his Majesty,
,*vithOut the knowledge and consent of his
Cians 'believe not; there ate certain persons of
coarse established about -his Majesty, but there is
to strangers; occasionally one or two of his -cOnti-
dentiarpsges have 6wilo into thesropm kr fin in-
stant, but Ida not know that anybody else :has.
Has' any person, other than the Royal 'Family, or
his pages, or attendants, seen the King, since you
have been in attendance upon his Majesty's?--Yes,
Pe Lord Chancellor saw his Majesty the day before
• •• • ...
..,;iestetdFy.
Were you consulted on the:propriety of the Lord
Chancellor's seeing the King ie-It madd apart of
.general conversation, among the Physicians, tlied.ay
before the Lord Clisncellor, saw the King; and it
•"Was thought; upon the •wliole, perhaps, that jt would:
be more'shtisiaCtory that the Chancellor should- see'
the ICirig,-sci as •to give •an account of hiiit Irum
(Avis observation.
Was that a matter that • suggested: itself to the
physicians.in their medical capacity, or was it thrown
out from:any other quarter was, not thrown
out froinTany other quarter -so far as I know.
From -which of the Physicians did the' first sug-
gestion come, of the propriety of the Chancellor
seeing the King ?e--I believe it• was from Dr. Heber.
What reasops did Dr. Heberden assign, for wish.
ing the Chancellor to see the K.tig was u
reason assigned, but that I have assigned nowi :that
was'thotight desirable Parliament shoeld have, not
simply thd report of the Physicians, but the ,report
of the Lord Chancellor; from his own observation.
Did the Physicians consider it any part of their
duty to discuss what would be most satisfaCtory to
Parliament .?—I really do not know,- whether they
may not have gone beyond their duty; I do not
pretend to say whether it was wise or not.
Do yoti know that his-Majesty had•been-informed,
• previously. to such. consultation among the
Pnysi-
tians, that on that day the Chancellor would be `at
Windsor I—Yes, he was informed.
By whom was he so informed believe by Sir
Henry. Halford.
• • Was such information communicatedby Sir Henry
!-TalfOrd to the King, in consequence of any. discuss
, Sion amongst the :Physicians ?=-There was no dis-
cussion,• as far as 1 tecolled, by which Sir. Henry
was empowered to make any communication to the
ing; and the latt is; I believe, it- was thought
afterwards better, that the •communication had pot
been made.
Has his Majesty been. subject to.any bodily in-
disposition, within the last fortnight ?—His body
has hardly been at any time perfealy free from in-
-Do you attach any importance to the indisposi-
'"--tioil to-which his Mejety. has be,en.subjed, in the
. Course .of ,ilie...sourse. of the lasi • fat thight, -aisaffects
e fog ktfs.genefal hcalth?--T should nOt), I think, at-
,.

, .
tack much iriiportance to it the that naturally
occurs to the mind, in Considering a small defect of
bodily health is this, that as the .King, during, the
whole of this indisposition, has had more
,pr less of,
bodily indisposition, though sometimes very list),
.yet it becomes an additional, though a slight
.probf,
that he may, probably recover,. that he has that
bodily ailment : If there was precisely the state of
mind, which the King has, without bodily ailment,
we should say, there was altogether a less chance
Of the King's recovering, than if he had the bodily
ailment ju.A.stated ; at the same time, `I think it
right to say, that sometimes that buddy ailment
has been vary liitle.

- Does the king's age .render his recovery more. or
less probable,. that if he
,were a younger person ?
It certainly renders it less probable ; at the same
age is a rdative term; the-King, at 7e, is stronger
anal younger, if one may use the expression, trtan,
many
-persons of tie, and therefore he may have a
better chance than Most persons.weidd have at the•
same peripd,of life.
Dues the Kings .defect of .sight at all jnflueocei:
in your opinion, the probability or improbability. of
the King's ultimate recOvNry ?—1 have really• no ex:
perience kit all, and therefore what I shall say to the
Committee must-be-considered as a conjecture, aid
therefore probably of httle valne., I should con-
ceive that, in the earlier periods or..an indi4positien
like the King's, blihdness would probably be an ad-
vantage ; that &would:lessen the exeikment; 154 t,
When a:person, atllieted like. the 'King, goes' on
to-
wards.recevery, I cotreive Grit the s:..ht. Orsiiht
would be a disadvantage, because •he would be oe-
prived of many amusements that would occupy his.
mind and assist in the cOmi.lete- recovery. I con-
cerre, that when a Nrson, situilarly situate with re-
gard to complaint as the King, has 'go: into a 'state
,of convalescence so as to be able to take exeleise,
perhaps the having sight would be t heti a.disadvao-
rage:again, because he wok.id be roused by a great
many objects, and take violent exercise, Which
thight pyssibiy bring back a rettur tho,coul-
p!aint.:- Wliat I say now, however, rs altogether
conjecture.. _ . . _ . . .

Do you thick, that the King's deft:6f of sight is
less likely to have an influence upon• the ultimate
recovery 01.. t he King, than upon the duraiion of his
disorder--I, shouid think it less likely to' 11,,ve
influence upOn the
,peofive recovery ut the King,
than upon the duration of his illness.' .
...Can you, under the circumstances -which pecu-
liarly attach to the I(ing's situation, his detect of
sight, and his age,' forth to your own mnid any con-
jeCture, at all 4atii:.!Cloty to you, as to the ptobAble
duration of the King's iltuess.?-:-.4 really cannot.
can only giv e the answer. I have done before We
can only conjes.:ture, afid there is no 'other ground of
judgment I can perceive, than that • of comparing
the present with his Majescy', fmner illnesses at
the sante time, I think, the circuinstance!i site such
as to render it likely that the present' indisposition
will .be a longer :indisposition than some of the
former.

Have you ever known an instance of .a perstin, of
the King's age, and deprived 6i Sigh -1;' rei:over4l;
pertectly itocu au attack, such 'as ill% Mitp4Sl)" nth ,/
labours undo ?---4 have net er 'known, so tar l
collect, bur out pe-,--56ii %%416 etlected with this
disorder, Ivl,o was as old the that per-
soh saw but Ih t parson did not recover, •
_ .

. -
flaV5 ) uu. a Lliorc or less sitikstline expeaatitin 01
his.Alajesty'b recov,ry, now, th,.n yeti bait
at tj:e ys'iti were exiitnided butore the
Privy. Council ?--.1 have ratlizr a less sanguine ex-
puttalio'n 1 but die difference in that respect iongut
Rol, is very iHtle.

Have you n.►►ture or less sangoide` expetiatiott of
Iris Majesty's sp'eedyrecovery, nuw; ibad you: had
at that periud ?-7-1 rievet thou6ht it likdy that his
Majesty would recover sunn; it iherti is any change
in my btintin;ents .110 W; it is intsstlyrobably that ir
will oe longer than 1 thought at one

„ . . . .... . , .
What has made you somewhat less sanguine of
the li_in's speedy re'coireiy; than you "were., when
examined betore the Privy Counca ?—That there
'has been anwhei au tack since I Was examined ; and
I' think the remission since tt,e attack has been;
_hardly, so
.complete as some of the former ones'
were. . •

Having stated, in the, earlier part of your ex-
amination, that you beikved his Majesty's affection
for the deceased 'PrincesS, and grief during'
illness, was the cause of his Majesty's indisposition,
will you state whether, in your opinion, the cir-
cumstance of such A:c.luse being. assignaule, •ts tit-
vourable or otherwise, with regard 1.6 the prospect
of his MI-jeSty's recovery ?-1 can only answer that
question by 'conjetture ; but I show(' say, upot)
'the. whole, it. was rather. favourable,' It.ts 00er.to
know some:fixed cause for tile, cortyldint, and it is
better likewise that the c:suse should. hate ceased,
which it, has.done in the present in.sta, we.

{Withdrew.]

SATURDAY, MCF.MBER 15, 1810.

Dr. WILLIAM FIEBERPEN, culled in, and ex-;

amined.

[The- first .eight answers of Dr. Heberden wera
siinilar to those given betoie-the Privy Council
State your opinion upon tie present state of his
Nlajesty'shealtli,:a% compared "lib that at the time
you. were .examined
,hefore. the Priey.Conticil; do
you conceive him to be better or worse; or in the.
same state 1.----I.!,ihotild conceive him tnbe'very much
the same state. It would be right to at.l_t to that
answer, that his Majesty, has natiCont i n uecl 'unitol'loly
in the same tit.e, since I was examined I)z:tort' the
Privy bonded ;* but ha's been Win-tie tor a tow da)s,
:and since then ,has beep better again..
When,l,did-,you .last.. see the. King ?--I saw flit;
King yesterday morning.
What was his state at that time?-4 understood
_that his Majesty hid passed a very good nigh( ; biit
,preoous to my
rseeing ~his Maje Sty its rhe Morning,
it had been mentioned to him, That his Pli,ysielans,
or.some of them, were coming to town 'fOr the pu -
pose of being examined ; and believe it Was ovoi, g
to that cqnse, that his Majesty had a. little. bliny
upon hith at the time I saw hint r I conceive h kkas.
-owing to- t bat c suss,- bec,anse his -CtlllYelUliOli Wa di-
retled to that subject.

Ey. whom had the Mommutileaticn been made to
the Ki4g; that hi Physicians were coming to town
to be examined understood it to have been made
by Dr. Reynolds.
Did Dr.-Reynolds make that communication to
the King, by the adviCe and 'with the concurrence
of the, other Physicians, or with their knowlcdge
—Dr. Reynolds .meaning to come to town sooner
than the other P;TySjCiallS; had seen his Maj!-sry
carrel-, at 4 mentioned. it to him, I belie te, when
he %%:,bl,liy itiniself, and pre% ions
,to_ any communi-
cation with the other Physicians.
Will you have the goodness to drfitie what you
mean by the word 'httrry mote rapidly,
and with quickertransitions frorn ;one *Sublet. to
another.

is the Committee to understand, that you mean
to express an.incoherent

As. you presume that the communication made to
the King had occasioned the Luirry you xvitnessed,
do you mean to inform the Committee; that' after
having had a good night, the King has been, 'in the
present illness, invariably better. than'when he has
pased a sleepless night, or . a night with very little
sleep ?--He has, very get.erally, been better after
•passitig a good night.
His :that alAays been the case I—lt has not al-
was's been the c se: •

'Whet) yo:] S,att,, that you expe& that the Icing's
recniery will nut be very distant, what limitation
cat time do yotl apply to lilte words
.—I can apply rincil!itilld limitation i,but iii
ohis'Md-
jesty's last illness I was called to attend him on the
2:1 It of Febrwiry, 181)4 ; and his Majesty fir-t pie-
sided at a Council, I tiiink.on.fhe 23d of .April
lowing t, I should expect. his, illness in the present
case, to, follow rtetriy the same character as in that
; arid, . o..hat undersind to haA:e been the
arse in his former ilinesies.

Dig you exi-p•tt, that, d,atipg frorp this -day; its
Mvjes.ty is likely tp be so fir recovered wf!hin tte
ps to be able to preside 'at a t
cannot 4,oiiWy give any dif,itioct -ans-k‘er to that
(pit....,ion; there i, nothitt that ni3lies it Onvoisible,'
and theta is nothing that lea4s:ale-to•:ty it' %%Al tie
so. ,

Hare you seen '
such 'symptoms,of his 111,1jesty's
disorder, since you NVere examined before the Privy
Council, as to lead )ou to hope his recovery will be
triore7trpeedy, that you dint hope •at the -tnne .you-
were so examined I think there are no cir-
cumstances to to..expet.t it would be more
speed--, than when I was examiiiccrtiefiite the
Privy Council. •
Have there been any circumstances w 1 have
induced you 10 ab:ue of your hopes and expectati,nt
of a speedy'recovery-?No cncuthstances to induce
nietriabare-iity tiorei‘c f his ultimate recoieryy-and
no Otlrt,reilconist.inci.s •to -make me dOubt Of his
speedy uecovery, than there having clapz-ed another
tart night, ' without I, s being at
.pt%.tsent forwarder
than he way at that tme.

Ei ‘ve his PhysiclBl.s been divippoi ited, in their
expe,4:it;otra of
.ot, finCtifatioiis in ►fl K in;'s (lis-
oithir since the 29th of November ?;-- 17hey tine in t
been Oisappoinied in their general view of t .0
at parik:olar of his Males-
ty.s illness, they have enteriainAt a hope that it
might go on a tieaer approach to iecuvery th.in it
.fone. ,

When ‘.‘ ere you first called upon to attend tfni
king, in your protessiOnal capacity ?-06 Me Nth
of February, 1804, I began a regulir attendance
upoß his Majesty. .He may have occasionally asked
me some things, on the subject of his health, before
hat but not as a consultation of a- regular phy-
sician. - •

Old you attend the Kir g, during the whole pro-
gress 6t that diskiider ? Yes, I did: '
Did 'you refer' 'that disordel to any assignable
cause ?--Ycs.

Do you think that a. patient who has been ,
ed with menial drrangement, frequendy, during his
Is more or less likely to 'recover flora the .
order tinder which he may labour at „the present
time, than if
,he had never been so afflicteduldconceive it ronsr depend Upon the effeelsap-
patently produced lit each attack of the disbrder. •
In the: case of the King,- do you think' that hisi
having. been afflieted. three times previously with thel
same disorder, makes him more or less likely to fe-,
•
Cart- friiin (fie present 'attack ?—More
Do you take his age into consideration, when you.
answer that question ?—I do.
You have stated that the gieater'numbvr of pa-
tient, as far as your experience and iiii.ortnation
have gone, hive recovered.from attacks of a' similar
ni:ttre ;tin speaking upon that subjeet; do y6o' in-
clude patients ot the, age at which the-King:has now
atrirved?—No ; the cases that I know di,tinety of,
rt:speefing persOns of the King's age,' have been too
few fair -tine to speak particularly to that circa.
Have you known any c ises of patients above 5?..-
enty years of age ?—f have known cases of de-
angeinent 'of persons abote severity years of age; I
have known no case similar to his Majesty's, in any
person of that age.
lu those eases of derangement of patients above
seventy years of age, have any of them' recovered
—ln derangement, if the delirium of fever may be
so called, certainly many have..
Do you, speaking medically, consider the deli-
riuM ot fever to come under the description Of de-
rangement of mind ?—lt certainly does not come
under pie general character of insanity; 'no -mare
does his Moje'sty's eaie:
What description would you give of his Majesty's
case; 6 it. merely
,the delirium of lever i—No, it is
not merely the delirium of fever; nor is it any com-
mon case of insanity ; it is a, derangement attended
with more ur less Of_ fever, 'and liable- to accessions
and remission,.

Has: it at times happened, during your different
attehdances upon the King, in disorders of this na-
ture, that the King has been atleded with fever
"Through the whole course of -it. his Majesty has
aut uplotrrily been atretted with lever the begin-
wog •ot i•be• Fast 'attack, and' the present atiack,
which is all I can personally speak to; have been
attended with fei'er and fey er'ha OCcasiona
'll itT course of them. •
His therebeen, at 3riy tine, in 'the King, during
the cvutse of.tben 4i6gpiers deranzenitmt without
lever
•

During the perioln nt which clerangernent.ills oc-
;,etirred without fever ,how would you. then .di3sciiba
the disease t—J,can give it• no. other term than de.
rangement. - , •

Rave you seen patients above seventy years of
age, who have lanourec.l under derangement without
Peterhave seen Cases' of insanity in persons
above seventy years-of 'age.
, Have those patients- recovered ?—No.
Have those patients, or any of them, whom you
'have seen labouring under insanity, • and alcove se-
venty years` of'age, been -attacked after clie.age of
seventy bel.eve not.

Were th!), patients, or any of them, who had
experienced attacks-6(inianity•in the earlier parts of
their lisies, and had intervals of sanity between those
a'tacks, or were they pafienEs who had been atlliti-
ed with one continued insanity ?—l,can .only speak
decidedly, of one case where there have been inter-
vals of sanity.
Is the patient now dead ?=-Yes.

How long was it from the time of the last attack
on that patient to his death ?—I did not see it at the
beginning, but.l believe four or five years.
Do you kno:v low long previous to the age of
•seventy the last attack .which terminated only in
-death had commenced belieVe very mucb•aboLit
age of seventy.
What is the. present state of the King's bodily
health in,your opinion.?—Th:•re is no material iu
jury drat Majesty appears to have suffered in his
bodily
Is fiis'N4sty's constitution what may be called
per tectiy. •

Db you think a perfectly sound eonsiitutiOn co-
existing with 'Cottlplete mental disteinper, a fa-.
vourable syrnptoni towards recovery fitim a inentai
disorder ?—.Tn.such cases, where the mental disor-
,ddr ha's
:been attended with any affection of the,
bodily health, I shoold ccirisHer the sonndness of
• the constitution, and a perfect state of health, to be
material. to 'a ptrsonstecovery. •
You would have gtewer hopes (min the citcurn=
stance of a so,:fhl oils it um on att•l bo.il)y health -?
casrs where the mental disorder lia3 been con-
ne ted ith at.). atfedion of the body.
In ill, hint's present disorde,i tin von at'ribnte
that disolder to any bujily derange:nem ?--Not
•_, .

Does it now depend upon any hodily derange-
!bent ?-It. is connected with his bo•iily health;. his
bodily health has been alreded by his-disorder.
• 'Has that atlemion of ;his ‘hddily hval,ll produced
such a re-anion as to account for his present slate
altogether do not consider his• Majesty's bodily-
health to have been the origin of his disorder ; out
his Majesty's biddy health has been affetded along
with the disorder, and made part of the diso!der. •
Are thete all symptoms now amending- his Ma-
jesty's bodily he ilth, • by the rem. vai of which you
thank that the rccovety-if his Majesty's reason would
be attained •Majesty =has a tendency to
fever, sometimes existing, S times not eltisting,-
,th4t.temoval tit w hie!: tznde:,cy wouldcontribute,to
Iris Majesty's ,eooralion, in ,ty .
Has there been, dining the preselt illness, at any
period,. a. total absence of fever ?—Yes.

- During the total absence of fever, in the present
illness, has, at any time, the derangement of mind
continued ?-1 brl,eve never, in a great degree.
hi any degree i—Yes.

You fiavestitcd mit it has ivy/ ened, that the
Kirig has bad S.MTIC ticurS ,It:ep in 'he course of the
ni6ht, and has not been better after that sleep do
you reckon that a favourable or an -,lninvourabie
symptom, in regard to the King's i'i-overy 1-1
Owl(' t!iink it indifferent, in regal(' to his,ultimai3
recovery.

.Wotild it lead you to suppose;' 'fat hil .recovery
was not likely to be so -peedy ai it sleep poduced
its desiied'ettect.?-11 w,.uld not lead the to tonal any
certain codeltunon, with tev°:,rd to that effect,.
When 'you attended theKiPg, in the ear 1804,
did you-sign the bollelitis at that:thve
Do you recollect the last bulletin that ti,4s put
forth to the pubiie

Was it intentled.that the bulletin shOuld .convey
to the pUblic (hat hi, Majesty was completely re•
covered ?;--:1- appeh'eltd that the hulletiti4ridst have
been intended.' tri convey- an'idea that his Majesty
WaS pertettly recovgteo, so far as regeded a corn-
peteney to trai,,-;.ict public business...
Are the Committee, to, 'understand, that when
you apply the words " perfectly. tetoveied" to Mlle
&inv, you apply them in the same sense as you
would to any private judividoal,-that he was per-
letily recovered, for the trausathon of
,aity husine'ss,
ptaic of private, ',vhich. might 13!31.0ng to him, and
to the entire roattageiuent of his affiirs ? --Yes. •
The Committee then are to .understand, that at
the cessation of the bulletins, in the year t 8.04,
heIS ,sidn.g vas so completely recovered ?—I appre-
hend •

'After the ce:sation of thehulletins, did you visit
the King as his Physician, in 1804 ?--After the
cessation of the bulletins, his Majesty wen! ()lit of
town ; I was not with him .out of town; ii return-
ed to town at. :no iery long intervals, and then ,
Majesty's Physioi ins attended lino. I neheae it 4.4 as
in the Month of August that his Majesty w,nt down
to Weymouth, and trom that time 10 tile end ofOc-
.lober Sir F. Millman and myself were one of us al-
ways with hts Majesty ; for the greatest part of the
time, I was with his Majesty. . •
Were you and Sir Francis Millman the Only at-
tendants upon his. Majesty at Weymouth ?--;Yes.
, - At any period subsequent to the bulletins in 1804,
did you perceive in the .King any-duhied manner
which excited your attrOon Majesty Was
more liable to hurriess;b.ot I believe that at an
pea iod of any day, he was., iyerfedly competent to
• transit& business,
. Do you consider the hurries; of which ,von.have'
been speaking, to have been any' vestiges
.of, .or at
all dependent epon thu Ki-ng's malady ?--4 do.
You have said,. that tever..has accoiopained the
King's malady, and that that: fever' has been inter-
titittirrg the course of •his malady ; but that
you-did not conider the fever 'to be the c,ruse.of his
malady ; do you conceive the cause of,his
.o:alady
to have been the. eiii•ction,,of the King for the ill.
ness of his •daugbier. •?,-,-4 do.
--You have said that you do not consider the King's
tt be case of, prilinary insanity ?2=4-aid7

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