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sition to this Bill.—( Cheers.) No men were happier at draw- ,
in" up petitions and other documents, just steering clear of
absolute falsehood, but misrepre renting everything which, as it
appeared to them, militated against their own interests.
—( Loud cheers.) But he would come to his last
topic. The Bill he was. then recommending had
been represented as an attack upon railway property. Why,
since the Committee had been sitting, since the reports had
been made—yes, since that very Bill had been brought in, rail-
way pr operty had been rising in value.—(Cheers.) The shares
of the Great Western Railway had risen 51. The railway
market had never been more buoyant ; and at the present mo-
ment there were no less than fifteen new railway schemes
coming to Parliament, -whose united capital would not
be less than 20,000,000/. -(Hear. ) But he would argue the
question no further. Neither the Committee nor the Govern-
ment had done anything, or contemplated anything, to the in-
jury of existing railway property, or to shake public confidence
in it. All they wanted was, to legislate fer the remote future.
After the statements he had made—the facts he had cited—
the motives he had laid bare—he was sure that • House was not
to be deluded, and that nothing would induce it to defer this
Bill to next session. He knew the power of railway compa-
nies, and had ever felt satisfied that with justice on their
side they were irresistible. But knowing that justice was on
the side of Government, and feeling it was its duty to interfere
now, rather than later, or when obstacles would be increased,
he did not shrink from the encounter. And he approached his
task with the better heart because he knew the object of the
Government was to secure and to strengthen property, and not
to loosen or undermine it ; and also because, whatever noise or
boast might be made by certain interested parties, he was
satisfied that railway power had not yet risen so high, and that
Parliamentary authority had not sunk so low, as to endanger the
success of a Bill which looked only to the great, and general,
and permanent interests of the country at large.—.( Cheers. )
Mr. ENTWISLE said he felt the great disadvantage of
following such a speaker as the Right Hon. President of the
Board of Trade, especially after the very able and comprehen-
sive speech which he had just delivered.—( Hear, hear.) He
felt it his duty, however, in this early stage of the proceeding,
to protest against any measure which might have the effect of
ultimately bringing the Government into the market as
competitors' with the railway companies. The Bill, too, gave
a complete power as to future railways, and he doubted the
propriety of giving so extensive an authority to any Govern-
ment. By and bye, the country would be one complete net-
work of railway, and to grant the Government the powers
now sought by the Government would be to increase its
patronage and influence to an almost fearful extent. It should
be recollected, too, that most of the railway proprietors were
interested in several lines, and to his knowledge it frequently
happened that the most successful of the railways only re-
turned to those proprietors sufficient to pay a very moderate
per tentage indeed upon the aggregate capital they had em-
barked in them. He did not deny that the powers given to
railway companies were extensive—very extensive ; but the
question was, were they excessive—were they unnecessary_
were they uncalled for; and, above all, were they badly used?
He had had some years' experience in the working of a
railway, and he would assert, most confidently, that these
confessedly large powers were not abused, and that their ex-
istence was indispensable to the safe and prosperous conduct of
those undertakings. He cared nothing for the control of Go-
vernment—that might be a proper thing to vest in a Govern-
ment; but he protested against interference with the property
'of railways—against anything, indeed, save supervision. The
Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Gladstone) had alluded to the
evidence of a friend of kis (Captain Lewes) as to
the economy that would be exercised in the -ma-
nagement of railways should Government hereafter
become the purchasers of some of them. But the Right
Hon. Gentleman's argument was based upon false pre-
mises. For the witness alluded to had spoken of the economy
that might be introduced on the supposition that Government
was to become the purchasers of all, and the managers
of all, the railways in the kingdom. Great stress was
laid upon the accommodation that ought to be pro-
vided for the poor man. But for his part he be.
lieved that those who clamoured so loudly about the poor
man were in fact but striving for themselves. Many and
many were the gentlemen ho had seen travelling in the third
class carriages, and they, in his opinion, were the parties
who were really agitating for this cheap and comfortable
transit, having these thoughts about themselves, though
their words were all about the poor and the hard-working.
It was improper, in his opinion, that Government should have
such a power vested in them as would enable them to cripple
private capital and useful speculation. He would give his
most stedfast opposition to the Bill. They ought to allow time
for the railway public to speak for themselves. He would
move that the Bill be read a second time that day three months.
The amendment having been seconded,
Colonel SIBTHORP complained of having been erro-
neously reported in the morning papers. It was represented
that he said on a late occasion—the Poor-law. debate—that he
had no confidence in her Majesty's Ministers. That was
not true—he had the greatest confidence in them, and believed
the Bill they now brought forward would be productive of great
public advantage. The fault he found with the Bill was, that
it did not apply to existing railroads as well as to those which
were to be still formed, He did not drive in railroads—he
hated the very name of railroads.—(Laughter,) He did not
think the present railroad speculations would be beneficial ; he
thought they were dangerous, delusive, and unsatisfactory, and
opposed to the constitution of the country.—(Laughter.) With
these feelings he would give his fearless and cordial assent to
the Bill, Ha.did not wish te have the measure postponed te
the next session of Parliament ; he would say beware of man-
traps and spring guns.—(Laughter.) The Bill ought to be at
once discussed.—( Hear, hear. )
Mr. LABOUCHERE said he would trespass but a very
short time on the attention of the House. He did not agree
with Hon. Members who had spoken that night in condemning
railway directors and railway proprietors—he thought the spirit
of enterprise which they evinced, and the practical manner in
whieh they carried it out, most creditable to themselves and
advantageous to the publio.—( Hear, hear.) In point of fact,
the railway companies of the aountry possessed a vast mono-
poly. That monopoly the Government ought jealously to look
to, and he felt regret, therefore, that the present Bill had not
been introduced before. The principle of this Bill was to un-
fetter the Legislature with respect to railway companies. This,
he thought, they ought to do with respect to those railways
which were still left in their power—he meant those compa-
nies who, in future sessions, should come to Parliament for
power to construct new railways. He must say, how-
ever, that he thought that a very strong ground
ought to be shown before the Government took the
management of any railway in the country. He looked
upon the revision of fares as an experiment more likely to be
successful than that of the purchase of railways.—(Hear,
hear.) He must, however, confess that it was highly important
that the power of purchase should be maintained. He thought
that less Injustice would be done to the railway interest by the
interference of the Government, than any other interest with
respect to which the Government might attempt to legislate.
He was of opinion the principle of this Bill was one which the
House might safely adopt.
Lord SANDON said, he had certainly, on the reading of
the Bill the first time, come to the conclusion that it was in-
tended to give the Government the absolute and unconditional
control over all the railways, He was glad, however, to hear
the explanation of the Right Hon. Gentleman the President of
the Board of Trade, and after what had fallen from the
Right Hon. Gentleman, he should certainly feel justified in
supporting the principle of this Bill, and he should, therefore,
vote for the second reading.
Mr. M. PHILIPS Gould not feel himself justified in
voting for the second reading of this Bill. He thought it was
a Bill which interfered with private property, and was one
which was likely to embarrass commercial operations, and to
limit their extent, He fully participated in the opinions which
had been formed out of doors with respect to this Bill, al-
though he was not a railway proprietor, except to so small an
extent as to preclude the possibility of its influencing him in
giving a vote either for or against this Bill. He found him-
self therefore compelled to give his opposition to the Bill, as
nothing could ever induce him to give the Government of a
great cninmercial country like this, a power in such a matter.
He could not see the policy, either prospectively or at present,
of the Government taking any power in the matter.
Mr. PARKER rose amidst loud cries of " Divide, divide."
He objected to this commencement of a principle for giving the
Government a power to enter into railway affairs, in the cha-
racter of commercial speculators.
Mr. SHEIL rose to ask whether the Dublin and Cashel
Railway would come under the operation of this Bill ?
Mr. GLADgTONE-ssYes.
Mr. SHEIL did not think it was equitable it should. The
money was invested by the shareholders without cognisance of
the intentions of the Board of Trade. He contended that
money already invested, MI In the Cashel Railway, was to be re-
garded as a railway already in existence. Every railway in
Ireland, with the single exception of the Dublin one, only five
miles in length, would fall within the operation of the Bill. In
England there were above 2,000 miles of line excepted ; and
in the sister island every railway, with the single exception he
had stated, would come under its operation. By the passing
of this Bill they would be covering the country with anomalies.
--(Great laughter.) The whole Bill was a monstrous anis-
maly.,4 Great laughter.) It was giving more power into the
hands of Government by founding a principle copied Irons con-
tinental countries. They could not in the commercial
history of this country, show a single case of a similar charac-
ter to the present to the present time. He would therefore
oppose the second reading.
Mr. CARDWELL said that the last speaker had risen to
ask a question respecting the Cashel and Dublin Railway,
which he (Mr. Cardwell) from being connected with that
railway, would be enabled to answer. The Bill in question
was not yet passed through Parliament, and he thought they
had no reason to complain of the operations of this,
measure. He was certain that if the interests of
these great railways, which were valuable, not only
on private hiut on public grounds, were to suffer from the
operations of this Bill, it would be more "from the jealously of
the parties themselves than from an had tendency in the mea-
sure. He would give the measure his cordial support.
Mr. F. T. BARING said though it had been called a
shallow and a miserable excuse by the Right Hon. President
of the Board of Trade to attempt to throw this Bill over on
account ni the lateness of the session, he should not shrink
from stating that as hit reason for desiring delay, more espe-
cially, when he could, with truth, state, that through that large
blue book, then upon the table, it had been impossible, with all
his iudostry and best efforts, to wade.—(Hear, hear.) For
his part, besides wishing, on the ground of the late-
ness of the session, to have the Bill postponed, he
did not hesitate to say that he differed with the very
principle embodied is it. That principle was totally at
variance with all the rules which had hitherto been re-
cognised as the guides and guardians of British enter.
prise. If the Board of Trade was to have this extraordinary
control, let it be upon cause shown; but cause had not been
shown—necessity was not proved. He would certainly vote
against the second reading of the Bill.
Mr. BROT BERTON moved the adjournment of the debate.
The House then divided, when there appeared—
For the adjournment
Against it .... • 173
Majority
The debate was then resumed.
Mr. HINDLEY thought more time ought to be given to
consider this question.
Mr. BRIGHT then moved the adjournment of the debate.
Sir R. PEEL expressed his regret that the minority should
not defer to the opinion expressed by a large majority. Of
course, it was in the power of the minority to defeat any
motion, by moving repeated adjoiirtiments. He thought,
however, that it was a bad practice; and quite indefensible on
the present occasion.
After some discussion, the debate was adjourned to Thursday.
The Charitable Loan Societies (Ireland) Bill was read a
third time and passed.
The Drainage of Lands Bill was read a second time.
The Canal Companies Bill passed through Committee, and
was ordered tcrbe read a third time on Thursday week.
PARTY PROCESSIONS (IRELAND) BILL,
Lord ELIOT moved for leave to bring in a Betio eontinue.
for one year the Ant 2d and 3d Will. IV. intitled an Act to
restrain, in certain cases, party processions in Ireland. The
Bill WO only to extend to next June, and he had hopes that
Ultimately they would be enabled to do away with the Bill
altogether.
Sir, AI, J. O'CONNELL expressed his satisfaction at the
Bill being limited in its operations to so short a period.
Leave was then given to bring in the Bill; and the House
adjourned at Half-past One o'clock.
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At the Liverpool Police-court, the other day, one
man was fined 2s, eid., and another 55., for smoklug in
the street, opposite warehouses stowed with cotton.

SPORTING INTELLIGENCE.
TATTERSALL'S—YESTERDAY.
The settling of the Epsom accounts was resumed yester-
day, and notwithstanding the large sums that were hedged
between Runnirg .Rein and Orlando, proved one of the most
unsatisfactory ever known. Several parties did not appear
either in person or by proxy, nor, except from one, who, a
heavy loser, attributes his inability to meet his engagements
to a mercantile failure, was any communication whatever re-
ceived from them. The absence of two or three of those
persons is good-naturedly attributed to ignorance of the
time fixed for settling, although made public in all the
daily papers on Friday last, and copied into most of thg
weekly and provincial jounials ; this plea, therefore, canno t
be allowed, and for their neglect to make any provision
for the settlement, no excuse whatever can be made—it is in
the highest degree reprehensible. Of two other cases no
hopes whatever are entertained; it was well knbwn long
ago that they would be "wanted " if Orlando won, and no one
is in the least surprised at their absence. Their deficiencies,
and the state of abeyance in which the late Mr. Crockford's
book remains, had a most disheartening influence on the
settlement (all the accounts having been more or less dis-
arranged, and several parties—good winners on the race—
obliged, in consequence, to leave the room considerably out
of pocket. The only way to prevent this very usual conse-
quence of extravagant and indiscriminate " book-making"
is, without regard to rank or station, to adopt the "black
board," and post, not only actual defaulters, but all who fail
to attend or make arrangements for paying and receiving, on
the regular settling days.
The betting commenced late in the afternoon, and, limited
as it was in extent, led to two or three important changes.
JULY STAKES (THIS DAY).
Old England the favourite, but no price fixed.
LIVERPOOL CUP.
6 to 1 agst Mr. Meiklam's Aristotle—taken
GOODWOOD STAKES.
7 to 1 agst Mr. Wreford's Franchise—taken
10 to 1 agst Lord G. Bentinck's Croton Oil
12 to 1 agst Duke of Richmond's Red Deer—taken.
14 to 1 agst Col. Peel's Canton—taken
15 to 1 agst Colonel Anson's Parthian
18 to 1 agst Mr. Shelley's Lucy Banks
18 to 1 agst Lord Exeter's Elegance filly
20 to 1 agst Sir S. Spry's Subduer
25 to 1 agst Mr. Meiklam's Poussin—taken
GOODWOOD CUP.
6 to 4 agst Mr. Salvin's Alice --""awthorn
8 to 1 agst Mr. Bell's The G' nice
12 to 1 agst Mr. Herb er tN..; Antler
k. LEGER.
3 to 1 agst Iklr. Williamson's The Care—taken
8 to 1 ago t Lord Stanley's Ithuriel—taken
15 tO agst Mr. Irvine's Foig-a-baLlagh—taken
DERBY, 1845.
30 to 1 agst Mr. S. Stanley's Virago colt—taken
40 to 1 agst Mr. S. Stanley's Minikin colt—taken
40 to 1 agst Lord Eglinton's Lycurgus—taken
Bastion, who was quoted by us last week, is, and has for
considerable period been, the property of "Mr. Hook, not of
Mr. Gregory, in whose name he appeared by mistake.

LIVERPOOL JULY MEETING, 1844.
Acceptances for the Trades' Cup.
The Squire, six yrs, Bst 91b—William-le-Gros, five yrs,
Bst 71b—Pagan, six yrs, Bst 51b—Aristotle, five yrs, Bst 31b—
Misdeal, five yrs, Bst—The Era, four yrs, Bst—Pompey, four
yrs, 7st 1 llb—Lothario, four yrs, ist 101b—British Yeoman,
four yrs, 7st 10Ib—True Boy, four yra, 7st 91b—Yardley, four
yrs, 7st 81b—Scalteen, five yrs, ist 71b—Aristides, four yrs,
7st 71b—Whistle Binkie, five yrs, ist 71b—The Caster, four
years, 7st 51b—Queen of the Tyne, five yrs, 7st 51b—Armitage,
four yrs, ist: lib—The Neill, four yrs, 7st—The Currier, aged,
7st—The Poor Soldier, four yrs, Est 131b—The Orphan, four
yrs, Est 121b—What, four yrs, 6st 101b—Red Rose, six yrs,
Est 101b—Naworth, aged, Est 91b—Red Deer, three yrs, 6st
fib—The Best of Three, three yrs, Est 21b—Mickey Free,
three yrs, 6st—Tarquin, four yrs, sst 81b—Pastoral, three
yrs, sst 71b—British Tar, three - 4st 61b.

The Derby Handicap.
The following have paid :—Discord, aged—Chatham, five
yrs—John-o'-Gaunt, six yrs—Flamingo, five yrs—Sally,
five yrs—Proof Print, five yrs—Bramble, four yrs—Gaper,
four yrs—Vakeel, five yrs—Emma, three yrs.—Vin Ordi-
naire, three yrs—Bowsprit, three yrs—Colin Clink, four yrs.
dead.

ATTEMPT at MURDER by a BRO-
THER of LORD AUDLEY.
From inquiries instituted on Sunday, we have ascer-
tained the following particulars in reference to the me-
lancholy affair. It appears that Mr. William Ross Touchet
has occupied apartments at No. 26, Weymouth street,
Portland-place, during the last eighteen months. He
lived a very retired life, generally leaving home after
breakfast, and returning late in the evening. About
eight weeks since Lord Audley came over from Ireland
on a temporary visit, and took up his residence with his
brother in Weymouth-street. Nothing occurred to lead
his Lordship to believe that his brother's mind wax
affected until within the last few days, when his manner,
which was invariably reserved, became much more so,
to such an extent, indeed, that it was exceedingly diffi-
cult to obtain an answer to any question addressed to
him. On ordinary subjects he occasionally con'versed in
his usual manner, manifesting considerable strength of
mind. This appears to have thrown his friends off their
guard, and Lord Audley states that he himself thought
the peculiarity of his brother's manner arose from cir-
cumstances connected with his affairs. On Saturday
morning Mr. Touchet received a letter which added to the
gloom under which he previously appeared to labour,
and for a considerable period he became quite abstracted.
At eleven o'clock he left home for the avowed purpose
of taking a walk, having rallied a little at that time,
and, upon going out, he asked Lord Audley if he
could execute auy commission for him ? His
Lordship replied in the negative, and the unhappy gen-
tleman left home alone. At four o'clock a policeman
arrived in 'Weymouth-street to inform Lord Audley of
the melancholy event which had occurred, and to request
his attendance at Bow-street. his Lordship, who was
of course deeply affected at the circumstance, set off in-
stantly, but did not reach the office in time to see his
brother. He, however, had, as above stated, an inter-
view with Mr. Twyford, and then proceeded to elerken-
well Prison for the purpose of visiting his unfortunate
brother. 'Upon being introduced to his brother, Lard
Audley inquired what brought him to that place, to
which Mr. Touchet, who appeared quite unmoved at his
position, replied, "I am sure Ido not know." It will
be observed that this observation is altogether at vari-
ance with the answers made to the questions put by the
magistrate during the examination at an earlier period
of the afternoon. Lady Audley, the mother of the un-
fortunate young man, is at present residing with her
daughters at Sandgate, whither information was immedi-
ately forwarded, and the Hon. Miss Touchet arrived in
, town last evening. It is said that letters written by the
young man evince decided proofs of aberration of mind ;
but the members of his family had hoped it was but a tem-
porary affliction which had long since passed away. Mr.
Smith, the object of Mr. Touchet's attack, is happily
going on well, and great hopes are entertained of a
"avourable termination of his case.

THE Loss OF THE MANCHESTER.—By the ar-
rival of the Duchess of Lonsdale, General Steam-Navigation
Company's steamer, with the Hamburgh mail- of Wednesday.
it is ascertained that the wreck of the ill-fated Manchester

steamer, which was discovered lying at the extreme end of
the Reissea Sands, to the northward of the Elbe, in about
twelve feet of water, has gradually disappeared by the
breakers making over it and destroying it by piecemeal.
Two bodies, one a female and the other a male, have been
cast on the beach, and are supposed to have been part of the
unfortunate creatures who perished with the vessel. Mrs.
St. George Smith, of Drogheda, her daughter, and the stew-
ardess, being the only females that were on board the Man-
chester at the time, it is presumed that the body is one of
them. It was only attired in a night-dress and (Itemise,
from which circumstance it is inferred that she was at rest

when the loss of the vessel took place. The other body is
that of a man, and is judged to have been one of the crew.
The Directors of the Hanseatic Steam Navigation Company,
to whom the Manchester belonged, are still instituting a
strict inquiry concerning the deplorable catastrophe, but as
yet have not been able to trace out the exact bearing
where the unfortunate property was sacrificed. That sha
was lost on the end of the Reissen Sands, where her wreck:
was seen, there are considerable doubts, from the fact of liter
anchors arid chain cable, which, from their massive descrip-
tion, would not drift, being not found on the spot, and the
singular circumstance of her lying in twelve feet of water,
the extent of her draught when laden. It is, hoyr,ver, very
evident to most mariners, that the primary
Wise of the lots
was by her going too far to the northward
of the harbour, a
conclusion which the most expeisleP.-cea pilots on the Elbe
have arrived at. It has alss) teen [said that her being
formed what is termed
doubly difficult to LAI) , wall built," thereby being
0 round in stormy weather, prin-
cipally occasitmed k-er speedy wreck ; in answer to which,
her builder is ib of opinion that her loss did not occur
threAsglt thy fault in her construction. She was only
latinoted in 1841, and the repeated excellent passages she
Inade in bad weather, between Hull and Hamburgh, clearly
proved her to be a sound and expeditious sea-boat.
TIIE BOY JONES AGAIN.—The following is an ex-
tract from a letter received in this town from an officer of her
Majesty's ship Warspite, dated off Gibraltar, 16th June. The
writer was formerly resident in Leeds, and there is no doubt
of the authenticity of the letter :—" One little incident oc-
curred between Tunis and Algiers, the relation of which may
perhaps prove interesting. I think I have never informed
you that the boy Jones (the interesting chimney-sweep, who
so ingeniously contrived to secrete himself in the private
apartments of her Majesty, at Buckingham Palace), is, and
has been for two or three years, on board the Warspite, in the
capacity of a first-class boy. After contrary winds during
nearly the whole of ourpassage between the two places above
named, we were one night becalmed (at all events the ship
was only making a knot and a half an hour). Now, on fine
nights, I very frequently remain on the upper deck during the
greater part of the first watch, listening to the various songs
with which the men generally beguile away the monotony of
the time in calm weather, and on this night I was thus en-
joying myself, when about seven bells (half-past eleven
o'clock), we were startled by the soul-stirring cry of A man
overboard !' which was immediately followed by the usual
hbarse bawls of the boatswain's mate of the watch, Away,
first and second cutters.' A general rush aft took place, soma
seizing the bight of a rope, others springiug on the ham-
mock netting, and straining their eye-balls tocatch a sight of
the unfortunate individual. A marine is usually stationed on
the poop at the life-buoy, but the after part of the watch had
been called to alter the trim of the spanker, and as is usual, be
was assisting. Fortunately, however, our Captain', clerk, Me.
was enjoying the coolness of the night air on the poop.
and he promptly let go the life-buoy, which blazed away witt
a steady beautiful light, and dropped considerably astern
immediately. The cutters were lowered after a little con-
fusion, and pulled for the buoy, where they found no less a
person than Master Jones, who was holding on with one
hand, .and dashing the sparks (arising from the port-firs)
from his face with the other. As they approached, he sung -
out—' Here lam ; look lively.' They quickly succeeded in
getting him into one of the boats, the other taking the buoy
in tow. When brought on board, he was questioned by the
lieutenant of the watch, and stated that he had fallen out of
the mizen rigging accidentally ; but the ship's crew are of
opinion that, if it had been a rough night, young Jones would
not have gone overboard at all—they all think that he jumped
overboard. and that for no other purpose than to see the life-
buoy light burning, and this is in some measure confirmed by
the fact of his bawling out when falling ' A man overboard,'
and again, when immersed, Let go the life-buoy,' How-
ever, he is a singular character, and the thing ie not at all
unlikely,"—Leeds Mercury.,
POPULAR EnuclaroN,-,—Sorne time since it was
stated that a churchman, resident at Manchester, had,
through the Rev. Dr. Vaughan, principal of Lancashire In-
dependea College, offered the munificent sum of 1001. for
the best essay on the subject of' Popular Education. Several
papers were sent in, and the adjudicators have at length
awarded the prize to the Rev. R. W. Hamilton, D.D., Inde•
pendent minister of Leeds.