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London, England, 1821-01-24 00:00:00

KING'S SIV,ECII.

his AIAJV.STY7S spcech having been read from
the Woolsack and by the Clerk-of the House,
The Earl of BrLmo an rose.--L-It would- be un-
necessary for him to detain their Lorthships long
whilst proposing an Address to thank hiS Ma-
jesty for his gracious speech. Indeed, if it had
.been necessary for him to adduce many observa-
tions in support of a motion in which he felt con-
vinced:they were all zealously disposed to con-
cur, he should, have felt himself ill qualified for
so important a task, as circumstance had long iu-
capacitated him from a regular attendance to his
duty in Parliament. But few remarks were re-
qUired on his ,part, when, all. were anxious to ap-
proach his Majesty`with sentiments of unshaken
loyalty, and a fjnn determination to maintain
the Constitution, and to support the dignity of
-the Throne, on which depended the existence of
the liberties .which the country enjoyed. In the
midst of the distresses and difficulties which
pressed so heavily upon the people, lie had most
deplored the existence of ,a spirit which endea-
voured to turn those distresses to its own ac-
count, and to overthrow every .established
tution of the country.—(Year, hear!)—if that
spirit had raged for a . time, how great must be
the satisfaction of their t9rdships when they-saw
feelings of loyalty revive, uninfluenced by ino-
tiveS of interest or party, but speaking the manly
sentiments of the country.—(Hear, hear !)—IC
was also highly satisfactory to hear that his
Majesty continued to receive from Foreign
Powers assurances of their friendly dispo-
sition towards us. It was impossible to say
what might be:the result-of their present delibe-
rations, but it was gratifying to know, that what-
ever might be that result, it was his Majesty's
sincere wish, and it would- be his deep care to
preserve to his people the blessings of peace.
The reduction which his Majesty was pleased"to
propose in the military REtablishineut, was an-

other,pledge of the sincerity 4:)f his pacific inter=
tions. The considerable improvement which-had
taken place in several branches of our 'Commerce
and manufactures, was also a .grea't cause for
.congratulation, for upon this depended the pros-
perity of the country.'. But whilst he congratu—
lated their Lordships upon these advantages, he
could not refrain froni.expressing his regret that
this cheering information did not extend to that
partof the empire with which'he was mor4-
wediately connected. But the effects of Alf-
`proved trade and manufactures.of England rimst
extend even there •.; for it was iMpossible- that.

they shyuld be long felt in this couptry, nithout
ultimately spreading to Ireland. The distresses
experienced by thelrish pedple were of a nature--
peculiarly severe. The of the Banks
which supplied the country with paper currency,
had withdrawn,,in a moment-, ,nearly the whole
of its eircutation. But if the distress had been

gri,at, he trusted lie should be .allov,ed to ex:-
press ad:niiation of the patience and forti.tude
with which it had been borne.—(Hear, hear 1)
0 n the part of Government every Wort ..b.a..ca)c-en,
made to alleviate that distrds ; and he could

take' upon himself
.to' declare, that at no periodof
her- history ,had Ireland been more, iealously
loyal and affectionate to her King than at the

present. Feelings such as those, —he conceived,
were the best means of enabling, the people to'

surmount their difficulties ; ,and Whatever differ-
ence of opinion might exist on the various ques-
tions which might come before Parliament, he
trusted that there would be but one feeling. and

ono unanimous vote in favour of the Adtkess,
which he should now propose should be pre-
sented to his Majesty. lie concluded by,moving
an Address, which., as usual, re-echoed the: senti-

nents of the Speech.
Lord PRUDHOE seconded the Address. Whilst
ie looked with a❑ anxious eye to the delibera-

tions still going on abroad, he defended the,effi-
cacy of that system of Government-under which
the country had so long prospered.. lle rejoiced
at the improvement which had taken Place in our
manufactures ; and with respect to the sentiments
Which the Noble Earl, who. had moved the Ad-
dress, had expressed towards Ireland, sentiments
which did him the greatest honour, they agreed
exactly with his own ; for he conceived the inte-
rests of Ireland to be so intimately united with
those of this country, that her prqsperity and
our's were one.—(Efear, hear !)--:There was one
part of his Majesty's Speech which must prove
most interesting to the whOle nation.' It was the:
proposed reduction of our military expenditure.
tt would serve,, not only to lighten the burdens
of the people, but to give an additional pledge of
his Majesty's regard for their welfare, and of his
determination to maintain the blessings of peace.
From all parts of the country evidences of a bet-
ter spirit were displaying themselves, and at a
time when the public mind had been most agi7
taied, it was gratifying to hear sentiments of
loyalty to the Throne,'and of respect for our
laws and religion, expressed every quarter.---
Ile concluded by calling upon the house to con-
cur unanimously in the Address which had been
moved, and which he now seconded.
Earl GREY did not intend to offer such obse-r.=
vations as would tend to create a difference in
the vote of the House on the present occasion.-
But he could not concur in the AddresS proposed,
not because he had any particular objection
to what it contained, but because it fell
so far short of reality in all its allusions
to the -distresses of the country. The Noble
Earl by -whom it had.._ been moved, had
said that :he anticipated an unanimous concur-
rence in the propriety of supporting. tl:e Throne.
He- certainly was justified in entertaining such
an anticipation,. for though thefe
.were indivi-
dUals who wished to avail themselves of existing
distresses, to spread:_ agitation. and discontent,
he (Lord Grey) was certain that there 'was no
one in that or the other House of Parliament,,
who, while he found it his unpleasant duty to re-
prove the measures of Administration, did not feel
the most loyal, dutiful,, and affectionate attach-
ment to the. person and Government of his Ma-
jesty.---(Hear, hear !)—perhaps, from the lan-
guage of the Noble Earl, he might start a doubt
what those addreSse;.4 were which he had men-
tioned. But he had never witnessed a more ge-
neral and more clear expression.of public opinion
than that 'which had lately taken place ; an opi-
nion which, whilst it displayed the most zealous
attachment and loyalty to the King and his Go-
vernment, was accompanied by, an expression
equally strong and universal, of disapprobation.
of the measures adopted by his Majesty's Mini-
sters. , If the Noble Lord meant to infer from
those Addresses that the Country approved the
measures of Administration, he ( Earl Grey)
must differ from that inference, and must say that.
the public opinion, instead of- being favourable,
was most unfavourable to those measures. Con.,
curring as he did in the conviction that the:peo-
ple of. England Were loyal,. he repelled with in-
dignation,every suggestion that they we're dis-
posed to subvert the Royal Government, because,
they disapproved of the conduct of his -Majesty's.
Ministers. lie regretted at the same time that he
did not see in his Majesty's Speechany-symptom
of an intention to abandon that system of Go:.
vernment which, if not given up, or maternal),
altered, would involve the whole Country in con-
fusion .and ruin. lie hoped that both Houses
would compel Ministers to recede from the course
which they had AO long pnrsu,A, and to' adopt a
policy different from 'that, the continuation of
which, after six years of peare,no one could: eQII..
template without alarm. His Majesty had been.
advised to' say in his Speech, that the receipts of
the Revenue had increased, and that a.gceat:

provernent laid taken -place in our nianufLlctures
altd conirrierce‘ He sincerely hop'd ihut this

statenkent wotild turn Out iiot to hacbe

gerated. lie, believed tt:at in sertilin bt•An,eltc.3

such an Improvement had, occurred ;
if it was meant to speak generally: of ti 4'
star. of the country, as: far.; as the • rne das -of
inforirmation tivhicii he -posesSed -exterided, her
must say that he had' not observed any
such improvement; 'There was -out brancli----
tli Agricuittiral interest—of which no ini.Jltion.
had .been inade. The Vali of the Country
.to
which he bOolige;1 had'perhapS Stlffered less thtin
others; but' even :here d great derre,sion Had
taken placeitmongst the cultivatoi'9 of the
He could not reconcile it to hisjlidgMent how the

alledged inaprbvement 'Could have ot'eurred
our. Cominerce and manufactures, whilst Agricul,-
ture had fallen had a hate of 'greater dill culty.
It wouid.be an imporfant'dutv for Parliamen.tio

perform in the- course of the preseitt Bes:ion, t
seek the means of granting relief to 'farmers ;
such" as had been proposed on a former occa.Fon,

fonthey had. originated in a misfakcn relic\ _but
the-exertioffs e.very power' wilich
possessed tb revive industry. These were some
of the grounds onwhich he objected to Ott! pc-
4.3ent,A_ddress, as it left them entirely out of sight.
should next consider our interests as thtl were

affected by our connection with Foreign Powers.
He rejoiced with_ the .Noble .Earl, that his Ma-
jesty continued to receive from those Powers
" the Strongest assurances of their friendly dis-
positionluwards this Country;" and that it would
be the policy of his , Goverurhent to cultivate
those dispositions.; but he had not heard with the
same. ,satisfaction ,what his Majesty had bOn ad-
vised to say with respect to the oCcurrences which
had lately taken place in Italy. There was no-
thing distinct in the Speech upon that. subject,
whereas it would, have become a greet and
nation to take a firm and dcci'ded tone:lie

admitted that this not the time for -LotPrin.,-,

into particulars on this important •subject ; bdt
he could not help now stating that he had (...bserv-

ed with regret that under the circumstances,
,whichlad occurred, this Country-had nt,,,t taket.
such a -.decisive- step as it Ought to 'havi.t
adopted to prevent the infraction of the
general tranquillity. He had introduced this
subject ,on D. former occasion, but the 1,,u-
-swe- returned was unsatisfactory, .for it•sp-
peared that we 'had no ,'acccredited ,Mi4tistei•
at , .Naples. lie. thought it an
circumstance that 'at the.; very hours such- deli-
-berations ,wera pending at Troppu and at
Laybach, we.. should have, no accredited Am-
bassador at the Neapolitan Court. Ile Should
have hoped' that we should at least have mal
, tained a. strict neutrality on the subject, thou

he was not prepared to say that eNen neutrality
would have been sufficient. But when he saw _
the Foreign Powers at Lavbach, summon ti Le
King of Naples before them, by what -po-wer he_
knew not, to answer at the bar of their self-
constituted tribunal,' for the crime of
removed the abuses which existed in his count! y
—when he witnessed such an unheard of assump-
tion, of authority on their part, he could .nat
help feeling a degree of suspicionantbindignation.
which, he feared, was but too much justified. lie.
should, therefore, have been more satisfied if he
had heard from his Majesty's Ministers, that in-
stead of standing by inactive witnesses, or giving
the least encouragement to that confederacy 'of
Kings purposely formed to • fasten on na.u:-
kind the chains of misgovernment, they had, by
their interference, endeavoured to prevent such
an:unprincipled invasion of the rights of j,ther
nations, as the•conduct,of the Allied SoVf,reigns
towards Naple• :seemed. to hen to displ4.
1 whei'e had revolution been 'effected itti leSs.
cruel retribution; and, :nciivhere had -less beeit-
done to allecttthe interests of other Powers;;
.an.
less a Qoverurnent ,detertnined 'not. to relax its_
own misrule, were at
,Jiberty *to prevent other
Governments from removing abuses within...their
own.doiiiinions.lest the exampl6 should intluCe
its. subjeks to Jook
.at those under which they
suffered,,aild to,wish to relieve themselves. Wbat •
effect Would the conduct of the British Goverh.-
ment produce on, the AllieS'Or the' Neapolitans
Whilst a large Austrian artny- was ready to_ pest
the frontiers a squadron: of :unusual
force, under the order. of a ,British Admiral, was
cruising in the Bay of Naples. '-Did we not then,_
whatever our profssions might. be, bear the Hp:-
pearante of encouraging so base -a confederacy?
lie sineerelyhoped that peace would not be inter..
rupted ; but he still:more fervently
"hoped, thtt
peace would be preserved by the conductof b-is Ma-
jesty's Government toward the Allied PowerS.--:-
Little,indeed,sliould we have to boast of the influ-
ence Which we bad attained tivaugh our suc-
cesses in the late war, and of the commanding'
'situation hi which they 'Were' stated to hav-„,
placed the country,_ if it 'corild be said that
the Corubitied Powers could: not be impelled or
restrained in their courAs by the remonstrances
of our 'Covermnent, when -urged. He
should not extend
~his observations' on. this iris
Portant subject. further at pi'eSentf- but_ should
pass to other circumstanceS also connected
the,Speech. lie expressed his satisfaction at the
reduction proposed in our military e-!..t-tahlisignent.
The amount of that reducti‘on was' not stated ;
but he hoped it _would be considerable. Notbinl,
would tend more, effectually to- relieve the die-
tres:;es of the•country, and to remove the feel-
ing of dissatisfaction, than such rrednctions.
By adopting a conciliating method, a.• system of;
confidence,: instead of one of- -suspicion ; by
relinquishing that line of policy,. wh;;•h
parted.frem the Constitution, .and ict:pc,:ed new
and Unavailing restraints upon the people, ha

Was convinced that great reau7.tions might se-
curely take place in the amount of our army.
With respect to the thanks which his Mafesty
had been. pleased, to .return... for the provision
made for the support of his dignity at his Acces-
sion to the Throne, it was. impossible that he
shoUld not feel the same satisfaction as the -two
Noble Peers by -,vhozu he had been preceded.
He should only say, that they had been too long
delayed. When he found them in a speech 'de-
livered at the opeaing of the second Session of
the reign, instead of the Close of the first, he
could- not refrain from inquiring why the case
_ was so; and why, PO months ,ago,-- after
.
having been long engaged in • most painful
duties, Parliarnent bad been, suddenly dismissed
iii a mariner totally unprecedented, w ithoat .any
Speech or any of the assurances now givett;There
was only one subject to which he had not yet al-
luded—it was the future establishment for her
:`,TajeF,ty the Queen. Upon this it was not his in-
tention at present to enter at any length. He
:should -only express his hope that it would be such
an establishment as justice required, and,as would
pet an end to all causes of disagreement and agi-
tation. If it should form part of the vies li of his
:t:iajes+2,.'s Ministers to propose such an establish-
ment, he should hail it with satisfaction. He. should
therefore only add, that he hoped their propo-
sition w.Ould be of that" nature which was abso-
lutely necessary to compose the agitation of the
people. When all those 7bjects should come to
be separately discussed before the House, he
should. take • them iato enlarged consideration,
and should most sincerely rejoice if he found that
his Majesty's MiaisterS at last adopted a system
of policy different from that - which they had
hitherto pursued, and more calculated to provide
for the welfare of the country.
The Earl of LIVERPOOL did not intend to de-
. tain their Lordships long,- while answering what
had just fallen from the Noble Earl opposite.
If he enderstood that Noble Earl rightly, he did
not think that the Speech which his Majesty had
been advised to deliver, or the Address since pro-
,. .posed, such-as. the- occasion required. Yet his
objection was not of a specific nnture,and did not
apply to:nny particular part of the Speech or Ad-
, dress. Under these circumstances, it was not
necessary for him (Lord L.) to say much ; yet,
as it might be supposed, 'if he remained silent;
that he was not ready to meet some of the alle-
gations of the Noble Earl; he should rise to repel
them. The Noble Earl, alluding to what the
Noble Mover of the Address -had stated respect-
ing the
.sentiments of loyalty expressed in the
late addresses to the Throne, had contended that
;the universal opinion of the country was against
the system of government pursued" by his Ma-
jesty's Ministers. lie had not, how ever, eXplain-
,ed what he meant-by their system of Govern-
ment. Did he mean the whole or particular mea- 1
tsures ?—lie (Lord L.) agreed that on subjects of
this nature,a distinction ought to be made between
-loyalty
,to,the Throne and disapprobation of the
pleasures of Government; and that the vices and
errors of the latter, if vices' and errors exist-
ed, ought not to be visited on the Crown.
But if the Noble Earl- expected that his Ma-
jesty's servants were prepared to propose
any change in • their system of Government, he.
was greatly mistaken ; for it was their Opinion,i
as it was that of the majority of the nation, that
to the systeinwhich they had adopted, the coun-
try owed its rescue from ruin. When he talked
of a change of system, did-he mean a revolution
in all those principles on which Government had
been carried on ? He (Lord Liverpool) and his
Noble Friends, were satisfied that that system
had been the salvation of the country. If it
were.cbanged, it
,must be by other_ tbuncils and
other views. The Noble Earl had, unintention
ally, no doubt, mistaken. the nature of his Ma-

jesty's Speech. There was nothing overstated
is itl and still less arty dispoSition that any thing
should be blinked. All thlit was stated was fact.
In niany. interests -an irraprovement had taken
place. The subject. of agriculture had not been
adverted to by name, but the Noble Earl would

hind it included in the, last paragraph of the
Speech,' where the distress which still pressed
upon all classys °this Majesty's subjects was men-
tioned. .So important a topic would open too
wide a door to feelings for discussion that day ;
but if the Noble Earl had any proposal to make on a
future occasion, he shouidbe ready to give it the
fullest consideration. • Twelve months since the

great press3re lay on.themanufacturing interest;
that branch had since improved, ainl, on the
other hand, t:t2 pressure had fallen upon agri-
culture. This I: as a question on which it was

proper to say but little, tuiress there was an op-
portunity for saying a great deal: He. should
caution tht house against making any rash ex-
periments, which, thr more he heard upon the
subject,
.the more -he fell Parliament otight not.
to be too, ready to adopt. Some years ago, a
remedy had been applied against foreign -impor-
tation, which waohen considered to be-the-cause.

of. the distress experimrced. by farmers.
now found, however, that prices had fallen nearly
as low as before that remedy had been.prOided.
To what, therefore, could the evil be ascribed,
bat. to' art Increase of production in the coun-
try ?---7(Hear, two years there had
been no importa.tion, -of foreign corn.-H(Hear,
hear!)—fie_ knew that it was sUpposed, that un-
der the Warehousing Act, the corn kept in ware-
houses might find 'its Way into. the country for
home consumption. But the subject had been,
and might still beinvestigated, and. the supposed
introduction of corn was found to, be,. impracti.:
cable. If it •was iMpracticable, no other conclu-
sjon could be adopted, .fiinCe our ports had_ been
shut to foreiin importation for two whole years,
than that the present low prices of grain were
occaSioned-by increa-e. of production hi the coon-

try. Ile was HiAsorry to throw tills at present kr
'fliture discussion, if any. Neil)le tordshould.he
dispos€d. to '.enter into the subject. But let'not
the lion . go-into the'discussion•with-any idea
that :relief could be •procured by legislating
upon
.t4ll.)",subject._.• For one law that had done

good,lie was convinced that -nine laws had done
hir:n. fHe sh.ould now proceed to our relations
with foreigii.poivers. The Noble Earl could not
3xpect thqt on an occasion like the present, he
bhould enter into a full explanation of the views

of his Majesty's Government with respect. to
Foreign Powers. Yet he could not allow the
observations of that noble Earl to pass, without
setting' the minds of their L,erdships right as to
the state of the einestion. The speeches Of the
two noble Peers 'who'. had moved and seconded
the were explicit ors; the subject;
particularly 'the comments of the Noble -Earl
(Belmore) on that. part of the Speech in which
his Majesty had been advised to state most dis-
tinctly, " that it would be a matter of, deep re-
gret to him, if the occurrences whiCh had lately
taken place in Italy, "should 'eventually" lead to
any interruption of -tratigniillity in triit quarter;
but that it would, in- such caset 'be his-great 'ob-
ject to secure to hiss people the continuance of
peace." Whether or »Of war ensued on' the Cpn.
tinent, the system of this' country Was taken.
That system was one of peace.—(Hear, hear,
hear!)—[t was'one tending' to *maintain' the rela-
tions of - peace with a view to own
tion, as well as to that of other states. And he
had no hesitation in declaring, that the deserip-
tion,of war in which this'country ought to be, .and
would be most back Ward in engaging, would
be a-system *of.-war' founded on the principle-of
interfering in the concerns of other States.---,-
(Ifea-r,hear !)—He had always maintained that
there were 'cases' in which such interference might
be justifiable and necessary on grounds Of our
own situation ;. but with -this single -exception,
our policy ought to lead us to abstain from all
interrerence. This was, however, not the time
fur. going at large into the subject. He should
haVit no objection, at a proper opportunity, to lay
any information which might be required before
that House; for circumstances Might have rendered
it necessary for this Government to speak out on
the subject, not only to some of the Sovereigns; but
to all the .Allied Powers; Having • said so much
upon this point,: it would. not be expected that
he should go further at preSent.- It appeared to
him that the Noble .Earl would have wished
that England, rather than maintaining a sys-
tem 'of strict neutrality, should have taken a
decided part, as. far as opinion went, either one
way- or the other ; and that certain measures
should ha.ve been adopted to prevent the Allied
PoWers from carrying-their supposed plans into
execution. But until he knew all the circum-
stances of the crse, no one could be able 'to
decide what line of policy it would have been
fitting for his Majesty's Government to em-.
brace. With regard to revolutions abroad,' or
in this country, he did not wish to shrink from
expressing his opiniOn. He was not one of
those who approved of all revolutions, because
they were revolutions. . On the• other hand,
he was not one of those who could not distinguish.
between a revolution against a good King, and
oneagainst a tyrant. He knew, that great moral
questions were to be decided by the probability
of success or. of improvement in other countries.
But What two countries were in exactly the same
situation, so as to enable the one to judge of
what would be wrong, or fitting for the other ?
He thought that to abstain . from interfering,
was the best line .of policy which this country
could adopt, because if it embraced the policy of
interference, it . might give a judgment without
possessing the necessary means of forming a
right one. This .was the system on which
his Majesty's Ministers had acted. No mea-
sure had been taken by _ this country, but in
the true spirit of neutrality,- and not only to
avoid interference, but even any situation which
Might have led to it. With respect to the pro-
posed reduction in our military establishment,
the circumstances which had rendered au increase
in the army necessary, had now so far subsided
as to make it the duty of his Majesty's Govern-
ment to lose no time in reducing its force. He
Was therefore.happy to state, that in our military
expenditure a very considerable saving indeed
would be made. And he had the farther -grati-
fication to declare his firm belief, that the ex-
pences of the year Nvr
ou 1 d be provided for with-
out the necessity of creating any additional stock.
--:(IIear, hear, hear!)—As to- the observations
made by the Noble Earl opposite, respecting
the mannerist which the last Session had been
closed,. he had 119 hesitation in saying, that con-
sidering the number of months that Noble Lords
had been detained in town,: and the delays which
would have taken place, if any further busi-
ness had been transacted in the other House,
the Session
.could not have been kept open
without the greatest possible inconvenience.—
It was not, • therefore, out of disrespect
to Parliament that it had been closed without the
usual speech. It was on the contrary for its ac-
commodation That amend had been put to its long
labours, and that the Speech :and the Royal
Thanks. had been delayed until the . opening of
the present Session, that they might meet Par-
liament in its fulness. As to the other subject
'also noticed in the Speech,and by the Noble Earl,
he should not say any thing at present, as a pro-
position would be made on the subject in the
other House of Parliament. He had thus briefly
replied to the ellegations of the Noble Earl, and
had, at least, the satisfaction to know that nei-
ther in his Majesty's Speech, nor in the Address
proposed, that Noble Earl had been able to find
any thing agaiudwhich he might directa•specific
objection.

Lord Ifor.LANn wished to put two or three
plain questions.to the Noble Earl who had just
sat down. It was natural for those whO one day
adopted one measure and abandoned it the next?
to say that• they did not understand •what was
meant -by an :alteration in their system. But
it 'was easy for all others to understand. that
his Noble Friend .(E,arl Grey) ,Meant that re-
storation of confidence and gbodna(ured govern-
ment between the Crown and the People, which
had -been tbo long a"bandoned. There svas one
part of. the Speech, On which he'should -act as a
:dishonest man, if he did not express his diSap-
probation. Their Lordships had been told, as a
subject of congratulation, that his" Majesty con-
tindetb•ta reCeiye from Foreign Powers ,assur-
ances of their friendly digpOsition. But misgO.-
verned: as the country had- been by the. Noble
Earq• and his friends,, it had not
.come to that
point to think it a subject of congratulation
for an. Englishman that his King had not been
summoned to auswer for his good intentions_be-

fore the self-elected tribunal at. Laybach. Their
Lordships had keen repeatedly told, that the
triurtiphs of the late war .had made "England the
arbiter and deliverer. of Europe. But now they
saw tho;e very. Powers enriched by our subsi-
dies, an 1 by provinces which we had enabled
them to occupy. and plunder', interfering with
the concerns and liberties of other States, whilst
we were told to rejoice at not being fingkritrto
an unjust war. He could not believe that the
country was yet reduced to so miserable a state,
that if a word -or remonstrance- against the 'war
had been inserted in. _his, ajesty's Speech, that
due consideration to petty interest, which had
always been the rule with the Austrian Govern-
ment, would not have prevented the possibility
of a war. He recollected that at the very period
when the Duke of Brunswick was marching to
Pars, the:same language and prayers for peace
had been introduced into the Royal Speeches
of the day. HOW then were they now to be
believed ? By conveying the King of Naples to
Laybach, and by •our silence on fhe subject, .our
Allies would draw this jriference, as honourable]
to the Crown as to the people, that We would
fain go to war, but that we had made ourselves
so miserable that we could not. That we gavel
them our wishes, but could not 'our money, as I
they had already robbed us oft it. Ile under-
stood from the correspondence- with the Neapo-
litan Government, that on the 12th June, 1515,.
a Treaty had been signed between- the Emperor
of Austria and the king of Naples, in which, by
a secret article, the King engaged himself neither
to alter his institutions, nor to 'make any new
ones subversive of the principle orMonarchy, or
contrary to the system of Government, which his
Imperial Majesty had always pursued •in his
Italian States. If this article had been commu-
nicated to his Majesty's Ministers, instead
of making abstract speeches respecting the
cas-s in which it was fitting or unfitting to in-
terfere, the Noble Earl and his colleague had
acted Mast unfairly to the people of this country
in not acknowledging at once the principle by
which they were directed. But if they knew
nothing of that article, how came their allies to
impose such conditions without their knowledge ?
Under such circumstances, why should they not
say to Austria, " It appears you are very flush of
cash ; you intend to give great interest to Eng-
lish Gentlemen for their money, to make a ccu-
sade in the south of Italy ; but stop, we have a
writ against you.. Have the goodness to pay us
before you proceed to relieve the people of
Naples from the horrors of a free Government,
pay your debts first."—And what was the amount
of that 'debt ?—Not less than-15 or 16 millions.
He then eulogised the constitution of Spain,
which he had no doubt a Noble Duke opposite
(the Duke of Wellington) whose work it party
was, had been much mortified and disappoint-
ed to find represented in the declarations of
Prussia and Austria as incompatible with the ex-
istence of Government in other States. lie con-
cluded by putting the following questions to the
Noble Earl (Liverpool) :—Whether the Gentle-
man now residing at Naples was the accredited
Minister from this country to the Neapolitan
Court ? Whether he had been instructed to give
assurances to the people of Naples that any thing
they might do to improve their institutions would
meet with our support ? Whether the secret anti.
cle of the treaty between Austria and Naples, in
1815, had been communicated to his Majesty's
'Government ? and whether any application had
been made to Austria for the payment of part or
the whole of the loan and interest clue to this
country, arid what answer had berg received ?
The Earl of LIVERPOOL said, that on the ques-
tion of Naples and the Foreign Powers he had
already stated the general views entertained by
his Majev's Government. If the Noble Baron
would bring any of his questions in the shape of a
motion at a proper time, he would have no objec-
tion to produce the fullest information upon the
subject. But the present moment was not tha
suited for such a discussion.

Lord HOLLAND and the Earl of LIVERPOOL
mutually explained.
Lord ELLENDOROUGH had one question to put
to the Noble Baron. He was in raptures at his
magic receipt for the prevention of war, without
putting the country to the expense of money or
blood. But it appeared to him that the most po-
lite . way of asking a debt from an Emperor,
would ,be, by a general at the head of an army.
—(A laugh.)—He was glad that the Noble Lord
at the head 'of the Treasury had promised the
correspondence, for hitherto the 'speeches were
meagre of information. His question to the
Noble Baron was this : " In .kvhat words would
he shape the remonstrance that was to,work such

magic "—(.A.'laugh.)—
Lord HOLLAND did not feel himself called
upon to answer the Noble Lord's question. He
had argued generally upon the influence which

.his country must have on the Councils of Ans.
ria, when it was seen that this latter calculated

so much upon our assistance ; on this ground,
therefore, he thought the expre'Ssion of a wish by
the people of England- would be entitled to great
weight.

Lord Ettrsnottotrog:-When 'I
congratulate
he House, that whatever, the Noble Lord would
ave us think of the debasement into which the

,ration' has been sunk by the acts of Ministers for

the last. 2 years, yet it posseses. moral impor-
tance enough in the eyes of Europe, that the single
expression of its will is tantamount to
(Hear.)

Lord HOLT, IND denied that he' had said so.-
-(A laugh.)—The Noble Lord then repeated
his argument, founded generally on our relations
with Austria.

The Loan CRANcEr.r.ou was at a loss to know
how, if one Noble Lord was Austria and the
other Naples, they could be prevented from in-
terfering with each other.—(A laugh.)
The question was then put on the Address,
whiCh was aueeil to without a division.—Ad-
journed at a quarter to eight o'clock.