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Catholic in Ireland considered himself insulted by the course
which that Honourable and Learned Gentleman had pursued
with reference to tin se trials. With regard to the
particular ques; len b. fore the House, he thought it
would Is, better to leave out every ty uul which alluded to a
repeal of the union. An allusion to it was not ralkd for—it
was totally unnecessary, and could only have the affect of ha-
rassing the jury in Ireland. There were men in Ireland who
would take the reference in the speech in a wrong sense, look-
ng upon it not as an expression of the House, but as that of
her Majesty herself. He thought it most unfortunate and un-
fair for the Government, under the present circumstanced of
the trials, to have made any allusion at all to Ireland in the
speech, especially with the professions of the Right Hon. Bart.
that his only desire was to held the scales of justice even-
handed. He should certainly vote for the amen! merit.
Mr. HUME said the chief question for the House to con-
sider was whether the words of the speech would have the
effect of giving any bias to the proceedings which were now
going on in the Courts of Ireland. Two or three gentlemen
from Ireland declared such bias would be produced by the
words, whilst the Right Hen. Bart. and others on the
N'inisterial side denied this. If the words would
have such effect, it was for the Right Honourable
Baronet to say whether he would not leave them out—
( A laugh )—in order to prevent any injury that might arise
from their use. He was sorry gto see that so much personal
feeling had been mixed up with the discussion, and thought
that the Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Shaw) was hardly justi-
fied in making the attack which he had done on his Hon. and
Learned Friend beneath him ( Mr. Roebuck), who had only
done his duty in bringing forward the matter, as he had done
so to deter others from doing that which certainly appeared
to be a direct interference with the due course of justice. Every
one had been speaking of the Attorney-General and his
amiable disposition and excellent character, but few said
anything of the facts of the case, or whether any injury would
accrue to the interests of justice, and the fair-play doe to the
traversers, which he (Mr. Hume) was afraid would be the
case. In this state of things, and fearing that, if the words
were allowed to remain, they would have this effect, he felt
himself bound to recerd his vote in favour of the amendment.
Dr. RO\VRING said he came with distress of mind to
something like a conviction that, if the union was to be sepa-
rated, it was to be by such executive meaittres as had been
brought lately to bear upon Ireland. He would impress upon
the House to consider whether the nniun was represented by
what was now going on in Ireland. Did they think, that in a
country where seven-eighths of the people professed
a certain religion—that on a trial of vast importanee to strike
every man of that religion off the jury was the way to main-
tain peace, or consolidate union ? If that was to be the law, no
wonder the union was beginning to be intolerable. He quite
agreed with the remarks that had fallen from his Hoz. Friend
(Mr. Brotherton) on the subject of duelling. But when they
saw it countenanced in the most high and exalted places, in the
very seat and sanctuary of justice— ( Hear, hear)—hew could
they hope to see it properly rebuked, or its abezniaable practice
be put down? Referring again to the union, he recellected
Mr. Ricardo many years ago stating that if that question was not
allowed to be quietly mooted, and freely discussed; it would
force itself into a discussion with a violence that all would
regret. Fir his own part, he (Dr. Bowring) could rot see
the crime that any person committed in discussing it. Seeing
that the address declared the integrity of the anion—that the
question was foreclosed by it—that it bound Members to
opinions which hereafter they might see reasons to change—he
could not, conscientiously, vote for this particular portion of it,
arid must, therefore, give his support to the amendment of his
Hon. Friend.

The House then divided, when there were—
For the address
For the amendment
Majority —lo7
On the re-admission of strangers to the gallery we found,
Mr. F. FFRENCH complaining of the manner in which the
Commission of Inquiry respecting land-tenure had been con•
stituted. It was an additional insult to Ireland, that in the
appointment of that Commission Irishmen had been excluded.
Sir ROBERT PEEL assured the House, and the Hon.
Gentleman that in the constitution of the Commission no in-
sult was intended to Ireland. The Noble Lord who was ap-
pointed to preside over the Commission had been selected be-
cause he was not only a large proprietor of land in Ireland,
but he was intimately acquainted with the laws relating to the
tenure of land in England. He had been a Master in Chancery,
and also had filled the office of Clerk to the House of Lords,
in which situation he had great opportunities of becoming ac-
quainted with the laws and usages relating to the tenure of land
in England. The four gentlemen associated with him
were also Irish proprietors, and they were gentlemen so well
known as to render it unnecessary for him (Sir R. Peel) tosay
one word in refutation of the assertion that their appointment
was an insult to Ireland.—( Cheers. )
Mr. S. CRAWFORD said that he had attended two days
before the Commission, and he was quite satisfied that they
had entered upon their inquiry witk a sincere intention of
doing justice. It was his duty to rise for the purpose of
thanking the Right Hon. Baronet for the appointment of the
Commission.

--:Ir."IJ.IEL requested the House to impend its judgment
trn the question of the Commission. He desired no kigiier ree
futation of the charge that the appointments were an insult to
Ireland than that which had been given by the Hon. Gentle.'
man who had just sat down.—( Loud eheers.)
Mr. F. FFRENCH denied that he had made any ttaek 00
the Earl of Devon.
Sir R. PEEL had not accused the Hon. Gentlemen of at
attack on the Earl of Devon, but of an attack upon himself
(Sir R. Peel) and the Government, which the Hon. Member
accused of inflicting an additional insult upon Ireland.
Mr. T. DUNCONIBE said that, for the convenienee of the
House, he had postponed to this day his motion of an amend-
ment upon the address, which had for its object the extension
of the franchise in Irish boroughs as well as in the counties.
He had intended to move an amendment to the effect that the
last paragraph but one should be altered with a view 'to the
extension of the franchise in Ireland, in boroughs, as well is 131
counties. In the paragraph upon which he propesed
th" amendment it was admitted by the Government
that the effect of the Registration Aet
was to re-
strict the franchise. The same effect had been acknowledged
in the boroughs. Mr. Smith O'Brien had shown in 1841 that
from the year 1827, down to that
year, that is to asYr in four
from
years, the constituency of Ireland had been reduced
109,000 to 80,000. He could not well understand er.÷t. the
object was of giving, at this particular
period, an extension
the
°a to
the county constituency, whilst
the constituency o
boroughs wt.s left untouched. He would, therefore, persevere
in his motion.
Sir R. PEEL protested against any discussion of the repre-
sentation of Ireland, upon the consideration of the paragraph
in the Queen's speech, to which the
Hem. Gentleman's
amendment applied. The effect of the Registration Bill had
been to limit the constituency of the counties, and it was the
intention of the Government to submit to Parliament a mea-
sure for remedying that inconvenience. It teas not, however,
to be supposed that they excluded from their consideration any
ether amelioration of the present law of franchise.
Mr. BAR RON thought it was unnecessary to press the
motion to a division, after hearing the Right Hon. Baronet at
the head of her Majesty's Government that it wail not his in-
tention to limit the proposed amelioration to the eotituty rotor'
alone.

After a few words from Mr. F. FFRENCH,
Mr. T. DUNCOMBE said that he did not think it wag
now necessary to press his amendment. After what he had heard
from the Right Hon. Bari.net, he thought it would be most
advisable to withdraw that amendment.—(Hear, hear. )
Sir R. PEEL said that if the report upon the address were
now carried, he should move that the House meet to-morrow, st
two o'clock, for the purpose of going up with the address.
The address was then brought up and agreed to.
JOINT-STOCK BANKS.
Mr. BLEWITT said, there was a paragraph in the address
referring to the Bank Charter and Joint-Stock Banks ; "
wished to have more information of the course the Government
intended to pursue in regard to those sulsjects.
Sir R. PEEL said, that her Majesty's Government would
not institute any inquiry into these matters, bat they would
themselves undertake the responsibility of all questions cop.
.
nected with the renewal of the Bank Charter and the state
Joint Stock, and other banking establishments. He could not
then say at what period of the session any such motion.wou'
be made, but it would be made at such a period as would insul`
the fullest consideration of it. The most ample notice would
be given when any measure would be brought forward.
0_
Mr. BLEWIT I' expressed his thanks for the informatt
given to him by the Right Hon. Baronet.
THE IRISH CHURCH.
Mr. WARD seeing the Noblo Lord the Secretary for Ire'
land in his place, wished to put a question to him as to sore:
returns which were ordered last session, and which Were n 0
then made out. There was then a difference between biVee,
and the Noble Lord as to the amount of the revenue ot te_
Irish Church. Might he ask the Noble Lord now, if dille rthe
tarns were made (int. and when they would be placed i
bands of Hon. Members ?
Lord ELIOT said all the information which was .0 the
b"a
power of the Ecclesiastial Commissioners to give bado,
prepared, and should be furnished. But a great portion
hi "'
the
revenue of the Church in Ireland did not pass
hands of the Ecclesiastical Commissioners ; therefore 1 ^
• d that
He admitted
there in their power to give any return of it. member
there was a difference last session between the Hon. -cknews,
and himself on this subject, and he was quite ready to :0 Hott,
ledge the accurateness of the calculation made by t
Gentleman.
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METROPOLITAN IMPROVEMENTS' in and
The Metropolitan Improvements Bill waswasb..crougandt tneol
read a first time, and ordered to be read a
Monday next.
The House then adjourned.

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nine o'clock at the terminus, got ott the rails as it WO e,IO
teeing the station. The waggon, which contained aev'LL
passengers, was overturned, and two of them were. air"`"
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BIRTHS.
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On the 29th ult., at Dover, the. lady of Captain
R.N., of a 8011.
On the 29th ult., at Addington Rectory,
near Maidstone,'
the Rev. George Paulson, of a daughter.
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MONTHLY MILITARY OBITUARY.
Lieutenant-Generals—Sir H. Lowe, K.C.13. G.C.M.G,
of 50 F. ; Sir W. Johnston, K.C.8., Col. of 68 F. ; CuninghaCor,
E. I. Comp. Sere. J
Major-Generals—George Wahab, E. I. Co. Sem;
Johnston,•
C.B. do.
Colonel—G. Miller, C. B. nnatt.
Lieutenant-Colonels—Drinker Bethune. h. p. Comnui-
sariat Depart.; R. White, unatt.; C. Bridge, late of R. Art'
Majors—Sir Rob. A. Douglas, Bt., 12 1.; Parker, 28 F.;
Bernard, late 5 R. Vet. Bn.
Captains—De Havilland, 55 F.; Rattray, 81 F. ; Lardner,
2 W. I. Reg.; Fernyhough, h. p. 40 F. (Gov. of the
Knights of-Windsor) - Mayne, h. p. 19 Dr. ; Von Steinvrehr,
h, Brunsw. Inf. ; Ileydenrich, h. p. 4 Lin* Bn. Ger. Leg.
Lieutenants—Venour, 18 F.; MacLachlan
_,_2B F.;
by, late of R. Art.; Butcher, 3 W. I. Reg.; M‘Lelland, lat 4
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1 Vet. Bn. ; IL Mackay, h. p. 22 F.; W. &Mood, h. p.
F.; Tapp, h. p. 1 Lt. Dr. Ger. Leg.; Schroder, h. p. 1 Line
Bli; Ger. I,eg. ; Wolff, do. do.
Ensigns—Woodward, 40 F.;
man, h. p. 60 F,
QuartermasteN—Houghton, h. p. 14 Dr. Sw'ift, h 12'
r. , • •
Smith,l W. I. Reg.; Katz-
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Commissariat Department—Dep. Comm. Gen. Foote.
Surfs.
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Medical Department—Surgeon Beck, h. p. IL Art. Assist.
Surgeons—Tongue,
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