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borrence for the -intolerant and onconstitutionta
opinions of the Honourable Member tor Eosex.
Was it not most •gross, tbstany Member of that
.Houqeshould rise and 'say; that any body .1 his
Majesty's subi cts ought •.to be deprived of their
right of petitioniog Parliament And if any per-
sons were peculiarly• entitled to• exercise that
right, were they, not the Cie' gy, whose character
afforded sofEeient assut aria. of the pi °Fiery with
which they would urge their it quests.
Mr. ‘VESTEBN complained of buying been gross.
ly mist epreseoted by the last lion. Gentleman,
and not very fairly treated by the Right Honour.
able Gentleman who preceded hint. He by no
means. objected to rereiYing, petitions from the
Clergy. What he objected to was, the receiving
of petitions from combinations of persons of what•
ever profession..•• For instantie, it W9S at 7 acknow.
hedged principle,dsbat although individuals be•
longing to the army might petition Parliament,
the army io a body could not do so. Air. Western
was proceeding, %vireo
The SPEAKER observed, that the Hon. Member
must he aware he was tiansgressiog the bounds
of explanation.
Mr. WESTERN bowed to the opinion of the
Chair, and sat down.
Mr. METHUEN explained.

Mr.PLUNKET (as was understood) expressed his
opinion that the petitioners were entitled to ap-
pto.ieli the Home either as individuals or in
holy,
Lord Mit.ToN said he should certaiAy not
coincide with the obset v.ition; of his 1-I,4iourable
Friend, the Member tur E-sex, it he thought
they were directed against the reception of peri,
(ions front Clergymen as individuals; although its
certainly had a doubt whether or not their petitions
as a body ought to be received. Although the
House might recrive a petition troll, no individual
Officer, if they were to allow n petition to he pre-
senter) to them by. the Ist Regiment of Guards,
they might as well abdicate their fanci ions at once.
The petitioners called themselves Members of the
Church. The whole community were just as
much members of the Church. The petitioners
were, in fact, the set wants of the Church.
After a few words from Mr. PEN. and M 7.
CARTWRIGHT, in explanation, the Petition was
ordeted to lie on the table.

Lord ALTtioaP presented a Petitio• from the
Conroy of Northampton against the Catholics
Claims.—Ordered to lie no the table.
Sir GEORGE HILL said, that he had a Petition to
present against the claims of the Roman Catho-
lics, which did not yield in respectability to any
that hail been brow; ht briore Parliament on that
subject. It was from as independent a body of
Constituents as any that returned a Member to
that fianse.—it was from the Freemen, Citizen:,
and Inhabitants of the City and Liberies of Lon-
dondeiry. It was subset ihed by the Mayor, tie
Sheriffs, the Bishop and the Dean, as well as by the
Clergy of the Established and Presbyterian
Churches. by all the principal Merchants and
resident Gently, and very numerously by rite
middle ranks of society. In short, it possessed
every quality to give-it merit and favour with the
[louse. Its language was comiliatory, but in
firm opposition to ally alteration which could in
ary degree endanger the Prottstantisin of the
Throne, of the Parliament, or of our Iteligion.--
These were the sentiments of his Constituents,
and with them he entirely concurred ; but the
wit a not only the sentiments of the citizens
Derry, but of the Protestants of the North of
Ireland, with which tie had as good reason to be
acquainted as any Irish Member who had the
honour of a seat in that [louse. Eke was con-
vinced, at the same time, that this and sim;ke
Petitioas had been thought peculiarly necessary,
and had been-voted and forwarded in consequence
at the illiauthotied declaration of 'some persons
Dublin, who, being advocates of the Roman
Catholics, had presumed to arrogate nod announce
a support of those Claim! by Prot eStalliS, which
was not sanctioned. Such boasts, together with
the taunts of die Roman Catholic Press, had pro-
(bleed this and other Petitions of the saute tell..

dency.
Mr. SHAW presented a l'efision from the Ca-
thidics of Dublin, praying fur einancipation.--,
Ordered to lie on the table.

Mr. H. DAVIS presented a Petition, signed by
above 13,000 inbAbitants of 13ristol, against th•
Catholic Claims.--Ordered to lie on the table.

Lord STANLBY, in presenting a Petition sive('
by 2000 individuals, inhabitants of Manchester
and Salford, iu favour of the Catholic Claims,
took the opportunity of observing (as it was not
probable that he should speak on the questiwi),
that the motion which stood fur that night hid
his warmest approbation.
Oiu the motion of Mr. WyNN, it was ordered
that the defaulters on the lakt bdiot should be
called over I after the ballot to-mor-
io‘v, and that no Member should be permitted
to enter until that proceeding has taken place,
At the suggestion of the Speaker, the various
Orders of the LLy were then re-rranged„.
• TIIE a
CATHOLIC QUESTION.
Mr. GRATTAN presented Petitions from the
United Parishes of St. Mary, St. Thomas, and St.
George—from the iuliabitants of St. Patrick's, St.
Nicholas Without—from the Roman Catholics of
St. Michael's, Dublin—and from the Protestant
freeholders, householders, and other inhabitants
Of the City of Dublin.---These Pttitions having
been read, were ordered to be on the table,

Mr. GRATTAN, in presenting the petitions Vrl ItC.l
'146(1 just been laid on the table, did so with es
most ardent hove that they would prove ultimate.,
ly and that their success would gift
strength to the Protestant Establishment, to the
rinicstant Church; the Act Pf Sattit.uirw, skti4

I:c• Protestant Snetession to the Crown, rts by
nw established. He hoped that what was now
prayed for would have two affects—the one to en-
snre general tranquillity, and the other to give
additional force to the empire. He boiled this
would follow from the identification of t wo classes
at present divided, and that those who owned the
same Redeemer and the same Gospel, and in ef-
fect similar,though not the same Sacraments,wonld
be united under one common roof in England,offer
up their praise and adoration to one Common
God, with all the varieties of nature, but with all
its concord also. The petitioners prayed to he
relieved from that ineligibility which had been
imposed upon them because they refused to abjure
their religion. The Catholics put in no fantastic
. claim of rights ; they merely claimed that corn-
' mon eligibility which ought to be the birth-right
of all. They called on the House not to gram
them this as a favour, hut to restore it to them
• as a right. If it were thought right to continue
„ that- sentence svhich had been enrol ced against
Nil 'them instead of lass', it was for those who favour-
ed such a treasure to prove the delinquency of the
• Catholics before they called 'on them to eoahl,sh
their innocence. The erect cauies of tie disqoa-
lificat ions formerly imposed upon them had ceased.
The first of these was the cen-ral combination

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of Ilse RO;nan Catholics of Europe—the Pretetuirr
:rt another—the power of the Pope the third.
t ill these causes were removed, and nut te-
aloee, too the passirms atmexed to them,
and the ohjecta to which those passions might be
directed were also no more, it was not denied j
that in certain eases that Howe had a right
to enact disqualifications. Ph-teemor and Pen-
, aiouers were properly disqual.fied, but the li.oise
k. had no right to disqualify on account of religion
intetfere with religion was exclusively the
principle of nature and the prerogative ot God.
But it was said the Catholics were not disquali-
fied on acroutit of their religion. hut on account
of the principles which that religion was top-
osed to sanction. These it was contended led
them to disregard the moral ohligations of an
oath. if a Roman Catholic, suppose Sir Ed-
ward Jeroingliam, was indicted for treason and
perjery, and there was offered as the evidence of
his guilt one of Dr. Gandolphy's pamphlets, the
report of his favourable reception at the Court ot
Rome—of-the politeness of the Pope—the re-
establishment of the Jesuits in some parts of Eu-
rope—what would all this tend to ? It would
fuinish an argument not against the character of
the person, but against the whole Catholic body.
It was such evidence as a Court would not allow
„which would not he permitted to go to the
.Tnry—which, if the Judge did allow, cr nd on
which. if the Jury found a verdict, the Judge
mist be impeached and the Jury attainted. Rut
suppose, on the other hand, that there was offer-
ed that oath which at your request has been im-
posed, what objection could be made ? The an-
swer would be, that it is sanctioned by sit Uni-
versities ; and if the Counsel answered thus, he
would tell them that it was the only part of the
case on which the Court had any jurisdiction ;
be would then submit the letter of the Cardinal,
and would say, that in reusing to receive it, the
Court would refuse the liberty of the subject by
refusing the oath. Then the Judge must say that
be need not trouble the Jury, as no case had been
made out. But, without questioning the power
of Parliament, or advocating for the Catholics
any fantastic claim, be would say,that the Catholic
had in common law a right to his religion :-
2d. That there was no right in any body to
call upon hint to ohjuie :-31, That Popery
or Roman Catholicity was no evidence of perjury;
and 4th, That he was called upon to abjure that
which was not within the reach of our cognizance.
To deprive our Roman Catholic brethren of their
common lave right of eligibility, was to deny that
principle on which we ought to found our own
faith, and to disobey the high order of natural
and revealed religion. But it was said that some
of the ceremonies of the Roman Catholic religion
were of a dangerous nature. When it was said
that the Roman Catholic religion rendered men
incapable of the moral obligation of an oath, that
was saying that the Roman Catholic religion teas
not divine—it was laying that the Christian reli-
gion was not received in Italy, in Spain, in
France, in Portugal, nor in a great part of Ger-
many. But did those who •taid this know how
much they said against their own religion ? It
VI•89 curd to saying that hope had conquered re-
ligious obligation—that matt had conquered the
Almighty. The philosopher, the atheist, or the
deist, heard this, and they approved of it. It
nerved the turn of each, because it undermined
that religion to which they were all opposed.—
They founded their strongest argunrent upon it,
and well they might, for instead of proving that
the Catholic religion had fallen into great abuses,
it destroyed the very principle on which the re-
formed religion rested ; which, instead of teach-
ing men to stop with the Protestant discipline,
destroyed it. It imputed evils to the Roman Ca-
tholic religion which were common to the whole
tThristian dispensation ; and if all these evils were
established, it would establish nothing but the
perjury, idolatry, and perfidy of man.. The fact
was, that we had contended so much with the
110111,111 Catholic religion that we had forgot the
Gospel,. In the zeal to continue the Catholics in a
state of civil disability, there had been established
In our wan minds a sort of negative religion,
which. was indeed hostile to popery, but which
as to Ok)r Saviour and the Gospel was nothing.
It was in the nature of contests on religious sub-
jects, that, when continued very violently on par-
ticular tenets, they led us to forget the great Au-
thor of the whole, and to think only of our an-
tagonist. Now he maintained that our strength
had its foundation c. 71 our religion, and that to
disunite those who professed the same religion—
the religion of Christ—was to disobey the prime
order of religion, both natural and revetled.--7
It was disobedience to natural religion, be-
cause its prime order was to love our fellow-
creature. Without that love adoration was not
a sacrifice ; prayer was not a sacrifice ; we
could only serve God by serving our fellow-crea-
ture. The prime order of the Gospel was the
same. Our Great Redeemer came to foster the
great principles of love to Goa and man. lie
came supported . by miracles ; supported by pro-
pbecie, ; supported by the Holy Spirit in his life

VII Ms rrort s ; aticl com:og rhos u?on cartll, Isle
command which he gave us was, that we should
serve and obey our God—thin we should love our
fellow-creatures. But we disputed the latter in-
junction—we said that our fellow-creatures were
unworthy our confidence and our love; and ac-
cordingly, with respect to our fellow-creatures,
we denounced the:..greater part of Europe, and
doing both, we disobeyed the Gospel, unless we
could prove that its benefits were confined to
those who take only two sacrathents, and unless
we can show that charity dues not mean love to
our brethren, but the mere giving, of alms. The
question, therefore, was, whether to the greater
portion of nor fellow-crew ores, in defiance of the
Gospel, we should suspend the duties enjoined by
natural religion and the Gospel of Christ ? But
the Roman Catholics were charged with dis-
loyalty, nod where was this charge recorded ?
Nut • by the 17th of the King, wherein it is de-
clared, that they are good and loyal subjects.
And when was this charge believed ? Not when
you restored to them a part of their rights—not
when, two years Hat., t, on ave them the right ot
holding commissiooa in t!ie Army and Navy, and
enabled them to defend both. it was not be-
Iteved, when we restored the Pope ; we eartied
the Pope on our backs to Rome.---(Laughter.)--
We had conceived the Pope to he a proverfal
Ptioce, who could de,hroue every Monarch in
Europe; v e found him tunable to command a single
Catholic ; we found him straaped to the wet horse
of a tyrant, deposed by his own Catholic sub
;acts. But it was a wise thing to restore him.
It was seen (said the Hon. Member) that the
danaer was front another quarter. It was seen
that Christianity of any description was safe—
tha: infidelity of any description was dangerous.
%Viten we restored the Bourbons, anti reinstated
the Pope, we saw that evert Popery might I
strengthen the Protestant religion ; we saw that
the Catholic religion was not (as it was repre-
sented to he), an idolatrous superstition, but that I
it Was a better guide to morality than that (-tw-
ilit, iv beistical philesophy, tinder which peace had
lost its stability, under which war had lost all
mercy :—we saw that it enabled us to revive the
influence of the Christian religion. And why
was al; this to be found in the Catholic religion
Not because those who professed it 'retie faithless,
but because they were faithful—because the
religion itself contained those principles which
are the means of peace and the bond of
treaties. All this had been done, and all
this had been recognized, in the Roman Ca-
tholic religion. What more was wanted ? Only
that we should persuade ourselves to establish a
religions conformity. From the moment that
you do so you establish unanimit v—in what by
uniting a Christian fraternity in support of the
Christian religion. Will you say that in doing
this yoo re-create Popery in your Religion ? lu
such a doctrine we did worse than very thing
we feared—we taught the infidel that Religion was
an artifice very convenient for stapportiog time
power of Kings, and only useful for the coercion of
the subject. But where a political conformity was
established in Europe, there was established a re-
ligious conformity, otherwise religion must be a
mere contrivance for keeping dowo the'people.--
But it was said, if the rights claimed for the Rir-
loan Catholics were conceded, that the Catholic
Clergy would overturn the Government, which
teat, as Hunch am to say, that they would apply to
the Roman Catholic laity tat exercise their new
authority for the establishing a domination of
their religion, This was proceeding upon a prin-
ciple wholly and fundamentally wrong. It was
supposing that the natural propensity of man was
to submit to a Church Government. But the
argument was carried still farther. It was
as much HS to say, that mankind preferred sub-
mitting to ecclesiastical power rather than to civil.
The argioneut came then to this—that the Ca-
tholics would rise against their King—against
their God—against their Gospel, to uphold their
Clergy—to do that for which they must deserve
to be hanged in this world anti damned in the
next—(Laughter and cheering)—that Dr. Poyn-
ter, so soon as his flock should he emancipated,
must become a traitor—that he will go to the
Duke of Norfolk (who is also to turn traitor), and
say, " Your Grace is now invested with political
power, and therefore, 1 suppose, you are natu-
rally inclined to subvert the Government.—(Much
cheering.)—Your Grace must, therefore, run the
risk of 'using your head to make me Bishop of
Norwich or some other See." All this was what
the House was called upon to dread. To prevent
such a thing from happening, it was judged ne-
cessary to have an Act of Parliament, and that
Act was the disfranchiaement of °tie-fifth part of
the population of the Empire. This was to mis-
take the drift of mankind. The tendency of such
policy was not to strengthen the Protestant Es-
tablishment, but to weaken it. NVlien Popery
was attacked, there was an attack on Protes-
tantism—the same principle, and the same argu-
ment, which was directed against the Pope, was
also directed against the Archbishop of Canter-
bury. For when the main printiptes of religion
were thus broken down, the infidel would approve
the argument, and would call it so good as to ad-
mit not only its victory over the priesthood, but
over all religion. He woad admit it to have con-
tittered the whole Christian system ; that if it did
not go so far as to admit transubstantiatioo, at
least it destroyed commemoration. These argu-
ments, therefore, were hostile to the great prin-
ciples of the Christian dispensation. When lie
looked to the greatest names that appeared in the
history of man, be could not adruit such princi-
ples, even if there were no better support for them
that, mere authority. The man who had the
greatest genius, the most prodigious mind, wea
Sir Isaac Newton. He found him a Christian.--
The man who had the greatest Rower of reason,
and the greatest knowledge of the human mind,
was Locke. He found. birri a Christian, and tole-
rant. There was that in the Christian religion
which must make the Gospel be everywhere re-
spected, and it needed no disqualification of any
part of those who professed the Gospel. to
maintain its authority without danger to the
Protestant religion. The good sense of our Own
Clergy, anti the superior sense of our own reli-
gion, would always have their sway; they
would produce that insensible conformity which
'would produce insensibly Oa utmitp ot *COQ.), if

not the unity of he:iet. tt rt'r'.S Said, however,
that the Roman Catholics, if their present claims
were acceded to, ovould not he contented till they
were made part of the Established Religion ; that
was to say, that as sooti us a Roman Catholic WAS
made a Member of Parliament, he ovoid,' wish to
be made a Minister. This was trot likely. The
real truth was, that we now wished to give the
Roman Catholics an establishment which they re-
fused; and this was the whole object of the tests
and disqualifications. The error was in forgetting
the cruises why the pains and penalties had been
given to the Roman Catholics as their own pro-
perty its the Constitution. But it was said, that
the Revolution had settled this matter beyond the
power of alt ration, unless we would pull down
the Constitution. To this he replied, that the
RevoWiwi was after all but a busman array—ahat
it did not repeal the New Testament. The Re-
volution was a great act—it was a great victory
over a hail Prince--the victory of civil and reli-
gious liberty over tyranny. Then it Was said that
the declaration was final; just the reverse—the
Revolution was declared—after it came the Act
of Union, which declares that the declaration of
rights was not final but provisional. It did more ;
it made that declaration only conditional ; fur the
Parliament then declared that the exclusion of the
Roman Catholics was not final. Therefore the
declaratmo was not only provisional, but conven-
fional ; and the Act of Parliameni which set this
• plainly forth, was a covenant with the Catholics
by the Protestants, against the declaration being
final. The Protestant faith did not wipe out the
Catholic. • N4v, the case was still stronger: there
was an Act of Parliament passed within our own
times, and that Act declared that the intention of
the declaration was not against the Catholics ge-
nerally, but only against such of them A, had sub-
mitted to the temporal power of the Pope ; it
called the declaration a "dogmatical declaration."
lo truth the elements of the Constitution were
not exclusively Protestant. The House of Lords
was not exclusively Protestant—or rather the
Peerage was not exclusively Protestant—the Com-
monalty was not exclusively Protestant. Nay, by
the Constitution, a Catholic might, as a Catholic,
sit in that House if he took the oaths, anti if he
chose to take the oaths, as a Catholic, he inig,ht
vote in that [louse 5 for the oaths required to be
taken by those who sat in that House were not
oaths of conformity to the Protestant Church.—
The oaths Administered at the bar were not of
conformity. Even this House, there lore, was not
exclusively Protestant. As to Ireland, which was
most materially concerned in this question, a pro-
scriptive systens of Government had been set up,
which prevented ail amalgamation. This, too,
had been done by force of arguments on the danger
which attended any other sort of policy. We
might argue down the human character to the
level of one own choice. But could Huy ratioirat
man suppose that any branch of the Christian
could degrade the human character so low
as those must make it who acted on this system
of proscription. What was there in extreme
unction, or in atiricidar confesicm, to red tiro pro-
scription i But it might be said, we hart been at
that work for sixty years—that we had established
our own religion by disqualifying theirs but by
disqualifying them we had set them against us—ore
had excluded them as enemies of our faith, as pro-
fessors of to religion whose principle was perfidy.
We provoked them toyise inSt its, anti we kept
them down by an arnly. 'Finis army was the tax
we paid for the benefits of our. Penal Laws, and
our Protestant Ascendancy. Moatii,tire Revolu-
tion there had been no exclusion of tbe „Roman
Catholics front Parliament, nut till 1682.; but it
was done then, anti it teas said now that it would
not be undone; that our steps could not be re-
traced,

--" Faci/is descensns awerni,
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The attempt, however, had been made. Such
a Committte as that which he now wished the
House to appoint had, on a tomer occasion,
been granted, and they had framed a Bill. The
precedent of appointing such a Committee was
strengthened by the names of those who com-
posed it. Many of its most illustrious Members
(and amongst them Sir Samuel Romilly) were now
no inure ; but many of them, distinguished men,
remained. He saw now Lord Castlereagh, of
whom his enemies must say that lie had a great
mind—he saw now Mr. Canning, whose modest
and refined genius adorned every subject which
he treated ; he saw, too, that worthy man, 1111..
Wilberforce, with whose name the confines of
Africa must resound ; he saw, too, many of his
friends bromid him, and amoog them his Right
Egon. Friend who bad frantsd the Bill. All
these now remained, and with their countenance
he called upon the House to grant his motion.—
Let it only be considered what would be implied
by refusing it. It would be declaring that the
Emperor of Austria was an idolater—that the:
King of France was an idolater—he %vould say
nothing of the King of Spain—that the King of
Portugal, whom we had planted in Anterics,
whom we had subsidized in Europe, was an ido-
later. The laws which he thought objectionable,
and which it was his main object to repeal, so
far as respected the Roman Catnolics, were trio;
one was the Declaration, the other, the Act •of
Supremacy. There was no reason why the Ca-
tholics should not take an oath of supremacy,
but then it need not be so framed as to give of-
fence to their religious tenets, though it must
contain enough to attain the great object of such
an oath. It would be only, then, to have two
oaths of supremacy--one for Catholic', another
for Protestants. But it was said that we could
not satisfy the Catholics—and that argument went
to this, that they would not obey the Gospel.—
It was admitted that they would obey the law,
but it was said they would nut agree with one
another. Indeed ! UM then was a compaii-
son. They raid they would join in praising
God, but they would damn one another.--
t Laughter.) As to the Bill which had been. framed
by the•former Committee, he confessed he thought
its provisions rather hard. The places which
it excepted out of all those which were to be
made accessible to Catholics were two—the Lord
Lieutenant of Ireland and the Lord Chancellor.
And why were they excepted ? Because it was
said the Roman CAtholics could not make good
Protestaot patruus, these
_being the great offices

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patt.oliage. vv.s S'
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you all those offices, because %'III are go' d2'
jects, but we keep from you the Lientenant,cipt
the Seals, because you ore good CalholCs'
great question, however, %vas otte (it
duty, and the great argioneot to be rippole(''il
!It" they shotild not he allowed to serve Go`'
()!1
a IVASI the pleasure of the Crown. But ';1.
on the Id* of God, there could be no (I";e9tillfsl°l
expediency. That would be to try the 4'',,'eTt',
God by the ptesompt ion of o.io, Te eto"-liii
lion of the Roman Catholics was not entire'oi
(loestioti of empire. 'Alan was to be tried 1110 ,
Gospel, and tile,Ciospel by itself. It w4,,er,
greatest command given by the greatest
that our empire approached it, it rtlcc!l
i
strength ; that whatever is tell ititodY
be politically Sate. Another argitionent tert4
the Catholics could never be attached to us. 1!
it lf
ssere they now attached ? Loot: to frel3/1(;
was desired to attach the people of (halt I,o'
try, this was the way to begilLer "s
the Great Charter, the title,secority, ,c'
et
fi rmatiort of our freedom as a peo de.
now Ist° families, who traced thiemselees 1114,
e,estors who were among those whit obtai"eb,sof
st2nature of that Chatter. The rriiresentauv`o;l
theseil two families %vete now petitionets to e
ouse—they pray us to give to them a 51°r
to /
that liberty which their ancestors 'giVeri las tl,a
(Chreling•)--=Their allegiance teas as' gow;
of any other Catholic people If -bri)llc;
most be dewed that there could b•- rer'eci►'4l r-
Vi3nce where there was a IrreC4overnmetittit4"(
mutely no safety. to the Government, i)toir',lou
‘•
even to nor religion—there could be ooabeo-1(
where there seas belief in God. But the r
tt
taut Church. 'monk be strength.elle..d lirecgt
:bet
citation of the Catholics: The streu,,,ta otit•
Church depended on the tinily of the Pe()Pie:i elr I
thete.sationfitlyffi(%)•filteligee that equality deitTetill'ilte;l
o 0 the LUOr'tt„t
.nity of inter.est, and Otat iittetest wtis give"' f:4
in maintaining the Church. ft was 01):v
years since this question bad been ogitatec"
proportion of the Catholic to the 02813 it
pulation was now as One to SIX. NO
doubt that this equalization of vriv,ile,zes --()06
strengthen at least one part of the empire it;c,
.i
strength of part was strength to the whole•o,rot
g es much most be expected from the l)1.
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harmony, trout the tituslgrl natio') of 3tfice
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of
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supposed
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a/ in,trt "t
1'(
Crown, a Parliament Protest alit in pr01")1:,,,.1J'
the preponderance of Protestants
in the 114/
!jou ; fur even if every Member tor Ilelt"'10
„ity
a Catholic, it wrvild still leave the liouseot v;;IC,
m ous Protestant in the proportion of si'ci "itll
But it had been said, that in Ireland an tl'e )IC"#
ed property would fall into the 11:11!1'111'k of the 1,1
tholics, and that a Catholic Ascendancy
0
rake place in that country. This wits
'
There could be no Catholic ~Nscentlatiey ,II
land
ll
it
to;t cl therea l.‘
)it
was
t
ofrelief h the :
which he had I • ta' ). da(4,
reaoy mew omen was;tit ft)
an alarm was excited, and all
ft
was exclaimed that the Church ss'tas
—that the Establishment world I) e
The Bill was lost. Bit if • ; 01Whll1(1°
Noble Lord (Lord Castlereagh) radoceti tlic •
Bill two years ago. The Bill seas lteas :retoi 6°4:,
time—aseeond time—a third time---n° tri6'riC
tt ;—it was taken to the Lords----re'' t,rittet
time—recut a second time—re tort ed
'podded unanimous approbation--Clae
011 /100;
assented—the Bill became an act
baineut. This shewed the unreality of rro
apprehensions which ascribed danger ti) l't'
testant Church, unless toie-sixt'i tart of-
Polatton were continued looter political
Ities. Butt the Noble Lord's IBM had r-c.,5(;;;
he did nut see how this motion could tie oPr-o.al
would it be said that a man conld not be,,tri°
with vote in the [louse, thou,th ""rlt
safely made Commander-in-Chief ? 1)111:111`.
whole war they had fought with us awl
quered ; from the continencerr►tell of
when our enemies came dote() of th(1.5:100'
to the water's edge, till its conclusiou, tebc'.eo,
fleets had swept their squadrons troll) thei
and
our armies had det,tro e licit
when we bad fouz4lit against YtiA ties
tiani'y,o
ft h
Heaven,l( ut gb t
'fieas ,• 'Ce teliteoetic);:atistev:;;
attr it,te'
cause
and
il
allies. But when the strogirlt., Aktv•lts‘)'ver,
greatsi cause triumphant—when 'those wit 7)
shared our dangers in the field sought t°, ;le4hrs:,
(totted to an etilial enjoyment of polltiC3' µel
their services were immediately for "'"l''iurl'(4
were Catholics—the allies of heaven were 3 litoOr
of idolaters. Under the various lines tott
hints, there was some distingois.hilta P°llllt6
.ietiefit granted to the people w
auspices
jie‘bee:l•ll4
race of Princes under whOse
bestowed. The Priti!Aveiiet 111(1) •s •t 1 "9 I\l'l,l
Charts—the Tudors had' given 't
4 "t 1 40'9'.01'
there was another Act, which witsogil(:l‘)redot'fict;eo
more to the glory of our Ito ai Ntifl4ll‘)/`$
of our fellow-subjects—oneY '‘th of thcis.
population of the kingt'olts. ss:seire. :tow '`.?"
restoration to their political ritthts• The 14',,t,r1-1)0,,#
the !louse lianover was tt,. he.fin their
c.ipcion; let it du that, and then it ring 'l%h
',1%0
11111(tHhe(f,,t( the Plantagenet awl the Tti'l°r'
T. leo! be mon concluded hv inoving, ottl'°/
hat this House du re-ols• • • • , e otnittee do*
whole Muse, to coltsider't I.c illt"
''''.‘",ll-c1.431.1.ciii
his Mujcst).. Sohj,cts prof "f
11".
l't(ja-
the itile 'Lr/
giunt so i:11, as th.e same- re.:'"l.l Itoti'-,RtuRI,") for►
uncut of c;vii °dices 1,,,,11:1".t '1")•rl•vii 150-I,IW
with a view to doe/1;11;1C. Wht:t‘hrtr.:VarellT.llJlVct'Art the so°
nuuy lie itItC;110.1."
MI . CHOKER rose to second the Itsoti°°' ffrr
felt smile apology was doe to the 'loose for 001'
itN himself so early to its attetstio,l 01 50
ant a question. and lie trtisted that io
had to say a proper a Mlo be footio. ogritr
Right 1-100• Geotteolwi gt
Luau{'!
Aid( 17‘
Parliatneut passed two veal. ago, r°°"'l(l/11/
but greatly affect the 1100'e.tod the C°°ll.vitii;
.natnely, the to qualify Catholics for sel r
lie had the honoi,,_ver
in the Army and Navy.
introducing that Bill, which had n°t
passed without some observatioils. *With rel.oll.l'
to the B.otnati Catholics being excluded frt" ;,ti
ces of the 6tate, it had been ;Iraritablv
"m:
Grentile ,wrn—" ‘Ve do exclude 111.
a j :Lev excludt.; theossely-s

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