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London, England, 1826-03-04 00:00:00

HOUSE OF COMMONS.

MISCELLA NEOLTS.
A pt fittin presented a Peprirt of the 42ortunissioners of the
-General Penitentiary at Illilhank.—Ordcred to be printed.
tier G. Covrwytar presented a petition against the Manz
.chestcr arid Liverpool 'tail-road.
The SPNAKEIt was afraid that he had not sufficiently ex.

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plained himself on the subject of presenting petitions against
Bills in iota, lie wished it to be understood that the view he
took of the subject was that no person could claim the right of
being heard againit the preamble in general, but only upon
those parts of the preamble in which he was interested. Unless
the petitioners could prover that they were ilitert.Xted in certain
chuses of the preamble, they could not call upon the House to
'authorise the Committee on the Bill to hear them against the
principle of it. , •
The Petitien wits then presorted and referred to the Com-
mittee, with. permission tip the petitioners to be examined on
diva parts of the preamble in which They were interested.
Colonel .TItEXCH obtained leave to bring in a Bill to. build a
new (laol m the town of Cumbridge.
Lord G. Sow: Rove presented a petition from the 211anufair
term op the eity of 17aiiint, praying, fur a further Reduction in
the Duty .on Coalti--Ordered to be printed.
Sir Coottatt presented a petition from the Coroners o?
tieretbni pr„ying for an increase of theft fees.,-Ordered to be
printed.
A !similar petition was presented front the Coroners of tilou.
colter by Lunt tl. SO)ll.o4trr.—latiti on the table.
'CUItIVEN moved that there should be laid before
and other oars!
-the llouse an Account of the Doty on.

'the last threw
petition from numerous
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lered.
ill°u4r7awrviolenr:inF:ttle'rtrouenn'tyaoll(l,!'teirt'eetrsfoi!df.riinitilt,alottehydeetit;ininwt nutipc::
wards of one thousand men were at present
Long-line and White Sea Fishery, in the town of Htingarvou,
whose support, and that of their families entirely depended
thereon. That_ the:prosperity of the Irish Fislteries was of Lila -
deepest interest to the commercial succees, and neval strength.
the United-Kingdom, and which had hitherto been protected
by various Acts of Parliament for tbli ptirpose. Itut that these
Acts having lateljeexpired, they were unable to suppress prac-
t res ruinous to the petitioners' and to the interests of the
i Fisherits. :11e, therefore prayed the House to take -the peti-
tioners,preyer into consideration, end to addpt such Measures
for.their relief, is in the wisdom of the House would seem ex-
pedient.—Ordered to be printed.
111 r. -WOODHOUSE proved that an Account, stating the
Average Priceof Corn.during the last six years, should be laid
before the 4ouse.—Ordered.
The Hon. GENTLE MAN oho moved, that there. shOtild %is
laid be:ore the House a Copy of nil Cotiniti.iniceticins received,
by Government from the different Consuls abroad relatiVe td .
the Price of Foreier. Corn during the same period.
Mr. BA RING informed the Holioltrable Gentleman that he
could procure all the informetion he wanted nn :that subject
trout the Report Ol Mr. Jacobs, Which had been laid before
the House.
514 VERY. ,
Mr. HbwrvirittOrl presented x petition against Slavery from
the inhabit:Lots of Oreenwich.—Ortiered to be printed.
The HON. 31E318 ER also presented a similar petition from
the Johabitanot of Coggeslitill...:::Ortiered to he printed.
Similar petitions were presented,frem the town. of Uxbridge.
anti its Vicinity, by Mr. Byttg from the tun of Lincoin, by
Mr; R. Smith ; from the Inhabitants of the town of Arlington;
in the East Riding of Yorkshire, by Mr. Sykes ; front the.
town of Chertsey, in the county of Surrey, by Mr. Denison
and by Lord Lowther, frotn the town of !Gotten and, its Vie•
cinity.--:Ordered to be printed,
CONFERENCE 18 VIII THE LORDS.'
Mr. Secretary CANNING, and several other Meitibers, went
from the house Of Commons'to, the House oe Lords,. and bad is
Conference with their Letdships in the Painted Climber. In
theicourse of the.conference, the Resolutions of 1823 were sub-
mitted to their Lordships, and they retired to acquaint ,their
House of their purport.
HALF-PAY OFFICERS.
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taken Holy Orders from reeeifinif
after they Mid. taken Orders; ant thereby they had been pre..
vented from Making their, choice of the tern proteesloos. The
regtilation had been issiled by the Admiralty, and he felt die-
posed tq doubt whether it 'could be enfotced epithet these two
gentleniett, for they werein feet in the 4 tmy: Their Commissions -
Were signed by the Kiug, and this was not the case in the Navy.
They had rank in the ;Army and not in the Navy, and their
wives, received pensionsas wives of officers in the Army.. When
he harlinentiorred the circumstance of the halr.paY alloweAtti
officers some time ago in the House, in llom-Mernbor bed
stated that the,,,halt.pay was niit only remiitteration fur past
services, but also a retaining leo fer their appearance when,
.called upon; These gentlemen, he argued, were not to be corei
sidered in that light, for they were on the ti ernoutent half-par
list. They had been permuted, After a length of service, to en.;
ter on the permanent half-pity list in 1816.—PetitiOn was laid
on the table.
Sir G. COCKBURN Was esttremelY sorry, to oppose the pe-
tition, but lie could fissure die Hon. Member, the reason why'.
the Admiralty had adopted the regulation of not allowing Offi4
cers in Holy Orders, to receive their half-pay was, that theft
deemed it utcompalile with the situation o 1 an Officer to take
Holy Orders. A Committee (ibr the purpose of putting the
army and navy qn an eiltiality iegard to cerotio restrictions)
had been held, and it ,was decided that the regulations relating
to half-pay adopted by the army, should for the,future be
adopted also by the navy. The tinny had et that time made a
regulatioo which prevented offieete Fri half pay from taking,
Holy Orders this (herefore, had beeri,odepte& by . Ow- navye
Tlie error had been intliired to dra* op this initiation, because
at that time commissions in the army Were looked upon as
mereltandize, and the most, extensive speculation =Tied on
in the percliase and disposal of them. It'roar nothing on.:
common for :m person at that time to purr:lime commision
one day and sell it the nett, and retire on half-pay. Ile road
stilly that • the regulation hail depriited any praiseworthy,
v 'dual, but he was sure ihat the Admiralty would hot turn
a deaf ear to tilt Petitions of Persons who were reduced by
this regulation to any personal inconvenience. The Admiralty
hail only done their duty in enforcing the regulation. Ile wed.
the last ma,n who would throw any obstacle in the way of a
deserVing officer who had been injured its its eetlireemetit.
A Mt sttiEn. (whose name we coiilti not collect) agreed
with the Honourable Baronet, and was sure that the Att. .
tniralty had only done its ditty to the Coutitry in ittloptiog
regulation which was equally applicuble to 010 Navy as td
the Army.
Sir GEORGE CLEIIIt said it would be unfair to the Officer,
of the Navy, who were struck off tom the service, when they
entered into Holy Orders, if secresY net the subject shearld he is
protection to the Maine& The returns laid before the House
on the first March, 1822, stated that none of the officers on lutM
pay were in holy orders ; but in July of the sonic year, when
returns were required of thenumber itf officers, their ages, and
the professions in which they might have engaged, the very
Oentleuum whose case was now under consideration, stated that
he was about hi enter inui Holy Orders, and to beconie an as-
sistant in a school. So it was clear that he had not then been
ordained, and when he had taken, orders in the year 11123, he
wits fully aware oldie condition tinder which he did to. He {Sir
U. Clerk) did not conceive that there was any provision in the
Act to Geo. f l I. which warranted the inference that Officera
• were thereby licensed tti enter into the Choral, stilt retaining
their half-pay. That Act indeed nein-nasal Officers to engage
, in certain employmente, but such only its Were not incontisteqt
with the restimptiori of their military duties, as the ecclesiasti-
cal state evidently was. If the House were of .opinion that
there watt any individtial hertlithip in the present tnstance, it
was but fair to grant individual remuneration. • To such an at-
raegement he mad no objection, but he was decidedly opposed
to general regulations foentled upon
.the particular ease. it
Was unfair with relation to the Navy ; anal even in the Army,
the Duke of York conaidered It quite improper that
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yohtiigeestrrlvicott oukvsheArilicefirteotaripnothtual
nit of selling out.
Sir C. COLE was for taking a general rather than a parti-
cular view el the question as it concerned Alerine_OtHeers on
the iialf.pdy establishment; years Ago when the lion. Alernbei
for Liverpool designed to bring in a Bill for increasing the
amount of Half-pay, he was dppotted on the 'ground that the
Ilelf:yay.tailiccrs were in general yotuig men, and cupable of
entering into any profession they pleased for the improvement
of their finances. On the faith of that public intimation, rm
great number of Officers actually entered into Holy Orders, and
subjected themselves to many responsibilities, by. matrimony,
and other engagement:l,olo they would .certainly have avoided
but for,the emu/ranee Which, wits held out to them of the contino
ante of their pay. It was therefore cruel and unjust, he contend-
eti, to abstract from them at this period the little pittance of 501.
a.year, which, though tibial in positive amoont, was yet of
great importance to tile petrel officer, burtherted, perhups, with
the charge of a large family. He thought that there were
many, Other Matters In whisk the ordeal of economy and re-
trenchment might with more propriety be puritited. 'To remove
an imputation from the character of it Most respectable Clere
gyrnen, and to disabuse the Gallant Admiral who had uttered
et' iKwrong impression,. he wished tip state, that `Mr. Wit-
tlihaem:teltviiic_
diet not
tlrctryht4rets:4pi .lily errnistitiolatire to
m oretitvirce, until he had
wined a severe hurt in his knee, which rentlefed him' fur
the i
for
eferrittg the
requ eat
Sir C. LONG recommended that the flelf-pays i val 10411'66
of the Senice should be put on ,e fair footing. Ofilerf clf:011,i!
army who le.d taken orders cane allowed to ttuli,out r reit e
.
niiriliot4, while ri=nse of (he i;,,Vy were not,
the. reititithl wit*.
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lington'; by Mr. PitittiPS, from Calton, in Lancashire ; by
Sir T. WILSON, from Ledbury, in Herefordshire; and the In-
habitants of Blandford-street; by 'Mr. F. BuxTox, from the
Parish of Gillingham, Stadwick ; Ross, in Hereforshire; Dart-
mouth ; Chatham, Stroud, and Kingsbury, in Kent; South
and West Corringham, in Nottinghamshire; Beckford ; the
Clergy of Wentworth ; and from the Inhabitants of Monmouth,
by Mr. BERN AL, I'M' Rochester; by Mr. OIIENVELL; from
Leamington.—The petitions were ordered to be printed.
Mr. CUKTEIS presented a petition ap•ainst the Corn Laws,
and made some observations as to the real advantage which poor
farmers would derive front the repeal.
Lord Mt L'reN and Ali. PELltam replied in a few words.
The Petition wag ordered to be printed.
loiLECTION "JAWS.
lord 1., RUSE ELL obtained leave to bring in a Bill for the
more easy discovery of Bribery and Corinption at Election's.—
Read a first time, and orderf'd to be read a second time on
Thursday next.

. , *SCOTCH CU ft REN CV .
Mr. II uAt r presented a Petition from the Magistrates anal
Town Council of Cuirass agaime any alterations in the present
state of. Scotch Currency—Ordered to be printed.
BLSCA I QS PITA
Sit ChARI,ES 110 NO obtained leave to bring in a Bill for
consolidating the several Acts relating to Chelsea I lospital.
Bead a first time, ordered to be printed, and- read a second time
ou Monday.

CROSS ROADS.
Alderman Wool) presented a Petition from an Individual,
praying .that the Enclosure !tills might be so aniendeif as to
ansere a foot patlein Cress roads for the convenience of pedem-
.trian traveilera.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER thought the
Prayer of the petition prima facie reasonable and prof: r, and
that the same convenience ought to be affbrded on the cruse
,joule as existed on the highways.
COLONIAL STATUTES.
Mr. BROUGH A5l put a question to the Secretary for the
'Colonies, as the nature of the relief afforded by the Colonial
Legialtoures to the Slave population, and as to how fur that re-
lief had been established by Rills or Acts.
j11r..-N,V,•,n ORTON replied, and stated that the relief was
- elf :mite] by ,Acts passed by the Local Legislatures.
Mr. BROUtifIAM said, that compulsory manumission, at
an enlargement of the shin, when able to purchase his freedom
et the appraised value of his services, independently of the
consent of his toaater, was not established by any legislative
. enactment.. The cart-whip anti driving system continued; and,
except the Acts of Jamaica, nothing was done as to slave
evi-
dence. There were twenty colonies, including HOnduras, the
Cape of Good Hope, and the .conquered Colonies. Of those,
thirteen had legislative asmembliei. It was said that seven of
them had adopted measures of antelioration ; but unless sOnte
,change: had taken place since the 422i1 of last November, not
more than three had passed any legislative measures as to the
reimisaibility of slave evidence, namely, Tobago, Barbedoes,
and Dominica. The Act of, the hat had been passed eight
years since, and so could not be said to come within obedieace to
. the Order in Council. 'ln Tobago the evidence of a slave was
ulluwt d,in one case only, where a slave was murdered by.a free
ow; and where slaves only witnessed the act. In Barbadoei, the
evidence of.tt aleve could not be received., unless he produced
a Cenifiaite of his credibility Crain a regular Clergyman of the
Establishment ; though the Order in Council required only
the certificate of any Clergymast,, whether Protestant, Catholic,
or Dissenter. • The fict was very properly disallowed by the;
Ministers 'of the Crown ea making the shaves' condition Infi-
nitely ,worse than .it was before: It was said that five Colonies
took measures to legitimate the marriage of, slaves; but he
found that such, improveuteot WAS confined • to Bahama alone,.
where the right of the master was still reserved. The right of
property was also stated to lusve been secured to the Move
but he found that it was in Trioithul and Demerara only,
the Order in Council was promulgated; and in the latter place'
its proutalgation was productive of mischief rather than good,
by the. omission of that clause which established compulsory
menuntission, thereby inthitating to the other' Colonies that
tliat order. Was retracted by Great Britain. In Trinidad the
elavehad a right of propertv-; but he was *Whited from cul-
fleeting any of the staple, articles of the island, and .therefore
excluded t'roin theanly means of purchasing his freedom. In
five of the Cohmics, it watt said, that the separation of families
on a scale of slaves was prohibited. It was true that in either
Tobago or Granada several partial measures of the kind were
introduced. A mother could not be seoarated front her child,
but a husband told wife might he divided. The regulation,
.so far as it went, was good ; but a great deal inure watt
necessary. They were told of modifications of punishment
which took place in eight Colonies ; but instead of eight, he
was only aware of one Colony, Tobago, where a reduction of
punishment ems agreed tq, 39 lashee having been brought
down to '2O. But then the Act was so mixed up with other
measures which defeated its beneficial etfects, that it was not
admitted by illinistera. The Acts or.,Alitigatiou were enu-
merated as seventy or eighty. Ile would, therefore move for
returns,of the Acts which had been passed since the loth of
May, 1L123, for promoting the religious instruction of the altiVes
—authorizing their marriages and their i»arannissione-prohi.
biting their separation by the Sokol' those attachedto estlttes
restricting and regulating the punishments inflicted by masters:
_.distinguishing the titles and dates of the Acts, and the Places
. or their enactment—and whither the' had been allowed or dis-
, allowed. Ile would further,move for Iteturns of the Papers
whiehlind arrived since the 20th of Dee.—These would ale*

•linwfet:iftet;t;;L:(7l;ente which had been 'Mule were bortie.out by
• cum, Heil whether burnt eir good had ben thine... TM*. Was Im-
, portant , tIS great misapprehension. must have arisen from what
passed on a former evening, an to what had been done, unless
.rouch more Watt doue then that which appeared.,
51r. W. 110:".TON replied. Ilia Right lion. Friend lied
110 L Itle ea diet there was #{). entire compliance on the part of the
legislateres, with the,Order In Council ; hut that there wait
. no.. eontuaracy. As to the disallowance of the . Tobago and
Bahanta,Acte .by Ministers: he could assure, the ilonoureble
Alernher that he wits inieinformed. Ile was quite willing to
go further than the motion required, And to present to the
/hese a tabular. arrangement and analysis of the. Clomial
Acts, so that their import could be seen at a single view;
besides laying the Acts themselves upon die table, according
to the usual practice of the House. In the Colonial Depart-
ment he was for some time deprived of help of the-Coloniel
Counsel. The lion. Member for Alontrose was the one who
,rnaitily, prevented tke Colooinl Departments from being pm-
'Peal ntanned ; and the Counsel having been compelled to
devote his ettention to duty :daring several Months for ten
hours a Mir for want of an atotiataitt to divide the labour wit's
.bitrt eo suiPred in constitution that he wits obliged to abSene
in order to ritrieve bin health. If the (louse would
not sanction the employment of a proper number of ;resistants,
the )(ebbe business would fleet sati ily be et a stand. \Viten
the Colonial Estimates catne before the Howie, he would un-
derinkeito eliewohat the greet encrease of work required a
Pro PLit ti On lir Le encr Ci ISC Of Per it )11 to .perform it. In several in„
Ntanees compulsory inanuntimion was rather injurious, as it pre-
. veritcd voluntary manumission which would otherwise take
pleee. lie thetight the Coemy of Demerara entitled to great
credit for the way in which they received the Order in Council,
considering the eiretitneteneee in which they rood. lie would
persist in his assertion, without regard to the sneers of the lion.
gentleman opposite. In Trinidad the slaves. were only prohi-
bited from cultieraing those staple articles which were peculiar
to the island.
BltOUGHAsLinquired in what Colonies the Order in
Council was receivetlai law.
Mr. W. iiORTONVr replied, in St. Lucie, and as the lion.
clent!.:lllan w/114 titiitire; in Demerara. In a fortnight hence it
would be the law of the Cape of Good Hope, arm in Tobago.
.In the 'lsland of 51eurititts a little more delay would be requir.
ede'as the Commissioners there could not receive it so soon.
Mr. HUME objected to the appointment of Mr. Stephens to
the place of Colonial. Counsel, insastimelt as he coneidered his
father the roost determined enemy to the Colonies.
(qr. W. HORTON would make it a question for the Profes-
sion of the Bo to decide whether a train': private feelings
could be supposed to interfere with his nubile duty. 'But inde-
pendently of that consideration, he could assure the 'louse, that
Mr. Stephen never entered into consultation with his father
Upon Colonial subjects, To his integrity, abilhy and attention
to professiomil duty he (Mr. W. 11.) bore the most unennivocal
testimony. When, his father had published a pamphlet in
which he called the Order in Council mere trash, he was there-
by passing a censure upon the work of his eon.
IVIr. F. BUXTON egret(' with Mr. W. Horton in the view
which he had taken of Mr. Stephen's character. Ile was aware,
from reconvereation with Mr. Stephen, the Master in Chancery,
that he had arrenged neverto hold any communication with his
son upon Colonial allitire.
141 r. I UNIE explained. 110 114 no intention, he said, to
. disparage the character of Mr.,Stephen.
The, motion was then put and carried.
Mr. B ROUtillAill rose to give notice, that on the 20th of
April lie wouiti move for have to bring in a Bill for ttmeliorat.
jog 60 eon4i duo of the Slaves.
COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY.
Lord PA IiMERSTON moved the Order of the Day for
of SilPply,—The question hiving
going into a Committee.
been put 2
colonel DA VI 'S
said that he would moire. for a Select Corn-
mittua to
expenditure of the country.
consider the mliftarY
that were allowed, he won't' then agree to going into :a Corn.
mitten or supply, „n 4 would have no objection to the grant of
qilartees supply The lion. Afern.ber took a comparative
e.„ fi
thnaoco,
.anti resources urthis country and that of
France and. eru.a Atil **, and contended that our inibtary establish.
:trent was enaeniousty disproportionete, Ike particulerized the
„garrison' or, Gibraltar, and. the tro.ops stationed in Canada, as
,extrernely overgrown for their services respectively. con-j