The Sun.
London, England, 1819-02-18 00:00:00

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Sir .1, NEWPGRT was understood to .iay that a ceneral
misconception had prevailed in Ireland respectine the 53d of
the King, the Act which fixed a particular period fur entering
into recognixances in casts of Election Petitions. It wai
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itersiiod that its provisions did not extend to Ireland, and in
4"4:ing' juin the Act, he found that the name of that country
bad h,-i•u omitted. He trusted therefore tit the House
:sunlit net he Over severe in the obscrvanc of the law, by
excluding Irish Petitions in whiLh the recognizance, had not
been entered into in time.

Mr. 41YNNE admitted the importance of the subject, and
thought that sonic inquiry ought to take place into the state
of the notices given.
At the snggestion of the SPEAKER, an order was made
for it Return; describing the state of notices fur Irish re-
eognizanccs.

HIGHWAYS.
Mr. PROTHEROE rose to move for a Select Committee
to take into consideration the Acts now in force regarding
the Turnpike Roads of Frigland and Wales, and the pro-
pjet), of adopting' certain regulations for their repairs and
preservation. He stated, that at the close of the last Parini-
stient he had moved for papers on which to found an inquiry
on that subject, which he intended to have left as a legacy to
abler hands. He wished that the trusts of public roads should
be committed to persons of science and education, and when
it was known that those roads comprised an extent of 25,000
miles, that their original cost had been 7,000,0001. and that
front 1,'200,000/. to 1,300,000/. were spent annually upon
them, the House would see that the subject was one of con-
siderable importance. It was the opinion of the Committee
last year, that if certain improvements were carried into ef-
fect, commerce would be greatly benefitted, many articles
w•ould be brought to market at a reduced price, fewer horses
would he employed, and an expence of five millions saved to
the public. He concluded by moving for the appointment of
a Select Committee.

Mr. GIPPS seconded the motion, and hoped that the Turn-
pike Act and the Private Way Act would also be taken into
consideration, as they were at present but little understood,
and Magistrates had much difficulty in affixing the penalties
which they imposed. He wished the number of horses should
be left out of the question, and the penalty laid on the weight
alone.

Sir M. RIDLEY inquired whether the Hon. Mover intended
to call for a return of Turnpike Trusts from the present pe-
riod, or prospectively.
Mr. PROTHEROE was understood to answer prospectively.
Colonel WOOD bad no objection to the Committee, hut
hoped its inquiry would not be confined to turnpike roads
alone. The whole system should be sifted to the bottom. It
was intimately connected with the Poor Laws; for how could
so many of the poor be in want of work, when 1,500,0001.
were annually spent on the public roads ? Be wished the
statute duty to be done away, and the poor to bit employed,
instead of being locked up in workhouses.
Sir 11. PARNELL said, that he had been requested by the
body of Coaehmasters to bring forward a motion to the same
effect as that of the Hon. Member, which should therefore
receive his support. They compliined that whilst the road
duties were doubled, the roads themselves were not made
better.

The motion was then agreed to, and the Committee ap-
pointed.

CLIMBING BOYS.

Mr. BE.NNET having moved that the House resolve itself
into a Committee on the Bill for abolishing the use of Climb-
ing Boys,
Mr. GRENFELL praised the exertions and humanity of
his Ilon. Friend in having brought such a Bill before the
Douse. I-is belonged himself to a Fire-office, and had en-
quired this morning from the Secretary what number of
ciiiamies usually took fire within stated periods. The answer
had been, front Co to 70 every month. On looking back to
those which had been on fire for several months, he had
found that the proportion of these which caught fire after
having been swept by machines, was only two oat of sixty-
five! He had OM enquired what proportion of chimoies
were swept with machines? To this no direct answer could
be given, but the Secretary had stated that thousands weru
now swept in that manner. These facts fully proved the
safety, and he might even say, the additional safety of em-
ploying machines instead of boys. They also showed that
the object of his Lion. Friend was not visionary. It had been
objected that Parishes would no longer have the means of
sending out boys on that degrading and destructive employ-
ment, hut that was an argument which, however good for
parishes, would, he trusted, have no weight with the Douse.
A MEMBER, whose name could not be learnt, gave his
entire and most cordial approbation to the measure, and
stated, that the only chimney which had ever beets on fire in
his house, was one which, contrary to his usual practice, had
been swept by a boy.
Mr. ()AIM/INNEN' gave credit to the Hon. Author of the
Bill, for the humanity of his intentions. But he hoped that
he would nut foieet that a certain class of chins-flies could not
be swept at all by machinery.
Colonel WOOD thought the Hon. Gentlentan could not
have read the Report of the Committee, when he recommend-
ed the partial use of climbing boys, notwithstanding the adop-
tion of machinery. He could not be aware of the horrible
treatment and sufferings which children of a tender age ex-
perienced in that employment. If there were chimnies in this
Metropolis which could not be swept any other way, then the
sooner they were burnt down the better.—(Laughter!)
Mr. BROUGHAM said, although its in general disapproved
of all legislative measures interfering with the principle of
free labour, yet in this case he agreed to the Bill, because it
went to protect those who were not of discretion, and had not
the power to protect themselves. The great question to be
determined was the age to be fixed in the Bill. Twenty-one
he thought too old an age, and conceived the proper age to
he fixed, would lie that at which buys could be considered as
suf./ars:a.. The principle of this Bill had been already recog-
nised by Parliament in an Act mentioned in this very
The great purpose was to alleviate a great aml complicated
misery.
Mr. DENNIAN was sorry to disturb the unanimity so de-
',irable in such -a Case as this. But lie thought that this Bill
carried the principle of interference too far. If it were true
that machinery swept chimoies so much better, so much
more economically, and so much more safely, than climbing
boys, he could not think that the British public would per-
List in an inhuman practice, and therefore thought such a
Dill unnecessary, When he looked into this Bill and saw
that it give a single Justice the power of convicting on
the evidence of a single witness, and all this without the
intervention of any Jury, he did think that a very strong
case must be made out—stronger than any that he had
yet heard made out for this Bill, before he could he in-
duced to vote fur it. The House should consider well be-
fore it agreed to pass another penal law; for he considered
every additional penal law a great public evil. He had every
confidence that the humanity of the English public, and the
utility of the machinery itself, would be sufficient for the abo-
lition of that cruel practice which it was the object of the Bill
to prevent, without the necessity of having recourse to a Le-
gislative measure. He thought it strange that greater pains
bad not keen taken to make the advantages of the machinery
known. There ought to he hand-bills in every family, and
-notices in every street, mentioning where those who wished
to hare tkeir chimnies swept II y machinery should apply.
Mr. GRENFELL explained.
Mr. WILBERFORCE said he had lived long enough to
have seen the insufficiency of that argument which had been '
*Jut.' by the Hots. and Learned Gentleman (Mr. Denman).

rri,sre
wet e r.rrrny more that i ht.:country in which
an invention was discovered, was not always that in which its
benefits were most extensively felt. He mentioned vaccina-
tion as an instance of this. In most countries of the Conti-
nent vaccination was so universally practised, that instances
of death by small pox went very rare, whereas in this coun-
try, where vaccination was first discovered, such were the
prejudices against it, that thousands died yearly of the small
pox. He thought the Hon. Gentleman who introduced this
Bill de,erved the thanks of all the friends to humanity.
After a few words from Mr. BARHAM, the House resolved
itself into a Committee on the Bill.
On the motion of Mr. DENAfAN, " two or more Mazi-
strates" were substituted for "one or more," &c. in the
elau,e relative to convictions.

In the clause fixing the earliest age at which boys might be
bound apprentices,

Mr. BENNET roved to Ell up the blank with " the age
of fOurt ten years."
Mr. OMMANNEY wished some earlier age to he fixed. He
could not agree with those who gave such exaggerated ac-
counts of the miserable state of climbing boys. It must have
been remarked by every one who had seen chimney-sweepers
it) the street, that they were generally laughing, and the ex-
es-ion of tfleir countenances cheerful. It had been said,
that when boys who had served their apprenticeship to chim-
ney-sweeping grew up, they were a burden on the parish.—
So far from this, speaking from extensive experience, both
in London and in the country, he could say he had never
known an instance of a chimney-sweeper becoming a burden
on the parish. On the contrary. when they could not find
employment in their (Mu profession, they went into the
Navy.--(E.aughter.)
Mr. BtNN ET put it to the Committee, whether they had
ever heard that the trade of chimney-sweeping was a nursery
for the Navy ?—(.anghter.)
Sir ISAAC COFFIN declared he had serer beard of a single
chimney sweeper being in the Nary.—(Laughter )
The other Clauses were agreed to, and the Report ordered
to he received on Friday.

filnio at.d raitinfest cases to Judge, is not for.
bidden.

According to this liberal interpretation of the
Divine Saviour's charitable atin►onitiou—ull are
damned without retrieve, be their arts what they
may, whom the Roman Catholic Hierarchy pro-
nounce to he Heretics ; that is to Say, all who
profess a religious Creed differing from their own.
St. Matthew Bth. 29. Lest perhaps—the good
must tolerate the evil, when it is so strong that
it cannot be redressed without danger and dis-
turbance of the whole Church, and commit the
matter to God's judgment in the latter day, other-
wise where ill men, be they heretics or other
malefactors, may be punished or suppressed,
without hazard or disturbance of the good, they
may and ought by public authority, either spi-
ritual or temporal, to be chastised or executed.
Here is loyalty and liberality with a witness ;
the good must tolerate the evil, when it is too
strong for them to overcome, and be charitably
satisfied with the eternal damnation of ill men,
whether they be heretics or other.malefactois.
But when it shall be in the power of the good
to puni,h or suppress heresy or other
then it becomes their duty to chastise offenders or
put them to death.

The plain English is,--We, he good, that is,
the good Catholics, hot being able to redress our-
selves without - danger and disturbance to our
Church, will endure the evil of your Protestant
Establishment at present, and comfort ourselves
with the thought of your eternal damnation; but
when you may he punished or suppressed without
such danger or disturbance, you nosy and ought
by public authority, either spiritual or temporal,
be chastised or executed.

St. John 14th.28. My Father is greater than I
If the heresy and disease of the time were Atian-
ism, we should stand upon those places, and the
like against the Arians, as we now do upon others
against the Protestants, whose Sect is the bane and
disease of the time.

Here we have, in the most plain and explicit
terms, from the most Rev. Dr. TRoy, and his most
Rev, and Right Rev. and Rev. Coadjutors, a de-
claration of bitter and irreconcileable hostility
against that Establishment, to which they pro-
less such sincere and unshaken loyalty. Protest-
autism is the disease bud bane of this time, and
that which is diseased and baneful ought, of
course, to be removed by the stro►►gest possible
remedies which Civil or Ecclesiastical pharmacy
can apply.

Surely the bitterest enemies of the Emancipa-
tione of the Catholics could not have adduced
stronger proofs of the impolicy and mischief of
such a measure, than they have themselves here
afforded !

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