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having actually served three years. The present
amount of these pensions was 60,0001. It was there-
fore deemed fit to impose some farther restrictions
to prevent its increase. The Committee recom-
mended that the total amount of these pensions
should be reduced to 40,0001. as soon as possible,
and that that sum should not for the future be ex-
ceeded. This recommendation was approved by
Government, and would be embodied in the Bill;
which would also further provide, that no indivi-
dual should be entitled to a pension until 15 years
after the (late of his first appointment, and that
nobody should receive a pension of 2,000/. unless he
had served two years as an Ambassador.
Mr. HUME seconded the motion. From the
very year in which provision was given by right to
the clerks of offices, accumulation in superannwa-
tions had gone on ; and he therefore trusted that
there was no lion. Gentleman in that House who
would refuse to concur in the measure proposed.
Sir H. HARDINGE contended, that with re-
spect to the clerks of the public offices, he thought
they could not be fairly compared with the clerks in
banking-houses or merchants' counting-houses be-
cause the latter had the power of mitking their for-
tune by successful efforts, while the former could
never, in any instance, rise above a salary ; and he
therefore thought that the Government clerks had a
right to expect to be rated at a higher salary than a
private clerk.
Mr. MONCK thought that public clerks were
quite well enough paid.
Mr. W. SMITH had been informed, that when
the offices of the St. Catharine's Docks were to be
' filled, upwards of one thousand clerks had applied for
situations, and it was therefore pretty evident from
this that there was no• dearth of them.
Mr. PEEL thought it highly 'necessary that those
appointed to pnblic officeS should 'receive such a sa-
lary as to enable them to appear like gentlemen—
(Hear, hear)—and it was in this respect that this
country had so great an advantage over every other.
In his opinion the salary was, generally speaking,
too small---(llm,hear)—and after giving four and
twenty years of their service to their country, they
were only entitled to retire on 3001. a-year.
Mr. Alderman WAITHMAN said, that in pro-
posing to cut down the salaries of the Government
clerks, they were beginning at the wrong end—
catching the small fry, while they suffered the large
fish to escape.—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. MABERLY approved of the measure, be-
cause it was general.
The Resolution was then agreed to, and the
House having resumed, the CHAIRMAN moved fOr
and obtained leave to bring in the Bill.
•On the motion of Mr. S. RICE, a return was
ordered to he laid before the House of the names of
the Butter Tasters in the several ports of Ireland,
and their emoluments.

ORDNANCE ESTIMATES.
On the motion of the CHANCELLOR of the
EXCHEQUER, the Report of the Committee of
Supply was brought up by Sir A. Grant.
On the Resolution being read for granting the
sum of 24,935/ to his Majesty for the salaries of the
Master-General, the Lieut.-General, and the other
principal officers of the Ordnance,
Mr. HUME, for the purpose of having his opi-
nion recorded in the Journals, and without any in-
tention of pressing the question to a division,. moved
two Amendments—the one to reduce the sum to
24,3351. ; the other to omit the words " Lieute-
nant-General."
Mr. JOHN WOOD pressed the necessity of a
reduction.

Mr. MABERLY regretted the evident indkpo-
sition of the House to take a single step in the re-
duction of the public expenditure.
After a few words from Sir H. HARDINGE, bOth
the amendments were negatived, and the Resolu-
tion was agreed to.
Several of the succeeding Resolutions were agreed
to without comment, among others a Resolution for
granting the sum of 78,849/. for the remainder of the
Ordnance Extraordinariesi.
On the Resolution being read for graudiC the
sum of 20,237/. for the expences of the Barrack
Department,
Mr. HUME wished to know whether it was in-
tended by his Majesty's Government to carry into
effect the recommendation of the Finance Commit-
tee with respect to the reduction of the pay of Bar-
rack-Masters on foreign stations ?
Sir H. HARDINGE said that, it was not.

Mr, MABERLY admitted that the Finance Com-
mittee had dealt out a severe economy on this sub-
ject ; bnt as his Majesty's Government had pledged
themserves to attend to all their recommendations,
with the exception of that respecting the Lieutenant-
General, he thought that they were bound to redeem
that pledge.
After a few words from Sir H. HARDINGE and
the CflaiScaLoß of the ExCEEQUER, the Resolu-
tion was agreed to,
On the Resolution being read for granting the
sum of 30,0001. for the military works at Kings-
ton, in Upper Canada, and at Halifax, in Nova
Scotia,
Mr. E. DAVENPORT • was desirous of know-
ing, if the Right Hon. Gentleman coal give the
House an assurance, that the estimate on this sub-
ject would not be exceeded ?
Sir H. HARDINGE said that the probalsility
was that it would not be exceeded.
Mr. ROBINSON wished to take this opportu-
nity of entering his protest against the doctrine
broached last night. He thought it was absurd and
ridiculous to say, that the time was now come when
the question ought to be put to the colonies, whether
they would separate from the mother country or not.
Even if gentlemen regarded the colonies merely as
a matter of pounds, Shillings, and- pence, such a pro=
ceeding would be most unwise.
After a few words from Mr. MABERix and Mr.
W. .. •
Mr. HIJME moved as an amendment to the Re-
solution, " That it is in expedient, considering the
present financial state of the country, to engage in
erecting military works in British North America
requiring so large a sum as 2,833,6901."
Mr. WAIT HM AN opposed the-grant.
PA.LMER said the Government had
been led into this expence, and it was now the duty
of the Hopse to contronl it,
Mr. XIQNCK opposed the grant,
Mr. WARD thought that Government had se"
lected what • 'would- ultimately prove the nheapgst
and best mode of defending the Canadas.
After a few words from Sir M. W. RIDLEY, Mr.
BgETT, . and Sir E. OWEN, the question was put
and carried s7:;thout a division.
The next vote, that sqtrn not exceeding 135,000/.
be granted for improving,• in -62 ,the communica-
tion. 4 between Montreal and Kingston, ;was eari'ied
without a division.
CORPORATE FUNDS' BILL.
Cor Fund
The larder of the Day was then read for receiving
the Report upon th p
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u
Mr. S. RICE brought p oratethg.l4 'Bill.
F
Mr. FYLER considered the Bill as unjustiffaW
interference with vested rights, and of a nature simi-
t9 the many Bills recently passed with reference
to the iigi4 of Corporate Bodies. He should move
that the pt be 1.04 tbqr day three months.
Colonel ~1T4.Q11? felt 'N43 .d ,aty to oppose
the Bin,
Mr. S. RICE sg.Ppcfeo Oe Moion.
Mr. ROSS opposed the Motion, and contendpd
that • g
the Hoh. Alember for Northamn ouht that
tc) have taken. the course he had takpento with respect
to th)s•
ig4BEw.y defended the conduct of his
Hon.-Relative, who was now 4hsfint with his Regi-
ment in Ireland. deprecated the unfair and 1.
manly course taken by the liop. Member with re-
spect to his Hon. Relative.
The SPEAKER—" Order, order !"
Mr. MABERLY—Sir, I beg pardon of you and
of the House if I have been hurried by my feelings