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Several Bills on the table were then forwarded a stage, and
the House adjourned.

HOUSE OF COMMONS, July 18.
The House met. at Twelve o'clock.
LUNATICS BILL.
The report was brought up and agreed to, and the Bill was
ordered to be printed with the amendments.
DUBLIN JURY PRESENTMENTS BILL.
The report was agreed to, and the Bill ordered to be read a
third time on Monday.
ECCLESIASTICAL PATRONAGE (IRELAND) BILL.
This Bill was read a third time and passed.
DRAINAGE OF LANDS BILL.
This report was brought up, and the Bill ordered to be read a
third time on Monday.
JURORS' BOOKS BILL.
The Rill went through Committee, was reported, and ordered
to be read a third time on Monday.
POOR-LAW (SCOTLAND) BILL.
The report was brought up, and the Bill ordered to be read
a third time on Monday.
THE HIGHWAYS BILL.
This Bill went through Committee, and the report ordered
for Monday next.
VALUATION (IRELAND) BILL.
The House then went into Committee on this Bill, and on
the first clause being read, a discussion ensued, in which
Captain Jones, Sir T. Fremantle, and Mr. Sharman Crawford,
took part, and the clause was agreed to.
On the reading of the 2d clause, after an observation from
Mr. S. CRAWFORD,
Sir T. FREMANTLE said that the valuation was divided
into three classes—those counties in which the valuation by
Mr. Griffiths had been completed, those in which it was not
yet begun, and those in which it was partially proceeded with,
and he thought it would be better to wait until the valuation
was completed before they proposed any alteration in the Bill.
After some further discussion the clause was agreed to, as
was also the 3d and 4th clauses.

On the sth clause being proposed,
Mr. S. CRAWFORD moved that the following clause
be inserted after it :—" And be enacted, that in respect of all
valuations of lands to be made under the provisions of this Act,
the Commissioner of Valuation, or the Sub-Commissioner ap-
pointed to value the same, shall base his estimate of the rent for
which the premises might be reasonably expected to let from
year to year upon a consideration of the productive
powers of the soil, according to the natural qualities
of such soil under a fair application of labour and skill in the
improvement and management of the same, and under such
rotation of cropping as such Commissioners shall deem most
suitable to the quality of soil and the circumstances of the
premises; calculating the value of the produce at such prices
as he shall ascertain to be the average of the prices of the
five years preceding the time of such valution. And
after having made such estimate of the value as aforesaid, and of
the proper and reasonable rent as founded thereon, it shall be
lawfulfor such Commissioner (and he is hereby so required) to
take into consideration whether the premises so valued are
affected by any peculiar local advantages or disadvantages,
which might operate on the fair letting value, and he shall
thereupon raise or reduce his estimate of value and rent ac-
cordingly : provided always, that in the return which he
shall make of his valuation, the amount and causes of such
addition or reduction shall be specially stated, and also the
prices of produce at which such valuation shall have been com-
puted; and in all casses he shall make his valuation on an esti-
mate of that amount of rent which, in his judgment a solvent
tenant might be fairly expected to pay, according to the quality
of land and circumstances of the premises."
After some observations from Sir T. Fremantle, Sir R. Fer-
guson, and Mr. S. Crawford,
Viscount CLEMENTS objected to the Bill proceeding fur-
ther; there were only three Irish Members in the House, and
not more than sixteen Members altogether. He objected to
the principle of the Bill.
the principle of the Bill from the commencement to its ter-
mination. The Noble Lord then moved that the House be
counted, and added that he would take every means in his power
to defeat the Bill.
Mr. GREENE, the Chairman of the Committee, then
counted the House, and there being only twelve Members
present, he quitted the chair, and
The SPEAKER having entered the House,
Mr. GREENE reported that he had counted it, and there
were only twelve Members present.
Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, and after an in-
terval of about a quarter of an hour, sufficient Members were
found to constitute a House. Upon the question that clause 5
stand part of the Bill,
Lord CLEMENTS objected to the motion, and saiclhe would
divide the House upon it.
Strangers were again ordered to withdraw, but no division
took place, in consequence of the Noble Lord (Clements) not
being able to find a second teller. The clause was then agreed to.
On our entering the House we found
fir T. FREMANTLE requesting the Noble Lord to allow
the Bill to proceed, as it was really a measure calculated to do
much good in Ireland, and it was necessary it should ba carried
during the present session. He did not think that the Noble
Lord had fairly considered the provisions of the Bill.
Sir R. FERGUSON trusted that the Right Honourable
Gentleman the Secretary for Ireland would allow this Bill to
be an experiment in those counties where no valuation had as
yet taken place.
Viscount CLEMENTS protested against imposing upon the
Lord-Lieutenant duties which could be performed by grand
juries. He certainly should do all he could to defeat the Bill.
Clauses up to 14 were agreed to, with a few verbal amend-
ments.

On clause 15 being proposed,
Mr. SHARMAN CRAWFORD moved that it be expunged,
and that the following clause be inserted in its place :—" And
be it enacted, that if any person or persons shall find himself
or themselves aggrieved by any order or decision of such Sub-
Commissionei s, it shall be lawful for such person or persons to
appeal to any sessions of the peace to be held in the presence of
the assistant barrister in and for the county in which such
order or decision shall have been made, within four calendar
months next after the making of such decision or order afore-
said, or if such sessions shall not be held before the ex-
piration of one calendar month next after such cause of
complaint, then such appeal shall be made to the next follow-
ing sessions. And be it enacted, that the justices and the as-
sistant barrister before whom any appeal shall be brought are
hereby empowered and required to hear and determine the
matter of such appeal, and to make such order therein as, to
them shall seem fit, which order shall be final and conclusive
upon all parties."
Sir T. FREMANTLE admitted that the system of appeal
under the Bill was imperfect, and that it had been a subject
that he had found it most difficult to grapple with. He thought
the subject ought to be considered.
Viscount CLEMENTS thought the clause most objection-
able, and he should, therefore, support its expulsion. He
objected to the appeal being sent to the revising barrister, but
should have no objection to its going to the petty sessions. He
was in hopes still of their being enabled to put off this Bill to
the next session.
Mr. SHARMAN CRAWFORD trusted that the Right
Hon. Baronet would consider his proposition before the report.
If he would do so, he would not press his amendment at this
stage of the Bill.
Sir. R. FERGUSON thought the subject of appeal ought
to be well considered before it was finally determined upon.
Sir T. FREMANTLE said he would consider the proposi-
tion of the Hon. Member for Rochdale, and trusted that they
would now be allowed to go on with the Bill.
Viscount CLEMENTS thought that the Chairman should
report progress. He had no objection to them taking that
part of the Bill that related to counties that had not been
valued, but he considered it an outrage on those that had.
After some discussion the clause was agrepd to.
The remaining clauses were then agreed to, and the report
was ordered to be received on Nlonday.
The proceedings of the House were then suspended till five
o'clock.

The House resumed at Five o'clock.
Mr. THOMAS DUNCOMBE moved that the Committee
on the Bolton and Leigh, Kenyon and Leigh Junction, North
Union, Liverpool and Manchester, and Grand Junction Rail-
way Compan►es Amalgamation Bill, have leave to report forth-

with. -
Mr. M. GIBSON opposed the motion on the ground that
the people or Manchester were opposed to the measure.
Mr. DUNCOMBE said three days would be lost if the
House did not allow the report to be brought up new. The
opposition in Manchester was as feeble as any opposition could
be. and as little deserving the notice of the House.
Lord G. SOMERSET thought that, under the circum-
stances, the House ought to assent to the motion, on the un-
derstanding that the report would be printed, and in the hands
of Members to-morrow.
Mr. T. DUNCOMBE was understood to agree to the con-
ditions.
Mr. BRIGHT said that the interests of the public ought
to be considered as well as those of the Company.
After a few words from Mr. CUBDEN not heard in the
gallery,
The report was brought up and ordered to be received.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL presented a petition in favour of
the Ten Hours' Bill.
MESSAGE FROM THE LORDS.

Several Bills were brought up from the House of Lords.
NORTH WALSHAINI SCHOOL BILL.
This Bill was read a second time.
SMALL DEBTS BILL (No. 3).
The SOLICITOR-GENERAL said he believed that the
Bill he was about to introduce had met with the unanimous
approval of both sides of the House. He proposed
that as he had several clauses and amendments to add to it,
that the best course would be now to read the Bill a second
time, and go into Committee pro forma. The clauses and
amendments could then he printed with the votes of to-night,
and placed in Hon. Members hands. The further considera-
tion of the Bill and any discussion on it could be taken next
Monday in Committee.
Mr. WAK LE Y was satisfied with the Bill as it stood. A Bill
was very much needed to correct the evils of the one passed last
year. He thought they ought, before consenting to the course
suggested by the Hon. and Learned Gentleman, to know the
character of the Bill as altered by him.
Sir .1. GRAHAM considered the course suggested by his
Noble and Learned Friend the best that could be adopfed, as
Hon. Members would be possessed of the printed amendments
before their consideration being entered upon.
The Bill was then read a second time, and committed pro
forma, and the Chairman asked leave to sit again on Monday.
CASE OF ELIZA PRICE.
Mr. T. DUNCOMBE wished to call attention to the
case of Eliza Price, who had been imprisoned for
stealing a halfpenny-worth of coals.—( Hear, hear.) She
had been chained to the grate of the back-kitchen of the
house of the officer who had taken her into
custody, and when her sister called in a few days after, she
complained of the state in which she was, and requested that
some soup might be given her. (The Hon. Member read the
statement made by the sister.) He thought this a case of
gross oppression—a girl confined during four dayesto a back
room, chained to the grate ; and he thought that it called for

it quirt'•
Sir JAMES GRAHAM said that the case referred to by
the Hon. Gentleman was perfectly new to him, but he would
direct a letter to be cent to the Lord Lieutenant of
the county, requiring him to raise the question, and
when he should be in possession of the facts,
he would lay thorn on the table of the House.
OTAHEITE.
Captain PECHELL asked the Right Honourable and
Gallant Baronet opposite (Sir George Cockburn) whether
any intelligence had been received at the Admiralty relative to
certain indignities which it was alleged, in a letter published in
a morning newspaper, had been offered to her Majesty's ship
Talbot ? The letter stated, that unless the captain of the
Talbot acknowledged the French protectorate, and saluted
the French flag, she was forbidden any intercourse, except
with the Salamander, stationed there also, and French boats
were sent round the Talbot in order to prevent any communi-
cation with the shore. The captain refused to , but
sailed away from the place in disgust, leaving thesubmit Salamander
at Otaheite.
Sir G. COCKBURN said that if the Gallant Officer had
given notice of his question he should have been able to answer
it more fully. He would, however, state that no reports had
been received at the Admiralty conveying intelligence to the
extent mentioned by the Gallant Officer.
Captain PECHELL gave notice that he would repeat the
question on Monday evening next.
FLOGGING AT WINDSOR.
Mr. WAKLEY said he wished to ask the Right Hon.
Gentleman the Secretary at War a question arising out of a
report that appeared in the Morning Chronicle newspaper on