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of years lie bail been eompe!leil to suinnit to many
priration.3, and hod made wear ,aelifices to pro.

vide for the payment of Ilia cre,fitors by i:tsttritt,T,

on his life. That for a consiaerabie period he ii,l
been obliged to live on a very narrow income. That
by setting apart a large portion of his income for
the liquidation of his debts, he had succeeded
reducing them to a sum not exceeding 70,0001.—
That thus circumstanced he and his Royal Con-
sort were compelled to lie under obligations to
personal friends, which ill befitted their rank. To
extricate himself from his situation, his Royal
Highness was desirous of parting with his house
and manor At Castlebar, in the parish of Eating,
in the county of Middlesex, for the value of the

same. His Rayal Highness was willing to. make
this sacrifice-, rather than stiffer his creditors longer

to remain unpaid, or Jiis Royal Consort to he
deprived of the comforts appertaining to her rank
and situation. •

Mr. Alderman IVooD, in rising to move for
eave to bring in a Bill founded on the Resolu-
tions of the Committee, was sure the House would

remember that, nu all common occasimai, he vas

he great opponent of Lotteries. Bitt he, with

an tionourai;le. Eriend of his, were
.of opinion,

bat the Lottery for which they desired to obtain
he sanction of Parliament, would not be one of
hat immoral character which he had been ac-

costumed to oppose. The prizes and blanks in it
would be decided by the drawing of the State
Lottery, and consequently no additional tempta-
tion to gambling would be held out by it. It was
not in his opinion a lottery like. this which of- •
tered to speculators the full value of
_the sums,
which they were called upon to venture, that were
the most objectionable. He had heard that it was
reported that the
_property was worth but 15,0001.
Now, there was absolutely a mortgage on it of
50,0001., and it was very seldom, indeed, that
estates were mortgaged for much above their
value, and be was told it had cost 120,0001. If
11 he were permitted to bring in the Bill which he
wished t'o introduce, such he should assure the
House was the popularity of the Duke of Kent in
the City, that the whole of the tickets would be
immediately disposed of. They would indeed have
been already sold, had not the sanction of Parlia-
ment to. this Bill been wanting. He knew a
person who would pay down the value of the
whole of the tickets, it the Bill passed. And
what made the Duke of Kent stand so high in the
City ? It was that -Which he had done that gave
him his popularity, for where was there a Prince
who had done so much to promote the public good
as he had done. Not only had he revived many
dormant charities for the relief of the poor, but
he had been the means of creating not al few
_new
onv. He was at the head of almost all the cha-

rities in the City, and so much was his time occu
pied by them, that there was hardly a day in whicl
he was not called upon to attend a charity sermon
or_a public dinner.—(A laugh.)---This might ex-
cite a smile 1
_but he would say to those, who in-
dulged in it, " go thou and do likewise," and, if
this advice
.were taken, he was confidenvehe effect
wotthl be a great improvement in, the morals of the
rising generation., But he was to be opposed on
the ground that there was no precedent for the
motion he was about to make, or. if precedents
somewhat similar could he adduced, it would be
found that they were connected with public im-
provements. Withotti going back to theAdelphi,
he could name four or five instances where lotte-
ries had been sanctioned that had not for their
obj'ect any public improvement. The Adanses,
he might remark, bad been allowed to Wee re-
course to a lottery, .not to effect any public im.
peoeeniente but to diiliose of buildings, which
having begun, they found themselves neable to
fiuieh. . He might refer to the Pigot Diamond
Lottery ; to the Lottery sanctioned by Parliament
to enable the unfortunate specelators in Picket-
street to pay their debts ; and also to a Picture
Lottery recently authorized, which he was told
contained nothing but, trash. On a recent occa-
sion too it would he recollected, that the Home
had granted a Lottery to the Bankrupts connected
with the Bridge at Sii.nderiand. He having be-
come a creditor there, had had four tickets in that
Lottery, and the HouSe would be surprised when
he read to them the 'letter. which he had re-
ceived concerning them. He had not known
that it was in his possession till tleat morning,
when inquiring of one of his. family what had
gone with the tickets, they were produced, with
an extraordinary ewe, which he would read.—
[The note was from the assignees to the bankrupts,
and addressed ter the creditors. It stated, that
having, by great perseverance and private inte-
rest, obtained an Act of Parliement for raising
30,000/. by the sale of tickets for a Lottery, they
now required the assistance of the creditors ti,
dispose of the same, without Which the Act would
_prove abortive. They proposed that each credi-
tor should take 'tickets to the amount of two
shillings in the pone'd.]—ln till's note, it would
be seers, there was absolutely an assertion made
that the' solicitor to the Bill hail 1130 " private
, interest," its order to get it passed. This would,
he thought, appear to the House, as it did to
bitif, to be a most extraordinary declaration. Iu
the eese immediately before the firiuse;that which
the'Delte of Kent wished was this, that be Might
he enabled to pay his debts by the stele of his pro._
petty. lie could wish ee et y man, from the pi ince
eo the peasant, animated by the same feelings ;
and he should not care how many such. Lotteries
were proposed. Ilis Royal Highness bad for se-
veral years been in* the habit of putting aside
three-font' f:8 of his income to pav kis debts.—
Half of them had thus been liquidated, end he
was willing now to give up hie property to pay
thteretnainder. Not one shilling of the money
so raked. woeld 'tie kept from his creditors, and it
it siinuld' tebt ler;i'stlftkient 16 satisfy-their claims,

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lic would still go on depriving hims&t of A large
portion of his income as heretofore. He had
now dune his duty in 'bringing ibis subject f -
ward,.and it, was for the Gentlemen opposire who
had candidly told him that they meant to oppose

his motion, to state their reasons for doing so.—
The House of course, if they should agree to the
present motion, %you'd nor pass the BM till the
value of the property was proved. Ile couelmi.
ed by moving for leave to hringin i Bill to ena-
ble his Royal ,Highness the Doke of Pleat to dis-
pose of the Manor-house of Castlebar; in the pa-
rish of Ealina in the cou'nty of 'Middlesex, LI

Public Lotte Cy.
Mr. GUENFELL was of opinion that the public ;
services of the Royal Duke,t he value of the pro-
petty, and the former Lotteries' which Lad been
referrcd,tri, bad nothing to do with the question
pow '.befote, the House. lie culled upon the:,
HOnse to consider ►what would belt he consequences
of sanctioning a principle like that on which the
preient Motion Was founded. if on this occasion
they favoured a Lottery to enable the D ot
Kent. to raise 70,0001. on what
,prL,ciple could
they refuse permission to auy other individual to
dispose' of property in the same ?—(F6ear;
hear, hear !)-=-He thought they owed it to theta►».
selves not to stiffer such► a MU tO be brought in.
Mr. Hums Would be much disposed to concur
with the lion. Member for Marlow in what had
just taller) from him, if thiS hail been the first
measure of the kird ever-proposed to the House.,
but after 5 or 6 such Bills had passed, it was rather
odd 'fiat it should row for the fist time be disco-
vered that to accede to a snot lois like that before the

louse would be to establish a dangerous pret.-e-
-cnt. The course taken by the Hon.' Member

near him, who had questioned Ministers on a
fortner occasion as to what they meant to do with
respect to a Private before the. Committee re-
potted on it, was, in his opinon, a proceeding
wholly without a precedent. Was it because the
Duke of Kent was son to the King that he W 33
to experience opposi7ion that would be offered to
no other subject) Ilthis were not the feeling,
why should a question be asked on a topic of
which little or nothing could be known. iWlit n be
(Mr. Hutite) applied to the Chancellor of the Ex-
chequer on thii head, he had been t,dtl that
there was .no precedent for such an application ;
he had,. however, found, that the possessor of
the, Pigot Diamond had been allowed to dispose of
it by a Public Lottery, and it could therefore
only be said, that there was no precedent for the
application, because the appit.ant was a Royal
Duke, and had not the rights of a humbler sub-
ject. The Right lion. Gentleman, however, had
stated, in a candid and manly mannerfthat he dis-
approved of the application altogether. On find.
ing that there was a precedent, in the case of the
Pigot Diamond Lottery, for that which had been,
desired in favour of the Duke of Kent, he bad
made a second tepresenta'tion'on the subject to
Ministers, but without effect-. For three years
past the Duke of Kent had retained of his income
but 7,0001., the remaining 17,0001. having hcea
regularry Set apart for the liquidation of; his debti.
It was only when it became a Itiestion whether
he should sell his prOperty "or' desert the country,
that his Royal Highness had determined on taking
the step 'ott which the Motion now before the
House was founded, It was then that he said,.
I will put myself in the situation of any other.
subject, apply for permission to dispose my
property hy, a public lottery, and I hope Ministers
will 'not refuse my request." He was sort y that
the approbation of Ministers had not been ob-
tained (for the Chancellor of the Exchequer had
bad the candour to say his opinion remained-un-,
changed), but he thought himself bound in jus-
tice to,the:Duke of Kent to state the grounds on
which he considered him to be entitled to that for
whichhe'had applied. Few perhaps were aware.
that at the age of IS, in the year 1785, the Doke
of'Kent went to Hanover, where he joined the
Han Over Guard, when such was the provisiots
made.
for hint, that there was no son of a Womble
romitioner in that place "who did riot receive a
higher allowance 'froth home than his RoyAl
Highness. It would hardly be believed that for
five gears after he went abroad, no more than two
pistoles a week were allowed him for pocket- a
money. Coming in contact as he most day after
day with the sons of wealthy commouers; what
could be expected but that he would be compelled
to borrow ? This lie accordingly did. It was lu-
cked in his situation unavoidable, and in 1790,
the debts thus contracted amounted to 20001.
Had the same provision been made for hint ,as foe
his elder Brothers, he meant to pity his debts its
an honourable manner, but be was never permit-
ted to enjoy the same allowances. From nano.
ver he was relllloVed to Gibraltar, and Irona
Gibtaltar to Canada, where he re!miined for
some years the Colonel of a Regiment, receivine.
but a small table allovvanye. From"l79o to' i 799,
exposed to ail those calls for clarity which' never
fail to pursue an individual of his exalted rank, it
was not, to he expected that he could do any citing
to reduce his debts. Not only was he,:incapabl
of doing this, but they necessarily increased. lit
the year 1793, he received orders to pot himself
under Sir Charles GJey, to prucred to the attack,
of Martinique. - Instead of waitiog, as some Offi-
cers world have dune, to be taken up at Canada,
in otd,r; to avoid unnecessary delay.i. he itornedia
male procr6led without loss of lime through the
United States of America towards hiS desCna-
tion, Doing this, he had the tnisfortiwe to-lose
the whole of his equipment on one of the Lakes.
Fo'r this loss be received no remuneration till air-
teeo years had elapsed. At last, during the Ad-
ministration of Lord 11: Petty, he received the
sum of :40001. in consideration of the loss he had
sustained; the interest of which alone had cost his
-50001„,. -He knew it ,would be

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4.111 of Kent liFoi received a ston
iniOiso,- from t Droits of Admiralty. This was
!ruv, butot it had gone to his cre-
ditor?. At Martinique, Guarialoupe, and St.
Luti., he had distinguished himself, and after-
,,eards winning to Canada, he served there till
huaith compelled !Jim to leave Amei-ica for
It was not, however, till ill heilth
m ofe it absolutely necessary that be shoal(' re-
Iwo, that his Royal Highness quitted Canada,
riste.ql of Irving it as other officers do, without
ttly such reason to off-cr. He returned to England,
at last, at the age of 32. he received his Par-
It.l,nentary allowance of 12,0001. per annum. He
Wl' 4"w-ri loaded kvith a large &lit, the interest
hien up in that time he hail rego.!arly
toai(l, and whi-b he had attempted to reduce by a
ruokins, fund )clan, which, however, as in anotip.r
ca,.e, had not prevented the increase of the debt.
he house would remark the great distinction
wade between the Duke of Kent and his Royal
Brothers. The Duke of York received his Par-
liamentary allowance at the age of 21, and a
large allowance it was; the Duke of Clarence,
~yho was only two years older than the Duke of
Kent, had his Parliamentary allowance when he
was 24 years old ; the Duke of Kent, as he had
already stated, did not receive his till he had at-
ta.wed the age of 32. Why was this difference
made between the Royal Brothers ? It was the
withholding of the allowance of his Royal High•
taess so long that was the cause of his getting in
debt. It was not by debauchery that he. bad be-
come involved. Not a shilling bad he wasted,
unless indeed it were in oCtS of charity, Some
had supposed that, because he was in debt, it
'followed of course that this must be the result of
divstpation and needless profusion. lie denied
that this was the fact. Economy and propriety
had marked the Duke's conduct, and the system
which lie had adopted was not surpassed by that
erf any private Gentlemen in that House. In
'fairness and in justice he would say, that his
Royal Highness was entitled to receive his Par-
Namentary allowance of 12,0001. per annum for
the years which had passed from his being twenty-
four years old to his attaining the age of thirty-
two. This would he but 96,0001. and this grant-
ed t“ him, his Royal Highness would not be one
chilling in debt. The Duke of Kent bad not re-
ceived fie Parliamentary allowance when his Bro-
thers did, and had therefore been unable to pay his
creditors ; but from the moment of his obtaining
his preset income he had begun to make large
vain itices to get out of debt, hut this he bad never
been able to accomplish. It had been his misfor-
tune at Canada to lose 23,0001. at three different
times. The burden this had thrown or, him claim-
ed every shilling advanced to him from the Droits
of Admiralty, and unable to satisfy his creditors
with his present means, he now carne forward to
ask no more than any other subject might ask, to he,
allowed to dispose of his own property by a Lot-
tery., After a service of eleven years, his Majesty
was pleased to promise his Royal Highness the
first vacant Government. Gibraltar fell vacant in
1802. He was removed to it, not because he was
the son of the King, but because he was entitled
so it by his military services. It was well known
on what grounds be had been recalled, by many
who did not know the circumstances : it was
thought a charge against hint that the mutiny had
broken out.--(Cries of Order.)
Mr. CANNING spoke to order. He called upon
the Hon. Getoleman, as a matter of discretion, to
eouiider if the present motion tiecessarily led to
the discussion of the mutiny at Gibraltar, and he
put it to him if it would be well to disturb such
topics at that moment.
Mr. Hume said, if the Right Hon. Gentleman
had known what was to follow, be would not
have objected to his speaking of what bad taken
place at Gibraltar.
Mr. CANNING had only spoken of the mutiny,
as that which ought not to he touched upon.
Mr. Hors: E knew charges were abroad against
his Royal Highness on account of the mutiny.—
(Cries of Order !)—One cause of the embarrass-
ment of the Duke of Kent arose from the allow-
ances which be was entitled to as Governor of
Gibraltar being stopped from him. They were
trensmitted to England, but never brought to pub-
fle account. That which his Royal Highness
ought to receive went to some fund or other in
England, on which fund he bad a fair claim to the
amount of such remittances. If these were given
to him, and the sumo which be had before shown
his Royal Highness to be entitled to, he would
pay off the whole of his debts, and have an excess
eemaining in his hands of not less than 50,0001 i
The 'Honourable Gentleman referred to the man-
ner its which Ministers had acted by Sir James
Cockburn, fortuetly Governor of Curagoa, and
contended, that it was not too much for him to
call on them to do by the Duke of Kent as they
bad done by others. lie (the Duke of Kent)
;cad applied to the Government repeatedly, but
without success. Before Mr. Pitt died, an ar-
rangement teas in contetnplation which would
have enabled his Royal Highness to pay all his
'ruts ; but the death of Mr. Pitt prevented this
fro,u being carried into effect, and all
sei:seqiient claims preferred to the Treasury had
proved iaeffectioil. Front 1816 op to the present
time, the Duke of Kcut had regularly set apart
;7,0001. ft oin his income, to liquidate his debts.
lie deprecated Lotteries as much as any one, and
so lung as lie tegiAllied in the House this feeling
would be marked by his vote ; but the present case
lie thought a fair exception. The Doke of Kent
,sight to he placed on a footing with the rest of the
Place him in the same situation
with tie Duke of Sussex, the least favoured of all
,lie Royal tawily. Give him the sums due to him
a, Governor of 13ihraltar fruit the fund to which
:hey %Tete paid in England, and which, in the
years before he. left Gibraltar, amounted to
90)01. Git e him the arrears of his Parliamentary
allowance, and he would pay all his debts, and
have 50,0001. remaining. Without these lie had
Tito meal's of paying his creditors but by the means
11e had now proposed, 811:i this being known, he
(Mr. Hume) wtim suprised at the manner in which
qoestioo had beep met. Knowing the Duke
of ii,ut to ha pure—Loowing the exertions l.e
?.lad privately made, and the motives by which he
way amnia ed, he could not but regard his case as
a 'Pry hard one.-a-(Murmurs.)—lf those who now
-apresseit ditigatisfaction felt for an individual as

lle did for the Diilte of Kent, they would not dis-
approve of his warmth. He would det3in. the
House no longer, but he could not help—for he
felt that it was his dots—offering this explana-
tion of the motives, cundocii.and situation of the
Royal Duke.
Lord CMTLEREAGht thought the House would
see that they ought not to sanction the principle
on which it was proposed the intended Bill should
he broirg,t in. It the House agreed to th,e pre-
sent motion, he knew not the case in which they
could ever refuse an individual who should apply
for a Lottery, es e more advan!ai!eous way of
disposing of prOperiy, than carrying it to fte
market or ontiiii!, it up to auction. He owned,
that art the. applic,ut Was a P..ince of the 810
he cmild not refuse the application without pain ;
but at the sriflle tune he must say, this Was the
last case in which he could wish to establish a
precedent. The lVorthy Altlerman bad alluded
to the respect entertained for the Royal Duke in
the City He was ready to acknowiege that his
Royal llihues. S had done much good; but to
suppose that the property he might wish to dis-
pose of would be readily purchased from the feel-
ings of esteem created by the individual, was
really to give the transaciion such an eleemosy-
nary character, that every friend to his Royal
Highness ought to raise his voice against it. No-
thing, he wds sure, could more hurt the feel-
ings and the character of his Royal Hie,liness
than such an eleemosynary grant. With this
feeling, and not seeing th.,t if this were granted,
any application of the same sort could with jus-
tice be refused, he must oppose the motion. lie
legretted that the Hon. Member who spoke last
had entered into a statement which seemed to cast

a sort of reproach 011 the parent Ai COlldllet of Ihe
King..—(licar, hear considered nothing
could he more StlOl%lY OPPOSed to the feelings of
the country than such hingstage, Find the compa-
rison between the siTnatiuus of the Royal Brothers
which had been invidiously brought for wara.—
These were vestions fit to he entertained by
that House, but they certainly ought not to
be gone into when they Were not regularly brought
tinder their consideration. At one period, not

veiy remote, during the existence of the. Gren-
ville Administration, the sitioition of all the
branches of the 11oya1 Youily tool been btonght

before the House. The case of the Duke of Kent
had been brought under its considera ion in the last
Session of Parliament, on the occasion of his mar-
riage, and therefore, as it had been twice discus-
sed and twice decided upon before, there was no
occasion for bringing it forward now. At all
events, he thought it was too bad to make that
sort of statement which they had just heard, with
respect to the conduct of his Majesty towards his
eons in their early hfe. Those who knew the
former habits of the King, knew that this was a
topic on which he would never suffer one of his
Ministers to speak to him. With respect to his
family, his Majesty was always determined to act
for himself. For the Duke of Kant, he had pos-
sessed an income of 70001. per annum for nine-
teen years, as Governor of Gibraltar. This, with
his military pay and Parliamentary alto Nance,
made his total income at Oita moment between 31
and 32,0001. per annum, which was about 11,0001.
more than the income of his elder brother. He
could not but think that his Royal Highness
would regard those as his best friends who voted

against the present motion, as he was confident
that this, on reflection, was the last mode in
which his Royal tiigl►ness would with to be re-
warded.

Air. Hume, in explanation, said, he bad meant
to draw no invidious comparisons between the
situations of the Royal Dukes, nor to throw any
reproach on his Majesty. He understood it to
have been the private intention of the King, be.
fore his lamented illness, to interfere in behalf of
the Duke of Kent.
Mr. FOR/3E3 supported the motion. He thought
the ease deserted the attention of the House, and
hoped, if unsuccessful now, the Mover and Se-
conder would bring it forward again early in the
ensuing Session, by which time be ►hought the pub-
lic would be prepared to take a very different view
of the question. He contended the Doke of Kent
had not been treated as the other branches of
the Royal Family lind been. He wished him pined

on the same footing with them, and be wished also
the sante anxiety to get honourably tree of debts
unavoidably incurred, which was displayed by his
Royal Highness, was more frequently witnessed.

Fie contended that his allowances had been in-
adequate, and reminded the House of the induce-
ments held out to the Royal Dukes to marry some
eighteen months ago, when a general alarm pre•
vailcd lest the succession should go out of the
direct Brunswick liue. These remembered, they
ought now to be liberal, and avoid opposing the
prcient motion.

Sir C. BurtnELL said, he should not have

thought it necessary to trouble the House at all
on this occasion, if it were nut for one circum-
stance mentioned by the Hon. Member who se•
conded the motion. That Hon. Member had
stated, that his Royal Highness the Duke of Kent,
having set aside 17,0001. for payment of his debts,
had only 7,0301. remaining. This he could not
think cmreet, inasmuch as it appeared by returns
which were before the Hose, that the amount of

he income of his Royal Highness %vas 32,0001.

a year.

Mr. JIUNE explained, He must maintain the
correctness of his statement, because before the
t:me op to which the returns before the House
were made up, his Royal Highness had only
24,0001. a-yeer. It was true, that since that
time, by tlae recent voteof the House, H. R. High.
11e8S.8inc(ime had been increased to 32,0001. a year.
Lord LOwTH ER thought the Hon. iVember
should have taken the advice which was given
him, to withdraw his motion. He who had so
often stood forward as the deprecator of Lmterics
ought not to have proposed one on so ungracious
a subject. The Duke of Kent had received a
grant some years ago, which was understood to
he for the loss of his baggage. If this Dill was
nllowed to proceed further, he should think it his
duty to say something further against it.
Air. Alderman %VouD said, though it wrmiti be
very inconvenient to many persons who had pre-,
pared for entering into the project, yet, it'ter what
had passed, he must agree to withdraw his motion. •
Lord CAITLERSAGH could nut reiraiu frow ex

pregsing his satiifaetion at this minion being with-
drawn, and that his Royal Iligliness was thus
ri..scited frinu so unpleAsant a situation.
Mr. GSt PELL also expressed Lis satisfaction
that the Worthy Alderman had agreed to withdraw
his motion.--The motion wtas. the: withdrawn.

1.‘,1P... H. SW.A:-,:N.
Itlr. C. Hzx'EY -presented a petition from this
Gentler an, praying that the House would give
directions that Mr. Scrjeant Pell, %vim was his
confidential counsel upon the Election Committee
f.ir Penrvo, should he released from Lis engage-
ment by the Attorney-General, to conduct the
prosecution ftgain3t him for bribery, at the next
Assizes far Cornwall.

The SOLICITOR-GENERAL observed, that An ap-
plication to this effect was made to the Attorney-
(;eneral ; but he thought proper to refuse it, ou
the ground that the Learned Serjeant alluded
to W:l3 the principal Law Serjeant on the Circuit
for conducting the Crown prosecutions ; and also
that he had conducted the prosecution some time
ago against Sir C. Hawkins, although the Learn-
ed Serjeant had had the same relation to Sir
Christopher on the Committee which gave birth
to the prosecution that he had lately held with
the petitioner. Besides, the Learned Serjeant
having attended the consultation of the Crown
Lawyers upon the subject of this prosecution, he
could not, with any degree of consistency, he
discharged from his engagement for the Crown,
so as to become the Advocate of the Petitioner.
Mr. WYNN was not aware what kind of relief
the Petitioner could receive. The House had in-
structed the Attorney-General to commence a
prosecution against him, and the conduct of that
proceeding must, therefore, be left to that Law
Ofiicer.—The Petition was theta tejected without
a division.