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Al'hongit the apprehended rising of Reformers
'n the west country on Monday, did not take
place, a circumstance which was mentioned by the
L,lrd President yesterday to the piquer guard of
!he fit st regiment of volunteers in the Castle,
it seems to prove, tit it IN as prevented only
by the imposing force which ►he Cunstitnted
Authorities have collected in that (patter. ilia
Lordship stared, that about threw hund►ed
of the Radicals of Kilbarehan moved from that
viii,t;:e on Monday morning, armed with gnus
and pikes, and had nearly reached a point of
the road where dispositions had been made by the
military to surround and disarm then►, when an
Express from their Brother I(eforn►ets in Glas-
gow ratite op, and informed them of the pasture
of affairs, and they in►t►rediately dispersed. If
none rise existed, this alone is proof sufficient
of the intention of the general mass, nod
certainly warrants the vieparations which have
been made, and whirl► have breli too omen stir'.
bitted to an excess of catcion on the part of the
Glasgow Magistrates.......(Ediniurgh parer.)
On Thursday evrning last, as NI, ssrs. Pays-
coTes Chichester waggon, front London, was on
its way.to that city, it caught fire from the candle
in the lantern, and a barrel of gunpowder blew
up with a trentetidOus explosion, forcing titter
men over a hedge by the shock, hot, providen-
tially, they were not arriontly injured.

Mr. STRUT?, accompanied by several Members,
brought up a private Bill from the COMIDOU3,
‘vilich Was read the first time.
corros MANUFACTORIES' BILL.
On the (location for their Lordships going in-
to a Committee on this Bill, a short discussion
look place.
Earl GaosysNott impugned-the principle of the
or raiber the measure of last year which it
went to amend, as an undue interference with the
principle of tree labour. Their Lordships, he
conceived, had acquiesced in that Bill, not on the
ground of its policy or invice, but through feel-
ings of humanity. 'He disapproved of any devia-
tion from rite principle of tree labour, and the
r-
beoislature had rejected more titan one proposi-
tion #(+ filet ground. With reference to titts.anba
ject of (Odell the present Bill formed aTpnrt, he
still thought that it was more likely the parents
of poor ehildreu should have stronger affection.
and intete,t' in what concerned them, than the
proprietors of manufactories should be supposed
to feel. He thought strong recommendations in
favour of the children, with respect to the number
of hours they should be employed, or other tegn-
lations favourable to them, would be equally ef-
feetnal with positive enactments on that head,
without being liable to the strong objections which
militated .441.0n5t the latter ; and on that groom!,
he certainly felt anxious that the enactments of
last year should be repealed.
The Bishop of CHESTER approved of the Legis-
lative regulations in favour of the children, and
in one view he was particularly favourable to them,
as the unfortunate children, when over-wniked,
(vete rendered either unable or unwilling to 'Mend
Divine Service, or even to make that appearance
which could lie wished, upon the Sabbath. The
Reverend Prelate adverted to a proviso or clause
which he meant to propose on. a future stage,
hot which, we understood his Lordship to sly, he
was unwilling to press, at least fur the present, as

it vas importaut the measure before the 1-10,,,,,4
should pass before the Ist of January. lie “1.3,2
alluded to the measure before PAlliameut for the

further suppression of blasphemy end sedi►igr►,
measure which he thought would hold out wddi-

lional inducements for au Attendance upon Divine
Worship and %vith respect to Ike measure in
question, he had the convtious satistaetiuu of do-

rig that %% bleb he felt to be his cloy.

The Earl o►f LAUDFRDALR observed, it ;va9 ge-
nerally understood that the clause adverted to
won't' not he proposed before the third reading;
bill he conceived it to be of that nature which the
House could not consistently concur in.
Lord HOLLAND said a tew words, the purport
of w h LI) could not he collected.

The Earl of LAUDERDALS deprecated any hasty
passing of a measure like that before ►he ;
doe notice, he conceived, i►ad not been given of
it. Alauy of those most concerned !ive►l at a
great distance, as in Scotland, and in Lanca-
sl►ire.

Their Lordships then resolved into the Com-
mittee, which went through without any amend-
ment being proposed.
SEDiTIOT'S MEETINQS PREVENTION BILL.

The Chder of the Day being read, their Lord-
ships resolved into a Commitree on this Bill, the
Carl of SHAFTESBURY in the Chair.
The variol.s clauses and provisions of the Bill
under ent more or less discussion, or produced
conversation in the Committee, the nattt►e of
which, combining with our confined limits, re-
strict us to a brief notice of the prominent fea-
titres.

The first discussion took place on the ChAnse
empowering the Nlakistrates, in the cases therein
mentioned, to disperse meetings.
After a short explanatory conversation on these
provisions, principally between Lord ELLEN.'
BOROUGH the LORD CHANCELLOR, and the Edtl
of LIVERPOOL,

Lord HOLLAND addressed the Committee at
.some length upon the subject. The provisiolis
appeared to hint to he not only objectionable, but
be•thought that they went to place the Magis-
trates in a very awkward situation. The liability
to whielt non-residents were exposed was unjus-
tifiable, for of those some may have considerable
property in the parish, or other place where mite
meetings were held. The policy of this part of
the measure also appeared to hint to be mist;,k:.,,,
and in its effect it was more likely to produce the
mischief apprehended, than to counteract it. Many
of those whom the provisions may tend to ex-
chide from the tnectin2s, may be persons of pro-
perty and influence, and their taking a part in the
di,ciist.ion may lie mute beneficial than if it were
confined to poor ai;tl ignorant persons who were
inhabitants of the place.
Alter some further discussion, in which the
LORD CHANCELLOR, Earl GrtosvExoa, and Lurd
ERsaINE imrlicipa!ed, the clause was agteed to
without ally amendownr.
On the cowideration of the Penalties or Punish-
mem, provided by the Bill, in case of idolations

thereof,
Lord ERssltiß expressed some objections to
vvipit Wile opo9e(1.

The Earl or LtvLitPooL defended such part of
the Bill, ag it stood, before the Committee. The
real question he thought WHs, were they or not
dispu,ed to suppress tuntriltuons meetings ? It
they were, they must render the provisions effec-
tual. The meetings contemplated w ete chiefly
those held the open air and on :obits of a par-
ticular nature, At County Meeri;%44 caner tied

The Marquis of Lartspowmt conceived that ti►e
line of distinction with respect to those who welts
eligible to a►tend the Meetings in question, was
drawn upon no principle of justice, and he
thought in (lit ect contradiction to the analogy of
law. Atter some further rema►ks, he glanced at
the prescribed qualification with respect to the
amount of property, an►d moved as an attletulmeot
that tf,e words " fifty pounds" he left out, for
the purpose of inserting those of " forty shil-
ling: "_

The Earl of LTvauPooL ably defended the clause;
and after some further discussion, the question was
pot on the Noble Marqui,'s Amendment, whicli
was negatived without a division.

On the provision for• rendering the offence of
not withdrawing from the meeting after the se-
cor, proclamation a felony a discussion of some
length took place.
Lord ERSKINE argued against' the provision,
And proposed as an amendment, that the words
constituting such offence a felony, be omitted.
The Earl of LIVERPOOL contended for the ex-
pediency of the proposed punishment, which fell
shot t of those provided by other parts of the Sta-
tute Law, particularly the Riot Act, It would
be found to apply not to those who really, inad-
vertently, or ignorantly attended such meetings,
hut to those who wilfully attended or com hilted after
they were apprised they had no tight to attend.—
The proposed punishment was, in fact, mole le-
nient than what was to he found in mlny parts
of the existing law, in cases nearly similar.
Lord ELLENBoROUGH thought that part of the
Bill which went to attach severe penalties objec-
tionable, and principally on the ground of getting.
Jules to con►ict, in cases where they thought
the punishment more t►tan commensurate to the
offet!ce. •

The .14,21) CHANCFLLOR mast ably and at some
length defended (nose provisions in the Bill. The
safety of the country, in ct.ists and dz.
(nifty, was the paramount conside:ltioo, and what
was proposed in the prhsent meastue ,or the sup-
pression of unlawful and dangerous ass.eil,blivs,
was not particle arranger than Was necessary
attain such an Object ; the principle, and one
much stronger, was recognised by the Common
He was aware thete wete cases in which
the strength of the law may, in one point of
view, he said to constitute its wealine,s. A,Vhat
was proposed in the way of amendment, would
go to render the Bill inintionsly inconsistent in.
some of its principal provisions ; and he contend-
ed no more was proposed than was essential CO
riect the most important objects of the measure
before the Committee.

Lord HOLLAND argued against the provision in
question, observing that it was highly joint-ions
o place Juries in a situation that they insist ei-
ther decide against their consciences or the letter
of an Act-,—an ordeal which id.vays rendered them
worse men when they came out of the box than
when they went in. The Itiot Act ma, not an
infallible criterion, nor was the ‘Vhig Parliament
which enacted it so blameable, as it was passed its
turbulent times, and applied only to tumultoous
proceeding*. Nut withscand-izig what the Noble
*nd Learned Lord had advanced, he thought its
provision objectionable, and should therefore vote
for the amendment proposed by his Noble and
Learned Friend near him.
Atter some further-discussion, in which Earl
BATHURST participated, Lord Erskine's Amend-
ment was negatived.

Several of the subsequent clauses were agreed
to by the Committee, in the course of some con-
versation, principally bet weer the Noble Lurds
above ntentioueu, and in which no amendments
were proposed.
in the course of the discussion which followed,
The Marquis of LANSDoWNE moved, in the way
of amendment, that the Surrey and Royal Insti-
tutions be exempted from the operation of the
clause against Debating Societies.
The Earl of Livettroor. observed, that if suds.
a proposition were acceded to, in one instance,
it would induce almost innumerable applica-
tions.

In the result, the Noble Marquis's proposi.
tion Was negatived.
Some flirt htr ;Jrovisiotis being gone through,
1.11,? E,rl of BLEsSI:GTOI,I proposed, that lre-
laud .should he exempt trol) the operation of
rile Bill, on the general of its tranquil
state.

The Earl of DARNLEY WAS of opinion that
plc!, an act of favour or conce3sion would ope-
rate tor :lore favourably with ,especi to Ireland
them any thing like a system of coercion.
Some discussion on the silbjuel took

The Eat! of LivEaPoot, opposed the proposition,
as lie deemed it mote in the nature of favour to
It eland, as it xvould tend to preclude the ingress
0 a new species of co inte ; the disiffected, when
baffled bete, would then in vain seek rethge at►d
simpoi t in the Sister Island.

he Edrls of Dortt4ouotimotts anti HARttorvilt
also spoke on this point ; the former slipponett,
aria the latter ttli it his duty to oppo,e the
proposition, which was negatived without
&vision.

• The Exi I of LAUD3RDALE proposed an mew!.
ment, the ttnralittn of the Bill to a period
‘‘ithin that which was proposed, and which was
also negatived.

The Bill being gone throqgb, the Roos re-

snore,?, received the Report, and ordered the
ti.itd reading to take place to-morrow.—Ad-
journed.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.

CIVIL LIST.

The CITANCELLoIt of the t.i;xcligiavEß brought
up certain Papers awl FiAtiOlaieS relative to the
contingencies of the Civil Liit ; which vivre or-
dered to be printed. lie 'also postpone(' his in-
tended Motion for a Vote on account of the same
till Wednesday.
Mr. Psscoe. GtiRN'FIELL moved fora tiveekl.yitc:.
reunt of all Bank Notes and Bank.Pirst-iiilltc-dk:-
tinguishing their amount, -uitli:ther:(4trifillut of all
Notes above St. ; and the•mggrepte amount of
the whole which had been issued since the 3d
of November till the latest period that it could
be made up to.—Agrerd to.
NEWSPAPER STAMP BILL, tie.

Mr. JOHN SMITH presented a Petition from cer-
tain Booksellers and Publishers of Works in Num-
bers. The Hon. Geotlentan said, there-was no
trade in the Kingdom of more importance to the
morals et;d happiness of the lower classes, or to
the religion of the nation at large; than that
blanch of the bookselling hoe to which the peti-
tioners belonged. The petition stated, that they
published a great number of works, chiefly oil
subjects of divinity, or the arts and seieaces,
which being set forth in the form of cheap perio-
dical publications, were within the reach of per-
sons of small property, who would not be able to
purchase them, if they were obliged to pay for
the whole work at once; that .tbey made a point
not to publish any work on political subjects, trot
to allow any persons in their employ to sell any
publications but those of a moral or religions:na-
ture, in most instances procuring security, by timid,
from them et, that effect ; and Petitioiiers coo-
ceived there was no plant better calculated, .
more effectual in roitveyiog lust ructiotiani these
sit jects to die /awer oftleri than that followed by
theist. Thee prayed, therefore, that some t, t.
vision would he made to exempt %mks published
by them in the. manner above stated, trout the
operation Of the Newspaper Stamp Bill, at pie-
sem in its progress through the House. If this
were not dorte, Petitioners stated, that above ogle
million of capital ,oiployed. us the boohsulling
trade its the publication of chelp numbers, Leonid
inetirably ire ChtOwti back upon those who bad
embarked in that business, besides suffering some
dintityttiott trout the sudden cffect of the.
F I tills Itt is statement, the 14,M. Gentleman te-
triarke'l, it was evident, that it the Bill passed in
its picsent SlRtpr, if woldil destroy all that hide
portion of floe cratiii4l; of the poorer classes drat
WAS fierViCeitble to 'Lens —Ordered to lie on the
table, and to he rioted.
Mr .\,lattTLN, utade his motion, " That there he
laid ,!,c. House an accouist of all the Ex-
chequer hinve beets issued since the Ist
of September rt•;t, the rate of premiums,
discouor, and iuteress, stud wlooi issued ;" which
was agreed to.
Mr. DOGDALE presented a petitiOn from cer-
tain Booksellers belonging to Birmingham a, d
• Warwickshire, against the Blasphemous and Se-
ditious Lobel Bill ; certain clauses of which thry
viewed with great alarm, particularly that *which
made it Bauishmeot for a second ogeoce.
petitioners stated, that a great part of their trade
consisted in selling Books sent down horn Lon-
don, a small pare of which even they had not time
to read.
Mr. M. A. TAYLOR said, that this petition
spoke the sclitintents of every Bookseller in the
Kingdom.
The petition was ordered to lie on the table,
and to be printed.
Lord STataLay presented a Petition from an in-
dividual of the name of lieuty Fisher, stating,
that Ite•earried on the business of a bookseller, at
Liverpool, London, and rations other places in
the. Milted' Kingdom ; and that lie employed au
immense capital its printing and publishing books
on religious and moral sobiects, in small (mas-
hers, at a cheap rate and he was tea( tol that if
the new measures of restriction were to pass into
laws, this capital would be idle, as lie would not
be able to carry on his bushiest in this particular
branch were that to be the case.—Ordcied• to lie

on the table, and to be printed.
Mr. W. SMITH presented a Petition from seve-
ral individuals of Bristol, stating, that if the pre-
sent Bill respecting Libels were permitted to pass,
no man of respectability would place his capital
or his character at stake in the bookselling sine
for the future.—Ordered to lie on the table, and
to be printed.
Mr. BIRCH presented a Petition from the Book-
sellers of Liverpool, against certain clauses in the
Libel 13il1 ; and particularly that one which pro-
posed to m4ke it banishment for the second of-
fence against its provisions.—Ordered to lie on
the table, and to be printed.
Mr. BERNAL presented a Petition (corn cer-
tain Booksellers in the City of London and its
neighbourhood, complaining of the provisions of
the Blasphemous and Seditious Libel Bill.
Mr. M. A. TAYLOR thought, that atter the sen-
timents of a great part of the nation had already
been sent to the House in opposition to the Libel
Bill, a longer time should be allowed, to give
time for further expression of the public voice on
that subject. lie was sure, that the inure peti-
tions were heard respecting it, the wore would
be seen the impropriety of passing .it under its
present provisions.
The Petition was laid on the table, and ordered
to be printed.