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at War to the state of the regiment called the Blues. In that
regiment the officers were not allowed to exchange, but were
obliged to rise step by step. He had heard, too, that the funds
of the corps were in a very bad state ; in fact, th.t the corps
was absolutely in a state of bankruptcy.
Colonel WOOD explained. He did not say the abolition
of the Household Brigade would lead to a revolution. What
he had said was that it would be revolutionary.
Lord ARTHUR LENNOX could assure the Hen. Member
for Coventry that the jealousy which he had described did net
exist amongst the officers of the army. The Hon. Gentleman
was mistaken when he said that the household troops were
never sent abroad. He ( Lord A. Lennox) had himself been
; abroad with his regiment for two years together, and if the
corps were to be called out to serve abroad, he had no doubt
that his Hon. Friend the Member for Middlesex would be
ready to vacate his seat and accompany his regiment abroad,
and the Hon. Member for Montrose would then have another
opportunity of sustaining a defeat.
Mr. WILLIAMS did not wish to do away with the house.
hold troops, he only wished to reduce them.
Lord J. MANNERS trusted that a feeling of economy
would not induce the Government to accede to the wishes of
the Hon. Member for Coventry, and he trusted they would
take no step which would have a tendency to degrade the
household troops in the eyes of the country.
After a few words from Mr. S. HERNERT and Mr. C. BEA.
KELEY,

Mr. HUME did not think it was fair to attempt to put his
Hon. Friend down by saying his motion had a revolutionary
tendency. He thought his Hon. Friend was perfectly jus-
tified in the course he had taken, for the Noble Lord opposite
himself was more indebted for his position in the army to his
birth than to any merits of his own.—(Cries of" Order.")
Lord ARTHUR LENNOX could assure the Hon. Gentle-
man that during the twenty-four years which he had been
connected with the army, he had always followed his regiment
wherever it had been quartered. He would not say more than
that he was convinced the Gentlemen on the opposite side of
the House were wrong in supposing that any jealousy existed
on the part of the officers of the line with respect to the officers
of the Guards.

Captain B. OSBORNE thought that his Hon. Friend near
him (Mr. Hume) showed too much sensitiveness on the pre-
sent occasion. His Hon. Friend was generally so good-
humoured, that they did not know how to draw him cut ; but
at last they discovered that his weak side was Middlesex.—
( Laughter.) With regard to what his Hon. Friend said of
the Noble Lord opposite respecting his promotion, he (Captain
Osborne), who had served with the Noble Lord, could say
that he was entitled to his promotion long before he got it.

Mr. H UME said that he could name—persons who were ten
years longer in the service than the Noble Lord, and who did
not get promotion ; but he did not wish to create any jealous
feelings, so he would not name them.
Co!onel WOOD raid that though the Hon. Gentleman was
not Member for Middles ?x, he was glad he had a seat for
another place, where he could be as useful to the country as
ever. He did not mean anything personal in saying that the
motion of the Hon. Member was revolutionary. /le believed
it was perfectly Parliamentary to characterise a motion by that
epithet.
The vote was then agreed to.
155,9951. was voted to defray the expenses of the staff officers.
89,4121. was voted to defray the expenses of the officers in
the different military establishments throughout the country.
13,412/. was voted for the Royal Military Asylum and the
Hibernian Military School.
86,1681. was voted for the Volunteer Corps.
56,9931. was voted for former unpaid services.
14,1481. was voted to defray the expenses paid for distinguished
services.

73,0001. was voted for the expenses of general officers not
being ceonels of regiments.
62,0001. was voted to defray the expenses of full pa.; to re-
tired officers.
On the vote of 341,000/. being proposed for the cost of re-
tired half-pay officers'
Sir H. DOUG LAS said he believed the time had come when
he should, according to the notice he had given, call the. at-
tention of the Committee to the cases of regimental staff offi-
cers, surgeons, paymasters, and quartermasters, with a view
to allow them to retire on their full pay, after thirty years' ser-
vice. This could be effected at a small expense, and he only
threw it out at present as a suggestion, which he hoped would
be adopted on a future occasion. He thought that, after
thirty-five years' service, the officers he had named should be
enabled to retire on full pay, and he hoped all Hon. Members
would concur in the justice of his motion.
Capt. B. OSBOR'iE wished the Gallant Officer had included
veterinary surgeons. The whole thing was so small, and would
conduce so much to the efficiency of the army, that he thought
the House should not refuse it.—The vote was agreed to.
A vote of 52,2221. was then proposed for the half-pay re-
duced allowance of foreign officers and the widows and orphans
of foreign officers.—The vote was agreed to.
A vote was then proposed of 141,8481. to defray the ex-
penses of the widows and orphans of officers of the iand forces.
Agreed to.
A vote of 45,0001. was then proposed as an allowance for the
compassionate list.—Agreed to.
A vote of 20,5631. was proposed for Chelsea Hospital.--
Agreed to
1,289,543/. was proposed for the wages of seamen for this
year.
Captain PECHEL objected to the low salary allowed to
clerks in the navy considering their business and their reponsi-
bility ; they had on no occasion more than 561. a year.
Sir G. COCK BURN admitted that the clerks laboured
under some hardships, but their appointment was vested in the
captains ; they were not officers of the navy. He thought the
question of half-pay to these clerks was worthy of consideration.
Sir C. NAPIER thought the pay of the clerks ought to be
increased.

After a few words from Mr. HUME, Captain PECNELL, and
other Members, the vote was agreed to.

The House then resumed.
The CH AIRMAN reported progress, and obtained leave to
sit again on Monday.
The other orders of the day were then disposed of, and the
House adjourned at a Quarter to One.