The Sun.
London, England, 1828-11-24 00:00:00

SECURITIES.

Mr. LAWLESS rose to propose his motion, of which
he had given notice four weeks ago, relative to secu-
rities. He congratulated the meeting that he intro-
duced the subject in the presence of so many illus.
trious strangersas graced the present assembly. When
any thing important to Catholic interests was to be
brought forward, it was pleasing that there should be
in the auditory the near connection of one of the
most splendid advocates that the Catholic cause ever
had in the British senate—he need not say that he
alluded to the lamented Mr. Canning. (Long con-
tinued cheering.) He conceived that the Associa-
tion Were called upon to come to one other solemn
vote on the subject of the wings. For this opinion
he would quote the declaration of Lord Gort, so con-
fidently -pronounced on a recent occasion, as to the
intention of the Minister to propose arrangements to
the Catholics. He would also quote the conduct
of the British 'Catholic Association. When Lord
Gort demi-officially, as it would appear, spoke of
securities, and when Members of the English Asso-
ciation declared their willingness to accept them,
it was time for the Irish to speak out. (Hear, hear.)

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He had listened with some attention to what was
said about the deputation to England; he trusted
that those going upon it would be really deputies;
that is, servants of the people. Such persons should
be told their duty ; they should ask for instructions
from the Association. He had not had the good
fortune of being present on the last day, when Mr.
O'Connell entered at some length into the question
of securities. He had heard that his observations
were reported with singular ability and accuracy in
one of the papers.
Mr. O'CoNNELL—Yes ; the Resister contained
one of the best reports I ever saw either in the Irish
or English press.
Mr. LAWLESS—Then what I heard of the report

is quite true, and in this able. and very accurate re-
port, I read the following :
" On the occasion oT that arrangement, no power
of nomination whatever, directly or indirectly, was
intended to be given to the servants of the crown,
regarding the appointment of a Catholic bishop or
clergyman. The terms were drawn up in writing
by myself, and I can produce them at a fitting op-
portunity. The bishops were to be uominated with-
out a veto in the crown, and the only stipulation re-
specting them was their remuneration from the state,
excepting what are called stole fees."
Here we have a most remarkable phrase—" the

only stipulation." This " only" stipulation was the
great—the all-important one—the stipulation hich
would barter the rights of Ireland, and destroy the
character of its clergy.
Mr. O'CONNELL—Not disputing the excellence of
Mr. Lawless's oratory, I will ask, was not the sti-.
pulation such as is described ? The question is no;
whether the stipulation was bad or good, but whether
it existed. I say it did exist. But another question
is—whether it should have existed ? I say it should
'ot have existed: it should never have been heard
of, and I am one of the most vehement of those who
not only repudiate but denounce it. (Loud cheers.)
Mr. LAWLESS proceeded to allude again to the
deputation to England. He contended it should be a
responsible deputation, a paid deputation,a deputation
not only in name but in reality theservants of the peo-
ple. Gentlemen, he knew, would affect to be shocked,
when he talked of paying a deputation ; he would
only remind these fastidious personages that the
great Franklin was a paid deputy, and that the first
Ambassadors of the first Monarchs in Europe are to
this day paid for their labours.—(Hear, and laugh.)
Mr. Lawless proceeded, at great length, and with
much animation, to enforce his objections to wings
or securities of any description, and concluded by
proposing a resolution against the wings.
The Rev. Mr. MunPitY, of Corofin, objected to
the use of the word Protestant, as applied to the
Government.
Mr. O'GORMAN MAHON congratulated the meet-
" ing upon its being guided, on the present occasion,
it by the counsels of themost exemplary and valuable
clergyman whose cry of the " wolf is in the walk"
was heard so often, and with such great and salu-
tary effect, at the late election. He concurred alto-
gether with his reverend and excellent friend. As