The Sun.
London, England, 1819-12-21 00:00:00

SUPPLY.

On the Order of the Day being read, the
Rowe went into a Committee of Supply, when
Mr. ROBERT WARD moved for a Vote of
250,0001. on account of the Ordnance E,iimates.
iir. Hulls expected that the Hon. Genclenian
wool,l have favoured the House with a. statement
why the ►amount of these Estimates v 733 larger
for the present year than for the one preceding.
In the present state or Europe, which we were
told from the Throne was such as to promise a
long state of pe3ce, he was much at a loss to •
know, what causes there could be to increase our
expellees. He observed that the cost of that de-
p,rtment of the public accounts was. greater by
50,0001. than it had been on some former years,

awl that the salaries of persons employed in iliat
department had beett doubled, and even trebled !
fie thought, that when the value of money had
increased in the proportion of 2,5 per cent. that
we should begin to return to a srate somewhat
commensurate with• what it formerly was. fie
hoped that brfore the
.House granted so hey on
this account, it would cause inquiry to he made
into the sna-plus and extray.agaot rate of salaries.
Mr. R. IVArci said, that the present time was
trot ails trt~~c proper for 'going:lnto such questions
as Atte (.4entlemail suggested. When the
Ordnance Estimates came to be laid before the
_HAW! in. (41.11e...(!etA414t , all ques.tiotts of
Fliae mature mighthe discussed at large. lie
would only-Alm, hlutaelf at present to make one
observation, which wits, that the sopt..rantmation
list alone consented as much at present as the
whole Ordnance Cost-in 1792, prior to the French
war. • •
The Vote was then agreed to.—The [louse
having resumed,
Mr. CALC RAFT took occasion to ask the Noble
Lout (Castlereagh) 'Whether his Majesty's Aii•
nisters would hive any objection to produce the
answer which was sent to the letter which ap-
peased alma% the Papers laid before the Floose
at the commencement of the Session, adds essed to
Lord Sidmouth, by the Alanchester Magistrates,
btaiing date, Ist July
Lord CASTLE R BAG H replied, that he should be
able to givea definitive answer to his question
to-morrow. At present be knew nothing at all
about the matter.

Lo'rd l'AilaccsroN moved the Order of the Day
for receivio.4. the Report of the Cointnittee of
Supply, which was accordingly brought up.
Air. GagNyPt.t. /15ke,i a question of the NOhle
Lord (Pdlsnersioo) tel Aye to the.amount of the
charge for the expencei of the Royal Military
Coli'e e, and wis'e'd to :know, whether, as rite
outulser of Cide!i had been reduced, the cost of
ESt HELM( would not be who redi,eed.

Lord I'AtAIRIOTow replied, that- the El:injAces
10c the year 1820 were not yet completed, but he
believed he was tolerably accarate when he stated
that there would be a reduction of 2,8001, in the
Cloltge Co- the Junior Department.
Atr. flustx observed, that, by the Returns
which brid been laid on the table, i: appeared that
be Military College shout(' supply the Army
cr iris vilicets at the rate of 100 for each year ;
but the lacr waf, that, during the last three
years, only 76 ',Rd been supplier! from that Eta-
bilsbnaent. 'ftie couseriotace of ;his was, that
instead of the eicpencet being, fur the whole
3 3001, as bad been entered on the Journals of the
HUlthe, i( turned out that every one of thos.-, offi-
Ccrti who had joined the Army had cost 1,0351. to
the county.

PALK RSTON declined entering into a dis-
ctissiori 4,t this nature at the present time ; but be
woldd undertake to say, that the Hon. Gentle-
mart's statements were incorrect, and when lie
carne to discuss the details of the Establishment
at a tiiture period, he vas sure he would be able
to show them tt, be so.

Mr. flume said, that he had drawn his state-
Intuit; frt)tu the reports of the Eitablishment, and
he would plunge himself to sitew that he was

tC( i.

Tile ft-port of the Committee was then
agrted

NEWSPAPER STAMP DUTIES BILL.

The Order of the Day for a Committee of the
House on the Newspaper Stamp Bill was read,
and

Auer a short conversvion between Lord CAS..
TLERAAGH and Mr. BitOUGHAIg, which passed
across tire table,
Mr. MAGnoNALo rose and said, that with re-
spect to those Bills—for he would class the Bill
at_prescut before the House and. the Libel Bill
logeth,4—he did not think the same objection
applied, which bad been urged against many of
the former measurts of the Noble Lord opposite,
viz. : that it was ohintelligible; they appeared to
him but too intelligible ; they appeared to him hut
too ohvions to be most decided stabs at the rights
and privileges of Englishmen. The only ground
on which their adoption was supportel, was that
the existing laws were insufficient for the neces-
sities of the times. That those laws which iu

times of civil discord and rebellion had been
found sufficient to carry the Country and
the Constitution safe and uoimpaired through
ail the datigers which threatened (bent—
that had been adequate to carry us through that
awful period of political agitation which 114(
been marked by a great revolittion in a neiglo
bonging country, were, in times of Katmai;
peace, pronounced by Ministers to he inefficient—
they should say inefficient in thetr hands to put
down irreligion and sedition ! It seemed, that at
the close of 25 years of warfare, in the course al
which the people of the country had shown a per-
severance under their di asters unprecedented
in history, and which had contributed to bring to
3 termination the efforti of their great enemy,
these people were to be told ritry were on-
fitted to enjoy liberty in the same manner and
to the same extent as their forefathers had
done. They were to he told that such an in-
tensity of light had bean thrown in upon them as
required they would give op some of the liherties
in exchange for it_ Would not the people of this
country loath those victories which had heicio-
fore been their glory, if this WHS the pi ice ehry
were to pay for them ? Will not, said the lion.
Gentleman, that extraordinary mail, whom your
aggressions first raised from obscurity, have
triumphed in his defeats ? The victory of Water-
loo, great and glorious as he thought it, would
not, in his opinion, suffice for the loss ttf one
atom of our liberty. What was it that had sus-
tained the nation during the arduous struggle for
the last 25 years, hot the press ? It was the press
that had represented, some“ bat grossly perhaps,
the horrots of a military despotism heing esta-
Wished iu this country; and that had upheld, in
such styli .colours, the blessinv exclusively en-.
joyed under the Constitution or England. But it
was this press which it was now proposed to
shackle. Lie certainly did • think that something
might he urged in beltalt. of the !Sill at present
before the House ; but lie must express his belief
that it was the first time it had been attempted to
impose the duty of a stamp with any other view
than that of • increasing the Revenue. ‘Vizat