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Mr. WARBURTON said he would oppose the motion, be-
eau,e he did not see why a different principle should be applied
in this case from what was applied in the case of any other in-
vention. Let the atmospheric principle be proved by experi-
ment, and then it would be easily introduced.
Mr. HODGSON HINDE agreed very much in what had
fallen from the Hon. Member. He had no objection whatever
to an inquiry into the merits of the atmospheric system,
though he believed it would have very little effect
until the results of the experiments were known ;
but he was afraid that under his Right Honourable
Friend's motion there lurked an intention of postponing the
railway Bills before the House. There were two sides of this
question. Not only were there engineers who doubted the
success of the experiment in a mercantile point of view, but
there were many who doubted it in a mechanical point of view;
and he could see no reason for supposing that the House would
settle the difficulty. At all events, he should object to the appoint
anent of the Committee, if the progress of the railwayswas to be
Impeded by it.
Lord HOWICK said it would have been well if his Hoc
Friend had applied a little of his usual acuteness to this
question. A Committee had been asked to assist the public
in formulg an opinion. It so happened, in the present year, a
great number of railway Bills had been proposed to the Reuse.
In two or three cases the competition was between a proposed
atmospheric line, and a proposed line upon the locomotive
plan. Mr. Stephenson, the only engineer who objected to the
atmospheric principle, had stated before the House, that
on the very first trial which had been made of it,
it had exceeded both in safety and in speed the locomotive
system after sixteen or seventeen years. On the
other hand, engineers of the greatest eminence, who stated
that the atmospheric system cembined great speed with per-
fect safety; and in a commercial point of view, it appeared that
the expense of working a line upon that system was 94d. per
mile, while that of the other mode was I s. 2dlh. This was clearly
proved. They ought to inquire into the merits of theinvention,
as the time must come when it, the atmospheric system, would
supersede the present one. If they did not they would hare
the whole question over the Kent, the Cornish, and Northum-
brian lines. lie knew the Board of Trade could not undertake
the inquiry, from the mass of business it had to get through ;
but the appointment of the Committee, instead of impeding
the progress of the present railway Bills throughout Parlia-
ment, would, on the contrary, expedite them.
Sir GEORGE CLERK said the Noble Lord had
given a most able panegyric on the atmospheric
system, but he had also furnished reasons why the
Committee should not be appointed. The Committee of
last sessit u elicited all the facts, but they had no means of pro-
perly knowing what the expense of the system would be on
lines where the traffic would require large steam-engines in con-
stant action. The experiment on the Kingston and Dalkey line
was not sufficient, and, without any prejudice against the
atmospheric principle, he did not think the Committee could
be productive of any good. It would not influence any other
Committee, and would much retard the progress of the pend-
ing Bills.
Mr. BARKER did not think the atmospheric principle
would ever succeed, but he would not do anything that should
prevent a fair trial of the experiment.
Mr. W. R. COLLETT did not think that the evidence on
this subject could be of any importance, unless elicited by a
private Committee. The eyes of Europe, he might say, were
now on this country, and upon its decision would depend whe-
ther other lines now in contemplation would be completed.
Mr. M. J. O'CONNELL said, great interests were at
stake in railways, and therefore he hoped it would be ma-,
turely considered. He was himself rather sceptical on it,
bet he hoped the appointment of the Committee would not
opposed.
Mr. RICARDO could not see how this project could be
opposed merely because it had hitherto been tried only on short
lines, If the power had been given for making long lines
they would have been made also.
Sir R. PEEL said he would be in favour of granting the
Committee, though he could not see what would result from it,
for the public alone were the party to decide as to what plan
should be adopted. He was himself in favour of the atmosphe-
ric plan, but he could not see what good could follow from the
appointment of the Committee. However, he would not
oppose it.
After a few words from Lord EBRINGTON and Mr.
GILL, the motion was agreed to.
Mr. SHAW hoped the Committee would be nominated on
Monday next.
Sir ROBERT PEEL, in answer to a question, said, the
appointment of this Committee would not interfere with the
general progress of railway business.
The other orders of the day were then disposed of, and the
House adjourned at half-last One o'Clock.

PARLIAMENTARY DIVISIONS

(From the Votes and Proceedings of the House of Commons.)
THURSDAY, MARCH 13.
AGRICULTURAL DISTRESS.

Motion made, and Question put, " That a Select Committee be ap-
pointed, to inquire into the causes and extent of the alleged existing
agricultural distress, and into the effects of Legislative Protection
upon the interests of Landowners, Tenant-farmers and Farm-
labourers." Tho House divided:—

MINORITY-AYES, 121.

Ainsworth, Peter Ewart, William
Aldam, William Ferguson, Colonel
Anson, Colonel , • -.Forster, Matthew
Bannerman, A. Gibson, T. M.
Baring, F. T. Gill, Thomas
Barnard; E. G. Gore, Robert
Bellew, R. M. Grey, Sir George
Berkeley, Craven Hallyburton, Lord
Berkeley, H. F. Harmer, Sir J.
Bernal, Ralph Hastie, Archibald
Blake, M. J. Hawes, Benjamin
131ewitt, R. J. llayter, W. G.
Bouverie, E. P. Malley, Charles
Bowring, Dr. Holland, Robert
Brocklchurst, J. Horsman.--Edward
Brotherton, Joseph Howard, C. W.
Browne, W. Howard, E. G.
Buller, Edward Howick, Viscount
Busfeild, William Hume, Joseph
Childers, J. W. Hutt, William
Clay, Sir W. Johnson, General
Colborne, W. R. Labouchere, Henry
Collett, Joins Lambton, 11.
Cowper, W. F. Langston, J. H.
Currie, Raikes Lascelles, W. S.
Dews.) 1, T. V. Leader, J. T.
Denison, J. E. Macaulay, T. B.
Dennistoun, J. Mangles, R. D.
Divett, Edw..rd Marshall, William
Duff, James Marslitad, Henry
Duncan, Viscount Martin, John
Duncan, George Mettle, Fox
Duncannon, Lord Mitcalfe, Henry
buncombe, Thomas Morris, David
Dundas, Admiral Morison, General
Dundas, Frederick Muntz, G. F.
Ehringt-m, Viscount Murray, Alexan4-3r
Ellice, Edward Napier, Sir C.
Ellis, Wynn O'Connell, M. J.
Escott, Bickham Osborne, Ralph
Email, Ralph Paget, Colonel
Evans, William Paget, Lord A.

Palmerston, Viscount
Parker, John
Pattison, James
Pechell. Captain
Philips, G. R. .
Plumridge, Captain
Ponsonby, C. F. A. ,
Protheroe, Edward
Rawdon, Colonel
Ricardo, J. L.
Rice, E. R.
Ross, D. R.
Runtlx)id, C. E.
Russell, Lord J.
Russell, Lord E.
Scott, Robert
Scrope, Q. P.
Sheridan, R. It.
Somerville, Sir W.
Stansfleld, W. R. C.
Stewart, P. 31.
Stuart, Lord J.
Stuart, W. V.
Strutt, Edward
Tattered, 11. W.
Thornely, Thomas
Towneley, John
Trelawny, J. S.
Villiers, Charles
Vivian, J. H.
Walker; Richard
Wall, C. D.
Warburton, Henry
Ward, H. G.
`yawn, John T.
Williams, William
Wilshere, W.

TELLERS.
Cobden, Richard
Bright, Jetta

MAJORITY-NOES, 213.
AeLand, Sir T. D. Fellowes, Edward Neck!, Joseph
Acland, T. D. Ferrand, W. B. Neck!, John
A'Coart, Captain Fitzmaurioe, W. Neville, Ralph
Allix, J. P. Fitzroy, Henry Newdegate, C. N.
Antrobus, Edmond Flower, Sir J. Newport , Visconnt
Arbuthnott, 11. Forbes, William Nichol', John
Archdall, Captain Forman, T. S. Norreys, Lord
Arkwright, George Fox, S. L. Oswald, Alexander
A.stell, William Fremantle, Sir T. Parke, C. W.
Bagge, William Faller, A. E. Pakington, J. S.
Bagot, William Gasket', J. M. Palmer, Robert
Reline, Joseph (Redstone, W. E. Palmer, George
Bailey, J ~jun. Gladstone, Captain Peel, Sir Robert
Bettie, Colonel Gordon, Captain Peel, Jonathan
Banker, George Gore, Montague Phimptre, J. P.
Baring, Thomas Goring, Charles Pollington, Visconti'
Baring. W. B. flonlburn, Henry Powell, Colonel
Barrington, Viscount Graham, Sir J. Praed, W. T.
Beckett, William Granby, Marquis Pringle, Alexander
Bell, Matthew Greene'', Peter ruseY, Philip
Benbow, John Greene, Thomas Reid, Sir John
Bentinek, Lord G. Grimsditeh, T. Rendlesham, Lord
Beresford, Major Grimiton, V scount Repton, G. W. J.
Blackstone, W. S. Grogan, Edward Rolleston, Colonel
Bolder°, H. G. Hale, R. B. Round, C. 0,
Borthw!ck, Peter Milford, Sir H. Round, John
Botflekl, Beriah Hamilton, W. J. Rous, Captain
Bowles, Admiral Harcourt, G. G. Rushbrooke,Cl i. ,
Braraston, T. W. Harris, Captaiit Ryder, G. D.
Brisco, 31.1 Hayes, Sir E. Sanderson, Richard
Broadwood, H. Heneage, G. H. W. Seymour, Sir H.
Brace, Lord E. Henley, J. W. Shaw, Frederick
Bruce, C. L. C. Hepburn, Sir T. Shirley, E. J.

. •
Bruges, W. H. L. Herbert, Sidney
Buck, L. W. Holmes, W. A'Court
Buckley, Edmund Hope, Charles
Buller, Sir J. Y. Hope, G. W.
Danbury, Thomas Hussey, Ambrose
Burrell, Sir C. Hussey, Thomas
Burroughs, H. N. Ligestrie, Viscount
Campbell, Sir H. Trion, Samuel
Cardwell, Edward James, Sir W. C.
Charteris, Francis Jermyn, Earl
Chelsea, Viscount Jocelyn, Viscount
Chetwode, Sir J. Johnstone, Sir J.
Christopher, R. A. Jolliffe, Sir W.
Claytoar,'R. R. Knightley, Sir C.
Clerk. Sir G. Lawson, Andrew
Clifton, John T. Legh, G. C.
Cochrane, A. Lennox. Lord A.
Codrington. Sir W. Lincoln, Earl
Colvile, C. H. Lockhart, William
Compton. M. C. Long, Walter
Copeland, Alderman Lowther, Sir J.
Courtenay, Lord Lowther, Colonel
Darby, George Lygon, General
Deedes, William Mackenzie, T.
Denison, E. B. Mackenzie, W. F.
Dick. Quintin Maclean, Donald
Dickinson, r. H. M'Geachy, F. A.
D'lsraell, B. 31'Neill, Duncan

Shirley, E. P.
Sibthorp, Colonel
Smith, Abel
Smith, T. B. C.
Smyth, Sir H.
Snaythe, George
Smollett, A.
Somerset, Lord G.
Somerton, Viscount
Somes, Joseph
Sotheron, T. H.
Stewart, John
Stuart, Henry
Sturt, H. C.
Button, Henry
Talbot, C. H.
Tennent, J. E.
Thesiger, Sir F.
Thornhill, George
Tollemache, John
Tower, Christopher
Trollope, Sir J.
Trotter, John
Tumor, Christopher
Villiers, Viscount
Vivian, J. Ennis
Waddington, 11. B.
Walsh, Sir J. B.

]odd, George
Douglas, J. 1). 5.
Dugdale, W. S.

Manners, Lord C. S.
Manners, Lord J.
March, Earl

Wellesley, Lord C.
Wodehouse, Edmond
Wood, Colonel

Dniicombe, A.
Du Pre, C. G.

Manhunt, Viscount
Martin, C. W.

Wood, Colonel T.
Worsley, Lord

Eastnor. Viscount Marton, George
Eaton, R. J. Mamiell, T. P.
Egerton, W. T. Meynell, Captain
Egerton, Sir P. Mildinay, H. St. John

Wortle;, John S.
Wyndham, Cilonel
Yorko, E. T.
TILLERS.

Bntwisle, William Mica, William I onng, John
Farnham, F. B. Morgan, Octavlui Baring, Henry

RAILWAY BUSINESS IN PAR-
LIAMENT.
THURSDAY, MARCII 13.

Standing Orders Committee,—Resolutions reported :
1. " That, in the case of the Manchester and Buxton Rail-
way petition, the Standing Orders ought not to be dispensed
with."

2. " That, in the case of the Midland Railways (Swinton
to Lincoln) petition, the Standing Orders ought to be dis-
pensed with :—That the parties be permitted to proceed with
their Bill."

3. "That, in the case of the Midland Railways (Notting-
ham to Lincoln) petition, the Standing Orders ought to be
dispensed with :—That the parties be permitted to proceed
with their Bill, on correcting forthwith the errors in the
Plans."

4. “ That, in the case of the Bristol Parochial Rates peti-
tion, the Standing Orders ought to be dispensed with :—That
the parties be permitted to proceed with their Bill, provided
that the notices required for Bills of the third class be given
before the second reading thereof."
5- "That, in the case of the London and Croydon Railway
(Kentish Lines), and London and Croydon Railway Enlarge-
ment and-Orpington Branch Railway, petition of the London
and Croydon Railway Company, to withdraw their two peti-
tions and present petitions for five separate-Bills, if the House
shall give leave to withdraw their two petitions, the Sessional
Order ought to be dispensed with, and that the parties be
permitted to present petitions for five separate Bills with re-
ference to the objects comprised in the original petitions."
6. " That, in the case of the 'bliddlesex. County Rate peti-
tion, the Standing Orders ought to be dispensed with :—That
the parties be permitted to proceed with their Bill, and that
they prove before the Committee thereon that they have in-
serted the notices in the London Gazette and a county news-
paper for three successive weeks in the month of December
last." -

7. " That, in the case of the Cornwall Railway petition
the Standing Orders ought to be dispensed with :—That the
parties be permitted to proceed with their Bill on correcting
the errors in the plans, sections, and books of reference."
" And that the Committees! on this and the three preced-
ing Bills do examine, in the first place, how far such Orders
have been complied with, and do report the same to the
House on the Report of the Bills."
8. " That, in the case of the Midland Railways (Syston to
Peterborough) petition, the Standing Orders ought to be dis-
pad ;—That the parties be permitted to proceed with