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The SPEAKER took the Chair at Twelve o'Clock.
Leave was asked and granted for Committees to sit, notwith-
standing the meeting of the House.

Mr. .CARDWEEL moved the order of the day for going
into Committee on the

MERCHANT SEAMEN'S BILL.
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Mr. \YAWN observed that last night the House was led to
believe that the Commons Inclosure Bill would be the first
business proceeded with this day. and as many Members,
acting on this belief, had absented themselves, he urged the
Hon. Member the Vice-President of the Board of Trade to
proceed with the
COMMONS INCLOSURE BILL.

Mr. CARDWELL having consented, the House resolved
into Committee on this Bill.

Clauses up to 70 inclusive having been previously discussed,
the 71st was that now commenced with. On this latter clause,
as well as on the 76, 85, 88. and 104, a desultory conver-
sation a, oce between Mr. Wawn, Mr. Bouverie, Lord Lin-
coln, and Lord Clive, but these, as well as the intermediate,
were eventually agreed to. )
Clauses up to 103 were then agreed to, with some verbal
amendments.

Mr. HENLEY thought that the principle of compulsory al-
lotment would be anything but beneficial to the poor. He must
enter his protest against it.
Mr. S. CRA WFORD entertained no such apprehension
with regard to the allotment system. He thought that it
would be more effectual than any proposal he had heard for the
permanent relief of the poor.
The 104th clause was then read.

Mr. S. CRAWFORD objected to the clause. He con-
sidered that the allotment should be altered from half an acre
to an acre.

Lord LINCOLN opposed the amendment.
The claim was allowed to stand part of the Bill.
On the 105th clause being read,

Mr. BOUVERIE objected to this clause. He con-
sidered the warders should not be empowered to turn out
the occupants of allotments, unless upon very strong ground..
He considered that it would be quite unprecedented to confer a
power of such an arbitrary kind upon the wardens as this
clause conferred. He was quite sure that the Noble Earl never
contemplated such a thing.
The Earl of LINCOLN thought that if this clause were
struck out the Bill would be rendered completely inoperative,
and all the advantages which he anticipated from the Bill would
be prevented.
Mr. COWPER thought the wording of the clause was too
stringent.

After a desultory conversation, in which Mr. Henley, Mr.
Wortley. Mr. Cowper, and Mr. Crawford joined,
The clause was agreed to, with some amendments, agreeably
to meet the suggestions of Mr. Bouverie.

Clauses 106 and 107 were agreed to.
Clauses up to 125 were agreed to without a division.
The CHAIRMAN reported progress, and the House resumed.
MEMBER FOR ABINGDON.

The ATTORNEY•GENERAL was introduced by Lord Jermyn
and Mr. Forbes M'Kenzie, and took the oaths and his seat, on
his re-election for the borough of Abingdon.
RETIRING PENSION TO NAVAL OFFICERS.

Captain PECHELL wished to ask the Gallant Admiral op-
posite (Sir G. Cockburn), whether, and when, it was intended
to bring forward the supplemental vote for retired naval offi-
cers ? They had heard it currently reported that such a thing
would take place, and he (Captain Pechell) thought it per-
fectly fair, under these circumstances, to put the question.
Sir G. COCKBURN said that the subject was under the
consideration of her Majesty's Government, and he was not
prepared to give any other answer than that already given by
the First Lord of the Treasury the other evening. If fur-
ther information was required the Hon. and Gallant Member
had better repeat his question that evening.
CONIMONS INCLOSURE BILL.

The House again went into Committee on this Bill, and the
remaining clauses were agreed to.
The Chairman then left, and the sitting of the House was
suspended till five o'clock.

The House resumed at Five o'clock.
COMMONS INCLOSURE BILL.
Mr. GREENE brought up the report on the Commons
Inclosure Bill, which was ordered to be received on
Friday next.
Mr. LOCKHART moved that the Committee on th
Yoker Road (No. 2) be allowed to sit on Friday next.
—Agreed to.
The Lords' amendments to the Lyme Regis Improve-
ments, Markets and Waterworks, and to the Chelsea
Improvements Bills, were agreed to.
Mr. MACAULAY brought up the report on the
South Devon and Launceston and South Devon Railway
Bill.

Lady Sandy's (Turner) Estate Bill was read a third
time, as was the Glasgow, Barrhead, and Neilston Rail-
way Bill.
The Lords' amendments to the London and Brighton
(Horsham Branch) Railway Bill and the Belfast Im-
provements Bill were agreed to.
Mr. LASCELLES moved—" That it be an instruction
to the Committee to whom the Railway Bills and pro-
jects comprised in Group A stand referred, that they
have power to introduce clauses in the Bill for making
a railway from Bulverhithe to Ashford, promoted by the
Brighton, Lewes, and Hastings Railway Company,
authorising that Company to transfer the powers which
may be conferred on them by such Bill to the South-
Eastern Railway Company, and making the last men•
tioned Company to exercise such powers, or some of
them, in terms of the prayer of the petition."
The '4PE NIiER then put the question.
Mr. GREENE said a few words, which were wholly
inaudible in the gallery.
The motion was agreed to.
Mr. MUNTZ moved the third reading of the Glasgow,
Barhead, and Neilston Railway Bill.
Read a third time and passed.
Mr. HAWES presented several petitions in favour of
the Physic and Surgery Bill from various places in Kent,
Middlesex, and Surrey.
Mr. MACKINNON presented a petition from New-
castle, in favour of the Smoke Prohibition Bill. •
Mr. SHELL presented six petitions from Dungarvon
and Charleville, in favour of the Apothecaries Bill • also
a petition from Cork, in favour of a Ten Hours'
Mr. Sergeant M.URPHY presented a petition in
favour of a Ten Hours' Bill.
NOTICES OF MOTION.
Mr. BODKIN gave notice that he should, on Monday,
move for leave to bring in a Bill to amend the law re-
lating to orders for the removal of paupers.
NEW ZEALAND.
Mr. C. BULLER gave notice that, on the 19th inst.,
he should move for copies of the correspondence which
had taken place between her Majesty's Government and
the New Zealand Company since the late debate.
SPANISH TREATIES.
Lord PALMERSTON said it was his intention, on
Tuesday next, to submit a motion on the subject of the
correspondence which had taken place between her Ma-
jesty's Government and the Spanish Ministry on the sub-
j ect of the treatiesexistingbetween thiscountry and Spain.
IRISH COLLEGES BILL.
On the motion that the Colleges (Ireland) Bill be
read a third time,
Mr. OSBORNE proposed that an humble address be
presented to her Majesty, praying that she will be
graciously pleased to direct an inquiry to be made into
the amount of the revenues of Trinity College, Dublin,
from rents of College lands, endowments and bequests, fees
on matriculation, on taking degrees, and from every other
source • also into the manner in which that income is
expended, the number of senior and junior fellows, of
professors, scholars, and all other officers of the college,
with the amount of salary and allowances to each of
them ; with a view to ascertain whether the income or
funds at present applied solely to the benefit of Pro-
testants in Trinity College, Dublin, might not be
beneficially extended, so as to make Roman Catholics
and Protestant Dissenters eligible, if otherwise quali-
fied, to all scholarships, and to all such fellowships,
professorships, and other offices in Trinity College, Dub-
lin, as are not intended for ecclesiastical purposes, or
immediately connected with ecclesiastical endowment.
He regretted that no Member of the Government had
brought forward this subject- However much he
might regret that the matter bad fallen into such in-
effectual hands, he would endeavour to make amends
for his inefficiency by the brevity with which he dis-
cussed it. He did not think lie could be
fairly charged with any desire to throw an impedi-
ment in the way of the proposed measure. He bad ab-
stained, hitherto, from entering on any of the details of
the measure, because, the more he considered the matter,
the greater would be its inability for the purposes
proposed, unless a great alteration took place
in the constitution of Trinity College, Dublin. The
whole system of that college was unknown—much yet
remained to be told with regard to the economy of its
internal working. There were subjects
which involved much consideration and inquiry
before any alteration in the collegiate
education was enforced. It would also be more prudent
to refrain from voting a large sum of money for a pur-
pose which the Catholic hierarchy had unanimously de-
clared would not be acceptable to the Irish people.—
He would, at the same time, ask Honourable Mem-
bers whether they knew how much the Roman
Catholics of Ireland contributed out of their own
resources to the support of the Catholic religion ? He
could tell them these individuals alone subscribedupwards
of 10,0001. annually to the propaganda of Lyons. In
the course of the present session a considerable sum of
money had been drawn from the consolidated fund for the
endowment of the Roman Catholic clergy, contrary to
the wishes and feelings of the people of England.
On the present occasion they were called on to vote
another sum of money from the same source—for the
establishment of three colleges which had been de-
nounced by the Roman Catholic prelates. It was impos-
sible to say what other dips would be made in this great
reservoir next session, but the Irish Land Commission
had suggested another encroachment upon it, viz, the
paytrent of 400,0001. to the Irish constabulary- 13Y
many these points were looked upon with indifferen"tO
and by the Ministry this consolidated fund seemed
be regarded as a sort of Pool of Bethesda,
where all the financial souls of Ireland might
be healed, whenever they thought fit to trouble its
waters. He saw no reason why Trinity College should
not be made available to the purposes of education
in Ireland. Almcst the whole emoluments of that
establishment were swallowed up by its fellows.
Only one in 320,000 of the Irish Catholic population
were educated there, and these were obliged to pay the
tutors, but were never allowed to participate in the
emoluments. He had had a notice on the paper, to
which the Right lion. Baronet seemed adverse to the
discussion of. On that occasion the Right Hon. Baronet
said that this was a question not to be hastily disposed
of, and on a late occasion also, the Member for the Uni-
versity of Dublin had resisted all inquiry into the sub-
ject, on the ground that the revenues of the College were
private property. He (Mr. Osborne) should like to ask
that Hon. and Learned Member if be represented them
as a'private or as a corporate body ?—:(Tlear, hear.) The
Lion. and Learned Member was a judge of law, and he
(Mr. Osborne) would be glad to know from him the dis-
tinction between public aad private property ? In order