The Sun.
London, England, 1819-05-04 00:00:00

it'de Friend might say, that another Act of in-
demnity won'd he passed before a final jodgnieot
could be obtained on the. fCtiOlr ; but thrs
might not ttlways be tie case. in England,
while in Ireland it could seldom happen, ter
there judgment might be obtiit►ed in tl►r
vext Term. lie remarked, that although, the
(1-h of Charles ►night give six months itt or-
d!tiary cases, to take the oath or office, yet with
re•pect to A Member of PArliament, not six mi-
nutes •ere allnwed for reflection. The best an-
swer, however, that could he given to the speech
of his Il.'n Friend was, that so numereos an as-
vembly was then engaged in discussing this im-
prt,tant question,. nut with more than pr.•tession,al
mci,mcn, but on the brood gtotinds of policy.—
'Fri., he believed, arose .from the effects of tilt:
Penal Code. Ile then .stated that Peri:ion.,
,igned by several rhousAtul 'l).orestants, from the
I'rot:•stant counties of MonagliAll, FonittnAgh.

Caran, Antrim!, Rod rollers, had been presented,
and many others might have been prepared, hut
fret the nnwillineness of the gentlemen of those
comities to r xcitt the feelingt of the people
objected to the Cointnittee for a third
reason, founded on the feeliogs of the [to;►
man Catholics themsc•ives. All the Petition•
presented from that body were stinlioosly silent
on the subject of safegnards. On this point the
House had had an instructive le-,sou from the
conduct of the Catholics with tegard to the
Bill brought in in 1813. That Hill had been
prepared by the shiest men on either side of
the House, and had incorporated every se-
cority that toms be devised ; but the greater
tie talents and the integrity displayed on that
oceagion, the snore manifest the difficulty of
fnCh an arrangement as would please
ell parties, The Bill, in fact. satisfied unite
but the framers of it. lie teeeer sate a Penteatarit
who approved of it ; and how did the Catholics
-rceive it 'When the measure teas k over,-inin
Trf 14od, Mectini!.o were be!;-1 in every (varlet• of
ti,c island, the Bill was universally declared to he
r penal law, and the Catholics expressed their
determination that they woold prefer their present
vale. The Clergy in particular, convened io re-
gular Synod, totanimonsly declared that they could
not acriniesce in that Bill " without ineurritte
the guilt of schism, and that, with the blessing
of God. they would sootier lay &vein their lives
than sobtut to it:* Stich were their very winds.
What a state would the Legislattoe he in, it having
granted every thing they could to the laity, 'hey
',vete then to approach the Clergy and have their
offer rejected ? Why then should the llotise now
go into a Committee with the ;nib) hope of having
something proposed in it, which would no (fordo
be equally illusory with their former exertions, and
no less mock the '(topes of those who might be
. spored tit niece any confidence in legislative ar-
ratigements. The only security, he said, that could
be wished, was something in the nature of a plan
that ,could testier the actt ve co-operation of the
Roman C...tholic Clergy ; hitt the Veto would not
do so. Ile .would not wish, be said, to create a
slavish-dependance of the Roman• Catholic Church
on the State ; he would wish that the Roman Ca-
tholic Clergy were independent hitt it watt, he
said, hopelesa to repeat, that when the ,notion of
Veto was mentioned, they expressed msckes
on it in terms of abotoinatioti.• Pity looked own,
that meteor, as an enslavenaeot of their Chore).
The Right !lon. Gentleman, be said, had stated,
that it was 40 years since the rigours of the Penal
Code were first abated its Ireland. From that pe-
riod to 1793,thinga remained in the sante sitoatioti.
The Catholics then obtained the Elective Pratt-
, chise, the power of serving ors Grand Juries, and
other privileges. It was then stated by the Ca-
tholics, that these privileges worthd satisfy them,
and yet they afterwards pressed forward fresh
claims. The Catholics now look fur eligibility;
the next step would be concession It had been
auld, that not one-sixth part of the Parlinmeut
would be composed of Catholics. But it would
oust be one-sixth—it would soon, as to the Irish
Members, amount to three-fourths. lle oppo•eii
the presetir motion, therefore, because the Ml' a-
sure contemplated would bring the Church Esta-
blishment into danger. - The-Cboreli of Em gland,
he considered, as connected with their civil free-
dom—he wished, therefore, to preserve it—he
coosideied it the tenure: of Ireland.

CnomEß explained. lie had giren lsis
rf-asems only as an inducement to go into theiit-

• quirt'. He wished nut to deceive the ilotise, but
he might be deceived himself. However, he
- thought he had stated nothing but tacts with re-
spect to the Statutes of which the Catholics could
avail thruiselves. And what would he the situa-
tion of the Protetatits thcm6Clyes, who had not
talien the oaths, if they were not protected by the
Bill of Indemnity ?
Lord NonmB,xive, if he had entertained any
doubt on the merits of the question, would have
114 d them .removed by the able speech of the
noitrable Secretary at the Admit alt y. But he telt,
that i advocating the cause of the Catholics, he
was twrintairing those principles of justice and
moderation which formed the hest ornament and
bulwark of that Constitution which they wete
charged with au intention to destroy.
Mr BaowNLow rose, because he thought fur-
tl.cr concession wolthi he dangerous to the Con-
stitution. Ile could perceive no change in the
Catholic anti contended that the Catho-
lic Cliqrch of Ireland had not rtes viudivated its
independence trom the •See of Rouse to the unitte
cicent as that of any other European country.
Mr. W. Wittx*o-& IlecnEtt should not only vote
forols motion, but Would' declare, in the since-
rity of hisleart, that he conceived no queitiOn
had ever heels brought beloi-e the Mow With
w,ich the prosperity of the country Was mote in-
timately connected than the present.
Sir R. Wit.soti stated that it had beets wronely
repttiented that -the City of London was 1ms:11e
to 'be Catholics. Two years since. it had leflt to
Peilii4jtieta a petition signed by 68,0(03 -persons
against them. but this year no petition at that
lint.' ltu I
,appeated.
14tfttl I.,(o.vl'Pait was nudes nod to express
that it was dangei 1:11) ;0 3(1011; tfs Cet
(co atl turttser share ,• in the Coosrilo-
.

c►ies of " Queitiorr!“ tiler. became ((.t>

IN TFIE FIRST FIVE NIINUT7.S. NEX"I"ITEsDAY,
TWO PitlZEs ,C 20,000 11UsT BE DILMN.—
FOITR PRIZES' OF ,/:zo.ool EIGHT PRIZES OF
1 cl.OOO, /71,000, AND . 4soo, &c. &c. AND ONLY
10,00.0 ricKETs.

E A T P. I C A REGISTE R.
Petr.rmeri Last Night.
TNYAIra. ROYAL, Dttu V"- LANE.--(10 time', Wanted a Wife.
printilvd haracters by Mr. M widen and Mrs. W. Wrst-
Alto. which, The Innkeeper's Danglitt r.
ROYAL. COVENT-GA or.N.—Romeo and Snlict :
into, Mr. C. Kemble ; Juliet, Miss O'Neill. Aftec
A Ituland fur an Oliver.

I'ItICE (IF STOCKS
jests f,AY AT I* W FAA' I, ..vei.ocK.
Bank Stock 451 Bank Lunt Ann. IR] 11-16th,
3 pet (:tilt. Itpd... 7 1.1 I i lndia Bonds, 481. 30i. pr.
I,ei Cent. Cons. ..73ii 1 South Sea Stock .....'9I
3 per Cent Snit I Oid Annuitie4
4 per Cints .....90i Exch. Bills, id.... Bs. 10s. pr.
4 per Ct. Navy Anti ..Io4li I Cons. for Account 721
—...._

AC:ULU:CI—I Waterford, t Cinerniey and JCl'Sry, I Sweden,

1 France.
Due-1 Waturfurd, ilamburgh.

141C11 WATEft Al LONI)tiN BRIDGE 7'O.MORROSV.
41 minutes Patti. to. I Evening, 7 minutes after 11.

THE SUN.

•OLCSI QUI% !►SCENE FALAUM AUDEAT

I,ON DON,
WES ILIV, MAY 4, ISI9.

We received this morning the Paris Papers a,
Saturday last. The following are extracts :

" CHAMBER OF DEPUTIES, Fato.tr, APRIL 30.
‘4 A grand Deputation was appointed to congratulate the
King, in the name of the Chamber, on the 3d May, the Anni-
versary of his Majesty** return to Paris.
" The discussion was resumed on the second projet respect-
ing the Press. The amendments muve3 by M. Bogne de
Faye, were got rid of by the previous question, arid the re-
maining Articles were agreed to.
" The Votes were then taken on the whole projet, when
there appeared fur it, 125 against it, 87. The projet was
therefore agreed to.

" 't'he Chamber adjourned till to-morrow, when the dis-
cussion is to be opened on the pi ojet respecting the Journals.

" the Secret Committee afterwards, the proposition of
M. Lafittr, bor dividing the Reserve Fund at the Bank
tioongst the Proprietors, was referred to the Committer. on
the Budget.

" l'Ants. MAT t.—The King yesterday transacted business
with the Ministtr for Foreign Affairs.

" 'flit .Nliiiistry hare restored the Soornals to freedom.
From this day' the ccosurship isiiippressed, and the Public
J00n!413 are only wilco:01e to the Common Law. With re-
gird, however, to rrsponi.ibility for their Articles, they will
he subjected to the provisions of the Law of the 9th -
her,
until the riew Lair respecting the Press shall have passed
both Chambers.
FIVR PER CENT 3.

Friday
DPI:BN RED BTEIC:K.
OftliC 44d I\ltrett, 1817, 84 f. 98c.
T.ld Seytt. 1617,
22d Nlnrc.h, 1818, BOl. 911 c.
Q 34 St•pt. 75f. 9)c.
42d Match, 1819, 7lf f. 95c.

. C 7 f. loc.

" CADIZ, Arial.. 9.-The preparations for the grand expe-
dition continue w:tii great activity ; but some difficulty is
etkperineed iii fitting out the ressels purchased from Kussia.
" MaNnetiK, APRIL 21.—Sand, the'assassin of Kotzebue.,
continues in a state of great weakness; be is Row speech

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Atottreal Herald, ATArch 13.)

YITZt. -4,I4cICKSZ I R V. TH E feitt OP SELKIRK.

was-t for' false imprisonineat
of the viaitoiti, a.relired partner of the North
Wrut C“ixiiianv, by the gall, at Fort William,
where he was thpownitita a dungeon, though in
x. (iii,tresseci state of %vitholit /my legai pro-
cre'll"K,. and kept there owier a military
o'nti; be wa, 14iii life to Lie it:

danger) to sign various deeds, prepsrell rnr the
purpne, pnrportine to be sales of the North West
Company's property, and R bond of 'Arbitration,

under colour of which, L►►rd SELKIRK. retained
Possession of the Fort and its contents, to the
value of full 100,0e101.—The Jury in this case
gave a verdict for 15001. damages.

LYMINGTON, MAY 3.—The Parser of the lion.
Company's ship Marquess Mindy, landed here
last night after post, with dispatches from China,
find from Sir lltiosoNt Lowa, :et St. Helena, to
Lo:d 11‘THURST ; and this morning landed the
Purser of the Thomas Courts, from Bombay and
China, with dispatches and mails.

THe Fu Nos.—The M►►ney Market has kept very
steady both yester►lay and this morning ; Consols
have been at 72 to for the Account, but very
little business is doing.'

The article which appeared in our Paper of
yesterday, stating the report that " orders have
been, recently issued in our Dock-yards for vi-
gorous warlike preparations," has been taken into
The Morning Chronicle of this day, with the fol-
lowing introduction :—" The Sun contains the
following alarming paragraph."—Now, far from
considering it as au alarming paragraph, we con-
ceive, if the report be well founded, and we did
not venture to vouch for the truth of it, that it is
highly gratifying to find that our Ministers
are alive to the interests of the Country, and
resolved to be prepared in case of danger.—
The Treaty with America is universally condemn-
ed by men of sound mercantile knowledge and
experience, and is likely to be so injurious to our
Colonial interests, that some modification appears
to be esseto ially necessary. The American Govern-

mew is evidently: actuated by the most encroach-
ing ambition, and seems to be augmenting its
militatTcharacter in order to cat ry its views into et-
feet, and therefore we are to look to the security of
our distant settlements. The situation of France
seems to be wholly dependent on the life of
the present Monarch, and Europe may again
be embroiled by a new Revolution. These
are the grounds upon which Government is
supposed to have acted in the orders which
have been alluded to ;----they are surely such
as will fully justify them in preparations for
the defence of the Empire in all quarters ; and,
therefore, if such orders have been actually is-
sued, we have no reason for alarm, but ought ra-

her to rejoice that our Rulers are resolved to be
n readiness for meeting any untoward event
:hat may arise from the circumstances in question.

We heartily congratulate the Country on the
result of last night's Debate—though we lament
the painful situation in which the Sovereign is
place►i by the frequent agitation of the Catholic
Question, and the support given to it by some of
his own Ministers. We trust there is no truth in
the rumours that some of them privately exerted
their influence on the occasion. The Public in
general, we are sorry to say, seem impressed with
the idea that such intetference actually took place,
and circumstances occurred in the course of the

last evening which give support to the rumour.
We are, however, fully convinced of the necessity
which still exists for the Protestant Community
to petition the Legislature on this vital subject,
sod of expressing unequivocally and publicly their
conviction of the calamitous consequences which
will ensue, if Parts-rs are admitted to the posses-
sion of Political Power. The small majority on
the division of last night slims how necessary it
is to request the personal attendance of the Mem-
bers on every discussion of it, and the people will
regret to learn, that upwards ot Serenty Members
had left the House, as it is said, under an idea
that the Debate was to be Hiljoorned to another
day, awi that must ot these Members were adverse
to the Question If, ,therefore, these Members
had remained at their posts, the majority would
have been so considerable, as, in all probability,
to prevent any future agitation of the Question ;
but trot' we shall not be surprised if Lord NUGUNT,
Or some of the other Supporters of the PAPISTS,
should propose again: eVen in this Session, ano-
ther discussion on it, though in some other shape ;
and therefore it is that we trust the Protestants
will persevere in petitioning both [louses of Par-
liament, for if it has no other good effect, it will,
at least, convince some of the Members ot
the Government that the GRIIAT MASS of
the Population of the Empire are decidedly
hostile to any inroad of this nature on the Con-
stitution of the Country in CHURCH and STATe ;
nor is it at all a matter of wonder, that such are
their feelings, when it is recollected that the Pa-
pists boldly proclaim that they never will allow
" their Church, its Ritual, or its Rights," to be
subject to the controul of the Legislature. With
this declaration 'before their eyes, we 'cannot re-
, train from ST.prcsiiut, Our sOrpriae, that 241 Milo-

hers should have voted in their favour, and which ill
increased, when we remember that many of them
profess themselves to be the]) seiples of Mr. l'iTrt
who, in 'March,before his death, on Mr.Sitantosl'i
-motion, declared he NEVER t70411(1, at a.iy rime, or
under any cit curnstances, agreeto refer the afelli°n
to a Committee. To that important Speech are refer
our Readers—it was a masterly exposition to the
state of the subject, and his reasons for refflting
at that time to grant the concessions, now so fr.
decently :urged, apply with tenfold force at 114
present moinent.—We nsost 'cordially calico
ap
the sentiments publicly expressed by the M'ets3-
bens of the PROTESTANT UNION, and we err g'll4'd
hear that '' the General Committee of 14010°1
PROTESTANTS Of ALL DENOMINATIONS " 1/14
shortly meet to prepare Petitions similar to 11"114
Which they presented to Parliament ill -15131
signed by upwards of sixty thousand persons. 1'43
itre free to own that we are disappointd 11341c,114
turn which the debate took last might.
latust again express our regret that any Alec'?4a
should, under such circumstances, it aye Veit tij°
House before it closed, as the smallness of the
Majority cannot fail to keep alive the eqleclia
Lions of the PAPISTS, which ought never c°
realized, so long as the Constitution .an 4
Government of this Country arc zuNDAmENTAIS
PROTESTANT.

g to
A Dutch Mail arrived last night with Pare I"
Saturday last. The following are extraets:----
az
HANoveR., APRIL 24.—We learn that the Prince 17t•feiiii4
England will visit one of the German baths, and will ""i,tbr
occasion honour this city with a visit. The solemn ";
tistrt of the young Prince, son of the Duke of Cainbc“,l..
will take place in a few days. Mr. Rose, the EnZllsl)'.
bassador at Berlin, will he.present at it.
FRANarottr, Aram 25.—The Duchess of St. Le"
Queen of Holland) has been for some days in this cityt°
leave of her sister-in-law, the Countess of Survilly(Eofue
of Spain), who it is affirmed will leave this city in the
of next month, and go to join her husband Joseph
parte in America.

EAST INDIA SHIPPING.
The East India Company's ships Marquess of Hnnlll—ret
m Thoas Coutis arrived off St. Alban's Head the 2d 'Y It
sailed from China the 9th December, from the Cape tia'e 4
February, from St Helena the 27th Februaci. ,
The Marquess of Huntly spoke the Lowther C 10.11,44.
Marquess Camden, outward-bound, on the Eqitaturs
V.T Wheest, on the Bth March , all well. tie
Asia was dispatched front Bengal for Magical"
24th December.

THE THEATRE.—In addition to the ossprecid.
dented novelties of one kind or another whicti
have been brought forward at Drury•lene 1.1144.;
tee (hiring the present season, a new Conicity
represented last night, under the title of, Wa'c :,
if
a Wife, or a Check on my Banker. Th'e
opens with an advertising office, kept by M`i
(Jon STON Arthur Wildfire (RussELL) °.5;
plies there for a wite, and his servant &fr...
(fiAHLEY), who had been discharged by 1114 1141140
ter, who could only pay him with a draft 64„-, c
pump at Aldgate, resorts there for a place.
many diverting and humoorotis perplexities, fr.
'"5l
re marries Catharine rirragon (Mrs. WEA;,
'Lady whose mind has been bewildered by re4".,11,e
old romances, and was chivalry-mad. She IS .00
ward of Sir Gabriel (MuNneN), an old woo 100-
delighted in sights, and who describes ail h
seen. At length Wildfire marries Miss CatiOriri;
and Frank her elder sister, an old maid. Ai..
Piece was well received, and with a few et'rt.t
60
meats, particularly the exclusion of some s'";if
parts, will probably excite public attention. I
attributed to a Mr. MoscatEr.

DUEL BETWEEN LOUD DONOUGHMOKS
COLONEL BAGW&LL. hN
Yesterday morning early a duel took pitice, act
tureen the Earl of DostouGnstotta and Cwl4o
BAGWELL, about three miles from town, on :le
Uxbridge road. The Noble Earl was ace°ll/ra,
uied by Sir It. WILsoN, and Colonel 13R-0546,
by Mr. JAMES DALY. It was agreed by the
conds to toss up for the first fire, mid the ritsAtts
pals having taken their station, Sir Roesler ft-a,
the signal to fire by throwing up bis hat- of
lone) MowELL {coed and missed. The Eatn„g,
DoNonciamoßE missed fire. Colonel BAS'
insisted he should fire. The Earl of Do",ny
MORE said it was impossible. Sir Itosigtor
soN observed the miss was decisive of '1%,0 •
This led to an attempt
t(
on the part of the Ldo!
to accommodate the business, which %vas 5441,11,e
with success, and the parties shook bands•
t,4
&idol DoNiouGuMORE expressed a hope dot
should prove better triends, to whirl 4%
4ie
BarewELL gave his cordial concurrence. The
ties then left the ground, and returned " tett i,pe
The quarrel, we understand, arose out 01 ids
Tipperary Election, and had no connectiol)
tist.o.•
the Catholic Question, as tvzs reported Yt
day.—(horning Papers.)

•ig
Nothing provokes the curiosity of peoP'e
much as the difficulty of its gratification ; I'4 110
stance, the fair Circassiln—whom nobodY ,"-,
seen, anti whom evety body wishes to see. 0
fottunate for those who pay court at a digat,
shrine, that dame Fortune is more " •c°ll)4. It,
able." This good Lady illrefide, with the 1144i11e
aoce of G. CARROLL, to distribute atuong9t hot
followers, on the lith of MAY, Two Prir.ol v
20,00Q1 in the FIRST FIVB QJINVTES.III:e, r 4
very contains Foort Prizes of 20,0001. %O IL
now on sale at her Favourite's OtliCeS ',705,
Corntlill, and 26, Oxford-street ; where N",
a Prize of 20,000 Guineas, and the highest 1
of
which the Lottery contained, with other
20001. 10001. 5001. Ste. were Sold in the 714(
Lottery, being more in amount than any
Office-keeper.

DIED t t 4
On Sstray, tbe I Pt insat, DIED.
his 110110 e, in 1331141."agrcepe
Portman u-squdare, aged 43,t Gne orge Brown, f.sq. 13" 4
her of Government at Borahay. ...,
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