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In a breach of promise of marriage, tried
lately in the King's Bench, Dublin, THERESA O'REILLY
plaintiff, and J. M'CANN defendant, the Jury found for
the plaintiff, with 6001. damages. There was nothing
worthy of notice in the case.

HIGHLANN INNS, &c.—A correspondent,
who signs himself " An English Traveller," wishes us,
now that the season for tours has approached, to point out
the excellent accommodation to be uset with in the North
Highland Inns. We believe the opinion entertained by our
correspondent is now a pretty general and true one. Ex-
ceptions are no doubt occasionally to be met with, parti-
cularly in secluded districts (the Inn at the Fall of Foyers,
for example,) but such instances are in reality "few and
fpoverty. Unless a man travel purblind like Dr. JOHNSON,
,s' and when they do exist, are caused chiefly by
t)ruck with the good accommodation, the taste
between,
onrt that now pervade our towns, and are fast
over the remotest districts of the Highlands.
°g
English friend, like a true Londoner, seems surprised
agbaaPtnerrdterra hbaee((ullisswnmtg be
similarity of manners in both countries:—" Judge
says he,
of my surprise," " on finding in the Orkneys, at
Kirkwall, the furniture in the parlours the same as at Lon-
don, the ladies dressed in the same style, and the general
manners and appearance of the respectable inhabitants pre-
cisely similar." This reminds us of PETER Pricnan's story
of the late KING'S visit to WHITBREAD'S brewery. His MA..
j inspected the butts and barrels, paid a visit to
t}lCT:ighving
pig-stye, and looking at the interesting objects it con-
tained, remarked that be had got some at Kew precisely
similar, upon which Miss WHITBREAD, in an ecstasy, ex-
claimed—

My father's pigs like Royal pigs, good God !
—lnverness Courier.

FEVER IN GLASGOW.—The Infirmary is
filled, and the demand for admittance increases in an in-
creasing and fearful ratio. On Thursday out of forty pa-
tients whose case required admittance and attendance,
there was room only for the admission of four, and the me-
dical attendants and directors of the Infirmary were under
the necessity of relegating to those dens of disease from
which they had issued the suffering patients. The con-
duct and activity of these gentlemen is at all times meri-
torious and praiseworthy ; but at this moment their efforts
to relieve their suffering fellow-creatures is above all praise.
Their exertions, however, can only alleviate, so far as
their means will allow, the distressing evil. It is not in
their power to remove it : it increases every hour, and the
time of termination cannot be foreseen nor accelerated.
The cause of the rapid spread of disease arises from- a mass
of our population being crowded into narrow abodes in the
various narrow and dirty lanes which abound in this city,
and which abodes rise in rows above each other, alike filthy
and destructive to comfort, to morals, and to health.—
Glasgow Courier.

CAIRN Goitm STONES.---These far-famed
Scottish gems, which about twenty years ago, formed a
source of considerable traffic to the natives, have now fallen
into what JEREMY TAYLOR calls " the portion of weeds
and outworn things." The traveller may obtain for six-
pence what would formerly have cost him several pounds ;
and in consequence, we believe, of the numerous importa-
tions from the Brazils, lapidaries have almost entirely turned
their backs upon this beautiful species of rock chrystal.
The light cherry-coloured sort is stiii sometimes used, but
the second description, that of port wine colour, has be-
come a drug in the market. At one time the Cairo
Gorm hills were let at a considerable rent by the Earl of
Fur. to Mr. SANDERSON', a lapidary of Edinburgh, and
so great was the rage for them that one piece,
upwards of a foot in length, and nearly as much in dia-
meter,or was sold to the late Marquis of frasris6 found
the enormous sum of 2001. Gems are generallY. ~
at the foot of hills, among the sand washed downti by the
down
th teo ol)
mountain streams; at Cairn Germ,
howevhere'rds they were
The .
frequently found in the native rock.
' ed the angles at which
by moonlight, and having recognised
and
the beams were reflected, they marked the spot, rose
dig for the expected trea-
sun to
next morning with the s
• a splendid brilliant is seen
sure. According to tradition,
of
the .
manWaal! endeavourslet
one
at night at Loch Avon--in 0
Cairn Goren scenes—wbich wooer the approach of the
mealuring
pre-
cipice lw means of ropes, but in endeavouring to reach the
~• prize, he bad nearly lost his life. The tradition
glittering _
of the diamond is not confined to the district of Radenoch.
A similar honour is claimed for the hill of Criffel, on the
shores of the Solway.—lnrerness Courier.
tsahme:hite.rds,A but has hyacsarhsi thbietrictoc, mockeda

a%e
cCommittee,
this
up
d taao:
Mr. P. THOMSON presented a petition fro►u
East India merchants, praying that the duty on silk
imported from India might not exceed thirty per•
Bill ordered
rd'elrlede
Cell r.
On the motion of Dr. PHJLLIMORE tl►e War.
den of the Cinque Ports Bill was read a third time,
and passed.
On the motion of Mr. SUGDEN the Property of
llvnafssa nirt.s
readit amendu►ents
a third"e re
On the motion of Mr. SUGDEN, the Lunatics'
Estate Bill went through a Committee, andthe • repo► t•
was ordered to be received to-morrow.
Mr. WYNN brought up the report of the Elec-
tion Petitions Committee, and the resolutions wc►e
agreed to, and added to the standing orders.
On tb
J 9.8 orderedil Itio'rebnet
GRAHAMri toe
broughti
-..e motion of Mr. COURTENA Y, the
Pilotage Bill was read a third time and passed..
taGignerleenceto(ria.tlmo:lor'aurnorkivpt.tee
Mr. LABOUCTIERE presented a petition from
three inhabitants of Canada, complaining of Lord Dal-
housie, the Governor of that Colony, for dismissing
some officers of the Canada Militia, and suppressing
the publication of certain newspapers in that Colony,
for the part taken by them relat►ve to thy dissolu-
tion of the Canadian Legislature by his Lordship.
He (Mr. L.) took that oNfortunity, before the close
of the Sessien, to implore his Majesty's Govern-
ment to take into the;r most serious consideration
the condition of that colony, wraith a view to conci-
tltebileileianr(iievieidpieoitilhlrote,otityls:::
liation and amendment.

Sir GEORGE MURRAY expressed himself
very anxious to take every step to allay the irri-
tation which at present existed in Canada, and he re-
gretted that the seeds of that irritation were sown

long before The arrival of Lord Dalhousie in that
Colony. A Committee had been appointed tb enquire
into the state .ofthat Colony, and he pledged himself to
avail himself of every suggestion which might appear
their report for the improvement of the zystein of
Geweentnent in that country.
NE% HUSKISSON thought the appointment
of the Committee to inquire into the sit& of
the Colony would be productive of the greatest
benefits to the -colony. He defended the conduct of
the Governor in dismissing the. Militia Officers, as
they, according to Lord Dalhousie, were guilty of ttri
litary insubordination, but he (Mr. I-I.) at tht same
time considered it a hardship that n'el'sons hold-
ing military rank in that Colony, should be re-
strained from exercising their civil rights, and he
thought that the statements in the petition deserved
the consideration of Parliament and of his Majesty's
Government, with a view to the amelioration of ate
condition of that Colony.
Sir J. MACKINTOSH said that the alienation '
of the feelings of the people of Canada from this
(-wintry was owing rather to recent events than to
any defects in the .system adopted at the time
of the annexation of that Colony to Great Britain.
During the last years the temper of the Colonies
was changed, and he could not but think that there
must have been something in the conduct of the
Governor, or of those by whom he ties advised,
to cause that estrangement.
An Hon. GENTLEMAN stated his opinion, that
though there were difficulties and evils inherent in
the Constitution of the Canadas, yet the most seri-
ous were not the fault of the system itself, but of
the manner in which it was administered.
Mr. ROBINSON thought that the evils of which
the Canadians complained, resulted from the increase
of the wealth and numbers of the British population,
who -were dissatisfied with the French Laws and
Institutions.

Mr. WILMOT HORTON implored the House
to pause, before it forined any definite opinion as to
this question.

M. S. WORTLEY felt it his duty to bear tes-
timony to the fact, that the general sentiment among
the Canadians was, that the major part_ of the blame
attached to the Colonial Department.
Mr. F. LEWIS maintained that the evils of Ca-
nada arose principally from a bonafide mistake on the
part of the French Colonists as to their position.
After a few words from Mr. Secretary PEEL,
Mr. LABOUCHERE, and Sir J. MACKINTOSH, the pe-
tition was ordered to be referred to the Select Com-
mittee.

STATE OF IRELAND.
Lord J. RUSSELL rose to state, with reference
to his notice, which stood on the Order for Thurs-
day, that knowing the great difficulty, at this late
period of the Session, of procuring such a full at-
tendance of Members as the great importance of the
subject required, he should withdraw the notice.

CUSTOMS' BILL.
On the motion of Mr. COURTENAY, the fur-
ther consideration of the Report of the Customs'
Bill was resumed.

Mr. FYLER complained of the change made in
this Bill to the injury of the Silk Trade, by substi-
tuting the ad valorem duty of thirty per cent. for
the rated scale now in use. This was peculiarly
unfair after the declaration of the Right i-ion. Gen-
tleman, the Vice President of the Board of Trade,
and more especially as no notice had been given to
the Manufacturers of Macclesfield and Spitalfields,
who justly felt aggrieved.
Mr. COURTENAY moved that the Amend-
ments be agreed to.
Mr. FYLER moved, that the words—" As here-
inafter excepted" stand part of the clause.
After a few words from Mr. T. P. Courtenay,
Mr. Wynn, the Speaker (who was so hoarse as to
I.;e scarcely audible in the gallery), Mr. C. Grant,
and the Chancellor of the Exchequer,
Mr. P. THOMSON entered into a calculation,
showing that the rateable duty imposed on East
India Silks amounted, un an average, to from 50s.
to
_.555. per cent.

Mr. BRIGHT thought it would be best to re.
commit the Bill.

The SPEAKER observed, that if the proposed
alteration did not affect the letter of the law, and
only applied to the fluctuations of the market, then
it might be proposed; if not, it would be necessary
to re-commit the clause.

Mr. Secretary PEEL thought, that if any doubt
existed on the point, the safest course would be to
re-commit the Bill.
Mr. FYLER moved that the clause be re-com-
mitted.

The SPEAKER put the question.
Mr. W. W. WYNN wished to know, whether the
clause itself, or the whole Bill, was to be re-eoln-
rnitted

The SPEAKER said the clause only.
Mr. HUSKISSON observed, that when it was
proposed to impose an ad valorem duty on East
India silks, they were told that it would be difficult
to fix that duty, owing to the ignorance of those by
whom the value of the article was to be ascertained.
It was then determined to adopt a rate of duty
founded as nearly as possible on..the scale of 30 per
cent., and this expetiment Was to be. continued for
two years; at the expiration of which, in October,
this year, the ad valorem duty of 30 per cent. was to
be again imposed. Alterations having, however,
taken place, it was determined to continue the rate
of duty for another year; and under this pledge, no
doubt, considerable orders had been sent out; which,
considering the distance, must be productive of great
injuries to the parties, if that understanding were not
to be verified. He begged to caution the Eight
Hon. the Vice-President of . the Board of Trade
against allowing' himself to be persuaded by certain
branches of trade; if he did this, he would never be
able to carry any great measure, as he would be con-
tinually requested to open all other branches as freely
as possible, but to give the particular applicant a de-
cided monopoly.—(Hear.)

Mr. T. P. COURTENAY assured his Right
Hon. Friend that nothing was more distant from
his thoughts than a desire to depart from the system
adopted by his Right Hon. Friend. But he certainly
was anxious to re-commit this clause of the Bill on
the grounds stated by his Hon. Friend.
Mr. C. GRANT explained.
Mr. BRIGHT thought that as the Silk Trade
had been assured that no alteration was to take place
this year, public faith ought to be kept with them.
Mr. ROBINSON should vote for the re-commit-
ment of the Clause.

Mr. ROBT. GRANT observed, that the pledge
alluded to by the Hon. Member was given by the
Act of Parliament passed in" 1826. He always .felt
the greatest indignation at thelegislation which was
adopted towards India—and it would not require, in
his opinion, a strong case to be made out, to induce
him to support anymeasure for the relief of India.
The House then divided— •

Ayes - - - 37 • .
..
Noes • 34
Majority •
The Bill was then re-committed. . :- .-.• •
Mr. FERGUSSON,. on our return to the .Gal-
lery, was addressing the House'on:the heavy duties
imposed in India on the English:and Foreign goods:
Ile considered that the reduction, on silks imported
from India ought to take place; agtecably• to the
pledge given, to 30 per cent. Parliament was
pledgrid indeed to permit the Bill. to expirein Oc-
tober, 1828. Very large orders were given on the
assurance that the Act would expire in October,
1828, and that the duty of 30 per cent. would come
into force. He thought it unfair to disappoint those
expectations.
Mr. FYLER moved a clause,.-the„,object of
which was understood to be, that the Act.relatiug
to the duty on silk should continue in force for ano-
ther year.
Mr. HUSKISSON said, that this was not the
first time he had had to contend with a Member for
Coventry (Mr. Fyler is one of the Members for that
city) on the subject of the Silk Duties. In 1826
he had to contend with a predecessor (Mr. Ellice) of
the Hon. Member. At that period he thought there
was a clear and distinct understanding of thentairi-

mum duty at which silk should he imported at the
expiration of this year. He thought; there had been
an error in the delay, and certainly tS'al, thir should
not be made to operate fl's an injustice to the In-
' dians. This pfiettge had been made, not by any in-,
Vl'lernber of Government merely, but it had
't`zs'en made by' Parliament itselfit Wag 94 (iti. upon
the understanding on which ttie. -I.l‘e‘asUres of 1826
had passed, and he%4,ted,lipon those who supported
' him then t 6 support now the pledge which had
veer* 'given as to the relaxation of the duty at the
dose of the year 1828.
Mr. Secretary PEEL had no doubt a 3 to the
principle of the measure, He its 6Vvare that a
pledge had been (rive..o •by either of his RightHon:Friends Messrs, huskisson and Grant); who had
been nembers of a former Adreinistratiot4 that this
taw should certainly expire it the close of the pre-
sent year. He Was -.,*tire his Right Hon. Friend
(Mr. Courtenty) was not aware of any such pledge
having been given, or he would not have made the
zr.Alciaration which he had done to the Deputation
that waited upon him—that there was no intention
this year of
.making any alteration in the Silk Duties.
As, therefore, the case of those who were deeply in-
tFHrsted in the Silk Trade had not been heard, he
thought the present law might, without much incon-
venience, be continued for another year.
Mr. ROBINSON prt`ferred the declarations made
by the present Vice-President of the Board of Trade
to those who had previously presided over that
Board, because the declarations of the former were
made openly in the House, whereas those of the
latter were made privately to persons nut of Parlia-
ment. It had been said, that the Bill in its pre-
sent proposed shape had gone out to India, which
sheaved that there was no disposition to give encou-
ragement to commercial speculation.
Mr. CHARLES GRANT s'id, that a general
expectation had been held out and entertained that
the present Act would expire in October, 1828, and
that the duty of 30 per cent. would be substituted '
for it. This expectation should not be disappointed.
—(Heae, hear.)—He was somewhat surprised to
hear his Right Hon. Friend (Mr. Peel) say, that it
was requisite that the parties should be heard, and
that a full- investigation should take place to deter-
mine what principles should be adopted. He would
ask, had not such an investigation been gone through
—(Hear, hear.)—And were not the principles
adopted by the House, the result of the fullest in-
vestigation and the amplest discussion?—(Cries of
hear, hear.)—A distinct understanding and pledge
was given by the House that at the expiration of
the present Act, in 1828, a duty of 30 per cent.
should be substituted; and he apprehended great
inconvenience would arise, and great alarm be
created, if technical objections were permitted to
interfere with anti to defeat a pledge given in such a
manner. He could state that a short time previous
to his leaving office, there was no expectation en-
tertained among those engaged in the silk trade iu
this country that there would be any departure from
the plan which had been laid down, and those per-
sons were apprized and aware that the change which
had been resolved upon in 1826 would be carried
into effect for the establishment of the duty of 30
per cent.

- Mr. Secretary PEEL said as his Right Hon.
Friend (Mr. Courtenay) had declared to persons
deeply engaged in the silk trade, that there was no
intent►on of making any change this year ; as his
Right Hon. Friend was not aware of any pledges
hav►ng been given by his Right Hon. Friends upon
the subject ; and as, in consequence of these cir-
cumstances, the representations of these persons had
not been entered into, he thought that the present
Act might be continued for another year, and, on
this ground, he would vote in support of the clause
of the Hon. Member (Mr. Fyler).

Mr. P. THOMSON said, that this was a ques-
tion involving injustice to two parties—to our ma-
nufacturers at home, and to the Indians. The pro-
portions of the magnitude of the injustice became
then the subject of consideration ; and in this view
the injustice to the Indians was incomparably the
greater. The Indians had obtained a pledge, and it
appeared by the account of the large commercial
orders recently given, that the Indians had acted in

the confiden4 that that pledge would be fulfilled.
But what had been the inconvenience to the manu-
facturers here ? His Right Hon. Friend (Mr. C.
Grant) had assured the House, that but a short
time before his leaving office—about three weeks
ago—the manufacturers were fully in expectation
that the change as intended in 1826, would be car-
ried into effect. What new speculations could they
have entered into since that time ? What silk could
they have put on their looms ?—what losses could
they have sustained. These, surely must be very
inconsiderable, compared with the great and positive
hardships which must be endured by the Indians,
who had received a pledge of two years' standing, on
the faith of which they relied, upon which they
acted, and entered into important and extensive com-
mercial engagements.
Mr. AT WOOD acknowledged that if there
was, not even a pledge, but merely an understanding
in an Act of Parliament, that it ought to be binding
on the Legislature; but he really could.not perceive
that that was the case in the present instance.
Mr. HUSKISSON, in explanation, stated that
the understanding to which he had alluded, was the
understanding of the Act of Parliament. In conse-
quence of a Resolution of the House, a Bill was
brought in in 1824, imposing an ad valorem duty of
30 per cent. on the admission of all foreign silks. It
being thought, however, that the Custorr.-house
officers were not sufficiently aware of the value of
the respective articles to impose the proper duty, a
temporary Act was introduced, imposing a rateage
duty; it being, however, distinctly understood by
the parties interested, that Parliament did not mean
knowingly or willingly that that duty should exceed
the duty originally imposed of 30 per cent.

Mr. ATWOOD insisted that Parliament knew
nothing of understandings or contracts ; and must
be determined in their proceedings solely with a
view to what, under existing circumstances, it was
most fitting to do.
Mr. HUSKISSON repeated his explanation,
expressing his regret that he should be obliged to
detain the House on a point which he was sure no
one could possibly mistake, but the Hon. Gentleman.
Mr. FERGUSSON insisted that • the original
Act of Parliament was a pledge the duty should not
be more than 30 per cent.

Sir J; MACKINTOSH said, the principle on
whieh he (Sir J. Mackintosh) considered himself
bound to proceed was, the obvious intention of the
Legislature. Rejecting all personal pledges, what
he had to inquire was the just construct►on to which
the two Acts of Parliament in question were liable.
Hon. Members had talked of surprise ! Why, here,
at an advanced period of the Session, was this at-
tempt made to hurry the House by surprise into
the relinquishment of principles established for five
or six years. The measure under discussion was not
an isolated measure ; it was part of a general system
which.had.prevailed from 1824 down to Friday last.
It appeared to him the-simplest and clearest ques-
tion possible. Indeed, he observed that the Right
Hon. the Secretary of State for the Home Depart-
ment felt the general principle of- the question press
so strongly upon him, that he was obl►ged to take
refuge in the personal pledge of the' Vice-President
of the Board of Trade ; for the 'Right Hon. Gen-
, tleman avowed his adherenA to those just and libe-
ral principles of commercial policy which, when _all
memory of the present disputes had passed away,
would immortalize the Presidents of the Board, of
Trade by whom they had been introduced.
A MEMBER, whose name we could not learn, re-
presented the present distressed state of the Silk
Trade in this country. There were in Spitalfields
thousands of weavers unemployed.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
defended his Right Hon. Friend near him from the
charge- of having suddenly and surreptitiously
brought forward the present proposition. What
pledge had Parliament given upon.th►s subject ? He
knew very well that the alteration had been made
because a difficulty was found in estimating the

value Of the article on which the duty was to be im-
posed. If the Act imposing a rateage duty *ere to
be:allowed to expire, that difficulty ivould be suddenly
revived. lii order to give tithe to Consider whe-
ther they would i:eVert tti the system that had been
Phial s 6 difficult of execution, or construct a new
scale of rateage duties, it was deemed expedient
that no alteration should take place until the next
Session of Parliament; but that the Bill about to
expire should be continued. He was not disposed
to support any measure continuing a higher duty on
the manufactures of India than the Legislature had
originally in contemplation but he•felt.that, as it
had bttn intimated to the parties interested, that in
Consequence of the difficulties of the subject, no
change would take place in the present Session; and
as, in consequence, they had absented themselves
when they were, no doubt, prepared to establish
their grounds of objection by proof, he thought
himself bound to vote for the Amendment of the
lion. Member for Coventry.
A division then took place. The numbers were—
For the Amendment 47
Against it 35
Majority
On re-entering the gallery we found Mr GRANT
moving an Amendment to the Clause, that the ex-
isting scale continue to the 30th of October, 1829,
that it should continue enly to the next Session of
Parliament.
The Amendment was put and carried without a
division. The House resumed, and the Report was
ordered to be received to-morrow.
SUPERANNUATION ALLOWANCE BILL.

• The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
moved the Order of the Day on the Superannuation
Allowance Bill.
Mr. HUDSON GURNEY held in his hand a
petition against the Bill, signed most respectably by
500 persons in Government offices. The peti-
tioners urged, and in his opinion, with great justice,
that the proposed Act was a decided breach of faith,
towards them on the part of the Government. It
was a violation of the contract on which they had
been induced to enter the Government service. He
moved that the petition be brought up and read.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER,
withdrew the motion for the Order of the Day, that
the petition might be brought up.
The petition was then brought up, and read at
length by the Clerk of the House. After it was
laid on the table it was snatched up by the Treasury
Bench, that several of the Ministers might read the
signatures.
Sir H. HARDINGE had to present a similar pe-
tition from the Clerks of the Ordnance Department,
to whose useful services and good conduct he could
personally hear testimony.
This petition was also read at length, and ordered
to be printed.
Mr. F. BUXTON had a similar petition to pre-
sent from the Clerks of the Excise. The Clerks un- '
der former Treasury regulations had made a super-
annuation fund of their own, amounting to 72,0001.,
which had been seized by Government, on a promise
of providing superannuations for the Clerks. The
present measure was unjust, unless that sum, with
interest, and an allowance for the difference in the
price of Stocks, were returned to the subscribers.
The Hon. Member for Wareham had called upon
Mr. Canning, when in office, to resist a similar mea-
sure in consistency to the opposition he had given to
such a plan when out of office. He therefore hoped
he should have the vote of the Hon. Gentleman.

The petition was then brought up and read.
The Order of the Day for the second reading of
the Superannuation Allowance Bill was then read.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
moved that the Bill be then read a second time.
Colonel SIBTHORPE had not been entrusted
with a petition, but the Gentleiden of the Hackney
Coach Office had made a representation to him, to
which he felt himself bound to call-the attention of
the House. They were a deserving body of men, as
well as many others whose claims had been 'made
known to the House. He hoped the Bill would not
be persevered in.
Mr. TRANT opposed the Bill.
Mr. H. DAVIS opposed the Bill as unjust. He
would recommend that the measure should be post-
poned till the next Session.
Sir• ROBERT WILSON also opposed the Bill.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
was anxious to state the reasons why he was placed
in the situation, one of the most painful he had ever
known, of bringing in the Bill. It had pleased the
House to appoint a Finance Committee, and it was
the unanimous opinion of that Committee to re-
commend the measure then under consideration to
the House. On that account he was Frepared to
vindicate the measure he had been called on to
submit to the House, and he was bound to state
the reasons on which the Committee had come to
their decision. The whole expenditure for the
service of the country the Committee found to
amount to 21 millions, and of this five millions were
appropriated to the ineffective service, including
superannuation, pension, and retired allowances.—
The Committee was anxious not to deprive the
country of the active services of those engaged in
the public departments, and they therefore turned
their attention to consider if it were possible, with-
out any deviation from principles, prospectively to
diminish the expenditure for services that were past.
Of the five millions which the ineffective service of
the country cost, the Committee found that nearly
half a million was appropriated • to the payment of
the Civil Pensions, and this sum had been increased
within a few years from 330,0001. Finding, there-
fore, that this sum was increasing so rapidly, they
thought it their duty to recommend the measure
then before the House. He begged the House
would believe, 'that he, from his long acquaintance
with the different departments of the public service,
felt the measure to be particularly severe, and that
he particularly regretted the necessity to propose it:
At the same he must state that the Committee were
not aware of that peculiarity in the situation of the
Clerks of the Ordnance, as it had been represented
by their petition. The Committee were not aware
that they had been regulated in 1825,. and stood,
therefore, on a different footing from those Clerks
whose offices had been regulated in 1821. There
might, perhaps, be other Gentlemen in a similar
situation; and if the House should think it better to
go over all the departments, and ascertain that there
were no others under the same circumstances, so
that the measure could be strictly applied on the
principles of the measure of 1822, he, of course,
should not oppose the decision of the House.

Mr. C. GRANT heard with great satisfaction
the latter part of his
.Right Hon. Friend's speech,
when he declared that he was ready to postpone the
measure till next Session, for, in his opinion, it was
a measure that would inflict a'great deal of evil on
a deserving class of persons, and was an act of posi-
tive injustice. The persons they were then about
to tax were the real efficient working men by whom
all the business of the Government was conducted,
and the whole machinery of Government was kept
going. To them the heads of every department
were obliged to have recourse for all the information
they•obtained, and on them they must rely to carry
their orders into execution. He regretted to find
that a recommendation of the Finance Committee,
j for which he had a high respect, seemed to involve a
breach of faith. The present measure was not, as
they stated, merely a revival of the measure of 1822,
it was much more severe. By that measure the
. fund for the Superannuation allowances was to be
derived in part from the contributions of the dif-
ferent
officers, and in part from public sources ; but
by this measure the whole of that fund was to come
prospectively from the officers themselves. It
was to 'be formed from their own contributions.
The Committee might have recommended a re-.
duction of their salaries ; they were public
servants; but let not that, which was. a re-
ward for services, long and faithfully performed,
be touched. This was a principle held sacred in
other departmenN4of the public service in the army
and navy ; and why not in the civil service of the
Government ? He would ever support the principle

that the public faith ought to be religiously kept with
those who devoted their lives to the public service.
Gentkitten Might call this extravagthice, and lament
over the expence, but it was an expenditure repaid
with large and usurious interest. The force of thiii
principle was admitted as it respected the military and
naval service; and was not the same principle equally
applicable to the civil service ? To him it seemed
equally, or more so, for the civil servants of the Go-
vernment rendered their important services in compara-
tive obscurity, enjoying none of that fame—none of that
splendour which attended the public services of the
army and navy, and were their best reward. But in
the Civil Departments, as much zeal in the service
of the country, as ardent a devotion to the duty, as
.great a sacrifice of family connections, and of all
private interests, were to be found in the obscure
recesses of a public office, as was ever witnessed in
a campaign ; and life was there sacrificed as well as
on a field of battle. He might mention gentlemen
known to many of those who heard him, who had by
their zeal in the service of the country lost their lives ;
but he would content himselfwith referringto one Mr.
Hill, who had as much fallen a victim to the public ser-
vice,as if he had faced a cannon, and perished on a field
of battle. Had they not seen in that House, too, the
gradual decay of intense energies engaged in the
service of the country; the keeping away, because
ill health would not allow of the fatigues, the return-
ing to the labour night after night, the warnings by
disease against such continued exertions; and had
they not seen these warnings neglected, and a man
diligent in the discharge of his duties, till he could
discharge them no more.—(Hear, hear.)—lt was
wrong to call this a money question; it was a ques-
tion of all that was great in private energies, and all
that was valuable in public services. It was much
too important a question to be decided at the end of
a Session. It was a question that concerned all the
civil servants of the Government—a valuable class
of men, without whose assistance Government
could not be carried on. He rejoiced, therefore,
that his Right Hon. Friend meant to postpone the
measure till the next Session. The Bight Hon.
Gentleman then examined some particular parts of
the Bill to which he objected, particularly that part
of it which did not allow the representatives of
clerks and other officers to have any of the money
which was taken from them, and which was to be
appropriated to another fund. This he characterized
as not being good faith. The fund belonged, he
said, to them, and they or their representatives
ought to have it. On these grounds he objected to
the measure, and he was glad that his Right lion.
Friend meant to re-consider it ; and he hoped he
would expunge from it, should he again bring it for-
ward, all the obnoxious parts:

Sir HENRY PARNELL rose only to confirm
what had been stated by the Right Hon. Gentle-
man opposite as to the motives which had induced the
Committee to recommend this measure, which it had
done unanimously. The manner in which the Finance
Committee had looked at the question was on the
principle of economy, and not on that of morality.
It had appeared to them, taking all things into con-
sideration, that the salaries of some of the clerks
were beyond what they ought to be, and the Com-
mittee had therefore thought that these superannua-
tions ought to be charged on the clerks. It was on
these grounds that the Finance Committee had come
to this conclusion; and so far from wishing to be
the means of introducing any harsh measure, they
had adopted as a precedent the Bill of 1822, and it
was on that recognised principle that the present
measure had been submitted to the House. In his
opinion, he must confess that..it would be better for
the clerks to submit to this proposed superannua-
tion, than to undergo that strict and severe exami-
nation into the propriety of their present salaries,
which was proposed as a substitute for the present
measure. It should also be observed, that the Fi-
nance Committee had by no means wished to be
positive in their measures, as might be observed,
when it was remembered that it was not only against
those clerks of lower salaries that they had directed
their efforts, but that much better paid officers had
Come under their notice, and that there were salaries
as high as from 1,3001. to 1,8001. a-year, which they
bad recommended to be reduced.

Sir J. MACKINTOSH said, that there appeared
to be two very different views of the question, one
of which had been painted by his Right Hon. Friend
(Sir 11. Parnell) on the side of saving; and the
other by the Right Hon. Gentleman opposite (Mr.
C. Grant), on the side. of justice ; and certainly the
term justice might be applied to a case in which no
less than 3,000 persons were so deeply interested,
and whose comfort and respectability depended so
much on the turn this measure might take.—(Hear,
hear.)—lt was very necessary that this comfort and
the respectability should be kept up, for it added, in
no small degree, to the public welfare ; and it was a
remarkable thing that every foreigner who had in-
quired into the subject had borne testimony to the
circumstance, that there was less divulging of the
secrets of office among the public servants of Eng-
land than in any other State in Europe; and it was
equally true, that within the last century there had
been much less of fraud and peculation among the
officers of the public than in any other kingdom.
Mr. W. HORTON thought that the proposed
measure was neither more nor less than a reduction
of the clerks' salaries and he certainly could not
see any detriment to the public benefit by the mea- ,
sure being postponed.—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. ROBINSON likewise supported the post-
ponement of the measure.
Mr. COURTENAY thought that the Finance
Committee had not proceeded on a fair ground, ac-
cording to the statement of the Right Hon. Baronet.
If he understood him (Sir H. Parnell) right, the
Committee had not had time to investigate the whole
of the matter; and they had, therefore, come down
to the House with the sweeping proposition of cur-
tailing all—whether good, bad, or indifferent. He
was quite willing to admit that in every office there
were a certain number of idle men ; and he would
much rather see a determination adopted, in lien of
the present measure, of keeping them down, and
bringing those who were industrious forward.
Sir H. PARNELL explained.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
then consented to withdraw the Bill.—(Hear.)