The Sun.
London, England, 1844-06-11 00:00:00

CHAPELS BILLS.

Mr. C..BULLER wished to know from the Right
Hon. Baronet at the head of the Government, when he
intended to proceed with the Ecclesiastical Courts Bill,
and whether there was any probability of its being
further proceeded with during the pre'ent ses3ion.—
(Hear, hear.) He also wanted to know when the Dis-
senters' Chapels Bill would be proceeded with.
Sir R. PEEL said that the Government had no great
temptation to name an early day for the further consi•
deration of the Ecclesiastical Courts Bill, as they had
not yet got through the first clause.
Mr. C. BULLER—Cannot it come on on Friday ?
Sir R. PEEL said that it was impossible it could come
on on that day. As to the Dissenters' Chapels Bill,
the Government were anxious to proceed with it as soon
as possible.

COUNT OSTROWSKI.
Captain BEItNAL wished to put a question to the
Right Hon. Baronet, the Secretary of State for the
Home Department. The liberty.' of the subject had
been violated a few days since in the person of a
Polish, • officer, who had .not only - been sent to
prison, but the whole of his papers had been taken by
the police. He wished to know whether that had been
done by warrant, and whether the Right Hon. Baronet
was at all aware of it ?
Sir J, GRAHAM said, his attention had only been
called to the subject by what he had read in the papers.
In consequence of what he had seen, he made inquiries
that morning on the subject of the Police Commissioners,
and he understood from them, that from private infor-
mation they had received the police captured the
party, and the Commissioners thought the police were
justified in apprehending the party. The charges that
were made were proved before the magistrate, the party
was held to bail, and if he was not satisfied at the course
pursued, he had his remedy elsewhere.
Mr. BLEW ITT said, in his opinion there had been
no justification whatever for seizing the papers of the
individual allUded to, and more especially in the mann( r
which in this instance had been adopted.
DON CARLOS—SPAIN.
Mr. BORTHWICK said he wished to put a question
of which he wad given notice to the Right Hon. Gentle-
man (Sir Robert Peel). The matter to which it had
reference had been recently very strongly discussed
both in the French and English newspapers. Ho wished
to know whether any proposition had been made
by Don Carlos in reference to the marriage of the Queen
of Spain. whether such proposition had been submitted
to the English Government, and what had been their
answer upon the subject.
Sir R. PEEL said, in answer to the question which
had been put to him, he begged to state that a com-
munication had certainly been made to the British
Government of the proposition made by Don Carlos, in
reference to the marriage of the Queen of Spain. The
communication was of an indirect and informal charac
ter ; but it was to the effect that the son of Don Carlos
should be united to the Queen of Spain. The Hon. Gen-
tleman (Mr. Borthwick) asked if the object of the propo-
sition was not the tranquillisation of Spain ? That certainly
was stated as a chief object by Don Carlos, but her
Majesty's Government did not think the effect of
those propositions would be such as were anticipated by
the parties making them. The propositions had not
been very distinctly put, but Don Carlos, in making
them, did not relinquish for himself and for his son
a claim to the throne of Spain. The course the
English Governrrient had taken was to' make the
Government of Spain acquainted with the proposals of
Don Carlos, and this on the principle that that Government
alone was competent to decide the question.— (Hear,
hear.) He (Sir IL Peel) might at the same time be al-
lowed to state his opinion that the question was not a
mere, question of personal claims, but rather one of great
constitutional principle. The propositions of Don Car-
los had been referred to the proper and competent
authority—the Government of Spain.
Lord PALMERSTON understood that the opinion
of her Majesty's Government was, that the arrangement
proposed by Don Carlos would not accomplish the object
at which it professed.to aim, namely, the tranquillisation
of Spain. He wished to ask if, in communicating that
proposition to the Spanish Government, 'the British
Government had expressed its own opinion as to the
effect of the proposal, or if it had simply made the com-
munication to the Spanish Government?
Sir ROBEWI' PEEL replied that the main object ,
of the proposal was to bring about a marriage be-
tween ,the eldest son of Don Carlos and the Queen
of Spain. It was also stated that in case of that
proposition being entertained, Don Carlos would
state the concessions which he was willing to make to
accomplish that marriage. What those concessions were
to be was not stated. He bad not stated whether he
pm posed to waive, on behalf of himself and h's
son, every claim to the throne of Spain. It
had been made, perhaps, necessarily in an in,'
direct manner—he did not complain of that, be-
cause Don Carlos having no representative at our
Court, the proposition could not have been made in any
other manner. The British Government had contented
itself with making the communication to the Goveiri •
ment of Spain, but had not expressed any, opini( n in
favour of the acceptance of the proposal, because they
did not think that its acceptance would tend to the
tranquillisation of Spain. The differences existing
in Spain were not differences with regard to questions
of succession, but differeeces with regard to different
modes of government. The British Government had
not concealed that opinion from the Court of Spain; but
it had used no influence in fayour 'of the proposition,
neither had it thrown any obstacles in "the way of its
acceptance.
Lord PALMERSTON agreed in the views of the
Right Hon. Baronet as to the fact that the proposite.n
would not lead to the tranquillisation of Spain, but the
mere fact of the British Court having transmitted the pro-
position to the Court of Spain would seem to given weight
to it to which it was not entitled, and would induce the
Spanish Government to believe that the British Govern-
ment was in favour of the proposition. He wished to know
whether the British Goiernment in treating' the proposi-
tion had-given the Spanish 'Government to understand
that it did not approve of it. • '
Sir R. PEEL, had transmitted, the proposition to the
Spanish Government, merely because he considered it
was the duty of the Government not to withhold
such a proposition from ,the knowledge of the'
Spanish Government ; but he. could under-
take to say . that it was ,impossible for the
Spanish Government, to think that the British Govern-
mppp approved of that proposition, or entertained the
least idea OW it vy04149004ce to the tranquillisation of
Spain.
Lord J. MANNERS understood there was no ambi•
guity in the proposition of Don Carlos,
Sir R. PEEL said there was no direct statement of the
vitittingupss of Don Carlos to waive his personal claims
to the throne of Spain ; but if he was to waive his per-
sonal claims, and insist on those of his eldest son, tlittt he
apprehended would be no waiver of his claim of hereftitary
right to the throne. .
Mr. BORTHWICK thought that all he had heard
rpndeve4 it expedient that he should continue the notice
ef 'potion which he had givere - •
CVSTOM:rHOUSE R,Apps.
In answer to ate Hpn. Member,
r4.:IY) PI44WPNLIJOR of the EXCHEQUER' stated
he Wetland to make a aidnction of the Oideece taken
• - eltiatoin lions@ Ceminiseiog eed to have

by tne
it printed.
Mr. HUME thought the whole of the eViciebte ough
to be printed.
SUGAR DUTIES
The order of the day was. then read.-,
On the motion that the Speaker do leave the chaire-