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London, England, 1821-02-03 00:00:00

kOREIGN -Tit ADE.

mr.•Roatzt;soN /,....4,„nra'it,-Tpurs4:4l, next the motion
of an Hein. Friend of I►is, fur the appointment of dCommittee
on Foreign Trade.
AMERICAN FLOUR.

Mr. CURTEIS said, he observed in the Gazette an adver-
tisement, the object of which was to procure a supply of
American Flour fur the military stationed in the British \Vest
India Islands. lie was alrsirousto finow from the Right lion.
Gentleman opposite„the President of the Board ofTrade,why a
preferences buuld not be given to the produce, of British agri-
culturists, particularly at the present time, when soMuch dis-
tress was felt in that branch of industry. .
Mr. ROBINSON said, the reason why American flour was
preferred to British for the use of the West India Colonies
was this, that American flour was found to kill. better-in the
West India Islands. British flour got a fair trial, and it was
found not to answer so well. It was intedded, however, to
make another experiment. -
CURWEN believed the reason why American flour •
kept better in the West Indies was, that the grain in America.
was laid on a kiln previously tip it. being ground.
`QUEBEC TIMBER.

Sir W. CURTIS presented the tollowntg Petition, praying
that no alteration might he made in the Duties Oil Foreign
Timber ! •

To the Honourable the Commons of the United Kingdom of
Great Britain and Ireland, in Pat liamt,nt assembled.

,
,The Hnn►bte retition of the L►ndholders, Merchants, f'ro-
prietors of Saw Mitts; and Others interested in the Trade

of the Canadas, residing at Quebec,
Hu>llSr.v SIiEWETII —That in the year 1791 the Trade Mid
Commerce of these Provinces with the Mother Country were
so inconsiderable as. to ciorhq only 84 Slops, containing'
14,790 Tons, and navigated by 894 Seamen. That at that
period few Lumber Esiablishinents existed in these; Provinces;
subsequently, Great Britain, alarmed at the interruption of
her Timber Trade with't he Baltic, determined to establish a
permanent one with her COlonies, vittt of the reach of any
contingencies that might arise from her Foreign relation:.—
That, for this
.purpose, she laid Duties on Foreign Timber.
Dealsond Staves, professedly, as writ in their nature perma-
nent,.as none other could induce the investment of the very
large capital essential to. the formation of such Establish-
ments as are necessary to carry on the !.umbel Trade in all
its branches.

That, relying. on the pernymency of such a policy, and the
implied faith of t he. Government, so-understood to be pledged,
Lumber Establishments were formed, Saw Mills, on a great
scale, were erected, insMouch that the Means of cutting
Deal in the Canadas ,are increased from the production of
Ten Thousand to One Million Two Hondred Thousand, the
quantity which it-is. now supposed may be produced annually,
exclusive of the foreign supply from Lake Champlain.
That, as respects the quality of the Timber from these Pro-
vinces..l he consumption of the different kinds aif Pine in the
Navy Yards, and Spruce Deals generally, afford a sufficient
proof that the prejudices which at fire existed are doing fast
away. That in consequence of the exertions of your peti-
tioners and others, in conformity to the views of his Majesty's
Government, the Tonnage employed in 1819 at the Port of
Quebec amounted to 650 Ships, containing 155,8,12 Tons,
navigated by 6,965 Seamen.- That the Exports amounted to
100,874 pieces of Timber, 1,381,393 pieces .Deals,.. and
3,585,523 nieces Staees, g.c. &c.
'that your Petitioners have heard with most serious alarm,
that his Majesty's Ministers have declared their intention of
doing away the Duties laid on Foreign Timber and Deals, for
.'the purpose of protecting the Timber Tirade of t heir „Colonies.
Your Petitioners humbly trust that your Honourable House
will pause, ere it consents to a Measure, the result of which
will be to involve in ruin the Provinces of Upper and Lower
Canada. That their humble holses and wishes have ever led
them to be permitted to live in close connection with, and
dependence on the Mother Country. That they trusted th-at
their rapidly increasing population, and
.consequent propor-
lionahle demand • for the manufactures •of Great Britain,
might.haVe rendered them worthy of a continuance of her
fostering care.
That with the loss of our Export Trade, we may naturally.
look•to our being deprived of the uheans of purchasing the
manufactured articles of Great Britain. .That by the de-
cline of our Import Trade, a defalcation will necessarily take
place in the Revenue of these Provinces, which will mate-
rially diminish the means ,of defraying the expense of the•
Colonial Government, and promotin4 the in'ernal improve-
ment of tire Grontry.
That shortly such a measure as that now in contemplation.
take place, the numerous Emigrants, who now crowd our
streets, depending chiefly on the labour provided by trade
'fee their support, would beet-rine tar intrileeable hurt hers, arid
involve us and them in one corrimon'distreis'.

That yqur rctitioncis therefore most humbly pray, that no

Lord CASTLEREA.6H on• the Table a Copy of the
Cireuhr Dispatch to his Majesty's Missions at Foreign Courts.
—Ordered to be printer',
Mr..CROKER obtain( d leave Iwbrirg in a Bit! to amend
the Longitude Act• • •
Sir IL. WILSON presentee a Petition from the Coopers: of
London and Southwark, praying the insertion of ht r Majes-
iy's Haute in the Liturgy, her restoration to all her right s.and
pt ivilegcs, an istgary into the Milan Commission,and the dis-
missal of his Majesty's Ministers. .The Petition was signed
by 1,300 persotis.,—Orttered to be printed.
Mr. LANIBTON presented a similar Petition from the -in-
habitants of Barnard Castle, County 'of Durham. The lits•
nonrable Member observed, that the- Petition had affixed to
it the signatures of 169 out of eoo b,,tiselmlders; thOse
persons who had our signed it, were, for the most part,
risen who derived their support trout Governafent.—Ordercit
to be printed.
Lord SEFTON presented a similar Petition from Liver-
pool. Ills Lordship obsert ed, that the Petition wassipsed
by 3,000 persons, each of Hi o u affixed.-to his name his pro-,
Cession and abode. He, fo u his own linowledge, could as
sure the House of the respect-ability- and character of a large,
proportion of the Petitionerst They first prayed that no fur-
ther proceedings 'knight be instituted against INC Queen-. and
that her Majesty choulil be restored to all lief rights and pri-
vileges as Queen Consort. Secondly, they prayed that steps
might be taken tci punish the authors of the conspiracy against
-tier Majesty. • Thirdly,, a diminution of Takes; and foUri 11, a
Reform of Parliamens. •

CREEVEY said,. I hat being requested by corns' of his
friends in Liverpool to support the Petition, lie would tres-
pass for a few moments on the House. lie was ready to give
his support to every part of the Petition, The fit st thing the
Petitioners played tor was, that her nejesty's name might he
restored to the Liturgy. Upon a former oecasion, before the
inquiry had been genie into, Its supported upon grounds of
justice and policy, the propriety of restoring her Majest)'s
name. If it was important then, it was much m ‘re import-
ant now, when the exclusion amounted in fact to punish-
ment, for a crime of which she bad been aoqJitted. Every
ntin was interested in opposing the species of law laid down
by the Noble Lord opposite (Castlereagh), who maint:iined,,
that as the Bill of Paini :,ind 'Penalties had undergone a third
reading, and bad then been only withdrawn, her Majesty was
in fact morally convicted, tbaCthis could not be considered
au acquittal. This was a strange kind ut taw, which
.it" was
the interest and duty of every man in the country to opyitse.
If a third reading were sutlicirut to prove guilt, why should
not a second, or'even a (list reading, have, the same effect ?
(Hear, hear!)—lt would he much better not In carry it to a
third reading, fur then all the filth, the trouble, and expense
Of the evidence wont i have been spared. This new law of 11,
Noble Lord's seas the Old story of "Acquitted Felons," a phi use
of which be believed Mr. Windham was tli,author. The con-
duct pursued towards I heOitei it was worse. 4Acqult tett feloos"
supposed.o trial : but lies Majesty's ti:OZklW•ts rt-o,cr.d ft,„ttt the
Liturgy without trial or inquiry; and though acquitted, they
still heard, night after night, the roost gross and foul asper-
sions thrown upon her in that Iluitsr. This would tie.o„fAii-
and unjust, even towaidsa female of the lowest etas, in
soviets', who had been once acqeitted. This country knew of
no such law as that of the Noble Lord (Castlereagh.) The
lase here was, guilty or not guilt y—fllear)—by the finding of
tt jute. Her Majesty was attacked fur refusing to accept any
provision till her name was restored to the Liturgy. How
was it possible that she could agri to accept it sunder sock
circumstances.? She acted in t,Ws as became a person deter-
ruined to support her honour and character. , He trusted that
in this generous Nation there would be ,fOund spirit enough
to ptuteet the unfortunate and Illustrious Lady, if she should
persist in her refusal, from suffering the pain and degrada.-
tion of indigeoce.---(11-Par !)-:ll Ministers should continue
in their resolution of not restoring her name, he felt- couli-
dent that the country, which had hitherto supported her Ma-
jesty, would proti,et her against the distresses of pecuniary
embarrassment. —Some itowiry into the outrages at Manches-
ter was the second object of the .petitioners. Though it was
long since that disgraceful event twits. place, it was (pit('
on the part of the townsmen of Lire, pOol to wish
that it should be inquired into. That man must have a mind
singularly constructed indeed, who,wheol a defenceless crowd
of men, women, and children had been brokeit-in upon,
trampled down, nail butchered by the Military, when those
Magistrates by whose direction it was done had received the
grateful thanks of he Crown, opon their own ex park !date-,
meat of the teletS j huts Mind trust be SinZlihrly constructed
Wll.O thought that such an outrage could be forgotten. Even
now, though late, every inquiry should he +smile into that me-
morable and shocking event. The third. prayer of the peti-
tioners was, that the taxes might be reduced. It gave hint
much pleasure that the people -of Liverpool were Ilia- first to
petition on this subject. He hoped soon to see similar peti-
titions pinned in front all parts of the country It seas quite
a inoclicry to lintel oat expectations of relief from any other
source until such time as many of the existing lazes were
taken off. This might- he Mole if the House perfoi toed its
duty zealously, by inquiry 'into all the sources of expendi-
ture, and introducing economy into every branch of it. Ity
taking a view of circumstances in the year 1792, when corn
was at the same price as now, by comparing the amount of
taxes then with that of the present day, it %%amid appear
tuterly impossible that they could be borne. He hoped, there-
foie, that Petitions would be presented boot all parts of the
country, praying for is diminution of their present borthens,
many of which might be removed. The List prayer of the
Petition ivas, that some It eforill might tie introduced in the
present system of Repe..sentation in that House.• He felt
vermin, not withstand:us: what the most ctoliburn Anti Re-
former ruight•think, that thy present system never received
such a shock as it did by the-vote of Friday last, which he con-
tended svgs completely in oppouition to the sense of tie peo-
ple, and even to the opinion; of many who voted'against the
;notion. :Eliere was a peculiar circumstance in. the .c.ase of
the Petitioners that justified them in their application GO
come Reform. There were 100-000 Inhabitants in Liverpool
and tinly
,25 or 260 U. voters. The representation was by no
means a popular one. The right of freedom could tie ac-
quired only by ;ipprenticeship, so that any-person coming to
reside there, however great bis wealth or tespectability might
be, had no franchise. Beside s,.t he hifloence of the. Corpora-
thin, who load the contront and direct ion of tio,0001:or 70,0001.
a year, was all powerful over the freemen.' 'they could coin-.
mane!, ant of the whule•nitniber.7 nr 801, votes. It was need-
less to mention-how great the influence of the Crown must he
in a town where there Wert see many profitable places to be
disposed of. If the representation was more popular, the iii,
tluence of the Crown and Corporation would nut of course be
so dangerous as at present.

Mr. GLAI)STONE begged leave to.mate a few observa-
tions in consegnence of ,what had fallen from the lion. Gen-
tleman' who had 9pulse last. Thefremaen of Liverpool were
!Mine I'M IS than the Hon Gentleman represented.—
They exceeded 5000, and nu such influence as that alluded to
existed in the Corporation. Their influence was pi etty mucli
the same as that of other Gentlemen in the town of wealth
and respectability. The Corporation, he believed, diseharged,
their ditties most conscientiously. 411 -the business tinder
their direction was done by contract, which must have the
effect of lessening their influence at elections, if they should
be disposer ho employ it. He was not personally agguainted
with many of those whose names were signed to the petition,
though he bad'resided a considerable time in the town. lie
was not inclined to disPitte the character and respectability
of sotne.; butthen, lie must.say, that he had opportunities of
knowing the sentitrients entertained by -many. Gentlemen and
Nierehants of:Liverpool of great wealth and character who did
not approve of this peti..ion, but approved of the treasures of

Mr. JOHN Smurn said, he held in his hand a
Petition, to which he begged the attention of the
!louse. It was that of the Merchants, Bankers, and
Traders of- the City of •London, signed by 5,000
it:dividuals. He did not by thus =calling:their
attention particularly to the Petition, mean to
say that the persons of the description of these
by whom it was signed, had a better claim to the
notice of the HouseJlran men who lived in po-
verty and obscurity. Perhaps the latter; from
their distressed situation, had •a better clahn to
attention. But as property insured education,
and education some degree of talent and know-
ledge, lie had a right to say, that there never -Was
presented to that House a Petition from .a more
superior class of men.. Their first and principal
prayer was that such measures might be adopted
as were calculated to allay the present agitation
of the public mind. No prayer could under ex-
isting circumstances, be more just and proper than
this.—(Hear!)—He represented,what Was strictly
true,
:that they entertained the' strongest senti,
ments.olloyalty, and the.most anxious, desire to
preserve unimpaired the Institutions of, the Conn-
try. He would beg leave -to state the circum- •
stanCes under which the Petition was got up.
Previously to the Meeting at which this Petition
was agreed to, a number of highly respecta-
ble individuals thought fit to send forth a Decla-
ration. of Loyalty to the Crown. They met at a
tavern,
.without having given any previous notice,
except what was communicated to their own
friends. From the manner in which this Decla-
ration was got up, it would seem as if it was the
intention to impose the sentiments of those who
signed it as the, sentiments of others' who did trot.
But with this he did not mean to charge the
highly respectable individuals whose names ap-
peared to the Declaration. From 'the mode of
proceeding it would appear to be what it was not,
an expression of the opinions of the Merchants of
London. It only expressed the sentiments
of the individuals, and if its 'character of indi-
viduality had been- maintainedf he should not
now have occasion to trouble the House.
In consequence of this proceeding; a Meeting
was called. at the Mansion..HOuse, of the Mer-
chants, Bankers,and Traders of the City of Lon-
don. The Meeting was most numerous; perhaps a
larger collection of well-dressed men never as-
sembled together. All \i'ent on quietly till he
came to the 3d resolution, which mentioned her
Majesty's name, and then a greater clamotir was
raised than he had ever heard • ,before- upon any
similar occasion. lie was compelled to say that
he had some reason for supposing this to be al-
together a concerted trick—(hear, hear!)---Land
that some of the gentlemen who had'preViously
assembled atthe, tavern for the purpcse of agree-
ing to a loyal declaration, had determined to
prevent all, discussion. -Many of those Gentle
men he knew, entertained an opinion, that pub-
lic meetings prevented all discussion ; and they,
perhaps, intended on this occasion to give a
Tactical proof of the truth of that opinion. He
did not mean to apply the observation to all
those Gentlemen•who signed. the declaration. In-
deed very few of them were present. The tt..
Hnult having commenced when her Majesty's
name was mentioned, showed that it was done
by concert. A sentiment generally prevailed in
the city of London, that the proceedings against
the Queen were impolitic, and the clamour:rais-
ed, •made it probable that the Gentlemen from
whom it proceeded, were determined to put an
end to any debate on the subject. He heard it
said, that the business of the' meeting was: not
fairly:conducted. For his. part he was aware of
nothing that was not in the highest degree proper.
The worthy Magistrate who presided did every
thing in his power :to preserve order. He heard,
indeed, of a prOtest;and'that the majority was on
the other side. The protest, he believed, was
supported. by only one signature, which could
have of course no .great . weight. The worthy
Baronet opposite (sir W. Curtis), who, upon this,
as upon all occasions, whatever his opinions might
be, :and however" he might differ from others,
spewed good humour, that worthy Baronet ad-
mitted, he believed. that the question was fairly
carried. Ile hoped they would hear no more of
clandestine meetings,and if .public meetings were

held, that .they would be conducted with proa
priety and good order.'
Sit W. CURTI!, rose. He agreed the
Hon; Member who had last spoken, that a 'great
_deal of-patty Spirit had been manifested at the
Meeting in-the tgyptian Hall, bet he could not
agree With 'the conchision drawn by the Hot:
•Mernber, that the inanifeStation 6f such a tpirit
was a prelude to -4ontething worse. He would
admit that the: requisition to the -Lord Mayer for
the convening of that meeting had been signed by
`Men of honour, respectability, and property; but
.he-would never admit that it was signed b men
possessing more influence, More talent; or greater
property and respectability; than those whose
names had been affixed to the declaration agreed to
at the City of London Tavern. For -hiS own part,
he should be always loyal ; he would support
the. Constitutien, and in these times he thotrght-it
ligistahat the public should know who Were 'the
men ready to stand forward in support Of that
Constitution. The meeting hi the Egyptian Hall
was-really the largest he had 'ever witnessed in
the Metropolis, and the Honourable Member
who had just sat down, Made a speech which
Was as distinctly heard as any 'speech eaeil'dea
livered-at a ptiblie meeting, until the Hon. Mem-
ber came to- a sentence which alhidett to the
Queen, and-then soma symptoms of disapprama
tion were manifested. When the , name of the
Queen was mentioned at any peblic"meeting Some
disapprobation was shewn, And he believed that
ahe majority of the.' nation, as well in that
Rouse as out of it, disapproved of her, condtict.
The-Hon. Member (Mr. Smith) could not coon=
plain of-the little murmur Whichaprevailed-at the
concluSion of his speed], which was heard asWell
as the Hon. Member could expect. After the
Secretary had come forward and seconded, the
Resolutions which were carried, he (SirWiifiarn
Curtis) did then ta,ke the liberty of coming
ward-to offer a few observations to the nOtice'of
as well dressed and as good looking men as he had
ever seen assembled in that Hall ; bet there a•as
a set of men determined not to hear him or one
of his friends. This proved the irupoSSibilitY of
drawing a true conclusion, or forming a sound
opinion of the sentiments of a populous city from
Resolutions agreed. to at meetings such a'S this.
—This was the very reason which induced.tha
bankers, merchants and trailers, who sigeed: the
declaration, not to convene such a 'meeting:
Those Gentlemen were, from the habits ofbusi-
ness, inclined to conduct themselves With a regu-
larity which never characterized such ptiblic
meetings. He had seen many men, who, in con-
sequence of the confusion prevalent at such meets
r,•
ings, had declare& that they- would -hot, if tite
state were going to ruin, ever interfere in such
meetings. He remembered a meeting at GrOcer's
Hall, at which there was such. confuskm 'as lie
never before witnessed. There was 'in faCra
personal battle royal., This was in the 'year
1794, and he had never since attended Such meet+
ings, except where they were all on one side, Mid
where there was no difference of opinion. Ain;),rig
the names of the requisitionists who blamed. tl:te
declaration signed at the London Tavern, he saw*
the name of a Mr. Astell ; and if he arerenot •
greatly' mistaken, this Gentleman bad in the year
1819,signed a similar declaration, which was alSo
signed by George Grenfell and Son, and /et the
name of G. Grenfell was =M; the requisition-
ists. It was very extraardinary that one. set .:0f
met should take upon them to dictate to anotht.
There was no,petition to the House of Con mops
proposed. while he was on the hustings. He hail
heard .no other resolutions than those he hadhe-
fore alluded to put or -Carried. He retired, an d
he believed that what was called Carrying a pe-
tition-was this, the Lord Mayor held tip in. his.
hand amid ail the clamour, a paper, which aras.
carried by a majority. He had thought it neeeia
sary to put a few words, and he hoped the Hone
would believe there was nothing incorrect in thy
.conduct of him' or his friends, who wished for-ttlY•s
thing but what was right.
,Mr. Asaata, after-the personal allusion' whiOS
'had been just made to him by the lion. Barenet;
begged to defend himself from the charge of ina.
consistency. When a year and a- half ago he had.:
assisted at a private meetingOf the Merchants and-
Bankers of -London, the -Country was then 'a;
different state. If new :lights had since An(
time broken in upon him, why was he not 'te'ats:..
tend a public meeting ? The object of that pri-
vate meeting was to consider the 'expediency 'of
the Bills 'which had been brought into Para."-
' litiment, and which he had- nnequitocally
held. The. very circumstance of the passing
of those Bills rendered private rneetings
necessary : because at present no improaAa,
persons could break in upon a public meet....
•ing of the -Merchants and Bankers .of the
City 'of 'London. It was • his decided cipinical;
that' there would have-been e' no tumult -in th
Egyptian Hall, but for the Hone Baronet's friend's'.
The Declaration of the Merchants who met at
the City of London Tavern, was-put forth as the
Declaration of the Merchants of the City of Lona
-don, which it was not ; nor had the persons Who
signed that Petition, any claim to eXchtsive Iby-
atty. That those who. signed the Petition, we're; '
as loyal and as well disposed preserve the pub
lic•peaCe, and to maintain-the Constitution, wonid
be evident to' any one who.looked at :their genies,
and Who saw their property and their rank in
life. It 'was, however, their duty to • tell- the
House •of Commons what •their -opinion was.
Lord MILTON was -sure that 'the House;
heard, :with the greatest regret from the Eat.
Barenet, -that henceforth it would lie in vainAV,
expect to• ascertain the iientitrienta of the Mer:a
chants -and BAtkets•of the City of -London, from
ony public nieet.rog at Which they were ats:sein.a.

'bled. This was the more painful, as the senti-
ments of such a body were in themseives highly
important ; and as it was always of importance
that the House of Commons should have an op-
portunity of knowing the sentiments of their con-
stituents. The Honourable Baronet had said,
that he had signed the Declaration, although he
thought it did not go far enough, because he
thought, to use the Honourable Baronet's own
phraseology, "-his Majesty .ought, to be cheered
up," When, however, _ the Honourable Baronet
coupled with that sentiment an approbation. of
the
.measures of Ministers, he expressed two
opinions completely distinct from each other ;
because, if there was any one proposition snore
evident than.another, it was that-- the measures
Ivhich had been adopted by. his. Majesty's Ali-
uisters' were, very far from being beneficial to the
Crown.

Mr. lITELLs explained. his .reasons for signing
the Declaration, and eulogized its character. He
denied
.that there was the slightest ground for
asserting that it-had been-got up in a clandestine
manner. He.clescri-bed the ;r-at difficulty which
had_ experienced in obtainxn►g a place at the
1-I.gyptian-hall, and contended that the PeLition
dia.not express the- feelings of the majority of
theMeychants and Bankers of the City of Lon-
don.. •

Mr. Alderman Woon could assure the House
that the presence of the Honourable Baronet had
been the only cause of the tumult in question.
Half an hour before the business began, the Ho.
pourable Baronet took a foremost seat on the
Hustings, and shewed himself off in great style,
bowing to all his friends, and telling them he
was very glad to see them. In all City Meet-
ings there was a little noise ; but the lionoerable
Baronet did not allow that the Petition had been
carried by a majority of thrtee to one. (Sir W.
Curtis—" The Resolutions.")—Well, the Reso-
lutions. The Honourable Baronet had first said
the Petition. The Petition was read by the
Lord Mayor hirnself,and,in putting the question,
did all in his power to be heard in so large an
assembly, by holding up the Petition and. calling
out, " This is the Petition." What could he
do more ? He (Alderman Wood) would ven-
ture to assert, that the majority in favour of the
Petition was five .to one. The lion. Member
who had just sat down had talked of the great
difficulty of getting on the hustings. Ire would ask
that Hon. Gentleman whether or not he was one
of a body of two or three hundred persons who
came to the hail with a view to take possession
of the hustings ? in the excellent dispositions of
the Lord Mayor to accommodate both sides of
the question, he allowed a party of those who
bad signed the Declaration to be admitted into a
parlour, into which were also admitted the requi-
sitionists of the public- meeting ; and from
which parlour there was easy access to the hust-
ings. He appealed to the House and to the
auntry whether there could, be a fairer proceed-
ing. As to the tumult, it arose immediately after
the speech of the seconder of ti* Hon. Baronet's
motion, Mr. Bosanquet, who, had been patiently
heard throughout. • -
Mr. BARING, after the very able statement of
his Honourable Friend who had presented the
Petition, would not detain the house at any great
length. The fact certainly was, that a more un-
worthy combination to prevent hearing any thing
but what coincided with their own sentiments was
never witnessed than that which some respecta-
ble persons allowed themselves to form on the
occasion alluded to. The only reason to account
for it, in his opinion, was, that those persons were
endeavouring to prove to the country that public
meetings were a farce. Not only had others been
interrupted by those persons, but even the lion.
Baronet himself. There was no doubt, in the
City of London, but that circulars had been
issued and a regular plan formed to deter the
merchants and bankers from ever assembling
again. He altogether disagreed with the Hon.
Baronet in his general character of such Meet-
ings. All which he (Mr. Baring) had attended
before this last, were conducted with the greatest
regard to order ; and but for the combination
and conspiracy of ,which he had already spoken,
he was persuaded that the last- meeting would
have passed off as quietly as any of its predeces-
sors. it was deeply to be regretted that such an
issue should have been prevented by persons who
'undoubtedly were of highly respectable charac-
ter. The Hon. Baronet had asked -why the
Loyal Declaration (as it was termed) had a-
wakened any jealousy.? in the first place, it was
said to be the Declaration of the Merchants and
Bankers of the City of London. At least, so it
bad been originally described in the placard,
although within these few days that description
had been corrected. The Honourable Baronet
had asked why the Merchants and Beakers of
the City of London should feel any hesitation in
signiog a mere Declaration of Loyalty? It would
. be impertinent in hint (Mr. Baring) to say one word
in defence of the loyalty of the Merchants and
Bankers of the City of London. But the question
was, whether the occasion was a fit one for sending
forth such a Declaration—(liear !)—The De-
claration, besides its loyalty, also stated that se-
dition, and blasphemy abounded in the country,
with a view of making an impression that the
agitation which the measures of his Majesty's
Ministers had caused was occasioned .by sedition
and blasphemy. The petitioners thought other-
wise ; and they thought it their duty to state in
their opinion what was the real cause of the pre-
sent state of the country—namely, the proceed-
ings which had been instituted against her Ma-
jesty. They preferred doing this, in the form of
a petition to the House of Commons, to framing
any counter-address to the Throne ; because they
felt the propriety of avoiding, except on the oc-
currence of a great necessity, any step that might
be considered personally offensive to his Majesty.
The Loyal Declaration had evidently been got up
to serve as a kind of counterbalance to the nume-
rous petitions which were pouring in from every
part of the country. Like others of a similar
character, it had originated in the Treasury ; and
was milk and water, because no one would ven-
ture to administer any thing stronger. There
was no foundation whatever for the assertion
which it contained, of the prevalence of sedition
and blasphemy. If any part of the Empire could

more than another 'effectually contradict the as-
sertion, that the great mass of the people were
disaffected to the existing institutions, it was the
City of London ; far no one could have witnessed
the meetings at Spafields and elsewhere without
feeling how contemptible, both in character and
in numbers, were the persons who were called
Radicals. He could not agree, therefore, that
there was any want of loyalty in the country.
But the loyalty of Englishmen was a rational
feeling, and was never in greater jeopardy than
when Ministers dragged his Majesty and the
Royal Family through the mud, as they had
lately done ; and then pretended to hold them
up as objects of admiration.—(Hear, hear,, hear !)
—lt was no small matter that Ministers had
brought his Majesty into such a condition, and
that the Hon. Baronet should think he wanted a
little " cheering up"—(Hear, hear, hear!).—lie
perfectly believed that the lion. Baronet was,
correct in supposing that such was the case,when he
saw that his Majesty could hardly change post
horses in any town in England, where the con-
duct of his Ministers had not created a feeling
which rendered it difficult for him to pass through
with decency.—(Hear, hear I)—As to the ques-
tion of loyalty, the feelings manifested by all
classes of the people" 041 the death of his late Ma-
jesty, and ott the death of the Princess Charlotte,
proved it to be the basest calumny to say that the
present feelings of the Country were produced
by any other cause than by the manner in which
his Majesty and the Royal Family had, been
dragged through the dirt by the Noble Lord and
his eolleagues.—(lear, hear, hear !)
Mr. WILSON could not exactly agree either
with the Hon. Baronet or with the Hon. Mem-
ber for Taunton. He denied the declaration of
the former, that the lion. Mover of the Resolu-
tions was distinctly heard. He denied the asser-
tion of the latter, that the tumult was the result
of any combination or conspiracy. .He did not
believe one word of such a charge, and was con-
vinced that it was utterly unfounded. The De-
claration had not been put forth as 'the Declara-
tion of the Merchants and Bankers of the City of
London, but only as cc the undersigned' Mer-
chants, &c. He admitted, that in the earlier
placards that distinction had by mistake not
been made ; but the error was unintentional, and
was corrected as soon as it was discovered.. He
wondered that those.Honourable Gentlemen who
had charged The individuals signing the Declara-
tion with being influenced by any but the most
open and honourable motives, had not, on read-
ing their names, felt a kindness and respect
which would have induced them to treat those
individuals in a spirit of greater charity, and to
believe that they were as Unlikely as themselves
to do any such thing. The hustings were capable
of containing 250 persons. Notwithstanding an
application made the day before, only 20 of the
Gentlemen who had signed the Declaration were
permitted to go on the hustings. This he did
not consider very liberal, especially when the
crowded state of the body of, the Hall, which ren-
dered it a matter of great inconvenience to stand.
there, was considered..
Mr. G. P{LJLLiPS declared that he had never
witnessed more disorderly and- disgraceful con-,
duct than on the occasion in question.. The ex-
clusive loyalists and lovers of order were shout-
ing, hissing, and adopting every other means of
creating' a tumult. He heard the conversation of
some of those who were near hint, and it ran on
the impossibility of deliberation at a public meet-
ing, on the probability that that would be the
last public meeting of the kind in the metropolis,
and on similar topics. There was every appear-
ance of a combination to create disorder. The
Honourable Baronet's appearance was a signal
for disorder ; and he was not heard himself, in
consequence of the noise which his friends made.
As soon as his Honourable Friend (Mr. Baring)
began to make some remarks on the figurative
language of Mr. Llosanquet, and to recal the
Meeting to the real state of the question, when
the noise of the lovers of order was so great that
it was impossible for him. He was surprised to
hear the Honourable Baronet express a doubt
whether the Resolutions were carried, for he was
much mistaken if he (Mr. P.) did not hear the
Honourable Baronet, when some of the lovers of
order on the hustings expressed a doubt as to
the result, express himself satisfied that they
were clearly carried. He (Mr. P.) was quite
satisfied from what he observed, that they were
carried, as far as he -could judge, by 3 to 2.
Sir W. CURTIS said the Hon. Member was
mistaken in supposing that he gave an opinion
on the hustings that the Resolutions were car-
ried.
Ile was doubtful as to the majority.—The
Petition was brought up and laid upon the',
table.

Mr. JOHN SMITH, in 'moving that the Petition
be printed, said, an Hon. Member had very er-
roneously supposed that he did not do justice to
the Gentlemen who signed the Declaration. He
had acknowledged that they were men of high
respectability, and some of high independence;
and he might name an intimate friend and near
relative of his, Mr. Manning.—(Hear !)—His
endeavour was to avoid throwing imputations,
but to take care that he and others were not to
be governed by them.—(Hear !)—He used the
word clandestine in opposition to open and no-
ticed meetings. If a notice had been give►►, he
should have attended, and though he should
have concurred in what was done, he should have
proposed an Amendment.

The Petition was laid upon the table.—ln
moving that it be printed,
Mr. J. SMITH said, that, convinced as he was,
the only way to restore peace and tranquillity
to the country was by again inserting her Ma
jesty's name in the Liturgy, he should have felt
it his duty, charged as he was with this Petition,
to give notice of motion that the name of the
Queen be restored to the Liturgy. Ile was
happy,- however, that another Gentleman had
done it; that motion would have his cordial
support.

Sir R. ITEnoN said, he had given a notice of
a motion on the subject of the Liturgy, from his
sense of its importance and necessity, and without
a knowledge of the intention of the Honourable
Member (Mr. J. Smith.) But it was impossible
that strch a motion should not come with greater

weight from the IT9nonrablo Member who was
charged with the Petition of the Merchants of
London, as it was certain it would be supported
with greater talent. He, should therefore sur-,
render his motion *lto- the, hands of the Hon.
Gentleman. The lion. ,BarOnet then withdrew
his notice.

,Air. J. SMITH said, that in that_ case
luctantly gave notice for Tuesdas%, the 13th, of
a motion to restore her Majesty's name to the
'Liturgy. - •