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destitution whom this endowment would partially relieve. He
would receive it, because he knew the difficulty and the labour,
and the expense of receiving a proper degree of instruction
in the seminaries of Ireland. He was also willing to receive it
for a political reason. The House was well aware that it was
not fur the mere paltry consideration of 30,000!, that they ac-
cepted it, but the grant to them had a peculiar interest, for no
matter what party held the reins of Government, they hailed
this as a concession that England had at last met Ireland in
something like a kindred spirit, by recognising the claims of
her Catholic clergy to protection. It was in this spirit thatihe
accepted the grant. 'they accepted it not as a great boon to
the mere Catholic party, but as a greater measure of justice.—
( Cheers. ) It was in that spirit Ireland received the grant, and
he prayed Hon. Members in that House who might be dis-
posed to oppose the second reading of the measure, to con-
sider well the consequences of dashing the cup
from their lips. He would ask them if they were
prepared to eradicate the friendly feeling at present existing in
the minds of the Irish towards England? An Hon. Member
had quoted words which had been attributed to Mr. O'Con-
nell, and said to be delivered by him in Conciliation Hall.
He was reported to have stated—" Conciliation Hall, I thank
you—Agitation, I am obliged to vou—Maynocoh ought to
I pray for you." He would parody those words. If a Minister
like the Right Hon. Baronet at length were to think the time
had arrived that conciliation should be used towards Ireland—
if lie introduced a measure like this, and if that measure
were rejected, no matter under what fo-m their opposition
might have arisen, whether it assumed the form of evangelical
or voluntary—he would say, in that case, that Mr. O'Connell
should get uo, and instead of saying, " Repeal—Agitation, 1
thank you," he would say, " British House of Commons, Re.
peal ought to pray for you," for he (Mr. Sergeant Murphy) was
sure that nothing could give a greater impetus to
rel eal than the rejection of this grant to the
College of Maynooth. lie would rather, for his part, that the
sum given to iiraynooth should be given to the support of all
creeds alike. But was the sum which would he saved out of the
taxes of the country by the judicious distribution of this grant
not worthy of their consideration ? Would the House let the
opinion expressed by a clergyman of the English Church go
forth to the people of Ireland as the sentiments of the English
nation ? Those opinions would be supposed to be correct if
the House rejected this measure. He found the clergyman
he referred to using the following phrases : —He said that ho
would draw upon the historical annals of the country to show
the evils which had resulted from the connexion of the Go-
vernment with Popery. He referred to the reigns of Eliza-
beth and her successor, and then he came to Charles the First.
He (the clergyman) stated had made a Popish alliance, and
bad brought up up his children in the Popish faith ; and then
he added that the lightning of heaven had blighted the splen-
dour of the English Crown, and that Charles the First had
perished on the scaffold. And then followed the second
Charles. He designated him a weak and sensual monarch,
but riot so deeply criminal as to draw down the
vengeance of heaven on his head. Why ? Because
he was not openly declared for Popery. Before that
time was Oliver Cromwell, a guilty man, ea doubt—a man of
blood, but who had redeemed his guilt by supporting the Pro-
testant cause. Then he came nearer their own times, for he
came to the time of William IV. Within twelve months after
the passing of the Catholic Emancipation Act extraordinary
changes occurred in this country. Soon after the Monarch's
signature had been attached to that Bill he was hurried front
the world. Such was the language of an English clergyman
at a public meeting. He had no hesitation in giving that
clergyman's name—it was Dr. Croly. Now he would
ask what were the deductions to be drawn from these
historical statements ? He meant that if they had
a leaning to Popery they should take example by
those who bad gone before them. He asked them
if they rejected this measure, if they thought it would contri-
bute to the peace and good feeling which it was so essential
Ireland should entertain towards this country 9 Ho entreated
Hon. Members not to reject a measure which would strengthen
the good feeling which ought to exist between the two
countries.

Sir J. HANMER (who was scarcely audible in the gallery)
was understood to say—The different views that were taken by
the majority of Hon. Members in that House, were such as
to render it difficult for one to satisfy his mind as to the point
of view in which that question was to be taken ; according to
his appreciation of the particular merits of the case, he would
vote on the occasion. The question deeply agitated this coun-
try, independently of the spirit that was evinced by the many
petitions which crowded the table of the House ; and whether
the people of England were right or wrong in their opinion,
he felt himself bound to say, that if they had triennial Par-
liaments, or if they had much shorter Parliaments than they
now had, they would have a very larger majority of the popu-
lation against the measure. Reference was made to the time
of Mr. Pitt, when this grant was thought to be expedient.
He would ask them if the present time was at ell compa-
rable with that ? Was the time come to institute a
connexion between the Roman Catholic Church and
the State ?—( Hear, hear.) What influence would be
gained by such a relation—of what good would it be produc-
tive ? He thought that the only influence whieh they could
have over the leaders of the Church of Rome—the lions of ate
fold of Judah, as they called themselves—was to be deiivei
from that civil power, from their justice and equity, and
.not
from an ecclesiastical relationship with them. Why enter
into
a connexion with them if they were not to exercise some ec-
clesiastical jurisdiction over them ? Supposing they associated
this College with the State, that it was found necessary to bring
that relationship closer, and that it was more strongly pressed
upon them, he would ask, as a practical question, how they
were to pay 3,000 priests of the Church of Ireland ? He melt.
tioned that number, for he had been told that there were 3,00(1
Roman Catholic priests in Ireland, who were employed in the
avocations of ministers of their religion. Well, then, he
would ask, if such were the fact, how were those priests main-
tained? Ile ventured to say it would be found very difficult to give an answer; though it would be admitted that they
were never known to be in want. He was one of th,se who
was ready to admit that the Right Hon. Baronet the First
Minister of the Crown had met the position of Ireland in a true
spirit last year, by proposing that most useful measure, the
Charitable Bequests Acts ; but he ( Sir J. Hamner) did now
protest against the Government going any further in making
such concessions, or establishing what might be called col-
lateral ecclesiastical establishments, because he conceived that
the Government should confine itself to ecclesiastical matters
belonging to the State. He was one of those who believed
to the wise and sound policy of Sir R. Peel, and he had no
doubt but that his measure of last session, to which he
(Sir J. Hamner) had alluded, would have a good effect for a
long series of years. The Hon. Baronet concluded by saying
he disagreed in the policy of the present measure, and shoeld
therefore oppose it.
Mr. ROSS next rose to address the House, but the noise
and confusion created by a crowd of Members leaving the
House at the moment, prevented the possibility.ofrlikkeing
heard with anything' like distinetpess.in'the gallery. He was
understood to say that twoaeetiesthat he had heard had made a deep impression op.ihiniihd, for he had heard them with keen attention. One of them was from the Right lion. Gen-. tleman the Secretary for Ireland.—( Hear, hear.)
Before lie alluded to them further, he would uy
that :he looked upon this measure in the light of se redeMption of a pledge that had long been made to Ireland,
'and as a part of a great system that would: eventually open up
:the vast industrial and commercial resources of that country.
As to the speech of the Hon. Member for Perth, he should
say that he had hoped to hear that Honourable /tlember speak in favour of carrying out that justice which he
appeared to prize so much. But he (Mr Ross) could
not help saying that the whole of the opposition to this measure
was not founded upon either reason or justice. In calling the
attention of the House to the arguments used in the speeches
he had mentioned, he would notice but few of them, and
then he would ask the House in what position were
the Irish Roman Catholic clergy before they
were dependant on the English Government ?—( Hear.)
The religious objections urged in the course of this debate ap.
geared to him to have no weight at all. Seeing that there was
so much difference between the Presbyterians and the members
of the Church of England, and so much difference between the
members of the Church of England and the Roman Catholics.
and looking at the existence of the regium donum to the Pres.
byterians, he could not see why they could refuse this 'grant..
He did not give much weight to the argument derived from,
the amount of money in this case ; for if, by this measure, they
conferred_peace on Ireland, the number of regiments which
they coulebdraw away from it would soon make up for it. He
hoped, tNikt when this measure and others like ill
were passed, 'e differences which so long existed betweendifferent el-asses` of Irishmen would be destroyed, and they
would put tioir shoulders together and struggle that their
country shorßire placed on a perfect equality as ith England,
and, till that equality was attained, he, for one, would not
rest satisfied. He trusted the Right Hon. Baronet would pere
severe in the course he had entered upon, till he had made Ire.
land united and prosperous, and the strength and right arm oil
England.--( Hear, hear. )
Mr. M. GORE and Mr. Hamilton rose together, the
latter for the purpose of moving the adjournment of the
debate, but the House having called for Mr. Gore he proceeded
to say that if he considered the present measure as likely to ire.
pair the principle of the Reformation he would oppose it as
strongly as he should now give it a warm and cordial
support,—( Hear, hear.) He had always voted for the
grant to slaynooth, and in so doing he thought he had voted for
the principle of the grant, and that there was, therefore, we
new principle involved in the present measure.—( Hear,hear.>
He believed that if they had aeted on the principle on which the
Romans acted towards the Gauls, and the Normans towards the
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iftohrny3oestaOrbsyeheaairdns our ancestors had refused to
allow them to participate in such advantages. He hoped thus
was bet the commencement of a more liberal and comprehensive
n d also
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concluded to that parbve
system of legislation towards that unfortunate country. He
gave every credit to her Maje!sty's Government who had
of
beetnhea4upnatseidtinbny
whichth the bsensptpomrtoetdist•ehse,ina;n(i a
saying that he would give the measure his most cordial sup.,
port, and by expressing a hope that it would be brought to
a triumphant conclusion.—( Loud cheers. )
Mr. ALEXANDER HAMILTON moved the.a,djouninnt
of the debate.
The other orders of the day were then disposed of, and tbq
rfouse adjourned.

SUDDEN PEAT 1-1 of the MARQUIS
OwheTnHgP;eaEt
OF DOWNSHIRE,
Stll.--It is onlyT
DpelopTleOfßail that the rest of
mankind will reflect on their own situations ; this has
been exemplified in many instances. We are satisfied
that all sudden deaths proceed from a neglected state of
body, and that such dreadful catastrophes would be of
very ram occurrence if the world generally would reflect on this important point, viz., that all pains or disease*
whatever proceed from some impurity in the blood, %villa*
impurity can only be eradicated by proper vegetable'
purgation. It is useless to look to any other remedy.
livery one, when he feels any pain or sickness, should
immediately become his own doctor, by at once taking
an efficient purgative, without going here and there foil
clifil.‘rent and contradictory medical opinions—this is tbe
great principle which Ilygeists wish to inculcate, dad
they care not for the opposition of interested individnalt
who oppose it. Ilygeists have had ample practical ex-.
perience of the truth of it, and all the learning in the
world cannot make it otherwise. It is the grand seem;
of health and disease—of life and death. If the truth
could be ascertained we have no doubt that the Noble
Marquis of l)ownshire had neglected his body, and hull
not done that which ho ought to have done—he, his
hundreds of other great men, trusted to false science
learning,* opposed to simple nature and truth, and 'oil
therefore fallen a victim.
We are, Sir, your obe;lient servants.
MORRISON AND CO.,
For and on behalf of the body of liygeistsi
British College of Health, New-road,
London, April 16, 1845.
* Accomplishments, such as Greek and Latin, &c., berg
nothing to do with the cause or cuT:',3 of diseases.

MARRIED.-011 Tuesday, April 8, at Wlilton•onei
the-Hill, Liverpool, by the Rev. Wilbraham Bootle Outs% Surto.
gate, incumbent of High Leigh, Cheshire, William Richardiole
Roebuck, EN , merchant, eldest ion of Samuel Roebuck, Esq.,
Sale Bank, Cheshire, to Eliza, third daughter of the late Willials
simpsen, Esq., St. Helcies4quare, York.