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and calculations of , the Honourable member , for
Liskeard (Mr. Charles Buller), but those calculatVw
had been read so rapidly by him that he was unable to f° 1e
him through them even were he willing, which at thata
hour he was not, to trouble the House hi replying to thee:
But since he had submitted his own calculations to the
mlnspectors.llou
on a toer occasion, he had s•ent to the Factory
who had submitted them to six of the most experienced reat,t
tet
manufacturers in Lancashire. That calculation showed teia
the necessary reduction of wages, consequent on this rtletsub,
e
being carried, would he between 23 and 25 per cent. ;and
could assure the House that the master manufacturers; he k
laded to had made calculations from their own 1411,0
and they all concurred that his calculation o
t
thoroughly a correct one. Now if the House 910
be of opinion that one of the two things which he q,.
'
Graham) feared would happen—either that this dreadful (II
notion of wages would occur, or that our machinery slut
a,",sk
capital would fly to other lands, and cause a consequent
diminution in the labour of our own ; if the House should think
either or both of these evils would result, surely it Inustslle
before consenting to a measure like this.—( Hear, hear.) es
was hound to state he felt himself awl his Hon. Colleagno ,
behind him most painfully situated in being opposed by a gre4
body of gentlemen with whom he had voted with very.g",-,
satisfaction, and from whom the Government had receivelloo
constant arid cordial support. But he (Sir J. Graham) waived
deeply impressed with the magnitude of the interests in'', be
in the principle thee under discussion, that he felt—en",iebi
said it most sincerely, and with pain—that he could n•3)01
sine point on the present occasion.—( Loud cheers.) •A;,l duty
dust in the balance to him compared with the sense of
which controlled him.—( Loud cheers.) He was quite og t
fled our manufacturing and commercial prosperity was;
stake, and on this prosperity the House might depend that
peace, happiness, and future prosperity of this country wcg
indissolubly connected. ( Loud cheers.) To nnti!l ht
could he ( Sir James Graham) consent which ottliti
threaten seriously to interfere with our coroeleiletbe
and manufacturing greatness. And it was, he conceie"'„es
duty of those who felt as he did, who entertained the ,sine
opinions, the same views and the same fears that he did' to
resist the attempt which was now made to confirm the
of the other night. He put it to the House to rescind ID
vote, believing as he did, that it was a most dangerous 05e.
—(Cheers.) He did feel called upon to entreat the 11°
carefully to reconsider the decision they had corns to lob
former occasion. If it was re-affirmed he should view it es.
the deepest regret: if it was reversed with the highest laiird
faction; for by such a vote only could he now look fat°
to the maintenance of the greatest interests of this country. dett
Mr. COLLETT (amidst tremendous uproar) was gi,nsss)
stood to say that he should vote for the Noble Lord (A"'"'
and against the proposition of the Government.
Mr. I3F.CKE TT said that it had been stated that he qy-
not justified in stating what he did on a for Mer °cone%
Did the Right Hon. Gentleman who had made that statettlii
recdllect what he did state? If he did, he was sure he wain
not have made the statement. He hoped he should stin",,d
in the opinion of the Committee as incapable of oat
areJ
statements that he did not believe. He had S'-bug
that he was for an Eleven Hours' Bill ;as
he was decidedly opposed to a twelve hours' one, and as`,
il
the opinion of his constituents. Now, there was a rn°9l°roo
that had been presented to the Government, and what w"itst
statement in that memorial? Why, they wished the P,rettiei
Bill to be withdrawn, rather than have the ten hours, and, Dill
maid that they would get as much out of an Eleven Hen"
as Sirh;een one.
sl.
J. GRA HAM wished to read part of the meln°nliisS•
was signed by Mr. Marshall, and most of the princiPsoogsa
spinners in Leeds, and a considerable portion of the:: larbf
manufacturers. Now what was stated in that memorial • oust
that the hours of working for women and young people wee too
oppressive or injurious to health—that the reduction °f the
o,e
by fifty-eight hours per week, which would bit the effect °,4,1 be
Noble Lord the Member for Dorsetshire's proposition, w° en,
followed by a serious reduction in the earnings of the. w,c'con'
and would inflict upon the memorialists the most soroV't,td,
sequences. The Honourable Member for Leeds had yours
that the manufacturers were desirous of an Eleven
Bill. Now what slid the memorialists themselves state • bola
that they were desirous that no legislative enactments °,l tbef
be made that would infringe upon the present system. VII the
trusted that the Government would withdraw the Bll'
ten hours' clause was insisted on. - of
signed sir
Mr. ALDAM said that the memorial was signet. ,1,8 be'
seven of the largest flax-spinners in Leeds; in fact, title
lieved that none of the manufacturers of that srs
had refused to sign it. It was signed else "JA,t
great number of the woollen manufacturers of thatthe
and he believed that only ten manufacturers .n
place had refused to append their. names l, ass
On the whole, the opinion of the manufacturers in Lee ,
against a Ten Hours', and in favour of an Eleven Ilonliesto
—(Cheers.) In point of fact, the adoption of an The
Hours' Bill would not make any material differenec as%
present hours of labour were eleven and a half in the
manufacture, and eleven in the woollen manufacture'fiesite
manufacturers of Leeds were anxious for an Eleven
Bill, as a final settlement of the question, ope °i
• 11
Mr. MITCHELL had on Tuesday conversed with met'
the largest flax manufacturers in the kingdom on the 9-o ihs',,
of
The Leeds manufacturers were merely flax spinners' rds
gentleman was a flax manufacturer, he employed urso, Itt
4,000 people as bleachers, dressers, weavers, and spirit's' redoes
answer to his question as to what would be the effect 011 bad
tion of the hours of labour to ten hours, that gentlenotn, 00
stated that one-sixth of the men of his establishnienoijlis
were employed in dressing, weaving, and bleaching, w
thrown out of employment. Leeds
Lord HOWICK reminded the Hon. Member Or toelfs
that they were about to divide on the question vrhethfrif the,
should be the number of hours of labour or not, and .pl
vote i against the motion, if twelve should be rejected' it 14011
be still competent to either of them to propose that the "
should be filled up with eleven. the quit.
Sir J. GRAHAM reminded the Committee, that „
tion was, whether they should adopt ten hours or not? its
Mr. HINDLEY wished to ask the Chairman what t
question upon which they were really going to divide' endrot
Mr. GREENE (the Chairman) said that the am °° t
before the House, and upon which he should firtt,avtot„
question was, that the black should be filled up with ',tent.;
•- ten." If that should be rejected, it would be oni, P,:o
any Member to move that the blank should be filled °P test
the word " eleven." If that were negatived, then the
question would be that it should be filled up w""
t welv
MUe."
Mr. NTZ wished to draw the attention of the,he fie!
mittee to a very paradoxical statement made by s nsia
Member for Clitheree. He had stated that nomasters_ruch 0
little as the English masters, and no men received 0,17,00";
the English workmen. Now he knew something.of t"t, cs!eit
facturers on the Continent, and he believed that, In mat,l'sh
the foreign manufacturers paid much less than thee, 0,04
manufacturers, and that the English workmen received there
less than many of the foreign workmen. He beliel,e of ti;i,
was not any one acquainted with the manufacturer!„
Continent who could not contradict the statement of
Member for Cliteroe. GO°
iltr°
Strangers were h
then ordered to withdraw, and the
divided, when there apoeared-
-183
For the twelve hour clause lB6
Against it —
Majority against the Government... ever.
A second division then took place before strangel,„
mitted, on the ten hours' clause, when there apPeare
181
For the clause
Against it
Majority against the clause
On our return to the gallery we found _- se•lse j 0
Sir JAMES GRAHAM addressing the 1-lon ef
the House had decided that there should neither beifeeisieor
Hours' nor a Ten Hours' Bill. He respected theterettr
the House, and he had a great regard for the great inhi, Jog bts
cerned; and he thought he would best discharge tie shoutto
postponing till Monday any further proceeding. Clasit
therefore, that all would agree with him that the
eOl
should report progress and ask leave to sit again. so
of
Lord ASHLEY, amidst much confusion, said the ll° Of
be more ready than lam to bow to the decision to rot.
I ventured at the outset to make a very solemn Orin thou
feelings, and I will not presume to impugn, evse,",-,...-(Petsr
the justice or humanity of this august asseriantr, ortiel
Although defeated now, I think I am not guiltY,T ;telly I
tion in saying that I have a right, and that I wi „riaoiP
myself that right, of endeavouring to assert theoic'stialls'of
have this evening advocated, on every legitimatf toe ,
will persevere to the very latest period of my esis.o frol;
have not the slightest doubt that, in a very short ,riergseittl.
period, by God's blessing, I shall have a complete t
The CHAIR3IAN then reported progress, Oa the
odthe
resumed. A of est,
The other Orders of the Day were then diapme-dsy ,
House adjourned, at a Quarter before Two, to 1400 ~

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BRITISH AND FOREIGN INSTITUTE .--;' 0.-
ingham delivered the concluding lecture °' h°°ol9',flti°
Palestine, on Thursday, at the Hanover-square e 0 att-
numerous audience, who testified by their ulll-I° t
the interest felt in the subject. vregf .akrl
CURIOUS CIRCUMSTANCE.—There is au
the possession of Katherine Robertson, residin_gaSed Jioiof°
a ring or virl of copper, which she found nab!,
.of the
piece of coal, the inside of which was quite f!"' this
mineral.—Stirling Journal. tb°
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MR. BUNN'S BENEFIT,-..011 ThlITS',4 118 „1 ,12186
enterprising manager takes his benefit, and
assistance of the principal performers engageci„ (la!,
Theatre—among the rest the great lion of,tlii„„daft
prez. The first piece announced is The „b",i 105 et" t,"t,
which Messrs. Borrani, Hudson, Harrison, :"course,.ooo
forth will perform the chief parts. In tll
evening will be introduced a miscellaneous mosc';istk.
ing of—" Reminiscences of Ireland," by 117n10.6-;
popular ballad, by Miss Romer • the EaPby 31.)faclalti
Balfe, of " While I gaze on those dear eYesi d Wl' ot
Concerto on three pianofortes, to be perforT; 8000000,
Dnlcken Mr. Benedict, and Mr. Moche de by
Scena, by' Mrs. Alfred Shaw ; " La Roluailbeee,l.llsgigto,ooili'ort,
Ginevra," composed by M. Halevy, writ
Duprez.
The evening's performances will ter this °v.
new divertissement, composed expressly for oteh
by M. Albert. es o*
era, ‘O,.
BRISTOL. BANKRUPTCY COURT.---.°eS noVi roilirgeWo
considered to be wound up for years Frt.; aernetirelYticeo fr°lo
of investigation, and creditors who ha" ; n°, ,(1.4. led
their claims, have been surprised on rece.`t.o i3.3.1en
the official assignees of their being entitled
spon "o'lol
the case of Walter Jacks (against the conir_fo forth''
upwards of forty years since), a divide) Toot F,
the 6th instant, on debts proved to thn 8 nicot 4'o(
70,0001. We learn that a dividend of ate otateAgOthy
pound will in a short time be declared on t 0,,. _rocec"tile •
Wood, a banker, at Cardiff, in which the lasstioyee , .
fore the Commissioners took place s° 1(411;
1827.—Bristol Journal. -
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On the 17th inst., at Esher, Surrey, tl-0 of 0
Esq., of a daughter. • the 1.11
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On the 19th inst., at Montagn
Ogilvy, Esq., barrister-at-law, of a (law win
On the 19th inst., at Bath, the ladY °
Okeden, Esq., of a daughter.
On the 19th inst., at Yarmouth, the wife
elfre:tiro.r,
Squire, merchant, of a son.
On the 20th inst., at Belgrave Iloasee 110
Wight, the lady of Dr. Martin, of A daugli_tjsl,ol:,
On the 20th lust., at York-terrace, Rego"
Mrs. Campbell Scarlett, of a daughter.

MARRIED. ter 10444eyeiii
On the 20th inst., Mr. Benjamin Louts Diet
to Miss. Levyson, only daughter of Dir. Dion
of Queen-square, Bloomsbury.

DIED. •
On the Ist of January, at Camp Duna'la, , 3,1444e4)aff1ie
Russell Crommelin, C. 8., Ist Regiment of Na,o,,
On the 2d of November last, at Hobart
men's Land. William Morgan Orr, Esq. ihe 11
On the 2d inst., at Margate, Jnlinna
Dr. Case, M.D.
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(h.! the 10th inst.; at Leicester House, St,.
Richard Chase Sidney, Esq.

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