The Sun.
London, England, 1821-03-13 00:00:00

ADM IRA LTY couKts IN SCOTLAND

The LORD ADVOCATE brought in a Bill to regulate the
Cowls of Admiralty in Scotland ; and
On the question being put on it; being read a first time,
Lord A. HAMILTON recommended a distant day fur the
second reading, and also that in the mean time, the blanks
be filled no, and sent. to F.cotland. .

The Bill was then read a first time, and the second reading
fixed for this day fortnight.
Mr. Alderman BBIDGES presented a petiti-n front the
Inhabitants of Bridge 11'ard. praying to be heard by Counsel
against the Thames Wharf Bill, which was laid on the table.
lI.CHEtiTER GAM„

Mr. Alderman WOO!) having moved for certain parish ac•
counts of a person named Hill; in order to ascertain how great
Ilk deficiency was, 'took that opportunity of replying to the
insinuations thrown out against him on Friday night by •the
Hon. Member for Taunton (Mr. A. Bariug)—namely, that lie
'bad taken the g•ioler'S report in speaking of the state of ll-
cheater Gaol. The Worthy Alderinan explained the cause of
his gaol', to yiiit the Caul, which was that the City of Lon-
don baying 001 an iutention of building several Gaol•t, he,
with Mr. Alderman Gootracre, Sir John Perring, .and an
eminent Architect, .Mr. Dance, were sent as a deputation to
inspect several gaols, and, amongst others, they vi'ited the
gaols of Gloucester and Ilchester. It was said that whilst
thCy were at dinner, they had received the Report, but be had
only. this morning found the identical bill of what it cost the
patty fur a lunch at Ilcbester; and the House would, per-
haps, wonder • that for a party in which there were five per-
sons, anl three of these London Aldermen, together with
two servants, the wholeexpence was twenty-five.shillings.—
A laugh.)—He wished the Hon. 'Member had been himself
present. in order Mat tte might convince him by sbowinz him
the hill of the expences. The Worthy Alderman .concluded
by reading a letter from Sir John Peri ing, in corroboration of
what lie had been stating, and confirming his assertion that
they remained . t tvotiours inspect log 1 Icliester Gaol.

Mr. F. BUXTON wait sorry the CVort:ty Alderman had not
waited until be Hon. Member for Tannt on was in his place,
who might then be enabled to reply to him. Fur his (Mr.
Li's) part, not withstanding the assertion of the Worthy Alder-
man, lie could hardly believe that three Aldermen, Oth their
weras, would lunch for twenty-five shillings at Ilchester.
—(Laughing.) _
Mr. Alderman WOOD—" I have the hill in my hand."

The SPEAKER interrnpted the Worthy Alderman, and in-
forited him that this discussion was irregular, as he did nut
mearito follow it up by any motion, and as it had no reference
to the inotion he had just nestle.
The question was then put on his motion, and agreed
IMPOR TATION OF FRENCH BOOTS AND SHOES,
Nlr. BuTTERWORTH presented a Petition from the Cord-
wainers of Dover, complaining of the increasing Importation
of French Boots and Shoes, whereby t he Petitioners and their
families were reduced to the utmost distress; and that not
only large quantities were brought in by the vessels to that
Port, but that persons were employed in Dover, to take mea-
sures of families for shoes, and the orders were sent to France
to be executed. Mr. B. stated th,tt he had reason to believe
that. ibis evil was now become so alarming, as to call loudly
fur the interference of Government to prevent it, as it must
he obvium that leather and other articles might be procured
at a cheaper rate upon the Continent titan in this Country,
and of course,. if such' importation were allowed, it roust
greatly increase the distress of Our own Manufacturers. lie
instanced some other t rides that were in similar circumstances.

Mr. B. WILBRAHAM eutifii wed the statements wade by
his Hon. Colleague.

ROMAN CATHOLIC CLAIMS

Mr. HUSKISSON presented a Petition from the Clergy of
the Archdeaconry of Chichester against any further concession
to Roman Catholics. Knowing the respectahility of many of
the Petitioners, and feeling a respect for them all, he was
sorry that he could not agree in the prayer of 'the Petitioners.
Petitioners did not, howeyer, impugn the loyalty of the Ro-
man Catholics, but only stated that they feared any further
concessions would endanger our best establishments-in Church
and State. He (Mr. H.) was convinced such fears were very
visionary, and it was from such conviction that he had uni-
formly given the Roman Catholics his support.—The Petition
was then laid on the 'Table, and ordered to he printed.
• Mr. BUTTERWORTH. presented a Petition against the
Roman Catholic Claims from the Rector, Churchwardens,
and undersigned 'inhabitants of the parish of St. Dunstan in
the West, in the City of London. lie read part of the Peti-
tion, which was as hilloWs

"That Resolutions have been prepared by the Committee
of your Honourable House, and Pre now depending therein,
which tend to invalidate the necessity of making the Decla-
ration' against Transubstantiation required by the- Statute
-25th Charles Second, and the above-mentioned Declaration
against Transubstantiation and Popery required byt he Sta-
tute 30th Charles Second; notwithstanding the provisions of
such Acts, and of the said Acts of Union, imposing such De-
c:aratiuns as a qualification for beating any office or grant, or
holding any office or place of trust under his Majesty, or for
sitting or voting in either House of Parliament; and by
which Resolutions the Oath of Supremacy is also propos, d
to be materially altered by the qualification of the . word
" spiritual," an alteration which can only have the effect of
secaliening its force, and eieding its operation.
"That as
,the two Honses of Parliament, as well as the
Privy Council and the great Offices of State, are inseparably.
connected with, and indu.nce the whole administration of the
Government, any meature which shall hare for its object the
introduction of Roman Catholics into the great Councils of
the•nation (as your Petitioners humbly apprehend will be the
effect of any 11111 (minded upon these Resolutions) will be
manifestiv contrary to the spirit of the Bill of Rights, and
subversive of the great leading principle upon which the. G-
overnment of this realm was settled at the Revolution: and
yt;ur Petitioners contemplate such an event with great alarm,
as theyconeeive it will leave the securities against the admission
of Roman Catholics into Parliament, and places of great po-
litical trust and po:ver, wholly unavailing; and that such a
measure will be inevitably succeeded by the deplorahle con-
sequences against which a solemn National Compact. and the
Most valuable Acts of our Legislature, were intended to pro-
tect for ever the Monarchy and Subjects of this realm.

" That as your Petitioners dread the effect of bringing
into power; in ri country whose Constitution Government
are essentially Protestant, those•who profess and act under
the influence of a religion which has been justly characterized
as affording " no toleration, or • peace, or security, to any.
other communion," they deprecate the abrogation.of those.
laws, or the relaxation of those securities which were thonht

,
necessary by our kriCestOrt Who well thew by painful ex-
perience the operation of that religion which the Roman
Catholics themselves acknowledge to be always the sante, and
which appears to your Petitioners to be at p- event in active
and vigorous operation in this kingditm' more especially
since the revival; pby the present Po) of • the Order Je-
suits, and the Estahlishment of an .xtetisive and well-en.,
dowed College of that Order in the centre of this Protestant
Empire.
" That although the Declarations against
ainst Transubstantia-
tion:m Popery contain only arenunciation of certain °pillions
entertained by Roman Catholics. yet )our Petitioners consider
that stick opinionk premot, merely speculative and dogmatical,
as asserted in such Resolutions, but that they form the only
sufficient test by which Roman ...athoilics are to be ascertained,
and without which no Oaths are sufficient to exclude Roman
Catholics from Parliament; and from situations of political
power•, especially since it is a notorious fact that the Sovereign
Pontiff, so lately as the-year 1809, by a solemn instruction to
the Prelates of his Church, commanded them to distinguith
between the passive oaths which may be taken, and the active
oaths which may not be taken by the Roman Catholiesaif any
heretical state, and declared that Al oaths. taken to the
prejudice of the Chorch are null and void.
" Your Petitioners therefore most humbly pray that the
said Resolutions may not form the basis!of any Legislative
measure to be adopted ley your Honourable Home.
" And your Petitioners shall ever pray, &c."
Mr. BUrrER WORTH stated, his entire 'concurrence with
the prayet of the Petition, and said,ttuat having been unable
Irma indisposition, to attend the late debates upon this sobject,
and-as it might not he in his power to be preSMit'When it would
he discussed on Friday next, he hoped "for the indulgence or
the }louse, while lie briefly mentioned some of his reasons for
concurring with the present Petition. With all possible re-
spect for the motives ,of those Hon. Gentlemen whii supported
the Resolutions, he conceived them to be•grou titled on mistaken'
principles. It was not because Roman Catholics held the doc-
trines of Transubstantiation, the adoration of the Virgin Mary
and the sacrifice of the Mass, &c. that our ancestors exchnled
them from high offices and seats in Parliament ; but on account
of their intolerant spirit in civil id
and religious affairs, ar
their dangerous acknowledgment of a foreign supreme ju. is-
diction ores this country. The oaths •anti delineations, as
the Petition" well observed, were a mere test to ascertain
wins were Roman Catholics. Although this was not a sub-
ject of clamour out of doors, yet it would be much more
deeply and lastingly felt by. the people of England than
• the temporary evanescent" politics of the day. He con-
ceived that if the Bills now before the House should
pass into law, they would transfer discontent from Ire-
land to the Protestant population of this country. as well
as afford great dissatisfaction to the Protestants there.—
The number of Prtitions on the present occasion might
not be greh:, ;IS so. ;army bad been Aalready presented;
and it should not lie forgotten that a Worthy Baronet (Sir
William Curtis). Whose indisposition he (Mr. B ) greatly la-
meotrd, bad within a very few years presented a petition from
the City of London, to which sixty thousand signat tit es with
their respective addresses, were attached. Ile entertained no
fear of the stability of the Protestant Religion, if it were
separated from the State, because he believed it tube founded
upon the principles of eternal truth.; lint as the Protest•
ant Church and the State were in this country united,
he should deeply lament •if what God by his Proridcoce
had joined together, should by the adoption of the
measures now helm e Parliament, be put asunder. • But
if Itomari Catholics' were to change their intolerant prin-
ciples, and renounce the supremacy of the Pope, he, kr
one, should hare no objection to their possessing political
power, notwithstanding the peculiardoct rifles of their Church.
The spirit of that Church seas, however, evident, front various
documents issued by the present Pope. He should only in-
stance one, viz. the instructions addressed by this Pontiff to his
Nuncio at Vienna, in the year•lBos, iu which he maintains the
pretended right which the Romish Chinch has ever assumed of
deposing heretical Princes., and he deplores the misfortunes of
boSe t hues, which, as he says, prevent the spouse ofJesns Christ
(t he Church) from putting those holy, maxims into practice,
and constrain her to suspend the course of her just severities
against the enemies of the faith. 'flue Petition which had been
read alluded to the Jesuit s' College established in Lancashire,
and that Order had been revived by the present Pope, al-
though it had been found so dangerous to the peace and
well-being of society, that it had been put down in our
own times -by .the common consent of all the Courts
Europe. If Honourable Members had any desire to knots.
the principles and conduct of the Jesuits. they might consult
a I-Lstory of that Order, which he believed to be correct, pub-
fished' in London so recently its t'l6. Upon the spiritual juris-
diction of the Pope he should not now enteros the dangers which
might arise ft our the interference of a foreign supremacy
in this country, mast be obvious to the House ; lint there
was one subject upon which be must sity.a few words, that of
Tithes. He conceived that Roman Catholics, if they'pos-
sessed political power, never could consent to pay tithes in
support au Protestant Ministry, which they considered as
belonging to an heretical church. As tithes were before the
Reformation in the bawls Of the Roman Cat holies lhemselveS,
and had been looked upon by them as the patiimmiy of St
Peter, they could not, m their opinion, be alienated by any
temporal authority, nor become the property of a Protestant
Church. He, therefore, thotight that a general cot/mu-
tation fur tithes should at least precede any concession of the
Roman Catholic claims; but as a sincere friend to civil ani
religious liberty, be must confess himself opposed to the ad
mission of Roman Catholics to political power.
111 r. WARRE made some observations on the style and
temper of the Petition, and on the spirit manifested by the
Hon Member who spoke last.
Mr. BUTTERWORTH, in reply, defended the style of the
Petition, and stated, that as lie should move that it he printed,
it would of course be submitted to the criticism of the House.
Übe had spoken with any warmth, it was me reiy because lie felt
the sot jest deeply and conscientiously, and not from any un
charitable or-unchristian feeling towards his Roman Catholic
brethren.—The Petition was ordered to lie on the Table.

Mr. GRENFELL presented a Petition from a parish the
name of which we could not learn, against the Thames ‘iharf
Bill.—Ordered to lie on the Table.

MESSAGE FROM THE LORDS.

A Message from the Lords requested. that James Drum-
mond. Esq. might he permitted to attend their Lordships'
Committee on Foreign Trade as a witness. The Lords Mes-
sengers were informed that the House had complied with
their Lordship? request.
FOREIGN TIMBER.

Mr. J. P. GItANT -moved for returns of all fir and ball;
timber imported into Scotland from Norway, from the year
1799 to 520.—Ordered.
BREAKFAST POWDER.

..... _ _
Sir R. WILSON begged to ask the Right Hon. Gentleman,
the Chancellor of the Exchequer, whether it was the inten-
tion of the Crown to proceed in the prosecutions of certain
persons who had manufactured and sold roasted wheat as a
substitute for coffee ? He asked this question On behalf of
the industrious classes, to whom this article world afford a
cheap and nutritious beverage ; it was also interesting to Gen-
tlemen connected with the Agricultural Interests, as he
understood it would cause, in that way, annually, the con-
sumption of nine million bushels of corn.—(Hear, hear !)--
He likewise hoped that the Chancellor of the Exchequer
would allow him to entertain the • opinion• that Go-
vernment .did not mean to press the penalties of the con-
victions obtained against Mr.ll lint, in the Exchequer, for the
manufacture and sale of this Breakfast Ptiwder. He (Sir R.
Wilson) did on a former occasion, ask the Right' Honourable
Gentleman whether he intended to move for the repeal of
the <1 tst Geo, 111., which, according ,to the recent legal cunr
slim:lion, prevented the sale of the article, and, at the same
time, he stated its advantage to the poor,--an argument which
ought to have great weight:, at all times, with a wise and hu-
nmoe Government, but ought to hare tenfold force at a time
of such genet al and aggravated distress. On that occasion,
the Right Him. Gentleman informed him that he had not
examined the lass' upon the subject--but he understood him
also to say,that he haul no intention for the future to prevent
the sale of the Powder, if not used as an imitation of coffee,
but sold as a bona fide article for public consumption.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, that he
was sorry if any thing had fallen from him which had misled
the Gallant General. He Wag not aware that any thing had
dropped from him to warrant his statement with respect to the
repeal of the 41st Geo. 111.
'Sir R. WILSON explained, and said that he had not made
any important use of the Right Hon. Gentleman's communi-
cation, nor did he mention his name, hut asserted generally
an account of what he understood him to have said, that it
was not the intention of Government to proceed any further
with those procrcntinns•
BOROUGH OF GRAMPOUND,

Dr. LUSHINGTON presented a Petition (non certain In-
habitant Ilonseholders of London, Southwark, and Westmin-
ster, praying that the Elective Franchise, about to be trans.
ferred from Grampound to Let ds, might have a more exten-
sive limitation than that contemplated by the present Bill,
shich required•iu every voter a qualification of house and
land rented to the amount of at least 201. a year. The Hon.
Member expressed himself in favour of the prayer of the Peti-
tion, which was ordered to be printed.