The Sun.
London, England, 1817-03-28 00:00:00

ABOLITION OF SINB4;IIIIE,;,

Itlr. DAVIES ett.lmat appeared at.the.bar, anti
stated, that he held in his hand the,fittst,Report of
the Committee of Finance—q Hear, hear !)
The lion. Meßberbeing desired' to bring:it IT,
he delivered it to the Clerk_ as the table.,...ketene.
rill cries of read, ,reed,!) .
As.soon es 'Order WMs restored 'the ;Clerk liegan.
'to reed as f0110w5.:4.4 be Committee of Finance,
'having -proceeded take into consideration the
severarrnatters referred. to them, have lost no time,
it! presenting This, their first Report to the Bowie.
The office which your CoMmittee. thought them-
selves first. bound to undertake was, to consider
what retrenchments could be matte consistently
with the , public service, and with Q view Ih real
and practical economy; 2dly, your , Cononittec
deemed it indispensable, -that ample .recompence,
should be • afforded to,pergorts• Fteklin,,,, high anti.
effective offices : and, 3dly, that such, otti. is 05.
might •be considered in the nature of Sinecures
ought to be abolishe4 on- the death of Abe' persons, ,
who now enjoy them.
.This subject was by .
means new to. the House. It. had been often
brought before them, partienlarlyin when
it was Made. the grount[of a I3ill, which was sent
to the House of Lords, and some of the provisions
of that Bill are referred to in this :report. Your
Committee, therefore.; recommend, that the fol.
•lOwing Offices, 'which -are-of the last description,
,shoold be abolished, viz. Chief Justiges.of
'North, and Sonth of Trent.f.Aft4itor of •the
'eliesluer ; Clerk of the. Pelts ; four Tellers of the
Exchequer; the WardeftiPtbecCinque Ports, the
Governor of the. sle '3/411)1WIPCV0 and the
_Com-.
'inissary•Generi&of.MusteL9g.-tHear !)
The Clerk was about to proceed, when Mr:
Ganewr said, .it .teas unneceessary to go farther.
.Eturnigli had been read to satisfy ,the House.of the
spirit •of the Report,- and of the, feelings by whi,ch
'the Committee had been .actuated, ,

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Lord COCURAN.E. rose,. and saitte.that the abo.,
lition of theseoflicecatithe death of the persons
now holding them would not tend, iu the. ;alai.
lest degree, to relieve the unparalleled.:distresick
under which the country now laboured, ,in grilse
togive effectual relief; it was abialAtely necessary
that something should be done anmeillately.
NO ftirtber, observations, being tnade, the goes-
Lion wax put, Abet the Report be printed,- whish
wawagreed .to. 1 ..,.: ;':. . • :..
.- Mr: Nziatatax.movetti.fer,- snil obtained leave
to, bring, in a• Bill to enable Ecclesiastical Persons
antf.iothere to-grant lefties ,of tithes,. so as to bind
their successor% . '-' -, • , '.." -• . r
General, Tnotiwrow,. referring to two petitions
which, he presented against the Savings' Banks
:ai11,.: onlqemibe'igth of March, the other ein the
24th, . moved. that they;shottld.be 'printed,
; ,The (petition being .put'frons the Chair, it Wail
nemt dyed, without is,divisione ... - .
Vire'Land Revenue Bin was. read:
.a third time
an, ,
ti passed --. ~. ~ - •,.
Mr. Fitestmene_ wished to know, what stun had
been already expended in making .the improve..
tnents prisiidedlorby.:this .Bilf i.,, .. .i. ~ • , t
', • Mr:..frivsntsuoir.replied; that something cx*
lceeding,-500j000/.. had been ex.pended, mid that
-the furibetivw of 300,000/. granted }Ay tti.l3 Lilt

would enable she Committee to complete all the
pleilases.
fir JonN NEwtoaT thought that the money
should first be apptiedsret the compensation of:-
losses incurred hy- the rietk, ielteratiott, and statetl,
that some very hartleaSesehatllnectirred.
Hosittssom that the Commission-
ers did their u: most' in compensate any loss.
Lord,Coc►tßA:ta observed. that the parties in-
Ord deserved the fullest compensation, especially
where they bad resided-,many' years on the lame
spot. • " •. • ,
After a feW wards from-144 lAtrrett, the.
*l.
* 314,w
Bill
wase'l-etiiha4ll4Vd!titfte latsied.
The Irish Aries' fiegistsy and the' Irish
Peace Prescreatiow Bill, were read a. third 'time
aed passed.-
The 'Bill to empower Ecclesiastital awl at her
persons. -.to grant Leaks of itlo s
.was read 'a
first tilne,. and' ordered to he read a second on the
24th 'of,April:
MrAartien.inr said-, that .the Bill, as far as it
wenr, .woultifurther the iuterests both of the. peo-
ple anti"of the clerey4:oo.ll-11eso the measure *a3
agreeable tivewtollossentiV liChltiSa NM) Vet' of,titites,
altogether. . ..,14;11/1
SEDITIMIS ASSpIInIES'
The . Soi.tOrroa-peNenAt. ninyail, that the
Order of the Day fot taking into consideration the
Lords' Amendments to tbe„Seditious Assemblies'
Bill should be read.
Lola FoexsTotie.supposing it to he the int en-
On) of the Learned Gentleman move. that the
Amendments of the 'Lords should now be taken
into conSidetation, thotight it right to, state his
nblections to this being done, after which. he
thought the Hoose Would feel it was impossible
for tbein to proceed to the consideration of them
that night. The Chancellor of the. Exchequer
had yeetertley promised that the Atitendments of
the Lords shOuld be foroished early this day l'a'the
Members, that they might have tune to consider
the alterations made iu.;il>ag lill. lie had accord-
ingly received a paper in ga;ui time that morning,
and luid endeavoured to snake himself Master of
tbe subject, but withooteccess. He found in
the Lords the Bill had' received two tiew clauses,
and 55 amenthitenti, and 'the paper'supplied but
14 'references to them ; and of these 'l4 only one
was correct. In several instances he had found
the- amendment within a line or two of that indi-
cated, but bi some he had not been tilde to disco-
ver it at all, ileder:these circumstances the
_House
Could not with any skew of decency proceed to'
take the Amendments into ConsidetatiMi that
night. • , ,
The SOLICITOR-GZNEIVIL remarked, drat the
amendMents Were .for the most part merely verbal',
and might, he thought; have been found out with
little pains entl.A'riraye. -
Lord Foett'esToNt had taken pains and
.trouble
to discover them, but had'not succeeded; Some
of the etneudmetits, front The reference made to
them, it was impossible' to disc Over, and conse-
quently it WO not easy to determine whether they
were important or not. The only way. by which'
the House -could really be made introduced with
the Bill was by reptinting it.
The Sveo,r.'n stated the amendments had. been
brought early in the Morning. They fiver`
not corrected then,.and lm at tiered the piper to be
reprinted, which he wasluformed had beets done.
Lord POLIO/00E itt.tieldrertaitily received
ancither paper which might he correct, and it an
opportunity were afforded hint,'he might read be-
fore the passing of the Bill; but of which he had
not been able to make himself master at present.
Mr. Bent/Guam, when !list night lie asked for
one (lay's' time 'that they -might understand the
111,pol-rant Amendments tnade,by the Lords, with
which that House was expected to concur, bad
grounded the request.oti this argument, that if the
Aritendments were•iitie hinted and delivered in
good time, it vaas botdit WIND say they were sub-
slatted to their ionitidertitioh, though it might he
said their eyes saW)them nit the table, and their
ears beard theta when. the question was put. The
answer of the Chancellor of the Exchequer had
been this the objection urged was easily ob-
. viatud, for lie would take mic that the-Amend-
, ments should be printed and delivered early
in the morning. In consequence of this pledge,
the- Chancellor of the Exchequer had hurried
the printing of them, and at length deliver-
ed them in such a state, that instead of in!
forming, they were calculated to mislead the
Iklembere -who perused theta, and at last, at six
o'clock, collect copies had been circulated, though
doubtless many Gentlemen as yet bad only seen
those which had been :first delivered. For this he
blamed not the Officers-- of. the House, -but the
Chancellor of the Exchequer and his colleagues,
who had refuSect to 4iv,o proper time for the con-
sideration of the tneatureOliough the time called
for entild not have been to them of any eonse.
sequence: He would put' it to the House, it' they
ought thus to proceed to legislate in the dark ?
It bad been Said the amendments were merely
verhal. This, however, be must say, was not tbe
character of 'eome of them. One of them, for
instance, went to leave out line seven, aria to in-
sert the worthy ow pain of deati,,,e con_
tended this might prove to be an important al-
teration, 'and others which be pointed *tit might
be signally so.. 'He Warned Ministers for the coure
they,lkad,rashly adopted, and pertinaciously per-
sevrard in. Ile was-incapable at present of taking
these am'endivenAsinto consideration; others were
in the.same situation; end under lime 'circum-
stances he would agialefrttt.- it to 'lite House,- if
they did not oweiVitteritel ordinary decorum of
their proceedinglisltritatieteriy- this yeastire with
such cirealmstanceooilhiodeeent hurry.
rl'be COANCEL;LOJCattIeVACIIII,4UHR reminded
the lino: and Learned Gentleman, that it'-Was not
for one they he had Asked, on the iireeetlingliight.;
bir.tlie had desired that the ihht might not bept).
eeeded; with 'till after the'easier Ileeetts,J
however, would not be provoked by'' any thing'
that-hill beau stt to'redontmenci a CoursewhiCh
would be unbecomingthe dignity of (hat iltintie•
Re”dinitted tliey hail not had proper, tilPe ifo-
- of the anirr-41ment3: Even the cfrettniVattett
of -two papers having been delivered its the ‘eoncSe
of 'the day, lik*those had been mentioned,
was sufficient. 16. hidate -hint; 'llk ;to. press the
ametulmenes ;On: the Kew.' .Thoit!..oo
that aide of the House were eta desirous that the
me sure should.be -fully consithled-es the Gentle.

men opposite could be. It was wish- that it
4ilotild be matte as complete as possible, and he
would therefore propose taking the atnendtnettiia.
into. consideration to-mutt-o%v.
Mr. Potoonny *as Itho the Hight tionotiraid:e
Gentleman lt.itki_coliaetiti4l`.to postpone the eonsi.:
deration of the amentlinefits till torinorrow. • He.
hoped he would take efficient measures for correct.:!:l
lug the paper Which bardliecn sent roisrid that day.'
lie for one, had not been able to nuderstand that
hati.reativedi and• duo a .shoia....t.tial-had
given it up.
CALvenT bad a paper, which he had te-
"nilicit.but ball 'an hour. ago at .the Vote Office,

he found. was incorrect. • •
Mr. PoXserwihr iisked what steps the Chancellor
of. the Exchequer would take to give them correct.
copies in time
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, the
task of. providing correct copies would be left in
better hands than his.
PoNsCiNBY bore testimony to the correct,
ness aud care of. the Officers..of the House, but,
observed,. the Chancellor of the Exebetpier had
yeaterday taken the business' upon-itimself.
Mr. tiATHURST Hoticed.the inaccuracies which
had been complained of,• and did not consider.
them so imvottatit as some Gentlemen had seemed
to suppose them to be, thOitgh there was certainly
one clause whicti it. was diffictilt to understmnl.
•
Lord Comte %NE protegted strongly against the
clause prohibiting public meetings in WestmiU-
6trr, but in Covent-garden, which they all knew
Was aprivate market.
, Lard 13tNtOr:o spoke to order. The question
now before the House was, that the consideration
of the amendments should be postponed
0611 to-

morrow ?
The SPEAKER Sala, the Noble Lord might apply
what be had advaneed to the question, but at the
same time Rs object must be seen.
Lord COCHRANE thought it right to seite any
opportunity of protesting against the clause in
question. lie considered it an insult to the people
of Westminster to forbid them td meet in the
place where their ancestors bad been aeettitomed
to assemble, and an outrage on the hation at-
large. it was saying that the people Of West.
tninster Must be distinguished from their fellow.
subjects, its for .them gagging KIIIs, ganiqi and
penalties Which kept others in are, were not suf-
ficient. To act, thus, he would not say was Whitt
the Hose dared not dr;', for they tiatett do any
thing. Nu one bad ever heard of any impediment
being thrown in the .way of Members coming-to
that Honse by the Meetings in Palace-yard, nor
hod the proceedings there ever interrupted the
Courts of Justice, tor the shoots or the clamotirs
(as it was called) of the nitiltitude coat pot be
beard in them. On every occasion he would cu.,:
ter his-protest against the clause.
The Amendments were ordered to be taken
into consideration to-morrow.
IRISH LANDLORD AND TENANTS' .$11,t,.

Sir Jona NEwrota stateil, that this ItieAst)re,
which bad been adopted lust Session, had, for the
.1
most part; beet' found beneficial but as ;di
new measnres must, occasioned wine ititcuove-
tiience. lie should wait a little longer ;• but it
those inconveniences were nut cibviated,' he should
at a filtiire period, beg leave 10 introduce,sotne
antelidnients on, the
Mr. LE,1,11; POSTSIt Sititi, that some doubts had
existed, but were in ti course of rclnnval ; and
that, on the whole, , the inachinety of the
Bill
worked well. 'He should, however, conear in any
amendments that ntight be found necessary after
a proper experience.
Lord C,o7rtesteAott laid on the tulle some pa.
pets that bait been ordered, comprising a letter
fromMr.T.Sytlenhant to 10.4 Lorilsbip.—Ortlered
to lie on the table, attd to be pointed.
The other orders' of the Day were then disposed
of, and the House adjourned. .t.

M PORTANT PA RLIA M. uNTA RV- PAPERS

VOTES AND PROCEEDINGS OF THE HOUSE OF

COMMONS.,
RY.POIrr from the ST,,WT conurri. EE on the rtuvrt )
VOTES and PROCEEDINGS of the 1101.7 tit 'of 'COM-
MONS.

ResolVed,,That it will be advisable, that the
Votes and Proceedings of the House should be
preNtrett, printed, and distributed, according to
the method proposed and described in the papers
hereunto annexed.*

Proposed Abridgment of the present Printed Form of

the Votes of the House of Commans.

I.—There is an semi grievance at prekeM re-
sulting from the voltimincius 'length .of thi Votes
which, evert in ordinary cases, delays the- distribu-
tion until the fourth morning after the day to.
which they relate ; anti assn delays the e)6atnirra:-
(inn, and consequently the deli very of a4.,,c4iter
papers" nrinte•tby order of the. liottse:±

It.—Upon referring to the oldest Volittne'eso.
eant,of printed Votes, it appears that iii 1690, the,
essional Volume consisted of ;66,1*M) !IP"
ev.erage.of tett Tears, from 1750 to 1760, It-
amounted to47B..pages'annoally ; h the Seision
bf 1787.8; it sunonnied to .91"1..pagesi ati4l in, ifiat
year the uie of the Marginal Notes eras first intro-
Idoettl. In the year,180273, the Vofes
Voluines,'lstnoupting.in all to 2,1,0
a ennipteltsiop of the forms of entry and
I.mode of pi lo ing has since
*been continued, .with the lotertnediate aoarobi-
i
ttan'of -the eoinnsitsti. liotpeolifforetio
110. (549th Report.) rtoro the year Oil:6 to
I Loll

Thu *aunt:NO papers are examples al the dar, Of the
presmit Seisitift itt which matt hasiltess hat been dune,
ere-
pared accordihg to the proptised menial!, nnefiniitted,in One,
Shet;t;
,`They bitoW distinetlit the- Anti tad f ttie txilet of
thePlawr-Es. • _
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