The Sun.
London, England, 1828-06-11 00:00:00

The Marquis of LANSI)OWE presented a petition
from the persons assembling for religious worship in
Jewin Crescent Chapel, in the city of • London, in favour
of the Catholic Claims, which as it was short, the Noble
Marquis desired to be read at length.—The clerk at-
tempted to lead it,, but speedily stopped short, having
found it written in the Welsh language. There happened
to be a duplicate appended to the petition in English, which
the clerk managed with difficulty to get through.

ROMAN CATHOLIC CLAIMS.
The Order of, the Day for the resumption of the ad-
journed debate an. the Catholic Question having been read,
Lord Colchester rose at the same moment with the Bishop
of Llandaff, to whom his Lordship, gave way.
The Bishop of LLANDAFF rose merely 'to make an
observation, in explanation to what , bad fallen from him
last night, and which had been wisunderatood by a Noble
Earl. That Noble Lord had argued as, if he understood!
him „to say, not only that the time might soon arrive at
which the Catholic Claims might be Conceded, but also
that he (the Bishop of Llandaff) bad fixed that time by
saying " in the course of the next Session of Parliament."
Now, although he continued to be of opinion that sooner
or later the • Claims of the Catholics would be granted.,
still, as there did not remain sufficient time to onsider,
during the present Session of Parliament, the vaitte.atul
the efficacy of the security to the Protestant Church, ie..
ferred to on the former occasion, but thinking that be.
tween this and the next those securities might be consi-
dered and deemed, sufficient, lie had said it was probable
that even in the next Session this most important question.
might be
.settled by the concession of the Catholic Claims.
—(Hear, hear.)

• ,„.

Lord COLCLIESTER rose, and observed that what- -
ever might be said in favour of the Resolution before their
Lordships, the substance of it would effect a great change
in the Constitution. It was certainly a most desirable
thing to establish peace throughout the empire—but in at-.
tempting to do that, we ought to take care not .to put
arms into the hands of those who might tiie their politer
against the Protestants. (His Lordship then proceeded Sritoe
examine the question under three heads, namely—as it re-
spected England, Ireland, and foreign countries.) The -
Protestants know well that of all sects, theirs was the most
obnoxious to the Catholics—they ought consequently to be
cautious how they gave them power. Much had been
said about the altered character of the Catholic Church,
but be had seen nothing to convince him of it. It had
been contended that this measure was indispensably neves- ;
sary to insure the tranquillity of Ireland, butlie thought
the best means of preserving the peace of that country,
would be found in the due execution of the laws, -and in
the promotion of agriculture, manufactures, and commerce,
Which mrould follow the establishment of tranquillity. The
Noble Lord Concluded by arguing against the motion, on
the grotutd, that by the Oath of Allegiance no Foreign
Potentate bath or ought to have any jurisdiction within. .
these realms. ; . •

The Marquis of BUTE observed, that Noble Lord
who had just sat down had argued that the granting of
this motion, and the consequences that would -
,would give to the -Roman Catholics arms, with power
equal to those of the Protestants, but it was for the Noble •
Lord to show that the strength they now bad was not
equal to that which, under any circumstances, they could
have. The House had been also told, that the Roman
Catholic religion, was unchanged, and was exactly now
what it had been fOr'centuries, but this was in fact the
boast of. that Church ; they were pr,,ud of it, and if it
were a reproach, what Church was free from it ; hut at
,the sane time he .would ask, what Church would be guided
by writings of 300 years standing, or be governed by
them ? Much had been said about the divided allegiance
of the ROW= Csthalics—for 1, is part he would venture to •
assert that history afforded as many proofs of the divided
'allegiance of the Protestants as of the Roman Catholics.,
It was contended that the granting of these claims svontc,
produce tranquillity in Ireland—net that, in- his opinion,
that tranquillity would be produced by this means alone ;
yet it was certain that whatever cause of disturbance hail
existed they had all resolved themselves at last into wisht
teas called the Catholic Question. He did not deny the
existence of the power of the priesthood in Ireland, nay,
he would go farther and say, that this power was often
exerted in a very injurious manner ; but if the usischiek '
did exist, all that we had to do was to ascertain how such ,
mischief might be remedied. He believed this power arose
in a great degree from the mistrust manifested by .the Go 7
vernment of this country towards the Roman Catholics, in
1793, when the Roman Catholics sent a deputation to
ask that the freeholders possessing 20/. a year should be
admitted to the elective franchise. What then was re",
eeived ? What was granted 1 The Governinentogrsystqd
something snore than was asked—that this electisis
chaise should be enjoyed by the 40s. freeholders. It might
by some be supposed that this was an act of liberality ou,
the part of the Government ; but he much suspected the
' indulgence was granted because it would enable the Pro-
testants, who possessed the greater portion of the property
a Ireland, to drive a parcel of voters like so many pigs
to the hustings. , If, therefore, such a plan was pursued.
and if the influence had fallen into the hands of the priest-
hood, , this country .had. to thank itself for the result. In
allusion to the remarks made as to the pamphlets of
" J. K. L." and others, and the , speeches made at the
various public meetings and dinners in Ireland, he would
ask, was there a single man who would form his estimate
of the state, of public opinion in England from the state-
ments of the pamphlet writers of the day, and the brawlers
at places
.of, public resort. He contended that there was
but one course which could possibly give strength to the
empire, and bury thOse animosities on the part of the Ro-
man Catholics—which, however, be would affirm were
confined to but a few, in which real danger consisted.
The Earl of HADDINGTON observed, that it had
been well observed by a Noble Friend of his—in the do-
quent appeal he had made to the House—that it was now
impossible to go into any society in this country without
being convinced of the modified tone that existed upon this
subject throughout the kingdom, or without feeling assured
that things could not long remain in the state in which
they now existed: The course of the present debate had
led hint (Lord Haddington) to conclude, that a similar
feeling pervaded the breast of every Noble Lord, with in-
deed one exception, and that was an illnstrioue one. It
'shad evidently pervaded the breasts of the Right Rev. Pre-
fates, and he believed there was not an individual presee!,
j who did not consider that the present system could no:t
irrevocable. There was also another topic to which be. clr
liPirt'd to refer—the silence of many Noble Lords Wars bad
' formerly manifested the greatest anxiety to 4sfeud a
motion
thewere t,
wHouse,eanl:thv
great
eagerness
those who ..ostue to it to
stic
displayed
s asp] a
y that
oi
by no w before
come forward on this occasion—not that• he meant to
imagine that „
silence gave consent,"—but that it
chewed a conviction on the minds of all, that the
time, if it was not to arrive to night,
was not far
distant when justice would be at length given.--(Hear. )
It appeared to )situ, that neither the genius of popery nor
any other genius whatever, was strong enough to resist
the spirit of the present times. The Noble Lord had ai-
kido] to a very tremendous person—the most Rev. Dr.
Doyle. Now, he..(the Earl of Haddington) contended that
even Dr. Doyle himself was entitled to fair play, and it
was only reasonable that this able, though hot-headed ma",
should be allowed to speak for himself. Questions weie
put to Dr. Doyle when examined before a Committee of
the House, relative to the dispensing power supposed to be
possessed by the Pope in his Bulls, ie coma domene, and
the Doctor replied, "We (the Irish Catholics) never re-
cognized it." So it was with respect to all those anti-
social and anti-Christian doctrines with which, if carried
into operation, no state of human society could go on.—
The pledge contained iu the resolution proposed to their
Lordships by the Noble Marquis might he redeemed by the
appointment of a Committee of Enquiry, to investigate the
state of the laws affecting the Roman Catholics; or else
the subject could be disposed of by an Address of both.
Rouses to his Majesty, to remove the grievances under
which that class of our fellow:-subjects laboured ; or if it
were thought the preferable course, a Bill in;glit be brought
in to repeal the premunke and permit a conco, dat with
the Pope. Did the Noble Baron suppose the existing dif-
ficulties could be got over by sending capital to Ireland ?
—lf so, lie (the Earl of Haddington) thought his Noble
Friend was tnikalten, Thjtle Earl then proceeded