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London, England, 1828-06-10 00:00:00

sense has been at different times attached to it. I say, my
Lords, a different meaning has been assigned to the word
. Establishment now and formerly.; It is yelooekable what
differences of opinion have subsisted on thisetitYect—and
I shall quote the opinion of wilt; for the ptirpeee of
sheav-
hOw opinions clash in relation to it, and, liew modern
practice has 'superseded ancient prejudice.. Peao Swift
says—" If once we repeal the Saerameutal Telt, and re-
sort to toleration, and suspend the execution the penal
laws, Ido not see how we cen-he "said to haVe'an Esta-
blished Church." That, My Lomas, was ""sift e view of
the subject I need not say hoW far it hag been departed
from. A recent Vote of your Lordships is' sufficient evi-
dence or the fact. I have no Hesitation in dun
opinion that the best establishment is thtit Which leaves
'3, -field open to the employment and ativineestient.of personi
who may have the Misfortune to diffe-i sentiment with
• ‘i its followers. That, 'My Lords, is the state of thingewhich
- I wish to reach. There are three 'nolo of dealing with.
"Ireland. The first is, that which; with great' frankness,
and with a manliness which I lillotir,Tllll,4Tbeensitggested
by the leading party, ofOrairgenten, .
that. country
in their examination befere a CeinmitteoeVf Your Lord;
• ships' Rousse. They Sad' openly," (in Leland),
cant stay where we are, but we thii& the legislature
ought to 'go Now, my Lord,, this is open awl
:;andisl, and if it lie the opinion of tie; Legislative, as well
lei- of the party of whom I have niade mentionelet it he
also openly and candidly avowed. But let the difticiii-,
ties that joust attend the adoptiou of this course be alsa
taken into account.* I Say,' let the danger of adoption
course towards six or seven tailiknis,
failed, when 'applied hie million and'ii'hall, 1,, well.‘veigli-
ed and considered. Others say, "let us stay as we are,"
bat the misfortune is, at-e cannot comply
,wit's the advice ;
for while the laws remain in their previuns condition, other
things are full of change and .alterstion.' The laws coo--
Cone, and may fur ;I while continue to subsist, but other
institutions and establiihmenta • have heel, called into exis-
tence, and raised lip a power destructive of the be-t in-
' ttreets of the, country. Then, my Lords, what step reuesioe
for us to take hut •to adopt a i-ourse of teniporate, careful,
and moderate conciliatiun ? Iu diet system, and,
that system , alone, du I see hulks of placing Oil a
solid and Permanent foundation the and relieioua peace
and trariquillity of the iountry. By such judicious and
temperate measures only, can We eradicate the tholgese
With which ws ale threatetied by the new principles and
institutions flier hare sp: ong up aiming tio :My Lords, 1
remember that thO. mast sublime and lieautifill of Christiaii
'Nets; in•deseriliiiio the (sleet Of au merit the most super-
natos:al in'the history of mere aiol the meet ittp.' orient in
its resides to his future happiness, Lai alitidol to its extra
eirtlinaty cOrrequenees in it Streit' 'net entirely inapplicable
:se the present Stilijeet. The author to whom I allude. de-
-scribing tie; effiStos el the pieeeed- to -how how
t disarmed and extineuislied all coil prinsipho and rshelli-
oust powers .: • -
• " The oracle, :ir; dumb,
• No vice hum
‘' Runs daunt, toe ...ilea roof-7
And
" hut peaceful was the night,'
Wherein-trie Prince'of light '•
ff)., reign ofpeoce upon tire earth beg.in :
Mb winds with yonder whi,it,
• onnsiatilly the neater.; ki,t,
..,Wts'ii.poring new joys to the milifocerat.
se Who no Leith quite forgot t
.4 While of calm ,it on the clirm?il wave."
My Lerds:, I am well aware your Lurdshipm are pee-
' wised of no supernateral intim-tier to effect objects such ;se
*how ; 'but in the whole civil history of mankind, an obo
sect ,Ally less beneficial than this will be Seemtielislied
',cuing et rest the present question. If you wish to ratio-
essiiisli evil passions in an 'unhappy country-if you wish. it
uo forger tole assa.4:l by every.artifice of the deqning,
so be disteelsed „by every metion_of the nil bitleut—if you
astesitas to put an end to national discontent—and turn the
tide ,of fortune. on that island--von will coneede what ie
mow reqoired. My Lords, #is impossible to go on as we,
lleve door past tines--it is. equally impossible to con-
tisasse is we ere at preeerit. Th,:re?sfSe,etseret in civilized
Government, gip' Inellll4 sf avlssela yofl Rio excite at
one time, and eseutitislreeee at another. Tina Catholic
-leo-Isolation of, freissod , has ,ponser now to its batuit, and
'it whi continue to haese
ses geocviU and increasing
pewee. .1 say,. fey Lords, population ;if seven milltious
will pooeeee.power.in the State an epite of Ho, An
foamed popuisititm (anti the Catholics oeow daily more in-
fumed) will haVe .Tower—a wealthy popatOtiou (stud the
Catholics relatively ispeakior grow more weeithy) will
have power---a reading population.. will ,have powexesea
writing seopulatioa will letwe power. But, toy Lords, the
vowsetswthas they will have, aatl.whiels they must have
whether they will or nut, may he aaessesettled, undefined,
and unregotated power—a power for evil ;ea well as
gOOll
, power iu its operation like those. which seess burled
from eeteine heights, disdaiefid alike of limits and contemil,
aneersaOt Zo their etfeets, irregular is their course, earrese
w. ti„„ nor a pi-melee.. of, fertility, but a cause of
stil
devastation, till at )sngth, having escapid from their rocky
and precipitous tleseeto:s they settle down tin* more peace-
ful channel, into a steady, uniform, and fertilirlog foment.
My Lords, the power in poestassion, or about to be is piss
session of Catholic Ireland, restonblee• but too Much flip
former part of the description'; anti it is for the purpose of
assimilating it to the latter, that I call upon, you to concur
in the present measure. My Lords, let us not be blind to
the insinuations that have been thrown out, that there is
no difference between a people without an aristocracy, aod
an aristocracy without a people. I call upon you, my
" Lords, iu the name, not of myself,' but of the Commons of
Great Britaio, arid in the name, not so.ukacb ofireland, as
of this nation, tii agree to the resolution, which it now has
become my duty to conclude by proposing for your Lord-
ships' adoption. My Lode, the resolution which I have to
.propose to your Lordships is,
"That it is due opinion of this mouse, that it is expe-
dient to take into consideration the lowa effecting•his Ma-
jesty's Roman Catholic subjects, witli a view ,to a final and
conciliatory adjustment, for the peace and strenset!a of the
United Kingdom, the atabiiitysof the Established Choeeti,
and the concord and sstisfactioo of all classes of his Ma-
jesty's subjects."
The Noble Marquis wits greeted by cheers at the dose of
his address, and there were loud cello fur the ArthhishOp
of Canterbury. •
The Archbishop of CANTERBViIY then rose, and its
a tone of yoke seldom audible at the• position which we
occupied, among the crowd below the bar, was understood
to say, that he should-never forget what was due to the si-e
tuation which he had the honour td hold in the church,
end hoped by his conduct to prove himself worthy of
the high office with which he was invested. • The Noble
Marquis had brought forward u resolution; the object of
which was• that their Lortlehips should give a pledge to
attempt to discover such means as might be Med-
iated to bring about conciliation with the Roman CatholiCs,
' in order to effect a final adjustment, calculated to increase
the peace end strength of the United Kingdom, to promote
the stabilityof the Protestant Church, and the concord and;
satisfaction of all classes of the _community, 'ibis was
the effect of the resolution proposed by the Noble Mar-
quis; and if it were -so easy to accomplish what his pro-
posed, has (the Archbishop) would gladly concur in it.
lie repeated, if the effect of the resolution were likely
to he what its supporters imagined, no man in their Lord-
ships' House would be more ready to eoinply with it
titan himself. But he must be allowed -to hesitate if he
oaw no prospect of the reeolution's effecting this end. S4o
far from that being the case, he feared every discuseloo
rd the question hail givers rise to .fiesli impatience and
disappointment. The question had bee euspended be-
tween the two (louses of parliament for matey' ;sears, and
the balance hail been so nicely poised, that it was ititaieo!t
to sej to which side it inclined. Tbia state of uncertainty
woi not calculated to produce quiet nor tranquillity. • Ile
admitted ttett the question was one of vait importerwe to
the best intereats of the eml)iie• lay the nnhappy
state
of Ireland; the tteisdo and firmness ot Perliament.were
m
brought to a severe-Lest, Parliament would ra Nvithhidd
from the Roman Catliolics that to which they appoi'ed
properly entitled, at the liara time that it would not c 42-
cede to them, under the pressure sof fear, what was believed
inconsistent with the Constitutiotf. Every Government
possessed the right of self-defence—tfiss kzht to
exclude
front office, legislative and executive, those ti'brZere dan-
gerous to it. If that were exercised rashly or utti-ees"
Wily, it vote inaproyer ; but if for the porpose of securing
the State, it was juatitiable. In his view or the subject,'
it was upon this point thitt the queetion depended. in the
Retinmation that took place in the reign of Queen Eliza',
'Placed on the Bennan Catholics
Beth, no reetricticins were
until the necessity of the case called for them. ita the time
of Charles the Second-a declaration was provided tisiSi,ch
affected the Runian Catholics', and in that smite things
• ermined till the reign Of William the Third. Into' the sob-
ject of the Penal *Laws against the Roman Catholics, then
.enacted; and eubsequently in the reign of Mote, he should
snot then enter ; mirficeit to say they were retrieved ire=
our statute books its the titrae of George the Toiee. area
their" eeueal gave him the ireatest satisfaction. The
man Catholics were now free trims these hard and disgrace-
fal schackies, and at full liberty 'to entertain their- own
views of religion, doctrine, and perform their religioue ex-
ercises without mule Station. But further tuna this he ;vas
sot, at Present; prepared to go—because he thought it was
not palisade to go farther, with safety to our established
Cowititution in Church and State.
The Archbishop of TIJAM-My Lords, feeling..as I do
upon the question before your Lordship, I cannot allow
myself to give a silent vote upon it. Were this question