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IEBRIJARY 27, 1810.

practice that the Assent of the. Crown should be n 6;.
Cajal in ionte stage of the Bill before the third read-
ing, He-had nut howe‘er, so clear and positive an
'opiuon Upon, this herd, as not to be defedisie of in:.
fcrtnation•toguide . It struck him; therefore,
•l that time -saf.est coursetto-bei;ursued4u such- circom-
, stances, andlikc Mostyesperlfatmodethat couldbe
adopttdi °wards the _ Crown, was to obtain accurate
. information on.. thrse points', and for that purpose he
should move-.either to adjourn! thedebate to a inure
day, or to move that T the bilrbe read•a second
:on a future; i.lay,•Thorsday.riext- fel- example; that
bd. employed 'by a,;-Commii tee :in
searching for precedents respeettng the Mode. of:
prose:-bag on sucli occasions. 'The Noble 17.1:.count
c,'.'neltided-"witit making a. motion: to that
•Zip is Motion gave rise to along conversation be-
tween
,Lords GrenvillerGrosvenor; Sianqutii, and
: the,Lord Chantr!mtif*r And LotaßedesdAe. It tinned
chiefly on the pGo,.. :,!) what ::tage of a. bill ch.: as-.
sent of the crown. should be waited for, ard whew
timer the discussion
~dose 'commenced,. should be
•interrupted in itsp‘ rogr4s.i to wait for the sigrufica-
tion of Aae -Royal:pleasure— . .
Lord GRENVILLB was of .opinion, that the discus-
sion-
.of the principle of 'a. Bill being once entered
.into ut the House, it should not be discontinued in
1 that slage,,tne. geconc.l reading for example,' merely
to 'w;i)t Jor •of the. assent of the,
CroWn.-to.it., For wit le their Lordships Were con-
sideting-,the prerogative' of the Cro'wnl, they should
not lose sight of 'their own. prk.ileges. What else
woukl-,become of the freedom of debate. •
Lord:StrimouTa- never intended that the privi
-
1,-zes o(4 heir LordShipS should be ,compromised he
onty.tAptesscd a On-btas t<t
,the mode of pro-
: ceediog ;,o and, under thitt doubt, he was anxious
for. inioininfion to point, the propel: mode to be
pursued. •
After some •obsenalions from the Lord Chancel- •
lot "Ind Lord Itedosdale, the Noble Viscount con-
sented to I.;itlidraw his ca thin ; and the diSeussion
on the seroudreading• of the Bill vas resumed.
Lord .4oss -(ad.frish•Peer), objected to the Bill.
It uas one of terse measnres,:qespedling which a
chunone.had been caistd in the country',.'an'd• their
'LOr;n:hips woubl..aCl wisely. in considering 'how far
Snch clam Ours should be'. yielded. 'to. It Wki' the I
first step at dangerous innova-tious that should 1)e re- I
.
gstered. „i.perience had severely taught ttmat.:les--
so ► Not -that ho tie present l 3 11 of that
• :.,great ;cousequence.plat wafi attached -to it; as little
dd 'he think that it, w Ooki be. produdive of any of 1
the ads ant.t.e.; sy fondly exp,tied -Itom it. It could It
tend in no. oleaAure to lighten the purhens
,ol the I
people,. but it wpuld go. in a great degree to de-
traCt from the 9rertative and influence of he
Coristit!i,ou Was a tihiLhinc rnost • nicely poised,
moat delicately ba!anced, and that, -a feather might,
suffice to derange and- obstrisd its, motions. Every:
brancitof which, it consisted should be attended to
with itl.qual In consulting the wishes of the
people, we should not lose sight of the rights of the.
Crown. It: Was for their Lordships' House to-stand
between, and to see that one should' ntit be taken
'care of td the detriment of the other. Much had
been Sajd'Of the greatly increased influence of the I
Crown'. He verily believed that theiTifluence had
not increased of late years. If during war the in- 1
crease of the army and navy might be said to increase
tier influence of the Crown, must not thatinfluence
also decrease in time. of 'peace, when a great ditrii-
tuition' would take place in the eStablishments of the,'
navy and army. Yet on such occasions would'any
steps be taken, or any clamour raised, to .prevent this
deemase of "the influence pf .the. Crown ? It might
appear accbrding to circumstances to rise or fall, but
upon the whole it would be found to settle at its pro-
; per l~ wrl there preserve.it. was the proper pro-
vince of that .1-Luse.
,Lord; Flaanwtortt could not sub Scribe to the
sentiments of his Noble Friend, much as he valued,
and he eenild not *value too highly, his great know-
' ledge and experience.. He could not agree that there
was any ckiinbnit ilfthe country, and that the preaent
measure was agny clamorous attempt at dangdtbus-
' innovation. Under the pressureof its burthens, the
.
country s.e.ry naturally looked for eve.,2r alleviation
whieh it was in the 'power_of Parhamvnt or the
Crown to oford_theru. Niliament WaS, pledged in
Phe most s'oletnn manner -40 bringT about this very
• measure, if there ever was a time when
mPar-
liaent should intain its charaaer in the eye of
the cpentry, the present was, perhaps, particularly
'olo•oeut. - -denied that the present measure
wonld have t-the smallest. tendency to lessen the in:-
ilnence,' or 40 =l'o3o upon . the •prerogtnive of the
CrO. n. 'lt would have'the vety opposite etleht,
whiltii is Ntroyld so far Secure the ads/Otago of the,
counny, by :•securiug proper persons
.to fill those
plsees which wo"Uld he still at the ttsposal of .the

erbwn
lard RE'pR4DALE contended that there was no
real for the assertion that the influence of
It was true that our'na,,
tuilitary establishments bad greAtly increased,'
-htit this i;:crease naturally grew out of the situa_tion
in ;which he codntry was used, and would as na-
turally alter from the alteration of these circlan-
StarlC::`.3. It was also true that the revenue had.
increased,' and that'the taxes had increased; but it
did niA'follow that by such increase the influence of
the Crinlvn 'was augmented. It war true, indeed,
that Revenue Officers, collealors of taxes, Scc. were
appointed 'by Goliernment ; but though their num-
ber may have increased, the influence of Govern-
mem was not therefore greater. There Was always
'an increa,ing_ ezgree of irritation produced in the
public: wind by 4be increase of these Officers, and
sip-far cuuuteraEted any addition they might be
•sunvosed to.nalke to the •inflnen'e,..: of. the Crown.
S,rion,,ly to entertain socli. apprehensions was to,la-:
.hour naor,a prejudice, and to view the question
only on o•oe'sitic,- . .

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SIXPENCE

• Lodi BORR.IN'CzDoN was onci Cif tit: WhO sup.
ported at Bill of his natece \Oren- -).v is tivst brought'
forward, and•who itri„ressed with the'neces".:-, _
shy of it, that he -differed 'on tiliurbee':'iSion in ()pi=nion from thofe with whom ' Ise was then in. the
habit 'ot With tft- propriety and tiecessity-
•Of -a treasure of that. Sort, he was eve.ry day more
and- more inipressed ; and a sin''il.l)-‘ihtpression-inmst
be -felt by their Lordships if they but. loOked. tot
;the history ' and origin of tile •tneasure, rind to
-the • pledgewhich Parliarrictit' had 4il.- solemnly
,given -to -carry it into ekecwion. MS Lordship
then briefly adverted to the ditita of the mea-
; 'sure, in the rec:ontinendateion of the
'Committee,
,fr(itn which,. Constituted as- it -now
Was,. so much might.- be expetled; and to the '
-manner iniwhich• it had., been carried in the
of )er House of Pirliarn*t: :All 'these clreum-
stances-. could not but have , raised • a considerable
degree .'of anxiety in the e.tuniry and a con-
fidence
in the ,poople that Parlialneht would. now
realize their expectations
.td it;
fiow sorely must they be disappoirred, tf, nicer so
much fairness of promise, nothing should be effected
•to ards the. adoption of that -system of clemency,
npon which alone. thei.seery. o: thecun;itry turtst
nittinitely dep(nd. ' The -Noble Lord contended
that the aJoi.stion of the -
means entrench on !he nteregzitive or the influence •
of the Crown. •On the% tr-ir••• Crown v wind
still have the ~a;,ne, post er, thdie upon.
sinecure placeS might be betoWed, would be res-
cued frotha' most abjea state to which in •other
'eases they would inevitably be
rd I/ult.:Lc/ v-ry Elrenouily sup-ported the BiiJ.
He was surptised,,to hear any Noble Lord s,:eak of
the drin.cw,of change and inno.,:tion. Were things
always to remain, ,ho .t ever great. the changes that
Wight arise atomid Usr is the citare situation ? Was
,the_Constjnuti6n a thing onwt:ceptible of Improve-
ment, and could it never be' improved without the
• Of dang(t• ? If no ch tngr. )ideter been allowed,
would the gri)riOus revolution ever have taken place
which' secured our libettib, brat otherwie, would:
.have been bit ?_ If 'to, loge had ever been -
should we-now hate the. present Family-.on the
Throne-I.—if no chaa.ge .ever been tit!(ie in tile
Constitthion,'wheru would lie all the boastcd wisdom
• furtitude of our akcest:•rs, to the fime of
they arc only entitled almat these. •
•
saluturychanges Tir,if some change most be made
in the presents} stem tiftliit4s, was altut)SfunitersAlly -
fill and ackniawle(ll; our inAmns must he er.otto- -
tni zed-your resources husbanded, or wo slaou d not he.;
able tosurrnOunt the ditlict.lt with which we hhd (91
sAlggite. The...people have been taught to look for
the eat
.a
(-(ic.%present insttnice inosrsotennu 11 cl;,11
it they fail of making good that p'ionti'se, and it thy.
betray an
.'unwillingtte;.3
.to correl abtuses, and to:
retrench, useless expenditure,, will they not thelli—
selveS san6lior! the opinion which dajly.-spreads too.
much among the people,
.that.. are • ail
.jually corrupt,;• that-on -the t'c (4 our l'aJb.-
lic,Men no reliance can any longer be,safely plated.
• It' were therefore the interest 'as well as the duty rf
• Parliament A. realize the expeaations -they
shad
raised—at least he trusted their Lordships would
feel the necessity of vindicating !Lei!: own chat
and asserting their own independence, by .marking
the present Bill:with their-decided approbation-. •
Thq LORD CHANCELLOR opposed the motion, on'
the ground that 'it, trenched on the prerogative of,
the Crown, and ,that all the Constitutional Law
yers had ..been inimical to any tnnovatiian bf that
nature. Hisi•Lcirdshin denied that Parliament „had
fallen into disrepute.; but if ever it should.fall into
disrepute, would Venture to say, that it would
from aCiing with" a view to popuiaihy niftier. than
upon itssown -deliberate judgment. Hee-then gave .
a short statement Of the manlier in which ttA:se '
had beer. brought before, the House. He ack,n6ari
iedged that he wishea lobe -dutious how he need.- •
died with a system which had been the prv:tiCe of
of the Constitution for three centuries. Stilt he did
-riot go- the length Of saying that no goo'd could- be
done by ajudieious tegulation--'-by curtailing the pro-
fits of some offices liable to be gia:it,ed it) revel siou—
and,. perhaps, by abolishing otters. But suit .
lations could only take-- plaCe. upon a ciue.and delibe-
rate inquiry_ ; and it would, not.beco:no it Lord;
,;
-ships to legisla:e upon .the 'subjea nont the op•
portuniv of making, the inclu ry,. and hi'ving the
'whole matter before them. Tut be believ-ed -
.possible' that the result of any' inquiry ought, to iv- • '
.duce them 16 go the length of this 1.1111. Any mea-
stare of general regulation - tic would examikte with. • -
the utmost 'care . and iMpartiality, and, give- it. his
stamina, as far as he could consistently with.nisl,ol.
lie duty.'
Lord GROSVENOR replied; and _their thet: Lo;d7.
Alps diificied„ when there appeared; -
• - Fur the Motion Contents
• •
Proxies -3434
. .
• Against it . Non- content
, Proxies - - 57 • •
•
' —77_106.
Mzi.jority against it
Te liotise:adjourped at Ten o'clock. .
•
1100 SE OR CO2li-MON3,
• . MONDAY, FEB. 26... . •
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MI% WILBERFORCE presented a Petition from:the
, Debtors in the of Surrey,: whiCh was laid on ,
'the Table. • •

.
e . SSheriffs', of London 'presented R:tition
from the Mayor, . Aldermen,-, and. Commons of
the City of London,. itgainst• granting a pension of
20004 per_, annum to Lord Wellington; which
ordered to be hid,on the Table: .

Alderman CONIM in consequ.ence of what was
said by his,.friend (Mr. Whitbread)- nit Friday las!,
who exprevied a wish he wo-uld defer the itio-
.tion, of Which lie bad given notice, rest: ling the
advice given to lii.s:.viiijesty by.his iMinist‘rs, tiot co

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re.ceive the'' City Address in the customary manner,
waded Lis notice of -motion for the present.

VEST INDIA DOCKS.
Mr. BARnAM stated, that a paper had been puf
into his hand which might appear to inculpate
time Gentlemen, but yet-be conceived it his duty
14) hring the subjed .pt.fore the House. It was in.
cliff, rent to hirn.Nyhat step -should ;be taken; as his
sole Objed-was to, have the business investigated.
The paper complained-that there were soine abuses
in the appropriation of the funds,of the West India
Doelo; according to the 3gth of the King, relative.
t..) the Property 'fax. -He therefore moved, " That.
ithe Annual Account of the West ..India Docks be
ri,t'erred tO'a Seled Coinmittee; and: that it report
*_ its observations and opinion thereon to the House."
Mr. H IIjBERT laid, the Hon,Metnt:er• did pot stafe,
any grounds to show the neces-ity or expediencyof
b aineasure. The Directors acted to the best of
-:heir opinion, in 'pursUance of the Act of Parliament.
• Mr. Rose observed, ihat .the parties might have
rycourse to law -it any thing had been done wrong,
el:4d a legislative measure may be had recourse to,'
which Avas, preferable in his opinion, to a Select
Committee,.. ' .

The,motion was then put and7agrekzd
• ' .I,OI:I)(2S4ATtiAM'S NARRATIVE: •
The.CHAINICE&LOR of the EXCIiEQUER brought up
'his Majesty's Answer. to the Addtcss; Which was as
la,fows ;

«' His Majesty has been waited upon with the Address of
this House of,Friday last, the,i3d of this month, to which
he has haen gr.cipusly pleased to dirca the,fullowing answer

to l) given.
!t The Earl of Chatham having_ requested his Majesty to
permit him to present his Report to his Majesty ;.'and hay-
. ing also requ'6sted that his-I:%,l'4jesty ould not communicate
it ler the present, 'his Majesty received it on the isthef,..l4.-
, nuary last, and kept it until the loth of this month, when,
in consequence of a wish having been expressed by the Earl.
of Chatharnf on'the 7th of this month, to make some alter-
ation.in it, his Majesty returned it to the Earl of- Chatham.
T-be Report as altered was again tendered.to his Majesty by
the Earl of Chatham on the t4th of this month, when his
• M:;jcsty diredled it robe delivered to his Secretary of State;"
• and his Majesty has not kept any copy or minute of this Re-
port as delivered at either of those times; nor has he had at
any time-any other teport, memorandum, narrative, or paper
• submitted to hirrrby the Edrl of Chatham relating to the late
E z petition to Scheldt."
Mr. WHITBREAD wished to "know who was the
Privy Councillor, = .I.VleMber ~of that 1-louse, 'that
took. his Majesty's pleasure on the Address? tHere-,
he- Paused," bpi receiving .no answer,. proceededl—
- tbe HOO. Gentleman mean by his
slence he mean to say that he would not
gfv-,t an answer ?,'
Th.e'Ci.tAscEL.Loß of the EXOHEQUER
that .ke had no objeCtion to answering the
•y t he thought tikere was something of courtesy to
questions due from one side of the Honie to
7the,•• ctLer. He thought it. was not decent to ask
Oleo, in:, threatening tone.
• 7.1 r. WHITBREAD apologised for threatening, if
. he 13.:d (1,,0u-so, but declared that he had no inteu-
- tion-of 3o doing. Hethen repeated the question;
,„,
subjeta forward rty-,•,.
otor.! forthal mrrnner. .

- .11:11('S.QH NCELLOR 'Of the.ExcincLuEß had no ob-
.
je6ioß to•inswer it:. He, himself, took the plea-.
ttre. at his Mijesty on the Adchess.
-After a shott conversatinn as to the forms cus-
-tomatS on sqch 'an "occasion, in which Mr. TIER--
tzo, the SOEAKER, and Lord TEMPLE pirtlci-
, ri Led ;
-Mr. -PotcsOlgiY gave notice, that he:would on a
ftva,l-e. day make some observations or the answer
givezi to the Address of the City of London.
The S'PEAK ER gave notice, that as. an Eleaion
Qc.watilittt:e was to be formed to-Morrow, he
sho:Ild at" four o'clock count the' House for that
_ MILITARY EXPENDITURE.

S.r T. Tuts Tor: rose, pursuant to.notice; to call
for ti.e Expenditure of the Army,, aad the dispo-
sition'of. the tcrce. He vindicated himself from the
irnputationa, that had been thrO:vn• out against hira
G. ntienten., on the opposite side. He. denied,
that ri:kre was any thing onconstitwional in what
=gad advanced:: ;VVnen he rernernb,:redthat in laSt
April, whip 106-,000 men were retprned as effec-
tive, 16,000 contd, not•tte fottod ready-ro attempt
,air p.rtilortarit.ervice, he thQiiglit some inforination
ifecei4ary.. fie then cen&ured Mioistqrs as wasteful
and iirivrovident. Thq had, in., his opinitin,.con•
_ t6bineit not a tittle to the subjcigution of Spain. At
eNellt it W.IS not 'for him to take any particulaely
',crOtig meJsuresagainst Ministers, bat hereafter he
ntighti:Lel-it to be Its dtity to take part' in,itefetring
.charge against them. -He fad a right' to call fur
rile military expeoditure .of , the country, when
pr.,0V)1.. had b-,en protni,ed to Portughese„soldiers,
•he:ore that. Hcatse had been consulted on
jeti. He would oppose going into the Army Esti.:
-,matis till .the returns were produced. After-some
..furil:er observations,. the Hon. Biirontit concludesl
.by MOViltg for returns or the Expenditure, f:r the
serv4 of the country, from the 24113 of
Diet'intier-,iBoB to the 2.5111 Of Dec,onlher,
.1809.
Mr. LONG said,' it was'a question if' it we're prac-
ticable to prod;ice the accounts called for. If the
Hon. B fioret wished for a return Of, the sum.s is—

sued within that period,' for the military service. of
the- -country, the4e would' beim, ditlicalty in •:coa-i-
-ply ing with his wishes; but the accounts 1110)t4d•for
• conic got prAsibly ,be..laid.bef ore the House till re-
. tu'rns. ft lin the whole of our..colonies were received..
• If the flon.•ll.iarptiet.:wislic& for accounts of the
before they went-into the Army L.,11-
. males, tie was sorry the vicitiOn had.not been.made
at an earli,A' periCkd, .that .they.might have had time
'to Ifare got the aehounts roade• tip previously to. their
being brought forward:
Sitecf: Ttiatoti stilted, that. he hid :iPplitd• to the
Secietary •of Vat a fortn,ight 'ago, vc'hu, bad .reptied
tCat lie. fecited the accounts could slot be made up
• the time.—By what tithe.?--Could not the Army
I,estimati..s, :le would ask, have been deferred to have
• atibrded time ?, conceived they might, without
aetriment" to tliti iervice of the Conntry, Though
the retui-n liot-:§ the colOnies were'noi• yet received,

cou:dl,iy. Before the Hpuse aceoun'ts Of the
-peiloes hrt.,:ulrtd 6y the Expedition Willoheren.
He -*As, rn opinion, that within a. shgrt iinie the a,cr.
c,..:unts I-nov.ld fur rt ght be made ni in a cert:tin

. .
r•'Sir J. Newrett.r considered. the System' of ac-
counting to be defe&ive, and was•of opibion,that It
might be better to bring die Army Estimates for-
,ward .at a later. period in the. Session, in order that
the accounts of the last year might be fully laid be- .
lore the. House.
Mr. HUSKISSON apprehended, that if the Hon.
-Baronet thought the, accounts for the last year could
,be made up in a very short time, he would find-him-
self much inistaken.—lt was not taking & nil view
of the subjea to say, Shew ire' what this or that,
expedition: cost, as the same
,provision must have
been made for the pay, Bce. of the officers and- men,
if nota man had been sent out of England. It was
impossible to make up the accounts down to a very
remit period.
Mr. PARNELL said, that as by far the greater part
of the items were furnished by this couetty, he
could see no objeaiett to producing the accounts,
and adding to them those from the colonies.i,vhen
they arrived. •
Mr. cALCE AFT observed, that one .part.of the •
Hon. Baronet's Speech had not-been-replied to. It
had not vet been explained 'how it was that - while
105,000 men were returned. effeelive t6,ooo_could
not be found fit for.service. • . •
Lord PALSIERSTON said, the answer.--was easy
enough. Though there were 105,000 effedive•inen,
-yet. they were not disposable:. Out of the Muller
'returned, 118 or, 90;000, wanting accouireinents;.
&c. were not- immediately ready. for service. .
The CHANCELLOR of the Excitehau remarked,
that many of them Avavin just returned froth 'other
Expeditions, though properly, returned effeetive,
it could not be imagined were Itnineclia!ely dis-
posable. . . . • • '
Sir G. WARRENDER made same •obieivations on
the reply, with which he was not satisfies.
The House then divided, when there appeared—,
for the motion 35 ; -against it 76.
. The Corn .Distillery Prohibition Bill was then
read a third time, and passed.
,A new writ Was ordered for Cambridge, in the
room of Mr. Charles Yorke, virho had accepted the
Tellership of his'Majesty:s Exchequer.
Lord FOLKSTONE inquired why the holders- of
Exchequer Bills, at an interest of 3 # per cent. per
day, had had new Exchequer Mills given for.them
at an ieterest.of three and a half.
Mr. WirAaToie replied, but in so low a tone that
we -could' not coiled what he said. -
Mr. MARTIN gave notice, that after the termina-.•
tion of the pending Inquiry, he would move for
, leave to bring in a
.Bill to extend the provisions of
an. Aa relating to .Suitors in• Chancery,'"&c.: : as
also, one on the-subjed of ipe's and customs of abo,
hated places.
LORD WELLINGTON'S ANNUITY BILL.

On the-Order-Of the Day being read for the se-
cond reading of Lord, Wellington's Annuity Bill,
Mr. WityrattiAD wished to know, if after the Pe-
titicio that day presented by the Sheriffs of the,City
of Loudon, the Chancellor of- the Exchequer would
still press the grant to Lord.Wellingthn:.
The 'question on the second reading was about
to be pus, when
Mr. WHITBREAD rose again. The Petition, he
saA, was of such a nature, that he .cOuld not help
. • • ••.;- T it/
lington's simple statement of hiS.affairs, Which had
been read by.an *Hon'. Gentleman opposite, though
it did not appear that • the Noble Lord's circum-
Stances were splendidly affluent, yet.it did not ap- •
pear that be was absolutely in want of. wherewithal
to support. his peerage. He thought the' bringing
of it forward was ill-timed, at a junatore when they
were called upon to vote a million for the pay of
Portuguese troop's; and when, notwithstanding the
display of valour on the part of Lord Wellington,
which they were thus called ,on to-reward, Spain
had been overrun, and her every hope of independ-
ence-annihilate:J. He concluded, strongly protest-.
ing against thegrant.
Sir J. NawliottT thought there was no additional
objection. When the merits of-the-case were last
agitated, the fate of a much regretted friend-of his
was involved 'in uncertainty. That uncertainty had
since resolved itself into a melancholy 'certainty,
and he thought that in consequence of that' circum-
stance,_it would have been -well to have rewarded'
the serviced of, Lord Wellington with the sinecure
thus .left vacant (the 'rellership 'of the. Exchequer).
That,however, instead of being given to one who
had fought for his country ahroad,• had been be-
stowed on a Person who had distinguished. himself
by lighting the :battles of Ministers at: home. He
thought the petition from the city of London entitled
to 'great'. attention:- •Thongh- he did , justice to the
prowess of Lord Wellington, yet he was. of Opinion
that while no such acknowledgment had been made
of the services of General Moore, it did not b.!come,
Ministers to prnpose such a grant-to the Noble Lord
wbo had fought the battle ofTalavera.
Mr. HuTeniNsots. spoke in high terms of the.
coildua of Lord Wellington. Whatever his send»
merits might be of the policy cpf the -campaign in
Spain ands• Portugal, he thought. Lord Nrellitig:on
had deieryed well'of his country. :- , •.

Mr. ivL N censured Aliniisters for 'hurthentrik
the country unnecessarily: .'ne.thought they (ni°ght
Eave regitited• Lord Wellington's 'services with the
Tellership of• the Exeherine.r, instead of bestowing
it on, a person whose,services they had yet to learn.
sie W. CURTIS, while he spoke in the highest
strain of panegyric of the City-of London, felt it to
be his duty to vote-for the gran
A. division then
.took place, *lieil the nurnber3
Were- • „

For the 2d Reading .
Againbl it ..:- -
Naj9i-ity in favour of the 2d Reading

IA
36
--70

COMMII"I'EL OF SUPPLY.—AaMY ESTIMATES.

Lord PALiTERSTON.E (on strangers being re-ad-
mitted into the Gallery) was addressing the Chair—
man upon the-proposal .for voting theiEStimates for
the service of the Army. The Noble Lord, it-; a-Very
comprehensive and' eloquent speech, 04Qt.:.P0edito
lay before the Committee the general principle4Upon
which they were called upon to accede to the Esti:
mates which he was about to propose. These Esti-
mates had bean framed in strict conformity with
those economical principles whiCh at all times , go-
verned the condu& of his Majesty's present Govern.-
rnent. On a minute comparison with- the Esti-
mates of the former .years, Gentlemen would find
that there Would be no increase in the expellees•
further than what the exigences of the service re-
quirt, nor indeed had any reduction been Made in

the force other than compatible with the.defenceof ',
the country. ',The Eslimates were divided under
tsientyaone heads, which the wduld shortlystate..--
In the 'first head stood the Land Forces. - It would
be seen that the greatest attention had been paid to
the rule which provided, that the.estlishtnent of
the. Army should .consist principally of effeCtive.
'men: For instance, when the number of effective
men in any regiinent fell • short of '4OO, care had
been taken that its effective -strength should consist
of that number, and so on progressively. He had al-
ready 'stated, that in framing these estimates fato-;
nonly had been the governing rule, and, upon that
principle, at the recommendation of the Commis-
sioners of Mi.itary Inquiry, the allowances for the
suPply of forage,, and bread .and beer would come
under the Cammissariat Department, and conse-
quently not form any part of the preSent Estimates,
' Under ans. head a considerable saving would take
:place, as also in the reduction of the Agency for Ca-
Valry Regiments, which, from themeasurei which
bad been adopted, would make a diminution of one-
fourth in point of numbers in that btaptl, of the sera
vice. Another reduction was the dismounting ef t wen-
ty men per troop in each regiment 3' last year it had
been proposed to dismount ten; but upon. consider
anon it. bad been deemed advisable to make a
further redudion, and to dismount ten more.---
The average number of Cavalry Regiments were ten
troops of eighty) Making in the v. hole 800. The
:eying in these- respects would be little short of
100,0001. Having 'stated the principal Arrange,
ments in point Pi saving,. he ,would now proceed to '.
the increase and decrease of theland forces. Under
the head-of Household Troops -there would be found
a decrease'in the number of men of 7000, and con-
sequently a decrease in the cli trge of maintenance
of 41,2491. In the Dragoon Guards a decreasesat ,
486 meri, and of 26;2301. in the charge. Another
point of saving in the expenditure was the cliscon-a
• tinuance of Quarter . Masterson the several troops,
and the appointment of Tieop.'Serjeants to fill their.
stations, by which a swing of between 7 and 80-001.
.consequence
would accrue, and the troops in be ,
better disciplined. With aesped to the introduc-
tion of Second Battalions in regiments of this'species -
Of force, the numbers would be increased 2b66,
and the increase of expence would be about 70,0001.
Their effedive strength would be manifest, and.
their capabilities liar every purpose of recruiting.—
The next head would relate to the unnumbered
corps; a reduction lad taken.p-lace of 500 men,
thereby decreasing the charge 49,7211. 'There had
also been a redeartion in the Gas rison Battalions of
two battalion, at a saving of 39,8171. The Royal
Waggon Train, Which consisted of 12 troops, were
nowteduced to 7 ; it had been considered diet the
numbers were greater 'than necessary for the bene-
fit of the service,. and file troops had been discos-
tinned. With a just attention, therefore, to the
interests.of the service, and. to public economy, a
saving in that respect would- be made of 23,4331.—
Another point was the recursion of the Barrack
'Artificers -at Gibraltar. Oriainally it- had bean
thought proper to employ.certain- corals these to do
the necessary repairs, and to allow these men to re-
ceive pay, and of-course be'siibject to military dis-
ciplijoe. - Since thee, the repairs having been corn-
int,t...-1 digit ,prvirt.s were no lonver nArr,cary_ and
they were reduced.; In •ad!-litiou to :this reduction:
was'that of the v 1 mx Fenciblea, which consisted of
ten' companies ; ,theae had been reduced to four, the
total -number of men. now
.being - only 347. Ibe
saving to the country in Barrack Artificers was.
13,3641.; ' in: the . Manx Fencibles 44731.. ":. Tlie
Noble Lord proceeded to _state the increase in .the
establishment,' which in .the'a-rieat three- heads,
would, in-pointof charges; be 27-,7571. in which
Would be included a sum t).1: about 2t ,0001. for tal-
•ditional Field Officera. Although this' charge ap:.
peered on the face• of the _estimates for . the first:
time, it was not a new one, bet had been originally
defrayed by Parliament, alai included in the aggre-
gate vote. In ~the' miscellaneous services, which
would next come under attention,' a tareeincrease i
of expence (t 13,9211.) woteld be apparent ; this 1
arose principally- from a very large sum being re-- '
(aired to make up
.the losses incurred. in Spain on
service, and in other quarters,' particularly it, South
America. It was proposed also,' for the comfort of
to introduce for tire first time into the es-
timates., . an' allowance to the regiments at home,.
similar to that- enjoyed in the navy, viz. an allow-
• ance on account of wine. This was proposed in
consideration of the high duties which attach, and
• it was daeriatal but fair to extend the benefit to Mi-
litary Officers as wellas 'Naval. , The sum required
he supposed. Might- be about 10 or 12,0001. but that
' would be the subject of future conaideratiota—
The Noble Lord stated, tflat, though the in-..
crease - under this head of Land Forces would
,be': 127 men, • there' would be a decrease of
9a,4771. in the charge. , The next . head to which
it was necessary to call the attention of the Com-
mittee, was the regiments in the East Indies, which
for the first time would be taken, under the:cogni- •
zance of 'Parliament, although the. expences of that
Establishment were
,defrayed by the. East India
Company, the expencea of the recruiting were.
however charged to the country. The next heed
was the Embodied Militia, if, Which there bad been
all increase of 2017 men, and a diminution orexpence.
• of 337,6581. This large decreasein thaapharge arose
from making a larger redudion of the non-effediye
tnera•and from transferring the forage and bread al-
loianaes, as he had already stated,' to the. Commi-
ssariat departinent. Lillie Staff and Garrison. Esta-
blishments, .an increase'of expellee 'would arise ef.
21,2471. on account of the Medical Staff principally,
and from the scale of allowances to be wade in. fu-
ture for the Chaplains of the Army. The outline of
i the arrangements, with respect, to theChaplairis, he
trusted would be approyed. It had been judged
! proper to make these ifeverend Gentleincla a float-
' ing and disposable i)64y, and to. provide that for the.
future 'any person to beappomted.Chaplain in the
Artily, should bring proper teltitnonials of his, elle-
faeter and abilities, to he approved 'of by the Arch-
bishops of Canterbury' and York and the Bishop of
London ; that' when: they had been eight years in
the ser. ix, they should be entitled to half-pay; at-
' the rate of as. per diem; that au addition of 6d. per
, diem, per annum, should be
,made, until they al-,
. I ivect at I Os. there to stop: This, he trusted, would
make these respeetable persons stye comfortable.--
The next head of material alteration was.. the Public .1
Departments, .iii salsich an. increase pf 21,e:371.114d
taket, puce in 111't charges; on accennl of the vast

other Offices conue&cd or dependant on it.;
increase of business in the War Office, and
There
had been, however, a slight decrease in, the
-Office of the Commander in CliieT, consequenc!
of the Military Secretary Colonel Torrents not hold-
ing the situation which his predecessor:. Colonoel .•
Gordon did. In the Pay Office, an increase te
1,2ti91; hag arisen. on account of the payment °`
Exchequer fees.- In the War Office the increase
Was 88651. Gentlemen would bear it in their recut-
leetions,
had that nth Report of -the mm"
of
of Military Inquiry stated, that the I,lor
c •
raice could-not . get through their business, un
count of, the vast increase trorn the prottaded stow
of the war. An arrangement was made aceordlingift.'
(which arrangement had been maturely coltsinexe
by the predecessor in office of the Noble Lord)ci.
tending to accelerate the passing ofeaccounts) on
this was by dividing the business of ciatirining 0°.••
counts from the other public business; ites'sr.
office was built, and three intelligent alien,
quainted With the War Office •business, were $4,4 •
leted to superintend the 13w establishment, ~:blear
consisted of an augmented number of clerks, be! at.
• twenty-four. There was great reason to hope t"--
the greatest benefit'would be derived, in respeat t°
the ,army bpsiness, from this new establishrnelit ;
the office of Examiner of Army Accounts had heel
abolished,' and a saving of 001.; and the Gentle
mien ivho held that situation now receives on'Y
'ado). Mr. Moore; the Secretary,' retired on a°'
lacy, which, including the 8001. he receives frorta
the poreign Office, makes his income 18601.
annum. Mr. Merry, in consequence of the recoil"
mendation .9f the.Cornmissioners' of Inquiry,_
quished the situation_ which lie held Of Porveyor
(gals to the Garrisou.ot Gibraltar, which ,roduce,
hith 01. a-year- In the Quatter-Master-Gertera''s- -
Office there was a small increase of s7l. ,for 0305'•
plans,. &c.'necessary for the service of tbd artuY•7"' o.'
The next head of increased
,expentee .which tb-
Noble Lord. noticed was' the Medical Army Den r
merit. A Board of General Officers had sat for the
Purpose of devising some plan for making the INIe"
dical;.Board more beneficial. in future, and 4'09
suggested • that the Depa ent should be tinder 11.-ie-•
d
controul of a Direor-Gelieral,-'ard PrinCiPW' ••
/nspedors. . These Gentlemen were required.
give up their private prat-lice, and as a rertlukte
r:
ation for the sacrifice, an increase of salary
be given ; it had also: been reeonaniencled to
Lit
continue the Office of Inspeaor of Hospitals 4C
home, as being' quite unnecessary. The Hospitals 4C
head was • that of the Half-nay arid- Niilitart
Allowances. In that respeta a decrease of 5337';
would take place in the• expence of Chelsea One.
1.v0u19
Kilmainham Hospitals ; there was a decrease 91
81,5921. Under the head juit. stated from tbis.'Cal,se.
A sum of iOO,OOOl. had been t.aleen and appropriated
to this service' from the onciaimed prize-moneY;
which Gentlemen 'would recoiled by the Prize
Government are
,authorised to appropriate, a su
he
nl
of more than 2.00,0001. had been paid over by t
Agents to the fueds at Chelsea, but pf [tits rani
14,0001. had been claimed arid paid, leaving a gut.'
plus- after withdrawing the one-half of o,oool'
In the article of Widows' PenSiens, a, small ilicreaP3'
-of 66411. was made. With resped to the Volutueor
Corps there' tv.. Corii:lerable decrease_ io the
the
charge of not less than 131,Y.531: arisiog from'
discontinuance of many of. the corps, from tba
Ia
transfer: of them. to the Local Militia, B,;e.
the 'cal 'Militia a w
very, considerable reducliott
Co
had also taken .place
_lace in .the. charge, which :ould
be found under the proper' head of
ducert charger 417,6001. was not. voted in this Year
the 'test ap.)se frown tlit:dAy- of training. 1.3 y b,• itru.
l
discontinued he trusted that.--this part of
establishment would be found' laity c•ifie,ient
1
beneficial,: for all. the pniposes- -of defence. I"
foreign corps an incrEa'se had arisen of
975
into pa-f, the increase of expence in, that -tor-
pally. from. takinCthe'. buke of Bruniewic.K.S
. „
• ectl
was q 4,7701. A sum.Of .40.,97.21. had Ye`.:,l of
Creased by. the erection of a new college,d
the Royal Military College, f 4: the etitvati- 7
"9'l
training rn
.up to arms of our youths—an teLt*'-'-ebad
the charge of the Comp.:ss'onate List off 4°l- luit
accrued. The Noble Lord shortly stated sntiiii
minor details; which in the aggregne,
those he had already named in point of reducli be
%would make' a total of 1,081,8501. 'lt Would Ue,
Old
nb,erved, but fair-to state, that the redtieti="n
lnce
.not brr aftogether a saving, but bn a bal
the estimates of the two former years, the mere iii
number of men would be 1417, and the decre34'rn',l„.
expence, 952,021. The;Noble Lord haviug P
these general arid particular statements, insisted tttliea
.those 'Gentlemen -who were disposed to tlnetbar
the propriety of the Estimates, would consida
the,artny was great in- point of military strePg7
in artns_vt,,
that we have upwards of 600,tU
000 men
which, I,f was added the number of tten the'eu.,3e
a total _amount little short of' 800,000 men a '."13.10
employed in the defence. of the country ',uovie.
try, when so large a
seen. There was no time the history t: aof
.1
Great Britain were armed in defence,' our will
_0(.1
notwithstanding character of the Wari.Wers
in so proud a situation. That masculine en,e'f!„
Which the enemy.adrnitted we possessed never snow";
so conspictious, our resources• were iticreastuge.l
proportion of the eopulatioLe..o
were not only nut overwhelMed, but the populau,,u„.,
as it were was hardened iintiarr impenetrable Mbutilt
tary mass, which was not only irres.)st!ble'
should an invachog enemy ever ettempt these soOr
would
.be found, inVincible. The, Noble, Lora c.
chided With moving his firSt resolution,.
paran .ve
the
General GASCOIGNE entered into a -corn
view of the payoff Officers in the year t6ss and Ti
present tithe, and showed that:tire pay was "Ctljathe ,
gteater then than it ig now, notwitlistauding
great increase iii the price of
General also eodiplained. very much of the atrars.r.a
the pay, and adverted to the Propriety of Illak'f-7
some allowance. to the% Officers of the avoY-
every: ;31 tick. 11:f

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upon which he visited to make some observali°%
and in which he thought sown alterations opgiv.
take place.' He Adverte.d to the mode of porclosil
cavalry horses when young, and to the blatilttY-%
the ,wagg, • train. He also stated that an usekS
e 0613
experice hatfbeen incurred:by the MAIM Fl,e5P:
the City- and Tower Hamlets Militia. He CO
plained..of the•Statf appeintments, and adverted Pat.
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ri'''' not to sa'd that Government had=heen inat-
\ ‘:',..-.v7 tc,,a.y of the points referred to by his Noble
‘-‘l' who poke last. It was. no doubt the easiest
\'''))'; in tadiT to • produce, economy, .to do entirely
' 'llY' suc'h 1 arts of a system' -as seemed to require
'b
i 4 4 •
1 ''gment ; 'but he conceived that ought -
401 - wit h t aution
Lnt'd G. L..Gowsa explained.- ''•' .. of.
t`(leneral ARLETO, alluding to an observation
• NblT ISTe Lord (G. L; Gower), asked wby he sheuld.
ssha.ned to hold a-situation atter having been i 34
Yat's in the service ? He had been second in comi
iti',46,d hi -Ireland, and after gaining the good- will o
k), itiliabitant4, had been Sent into inactivity, theiteo-
S); as ht conceived it, b ilia disgraced, and sent
eria.
tc,11:‘,!1.,• HusicassoNT expresced the reluctance
,which
-*.-11 - ''' - - . • the presence of
i ,t 1 addressing the Hou,s-- In
tt ):I.nY Mnbers who Were much more coMpe-..
ial---to discuss the subject than inmself,---a refuel;
title" creased. by the becessity under which he felt
.
i,;11 self to differ in some points, from his Right Hon:
this nd• Hetrusied;howeyp• r, that notwithstanding
Li 7 l'rtiAi difference of opinioa, the sincerity: ? t..
res attachment to his' Right Ben. Friend would
to umlueStioned. ' Doing every possible. justice..
Ithoe.stataeteau3biiity displayed by the Noble • 1-." rd .'n
ent which he had that evening made, he ,
4infessed that in that statenteet the we* somewhat wr.PPo:iitd as it did not realize all the expectations
i
dim" Ite had entertained. ' He bad na difficu ty
inst*rlY to declare that he considered a diminution
84bOlat aiLitary expenditUre essetitial if not indispe-s
he ~Ltn the existence.Of the country. .l'o prove tie.,,.
sit -c'uld eater into a consideration oft he Commercial
cotiation c ,
i °. tile Conatry. Afters statement ,of th
he ttill'olis_anv,e annual exenditure for several years past,-
Iti i r -ee`tel to-detail-the amount of the taxatioin.
t 7 782 the ahnual taxes' were 'tea millions. n
a 42
the
Y were fifteen . millions. In 180 I
sitilz°ll9te(i to I
it„ thirty millions, and in 1809, they were
they•
a sixty
nt",tons. It -appeared, therefore, that the'
twrn°-ttitt °I the taxes was six times', what it was
teeen-;'''se'ren years ago, lour times what it was six-
t''' n 'lt'ars ago, and double what it was ; eight years
atl(?), '0 taxation, However, as to every thing else,
se,,;'"l4s allow that there were. limits. Toe pre
car-rie,Lt,es. on consumption
,were, he resumed,p
dirto-y " far as they could well be carried.
increase,
alum' taes would perhaps admit of some
to "Nit they were nine times as
t0tt,,93. Still; if the -great as they were
diaictritipesresent expenditure were
i
- ech,-,l4ed, ' our must multiply, and le
cotli,'iived that ' the greatest danger to which the
Th -ii,Y was exposed, Was a failure in its tivances..-7
of e best
mode of counteracting evil, as in the affairs
torLyrtrate individual, was not to shrink trom te
1Y .--41Plati°11 of the danger, but to took it bold-
oni7lieabs to avert it.
bealit':the lace. for the purpose of adopting 'be
In ibis point of view, it i
tes4i be well'to inquire whether any tonventences !
theut.:4l,g IrOin a reduction' of our tniiitary establish-
the
rlf—qtn not be more than.ceumer- balanced by
tuell'alancial advantages that wou.d accrue froitu
kade a vedodion. '..ln bupilort -of this opinion, he
(litter-- a cdnlParison of the various amount;
toot
ttil:
Prese,T,lt :arm) estimates from the year 180.
' ticki ' farm)
At the present time the satue_prepd;aas-
expeet°ntinued that Was. made when 'the enemy
arnol,ed on our shores from week 'to week. In the
tnal-,-.1,4' uf the 'Staff this was peculiarly to be re.
Rant 7- 1., 1801, when the French threatenedin.
Rene Ir. 1: vasi 0 n , and when Iluonaparte had another
for
'n contend With; the whole expence Of the
a°l' it as 85,0001. This year, when the necessity
2861,is Certainly 110 t so great, it amounted to
lire:;7l. The whole of' our regular force at the
to ei; nionient was about 270,000 men. Allow-
-180 cLeostitird to be inetreatlal, there would remain-
ul.tii3()l,-° regular troops for the dektice of the
400 n' With the-Militia, the Local Militia, &c.
tian'nZirnen might immediately' be called into ac.
vas 0,,, When the usual force of 'the country
'4tl elel;is'dered, and the 'various obstacles with which
v,asiorle 7437 w°tlld have to contend in an attempt at in-
iurce" 'z" "PPeared. to him that a great part of this.
caurittll'ght be dipensed with, and the security, of the
,t,:' whr,),.hrem,„ ain undiminished. There was •
one point moo f.-4 ne wished Particularly' to Call the atteu-
totlio,, the EXecutie Government. He did not wish
tiut cro,,w out-any invidious imputation; but he did
l'ere,-„"e,eive that the different military departments
tlepa ""iently superintended. The effOrts of each
ilietortrnti"ct were carried beyond the necessity for
owner, de-
n ''' in building a 'mansion, the
_,
kripft,„anY Plan, left his wortmen of every ue-
°l scant, to follow each his own idea of strength,
tli4ent-Y, or usefulness, his materials would prove -
Inent and 1 •
edifice become disproportion-
-I,N ~? his ,
illustration, lie
• ae cavalry, for the sake of
oak a
.•}:thef PYla4neZesdi‘ilee.rrnabile 'redttaion might be made.
-lil- 11 '35: buying horses at two ears was
fUr by the "titue they were
°lte °it service, their keepieg would cost at least.
tiill:ena d
cl re': and fifty pounds. It had been de-
41' hi 1,-
iti ' gh military authorities that ie case. of
.
kri
oVfasioil
I it would probably take place in a
ate °f
The the country in which cavalry could not
lqedL su.perahundance of the. cavalry was coo-
l‘v • uY the Noble Lord in his admission that it
1,,, 11111)ra6iicabiC to procure horses for them all*
ilqiie wh° were not mounted must necessarily- be
at'°ltledielit:t. were
(Mr. H.) wished that the cavalry
(twei * " reduced from their piesent 'number
• 14).11)16%4 thousand) to 'the number in. which
ceettectOhsereatious
:iflle tjtjuld 'be kept in an efficient state. After
on the Manx Fencibles, he pro-
'trili t° Particularize the excess of the Staff in Great
'`,:train
,In Scotland-there were 't t „Generals to
ltr'et.•,,''' 1 r,ooo' men, Nor was' he aware of the
t..0114ty• for .
any Staff in the Middlesex dis.trict,
`ltlar(J:n, as he. did, that the large'Staffat head-
t,trint of- shit be amply sufficiek for the govern-
.. 44 '-.11 diStilet• Adverting to the dissatisfaifuion
-, esaea ,
‘'t: herd' ' Ll:a gallant General at the situation which
• ~:,ssea- „!' a•Corritnander of a District, lie con-
: 4(Tht :tat, he thought - his - Majesty's Govern-
t'ice‘h -ngitt to relieYe that g.allant. General froth
tairi, al Provbeation. With resped to the waggon '144. .'c agreed entirely with that gallant Ge-
ainto;,stit his opinion of them. - They • were an
hot,,e'ttlei! :in foreign ' .service, and useless at:
' t4e t,',. -''Atitr stating various other modes in which
, 'lvaili';l,t'll.,.).' el 4P"~--kditure of the. country might be
1;Q:•,. „ ..,'-oki'2,iy " eurtaileel, lie obserVed, that some
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that, the suggestions whiCp. he
*.ii; - 0 oat. wire the reSult of sons" political..
cr slid that other-Migh-t think, that if he enter-
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tam ed those opinions formerly, he-ought formeey,
to bpi expressed them in the Hous e. The opinions ;
which..he had, just stated, he 'had always enter-
tained ; but when in office he had consider. d it
his duty. to'.state them .only to his superiors, con-
vitice-i as. he was thatthe revision and retrenchment
which appeared ..to him so desirable could. be effe4t-
ed by the Executive Government alone. Burma-
parte had, in a late public document, anticipated an
,existence of 30 years. He (Mr: H,.)- was an'xious
that every means should be. adopted to enable 'cleat
Britain, to maintain the contest fOr that period, if•ne-
cessary, and thus to preserve bad secure her rude-
prudence., • .
Mr.-WINDHAM spoke in favour of retrencliThent „
in the public expenzlinre. _
"Sir. ROSE cone 'red with: the Ricrlit-.ll.;arituable
•Qentlenyin who spoke last, in his notions ut eco-
nonly, but contended that it required a. judicious
and delicate hand to prune, or curtail the public
expenditure, •without injuring the, vital strength of
• the country. He er4ered.' on
,an able defence of
those to whom this part 9f the public expenditure
bad been entrusted, and deduced, from contrasting •
the estimates of the .present- year, with those of
former years, than from the arrangements
,recently
adopted -and devised, there had not been a 'filitliing
unnecessarily or improvidently spent.
Mr. Secretary RYDER pointed out various eco-
nomical
regulations. which have taken .pface-in the
organization of that part of the national force called
the Loral Militia, since last year, and .rnest satis-
faaorily convinced the Committee, that the ex.-
pence of that force, which atneuhted to soiktu-
thing more than one million per annum, was now .
reduced, by the. arrangements' alluded to, to less
than 800,0001.
1 Mr. P. Mooaa said a few words..

Lord TEMPLE asked what security would be given
to the country.by thepersons who hail accepted ap-
poiniments uizder the .newly-regUlated Medical
Staff, for the performance of their 'duties ? anthse-
cont:ly, Whethei those who constitu ed_t he Medical.:
Board, and those whose.coudgEt had been so inju-
rious to the public service, were suffered to retire
on their full pay ?
• The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, be
could not but be dispostelto find some fault with :
the abruptness of the Noble Lord's imerroga-
lions to his Noble Friend, who could hardly be
expeeted at that precise moment to give, distind
answers. As far, however, as it was in his (Mr.
Perceval's) own power, he .would satisfy the Noble
Lord. The first of the Noble Lord's quest:lol,s waa
certainly a very, singular one. ." What kind of se-
curity," he asked, " would the Noble Lord require
of Oche persons who composed the Medical. Staff,
for the performance of their duty ?" For his own
part, .he could only say, that every attention would
be paid to the seleCtion of such persons only as
were of approved experience, and scientific know-
ledge in their profession, to fill the situations,
and this was - all that could be expeCted of
those to whom the appointment of such persons
should be entrusted. With resped to the ether
question; all he had to say was, that the conduEt
ofbis Majesty's Exectstive Govt-sitc.-ent in,
sale par-
ticular alluded to, was • guided. by long estabiished
regulations of the then existing Medical Board, and
Government did tnink it would have been rather

hard to turn persons adrift upon the world, without
some reward for. past se: 'ices ".

Mr. IVAauLF. took a view olmany of the iitems
in the estimate before the Committie, almost all.of
which had occupied his consideration before in the
last Session ; and concluded by expressing a fervent
hope that the Coinmittee would make a stand
:against some of the most oppres;iVe. '
Sir JAMES PULTENEY repred to the. last speaker
at some length, and represented to the Committee
in the most satitactory terms, (hat many of the abuses
of which he complained, were actually reformed, or
in a state of reformation. '

Me. PAIttsTEL spoke against the Estimate relating
to the Waggon Train in Ireland.
Lord MAHON supportod the resolution. •
After an alle reply from Lord PALAERSTONE, nod
a few observations from" Mr. BANKES, the questfon
was put, and the resolution carried in the affirma-
tive.. The other resolutions being unanimously
Agreed to, the House resumed, and the Report was
brought up, and ordered to be received this day.

WAYS AND MEANS.
The House having resolved into a Committee of
Ways and Means, voted • the War and ,-Property
Taxes for the current year.—Report brought up, and
ordered, w be received this day.
•
Adjourned at half-past Two.

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No further official accounts lave been received
from Spain, but reports have reached this country
of. a favourable nature.- It stated that a-Vessel,
the Heekr, has arrived at Liverpool from Tarragona,
the Captain _of which reports, that the i''rench
had.sustained a severe &feat in Catalonia, and that
it was generally, believed that the Spaniards had
taken ISarcelona. We give this report as it reached
us, but we confesS we. do not attach much credit to
the- la. ter part of it.

Letters from Lisbon state, that the British troops
that sailed' for Cadiz, amounted to 2500, besides a
Portuguese regiment.,

A vessel: has arrived from Caen, the Master of
which . reports, that the rejoicings which have
recently taken place in France, were in conseqfiepce
of the .French hiving entered Cadiz, land driven
-away the English squadron.