The Sun.
London, England, 1845-05-10 00:00:00

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promote the social and religious peace of WO
was to make the institutions of the country har-
monise with the religious feelings of the pecple..
No nation in Europe was so deficient of academical institu •
tio• s ae Ite!atirt. Holland had a rpu?ation nearly equal tee
Ireland, and she had three universities ; Prussia, with a po-
pelation of thirteen and a half millions, had eight univer-
sities ; Bavaria, with a population nearly four millions, had
three institutions of this kind; in France there was one uni-
versity to cv. ry million and a lia:f of the population; while
It-el:n.l had only one to eight mil:ions. There ought to be at • •
least five or six instead of one for such a population as Ireland.
He was persuaded that many of the evils of Ireland had
arisen irom the want of education, and hence the Govern-
ment proposition should have his hearty support. It shoed&
command his warmest support, as he looked upon it as sv-
measure well calculated to improve the condition of Ireland.
Mr. ACLAND rose to defend the lion. Member for the
University of Oxford; (Sir Robert Inglis) from the attacks
blame
the Ger.
which had been made upon him by the Hon. Member for
Bath. He o.lr. Acland) was willing to take his share'
ref theattached
evtnoenthils,ropßoisgithiten Hasona.
gFigraienntdi;
in iiis charging
scheme of Godless education." He was not prepared to adopt,
the words his of Hon. Friend, but in the spirit he was agreed.
He believed the Government were perfectly honest in the plan
which they had brought forward, for he had never seen reason
to think them otherwise in any part of conduct,
their general
but he regretted that they had not paid more attention to the'
religious feeling; of the country, and acted less in a liberal and
latitudinarian
decided opinion on the measure, but he promised to give it his'
patient attention and consideration. He sympathised more
with the seund and practical views that had been expressed by
the Roman Catholic members who had spoken on the question,
than in the liberal views of the other supporters of the mea-
sure. He doubted the • soundness of the principle of educating
students of different religious persuasions together in one semi-
nary,
and was of opinion that inore good would be done by
each religious persuasion havirg a collage of its own. He.
was further of opinion that a system of mere lectures like that
proposed coal scarcely be considered education, but vroulef
rather lead to what. ColerPge had nailed tt Lecture Bazaars,"'
an! do little towards the effectual ealucation of the people of
n-land.
Lord PALNIERSION said he was glad to find that the
Government had proposed the present measure is the spirit.
they had done, and, considering the state of Ireland, he did,
not think that they could proceed in any other way than that
which they did. It was objected that no professors were to
be appointed to teach certain theological opinions. Would
they establish one professorship 01 theology ? If one, was he
to be a Protestant professor? And if so. did they suppose that
the Roman Catholics would send their children to those col-
lege's?—( Hear, hear. ) If the professor of theology was to be
a Reiman (athol c, did they suppose that the Pretestan s t , en
the other hand, would send their children there?—(Hear,
heat.) Would they have professors of both religions?
If so, what became of thesystem of mixed education.— ( Hear. )
'that would defeat the design of cementing the two religions br
relations of mutual harmony, which was the object of the
measure. ( Hear. ) A theological civil war would be estab-
lished in those colleges and universities, instead of their be- '
coming, as was expected, the foundation of religious peace.--
(La,ighter. ) There is no other alternative but that there.
should be no theological profe,,sor of one creed er the other, •
but that both parties should receive theological instruction in
academies exclusively devoted to theological purposes. That •
was the only mode in which they could proceed unless
they could have the students lodged and housed to-
gether, as in Oxford and Cambridge, but such a
system would entail such an amount of expenditure that it
weuldbe out of the qlsestion to think that Parliament would -
incur it.—( Hear, hear.) He had himself experience of both
systems, because he was three years at the university of Edin-
burgh, where the same system was adopted which would. be
adopted in respect of the Lash colleges ; anti he afterwards went
to Cambridge, where a different system was pursued. And
when persons talked of those colleges not having a theological -
chair, he would appeal to the Right lion. Gentleman opposite •
the Chancellor of the Exchequer, who was with him (Lord
Palmerston) in Cambridge, to have the goodness to explain to .
tiie House is hat was:the kind of theological education which in
their time was given at Cambrii!ge.—( Hear, hear, and a laugh.)
Why it was well known that those who, from the accident of
their birth, were entitled to the degree of M.A. at a certain
age, were not examined in theology. If that was so, it scat
taking somewhat too large a I betty with expressions to heir •
nate those colleges theological schools, standing in that respect
on the same footing as Cambridge. He, therefore,'
thought that. Government adopted toe only plan which
was applicable to the peculiar circumstances of Ireland.
anti he hailed it as the foundation, first of all, of the great moral
improvement. in the middle classes of the Irish people, and as the
foundation of social concord between the members of the diffe-
rent creeds who composed the population of that country.-
But he agreed with those who thought that this was only the
foundation of a more complete plan. He thought either that .
the three colleges shoull be united in one university in Dublin,
or that Trinity College should be thrown open to all classes,
which he thought might be done without losing its distinctive
character as an exclusively Protestant college.—(Laughter.) •
The present measure would be incomplete unless at was
combined with some arrangement of this kind.—( Hear, bear.)
It would be a matter of regret to him if this measure should
meet with any considerable opposition. It was not like the
Maynooth grant, where certatn religious objections might be
urged against it, but it was a measure which had for its
object the education and instruction of the Catholic laity of Ire-
land, and if it met with any material opposition, he thought the
effect it would produce upon the minds of the Irish people
would be most injurious to this country.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER wished to put
the Noble Lord right with regard to one of his statements
which was riot quite so correct as the Noble Lord appeared to
think. The Noble Lord had stated that at the University of .
Cambridge no theological examination took place in the case
of students who did not propose taking holy orders, but so far
from this being the case, he could assure the Noble Lord that
in every instance students were examined upon portions of the.
Gospel.
Mr. WARBURTON remembered that, at all events, theo-
logical examination, except in the case of students who in.
tended taking holy orders, was not considered of much import.
ante at Cambridge.
Mr. T. DUNCOMBE said he had felt it to be his duty to
oppose the Government on the Maynooth grant, because be was
averse to all connexion between Church and State. This mea-
sure, however, was solely of an educational character, and us
it appeared to him highly calculated to benefit, all classes oldie
Irish people, he should give the Government his hearty
support.—Leave was then given to bring in the BilL
SUPPLY.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved that
the Speaker do leave the chair for the House going into a Com-
mittee of Supply.
Mr. T. DUNCOMBE rose with a view of shortly calling thee.
attention of the House to the petition of Eliza Price, which
he presented yesterday, and which was printed with the votes
that morning. He had since made inquiries into the &Bev..
Cons contained is the petition, and he regretted to say that
they were substantially correct. The Hon. Member then re- -
pealed the circumstances of the petition, which have already
appeared in The Sun, and concluded by moving as an amend-
ment to the motion of the Chancellor of the Exchequer, that
the petition be referred to a Select Committee. The Select
Committee having power to report their opinion and the evi.
desire to the House.
Sir JAMES GRAHAM said that, in consequence of the
notice which he had already received from the Hon. Gentle-
man opposite, he instituted an inquiry into the case, and he
found that the all gations which were made turned out to be
partl a true. It was highly improper in the magistrate to issue
a warrant when the proper course would be to issue a sum-
mons. At all events. he thought the offence was a bailable
one, asd he did not think that issuing a warrant was
a proper course. The statement of the petition and
the statement of the magistrate were entirely at variance,
and he thought that the matter ought not to be al-
lowed to rest as it was. Further inquiry was necessary.
thought that the lion. Gentleman and others, from what had
been stated, would think it highly inexpedient to prosecute the
matter further in the House.
Mr. WAKLEY said that he should be glad to bear the
answer from Mr. Briscoe, the magistrate, to the Right Hon.
Gentleman opposite. The brutal conduct of the informer was
owing to the misconduct of the magistrate, when be refused to
act on the request of the woman, an assault having been com-
mitted in his presence, but at the request of ttiee informer Holt
issued a warrant for the woman's apprehens
isuchcoa conduct
conceive a more gross case, and if they allowed
on the part of the magistrate what would they have from a
constable? It the allegations of the woman were correct, be
main on
thought that the magistrate should not be allowed to re •
the Bench. stated that further in.
Mr. DUNCOMBE—As it had been
quiry would be instituted,
he begged leave to withdraw
the
amendment which he had prooosed.
THE MEDICAL BILL.
Mr. WAKLEY said that, in consequence of a statement
made the other night,
he would ask the Right Hon. Baronet
if tie would say that the Committee of the National Associa.,
tion had been informed of the terms on which the incorpora-
tion would be connected with his measures in the Bill, and
whether he had their consent to these provisions ?
Sir J. GRAHAM did not understand the question.
Mr. WAKLEY then repeated it.
Sir J. GRAHAM said that he did net recollect making the
statement to which the Hon. Member referred. If the Hon.
Gentleman would put it in a form in which he could under-
stand it, he would answer it.
Mr. WAKLEY said he thought the question was clearly'
put on both occasions. If the Right Hon. Gentleman would .
state that the charter of incorporation would not be executed
soon, he would not say anything about it.
The House then went into Committee of Supply, and voted
a SIM of 50,000/. on account for the public service.
The House then resumed, and the other orders of the day
were then disposed of, and the House adjourned at half past
Twelve o'clock.