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FACTORIES BILL.

Lord HATHERTON presented a petition, signed by
the heads of eight firms in the iron trade, in Stafford-
shire, in which upwards of 5,000 men were employed,
praying that no limitation in the hours of labour should
be enacted by their Lordships, but that the work people
might be allowed to exercise their own discretion. He
concurred in the prayer of the petition.
Lord BROUGHAM, after a few remarks upon the
truck system, again deprecated any restriction of the
hours of labour ; for, he said, if legislative interference
was necessary, he should rather exert it against the ca-
pital of the large manufacturer than against the labour
of the artisan. _ _

Lord BROWNLOW thought it would be much better
if they were to defer any discussion upon the subject of
the Factories Bill until it came regularly before their
Lordships.
The Bishop of LONDON presented several petitions
from Presbyterian ministers and congregations in the
north of Ireland, in connection with the General As-
sembly, against the Dissenters' Chapels Bill.
The Duke of RICHMOND presented a number of
petitions from places in the county of Ross, against any
alteration in the corn-laws.
BHURTPORE.
The Marquis of NORMANBY, after presenting a
petition from a Presbyterian congregation in the north
of Ireland in favour of the Dissenters' Chapels Bill, gave
notice, that on Monday ho should ask the Noble Lord at
the head of the Board of Control if any further extracts
or communications had been received from the Gover-
nor-General of India respecting the treaty of Bhurtpore

THE IRISH POOR-LAW.
The "Marquis of CLANRICARDE wished to ask L.
Noble Duke opposite whether it was the intention of her
Majesty's Government to propose -any alteration in the
Irish Poor•law Act ?
The Duke of WELLINGTON, who spoke very indis-
tinctly, said a report had been received from the Com-
missioners appointed to inquire into this subject, and
that, after consideration, it had been sent back to them
to make certain emendations. The report would soon
be laid upon the table of their Lordships' House, and
until such information was before them he thought it
would be better to defer framing any legislative measure.
If they thought it would be better to appoint.a Com-
mission, be, for one; had no objection to such a course.
The Marquis of CLANRICARDE, from what had

fallen from the Noble Duke, supposed that there war,
no intention to make any alteration.
The Duke of WELLINGTON said, what he stated
was that he thought it best to defer any measure until
they should have had time to consider the report.
The Marquis of NORMANBY said he wished to call
the attention of their Lordships to one point, which, in
the present state of Ireland was one of vast importance.
He alluded to the manner in which the juries empannelled
at the last assizes of the county Monaghan had been con-
stituted in the Queen v. Hanlon, and others. In
that part of Ireland this matter had excited
the greatest dissatisfaction, because a feeling
prevailed there that many of the jurors had
been struck off because they were Roman Catholics,
and certainly he thought that there were certain circum-
stances which were calculated to excite those suspicions.
Many of the jurors, whose names had been struck off the
panel were most respectable, and not the slightest impu-
tation could be cast upon their character which justified
their names in being removed.
Lord WHARNCLIFFE said he held in his hand a
letter from the Crown solicitor, in which this matter was
fully explained, and which completely proved that no
man was removed on account of his politics or religion,
but the fact was, that all those names which had been
struck off the panel were either relations, near neigh-
bours of the traversers, or were in some way
or another unfitted for acting as jurors. The
first name which had been set aside by the
Crown solicitor was the son of a person whose
father had been tried at Armagh for Ribbonism
—the very crime of which the traversers were accused ;
another was a near relation of ore of the prisoners, and
a third was a neighbour of another.
Lord CAMPBELL gave the Government credit for
every good intention, but still he was not at all satisfied
with the explanation rendered by the Noble Lord the
President of the Council. He thought the slightest
suspicion of partiality, on account of religion, should not
be allowed to remain upon the public mind.
After a few words from the Earl of Wicklow, Lord
. Wharncliffe, and the Marquis of Clanricarde, the House
adjourned at Seven o'Clock.

HOUSE OF COMMONS, April 23.
MR. FERR AND'S ACCUSATIONS.

Lord JOHN RUSSELL said he had no objection to
offer to the adjournment of this discussion, and he quite
agreed with the Right Hon. Gentlemen, that it was ex
tremely desirable to take time to form a deliberate
opinion on a subject of this nature. At the same time
he had no hesitation to state at once what was his im-
pression. It was to have been expected that the Hon Gen-
tleman would that day have either repeated his charges or
have withdrawn and retracted those charges.—(Hear.)

He had taken neither course, and he had fled from the
charge without abandoning it.—(Hear, hear.) The
Hon. Member for Beverley, very naturally, in this state
of things, asked the House to interpose. He understood
him most distinctly to ask the House to interpose on this
subject, after the statements which had been made.
He added, most truly, that he was not the
person to bring this subject forward ; that so
far as it depended upon him, it might have
rested ; but that having been brought forward,
he could not .rest satisfied unless the House pro-
nounced some opinion upon it. He thought the demand
a most fair one. The Hon. Gentleman stood in a posi-
tion of great importance, and every one who filled the
situation of Chairman of an Election Committee was in-
volved in the question, whether the House would not
think it necessary to protect Members in that situation
against charges thus lightly made, and thus apparently,
but not fairly and honestly, abandoned. With respect to
the course (continued the Noble Lord) which we are called
on to adopt with regard to the Hon. and Learned Gentle-
man, the Member for Beverley, I think that that course
does not admit of any difficulty. The Hon. and Learned
Gentleman has read from a newspaper an extract of a
speech made by the Hon. Member for Knaresborough.
We have heard the Hon. Member fer Knaresborough
state that that report is correct. I think, therefore,
with all due deference to other Hon. Members, and more
especially to you, Sir, that if the Hon. and Learned Gen-
tleman to-morrow put in that newspaper, and has
the passage read, that the House of Commons
then come to a resolution to the effect that
an Honourable Member of this House, mentioning, of
course, the name of Mr. Ferrand, had acknowledged
himself to be the author of the speech produced, and
that the House is of opinion that the charge contained
in that speech against another Honourable Member of
this House, is a false and calumnious charge.—(Cheers.)
I, for One, am prepared to take that course—(Loud
cheers.) If there is any one who, as the Honourable and
Learned Gentleman says, imagines that, for one moment,
there can be any doubt on this subject—if there is any one
who thinks that the Hon. Gentleman, in the discharge
of his duty, for one moment considered what course
it would be desirable for him to pursue in order to please
a Minister of the Crown—or that there is the slightest
particle of evidence to show that, in the execution of his
duties as a Chairman of a Committee, he in the slightest
degree permitted himself to be controlled by the Go-
vernment—if any :one entertained any doubt upon the
subject—it would be perfectly competent for that Hon.
Member to give expression to his opinions. For myself, I
have not the smallest doubt on the subject. I think that
after the assertion of such a charge, and after such a
contradiction has been given to it, such a resolution of
the House as that to which I have alluded is due to the
Hon. and Learned Member against whom the charge
was brought, and also due to the character of the House.
--(Cheers.) The case of the Right Hon. Gentleman
is so far different, that he has not asked for the opi-
nion of the House. Ido not understand him to say that
he thinks it necessary to call in his case fur any decision
of the House. At the same time my opinion is, that
after the manner in which this matter has been stated,
some mode should be adopted by which an lion. Mems
ber in his place, imputing to a Minister of the Crown
that he had procured a false report to be made by an
officer under his direction, for the purpose of bringing
charges against a Member of that House, was an utterly
groundless charge.—(Cheers.) The Right Hon. Gentle.•
man himself does not make any formal complaint.
I think it necessary that we should see
what resolution the House has come to on such subjects
on former occasions, when it has been thought neces-
sary to come to resolutions on the subject of the con-
duct of Members of the House. The last case in which
any resolutions of this description were come to, was
in the case of Mr. O'Connell, which stated that
all the Members serving on Election Committees had
been guilty of bribery. That was a general charge,
which I thought the House would have done well not
to notice. The House, however, differed from me in
opinion, and we have, therefore, a precedent on the
subject. I think that any general charge such as that
against all the Members composing Election Commit-
tees, ought not to be noticed; but it is different in the
case of a particular charge a specific accusation
brought against a particular Member, whether he be
holding an office under the Crown, or whether he
be entrusted with the discharge of important duties.
I am afraid that, on the one hand, if we invariably enter
into the general subjects of all imputations that may be
made upon the conduct of Members of this House, that
we should be involved in endless difficulties ; but, on the
-other hand, if we pass over such imputations as those
which have been avowed by a Member of this House
we should render ourselves liable to the imputation of
being indifferent to the character of this House.—
(Cheers.) I have thus stated, shortly, what my impres
sions are as to the course to be pursued, and if any bet-
ter course can be suggested to-morrow I shall be quite
ready to listen to it ; and I think it would be better now
to adjourn the question till to-morrow.
Lord STANLEY—I concur with the Noble Lord in
the propriety of the House not taking any course now
upon these extraordinary circumstances, for I believe
that there is no case in Parliamentary history which can
fairly be made the ground of precedent for the extraor-
dinary circumstance which has occurred this evening.
I do not believe that, with regard to the groundlessness
of the charge made either against my Right Hon. Friend
or my Hon. Friend, there is in this House the smallest
difference, or shade of difference, of opinion,—(Cheers.)
I do not believe that a man here does not believe—that he
does not feel confident not only' upon the charge
itself, but on the entire and absolute improbability of
proving them.—(Cheers.) But more than this, I be-
lieve that, at the time those charges were made, the
lion. Member who made them had not the slightest
ground for believing that they were true.—(Cheers.)
This being the case, the Member of this House repeat-
ing those calumnious charges in his place in this House,
is challenged to the proof of those charges, and with an
appearance of boldness, comes down to this House on
the following day pledged, as far as he can be pledged,
to substantiate those charges in the presence of that
tribunal to which the accuse had appealed, and before
which he himself, in duty bound, was compelled to sub-
stantiate his imputations. On 'his second appearance,
when the case was ready to be heard—when the tribunal
was ready to which an appeal had been made—what
course was taken by the Hon. Member for Knares-
borough ? It was this that, at the appearance of the
first outbreaking of that natural feeling excited on both
sides of the House, by the unjustifiable proceeding of the
Hon. Gentleman, he demurs to the authority of this tri-
bunal, and says that this assembly is not one to which
he would appeal, or ;which he would think qualified to
judge of the propriety of his conduct—that it was an
assembly between which and himself, he himself had
stated, there existed no sympathy of feeling—(Cheers)
—and adhering to the charge which he had made,
not only declines to substantiate it, but with-
draws, without allowing the accused themselves
to express their opinion and their indignation at the
gross and libellous matter which had been brought forth
by him. Now in this case what course is the House to
pursue ? I differ from the Noble Lord in thinking that
it entirely depends upon the feelings of the parties. The
Noble Lord draws a distinction between the case of my
Right Hon. Friend and the case of my Hun. Friend the
Member for Beverley. He said that the Hon. Member
for Beverley had appealed to the judgment and had ap-
pealed to the protectiun of this House, and that my
Right Hon. Friend did not do so. Now that is not the
question which the House bas to determine. It is not
with respect to the individual character of certain Mem-
bers alone that we have to decide—we are not to judge
by the indignation felt by one party or the contempt
which is shown by another. But it is for the House
to consider what course it will pursue for the mainten-
ance of its own character and its own hondur. But I
aw sure the Noble Lord'will see with me—(Lord John
Russell made some observations- across the table, which
induced Lord Stanley to sit down).
Lord J. RUSSELL then said—What I stated was,
that it made wane difference as to the form in which
the House should proceed. As to the case of the Hon.
Member for Beverley, that gentleman could put in the
newspaper and-have it read by the Clerk of the House,
as it was admitted by the Hon. Member for Knaves-
borough ; but he thought that in respect- to - his Right
Hon. Friend, who- was a Minister of the
_Crown for the
Home Department,"the form of proceeding should
--per-
haps be somewhat different. - - • "
Lord KAM= was glad thlsrt tho Fable PO NA

given the explanation, and stated the distinction' wilitre!
he had drawn; but he must say, that if they were to te^;
notice of the charge against one Member, and pass °Y e
'
the imputations which had been cast upcn another, el
would seem to give a sanction to the calumny. He
uld
only to repeat, that whatever course the House eu"b,
think proper to take in one case, they would take t,
same course with regard to the other charge brag,'
forward by the same individual under similar eirculn.
stances.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL had not proposed that I.,Llif't
ferent course should bo followed in the two cases. Pt,
he had suggested the direct course they
the case of the Hon. Member for Beverley. th
The SPEAKER said there was no question before
re
House ; but if the house wished to come to any
determination on the subject, he would recommetwo'np,
the newspaper, which had been admitted by the m,-,;
Member for Knaresborough, should be read by the et t
might take 1'
at the table, and then the House could consider 01'5

further was to be done. his
Mr. BLACKBURN wished to say a few words Chair.
,
occasion. On a former occasion, when he was. Gil
mm of' the Shaftesbury Committee, he had been foil2o
and calumniously assailed ; and he came before turf,
House to claim its support. His slanderers Ayer
shielded and protected by the Noble Lord the Men/the
for London, but he did receive support frotn,e.
Noble Lord the Member for North Lance-olio
He would advise the House then, seeing that tinie,::ri
to be given for reflection, to go back to the Shaftesual.:o,
case, and he trusted that, in the present instance, 1;0,
would show a little better feeling than they had in,l
Sir ROBERT PEEL trusted the advice for .e
which had been giv(n would at once be acted ortiiiis,
(Hear, hear.) The House wonid lose nothing by de•
but would be in a much better position than now W
cide upon the course that ought to be pursued. the
Sir R. INGLIS rose, but the rush of Members W foe
door prevented him from being heard, aid, in tfell
seconds, the benches of the House were compersi""
ti
empty.
CONVOCATION OF THE CLERGY'. to.
Mr. P. BORTHWICK rose for the purpose of
posing the following motion for an " address to her, used
jesty, praying that her Majesty will be graciously per
to afford to Parliament, in all matters ecclesiasti..ea"
advice and assistance of the clergy in convecen°ll;ent
sembled, according to the Constitution and the allc,;oe
usage of the realm." The Hon. Member was for noise
minutes unable to proceed in consequence of the of
of
from Members quitting the House. Some degs Tle
quiet having been restored, the Hon. Gentleman stinse
must claim the indulgence and forbearance of the Thiel
'on the present occasion. The circumstances under vi.ces
he addressed the House, added to the disadvanwficeit
which surrounded the subject he had to submit W ost
consideration. That subject was no less than th,e,„4
cherished rights and liberties, which it was their pll,"; nn
privilege to,defend at the present time, and tranew,
of
impaired to posterity. Yet to the greater numbenttle
those whom he was then addressing, in
more than the name of the institution•oo.o,
favour of which he was speaking, was Illintber
This was not a question of theology; if it were,
place would have been the most proper for brinFOoti
forward. It would be well to know what a :eonfroat
of the clergy was, what was its character, en Chris'
were its uses. At the original introduction of '-froo
tirinity into the country, the bishops of the diocesep the
time to time collected the clergy to consult thew
affairs of the Church. All matters of doctrine 'an f the
cipline, and all matters relating to the efficieneY of
Church were discussed in those synods. In the coo
of time those convocations were divided into tvvo"viose
of York and Canterbury. The Crown applied W oblio
convocations in order to obtain supplies for the in the
service, they having the power of self-taxation.. .0 0P
year 1664, it was agreed that the clergy should,githero
their privilege of self-taxation, and since that ti_netpe tber'
was a singular want of care in calling that bodyhem'
The convocation of the clergy at a time when pro;
bers shed their blood in defence of their rign';sl'.
ceeded steadily in a course of action to which vier-ost'"
at the present day, the salvation of the Englis,ll:h
tution from the tyranny and oppression 1"1-10115''
brought to bear upon it. As a Member of that pull
he was called on to legislate upon the subjeetcj roorttli
education, and therefore he wished to have the
nity of those standing council to the realnli w be/,
been provided by-the Constitution, and who 100
-able to inforna him as to the proper mode of 18&
on so important a subject. ol'
An Horr. MEMBER moved that the House be c'"aill
and, there being only twenty-seven Members Pori
the House adjourned, at Seven o'Clock, until Urni

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