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FIOUSi GP LORDS, July :18.
Their Lordships met at Five o'clock. •N• - ,
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Several Bills were brought up fi om the House of Comp:Puss%
WEST LONDON RAILWAY EXTENSION.t"- "
Lord 13ROUGHANI reported tl at the Select Committee on
the West London Railway Extension and Lease Bill had found
that the standing orders had been complied with, and they
had agreed to the Bill with some immaterial amenements.
STATE OF THE COUNTY OF LEITRIM.
The Marquis of CLANRICARDE presented a petition from
the magistrates and others of the county of Leitrim, setting
forth the state of that county, and praying their Lordships to
adopt some steps to improve that condition. The petitioners
suggested that the best remedy which cauld be applied to the
evil was to extend the law which at present granted compen-
sation to a particular description of property when the pro-
perty should be maliciouly injured, to all descriptions of
property, and also to injuries upon the person. Having
presented that petition, he would proceed to put the question
of which he had given notice, relative to the conduct of Mr.
Watson, a Magistrate and a Deputy-Lieutenant of the
county of Leitrim. It would appear that, on the 22d of
June, a meeting, attended by 300 Masters of Orange Lodges,
was held in the town of Lisburn, whith meeting was pre-
sided over by Mr. Wilson. At that meeting tl.e following
resolutions, which were signed by Mr. Watson, were passed.
The first resolution stated that the meeting deemed it essential
to take immediate steps to reorganize the Orange institutions
of the county, and the second stated that inasmuch as that
unjust measure entitled the Anti-prom ssions Act was about to
expire, all the Orange members of the county be re-
quested to attend the forthcoming anniversary of the Boyne.
He had received a letter from the Noble Marquis

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at the tab!e ( the Marquis of Londonders y), in
which he deprecated the conduct pursued by that
gentleman. He therefore wished to know whether the Go-
vernment had taken notice of his conduct, and had dismi:4ed

him from It.e commis,;;;nitheiaace ? it they had not, and
had behaved to him with leniency, they had acted incon latently,
as t'r.ey had pursued a more illiberal line of conduct towards
another great political party in Ireland. If they had not made
inquiry into the circumstances he had detailed, the
cry might fairly be raised that justice had not been fairly
meeted out to Ireland. He wished to know if any steps had
been taken in con-equence of the meeting over which Mr.
Watson presided at Lisburn, on the 20th of July ?
Lord STANLEY regretted that the Noble Marquis had not
simply asked his question, and explained the object of
it, without entering into the state of the county.
Her Majesty's Government had seen with regret and with
considerable disappointment, that through a great part of
Ireland the members of Orange Societies had been so
reckless in their proceedings as to neglect the cautions
which had been given to them by those who ought
to be entitled to their confidence and esteem. As long
as both the great political parties in Ireland continued to fo-
ment disturbances it was quite impossible that country could be
in a happy or prosperous state. The blame which attached to
many processions ought not to be attributed to one
party to the exclusion of another equally to
blame.—(Hear, hear.) With regard to the conduct of
the person complained of, if the facts were found as they were
represented, her Majesty's Government would deeply regret
that a gentleman, occupying a high station in Ireland, should
have been so misguided and so misled as to lend his name and
his character--and the higher the character the greater the evil
—to the meeting in question. He would not say, however, that
the matter had been left untouched by the Government, for the
Lord Lieu•enant of Ireland had been in communication

with his Noble Friend the Secretary of State on the
subject. The question as to how he should be dealt
with, he ( Lord Stanley) was not prepared to
say. He trusted that the Noble Marquis would not call upon
him to declare the result of that communication ; but this he
would say, that the Government would treat the matter with the
greatest impartiality.
The Marquis of LONDONDERRY wished to say a few
words on the subject, as he had been alluded to by the Noble
Marquis. With regard to the character of the individual whose
conduct was called in question, he had nohesitation in saying that
up to the present time that individual hadconducted himself with
the greatest pro; riety. For his own part, he had urged upon
the Orangemen of Ireland to refrain from those processions,
and he thought that the great majority of the Orangemen of
Ireland had taken no part in them. He thought that any
severe measures :with regard to him would be productive of
more harm than good in that part of Ireland. Aud the eloquent
speech of the Noble Lord (Stanley) would have, a better elect
than even the dismissal of that venerable person.
A message was brought up from the Commons.
RAILWAYS. _ _ _

Lord BROUGHAM presented 16 petitions (which made
161 altogether) against the Cornwall Railway Bill. The
Noble Lord took the opportunity of moving the Standing
Order, which he had postponed till this evening.
After a few words from Lord CAMPBELL, it was read
ro forma the first time as a Bill.
AFFAIRS OF SYRIA.

Lord BEAUMONT said, in compliance with a notice which
he gave yesterday, he begged leave to move an humble address
to her Majesty, praying that she will be graciously pleased to
lay before their Lordships' House certain papers and
correspondence relating to recent events in Syria. The
object he had in view was to have a continuance
of the correspondence on the same subject laid before their
Lordships in 1841, in order that their Lordships might be
enabled to judge of the important question of the Levant,
which had at one time threatened the peace of Europe, and
which now was the cause of constant recrimination between
England and France. The outbreak between the Druses and
the Maronites bad been charged by France upon the English
Government and the English Consul at Syria, and though
the French Chamber bad repeated the accusation with almost
insolent tenacity, both the Minister for the Colonies, and
for Foreign Affairs appeared to forget the horrors their
own subjects had beeu carrying on not far distant from
their own confines. He therefore thought it due to the
honour of this country that the explanatory papers should be
granted.
'lie Earl of ABERDEEN said, there could be no objection
on the part of the Government, to lay the papers on the table of
the House. A great part of the statements made b; the Noble
Lord were perfectly correct. It was true, that outbreaks, ill-
feeling, and bloodshed had prevailed, of an appalling cha-
racter. But it was not to be assumed that all these horrors
were to be traced to that misrule of the Porte, so frequently
too justly charged upon the Turkish Government. Ile con-
fessed he was not very sanguine of seeing good govern-
ment ever established in the Turkish provinces—( Hear)—
as it was their object to obtain the improvement of the condi-
tion of the people, with as little interference as possible with the
sovereign rights of an independent State, a State which, however
imperfect its government and administration in many respects,
they still had an interest in preserving and strengthening by
all the means in their power. He was not aware that it was neces-
sary for him to say any more, as there would be no objection to
produce the papers to the full extent desired by the Noble
Lord.
Lord BEAUMONT then said a few words in explanation.
He said that as the Noble Lord had not read the debate in the
Chambers, he would inform hint that he would find it stated by
M. Guizot that he maintains the sole right of protecting the
Maronites. He was prepared to act on that principle, and if he
found it advantageous he would adopt it.
The motion was agreed to.
AUSTRALIAN WASTE LANDS BILL.

On the motion for the second reading of this Bill,
Lord STANLEY wished to state the intention of this Bill.
Under the present Act it was intended to empower the governor
of the settlement to grant leases not exceeding twenty-one
years. He said twenty-one years, because he wished to leave
it to the discretion of the Government there. It was impos-
sible to apply the principles of this Bill to the convict colony.
They were imposing upon it an immense outlay upon police
and gaols of 60,0001. a year. All the other institutions were
supported at the expense of 70,0001. only. It might also be a
subject for consideration to allow those persons whose term of
transportation had expired, to rent land from the Government,
to get a certain tenure, so as, while they could not become pur-
chasers, to enable them to obtain by a temporary tenure a Com-
fortable subsistence. He had thus briefly stated the provisions
of the Bill, and he would conclude by moving that it be read a
second time.
The 'Marquis of LANSDOWNE said, that it lay upon the
Noble Lord to make out a case, not only of general policy or
expediency for the passing of this Bill, but of actual necessity.
He thought that at such a period of the session, when other
measures of the greatest imi ortance were obliged to be put
aside, that the necessary care and attention could not be given
to it. He thought there was a degree of arbitrary power con-
ferred by it, which he could not think of giving to any Go-
vernment. In the 6th clause, providing fur persons who have
occupied waste lands under a licence from the Government,
they were made liable to a tax of the most enormous amount.
He therefore hoped that their Lordships would not proceed at
this period of the session with the Bill.
Lord STANLEY explained. The licence was an annual
licence, and the Government had the discretionary power of
fixing its amount from year to year. It was, in fact, a per-
sonal, not a proprietary right; and the licence was charged not
for the extent of land occupied, but the number of cattle de-
pa;tured.
Lord MONTEAG LE said that, in l 84?, an Act was passed
regulating the sale of colonial property; but this Act, extend-
ing to all the Australian colonies, suspended the operation of
the former Act, and of all Acts at present existing respecting
penal settlements. If it was intended to suspend the operation
of this Act as far as Van Dieman's Land was concerned, why
not say so at once in the Bill?
After a few words from Lord Polworlb, Lord Stanley, and
Lord Nlonteagle, the Bill wcs read a second time, and ordered
to be committed on Friday next.
BRAZILIAN SLAVE-TRADE BILL.
This Bill was read a second time, and ordered to be com-
mitted.

FOREIGN LOTTERIES BILL.
On the question being put fur the third readtug of this Bill,
Lord NION TEAGLE remarked that by this Bill Government
proposed to take into their hands the power of prosecuting in-
dividuals fur promoting foreign lotteries ; and it was therefore
not too much to ask them to give an assurance that the law
should be strictly enforced on the first appearance of the adver-
tisements of a -foreign lottery. At all events, if such an assu-
rance were not given he sho. Id feel himself called upon to move
the insertion of a el:iu.se binding them to put the law in force,
and then these frauds would be put down without favour to any
part y.
Lord STANLEY replied that the Noble Lord was per-
fectly justified in asking tor such an assurance ; and as the Bill
had been brought forward with the Loma fide intention of put-
ting down these frauds, he had not the least objection to give
the required assurance.
The Bill was then read a third time and passed.
FIELD GARDENS BILL.
The Duke of RICHMOND moved the second reading of
this Bill.
The Earl of RADNOR wished to know if the Government
supported this Bill, and if they approved of it, he should be glad
to hear upon what grounds. 'I he 13111 proposed to establish
powers, without. being responsible
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corporate bodies in all parts of the country, who were to be in-
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poor ; the object of the present Bill was to enable the indus-
trious poor to fill up their spare time profitably, and to afford
the opportunity of bringing up their children in good and useful
habits. It was different from the Irish system ; that whereas
that system threw those who had small plots of land on that
land altogether for support, the present Bill only provided that
small portions of land should be set apart fur the purpose of
ging up the spate time of the industrious classes in a profitable
mariner.

The Bill wa3 then read a second time and ordered to to com-
mitted on Monday.
DUBLIN AND GALWAY RAILWAY.

The Earl of BESBOROUGII moved that the petitions of
John Pym and others, which had been presented to their Lord-
ships on a former occasion, be referred to the Select Committee
on the South-Western Ireland) Bill, and that the vvidenee
taken before the Committee apiointed to consider the elle-
gatiosns contained in such petition relative to forging natncs to
the contract deed of the same railway, and the report of the
Select Committee, be referred to the Committee on the Bill ;
and that the Committee be requested to report specially on suck
allegation.—Agreed to.