The Sun.
London, England, 1817-06-25 00:00:00

EXPENDITURE OF TI E COUNTRY.

Mr. 'l'laaNcy (as well as could be collected,
from the low tortein which-he spoke), expressed
with that the'Report on the -Budget might ho
postponed to a future day.. It was his intention
on Thursday to move certain rmlutions,
bracing the whole of the finauci,il system of thu
counti y.
- Lord CASTLEREAGH (in the absence of the
Chancellor of the. Exchequer) said a few words
which were not distinetly andibiC in the Giillery„
1.11 T 1 tittNiv visheit to know what part of the
inifunited'lSeht and of the Ontstanding.lixche.
(liter Bills had been' provided for, and What hal,
not been proVided for ? The total of the Onurc,
vi'ded debt was 52,970,000/. ; of which I 1',872.000/.
had been ebargcd.upon.the aids of 1816 ;-; and him?
that could tie the ease he did not eoitiprchend.—
M wiThed to know hiow that suns • had been pro.-
vided. for by the aide of last year ?
CASTLRREAGIU Said,- that his Tight Hon.
Friend the Cliuncellnr of the gieliegner was th(11
absent.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER having
returned to the House, Air. TtattNey repeated
his question.
The t.. 1 ANCELLOR of the ExcnOtita snits;
that the soul 'adverted to by the Hight Lion. Cien-.
tleinvi, though inlet!, and in a technical and
I.larliatilentary sense pTovided for,' had not becd
prnvided for specifically and actually.
Mr. TIELN —jfken an Exchc(lher Bill'is pro::
witted for by the its!ic of another of the same
riallitna) 'and the Exchequer nibs of the. ptesent
year are to wake good those of the List.

rIADLAS COI:PUS SUSPEN.IoN
Lord (..`,AS-41..v.ttaAou moved the Order of the
Day for the NCCOMI r& d ng of the hill.
Mr, P. DotioLAs oppo,ed the Bill. There were
only tbree,grounda upon which a Measure of thlt
kind could be justified. The it a spirit
of disaffection to the established Government %yeti
fostered ,by persons of consideralde rank in the.
country ; sccondlyk if it siwold appvar that Oil
minds of Jinies'ivere tainted ; and thirclly, if the
spit'it of disaffection appeured to tn widely siireutl
through the cominoniv at large ifhe last of
these had heen the case, When the liabeas Cor'port
Act had been suFmended doring the, rfVoltititniory
xvar, t a,Agatiou lead also tlVtide 14
TI 11‘ • 111
Report that had;been presented toot moor by etpi
out it yvai pot bOrne out by the tact, for whmil
lie would upneal to the Members for Leceister awl
,NOttingl“on, wbeie the grta rst disaffection was
suPPosed to.exi)t, Miteir patience amidst all their
privations nnil :listresses had been 'displayed by
the people of Birmingham. As the evil tva,k.only
partiai, soought the reinedy to he ; and the whole
body or the Vowlish people shollid not be top;"
nisited for the faults or not a twentietii pit. Th 6
ttitasnre tended to establish 3t)g oerolis prece.
dent, and he wonid rather even agree twilit: L'ut3....
of 51ditial 1,434' Ili the LfklitiVCßll

ifict9) thad CNICa.4I such a tt1,4111.11,1 over the
whole Oliver Wits not the peninn
allittlell It) irl the Ityport mittic t,o the (Abel-Holum

I', ham,' t

oholliti litie to i,oovii whets

ericomwgctuttit began to be giNen to (lig flis•

tfe t ti ? Shout(' evidence even bt! 41
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valid by that House that bail oat bctgi so esteem..

`Westtninstet, Vail, upon, the trial of the
rioters/ There was tt wide ditlerenee in this count.
try betwixt the people and the umb, and casual
.excesses might be regarded as' the price paid for
Tilterty. Foreigners, ignorant of the character of
the people, were astonished at the riots, that took
place, anti imagined that a riot in London was
the prelude 'to a Revolution. The proceedings
in the French Revolution were quite different frOtrt
y that bad lately taken • place in this countty.
There the mob' bed been a blind tool in the hands
of desperate and Vesigning Men ; bur. Mere
.the
mob were:the pritme agents, and there Inid been
no other agent; but the mob. " What was Wanted
at present was u revisiob Of the system .of the
Poor Laws, end the eigorou• enforcement of the
eNisring raWs S not to lend the authority of Go-
vernment to enpriecipled nor to swell,
critics beyond their due weight. Could no other
MethiM be devise of pi:triter 4.loWit the diitnrh•
ances, he might. be induced'
to consent to the
ywesent measure. But no such case h2d been
made out,, and he not consenCto the Sus-
pension of an Act, for the procreation of which,
the Ling:34e all the other parts of
our Constitution might be regarded as instituted.
Mr. Loettnnier replied to the last speaker, and
Contended that the int :wire was necessary. The
Don. Gentleinan oppoiire bad" adMitted that a
new species of danger existed, which could nut be
reached by the existing law, anti that some new
amide was necessary:. The laws, as they stood,
punished riots, tumults, and offenees against the
State ; and, yet it. Wits' edmitted that they could
;Unmet, the offence which unfortnnatelY existed.
The system of thet.i ntrctideis was. Widely prop-
gruel! by a seeret "system of delegation, the oh-
ject pt: Whieh was to 'root out fruit) the miuds of
the people all 'habits "add feelings of loyalty and
• Te.iivjoti.,,ttod` Ono to 'law into the dreadful va7
cum', they had. caused, the deadliest poison. lle
defended; as a general proposition, the employ.
ment of. spies,,, when no other means were open
Of detecting sores aiitianiug projects pit Were known
to exist, lied concluded by lamenting that he saw
no other Means of meeting this evil than' by the
athipticiti Of this measure.
Alt`, Cnavesti Objected to put such poWer into.
the bends of Government, for he was convinced
I lilt 'every Tersrin who cemmitted 'any offence
Might be' tried' and puniShed Mr the seine, by the
h t altTady existing,. fie that a Go-
vernmeot might be Obliged to 'eittitioy ileriolls•at
dines tea giVe them 'information, but it, . was
dreudful to drink that spies, shO'eld be idaced in.
-Situations of cnifidence, of emohnent, and ho-
ponr,, lfie objected tp these, es the practice oh-
.erveol in despotic Goveraineets: lie vvasConfi-
fteet,that most of the aeconnts that had been stated
Of conspiracies anti riots,were magnified farbeyond
the truth, by Persons whOse interest it was to do
so ; and he was sere no advantage could arise
from keeping men in confinement ; it %vauld be
far better to bring them to trial at once. And
ivim were the persons who had been pin into con-
finement only thirty-six, observe, ItriSerublf
in-
elividttals, who were wholly incapable of being
dangerous, or a doing any injury to the Con•
Stitutioo; and the 'sect et imprisonment, of a few
miserable men, Was all the Ministers had. already
itained by suspending the Consti'ution the
cootitry. lie believed the last week of good wee-
ther,did more to rclieve tha country, from the
Jaeger of disconteet•—(lfeer, hear I)—than all
the acts that had ever been passed for, putting a
stop to sedittan. It hest given a promise of plenty,
which was likely soon to alleviate. the .sufferings
of the people.,
ill BOUNAVALL COOM not NIA that this ques-
tianhad any thing to do with economy or re•
f0r,0,. The question WaS"one of eNieditney ; the
objeet wei the preservation of the Constitlition,
'1:10tVo•&: mach might be, said in abuse of this
10,ensor., how,,ver load the outcry against it, he
?i•yotil'' Ho ~c Hot etruat to cringe betorc the tyrauny
of da+nonr.—(llc3r, hear !)—Our Constitution
Was 001 so weakly fixed as to depend cm .any one

I.ltaf) 114YOR.—Arter the many excellent
p,peeeltes 11,4. tee it hen spoken, with such little
aripareut if rt on the G, otl'enten of the other
side of elle e. he should feel it.ton presump-
twpi- nintstlt to olfer his sent intents on this
a'utticet, vtr'ete ire not compelled_ by the situatitin
Ike nai)rtieil tta !lave hcen in, daring the 'tilitttrii-
attees in the
,City of Litotloo. .M.tny allusions
114/ iiete Male. to him tinring the lengthened ells-
which folleoneel those events, and he could
rot avoid saying, that lie had expected a greater
lk4c'ee of lesp....et would have been paid to his
Fecctions r);1 tit it oecasioil, by those
.'who were
most iiverestcel in their consequences. lii4 Lord-
Ship detailed the eiremnstancei'ot the Spa-lields
Meetings on the ltith 'of November, and the 42d of
/)eceoller. and ;stated, that the rioters had been el-
,feettially-an,l easily dispersed by himself and a
brother Melvrinan, with a few City officers,
assisted by the military power, It was indeed a
saatterof surprise to him, that a large body of
rioters, amounting to 2 or 300 persons, with arnit,
ha I toten autreled to enter the city without any
opposition from the military. Ile had since .that
received may letters of a very violent nature; some
even ehre,ttening.his life, containing nothing, as
let us 1,.e could pidge, of a rebellions character.
The member of these letters were Itufficient to em-
ploy the Hoose for a considerable time, and he
really sltroild find mach pleasure in occupying
their time in the perusal of them, tined the exist-
ing SetspenQion Liaw-A!spiretl, that the country
before tite.Cnitettnent of the pre,cnt mea
sure, hrtathe for even one day the air of liberty.
Of these papers, whatever were of importance, had
been communicated to the Government, but there
,wars (me to which he thOught proper to
.call more
Immediately the attention ,it the flott,e.. It was a
placard, which, pi vt itop; the S.rpA -fields Meeting,
on the 2,1 of. December, hail been posted up
rtirotigh the city, entitled, " Trnih for cz penny
(.;() it, coy boys !!' This placard bad been circa
1,0,4 bey 3 printer. who was desirous of his
v,ral for the (ilveroment, but it was of such a nu.
tare, that li,ed it corte from any person of different
t.eiffigs, it would beell dectned a fit sobjeet
Of reroseceeti,ne by hie; itletiety's Low Officers. Af-
ter ham it., dispersed the rioters with such base On
I re 211 i3e, wits tie; 1/44)11Ie Ii lit !r,
1 ~11,d pot. %,•1" it 50,11114 orio, oho ift
r. w it la'b sheep lt4Sl bhUC ; Utak, and w u

subsequent eirt:latttanees Lad proved to be young:
Watson, to proceed to Prestottiet house. He there.
found Nekton himself in great distress, with two
daughters, all lying on the groom!. He searched
the !rouse, but tonod nothing, not even a picee of
money. This wns done by the sole power of the
exisi ing laws, and these being finpid adequate to
ensureihe safety of the country, what necessity
svi., there of an new or eNtraordinary measures ?
Was reaolcecl to oppose every
stage of fl 11.

t3ir Cunt-is praised the Lord Mayor for Itii
zeal awl actl iy, but denied that the present tnea-
sore was eActilated to dimitish the liberty of ih.e
subject. lie spoke trout experience, for lie had
never fonndlis own personal liberty in the sbghtest
degree lessened during-the Suspension of the
llu-
h,as Corpus.---(Hear, hear ! and a laugh )
There were many persons 'in' the kingdom who
tvouid strenuously oppose any schemes of the tbs.
affeeted, became good anti to »1' men would a).
ways floelitogether, when their lives and proper.
ty were in, clanger:---(hear, hear !)--The Right
Honourable Gentleman (the Lord Mayor) would,:
however, call those themes a little disorderly dis-
tnihance„, resulting front a legal meeting
petition for Parliamentary Reform. Ile did not
believe one word. of it.—(Hear, hear, hear l)--
It was true, tlinie rioters bad been opposed most
gallantly by the Lord Mayor, abut the hest pari
of courage was. prittlence.—m(Hear, hear !)—He
was as anxious us the Right Hon. GerstlematrfOr
the safety. of btridon,nnd the liberty.pf
zens, but be Wilt anxious for the country also;
and he knew very well, that what was going on
in Londirri .tviruld endanger the tranquillity of the
country., What was the effect of meetings at the
Crown acrd Anchor Tavern; wh,re Major Cart-
wright, and the rest of the Irron;,4head. family,
'wade speeches there, with Deb.-pies, about phy
sieal force ; but all such people thought to coun-
teracttheill effects of their inflammatory speeches,
by meeting I be people whom they had excited to
ootrage, hy,saying, " What do you want here
with your physical force, go along about your bit,
siness."—(Hear, hear, and loud laughing !)---Ile
was -resolved to support the Bill.
Tire LORD M'sYott spoke a few %voids in expla-
nation.

• Lord DstvottntsT observed, that in intruding
for a few •moments 'upon the attention' of the

lloose„ he did so under cousiderghlr pain and
Hirt)). known only to 'beginners in PRlliiamiqa,
hut `whirls alarm wus only to he counteracted by
that Plarni, which would grow abuoit into terror,
it he cooce4e,l, that he could forego his public
duty ! ! From a sense, then, of that imperious
dory 'alone,- was he 'induced now to addres the

House, and bet. its inomentary indulgence,-.--
,(1-lear. hear !)—His vote of this night would be
in direct opposift,n to that given upon a former
•
occasion, when the question was original!), pro-'
posed to the House, and he could not give it in
silence. He gave his assent then with the greatvst
possible reluctance to thesuspension or the Itibeas,
Corpus Art—nist 'with a retrospective eye to past
&incr.', but with the view of preventing fintwe
evils—as when a
„House has been on tire, the
protectors are not contented With putting out the
flames, hot engines are stationed afterwarda.to
piny upon the stOOking ettibas, to prevent a frit'•
ther and a rotate' Contlagration.---(Hear, hear !)
But now, 'Open mature reflection, he thought the
great engine might be withdrawn, And that the
tow as it stands (with the Sedition Act in force)

was sufficient to counteract the evils of the pre.
sent crisis; and he could not consent to a further
suspinlion of an Act, so obnokious, so repugnant
to the true spirit of an Englishman—of an Act,
that, in hrs humble opinion, strtwk so vitally 4t
the interests of the subject, as that Act did which
the [louse was this night discussing.—(Near,
bear ! Iron) Oppoiition.)—As henbane and night-
shade, the dc,ulliest poisons thaf we know, are to

the hutinto, ais this measure to the great Const.
11011411)e cOnnlrv, it Oiould never be resorted
in a eaSini the °Oust iietetsity,norAmilti it be iiirr
adtniuistered but by LIR band of the ntovt,sk an)
physician, Tiili was a measure that required the
greatest' gray ity and 'reflection—,-it WAS a'measure
not iirzlitty ,to' he dealt witty; and after 411 the
considcrut ion he eimild give it, he did nut "conceive

that t' Ihe ebullitions of discontent•aMongst a
few misguided, but 'buffering Manufacturers," the
great body; the 'great mass of the people of 'this
country; loyally and firmly attacholots in his Con-
science he believed they were, to the ernisu
and Constitution of the country, should sulf,lr tor
the few, under the extended thraldrom" of this
hateful measure.—illear, hear, hear !)—No,, he
would rather say, it the great fabric, the noble
structure ot-our Cotastittttion, has, in the opinion
of his Majesty's Ministers, -in the opinion of the
majority of this 1-lunse, been in any wise.dehtpi..,
dated or defaced by the, late conduct of the mis.
gitided and posed part of the community, if
one stone of that fabric has been misplaced, now
the time of all others to adjust it, and fix it, by
the cement of conciliation and forbearance, rit,
thee than hold it together by the iros.ciamp of
sobjugatiou and power.—(Hear, hear, hear !).--
Cooceiving, then, that now is the time, cat till
others, to- meet the people of 'England with
conciliation and lenity, under all their distresses,
and that by such MAMA the tons of our suffering
countrymen may even be turned into statics and
attachment to • the Govetuntent, he should give
his decided vote in op.o,ition to the measure be.

Dre the house.---(dear, • hear ! from Opposi-
)

Mr. GRENPHLL, heittga;convincett of the neees.
811 y of this ittvtisiirei found himself compelled to
vote in raeour OE it, aithuttgh, in doing so, he
acted io.opposition to the opinion of those for
whom he telt the highest respect. It was ab.
surd to. say there was no danger aM account of
the low rank of those implicated in the recent
conspiracies. What was Robespierre ?--Who
were I)anton and Alarm ? Wete,they not Alien
sprung rrom the loweit dregs of the people ?
Lord COcuttAtle spoke strongly against the
Bill. It seemed to hint that the Secret Committee
had cxceeled their powers. 'lle !node in which
that Committee had been selected was a mere
thochery. What most strotigil excited his in.
iligoittimi In the Report was, the recommendation

earl of it, tnat reenntse.sionld be hail to
thN measure. Unless the •Itnise turned over a
uew leaf, ,it -quite irupouille that the present

system could continue long. To sdppose that tbeOli-
garchy could he long supported by a military des-
soppose that people would consent to
have their liberties destroyed and trampled upottn
was absurd. IThen he was last at Algiers, hr
happened to arrive immediately after an execution
of rebels against the Dey ; and it struck him with
horror to see beads piled tiros the Whils of slue
town like shot in the Arsenal at Woolwich. ,But
if the course now itursited was perseveetrtitr;
was his him conviction that we should either seer
on the walls of the Tower, the heads of multi-'
irides of the people, or that the heads of- his Ma-
jesty's Minkters must be struck off.—(Laughter.)
Mr. H. Anot NGTON spoke in favour of the
Bill. lie did not know to what thc Lord Mayor
alluded a lieu he co:»plained of being treated with
disrespect; hut be was sure that Worthy Magis
trate could not have alluded to any thing iii his
intercourse with the office to which he (Mr. A.)
had the honour to belong. He could assure that
Worthy Magistrate that in the office to which be
now alluded, the highest sense was entertained of
the merits of 'his exertions oti the 2d Of 'Decent.
ber. Ile•therr entered into the merits of the mea-
sure now before the House,' contending that it
was htdiipen.ibly necessary;
.As to what had-
been said of the conduct of Government in re-
ceiving information from.spies, it was his duty to
state, that no person had been employed by Go•
vernmeut to act as a spy, and that whatever infor-
mation they received from accomplices was volun-
tarily given. In the case of Oliver, he had only to
say, that he understood that person to, have been
a respectable man, who at onetime carrell on tile
bosiness of a builder. The informatimi wIti:11 he
had given was quite voluntary. Ile had oeilher
asked nor received any reward for it. Theltight
lion. Gentleman proceeded to argue, that unless
some other isabStitute cool', he foudd that wituld
answer the sante efficient purpose, the measure
must lie considered as indispeneible.
The. Lon() MAYOR, in explanation, declared,
that he hail made no allusion to the Noble Secre-
tary of State. No military whatever arrived to
disperse the mob till they were collectiag the arms
that were strewed about the streets. The first
military came from Gray's Inn-lane.
After a few worths' hi explanation from Mr.
MACDONALD, the House divided—

Ayes BO
Nucs 3O
hlujority
011 nnr rr.on•n to the Ci.illery, Mr. BFKNIZTT
appeared to he suggesting across rice t thic the
propriety of allowing more time fur the'progr't!es
of the

Lord: CASTLEREAGR said, it was intended to
sni►ntit the Bill to the Committee to-morrow, and
that it should be-read II third tin►• on Pri►iay,
tvhich-he hoped wonld'he time si►fii'leut.
Sir..TonN Newrowt declared his determination
of opposing the measure in every stage.