The Sun.
London, England, 1828-06-16 00:00:00

SUNDAY PAPERS.

(neosr THE JOAN BULL.)
The question of the Roman GatitOltz Claims is set at
rest, as far as Parliament is t. th!-jcerned, for another year;
the Resolution of the !tense of Commons having beep ne-
gatived its tht 1-ll'Obse of Lords, after a lengthreti ettiil ad-
journekl tel)ate, by a majority of forty,.o.?•!, it would be
es4.-e.:ss to recapitulate the substarY.T•oi the debate, because,
as some Noble Lord careleTisiy said, all that had been ad-
vanced that night, hsa Ind heard before—this may be true,
and must ha, Vile, and applies as well to matters of air.
meek es 'to matters of history—facts can only be r'epea'..td,
gni arguments founded upon those fact' MVist take the
same turn and run in the 'satlY.; Nrrent ; The Country is
' satisfied of the firmness of the bake .of Wellington 'and Mr.
Peql, and therciote the t otritry is sati4sed ; With ?re excep-
tion of that faction which ivntild overt!:: ow the Constitu-
tion tonthnit those for WhaSeetefirsion the best and noblest
blood has been shed, ead who tell us that if we do not
grant all the Reeilan Catholics desire, they will take it ;
and that it 'N 'better that the Papists should be relieved by
the tactih Parliament than by Mr. O'CotitYlPs Alrgo
Itic.rit. A Government that could listeh lclt grovelling,
doctrines as this, would &ter‘rt: to lose the confidence of
the country in a wet*. What is the duty, the object, the
purpose of a Oovernmeist, but to govern—laws are enacted,
a Ooelilintion is erected—those laws must be observed;
t!bat Constitution must be supported ; GoVernment must
see that these things are done, or if it do not., Uovetlnnent
it ceases to be : and to be told that a Mt% O'Connell, or a
Mr. Anybody, at the head of a crowd of spouting incen-
diaries, is to give the Papists dkl unconstitutional 'remedy,
if the GovernMent and our Representetioes deny it, is to
be told in se Many words, you P.;,,uenttory accordingha
veareb
to the
rebellion if
you preettZne to govern s;e country
laws and Constituti.sh-4MI is this threat to intimidate
be? Are we to lie down and to be trampled upon—are we
to be robbed door birtherghts, str..A see the Constitution of
Our Country 'Violated 'A4113 laws perverted, because Mr.
COCOntrell's nos it brought in array against us ?
Not: tel.; s..ountry examine Mr. O'Connell's infiauuna-
, tory harangues—let the people read his comparison of
• Buonaparte, our bitterest fee, with his conquerer Welling-
ton, the saviour of our ceuntry---let them see hoW every in-
dividual who dares to vindicate the ten'atitution is vitupe-
rated by this man—tet theth lie Collect, that having libelled
and outraged ail these persons, Mr. O'Connell publicly de-
clares that Cathat emancipation will not satisfy him; and
then let thrtn say whether the howlings and rantings of
mad incendiaries, under the guidance of shish a person, are
to move, or sway, or infiuemt a 'x'Overnment in its views
or decisions. We ktriw that Ultra Tories are reckoned im-
practicable people at head quarters, but We know, neverthe-
less, that half-measures win hot fl-s\st'et•; and we know that
if the Popish Parliament had been swept away from the
face of the earth siiX ‘aleonths since, and all its fine orators
laid by the Ella in prison, by this time their names and
their detkts would have been forgotten, and the unhappy,
stiEering,, priest-ridden, hood-winked Irish, spared the in-
fliction of the rent—a tax which this most unconstitutional
national assembly has beer& permitted to levy for many
months, in all thesecurity of arbitrary power. As a proof
of what the threats and blitsterings of these mountebanks
come to, let the people recollect that this very Mr. O'Com
nen, the lradtr of the party, said, two months ago—" If
the Doke of Wellington continue in the Administration
one month longer, the rent will amount to a thousand
pounds per week"—on Saturday last the week's imposition
amounted to 491. 7s. Sid. !—but even supposing Mr.
O'Connell's threats well founded. it is the duty of Govern-
mentto meet all the danger he presumes to threaten—the
Duke of Wellington is moderate yet firm ; and we rely with
confidence upon the man who will not suffer himself to be.
tampered with or bearded by a subordinate in office, for an
uncompromising and constitutional resistance to proceed-
inns which, though they are unblushingly spoken of, can
only take place when the standard of rebellion is actually
hoisted.

SECOND EDITION.
SUN OFFICE, Seven o' Clod.

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT

(THIS EVENING.)

HOUSE OF COMMONS.

At four co'cletk, Sir G. COCKBURN took the oaths
and his seat for the Borough of Plymouth, upon his
re-election since accepting his recent appointment in
the Administration. Sir G. MURRAY also took the
oaths and his seat for Perth, upon his re-election for
That Borough since his acceptance of the office of
Colonial Secretary.
. Mr. BYNG presented a petition from the Trus-
tees of the Whetstone Road against the Liverpool
'Road Bill, and praying to be heard by Counsel
against the same.
Mr. W. PEEL broUght up returns of the quan-
tity of silver coin in circulation.

Mr. PLANTA moved for a new writ for the
Borough of Wareham, in the room of John Calcraft,
Esq., who has accepted the office of Paymaster-Ge-
neral of his Majesty's forces.
A petition was presented from South Shields from
the practising Attornies, praying that the Bankrupt
Law might be altered so far as related to the prac-
tice of giving double fees to practising Barristers.
Mr. HOBHOUSE presented a petition from about
thirty coach proprietors residing in Westminster
againq certain clauses in the Turnpike
Sir E. KNATCHBULL supported the prayer
of the petition, which was ordered to be printed.
Mr. HOBHOUSE moved for several returns
relative to the Select Vestry of St. James's Parish
and the management of the funds of the parish during
the past year.

THE ARCHBISHOP OF CANTERBURY'S BILL.

The ATTORNEY-GENERAL moved the third
reading of the Archbishop of Canterbury's Bill.
Mr. HUME,olljected to the principle of this Bill,
which went to grant the reversion of a situation
which was a sinecure, and the duties of which were
performed by deputy. The House of Commons in
1811 had resolved that it was expedient to reduce
as far as possible all sinecure places. The present
bill was in direct opposition to that resolution, and
therefore it was that he was opposed to it. He was
aware, that the Archbishop was placed in a difficult
situation by the refusal of the two persons who
now held the situation, to give up their interest, and
he would, therefore, not oppose the bill if the Right
lion. Gentleman would consent to the introduction
of a clause to the effect that nothing in that bill should
be held to interfere %vtilt the right of Parliament to
abolish the office altogether. If the Right Hon.
Gentleman would introduce a clause declaratory of
the intention of Parliament, that nothing in that
Bill should entitle them to compensation in the event
of its being hereafter desirable to abolish the office
iu toto. He perceived that the Right lion. Gentle-
man was not disposed to agree to his proposition ;
and therefore, though he regretted it, he felt bound
to move as au amendment, that the Bill btehraetadthae
rep
third time this day six months.
The
AtihirOCßooNmEiYtt-oeGsEeßxltkreLmeriay said,
id
as to the manner in which the duties of the office
were performed. The office was not altogether a
sinecure, though he admitted that the emoluments
of the office had considerably increased within a few
years. The fees, however, were very small, and
every one roust admit that it was of great import-
ance that the documents kept in this office should
be carefully preserved and arranged. The Arch-
bishop of Canterbury has always had the power
of appointing three lives to this office. That was

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all that was now required. One of the livliviithad
dropped, and the individual now filling. tite.sfie of
Canterbury had as much right to fill oft the vacancy
a:, any gentleman had to put a third life in a lease
which he was granting of a part of his private pro-
perty.
.Wk. C-, NV: Wirl4N Und'erttobefthat a pledge was
held Out that all offices in which there was no duty
to perform should he abolished after this year.
The present Bill was intended to continue a
sinecure of 8;0004 E.Year., fora third Heil. The
rees 6iutei tit ba eedubed iiar the dike obOished
during the lives of three persons. If tha present
il Bill passed, the emoluments were a sreat deal tQO
11. 'll they •I- • b . ., .,,
, lin , Nyco arget• t an' thaic cf (my
,sittvion in
the Kii*'Sf...A t4er.pt t'.lii'z, of Lori. Chancellor. it
s','as probable at a young lifa would be appointed
end in that case, the emoluments might amount to
16 or 20,000/. before that life was run out. He
strongly recommended tke adoption of the course
the -1 ,,, , for I i
sttgKestetl by EI on. luemuer l s,oertteeti; that
tae Three lives might nyw be put in.the Patent; biit
that a reservation should b'q Made; giVi4g Nl.'.iiiiiiein
the power Of itli/144.ng the office or reducing the
..feeS. qe very reluctantly opposed the passing
of the Bill ; but conceived the few were altogether
disproportioned, and were likely to be much larger,
Dr. LUSHINGTON agfeed WO tab kW:4k
laid down by the lki,gtit Miii. gent: (Mr Wynn),
thet MIA the te'6 ill a public Ace were.. too large,
tialkiattieint. tAght to have the POWei. of reiincing
those feeS; 'Or 'of abolishing the 011ie‘n Bli he was
hot c"iinViiic'ed; h-y ve,:iit Was said, that the Bill now
bele*. the House militated against that principle.
A great deal had been said about the large emoltt-
meats of the office, and he did not say that it may
not be expedient to reduce those fee lie did not,
and he hoped he net A,V•dyrd, atiliiCit the iii.liiii-
pies I'l' es,_..Voin'Y lib wnieh all public dices should
b'c 'Conducted, but he could bear testimony, that
the business and duties of this office were
conducted with the greatest satisfaction to the pub-
lic, and that the duties required ti) be performed in
that °fat demand o.e greAtAt htti,;ntiiin from the
Officer. It w+o,.dd be right for the House to know
in Wielt manner the former Archbishop enjoyed the
patronage of the office. The Archbishop had
the power to grant the ollite to three lives
at a time, end wnen one life droppep off, it
it bad been customary for , the other two to
surrender their interest and take a new grant. On
the pi.eselit 'oixasinti3 beiVever, the patentees found
some difficulty in surrendering their rights from
settlements connected with their family affairs, and
the present Bill was only intended to give the Arch-
bishop the power of filling tip the vacant life
without requiring the patentees to surrender their
• rights. There • was not the slightest inconvenience
to the pliblic iii this 6450, If the Bill was re-
jected, the patentees and the Archbishop would come
to some arrangement, and three young lives may be
substituted, by which the public interest so far
from being advanced,would undergo deterioration. On
every principle of justice, and considering what was
due to the individual who now held the See of
Canterbnry. He thought the House should consent
to the passing of this bill.
Dr. PHILLINIORE could not concur in the ar-
guments of his Hon. and Learned Friend, (Dr. Lush-
ington) a Committee of the House had decided on.
the abolition of the office of Registrars of the
Ad-
miralty, v the Delegates, the Appeal) and of this Regis-
trar. The three offices before named was abolished
but nothing was done with this office; in consequence'
of its involving vested rights: The office was a
complete sinecure, and by passing the present Bill
the House would only be perpetuating it. It was
like- granting 1:3,000/. a year, which was the amount
of fees received by this Office, and five others de-
pendent On it, for ever. He thought that that the
Right 11011. Gentleman at the head Of the Home
Department ought to give his attention to this sub-
ject, as it was closely connectedwith the adminis-
tration of justice:
The SOLICITOR-GENERAL said, that the
fees of the office had undergone no increase in amount
since 1734, though the amount increased, because
there was a greater mass of business. The subject
came now incidentally befOrd the blouse, and he
asked whether it was fair under such circumstances
to make a stand for the condemnation of an office,
which the House had not agreed upon abolishing
diractly. Nrom the time of Elizabeth, it had been
calculated, that the three livef to whom this
office was
..granted, existed on an average for
fifty years ; ouch incumbency of an Archbishop
however, only existed twelve years, so, that there
would be four or five Archbishops before it came to
any to grant this office, unless the course new pur-
sued was continued, of filling up every life as it
came in. The Bill now proposed, therefore, only
equalized the advantages which the Archbishops of
Canterbury derived from their patronage of this
office.

Sir JOSEPH YORKE said, that in 1810 the
Committee had reported that this office ought to be
abolished, and it was one of the most extraordinary
things in the world that this House should never
attend to the recommendations of its own Committee.
An Hon. and Gallant General, Sir A. Hope, talked
the other day of poisoning the minds of the people
when something was said of saving the public
money, and carrying into effect the resolutions of
economy. He would tell the Gallant General
Bowen, and -the whole United Service Club (if he
mightbe allowed to call them so) that they shouldhave
a little of his acid, and something be done in carrying
into effect the resolutions of Committees. of the
House. The House should stand by its acts, and
accede to the recommendation of its Committees,
wherever it was possible.
The House then devided—
For the Amendment - 49
Against it B3
Majority 34

Upon the

The Bill was then read a third time.
gnestion that the Bill do pass,
M.T. HUME proposed a clause- reserving to Par
liatnent the power at any future period to abolish the
office without giving compensation io the parties.

The ATTORNEY GENERAL objected to the
clause, because he considered it adverse to the prin-
ciple of the Bill.
Mr. CARTER supported the clause, because he
thought the principle of the Bill was against the re-
commendation of the Committee appointed by that

House.
Sir J. YORK asked upon what ground could
that House reduce the half-pay of officers, when
they agreed to a Bill which gave 13,000/. per
annum to persons who did their duty by deputies.—
(Hear, hear.)
,The House then divided—
For the Clause ............... ....... SO
Against it
Majority —24
'The Trill was then passed.
Mr. LEGH KECK presented two petitionr;
from the occupiers of land near Loughborough, :yid
another place in Leicestershire, in favour of the One
Pound Note circulation.
Sir JAMES SCARLETT presented a petition
front the Attornies practising in the Courts
of King's Bench and Common Pleas, complaining
of the insufficiency of accommodation for the public
and ylie profession at the Judges chambers, Ser-
geant's-Inn, Chancery-lane ; and praying that suffi-
cient accommodation should be procured.
Mr. HUME bore testimony to the statements con-
tained in the petition, and added, that id no- country
in Europe were there such inconvenient places
for administering public justice as the Cham-
bers occupied by the Judglis of the land, cursorily
took him to Serjeant's Inn, and he there saw Mr.
Justice Bayley bitting in a dirty iittle room, about
seven feet high and fourteen feet square, crowded
to suffocation by between four and 500 persons,
He thought that better accommodation should be
provided the more particularly, when it was notorious
that such might be had at a trilling expellee. At
the time that the Judges should consent to execute
their high official duties in such places, but he wag
told that the Judges had made a representation to the

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proper quarteri the subject, and the representation
111:as not`fttenakd- to. He wislid thNßight Hon.
Secretaryot State for the HomeDephaent would
visit a Judge's Chambers during business hours, and
he had no dulibt that the result of that visit would
tje yibe. b'ettet accommodation;Mr. Secretary PEEL-After the
those chambers given by the Hon. Member for Mon.-.'
trose, he (Mr. P.) did not feel 'anxious to make the
. visit, but he had no difficulty in saying that such ac-
commodation was not suited to the dignity of the
Jitu e 5:, Eh did not know what the Hon. Member
Meant b),*, saying that it Wag' ito[oPogis that better
accorpModaiiolt could be pioared at a Meale'rat:::
.
M.i. inar'it Was; there *as
ground in the immediate neighbouilibH of gerj:qtJt'i
Inn, upon which new chambers inight be erecceci,
and which ground he had been told could be pro-
cured at a reasonable price.
(tirr SITTING.)