The Sun.
London, England, 1845-03-12 00:00:00

SUGAR DUTIES BILL.

Mr. LABOUCHERE said that he understood that the
Sugar Duties Bill had been brought in and read at twelve
o'clock this morning, no doubt through inadvertence. He did
not feel the smallest disposition to obstruct the Bill in its pre-
sent stage, but he thought it would be inconvenient to allow
any stage of a money Bill to pass without notice. He ob-
jected to it as a precedent, although, in this instance, he had
no doubt it had been done through inadvertence. He trusted
that the Right Hon. Gentleman (Sir Robert Peel) would
concur with him, and would not object to say that such should
not occur again.

Sir ROBERT PEEL entirely concurred with the Right
Hon. Gentleman in the general principle which he had stated,
and he might depend upon it that in future no money Bill
would be taken at the morning sitting without notice.
Mr. HUME was understood to ask whether, at a future
stage of the Bill, there would be an opportunity of bringing
forward the question of a drawback ?
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that
notice of a motion on that subject—for the addition of a clause
at the end of the Bill—would be brought in upon the third
reading.
In answer to a question from Mr. F. FRENCH,

Sir T. FREMANTLE said that his attention had been
brought to the subject of carriage duties in Ireland, and he
thought that many parts of the law would admit of an
alteration.

among these the greatest distress prevailed, and there esofs"
doubt but this distress arose from the maladministration ,s
local Government. The Company were not in any toed
swerable for those results. With respect to the se boiti
made by the Company. he could only say that. from lei
been most nourishing, it had been brought to ruin by ti'ol
of the local Government ; and it was further to be obsersseo
t
the distress in the Company's districts was not so, trees'
those districts immediately under the subjection ot ssi
ment. The colony was one of the greatest iroportasS.loo
under good government might become a source of great'. 0041
tags to this country. It had the finest climate and 'oetide
soil of any island on the face of the globe. It had, woeere
capabilities in point of naval accommodation, and 1
harbours and means of fitting out ships, which, in time -seeic"
might be most useful. He would 'not raise the q elef
whether or not the settlers went out advisedly or not' f eel
were there, and must now be protected. Thedistree' °,O tie
of them was so great that they had been maintain of
sole expense of the country; and although the affsiroo
country were most depressed, they had expended sut to tbel
public works, for the purpose of giving emploSillseeSl',l
poor people. Some of the colonists had escaped
some to Valparaiso, but those that remained were
lan'ote fie
to es... are
misery. After saying that, he would in a few (tar era
other papers ci nnected with the subject, and ultimatel')lese
the affairs of the company before the House. The 1100' 4
her concluded by seconding the motion. sea
Mr. G. W. HOPE would protest in the strorgest
earnest manner against the course pursued by the heed for t°:
her who had just sat down. The Hon. Member 1110" d.
formation which a fortnight ago was at his comesenmeel
course pursued towards the Government by the 1100' foresl4
was most unfair. He stated he would bring the cal eotl
by bits, and ultimately bring the whole of it under theorlihtf
of the House. The Hon. Member said he would n°t; 1, se'
ceasion, raise the general question, but he had raisee la re
r
insinuated that the Colonial-office had been guilty nt she 60'
breach of faith. He went on to make charges again'
Vermont respecting their honour and public conduct. o,
Mr. AGLION BY said lie had not made these chaireo.
had only stated that such allegations had been in eireu chalet
Mr. HOPE—No, the Hon. Member did not make • Ole";
but he made insinuations, and expressed his belief oino, f
That was precisely what he complained of. The rar roiner
papers was a mere pretence. All the papers the G° e,„ostlst
was in possession of had been before the country for Is on;
The subject had been adverted to in every newseaPer' of 9
publication, a full statement regarding the affahicanie
Zealand had been made, under the authority of the pobile'
The whole question he repeated had been before the
bad be:
and before Parliament, again and again. Why, it nieelt
even stated that it was the intention of the Gov
impeach the Noble Lord the Secretary for the Colon;e that the
conduct in these matters • and it was even hinted (s fro
reason why the Noble Lord' left the House was to es; cij that
these charges. But what he chiefly complained °,l; ebic
charges were made out of the House by Hon. stem ;
they could not substantiate in the House. When
et Aeyj
Member insinuated that Members of the GovernMeejil
guilty of a breach of faith and want of honour, it sr hi,
that that Hon. Member should substantiate his chair4oilnwhs
avow it. Nothing could:be more unfair than the ajestte,
Member's course in making certain random charge' estr!
Government, and then moving for papers in ord.rsose sto
from them some foundation for those charges. r'ee, able Of
eidence of untoward circumstances, they had not l,rbe woe ,
obtain any official information from New Zealand'floserelneesris;
the debentures bad not been approved of by the Dist. The,
and were withdrawn, at the instance of the Govern,,rh-earoine-og
had not been done under the warrants of the 'le had
nor sanctioned by it. Respecting the proposed tax', to tot
received any information, and, with respect had f•-ie
recent outrages alluded to, the last advice " mt tere
a
no further than to say that troops had been s- otscs.ji
Sidney for the purpose of repressing those
With regard to the fifth head, all he had to fay
the information the Government possessed had heeu nett) ('l,l
the House already. The lion Member for Cockeriuwe, Oro
Aglionby) had taken a most extraordinary eclurelsee..„,ss
seemed desirous of attacking all that had been tiedro
seemed to imply that the Noble Lord had acted on oe to
statement, and even seemed to think that he hati ac
et, 'Ps el
exparte statement of the very murderer himself• t the 130
contrary, a magistrate had gone out to inquire hat the 0]
were, and had personally investigated those facts toes ",
of Islands. A difference had ensued between thent. had tins
the settlers. The former conceived that the letteii bad,ti
di
fringed their rights, a conflict had ensued, and blcleio ree'ejee
happily, been shed. Every effort had been ma"-eeses Qt'sirf
the evils ehich had ensued, and to do justice toeei. tn 9
but some individuals seemed to think that some oily ibePlie
was requisite than that which had been appointed tbitioe
per judicial authorities. He (Mr. Hope) thong, soillteely
need scarcely refer to the disasters produced ty sego,/
under such circumstances as these—he nee to ies.
refer to the little consideration, indee- 'fibs
want of all law, which necessarily atteuiises ° eel
who left their native country to settle in remote pot enireek
earth, and he could not admit that the feeling °such, elf
that such collisions were unusual. When „eoeto,
lisions had taken place, it had often been ne reeale
tell
impossible to apply to this country for jassistanc` of
What was the case in this instance ? A nuelheroen,sreli to
colonists had settled among a people rude, savage' ierredn Doe
and ab we all, deeply sensible of their rights and "e in the,re;
uphold them. Was it to be expected that She had ofwies
session of their lands, and with such habits as the, ger?„istel
them, that they would willingly or easily resign ricerols'ese
Hon. Member for Cockermouth (Mr. Agliony),
that the white man was neglected while the b1a73,,,,5di at
protected. The Hon. Member had alluded to Or! on' 01
and had adduced letters which he supposed had be pi
to the colony, as if there was some collusion in thefeeiber but
(Mr. Hope) did not know whether the Hon
3 ese
Cockermouth had any peculiar means of id°. heoll)fite
this he would beg to say, that if he (Mr• °f
alluding to the letters of the Noble Lord at the n:toportvie
Colonial Department, that there were none of any !_e not
in this transaction, the contents of which seer' Isfeletio
eluded in the reports. The Honourable imply!
alluded to Mr. Shortlands, arid had seemed to this
that Gentleman's conduct had been indefensible l'tnbeso
casion. He regretted that Mr. Shortlands had 136 ttide' s
duced. Mr. Shortlands was acting-governor at tha.
lt` yd
on his return had requested to be put on his defeneeinterSons)
also spoken of Mr. Bushy, and had wished for thew. Safrors
which that gentleman waa able to give, but hei(col toast
did not think that Mr. Busby was able to supt-",Geern
mation which was not already possessed by the ,pd for:bifl
and the House. The Hon. Member had also wi''''e-ohir", tof
Cotes' letter, and seemed to conceive that the lettetranserfisoe
been transmitted to the colony, had been a mere oft°,
tat
Mr. Cotes' letters. When the fact was that the ceieJee to
had been sent out to New Zealand before Mr-referen_ se'
formation had ever been heard of. Indeed, on B,__a bee
the documents he found that Mr.. Cotes' letter
to'off toltilejes.
ceived the day after the dispatch had been sert lion' 1, so°
Zealand. With respect to the observations of th,eopatr,jorf,
her, upon the coincidence of the contents of
that strattrut ttre
the letter of Mr. Cotes, he thought it not at all a e) th' „soil
for it was not at all surprising to him (Mn 11 °P° f the same
persons writing on the same subject, in possession the,,pset:
information, and entertaining pretty near.' and
views, should come to the same conclusionivio Seeress
themselves in very similar terms. chino to 5 fel
to the circumstance of sending for troops to n.ihee tit
the outrages, he must say that the Hon. the ine0,,,,51,
greatly confonnded the facts, and he appearcarlh trot
to be wholly in the dark respecting them. - tbtssod
to the right of pre-emption, the course taken
i,"e-nee,
Government deemed it necessary to secure a °the firs,an sof
e
this purpose had secured to itself the right, in h l§
of purchasing the waste lands, and then to se" he
c :Vs'o4 qtr'
0
vance. These had been the instructions of t
Normanby and not of the Government of si StO he
t
Hope) was a Member. He was not now &bon_ in er.aer,
those instructions, but he merely referred to theo'hoing,t7oll!
show how the system had arisen. The natir'licse,. 1 "is
tamed that land had risen to 20s. and 30s. an- and ,thesol *O,
became discontented at the price they received, of
?eft
cordingly called upon the Government either to. :f othsvo
advaneed price or leave them open to the offeft'onia 0,007,
sons who would do so. But their doing 0. •aally t4e
the colony without funds. The land was origt it;
.tO 00'0
1
and then an advance of 20s. an acre was put upooejeer 'he 11b
applied to the expenses of the colony, and the . T"f t r
used in the transference of labour to the colonel:4'0o 0 oleot
had been introduced by the Ptletiesc failed.oeld
present Government, but it had enure' .
the circumstances of the case, Lord St_a had daean t
otherwiso than apply the land fund as he wee' itle°a:
(Mr. Hope) was ready to produce all the.
the oeretit sso,
subject; mad, with respect to the papers which sfertiteoler,
bar desired to Lave, he might have had theen
of GO spars
There was no information in the possessim's_on theero
which the Hon. Member could not obtain Ihr
esji bedot ts,
themselves ; and from the papers which had rof all the
tba
domed, the House was practically in possessi?nhe 001 be ;To
Hon. Member required—( Hear, hear)—sarisst Iss eatjC
, 1,
the Hon. Member would have been better
its enee'
framed from moving for a series of papers, ne.,.ttsenssiq.° tot.),
different times, and bringing on a series of
o"ostjesh;i ens
were as useless as they were unjust and u .71.0dnsee sboubs
Noble Lord under whom he served. In the a.'
he (Mr. Hope) intended to more to this tn°::Sit'eb,teheoo'gb°
certainly apply for the whole of the eaPer"ster Pur
that the Hon. and Learned Member had be tie°
eee
course or else abandon his attempt.
intend`ernore b t
Mr. A GLION BY explained that he
and era
t oot
Lieut. Shortlands; and he begged to be Emu s, 04„d to °eel
motions which he intended to make for pap H; pis'te of it;;.,
wish to bring on any discussion whatever. l'tbe affi:e per
tain information exclusively with respect tF v, but t" but
Company, and his object was not discussios.,..n.,. j
_Ol
necessary to come at the real state of those . :600 °..f tb!„
t
Mr. CHARLES BULLER said that Istoper sll_7,
reprobate any attempt to put down any. °' elopeer"sof er"i le
ctl
indeed,
_„„me W:000'4
Hou. ein the endeavour to obtain informatero..: the
public circumstance. He thought it was pe
Member of that house to make any statementsprio Istwesel
o'o
a subject for discussion, and it did,
any Member of any Government should Pre_' `iii, ops s
question the right of any Member to exinear..., seitheuot Istwo
public affairs, or of any portion of those 11rout agar )nee
it it amid all those taunts which had been chess uieng aCer
Mention had been made of these matters un° of
,ov„,
and July last, and yet it was unreasonable, %9e,a51011e 'of
circumstances, to ask for papers in the uPte t° t l'articer.
Colonial-office. He did not mean to iMOI3 ,es 03'5_ 00,
Member the Under-Secretary for the Col
on,'nen ibeeertii 04,
eare or consideration for the country, hut; ein, bel rip
were called for, it was, he must confess, t.n.o"sseationaohret
crous to turn round and say that all the 0,
sessed was before the House, or ready fPneheeen,g'ation:tvellt;se
fact, the House was in possession of no l ivi t
ailable for boot Lao'
at least, of any information that was av
an „id he ;;Iser
—( Hear, hear,) The Hon. Gentleman et
. 0
fsft id
papers were before the House, in th°
mired them. ' He must say that e
_wing ?
the Honourabli; Gentleman seemed to ,P t the° ote,
s the "i the t°
loose with the House. 'Why what wa ,aet dew 1100
were no less than six subjects of comkpl. "
nth_n-
the Hon. and Learned Member for Coe
the b 0° '0,0"
imposition of taxes, the commission of oui ,
_es
ance of land sales, and the proclamation e os!_. 0e..5t diet
had been said. Now, on five out of telie!..o
_ls'e at :el
,cl,O
was absolutely no information before th I,iplea Jet (sie'lis,
it was the duty of Government to expressin a, were lees ies,
application for any other papers except this of
table of the House. Was this, he would r a Meow, opinest
answer from a great public department to sent ,c!.uttie
House ? A statement was made that an acctufiss thalelecn
was, but he presumed that it was not the aced
e°ell'ot 6%e °?
to the correspondence. He did not l!neoss:enstrniens ofiarine:ltieseis
Hon. Member for Finsbury (Mr. Dunto dia nreorto
other night—(Laughter)—and if it were,less. infer":
the Government could be in possession of !ra
bleb
that account. jWas he to say that the 0/ "
And if they were not, where was the inform y
so °es"
House was said to be possessed?
Jen- '
Mr. HOPE intimated his dissent. , Gent there otb
Mr. C. BULLER—Did the Honourable tot ejs 10
to contradict him ? He would repeat., of ih°s 0.0..0rs
not a single itom of information nn five 6,M del qel,ll.
jecta in the papers before, the House.
e`toher tilottre<o
enter into any controversy with tha Alnone The.estaneeo
Secretary for the Colonies on that subject'ter hobo cotly
which he had to complain was one of gree° Lati to
tile
larger question. The matter of which is
but,' of all iiisorviti es
was not the ill usage of New Zealand only, ate, etteres e°llol°
nies—of the utter ignorance—the gross, s'and te.A
of every person connected with the colonies Ory be
tlatnuelyel, from the Governor up to this