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London, England, 1821-08-23 00:00:00

THURSDAY, AUGUST 23, 1821

like to as'k: 'Between the itiSmissal of one witness and the ad-
mission of another, was there time for the officers to change
their positions ?"
Nr. Emans.-44 No, there was not ; they suc,
ceeded each. Other instantly. lam speaking upon
my oath, and "I declare that there was not an
Officer who moved at all during the parade. I
put them all in their places, and saw them in
their cloaks and accoutrements as on that day,
And they never shifted ; if their horses were un-
easy with standing so long and moved, they were
instantly reined back tea their places. All the
regiment was drawn-oit, consisting of 2fi7 men,
besides the Officers, Some of the men he should
state were'not present, because they were con-
fined in the hospit:.l by injuries received from
bricks and stones ; oLe had,,a leg broken, and
two had broken collars, and one was in such a
state that it had only, I.ki•en yesterday decided by
the surgeons that he would not have a permanent
locked jaw. The statements made yesterday by
the witnesses were most false as to the treatment
they received in the barracks. Every facility
was afforded them, and they were treated in the
most civil manner. It was not true. that they
had been desired to,, look only,in one direction,
for they had the fullest inspection of every man
on the parade. , •
Examined by Mr. ITANSON.—There were five
men wounded on the day in question, so that
when they came home they were sent to the hos-
pital. Thirty-seven men received wounds and
bruises, whose names had been sent intoPovern-
merit, besides . others less seriously injured.
Many of the horses were also hurt ; I cannot say
wounded, they were bruised- and injured : one
was cut with a shari)ThStrument under the chin.
In answer to questions from the Jury,. the
witnesses stated that some part of the regiment
wore cloaks when inspected, because some of the
men wore them on the 14th.. Cannot say whe-
ther the same men were in cloaks ; is not certain
upon that point. •
Examined by Mr. Sheriff WAITIIMAN.—" Did
you know that an appointment was made to have
the regiment. drawn out.for the inspection of the
witnesses, at ,eleven eMocklesterday morning ?"
Witness—l did in the forenoon, .but I, afterwards heard that ,
it was altered to two.

In-answer to the Jury—l have Mr. Hobhouse's letter con-
veying the order. The witnews were admitted about half-past
two. Some of them., came in afterwards at different times.
I suppose the first witness ban to examine the troops at
half-past three. I cannot say ig xactly the time ;it was a long
time after the men were ready.; they were ready to turn out
at half-past one ; I cannot say that it was not four when the
inspection began ; I do not know the time, but it certainly was
not five.

Mr. Sheriff WAIT lIMAI.r—Do -you know that any of the
Jury were insulted when they entered the Barracks ?
Witness:—l co not know it. 4: •
Mr. Sheriff WAITILMAN—Do you know that one of them
was struck by a soldier ?-
Witnest-:--Noi I should think not.

Mr. Sheriff WAITHMA24-:-DO
.70U know that they were
rudely pushed out by the soldiers, so as to leave the whiting
from their dress upon the clothes of the Jury ?
Witness-I know of no such thibgs.
Mr. Sheriff WAITILMAI.--DO you know that a boy was
struck on the head and wouncleel, m the Parli, by a soldier ?
do not, and I shoOd think it very unlikely.
Some of the Jury thought 'these questions ought not. to be
asked.of the witness.

Mr. HANSON—Was the boy of whom you have been speak.
ing a witness ?
No answer was returned.

Mr. Sheriff WAITHNEAN rose and said, that the
witnesses had been intimidated, and as they stat-
ed yeterday, they were afraid to go in ; and well
they might, when persons outside were wounded
by the soldiers, and the Jury were insulted and
struck in the Barracks.
The examination of the witness continued.—
It was not dark before the inspection of the regi-
ment concluded ; it was then good day light ; it
might be seven o'clock, that is good daylight.
Mr. Sheriff WAITRMAN again declaimed upon
the insults offered to the Jury, and requested Mr.
Blakey, the Juror, who received the blow, to
state how it happened.
Mr. Blakey complied, and repeated the state-
ment which he made yesterday. He was pushed
rudely out with the other Jurymen, and. when
going down some steps, a soldier, who stood on
an eminence, put back his right hand, and struck
him on the mouth so violently, that he must have
fallen backwards if the Jury had not been so
placed as to prevent it. He was not lawyer
enough to know how far it was in the power of
the soldiers to expel the Jury from the barracks
in this manner ; but he certainly held it to be a
very vital point for their consideration, and one
which ought not to be lost sight of. He should
know the man again, for he had a wound , upon
his face ; he asked a soldier standing next to him
for his name, who ill a rude manner said, " I
cha'n't give it you."
The FOREMAN of ,the Jury said, he should
know the man again, as Mr. Blakey pointed'him
,out to him.

One of the confused conversations, so peculiar
to this Court, ensued npini this subject.. Sdrne
thought the whole matter juite irrelevant.. One
juryinan said, that they had brought it on them-
selves ; for if they had applied to the Secretary
of State, as had been propOsed, they would not
have been 'placed' in such a 'situation. This ae-
claration excited considerable warmth in some
others of the Jury. •
• illr. Sheriff WAITHMII4 said, that all that iVas
.wanted was for the facts to-go forth to the country,
and that was now effected.

A Juryman—" But there is no occasion fo-r'ad-
dressing all these things to this Gentleman."
Mr•. Emans said, that if such things had" hap-
pened, they must be answered for 'to a higher
power. lie was certainly not answer4ble.-for,
them, and had nothing at all to do with them:
'• A Juryman stated that there was no intention
of•blaming this gentlenian ; but he would:un-
doubtedly communicate to his COmtbandin'g
cer what he heard there.
Mr. Emans did not ccibsiacrthathe 4-6.8 rohie ,

there for any such purpose, Or that it was any
part of his duty.
The examination was again resumed. I never
saw any man laugh at the witnesses, or take any
particular notice of them ; they did not do so ;
they looked to the front by orders, and sat per-
fectly still. Ido not know what gates were at-
tended by particular Officers. The troops were
sent out in five parties by order and under the
directions of the Civil Power.

The Foreman.—You are not aware of any stra-
tagem or manoeuvre made use of to disguiSe any
of the men?

Witness.—Certainly not. No such dishonotir-
able practice would be resorted to.
There was no report made of.the duty of the
Because the troops were acting under -the
Civil Power. If they had been sent to perform
a specific duty.according to order, a report would
have been made. I cautioned them when they
went out of the Barracks not to act without orders
from the Civil Powee, becattse young Officers
sometimes_ are not acquainted with the nature of
the service they have to perform. •
[Here the evidence of Mr. Emani closed. Se-
veral of the Jury expressed their satisfaction and
thanks at the manner in which he had made every
communication to them, as well as for his polite
behaviour to them in the Barracks yesterday.]
Mr. BIRNIE was then called, and as heentered
the room the Jury rose.—.l know nothing con-
cerning or touching the death of this man of my
own knowledge; if yclu please I will state what
I am called here for—what passed at the Horse
Guards Barracks yesterd;,y ; I received instruc-
tions from the Under Secretary of State to go to
the Barracks at Knightsbridge at eleven o'clock,
and there to see that witnesses admitted by
tickets should have free access to examine' the
officers and soldiers, to answer the ends of public
justice ; that order to attend at eleven was coun-
termanded in the morning, by another letter,
to say that it was inconvenient to turn out
the men before two o'clock. The letter was
official. .I went rather before two, accompa-
nied by another Magistrate, from Queen's-
square Office, Mr. RainsfOrd, who had received
similar instructions; and then I found from a Gen-
tleman, who was said to be the Silver Stick, and
who was called Colonel Hill, that the regiment
was not to be turned out till further orders, and
that was the sole cause of the delay ; it was not
out of disrespect to the Coroner or the Jury.—
We waited there, very disagreeably, until half-
past four o'clock ; I mean disagreeably because
we were doing nothing. • Then Sir H. Torrens,
the Adjutant-General, came on horseback, sur-
prised that no report had been made, and 'thought
there must be some mistake. Sir H. Torrens
said, in hearing, that the delay was occasion-
ed by my not receiving an answer from you ; and
the men were immediately ordered out. The
.Commanding Officer assured me that every offi-
cer and man were mounted and paraded in the
Larne manner as they were upon the 14th.—
He was Oiled Colonel Cavendish. Observing
some of the men cloaked, I asked him the reason,
and he said it was the men that were cloaked
on the 14th. Some Gentlemen came with
tickets-in the usual form, but without the name
being inserted ; they were consequently sent
back to have them altered. I saw no witnesses
refused after the 'tickets were corrected. The
witnesses were put into a room where they corn-
plained'of being warm. I saw one named Jones,
who seemed to know me ; he said he wished to
go out, and I applied to the Commanding Officer,
who permitted them to go into the Riding-school,
and to walk about in a cool passage, where' I
walked myself. The men were drawn out in
four ranks in open order, a- space between each.
The witnesses went into the lines, and I accom-
panied them ; so did Mr. Rainsford chiefly, but
1 went through the whole. 1 will explain about
the witness being told about turning me away..
I saw them looking. about in different direetiOns,
'!and 1 desired that he..would look to the right up
~one-Eue, :and. same down • another,. so that -he
• must see all, otherwise they might miss
some. . Three- or four of the witnesses
.wished
to make a second examination: The' Com-
manding 'Officer said that was contrary to
his' instructions, but ,Mr. Rainsford'and myself
insisted upon it, and the Adjutant-General was
of that opinion, and it was complied with. The
witnesses; wherever they supposed they could
identify any person, stopped, and the Cominand-
ittg. Officer directed the Adjutant to take down
the names of the persons so identified, which I
suppose the Adjutant did, as he wrote alWays.
In the preseuee of •every Witness,' I asked if every
man and every Officer were: on the same horse„
.and in the same order as when on duty on the
1-Ithe 1 was regularly assured they were every
time ; with the exception of one man lying:in the
hoSpital weilieded, from a brick, or something of
the kind. None of the witnesses expressed a
wish to see him, or I should have ordered it.
To a question from the Foreman; Mr. Birnie
replied, that he did .not take any nanies of the
.officers so identified. He did not conceive it to
:be his duty to take the names it all. Ile knew
one of the officers, Lieutenant Storey, *before, ;
and he was singled . out by one witness.' Mr.
Stafford might have the names of the oflicers.L—
'The boy Alexander fixed upon Lieutenant-Gore
at least he was told that was the name of the
officer.

In answer to a question from one of the Jury-
men, as to whether there'had not been held
another Ibquest within the Bariack-yard.

111 r, BpixlE said, I made no further examination of the wit-
neases, than merely to ask for what purpose they came. . .
Mr. *A I'iIIMAN-1-Vere not severaLW the 'Witnesses in.

PRICE SEVENInN6E;

doubt as to the person of the individual whom they wished to
identify ?—two more especially being so exactly alike.
Mr. BIRNIE—Yes ; there certainly was some doubt ex:

pressed.
Mr. WAITHMAN—Was not one of them on the left, and the
other on the right ?
Mr. BI#NIE,—Ye,s.. -
The. Coitolaga_wha has this to do with the evidence ?
Mr. WAlTrritrAN—Begging yotir pardon, Sir, it has vary
materially to do with the evidence; foi, as neither you nor the
Jury werapresent, I wish to obtain, through the evidence of air.
13imie, the manner in which the men were identified. .
Mr. lirarellalaer proceeded—Do you happen to know the
names of theetwo men who so resembled one another ? •
Mr. BiriatiiE—l could not swear to the names of any of
them but one, whose name is Lieutenant Storey, the Son of my
acq uaititance, the _Magistrate. -
Jurrenan—You have said that some of the witnesses had
some doubt as to the identity of some of the men; I wish to
know vihether they had an opportunity afforded them of clear
in,' up these doubts ? •
--11;a131iisii!---Every facility was given them, and indeed
Sir Henry Torrens
_wits of the same opinion as mySelf that.
every facility should be afforded to the witnesses.—l ought-here
to mention that Colonel Hill belongs to the Blues, but, as he
had the office of Silver Stick, 'on that day, he was dispatched to
the Guardta
Juryman—bid you see any of the soldiers laughing and
scoffing at
,the witnesses ?
• Mr. 131Rxii—Yes ; they certainly smiled, as they generally
do on these occasions.
A Jnryman.aDid you see them gnash their teeth ?
Mr: BrnesiE—lf they did so, it must have been behind my
back, as I generally walked before the witnesses to give then,.
confidence, arul remove from their minds the impression that
they were entirely surrounded by soldiers.
Mr. Birnie then left the room, 'having said that he would
send -Mr. Stafford with the papers and names of the Officers
identified, if he had them.
Mr. WArriimas—Mr. Coroner—Although I consider that
the witnesses not having had fair play yesterday, would justify
me in breaking from the promise which I made, not to bring
forward any morea yet' such is not my intention. I merely
wish to state, that there is a man in attendance who is ready to
give evidence, that one of the soldiers, woo was on duty on the
14th, and consequently ought to have been on the parade at
barrack yard yesterday, was drinking at his house during the
whole of that period. He is not one of my evidences, yet a-41
order him to appear, if it be your wish. •
Thoinas Austin, 6, Dorset-street, Portman-square; being
called and sworn, stated that one of the soldiers was-absent
from yesterday's muster, whom he considered ought tohave
been present at the barrack-yard.
'- Questioned by a Juryman—The soldier belonged to the Ist
Regiment of Horse Guards; had a furlough-for three days; he
never knew him before ; the soldier said that he was on duty at
Kensington on the 14th, that he neither brandished his sword,
nor fired his pistol ; could identify the man.
A Juryinan—lf you can learn the name of the man, :Fee.
your evidence might be of consequence; but otherwise it is
taking up the time of the Jury.
Austin—Well, Sir, I thought I was serving my country in
so doing ; but I will withdraw when you please.
Co a ONER—WeII, as soon as you like then.
Francis Cole llurnbert, Hyde Park Hotel, Oxford-street, is
a Royal Military Surveyor and Draughtsman, on half-pay—
SAW a man, carried along
.oxford-street, Just as he was raiaed
a from the ground; saw . detachment ,of the Home Guards
drawn up near Cumberland Gate on the 14th of, August, &Ili-
an Offieer commanding that detachment, whom he. knew by
rie Officer came* to him, and requested him to send
his porter to the6ext Public-house, to fetch, some beer, fbr the
aoldrers ; -believes -his name. to be Mr. Gore.
By.a Jurona-Did not send for the beer in consequence of his
knowledge of the Officer, as he would have done ai,Sanuelt for
any °Slicer similarly situated ; his porter's name I* Ci4der
saw the same Officer in Oxford-street all the morning ; passed
a few words with him since ; the Officer told him to pay
_for the
beer, and lie would send the money on the following day ;
no conversation farther with him ; did not see that Officer tire ;
be is a young healthy person, about twenty-one.
In answer to Mr. ‘S'aiTl.MAlN—Cannot speak particularly
to the colour of his hair.
By Mr. Ilaarsox—Saw the procession out of the.drawing-
room window ; saw Cumberland Gate closed by the mob..
A Juror-I-Did you see them 'closing, or closed ?—To the bast
of my belief, I saw them closed.
Mr.--liasSog—Did you see the military attempt to force
them open ?—Yes, I did.,
Was this before the "procession arrived ?—Before..:.'
At this time did you see any stones,' bricks, or mud thrisain ?
—Yes, I did; stones and bricks were
-thrown by the mob;:;- -
At,whorn were they thrown ?.-i'at the Guards attempting to
open the gates.
Did you see them strike any one ? several soldiers were
struck; one.was knocked' off his horSe.; is not quite certain
whether the gates were quite
,closed the second time; after ttit
gates had been opened he saw the detachment which headed
the procesiOn come through ; saw several of the soldiers after
they were in Oaforth.atreet struck with bricks and stones which
were thrown by the mob ; several' hundred stones were flying
in-the air at one time, which-were thrown from the Palk side
of the road.
The CoirowEa here read a note from Mr.. Birnie in which he
stated that :s1 r. Stafford . was not at home, and that the peiital
of his return.was uncertain.
Witness in continuation—When the leading horses had pass-
ed Cumberland-gate, witness observed the leaders' bridle
seized-by several of the mob, and turned towards St. Giles's,
during which time 'buck-bats and stones were continually
thrown.--Save the Horse Guards, after some difficulty, turn the
hearse back again'to go up Edgware-road. There might have
been some intermission from-•throwing 'Stones, but witness did
not see it.. Noticed one man in particular who was struck at
once by two bricks. Can't say that they were thrown by the
same man. 'Saw Lieutenant Gore, the officer who commanded,
struck by stones 'five. or • six - times. It might be about 10 mi-
nutes to his best belief, after this before the firing commenced.
Saw distinctly several of the soldiers fire into the air, particu-
larly those who fired ihe first round. . .
Mr. WAITIIMAN—IIow many shots were fired P—l can't
tell. ' -

• Mr. WAITITMAN—Can you not give any idea of the tun -
ber of shots fired ?—Witnessr-rcannot.
Mr. BANsos—lf the stldiers had not firetlinto-the'air, I
should think there would tiave been a greater number killed ?
Vitness---Iv es.
A Juryman objected to this question.
Mr. Ilmisorf urged his right to put it. . .
Mr. WAITHMAN Said that Mr. Hanson had put a question
into the witness's mouth.
Mr.. HANSOX—I have a right to cross-examine. the witness.
Mr. T H MAN-I do not call that question a cross.erforrni,
nation, nor did I know that such was allowed by the Jut*: .
The CORONER—I am sure there has been a great clear or
cross.examination here.
By the CORONER—Can you form a guess how many per-
sons there were about the gate ?—Witness—Several thousands.
Mr. WAITHMAN—You can count hundreds of s.ones in the
air, -and thousands of people, yet you could not count the num=
ber of .shots fired ?
The CORONER—That reasoning will not hold good. I can
tell that there are mote than 20 in this:room : yet I cannot say
how'many.there may. be.. •

Here much altercation ensued, which the confusion pre-
vented our giving any account of. •„ •• •
The ContiNEß-,110 you think that the number amounted
to above 2,000 individual* ?—Yes ; to the best of voy belief:,
CORORER—From what you saw before the firing com-
menced, do you consider the soldiers to have been in,danger.?,
—I certainly do. .
Mr. WAITHAtAN—I say that is no-evidence.
Mr. ll.AUsori—l say it is..
; Mr. WArrithl..kN—The evidence is intended . to speak only:
of facts, and it remains for the Jury to decide upon
The CoßotrEß—l think such questions arc as. well avoid4i
Mr. WAii.iimAN—l do not care about it., Mr. Han.sun sap
it is evidence; and I; far my credit as a lawyer, say .it
evidence.—Froth what he saw, they conducted themsel.vtwillo4
mild and temperate manner. . ; _
Mr. WArruma.w-==.HaVe you any doubt as to the iijaiiitikrot„,'
'Lieutenant (lore. You could speak with accurate cAk,stlas4l
as to there bbihg hundreds of stones and.thcrusandsaognpie,"
The Con.oxEit-I beg Mr. Waithman tq,refrain freßvuutc-
ing Atich. Mordents on the evidence. ~:a•
The witness answered, that he had nodoubt that tbe.llll4l- •
Aleirian qttbstilan Was Mr. Gore.. He sa'w.a.'snld'a?.kno,red
,clown opposite the Park Gate. Be was net stirs
'from a stick or a stone. He could swear the home did fly; t.',111

sa saw the horse on his lees. He wad not tell whe-
Lei it was a red or a blue solder.

50 many Jurors here put questions at the same time to the
witaesa that the Coroner was obliged to step them.
WAITIIMAN —1 Wish that pm had a ready writer.
The CORONER—My nerves have been much shaken to-
nlg!.-rt, and it should be remembered that I have had no mut-
ten-•:hops to strengthen them.—(This was in allusion to Mr.
I,l7aittraan ordering mutton-chops into the jury-room, and
(Seatca much laughter.)
Witness continued—He could met recoll?ct whether this
was before or after the hearse passed through the gate. Could
rot triter whether the soldier had a red or blue cloak on. Saw
« manlier:ding the procession with a banner in his hand waving
in the air. Lives r.ealcr Park-lane than Curnberla.nd-gate.
Did not see the ma.a shot near Cumberland-street ; he saw him
Oerward.s. _From hia own hotiie he had a view of Cumberland-
.,-1-1e saw neither of the men shot. Did not see the sol-.
:kers branitishang thnir swords and cutting «bout at the people;
at me time of the shutting of the gates ; did not notice the
01-i:e29 when the gates were shut.
Mr. WarillalaN raid, he feared it was an insult to the Jury
so ask another question of this witness.
Did you see the soldiers striking the people ?—Ne, I did not.

You spmk.of stones 'thrown at the time the gates were being
shut ; did you see any soldiers strike them ?—No, I did not.
Did you hear the Riot Act read ?—No.

By a i,nor—Neither Lieutenant Gore nor his father had
L.-dged at his faher's house, the Perk Hotel, for three years.
. -Had seen him hut on:;, since.
Q. What- was your :.anversation with the father of Lieut.
gore ?

Mr. HAN SOX-1 object to tae converntion, *hicb is not

er..-nce.

A Juror—Was any of that conversation touching or concern-
ing the occurrences of the 14th August ?
Another Juror—He ought not to be called on to criminate

After some altercation the question was permitted to be put
A. I may say that it was in some way concerning it.
The Major asked me if I knew any thing about the affair.
The COROITM objected to this answer being taken as evi-

Glir..Ce.

A Juryman—Did he advise you in that conversation to come
~.,:ward or stay away.
•
Witness—Neither one way or the other.
Bia Juryman—Were you at the Barrack-yard yesterday ?
witness—l was, but cannot say by whom 1 was introduced.
I received a printed summons to attend at a public-house in
Anishtsbridge, and when there, I received a regular witness's
t"ket, which was made out in the public-house.
-By Mr. WarritY..a..Y—Can you tell where the public-house
was situated ?—No.
Mr. WAIT Luray—Did you give evidence, or were you sworn
to your visit to the barrack-yard ?—A. No.
Mr. Warr Imam—And yet were you admitted, without
teMs knocked down or turned out ?—A. Yes.
Warr' }MAN—What did you do on your admission ?
Witness-1 was not in the room with the witnesses. I asked
cnq of the .Guards to let me stand on the outside, the room
co warm.

WAITIIMAN—Was any question pat to you whether
you had been examined ?--A. No, I gave my ticket, and pass-
ed. on. I do not know the sign of the public-house, but I observed
great crowd around it. I was conducted by Guards to the
room where the witnesses were, and I asked to remain on
cruicle ; when called for, I passed the troops, for what
z.r...-yose I cannot tell, as I was detained there during four hours
a=d a half. Cross-examined.—l did not know for what pur-
ple I was summoned. I told the person whom I saw at the
7.4.-sblic-house that I had not been examined, and he answered,
:I-At it was of no consequence.
By the CoRoNER—Do you mean to say, that you don't know
for what purpose you were summoned ?
Witness--I understood from other witnesses that they went
to :wear to a man.
WAITIIMAN—Did you then not know for what purpose
yc-.; went ?
Witness—l ns told by one of the Guards that I was to
swear to a man. I then said that I could not and that I bad
,Zot- _ _

_Witnes:—A

:3,7z Who went with you ?
• WzaTriscAN—Who elGz. ?—Witness—No one"
:4r. WArrrisiAx—Did you see any Magistrate ?
Witness—l saw some Gentlemen in plain clothes.
NZ. WAITIIMAN—IYA any of them accompany or speak to
-you P—Witness—•-Yes.
Mr. WATTFIKA:;--What Id they say ?
a;,,mess—They sexed for my namc.
Mr. lATarnistivs—Did they accompany you the-whole of
yr.::: way before the soldiers ?
Wituess—No ; only part of the way.
WAlTErsinif---Did you see any other person ?
WiLnev—No.
lq.s.yrifscAN—Did the people who were at the door of
the Barrack-yarci accompany you ?
Witness—No ; they were not admitted till the tickets had
been examined.
Kr, WArritsitAx—Did you mix with them ?
--gitness —No.
WArrrauttw—When you presented yourself, did they
Asirr:u whether you had been examined ?
Witiess—l don't recollect any question to that effect.
hr. WAITHMAN—Was you asked to identify any of the
ssidiers ?—Witness—No.
The CORONER—Did you not see Lieut. Gxe in the line ?
Wituess—No, I did not see him.
?fr. WAITIMAN—Wa,s you asked if you could identify any
else t

:iiitneen—No, I said I had not been sworn, and I could not
identify any person.
Kr. WAITWKAN—Did not you go all through the line?
• Witnes7,—No, I went up the front of the middle ranks.
Mr. Wartriaraar—Do you mean to swear that you was told
:61 you was to swear to the man ?
Wit ness—l understood so ; but was not told.
VI-A:Tux/of—Did you see Lieutenant Gore shoot a
rn‘n, cinee you are so accurate an observer of the number of
store.% and ;:f the people ?
• Winess—i did not.
A. Juryman—l have no doubt that you know Lieutenant
fore well. Did you see any person in the ranks, who much
reccinLied Lieutenant Gore in person ?—Witness—No.
cc r. 'WAIT Ea' KAti—Did you see any other officer in Oxford.
recd-wborn you knew by name.?-,Witriess—No.
A Jurs.7—Did you see any other officer on that day ?—No.
PGronan—lt acems that some questions you answer very
.readily, Wilde others require a little deliberation.
A.Juror—Do you know Sir Robert Baker' • -
Witncsa—rdo not know any 51agistrate.
A. Juror—Did you see any. of the • soldiers riding about to
c.l.7ar the r.treek; ?—I saw them riding about.
Juror—Did you sec then riding upon the pavement ?
imecs—r saw one man upon the pavement.
A. Jurcr—Did he appear to be attacking the people ?
Witness —lie did not appear to be using his sword.
A Juror—Did it then appear to you that one man only
penne this 'aet mob ?
Witsw.s--There was several soldiers riding about; could
not epeak correctly as to the time which was c carp:Led in turning
the hentc,o heads down and up Oxford-Otrcet ; never heard the
hart Ac read; heard the cry of murder plainly,
Ey the Foreman—Did you
_ not go wit:lithe intention of not
reezenizing any body ?—No.
A. Jurer—nia you see any other persons who had been p 2.-
saittf-, and who were in the same situation. ?—A. Don't know,
as had no conversation with any one;
Q. You said you went half way down, did you return hsck
A- No ;.T. went out at the other gate.; F. told the Ger tie.-nan in
plain clothes that r could not swear to a man.
O. Had you .an opportunity of seeing the fac% of the se!.
dims previous to-being led through the ranks ?—A. I could sce
them but partially.
Mr. WAIT 'fir/at—lf ad you not • seen gr. Efar.son Precious
your I;tinig lummoned to tbe public-house at Pa ightw:.rio ;a ?
vti'ittima—No, r had not.
WLiTrIMAii —Have you not said to a person vriti:in
tkrftlasurs, " What, does 114r...Uar.son want me again, after
kvping rne sin hours yesterday I"
Witness—l did make some remarks to a Gender:ma
summoned me.
ar. WAlTlTiCkbr—Win you swear that you did not ram-
tionAfr. ffanseres name ?
Witness—/ 'will not swear thatl did not mention Mr. Ilan-
aeries- name.
'Marcus Calder, porter at the Hyde Pork Flo-
a4 remembered an Officer corning to the house

on the 14th August, and ordering his master to
sent a quantity of 13 pints of beer, being a pint
to each man, as witness counted them when he
went out. Sorne'time afterwards he saw a ter-
rible sight of people coming up Park-lane, when
his master's son called to him to put up the shut-
ters. In doing its he was surprised by the crowd,
which came very quick, and he called to his mas-
ter's son to assist• him. Having put up all the
shutters and shut the door, he followed the whole
family up stairs. The first thing which attracted
his ❑otice on looking out of the window, was the
soldiers with drawn swords, riding and cutting
among the people. One was right on the pave-
ment, and spurred his horse to trample on the
people. About this time he saw the hearse
corning into Oxford-street from Cumberland-
gate. Some men laid hold of the horse's heads,
as if to get the hearse down Oxford-street. A
man with colon's in his hands close by the hearse
was knocked down. lie could ❑ot say by whom,
as he only saw the• man get up, and lift his co-
lours. At the same time the people were throw-
ing bricks at the soldiers; he went away from the
window that he might not see the people cut down
by their swords ; he then heard firing 2 or 3 mi-
❑utes after; went to the window and saw a man
carried past in a lifeless state ; ran down stairs,
went into the room where his master's son was
(the last witness) and told him to keep his head
within the window for fear of being shot; a lady
was with him who thanked him ; w e►:t up stairs
to the third floor, looked out of the window and
saw some soldiers close by the turnpike ; as well
as he could see they had for Med themselves into
a square, as he sew seseral of their backs, and
appeared to be firing in different directions ; did
not see any bricks thrown► at the 'time of the
firing. Then the procession passed on, and the
• people dispersed in different directions ; did not
hear the Riot Act read ; did not see any peace
officers expostulating with the people. Saw his
master's son looking out of the window below
him. When the officer came to order the beer,
he mentioned his name, and he said his name was
Gore. He had no summons to attend KThights-
bridge. His master had es t had any conversation
with him previous to his coming. If his master
had told him-what to say, it would have been of
-sio use. Does not know Major Gore.
By Mr. HAssoN.—His master was upstairs
two or three minutes before he came up. Stopped
a little time from the window, and then went to
the window again, when he heard the firing, after
which he went down to tell his master •to avoid
the danger. Saw a soldier down below his horse,
but can't say how he came there. Can't, tell
whether his cloak was blue or red, but if his
sight did not deceive him, it was blue. Saw some
of the red cloaks struck by stones before the
firing. No part of the procession had passed
Cumberland-gate when he first went to the win-
dow. The gates were then shut.

By Mr. NV T EINIAN—Di d not continue many
minutes before he came down—not five minutes.
Did not see deceased throw any stones. Saw no
one fire, but heard the shots ; saw no pistols
flash, saw the deceased zo past; he was tan or
twelve yards from his Master.. If he was to con-
sider the people who came up Park-lace and
other places, he should think there were a
hundred thousand people. This was including
as far as his eye could see. , About Cumberland,
gate there were thousands when the soldiers
commenced firing. Saw a man down with
colours or a banner in his hand ; his .master was
looking out of the window below at that time.
He went away from the window because he did
not like to see the people struck down. Saw
the soldiers brandishing their swords, and
concluded that people would be struck down, al-
though he did not see any knocked down. Does
not know Mr. Gore's father.

By Jurors.--Ha saw the man that was down
get up and wave his colours. He might have
been struck down afterwards, but did not see it.
The procession was there about 20 minutes before
the crowd was dispersed. It was about 10 mi-.
mites from the commencement of the throwing
of brickbats to the commencement of the firing.
The people were crying out " Shame." He ob-
served en the day after the Procession passed,
that there were two larger places broken in the
Park-wall opposite those before.
A. new witness was about to he examined, when
it was represented that Mr. Moore, one of the
Jurors, was extremely unwell, and had been so
for some time, and as it was half-past nine, it
was resolved to adjourn, which was accordingly
done to two o'clock on Friday next:

ADJOURNED INQUEST ON GEOROE FRANCIS.

THIRD DAY.

Yesterday the investigation touching the death
of George Francis, killed in the riot at Cumber-
land-gate on the 14th inst. was renewed, pur-
suant to adjournment, at the Goat Tavern, Pim-
lico.—Tha-CQUQligA.#4ndedsrecisely at three
o'clock, and stated to the Jury, that 'he had re-
ceived another letter from the Secretary of State,
k7hicti was read. t appeared that Mr. Hob-
house, finding it inconvenient for the regiment of
Life Guards to be drawn out at hail-past eleven
o'clock on Tuesday, appointed two o'clock on
the same day for that purpose.—A conversation
then ensued respecting the opportunity afforded
the witnesses to inspect the troops.
Mr, HARt&c.r. stated, that he could prove the
witnesses were kept in the Barrack-yard to a
late hour, and not permitted to see the troops till
the. dusk. A person named Young, whom he
should, call, was ill used, and went away without
seeing them.
Mr. HANSON deprecated the statement made
by Mr. Harmer. Young, or any other witness,
ought to speak for themselves.

The Conotiza then called over the names of
the Jury, and continued the examination.
Joseph flawkesivorth, sworn on a former occa-
sion ot, this inquest, deposed, that he attended
the Barracks of the Horse Guards yesterday at
ten o'clock. On his former examination he said
he thought he should not know the man who
shot the deceased. He only remarked that he
had a pale face. Yesterday he saw the Life
Guards drawn up. The whole regiment was

drawn up four deep. He saw many with pale
faces, but was unable to identify one.
Here one of the Jury observed, that drawing
up the whole regiment was unnecessary.
The letter of Mr. Hobhouse, dated the 20th
inst., was referred to, and it appeared that the
regiment to which the detachment '''belonged,
which did duty at Curnberland--gate on 'Tuesday
the 14th, was to be drawn out.

Mr. iIARMEIt then stated that he was desirous
of examining Young.
Joseph Young was accordingly called, but did
not answer.

William Spratt was next called. The witness
deposed : " I gave testimony here on Monday
I understand I am on oath ; I attended the
Barrack-yard yesterday between eleven and
twelve in the forenoon, but did not see the sol-
diers till near dark ; they ushered us into a room,
a sort of kitchen ; while I sat there I saw the
Officer who shot Honey pass three times ;. all the
witnesses were together ; one man at near five
o'clock insisted on going, and they let him go ;
I considered it a sort of imprisonment ; it was
the first time I ever had a guard of honour ; I
saw the Officer at dusk, about seven o'clock,
when the regiment was called, who I at first con-
sidered the man who shot Honey, but there was
another so much like him.that I could not pos-
sibly identify either ; the Magistrates, Adjutant
and others, hurried me round so fast that I had
not leisure to inspect then] narrowly ; I have no
doubt but I saw the Officer of the Life Guards
who shot Richard Honey."
Mr. HARMER said, every thing done by indi-
viduals who commanded the Horse Guards at
the time the deceased was killed, was evidence
on which the Jury might give their verdict.
There were no accessaries in murder, they were
all principals.
Mr. lIANsoN said the evidence given by the
witness might apply on the Inquest upon Honey,
but it had no relation to Francis.
The witness was then further - examined--I
positively saw the officer. who shot Honey-, go
past the window where I was; the second man,
who resembled the first man, I am confident was
painted. I saw the blooming fresh colour, made
by paint, which made hina resemble the other
Officer.

Mr. HARMER—When you saw the man was
painted. why did you not ask to have his face
washed?—They had all mustachios, at the fune-
ral they had none ; I think they were disguised,
there was only a small portion of the face visi-
ble ; some were muffled up in their cloaks ; I
saw none of the Life Guards on the 14th with
cloaks on. 'When the first Officer passed the w in-
dow, I said that is the man who shot Honey. He
went into the stable. Every seventh or eighth
man yesterday had cloaks on.
A Juror—The muster roll should be brought
here of those who did dtrty on the 14th.

Mr. HARMER thou salt he should propose the
Adjutant of the Life uards be summoned to
attend this Inquest with the muster-roll of the
detachment which did duty on the 14th ; that
would point out the names of the men and Offi-
cers, and the Coroner might summon the Officers.
A Juror—That is the only effectual way of
getting at the fact. •
The Beadle was then sent with a summons to
the Adjutant to attetrd vitt' the muster-iroll con:
taining the names of the Officers and privates
who performed duty at Cumberland-gate on the
14th inst., and also the orderly b00k...
Timothy Norris sworn--I am a Carpenter,.re-
siding at No. 14, Holies-street, Clare-market';-I
was at Cumberland-gate on the morning of the
14th; I went to the Queen's funeral; I was
abreast of the first mourning coach ; there was a
contest about the gate ; I oaw blood on the gate ;
a man on horseback belonging to the proces-
sion came up, and said he would know who
took the blood ; an officer rode up and told him
to go on ; he said he would not, till he knew who
took the blood ; I Was close to the small gate ;
the officer cut at him several times ; he was
wounded, and I saw blood flow from his head ;
did not know. the officer.; there was no peace
officer on the spot; the man was dragged by the
people from the gate—he appeared insensible.
The procession then moved through the gate,
and the people threw stones which they picked
up in the street—they were gravel stones, they
threw mud and stones—any thing they could get ;
large stones were thrown by people in the Park ;
many persons were collected, As soon as the
procession passed through I went away. The
stones were as likely to strike the spectators as
the soldiers. When the Guards found the
stones flying, they turned round, cut a way in
all directions, and about half a minute :after
fired their pistols among the crowd. One of
the soldiers struck me on the hat with the flat
of his sword ; they fired seven or eight times ; I
saw one man (Honey) shot through the heart ;
the people were driven off the ft,otpath, the wall
and the railing ; I did, not see Francis ; the peo-
ple were endeavouring.to .get away in every di-
rection ; heard- noconarmind given,to fire ;no

admonition from the soldiers. After the proces-
sion went past and the firing ceased, it was all
quiet.; when the Life Guards went away every
thing was quiet ; the rnan had been cut and
wounded by the Officer before any stones were
thrown; there was no
.resistance on the part of
the people, except shutting the gate.
Cross-examined by Mr. ILAN-sox—The person
who was cut at the gate rode on a light brown
horse, not a grey horse.
A Juror—Did you hear the Riot Act read ?
A.. Nothing of the.kind ; I never heard any ex-
hortation until I got to Tottenham Court, which
was an hour or two after the firing.
John Field sworn.—l live at 28, New-road,
Sloane-street, Chelsea ; I was in the Park, near
Cumberland-gate, when the procession arrived ;
the procession was stopped at Cumberland-gate.
As I got up to the carriage-road near the gate,
the people were pulling the wall down. I heard
them firing near the Edgware-road. When the
firing commenced I saw the people go behind the
brick wail and throw stones. The wall and rail-
ing were pulled.dowo. I was standing near at
the time. They could, not get stones from the
road on account of the foot soldiers coming up.
The people pulled down Ole wall. 1 saw the

deceased lying on the pavement through the
broken railing. A footman was the first that
came up to him. Saveral other persons then
came up, and he ky as taken from the toll-house
to the hospital. got out of the Park in time to
assist in carrying him from the toll-house to the
hospital.
Oros examined by ,Mr4iANsoN.---Ire,didknot.
assist in pulthig down the railing. If stones had
been thrown from the East of Cumberland Gate
he could not have seen tittni. He could not un-
dertake to say there were not stones thrown be-
fore the firim4 commenced. The deceased said
nothing whikt the witness was conveying him
to St. George's Hospital.