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SUN OFFICE, Seven o'Clock.

SPIRIT a the PUBLIC JOURNALS.

FROM THE EVENING PAPERS OF THIS DAT.
GLOBE.—The O'Driscoll case was last evening
brought before the House of Commons by Mr. Ross.
The facts and circumstances of this monstrous perver-
sion of power by the Irish Government are fresh in the
recollection of the public, from which they will not
speedily be obliterated. The debate in the House of
Peers, in the last week, on Lord Fortescue's motion on
the same subject, had already furnished the defence of
the Government to this charge upon its administration
of the prerogative. There was, therefore, nothing of
novelty in the discussion of last evening. The debate
was not, however, devoid of interest ; nor will it be
without its effect. The Government may show itself
alike deaf to the voice of reason and prudence ; it may
even manifest a stolid indifference both to the estimation
in which its character is held in this country, and to the
eangers which the impolicy of its rule tt nds to produce in
the sister kingdom. But it is impossible for the repeated
invtances of fatuity which the Government is constantly
exhibiting in Ireland—and in matters intimately con-
nected with the cause of the dissatisfaction which per-
. %sides the mass of the population in that land of misrule
—to be exposed to public view, without producing a
. powerful effect on the thinking part of the community
in both countries. Ministers may for a time succeed in
obtaining Parliamentary majorities when their Irish
policy is impugned in Parliament ; but the effect upon
. the public mind does not pass away with the division.
The facts remain—memorials of the treatment which
statesmen, as they call themselves, deem it consistent
with their reputation as a Ministry, and with the safety
oF a country they undertake to govern, to adopt toward
a sensitive and, at present, provoked and suffering peo-
ple. It is not, therefore, a needless labour—a waste of
tune and words, as some of the Ministerial journals in-
timate, and would willingly induce a belief—to iterate
the facts of such instances of misgovernment. The
public mind is thus saturated with proofs of the indis-
position or incapacity of Ministers to preserve peace and
security in Ireland—they leave the House of Commons
without excuse, if it persist in supporting them in a
. course fraught with danger and diigrace—and they will
at length, if slowly, yet surely, induce that reaction in
the constituencies which will deprive the men who now
abuse the power with which they have been entrusted,
of further opportunities of mischief. We therefore invite
attention to the debate of last evening, as one which
compensates by the importance of its caracter for the
absence of novelty. The conduct of the Govern-
ment in the case of an individual magistrate
is indicative of the spirit by which it is ac-
tuated with reference to the body of the magistracy
in Ireland. The good of the people—the equit-
able and satisfactory administration of the laws among
the entire community—the determination to preserve
the law from the reproach to which unworthy or un-
suitable magistrates expose it in the estimation of the
people—these are not the considerations that prevail
with our present rulers. An O'Brien, who had made him-
self conspicuous as a renegade repealer; who recently
. bes'avered O'Connell with laudations as the saviour
et his country, and repeal as the only means by which
its salvation could be secured; but who has become the
vituperator of the leader and the cause which he so
lately espeut ed—this man was selected by the Govern-
ment for a stipetidiary magistrate ! That the people
would Lave no confidence in his administration was re-
garded as of no importance by those who selected him.
The object was to offer a bounty to renegades ; and to
exhibit Mr. O'Brien as a specimen of the qualities
which the Government was disposed to purchase,
in ord,r to eneoura/4e their appearance in the
market. Mr. O'Driscoll was superseded by the Lord
Chancellor for a series of acts, for any one of which
his name would have been removed from the com-
mission by any Government worthy of the name. But
his cause aas taken up by the party which in Ireland
has invariably dictated to Tory Governments what they
should do, end what they should not do, in such matter=.
The Castle, thus coerced, proved too strong for the
Chancellor. The man who had shown himself irs
capable of restraing his hands from violence, and his
tongue from insulting the magistrates on the bench who
were compelled to visit his violence with a fine—this
intemperate and reckless man, who had acted as e
judge in a case in which he was also the accuser and
the witness—and (contrary to the Petty Sessions Act)
chose his own house as the scene of the monstrous exhi-
bition—who in the case of his tenant, Sullivan, had
shovin himself the ta rent of his little demesne, as cruel
a:3 he was unjust—this man, whose complicated
demerits would disgrace any Bench of justice, grid
who was righteoutly dismissed from the magis-
traey as unlit to remain a member of the body—
was six months afterwards reinstated, on the memorial
of a set of partisans who sympathised with him in his
ilisrnissel, and who apprehended that if magistrates were
too severely dealt with for such peccadillos as those Mr.
A. O'Driscoll had committed. that a sufficient number of
" gentlemen " would not be found to perform the duties
of magistrates insthe " wild districts" of Ireland !
STANDARD.—The case of Mr. O'Driscoll's re-
appointment to the magistracy was again dragged for-
ward by a Mr. Ross, who appears, by the Parliamentary
list to be a Member fur Belfast, but of whom we know
nothing more. The motion of Mr. Ross, which was for
an-address to remove Mr. O'Driscoll, was seconded by
• Mr. Dillon Browne, of whom we do remember that
he was returned for Mayo shortly after the
jiNinido Archbishop of Tuain, M'Hale, boasted
• 4,,x ills power to return " two cowboys" for the
_county in question. But whether Mr. Dillon Browne
was or was not returned by an extreme exercise of that
• ' pOWer we have no means by which to decide. We should
owe an ap..logy to our readers for again adverting to
this trumpery grievance, notwithstanding that the Home-
thought it deservinc, of a grave debate upon the very
night on which the Appropriation Act was announced—
that death-warning of the session—we should, we say,
.owe an apology for again adverting to this
trumpery grievance, were it not that the Irish Romanist
Blembers imparted to the discussion a new and amusing
c. haracter, by raising a contrast between the case of Mr.
tne-Iriseoll and that of the dismissed repeal magis-
trates. . Let us for a moment follow up this
contrast. Of what has Mr. O'Driscoll been guilty ?
Of certairt personal delinquencies—delinquencies not
committed in his judicial capacity, or in his po-
litical character, as a public officer. Thee
q,i neips have , been, in our judgment, greatly overrated
sin both sides ; but all at least admit this, that they affix
sto :stain of dishonesty, dishonour, or disloyalty, or of
y thing but defect of temper, and perhaps of conven-
fiesta' good manners. Mr. O'Driscoll is, in fact, accused
of nothing which many good men and loyal subjects have
net done, are not doirg, and will not continue to do,
au the end of time. Now, let us turn to the repea:
magistrates. Having taken the oath of allegiance
tin men have promoted or attended monster meet
Inge, which it wss their sworn duty to prevent or to
disperse. Having also sworn to prevent to the utmost
or their power the commission of all treasons, felonies,
and misdemeanours, they have allied themselves
to a conspiracy, the proposed end of which
cannot, as they have been assured by both
the Crown and the Parliament, be accomplished but
by successful treason. They have allied them-
:steels to a conspiracy, the daily acts of which, as the re-
ehrds of the Irish Court of Queen's Bench show, were
aiederneanours of the very highest class—rnisdernes-
te ars closely approximating to the crime of tree-
SOTI 'taelf— and of this amount of perfidy and crime
tli ey I,
.Div been guilty, in defiance of repeated friendly
of the Executive. Why, if the gee,-
liticstions for a magistrate were simply negative,
these otrlvi•lrs who have so positively, as well
as ,:candalotra-ISh violated their duty as subjects ought not
to be ineb,u,,d in the commission of the peace. But the
mag.striite are not merely negative—
wia?ificatious
.1: is his duty to enforce the law, and, therefore, it is
hi i necessary iv/edification to he cordially disposed
to assert the htiv's authority—further, it is his
41,,t): to co-operate sincerely and zealousy with
the Executive in preserving the public peace, aid
providing against whatever can endanger the public
peace. But can such z: alous co-operation be reasoealshe
,expected from men who urge the people to unite
f; an object which the Sovereign and the Legis-
p :ti, have ag-Lin declared shall be resisted eve::
hsy. arms if 'necessary ? The repealers are not.
merel unqualified for the commission of the peace,
the - ire disqualified by their own acts. And we
d„ not bon, ..ate to say, that in case of necessity, it
„„111,1 he in, elm more proper to replace the dismissed
rep„ ley, by w.many woolly-headed blacks from Ja-
me= than r„ tore them. In general intelligence
awl decency. .conduct the negroes might have bet
a small advantakees though they probably would have
skittle ; but in the ,freedom from disqualifying guilt,
they would have g clear end decided superiority.
Mr. Daniell O'Conneh' is one of the iii missed.
Would altesses. Ross And Sheil and Dillon Browns
propose to ',meal the list seith his name ? By the way,
when the restoration of Mr. O'Driscoll, unconvicted of
any offence alum- grave than a trifling assault, is made
the subjects or complaint, it ought to be remem-
bered that the Whigs placed Mr. O'Connell in
stile cernmisek:on of the peace after his conviction,
etleon a plea of guilty, of a seditious misdemeanour, and
t. rt him to take the highest seat upon the
eve .n proposed
8,..ne, 1. One word more. Is the session to
tie
st
w
tu ithout calling the attention of
Parliament to the i..roseccution of Mr. Fry, at Roscom-
mon? WI tat, are due Irish _Protestant Members about?

Captain PECHELL gave notice that he would, to-
morrow, move for a return of the ;union workhouses in
which mills or machinery for the crushing of bones have
been ercetA, together with the date of thir erection.
HEALTH OF TOWNS.
Mr. MACKINNON gave notice that he would, on
Tuesday, the 30th of July, call the attention of tl e
House to the report of the Committee on the Health of
Towns, and also to the report of the Ecclesiastical Com-
missioners, signed by the Archbishop of Canterbury and
the Bishop of London, in which it was stated that the
burial of persons in churchyards in towns was injurious.
GAMING.
Mr. BOUVERIE gave notice that he would move that
a message be sent to the House of Lords, to ask for the
report of the Select Committee on Gaming.
CUSTOMS FRAUDS—PRINTING OF TITE RE-
PORT FOR THE USE OF MEMBERS.
Mr. HUME said that after he left the House last
night a resolution had been come to that the report on
the Customs Frauds should be printed for the use of
Members only. He should like to know what was the
meaning of those words for the use of Members only ?
or what would be the consequence if it fell into the
hands of another parson ? He only wanted to know
what was the feeling of the House.
Sir J. GRAHAM said it was thought more expe-
dient by the House that the report should be trinted for
the use of Members only.
Mr. HUME said it was altogether novel.
Sir J. G IZA HAM—It was by no meansnov 1, for many
petitions had been printed for the use of Members only-
Mr. HUNCOMBE said he had altered the motion he
made last maht, for the publication of the evidence, at
the suggestion of the Chancellor of the Exchequer,
though he stated at the time that it was a most
absurd proposition. Suppose the report were ly-
ieg on his (Mr. Duncombe's) table, and a gentleman
should take hold of this blue book, was he- to sa),
" Don't touch that, it is for the use oiMembers only; if
370 u do, I shall call a policeman."—(Hear, hear, and
laughter.) He really wished to know whether
they were to keep this blue book locked up
in their desks or drawers and not show to any indi-
vidual but some other Member of the House of Commons.
When that House ceased its labours what was to become
of these blue books ? They were for the usa of Mem-
bers only, that was for the use of Members of that
House. The public would be much disappointed at the
determination which the House had come to last night,
and he hoped the Government would reconsider the re-
solution and do as it had done on a former occasion,
induce the House to rescind it.—(Loud laughter.)
When the evidence was first printed, it was done o;.
condition that only 'one copy should be placed in tl-2,,
library of the House. The Chancellor of the Exche-
quer had now censentcd to print 658 copies, for the use
of Hon. Members only. He now asked him to go one
step further, and print it for the use of the public
altogether. He wished to know whether he should be
guilty of a breach of privilege if he allowed any indivi-
dual to sea this book, except Members of the House
of Commons ? The resolution completely defeated
the object of a Bill brought into that House, to
enable it to sell its reports and documents. Sup-
pose the newspapers should publish any portion
of this evidence. He supposed they would be liable to
an action; but if he (Mr. Duncombe) were to publish it,
he wanted to know if he would be liable
to an action for libel ? (An Hon. Member—" Yes.")
Then what was the use of the publication ? There
never was so absurd a proposition as that of limiting the
perusal of the evidence. As he should not be able,
perhaps, to obtain another day, he gave notice that on
going into Committee of Ways and Means he should ask
tbv Chancellor of Op Exchequer to go one step further

THE L ATE FATAL OCCURRENCE
AT BLACKFRIARS-BIUDGE.
(Ct ontinued from our Afternoon Edition.)
By a jut or—lt might be half-past seven, or twenty
minutes to sight o'clock when he went ou. There was no
trash, all SIN at. quite easy. He did not see many where he
was. fie tt ook the children with him to see the rowing
match. He ; is not deaf; and did not hear guns firing, or
-tbe bridge c ra ck, or the last witness make any observation.
He was pull-3,4 out by one of the pier-men.
Francis Tapp ty said he was a fish-salesman, in Lower
'f ham es-stre at, and had just landed from one of the iron
boats. He wag, standing nn the bridge; at least he had
4one loot on it. . He beard en observation that the boats
were about ssartin g; and turn:ng round, he looked towards
the river. At. the same moment the bridge gave way. He
should say, that th ere were from e:ghty to one hundred on
the wooden bridge :altogether.
The CORWElt—tHow persons differ in their estimate of
numbers.
jtop. god. for some minutes, and therefore bad an
i
' 4ging. The principal persons on the bridge
t 611.! the rowing, and he never saw persons
up and down the stairs, than they were.
broke, most of the persons ran back, but
f•irntki, • • • orward, and was instrumental in dragging
• • ge fell right in half. Part rested against
01
. 414,1 He thought there might be sixteen persons
',l4lMt• .-114
\23,1 Rhoda was picked out by a person baa

Mr. T. DUNCOMBE objected to the Bill that it gave
too much additional power to the police.
Mr. COWPER defended the Bill, which was
called for by the accounts made public last year
of the cruelties practised in the knackers' yards.
All that the Bill proposed to do was, to give justices in
Quarter Sessions a power of cancelhng licenses, where
cruelty was carried on in knacker's yards. He believed
that it was a common practice, where horses were
stolen, and the party had information where they were,
to break the horses' legs, in order that they might state
that they came there in that condition. He proposed
therefore to give the police the power of inspecting these
yards. He hoped, therefore, that the Right Honourable
Baronet would allow the Bill to pass through its present
stage.
Mr. B. ESCOTT disbelieved many of the statements
that had been made to the Hon. Member, because he
could not see why people should be guilty of the act o►
cruelty that had been alluded to ; but supposing they
were true nnder the present law parties could be
prosecuted. He hoped the Hon. Member would wait to
see whether it was intended to go on with the Bill or not.
Mr. MACKINNON thought the Hon. Member for
Winchester was labouring under a mistake. The report
of the Commissioners would not interfere with this Bill.
His Honourable Friend the Member for Hertford was
deserving of great credit, for the manner in
which he had braved public ridicule in bring-
ing forward this Bill, which was supporte I
by the Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to
Animals. Many of the lion. Member for Finsbury's
constituents belongeTto that society, and he would find
it better to have their support than to cury favour with
the keepers ofknackers-yards. lithe Hon.Memberwas fond
of sausages he might run the risk of having horse-
sausages. He could corroborate all that had been stated
with regard to the crueities practiced in knackers' yards.
Mr. 'l'. DUNCOMBE said that if the Hon. Member
thought he was a better judge of the interests of his
constituents than himself, he had better offer his
services to them—(A laugh)—but as long as they did
him the honour to entrust their interests in his hands,
he must be permitted to judge for himself. It was ad-
mitted at last that this Bill was an emanation from the
Society for the Suppression of Cruelty to Ani-
mals, and on that ground he objected to it.
—(Hear.) There were many of those societies
in this town which employed themselves in meddling
with everybody's business but their own.—(Cheers and
laughter.) And it would be better if they attended to
their own business.—(A laugh.) Tne Bill contained
several vexatious provisions, and the Hon. Gentleman
who had, on the advice of his Hon. Friend kept postpon-
ing his motion on Prison Discipline until it was a perfect
farce of him to ask for a Committee, he could not du
better than recommend his Hon. Friend to follow his ad-
vice, and postpone his Bill. Policemen were to
have power to enter yards, and to ascertain if
horses and cattle had a sufficient quantity of nutritious
food and water, and if they had not, they must order ;Ai
for them, and charge the owner double. By the inter-
pretation clause it appeared that cattle meant oxen,
pigs, or goats. Fancy a policeman being empowered
to ascertain if one's pigs or one's goats had a sufficien
quantity of food.
Mr. COWPER—The Bill does not apply to cattle in
tended for human food.

Mr. DUNCOMBE—Why, his Hon. Friend had talked
of horse sausages, which he might get in
Marylebone, but which were not made in Fins-
bury. This was a piece of pettifogging vexatious
legislation like the Lap Dog Committee, and he should
move that the Chairman report progress, and ask leave
to sit again when the Committee's reports should be
presented.

- Mr. COWPER said that would be postponing the
Bill altogether.
After some further observations from several Hon.
Members, the Committee divided, when there ap-
peared—

For the motion ll
Against it
Majority against the motion -93
The House then went into Committee on the Bill.
[LEFT SITTING.]

THE svN, LONDON. WEDNESDAY EVENING, itTLY 24, 1844.

Lord STANLEY said, with regard to the conse- J. Taylor, waiter, Paddington, July 29, at eleven, at the
quences which would follow the publication of the 1 Court of Bankruptcy. Graham, official assignee.
evidence, by the Honourable Member himself, he ' W. Massingham, watch maker, King's Lynn, Norfolk,
had better take legal advice. This restriction of July 29, at eleven, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Turquand,
the evidence to Honourable Members themselves arose, official.k.srtnganee.
I
as his Right Honourable Friend had stated, from the July 29, at eleven, at the Court of Bankruptcy. attorney-at-law, Bank-chambers,
Lothbury,
Turquand,
grievous injustice that would be felt under certain cir-
official assignee.
cumstances if the House of Commons were by authority J. T. Farnell, schoolmaster, Norwich, July 29, at eleven, at
made the medium of circulating public libels. The Hon. the Court of Bankruptcy. Graham, official assignee.
Gentleman mustrecollect the embarrassing case which oc- P. S. Parkin, accountant, Piccadilly, July 27, at eleven, at
curred some years ago from the publication, by the House the Court of Bankruptcy. Follett, official assignee.
of what was considered a libel. He apprehended that T. Badger, carpenter, Hatton-garden, Holborn, July 27, at
the newspapers would nut be affected in any way, be.- eleven, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Green, official assignee.
cause they were liable for what they published under any
J. Froggett, trimming manufacturer, Phosnix-street, Spital-
circumstances. The House of Commons reserved to itself
fields, July. 27, at eleven, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Follett,
th right of publication for the use of its members, in or- J. aIT astie, gnee. Turtle, k cow
der to guide them in forming their opinions, but for that eeper, James-street, Lower-road, Clapham,
July 27, at eleven, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Follett, official
purpose it was not necessary to publish generally any
assignee.
matters reflecting on private individuals. C. Eaton, carpenter, Henry-street, Portland-town, July 27,
Sir C. NAPIER said the Noble Lord had declined at eleven, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Green, official assignee.
gibing his Hon. Friend any legal opinion. He wished T. Merritt, coach maker, Pump-row, City-road, July 27, at
to ask whether the Solicitor-General would refuse to eleven, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Green, official assignee.
do so ? T. Price, otherwise T. Pryce, licensed victualler, Shrews-
The SOLICITOR GENERAL—Certainly not. bury, Shropshire, Aug. 2, at eleven, at the Birmingham Dis-
Sir T. DUNCOAIBE said that the House was mono-
trice Court. Christie, official assignee.
polizing the property of newspapers. DIVIDENDS.
The conversation then dropped. At the Court of Bankruptcy, Basinghall-street.
HORSE SLAUGHTERING BILL. W. H. Nash and %V. Gardiner, drapers, Exeter, Aug. 16,
On the order of the day for the second reading of this at twelve.
Bill,

In the Country.

T. H. Wetmore. grocer, Worceste;, Aug. 15, at eleven, a,
the Birmingham District Court—E. Pritchard, wine-mer-
chant, Liverpool, Aug. 14, at twelve, at the Manchester Dis-
trict Court—S. Speakman, ship-builder, Preston, Lancashire,
Aug. 16, at twelve, at the Manchester District Court—D.
Smith, worsted-manufacturer, Halifax, Yorkshire, Aug. 16,
at eleven, at the Leeds District Court—H. H. Wright, Shiff-
nal, Shropshire, cattle-dealer, Aug. 15, at eleven, at the
Birmingham District Court—J. Dixon, mercer, Wellington,
Shropshire, Aug. 15, at eleven, at the Birmingham District
Court—C. Scott, currier, Newcastle-under-Lyme, ...Stafford-
shire, Aug. 17, at twelve, at the Birmingham District Court—
W. Southam, miller,Walsall, Staffordshire, Aug. 17, at twelve,
at the Birmingham District Court—T. W. Jones. draper, Wel-
lington, Shropshire, Aug. 17, at eleven, at the Birmingham
District Court.

CERTIFICATES to be granted, unless cause be shown to the
contrary, on the day herein-mentioned.
B. Land, victualler, St. Alban's, Hertfordshire, Aug. 16
--W. H. Nash and W. Gardiner, drapers, Exeter, Aug. 16--
T. Stephens, umbrella-manufacturer, Newgatc-street, City,
Aug. 15—J. B. Lord and M. Coghlan, woollen-eloth-manu-
fac:urers, Admondbury, Yorkshire, Aug. 14—W. Gray, wine-
merchant, Sheffield, Aug. 16—J. Brown, fustian-manufactu-
rer, Manchester, Aug. 14--R. Ellis, laceman, Manchester,
Aug. 14—W. Bradley, ironmonger, Leeds, Aug. 13—S.
Woodroffe, wine-merchant, Chepstow, Monmouthshire, Aug.
13—A. Sillitoe, innkeeper, Sudbury, Suffolk, Aug. 13—D.
Robertson, merchant, Liverpool, Aug. 13—J. Bird, watch-
manufacturer, St. John's-square, Clerkenwell, Aug. 13—S.
Symonds, sen., and S. Symonds, jun., woollen-factors, Basing-
hall-street, City, Aug. 13—J. Aldersey, jun., broker, Liver-
pool, Aug. 13.

Mr. TWYFORD said if the case went before a jury the ex-
cuse of a mistaken sense of duty would be of very little avail,
and, as the case was of a novel nature, he would consult the
Chief Magistrate before he would give his decision.
Mr. Hogg said the subject seemed to involve a very extra-
ordinary principle, and he thought it right, upon public
grounds, to bring it before the Court.
The parties thn left the Court.
WORSHIP-STREET.
Yesterday James Elliott, a middle-aged man of very ec-
centric appearance, whose clothes were much disordered, who
wore a large gold cross suspended by a riband from his neck,
and who bore an open Bible in his hand, was placed at the
bar, before Mr. Bingham, charged with knocking at the
doors of several respectable inhabitants of Hoxton, without
having a reasonable excuse for so doing.
The defendant is well known in his neighbourhood, and
considered a lunatic. Some time ago he was removed to the
Islington workhouse, and kept in confinement, and afterwards
obtained 4001. damages in the Court of Common Pleas for
false imprisonment.
On being placed at the bar yesterday,
Mr. Vine, the chief clerk, asked, "Is your name James
Elliott ?" Defendant (delivering the whole sentence with
extreme rapidity before he could be stopped)—Yes, James
Elliott. Who gave you that name? My godfathers and
godmothers, &c. The defendant was proceeding but was
stopped by
Sergeant Dubois. who gave a lour, list of annoyances which
various persons had been subjected' to by the defendant, in
his vagaries ; some of them of a malignant and violent, others
of a ludicrous character.
Mr. BLNGHAM asked the defendant if he wished to say any-
thing? The defendant—Yes, I do. It is all perfectly true
what they say against me ; but the fact was, I was as drunk
as a fiddler.

The sergeant said he had made inquiry, and found the de-
fendant's connexions highly respectable.
Defendant—Never mind that. You see, Sir (to the Magis-
trate) I have been travelling abroad for the last twenty-two
years, and only returned to England last night. I came
home in company with a very queer gentleman, who I rather
think was the Pope of Rome, but I lost him somehow, and
where he went to I can't tell ; but I'm sure he went to a place
too hot to hold him.—(Laughter.)
Mr. BINGHAM ordered him to pay a fine of 205., or a week's
imprisonment in the House of Correction.
Defendant said he had not twenty farthings, but would
read the Magistrate a chapter out of the Bible worth 20/.,
which he said was the same thing. He was about to do so,
when he was removed by Sergeant Dubois, whom, when in
the yard, he struck a violent blow on the back of the head
with the Bible, which nearly knocked him over a pile of
ladders, at the same time exclaiming, " So you won't listen
to the word of God, won't you ? Then, d—n you, I'll make
you feel it." He was instantly secured, and locked up.
DRURY-LANE THEATRE.

On Monday the annual meeting of the Proprietors of
this theatre was held in the saloon. A large number of
Proprietors were present, and the Earl of Glengall was
voted to the Chair. The Noble Earl was supported by
Major Naylor, Captain Spencer, Captain Grover, Mr.
Ramsbottom, M.P. ; Mr. Benjamin Bond Cabbell, Mr.
Gregory, Mr. George Robins, Mr. Grenfell, and other
gentlemen.
The CHAIRMAN, after some introductory remarks,
called on the Secretary, Mr. Dunn, to read the report.
It was as follows :
" After the failure of the last lesseeship, and the heavy
losses which thereby immediately fell, not only on Mr.
Macready, as stated by himself; but through him also
on the Company of Proprietors during the two years
when the theatre was managed by that gentleman (a
failure which necessarily deprived the Committee of the
means of meeting engagements which they would will-
ingly have kept with the various parties connected with
this property), it is cheering to turn to the success which
has attended the efforts of the present management
during the past season.
" The Committee have, therefore, the satisfaction to
announce to the assembly, that almost all the difficulties
under which the property laboured last year have dis-
appeared, and that the debts owing at that period, if not
altogether discharged, are, at least, placed in such a
train of liquidation, as that no doubt is entertained by
the Committee of their being shortly extinguished, as
far, at least, as the annual current expenses are concerned.
" It has, however, been no ordinary task to bring
about this favourable result under the present !tate or
public taste, and at a period when every species of
theatrical property and enterprise have declined so much
in value and public estimation. Nevertheless the lessee
has, throughout the season, so managed, as effectually to
meet the supposed alteration in the theatrical taste of ,
the times.

" Mr. Bunn has, therefore, of necessity directed his
main efforts so as to render music and native talent, as
far as possible, subservient to the purpose of securing
the applause of the public. This he has ultimately
achieved, but in order fully to accomplish his object he
has been also obliged to resort to the costly assistance of
some celebratedartistes which the Continent could supply.
"The Committee have to state that the conditions sti-
pulated to be performed by the lessee under the agree-
ment with the Committee have been strictly fulfilled, and
the reports from the several departments throughout the
theatre represent the value of the stock as having been
kept up to a corresronding amount with the period at
which Mr. Bunn commenced his undertaking. An in-
ventory of the furniture, fixtures, and scenery, of the
theatre has been made by Mr. Beazley, the architect ;
the advantage of which is so obvious, and the document
on reference to it will, upon that point, speak for itself.
At the same time, the larger sum of money which was
allowed Mr. Macready from the funds of the proprietory
during the last lesseeship, in addition to his own outlay
upon his stage management, ought, the Committee
thinks, to have left the theatre in a much better working
condition than it was found to be by Mr. Bunn, when he
entered upon the theatre at the close of Mr. Macready's
management.
" The Committee have now to call the attention of
the assembly to the annual statement of the accounts,
which have been regularly audited by Major Naylor.
The favourable result of the last season has 'induced
the Committee to conclude an agreement for a fur-
ther term of three years with Mr. Bunn, determinable,
at the option of either party, at the end of the first; and
they trust that, with the renewed exertions of the les-
see, a still more favourable season may be anticipated
in that which is to come."
The financial statement appended to the report gives
tLe gross amount of the receipts of the year at 4,9601.
4s, ; the expenditure less by 5961. It was further
stated that the Proprietors had paid the Renters' trus-
tees the sum of 1,2851 at the rate of 51. per night (243

cf th symptom of lunacy, a pain in the head, was am°,s .I,e
humbler classes entirely neg!ected ; and medical ii7,d,
seldom resorted to until the insanity became contit.
He did not hesitate to say, that if a proper and tenii,
course of treatment were resorted to, there would n°l'
more than two-thirds of the present number of confirmed
lunatics.—(Hear, hear.) He condemned severaloPe;
sages of the CoMmissioners' report, as tending to
mode of
an unfavourable and erroneous opinion of the toNeel.,
treatment at Hanwell, and also that part of the royle
which spoke lightly of that system, and so kindly t time.
abettors by which and by whom those unfortunate
mented creatures were subjected to the most cruel treat
meat. The Hon. Gentleman concluded by expressio ifr
hope that the Government measure would bring
.1.1,..n0u5e,
the surveillance of the inspectors those private osnow•
in which single lunitics were confined, and who,
0,
ever harshly treated, could not be visited by the insPe
tors under the present law.
was Lordu ndEe tio° in a
o to sanys answer
that
o the
the provisionsque sti on o fMr
of
th.
eS,phfe
posed measure would be extended to that country ; *,e
1
that a central asylum would be established for '
auper lunatics there.
tio.
Mnr. WYSE expressed his satisfaction at this infor:r
Mr. VERNON SMITH wished to say a few w b,
The manner in which the Noble Lord took up this suet
0
ject did him the highest credit. They were all agreed
to the necessity aasY
early admitting paupers to w
ts'
but the difficulty was that they lied no power of co
the
palling the relatives of the lunatic to send him to
le
asylum, and the parish officers did not wish, in that Ott
to send him to the asylum. He hoped the Governor;
would turn their attention to the nest means of ee,.„
pelling the relatives of a lunatic to send him to an esi,
lum. He agreed with the Noble Lord that they o_ls.
to endeavour to prevent the extension of private asyla7„„
He knew that relatives were unwilling to have it kn°l7f
that a relative of theirs was in a state of lunacy ; 1°
they were more anxious for a cure than for their 001
ilio
private feelings, they would rather send him to a Pa!,
asylum. He also agreed with the Noble Lord thstriej
lunatic asylums ought to be constructed for a Hulot
number of,patients ; but there might be an hospitaL
incurable patients on a large scale. But consideratn
of expense met them at every turn of this question,
the treatment of insane persons on the mild principle Was
attended with greater expense than their treatment o•
the severe system, and that was one of the reasons Ivp!,
the mild system of treatment was not more genera
adopted. But they ought to have an exact definition
what was mild treatment and what was severe treatmet;
for there was a difference amongst medical men as
k
what was mild treatment, and the extent to whiem4rt
ought to be carried. Another point was as to the.,'„
ness of magistrates for visiting lunatic asylums. •04°.,„
he had no hesitation in saying that physicians and la:,
yers would be much better • fitted for the purpose of
170
siting than county magistrates, and this was casting
a,
reflection on the county magistrates, for they were as-
professionally educated on the subject. This was awl,
ter worthy of the attention ofGovernment when theyeit
to-legislate on this subject. With regard to the extens7,
of the powers of the Commission he thought thats„
ought to be extended to Scotland more particularly,
he had lately sees that about 120 lunatics were le",
.. rosin about at large in the Island of Arran. This sc
peared on the testimony of Dr. Hutchinson, and it
state of things which ought to be inquired into. ypith
regard to the number of the Commissioners it would be
a.
well to consider whether the present number was
cient. He was of opinion that paid Commissionevs_a.
ways performed their duty better than unpaid Cour;
sinners ; but on this subject he thought that a stlffieleehe
number of -persons could be got who would pedalo.'
ei
duties of Commissioners gratuitously.—(Laughteibi.
They would not do so for fame, for the persons
..,,,
whom they laboured bad no tongues to speak for then?
selves. But his Noble Friend would not be without old
reward; for his efforts on behalf of the persons afflic!e
with lunacy would bring their own reward. And, 10,
deed, such persons sometimes displayed a sense of grs,i,
tude which sane persons would do well to imitate'
Mr. S. DAVIS made a few observations that Were
totally inaudible in the gallery.
liee
Mr. HAWES thought that the present was a 5°
be well worthy the attention of the Government, and
M t
was anxious to allude to one or two cases, in order to
the OIL Hon. Baronet might consider them beget,
he brought the subject forward in the next session.
Hon. Member then proceeded to state several cases "re
different parts of the eountry where lunatics we j
treated with great cruelty, kept in a state of filthrifir
in many instances flogged till the blood run down IP
bt
backs. He thought that such a state of things 10,
not any longer to be allowed to exist, and that some
quiry ought to be instituted on the subject. visa
Mr. STAFFORD O'BRIEN said that as the evil be
of such magnitude, and that a remedy was necessary,
could not see why there should be a year's delay
the subject. He trusted the Chancellor of the tei'e
quer would enter upon the work forthwith. et
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER thottgo,
that sortie plan ought to be laid before the Governs3,,blic
e
before they could ask for any grant out
of the P-
ss
money. He took as deep an interest in the subject
any Hon. Member.
Sir DENHAM NORREYS did not see why-L,P:a
present
ject should not be considered and decided in tae
r"
session.
•
Mr. GREENE denied that there was any idea °f re:
perseding the jurisdiction of local magistrates with
spect to lunatic asylums by the Commission.
After some observations from Mr. GROGAN and Yr.
monais,
Lord ASHLEY said that he felt the greatest gratifirs.
tion at the.manner in which his motion had been received;
and after the assurance of the Right lion. Baronet, that
he would consider the subject in the next session, °
should withdraw his motion.
The motion was consequently withdrawn.
GUERNSEY,
Mr. T. DUNCOMBE then rose to make the motion of
which he had given notice, for copies of all dispatches
and correspondence that have passed between the ale
vernment and the Lieutenant-Governor of Guernsg
from the Ist day of April to the present time. of
thought there was something due to the people le
Guernsey in the shape of explanation. What the Pe°_„„e
t P complained of was, that in April and May last, a
force was landed on the island. Now, if ever there `pet,
ofaofrl omGyeaurlecr setc aeoLopnhenoadps
kltehe,
de ht
adjacent
de
jbn
,Reeleii
Right
believed et di
sHI iatonnwd,
sa sB, the inhabits°,
that force had been sent from any apprearheenHeseeiotbnwaodballtlibi part of the Government, and the Right Hon. Barone-b„
answer to that question, had stated that he felt it Wea
his duty to send out the force, in consequence of the r"-0.
presentations he had received from the Lieutenantrw
vernor of the island. The troops had now been "91;‘,4
drawn altogether, and he (Mr. Duncombe) was
to believe that the-Government had had representatiO4
_„
made to them that were totally unfounded on fact,
"'"i
that, in short, they had been grossly imposed upon• ds
appeared, that a clergyman, the Rev. Mr. Dobree, Into,
some representations to the Lieutenant-Governor, lie.%
communicated it to the Government, By this rePf
.o,`-
sentation it appeared, that a gentleman named Moues
,"
died at the house of the Rev. Mr. Dobree, making
the rev. gentleman, a confession before his death, to
720
effect that he had been poisoned by some persons Irv,
were confederates with him in a plot to murder the utj
vernor, in consequence of his having resolved to revel
tho conspiracy. A military force was then dispatf"
to Guernsey. A post modem examination of the °"7,4
of Mr. Moulin had been in the mean time directed, 11-0,
the surgeons declared that there was no appears% whatever of his having died by poison. ;(1,
investigation into the circumstances was ordered'
and the Royal Court sat for a considerable
number of days ; Mr. Dobree was examined, and, VI.
that inquiry, the troops had been withdrawn. I°,9* , minor charge of sedition had been brought against the
individuals at the instance of the Crown, but they 'as,t
all three been honourably acquitted by the jury, f'""„
twt
ihaoer
oftehv evidence of Mr. Dobree proved to be totally t'
nt .d
to
ot
joinhad been
with u
the stom
regular of
troops
celebrating 7thofateriesldai
celebrating the birthday of her Majesty. But in cans,a
quence of these cirounistanoes the usual celebration ""e
not .take place, and the militia felt themeelves grate,'
aggrieved at the want of confidence expressed in elle";
He thought it was due to them and the inhabitants Or;
she Government should lay every information 'before tm,e,
House and the public, by producing any ;;orresponden—,
that had taken place between it anti the Lieuten,
Governor with reference to the Z
papera he should move fee
whiwchereth
conspiracy. ,
'..tesproatvteidneddedfowritbhy gthreeaptuebxlippoeinnset,hetbe_tt
only to the occasion ';„,r tehotsreoowhsiewheVaise
wpaoticilhdedh.tvvelttowb'
ytheearH'souessetimwaatsesentaietldedevteonasekn ftohratthesouplerkse.
in order
above all, due to the loyal people of theat island, in -09 ea
to allay the illsfeeling the proceeding might have es ~.
aniTohnge
cithueesmti.onHheavcinogncbleuednedpubyt. moving for the produ
tion of the correspondence.
Sir JAMUS GRAHAM said- he was bound to se°
that the Hoe„ Member had,
ItnsAlatige
assorePoys post aped former
to briljg tias motion at his request,liafer and rbfir
"I:nat he had thought it neceessted
it forward now.. He had Isola
°" more than one occasion that of the loyalt y°l heir
great body of the inhabitants of Guernsey and of toss
attachment to the Crown, there could be no doubt. t
unhappily he did believe that a plot was formed agearvrsy the life of the Governor, which it was intended toc„--ty's
into execution on .the anniversary of her lifkle-Tjae birthday, when • the militia, were assembled. 01
House was fully aware of the character of Gene Napier, the Governor •; a man of stronger nerve 00
firmer mind could not exist, and he was not a Peewit'
light grounds to entertain fears of this kind. dal
information irom the Governor himself about tine
that before the anniversary of her Majesty's birthdaPia
be
there was strong reason to believe an attempt
l'iou ot4 made to carry the object of the conspiracy into etlee"
that day, and on that official information the troops `vverr.
gent. but that was not all. An able legal officer'
Daniel, had been engaged in examining the eviue„se,
. he
and ho allowed that it warranted the supposition o', t
lee
existence of such a plot. It was quite true tbat s
tha
parties had been put upon their trial for it, on--harese
three persons had only been tried upon the minor
of sedition. But he feared that further legal Pr roust still
ings still take place, and indeed they well the
pending. While cases in immediate connection with hi
administration of justice were thus pending, he t-hong
eye
it would be in the highest degree indiscreet to PrQuqie
this correspondence, and he hoped therefore that
Hon. Member would not press his motion, or, if it seijouws
be pressed, he should feel it his duty to refuse the 13'
asked for. •

'
case, as the decision of the Magistrate was .expected to guide nights) in conformity with the agreement made in 1841.
the police in future respecting the course to be pursued by r The report having been confirmed
them regarding deserted children.
I , Mr. GEORGE ROBINS moved a vote of thanks to the
Mr. Hogg stated, that on Tuesday evening, the 21st inst., Sub-Committee of the last year. To their exertions
about seven o'clock, he was returning to Essex-street, ac- !
companied by his wife, her niece, and his children, and, on !were
the Proprietors indebted that the house had beer)
Theatre could not get a tenant at any price, and re-
them surrounded by a mob of persons, among whom was the
turning round to ascertain the cause of their delay at the
opened at all. When they saw that Covent garden
-
corner of Essex-street, he was perfectly astounded at seeing
. fleeted that Drury-lane had be ,ii fortunate in obtaining
defendant. On going up, he found his wife in a very agitated a tenant who had paid every penny of his rent, he (Mr.
state, and with difficulty she informed him that the con- ! Robins) thought the thanks of the Proprietor), were
stable was about to take her to the station -house. He imme- ' eminently due to the gentlemen of the Sub-Committee.
diately accosted the defendant, demanding to know if his ; Mr. Buena had been secured for a term of three years
wife was really in custody, and he replied she was, and that ; longer—a circumstance which added to the obligations
she should accompany him to the station-house. Witness I then heard something about a lost child, there being a child already incurred on the part of the Proprietors to the
1
standing in the crowd at the time, but he did not ask the de- i Sub-Committee. So bright a prospect had not presented
i
fender-it why his wife was in custody, and he appealed to his itself for many years.—(Hear, hear.)
sympathy on her behalf, pointing out that she was far gone Captain GROVER had much pleasure in seconding the
in the family way, surrounded by her four children, of which resolution, which was carrit dby acclamation.
he took no notice, and having procured a cab he had them The Earl of GLENGAIA in returning thanks, was
conveyed to a neighbour's house. He then came to the 'station, desirous of making one or two remarks on the present
and when the charge was taking he thought the inspector on position of affairs. The report had doubtless been in a
duty appeared to sanction such an outrage on the liberty of very high degree satisfactory to the Proprietory, and
the subject.
he thought Mr. Bunn deserved all the eulogium that
In answer to the defendant witness said he did not see him could be passed on him.—(Cf:eers.) It would be reinem-
lay hands on his wife, and he allowed her to go to the station
bored that last year they were in a most perilous position.
in a cab while witness sat on the box.
Mr. Corder observed, that of late cases of deserting children The theatre had been given up to them in a most un-
in the streets were of frequent occurrence, in consequence of expected manner, and had placed the Proprietors in a
whieh the police were obliged to use the utmost precaution, most serious predicament. The arrangements made
and require the parties to accompany them and lay the with the late lessee rendered the fulfilment of it
charge before a superior officer in the usual way. on his part a matter of honour. All the facts,
In answer to further questions by the defendant, witness however, connected with the sudden • termination
denied having said his wife should not go the station unless of - his connexion with the theatre had been
it was distinctly understood she was in custody, nor did he placed before the public, who would judge of the merits
see his wife bring the child to the defendant.
of the case in a fair and impartial manner. When that
Mrs. Hogg, who seemed in a very weakly state, said she
was in the Strand at the time in question, and seeing the do- circumstance occurred, London had to be searched from
fendant on duty, she brought a little girl, about five years one end to the other for a tenant, and, after the lapse of
old, who was crying at the corner of Essex-street, to hurl, some time, Mr. Bunn undertook the lesseeship. At that
saying, "Mr good man, will you take this child, and find time not au actor was engaged, nor had one single ar-
out where she lives?" To which he replied, " No, madam, rangement been made for the commencement of the
I shall not take the child, but I'll take you." She then said, season. Difficulties were, eventually, surmounted, and
"My good man, what have I done that you should take the public at once showed their appreciation of Mr.
me ?' and he again replied, " You are my prisoner, and you Burin's management, fbr, during the last season, a larger
must go with me to the station-house.". IVitness asked did number of persons had visited- the theatre than during
he suppose she wanted to take anything from the child, hay- any season since the days of
ing four of her own with her, but he made no other reply
palm)
sums of money- -'
Kean.—(Cheers.)-
re
husband came up.had, consequently, been
than that she should go to the station-house, upon which her Considerable
ceived by the lessee ; but as his arrangements at the
Cross-examined by the defendant—ln the confusion after- outset had to
i be rapidly formed, his expenses had been
wards he might have said he would take charge of the child greater than n all probability they would be during the
if witness Would accompany him to the station. The child next year. With all his success, therefore, only the
was dressed in black, and witness was also dressed partly in minimum amount of rent agreed upon had
been paid.
black. He might have also said, "If you leave the child The Noble Earl, in conclusion, expressed a hope that the
you must consider yourself in my custody." Proprietors and Renters would be placed on a more equit-
The defendant, addressing the Magistrate, asked if a child able footing. Under the present arrangement, a great
appearing under the protection of any person, was brought disproportion existed, but it was to be hoped that, by the
to him as being deserted, was he obliged to take a mere asser-
tion in such a case? exertions of Mr. Robins and other gentlemen, some other
.
Mr. TWYFORD said it was not his duty to give instruction arrangement might be effected.—(Hear, hear.)
to a constable on such a subject. On this subject a long discussion took place, after which
The defendant said he had acted under the impression that Mr. SAMUEL WELLS, the Common Councilman, re-
the child might have been under the protection of the person quested permission to propose a resolution. They had
preferring the complaint. met that day under somewhat more joyous circum-
Mr. TWYFORD said it could scarcely be called a mistaken stances than usual, attributable, he believed, to Mr.
sense of duty, that because an individual called the attention Bunn's admirable management of the theatre. With the
of a policeman to a destitute child, such persons ought to be blrmission of the aseem he r Wells) would move
taken into custody, and he wished to hear the opinion of Mr. pee following resolution ry—" Tha hat the cordial thanks of
Corder upon the subject.
Mr. Corder, assuming that the child was deserted—
the Proprietors be given to Alfred Bunn, Req., for the
Mr. TwrFortn—No, no ; it is given in evidence that the great judgment, unwearied perseverance, and disinte-
coinplainant was surrounded by her family. rested zeal he has displayed in the management of the
Mr. Corder—lf she happened to be the parent of the child theatre."
the constable acted very properly. Mr. RAMSBOTTOM, M.P., fully concurred in the ob-
Mr. TWYFORD—No doubt the man thought he was acting nervations which had fallen from Mr. Wells, and in the
right, but he happened to be wrong. resolution he had proposed. He would second it heartily.
Mr. Corder said he could state most remarkable cases of A Sub-Committee having been chosen, thanks were
desertion where the parents appeared to be in very respect- voted to the Noble Chairman, who briefly acknowledged
able circumstances.
The defendant, appealing to Mr. Corder, said he was told
the
compliment. Thanks were also voted to Major
for auditing the accounts. The name of the
on former occasions by the Strand union authorities, if he Naylor
brought another deserter to them he should be reported to Duke of Leinster was added to the general Committee,
the Commissioners, unless he also brought forward the parties and the meeting then dispersed. •
concerned ; and in the present case the complainant brought.
the child to him by the hand.
.Mr. Corder assured the Court that cases came under hi
notice in which bribes to any extent had been offered to
screen the parties concerned.
Mr. TWYFORD admitted that such- might have been the
case, but here the constable should have ascertained the
address of the parties, and put himself in possession of every-
thing connected with them.
Mr. John Kendrick, of Temple-street, Whitefriars, proved
that he was returning home with his wife when he saw a
child without hat or bonnet, apparently in a bewildered
state, which led him to conclude it was lost. Mrs. Hogg,
with whom he was totally unacquained, came up at the
moment, and, after pointing it out to the defendant as lost,
she was told she should go to the station, which made her so
agitated she could not reply. Mr. Hogg then drew the at-
tention of the defendant to his wife's situation, after telling
him who he was ; at the same time volunteering to go
to the station instead of his wife, which the defendant re-
fused. Witness also drew the defendant's attention to the
complainant's situation, of which he took no notice ; but his
impression was that the defendant considered he was doing
his duty.

I 11.PTILKIAL PARLIAMENT.
HOUSE OF COMMONS, July 23.
LUNACY.
Lord ASHLEY, in continuation said—He illus-
rated the good effects of frequent invisitation by
adduciug the asylum of Dr. Warburton, at Bethnal-green.
which was one of the :nain subjects of the inquiry of the
Committee of 1826. There was an original sin in all
private asylums, because they must all be made
to yield a profit to the keeper. But Dr. War-
burton had done everything in his power to effect
improvements in the management.. In 1828 no less than
200 of the patients were frequently restrained by chains
and leg-locks; but now out or iB2 patients, only five were
under restraint, and that of the most moderate and ne-
cessary description. That was an instance of what
might be done by supervision and inspection. That
House possessed the means of remedy in its own hands.
Many persons might be restored to health who were now
suffering, and many might have their sufferings alle-
viated ; for they must not run away with the notion that
persons afflicted with lunacy were insensible to suffering.
On the contrary, they were painfully sensitive, and their
condition, on that account, appealed the more loudly,
not only to their highest feelings of justice, but to their
humanity and sensibility.—(Hear, hear.) It was a sub-
ject of the very highest importance, and he, therefore,
hoped the House would not consider he had wasted its
valuable time, when they called to mind that the motion
was made on behalf of the most helpless, if not the most
afflicted portion of the human race. The Noble Lord con-
cluded amidst loud cheers, by moving an address to the
Crown, praying her Majesty to take into her considera-
tion the report of the Metropolitan Commissioners in
Lunacy to the Lord Chancellor, and presented to this
House by command of her Majesty.
Sir JAMES GRAHAM said he was sure he was ex-
pressing the opinion, not only of the House, but of the
country, when he said that his Noble Friend not only
stood excused, but was deserving of -:the highest praise
for the pains which he took with regard to this subject.
The facts stated by his Noble Friend had shown the
utility of. the power of inspection, which was given by
Act of Parliament a few years ago. His Noble Friend
had shown the result of this in the improved manage-
ment of asylums, when he stated that only five persons
out of 520 in one asylum were subject to restraint.—
(Hear, hear.) There was no difference of opinion on
the leading points to which his Noble Friend had ad-
verted. It could not be denied., 'that persons who,
for the first time, exhibited syiiiitoins of lunacy ought
to be. subjected to the curative process, nor could it be
denied that it was inexpedient that incurables should
be mixed with those dndettoing the curative process.
With regard to the lunatic poor in workhouses, the
time was not far distant when the Legislature must in-
terfere with regard to them. It was evident that
the cost of pauper lunatics under cure must be
much greater than the cost of the maintenance of
paupers in the workhouse. With regard to the
class of incurables, he did not imagine that the
charge for their maintenance could be much greater
than the charge for the maintenance of ordinary pau-
pers. He was satisfied that both sabjects must come
under the consideration of the Government in a very
short space of time. In the course 9f the next session
the Government would most probalsly have to submit to
the House the whole question of the management of
pauper lunatics, Then, with regard to the question of
criminal lunatics, he believed that out of 140 criminal
lunatics 80 were maintained at the public expense either
in Bedlam, or in the county lunatic asylums ; and he
was by no means prepared to contend that it might not
be proper that all criminal lunatics should be maintained
in central establishments at the public expense. That,
however, must be a matter for future consideration.
Those were the points on which he was favourable to
the views of his Noble Friend. There were other points
on which he hesitated. The report of the Commissioners
'contained no less than twenty-five suggestions; they
Were all of great importance, but before they were
adopted great caution and deliberation was necessary.
One of those suggestions was as to the compulsory re
moval of lunatics. It was impossible to regard the ques-
tion abstractedly, and cases might exist in which it
would be desirable that secrecy on that point should not
be violated ; and therefore he entertained great doubt as
to the propriety of doing away with the keeping luna-
tics in private houses. Then with regard to the institu-
tion of small asylums there could not be a doubt but that
the expense of small asylums must be much greater than
the expense of large ones, and the question to be consi-
dered was, would the advantages to be derived from them
be equivalent to the additional expense ? He did 'not
wish to hold out any encouragement to the unnecessary
multiplication of small establishments. His Noble Friend
might rest assured that ,he was disposed to offer him
every assistance to the utmost of his power. He had
directed the attention of the chairmen of quarter ses-
sions to the subject, and he had also directed the atten-
tion of the Poor-law Commissioners to the subject
of pauper lunatics. He . was prepared to take
the subject under consideration, and he was aware that
next session the Government must present some mea-
sure on it to the House. He hoped his Noble Friend
would not feel it necessary to press his motion for au ad-
dress. He could assure his Noble Friend, and the
House, that the question should receive from the execu-
tive Government every consideration that kindness, hut
manity, and enlightened philanthropy could demand! he
could assure his Noble Friend that he was not at all dis-
posed to slumber on the subject; and he hoped, that on
the whole, his Noble Friend could not feel it necessery
to press his motion.
Mr. SHEIL hoped the state of the lunetlo paupers in
Ireland would not he forgotten by ;Ile Right Hon. Gen-
tleman. He had been alltheutically informed thatgr3:
of them were at present commingled among the peaplo,
without care and without restraint—that wes a
publics calamity, and should be redrew as soon as
pos..
s heible.—(Hear, hear.) He carts -eery happy to find that
t Right Hon. Gentleman was about bringing inn mea-
sure on the subject, and hoped Ireland nonld not be for-
gotten, The oble Lord deserveel the thanks of that
House and of the country i ha always exerted himself
cheerfully, and on r4;os% occasions effectually, and
his cheerful, earnest manner was to all good men most
gratifying. However Hun. Iltfembars might differ
politically, they must all edmire the motives by which
the Noble Lord was actuated, motives which were of the
highest awl purest kind.—(Hear, hear, ,tad cheers.) It
was more than gratifying to see m.-. 11 a man, not de-
scending, but stooping from his high rank to perform
virtuous and humane aetiens, and to confer eelehrity and
success on the cause in which he en
g
must add new nobility to the name of agnd.shle —(Hear.) It
Ay, and make
humanity and Shaftesbury elusracteristic.—(Loud cheers.)
Mr. WAKLEY *aid the report of the Commissioners
contained much valuable matter, and he thought that, as
the Government had now ample materials for legisla-
tion, there was no need of a Comnaitee or further Par-
liamentary inquiry. He was satisfied that the Right
Hon. Gentleman felt convinced of the necessity of legis-
lation on this subject, and hoped the measure introduced
by the Government would be one of permanent utility.
The Right Hon. Gentleman seemed to feel fully the force
of those recommendations which had been so wisely made
as to the difference of treatment between curable and in-
curable lunatics. The lion. Gentleman then adverted to
the fact stated by the Commissioners in their report that
out of 900 lunatics in Hanwell, only ao were curable,
and conferred high praise on the manner in which the
estahlishMePt at Unwell wal eeuducted. The first

Mr. D wets
said, if judicial proceedings
still pending in the island, he certainly should not trei ts e
7
his motion, as it would be improper to do so. MI" an
Right Hon. Baronet would permit him to say, that
declaration would cause great grief and dissatisfactiof
the island. There was not an individual there orl
the Government could lay its, finger in suspicion. "4