The Sun.
London, England, 1821-07-02 00:00:00

tlemen who entertained such predilections, to re-
collect that it was not very liberal in them to pay
off private debts of gratitude with the public mo-
ney, or to gratify their own feelings at the expellee
of the'coun try and their constituents.—(hear!)--
He had no objection that they should express
their attachment, by an act of liberality on their
own part, but not at the expellee of others, "by
voting away the money out of the pockets of the
people. As to the grant of 6000/. itself, much
stress was laid upon the willingness with which
the House was ready td vote that sum formerly,
but the. House might have been justified iu mak-
ing such a grant some years ago, and yet the cir-
cumstances of. the country might have so altered
since, as to make it no longer proper for the
House to do so.. He begged also to observe, that
neither the Noble Lord opposite, nor the Gen-
tlemen around him, were justified in claiming
any monopoly of attachment to the Royal Fa-
mily.—(Hear, hear!)—He (Mr. B.) and his
friends entertained for them, as Englishmen, a
constitutional reverence, and with that feeling
they wished to see them on a proper and digni-
fied throne in the hearts of their subjects.—
(Hear, hear!)—Nothing could so much tend to
unseat them in the hearts of Englishmen as the
constant discussions forced upon Parliament by
the injudicious acts of the Noble Lord and his
friends opposite, of which the most improper and
injudicious was this grant of 18,0001. as arrears,
in the present 'distressed state of the country.—
lie really thought that there was a source of
Royal Bounty"; wll!ch ought to be open to the
Duke of Clarence, if be was fettered with debts,
and it was much more becoming that the libera-
lity of the Crown should supply his wants, than
that recourse should be had to this injudicious
and unconstitutional mode.—(hear, hear!) .
Mr. R. MARTIN defended the grant, on the
ground that the younger branches of the family
of the late good old King should have sufficient
means to support their rank and dignity among
the English Nobility.
Mr. WATSON TAYLOR stated, in reference to
what had fallen from an Hon. Member (Mr. Ber-
nal,) that his Royai Highness had not declined
the grant of 60001. on account of the suggestion
of Ministers, or of any individual connected with
office. He had, in that instance, acted solely
upon the advice and suggestion, of private and
personal friends, who represented to him that if
he accepted 60001. a-year, and resided in Eng-
land, after having stated a necessity for 10,0001.
it would appear as if lie acknowledged the lesser
sum was sufficient, and had made an over de-
mand on Parliament when he asked for the
greater vote, and they thought it better that he
should decline it altogether and reside upon the
continent, as it was easier for him to do so with-
out that sum than, with it, to keep up his esta-
blishment in England. He followed their advice,
but soon after returned, on account of public and
domestic circumstances, which were too well
known to require any further explanation. These
facts he mentioned for the satisfaction of the
Hon. Member, without expressing any opinion
on the merits of the question.—(Hear, hear !)
The Marquess of LONDONDERRY observed,
that he knew nothing of what the Hon. Baronet
alluded to. He was led to believe that the
Duke of Clarence had declined the grant, be-
cause he was convinced that if he remained in
England on the terms proposed, he must involve
himself in debt, as the allowance was insufficient
for the support of his dignity ; but circumstances
had occurred to embarrass him as much as if he
had resided in England, and he only asked to
be placed in the situation in which he should
have stood if he had continued to reside in.
England.
Mr. BERNAL said the Noble Lord had given
him no answer as to what had fallen from the
Hon. Member for Carlisle. He had asked the
explanation because he understood the Noble
Lord was in the House at the time.
An Hon. MEMBER under the gallery observed,
that tire vote was a matter of right and justice to
the Duke of Clarence.
Colonel DAN-lEs said, he had given his vote for
the arrears, but riot as a matter of right; and
he protested against such language. He had
voted as he did, because he was anxious that his
Royal Highness should be placed in the same si-
tuation as if he had originally accepted of the
grant, as he did not think it right that having de-
clined it in a moment of hasty decision, it should
be severely visited upon him.. But then the vote
was still to be considered a matter of special fa-
vour (Hear, hear !)—to relieve his Royal high-
ness from the disgraceful circumstances of being
overwhelmed with debt, and to place him in the
same situation with the rest of the Royal Family.
It was on this principle that he voted for the ar-
rears, and because they were asked as a favour
to clear off debts incurred, and to uphold the cre-
dit and authority of the Royal Family. As to
the Coronation, he declared he would- not vote a
single farthing for defraying the expellees beyond
the sum which had been already voted.
The Marquess of LONDONDERRY stated, that
his Royal highness had not applied to the house
for this grant as a matter of right, but had asked
it as a boon, and thanked them for their liber-
ality.

Mr. SCAItLETT observed, that this grant was
made without any special recommendation from
the Crown, which was customary in such cases.
Two Parliaments ago, or certainly in the Parlia-
ment before the last, a similar application was
made to the House, but then it was accompanied
by a recommendation from the Throne, and it is
worthy of remarking, that it was in the late reign.
The Noble Lord could set him right if he was
mistaken.

The Marquess.Of LONDONDERRY said the Ho-
nourable and Learned Member was not in his
plaCe when the application was made, or he would
have known that intimation was given that the
Royal acknowledgments would be made in the
proper stage of the Bill. In 1814, 50,0001. was
voted to her present-Majesty, upon a similar re-
commendation. On that occasion it was notified
to the House, that the Royal approbation -would
be signified in the usual stage.
Mr. SCARLETT. asked, was he to understand
that theie was in that instance no Royal Message ?