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bring them as low as 15s. ; and if they would do sol,tet;
commerce in this article would increase to e
altogether unknown. If justice were to
consumers, there must be a general system of r 001
in the imposts on those articles which came into
consumption, for this should be the great objeet
lation.
Mr. M. GIBSON seconded the motion.
Mr. JA NIES explained. thi'
be doanenedutectithone
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER sal ice,
subject had been so fully discussed on a recent 002.5.4
that he did not think it necessary to trouble the of
at any length. They would find in the speech ° tots
Hon. and Learned Gentleman, by a careful atteabser
sufficient grounds for rejecting the motion. The °_ther
vations of the Hon. and Learned Gentleman were ratter
in favour of a general reduction or abolition °clot',
than to the subject under the consideration of the lat_',oo
He (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) was most ati.',.„o
to reduce taxation to the lowest possible state consitToe,
with the maintenance of the revenue; but, withold sot
gletting the first duties of a Government, they cou_
ape
at present accede to the proposition of the ifell'sted
Dawned Member for Dumtries. Those who had inve nor
capital in sugar should not be altogether forgotten. 00
should they altogether overlook the interests of their
colonies. T,earilei
Mr. HUME recommended his Hon. anu„-- West
Friend not to press his motion at present. =tuFtios to
Indian colonists were not at present in posl
tell •
cope with foreign Powers, and they should no%. Se
man to run away whilst they knew the length of „Ast
They should first relieve the West Indian .I'7
from the disadvantages and burdens which he °
present to contend with, and having done these tobligs'
conpe
but not until then, might they fairly expect them td ove
with the Brazilian or the Cuban, who employe
labour.—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. LA E, though opposed to the igloo
would yet recommend the Hon. and Learned Gent
to press his motion to a division. id be
Mr. M. GIBSON was of opinion that it Wen f rte
much better for the country if the exact areoent ese, to
claims of the colonists were laid before the tina.oalli
have them amply compensated, than that the,
be thus allowed to obstruct a measure which 10`.00,
much conduce to the welfare of the British emal°looo
He saw no reason why 10s. should be the exact a„,isaisl"
of duty which was necessary to compensate the c-ob as'
Besides, our trade with foreign countries was i °De
peded by the present restrictions, and he forf itsj
would protest against preferring the interests °obis,
class of capitalists to the advantage of the P.. 001
He disagreed entirely with the feeling which • °Ls el
that this interference would prevent the consuMPo" Itek
slave-grown sugar by English subjects. He teraegrees
that at the time when the emancipation of the °oa
was under the consideration of Parliament, toe f
humane persons abstained altogether from the he 05
sugar, because it was produced by slaves ; and t tie
surprised that a Government, who professed to act° tlie
commercial principles, should lend its influence oste
setting up of a new principle—the rejection of &till,'
with other States on- the ground of slavery 0.00
tolerated in them. He regarded the monopoiy„a
was set up as extremely pernicious, and calculi'
to
insult the feelings of foreign States, and rendtrog
difficult the formation of commercial treaties with
States. but ths
J
Strangers were then ordered to withdraw'
,e fosii
House did not divide ; and on our re-admission:,. jli4;
Mr. VILLIERS addressing the House. .IPorepieel3,i
Member said that the questions put to the G-01„,'"se c`)
were of so much imortance that the Ministry h▪ ear')
justified in refusing to reply to them.—(H
The House and the country had a i'v
demand from the Government the reas°llt'ectio'• k
the West India islands were to have this Pr°, t
the
Was it that they were so useful ? Was it t: the,,
were so loyal ? Whereas, only foue+ years aeo-t'lo
legislatures were suspended because they Weresslis-e tha
—(Hear, hear.) Were they contented , ea
Member for Cumberland (Mr. James) hau.,ls-sfie tb
answer.—(Hear, hear.) He had told the P°- of
the colonies were ruined by the emancipat°
slaves. The philanthropists, as well as the ec°ll..s°e
had always contended that it would be best to tht",,M
West Indies upon their own resources, and to 'loco ,the
altogether with protective duties. That had bjotil,eeff'
opinion of Mr. dropper, Mr. Stevens, and severagisaAr ,
and the result had fully borne them out. Jara-,,serwi.,,
not the whole of the West Indies: but, on tbe c-osird.
it would be found, that if there were any deficj•ei)srott)
der particular circumstances, in that island, we; filresi
in other islands had doubled in six years.—(R,catie vosi
The whole measure was designed to forward ,;uet,sst
Indians, who had too much influence in the Caw;
too much power over the Government.—(lqeafverfol
he would ask the House, did they not know of's:
ptf
other countries, the governors of which weriufgaa
dealers in the slave trade themselves?—(Hear.)„ vet
,„"j$
a slave trade was carried on with Nubia, artri Of Fit'
Pacha was recognised as the friend an,cl,l,,,i'for
Pfd
country, although the slaves were not intended ce
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dial labour alone, but for more degraded serhe to 9
more unworthy purposes. He would support t•ition bet
of his Hon. Friend, and must express his °P who
the questions of the Right Hon. Gentleman 11011;
last sat down ought to be answered. the ri*
Mr. GLADSTONE was surprised that foroelii
Gentlemen should make a charge against hi°t at,
stating the grounds on which the Goverana,,,e°
protection to the West Indian interest. P, eted to
that every Hon. Member was so well acqua'l3 eetfr ba
that that he had considered it would be disresPacer,'
the House to repeat them over again ; if, h°,01(1)0
must repeat them—(Cries of " No, no")—he flor fj re
first, that they were maintained, because abee-d ot
system of protection the customs had always 0 01160
gulated ; and secondly, because they had bqbe trite
protection amounting almost to prohibition.
flaito3oo,
was, that at the present moment the West re '
o b'
terest was suffering a depression of labour 0g el'
any other interest. He did not think that the
the Hon. Member for Manchester afforded s °filo Y or;
lent example of the benefit of free labour. •
Member for Wolverhampton had referred t 1 resre
published by Mr. Gurney four years ago, "1..1 tbytir,
to the effect of free labour in Antigua, and frrboor,ol;
had argued that, in consequence of that free ladsabl,
the export of sugar from that island had beet , ,
but he had taken no notice of a return that still;tY
laid on the table only four days ago, or et.v egheY fee
discovered that such was not the case. „P
uce
Hon. Gentleman ought to have better evi e
he made the assertion.
Dr. BOWRING said, to his certain t"-„` 5 10' r
rfa
, Pacha of Egypt had been ready to put dowsz-iitsiti'
any way that might be suggested by Great ;1'
sts
would support the motion of his Hon. Frientatile"
Mr. VILLIERS asserted again that the Sy' fir'
Mr. Gurney were correct. ateici
Lord STANLEY repudiated their accuracy e
of " Divide, divide." those. 00,,
Mr. COBDEN then rose to address the 'uses po"
appeared to him a great disposition in the 00,11' 00 0.;
the discussion of this question upon prineill'a;sail..„l!
sides of the House there was a marked dilifedie:f IV,
to entertain the proposition of the Hon. `-thata
Dumfries. He had no hesitation in saYinAgioussile
question was properly considered and ~"1.1. sn.,j-ce
Minister could withstand it. The Right
bad J-,
man at the head of the Board of Trade "oureeipt.,,,it''
upon the question of something that Air', to ili„atn.,
written. Be (Mr. Cobden) could not agre-s,as
ciple of protection ; all that was wanted -tej, 001;4
principle of non-interference should be adobe
been attempted to blink the question, bat toalie 0.41
j
mask it. The fact was, they wanted to give.s seeli
India proprietors 10s. a cwt. more for o'l *vor,iolN
it would produce in the markets of theotial vjertl
that was to be accomplished by a differe soro
(Hear, hear.) For his own part, hecove t lofet
that the West Indians had no right to f,oble.,0101„
House and ask it to make their trade nrc„.°,`,,,salaiiii',o
what would be the effect of the measure.? Westoalcoi
no benefit on the coloured population Or t'ensoli of ~01
and it could not be doubted that the nan°o-,,'irers e"ce
had not leen of any benefit to the leh dity
country, for the fact was that they statedxopf
been ruined by a differential duty of 6350
fore, could a differential duty of 10s. do the
able 0p it or,
The time was when a Member was inea,P;n cet
in that House if he was a monopolist, an" ~'-ottieV,,e
incumbent upon Members, if they lane is :S°
were monopolists, to name them, env' .01191 Vin
of that year, the Members for ""' that aite3c,
and Bridgewater, were unseated on they 're
Reverting, however, to the monopolies as they webey,
the present day, he begged to state that t n,relf e
plained of, and protested against, not ta`e,,pletrad
they took away from the comforts of the P, fitteoeCt fr
,00 DOI
cause they were a hindrance to trade• pre lit fie
banish at the present time those who W-usele',ool`,"be'
with, or interested in them, would be tt ntire P itY
for it would be attempting to banish an e;bter,,./ete.
of those who composed the House.—(l'4u'up
came the free traders, therefore, to stir that
in order that the monopolists
Ind
connected with sugar, timber, coffee, "-f. it vote pi'
might on a future occasion be kept out o. re
oau tiv r°• 4
He (Mr. Cobden) did not stand there t inteli_Are /cc'
India planters. He had no wish---n° Ina°
ce the .313
so. On the contrary, he wished to s , at °floe;
and to that end he urged them to coate;t' dtgouiamtli
traders in order to carry a low duty.ostt
even 14s. per lb., would put them in a bettet,,rad De
lit We 00:
years time from the present than thei_:angeosol4):l
years. The consequence of such an arf: inistro
be to give to the West India trade
oal,L.,cecvi
pulse—better machinery would be intri7d.....anfter ;
system of cultivation would be origli;t qua'o,lol,,P`j
would begin to develope itself in t..,,uisitet flPots.
perhaps that was an article more. alres.4o 00';
other.-7-(Laughter.) Let matters in Li; proprel;6ol3so.;l
put upon a sound footing, and the suga_,,al qtl 040.0 e,
have no fear of Cuba or Brazil. Tiftrr: WAS
~°f1C4.1.15/111
monopoly or no monopoly? The country W°
nopoly ; it neither desired large nrs'.
monopolies, nor modified monoe_l:t freliajtsejidiel
was perfectly satisfied, that the v`r or,sef,
would find themselves much more pry ins tor Ebe.Pmtr
go hand in hand with the free tract of fo
nOOll5Ol y
oinfgptahretmy.sealnyeds toto btehmoiradoevvsnlivatntluecZisr
cooped
of
1,110,
ment.— (Hear, hear.) .1,05 one r dar' 01
Mr. P. STEWART said there,. _ lot ar jog
argument of his Bon. Friend N'..n.,vd use° patio tb.ll
House, which might be very or beispg,o.'est
school to which he (Mr. Cobden)t it ivwere „,tio
in its charaefire
was not very English osriet°'
that because the West India P_r4oid be 3100deo 0 tett
and weak body, therefore theyr_rn, iu
_6O
it really ought in fairness to b
_utle the that_ o'f.r.f
West India interest had been In but foi.olcs., ciroo
titular system of legislation ; anttterlY re° Pr °I C 3
t e colon
differentialle
the free traders in the present ;uO, sdwutoiuesld, aovef abne;tshi
and
mnoatn
blNy.ithhimasehlef,alt'oy rbuunrdaesittpeie:otnhep,
burden at all. If the lion.