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London, England, 1819-06-12 00:00:00

FOREIGN ENLISTNIENT

Lin! CASTLSREAGH movcil the Oillerof the Day
for c3ruyin up .th.elterirt of the Fort.:4o Enlist-
ment Rill.

„
DIROGDEN brought up the Report. On thq
clues;i«u that it he read,
Sir• It. Wit,Rom rose, hilt . .

Lord CASTLEREAGH said, that he did not wish,ro
prevent discussion in the present stage of the
And only interrupted the Gallant Officer to
.say,
that as some amendments had been made in th►e
ComrrOtee, he meant • to move, that the Bill, as
emended, be printed, to give opportunity for con-
sideration before a full discussion.

Sir JAN:Es MACKINT(4II Said, that it would be
certainly very convenient to have time to consi-
der the amendments. At the same time there was
twilling to prevent any Lion. Illember, on this
occasion, from discitssing the general subject of
t:,e

d cASTUIPCAGIt agreed that there was no-
thing to prevent such a discussion at present.
Sir K WILsoN said his observations would ap-
ply merely to the details of the Bill.
Mi. DENMAN said, he thought thtit it would be
found necessary to recommit the Bin.

Mr. MAURYATT said► that he nuty wished to re-
niifil House, that the Noble Lord (Cdstle-

reagli) on a former occasion had expressed his
doubts as to a rxct whicis .(Mr. Martyatt) had
cared to the Hoese. Yet be had now further
evidence of these facts, and he might say to the
Noble Lord, in tii-e words of Hamlet-0' There he
more things in heaven and earth, HoratiO, than
our books of .philo,ophy have dleamt
had actieirtd nitre wisdom than to give. up the
names of his inft•surn tors !O [lse Colonial Office.—
Paull experience had taught him how dang.erous
it was to ft:TOse titiCh A CiAnti&nCe hi GOVerffittellt,
The persons so mentioried had been sacrificed to
their general interest : but the tine would come
when the channels. of Such intelligence might he
safely roinmunicated without injuring the per•
sons from whom it wits derived. But the tacts
now aliened to were as notorious in that part of
the world, as the Battle of Waterloo was to us
at home. lit reference to the affAir at Trinidad,
he had one of the pe!itions deemed extraordinary
in his hands. He called upon ti,e Noble Lord
(Castlereagh) to say uhettier or not Gover-
nor 'Woodrofil had Or had not acted accord-
irig to his instructions ? Did the instructions
justify conduct ? In signing that petition,
Govet nor kiToodford had in some respect S sanction-
ed
_what was considered by several persons an
act little less titan murder. If the Governor had
exreeded his instructions, he called upon the
ogle Lord to know why such a foul stain had
not been removed from the character of the Go-
vernment I, lie had in his possession an original
letter, with Lord Hobart's signature, writteu in
the year 1797, which formed the basis of a Pro-
clamation front General Pict on, then Governor of
Trinidad, directing a conduct towards the South
America!) Patriots of a description widely diffe-
rent to that now adopted by the present Admini-
stration. He had also in his possession the cony
of a Letter and Instrections frum the late Lord
Melville to General Pict's!, stating, that the
tyranny and oppression. of the Spanish Govern..
In cut justified the Patriots of South America in
throwing off their allegiance !O the Modser Coun-
try, and that in such a case they might depend
upon the protection of the British Goverment.
These measures were projected during he Ad-
ministt ation of. Mr. Pitt, and yet thy successors of
these very men, who preteisdrd to follow most
religionsly the conduct and policy of Mr. Pitt,
embraced at this time principles diametrically op.
polite. He sincerely regretted that Ministers
were in these days leaning more to the character
and conduct 'of an arbitrary Government, titan
what had been witnessed for a vast number of
years. . . •

Lord CASTLIMEAGII affirmed, that it iVOUId
re-
giiire much more than time lion. Mernbct's inge-
nuity to prove that what he had now advanced
had ally bearing to the particular question' be ore
the [louse. As to the story of the old Lady, it
was too absurd to dwell upon it. His Lordship,
however, would not scruple to maintain, that it
was equally true with what the lion. Gentleman
had mentioned about Governor Woodford shutting
the ports of Tinidad against those who had fled
from South America-to seek protection and a re-
Inge under the British Government. To refute
these assertions, would be merely to repeat what
he (Lord Castlereagh) hail stated some evenings
ago in the Hon-e. So tar was the statement of
the Hon. Member from the troth, that he could
assure the House that Governor Woodford re-
ceived the refugees with every testimony of
humanity; that they were soupported'at the pub-
lic expence; and that their numbers amounted
to three thousand eight hundred. it was certainly
very different to refuse an asylum to an objection-
able individual, even if true, to stunting up the
ports against strangers in distress, and, who ap-
pealed to your humanity for relief. Such conduct
was not characteristic of the British Government.
But it was idle to take up the time of the House
in the discussion of such subjects, totally foreign
to the business now under consideration. Ttfe
Hon; Member's letters—the story of the Old
Lady—his tragical account of the persons who
bad been excluded from the ports of Trinidad, by
which cruel treatment they had become the victims
of the waves, as their bodies had been seen float-
ing on time coast—and the prayers offered up in
the churches by order of the Spanish Government,
might be till deemed visionaries of the same happy
invent ion !

The Clause, after a short conversation between
Sir Matthew Ridley and Mr. Goulburn, was agreed

Upon reading of another clause, and an amend.
ment ['Awing been moved to it by the Solicitor-
.Gener4.

Mr. Alderman WAITHMAN said, the Bill ap-
peared to him by these clauses to be quite a new
and a different Bill from that first brought in,
and, what was muse, it was even still more ob.
j tetierft bk. _ _ _

Lep! MILTON agreed in this opinion.
Lord CASTLEREA6)4 Wisl; the Dill to he print-
ed, when its intentions and objects would be likely,
to he completely understood.
GRANT thought the fill Nvas nothing else
than a ilex translation •of a Spanish manuscript
hitherto not well understood..

Sir M. iiinLEv said, if the' Bill Was printed it
should be printed in Spanish, as its fit com-
mentator.

Mr. 13r.onGnAm hoped time would be given to
examine its contents, by ordering the Bill to be
re-committed.
Mr. IL BATIIURET said, the course now pur-
sued on bringing-up the Report was perfectly con-
sistent with fOrmer precedents in similar in-.
staneeS.

The SOLICITOR-GENERAL assured thft House
the alterations had only originated in the correc-
tion of grammatical errors. There had not been
any new clauses introduced.

Mr. DENMAN said, he had during the progress of
this Bill dropped several objections he had intend-
ed to make, because he could get no answer.—
By a clause in the Billibe now found it was corn,-
petent to the Lord Advocate of Scotland to insti-
tute proceedings in these cases in the Courts of
Law in Dublin, as well as those in Westminster,
because the words of the Bill rendered those offi-
cers liable to prosecution in any place competent
to try criminal offences. Hence they might be
tried at Edinburgh, as well as atleithcr of the two
'formerly-mentioned i places. He now wished to
know-it any Order in Council had hem issued for

preventing the transportation into South America
from this country of arms and ammunition ?
Lord CASTLEREAGH admitted there .had been
such an order issued. It extended to the Islands
of Cuba, which, as it-was in the hands of Old
Spain, shewed the disposition of the British Go-
vernment to maintain a perfeet. neutrality. Go-
vernn►ent was also very careful in granting licenses
to ships going out to the West Indies, lest our
Colonies should be made an eotreptit for arms for
the service of the belligerents.
Mr. BaotrGmANT admitted, that Government
might so far think itself bound to issue this Pro-
clamation and act upon its restrictions; but he
wished to know whether his Majesty's Govern-
ment had acted so far upon the principle of.per-
feet neutrality as toissue a similar Proclamation,
preventing the export of arms to the territories
of Spain. In one word, did the introduction ex-
tend to the/port of Cales ; for it was well [mown
that at C►ties, and not at Cuba, the Spanish Mo-
narch was preparing an overwhelming force to
crush the Independents ; it consisted in part of
34 Britiih vessels chartered to take out- Spanish
troops, warlike stores, &c. to South America,—''
Whilst such a decided difference was observable
in the conduct of-Government to Spain, and to-
wards her revolted Colonies, it was silly to talk
of any observance in this country, of a perfect
neutrality.
Lord CASTLEREAGH Said, no such Order in
Council had been issued, plainly for this reason,
that it would be unavailable, except the com-
merce of this country in the article of arms with
all outer ports of Europe were altogether inter- ,
dieted Vessels might, too, engage themselves, as
the law !low stood, iu the character of transports
for this purpose to the Government of Spain.
Sir J. IMAcKINTosti co: ended, tl►at the answer
of the Yoble Lord hr.. idly conveyed an intimation
to the vroild, that our intended time of neutrality
of conduct would amount to nothing more or less
than this, that our GCnverntnent was determined
to permit the introduction of every possible means
of military at►noyaitce into the hands of one of the
belligerent_parties, whilst it interdicted it in every
possible way to the other.

Alter a few words from Mr. MARZIYAT, Mr. Al-
derman WAITHMAN, Ei11(1,10.1r, DENMAN, who ex-
pressed a hope that snaieient tittle should be given
for a further considerat ion of the measure,

Lord CASTLEREAGII said, he had no objection,
it it was the wish of the House to postpone the
further consideration of .the Report from Tues-
day, the time first proposed,. to I.Veduesday next.
The Report was•then ordered to be taken into
further consideration on Wednesday, and printed
in the mean time with th-e amendments.