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- (whose authority the Whigs Would surely not
disavow) had most strenuously contended in that
House that the cr-inions of the people could only
he fairly sought, and really found in that Haase;
the successors of Mr. Fox, the Whigs "of. the
present day, maintained directly' the reverse Of
that proposition ; they contended that the opinion
of the people could only be found out of doors,
and that it was to be sought for from day to day,
and from hour to hour. But Mr. Fox not only
maintained the opinion which he had just stated,
but he was so unwilling that an appeal should be
made to the people to know what their opinion
was, that he proposed an address to his Majesty,
praying him not to dissolve Parliament. It hap-
pened at that time that the opinion of the people
(an opinion not excited by artifice, not inflamed
bdyeiicblearmaour, not formed in heat, but upon calm
deliberation was was adverse .to Mr. Fox ; ap-
Peal to them was made, Parliament was dissolved-,
Mr. Pitt's power was established, and the Whigs
irretrievably defeated. He was quite sure that
'lO Minister could exist in this country who
41 not possess the confidence of the House
of Commons, and, .in the. title sense of the
Word, the confidence of the,people. Gentlemen
13n the other side might say what they pleased,
but the feelings of the House of Commons and
of the people always Were, and necessarily must
he, in unison. No Ministers who had really lost
the confidence of the people could long retain the
support of the House of Commons, and this must
always be the case as long as the House of Corn-
..mons was constituted as it new was. He per-
: fectly agreed-with .an Honourable Gentleman
(Mr. Bankes) that the Houseof Commons, as now
constituted, was most efficiently formed to sup-
-Pc" the interests, to watch over the rights, and
to protect the liberties of the People, It was
• itie, that, in point of theory, many objections
Inight be made to the construction of the :House
(4 Corn. mons : vet,-considered in its practical_ ef-
'ects, in affording facilities to all classes and de-
scriPti6ns of .people to be fairly represented, and
bt°lllelrof talents to obtain seats in that House,
e 'vas convinced that it could not be improved
iby-an7 plan that the wit of man 'could devise.—
he felt much pleased with' the answer given by
the nonourable Member for Devizes, who,- in
answer to an obserYation that he was returned by
about twenty-four voters, replied that although
the number of voters by whom he was returned
was not large, yet, when he once took his seat in
that House, he did not consider himself merely
as the Representative of that particular place,
hut of. the whole kingdom, and that he was as
much bound to watch over the interests, and pro=
tact the.rights of the inhabitants of every other
Part of the empire,. as over those of his imam-.
(hate constituents. If he wanted examples to
prove the practical benefits that resulted from the
censtruction of the House of Commons, he had
`sialY to cast his eyes opposite to him, _and_ he
Learned
find them in abundance. An Hon. and
irarned Gentleman on the other side of the
wilse, of whose brilliant talents no man could
(‘4
itnertain an higher opinion than he did, afforded
ante
decisive proof of the advantages result-
tng
".t bat iern the present system of represents-tion.
Lan -4°arned Gentleman had offeved 'himself as
bat aie for two or three populous places,
li:e st rn-1 lo:oe:ltsred himself in vain. In IVestmore-
wa's comoletely defeated, in Liverpool
itays. to 11° Chance, and the House .would now
lint‘, Tnent the loss of his talents, if he had
one o,ar4 the good fortune to be snugly- seated for
~ those -Boroughs which some of his friends
a 0 io
Rept,' him described as the opprobrium-of our
man tesentatiVe System. That Learned Gentle-
cieot vas, though so returned, as good and effi-
Avhi Member of. Parliament, and as sound, a
itighgt if he represented Westminster. .4
deserved°'--. to him, high, and.
Gentleman opposite,
and
of matiye hih, in the estimation of the House
ut ofcountry for his abilities had been
7 the populous Borough of Southwark,
1
1no:1(1 cl if he had. not found refuge in one of those]
.wioti:d-Iriot
nw
abusedoßoroughs, \V
the. leader of thehigs
ns. An 6 have a seat in the House,of,Coms
ther Hon. and Learned Gentleman,
,71. whose talents and constitutional knowledge he
we'shed to speak - in the highest terms, was
ated for Knaresborough, and yet no man
1.,'-4:0,111d, deny that he was as able, and as
he re
a Member of _Parliament, if
r„.e_?resented the- most populous County in
e kmgdom. But it Was useless to multiply
instances; however defective our system was in
hp, urY, it was most admirably Calculated in the
itttce to bring into that House the talent, the
ss:llince, and every other requisite that was
are htl al to the character of a good Member of
i
thosoainent. lie could not, therefore, agree with
Porto, who called so-loudly for Parliamentary Re-
e moo
especially as he found that no two of
:41.)ssitaureed upon the plan which they . would
. hits, of for our present system. It appeared
430uos.rach wiser, instead of adopting wild and
(Ins, to theories, and makir, sweeping altera-
''l
bl°t, toP.htlaite,qati -gradually, atid when you found
10 th
quash tt, and to Mend it. With respect
"I'id not 17" iunnediately before the House, it
een ssidloue. necessary for him after all that had
I).ace hero the time. As to what took
Ilras enty, re the Queen came to this country, it
P°sition olnecessavy to observe, that if the pro-
Served ade to her Majestrat St. Omer's, de-
liber j; of those hard epithets Which had been
;Learned 7, bestowed upon it, the Hon. and
ego]. adviser t-Tentlman, her Majesty's principal
°ill it. lien would net have been the bearer
b'aeStion who wfiould- .not now enter into the
tqt
.rst suggested that proposition ;
oone
,en that Learned Gentleman left this
Ilisto:rs3 as the bearer of it, he knew, that Mi-
tat were in possession of facts that would con-
if il:re ali.gra.ve caSe against ilia Queen, and that
%sia blaiesty came into this country they
tito not avoid .takins- further steps. It was
therefore, for that Learned
4144 rnan to agree with the Hon. Gentle-
ts Who rsspoke last, that this conduct of Minis_
Aft o that occasion was not only unjust but basa.
r
4 icesr.Majesty had arrived in this Country,
Noble Friend massed for a Committee
Aspit'stinctly stated that he had rave charges
.41,•!_lst the Queen •s the House tlitti knew that
ae
rs were in possession of evidence which

at least, in their opinion, was sufficient to tippOrt
that charge ;i and it approved of the Ministers
pausing in their• proceedings, and negociating
with.her Majesty. The house afterwards ap-
proved of the - Motion made by the Honourable
Member for Bramber. , It was ,evident, then,
that Ministers, so far from being desirous of bring-
ing forward this investigation, took every means
in their 'power to avoid it ; and it was equally
clear that the House approved of their conduct
in so doing. He did not expect that the Gen-
tlemen on the other side would approve of the
‘:,•onduct of Ministers, but the Honse.'couldhOt, he
thought, withdraw the 'approbation to that con-'
duct which it had so distinctly given. 'He would
not enter into any observatiOn upon What had I
passed in the House of Lords ; he would -merely
express his firm belief,that there was hot one man
in the kingdom who, before the proceedings in the
House of Lords, thought the Ministers honest men,
that did not, after those proceedings 'were oc'er,
think that what pasSed in that douse atlorded
an ample justification of Ministers for the step
they had taken. Upon the question of the Litur-
gy, it was equally unnecessary for him to dilate.
It was quite impossible for Ministers to give
his Majesty 'any other advice than that which
they had given ; it was not considered—it was
not recommended as a punishment upon her
Majesty. The Ministers conceived that this
was a point completely within ,the prerogative
of the Crown ; and under all the circumstances
of the case, they dill not feel it to be their duty
to advise the King to confer upon her _Majesty
that mark of special grace- and favour. When
the subject of the •Liturgy was first discussed
in that nouse, a Right lion. Gentleman opposite,
to him reprobated it in strong! language as de-
grading to the Queen, but the Learned Gentle-
man (the Queen's Attorney General) denied that
position. He did not consider it as being of any
moment whether the- Queen was prayed for by
name. in the Liturgy or 'not ; in a word, he con-
sidered it as a' trifle light as air,' compared 'with
what he called her just :rights. What happened
afterwards when a negociation took place between
the Noble Lord near him, and a Noble Relation
of his, and the two Learned Gents. on the other
side (the Queen's legal advisers) ? Upon that occa-
sion the Learned Gent. seemed in doubt whether
the omission was legal or not, but he consid-
ered it as admitting of am equivalent. - NnW,
if it we're an illegal act, it could not admit of an
equivalent. In that case it would have' been the
duty of the Learned Geirtlemen to have broken
off the treaty at once. But after all that, the
Learned Gentleman's. Opi.)ion unJerwent another
change, for in the debate .A few night's ago he
came round to the opinion of the Learned Mem-
her for Oxford,. and pronounced the omission of
her Majesty's name froth 'the Liturgy-to be most;
decidedly-an illegal act. And when afterwards!
the Learned Gentleman was
_charged with some
inconsistency' upon this subject, what wa%his:
answer ? 44 Why," he said; " that he considered
it as sound philosOphy, that when a man received
an injury f7oni a person in authority, and could
not get redress, he might disguise his sense of
that injury, and Undervalue its extent." If this
was true, said the "Learned Gentleman, between
two individuals,:hoW Much more was it so when
one of them` was an advocate, the advocate of a.
woman, and that woman a Queen ?' Such was the
Learned Gentleman's lahguage as an advocate and
as a sound,philoSopher, and-when Ministers heard
it theywere silly enough to think they had a great
authority in their favour;' but When the Learned'
Gentleman came to.speak as a Member of Par-:
liament he completely undeceived theM. For,
upon the motion of the Noble Lord a fear nights ago,
the Learned Gentleman,' in speaking upon it, de
.dared he considered the oMisSion'of her Majesty's
name in the'Liturgy aSdeeidedly illegal, and re-
probated it in the strongest manner, and yet he
voted! for the resolution that the omission" was in-
expedient and ill advised, So that he had contrived
to display himself in bOth his Characters on one
night, for he had spoken like a Member of Par-
liament, and voted like an advocate, and a sound
philosopher.—(Load' clrei;rs.)—lt had.been re-

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peatedly said on' this and former nights, that the
whole country was against Ministers upon this
qnestion, yet it was worthy of remark, that after
this most illegal act, as it was called, of omitting
the Queen's name in the Liturgy had been com-
mitted, the Parliamek was dissolved and a
general election took place. •But then when the

people were 'left to their own judgment,---when
their minds were not misled or their passions in-
flamed, not one word was said upon this subject,
—not one of the Gentlemen opposite to him con,
sidered it .as a topic which he could urge with
success. Upon the assertion that the Ministers
had lost the confidence of the country he wished
to saga few words. They were opposed by the
'Whigs, a party of great wealth, talent, and re-
spectability, honourably united together i❑ order
that they might get into office, and thereby
serve the country triost effectually :—they were
opposed by another party inimical to all the
existing establishments in Church and State,
these were called the Radicals, and he was
willing to admit that they were as different from
the Whigs in character, and in their objects," as
light from darkness." _These two parties, how-
ever, so essentially different in every thing else,
agreed in one point. The Whigs had 'found out
that they could do nothing whatever that was
good, and the- Radicals had diScovered that
they could do nothing that was bad while
the present Ministers remained in office, and
therefore these two discordant parties heartily
joined together to turn them out. This junction,
had gi-Vdn them the appearance of strength, but
still that strength was only formed by the union'
of those who always opposed Ministers. The
opponents of Miuisters at all the public meetings
were composed of 'Whigs and Radicals. -Witness
the meefinc's at Liverpool, at Bedford, in Hamp-
shire, in London, &c. but that the public opinion
was not so hostile to Ministers as Gentlemen as-

sorted appeared from the number of loyal ad-
dresses that 'were pouring in from every part of
the country, addresses which had not been pro-
cured by any efforts of Ministers, but were the
Spontaneous expressions of the persons' whose
names ware subscribed. Neither he nor any
of his colleapes would wish to remain in office

one hoar after They had lost, the boniidetice
of the people ; but Ministers were not to be
convinced by tire 'assertions of the Gentlerrien
on the other side of the House, that they had
lost that confidence,- nor would-they be induced
by clamour or by taunts to desert their duty to
their Sovereign and their country.----(Loud and
continued cheers.)—lt was common at the be-
ginning of every Session to hear that Ministers
were =about to resign ; lists of their successor's
were handed about, and it was said that they
could not remain a week in office. This re-
minded him of what used to be the case in the
Peninsula ; the intercepted correspondence of
Joseph .Buonaparte was full of observations upon
the blunders of the English General,, mu tof pro-
phecies that the allied army was about to be
destroyed ; but it always happened that this
blundering General, as soon as he got 'sight of
the enemy's army, annihilated it,—so it was with
respect to the rumours to' which he -alluded; if
they were:to' be believed, the Ministers could
not exist a' week, but. when the battle took Wrace
the truth appeared, the Whigs were defeated,
and the Ministers confirmed in their places, There
was -only' one other point on which he wished to
say a few words. ADnisters were accused of per-
secuting the- Queen, and the strongest epithets
were lavished upon them, but how would` the
Whigs have acted if they had been, in poWer,
and had been in possession of evidence which
they believed affected the Queen ? They would
not have negotiated, they would have proceeded
at once, and if the opinion of one of the Whig
Leaders had been taken they would have pro-
ceeded 'against her for High TreaSon. Another
charge against them was, that by proroguing-
Parliament they had prevented the Queen for two
months from obtaining any redress ;' but what
was the proposal in thexelebrated letter of Lord
John Rusell.?. Why, after the Report of the
House of Lords had been made, after the Bill of
Pains .and Penalties had been brought in, he
proposed in August last that Parliament should
he prorogued, which would have placed the
Queen in that very same situation for six months.
Mr.,Pole then lfplied to the animadversions of
Sir James Mackintosh upon. Mr. Banked, and
paid a very high tribute to the public conduct of
the- latter Gentleman.—(This speech was fol-
lowed by-loud and continued cheering.)
Sir F. BURDETT disclaimed any intention of
following the Right Hon. Gentleman who had
last spoke through all the rhapsodies he had in-
dulged in. They had no reference to the ques-
tion before the House,. Whether the 'Whigs had
or had not acted inconsistently on this or on that
'questioa were matters of perfect indifference to
the House, and the Country, compared with
tire present question. But he was not a little
surprised to hear at this day any set of men,
either iii or out of the House, declare a. belief
that-the House did in its present form, represent,
conliilaely,accurately,and properly, the feelingg
01 the'people. Constituted asit at present was
be confessed that he thought the only mode of
doiog any good in that House was the means
of union to attack the phalanx. The Right
Honourable Gentleman had talked a great deal
about the public opinion being with . the
Administration of the day. kriut he in

the same breath asserted that the Administration
was-opposed by the Whigs, being a body of great
'talent, wealth, and character in the Country, and
the Radicals, which he said were the great bulk
of the people, he (Sir F. Burdett) was at a loss
to know where the Right Hon. Gentleman found
the majority of public opinion in his favour.With
respect to the question before the House, divest=
ing.the.matter of all its legal technicalities,. and
looking at the plain facts with the aid of common
sense, he thought it was impossible to say, that
'Ministth had on this occasion acted with the en-
tire concurrence of the nation. Lookingat any
part of the proceedings, whether at the begin-
ning the middle or the end, he thought them
equally deplorahle.and bad. Ministers- had fre-
quently,..said, that they. had always been most
anxious and willing to maintain. the tranquillity
of the Country-. There were three ways of ac-
complishing this ; —one, it appeared, by inducing
her Majesty to remain abroad. If they desired
that she should stay abroad, they should not have
made it impossible for her to remain there, They
should not have caused her to be insulted where-
ever she Went. Instead of doing this, Ministers
had made her return impossible to be avoided.—
The Right Hon. Gentleman said Ministers re-
ceived inforMation which made it indispensible
to bring charges against th Queen, and they
went .on to 'declare that the only mode of pro-
ceeding was by Bill of Pains and Penalties.—
They could not seek the life of the Queen, but
they merely wished to prove her conduct was
such as to render her unworthy of the Throne.
Why did they not apply, if that was their ob-
ject, to the Ecchisiastical Court, without all the
disgusting discussion which had been brought on.
A proceeding in that Court would have received
the sanction of public opinion ; but the Ministers
had acted directly the reverse of what would
have been prOper. It was impossible for any
Administration to commit a grosser- 'offence
against:the King and the Public. They had
produced charges supported, only by testi-
mony upon which no man would hang a
dog. A. Right Honourable Member had stat-
ed last night that the Bill of Pains and Penalties
was. the only constitutional mode of proceeding
Ministers could adopt.. He thought it was cal-
culated, more , than any other, to excite odium
against the Queen ; but the Right lion. Gentle=
man had spoken as if he believed the Queen still
in the situation of a persbn guilty of the charges.
—(Hear!)--If she really was considered guilty
by the Gentlemen on the other side of the House
what became of the appropriate and excellent
measure? Why was it abandoned? If they con-
sidered the Queen guilty, why give her any al-
lowance, or consider her at all worthy the' hrone
of England ? lie wished to know what justice,
there was in this course of proceeding. They
had made foul charges, and supported theM by
evidence worse than any he could describe. The
Right Hon. Gentleman had spoken of the Queen's
Morals in a manner which did not indicate the,
true feelings 'of a man. It*was baSe—ungener-
ous—(Herethe lion. Baronet was-called to order.) ;

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The) SPi:AICER the (Tank used by the
Hon. Baronet was di:an-dm-Iy.
Sir F. Bulimia-at expresse4 himself obliged to
the Speaker for checking, any deakttion froir
order ; but he could no: avoid saying, the circu-
lation of groundless charges agaiiart an unhappy
Lady, in the Queen's sittia:ion, was calculated to
excite: the stron4est conipassion, It was not a
pro Bono publico proceeding, and when the At-
Conley. ;.(general- commenced the prosecution,
that Gentleman shoold have felt a disposition
to extenuate rather than aggravate the- casea-a
The Honourable and Learned' Gentleman, by
proving, one fact only, might have spared all
the rest, and kept back from the view of
the country all the nauseena description. One
Net proved, in a paoceeding pro bond public°,
would•have been enough to satisfy- the people.
As the case had been got up, it was impos-
sible to avoid exciting prejudice, and here he
could not well forbear saying the conduct of the
AttorneyaGeneral was inconsistent. The other
day the Attorney-General objected In the Court
of King's Bench to admit an examination of facts.
The Ron. Baronet was desirous 'of proving facts
by a number of affidavits, as a qualification of a
paper he had written. The Attorney-General
thought the affidavits of facts were unnecessary
to his defence. It was objected, and the Court
supported the objection, that affidavits containing
•eliargea against individuals `could not be received,
because they would bringaneicto trial unfairly.—
They would bring. charges in :a: Civil Court
against persons who ought to be tiled in a Crimi-
nal Court, not upon affidavits, but evidence given
before a jury. The Hon. Baronet could never
approve of the doctrhe as apadied to Iris case,
because a .body of dragoons could not be regu-
larly brought to trial. The view taken by the
Attorney;General, who made the Objection,
ought to lead him also to object to the conduct of
Ministers,_ who had .preft.ltied charges against
the Queen not in a regular manner. it was
not possible for the Honourable and Learned
Gentlemairto maintain -one doctrine in the morn-
ing in the Court of King's_ Bench, and another
in the: House of Commons at night. The wit-
nesses against the Qiteen were all worthy
.of
credit, their oaths were-to be taken, they were
Roman Catholics too ; yet in discussing the
Catholic question, it Was held that the oaths of
Such men as Lord Fingal could not be :taken.
They were put out of the pale of the constitution
because their oaths could riot be taken. Fortu-
nately the public saw the fallacy; they Would not
give credit to the worst witnesses ever collected.
It was great good fortnne for theßuyal Family
that 'the "charges were not believed, supported as
as they were by such evidence. It proved that
the loyalty and attachment of the people to the
Ilonae of 13runsWick could not be shaken by in.
styli-meats 56 despicable. Thellon: Baronet then
censured all the measures pursued With respect
to the Q'ieen, and concluded by declaring that
-Ministers had not exercised. that wisdom and
sound discretion in the use they had made of the
prerog,ative of the' Crow n.---111r.TEEL explained'.
The ATToitNEY-G IN ER AL said, it -was not his
intention 16'hare troubled the. House during this
debate; but he was sure the HoUse would feel
afterathe observations-made 'personally by the
lion. BarOnet, that he waS.cempelled to answer
them. The Hon,'Baronet conimeneed his speech
by snaking two complaints against the speech of
his !too. Friend near him (Mr. Peel). First he
said his lion. Friend had departedomalecoturn,
but the Attorney-General appealed to the house
whether the Hon. Batenet had not, much More
violated/decortun ?—(llear, hoar ! from the
111i-
nisterial side of the House:—.N.6, no! from the
Opposition.)—The observation's the lion. Baronet
'applied 'to himself had led•hian beyond the bounds
of decorum. The Hon. Baronet had chosen on
that occasion to go from the question before the
House. The Hon. Baat.'s obseiNations applied to, a
speech which he (the Attorney-General) made
two d-tys ago in a cause in Width the lion; Ba=
toilet was a party. What had that ilintsta todo
with transactions passing in the King's Bench?
It was painful to state' What'passed there, but it
was necessary to advert to the decision of the
Court, with which the Hon. Baronet"s Counsel
was satisfied ;- but it seemed the lion. Baronet
was not satisfied, and he came to speak in Par-
liament agaidst it. His observations in Court
had .been-described as
_being at variance with his
argument'in that Muse upOn the question re-
specting the Queen. The House would no doubt
indulge him with a few remarks, in order that all
might not rest on the ipse dixit of theiidnour-
able Baronet. What was the coarse the lion.
Baronet wished •to pursue ?: He, had a bundle
of affidavits in Court, which referred to personS
not before the-Court. The charge against the
_Honourable Baronet was publishing -a paper
which the Jury considered a libel. The Ho=
noontide Baronet professed to have read it in a
newspaper, and he prOdueed affidavits to prove
his 'statement was true. 'The Court could not try
on affidavits persoas accused olmurder, cutting,
and maiming. The Court, upon due considera-
tion, would not receive the affidavits; then the
Hon. Baronet stated that his conduct was not
right. with respect to the proceedings against the
Qata n. Certain papers we're sent to him by the
'House of Lords, which he Was obliged to open
as a case. lie did so, and nothing had, occurred
to convince him he • had 'thine wrong. ne
garded not whether the lion. Baronet gave 'him
credit for correctness of conduct; all who knew
hint would do him justice. He did' not ' wish to,.
excite imprOper prejudices against any pecsOn,
but he thought it his duty to open the case Upon
the evidence laid before him. lie narrated the
facts without distending or inflating the charges.
Was it his fault that the facts were of attliSost-
ing nature ?—it was the fault Of the evidenee.
He did no more than his duty, and the Him.
Baronet•did him injustice and wrong when 'he,
stated that he ought not-to haye made the state-
ment. Many of the facts wete'disclosed in 'the
strongest manner, and not opened so strong.
Many facts were provedby the evidence—(Hear,
hear !)—which went beyond the opening speech.
The. Hon.' Baronet SuppOsed it was the duty 'of
the Attorney,General to Consult with-the wita'
neSses, but that view was most erroneous. It
was Ilia duty. not to have the slightest cotriinunl

cation with the with.c- Sses. It was Objectectihat
the alleged term of the .Queen's misconductwas
stated to be longer than-the evidence- warranted.
Who: wouN not have thought that the circum-
stance of Bergami remaining with the Queen entil
she quitted St. Onset's, warranted the concliisions
he drew ? Nothing the Hon. Baronet had. said
would make him depart from the sound path of
duty. The Hon. and Learned Gentleman thanked
the House for the indulgence afforded him. Ile
had p e h on a subject with which the HOuse
had nothing to do. What he had said, he con-
sidered necessary for the justification of his own
conduct.—Sir F. BURDETT explained.
Mr. Ticaxcy said he had given way SO long
that other Gentlemen might have an opportunity
of speaking, that •he was apprehensive, if- he
waited longer, he should uet be able to address
the House himself. This •was a motion, accord-
ing- to the statement of -the Hon. Members on
the other side of the House, Ns, i h no. other object
than to turn out his Majesty's Ministers. lie
did not vote for the motion on that view. .lt-
Was eight months since they received a Mes-
sage from his. Majesty, on the arrival of the
Queen in England, and since that Message
much had been done. If the House really
considered the proceedings against hex Me-
jestr unimportant, he for one would abstain -
frora:saying orte word ; but if, on the contrary,
they considered it a case calling on eve-4 Mem-
ber for his opinion, he should hold himself bound
to deliver his sentiments. When the charges
were first prepared, he. concluded that the
Queen's name had been removed -from the Li-
turgy upon the evidence of some offence corn-
miaed by her Majesty. He had subsequently
formed an opinion, and he would explain what it
Was : let the event of the motion be what it
might, the House was to consider why the terms
were offered ' to the Queen at St.. Omer's.—Mr.
Tierney adverted to all the proceedings al.;ainst
the'Queen .previous to the Milan Commission be-
ing sent out. That body was sent to collect evi-
denceagainst her Majesty=---a.step he considered
most dangerous to the tranquillity of the coun-
try. If the Milan Commission were sent out by
his 'Majesty's Ministers to collect infoxmation
againSfrthe Queen, and no., notice was given her,
'it was unquestionably a proceeding ivhich could tint
be sufficiently, censured. It was not unreasonable
to suppose' the Queen had no intention' to return
to this CountrY 'befoie she found spies placed
around her person, and measures taken to degrade
her. A .proposition was made to her Majesty
which she could not accede to. She was to. give
up her rights. The Queen of England was -re-
quired by the noble Lord and his Colleagues to
renounce her country. He,then described thia
course pursued by Ministers and the. House from
the period when the motion was made by the
Member for- Bramber, up to the discussion
the Bill,of Pains and Penalties. Ile commented
on 'the conduct of a flight : Hon. Gent. who, w ith
Some few
-exceptions, approved of the whole of the
conduct of_Ministers. He (Mr. Tierney) :from'
the course of their proceedings, had plainly seen
that .their*feeling was, this : "The Queen has re-
sisted us," and shall therefore be degraded." It now that the Attorney-General had opened
several of the cases against the Queen merely
beCause they were set down in his brief.. For this
he did -not blame the Learned Gentleman, who
had only done his duty as Counsel,. but he
blamed those who had put such a brief into his
hands. lie complained that such a body of evi;•
donee as had be-en seen in the other House should
ever have been produced against the Queen of
England ; be complained that such a set of vaga-
bonds as they had seen should be produced on
the part of the prosecution, without a- single
question being put to any respectable person.
The President of the Board of Controul had
arghed that the second reading of the Bill having
been carried, her Majesty had been voted guilty;,
this he could not admit. He, however, doubted
whether Ministers had a right to abandon the
proceedings as they. did ; he doubted whether
they had a right to subject the Queen to. all
the inconveniencies of a trial, and then- deny
her the full advantages of, .an
An lion. Gentleman 'near him had opposed this
proposition from the beginning, because, 'if car-
ried, it would produce a change of Alinisters.--- .
lie was alarmed, :not so much by the apprehen,
sion that Ministers might be turned out, as 41141
others would be turned in, and then lie feared
that Catholic Emancipation, Parliamentary-. R-
eform, and the repeal of the Bills past in the. last
SeSsion of Parliament, would fellow. Ile (WT.),
though he always inculcated. the doctrine that it
was laudable for younger men to wish for office,
had' for himself personally. at' his time of life,no
wish that-way. He would not come in without a
change of system. He wished for Catholic Eman-
cipation, and his, opinion of the Bills passed last-
year remained unchanged. To Parliamentary At,
form he had been friendly all. his life. lle had
changed his opinions as hegrew older as to the way.
in-which it ought to be effected, but to the principle
to which he had ever .been firmly established. Ile
Wished for such alteform as would give the pet).-
ple a chance of being better represented in the
Reuse of Commons. This was the sort of lie_
form to which he was attached. These were his
prinCiPles„.and if he were taken at all into the
service of the country, with thesemusthe be
taken. He denied, as Mr. Pitt had formerly
done, that that. House as at present constituted,.
spoke the sense of the people.* It was not there-
fore to, be assumed, that because Ministers had
a-majority there, it followed of course that they-
posSessed the confidence of the people. Men would
not be trampled upon because they were told--
" 0 you must ,support this :Government, because
it gave us peace, and the Chancellor of the Ex- -
chequer, that great financier, called forth all our
resources.;" to
_which it might be answered
" Yes," and he ,spent them all into the bargain
—(A laugh.)—The people were apt so dull but
they must perceive that there was something
wrong in the administration of their affairs. The -
party .of the Noble Lord hail now been in power •
(with very little exceptidn) five or. six and thirty -
years; and nozeald any man tell him that there
was nothing bad in the system which had brought
the country to its present situation ? The ques.,
tion now before them was of no common. impOrt- • •