The Sun.
London, England, 1828-05-31 00:00:00

difference in the duties performed by thee officers, an. ife j
had been consequently a great reduction msde in the 'l')
attached to the office. Formerly the chief clerk!"
,superintend all the officers of the establishment, and 'r
tend to various other matters; .but now his duty WO
fined merely to the registration.of aliens.
Mr. BARING . said there was another superaa4
chief clerk, to whom it appeared that 6371. a )14
allowed. He did not know which of these'chief cWr
was ; but he happened to know that one of them, ‘"'
demo of the name of Lee, was at present resident,'
nera, where he lived in great splendour, and kept
riage upon the superannuation allowed by this court:4
(Hear.) While the cost of this entire establi6P,
amounted to 2,038/., the superannuation allef:i
amounted to 2,530/.. It was surely necessary teal„
reduction should be made in such expenditure.
Mr. Alderman _WAITHMAN recommended
vernment to adopt the principle acted upon in the Pi,
London, where all their superannuated officers •orefit
liged .to insure their lives.—The resolution was then Eat,
carried.

official doeun
homense mai
Resolution
The next t
to, defray the
t-; mainibsione
The resolu
~11E, who
aue by the
them to to the I
The next
98,6101. for
for the sever
1828, •
melud
Mr. H 11.1;
stationery of
W 4 the sum
t° the differel
'lOll Would cc
for one-third
6°o/. a-year
ItOre-keeper

The next resolution was fur the grant of a sum 01'
seeding. 15,497 L ISs. Bd. to defray the charge
allowances, or compensations granted as retired allow
to persons formerly employed in public offices, or Jet
wants, for 1828.

per,
"'tiger, 1,59
14n, carters,
°f 40,8241 ac
=l°49, retired
"Pense was

Mr. MABERLY inquired by what authority the
of 3101. 13s lid. for the superannuation alloWall
surveyors,, inspectors, and stamp-masters of linen,
Scotland, Whose offices had been abolished by Act of
liament, had been introduced under this estimate?
Mr. G. R. DAWSON said, that .at the time the 0
were abolished, compensation to the amount of 1,5101;j'
awarded to the officers, and of -that sum the BOB;,
Trustees for Manufactures in' Scotland agreed tilj
1,2001. upon Government advancing the remaining 5/110
Mr. MABERLY said it was plain, from the 0,
Gentleman's statement, that Government had no s",_:
rity whatever for ,introducing such an item into these;
mates. It Was peileetlY proper that these offices ;
baie been abolished, but what right or authority Oaf
Government to 'give allowances to the officers who ba
been Governincht officers? These officers had bee'
by fees, aed they had no claims whatever upon the '
verrment.

stationery,
agreed to.
The 'next
:13 defray the
or protiecutit
far 1824.-:—.
The next
to defray thi
Ironies of Pa
The next
to defray the
The maxi
106,958/, tc
maintaining,
muds, for 18
HIM
lids on boar
Ivais of any s 4
which

Mr. DAWSON said the grant had been sanctiotte4i.
Parliament upon due consideration, and had beeoa
in these estimates for three or fOur years smecessiyelri
After some further , conversation, the resolution
agreed to.
The next resolution was for the grant of a 1
14,3401., to enable his 'Majebty "to grant relief to ,
lonese and Corsican emigrants, Dutch naval officer'
Domingo sufferers, and others who have heretufote;
ceived allowances from his Majesty, and, who, from sef"i
performed or losses sustained, have special claims upoo
Majesty's justice and liberality."
Mr. HUME believed there was an utiderstandiol,
no addition would be made to this grant. He peretlo'
that a reduction of 600/. had been made in this grant'
last year. '

Pose
Letter to sen
Atr. PEI
Who could
acivautage ;
te. that colon
24uld shew t
float usefull3
4aval depart
*as effected
stead of se
e held in h
of heidthy co
14065 ; of s
t!Pense of
ow the es

4 little over

The resolution was then put and agreed to. • ;1
The sun► of 2,500/. was voted to defray the expel°
the National Vaccine Establishment for 1828. _

40 convicts
4en put to
73,000/. fro

On the resolution for the grant of 3,0001. for the
port of the institution called " The Refuge for the
tute," for 1828, being put,
Mr. Alderman WAITIIMAN thought a great deal
alight be effected with the stint if a proper system Of
•
nomy were enforced in the institution.

°Lily left
three It dfper
they had an
annual expe
Lilt if sent
!iderahly ni

Mr. numE by. no means objected to this- instil
but he objected altogether to the principle of.Gover°
supporting charitable establishments which should bed
to the voluntary support of the public at large. of 1(i
aeived that this-grant was being gradually reduce"'
1826 it amounted to 5,000/. ; in 1827 to 4,000/. i
in the present year it was reduced to 8,000/.,--lie
that it would be still further reduced.
Sir T. BARING believed the institution to be 04
ductive of the greatest utility, and he trusted that no fl,
reduction.would be made in the sum granted for its ON
Mr.' W. PEEL said, that in an interview whichstha
last week with a gentleman connected with this ea 11
.went, he had been assured that the strictest econoiall
practised there. He trqsted that the grant, instead 'of
reduced, would be enlarged next year.—The resoled°
then agreed
.to.
LeTlyaliestss for
ur00f1842,58.00i. was voted for the relief of Atari
s. ;.•
On the resolution for the, grant. of 3,604 J. 10a. to
the exnences of coofin;ns said maintaining criminal 105
for 1828 being put, •
Mr. HUME-inquired how many lunatics were
for that amount?
Mr. PEEL said the Hon. Gentlenian should not sue
that the whole of that sum was expended in the mere
tenance of the lunatics. It included also the expense'
j
curred in -the building and repairing of the establishw,
where the lunatics *ere confined, the salaries of the kee,eo
the wages of the servants and labourers, &c. Then
45 males and 10 females, is all 55 lunatics confined t 4
The charge for the maintenance of each was 4f1•10
and the other charges arising from the pay of 019
kespera,• &e., raised the amount to WI. each. ' 2 f
sum was the total au appropriated to the maintenance ° I
lunatics, and the remainder of the grant went to defraYb
expense of the repairs and alterations in the buildioPj
Mr, W. PEEL said the expense of repairing an
painting the building this year amounted to 3201. b
Mr. HUME said, 80/. for the maintenance of °co
dividual was a great deal too much. In private 014

mints; liinatie;Were maiutained at a much soniLtOli hata not ex
pease; and why the public should be called IVO eg,t, Pay bills dr
at the rate of 80/: for each lunatic, appeared attrif slid others
him. In the place- in Scotland which he (Mugoi , Geo. 111.,
represented, there existed an asylum for lunatics, ,i conformity
he knew that QO/. was the outside of all' the esPe`fei:S 1808, and
curred in the maintenance of each individual, and it captured ne
the general charge. Butidolcing at the rate t'll2r° 0., AI
Settlers.r. HI.
this establishment, fur the support of which they ,
called ripen to vote this sum, he would say that it W The CF
third, or one half more than it ought to Ise. %9 that it was
.After a few further observations from Mr. 013- , board vase;
Mr. Perm, 'the resolution was agreed to. -
b 90 Mr. HU.
The next resolution was for a sum not exceeding -t and then tl
7e. 10d. for paying the' usual allowances to ?lod. which he tl
Dissenting ministers in England, poor French o°„7- if. „ Air. DA
refugee clergy, poor French Protestant refugee 1.,,,,,, Number. '
sundry small charitable and other allowances tn 'Pe ' berroes'esi
of St. Martin's-in-the-fields, and otbers. 1 'b '
tias e supporte
Mr. HUME complained that there was no red° di '. Mr. R.
. , to $, •
this grant. The poor French Protestants caul- 01; lie would t
country after the revocation of the edict of Nantes/
_.- tt' landed to
protested against their living so long—(A laugh)-- . Stood it was
expence of the country. ' . „,;eld! , tleighbourir
'Mr.' /I ERRIES said, that, under.a regulation u'l
bow settled
k (If the settle
,
been recently made, the parties alluded to would sb'
speedily. He had not doubt but that the sums now P-tiiit %her tribe
to them wouliTall in befori long, and the expenee"") thought thi
extinguished. ' tight to rei
Resolution agreed to. ' edit) Pose the n(
The next resolution was for a sum not e-t et oe' The Cr
49,0001., for his Majesty's foreign and other se_.,cf" . 'ive no di
vices, for 1828, cle;r of fees and all other deduciin":jord' however, t
Mr: Alderman WAITHMAN observed, that ill, be Seould not
years, when this country was at war, there oi,ignosidel Lord F.
been a neeesaiiy for secret service money ; but, r-thoif , refer to sot,
intotha present circumstances of the empire, both tit d ' l'!'om the it
and abroad, he thought they might diminish this ',*'' Mr. R.
'siderable grant. ~ caw' twat an hill Arr.
Arr. DAWSON said, that on a comparison Wit'hajlte' ' 'lot was ,;
years, it woribl be found that the present estimate.- Settled at i.
. ,
reduced. „otlif • The CH
Mr. HUME said, that this vote was foreign and
secret services : and he should be glad to know t°- 01' '3 not yet t
Se ' Mr. R
services the word " other" referred ? As Ireland/ to 1
°tight to I
land, and England, were in a perfectly tranquil stat.. 011 Sierra Leo
be required for thntu. No secret service-money 'II it 4 '" away w
been recently necessary in England. He thought 0, 4ctual hires
fair to ask what proportion of this secret servirj;erPl 1411ipted t(
was devoted to the use of the Home Department* if ag' ',es.
some of it might find its way into boroughs; 01.' -loci' „ Sir G. I
neral election were coming on, a portion of it might 'roan •
ployed in that
. ~-, 0,,,, ougrit di
Mr. PEEL said, the money was strictly applied it° '"leted mu
' purposes for which it was voted. In 'this countrY Fernando., 1
been expended in the detection of dangerous 804 - 'ity. The
conspiracies ; and past transactions stkowel the ), .00g, .• It'tit*.e v
. having recourse to, such -a farad, A very sn'3.. -.ea' ,'one w,t.
been required; for t 1.84 nac4 year,—the total expeni ;Ilother be:
Home .> ..• being only 1,000/.
~,,,4 . 'lgar plir
I,(se. DARING said, the vote for e.ecou SeP:'-i,004.1 thAfter a
ought to be confined within as small a compass as IV resolut:
Even 1,000/. he considered ae, a hirge 'sum for du' et . The n,,
• • , , . ~, • . , lc, C.
Department, , ''°oo/. I
Mr. PEEL—There are some, past ;Minus si'c' ,e '414;" an(
. V Poi
transaction's of 1619. ,14 t' N rated on
The resolution was. agreed to, after a few Foss ti'', 04 :'.,p'ha, Poi
Mr. Alderman WAATHnA-N, who. again conteutoets' 11144 tro
considerable reduction ought to be made in the ads e ?8,1,, .d
thia item. /nil,' . ft!() effect,
The next resolution was for a sum not two Wag aaced
80,000/., to defray the expense of printing AO, tliC The ut,:
• • tiir 4%000/ merit, and bills, reports, and other papers, 0, A.
0 of th ‘•
• Houses of Parliament, for .1y82& co cora . e anal
Mr. I-lUME could not see why the priatiogro,vo Or Arne, jo
be done for nue-third of the preient expense.
no s't 4, HI
Mended. the course adopted in America end Fro kept up., '