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London, England, 1817-02-27 00:00:00

gross libel ott.thelligirer orders, and he 4(4'h...1114
Noble Lott! to alit ..v 144,,t one Nohkolas' or one
Gentleman was eoeuected with them. 11e would
a>l<'ii t,nt could he 'named ? and if tlds wete nor
done, he, must coneholo the Report assetted tt
~doworight falsehood. Ile lead a right to 11SSIIIIIC
no Nobleman or "Gentletrfan could be named,
among those who favoured the designs of the con-
spirators, as his Right Hon. Friend ow di former
night had stated this to iie the fact. He bad their
a right to ceositre•this part of the Report, for lie
hoped there would be • in that House my situfflieg
about a coition', as there had been elsewhere;
no attempt to give it a meaning different trout that
which common seose wrseld .attach to it. Streit
its it appeared to him, he pronounced it to be
tra'sh,' and wholly unworthy of, their attention.
The Brit now before the House he considered! it to
he his ddAy most- strenuously to oppose. When
this should have passed. into a law, be or any
other Member, however innocent, might be de-
prived of their liberty at the pleasure of Mink-term,
as the'Noble Lord had said they were accountable
both to God and man for the consequences which
might follow their endeavours to check the pro-
fusion of Government, and protect the liberties
tat the people; lie ,hould be reld,ctant to give the
powers non. called for to Hoy Minister, but he was
particul,rly unwilling to give them to one who
haviog been already entrusted with them,
rliniihidly 'Marlowd his hands in the blood of his
country, and who had been screened from the
consequences by a 13111 f 4 Indemnity.
Lord CAcTL, EAGII spoke to order. lie felt it
his duty, to cull upon the flon. Member to state
which individual member of the present Govern-
ment had criminally inibraed his hawks in the
6100 d of' his country ?
11i. BENNETT said, he charged the members of
Iris Majesty's Government, in their official short-
tions, with having before called for the very same
powers whiCh they now required, and with having
abused the trust then reposed in than, and after-
wards covered their tniscooduct with a Bill of,ln-
det»nity.
Lord CAsTLEaRAott,-1 have then to say, that
if it has been asserted that I ever criminally im-
brued my panels in the blood 'of ray country, the
Honourable Member has stated that which is a.
falsehood.
Lord Sltt,Totst rose to order, Ile anxiously
hoped the business between the honourable Gen:.
leman and the Noble Lgi'd would go no farther.
lle did not take upon himself to state what ought
,n
.he done, but he could not,lielp recalling to the
vcontetion of the House what bad list fallen
'clim the Ilonoorable (lentleman. lie (NIE. Ben-
tett) had then stated, rot thou the Noble Lord
tad criminally itubrned Iris hauls.bt. the blood of
tis country, hut that Ministe,rs had cicted critud
tally under the, law for suspending , the habeas
Corpus Act, and bad rate' wards obtained a bill of
indemnity..
Lord CssTr.v.tteAGiu Wished to know the natute
of. the imputed criminality. If ae.find been guilty
of a crime of the nature of that ascribed las he
bad understood) to him, it was that
,whi. h 110 Bid
of Indenkni,y could! cover. He threretore rcptal.
eel, if such conduct had been imputed to him, the
110 n. N ember had stated a falsehood.
Mr. Yotlxa submitted it was open for the lion.
9entleman-to explain the words he had used. At
.present it appeared he had brought is criminal
ehargeagainst the Noble Lord. It must be un-
derstood there was a wide difference between-4i
charge of ct intinality; and a charge of having done
that which was merely illegal, An Act that was
illegal ;night be justified, and a Bill of Indemni-
ty given its soon as it 'was ip,keti. It was very
different where Criminality was charged. If the
Hon. Gentleman, having asserted this, meant to
keep to his words, he , ought to name a day on
which he would bring the Subject under the con=
s Idt:ration of the !louse, mid endeavour to make
the charge. out. It', however, he only meant to
say, the Noble Lord, as a Meniber of the Go.
veroment, had beiot a party to measures which
made it necessary that,a Bill of Indemnity should
subsequently be called for, in that ease lit should
hope that the lauguvr4e which had been used
might be passed over, as having. Unintentionally
fallen from hint in the heat of &Ore.
Alr, W. WYNNE, however much he might' res
fret that the charge should have been made at all,
it he had heard hint correctly, he-had not directed
it personally against the Noble Lord, brit against
his Majesty's Ministas—(Cries of " No, no.")-s--
He (Mr. Wynne) might have misunderstood his
Hon. Friend, but the impression made upitn his
mind was, that he objected to trust the -power
now called for in the hands. of Ministers, who
had already imbrued their hands in the blond
their country. It sometimes occurred, that a
lons debate took place on language wool by an
lion. Member, before it was ascertained what the
expressions called in question really were. If' he
recollected what had been said by'the froth Gen-
tleman, bli charge Was directed iit uitm the Cci-
vernMetit, for having done that which made 'a
Bill of Indemnity necessary, To *such a charge
be begged that it might be understood he %%113 irOt
ir
ill the slightest degree disposed- to become a
party ; but still he must say !reconsidered such
language turn to he disorderly, nor such as Ought to
have subjected hint to interruption from file Noble
Lord. fle,.lorwever, begged- orgrriu to say he
conld not sunlit the justice of the charge, either
against
.they
individual or the
Mr. BRAND said, it certainly did strike him thot
the Honourable' Gentleman had used the word
criminally. Whether the application of such
language to the Noble Lord or to the 6,,ventment
cold(' or could hOt be justified, he would not now
stop to inquire ;' but at all events it heti eppeared:
to hint r hat the word was not applicable to that
with which the llouomalde Gendlemanhad con-
nected It. Ile did not thudk it conic( '6e used -to-
mark that which he fiteatit, to express: lit
intended to-,charge the Noble LOrd and the Gti
vernttOnt with was 'clearly this, that they bad
done that 'ruder the laW for the suspension of the
I,ittbeas'Coritus Act, for which it was necessary
!hat a Bill of luderuoity shoddhl be hi ii,sht in to
screen them front tlre consequence, Now, saying
this, he could riot mean to iiCelisp' them of any
Icing oititin4l, as that worthd not he ediMprehendS-
ed in the Act of Indemnity, which wily protected
:hem horn actions might otherwise be

b)On,glit agnaitest them, on aCeoOilt i f thihg% (loot-
while the liabeas•Corptis Act was suspended.,
The SPEAKER apprehetplvd the point of order
depended on this ipiestion : Did the 1190. Member
mean to charge his Majesty's Ministers in the
aggregate with imbruing their bands in the blond
of their country, or with other acts of criminality,
0r did he make this charge agaiust one individnal
of the Government ? If the charge was made
against the Ministers in thy aggregate, there was
no breach of order ; but if it was against one
individual, then there was a direct departure from
those rides wiiich governed the debates in that
!.louse. 'The Him. Member would perhaps not.v
be good enough in satisfy the Ilonse in which
sense his wolf's were to be taken.
Mr. lb NNETT lose, in order to CoMply With the
wish jil.l expressed by the Chair. Thus called upon,
he had no hesitation in saying—but he begged to.
assure the !louse he wonld be the last man alive
to retract any thing he might have said from any
regard for the consequences which might ensue;
so far as they could ;affect himself,—he had, how--
ever, no hesitation in saying theNharges in ques-!
firm were meant generally, and were not intended
to be confined to one inditieie,al. IVben lie had
of a Minister imbruing his hands. in the
blood of Dis Comm y, he had not meant to speak
of the t%vo hands belonging, to any individual'
Member of the Government, but he spoke at all
that Administration in whose time' those scene,
had passed in Ireland, which he should ever sin-
Terely lament, and limier which this very law was,
called ink. If he "had known that to use the word
illegal would have been more correct' titan to use'
the word which been•so p,titicularly noticed,- lie
should have been glad ,to adopt it. It bad been
remarked the word " criminial`" did not apply In
any thing that could be covered by a bill of in-
demaity, amt as it was with reference to this that
he had spoken, it'followed that " criminal." could
not be the .eXpression which he wished to wse.—
Instead of
,saying criminally," it would have'
beet) better that he should have said illegal; Ther
charge was certainly meant to be general.
Loid CAkTLEREAGII, witch be interrupted the
!1011. Member, had thought the charge which he
!link-nada was directed personally against him Now
that lie had heard the limiAientleman say he
meant it generally against the Government of
which lie teas a Member, he had no cause to•com..
plain. He was satisfied the Hon. Nleniner hard not
retracted silty thing that us a mail of himmtr he
head asserted and was bound to maintain. He
(Lord Castlereagh) had no right pet sonally to ob-
ject • to any charge. which the lion. Gentleman
might think proper to bring against that Adini-
nistration, but he had no hesitation' in'saying-ihe
charge of cruelty if preferred-against it was false.
„Doing, this, however, he meant no offence to thou
lion. bent!. man, and he trusted the course lie was
faking Will not disorderly. TheHonourable-Gen-
tleman, he thonglit, 'could 'irrit Complain .on the
presciv oceasion,as describing the-charge iwquesa
tion to be talse be did not deal more Inns:lily with
that, than he (Mr: W:tiett) had dealt with the
Report of the Committee, which laser
,ssin ci
of so many of, the 11m). t letwin's iends,
who indeed were 'partici. to it.
Mr. Bea N err had not charged i‘linisters with
crnelty in their arrests tinder the lay: fin. the NU9-
spellmioll of the liabeat: Curititi Act, but he had
complained (if die cruelties which had occurred in
the Castle-yard at Dublin, and Under the eyes of
some Members of the Government.
Lord CATLEREAUTI again spoke to order, The
[lon. Gentleman was again speaking to facts al-
leged to have occurred in Ireland. if he IWeIT
dis-
posed to make these the subject of discussion on
any future day, he (Lord C.) should be really to
meet and to answer the accusation now insinuated;
butt he would appeal to the House., and to the
feelings of the non. Gentleman himself, if the
peace oldie country ought thus to,be trifled with,
and if it was right that the'eliaraeters of publie
teen should thus be assailed by insinuations Mixed
up with otber 'matte'.
Mr. BENNETT had only taken the liberty to
state what were the facts to which lie load before
alluded, in Order to set hiMsell right 'with the
House. Ile hoped he should, be excused for what
had occurred he had felt warm, and hail spokeii
as he felt, but.,wonid now say no inure on the sub-
ject. lle concluded by again expressing his dis•
approbation of the Bill.

Mr. F. Law's was anxious to state the grounds
on. which be shout[; give his vote on the present.
occasion. lie could
.say with much, sincerity,
that he had not brought himself to the decision
be, had come to but with much reluctance. He
should vote for the suspension of the.-,Habeas
Corpus Act. _ He considered the Habeas Corpus
Act to be the great bulwark of the Cut st itution,
and the consummation -of our liberties. The
suspension of it was great evil ; bat he wel-
Coined this to avert a greater,
,as, if the measure
now in question Were not reiorted to; he believed
our liberties would be iu g rea t peril and jeopm dy.
fie had the most perfect confidence .in the inte-
grity and wisdbom Of the CoMmittec, and saw no
reason for calling itiquestiOn their Report,whiCh;
wherteVer.he walked imt.;, was abundantly -cdtro,
horated by the hand-hulk that, met his eye imeyery
direction, and other poblications of the most
blaspheutous.and• disgusting' nature. These were
circulated, not only in Lon,loh, but in the most
distant parts, and at such prices; that thry got
into the hands of the meanest until poorest persons
in the country.- lie could not but. Cansider what
was now seen tt be' the' pontintuttion of the
utis-
chief which was abroad in 1794 and 1795, which
had, lain by for a -time, rind bald ii ow, been brciught
torward with the same avowed objects and the
slime ultimate designs, to- take advantage of the
present distressed state of the country. He. wits
aware that Ihe'Srrispensiou at the- Habeas Corpus
Act had, in aA former eases, been jiwifivd by
'open rebellion Or by tineign War. He, how-•
ever, was slue, that our history would nut thew,
that alime of -war was that at which internal se-
dition -was .most to apprehended;• in' this con ,try.
He rather- inelined to' the belief', that the direct:
reVerse was the acknowledged fact • The distress
of the country was that on which delierate men
were'mow attempting to :work,-, tood l.e therefore
c9nsitered the danger to, be only limired by the
linitts of the distress. That distress Avail greatvr•
than had ever been known iu this country, and
the danger he considered to be nothing short of

„ t
h -it it was forineriV. 11”!
atirt'fit
()tweet itself isgaiost 'the tiatiorotis
ut>o
Jacobites. The doe) titles of the Spence/c,
heC
menaced all property ii) the cOeutiY,
it ed it was ecesiary at a time lik_r dtelt,
meent, and punish as an offence against to%
It would not be 6.tfe to leave them t°
dOwn hy publications of a different cliarotter'
't•IIS pelts olthe Habtnis Corpus Act P
be
m"
sort to' svhich the Cottsriitition !night
look for support on e,xtraordiaitry ticcasiala,
could have 'wished it had been tried tom',':_
evil by the existio, laws before, but it ‘v -
late to trust to Oat experiment now.
Yotitta said, the rill bad not )11'.
read. This Wits the first time a Bill sotii:
from the Lords had been debated bftt
within lii9 recolleci
might be proper to read it note.
Mr. SNIYTII (of Cambridge) (lid t.
n°-11:
danger which called for a law like that did
ot..
the consideration of the House. fie
that we had reason to fear the active few
this country be allowed to triumph overtlrif :
French Revolution was not occomp
the first outset by the un:00 of the few "a'
t
many, but by .the union of the many Iv°
Reform. It was imPortant resneallgt
the present moment, as that Itevi.tlatiooli
been accelerated by the want of
p.irt of the then French Government, 1:111
which it was now proposed to COINS( I°lit
sisters of this Country. It was nut
of an Habeas Corpus Suspension Act+
the
Revolution took place, but rather h'n°l ,fitt
1)1 such a :guard for the rights of the itt:/'}i'
• tit'at w hick it was now proposed to lia"col,4o
'.nlinitted that alarming efforts had heenii,loo
excite the people to acts of disloyaltYt, tit)
think the Spenceatkr principles ought
"'id) ilhlt contempt Which some eatktokot
thought the ouly notict that ought i° '11,40
them. Bat. if there were danger trig
men contrived Id evade the esissing iorha't
wi be altered to (leftist their efforts
the onoffentling mass of the people lie
.1°,11010:
(lie guilty designs Of a few. Ile °big: (ipld
BM') as it was at variairce with those Priuviti
ot)
our Const it 'rim), which taught us to rO,
'1
jealous
.eye on every actplisi:ion l'`'weed
ttelev
,e,4xer cutive ; ism' it was direct
tlisj t 1 IY-tliVsvi
Priociple- io our ,litV which held. 'l'l3l°l4
(1"1 many. gully should escaPe tic 01,
:11)i,nion
slrtelciiintaioniceetit,tsilsrehootsillgd
At t
r. uner
tot4fs
(t)vziii r,s (a)
Deans ei:_ittstoti.::ll°lo:il;ebibei:lisii,cl:°:r:Ei';:t.
Ilk"ncl.t.) had 'wondered how his !Light .100"
ventury I.a.itvi
,Itle Fi ieoti (\I r. Ponsimby) could
isgl
the s:sine chamber With the Nubic
lt
Castlereagh). If t I),s w e as any 014 1
fr 11, of t:4,
added to tbc imourtance of the ao fotsu°
Crtmtnittee, al the ioference tO tifj,iviac'tc'',
Iv", (bat the wCight of .ev.itlnce
great, that conid oe,,r.the 04011,
of „It:
to cone it' tt ith the N.ble
he lied reas'oo to he. st,je,itoils- hl`*9litt'e
'6"") ,vintlica!ed the Rcport of the
and contelided,
and..visionai y their pv!ticc!fii, ".C/C
with a Jealous eye, as, it; them tlifF t'osp„11:
set to deal with, the Howie havin4,
ago as in the ye.lr dvelared 164c141-t)..e
lugs forrished grounds to' v',..il.intlYartretOrld
`le,igPs• absard a' e
iniportant, from the rircitois"-;„,„1.
efog always most palatable 10 lb': t
doer
ibed their numbers to be very
principles were adopted by mitilVel°llls
or: tile count ty, veliio) did 11`,'1';ci'llit'4,1°:8i1
r SOenerani. phut adopto, ,
(inelinbers of these associations 14 (I`.l‘ll'is
!I 1" leatiWe .nine
he considered of the most ,1 111ger0"'
Lt bile it " gaged-in the cease all that Ivt'iotttit,t;
clan-Icier of the iodivicinals to %violin 01'11
, I ;1118ft:tell, it also'brought in aid
tlegood which might beloogt 0 them, 31' 01
wbo might repent, alit' wish to
Practices which bc„c„ reof.'ll(
by a dread of breaking this oath, li ellie",)
to tbi paths of hoties:.y 10Y'd.t.., lattc;
(c)lictiesi he further observed, kept b''s'fidlitrfol,
tp• it!"34e'n'hO belouged to thein,'hut 4'0.1
1,)(4, evidently fur the ptirPue• istter,',
filet); to wreak their vengeance t
Over the y should possess the pokra
118,4 flesigns like those which blot be i.°91,,,,Ace,
Si10111(1 iItIVC been formed in' a time °' „If 111'1„1
4.sislied an additional reason in favour',olFtel'4,,;
111 g of this Act, as it sheoeil dhe
the cons piral..ol s in their otvo st reogt ow?:sf)
di'!" e% cr. No mats could.deny
a treastmable naiiire had bee" icuiltncit.tPlii°l:it'
adloitted, thOligh te ,41,1
exist as to the extent of tile Id,ll, it theop'e'
31.-Parliattient to protect the loyal ags"),lelP',Al
cliira4tions of the wieked. L1°11(0,11'1" o" 1.1
rt „tit'
had guggesteil :plan :lit'? arto'l"g,
(k,eep down the disaffected; but this- ht.iof
r, as it tended to produce a civil 'clri;Lt
Opott mitotic. reiledtion, convinced t''),C01111
shori of the measure now propuse;',..:,,,itdertfal
I'l'4ll3' tranquillize the ott“
try l
schemes to live lootioies:ed, and ~„ co.°
the doctrines of the uin,,fti•c:'etl tt°s3 it u`tjl"dry
y
f I't
'Heil into action_ rine per,,, 0, ow co,
jilt
sat tlicrrt'ore so •rfal Hl cloy a of
I.:ti
.s.ei:j.roo:tilifisssittl;:ls::ei:eircirlis:lllo;‘)lo'airsiitsg'
t:'("tus, except triter] tio4 connl/1 vv'jf- 'tt
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the tlimeer 111 a revotto "on. I 1 'vs- I. tioi"
ti
t oct
such Peril' existed Alai the -itspetpl,`),,, tiir
"tl lakv'ir place Ile would reel"
sett instance uf iinv of 14v (1° rto oe 111(1,$
110 :,tispeusion tictii cwi.tol
1_1": in the eet, sante sc t
, bet'to
citm 'vvos their entetfl•taitted of
persons in The m 1. the pl- '
and Societies in the cuutitrY, atl" t
the as' o'f (we ‘llO-i:tPts(-Ivies ts'itll'ile,Sl,°:tibct).o%'lll)