The Sun.
London, England, 1817-02-19 00:00:00

FRENCH LOAN AND DM'S.

The Order of the Day upon which their Lord-
ship's were summoned being read,
The Earl of LAUDREDALE rose and adverted to
what he advanced on a former night. , Ile observ-
etl that one of the questions put by hint tt) Noble
Lords opposite was, whether commuoications had
been made by them, or measures take,' to make
the creditors of France, under the two • last Tree.
ties of Peace, aware that no into ference on the
part of the British Government would take place
in their behalf so as to commit the Government
of this conntry in, future. From what then fell
from a Noble Earl, he was inclined. to think that
some official communications front his. Majesty's
Government might have taken plate upon the
subject of the French LOan, which may relate to,
or go to affect the otlter question. In-this view
it was that he wished to briug the matter under the
consideration of their Lordships. IVith regard to
individualt„ lie was sufficiently aware they had a
tight to embark their properties as they thought
proper it was a sacred: right of a British
subject to dispose of his property to the best ad-
vantage. But the questian here was, whether his
Maje,ty's Government had given euconragement
to individuals to vest monies on French security.
So fartrom it, that under the circumstances, lie
thought it was their duty to discourage them from
io acting. The Nobic Earl then glanced at part
of the financial systetn of the country, particularly
the operation of the Sinking Fund, and denied that
the present, as established by Mr. Pitt, and for
which so much merit was attributed to him, was in
fact les:, oaerativti than any of the 'preceding, and
tramp po.gopt.rjstm sriitp‘ thaLe, sta Wished. by Sir
provisions in the 4th Article iu the Treaty of the
30th. of. May, 1814, and expressed his. hostility
to any arrangement that operated like a bonus to
subjects of this country, to vest their capitals in
France or any foreign country. His Lordship
concluded by moving that all official communica-
tions upon the subject of the Loan lately newt-
ciating fon France, front his Majesty's Govern-
ment, be laid upon the Table of the House.
The sari of LIVERPOOL called the recollecticn
of the House to what he had expressly stated on
the subject on a former evening. The individuals
wlio embarked in the transaction adverted to
were, as English subjects, at liberty so to do, and.
to vest their monies where they thought proper.
They were afforded neither encouragement nor dii-
couragement, in a transaction to which his Ma-
jesty's Government . were no parties, nor had any
engegement, either present or eventual, with 're-
ference to the transaction. This was what lie had
expressly elated on the former evening. - Judi,
victuals who embarked in theatfair did it on their
own responsibility. ; Government were no partieV
hatever to ir. lie by. -no means agreed: with
the Noble Earl, that it was the duty of his
Majesty's Got eminent to' go the length of dis-
couraging such a transaction such a step
would not, he 'thought,. be ,consistent with a
reelect to the operation of our laws, nor with
a reference to national policy. • With respect to
Ids observations' relative to the articles in the tWo
Nit treaties, the Noble •Lord; he should think,
could mit have forgotten the treaty of 1787; which
provided, that in case of the renewal of war, bow-.
ever unrepe,:ted, -and -under, Any circumstances,
the subjects of foreign Powers should have a full
year.,. to withdraw.:. their...pr,aperty,, :),Ipe conse-
quence was, that many persons did, cii.the faith
of this stipulatiou, itigage their capital in Freud)
speculations. But when the revollationary war
did break omit, there became -ski: ah inimediatc
and general confusion. of property, that it was
found absolutely impossible to entry °m any bonit
fide intercourse. SUCiI a war, however, and
suelt ciremnitances, miht never 'occur egain:
With respect to the regular .Government that
had been restored, its own credit and .safety
were so• mach concerned, dna, we had every reason
to trust to its good faith in any such transuctiOn.
It was therefore certainly neither politic nor ad-
vitable for this Government to interfere to pre.
yen( such a contract. 'no. Noble`Lord then re
plied to • the .argounents of the Noble Mover re-
specting the Sinking Fund, and paid the highest
eulugia to the memory of Mr. Pitt, who, he maid,
had the, extraordinary merit of carrying on the
longest and most extensive war that ersr kxhited,
and adhering rigidly to the principle of heaving
this Fund untouched. The Noble Lord then went
on. to show, that the effect of the duration of
peace would be, that a considerable proportion of
British capital must be transferred to foreign
countries. The Sinking Fund must therefoie
place us in a short time in the situation to which
every country must wish to arrive; for the abut"-
dance of disposable capital and the low rate of in-
terest were the great criterion of national pro-
s
erity and wealth. On the whole, he must say,
that there was no ground for the principles which
the Noble Swilled laid down. 1.14 e great distress

,lihk
of the COUtltil, Rs it had arisen from 0113"°,1' it:i
causes, would, he trusted and firmly hOie/e",101
gtßetaneitalpktopraatift.;etiAislliundisnpgectioc, the restriction' wit
the I i nire°,l*.e. ifv4ll.,:ircel7cealtlt(sleilttli t'sencwb Caattlthrairablunit:edisliimtstit:tiiii
currency as rendered the measure
ollisll,lll.
That thlq Wks a fortunate circurnstancee'''lol
ii
eonutry had always been his firm helieh lotk,:
suchN teiiilt:cerceinaEg.tfl
Treaty alluded
Intl concludedeen t
sioetxioisnt
c.w,-ii,t.
Ifettj
LOrd HOLLAND contended, that the e
gt
the
from the pockets of private individuals' ttv r,
lions and a half, with seven millions out of
spelt:
1)11: oi :.pflAit;sl:mll;lllaert'stialitoll,.%'tiltetll.teai
1111:1
iir'ieinsneccdl°;Gtiolotiplarts
would be. very willing at any time to ilicio
same sort 'or bargain. This gave all •811 110
lilhtelre 1
via
prgirfiegn,
0111:1110000
rl
OinMoittletCydi,HillilleliSl.:'Orebi:certivartijion:3l:.o;llltilleS(llbllki%6;fri‘
to state, that the effects of it in date '',l',',s,p'i
been such as to deprive us of all ht.oefici'otti
,01
Lions from it in time of peace ; foil( 31,-,01,01
evident that the Sinking Fund, al"11'; or(
Revenue together, would not be sotfic'eT,hil
the general expenses of the country ar. '
terest of the debt. With respect to aulicefi.:
thoPey to a Foreign State, individuals ltad,iit t
to tlispose of tiieir property as they 11,1.1,1111"k'
proper ; but it ought not to be a part or 1.1-.0
tt.tg pokicy of this country, to iiold old "I'Yololti .:.
fitly to persons who 'had 'deiced their el- i
foreign funds. ,
f enek:
'file ~,,, , e r
"an OtWAUDERDA.I.II made a iictltrc4lrts
tilliffecxrePtliallii;?lnit9tnliPei I"he
Noble c°Ell,ri sr
le o(tf-‘' vvivielirclii:lndle:),lrli:iiiii'l64444l.i
ing the consequences of the Bank lie'ir7.4iifi
and attributed to this measure lunch of 111(.1teli
ofde ptrlerceiact7ottvorty
tailt•et
precioushepresent
.i e
it
iiiiitil en..oass cl,,lieolcri,
toe country was still retry with 'an enormons load of tleol/1-01' Ye
ill tat to bear, '6l'4

tueani of, eopportinJ
-0 them.
a
ii'utrienktipn we then unnersia o
o--- t,: ,j;
t ved,
'Awl, au adjournment iivaleala'

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HOUSE OF COMMONS.
.4

I/ CP'
Til "8-11/4 '44,fiKctl• [g fire
Ball° lifo9ll
a.. COM i tree to try the mews' of- 0°,4001
nasNett Election, and it was therefore Tioto
that there should be. 100 Nienibers hr` ,11,0
slitlite a' Muse. At Min. o'clock, :`,,reit4
po:Kgit„'iotmtecl the House,ile 10(10 00,1
t1r,.e...r 'Mali. 100 Members prebeitt.
iist-I,fteeksity.,- MIS adjourned..

TWO Mint' MAO.

. tbe
n (1301 a; seisladLetts fortrweintchisitnt:.:gconra of ti 41.,01.
supply the Northern Departments Oh
thegreat sacrifices made by different eitirs'O'
eittiqlle 1;1 i vo, t.)l,Fis
fortljs vurpuse, it seems that the 61"ra 'Crti:s
yet lessened. It has already oceasiolicasoi
tumult in some places ;• so that, Potticli
French Flanders,. on the seaside, the ardlefort
has ' beet obliged to intelfere, co"'cVt"tt
right
Ur the Army of Occupation ,t
.
tirelY.tßrn the interior of France.
meut fulfils its engagements with all to- 'pi
It is hoped that the dintiltatllduf
Allied, Army, and above all the Pud j 5;
inhahitants of French Flanders addIL)101
diminish the evil. They • write 11.°19lire*
that it seems tile Duke of Wellitigt°n ;1•1
tt
the whole winter in Paris. 1 lie din/ .11(1
the Artny of Occupation is attributea I
d'4,114`,. to the Duke's influence.

Vrench Government 11,00
a4siderable magazine for the C°l/1 d
,
glen
ierOeo
(Wolin s •
at atoll Cambray,
to
persons now s~~eceed the
the
h.eoArniniti etln „-tiii:f; -
a
char e~! frith t 1 a
'es
This scill.o is
formed with the greatest regularitY;
"iss t 41.
for in read ,
the Fieneb-Gnolovneievitnaenntd iimh':ipeinhsel'us.ll-A4
°l5l tlo':7

has any Just reason for complaint.
le
al
llort°
torn continues to be Rnported intoti
of. Havre, Calais, and Dunkiek, rrt
sent to Paris,,, and the rest CO ArraSl
'
Cambray. The number of lirithat trool
Ing is said to be 7000...
Coo

Within these few days numerous I
strived from Sr. Petersbuig t?, frola t')e *
if to ,
Embassy at Paris, and from Loodaa.
tus
believe the current re ports, Dego636°lll:oo
tont between these Powers, of Which' is to It
not:iin
.transpires.—glaar ion Cour° '::,
IWA feb )
I 407
). , 1 The j'i
1 5rcitit,ENPURG SNIF.LITZ, 1411' ‘......:gptC°10 1
jiCatitS Of this country rejoice ill'she:.hottl i
of a marriage
between his Royal 141 b poi'
m"rand Duke anti her Serene Iligline96 91 °I
aria Wilitelmina Fredericet, (1441'Igi.
tO
Landgrave Frederick, of Hesse Cassel' i
v f e'
t, rgoe JO
CIVITA VECCHIA, JAtf. 0.""-"'° ovo'll
conclave to yr i -ive here, so that we iial° if
re:
than we want. •
,ie 11 I:,
NAPLu
id S'
JAN, 19.—1 t is said that 14010 pr
e Gallo will soon go on an import:3n% (.0014
fßussia, with which Empire 'HIV Cotill: iS til,qll,lll I
nn a more intimate connection. '' ,of v' I
1)
that this Missiou may relate to 3 - Testy

T4E SUN.
in
li «ittit IALIUM Alt Dt
N4° DO,
I*4l)YE,sO
aP's FEBRUARY 19, 1817.

••••••••7
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views
444111;1. e b r
tiotof all the : i 4,1 lot ,
t:
be
n A
duty
to
offer on
,:. so
..it e OM' public I out
44.eetnury since Peace arrived
the lle-
-44141. it_ .
lutkillgs) will be futtod in
the
%It tis' '
40tc twilit in the troUie of Peers,
41 tYlafil • ,•• d in our preceding
as
441 , 4 is contatt4e
I The
feu bag 1
.. 1 as been a "u •
1111"te itt
our patri°tic
ett tso tnerrinteut to i
Pa"
Nil *rittr •
het is there of.. h
vs . s ~....4or ye
. which
itt' '1147 tlt Or human 411/IC4--
)
ltos 41kIll *heat subject for laughter.... find
eh, titl4lkat litmd.like disposition* c". but
'lll4t
h. 4111killit in these awful colleen's_ froth
We -.within the Crcu
1144
44
In
every honest
stances unfolded fr
it'• 4te such as to 611
vitt, .
gloom
lr • Pais motions, and cast the
4,4liing °Pet the eountenance
Ali
,'.''"ihy Member af Society. Irreligion
of every moral
i -14111 14vIn 1
f►r Ritbdll6n and
ill'
lu
; "e
Way
n •t„ to our
11,
bot Rtett oo imitges of 11411. ,
1411.1,
t*t., cah We for our livt-s muster I a
litto4tt trittin rt..
throw+ Its secret
etip, . g ‘..un &piracy 4
. Certain
tirc4ataig its maehilimions in their
eltq :it, 1)11.11Idert and assassnation.
,liit*`"ted while home- burnt—
bk:' °or teottern lovers of th:ilCholstittnit°ruy:
prii, ,kt the hortitt systetn Carried on to sap
tot,i li'l't of ti ~
, on
it.i.n. it ti,norant tuullitutle, pilt .
.1
, tihd. ..
kII • 1 silightintaatize attempts at tegieltle •
1 brit,lll tif
a grilrer tact of charactet'
„;:rY 'iglita." IVe confess that otirrefiec:
these
iitt t: "441 I'llrf ske of nothing sportive, and,
tintt 11)t11.0 ti) yield the monopoly of fun t°
4,:l'llghtetied philosophers of this imPr°ved
,!tee,ihill"(loits nuty indeed be thought. anti-
1, II N 'Still Cling to .11 tetv of our old pre-
1., it k
is to
Ilitti,in 4 he o weitkoess, hot there
t1,,,1ut.R dreattfol its well as (Hsi ressing latil,
f.4,,e1,1: INI t)r the lower 111:iss 'of the—Peull'e
(I(44teil tarot I t Ili
, It to Aeir
k it,. , (
- !mist}a y, ,
KV4tiol
rl Illiti,, 1
10 their Uud, by wicked then
ttiqy
I:1 n"t the their
ijur fear the hater.
resolution
P 44 1I bail; Of thin 3On that rev •

.can be 'nail ''c do not wonder at the real
with which the apostles of anarchy have laboured
to corrupt the multionle. Profanity anti blas-
phemy accord well with their political doctrines.
Christianity must be destroyed before men
are rendered callous to all their social and
moral duties. [fence it is that the Reformers
(Heaven forgive the prostitution of the Name
taken by such miscreants) have inundated the Em- •
pire with publications of the most baneful ten-
dency, and at prices so low-as to be within the
reach of the poorest classes. These arc alluded
to in the Report, but it is impossible for such of
our Readers as have been saved from the con-.
tagion of seeing them, to form any idea of their
atrocity. Infamous parodies on the most sacred
parts of natural and revealed religion ; grossly
brutal- and brutalizing mockeries of every thing
which has been revered for ages ; total licentious-
ness, and a like contempt of their obligations to
their fellow-creatures and their duties to Heaven,
are the pervading features of these disorganizing
productions.
Thus was the general tide preparing, which
would, perhaps at no distant period, have deso-
lated these fair and happy realms, had it not been
that some headlong currents burst the banks too
soon, and roused the Nation ill time to save itself.
Luddism was but the trial of their pernicious
principles on a limited soale7-Spa-fields but an ex-
periment en the popular feeling. Thank GOD ! it
was carried so far. That Vrovidence which can
alone bring good out of evil is now manifesting
itself distinctly in behalf of this favoured Land.
The assassin who aimed at his Pongee's life, was
but an instrument in its hand, and the flame of
loyalty, patriotism, and union which his crime
hiss lighted up, almost makes us rejoice in the
desperate wickedness of the Act.
We are unwilling to extend these remarks to a
greater length: The. Report, in its conclusion,
says that with which we wsould conclude—" that
the present Establishments of the Civil Power are
insufficient and -inadequate—that such a state of
things cannot much longer continue—and that
some farther measures are necessary for the pre-
servation of the public peace, and for the main-
tenance of that system of Government, and the'
invaluable Constitution under which all his Ma-
jesty's subjects have the happiness to live."
Such is the opinion of the Lords' Committee
upon What. a Mornin Paper has even this day the
hardihood to denominate " pretended Conspira-
cies." No wonder that such a .JoltrOal, Shata-
proceed in an Essay, beginning so auspiciously, •
to use its best endeavours, as indeed it does, to
bring. Parliament into suspicion and disrepute; to.
tell its Readers, that no House was made last-
night from corrupt motives, instead of attributing.
it to the obvious miles. of a greater number o
Members being reqiiired to. Constitute an Election
Committee, and the holding of a Court ; and no
wonder that a Journal so anti-British in its prin-
ciples should be un-British in its language, and
condemn the Report for not being " more iden-
tical than it is ! !"

This Report, little " identical" as if is, will he
taken into consideration on Friday, and lend we
doubt not to efficacious tneaittres tar the preserva-
tion of the Public Peace and Constitution at the
Country.

The Dutch Papers state, that there have been
some serious disturbances at Madrid. They c-n-
-taut), as will be seen from our Extracts, no other
intelligence of ninth interest.

FALMOUTH, FIB. M.—Sailed the following
packets, all with mails of Kent, for
bon Lord Hobart, for Gibraltar and Malta ;
Francis Freeing, for Awe' ica ; and the Osborne,
for the Brazils.—Wind W. N.W.

Last nig,l.l EVANS, junior, was transferred from
Toddll4eldt to Coldbath•fulds

An interesting Article on Cotton Man►►factories
will be found Iq our last page. The importance
of this subject can scarcely be over-rated, when
we notice that it appeared in Evidence in the
Coml!,ittee on Sir K. PPELIS Bill last Session,
that 24,000 persons were employed in Cotton-
spinning Factories in Manchester, and within two
miles of it alone.

WESTMINSTOR DFCLAItATION.---We understand
that ;l General Declaration is now in progress
tram the Western part of the Metropolis, similar
to that which has with so good an effect been pro-
mulgated by the leading characters of the City.
These have set a most noble example, worthy of
universal imitation, and We'sh6ulil regret exceed-
ingly had that portion
.of the Metropolis been
backward to express those honourable feelings of
indignant loyalty which the scenes that have re-
cently taken place there, anti in some other parts
of the kingdom, most awaken itt every virtuous
mind. We sincerely hope that all classes through-
out that quarter will have an opportunity of
Cleansing the stain which the Metropolis hos thus
received, and that no pains will be spared to give
proper effect to so seasonable and laudable a mea-
sure.