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• petitions from several bodies of his constituents against the
practice of Bull Baiting. The Hon. Gentleman proceeded
to state, that subsequent to the passing of Mr. Martin's
Act, the Magistrates throughout the country took up the
idea that hulls were not included in the term cattle, than
which nothing could be more absurd. They held the
. phrase to include the female of the species and the steer,
while they believed the adult male, the bull, to he exempted
from the benefit of the Act. The petitioners, consequently,
by their petitions then in his hand, prayed for a legislative
enactment to protect that .animal, and to put an end to a
practice at once brutal and brutalizing. He had, however,
very great doubts respecting the propriety of sup-
pres4ng that practice by any positive enactment. In his
opinion, the safer way would be, to leave the subject to the
progressive extension of education and improved feeling.
The Hon. Gentleman then presented the petitions, which
were from the churchwardens and principal inhabitants of
Dardaston, in the county of Stafford; from Wednesbury ;
and from Walsal, in the same county.
Mr. W. SMITH supported the prayer of the peti-
tioners.
Sir JA:IIES MACKINTOSH presented a similar peti-
tion from the Minister, Churchwardens, and Inhabitants
of West Bromwich.
Sir J. NEWPORT fully concurred in all that had been
said on the subject by the Hon. Member for Staffordshire,
and cited the case of Waterford, in which the practice had
been terminated by the resolution of his predecessor in the
representation of that city.
Mr. J. BENETT followed on the same side.
Sir J. WROTTESLEY also concurred in what had
fallen from his Hon. Colleague.
The petitions were then severally- ordered to he printed.
Mr. C. ELLISON presented a petition from the
bitants of Newcastie,upon-Tyne, praying for the repeal of
the Act which prohibits the circulation of One Pound Notes.
Mr. CIIOLMELEY presented a similar petition front
the Inhabitants of Spalding.
The petitions were ordered to be printed.
Mr. Secretary PEEL laid upon the table the Reports of
the Commissions issued by command of his Majesty for
inquiring into the State of the Law respecting real pro-
petty and the common law of England and Wales.—Or-
dered to be printed.
Mr. GREEN presented a petition from certain Planters
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in the West Indies, praying for compensation in the event
of the abolition of Negro Slavery.—Ordered to be printed.

ALEHOL'SE LICENSING BILL.

Mr. WYNDHAM presented a petition from New Sa-
Juin against the Alehouse Licensing Bill.
Captain BASTARD presented a gimitar petition from
Clifton and Dartrnnuth.
SMALL NOTES.

Mr. H. BATTLEY presented a petition from Beverley
against the Bill for suppressing the circulation of 1/. notes.

STEAM PACKETS.

Sir H. PARNELL rose to present a petition from cer-
tain persons, residents of Liverpool, who had formed them-
selves into a Company fur the purpose of supplying steam
packets for the conveyance of pacsengers between Liver-
pool and Dublin. The petitioners stated that they had
embarked a large capital in the undertaking, which had
turned out profitable ; and having•heard in 1826, that it
was the intention of the Post Office to traasrnit a mail to
and from Dublin, via I.iverpool, they proposed to carry
the mail across the sea for a moderate charge. The Post
Office, however, refused the tender, and at au expense of
70,9091. built four steam packets for the conveyance of
the mail on account of the public. Previously to that pe-
riod the petitioners received two guineas from each pas-
senger for his passage, but in consequence of the competi-
tion of the Post Office, they were obliged to reduce their
fares to 275. each, upon which the Post Office advertised
that they would convey passengers for 15s, each—by
which competition the petitioners incurred great loss, fur
which they now sought redress at the hands of Parliament.
The Hon. Baronet supported the prayer of the petition.
Lord LELGRAVE supported the prayer of the petition.
Sir J. NEWPORT also supported the petition, on
grounds similar to those urged by his Hon. Friend (Sir
H. Parnell).

Mr. L. FOSTER said, the subject was one of very great
importance to the House and the country, because, he
believed, from the course pursued by the Post-office, and
complained .of by the petitioners, an absolute lave of
10,000/. per annum resulted to the country. It pleased
an officer of the Past-office to have a fleet of his own rather
than have the mail carried by these private vessels; yet,
notwithstanding all his exertion.., the trade of carrying the
mail was a losing one, in consequence of a want of
passengers. . The interests of all pai•tirs might be mann-
modate4l by abolishing the mail system between Dublin and
Liverpool, and transferring the large Liverpool steam-
packets to the Holyhead station.
Mr. HERRIES said, the person in the Post-office
alluded to by his Hon. Friend had been strongly accused—
too strongly. He could not let such accusations against a
meritorious officer go out without requesting the House to
suspend their judgment until the facts should have been
ascartained by inquiry.
Mr. V. FITZGERALD dirt not think the person in
the Post-office alluded to was culpable in this matter. He
could not, however, deny that much mismanagement ex-
isted on the subject. lie conk' not but condemn the
practice of the Government competing with a private com-
pany.

- After a few words from Mr. ROBINSON,
Mr. DAWSON said, the subject was one of great im-
portance to all connected with Ireland. The statements
relative to the management he thought quite over coloured.
There could not be a better officer than the gentleman
alluded to. He should inquire into the truth of the state-
ments,, and endeavour to• provide a remedy.
Mr. L. FOSTER explained.
Mr. CALCRAFT eulogise(' the conduct of Sir F.
Freeling, but condemned the system of opposing private
capital by the funds of the Government. The transfer of
large vessels to the Holyhead station would be very bene—
ficial to the intercourse with Ireland.

Mr.HUME thought it strange this expenditure, so ex-
travagant, of the public money, should have gone on so
long unchecked by the Government. The late Chancellor
of the Exchequer was much to blame in the matter.
Mr. HERMES defended himself against the imputation
of neglect on his part.—The petition WM then brought up,
and ordered to he printed.

Sir IL PARNELI. mover) for Returns, shewing the
expences of the Poet off c e Packet establishment between
Dunleary and Lirerpool.—Ordered.

MARSUALL presented a petition from Leeds,
praying the Abolition of Slarery in the West Indies ; and
another from Guildersome, in the county of York, againo
the Burling of Hindoo Widows.
Mr. SPOTTISWOODE presented a petition from the
Borough of Salt-ash, against Catholic Emancipation.
Mr. CORDON gave notice for the Member for Dum-
fries of a petition from certain Merchants of Edinburgh,
praying an inquiry into the state of the people of colour in
the West Indies.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved
for a Return of the number of sovereigns and half soce•
reigns issued from Jan. 1821 to Jan. 1828.
Mr. ISANKES wished to have an account of the num-
her of small notes issued by the private bankers; he appre-
hended they formed a considerable amount.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER did not
think it practicable to get an accurate account from pri-
vate bankers.

Sir E. KNATCHBULL thought the private banker,
would have no objection to give an account of their issues.
Sir N. W. RIDLEY was sure that the number of
bankers' notes issued was much leas than had been stated;
au exact account of them could begot only frc the bankers
themselves directly. .

Mr. HUME conceived that bankers ought to be ob-
liged by law to give an exact account of their issues. The
returns were then ordered.
Mr. ROBINSON moved for returns of tke number of
civil actions and criminal informations tried in the Supreme
and Circuit Courts of Newfoundland and Salvador, within
a given time.—Ordered.
The Second
Reading of the Cities and Boroughs Be-
gistration Bill
w4B postponed till Monday.
COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved
that the House resolve itself into a Committee of Supply.
Mr. DAVENPORT asked, whether it was the inten-
tion of the Chancellor of the Exchequer to propose any re-
duction of the duties on tobacco. He understood that
most of the tobacco consumed in Ireland was smuggled, in
spite of what was humorously called the Preventive Ser-
vice. The reduction of the duty by one-half, namely, is.
6d. a pound, would destroy the illicit trade in tobacco,
and increase the revenue by a million.
The CIIANCEI.LOR- of the EXCHEQUER declared
that it was not his intention to propose any reduction,
Mr. HUME suggested the propriety of the Chancellor
of the Exchequer taking a large amount, SUPP4se half the
Irish estimates, by one vote, on account at present, and
postponing the discussion of the items until there should
be some officer in the House connected with the Govern-

ment. In the absence of a Secretary of Ireland, there
could not he a satisfactory account of several of the items,
many of which he intended to oppose.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER declared
his intention to take no unfair advantage of a Secretary far
Ireland. He would not put forward the Education Esti-

mates on this occasion, as they might meet some opposi-
tion ; and as fee the vete* for clzgritAblt ipstitutions, he

did not expect any objection to them an the part of any
Hon. Member.
Mr. S. RICE thought the Hoarse ought not to discuss
the Irish Estimates in the absence of a Secretary for Ire_
land, as the votes on Charitable Institutions involved points
of debatable matter.
Mr. BANKES was understood to say, that the entire
cure of the estimates might be voted on the credit of the
Chancellor of the Exchequer accounting for them, as he
was answerable for the appropriation of all.
Mr. V. FITZGERALD considered the Irish Estimates
like other items of public expenditure, to come within the
superintendence of the Treasury Office.
Sir NEWPORT thought it impossible to go into the
details of the Estimates under the present circumstances, '
and it would therefore be much better to take a vote on
account.
Mr. DAWSON said, that if the House would go into
the Committee, it wa.s.his intention to pro lose the Miscel-
laneous Estimates, and the Army Extranninfiriew, end it
would not be likely that the Irish Estimates would come on
that night.
The House then went into a Committee.
Mr. DAWSON bad new to submit to the Mouse the
first number of the Miscellaneous Estimates, which in-
chided the votes for public buildings. The whole sum
amounted to 319,26.5/., being an increase upon the Esti-
mates of last year of 41,2041. The increase was occasion-
ed by an additional sum for the British Museum and Wind..
sor Castle. There was another additional sum of 7,000/.
in which every Member of the House would be interested.
It was for finishing the Committee Rooms of both Houses
of Parliament. When Hon. Gentlemen considered the
convenience already experienced by the addition of the
library and other rooms, he was sore there would he no
objection to snch a rote. He thought also that the House
would agree with him that the most essential part of the
library was still wanting. They had a handsome and con-
venient room, and indeed every thing necessary to a library
but books.—(Hear, hear.)--It was a stigma upon the
House that it had no collection of hooks of reference upon
general subjects of historical and literary reference. It
was too late to propose a vote now ; hut he hoped another
Session would not be allowed to pass, without this want of
the House being supplied. He moved a grant of 20,000/.
for defraying the expence of public buildings.
Mr. S. RICE wished a grant of 500/. or 1,000/. for
books to be voted at once.
Mr. BANKES said, that there would be duplicates at
the British Museum, in consequence of the addition of his
Majesty's library, which might be used by the House.
Mr. BRIGHT expressed his great satisfaction at the
prospect of having a library attached to the House.
Mr. HUME said, that as be understood there were soon
to be some vacant Ordnance offices, in the Tower, the pub-
lic records might be sent there.—(A laugh.) He thought
a well supplied library highly desirable for the use of the
House, and there was a person who had hitherto had the
care of that which they possessed, whose services, must be
known to every Mon. Member, and who, he understood
only received the inadequate salary of 100/. a-year. He
was not likely to propose any extravagant revenue, but he
thought this a case in which the House ought to make
some provision for a valuable servant.
The SPEAKER was anxious to bear testimony to the
highly useful services of the individual to whom the Hon.
Gentleman had referred. Every Member must have felt
the zeal with which his duties were discharged, yet they
were very • scantily remunerated. But from him he bad
heard no complaint. With the exception of Sundays, and
for about a fortnight in the year, he had regularly attended
in the library from :in early hour in the morning until four
o'clock, and during the whole of that time discharging his
duties with a diligence not exceeded by any public servant
whatever.—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. DAWSON had heard with very great satisfaction
the recommendation of the Hon. Member for Aberdeen.
Sir M. W. RIDLEY also bore testimony to the indus-
try and intelligence with which Mr. Spitler discharged the
duties of the office of librarian to the Nouse.
Mr. Secretary PEEL upon two former occasions had
appealed to the House in behalf of the State Papers which
were amongst the public records, end which he thought
it highly desirable should no longer be left in their present,
state. Their value was incalculable to history and litera-
ture in general. He could himself bear testimony to the
merits of Mr. Spitler, and felt sorry that so deserving an
individual should have had only the trifling remuneration
of 1001. a-year for his services. He hoped that now an
adequate compensation would be bestowed upon this gen-
tleman.
Mr. BERNAL supported the proposal of an increase of
salary to Mr. Spitler.
Mr. ABERCROMBIE hoped that the Right lion.
Gent. would never have occasion again to appeal to an Eng-
lish House of Cosninons for a receptacle for those docu-
ments which were so interesting to the history, the credit,
and honour of the country.
Mr. MABERLY thought that an office in the Ordnance
Department, which was fire proof, might be applied to
this purpose.
Mr. S. RICE said that there were other persons in the
State Paper Office entitled to great praise. He particu-
larly alluded to Mr. Lemon.
Mr. HUME rose to ask a que_stion respecting the mosey
expended upon Buckingham Palace. The sum voted for
this structure was vonsiderable. The palace was nearly
built, and it was a matter of surprise to passengers to see
that it was now being pulled down. Now he rose to ask,
what expence had been incurred, when it would stop, and
who was to be responsible? A Noble Lord (Goderich)
when he was Chancellor of the Exchequer declared him-
self answerable. He (Mr. H.) hail suggested that a
Committee should be appointed, that they might have some
persons answerable to the House and to the country. His
Majesty, it was evident, was not responsible. The House
was anxious for some responsible persons; but they had
been deceived, as they often were before, by taking the
word of a Minister.

Mr. BANKES was then about m read an extract from
the report upon public buildings, when a conversation
upon the point of order arose between Mr. 1-ferries, Sir R.
CAburne, and Mr. Bankes, and it was decided the extract
should not be read.

The Resolution was then agreed to.
A grant of 7,000/. was then agreed to, fur the purpose
of carrying on the works in Port Patrick ; as also a grant
of 8,000/. for carrying on the works of Donaghadee
boor ; as also a slim of 20,000/., ibr the works of the
harbour of King George IV. at Kingstown.
BRITISH MUSEUM. ►
Mr. DAWSON, in proposing a grant of 4'3,G001. to
the British Museum, begged to account for the amount
being larger this year than last. The library his Majesty
placed at the disposal of Parliament in 1828, required. a
number of officers to attend to it, whose salaries, Sac. wele
40001. The salaries and expencss had been for the last
five years paid out of the grant for the building. Now,
however, it was necesssary to pay the building bill, and it
was for this the money was wanted. The grant would be
augmented this year by an additional suns for building, but
which would be the last.

Mr. HUME wished tr. know whether the librarians of
the British Museum could not attend to the new library ;
or whether it would actually be nee4i.sztry to keep up two
e,•tablishmints.

Mr. EANKES replied that so large an ;addition of books
required additional librarians,
Mr. BRIGHT said the room appropriated to the new
library was the most splendid thing of the kind he had ever
seen, and did honour to the country. He was glad to see
et the Museum two or three large rooms set apart for per-
sons inclined to read. When he was there he saw numbers
of both gexe,, engaged in the quietest and most interesting
manner passible.—(Laughter.)
The vote was then agreed to.
A grant of 40001. was then proposed for the offices, Sze.
of the Privy Council.
Mr.- HUME asked whether this suns was to complete
the building?
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER replied.
that it was.

Sir M. W. RIDLEY had reason to know that a most
enormous expanse had been incurred by the furniture of
that office. He wished to know if measures bad been taken
to prevent a sy.tem under which that had taken place from
being pursued farther.
Mr. BANKES said, that measures bad been taken to
stop the extravagance going on.
The vote was then agreed to.
WINDSOR CASTLE.

A sum of 180,000/. was then proposed to be grantNi to
defray the expenee of the alttrations and improvements Of
Windsor Castle.

HUME.—I wish to ask whether the sum now pro-
posed to be voted to defray the expence of carrying on the
works of Windsor Castle for the ensuing year will be suf-
ficient to complete it, and also what progress has been made
in the building. In the days of our prosperity we had a
God-send—(Laughter)-.-a part of which, half-a-million I
believe, was appropriated to the very purpose for which we
are now called on to grant 180,0001. 'I he origh_al esti-
mate for the repairs was 644,0001., but we have now
granted a much larger sum than that estimate. Will it
suffice for all the alterations proposed to be made ? If not,
we ought to have some estimate of what the ulterior ex-
pence will amount to.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER.—As
am officially responsible for this tote, and am 7ie of the
Commissioners appointed to superiA4l4 this brsuch of our

expenditure, I feel myself bound to give the Honourable
Gentleman the explanation he has asked. Five hundred
thousand pounds were at first thought sufficient to defray
the expence of all the requisite repairs of the Castle. In
the progress, however of the works, it was discovered, that
in order to carry into effect the expressed object of Parlia-
ment in granting the money, and in order to accomplish
what was due to the character of the country in preparing
a residence for its Sovereign, not less than 644,0001.
would be required. To this we may add, which will be
necessary to complete the work, a further call of 50,00 W.,
making a total of nearly seven hundred thousand pounds.
In stating this, I may be asked what were the data on
which the original estimate was formed. To this I reply,
that Windsor Castle was net a building to be raised from
the ground, in which case the expense can in general he
accurately ascertained; but to be repaired and altered. In
the progress of the repairs the timbers of many parts were
found in a state which rnaele it surprising that they had so
long upheld the weight placed epon them. Any Hon.
Member who has been down to view the works, and has
seen the old timbers lying about, will agree with me that
it was in a state of positive rottenness. The replacing of
the decayed beams greatly added to the expense. There
were circumstances also respecting parts of the foundation
which augmented the expense. There can be no doubt
that our money has produced one of the most convenient
and splendid palaces that a Monarch tear inhabit. It may
be placed in the rank of those buildings which will be the
pride of the country, and which will not fail to attract the
notice of every one, foreigner or native, who has a taste for
architectural beauty.
Sir M. W. RIDLEY—I have great pleasure in corro-
borating the statement just made by the Right Hon. Gen-
tleman opposite. Every thing has been conducted with
the greatest possible economy, and yet the most beautiful
result been produced. I myself was at Windsor eight
or ten days ago, and examined a room on the north side of
the Castle, into which the Committee of Taste had been a
few days before my visit. On that oecasion I was informed
that the ceiling of the room had fallen in, and completely
exposed the rottenness of the timbers. With respect
the furniture of the Palace, to which the Hon. Member
for Montrose had alluded, although it was necessary in the
first instance to furnish the kitchens, yet, I believe, that
nothing more will be required on that accou❑t. At some
future time, it is impassible to say when, more money will
be wanted to make the Castle complete.
Mr. F. LEWIS—One great cause of the necessity of the
expense now incurring, is the total neglect the Castle has
suffered for some years past. It has now, however, been
repaired most admirably. The Hon. Baronet (Sir M. W.
Ridley) has stated, and it ought to be fairly stated to the
country, that the money voted cannot possibly put the
Castle into complete repair. The north front only as yet
has recaived much attention ; but it is impossible for any
one who has examined the building not to perceive that the
western part also requires repair. It is impossible also to
look at the terrace without seeing that it ought to be carried
round the whole. The buildings also, which have en-
croached upon the Palace, ought gradually to he removed.
I our now looking to what the principal Palace of the
Sovereign of this country ought to be. I trust that we
shall not abandon that building in its present state.
Mr. HUME—I cannot, for one, permit the statements
made by Pion. Members to pass without entering my pro-
test against them. It is well for Hon. Members to talk of
a splendour befitting the residence of the King. Let them
do so. But when they say every body must be satisfied
with that expenditure, when they ask, can any one object
to it, I reply, that millions will be dissatisfied with it—mil-
lions will object to it. Twelve hundred thousand pounds
will not pay the expenditure that Buckingham House and
Windsor Castle have put us to. Yet does an Hon. Mem-
ber talk of carrying round terraces. When the vote was
first passed, by which it was proposed to build a palace for
the King, I stated, and I repeat it now, that it was much
better to build one at once than to keep paying 60,000/. a
year, which we have done for forty years past, for repair-
ing old ones. What are we now called on to do in respect
to this palace? After paying 611,000/., we are told by
the Chancellor of the Exchequer that 30,000/. more will
be wanted—and it is intimated by Hon. Members that the
whole million will not he more than sufficient. The
Crown of England, Sir, does not want such splendour. It
is importing from France the frippery that disgraced
France at a time that England prided herself on her honest
plai❑❑ess. But this, Sir, is not the only thing we hare
emulated, a❑happily for us--a taste we formerly despised.
Look, Sir, at the livery of our soldiers, clothed in gold, to
purchase which thousands must starve. Look, Sir, at
every public servant, all wear dresses covered with gold.
(A laugh.) I say, Sir, this is not suitable to England.
It is a disgrace, Sir, to us to see the crowds of beggars pro.
duced by such extravagance. My feelings, perhaps, Sir,
carry me farther than I -wish; but at any rate I must
enter my protest against the gold lace, which seems so
much to the taste of the Committee of Taste. (Laughtkr.)
I am told, Sir, that the gold lace has been so plentifully
used, even on the chairs of Windsor Palace, as to make
each cost from one hundred to two hundred pound,.
(Cries of No, no.) I shall be happy to be corrected if I
ton wrong; but such is the information I have receivaal.
If, however, I be Wrong in this, as a matter of detail, I am
right when I assert—tor it is before the House—that the
furniture of the Palace has cost 167,000/. This, Sir, I
really think too much.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER—It is my
innertion to finish off the works now carrying on as quickly
as ie compatible with the convenience of his Majesty, and
with a due regard to public economy; and, this done, I
shall he extremely cautious how I engage in any new ex..
peeee,_(lfear, bear.)--With respect to what the Hon.
Member has said, relative to Windsor Castle, I cannot concur
in his observations. The improvements there deserve any
thing rather than the title he imposed upon them, namely,
frippery. For, certainly, nothing can exceed the solid
grandeur of that palace. I do not know for which it is
most to be praised, its beauty, magnificence, or solidity,—
(Hear, hear.)—When the Hun. Member talks of the ex-
pence Windsor Castle has put us to, he should recollect
that tle:t is the only palace ever built for the Kings of
England. Whatever other residence they have had, hue
either been presented to them by a subject, or purchased
from one. With respect to the furniture of Windsor
Castle, it must be remembered that before what was lately
sent was placed there it had scarcely any furniture at all.
His late Majesty, during a long-continued war, was anxious
to avoid adding ti) the burdens of the country—(Hear),
and forbore baying any comforts of that kind, which time
did not absolutely destroy, replaced. This conduct im-
posed on his successor a heavy expence : it created the very
necessity which we are now called on to meet.
Mr. lIITME—The Right Hon. Gentleman has said
nothing with respect to Hampton Court. I wish to know
whether Le intends to keep it up. I beg to take this
opportunity of stating that I do not object, nor ever have
objected, to a suitable palace being provided for the Sove-
reign. But the question is, has the money we have granted
produced a suitable palace. The one in London is a dis-
grace to every one connected with it. I wish, Sir, I
could say that his present Majesty had something of the
taste of his father with regard to expense in matte's that
appear to me to have been pursued by him in u maneer
more conformable to the English character.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER--I have
stated to the House a perfectly good reason why it should
incur this eeposee. I have shown its necessity. In this
House ,tlB not necessary for me, a Minister of the Crown,
i
to speak n defence of my Sovereign. In this country the
hearts of the people will always induce them to entertain
juster opinions of the conduct of their King than seem to
be enterta, nod by the Hon. Member for Montrose. The Ihm,
Member may charge us with beingacceesary to great expense,
to keep unziecessary splendour on the part of the Crown ; but
he ought to remember that his Majesty has not been want-
ing iu acts of liberality to the people.—(Cheers.) This
night we have all cordially concurred in a vote for the sup-
port of the British 11iuseuna—a vote for the people ; ered
yet, on such a night, the Hon. Member takea occasion to
charge his Majesty with extravagarree, though, if he were
to set the one account against the other, there would net be
foetid so great a difference. I will not, Sir, prolong this
discussion, because I am sore that the feelings of every Can,
tleman in the House must sympathise with mine.
Mr. Secretary PEEL---Sir, it is impossible for me to
hear the observations made by the Hon. Member for Mon-
trose, and not to protest against the introduction of the
name of the Sovereign. The wise rules of the House
forbid the introduction of the name of the Sovereign at all.
But higher motives ought to have influenced the Hon.
Member, and have forbidden hint to introduce the name
of the Sovereign, for the purpose of charging him with an
act of extravagance. That name ought only to be intro- I
duced as the patron of all good institutions, the promoter
of the arts and sciences, and of the welfare of the country.
—(Cheers.)
Mr. R. COLBORNE had an opportunity of going
over Windsor Castle lately, and could bear witness to the
improvements made as fully justifying the expense.
Sir M. W. RIDLEY entered his protest against the
sentence of condemnation passed by the Hon. Member for
Montrose on Buckingham Palace?. It would be in the re-
membrance of the House that the same reproach of want of
taste was urged against Regent-street, built under the su-
perintendence of the same eminent architect, whose fame
would last beyond that of any temporary roan. That
street, it mist he acknowledged, could not now he excelled
in Europe, nor in the world. With respect to the situa-
tion of Buckingham Palace, be had reason to believe that

the imeariveuience was fully felt, hut his Majesty, frau) an
anxious solicitude not to the metropolis, de.
termined not to have the Num.,: .s.
Colonel DAVIES couhi ,c, the praises be-
stowed on Buckingham Palace. y li` those who built the
palace originally were deserving of praise for building the
wings, what was io he said to those who had pulled them
clown ? Blame must fall somewhere, and as long as it
stood it would he a monument of the perverted ingenuity
of man. What could be said for the hideous winare tliznes
at the corner of each wing, or the eggcup stock on the
top of it? The man whc. could execute such a build:ng
was only suited to disgrace the metropolis.
Mr. iIUME—I beg, Sir, to make a few observations
with respect to what bas fallen from the two Right Hon.
Gentlemen opposite, who have thought proper to address
me in a tone which I cannot think my remarks warranted.
I beg them to understand, that if I know any thing of the
disposition of his Majesty, so far from showing any of the
indignant feelings with which they have achlreseti me, he
would, I am confident, have been the first to pay attention
to the statements I have made. I asked the Right Hon.
Gentleman to what expense we were likely to be led into
by this building? It was a regular inquiry, which I seas
perfectly justified in making, for I hold the Right Von.
Gentleman responsible for the money we are now votircr.
Then there only remains one other expression which the
Right Hon. Gentleman can 'have a shadow of pretenceflir
• charging as improper. I only regretted that the taste of
his present Majesty—and I did not say it dLsrespectfully,
nor mean it so—was not of that simple, chaste, old English
kind, which I considered most consistent with the charac-
ter of the English nation. I am not aware that I said
more than this ; and I do not think that that gave the
Right lion. Gentlemen any just reason to bestow on ice
the lecture they did. If, when Ministers propose grants
to parliament, Members cannot olueet to waste and profu-
s:on, there is an end to our liberty—to our freedom ofjudg-
meat. Such a lecture, though the Right lion. Gentle-
man be a leader in this House—(Laughter)—was not, I
think, deserved by toe, for having mentioned his 31ajesty's
name in the delicate way in which l did.--(Laughter.)—
If I said any thing out of order, I might have been called
to order. - I only said what I conscientiously thought, in
the most delicate manner I eould.—(A laugh.) If there
was any thing in What I mid the Right Hon. Gentleman
considers unpleasant, I beg to say it was quite uninten-
tionak—(Cheers.)
Mr. Secretary PEEL said, lithe lion. Member had oc-
casion to prefer a charge of any kind it must be against the
Ministers, and not against the Crown. He certainly did
not think (so we understood the lion. Gentleman to ass')
that the Hon. Member had used the expression inadver-
tently; but the subject we- one which Lad better he
dropped.—(Hear, hear.)
The resolution was then agreed to.
A vote of 7,0001. for works and repairs connected with
the two Houses of Parliament, for the year 1828, was then
agreed to.

Mr. G. DAWSON, in answer to a question from Mr.
Spring Rice, stated that this sum was on account of former
repairs, under-pinning old buildings, &c. the actual expense
of which had by so much exceeded the estimate.
After a few words from Mr. Hume, Mr. A. Dawson,
Mr. W. Smith, and Mr. G. Dawson, 2,500/. were voted
in aid of the expenses incurred by erecting churches in the
West Indies.
On the grant of 19,413/. 13s. to defray the expenses of
the Commissioners for Howth Harbour and the Holybeed
Road, Bridges and ,Tolls, for 1823,

Mr. A. DAWSON took occasion to express his regret
at the appropriation of so large a sum as 2,500/. (the last
vote) for ecclesiastical purposes in the Colonies; while, if
application were made by the gentlemen of Ireland—(hear)
—to the Government for grants towards the expence of
public works in that country, they were always told by
the Minister that tbeiTt. was 710 money in the treasury.—
(Loud cries from all sides of the House of Hear, hear.)
Mr. G. DAWSON apprehended that the Hon. Gen-
tleman must have been utterly inattentive to the business
which had been transacted in the Committee, or lutist sup-
pose the Committee itself lo be asleep.—(Cheers.)--It did
happen that while the Hon. Gentleman took occasion to
make this estre.ottlinary and unwarrantable chars-. against
the Government of England, fur making no grants on ac-
count of Irish improvements--and this, too, a charge
founded on the last vote of 2,500/. oulY, which was already
disposed of—it did happen,whirnsically enough, that no less
than four several votes on account of Irish improvements,
public works, &c. amounting to 35,000/. had been that
evening agreed to.--(Loud cheers.)
After a few words from Mr. V. FITZCEaai.n, ie H.
P.sttNx.r.r., Mr. SLANEY, and the CmaNencioa of the
EXCHEQUER, in corroboration of the Hon. Secretary's
statement, the vote was passed ; as were also these voles
-1,7.52/. en account of the works at Dunmore, for 1823.
15,000/. on account of the Penitentialy at Illilbank.
from 2•4 th June, 1828, to the Slut December.
Sir. 1117111 E wished to know whether there was any in-
tention of abolishing this prison ?
Sir. Secretary PEEL observed, that while it was im-
possible to deny that the expenditure on account of it had
been very great, the Hon. Gentleman would allow that the
maintenance of 600 prisoners for six months, at a charge
of 10,0001. (for the cost of erecting the prison was now
extinguished) was not immoderate.

SirJ. WILO rrE6I.EY, Mr. Ross, and another Liao. iieni_
ber, concurred in this view of the subject, and the grant
was agreed to.

On-the question of granting 16,18 V. to the Society for
the Propagation of the Gospel in Foreign Parts,
Mr. lIFME was sure that fifteen-sixteenths of the people
of Canada would oppose this vote. lle propa;ed this year
to reduce the grant one-half, and next to atop it altz-
gether. He therefore moveal, that only 8,0001. he voted
for this purpose.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, that
the object of placing the distribution of this grant in the
hands of the Society in question, was to secure it unifor-
mity of system with regard to the religions instruction of
these Colonies.
Mr. MONCK opposed the grant.
Sir R. INGLIS supported the grant.
Sir T. ACLAND thought that the house would do
great injustice in acceding to the motion of the Hon. Mem-
ber for Aberdeen.

After a few words from Mr. HrMF, Mr. MoNcx , and
Mr. LA IiOUCITERE,
Mr. HOBHOUSE said, he should vote with great re-
luctance against this vote. least it might be productive of
inconvenience to the Ministers in the Colonies. But he
hoped the Chancellor of the Exchequer woald,give a pledge
that the grant should be reduced nest year.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER szid he
could not give such a pledge.
Mr. S. WORTLEY could not recognise any vote fur
this purpose, where the religion of the majority was not
the dominant religion.
Mr. lIPME proposed that this vote l;e post;laned for
fourteen days, in order to give time to the Finance Com-
mittee to examine and report upon this question.
The CHANCELLOR cf the EXCHEQUER could not
accede to thi, poposal,
The Committee then divided on the amendment to post-
pone the vote.

For the original motion ......
Against it „. 26
_ _ _

Majority ,.
—79
The first amendment, far the reduction of this vote mu-
half, was then put and negatived without a division, and
the original question carried. _

The nest vote was 372,199/. for tile Col/min/164 De-
partment.

Mr. FLUME thought this estaldishrLent was too large.
Thu Colonies amounted to 417,0ii0/. There were 2,905
soldiers in Canadd, a:-..41 there were 47 commissaries at.,
tached t.ct thoa, being one to every 62 ; and for these
the was an expence of 11,0001. a-year for salaries.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER observed,
that with r:•gard to the exponce of this vote, it was really
a saving-, inasumth at a superior rank of commissariats had
been chosen for this service, because it took them off the
half-pay list. With respect v.:the number of commissariat
officers, it was to he borne in mind that the troops in the
Canada; were spread over a large extent of country, and
therefore required a larger Commissatiat.

Mr. maintained that there sv4s no duty per..
formed by the Commissariat Officers in that country which
could not as well be performed by any
Serjeant-Major.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER observed,
that although the number for Canada might appear great,
yet, when it was recollected that all the accounts were to
be kept by this person, it was but barely enough.
Mr. (1. DAWSON said the experiment lad been tried,
and the number of Commissaries reduced, in 1821. In
1822 they were 172 ; but in consequence of complaints
they were again increased, and the number was now 190.
These persons had not only the stores, but public works,
army extraordinaries, and the military chests, to take care
of. They were the best cheeks on the outlay of the public

money.
After some further observations from Mr. HUME, Mt.
VESET FITZGERALD, and Mr. HERRITS, the question
put by the Chairman, when
Mr. HUMS objected to 2501. for advertising.
Mr. HERMES slit!, that as all the benefits arising-from
competition were looked for, advertising was the only mode
for ta,,t purpose.

Mr. aysiE then Ajocted to the salary cf the Agent, his

Deputy, and foul Clel„,, r.i.l of whom hat.] 1,40).
n-year.

1 .
The quection was then put, and tte vote was agreed to.
Mr: HUME expressed a wixh for adjournment, as there
was only the Army Extraordinaries to be discussed.
1 This, however, was not acceded to, and the question was
put that a sum not exceeding 810,0001. should be granted
far the Army Extraordinaries.
Mr. HUME wished to kruiw wkether the staff of the
general officers was to he kept up.
Mr. Secretary PEEL was understitod to say that a re-
duction was contemplated.
Mr. HUME then remarked on the expenditure far the
Militia. Staff in Guernsey and Jczacv; and said, that in IL!
latter island the expense was incurred against the with.*
of the inhabitants.

Mr. Secretary PEEL said, that by the constitution of
those islands the whole population were to he trained to
arms; and that, considering their position, it would not
wise to interfere with that provisiu,n. The total number
amounted to 5,000, divided into the regiments, with an
adjutant, who had only three shillings a-day pay. If a
military force were to he kept lip there, it was better to
have it kept in order ; and he, therefore, did not think the
expense of the Staff could be considered extravagant. Tho
clothing was, heretofore., given in Guernsey once in ten
years; in Jersey once in five; which was now enlarged to
once in Seven, and then runt to take place without an appli-
cation to the Secretary of titate. 'flrie system as alto-
gether the most economical possible.
Mr. HUME said, that the people of Jersey stit-re dis-
pleased at the introduction of this system, es they held it
an honour to serve without pay. fie had received com-
plaints from the island, and was hound to -state them.
Sir. Secretary PEEL had received, he -beliewad, the
same complaints; and through arrangements made, saquiry
had taken place, and two Military Reports of th,
Generals commanding in the Islands had entirely nega-
tived ',hem, and approved of the present systero..'
After some further observations 'van this stehjeei,' and
the expence of the Mauritius,
Mr. HUNIE asked wby the nation was called upon to
pay 195,0001.-, for the expence of the Comrui,aariat i.
Portugal, which, it was understood, was to be repaid by
that Government

Mr. Secretary PEEL said that the Treaty bound tha.
Portuguese Government, bit the Prince Rent there OA
not appear at present able to pay.
Mr. HOBII01.7S17.: thought measures onght to he to :11
for the fulfilment of the Treaty.
Mr. HUME then observed that Captains of King'isbips
ought not to have charges allowed for the conveyance. of
specie, more particularly as the sailors gat: nothing.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHF.QUth said t.fLs
allowance was not attietle payment, and that the Ctiptairi
Lad the whole responsibility, as he tyac to make
good any deficiency thatoccorred by the abstrartiari of atiy
of the money, and that had sonietitnes occurred.
On Mr. HUME'S asking why Captains were not afim
responsible for any lass of the ship's store,
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHUQUER
that a doubloon was much more easily purloined than a caliJo.
After some further observation irom Mr. Httarr:the vat.-
was agreed to.

The House then resumed, the Chairman reported Ft,
.ress, and leave was given to sit again on Ithmti
OFFENCES AGAINST THE PERSONS' PM
On the motion of Mr. Secretary PEEL, tl,e )t;lei c,f
the Day for the third reading of the Bill for Offences atria.,
he Peraon was read.

Mr. W. SMITH complainNl that the Bill did not quiii-
c:ently prosect children from the cruidties to which
were too frequently exposed; and for the porpoc=e of re-
medying that defect, he wauld move a clause to iorlict
and imprisonment upon persons injuring children to such
degree as to endanger their lives either by violent as&ault..
painful and unwholesome imprisonment, or dpoying
surfi—
clent sustenanee.

Mr. Siecretary PEEL said, it would not he the effect of
this Bill to take away the remedies heretofc,ie enjoyed
under the comma:. law ; it merely went to con.,olidate th,
statutes relating to this subject. On thei, grounkL4
should feel bound to oppose the introduction of the claus.-'
A short conversation then ensued, in whieli Mr. BATT-
LET, Mr. MARTIN, Mr. W. SVITH, and the Sot terror,
GENERAL, participated. The clause wa.s withrlr,twu, ar.A.
the Bill read a third time and pa..•;avd.
The other Oiler of the Day were theu dispose'', of, :.ad
the 'louse adjourned at IL:If-past One o'clork.

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SPIRIT OF THE PUBLIC JOURNALS,

The Miscellaneous Estimates came on last night,-and th.?
grants for Windsor Castle were brought forward. To tt;
it appears indecent and improper that the furniture of the
houses should be discussed—that is, it winulecenz
and improper that the Ring should not furnish his housP+
as be pleases, and pay for the furniture himself, from th)t
ordinary grants for the support of his dignity, as every.
other gentleman pays expenses of this kind cut ofin-
come, without burtheniug his; estate. Repairs of national
palaces are matters that exceed the ordinary calculation,
and the expenses are properly defrayed by the nation ; ho
the upholsterer's bill for the house is pretty much like the
tailor's bill for the person—the money to discharge bar\
should be drawn from the settled inc.orne.—Thries.

The grant to Mr. Canning's family came last .night
before the House of Lords, and was moved, with propriety,
by the Prime Minister, the Duke of Wellington. Vk
suppose his Crate has by this time found cut, that if there
is no tl.ber merit in the civil officers of the Crown, there
at least that of supporting incessant labour, and of
d
• sacrificing tiansgotplipeoisedr by sn
Trfeebpe%gtr:l,,,n,i:tr,
maNit•ein,woolfe,lreefnrs.jaeunnrdp:a..:sseip.ortal,
Daffe, and supported with the
well as the c7,-4.ergy of kindreduce taltheeni,ly:yorLccir
We mint amain appeal to the fact, that pensions as duns!),
as their titles were given to Generals t
fought in LI:-
Peninsula : whereas for Mr. Canning's family there is ;Thl
•
required a pension for one
of Nwoh.thinsiautcrYli hangil)e-NissitedtsPi:=o.i. Os are entertained, as that
which now rules the destinies of this cuuntry. The Duke
• of Wellington has been generally reporteel to be an honest
and straight-forward man; but his confessrd incapacits.—
with the secession Qf those of his Colleagues who were
tuf6ra tlii'leteroalffipcole bof
rave cast a")sultPaidf‘el
which it will be extremely difficult, 4'
oklionnofstie7nis tionbtebyenitf)irininlens:dllll—•
indeed it be ever possible, to retnore. The utmost effors
to retain Lord Dudley„ Mr. Char/es Grant, and when.,
in the Cabinet, or rather to bring them back
to it, have been used,,, bait in vain ; and a strong
presumption arises in consequence that
these gentlemen
must have seen something in the policy which wax
to be pursued, both foreign and domestic, not altogether it
accordance with that which they deem essential to the wed-
fare of the country. We should be glad to feel assured
that no cause existed for such suspicions; for at the present
moment our foreign policy is in the most delicate state, and
nothing, we feel assured, but union of sentiment can pos-
sibly save the country from the expenses and miseries of is
war ;. but a diolution of Parliament and the stable Ali-
Morning Advertiser.
,riinisltyryrextn•lhei:l;h_uwouudld
tlLlCeatirseamrie(lyiy
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It is; hoped that the Licensed Victuallers and
others, from whom common informers have extorteit mo-
ney, without delay, bring the parties to jogtice. RS a
duty which they owe to the pOilic. If they decline, thi.
informers will recommence their attacks with increasKt
activity. At present, they have desibsed from laying in-
formations, for the purpose of conciliating those who h;:ve
suffered from their extortions, and are engagni iii
all directions, endeavouring to oLtuin fcr,fivepess.—Mori,
Aciwertiver,