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DARFNIOOR FOREST.

Mr. Alderman Woof) said, that in ()vier to pro.
vide einploynient and sustenance for the poor, lit
should move; that .13ditmour Forest, along witl
the public buildings upon it, be distributed
the poor. He now gave noticu of his intentioi
to make stick a motion soon after the recess.

Air. Se►jeant OttsLuiv hoped that the 'flvorth:
Al►lerman would illthe mean time ascertain wile
titer •it was not private property.
Mr. Alderttia►► Woor said, he couhi satisfy
Learned Serjeaut that•it was not•.'

N EWSPA PE R ST AN! P 411 ES.

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Lord CASTLEREAGH MO% ed the Ofdei for thl
farther cousideration of the Deport of the News

paper Scamp Duties Bill, for the purpose of re-
committing it.

Mr. J. SMYTH said, be bad this day teen a
great many persons connected with the book
tradewbO were of opinion that their interests
would. be very much "affected by this Bill. He
'hoped the Noble Lord would therefore allow full
tithe for the'cowsideration of so important a mea-
sure. The Booksellers, notwithstanding the al-
terations which had been made, were still in the
greatest alarM respecting this Bill. He was wil-
ling to believe that it was not the intention of the
Noble Lord to affix a stamp duty to certain pub-
lications respecting whichetheir apprehensions
--'444e excited, but the Bill as now worded' would
liai'ethe effect of-doing so. It would requite a
-day or Iwo at least to examine the Bill to see its
What' way it would operate. • lie wished to know, .
'from the Noble Lord whether time would bu
granted for the proper examination of this Bill

Lord CASTLEREAGH Said, he would consent to
have the Bill to commiited on Monday nest:- He
did not Think it would be advisable to fix a' later
day'for this stage of the Big, as it was desirable
`that a measure of the kind•bliould be discussed with
Cite fullest attendance. In the interval between

L ‘ti f Monday, the Bill ,might undergo the ex-
ItilM Eination which Gentlemen wished. I.lteAroped.
vtliat his proposition would meet the views ofboth
•19titiffils.`
iortre'enniiierstif4on between Mr. Beotter,
41rfittiefneli?,•tturAdVistlereagh,
1114100).•44rilitgliaitif Aftliztte4Speakete thiefly reitft4t-
-iii'g4ite4tiNtlit-Irvit•iiliiffieLßill-Was to be really *or
deli Vera i oiliteM4vniYetiP'
Mr. Neetildkortnt tii(l,o.tiiii! was infinitely the
most ihiport ant 00111 "the ineasitres lately frubmitfell
to Parliament.'-The Douse were called upon .ro
"kit'ellue tind,intpcirtant entisideralitin Co the-sub-
ject of this Bill—to pause beliire they'-gaVe their
sanction tn so important a change in our system.
Th.elpfeliAibns, of this Bill were not t3o ititjuSrtaut
in themselves, as was the toundation•brfuttne
legislation laiti.by ia. This was. one of the most
impUrtftlfCrtietuftees ever submitted to Parliatnent.

It seeing's' to,hitil they. there was nothing ht the
character of the meaiure which required the press-
ing it lbreptrgh be Molise in Iheinanner poposed.
'Lord CASTLEREAGH 'agreed with the Hon. and
Learned Genttertian in considering the peseta as
the most important' of the measures which Go-
verninent had submitted to Parliament. Tilere
twat nothing which woad so fundamentally go
to tranqoillizing the Country. - Some means it was
necessary to find to rescue the • Cdontry from th*
abuses of the press.
'Mr. BROUGHAM said, the principle of the Bill
was so involved and mired nfstwith details, that
it was impossible to diseuitoli-Cprincipletill the
details of the arrangement vvetelliown.
• Lord CASTLEREAGH observed; thfirafter the ar-
rangements were agreed to in the Committee on
Monday, the discussion on -the•principle •might
take place on the subsequent:stage.
Mr. BROUGHAM hoped that between this and
Monday such alterations might be deviied as w oulcl
riecote'lhe- interests of this trade, not merely for
the sake of ;:be trade itself, but for the sake of the
whole community. His objection was chiefly
directed to the principle of resorting to stamp dit-
ties, not 'as a mekIIS of revenue, but of prohibi-
tion of publication.
Lord- CASTLEREAGH then- moved, that' the Bill
-he re-committed-on Monday next. • Agreed to.
A MEMBER, whose-narne,eould not be learned.,
moved for an Account-of the Exche.quer-Bals
issued since the Ist of September last, specityiog
the:rates of .interest at whieh- they were issued,
and.the rates they hear in thelthatket.

The CHANCELLOR" Of, titer Extitiquett wislltd
ale Hon: Member to give notice cat leas' ~notio,a.

ARMY tsTimATEs:

The House having resolved itself into a Com-
mittee of 'Supply,
Lord PALmBitSTON. rose to prop ose-a vo'e of
At my Estimates 'on account. He sail that at
this eat!), period'of the ,season'it was tot possi-
ble to make out the Estimattcin, detail. Oit this
account; and also for the conifewerace of the
House, he wished to propose at Vot-e,6tl account,
for the estimates' of whieh. only !an iabstract bad
been presented.. The -sum he .wished to propose
to vote would arnount to nearlrone and a half
million, which. would include Afrefelpence of call-
ing out the Pensioners. We should therefore de-
she to reserve all discussion cal the ,aware detailed
estimates were laid before: the -House later the
Recess, and 'the final -vote prop4sed. He con-
cluded:by thhvin'g vote'ot '900,0001. on accouLt
of the Land 'Service, with the 'exception of Ire-
land 'and the troops 'in the service of the- East
India Company. '
Mr. CALCRAFT said, he should not press the
:discussion' dt the' subject- tagainst the Wish of the
House, but it did appear strange, that when 10
or 12,000 men were 'added, to a standing army its
time of peace, and that standing army too the
largest that ever'Was 'known in 'the'- country at
any similar time, that- the'Noble Lord should pass
-it over as an ordinary matter of business whisk
called for no explanation_ - -T-11Ough lie was not
prepared, tinder the 'cirtamstances -e,f • tlto
country, tei-jarty that-he should peremptorily op-
pose the calling out niche Peasionets, yet he
thought it the duty- the Members of the House
to. awaken the jealousy of .the Country to such
proceedings. • Ile hardly knew, however, how to
begin a discussion on which he should be ready to
enter, t as; the Noble Lord had given no reasons
for the vote. He saw too, among the votes, a.
sum fur the Military College. " lie, for one,
shoitld:object to that vote at that moment, as the
'utility .0.1 'that application of money was at this
tune very questionable. lie had rather that the
Noble Lord should take a sum on account gene-
tally, without specifying particular heads, as the
l'arliamefnOroirld theta' be to no princi-
ple, except, .perhaps„. II a .of the increase 'of the
army hyellliftg out' the •Peusit4,.rs. • •
Lord e..A.:L.RsTi,'Nsaid, thelloUsi Arad at the
beginuitrig of the. Session . been made acquainte.l
with the !increase-of the army by tl.e Prince Re-
gent's Speech.' Me:lld: proposed a Vote gerte-
rally fur the service•ot:One quarter, and he should
'Wave 'no objection to propose tr-frite for t4ie-.whole
on ac court, withOtt ecifyihk particitiliDicrvlces,
with the exception. of .11.4 t. for .the Mriß{rary Col-
lege afol'Asyom, wirielLdid,tint paisr-ifihrugh the
hands of the Paymatter-tieneyal, and which it Wall

t

'4l I VAS() necessary to have tinder a sepa
••c► I.V Blof it ally one withed td, pin 811 Cllti
llilitary Coils ge, it would not certainly be
pi to abolish it before she 24.1 of Cil ,
81,11 11 was only till that rinse dial the siloi to be
v..sed ivonld supply the est4bl.shatent. The ex-
pence of the College teas less than it had been
last yeas, as reductions Were in progress. It
%quoit! he desirable, too, that tits measure of call-
out the pensioners should be recognized by a

After a few svords from Mr. CALCRAFT,
Davtas said, he also had the strongest
(,!gret ion, to the Military Collee. He niched to
1:7,0m %shit the Merea4 of 100 0001. on the
+ree tm volunteer corps arose from Whether
• H, tl,e tfxrease of corps, or 111: on, the old corps
I): iuo c i;led to pet manent duty ? It was to be ob.
si-tied, 'hat thotogb not more than half the items
ot the e.timates were brought forward, there
ev,is AU increase on them of half a million beyond
list year.
Lord I'ALMERSTON said, the number of volon;
tuer anti yeomanry corps had been increased. The
exact number he could not state, as the services
of those corps were accepted, not by the War-
Office, but by the Home Department. The in-
crease on the Estimates was merely on the vo-
lunteer service, and from the charges of calling
• out the pensioners.
Colonel DAVIES observed, there was no diminu-
tion on any other branch. After the professions
of economy which had been made in the last
Session, he had expected to see some proofs of it.
As he was now mentioning ;be subject, he should
give notice, that early after the Recess he should
move for a Committee. to Inquire into the Military
Expenditure—to shew the people that the House
was not inattentive to their interests, for be was
convinced that -no branch of the public service
more needed inquiry.
The vote was agreed to.
On the question that 300,0001. be glinted for
the service of Ireland,
CHRLSTMAS RECESS.

Mr.'TtERNEY asked what it was the intention of
the Noble Lord to propose respecting the ad-
journment ?
Lord CASTLEREAGH said, that the state of the
business before the•Hotise was such, that it would
not be possible to rise till the Ist of January or
30th December. It had been usual to adjourn
till the Ist or 2d of February ; but as much pub-
lic business would be expedited before the.ad-
joornment , he should propose to adjourn till the
Stir or 10th of February.
The vote of 300,0001. was agreed toi as was
30.0001, tar General S aft, 10 0001. for Staff in
Ireland, and various other .1111 IS, on account for
Surgety, the Military College, &c.
MISDEMEANORS BILL.
- Tbe Report of the Misdemeanors Bill was
br.ioght up.
Lord EBRINGTObI said, that as he had opposed
all the other new measures which had been
lieu-
posed to the H.use, he was glad to state that the
clause in this Bill which limited the time for pro.
iecutiog ex-officio informations, met with his
warm approbation.
INIr. DEN MAN said, he cousid-red the Bill as an
improvement in the Law of linghtud.. Though he
was not desirous of clogging its progress by the
addition of clauses, he should mention, that as the
law now stood, every prosecutor on a inkde-
Hicanour had the power, without cause assign-
ed, of removing the cause by certiorari to the
king's Bench, by which process it often hap-
pened, that if the defendant was found guilty,
he had to pay much more for expences than
any fine imposed on him by the Court. Now,
as the defendant was to be prohibited from re-
moving the case without shewing.cause, the pro-
secutor should in like manner be restrained. He
took this opportunity of stating, that unless
some Gentleman of greater weight took the matter
up, lie should bring it before the House. He sug-
gested too, that it would be an improvement on
the Bill if the certiorari was not to issue without

a notice to the opposite party.
BettNALI. suggested that the Officers of the
Crown should, in the•eas,e of ex•qfficio informa-
►lo►►, be allowed to enter a nolle prosequi, without
pu►ting the defendant to the trouble of au appli-
cation to the Court.

Mr. G. LAMB said, tbat having originally put
the question respecting the limiting of ex-officio
informations, which had been so satisfactorily
answered by the clause of the Bill before them, he
ti.lt it his duty to state his satisfaction at the'al-

trration which had been made. He trusted too

that this would be sent out to the country as the
permanent measure, and that the other Bills

snoilld be considered as medicines beneficial only
19r the moment.
The ATTOHNEY•GENERAL inserted as an amend-
ment, atter the words directing an application to
the Court, the words, " free of all expeuce to the
panty applying."

Mr. DENMAN said, it had been doubted (though
he believed it applied to Wales) whether it applied
ii that country.

Tile ATTORNEY-GRNEMAL said it certainly did.
The Report was agreed to.—Adjourned.

COURSE OF EXCHANGE, DEC. 17.

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. THEATRICAL REGISTER.
Performed Last Night.
fIiKAtRE ROYAL, ])RUBY-LANE.—Bertram : Bertram, Mr.
Kean ; Imogioe, Mrs. M‘Gibbon. After which, Lott and
Key.
THEATRE ROYAL, COVENT-GARDEN.—The Comedy of Errors;
Droiniu of Ephesus, Mr. W. Farrel'; Adriana, Miss Ste-
phens. After which, The Critic.

PRICE 01
THIS HAT AT
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3/ per Cent,
4 per Cents
Bank Lon.g Ann. 17 5-16tlis
India Bonds— .Is. 3s. 2s. dis.

F STOCKS
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Exch. Bills, 2d. 6s. 7s. 4s. dis.
Ditto Small ' par
IDitto Connuercial29s. 30s.drs.
Cons. fur Account.. 674 filial

MAILS..
AURIVED—I Dublin, j Waterford, 2 liatllbUrgh.
DUE-1 Holland, 1 Malta, 1 France.

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THE SUN.

40LEAI QUIS DICEKE FALSUM AtiliKAT

LONDON,
SATURDAY, DLCEMBER 18, 1819.

The Paris Papers of Wednesday last, %villa
were due this morning, have not arrived.

New York Papers arrived this morning to the
igth November :

(From The New York Paper of the 17th.)

HAVANNAti, OCT. 31.—The new troops suffer
severely from the climate. The rains have been

unfortunately violent for these last lb days, and the
y is very sickly. In consequence of the 3600
soldiers recently arrived, 1 have ascertained, that
316 privates and 17 officers have been buried, and
1045 are now in the Hospital.
(From The Commercial' _Vet-rarer, Nov. 15.)

Captain l NGLE, of the brig Commodore Barry,
arrived this morning in 16 days from the Balize,

has favoured us with a Louisiana' Gazette of the
22d October. We understand that the New Or-
leans Gazette of the 21st mentions, that a large
number of Spanish troops (about 2000) have
landed at Pensacola. If this be true, the troops
are doubtless those mentioned in an extract of a
Letter from. Anietia Island.
FROM ST. UGUSTIN e--The National Inlelli-

gencer gives the following as a postscript of a
letter from an Officer at Amelia Island, under date

of the 30t1) ult.

4-‘ By the arrival of the mail from Augustine;
news has been received that a vessel from the

Havanna() had at rived at that place, bringing in-
formation that 1500 troops were to sail from the
latter to the former place in a few days; and that the
Governor had put i close confinement the Captain
of the vessel for giving publicity to the report."
FIRE AT wiLMINGTON...-A Letter received in
Philadelphia mentions, that 200 houses were de-
stroyed, and the total loss is estimated at one miJ-

lion dollars. The Letter also mentions, that Mr.
FARQUHAR Mqhe was killed by the falling of a
brick wall.

The Funds have risen this morning, and sever
ral purchases to a great extent have been made:

It is said in The British Press of this day that
the Bill for the Prevention of Seditious Meeting.
ought to be styled, " A Bill for the effectual Pre-

rention of all Public Meetings."—We are always

reluctant to enter into controversies with any of
our Competitors, and particularly with The 'British

Press, which appears to us to be the only legiti-
mate Opposition Journal now extant in the Me-
tropolis, all the rest being more or less infected
with the Radical contagion.—The Writer in The
British Press must know that all Public Meetings
are not prevented by the measure in question, but
that it is, what it professes to be, a Bill
to regulate Public Meetings in such a man-
ner as may secure the Country from Seditious
and Rebellious Assemblages, which, if not pre-
vented, might end in the destruction of every
thing valuable and sacred in the Country.—
The eyes of the Public are constantly directed to-
wards the conduct of all Public Functionaries,
and the consciousness that such unceasing ob-
servation prevails will operate to prevent all
abuse of power, when Requisitions are Made
for Meetings not inconsistent with the safety
of the Realm. Can The British Press, venture
to say, that Seditious Meetings should ❑ot
be effectually prevented, as likely to delude
Phe ignorant, stimulate the factious, and en-
. dmtger the welfare of the Empire Study
it will not be hardy enough to answer in the
affirmative. Public Meetings, therefore, in these
times, ought to be guarded by doe regulations, and
no Meetings for lawful and necessary purposes ate
prevented by the proposed measure, a measure
that is intended only to be temporary, and to ter-
minate as soon as it is no longer obviously essen-
tial for the protection of Govertment, and the se-
cuti,y of the Con►titution.

The Bath and West of— England Agricultural
Society have struck Mr. HUNT'S name out of their
list of menthe's, in consequence of a letter he ad-
dressed to the Secretary respecting his at rears of
subscriptigu.