The Sun.
London, England, 1810-04-14 00:00:00

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as indisPengabk: Qoitaiblyi rro hope
.0 rernovlng
any such nitpbsitioli 'should b held out to the peo-,
ple until there :.appeared "soine reason lb calenlate
upda the .rneant, of redli4ing that hope. A pre-
"Sent; no praeticable.reibeZly WA supported upon
the subjeft of tythes;. and therefore he should
Oppose the motion for going into a
.Conimittee;
-But, in faCt,
~the case of - tithes' in Ireland
seemed to be much IniSunderstood in this country.
The tythes in Ireland were by no Means so consider-
able in- their nature and alnount as they were in this
.country.. This, he thought it nece.ssaty to state; in
,order to correct the inapressiOn which the exagge-
rated reports of bottle Gentlemen weiecalctilated. to
produce, although he felt as much as any limn for
,the oppressions of the Irish people, and was as
anxious as any in,m to remove every ground of their
Corripiaint.

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WiiiEßFbit Cit tegued tlO nt
t eipetk,e \ Ib4
thatmthino- could ope-0f...
the. reelifts or the adoPtic'3
!ike i lie present: Much viitti,ti) be expei:te4
ttom the itiformatioil of a Coritutatee ot•
House wii*wlsli he was saiisfie it woulu tse, id
irellorate rhi Colic-666i of the Nat),AL
act-ofbats `res(ilvingitito such a Co.;,:utet, cacalmsbulated, -go far.; aswas alleged, ti)m producing dig-
Content, to ehgrider hope and ad its conc6inifaut
blessings.

.Sir O. lint. thbught that to go into a Committee
without having a .specific cours • marked Out asap.
plicable to- boar, pa, of the kingdom, uould be to
',old out false hope to the people. Tw Howe tlieiz
divided. -.

,For the motion . 4s
Against it - - - - 69
IVbjotity against the motion -—2 t

Mr% HER-BERT (of Kerry) spoke in favour of,
going into the Committee. .. f -. . ' Suri)LY. .
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Mr. M. Fii-zbeaaeo ergued at length' against the .
pfesent Mae Elf tolle'&ingtytties in Ireland. :He Mr. CURWEN Moved that the House should re•
stated, as a ebrifissarative hluseration of the grievous ,salve ins „ a c e ommitte of Supply.
Ma. le ,asoeff'venoved that the House (3,, atijourn.
tonal a ianiag 6s as Norfolk the tythes'did not ex-
Oct an naderssanding; however, the; nothing eta
exaction in Ireland, that in a county of sects agricula s
, public nature was tobe voted, the Hotise went itito
ct,
] b'Ced the rate or h. en acre; Whet-rata in Ireland, a •Committee, when,• on the
Motion of Mr. Curt-
tfie wheat tythe attiohntecl in ninny parts
.to two WEN, a sum, not exceeding eOOOl. was ia , es.Cto
Captain Manby, for bit invention ;ff 81100 ti-g a 1115pe
guineas anacre, and-30s. an acre on potatoes. The
frOrrea Ship to
_the Shore, by which; a nntnber`of
Mr of the established clergy was in many, cases
Much b4ntstl tfult prOportiois of their labour. There ' lives had been lately.saved.-
; *ere districts of considerable extent Where. there . The Report Was ordered to h,-.! received, and the
wereneit her churches net resident clergy. He thought rs_
%.,omrnittee to sit ggditi oh Monday.
this in itself a ground of inquiry. He quoted a passage
Adjourned at Hal.- ass Ont: o'Ciock 1;lt tvinitd'w
I riolft , i,atophlef.atirituted to Dr.Dnigenan, published -`
the want of Protestant pastors becoming the prey of
ramhling Popish friars. The Rig-ht Hon. Gentle,.
• mar then prOeeteled to argue from the nature of the Yesterday a General Special Court of Proprietors
orisatial institution at Tylhes that they Were . in- of East India Stock was held at their Houser Lead-
tended for various other purposes besides that of the enhall-street.
_,Wteeima ASTELL, Esti. the Cultiya
maintenance of the clergy. It appeared, that hi man, in the Chair.
the tinies'of RiChard the Second, Henry the Fourth, ' DEPOSED WRITERS, CADETS, &e.
The minutes of the Court of Direaora being read
Henry the Sixth, and down to Edward IV. this
but
over;- and; an abstract- of ' the Bye-lays being- also
a Werth part of else Tyi hes then collected was appro.
read, agreeably to :.the astral praaice at the first
priaed to the clergy merely. He did not want to
&dila from the prop..,Tty of the Chinch of Irelanal, meeting after the choice of ITr,-_..ttors,
' The Chairman moved that- the ResolUtion of the
but he was anxious for the sake of the country that
other :Court of Direators lot' reab,lnihting Fienry Gardner,
they should derive that property from some
• a Student Sti the East India College, destined for
source than that of the-tin-aeries 6f the peoale.
Mr. PiTzGERALD (of Ennis) bad no objection to
the Madras.e.tablishment who had been discniSsed
go into the Corrimittee,, though not on the grounds inconsequencesof his nomination haying been Pro-.
cured bv•corrUpt paactices, of which,. however; it
stated by his Right' Hon. Friend. He was
.deter-,
mined to resist. every' attempt upon'the property or appeared that -he himself was ignorant, hut who teal
the Church of Ireland,
been re-aepointed • try% Junes, Daniell, E. one of
. .
• Mr. GkATTAN said, that he had for a coesiderable the'Direaors; be agreed. to.
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Mr. Reese eXpressed his gh approbation of the
time entertained the saine opinton,upon the nppres-
-Resolution. • He. hoped- to. see every One .of the
sive nature or levying Tithe S-in Ireland, arid: that he
• young men who stood in this unfirrithiate situation
' had not in ' all that time heard one argument that
arestored. If there were anse of thee); which he
could preVail on -him to alter that opinion. He Was.
more and more convinced of the propriety, and of Much feared was the case, who had no personal
among the Direaors to restore then to their
di,: necc:!ssity, and of the praCticability of a con-nines
he si.f cerelrtrusted that- the:Court in
talon ;it was not the commutation that was• imprac- -friends a
•gi t oat ions,
-general- would tako the case of those.who were thus
ticable, but' it was the strict levy of the tythe that
was so. The Irish Clergy ought not to atteMpt_to Inthappily situated, into their consider ,flora, and
levy a tenth of Irish produce, because thenieastire it- r
self was awould, as a body, extend : to them .that sympathy
m impossibility ; they could not do it, and
and commiseration to- which they were entitied, in:
what was more, they would destroy themselves-by Sa-
consequence of a punishment inflitted on'them for
tempting to do it, the attempt would involve their de-
offences of which they were innocent, at least in the
truction as a corporation. But were it practicable— moral guilt of which they had no participation.
would it be expedient ? Let the church.
.take the The
.Resolution of the Court of. De eCtors was
tenth of the national wealth, and what. do either the . .
country or the corporation gain ?. The church may then un;rt;iinously agreed to. - ' - ?
and' then a compari- • The. Chair wae informed the Court of Proprietors,
become too rich for devotion,
son Will naturally group that the present Court had .been made special for
of the wealth of the es-
tablisliedclergy, the purpose of -perusing_a Petition proposed to be
d,clergy, and the poverty of the tolerated; the
onepresented to the' House of COmm:ess on the sub-
I Will have its odium and the other will have its
_sect of .the Company's offers. 'He should: not de::
praise, the odium and the praise being both popular,
lain; the Conn with -ciffaring any observationss in'
may .be equally • exCessive; but not on that •ac-
eupport of the Petition, but should simply propdse
'count
-.the less niischidvOus. He did not wish to ; that it be' read, reserving to. himself to deliver- his
touch the present income of the church. , He
sentiments .
on the occasion, if tineapeetedly, aity.ob-
, would make it the basis of any arrangement that
jedlien °r doubt should arise on the subjea. ..
House
The Petition wet then raad,—ltrefers to the
was to be proposed. Tittles though abolished would
not affect an income derived from a different source 5 . Petition presented by the Cenipa'by,, to the
the country was able to provide for their Established• -of Commons,-in April,. 18U8; and states the faaf,
Clergy, unless Gentlemen would say that it "was
that i,e00,0001. was then granted to them by Par-
eeasy to provide tor the moderation of the Catholic lianieut, to the demand claitried-by the Com- •
Clergymen, but impossible to provide for the hungry
rnae) ages/in the country. This sutra, with the'
Riebitien of the Protestant—who would listen . to no
sales, which. were more favourable than teed been
other commutation than that of a tenth for a tenth, expeeled, the Petition-goes on to state, pieveirted
-But- that ,would•not be said—He would not say it--s . the „pCompany:e apply
• ing for iSsis;;
thfor he could speak from knowledge in testimoefof
tae_iti?any other ,quarter. The revenue, of ythe
e Moderation of - the majority of -the IrisloPtereas rienecessityf the,
tent Clergy; Company for the ,year 180 eat 0, there was every
. There was a few whom
,he found '
reason to suppose, would -be nearly equal to-the
to be sutliciently acute, furnished- with a qUick
claims to .bee made against it:. Tile e.xtraordinory
scent in the-pursuit of clerical pr - ofits. They were, •
fro the
cies a dtai's in calls on the Company, lioWever, had nettyet' CeBB-':
however, but few—the generality were of a different 'ed. These arose, first from Ldia, to'
order. But the Tithe Proaor waS of another spe-
amount.of 4,g00-,0001. on accuse) t of the wars ear-
: another stamp pubtie faaler of phhtic rise! on there; and 2dl3;m , losses is their
. rapine—he extended beyend himself the infaMy of
shippieg, during the' last year, amounting, in, the
feted fro
• his galling and griping character. ':he Church ad-
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tWo artieles'ol merehaodize at prime coat, and,Sef
m: the officious Ministry of those sordid i , freight, to 1,048,0001.
r - .
harpies-. The Tvthe Proaor cannot 'help -lieltig a from prospective estimates w hich bad beeh niaae
'for the year 1809- tO, it appeared, ' tha
lythe Proctor, He only follows his natuse When
tail a this Way.
he griudS. But the Clergy should be removed to : the suits to be expended- would exceed the incoatg.
a jealoo-s aistance from the contagion of Stich
,a COo- to. the amount of about 2 ;083,0001, wiiiCli ihe Coin-.
nesion. He was for going into' the doMMittee it .
patty could not raise-from its OWII leso:,:ices; nor
it were: only, to show the Irish public that then in- were its-
funds ever equal; at any one time, to rlse'
[crests were not wholly indifferent to that Hoitse. : experiees of carrying on the Government in Iniia,
Door DIJIGENAN dented that he was the author ,
of tin time of war: Tire accounts. to last -IV/ a rch; how-s
he pamphlet attributed to bins, and said that the !
out against ever; sheVved that the funds of the Company in'
Mt de of reprobation ,thruw LI the Tithe - ; Englind- excee.led•its debts,- to the ' amount of tutu
proistor salts not deserved. It was equ:111 ' wrong to i • , ,- Y e , milltoas Night hundred and twenty-txt,6 thousand
call,the tithes a tax ;`it was..no such thing and as to .
pounds which sum they hoped would be equa: th
their being a severe and partial emiction upon the
cover any advances made by the Houten ;tee the
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property- of the Ronaan Catholics, he coitteirde.d. House et Commons.---The Pctitioo hei6s, re ;it ",
that could not be Ale case, while fotty-oineparfs The'Citaitn'moved that this Petitron he pre::
out of fifty of the landed property dt
.Ireland Was
.sented to the House of Commons. - .- • .
in the hands of Protestants. - - '
, . Mr. 'ROCK. sugeested,- as the pre,enf Petitioo re..
deneral MATTHEW could pay little attention- to ferred .to a - Petition thrmerly pieseeted by the- Com- "
-..
the observations of the last Speaker, having under-
oany on the same subject, and as 'there • were' ratan
y ~-
stood from a Noble Lord not•noui in this- House lareprieters now - present who miella not ha,Ve_beea'
(Lord Wellingtep) when he was nude a 'Member,little confidence present when former Petititut was &tore them,
was h
of the,Privy 'Copncil in Ireland, so,
that it too should be now read. ; ' .
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he thought entitled to, that he was to be the eer. GRANT (the late Chairman), observed,: thet,
muzzledDoelor. He (the Ganeral) had a petitioh the one Petitzion did not at' allhaug on t lie °filar; 1t."...
on the subject of Tithes, during the -last years, from was-not; therefore, at all necessary to judee qt the;
his county (Tipperary). which, trusting to. the as- propriety of the present Petition, that th&forther'one -
`hadsurancea of the Chancellor of the EaChequer, be should be read.- The reference to the fOrnie? Peti-ie' es
not brought forward; but he now fulled bitn ,
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lion had been introduced into 'the presenti•oiiebtilyoki
to be a slippery person. He was, therefore, in fa- , historically. He had no ob'ti.ifiliti,::
your of the mutton. ieciiew, libwe
' could
hl to the Court, that the fulmar
satisfactory
. , Mr. P.ErscEvAt... challenged Geetlemen' who sup- Petiti Ctrsithisid be read.
ported this motion, instead of voting for a co- , .
Mr. Racer presumedeo think that the reading' or
jmittee, to bring"for ward arty proposition pn the sub- the -tamer Petition would`' prove satisfictory to the-
ect which could be' cativaSsed.in that House. No- Court. He; for' Otte` soul answer that it would
thing, he conceived was 'more dangeaous ac!h to
prove so to him.
awaken- the' exNatarionasof the -eeople. where `they . Ihd Chairinan contended, that the former Peti-
were'to receive.nOfhing; 1 tion had nbthing to do with the present question.

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