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London, England, 1844-06-11 00:00:00

bring them as low ai 15s. ; and if they would de tttlitif
commerce in this article would increase to 101`-tots
altogether unknown. If justice were to be diesnfiticat
consumers, there must be a general system 0 ,
in the imposts on those articles which came intou.
consumption, for this should be the great object u
lation.
Mr. M. GIBSON seconded the motion.
Mr. JA‘tES explained. TIER
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQ— cosi°
subjeet had been so fully discussed on a recent, e
that he did not think it necessary to trouble mil f ts
at any length. They would find in the spece,te°otig.
Hon. and Learned Gentleman, by a carefal!,e
obse
sufficient grounds fur rejecting the motion. 11'.. 010
Nations of the Hon. and Learned Gentleraan we'f dot!'
in favour of a • general reduction or abolition v sToos
than to the subject under the consideration of tu:s'oiar
He (the• Chancellor of the Exchequer) was mosonsisi,
to reduce taxation to the lowest possible state eilioutor
with the maintenance of the revenue; but, w 'oos);
glecting the first duties of a Government, they ;ors el'
• •of the ti 4
at present accede to the proposition d ihot
Learned Member for Dumfries. These who "otter, 1"`
capital in sugar should not be altogether fore.rost
should they altogether overlook the interests of 01°
coloMnie
s. ro4,
r. HUME recommended his Hon. andshe
Friend not to press his motion at present. "ositioll,'
Indian colonists were not at present in a P
cope with foreign Powers, and they should'ehists
man to run away whilst they knew the length flitsl;,,
They should first relieve the West Indian,c: rod
from the disadvantages and burdens which he
tbitiP
present to contend with, and having done the:to ce't
but not until then, might they fairly expect the
ea ost
with the Brazilian or the Cuban, who employ'
labour.—(Hear, hear.) t
eos
Mr. LABOUCHERE, thouh oposed to the ast°
would yet recommend thd Hong and Learned Geu
to press his motion to a division. via
Mr. M. GIBSON was of opinion that it would
fsti
much better for the country if the exact asourioese;i
claims of the colonists were laid before the " she
have them amply compensated, than that theY,oula',
be thus allowed to obstruct a measure which ,‘Tos,
much conduce to the welfare of the British c°lst otio?„
He saw no reason why 10s. should be the 013 e eolds'
of duty which was necessary to compensate the
obis;
Besides, our trade with foreign countries was mush A't
peded 'by the present restrictions, and be of'
would protest against preferring the interests estil,l
class of capitalists to the advantage of heul,pcs'i
He disagreed entirely with the feeling which sptis°`l
that this interference would prevent the COnsur'eroarV;
slave-grown sugar by English subjects. geints aer,(
that at the time when the emancipation of tsst Pis
was under the consideration of Parliasticr'' 0.0
humane persons abstained altogether from se
of a
sugar, because it was produced by slaves ; and
surprised that a Government, who professed wco tO
commercial principles, should lend its inilueeneoats pd
setting up of a new principle—the rejection 0' slavers
with other States on the ground of sissy, alb
tolerated in them. He regarded the monopiloa;
was set up as extremely pernicious, and cs cderistcs
insult the feelings of foreign States, and res.th tb
difficult the formation of commercial treaties s/1
States. hot
• Strargers were then ordered to withdraw,o,efoo,
House did not divide ; and on our re-admissi°l3oe Sea
Mr. VILLIERS addressing the Rouse. r.,,oissoOria
Member said that the questions put to the iser,e,,a)
were of so much importance that the Minls,4s, r,
J in refusing to reply to them.—A'lghtial
The . House and. the country had 3 n .so,,
demand from • ,the Government the re- rateoisf
the West India islands were to have this Post ties
Was it that they were so useful ? Was it agetst'lsi•
were so loyal ? Whereas, only four years est is'oe
legislatures were suspended because they war The
—(Hear, hear.) Were they contented ? dives lot
Member for Cumberland (Mr. James) haliteie to
answer.— (Hear, hear.) Ile had told the . of.o
the colonies were 'ruined by the emancinstecieosoOto
slaves. The philanthropists, as well as the thre°'ol
.hiichtlwayS contended that it would be best is °tea
West Indies upon their own resources, and,sst° beeSaili
altogether with. protective duties. That ows-er I Poi
opinion of Mr. Cropper, Mr.. Stevens, and seiv-ait'siesse
and the result had fully borne them out. °us cove
not the whole of the West Indies: but, on 11!iesof4i
it would be found, that if there were any de",che ord./
der particular circumstances, in that island,
ear,ifo!
in other islands had doubled. in six years.---(1 the so
The whole measure was designed to forwa%binetiftil
Indians, who had too much influence in the,'ear.),4
too much power over the Government.—(issim,Ago
he would ask the House, did they not know °. e
other countries, the governors of which li'lethlaly
dealers in the slave trade themselves?—(l{esri,'S set_l
a slave trade was carried on with Nubia,
,a'sly isscf,
Pacha was recognised as the friend 1110 d forlo4
country, although the slaves were not intends recce v(ai
dial labour alone, but for more degraded role ss)S,
more unworthy purposes. He would support ;roil ts;
of his Hon. Friend; and must express his °p wbc
the questions of the Right Hon. Gentleolll° gs
last sat down ought to be answered. the
Mr. GLADSTONE was surprised that,al for
Gentlemen should make a charge against 1111,t
stating the grounds on which the Governotet thu;il)
protection to the West Indian interest. "inetedfi
that every lion. Member was so well acquci—necO,
tt
that that. he had considered it would be disre,s,,ricel';sl'
the House to repeat them over again ; R- ott
must 'repeat them—(Cries of "No, no")--11:ur;
,;
first, that they were maintained, becati-ses he:el`k
system of protection the customs had uSwssseso -tftS•
gulated ; and secondly, because they bac' Tbe.,
protection amounting almost to prohibition• juSifs'oti
was, that at the present moment the West wore b,,
terest was suffering a depression of labourse sire
any other interest. He did not think that toseor
the Hon. Member for Manchester afforded a `,filetost
lent example of the benefit of free labour; to s4e4
Member for Wolverhampton had referre" its te-tlie
published by Mr. Gurney four years ago' :to sstblitr,
to the effect of free labour in Antigua, 00" free'
had argued that, in consequence of that free a dos vso
the export of sugar from that island had beet 0111,04
but he had taken no notice of a return tbsools t
Ile laid on the table only four days ago, or De oueelvf,
discovered that such was not the case. .deac
Hon. Gentleman ought to have better evi
he made the assertion. k oWle"cer°
Dr. BOWRING said, to his certain % 510
Pacha of Egypt had been ready to put doworitais'
le ef
any way that might be suggested by Grestd. 01.4
would support the motion of his Hon. Erie otee
Mr. VILLIERS asserted again that the s dcciv
Mr. Gurney were correct. TOO
Lord STANLEY repudiated their ace'''. The
of "Divide, divide." flotis'osic'x„
Mr. COBI)EN then rose to address the se t
001.1 S
appeared to him a great disposition in the es
the discussion of this question upon PrineiPto94l°ll'.
sides of the House there was a marked al/ tOs
to entertain the proposition of the 11°'?" OP p 0
ea
Dumfries; He had no hesitation in slt,Yindieas'oe's7
question was properly considered and floe r ocie,,,,J
Minister could withstand it. The Eigß" sad se
man at the head of the Board of Trade Gtotirf;
upon the question of something that Mr', to tPlitett,i
written. He (Mr. Cobden) could not sgrde-was t
ciple of protection ; all that was wanttd tea. 4,
principle of non-interference should be a °lt', ere Ost
been attempted to blink the question, but, to tilettrj
mask it. The fact was, they wanted to gis.,,eir old,
India proprietors los. a cwt. mere for the vo9rdstlst
it would produce in the markets of t'otial AO'
that was to be accomplished by a diffir,o coo;
(Hear, hear.) For his own part,
_lioo,ae ;tre'r
that the-West Indians had no right t° fitablesue:
House and:ask it to make their trade Pro 0.019;
what would be the effect of the measure? ote ;
no benefit on the coloured population of thenvoif
0514 tt.136°1
ilnd it could not be doubted that the m 0 Dunes
had not been of any benefit to the Lad that O'er.'
country, for the fact was that they state 001 e, eost,4'
'been ruined by a differential duty of 635. 02 &Vet?
fore, could a differential duty of 10s. do theasje °ool`llo
The time was when a Member was 164,5 I`r
in that House if he was a monopolist, an" s- °trees,.
incumbent upon Members, if they 111. ..`4"
were monopolists, to name them, ariv`" eSbarllol4
of that year, the Members for ""vthat :sro'
and Bridgewater, were unseated °n theYe-11-ec''
Reverting, however, to the monopolies asebei weves,
the present day, he begged to state that eels' but to
plained of, and protested against, not in eopoo
they took away from the comforts of thels atteoecto
cause they were a hindrance to trade.
vere c° 1,1)04
banish at the present time those who uselesais
with, or interested in them, would be a rtire 11 se
for it would be attempting to banish an e,htet,is pets
of those. who composed the' House.—(Lsi.o
came the free traders, therefore, to stir bep
that hie
in order that the monopolists in na oohs that
connected with sugar, timber, coffee, 34 it sa,l.Zp
might on a future occasion be kept ont uitt;ore.l'oo too"
He (Mr. Cobden) did not stand there to iititeetoispeto.,
India planters. He had no wish--”tliessyr the trot
so. On the contrary, he wished to see
sesotbs loss,
and to that end he urged them to coaleAscautY eolo'b's fig
traders in order to carry a low duty.e..SS-„ositice_oie Id
even 14s. per lb., would put them in ab. telelbraci beet So.
years time from the present than tnlrsegesa
coo Jolt
years. The consequence of such an 'iia itarae_
be to give to the West India trade a.,,,ceas--tiieteuj
pulse—better machinery would be intr7e'd_saiioo. ; y
system of cultivation would be oilglutist quarlsoe Is
apsoruhladpsbetghiant
wasto develops elaorptTel
ietsemlforien, t,se lodic
renuisitet lodi"eeJ
other.—(Laughter.) Let matters in r
_roprie:tio
put upon a sound footing, and the sun' r
i',Ve real queailistsll
have no fear of Cuba or Brazil.
saonoP°ll,l f th• to°
monopoly or no monopoly? The
nopoly ; it neither desired large °see"
monopolies, nor modified monopolies.
jodiefgaiatier
was perfectly satisfied, that the W 4, 0
spell).- o. op
country was.es9 nor so be
would find themselves much more Pc% insteadthe bee
go hand in hand with, the free traders, forth
of forte deft
ing their e° ° fbe
o e
of party, and to their own an
ing themselves to be made shuttleeocgs u
osti°ll,l
ment.—(Hear, hear.) Nos one P , aresE`--
Mr. P. STEWART said there last aa..„
argument of his Hon. Friend Sound accord; Wilos
House, which might be very sou"
I°l3lr;eeriletit'i°sg:‘:
IsvcahsoonlottoveurhyicEhaghleish(Minrits Cobden)charactebre.
o rie°rs Fuse°. t
that because the 'West India pr,ll)..id he tba
and weak body, therefore they fe ill nn!'s, to siteie
it really ought in fairness to be bathe sietl,4t sfe iley‘
West India interest had been inau„.„t for Tess 01 le ot
the colonies would have been utterlyeise. Oto r_tsoll
titular system of legislation ;
andu regal:etliPriPcsifl
differential duties, or of anything
_,0,0 was eo
the free traders in the present ins, ainsaisai,!:io)
the man with a heavy burden, Pl!' to the s,. Cob
and not by himself, to run as freetyiemo (es.
burden at all. If the Hon. Gent"'