The Sun.
London, England, 1845-04-05 00:00:00

himself was more indebted for his position in the army to his
birth than to any merits of his own.--(Cries of" Older.")
Lord ARTHUR LENNOX could assuretht Hon. Gentle-
man that during the twenty-four years which he had been
connected with the army, he had always followed his regiment
wherever it had been quartered. He would not say more than
that he was convinced the Gentlemen on the opposite side of
the House were wrong in supposing that any jealousy existed
on the part. of the officers of the line with respect to the officers
of the Guards. _ . _

V.
Captain B. OSBORNE thought that his Hon. Friend near
him (Mr. Hume) showed too much sensitiveness on the pre-
sent occasion. His Hon. Friend was generally so good-
humoured, that they did not know how to draw him cut ; but
at last they discovered that his weak side was Middlesex.—
(Laughter.) With regard to what his Hon. Friend said of
the Noble Lord opposite respecting his promotion, he (Captain
Osborne), who had served with the Noble Lord, could say
that he was entitled to his promotion long before he got it.
Mr. HUME said that he could name persons who were ten
years longer in the service than the Noble Lord, and who did
not get promotion ; but he did not wish to create any jealous
feelings, so he would not name them.
Colonel WOOD said that though the Hon. Gentleman was
not Member for Aliddlesex, he was glad he had a seat for
another place, where he could be as useful to the country as
ever. He did not mean anything personal in saying that the
motion of the Hon. Member was revolutionary. He believed
it was perfectly Parliamentary to characterise emotion by that
epithet.
The vote was then agreed to.
155,0991. was voted to defray the expenses of the staff officers.
89,412/. was voted to defray the expenses of the officers in
the different military establishments throughout the country.
13,200/. was voted for the Royal Military Asylum and the
Hibernian Military School.
86,168/. was voted for the Volunteer Corps.
56,593/. was voted for former unpaid services.
14,1481. was voted to defray the expenses paid for distinguished
services.

73,0001. was voted for the expenses of general officers not
being colonels of regiments.
62,0001. was voted to defray the expenses of full pay to re-
tired officers.
On the vote of 341,0001. being proposed for the cost of re-
tired half-pay officers,
Sir H. DOUGLAS said he believed the time had come when
he should, according to the notice he had given, call the at-
tention of the Committee to the cases of regimental staff offi-
cers, surgeons, paymasters, and quartermasters, with a view
to allow them to retire on their full pay, after thirty years' ser-
vice. '1 his could be effected at a small expense, and he only
threw it out at present as a suggestion, which he hoped would
be adopted on a future occasion. He thought that, after
thirty-five years' service, the officers he had named should be
enabled to retire on full pay, and he hoped all Hon. Members
would concur in the justice of his motion.
Capt. B. OSBORNE wished the Gallant Officer had included
veterinary surgeons. The whole thing was so small, and would
conduce so much to the efficiency of the army, that he thought
the House should not refuse it.—The vote was agreed to.
A vote of 52,-452/. was then proposed for the half-pay re-
duced allowance of foreign officers and the widows and orphans
of foreign officers.—Tke vote was agreed to.
A vote was then proposed of 141,8481. to defray the ex-
penses of the widows and orphans of officers of the land forces.
Agreed to.
A vote of 105,000/. was then proposed as an allowancefor the
compassionate list.—Agreed to.
A vote of 920,5531. was proposed for Chelsea and Kil-
mainham Hospitals.—Agreed to
A vote of 38,500/. for superannuated allowances was pro-
posed.—Agreed to.
NAVY ESTIMATES.
Mr. CORRY proposed a sum of 1,289,543/. for the wages
of seamen and marines. _ _ _

Captain PECHELL said that he wished to eall the atten-
tion of the Committee to the situation of captains' clerks in the
navy. They were called upon to perform eminent and im-
portant services, and they received for these the most paltry
pay. They had scarcely any hope of advancement, and having
no rank in the navy, were subordinate to the smallest mid-
shipman or the lowest officer, although they messed with mates
and midshipmen. The pay was now but 561. per annum for
the highest, and 521. for the lowest, and he thought their situ-
ation deserved the attention of the Admiralty.
Sir G. COCKBURN said there were great difficulties in
the way. The captains had the appointment of their own
clerks, and might appoint whom they pleased, and discharge
them when they pleased, so that the Admiralty had no control
over them. The clerks who passed were taken care of in the
navy, and the Admiralty had a hold of them, but that was not
the ease with captains' clerks. It would not be easy to say
that no clerks should enter the navy except through the Admi-
ralty, because if they required a captain to take a clerk under
such circumstances, the captain might very reasonably say,
" Then you must not hold me responsible tor this man's acts. '
He did not know whether a half-pay system might not be
adopted, with proper restrictions, but great difficulty existed
in adopting the extensive changes suggested by the Gallant
Officer, on account of the number of applications for situations
of this description.
Sir C. .NAPIER admitted that it was extremely difficult to
make any material arrangement on this subject, but he did not
see any difficulty in the Admiralty appointing clerks after they
had passed their examination, and then holding them responsi-
ble. He did not think the captain would have any objection to
the Admiralty appointing clerks in this way, provided the clerk
was held responsible.
Mr. WILLIAMS thought that persons who were employed
for a short time as clerks by captains and then dismissed, had
no claim to support afterwards at the expense of the public, but
if they were placed upon the establishment, they then acquired
a right to a provision for their subsistence.
Captain PECHELL said what he wished was, that this
class of persons should be made respectable, taken from the
list, and rewarded with a modicum of half-a-crown a-day when
the Admiralty could not give him a ship.
Mr. HUME hoped the Gallant Admiral would state what
check there was to prevent extravagant expense. In some
ships the expenses were so great as to more than swallow up a
young man's pay.
Sir G. COCKBURN said directions had recently been is-
sued to commanders of vessels to inquire into the state of the
messes, their expenses, and general management, and to exer-
cise their discretion in controlling them.

The House then resumed.
The CHAIRMAN reported progress, and obtained leave to
sit again on Monday.
The other orders of the day were then disposed of, and the
House adjourned at a Quarter to One.

LLOYD'S SHIPPING.
EAST INDIA SHIPPING.
Arrivals at Calcutta-Clifton, Feb. 8, from Bristol ; Proto-
melia, from Newcastle; Mary Somerville, from Liverpool ;
Romeo, 9th, from Greenock ; Windsor, 17th, from London ;
Audax, from China ; Nitts, 18th, from Ceylon ; Coromandel,
19th, from Greenock; Palatine, from Liverpool; Duke of
Wellington, from Alloa.
Departures from Calcutta-Fire Queen, steamer, Feb. 17,
to the Straits; Queen, 180, Tudor, 19th, to London ; Vernon,
put back, 9th, with loss of cutwater.
Arrivals at Madras-Emily, Feb. 13, from Newcastle ;
Deva, 15th, from Liverpool; Lady Flora, 15th, from Cudda-
lore ; Duke of Argyll, 7th, Cuddalore ; Glasgow, 21st, from
Glasgow.
Departures from Madras-Her Majesty's ship Pilot,o Feb. 15,
to Trincomalee ; Frances, 17th, to Barbadoes oct,
19th; Orestes, Diana, and Duke of Roxburgh, to China;
Marie Mathilde, to Bordeaux.
Arrivals at .Aden-John Line, March 1, from Madras; her
Majesty's ship Serpent, 9thz, from Bombay.
Depai ture from Aden-Niagara, March 4, to Bombay.
Arrivals at Hong-Kong-Java, Dec. 21, from London ;
John Christian, from Liverpool ; Eagle, 22d, from Bristol ;
Annie, 24th, from Sydney; Isabella Anna, from Hobart
Town ; her Majesty's ship Vestal, 27th, from Sydney ; Advo-
cate, 28th, from Bombay; Alligator, Jan. 4, from Shanghae ;
Packet, from Calcutta; Mary Ann Webb, from Shanghae ;
Sarah, from Sydney.
Departures from Moil;-Kong.-Mersey, Dec. 17 ; Path-
finder, 17th ; John Laird, 22d ; Eagle, 22d ; Lady, 23d ;
Royal Albert, 29th ; Lysander. 31st ; Forfarshire, -Jan. 1 ;
Castle Eden, 5 ; all to London ; Vanguard. Dec. 22, to
Manilla ; Eleanor Russell, 31st, to Manilla; Kestrel, Jan. 6,
to Sydney; Penang, to Liverpool.
Arrivals at Colombo.-Afriea, Feb. 14, from Calcutta ;
Sharp, 15th, from Shields and Galle.
. Departure from Trincomalee. Broad Oak, Jan. 2, to
Liverpool.
Arrivals at Bombay.-Imann of Muscat, Feb. 16 ; Linton,
23; Murray, 24; John Moore, 28 ; Competitor, March 1,
all from Liverpool.