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On clause 15 being proposed.
Mr. SHARMAN CR A WFORD moved that it be expunged,
and that the following clause be inserted in its place :—" And
be it enacted, that if any person or persons shall find himself
or themselves aggrieved by any order or decision of such Sub-
Commissioners, it shall be lawful for such person or persons to
appeal to any sessions of the peace to be held in the presence of
the assistant barrister in and for the county in which such
order or decision shall have been made, within four calendar
months next after the making of such decision or order afore-
said, or if such sessions shall not be held before the ex-
piration of one calendar month next after such cause of
complaint, then such appeal shall be made to the next follow-
ing sessions. And be it enacted, that the justices and the as-
sistant barrister before whom any appeal shall lie brought are
hereby empowered and required to hear awl determine the
matter of such appeal, and to make such order therein as to
them shall seem fit, which order shall be final and conclusive
upon all parties."
Sir T. FREMANTLE admitted that the system of appeal
under the Bill was imperfect, and that it had been a subject
. that he had found it most difficult to grapple with. He thought
the subject ought to he considered.
Viscount CLEMENTS thought the clause most objection-
able, and he should, therefore, support its expulsion. He
objected to the appeal being sent to the revising barrister, but
should have no objection to its going t' the petty sessions. He
was in hopes still of their being enabled to put off this Bill to
the next session.
Mr. SHARMAN CRAWFORD trusted that the Right
Hon. Baronet would consider his proposition before the report.
If he would do so, he would not press his amendment at this
stage of the Bill.
Sir. R. FERGUSON thought the subject of appeal ought
to be hell considered before it was finally determined upon.
Sir T. FREMANTLE said be would consider the proposi-
tion of the Hon. Member for Rochdale, and trusted that they
would now be allowed to go on with the Bill.
Viscount CLEMENTS thought that the Chairman should
report progress. He had no objection to them taking that
part of the Bill that related to counties that had not been
valued, but he considered it an outrage on those that had.
After some discussion the clause was agreed to.
The remaining clauses were then agreed to, and the report
was ordered to be received on Monday.
The proceedings of the House were then suspended till five
o'clock.

The House resumed at Five o'clock.
Mr. THOMAS DUNCOMBE moved that the Committee
on the Bolton and Leigh, Kenyon and Leigh Junction, North
Nnion, Liverpool and Manchester, and Grand Junction Rail-
way Companies Amalgamation Bill, have leave to report forth-
with.
Mr. M. GIBSON opposed the motion on the ground that
the people of Manchester were opposed to the measure.
Mr. DUNCOMBE said three days would be lost if the
House did not allow the report to be brought up new. The
opposition in Manchester was as feeble as any opposition could
be. and as little deserving the notice of the House.
Lord G. SOMERSET thought: that, under the circum-
stances, the House ought to assent to the motion, on the un-
derstanding that the report would be printed, and in the hands
of Members to-morrow.
Mr. T. DUNCOMBE was understood to agree to the con-
ditions.

Mr. BRIGHT said that the interests of the public ought
to be considered as well as those of the Company.
After a few words from Mr. COBDEN not heard in the
gallery,
The report was brought up and ordered to be received.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL presented i petition in favour of
the Teri Hours' Bill.
MESSAGE FROM THE LORDS.

Several Iiill;;;;;;;ug1;;uiafrom the House of Lords.
NORTH WALSHAM SCHOOL BILL.
This Bill was read a second time.
SMALL DEBTS BILL (No. 3).
The SOLICITOR-GENERAL said he believed that the
Bill he was about to introduce had met with the unanimous
approval of both sides of the H )use. He proposed
that as he had several clauses and amendments to add to it,
that the best course would be now to read the Bill a second
time, and go into Committee pro forma. The clauses and
amendments could then he printed with the • votes of to-night,
and placed in Hon. Members hands. The further considera-
tion of the Bill and any discussion on it could be taken next
Monday in Committee.
Mr. WAKLEY was satisfied with the Bill as it stood. A Bill
was very much needed to correct the evils of the one passed last
year. He thought they ought, before consenting to the course
suggested by the Hon. and Learned Gentleman, to know the
character of the Bill as altered by him.
Sir J. GRAHAM considered the course suggested by his
Noble and Learned Friend the best that could be adopted, as
Hon. Members would be possessed of the printed amendments
before their consideration being entered upon.
The Bill was then read a second time, and committed pro
forma, and the Chairman asked leave to sit again on Monday.
CASE OF ELIZA PRICE.

Mr. T. DUNCOMBE wished to call attention to the
case of Eliza Price, who had been imprisoned for
stealing a halfpenny-worth of coals —( Hear, hear.) She
had been chained to the grate of the back-kitchen of the
house of IPhe officer who had taken her into
custody, and wlien her sister called in a few days after, she
complained of the s;:3te in which she was, and requested that
some soup might be gives her. (The Hon. Member read the
statement made by the sister.) He thought this a case of
gross oppression—a girl confine.l during four days to a back
room, chained to the grate ; and he t,Qttght that it called for
i-quiry.
Sir JAMES GRAHAM said that the vise referred to by
the Hon. Gentleman was perfectly new to him. bet be would
direct a letter to be sent to the Lord Lieutenant of
the county, requiring him to raise the question, and
when he should be in possession of the facts,
he would lay them esa the table of the House.
OT A HEITE.

Captain PECHELL—;sketithe—Right Honourable and
Gallant Baronet opposite (Sir George Cocl.burn) whether
any intelligence had been received at the Admiralty relative to
certain indignities which it was alleged, in a letter published in
a morning newspaper, had been offered to her Majesty's ship
Talbot ? The letter stated, that unless the captain of the
Talbot acknowledged the French protectorate, and saluted
the French flag, she was forbidden any intercourse, except
with the Salamander, station d there also, and French boats
were sent round the Talbot in order to prevent any communi-
cation with the shore. The captain refused to submit, but
sailed away from the place in disgust, leaving the Salamander
at Otaheite.
Sir G. COCKBURN said that if the Gallant Officer had
given notice of his question he should have been able to answer
it more fully. He would, however, state that no reports had
been received at the Admiralty conveying intelligence to the
extent mentioned try the Gallant Officer.
Captain PECHELL gave notice that he would repeat the
question on Monday evening next.
FLOGGING AT WINDSOR.
Mr. WAKLEY said be wished to ask the Right Hon.
Gentleman the Secretary at War a question arising out of a
report that appeared in the Morning Chronicle newspaper on
Monday last, of two men having been fl igged at Windsor.
The men, it would appear, were flogged for refusing to strip
naked is the presence of the other men. He wished to know
If that report were correct.
Mr. SIDNEY HERBERT said the men were examined in
consequence of a disease prevalent among them, and which re-
quired a very close medical examination. Fourteen of the men
examined on the occasion in question were infected with this
disease. The punishment was inflicted in consequence of their
refusing to march to tke black-hole. and to obey the commands
of the commanding officer who ordered them there. He need
not tell the House that it was essentially necessary that the
eomnaands of the officers should be implicitly obeyed. The
commanding officer stated to the men that they had committed
a mos' serious offence and commanded them to be confined for
tarty-eight hours, and when the order was given the men made
no remonstrance, but shortly afterwards the sergeant returned
and stated that they refused to march to the black-hole. The
commanding officer then sent for the men and told them that

they were guilty of a great military crime. The sergeant then
gave the men the word a second time, when the men again re•
fused to march. The officer himself repeated the word
two or three times, and they continued their refusal
to march. He ordered them back to the guard-room and
again remonstrated with them, but they still persisted in their
refusal. The officer having heard the statement of the surgeon,
and the feeling which was displayed toward his orders, then
almost: immediately convened a court-martial, which awarded
the punishment. He had stated these circumstances, because
Ise wished that there should be no false impression with regard
to the case.
Mr. WILLIAMS said that the Right Hon. Gentleman had
not answered the most important part of the question—namely,
whether it was usual that the soldiers should be inspected in
each other's presence in such numbers.
Mr. S. HERBER r said that it was customary in the army
that
.t there shoz!ld be a strict examination before the surgeon,
and
customary also cus;oary that they should be ordered to bathe
together. The inspee`YM generally took place in the room of
the men in the morning.
Mr. WA KLEY
common
an examination
that there wait nothing more re-
pulsive to the
afeeling mealiood than that soldiers
should undergo
pre-
tence of a larire company stark neked, in the pre-
soldiers. He kne a not what were
the arrangements in the army, he thought that the effect
would he very dangerous. were seventy soldiers at pre-
sent confined in one of the metropolitan gaols inconsequence of
practice which was at present
misconduct, and he thought the
resorted to, tended to destroy the eeling which should exist in
the army.
I
RECOMPENCE FOR SERVICES IN CHINA.
Captain BERKELEY rose to bring forward theH motion
which he had given notice for a Committee of the whole gon of
to consider the propriety of an address to her Majesty,
humbly requesting that she would be graciously pleased
to grant a pecuniary recompence to the officers, sea_
men, soldiers, and marines, engaged in the operations
against the Chinese Empire, in the years 1840, 1841, and 1812,
The Hon. Member then called the attention of the House to a
memorial presented to the House by Mr. Gordon Bremer,
showing the amount of money that had been taken during the
war ii China, and contending that the grounds laid in the
memorial were sufficient to show that the memoriali.t was en-
titled to prize money. He next referred to what he called the
authority of the "greatest warrior of the age," to show that
the actions that had taken place in China were in fact a war.
The Noble Lord said that the soldiers, although possessed of

r, lay.) 1
Visneunt CLEM ENiS objected to %'i., i. 1% I%ro. e ..;ing ler-i
,r : there were ce:l , ,aree I% isla Member i % t+%,, tleu,e, and
. aio re tiiau sixteen Members aitoge% her. He objected to
the principle of the Bill from the commencement to its ter-
minatien. The Noble Lord then moved that the House be
eounted, and added that he would take every means in his power
to defeat the Bill.
Mr. GREENE, the Chairman of the Committee, then
counted the House, and there being only twelve Members
present, he quitted the chair, and
The 'PICAKIA having entered the House.
Mr. GREENE reported that he had counted it, and there
were only twelve Members pre.stat.
Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, and af% er an in-
terval of about a quarter of an hour, sufficient Members were
found to constitute a House. Upon the question that clause 5
stand part of the Bill,
Lord CL ENI ',NTS objected to the motion, and said he would
divide the House upon it.
S• rangers were again ordered to with& aw, but no division
took place, in consequence of the Noblo Lord (Clements) not
being able to find a second tel:er. The clause was then agreed to.
On our entering the House we found
Sir T. FREMANTLE requesting the Nob'e Lord to allow
the Bill to proceed, as it was really a measure ca'culated to do
much good in Ireland, and it was necessary it should be carried
during the present session. He did not think that the Noble
Lord had fairly considered the provisions of the Bill.
Sir R. FERGUSON trusted that the Right Honourable
Gentleman the Secretary for Ireland would allow this Bill to
be an experiment in those counties where no valuation had as
yet taken place.
Viscount CLEMENTS protested against imposing upon the
Lord-Lieutenant duties which could he performed by grand
juries. He certainly should do all he could to defeat the Bill.
Clauses up to 14 were agreed to, with a few verbal amend-
ments.