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the duties of this Gentleman were now performed
by the Engineers of the Ordnance Department,
that measures were taken for the Nrspectiye abo-
lition of the office, and that Colonel Paisley, of
Chatham, was employed in drawing up a code for
the regulation and instruction of young Officers in
the business of a civil engineer. —ln his opinion, it
was a gross exaggeration to say that absence was a
sufficient reason in itself to do a .vay with'an office.
Sir M. W. RIDLEY thought that this propo-
sition was not a question of absence or not, but
whether an office which might have been of service
in tvar, was still necessary in the time of peace—or,
in other word,:, was there now any reason why the
office should be continued ? In his opinion, nothing
had been shewn in favour of that continuation, and
he should therefore vote against it.
Mr. PEEL observed, that he who had moved
for the appointmentof the Finance Committee would
be the lust person to do any thing to deteriorate
from its utility. A reduction of 9,0001. had already
taken place, and he would ask whether any bettt;r
testimony could be given of the feeling of the Go-
vernment ? With respect to that particular vote, -
he entreated the House to consider the situation in
which those would be placed who had done more
for the reduction in that department than any of their
predecessors. Through the exertions of the Noble
Duke at the head of the Government, and his Right
Hon. Friend, a reduction to the amount of 435,000/.
had taken place between 1820 and 1828. And how
was that reduction made ? By forbearance from the
exercise of patronage.—(Hear, hear.)—His Right
Hon Friend, believing the office of Lieutenant-Ge-
neral 'calculated to be of use to the country, had felt
it it to be his duty to support the continuation of
that office, and though he (Mr. Peel) had every wish
to skew all possible respect to the recommendations
of the Finance Committee, he yet felt bound to sup-
port the opinion of his Right Hou. Friend.
Mr. BROUGHAM' though he did not regard the
present as a question iu itself of very overwhelm-
ing importance, yet considered it of sufficient im-
portance to call upon the country to support the re-
commendations of the Finance Committee.—(Hear,
hear.) And this question led him to say a word as
to-what had been stated by the lion. Member for
Durham (Sir 11. Hardinge). That Right Hon.
Gentleman had contended, that absence did not re-
quire the forfeiture of office.—( Hear, hear.) He
(Mr. Brougham) would not say that it did ; but the
real question was, whether the office was necessary
or not To prove that it was not necessary, the
most important evidence had been adduced, and they
had been told that the Lieutenant-General was ab-
sent one year and three months at a time, and the
Master-General one year at a time. He never would
allow it to be said, without raising his voice in op-
position to it, that the smallness of any retrenchment
was any argument against the propriety of it, and
whether he had to vote on the sum of 1,5001. or of
250/., he should equally support the spirit of retrench-
ment in both cases. On these grounds he should never
give a vote more cordially or heartily than the one he
was about to give in favour of the Amendment.
After a few words from Mr. PEEL,
The House divided, and the numbers were—
For the A:nentiment 95
Against it 204
Majority lO9
Mr. Humg said, that as the members of the
Finance Committee had been in attendance for
twelve hours, and as they naturally felt that they
ought to attend to each item of the Estimates, he
thought it but fair, after the vote had been come to,
that the Chairman should report progress, and ask
leave to sit again.
Sir H. HARDINGE thought, that as the Session
was so very fur advanced, it was quite necessary that
the Estimates should be gone through as speedily as
possible.
Mr. MAMERLN agreed with Mr. Hume.
Mr. HUME would not object to go on, if the
Members were disposed to hear him.
Sir H. IIARDINGE would postpone the items
to which the Hon. Member objected, if he would
point them out, and allow the Committee to go on
with the rest of the items.
Mr. HUME, however, persisted in his Motion,
and strangers were ordered to withdraw, when there
appeared for Mr. Home's 41, against it, 172 ; ma.
jority against the Motion, 131.
On entetitag the gallery, we found the Chairman
of the Committee patting the Question on the
original Resolution; on wb;cli the Committee again
divided, when there appeared for the Resolution,
163, against it, 43 ; majority in favour of the Aeso-
.

On re•entering the gallery we found Mr.
BROUGHAM on his legs, exculpating Mr. Flume
from the charge of being moved by factious motives.
General GASCOYNE said, the Hon. Members
opposite complained of clamour, but it appeared ,o
him that the Gentlemen on the other Ride had been
equally clamorous,,--(A laugh.)
Mr. BROUGHAM said, it was very true that
there bad been clamour on Its side of the House,
but it was when the Gallant General was sitting
there for the Division,—(A laugh.)
After a few words from Mr. HUMr., the ,question
foe reporting progress was agretia to, wjthout a di,
vision ; the House resumed, and the Chairman re.
ported progivis, and obtained leave to s;t again of
Monday next.
CORPORATE FUNDS' BILL.

Mr. OTWAY CAVE wing moved that the
Report of the Corporate Funds' 13W be brought up,
after a short discus:don, the following 41v4ion took

place :
For the Motion . 28
Against it 27
Majority
On the Motion fur agreeing to the Amendments,
a further discussion ,arose. Eventually, the further
consideration ofthe Motion was postponed to Tuesday.
NEW SOUTH WALES.
The New South Wales' Bil,l was read a third time
and passed.
On the motion for the third rending of the Lon-
gitude Acts' Repeal Bill,
Mr. D. GILBERT said, that he I,vislied to inform I
the public, through the medium of that House, that
li
he objected to the dissolution of the Board of Lon-
gitude, and that tits Marti Was ,tfisf,olved solely on
the grounds of economy.
After a few words from Mr. IV otiowati #ll4
Mr. J. W. CROKER, the Bill was read a second time,
and ordered to be committed on Tuesday next.
CINQUE PORTS.
Dr. PHILIJMORE brought in a Bill to enable
the Deputy Warden of the Cinque Ports, and Lieu-
tenant of Dover Castle, to apt for the Lord Warden
of the Cinque Ports and Constable of Dover Castle
during his illness.—lt was read a second tirne.
Adjourned at a Quarter past Two o'Clock, fig
Monday next.

COMMITTAL OF CAPT. BTPYART, LATE
or 'env Many Hussxr,j,.--This wretched mix, whose
hands are iniffue4 with titie blood of so many human be-
ings, arrived in this city yesterday, in a .chaise, from.
Skibbereen, where he bad been ;0 Auskodsr t)r some days,
and was immediately committed to the aounty g. 44, under
a county Magistrate's warrant. He is a mama of axtudl
stature, and rather thin and pale in the face, with a
sharp quick eye. As far as we can learn, the man ap-
pears iu a sane and tranquil state of mind, and has spoken
of the tragedy in which lie was the principal, with ap-
parent indiffei:ei;is,,e. Some of his observations on this head
have been communicated to us, but for obvious reasons
we forbear from giving then. patheity. He has ex-
pressed great solicitude about his wife, whoie situation,
shire the lamentable intelligence reached her, has been
most pree,a,:iogs. She was far advanced in a state of
pregnancy, and within the last few days we understand she
Wits visited, with preuratute accjiiiphenzent, and was deli-'
versa of a dead ;child ! SyzwartiT !tea elso written some
letters, one
,i,n particular to the owners, revertinz to his;
situation, and tetpiring some necessaries for his yersonal
conii3Orts while in prison. The situation of those families;
into whose recesses he carried death and misery, is truly
deplorable. The mother of young Ap..,sur.p4AN is incon-
solable, and it is thought will scarcely survive the shock ;
and the family and friends of Captain RAYNES, who wa:
generally respected acd esteemed, are equally afflicted. A
subscription has been opened for the families of some
cif
the sufferers.-- Cork Constitutiun,