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ROMAN CATIIOI_,IC.

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Tile Qn‘mtion, orisl:11; front the, Claims of the
PAPISTS to a fullparticipation Of political power
With those beratcl;l,l: to the E,latAisbi..(l
is of the utmost importance, and, theiclote,
the most deliberate- investigation, the
eollseptences of 4trontink that participation itory
oltiatately prove the total •lestritc,tion of the con-
stitution:and revive all the horrors of. a 'Povistt
instead of a PIIOTESTANT ASCIeNDANCY, t has,
therefore, been strongly recommended to- us, by
the_friends.of our present I..ippy 'Establishment in
Church 311(1State, to itivrt in our Piper wlrttCver
titity tend ,tp the elm.;:,.!3tiott of the sn,hjyct. In
puisuance 01 this--ad vice, tee insert the f,ilto wing ar-
Ctle itom TheraiTespolidetit, a Dirblin Nevespaper
, .
to which vet have oeforeneen indebtot for several
valnaide arikles. The aFtielelv!nick we now sub-
mit to our Readers appeared:ill t!le above-men-
tioned Paper in consequence of ow; revival of the
last Speech of Mr. PtTr, on the subject on the
13t1r Mly, 1805, and the tinfortattatir difference
whicli'll3s arisen between Alt'. CANING and- the
PITT CLUB or London:—

" The principles of .11r. Pitt have become con.
secrated, by events wbieli have, estithlished their.
wisdom, into settled principles of nal ional policy ;
rind , hue (vim have succeeded to bis POlitictd.cat es.
and Inboors'; have Ilnifnimly held his es:ample In
vicar, and shaped tittir conrie ACconibigiv,--,
NV I. ether the public interests abroad were to be
upheld against foreign ambition, or the Civil
Cortstit ill ion at bottle protected tinin licentious in-
roatis,:the piinciples of Mr. Pitt constituted the
polar star; 'by which the SC:ift:Spiell of the 'Liter!
Kingdom have steered the vessel of State; and
whether the gust or the hott:cane inciiattal. the
state of thiwts, for we Eve ill times (It di,..,(piet,
those principles being alWays asectidaatt, thy
l'Oittitry has phisSeil thiough lire cOsirte Of pei its,
glory—Ler war of strugglcand,agony, for a peace
iiiilex,:hringed her day of misfortune for 'an age of
of coi,ciiicst and retitiwo.
" tit the Itonian Catholic, as in every other;
(petition of an extraordinary and involved.trature,
the principles of Mr. Pitt . were looked fur, to
guide she opinions -anti principles of otbers.,"4o
direct them in the puhli.- policy most expedient ,
and to enlighten their lodgments upon a decision
"t sodh iwt4gose ininor!ance 4.t aria cionsm.b,,,,
(Fiestiffiv, hits been made a matter tats doubt ny
Mr. Canning, one. of those wh' poless to hold
them in religious veneration :—we .alludc-to•this
Gentleman's reinsal feivecept of-t be invitation of
the,Pitt. Club, to attetid their annual dinner, t-f
the toast .of ""This:Pottesfant Ascendancy " was
to,, he given arnong ihy;sentiments destined to
be. celebrated. 'bite niatter is' ton treble to need
troy pat acillar expoiitiott here--a stomata ry ad vet -
tette& kill suffice,' 111e4Catining nointaitied, that
the ptiticiple involecrl'in the toast of " The Pro•
test ant A scendaney," wanted the sanction of 'Air.
Pitt—;..and he intimated his sense of on unworthy
inconsfsfenny, in tire friends of the Catholic
Claims supporting a Piotistant I.4seendwierin the
Shoe ; upon both which grounds,- he declined
to. dine 'where the obnoxious ,t6ast wasity he
given. . . . .
, .
'' A very slight eonsideration of. the Speech of
Mr. Pitt on the occasion before stated, will be ,
enough to convineerany man, that Mr.CAtining's '
`judgment, in this .partiettlitr' instance, has tint
been distinguished for its 11Stla accuracy and soli-
ditv. It is, in fact, openly and distinetly,avowed
by Mr. Pitt, and Most strenuously insisted 'upon,
that the Claims of the Catholics jO not rest neon
any right whatever—indeed, there is 'nothing
which that great ;State: buts Anurenrililigeritly ht.
boned, that: to intpress upon the mind of the na-
tion, his unconquerable hostility to the debating
of the CitlinlicQuesr.ion, upfm the ground of any
supposed right, whieb the Catholicsposscssed to
political power, or to any relaxation's:l: the exist-
ing haws whielr affect them.—Thia light to power,
fundamentally, being disavowed arid contested by
Mr. Pitt, there:were no otber grottnds opitn whit).
iiit.Catiiolie Claims could look tor a sitt-cessfid re,
' reption from-Parliament,. save rite sense of Par-
-1 fitment—save what the justice and the policy of
the Legistaturet,a—theonly arbitiating qualities he-
tavern those who were seeking to obtain rower,
Awl those to whom it was cotupetent to concede
it—may avve to concede. The degree of cots.
I CeSS.IO4I, if . any, is yet a matter in the womb of
time—but to assoine, tfiitt policy and justice must
1 eitioguidt the l'iotestant Ascendancy its the
State—and-there is no oti:ee Ascendancy inteili
Bible or desirable---is a petal() principii, of a very
citiaordinary nature, indeed.. It is impossible to
!appose, with the eohthr of reason, that Mr. P;tt
was an enemy 10- Protestant Ascendancy, in the
true scathe of it-16r he denied, in (inane,. 'the
only principle, the principles of Catholic right,
which was incompatible with this Ascendancy.
~,
Mr. Canning. in his subsequent correspon-
dence•with Mr. Gifford, -is anxious to contend,
with an infetence which has been drawn (tom his
reasnas.for not dining with the Pitt Club, on ac
cotnit of " The Protestant Ascendancy" being one
of the, toasts to be celebrated. %Dot the. Pro,
teStatiti, of this country, at least, do not eollaticc
that Mr. Canning need Itayss afflicted himself n aria
SO Mlle) ifiltiety*-Outty iver situated t lilt those
who contended to t rptalified disembarrassment
of the Catholics from the existing teStriciierns,
were. all 'clunks to the Protestant? Asenttader

btu', in getteial, they It-tve thought, th.tt
Cabning's Obj.eetioti in the iiiopoSeil toAst, inch
eiceit, 011 liii part, 8 f:i,.avotval of ttte Pi oiettiiiit
Aicenthiney, offelisivt and ypr ih-

r:t;~lt'.

lir lie Lav,ltt6reCtied '1.1) rtyloVin; 1!:ig

inipre3sion, fw persisiog in his reltis..ll to dint:
with the Pitt Club, on account txprebsly of the
toast=—s,'" 'lite Protestant-Ascendancy," is
tion; attil one which tlte.Protesto , nti Irviatii
can have no ,gtat. in deciding.

" If the Protestant Ascendancy be A ettal'prin.
.iciple of the Constitution—nod t est it is, no man
can deny—there calf he no great 'zeal sliewil 115
favour of It, by refusing to dine where it is to be
celebrated in,a toast. Thereis no strong ifitiica.".
:ot. 'respect for it—to tisk, whether it is tit be
celtzbrated iu this way—to set k for that, andj'hat
tlnlyy isurOng :ordinary toastrar public (Howl--
iful to denounce it distinctly tool expressly, and
to reject tff, tillo.wshil which iciiitit's and loves
such ti Prhri!lple. as the tolvit teas meant to' cbatey.
If *this prineipla.Were approved of—if it were
every way. such as a man's rational ptrtittlities
would Ititid'him to approve, it suffered-no degra-
dation in being upheld at a meeting eoniposefl of
such ,persons as were assembled at the Pitt Club ;
and even though it were ininecessaty to assert a prin.
whiCh, while the Civil Constitution Of 'the
country lasts, cannot be disputed—yet, it is very
excusable, because it is very natural, for men, to
avow' attachment to favOurite principles, at a time
when they conceive the object of their predilec-
tions is expo.ed to change, and when tiwy See
those, whom they thought ,egret, with
tlteili-
selres,, embrace daferenr sentiments and davit:la
notions, upon things; conceived, by themselves
and their forefathers, *to be fin:ll and established.
After all, it can hardly be thought an titeessive
act of intemperance' for a Society i f Protestants
to be . guilty, of .toasting the Aseentlaney—t he
avowed and positive ascendancy—of their civil
and religious ikrinciples in the Conitittitiooi:
any time—but more espeei.thy at a Anne wiien-so
taany,speeches were making; and when so many
Tracts. and ('crop wets hud been -scattered a nioi,
the Pub!ie, very little flattering to Pt ottstant lens
thnent 6, or Pcutestant doctrines, to say the %Ilk
least of them.

" The Protestants are in the habit of thinkirigi'
that the.„Catholic Claims Culls only 'Lire or tlYe
other Of ton fontidations—the gronod of riolri
f•
or the. grace tit moment, fi;on,',e,l upon
cal tvisdotn. A37'10 the further, it is not worth
dispotiog abootat etents, Mr. I itt WaS the
to the 11711 intended some dine ago for the relict, if
Cn,thidic, were as InaCh alt rathalt'e with the
tnilleipte rut ri hi, us the Protest ant Aioewhiicy
can he. Rot, If the clue ground of the. 0.44—
an appeal to what'the o.i.stiOnt of P.riiament /nay'
think meet, unit wise—he -considered,
presume to take for granted,- that Parliament most
annihilate the Pt otestant Asetnd;inry in the S;iit
—that they most concede., it they cotic,th.,
;n vritdittite every principle of thu
Constitution, which is in conflict With ,Cathdlic:
power,--aod leave ail power open to whatever
party may be inelined to scramble for it—for it
h4tlly-be. maintained, t hat' a Concesjon to the
Catholics, no matter ai to the principle upoo
which it may he granl-ed, is to pot a stop, ar
once, find for ever; to the rivalry of retigiQu,
Co the competition of part eV, If any 'man tiro''
it must . have such a consetirience, that Man is is
fool: No rational creature vvill go all this length,
although a few Protestsnts; in the di/quiets of the
Gironde, in lirance, good-hioncturedlydischarg'eti
the duties of sithaltern-Stations under the GOvern-
ment, and Vvidiout itifence to their Cat holiecouti-
trymen, who fined uli the great stations in the
State vOr without endangering the infleinee'of
the of Rome-over the nutionill tstabli3hed..
•

•
" The Protestants, for the most part, serm
he of opinion, that. thirogh- Nir. Vitt had neNec
spohen upon the Catholic atestiott, there was u/3
great ittermisteney, sueit hs should ularm a man
of Mr, CalltiiitgYS powers of reason„ iu foastit%
I.ll'nreSt.lit ARCelttlarly ill the Stott: —so long,„ es-
ttl the Monarch nf the United Ningtforn
it; obliged by the Lice of the Lahti to rokss the
Vrotestant rOlgion, and so long as
.the estald:sited
Church futnts an essential part of the coosrlio..
Oen. They do not conceive that a very cogent
, bitt
ati.se or the real of itleottsihtettey CSlStcti
that a Klan may, %Colt all prop:le:y, be present
whett tbe Prottstnot Aicendaocy 104 st ed
even though he Shor,ld desire to see lbe IWOIIII
illVeSteli With evely ttiog which the li-
berality of the Legitieture eould bestotr, except
useendaticy."

Iltott TazAsi,N,—Ort ‘Vettliestltiy evening Mr.
Keeneo the tailior, who bits hein conftted the
"l'ot%er some time oit a cloArge of 1110 rreau)l),
was liberated. A bill 0:- indictment for high trea•
styti. ‘‘' prefet rod attainst hitt, at tilt same time us
those ttgtiinit \Vatsott, Proton., Alia
Hooper, but the Grand 'Loy thren- out the bill.
His disehavie Was sktted by 0 i'ii%y Comiseilortt.

PODFSTRIANISM.--EittOur )tut tue
,rent bitiglic of tile Itoprec,qletaCtl ttl•.:( he ions Lo
Fitch/ performed, :1! it
triectil of Baker's, that he perl,,rots rt,:::Ps
slieceisive boors. Eat of) iotends to eorirricticz
this midertaking five o'clock nest Sunday ofto-
- «n ttte same ground be has so Ito.cly yer.
formed the 2000 :lolltsq. tanthert4s arc to he
pLatco(talotig the g wand at night, old Alt touritt
at Cala& Cid uf the course.

PARLIAMENT.

nOUSE OF LORDS, THURSDAY, JUNE 19.

Sir 1, GrahaM, and other Members from the,
Connuoits, brought np a number of Bills, amongst.
which was the Clerk of the Peace Fees Bill.
Earl Gttc.i. presented II petition from the Ma
nat.ters of the Saving Bank in.the City of Bristol,
against a clause in the SavingS Banks Bill, allow-
ing panpers to receive parochial relief, whilst
they have funds in a Saving Bank.
Lord IlKossnaLa suppotted the object of the
petition; and thought the more these institutions
weie left to 'themselves the better.
Earl.SPENcca 'expressed his concurrence in the
opioion of the Noble and Learned Lord who had
just sat clown, and thought the acceptance of the
provisions of the Bill ought to be left optional
with Savings Banks Institutions.
The LORD GIiIktiCKLLOR said, as the result of
his professional experience, it appeared to him of
great impottance not to impose the provisions of
this Bill Upon any Institutions not disposed to act
.
under them.
After a few words front Lord REDESDALE, the
petition was ordered to lie on the table.

stsPENsioN,ov Tim I:IABF.AS CORPUS ACT.
Lord SIDMOUTH moved the Order of the Day
for the third reading of the Habeas Coypus Sus-
i)e.siort Bill.
:".•PENcnit tokeil, what 'was the proposed
duration of this Bill ?, _ _

Lord SIDMOUTH replied, until six weeks after
the next :meeting of Parliament.
The Duke of BEDFORD rose, observing that he
felt it his dilly to oppose this measure, which he
cnesidered as most injurious to the best interests
of the. country. He might have contented hint-
self with giving a silent vote against it, but lie
could not reconcile it to his sense Of 'public duty,
now that the Bill had arrived at its last stage, nut
to deliver his solemn protest against it. lie trusted
their Lordships would fuirly and dispassionately
consider the case. The Committee of Secrecy,
acting in the nature of a Greed Jury, had, front
whatever evidence was laid before them, drawn a
bill of indictment against the whole people of Eng-
land, and it was for their Lordships (though un-
fortunately without evidence) to try the case, and
pronounce a verdict of condemnation or acquittal.
He was afraid he could not anticipate a verdict of
acquittal, but he must say there was no evidence
to support a verdict of condemnation. Where
was the danger ? we Were now in a period of pro-
found peace, without any foreign eeemy to con•
teed with, without any circumstances existing
arising in the slightest degree front external danger;
what was there then to fear Was it from a few
discontented individuals, driven to despair by priva-
tion and distress ; was it for this, that the liberties
of the whole people of England were to be se,-
vended 1 Ir was true he was not without fears,
but he feared the power of the Crown, and not
the Liberty' of the People and the snore particu-
larly, because of date years measures for increasing
the power of the Crown had beets agreed to with-
tett beeitatiori, whilst those which tended to in-
crease the privileges of the people had uuifirraily
, .
%peeing; spies and Ittformere, he could not (whilst
lie ellowed the catulour of the Commiter) but
express his astonishment that the Committee
should lttive given so much credit to statements
thus ettpportell, When he bad the honour of
fillieg the office of Chief Governor of Ireland, the
()tree of Chiet Secietary was beset by Spies and
informers, who would haVe persuaded ;aim that
lieland was almost in state of rebellion ;'and had
lie listened to these tales he might have adopted
titeaseres which would have deluged half Ireland
with blood. But by pursuing a conduct firm,
moderiee, and temperate, he put down the ten•
deucy to outrage, which had displayed itself, and
delivered over Ireland.to his successor in the Go-
vernment in a perfect state of tranquillity. By is.
teniog
,to Spies and Informers, the Government
here woold.he led en to measures totally dettiLlC.
tiv,e of the liberties of the people. It was utterly
impossible that the Constitution could stand, if
the Govern:nerd were to be cart led on upon such
a system, end it teas with the deepest regret and
the greatest alarm that lie heard the employment
of rides avowed end justified by his Majesty's Mi-
atistets. If this were to be the system, the Noble
Secretary of State' had better go over to Paris and
tike lehisens from M. de Coxes, or some other ce-
lele area superintendent el Police. Such a system
of 'eseenere (he used the Preach word, because,
aud tic rejoiced at it, there was no adequate word
in the English language to express the same
meening) was utterly inconsistent with the free
Constitution of Britain, wholly inconsistent with
the liberties of the people. No argument hail
been urged in favour of this measure (excepting
the ground of humanity stated by a Noble !dike)
site that of necessity, which hail been in all ages
the tyrant's' plea. Necessity had invariably been
urged by Buonaparte us au excuse for every mea-
sure of tyranny tie had imposed upon the people.
The Seine argument hail been used for the same
purpoie by the Gavel ument that preceded him,
the Directory, and in. the same way by the power
immediately preceding that by the tyrant Robe-
spierre, when it was urged at the bar of the
Convention that the law ought to be sus-
pended in -order : to save the country. IVith
regard to one part of the Report of the
Committee, that respecting blasphemous pub-
lications, he could assure the House that there
was no greater, enemy than himself to such Mod
of publications, but he must remind the Noble Se-
cretary of State, that at all periods of political
agitation there had been parodies circulated of
peels of the Church Service, which, though they I
could not be defended, they yet proved that this
offence was not now committed for the first time,
and, therefore, that they ought not to be ticsig-
;wed lu the terms in which they were. One cit.-
etttostonce connected with one of these productions
he felt it his duty to state—it was a parody upon
the Creed, which had been sent front Norwich to
the Secretary of State's °dee. It was mitten 24
years ago by a persen then a Jacobin and a le-
veller, but who had since beeome a supporter of
the Government, and who bad this parody, ,

ton formerly by Mcraeif, reprioted at an -obscure •
Nlinisterial bookseller's at Norwich, and then
sent it to the Secretary of State's Offiee, as a
pool of the seditious and blasphemous spirit.. that
prevailed at Norwich. This, statement he had
from authority which he believed- could not -be.
questioned. Upon the whole view of the ques-
tion, though yielding to no man in loyalty to his
Sovereign, or respect for the Constitution, he
slid not think that any ground was laid for the
present measure, or .that any necessity was proved
to exist for it by any evidence that was worthy of
attention, and therefore he-felt it his duty to vote
against the Bill.,
The Earl of WasTmoner.min said he bad been
in hopes that it would not have been necessary to
repeat what had been so eloquently said on a
former occasion in support of this measure. it
was a measure to the adoption of which within
the last 100 years, nay, within the last 30 years,
was owing the safety of the Constitution, and
the comparatively happy situation Of the country
at the present moment. It was astonishing how
different the sante argttment addressed itself to
different minds. It was objected that this mea-
sore was proposed to be adopted during the recess
of Parliament, a time at which he Plm& the
Executive ought to be entrusted with it above all
others, because an appeal could not, on an mei.,
gency,be made to Parliament. He also differed as to
the argoment, that it might not to be resorted to in
time of peace, because it should be recollected,
that then the military force of the country. was
materially lessened from what was tit-the service
of Government in a time of war. A great , deal
had also been said as to the employment of spies,
but it appeared to hint so' be an argument in fa-
vour of the fill, that men going about in that
character could at once be admitted into Snviettes
of disaffected persons, and placed at their head.
Souse Noble Lords bad, in the course of the de-
hates on this Bill, just hinted that it might be
better to repeal the Bill fur punishing the seduc-
tion of soldiers.
The Earl of DONOUGUIMORE here rose to order.
He thought the Niihle Earl had better confine
himself more closely to the question before their
Lordships.
The Earl of WESTMORLAND repeated, he was
Sorry to weaken the folCe of whist had been so
much better said by his Noble Friends ; hut he
thought himself called upon to assert his movie-
thou of the necessity of the measure, and to caution
their Lordships against Newspaper accounts,
though they were repeated to the House by the
Noble Dake opposite.
The Duke of BEDFORD denied having taken the
rirru►mstance he had stained respecting the Nottin-
gham parody from newspaper authority. He hail
it firms an authority he respected, and he could not
doubt the filet.
Viscount Stomntrru'rose, and said, that he bad
never heard of the circumstance until he had heard
it from the Noble Duke that day.—(Hear!)
The Earl of DONOUGHMORE said, he should not
attempt to' follow the Noble Earl who had spoken
last through,alt his wanderings from the question,
but lie had talked of the prosperity of the coun-
try at a time when the people' wanted employ-
ment, and wanted bread ; and he thought such
err—tiortiose
Earl was displeased with the taunts that had been
levelled at spies and informers, upiin which int).
ject, be must say, he entertained great per-
sonal respect for some of his Majesty's Ministers,
brit he could not help thinking less well of them
for what had bitterly occurred. Nothing bad
been said in answer to the able speech of the
Noble Duke (Bedford). The circumstances under
which their Lordships Were edicd upon to consent
to the measure before them made it imPerative
on every Member to deliver his sentiments and
discharge his conscience respecting it.: Ministers
had bad this extramdinary power in their hands
for some time, and with all their knowledge of evl:
deuce of plots, they bud placed their character,theie
motives, wissimn, and discretion, on one Solemn
case, in a manner most satisfactory to British
feelings, in a trial by a British-Jury; and what was
the result ? why a failure in the first trial so eons-
plete, that the Crown Lawyers had given tip the
prosecutions against the other three prisoners. if
time Committees of the two Houses had been chosen
indiscriminately,'and had recommended the Sus-
pension of the Habeas Corpus, there would he a
good deal of. weight in such a recommendation ;
but independent of that not being the case,
the Reports themselves afforded their Lordships
means of judging of the real nature of she alarm,
and of fairly interring, that there was nothing in
the situation of the country which required the
resort to so desperate and so dangerous is measure.
He expected, that instead of calling for a renewal
of the suspension of the Habeas Corpus, Ministers
would have come down to the House to thank
their Lordships for the high trust which they re.-
posed in them for three months. His Lordship
here commented further On the Report, and-con.
tended that the treasonable plot which it in pined
was utterly puerile, and that its conclusions rested
on the most fallacious premises. •
Earl of LltdaRICK said, be would not travel
over the ground of the Noble Earl, yet be con.
ceived that it was but justice to an unfortunate
individual (Reynolds) to rescue him from the
cloud that hung over him. That individual had
rendered Most important services to the conntry,
and if be bad obtained a pension, it was well de-
served,
for saving a large portion of the empire.
He had eertaiuly held high situations among the
rebels,- by which he discovered that their objects
were revolution and separation front this country,
upon which he started from them. Unfortunately,
there were always men adroit enough to set
others on, while they themielves kept aloof front
the scene, and latighed in their sleeves. The fact
was, that without-the prospect of reward, he;, ip
the first instance, laid open that bloody couso.,
racy, which-, be trusted, wonid never be acted
here. Was there no door to be left open for VP!
pentance The Post-Master of Ireland sites so
sensible of these services that he appointed hint to
be inspector of the raekagis. This person.might
also have been eppoitited tor the selection of Jos
roll; but if. ell. Jurors did their duty, it would
turn matters to_ a different account. if they dis-
cOuraged till repentance itt ilsise who hid stepped

iotti tile most mischievous consequences

must ensue.
The Earl of Essex said, that nothing Was so
much to he deprecated as the *mem of espionage
which had beets practised by Reynolds, Castles,
and Oliver,
.who were employed to seduce the
most wretched of men, the very scam of the earth.
In the case of 1794, they were found men of abi-
lity, such as a Horne Tooke, and a Thelwall, but,
.
in the present, case, all Wm as ean and IoW. He,
was afraid that there must be spies irfall Govern-
Menti ; but the present mode of espionage was
utterly to :be deprecated. He, for one, most
heartily concurred in opposing the measure.
The Earl'of LtateatCK explained.
Marquis CAMDEN said, that as he understood
some allusions bad been made to the period when
he had the honour to bold the Government of Ire-
land, he thought it his duty to come forward Rod
state the facts relating to Mr. Reynolds. The truth
was, that Reynolds repented of the part be had first
take 6, made a full discoveryof what he knew, and
gave his testimony in such a manner as entirely to
satisfy the public Courts. He must confess that
he was surprised to hear such a Hint) coupled with
Castles, as neither of themgrad arty thing to do
with the question. He should, therefore', giVehis
hearty assent to the measure, n Welt he regarded
as one of precaution, and not of severity.
Earl DoNouGustorts explained.
Lord SIDMOUTH said, that Castles had not of-
fered hiinselt to Government till five weeks after
the 2d of
December
pro-
mite of remunerationh:4 heldnnl n thenreviettoin no
e.‘PoVritl;
respect ruOlirer, he Was employed by Government
to Avert dangers of the most serious kind. He
had reason Ro believe that the Leeds report was at
least sands exaggerated, anti all belted to implore
of their Lotils!,ips was to suspend their judgment
till other and °titer ioformation on these Subject-3,
which would speedily be had; was submitted to
them.
Lord Si. Jon N deprecated the turn which the
question had taken. It had no real reference to
such persons as Castles and Oliver. The question
was, whether there existed sutlieient grounds ter
suspend the Constitution. He had hoped; after the
deltaic of the other night, end alter the strorg ex-
pt estaion of poplar opinion, that some hesitation
would hare been felt in proceeding to such a step.
After the result of the late trials, it was a situate to
proceed.' The greater part of 'he evidence was
supplied by persons who had laboured to entrap
the indivichials whom they accused. Instead of ac-
knowledging the errors into which they bad been
led, however, the Administration went on, and
gave a deadly blow to the Constitution. What
were the powers they thus called on Parliament to
give them ? They were unbounded in power,
and unlimited in duration. They extended
Six weeks beyond the nutting of Parliament.
Now, who had the ordering of that T4—Certainly
the Ministers, nobody but the Ministers.--(Hear,
hear ll—The Constitution would remain in a state
of eclipse just as long as the Administration
0)04M-waiter to keep it so. 'lt Was as clear as
the sun ttt noon day, tliat'it on the evidence of spies
the-Constitution was to he suspended, there was
no longer a Constitution left. If this policy
were to be pursued, they had much better fol-
low the example of Denmark, and surrender• up
their LiAlittieet ft tiilmeetilto4lift,Weintar;iiil
• that which originally led to the suspension of the
Habeas Corpus Act for the Protection of the Pro-
testant Succession. The causes of our present
distress were owing to the misconduct of Mini-
, seers, and above all to the Noble LOrd'at the bead
of the Home Department. They were not owing
to a transition from peace to war, but its the waist
of interchanges,. of 'commercial regulations found-
ed on reciprocal-wants. Bill if the country had
mischievous men to deal with, they Ought to have
followed the example of Sir It. 'Walpole in 1722,
and assembled the Parliament.; whereas the pre
sent Administration flung petitions in the corner
of their offices, and defied the feelings of the fen.
The scoffs of sedition should not induce
them to profane the holy of= holies in the political
fabric, and•his affection and duty to the Constitu-
tion would compel him to give a hearty negative
:to the Bill.
Lord Sass Ras supported the Bill, and defended
the right of Government to employ spies. He in-
sisted:Abet the grievances of the. people ought not
to be exaggerated, or' mis•stated. There were
some persons who tlatteir.cerdtlrsnuiffirnatgoeaanbiellAielfntiubasti
they bad a right to Universal
I'arli
iaoultle nt tos ,
administer antllre- w atso stohlre•iyr, tiomssseeiosnusc. h aTtillies;
were less capable of resisting flattery titan the
ihaigmlete.r. ritrdewrass,
saidtheirat t
leiteittperaetsieonnt
Bill dnesottr
otlyte.
(eittl ottirt,elCetr_sti(tLutoino(nt---crtiletast
otlikespHHeenandbreeta?s—Cfoolrvriatatst.s tsheivoiaartst
the fact . No. It was s
time,x but
itiilioiswalitt nrEt,oLtsisnLtelayngceornomflletnegti. annihilated.
repelling
thew s) spt,n)kuea tltaosnts,.
ttilitarto thrownn unt
plet yr.stohnes
Nflaotbtelere(Ll end
• •
humoured the people. He disclaimed such a
Fpractice. o
Nn
eitise
rp a
tritid ofh eh i
think the pNI
eo
of
England so uneducated, and so illiterate as the
Noble Lord seemed disposed to believe them. It
twhaesirtertzapteiorla
itiaps ,
ttitileta t
University
nilvieeyrsditiyd
of
rtoot
Oxford,
rrzcei'3vuet
they knew enough of the principles of liberty to
revere it, and to value it above any other ltu
man blessing: —(Hear, bear !)—The Noble Mar-
quis then adverted to the Bill before the House,
and said that it was connected with all that
'related to the Constitution—with all that was
dear to the people, and to public order. It led the
Horse to higher regions than those of mereintrt y—
to those higher and calmer regions of philosophi-
c4teelhrntilsientatststilrema,ed
thatUp tie
oltllfigresrts apprehendedstages
f
this
efiveilrle,
clearly defined. They were more dreadful from
the obscurity in which they were involved, and
from their boundaries not being traced. What was
the real state of the mote ? The Noble Lord oppo-
issittre:alredofattlinielltesiend:erthnemtennot danger fatal to the ex--
Constitut ioub the fcountry,'or which menaced the
was apprehended. It''
was trite the t (intuits complained of we Contrary
Snn
°writ of
re tine
4,,,a,eagnicilarlieyqrtrirs4.eied the
h tvitiniti
law to
le
virlaiwth:inbuith'iiet
grasp of the law. As ,
at as it appeared that they

were suppressed, they were snppressed by the
hiw, not by any rigour heyotld it,
Marquis here took a review of the plan of or
spiracy, as detailed by Castles, and expoied its
absurdity at considerable length. De Nahlr
Lord opposite had said that Government, Hs
the commencement, bad no concern with Castlti:
That was not the charge. It was dist inetly cloori
that Castles had become not only an sceotao
but an instigator, with the intention of 111
The Nobli
information afterwards against these veil 'Pr,
whom he bad led into crime. --As tri rill
ver, he was an acknowledged,
agent of Government; and one of the mast Iti,
lent outrages recently conamittedrWas ti at
adopted by him. This was one oftbe loPple",6
of a measure extolled as a measure of ereven":th
It encouraged the t
erGovernmen o hire ifs
who
instigated the people to l, oil AI
(lime was not up to the law, the 10. r.
brought down to the crime. In a Coati of JPte
tice the testimony of such men oaglir t° b,e,3
ceivetl with great CAUtian and never, io's'
, I in! rto;rf
.
wa
a confirmed ; but lie thought it big.", ' it
an accredita
that such evidence shoal(' be the foundstioa nit
legislative proceeding. 'rhis aVite.rli be2,ll:ititil
subversion of the ancient Constituton, ..---suAot
to all the laws of the coontry--hostile Oen, oi
Coronation Oath, which imposed it Sa a "44
the King to administer the laws in mercy, as co,
as in justice.—For such infarnotii periilat a! ,
ties and Oliver he could find no epithet 011,4' 0,
could use in that House withoitt proh"til,ll,'st
;Oust avails. The Noble lialquis coitclatleriPie:4
lag, that such a Bill as the 'proem slictit'cleo
UriVe been prnposed}withont the stronpil ,et
sitn Nod that isecetSil y he did not think 00
titritipils:soetittalefLetwaervdileitoiati.lcytares.
aiit.el:4l2kilrigiteli.),liinittsc't4ttiviesel th,l
el Re:tg,ll,ilWilvit
e)teee(sniTiSiesbit li tory.itiniiito,ettia::::ll4:dlieel:Weraiii
lit
:ell
I:ll6:iirstriet i at
I:81
et,r:i,l;prameled.tirnut. ere.,
eb:11:11,51rt...1.3e:1:!,
which called for its coutindance, Ile ‘,14"1 'id!
agreed as to the necessity of toe step the)co,
M.
I.l.stillilCiat; illioft.r:lnsathiavtitPitettri3;no*pP°llt- Ji of
ir
dra
ilthe reel
dI c t men t fur
ithislacid,
not
taw,
etbet3l,
:titete
apaistt,:::l):ol,-:lA,tri
Pa/1131MM. It deprived the P"'!'1""" h. TOlds
ailiaibgebats Cv's.titiripcthis thtedy beenise teria'ini:ei,d iidilaulleg I°4
tie'
The Loa Dtlia tv c st.t.o 2 delivered Ili' se° 100
at. some length on the important (blest' Dee,
view of eveil thing that had taken Plhac`o'bjecta
tertained not the smallest doubt that t,"ecoroirr
the. conspirators was to overturn tae hi pot
tral - establishments of the co°,ltrifthe till
Oliver," respect to what had been soh" °,O soot s
, " he would not add a ayliableeste, hse!
been said by the Noble Secretary of °
cry COO!
freto 0
giving, credit to what appes
Lordships
inalcijouurnettriymNirel:srptiolibleil:rtc:(l"b.l:ll:l7:9:l;o:ol
it:
ni..lAlllt.
ion g i pettier .. $ 1
tbnOsitiln may not be it little sorpri,64o6' 0 1
gars
tatilhdiehtest)Baeitiplitittvbiwi,i,calitibioynnostrlslghcooaudttirliorrepi;_t:7.:c..i
iv 1
rem:
' buil I: e. "1
, r persons charged with Hign vitePt6l2olo pri .'
Vail!" .pre.,4,t -web, ile 0°4;0" it
°i
preferable to , ie eflt ~111 A
1e4:11C.31111.0:1 it tlrt"milosl4 bc) lil
time or
toll.
Bt%uear tlse evil (such as I.ll.obilant; i1t,',0.--'.
greater is ill. Or bear those MO iAi °%;
.. 4041.‘, , ~, OF
out it, ICJ the conittry .., ~,,,v ',Ate', 10
protection. Atilt further, tii)sur ailo'd
sitter
o._ whether or not the e:Liadt't;
pled
tbel.
mi-uTeatis of punishing, so as tr:4•Prec,,,,, t lic tiii
sit, 1:11 of crimes in both these "5'0;001
ti.s`saerl in leis own mind that the ale* totool
conscientiously recommend it to noo
adoption.
ii:nnloct;f°r' '‘..
bat
qi
u Pensibly. neeessars I thentt) tile ' iii4lll
altil,ei,rol):
The I die 51/9‘.114.
pro eldtederf preparatory to ft thvts (jog; I'
t
I
.:Dtr:oritmtorrEf In;iyietsBll;llll:ertreid:ii:artilislielelLte.sentagoileitnurutg,dseivasslt
ottitlE:iiiieri:sitd:lnritfiew'l°lniiic:till:ith.ipbeitPodialcislttilsa,tvict,iciT:led'fk:siet:l9eediit:lci;°rso,:ntieilos:::oft!idirill:Eic"iii:::ifi:itolewlfbce:
'On- vi*(le, that the Act should cease l'oroo
passed,s vihli i cd.lbC*Thi:onatl‘ futcCareacn:jouutemirrlietit Ileniastuitsslgu.al4lgGylte7Sha:tetof:P.iv.oh'
piraLlsislii )ertriolsea:ai.fc:dje:tie:::?(o°::-;10ii ~:ticti!cti'
01:13:cc:i 41 1:
~yid:ll7l ii
141
01,141
zu hour this
cittlill.,oteilisr;nd:aFEilt
_Ili:
()NEE
CO'':: 5..: 0
r.
id°.
oi,,' •,:
luC)
isoemai
lilt
after lc 8°
Stwietbeicialiritileteirier-de-g":1014610 l'errst:Cil'444bt:erli:ellfd:llll)4.
an
is
1,77.Nti rtt",'
Sir 3. C. il
paJliCation of banes, `:, par!rfliA.
this Bill was founded on a .Petitidn 'ie oi I' ,
b.osiicioonf,
therro lics piaerregysyeernyitfed,tilu'ineat 1
etrilrifel,:sicgboial:_iiii,tlloll;friitif::,i;tivil
vicin,itY of Bath anti Bristol, ieb.,ll-0 of 1°,4
theti. increasing piceatenee of elf°'°,.ipestil fitci
: It now 3tantls, awl therefore e 314.010. li
, r the intervention of the 10 6100 or
111, the vicinity of great and Pal: 0 il' t'
ire.
Tr'
nleetle
s_:tti
lelt
tivsgi
teevai
tl ,
s,t wast.
atvisiot
isiti ePsr et 'O9l I:si de grit
r,
visiotts at the Statute. A111)04'140 Orcolf,,,
.thin of tbeStainte of the 26th of thc i iodit
:aided that banns shottld bet üblisite:l, of iii! ,ref'",
o,elonging to the parish in *hie!' e-s Orriii,4,
t_tewelr, and by the oghtb section:
holootclir
eras declarettlkt7htetin'toPilliabtlii:lavioi°itli--"Plitieal'ffh6:o,4ll
tilt ' . 'l.l'il
it'
' "'
dneev:ertahseittossnvoilnil-ein"lltilleit(si ntlicev,7c'einti':ftrpi(lll
salinity of the Marriage. 1 ,„, of tiled t
hoccasioned, in fact, the greater' PP:, for '.,,'ct,1l
c was not tlitpoSed to disturb I: iegiorrothid
bchildren depended on nice titresti-colicrt.l-04' ilAe,
cbief would be incalculable it tilos of,,11„1"-i
oundary, or if they could be lot!' tilt vOr
evidence of Lion-resilience ; yet s!, of thestands, the force of the lust Pa'