The Sun.
London, England, 1819-06-16 00:00:00

HOUSE OF COMMONS.

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Sir G. HILL presented, pursuant to;an Order of
tilt- I-1011Se,
,certain papers relating to the regih-
tion of :lie collection of duties.—Ordhed to lie
On the nit
The Repor' of the Loan Bill was taken into further consi-
dera,i,on, and the Bill ordered to be read a third time to-

• - •
row
.1 tol LORD ADVOCATE of SCOTLAND brought up the
Report of the Scorch Criminals' Banishment Bill, which was
agreed To, ano the 11ill ordered to be read a third tithe .to-
raorrnsk-,

Mr. ,ergl•-ant 0N51.0117 gave notice, that on the, 23‘l in
stint he would inove fur !care to in 4 Bill to alter,and
amend the Acts itlating to the achnibsion of Attornies into
the Courts of Lai'.'
• Colonel DAVIES mov,tl for, retnrns.showit,c the distriliti-
tiortit troops in Great and, in the, islands

in the k 'annel, disting!iishing cavalry, artiitery, and troops
of the tine; and est-. chowing the 'effective strength of the
(Officers; Non-corntrissioned Officers. find Privates.—Ordered.
The Fisheries' Pkesereatinn, was read it second tittle,
alit: ordered to. be up-witted on MOndai,
the motion of Mr. Alder'iliati WbetD, the Committee
on the ft iSh Pio tuershipi" was ptistponed till that day six,
Mr. SH.AW presented a petition front the Merchants and
Ti-i/tlers of Dublin against the Foreign Enlistnient Bill,—Or-
d'ert,tl to . . ,

CI?VaTNEY ()Waisted leave to bring in a Bill to.
am, Lew as to suffering reeoveries of land held in an-
demesne; and' witti regard to ;ales and 'leases of such
lands belonging to lunatics: - . . .
EXCISE DUTIES.:
The CHANCELL(II?.. wt the EX-CHEQUER moved the se-
.cotaq of the r:xcisc Duties Bill.
Mr. ,ffereti a few *ads in 'opposition to the Bill,
and ~a:fe. an Objection to the.provisiork made for.levyinz the
duty on the stock of Malt now.tin On this .subject be
had a petition to present from sonic of the most resprctable
Moltsfersin'England. He Golietetlie hardship of their case
-blid 'been taken int& ouirsideraVion, ;and wished to know if
it wete intended to allow, theta .tulle make the. pay-
ments . - .

..• . •
the CA-I..INC'EL:LOR of EXCIIEQUTtIt.' brief!): dc-
feuded the course intended to he smutted, .andsaid it waS•fil;-
tended to allow the ma.ttsters to make the payments by iu-
staltnents.
tlr. CAL:VERT objected t‘i.the'llew duties, principally
on account of the hard and diAressing ease of.the
He disapkneed of the. Subject being' brouzhColi so early itt
the d•iv. as:much as-he did of „its heiiig brought forwaid at so
late aft hoiw.9s,it,was when.it. fast cotue hvfore the Iloute.:—
If the ChatievfloioCtlie Exelieluer t.onld Cioisent to take off
part of the dtitj of the:oOct; in. hand,' lie should be more
di,po:ed to abstain front. offering; opposition, hut .other Wise
Ike AVIS inctiiiect.ty take the .sense of. 1.1,e UQuse on tin: pre:-
sent 0101 Kitt.

Th'e CHANCELLOR of the XCHEQTTER was under-.
stOi,d to say the 41etails of the measure could. he !wire C,711%,!-,
niently go !.:e into whet' the Bili.got int,ottle Conunittee, and
t,,,t?, st st, ch. posed, tt,e. Hon. Nrember could take the senseof
tr, which he sdijected.
Mr t...;.=il2'.'Etcr declined giving the House the trouble' of
4ividing tk-r. orci.ent occasion. . .- -
ttw xi..cti read a second time, and ordered to he
coni'lnit tee" en'Friday.

MONTGOMErtY postponed his motion for Papers
rritchard's petition, complaining cif .acts oL
AM tic:a Red River Settle-
. S
tnefAs.lin se'rtnight.
The Lottery'3ill went through. a Committee, the Report of
which was. oratred- !.9 lie received to-morrow. •
PUBLICANS' I,iCENSES BILL. . •• ••
Tile Order of tire Day b-4.,ing been read for
laktrtg foto for r conwlcration the Report of
,71iic,t s' Lieenscs Regulation I3ill, on the.
M; . BENNgT the Bill was recommitted.
4,scassion
.ensued on several clauses, in which
afort,'ine Ma. were made. On arriving- at the clause by
Which an appeal was provided from the Licensing Magistrates,
. Mr. BENNET expressed his appreitensioo, that in conse-
quent,' of tier great opposition which that clause seemed to
tXT:elitler, hi' should he under the necessity of relinquishin4
it. He stated shortly the considerations which • had •iirged.
him to introduce the It was well known that ;there
were a great Irony brewers, who, for purposes_of interest, en-
tered into corporations, became Ma;tistratesii and ultimately
proFrietors of public-houses. ThoSe persons were in many
eases induct:filo glee a bounty on the consamptian of their
owi: liquor, by the encouragement of every kind of vice. He
had ieceived a letter frimi a respect aide Clergyman at Exeter,
stating that he resided in a parish of that city, inhabited by
the poorest classes of the people, 89G in number, of whom
only eighteen paid pool's' rates. That, out of those eighteen,
serea kept public-houses; fire of winch were within a hundred
yards of each other. That, nevertheless, one of tin:Members
of the Corporatiott, who was a brewer, wished to set up ano-
th..v haus, in the parish, agairist the establishment ut.which
the in question had in vain applied to the Magis-
trat,c to his Diocesan, and to one of the Members. The
1-limonralde Gentleman here read a list of the number of
brewers
,who were Maii,istrates. in a variety of small towns
which he named, and declared the happiness which he should
feel if he could lie the bumble- instrument of putting down so
great au evil. • .

Air. CO?,AtTENAY warmly defended the Magistrates of
the City of Exeter against the charges preferred against them,
not in the Repint of the Committee on the Subject, but on an
ez part 7. slitter-rent contained .in.an anonymous letter. And
what was the whole of this ruizlity accusation? That, in the
o;duiun of a Clergyman of Exeter there was one ale-house too
much in a Parish of that city. The Honourable Gentleman
frit so strongly that the sense of the House was against the
clans*. which he bad
.described,. that he abandoned it;. and,
hating abandoned it, proceeded to utter calumnies against a
body of men who were not there to answer fur themselves.
• Mr. BENNET replied, that as he had been -accused of ca-
lumny, be would read. the letter and tne.naate of the,Clerzy,-
tv.At from whoa, he had received it, which the Hon. Member
accordingly did.

1.4:11 li:lfllNGTONsaid a few words, which were inaudible
iti rue Galiete.

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11r. COl7-/ENTAY explained.
Lord MILToN said, lie could not help complainint that his
Frn-nd !nus c,nrsented to abandon the clause relating to
tlr+r•xtl;hs and Tow‘ris.having• separate jurisdictions, where the
veil chirfi ,:x!Sted. tri the country the public-houses were
no (toolsr often its the hands of .ihe brewers; hot the Nlac,is-
tcates did riot let the evil attain such a head. Ile would press
it on his Hut.. Friend not ti abandon the clause.
Attu r (virility observations on the part of several Ile.rn-
berS, x tlitiSion to,:k place-
- For the Clause ...
Against it
. .

Majority'
Some discussion took place as to whether certain part] of
:aid its vicinity, not under tke jurisdiction of the
City London, one lit to fall within tile Operation of the Bill:,
1-I,:laie Sumner, with whom the discussion oristinateli,
iota( rd tSint lic would not pre s. the matter at pi rsent, . but
w uld talc an opportunity of bringing the subject forward in
a fotore stage of the 7,M1.

The other clauses of the Bill were read and agreed to.
.The Ilousc icsumed, and the Report was ordered to be re-
Ccitcd to morrow.

WEAVERS OF CARLISLE.
Mr. CLIIIVEN n•ithed to ask a question Its to a Petition
111:101 tie understood bad been referred by his R.,yal High-
/Asti Cu Li. Isliaigcrs, froat tlie IVe4vers vf and

othcr play, *—',uld any measures been taken, or were
any in contriiipi.ition fur tiwir relief?

said he was not in possession of
any faithur informal ion (vo this snhject.
BREACH O(' PRIVILEGE.—(NEWSPAPERS.)
Mr. ‘VyNNR nwved the Order of the Day for
calling Cita, les Bell to the liar of the House.
svis then called in.

-TheSt;iTztt tliiired him to look at the two
Paper the hands of the clerk, to which his
name appeared as printer aud publisher, and to
state whether -he acknowledged them.

Air. 13,11 ack:mwledged that they were printed
and puhii,,hyd by (dm.

SPF.AK I_Judcr whose directions were
chey so primed and published—who was the
Witor

Mr. Bell said, that the Papers tvere printed and
pnblisitrd' in• the ' n►dinaty way—that he had in
hand the gr.eater p4it of the manuscript fron►
which :he Paovr in question had been printed,
atn►►untiog to Many hundred -sheets—that the
authors or most of them were now in attendance,
~►►<! he had,n6.douht would be ready to avow and
be responsible for Auy of them. .
The SPEAKER said, the witness seemed to mis-
apprehend the question—who was the Editor of
the ?

Mr. Bell—The Editor of the Paper is a.person
of the name of Barnes.

The SPEAKER.-,-From whom did. the witness
receive the paragraph pnrportin4 to be a rnport'
of the speech of
,Mr. Hinne, one of
,the MernUeri
of the House ?

►lr Bell said, he was not 'himself in the print-
ing office that night.; but he had now in his pos-
session all the niavuscript from which the report
Of the dA);iteitin the night in question had been
pri:aeti,,and the Gentleman who wrote that pert
of i:, now alluded w, was at this moment in
attendance. . - '

The SPEAKeR.-From whom (lit) the -witness
receive the ruannscript of the paragraph in the
second paper now shown to hitt)?

Mr. Mt replied, that during the greater part
of• this year he trail been afflicted pith the gout,
and therehy'thneb'pevented. froth attending to his
duties at tl►e newspaper office ; l►e had been now
for forty years employed as a printer ;• but he was
not able
.to• giVe any particular information HS to
the paragr,tpli now in question. All the Reporters
of the newspaptT were enjoined to give their
reports, with the greatest possible accuracy—to
state. nothing that nay not strictly true—and
eley were told, that every thing %hich they gave
cuss on their own responsibility. 'the Reporters
were Gentlemen esteemed to be of great talents,
and were very-liberally paid. 1f any of them had
fallen into a mistake, of course they would be
ready to•answer for it. -

Tile•SpeaKaa said, the question last asked re-
ferred to the paragraph in the paper or Monday
last. The witness was now desired to state who
wrote that paragraph

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Mr. Bell said, he believed that paragraph must
have been written by the Editor ; :but he could
not take upon himself to state farther on this sob-
ieet,'as at the time when it was printed he (Mr.
'Bell) was not in London ; he was in Hampshire:
Mr. FIUME begged that the witness niight deli-
ver to the Clark the paragraph complained of,
which be had stated Co be signed by the person
he had first mentioned.

Mr. Bell sAd, he had not brought the papers
now asked for wkli him, as he was not aware
they would be called for.

• Alr.'Huirg 'said, he tho.ught the witness did not
understand the. tinestion.. The paper which be
n ished for, was %,vitarthe witness before stated he
held in his hand—the -Report of the Debate, as
printed in the Paper,
Mr. Bell said he hat! not understood the slues-
tion-4hat Report was now in his hand, and he
was ready to deliver it into the hands of the Clerk.
The manuscript was then delivered to the clerk.
Mr. GIPPS asked the witness whether the Pa-
per now delivered was the Report which had
been taken of the proceedings iu the House ?
Air. Bell—" it is."
Mr. H. SUMNER asked whether that Report was
taken in short hand ?

Pair. Bell said, be was cot able to answer that
question.

The witness svas then ordered to witl►clraw.
'1 he SPEAKER then said, that he had received a
letterfcon► the Gentleman who reported the Speech
in question, acknowledging that he was the per-
son who had written the objectionable passage.
11e. wished to know whether it was the pleasure
of the House that this Gentleman be called in
T 4 1e Reporter was then called in.

The SPEAKER desired him to look if the paper
in the hands- of the Clerk (delivered by the last
witness) was written by him.
The Reporter—lt was.
The SPEAKRR asked whether the Report had
been written in the House in short-hand
The Reporter said, thritin order to answer that
question, it tsGold-be-ttecessary, with the per-
mission of the House, that' Ire shonid give sonic
explanation. Owing to the verigreat inconveni-
ences to which Reporters were subjected in the
gallery of the House, and
.the many disadvantages
to which they Were exposed, not even the facility
with which he wrote short-hand, or all the atten-
tion or exertion which it % in his power to be-
stow, could-enable him to take .down, on every
occasion, so fully aorl accurately as might
be dome under Mote favourable circumstances,
what tell front - the Honourable Members of
the Hduse. On the 'particular occasion to
which reference had now been Made, it had been
his lot to he exposed to singular annoyance by
the interruption of some strangers who pushed
past him, and wholly prevented him for. the time
from bearing the particular words which fell from
the Honourable Member, Mr. flume. The be-
ginning of tI4 sentence he certainly did hear.
The Honourable Member Was talking • of the re-
ductions of 6s. Bd. which had- been made in the
e%thblishments, and of the, distresses which were
thereby occasioned: It he was not mistaken the
Hon. Memberalluded to a smile on the Treasury
Bench, soul used such a sentence as this—" Gen-
tlemen might smile at such things, but what would
they tn,y when they saw the other side of the pie-
riire." Just thew the interruption took place,,and
he did not bear 'the liOnourable Member finish
he paragraph, but be heard cheering in the House.
lie asked a stranger sztlu sat bet-ure bid; at the'.

'-lion. Member had said, and it was upon th! in-
formation of that stranger that he had given the
report, which he now understood was wholly in-
correct, lie trusted that the House would per-
mit him to say, that the mistake into which he
had been thus led was wholly unintentional—that
he had no wish to state any thing but what he be-
lieved to be"the exact truth—no wish to injure or
misrepresent the character of any Member of that
Honourable House ; that as to the Right Hon.
Member in particular, who was mentioned in the
report, what was there stated was done with no
malicious intention, as he had no feeling of per-
sonal hostility against that Right Hon. Gentle-
man, and no political animosity to gratify. The
mistake, such as it appeared, was wholly uninten-
tional, and occasioned by the circumstances which
he had nrmtioned.
Mr. BaTunasT asked, whether the written pa-
per was a transcript from short-hand notes.
The Reporter.—lt was—that was to say, so far
as the case admitted, it was a transcript.
Mr. BATHURST asked whether the cheering
Which was mentioned in the Report was taken
from the short-hand flutes.
Thd Reporter stated, that he harp a particular
mark to denote cheerily, and in Writing out his
Report, from this mark lie mentioned, as his me-
mory served, what was the extent or degree of the
cheering. He wished to he allowed to express
to the. house his contrition, at the same time, a
Manly contrition, for the mistake of which he had
been guilty, and trusted that the House would
take into consideration die eireuinstances which
he bad mentioned as the cause of it. 1f the in-
convenieuces to which Reporters were subjected
by the present state of the gallery were removed,
the liability to such mistakes would be prevented.
At pt esent, froM the various interruptions which
prevailed, and from Reporters often coming into
the. giOlery is 'he middle of a speech, it was of-
ten-impossible for them to avoid some mistakes,
and there were always many allusions by Hon.
Nli,nibers which could not be understood by the
ii' mrter who had not beard the previ_ges part of
the debate. As to the chances of such mistakes,
lie need only appeal to the frequency of misap-
prehensions, even by Members of the House, as to
what had passed in- the course of debates.—(Cries
of Order.)
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Tile Spitaltitit informed the witness, that he
must confine himself to matter relating to ques.
!ions put to him.
The Reporter then stated, that he was not aware
tbatthe Right Hon. Gentleman, the Member for
Liverpool, was not in the House at the time
when Mr. Hume spoke, and that lie believed...that
1-I(in..Arernber expressly' to allude to Mr.
Can-
ning.—The Reporter was then directed to with-
dritw. "

Mr. IVYNNE -said, that not one 'void of all that
had been stated to the House on this occasion had
altered any part of the opinion which he had last
night expressed on this subject. It appeared that
a very strange mistake had been committed, but
. although the House must be disposed to enter.:
tain a favourable opinion of the individual. who
had just appeared before them, he could not view
the offence which he had committed as being less
than a very flagrant breach of the privileges of the
House. The House had certainly very notch
con-
nived at the system of publishing accounts of
what passed within their walls ; but they would
'depart very much front that which was due to
their own dignity and privileges if they failed to
visit with their displeasure the person who had
been guilty of so gross a violation of them as that
which had been acknowledged by the individual
who had just appeared before them. The first
proceeding which occurred, would be to record on
the ionrnals•the sense which was entertained of
the publication in question. He therefore mov-
ed, " That the Paper before the House is a scan-
dalous misrepresentation of the proceedings of
the House—a false and calumnious libel against
one of its Members—and an aggravated breach of
its privileges."
Mr. Baouonatu said, be did not rise with any
intention of opposing the motion which was now
made. No man was more sensible than himself
of the importance which must attach to every
question relating to the privileges and the pro-
. priety of using every just means to punish any
violation of them. But at the sante time it ap-
peared to him that there were some circumstances
in the case of this person who had just now been
called to their bar. He 'wished therefore to sub-
unit those circumstances; to the coesideration of
the House ; but he felt at some loss whether this
were the proper time for entering upon the circum-
stances which appeared to extenuate the offence, or
whether they would not be better discussed at the
time when the question should be put as to the pu-
nishment to beieflicted,—(Criesof Goon; from va-
rious parts parts of the House.)—For the present,
however, he must say, that it appeared to him,
that in justice, as well as in mercy, he thought
it would be proper that the House should nut vi-
sit this offence with the heaviest punishment ; and
tie svould Submit whether it would not be desirable
to incorporate a clause in the resolution now be-
fore them, stating, that the House having taken
into coOsideration,various circumstances of ex-
tenuation which had been pleaded by the in-
dividual in- qoestion, thought it not neces
sary to proceed farther then to cause bite to
he reprimanded. This appeared to him the
best course ; for if the House. shonld agree
to the reSolution now before then]; which
set forth in the most unqualified terms Abe extent
of the offence, it might be difficult for them af-
terwards, when they Cemelo decide upon the pu-
nishment, to mitigate. it in! any way so as to be
less than an offence so strongly described should
merit. He therefOre hoped-it might be thought a
better course to incorporate into thisresolution
something to the purport which 'he harp mention-
ed. This be proposed solely on the ground that
there; were
b
ecirycumstances in the case which bud
be
the individual hiinself—and so
stated, as he ,was sure must have produced a
very favourable in'hiression on the House,' which
might -fairly entitle him to same degree of in.
diligence. At the same time he .protested, that
if it wete not for these extenuating circum-
stances, and if the Toff-owe -had -appeared in
that aggravated aspect ,whiChit bore On its 'first
consideration by the House, and before they were
n possessiou W the evidence which had been note

given at the bar, there was no manwl'° Id nl3d
more forward than himself to propose or
With .Se.c".e
lily proposal for visiting such an offence ~"0
most severe punishment, and thus vindicating
dignity and privileges of the House. and
Mr. BATHVRST thought that the Hot" wo
Learned Gentleman who hail just spokea
I kea
quite right in the last part of what had fallen
cfr:xl7,
hint. No doubt, too,
tenuation which had appeared would be talc
fairly into consideration. Dot at the same oi
he could not see that the House, consistep
with a regard to its honour„ and the pri/j'e),,
of its Members, could stop short of the. 13W-s'aes'
Con which was now moved, and which only 6e.
forth in exact terms the nature of the °,ff;e„,ila
which had been committed.---(!Jere the ,""7„s
Hon. Member lowered his voice, and sP°,,6eo
some time in a tone inaudible in the galley ;',,,
The offence consisted in the substitution of 6ta,
ragraph ingeniously and artfully insetted'",lleficf,
was not only not heard by the Reporter hints
.fig
but was actually quite different from anyle;
that Lad been uttered.—lt appeared froth the sot
count of the Reporter, that having himself tot
heard any such thing stated, he was yet &Oleos
to take it on the authority of a stranger, end idle
although it was a scandalous attack *IP"
,01
character of a Member. All this was aggrW:„4
by ihe circumstances of the Reporter inset 11
that t e House had received his calumny ("7,(1).;:,j
had, however, never been uttered) with ,(
anal continued cheers,"—a misrepresentoti" ce-
tainiy most gross, became it was what ,e,a-
dia
wit the krowledge of the Reporter h IMSei"
ba
Mr. PbIILLIPS said, that as an honest man
could not 'vote for this Resolution. Every metes
' her of the House must know how often mist"el
and misapprehensions occurred in the course of
debates. For himself he must say, that he ell;
tainly had heard expressions used towards t
Right Hon. Member for Liverpool on marts °S
casions, which seemed to him very similar to
attributed, as it now appeared incorrectly, to t7o.
Hon. 111cmhet.(Mr. Hume) ; and there w3‘
wonder, for certainly that blight Hon. Golti'lu.'"l;
had rather a dispssition to mix the lodicrno
the setiotts, and to amuse himself upon serf 64
tressing subjects.—(Much murtuuliog )
Lord CASTLEREAGH said, if he had eotertalu
any doubts as to the vote which he should
on this occasiou, what fell from the Hon. Ale:111:
her who spoke last would have determined 1111-d
It Members were thus to indulge their fancies, at e
to use expressions, of a nature which would ic
libellous and offensive if put forth to the public' 'll,
was very ptain What the privileges of the 14"5,
must come-to. With respect to the present citiesti-
tion, although certainly the House must be tuned
prepossessed in favour ofthe Gentleman who 'l4
been now brought before them, yet it must
considered that the truth or falsehood of the re'
port was a thing which very little coocerned thel
decision of the House, as in-either case there tiva
a distinct breach of privilege.
Mr. ABERCROMBIE admitted that the -troth or
falsehood of the Report did not make it the lessl
breach of privilege—that the House was boon"
on this occasion to vindicate its dignity—that 81:
bar,by the
yetstiattbemeceanintemtandeeehtlytytloteitLie;
though a very favourable impression must hay-
been
f
Hpor
utes producedrea totthe
adopt sonic measure to vindicate it.
dignity., •

Lord COMPTON said, that he recollected a cars
which he thought might guide the conduct old'.
House in this case. In 1812 a mistake of as gresi
a description had been committed, by attributie6
to a Member of the House certain passages io tlts
evidence of a witness which it had been thougli
necessary to expunge from the Journals. A'i,
,
though that misrepresentation was more gross
than the present, and more dangerous in its con'
sequences, as it exposed the Member to the in-:
dignation and fury of the populace, yet it bact
not been thought necessary to proceed fartheg
against the printer of the paper after his publish'
ing an apology and disavowal.
Mr. PROTHEROE, in justification of the Be:
porter, thought it his duty to state, that at tia
time when the Hon. Member (Mr. Hume) spoke
the sentence which had been mistaken, there ee"
tainly was a smile on the Ministerial Bench.:
though of a different nature and differently Muffed
to by the Hon. Member front what was stated
the Report. At the same time he must retniolk
the House, that the Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr:
Canning) had said last night, when the subject'
was before the House, that if there was any Meo34,
bee who believed that the misrepresentation %caw,
not wilful and malicious, he would not proceet`
farther in the matter. Now he put it to the
House, whether it did not now appear that the
misrepresentation was unintentional, and doll,
without any malice.
Mr. Hurac allowed, that there had been a smiO
on the Ministerial Beach at the time. mentioned,
and that he had alluded to it.
Mr. BATLIULST remarked, that the offensive p 414
sage was introduced after the passage which men"
tinned the smile.
Mr. C. IltrrcittNsost thought it fully appeare4
that the misrepresentation was not Wilful or u 1
licions.

Mr. BRAND, said, if the motion now before the
House had been put last night, he should have
agreed to it at once, because it then seemed to be
the opinion of every Member, as it, was his own'
that the misrepresentation was wilful. But be
could not agree to a motion which called it a scan'
dalous misrepresentation. Considering, the ex'
traordinary diligence and ability manifested 11
the Gentlemen who reported the debates of. the
House, he thought it would; be better to provitle
them-with reasonable accommodation, and make
them more responsible for.the accuracy of their
reports,_

Mr. tVYNNR called the attention of the Hoag,
to the words of his motion. It stated the rnisreo
presentation to be " scandalous." He begged
the Clerk to read the words of the Report,—[The
Clerk then read the words.]—Hc would put it to
the House whether the words of the Report were
not scandalous, Jimd also according to the other
words of the motion, whether they were nor
" calumnious," and, as such, .whether they.xece
not an " aggravated breach of the privileges of
the House ?"

Lord BINNING, alluding to what was said by

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tlketinnt Member (The Protheroe) relative to the
gs' e
i'titt llon• Member (Mr. Canning!s) declaration
toile nisi i
le niiie not intending to prosecute the matter
misrepresentation were wilful, reminded
the Hume that the Right Hon. Gentleman left
e disposal of the question entirely in their
antil, and bad even absented himself from the
1I
."se on this debate, allowing the House to
pursue s"ell steps as it might deem expedient.
' e motion was then agreed to, and the Reso-
erTton passed without a division.
Alt% WYNNE tben‘rese to follow up the resolu-
tmh by a motion for the punishment of the indi-
wal. He had ot course,, as' was usual, been al-
, 'ell to state at the Bar any circumstances in ex-
t,m'ation of the offence. But considering all the
I:!re'nctances, he thought the- House.would agree
tts
Inotion,—" That the Reporter who was
.:."Yot. this Breach Piselege should be. ....crin-
oline(' to Net
vgate."
-1""Y thought it his duty to state, with
tt'fereuce
to the offensive passage which stated
teetis in the House. to that he.wes present,
Ihht be certainly heard cheers in the House.
I Aelr• lieouGuitst remarked that no doubt scented
1:1() 6e entertained as to the truth of the statement
11ell
hY the Rsperter. Last night the case
ra-`2 he one of absolute wilful and malicious
"'ire'emation. Butt now the statements which
7r.el,ebreeilii:i(lie
were
of a nature to alter the chae
it then bore. As to the culpable
liegligeuce of the individual, the House was
tonllnct hail "numl to take into consideration what its former
had bell dctlle ictrir
voarri
iaasri otl s
cases ,Ftrhoealti'tsll: saet
use
tti always shewn a disposition to le-
iit )ell.q. which twist have led iedividuels into the
tettUn that such offences ivere not of a nature to
o,i3e`ettly punished. As there was no malice in
.18 "se, lie trusted the House ,would not co s°
to commit the person who bad made the
sttlBl4lte to Neweate. At- the same time he was so
asst impressed with the importance of unani-
le ( Y, its Such cast's, that he would not go so tar as
ete-Pl'ule !he motion. But he .:toed it might be
tetttet.
stiffkient to commit the individual to the
end-ully ,he Serjeant at' Arms, instead of send-
g4l.l;inß Netegate.
ANKES seidehe was not aware that it was
te‘a)t.lo,,,
j t it stien cases to commit individuals to the
o! the Seijeesnt -at -Arms. With regard to
eeuhisetions to -the proposed place of confine-
-1,1 t, he recollected to, iusrance of the kind in
lei'» Psrson so offending aeainst the House
ttaa.
t/m sent to Nesegate. It was.pettectly right
eenteinottieisnltit tr asll%:),,l)igOly r violeted their privileges.. W't
Ii
favou of liberty, he could
h:;.er, forget what was due to their privileges. He
however, no desire for a heavy punishment.
ICI'. Smile! (ot Cambridge) corrected the lost
Ms tuber by referring to a case in April,
tovur 5, in ehieh the Editor of a Morning Paper,
to tet''lmltenting on a Vote of the House relative
inipeaehmene of Lord Melville, was com-
4C" to the custody of .the Serjeant at Arms :
tecoivlmetided toe most leuient punishment,
hoped that ir'would he changed froin New-
, Cite te the
seejeatit at Arinc.
tee," C. Vey:see, in reference to places of
pe-"negttrtl tnent sot mete), rt,ed by the House, men.
ditr,i,,the Gate-house. Iu consequence of a vast
Ilion of expenee, lie had recommended
ewe
; ^`"e, in pt etteenee
_to the custody of the
lees "t at Arms. It, however, the ditlerence of
"'s-re weived, he bad no obje e ction o the
"ler eumshment.
e.;,u. JAMES NleceiteTosst entirely concurred in
teints which had been app:icd to this libel,
t;" fr("11 the statement made • ihe Reporter at
a4.i114e. he was hill convinced the error (great
:,-,,,vv45) was oeietentional—(llear !).--He fully
f,Vtittcd the individual of wilful intention,. and
b .'"g this, he could not but vote for the lighter
este
Il'urneet. The appearance of talent and edit-
,4ti" which the witness at the Bar shewed, would,
Cott Persueded, induce the House to select that
uispouishment which would convey 16 such a
riOentan the least feeling of disgrace. As to at-
ejrs
"roo himself from any part of the public
teesstetl ,be sheide ev r treat them with indifference, in
hd a case as that which was represented (for lie
Hut seen it) to have so calotunioesly reflected
4111111 hint, with contempt.--(Hear, hear !)—He
csu felt himself ',mind to express his opinion in
it'utt,4"t of the eteeerally improved character of the
ojii.e Press; for whatever political bias particular
ste,e-"l"Pers mey have and may exercise respecting
lie 'severel 'Jetties to which they were attached,
Ih tilever recollected a period in which their co-
% ttl'is exhibited more general decorum, more ge-
est„
ks
att 41
more exemplary abstinence from all
full. neon private life, and from those disgrace-
seeit'vasions of the privacy of domestic character
le:eh Were once so much indulged H eat i
.)
0,41 great and valuable improvement in the public
iiirt had arisen from e superior talents, the
tel,Yent, and character of the proprietors, and the
ter `e''°ved advantages and better condition, in every
lei eel, of the Gentlemen who are employed un-
,thette On this .account . alone, even ex-
's've ill the demeanour of the Gentleman whom
stY had, just heard at their Bar, he should
.allr,9tIVY Urge upon the House the propriety of
1(1 „4"ing from any, degrading punishment-
-4,1" 1)--the street of which must. be to have a
ett-et'tnY to take away that sense of self-respect
set
44 to. ch
1 uldefl
eren ishdenint chpersons ofaracter whichthis it
description.—
was so essen-
weer
r• M's,r. SMITH joined in pressing upon the
.IS;rlSe the adoption .of the lesser punisheient.—
Ntiu_sioe had been considerately made to the ex-
.
te. " which (leis;;ite the custody of the Sereeant
Art
Lim evoteld entail upon the Gentleinan who
tre• ueen examined, but be could assure tbe'Honse
he knew the family of that Gentlellthll, who
e:of great respectability ; he also knew the in-
al himself, who bad always borne the rha-
C". of being a well-behated, an excelleto, and
young tilkll4, litkd that from his know-
tt-s.seeit them all, it would, he was convinced, be
relief to their feelings that the committal
.he to the Seejeant at Arms, instead of to
eeeoe..
•
iq~l
!, on.the night of the debate
which the offence hail been cionmittedi he had
be!t tnd tf;e'tionourableMember (Nfr.'Hunie)
the't),4l I,e heat d notice en allusion to the smile on
isteriel Benches, which was certainly at

titre •followed by some cheers; The error,
therefore, of the Reporter was in this respect sta-
. tonal enough, as far as respected the words in the
parenthesis.—(Continued cheering.)
Mr. BRNNET lose for two purposes-Ist, to
concur in entreating the House to adopt the
milder punishment, and abstain from exposing a
cultivated mind to imprisonment in such a place
as Nevegate and he rose, 2dly, for the purpose
of exposing a calumnious statement riot iu the
reports, hut in a commentary upon them, which
appeared a few days•ago in taNewspaper.—(here
!he Honourable Member read a long extract from
a Ministerial Morning Paper, which reflected on
some Gentlemen at the Opposition side of .the
House.)
Mr. •PkoritF.aort also preferred the moderate
punishment. To men of education and literary
talents, naturally imbued with the feelings of Gen-
tlemen, a punishment of the extreme .kind would
.be keenly and severely felt. If, therefore, instead
of there being a pieced[ nt of Committal to the
Sedeant at Arms, there •had not been one, lie
thought, this was just the case in which :they
shoidd make a precedent for inflicting the milder
punishment.—(Hear, bear !)
Mr. IVY NN said, he did not feel the least diffi-
culty: in acceding to what appeared to be the ge-
neral wish of the House. He was, therefore,
;Tally to alter the words of his motion, and he
trusted sufficient would be done to warn the Daily
Press against a repetition of the offence which
brought the individual in question under the dis-
pleasure of the House.—(Hear
The quest ton was then put, that the Reporter
be committed to the custody of the Serjeant at
Arms.—Agreed to.