The Sun.
London, England, 1821-08-21 00:00:00

Oxford-street between Cumberland-gate and
Park-lane, preceding the funeral procession, as
banner-holder to the. Benefit Society of Car-
penters ; was standing still, and observed the
soldiers riding about and cutting ; two of them
passed on his left side, turned round, and came
to the right side of him ; he was holding his ban-
ner, One of them struck him and knocked .him
dciwn with a sabre ; he rose up again as well as he
Was able, and got to the, pavement, where two
friends took him to the "Middlesex Hospital ;
Saw no more of the procession ; did not see any
pistols fired, or stones thrown ; was wounded in
the head, and hurt his arm in the fall ; did not
hear Sir Robert Baker or any one else read the
Riot Act or warn the people; the horses belOng-
ing to the hearse were got through the gate.—
His hat being prodUced was found to be cut
through.
By Mr. frek'Sf.lON.-IDid not see the gates Aiied on the people,
but saw the horses heads in the direction towards St. Giles s ;
does not kno* by whom they were turned ; should not be able
to recognite the man who struck him. • .

William Greig, resides at No. 32, City-road ;
had some communication with Sir R. Baker, and
observed the conduct of the military.

The ConoxEn observed, that the conversation was not evi-
dence, although the knowledge of the witness, as to the conduct
of. the soldiers, might be.so.
Mr. Sheriff AITHMAN was not anxious to press the ex-
amination of the witness.
Several of the Jury thought that as evidence had been ad-
mitted as to Sir R. Baker's speeches and conduct, that of the
present witness ought also to be taken.
A long conversation then ensued, during which the witness
stated that Sir R. Baker told him the procession should go
through the city, and that he would take all the responsibility
upon himself. The witness stated that the conduct of Sir R.
Baker appeared to be most humane and feeling throughout the
whole of the day.
Several of the Jury said, they were proud to hear that they
had such a Chief Magistrate.
The Coroner at last decided that all public declarations of
Sir R. Baker should be taken as evidence, but not his private
conversation with individuals.

The Witness then proceeded ; on coming on
to the gates at Kensington, perceived a contest
between the soldiers and the people ; the soldiers
were striking the people with their swords ;
heard cries of" the City, the City ;" rode through
the crowd of soldiers and people, and seeing an
Officer, asked him his name, under whose orders
he acted, and demanded to know if the riot act
had been read ; he said he was acting under the
orders of Sir R. Raker : asked his name ; he re-
fused to give it, and threatened to cut Witness
down ; asked him if the riot act was not read,
how dared they to be striking the people ; he
said if witness did not get out of the way, he
would cut him down. The witness amended
what'he had said, saying he believed the soldier
said if you strike me, or do not get out- of the
way, I will cut you down. He remembered it
was so because a friend of his had written down
his deposition when he got home. Ile then called
to Sir R. Baker and said—" Do you see what
the soldiers are doing, has the Riot Act been
read ?" Ile said, in a mild tone, "it had not."
Witness then said—" At your peril allow a man
to be hurt—l will make you answerable." Sir
Robert considered a minute or two, then called
the soldiers away. The procession then went
along the road, Sir Robert leading them. Witness
rode up to him and said ---" Sir Robert Baker,
I believe ?" He answered, Yes ; witness then
said, " The minds of the people are extremely
irritated, and I fear'on her not going through the
City, lives would be lost." He answered, " I
think so, and I have made up my mind that we
will go through the City." 'titaness said,
" Which route will you have the peoille to take ?"
" The most usual way," was thei reply—St.
James's-street and Pall-Mall I think is the best,
but if you have any. influence, pray exert it to
prevent any confusion opposite Carlton House."
Witness replied, "If I possess any I certainly
will." He said, "Yes, I am sure you will—every
respectable man wishes to see order preserved in
passing the Palace of the King."
The CORONER here observed, that this conver-
sation was irrelevant, and had already gone too far.
The Witness,• in continuation, observed, 'that
all that followed of this conversation was, that
he asked Sir Robert Baker if he had his autho-
rity to inform Al r. Sheriff Waithman, Lord Hood,
and the people, that it was his determination that
the procession was to go through the City ?—to
which Sir. Robert. replied, that he was so autho-
rised. Witness then went, to the turnpike-gate,
Hyde Park-corner, and
,announced Sir Robert's
determination. The procession then went along
Piccadilly to Park-lane. After waiting 10 or
15 minutes, some one announced that the hearse
had gone through the Park. He rode back and
, ascertained it was so, and immediately went to
Sir It. Baker, who was in conversation with an
Officer' of the Guards, and said, " Sir Robert
Baker, knowing you to be the Chief Magistrate,
I took your word that the procession shoald go
through the City—you authorised me to pro-
claim it, and you have now been persuaded to
break your word—on your own head be the
consequences—l dread the result." He made
no reply. After waiting a few minutes, the
people began to reproach witness for having
misinformed them, and he returned to Hyde
Park-gate, where he met Mr. Sheriff Waith-
man and Mr. Hume, and the conversation lie
had with then) was all that he could further state.

The CORONER said he could have no further observations.
In answer.to Mr. HAN sow—He did not know whether Sir
Robert Baker had received counter orders. The Officers of the
different corps of soldiers then told him that they were under
the-direction of Sir R. Baker. he certainly did not know whe,
ther Sir' obert Baker had the marshalling of the procession.
It was between Kensington and Knightsbridge that Sir Robert
said the procession was to go through the City.
Thq CORONER observed, that the soldiets were of course
under the orders of Sir Robert Baker;• but it did-not appear
that he bad
_the marshalling of the procession—that was, pro-
bably, the task of the heralds, or other official persons with it.
Upon the witness's depoSition being. ieid over to him, he
said, he• was unable to .say whether .he or Sir Robert Baker

mentioned St. James's-street and Pall Mall as the best route
for the procession. ;
In answer to Mr. WAITIMAN—IIe quitted the procession
because he saw the people irritated against him for having de-
ceived them, and he was afraid of being pelted, as they were
calling out " that is him." He was not comfortable until he
got away- •
Mr. VirAITIIIKAN said, that he did not know how the ends
of justice could he obtained, unless those who could identify
the person who fired were sworn to the fact before they had
their cards of admission to the, Barracks. Mr. Harmer had
just come from the other Inquest, and he said that was the
course followed there. _ _

Mr. fine sor; thought this was not necessary.
Mr. WM Titli.Ax said he would tender no witnss after
this night, if this were agreed to; and after the witnesses had
had an opportunity of identifying the soldier, he should be
content to leave the matter to the convictipn on the mind of did
Jury.
After some further conversation, it was arranged that the
witnesses should not be sworn, but that notice should be. sent
to thva all that an ofßeer would be at the White Ilorse public
house, near the Foot Guards Barracks, Knightsbridge, to de-
liver to all, who should think themselves able to identify, cards
of admission to the Barracks for that purpese.

Josiah Dean, of No. 2, Mills-place, Totten-
ham—Court-road, linen-draper. He witnessed
the order given by the commanding officer of the
Blues, at Kensington, to send (or a reinforce-
ment. There was a stoppage of three quarters
of an hour ; there were two officers of the Blues;
the senior inquired of witness if he were one of
the gentlemen appointed by the Committee at
the Freemasons"ravern, to arrange the horse
procession ? 'Witness answered in the affirma-
tive, and the officer went with him to the carriage
of Dr. Lushingfon, and the officer told the Doc-
tor that he could not get through the obstruction.
He heard Sir Robert Baker tell the senior officer
of the Blues, that the procession was to go through
the City, and he (the witness) announced it to
the people. 'Witness accompanied the proces-
sion through Hyde Park ; being about two hu4-
dred yards ahead of.it, he was surprised at six or
seven Life Guards following behind him, towards
Cumberland-gate. One of them in his haste rode
over an old man, and another knocked down with
his horse two others, one of whom appeared much
hurt in the knee. Witness overtook the soldiers
at the gate, and they endeavoured to prevent his
passing. lie got through, and then turned to
view the procession. What struck his eye was an
officer riding backward and forward on the pave-
ment, cutting the people; one man who was cut laid
hold of the bridle of witness's horse, and the wo-
men called out for protection, seeing, as he sue-
posed, witness's staff of office. Witness then went
up to the officer, and said there was, nooccasion
for all that violence—it was slaughtering peopie
unnecessarily ; the officer answered," D—n you,
Sir, get out of the way, or you shall feel the
weight of this," lifting up his sword. He then
galloped towards Cumberland Gate. 'Witness
thought the people were attempting to shut • the
gates—one part was shut. The soldiers were
spurring their horses, and cutting at the people
about the gate. He saw one person's arm cut.,
and another's head, or hat. The gates were soon
opened, and the officer he had before spoke of,
.ordered the soldiers to charge, to clear the mob.
One party rode up one side of the street anti
another the other. The officer rode along to-
wards Park-lane. The people began to call our
against the soldiers, and to pelt them, but wire.-
ther with mud or stones he did not know. Ho
saw the Officer fire a pistol, he believed, towards
the corner of Cumberland-street. He was abort
twenty-five or thirty,yards from the gate,,apd,
nearer Cumberland-street than Ty hurn.zgate.
He was then riding towards Cumberland-gate,
and fired across his left arm. As soon as he hail
tired, lie rode on towards the Park-gate, and ap-
peared quite ind:iferent. Witness saw the flash
of the pistol.
A letter was here brought in to the Coroner,
which, after having read, he communicated to
the Jury. The letter was from Mr. llobhouse,
of the Home Department, and was in substance
1 as follows :

" In reply to Mr. Stirling's letter, in which he states that
the Jury claim as matter of right to have the Life Guards p 4.
raded for their inspection, Mr. Hobhouse has to inform him
that he has laid that letter before Lord Bathurst, who has de-
sired him to state, for the information of the Jury, that as they
claim that as matter of right, to which they have none, and re-
fuse to accept it as matter of favour, no orders have been given
to that effect. his Lordship further desired him to state, that
as the hour first mentioned for the witnesses to view the Life
Guards paraded, half-past eleven, will not be 'convenient, two
o'clock to-morrow has been appointed for that purpose."
Several Jurymen, after the reading of this letter, clamorously-
exclaimed that the Coroner had gime beyond his office in writ..
ing the letter in question. It was impossible to coiled accu-
rately the observation of each individual, as two or three some-
times• spoke .in conjunction. One . declared, that it had been
agreed they should all go to the inspection with the witnesses,
without any intimation being given of their intention. Ancither
asserted that it was done with a view to throw are impedimpat
in the way of the laudable object, and some declared it was like
the " INlanchvster job."
A Juryman observed, with warmth, that the remarks he had
just heard were a disgrace for any man to make use of.
The Conow ER stated, in reply to a question which had been
put to him, that the letter he had written to Mr. Ilobliouse was
in acknowledgment of his letter on the subject of the witnesses
being permitted to' see the Life Guards paraded, and also ae-
quainting him with the resolution which the Jury had come to,
of taking as matter of right, and not accepting as favour, the,
same privilege: .
A Juryman—l think the Coroner did right.
Another—l think he did not.
The FOREMAN.-1 am astonished the Coroner would adopt
such a line.

The CaßoxEß,—lt was your determination—you claimed it
as matter pi' right, and ydu decided you would not acccptit
favour.

A Juryman—We never'said so—we said we had a right to
it, but did not say we would not accept of it as favour, nor did
we authorise you to communicate our 'resolution to the clomz
Department.
Another Juryman—The effect of it will be, thao.if we'do
not go with the witnesses they will'be admitted one by one, arid
intimidated from their purpose. ►
Mr. Warrrimarr thought that the Jury had a right to seek
for information upon any. point connected Nyitth the inquiry is
Any place. But there was an offensive and itil unoffen.sive may
of making a request, and the course taken by the Coroner
amounted to a direct invitation to contest. it was throwing the
gauntlet in their face, and that had happened which tiiio 'nay.
turally have been expected.
A,Juryman recalled the recollectiohrof the Jury toswhrit had
given rise to the letter of which they seemed to complain,: U•.,
had been of opinion when the former letter. from Mr. Iloblimisr
was received, that having accepted a thing as matter of coaftes v.
the adniission'of witnesses to the Barrachs, they .might also,a;k
another, which was the admission of the Jury. A division took
place innen,gst them,, however, as to whether -they. should taiee