The Sun.
London, England, 1828-05-17 00:00:00

NAVY ESTIMATES.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, in moving
the Order of the Day for the House going into a Corn-
mittee of Supply, said that the Estimates which he in- '
tended to propose would have been proposed at an earlier
period of the Session, were it not that Ministers wished
the House to be first in possession or the Report of the
Committee of Finance. But as it was thought that
that report would not be made until such a late period
of the Session as would render it impossible for the
House to go into the various topics which that report
would embrace; he thought it his duty, in accordance
with the opinion of the Committee of Finance, not to poet-
pone any longer the Estimates which he intended now to sub-
mit ; but in doing so he begged to assure the House that
the vote which he should call on the Committee to agree
to, would not prevent any future Committee from entering
into a strict examination of those Estimates. He, therefore,
moved that the order of the day for going into a Committee
of Supply be read.
Lord AI.TIIORP said that he had been long anxious
to submit a few observations to the House upon the im-
portant subject of the Impressment of Seamen, and he
thought he could not take a more favourable opportunity than
when the House was about to resolve itself into a Committee
upon the Navy Estimates. He would proceed at once to
call the attention of the House to the great evils of the sys-
tem. It was not, he believed, possible to man the fleet
without being obliged to resort to the compulsory service of
seamen, but still he thought many things might be done to
mitigate the evils of such a mode of proceeding. He be-
lieved there was not any naval state whatever which
had not some such compulsory method of manning
their fleets, and he thought some such power indispen-
sible. The first evil attending such a system was, the de-
priving a seaman of his liberty and consequent em-
ployment in the merchant service. The second
evil was, that merchant seamen were induced to hide
themselves to avoid impressment ; and the third evil was,
that men thus impressed were obliged to be constantly
watched to prevent desertion. He did not think the
seamen had much right to complain that their ser-
vices to a certain extent should be required to
man a fleet which extended so much protection
to the merchant service, but still he thought that the
evils he had enumerated might be ameliorated. One
method thst he should at present suggest was this
—that all seamen having served a certain number of
years on board any of his Majesty's vessels, should not after-
wards be liable to be impressed. Such a measure as this he
thought would induce seamen to enroll themselves for a
limited period in a service where the comforts were
so much greater, and the treatment so much better, than
in the merchant service.

Sir GEORGE COCKBURN agreed most cordially
with the Noble Lord in principle, and should be very happy
to substitute voluntary enrolment for impressment. Yet
he saw it was at present, and as we were now circum-
stanced, impossible to give up this compubatory'power, with-
out being materially impaired in our maritime resources,
as compared with other powers. Certainly Government
was bound to do every thing to soften and alleviate the
evils arising out of impressment; much had already been
done to improve the system, and conduce to the comfort of
the seaman since the late war. As a preventive against
desertion, pensions had been held out after stated periods
of service, which were always forfeited in every instance
of desertion. This had produced good effects ; and it was
now a fact that the Admiralty was called on of late to issue
restrictive orders to captains of ships on foreign stations to
prevent them receiving so many men out of the merchant
service. In war he fiiared the power of impressment nerer
could be dispensed or parted with. As to being able to
identify sailors who had served a period as volunteers, he
feared, it would be extremely difficult for officers of King's
ships to identify such men on board merchantmen met
with at sea by any possible document. He, however,
would take upon himself the charge of looking to the
practicability of the Noble Lord's suggestions.—(Cheers.)
Mr. SYKES said, his vicinity to a large seaport en-
abled him to speak from observation and with confidence
of the evils of the system of compulsory service in the
navy. In the course of the last war, he had witnessed
scenes of horror arising out of impressment, to get rid of
a repetition of which no exertion that we could make
ought to be wanting. He declared his firm conviction of
the desirableness and necessity of getting rid of that abo-
minable system. During the whole course of the war he
had seen the port alluded to in the most terrible c onfusion,
disturbed by broils and contests, all brought on in conse-
quence of the state of the law as it regarded compulsory
service. Every thing was in a dreadful situation—men
who had gone long voyages, and were just come home to
enjoy the comforts of again meeting their friends and fa-
milies, were taken away, put on board King's ships, and
kept afloat six or seven years. To avoid so tertible an in-
fiction, men would naturally go to all extremities ; and,
accordingly, various expedients were resorted to, in order
to avert a calamity so dreadful. Some persons being ex-
empt from compulsory service, every evasion and effort was
resorted to by individuals, for the purpose of making it
appear that they came within the dew' iption of the privi-
leged classes. He remembered an instance of some men,
who, having picked up a little of the Prussian language
in a foreign port, and being impressed on their return
home, all swore they were Prussians, with a view to es-
cape. It was a shocking state of things under which
men could be so seized, ill-treated, and knocked on the
head if they resisted, and torn front their families for years.
He knew a great deal had been done to better the condition of
our seamen, and he was glad of it. But it was a great
hardship to keep men afloat fur seven ur eight years till
they forgot the aspect of the greets fields. Arbitrary pu •
nishment (he might call it so, where there was no Court
nirtial) was another great evil in the Navy, sad the con-
sequence was, to occasion among seamen a dislike to the
service. Various statements had been made in hooks
published on the subject some of them by Naval officers
of rank and respectability—but he should not now repeat
them. If any plan could be devised calculated to induce
seamen voluntarily to enter the naval service, it would be
exceedingly deeirable to adopt it. What he complained of
was, that no other mode than that :of impressment bad
been yet tried.
Sir J. YORKE. observed, that neither the Hon. Mem-
ber for Hull's florid description of the horrors of impress-
ment, nor his pathetic, but somewhat exaggerated, rela-
tion of seaman, who were so long afloat on the blue waters
that they forgot the colour of the green fields, was neces-
sary to induce him to investigate the subject with a view
to the improvement of the present system, as far as im-
provement was practicable. However, he must complain
that the Noble Lord had chosen a singular time and op-
portunity for introducing the subject, when the House
was about to go into Committee on the Naval E,timates.
--It would have been much better if the Noble Lord bad
asked for a Select Committee. to investigate a matter that
admitted of so much discussion ; and, as the Noble Lord
nsaiatained, called fur such extensive alterations. When.
ever a select Comtpittpe should be called for to examine
the very difficult and knotty question of compulsory service,
he (Sir J. Yorke), would be one of the first to recommend
investigation with a view to improvement, for he was
satisfied that many modes might be devised to mitigate or
do away with a vast deal of the horrors so ably and forcibly
described.

•
Mr. MABERLY spoke of the length of . time during
which the discussion of the Estimates had been deferred.
—,-The whole of them, it was agreed, should be submit-
under the
ted to the consideration of the Finance Committee,
enectation that it would have been able
fully to examinee and report upon the subject this year.
—The House, however, was pow given to understand,
that the Corpruittfe had not gone fully into the evi-
dence connected
with the Estimates. Ent the Committee,
though unable to make a report, was in possession of a
great deal of information, which would, in all probability,
prevent
its Members from voting fur the Estimates, as
now proposed by Ministers, for the adoption of the House.
--Thus the Members of the Finance Committee were in
possession of information not calculated to induce them to
approve of those Estimates, while the House was shut out

from the information referred to. It Insist be allowed ewe:
was a !neat idea of difficulty in the situation of the House
in this respect, yet it was called on to exercise that judg
ment which it would have had to exercise if no Finl,ucx
Committee had ever sat. Again, the Committee must deal
with our existing establishments, and report upon therit as
if the country were in a perfect state of peace (this was ;:n-
-avoidable, for he admitted the Committee had not and ought
not to have any political information upon the subject of
peace or war) ; therefore the House would also have to
judge of the Estimates with respect to the present state of
the country, and without reference to future contingencies.
But the difficulty which the House must feel in dealing
with the Estimates consisted in this circumstance—that
Right Hon Gentleman opposite had not stated in What
state'the country really was at the present moment. 'The
House had received no information on the subject, and yet
it was called on to vote a grant for 30,000 seamen. We
were without the slightest information as to the state
temper of other European Powers—we Only knew that
something like war had taken place, yet we could hardly
pronounce the affair at Navarin the commencement cf
hostilities. We had a large force in the Mediterranean—a
large army—a large body of marines—yet no statement
was offered to enable the House to judge of the propriety
concurring in the votes about to be proposed. Minister,,
before calling upon us to vote away a sum of 20,000,00:21.
for the support of our establishments, ought to say whefair
the country was at war or peace—in a state approximating
to war, or in a condition of profound peace. Before a
single seaman was voted, they ought to state what was the
situation of the other Powers of Europe. Under all cir-
cumstances, it was now for the House to deal with the st:b-
ject exactly as if the Finance Committee were not sitting,
Mr. CALCRAFT declared it to be his fixed opinion,
that impressment was necessary in the navy, under existing
circumstances, and would continue indispensible until some
adequate substitute for the present system was provided.
The principle of compulsory service was also recognised in
our militia system. • From what he could collect, the naval
service was now infinitely snore popular among seamen
than formerly, in consequence of the wants and comforts
of the men being attended to, and great improvements hav-
ing taken place in the whole system. The Hen. Gentle-
man proceeded to argue, that we were not at war. The
occurrence at *Navarin could not be denominated war. Vie
were at peace, though not, perhaps, in a profound peace.
He was not surprised that the Finance Committee ha'd not
made a Report on the subject of the Estimates. It had
now sat three months, and the only Report that had Leen
obtained from it was, that respecting Annuities. He there-
fore thought that the Committee proceeded rather tardily
in its labours, and that the House bad a right to expect
information, which be was sorry to say had not been
afforded. His Hon. Friend who preceded him was in
possession of information obtained as a Member of the Fi-
nance Committee, and could, therefore, discuss the. Es-
timates with additional advantages. I'lowever, he (Mr.
C.) did not think them calculated on too large a scale, or
that the number of seamen proposed was too great, and
should therefore support the vote, except he heard some•
thing to convince him that he ought not to do so. ,
Mr. SYKES explained.

Sir H. PARNELL defended the Finance Committee
from the charge of the want of due diligence or ability in
the course of its labours. It had had already forty-sevoi
sittings ; thirty-eight witnesses had been examined ; it
had ordered the production of three hundred and thirty-
seven accounts, and two thousand sheets p(letter-press, the
results of its investigations, were already actually printed.
Ile thought, therefore, there had been no lack of diligence.
On the subject of ability and decision, with respect to' the
course it was prepared to follow, no blame attached to .the
Committee. It had acted upon the principle that no Re-
port should be made to the House till it was in possesZon
of every thing—to enable it to report with accuracy upon
the important subjects submitted to its consideration. The
Committee was well aware of the wish of the House fur a
report from it on the subject of the public Estimates; and
it had already gone through those of the army, navy, and
ordnance, in a general way. In attempting to prepare
Reports upon those branches of public expenditure, the
Committee found that its inquiries went to such an extant,
as to render it impossible to make any thing like a perfect
Report. Had it originally taken up one branch the reL'ult
might have been different. However, as the case stood, it
appeared that the public business would have been greatly
delayed if the Right Hon. Gentleman had been compelled
to wait for the Committee's Report ; and, aceoriiingly the
present course was resorted to as the best that could be
adopted.
Sir M. W. RIDLEY expressed his opinion that :he
Hen. Baronet had completely justified the Committee from
the charges of negligence and inefficiency. With respect
to the subject of impressment, he was sure that a disposi-
tion existed to remedy as far as possible the evils to which
it gave rice, but at the same time be was completely satis-
fied that it was a power that never ought to be relin-
quished.
Sir JOHN NEWPORT said, that on sitting days the
Finance Committee had seldom or never less than twenty
Members present, who commenced sitting by five minutes
after twelve, and continued in deliberation until four
o'clock, the hour when the House met. It was impossible
for any Committee more fully and diligently to discharge
its duties.

Mr. CALCRAFT explained.
Mr. HUME said it was impossible for one Committee
to do the duty devolved upon this. When he stated to the
House that the Committee had as yet only taken up three
branches of the public service out of twenty that
ought to come before them, and that it had not yet got half
through these, it would be perceived that Hon. Members
must exercise their patience. He had before stated that
several Committees would be necessary to perform the du-
ties devolved upon one. The Hon. Member for Wareham
had as a good a chance for obtaining information as the
Finance Committee, for they had had only before them
official men, who, without attempting to convey any per-
sonal imputation on their honesty, were, generally speak-
ing, disposed to defend the establishments with which they
were connected, with a view to keep them in their pre-
sent condition. In consequence of this, the Committee
had only succeeded in obtaining general information. Un-
der all the circumstances, he thought the House must regret
that so much time had been suffered to pass without taking
the Estimates into consideration. As far as he knew at
present, there Was no intention on the part of Govern-
ment, to reduce a single pound of the expense of any one of
the Estimates. If we went on as we did last year, we
should be unable to pay ottr expenditure without making
use of the loan from the Bank. There was not an amount
of income sufficient to defray the expense of the Estimates
then on the table; and he should, therefore, oppose them
as long as they continued on their present scale. He
called on the Ministers of the Crown to say what reduc-
tiou they contemplated on the whole of the Estimates ; and
he did this because he was aware it rested with the
Minister, and not with the Finance Committee, to reduce
them. The Committee calculated upon what was neces-
sary in a state of peace. And he was ready to say, that,
country really
hse,n
be
seen
whether we could spare a single man.
if we were in a state of peace, we only required the same
number of seamen as we had in 1793. Why ask for
thirty thousand seamen if we were in a state of peace? If
(as the declaration then made would lead us to believe),
we were in that condition, the establishments of the countly
were too great. The state of our resources pointed cut
retrenchment as necessary. The Ministers ought to de-
as it re-
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our whatforceoi i
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Sir F. BURDETT appeared at the bar and stated, tha_
House for a Conference with their Lordships on the sub-
ject of the resolution agreed to by the House relative tO
he Ahatdthbiesenp
the laws affecting his Majesty's Roman Catholic subjects :
and that their Lordships had stated their intention to send
an answer by Messengers of their own.
The Sergeant then advanced to the table, accompanied
by the Lords' Messengers, and their Lordships' answer was
read to the House. It stated that their Lordships do
agree to the conference with the Commons, as desired by
the Commons' Message of this day—and accordingly do
appoint the same to take place at half-past five of the clock,
on Monday next, in the Painted Chamber.
The Lords' Messengers having , retired, the debate on
going Into Committee on the NaVy. Estimates was resumed..
Mr. V. FITZGERALD observed, the Hon. Member
for Montrose had stated that it was impossible for the
Finance Cominittee to diminish the amount of the esti-
mates, and added, that the right of determining that point
rested with his Majesty's Government. Now he (Mr. Y.
•
Fitzgerald) most say, the decision upon this subject rested
neither with the Finance ConsMittee, nor with his Ma-
jesty's Government, but with Parliament. There Was no
wish on the part of the Government to throw any difficulty
in the way of inquiry, or to prevent the examination of
.any person able to give information. The lien. Member
:for Aberdeen bad stated his main principle to he, that the
Naval service required no more men now than was re-
quired in 1792. Now, without considering that the
Naval powers of other countries had grown up, and as-
sumed an important aspect, he would merely leave the
House to consider, whether the
principles of the Hon.
Member were just or not. He believed, that the best course
the Finance Committee could have taken was to recom-
mend this grant to be received by the House, without

makii..g any report, which at present they were not Pr"
pared t..) make.
Mr. WILAIOT HORTON observed, that the l
Melilla,: fur Aberdeen had informed the House that
House end the country would be disappointed, as tati,
statement to he hereafter made by the Finance 11;
mittee. If there were any disappointment, it would
the fau:tof the Hon. Member, and these Hon. (leaden
by whom his views were supported, for they had oftenbi
out to the country ideas that the expencea of the etf,
blislimeat of the country could be curtailed to the •Ote";
of between seven and eight millions. If, therefore, t
public were disappointed, it would be in consequence 1'
such representations. He (Mr. W. Horton) would !e'l, •
the Houae and the country must certainly be disappoiow
if it were imagined that we could keep faith with to
public c editor and pensioner, and effect a saving of betce,
seven and eight millions. There could not be a shadoo,a
the foundation for such a supposition, and he entered
.h
protest against it. He considered it would be unwen;
of the House to take the partial case of a particular Ye
and open that partial ease to reduce our establiabraent, 7
The Hca. Member for Aberdeen had asserted that
Finance Committee had yet only looked into some snasteo
without acting upon any. Now, certainly, it might
said of the Ordnance Department, that it had been pleltaf
as clean 2.51 possible. The Finance Committee had alro
done mml good, and it was not just to speak of it as be't'
unworthy the confidence of the country.
Mr. LIARING differed very materially both frouoV
Hon. Member for Aberdeen, and the Hon. Member ogr
site (Mr. W. Horton), each of whom wished to make it
pear to fue House that little good was to be expected f('
the labours of the Finance Committee. On the contra'
he considered that much good would be done by it,
that, although it had not yet suggested any reduction Ws,'
naval force, it had already effected considerable and import
ant saving. Whether this assertion was borne out would ,V
seen hereafter. But the House must not think that t'•
Committee had been for several days looking into tbl
matters, yet had done no good by their labours. He thogil
the country would derive considerable benefit from
appointment. This Committee was one of the few Cl',
mittees o. Finance that had been formed on fair princil'S •
one of the few which was not hampered by some pan
of Government, who upon all questions whipped up 91,10
some counter-propositiou, and carried it by his naajoito
The Ccannittee was perfectly fair—every questioo 'tot
fairly put, and fairly answered. If the Non. Member s
Aberdeen had had the appointment of that Couasnittalv
(Mr. Baring) thought its Members were just those
would have selected.
Mr. W. HORTON, in explanation, observed, that VII,
only referred to a contemplated saving of seven or 14,
millions out of fourteen millions; a reduction which '`,
utterly impracticable.
Colonel DAVIES thought that considerable saving 41 tb
public expenditure might be effected by the Finance CAA':
mittee, athough he considered that the saving of seven 'or
eight millions, or any thing like that sum, was totally
or
of the question. He hoped the evidence taken before t
Finance Committee was to be printed.
Mr. JOHN WOOD was at that moment in posses
of facts, which showed that that House aught not to /Ili
Itr
the Estimates of •the year until they saw what was tic
extent of the money likely to come into the Exeheques
the course of the next two years. The statement to V7P'‘i
he bad alluded chewed, that in 1827, there was adeticieo`'i
of 127,0001., entirely independent of the five milliors'
Sinking Fund. It was, therefore, dear that that
Fund was as delusion, since, besides the amount of Iv%
Fund, there was such a large deficit in the Revenue.,,l
sum of 4,445,0001. was borrowed last year on the L''r
Weight, and 6,842,000/. were raised upon Excheti
Bills. Out of that Fund the five millions of the Sink;
Fund were raised ; and yet, besides that, there was the
ficiency to which he had already alluded. As to t're
prospects for the year 1828, the calculation was, that rb:ti
would be a deficiency of 3,386,000/., as far as regarded a
Sinking Fund, but even that was upon the suppo6iii°,;
that in the next year the Revenue and the expendis,.,
would be equally balanced. The scheme to pay the denj
was to harrow under this bargain, with the Bank, a t"ji
and front whom, lie would ask ? from any one who wet'be
be fool enough to lend it. In 1829, the bargain with I
Bank would cease, and of that bargain he would say, sh!'o
it was one, which tended more than any other, to the rue,
of the country. A more improvident bargain had Pet'ej,
been entered into, and he trusted it would not be reaef?,.
These estimates, had all been calculated on the suppos,";
that this., country would remain at peace. What, till;
would become of the country, if they were plunged into
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horrors of a war—if they should be obliged, by any citet!.A,
stances, to take a part that would lead them to that drt
fist calamity, which impending events made it but 'too le
bable wcs not far distant. With that prospect, if the HO'
perform:A its duty to the people—if it was in truth tl'e
representative of the people—it would not vale one farthi',
for the Estimates snore than was shown to be necesaarY'

Mr. W. HORTON again explained.
Lord HOWICK thought that the House must exefei
some disappointment, from the nature and multiplicity
the labours they had imposed upon the Finance Commits
and if they were disappointed, they, and not the Conaoo,4/
tee, must bear the blame. He did not think the Fil3o;
Conan-liLee was the proper place to consider all the subjec
that were put before them, nor to say, in every instau°
what were the establishments the country required. Ho l
for instance, could they be required to say whether the
ll "'"d
possible means, at the least expense, were taken to keep "'i
the efficiency of the naval establishments? To arrive"
that conclusion, they must depend upon the scientific 'W
formation of men who knew what was required in 8)1'
building, in victualling the vessels, and in a variety
other subjects, with which only scientific Dien could hl
acquainted. He did not agree with the Right I.fon. Gen:
tleman, that certain establishments should be kept (JP '
any state of the finances ; but he thought that the CI
mittee ought to inquire what was the amount of td;
national income, and the expenditure should then be ,
to meet it. In fact, the House had been wrong in yotir
the estinaates for six months, without any knowledge °it 1
means of meeting these estimates.
Mr. EERRIES would not have risen but for the br°4le4
proposition stated by the Noble Lord who had just resou,',
11;s seat. • Front that proposition he most positively (1'
seated. It amountied)revinioufasclyt
jtoustthifiise,dtlibaytanioitrooonfeoffsirtital
ought to- exist in the shape of public revenue, unle°
such
1,
possible to imagine
It was neither constitutional nor practicable. A
was the duty of the Crown to state what it intended CO ",,a'
and of the House of Commons to consider.what was
escoxali:uettee:nce%6l,aBdi
necessity.
been
;low
was i t
sary for the support of the honour and dignity of the "ti"
vernment. He agreed with the Hon. Member for Ca
lington, that if the House and the country were to Put;
from what had passed to-night of the harmony, °I t„;
Finance Committee, of their attention to their inipuri3";
duties, and of the manner in which they resorted to ever!,
means of obtaining information, they would form a v 4,13
erroneous opinion. Of the few Members of this Con''t"j
who had spoken, each had dissented from the other, a's.
some had exhibited a warmth of manner which was V'
unknownin that Committee. He had not attended Plina's
of the Committees of that House, but he would say
he never had attended any where there was so much
spirit of concord and good humour as in the Finance LA' I,
usittee. After be witnessed that, he moat confess e:
certainly was surprised at the attack made upon the cul'uusy,
of the Committee by the Hon. Member opposite, thr°,i,
ing out, ~s he had dune, hints that no good could be 8,91 0
cipated from a Committee so conducting itself. 14.,1e0,
the lion. Member talked of the way in which evidence,"
given before that Committee, and spoke of it as siseles;"
lie (Mr. Ilerries) should be glad to know, if it was
less, who was to blame ? Who but the rim 3103;
himself; for, if the evidence was not sufficient for the Puo
pose, all he could say was, that the Hon. Member, wto
was better acquainted with what was necessary, oug!'t„e,?
have communicated his own knowledge to the Ci'irnta'hj
and have. called for fresh evidence.—(llear.)—rie
not but complain of the unfairness of the Members tte
'
Committee coining down to the House and using the 103°''
ledge they obtained in the Committee : but some
still worse had been done, for he declared that time stmt
moat which had been read to the House was a I°4--
garbled statement of the result of the evidence given bel,
the Committee. Lie would only say at present, that
conclusions to which the honourable Member hail artict;
were quite unfounded. Ile denied the statement of tio,
Hon. Member with regard to the deficiency of ',O
Revenue, and when the time arrived, he would Kite; iet
a full discussion upon the financial state of the coatis()
riand show that what the Honourable Member had fTio I
was not the statement of the finance Committee, or ':t
was, that it was erroneous. A view of the finances of of
year, and the Estimate of the following was the labourvei,
one individual, and the result stated by the Hon. •Meal,.
was different from that which had been read to the floyot
He had only risen to protest against the principle state got
the Noble Lord, which he thought was one that could ',le,
fur an instant be acknowledged as either proper or Pr
ticabl in the gornment of this countil
Mr.e MABERLY explained, that the. statemeut
the Honourable Member for Preston haul read was 1; yid
to that Honourable Member by himself, and lie Wo
vouch for its correctness.
Mr. WOOD denied that he was capable of garbling°l
extract, as stated by the Right Hon. Gentleman. le
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)n the contra()
done by it,
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able and import
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ught not to
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amount of S1)14
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of the Sink°
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Lx. as regarded.oo,
the supposiiiii.
the expendio,i,
to pay the de6l:o,
he Bank, a
r one who sou
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bargain wttb
would say',
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xgain had PO",,
not be revive"
u the supposito:
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tb:
d, by any eiteti_.o
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unto that dye.
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was in truth
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