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would be prudent to form any ill considered or Ingr.
fitable plans in that country. - The subject had engage°;
the anxious attention of the Government, and he trustee
the Hon. Baronet after this explanation would not press
his motion.
Sergeant MURPHY said he had likewise the gall;
fication of meeting the deputation to which the lug
Hon. Baronet alluded, and he hoped and believed thel
would construct an effective line of railway from Dublinto Cashel. It was, indeed, a great desideratum to%
such a plan should be carried into operation. lie trustel
that when these gentlemen came to the House prepare'
with a Bill, the House would give it a favourable receP;
ton. The Hon. Baronet who made the motion preferrea
Galway for a port and terminus. He (Sergeant OW
phy) preferred Cork, and considered it by far the 111°re
eligible.
After a few words from Sir HOWARD DOUGLAS .0
Sir VALENTINE BLARE in explanation, the motion e
withdrawn.

RAILWAYS.
The SPEAKER then called on Mr. -Wallace, whose
name stood next on the paper, for the following motion
—" To postpone the moving an instruction to the Cow'
mittee on Railways until after the discussion of the gene;
ral question shall have taken place on the 29th ; and °-
that day to call the attention of the House to the exist;
ing state of the communication by railway thoughon
the kingdom, as shown in a pamphlet entitled
Reform,' and move that a commission be appointed, °
inquire into the management of the present lines, en'
report thereon to the two Houses of Parliament.
Mr. GLADSTONE hoped the Hon. Gentleman 11'0114
postpone the discussion upon this subject for a Shle
time, as there was at present a Committee sitting on Ite
subject of railways. _Be felt, therefore, that it would,.
cussion, and not enter into
better if the Hon. Gentleman would postpone this cuss
he subject at the presea

moment.
brig
Mr. WALLACE said he would endeavour to
the subject forward on that day three Weeks.
The motion was then postponed.
Colonel SIBTHORP rose, but
fore the
The SPEAKER said there was no motion
House.
Colonel SIBTHORP—Then, Sir, I am sorry till
Member withdrew his motion.—(Laughter.)
THE CLONTARF MEETING.
Colonel RAWDON then rose to bring forward
following resolution :—" That it is the opinion oat
House, upon considering the lateness of the perioac,
which was issued the proclamation of the Irish Gov Ting
ment, intended to prevent the assembling of a Ineelijos
announced to be holden at or near Clontarf on the
ns
day of October, 1843 ; that a risk of disastrous cepsooo
was incurred, and a precedent thereby created clang,er
to the lives and liberties of her Majesty's subjects. ‘;`4
felt that some expression of opinion on the part of `hit
House ought to go forth to the public, with respect,
the manner in which the proclamation against the Inela.
ing to be held at Clontarf, in October last, was issue ent
The charge he had to bring against the Governal_,.
with respect to this proclamation was one of supine:l;
and inactivity in their proceedings. It was well line„,,
that the proclamation was not issued until the 74
latest moment, although there was nothing that °ens
have prevented its being issued sooner if the Goveraleern,
had so pleased. He was there to deny that the Gelehes
ment took proper steps for the promulgation of
proclamation. From a letter he had received that U ply
it appeared, that the earliest moment at which the P„0
clamation was issued was three o'clock in the aftertnn
of the day before that on which the meeting weStd,
be held. The moment that proclamation was Kegs
Mr. O'Connell read it at the meeting at the t osExchange, and immediately messengers were sell the
to post up a warning to the people not to attend j.
meeting. He (Col. Rawdon) had received conratois
cations from the persons employed to post up
eald
warning that was issued by Mr. O'Connell, and he lc 00
take the liberty of reading those communications W •
House. (The HOn. and Gallant Gentleman then readsea
'number of letters from various persons. One Witt
stated, that at eight o'clock on the evening of the the
of October, he was seven miles from Dublin, and be
proclamation had not then arrived. Another saluoter
arrived at a town ten miles from Dublin, at a gill
to eleven o'clock at night, and no proclamation had to
rived then. Another messenger, who was dispaten ver
post up the warnings said, at seven o'clock in the e ,a
ing the proclamation had not arrived at Maynootbt-
at eight o'clock on the Sunday morning, the
which the meeting was to be held, no proclamatiou
arrived at Blanchard's Town—a place about four fished
from Dublin.) Now, these persons who bad furnvietf
him (Colonel Rawdon) with these statements
ready to make oath as to their 5;44,,
Messengers were dispatched in all directions by - lt
sociation when the proclamation was first issuedtll the
the people who were already on the'move tow& 'coif.
place appointed for the meeting ; and when Mr. 0
thef
nell's counter proclamation was shown to then4.,,,-ibi
said they did not put any faith in it, and that it nn'tistil
a hoax got up by the Orange party; and it was net„,,tlei
the arrival of Mr. Steele that they could be pegs most
..
to return, and thus prevent the recurrence of Sef
appalling massacre. He hoped the Noble Lord Tonso
cretary for Ireland would be able to convince the been
that this proclamation could not possibly have eon',
issued at an earlier period, otherwise they we' ther'
elude that the people, whether through neglect or e_A the
wise, had not had sufficient warning. He allow t•
necessity of a Government exercising energy and Protoce,
ness, but he thought also that, in the first ins :0011.
inAtnhngedvr,
vast
ttsahhlnetorhuuompl
udabgrehhtrsa vooteffh beenepEenrvgs
vessel
sanmsnseodl
had
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they
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also conveyed a large body of troop's, who Zill(relele
over in order that they might be in readineSs fors
Clontarf meeting. Now, he thought it was 111-701- the
on the part of the Government, not to have
determination of the Government be known,
respect to the Clontarf meeting, and thus Previeote
s.onit
these poor men from leaving their work. DonnY f/t
was as near, if not nearer, to Dublin than Clelltar.,;tieg
no prohibition had been issued against the Inv—thst
there. lie was sure that no lawyer would dell The
there was an inconsistency in the proclamation. ~00
people of Wales were meeting in the most tutiltwiong
manner, destroying toll-bars and toll-houses, attadceora
the houses of individuals, and setting fire to hay enhreat,
ricks, and in many instances compelling people by 'in Ire
of personal violence to give them money; while
land every one of the meetings was most pea
stltp
orderly, and they only met in accordance with the onOe ogle
tional principle which recognised the right of the r es4We
to petition for the repeal of a statute. 110"
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proclamation only called upon the civil officers, all,urb•
sheriffs, bailiffs, and the like, to repress the diet •
ances. Now, the Irish proclamation was of guile of
differentr Ireland
nd to
n
e echaracter,edlne
thatand a suchas
differentto induce the Pee I:„irit
I
pr
in the law existed with respect to thatinccoipulnetr7n*
respect to the course pursued by Mr. O'Connell "'icon'
coadjutors, he thought it displayed a very excellea 0 is
ciliatory feeling, for when a Protestant clergY.tyie4
Dublin complained that the procession, wir
towards Clontarf, would disturb and annoy his Ventle"
gation at their devotions, the Hon. and Learned of the
man at once changed the route. In consequeneei erisi°
delay of the issue of the proclamation, a truly feer'reiest'
had arrived. He hoped the House would not, by cote
cote
ing this resolution, induce the people of Ireland the;
elude that it was careless about the interests el n its
portion of the empire, but that it would place it tiged
journals. He felt convinced that they had eseorforta;
horrible slaughter—a slaughter which, if it had lip, Ow
nately occurred, had been a sad blow to the gyc'ec,tslo.l
prosperity of the empire generally, and would Pre abli
Irish people from ever again appealing Pe_rac!. bear,4,7
England for a redress of their grivances.—Vie'od t"'"
Mr. V. STUART said he felt bound to seta not,motion of his Hon. and Gallant Friend. lie sh to if
he thought, be doing his duty to his constituent
did not thus record his opinions in favour of that wood hi
The House would perceive from what bad been et°
his Hon. and Gallant Friend, that the notice was _4 the
at a time when it was impossible that it could rev; the
thousands who were already preparing to thronCit tha
ot al" ded
meeting. The Government were in possession faun a
information upon which the indictment was ae
against the principal agitators three weeks be'' at the
it was their duty to have issued the drawn by
time, and not to allow persons to be drawn bY ere'
within the meshes of the law.—(Cheers.) Tlivgirdialo,
bers of the Irish Government, who were the theta:
of the public peace, ought not to have scatterei_ictoats
selves, one here, one there, and the Lord I:l,_u elsir
the It
himself to be absent at the very moment when,. tot d
ger arrived.—(Hear, hear.) He really thought wand
would be better to have no Lord Lieutenant In"„onsibLo
to leave the Government in the hands of a rest 't
Minister, than to maintain a system which' w 0 duty
badly.—(Hear, hear.) He thought it was thehowel
the House to express its opinion by a voteteenad
small might be the minority. lie, therefore, .
the motion. being
obliged
dd EtoLrleOpTeahttadnetoaralypovloegrbisaetitmo,tthhee IlsteauteserfiSts—eldi:
first by his Right Hon. Friend,. and again by neatest
the course of the nine nights' debate. Yet In fro 013),
to the Hon. and Gallant Officer, rather than eat the,
consideration respecting himself, he would reponoor
" twice told tale." He thought, however, it was inet
after a nine nights' discussion upon the whole subs,,rt 0f
get up debates, and to take divisions upon eaesatit
it in detail.—(Tory cheers.) First, the 11°!1%, had IA
lant Officer complained that the proclamatt?, vioa
been published in the Gazette--a proceeding ivn:iO ailn
have been wholly useless he ventured to say, as
of ewe
in Ireland read the Gazette. The next coin _d the
respecting the absence of the Lord Lieutenant:eir abe,
Lord Chancellor, but it was well known that to re'
sence was caused by illness, which oblige,cll7o, e first
pair to England. It was also coniplaineatus'uonon:
meeting suppressed was one which had been
ready been informed that the requisition issuedw__
address t
instance, and signed by those clergymen, r,„iv, ,
by 2 7 Catholic priests. Bnt surely the llouisne trie first
to the inhabitants of the district of Fingal
OPIe
afterwards notices were issued calling on trincke
it e
the surrounding counties to assemble, all Eliot) el7t:i
this meeting, thus called with military phras,e;lnd cla!!"
amloonnesteart Dinuebeltiinn,gb.utAsutchthwaats thimisestbreog°cornuvi be
marshalled in military array, was an illegal have bell,
gerous one, that if necessary he should not
be reeriPooll
tated for one moment to take upon himself urita
bility of preventing it. (hear, hear.) J- air;
xchane, „,_tte
placard was sanctioned by the Corn E , .rt the I"
from the Corn Exchange ; it appeared
in
r
paper, which was the organ of the Repeal ~at par_
(Cries of " No, no.") He begged pardon. lgrected
was the paper which the repeal warclens were_d to ci!e_ut,
patronise, to take in for the Association, E, it
late.-(Hear,f hear.) That placard h (s of
immediately forwarded to his Right Hoi.t.:rt
catniodntot
James Graham), and who would deny t1:1 have en
such a nature that the Government won-u eede"
.cated its powers, had it allowed it to Pas°