The Sun.
London, England, 1844-07-23 00:00:00

THE CASE OF DALMAS.

In reply to a question from Captain poLmET,,
Sir J. GRAHAM said he had no hesitation in stating
that he did advise her Majesty, in mercy, to grant a
reprieve in the case of Dalmas, but he should cbject to
laying on the table the information on which a had
given that advice.

•
1841, when the Whigs left office, with what it is 111.
1844, when the Tories are in :—Ships, of the line, 9 ;
frigates, 32 ; sloops, 34 ; brigs, 31 ; armed steamers,
32 ; other vessels, 10. What was the answer the Go-
vernment returned in the other House of Parliament
when asked why there was not a greater naval force in
the Mediterrenean, there being four French ships of _
line and frigates capable of colitaining 12,000 men
there ? The Earl of Haddington replied that iinfor-
tunately a concentration of naval force was required 01!
the coast of Ireland. He did not contend with the Earl
of Haddington who had been transferred from the cad
of the Orange flag to that of the Union—lick. He
not complain of Lord Haddington's desire to keep.'-'-
strong force in Ireland ; but he exclaimed against ta
policy which perverted the affections of a people whez
un ler different treatment, would be a bulwark of strengto
instead of a source of weakness.—(Hear.)
nothing against the French, who were a noble,_ high-
minded people ; nor against that Minister of Fran_e'
who was even pre-eminent among those gifted nien.ai
He would sal
whom he was surrounded, not only for his great ger/
intelligence, thought, and writings, but for honour an
hon es t-- y.(He ar, h ear.) The Right Hon. G ell tl,elnift
then vindicated the conduct of Lord Palmerston. wa,e, a.
was said, had compromised the interests of Ellglan.o
He was happy to witness so much profession of diploinatl
endearment, but he could not discover that anythitata
material had been gained. On the contrary, it w° ace
appear that the right of search, which had been
on
conceded by M. Guizot to this country, had been recently
withheld ; for had not British influence been lost in
Spain ?—had the rscurial become an app n°
urtenance ,
Me Tuileries ?—(Hear, hear)—and in barbarie
States, had not the power of England been reduced t°
the " vaaishiug point. ?"—(Hear, hear.) lie had dte;,
The Right Hon. Gentleman concluded by moving -
return, showing. the amount of British ships ill th!.3.7eoi
diterranean in July, 1844, and also that the new scale
duties imposed on English shipping and English Ina'''.
factures in Algiers be laid on the table of the House.

Sir C. NAPIER seconded the motion. •
Sir R. PEEL commenced by saying that he vvouldn;
observe upon the expressions of regret of the
Hon. Gentleman, who said he felt himself compelle4oni.
a sense of duty to bring forward the present /31110,
He did not think it was at all prudent in the Right
i_ll
Gentleman to bring forward the motion at a time wntile
they were doing all they could to prevent any
whichll°'
collision between France and Morocco—anything er
might be injurious to the integrity of Morocco, or cool,
promise the political or commercial interests of
country. He must say that 'the discussions in this
the other House of Parliament had, by exciting !tuns.„
feelings of the people of the two countries, greatly ki
peded the efforts of the Governments of France "13
England.--(Hear, hear.) He would not of course i°,l;
pute to the Right Honourable Gentleman any desire o',
stir up those feelings of enmity, or embitter 0.11!12;140
cities. He must of course acquit the Right Honotre
Gentleman, but he must say that no course was nlbe
calculated to promote those evils than that whichrrhe
Right Hon. Gentleman pursued.—(Hear, hear.) "he
Right Hon. Baronet then alluded to the terms of the
original motion, which he supposed the Right 1.6
Gentleman had changed in consequence of his 44
Robert Peel's) observations, on Friday 11.,,tbc
on the extraordinary nature of that motion. The .01010
Hon. Gentleman bad moved for a Select Committee
inquire under what circumstances the French had eof
come possessed of Algiers, and how far the extension
French conquest was consistent with the interests -
this country. Why, what would be said in this coup
if Select Committees were appointed in the F.d.rell,:g
Chambers to inquire how far our conquests in Lti°,;;,
Kong: were consistent with French interests.—(' the
hear.) The Right Hon. Gentleman then explained
nature nature of the communications which had taken P'`',3o
between Lord Stuart de Rothesay and the Prineecur
Polignac on the invasion of Algiers by the French un
Charles the Tenth, in which the Prince gave full es%
ance to the English Minister, after the success ef
French arms there, that acquisition of territory t;
not the object of French invasion, but redress ferias
injury, and there was every reason to place the fr„„s,
credit on that assurance. In July, 1830, the Bourn,-es
and the Conservative Government which 15"'
out of office a few days after, at once „
cognised the Government of Louis Phil"Pte•
A new dynasty was placed on the Throne with the go 0
will of the French people. The continental Powers tq ;
wavering as to the course which they should null—neli
and this country seeing that the will of the Fre: of
people was unequivocally expressed as to the changnil
dynasty, gave an example to the continentalPowerni
recognised the change which took place. The
Hon. Gentleman would advise them to take that eMo
tunity of obtaining satisfactory explanations from Frim-A 00
with regard to Algiers. Communications had pass' 0-•
that subject between the British and French .Gov the
ments after that event. Lord Aberdeen moved foruen
correspondence in the House of Lords in 1832, wet
Lord Grey was et the head of the Government, blit'op
the request of Lord Grey, he withdrew his motion, Aee
the 15th of November, 1830, Lord Grey came into ee,
with both the Noble Lords whom he saw opposite. TUt
were in possession of power for eleven years ; they in
all the facts before them ; and yet they acquiesceu
.„„
the military occupation of Algiers by the Frellebeie;
(Hear, hear.) No remonstrance was made against,.*the
occupation. They stated that if the conquests 05. di
French in Africa were limited to the territory of AlgleA,
it would not endanger the harmony and goad understen'
ing which existed between the British and French
mG°'„,
vernments." He did not mean to thef
4"; 1:
Government for that, seeing how dbelsairabe le it
to maintain the government of Louis Pilei;
Lippe in France, and that tho demand i°
fulfilling the engagements of Mons. Polignac would le;
cite irritable feelings on the part of the French Pe°Pers
But did not the acquiescence in the possession of ATife,
by the French, for eleven years, make the greatest
Ga
rence in that question.—(Hear, hear.) And the late eP
vernment had notice of the intention of France to Iw4
possession of Algeria ; for, in answer to a question Pt'.
by Marshal Clausel to Marshal Soult, in 1833, inteti
French Chambers, Marshal Soult said that the Fr,,ne',„o..
Government were in favour of the colonisation of Jibe
via ; that up to the present moment they had nnt
slightest intention of evacuating Algeria, and that or
whole course of their conduct showed that they 011°4
plated its permanent occupation, and that theY,eir
nothing to fear from any one who might meditate tore,
disturbance. disturbance. The British Government were, there'd
aware of the intentions of France as to the retentie...nl;! 5$
Algeria, and yet they made no remonstrance sg7„pe!
it. But, considering the position of Louis riwto, to
he did not think the Government of Earl Grey oc
Melbourne had acted unwisely in agreeing in the (*sot
pation of Algeria. They made no remonstrance', der
their Consul now, as formerly continued, to net"' re'
an exequatur. The Right Hon. Gentleman then
ferred to an ordinance of the 16th December last' ~d
posing a duty on the introduction of British good`,,Ptio
imposing discriminating duties with regard to Oiled
and French ships. This ordinance was not dire, of
against British ships in particular, but against thossai,l
all other nations ; but the Right Hon. Gentlemanrilr
n
that the important thing was the principle of the " be.
nance. But he would prove that was decided long
fore. -

Mr. SHEIL—In 1835. le'
Sir ROBERT PEEL—Yes, the Right lion. aentlio
man did not allude to the ordinance of 1835 e

Mr. SIIEIL—They are two distinct facts. ace
Sir ROBERT PEEL said he admitted the or and
of 1843 was more important, but as to its wordingstleo
the principle involved, it Was the same as the orcli.l this
I°'
of 1835. He deeply regretted the exercise od
power by the French, and that regret had been sigillogitt
to the French Government.—(Hear.) Then the the
Hon. Gentleman paid a great compliment t° le
King of the French and the French Pe%isa
and he said he was afraid the same °° Wei
would be pursued with regard to Morocco whie'oer
pursued with respect to Algiers. The Right
tleman had a great advantage over him in this rr'saa
He could not speak his opinions with that latitua%ter
freedom which he could indulge in with regard to i
sit
nal politics, for after the experience of the last ,ro'
weeks he found that he could not do so withou,,t rSOV
yoking feelings amongst the French people, and wee
jetting the French Government to taunts that theYartr
mere instruments in the hands of the British Gr°,'the
ment, and subjecting them to such accusations ZiciP
Right Hon. Gentleman bad directed towards the P'
Government.--(Hear, hear.) But they had publicors
clarations made in the face of Europe, and if thtellf
of no avail—if there was no respect for national,
—treaties would have very little effect. Deeina,rh qho;
had been made in the face of Europe by the FlT't-c,
vernment similar to what had been notified j `",
British Government, that the French had ll° ue- Xl°/1
proceed to hostilities—that they were most of
we
to maintain peace, and had no national calls° °Olt
or conflict with Morocco. He saw by theteroell-to'
Hon. Gentleman that he distrusted these sti",",-
l
After the elaborate compliments which he had ibe.°,o
the King of the French and to the French people' V
not think he ought
sirous to sneer at those declarations' i 0
Right Hon. Gentleman seemed de •of 03111 10'
his popularity with the French people when h; Souse
visited Paris, without losing his patriotism in t'
of Commons.—(Laughter.)
Mr. SHEIL—I did not sneer. I said nothinglitiesoll,
Sir R. PEEL knew that the Right Hon- Gen natlio
said nothing, but the Right Hon. Gentleman war or
n,
rally so eloquent, that a shrug of his sit" crop gill
sneer on his face was as expressive as languagt3_niarecl_a
other.—(Laughter.) Monsieur Guisot had cic__,,nt
the French Chambers that the French Govern7,,tby,
no views of conquest with regard to More the terifila
had no views of territorial aggrandisement, as ge 5,0
tory of Algeria was quite sufficient for France. sort, ‘;',o
that they disclaimed cherishing any views of tu,' Aforot7,B
they merely demanded from the Emperor oLotier
that they should live in peace and their I,ltroopo_7,
secure. They demanded that the assembling oiia be P';'f
_
the agents of Morocco or Abd-el.Kader riglitsna
vented, that those officers who, contrary to tiled Ivy
u nations, had attacked them, should be I'l were 41
punished, and that if the Emperor of Morocoy_ oolt.
sirous of giving an asylum to Abd-el-lacler,orto
hot.;
be directed to repair to the interior
should
sea-coast, and that a fixed residence.s steret
be assigned him, and that guaralld not a` the
be given that from a friendly state he wnch were the
his attacks on another friendly state.
_o_unaniit in on'
intimations giren by the French Governor Rightforce•
most frank and unreserved manner. .1
nacalere
Gentleman had adverted to the state of the!_cted. TPO6
and taunted them with their leaving it ireencontrYthey
was no doubt, that seeing the revenue ohtetti'
coon trY'
insufficient to meet the expenses of the as as iented
thought it'right to husband the publichanr
not ne,fie sva4
as possible ; but he thought that they
In 1838 serfie°
the exigencies of the public service.
_fficient ~et set l*
now speaking of grants for the c
vice and the revenue service)—in 85,0001'.
of the navy, discarding the estiTatleB3
this effect of the naval service Was 3,0
fsort e
,ePsta.l,6s;atteyeforoi