The Sun.
London, England, 1819-03-30 00:00:00

MR, WYNI)UAM QUIN.

On Sir ROBERT WILSON'S Motion, the Order of
the Day fur caking into consideration tire Matter
of the Complanui against Mr. Wyndlatet Quin was
read. lie then moved, that the said Matter of
Complaint he now taken into consideration.
IVYNDHANI QUIN rose, hat from emotion
was for sonic time ree,tdible in the Gallery. When
lie could be Incited, he was understood to state,
that when he had last addressed the House, he
had confined himself to the matter of the petition
of which he held a copy, and had declared that
tt'e charges of eoiroption brought against him
were not founded in tact, and that he was not
guilty of the practices laid to his account. He
had hero accused of breaking op the emoluments
of the office of Clerk of the Peace, in order to
distribute them .autong persons whose influence
wuuld -he at his command It was true that be
Ina,l an; one charge upon that office. It was but
one, anal was for the benefit of young Grady him-
selt...--.lt was, therefore, hard that that particular
charge should he brought against him as a crime
by the very person for whom it was intended. it
hat: not even originated with himself. It had been
suggested to bins by others, and he had adopted
the suggestion tvirlt pleasure, because he 'wished
well to yoking Grady. When lie had proposed
the 2001. a-year to Mr. 'l'. W. Grady, however,
it was without any stipulation whatever, or
any contract for his political support. It was
solely out of regard to him, and not in conse-
quence of any claim founded on auy pro-
raises which he had given. lie was aware that
an altegett promise formed no part of the charge
against hint ; but as it had been made to appear
that it be had not made a promise, he bad said
something so near it as to lead Mr. T.W. Grady
astray with respect to his intentions, be trusted
Cie House would allow him to say a few words
on the subject.—(hear I)—He had never, never
intended to lead young Mr. Grady astray. He
bad never said any thing which could bear that
interpretation. He knew that when parts of sen-
tences were brought together they might be made
to express what had never been intended,
Even Mr. Grady, sen. had attempted to put on
him a statement of a conversation which bad
taken place between them the day before, which
was entirely incorrect. A letter which he. bad
written to Mr. Grady on that occasion would
show that he had never endeavoured to mislead
either of those Gentlemen. It was in answer to
MC from Mr. Grady, who stated, that he had
suddenly been called from Dublin or Liverpool.
Ile then read a letter, in which, after stating that
the pretended recapitulation of their previous con-
versation was incorrect, lie added, " if you un-
derstood that what I said amounted to a promise
of not disturbing your son, you are utterly mis-
taken. I never made your son any promise to
*rive him office or not to remove him. On the
contrary, I told him that I might be obliged to
remove him, and 1 hav'e iofterieed Mr. R. Smith,
that it I have the power I will appoint,: him
Clerk of tie Peace. This I shall certainly do."
Whatever the [louse might think of him on other
subjects, be
.should feel still more burt anti
galled at the idea that lie had led any one astray.
Mr. T. W. Grady had never discharged the du-
ties of the office. He (Mit. Q.) had appointed
oae.who would, and did discharge them, and who,
therefore, now kept the situation. The proposal
Lad been communica:ed to youme Grady without
any reservation whatever. At first he had not
seemed inclined to accept it, but afterwards two
Gentleitnen had called on him (Mr. Quin) and dis-
cussed the subject in such a manner as to leave
him with an impression that it was agreed to by
all purties. It was tutelar such an impression
that he had quitted. the country. This was
in the month of July, and as they bad stated
that yon ag Grady conceived that he could not
be rennovrd, and would be much embarrassed
if the removal took place immediately, against his
expectations, he (Mr. Quin) had postponed it, and.
Suffered too months to elapse without making out
tine new appointment. In September he had re-
ceived a letter from Mr. Carew Smith, entreating
Ono lie would call on him, as he (Mr. C.) en-

tertained en expectation that be could show that
he (Mr. Quin) could not remove Mr. T. W.
Grady. The answer sent to this letter was, that
he (Mr. Quin) should be happy to see Mr. C.
Smith, hot that be .should immediately appoint
Mr. Richard Smith to the office of (.4erk of the
Peace.. ,it. Carew
.Smille had called on the 21st
September, and after ell had been discussed dis-
tinctly, had said something about political support.
He (Mr. Quin) had then stated that he hoped
and expected Mr. Greily would continue to give
bitn his support. lie would, perhaps, have
beet► a more .prudent man had he never enter-
taitted or expressed such a hope ; but he had ne-
ver thotieht of making it a condition ; neither had
he conceived that toe petitioner or any (ohm
could possibly take it in that point of view. Had
his motives been corrupt he would have gone
very differently to .w- k. That, however, had
laid the foundation for all the misrepresentations
which had since been eireula'ed. For it had been
assumed by the petititeler, that be had stipulated
for his political support, though he (Mr. Q.) had
repeatedly informed him that that was not the
case. He (Mr. Q.) had been threatened with
hostile treatment, and with lempoons and insults,
which were to be showered upon him by Mr.
Grady's father. Under such circumstances, could
he (Mr. Q.) he considered as entirely a free agent
He begged of the House to turn its attention to
the Kitt insic nature of the evidence, and it would
see bow impossible it was that lie should dream of
stipulating for support from Mr. Grady, for Mr.
Grady had scarcely any to give. He held nofee-
simple ; his freeholders were registered on four
farms, each of which was held ender a different
landlord, and on the life of an aged individual.
One Was his own property (Mr. Qain's).—
If lie bad divided the office in order to increase
his influence, he would have bestowed the 2001. a
year on some indivicluel tvhose interest would not
have been so likely to melt away is a very few
years. Neither won'd he have so stipulated,
when he alone held the power which could make
such a stipulation effective. Mr. C. Smith lied
asked leave to take minutes of the conversation
that passed between them.. He had done so, and
the next day In (Mr. Q.) had received and re-
turned them, telling iMr. C. Sniio-: -iat he wish-
ed for no such compact. lie bad kept no c. spy
of those minutes, and had refused to sign them.
He had gone to the country a few days aitch
when the Petitioner had called on him. He then
(Mr. Q ) had repeated in presence of Mr. Roche,
whose evidence pl.\ ed the fact, that he did not
want to stipulate. for any political support, and
had refused to hold further conversation. Mr.
C. Smith hail come doWn subsequently, and a re-
port hail pieceded him, stating that he • was
bringing an hostile message. He regretted the
prevalence of stitch a report, and still more so
that Mr. Smith bad not sent a person to him to
state how he understood what had passed between
them, as to such a person he would have no ob-
jection to explain every misunderstanding which
might have taken place. He then contended,
that in cenversieg with the friends and advisers .
of Mr. T. \V. Grady, it was their object, and
not his, to obtain of stipulation. They wished
to gain from him a_ pledge that he never would,
on any occasion, take the two hundred pounds
a-year from Mr. Gtady, junior. This he at first
refused, and the House had seen enough of that
Gentleman's conduct_ to think him justified in
pausing before be put himself in the power of
so vindictive a n►an. lu tact, the question
had never been reduced to the narrow limits
of one of votes, until it bad been done by Mr.
Gabbett, who urged t hat though he (Mr.
Q ) said, that young Grady might vote as he
pleased, yet.a different construction might after-
wards be given to the affair. It was then that he
(Mr. Q.) had consented to bind himself not to
deprive Mr,. T. W. Grady of the 2001. a-year,
whatever vote he might give. When be had thus
completely shown to the world that he left the
petitioner entirely free, it was hard that he should
be charged with having acted corruptly. It hail
been alleged that the implied political support
formed the chief, if not the sole, obstacle to the
arrangement ; but when that question bad been
set at rest, what motives could induce Mr. G.
jun. to refuse it i The House were aware of the
threat of the petitioner's father, that if he were
not bought off by the restoration of his son to
office, be would bring the subject before Parlia-
ment, and had been encouraged to do so by a large
body. of the Opposition. lie (Mr. Q ) only de-
spised such a threat, which was rendeted ten
times more contemptible by the calumnious insis
nuation which it conveyed. He should not say
that his defying Mr. Grady to bring on his charges
was a proof of l►is innocence, Ina surely it was
at least a strong presumption in his favour. For
if be had not telt conscious of innocence,' would
he have brought himself before the House, where
lie must be convicted if guilty, whilst he had the.
power of complying with Mee Grady's demand,
and restoring.his sou had not done it, be-
cause he felt himself inneeetit, He had disdained
the. ignominious safety offered him, and had pre-
ferred throwing hi►atself upon the judgment of the
House.—(Hear, hear, hear !)—He should now
only repeat, that he did not feel himself guilty of
the charges of corruption brought against him.
If it appeared to the House that he had done
-something wrong, let it be deemed an error of
judgment, fur be had not wilfully intended to act-
improperly. Some might think that it was unjust
to put any charge on the of ; be only begged
of them to recollect in what situation he had been
placed. Having offered these explanations be
would leave the case to the fair consideration, and
to the candid and impartial judgment of the
House, and would say no more.—[The Honour-
able Member was loudly cheered at the close of
his speech. He then bowed to the Speaker, and
.to both sides of the House, and retired.'
Sir R. WILSON hoped that the favour which
had been shown •when he first brought this
subject forward, and which had been cpnti-
nued through the whole of the examinations
which hail followed, would not now be with-
drawn front him when be was about to enter
. upon the last most painful and most difficUlt part
of his task. In doing tt►is he disclaimed- all
litical animosity towards the Hon. Member whose
case was before the blouse, and if to have no vin-
dictive feelings to gratify, no personal comidera-

tions to influence his conduct, could entitle a per-
son placed in his situation to say his motives were
honest—sash he had a right to say were his.—
Hitherto he had appeared as the advocate for the
petitioner, but now it was his painful duty to
stand forward aS the. public accuser, responsible
for the opinions he might express, and the infer-
ences which he might feel warranted in drawing
from the evidence which had been given at their
Bar. As in the inquiry which had taken place
he had only sought to arrive at the truth, so in
the present stage of the business he trusted,as n
the
House would see, that in semming up it ,
his object to disguise the facts, or in any way
to mislead the judgment of those who were
now to decide on this important questiou.—
The Honourable Member who was the subject of
the charge which he had to prefer, had with-
drawn. to await their decision. That he should
do so wish? be perfectly proper, and sinee he was
no longer eresept it would he his care to com-
ment on no part of the evidence to which he had
not already had an opportunity of giving a reply.
The charge preferred against the Hon. Member
(Mr. W. Quin) went to impute to him that he
hail been engaged in making a corrupt bargain,
in order to secure the influence of the Petitioner
at the ensuing election, thereby taking a course
inconsistent with his duty as Cttstos Rotutortaa,
in breach of the privileges of that House, and in
violation of the statute law of the land. He
should, in what,he had to say, confine himself to
the evidence immediately beating on the act
charged against the lion. Member for though
justice required that he should not shrink from
the performance of his duty to spare individual
feelings, it did not require that he should inflict
an unnecessary wound. He then proceeded to
state the case, such as it had been detailed by the
Petitioner, and such as it has been repeatedly
tsiven to the Public in THE SUN. From this it
appeared, that the Petitioner, after holding the
situation of Clerk of the Pease for fifteen years,
had been dismissed from it in 1818 by Mr. W.
(Ilia, the office being then given to a Mr. Richard
Smith ; but it was proposed by the former that
2001. per annum should he deducted from its emo-
luments, and paid to Mr. Grady, on condition
that he should support Mr. Quin with his interest
in the County. This offer was rejected by the
Petitioner. He next went over the evidence of
Mr. Carew Smith, which corroborated the state-
ment .of
.the Petitioner with respect to the offer
made by Mr. W. Quin, and she rejection of it by
Mr. Grady, He particularly dwelt on that part
of the evidence which set forth a conversation
between Mr. C. Smith and Mr. \V. Quin, on this
subject, which had been reduced to writing by
the former, which minute, with some little al-
teration, had been approved as correct by the
latter. A letter addressed to Mr. Gould, stating
it to be necessary that some provision should he
made for the continuance of Mr. Grady's annuity,
in the event of Mr. Quin's decease, the Hon.
Member commented on as one that, from the
language it contained, could not have been ad-
' dressed to the party it was addressed to, without
canine- forth a refutation of the serious and cri-
minal charge there implied, had the party been
guiltless. of the imputed intention. The postscript
of the letter, in which Mr. Grady, sen, threat-
ened to make the conduct of the lion. Gentleman
the subject of Parliamentary inquiry, which he
bad the " means of doing through Sir Robert
Wilson," required some explanation. Though, •
as he (Sir Robert Wilson) had stated on a for-
mer occasion, he knew nothing of the parties,
or of the petition, till a few days before the
latter was put into his hands to present to that
House, yet, from the Petitioner being connected
with persons who were their common friends, he/
might be justified in supposing that he (Sir It.
Wilson) would bring the subject forward. The
conduct of Mr. C. Smith, 'Whilst under examina,
tion, he described to have been in every respect
most praiseworthy; Though severely cross-exa-
mined, he bad steadily maintained 'all he had ad-
vanced. No one had beep able to shake biro 'in
the slightest degree. He seemed to stand on the
rock of truth, and every effort to move him had
served but to fix him more securely there. H,e
owed it to himself to say, that be could not ap-
prove of the advice which Mr., C. Smith bad
thought 'himself justified in giving, but he.
was aware that there were many circum-
stances to be urged in extenuation of his
conduct. Ile next proceeded to notice the
evidence given by Mr. Goold. Considering it es-
sential to the ends of justice that all persons
shritild be beard at the Bar of Pleat house who
could throW any light on the transaction which
was the subject of -the.present charge ; anti con-
sidering that it was unfair that the lion. Gentle-
man .should be deprived of the benefit of the tes-
timony of Mr. Gould, he had caused him to-be
summoned as one of the witnesses on the part of
the petitioner. That Gentleman, however, when
befeaie the House, was so much agitated in his
mind, and its consequence, as it should seem, was
mitortonately ,visited with such a total failure of
his recollection, and had not only forgotten what
did occur, but had appeared to remeinber what
had never. happened. Ha had, however, not
been- able to recollect being present at a conver-
sation in which the condition attached by Mr.
Quin to the proposed grant had been made a
sine qtu; non. After giving the subject the utmost
attention, be was of opinion that that Gentleman's
evidence ought to be erased and excluded altoge-
ther from the consideration of this case. He
would afiirm that he had a right to require that
evidence should be rejected, which, by hie own
confession, and by the statements of others, had
been proved to be so erroneous and so unfounded.
He briefly summed up the evidence given by the
witnesses who had followed Mr. Goold. To him
(Sir R. Wilson) it appeared from all the evidence,
that till the 10th October, Mr. Quin bad never
tuna fide released Mr. Grady front the condition
which he had first annexed to the proposed annuity.
.Whether or not he did it then, might be'a matter
of doubt ; but as it was a matter of doubt, he
was disposed to give it in favour of the Hon.
Gentleman. lle,wished he could avoid that con-
clusion to which regard for the honour of the
House, the interests of the community, and the
-claims of justice obliged him to come, namely,
that the conduct of the Hon. Gentleman bad been
inconsistent with his duty as Cll4los Rotulorunt, in

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violation of freedom of election, and a breach of
the privileges of that lloose. It was not for him
to point out the steps which the House ought to
take to vindicate its character. in a case like the
I:lreeastelnit His
sis ei
f't
not go so far as he ought to go, and he trusted
pietrischnocteildwboeultdh,oulehthboepedtila,
it would not appear that be shrunk from the per-
formance of his duty, however poioful that duty
might be. Ile concluded by moving the follow'.
ink; Resolutions :
" That it appears to this House that the Hon. W.. W. Quill
was, in July 1815, appointed Custos Rotulorum of the county,
of Limerick by the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland, by virtue Of
which be was enriowereil to appoint the Clerk of the
Peace, for the said County
, .7,At some time in the month of September, the said W.
Cinin appointed Richard Smith to lie Clerk of the Peace"
in the ROOtil of T. W. Grady, who was removed by him fro
the said office.
" That the said W. W. Quin did stipulate with said
Smith that out of the emoluments arising from the office or
Clerk of the Peace, amounting in the 'whole to 4001. P...,er
annum, the yearly sum of '2OOl.- should be paid to the said
W. Grady."
Several. Resolutions sneceeded,
which !Wel/
went to declare the other facts of the case al
alleged against the Honourable Member, and
closed as follows : tee
..That it appears to this House that the conductt°
:—of
said W. W. Quin was inconsistent with his duty as Cos
R u
botulorm of the Comity, in violation of the right of F r
of this;
( on of Election,' and a breach of the privilege'
House."
Mr. B. WTILBRAHAM applauded the manner b
ra
ject forward, but differed from him, in tIV rie
which the Hon. Gentleman had brought 4
welch he took of the evidence, and moretg:
to the Resolutions which he had•sebmitle(,° the
House. He tV RS perfectly wine nainte" 10
I°Tl'
Hon. Member who was the subjectg of the 1"..,
3
and his sole reason ;or standing forward 1:
anxious wish thy' the House, in i,s desire 10 (bv
right, and correct abuses, should not do wrnugri
indiscretion with too much seve—ft(;
Some Gentlemen were inclined to believe
Hon. Member (Mr. Quin) the victiel of a enhs'-;
racy, but this was not his oeission. He had
ch
confidence in the honour of Mr. Carew e'th'ita;
that he could lost believe that that Gent'rnee
their
rld have lent himself to the views. th'er ctf
Gradypsr,ociefesd7,clglis.hai,lorre:,‘aillry. been the eharact-
Guold he would tivY a
little. it should he remembered that he ir'44a,...
man of great abilities and high honour. "Igt -tee
peered that he had been twenty-eight re:: the
Irish Bar, and if he mistook not, 13 c
Years tcear
head of the Munster Circuits. The lot h'j'eij be
stance proved the high estimation iitseer
had beets held; and it was bard that the el;ara-ge....
of such a man should be blasted beetose his 1
mory had failed bine on a point, which, arEedr rite
Was not one of great importance. fie '6°e sod
different situations in which that Gentle:tai tter
Mr. C. Smith stood to be considered.
was the near relation of the Petitioner, 91100
for his success, and likely to attend t° all
might forward his views, and to rern, elidiciser of
The former, who was only the. leg",3-.,-tv its'one of the parties,. might not be 5° etn."
n 5
pressed with the circumstances which ri°" )(het
selves in the memory of Mr. C. Smith) ~-eee
Gentleman had been. On reading the evtue""
without any bias either way, .as he &
he had We'
be felt much confused. There was not enough (.:
acquit on the one hand, nor to convict on t
other. 1:1 cases where a doubt existr,
that doubt -was given in favour of the accoseui
He would only ask for Mr. Quin, that be sbc'dlo
not be dealt with more harshly there than he W°t/Ne
be aqy where else, and he hoped the House w‘rit,
pause before they cane to a decision, so figt%re
its consequences, that it would not 001 Y 1'9,0
hien here, but would sink him' below his Prc4isteel
level in society. A difference of opinion e% was
as to whether the office of Cusios Rotu/oronl • h
vett-
one prohibited by law from intertering se or
elections. lie knew not whether it Is's, ;Ile.
nor. The case was one of difficulty; but t'; I, lee
solutions he hod presently to propose fe '3.;°uss.(i3hed
hoped, meet the views of all pariiee•
its the
it to be observed, that of eetieu
present instance to punish time
they would punish him, not for au act
but for an act intended to be cosurnitte,,( ;here
between the t,;vo cases he must relu"'il actin
seas a very material difference. He w°"`t.,,A-,,
that -there might be, for about a fortnight', weft
tendon on his-part -to do that of which e:e Ile bar'
gain with !sins (hell o{ he might be vitit
say this), hut for this it would be hard
him with the severe displeasure of the 11()t:1°
6ticot
He could wish to move after the third Itcs°""
',that the following be adopted : lir•
" That in the month of Jul 1818 it appeared that 000
Quin did offer to T. W. Gradyy'an • vof 2001. out ofd,
emoluments of time ofiice of Clerk rairtnhue Peace for the (OP"
of Limerick, without declaring that he should rqecit
nor doe'ort.
the "id T. W. Grady any political stip )ort,'
tt
pear that his motive was to secure such political soilv. CVI,I;,
" That in the month of Sept. 3. i 8 the said Wht by
did admit to Mr. C. Smith, in an i?ltervielv sotig","d "f•:
latter, that he expected time support'
of the
~6; tinny
0014.
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,uth! tveenilu'fr';
tehisctHspoeuesivriilmiisti
highly
perootir,seird,ear, 01,11 as, etre.
ommit
severed in, instead of being disclaimed,
would,"
tilat
its severest censure,"
The SPEAKER said, the House must be r'w4"., the- •
to full°"0--e
these Resolutions, as they were
third Resolution, could not be pot Jis
first Resolutions bad been in s°llle "Y
posed of. A to vote
Mr. P. DOUGLAS felt himself compelle.'
for the Resolutions of his gallant Frieuil neart
fire
The House could not but -remember tha,earbe
charge, in tlse first instance, bad beets inoet,clGerve
and unequivocally denied by the Honottrble after
dem"; but they must bear in mind, that, cte%
the enquiry which had taken place, the ehnlitheir
of other persons windd now be affected by
era'
decision, who had as great a claim ,0 their.leav6
tection as. the Honourabl'e Member eoultiot evil
He had never heard stronger evidence, r
dence better corroborated, than that ef A'!er'rieg
till the
rew Smith. For that of Mr. Goold, cousluear,
his- situation. in Ireland, -and at the Irish milli
he should think and speak of it dilfe:rietice
from what he should if the same eci( ibis,
had come from another person. SaYing
he must add, that his want of recolleeti°"'va
his misreeollection, made his evidence of n°t'Pt
rue; t
especially wissn opposed as it sees
4oto.
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The advice• given by• Mr. Ca.
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Carew
h to Mr. Grady was not such as it [ni
vi;itisidetations tended to excuse it, and various
he thought
totl:sairrsacsiyble to believe that there had been any
against the Hon. Gentleman. lie
4181)tegehn breach
co n theiriottfe(i
',l),!'st agree With the Resolutions of fact, that a
privileges appeared to have
but still there Mere circum-
!uuees of strong mitigation to be urged in behalf
:ff the tion.Gendeniiin, and there were also some
a'4gravation.
‘‘ViShedUpon the whole, he could have
forlmtclm an amendment to the motion, but that
had been moved appeared to him to be .a
1111,,teCt.fluklitY• if carried, they would find the
I use guilty, but would not acquit Mr. Quin in
eyes of the nation. he believed that what
the Hon. Gentleman had done, had beet) done
:jib a corrupt motive, he would say the House
:gilt not to suffer him Lb sir within its walls,
`ad that punish
Which merit ought.' to be applied tb"him
was applied to the smaller bribery• The
ee9ase, however, ought to recollect what- ti
°lhtct had been on former occasions, and not
AllOa, the world to say of them that they punish-
that corruption in an inferior officer, which,'"
‘itv:e at higher importance, was permitted to escape
'tit impunity.
t)
4 iii. Nei. begged to trespass for a short time
he attention of the House. The subject was
°f great importance, and he was sure that the
hlse vaould feel it to be most important—that
hi:vas' one which required them to perform a duty
%tit raerely deliberative, but also judicial, and, as
teelik he was sure they would be disposed to ex•
same indulgence towards any one who, like
11,11,19e1f, thought it necessary to occupy some
c"'" of their time in considering. the various
bateanistances of the case. He should begin by
hillicllig one Pert of 'the subject on Which a *Tie-
auce had been made to himself personally. This
of -tirespecting a gap in the correspondence. In one
'e le,ters of the elder Mr. Grady, which al"
to'll
't.;(l in the evidence, he paid many compliments
Carew Smith, on the way-in which he had
qati'aged °tie part or the transaction with Mr..
NI These compliments very naturally. sug,
ttried the
ProbThilitv of some letters having peen
trlutitiet) by Mr Carew Sini.h, giving such an ac-
14r,1"it of his conduct as would justify these com(i
to ite,'lls• Accordingly a messenger was disatche
ata) '4l°ene for any such letters ; but none such
lirt,e4rc"• One indeed was inclosed to him by the
"I"tletrto, who asked hint (Mr. Peel) to
Nitte whether he thoualit the interests of either
cr,„7 required its publication. In reply to this
tr ;;n,+r'tcation he stated, after having examined
tr'ia,,l)`"re was nothing in the letter whit re-
, saa.--Lus ptiblication. At the same time he must
thy t,"At• Ht
'vas. nothing in that letter to jos-
t e compliments of Mr. Grady,—(Hear !)
el.4.ese comaliruents were not declined by Mr.
though he gave no accoont of his eon-
ithii "1. 'he transaction different from that which he
'ail'ily"u at the Bat, of thelJatotike. Haling,
'Ouch, he mnst nowt rectal the ko en
Iliel,°l 'Le House io some of the statements
411 uad ade Andat,- as- to anat.
bte , •
" m T fi •
• .1. Mr. Qain
Sim! of die; feint
• in whit.
%/761)1`' 14)ke0. That tone he was sure the Elbuse
-eit,„to
think such ',la- was welt warranted by the
titttUral Ees iii vas Vaced. It was
Imo he wa •
• tltl •
ii,that such, .charges should be repelled
aug','ll,.ll'grat'( The Petition began by stat-
ilj'ettiOar: Mr•lN)c7.y.ndham Quin, finding, at the last
°Qtr.', for the 'County of Limerick that his.
Iletess',:ce had very much declined, had found it
ilrY to divide the office of Clerk of the Peace,
tt
''iew of- increasing his influence.. Now,
uravie)(ll,4ll not only that this assertion was not
4late,,•',uut it was distinctly disproved. The next
tir• • anti,r,titl •
011 the
Petition was, that Mr,
tea :11s
bed eunsiantly, for many years, supported
tertantt-rs' uf.Mt•'Q. in the Cotin,y;:by his-whole
holat,; anto,iniNg to less than 200 free-
'4llpo's.aail that Mr. Quin wished, to secure this
rr r itOr the future by a regular bargain and
'-..:1118 allegation was also disproved. The
111-! ht.‘ ,allegation
"'as, that the disclaimer of exacting
Nair srs• political support was made by Mr.
tetentei-Neqaence of the threat of a Parlia-
hoop4,i"Y investigation. It was admitted by his
I..vias-t'f,rtable Friend (Mr. Wilbraham), that this
Proved, although the Honourable Mem-
'''use motion was before -the House,
evil) n'alte such an admission. From the
thongic e which Wd9 now before the House, he
drabt~t `lie , following conclusions must be
Qulr' I-tliest, that the original, motion of Mr.
1111liCarlivitliug the office, was not to secure thet
) to ; "Pi'ol t of Mr. Grady. Secondly, that,
thing
,',"e interview on the 21st September, no-
said by Mr. Wyndham Quin, as to his
(..I°,tulit:
t Mr. Giadv's vortical support as the
'''"itar;il/ 00 Which annuity was. granted
4leSsctilat, on the 10th October, when Mr. Q.min
'as
stated that lie did not stipulate for the
not 84port of Mr.-Grady, that declaration
"=o'l
vert, hi tram any threNt of a Parliamentary
latil4ali()".• As to the first point, he contended,
rfice °lei. great motive of Mr, Quin in dividing the
vtn thp"erk nt, the Peace, was to be relieved
that
fr- li"essitv of absolutelY dismissing front h; %ice m, •
411 at 1.4. . Grady, who had supported
fess) is, the last electibn, and who (he must con-
tit) reasoa to expect that he woOld• be eon-
t'ell in
t'axiiiedattierel office. On Limit subject he must read
SNI, "act from Mr. Grady's letter to Mr. C.
September, in which he gives
(P. oo\u"t of a conversation with Mr. Qain
eAr„ in that account Mr. Quin is represent-
tr
.Lave said, " WI •
r: "'inset,tat is to be done ? I have
grail smith, and
ttahpviti
t".31_1(1) la1r00.)h.
.`
I ' that promise 1 must make
•
C Power.
• this Mr. Grady
Here are two friends who
"1"al claims upon you ;
lii`e 15 year, h
1,111 mit to '
cu.," is now in office, and you turn
;at you y
o%pp
ifint the other •; and it is a case
bets;:, admit is incapable- of coma
• them," • M;, W Wyntl-
- 7:ll"l,„theu " never as in. a situa-
1-- Much '
_ IleverAlad itress and difficulty ; wish
ces,'.'uot thiok .auY thing to do with it, for .1
,ittift Mr. ur_ without pail]." This was the
"vteeasio„,
ai',l"?;s account of what passed on this
Wag said rat not appear from it that One
art of the omit political snpport. Another
evidence deserved the attention of the

Horse. Mr. T. W. Grady stated (p. 71.), that
" directly after the election I rode out to Adore,
thinking► it a matter of course to he appointed,
and which I Ohl M. Quin ; Mr. Quin, to my

great-astonishment, stated that he dreaded the
interview which was about to take place between
us." He then stares that an arrangement was

talked ot, awl Mr. Quin proposed to allow him

_ . .
the profits of the office for two years. If therefore
this (which was the first offer of confpromise, and
proceeded from Mr. Quin) hit) been accepted, it
was clear that no political support was bargained
tor. Nor, indeed, was it reasonable to sup-
pose that any such could be expec,ed by Mr.
Quin, for suppose that the next election took
plate in seven years, what claim would Mr. Quin
then have on Mr. Grady for his support for the
two year,' profits of an office front which he was
removed ? This, therefOre, clearly established;
that the original motive for dividing. the office
%VHS not to obtain political support. As to the

second ptAition, it was clearly proved on the evi-
dence of the Petitioner himself, tl►n up to the

21st September nothing was said by Mr. Quin
of the political support of Mr. Grady being a
condition for the. annuity`of '2OOl. Mr. T. W.
Grady was distinctly asked (p. 78.) whether Mr.,
Quin had said any thing to hint about political
support, and his answer was, " certainly not."
This was decisive on that.. point. The third
point related to the circumstances which took
place on the 14th • of October. On
,that day,
Mr. Wyndham Quin had distinctly stated that
Mr. Grady would have the annuity and Might
vote as he pleased. Therefore, whatever impro-
priety there had been in the conduct of Mr. Quin,
he had before that time repented of it. But the
• Hon. Gentleman tried to do away with the merit
of Mr. Quin's declaration on the 10th of October,
by imputing it to the threat of bringing the matter
before Parliament. Certainly, if the declaration
was made under that threat, he must eiletit that
it did away with all the grace of repentance.
The'llonourable Gentleman sAid that the letter
delivered by Mr. C. Smith, dated the Sth of Oc-
tober, might have conveyed the 'threat of Parlia-
mentary investigation, and that Mr. Quill 'might
have acted wider its infleence. But Mr. C.
Smith expressly gave it in
.evidence that lie had
received that letter, which had been sent to him
,open, and that it did not contain nay threat or
hint of the kind. . But then the Hon. Gentleman
• seemed to say that Mr. Mansell might have con-
veyed this threat. It. was impossible to hold to
this, for Mr. Mansell in his evidence distinctly
stated that it was not till November or December
that he heard any thing - of a Parliamentary in-
quiry. Therefore lie did maintain that it was
caieelusively established by Ow evidence before
the House, that Mr. Quin was entitled to ail the
grace of the declaration made by.hira on. the I.oth
October.—(Hear, hear !)—lle must now notice
that part of the case which eelated: to the trans-
action between the 21st September and the 10th
October. • In that interval it could not be denied
that Mr. Qoin'expected the pblitical support of Mr.
Grady. But then the great matter was, bow it was
mentioned, and how stated in that instrument
which Mr. G. called the indenture and deed. It ap-
peared that in the conversation on that occasion,
Mr. Quin' said, that when he appointed Smith-to
the office, it was to hold it during his (Mr.
Quin's) pleasure, that: so he Might secure the
payment of Mr. T. W.. Grady's annuity--that
thew there was a patfse, and Mr. Quin added,
" but I expect in return that the Grady Family
will remain politically attached to me in the
County of Limerick." The whole of this con-
versation contained nothing implying a pledge ;
and if Mr. Grady had accepted the annuity, there
would have been no more than a mere' expectation
on the, part of Mr. Quits that he would have the
political support of Mr.'Grady. But then came
the interview of Mr. Carew Smith with Mr. Quits.
On this part of the subject he begged that
it- might be observed the interview was so-
licited and pressed by Mr. Carew Smith. He
admitted that Mr. Quin went to that interview
with the expectation that if the annuity was
granted he would remain-on the same footing with
Mr. Grady as formerly. The whole impression
on Mr. C. Smith's mind was, that Mr. Quin had
a right to expect that Mr. Grady, if he accepted
the annuity, would continue his political support,
and he bad expressly stated, that he thought it
would be romantic to expect Mr. Quin would
grant the annuity, and consent to allow Mr. Grady
tovote,against him. Suppose Mr. C. SMith had
beginfaht conversation with Mr. Quin, by saying
" I think it too romantic to expect that you .will
e,rant this annuity, and at the same time allow Mr.
Grady to vote against you." , Might not Mr. Quin
have very readily been drawn into a reply.? ."
tell you the truth, I do expect, if he accepts the
'annuity, that he will continue to support. me-s—
for, as you say, it would be much too romantic
to expect that I could allow him to vote against
me under such circumstances." If afterwards,
next day, Mr. C. -glisith, alter having extracted
sects an avowal, came with a written niitiute
of the conversation, to procure an aulrentica-
tion of it, the whole complexion of the case
would be altered. The' truth was, that the
document in this case, thought not signed, was
obtained by Mr. C. Smith at an interview pro-
cured at his own instigation ; and he wished
the House to observe the light iu which Mr.
Grady, senior, viewed the conduct of Mr. C.
Smith, as to this part of the transaction. ,In
Mr. Grady's letter of the 20th October, to Mr.
C. Smith, be says, " I know not what part of
your conduct most to admire—the coolness and
ingenuity with which you led Quin on at, his in-
terview with you in Dublin, from coquetry to a
full declaration of his passion for bribery and cor-
ruption—the simplicity with which you conducted
him to a written testimonial, Btc." He was sorry
that Mr. C. Smith did not reject those compli-
ments.—(Hear, hear, bear !)—He never read a
passage more calculated to excite the.sudden indige
nation of amen of honour than that in which Mr.
Grady, senior, with an odious familiarity of style,
talked of how he had led on the unsuspect-
ing Mr. Quin to commit himself. The words
were (p. 105), " 'Twits damned insidious of you,
and a great shame, to have asked quits to sign
tile deed of charter party," &c. These were the
terms in which this part-of the transaction wiS
talked of.. Certainly be wished Mr. Quin bad at

. _
once told Mr. Grady, jun. that he could not con-
tinue him in the office. He, disapproved of di-
viding the office ; but it was to be considered that
it was not an unusual practice to do so, speaking
without reference to the Act of 1809. But he

really believed there was no intention to purchase
political support, and that but for the interview,
it would have been left to a fair understanding.

There Were mine circumstances to be considered

in mitigation of the conduct of Mr. Quin ; and
he was sure the censure voted by his Honourable
Friend (Mr. .Bootle), in such a case, must be
considered a severe punishment. He begged the
House to recollect, that. on the 10th of October
-Mr. Quin repented of his conduct, and expressly
released the improper .condition which be had
Mentioned. He implored the House not to be.
influenced by any. publication which had been
made of a letter of Mrs. Grady to Mrs. Quin,
which he understood had been printed and cir-
ciliated yesterday. The CoMMittee of
•t he House
had examined that letter. and as it did not mate-
rially bear upon the question, bring ivritten in
contidence_frota.one Lady to another, 'it-had been
suppressed. He trusted that the House would
not be influenced in its. odgment by the artifices
of such a publication.—(The Right Hon. Mem-
ber concluded amidst much cheering from both
sides of the House.)
Sir J. MACKINTOSH professed he never rose
with mote difficulty to exercise what he termed a
judicial function than be 'did on the present occa-
sion, first, because the duty he had to perform
was to Lim peculiarly painful, and secondly, be-
cause the case bad entirely assumed in sonic de-
gree a different light from the able and ingenious
arguments of the Right lion. Gentleman just sat
down. He would, however, assure that Right
Hon. Gentleman, that no prejudice had been ex-
cited in his mind by reading the letters alluded to,
as none 'of them had reached hito. He was Satis-
fied however, that so tar this part of the charge
had been made out, namely, that one of the Mem-
bers of _that House had on the 21st of September
offered a reward or remuneralion of 20W. for pro-
curing votes at an election for a.Member of Par-
liament, anti as such bad been guilty of a breach
of privilege. An . attempt shad. been made to
mix up the transactions of this day with the mi-
nute of the succeeding day. He, however, should
confine, himself, in' determining upon this ques-
tion, to the inquiry, how far there had been an
understanding that, in consideration of this an-
nuity, Mr.. Quin. was to derive the political sop-
port of the Petitioner and his Father, together
with their joint friends and tenantry ? After this
arrangement ,bad been completed, the claims -of
Mr. Grady stood on the grounds both of right
and honour. As Custos Robs/orunt, Mr. Quin,
it had_ been successfully contended, had nis tight
to divide the office,• and upon the faith of his
promise be could .not consistently displace the
Petitioner; nor, after consenting as a narldre
term to the annuity of 2001. on the Petitioner's
vacating the office; had Mr. Quin any right -io"
impose upon him the highly objectionable condi-
tion so often alluded to. That Mr. Quin had al-
ways expected the support of Mr.. Grady's family
was to be collected most distinctly from one of the..
last conversations at Stillorgan, when Mr. Quin
being asked, bad he not made such .a stipulation
when offering the 2001. per annum, had replied,
" Certainly not ; but amongst men of the world it
must have been virtually understood." In the
month of •July, a reported change in the Wen-
tions of Grady family's political leaning hurried
Mr..Qnin into an arrangement which, as soon
as it verged towards a precise and determinate ao-
derstanding, naturally excited a desire to be more
particulaAly assured of each other's intentions, and
the minute of an agreement was the result. hie
was happy to agree with the Right Hon. Gentle-
man in the convictioh, that whatever was due to
the retraction of an act so highly culpable, was
comprised in the case now -before the House.
Mr. Quin became alarmed, and bad retracted froth-
the agreement. On this subject, whatever had
been urged by the Right Hoo. Gentleman oppo-
site could only have been adduced in mitigation
of punishment., 'fhe Honourable Member elo-
quently panegyrised the conduct end testimony of
Mr. C. Smith ;..lta.considered the testimony of Mr.
Gould, however respectably he thought of his cha-
racter, so extremely defective in many instances,
that it. ought to be Iltogetber expunged, at least
froth the recollection of Members when coming
to a decision on 'this question. The evidence of
Mr. Smith, however,
,was corroborated in every
respect by the letters written to Mrs. Quin, and
to both the Mr. Graulys. His •anxiety to obtain a
minute of the agreement-was natural enolugh,,pa„
be was acting as an agent'merely„ Mr. Quin be-
ing a principal.—lt was peculiarly desirable to
bury the transact ion by' a compromise, end thus
defeat all Parliamentary urgency ,on a subject of
so much delicacy and danger. ,All these circum-
stances, taken together, proved the existence of
a fact, which had it been persevered in; world ''l
have brought down the .vengeance of the House
on the offender's head, and expulsion would have
been the consequence. He was happy to find the
corrupt bargain had been retracted whatever
might be the determination of the House on the
subject, -Ire was satisfied that if a public officer
is high trust were permitted to make use of his
patronage as a means of corrupt influence, with
impunity, It wonld he the most dangerous wound.
that could possibly be inflicted on the purity of
the constitution of Parliament.
Mr. PLUNKETT spoke strongly in favour of the
character of Mr. Goold; Noticing the unfortunate,
mistakes into which that Gentleman had fallen in
his evidence, he was glad that no one had adopted
the harsher construction ofimputlng his errors to
any thing but failire of memory. He contended
that there was no ground for erasing or expunging
the whole of Mr.Goold's evidence for any mistakes
in some parts of it. On the same principle, they
would exclude that Gentleman's evidence on every
future Occasion, and brand him as a person totally
unworthy of credit.. . There were four • material
points as to which the evidence of Mr. C. Smith
and Mr. Goold differed. First, as to whether the
refusal • to sign the minute on the 22d September
was by Mr. Quin or by Mr. Goold--2d, whe-
ther the refusal went merely to the siguatore ar
to a disavowal of the accuracy of the docu-
ment--3d, whether Mr. Quin-bath stated that he
would be always lead)' to prove the accuracy of

the minute, though he, would not sign it-4th,
whether Mr. Quin did, on the '22:i Scpteniher,

at any interview at which Mr. Gooti was pre,ent,
acknowledge that Smith's account, which

represented the • proposal of political support to
have originated on the part of hint, Mr. Quin, was
correct. As to the first, the poSitive assertion of

Mr. C. Smith was, that before Mr. Quin had
time to answer him, Mr. Gookd said he had ad-

vised Mr. Quin not to sign the minute. This,
howeve, seemed to be contmlicted by the mi-

note itself, 011 the face of which' there was this

memorandum, stating. that " for certain reasons
stated to me, he (Mr. Quin, that being the next an-
tecedent) refused to sign.". But Mr. C. Smith, in
his evidence (p. 60), explains, that by " he," he
meant Mr. Goon!. But by the letter of Mr. C.
given in evidence (p. 20), be expressly
refers the refusal to Mr. Quip, and imputes it to
his alarm in consequence of Mr: Grady's letter.—
Here was the first matetial point of thtf:oetice in
the evidence of Mr. Gook! and Mr. C. Smith, yet
it appeared both from the minute and Mr. C.
Smith's own letter, that the explanation was
wrung, and that Mr. Goold was correct. This
he did not state by way of imputation against Mr.
C. Smith, whom he believed to be quite incapable
of misrepresentation from Improper motives. It
showed, however, the fallibility of Mr. C. Smith's •
own • recollection on a most material point.—,
(Hear !)—the second difference was relative to
the signature of the minute. ACcording.- to Mr..
C. Smith, the sole objection of Mr. Quin was '
to signing the minute, and not .to its accuracy.—
And Vs refusal was stated to be because the
office was one connected with the admiuistrae -
tion of justice. Yet the objectiou was mere-
ly to the signature, whilst the transaction itself
was admitted. Could any man believe that this
was the motive—that he would confess the cul-
pable gift in the presence of several persons, and
then ref Use his signature as affording evidence of
it ?.---(llear, hear l)—The next point of d.ffer-
ence clearly shewed the. .absurdity of this epic-
sentation—for, according to Mr. C. Smith's state-
ment, Mr. Quin, while he refused his signature,
offered on all occasions to attest the accuracy of
the minute. Now as to this he must say, incredu-
lous odi—it was not to be believed—that the-
guilty offer should have been acknowledged—that
the signature should be refused 'as evidence of it ;
and then, in the same breath, that though he 're-
fused ,to sign, he offered en all occasions to'
attest the accuracy of . a written account, syt-
ing that the guilty offer which had been made was
too much for any credulity. It was absurd..lt was
impossible to believe it ; and as it was quite clear
that. as, to the first point of difference Mr. C.
Smith was mistaken, so he was also mistaken in
the second and third.—(Hear, hear, hear !)—This
brought him to, the fourth difference—as to tine.
condition of support having originated with Mr.
Quin. lii p. 60, of the evidence, Mr. C. Smith
expressly states, that the 2001. a year would not
have been. accepted if it had been coupled with
any condition for political support. He recalled
the attention of (lie House to the memorable
conversation so often referred to. In that there
appears to have been a long pause. Ile should
'like to have heard what passed during that inter-
val, but Mr. Carew Smith endeavoured to
,make
the
.supposed heads of it. Had he (Mr,. P.)
known, what really passed!, he would have been
better enabled to elicit the „subject. But what-
ever was alleged on the occasion, he was of opt
nion that the party (Mr. Quit)) ought; net to be
crushed ; and therefore, believing Mr. Quin free
from any thing but an act of indiscretion, be felt
himself emboldened to stand forward in Lis de-
fence. lie had... not been guilty of any breach of
privilege, neither ought be to
,suffer for the mis-
conceptions of others, He referred to the evil. nce
of Mr. Roche,Mr. Gabber, end others, in vin-
dication of his assertion. Whenever pressed upon
the part of Mr Grady, heyesisted his importu-
nities, and refused to enter into any eempact. Mr,
,Quin positively denies having entered into any
stipulation with Mr. Grady ; and, in addition to
the evidence of Mr. Roche and Mr. Gobbet, they
had in the evidence of Mr. Grady himself
ample proof of the innocence' of Mr. Quin.
From pure beneficence, the latter had offered Mr.
Grady the younger 2001; a-year, as a friend, and
totally free from all political bias. He believed
the proposition which had caused the diSpleasure
of the House had riot originated with Mr. Quin,
or any of his friends, but from Mr. Grady himself,
or ,from Mr. Carew Smith, his agent. Thence
arose Mr.'Quiu's apparent sanction to it. " I give
you (says Mr. Quin) 2001. a year, free front every
stipulation." It was Mr. Quin's,own bounty, and
he had a right to gratify himself in this particular.
There was no criminality in it. In his opinion it
'was an innocent and, a warrantable transaction.
If any blame was attachable to Mr. W. Wynd-
ham Quirt, it arose from his suffering himself to
be decoyed, or misled into such a transaction.—
What would we have done had.tbeproposition
originated with Mr. Wyndham W. Quits ? As a
Member of Parliament, he would have been ex-
pelled the House, and been also deprived of his
office of Cuatos Rotulorum. But he bad conducted
himself in a very different manner ; and he (Mr.
Plunkett) slid not feel disposed to allow his one
mies the triumph which they expeCted. He be-
stowed several encomiums on Mr. Carew Sten!) as
a Gentleman of great resPeetebility, although iii
this inst ante be might be said to have made some
,unaccountable deviation front propriety: Front
every view of the subject, he could-'not consent to
the,Resokueion of the G diem General, es ceneure,
ing the conduct of Mr. Quin.—(The Ilott. MeM-
ber was loudly cheered.)
Mr. WY N N said,, there was, no Man on whose
judgment he would sooner rely than on that of the
Right lion. and Learned Gentleman who spoke
last, tint after the most anxious investigation of
the evidence,. he had come to a different conclu-
sion. 'hie admitted that this proposition might
have come originally from Mr. Grady or nisi
friends, but the agreement seemed, if confidence
could be placed in the evidence of Mr. C. Smith,
to have, been completed, and that 2001. a-vear
was to be given on condition of Mr. Grady's Par-
liamentary support. This was an offence of bri-
bery and corruption which was punishable, not
only at common law, but also by the ste,oite of
• Geo. 11. He then entered juin an examination
of the conflicting nature of the evidence of ;gr.,

(Zooid and 'lr. Carew Smith, and retninikcil, ttat
n.lioold appeared to Le quite absent, and took
tab particrtlar notice of the conver.atiou that was
.cat t fed or before him. Hit Inito4 appeared to be
employed exclusively in considetin the result of
the ipplicat on which Mr. Quin hiot undertaken in
make for hint, and this had so entirely o copied
his nriurl, as to leave it impossiblr for him to pay
sullicetot attention to froty thing else.—'l he whole
of Air C. Sillith'S Ile,'OCiaTion with fir. Quin WaS
ill Z•piri! of whether the grant 4houid be accom-
panicd by the condition of Parliamentary support
or not. This came wiihitt the contemplation of
Perceval's Act. lie i:oped that, how-
ever the question was decided, the House would
see. the nccessity of 'Wowing some measure for
plating the office of Clerk of the Peace in Ireland,
an office of great trust and- Importance, upon the
same footing as it was in England. He thought,
,in the present case, a substantive offouce had been
cononititil i that' in the Honourable Member's
(fir Quo) denial there was a considerable i.ozgrii-
'station ; ti thAt the [loose conid not avoid de-
ciding that the ofrence amounted to a breach ol
plirilcf;e. He alluded to the case (noticed in the
Petition) which occurred in the last Session,
namely, that of Ferguson, in which the House
loan conimitted the offender to Newgate. I.lad
been astofti wha; grea:Cl could he ill-
if he had completed the
tratts..ction. than what was involved in the Reso-
lutions ? in such a cisc the 11,-tuse would fit'' he
s.tisficti %Oil) trendy praying the Crown to re-
move hint ttom the office of Custos Mtuloruni, but
at.ould !rive alsit ColnfilAtidtd do: orncy-General

to prosecute him.
.boostilt Said he was sorry to hear, in
the coorse of the debate, certain imputations at-
tempted to be thrown out against Mr. C. Smith,
wlno,e :,igh chatectur, for bottoms and integrity,
he bore a ready and sincere test imotiy. With re-
spect to Mr. (~old, he remarked, that although
jn some pat ts liis inewory seemed to fail hitn, yet,
in other respects, he v•as very well enabled to re-
cite very long arid minute conversations, which
slrveed that wnenevel it suited the wishes or con-
ventiai.ce of that could he
ss strone as arty ctn.'s. Ile remarked, tat if Mr.
Swith bad given such evidence at the bar of
Inc 'loose as had fallen from Mn Gould, he would
have been rommitted to Newgate.
Mr Or.ATTAN said, he did not Itte4ti at this late
Boer to ire•p,ys long upon their time. He was
iovniced to rise principally from soave observations
11,10 t ill idii;SiOL'i to ol•e of the witnesses. lie
knew Mr. Gould far 20 year., both in public and
private. He was vary mach in his sodnoy, to-
ete her with H tinmber of Whet Geotlenten of the
eharacter end rite be,t prieciples. if Mr.
Gould was not an hottest than, they v etc not honest
Wien TiCere may be this or that in his evidence that
might seem not to merit credence. Mr. Gook!
may have mistaken much, he may have forgot
much but thete was not the smallest ground to
quest ion his integrity. He was as iocapable of false-
*hood a the hest and honest est titan in that House. if
such was not the character of Mr. Goold, he
thould eon'aer himself dishonoured by having
lived so long in his intimacy, and feeling con-
,lllCrd I Lai ire was it
e 1 +,Stlti
lit Ungratefid not to come forward now and testify
it. , If such a person, to consequence of any slight
ioedvertroey or detect of memory, was committed
Netvgate, he roust only say, that the disgrace .
would attach, cot to him, but to the Hoose. He
concurred in the' statemeuts of his flight Hen.
Friend (Mr ph,„kt.ti), and attt r such all exhibition
of argument and ability be would not delay the
House any longer.
Mr. MARTIN, of Galway; condemned the con-
duct of Mr. Quin, for saying to Mr. Gtady, jun.
that be would sooner trite him an office than take
00'e away, and atierwards depriving him of it.—
He heaid it reported that it was Mr. Quirt's in-
tention to restore the office uncomlitionally; were
Ire to do so, it could not in his mind but have
considerable influence qu the House. He recom-
mended an adjournment of the debate, that they
might h 'ye time to ascertain whether any thing
of the kind was intended. Besides this consider-
ation, an adjournment would afford an opportu.
nity for considering„ the different Resolutions that
were pt reposed.
Mr. Baononam, in a long speech, supported
the original Resolotious. 'ln the course of his
speech, he tegretted particularly that Mr. Quin
had not at the outset taken different grounds from
that which he had deemed it proper to adopt, and
thrown himself on the candour of the House for
a violation of its ptieileges, which at 'the time he
'never tneaot to commit. He had, however,
thought proper to make a denial of the charge,
uod to retort a fool conSpilacy upon his ac-
cusers, hreholinte, that most respectable
wit-
'less, Mr. Carew Stark. With respect to Mr.
Gould, all he should say was, that he could
reconcile the lapse in his evidence with a full
idea of his honesty. After the testimony borne
to his honour by the Member for the University
of Dobliti, and by that great and venerable an-
' thority tone him (\Jr. Grattan), and also the opi-
nion which they had hoard the late lamented Me.
tiOnsonhy entertain of him, it was impossible not
to coosider the hoooor of ,uch a clotraett,r in a
favourable light. The Hononrable and Learned
Gentleman then at considerable length, acrd with
;;rear force, replied to the arguments of Mr.
Plunkett, and cotnniented upon, and contrasted
in de'tail, the chain of evidence in support of the
charge, which painfully compelled hint to conclude
that it was sustained against Mr. Quill.
11ir I'aeNELL spoke highly of Mr. C. Smith.
Sir J Ni“s FORT was persuaded that the evi-
dence of Mr. Carew Smith was quite conclusive,
and he was convinced, teem all that bad been ad-
vanced, !het Mr Quin had bartered away a por-
tiou nt petroinige tor political support. After the
disposal of the in esen«inestion he should rnoye
that the °nice of Clerk of the Peace be 'placed on
tire same tooting as similar offices in England.
Mr. V. linateE endeavoured to procure a hear-
ing, but be sat down amidst a tinnult and npwar
the " Question! question ! questiou!"
The .t.'il'eAKEr then put the several Resolutions.
Ihe three first were Carried tent. con. And on
the fourth Resolotion being- pot,
WILBRAISANI pi otiose(' his Amendment.
Are re did nut think it went far enough.
Mr. "ItenNEY was fur Sir Robert Wilson's

THEATRICAL REGISTER.
Perron-nett Last Night.
THEATRE rtnyAL. DRURY-LANE.—Kinz, Richard the Third :
ritlie of Gloucester, -Mr. Kean ; Lady Anne, Miss Boyce.
After which, The Castle of Wonders.
TFiEATHE ROYAL, CovENT-GAnntv.—Romeo and Jnliet
Romeo, Mr. C. Kenible ; Juliet, Miss O'Neill. After which,
Blue Beard.

PRICE OF STOCKS

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THE SUN.

soLEnt QUIS PICERE FAL,UM AUDEAT ?

LONDON,
TUESDAY, 111.4RC1130, !SI 9.

We received last night the Paris Papers of Fri-
day and &toil day last, the la+ter in anticipation of
the regular course of arrival, which would have
been this morning. The following are extracts :

" Palm, MAttcn 27.—Yesterday, after hearing
Mass in his apartments, the King passed the
greater part of the day in his Cabinet.
" Tneadav next the Peisian Ambassador will
.be •intrt!dticed to the King, and dine with the
Duke d'Escars, at the Palace of the Tuileries.

" We find the following paragraph in the
Journal de la Vendee of the 20th inst.:—` In
spite of the doubt's excited in the public mind,
and even expressed in the Tribune of the ,Cham-
her of Peers, respecting the tranquillity of the
X•Vest, there has been no distutbance in this De-
partment .; and the good disposition of the inha-
bitants is tin assurance that there will be flout.—
,The same tranquillity now pervades our neigh-
bouring Departments.'
" The intelligence we announced some time ago
is confirmed. tier Royal Highness the Duchess
of -Ber.ry is • crrtainly pregnant ; and this happy
event,_ which promises an heir to the Throne,
will soon be officially made public.
" Baron ll'Haussez, the new Prefect of Gaul,
arrived at Nismes on the 19ili inst.
" The sentence of death p+ssed on the 4th of
May, 1818, by the Assize Court of Tarn, against
F. Bach and the•widow Bancal, was, on the 10th
of February last, mitigated to twt-nty years' im-
prisonment as to Bach, while Baucal's widow

Was ordered to hard labour for life, and to be
branded in the usual way.
" There is a story in the Nurraleur de la Meuse
not unworthy of notice. An expatriated pro-
prietor, who had absented himself from France
during the Revolution, lately cause back alone,
when he discovered, 'in a field wherein he depo-
sited it in 1789, a- treasure which he had then
concealed there. It is added, that the new pro-
prietor of the estate is about to commence an

action against the former owner, for having thus
appropriated what did not belong to him.
" They write from Hamborgh, that enlistments
for the South American Insurgents were going on
there secretly for some time, but that the Senate
having discovered then►, prohibited them under
the severest penalties. Several individuals enlist-
ed were arrested and imprisoned just as they were
about to embark at Blankenense, in the, Danish

territories.

" Several shocks of an eartlignae were felt at
Palermo in the night of the 24th ult. The last
continued for 35 seconds. Sevei'al houses were
thrown down, and some lives were lost.

" CHAMBER OF DEPUTIES.

" SITTING OF THURSDAY, MARCH 23.

" To-day the sitting commenced at one o'clock,
M Blanc/I)Ru de Barnett], Piesident.
M. Fornier de St. Lary made a Report from
the Central Committee, on the Projet for conti-
nuing the Monopoly of Tobacco till the Ist Ja-
nuary, I 9 6 ; the Committee proposed to limit it
to theAst .11111Itify, 1322. After some observa-
tions from M. Magnier Grandprez and the Keeper
of the Seals, the discussion was adjourned to tile
oth of April.
" M. de Courvoisier delivered the Report rela-
tive to the Projet of Law upon the Responsibility
4.,f Ministers ; it was agreed, that the discussion
should be postponed till after that upon the Mo-
nopoly of Tobacco.
" MARCH 26.—M. Blanqoart de Bailleul took
the Chair at half-Jest one, in the absence of M.
Ravez, on account of ill-health.
" A Petition from the Students of Montpellier,
respecting the late disorders in that city, in which
they took so conspicuous a part, %vies referred to
the Minister of the Interior.

" de is Boiilay, the Rcporter, replied on
the Projet of Law respecting the Departmental
Stock Exchanges.

" lie was followed by the Minister of Finance,
in favour of the I'rojet.
"The Chamber divided, when the Law was
carried by 124 to 104.
" M. Latitte, the Chamber having gone into a
Secret Committee, developed his proposition re.
specting the Bank of France. It was referred to
the Bureaux.

" M, Dumeilet, from the Commission of COM..
patihility, announced that the widow Agasse,
Proprietor of the Moniteur, had offered to print
the speeches of the Members in Supprements to
that Journal, for 6,000 francs a•year.

•` The Chamber accepted the offer of the Pro-
prietor of the Moniteta, and adjourned to the fol-
lowing day.

FIVE PER CENTS.

Thursday
Friday

a f. 90 c.
65 f. 80 c.

DEFERRED sToCK
Th ursdaT. Fridar.
Of the 22d March, f. Phi c... 82f. 95c.
22d Sept. 1817.: ...£4of. 85 c... 801. 95c.
22(1 Mateh,lBlS... 7S f. SSc...7Bf. 95c.
22'1 Sept. 1515... 76 f. S 5 c... 76 f. 95 C.
eid March, 819-74 f. 75c...75 e.

" FRANKFORT, March 21.—'There is a report
of a great misunderstanding between the Courts
of Berlin and 1-lesse Cas,el, in consequence of the
latter having refused to conform to the arrange-
ment respecting the Amy of the Confederation,
It is said that the Prussian Minister at Cassel
has quitted that capital to return to Bolin, and
that the Hessian Minister at Berlin has also been
recalled."

If the purity of Parliamentary Representation
were not a paramount consideration with all who
regard the welfare of the Country, as well as its
honour,. we should regret that so much time has
been engrossed by the case of Mr. WYNtnnAm
Qt.lnc., but we believe our Readers in g2ner,ll,as
well as ourselves, were heartily t;red of th, sub-
ject. We do not think that Sir ROBPRT WILSON.
has, entered into what may be called public life
most auspiciously, judging by his conduct
on this occasion. He last night moved a
string of Resolutions hostile to Mr.• QUIN,
who, from all that has appeared, has not,
in our opinion, acted in such a tnnincr as
to deserve them. Mr. BooTLF,
howevr, took a more liberal course, and moved
amendments, which, after a protracted and te-
dious debate,' produced two divisions. For the
first of Mr. WiLlittAnAm's amendments the num-
bers were, 162—against it, 73. For his second
amendment, 154—against it SI. Mr. LAmnToN
then, pursuing the course of Sir RoBEET WILsoN,

utovcd that Mr. T. GooLo, one of the vviinessel,
5130111 d be committed to the custody of t"
Sedeant-at-Arms for inedged prevarication, but
the general feelings of the House, after a warm
debate,
negatived the proposition by
majoritl
of 134 to 8 ! Thus has the case of an individual,
certainly of little importance to the Nation, ex"
cept in the abstract view which we first suggested,
occupied the atteution of the Representative Body,
and precluded discussions of more immediate
weight and interest.

It was observed in The British Press of this clay'
adverting to the B:II for rendering the growing*
produce of the Consolidated Fund available to
the Public Service, which seas lead a third limo
last night, and passed, in the house of Lori's,
that there was a difference in the estimate of Jr.
VANSITTART, who is understood to have Stated
that six millions would be available for that pad
pose, for that the Earl of LIVERPOOL'S estimate
last night was about four millions. But in the first
place, is it certain that Mr. VANSITTART aetuallY
stated the former sum ? The British Press the°
exultingly exclaims, " Call you this hat:kill
of your friend i" and to spew that it ‘cf°
in a sportive nzood, it proceeds to speak `°:11
nu"
admiration of the superior knowledge
nifested by Mr. GRENFELL and Mr. T 1
e 5.6131
both of whom declared positively that the s1"11 -(3
be obtained by this measure would not inucl'
ceetl three millioths." • The " superior knowledge,
of Mr. GaENFRLL and Mr. TIERNEY," comp
areo
with that of Lord LIVERPOOL and Mr. V.4°ll';
TAIIT ! This is written in the true spirit °
irony. We did not think that The British, press
,5 so jot:II:dr. But, however, it 1)1'0'1'111)r
itself of a saving clause in favotir Of illessrs,; •
" y
GEENFELL and TIERNInr, obServing, that
this be the case, the whole measure is founded
t:o a premeditated delusion," r, Great 01'16
in an if "—so that, after all, Messrs.
FELLS and TIERNEY'S " superior knoWie(ige' t
however " declared positively," is pribionalicaf
d presumptive, and depends merely 011°I1 tbe.
their estimate is correct. " Call you this b.tc klb";
of your ft iends ?" But if these great !nen sho"ld
mi:;ralt en, how will The British Press justify
the
implied charge against Government of "
dilated delusion i"

rrovEs'rt
In the Case of Lady EMILY t
this morning, Sir A. PiGGOT Moved 'tile tAItEt
ut
Chancery to remove all restraint with resrct
the proposed marriage of this Lady tTith Lord
SrawAnT, and that the marriage might he 01'
lowed to take place as soon as the necessary deeds
were prepared.—Mr. MARTIN, for Mrs. Titycoaf
said, he had no instructions to oppose the In°
tion.—The LORD CHANCELLOR I.iiiid;"SfrARTHIJP
take your motiou."

Yesterday the aike of YoRK tilnsacteti
tary bitsiiirSS with the PRINCE IiRGENT.
is one
Alderman ATKINS (Lord 'Mayor)
three Candidates for Bartista I p 01
Tragedy of The Italians, .I;bich 11g, excited
.o lunch attention On account of the 1,6"! treat-
:o
meat suffered by the Author, was was
representationsat Covent-Garden Tncatre,"• nee
toopped on account of its announced tiPP"I:, c
at Druty-Lane. Apprelieusive,howevet,ii"ir.ll%
besotted admirers of Mr. KzAN „votilci 1-1!1
piece. the Author exisres.ed a desire t() ";',";
draw it, but too, late, as preparations
itberally mode by the Drury-lace Manager tf:,:sl';l,
it all due support, with regard to scenery,

the representation.
t (b 6
ABERDEEN, 111ARen 25.—0 n ToeSflaY )3%,„70g
Nelly, ALLEN., from Slit/deli itd, wi:b 00.
fire at sea, awl was burnt; one man, by goio •

alone in the boat, was drowned.
i.v•7- 8'
i\lrtLANcoots AccioeNT.--Tuomns %14
MAM. Esq. a Gentlemsn indepeldent tortior:,;
of King-street, Portman-squarc, vtin °Vet-
a Gentleman's carriage a few eseiiino the
in the square, and diet slimily atter 01
~vonnds he received. The watchman ,vh() `
nessed the melancholy accident, entild otr
to whom the carriage ,belonge,i, as it dr9
tte ve de;
most furiously.—Coonier's Verdict—‘'
ceased wds killed by being rode over by 9 C
ttn
the proPrietor and coachman of %%Thiel) k°"
known." • •
co.
A C
WFUL INSTANCE OF SuDnaN DEATIL.--"'-:-
tnrday morning List, a married man
Ftr,cbly, called on a pro,tilit!e Et tier 10'10'1,'?: ofl
Drury-.lane, whom he was in ;he frecrent havii
si4iting, and while he was here they qu'are.its
together, and on tl:e Ecinae leaviro the 1"1/1',.)
hild himself on the hell, and " "..;rico
on her return she n,:glit hod him cleat) .°
she
did not rt Innin long away, and „„ no. return
Imind hint lying on the floor a corpse- A !jll,r
net's sv:ts held on the hodV, 3'" ur,
r.etititi:::(.l"tt Verdict of—'' Died by 11;e Visitiiii°

1):1 Sunday, in 'Nottinsrhan:-p!ace, the iAtly of
Coloud Dayis, Of a dauglrer.

hirer
On 1'; idly "tact, at his !tonic in Ikr:r!ley, Woccegers*„,
in lite Sjtl year of ;:fie,is ;,e, Wilson itlesnury lloberttt, o','
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