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London, England, 1845-05-08 00:00:00

our waggons, which have been purchased from the London and
Birmingham Company.
Mr. Wnirmoael who opposed altogether the formation of the
extension line from Dudley to Wolverhampton, on the part of the
canal between those two places, followed in cross.examination.
The line of canal between Birmingham and Wolverhampton is a
very fine one, almost straight, and well adapted for a railway. The
Canal Company has always been very well disposed to give ac-
commodation to the district, and very liberal in all its dealings. A
great portion of the minerals raised in the district and moved from
one part to another, would still be carried by the canal, as the
canal accommodated many parts of the district that would not be
reached by the proposed railways.
Mr. ALLEN, before proceeding to cross-examine this witness,
stag that, besides appearing'for the Canal Extension Company,
Ire also appeared for Mr. H. Foley, and Mr. Hook, a gentleman
near Worcester, the latter of whom considered that no additional
railway was wanted in that district, at least such as any of those
Proposed by the rival companies. He would, as far as the present
Witness was concerned, only confine himself to the case of the last_
named gentleman.
In answer to a question put by the Learned Gentleman, the
witness stated that sinkings of the land sometimes take place
in the district. I know the places where the minerals
are exhausted and the sinkings have taken place. The
greater portion of the mines surrounding Dudley belong to Lord
'Yard. The main trunk line from Dudley to Wolverhampton goes
mrongh a considerable portion of Lord Dudley's lands. The
.nerals are principally got under that portion of the line. The
roads in this district have often been known to sink in a few
t,oUrs. Turnpike roads nearly always sink, but after they settle
I°‘vn they are tolerably sound. The exhausted mines under the
railway, line have not been in operation for many years, and there
ono danger of rapid sinkings. Rapid sinkings only take place
2i4ivnrecently worked mines, where the props have suddenly
Way Old mines are often filled with water, and this sus-
tains the surface, hut any circumstance that would draw away the
Water
would lead to the sinking referred to. Some of the bridges
nf the canal have given way, and fresh embankments have often
been Made or, account of these subsidences. I know of no district
rn (.I'Pt a Portion of Shropshire where so many pit shafts exist as
the space of country in the neighbourhood of Dudley, Bilston,
and 'Wolverhampton. Any portion of the line under which the coals
not yet extracted would be dangerous if the mines were worked
After its construction, but the company would require notice before
any such Workings were attempted, and then have an opportunity
of buying up the mines to prevent danger.
.Mr. Horz re-examined Mr. Smith principally on the points
-..,41,,e4 by Mr. Allen, during which the witness expressed himself
o—`3fied with the safety of the proposed line, as the principal shafts
the
which the line passed were old workings that had subsided.
MnPany had full power to purchase any of the unworked
te.r., n• He considered that the stations of the London and Bir-
ocinghaM line at Stourbridge and Kidderminster were much more
~n'enient than those proposed by the Great Western, the stations
` the latter being at the first-named place ninety feet above the
level of the town.
disl.`nn. ans..; er to a question from Mr. V. Stewart, whether the coal
;_ et south of Dudley, over which the line passed was similar in
whets character to that between Dudley and Wolverhampton, or
sn...her the whole of the mines would have to be purchased, Mr.
answered that all that portion of strata called the Ten
lard Coal, would have to be purchased to a limited extent on both
et of the lines
Mr,
in the lams, iron-waster at Tipton, was next called. He was
Bristol PUKltice of sending iron by the canal to Gloucester and
to ported. It
to be ex took a week and sometimes a fortnight
ha • there, and was often detained at Gloucester by the goods
br: ianke ° be taken from the narrow on to the broad guage at the
e there. A railway ought to take them in eighteen hours.
„nhiegreater portion of his goods in their transit to the ports from
c n he exported would require the narrow gauge.
s
•examined by Mr. CoctiatiaN—He would prefer theshortest
yie'wo.l railway, providing the question of gauge was kept out of
. If a bread and narrow gauge were placed along the line,
hla objection w
would be removed.
rinwioui e Birmingham, tor the -ratt'llod by Mr. WHITNIO RE —He considered the best line
Car would be that proposed to be taken along the
Wolverhampton, and Shrewsbury scheme
With d connect South Staffordshire in the most direct manner
..London, and save 20 or 30 miles.
the ALL"
cross-examined this witness respecting the sinkings
district,of
n without leading to anything beyond what was eli-
citedei t/re examination of the previous witness.
" Committee then adjourned till twelve o'clock tomorrow.

Group N.
WEST CORNWALL.
On the assernbling of the Committee,
Mr. Rowe said he had only been informed yesterday afternoon
Ithat it was the intention of the promoters of the Bill to erect their
:e*Minus close to the mansion of Lord Vivian, whom he repre-
„4,,ted• His lawn and pleasure.grounds would thus be destroyed ;
„Tim " the line would come immediately under his drawing room
o
a.nn.t.'id°wt, and destroy the foundations of the house, he had t
',,,Y ,t° the Committee to take steps to prevent them from carry_
'd''elf. "us intenticn Into effect. The termini of railways were -
'fleeted on the maps of the House of Commons, and conse
quently he might the inte
,_
Learned ns of the promoters of the Bill. He did no . ._'!n Friends, for they were not bound to specify t
ha iairise otr°f.
'ttiurti in question on the map.
ilir„ ' Blitclivoi,on the part of the promoters of the Bill, said there
n'er was any intention of intruding on his Lordship's grounds.ar
th!.!erniinus in question would be erected on Garras wharf, Ile
v -ertiro Creek, within the limits of the town, and beyond the
Park.
gates of his Lordship.
tht_le_Cntnrnittee thought that they hs4 no power to interfere in
Lhotiziatyspkoeinftitsdowout and suggested Mist the Learned Counsel
kr.
1.v,, , a 'course.
sja,, n,tiey, a surveyor of some years' experiencewhirh iwnouCldornb-e
im,tt,tewas then exanained respecting the property
:nt:trpeco.d.dbandohsk,anlidne,wmh ore particular ly the spot wh-eref
~,,
onded be bu, the rester part of which is itTleobtertmteirntuhline
he high water com
would be easy of access. T
Which hegth though to would be t
fh ewbheiscths p; as t
the
erapathat
otriii rras wharf, and the mud-bank, part tiered
TYheowfitLonerscot
WVailvtihan, is at most times cov with water.
:I,ni.n „ho he line over examined
bY
Mr.
had of Mr. Thomas, at
gYe •er the property HARTLEY respecting
Mellin.th
tr Inmossible to get to the turnpike-roadßill. lt Petitioned against the
without would
: ioi .
°tring the railway, and would cut off carriage commro
IVg On te his house. Mr. Thomas, in going to Tru .or
en24nces Must cross the line twice. A line could be made with-
(Alt crossing turnpike-reeds, hut there would be more cutting. The
property on the north side of the turnpike road is not so valuableas
thataa
v inogn
ott.h
one
south,rie o t side;w
oaaninindsfriworuoltut3ii
deirbl.
than
from
0
In answer to quoesctil
were
_ carriel more:
triboaroth4w4arydarienßei
obtained.ittecan s,,nsland
he said
soani d that
Mr. Blaciiku said it was, per
be carried more
tmh er
he intendedpetitioner's
property. it i fc
otuhle lion
not
the terminus at T
from the river.
Mr. Edward Sharp, Cuitorns,
not generally undestood that
Truro %vas not for passengers, but for goods landed
Wharf the best
advantage. .
the
for the terminus, and that it would offer many.
Agent at Truro, thought rras
t e commerce of the river, and to those engaged in it.
Captain Moorsont, civil engineer, was examined, and said the
plans and
line sections had been executed under his direction. The
between Truro to Redruth would be best worked by
atmospheric lovon,' , Ater, but might be worked with equal safety by
;t . otive. n might be worked by the locomotive system
atrneighteen or twenty miles an hour in perfect safety ; by the
42.°!Pheric traction at fifty ur sixty miles an hour, but thirty miles
781 our would be about the average. There are no peculiar
7' Meeting difficulties between Redruth Truro,
I'ollnd is very hilly.
Having regard ton the characterexcept that
of the
heeowtaY and the towns in the neighbourhood of the proposed line,
to ~a_ 0f opinion that it would afford efficient accommodation
,r,e: that °f
There is no tunnel in the line. The line between In that lisi "d
Penzance would be better worked by locomotion.lbe
4 iutt
_enite there is no engineering difficulty. 1 8 0,0. 0 0/. . i
line ancl_, can to construct all the works in connexion with the
f
Wneii I' to get it into working condition. The annual expense o
t, 4 the line when completed he estimated at 40/. per cent. on
4 rstE„
as' `• He estimated the total amount which would be re.
-110qd f..
th* .of
the line asHe had estimated this from
in Ll"ting traffic, and in 'doing so had rather reduced than
11::-.7d It. 10,0001. a }ear would be required to maintain the
of 44 efßcient condition, and there would be a net profit
trtlatui.ePer rent. on the outlay. The witness then described ti ie
ad of
~, gradients and curves of the line, and stated that the
ba`rt" Truro would be much benefited by carrying it to Garrad. s
so ed If it were made to the north of the town it would not be
acco_vanageous. It would be more expensive, and would not
Thomas' the trade. The line would run at the back of Mr.
the
. ouse in an old cutting.
lenitube, witness was cross.examined by Mr. EIRCHAM at great.
vuTtodh:;.,:othtehe general construction of the line, the bridges which
effect
_run overgirta,dtiheentwa.eight of the engines, and their probable
14ttiled"..'tne" Was under examination when the Committee ad-

ili r
CALF Group DD.
C"• DONIAN, GLASGOW, DUMFRIES, AND
ART ~
JUNCTION
ItA4L'SLE AND THE CLYDESDALE
-.•,.,t,v A ys
The c . •
shortly °Minittee assembled at the usual hour this morning, and
tneritionafter
ea
ahporio;eeded to the consideration of the important schemes
•s,The folio • '
,r•
r°sving counsel appeared in support of the Caledonian line.
Me Sandford n'"orn, Mr. Talbot, Mr. Sergeant Wrangham, Mr. Hope,
th..t, and Mr. Cowan.
lay C° Bu
opened t proceedingshoer w
w'i oiu ielhd
he at,/,,:re the Mmittee ahe brief outline oft y the schemeg for all v._
.d• Co
The object of the line now submitted was to connect
its CentralCarlisle and intermediate points of Schottleandwith
Ihno;to for,,
_trirl and southern parts, and thence by
. abbrtawnacen
Liverpool,
_a, uninterrupted line of communication between
ande south-west of
Xeßiaurrer, and other large towns in the sou.
it,94f
iidwsasy:
if:',:4ornai
ed.
ueiv
lei nn tesu awl
ey
uwl
di t
heLondon. s t i
tTuht
ee
ae ffceecnt
toi
nf
ut to]:
sjunction
y fro line would be to constitute a continuous line ofliner
The line pro.
°fte end of Great Britain to the other. thirse,.. eta nor end
Carlisle, with a branch to Dumfries of
slio,t ;:i_rniles.iit length ;it then pursues a similar direction with a
Promu;,"hation to the west, skirting the Solway Forth as near as the
Until it of the sea will admit. Its course is then through Lnari:sliinirtee
10 br has reached the 'icing of Lanark, where it is divided
to Gik.:4ehes, one of which proceedsy
to Edinburgh, and the other
Mit". g°,,,w• The length ofthe line from Carlisle to Lanark
birsalc;
all the'• he. branches to the north.oast and north-west em
of
lasgow, unportant districts in the neighbourhoodconnecting
the „, and Edinburgh. From the line
the
Alan :,'_''n line with Glasgow it would appear from n
rot kt:l'at there were two small branches proceeding from Oeertoa
114, nl't
fakir miles by the Wishart Railway. At Motherwell
.the
tlydeadehes off to the south of the Clyde, and runs into
the runele Junction by means of which it is connected with
the at Glasgow: The southern branch connects the whole of
throlee f,o,uthern
maGinl Glasgow
Scotland with the
1'1.0,1
Irth ths coast of Ayrshire, and then to Greenock and. . tiverpooei
so Manchester, and other important towns in the west and
°f
fnbroken line of communication withg
Ittll,ll, other
icoat itt,incinoaaiinrad:.:
csrtgsverit • • • lines of railway, by
The ether branch at Motherwell goes to
the existing
'win be"' Which the communication of the main trunk
e elYde, whictearried to the north of Glasgow and . h
tht di,r_ h is the most eligible point for having a. terminus,
eight stir ce
._ frorn the point of division at Lanark being t • nty-
elydes., " ; and of the two proposed branches the line l'bye'thtehre
, re_ai.le Junction was shorter by two miles than by anyi,a.
igrol!0 ds the use of the railways already existing, by which it.
kinvorn'ed to connect the trunk line with the different parts of the
the diffe'r Pro Per arrangements have already been entered into with
keSt tr„a " Companies, all of whom have agreed that their
nat '''e, under proper restrictions, shall be rendered subordi-
Th;
Intt eubservient to the purposes of the important trunk line..
vents
of the Castlecary Railway is 10 miles, which, in
Aar ts :'on with other lines, connects the southern and northern
awci °f
Scotland togeLher. It would be unnecessary for him to
litle en
the immense advantage which the proposed
on 4,.., pill be generally to the country. It was true tha t
,iu,:po" starting from Lanark the line embraces a comparatively
~
or so ur" nt track of country, and not requiring so immedia e Y,
But itgentlY, the construction of a railway as the midland parts.
Dort,t sl:",}d be recollected, that this comparatively unimi-
ttire,
and district was devoted principally to agricu -
'orlon, . a railway would tend considerably to .
.the
for i,., l'tion of its produee, by affording greater fac.ilities
Pkrti: eonveyance to the neighbouring markets. In the midland
on in c,w_h'eh were the great centre of all the manufactures l arried
.
tnttat b'eotland, it would be unquestionable that the proposed line
elec,_e or inestimable advantage. On the whole it must be con_l,oln; to the,, u Committee that a line of railway which
Scotia
_,-kninect together no less than twelve counties .of
ii,,,,,kin_., containing upwards of 1 752,871 inhabitants, which
Utibrojnjoin Scotland with England', and which would form an
theli of connnunication between the great cities of
the "' Liverpom, Edinburgh, and Glasgow, must be of
itite,,allit:st essential importance to the commercial in.
koss tiii
L"and convenience of the inhabitants of the
17-POPulateci parts of the kingdom. He was aware