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and calculations of the Honourable Member for
Liskeard (Mr. Charles Buller), but those calculations
had been read so rapidly by him that he was unable to folll
him through them even were he willing, which at that ,
hour he was not, to trouble the House by replying
to House
But since he had submitted his own calculations to the Wu!.
on a former occasion, he had sent to the Factory Inspectotersr
who had submitted them to six of the most experienced
manufacturers in Lancashire. That calculation showed that
the necessary reduction of wages, consequent on this mess he
being carried, would he between 23 and 25 per cent. ; and, !
could assure the House that the master manufacturers ne
ew:
luded to had made calculations from their own beet."
and they all concurred that his calculation wri
thoroughly a correct one. Now if the House sQhnnj,
be of opinion that one of the two things which he (Sir
Graham) feared would happen—either that this dreadful
nution of wages would occur, or that our machinery an
capital would fly to other lands, and cause a consequent a
diminution in the labour of our own ; if the House shoull thint
either or both of these evils would result, surely it must IA;
before consenting to a measure like this.—( Hear, hear.)
was bound to state he felt himself sold his Hon., Colleague;
behind him most painfully situated in being opposed by a great
body of gentlemen with whom he had voted with very
satisfaction, and from whom the Government had receive,'
constant and cordial support. But he ( Sir J. Graham) was
deeply impressed with the magnitude of the interests invero
in the principle then under discussion, that he felt—anu. la
said it most sincerely, and with pain—that he could not yield
one point on the present occasion.—( Loud cheers.) All
dust in the balance to him compared with the sense of
which controlled him.—( Loud cheers. )e w
fled our manufacturing and commercial
stake, and on this prosperity the House might depend thatto
peace, happiness, and future prosperity of this country w!ng
indissolubly connected. —( Loud cheers.) To ti!' bs
could he (Sir James Graham) consent which 011,1
threaten seriously to interfere with our consoler
and manufacturing greatness. And it was, he conceived, ,he
duty of those who felt as he did, who entertained the pine
opinions, the same views and the same fears that he did, t,
eqriutiyte
w s2li st
t thei
resist the attempt which was now made to confirm the v?..t
of the other night. He put it to the House to rescind to!
vote, believing as he did, that it was a most dangerous 0050
—(Cheers.) He did feel called upon to entreat the I
carefully to reconsider the decision they had come to oth
former occasion. If it was re-affirmed he should view it tg•
the deepest regret ; if it was reversed with the highest 'a rtl
faction; for by such a vote only could he now look forward
to the maintenance of the greatest interests of this country.nder..,
Mr. COLLETT (amidst tremendous uproar) was uncle
stood to say that he should vote for the Noble Lord (Ashler
and against the proposition of the Government.
Mr. BECKE r T said that it had been stated that he wu
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not justified in stating what he did on a former occasion.
Did the Right Hon. Gentleman who had made that state soli
recollect what he did state? If he did, he was sure hew °,;O
not have made the statement. He hoped he should ,tans
in the opinion of the Committee as incapable of
statements that he did not believe. He had "-bat
that he was for an Eleven Hours' Bill ; 0
he was decidedly opposed to a twelve hours' one, and that
the opinion of his constituents. Now, there was a Tflala'e4;lllo •
that had been presented to the Government, and what vieleseo
statement in that memorial? Why, they wished the Pr, he
Bill to be withdrawn, rather than have the ten hours, 10n4la
said that they would get as much out of an Eleven Hours
as a thirteen one.
i 1
Sir J. GRA H AM wished to read part of the mem° I, 'Or
was signed by Mr. Marshall, and most of the priticiPai,npes
spinners in Leeds, and a considerable portion of the no/
manufacturers. Now what was stated in that memorial .e pot
that the hours of working for women and young people Sif fiiros
oppressive or injurious to health—that the reduction et
by fifty-eight hours per week, which would be the effect Olui ba
Noble Lord the Member for Dorsetshire's proposition, 'Woe*,
followed by a serious reduction in the earnings of thew
and would inflict upon the memorialists the most seriouetitsv
sequences. The Honourable Member for Leeds had 400 re.
that the manufacturers were desirous of an Eleven 9 Wb!
Bill. Now what did the memorialists themselves state? boo
that they were desirous that no legislative enactment' 9,1
be made that would infringe upon the present system, !ill tbs
trusted that the Government would withdraw the
ten hours' clause was insisted on. is ne
Mr. ALDAM said that the memorial was signed b be-
seven of the largest flax-spinners in Leeds; in fact,
t betel'sthe
tiered that none of the manufacturers of that g s
b, had refused to sign it. It was signed also tops,
great number of the woollen manufacturers of
and he believed that only ten manufacturers 100 it.
place had refused to append their names t, pas
On the whole, the opinion of the manufacturers in Lead
against a Ten Hours', and in favour of an Eleven Henrsbeven
—( Cheers.) In point of fact, the adoption of an The
Hours' Bill would not make any material difference gas
gat
present hours of labour were eleven and a half in t
manufacture, and eleven in the woollen manufactuvetoort
manufacturers of Leeds were anxious for an Eleven
Bill, as a final settlement of the question. h one of
Mr. MITCHELL had on Tuesday conversed with bieet•
the largest flax manufacturers in the kingdom on the su irbst
The Leeds manufacturers were merely flax spinneri• „if of
gentleman was a flax manufacturer, he employed 111)°%. 10
4,000 people as bleachers, dressers, weavers, and sPinete;redae;
answer to his question as to what would be the effect n' ha"
tion of the hours of labour to ten hours, that gentlernat who
stated that one-sixth of the men of his establishroeno:o be
were employed in dressing, weaving, and bleaching, w
thrown out of employment. Leeds
Lord HOWICK reminded the Hon. Member for toile
that they were about to divide on the question whether ,f thel
should be the number of hours of labour or not, and ;ooelJ
vote against the motion, if twelve should be rejected, it blast;
be still competent to either of them to propose that the
should be filled up with eleven.
Sir J. GRAHAM reminded the Committee, that the te.
tion was, whether they should adopt ten hours or not was the
Mr. HINDLEY wished to ask the Chairman what I
question upon which they were really going to divide? does:
Mr. GREENE (the Chairman) said that the an'cat tIF
before the House, and upon which he should first re t,
Wer3
question was, that the blank should be filled up with eh'.-eteatA
`• ten." If that should be rejected, it would be Onir„
o'l
any Member to move that the blank should be filled !: 00,"
the word " eleven." If that were negatived, then the p
question would be that it should be filled up with the
" twelve." Coto'
Mr. MUNTZ wished to draw the attention of tk' 11"
mittee to a very paradoxical statement made by thends";
Member for Clitheroe. He had stated that no mute° ',Or
little as the English masters, and no men received so
_,oll'
the English workmen. Now he knew something, of the '010:
facturers on the Continent, and he believed that, in rieglills
the foreign manufacturers paid much less than the
manufacturers, and that the English workmen received tberte
less than many of the foreign workmen. He belieee'of
was not any one acquainted with the manufacturertebe fle*
Continent who could not contradict the statement 0f
Member for Clitheroe. COP°t
Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, and the
divided, when there appeared—
lB
For the twelve hour clause
Against it— ..• 18da
Majority against the Government... peN
A second division then took place before strangert,
mitted, on the ten hours' clause, when there appeareu
ISt
For the clause ..
Against it lB5
......
Majority against the clause .......... did
On our return to the gallery we found 110
Sir JAMES GRAHAM addressing the 1-I(3e-"' Pre" of
the House had decided that there ;would neither bodeeciiioo
Hours' nor a Ten Hours' Bill. He respected tile,„restlf
the House, and he had a great regard for the great 01%; jig bt,
cerned; and he thought he would best discharge
iTI tboogse
postponing till Monday any further proceeding. ctsir°
therefore, that all would agree with him that the
csa
should report progress and ask leave to sit again. one
Lord ASHLEY, amidst much confusion, said-- e ,r
b
be more ready than lam to bow to the decision of t to Iv.
I ventured at the outset to make a very solemn sees tbert,)
feelings, and I will not presume to impugn, e'en
the justice or humanity of this august assembli't 'eel
refs. iJ
Although defeated now, I think I am not guilty lr
tion in saying that I have a right, and that I wt
myself that right, of endeavouring to assert t.:ne vsies',l
have this evening advocated, on every legitiMate nece A
will persevere to the very latest period of say existeo_ foal
have not the slightest doubt that, in a very short tiln,eurob,ooo
period, by God's blessing, I shall haves complete et
the
The Cita tam sat then reported progress, en ti °it
resumed. A of, 3St.
The other Orders of the Day were then dietve,,-,,,dal tie
House adjourned, at a Quarter before Two to 1"" cup:
t. c'*#
BRITISH AND FOREIGN INSTITUTE.--iAf Ow" tO
ingham delivered the concluding lecture of 1100100
Palestine, on Thursday, at the Hanove square sit
r- °ken .„
numerous audience, who testified by their unur ril,
the interest felt in the subject. rege-0301,
CURIOUS CIRCUALSTANCE.—There is 5t golij
the possession of Katherine Robertson, residing4ed in slosis
a ring or virl of copper, which she found inth,e,"of the
piece of coal, the inside of which was quite fa" s
mineral.— Stirling Journal. OP a b'
MR. BUNN'S BENEFIT.-011 ThursdaYill b',o;,lo°
enterprising manager takes his benefit, an was P!,;
assistance of the principal performers engage„,„ day,
Theatre—among the rest the great lion of uremia,' Gaya
prez. The first piece announced is The hd 31isd of
which Messrs. Borrani, Hudson, Harrison,4-e'course,or.P,t
forth will perform the chief parts. In tar,oncerttZeies;i
evening will be introduced a miscellaneoult; gos Sid,
ing of—" Reminiscences of Ireland," hY.„?'',lishDap
popular ballad, by Miss Romer • the by 3.,-Nift.Hl',l)
13alfe, of " While I gaze on those dear ed Itan r„ st•
Concerto on three pianofortes, to be perform
4,38 ;
Dulcken, Mr. Benedict, and Mr. Mosei.- ede by #
Scene, by Mrs. Alfred Shaw ; " La Rollnbc, suit, sie,go,
Ginevra," composed by performances wiLl termini' occ.Aii°
Duprez, The evening's will this
teh
new divertissement, composed expressly f°l
1 e9lll by M. Albert. SeVers '0 cl
BRISTOL BNKRUPTCY COURT.---.,. 40-t
considered to bees wound up for years Plod' ""nesirelY c,°•eSii.‘lo
of investigation, and creditors who had. eng ott
their claims, have been surprised 011 iv dea issne
the official assignees of their being entritte'"•ssion isrerls'
the case of Walter Jacks (against the rerniTtwo deoef
upwards of forty years since), a divides ainoot
40. ia
the 6th instant, on debts proved to the at least of J°l,,e
70,0001. We learn that a dividend. of ate estate
pound will in a short time be declared 0 t`,. „rocee"the
Wood, a banker, at Cisrda, in which the lits_";.,re es
fore the Comiilissioners took place so long
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