The Sun.
London, England, 1828-11-24 00:00:00

:o Mr. Lawless's proposition, he would say that

had his full sanction; but he could not but regrei
the irrelevancy of some of the topics which were
urged in its support, and especially the untimeliness
of certain animadversions upon past transactions.—
As to the mission to England, and the proposal that
the persons engaged upon it should be paid out of
the rent, he for one would say that every sentiment
of his mind was opposed to such a project. He not
only would not consent to the appointment of paid
missionaries, but if any individual received the pro-
posed compensation, he never again would collect,
or sanction the collection of, the poor man's pence.
(Cheers.) Speaking of the conduct of the Duke of
Norfolk, and certain members of the British Catho-
lic Association, on a recent occasion, he said he dif-
fered altogether from the sentiment expressed by
these individuals ; but still he would yield to them
the right of delivering a free and fearless opinion,
which war, conceded to the most rancorous Orange-
men who entered the walls of the Association.—
(Loud cheers.)
Mr. O'CONNELL observed, that Mr. Lawless had
spoken of a deputation of whiclr no man dreamed.
A mission to England was intended, but not vested
with any speeies of authority, nor delegated to do
any thing bin to defend their political and religious
principles.—(Hear.)--He thought that when Mr.
Lawless observed upon what he said upon the cleri-
cal wing, he was about to contradict sonic of his
statements. He denied then, as now, that the mea-
sure then contmplated was vetoistical ; but he now
would join with Mr. Lawless in equally condemning
it. ' But where the,y were all agreed in opinion, it
was ridiculous to think that their time should Le
thus frittered away, particularly when they had so
much business before them.--(hear,)
t,ord KILLEEN thought, when entering the room,
he should not find the Catholics, in 1828, discussing
questions which he imagined had been filially settled
in 1823.—(Hear.)—He came theie for the purpose
of opposing a resolution, •which, he trusted in God,
would never be carried in , those rooms—that re-
specting exclusive dealing.—(lle4r.)—He knew the
gentleman with whom that re 501.110,04 had originated,

and he did.not know one for whom he entertained a
higher personal respect, but still he felt it an impera-
tive duty upon him to oppose him on the present
occasion.--(Hear.)—He did not now stand up to
oppose the resolution which was before the chair ;
but he thought the preamble to that resolution was
quite unnecessary. He had no fear that the wings
would ever ke sanctioned by Ministers. He thought
so from having read the speeches of Lord Eldon
and Mr. Peel, who declared themselves opposed to
the disfranchisement of the forty shilling freeholders ;
and John Bull had certainly manifested a most laud-
able disinclination to the pensioning of the clergy,
for he did not like the expence.—(Hearand laughter.)
He would rather the question of securities had not
been agitated ; but, as they had been, they should
now be fairly met. If he were to admit that securi-
ties were necessary, he would be bound to acknow-
ledge that civil equality would be fraught with dan-
ger. On the contrary, he thought that the raising
himself and others to the station they should occupy
would give far greater security to the peace of the
country than it was now possessed of.—(Hear.)—
In conclusion, he would say, that he would never
agree to any kind of emancipation which should not
leave to every person the rights of which he was al-
ready possessed.—(Cheers.)
Mr. J. C. BRADY considered it was right that the
Catholic Association should give their opinion upon
the clerical wing. The Catholics had already, at se-
' veral meetings, declared themselves hostile to the
disfranchisement of the freeholders. But if they
manifested particular vehemence upon one, and were
totally silent upon the other, must not that silence
be construed into an acquiescence on their part.
Mr. FORD considered that the disfranchisement of

the forty-shilling freeholders would be a robbery ; at
the same time he wished their enemies to under-
stand, that if they disfranchised those frenholders,
they would but give to the Catholics greater cer-
tainty of returning whatever members they pleased ;
.for then the shopkeepers ia the towns, who were
almost universally possessed of 201. freeholds, would
have the election iu their hands, and those shop-
keepers were either Catholics or dependant upon
Catholics for support. He was opposed to the cle-
rical wing. With every deference for Lord Killeen,
he felt himself bound to persevere in the resolution
he had originated with respect to dealing with friends
to civil and religious liberty.
The motion of Mr. Lawless was then put from
the Chair, and passed unanimously.
Mr. GORMAN then read the following letter
from Mr. Eneas M'Donnell
" London, Nov. 17, 1828.

"My Dear Sir—l received yours of the 14th, and for-
warded its enclosure on receipt. I was in hopes of being
enabled to communicate some information that might affect
the intended proceedings as to the British Catholics,but have
not been so fortunate as to meet the gentleman with whom
I proposed to communicate. I hope that nothing will be
done hastily in so serious an affair as the maintenance or
severance of the union between the Catholic bodies in
Great Britain and Ireland. It may not be amiss to re-
mind you, that the" petition proposed by the Committee,
and adopted by the Association, last Monday, prays for un-
conditional Emancipation, and it may be considered rea-
sonable that such official papers should be esteemed the
most correct indications of the sentiments of the body from
which they emanate.
" Enough has appeared to elicit a strong expression of

our feelings, in order that we may not be exposed to an
erroneous interpretation of oar silence. But it appears to
my humble judgment to be quite another question, whe-
ther we may not continue in co-operation with, or rather
avoid a painful and angry separation from that portion of
our fellow sufferers who are engaged in promoting the ge-
neral principles of civil and religious freedom.
" I should not do justice to my sense of duty were I to
withhold my declaration of the courtesy and indulgence
which I have experienced from British Catholics, collec-
tively and individually, from the commencement of my
official intercourse with themdown to the present moment.
To this general position my memory does not, at this mo-
ment, furnish one single exception. lam compelled, by
the same sense of honourable obligations, to add, that I
have uniformly observed, in all their public meetings,
and in their committees, the most earliest desire to mark

their sympathy in the condition of my country ; and to
notice, with forms of honour and favour, every effort made
on her behalf ; and also to aid, by their own speeches,
and the distribution of tracts, at very considerable expense,
in exposing the falsehood of her calumniators, and justify-
ing the character and conduct of her people. It would
be the excess of base injustice on my part, were I not to
add that, in this course of friendship, no individual Bri—
ton, Protestant or Catholic, has, according to my expe-
rience, manifested more sincerity or zeal than the illus-
trious Duke at the head of the British Catholic body. I

should, therefore, again submit for consideration, how far

would be advisable to come in direct collision with our

fellow-sufferers here. One angry step may place us in
position far beyond that which would be contemplated ;
and I own I have no fears ; but the interests of Ireland
may be well guarded without any such severance.
" Moreover, I can never get rid of the consideration,

that we have a common enemy to encounter, and that
nothing of absolute necessity would justify us in breaking
up our compact and united powers of resistance on ag-
gression.
" I trust that if it shall be considered that such abso-

lute necessity does not exist, we may still go forward doing
all the good we can together in good fellowship and good
humour ; and, above all, I suggest that no adverse demon-
stration be hastily adopted. Should any information be
desired from me, I shall, of course, be prepared to meet
every inquiry ; and indeed I cannot anticipate that any other
conclusions can be drawn from the fullest information,

than those to which my judgment has already arrived.—
Believe the that all those pernicious securities shall be vigi-
lantly watched at this side of the water ; and with that
prompt support which you evince such readiness to contri-
bute to our anti-security operations here, 1, for one, do
not feel that our interests can be endangered by a continued
union with British Catholics, particularly as 1 am perfectly
certain that the great majority, indeed the whole, with
very few exceptions, are as adverse in principle to such
measures as your faithful servant,
" ENEAS MACDONNELL.

" E. Dwyer, Esq. &c.
" It may be right to state that I write and forward this
!ester without any concert or privity with any British Ca-
tholic, or, indeed, any other person whatsoever."

THE As SOC lAT lON.—The rooms of the
Catholic Association were very full yesterday. Amongst
many persons of distinction present we observed his High-
ness Prince Pup,: NILLSKA 11, the moat Noble the Marquis
of CIA NRIC KI)E, Lord Viscount ACHESON, (eldest son of
Earl GOSFORD), Lord SEYMOUR, (SOll of his Grace
the Duke of SOMERSET), Lord Viscount KILLEEN, Sir T.
Esmorinv., 'Jure:Let ; DANIEL. O'CONNELL, Esq. M.P.,
&c. &c. It was stated that either the Duke of LEINSTER,
or the Marquis of CLANRICARDE will preside at the dinner
to be bivera to the friends of civil and religious liberty in
this city to Lord Viscount Morremr, who is at present in
Ireland. Lord MonrErn is the eldest son and heir of the
Earl of CARLISLE, an English Protestant Peer, of the il-
lustrious name of HowAno.—Dublin Freeman's Journal
of Friday.

Mu. G. CROLY'S SALATIII EL.—We Under-
stand, that in consequence of the very extraordinary success
of this splendidtale, Mr. Commas, with discriminate libe-
rality,bas offered its author the great sum of nine hundred
guineas for a new series.

COUNTY OF WEXFORD LIBERAL CLUB.-
We are happy to find, from a requisition which appears in
another column, that the County of Wexford Liberal Club
is progressing in its details. A Baronial Club Meeting is
to be held en next Monday, in the Barony of Bantry, which,
it is expected, will be most numerously and respectably at-
tended.— Waterfrrd Chronicle.

Such is tile vivacity of the silk trade in this
purter, that this afternoon, the Calton bellman was pro-
rtaiiiiing through the Borough that a number of girls, from
.10 to 11 years of age, were wanted as silk-pieces in the
winding and throwing silk-mill in Bridgeton.—Glasgow
Chronicle.

The Editors of the Times and Sun news-
papers have
to e
excite the sympath-
done themselves infinite credit by their en-
deaNuurof our countrymen for the
unfortunate Spaniards who have sought refuge in this land
Of freedom, flout the sword of persecution. It gives us
.vy
much pleasure to perceive that their labours have been suc-
cessful, and that measures are now in progress by which
it is hoped the necessaries of life will be provided for the
poor outcasts.—Staff rdshire Mercury.

The herrings are a good deal longer than usual
in making their appearance in the Frith this season. On
Wednesday an experienced fisherman set out from Nov-
haven to make a trial, and he returned on Thursday clen-
ing with only two herrings.... Seotsman.

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