The Sun.
London, England, 1819-06-30 00:00:00

1.11.15il STILL AI N E3i;.

I,v •Commiurc, Sir .lAm:is
C;it ‘ll Am ', tike -01, the {wither c( iti‘tera-
tim) (Et he 1 ish Sliil Flues 11:11.

:C HUTCltxs-oN -woke at -some length
against t;.e tll. Ile contine.nced by obicetittig to
'he Bill Altogether ; becanse, in his opinion, it
was calculate‘ri 1,0 do away with :57..st•etn tit hich
had 'heeii ;Pound ben• fjcial to Ireland. Tile Hon.
liernher, rater -referring to a pamphlet written by
qtr Ch,ieliester, -said, that if the Chlocellor -of the
Exchequer touch read it, and believed the charges
which it contai-ned, lie ought to have discharged
almost all the O# cars of Excise in Ireland ; if, on
the other hamd, the did not believe the charges to
he true, it was his dairy to have peosecitted .the
t hoc of Meryl for a libel. Oneof the greatest evils
to Ireland ,the system of illicit , especially
to the North of Ireland, had been done away bythe
syetent, as would appear by retetring to the
official tettlclii ?for three yearn before and three
reats tett, t the adoption 44 that aysterst. lie
rottylai,ed Ilia: the Hints, stottild two;
he csth ii Afyon to do away a system which
tivol tended to do away crib illicit distillation.—
Ile olsjeete,t lir ilais IF•cstise, ilia:esti of the
fining -system, which had heen attended pith sot:-
eess. it or<iposed to soh:fitute a POIIPC. %Chide
would mike every town io Guest Britain answer-
able for illicit distillation carried on in the North
of Irelatut. The Police of a single B irony mould,
accoiding to the regulations of this Bill, eNti...e
act expence ot tour tnno51.111(: 8-year 10 the
couti'vy•
Mr. CHICHESTER remarked, if 'the wilier of the
pamphlet in question hiAd !ii) far forgotten himself
;is to bring calumnious anti unfounded charges
against the Officers of Excise. and if this writer
was, as had been argued by the Holt. illetni)er
who had just sat tiowil. a very .fit sohjeet for pi,.
4eV11(1011 it was rather singular the Law Officers
for the Crown in Ivehtnil bad never thought of
prosecoting him upon any of those aripnoscd 04-
Iwirnieg, It was not to he supposed they were
i,foetralit of that which had reached the Hon.
Member, tor that they required to he sharpened
iiit hair attention to their duty, by the assistance
of the admonitions of the Hon. iklember.—flu
most cordially supported the motion.
`file CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, in an-
iwtr to lilt Hutt. Aleniber, (Mr. Hutch;uson),
assured the Committee, that the 41011. Gentleman
had been forming hasty ConCluSiconS CM the line
of toothier which he had formerly adopted. Every
arse must be aware of the impressions which the
supposed severities of the taw:made on the people
of Ireland ; but be had no doubt but they would
find that they had been misled by interested mis-
representations. 'flee benefits would counter-
balance the supposed danger to the inoesis of the
people. He contradicted the asset tion that the
innocent would be punished with the guilty. and
that the mairitettancta ot the police for the co,llec-
(ion, of taxes would fall upon the general re-
verie. The operations of the Bill would clearly
distinguish between the innocent and the guilty;
and if any deficiency arose from the maintenance
of
,the civil authorities, it would tall ou the local
revenue. and not am the general revellue.
General HART said, that the Pamphlet describ-
ed scents which were in many respects well holm!.
ed. lie velittired to assure the Committee that
tour instances out of five were trot. The effects
have been, that emigrations have been excited to
arnotiot cit 25,000 persons last year from
prtry, and that this year the emigrations would
he greatly increased. in America, those eini-
wawa stand forward as our avowed and hiiir rest
lit the pertect recollection ot the hard-
ships which they have endured in their native
they became, when naturalized iii Acne•
ries, Ole trro,t implaciaile enemies which tile Bri-
tish Goverierneut hied in any foreign country. The
natives ot America were Hot &Ciliated by such bitter
antipatiries. Mi tills the -gallant Officer IttleW
front having beers long on the Staff in Ireland.
Lord ?lutist. C tiAttLaS Vindicated in some de-
gree the cliaractee sot the Author of the ed..,
pliSet. Whatever Gentlemen might pretend, the
pamphlet contained many facts. Tie measure
maw about to be propose(! Must be very much
improved betore it ought to pass into a law.
Sir H. PARN.s:LL thought that the Bill for pro-
tontine small stills have heen brought in and
passed durinz Aire present Session, atteropt
lieeu made sofiicieetily early.
[AIM CASTLFREAGH thought that there were
two objects to be considered as regarding this
measure the one 115 Vs the liar tree and t'ligibiiity
ref siti>ol stills ; the oilier, nil 14) tile t'Saiiiiblittietit
of a police in the pits in oluestiir,t. fie hail no
doubt that the small sills were the true remedy
h m
for fire evil complained of, tl9 Pl.tfeeCiiig the me•
this 'ocetS A weasor.e 4 „t 4) he satin
mitred for the considerat oil: of 71441.11,1111C2it so
thuct by the next Session Geutlemen might
live informed thermic-144:s up-on the iiiehje,4 haute
idle 10 be adopted immediately. Time should he
giveu toe its consideration ; for nothing was inure
likely to defeat the system of small 1t1.113 Clan ttiliS
to filing it into discredit.
After some fitriber observatinos front Mr.
akwsosr, Sir Gattai.ze Ht.LL. (who took the
~ache view, of die subject as the Noble Lord),
and General liawri

Mr. V. FITZGYRALII remonstrated against the
comnivnis which had becn made upon the /Ate
it ish Govrvitisictit.

The disensition v..'81 (lien cmitilitied hytteeen
Lord J,lctlyn, the Itighi Hon. Nir. Pc.td,
NichiWis Collktirst.
Sx fifiNMY PARNELL
CO!offel BARHY regret thilt
Right fioli. il.,d out suilicient tirue 10 414 u.
4444 e ltik t,Krt of li4ll, beesi,,e lie Crilifilikreil ft
11V4'1" U 1110:31 iic

,i;o4( it w;”,1,1 he RgAill inrrr, htce 1, and that its
present omission w(),.1,1 not prevent it trom re-
,civiner ii tun criusidermion it Rome Other period.
It was certainly his 4.pinion, 111:1t Hi the Bill even
now stool it contained mail useful and valuable
regulations.

Mr. Maurice Fitzgerald, Mr. 'O'Callaghan, and
Mr. French, made some observations, but tlreir
import cool(' not he collected.
tieni l Hk•RT deprecated the contintlßTlCC of
any sysvem of severity in Ireland. Ali unneces,ary
severity nt punishment had been abandoned, not
only in the civil institutions, .hut in the army,
And even in the schools of England, Ile knew
no re, son for maintaining it in the other part of
the empire.
Lord JoCELYN Said a few words.

Mr. C. HUTcilNsc►N wag adverse to the Bill,
'ht''ca►►se it went totally .to change H system of law
,vhich had been 'found experimentally operative.,
and t-o introduce another, tl►e result of which
must be uncertain in every respect except that of
its imposing ad.litianal taxation►.
The Committee then proceeded to rend the Bill,
paragraph by paragraph ; and a great number of
amendments, chiefly verbal, were proposed and
withdrawn.

Amongst the Members who took a leading
part in this discussion, were the Chancellor at the
Exchequer, Colonel 13,trry, Sir George Hill, Mr.
Chichester, General flart, and some others.

The House divided on the Clause empowering
the levying of fines on town•lands by Grand Jury
presen►menrs.
Fortitetlanse
/Against it
►Majority in favour of the Clause.. -16
The other Clauses of the Bill having been agreed
tn, and %everal new ones adopted, the House re-
-sniped, and the report was ordered to be received
to-morrow.