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turned upon this, did the Government place the slightest
Credit in the statement of Vii,. Dobree ? If it did, it was
evident from the pro •e_,:li;z, of Cia Cou:t that
M. Dobree was unworthy of credit. In fact, he ap-
peared to be more fit for one of those asylums they hal
been disenssing that evening, than for the position he
held in the Church. He was not only in the habit of
Saying that there was. a 7plot to shoot the Governor, but
.that there was a plot to shoot himself. They only had
his word for the confession he said he had received from
Mr. Moulin. lie was in the habit of shutting himself
up in the church, nailing down the windows, and piss-
mg the night there. He would aLso wrap the union jack
round the pulpit, and then say he had no fear, as lie was
under the protection of the Blitish flag. He did not be-
lieve there was the slightest foundation for the supposi-
tion of a conspiracy.

Sir J. GRS.II AM sai.l the Hon: Gentleman assumed
that the Government rested wholly on the statement of
the reverend gentleman he had mentioned. But the fact
was not so. It relied in the first instance on the deli-
berate opinion of the Lieutenant-Governor, General
Napier, and further, on the additional evidence that had
been submitted to him, and sifted by Mr. Daniel.
Mr. HUME regretted the declaration that had been
made by the Right Hon. Secretary of State. He thought
that General Napier was under a delusion, and had taken
the statement of Mr. Dobree as well founded. The loyal
people of Guernsey ought not to suffer from the con-
tinuation of such a charge.
Sir J. GRAHAM said he did not entertain the slight-
est doubt of the loyalty of the great majority of the in-
babitano, but he did believe that in some small body of
them such a plot was formed.
_ _ _ _

Mr. AGIAONBY said the misfoitune of such dis-
cussions as these was, that they produced unsatisfactory
statements on both sides. If any proceedings were pend-
ing, it was of great importance that they should be
exaedited.

The motion was then withdrawn.
QUARANTINE LAWS.

De. BOWRING then brought forward his motion,
calling the attention of the House to the state of the
quarantine laws, and the necessity and security of great
modifications therein. He said he did not bring forward
the subject. in any angry or bitter feeling towards the
Government ; and proceeded to state that the regulations
on this subject had existed for four hundred years, as
they dated from the year 1440 ; the amount of human
Misery and suffering they had caused since that time was
inconceivable. The present quarantine law of this
country was the 6th of Geo. IV. c. 69, which imposed
the severest penalties on the masters of vessels not coin-
Plying with the regulations of the Act. The regulations
respecting this matter were very stringent, and, as he
thought, unnecessarily...so. It had been proved that the
plague was not latent in the human body for more than
fifteen days at the utmost. Any Hon. Gentleman who
had visited the Ottoman empire must have seen that so
far from a stringent system of quarantine stopping the
spread of the plague, the lazarettos were the means of
extending it. The plegue, like most other pestilential
and dangerous diseases, owed its intensity to the same
accessories as other diseases, namely, to a want of
drainage, ventilation, &c. When he was in Egypt his
attention was called to the fact that in the
places where the plague broke out with the
most violence, on the rerpoval of the persons
afflicted to the open desert, it almost immediately ceased.
In many parts of Egypt the plague was not found at all.
Our quarantine regulations were based on a strange
Principle. Articles which were liable to quarantine were
divided into two classes—susceptible and nonsusceptible.
Of these which were deemed susceptible, woollen, silk,
cotton, linen, and paper were the principal. Now, some
time ago he had moved for a return of the number of
Persons who had died on board our lazzarettos in conse-
quence of handling such articles as those he had men-
tioned. That return was nil, and yet we still main-
tained a strict and severe system of quarantine laws,
Which were not beneficial, and which would never have
the effect of checking the spread of disease, but, on the
contrary, were calculated to increase it, The mainte-
nance of this system of quarantine laws was only a sub-
mission to an old prejudice which, he believed,
would, in a few years pass away, as the
belief in witchcraft • had done before. As long
ago as 1720, Dr. Brown, in his controversy
with Dr. Mead, challenged him to state a single case
rn which plague would be communicated by merchan-
dise. The Hon. Member then referred to other authori-
ties in support of the same view. It was notorious that
when a plague in the East had ceased, the garments of
those who had been infected were sold in the public
bazaars ; and in no case he believed did they fetch less
than other clothes on account of that circumstatice. A
great number of plague garments had been introduced
!yen into this country, but no evil consequences had fol-
lowed from it.—(Hear, hear.) There were regulations of
all kinds with regard to plague, but those which most
aff,cted them were sea regulations. After a long pas-
sage, a vessel was delivered over to quarantine, and a great
and inconvenient delay occurred. There were no countries
',there there was a greater trade in contraband goods than
those who were subject to the plague ; and very fre-
quently the quarantine regulations were made the in-
strument of carrying on smuggling. The introduction
'lf quarantines in the East had had no effect in pre-
venting plagues. It would be wearisome to repeat the
idle stories which were circulated as to the contagious-
ness of plague ; such as that isolated houses wero at-
tacked, and ail the inhabitants died in consequence. The
simple fact was, that if the system were not connected
with certain pecuniary interests, it would long ago have
been abolished, The Hon. Member concluded by moving
a resolution as to the necessity of urging on foreign Go
yerninents increased relaxation in their laws of qua-
rantine.

Mr. GLADSTONE said there was notenaonudghLeinarcloi
Learned
between himself and the Hon,
Gentleman to make it necessary that he should oc-
cupy a great deal of time. The resolution called on the
House to recommend that foreign Governments should
proceed with relaxations of the quarantine system.
This was only consistent with the course which the
Government had hitherto pursued. They had taken
two steps—one was to introduce into their own ports all
the relaxation which they thought expedient, and the
other was to renew the attempt of their predecessors to
induce foreign Powers-to pursue a similar course. It did
not necessarily follow that they should give full geope to
the opinions which they entertained on this subject,
lest the effect Ahould be to produce a reaction
on the part of foreign POW6fs, and to pro-
voke themto impose new restrictions on tvgcle.—(Hear.)
They had not yet arrived at a state of things in which
anything like unanimity could be st:id to prevail upon the
great question whether or not plague was communicable
by contagion. The majority of opinions still inclined to
the affirmative. But then, on the other hand, all the
relaxations hitherto made had been found safe and
satisfactory in their operation, and this encouraged them
to persevere in applying the principle of freedom from
restriction. With respect to the system of quarentine
'which prevailed in this country, a very important rela,va.
,lion had been introduced by her Majesty's Government
Legt.the exercise of the powers of the Act of George the
; the Order in Council • having been pub-
latied in September last, which materially reduced
the time for which ships, both as regarded ear-
les, and persons, were required to undergo qua-
rantine. At present our system of quarantine
'its less strict than that of the other great Meditereas
ean Powers. With regard to ships having clean bills of
health, the present regulation of the United Kingdom
Was that goods underwent a quarantine of fifteen days
7M persons five; for suspected bills, goods from twenty-
fiv
„ e twenty-
to thirty days, and persons eight. In the Austrian
Otta, ships with clean bills underwent a quarantine of
lnty-one days for cargoes, for persons ten ; suspected
ills cargoes twenty-two days, persons eighteen ; foul
hill
canoes twenty-two, persons twenty-eight, This
country had invited Franca and Austria to a congress on
the subject, and had received from both a favourable
-ePIY. Some delay would necessarily take place before
.
nY definitive step couiu: be taken ; but he was sanguine
the hone that before Pari;3ment met again, it might be
; their.4
power to adopt some measure for the purpose of
Zinging the representatives of those great Powers into.
-"aference with those of this country on the subject
°Ae the further relaxation of the quarantine laws.
a was not aware that he could state any more en that.
fat!' of the subject. The Government was fully alive to
ta unportanoe, but they were of opinion that more would
lost then would be gained by the adoption of any
Dree • 'pitate step.
HUME was sure the country would be gratified
by the ctunmanication of the Right. Hon. Gentleman.
,„,e, had regreeta that no step had been taken on this
-meet in 1814, but he thought the evidence in favour of
''cation which could be produced before the Can-
riess was much stronger now than it could have been
o en- Re recollected that when Sir Thomas Maitland
ttlttill relaxed the quarantine rep;4lations. much greeter Fe-
pc ions had been placed upon our ahipping Itaisen
Q:,,B,in consequence, and he thought the Right Hon.
"°l-nan was right in net being too precipitate. He
aTkeved of the Conduct of the Government, and
..I„eved they had done everything that could be done.
-the motion was then agreed to.
PUBLIC ACCOUNTS.
hali/r• BOWRING postponed the motion of which he
114 given notice, on the subject of the public accounts,
111 next session:
RECIPROCITY TREATY WITH RUSSIA.
le WAWN moved for a statement of the equiva-
ritie advantages, if any, which have been grantedO to
Operation
n navigation by the Russian Government, in con-
ration of the exemptions con ceded by her Majesty's
°vernment to Russian ships, by the second separate
ye of, the treaty of St. Peteraburgh, of the 11th day
anuarY, 1843, which reserves to Russian vessels
three exemption from navigation dues during the first
anti e, Years, which is enjoyed by vessels built in Russia,
cone oelonging to Rueslan subjects." The advantages
11," "led by that article of the treaty to Russia, gave
shin:Lan shipowners great advantage over English
4
o".wpers—an advantage equivalent at least to five per
eld'er A British ship entering a Russian port was placed
all many disadvantages. The ship's provisions were
IlsePhiseed under seal, and the captain was not allowed to
rities. Own provisions without a license from the autho-
eon,. , If he applied to his Consul for a remedy, the
*hermit told him that he could afford him no relief ;
in "s. if a Russian captain complained to his Consul
Wag a Briti h
arr__,se.. port of any grievance, immediate redress
Were ''."rn d him. He wished to ask what ativantoges
given by the treaty to British ships which Russian. Ps did not enjoy, which could be considered as
ships ivalent to the advantages thus given to Russian
could Mr. GLADSTONE thought the Ron. Gentleman
11.°t be much in the habit of examining treaties of
navt between different countries, and their modes of
rirTetion, or he would not have been surprised at this
rain, esee ; and he would advise the lion. Gentle,
ot to provoke others to too cloed and prying an in--
1)7,170km of these treat;es He would not enaiss,te/44 a our navigation laws, but would at once
estse,"etur,tl
inliont:. gentleman's question. It had been the
taereantloaking treaties with other countries
;marine g) which was not in so'

advanced a state as our own, to admit of cer-
tain relaxations, which we did not claim for ourselves
f, r instance in the treaties with many of the South Ame-
rican States, while no vessels could claim from them the
reciprocity granted to vessels under the British unless
they were owned and navigated in conformity with the
navigation laws, the benefits of the reciprocity were al-
lowed to vessels belonging to those States, in British
ports, although it might not be owned and navigated ac-
cording to the navigation laws. This showed that it was
no new practice. Now, with regard to the question, he
would at once state that an advantage was conceded to
British vessels which Russian vessels did not possess,
and which was an equivalent for those advantages
to which the Hon. Gentleman alluded. Russia
granted to us, that British vessels comint, from third
countries, and entering Russian ports, should be treated
if they came from British ports. Now that, he consi •
dered, was more than a counteracting advantage to the
exemption from dues for the first three years. If that
exemption had been granted to Denmark, Sweden, Hol-
land, or any country nearly on a level with ourselves in
point of maritime power, the advantage would have been
a great one, but it was not in this inatance more than a
counterpoise for the advantages granted to us, With re-
gard to the grievances of British shipowners in Russian
ports—if those grievances were represented to the Go-
vernment—and it should turn out that they were deviators
from the treaty, the British Government would make
representations to the Russian Government on the sub-
ject. No such complaints,. however, had been made.
There was a case relating to the Customs dues on her-
rings, in which it was alleged that greater advantages
were given to Norway and Denmark than were given to
England, which was at present the subject of negotia-
tion between the two Governments. He was not aware,
with respect to the navigation treaty, that the Russian
Government had given any cause of complaint, and he
could not accede to the motion.

Mr. HUTT thought that the admitting British vessels
from third ports on the same footing as those from Bri-
tish ports might be considered as an equivalent. With
regard to the other subject, he could assure the Right
Hon. Gentleman that the grievance existed, and he had
no doubt but that he would have his attention called to it
next session. •

Mr. HUME was of opinion that by the treaty we had
the means of obtaining redress of the grievances com-
plained of. He was glad to hear of the Right Hon. Gen-
tleman speak of herrings, and he hoped our exporters
would be relieved from the burden of these dues without
delay.
Mr. GLADSTONE had no cause to complain of delay
on the part of the Russian Government. It was only
six weeks ago that he himself had received the com-
plaints of the herring exporters. . .

Mr. WAWN then—witlidrew his motion.
CASE OF MR. O'DRISCOLL.

Mr. ROSS moved that "an humble address be pre-
sented to her Majesty, praying for the removal of Mr.
Alexander O'Driscoll from the Commission of the
peace." It was very distasteful to his feelings to appear
before that House as a public accuser, to impugn a man
for whom he entertained in general the greatest respect.
It was an unenviable task to be called upon to accuse a
gentleman far advanced in years, infirm in health, and
subject to a malady which, beyond all others, was cal-
culated to cloud the intellect and injure the temper.
These defects were considered sufficient cause for his
dismissal, and they still remained.—(Hear, hear.) Of
Mr. O'Driscoll he (Mr. Ross) knew nothing until his
connection with these circumstances, and he hoped the
House would do him the justice to believe that no con-
sideration of a party nature would induce him to prefer
a charge against an innocent man, or one whose guilt
was even a matter of doubt. The Noble Lord opposite
(Lord Eliot) had, on a previous occasion, rebuked him
(Mr. Ross) because he ventured to say the conduct of Mr.
O'Driscoll towards his fellow-magistrates was insolent,
and his treatment of the Sullivans tyrannical ; but he
sat down without convincing the House that the conduct
of Mr. O'Driscoll towards the Sullivans, Dempsey, and
Dineen was in the highest degree tyrannical. A man
named Dineen, in the first instance, complained to the
Lord Chancellor under these circumstances :—A person
named Sullivan, a tenant of Mr. O'Driscoll's, had fallen
into a small arrear of rent, half-a-year's, for which he had
passed his bill to Mr. O'Driscoll. Another half-year had
not quite fallen duewben Hurley, Mr. O'Driscoll's driver,
entered poor Sullivan's farm, and distrained everything
upon it—the cow, the ass, and even the potatoes ; yes,
even the very potatoes upon which the wretched family
depended, and which, according to the testimony of
Hurley, they were afterwards obliged to steal. But,
what was the fact at the very time O'Driscoll's
driver had made this seizure on poor Sullivan ?—he had
actually the money for the bill in his pocket. Sullivan's
bill was cashed for O'Driscoll, at the bank, the other
half-year's rent was not due, and yet this cruel distraint.
was made. Sullivan was thrown on the world a house-
less and a desperate man. In the distraint the cows of
poor Dineen, which chanced to have been in Sullivan's
farm, were driven away too. Dineen applied for
them, but was refused. A rescue took place,
which Dineen did all in his power to prevent,
but Mr. O'Driscoll, conceiving that Dineen was instrn-
mental in it, summoned him to his own house. The
Bible was put into his hand ; but he refused to disclose
the names of those who were engaged in the rescue.
He was sent before another magistrate, but persisted in
his refusal. The magistrate, without warrant or com-
mitment, had him incarcerated in the county gaol. Poor
Dineen, after having lain for four days in prison, was
brought before the bench of magistrates, who again
committed him for persevering in his refusal. Soon
after the case of Dineen was laid before the Lord Chan-
cellor another case against Mr. O'Driscoll occurred, and
that was the case of the boy Dempsey. Mr. O'Driscoll
was out hunting, and hearing a shot fired, supposed that
poachers were on his land. He saw two or three little
boys, who, on his riding towards them, ran away. He
pursued one of the boys to the house of a poor woman,
the boy having taken refuge therein. Mr. O'Driscoll
got the boy out, and inflicted a severe castigation upon
him. The case was brought before Mr. O'Driscoll's
brother magistrates, who, having heard the charge,
inflicted a' fine on dr. O'Driscoll of 40s. Upon hearing
the decision of the bench, Mr. O'Driscoll said that he
had been unjustly dealt with, and that, if it had been
any other person, the fine would have been not more
than ss. Upon this confusion arose. in the court, and
the magistrates remonstrated with Mr. O'Driscoll, who
refused to apologise to the court until he was advised to
do so by a friend, and he then reluctantly apologised.
In consequence of this the Lord Chancellor very pro-
perly removed him from the bench. Some months
rolled on, and, upon a memorial being addressed to the
Lord Chancellor, Mr. O,Driscoll was reinstated to the
bench. These were dangerous times in which to tamper
with the administration of justice in Ireland. The
Government, however, seemed desirous of promoting
those who were the most unpopular in Ireland. On a
late occcasion they had advanced a Mr. O'Brien to the
bench, who was most obnoxious in Ireland, in conse-
quence of his virulent attacks upon the person who was
the idol of the people of that country.
Mr. D. BROWN seconded the motion. Was the re-
storation of Mr, O'Driscoll calculated to give peace to
Ireland or satisfaction to any well-thinking individual,
whatever his politics might be? It had been said by the
Government that they intended to govern Ireland on the
princfp)ps of conciliation. Was the restoration of Mr.
O'Driscoll *foliated to produce such conciliation? The
people of Ireland had jnatly come to the conclusion, from
the violence of the acts of Mr, O'Driscoll, that he was
mad, and that he was restored to the bench either as a
criminal or madman.—(Hear, hear.) They had been
told in another place that that House had no right to in-
terfere with the act of the Lord Chancellor of Ireland
as it was a judicial act. Now he would venture to say that
it was no such thing, but that it was a ministerial act,
and one with which that House had a right to deal.
Lord ELIOT was very far from, denying that there
ware cases under which that House would address the
Crown to remove magistrates and justices of the peace ;
but
,he thought when a Member of that House called
upon it to interfere with the prerogative of the Crown,
exercised by its highest officer, the Lord Chancellor of
ireland, he should be able to show that it had been ex-
ercised improperly or corruptly. He believed that those
who knew his Right lion. Friend, the Lord Chancellor
of Ireland, would admit that in no instance he had acted
without mature deliberation, and that it was quite im-
passilg that he could be actuated by unjust. motives.
He did not intend to be the apologist of Mr. O'Driscoll ;
on the contrary he thought that the acts for which he
1,14§ removed from the bench were highly blameable.—
(Hear, bear.) But, having admitted that, the Hon.
Member would permit him a little to soften the colour-
ing of the picture that had been painted to them, and he
would allow him to state the facts, as they appeared to
have been, from these papers. He should not go into
the ease of the Sullivans, because that was not brought
before the Lord chancellor. With respect to the case
of the boy Dempsey, ha 4id not mean to defend the con-
, duct of. Mr. O'Driscoll; he thought he was perfectly un-
justifiahlp in striking and beating the boy ; but he ap-
peared to have been much provoked, and it did
not seem_ to haye beet a very aggravated assault.
The boy himself did not Sall to prefer any complaint,
nor were there any bruises or blood, or any appearance
of ,',;s having _
been severely beaten, -_(lronical pheers.)
Surely., tn feelings of Hon. Gentleman would not
influence them si; far as to make them draw no dis-
tinetion. It appearetl from the evidence that be struck
the boy two or, three blowg nn the body with his whip,
but Mr. O'Driscoll himself declared on his word
of honour as a gentleman, that be only strop); him
once. This charge was heard before the magistratea,
and Mr. O'Driscoll was heed 40s. against which he re-
monstrated in very unbecoming ternis.—(Hear, hear.)
But it should be -remembered that he afterwards apolo-
gised for it, and though it had been stated that he dish so
in an ungracious manner, yet that apology was received
by his brother magistrates, and they ware Among the
persons who signed the memorial to the Lord-Liea
tenant for his restoration. Upon the whole of this case
the Lord Chancellor of irelasid did think it his duty to
remove Mr. O'Driscoll from the bench, but he did not
think the Han, Gentleman had stated altogether fairly
what had occurred, The Lord Chancellor expressly.
6411 that it was upon dui whole of the case taken to-
gether that he displaced him, alleging that, " at pre-
sent," Mr. O'Discroll did not appear to Lao sufficient
command of his temper to retain a seat on the bench.
He stated he was advanced in years, and had recently
gg
been in bad health; be therefore the
,ht it advisable
that he should retire. Things stood thus from liovember
till the month of June, when the memorial praying for
his restoration was presented, the memorialists alleging
that Mr. O'Driscoll was now strong and active, and as
sound in his understanding as they had ever known him.
I Mr. O'Driscoll was a gentleman entirely unconnected
j with any wealthy or powerful family ; pevertheleaa 1e
was a gentleman living on his estate, and who dispensed
hospitality to his neighbours liberally. He had been a
magistrate for thirty years, and his integr4y kid never
been impugned.
M. aolig O'FgR4ALL plionght the Noble Lord
-as 41. ogle &mond fir thas . restoration of
had not show., fArsl skoiulatlefs d ;to
Mr. O'Driscoll. The 'upou tag lanrsl
throw the responsibility-of that swr

Chancellor of Ireland. He (Mr. M. O'Ferrall) would
say that no man had ever held office in Ireland who was
more entitled to respect and confidence than
the Lord Chancellor of Ireland. But it must
be recollected that the Lord Chancellor went to Ireland
with English notions. He looked upon the magistracy of
that country in the same light as the magistracy in this.
Every Irishman, however, knew that from the in Igis-
tracy of Ireland had arisen many of those crimes which
Parliament was called on every year to repress. He
(Mr. O'F.) would venture to say that there was no Hon.
Gentleman sitting on the other side of the House, look-
ing to the bearing of this case on the ad ninistration of
justice in Ireland, who would say that the Noble Lord
had shown good grounds for the restoration of Mr.
O'Driscoll. He (Mr. O'Ferrall) had often been asked
what was the cause of the existing state of Ireland. His
answer to this inquiry would be, take the case of Mr.
O'Driscoll as a portion of that cause. It was
this sort of thing that cause combinations and
the use of unlawful "oaths. The peasantry bound them-
selves together as the only means of resisting tyranny.
Such cases as that of Dineen and Sullivan, were common
all over Ireland, and hence arose illegal combinations.
A Government that wished to do away with illegal com-
binations would do away with its causes. They would
enforce the laws vigorously and properly equally in the
case of the, rich and the poor.—(Hear, hear.) Had the
Noble Lord shown any mitigating circumstances in the
case of Mr. O'Driscoll he would not have pressed hard
upon an individual arrived at such an advanced stage of
life ; but he had not done so. What did his friends
the Conservatives say of him P Why, that though a
Roman Catholic, he was a loyal man.—(" Hear, hear,"
from the Opposition.) Why a person who would seek
such support as that would be the basest of men. The.
words were, " Though a Roman Catholic, never con--
Coaling nor affecting to conceal his sentiments, he was
nevertheless looked upon by those of his own creed and
others as a man of unswerving rectitude." They had
no reason to regret their reliance on his rectitude, since
it had always been shown by enforcing the laws most
severely against Roman Catholics.—(Hear, hear.)
Sir J. GRAHAM said he was anxious to address a
few words to the House on this subject. In the first
place, he begged to remark that they were not then trying
the question whether Mr. O'Driscoll was a good or a
bad landlord ; neither were they then trying the ques-
tion what were his religion and politics. The question
then under discussion lay in a very narrow compass.
He agreed that the conduct which led to Mr.:o'Driscoll's
removal from the commission of the peace was, in the
main, indefensible. He thought that both with reference to
the committal of a person without a warrant, in whose case
he had a personal interest, and still more in speaking in
discourteous terms of the sentence of the bench, the
Lord Chancellor had acted wisely in dismissing him
from the commission.—(Hear, hear.) But now he
begged the House to consider that the removal of a ma-
gistrate from the bench in Ireland might be of a two-
foldcharacter—it might either be judicial, with reference
to his conduct as a magistrate, or it might be ministerial.
After having had the advantages of personal intercourse
with the Lord Chancellor, he was able to state that his
decision was entirely judicial. He entirely sympathised
in the compliments which had been paid to his Right
lion. Friend Sir Edward Sugden. He thought he might
apply to him the lines of one of our poets in reference to
a judge of his own day :
" In Israel's courts ne'er sat an Abethdin,
With more discerning eyes or hands more clean;
Unbribed, unsought, the wretched to redress,
Swift to dispatch, and easy of access."
This he held to be a just and correct description of the
character of Sir Edward Sugden. He was sure a more
just or able judge never presided. Now, he said again,
that in this matter Sir Edward Sugden acted judicially,
and he assured him (Sir J. Graham) his duty was never
performed with more doubt, pain, or hesitation, than
in the removal of Mr. O'Driscoll. He said that if he
had considered any one of the acts which were indefen-
sible singly he should not have thought his removal
justified; but that taking all the cases collectively, he
thought his removal 'necessary. This gentleman bore
an unsullied private character, although he had been
visited with displeasure on account of some violent,
intemperat' acts, and disgrace having been once in•
flicted, he did not see why it should be co-extensive with
life. He thought that, considering all the circumstances
of the case, the House ought to hesitate before it passed
its sentence upon the Lord Chancellor of Ireland. He
considered it of the highest importance to conciliate the
affections of the people of Ireland towards the adminis-
tration of justice in that country ; and he was also of
opinion that this question was not unworthy the atten-
tion of the House.—(Hear, hear.) It was right that the
Government should be put upon its defence for restoring
a magistrate under such circumstances.—(Hear, hear.)
He felt satisfied in his conscience that the Lord Chan-
cellor had not acted improperly, and he should oppose
this motion, believing, as he did, that it was intended as
a vote of censure upon the Lord Chancellor's conduct.—
(Hear, hear.) He could not as a member of the Go-
vernment shrink from the responsibility of this act of
the Lord Chancellor, for, after having given the matter
the fullest investigation and consideration, he was pre-
pared to adopt that act.—(Cheers.) On the whole, he
thought that the removal of Mr. Driscoll from the com-
mission of the peace in the first instance was right, and
after he had suffered his punishment, and, after the
representations which had been made in his favour, he
was equally of opinion that the Lord Chancellor was
justified in restoring him.—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. SHEIL said that the Right Hon. Gentleman, the
Secretary of State for the Home Department, had ex
pressed his most high and extreme solicitude for the
impartial administration of justice in Ireland. He
would not dispute the sincerity of the Right Hon.
Gentleman's professions ; but he regretted that the
Right Hon. Gentleman had not adopted a more effica-
cious mode of giving expression to his solicitude.—
(Hear, hear.) Neither had the Right Hon. Gentleman
been peculiarly felicitous in his reference to Dryden's
description of an eminent judge. No doubt Ashley
Cooper had been a most incorruptible judge, but he was
also a most incomprehensible politician, and the man of
all others the worst who could have been permitted to
interfere with the appointment of magistrates, had such
been a portion of the duties of Lord Chancellors in his
time.—(Hear, hear.) But it appeared that, in dismissing
Mr. O'Driscoll, the Lord Chancellor had not acted in his
political capacity—he had acted in his judicial capacity.
In what capacity had he acted when he dismised the
repeal magistrates ?—(Cheers.) Was it in his political or
in his judicial capacity that the Lord Chancellor had
removed his Hon. Friend the Member for Mayo, his
Hon. Friend the Member for Kerry, and Mr. Roche,
the Member for Cork ?—(Loud cheers.) Why had they
been dismissed ? Not for attending monster meetings—
oh, no I—(Loud cheers)—but for attending dinners to
protest against the packing of a Protestant jury.—(Loud
cheers.) Oh I but, said the Right Hon. Gentleman, he
was not acting in his political capacity in dismissing Mr.
O'Driscoll ; that case had nothing to do with politics.
Why, in its results it was entirely political. What did
they say to the political part of the question when Mr.
O'Driscoll set forth in his memorial that, although he
was a Catholic, he was a Conservative ?—when he gave
a prominence to the fact of his being a Conservative, and
stated that he had refused to stand for the county, although
the Bishop had offered it him, as if the Bishop held the
keys of the county as well as the keys of St. Peter?—
(Cheers and laughter.) He had refused--(Renewed
cheering)—" even though a Catholic."—(Cheers.)
It was said that in this case the Lord Chancellor had
acted in his judicial, and not in his ministerial, by which
was meant his political, capacity. Now it had been often
said that the political and the judicial capacities of the
Lord Chancellor of Ireland were so indistinct that it was
to be wished that they were separated ; and certainly no
set of functions could be more dissimilar. The Lord
Chancellor was in general a great lawyer, but the sphere
of his vision was confined to the horizon of a con-
areyancer's office, and when he launched upon the Irish
sea of political agitation he steered his course' by
the scintilla juris, the light of lawyers.•;--(Cheers.)
And accordingly they found that the Lord Chancellor,
although an admirable judge, and in that capacity de-
serving of the highest praise, exhibiting on the bench a
great knowledge of the law and a
.passion for justice, ye t
they no sooner find him appearing in his political capacity
than he, who as a judge was temperate, judicious, and for-
tunate, became as a politician precipitate, inconsistent,
and ominous.---(Loud cheers.) He was surprised that the
conduct of Mr. O'Driscoll should be palliated by that
Government by which the Landlord and Tenant Com-
mission had been issued. Oh 1 but it was said the
conduct of O'Driscoll as a landlord was nothing to the
purpose. Why, if they were not bound to remove him
from the commission of the peace, as a bad landlord,
when the Chancellor came to take a retrospect, and to
consider the propriety of restoring bim, ought he not to
have asked himself—shall I entrust this man with the
administration of justice between landlord and tenant ?
—(Cheers.) Now, what was the case of °Driscoll as
a landlord ? The Secretary of State for the Home De-
partment admitted that his conduct was indefensible, and
yet when he said that his conduct was indefensible,
he could urge nothing in extenuation of it, though he
entirely approved of the conduct of the Lord Chancellor
of Ireland, and adopted his acts.—(Loud cheers.) He
adopted a measure which he said he could not defend.—
(Loud cheers.) But what was the conduct of ,O'Dris-
coil as a landlord ? He seized Sullivan's potatoes. By
the law of the land a smith cannot be deprived
of his anvil, nor a labourer of his plough—he
could not be deprived of his means of living ;. yet
by the law of Ireland the landlord might dry
up the esculent on which the man's family de-
pended for existence. That might be just An
law, but was it net a circumstance to be eonsidered in
restoring him to the magistracy V What did he do with
regard to O'Sullivan? He took the man into his own
parlour, put the Bible into his hand—and what hap-
pened? ph, said the Noble Lord, it was not Mr.
°Driscoll, it was Vfr. Galway who committed him.
Miserable subterfuge I—(Loud Aeers.) It was not dc.
pied that Olt:tripoli accompanied the man to Galway's
house, and personally committed him to Bridewell, and
that without a warrant.—(Cheers.)
Lnrd ELIOT—No, no.
SHED.-Are I not right ?—(Cries of " Yes,
yes.") I knew Tivqs I I 4p, net woner that the Noble
Lord wishes to interrupt me l The. Hon. (iengeman
continued—lt was not denied that O'Driscoll, having the
monpy for the rent in his pocket, had distrained for that
rent and deprived ,ullivan's children of their meal.—
(Loud cheers.) Pending these trans4ctions the affair
of the boy took place. The Noble Lord said thß,t the
bpi was disturbing the sport and had fired at a hare.
Lord Eraorr,-No,
Mr. SHEll;—Tiiat was no inaptpc(Tronicel cheers)
—and he would tell them why it was no i4pttiq.
cause it appeared from the memorial that both men and
hoyf were nresent, and that a shot was fired. O'Dris•
coil did not follow a Fpo whd mtempt to strike him ; if
he had done so, le trusted the' man would have strucit
him to the earth `(Loud 114 follbived
joy. TOe 40 -ran into his mother's house and biept
under a bed ; o:Driseell oruereu to'he brought but'
The woman dreaded 6 disobeY. qbriscoll 'went in' to
4tig him out, and how did he do ft 7 Tile put' the coil

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of his whip round the boy's neck, dragged him to thel
threshold of the door, and then this scene took place
The woman entreated for mercy ; the boy fell on•
his knees and asked for pardon, while O'Driscolli
raised his unruanly hand and applied the lash. The!
witness Rogers confirmed the statement of the boy
Then took place the gladiatorial scene before the magis-i
trates. Next came the case of Dineen—the commit-
ment of Dineen by O'Driscoll. Then the savage assault
on the boy; and then that O'Trigger scene took plactl
at Skibbereen. Those, were the facts which had beet 4
submitted to the Lord Chancellor, and the Lord Chan-
cellor decided on dismissing him—for what?—for ill-
health. And now he had shown them the miserable
inconsistency between the statement made in the memo .
rial, and which had been so much relied upon, but whicl}
was now altogether abandoned. When the Lord Chan
cellor said he removed him on account of ill-health
" Good God," said Mr. O'Driscoll, " I never was s
well in all my life."—(Hear, hear, laughter, an
great cheering)—and he exclaimed—" What a triumph
will my dismissal be to those who hare been long con-
spiring against me. lam old (the Right Hon. Gentle%
man read from the memorial), but I am strong in body
and in intellect. I am in good health—(Hear,
hear)—thanks" to God for it." The apothecary
of Skibbereen had nothing whatever to do with him.
(Laughter and cheers.) The Lore Chancellor insisted
on his being ill; Mr. O'Driscoll insisted that he was
well—the Lord Chancellor ultimately discovered that he
was restored to health—(Laughter, and. cries.of " Hear,
hear")—restored to health, which O'Driscoll said he never
lost.—(Renewed laughter, and cries of "Hear, hear.l)
What was the case made out for O'Driscoll by himself
He said be only flogged a poaching urchin.—(Laughtel.,
and cries of "Hear, hear," with a mark of dissent from
Lord Eliot.) Am I right—are not these his words 2
(Hear, hear:) O'Driscoll went on to say that he meta
parcel of fellows looking for game, and gave one of them ;a
cut of the thong of his whip. He submitted to the bench
that for so alight a breach of the law he ought to be
but slightly punished ; but his Lordship, the Chairman,
after a high-flown display of eloquence, whom, by
the bye, he challenged, sent him a three-cor-
nered note---(Great laughter)—fined him a pound,
and a pound costs. English gentlemen were fond
of sport, but he hoped no English gentleman would
carry it to such an extent, or would act with the sane
ferocity with which, alas Ur. O'Driscoll had acted.
By whom was the memorial signed ? By the Catholic
bishop and the priest. By the friends and as-
sociates, of those whom Mr. O'Driscoll had so grossly
maltreated ? No ; oh, no ! This "deed without a
name"— (Loud cries of Hear, hear")—it had no such
signatures. Two Whig Lords—Lord Kingston and Lord
Riversdale, who lived at a distance of thirty miles from
Skibbereen.

Mr. M. J. O'CONNELL—Fifty miles ?
SHEIL—Yes, fifty miles ; who had, in all pro-
bability, never seen Mr. O'Driscoll in their lives, and
who, perhaps knew nothing whatever about him, and
who were ignorant of the feelings of the people whom
O'Driscoll had outraged these were the persons
who signed the memorial. —" Tell me, you (continued
the Right Hon. Gentleman) who are so solicitous for
the pure, unsullied administration of justice in Ireland,
what must be the feelings of the people of Shibbereetf
when they see this distrainer for potatoes, this E op-
pressor of the poor, this flagellator of boys,
placed again on the bench? (Laughter.) . Ah !
Hon. Gentlemen might laugh, but it was no laughing
matter at Skibbereen. What must be their feelings when
they saw this gentleman, who had outraged the dignity
of the bench, and from which he was precipitated, again
restored to that bench ? And for. what ? Ah 1 all
their efforts for the tranquillisation of Ireland were
nullified. Those fine professions in reference to the
administration-of justice were belied by their own deeds.
—(Loud cries of " Hear, hear.") If they saw a man in
authority in Ireland committing an act against principle,
they threw over him the shield of official protection.
Mr. ROSS shortly replied, and
Strangers were ordered to withdraw, and the House
divided. The numbers were—
For the motion
Against
Majority against the motion _33
REV EN IJE INQUIRY.

Mr. DUNCOMBE made his notion for the printing
of the additional evidence taken before the Commis-
sioners of Revenue Inquiry.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER sug-
gested that the Hon. Member should alter his motion so
as to require only 658 copies to be printed for the use of
Members only.
Mr. BUNCOMBE said that would make his motion
a very absurd one; but in obedience to'the Chancellor of
the Exchequer he would move it, as he was sure the
public would read it Just the same as if they printed
sixty thousand.--Agreed to.
NAVAL MEDICAL_ DEPARTMENT.

. _
Colonel FOX then moved for copies of all correspon-
dence between the head of the naval medical department,
Sir William Burnett, and the head of the medical de-
partment of the army, Sir James M'Gregor, and the
Secretary of State for the Home Depa-tment, on the
subject of the charter lately granted to t e Royal Col-
lege of Surgeons, and the manner it affects the affairs of
their respective services.
The motion, amended at the suggestion of Sir James
Graham, was then agreed to.
The other orders of the day baying been disposed of,
the House adjourned at One o'clock.

SPORTING INTELLIGENCE.
HATCHAM PARK RACES-YESTERDAY.

Sweepstakes of 5 sous. each, with 25 added ; three yrs
old, 7st 71b ; four years, Bst 81b ; five years, 9st ; six
years and aged 9st 21b ; mares and geldings allowed 31b;
Winners once in 1844, 31b ; twice, 51b ; and thrice,
71b extra. The winner to be sold fore 1201. Heats,
once round. (3 Subs.)
Mr. Balchin's Crocus, 4 yrs walked over.
The Old Kent-road Stakes of 3 sous. each, and 26
added ; three yrs old, 7st 81b ; four yrs,. Bst 91b ; five
yrs, 9st 21b ; six yrs and aged, 9st 61b. Horses that
have started once in 1844 and not won allowed' 31b ;
twice, 51b ; and thrice, 71b. Heats, once round and
a dis. Winner to be sold for 100_sovs. (3 Subs.)
Mr. Heppel's Lady Flora, 6 yrs. ...(Pattison) 2 1 1
Mr. Pearce's Nora Creina, 4 yrs... 1 2 2
Mr. Bishop's Dane John, aged
The first heat was well contested, the second won by
three parts of a length, and the third easily.
Match against. time, 200 to 100, twenty miles in one

hour, over twenty hurdles.
Mr. H. England's Charming Polly (Paget) accom-
plished the distance, with ease, in 55 minutes 49 seconds,
including four stoppages. The betting was heavy on
time.

The company was, if possible, moll numerous than
yesterday.

INTELLIGENCE EXTRA.
GOODWOOD, 1844.
DAY.
Nominations for theFIRST Goodwood Club Stakes.
Fisticuff, 4; yrs,—Fox, 4 yrs—Coal: Black Rose, 3
yrs—Quebec, 4: yrs—Naworth, aged—Lothario, 4 yrs
—Aristides, 4 yrs—The Currier, aged—Cattonite, 5 yrs
—Preissnitz, aged—Emma, 3 yrs—Queen Mab, 5 yrs—
Seaweed, 3 yrs—Miss Miggs, 4 yrs—Pastoral, 3 yrs—
Porto Bello, 4 yrs_Elemi, 3 yrs.
The Welter Stakes of 20 sore. each. Gentlemen

riders, &c.
Auld Lang Syne, 4 yrs—Pastoral,
4 yrs—Ben-y-Ghlo, 4 yrs. 3 yrs—Cattonite,
The match between Olive Oil and Lord Glasgow's
Canada filly will be run on this day.

THIRD DAY.The Anglesey Stakes of 15 sous. each, &c.
Seaweed, 5 yrs—Coal Black Rose, 3 yrs—Naworth,
aged—Nat, 4 yrs--Quebec, 4 yrs—Aristides, 4 yrs—
Queen Mab, 5 yrs—The Currier, aged—Mechanic, 4 yrs
—Preissnitz, aged—Cattonite, 5 yrs—Lothario, 4 yrs.

LAST DAY.
Handicap for the Chesterfield Stakes.
Knight-of-the-Whistle, 6 yrs, 9st—Garry Owen, aged,
Bst 81b—Lothario, 4 yrs, 6st—British Yeoman, 4 yrs,
Bst 61b—The Altered One, 5 yrs, Bst 51b—Pompey, 4
yrs, Bst 21b—P04013. 7at 131b---Scalteen, 5 yrs
7st 131b—Our Nell, 5 yrs, 7st 121b—Arundo, 4 yrs, 7st
111b—Nat, 4 yrs, 7st 101b—Khorassan, 4 yrs, 7st 10lb
Canton, 4 yrs, 7st 91b--Mama, 4 yrs, 7st—Franchise,
5 yrs, 7st 71b—Elegance filly, 4 yrs, 7st 61b—What, 4
yrs, 7st 61b--Little Vivian, aged, 7st 41b—Fisticuff, 4
yrs, 7st 41b—Poussin, 4 yrs, 7st 41b—Princess, 3 yrs,
7st 41b—Aristides, 4 yrs, 7st 41b—Ionian, 3 yrs, 7st 2lb
—Poor Soldier, 4 yrs, 7st 21b—Zeila, 4 yrs, Est 131 b
Barricade, 3yrs, 6st 81b—Mickey Free, 3 yrs, Est 61b—
Rowland, 4 yrs, Est 61b—Dog Billy, 3 yrs, Est 41b—Pride
of Kildare, 3 yrs, Est 41b—Deerslayer, 4 yrs, 6st 41b—
Quebec, 4 yrs, 6st 21b—Marquis, 4 yrs, 6st—Rowena,
3 yrs, 6st—Croton Oil, 3 yrs, 6st—,Skeleton, 3 yrs, sst
Elemi, 3 yrs, sst 91b—Example, 3 yrs, sst 71b—Claude
Frollo :i‘ 3 yrs, sst 71b—Fitz-James, 3 yrs, sst 71b—
Seaweed, 3 yrs, sst 71b—Moustache, 3 yrs, sst.
NEWMARKET SECOND OCTOBER MEETING,
1.

FRIDAY.—Mr. Phillimore's Physalis, Bst 71b, agst
Duke of Bedford's Glen Fishie, Bst ; T.Y.C. ; 150, h ft.
HOUGHTON MEETING, 1844.
MONDAY.—Colonel Peel's Garry Owen, Bst 11b, agst
Lord Edward Russell's Nat, 7st 51b ; T.Y.C. ; 100, h ft.
WEDNESDAY.—Duke of Bedford's Glen Fishie, Bst
71b, agst Lord Eglintoun's Britannia, Est 41b.
200, h ft.
At the annual meeting of the Jockey Club Notice was
given that at the next meeting of the Jockey. Cluba re-
solution would be moved to the effect, " That no person
who is a defaulter for bets shall be allowed to run a
horse at Newmarket, either in his own name, or in the
name of any other Person."
THE BENTINCK TEEITIBIONIAL..••••• The subscriptions
amount to nearly 1,500/.

TumiDgip.sToitma AT Oxycain.—This city and
two violent thunder-storms. Ctn Thursday, in the Tnlddie a
iii::::::hoodbywheeraevy visitedp fmis o
ofn Thursdaythunder,
the day, it oommenoed with very 'vivid flashes of' light-
r itaooannrd do
ftt
hh Fridayteeh
eeltsecwot
stone,
fluid struck the vane on the top of one of the pinnacles on
the beautiful tower of Magdalen College, passed down
eelnwindows. Some of
pt the e
diron o w
nrod
an
4supp:ppaoldiryetinontugetreacitth:ennteoovtfahtnhe
wdnlliviPnillt theCibsgtattirVase, chipping pieces off the stone steps as it
I )s
but rt fortunatelyu
la oc
of ii
toni I
le colfl the
h e
the stones of the pinnacle falling on thoejrnoullmci,
ced
servantsalit bupQ.:legor
if
oottushe
yCkholtlilpergtiehQ, knn/ftc;ilcrdetin4oyhtilimo
sod
°P! and %IT have net egd of
its doing; any serious demage in the neighbourhood; but a
oung man, a labourer, passing under a wall on the Cheri-
vl-road was struck by the lightning, and killed 41sta,tita..
eouslemi the lipOt'. din the far . oevt a t 1
.—r. ..,.ontp,3l,
that
Woot-
that were lying under some trees were also killed on the
t'sapno ; , neart
h e electric
he;e:lsYlul
summer
assizes, ins 1)44 malice on ott4lo Ode.; 1314 Opiacfng none ot the
aWtateet,:i.initla2rilittthe-' wd6asintinclitnut4Tnitehr-storm, when the same
pinnacle' of Magdalen Tewei was shattered,' We should
trust that this secon4 warning will induo the autlionvo4 of
ttie'conige to place a lightninCcpnduttot'ilon WaseYlt
tiemitiful Witter. , ' - s:;:t• '. • ,A. • .1 ~ .. • I ... ,