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CORPORATE FUNDS BILL.

On the Motion of Mr. 0. CAVE, the House re-
solved itself into a Committee upon the Coworate
Funds' Bill.

The v'everal clauses were agreed to, after which
the report was brought up, and ordered to be receiv-
ed on Monday next.

EAST RETFORD DISFRANCHISEMENT BILL.
Mr. N. C-ALVERT moved the further, considera-
tion of the Report on ibis Bill.
Mr: BARING ,thought• the Hon. Member was
bringing on' this important question rather early
five o'cloek),. and froth the state of the Mouse, it
would appear they ►•ere not prepared for it so early.
-The (Mei of the Day having been read,

Mr. N. CALVERT moved the recommitment of
,he 13i11.

Leid HOWICK said, the Right Hon. Secretary

(Mr. Peel) distinctly laid down.the prinCiple upon
which he should' deal with this subject, when he
said he would act in the way which would be con-
sidered " not the most just, but the most fit and
expedient ;"and again, when he said that he would
take a middle course, and instead of throwing the
two boroughs into one scale, be would put .one in
each. Now, as Penryn remained where it was, he
thought the Hon. Gentleman wus bound upon his
own principle to throw East Retford into the scale
of the manufacturing interest. He, therefore, con-
ceived that the Right Hon. Gentleman might with
propriety acquiesce in his plan, which was to traris-
fel.' the selective fratiehiSe of Eait Retford to York•
shire. By that means there would be six Members
for that - county, and the division of the Members
as regarded the manufacturing and agricultural inte-
rests would be fairly balanced. At one electiOn for
that county, it had been stated 100,000/. had been
spent by the candidates, although there was no con-
test. This was an evil of great. magnitude, and any
arrangement which tended to dim►nish it ought to
have the support of the House.
The SPEAKER said, that the motion of the
Noble Lord could not be put until the question then
before the House, upon the decision of Which de-
pended the recommittal of the Bill, was determined.

Mr. TENNYSON then rose, and complained that
in his absence, before he.had time to get down to
the House, his Hon. Friend (Mr. N. Calvert) had
hurried on this Bill. His Hon. Friend need not
have taken the Bill out of his bauds ; and his doing
so he thought was contrary to an arrangement by
which he considered his Hon. Friend ought to have
held himself 'bound. ' He begged to make a few ob-
servations before he 'made his motion. Penryn was
now disposed of, and he thought himself entitled to
call upon the Right Hon. Secretary opposite (Mr.
Peel) to, redeem a pledge which the line of argument
he had taken, and the distinct understanding of all
whO heard him, fixed upon him. The. argument
-used-by the Right llou. Gentleman about the ma-
nufacturing and . commercial interests was that to
which. he salluded;and from which he deduced the
pledge of Ow Bight- Hon.. Gentleritamupon the tie-
currenee of a 'eertain' event,'Which had now occurred,
:that heplr. Tennyson) -should have his vote. Prom
rlhe Ado of the Right Hon. Gentle Man,
• who then was, but now nnfortnnately was no longer
a Member of -the Government, he had, and the whole
House had, inferredthe pledge of which he spoke,
to give the franchise Of. East Raiford to a manufac-
turing town—and it was frora.,that, and from ether
causes, which he would not name, understood that
such was the intention of the Cabinet. That matter
he would leave the Right- Hon. Gent. to settle with
himself. He imputed to him no pledge in words, but
distinctly in the meaning of his language. He, how-
eVer, consented upon this occasion to abandon that
pledge, and make, no use 'of it at all in his argument.
But there was another pledge, from which he did
not mean to release the Right Hon. Gentleman.
He alluded to the declaration of the Right lion.
Gentleman, that it was the intention of his Ma-
jesty's Government, in the event of the Penryn
Disfranchisement Bill being thrown out in the Lords,
to make the East' Retford Bill an open question.—
NoW he (Mr. Tennyson) called upon the Right
non. Secretary, in virtue of his pledge, to 'rise up
in his place, and declare this an open question.—
(Hear.) The last vote come to upon this Bill was
a party vote. It was well known that it was pro-
pagated by the Government.thatthat question must
not be decided upon its own merits, but that it must
.ibe regarded as a question involving the fate of the
Administration, and settling the question of a Tory
Administration for ever. lie believed, that if Mi-
nisters had been beaten upon that occasion, there
Would have been a dissolution of Parliament. Many
gentlemen had told him personally, that they were
with him upon the merits of the Bill, but in that
peculiar crisis they considered it a duty of paramount
importande to support the Government as then
formed; and, therefore, - they must disregaiii the
question of. merits. The • tocsin, in short;* was
sounded—the Right Hon. Gentleman got his ma-
jority, and` as he was, no doubt, fully satisfied with
;his triumph, he hoped he would now redeem. his
pledge. It. appeared to him certain that the Bill
Could not 'be-settled this: Session. There were so
many propositions to be discussed upon this sul;ject,
and suet' ain of .evidehce to go through, that he
thought, the best course, he could take Was, to move
as an amendment, that the Bill be re-committed that
dsy three months. .
Mr. STRWART-,seconded the amendment.

Mr. Secretary PEEL said that in the discussion
of the Penryn case he had acted bona fide, and
without ever contemplating what had since occurred
—that the Bill would be thrown out in the other
House. As _ to the , general insinuations that there
was a desire to support the Aristocracy, by giving
the franchise to the hundred of Bassetlaw, he could
only meet them by as general a denial.--(Hear,
hear.)—and for his own part he Wa.9 not aware of
any such thing being the fart. There was no pledge
of any kind given, and before the dissolution of the
Government there was no reason, whatever why Mi-
nisters, on the East Retford.Bill, should pursue the
course adopted either with respect to Grampound
or Penryn, or why. 4t should boimade a Government
question. The matter was one which involved sub-
jects of a judicial as well as a legiSlativenature;and
he had stated, as was mentioned on another occa-
sion, by his Hon. Friend (we believe Mr. Huskis-
son) that Ministers reserved to themselves the
power of voting as they wished. So far as the Hon,
Member (Mr. Tennyson) had any right to infer
that he (Mr. Peel) would follow any particular
coarse from. the declaration he had made, he would
say, that if .the-Honourable Gentleman had given
the franchise of East Retford to _a great town,
and that the Noble Lord (John Russell) had
transferred that. of Penryn to a county, and thafthe
0Noble; Lord's- Bill -failed in the other Nouse, the
franchise still remaining' to renryn, he would then

have supported the proposition of the Hon. Member.
The case was, however different, because his Hon.
Friend (Mr. N. Calvert) had subinitted his proposi-
tion while both the cases were pending,•which he
(Mr. Peel) did then, and would now support. He
could not, however, agree with the Hinr..Memlter,
as to leaving East Retford as it,waS, because a case
of great delinquency had been proved. The .ques-
tion at present was, that the Hon. Member' wished
13irmingbam to have the franchise. .The Noble Lord
proposed the transfer to one of the Ridings of York-
shire, and his Hon. Friend (Mr. N. Calvert) desired
that it should be given to the two adjacent hundreds,
that the county might not be deprived of two Re-
presentatives. He confessed that .his two grounds
for transferring the franchise of one borough to the

hundred of bassatlaw, and that of another to

Manchester, being the desire that one should go
to the agricultural and another to the manufacturing
interest, would be as fully gsined by giving one
to a Riding in Yorkshire as it could in the other way.
"With respect to the county of Nottingham, he had
been, from the first moment, unwilling to disturb
the proportioa, and he would certainly sooner have
transferred the franchise of Peurya to a great town,
sooner than East Retfordi on account of Cornwall
having forty-four members. -That doctrine had been
found fault with, end it had been said. that there
should.be no apportionment of this kind, but he never
heard a debate in which that arguraent had not
been-made use of when a transfer was contemplated.
The Noble Lord himself had, in the Grampound
and Penryn oases, compared Cornwall with Lanca-
shire. He knew very well that in point of principle
it mattered not whether a county returned 44, or 8,
or 4 Members, yet there would always be less dim-',
culty to naalce a transfer from a county of the former
to one of the latter description. Seeing then that
the county of Nottingham had only eight Members,
which would by the Hon: Member's Bill be reduced
to six—that in the hundred of Bassetlaw there Were
2000 freeholders, and a‘ population of 35,000—that
the constituency was respectable, and comprised the
inhabitants of two or, three market towns, which
were not represented—and believing that they were
not subject to the particular influence of the
Aristocracy—he did not see why the House should
depart from the rule of opening the franchise'
to the Hundred, which they had invariably pars
sued in every case except that of Granapound.—
Lord Chatham had said, " that he was glad to see
Bramber taken away from India, and restored to its
situation in the county of Sussex." His idea was,
that Shoreham
,was entirely under East India inte-
rest. -Mr. Fox, also,in almost every case, protested!
against the transfer of a franchise, and so far from
even wishing to remove one to a great town, he had
given the most persevering opposition to the Bills
respecting Shoreham, Ailesbury, and Cricklade. In
another case also, that of Stockbridge, there were
two Bills brought in, one for a transfer to the hun-
dred, and another for the punishment of the corrupt
voters. He also thought it better that the Bills
should be separate, and the Hon. Member for Hert-
fordshire only followed the- course of Mr. Fox, who
disapproved of including the disfranchisement of a
borough in the Bill which gave it to another place.
' Thus, it appeared that all those who were most fa-
vourable to reform, and amongst them Mr. Pitt, after
advocating the general principle, were in favour of
the course pursued in this instance, and, therefore,
he (Mr. Secretary Peel) was surprised that some
who now professed to be friends of reform should
declare that they would prefer seeing East Retford
as it was, to giving the franchise to the hundred.
Lie did not think, that perhaps at this advanced
period of the Session both branches of the Legisla-
ture might be able finally to decide upon the mea-
sure ; at the same time, he thought that as much as
possible ought to be done, so that it might be in-
troduced with effect at an' early period of the next
Session. He would decidedly oppose the amend-
ment.

Lord J. RUSSELL said that there was alrea

difference between a county like Cornwall, with an
overgrown representation, and a county which had,
perhaps, but few Members. In the latter, if the bo-
rough were proved guilty of corruption, he would
have a difficulty in taking away its franchise, and
would either give it to the county at large, or to a
portion of it. But when the Right Son. Gentle-
man said that Nottingham had only eight Members,
and that an injury would be inflicted if two were
taken away, the Right Hon. Gentleman was, he
thought, getting into notions rather too refined, and
such as were not fit for legislation on a subject like
the. present. Indeed the peculiarnotions of fitness
of all anti-reformers were as like reform as possible.
Ye acquitted the Right Hon. Gentleman of any de-
sire to conciliate particular persons by the present
measure, for he considered that all great bodies of
freeholders would secure good representation; but
he was for the transfer to a great town, because
Leeds, and Manchester, and Birmingham, were, in
his opinion, fitted for the exercise of the franchise,
and more in want of it than any portion of a county.
After the experience he had had with respect to
Leeds, he should say the Bill would have passed
but for the unfortunate jealousy between the' lauded
and the trading interest. That jealousy had sprung
up from the discussion and anticipation of new mea-
sures respecting the Corn Laws. The Noble Lord
concluded by saying that he should vote with his
Noble Friend (Lord Howick) whenever he moved
for an instruction such as be had spoken of.
Lord NORMANBY said, the elective franchise
having been very properly defined by the Right
Hon. Gentleman to be a trust, communicable by the
elective to the representative body, when in either
case the trust was broken, plain sense pointed out
the consideration of bow, best the franchise could
be dealt with, having a due regard to the changes
which had taken place in the distribution of pro-
perty. What, however, , the Dien. Member for
Hertfordshire did was to stick to the name of East
Retford, and, by altering freemen to freeholders,
thus render a service to the county, although. 'he
(Lord Normanby), thought it would be extremely
difficult .to prove .how Nottiughamshire had been
benefitted by the 201. paid to the Ea:lt Retford men
by Mr. Osbaldeston, or not paid by Mr. Marsh. To
the proposition for re-committal he had an objection
as, being more acquainted with Nottinghamshire
than his Noble Friend, his local knowledge led him
to the conclusion that the measure would be evil.—
The Noble Lord concluded by.saying, that he would
support the proposition of his Hon. Friend.
Mr. HOBHOUSE said, that he also would sup-
port the proposition of the Hon. Gentleman (Mr.
'Tennyson.) Indeed, he ..svOuld be unwilling, to
trust any ease of 'reform to the hands of the Hon.
Member for Hertfordshire," as, since the peace of
Utrecht was brought about by ri pair of 'gloves, amd
that a crooked Window caused the devasta
tion of the Palatinate, there never had been
so many great effects produced from little
causes as bad flowed from the proposition of the
Hon Gentleman...A Ministry had been knocked up,
Parliament was threatened to be put an end to, and
he believed that his Ifon. Friend (Mr. T.), had
not escaped without. grievious accidents; wherefore,
he thought, the subject had better be dismissed al-
together. He was quite of opinion that no more
time should be lost, and he hoped that his Hon.
Friend would press his motion, and knock up the
Bill altogether.
Mr. SLANEY was in favour of transferring the
franchise to a large town. It was supposed, most
erroneously as he conceived, that those large towns
were but nests of radicalism. He referred to the
cases of the City of London, to Bristol, Liverpool,
and Norwich, to show t hat they each returned Mem-
bers, of principles calculated to form suitable repre-
sentatives of persons of every class.
Mr. N. CALVERT explained.
Lord PALMERSTON was favourable to the
transfer of the franchise to a large town. Expe-
rience had proved that many disturbances arose
which might be effectually prevented were legitimate
representation eilj4ed. Where there are Represen-
tatives party feeling had a legitimate oreau, arid
vented itself harmlessly. The Legislature then
possessed an occasion, arising front the ascertained

delinquency of a particular place; and if that occa-
sion were allowed to pass, they might look in vain
for another. At the same time he was willing to

admit it was then too late to get the Bill thilitigh
Parliament during the present Session. He should
oppose the Bill, because he conceived uo practical
object could be attained by agreeing to it, and its
passing would be attended with the disadvantage of
sanction►ng the principle of giving to the adjoining

hundred a preference over a largo town.
, Mr; LUMLEY observed, that ac matters then
stood, two Parliamentary seats were iu abeyance ;
he was, therefore, opposed to delay. Influenced lay
that consideration, he had resolved on Monday next

:o move that a writ do issue for two Meral;ers t,,

serve iii Parliament for the borough of East Retrorit.
Mr. C. W. WYNN was not desiroas of gettiig

rid of the Bill altogether, though decidedly favour-
able to transferring it to a large town. The best
course, in his opinion, the House could pursue,
would be that of suspending the Bill until the next

Sessiou.

After a few words from Lord EBLtINGTON and Sir
F. BLAKS, _ _ _

The House divided, when there appeared—
For the original motion 97

Agaitat it ..

Majoritl in favour of the further eonsi- 55
deraton of the Report
Mr. N. CALVIiiRT moved that the House now
resolve itself into a Committee for the further eon-
sfderation of the Report.
Mr. TENNYSON moved, as an amendment,

that the Report be considered on the 14th July ■ext.
Mr. Secretary PEEL objected to the postpone-
ment, as did Mr. W. WYNN.
Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, I►nt
,a
division did not take place.
Mr. TENNYSON expressed his willingness to,
allow the Bill to proceed through the Committee,
on the understanding that the two Bills—t Lat for
the extension of the fratichise, and the disfranchise-
ment of the corrupt voters--should be sent up to
the Lords together.
Mr. Secretary PEEL thought it would be 'better
to keep the two measures perfectly distinct.
After an observation from Mr. H. GURNBY,
The question having been put that the Speaker
do leave the Chair,
Lord HOWICK moved that it be au iusti action
to the Committee to receive a clause, empowering
the Legislature to exclude the borough of East Rat-
ford from exercising the privilege of electing two
burgesses to represent the said place in Parliament,
and to transfer the elective franchise to the county
of York.

Mr. C. WOOD opposed the motion, and said
the wishes of the county of York were decidedly
against the proposition of the Noble Lord.
Mr. MARSHALL should oppose any motion
which tended to increase the influence of the Aris-
tocracy.
Mr. DUNCOMBE wished the Noble Lord would
withdraw his proposition, in which he could net
acquiesce.
Lord lIOWICK explained.
Mr. TENNYSON was satisfied to vote for the
motion, on the ground that it was merely to give in-
struction to a Committee, without pledging the
Muse to any particular course.
The House then divided on the motion, when the
ntunbers appeared,
For the motion l'7
Against it..
Majority
The amendment was accordingly negatived.
On our return to the gallery, we foand the House
in Committee ou the Bill.
Lord JOINT RUSSELL suggested that the eon-
tending opinions of all parties might be reconciled, by
giving, to the Crown, with the advice of:the Council,
the power of issuing writs for the election of Mem-
bers in the room of those for East Retford, to what-
ever place it should please. He would therefore
move that alter the words" County of Nottingham"
be inserted the words " and the said borough shall
be hereafter excluded, from sending Burge see to
serve in Rirliament."

Mr. BARING approved of any motion to prevent
the borough of East Retford from sending Members
to Parliament, but could not approve of any motion
for transferring the power of appointing Members in
their stead to the Crown.
Mr. F. LEWIS thought the mode suggested by
the Noble Lord would lead to much difficulty, and
disapproved of ally plan to throw smelt responsibility
on the Crown, if the House were to shrink out of
the performance of the task.
Mr. Alderman WOOD wished this question were
got rid of altogether. He would therefore move that
the Chairman do leave the Chair, and hoped he
might thus put an end to the matter, and that he
might never see the Chairman in the Chair again.—
(A laugh.)
The question having been put,
Mr. SLANEY would support the motion of the
Noble Lord.

'Strangers were ordered to withdraw, and the
House divided on the Amendment of Mr. Alderman
Wood, when the numbers appeared,
Against the Amendment 89
For tlie Amendment ' 19
Majerity
On returning we found
Mr. C. W. WYNN objecting to any resolution
calling on the Crown to issue writs for sum-
moning Members of that House. Though the
House originally summoned Members from places,
yet the number of Representati yes having been limited
by the articles of the Union with Ireland and Scot-
land, the Cron had not new the power of issuing
writs from any places that it might wish.
Sir J. MACKINTOSH would vote for the mo-
tion, as it would leave the Committee open to any
future course. The proceeding by Bill was the same
ill substance and origin with an Address to the Kiug.
. The Unions with Scotland and Ireland had ao more
to do with the questiost than the Korai bad. They
merely related to the relative preportion of Members
coining Prow each kingdom, but not to the comps-
, sitiou of the House. He wieeld rather lute tie
power of selecting the Ogee vested in the Crown,
and exercised by its Ministers, who were sensible to
public opinion, than in the heeds of a numerous as-
sembly, who were individually little responsible cud
little sensible to shame and remorse. The‘Ministers
would be sure to transfer the franchise to a large
manufeeturing town. Be would therefore prefer
• the mode of proceeding by Addecss.
Mr. Alderman WAITHMAN thotrght the mea-
sure could not pass this Sessien. The Ministers
were acting most imprudently in pressing this quee-
tion in preference to the public business. Against
the publie opinion, why should the Ministers sup-
port it ? There was no party supporting it; party
had disappeared. If, Its a reformer, he wished to
see confusion created, it would be his wish to see
the present dirty tricks on this question pet an cud
to; which went to lower the reputation of the Holm
and the character of the Administration. He would
rather'see the boroughs sold its the open market than
give the power of eleetiag one Member to that
House of Lords, which had already the pewer of
sending more than one hundred Members into that
House. If he had health and strength, he .would
rather move amendment after amendment, motion
after motion, and so 'weary out the Ministry, than
accede to the preposition.
Mr. LOTT said, he could not sit in that House
and hear, without repelling them, the rufounded im-
putations of the Hon. Member who had jest it
down. He had been sent to that Hottse es fairly
!tad constitutionally as any Hon. Member in it, and
he had acted independently of any set of Ministers.
Mr. SUGDEN should vote for transferring the
right of election to the hundred ; and could net
think, notwithstanding the opinion of an Hon. and
. Learned Gentleman, that in so voting be slipped
out of the pals of the Constitution.
Sir J. MACKINTOSH explained. The Hon.
and Learned Gentleman had completely misunder-
stood his view of the question. He had not. meow-
. mended to the House to desist from proceeding by
Bill—be had only expressed his opinion that the

mode of proceeding by Address, was more conform.
able to the principles of 1146 f-talon.
Mr. SUGDEN also •:zging leave to
dissent altogether from the in-uposition of the Hon.
and Learned Member.

Mr. IL GURNEY felt, under existing circum-
stances, that he could not vote for the motion of the
Noble Lord.

Mr. C. W. WYNN explained. He -had not in-
tended to say that the most constitutional course of
proceeding was by Address.—(Cries of " Question,
question.")
Lord J. RUSSELL rose, merely for the purpose
of oxplaining that his proposition only went to ex-
clude East Retford from sensing Members- to Par-
liament, and that the queStion would remain open
of remnying it to Birmingham or the hundred of
Bassetlaw.

After a few words from Mr. N. Calvert, Sir F.
Blake, Sir C. Burrell, Mr. Baring, and Mr. Benett,
the Committee divided, when there were--

For the clause 43
Against it lOB
Majority —65
On our re-admission to the Gallery we found the
Clerk reading a clause of the Bill, which having
done,
Mr. TENNYSON rose and said—after the dis-
position which the House has evinced respecting the
measure now before the Committee, it would be a
complete waste of my time were I to persist in
pressing the Bill fitrthet.—(Hear.)—l think, there-
fore, that the conduit of his Majesty's Ministers, ou
this oecasion,has bean base, unfair,unjust,and grossly
enceustitntional.—(Loud and' long continued cheer.
ing from the Opposition.)—Some Hots. Members
have professed their coufidence in his Majesty's
Ministers, in: censequence of the pledges (as we
understood the How Member) which they have
thought fit to give to the House. I am not, how-
ever one of those who are disposed to give strength
to the hope entertained upon that heed; but even
if I ‘vere, the conduct of his Majesty's Ministers,
est this particular question, would be sufficient to
shake it, for I must say, that in.my opinion this is a
most inauspicious commencement of their Ministry ;
it having led to the secession of three Ministers iu
whom the public placed some degree of confielenee.
I cannot distinguish it as any thing but a base sad
abominable job Of the Ministry, entered into for the
sake of propitiating a particular interest.—(Cheers.)
Mr. Secretary PEEL—It is untrue—(Loud and
long coritintiei cheeriug4-1 say that it is not true—
I say that it is not true that it is to serve any par-
ticular interest or purpose that the course that has
been pursued was adopted.—(Coutiusted cheering.)
It is net the fact that it was adopted with a view to
any base job. The Hers. Gentleman's' proposition
has been rejected by the sense of the House, fairly
taken, and nowshe attempts to compensate himself
for his disappointment by the ase of language which
is utterly unjustifiable by Parlituneutary usage, and
which cannot with proftiety be assumed by any one.
Mr. TENNYSON.—I beg to say that my senti-
ments were not delivered under any degree of ex-
citement. (A laugh.) They are my deliberate
sentinsouts. Undoubtedly this was. a measure, the i
success of which I had much at heart, on public
grounds, and I might therefore lie allowed to ex-
press some disappointment at my failure, on account
of the consequences to the country; but I have not
viewed it.with tiny degree of temper whatever.—
(Cheers and laughter.) But I say again, that this
conduct has been pursued by Ministers to serve par-
ticular interests. I did not make any personal allu-
sion to the Right Ma. Gentleman; 1 spoke of his
Majesty's Ministers in a body. I think the Right
Hon. Gentleman said that my language was unpar-
liamentary, but I stand upon my right to arraign his
Majesty's Ministers, in terms that are Parliamen-
' tars', in any portiou of their conduct. With respect
to the conduct of the Right Hon. Gentleman per-
sonally, I can only say that I am almost the only
Member in this House who relieved him from the
charge of having giveu a particular pledge 4051 this
question. I have sail, and I say now, that he nes er
did pledge himself in words to any particular line of
conduct. But the language he used led me to draw
au inference, which this House and the country at
large drew from it. (Cries of No.) I do not mean
to adopt, as my own, any of the scurrilous language
which has found its way into the public prints,where
the Right Hon. Gentleman's conduct is spoken of as
hypocritical; I say I do not adopt that laneliage,
but that is the impression of the country. Great
confusion ; cries of no, no, " the country has no such
impression.") Why, even the Tory publications
regretted that the Right Hon. Gentleman should
have taken the course be has. But I state that I
do not thiuk that the Right Hou. Gentleman was
pledged to take that.eourse, althought others have
said that he was. That is my deliberate opinion.
hear.)
Mr. PEEL—The Hen. Gentleman is perfectly
right in applying to the conduct of his Majesty's
Ministers the term unconstitutional, illegal, or any
phrase of the kind ; but if the Hon. Gentleman ap-
plies to my conduit, either as an individual or a
Minister the epithet of base, I will not resign the
privilege which I possess as a Member of this House
of meeting a charge of such a nature with indignant
refutation—(loud cheers)--and that too in terms as
strong as those in which the charge is made. The
Hon. Gentleman has again repeated that he con-
ceives the conduct of his Majesty's Government to
have been influenced by a'desire to conciliate some
particular iuterest. I can only meet that general
charge by a general denial, and I do state, upon my
honour as a gentleman, that neither directly or in-
directly iu the remotest way, have I had any com-
muuication whatever with any person possessing any
interest in this question. I claimed the privilege of
giving my vote upon this particular question, unfetter-
ed by any pledge,expreesed or irnplied,actual or moral.
If I did make this a Government question,it was from
Ih a desire to act with fairness; and, as the organ of Go-
vernment in this House, in speaking of the course
that wilt meant to be adopted in respect to these
two bordwghs, I did pledge myself that the influence
of ny colleagues in the House of Lords should be
so everted as to make the Bills take the mme course
there, except as far as the judicial part of the ques-
tion was concerned. On that point I could, of
course, make no pledge—give no promise. When,
therefore, the term base ss applied to the course
ir,
d
h e
Douse
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to)
ietiuitssuocil taao‘osGvveitiheteoet,oo:lhvisfol
remained
resooteei
fki
eettan:tuudl
which has been taken, it imputes motives utterly
ate
of
se
an
re
ttejtist. The Hoii. Gentleman's observations coutain
a sort of expression which is half personal and half
,parliatnentary—(loud cheers)—but wholly un-
warranted by the usage of this House, or by the real
motives which influenced the conduct of his Majesty's
Government.--(Loud *cheers.)
Mr. STANLEY.—It is to be regretted that from
. .
the beginning to the end of this queStiou—in itself
of uo great consequence, but of vast importance
Itlllitiurnlnvolvets—Hit has been made the
tfvy in
lheoeil
smi ihecialtue:e
question;
tfpri
norpionnas
;r: yplctlaefedeesi tit
which I had hoped
slevdi,ththritetW
Right Hos,. Friend near me, and the Right Hoa.
Gentleman opposite, have rather unnecessarily 4e,
le4titiionkmrimiayt
deviated into strong, and perhaps unwarrantable
language. (Cheers cud cries of" No, no," from both
sides of the House.) I spirt what has fallen front
my Hon. Prism], on account of the answer to which
it led from the Right Honourable Gentleman, who,
I mast say, I think, toOt the expressions in a sense
into which it required extreme force to twist thew.
(Laughter.) I really cannot help thinking that he
indulged in • great deed of unnecessary indignation;
indignation expressed too at what barely exceeded,
if at all, the limits of Parliamentary usage. (Cheers.)
With regard to one or two observations which have
fallen from different Hon. Members in the course of
the debate on this question, from whatever motive
ouch
gs:vv,
err:
hdeori
oni
ttu:sourcemtvdd n.eloirakffi:iott,ter,i;,iopitiiciaib,ml.loeltitnills:,occiy:oh;iwalvaeol;:ets!;kceeeoeyoi,glii,ifiTini.tgiwsahttuthtehtslcdtBi cannot help thity's nking that I
Go-
ose
to diminish the small hope I clitettailied of liberal

and constitutional measures being pursued. I do
nut, however, profess any determined systematic
opposition to the present, any more than I did
to, the late Government—l am as ready to look
at its acts as I was to those of its predecessor,
and if its measures are good, 1 shall be the very
last to 'oppose then) for opposition's sake. But, as I
said before; my hopes are much diminished by the
late ehangein the cabinet, and if any thing could
diminish those have left, it would be the language
I hear night after night from particular parties within
these walls. (Loud cheers.) If free trade be
talked of, we.have the •Viee President of the Board

of Trade to profess that on that subject his mind is
a sheet; of blank.paper ;, that be will think of it, and
see what can be.done.. (Loud cheers.) If agricul-
ture be mentioned, or any thing else which directly
or indirectly seems to affect the landed interest, we
have those particularly connected with it, and who

are supposed to be its organs, speaking of its being
the time to look to their rights,,to secure their in-
dividual and.special interests. \Vhy.is this? Be-
eause.they hope that at least they have a Govern-
ment .which will support them against those of the
commercial and manufacturing part of the nation.
(Loud and continued cheers.) I hope I. may be
mistaken in my forebodings; but what can be said
of such language but that it is extremely suspicious ?
(Hear, hear,. hear.) There is one point more to

which I wish to allude. I confess twat the discus-

sions that have taken place, and the divisions that
have followed, ou this particular question, make it
useless to attempt any further opposition to its pro-
gress in the course of the present Session. I know
not whether it can pass or not, but I know, from
the advanced period of the Session, and the state
of the attendance on the House, any opposition to

it would be futile. I beg however to say, that

though I shall cease to oppose it, my opinion on the
Bill is completely unaltered. I hope that the prin-
ciple professed by the Right .Hon. Gentleman, not
to give a pi eponderatiug influence either to the
lauded or manufacturing interest, if it be possible to

avoid it, will hereafter be ucted upon. If any bo-
rough shall in future be found to forfeit its rights IA ;•
shall, I hope, remember that this last, though not
first, forfeiture—r.(eheers)—has been given to the

k►uded interest. I trust that on the next otraci‘3)

she massufacturing interest will be found entitled to
its share in the legislation of the country.
Mr. Secretary PEEL—I beg to address myself
more particularly to what has last fallen front the
Hou. Member. With respect to what first fell from
him I must say tbat.l am the last man to set an

example in this House of the die of language uor
of a Parliamentary nature; but when language of
au equivocal nature is used to me, I shall exercise

the privilege I possess of replying to it. With re-
spect to what fell last from the Hon. Member,

have,this difficulty in answering him ; it is, that four
hours before he made his appearance in the House,
I had an opportunity of stating the course which I
should pursue. Had. the franchise for Peuryn been
thrown into the county, I should have had no ob-
jection to that for East Retford going to the Mallll-
- town. When I thought we had two fran-
chises to deal with I voted the transfer of that of
Penryn to a manufacturing town, and thus recog-
nized the principle that the Hon. Gentleman re-
quires ; but with respect to what I may do with the
next borough, unless I know all the circumatattees
connected with it, it is impossible for me to say,
except by re-stating the principle on which I should
have acted, its case the Lords had transferred Penryn
to the hundred, in which case I should this night

have voted for the. transfer of the franchise of Cast
Retford to Manchester.

.Mr. TENNYSON—If the Right Hon. Gentle-
man supposes for a moment that I applied the tertna
I made use of personally to him, I can assure hint
he is mistaken. No one can be more unwilling 0141
myself to apply personal observations. What I said
was applied to the Government as a collective body,
and as regards it I may perhaps have used rather
strong expressions; but I must persist in saying,
that I think his Majesty's Government were in-
fluenced in the manner I stated. I cannot sit down
without expressing my hope that the Right Hon.
Gentleman will redeem me from any intention of
having spoken personally.
Mr. Secretary PEEL—I can 'now qty that I
have utterly forgotten every thing that has pissed.,
Lord J. RUSSELL—There is one thing th 6
Right .Hon. Secretary seems to have forgotten,
which I beg to call to his mind.—(Cheers and
laughter.) He was asked whether, in the event of

this Bill passing into a law, the next forfeited fran-
chise should he given to a manufacturing town.--
The Right Hon. Gentleman merely says thm.he
does not know what the circumstlnces of 0.A4,., next
case may be.

Mr. Secretary PEEL—I can only answer the
quettion by supposing a case. If I had to-morrow
the case of Grampound, I should have no objection
to transfer the franchise to a great town, but I will
not bind myself without knowing all the circum,
stances of the case. In the Penryn case, I wishe,
to transfer the franchise to Manchester, in preference
to throwing it into the hundred, on aecount of the
great number of Members Cornwall would still have
left. • My decision must depend 04 a variety of cir-
cumstances. But if a case the same as this should
arise, 1 will redeem any pledge I may have given. I
will net, however, pledge myself to any particithe:
course, in cases where a judicial consideration ye,,,t
precede the transfer.
Mr. LITTLETON said there could not Le, 4
more definite ease than the present. What would
they do if there was another case as strong as it
Mr. Secretary PEEL complained of the manlier
./
to which the -question was pressed upon him. It
was not his duty, as a Minister of the Crown, to give
any pledge as to future decisions,
Mr. H. GURNEY thought that the manner
in which the question had been pressed very
much exceeded the bounds both of decency and
Parliamentary usage.
A Member, whose name we could not kart),
protested against any Minister binding himself to a
psrricular course. It was unconstitutional.—(Laugh-
ter.) Besides, how could it be known that the
Right lion. Member would hold his situation that.
day six months ?—(A laugh.)
Sir F. BLAKE (as we understood) was of opi-
nion, that Ministers. ought to be at liberty as circum-
stances did.—(Loud laughter.)
The clause, with several others, A'AS then agreed
to the House resumed, the Report was brought up
and ordered to be taken into Wither consideration
on Thursday next.
THE BANK NOTES,- BILL.—(IRELAND AND
SCOTLAND.)
' Mr. E. DAVENPORT wished to postpone the
third reading of this Bill, on account of the late
baur-Of the night, and the consequent imperfect
discussion it must receive.
On being reminded by the CHANCELLOR of the
EXCHEQUER and Mr. PEEL,
that it had been already
amply discussed, and that it was again to be discuss-
ed in the House of Lords,
Mr. E..DAVENPORT then proceeded to op-
pose the third reading. He had yet heard nothing
which could induce him to agree to this measure,
and ho was only surprised how the landed interest
could be cajoled or dragooned into voting for a mea-
sure so much against the interests of their tenants
and constituents.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
contended that the circulation of small notes was so
incousiderable that their withdrawal could have no
injurious- effect upon the general circulation of this
country.
Sir J. GRAHAM thought the Bill was unfair
and delusive for Ireland and
Mr. Secretary PEEL allowed that there was an
tsoeowatiradnsd.England,
anomaly in the measure, but thought it could not be
got over at present.
Mr. GURNEY opposed the Bill.
• Mr. KEITH DOUGLAS saw nothing in the
Act calculated to give the least alarm to any body in
either country.
Mr, ATTWOOD spoke at considerable length

against the principle and operation of this Bill. He
opposed the third reading, and maintained that his
objections were fortified by the evidence formerly
given by Mr. Harman.
Mr. WARBURTON supported the principle of
the Bill.
The SOLICITOR-GENERAL shewed that
the
,word " publish" was introduced into this Bill
in conformity to all precedents ; the phrase in such
cases being, " utter, publish, circulate, or traraer."
Sir J. GRAHAM desired to ask whether he
should be liable to the penalty under this Act, of
20/., if, being in England, he were to draw a cheque
of 5/. or less upon his banker in Scotland, and de-
liver it in payment to some party here ?
The SOLICITOR-GENERAL thought he
would not, and confessed he saw nothing in the diffi-
culty suggested.
Mr. G. LAMB was of opinion that the word
publish should be omitted.
The pinery was then cleared for a division when
F. he numbers were—

For the third reading 54
Against it l3
Majority —46

The Bill was then lead a third time.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
then broNght up a clause, giving directions to the
Lords of the Treasury to remit or mitigate, upon
satisfactory cause being shewn them, the whole or
any part of the penalties devised by this Bill.
Sir J. GRAHAM objected to giving the Trea-
sury so unusual and extensive a power as this.
Mr. HUME concurred in the objection.
Mr. ATT WOOD considered the penalties unne-
cessary.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER,
although not prepared with any specific Act, felt
himself autliori,:ed to state that former statutes had
vested a similar power in the same quarter.
The clause was then read a first and second time,
added by way of rider to the Bill, and the Bill
passed.
On the motion of Mr. G. DAWSON, the other
Orders of the Day were then read.
After a few remarks from Mr. Charles Pallmer,
Lord Stanley, Mr. Hume, Mr. Bennett, and the
Chancellor of the Exchequer, the Savings Banks
Bill was read a second time, and ordered to be corn-
.;liitted on Monday.
Lord LOWTIIER moved the third reading of
the Cities and Boroughs Polls Bills.
Colonel SIBTHORPE moved as an amendment
that the Bill be read a third time that day three
months.
After a few words from Mr. FYLER, and M.
FR/C:KLAND LEWIS, the House divided, when there
ippettricl for the third reading—
Ayes

. 4S

Noes
Majority
The j3;11 Nras then read a third time and pased

The Ski"le of Game Bill was considered in Com-
mittee—some amendment 9, verbal and otherwise,
were agreed to, alift the House resumed, when the
Chairman reported progress, and obtained leave to
again on Monday next.
The other Orders of the Day were then disposed
4.1., and the House adjourned at a •Quarter before
'.Three o'clock, to Monday•

LIST OF THE MINO
OF I:ORTY-TV.7O WHO VOTED NVITII MR. TENN-
PONEMEN I' OF THE. EAST RETFORD DUI
DURING TOE PRESENT SESSION.
Attwood, M. Graham, Sir J. Slaney, R. A.
Barclay, David Grant, Right 110 C. Stanley, Lord
Baring, A. Grant, R. Stewart, Sir M.
Bentinck, Lord C. HoPle, Jo,eldi Stewait, James
Blake,Sir F. Jephson, C. 0. Stuart, Villiers
Boyle, li(sn. R. Kekewich, d.'l'. Waithman, Ald
Cave, R. 0. Lascelles, Hon. W, Warburton, H.
Dawson, A. Lamb, Hon. G. Wall, C. B.
Davenport, E. D. Marshall, J. Wood, Ald.
Denison, J. E. Martin, J. Wood, C.
Dickinson, W. Macintosh, Sir J. Wood, .1.
Dundas, Hon. H. g,:tcdonald, Sir Jas. Wynn, Right Hon.o
Ebrington, Viscount Nugent, Lord TELLERS.
Fetgusson, R. C. Palmerston, 'Vise. - Normanhy, Viscoun.
3'yler, T. B. Philliroorg, Dr. Tennyson, C.
N. UNIBERS ON THE RESPECT_ ill"E QUESTIONS.
f jut Division—On Mr. Tannyson,s Motlon to postpone the
East Ret4ord Bill until the next Session :...41 for the postpone-
ment ; 72 avinst it—Majority 30.
Second Division—On Lord Howick's Motion, that it be an in.
ttruction to tile r.pminittee to give the two Members to York-
shire ; each 1141,ink- to return two Members :—Ayes 17, Noes 93.
:Majority 73.
Third Division—On I,ly. Alderman Wood's Motion in Com-
mittee to put an end to the 13;.,1 :—A yes 15, Noes 95—Majority 3,1.
.Fourth Division—On Lord ititio Russell's Motion, fo
Noes r the ab-
.stitite Disfranchisement of East RetOrft :—Ayes 43, 108—
alLaiorlty 115.
--

114 ON FOR THE POST-
FR:INCHISEt\II•NT ❑ILL

.ITY
READING OP THE
OF ONE POUND NOTES
-(FOR 13. AGAINST 59.)
Wodehouse, Ed.

MST OF THE MINOR,
OF' 'A-HIRTEP:i WHO ,YOTAD LCAINST TU HI
BILL. FOR SIT9O9SING :MI: CIRCUI lON
OP I HE DA Nii. OF :4CDTCAND AND ENCKAND.—
Blake, Sir F. Hume, Jozep,h
lienett, JOllll Lal7l), 1100, ki•
Douglas, W. R. K. Martin, .1, TELLERs.
.44W0,9,1, M.
Davenport, E. D. 'Thompson, Aid.
(;railatn, ..91- J
Gurney, 1 i Pendarves E. \V.
.101 e,,, J. Vyvyan, Sir R.

FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE.

FRENCH PAPERS.

(From the Gazette de Francs, dated June 26.)
Letters from Florence say, that M. deßibeaupierre waits
only for the departure of Mr. S. Canning from London to
Corfu, to return himself to the latter place. Ile is said
to have received, about the end of May, the most precise
orders on this subject.
Letters from Aneana say, that an English cutter, which
has arrived at that place from Corfu, had brought word that
the blockade of Alexandria had been resolved upon, and
that ,it would probably be commanded by Admiral de
it;gny. Jt was asserted. at Ancona, that Ibrahim Paella
was going tb retire to the interior .of is Mores with ten
thousand men, and that he woetel leave seven thousand
men, under the ,command of Samar. Bey, zu Coron,
Motion, and Navaritt,
The Greeks have rejeeteJ the proposal which the Porte
has made to them through the Bishops, whom they have even
arrested. It is thought that th,ia,eircumstance is the cause
of the fresh incursion of Ibrahim. Several Philhellenee,
among whom is Lord Coehrane's nephew, bave landed at
Ancona, on their return from Greece.—AwAburg Gaz.
PARIS, JUNE 25.—The King of Sardinia *lea just
granted 700,000 francs to the College a the Jesuits, at
Chambray„
A report Was spread at Vienna, tit the Abbas Mirea
was marching with hostile intentions against Bagdad, and
that the Porte teas greatly embarrassed by the appftrance
of this new enemy.
Letters from the Sett d'Urgel say, that every step pre-
paratory to the departure of the garrison had been taken,
but hitherto neither the Spanish Authorities nor the
troops had appeared to take possession of the place.
14'itEeleit FUNDfi.— Rentes, 5 per Cents. 105 f. 25c.
65e. ; 3 per Cents. '7lf. 60a. '75c.; Bank Actions,
1,926 f. 1,6122 E 50c.
FOREWN FLJNps.—Neapolitati Sento Cert. Fal. 75f.
65c. ; Royal Spanish Loan, '7S '73i; fe.menieli nente,,
/32- ; Haytian Loan, 075 E 672 f. 545 c.
/ 4
(From the Messager des Chambres of Friday.)
The 13fessager contains two Balietins a the Russian
Army, from the Camp of Satounowa. The first repeats
the particulars of the passage of the Danube. The second,
lattrd June 11, p.rn., states, that after the paceaie of the
Danube had been forced on the morning of the Bth June,
.he two following days were employed in conveying the
remainder of the troops to the poeitions abandoned by the
enemy on the morning of the 9th. 'Dee remainder of the
,suburb of the fasatzeka was burnt by the teeny.
Oh the afternoon of the same day, the Empere himself
crossed the Danube, escorted j r the 10th Zaporogin Coe-
sacks, lately subjects of the Porte, wine bad just received the
Cross of St. George, while their Atama.e, letely a Paella of
Two Tails, held the helm. ,Du the 10th, Ile Paella of
lssaktcka signified his intention to surrender the pleee,
according to a capitulation.which was done the neat day
Eypul Pacha, the Governor, and Rum 'ueha, who had
taken refuge in the place because his troops dispersed after
present their respects to the
the affair of the Bth,- came to
Emperor, at some distance from the place ; at the same time
the Russian troops, guided by the Paellas, occupied the
gates and ramparts, and on entering the town found the
shops open, and the inhabitants ready to receive them.
The garrison and the two Dachas obtained permission to
depart ; but eighty-he cannon, seventeenstandardg, the
ammunition, &c. remained in our power, Ott the sante
day we received news of an action on the oth of Junefnear
Braik,w, between our flotilla of 17 vessels, anti that of the
Turks, of 32. The enemy's Admiral soon struck, and in
a few hours 25 other Turkish vessels were taken, sunk;
burnt, or run aground. The remaining six sought pro-
tection under the guns of the fortress of Matcbine. This
event renders the situation of Brailow more critical, by
cutting off its communication with the right bank. The
biege makes fresh progress every day. The bridge over the