The Sun.
London, England, 1845-05-09 00:00:00

RAILIVAY COMMITTEES.

(THIS DAY.)

Croup Q.
The Committee for the consideration of the railways comprised
in this group re.assetnbled at eleven o'clock this day. Present,
mieller) Mr. Sotberon (North Wiltshire), Chairman ; Mr. B. Escott (Win.
ill!' Thomas Colebrook (Taunton) ; Viscount Duncan
'44'; ( iktti)l and. Mr. Pusey (Berkshire).
Nonni WALES RAILWAY.
Mr, CALTERT, counsel for the promoters of this Bee, having an-
b'''Thred to the Committee that he was happy to inform them an
'able arrangement had been come to between him and Sir
er Riddle, the counsel for Mr. Wynne, who was the on..y
si,,
4 • 42ti°n to the preamble, said he would proceed, with the permis.
t 4 the Cowl-Mace, to call evidence for the purpose of proving
Preamble.
• Mr vs,
tlihe; "BM 'Watkins, land.agpent and farmer, was then exa-
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ts• Mr. Balmy—He deoeed to the present want ot
'24e for traffic by the district through which the line was
• :it", Which comprised thirty. six agricul urel parishes—that this
t-ZaY would afford the inhabitants the means of carrying
. or 'nengeneee; Ftc ,to the manufacturing districts, and also
41Iing coals from Flintshire at a considerably diminished
rate from
with the present cost of carriage, and that the junction
t;aenefits to u!. b
‘e Chester and Ho'yhied Railway would add greatly to
be derived from it by that district. The under.
%Tit was very acceptable to the inhabitants.
so \Vil'urdon, engineer, deposed that the railway was
constructed as that it could at any time be brought into coin.
I,letecgitnexion with the Chester and Holyhead line, and the
Nr ni`nus at the other end of the line was to be in connexion with
tk_
harbonr of Portdielliten.
' • of t ;Tarn" Spooner, engineer, was next examined as to the details
at estimate. He had gone into all the particulars of the
i;ll:rer:ruPrd ample
on fov.a
to he constructed on the line, and he considered the estimate
l'
thes completion of the railway.
again called and examined as to the cost of para.
ett
th "'lke on the line. He gave similar evidence on these points
'eat witness, that the cost of tunnelling had been calculated
tibe"v tbi• Per yard, and working expenses of the line, wouwl-
lY undei 40 per cent, on the proceeds of the traffic be co
(LEFT SITTING.)

• Group X.
Ih LONDON AND YORK RAILWAY.
Committee reassembled at twelve o'clock, and proceeded
lth the consideration of this scheme.
`yr,
Pitman handed in a table of the traffic along the line be-
, etHuntingdon and London. Ile had compiled this tab'e from
~ Ur ,8 which had beenmade to him by the witnesses who had been
'llltravelling
i y
a4lined before the Committee. He had estimated that the cost
c was &I. per mile for each passenger. He
Lovelthnated b
theoach income of the railway between Huntingdon and
t.mon from all sources except coal at 242,380/. per annum.
mr• Palmer, a miller of Stamford, was called to prove that the
nePr°Posed would be a great advantage to that town and Grantham

c_ Group V.
cpcon° orarnitte on this group, consisting of the Chairman, The
Ael4 r Don. Mr. Hope Johnstone,' Mr. Davies, Sir John Rae
;and Sir Denham Norreys, met at twelve o'clock this morn_
tai nct Proceed( d to take evidence on the part of the opponents of

, Tile . NOTTINGHAM AND LINCOLN LINE.
hepro,qllt wit.seis called was Mr. Rastrick, civil engineer, and
pease ed. %at another line might be adopted at an increascd ex.
level ir'hiell 'would obviate the necessity of the Flood-road at a
, "
!tar -_ ould cross by either of two f des, by taking the rail_
~ elle „h m'
~. L r the road, nr the road over the railway. There were nol
s• '-'," great
requir 't engineering difficulties to be overcome. There would i
I Ali; to be a gradient of one in a hundred for above a quarter of
iseetys'
rin order to cross the road, and an equal gradient would be
tlilty,:Y (”1 the other side. This would occasion no great ditti-
-ceinbg, as he had already stated, on the score of money.

The c (Group B.)
*ith the lan 61,arnitdholde ee
rs re
opposition
kr. 13 WEST RIDING LINE.
grantt ''es appeared on behalf of a Dr. Lister, the heir
,_l'Weet ~c,'„Bl),,iPlY Hall, an ancient and romantic mansion in a plc
'ate 31,u; sera about a mile and a half from Halitax. The es-
* Period Learned Counsel stated, had been in the same family for
aadn or upwards of 200 years, and it was desired by the owner
• en Riding Company would totally destroy it, and Dr.
Astorx,,irihad. therefore, petitioned Parliament against the line.
the CeDee having been adduced to substantiate the statement of
NI 'lulled Counsel,
lent r' 4LaxaNnan addressed the Committee on behalf of the pre.
WhikcieuPant of Shipley Hall, a lady named Miss Mary Ann
Ntrer:. who is, unfortunately, a lunatic.
'Nowtts appeared for several petitioners against
vrb,ie
pis IE WEST LINES,
gr of
the lin TF
roPert
f
Y w ould beinterferedYOßKSHlßE with or destroyed by the pro.

Group N.
til th
part_a.t4,,,,,lrin.:lntos made by
WEST CORNWALL RAILWAY.
-- asse • • xi AUSTI N replied to the
"bseNt, mbling of the Committee. ,r. ..
Mr. Sma!e yesterday, who objected, on the
al.._ llre Bev. Mr. Millet, to a small branch running from the
a place called Carnscw wharf, which, it was argued,.
v 74, Ist serious! '
T:„„, Y injure his property, and that there was ample rail.
eqc—unnadation at the present moment.
141 wee, 14Itlee suggested that an understanding might be made
A„ .Ir. Millett and the Company.
. aiid the" much discussion, however, no arrangement was come to,
amid we•biection was deferred until tine Committee have termi-
4lat 4r Ir iaVemigatios of the main line. It was then stated
4 Night Tharnas's opposition to the Bill had not been withdrawn,
• 14, mhate been surmised from what occurred yesterday.
triprtiki Aekta.sr, the Chairman, said he was labouring theuinadderbeen
settgni from what had taken place, that the matter had
..., het_
ur.
80 ‘seen the parties.
t%ree
- ' ence h
wa said an arrangement had not been come to, though a
lir. 8 had taken place.
44a
ail.,
informed the Committee that an amicable arrange.
114 rail., b•els come to between Lord Vivian and the projectors of
' ''ithci -4Y, and that his opposition to the Bill, therefore, would be
.44 ems Captain Moorsom hal endeavoured to effect an ar-
'ket -"PX
°n the part of the company with Mr. Thomas, with re-
i theNtZ--e alteration of the proposed line, so that it might not run
.. 44:suingc,,,
1;1-'itlnP:Ii°,Pgerty , but he had been uasuccesiful in coming to
' • kr..l,h:MAcAuLAy said (addressing Mr. Rowe, who appeared for
had 1,,,,trn,4%), it would be satisfactory to know that Mr. Thomas
115.•,,,. retuned a reasone)le offer.
made. "°w e said he was instructed to say that no offer had been

(LEFT SITTING.)
I'E CALL
Group DD.
1)"14N. AND GLASGOW, DUMFRIES, AND
The Co_ CARLISLE RAILWAYS
shortly
an'mernittee re assembled at the usual hour this morning, and
before the,: Pruceeded with the further consideration of the Bills
)Ir 7,,,
I",:ftalleedt
17Tg°neirnielnraellnycesdupbeyrienxteanmiliin'igng the getting
Pgeatrtei,ngwho had been
up oft theon
rail 41". Ile said he had been for a long time engaged ways, and
coring had had considerable experience . in
„pine.-
tio tables of traffic fur various lines. His a !
raii,el4 first called to the route which the Caledonian
:::}l,ll,oc.:kite:e., upwards of three years ago.
an to the ttrlantlione
fere,„" S.haw and other gentlemen, well.acquainted with the
in-
He had engadgeif
through which the line passed, to make ever y 1 ..0
and from their observations, together a
fithh id
,rnainp,,,d PrePared the tables now before the Committee. f e a
Ihe ra.,,,V0 Scotland during a month at two several times to verify
of ~,,,:n"1,4 of his researches. In order to get at the probable amount
'Pith thu.ractured goods to be expected, he had made
.acquaintance
oral:4ri pal' Principal manufacturers in Edinburgh, Leith, G asgho
to,
in 'lel, and inquired as to their traffic north and sout
,a 4,1 Dundee. He also visited the other principal towns
tA'sch -,:ine, and made every inquiry as to the coach traffic from
'Mk 140Prieters and others, and substantiated this information
tou_sclual returns made to the Stamp.offite. He got his ae-
k,4o., of the
number of goods exported and imported from the
INtle,
makeU at Leith, Glasgow, and Dundee. For the mineral
:41 "oPloyed several eminent engineers to inspect the mines
VsParer,-the necessary inquiries. The agricultural tables were
Z:4l. f—set'erZu actual experience, and from information derived
!-iter, -, farmer., and others acquainted with agricultural
~.t ta' NlNir• Pare then went minutely into the details,ho
rter:Cc exPected along the proposed line.
The
''rived 'eselts are as follow :—The income to
,2.4 tat NtrQrn passengers of all classes by land amounted to
VI4Ele e"s' 911.9 which being doubled, according to Parliamensary
.s.-4serL CsllwaY affairs, would yield a sum of 64,896/. 7s. 6d.
7 4 's by steam-packets and other sea vessels realised a sum
ft 1,4,°121. I Is. 3d., but this amount had not been doubled, as
*.etlldnibtrul whether the stearn.vessels now sailing to and fro
tt,
do,
t .1 Y so Many passengers when the railway was made as
I..lesent,.. kat Present. The total amount expected
-", to--", "7 every means of conveyance was 85,708/.
600,18 —., revenue which would be realised from the conveyance of
t°rat'el°,lld amount to 140,302/.2ed. The gross total
f 4
24 A ,iel, would result from these items would yield the sum
ISI 1;,12,1'17a. lied
4.)e:,a',d, of the Garthsherrie ironworks, near Old Monk-
-4tlfqto"4l then examined. There were fifty six iron ma.
I,erst, 'l's in Airdrie and Its neighbourhood, which pro.
k ._4ritit.°_n the average, seven thousand tons weekly. The
i, ITis, .I.},uil:lirnestone consumed weekly in its manufacture was 333,
„a.)
1. It itne
used was principally obtained from a place called Bed-
e Was not of the best quality, but sufficiently good for the
"lk U Qf."'king iron. The reason why the best limestone
.was
e ss(4l,-.41. beeatue the carriage at present was too expensive.
"Orl eu,':'or setts Of limestone were obtained from Netherwoodi
Nitti, i"l'esnaUld, and were extensively used in building and a -
1414%caat""es• The qtaantity brought weekly from these
-ves 1.000 tons.

l'°111)

Group F.
Mr Shaw In
the cehntnrnittee resumed today at twelve o'clock, her. it,°°ll, WORCESTER, and BIRMINGHAM RAILWAY.
4r air.
,r ~ . Ttiri,r, °f
or Worcester, examined by
,r` did '
greater portion o
good. d et Was very considerable. The
Binning.
l'a
" - 144"ofthe district went north towards .
Mr. Hone.—The trafficfatflihee
lc,. ..,.., Ms
There
'was .fle Proportion might be two parts out of three. Th.., considerable traffic in hops, but it was rather uwnocnerl-t,afinnr.
whi'retenas likewise great traffic in fruit, vegetables,faanntnt
red
goods,
groterie. e_xchange, were received various man:nuld
best serve
the ir,t._ A.'e• Ile considered the narrow gauge
eest,r
w•-,:sts of the district. The Great Western party in Wor-
idedrk,a,re7ery strong, and highly respectable. They
ble lawyer
to or. Jnrity. The Great Western party had a very a
1,,_ .anise them, and they had likewise the advantage of superior
were
t—lcUre4en,e_ax.,so that they had been able to carry public meetings.
ki,Dott. arninedSergeant KINGLAKS—DT.Oit.W.iCiIhy was an
derived
TN, s!nt Place, and used a great amount of coal principally
in_..ll,Blitrtnthiei purse of going
t4-t
Leh"t Staffordshire. In the passengers of which he sponke.
1,440 t northwards, a number of them no doubt went to Einrtma
fir.i g
to Loudon by the London a
That, that 'no. That route at present was a more convenient one
Cross. by Cheltenham, and the Great Western.
rallorexacnined by Mr. COCKBURN, who appeared for the Cori 46 "",..". Worcester against the Bill, as far as it effected that city._
An, .7new that to a considerable extent the Pr.Pooeed,
, . r,,,,r‘thrersed the property of the Corporation. It was caul:
Pert, ta- -ProPert Iby a raised viaduct of 23 feet high. The p
d-
rlo eo "''lsted principally of houses of an inferior character, an
w_
.Uot considerable damage would be done to it. The Great
I,tsteern line was not liable' to the same objection.
Istion4Mincd—The houses were inhabited by a very poor popu-
evert ' and It would be an advantage to the city if many of them
etio.ed
kr. .. ,as at present the locality was very unhealthy.
gtiatiti, 4‘ Wells,
sop merchant, of Worcester, examined—The
1,4q0 tY °!1,013s raised in the distriot was 17,000 pockets, or about
fro N. In addition to this were received about 4,000 pockets
weeln the te,d
eth '' ft' market. Some times the crop failed there, and
e greater Proportion was received from London. The hops
tra..rneiPally sent to the north. The seed trade of the district
I,er :'0 very considerable. His own trade was about 1,200 tors
~...U.Ol. ve,
lie was not prepared to give an opinion ow the rela-
},aBtl.7ts of the gauges, though he considered the change of car-
Ught to be avoided.
Rothin
irirr.t.4 g material a•as elicited in the cross.examination of this
C
r. Jamey'btineit Wall, carrier, and a member of the Worcester Town,
t4onr 01..exnlineci.—Nearly all the carriers of Worcester were, in
T„,
i„cl the narrow gauge, and there was a growing
Z_ ouncil in a similar direction Ilibr.yte_tho: L.wa.asrcnaeldledGebnytleNmira.niiope, but no feeling in the
question being put to
tco.
.._‘-:.
he said he wished to ask the witness a question or
:trt4l_7nane understood he was from Droltwich. In answer to the
ikt brn.int to him, this witness stated that the annual make of
et, Soul'ieh was 80,000 tons, which was sent to the London
c.941i4a Waits,
the West of England, and the midland
g9_441:,_ Tile coal ufeil ii; Aking tin at was derkpl

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