The Sun.
London, England, 1810-05-26 00:00:00

'Friend near to him" do so. His Hon. Friend only
stated that that was enough., for the argument of to-
night ; there was no reason to suppose that the
Catholics would concedelhat which the Hon. Mover
of the question deemed to be the indispensable ac-
companiment of any concession to them. If the
House were desirous to collect the sentiments and
wishes of the Irish Catholics, publicly expressed, let
Mem consult the work of Mr. Keugh, to which he
had before alluded. Let them read• the following
passage :—" It is-time to lay the axe to the root of
-the evil. If you sincerely feel that loVe of England,
-a!id that loyalty to 'your King you are so for-
ward JO ptofrss : if,: in a word; your purpose
be to save Ireland Waite empire, let her-experience
an eternal divorce between religion and politics, in-
eluding the abolition of tithes, and the suppression
of every species of public, plunder upon pious pre-
' teuces. Let her see her corporate bodies, including
the UniverSity, annulled ; for they are all organiied
accomplices of old errors-, and of old vices,. against
eery motal, politiesl or physical improvement.—
Let her peasantry be freed fetal the pressure of
. rack-rent, not by inoperative statutes, but by bring-
ing markes fewer bidders for more drable land ; by
discouraging her grazing and by encouraging her do-
'nestle manufadures. Let the progressive accumula-
tion of her taxes be terminated." The whole ended
in an intimation of the necessity of dissolving
the Union. On this last point- the. Honourable
Gentleman opposite had vented a similar opi-
nion (Mr. Ponsonby replied in the negative.) •
—Fle- was glad to hear it. The Honourable Gentle
man, however, near him had certainly admitted the
possibility of such a measurein'the course of his ar-
guineet, Mr. Keogh, who professed to speak'the
suotinients of the Catholics of Ireland, did the same.
If once the right of the Catholics to demand were
admitted, he could not see how it would be possible
to stop short of giving them all they dernanded.••-,-
He saw no prospect of satisfying the Roman Ca
tholic claimants by any measure short of giv-
ing them a full establishment of their Church.
had always felt so ;- and he had al-
moiys argued so. Without therefore relinquishing
that gro• iid of objection, he had thought it sutli-
• cienCto state what tie had stated in opposition to
the Flom Mover, who, 'to 'preserve consistency,
otigat to vote against his owtamotion and not for it.
For it there _wt.re no wounds for the Hon. Mover's
belief that the Catholics would consent to make a
16tisfactoty arrangement, then the Hon. Mover, on
Ili; own principles should oppose the reterring of
kOtttion to a Committee, the result of witio,e
pi eeeeuings must be, , alter having-excited 'expecta-
tions which it was impracticable to gratify, to leave
the public mind in a stile much worse than that in
which it was toured. •
At. WHITBREAD accused the Chaneeller a the
Exchequer of bigotil and- intolerance ; deternicd
the warmth of expression in which General ivlnt.;
thew had delivered himself; and observed that
though some of the Members of the University
of Oxford had since chatiged their tone, their due-
' tion of Lord Grenville to be their Chancellor was
a proof that they were not unfriendly to -the Catho-
lic cause. The Chancellor of the Exchequer,
c aninued he, would be satisfied with nothing
short of having the' Pope secure. Why then not
employ same Catholic Priest to smuggle- over his
'Holiness, as we had attempted, to smuggle over
General Romano, and Ferdinand VII: But could
the reflecting- part Of the people of England be
entangled in the net of such sophistry ? They at
least could not brut remember that none of our fleets
could weigh anchor from Spithead, or none of our
armies could coulend successfully in the field, with-
out the assistance of Roman Catholics. They were
now under the banners of Lord Wellington in Spain,
and'under those banners they had gained the glo-
rious battle of Talavera. You send them to fight
your battles in Sicily and
.Spain; but when you
call upon them to join in thanksgiving for these vic-
. tories; you will nut allow them to address their God
in their own way. On the whole, however, he must
wish the Catholics to have patience; -for he saw a
change operating in their favour, a change, which
left no doubt in iris mind that their claims must soon
be acknowledged.
Air. CANNING had affirmed on a former, and he
would repe'at it on the present occasion, that he had
never pledged himself to any man, or to any set of
inen„ to assent to a motion like the present. His
opioioe had always been guided by the circum-
stances of the moment, as to the policy and 'ht.. im-
praeticaoda) of assenting to the claims of the Ca-
tholics. It was now acknowledged that so- clashing
and conflicting were the opinions of the two parties,
that it was impossible to
,reconcile them. It then,
the Catholics-could not agree among themselves,
, 'Why expect a greater degree of unanimity train the
Protestants. 'reose surely woo moved the question.,
Should state the grounds on which they would receive .
the boon which they solicited. The veto if wanted,
could have no force, unless the Pope was to give it •
his sanetion, but under the present circumstances of
Europe, we could not .go to him to obtain that sane-
titsn. "rhese and otaier circumstances, induced 'him
to wish the question to be postponed, uutil the Pa-
pal dignity could be revived 'and regained out of (tie
Lands of tee Ruler of France. The obstacleswhich
opposed the asquiescence in the present motion, did
not exist, as was iinagiped, in one quarter. It was
:very generally opposed by marly'deseiiptioes of the
(0111111Ullity._ Tne Catholics snoulu then wait for a
moment -of mutual concession and-reciprocal good
vt ill, atidnot attempt to extort a fat our from a re- ,
luctaut rival. , Weenever the favourable moment
arrived for admitting their claims, he should certainly
c foutid among the first to urge that admosion.
Mr: HERBERT, of Kerry, spoke with much
w:irinth, and at some lepgth, in favour of the ino-
lien, but the cries cif Cl...lestion, question, question !
were so loud and repeated, Ili& we could collect very
little of what fell froM the Hon. Gentleman.
Mr.HUTCHINSON rose amid loud and ,reiterated
cries of ` withdraw ! adjourn, &c. After .a
few
remarks on ihe fineness of the hour, he moved an
adjourrimeot'of the debate.
-'.ti snott cod s trsation followed .as to' the propriety
• of aoj,airning,the. Debate, in which Mt. W. Smith,
Mr. O'Hara,`' the Speaker, and Mr. Sheridan, par-
liciPated. The Ho se appeared disposed to adjourn
it, but some diffiCay arose .in fixing the day on
withal the bebate should be resumed, frucri the