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PARLI A MENT.

MUSE OF LORDS, JANUARY 26.

'The LORD CHANCELLOR took the Woolsack
*bout half-past three ' o'clock.—The oaths were
administered to Lord Dundas.--The House ad-
-journed at tour and resumed at five
CARE ANDTMSTODY OF THE KING'S PERSON.
The Earl of LIVERPOOL moved the Order of the
may for the second reading of the Bill for testing
the Care and 'Custody of tire King's Person in his
Royal Highness the Duke of York.
Lord Hot,Latin said, he did not rise to make
any objection to vesting the Care and Custody of
the King's Person in the Duke of York, the Le-
.gislature having on a former occasion derermined,
whether wisely or not was not now the question,
that the Care and Custody of the King's Sacred
Person should be separated from the administration
of the Executive Government ; and the late me-
lancholy event having rendered it necessary to
maite a provision for vesting the Care aed Cos-
untly of the King's Person in someone, he thought
three conhi be no possible objection to its being
vested in the Duke of Yolk. He thought, how-
ever, that coin e explanation was regn'si,e ni-mg
a part of .the Bill, in order not only to render
their proceedings consistent, but to render the
Bill intelligible even to themselves. A great ob-
jection with regard to the former Act for the tare
and Custody of the King's person was, that it
'Aided to eteate a kind of Imperium in linperio,
by giving the patronage of a larger establishment
to the person having the Care and Custody of the
King In the present Bill a sitniko clause was
i”trodnced, giving to his It oyd Irighness the
Duke of York the full power of the re:ni/al, no-
ntioation, and appointtnent Of the persons forming
the establishments about the King, with certain
exceptions therein meotioned. With the nature
or extent of the establishment now to be kept
about the King's Person their Lordships were
vt holly unacquainted, and in addition to the ob-
jection in point of principle, as in the former
case, of conferring the pittrova„te of such an Es
tablishmeut in any o her way titan upon the Ex
ecutive Government, there was the objection it
the present instance, that of the nature or anioun
of the Establishment the House were entirely ig
norant.

lie therefore trusted that the Noble

Earl who had nut odnced this Bill would give
some explanetion as to what was intended to be
dohe with regard to the Establishment in queition,
respecting which not a syllable of information had
yet beep,communicated to the House,
The Lail of LIVERPOOL said, he bad no hesita-

tion in giving the explanation called for by the
Noble Earl. In the first place, however, he must
'ontend, that the custos person of the King ought
to form the nature of the trust vested in him to
have the complete controul of the Establishment,
be it large or be it small (with certain limita-
tions, and subject to s Council), which of course
be could not have unless he had the power of re-
moval, nomioation, and appointment. With re-
mand to the point more immediately adverted to
by the Noble Lord, this Bill could of course have
no reference to it, being intended solely.to pro-
vide for the Care and Custody of the King's Per-
son. The Establishment would he regulated .by
another Bill, which, without making use of any
expression derogatory to the privileges of the
House, he might say it would be more convenient
should originate in the other House. Under
these circumstances, it was scarcely decorous in
him to allude to its intended provisions, but be
• might say, that it was the intention of his Ma-
jesty's Government to propose a reduction of that
Establishment. The objection, therefore, be
conceived of the Noble Lord was so far done
away, that the House were in possession of all
the information that was requisite to legislate
'upon the subject to which the Bill referred.
Lord HOLLAND still thought that further ex-
plana,ion was requisite. The Noble Earl had
argued, that be the Establishment more or less, the
patronage ought to be vested in the person bay-
jog the care and custotfy of the King ; but it was
not difficult to conceive that there might be persons
who, thinking even that a larger Establishment
was requisite, might be, notwithstanding, of opi-
nion that the patronage of that Establishment
might, upon general principles, rather to be vest-
ed in the Executive Government titan in the per-
son having the care and custody of the King.
But with regard to this Bill, the House was call-
ed upon to vest the patronage of an Establish-
ment, of the extent of which their Lordships were
entirely ignorant, not a particle of information
having been communicated upon the subject.
The Noble Earl, it was true, had said it was in-
tended to propose a reduction of the Establish-
ment ; hot still, before the House acceded to this
Bill, they ought to have infmniation in a more
detailed shape' as to the intended extent of the
):stablishment, which, without that information,
lie found a difficulty in acceding to the recogni-
tion of, as proposed in the present Bill.
The Earl of lAVRISPOOL maintained that it
would be impossible for any one to have a proper
controul in the care anti custody of the King's
person, unless such individual as the custos per-
sona had the power of the removal, nomination,
and,appointinent of the persons forming that
Establishment as provided in the Bill. It the
power of removal, nomination, and appointment
were to be vested in the Executive Government,
it would be much looter that the care and custody
of the King's Person should- also he vested in it,
as the controul of the Establishment, in' whom-
soever vested, ought to accompany the care of the
Icing's Person. As to the extent of the Esta-
blishment, it was perfectly clear that, under the
present Bill, it could not exceed the amount of
the present Establishment, and, therefore, so far
the objection of the Noble Lord fell to the ground;
but when that fact was coupled with the assurance
already given, that it was the intention of his Ma-
jesty's Government to propose a reduction of that
Establishment, there surely required no other
explanation to induce the passing of the pre-
sent Bill.

The Bill was read a second time, and commit-
ted tor to-molrow.

Adjourned till to-morrow (this dny).
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