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SOCIETY in SCOTLAND for PROP.A-
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TaLYMOUTIL—At a numerous and respec-
.i table MEETING of the FREEHOLDERS of the
BOROUGH of PLYMOUTH, held at the Exchange on Tues.
lay the 3d day of April, 1821, -
THOMAS BEWES, Esq. in the Chair; •

it was resolved unanimously:—
That the Freeholders of the Borough of Plymouth are im-
pressed with a strong conviction that the present state of the
Representation of the People demands the serious considera-
tion of the House of Commons.

That the FreehOlders of Plymouth, in addition to those
general reasons, which appear to them, in common with a
large part of the nation, to call loudly for a Constitutional
Reform* in the Representation, have peculiar reasons for
claiming the attention of the'House to this important subject.
That these reasons consist in their exclusion front the exer-
cise of the right of returning Representatives of this Borough
to Parliament, which their predecessors for ages enjoyed,
ei:her exclusively, or concurrently with the Freemen ; and in
their inability hitherto to obtain, from the appropriate tri-
bunal, an investigation of the grounds upon which they found
their claims to a restoratmo'of this invaluable right.
That the Freeholders continue to maintain a settled con-
viction that they cannot, without a dereliction of a duty they
owe to themselves, to their posterity, to the unrepresented
inhabitants of the town, and to their country, abandon the
prosecution of their claims, whenever an opportunity is afford-
ed of advancing. them -witha prospect of success.
That,, being of opinion that such an opportunity. is afforded
at the present time, they deem it expedient to present a
Petition to the House of Commons, praying the House to in-
stitute an inquiry into the present state of the Representa-
tion of the People, and, in 'the event of the extension of the
Elective Franchise, to afford relief to the Freeholders of this
Borough.
•. _ _

Thti the Petition, now read; founded on the preceding Re.
solutions, be approved and adopted; and that such Petition,
being engrossed, do lie on the ta,ile (at the Exchange) for the
signatares of Freehblders only of this Borough, until Monday
next, the 9th instant.

That the Right Hon. Lord John Russell be requested to
pre'cnt this Petition to the House of Commons.

That these Resolutions be published in such of the London
and Provincial Papers as the Committee shall deem fit.
That the Thanks of the Meet ing'are due to the Chairman
and pet manent Committee for convening► this Alerting. and
fur their unremitting attention to the interest of. the Free-
holdem.

That the Thanks of the Meeting be given to Dr. Wooll-
combe for the perspicuous elucidation of the Freeholders',
case which he has now given, and for the zeal and ability
with which be has brought, forward and supported the Reso-
lutions and Petitions now adopted.
THOMAS BEWES, Chairman.
The Chairman having clothed the Chairs
Resolved, that the Thanks of this :Meeting he given to him
for his able and judicious conduct in the Chair.
Plymouth, April 3, 1321.

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'When the course Of the River_ St. Lawrence and its com-
munications with so many. Great Lakes, and...such an extent or
country are taken into consideration, it naturally occurs to the
mind that a wide field for agricultural and commercial pur
suits is laid open tor the industry and support of Man ;---the
climate in some parts is unpropitious, but such as to form in
the inhabitants robust constitutions and hardy minds. Agri-
culture, the raising and feeding of stock, are yet in their in-
fancy, but public opinion seems to feel the importance of both,.
and is giving proofs of an interest in their prosperity. The
soil and'climate of Canada are unquestionably well adapted for
the raising of Hemp and Flax; these are not of delicate growth,
nor is much skill required in the management of them; they have
however been hitherto neglected, yet"roPe`walks are establish-
ed, and the materials the produce of foreign countriesimported
to be manufactured in this ;—the raising and manufacturing of
hemp may be looked forward to as a source of wealtleto Canada
at no very distant day, but a Society of judicious and practical
men might be of use in giving a stimulus to the business.
Lumber,
.provisions, flour and fish, are among the chief ar-
ticles of trade ,we send to the West India market, and such of
these as our neighbours can furnish we ouglit to encourage by
admitting them freely into this country, and particularly live
stock, provisions and grain;—it may be proper here to notice
in respect to the important article of Fish, that the character of
Quebec Herrings and Fish stands very low in the West Indies;
much of these articles exported from hence barely pay freight
and charges, and it is known to many Merchants in this City,
that fish shipped here is often in such an unsound state when
it reaches t market, as to be thrown into the sea in lots ; this
. branch of our export trade requires the most careful and judi-
cious inspection.-
The more freedom that is given to trade, the more advanta-
geous it will be, and as our assortments of commodities increase
the greater will be the demand.
Some individuals say that the receiving of wheat and flour
from the United States, ought not to be permitted; such a re-
striction would in its operation be a great injury both to the
farmer and citizen. American fine flour has been supplied to
the inhabitants of Montreal and other places last year at about
4i dollars per barrel :—Lower Canada wheat has brought the
farmer above ss. the minot, and was exported;' it is known to
millers who have manufactured Lower Canada wheat upon a
large scale, and kept correct accounts of the produce, that upon
an average for a number of years, something more than 6 mi-
nots will be required to the barrel of flour (fine) at this ratio, the
inhabitants in place of 225. 6d. as the price of a barrel of Ge-
nesee flour, would have been consuming Canada flour at the
rate of 325. or more, allowing 2s. as the price of the cask—
which by sparing the wheat growing in the country for exporta-
tion, gives an advantage or increase of profit to the habitant
equal to above 2 dollars on the barrel of flour ; so long as some-
thing like freedom in trade remains, wheat will always be worth
from one-to two shillings the minot more *hen exported in
wheat, than the produce of the wheat would be worth. in.flonr.
Canada wheat after being on the straw during a put of our se-
vere winters possesses 'that valuable consistence for mixing with
the new wheat in Scotland and the North ofEngland, which come
into the Bakers hands after harvest soft, and what is sometimes
called not kindly, this mixture affording that increase of weight
in'the bread, which is the bakers profit ; the more produce we
encourage to the Quebec market, the more customers we shall ;
have, the more trade the greater advantages and profit to the
country ; if we cannot meet an export demand, buyers will go
somewhere else; the farmer will then have nothing to de-
pend on but the consumption by the inhabitants, and the
country will languish into the situation, it was in half a cen-
. ,
tug back.
THE MOST ENLIGHTENED MEN ;11§T ENGLAND OF THE
PRESENT DAY AIdE ENDEAVOIJRINQ TO MAKE THAT
COUNTRY AN EMPORIUM OF TRADE, IN SHORT A WARE-
HOUSE FOR THE *HOLE TRADING WORLD, AND 'THE
NATION LOOKS UP TO. THE GREAT PRACTICAL KNOW-
LEDGE OF THE COMIV.IITTEE•OF PARLIAMENT ON FO-
REIGN TRADE, AND TO OTHERS OF EQUAL KNOWLEDGE*

AND CAPACITY, TO MATURE THE GREAT PLAN, AS THE
SAFEST AND SPEEDIEST WAY OF PUBLIC RELIEF,:this
measure WE certainly in sound policy ought to imitate, and if
WE do, property to a gteat amount now finding its way to
New Orleans will be brought to Quebec, froni the greater faci-
lity of communication, and superior advantages arising from
the Port of shipment.; this will in the first instance give freight
to our ships from Quebec, and after Wards from England to a
• market *. New Orleans commanding as it does the outlet of
the Mississippi and.other great rivers for thonsands of miles,
with every variety of climate and soil, (and it may be added in
a few years), also pioductiOns, will ere long. be; the .greatest
Commercial City in the. New World.---The emigration from the
New England to the Western States is considerable and those
•
settlers carry art and enterprise with them.-
The great State of New York by the skill and -enterprize of
the people, and the great improiements in Roads and Canals, is
rising fast into opulence ; that State generally, but particularly
the western parts, is so bountifully favoured with soil and cli-
mate, that there is no spot on the globe better adapted for grain
and stock, and as public encouragernent is held out to forward
improvements in farming, the natural consequence will be a
rapid increase of population with the means of subsistence and
comfort. The growing. crops on the banks of .the Nile of the
Genesee before harvest is perhaps the grandest sight that an
Agriculturist cambehold; the St. Lawrence is the natural out-
let for the produce of that country, and as improveinents pro-
gress there, let us give proofs of a disposition to cultivate a con-
nexion mutually profitable and desirable. Let us copy from
our neighbours what is good, and recollect that they are from
the same stock of ancestry with ourselves, and that many of the
first settlers in the several States were descended from and by
consanguinity connected with the best families in England,
either as regards honours, wealth or reputation. The bigotry
of the reign was the cause.of their emigration, and that spirit of
relioous toleration and political liberty which caused their fore-
fathers to Settle in ,the wilderness, as ab asylum for opinion, is
generally cherished by their posterity, who continue exemplary
in morals arid in conduct. IVe ought to take pride in the con-
nexion, LET US IMPROVE A FRIENDLY INTERCOURSE
WITH THEM, BY A FREE AND UNRESTRICTED TRADE,
WHICH DOUBTLESS WILL PROVE EQUALLY BENEFICIAL
TO 130TH.

Our Legislature is partly composed of men of intelligence,
who wilrbecome acquaintea with the real interests of the coun-
try : it has been often remarked, that with a view to commerce
and its accompair:ing prosperity on the improvement and
wealth of Canada, that it would be better if our Assembly were
composed more of Merchants, and not so'many Gentlemen of
the Robe ; but this ought not to be admitted in too unqualified
a sense ; the learned Gentlemen spend their whole lives in search
of truth, and will find out what is right ; and may realize the
maxim first embodied in language by the immortal Bacon, that
knowledge is power.
In all British Colonies it may, be noticed that there is more
intelligence to be fount in proportion to the whole population
than in the Parent Country, and early and sound education be-
gets a spirit of inquisitive enterprize which leads youth abroad,
and a recollection of ancestry oftentimes makes them look up.
It is • a pitiful condition to see so nr-leli time wasted in the

House of Assemlly inmalting and debating on two penny half-.
penny motions, and.caniassmg so barefacedly in the House for
support to these ;—every measure brought forveard ought to
have the good of the country in view, and rest on an indOpen-
dent, constitutional, and beneficial basis; let paltry and perso-
nal considerations at any rate lie dormant, until public busi-
ness of interest and magnitude is dispatched. The country
expect, every Member will acquit himself or. his duty to the
community.

Quebec; January, 1821. • • CANDIDIJS.
*We imagine that-the writer of this article in the Quebec Ga-
zette will, on the perusal of the late Report of the Conimitt.x
on Foreign Trade, not think so highly-of their sentiments in fa-
vour of a Free Trade-,-he will find their views applicable to the
Merchants only, and not at all calctilated to promote the gene-
ral interests of the Mother Country and its Cz.lonies.—We,shali
to receive the further opinions of this writer L., a subse-
quent Quebec Gazette., and. until then we shall defer tl:c
subject.—ED:T OR.

'MUSK ,OF LORDS, APRIL. IL t
CATHOLIC QUESTION. -
The Earl of DdtiOUGUATORE said he had seve-
ral Petitions to present on.the subject of the Bill
for the Relief of the Roman CatholicS, now be-
fore the House: He had been made the me-
dium of presenting Petition's to their Lordships
both from the Clergy and the Laity ; Brat he
wished it not to be understood that he coincided
with the opinions conveyed in those Petitions:
What his opinions were on the point to which
the present Petitions referred, he would state on
another occasion.' lie had heard no objection
from any body of Catholics to the first part of the
Bill before their Lordships, which provided the
granting of certain indulgences to the ,Roman
Catholics; but to the second part of the Bill,
which related to the securities required for those
indulgences, much dislike was entertained by
many Members of -the Roman Catholic persua-
sion. - The first Petition he-had to present was
from the Roman Catholic Clei-gy of Derry ; the
next was from the Roman Catholic Clergy of the
united Diocess of Waterford and Lismore ; and
a third was from the same description of indivi-
dualS in the city and county of Waterford. These
PetitiOners complained that the Bill professing
to afford them relief contained clauses to which
they could not conscientiously agree. The Ro-
man Catholic Clergy of the Diocess of Cork had
also protested against the clauses to which he
had alluded ; and he understood that the Roman
Catholics of Dublin, at a most respectable meet-
ing, had come to certain resolutions, in which
they expressed their concurrence with the general
principle of the Bill, btkt trusted that some of its
clauses would be modified by their Lordships.
The Noble Earl concluded by moving that the
Petitions be read.
Several other Petitions were presented against
the above-mentioned Bill, by different Peers.
The Marquess of LANSDOWN presented a Pe-
tition from the inhabitants of Gainsborough, in the
County of Lincoln, praying for a revision of the
criminal code. ,
A Petition of a similar kind froth the inhabi-
tants of Falmouth, in Cornwall, was presented
by Lord Cor,virdx.
COMMITTEE ON FOREIGN TRADE. •
The Marquess of Lsivsnowx, on presenting
the'Report of the Committee on Foreign Trade,
observed that he should confine himself to stat-
ing, in a very few words, the branches to which it
related. It related first to the Asiatic trade,
conducted under licenses from the East India
Company. Secondly to trade with the Asiatic
Islands, conducted under licenses from'the Board
of Controul, and thirdly to the trade with Can-
ton. The Report set forth' the advantages to be
derived from the further extension of facilities
under these three distinct heads, into which the
Asiatic trade was properly divided, and noticed
the objections urged against the proposition
by those who ditli.red 'from the Committee. The
Report pointed out how the facilities might be
Obtained, and how-secured against abuse. The
CoMmittee had kept in view the essential -inte-
rests of the East India Company, and pointed
out a ootirse- by which the alterations would be
prevented from interfering with that Company
and, abOve all,' in the important concern of the
Monopoly of the home consumption. They,
therefore, expected that the East India Company
would meet the question with the same liberality
that 'had influenced' them, and would consent
upon their parts tcia change which was likely to
be of the greatest advantage to the general inte-
rests of the country. There were parts of the
correspondence between'. the Company and the
Board of Controul which were not yet ready to
be. added' 'to the 'Report, but they would be
printed after Wards in the appendix. His -Lord-
shiP concluded with moving that the Report
shonld be laid on the table and be printed.—The
motion was agreed to.
GRAMPOUND DISFRANCHISEMENT BILL.
The Earl of CAnNAnVoN, in rising to move
that witnesses be called to the bar to give evi:
deuce on the Grampound Disfranchisement Bill,
said it was not his intention to make any observ-
ations on the general principle of the Bill. He
would merely observe that it differed in some
respectS from the Bill on the same subject which
came before the House last Session. :Theprin-
.cipal point of difference was, that the present
Bill not only proposed to take the elective fran-
chise 'from the Borough of Grampound, but
also to transfer it to another'place—an object
contemplated by the former Bill. The reason
on which this transfer was projected was that the
county of Cornwall already returned a very large
number of Members to Parliament. The Bill
hail been improperly compared to a Bill of Pains
and Penalties. He could not conceive. hdw the
Bill could be so designated, when it was known
that persons had been convicted of the offences
for which it was pretended they were now to be
tried. So far from wishing to' punish any indi-
viduals, their Lordships had passed a Bill to in-
demnify all those who should come forward to
give-evidence at the bar. In alluding to the
manner in which evidence was conducted at the
bar, his Lordship suggested that it would be
more convenient for the Counsel against the Bill
to wait until the examination of each witness was
concluded before they made any objection to
particular parts of the evidence, instead of inter-
rupting their Lordships in the middle of an exa-
mination—a course of
.conduct which had hitherto
been pursued.
Lord .A.BII.IiURTON hoped he :was not guilty of
r,•„v irregularity in objecting, at the present mo-
ment, to the principle of the Bill. When their

The Loan CHANCELLOR said it appeared' uni
intelligible to him how the evidence of the con-
viction of Sir Manasseh Lopes could he con'Sit
. dered a ground for passing this Bill. He could
not see how it was reZ7,oncileable with the rules of
evidence to receive copies of'tlie 'conviction of
individuals for %ny offence, as evidence -against
other persons who had no opportunity of show=
ing their innocence. He did not, for his own
part, intend to offer, any unnecessary interrupt'
tion during the examination of the witnesses.;
but he must object to the suggestion of the Noble
Lord on this subject.. All the evils which at,-
tended the progress of the important proceeding
which lately occupied the attention -of their
Lordships, were, in his opinion, compensated fo'r
by the. resolution which had been adopted of
adhering to the rules of evidence which existed
in the Courts of Law. If their Lordships shoula
decide that counsel should not be allowed to.ob-
ject to evidence in the usual way, he should be
obliged to put many questions to the witnesses,
which- would not be necessary were counsel
allowed to act aeon former occasions.
The Earl of HARROWBY suggested, that as it
was proposed to 'hear counsel against the Bill, it
might be proper for the House to appoint coun-
sel to argue in suppdrt of the Bill.
The'Earl of Rosstrx objected to the hearing
Of any
.Counsel whatever, as it would only be
the, means of postponing the examination. of the
witnesses. until after-the holidays.
The LORD CHANCELLOR replied, that the hear-
ing of Counsel -Would not have the effect which
the Noble Earl- dreaded, for their arguments
might he gone through in one night. His Lot:4-
ship -took this opportunity of observing that-the
.copy of the *conviction ~of Sir Manasseh 'Lopes
merely stated that that Gentleman had.. been -in-
dieted On-14 counts, Without particularising the
counts on which he had been conVicted,and thpie
on which.he had been acquitted. . •
Lord ERSKINr observed, that the other House
of Parliament had, by passing this measure,.doite
an• act from which the most beneficial eohse-
quenees would result. By such prOceedidgs
public confidence would be obtained ; and- he
.hoped their Lordships would not throw cut the
Bin, and thus deStroy. the hopes.he entertained:
The Earl of SHAFTESBURY moved that Counsel
be imniediately.ealled in. •
• The Earl of CARNARVON remarked, that those Lords who now declared this to be a Bill
of paini and Penalties would, not venture to pro-
Claim the Catholic Bill, when it'came Under cop-
sideration, a Bill for the removal of Pains and
'Pefialties., which deprived.millions Of 'their riOtts.
The.,LOin CwAscem,on :wished to• obsetie
that he now Maintained the' same.'opinion•as:'-he
had declared on 'a previous...O.c.casion,' when a
measure of ..this nature eamebefore. the House ;
but even if he had deviated from.thatOpittio:l,
,he should still have been consistent; for consis-
tency did not depend upon uniformity of opinion,
hut'in' being always right., *
The Karl Of CARNARVON felt anxious that,
with respect to a of this kind, nothing of a
judicial nature should be introduced in the cinfrsa
of the examination.

The' Alargness of LANSDOWN was decidedly
against the motion for calling in the counsel'•on
both sides, as the Bill was wholly of a remedial
nature':

The Earl of Ra.SLYN thought that Counsel
were', not necessary to argue at their Lordships'
Bar to prove the wisdom of a legislative measure.
The LORDCHANCELI:OII and the Earl ofLiu-
nrAtu4LE were favoarable to the motion for tall
lug .in'the..C6unsel.

. ,
-Lord 1-lot.L.txn, thought that if the Counsel
were called in, it would be recognizing the prin-
ciple that it was a Bill of Pains and Penaltils.
The LORD CHANODLLOR denied that it would
have that effect. ' ' . •

Earl GREY said that it was absurd to call La
Coupsel'for the Bill when there were no 'Peti-
tioners in favour of it. '

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‘ ..
After a fO-. words .from the•LOiD CHANCEL.-
Loft, in ere ' .:ion it was ordered that Cophsel
onrhoth Si .
.4.! called in to:morrow, to proceed
.-.1...t .ex a ?iiation of witnesses.—. Adjourned.
• hr .4. I : . ... . '

, •
. OSF. OF COMMONS.
The Hou4e was engaged a considerable time upon a Ballot
to form a Committee for trying the merits of the Callineton.
Election, The Members ultimately appointed
- John Illaberly-, Esq. Right Hon. Sir W. Rae, C. K. Tynte,
EN.; W. H.•Ashurst, Esq. ; J. Ellis, Esq. ; A. Farquharson,
Esq.'; James Wemyss. Esq ; J. H. Smith, Esq. ; Lord. Vi-
scount Stopfbrd ;..O'Grady, Esq. ; • C.. Brownlow,• Esq. ;
Hon. T. Knox ; John Bent, Esq. ; C. W. Wynne, Esq.,; yv.•
Courtenay, Esq. • •
The Committee were sworn at the table and retired. .

.•
IRISH Boßobilifs77-7
Mr. LAIIIBTON presented a Petition from an individual in-
habitant of Sligo, complaining of the mode of election which
prevails in many of the Irish Boroughs, where the whole in-
fluence rested in the Corporate Bodies of such Boroughs. •
Mr. S. COOPER w__hed to know who the individual Was
who had signed this Petition.
Mr. LAMBTON said, the name of the Petitione: was T.
Flan,aghan.
Mr. S. COOPER said, this person was a curious and eccen-
tric character..

Mr. LAMBTON said, he knew nothing of the Petitioner;
the Petition was sent to him by letter ; he had shewn it to se-
c eral Irish friends, who said the statement it contained was cor-
rcct ; and as it was coached in terms highly respectful to the
House, he had considered it right to present it.
Mr. S. RICE supported the prayer of the petition, and ex-