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The Report of the Committee of Supply was
brou,;ni up, and the resolution for grapting a sum
of IG.),000l. in aid of Queen Anne's Bounty was
agreed to.

OD t e Sllggeltioll of the CHANCELLOR of the
EXCHEQUER, the other resllutions were postponed,
in order_ no wake some alteration.
• The Vote of Credit Bill was read a second time,
and comrnittenor 10-morrow.

The Hou,e then resolved itself into a Committee
of Supply.
Mr. WHARTON moved a resolution for voting
a SUM of 10341. ss. to Jam-s Read, Eig, to pay
Special Constables for services during the late dis-
turbances.

Mr. WHITBREAD wished to know, as great corn.
Plaints had °uohe forth respecting the small amount
of the Ctv,lPower, what number of Constables were
actually Cll plc)) ed.
Mr. Seereiary RYDER had no objeEtion to furnish
the account, pr ,vided it could be done consistent
with the public safrty. In order to satisfy the Hon.
Gentleman, he could state, however, that the whole
of lite Civil Power was called out, special Constables
Were sworn in, and indeed every step taken which
could tend to preclude the necessity of resorting to
the ce of a !notary force.
Mr. WHITBREAD could not see that any in-
convenience could result from laying au account
on the, table. Besides; it wonkl serve 10;)ppease the
Public ;nirid ; for the fact was, that both the 'Dili-
t3rY and civil power wee called out in the same
!r.irrient. It toeretore was desirable to shew that
the necessary steps had been taken in the office
of Iti,bt Honourable Gentleman to secure the
tranqu, i.y of ,he :own.
Mr. Secretary RYDER again observed, that he had
oojectino to stale the toial humber of special
e'iustables, 1).1 must objea to specify the particular
districts, becaut-1 it wouid lead to endiess inconve-
nience. The military power, notwithstanding what
the Honourable (7e,ntlemau ad, arced, was
called „tit only a day and a half previous to the
sv, earing in of special Constables, and those Con-.
'stables were always at their posts during the late
urbance.

Air. C. WiNNS asked at what period the military
aElually were called out.
Secretary RYDER stated, that the order for
arrestin, Sir Francis Burdett was made on the l'hurs-
40Y. 071 the Friday morning the Scrjeant at Arms
was told that he. ..,ould find the Civil Magistrates at
Secretary of State's Office, and that upon appli-
cation to them he c,,uld obtain any assistance, bosh
civil and inilitary, if he stood in treed of it. The
latter was resorted to as the better chance of pre-
the peace of the metropolis.
:Ir. C. WYNNe observed, that it was extraordi-
nary the riots had confirmed so long. It could only

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Lin liuputa4fo tlarkwatit of the chili power in the first
instance to quell it.
Mr. Secretary RYDER replied, that both the Ma.
giatrates and Constables were in attendance on
Thursday and Friday, as far as his recollection went
as to the laa.

Mr. WilirgitEAD contended, that when Sir John
Anstruther's house was attacked, there was not a
single constable to check the persons committing
the outrage ; the same was the case with respect
to the attack on Lord Castlereagh's and other houses;
he therefore could not consent to vote the sum now
asked for special constables.

Mr. Secretary RYDER observed, that they were
at their post night and day, the Guards were al,o
doubled, and in that every means was taken to pre-
serve the peace.
Mr. WHITREAD still objected to the vote. The
Constables and the Guards, he observed, might be
disposed of, and Government now wished to dis-
pose of 10341. but he must vote against it.
Mr. Secretary RtDER declared, that he was at his
post. Reports were brought him every hour of the
state of the town; that on the evening kely-ri these
constables were on duty, it was quiet ; at least there
was no rioting.
Mr. WHITBREAD thought' the reports brought to
the Right Hon. Gentleman were false, (or on that
very evening it was, that the attack on Sir John An-
struther's. house was made.

Sir JON NEWPORT wished the number of c.in-
stables allotted to each district shoUld be published,
and to knoix who the Special Magistrates were, be-
cause the residence .of Lord ~(loalereagli, of Sir
John Austruther,.and of seveial others, were at-
tacked on the ,saine night, and the Civil Power were
not to be found.

The CHANCELLOR of. the PaCHEQUER was of
opinion the Right Hoa. Baronet would not gain his
objets by the information he aske,l; the kof
destruction alluded to was so r Vaal it was not
in the power of the constables to stop it, it was ef-
feeted in ten minutes. Did tn.- n. Baronet mean
that the constables caul • I disperse a mob of the ..!e,
scription alluded to. Did the Hon. Gentleman
(Mr. Wynne) wean to say, tliat supposing an eltc-
non was to be held, and a mcih to column :WAS of out-
rage, :oat th.-r, were any usesns to re,ress them
without first reading the proclamation?--ihe mili-
tary could not ad urvii that had been done. If
the Gentlemen opposite wished for the production
of any papers on the subject, they might on a sub-
tequeut day, but at any rate it was but ril,ht that
the persons who hid contributed their aid in restor-
ing tranquility should be remunerated,
r. C. WYNNE insisted that with respect to out-
rages, various atts had been committed so as to
w.irrant the civil power to ad long before the mili-
tary were called upon.
General TARI.F.TUN said that the peace efficers
were assembled at the G,oue•ster ()use, the
outrages were committed in B, riieley square, yet
not one tif these ge, tlemen ventured on, to s.op
the rioters, who were composed principally of
boys.

Mr. WHITBREAD COUld consent to vote the
money, notwithstanding all that he heard in Livour
Qt the cthistAbh,s. He had no doubt the Right
Hon. S,cre.ary was, as he had stated, at his post,
bu• nevertiieless be was invisible to the Serjeant at
Arms., •

Mr. D. GIDDY had known a great•deal of mob,
and• was convinced that when, as on this occasion,
they w ere assisted by the most active portion of the
population, it was then lime 0 call in stronger aid
than the civil power. He was as great a friend to
humanity and liberty as any one, but still he thought
that the sooner a mob was repressed the better. It
was very easy for Gentle Men to say that Government
anticipating this or that shonid be prepared and
quell 4 disturbance at its first rising, but perhaps if
those Gentlemen, who now exclaimed against ahem,
were in power, they would have been as ready to
spare the effUsion of blood until the List moment, in
hopes that peace might be restored without strong
measures. If Government had acted wrong in the
opinion of some G• mlemen, they at least had
the opinion of a large portion of the country to
the contrary.
Mr. SIMEON drew a comparison between the
Riots of 1780, and the late disturbances, and com-
plin3ented in warm terms the conduct of his Ma-
jesty's Ministers, which had subdued the disposi-
tion to riot.

After a few more observations from Mr. Whit•
bread, the Resolution was put and agreed to.
Some conversation arose on a Resolution for
granting 12,0001. as compensation to the Commis-
sioners for the Redemption of the Laud Tax. It
was objeatd by Mr. Calcraft that the Report was
unsatisfactory, and that Lord Glenbervie, one of the
Commissioners, did not seem entitled to an allow-
ance of fool. per annum for ten years for h►s ser-
vices. He admitted that they might be beneficial ;
but then the Noble Lord held another office.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQHER and the
ATTORNEY-GENERAL defended the graniiand spoke
in terms of respect of the abilities and assiduity of
the Noble Lord.

The Resolution was then put and carried.
Mr. FOSTER then proposed that a sum of 10,0001.
be granted to the Trustees and Commi•sioners of the
First Fruits in Iruland, for rebuilding churches, cha-
pels, and providing glebes and glob;;-houies for the
clergy in that kingdom.

Sir Joitty NEWPORT Objened to the grant; be-
cause, if a fair valuation had taken place of the liv-
ings of the higher Clergy, a fund was appropriated
by the benevolence of Queen Anne, amply sufficient
for the purposes. It had Lot, however, since that
reign been made productive. He entered into va-
rious statements to shew in what manner it could be
rendered so.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER trusted,
that because at some future period a fund might be
made procludi%e, which at present was not so, that
therefore the Right Hon, Bart. would not objet to
giving to the Church what it so much stood in need
of. With respect to the valuation, he rather thought
'it would be more desirable to abolish the fund than
to increase the valuation.

Lord MILTON approved of the grant, but corn-
plained that the Papers on the subject were not.suf-
ficittnly
Sir JOHN NEWPORT declared his intention of
bringing the subject again before Parliament early in
the ensuing Session.

Mr. FOiTEII protested againsi doetrines such ns

haq,been follh by the itigbt on naTopet,vath
resped to increasing the valuation on livings, .‘,
After some timber observations from Colonel
Bastard,
,;\,lr.. Foster, and.Sr J. Newport, in expla•
nation,ie'a resolutloti w.,s agreed to.
Tire Howie then ti*urneo,.and the report was or.
• dered to be received to-morrow. ,

BE I: KS!! 111111(),If. .
Mr. C. n;.--•ciated a .Petition from. the
Gentry, Clergy, qn.i T..,';ecliolders of Berkshire, pray-
ing for. Parliarne:o'.)ry Deform. •
The Petition Living been brought up and read, it
I was, or. the motion of Mr. C. Dundas, ordered to
lie ou the table. •

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Mr. C. DUNDAs then presented another Petition
from the saute County, pr4iog for the release of
Mr. Gale ;Jones and Sir Francis Burdett, es hating
been impriSoned against law. The Petition having
been read, •
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER With great
pain objected to the Petition being lid on the table,
because it contained a distinct aliegatiGn that a vote
of that House had done an ',jury to the people. He
therefore thought the House could not, cousistently
with its :,wn dignity receive it.
Mr. WnITBREAn was astonished, that the Right
• Hon. Gentleman should refuse to receive the Peti-
tion, which was not in the least indecorous to the
House. Was the averment that the House had
• done wrong to be taken as .an insult ? If so, then
Petitions could never be received. It was ridiculous
to suppose, that :louse was irifdilible and never
could err. He we.: re,tist;',Oi the people had a
right of stating any Ind the Petitien
now presented contaieed !wetly the statement of
what the Petitioners conceived a grievance, and
therefore ought to be received.
J. NEWPORT thought that the petition was
• couched in the most respectful terms; if it was re-
jected, he did no know in what form the people cf
Englund were to approach the House.
Mr, Sec. RynER was at a loss to know on what
point the Hon. girt. view-d the petition ; he could
not conceive any thing more disrespectful, nor how
the House could receive a more poipant insult, and
on this ground the petition Ought to be rejected.—.
He requested the House to cuntrJst the conduEt of
Gentlemen on tue opposite side of the House yes-
terday, when they reeetied the Gloucester Petition
with one voice, to that which they pursued to-day. If
the House were to cons.:nt to receive this petition, it
would be acknowledging the justice of a reproach
upon themselves.
Mr. BROUGHAM was StlrpiiSed at the observa-
tions of the Right Hon. Gentleman, which were
nothing short of tehing the people that they had no
right to petition.- Of this meeting no one had said it •
was disreputable—no one said it consisted of pick-
pockets, or that it was in the neigebourhood of
Hounslow. The incon,,istency ofsutfering a similar
petition from the same place to lie on the table, and
to refuse this was monstrous. He apprehended
there was no possible ground for rejeding it. With
respect to the Gloucestershire Petition, it contained
nothing hut mere allegations without proofs. He be-
seeched the House not to treat the country with cold
negled 5 it could not receive any other petition. if it
was torcjed this.

Sir SAMUEL ROMILLY observed, that the question
demanded the must attentive consideration. In the
present situation of allitirs, the House would be ob-
iously wrong,' if it was to rejea the petition of a
large and respe&ahle county, on the grounds, or ras
ther, the pretext of disrespea. If it were rejeted,
it must be imagined that Ministers %;ere determined
to stand against every petition. If it were said, that
because injuries are complained of, it mus. be re-
jected, the House on this principle could never re-
ceive another petition, not even against a Private
Bill. With repel to the Gloucestershire Petition'
the Right Hon. Gentleman carded to an excess the
worn out argument of recrimination ; he did not
look about him when he said that this side of the
House rejected the Petition from Gloucester with
one voice. There we-ic many who voted in the
minority, and likewise rally of the Right Ho-
nourable Gentleman's friends who voted in the
majority. As to his vote on the question, it was in-
dependent, and given with as clear a conscience as
the Right Hon. Gentleman ever voted, who seemed
to be the depository of the dignity of the House.—
He thought that at least 24 hours should be given to
the consideration of the subject ; he therefore, if it
was not suggested by snot her, would move that
the debate should be, adjourned till to-mot row.
Mr. STEPHEN was confident that the vote of the
Learned Gentleman on yesterday' was perfe6tly con-
sistent with his usual character. He was sure it
was most conscientious ; for although he generally.
voted differently from him, he was for the rejeCtion
of the Petition yesterday, and exa&ly on the same
grounds on which he would vote for the rejection of
the present one, which he considered to be corn-
pletely parallel to it. The Gloucestershire Petition
was refused, because it did not lead to any useful
result; but seemed rather for the purpose of grati-
fying a malicious and improper feeling; the present •
be conceived to be the same case. He would not
believe that these petitioners came forward with a ;
real expeaation of being heard. After the circum- !
stances which have occurred, and the adions in
consequence brooght against the Speaker, could it
be expected that the House would now comply, and
erase from its Journals the orders and proceedings so
shortly to be subjected to investigation ? He be-
beved that this Petition, like callers of the same
class, was for the purpose of insulting the House,
however it might be worded, for the purpose of
keeping alive the clamour which had been raised for
the worst of purposes. When the question was ar-
gued as if there was really an intention of over-
tarowing the right of petioning, Gentlemen dienot
seem to understand the nature of petitions. His
Learned Friend opposite must know, in the case of
addresses to the Court of Chancery, the Keeper of
the Seals has a right to commit for contempt of
Court. He might recollect the case of Mrs. Crowe's
Pamphlet, who, along with her Printer, were coot- -=
mioed by the Chancellor, Lord Erskine, to the Fleets_
Prison without a trial by Jury. The House, could
not be content to suffer insults to be lad on its table.
—He could not hut feel some indignation when he
was told that innocent blood was shed, in conse-
quence of the ads of Ministers. He denied it ;
blood was shed, in consequence of the most audaci-
ous and unjustifiable opposition, in consequence, he
would not say of the democracy, as he had the

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greatest reaped for! that pert of the .CorittitutiOtii but.
in cowequence of jaeobinism, and in point of intett•'
lion, the most serious opposition. With respect
what had been said of his Right. Honourable kriendi
as being the depository of the dignity of the E10U.93*
be conceived t ery Member was so, Consider-.
tog the spirit which had gone abroad, he believed
such petitions were for no, other purpose than to.
'hew the people of England how far the HOUSC
could be insulted. He called on the House not to
snfier it to lie .on the table, as it could not be pro-
dull** of any good.
Lord MLTON si id that,he felt quite alarmed at the
rejection of the Petition. • He did not know what
the tight of petioning was, if the subject had it nol
in his power to co 'plain of grievances. He thought
the lovivileses of the House to be high and unassail-
able, but he did not know of any spirt in the coun-
try which tended to injure or abridge them. It he
thought like the !tight Honourable Secretary, 1.1
should now feel sore en this question, as lie had
voted tor the co:nu:4lra of Sir F. Burdett and M.
G. Juries. If it was the right of the subjefit to pse•
sent pc:ollms, s tee duty of the House to re-
oeive them.

Mr. EARIi,\N that the Petition might not
be rejeatd,
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Mr. LocE,HA7,I* thought, that the House„ should
rejixi all petii,,oi w!iic!) were worded 111 itnpro-
per mani,cr. The prcsont be conLeived to be es 4
tretnely ;:h!_l;t:u4 point of substance, inasmuch :is
it ehari.:(-,1 the lious,.! with a great political crime, the
assuwpri..uof arbitrary Sorne allusions bad
been wade to a bid qiist,ng in the country;
be believed than a .:isle.: discontent did exist, but wai
confident, that tue grcanr rut of the p-opie were
sound, and viiihed wily for a lair and moderate Items
form. -

Mr. C. Dttrwss stated, that the meeting Was nu.
merous m; !'d tespeclane. The tntemperant aof the
petition he excused on the grounds Of the ignorance
of the eons, tint-nce ai,d the public' spirit of the
county. In support of his a,sertion in regard to the
re,pedabi;ity of the Meetiog, he need only mention
the name of Su J. Throgmort on, who trio,.e.l the pe-
tition. _the que,tion is now simply, whether the
House is, to draw up pe itions for its Constituents to
lay on the table.

S;rJamcs HALL said that the imputat;on of Mi.
nisters being the, cause of shedding innocent blood
was totally unfounded ; it originated in what he
would call the boyish mutiny of the Hon. Baronet
now in the Tower. He conceived that this petition
was a gross insult, and ought to Ee rejected.
Mr. VANSITTART Withesi that the petitien might
be read again.
The Clerk then read it.

Mr. VAN,ITrAnT observed, that the accusation
of shedding blood could not be applied to the flou,e.
He did not vote for the committal of Sir F. Burdett;
but, he thought that the subsequept condutt of the
lion. Baronet was an et,couragernent to the rnis
chiefs which ensued.

Sir T. TURTON said, that if the House was to re.
fuse this Petition, it would give the signal'of re-
je6tion to all others.

me. You would have been disposed to lean to.
teceiving the Petitions from the people; but since
he had heard the Petition under cofisideratieu read,
he was sorry to say that his opinion of it was, that it
was intended as an insult to the House. Entertain-
in e this °purism, therefore, he did not think it ought
tole suftred to lie en the table. The rejection of
the Petition besides .would not be any injury to the
Petitioners, because they might next day present
another petition for the same object, but couched in
decent and respectful language. While he consider-
ed it the undoubted right of the subject to pe-
tition, he must contend that it was consonant
to the practice of the best times that such pe-
titions as were -presented to that House, or to
the Sovereign, should be drawn up with delicacy
and not made the vehicles of insult and opproteum.
If that opinion of his -was correct, and contained the
true rule to jndge by, the quest;oa really was what
the petition stated. Here he must express his
regret for the mistaken notion which bad gone
abroad .relative to the privileges of that House, and
which had led to the results they had lately witness--
ed. It appeared to him cat all knowledge of the
laws, or of the constitution of the country, bed
vanished from the minds of a great part, though not
the greater part, of the people of this country. Was
it at this day that they should have to debat,:• con-
cerning the Privileges of Vehement ? We r, they yet,
to learn that these pri, lieges were a part of the coin—
mon law of the land ? Could it be doubied't hat it was a
part of the er;vilege of that House to commit for
contempt ? The time, he trusted, was not far dis-
tant when that question would be decided by,the
best authority that could determine it, and e hem
every doubt upon this important subject would be
set at rest for ever. With refereuce to all that had
occurred on this point, he happened to have oad
a considerable share, in having recommended te
tire House the commitment of Gale Jones. On
the best consideration which. he had since b err
able to bestow upon the subjet.i, he was consciiet-
tiously of opinion that in the part he had taken he
was right ; and t hat iu the course the House had
adopted, it was justified according to the soundest
principles of the Constitution of Parliament, as uu-
d,irtrood in the very best periods of our history.
This he was persuaded no Member would venture
to deny. Gentlemen would bear in mind that the
question for the commitment of John Gale Jones
was agreed to in a House not very thinly attended,
nemine contradicente. It had been said, and (latch
insisted upon, it was not prudent to take such a step,
or to exercise the privilege upon such an occasion.
To this all he had to say was, that appeared to him
a proper time for the House to make its stand, a d pet
a stop to that flood of insult and abuse, which threat-
ened, at no very dis.aut period, to overthrow the au-
thority and foundation of Parliament. It might then
be asked, why he had not brought the question under
the consideratien until his own name was introduced,
coupled with that of another Member (MieWind-
'tam) now unfortunately no more, but whose loss
Gill be ever deplored by all those who .are,friends to
the privileges of that House, and the constitutional
liberties of the country, who are enemies to the
phrenzied speculations, that have so much of late oc-
cupied the imaginations of N ild theorists and limo.
vators. It was not however without, the concur-
rence of that eminent person that be had taken the
course that he had resorted to. He had consulted
him, and liad his OnCtion for every step he trod