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at Newcastie, for the Cup, where he beat Marian Ram,: y and
• Paiian, but then it shouid be b•irne in mind that Marian Ramsay
had been running all over the country, and consequently wa: very
stale ; and that Pagan is so uncertain a horse that no line can be
got hy him. According to the account in the paper, W►nesour
only won by halt a length ; now, I thiiik if he if good enough to
win such a race as this, he ought to have disposed of his two op-
ponents much easier. The stable, lam told, mean winning with
him, and it is rumoured that Mr. Bed has told Heseltine that he
• should remove his horses from him unless he won the LlverpoL.l
Cup. This may be consolatory to his backers, who are numerous
! and fond, but I am not one of them, and do not expect to see him
follow up his success at Newcastle. Had not Corrsnna been run-
ning so at Worcester, I should have thought his chance (with
Sat 61b) by no means to be despised ; as it is, 1 am afraid he has
had too much taken out of him to have a prospect of getting in
front here. Mr. Mostyn's Milton, 4 yrs, 6st 121 b, upon the
strength of his running at Chester for the Cup, where, with fist 81b,
he ran third to Intrepid, fist 61b, has been strongly and deservedly
supported. He Is a fine, wiry colt, with a good turn of speed, is
very nicely weighted, and will be very near winning. In fact, I see
nothing that should beat him unless it is Lothario. This horse, it
will be recollected, by the assistance of Nat's riding, and with
Bst 11b, beat Inheritress and a large field for the Ascot Stakes. In-
heritress subsequently won the Northumberland Plate with little
diff►culty, thus enhancing the importance of Lothario's victory.
This horse only came into the market on Sunday, when 12 to 1
was taken with avidity about him ; he is now at 8 to I, and will at
starting be a still better favourite. His party are very
sanguine of winning with him, and if jockeyship can do
it, why I think we shall seem him chronicled as the
winner of the Liverpool Cup of 1545. Trueboy, Sat 21b,
is well in, but is too uncertain a horse ever to back; there are
few horses of the same class as Trueboy finish so badly as he does:
if his temper is not disturbed he will run very forward. Mickey
Free must have vastly improved to be able to win with 7st 12Ib
on his back. The Best of Three's shoulder being put out, has put
his chance for this race out also. However, as his owner has God-
frey, Lightning and Trueboy to run for him, he cannot very much
cry out against Dame Fortune. It is a somewhat singular fact
that when Dawson wins this race, as he has done this last two
years, like Mr. Forth, when he wins the Derby, he always does it
with a►► outs►der. In 1843 Pompey was all the rage, and yet
Aristotle, with 10 to 1 against him, beat him easily.
In 1844 Aristotle was the favourite at 3 to 1, and yet he suc-
cumbed to the Era, about which horse 6to 1 went begging. This
year, perhaps, the same result may follow, and Rowena or Light-
ning be found superior to the present favourite of the stable, True-
boy. Godfrey's running at Worcester was very creditable to him,
but I think has destroyed his chance of this race. He has been

running a great deal lately, and Ido not like a stale horse for a
great race like the Liverpool Cup. Rowena is much fancied in
some quarters, and many have taken long odds about her winning
this and the Goodwood Stakes. I consider her about as
likely to win the former as the latter race. Last year she
won the Cleveland Handicap at Doncaster, with sst 81b on her,
beating by a neck Semiseria, Bst 61b, the Pride of Kildare,
Est 21b, and the Knight of the Whistle, 9st. This is the only race
she has ever won, and as the distance was only a mile, I do not
consider I should be doing right in recommending my readers to
back her. A good deal of money has been got out of the Iron-
master by parties who were fortunate enough to get the " office"
about him, and I have no doubt his withdrawal will give great dis.
satisfaction. He is reserved for Goodwood, where his chance for the
Cup is by no means a bad one. Everton and Brunel Ido not like.
The Dog Billy is only a plater. Warp, in spite of his recent victories
in Ireland, I will not have, because Irish horses never run well
immediately on their crossing the Channel—Harkaway to wit. The
remarks I applied to Godfrey will serve also for Little Hampton.
Nereus, 1 hear, will not go. Extravaganza, from pedigree, I should
imagine could not stay the distance. None but an April Noddy, I
should think, would back the horse of that name ; and Ambition's,
Duke of Kent's, and the Albemarle filly's chance, I should pro-
nounce hopeless.
After a careful consideration of the merits of all the horses en-
eaged in this 'peat rave, I fix my faith either on Lothario or Milton,
with a slight preference for the former.

To the Derby Handicap there are 52 subscribers, and as nothing
is got by not running, we are sure to have a large field for it. It
would be absurd, without the slightest know,edge of what will
run, to pick out the winner; but presuming Semiseria, Sweetmeat,
The Pride of Kildare, Sir Ab4trupus, and Best Bower logo. I should
think they would compose the front rank at the finish, and that out
of that small lot I anticipate for once seeing Semiseria first.
The Frce Handicap will afford a nice race between Sir Abstrupus
and Beaumont; and if the former does nut go for the Derby Han.
dic.ap, I think he can just win—at all events, it is sure to be a good
race between the two.

On Friday we have the Liverpool St. Leger, which will be de-
prived of a great deal of its interest by the withdrawal of Mentor.
I never had an idea that this horse would start here, as encugh of
his capabilities has been disclosed at Newcastle. Certain it is, his
defeat would materially alter the St. Leger betting, and his not
running will have the effect of keeping him firm in the market.
For this race I expect to see at the post Miss Elie, Pantasa, Ly-
curgus, or Vaudeville, Fitzallen, Ould Ireland, and The Baron.
At Tattersall's yesterday they took as little as 6 to I about Pan.
tasa, whose chance, judging from his position in the Derby, I
should think was a first.rate one. And I fancy myself he will be
found the winner. But for the objection I have previously made
against Irish horses running on their arrival in England, I should
have thought Ould Ireland a dangerous animal to be against. The
Baron, at the last Curragh meeting, won the second class of the
Madrid from Highwayman, a colt that has a good deal of running
about him, but I fancy he will find the di►tance too far for him on
this occasion.

The Grosvenor Stakes has fourteen subscribers, and I have no
hesitation in awarding them to Sweetmeat, with the pleasant weight
of 7st lib on her. The Cure and Fitzallen will no doubt run
forward, but can never catch Mr. Hill's mare.

The Stanley and the Bentinck Testimonial Stakes I say nothing
about, not having the entries for the former or the weights for the
latter by me.

At the Corner yesterday there was some spirited Derby betting,
and the "Squire" created no little sensation by taking 15.000 to
2.25 about his colt King Charles, for the Derby, and consoled him-
self by saying that if he did .ot win he could always get 3001. for
him as a hunter. That the " Merry Monarch " may not be so de-

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PAR,LIAiIdEIi- T.

HOUSE OF i,DRDS. Jirlf, 15.-

Their Lordships apt shortly after Five o'clock.
The High Constahles 11.11 passed through Committee, and
was ordered to btu read a tturd time on Thursday.
• . .

The Constables Works (Ireland) Bill also' went through
Committee, and was ordered to be red a third time on
Thursday.
LANDLORD AND. TENANTS BILL.

Lord AIONTEAGLE wished to ask what were the inten-
tions of the Government in respect to the Landlord and Tenants
(Ireland) Bill, now before a Select Committee of their Lord-
ships' House ?
Lord STANLEY replied that, in pursuance of a recom-
mendation which would be made by . the Select Committee, it
was the intention of Government to introduce several amend-
ments into the Bill, and he hoped to lay the Bill so amended on
the table of the House, but, he did not intend to press it
through its stages in the present session.
PRIVILEGE.

Lord BROUGHAM presented a petition from Mr. Harlow,
a tobacconist, of Leicester-square, complaining that he was not
aware in bringing the action against Mr. Baker, for words
spoken before a Committee of their Lordships' House that he
was committing a breach of privilege, and therefore he humbly
expressed his extreme regret in having committed the breach,
and humbly prayed that their Lordships would be pleased to
pardon the offence and order his discharge. No greater con-
trition could be expressed by any persan. He did not know
what the privileges of the House were, and, being ignorant of
them as well as themselves, he fell into the offence of breaking
the unknown law. He had taken the proper course by express•
ing contrition, by discontinuing the action, and he had, there-
fore, to move that he be discharged, on payment of the fees.

The LORD CHANCELLOR was not aware that his Noble
anti Learned Friend was acting as counsel f,r the person whose
petition he had presented. lie was in favour of granting the
prayer of the petition.
Lord CAMPBELL took the same view of the subject as the
Noble and Learned Lord. It would be hard to make the peti-
tioner responsible for the sarcasms of his Noble and Learned
Frier d.

The LORD CHANCELLOR then put the motion, and it
having been carried, John Harlow was called to the bar. The
Noble and Learned Lord then said—You have been guilty of a
breach of the acknowledged privileges of this House in bringing
an action against Thomas Baker, for words which were spoken
by him in the course of giving evidence before one of the Com-
mitties of this House. For that offence you have been com-
mitted to custody. You have presented a petition in whi, h you have
expressed contrition, and have given orders to discontinue the
action. Their Lordships are disposed to deal leniently with
you, and it is therefore ordered that you be discharged out of
custody upon paying the fees.
The prisoner was then discharged.
Lord BROUGHAM said, a junior Law Lord and a junior
Peer having, like a young recruit, reproved him for his sar-
casms, he would take care not to fall into the same error now.
The Noble and Learned Lord then read a petition to the same
effect from Peter Tate Harbin, and concluded by a similar
motion, which was carried, and the prisoner was called in and
discharged after a similar admonition.

Lord CAMPBELL gave notice that, early in the ensuing
session, he should bring in a Bill to facilitate the stopping of
actions arising out of the privileges of the House.
W LOTTERIEBILL.
_ .

On the motion of Lord STANLEY, this Bill passed
through Committee.
NEW HOUSES OF PARLIAMENT.
Lord BROUGHAM said, on Tuesday next, he should move
an address to her Majesty, with respect to getting into the new
Houses of Parliament next session.
SPANISH TREATIES.

The Earl of CL A R l-.NDON said that in asking their Lordships
to concur in the resolution which he had the honour to propose
it was necessary for him to assure their Lordships, and more
particularly the Secretary of State fur Foreign Affairs, that
he was not interested by any party motive. He thought that
his Noble Friend himself would do him the justice to be-
lieve that no consideration whatever, and no expec-
tation of any political adva;:tage, however well
founded, would induce him to treat this question with a
spirit of partiality. Whatever may bs their political
differences, they were equally concerned in advancing the inte-
rests and upholding the dignity, and maintaining the honour of
their country. He need not remind their Lordships that by a
treaty the honour of a country was deliberately pledged. They
need not be reminded that treaties were the only means by
which they could effect their great international objects. The
Spanish Minister claimed that the sugars of Cuba and Porto
Rico should be put on the sane footing as the productions of
the United States. In one portion of his Noble Friend's
reply to the Duke of Sotomayor, he had the good fortune to
concur. He thought that his Noble Friend was justified in
saying, that the course which her Majesty's Government pur-
sued with reference to the United States, showed that there
was no desire to limit the operation of their commercial en-
gagements, or to invade the treaty. He regretted, neverthe-
less, that the rejection of Spanish sugar should be founded upon
arguments so weak. The Noble Lord (Lord Clarendon) then
read the treaty of 1670, which stated that the produce of
Spain should be treated in the same way as that of any other
nation in favour with this country. No treaty being made
since, it was perfectly plain, that treaty remained unchanged.
During the whole of the last century we carried on this inter-
national trade, notwithstanding our own navigation laws were
de jure existing. We had consuls and vice-consuls at Cuba
and Porto Rico. We had exports from there of upwards of
9,000,000 of dollars, which was double the exports from the
United t-tates. From 400 to 500 British ships were now en-
gaged in this trade. For upwards of five years eleven thousand
tons of British shipping had been occupied in it, and that
amount had been subsequently increased. During the last
twenty-two sears it had been perfectly lawful for British and
Spanish subjects in Spanish ships to transport the proceeds of
that country. With respect to copper, we imposed no restric-
tion or differential duties, because we wanted it, although the
procuring of it was attended with ten times more destruction
to the slave than the obtaining of any other article
of produce, and yet we refused to admit slave-grown sugar
from that quarter. It was inadmissible for the purpose of trade,
for the prr,duce of Germany and France were purchased with it.
It was, however, useless, as it had been stated, for the purposes
of home consumption, The treaty was now reckoned upon in
order to prevent her Majesty's subjects from taking the sugar.
A portion of the treaty was 170 years old, to argue under
which that the general products of the country were admissible
while particular products were retused, was a species of reason-
ing that would not be listened to in any court of equity or honour.
In 1814 this country entered into a treaty with Spain, by
which it was stipulated that whenever this country conferred
privileges upon any °trier foreign country, they were bound to
do the same with respect to Spain, and yet the Noble Lord
opposite, the Secretary for the Colonies, argued that
they had no right to trade with Spain upon the
same terms that they did with the United States.
And although his Noble Friend spoke of the decree
slightingly, as an ex post facto decree, and after the
South American possessions had passed away from
Spain, yet it appeared that it did not apply to Cuba
and Porto Rico. These had not passed away, and a
Spanish King had the power to withhold from them any inter-
course if he pleased ; but he did not do so. He granted them
permission. His Noble Friend, however, would not hear of
that. He would pass over what led to that recognition, but,
indeed, there was no doubt, long before the States had sepa-
rated, the c. mplete go-by had been given to the treaty of
1670. He would now come to the state of things that existed
in 1820. The Noble Lord then read an extract from a memo-
randum of a negotiation entered into at that time by Mr. Can-
ning. Now, not withstanding they had obtained permission, in
1810, to trade with the Spanish possessions—notwith-
standing they had embarked a large amount of capital in
that trade, and notwithstanding they had appointed a consul to
protect that trade, agreeably to the permission so granted, yet
in the face of all this his Noble Friend alleged that no reci-
procal obligation was incurred on the part of the British Crown.
He would ask, was it just —was it right—was it fitting conduct
for a country that had been always foremost in
proclaiming its
own liberality to act in that manner? His Noble Friend then
referred to an order in council of 1828, and asserted that this'
did nothing more than sanction a trade between the colonies of
Spain and Great Britain. He was doubtful, however, whether
such a construction could be put upon that order. He should
have thought that the practice between the two countries
would have prevented such conduct towards Spain, for by their
acts they had brought incredible disgrace on this country.
Wines were formerly admitted into Spain, and were placed on
the same footing as the goods of this country. If they reduced
the duty on the wines and other produce of the countries on the
continent, he would ask if such conduct was fair and honourable 7
They committed a great act of injustice towards Spain in re-
spect to the treaties into which they entered with that coun-
try. Spain, too, had been regardless of her own interests.
In the treaty it was stated that Spain, in regard to her pro-
ducts, would be placed on the footing of the most favoured
nation. Was the Noble Lord prepared to tell British mer-
chants that their produce was placed on a proper footing by
the treaty of Utrecht? In their whole policy it would appear
that they had one law for the weak and another for the
powerful. Spain claimed the same right and the same power
as other nations. If he had not made his opinions manifest to
their Lordships—( Hear, hear)—and did not induce them to
form the opinions which he entertained, he could only ascribe
it to his own inability. We were endeavouring by treaties with
other nations to satisfy the daily increasing wants of our
people by opening fresh markets. God knew, to all these
objects there were obstacles enough without adding to them
mistrust, and the violation of good faith. He had already
occupied the attention of the House at too great length in sup-
port of the ;notion. It must be matter of indifference not only
to Cuba and Brazil, but even to our own colonies, whether the I
sugar of the former places were imported for home consump-
tion or for re-exportation. We had already lost the very im-
portant market of Brazil. We were, besides, setting an ex-
ample of the means by which a treaty may be evaded. We
were thereby incurring a greater loss than that of our com-
merce—the loss of our honour and character for good faith in
the observance of treaties. It was to remedy, as far as possible,
that injury, that he would now mo b. resolution to the effect—
That, in deference, not merely to`tommercial treaties, but to
regulations, according to which, under those treaties, the trade
between this country and Spain and Brazil had been for many
years carried on, all the products of those nations should con-
tinue to be imported on as favourable a footing as the products
of the most favoured country. _ _

The Earl of ABERDEEN, who was throughout his speech
heard with the greatest difficulty, and in no one sentence dis-
tinctly, was understood to say that his Noble Friend had strongly
impressed on their Lordships the necessity of maintaining the
national honour by the faithful observance of treaties. Ns
person could be more deeply sensible of that importance than he
( the Earl of Aberdeen) was. But he suspected that if it had not
been for the policy of the Government last year in connexion
with the sugar trade, the House would not have heard of those
ancient Spanish treaties.—( Hear, hear.) He thought that if
the claim had b( en put forward upon any other grounds, it
would not have met. with the same support. He thought that
the policy of the Government in this case was just and wise,
with a view to contribute to the suppression of the African
slave-trade, and that the result was not to encourage that trade
—( Hear, hear)—but it had the effect of bringing into this
country a large quantity of free-grown sugar. Our colonial
trade with Spain had, even under the treaties insisted on by his
Noble Friend, been actually prohibited, although to some ex-
tent it was carried on in a contraband manner. But when the
treaty was formed, twenty years ago, we became entitled to all
the privileges of the most favoured nations. He was astonished
to hear that interpretation put upon the ancient treaties ; on
the other hand, --pain had always refusi'd to acknowledge them
in that light. Let their Lordships recollect the " Family
Treaty" of the 10th of May, 1671, by which France, Spain,
and the Two Sicilies mutually bound themselves to give to the
subjects of each other equal privileges with the i• own, in their
respective dominions. By the 25th clause of that compact it
was stipulated that no other Power should be admitted to share
in the same advantages. This was entirely at variance with
the interpretation put upon their former treaties by his Noble
Friend. Mr. Pitt's treaty of 1806 stipulated, in the 7th article,
that the subjects of the two Powers should be placed upon the
footing of the most favoured nations, except so far as was pre-
cluded by the treaty of 1671. in respect to Fiance, and on the
part of England in respect to the treaty with Portugal in 1703.
So much for the observation by Spain of her ancient treaties
with this country. But it always had been the practice to look
at those treaties with regard to altered circumstances. The
stipulations of treaties wcre frequently in themselves incon-
sistent and contradictory. Spain had always resisted the ap-
plications of this country, even where their provisions were
most clear and satisfactory. For instance, by the treaty of
1667 English subjects were exempted from certain contribu-
tions, but of late years these were exacted, and the reply of the
Spanish Government to our remonstrance was that times were