The Sun.
London, England, 1817-02-08 00:00:00

slot only the lavlog Of ti.ie public money, bat to
•redur,e the juilileace • 9,- the Crown. lie could veri,
easily explain bow he would haVe this done. J.%`,;*
instance, if the Committee should report that tlIC!,
two paymasterships of the forces Ought to be con-
solidated, 'although the one would then have
salary equal to the nmount Of time salary of the
other I wo, still he would rejoice ht such an alter-
ation,' because there would then be one placentan
less, altimoogh there Was no actual and immediate
saving of the public money. It was thus that lie
%vomit(' have the ihtluence of time Crown reduced.
Was this Committee, on the Noble Lord's 'plan,
to have the power of calling for docuMent-s, pa-
pers, add records, and of examining witnesses'?
He understood that it was ; but he would he glad
to hear it more distinctly stated, and it it 'mss' not
to have such power he should be glad to hear the
reason. His wish was to probe to the bottom all
that related to the expenditore under the Civil
LiSt, unit all that related to the third class men-
tioned by the Noble Lord. Ile would he glad to
know,-whetherthere was to be any Committee to
regort on the necessity Of maintaitting tWo'Courts
One at Windsor, and another at Carittio Homise i
Ila•Coanturtee which had properly iuytired into
this subject should report the 'maim eo Aimee of.
Keith these %vas necessarV for the comfort of his
Majesty, theo he would be the last man to dis-
agree from such a report. But, as to the in-
fluence of ot the_Crown, did the House Isom:, the.
actual number 'ot placemeo who held situations
under the Crown / He did not mean situations of
i
any kind 'under the CroWn, hat thole who held
situations to which were attached salaries and
emoluments trom which they might be removed at
thelleasnre of the Crown, anti who had seats in
that House. Was ttke House aware that the num-
ber of its Members who held situations of that
kind was not leiS than sixty Let that number
be deducted front the aniOunt of the majorities on
the divisions of the House, and i! would he found;
that the real sense of kiarlianment was tint upon'
the side of the apparent majority. Beerstise he
said this, was he therefofe to be represented' as
saving, that tho'se Members of the Conse Who
held these situations gave their votes from corrupt
'Motives ? God turbid that ,he thoold suppose
such a thing ! MI that he meant to say was,
that in such it situati,n) the most conscientious
Man could not act without bias. He wool( say,
in the words used by Mt. Pox, when speaking of
these Member., that he did not consider their
official situations as a reason why they should vote
nit a certain side, bat merely us a symptom of the,
side on which 'they Would vote. Upon the whole,
from the spirit- in which the Noble Lord had
spokeo,Ame limped that he tvotihh not persist in his
mode of appOioting the CMllmittec. Let the No—
Ide Lmirel ssetude Gentlemen in' office froth the•
Committee, and then iii the' spirit in which he,
spoke, he would be glad to bail this concession as
a sore proof of sincerity, anti ohs disposition to
act op to those professions which bad been so
liberally made.
The CtiANCELLoR of the ExenEssisaa-The'
whole force of the argument of the .RiAht
Gentleman Whip '.puke last, was turned to con-
vince the 'House,
•that instead ot appointing one
Conimittee tot 'the purposes which bed been IN
ready stated,•thete ought to be different Cam-
mit tes 'fun. the Separate., iuvestiga.iem of eVet y
branch' of the public servieeS, including one for,
the. investigation of the Colonial establishments.
Accardiog to this plen,.oete'would be fdor.Conr-
mittees 'instead of one; and from .three Of these
the.. Right Hon: Gentlemen would have ail 'men
iii office excluded.' On this he was of a totally
different opinion. In, examining the detaili` of
the service, the Iloh;e alight as much
as in the. examination of any thing ssiating
to the fiaances, to call for the assistance of
those, who being conversant with all that
related to the subjert, most be the best able
ssepply that informatioo,wilhoet which theyecio!ii:
form no cot rect lodgment, and come to noproper'
decision. But as no this .point, the Other part
of the modal of lilt Noble Prietol, width related
,to, the•inst munitions to the CorAnilltre, would soon
emhe before the House; and as there' would then be
abetter Oppot miry for diSeussing'it; he'woold say
no more at pre„semit, He wduld rather now say a
very few words with reference to the financial
Statements Of the Right Hon ,-Gentlemen, and
endeavOur to set him tight its one or t wo instances.
First; is to the gracious etimMunication front his
Royal Highness the nice. Regent, which had
thil night beert delivered, to the, House through
his Noble Ft iend, the Right Ilium. Gentleman had
'made some observations which, in terms not am-
biguMms, imptoed Maine to leis Msjesty's era
for their tardiness in :not Sooner advising this
measure, and he seemed t0.g4).-so far as to stn.',
that it was now so late that little good. was (S)
be
:expected &mon it. But surely the Right flot)
.Jentleinan would alio w,that itcouldamot have beet)
made at an earler period ot the Session.. And if
it •were still said that it might hsve been doneeyen
before this SessiOn, be' would beg the Otiose to
cOnsiderilme situation in, Which his Royal High-,
Hess had been placed with respect -to his income,
-and wmen that was considered he' wOulA,esk how
much earlier than the present time his llpyalfligh-
'mess was enabled to• ascertain or compute what
reduction he could Make in.his expentlitureaS
pared with 11,s revenues. Previous so the arrange=
meat Made' during-the last year, time List ronl
been unable to support itself Withoet- the atsSit,t•
anCe ot additional grants front like' ; there-
fore ally attempt to give up any part or it wt uld
have been a mete mockery, asit Ivpmild he no more
than taking it sum Wttleh the Hollie would have
been afterwards Obliged to make up. Butt when
during she last Session,. Parliament hall
and,' as he thought, wisely, pat the Civil List on a
different footing, and had made an mattingoisent,
;aid), Withoot any timing like ettraragance, was
sufficient for.the purposes of the State, it. had, done
that which enabled his Rose' Highness in the pre-
sent times of difficulty', to take time lead in meimiures
of economy and .retrenehttment in his own hpen-
diture, and of liberality towards time more,
tressed. part of his subjects, Upon Whit riersti
nay Concerned the mantbers of his ithijesly's
vernMent, lie was oniy aukinus that time sacrifice
which they meant to make !night not be construed
as in any way adtaittitfic sestet) a principle as that
ot taxation upon °Mee. What they hid done wi+s
merely voluotiry, And he burl no doubt that tb