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tsin brenciiei of the revenue; how much accrued to eneve a.reselation to that etTea. Th&resolution, in
.the Crown, and how little to the subjea. On these his opinion, was to do away that odium which the--
grounds lithopposed the Bill. . offices in question were calculated to produce. He
_ The CHANCELLOR of
,the Ekentotime. stated, wished to spew to those-persons who Were cootinu-
that two - thirds of the Droits of Admireity were ally exclaiming against the systetn, and were 'for
uniformly given to the captors; 'the. I-fon. Gentle- -carrying things to dangerous extremes, that at
EOM would then find that one million and upwards least Parliament were disposed to do every thing
was due to his Majesty, this sum was then to come which could ameliorate the burthens of the peo-
through the Registrar's hands, and on this' pie. The Hon. Gentlemen having adverted to the
1,73.5,0001. would be to be collthed. It should be - opinions of Mr. Burke on this spbject, and having
recollected, that out of these Droits 400,0001. was alluded to theappointment of Mr. Yorke to a sine-
paid for Danish ships, so instead of five million in cure place, concluded with moving a resolution to
the purses it Was reduced to 300,0001. • The Hon. the following effect :--e“ That it was expedient
Gentleman said, that hissintelligence was only from after the expiration of the term by which persons
the papers on the table. He likewise would take : holding sinecure offices were enabled to retain the
up those papers and assert that his observations were : same to abolish them, taking care to provide effi-
unfounded,' a . dent means for securing to Civil Officers under ti.e
Mr. Meterie, in eeplanation, said that he Government, holding
.high and effective situations,
meant- that five million had been paid into the Ad- , a remuneration for. abolishing the same, with this
miralty: • e exception, that those persons conteitted with his
Mr. CheEVEY. said, that he bed been first struck Majesty and the Royal Family should not be in-
by the claims evade by, Officers.-of the Crown -that eluded in the resolution."
the money had not been paid, to t! e captors. i Mr. H. MARTIN was disposed to accede to the
Lotd Miterces s thAt when the Cliancellor !'ploposition of the Hon. Gentleman, because he was
of the
"Exchequer replied in the affirmative to his convinced that the: objeet which both had in view
questicee if the Droits of the Adniralty were will- I would -,be obtained by the resolution now subs.
cient for the Annuity, he ImA, on this ground, voted inked. In the view which lie took of the subject,against the Bid; it he had known that they were he Was convinced that the influence of the Crown
not sufficient,lievould have voted in its favotir. wi suffireent for all the purposes of reward, and
The CHANCELLOR .of the EXCHEQUER replied, that when great 'public services required the con-
that tie had given the Noble Lord to undetstand sideration of the Government, Parliament would he
what sum would be sufficient to purchase thes An- - ready to bestow ample rewards. The iteso-
nu ty, but did not aliude to the Droits. ,lutions °lithe Honourable-Gentleman seemed Irani-
Mr. W., SMITH conceived it to be a monstrous, ;upon the Model of those passed during the ad-
proposition, that so large a sum as. eight millions ministration of my Lord North, with this Aitihr-
ehould 'go inio the hands of the Crown to be , once, , that, the Commissioners did not • seem
posed of for benevolent purposes. It arose Isom an willing to provide for the interest of the parties
inattention to the VeSetit nature of thiegs in the pe;sonally concerned in the abolition, the Hon.,
'country. When the King had, the whole expence Gentleman, on the contrary, thought it expedient to
0 ot.fittine out armaments then he had a right. to dis- make provision. The Hon. Gentleman then ad-
•
pose of the Droits ; but when the country is put to vertsd to the report of the Committee on the sub-
so enormoes an eXpeixe in .-raising,, an army and jeer, and trusted that the House, with that report
navy, and yet all the prizts to go to the Crown, it is before them, would be induced as a means to alle-
, not to be supported. He'conceived it to be an error- l'viate the burthens of the people to accede to the re-
mous premium for acts of injustice; he allrleele4 solution, which pointed nut a mode of abolishing.si-
to the capture of four Spanish frigateh, the circutne secure otiicos infinitely ,preterable to any other.—.
stances attending which were a biut on the charac- With respeCt to rewarding persons for services by si-
ter of him who orslered it, and a .disgrace to the necures, tie thought -the Crown was not aware of•
country. it was not right to send out men out so the. extent. of the reward in certain cases. Was
hazardous and important an csiset as the capture of it intended that in one particular case (which the
a g.illeon Worth perhaps 400,0001. and all to be given IHonotrable Geetleman did not name, that a re-
to the Crown. He !roped to see the time when 4 'ward qf nearly half a million should be given ?
this would be reF.,ul -He must oppose the Bill, Vas the Crown aware that the reward would extend
unless the Anzrui-,y was taken from the Molts. lto so large an amount when it was granted ? Much
Mr. LAMB hoped that.if the Bill was agreed to, _had been said, he observed, of the prosperous elate
tire Reversion might likewise be received,• and lof the country, of- the imports and 'exports, but it
Lent meet its fate from those he would not name. i was-the- necessary consequences of trade to create
Mr.' WHITBREAD said, that as his Hohnurable great capitaliets, and to break down the middle. ranks
Friend (Mr.,Tierney) lied been prevented coming in society. The Hon. Gentleman thought that per-
to tlah.House by hie late attendsince, on a Commit- sons of great opulence 'should not receive reMune-
-tee, he proposed that the debate should be adjourn- ration of this eieure—that no distinntion should be
ed for a few days, particularly that the nature of the paid to the party entitled to receive it, and therefore
'fund in question might be learned: 'Putting the feeling snxious for the adoption of time principles,
question aside to whom the DrOits beloneed, it lie shuul. support the motion of the Honourable
would, be better to furnish the 70001. per Getiiienman.
frOrn them; to • give this sum, -he Was sure no one . Mr. LONG, in allusion to the opinion of Mr. Burke
objected. He. asked Ministers if they did not With lespeet to the abelitton el places of this descrip-
pt2t his Majesty in a very uucoriafet table situa- trou, ststee it was not ti,e opinion of that Gentleman
Lion, by withholding from the Heuse the" ! that all binecure effices snou!d be abolished. Time
ledge of this fund ; by doing'so, they pet etieTiOuse, Gentie Lieu who proposed the ameuement had
in • the' odious and -painful sitmulcts of being ob-
.n.. 1 sated any suoStitution for the eisees abolished,
lied to Withhold the annuity. • HC. issiew that nor hp.: ii&rmet.l•the 140..5e at what time
his Majesty in, his concleseendingsgoedimeas gave troth tee aouts, tee was to take He had seemed to
•his privy purse one•million for public tee • ices, die 'consider that its the -f the etfices there
would not have acted thes•uniess he rXpittit,:ila:;lhe vis re gi eat ebuses, ane that .4 he Ct own ~dcl inflience
most:benevolent and paternal Jeelings tor in pecia:e. ' stifEietit. it ciid not.appear,t hat he had fut etsimed a
In 1794 e and in Sir I-I. l'ophani; tie stehacistit argument the ahelitions, becaue, ihotigh
instances of thie'henevolenae. -Lae. sum be- psi-sues Joh tit have dene little service to the State,
longs-lo the. Crown,- and it is 11 •:•• :s so . sill they deserved reward. He eetirely differed from
I him is • l'e tsat Civil Servants should not be re-
tar exhausted as to be • ,
.antily, is it wise, providece, i c •ese the warcteu with sinceciate offices; on rli contrary, he
affeaion dnis to his Atijesry • %a ..1)1Kto conceived that none but Civil Servants onglit to be
Ins subjeei s tor the pat see, t this se„ , se eundered re,warded, in that maniac). For instance, would it
at the idea of e xpre-snig a dOnvis:;;;,t, o s-'- eecessity be-curresh to have rewarded ,such a map. as Lord
of retrenchment, andlet proceeding t& ‘ake Nelson with the place of Auditor of the Exchequer.
lion -from‘the consoiidatsci lid without any de- Lord &Timms supported the motion of the Hon.
dared reason. If it shoidd appear that tilt Dioes Gant's:mail. The Noble-Lord thought all sinecure
were not sufficient, then let ties House ut Bruns- should- be, abolishe.d, • leaving this House to
wick be maititained,trem the PurSpc Stock ;it they reward public services, who were always liberal.
were sufficient, he was bound, itejuatice to oppose It had been objected that' the resolution would in
any other mode ,of onteinitig the Annuity. He effect trench upon the privileges or the Crown, al-
agreed with his Hon. Friend (Mr..Lpnrib) that Mi- ready increased by the weight of taxation, but he
nisters, though they etlvisad the' Crown to act thus, did-not concur in that opinion, and should therefore
yet they ought to' 6dvise-fluff to agree to-Reversion vote -fertile Resolution, in case no motion for abolish-
Bill. He concluded layemovieg,-as-an amendment, , ing theie offices in iota was brought, forward, pre-
- that this Debate, -should be adjourned till this day ferring as he.did the total abolition.
se-pnight. Mr. W. SMITH observed, that the question for
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER observed, the consideration of the Committee was, whether
that though the purchase was now Ali ade froto the Sinecure" Offices should be abolished, or whether a
Consolidated Fund, the Bill might not now be re- certain nuaiher should exist ? The Hon.. Gentleman
Larded, as his Majesty could :-hereafter give orders took a view of the question-in a constitutional point,
to pay it to the flind trout the Droits. .and'contended, that various appointments were ir-
A diviiion was called for, and there appeared— regulareparticularly that of Mr.-Yorke to the Teller-
For the Amendment , - - - 37 ship of the Exchequer, because that Gendetnan was
For the Bill now pssing -•- 6i
• MajJrity - - --.28. • • immediately afterwards made First Lord of the Ad-
The Bill actordingly passed. •
miralfy: The Hon. Gentleman having adverted to
the Opinion of Mr. Burke, ou this subject, conclud-
Mr. WHITBREAD brought in a Bill for amending 1 est with supporting the motion Of the Honourable
the condition of the Pooh . Read a first time, and Gentletnan.
ordered to be read a second [lino Tuesday. Mr. BASTARD attributed,a great part o' the public.
A-Committee of time whole House was appointed discontent which exis-ed on these subjects to tee tn-
foe to-morrow, on the motion of Mr. Foster, to cep- iattention which the House manifested to the re-
sider of the erecting of Light Houses on the Coast ports of Committees appointed by therhselves to in-
of Ireland. ' quire into abuses.
Mr. R. WARD obtained leave to bring in a Bill Mr. WHARTos contended that so fir from the
for preventing the Lapse Of. Buildings in Greenwich i influence of the Crown having increased of late,
Hospital. it -had considerably decreased. -He admitted, that
Mr. TIERNEY, wino just then entered the House, owing to the increase of establishrnents, the patrOn-
after making a few observations on his absence, iage of the Crown had been doubled since 1782 ; but
gave notice, that he would, on Tuesday next, move f then the increased population and the inereased,
for a General Account of the Drafts of the Adtni- wealth on •ehich that patronage operated must be
likewise gave notice, that the first Bill taken into time Account ; and it would. be foUnd that
for the Interest of the Loan
.he would oppose on i. the influence of that 'patronage was much less than
the second reading. formerly. He grounded his calculation of the in-
PUBLIC EXPENDITURF.. creased wealth of. the nation on the increased value
Tire House, on the motion of Mr. MArtriN, re- of grain, which, compared with-that of 1782, was
solved itself into a Committee to consider the as tlimee to one. If sinecure places were altogether
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Report of Public Expenditure. e moved that the abolished, the power of the Crown would tie re-
resolution should be read. duced its a manner that would totally- destroy elle
The Clerk accordingly read it : after which— balance of the Constitution.

Mr. BANKES rade to propose an amendment,
which he hoped tic oz -rid be more agreeable to the
Committee than the one formerly proposed. The
obje& which he had in view was to incorporate a
provision for those persons who were entitled to
public regard, and who in consequence of the in-
tention of at-,olishing -sinecure offices, would be tm-
provided for. It therefore was Ins
.intention to

Mr. ,WHITBREAD ridiculed the foundation of the
Hon: Gentleman's argument, which'-was more ap-
plicable to the consideration of an assize of bread
than to the question before the House. He denied
that sinecures were grounded on any principle, and
coweuded that they were rapidly falling into disre-
pute. He strongly reprobated. th 6 pmcliec of eking
out the emoluments of an ellic:iont Owe by'a sine-