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LLOYD'S SHIPPING.-(THIS DAY).
LONDON, MAY 22.—Wind northerly, fresh breeze, with passing
clot ds. It blew hard last night, accompanied with rain.
MARGATE, MAY 21.—Part of the mast, four spars, and a quantity
of rigging, &c., have been brought in here from the wreck of the
Jeane Lucille, sunk on the Long Sand.
RAMSGATE, ➢iaY 21.—The Anna, of Blyth, from Fecamp to the
north, in ballast, struck on the Goodwin Sand this morning, but
came off without assistance or apparent damage, and bore up for the
westward. The Fly, of Yarmouth, bound to the north, in ballast, is
agiound on the Brake, but expected oft
PORTSMOUTH, MAT 21.—Wind N.N.E. to N.N.W.—ShI. Prince
Albert, New York.
DEAL, MAY 21.-6 P.M, Wind N.N.E. fresh breeze.—Arrd.
Monarchy, Robertson, China; M. donna, Miller, Colombo; High.
bury, Walker, Jamaica ; Milsom, Bahia; Undaunted, Bahia
for Hamburgh ; Venerable, Martin, St. Andrew's, New Brunswick.
Sld. Sea Lark, China.

LIVERPOOL; MAY 21.—Wlnd N.E., moderate.—Arrd. Madras,
Badger, Ichaboe ; Bebe, China ; and Anne, Jeffrey, New Orleans.
Ski. Mary Ann, Sydney ; Alice, Barbadoes ; Exeter, Ilayti ; Thomas
and Severn, St. John's, New Brunswick.
OFF CORK, MAY 16.—Mountaineer, New Orleans.
HARTLEPOOL, MAY 20.—The Dutch galliot Twee Cebroeders put
In here yesterday, leaky, pumps choked, loss of sails, &c., and has
been hauled ashore to be surveyed. Blowing a gale.
COWES, MAY 21.—Arrd. Thomas Kidd, Clmssen, Batavia.
DARTMOUTH, MAY 20.—Arrd. Lady Alice Lam!Aon, Altona for St.
John's, Newfoundland, to examine her bottom, having been ashore.
Orr, Victor, Rio for Hamburgh ; Lucy, New Orlems for Bremen.
ST. IVES, MAY 20.—Arrd. Caroline, Jersey for Bristol, with loss of
mast, sails, rigging, &c., in a squall last night off St. Agnes.
CLYDE, MAY 20.—Arrd. Toronto, White, New York. Sid.
Majestic, Montreal.
CORK, MAY 19.—Arrd. Andrew White, Murray, rehaboe.
GALWAY, MAY 18.—Arrd. Paella, Leggett, Trinidad.
BELFAST, MAY 16.—S1d. Victoria and Josepha, Quebec.
IdRIDLINGTON BAY, MAY 21.—A rrd. South Esk, lehaboe.
GREENLAND FISHERY.
Hula., MAY 21.—The Constantia, Graven, arrived here yesterday
front Greenland, and reports the following up to April 22:—The
Anne, Dean; with 9,000 seals ; Sarah Elizabeth, Willis, 4,000 seals ;
Jane, Brown, 3,000 seals; Swallow, Lee, 2,600 seals ; Lord Gambier,
Jackson, 1,200 seals ; Bon Accord, Lee, 1,200 seals.

PIRATES IN THE MEDITERRANEAN.
MESSINA, MAY 6.—The Rowena, Tregarth, arrived
at this port, spoke the brig Garnett, of Hull, off Licata,
the master of which reports having been chased, and
attempted to be boarded, on the 21st ult., fifty miles
west of Malta, by a schooner under Turkish colours,
of about 250 tons, with painted ports, well armed, and
manned, and a very fast sailer, which in attempting to
board the brig, carried away her jib-boom, bowsprit,
and the brig's maingaff, rnaiutopgallant-mast, &c.

coax. ZWARIELET.
Prices per ton at the close of the market :—Adair's Main,
14s Gd ; huddle's West Hartley, 17s Gd ; Charlotte Main, 15s ;
Chester Main, 15s ; Hastings' Hartley, I7s 6d ; Holywell
Main, 168; Nelson's West Hartley-, 1686 d ; Old Ponlop, 14s;
Ord's Redheugh, 14s ; Taylor's West Hartley, 16s 6d ; West
Hartley, 17s ; West Wylam, 15s 3d ; Wylam, 14s 6d ; Wall's-
end, Ililda, 15s 6d ; Killingworth, 153 9,1; Pott's, 14s ; •Bel-
moot, lis 3d ; Braddyll's Hetton, 18s ; East Hetton, 16s 3d ;
Haswell, 18s Gd ; Iletton, 18s ; Latubton, 17s 9d ; Richmond,
lis ; Heugh Hall, 16s Od ; Kelloe, 17s 3d ; Adelaide, lis 9d ;
Barrett, 16s 6d ; Eden Hartlepool, 17s ; Evenwood, 15s ;
Seymour Tees, 17s 3d ; Tees, 17s 6d ; Derwentwater Hartley,
16s; Hartley, 16s 6d ; Powell's Duffryn Steam, 22s.—Ships
arrived, 44.

THE FINSBURY DISPENSARY.—The annual dinner
in celchratlon of the establishment of this old and excellent charity
took place yesterday at the Albion Tavern, Eishopsgate-street. Lord
J. Russell presided, but was obliged almost immediately after the re,
moval of the table-cloth to retire, in order to attend the festival at
the Fishmongers'-hall, and meet his Royal Highness Prince Albert.
The Noble Lord's place was filled by the lion. Mr. 11. Russell.
There were also present Mr. G. Ryng, M.P., Mr. W. 11. Whitbread,
Mr. Pownall, Mr. Bodkin, M.P., Mr. Sheriff Hunter, and about fifty
other gentlemen. Messrs. Robinson, Lloyd, Sporle, and Edney con-
ducted the musical arrangements. The company, as usual, testified
their loyalty and good feeling towards the objects of the dispensary,
by drinking the usual toasts. The healths of Mr. Eyng and of the
Chairman were also drunk. The amount of subscriptions was an-
nounced at 2501. The report showed the dispensary to be in a flou-
rishing situation ; but at the same time urged the necessity of conti-
nuous efforts on the part of its patrons to meet the demands made by
an increasing population upon its resources. The company separated
shortly before eleven o'clock.

RAILWAY COMMITTEES.
(YESTERDAY.)

Group B.
The Committee met this morning at the usual hour, and pro.
ceeded with the

LEEDS AND THIRSK LINK
Mr. DEmom, on behalf of the Harrowgate Junction Company,
applied for a warrant to compel the attendance of a Mr. Joseph
Dawson, who was in town, but refused to attend.
The CHAIRMAN (Mr. P. M. Stewart) said he would grant a
Speaker's order, but he hoped the witness would be worth it, as it
was rather an expensive proceeding.
Mr. Winkham, banker at Knaresborough, was examined by Mr.
BAINES—There is an extensive corn market at Knaresborough,
which would be greatly benefited by the proposed line. There is
an inexhaustible supply of limestone in the neighbourhood of
Knaresborough, the greater part of which is burnt in the districts
lying west of the Leeds and Thirsk line. The proposed Ripon and
Collingbridge branch from the Great North of England would not
be anything like an equally beneficial one to the district.
Cross-examined by Mr. B. C. ROBINSON—Some of the districts
west of the Leeds and Thirsk line are not very productive.
Mr. T. Simpson, linen manufacturer and banker at Knares-
borough, stated that the trade of the town is not so good as for.. merly, owing to the absence of communication with Leeds. The
cost of sending goods to Leeds is now 10s. per ton, which would
be materially reduced if the proposed line was constructed. The
price of gas in Knaresborough is 12s. 64. per 1,0001. cubic feet,
and at Leeds only 6s. Sd. If a competition were to take place
between the coal fields of Durham and the West Riding, the price
of gas at Knaresborough would be much reduced. The Pilmoor
line would do us no good at all.
Mr. Hutchison, lead manufacturer at Pakeley-bridge, spoke to
the benefit which would accrue to his neighbourhood by the pro-
posed line.
Mr. Fisher, banker at Ripon, and Mr. Morton, agent to Miss
Lawrance, also spoke to the anticipated benefit which would acerue
to Ripon from the making of the Leeds and Thirsk line.
John Nelson had been a carrier from Bassam to Leeds for 20
years. Seventeen men with carts were employed in the convey-
ance of butter, eggs, and cheese to Leeds. Believes that the
proposed Leeds and Thirsk line would be far better than any
other to the east.
Mr. Mark Melburn, farmer at Thirsk, and Secretary to the
Yorkshire Agricultural Society, examined by Mr. BAINES—Has
calculated the number of cattle passing from Thirsk to Leeds. At
Bedale there is a very Important fortnightly fair held, from
which about 6,000 sheep and 1,820 cattle annually are sent to
Leeds. Bedale is 7 miles from the Leeds and Thirsk line, and
15 )4 miles from the Pilmoor line. The country for three miles
on each side of the Leeds and Thirsk line is one of the richest
agricultural districts in the kingdom, especially for barley and
sheep. About 40,000 quarters of barley are annually sent from
those districts to the West Riding. The town of Thirsk is at
present not on any line of railway, and will derive great conve-
nience from the proposed line. The North of England is in the
hands of the Durham coalowners, which renders the coal trade
from the south absolutely impossible. Coals are 2s. 6d. dearer at
Thirsk than at York. The West Riding coal, which is very
valuable, is now practically shut out of the market. The feelings
of the inhabitants of Thirsk, with the exception of a few con-
nected with the North of England, are in favour of the proposed
line. At a public meeting of the inhabitants held about six
weeks since, an unanimous vote in favour of the Leeds and Thirsk
line was passed.
Cross-examined by Mr. DENISON—The public meeting was in
favour of a line from Leeds to Thirsk. Before the Great North of
England line was opened the price of coals at Thirsk ranged from
255. to 165., now they are about 121. 6d. Is not aware of any reason
why, in the event of a Leeds and Thirsk line being made, the south
coalowners could not compete with the north coalowners.
Mr. Morton. recalled by Mr. BAINES—Was present at a public
meeting at Ripon, on the 17th April, when the present scheme was
unanimously preferred to the Pilmoor branch.
Mr. S. Smith, butcher, and Government contractor at Leeds,
examined—The conntry about Ripon and Ripley is a great
grazing country, and a railway through the district would be of
great advantage.
Mr. Thomas Fountain, examined by Mr. names—Had compiled
the traffic tables from the observations of fourteen days and
nights. Calculated a revenue of 73,1131. from passengers, and
64,5051. from goods, making a total of 137,6181. 6s. 4d., from which
40 per cent. for working expenses being deducted, would leave a
nett sum of 82,571/. 2s. 3d., which would pay a dividend of 81
per cent. on the capital.
This witness was cross-examined by Mr. Sergeant BELLasrs and
Mr. ROBINSON, but nothing of material importance was elicited.
Mr. Thomas Grainger, civil engineer, at Edinburgh—. Has been
engaged in many lines, and is engineer to the Leeds and Thirsk.
Is quite satisfied that the present line is the best, taking into con.
sideration the line as a link of communication to the north, the
interest of the town of Leeds and the district. The line starts
from Leeds, about 300 yards from the Commercial-buildings, in the
bcentreoftheetown. The West Riding Junction, Leeds and Dews-
ry,proposed line are all on the same level. The line
proceeds and th
eds to Hasford, where a branch Is proposed to the Leeds and
Bradford line. On the main line the most severe gradient is lin
100. The land between the V alley of the Aire and the Valley of
the Wharf is the most difficult part of the undertaking. From the
main line branches will run on either side to Knaresborough and gar.
rowgate, joining at the same point. The city of Ripon is accommo.
dated by a station close to the house, thereby placing it on the direct
line. The whole length of the line to where it meets the Great
North of England line is 88 miles 68 chains. A saving of distance
of the Bradford traffic will be made to the extent of 231/2 miles b the Leeds and Thirsk line. A viaduct will be made over tho y
of the Wharf, and a tunnel of 3,195 yards at Pann 1, h will
be ventilated by fbur interne] shafts. The curves :—"ie
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favourable, the two Most severe ones having a radius of 30,_ and
another of 20 yards, but being near stations they are not of any in-
convenience. The estimated expense of construction is 890,0001. Has estimated the working of the line at 35 per cent, on the gross
income, and considered theallowance of 40 per cent, a very liberal
one. It would be practicable to carry the line across to join the
Lancaster and Carlisle line. The distance from Ripon to Thirsk by
the proposed line is 10 miles 69 chains, and by the Pilmoor
18 miles 40 chains. From Ripon to Leeds, by the proposed line,
the distance is 28 miles 50 chains, and by the other, 32 miles 16
chains. From Bradford to Thirsk the respective distances are 44
miles 11 chains, and 53 miles 18 chains.
The Committee, at the close of the examination of this witness,
adjourned until to-morrow (this day),

COURT CIRCULAR.
The Queen held a Council yesterday afternoon at Bucking-
ham Palace, for the reception of an address on the throne from
the Corporation of the city of Dublin.
The Lord Mayor of Dublin arrived at the Palace soon after
two o'clock, accompani. d by the deputation from the Corpora-
tion, and attended by the Rev. Ralph Sadler, his chaplain, and
Mr. T. J. Beasley, his secretary. His Lordship wore his
state robe, witi, his splendid conic of S. S., and the large gold
medal presented to the Corporation by his Majesty King Wil-
liam the Third.
The deputation consisted of Alderman O'Brien, late Lord
Mayor of Dublin • Town-Councillor Patrick O'Brien ; Mr.
Wm. Ford, town clerk ; Mr. Thomas L. Sumott, high consta-
ble; Mr. Thomas Reynolds, marshal; Mr. James Curran,
mace-bearer; and Mr. Thomas Ackins, sword-bearer.
The Lord Mayor and the deputation passed to the Green
Drawing-room. Her Majesty being seated on her throne,
having Prince Albert on her left, and the Duchess of Buc-
cleuch (Mistress of the Robes) and the Countess of Mount
Edgrcumbe (Lady in Waiting) standing on her right, the
doors of the Throne-room were opened.
The Ministers and Officers of State, consisting of the Lord
President of the Council, the Lord Privy Seal, the Com-
mander-in• Chief, the First Lord of the Treasury, the Secre-
taries for the Home and Foreign Departments, the First Lord
of the Admiralty, the President of the Board of Control, the
Chancellor of the Duchy of I.ancaster, the Chief Commissioner
of the Woods and Forests, the Secretary at War, the Lord
Steward, and the Master of the Horse. occupied their usual
stations on either side of the throne. Her klajesty's Honour-
able Corps of Gentlemen-at-Arms lined the apartment, com-
manded by their Captain, Lord Forester.
The Lord Chamberlain received the Lord Mayor at the en-
trance of the Throne-room, and conducted his Lordship and
the deputation to her Majesty. The Hon. Frederick Byng and
Sir William Martins, Gentlemen Ushers in Waiting, meow-
panied the deputation on each side.
The Lord Mayor read the Address from the Corporation of
the City of Dublin, relative to her Majesty visiting Ireland.
Hit Lordship then advanced, and kneel ng near his Sovereign
presented the Address.
The Queen returned the following most gracious answer :
" I receive with cordial satisfaction this loyal Address from
the Corporation of Dublin.
" I have ever been most anxious to consult the feelings, and
to promote the happiness of my Irish subjects.
" The wish which you express in gratifying terms, that I
should visit Ireland, is an acceptable proof of the warm
attachment of the citizens of Dublin to my person and Go-
vernment.

" Whenever I may be enabled to receive in Iceland the
promised welcome, I shall rely with confidence on the loyalty
and affection of my faithful subjects."
The Lord Mayor received from the Queen a copy of the
address, and kneeling, had the honour to kiss hands. Alder-
man O'Brien (late Lord Mayor), and Town-Councillor
Patrick O'Brien, had also the honour to kiss hands ; and the
deputation then retired from the Royal presence withthe usual
reverences.
The Court was attended by the Marquis of Londonderry,
Gold Stick in Waiting ; the Captain of the Yeomen Guard ;
the Vice-Chamberlain ; the Treasurer of the Household; Lord
Byron, Lord in Waiting; Hon. Captain Duncombe, Groom in
Waiting; Hon. Sir Edward Butler, Lieutenant of the Hon.
Corps of Gentlemen at Arms; Sir George Philip Lee, Lieu-
tenant of the Yeomen Guard; Lord Charles Wellesley,
Equerry in Waiting to Prince Albert ; Mr. James Bunee
Curling, Adjutant of the Hon. Corps of Gentlemen at Arms;
Mr. Ellerthorp, Adjutant of the Yeomen Guard; Sir Benjamin
Smith, C. S. ; Messrs. Byng and Gordon, Pages of Honour in
Waiting.
Sir Robert Peel had an audience of the Queen.
Her Royal Highness the Duchess of Kent visited her Ma-
jesty yesterday.
His Royal Highness Prince Albert dined at Fishmongers'
Hall, yesterday. His Royal Highness was attended by the
Marquis of Exeter, Mr. George Edward Anson, Marquis of
Granby, Captain Francis Seymour, and Colonel Wylde.
The royal dinner party at Buckingham Palace yesterday
included her Royal Highness the Duchess of Kent, her Royal
Highness the Duchess Stephanie of Baden, His Serene High-
ness Prince Edward of Saxe Weimar, the Marquis and Mar-
chioness of Douglas, the Earl of Liverpool, the Earl Delawarr,
Baroness de Strumfeder, Sir George Cowper, and Baron Roth
de Schreckenatein.
The names of Sir George and Lady Lee and Lady Thesiger
were omitted in the list of company at her Majesty's State Ball
on Monday.
Her Royal Highness the Duchess of Kent visited her Ma-
jesty the Queen Dowager yesterday at Marlborough House.
The Royal Duchess also visited the Grand Duchess Stephanie
of Baden, at the Duke of Hamilton's residence, in Portman-
square.
The Grand Duchess Stephanie of Baden visited the Duchess
of Inverness yesterday at Kensington Palace.
Lord Hatherton, Mr. Beckett, and a deputation, on the sub-
ject of the Canal Companies' Tolls and Carrying Bills, had an
Interview with Sir George Clerk yesterday, at the office of the
Board of Trade.
Dispatches were received yesterday at the Colonial-office,
from the Governor of Sierra Leone.
The City Remembrancer and a deputation, respecting the
Coal Act, had an interview with Sir George Clerk, at the
Board of Trade, yesterday.

YIPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

HOUSE OF COMMONS, May 21.
MAYNOOTH ENDOWMENT BILL—
ADJOURNED DEBATE.
Colonel VERNER presented several petitions against
;he Maynooth grant.
Several other Hon. Members presenter petitions for
and against the grant.
Colonel VERNER then rose to resume the adjourned
debate, but for some minutes the Honourable and Gal-
lant Gentleman was inaudible, in consequence of the
noise occasioned by Honourable Members leaving the
House. We understood the Honourable Gentleman to
say, that nothing but an imperative sens., of duty would
have induced him to trespass upon the House on the
present occasion. He had not prepared himself with a
speech.—(Cheers.) He had heard of an officer, who
said he would rather fight a battle than make a speech,
and for his (Colonel Verner's) part, he would rather
walk twenty miles than have to make a speech.
The Right Hon. Baronet spoke in a tone of triumph of
the silence of the great bulk of the Irish Protestants on
this subject, but it did not arise from any indifference or
friendly feeling towards the Bill, but from fear of danger
and persecution. Again, many Protestants were ren-
dered apathetic by the mode in which these petitions
had been treated in this House. Manufactories
of chain armour had been established in Ireland for
the use of the gentry, but these manufactories were not
able to supply the increasing demands upon them. The
Repeal party were allowed to meet and agitate,
whilst the Protestants of the north of Ireland
were placed under severe restrictions.—(gear.)
The reason of the proceedings of the Presby-
terians of Belfast, according to the letter of Dr.
Cook, was not because they objected to the grant,
but that they were fully aware of the manner in
which their petitions would be received in that House.
A similar feeling was prevalent in Armagh.
He would trouble the House with only one letter more,
and it was from a Protestant clergyman. The Gallant
Member then read the letter, which was in substance that
the reason the writer alleged for the Protestants of Ire-
land not petitioning against the measure, was because they
apprehended they would be treated with scorn and con-
tempt. He then continued by saying he hoped it would
not appear that he had taken tOo much upon him-
self in saying that the Protestants of Ireland
were not favourable to this measure. In all his
experience as a Member of Parliament he never heard
of a measure that had so little to recommend it as this.
The argument used in its favour appeared to him to be
this:—that for fifty years the Government had been
doing wrong, and now they would do a greater wrong.
He remembered when the Right Hon. Baronet at the head
of her Majesty's Government proposed a remedial measure
for the then disturbed state of Ireland, he said that if
that measure should not have the desired effect, he would
comedown to this House and ask for additional powers. Let
him (Col. Verner) ask had agitation in Ireland ceased since
then ? He denied that it had ; on the contrary, con-
cession after concession had been made to Ireland
without any effect. A more than sufficient concession
had been made. As to those Honourable Gentle.
men who believed the doctrines taught at Maynooth,
he could only say he did not understand what they meant
by the extension of a belief in such doctrines, when they
were to be supported and propogated at the expense of
those who differed from them. lie would very much
regret to introduce into the House his opinion to influ-
ence it in any way, but he could not refrain from statint,
that he thought it of more importance that the funds
should be rather awarded for the propagation of pure
Protestantism. than for the spread of the Roman Catho-
lic religion. There was one observation that be could
not refrain from making, and that referred to some ob-
servations that had been made in the course of the de-
bate, which, in his opinion, tended to compromise a prin-
cipal feature of British feeling. He could not but
think otherwise than that the present proposed measure
had been wrung from the Ministry by fear, although it
pained him much to say so. It' (the Maynooth measure
was really to be wrung from Ministers, from the appre-
hension of what the repeal party would do in Ireland, he
would tell them to place their trust in the wisdom and

courage of Englishmen, and at once let a termination
be put to their doubts. He warned them that this
measure would not answer the result they desired,
nor would it conciliate the repeal party of Ireland.
Let them know what Ireland really wanted.—(Laughter.)
Let the Government ascertain what would satisfy
them.—(Continued laughter.) He could assure the
Right Honourable Baronet that this measure wouhl
not do so. He had told him so in the must
direct terms, and he repeated again that this measure
would not satify them. The Government had trifled
session after session with that country.
made
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concession after concession. They h
cession this year, which would be followed by another
and a greater. It was but right and proper that the
House should know the worst, that theytsehowuilidoluendtheari
stand what they had to expect
and h
they had to expect, and then they would be prepared, as
hfaarpapsenthaefytercwoualrdds.posTsihy obely be,r anything that might
Would have the
othfepcireopvaerrinnmg themselvesentinitswisdom for any pdptoor tgurnaiiltty.
after concession that
mightbe incline
Lord HARRY VANE could assure the House that
he would confine his observationslt to as limited a coin-
sptaastse a sthePorsesaisbolne; lie fh e saltpnpecortees
ds necessary inmae
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that he had received
e several letters expoguiar;- .
with him upon the vote which -"lii
the previous
given upon. he had
Since that time thg in,...- °_'..,....ge of this Bill.
great 0,3 to "" • ...ease of population had been so
th" • ...quire an increase of the body who supplied
.., spiritual necessities of Ireland. He should have
thought that an increase to the incomes of those indivi-
duals who supplied that want would not be considered
unreasonable. But he must confess that he cared not so

much for that as for the principle of provitfing for the -
religion of the majority of the people of Ahat country; ev,
and he did think that if it had been so ebritrary_aa_
was represented to be to the sentinitmts .t.tlre-i people of England, they would have ha innustle
repeated meetings at Exeter-hall to expres bhe of the people against it. The grant, hem diaress---
derived in his opinion great importance s
Government hid itet vtatki ilieiSM way in which her Majesty'ed in
making the grant. Their mode of proceeding evi-
dently showed that there was to be a new policy
pursued with respect to religion. Sir R. Inglis, and the
Gentlemen who had acted with him, had endeavoured to
fasten on her Majesty's Government last night,
a disregard of the wishes of the people ; but
he had found that the. dislike of the people
of this country was rather to the source from
which the means were to be derived, than to the
purpose to which those means were to be applied.
Ile had himself presented many petitions against this
Bill, hut there was not one which did not dae II on
that particular point. It seemed to him that there
could be no grounds whatever for the objections
raised by the Honourable Colonel who had just
sat dowr, and the Right Honourable Baronet the
Member for Oxford, and by the Recorder for the City
of London. They at least were not opposed to ecclesi-
astical endowments They would have no objection to
extend them, provided those extensions were made to
the church to which they belonged.—(Hear, hear.)
It did not seem to him, therefore, that that principle
was founded on religious grounds. He could not under-
stand how lion. Members could imagine that Ireland
could be governed successfully by the system of exciud •
ing from the benefits of State Provision-, six mil/inns of
people, ought of a population of eight millions. Ire had
not heard the Hon. Gentleman state by w hat ether sys-
tem Ireland could be governed than that of concession.
The lion. Member who had just spoken Ind said that
concession after concession had been made, aryl yet
there was no benefit derived. Wns he (Lord 11. Vane)
to think that the Hon. Gentleman desired to govern Ire-
land be force ? lie would like to know whether that
had not been tried—whetherithad not been unsuccessful,
and nether on account of its non-success the Govern-
ment had been obliged to adopt the principle of con-
cession which ha I been so long recommended to them ?
There was one argument which he had heard, that cer-
tain parties, rather than consent to this measure, would
concede repeal ; and they gave this reason, that they
could never agree to endow a religion from which they
so widely differed. But they should remember that
while the doctrines of Roman Catholicism remained the
principles of the great majority of the people of Ireland,
this was the only mode by which justice could be ren-
dered an injured, and conciliation made to an exasperated,
people. Deeming the proposition expedient, because it
was just, he should give the Government, in their
attempt to accomplish it, his most sincere and cordial
support.—(Cheers.)
Mr. COLQUHOUN would abstain from treating the
question in a religious or polemical point of siew, as it
had already been discussed in that form so ably, by the
Right Hun. Baronet the Member for the University of
Oxford, last night, although the dense and most legi-
mate feeling of the country decidedly was oppqsed to it
on those grounds. But he would rather treat it as a
question of State policy, and follow the Noble Lord who
preceded him, in considering it in that light. The rea-
son
why this petition had not been signed by more than
nine clergymen was, because, as the Bishop of Cashel
had stated to him, it had not been vent to him in time,
before the nine clergymen who had signed it had un-
guardedly put it in the newspapers.—(Laughter.) He
could not see that there was anything very ludicrous in
that. His correspondent further stand that he had got
another petition, signed in Dublin by over 260 Protestant
clergymen, and that, in fact, the Protestant clergymen of
Ireland were unanimously against it. If his Right Hon.
Friend understood the position of Ireland as well as his
friend the Recorder did, he would not be surprised at
the Protestant clergy not coming forward upon occasions
of this kind, because they dreaded being denounced by
the Roman Catholic priests. He had received two letters,
one of which was from the Rev. Mr. Pool, who lived in
the County Tipperary, and the writer stated that in his
parish there were eight Protestants upon whom mur-
derous assaults had been committed ; four of these had
fallen victims, and two had been mutilated for life.
This showed the state of alarm in which the Rev. Gen-
tleman lived. The other gentleman, whose letter he
held in his hand, was a clergyman of the name of
O'Grady, who lived near Castlecary. He st .ted that
he and another clergyman had been attacked on
their way to church. lie said he knew of nothing that
he had done to give offence, except that he had been
the means of converting two Roman Catholic families.—
(Hear, hear, from Mr. Sergeant Murphy.) Did the
Hon. Gentleman mean by that cheer that the people of
Ireland were :n such a state of vassalage that they dared
not change their religion if they pleased ?—(Checrs.)
He would now briefly state his objections to this mea-
sure. When the Conservative party were in Opposition,
the House must well recollect the position which they
took with respect to Irish affairs. If that party wished
to maintain a character for consistency, they ought to
adhere to those principles which they maintained when
in Opposition. However strong the feeling of the lower
classes of Protestants in Ireland against the Catholics,
he thought that the feeling amongst the better classes
had been much modified. As far as the Roman Catho-
lics were concerned, he believed that the better party
then in Ireland had a desire to put a stop to that agita-
tion which was at present existing in that coun-
try, and which, prevented the introdr.ction of
capital into Ireland. If the Goverrment would
act on a straightforward principle, tlyey would have a
strong Roman Catholic party upon o.leir side. The Go-
vernment, however, seem incline?, to conciliate the par-
ties which were now agitati.:ig Ireland. One party had
a powerful organ caitiff, the Nation.. Its articles were
full of vigour, fire, and animation, and he had read them
with much Pl'asure. Indeed, they were so bell written,
that it almost made one wish to be a" rebel to write such
fiery language and to read such writing. This party,
therefore, was a dangerous one, and it was most dane
gerous to attempt to admit its claims. What had been the
conduct of the Government in dealing with these parties
in Ireland ? They brought in the Bequests Act last
session, and no objection was to be raised to that mea-
sure, It had, however, been denounced by a large party
in Ireland ; but it was applauded by the Young Ireland
party, or the party represented by the .Nation. Mr.
O'Connell, in Conciliation Hall, had said, that before he
could give it his support he must have the imprimatur
of the Catholic clergy. The .Nation contended that no
reference was to be-made to the clergy. In this, how-
ever, the two parties were cordially agreed, namely,
in the wish for the severance of England from Ireland.
The Irish part of her Majesty's Government was not so
strong as the English part of the Government, while it
ought to have been the strongest. Tho Nation, or re-
publican party in Ireland, said this, and agitation of
course sprang up. There was the agitation of the
O'Connell party, and the agitation of the Nation party,
both parties having one object—the severance of the
two countries. Such was the state of the north of Ire-
land at the time of the monster meetings that the Under-
Secretary for Ireland had declared his conviction that
the peace of those districts was seriously threatened. A
circumstance had been reported to him (the Under-
Secretary) that a Roman Catholic and a Protestant who
had been previously walking together in feelings of
perfect amity, had then separated in jealous defiance;
each went out at night armed, having his house 'oar-
ricaded, and lived in distrust, if not hatred, towards the
other. His lion. Friend, Mr. Lucas, had felt that
if the Irish Protestants rose in the north, the Roman
Catholics in the south would be equally exaspe-
rated, and the peace of the country be endan-
gered. In that emergency he sought for powers to

prevent a crisis which could only be followed by the
most fatal consequences. Ho had applied for powers,
but to whom ? Was it to the military Was it to the

constabulary ? No, he entrusted the safety of Ireland to
the Protestant Church, and to the crergy of that coun-
try.—(Hear, hear.) Ire besought them to use all their
influence over the naturally irritated feelings of .their
flocks ; they had, to their honour, adopted that course ;
and to them, he feared not to avow, was owing the pre-
servation of the peace of Ireland.—(Cheers.) If such
had been the course of the Protestant Church in Ireland,
what had been the conduct of that House towards it ?
(Hear, hear.) Why, when that Church approached the
Government with a request—not asking for sordid emo-
lument, nor for increased revenues, but asking fur secu-
rity throughout the country, urging truly, " You have put
down our Protestant associations, put down also repeal
organisation; you have put down ottr Orange lodges, put
down their monster meetings." And when they asked
for a grant to their schools, as was accorded the
English Dissenters, not wishing to put down the system
of national education, though from its principles they
conscientiously differed, but asking the House to give
them, for the instruction of their 100,000 Protestant
children the same as they freely bestowed on the 35,000
Roman Catholic children, what was the Right Hon.
Baronet's reply?--(Cheers.) 'When the request was
preferred by the meekest prelate on either Bench, dig..
nitied by noble blood, but better by Christian charity,
more ennobling than the proudest lineage, his prayer
was treated with indifference,
ilit he might almost say
with neisy.—.)
forsooth, this measure was proposed(H to paear cif And now,
-
y the people
of Ireland, to conciliate, to affiliate]—(llear, hear.) But
what had its reception there already evinced ? The
Nation of the 3d of May last contained an article scoffing
important section it represented—(hear, heac)
and spurning it as a sop, and that was the feeling of the
important
Higgins, whom the Right lion. Baronet v, as
authority,proofof hadthe workingspe_ken oeqiisi'llacilh)"l.sayier.a.
Butof if quotingthey al
Is ,
aannteda fond
tern as the one now proposed, they had only to look at
France, where the Monarch had been obliged to entreat
the leader of the Opposition to extricate li.
I te
diffieulties which the Roman Catholic establishments
had entailed. If such were the dance
sec attending a sys-
tem in a country where the Bisho rpa and clergy of the
Roman Catholic Church were hominated by the Go-
vernment, and therefore fettered by tho obliga
tions, and kept in submission to the yoke
of their supporters, ss hat was to be - expected
from establishmeots held under no eontroul ?
The Parliament here had no such hold on the Church of
Ireland, they possessed no veto in the nomination of
their bishops, they could not degrade for misconduct,
nor punish for resistance. Yet, with all these advan-
tages on the side of France, what was its position ? The
Right Hon. Baronet, in 1838, in adopting the views of
the Member for Selkirkshire, who, to his honour, had
preferred ;
Pr4leir!e to place, a somewhat more creditable
course th*::lanother Member, who had preferred place to
ner principle or reason—(Loud cries of " Hear,
hear")—had talked of the progress, not of Popery—for
ed from even escaping
that word had been sacredly guard
nor of the Roman
the lips of the Right Hon. I3aronett
the Roman Catholics
Catholics, but of that section
ied of
to
subordinate civil
in Europe,
wh(2
letustical rule.—(llear, hear.)
government to F
whether,ecafter the recent uxperienee
He would ask him
chstraits as that c3untry was
of France, reduced to such
by the ultra-montane party—whether, after scch ex-