The Sun.
London, England, 1845-06-25 00:00:00

LONDON AND CROYDON LICE•

➢ir. Wright, civil engineer, corroborated the evideuce of Mr,
Sherrard.

Mr. Maurice, contractor, gave ein filar evidence.

Mr. J. A. Samuda gave evidence in favour of the atmospheric
ptinciple. On cross-examination, Mr. Samuda stated that
he was a civil engineer, and had contracted for the works of
several lines, but had never been the engineer of any line. He
constructed the Kingstown and Dalkey line. In experiments made
by him, with a tube of about three inches diameter, he had drawn
thirteen people, and thirteen cwt. of iron up a gradient of one in
thirty.

Mr. Gibbon, acting engineer on the Kingstown and Da!key line,
gave evidence as to the success of the atmospheric principle on that
line. The line was 30 yards short of If mile. There was a gra-
dient of lins7 on the last l mile, which was ascended by car-
riages impelled merely by the momentum they had previously ac-
quired, and not by the force of atmospheric traction, as the appli-
cation of that principle ceased at the commencement of that
gradient. It was usual to have one train every half.hour, or
when necessary four and sometimes ten trains in an hour. The
further evidence of this witness was in favour of the atmospheric
principle.
After the cross-examination of Mr. Gibbon the Committee ad..
journed to twelve o'clock tomorrow.

GROUP GG.
SCOTCH Z.II.XLVZSIYS.

THE GLASGOW, NEILSTON, AND me Ann.-

sax) LINE.-R.ENPRENTur DISTIZICT.

The Committee, ebrisisting of Mr. Evans (Chairman), Mr.
Mullis, Mr. Newdegate, and Mr. Miles, sat at twelve o'clock, in
the Guildhall, Westmintter, to hear traffic evidence on the above

Mr. Notman, manager of the Hurlet Works, was again examined
this morning, and staled that the total goods, coals, iron, &c., sent
on the line to Glasgow from these works was 62,477 tons, and to
Paisley, 9,809 tons.
The witness was cross.examined at some length, without altering
the above result in the slightest degree.
Mr. M'Lintock, owner of certain atone quarries on the pro.
posed line, was next examined as to the tragic from his district.
The result was includcd in the traffic tables.

The traffic tables were then put in by Mr. Pare, and showed a
total of goods, minerals, and passengers, to the extent of 16,9821.
10s. 9d., which, after deducting working expenses, would leave a
remunerating profit of six per cent, to the promoters.on their sub-
scribed capital.
Mr. William M`Creath was examined In corroboration of the
mineral traffic evidence.
The CHAIRMAN then stated that the Committee. in order to avoid
loss of time, had decided that of the two competing lines the
Direct, or Glasgow, Neilston and Barrhead, was the preferable one,
and they would, therefore, wish to hear the evidence against it if
the opponents were inclined to adduce any.
The Committee then adjourned till to-morrow.

GROUP K.

:BURY ST. EDMUNDS AND CAMBRIDGE

R.A.XLIATAY.

The Committee on this line sat this morning at the usual hour,
Mr. Austin, Q.C., appearing on behalf .of the promoters, and
Messrs. James, Girden, and Rawlinson representing the Duke
of Rutland, Sir T. G. Cullow, other landowners, and the
Commi►sioners of the Board of Trade, who bad entered appear-
ances against the line.
Mr. AUSTIN, Q. C., in opening the case, stated that the line was
one projected for the purpose of connecting the towns of Cambridge
and Bury St. Edmund's, by traversing a distance of twenty-five
wiles through Swan ham, :Moulton, and the important agricultural
districts between the termini. The country presented no engineering
difficulties whatever, the ix orst grsdients were] in 100, two very short
distances alone requiring even thosesteep inclines. As to the opposi•
thus he could scarcely understand its character or intentions; the Duke
of Rutland had entered an appearance against it because he thought
that the noise of the trains passing the paddocks at NeWmarket
would frighten the racing mares when in foal, and injure every
mid in ventye suoe "'twirls —(Laughter)---this was carrying to
railway legislation a point long discussed by lawyers respecting the
rights of property, and he could not imagine that the Noble Duke
feared lest the mares
.should foal their precious offspring with a
locomotive marked on the right shoulder I—(Loud laughter.)
Why, if the proximity of the trains would affect anything,
it would most likely impress the lucky colts with an emulation to
vie the railway speed, and thus enhance their value to the owners.
—(Laughter.) But the Noble Duke had actually assented to the
line, had attended a meeting of the Jockey Club, and expressed
his approval there ; and so, after passing
.the select committee of
that body, and coming before the present tribunal, it was met by
a most violent and unaccountable opposition. He would, in the
present stage of the proceedings, say no more, but immediately
call witnesses to prove his case.

Mr. Ranson, examined by Mr. AUSTIN—Is an ironmonger resi.
ding at Ipswich, employing upwards of three hundred hands. The
great proportion of his wares at pre.ent go to West Suffolk, Lei-
cester, Oxford, Cambridge, Lincoln, West Yorkshire, and other
consuming counl les. The cost of conveyance between.lpswich and
Bury is 18s. a ton for closely paektd, and 275.. for engines. Be.
tween the former town and Cambridge the cost of transit was some.
what about 365. a ton. By the construction of the line in question he
should Om:. a saving of 75 per cent over the present mode. Con.
siders the line most advantageously laid out, especially in reference
to the town of Ipswich regarded as a port.
By Mr. MaitriN—The import duty at present levied on mer-
chandise at Ipswich is Is. 6d. per tun fur coals, and proportionably
high for other merchandise . .
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Cross-examined by M. RawLiNsoN—A shorter route might be
selected for the transit of his ware to Warwick and the Eastern
counties, by Thetford, but as the trade is chiefly to the north,
Cambridge wo,ild be the more valuable point of divergence.
Cioss.examined by Mr. (41RDSN—Sends upwards of 300 tons of
good, annually to Bury, and more than 1,000 through Cambridge.
Does not think a line northward from Ipswich would be a means
of conveyance preferable to the water navigation.
Mr. May, examined by Ar. Illmovastro, QC. (who appeared in
conjunction with Mr. AUSTIN)—Is a toll.collectoi and coal-men.
chant at Ipswich, and considers the line from Ciimbridge to Bury
would materially benefit the trade from Ipswich to the eastern
counties.

Cross-examined by Mr. Glaortx—The freight between New.
castle and Ipswich is fis. 9d. a ton; besides Is. 6d: for dock dues,
and lid for corporation dues. The best coals could be put upon a
line at Ipswich at 17s 6d. a ton.

Charles May, examined by Mr. HILAYARD, Q C.—ls a cheese.
mongi r at Ipswich, and director of the line now Projected between
Bury and Cambridge. From Derby and holland the great propor-
tion of the cheese is procured, but the water navigation from the
former town is a very objectionable means a conveyance, and if a
railway communication were established with the Eastern or Mid-
land Counties, it would be far better than the present mode.
Mr. Bryant, a farmer and drover, resident near Newmarket,
deposed to the value of the proposed line through that town, and
to the produce and consuming population of the district. The
former witness alone would pay 1871. 10s. to the railway for the
carriage of barley, at the proportion he at present consumes, but
this amount would be considerably increased.

Mr. Bottom, postmaster of Newmarket, confirmed the evidence
of the last witnesses as to the importance of the line to that district;
and, the Speaker being announced at prayers, the Committee ad.
journed, at four o'clock, until twelve o'clock to-morrow.

GROUP L.

CHICHESTER AND BRIGHTON LINE.

The Committee on Group L, having arrived at the termination
of the cases of the Atmospheric Direct line and the Guildford,
Chichester, arid Portsmouth lines, this morning took the. Chichester
and Brighton line. Mr. E. B. Denison was in the chair, with the
other Members of the Committee present.
Mr. WIikTELEY appeared for the promoters, and after stating
that he would reserve his observations until the close of the case,
called _ _ _ _

vY
Mr. Bose, a member of the Town Council of Portsmouth, and
an owner of considerable property in the borough, who staied that
he believed that this line was quite in accordance with the feelings
of the people of Portsmouth, and was adopted, after the expression
of much feeling, by the greater portion of the inhabitants of the
town.

Mr. HILDICARD stated that this line had been adopted after a
public meeting of the inhabitants, convened in consequence of a
larger equisition. In addition to this fact, also, there was the circum-
stance that a petition had been presented to Parliament, signed by
more than 3,000 of the mast respectable inhabitants in the town
and neighbourhood. The construction of this line would open up
a great convenience to the inhabitants of the whole of that line of
coast. Coals, for instance, would be brought more readily and
and cheaply than by the custom now adopted of bringing them
coastwise to Chichester.
Colonel Williams, of the Engineers, stated that this would, in his
opinion, be a most im,ortant line for the connexion between the
several ports. Troops could be conveyed by this line, and con
dented on any particular spot, in the course of a few hours, and
on this coast, just opposed as it was to the coast of France, this
was an object which ought never to be left out of sight. The
electric telegraph was a feature of as great importance almost of
as much importance as the line itself. For the general objects of
the Government no better line could be laid out, and as a military
man he would say, that this line was of Inca culable importance,
and likely to be of great benefit to the country. •
Mr. Rastrick, the engineer of the-Brighton Railway, Mated that
the railway advantages of this line were pre-eminently great. It
was in fact a merely surface line, and offered no engineering diffi•
culties whatever. The main line would be 17 miles 7V, chains in
length, and there was a branch laid out to Fareham of something more
than six miles. The earthwork w ould cost 27,9611.; the crossings
of the public and turnpike roads he estimated at 33,6191. ; for the
permanent way, stations, and plant, 127,383/. 155., and for con•
tingences he had allowed 29,9371., making for the engineering ex.
pensis a ter al or 258,5001. In addition to this there was a charge
of 61,500/. for laud, m..king the aggregate expense 320,0001. The
revenue front passengers would be 19,6931. 88., and from goods
8.4451. Os 10d., making a total of 25,138/. Os 6d., gni deducting
from this 40 per cent. for working expenses, there was left a ba-
lance of 16,8831. Is. Bd., which would give a return of more than
5 per cent. on the capital of 320, MIL, the aggregate expenses of
the line. _ . .

Mr. Driver, the eminent land surveyor, testified to the accuracy
of the land valuation.
After some cross-examination by Mr. Sergeant Wasminsm,
Mr. WIIATELEY replied, and in the course of his observations,
stated that petitions fur this line had been sent from Portsmouth,
Havant, Bognor, Little Hampton, Worthing, Shoreham,
arid Brighton ; that from Portsmouth signed by more
than 3,500 persons, while only two had been presented against
it, one, from Bognor, and the other from Farehatn. This, he
thought, was a sufticie.it indication of ti.e public feeling on the
subject, and of the sense of their own interests which the inhabit.
ants of that great district entertained. With this observation, lie
would readily leave the decision of the case to the fairness, inde-
fatigable industry, and excellent judgment and intelligence of the
Committee.
The Committee then adjourned till tomorrow.