The Sun.
London, England, 1817-01-29 00:00:00

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It was trae tint ourcommerce had
ilithinisile,Mitt this was partly caused by the ge-
, nein' ptitrity!finrwhitti- the::''war had left all the
,coontriett of -.Europe. It wat :natural for men to
provide:themselves- with necessaries before they
porch-aged luxuries ; and .4ien it was recol-
lected that the people Of the Continent had to re-
build their houses And.churches,, and in somo
part* q,ren whole towns and cities, as well as to
repair the ravages that had been committed on
,tireir farms and estates, it most,,,,naturally follow
that they had not machtuperfluous money to part
With foe articles of 'our manufacture.• It was na.,
that !his'stagnation on the Continent should
produce similar effects at borne ; but it •did not
eause a total destruction.of-Onr eiimmerce, and,
QS soon as the stagnation was.removed,,our.trade
would be revived. It must be a cause of sorrow
to every feeling mind, to see the distress produced
by 'a variety of' unfOreseen circumstances ; but
these calamities were not peculiar to- our own.
eottatry 'they had been spread over every part of
theontiocut ; and, indepb what were otir cala-
Mitjert, compered with tho,e under which the
peopje of the Continent were • now • suffering,
w)iere 'whole districts Plthl been laid waste, and
every of property destroyed ?. Our, internal
distresses were produced by the exige4ciei'and
unavoidable circumstances of the moment, and as
soon as the tinpropitions season _bed passed away
we shoul,l recover aationtish... The neitimitit
he should advert 'to was the mischith excit«l 'in
the publia mindity harangues on topics' which
were above the comprehension of the'vulgar.—
(Ilear, hear, hearl)—llinl, indeed, must h: our
situation, cur distress wits sti great as be be-
youtl relief from the•wisdoin of that ii:Juse, and '
that it could only.4:relieved by tuniair:konß assent.,
binges of men of education mixing with. En,: is of no
education at ill, anti.ot hers of, no.principle,.who
were only actuated by blind self.intt, rest, di sapling
their followers into nets of violence which they,
never would have eoutnaitted-but at theirinstigit-
tion•. lint • what `reparation the agitators
make to these deluded 'people fur the hogs of their
liberty ?' -The' fact was, that they were iiKeihe.
fanatics °f old, who went about the iiittl4 in
one hand and the sword in the other,. poaching_,up religion rimier all mariner of' outrages andyex.7,
The, most therefore join most
Heartily in the senthnent of his Royal highness
respecting the disturbers tif. the public peace. Let
public peace and decorum. bepreserved. This was
the time to check that spirit of revekhajon,
minder whatever nanilc it wits- proinulgated, covered
n design which the inflammatorYdemagogoeiwere
earnestly labouring•to diect..(llear, hear, beat !)
This was the time to Orixste..that tlie, ebullitiiins
of popular clamour .bad (to, weight with else: lib
nity of the Semite
" Non cisitnn ardor pravtiulentium,
i 5 Meritis quint iutidit.!!

Wliatetici 'were the 'difficulties of,,utirsitnat inn, we.
should gain more by siteetitigAliain than
,by la-
p- +lig the 'past lie .shrinking,Trepi the future.
Is we should acquire all the • Ecnistt which is
clue to a nation that 'athipts th.e.kelttmoib. of meet=
ing its tfirflictilties, "and preserviucitlfrultuttr pttre
uttil untarnished.

. Me. l'oNsoNnY felt• it rteCev'arYlo•-'1"1"e, that
entirely Celtiit l,illd svith-mailv eiir obie'esa.
lions w iv! J.... 1) fitilen • t e :>;obliiigtivei .
tl
the Seeoodno of the Addrks: '
the _smallest 'ciisflOsition:th differ' froyit them r
speeting the gwiecal -tcr%/O
t ]iithicit they 'ay so
hlt7t ge 17) laiiiit\t;:infil ands. e-s• ':ak Y
glree:l tke in 'arat rite
fate of this -ednntry .Wat in thebaiiils..o.l .the. Pgier.
'lament, and on Abe j H
IrotYeedingi•Of that ouse
in particular rbitsftlepentliiilkappitiess
quillity. lie entireiy agreed with all that. bad
been said tespecting our victory at Allies'. He
also fully agreed with'- the paragraph of the
SpeeCh that related to whrif,had passed
England, - and wit not inclined to offer any
negative to the contents of the Speech" gene-
;
rally ; but he felt it necessary to protect, him-
self against being bonndlo approve entirely of all
which that Speech 'contained. He differed very
much in Lis view of one part of the subject. No-
thing_ in any Speech could be. lauppoqed to allude
to any thing but the adriee given to the Pripet..
Regent by his Ministers. As he kale(' it might
hereafter be his duty to make some observations
on this part of the Speech to-day, as well as on
that of last year; it made him anxious to be clearly
understood. He should therefore desire the Clerk
to. read Certain extraCts., 1 rom the 'Speech w filch
was made at the opening of the last Sesaing of
Piii.lianient.—[rhe Clerk rteeildirgly'read those
passages, which stated, ,that his. Royal Highness
*as happy to inform the 'House, that the manu-
factures, revenue, and"comineree of the country
Were in a ilourishit4; iOttilition, and assuring, the.
ilouse:of his Iliipositipti to concur in all nece,Aary'
Measures iof rettenclanent and' economy, &c.]—
'The Hott'se was DOW, its well es the nation, in a.
condition to judge what degree of truth was soar
'flitted In those tvVp taxer graphs. Last Session
ulster,* lit td Lice contidente to tell the two Houses,
diet our mantaiictinei, cottnneree, and revenue,
''ere in •a 11mill:41'1'6g:condition, and. in : no one
initaned that liaiirt•yet' come lO.tite knowledge
,Parliament, present—morneritlids,
there been' iiirtfiPig to pyci,,e' the truth of
their isiertionsi 1)0' More iniVticularly with res-
pect to 'their wisliee 'for eretincrmy.—Gentletnen
wool(' recollect;. that thife•Vstieno one
.tnot ion, for
ecolirnily made 100ession Wet was not:1000m ly
resistetr.--no'iioff6Witililot.'rerrenelonent in any
oncs.instanctt that.wat'rbr tOisteti
till tfie votes hi that thein iticoni2r
Piy with it, lie tlesii'ettOlienr4"‘Th know what ell.
tAirtoZerlhe tilkt the siinilar
dope held out in 111. e. Sifeetii this'Ses‘aion, %vault'
be'any better tertr -thaw' hist. It had
,keen on.
by rills Honourable Mo.ver
'and Seeotider, thin, Ourt`iliiitresseirfrail arisen from
.tkinporary-tattses.", He had no ffestreto exagge-
rate or extenuate, and was willing to 'hope, that
to a certain degree thisellistreases ;maybe ascrib-
ed to Conies called temporary': Bot_that the-great
diffictilty which lay tic' 'heavy ors the necks of
the people of this country-was attributable -to so-me of the causes that had .been alleged-he
wcctilil utterly and entirely ileny, •atni he WotAti;
prove it to the ''satisfactiou Of • the -House.
the last Session, when the Right Honourable' dentlernan opposite came to mine for the ex-

0
pences for the current servite of die,
1..
House was told, that Ministers had no.l
arrangements as woold meet the current v.,,
ii"-S. He would refer to the stateteen",'
Right Hon. Gentleman on that oFcisioni
would defy contradiction, for they 01'1
no man could contradict. In the toppio,
'llll were, amongst the rest. 3,000,00 a!
. 'acre inn with the Bank, 6,000,000/. 00.1
'ltecotu* with the Bank, t.5,660‘0001. 'urr
,r ill
• the grants, of . the- preceditig.year.. 414,4
also certain. small grants.' not worth 'menu°,
but that. by .-1% 1116 the Eight Hon. the Chi
of the Exclierpter made a great Pair Cs
. means, was 3,000,0001. of surplus °I t"epor4
lidated Fund. Now let us see said Mt., iti
by) how far events have verified the Iti,:gt
notwahle Gentleman's predictions; II i
the surplus- of the- Consolidated. la,"
it any thing ? lie wnuld-say it was natlitlkii
Stead ',f three millions,: there Wir9ll°l,
all. .'We', bad' from the Houriuroble Nilo.
...ScOnder'sorne just otpterrations nn the no
ail ip.p.lerving the public
rank,' ready than I himself to agree with 31,
this respect; but- lie would say, tiult
credit
to preserve" our faith with the public id,
longer "existed. Your Sinking Fund (n",iti
ItiOa 'faith ; and no Poo
Honourahle Gentleman), as the li"1
redeeMing your public debt,' nu longer e 5-1 tie
real Sinking Fond means this-3 Fund "11,64
Bien tin nebtor to diminish hi' debt. Cal
lii,,
any timing eke ? Has it any other, tneani"g.if 0
'a Sinking Fund . that leaves you e'"°'(s Ito
round you, dOes.nof,desers";e the name, l' tO
telievetlnit-ffiorn one debt,- by cattbiog )°ll, to
tract annther of an equal atnoont. Ile ~.,ulna
tract
thettil t
stnitttli:
ire:tilt:vitt:lf::
ethaeti
iiiiitirenetki iialtilig.itdiFen n: . Supply'
a iA d"; itist 11" E'-'s
41.1;°:
peoditure, it would trot answer ‘-
l't
the tfi:tier IPJ;1 !4
tepold not he sufficient: yi,i are therr(lllVo
the Ilightllon. Gentleman) no richer bY {:0
ration. .If yon are to borrow everylOr 'roil
as the Sinking Pond increases, it is eit.'"' tillot
can derive no
.advantage, This is ectet,:cio
•State 4 N'osv, Sir, does this verify the r.id
:141Yrn ,by the•ConintissiOners, to, rhe Thr°beLi
•Yelr).., Does this prove the country
(bee'
ll"fishitig condition i Yon are now in t'',' to
9f. a C01111!ry: WitliOUt a reVelltle. 17°1'1,11110e
part, he really believed that it wo"P. he tie
sary to borrow more than two tuiltioes' 1.,V
whole of . the Sinking Fond were t° beo
"1.
to-nforrbw„ . It nas in vain, therefor`' 1.4,1
f the revenUeOf this enun i rY, for there vase;
none. Was this .(lien,; a temporarY ,cu'lll
our distress ? Was this caused by the 'for
from %.1-',l4r to n!ace Ministers most.h.4.'
th,ip hist Session*, as 'wen ..as tin' knew'ltt; rt.
. In his opitioni the greater Part of our a%lati
„did uot iirise'leorifeatises -of a temporarln ill!'
wouldamidl t'bbeegitiZiysewf i.tillitel j.
gtielii is iet shte dlell7n.ii'tilen s.°:li• ''
were. silly. plough 'to,tell the
tie ...awe
.01 their distrm:. there. teas iit'! le 0
felligeto wan in England. who mould beiglicW°l
The real, ~., 'se was' the immensity la Vig. d",s iii
tu'iat.i°ll. i'hir Wai.the cause, rind it '''', t 9
to talk
,uf • any thing ,efse. fie Woad 9"'nflo
I,lle fltS.idittY of the 1.40,”te, in order lot': d
tile I lie. tnitads,of .the pec:.'..., sv,is ; to sPri'" I,te
to them; and the next dilly s Cf1.0442)441t,
tlortiy .and refiletic h men t -.1. c:r'BA,t.,(l)titil 'l', 1::6, i':
'•..lliitts6(.ti‘i'llOgetel litli°olll 1)i su?eal adapted
tt.ceoll: I.l‘fi theltlle' incly' es ier (:)1 's'i
( )tfl ir'etni'pli'se's"P‘l"j:"(ll,;;(4.l.
:*ll°LiCiiiiinbf:etlite"flirigtallio ft °;leaseisgeirt'itiofghPncin:neP.nictict)lllee'l'till'ill'ell'ilo''ltiltl
!r)eupbrloicac;itelideidoirdi7itingkngoinvienthal:i'shesaepttiliiodo ei,',;'
,) arts. tin:,
(even
vre
ell i
nsi i .
ti i 'nit
ntt
ii
yi
eet
.:pi
'thee
hnepresentp rie House
iiit
l il
;Ministers
LI e
most a n t x 0 owb
that
Ili
t: It itti s'444t/o.
must' come to :it deter
mil " 'file
. ~ vigilant Representatives of the ,Licil
justite,• and to entrust tie mode of 41(iing,,: IP!
Other hands than their own. By atti"t,,":(.9.,
the Honse would endanger the /cuss of "1.,:00,
Bence which it ought to be most desirous nroe- di
in;;. As for relief, in what branch of ."I,.,ireti
it be looked for ? Was it in our inaw.„ll°l,-"tagl
ottr commerce ?, There were in that 1-1"e:,-,jill
bets of commercial men of =re it ill
Would any one of them now venture told
,iiiiiilteirs:i ~
be
coo nty:110eitiy!ii:10:104101
up` and -assert that he entertained en,',.,00
or, speedy, relief frOm the. reviv3l of e°ll-011
::„1 tit; fact was, that 'we could. look far i;g .#
provement but amongst ourselves- spoil!
in that Howse alone, that-any .improvealloil!
ibe made, by .showing that no . !written 'iio,,i
aid on the people. which -can. by any fatly
be dispensed with, or taken off consisteeirjil
the ,safety. of the country, We (1 l'ea./01
ilinisters had some thoughts of making :11'a "''
t ttetioos in the public expenditure. ;vlifj
wisher/ they had thought of it sooner' t 011.,/
they stick last year to .all the abuses tht-0
.generally complained of ? '. But nothinf,
°i, iti,u
up last year, and nOthing,was iniket teas :
war ot rettenchmen4. till the House at
assembling. It was, fruni appreitensiortoni‘
Meeting of Parliament, and .not' frOrs/ el 11''
' site of their own, that they hail 1(01-.,
.0.0,
wishes , for. economy ; and was it o'l4
e ntrust such projects in their haw,i PI
had proved that their disposltion we'colitiA°
to maintain, if not .to increase our ell,P r‘o ri
~_ He kTW.w. not what induced Minist4P tot:
i if fl
1"
it ,
,nlee.tiog of Parliament so I°°''''sine..,4l
r, of Its assembling,. If theY wer foi,,hs
{
ill
, .words "they ut hoe, his. Rom. or
Month, it wont have been the better it tftfl
thei sooner the Parlitiment had met' flitf I
)I,ive been better for them to prove fe' fel
recant to reduce the public ex pood!inn'osic )1:4
higher they would then have-risen,"h telltio
ea(ithatp,n. He believed that thei,"'"lloentr,l
House were such as the Right fo% • 110"0
.end Ida associates would much- sP9,na; 014
:o..ff to-the last extremity ; and tbe re- fib l'e ‘IJI
!)o, p.orit'llet(vi iihnlatt.ln'alertlisism°oennetrnittiegbfitrm,,finlY.t ii:teotr:ie',l4l'l
001114 to his Majesty's Ministers. ' w 1.1(40[11
. g). ti ,s Ado ‘,1,1
rfliall. t;rtethpentrectud lan nitm:dietillYdrntiferntQutol tiat: a:sh°°:ll'
Pre he read it he must repeat, that ',ft r'
the determination of the "louse to 't•

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tult'ret,..and ant to lest -sa.tfsfietl: *Alt tte
act of 11uoistels,- but 1. Ott rniAt's
intoa.vti.l.le:was sore 1L,2 peopte
!disposed to look up to that ,;louse for telieL
're else should they 'look for it ?. Au& if it
Id but take their affair's on itself, we should
in) fear (if the power of designing Men, to
to Iti. flat if We were not persuaded to 'tIO,;
'We should lose, in a great degree;the People*,
'truce, and a state of things would take plietrisi qiiwould ereate more despondency and doll
than now existed; while we should have iessi:,
ity to 'afford site!' relief as was absolutely •tie
ty. with this view, be should, propose as.
Ainenthilent—
'That we have seen with the deepest concern
tuntinnance of embarrassments in our agrictil-
'ittomaractares, and cotninetee, and the alarm-
!lle6eitticy iit our revenue, together with the
4;""Plril distress that pi evails amongst all
nu!) of his 'Majesty's faithful subjects'. That We.
'""rtthtless ready to inultilge•.tli.: hope that
t-!,lllstress is only of It temporarynatute, 3n,(1,
['tale tit some
lint that we Sit °Witt',
clis'autrge our duty to his 11.byal
41'toautenauced the dangerous delusion; that the
431 was not more extensive in its operation,
~41°It difficult to be removed, than that which
'!, prevailed at the termination of any former-
It that we are firmly persuaded the people
oil° 'haw the same exemplary patience, and con-
Ittell Put the Government under all such
"15 " ttcre indispensable ; but that it ought
.1 14,4,1
t t'tiathis noose, that the sacrifices they
lett- on to nuke were strictly necessary for
sliiiiifirt
I,:r' (!f the Slate. That we regret that his
e Iligli"rst has not been sooner advised to
641,17rtncliments, particularly in our military
Nt
in ntakjn N
; and we htipe chit Mt time will be
it
,'4OOll. a strict inquiry into the State of
"
It ntjt;;tli: 111/I°4E liartinnsT argued in favour of
address, which, he contended,
amendment unnecessary.
oilglgvtrsat Iltutian haul chiefly dwelt no the speech
he
tae 0041114s...toners last year; skin
4 Ow itr':"".. 3 considerable time had elapsed.
c •1, '1" oar commerce was truly stated as
b '
vr lit the argoinellts on the speech ofl
tat iott, "e not strictly applicable in the pre
tit. might hate been argued at
Pen 'Bl Ills Royal Ilighlitss should hose
1
I' • ""l'ttl to
14'44% to 0 farther, and direct Ills
ti I: 1a r objects of reduce ion. 4
h,
Ministers made Any specific ,
io Ike
„I''‘.llt that considerable reduct ions suit-
sa tut be
".4111! 11,1te,141111311Cti of the Country I kd
wrge blue 'f
ni" t he public expeuttio
"
tam,,,,linw they had adviled his Royal High-
rjel,e‘pe,cl,4et(l,l; stateinnta cootained in the pre.
411.14'llent, and to notice defi:
""f4tit,tte-4,"reeelfuoul the Address Inmanrecod
the ~.Irl t" the income and expendittlt,‘
ttio% itivY a"( 1 serion) attention of Parliament'
l rt„otigations and, inquiry were therefore
Ittitli 4,i:1144440, with the expression of an
itilitee the expellee of our coil-
wi4illiet, ler it could be done in con-
a'n' policy and the. safety of Ille
12,til ,`,14 tliese passages ()film Speech have.
t_t,' (16rjli I,o,l'slitlisters, sinless they were sin-
-114, allcl prepared tO act npon
th,hs proa
ost-
t "'414141„, use, and to submit prop
them,
11 LliPtut %toll", that the hostile ',plight really
141qi9 the consideration of the
Ni!,',lrdies. The whole of the 'tight
„41'1;11t141 dif6a.l,eet't Speech was concerning
"Speech Liles and retrenchments.
la }tight )111d never have come into it, had
:41Irtmer. ; "4, Priem!, the Chancellor of the
""e to 0; Int"'uted at hit early and convenient
441 , °Pale c. ;" Pit nitimittee of Enquiry. It
.1;11 11, alight Y. "14 had not been done sooner
~I,lr be possible in a concern so.
this ''• of Well magnitude as the of-.'
,i4irch a matter must., stn
"ark
elt," Of tithe, tinter
4 e, in to 1)1114, tt
„ hirable .1
tent "OPe. it was intimated tl4-!,Plrity,
11Hit I not e II ,t; I
sooner -because p,ttt
no thought it wntild derange...l heir
(1,412,e Itte revel 11.'1'4 !plancould' be discussed 11114 tiotil the Eirittitth.s were fire""
gul'i'very scroir!be laid 'reruns) • he.
644 Y agrt
the whole subject would ha,
ActiLl 'h: The prodnetion pr. tlitt_ Lsti
~,•tat followed lip by a motion.—
F'"111,1,1:11-1,Y ‘‘,4),111:1 1:1'lectl, that the situation of the
tequireul t ) be it
"'IQ
th, tro.. ,
'IL 1'1134,4 t. alit! carefully' than he could at,
trs latttit,ll. 114. e attmlyt to enter into it•—
1 1444'4(14 '`lt.,irctiti,4thvices connected with our.
f ill "IN 111 r
.ist -vest 11 I tires would require
s,tti 41)(64,1 . the internal state. of things
very desirable • thia Gentle.
h.lvr
aisle to att.,.
v as much as possible
if 'It!! ibt"i's.als country magistrates in ditTerent
w‘ flight floe'"gtl ~,tee with
f lettit4 ,ritor4l,l. could,
titi, n Jetliner tit,taiaing of re-
d Ma'no'r in 1,114 entirely to he a clear sur. Itt it views, by which the .'hole
nest considered eonsidered deficient, lint
rt tvg,,m otereasinK our debt, and
11i,‘,141x",e.."1,0-Ily 114 Sinkingyittnl.
lit 11 that so,,iett ."'lllner hall intimated own
to "ug beneficial would be done.
IN iste hi,
b„1,117, otat but
• expectations realized. Ile
`4,,tl4,,dtda ; but !ere nn surplus to redeem
5.,4 tht leo
of lie had abstained from showing
`r'l so leuiporar nat • and what.
• the y me,
'44 vsouse had not yet seen what,
lad ahead
Frt„ itted with one, Our were they
oise.plle Whitt Government intended,
tg)itet4jA tlr o the
)n. 'gilt Hon, Member had scarcely ,
interttil I"rat diSlfe3sCti situation of the
4.1 al. I,„eft. which would yet • lid lc-
tnis and ‘.4 y. cow
e'a'ses "'St Year, from various and
!°' " ' there was a diminution in the'
til:r44,l,eriiel,c.tuutualed, owing to the Priva-
L, Atilt... IN ,CI,IOIIIINES if
I %Mit' at pre, • was not possible for
44, tt% he I
,e!tt to poretiOse AO litany cons-,
IN in '"ci been at to .611"Iffiot , enstOnted to do. That
.11 tutus! ante and we ought
1,4,q clop, ‘4llat the . itself •
*44';„ milli oeason yaw !earl been.
tylithi"d rarfiecr4,e6' I", hail suffered by not
IN 4s ‘,„
nntlethiu
„ more, it was
ats 'oe eon " 'l' le the corionercial
41,
ntry !st tf, b Ault be ow
'hi
intit tlecred.‘„.4 (trot, that kvb.
1410 11.141 u°t Pf nesSe thin, but',
utt of our mattinggs COW-

lfriTelati 'interests. \ilea tlre :exports vat
ion
.cAstopep. pewits ing fewer ell our
.tints'`
anodities, a stagn,ktioil tiatimilty:ocetirttaL:Aiuoic-‘
ing tit measures that 'might J)e adopted, and at the
internal wealth of the. country, With the altera-
tions that mighttake-plaCe in Europe, he felt dis-,
posed to look forward with hope anti confidence.
Conceiving that the Speech and the Address,con-
rietned pledgei front :Ministers, fo7 the very. saute
Ail* which the Right Hon. Member wanted,Und
,thaq the House would ,hereby•have the -full.tbene-
fit of an investigation, his object, wonld be
attained without,his*Arnendment ; and that, too,
in a more regular and effectual manner. it had
not been possible to arrange matters earlier : be
Aunst therefore hope the House would th:ak they.
had gone far enough by voting the Address as
originally proposed by the Noble Lord, without
amendment.
Mr. LaMar the Noble ,Lord who had
opened, this debate, and. who had done it with
much ability, had gone too far when he ventured
to
;express exultation at the present..situation of I
the country. One topic io..the Speech he felt to.
he a subject of exultation, the promptitude
which theexpedttion to Algiers bad been sent out,
and the complete success which .had attended its
Operations. The Seconder he, however, thought
had also gone too far when he Velltured• to assert
'that what we had done -against Algiers wool('
prove to all Europe that there, was nothing selfish
in the policy of England, and .that she was ever
ready to exert her power in the cruise of those who
Were suffering front injustice and oppressiothr---:
Others, he feared, would ,be.disposed to answer
this, by calling on them to turn their eyes to what
had been the conduct of England in Europe j---
to What site had done against itijusticeland op-
pression in' Spain and other countries but into
this be wished not at present to enter, But if
the expedition to Algiers had been undertaken
Simply to relieve others, it Might have met with
less cordial . approbation from: him thins he con-
sidered tai be (Inc to it now. 'The interests of
England were thoie which he ' considered it .the
duty nt: that House to piomote; but When.we
triumphed, where vindicating our Own bottom we
could•rescne or-avenge those who-were onpreased
no rights could be mistaken, where no
'Wok Could be entertained, no censure could
, .
eppiy indeed,, we had cause for ex.,'
.ultatlon. It was true the experience of for-
nter times, of ages now priti. forbid its to
do more than entertain a warm hope I:that
ontrages like those which we had felt our-
selves called upon to chastise, would not he re-
peated, hot it-could not he denied that a principle
had been established that ought' to be for. ever
upheld. Here he was afraid congrattilation must
end, for no -ether topic of,exultation could he dirt.;
Cover in the course of the: Speech. One phrase
' lie 'c7bj,,:cted to, as it seemed to speak of the pre-
-3'oeqt. distress as the consequence of thew,
.of
"Ifostilities, rather :than of the dhat-
t
effect produced by 'the termination of hostilities
so soon t Ather titan as the result of their hav-
ing been continued so tong. The cause of all
was undoubtedly the war: If the war bad been
uojustly undertakeu—or if favourable opportunities
for brioging it to a satisfactory termittation had
been lot, then, ti;ltlonlitedly, might the present.
calamity be ascribed to those who had.:begun the
wear, or neglected to conclude; a, peace ; brat if
we had notiheselltings to complain r4,.the press ate
now' experienced, hOweirer great, must be regardCd
ae thrtavoidahle, and ()right to be submitted to with
patience. It ought not to be forgotten,. that
while the Contest wat'yet undecided, it was often
pkclicted, that though the cOntest was one of
gieatdanger and difficulty; thOugh success win
often doubtful, yet it did not produce site')
embarraismeols us would occur when pcause
eaee
should return. War, hOwever,. was the
41all the calamities we 'had to deplore, though
~,Play, were not, pressed: :strongly.yon our
watas
-
,tention. till the restoration, of peace 6 He
of opinion the great object the House ought
to have in view was to
:maintain public ore.;
dit. There was not only danr in breaking
;faith with the public creditor (agen idea of which
had got abroad), not only would this subject us to
theioss of honour, credit, and power, but no re-
liehvould be afforded to the people :on the d
coounr.
e:
trary, it would increase them pro Moto, an
-case would be more.hOpeless than ever. They,
had not merely to reition on this ; proofs could be
furnished by referring tO what hail actuallyaken
Itittce... Some years ago thqe was a .great cry
Milos; the great profits of the landed irate-.
ret the general •
.complaint was of the
vanee hunt taken place on rents, and
rut the enormous profits of the land .proprie
tor: Now all this was remedied, the rents
Were reduced sufficiently low; and no discontent
existed on that sohieet ; hot- was anybody the
better for, the change ihat hadtaken place ? .11e
(lid not say that some few might opt gain by lie
but the many were in coosequenee reduced to dis-
tress and ruin.. PreciselY the.*atne results might
be anticipated front breaking faith.Witit the Public
creditor.. He hoped such a crisis would he
averted, and that we should meet th.edifficn coinrageties
.
our situation with roper, firtnnetis and
p
He trusted that tilitristers 'were prep
the make
the reductions which were now becorneneeessary,
and that the Oldie were prepared to _hear
therm, He did net...mean- its make an awttet e f
aek on
the conduct of the natino, but-the-peoply e o
ten .disposed to ask for What the slid
now-enr
did not like-
to have. Torning off . the. .ntunbe
aged in, the public serVice must: tend to ag-
VilliateAistress which now pressed on the
prior. Th the
ose discharged, many of thrent .atleast
who bad been long in.the-service, Ayoubd he found:
unfit ,for most other employments, lie did
be
iN
nOtt
urge this as a reasony they shoold not
but
missed. It was paitiftd wqt,:,to
must be done. 11'he Right [ion. Geotlemanear ln ad.
said,
,the Addreis, if agreed to
lectired y
all that could. be expected if the Amendment were
carried. ilelunl skid the Speech desired that the
House Should take into 'their considerations the
state of. the income and of the extientlitine of site
citintry. This',llO.we'ver, to'him (Mtionawrnhe to) dbe
id
Slat appetir sufficient. A great distincas
foSiti4 between the Address and the Ain
theetoltnent
of
Aqs,4tl the House to
.go fully into finances
PkrcionntrY, and With theSe he wished true politica
.
ited eQuiniercial sit-nation to be considered. Our

iile.rtitir.p.,!;eY, 'too, Iv: .the
inquiry. He would svish. tO cvooine :the ett!e of
the whole Of our Colenies---4 lie. ex penceof them—
the policy on their atrair3 Weft: Collthleted,
the great extent of our tql itury, forivhiChsaat
Increase:Of 'expenititure 'was it,c.urred, arid aboVi
all, our ‘vliole Clll
01lierCial tyNtem. Th is he
• ,
thought ruitst naturally w,ant revision. t rlt6s
not to be exPeeted that what hall been' adapted to-
wer would be found suitable th'a state of peace,
.New regulations must beoecessary, and he there..
fore witilied.lke Reuse to take .the whole ;sub-
jecC into, its consideration, to
.ascertain .what
course it would be wisest to pursue under exist-
ing circumstances:. It was. certain that on the
conclusion of allthe-former Treaties of. Pettee, the
taiture of our revenues, and the 'overwhelming
Of- the .nation by taxation; had been predicted ;
hot, tbe. prediction bad not been verified. Etc
would, .however, tisk, if these things, w.hen utter-
ed now, had not o.thousand times more force than
ever belonged totbein 'before % They nnwbeconie
really alarming, and he held lt.te. be most un-'
statesmati-like to assume,. that because they had
heretofore proved untrue, 'they must of necessity
turn 'out to be false now Before he sat down he
thought it necessary to notice one enormous evil;
which threatened to eat the vitals of the ceuittrY; he
meant the Poor Laws. The seats no,weolletited under
these were repitlly growing of to the amount of
the Property 'lax, and the collection of them
was ten thousand titnes more oppressive: In the
collection, the grossest abuses might be traced,
the greatest pattiality and Injustice delectetL
lie
thought they ought no longer to be collected by
the; parochial authorities. These might berm-
trusted The chsrge when the
.Poor-rates did
not umennt to snore than 4 or 5 000,0001. but
ought not to fie permitted to collect,a tax striihntit;,
tug ;o 11,000,000/. The Amendment proposed
by his Right Hon,„Frtentl appeared to him a good
no Amendment sts could have been proposed, and
it would,.; therefore, have his most cordial support.
Adverting to the late tumults, he declared that his
reverence for the popular parti of our Con-
stitioki but
n WAS SeCIVId tO that of no man ;
at the same time when lie saw poptilar meetings
or bodies of men bursting into tumult, he was for
their immediate suppression. This he considered
to be that which was most conducive to liberty
itself. for his objection to yebellion mils not merely
that plunder mill bloodshed were its attendnnts (for
these, if not its-first object, it always picked up
iu
its way), but he hated it as a liar;.which promised
freedom, but never tailed to bring tyranny; and
finally intro4need despotism, of which the people
were glad to claim protection
.frOM greater her.;
rers.—(llenr, liettr4)
Mr. C. Gitssyr thought that the stibleet of eco-
nomy; would fall folly into the consideration of
the Committee to which the Estimates would he
referred. The commerce and colooies of
,the
country, the state of our •exports and imports,
would likewise be brought
.within the 'considera-
tion of Parliament, without adopting the present.
ametoiment. With respect to the Poor Lawi, 'it
was unnecessary to: pledge the -House to any In-
quiry bah them, as en Hort. Member had last Ses-
sion offered a motion on the subject, which be ,
pledged himself. to bring. forward in this. lie (Mr.
G.) allowed all theimpartsnce ot the subject. He
did pot think that the Right Hon. Gent, had laid.
sufficient groom! .for his amendnent, Adverting,
to the observations made by ti
tombe) on the cause of our 'present
dist re-;ses,.. be (Mr. ict.) could not agreelthat
the war, was the cause. Ile attributed them to
causes deeper in their ctperetiou, and more distant
from continent view; It bad been said., that the
transition from war to peace,would• explain all
our embarrassments, sand to this opinion, when
guar.led and testricted-hy prolier interpretatiotis
and limitations, he was disposed to subscribe.
The war forced upon us a state„ in ~which e
obliged to depeoil our owl! resources ; the peace
restored us to onr connection with' the' rest of 'Eu-
rope, and enahle...us to 'ohtain the supplies which
it was cepatile of eiording. A demand was tints
•
created foe the productions of our own soil quite
unprecedented ; and an incalculable impulse was
given to Igrieultiirel enterprise. We coultlobtain
~o cornfrom abroad, and tile produce Of Our own.
soil, tone enjoying the monopoly of our own mar-
kets, first rose in price, and by the rise in price
stimulated agricultural industry to increased
votion, till we arrived .irta height of agricultural
prosperity never before attained by any usher na-
tioo. The return of peace, by opening a connection
With foreign coOnt ries better ad:silted fort he p
than of grain, soon lowered the price of that article,.,
andled to the , agricultural distress which, began
to be felt immediately on the terieination of hos-
l'he Corn Bill became necessary, and by
the operation of the CorO Bill, as it at present
stands, our agriculture may be expeeted again to.
improve. The scarcity at the present season
would 'lead to increased cultivation the next, and
contribute to the same effect. The•Horotrable
Member. (7,,1r:rG,.). said, lie would, lc to
the ,breaches of the peace, and the distill bnances
which bad been so eloquently discussed i the
.soceCh of the Honourable Geutleman who had
preceded himi the debate.. all topics Most
dear to Flnglistinten-;-.Megna.Cbarta, and the Bill
.I.light s—wcre brought for Ward deinagego
yides,)
not for the purpose of We' peopfef %
en attachtneet to their privileges:and their., rights,,
but for irritating, poisoning, and Misleaditng their
inintls---111,eae, hear !)-=lie was one of those Who-
we'd& oat minfoutid the 'Ciinscientintis friend of
fri;etfotu and 'reform with such persons 3: hhe lilt • h
ed
e
thought sitifertunete; that they should
to lend themselves as tools to strengthen the power
of those who'svonltlri(loll discard them as too Yea-.
sortable' atemederate, and tithe she game into
'their Own hear 1).
'fire' Lion. Member was proceeding, whesYuer
was interrupted by the unnunciation of a Message
front the Lords.
ATTACIt "ON TUE parsprupuENT. •
•• M t
„-The,MeSserigers were •adirdtted, and the es-
sage was read „to the following. effect :—` That
nference with' .the House
itnhetilaieorrilaiitirter Clittaa il
rnber,.on a solnect
1 alHighness Prince
of his toy Oic
hohour and dignity. .of Parlia,ftteectgietingt:b:ns(eiftehtye-,
• IA
Doti„The: -51.6”ge
,atp4cti, that " owing to