The Sun.
London, England, 1817-03-19 00:00:00

LOT rEnt ES.

Mr. LYTTLETON knew that in bringing forward
his present motion, he had to contend with in my
prejodices. Many u.roalti object II; dispense With
au easy auntie money, >tn l it should
again be told, that at a time uviten supplies were
some!) wanted he must either point oat to the
Chancellor of the ISAchetpier anOther method of
raising an equal sum, or give up his Motion.
There was a degree of levity prevailing op the
subject, of which he could not approve. So long
as That feeling continued, it must prove fatal to
a motion like his own. Gradual conviction
alone could get the better of these prejudices.
It would also be said, that the Lottery was a vo- ,
lotary, not a compulsory tax, which the people
paid cheerfully. He should cloture against it the
Reports of two Committees, after One of. which,
Mr. Pitt had agreed to give up-the tax ; but the
revolutionary war having broken out, Lotteries
were continued. He their contended that the tax'
was as unprodtictive as it was immoral, aiid full
of abuse in lire manner in which it, was raised.
,Its produce, last year had been 558,0001. hut lie
thought that 500,000/. was the utmost which
could be expected on an average. This solo was
raised at an enormous expence, for 570,0001.
were spent to produce 500,0001. so that in, fact
it cost more to the riblic than it paid to the EX-.
chequer. Ile complained of the'system of decep-
tion in which Lotteries were conducted, and ad-
verted with severity to the scheme now contained
in :he Gazette, nany
„prizes of which were not
prizes of stock or cash, but of tickets for they
next. Lottery, so that the real amount of prizes,
in frard money, Was (mow. instead of
200,060/. and the chances were seven tootle against
gaining a prize. He did not know with what eyd
the Rigist llou. Gentleman opposite (the Clian.!
cellor of the Exchequer), a !Mill exemplary in pri
rate life, could look upon the present system. It
was incredible how many fra.uls were,practised in
the Lary. lie complained of its being dr two
by poor
,cloldren belonging to charities,' who were
thus brought up to the dishon ourable practice of
ganibling. tie also thought it wrong that ii should
be drawn at night, and that those who should
have watched to Prevent any fraud at the time,
should have been engaged in dinners and itit'oxica-
don. lie reprobated the doctrine of turning vice ,
to public account, and making it a source of reve-
nue. He maintained th, if the present sdcretary
to. the. Lottery were di'•ootssull, the Hight Hon.
Gentlenian would, find no Barrister to take his
place'r—Tbe Chancellor of r Ext.:loopier had last
'year 4rgtie.l, that the scum, I.f Isis Lottery made
it impossible foe ju.tur people to, speculate 111 it,
because, the price of tickets and shares in it Was
larger than they could elifOrd ; brat In auswer to
this he (Mr. L.),,easseitcd, that had been
established clubs audl.ocitotes tor receurikg-sd-n.;
Seriptions to purchase -shares in tlie lottery.--
As to the yatroluage which Goverioni nut had
by the maintenance of louteiles, it consisted
of two offices of 5001. a year, five, of 3501. one of
2501., 21 of 2001., amid six of 1001.; and he
tained flat all,Atese offices, were .sinednres,, or,
!neatly so. There was a!sp a large lottery esta-
blishment in Ireland, where mu lottery had
been drawn for sixteen yea's.--To the patron-
age;Hand the not ion that it was beneficial to'
the revu nue, he attrihnted the continuance of the
'lottery system. He also noticed, that the. City of
London had petitioned against • it. He was par-
ticularly anxious, at the present time, that he
situ old succeed in putting down that system, from
a conviction that be- would .do a benefit to, his
country—beranse he thought the policy of it was
as false as the morality was unsound;, With this-
view he would move the following Resolutions,
which were more moderate than those which he
bad last year, moved on the same subject, and whist),
had been objected to as containing some expres-
sions too violent. He,„thei moved the following
Resolution
" That by the establishment of State Lotteries a spirit of
gambling was encouraged,
_which abated the moral strength
of the State, anti would 'ultimately diminiih, its financial re-
sources; tool that this House would no hunger support the
establishment of state Lotteries, under any system or modi-
fication whatsoever."

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER observed,
that as the Hon. Gentleman had set oitt by saying
that this was not a time when anyAneasure should
be aclopted, the tendency of which would be
to cut off any branch ottthe revenue, so he would
now ptit the same thing to the House, and he
trusted that they would on this come to the battle
decision as on other occasions On the same sub-
ject, especially as the HOn. Gentleman had, not
favoured them with tiny thing new in support of
his motion. The Hon.. Gentleman, on this occa-
sion, had not dWelt so much upon general prin-
-ciples as on details, and in all of those details into
which he had entered, he had endeavoured to
point out objections which did not apply to the
general system. All these objections might be
remedied or entirely removed. As to the princi-
ple, the Hon. Gentleman had' Contented himself
with merely inveighing against it in general terms,
and had Called it unprincipled and mischievous.—
In principle the system was one to which he haw
do moral objection which could be taken by any
but those who held that till games of chance on
any occalion were *lawful, and that was a doc-
trine which very few, even a. the moat severe
Moralists, won( maintain. If it was allowed
that games of chance could be trnk. at all
lawful, they coed not' certainly be in a more
unobjectionable shape than under the, ref:1'111-
i tit State Lotteries. It was certainly true that
there were a few instances of persons in very
desperate circumstances rendering their situation
worse by venturing in the Lottery ; but it there
were. no State Lottery, persona of that disposition
would not want mestis of ruining themselves.•• He
had never argued (as it hut been alleged of. him)
that private vices might be made public virtues.

But lie did expect the [twist to keep r. walclului
eye oir,every part of the-Gotterrsystem ; to re-
medy,.by enact 'news, any. error which might.-grow
up,hi it. That this had been the principle on which
the "louse had -acted,-he skewed by narrating the
impro'vements whiehliad beets made in the Lowery
system since its first:establishment,. especially by
removing tire objections to the almost infinite di-
visibility Of thy tickets, and brlimiting the period
during „Ivhich the.draWing and so det-
stroyiugthe pernicious practice of insurance., fie
as a great proof that State Lotte-
ries diminished the practice.ofgamblung among
the lower classes, that in the interval be-
tween' the drawing
,of the State ',Lotteries,
'eHvate gauillning -among the lc, ever classes by
Lillie and ctlierwise, was found always very
aluich to increase. 'There could, therefore,
be no doubt, that it State' Lotteries were put down,
that these*practiceS.wonld increase to an iucalcu-
lable extent. Even at present it was difficult to
Prevent. the sale of Tickets in Foreign,Lotteries.
He then vindicated the nature of the Offices held
by different individuals on,: the Lottery Este!,
blishment, and, alluding particularly, to what had
been said by the Honourable Gentleman respecting
the situation•of Secretary to the Lottery,.that he
haul no doubt, if a vacancy in that Office was to
occur, be could find many among his old friends
at the Bar who would be glad to fill it, who
would fill it creditably—as creditably
.and as he-
"neicially for the public service as it uwas now
filled by the individual who so respectably filled
it. As to the extent of the establishment and the
expellee at ..which it was maintained, lie bad only
to obServe, that considerable redactions had al-
ready been made in it, and that it- was likely that
more might be made. With respect to the Irish
Lottery, the Hon. Gentleman, in candour, ought
to have stated, that as the situations in that esta-
blishment became vacant they were not filled up,
and that they were continued as a compensation to
the individuals when the separate Irish Lottery
had been given no. It was certainly true that
the City of London had petitioned for the abo-
lition of State Lotteries, but their zeal in ~this
cause was not of a veil, long standing, for it
was not very long since the City a London had
obtained Acts of Parliatnent for three Lotteries,
on a scheme:fae more unfavourable to the purcha-
sers of tickets than the State Lotteries ; and
therefore they were, in the language of the Ho-
amirahle Geetlemaii, on a scheme more fraudu-
lent, deceitful, and fallacious. As loth; financial
part,of the linestion, it was whether a system so
unobjectionable, which produced 500,0001. a
year, even on the adniission of the Hon. Gentle-
man, could be put down without inconvenience—
whetlier this was a time when we could give up
such a portion of the revenue Without any substi-
tute. Jf the Hon. Gentleman would. come for-
ward and propose any other means by which such
a sum could be raised from the people in a way
leSs,objectionable, and that was less felt by all
classes, then he would not set uple to ne,rree to his
Reschitions. Rot feeling most strongly that there
was no way more advantageous to the nation. by
which a sum 'cool,' be raised for the public set,-
Vice, at:II that 11:e effect of Lottries was to represS
ganilding iii Sts noust mischievous and immoral

sitar, henttist give Iris nuts; decided negative to
the Resolutions.
-6ir-3. Ito:art:Vl crenated at some teogin atre
arguments against Lotteries. lie dwelt upon,the'
distresses oecasionvd in the faniilies of industrious
workmen, where the mania for porehailug shares'
in the lottery seized thews. lie ,reprobated the
arts used to it veigle persons of all descriptions,
by insidious paragraphs in the newspapers, which
were particularly addressed to young, apprentices.
Ile animadverted on the conduct of the light
11 in. Gentleman, who, from attending the meet-
ing Of' a Bible Society.. went to contract for a
State Lottery:. The [louse wonld, he trusted,
so far redeem that character which it had so often
assumed on other occasions, and • consider that
when the evils of the lottery system were talked
of,, these evils were 41 its own creation, if, it
sanctioned such' a system any longer. As to its
beiug said that the same arguments op this sub-
jea'svereonty repeated from year to year, he said
they would be repeated again and again, till that
odims system, the evils of which he verily be-
tieeed It3d been rather under-rated, was stopped.
Mr. 3: W. WARD rose to state the reason Which
influenced his vote on this occasion. No man
was more sensihie than himself of the evils of the
Lottery system ; but, at the same time, he telt
that the evils' which would be produced by laying
on-new taxes,, or increasing those already in ex-
istence to so great an amount as half 4 million, in
times of'snch extraordinary distress as the rresent,
would be still greater. Therefore, on balancing
• the evils, he'thought that the ,State Lotteries, in
the present state of the country, ought, with. a
-view to our financial .policy, to be continued. But
it was only the extraordinary distress occasioned
•by the pressure of taxation, that could justify the,
codtiamtnee of a system so fraught with evil
as that of the tState Lottery. He agreed to
every objection which was made against Lotteries,
in the fullest degree---,he agreed, that in ordinary
there could , be no measure of financial
policy more .unwise, and even absurd, that4that
on which State Lotteries were founded, event with
a view to the revenue. And, iu a moral point of
view, he expressed his utmost abhorrence at the
practices and principles so repugnant to virtue,
which State Lotteries sanctioned and encouraged,
and he was convinced, that the system was one so
impolitic and unwisein every sense, that it w,ould
soon be abolished. lie thought it necessary to
sal; so much, to guard his vote against the'lleso,--
intions,from being misconstrued.
Mr. ttimacaroaos expressed his astonishment
that the lion. Gentleman „who spoke last should
have concluded an able speech against the Lottery
system, by a declaration that he would vote in
lalntir,of that system. That the ilouse, for the
mere reason of- the money, so levied, should con-
sent to eontinite,rhose dreadful evils-evils which
he feared were yearly increasing, would appear, to
him very strange ; but it was above all extraordi-
nary, that those who voted in favour of the system
should, at the same time that they deciaren their
re solution to give such a vote, cotifesi that there
was nothing to he said in defence of that system.
14e- then recapitulated the evili occasioned, by
State Lotteries and insisted much on the pin-

. _
c ipfe .tliklt dovern;hent ought hot to sartetion,any
On the, ground that its evils Were Mitigated
under that, sapetiottc;,,„,',.
. Lord CASTL:Iiiii•WAVW-nteerved that no flew fir* t
gument had been- orgetlagaiosi Stare Lot, ries in
the present discosjoy,, ,and :thereforeahe only
himself called uPoit Ift say a very few, words for
Alm purpose of potting tome parta ot: the ,sohject
into what ,he coneeived'to be the fairest point of
view, kle.argo-4,, that, if the State Lottery sys,
tem was tnalnin in se, it woitlil iridefen4
sible on any ground, and oil& not tn. be eon-
tiotted, however advantageous to the public reve.
nue, But the tact leas that the evils of that sys,
tent were only consespential, and not inherent
vo the syiter itself, but merely in. its abuse.--•
So that, ii truth, even in a mor.il point of
v:eiv,- to,,,make Lotteries the means of a revenue
was lust: Os Oefensible As to lay a ditty 'n, intoxi-
cating spirits, or any Other article of consumption,
the excessive ,use of whidb produce, the worst mo•
ral consequences. He was, however, of opinion,
that the evils produced by the State Lottery bad
been excessively exaggerated, and that those rhe.-.
torical pictures which had been drawn of the mi-
series brought upon private families by gambling
in the Lottery, applied to, the system as it tvi•is
carried, on many years ago, when insurance Was
allowed, and before the other improvements in it
hid .been made by the Legislature. The NOble
Lord proceeded to justify the present system of
drawing the Lottery at short periods. Mr. Ca-
quitoun's opinion, he obierved, rather related to
the state of the Lottery as it existed before than
at present ; -and he did not think we wtre so much-
more moral titan our aocestors, that such a sys-
tem as they had approved olwas not to.be toler-
ated in our day. It was not •in the power of the'
lower orders to buy,toy considerable shires, and
thus immorality and crime" could not be laid to
their charge, as arising from Lotteries. He.
should be much satisfied if it were poSsible to dis,
pense altogether with this mode of raising mo-
ney ; but in the present situation of the country,
if the House were to part with rrsottree of half a
million'of revenue, without the possibility of find-
kg a substitute, they would open a door which •
would shake the revenue to its very foitudation....-a,
Convinced, that, that fete could not. afford•to part
with this branch of our ressJurees, he
,should move
the previous question.
,Lord A. HANIII-ToN Contended, that the nu-
merous mischiefs arising from Lotteries had been
proved over and over again,in that House.
Mr. MortLAND was of opinion, that Lotteries
occasioned a vast deal of ntisehiet. A wiiteri
who had recently published to volume of travels,
partiedlatly states, that the Lotteries in Paris had
produced the most dreadful vireos, He Was told
by a person connected with one of Iliose gambling
establishmeuts, that the Lotteries oocasioned, itt
'Pmt.'s, 100 instances of suicide in .the cowrie mil
the year.. The [clog of Splin, it seemed, amongst
the other exttaor,linary acts of his reign, had in-
stituted-a Lonely on the F!uglish platt.., lie did
not chose to imitate any of our heueticial
blishnients--be croold not hot 00:ice Trial by Jury, •
or ant' other it,ettil and praise-worthy system—.
nothing but a Lottery would please hint,.: The
Lottery was now extended to the.most remote vil-
lages—orai he knew ,one where the Post-master,
officiated els Lottery Office-keeper. It was cery
at the time of the Assizes, to hear
the Clerk, in Court,. reading the King's Procia.
'nation against gambling, and other vices, while ,
his Majesty's Post•master, outside of the door,
was tempting the people to a gambling specu-
lation.

Mr. Tuostsort admitted that it was of great int-.
portanee.that the Revenue sbould'be encouraged
hut he thought that , the Lotteries ma teriatly in-
ittred the Revenue by.their frequent recurtence.
The lion. Gentleman proceeded to quote many
instances from the evidence in 'the Reports, to
spew that the infatuation •of the Lottery con-
stantly 'minced' servants, clerks, and othtrs, to
rob their employers.
Mr. BE N ETT mentioned some instances. that
had come, under his own knowledge, of young
women whom he had seen in the 1-louse of Cor-
rection, victims of the common informers.

Mr. LYTTLETON explained. lle was glad to
hear that rhe principle of the thing was given up
by ins advocates, who only encouraged the immo-
ral practice as tti matter of necessity. 13th he
would say, " If you must have money, raise it by
borrowing, or any other means, rather than by
swindlilic."—Tbe•thmse then dividecl,72.
For the previous Question
Against it
.Nlajority —46
The Report of 'the Comm:Oct! of Supply was brought upo
and the Resolutions were agret,l
Mr. LUSIIINfi ION brought up the Report of the'Com-
mit tee on the East India Trade Arts, rind a Bill war ordered.

The Report of the Madhouse Bill teas brought rip; the
amendments were arzteerl to, and the Bill was ordered to tie
read a third time on't hursday.
Mr. PEEL brought up the Irish Police Preservation Amend-
ment Ii u; which was read a first, and ordered to. be rend a
secoird time on ,Moriday.
On the Motion for the second reading of the CameTre-
sertation Bill:
-Sir S. BONIII.LY wished it to he postponed.
Mr. BANKKS .vas in favour of its present progress; and a
division being demanded, there *ere found to he' only St
Members in the House, on which an Adjournment took places

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