The Sun.
London, England, 1821-02-20 00:00:00

HOUSE OF COIIIII,IONS.

Account of all Monies approprial ed by the Commissioners
for the redemption of the National Debt, to thalpurpose,ditr-
nig the year ending on the sth of-January- last, were pre-
soatpd to the` Honse, and laid upon. the table. PC.i I i 1011 S
cre presented against the null Your Bill, from Yarmouth,
Scarborough, Purer, Gainsb.rMigli, Selby, and other posts,
ivige..l, *•ere severally ordered to be printed.

TRURO ELECTION..
„Mr. S. COCKS-brought up the Report of the Committee
appointed IQ try the met its of the Truro Election Petition.
'Hie Committee decided that the sittiniz Member,
Gosset, Esq: was duly elected; and that the Petition-was not
frivolous. nor vexatious.
Mr. FITZGIBBON presented n Petition from certain Free-
holders and others, in the County of Limerick, praying that
the How wontd take int• its consideration the agricultui al
distresses of Ireland.—(4-dered to he jointed.
poit potted Ibe notion of which' he had given
notice-relative-to the -interference of the military at alto lute
Qarlisir Election, until Tuesday sennight.
, Mr.T.W LSON presented a Petition tmt certain 'Merchants
res.-tiling in the City of London, and tradint: with Russia, pray
iitgthatito alterations might be nytile in I he Timber Duties.
• Mr. BARING presented .a petition from the. freeholders
and others of the town of Basingstoke, for an inquiry into the
distresses of the county. • • -
Sir FL PARNELL gave notice of a motion for Thursday•
next,.for 11:e appointment. of a Select Committee to inquire
into the stave of the Linen Trnde in 'lreland.
The defaidteis in the Ballot of Friday last were called over,
no.torplete,l to attend the Ballot of Tuesday il)e 13th of Maro).
Mr. C. CA moved fur a return of the number of
aces of land which had been enclosed for-the cultivation of
Hitps•within the hist. 14 years, distinguishing the number of
aeres itieloced.during
.each year.
lie CHANCELLOR of the EICIIE4I7ER moved the
ilerort lie Dat for the third reading of, the Malt Duties, and
the Tiatister.of Grants Bills, ishieh.weie severally read a 3
Uwe and passed.

HULL. POOR BILL.
Mr:'SYKES moved that the Hull Pour 13111 be read a,second
time that day selinight..
11l sKISSON was not . iware,. that according to the
riactice, of Parliament', any lion. Member could pursue such
a Coui-Se as had-been adopted by the Hon. Gentleman oppo
sire, thns moving the second reading at so distant a period.
Wit'n respect-to tlie'ineritS;of the Bill itself, although it had
iiteir introduced into the- House• as a prieatc measure, he
coti.hl mu. but regard:it.one of a public nature, and involving
e. great qnestion. Its principle was neither noire
nor less thaii this .:2-An attempt to• adopt a new mode of
Irrying poor rates upon a new description of •property.—
Ctlear,-.44,11-7-and,upon. a description of property which
it was the, duty of
,diet House to' protect. But this ens not
04' only- object of the Bill. It endeavoured to introduce
into, tbe_7•town of a mode of levying rates. which was to
l.e.confined to-that. port only. With respect to the large
amonnt of its Pii,r :Bates, could it be' imagined that
Hull
would tie-liable to such an increase, if there lied not been an
eqdaßy great improvement in. it.s trade f They wet e not,
11),:re fore to tool;. at the actual amount of the Poor Rates
as a ground for any 'measure of thiS notate, without also
You ins at the increase of property width such' an increase
ot tra,le had hecessurily brooght with it. - If _they did
go into the measure at all, it must be' as a pulrliC one,
and 11 t riS' one living of a private; nature. - The ship-
ping' 'the port of conk] not. be reasonably sub-
jected to the maintenance of the poor of that town, with-
out applying the same principle to all other poits in the
hlOgitoni. If the -House. determined tie• entertain the
t Neu let them consider it as a general -question;-and as lie
conceived ,it to be one of a fearful nature a ith respect to
its operat•mi tiron the sfate of our Poor-Laws, be should move
• as an atm-ailment, that' the words this day se'rinieht" he
left out in the
_motion,. awl that the words .‘.‘ this day six
months" trc.stilistitnted in their place.
Mr: STUART WoIITLEY said, that -fife motion of his
(Mr. Sykes) related merely to the Order.ol. the
Day; and• be really tlitinOt that the opposition of the Right
Hon'. Gentleman would More properly come at the time fixed
fo? the second reading:of_the Bill.
The SPEAKER,'explaine.rl the regular course, which was
.simply to more that the secoml reading. should stand for any
gieen day,. and that the discussion upon the merits of the
qui•sliOn shiA/d take place at that ODIC* .
NIF,-1-i Li:41010;0N had hero led to oppose the Honourable
Member's motion, because it seemed; iii effect, to carry the
sZ,cond reading.of the Bill. After what had been said, lie
begged leave in withdraw, his Amendment. .
Mr. SIKES was proceeding to reply, when •
. . Mr. BARING rose' to bider. lie conceived that if they
'went into ediscussion oPthe ,measure, it was impossible to
aroid cutting. to a;deeision upon it. -
.. Mr, CALCBAI7 thoughl that as-an attack bad been made
upon the bill, ,rod ai.that would have its •effect iipon the
Hoi4e and upon the worid, it-was only just that the'Hon.
~Member who proposed it should have the right of replying to
the ohservations which had been made:
Mr. SYKES proceeded. Ile wished to call the attention of
the Right Hole Gentleman and of the House to sorne localities
of the particular place to which the Bill was intended to be
'applied. In 11u14111 stock in trade, of whatever description,
was rateable:- and he could not see. why ship-liolders•should
• be the• only parties eiempted frOtheirntributing towards the
maintenanceofthe_poor. With respect,tothe objectionsorthe
Right lion: Member, as, to the private nature ottlie'Bill lie
could point- out t him two --statutes now. upon the Books, ex=
. actly similar to it in every respect. Two Acts ti'g'er passed in
tliF last reign, by. a hich the shipping' in the port of Souther-,
land was rendered liable to be rated for the reiief of the-poor.'
In Scarborough and in Poole, shipping was rated at this day.
Having thus stiewn that,the principle had been
,admitted, lie
contended t hat t here was uo t own in the kingdom where it could
be so 'fairly applied as' Hull. An immense number -of the
pnot of that town had been brought upon the rates by the
shipping. lii the year 1819, when 16,0001. was appropriated
to the support of the poor, 70001. of that sum had been con-
sumed by the poOr belonging to the shipping. Under these

jrCliniitanCet, it appeared. perfectly -fair to Mtn, that the
shipholders.shonld contribute their share in supporting the
burdens which they were instrumental in creating.
Mr. F..LEWIS warned the House against the danger of ex-
tending any property, be it it what it may, within the reach
of the Poor Laws. He was of opinion that they tended to
devonr the whole property of the country, and he would always
now, and upon every occasion, keep what be could out of their
destructive clutches.. There was no proposition so certain,
so infallible, as that the Poor Laws would entirely destroy
every description of property upon ninth they could fix their
hold. The misfortune of these laws was (and it indneed many
to support • them from the best motives,) that they were
apparently benevolent. He knew they were kind in appear-
ance, they were humane in appearance ; but they • carried
with them the direst evils. He was fully convinced that they
had been productive of some of the greatest distresses under
which the country laboured. The Hon. Member fur Hull
complained that it was inequitable' for one species of proper-
' ty,to pay snore towards the poor rates than another. Much
had been heard of the hardships of one parish having to
support a large number of poor, while another parish in its
immediate vicinity had. none. Now he Conceived that the
principle upon which the Hon. Member wished to render the
shipping rateable, was equally applicable to there cases, and
one parish -has as touch right to call upon the other fur a
contribution, as the. inhabitants of Hull to make the present
demand.
-General GASCOYNE spoke shortly against the Kilt.
The SPEAKER said, as there did not seer* to be a clear
understanding upon the manner in which this discussion had
orig:nated, he would explain the nature of the Hon. Meru-
bei's (Mr. Sykes's) motion. In consequence of the-Petitions
which had been presented to the Honse„ a considerable de-
gree of feelitghad been excited concerning the merits of the•
Bill; Under these 'circumstances, it was desirable fur the
Hon. Member to niake a proposition fur fixing the day on
which It might be' ead. The mere fixing it on the orders far
a particular day, was not determining any thing but that the
question should he brought on upon that day.
After a' few words in explanation f;•tort Mr. Sykes, the
second rearing was fixed fur Tuesday the 27th of this month.
Mr. WARR E moved-for leave to biing:in a Bill fur amend-
ing the general Enclesure Act.—Leave granted.
CATHOLIC QUESTION.
Sir J. NEWPORT gave notice us the part of his Right
Hon; Friend the Member for the University of Dublin, (Mr.
Plunkett), that he should bring the question of the Catholic
Claims before the House, on Wednesday the 4iith.' -
Mr. WYNNE gave nmiee of a motion far Wednesday, re
latire to the Standing 01-der for the regulation of Addresses.

EVIDENCE BEFORIII COMMITTEES.
Mr. BENNET rose to Move for the production of the notes
taken by the Short-hand Writer of the House,: before the
Police Committee, on the subject of the ((unduet of certain
Magistrates in licensing puhlit!.-houses, as connected with the
case of an individual- named Meek, who bad since presented
a Petition to the mouse;' and that the Short-band Writer be
•permitted to attend the Court of King's Bench, on the trial
of a prosecution. The King v. Sir N. Cement and Others, at
the instance .of .vleek, and there to produce his notes, avid
give evidence.
Mr. BATHURST thhuglet this was a case deepl7 invalving
the privileges of the Hioui.c. He submitted, it would be pro
per that the whole question should Se refared to a Committee,
tur them to repart to the House, whether it was proper that
the,propositiun of the lion. Member should be. adopted.
Mr. MA BER wal decAledly of opinion :he }louse should
immediately put a neeatire on the motion, as the witnesses
who appeal eat tic arre era. of the. House were retitled
to the fullest protection.
Mr. C. W. W YNN was of opinion, the House could net
decide, without previous inquire by a,Conrinittee, to see bow
for the evidense t tie Shen t-hmid Writer was to give would affect
the witnesses hefir e the original Committee.
'Mr. BENNET then expressed. a Wish to Withdraw his ruo-
tient ; which was agreed to.
Mr. BENNET,then moved for a return of the number of
convictions for forgeries in the last three ears, and the" num-
ber executed for that offence in that pet-Md.—Ordered.
- Also for 'the ntunber of persons convicted ill the same
period for uttering forged,inank of England notes; the num-
ber who have pleaded guiltA to he minor offence; also a
lteturn of the numlier of persons transported to Botany Bay
since 1816; the periods of -their sentence, whether for 7, 14,
or 21 years, or for life.—Ordered:
Also, for Copies of" Grants of Land to-Convicli in New
South Wales,-with the names of the Grantees, Ike.—OrtiervA.
Sir ,1, NfiNPORT hen mover. a Resolution that, daring
Peace, if the HoUse should m.', befUre"Uhrisaria-, then the
Army, Navy, and Oreinance shou!6 he presented
before the fah of January fullovvinx; or, if the House should
not be rtittiog on that div i bat they should he !aid be-
fore Parliament.ten days the appointnacnt of the Conl-
wittee of Supply. . .
Alter a few weeds from-the Cliancellor of the Ex•chequer,
the motion was agreed to.
Mr. CHETWYND then moved for a Return of the Fines:
imposed b., the Court of Kin;'s .Peach, from Hilary Term,
1818, to Fillary Term, S2l ; and the appropriation of the
same. He mnderstood these Ines had been given by the
Crown to-the high liailiif of Westminster. -He old not know
whcthar it were so or nut; •Inst he thought the House. should

enquire into the sub;:ect.
Seljeant. ONSLOW slid not Ilse to oppose the motion,
but only to correct a mistake of his Hon. Friend. The fines
did go to the High Lailiff, but not in consequence of a grant
front the Crown : but in consequence of his having purc'tased
the situation of the Dean and Chapter of Westminster, ,for a
valuable consisteration, and, in more instances than one,
ed heavy expences at elections.
After a sho:t conversation bet weeen Sir J. Newport, the
Chancellor of the Exchequer, Mr. Lusingtuti, and Mr.
Cbetwynd, the motion was agreed-' it.
The Report of the
_lrish Judges Salaries Bill was brought
up and received.
The Resolutions embodied in the Report were then' sepa-
rat ety put and agreed to.
The Order of the Day was then read for the whole House
resolving'itself into a Conimittee upon the Flax and Cotton
Duties. The Speaker accordingly left the Chair, and the
House being in a Committee, too duties on those laticles
were continued for two years. The House then rtsnmed, and
it was ordered 'hat the Report should be received to-morrow.
The, House in like manner, went ihl o Committee
.upon. the
Clerks of Irish J. Vi. i Coutpens3tion Bill, the Report
upon which was ordered to be received to-morrow.
Mr. BECHER moved an Account of all Pi!rtiamentary
Grants recommended by the,Comminittee•of inquiry respect-
ing Irish Courts of Law; and an Account of the seretal
Offices recommendc'd iti be abolished' by that Committee ; to-
.,!,ether with an Account of the .Emoluments of the persons
holding those uthees ; distinguishing fees from salai les.

13 RDNANcg.
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Mr. rlUME•gav,e notice, that on Tuesday, the' 20th of
March, he should move Tot:knee-to bring in a Bill for dss-•
qualifying all Officers and ClcrLs of the UrJnauce.Depart-
silent from voting Din that IL:fuse.
Lora PALM EnsToN brought up certain PaPers'relating
to the Superannuate List. They were ordered to. lie on •the
table, and-be printed.
Mr. LUSH INGT( brought in the Annual indemnity Bill,
for the benefit of Public Officers, Articled ('gents, &c. The
Bill was read a first and second time, and ordered to be lead
a third time to-morrow.
Mr. HUME made a siring of motions relating to the Ord-
nance Department. He said that he made these motions in
consequence of certain misrepiesentations (unintended, lie
was certain) which had.fallen Irons the flight Hoo. Gentle-
roan opposite (Mr. \'ard) upon the discussion of Isis (Mr.
Hume's) Motion on Friday night respecting- the_ Ordnance
Department. •.
utter a few words in explanation from Mr. Warm, the
several Motions of Mr. Hu t!E were put and agreed to. They
were in substance, for Accounts of ail the Offices attached to
the ,Ordtst.tsce Department, wills the Salaries and other Emolu-
ments of!each—The House then Adjourned.

SPORTING INTELLIGENCE•

STATE OF THE ODDS.--kIETTING ROOM, FEB. W,

• - RI.pDLES.WORTII.
2to 1 agst Reginald . 12 agst the Field.

9 to 1 agst Reginald
11 to 1 agst Gustavus
12 to 1 agst Morel

DERBY.

12 to 1 agst Jock
12 to 1 agst Charm.

OAKS.

5. to.l agst My Lady ' 9. to 1 agst Sister to Steel-
-9 to 1 agst f. out of iiiiildford IT.
I trap
• Nan ' • 42 to 1 agst Sister to llospita•
10 to 1 agst .111r.Wynclham's f. lity .
out of Catherine 12 to-I agst Mirth.

SAINT
9to 1 agst Jack Spiggot •
11 to 1 agst Colwell
13 to 2 agst My Lady

LEG. ER.
24 to 1 agst Remornbrancer
17 to 1 agto. Sandbeck.

His late MAJESTY'S Hanoverian charger, whose
skin was purely white, and which died shortly after
the decease of his MAJESTY, has been stuffed, on
account of its singular beauty.

There can ne longer be any doubts respectings
the passage of the Austrians over the Po, ,and
events may therefore soon be expected that will
be 'decisive of the fate of Naples one way or
other. Tile question between the Allied Powers
anel the Neapolitan Revolutionists is highly in-
teresting and important; but, as we have before
had occasion to observe, there has not been snit-
cient.information to clear the 'Opposition Orators
in Parliament, or the writers in the Journals de-
voted to their cause; from the charge of gross
inconsistency, in urging' Ministers to take an
active part in the contest. If the great body of
the people of Naples are anxious for a Repre-
sentative. Gove;um'ent, under a limited Mo-
narchy, every frieuel to the -rights of mankind
must heartily wish 'them success ; yet even in
that case, 'the British Government would not
be under any_ obligation to interfere ; and,
if it were to do se, Misisters nO doubt would
be censured for,' such officious interposition by-
the very same men who now condemn them
for filgid neutrality. But if a set of fac-
Cons miscreants, aided by a misguided and cor-
rupt soldiery, should have no.oater aim but to
establish a Republic, while they pretend to re-
L spect the rights that ought to belong to the So-.
vereign, still our Government ought not to inter
fere, while other Powers, who have a direct in
terest in the question., are-actually engaged in
the cause, and by oppoinz their measures we
should. only .involve.ourselves in the danger of a
new warfare, at a time too when we are already
so much • harthened by the expences of the late
long-continued war, -without necessity on our
part, or any prospect of national advantage.—
The, Debates in,
the house of Lords last night,
the pertinacity of Lord GnEY, and the vehe-.
mence of Lord IIoLLANo, "speak for themselves,
and require no' comment; Perhaps the attacks
of the latter on o':her Powers, particularly on the
Emperor of ittissiA, will appear to the world at
large as neither consistent with the dignity of a
Legislator nor" the manners of a Gentleman.

FonrrcN TuAnr.H-The witnesses examined
before this Co since Friday last are Jotrx
LIVINDP.I6GE, ES(I., -WILLIAM SMITH, Esq., of
Liverpoo!, and Mr. Tdom.ts TookE.—We are
informed, that the Committee now intend to sit
daily, and to make their Report on the Timber
Trade with the 'utmost dispatch..We are at a
loss to conjecture the motive for this expedition ;,
we know of no gailt,:that it can effect ; and- it is
evident that it may) e the source of much mis-
chief and injustice, if the Report is immediately
followed up by any legislatiVe measure, before
the several important and valuable classes of the
community, who are so deeply interested in• the
question,laVe had an, opportunity of considering
that. Report and the evidence upon which it will
be founded. We can recollect, that in all the
great. commercial questions which arose in the
time of Mr. PITT, that Illustrious Statesman, pa-
tiently, and free from any bias to either pdeticular
classes, or any favourite . principles of his own,
endeavoured to acquire the most minute informa-
tion upon them, from every party, in an open and
manly manner, so that if the information tendered
by either party was not 'strictly correct, or was
brought forward in such a manner as to give it a
particular colouring, the other party was able im-
mediately to point out the fallacy,and thus to pre-
vent the Minister and the Legislature from decid.
lug great national questions on garbled and erro-
neous statements. We regret that the same sys-
tem does not prevail in the present day ; for we
confess that we do not see the advantage of the
Lchnnge; or _any reason why a, subject of such

importance as the Colonial Timber Trade should
not be considered in an open Committee, and
why so much anxiety- should be manifested to
withhold the evidence that is daily brought for-
warel.—There is, at least, one advantage in pub-
licity on questions which saffect large bodies of
individuals, as it precludes men, whose attach-
ment to their Country and its institutions it may
be desirable to conciliate, saying'or imagining,
that if they had betha present some explanation
might have been'given, or some argument used,
which would have set the matter in a different
light, and ►nduced the Committee to come to a
'determination more favourable to them, and such
ss the real merits of the case demanded.—
Netwithslonding, heweveri all the disadvan-
tages and difficulties which the British Ship-
owner and the Colonist have to encounter in
the mode of investigating this question, we feel
a firm conviction that the impolicy of imposing
any duty on Colonial Timber, unless an addi-
tional countervailing duty is also imposed on
Baltic and Norway Timber, will be seen by the
Legislature, for every man of practical experience
must know that any duty levied on Colonial
Timber will be paid and borne by the Ship-
owner, whose freight at the present moment is
not more than equal to the payment of his ex-
peaces, leaving little or no profit, and that con-
sequently the Ship-owner must be driven from
the Colonial Trade, without any other channel
of employment being opened to him, the several,
branches 'of manufacture dependant upon him
ruined, and a valuable nursery for our seamen
destroyed. But we have so often laid before
the Public our sentiments on this subject, and we
feel so convinced that their propriety and correct-
ness must be evident to every rational and un-
prejudiced mind, that we are persuaded it
would be as fatiguing to our Readers as to our-
selves to pursue it further at the present moment.