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LONDON,

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HOUSE OF LORDS.-(THIS HAY.)
The House sat to-day to hear appeals. The Peers present were
Lord Brougham, Lord Cottenham, and Lord Campbell.

GALBRAITH V. ARMOUR.
Their Lordships gave judgment to-day in this appeal, reversing
the judgment of the Court below.

MACPIIERSON V. CRAICIE.
The arguments in this appeal occupied their Lordships the re.
mainder of the day.

CIIANCE/ItY.-(5. HIS DAY.)
The following notice was put up today in the Lord Chancellor's
Court :—" The Lmd Chancellor will sit on a Committee in the
House of Lords on Friday."

ROLL;.' COURT'.-(THIS DAY.)
The Master of the Rolls took causes to-day of no interest ex.
cept to the parties concerned.

VICE-CLIANCERY.-(THIS DAY.)
His Honour the Vice-Chancellor of England heard unopposed
petitions, petitions, short causes, and causes.
The Vice-Chancellor Knight Bruce took cause petitions and
causes, and

The Vce-Chancellor Wigram, after disposing of the cases of
Cafe v. Bent, and Forsyth v. Ellice, proceeded to hear the further
arguments in the part.heard case of Phene v. Gallan.

kAZII.IIINAL COURT.-(THIS DAY,)
OLD COURT.
(Before Mr. Baron PARKE and Mr. Alderman Musaaovn.)

John Marshall was placed at the bar, charged with a criminal
assault upon the person of Sarah Ann Strate, a child of tender
years, on the :24th June last, in the house of her aunt, a washer-
woman, living at No. 10, Little Coram.strect.

Mr. O'Brien appeared for the prosecution, and Mr. Ballantine
for the prisoner.

It appeared from the statement of counsel, that the prisoner was
living in the same house with the prosecutrix and her aunt ; that
upon the night laid in the indictment the prisoner committed the
offence with which he stood charged, and•which would be detailed
by the prosecutrix.

Sarah Anne Strate was then called ; her appearance created the
greatest sensation she did not appear to be more than eight or
nine years old, though stated to be between ben and eleven, and of
very weak and delicate frame. Having stated that she understood
the nature of an oath, and was aware of the consequences that would
follow a violation of it, she was sworn, and deposed that on the
night in question she was alone in the house; her aunt had
gone out. The prisoner came into the room and put her on the
sofa, and told her not to tell, and that he would give her sixpence a
week. (Here the prosecutrix described the particulars of the as-
sault, which were very revolting and disgusting.) The prisoner
had hurt her very much and she cried out; she told Mrs. Higgins
and Mrs. Parker the day after. One of them examined her and
then took her to a gentleman's house, and from that she went to
Worcester by the train.
Cross-examined by Mr. BALLANTINE—When her aunt came in
on Saturday the prisoner was present, and said, " If this charge is
to be made against me, let her be examined by a surgeon ;" was
examined by a surgeon.
By the COURT—Is the surgeon here?

Mr. BALLANTINE—i believe not, my Lord.
Prosecutrix, then in continuation, said she had been turned
away from school because she was bad, she meant by that that she
would not learn the books; never mentioned at school that any
one ever behaved indecently to her.

Sarah Higgins sworn—Lives in the same house with prosecutrix's
aunt. Remembers the '2Bth of June. Prosecutrix complained to
her on that day and said that the prisoner had been ill-treating her.
Witness and Mrs. Harper examined the child's person and found
that she had been seriously injured,

Police constable James Newman deposed that he apprehended
the prisoner in the house in question about one o'clock in the
morning of the 29th June. One of the women present said the
child had been sent away about a fortnight. The aunt said she
had been sent away only that evening.

Here the case closed.
The prisoner's Counsel did not address any observations to the
lury.

The Learned JUDGE said that there was not sufficient evidence
to prove the more serious offence; but he thought it would be well
to remand the prisoner to the next sessions, and then have him
tried for attempting a criminal intercourse with a child under the
age of twelve years of age and above ten ; the prisoner to be admit-
ted to bail upon giving security, himself in 80/., and two sureties
in 40/. each.

JUL Y 11, 1845.

tto obtain any information. If he could have got it he
would have been spared the necessity of nicking the pre-
sent motion, but as it was he could only term it a
gigantic scheme t,f connubial collegeality. It was not
very likely, therefore, that any of those fellows
would choose to leave their don/ us luxor in Dublin
for a waste parish in the wilds of the west. The
science taught in Trinity College was mathematics, and
for this he was ready to acknowledge the university had
obtained a European reputation, but in divinity
he was sorry to say the eminent examples were
few and far between. The corporation consisted
of a provost, 7 senior fellows, and 25 junior fellows.
The senior fellows received about 3,0001. a year for
their services, and the juniors about 1,500/. What their
duties were he never could exactly mak•: out, but he be-
lieved that they were precisely in an inverse ratio with
their emoluments. By the fees fur tuition, the college
had an income of about 28,316/, and from the rent of
land in Brunswick-street and the neighbourhood, there
was an income of 21,6841., making in round numbers
50,000/. a-year. And what was the object of all this,
but to support Protestant ascendancy ? Now, he
did not think that this was in any way meeting
the requirements of the people of Ireland. Acade-
mical professorships in Trinity College were open
to Protestants of all nations, whilst they were closed
against the Irish Catholics. A few night ago, the Right
lion. Baronet at the head of the Government pronounced
a glowing eulogium upon Dr. Care, who certainly was
one of the first lecturers in Europe ; but yet this very
Dr. Cave was unable to fill a professorship in Trinity
College. A Frenchman and a Spaniard were eligible,
provided they were Protestants, but an Irishman was
ineligible because he was not a Protestant. They talked
a great deal of repealing the' penal laws, and their de-
sire to put down ascendancy, but they kept up an odious
ascendancy in Trinity Coll; ge. It was their bounden
duty to extend the provisions of the Act of 1793, and
admit Catholics to participate in the honours and profits
of the university. A Commission had been appointed
to inquire into the Scotch universities. Why not into
the Irish ? 'The Right Hon. Baronet said there were
peculiar circumstances in the case of Ireland. So there
were circumstances that should compel inquiry into the
Dublin University beyond any other. And if the House
declined to interfere, he did not think the Royal hand
could be more usefully employed than in giving consent
to a Royal Commission to inquire into the state of that
college. Such an act would do credit to a Sovereign
who, whilst she rivalled Elizabeth in the ability to rule,
infinitely surpassed her in all the softer and more re-
fined attributes which adorn the sex.—(Cheers.)
Mr. M. BELLEW seconded the motion. He saw no
reason why a test should exist in Trinity College,
Dublin, any more than in the Scotch universities, where
it was virtually abandoned. It was of no use to attempt
to blink this question. Sooner or later this Church
question must come on, and they might therefore as
well settle-it at once. There was one point beside,
which he desired to bring before the notice of the
House. And it was this. He held that it was the
policy of the Government to do as much justice as poisible
to all the people of Ireland, except so far as
it might touch the Church. Now this attempt to ex-
clude the Roman Catholics from the advantages of the
corporate property in Ireland would prove' a vain one.
The Government might think that it was wise to keep
this property in an exclusive position, but such was not
the opinion of Edmund Burke. In 1798 he had stated
that no large measure could ever be successful which did
hot do away with those religious distinctions, which
had been the curse of the country, and ho trusted
therefore that no attempt would be made to persevere in
this system of exclusion. He wished to say one word
before he sat down, with reference to the Landlords and
Tenants Commission, and all he would say upon that
subject was, that the destitution existing in that country
was beyond all calculation. The suggestion of the
Right Hon. Baronet a t the head of the Home Depart
ment of a royal commission would at once, meet all the
circumstances of the case, and he believed that the pre-
sent Sovereign would prove in no way inferior to Eliza-
beth in providing for the education of Ireland.

Sir I'IIONIA'S FREMANTLE said- that he re-
gretted that it was not in his power to accede to the
motion of the Hon. Gentleman. -The Hon. Gentleman
`had` made a. very humorous speech, 'and. had evinced
that he' had made very extensive researches, and had
touched on a vast variety of topics. If he had made'out
any ease of a malverEation of the funds of the college,
then indeed there would be some reason for inquiry, but
no such grounds had ever been attempted to Ve.adduced,
and he must therefore be obliged to resist the motion.
The great front of the offence appeared to be that the
fellows were allowed to get married.
Mr. OSBORNE—AII the fellows ?

Sir T. FREMANTLE—He believed only the senior
fellows. But, whether only the seniors or all, the princi-
ple was the same. Now, without going into any length-
ened inquiry on this Subject, he must contend that the
circumstance in no way affected the course of education
which was given at Trinity College. Then, again, with
respect to the Church patronage, he felt compelled to
express his dissent froth the assertion that thatpatronage
was unwisely employed. And again, with regard to the
income of the College, the Honourable Member appeared
to have gone on very insufficient data or the conclusions
at which he had arrived. The Honourable Member had
stated that the income of the College was 60,000/., and
that the emoluments of the senior fellows was as much as
3,000/. a year. Now, from the inquiries which he had made,
he was induced to believe that the income of the richest
fellowship was not more than 1,700/. a year. Yet, even
if it were 3,000/., which it was not, there would still be
no impediment to the good education of the pupils, and
he believed that no objection was felt against the emo-
luments which the professors enjoyed. Then, again, as
to Protestant ascendancy, why it might as well be said
that they were supporting Catholic ascendancy by in-
creasing the grant to Maynooth from 8,0001. to 26,000/.
a year. And as to the exclusion of Roman Catholics
from the college, it was well known that Roman Catho-
lics did go there, were educated there, and were thankful
for the education they received. Respecting the suppo-
sition that Roman Catholics were excluded from the ad.
vantages of the scholarships, all he had to say was that
there was a case at the present moment pending in the
Queen's Bench in Dublin, in which a Roman Catholic
member of the University, who had passed his examina-
tion, was suing to be installed in a scholarship. Should
that decision be unfavourable, an Act of Parliament
might be necessary ; but until the decision of the Judges
was made known, it was at least premature to accede to
any motion such as that before the House ; and con-
caiving that no sufficient ground had been made for pass-
ing it, he should certainly give it his decided opposition.
Mr. ROCHE said that the Right Hon. Baronet, who
had just sat down, had stated, that in the event of the
decision of the Judges of the Court of Queen's Bench in
Dublin being unfavourable, that an Act of Par-
liament would be necessary. That was the very thing
he wanted, and why not pass an Act at once?
The Right Hon. Gentleman the Secretary for Ireland
had referred to what had been said by his Right Hon.
and Learned Friend the Member for Dungarvon
about Catholic ascendancy. But the Right Honourable
Baronet ought to remember that though they desired
that the Roman Catholics of Ireland should be educated,
they had no desire to establish an ascendancy of Roman
Catholics over the Protestant Church there. It had been
asserted over and over again that the College of the
Trinity in Dublin was open to all sects and classes. This
was a fallacy which could not be too frequently over-
thrown. It was not the case. The Roman Catholics
were admitted on the same footing as Protestants ; and
lie therefore contended, with other Irish Members, that,
since they would not withdraw any part of the funds
of that college for the purposes of education,
the Government should at least build another college on
more liberal principles, and give the same extent of
classical learning to the students who might be entered
of it. The professors of Trinity, in the anatomical and
other chairs were required to conform to the Esta-
blished Church of Ireland. Now he should like to know
what difference the being a Catholic should make in
anatomy, natural or moral philosophy, or other chairs,
unconnected with theology in that college. He thought
that every Irishman who really loved his country would
be anxious to see all these restrictions removed, and
without it, he thought the reconciliation of that country
could not be accomplished.

Mr. HAMILTON assured the House that there was
no indisposition on the part of the fellows of the Uni-
versity of Dublin to give her Majesty's Government any
information on the subject of these colleges, but he
thought this motion had its origin in a hostile spirit,
as it certainly emanated from a hostile party. It had
been said that the system pursued at Dublin College
was hostile to education ; but he would remind the
House of the names that had emanated from it, distin-
guished in every department of the classics, the arts, and
the sciences. It would be invidious to institute any com-
parison with the colleges of Oxford and Cambridge, but
he could not help saying that there were at present more
fellows in the first of these Universities than had been
in the Dublin College from its very foundation.—(Hear,
hear.) The objections which Hon. Members had urged
against the University of Dublin was, that it was a
merely Protestant College. But they should remember
that it was founded by Queen Elizabeth ; and if
they recollected the character of that age, and
the opinions which were prevalent, they would not
surely express any surprise that it was founded for the
purpose of extending the Protestant faith. There were
certain offices to which Roman Catholics were not eligi-
ble, but they were of that kind that the restriction could
not be looked upon as a very great grievance. They
were the offices of Provost, Vice-Provost, and certain
fellowships and scholarships. The Hon. and Learned
Member then enumerated the different classes in the
college, in order to show that education was there taught
on the most liberal principle. The only objection which
the Hon. Member seemed to substantiate, and the justice
of which he (Mr. Hamilton) would not admit, was, that
the university was intended to propagate the doctrines
of the Protestant Establishment. He thought that if
they interfered with the present system they would, in-
stead of conciliating Ireland, be rather adding to her dis-
tractions.

Mr. WARBURTON thought that no objection could
reasonably be given to a motion, which had only for its
object the establishment of a Commission for the pur-
pose of inquiring if the intentions of the founders of the
university had been carried out. They had to inquire
whether the funds which had been given had been ap-
plied according to the terms of the charter, and they
found the charter of Charles 1., in 1637, laid down
the scale of emoluments which the provost, and other
officers, were to receive. There they found that the
provost was to receive 1001. sterling, the senior fellows
91 13s. 4d., and the junior fellows 31. Now, indeed,
they, in consequence of the difference in value of money,
should be placed on a different footing ; but yet
they had to look if a large amount of the
available property of the college was not swal-
lowed up in the shape of salaries, instead of being
expended in the way directed by the founders.
And if they did examine into the history of the Univer-
sity, they would find that encroachments had been made
at different periods—encroachments which 'crippled the
energies, and limited the usefulness of the Institution to

a very great degree. And on this subject alone, the Go-
• vernwent ought to institute
.a royal commission of inquiry.
Some of the arguments of the Hon. Gentleman who had
just sat down, seemed to him to be carried too far. Surely
in this instance, where the codege was open to all stu-
, dents of whatever persuasion, and where office and emo-
lument might be held by Roman Catholic gentlemen—
surely, he repeated, at this time, and under present circum-
stances, the Government might cause inquiry to be made
with the view of throwing the university open to all
sects, and placing Catholics and Protestants on exactly
the same footing. He should be the very last person
to divert the property of the College to other than the
objects to which the founders meant it to be applied, but
in these days, when they were building colleges in other
parts of Ireland, it might be well to do away with the
objectionable statutes which only restricted education,
and he should, therefore, deeming the commission sought
for by his Hon. Friend truly necessary, support the
mutt .n.
Sir R. 11. INGLIS said that the foundation of the
university of Dublin was as purely Protestant as any
college in this country. It had been said by the Hon.
and Gallant Officer who moved the resolution, that the
statutes of Elizabeth did not c, ntain the word " Pro-
testant ;'' but did' any Honourable Member mean to say
that that sovereign contemplated other than the ex-
tension of Protestant doctrines ? Having heard nothing
in the speech of the Hon. Gentleman opposite in its
favour, he should resist any interference cn the part of
the Crown with respect to funds, left by certain persons
for private purposes.
Mr. HUME was sorry to find this motion opposed by
her Majesty's Government. lie was surprised at this,
sf eing that In r Majesty's Government had evinced a de-
sire to conciliate the people of' Ireland. He thought his
Hon. and Gallant Friend, the Member for Wycombe,
in introducing the motion, had made out a very strong
case. He thought that the motions of his Hon. Friend
was particularly well timed, seeing that her Majesty's
Government had asked the House to grant certain sums
of money for educational puiposes. He was right, under
those circumstances, in asking what funds were at pre-
sent in existence for such purposes, and how they were
appropriated. He did not see how her Majesty's Go-
vernment could refuse this, when they were asking the
House to grant more money fur education in Ireland.
On a former occasion an application was made for money
to be voted for Scotland, and a precisely similar
course had been adopted to that suggested by his Hon.
and Gallant Friend. He believed that his Hon. and
Gallant Friend's argument had been very unfairly met.
The Government, in opposing the motion, were not
carrying out the liberal view which they had lately ex-
pressed towards Ireland. It was his opinion, that all
Irishmen should he placed upon the same footing with
respect to education and religion. He thought that Ire-
land was justified in calling for the inquiry which had
been demanded. It was the policy of the Government
to grant such inquiries, for whenever a party had re-
course to concealment, the result would not be benefi-
cial to them. Upon these grounds, he should support
the motion of his Hon. and Gallant Friend.
Mr. LEFROY was opposed to this *motion, because he
believed the effect of it would be to open the honors and
emoluments of Trinity College, Dublin, to other parties
than Protestants. He thought they were bound to sup-
port that College in its present position. He did not
believe that a single argument had been offered in favour
of the motion of the Hon. and Gallant Gentleman, and
therefore he should oppose it.
Mr. M. J. O'CONNELL did not think that the Hon.
Gentleman who had just sat down had shown to the
House a very promising example of the logic taught at
Trinity College. He (Mr. M. J. O'Connell) hoped that
they would have some further exposition of
the principles upon which the Government
intended to oppose the motion.—(Hear.) They had,
he thought, exhibited as much inconsistency in that
matter as they had in financial matters. In Scotland
tests were to be imposed, in Cork they were not, but in
Dublin the Government were determined to maintain
the tests in full force. He had supported this Bill in
its early stages, because he believed it would, in its ef-
fect, advance mixed education. But mixed. education •
would never succeed while equality was not
observed. The new colleges were to be thrown
open to till, while the old ones were to , be
exclusive. Until this inequality was abolished, discontent
would continue, and ought to continue, He could not
understand the inconsistency .that was shown by the
Government with respect to this matter of education.
That which they believed to be good and essential in
one case, they repudiated in another. Their consciences
appeared to vary with the position of the places respect-
ing which they attempted to legislate. As be had said
before, they never could hope to conciliate Ireland
while the present inequality was allowed to continue.
Let them place every creed upon the same footing with
respect to the honours and emoluments of the colleges
in Dublin, and they might depend upon it that discon-
tent would rapidly die away.
Mr. SHAW believed that this motion had been
brought forward for the purpose of alienating funds from
the objects for which they were originally intended.
Trinity College was founded by a Protestant Queen, by
Protestant funds, and for purely Protestant purposes.
This had often been repeated, and he would repeat it
again and again, for this simple reason—that the truth
could not too often be repeated. There were as many
Roman Catholics now in the University of Dublin as
there were formerly, and he did not wish that the Roman
Catholics should be deprived of the advantages of acade-
mical education. The Hon. Gentleman who had brought
forward this motion had taunted him with being igno-
rant of everything connected with the government oithe
University of Dublin. He had, however, had considerable
experience in that University. lle had taken his degree of
Doctor of Laws there, and had two sous who entered it,
and consequently he must be somewhat acquainted with
its internal management The Honourable and Learned
Gentleman then went into details respecting the salaries
of the professors and fellows, which he defended on
the ground of the onerous duties they had to perform.
The senior fellows had more tine for literary pursuits ;
the time of the juniors was wholly taken up in teaching
the students, and every one of them was actively en-
gaged in giving lectures and instructing the scholars.
There was also another duty which the junior fellows
had to perform. The divinity students had to attend
two years, and the junior fellows, besides their ordinary
duties, had to instruct these students. He had, there-
fore, disposed of two of the objections which had been
raised against the fellows. He would say that the Go-
vernment could not violate the funds, without doing
gross injustice to the intentions of the donors who had
endowed the college.
Mr. SHEIL entirely coincided with his Hon. Friend
the Member for Kerry that the members of the three
professions of theology, law, and medicine, should not
stand distinct. They started together in the same field of
life, and, if he might employ the sublime language of the
great poet whose remains were now entombed in the ad-
jacent cathedral, he would say,
" Leaving the world, with no blot on their name,
Looked proudly to Heaven, from the death-bed of fame."
They lived and they would die together. Surely, in the
morning of life, when the sweetest, and finest, and most
lasting friendships were formed, which would last
through life, religious moans for directing those feelings
ought not to be rejected. Without the aid of religious
education, all secular education would be perfectly use-
less. The youth was transferred from his home, and
was no longer under the care of that best of all sentinels,
parental love. It was perhaps in religion that a little
learning was dangerous, for it was in silent monitions of
a well grounded religious feeling, probably first incul-
cated by a mother, and sustained by the exhortations of
the ecclesiastical adviser, that the rash and headstrong
passions of youth were restrained. These statements
were not imaginary, and the Government had not pro-
vided for them. They had not guarded against it. Re-
ligion, in his opinion, ought to have been made the basis
of the system. The Government ought to have made
religion the groundwork on which the entire scheme
should be founded. The Roman Catholic bishops had
asked the Government to erect Catholic chapels as well
as Protestant. The Right lion. Gentleman the Secre-
tary for the Home Department had said that chaplains
must be appointed for the Unitarians and other sects.
Was he aware of the fact that in Ireland there were only
500,000 Presbyterians, 40,000 Unitarians, 180,000 Pro-
testants, and upwards of 7,000,000 of Roman Catho-
lics? And yet, looking at these facts, he said it was
necessary to provide chaplains for the Unitarians. Why,
Protestant, Presbyterian, and Catholic chaplains ought
to be appointed to the colleges. Ought religion to be
left out, when, compared with which, every other object
of secular education was evanescent and contemptible?
He would now refer to the appointment of professors.
He thought that the Catholic bishops, in seeking what
they did, were perfectly justifiable. They suggested
that the professors of metaphysics, of geology, and ana-
tomy, should be Catholics. The Government said such
a proposition was monstrous. Those professors in Dub-
lin University were all Protestants, and he would con-
tend that the bishops were perfectly right in pursuing
the course of refusing to recognise the principle of the
measure, unless sufficient means for the instruction of the
Roman Catholic youth in the proposed colleges, in their
proper religion, were fully recognised and provided for.
He would not complain of the distribution of offices, of
the appointment of magistrates, of the neglect of the
interests of Ireland, but he would content himself with a
fact. Fifteen years ago Catholic Emancipation was car-
ried—fifteen years had elapsed since that great measure
passed the Legislature, and he, who at. that time led the
way in carrying it, was now the Prime Minister of Eng-
land. There were eight millions of Roman Catholics in
Ireland, and yet not a single Roman Catholic held office
under the Government—not one had the right of entree
at the Castle of Dublin or the Home-office.—(Hear,
hear.) It was not so under the Whigs. Un-
der their Administration the claims of the Catholics
met at least with some consideration. Under the
Whigs these were appointed to office—Sir Michael
O'Loghlen, and Judge Ball, while Mr. Pigott was the
Attorney-General for Ireland. The Whigs in their ap-
pointments to office consulted the interests and feelings
of the great Catholic community ; the present
Ministry had not. When proposing the present 13i1l, the
Academical Education Bill, whom did they consult?
aCatholics
Cer-
tainly not the feelings or the remonstrances the of
Ireland. The Hon. Member for Louth had told them that
would be inconsistent for Roman Catholics to support the
Government so long as they adhered to the present Church
Establishment, and refused to open Trinity College. In that he
perfectly agreed. There was neither teciprociyor justice
Hon.
sticein
such a system. He now came to theamendment.
Member for Wycombe (Mr. B. Osborne) had referred to the
original foundation of Trinity College as not being of an
exclusive character. He could corroborate that fact.
It was not intended for ecclesiastical or sacerdotal
purposes, but as an institution for the education
generally of the youth. This was the object of the
establishment, as founded by Queen Elizabeth, who was a good
Protestant, but who was, nevertheless, a very heathen in a
carnal point. He held in his hand a book, descriptive of the
state of Ireland, written 200 years ago, written by no less a
person than Lord Bacon. The work was entitled the " Queen's
Service in Ireland." That great man said, in the work in
question, " to tolerate the Roman Catholic religion;" and
then he went on to advise the people of Ireland in a state of
contentment, to pursue an even course between England

I and Ireland, and to treat the people as one nation ; one great
means ofaconiplishing which was by carrying out a liberal system
of education.—(Hear, hear) Coupling this passage, which
would be f..und in the third volume of the work, with the pas-
, sage in the charter of Queen Elizabeth, already quo'ed in the
progress of the debate, he (Mr. Sheil) contended that
there was no ground whatever for excluding Roman Catholics
' from the University of Dublin. But that was not the way to
' meet the question in 1845. What they wanted were just prin-
' ciples and practices to conciliate the great majority of the
people of Ireland. Trinity College, even with its present de.
fective constitution, had produceda galaxy of great men, yet
that blaze of literary glory had only emanated from 700,000
Iri.hmen, a mere handful of the people.—( Hear, hear.) What
then might they not expect if the whole waste' mind of
Ireland was brought into the precincts of that institution, and
that instead of 700,000, there were 8,000,000 of people pro-
fiting from the mine of intellectual wealth accumulated there.
—(Cheers.) Let them not deny the great good that had been
' done, but endeavour to change the system for a better. The
Right Hon. and Learned Gentleman then proceeded to notice
the fellowships of Trinity College, which were at present re-
stricted to Protestants, particularising several instances of the
emoluments and advantages, which Roman Catholics were
altogether excluded from by the present constitution of the
College. He considered it would be of much greater service
to education in Ireland, instead of attempting to esta-
blish dwarfish colleges for academical education, to apply
18,0004 to improve Trinity College, and to throw it open
equally to Roman Catholics with Protestants. This course
would be returned in full value to England in pacificating re-
sults, and in the general welfare and improvement of the people
of Ireland._( Loud cheers.) Ile thought that those conces-
sions ought to satisfy the House, and the advantages which had
been given to the Roman Catholic Church had been materially
diminished. At the conclusion of this, their fifth session, it
should be a subject for the consideration of the Alinis-
try that it was unwise to take such a measure
as this at the conclusion of the session. This was no time for
half measures, for he felt that if they longer delayed the set-
tlement of this dispute, the consequence would be that there
would be a total disturbance of the peace of the community.
and if this were not cared for, he feared there would be a
fatal eruption, and the measure would be altogether destruc-
tive of the object for which this Bill was intended.
Sir R. PEEL said that the object of the Bill was to give
a perfect equality between the several parties. The Govern-
ment had certainly been very desirous to meet the religious
feeling of the country. . Their object had been the liberal
endowment of the Catholic Church. and it was a little unfair
that the intentions of Government should he so misrepresented
as they had been n this debate. There was no doubt but
that the feeling of the people in Ireland would, by this debate,
be largely increased. The object of the original grant had
been to increase the resources of that country, and he thought
that the principle would be erroneous which made any differ-
ence between the honours. If they were to state any parti-
cular interest as being affected, they might say . that
the Presbyterian interest was paramount in the north, and the
Roman Catholic in the south. The principle of this had been
allowed in the Bequest Act. The Right Hon. Gentleman
had given a very excellent speech in favour of the opening of
several colleges. The circumstance of the religious principle
being adduced, was sufficient to show that the intentions of
Elizabeth had not been carried out. The Hon. Gentleman
complained of a want of equality. Why, what could be a greater
proof of that equality than the:circumstance that the Government
had invariably adopted those plans which were likely to in-
fluence public feeling. One of their objects had been to raise
religious animosities, and he was happy to announce that those
feelings of opposition had subsided. The object of the Govern-
ment had been to subdue religious animosities, and they sue..
needed. There was no sacrifice, however great, or however
lasting, he would not incur, if, acting with justice to Protestants
and Roman Catholics, he could promote the peace and harmony
of the country to which the Right Hon. Gentleman belonged.
Sir V. BLAKE wished to correct a statement of the Right
Hon. Baronet opposite. The petition from Galway to which
he had alluded was not in favour of the Academical Bill, but
that of the Maynooth Endowment. The people of Ireland
were almost unanimously in favour of the latter; would to God
the former measure was similarly acceptable to them.
Sir R. PEEL—Did not the Hon. Baronet call on me and
request that I would make Galway one of the localities in which
the colleges should be established ?—( Loud laughter.)
Sir VALENTINE BLAKE admitted the circumstance al-
luded to by the Right Hon. Baronet, but explained that, sub
se—
quently, the disadvantages of the measure had become so pal.
pable as to change his mind. (Loud laughter.) The
Hon. Baronet continued for some time the most 'emphatic
gesticulations, but from the indescribable uproar which pre-
vailed during his entire address, not one word was audible in
the gallery.
Colonel SIBTHORP said there was no one single act which
be did not believe the Right Hon. Baronet capable of, nor was
there a single measure, however monstrous, which he did not
think the Gentleman at the head of her Majesty's Government
Would be disposed to carry in pursuance of that course which
he called " expediency," but which he (Colonel Sibthorp)
`could designate by no other term than " disgraceful subser-
viency."—( Loud cries of " Order," and laughter.) Well,
if that epithet were too strong, he would withdraw the word
"disgraceful," to suit the tender consciences of the Howse, and
leave the designation "subserviency." The conduct of the
Government had been of late so extraordinary that he should
not feel at all surprised to see the Pope himself introduced as
a Alember of that House by the Right Hon. Baronet, or if that
gentleman himself took his seat some day as Mussulman, Ma-
, hometan, or Jew.—(Loud laughter, )
Lord J. RUSSELL admitted there were great merits in -this
Bill, more especially as it contained the distinguishing feature
of withdrawing religious tests. But when he came to thegeneral
question of education for the higher classes of Ireland, the
University of Dublin was presided over exclusively by Pro-
testants, and scholarships and all offices of distinction were
similarly exclusive. This inequality might be remedied in
two ways—either by endowing a Catholic college similarly
as Trinity College was sustained ; a second way, by giving the
means of equality, as far as secular, if not ecclesiastical, benefits
could be attained in the university. But if the Government
really wished to remove these obnoxious distinctions and dis-
abilities, it could easily be effected, whether the political, social,
or religious equality of creeds was considered. The people of
England would speedily recognise and assent to the principle,
and Ireland would at once be benefited and grateful. He
should support the amendment of the Honourable Gentleman
for the admission of Catholics into Trinity College, after which
he would cheerfully vote for the third reading of the Bill,
although it was not so perfect a Bill as he could have desired.
The House then divided, when there appeared.—
For the amendment
Against it
Majority against the amendment ----77
Sir R. H. INGLIS then proceeded to argue, that Govern-
ment would fail to make their system of education perfect and
effective if they wholly divested it of religion. No wan was a.
fit or competent person to be an instructor in natural philo-
sophy. or, in fact, in any of the sciences, who did not refer to
the name or the attributes of the Almighty, and he should,
therefore, move that the Bill be read a third time that day six
months.

Lord EBRINGTON declared his intention to oppose the
third reading of the Bill, because Government had not suffi-
ciently explained upon what principles these colleges were to be
governed.
The SPEAKER informed the Hon. Member for the Uni-
versity of Oxford, that a former amendment having been moved
upon the original motion, he could not put the amendment
which the Hon. Member had just proposed.
Sir R. H. INGLIS replied that he would meet the dia.
culty by withdrawing the amendment, and dividing on the
original question.
The House then divided, when there appeared--
For the third reading
Against it
...... 26
Majority in favour of it .. —.151
The Bill was then read a third time and passed.
NEW ZEALAND.
Mr. HAWES asked the First Lord of the Treasury whether
he had any objection to lay on the table of the House the in-
structions recently forwarded to the Governor of New Zealand?
Sir R. PEEL objected to their production. They were
confidential,!and could not, consistently with the public service,
be produced.
DRAINAGE (IRELAND) BILL.
On the order of the day for reading this Bill a second time
being read,
Mr. S. O'BRIEN suggested its postponement.
Sir R. PEEL objected to such a course.
_ _

After a few observations from Mr. Redington, Sir R. Fer-
guson, and Sir T.fremantle, the 13i11 was read a second time.