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class passengers, the amount was 1,6361. The quantity of minerals
and heavy goods conveyed by canal had been calculated at 633,122
tons, and by diverting a quarter of that to the railway, at the
average of a l id. per ton per mile, the amount would be 33,6061.
This proportion he considered a small one. Sometimes two-
thirds was taken, anti not unfrequently it has hap-
pened that the rail had swept the canal altogether.
The passengers by packet from Knottingley to Goole were also taken
into account, and, assuming the half of them to go by rail as
third-class passengers, the amount would be 233/. The live
stock were calculated at 75,127 head (including 61,600 sheep,
4,536 pigs, and the rest cows, &c.), and at 2d. per head this would
amount to 8,931/. The general merchandise and light goods
which were observed to be carted along the proposed
line was 47,000 tons, and the assumed traffic from
this source was estimated at 1,304/. He calculated the
working expenses at one-third of the estimated traffic, and as.
suming tee traffic at 46,000/., and the working expenses at about
18,6001., the income would be about 27,0001., or 7 per cent. on
the capital, 365,0001.
Mr. SEYMOUR—Is one-third the usual proportion taken for the
working expenses ?
Mr. Corrox—The Parliamentary allowance is 2s. sd, or 40 per
cent., but the difference did not materially affect the estimate.

This witness was cross-examined at considerable length by Mr.
KNOWLES as to his mode of classifying the estimates and ascertain-
ing the different calculations.

Mr. John Harris, engineer, examined by Mr. WILKINS—Was
connected with the Stockton and Darlington Railway, and had been
engaged on several others in the north of England. He con-
sidered the IIKe under consideration to be the best of all
those that had been projected to accommodate thepopulatirn of that
disttict.

The Speaker having been announced to be at prayers, the Corn.
mittee then adjourned till twelve o'cloek to.morrow.

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bridge Company. Could not say by how much ; but it was much
the best. It would ce important that the manufacturing districts
should have a short and quiek communication with Lincolnshire.
To Mr. BARKER—IS of opinion that the through North traffic
was recondary to that of the West Riding. The London and York
Company considered a line between Doncaster and Sheffield and
abandoned it, as it would not pay. Tnere was very good water
communication between those two places at present, and the dis-
tance was only about eleven miles.

Re-examined--Believes that Id. per ton per mile for the carriage
of coals would not pay unless it went a long continuous line, and
under the direction of one management. The distance from Lin-
coln to London by the London and York scheme was the same as
by the Cambridge.
The Committee then adjourned.

(YESTERDAY.)

Group B.
The Committee on assembling proceeded with the
LEEDS AND THIRSK LINE.

Mr. Grainger, the engineer, cross.examined by Mr. AUSTIN,
Q.C.—Witness has gone over the country to form estimates of the
expense. Declines to give in a detailed estimate. Can do so by
ccpying it from his book. That would show cuttings, embank-
ment, tunnels, and most of the slopes, and the prices.
Mr. AUSTIN submitted to the Committee that it would save con-
siderable t:me if a detailed statement was furnished, instead of
having to extract the same result by a long series of questions.
The engineer objected, as if it got into the hands of a con-
tractor, it would enable him to estimate according to the en-
gineer's estimate.
The CGAIMITTEE thought they could not order any written state-
ment, as it was objected to on the other side.
Cross-examination resumed—The cuttings for two miles are on
a slope. Had obtained the level by taking the depth of the centre
line. Has compared the country with the section. Was to have
consulted two contractors, but no contract has been concluded.
Has surveyed the country north and south from Leeds to North-
allerbon, and Poole and Weatherby west and east.
By Mr. WIIITEHURST, Queen's Counsel—Has examined the soil
in Bramholt, of which the principal part is sandstone. It is not a
solid bed, but consists of large blocks. Has examined the springs
at Bramholt, of which there are three or four. Two other gentle-
men have examined that part of the line, Mr. Jerdein, and Mr.
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apart. One borehole is opposite Bramholt-ball. When that bore-
liftrbetchaemperodmryOters, proposed certain
terms to Mr. Whitehurst ; but that gentleman stated that, appear-
ing as he did by order of the Lord Chancellor to protect the estate
of a lunatic, and having no power to take any sum of money, he
only sought to be placed in as good a situation as before.
Examination resumed—The tunnel commences near the first
borehole, and there is a cutting of 78 feet 10 inches, about 5-Bths
of a mile. The cuttings at the other boreholes are 130, 216, 270,
and 72 feet respectively. There are three or four springs in the
northern extremity of the tunnel. The tunnel would probably
affect to some extent all the springs in the neighbourhood. Is
not aware of any proposal having been made to the Leeds Water-
works Company for the conveyance of water to Leeds. The
width of the four permanent shafts in the tunnel will be 30 feet in
diameter. Is not aware of any means of preventing the drainage
of the springs by the construction of the tunnel. It would be
practicable to put a pump at the end of the tunnel and force the
water up to the highest level of the township. It is impossible to
tell what effects will arise to the springs until actually tried.
By Mr. Sergeant BELLasis—The branch connecting the line
with the Leeds and Bradford line quite the maine line at a dis-
tance of 41 miles from Leeds. That branch runs chiefly through
Lord Cardigan's property. The gradient is partly lin 33, in 1 in
102, and partly level. It is a descending level to the Bradford
line. The gradient lin 33 continues for one mile and a quarter,
and will be worked by an assistant engine. Another branch has
been abandoned, which was to run through Lnrd Cardigan's pro-
perty. The main line also runs through Lord Cardigan's property
for two miles and half. Part of that property consists of woods,
but not ornamental. The cost of the main line from the point
whence branches the Leeds and Bradford line, and the Leeds
station, about four miles and three-quarters, will be about
120,000/. The reason for making an entire line to Leeds,
parallel with the Leeds and Bradford line, was the difference of the
levels. The excavations and embankment on the main line are
4,553,605 cubical yards,
Mr. Sergeant Birr.Lasis then inquired the price per cubical yard
of embankments at certain spots.
Mr. OTEREND objected that an answer to such a question would
compromise the interests of the Company.
The Committee decided that the question might be answered.
The witness then said the cutting would be Is. 2d. and Is. 4d.
per yard.
The witness was then most minutely examined upon the whole
of the individual works to be executed on the line, and the rela.
tive estimated prices.
Mr. Hata., on the part of the Leeds Waterworks Company, said
that he was quite satisfied with the protective clauses to be in-
serted by the promoters.
Mr. James Fenton, civil engineer, was of opinion that the line
laid down by Mr. Grainger is the best that has been suggested,
and was perfectly satisfied with the estimates.
Mr. C. Vignolles, civil engineer, examined by Mr. BAINEs—
Has been over the Leeds and Thirsk line, and over the line sug-
gested to the east, and considers Mr. Grainger's as the best, forming
a link of communication with the north, the interest of Leeds, and
the western districts of the West Riding. It will allbrd better
accommodation to Knaresborough than the Pill- moor scheme.
Ripon is on the line, which goes right up to Thirsk. Has gone
carefully over the estimates, and is quite satisfied of their suffi-
ciency. The cross-examination of this witness elicited no point
of importance.
Mr. J. Evans said he had been a railway contractor for ten years,
and had been engaged on the Manchester and Leeds, and other
lines to a considerable extent. Has examined the estimates of this
line, and would be happy to take contracts at the prices, and has
signed a bond to that effect.
Mr. J. Bray, also a railway contractor, was similarly satisfied with
the estimates of Mr. Grainger, and had signed a bond agreeing to
perform the work at his prices.
Mr. Cooper, land-surveyor, stated the value of the land to be
taken by the main line to be 64,8491., and of the whole, including
the Leeds station, 104,0001.
The Committee at this point adjourned until to-morrow (this
day), at twelve o'clock.

(THIS DAY.)
The Committee re-assembled this morning at twelve; Mr. P. Al
Stewart in the chair.

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engineers as to the capabilities of the line and the propriety of the
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estimates.

He was cross-examined by Mr. WADDINGTON, but his cross-
examination was frequently interrupted by the CHAIRMAN, who
said that what he was stating the Committee had heard repeatedly
before.

Mr. EnolseN, the solicitor to the Bill, deposed to the number of
petitions presented in favour of that line, and as to the respectabi-
lity of the petitioners. The petition from Leeds had been signed
by 3,600 out of 4,000 of the constituents.
HARROGATE AND RIPON JUNCTION RAILWAY.
The Committee then proceeded to hear evidence in support of
the Harrogate and Ripon line.
Mr. Lawson M.P., examined by Mr. ROBINSON—Is intimately
acquainted with the countryi between Harrogate, and Knaresbo-
rough andiThirsk. The Harrogate and Ripon Junction is the only
line that affords proper accommodation to Boroughbridge. The
Harrogate and Ripon:, Junction goes close to Boroughbridge
and Knaresborough. The Leeds and Thirsk line will
not afford accommodation to Knaresborough. He presided
at a meeting at Boroughbridge last autumn, and, with the excep-
tion of Lord De Grey's agent, the meeting was unanimous in fa-
vour of thel Harrogate and Ripon line. There was a private
meeting at Knaresborough, attended by many shareholders in the
Leeds and Thirsk scheme. There were a number of workmen
employed by shareholders in the Leeds and Thirsk scheme present.
The meeting was in favour of the Leeds and Think line, but from
what he had heard from various inhabitants of Knaresborough, he
thought they were in favour of the Harrogate
and Ripon line.
Cross-examined—He considered the Harrowgate and Ripon line
would afford the greatest accommodation.
If a branch of the
Leeds and Thirsk line were brought into the town of Knaresbo-
rough, he did not consider it would be so good as the Harrogate
and Ripon line, because a branch was never so
good as being on
the main line. Had said that he should not object to vote for
the Leeds and Think line, and if the Committee approved of
it, he should have no objection to vote for the Leeds and Think
Bill if it came before Parliament. His own estate would be
benefited more by the Harrogate and Ripon line than by the Leeds
and Thirsk line.
Church
Fenton line also. Lord Be ross.examined by Mr. Hors for Lord De Grey, and for the
Grey's property was near to
that of witness, and as far as his estates were concerned, he had
g the same reason for supporting the Harrogate
and Ripon line that
witness had. Lord Be Grey was not a
resident there. Lord De
Grey's property. however, was nearer to
the Leeds and Thirsk line
than witness's estates.
By the CHAIRMAN—The nearest railroad to us at present is the
North of England. It is seven miles distant.
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Cross.examination restaned There have been two petitions
from Knaresborough, one each way.
Be-examined 14 Mr. ROBINSON—There is considerable commu-
nication f
betweenside of
John Hodgson produced the
returns of the towns within five
miles and of the
Leeds and Thirsk line. The Population along the Leeds and
Thirsk line, from Thirsk to Harrogate, is 08,822. From Thirsk to
Harrogate, along the Harrogate and Ripon, line,
:gate and Ripon line,
the population is
OBINS P
ON a magistrate
:33,464. From Harrogate to Leeds along the Leeds and Thirsk line
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the population is 11,160. From Harrogate
to Leeds, along the pro-
posed North of England extension branh the °potation is 16,617.
Mr. Basil Wood, examined by Mr. R
—ls
of the North and West Riding, residing
at Aldborough. The pro-
posed Harrogate and Ripon Junction would afford great accommo.
modation to the district through which it pass"' The proposed
Leeds and Think line would not afford anything like so much
accommodation to the district. The Harrogate and Ripon Junction
gwould afford facilities for supplying the ai,triet with superior coal
from the north. Knaresborough and Boroughbridge have both
fallen off in consequence of deficient railway accommodation.
Cross-examined by Mr. OYEREND— It certainly would be for the
advantage of Ripon to be situated en a main line, rather than upon
a branch. Witness resides close by Boroughbridge.
Cross-examined by Mr. HOPE—There is
a good water corn.
munication at present between Boroughbridge and Ripon.
Mr. John Howgy, is a land-agent and surveyor of Knares.
borough, and well acquainted with the district, and assisted in
making the population returns which have been given in evidence.
He took the population of the townships and not of the parishes,
and excluded all places which were furnished with accommodation
by existing railways. The' Harrogate and Ripon Junction . line
would confer a great benefit on the dislrict. It would open a
direct communication between Knaresborough and the coal