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London, England, 1821-05-29 00:00:00

GLERANVLY DIVORCE BILL.

Mr. LUSHINGTON presentedr;YeTtiti:r;TrOn Win; Vat:
man, Esq., of the Middle; Temple, agent Ord Glerawly,
stating that Lady ISabella wait now living in France, that a
copy. of the Divorce Bill had been served on her Ladyship,
naming her agent, and praying that Counsel be heard in favour

of the second reading of-the said Bill.—The Petition was
:dered to, -bg taken into consideration
Mr. J. P. GRANT :gave notice of a motion for Thursday,
respecting; the dispatch of business.
: • . BUDGET-41ORSE TAX.' •
Mr..CURIVEN: wished :. to know iEthe - Chancellor of the
Exchequer would postpone ,_the openiin the Budget, -already
fixed for-Friday, to Monday hot, Sand-allow the motion for
the-repeal of the Agritultural-Berse Tax onlbefornrer day.
Mr. ARBUTHNOT said that the Chancellor of the Exche-
quer was,then absent, but he thought that the arrangements
of the Right Honocirable Gentleman Would not admit of the
postponement.
Colonel DAVIES wished to know if it was, intended to put
Members in possession of the PUblic Accounts before the open-
ing of the Budget.
• Mr. ARBUTHNOT said, that these Accounts Were already
before the house. An Act .of Parliament r"quired.that they
should be presented before the 24th of March in each year.
Mr. HUME said that he bad made 'inquiries for the Ac-
counts and found that they were not yet printed.
Shortly after the CHANCELLOR of the ExciiEgur, took
his Seat,_ and _ _

Mr. bURNITEN renewed his application,-' 'and- observed
further that it inight.be expedient to postpone the :opening of
the Budget in consequence of the absence of the Public Ac,
counts. •

The CHANCELLOR of theEXCHEQUER said it would
be inconsistent with his arrangements ,to,cons.nt to she post.
ponement.

Mr. CALCRAFT wished for the postponement,- as he did
not think Members would have time to make themselves lie-
Ttaintal sufficiently with the state of the accounts before
riday. •
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER Would pro-
mise that the accounts should be in the hands of. Members cn
Friday. ,•• , .
Colonel DAVIES would put it to the House, 'if .it was pos-
sible fbr them to be adequately acquainted with the accounts by
one day's perusal.
Mr. CURWEN said that, under these circumstances, he
should'suffer his motion to stand for Friday.
• -; PUBLIC EXPENDITURE:
HUME presented a Petition from Mr, Hartison Wil-
kinson, proposing a plan by which it considerable. amount of
taxes might be dispensed with, and for a more convenient 're-
ceipt of the public revenue.—Laid on the table, and ordered to
be printed. .

PROPRIETORS OF WHARFS' BILL,
Mr. CALVERT moved the third reading of this Bill.
Mr, HUIVIE objected to it unon the ground that it was an
ex post facto measure, and that the rights of private individuals
would be taken away by its operations. The Hon. Member
wenf into some Statements in confirmation of his opinion, ord
to prove that a right of way to the water existed, Which would
be destroyed if the Bill passed into a law. He proyosed a
clause to be added to the Bill, which, he said, went to preserve
the rights of these individuals, whO would otherwise be irjurcd
by the measure.
Mr: CALVERT said, that he had hitherto.considered him-
self greatly indebted to the- lion. Mernber for Aberdeen, for
his exertions in that House, and the statements which le had
occasionally made to it. But if they were all like those which
he Lad maile upon the present occasion,
.he was really afiaid
that he had been misled ; and he must be very cautious in fL.
tore how he listened to that Hon. Member's suggestions. The
clause, if adopted, would completely nullify the Bill,
Mr. HUM E said that his clause went only to preserve the
rights of individuals as by law established.
-111 r. SCARLETT thought it rather hard that an Hon..Gen-
tlernan who had never attended the Committee, and after ever!
opposition had been made without effect in the Committek.,,
should come forward now to endeavour to introduce a clause
which would counteract the effect of the measure altogether.
The Hon. and Learned Member considered the law to be in
favour of the Bill.

A MEMBER, whose name could not be ascertained,. said a
few words in support of the Bill.
Sir J. GRAHAM said, that it was impossible that any
indi-
viduals could claim private rights such as warranted the passing
of the clause, and he was satisfied the -House wculd not coun.
tenance it.

Mr. T. WILSON did not mean to oppose the Bill, yet he
knew many persons in the City of London who were interested
in it, but were not anxious that-it should pass.
The House then upon the Clause, when the:-r p
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Noes . - - -
Majority against the Clause - •
Upon the re-admission -Of strangers to the Gallery,
Mr. Alderman BRVI)(ES was upon his legs proposing.
Clause, which was subsequently negatived without a ditision.
The Bal was then read a third time and passed. •
• POOR RELIEF AMENDMENT. BILL: •
Mr. SCATtLETT moved for the committal of the Pobr Re.
lief Amendment Bill, with a view to propose the clauses which
he had mentioned upon the last consideration of this measure.
Mr. P. MOOR}; rose, but upon some suggestion from the
Learned Mover, which we could not hear, the Hon. Member
resumed his seat.

The .Ilouse having resolved into a Committee, .. • •
Mr. MANSFIELD
expressed ithope that the Learned Qen,
tlerria9 would not press the adoption of this 'Eill within the
present Sessions, as he could assure him' and the Committee,
that ayery strong impression,against it prevailed in that: past cf
the country from which he came;. as Nell as in other quavers cf
which he had heard. • •

Mr. SCARLET.T assured the Committee that his inform-a--
tion as to the
.general opinioaupon the merits of this Meas Are
was quite the reverse of that stated by the lion. Member. His
intention at present was merely-to move that the clauses which
he had already described should be ,engrafted upon the Milt,
'and that upon bringing up the Report the farther consideration
of it should be fixed for to-morrow se'nnight, when the guts,
tion as to the principle of the measure might be discussed, upon
4.4 c motion for the Speaker's leaving the Chair. „ . .
Mr. CALCItAFT expressed his resolution, whenever this
7rrieasure should be next brought inta discussion, to take the
sense of the House upon its principle.
The clauses proposed by Mr. SCARLETT were adopted,
-the House resumed, the Report was brought up, and the fur-
ther consideration was fixed for to-morrow se'nnight.
On the motion of the CHANCELLOR of the EXCIIF,
QUER, it was ordered that the House Ahould. at its rising ad,
iourn until Wednesday.
COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY.—MISCELLANEOUS

ESTIMATES.
The House having gone into a Committee of
Supply,

Mr: -AR.BUTHNOT moved a Resolution for
granting the sum of 157,5001. to his. Majesty for
the service of the Barrack Department of Great
Britain, for the present year.
Colonel DAVIES opposed. the grant.--At a time
when barracks were scattered over the country,
as if it were a newly conquered province, it was
high time to examine into the necessity for such
establishments. For the same service which cost
the country 27,0001. in 1819, he saw, in the pre-
sent . Estiinates a sum of 29,0001. The Hon.
iVlember complained that at Leeds, Paisley, and
other places, where the barracks were not in use',
barrack masters and other officers were still tip-
pointed. He should be glad to hear from Hon:
Gentlemen opposite how this agreed with their
professions of economy. He should oppose this
part of the grant altogether. In the sum for pen-
sions and allowances he should also propose consi-
derable reduction. For the erection of new worki
there was a sum of 72,0001. This was expended
in the building of new Barracks,. in conseqUence
of the acts, certainly' some of them unjustifiable,
to which the manufacturing poor were driven by-
the unparalleled distress which they suffered. He
concluded by moving a reduction of 78,0001. upon
the original sum proposed.
Mr. ARBUTHNOT said that with respect to the
Barrack Masters employed by Government, if
the Gallant Officer would look at the scale of
their -salaries, he could not pronounce them to
be too large. No Barrack Master had ever been
appointed without the necessity of his appoint-
ment having. first been ascertained by the Comp;
troller of the Ban4ck Department. The Hon.
Member stated that he was applied to from that
officer a few days ago to have a Barrack Master
appointed, when he (Mr. Arbuthnot) inquired if
there was any person upon the Reduced List
who was qualified to succeed to the situation.•-
He was informed in reply that there was not.
All the vacancies that had occurred for some

time had been filled up by such deserving persons.
With regard to the sum for repairs, he did not
wonder at the lion. Member thinking it large,
because he had held the same opinion himself.
lie had accordingly procured all the details, and
they were open to the inspection of the Gallant
Officer, if he thought proper. In 1814, the Bar-
racks were capable of holding 160,000 men.
They had been subsequently reduced at various
periods until they now only accommodated
42,000. The greatest evils had been experienced
by soldiers being quartered at public houses in
the disturbed districts before the erection of
barracks. It was at that time found absolutely
necessary to form permanent stations for troops
in those parts of the kingdom. It was not to be
wondered at that the poor, suffering under dis-
tress, should be led away by the delusions of Mr.
Hunt, and others whom he could name. In such
a state of things the people ought to he protected
against themselves ; and it was much more wise
and humane to restrain them by the means which
had been adopted by the Government than to
leave them exposed to temptations which must
lead them to destruction. It was quite impos-1
sible for the Committee to do what the Gallant
Officer proposed, with regard to the allowance
for new barracks. The sum contained in the es-
timate for that purpose had been granted by the
House of Commons last Session. A sum of
88,000/. was voted on account last year, and
75,0001. of that now remained on hand. The
Government had found, on reconsideration, that
fewer barracks might be sufficient than were
originally intended to be erected ; and in their
wishes to economize, they had countermanded
the orders for the building of several that were
at first agreed upon.
Sir 3. NEWPORT had been always averse to
erecting new barracks in a time of peace. With
respect to the appointment of Barrack-masters, it
was well known that such situations had been
given away before the Bills for erecting the esta-
blishments were passed.
Mr. lIUME wished to draw the attention of the
Committee to the good old year 1792.—(A
laugh.)—ln that year three barracks were formed
Capable of containing 20,000 men, and the ex-
pence of Barrack-masters was only 4,500/. ; 401.
was then considered a good remuneration for that
which was now paid by 1801. The Barrack-
masters did not always live on the spot. At ,
Berwick the Barrack-master lived 14 miles off.
Be was a farmer, and the duty was done by a
Serjeant. In another place there was a linen-
draper, living 14 miles from Iladdington, and
yet he filled the office of Barrack-master for that
town. Many a Lieutenant would be glad to give
up his half-pay for such an office. In the time
of peace there was no duty in this respect that
could not be discharged by the Adjutant. In
1799, the whole of the Barrack Expence was
but 99,0001., and now it was 180,0001. although,
as he before observed, we were at peace. He
really thought the whole allowance to Barrack-
masters ought to be reduced one-half, and there
would then be an ample allowance left, for doing
little or nothing. If a barrack were to be erected
at every place where there was a temporary dis-
turbance, there would be no end of building bar-
racks. Ile trusted his Gallant Friend (Colonel
Davies) would press his Amendment, though he
(Mr. Hume) for one thought the proposed re-
duction too little.

Sir ROBERT HERON supported the Amendment.
Mr. BRIGHT said, the erection of new barracks
was most mischievous ; for it caused the people
to remember the past. He had observed those
who had the greatest stakes in the country ne-
glecting to attend the House on the most im-
portant votes, and he had observed Gentlemen
on the opposite side, very coolly and regularly
coming down to the House, and voting for their
own salaries.—(Hear, hear !)
Mr. MABERLY spoke in favour of the Amend-
ment. He thought the barracks erected last year
bad been perfectly unnecessary.
Colonel DAVIES and Mr. ARBUTHNOT mu-
tually explained.
Mr. WILLIAMS said that Government had now
admitted their former vies~ of the subject had
been erroneous, as they had abandoned their first
intention of erecting Barracks in several places.
He should vote for the Amendment.
Mr. HAttnonn declared himself adverse to
the principle of ruling an intelligent community
by intimidation.
After a few words from Mr. lIUME and Mr.
ARBUTHNOT, strangers were ordered to with-
draw, and the Committee divided, when there
appeared—
For tFe Original Moion
For Col. Davies's Amendment
Majority

- 29
- -.24.

Mr. ARBUTHNOT then moved a Resolution for
a sum of 280,0001. for Contingencies, in which
was included a sum of 43,000/. for the expences
of the proceedings against her Majesty.
Mr. BENNET, referring to the expences, said
that the proceedings against her Majesty were inju-
dicious, abandoned, profligate, and infamous. The
evidence on the subject with which the country
was deluged, had been nauseous and offensive.
The country never would forgive the measure,
and he should think himself disgraced by asso-
ciating with the men who conducted it. The
Ministers had borne the disgrace, and they alone
ought to bear the expences. He was perfectly
willing to vote for a measure which would sub-
ject their estates to pay for these infamous pro-
ceedings. lie was determined not to vote a shil-
ling to come out of the purses of the people.
Mr. D. BaowsE said a few words which we
did not distinctly hear.
The CHANCELLOROf the EXCHEQUER said, that
his Majesty's Ministers were prepared to meet
any charge which the Hon. Member for Shrews-
bury might think proper to bring against them on
the subject alluded to, but the present was not
the moment for discussing the merits of that sub-
ject. The present vote was necessary in conse-
quence of the change which took place in the
Civil List in the year 1815.

Mr. HumE said, that backed as the Right
Hon. Gentleman was by his majority, it was well
for him to talk of his readiness to meet charges.
It was an insult to the House to talk of meet-
ing charges arising out of the infamous charges in

question. The Noble Marquess not now in his
place had declared—
The CHAIRMAN here called the Hon. Mem-
ber to order for referring to a previous debate.

Mr. HUME said that he should not refer in terms
to any debate of the House ; though he believed
he had a right to refer to the debate of a previ-
ous Session. He would say then that he had
heard the Noble Marquess in a certain Assembly;
he would not say whether it was a respectable
Assembly or not—(Cries of " Order!" "Chair.")
The CHAIRMAN again interposed, and appeal-
ed to the Committee whether the observations of
the Hon. Member were not highly disorder] y.
Mr. BENNET said the House of Commons had
not been mentioned.

I Mr. Humc rose again, and said that the only
way in which he could account for the interrup-
tion was by supposing that the Chairman ap-
plied the observation to himself.—(Loud cries of
---44 Order 1")
Mr. BROGDEN (the Chairman) said the Com-
mittee would see that in his situation he was not
able to defend himself against a personal imputa-
tion. In the interruption he conceived he had
only discharged his duty.
Mr. HumE said, he could only judge of the ap-
plication of his words from the feelings of the
Hon. Chairman. He knew the subject was an
unpleasant one, but when he heard Ministers
speak of their responsibility he could not refrain.
however, to come to the subject, he should wish
to know what had become of the property of the
late King, or whether he made a will ? If not,
his property became public money, and before he
voted for this sum, he should know whether it
were available to public purposes. The English
language could not furnish terms to designate
that infamous proceeding. As an Englishman he
felt his heart glow with indignation against the
men who could resort to such violence and op-
pression against an individual whom they thought
unprotected. But the people nobly exerted
themselves, and until her Majesty was restored to
all her privileges, he should never be silent
whenever the question was renewed. The next
item in this estimate was 6,000/. for the Alien
Act—(Hear)—and he certainly never should
support that un-English-like Act. The next
was 5,0001. for the Insolvent Debtors' Court.—
They had appointed a Judge, and purchased a
splendid house at Lincoln's Inn, and he would
ask, was this a time for putting the country to
such an expence? There were other smaller sums
for the Board of Controul to which he objected ;
62,074/. for the outfit of Ambassadors was a
large sum, and he contended that the allowances
to all our public Ministers abroad were too high.
A considerable saving might be effected by re-
ducing the allowances to Consuls and the Ambas-
sadors to the petty States of Germany. He ob-
jected to the sum of 6,241/. as composition of an
action at law against Governor Maxwell, of
Sierra Leone. It appeared that an individual
had, by a Jury of his country, been awarded
damages for an illegal seizure of his property by
Governor Maxwell, and to bear him harmless this
sum was now required. He should propose, that
instead of the sum now required of 280,0001. for
civil contingencies, that 200,000/. be granted to
his Majesty for those services.
Mr. BRouonim, at the same time that he per-
fectly agreed with the Hon. Member for Aber-
deen, that if his Majesty's Ministers could fore-
see the amount of any one payment, it was their
duty to put it in an estimate, it did not require
the acuteness and indefatigable industry of that
lion. Member to point out that several of the
items in the paper on the table were of that de-
scription ; but with respect to one item, he was
at issue with the Hon. Member on the merits of
the case. He owed it to a gallant Officer, who
had been grossly calumniated in a Petition pre-
sented to that House, for the third time, to give
an explanation of the circumstances respecting
which the sum of 6,2411. was now required,
though it was somewhat hard on persons exposed
to such calumnies that no length of time or series
of explanations can exempt them from reiterated
attacks. The Hon. Member for Aberdeen had
taken it up as if the name of Governor Maxwell
had never even been heard of, when in fact in
the Parliament before the last the whole matter
was gone into, and the fullest explanation given.
The Hon. Member had stated it as if the verdict
of a jury having been given in favour of Cook
was a good presumption that Governor Maxwell
was wrong. But that verdict had nothing to do
with the merits. Cook was a notorious slave-
dealer; that traffic being put down by one Act
of Parliament, and by a subsequent Act made
felony, was still continued by him. He and
two others were tried at Sierra Leone for slave-
trading, and to shew the Committee how little
the merits were against Governor Maxwell at
Sierra Leone, where he was tried, Cook pleaded
guilty, and was sentenced to transportation for
fourteen years, and it was when they were
on board the hulks here, that his friend the
Lord Chief Baron of Scotland discovered a
defect in the jurisdiction. There was a statute
of Henry VIII. which the Felony Act it was
held did not revive. At Sierra Leone, where
they were known, they never claimed to be
Americans, but here they first discovered that
they were Americans. They were then, in an
act of severe but painful justice, immediately set
at liberty—painful he called that act of justice
which compelled the setting at liberty of such
persons. Cook then brought his action against
Governor Maxwell for the seizure of the slaves,
and it was perfectly clear he must have a ver-
dict, as it was not possible for Governor Max-
well to put in evidence the record of Cook's
conviction ; the Jury returned a verdict for
12,0001. which Cook was glad afterwards to re-
duce to 6,0001. by compounding to receive that
sum. He was quite sure that any man who had
heard the tenth part of what he had stated,
would say that it would be the grossest act of
injustice if Governor Maxwell were to be called
upon to pay a single shilling of these damages.
Mr. ARBUTHNOT said, after the clear explana-
tion of the Hon. and Learned Member, it was'
not necessary for him to add a single word re-
specting the case of Governor Maxwell. He de-
fended the charge of 4,0001. for the Cob of Lyme,
as necessary for the security of the shipping on

that coast, lie adverted to the other items men-
tioned by the Hon. Member, which he also de-
fended. The allowances to Foreign Ministers
were, in his opinion, not at all extravagant, con-
sidering that it was not with our Ambassadors as
it was with the Ambassadors of Foreign Powers,
where the -liplomatic line was considered as
leading to the highest offices in the State.

Sir J. NEWPORT wished to knew the meaning
of a certain qradruple alliance he found dotvn
in the paper before them, to which Russia, Aus-
tria, Prussia, and England, appeared to be parties.
Mr. ARBUTHNOT was not able to satisfy the
Hon. Baronet on the subject. In saying what lie
had, he was taken by surprise, in consequence of
the absence of his Noble Friend the Secretary
for Foreign Affairs.

Air. WILBERFORCE made a few observations
relative to Governor Maxwell, which were not
audible in the Gallery.
Mr. LENNARD, ill allusion to an item in the
Civil Contingencies of last year, for the pay of
individuals sent to foreign countries, to collect
exotics for Kew gardens, complained that those
gardens were shut to the public.
Mr. ARBUTHNOT agreed with the Hon. Gen-
tleman that these gardens ought to be open. He
had to inform the Committee, however, that the
collectors of plants in foreign countries had been
ordered home. With regard to the benefit to be
derived from the opening of these gardens to their
admission, that might be derived from the gar-
dens of the Horticultural Society, which were
permitted to share in all the rare and other
exotics sent home for Kew Gardens.

Mr. W. SMITH thought that as the gardens at
Kew were private gardens, they ought to be
paid for out of the King's Privy Purse.
Lord MivroN thought that the gardens at Kew,
having no longer a Royal Resident, ought to be
open to the public.

Mr. ARBUTHNOT repeated what he had before
said.

Mr. HusrussoN said that the Horticultural
Society were extremely liberal, their only wish
being to disseminate all rare plants as much as
possible.
Mr. BENNET made a few observations on the
same subject. He regretted the foreign col-
lectors were ordered home, as he thought their
labours well worth the 10001. charged.
Dr. LUSHINGTON remarked on the extrava-
gance of the practice of making presents to Am-
bassadors from foreign countries.
Mr. ARBUTIINOT observed, that it had been the
custom from time immemorial to make a present
to an Ambassador, on his being recalled, of a gold
snuff-box, with the picture of his Majesty set in
brilliants. The usual amount of these expences,
however, had been much curtailed by his Noble
Friend the Secretary for Foreign Affairs.
Sir J. NEWPORT noticed a large sum drawn for
a brilliant Rosette, presented to the Persian
Ambassador.

Mr. ARBUTHNOT said it had always been found
necessary to make presents, to a great extent, to
the Persian Ambassador and his Sovere:gn. His
Noble Friend, however, (the Marquess of Lon-
donderry), had found means to reduce the amount
of these presents from 21,0001. to 11,0001.
Sir W. DE CRESPIGNY made a few observa-
tions, which we could not hear.

Mr. DENMAN thought that as the amount for
the Civil contingencies last year was made up of
the expences of the Queen's trial, the indemnifi-
cation of Governor Maxwell, and many other
such like services, there would be no necessity
for voting so much as the amendment of his Hon.
Friend meant to grant. Considering that 300,0001.
was granted last year, and that only 215,0001.
were accounted for, a deduction ought to be made
for the remaining sum unaccounted for, and he
should move to amend the amendment to 145,0001.
Mr. ARBUTHNOT said, if the Hon. and Learned
Gentleman would turn to the Miscellaneous Ser-
vices, he would find how the remaining 80,0001.
were disposed of.

Mr. DENMAN still found many sums there not
likely to he required again.
Mr. lIUsKIssON explained, that the present
vote'was one on account, for which his Majesty's
Ministers were to account next Session. If the
service on which it was likely to be expended
could be foreseen, of course they would be in
their proper Estimates, and there would be no
Miscellaneous Service at all.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, in reply
to a question put by an Hon. Baronet opposite
relative to the Quadruple Treaty, had to state
that it was a Territorial Treaty settling the
boundaries of Germany, to which this country
was a party.

Lord MitiroN complained that a treaty of such
a description as was likely to lead the country
into a wary should never have been laid before
that House.

Mr. ROBINSON stated that our being a party to
it was merely nominal, and consequent upon our
being a party to the Treaty of Chaumont and
afterwards of Paris. The matter of the Treaty
was settled by the German Princes, and this
country was merely called upon to be a party to it.
Some further conversation on this subject took
place between Sir J. NEWPORT, Mr. RoBINsoN,
Mr. MABERLEY, Mr. BENNET, and Mr. AR-
BUTHNOT.

Dr. LUSHINGTON supported the blast Amend-
ment, on the ground that the incidental expences
would certainly increase in proportion to the
sum granted. He thought it would be serving
Ministers to vote them less money, as they would
then have a sufficient answer to those Gentlemen,
amongst whom were Members of that House, who
called for advances of public money upon the
strength of their influence in that House, and
which Ministers really felt a difficulty in refusing.
Mr. ARBUTIINOT wished the Hon. and Learned
Member would point out one item of the descrip-
tion he mentioned.

Mr. HUME said, that an office granted in that
way was that of Paymaster to the Police—given
to Mr. Bathurst.

Mr. ARBUTHNOT observed, that the office bad
been abolished.

Mr. BATHURST observed, that this was the se-
cond time the Hon. Member had mentioned a
relation of his. He ought, however, to have
known that the office he alluded to was one

held by Act or Parliament, and, therefore, it was
peremptory on the Secretary of State to fill it up
on the death of Mr. Colquhoun, which he had
done by placing his (Mr. Bathurst's) son in it,
although he shortly withdrew from it, in con-
sequence of the Honourable Member's remarks.
If the Honourable Member did not know these
facts, he was grossly ignorant of what he talked
about.—Mr. HUME explained.
. _

After a few words from the CHANcELLott of
the EXCHEQUER and Lord MILTON,
Mr. DENMAN withdrew his Amendment, and
the House divided on Mr. Hurne's Amendment.
The numbers were—

For the Amendment - - - 77
Against it - - - - 106
Majority - - - - -29
£lO,OOO was then granted for the works on the College of
Edinburgh.
, £40,000 was proposed for the Penitentiary, Millbank.
Mr. J. SMITH opposed the grant. Unless
some reason should be shewn different from that
which had been previously stated in support of
the expence, it was his intention to oppose the
motion. He considered the whole establishment
a job ; it was surrounded by a ditch, and, in
point of health, no situation round London could
be more unfavourable.

Mr. MAncaLEy opposed the establishment, and
complained of the expence, which had amounted
to 550,0001. since the commencement. Observ-
ing Mr. Gipps laugh, he said it might be a laugh-
ing matter to the Hon. Gentleman who rode his
hobby from morn to night, but it was a serious
subject for the public. The place occasioned
an expence of 511. per man. He held in his
hand Parliamentary papers, and he collected
from these documents that the total was 80/. per
head. The expence of convicts on board the
hulks did not exceed 331. 13s. per head ; the
earnings amounting to 161. being deducted, left
only 17/. per head. The expence of the Peni-
tentiary exceeded the expence of sending con-
victs to Botany Bay. The mode of employing
the convicts in the Penitentiary was unfair. They
were enabled to work cheaper than the poor
people at Westminster ; and the consequence
was, they drove the honest industrious, who could
not stand in competition with them, into the
workhouse.

Mr. HOLFORD defended the Institution. With
respect to the situation, it was erroneous to sup-
pose the ground was below high water mark.--
It was considered some years ago a proper spot,
and being near the metropolis, the expellee had
been greater than it would have been in any
other place. In its present state it was not se-
cure. The works required carrying on, and
when the whole was complete, the expense
would cease. It was well known that an excel-
lent discipline was observed, for the purpose of
reforming the morals of the inmates, and it
might be considered a humane receptacle for
offenders who had not been guilty of more than
one offence.

Mr. G. BENNET considered the Penitentiary a
proper prison for those offenders who were not of
the most abandoned class. The Hon. Member
deprecated the irregular mode of suffering pu-
nishment to fall equally on those who had been
guilty of first and second offences. The Peni-
tentiary made a proper distinction with respect
to criminals, and it was subject of regret, that the
enormous expence disposed persons to lose sight
of the benefit to be derived from such institu-
tions. He hoped to see an end of the expence.
Sir C. LONG expressed his' surprise that the
Hon. Member should charge his Hon. Friend
with riding his hobby from morn till night, there-
by drawing an inference that his Hon. Friend
had done something wrong. What was the hobby
horse? It was an endeavour to promote huma-
nity and reclaim the vicious. The public, in his
opinion, were much indebted to his Hon. Friend.
The Hon. Gentleman had said he hoped to see
an end of this expence. He could assure him
this would be the last vote but one. Every care
had been paid to economy in the expenditure,
but if they were determined to give moral in-
struction, they could not avoid considerable ex-
pence. In many instances among the women
reformation had been produced and punishment
remitted.

Mr. INIABERLEY again observed, that the esta-
blishment was not advantageous to the country.
Unless some very extensive benefit was to be de-
rived, it had better be given up.
Mr. Girrs and Mr. ITARBORD defended the
establishment.

Dr. LUSIIINGTON also supported the establish-
ment, and gave the tribute of his thanks to the
Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Gipps) for the efforts he
had made to promote the cause of humanity.
The resolution was agreed to without a division.
Mr. IRVING and Mr. P. MoonE then rose to-
gether, but the first Hon. Member had possession
of the House.

Mr. InviNG, after a few observations respect-
ing the proceedings of the Committee of which
he was the Chairman, moved a grant of 20,060/.
to be paid to General Baron des Fourneaux, as a
compensation for the losses sustained by that
Officer at the capture of Guadaloupe in 1794.
Mr. P. MOORE then said, he had no wish to
withstand an act of justice : but as the time for
Adjournment had come, he should move to report
progress.

- The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, the
lion. Member who had moved the Resolution
might withdraw his motion, with an understand-
ing that he was in possession of the Committee.
Mr. IRVING, on that suggestion, withdrew his
motion, and the Chairman having reported pro-
gress, the Report was ordered to be received on
Wednesday.

GOVERNMENT ADVERTISEMENTS.

Mr. HUME put a question to the Chanccllor of
the Exchecraer relative to the manner in which
Government inserted its Advertisements in the
daily Journals. He wished to know whether
the system of confining the Advertisements of
Government to the Government Papers, which
had been so generally acted upon in Ireland, had
been introduced into England. He asked the
question, because he had observed that from Pa-
pers of a certain description these Advertisements
were carefully excluded. The Times, for in-
stance, had not had a Government Advertisement
for the last 18 mouths.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER replied;

AIARRIED.
On Friday last, Mr. Robert Rickards, of Chiswell-street'
Finsbury-square, to Miss Reid, of Liverpool.
Yesterday, at Marylebone New Church, Frederick Airebb,
Esq. of Lar,gbam Place 7and Westwick, county of DlErbanl,
Mary, eldest daughter of Mrs. Shiel, of South Audley-strect•

DIED.
On Sunday last, at his residence in Foley-place, Mr. Itichard
Huddleston Potter, in the 66th year of his age.
On Sunday last, Daniel Kay, Esq., of Aldersgatc-street"
Deputy of the Ward of Aldcrsgate.
At Paris, on the 14th instant, Catherine Mary, wife of Lieut.-
General Hodgson, son of the late Field Marshal HodgFon•
On Saturday last, suddenly, in a fit of apoplcKy, John CanlP"
bell, Esq., of Conduit-vale, Blackheath.

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