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London, England, 1845-06-24 00:00:00

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RAILWAY COMMITTEES

(THIS DAY.)

HOUSE OF LORDS.

DUNDEE FIND PERTH.
The Committee on this Bill met to-day at eleven o'clock, the
Duke of Buckingham the chair.
Mr. Andrews, o.C.i,n opened the case for the promoters of the
Bill. Agents, Messrs. Spottiswoocle.
The preamble of the Bill being unopposed, it was immediatelY
declared proved.
Mr. FoßsyTit, for the Harbour Commissioners—The line of rail-
way was to cross a road at the south side of the river Tay hy.
lon
bridge, which was only proposed to be constructed at an elevatio
of 12 feet in some sections, and 11 in others. This elevation vfO
not sufficient for the purposes of the navigation, and the of
asked that the Committee should have a clause in the Bill, b,ndL!'g
the parties to an elevation of 14 feet all through. The Cornelis!
sinners would lose a great portion of their traffic by the proposed
line running parallel to a considerable extent with the harbour'
Mr. Stephenson, Mr. Graham, and Mr. Miller, civil crigilie"s'
were then called to speak as to the general merits of the line.
pith,
The examination of witnesses in this Bill was proceeded
and after an application had been made on behalf of one of the
landowners on the line, preventing the Company interfering ill
particular point with his property, the clauses were gone tiT'ug
and the Noble Chairman said he would report to the House.

THE ABERDEEN RAILWAY.
After
This Committee was named to sit at eleven o'clock, but
some little delay the Noble Lords assembled adjourued to three
o'clock, in consequence of the absence of one of the Committee.

ED INEURGH aND ELLINVICK nill raw lII'
orning
On the reassembling of the Committee this m, Sir al._
tLI
itoai
nou
gt_t Etoevet
h, appeared
nil)ieeta,
oer
fedt
hteoioapn
traversingld, oosutehntechtpesrpoorpneeartmt7bl el
was,tno
en. behalf of ►Mr. 13 luce . i,
been laid out for ornamental purposes, and was susceptible of still
greater improvement,
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utthye. passing
ttehttrxieriaolguirgli°ll,h3uel
dnvv°:liajtuec:ldd°
Mr. Harket, landed proprietor in Fifeshirteiatwaass
dtheposed that if the line were carried through the Langlee
e value of the property would be greatly depreciated, 50d
an
itthivoug persona might be found to purcha,e the depreciated)
as
tehsetmt ent, no one in his senses would buy the estate to mould be
very
grteoaitse and nuisance from the passage of the trains
Ile coincided entirreLy
t Mr. Pringle, M.P., was next examined
dnucthe opinion that the value of the land would be considerably
oid
ed if the proposed railway was carried throu
igh. lie
also
tIY
proved, and its value coDEcquen
that the property might be im
increased. examined the
r. undas, civil engineer, stated th
and had Ouni au
errat he hador of
sleixvMteelsenofD feet.the Edinburgh and Hawick line,
.i h Sir
M.Mr. Hope objected to the course of eXamination adoPte• "Yd...
Ridley, and stated that the
orders, and had already been setPtrledesenbq twhe'SatagnudrnteOril:fer6t'3l;
mittee.
After some discussion the point was not insisted 00- went
The main features of the evidence adduced by Mr. DUO"'
to show that ' . consurerable difficulties militated again"
lion of the line. well ac"
Mr. Locke, civil engineer, also deposed as to the ditfculti"°f the
line. He admitted, however, that he was not perfnec Y
°better bne
could
eprainted with the country, nor did he know that
be made.
Other en
It was not what he should consider a
gineering evidence of a similar nature WO .
AtiOn
Mr. Bidder and Mr. Stephenson, at the close of whose exatnin
the Committee adjourned till to-morrow• the construc.
afalvotuordaberleedlinbe;

LEEDS A -------- strocrZON.
—ND WEST ILIDZITO
the TheS el
ect referred
re-assembled shortly after eleven o'clock this morning, and r°l
engineeringCoesnymidietntecce7cfhLor7l;aliilsr.railway
Mr, Ha •
Compan strick, the engineer of the London and Brigh
former
of the,
y, was called to corroborate the testimony
engineering •
witnesses. ha s beento Ile:
jui
ye:::
Mr. Leather
workin f 'an engineer, who had had some e
roposed line
c curves, proved that the curves on the
P
were anything
seTehsteatwe
The
it but unfavourable.
of the line. 31r. ALE%.
ANDER, Q.cne,s was cross-examined at louse lengtilbdl by
_a..,
_....
Halifax, who.' on
behalf of Miss Walker, of Sh en t Hie llir:
xperience in the
tral line pase"
within 70
while yards of the drawing-room window of the ,0.1
iwthoeuslsdabdereciotintedplettytdtishfieguereend.b! I
man
and
pass . trl,7 deviation line would cut off one of the buttresses, 0
__tn ugh the kitchen-garden attached to the s'"".o„obo.
Mr. Brunell, ' engineer to the Great Western CompsnY,
rated the testimony of e last witness
The NOBLE CHAIRMAN—You we * present, I think, at the un'
fortunate occurrance on the Great :Western Line the other 01 f
Witness—l was.
The N , perfect
~ ODLE CHAIRMAN—That accident occurred en " '

plane?

line who

Witness—lt did.
friend
The Noee CHAIRMAN—I learn from 3
attribute
occupied one of the carriages, that the accident WAS
of ull"-hie to
rs
to one
the increased speed of the train.
Witness—No; I think it was attributable to
defect
and this
of the carriages.
Mr. Gibbs, another engineer, gave similar testirnonY,
;
of
witness closed the engineering evidence.nrader
wtce t°
Mr. William Walker, a worsted manufacturer, e.
and Mr. W. Martin, a woolstapler, of the same
the
en
the great advantage the proposed hue would be to tn
ighbourhood of Bradford. t„ of the
neighbourhood
Mr. Ralph and Mr. John Waterhouse, two magistraoed line
West Riding, and residents at Halifax, said the POP
would prove of incalculable advantage to that twn. toe sd'
Other witnesses from Brighouse, Elland, and other Places
jacent to the proposed lines, gave evidence in favour Of the
This closed the case for the promoters. the Con”
Mr. Sergeant TALFOVRD then proceeded' to address -4, ere;
mittee on behalf of the opponents of the Bill: He said
Cilheil
~nroft ‘‘.;tl. %dont,. to Allow the Committee that the hef Ore
gradients on the proposed line were as mischievous aS t,tjettee
objectionable and unnecessary, and if time were allow" d lents'
line, with less severe and less objectionable curves an 4 Bra
might be obtained.
Mr. 13usfeild, M. P. for Bradford, was the first wltne°,ooeie,
He considered the West Riding scheme was highly objectill „toe.
° and not calculated to accommodate the heavy traffic of the bowed.
On the whole, therefore, he thought a better line might be
nee the
Mr. Charles Wood, M.P. for Halifax, was called to P'th the
the Leeds and Manchester Company had broken faithr h
On
people of Halifax in respect to the construction of a h annicpleioed
their main line to flaWax. The people of Halifax having
very much at the present moment of the CoMpallY
dittrir
tained the entire control of the water consmnnication of
the
of
in
Mr. John Brigg, a resident of the Valley of the /,.,eacj of
that the proposed line would be an inconvenience
accommadation to that district. lfidlan
Mr. John Waddington, of Leeds, and a Director of the
was opposed to the proposed l edgn
fa,°' th't tt'er
Mr. Ha.ner Stansfield, the late' Mayor of Leeds, Prnve
more influential part of the inhabitants of that town W"
of the:opposing scheme. tomorrow
The Committee then adjourned till eleven o'clock
wer/10°' of
STANDING ORDERS COM"'"" ebeirfosnrce
The following Bills came before Lord Shaftesoff(.ost tb"
the Standing Orders Committee, this day, It 11 slots, r,oletil;
o'clock :—The Bury and Ipswich Railway, the Gia!gßatiwei,
Kilmarnock, and Ayr Railway, the Eastern Vol" „,,tiesaY• 0
Trent Valley Railway, and the Blackburn and PresOnann,e order/
The Committee informed the parties that the et e
had been complied with.

HOUSE OF COMMONS"
GROUP A.
CROYDON (ATIVI
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MINE. 'on of witreeles:
Mr. Franklin,,wis•hitoinsgtalGedra:ehsaetnhdeartesii,dredesenatt The I°l
favour of the above line was continued.
,} Ild 'IlS:
GerAVe :e..
tnd
I:relsi de
fo::
twheall acquainted with the class of persons who visit 4"ccoce
posmrnitsAteeNsDat as usual, and the exarni
xisting, eon,
Lion
LinaolOnTi t
e hdNf
toeorwc,
11. This witness spoke to the nature of the a which ,
ti)hrees sideatseeffid act
efficiency
crGravesend
opinion
thought sufficient for the traffic of the town. 14°1 oid therc ,
visiting Gravesend went there on pleasure, and we° a cal
re'
prefer the steam-boat communication now existing w her, e
e%•
Mr. G. Evans, general agent at Gravesend, and.,ll;ce, an,d,.,,,,A
Mr. Hisswell aonthfdslog to
was unnecessary.• la sr° o
•Wool• 'cli
''jcoeletj'.
rated
fr. theii
aarbmo
av,e,
,of evidence.
E rith,
London, and thought a railway would have no chance°
with the steam-boats.
Mr. F. Tildeonf, , cotr°"-
smtpohrrr.ateh:seflamnetietthrtrailway
tradesmen corroborated
alo it de
ovnt u
:06°
it aw : , ,
~ i
Mr. Backster, a gentleman of properti at 0 6ree'r
that a raipgsy t
hithe coul ~1 cor°„,°:
d not compete with the steani.boats.
s steani.— he tre":-.
ideation betw .. eient for I,d r.O
een London and Erith quitet was t' ; fare,
The fare from Erith to London by the steam'"" ,'owe, ~c to
railway could compete with the steam.beats Unlesl at:the
Mr. Humphrey, who stated that he had estirwated'
ewes fao
be expected on various proposed railways, an 113 •WitJe°s,ftosed
his estimates accurate, was then examined by sfr.„, the 1-')(toot
handed in estimates of the probable expense s' joie ij
line. —.l atich foul
He had examined the ProPos`- br be
. e ou
Sydenham to Orpington, during May fast,
f the ift• eye
that on public roads, two to three ild'e7,l°nces of-
each side, an average of 474,000 persons travel dil , Viet the
mile annually, at an average expense of 3d. Per
_ole,,l.aer,ee o:3i to
rage number of persons travelling by private cony J_...,,, eti tore.
same roads was 173,514, travelling various distairiet: 0 Anoeut
976,000 persons travelling distances of one mlchandise ,500
rage expense of 7d. per mile. of Iner_„„3lto a3'= 000
89,720 tons, were carried various distances, being '•,-rried °toed
tons, carried one mile. Of coals 17,480 tons wereoc.
t" etere cs
iot
distances, and of agricultural produce 25,004 „ue niile*,„osed
various distances, or 103,183 tons were carried .f the Prop Oaf
this traffic was available by the Orpington branch 9., the 404
line. The above calculations were founded `line °.r, so
traffic on the roads near the proPese_ „file 1",,,,e.
May last, that being the most unfavourable seas
.03fi:'
at the
.',' ue
there was no fruit and very little coal on the
this traffic woOlu
The revenne which might be expected from this
„toPple
19,5221. 2s. 6id.or the ' ollet'
Mr. Humphrey then entered Into calculationions n qt. vigt
(iv
amount of traffic on other parts of this, ° i:,it, of t ?.1,1,
e quan"pd Clu
Mr. Vignolles had calculated as available a large e
teP°S- Wiee'
which would not be likely to be transferred to the traffic rot „tint
Kent) line. In one case be had calculated the •,,. The 3 . the
The total amount of these overcharges was '26,45434, 0 tho
of revenue expected by Mr. Vignolles was 93'6 eta
greatest probable amount would be 67,20'21•
east soos, lot
The witness being cross-examined by Mr. Serg, the etir of
that he had been examined before some
~ coluil,(', ,rie
Parliamentary Committees, and had always founa.:l!eauoetieo 0
traffic correct, and never overrated. Mr. year (:el:
overo`
thou thought
tuhgu :In
ptic
ra
nn Iffif:lwi,..,
traffic for the North Kent line) had several tildes
0,1,00,
traffic of lines which he had estimated. Mr. I‘l°"°
The witness was then cross-examined by
,v104005'
and re-examined by Mr. WILMORE.
h Which the., , 104'
ined by gr• ' royo°
Mr. Fuller, land valuer, was then exam
who stated that lie had valued the land throucig . _
seven nnied the
line passed. The Orpit:gton branch would be 523001
and would pass through land to the value 1 .
nt to 3,0001.,1",. loti
compensation for house property would arnou
3,. tbrougl,iot,/,
erty to the up to
to the value of 34,600/., and house pcoP e Ceronitace
th
15,000 j. The other portions of the line would P ;munt IA the
The evidence' f this witness occupied
hour of adjournment.

ld
NCtluZintAz
Guildhall .MiIes,GROUP GG.
ILARILNEAD, fl INTZZ%,O—
The Committee, consEistaXingr'oWf .IVr. *Evans
.s(C.r..i.r.rna:ini. I)t.ll(c.'
, Westminster, to hear the engineering evlau
above line. and Mr. Newdegate, sat thi 01'nc; ti
b 1 gr.
Mr. Neil Robson, civil Engineer, called and examin— a live
Fli Sergeantoc ks h
aßwil:LASTish—orlnliej. had been instructed to isY do"in sveit,
between Glasgow on the cut and the town of Neilsto
t.. .00 .
non the or
_which° would connect by the most direct route n
&C., with thelen:oved
His Intended station at Glaegow would be further