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ivith enthusiasm, and with the doctrines of Exeter Hall still
sindin, in his ears so nehow or other. he generally observed
'hat their common sense acted won.lerfully upon his religious
opinions. and like a d .1-vise he went round—he went round b,
'ittle and little, hut still he went round. It was a Parliamen-
tary Polka which the Hight Hon. Gentleman the Chonceller
.if the Exchequer and the Right tin e Gentleman the Member.
fir Newark were practising at that moment.--(Laughter. r
His Right Hon Friend, late a Member of the Cabinet, hart
several times opposed himself to the principle of the measure.
Hut it could hardly be judged by the speech of the Right Hon.
Gentleman whether he would not vote at last against the Bill.
He the more feared this Bill because he thought it was an at-
tempt to restore the opposite principle of uniformity. The
periods referred to in the history of Protestantism were all
periods when the resistance to Popery were most prominent—
when the Grahams took the lead.—(Cheers.) He would not
go into a detail of the circumstances, but he would reply to
the Minister in the words of Colbert to Bossuet—
that he spoke not for the Church but for the Sorbonne.
There were some Members in that House who supposed that •
they were benefiting the people by making the priests gentle-
men. Yes, they would make them more of the abbe than the
cure—something more of the chaplain and something less of
the priest; men who would look more to the patron and would
look less to the poor; men of this world, and not men of the
next world.—( Hear, hear.) He was of opinion that this Bill
would fad in doing that; but if it succeeded, he pitied their
Short-sightedness, because the priests would lose their influence
over the people—it was because they were of the commons
that they led the commons. He knew that a greater legislator
than any of them, Napoleon, gave it as his opinion that the
priesthood, to lead the people, should be of the people. He
was at Maynooth some time ago. It was a day
of solemnity, and he saw about the men there none of that
array or that pomp which the Church of Rome was celebrated
for. There was no splendour, no pomp, no representation.
He (Mr. Smythe) was wrong, there was a representation---;t
was a representation not of many thousands of pounds, but of
many millions of souls. With even that the Right Hon. Ba-
ronet was about to make them his friends, for they would re-
member that, notwithstanding powerful opposition, the
Right Hon. Gentleman brought forward a motion of reconci-
liation without restriction.—( Cheers.) They had now an
entente cordiale with France ; when that failed, they would
have an entente cordiale with Ireland to supply its place.—
(Cheers.) When the Right Hon Gentleman should be called
upon to rally round him the energies of this mighty empire.
he would be heard to say to his enemies, be they at Washing-
ton or at Paris, in the beautiful language of the Noble Lord
the Member of London, " Our Queen reigns over an united
people."—( Cheers. )
Mr. REDINGTON, as an Irish Member, and a Roman
Catholic, wished to express his opinion, which interested the
religion which he professed. Whatever turn the debee may
take, the question would be of the greatest importance to
Ireland. As an Irish Roman Catholic, he wished to express
his gratification on account of the tamper, tone, and manner in
which this question had been discussed. The eloqii-nt !em-
ber for Canterbury, and the Noble Lord the Nlemlier for
Newark, had made speeches which ought to he models to the
peel le of this country ; they would have the effect of recon-
ciling two nations which, if they were to be united, ought to
be united in every sense of the word. He heasd, at the
same time, opinions which ought not to weigh in that
assembly on the measures which were now before them.
He would now turn to the question that had been repeatedly
put, namely—Why did not the Catholic people of Ireland en-
d rw their College themselves? And in answer to that he would
ask another question, namely— In what position were the Ca-
tholics of Ireland left in the year 1795 ? The Catholics had
been up to that time banished from their country, and left
without religious places of worship—without property—without
anything. Pitt established the College of Maynnoth in 1795,
but up to that time, all the institutions of the Irish Catholics
having been abolished, it was scarcely to he hoped that May.
tooth should be the first to engage their attention. Let it be
recollected, that the Catholics of Ireland hail supported
the Colleges of Armagh, of Tuam, of Wexford, and
many others, of the wealth and usefulness of which they
hail been twice plundered, yet had twice endowed.—( Cheers. )
He had heard it said that the people of Ireland were idolators,
but he would pass over that, as unworthy of notice ; neither
would he stop to answer the accusation that Roman Catholics
worshipped the Virgin Mary, for in doing so he would
be attempting to defend a faith that had endured,
unchanged, for eighteen centuries. But this he would
say, that if the English Government were anxinua to
have the union of the two countries as a real union of Great
Britain arid Ireland, they would treat Ireland with common
justice. He had heard much said about the voluntary prin-
ciple—he had great respect for those who held that opinion,
for he would say there was more danger in paying no religion
than in paying one. But he would say the English Govern-
ment should adopt the plan of continental countries,
and pry all instead of paying but one.—( Hear, hear. )
He felt that the Right lIOn. Baronet had generously come
forward with respect to this measure. But this was not the
first time that the Right Hon. Baronet had bowed to a moral
necessity which he could not cont rnul. He (Mr. Redington)
remembered the time when Members of his persuasion
were first allowed to enter that House. At that

time the Right Honourable Baronet bowed to a moral
necessity which he could not controul. He (Mr.
Redington) believed that the Right Hon. Gentleman
had 3ct many more necessities to bow to. Although the Rieht
Hon. Baronet had come forward in a generous manner, this
measure could only be ►ooked upon as a triumph of those prin-
ciples which had always been so co"sistently supported
by the Noble Lord the Member for London.
He ( Mr. Redington) could not forget old friends

for thc;se who offered new favours. The Noble Lord and his
Colleagues had for many years supported conciliation to Ire-
land; and he (Mr. Redington) felt that his humble tribute
was justly due to the Noble Lord.
Mr. C. BRUCE moved the adjournment of the debase.

Colonel Sibthorp rose at the same time, and there were loud
cries for the Hon. and Gallant Gentleman.
Mr. C. BRUCE said he did not wish his motion to stand in
the may of the Hon. and Gallant Gentleman if he wished to
prolong the debate.
Colonel SIBTHORP—I rise, Sir, to move the adjournment
of the debate, as I do not intend to speak until the Hon. Mem-
ber for Cork (Mr. Murphy) is present.—(Laughter. )
The debate was then adjourned.
Sir IS. PEEL said he hoped the notices of motion for to.
mar-ow (this day) would be disposed of in the same vi ay as
those of Tuesday, in order to allow the adjourned debate to
proceed.
Mr. T. DUNCOMBE consented to postpone his motion re-
specting the Board of Trade until Monday.
Mr. NYSE also consented to postpone a motion which he
had on the paper.
The Auction Duties Bill and the Sugar (Ex;•ise Duties)
Pill, were severally read a third time and passed.
The Museums of Art Bill passed through Committee pro
ferns ;.
The following Members were appointed as the Select C.nn-
rnittee on Smoke Prevention Mackinnon, Mr. Beckett.
Viscount Newry, Mr. Brotherton. Mr. Hawes. the Earl of
Lincoln, Mr. Octavius Duncombe, Lord Francis Egerton, Mr.
William Henry Bodkin, Mr. Ewart, Mr. Borrhwick, Mr.
Hindley, Mr. Protheroe, Mr. Ricardo, and Mr. William
Williams.
Colonel SIBTHORP renewed his motion for the printing
of the number of pe•itions against the Maynooth grant, with
the number of signatures attached to them, but there being
no seconder, the mot ion fell to the grounA. The Hon. Member
gave notice that he would move it to-morrow.
The House then adjourned at Half-past Twelve o'Clock.