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London, England, 1844-06-21 00:00:00

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sjoity were than a collector of customs in a British
441,4 could not possibly conceive. It appeared to
It 47 British consuls were not placed by this clause
Noianniation which would give them a reasonable
teen Fr° complaint. The clause was in substance
Nilti°ll3l a similar regulation with respect to coffee,
gi:ease ease no difficulty whatever had arisen.
Gs',w, RING said all the arguments of the Right
Ist enuensen opposite proceeded on the assumption
ths,aaeY Would everywhere meet with co-operation,
4%1: the Very opposite appeared to him the most rea-
set LexPeetation.—(Hear, hear.) These documents
flE,r,"e Made a security for instead of against fraud.—
!itd;) Everythine which 'oered an imediment to
4,41) Purchase of the articleff desired would be evaded
4/ possible manner. The dishonest merchant
ttt'ail himself of these documents to assist him in
qto the agent of the Government. It was impossi-
the consuls should be cognizant of all the facts
XiQo!ild he necessary to enable them properly to
I,4othe duty imposed upon them.
'"tie „13ANDON was not willing to throw over these
Ik 15,8 a 8 absolutely without value.
I,P, objected to the certificates on the ground
,31t, A• ll.," Place the consuls in an awkward position.
)74 ,„'''',OUCHERE thought the whole system of
Llett,„-s„nd most improperly been adopted. With
e 4 the most
measure before the House, he be-
kstc would have the effect of encouraging slavery kr;l1 be the ra-
means of suppressing it.
ARLADSTONE defended the system.
h,;," RING inquired what was to be done at those
%tits qillg no consuls?
Zikit„„"I4I)STONE apprehended that no port from
11111. igar Was likely to come would be without a
tftilitAtl Java there would be no consul, in consequence
parr
-of the Dutch Government, but a
he 'Cucer would be placed there to certify cargoes,
,Proqd-e'ioGladstone) proposed to alter the sth clause
4, r this power.
Nag', CHAPMAN suggested the propriety of
th 'aY with certificates in the case of sugar coming
ioee east of the Cape of Good Hope, as slave-labour
ilasnot likely to come from that quarter.
.1• 0% 'embers'ssilggs that suarin
admittedb9tdhoount
sN next should be
14,6 r.
ShI'AtSTONE conceded that there was a con-
.llantity of sugar in this country which was the
kLII° t t(IP v a and Manilla, and explained that the Bill
`tis except stocks in bond, or that mightbe placed
rtii °tithe 10th of November next. For these sugars
jerseett, er ori in would be required.
i44'sf`4ll4l-.I.ERRSTON then said he should take the
the e I-louse on this question of the certificates,
°lnniittee divided. The numbers were—
the clause
the clause
gainst it 6O
~II•ge Majority for the clause —s4
0 -4,11 e was then ordered to stand part of the Bill.
and 6 were agreed to without discussion.
ktti)-ause 7 being proposed,
NII"A„,11ING wished the Government to give some
.tl,4lh.leaes to the construction they put upon the
ItS2ke 4,-s"‘! n this country aid Denmark as to the ad-
asci ,t_ne sugars of that country. The treaties of
th 'ti7o were still in force, and the words by
Ves,e,B-dmission was claimed secured,, to Denmark
*rims as those granted to the Hollander."
tl,`to"th'."e Old form, which he contended was equiva-
P Ito e modern phrase of the " footing of the most
IPV_llations." He could not understand. how the
"+t ti:Qeet could put a construction on the treaties
/ald exclude the sumer of this countryi
Kyle regard to America Sweden, did they no
y'a or ° admit sugar, whether the produce of free.
[4.lliihitnot, at a lower, rate of duty, and how was it
L? 4° reconcile these privileges with existing trea-
e did not stand up there as the advocate of the
s4i trestles
,but he did think that there were cir-
liit.N.,t4ll,e_s connected with. Denmark, at least as far as
b,ra Concerned, which, under
.such. a measure as
Nlt the House, should entitle it to peculiar
tear
--"e ark was coun.try that first abolished
e And further, it ve every facility_to-
s,kqeC of search, which could. possibly be de
,acilities which America and France would
of The Right Hon. Baronet at the
kis e Governmentth stated, a few nights ago,
Iskoti ellntry declined to enter into commercial ne-
' °''s with Brazil, because that country was not.
talc
,r,e measures for the ultimate abolition of
4;,'.hope. :,":entn. ark had done without compulsion, with-
ktittf,
nout gain, and voluntarily, what was made the
e„tkled
trey
with Brazil, and yet Denmark was to be
thpe tre_rora the advantages of the Bill. The words
1?;' there4V were strong, and the arrangements binding,
A was no reason whatever why the. sugar coming
'lrtirist)lark, the produce of her colonies, should not
1▪ 4
41-en to at least the same advantages as other fo
tr, Gears.
sir-4,hAbSTONE admitted the force of the ar.gu-
Pessi. e Right Hon. Gentleman. Denmark certainly
th'lletisi.lar claims on the favourable consideration abolish
of'
hiss ‘l'3' for her exertions in endeavouring to aio
bAt, th' e trade, but with regard to the dry question
f
ass'il he would not speak with the highest de-
'4s4a°ntideriee, yet he believed that the treaty of
teh 41, understood by both Governments as that upon
IN thrangeraents such as . those involved in the Bill
Abe lions should be guided.
4k4,V641,11,1NGe---13tit was that a commercial treaty ? _
Vatioh4bSTONE admitted it was only a treaty of
• h..but yet he had understood from the Danish
fisNe, , by that treaty, the mutual concession of
Vitt' p was regulated.
l,•„cibs ALMERSTON apprehended. that the inciden-
fl.l44-vatimis of the Danish Minister would not
.b.e
it QlCttl, either Government nor could they be
.consi
lgthis "ne House as satisfactory grounds for legislating
Matter was of opinion that
.the treaty of
l'„,Vio°llf:r from invalidating former treaties, left their
ire ag binding as ever.
_Many of the regulations
~ttate of 1824 had no reference whatever to provi-
-11.. 1104f aner treaties.
w 001) t'Askcontended that the treaties with Den-
-I,krie"st)°d upon the same footing as those with other
tktetheCHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said
eattt construction put upon the Danish treaties was,
sS
'4oias4,ls
-'3 were not to be subjected to the same duties
44kfte- 'lll Posed upon Hollanders.
" a few words from Mr. SHEIL, the clause was
1,4 to.
t'll'ltAt)tiler clauses were then agreed to without dis-
O°th
t. e reading of the preamble of the Bill,
.1)1INCOMBE said he should move that the
treely and voluntarily" be omitted.-(Cheers
1144, "'Ater.) It was not hisintention to supply
bepply
(iitords, although perhaps it would n
Ott cult for him to do so._(Laughter.)
nT.mhe-
etoaPriclav night came to a resolution,. that' an
ithe
111,111' -rpu stings'should be made in. the provisions
r,. 11t3, resolution was carried by a majority of
-‘,qt3t ' "tat on Monday night it was revser)sed by a ma-
On that
twenty-two.—(Loud cheer .
sP) stio_ Right Honourable Baronetn (Sir Robert
qtl4alZe clown to that House, and
resolution,
tohnretehte_
eth",,,erds being reinstated in the r
tr, Woule 'louse, if his wishes were not acceded to, that
0544„,(1_ esign_yes, resign, andßiha
t),-`k near7ellt
.01 the country to the ghnt Hon. Gentle-
ticikh) hull
e (pointing to the front of thheaodpmpionsiisttiroun.
ktl of."-tuat to them he would give up
(I,llss,lltrairs.—(Loud cries of " No, no. Wll then,
q.bligelitlemen below him.—(Great
Hon. Gentleman
He
Gentleman
,h!l'ssdileensbe) supposed the Right
toble Lord (John
th`:4ll) 'n his threat to the
t and other Hon. Members near him, rather
‘14.h41s those honourable young gentlemen on the
11,4 %Moshe (pointing, amid loud laughter, to the
ItZtve:nl,3l occupied by the " Young England" party).
kr)stit tiotaat might be, there was the threat of the
tissreeves n• Baronet.—(Cheers.) And told them,
C4l(l,,''' that though they might choose.. to. differ in
ale)th his politics, that differ with him in practice
1,71 not—(Cheers)--or rather,
. that differas they
ti' cis: himself should continue in the course he had
tij(1,..4 for himself, and they follow as they
Y'elld cheers.) So it appeared that Hon. Gen-
tiftsfer,"lll),,osite, with a sort of Whigpharls_ (Laughter)
111„ acys7,,!acrificing honesty— Be
(p vote lrlear)--aye, and some of ) political con-
( them even changed
di am", 2": (Loud cheers)—some four or five of them—
roni,it:hicauetkily--Ivell, four—quite enough—went. and voted
opposite,o on the Monday night, to the way
Ire had voted on the Friday.—(Great cheer-
-I)rit!'e e was sure the Right Hon. Baronet at the head
st°tlL'ernment must have been astonished and sur-
ci,neri"e success of a manoeuvre which. could convert
Ltler Y 20 on one night into a majority of 22 on
11441t1s thZlTlleers.) Now he begged to say he did not
te h."ight Hon. Baronet for the language he had
snPporters behind him. In his Mr. Dun-
-14134r he had treated them exactly( the_
kioti'for hey,. deserved—(Great cheering and laugh
vc,..tltl th,,,ald think, after. expression of their opi-
kiptil taetory question Hear, hear)—and their
ect tuyhat onion, the Right Hon. Baronet had a
Ikht
ksa l y 0
neemore to make them moves round;
houtnde;masnev
and he
the et; never did a set of Members show
tit, se hotPlathels, better broken in, or more submissive than
44(414 th•and self-styled independent gentlemen who
It, 1411114,_seats behind their master.—(Great cheering
%Ilse „4:sr.) But then he (Mr. Dunce be) asked that
as atilt ltt did they suppose the peoplein out of doors
huPkt, for their proceedings ?—(Cheers.) Did they
81; °r a moment that in all the Parliaments which
Al`kiollssotertl,there ever was a Parliament, there ever wes
lie 'N, Commons, that had so much of the contempt
hfst told fee' the
English
People' as was bestowed upon that one ?
xss 'e that never in the course of
4ted 'sa there a House of Commons so intensely
' distr
The Go-
-I;..tsta tyerilicnleanutl cuesrtteadiniya,nd despised?---(Cheers.)
kt!it'ntshouul was the ridicule, the
tlhaugilioinugse
the contempt of Ireland ; but who
-
hro_dr, consent to be dragged by such
naeureiovve,ern-
the mire, he was at a loss to conceive, for
th:N4"Clieved Hon. Gentlemen opposite could not be
h'oslr inters even if they had trusted themselves and
itiss.(es-rests in the bands of his Hon. Friends near
(Groats laughter.) Well, but what he wanted to
sine
sl4a, the Right Hon. Baronet was, whether he cons_
tas vete_s. vote of the other, or, rather, the reversal of
4,,enee (A. laugh)—the other night, as a vote of con-
sa,4,.the of to
Rouse?—(Hear, hear.) After all,. who
Leg ear, hi-nil. Gentleman saved by ?--(Loud cries of
ct teear") Why, by eleven gentlemen, all
called
1 "e Government—five or six of whom called
h, e ves ,
41. Wes. sea(!.ers of the free tradeparty.—(Hear, hear.)
dia. interest
•had sought only for twenty
.41iiiaolitatihrsiotteuentrte,tinc,t50) duty.—(Shouts of laughter, and
Twenty shillings duty, the diffe-
ten shillings protection.—(Cheers
no)slas to ) But these free-trade gentlemen were
lave the
ot sand h aprotecting duty of 14s.—(" No,
ft, for f g ter.) Well, but the free-trade gentlemen
e 444 olir shillings more than they themselves asked
sietskr wanted to know what sort of a principle of
Ir, 1) that:
tnae„,ss was?—(Hear, hear.) It appeared to him
'"")e) that the sole object of those lion.