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London, England, 1844-02-17 00:00:00

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‘l ) ;,ngitlar in that opinion. Thpif own
at: cit,ar:;e ui th • Una Justice had
5: i• (5 ::a. tisan. —( Cheers.) Hai it been
- co -asiort, it wooM have been
it •r.ore so, av't the man who
k ,t,> to by the gr- at majority
of th. a. it 111 lee : was t,,,n trial for al
hn a,: s, •}l.• r•Lb,ll n -f I 79t4 to ttt period. uh rt, but
for his itirerytt•i i,,0, a terril, e outbreak wc:uld have taken
place. —( s ) Why ,ila the Chief Jostler, then, never
I.ring before the jut y .he fact that Mr. O'Connell hail stood
between life and death on that occasion ?—( Chee s.) Was it
likely that any moral effeet could be produced by such a trial--
beginning wilt the captiousness of the Attorney-General—
th:n the formation of the jury, with its attendant accident--
and ending with the charge of the Chief Justice ?—( Cheers.)
Would it put down the repeal agitation ?—especially when the
man in whom his countrymen confided most was placed under
the ban of the law, under circumstances in which the meanest
person in this land would not be arraigned ? The Right lion.
Baronet (Sir James Graham) had said, that lie wrote a letter
to the Lord Lieutenant, directing him, in ecclesiastical pair"-
age, to look only to the fitness of the appointment. But they
had the admitted fact, that all the episcopal appointments had
been be-towed upon persons who were opposed to the system of
national education.—( Hear. ) Now he would ask any one ill°
regarded cause and effect, whether the tardy and small concession'
which were at length promised would have been thought of if
it
were not for thisagitat ion, so long as Ireland was under the dome;
nation of a Tory Ministry. And after all, what were the boors?
A Commission had been appoirted to inquire into a great caine
of discontent. Why should it not before this have made its
report ?—( Tory laughter.) Gentlemen might laugh, but lo
the disease was great, the remedy ought to be speedy.—( Uhl!'
hear.) But while the Commission was still deliberating, t."‘'
agrarian discontent was increasing, and the causes of the dis-
content were in active operation.— ( Hear, hear.) The pro-
mised grant for national education would be of little use if the
Government could not enforce the manner of its application.
The Protestant clergy to a man refused to allow their flocks t°
attend the schools, and in this way they frustrated the great ob-
ject of bringing up the children of different persuasions together,
so that their sectarian prejudices should a 'quire no force
early life.---(Hear, hear.) He wished now to draw a parall°
b .tween the state of things in this country and in Ireland.
What had b: en the conduct of the Attorney-General in Elf
land? He was not a man to slumber in his charge of Me
public peace. He had put dow n by his conduct the Chartist,
agitation, and the agrarian diaturbances in Wales. But wha''
had he done with the grand conspiracy of the League ?—( Cheer'
from both sides of the House.) But the League had super-
ceded the theatres.—( Laughter.) It had agitated the country'
from end to end. It had collected 100,000/., and held multi-
tudinous rneetiogs. Nay it had even denounced the Govern-
ment, and ti ltened to agitate until the Government should
le compelh: its demands. The League prestnten
every ingree.ter.t of conspiracy that had been show, to Ireland.
In that country a newspaper proprietor enters into the view'
of the Repeal Assoc;:ition as a commercial speculation ; but 011
League did not allow the connection of the newspaper wt,
their conspiracy to be a matter of construction, for they ettaea
hi
halted a newspaper themselves, and they avowed that they
concocted their conspiracy in a small room in Manchester,'
(Cheers.) But, in Ireland, the proof of the conspiracy n'ai
taken from the peaceful and orderly character of the meeting;
and the coincidence of expression on the part of the different
speakers. Now if the Attorney-General wanted to know what
i
were the means of operation adopted by the League, he coin"
have sent to Leamington for a parson, who said that assassina•
thin was one of their means. —( Hear, hear. )
Mr. FER RA ND—Why, they said so themselves. —( A latif(Or
Mr. Sergeant MURPH Y said the Hon. Member f°4
Knaresborough was a person to whose a-sert inns he must b° t
in that House —( Cheers.) But there was another ingredien,
in the Irish conspiracy —there was a song.—( Laughter.)d
Right Hon. Gentleman had, no doubt, read the celebrate
distich—

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" Oh God, that bread should be so dear,

And flesh and blood so cheap." t to
Not only did Punch publish these lines—(Laughter)—ha i a
make the conspiracy more clear, Mr. Cobden quoted them ate
public meeting, therefore NIA was a conspirator with teil
League.—( Great laughter.) They (the a':;overnment) arg°re
in Ireland from the coincidence of opinion. In this e ,
they had a perfect coincidence, and why did they not prebs
great eer
cute the editor of Punch ?—( Laughter.) There was anat,,,ey
conspirator for them !—( Laughter.) But when ltd:
had done so they must do more than was done in Irelanher
they must have a jury of agriculturists, with the lion. Meta of
for Knaresbough at their head—(Laughter)—and having
their jury, they must get an Attorney-General to ehalleUs,,
the jury first, and then challenge the counsel.—( Laughter it
But they would not even then be sure of their verdict• je,
had been said that one of the best things for the two countir
would be an interchange of judges--( Laughter)—and certaai toi.
for the conviction of the League nothing could be surer thaaltit,
bring over the Chief Justice of Ireland.---(Cheers.) Per
perhaps, the Attorney-General would say that the clenollan4e
ment of repeal was for ever, and that of the Corn-law Le, 40
only for once.—( Hear, hear.) Ile looked at those Froceeal
only as a lawyer—as an Irishman residing in this country. arid
enjoying its blessings—blessings which he wished to be cateLeh
to his native country; and seeing the man who had done aarto
in the cause of liberty as any man about to be consigned
all
dungeon, he must say that that great man would have, too
events, his reward. Posterity would award to him that hc"ftet
which his merits had secured to him in his own time. try•
that man had another consolation. Five-sixths of his anteeer,
men, and all Europe, looked with a imiration upon his ca d,
and wAild inscribe upon his pedestal the expression of thaltudeJ
miration. The Hon. and Learned Gentleman cone, vof
amidst much cheering, with a quotation of which one woe
u
not heard in the gallery, as he was now completely haartf4e
Mr. B. ESCOTT said it had been stated by the r"110b.
Lord (J. Russell) who opened the debate on the preseus/00•
ject, and it had been repeated by more than one Hon. .a is
ber who had followed, that the present period was the crest he
the fate of Ireland. When he first heard the expressiceogy
doubted much whether it was not one of those which ann „old
fell in the course of the debate, because he chip
not help thinking how many times, during
own brief experience in that House, the cv,al
r, rylo
Ireland had arrived.—( Hear, hear.) But he t„
Escott) really believed, from what had passed during tb,e,reeg
sent debate, that the present was really a crisis in the o,'terl
Ireland.---(llear. ) The Noble Lord (Russell) had siace•
that the effect of his motion, if carried, would be the disP„, of
ment of the present Government and the substitutieroPere
another. He (Mr. Escott) would not disguise any
than others who had spoken that evening, that he was acFe(lit
man, but he trusted the House would give him car
for his assurance when he stated, that if he thought the tile,
rying of the Noble Lord's motion would tend to softee,e6 0,
animosities, allay the passions, and heal the differen:,ael
Ireland—if he thought it could possibly have this effee th of
by this effect consolidate the peace and add td the stre"it_tvielt
the British empire, he would at once throw off the trawdee.
of party and give his cordial vote in support of the and hail
And, notwithstanding the taunts which the Noble I.OA side
thrown out upon Hon. Members on his (Mr. Eseott',slf,otii
of the House, It was his own conviction that if the 'Noble that
could demon-trate to the conviction of independent nlintitscallici,
the course he proposed to them to take was the best ,ba'baJ '
be adopted—notwithstanding his taunts he would havehnia te,
majority
in that House to support him, and enable ,
carry his principles into effect. Bat he for one must aial wit!
he had heard the remedies of the Noble Loietba
feelings almost of dismay. If it were noiaib eetwrie,firt,
his motion could be carried, and that, being
he Noble Lord should return to power, the Pr wow,'
which he had enunciated in his speech were such aso,itc,7
scatter dismay and confusion into every part of the boor to
Kingdom. The Noble Lord hail consumed nearly an odes
his speech in an endeavour to bring into conternf":o„eaco,
vilify, the legal tribunals of this country. lie een ft' 0
with an attack not on the lel tribunals of Irelandt_ he 11,.,
those of England.—( Hear, hear.) Let no one thin" 0;3
the bad taste to suppose that to him bell: )
high privilege of defending the character of r oghtePel
Chancellor of Englard.—( Hear, hear, and laattacl,,,
But if that eminent and learned individual was to be ever sue
for a light word spoken years ago, and which he hadientoerso,
petted to hear of again, save in low Radical and naoriei
newspapers, surely they could all call up in their nrer<o de7o
recollection of a Secretary of State, who had dareubilet etha
nate the majority of the Peers of the land as the „uteo
faction.—( Hear, hear, and laughter.) He did not ce“ into
right of the Noble Lord to challenge and inclt„ coe,eoa•
conduct pursued by the legal tribunals of ping- 0)03
or of Ireland, provided there had been anYttaal
stitutional in it.—( Hear.) But the Noble
merely vilified the trilionala, without even a r theY,biof
charge against them. True, from another quarte
jeio tier;
last night heard a charge brought against tht',.9 inalieerlt
Justice—not so much as to his words as against ehe pro Peri
and he denied that the House of Commons coal", Laugbric the
occupied in discussing the manners of a judge--`•arY
The great leader of the Whigs had attacked the Lary .elf
recent trials, and in doing so had attacked trial by' of the too
—(" Oh, oh," and great laughter.) The condo du:lcier. 44
vernment in regard to the late trials might be divide,beadrattm
heads--the policy and the legal effect of them. Tb_.7l.4oefe",
were proper subjects for the consideration of .jait t"
to the policy, then, was it a sufficient answer against lion; joss
as had been said by the Noble Lord and by then haeatie'
Learned Gentleman (Mr. Sergeant Murphy) .ity °f 11' elfr
sat down, that other parties had also been PI Theree,,e3
meanors, for which they had not been indicted. _ ;0 fr.',oo
no anology between the cases, for the prosecutionaea'oce,,i'ihil
were an imperfdive duty. So far from thesebeev, fOi;Or
leading the people of Ireland to despair, as had be a 'ft tbe,,
said would be the ease. The very first step w" down 100
vernment was called upon to take, was to put had bee Rae'
law those who were agitating the country. tkie Loot e`ofral
much struck by the manner in which the No% had le Lot;
sell) had dwelt on the fact of the delay whi,,,he Sob, Or
in the commencement off these prosee.utiona. vie.;
did not argue so much that the prosecutions ",,,,ropeitt;
improper as that they were undertaken at an 'T'of test for t
It was not then the prosecution hut the thn`ro,eet,',o
that caused him to complain. But could they P little
conspiracy before they had formed the link of e' firs ra,i
the ;,.e, $
was to prove the charge ? Were they to
taketranaretter)
isolated act, or wait and see what would comb' beart,
whether the transgression was merely ( near, Lil,
ment or followed up into a continuance -treNoblefrela
He would now proceed to the strength of t' nIY ,t
case, which consisted in a general charge of inln'ee, notheratt,
Now, if he could hear a single charge of iwit,lat_i_doin,_Lard
Ireland, but to any subject of the United King islabla b
home to her Majesty's Government, tl ec i„just.„,eiv,o
should have his vote. Two instances 0' The.
been mentioned; and what were the,y,.,
al opitu__"apolioej
ment of two judges of strong PIS, eliargeopp t,
their capaci of politicians, not as judges. kad been ~ect ,
tthoetmhowseaso,f intit
efaNctt,,bt politicalllieatLtohredi.r_(H
ear,
h opinionstar. orno.l.ooleloo,
one of them, at least, it had been admitted_h_Yaerii;intirehqu,_oof
ber opposite, that he was one of the most nu."!the chZhorcy of
Irish bench. The Noble Lord, in referring t° ,
one million, whereas the other six or sbe Diable old ,ef
ion, said, " You have a Church in IreelvantraiiiieLintotrsjso,l:,,tio;
totally different religious opinions;" and t one wcuali9,o
tamed that that seas air injustice to Irehtna•tn_ed by b
expected the Noble Lord to state what he meant°
Church establishments; whether he re.a,,Y__ear, t
the Church or not, and if he did wires
wits ri,aecweedpit
be,
it, what he meant to set tin
.• ..entl4o
( Mr. Escott) declared that, haLvontrdi4 stateo'i ireisb,
the utmost attention to the nob e
shea
believed that the only remedy for the gr.t.„,ivoth
ow
to
_ 0 Alp
which
edh. e pir,of.leiosegdmenvat
increasing this alp"u_ Frittee„e
8,0001. or 10,000/. 13;tohaNti
its clamour) coot 'siege V,
vaglia,
be done to Ireland, and all ihta he 00.
were to be removed. B fore they
would be well to recollect what the No for pil
welt'', Lora griclstier,
tah3eflogorathnt
ctouiretg_enyt
iu
_ries
af
for Sunderland had proposed as his remet!Ye__ „ar,,Ye,
of Ireland. There were in that House I
an`
in reference to the Church question. 711'-_rt, a.
the Noble Lord the Member for the City the. ht by t
small one, he believed; there was the paretY, last
ortvif;,ool.P.,
Learned Gentleman opposite, strengthenof,oe G
n:roposnoeti,
I great accession; and there was the Party
_f Lorid° i‘ljays,.lhe
the Noble Lord the Member for the City;grou ts. ailr.as
as he had already stated, to increase
en,roppovititeat gi,eto
luxi,(Yalote,
College. The lion. and Learned Gentil ;Li 004
Noble Lord the Member for Sunderlan.l)__ln sou! 4,0
„„,
number both of Ir:slit-nen and Engh 1)17,0
ertat.e
a great boon to Ireland. He was happ;:rtio eflo,cd bott'd
had no chance of carrying their interottfio
London, ibe
Noble Lord, the Member for the lle ittoid the P
thheuhatdhebyeelsmpeeaakuitngtotmenaimutiantunteths