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PM)VISION I'OR THE QUEEN•.

CASfLEREAGiI moved tl►e Order of the
"Day for the Ilou§at.resolNlE,, itself into a Com-
mittee upon that part of his Majesty's most gra-
cious-MessaN,which referred to making a suit-
able provision for the Queen.

Mr, 13rtouonAin immediately rose and proceed-
ed to read a Message from her Majesty to the
House. ' It was verbatim as follows :-

CAR011::E, R.

"Thy Queen haring learnt that the House of Commons
has appointed this day fur taking into consideration the part
of the King's most gracious Speech which relates to her,
deems,itnteessary to t1:-elare, that site is duly sensible of his
Majestrs; curnlescension in recommending an arrangement
respecting her to the attention of Parliament. She is aware
that this recommendation m;lst be understood as rcfer:ing to
the support of her estate and .dignity; and, from what has
lately passed, she is apprehensive that such a provision May
he unaccompanied by the Possession of her rights and, prici-
legea, its the ample measure wherein former Queens Corisott,
her Royal Predecessors, bare beers Rohl its time past to enjoy
them.

" It is lar front the Queen's inclination needlessly to thyme
obstacles in the wa): of a Settlement, which she desires its
common with the„whole country, and which she feels per-
snaded the best interests of all: the parties,ecinally require;
and being most anxious to avoid every thing that might create
irritation, she cautiously abstains from any observiition
the unexampled prediCament in which she is placed. But
she feels it due-to the I ouse and to I.erself, rc9iectfully to
declare, that she perseveres in the resolution of detlining•
any arrangement while her name co:airlift:3 to. be exclulied
from'. tbe Liturgy.

" Brandenburg)) House, Jan. 3), 1521." ' I
On the motion that the Speaker do leave the
Chair, , 1
Mr. W,EsTEnN declared, that he. for one-would
not consent to grant the public money, prior to
some explanation being/given on this. subjeet,,and •
to a previous inquiry into the expenditure of the
country, so that 'a reduction might be made hi it
consistently: NI ith th 6 'g:eneral. distress; . This he
insisted was indispensible to our tranquillityand
security ; and they. ought rather to think of goin•4
into,measures for the relief of the universal pro-
sure, than of voting any rill; thori,ght,proper by 1
Ministers, especially' under such circumstances
as4hose of the
_present case. He intreated' the
attention of Gentlemen to what ~ would be their ,i
situation if they adopted this. course. A gri:t i
was moved to her .I\lajesey, . when it. must be re-
collected that Min4ters, ,and particularly the
Noble Viscouni. (Lord-
,Castlereagh)., in gi:vibi,:r
notice, had most unjustifiably asserted that:.her
Majesty was guilty, They had: stated that a
technical acquittal was all that the had.obtained,
•but that a verdict of 1211 Peers :had pronounced
her to be an adultress, and that other Peerf',/,
who also held ,her to be guilty, had not voted otel
.political grounds. 'Yet, telling. them this, the I,
Noble Lord dared to come:down, and ,call upon c 2,
thetp for a provision to an, individual so" circtini- •!
staneed.. Good God l that a MiLoister should
dare
dare to say that a Queen of England Ilas air
adultressi, and in the same breath _pr.o.i)ose to
lay 50,0001.-a 'year upon: 'the 'PV6ple for' bcr
support. Was it to be endured thot the Queen
should_be thus :denotinte'd after the Wi th draw al •
of the Bill of -Tains and .Penalties, winch w•-35;
a withdrawal of ali the -clnrges against her.
He considered it to be a libel. The Noble Lord .
might be protected bY.his'inivilep:e in thiSlionse, ".
but if any one ventured to say- the same -':hipic,'.
out of doors, it would be a libel. The proCeek-
ing could not justify anyione in saying the Queen
was-an. adultress ;---it-could not be authorised by
law. To assert it :Was,Oiore OnoxiOns to justice
than all the precedi4,measnres. • The bill via*
withdrawn, and yet ihe-aCtuged .was to be sub
jetted to: the same punishment aS if it ":
had bee •
carried, or,if not, she Wils fCi, Stibmi't to hays Ira
character wounded and -a dagger Oniciel-tifo her
heart. The withdrawal of-the. Nil wl,, 1,,, con.!(
.
tended, equivalent, to an acquittal; and ite.wouljf;
noshilling,a single shilling, unless the 11Puse cTroet ,
to some understanding, and the distresges of Ow
country were taken into view. "lie Would not.•ll',.
one moment say that the Queen was guilty, :144ci'
vote her a sum of i-Mniey as if slieziVere innocent.:
The
proposal, should -have his. 'most deter
opposition.
.

Lord cAT-LE REA G 4 wished the. HOU Alembfr
had alloWed him to offer a little preliminary e%''.
planation, in which'case lie m et itai-e avoided,
coming to the conclusion iv ith Which' he had ter"
minatedhiS speech, that of reSisting the preseut‘
proposal, on the 'ground: of refusing all -supplies
till the distress of the country was investigated.
and remedied.. The questiOn :before- the .flou
was not one of. snpply for Me 'SQ's"sion
usual sense. It was simply to take into considl4,:t.,'
ration parts of atuost gracious-Message froM tie
Crown, relating to a provision fr,the Quees ;
and, it would be indeed a novel Erode of allaying
the distresses or the country and *Meeting LW"
acuities, if the douse, were persuaded. to adopt
course in this insfmcc never resorted' tti
without a precedent, unless the jealOusy of the
Crown was so great as to induce Parliament, to
refuse a 4 grants of supplies.—(llear!)—But the
Hon. Gentleman would impede their pre—
ceeding„ till the agricultural distresses, aud. till
the commercial difficulties- of the country were,
fully investigated to his
.oun satisfaction, :ailu
months occupied iu suggesting-, such reniedies-as he
approved. It was not necessary- to ,argue on Such
ail opinion, He would now advert to the tile'
sage Which had been delivered from her Majesty'
—in effect, that 'she would accept of no provisio".
unless her name was restored to the Liturgy.;
Here her Majesty would have nothing to dreau
of the exercise of any authority in' opposition 01
her rights. She might, if she pleased, deClive,
the grant—(Hear, hear !)—and no power would
for.e its acceptance upon her. The Crown had
no desire to press it.—(Hear i)--.—From the begill:
rang of this. unfortunate business, there never !Lau
existed hi that quarter any wish to infliCt-pain or
iniury on this illustrious and unfortunate Lady.'
(near, hear!)---But her Majesty
.need uct Le

alarmed, as she was evidently Mistaken about the
nature of this grant. It was the duty of Parlia-
ment to place what it thought fit at the disposal
of the Crown ; but she could only receive it
from the King. But here, as' in- all the rest of
her proceedings, she travelled into unconstitu-
tional error—(llear hear !)—and -was trying to
erect herself into a great power in the State;
and where she was only a subject, it hid gone so
far as to be common to hear of her subjects.—
(Great clamour, cheers, and cries of hear, hear 1)
Mr. WETHERELL rose to order. The Learned
Gentleman began by explaining something he
had said on a former night.—(Loud cries of
Order ! and much confusion.)
The SPEAKER begged the House to call the
Learned Gentleman to order.

Mr. WETHERELL again began by referring to
a preceding debate—(Cries of No ! no !—Order !
order!)
The SPEAKER requested the Learned Gentle-
man to confine himself to the point of order..
Mr. WETHERELL, a third time, commenced
'ciith stating that what he had said on a former

.The SPEAKER was sure that .the. point of order
now Could not refer to the Learned Gentleman's
speech on a preceding night.
Mr. WETHERELL asserted, that he had been
raisunderstood by the Attorney-General ; he had
'never spoken of the King's subjects as subjects
of the Queen.—(Order, order !)
The SPEAKER observed, that it was, in the -first
place, disorderly to refer to any former debate ;
and, in the second place, he stated that. he had
heard no direct reference to the speech of the
Learned Gentleman.
Mr. WETHERELL said, an expression was attri-
buted to him which he-never used.
III" lionE alSo rose to order. It was, lie
thought, necessary to know if the Noble Lord
knew what-he did mean, or-if he meant what he
sail.;---(A--murmur and cries of order.) _.
T 1 • ,
"1"e SPEAKER. instantly interfered. INotnin,
could he more disorderly than this first sentence
of an appeal in favour of order.—(Hear.).
Mr. Hum; to order, said he considered the
Noble Lord's attributing to her Majesty a desire
to erect herself unconstitutionally into 'a power ;li-
the State, which he (Mr. Hume) knew she never
meant—(Laughter, and cries of heat!)---and of
travelling into unconstitutional error, in the whole.
of her proceedings, was quite disorderly. He
called on the Noble Lord to state his authority.
—(Cries of Order !)
The SPEAKER said, this question was not upon
the point of order, and itself a disorder.
Lord CAsTLEREAGH now resumed. If the
Learned Gentleman had allowed him to go on,
lie would have found that he would not have
been guilty
,of any disorder whatever; and all
the interruption he had experienced, might have
been saved. With respect to the Hon. Gentle-
man under the Gallery, however, it was really too
much to be told by him, that her Majesty's name
..„,,was not to he introduced into a discuSsion in that
-"use, 'without the Hon. Gentleman's taking
'.113011 him the authority he did, starting up to
Iter„Ffere- It was too much that the Hon. Gen-
1' --an) who had the right to answer any argil-
finents, I
e s•iould set the rules of Parliament at de-
f an
-e' "4 Upon such occasions venture to inter-
ere, „,/
Q --t-.make corrections of those Who were in
I)°,. ""sion of the House.—(Hear, hear!)—With
xeogtaild to what he (Lord C.) had stated, he was
'l'o y to i to her Majesty's
proceed rnpute any inaccuracy, .
he did not
tralvei. ,gs without good reasons , .
duct-o,4"at with all her Majesty's. literary pro-
Nl';3l',:s the Hon. Gentleman did.—(Hear !)
--1
)r
—"he Contemplate them with the same de-
r- a paternal tenderness, which looked as if
'if' (IN;Ir" Ilinne) had seen them before they- were
!tn. Pr alt----(Laughter)--L-He had,- therefore, proof.
the what he alledged, without referring to
e dncurnents of ,the Hon. Member, "or to .the
sPeech of the Learned Gentleman. One of
ti-he
Queen's Answers to an AddreSs was put into
iis hand by -a friend, in which she . says, " I
hope the moment may arise for the good of my
subjects ;"—(Cries of -Hear; hear, hear !):---and in
another, she thanks -her good citizens of Can-
terbury, and 'expresses her anxious wish to
make her people happy.—(Hear, hear, hear !)
-.,-If they examined holy this was to be accom-
plished, they would say that it was by Reform
in. its widest sense, or in other words,' in tile
total overthrow of the Constitution of the
Country.—(Hear, - hear 1.)--ilavin, given this
"explanation of ,- what he had asserted' and meant,
lie hoped it would be a lesson Of order to the
_honourable Member, who was more prone•
V> disorderly interrupti-on.than any One. whom he
(..ite:w—(ltear.),—He was quite sure the House of
i•-loorinnons would never tolerate in any per Son,
. thwever illustrious, to make conditions with it. in
,oei discharge of its functions. He was not 'in
to ntinumication with her Majesty, and hadmothing
'r s° INitli her line of conduct ; but tbe question
graei bother, . wheth ; R answer to his' Majesty's most'
ill.p 113' message, 'they would grant the Crown
, ans t
provisi ° make a provision in this case. That
that " Might be rejected, but still he contended,
it
°lrer it ‘
Ought to be in the power of the Crown to
look - ' If it was desirable that they-should
fionot,
w they went on, step by step, and what
Usethe
at firs 4. Queen was likely to make' of it. She hat.
(
tllO ,r ` setting out refuSed to accept a sum from,
farthi"ins or from Ministers. Now she went
„,
Ss r' and 'rejected a prOvision from Parliament
ILless ace '
to the' y ° m 13 a 11:i e d by the restoration of her name
Spirit . .4iturgy, Why rnight she not 'in this
let's'clt.to morrow insist upon not receiving it, un-
thts stie was taken into the It ld
s -
—zttesd -
,vil
a.-Is one of the Royal Family, and gifted
so..'`!.___ll
r the rights and privileges of queenCon-
-1„e,• (Hear, hear, hear !)—The plain -English
u 2 hall was, that the queen-would not acquiesce
Yo y arrangement calculated to give tranquillity
gentle country—(Shouts of Hear !)—would Con-
. e to nothing short of having the Crown and
°llstituron ..
---Whil t prostrate at her feet,---(Hear, bear !)
e he lived, white. he had the t
power o
forw
`and in •e defenc •
1-,aly ard the of the ,Throne and
4.1 s) be would , in silence
this done ne5... r,
He would never,
tion to . saqer the Constitu-;
ever • be trampled on by any- individual what-
In_a, nor would he unresiStinglY endure her
measures to be pyomoted - for..party purposes—

(Hear o—What did .the j-ion. Member ids Esseic
mean by .saying he would not vote one shilling•of
the supplies. He was sure he was too humane to
object to this measure, and that he must have
contemplated some pecuniary provision to be nes
cessary tot the- Queen in -whatever way the'
charges against„ her terminated. The amount
alone could in any scan's eyes. be the matter for
consideration.. And if the Honourable Gentle-
man had. permitted him to go on and unfold the
proposition he had to make, without departing
from the usual. order of discussion, he would
have discovered that it was not his intention
to haie touched at all 'on the subject of the'
Queen's guilt or innocence. He should have
thought it unmanly to bring her conduct ju-
dicially before the House : nor was :he prepared
to put that to. a decision upon one short vote,.
which had occupied the House of Peers so assi-
duously, for many months. But was he there-;
fore to sit:dOwn iihder all -the-taunts and_ reVil-
ings of the Gentlemen opposite, heaped upon him
and his colleagues for discharging the most, ardu-
ous duties ever imposed, on any Ministers ? Was
he to suffer them to call that oppression and per-
secution which hid been a most.painful task, most
conscientiously. fulfilled—(llear!) Was he to
have the Gentle Men opposite assailing the prero-
gatives Of the -Crown ; without- .stating
.to the.
House, all the prudential considerations on re-
cord, staring them in the face,. and which they
were bound to take into view, in forming a judg-
ment in this matter, consonant to. the duties. they
owed to their Sovereign and to. their country?
Was he to suffer the Gentlemcn. opposite, or their
friends, to agitate the country to its foundation,
by continual gabbling paltry motions, such asl
those brought 'from the North of Scotland, and
others of a similar kind,. Nvithout their ever
ing,to bring the question fairly to issue, or putt-
ing it on its broad principles to a, vote of the
House ?-_--(Hear, hear !)—Why did . they hot
meet the. justice of the case ? Why did they re-
sort to such opposition as the Noble Lord's' (A.
Hamilton); and the Hon. Member's (iveunder-
stood Mr.Western's i) The thins, was so obvious;
that every man with half an idea' must see that
all they were contending for was power in the
state.—(lledr, hear o—lt was for this they were
agitating its peace, and aggravating those dis-
tresses -which the Hon. Member opposite (Mr.
Western), affected so deeply to lament.- • •
Mr. TIERNEY rose to order. The assertion
that the Gentlemen on his side of the House
agitated and inflamed the country,'merely for the
sake of getting into place, could not, by possibi-
lity,-be orderly.
The SPEAKER said, lie was waiting for tbecon-
elusion of the -Noble Lord's sentence, to inforra
him that it was not in order to speak of any
lion. Member's affecting to deplore the distresses
of the country.
Lord
.CASTLE4EAGII assured the lion. Gent.
that he had not-used the word, to give him pain ;
than which nothing could 'be further from Irk
intention, nor less consistent with -the respect he
entertained for him. • He was :most reluctantly
impelled to pursue the course of argument in
which he had indulged ; but be never could allow
the House and the Country to be misled as to the I
nature of the proceedings against the Queen, in
the manner that had been attempted by the Gen-
tlemen 'opposite: -The withdrawal -of the
he was-ready to , admite..Wa§ an end to the ques-
tion of 'guilt and innocence,; in as far as it was,
determined to originate no new proceedings. But
his Noble Friend (Lord Liverpool) in taking
that step, was not to be considered as having
thereby sacrificed his entire judgment upon factS.
He had, lso a right to refer- to the- protests sign.;
ed by Peers after the .third - reading.— These
formed public records which;zould not be put
out,of sight on this question.•• All that he could'
do was, in making the provision for the Queen;
to abstain from agitating the question of her guilt
or innocence, and making the offer without asking
any admisSion of the former on her part. :Varna-
merit was not to be disturbed from its cinarse'by
her interference.siihe might, if she pleased,. re-
ject the grant when came to her in a proper
shape, but the House'had nothing- to do with her
objections. now. It was for it, as due to his Ma
jesty, to proceed to the order of the day on his
gracious couimunication. And he protested
against this:attempt to disturb the' \pellet, of the
country, or to 'dictate to the wisdom-of Parlia-
. ment on a-voint whielemust inevitably. lead to the
agitation of-other subjects, and to prolonged irri-
tation. and ferment. .

Mr. TrE'rtNcy never felt more desirous of ad-
dressing-the House than, on that occasion. He had
called the Noble Lord opposite to order for stat,
ing that Gentlemen on his side of the House were
actuated in their conduct by a desire of place,
and 'as the Noble Lord had particularly referred I
to him (Mr. Tierney) he thought it right to do
so. Ile-would net stoop to the meanness of
stating; that' he was not desirous of power ; he,.
had always thought it' as laudable and praise.
worthy feeling. He bad always given it as his
.opinion, that it was the only way in which he,
and. those Hon. Gentlemen who thought with him
could give weight and influence to their opi-
nions, and the only means whereby these opinions.
.could be turned to advantage for the Country;
He would never stoop to accept or hold office
'On the terms upon. which the Noble Lord had
held it. ,(Loud Cheers.)—lie would never
cept it on terms that Were net perfectly ho-
nourable to his feelings--(Cheers)='-"and (said
Mr. Tierney in an emphatic tone) -so help me
God ! I would sooner die on a dunghill than re-
ceive the King's pay for wading through some
work that I have 'lately seen.".--(Loud and con-
tinued cheers.)—The Noble Lord has thought,
that the re-establishment of(the Queen's charac-
ter was wholly incompatible with his existence
in power, that having failed, his attempts,
he could not longer retain office. The Noble
Lord. had stated, that he' would not make an
unmanly attack on her Majesty. He (Mr. Tieir-
ney) could tell what mood the Noble Lord
might be in to night, but as far as he could
hear-7(he was not able from indisposition to re-
main the whole time)—but as far as he con'ld hear,
he never recollected in the whole course of his life
a more unmanly attack on any defenceless female
than the latter part of the Noble Lord's Tench.

The Noble Lord had complained severely of the.
Qtteen7a•Message, attributing to her a disposition
to create disturbance. Of the propriety or itn-
Propriety of that Message, he should only aka,
that had he been in the situation of her Majesty,
he should have precisely done, the .same..-----
(Cheers.)—What did she do ?: She :takes the
first opportunity of informing the House that she
understood they wear: taking her, affairs into con-
sideration; and magnanimously told them, 44
I.
owe it to Myself-to say, that I cannot take your
money. after, what has ocdurred.'"--(cheers.)—
' But," says the Noble Lord, 44 I do not mean
to take any fresh proceedings." 'No, certainly.
not ; and why does he not? 'Because he dare not.
But he does the very next thingto that, he rakes
tip all the, odious proceedings in . the House of
Lords, for the purpose of exciting an unfavour-
able opinion against the Queen.. He (Mr. Tier,-
ney)'could' not 'be charged by', the Noble Ldrd
with a disposition to create disturbance, either in
or out of doors, lie had been,attacked by some
of his own friends for not coming forward, and
had incurred their displeasure for having 'been so
.extremely temperate as to incur the applause
of that Noble Lord for his moderation.: But he
had heard, with the most perfect horror, the doc-
trine that had been laid down within the last
week. It was a doctrine completely abhorrent
to all the ideas which as a Lawyer, as a Gentle-
man, as an Englishman, he had ever entertained-
lie could never have supposed that the discomfi-
ture of a sinking AdministratiOn.could ever have
conjured up a doctrine so revolting to every
ing of justice.--(Loud cheers.),--Mr. Tierney
then proceeded- to read some -extracts' from
the Journals of the House of Lords,-when he
was called to order. Well then, he supposed We
tight be allowed to say that heheard the Queen
had been convicted of adultery by a-Majority, of
-the House of Peers—that he boldly denied..
:was, most willing to admit, that *123 Peers did
,vote for the second reading of the Bill, but'
never di4 pass t vote of guilt. He would ask the
Noble Lord what was the necessity of stages
through which a Bill must pass- if men were not
allowed to change their minds ? In the House of
Commons how frequently did Members vote for
the second reading of a Bill, in the hope that
something would bealone in the Committee to in-
duce them to vote for lho' third readinga but, not
finding that the case, they have declined voting
for the third reading ?. But here, in this moat
extraordinary and anomalous case of the Queen,
they were told, that the second reading of a Bill
of Pains and Penalties amounted to a verdict of
" guilty, upon my honour." If that Were to be
the case, the most degraded wretch that lives una
der the gov&nment of' Turkey enjCys'as-muth
liberty, as, we do ; and this was the moral con-
viction of the prosecutors themselves, the very
Ministers whose political existence depeuded
'on calumniating -their Queen.—(Lotad cheers.),
,Here we had an 'opportunity of estimating one of
the blessings of our invaluable Constitution--
the Trial by Jury—which requires that the Jury
shouhl be unanimous, and imposes aecressaa So
that it could never be said to a man, CC True, -the
.!ury have acquitted you ; but five of the Jurors
.had a moral conviction on their minds that you
(committed morder."—He would push. this case,
no further, it must appear 'evident to any-Man
that ever- opened a book, or,....aver, relleaed, on,
the Constitution oi Etqlmat athat4.l raßbaci-00:tge
were tolerated, there could, be no 'sec-titity T'or any
ma in the country. But the Noble Lords seems to'
think, that because he has not in conteniplrttion
any fresh prOceedings- against the Queen, that
dierefote her Majesty has nothing to --coMplaitt
of. But he (Mr. Tierney) affirtneda that-the whole
tenor of that Noble Lord's- conduct was" ctll6t-;
lated to cast a stigma on the Queen. He might:
be permitted to advert to ah 'observation that-
fell from the Noble Lord opposite, respect.
big another Noble Lord 'in another place,'
who stated, that if the Bill did not- pass that
House, the Queen was entitled to all tier 'lto
troursa - dignities, and privileges. IloW. incur
sistent was the treatment her Majesty received
with that promise ?. a "-But," says 'the Noble.
Lord, " we give her 50,0001. a year, and w hat
a curious fellow yo:t are to complain."—This
might do very' well coining from an • indivi-
dual who cared nothing about squandering, the
public money ; lnithe hoped he did not -aft Un-
constitutionally, although. perhaps unpleasantly
to the Noble Lord, when lie stated that he, as
one of the guardians of the public purse, could
not consent to grant away the. public money un-
til acquainted with the worthiness of the object.
'ln his judgment, the Queen stood in The 'most
cruel situation in WhiCh any huMan being could
.stand. She had gone. through the Whole_ of a
trial, if so it might be called. Against-Bills of
Pains and Penalties there were so Many object.
tions, that he should' not mention any one of
them: :Ile denied 'that there -was.. any Verdict
until the Bill had obtained the Royall assent.—,
And why, he should he glad to kno, w; -did the
Bill not pass ! Out of respect, we are told, to the
feea,,*aras of the country, And would any man say
that what Ministers are now doing was resit( ctful
or congenial to the wishes of the people ? -The
Peers of England had shewn more respect to the
opinions of the people than their own Represen-.
tatives. The Noble Lord had spoken of pro-
tests.
And what are thee- protests? A 'majo-
rity was had for the itird reading,
.containing his
Majesty's Ministers and'the Lord CbaOcellor..
A curious circUmitance, occurred on that occa-
sion, which.he never expectedlt6 see or Lear. At
1 o'cloCk several voices were raised, 'Condemning,
the Queen,and extolling in fire highest manner the
proaeedings against her. In an hour after, a
speech of a few short sentences induced these
Noble Lords-to give it up, and he gavethe highest
credit to these NOble Lords who preserved their
consistency by: signing- those' protests. The real
cause why that Bill did n'ot' pass- is,- that the
Noble Lord felt a conVictiOd.oultis inind'that if
it came down to the House, of Corm-lions, theme.:
ment it was introduced 'it would. die an unnatural
death.--(Hear !)—The Noble Lord stated;lhat
he threw out no aspersions 'on her Majesty a but
he thought that the circumstance of refusing to
restore her name to the Liturgy was one of the
foulest aapersions that could be cast upon her.
The Noble Lord wishes ', to' be: tranquil. He

. .
(Yr. tierney)•had no doubt he did ;, be was sure
that nothing Avould give him greater pleasure than
tranquillity, and pernns•sion tO'eome dO4in
ly to that House, and vote away the publiii nuiney-
withont any disturbance. Bt t, he would ask
thoSe Gentlemen opposite to him, if, in their
Opinion, the cours.e which the Noble,Lord wasnow
ptit'suing was that whicli was best calculated to
es6.lage the public mie.l? And if the HonSe of
Comnions were tranquil, would that., did they
think, allay the delusion (as_ the Noble Lord
expresses it) under which the people labett,r ? I f
he could fort i to his mind any made by•WhiCh an
individual, anxious to undermine the, public tran-
quillity, could best effeet his purpose, it certain-
ly was that course which Ministet's were pursuing,
The Noble Lord vainly imagines that paying her
Majesty 50,0001. a year will satisfy her mind.
He honoured her Majesty for the Message she
had sent that night ; it clearly sheaved that she
preferred her character to any other 'considera-
tion. But he doubted whether, from the Speech,
they were called. upiiti to grant any money.=
He wished the Noble Lord would lay his finger
on that part of the Speech • that called upon
them to do so. His Majesty addresses the
Parliament in the following words :-44 It is
for you to consider what provision shall be made
for her Majesty, under the present rircumstan-
ces." Why, what can that mean, unless, indeed,
that her Majesty having been tried and acquitted,
is to be provided for acdordingly ?—(Cheeis.)—
The Noble Lord had•sald, that, even if convicted,
some maintenance should be allowed her.
.In
that assertion he (Mr. Tierney) concurred ;
even if her Majesty had 'been convicted, still,
considering her high station,. and the rank from
which she had fallen, a comfortable allowance
should be-made her for life. But, why, he would
ask; grant her 50,0001. a year, why .grant such.a
sum of the public money to this degraded, this
tainted Queen? On that subject he was at a loss
to forin an opinion ; but when asked, what pro-
vision should be made for an insulted, injured
Queen; who had been tried and acquitted, then
he could form a judgment, and say that lie thought
it not enough.—(Cheers.)---The Noble Lord
complains of the opposition that is given
him, but ssd long as the Queen is deprived of
her just and lawful rights, so long shall oppo-
sition be given to, him. On the subject .of
the Liturgy, another„ motion shall and must
be made. If another`motion were not made,
they would net do their duty to the country-.
(Loud cheering)-11e begged the Noble Lord
to recollect the ecanlition in which the country
stood. The people or-this country were far dif-
ferentamw from what they -had formerly been.—
Let the 'Noble Lord remember the question that
presented itself to the eyes. of. this enlightened
people:. The simple question is, " Shall or shall
not an acquitted Queen. have the benefit of that
acquittal ?"—(Long and continued cheers.)—.On
the night when the question was previously dis-
cussed, the question of adjournment was put at
seven o'clock in the morning, and natuvally car-
ried. 'There were'.many could not' vote for the
negative of •it ; some probably thought it meant
to-convey:a ensure on Miuisters, Many could
not vote for it, because they could not meet their
former friends at their -chubs and soforth. But
once done; in their opinion, it is' irrevocable.
The dignity of. Ninisters would be lost if the
E.(ll,mnewere restorers, but do what they will, her
name Will be restored-to the 'Liturgy, and if he
walked (rut 4)f That House with only ten Mem-
bers, on his side, and all the others opposed
against him, still would he feel convinced that it
Inust. be ;16neT.; . for the people had taken such a
firtnitoid,olthe question, they entertain such an
Utter .'Couterept and detestation for the perse-
•.eutors•of. the Queen, that they will never re=
linqui•sh it. It should be the wish of a good and
a wise _Administration to allay and not to
irritate, the; feeling-of discontent that is abroad,
and seeing that the Queen is acquitted, they
should allow her the full and entire benefit of
that acquittal.--(Loud and continued cheers.)
Mr.,•Banitinsi‘ said, the' Right lion. Gentle-
man had excluded from his consideration the most
material part of the speech Which affected 'the
(been, and which stated the prevision for-
merly made for her, to have expired, and which
of course made it, necessary that another should
be made.' The 'Queen being at present without
any pre\ isien whatever, the House would see
what
.was meant 'by-the words " present circum-
stances.'' He contended there was no difficulty
as to form in the way of their 'proceeding to take
the subject into consideration. The -kind of pre-
vision which it might be necessary:(O-make, he
diSmissed altogether for the present,ai,that could
only be properly discussed in
.the Committee,
The Right lion. Gentleman complained of the
[node in whiCh his Noble Friend had referred
to the proceedin4s hi the other douse Of Parlia-
ment. These were, now the property of the
• country, and-night be • referred to by any one,
and were therefore liable to lie commented upon.
The Right Honourable Gentleman had com-
plained thaCthe 13111 of Pains and Penalties was
spoken of, having only passed a second reading,'
as if it had passed through all its stages. On
• this imint.;he- wished to meet the Right Hon.
Gentlem•an. lie Must complain that this Bill
had been assimilated unfairly to cOmmon.BillS. If
a person Voted for a Bill on the second reading;
he could not (unless it were altered in prin.,
cipie in the Coadmittee) refuse to vote for it 'in a
sttbseqUent stage. .T he second reading of the. Bill
in question,' it should be remembered, had not
been Moved till after a solemn inquiry into-the con-
duct Of her Majesty, and he contended that the
way inr, which the Bill was disposed of at last,
.could notamdo. what had previously been done.
But, independently of that, he contended that
the -HouFm had a right.to -look at the evidence
given, and form an opinion for themselves. It
was :hots he ivonld take upon himself to say, that
the publiC Would form their opinion. The Queen,
he admitted; was entitled to her legal rights, as
if no'prosecntion had taken place, but the inser-
tion of her name in the Liturgy was not one of
them. If the sense of popular meetings were to
• regulate their decisions he might be allowed Co
state,'that at many meetings which had taken
place,'petitions had 'been 'agreed to, expressing
as much horrorlat holding up the Queen as an ob-

ject of favour, as other Petitioners could feel at
the idea of an opposite course being pursued.
it Was not necessarily a stigma on the (been
that her name was net inserted in' the Littirgy.
It veas admitted by the Right Hon. Gentleman
himself, that whatever had been the result of the
late proceedings, Parliament-' Waist have been
called upon to make sortie pidvision for lierMa=
jesty. 'Phis admitted; v/hat fair objection' could
be urged to the course now taken ; NiTh6-rilt-waa
said on the part of her Majesty, "-I will have no
provision unless yode the House of Commons,
will undo your resolution; unless .Some Member of
the House, of Commons will move (what never'
yet had been moved,
.but which, he was happy
to learn, there were some thoughts of moving oti
the part of the Gentlemen opposite), " :that-my
natrie shall be restored to the Liturgy," it was
,then for them to consider whether they should
suffer themselves to be influenced by such'lan,
'guage. The question was not now what kind of
provision should be made for her Majesty. That
would be the subject of discussion in the Com-
mittee, but the question was, whether any provi=
sion .at all should be made ; 'unless the House
chose to be. dictated to by her Majesty herself,
who in effect said, ". If you do not retrace your
steps, and say that all that has been.done ought
to be undone, and declare that my" character is
not at all affected by the evidence which, has
taken place, I will not respect any thieg that you
may think proper to decide upon."
Lord FOLKESTONE called upon the House for
their. own sakes, for the sake of their COnsti-
tuents, and for the sake of the Country at large,.
'to pause before they proceeded further. • From
the time the first message *as 'sent down about
the queen, he had never ceased to deplore the
part vrliich Ministers had thought it right to take.
Every step had -,but served to confirni him inure
and more in the opinion he had originally held,
as to the calamities which the agitation of this
question Was likely to produce in the country,
and he Would appeal to all that had taken
place, 'if these discussions could now proceed:
without producing the most mischievous con-
sequences.. He complained' 'of the speeches of
the Noble Lord opposite, and in particular of
the sarcasm, which he had uttered when in-
troducing the proposition for makine a pro-
vision for, the Queen while speaking of* the
" allegiance of her subjects,'.' and the " tender
interest" Which she had inspired. The Noble
Lord (Lord Castlereagh) had talked of the un-
constitutional errors iuto which,her Majesty had
fallen. This language was held by the organ of
the Administration which had introduced the
late Bill of Pains and Penalties, by a 'Ministry
who, after abandoning it, denied the accused the
benefit of an acquittal, and contended that a
technical acquittal was a moral conviction ! He
denied that it was clear that 1'23 Peers believed
her Majesty to. be guilty of Adnitery: The'Pre,
amble of the Bill set forth a, variety of acts, and
the Peers who voted for the Bill might have
thought her Majesty ought to be degraded
for taking Bergami into. her service,- or for
other acts charged, Without believing her
to have committed adultery, Ile inquired
why the Bill was not , pressed ? Why did
not Alinisters take a technical cenvictio'n as
well as a moral one ? I t ;vas becanse they were
afraid of bringing the Bill to the House of
Commons. lie tllniolit he had a riglat to State,
as he could prov9it, to demonstratiOik, that 123
Peers in the House of Loeds had not voted for
the Bill, in the conviction that the Quecul was
guilty of adultery. ; But if it were so, it, was to
overturn the general system-of Dui' jurisprudence,
not to give a party acquitted, through a ,flaw
in the indictment, or. any other circum-
stance, the -benefit -of an acquittal. 'That
the House and Atinisters might have, time to re-
consider the subject; before they cane to Lde-
cision on the question - now before them, he
moved as-an amendment, " that this House do
now adjourn." n
Mr. J. BRowN declared it had appeared to
him to be the object 'of the Noble Lord to keep
the matter now in debate perfectly clear of the
question of the guilt or 'innocence of the Queen.
When others were so angry, that those opposed
to them considered the Queen guilty, he fhotip-ht
he had as good a:right to 'complain of their
,assuming that she was innocent, -after 'a Bjl`l of
Pains and Penalties had been brought in against '
her, and carried to the second reading. It had
been stated by her most eloquent advocate' in the.
Houso of Lords, that as she had virtually been
found guilty,' he could not consent to-the Divorce
clause being withdrawn. The Queen had been
virtually convicted on the third reading, and yet
it was contended that'she was now to be held up
to the world with all the honours of the virtuous
Queen Charlotte. He -objected to the proposed
grant as extravagant and improper, seeing it went'
to place on the same footing with,one- of the best
and most virtuous Queens, one who (to say no
more)' was More than suspected of not being quite
so good. With these feelings, he should be
happy to vote for a smaller sum.
The House was about to divide, and the gal--
lery was nearly cleared, when

Mr; I.4.tmu rose. He felt it necessary to offer
a few words on the present motion. ✓From the
first agitation of this unfortunatelmsiness, his
object had been, in the' first instance, to pr vent
the proceedings which had taken place, and, in
the next, to put a stop to them.as soon -as pos-.
sible. rt was in this view that he had voted on a
former evening in favour of the .motion of his N o--
b 1 e Friend for censuring - Ministers for leaving
her Majesty's `name out of the' Liturgy, in the
hope it'restored, and he should . be dis-
3,oed of
toh sa et ee
for any other motion that might
have
t object in view. lie wished not to
t vote o.►a't'g
dwell on the conduct of the. Queen. He thought
it improper for any jtidgmentto be formed on it,but
by those who had beard the evidence. lie mint
however say; that the presumption was that
she had been judged .properly:—(ll ear, hear
It was to be remembered, that in 'the first in-
stance she had been offered 60,000/. per_annum
and an honourable retreat.. • That was au offer
which he had-expected her to eutbrace with gra-
titude ; and,. in hiszopinion, speaking with-respect
to public feeling, and not_ to le-;!I cimsequencps,
she might then have retired with •,nite as much

honnitras she had gained by pursuing an Oppo;
site course.—(Hear, hear !)—rle thought
,she'
would Inive been wise to give up this point at
that period, and at the cohclusion of the trial,
-when she must and-did consider her innocence to
be established,she.mht have done so with pro-
priety. He, thought that if her Majesty had-
been wise, if animated by a patriotic spirit, or
by a regard for the welfare of this Country, She'
-would have-given it up then. He thought that
even that night she might have wisely abandoned
her claiMs. He therefore felt it right to say,
that though lie did not presume to condemn, he
could not but lament the Message which her Ma-
jesty had sent 'down. lie thought the_House
ought not to depart from that course which it
was disposed to take from a general.view of the
case in consequence of that Message. In pursu-
ance of his duty to his country—in pursuance of ,
-hie' wish to take that course which was most
likely cairn 'the agitated mind of the Public,
he should vote for going into the Committee.
Mr. BaounnAm considered the subjectto have
been so fully discussed, that he would have left
it to the decision of the House without speaking
vs; it, but for one or two olyservations WhiCh had
falleo fr'om his lion Friend who had Spoken last.
The Queen, as a party; on a trial where acquittal
taken place, was-most perversely 'disparaged
in more parts of the house- than one. Ile found
such: a feeling in 'parts of the House where he
could _not possibly lface believed it to exist.
' Under these circumstances lie must crave pardon -
while he offered a few "Words to- hi4llOnoura-
-Ile Friend,- to remind him of what had
passed, and to.put it to the House and to his
Honourable Friend himself, if he had dealt with
c6rUrnon.justice towards the Queen. 'Tito surd
of his Honourable Friend's opinion . (for he
had, used no argument,) came to this, that
the Queen was always wroug,—that others
sehOwere opposed to her were always. right.—
, 1011 e labouring under a charge before trial; and
in different stages of the trial, and in the peculiar
circumstances in which she was placed at the
clo:seof it, when a confession, was made,—a con-
fession -worthy a hundred speeches from the First
Lord of the 'PreaAtry.-, a confession made by the
Kling himself (the abandonment of the bill) in-a
voice so loud, that it reached,every heart in the
kingdom,.that inhabited a bosOm open to feeling.
The trial.had closed for one reason, and for one
alone—because proof of guilt ad not exist.
(Cries of Hear, hear, hear l)—Such Was the case
with respect to her -Majesty's guilt. He would
take the verdict of her prosecutors, half of whom
were her judges; vet they who held- ail that was
esr to them in the. world, their places, by the
.tenure of her Majesty's conviction, they had
given
.up the Bill. This was no better than a
confession on the part of her prosecutors them-
selves, that she was not proved guilty. His lion.
Friend said he agreed with the Queen on the sub-
ject of the Liturgy, yet he thought she ought to
give, it up :—she ought. to crouch after an acquit-
tal. After her acquittal, and the abandon-
ment of the prosecution, she was to come forward
and conduct herself as a guilty woman; Nothing
could be more danzeroui to the tranquillity of
the country, than the denial to the Queen of all
her rights and immunities. The Noble Lord, on
the other side of the House, considered the ques
tion of the Liturgy of no importance on
.this occasion ; but on the discussion' of the
motion made by the Member •for Bramber,
the Noble Lord stated it to be a stig-rna.e—
The Noble Lord taking a new and distinct
view of the subject had been pleased to
call the triumph of the -Queen the technical ac-
quit.ta!—(Hear, hear :)—they had heard it said
in that House : suppose the Bill of Pains and
, Penalties passes the :House of Lords, -still there
will be no bias in thin House, Only let it pass
there, and it will came to this House to be consi-
dered by Men.bers free from prejudice. The Bill,
however, did not pass, the Lords; and because it
did not come down to them, they were called upon
to believe all was proved against the.-Queen, that
was, - actually disproved.---(Hear, hear!)—So
much for the total absence of all bias and preju-
dice. Sothething bad been said about the Mes;
sage smt down, by her, Majesty, to which he
wished to make a few short observations
-
,ever.he had seen a message which-in its tone was
pacific, it iva4 the Message received by the House
that night., The Queen merely said, she under-
stood the
.House were to discuss money affairs,
and she begged them to recollect. her situation
was a situation to which Parliament had dragged
her, and she could not barter away her right for
money. If she did, there was an end to safety.
The Noble Lord had. suggested, 'that the Ales--
sage might have been spared until the proposi-
tion-.fur the allowance of money was-known. If
she had waited, they would no doubt have been
told
,that she was too late, and that-respect for
'the Hone. should have- induced- the Queen to
make a more early application. How the Message
could be twisted -into dictation he was at a loss
to judge. He was assured that these unfortunate
discussions could only terminate by making the
Queen secure of her rights.-‘ He could say,.con-'
scientionsly and upon his honour, he saw no
means of terminating such unpleasant discussions
;unless Parliament did that aCt of justice which.
arose out of law. It never could be tolerated
that she who had been Queen should be treated
as if.she had not.
Mr- 11. BRIGHT opposed the adjournment of
the question. It was necessary to proceed to
discussion with a view to settle the question, and
preserve tranquillity. It was the duty of the
House to proceed, and make such a grant asjus-
tice And the Constitution dictated. The Queen
bad said she would not receive the grant, and
that was the reason why the House,..was bound;
in support of its own dignity, to go on. He, for
one, would vote a proper allowance, and say—
" There it is ; if you wish to .have it, take it
from the Exchequer : yon will not take it,
leave it."—(Hear, hear.!)—ThAt was the prin-
ciple upon which he should vote against adjourn-
ment. Every man ought on this occasion to.
state all he had to propose to tranquillize the
country.
Mr. MARTIN- (of Galway) rose to make a few
observations upon an attempt which had been
made to excite a feeling of contempt towards the

Hon. Member for 'Hertfordshire. That iron;
Member never stated that he wished the Queen's
name in the Litnrgy. The Hon. Member said
he considered the Queen would have stood in a
better plight, NN ith respeCt to the opinion of the
House and the public, in case she had.received
the Address of that House, recommending her
not to insist on her name being re-inserted in the
Liturgy. He heard from Gentlethea on the other
side.of the House, great deprecation of thing
adverse to their views, but thjy did not hesitate
to brand all who had been opposed to the Queen
with the term wretches, and to use words of irri-
tation. Was it not irritation for a Member of
Parliament to get up and say, he would not vote
any money before the Queen's name was re-en-
tered in t-ho • Liturgy ?—Such words were :never
heard within ,those walls before. When the Op-
position .Was led by Burke and Fox, in the
American War, the Members were 'never heard
to say, " ifyon do not insert the Queen's name
in the Liturgy we will disband your Army—we
will not .pay yotir Judges—you shall have no
Army—no Courts, if you do not put the- Queen's
name in the Liturgy." Would Gentlemen con-
sider it right to suspend their Parliamentary duty
upon 'a mere punctilio ? It was not a punctilio on
which her. Majesty's innocence could rests be-
cause the restoration of her name to the Liturgy
did not depend upon any act of her own, ,but the
acts of..others. The Hon. Member concluded by
voting against the adjournmenL
The SPRIKER then put the question for
jourhinept, which was negatived without a diision.
The original motion, namely, that the SPE:IKF.4
do. leave the Chair, was 'Consequently carried,
and he left-the Chair, accordingly.