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'Pr. MILNER 1; 111.•-• •N eerhed to al; a qmstien of the
Right Hen. Baronet on ter ..uhjert of the pros -.et state of our
relations with the Br.-z•le It wai• sv.el eeewn that we
Th-1 had a enremercial treaty' with that coeette ,;Mach
had e
expired in the inriteb t
ee,,eeeeeee list: 'etler the
1110v,sions of its
',tette nett subjetes reeelieg in the
"'ls 'vete ebtirl: ei certain privileges, which were nut pos-
?s` cl b3. Brazilians, le reference to the dispesal of th••ir
"61141; by will, the i'nelish Corisul taeieg care that in the
reeitt of the death of a British sehject. his prop••rtv were to his
he'rF• That treaty expire in November ; anal it. ev.s the
Reneral opinion that the priviges wt, ch had been e .jejed by
British subjects hat expired with it. .% c:se had tecerely
a isen in which consider • hie alarm had ,eeti fee as souse disp••sel
Of the property et 13 ilish sot jects djiee in the Brazils, or dyiee
intlti. country. and leavine er•-pertj in the Bielz:ls. Hr wished
to ask the flight Hon. Baronet first, if the Give-re-11,e had
taken the matter into their conside, al 'on ? Secondly. if sir.
Hamilton had made any eon munieateen to them on this sue-
bull? And thirdly, if he coma old out any bops that the
afhprivileees wonli l be • onfitetee to Rtetise subjeet:s in ;be
Ilraells, which the 3 had eej +yet: previ .oily t' the exteration of
the treaty ?
'lr• Be PEEL replied th t it often hapeened teat the mer-
chants of Liverpool and Manchester received earlier in;elligence
Of Matters of this nature than was received by the Eareien-
°ffice• The Government had not received any account of the
teettlaction to which the Hon. Gentleman referred, lett he
Would make this general statement that by the treaty which ee-
Tered in 1844, on tee death (if any subject iv the Brazils
the administration of his effects develved upon the British
Consul and not upon the Brazilian authorities. Her Nla-
ife;ty's Government had made a proposition to the 13rdzilian
Government on the subject of the treaty, and that stipulation
*as a part of the proposal which they had made.
THE ASHBURTON TREATY.
Lord PALMERSTON did not think that the answer
Which the Right Honourable Baronet had given to his
Honourable Friend the Member for Montrose on the sub-
ject of the extracts from the dispatches which had been
read lay Lord Ashburton in another place was altogether
Mltufactory. He did not know exactly the extracts to which
Its Hon. Friend had alluded, tint, from what he had beard, he
Understood that Lord Ashburton had read elsewhere
e_same extracts from. certain dispatches, for the pur-
v4e of showing that some statement that had been
shade by a member of that House (the House of Commons)
was erroneous. Now he would assume that to be the fact—
Mear, hear," from Mr. Hume)—and he would ask where did
Lord Ashburton get those dispatches ?—( Cheers.) He must
have procured them either as a negotiator, in which
ease they would be his own dispatches, either written by him
or sent to him, or they were dispatches which had been ob-
tained from the Foreign-office, or they were dispatches
Which had been laid before Parliament. 11 they
Were dispatches which had been laid before Parliament,
had nothing more to say. The Noble Lord had a perfect
right to use them. If the dispatches were his awn—were dis-
atches which had come into his power as a negotiator, having
had
either written by him or to him—if these dispatches
uat'l been furnished to him by the Government, then he would
11l that, in the first case, he had nu right to read his own dis-
Patches without having obtained permision of the Government,
and if ho had obtained that permission, or if they herl been
furnished to him by the Foreign-office, then it was the inva-
-I),lable practice of Parliament to lay those dispatches on the ta-
*, in order that Parliament might know what they contained,
ill
of being only made acquainted merely with extracts
read in Parliament. The Right Hon. Baronet would see that
was not sufficient to say that the diseatches merely related
tee •
question which had been settled. The question was not in
reality as to anything that had passed le in the negotiations •t wet n
,
nUnited 'states and this country, hut it was to see if err-
in statements mate in that House by persons formerly hold-
eege effiejal situations, were or were not erroneous,
whether or not the'e statements had been
far the ;.urp -es of deceiving. Ile wish d
tii° ask another questiee. On the pith July, he moved
8, return of the number of tiegroes landed in each year,
from 1815 'downwards, on the coast of America. That return
the Rieht Hon. Bareret acceded to with the greatest rea-
diness. and he (Lord Palmerston) eou'd only wish that tire
iosapidi readiness had been =hewn in furnishing it. The Riche
• Baronet had ecild him that he ha:!
,ir•eented it, het this
t"'" not his ( Lord Palmersten's) return. but same other. Ile
.I.2;‘lied the Right Hen. Baronst would make itiquiries into the
-eeiect. and see that the returns were presented.
PEEL •'d •t detsfar what dispatches the
seen.i• co nett un
AerP alember for Montrose had alluded to. Of course. it •5
necessary, any dist•atches which had been produced
, the other tleu-e• Parlisvrent might be produced
theb_ OU.P commons, (se we understood Right HowBar°net,
"buraernnet, but from the low retie of voice ys hitch he spoke, and
iee whit'.. prevailed in the House, e creed ••eaTeely Leer
net)
rall!_r. UTNE said he had alluded to dispatches which hal
eferred to by a Noble Lord in another place, which Ind
e" t
been laid before thet House.
te'Se,ir B. PEEL, with reseect to the return allud•-d to by
e`le i`trible Lord, could oily saj that was very difficult to Rot,
P s
'uch returns, but he would use every exertion to have this
(Ile Made,

BUENOS AYRES.
EWART wished to put a question to the Right Hon.
MBaronet vrith reference to the ailairs of Buenos Ayres and
onte Video. His only object in doing so was the protection
h,Of British property and the resto ation of commerce. Since
e had last mentioned this subjoct he had understood, from
lkOthority which he could not doubt, that the blockade had b_e-
%vac a general blockade of the town of Mmte Video. He also
understood that the commerce on the river Plate had been pro.
hibited. He had also understood that duty had been levied on
foreign ships, and that an edict had been issued by the Go-
tornment of Buenos Ayres for suppressing the English, Scotch,
14u1 Irish schools in that town. The question he had to ask
*tstfirst, whether such measures had been taken as would en.
sere the safety of British property ; and, secondly, whether
It2til pleasures were in progress as would restore the commerce
of =t part of South America?
Let'. ft • PEEL could only make the same statement which
made sometime since, namely, that steps had been
._`en by the British Minister in conjunction with the repre-
lotative of the Court of France to put an end to the unhappy
heb.teot things to which the Hon. Gentleman referred. With
thaVeet to the protection of British commerce he could state
of tr7TPle means existed in the river Plate for the protection
thellllll property and British subjects. There were six
the Gofish vrar in the river Plate. With respect to the schools
•ertnent had received no communication. The Bri-
ed, and .cotch subjects had a right to private schools for the
Wvand of their children and any edict prohibiting their
aate schno's would b et by an effectual remonstrance
thle'le,•lo.inc,tut,•naenanforeeememnt
toof
wtahsatedict. The last thing
B referred important, he said that
4al: Government of A s claimed the allegiance of
,British subjects. Auenforeigner born within the dominions
." Majesty was a re
British-born subject—if a subject of her
'lefty was born
mit
Buenosofjzentt st,
..edee
br eodniaatmitinaons Ayres, then he could not be
sub'ect. But if the son of a British sib-
A jres then they had no right to object.
contendaPeiPt.lie4Wtit°f thatyprinciple for which they themselves
Buenos"lle Ito was entitled to the citiz. nship of
Ayres he `las liable to the burthens of the State.
Sir R. MAYI,IOO l'H.
(Sir
reef p,, `..LIS wished to rsk the Right Hon. Baronet
Bill
for itletting
to the Maynoothgrant at the time now appointed
• Sir
the , • PEEL said it was a matter of great tmport,nce that
beit:e of the Howe e.huld be taken on s impotant a
'V, but it was his desi ore that it should beo read ar second
on Friday next.

THE OREGON TERRITORY QUESTION.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL said he had a question of eery
great importance to bring before the eonsieeratien of the-
Rouse, and he hoped he wood, th refore, be t ardoned if he
trespassed Upon it for a shoe time. to call in question eith-T It was not his intention
the general foreign policy of her Ma-
jesty's present Government, er of that which they hats given
isotice with respect to the particular question I,ow before the
House ; but what he intended to d,r was, to bring before Oil'
Legislature the question of the Government of the United
States in reference to the Oregon territory. His Hon. ann
Learned Friend the Member for Bath had inten•!e 1 to hat—
Put the same question to the Government, but- he eid not (to
say expecting to tare had a sa•isfactery expianatto., from the
"Government ; and ho (Lord John Rulieli) would
"ave Pursued the same course had it not been f•tr
the inaugural addl.- sees of the two P. et•idtmti of the
titat,s, by which it appyared it we., intended to take
~ unitedqUestion out of the (military course of dii la-Eerie que--
d.,"aav, and tkerefore it demanded more than ordinary consi-
a-Zilatift from that House. Had this question been left be-
b-"'ea the_ Executive Goren merit of this cour,try, and the
":•jecutive. Government. of the United States, as ee
tut usual c• rs , whateter might have been the result he
Ltauld have ')"
waitede in deuce, until the ..lose of the roceed-
t`at bettre he should have interfered —( Hear, hear.) But if
';'e did not very much nestake. he believed he would be war-
litte la saying, that the P•.esident ef the Unitid States
eour se entlre y new.—
(le -4 the present instance, ad•ipted a
ear)„4
course which, if not met by something ileeisi,e
00,.11dti„he Part of this country. n y threateeed to overthrow all the
---`arY intercnturisseewohui• hr- *should exist between the Execu-
tive Gover
cision
is amours of the two nations, and leave the de-
to be decideadestions
one
ereat national importance
hand by popular a -
theof
dress"
frma the Government to the people
art the other. by a course which would put an end to allepetaheee
,I",id lity, and that national dignity which charactteritshed
dist%''"g intercourse, and which was so necessary
tohts dueeoon.
er, discharge of that duty to the rights of the People
4.,""ieh the British Government had taken under their
ewll----( Hear, hear.) He should here mention--though he
reillottltl_ionly do so as a passing allusion—that this message
2tea et that vast territory of the United States, the annexe-
,h, af Texas, and of which he would not state the boundary,
:": m.lalreits remained still undefined ; bat he would merely
13"‘Y that that east extent of territory was a most fruitful soil,
surj.;!utine cotton and other articles used in this country, and
xt Pirated by slave labour, and extending, as it would no doubt
ethiselkl, aver that portion of the country. He had alluded to
f
,howi part . of the question only for the purpose o
ti e ng that the present conduct of the Execu-
i.! Government of the United States tended entirely to
tillai.Vin territorial aggrandisensent.—( Hear, hear.) He said
floesuecause it was in direct contradiction of the political declare-
14i Made by_ Mr. Webster, who had declared that the true
.o, 7 of the United States was to seek for increased strength,
„e ;am territorial aggrandisement, but by the cultivation of
7,', esources which lay within their own immense territory.
17,„,_bel_ief was that, in declaring that Opinion, Mr. Webster
.
of aid
coepanot only what was most likely to preserve relations
tty with foreign powers, but that which was most
• hear°NrlnaLle to the interests of his country.— (Hear,
sin ••1 But be that as it might, such a curse had
ot:e.been departed from. In the next sentence of the message,
kr: declaring his intention, by all appropriate means, to con-
Dr_ laate at the earliest period the annexation of Texas, the
~_!'ldent goes on with the following remarkable paragraph,
~Teli I will read throughout. The paragraph is as ohows :
ti_lvat).r will
.it become less my duty to assert and tr,taintain,
111_11 eoustitutional means, the right of the United States to
tir_tsPortion of our territory which lies Le3ond the rocky muun.
queust.i Our title tu the coutrry of the Oregon is el. er and ue-
htheatrti°tlfleatbjiye ; and already our people are preparing to perfect
occupying it with th it wives and children.—(
thea • s About Clgiity years AtTO OW' people were confined on
~._ ,r't by the ridge of the Alleghenies. Within that period
„,.7,!hiti the lifetime, I might say, o• some t•f my hear. re—cur
tea)'qle increasing to many millions. have flied the east.rii
of the Alissi:sippi—adventurothis ascended the Alts,ou-i
Llei:s. head springs, ants are alreactv et,gpged in estabhsbmg the
",,,,,,eill.ngs of our Government in the valleys the rivers of w .ich
!1,,t. itr.to the Pacific. The world beho•ds tke p•atteful triumeli
, !her
industry of oar emigrants. It is our duty to piotect them
il'ala_
srever they may h.. upon our soil.isdietion of our
t_w_t el the bent-fit cf ~ur public institutions, should be ex-
-17. tad o(ver them In the distant regions which they pace ses
Ivt,e f. rr their homes. The increasing facilityof '
in-ereour,e
part easily brieg the States, of which the formation in that
, 'LIO oar terri,or y e.tinot he long delayed, within the sphere
.. ;Lai!r fedefative union. In the meantime the obligations int-
i' by treaties or conventional armngemseats should be
that Yste*Peated '' Here teas, in the first place. in as4rtion
010. trio title of the United States was clear and unquesttona
11l tin 11,Xt Vale, that the title. 7u perfrecvd by till