The Sun.
London, England, 1844-03-08 00:00:00

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sessions were restricted within too narrow limits.t
rot ei
salary of the recorders were increased, they r
as tee'reeetso
barred from an opportunity of practising 1,4 to bit°
approved of the principle of the Bill, but reser, ,
right of dissenting from ihe details.
Leave was then given to bring in the Bill.
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arise'
BRAZIL. the "'-‘,Ol
Mr. M. GIBSON presented a petition from
the 0 i
Chamber of Commerce, calling the attention annoy
a th
the precarious state of the trade of the eo_e cese)
Brazils, in consequence of the restrictions upell_est ,
The petitioners prayed that the House would noat,L aafes
with anything short of the equalisation of the d tie'
oto
and colonial produce. o Thsts eli
A
Air. LA BO LIC I-I ERE then rose to move- •ng the A
ddress ho presented to her Majesty, represen:',;iiitvo
importance to this country of the trade with the aeops,
Brazils, and humbly praying her Majesty '
t to eisS
measures as may appear best calculated thecl
and improve the commercial relations betweat:,:eakett..,
Kingdom and the Brazils." Be had eura„itisir
invite the attention of the House to the werectio
of the present state ' and the future
the the commercial relation, of this country with the do iiies,;
though he was sensible how littie able he was t° 03;,
such a subject, yet no Alember of ,hat House, relic easl./,
of the magnitude of the question, or the Ontnee' ree IS)
the commercial classes toe areas it, would be prel'a :00 of,
was improper for the consideration and delibetsttioit 01
House. Upon ma y questioi:s connected widit 10111
he was relieved from the iieces•ity of enietingeseted 134,
because lie ceted no. c 'eeve there ee object
difference of tipibmn among the Members on that jetelbto
would not be eecessery for him to prove, at any
_ono
importauce of the commercial relations of this c,OOlll
Brazil. If there was a country in the world boull3iraria,ti
relations of ami y with th s count}, it was fereliil,o
g, eat extent, inferior to no pal tof the globe-its lop ;I
mighty river, by which it was watered-it's papal 101Soe
amounted to upwards of 7,000,000-the state rechs Of
the population, produe ng an abundance of at
of estoa
could not be produced in this country-its wan
shove, thsloi
tures and shipping-all these circumstances este e
land and Brazil wei e two countries formed to hatijiol°o,
relations with each other. He would beg,n by s web!'
house what was the present state of this COantry
ocotai
Our trade with Brazil was at present regulated, hioia 'it
cial treaty, concluded between the two countries naetti'
treaty was one eminently favourable to this 0004
Brazilians engaged to take our manufactures and Pridr,o
this treaty at a maximum duty of 15 per cenr•iialetol
We were tree on the other hand to a etes;"
duties we pleased on the produce of Brazil, and'heti
la the House what were the duties this counlrY iLitt'lie
On the great staple articles of the produce of Bras an
for the favourable terms on which they took our Ii?!
The exports of aiazil, according to the statistd
10, 1
on which he could place most reliance, acnounie ogee,
7,200,0 el. In the article of coffee, their eaPer,t;se ire et
3,000,000/. sterling a-year. Sugar was the next lesdia
and the exhort of that articleamounted to WO' atietisiss
The remaining 3,000,000/. was made up from ar‘a. teii
clew, such as cotton-wool, tobacco, hides, sod n; sit'll,4e
three most important_ articles were coffee, sugt;tlsl,
wool. • ~Now with regard to sugar, we haveg It ersloc/f,
it which, in effect, is quite prohibitory, an I wine' of f
to be prohibitory. It was a duty on the artieleoed sae
cent, ad valorem. :On coffee they bad ~P, pry,3
which, though not prohibitory, was sii" iyi° tp ,
amounting to 2001. per cent. ad valorem. The oonoie Ap
article which they let in front the Brazils on ;load Tif
was cotton-wool. This state of things had P tealieri)
which could not astonish any one who had listeoad
portaa _
ment he had just made, viz., that while we ea ~,, isi j
the Brazils a great amount of British produce, "aerie',
and introduced into the consumption of this countr4 V,
amount in value of the produce of Brazil in retteiliestiett#
of our export trade to Brazil was about two I" tee'?
half sterling a year-it had varied a little doringritsV,
years-last year it rallied a little, but he was seerita iivor.
it was rather a struggling and declining trade tusedid
ing one, for reasons to which he should Pre,t of 41)
but it was very considerable. In 1836. the exPt- fin 1
manufactures to Brazil amounted to 3,000,000•_, and
averaged rather above than under two enillioPai,7.
lio
annually, till the year 1842, when it fell le o,' $ co°
In the last year, 1843, it had ineresosit
and it still amounted to 2,140,0001. °oper',
was the exact amount of our exports to th oatenrlior
Brazilian produce which was imported for ee.o.toiroir
this country, was small in comparison, emounna; t
/!
undoubtedly tween three and tour hundred thousand 1011 te of Oritisto
undoubtedly a very anomalous and unnatural s aOl
and
and it obnoxiously exposed our merchant! ce/
..
facturers to very great disadvantages 1 albs e
with those of other countries. The consequenee aereoe
system was, that the merchants of this coutilrioirie i
to resort to an indirect procedure. British rte o`., 5
cut a cargo of British manufactures to the e flireiraro
could not find a cargo to bring back agaie'coffee' 0/1)
therefore obliged to take their cargo of sugar, otef::010
ever it might be, to some third country,. toll
OA'loe9
the voyage with the ships of that country, wtn,
returning home, possessed an advantage over th.e ded °AO
to the expen-e of navigation. They were olti-olile.iio
this country in ballast, atter suffering every , tioirled'ai
their competition with the vessels of other (lob 09,:i
effect of this state of thing; was so obvious legly
think it necessary to cite uocuments at 01 teat°
.1
trate it. There were, however, one or two sloe dry
he would venture to read to the House. lebeeisaeea 01
the evidence of Jr.A Moore, a respectable Draiigett'9
before the- Import Duties' Committee. (Tile --referfi)
tleman then read a portion of the evidence,
0-10,
number of vessels which left Liverpool Wool 40
It was stated that, in 1838, not one 0t ii000,"4
to this country Irom Brazil, which was elf ei
,e,
He would read an extract from a petition lat 0 Tell
the House by the shipowners and enerchantsios'4l
They put this part of the subject in a forcible P 0000
CI he Right Hon. Gentleman then read an elt to
petition, which stated that 114 vessels wel:2l, °tele
Rio Janeiro for sugar, and that only, holsali
this country with a return cargo, and that was 001,
effect on the shipping interest of the country./higioe
.0
those who were in the habit of defending the,..sir 00,1
of the country would take those facts into WeeateitVid,
Of this he was sure, that no interest in the "east v,
more benefited by a liberal system of contra4o 0, /
the shilling interest.-( Hear, hear.) I • 00°4 11/
heretofore opposed a liberal commercial
_lne,ali" )$
be. 0( 0
other nations, but they were now . 14#
Safeti te.
to the truth that there was no 0;14 Atid
except in the adoption of such till' Oro ?I
had endeavoured to describe. If el ',010(44,
to the effect which the present system had try, „ I al
exchange between the Brazils and this coon king
connected with the subject must see that, Isnoolase/
on one side, and returning empty on the otbenthe 10 thAo,
judicial effect on the rate of exchange between 0004
But notwithstanding the disadvantages undeer eod errs A
try laboured, the cheapness of their goirltheitycor
genre, and, above all, the high character evnle,oloTlll
had in foreign countries, would enable theme it
compete with others more favourably sitoateenee, iodic
pressed on by foreign rivals, by America, Fr''"ecersliip 4
and Germany.-( Hear, hear.) He had at, Ob! Of i!,.
returns published by the French Geverolneant salthartes 4,
read to the House. They would show Or eottal!feteca
merce had not increased, the Frene° r.it rfay:ii
the Brazils had been growing in a ites irelnitaro
He found that in the year 1837 the ear of 1$ ui
Brazil were, in round numbers, twelve million, tesees'esiSere
1840 they had grown to sixteen millions °`e aereopyijor
the last year to which his returns applied, tiltaiije 4 00
to twenty millions of francs. Now, let the i; • the 8 j
statement with the diminished, or rat he the Slipll fit
state of our commerce with Brazil duringnarts jittii,
He would now read a s atement of the irerra-0101-ea tor
from the Brazils. In the year 1837, tbnY;thel boll
,i,i'
numbers to 6,000,001) of francs. la I,'/3.4i, 0,1,00,,
5,900,000 francs, but in the year ' at of '_, thrilis'a
to nearly 8,000,000 of francs, the am's% shorad,Ovlee
7,993,000 of francs. He mentioned this `isetor",oools
wished to support our merchants and Inane', otheratslil!,;(l
engaged in an honourable competition with Dire %Near)
the trade which they carried on with theleiwrold;ges_Atro9
ought to see that they dal nothing ol°,e4doot iptvo,lo,
manufacturers and merchants to greater either efor $OOO oo
at pri sent laboured under. There Iv" Would, 11,01:101
with this part of the subject, to which he,i to knee to al
address himself. He
wastead already state! „toe in er to)
fi azil'an titeld PAP
enormous duty that laced on -sr iie for v-,1
into this country for consumption• tartearnesteieree
returns, which he believed to be al 'es`' of" ; 09'0
taken great pains to make them se.-(Cr' „fit fle he 400
He had to return hi; thanks to the lit 0410beql 0
the President of the Beard of Trade, trcred slsehej Pie on
caved some very valuable returns. Heeobli'ioll sltles
assisted by returns which had lacien nrotienbed otsPits
of the new-papers, but snore rHe jot' 004,
newspaper calle.l the Economist• we reeeroottoar 00
stated to the House the terms ou .hiels ~,, 9tat°.,,,i4,
produce in this country. He would st,ieheensto!diree for "I
terms, compared with ours, on which ',en. trews to
in the Brazilian trade, carried en t.„„ pru"aeots_eo„
rate at which they received Bravo.: ,0040 ere se
sumption. The duty in England e..l'w 111410Po)0 i
per cwt. was ti3s. In France the duty vBri.e-4,oee a 0
was '2 s. bd. ; in Australia it was I3s_sl of, Oa' „log .
Zollverein, Germany, that great tir_lr. op itri el; for
with Brazil, the duty was 153.4 d. Pere"eich I/aleph
.0,
There was no country in the world vibe aenietbutire 00
than this country. He would nor,ewesletpefore 4010,A
accuracy of all those figures, but, on t°, tole/000s?
were correct. He had now endeavoured 00010
is
the present state of their commeron soattio appiet le,
Btazils. With respect to the eotrteeetete,eoll,olPOles
although not an increasing one at Issereed`f,iojoo 01 A
branch of thrir trade, as the Brazilsaili: one o,o4det hatrtiler
cotton goods to the amount of, at leab'; 00 "their "r raf:l
sterling; he thought there could .arero il,, ereriarl a
were bound to protect their manufael_tests 1.,00 "fie.
pursuits, and to promote their lower, sotriredeir gets
means. He would now come to them ud the Psi, eSIO/1
subject, he meant the future prospee:s, trade P4OOl et 001
country, and he should say that t.!81;7 tote
..1 or Pe
r,forei
at a great crisis. The treaty of I reoela 1 otit 10 i
and it would be for the Brazilians teo to eel it 0 plc
might choose with us, or to gof thill 'be to yi,
Sue!, being the existing state
ob,ufe_tiroo tjfiti
surprising that great anaie Yef this °ejo' idery Air
by the manufacturing interest
P' et
00,,e o,oliiterif
what course would be rd get aGoe_ jrneeliso4:o)
fore hoped that they "umajesYia tainff.o.e(j'elt,
upon the subject from her
_as enter on ,i,to 0
believed that in Brazil many pers' wit feel wast t°
views in matters of trade, and would towards verse d• ta
- 'le course e Eve1 10 tr
this country adopted a hostile a cours f oo° if
co go
themselves by following out
dbose to/
(Leti o
own interests as well as a that besrs b'e ilje
-not do 5° often '
hoped they would had o a gOO ho folli
attend to the doctrines lire free trade wAs WI V4o°' it
other side of the House--that I,ear, hear./010pesere 0,10
when there was reciprocity.-- tar
( trivet; °I she `boverlite it
would not attend to the doe , to
,he le 0005
doctrines which he regret= head of
....'ition 0.10 AI
by the Right lion. Barenet at
another RfielOirereestit9
that if a nation could not induce
e_era, to doe
.ir A
~
goods on reasonable terms, the bes4e nerefietl:ooe_Tt re
up its ports against that nation.rt 1°
would ever atl°Pt' to this glairoe;
he hoped the Brazilians
commercial relations by treaty renewed
whic% iiill'ag°lllo
Brazil. There were two sorts of treated t
.0 t
$t 6 0 i i
other, -eow of 0 oef glr
distinguished from each , , many•ngS het le iel
One was that which we liesiwitet
ee all thi _e, me . 0
the personal rights of merchants,c._lso._,riohad to:cods:we', oefoo
tion-a species of treaty which I' 1
: the WOTI:I. Ile,. 0010 Se 0°
country and every nation et with oteeeia., vs, 1,1 ir
to see introduced into our treatieesd
natio°, .siailesll eleafoie
called . thp clause of the faveba
treated nod knetiegaisti le
comingefrem this country would
council ; et s '1;01 r eti,ll
proaVeomingalfrom any other
laced on en _not sect 00
to See'ciiit relations with Brazil p
e_ the eron,eor 4to ,p,
Althoughohe ,should be glad touV_S by
the
of this Coientry with Brazil 'reg 1 "
art of tu illeit 13 tisgetl
another P only ell chi
had described, there was . The entre' the „l rte
he attached greater importance() _
f this ee' eing f sr vo 0° gi
" s 111 us
they could place the relations
was ~,, redo_oo
00
cepol
a safe and satisfactory footing, was I"
te° :here this
Brazilian commerce, so as tn eiri that,
ode 01,41.,)
terms.-(Hear, hear.) . If they .
hat the trod 0-
nsion but t . _ e
ties slightest apprehe
and butane...l/4
with Brazil would extend