The Sun.
London, England, 1821-02-24 00:00:00

CFI LJRCH LANDS

Sir T. LETHBRIDGE gave notice, that on Friday the 2d
of March, he would move for lease to bring in a Bill to cit-
able the holders of Church Lands to alienate the same.
NEGLECT,OF PUBLIC OFFICERS IN IRELAND;
Siral. NEWPORT complained that certain Remits, which
weeks ago had.been ordered, were not made from Ireland.—
The Right Honottrah4e Gentleman said, that the neglect of
those iu otlices in Ireland created the utmost inconve-
nience and obstruction. of the public .busine,“. ijr had „„
doubt but that the ,shaiurful -neglect of which he complained
was not the result of mere inattention, .but was dune to pre-
vent inquiry into public; abuses. llc wuold• now inure that
the Papers already ordered by the House from the Board of
Customs in Ireland, should he fainistred in
,oite week ; and,
in case the Returitwas not niarlOvithin that time-, he.woultt
most r:t..otredly More that ttte., Necrelatl-of the B,,,ird
tomi, Ireiand. should he called to the bar of the Holm,.

Mr. LUSHINGTON said, that there oul4 pussityle

• . 'excited. for the neglect ; the Papers required were simple, and
might he'etvaily turniched.-7-Tire motion was agreed too
• AGRICULTURAL DISTREsS.
.I.'S-EBRIGIIT presented a-Petition from c rtsiin thin
dreds iu Hertfordshire, complaining of the state of AgtiLni-
tur,l D;4tress.-.--Ordered to lie on the Table. • ,
'TIMBER. TRADE. •
. Mr. S. WORTLEY presented a Petition from Whitby, in
i:u;intyttfYink, on the shbject of the Timber Duties.
Mr. LUSHINGTON brought up a Return of the, Quan-
tity of Soft Soap and Tallow.
Mr. BE9.7MONT !It-Might up•a Report front a Committee,
and obtained.leave to bring in a Bill fur building a Gaol iu
Nottlitinthetland.
Mr. WESTERN brought in a Bill for building a new Gaol
in Essex.—lterid a first time, and ordered to he read a second
time on the V:d of March•.
FINING DEFENDANTS FOR CONTEMPT. •
Mr. DEN:atil.4 said he held in his hand a Peti-

tion of very great importance, and which,, as a,
peered to him; concerned the administration o
justice. The Petitioner, T. Davison, was at pre
sent a prisoner in the jail of Oakampton, under
a sentence of the Court of King's Bend), for the
Publication of a blasphemous libel ; and in his peti-
tion he complained of the conduct of the Learned
Judge (Mt. Justice Best), who tried him for
having interfered with his defence, by repeatedly
fining him. Be (Mr. Denman) regretted that
this Petition had been put into his hands, inas-
much as he had for many years been in the ha-
bits of friendship with that Learned Judge, and
occupied a very humble station in the Court
where that Learned Judge presided. Having,
been put into his hands, however, it was his duty
to present it. The Petitioner contended that
this was a new exertion of power on the part
of the Judge ; and, as a pgoof that it never had
been exercised before, he cited the cases of Sir
Walter Raleigh, Prym, and Col. Lilburne. He
(Mr. Denman) had sought in vain for any prece-
dent on this subject, but had found a case against
such a practice, even as recent as the time of
Lord Kenyon. Ile was ready to allow, that
Judges ought to hall! the power of enforcing de-
corum, and removing all obstructions to the due
administration of justice; but he should not
have the power of going any further; it was dis-
cretionary power, which ought to be looked at
with the greatest jealousy. The Petitioner here
said he was intimidated by the imposing these fines
from making his defence; and it wasno answer to

this to say, he spoke fluently afterward. The peti-
tioner himself could only knoW whether he had or
.had not been intimidated. The Learned Counsel

then proceeded to state the objections he had to a
Judge exerting this power; by which he might
punish a person charged with an offence, and af-
terwards acquitted, more severely than he would.
have been by his suffering a verdict of guilty to
go against him by default. In the latter case,
the judgment of the Court subsequently might be
to impose a fine of 501. and there the matter
would rest ; hut if a Judge was to possess this
discretionary power of fining a man, though
by a spirited defence he might get an ac- i

quittal, th© Judge, by imposing fines, might
lay so heavy a burden on him, as would

prove his utter ruin. The Learned Counsel
proceeded to comment on the facts of this case,
which have already been fully and repeatedly
before the public, and said all he should now do
would be, to propose that the Petition should be
laid on the table, and be printed ; and he should
afterwards move, that it be referred to a Com-
mittee to consider its contents ; and on their
Report, an Address might probably be adopted,
praying for mitigation of punishment. He wished
it now to b€ distinctly understood, that he made
no charge whatever against Mr. Justice Best,
who, he had no doubt, acted on what he con-
sidered the law and justice of the case. He
concluded by moving that the Petition should
be brought up. •
Mr. HOILMOUSE seconded the motion for bring-
ing up the Petition. He bad sought, with all
•the industry he was master of, into the prece-
dents of contempt, but could find no one instance
in which contempt of Court was to be punished
on a defendant making his defence by fine im-
posed instanter. The imposing fines thus was an,,
act done on the mere dictum of the Judge, which,
it was well known, was very different from a
solemn decision. The non. 11/eMber commented
on the 'arbitrary character of such a fine. ' The
celebrated Jeffries, who fined Mr. Penn -10 marks
for not pulling off his, hat—who imprisoned a
whole Jury for offending him—neverpresumed,
or ever hinted un intention, to commit a de-
fendant for making 11;s defence ; and what was
considered as too much even for Jeffries to
do, would surely never be tolerated in a
Jucl of modern times. The Honourable Mem-
ber then adverted to the case of Bastwick, who,
he said, attacked the independence of the
Court, and called the Bishops Infidels. This
case, thoefore, ran on all,fours with the present,
and yet the idea of fining .the defendant never ►
Occurred. If Judges were to possess this power,
Mr. Fox's Libel Mil would become a. dead let-

ter, a-s a defendant would be so crippled, that be
would never be able to make a defence. The
Honourable Member also adverted to the con-
duct of Lord Ellenborough, in the case of D. I.
Eaton. That Noble -an'd Learned Judge de-
clined to stop the defendant; but protected him
in making his defeuCe: Ile conchided by deny-
ing that a Judge had a right to exert the power
he had done. .
•
The ATTonNE-Y-GhNtaar. said, the Hon. and
Learned Gentleman, who brought forward this
Petition, had gone no further than, to expreets a
doubt of the po.,ver of the ;COO( ;
.but the lion.
Gentleman, who had just sat ,down, denied their
power altogether, and said, it was only the dic-
tum of a Judg.e,- With Out a solemn ,decision.
Did the Honourable Gentleman forget:that.tl*
case had undergone solemn argument , before tho
COurt, and that all the Learned Judges had de-
livered an opinion in favour of .the 'presiding
Judge's power ? -What,Was asked. by the•peti-
lioner, thereforeovAs", that the Muse would over-
turn this decision of the Court of .King's. liens h.
Before
.the House would do this, he would read'
partS'of this abOminable and atrocious. libel.,
Loud J. ItusS ELL (to order) submitted that the
Hon: Member- :had no right to read...tit4 printed
dOctunent "as part of a speech.

,The SFEAKER said certainly not, without per-
mission of the Rouse.
The ATTORNEY G ENEitAL said, he. Could state

rom memory.

, •
The SPEAKER said,the forms of the House
Must not be thus evaded;
Mr; LltitisiAL• thought the 'Muse Would permit
the Attorney-General to use hiS eWit .diScretiorai
as td what lie Wmildor would no( read:
Tile ATTOItNEV-GENERAL WOUISI not trespass
on the indulgence Of the House he then read bi
Passage from the publication for which ihvisori
was tried; nf a most blasphemous description.--
The defendant, in his defence, was repeating all
these blasPhernies, when he was stoppedtby the
Learned Judge, who cautioned him to abstain
front so dding, as •he Should be obligeitto fir.:,
him;. as he-could not sit in his plaCe as a- Judge,
and permit 6ticli reiterated blasphearieslci be ut-
tered ; -to this the defendant, in an- insulting
tone, stretching out his baud in threatening
manner to the Learned Judge, said, " then hertl"
is the hey_ of my dungeon ; gibe it to you ;"
and again repeated tie prohibited passage, on
which the Learned JUdge fined hire '2ol. The
Learned Attorney General- then proceeded to
defend the conduct of Mr. Justice Best, and oh.:
served, that' the conduct of that Learned Judge
had' been sanctioned by the apprObation of the
COUrt of King's Bench, and the House of Com-
mons was not yet a Court of Appeal againA the
decisions Of that Court:
Mr. GREEVEi said, this was a new practiCei
adopted by Mr: Justice Best, whose decisions
were not infallible: He considered Mr. Justite
Best as ati intemperate Judge: He sheaved it by
his conduct at 'Leicester—he strewed. it oil the
present occasion. He was in his (Mr. C.'s) opi-
nion, an intemperate Judge, and" a political
Judge; and in his opinion the 61)1' politital
Judge on the Bench at present. He would call
the attention of the House to the conduct of frlis
Justice Best when a Member of the House.
Mr. Serjeant ONSLOW rose to order. Hecottld
not sit silent and hear such an imputation throWn
out on an Honourable- and Learned Judge--- a
Mau whom he was proud to call his friend, arid
had done so for 30 years. He would ask; was
the lion. Member in order when he called thkt
Learned Judge intemperate and politieelf 'and
adverted to the conduct of the Learned Judge
when formerly a Member of the Hortse? lle
would ask was this orderly ?—(Hear,.hear !)
The SPEAKER said, the Hon. Member was cer-
tainly out of order,

Mr.
CREEVEY resumed, and repeated his opi-
nion, that the eonduct of the Judge on this occa-
sion, was illegal and unconstitutional.
The SOLICITOR-GENERAL commented in
strong terms on the language used by ,the• Hon.
Member who had just sat down ' • on what grounds,.
he would ask, had the Hon. Member imputed to
the Learned Judge, that he acted on motives of
resentment ?—(No, no, from Mr. Creevey.)--
lie was glad the lion. Member had retracted.
Mr. CREEVEY.-1 retract nothing; I neN E:r
said the words.—(Hear, hear !)
'The SDLICITOR..GENERAL.-1 assert that

Hon. Gentleman has retracted.—(llear hear !)---
I say he has retracted.--(No, no ! Order, ordt:r!
Chair, chair !)

Mr. M. A. TAarLoa---(tO order)—considered
that he was called on to say his Hon. Friend had.
not imputed resentment to the Learned Judge.
The SPEAKER said a few words on the `sithject
of regularity in debate.
Mr. SMITH, of Cambridge, said, it was not or-
derly for any Member to assert another bad used
Certain words in debate, if they were denied, un-
less the words were taken down at the instant..
The SOLICITOR GENERAL had not asserted that
the words had been used; he had only said. they
were retracted.—(Bear, heart)"--The Hon, Mem-
ber _had accused Mr. Justice Best of being an in-
temperate and Political Judge, and had fixed on
two cases in which his conduct had received the
sanction of the rest of the Court of King's. Bench.
He would ask, whollien was intemperate in ;mak-
ing such a charge ; Was not the- intemperance:oa
the part of the 4on. Member ?---(llear !)--,The
Learned Member then proceeded to defend the.
conduct of the Judge in having fineiltheTkti.
tioner, who had by his insolent conduct tlLlwri
the censure of the Court. He was bound to
-adopt the•course he had done,, in defence of th
dignity of the Court.
Mr. LOCKHART defended the conduct of the
Learned Judge, -and said no doubt ..could exist
of the right of the Judge to fine for-a
-contempt.
Mr, SCARTETT had no doubt tlat a-Judgn had
a right to fine for contempt. As to the nature of
the particular case, he could not speaks :0 he
had not been present. Nodoubt could exist that
a considerable degree of latitude should be al-
lowed to a defendant, but that principle must hare
limits. The mode of fining was the. Moro lenient
of the two. But there was a difference betwixt an.
actual and a constructive contempt .of Courts.
He should speak at all times with much respect
of the Judges, but it was a gnestion of much
importance, if a Court could pnnish for the pub-
lication of their proceedings. If that was a mat-
ter of contempt, where would the principle of
contempt end ? If a ~Judge could punish for the
publicatiOn of their , proceedings, they might
punish a Man for reading an account of -them.
The Courts of Chancery possessed. the power of
punishing by attachment ; but there was a ,widci-
difference betwixt the Courts of Westminster
and the Quarter Sessions..

Lord CASTLEItEAGII rose to order, .and Arai d
submit to the lion. and Learned Gentlethafi that
Eie was out of order.

Mr. ScAnr.zvr Said, if he wqs disorderly, he
thanked the Noble. Lord for the iuterruptiopi
Sir F. .131,4 E said, his .maxim. was ncrlumtus
loges .4ngliti 771:21t,ai , and hiiiii..4l:the if (tu troiulet
make- alto w an ce, for
-when expreiSedni eonititutiOnat langtVtige• , He
would not' ote for the reception
Cotni.-E.)tAy thought .there -Ibould be, hnt
one: Hephnon as to the, stature of. the .Petition,
arnOtig those Mho understood the law . the
'e:Ountiy.'; ,
'hon. Member.,...wa .replying to
S'eatretf w iien 'he' was i•alleallo order:hy,Mr.
• • "- •
J ol'd
cAsit.EntAon th.ought:the Petition cnnld
nbt .1k e'riVAlained, - a fte-r
;the-unanimous deekion
of the Court of King's Bench. He ..thoug-10 the
House of Commons would not permit the 'eti..
tioner to add .to his otreace by libeiliaga...ludge.
Unless the House was to became in all cases a

Court or" Appeal, the Petition should be regarded
,_;as_ a grog's abuth of the rights -of petitiiining:
More than half of the time of the.llou,,e had been
occupie'd listening to appeals which could nut
be receiNeth

Mr. J. P; G RANT must protest against the doc-

trineof the Noble Lord, :tnd wasproceeding to
, reply :to whr.t he conceiVed to have been said by
tiCe„.lslobbi..-Lord, whe►► - •.
- Lord CASTLEREAGH said, that he had never
objected to the right of.petitioniag..
Mr, GRAN'. resumed, and thought the petition
should he .received. .

, Lora CASTLEHE“AI thought the House should
, nark its sense of the petition by not having it
brought up,„ . .
BIUGILT,WaS astonished that the question
shgatd Le .treated as a Mere question of
Judges had done wrong, and he denied
tt;at.-Mr. Justice Best, though he might justify
•Limself by argument, could do so by vecedent.
• Thii;.w.s the first time that a Judge had imposed:
thiee fines,: and then annulled -them The doC-
trine :of contempt, if thus acted upon, would lead
tb-the 'most . terrible, oppression. There should
be a-Court of Appeal to correct the
.hasty con-
ciuct Judges:. The 'grievance bad lately.
grown op, ,and was increasing. Ile called on:the
house to have the Petition read and printed, and
to time a CoMmittee appointed to consider it.
ItuTcnlNsos was disposed to believe
tha:: helhad misenderstood the Noble Lord, who,
he Leiieved, had not read the Petition himself, and
on the- opinions of others. Was it to be
en:lured,. that the Minister of the Crown, should
say it,was enough
_to-. have
.the opinions of his
Learned Friends, and not hear himself a
'Petition from . one of the People. Time plain
laqguage was, that after the measures of the
Noble. Lord ,had goaded the people to- mad-
ttess, lie not .listen to thei-r complaints.—
ile.would be happy to. Lind that he had miscon-

ceived the Noble Lord.
Lord C.ItLEREAGII said he had been- miscon-
•!ceived in •a most 'extraordinary manner. Upon
the. maxim .of, the Member, all Petitions
ai hatsoeyer were to be received, and the House
would have, no. discretion. .
Lord ALTHORP 3,:0u1fl have that confidence in
a ,iVember of Parliament, that he would not pre-
sent an_improper Petition. He hoped, the Noble
Lard would not object to. the Petition being
brooglit up.
7,;',I*.r.WYNNE said, that a Petition had been put
into Ids hands by a Gentleman, complaining of
a judgment of the King's
.Bench, and he had re-
fused ,to present it, as there was a constitutional
rTruedy, by appeal to the House of Lords. In
.c.a.,:ies like the present, it was difficult to draw a
line: .but if the Judge. had done wron,g, the
proper mode was by impeachment, or address to
the Crown.
-.51r. BERNAL thought,the matter should not be
rested on the mere question of right. He would
not: encourage disrespectful language ; but he
thoug.htithe Petition should be read.:
Mr. 111:rtitssoN stated,the usual .practice to,be
for the Member himself to state the subject of the
-Petition. The Petition- stated, that after the
Judge had obtained his end, to prevent the, .Pe-
titioner froth being heard, he. had remitted. the
.lines. Such a slatement he conceived to be highly
libellous. An injury would be. done to the right
of petitioning by receiving stich,a Petition.
.Sir_ fit. FERGusON should vote, that the Peti-
tiO2 :be .read. Whether it‘ should be laid on the
Table, was another consideration. The Noble.
Lord had, for the first time, told the House of
Xommons to reject a Petition unheard and un-
read, - -• ' • -! • •

.Mr. G. BANK-ES would oppose the Petition,, as
the lionatiember (Mr. D.) had no measure to
propose ,upou it. Ike regretted that the name of
an .gou. Judge had been brought before the
House ixt the way, it had._ He understood the
Isiolde Lord to object to the Pef.ition, because he

. knew the contents of. it. • I
CURVY:EN had, long.sat in that House, but I-;
....had beard language used that night that he
• had never heard before. He was •happy that
-the Petition had been preseated, as he was
now satklied that the, Learned Judge had acted
right. Should the Petition be read, he believed
that he Should oppose its lying on the table, on
ACCOIIOI of what Vail been _said. of the Learned
. Judge. Ile knew there %YRS a point when resist-
. noce was lawful, though he could not say where
• that point lay ;_,and to, reject the Petition would
be to drive the People to that, course.
Mr, Lgxo contended that the Noble Lord
, .(Casltlereagli) had..nev.er wished to narrow the
ri ht of petitioning, however ccervenient it might
.- be for,Gentlemen opposite to make such a charge ;
though the Member, for Cumberland approved
:• ,tite-ecanductof the Judge, still lie, thought the
Petition that imputed gross misconduct to him
Atould be brought up.• If all the'Petitions
criminately were to be brought up, then the rules.'
• of the House should be altered.
P.. GRANT and Mr. Low explained.
Sir J NxweQAT•observed, that the first clues-
was,„ that the, Iletition should be read ; and
• if the Menibey who..presented.the Petition, stated
. ihiat.it was
_conveyed hi respectful terms, the
usual practice, was, that the
_Petition should bo
.brought up., In times of public distress the right
otpetitioning 'should least. of all be restricted.
- /101.1-lust. protest against the doctrine that the
„, Paition,should not be received, because no ul-
terior measure was in contemplation.
r :Mr.. VANSITTART said, that in all Petitions,
.. except those of• Elections, a. question was put•
• • whether they should be received ; and the ground
• ~of libel had, atways been a valid objection. In
,• the present case, the Member who Presented the
• Petition, admitted there was a libel in it.
,• ThotmAN had, not said that..the Petition
contained a. libel,. bat only a charge,; and had
a 490 said, from his knowledge of the Learned
Judzeibe rqgretted the charge had been made.
no had mentioned two spe.citic measures on the
, ,anklect of the. Petition, by referringa either to
th- Crand Conimittee of Justice, or to a Select
Corntuittee.' Jle had great doubts if a contempt
lutd beets committed, from the language applied
tfo !he Bar, . , _
• - Mr. could assure the Learned G en-
tleman; that if he presented. petitions front all

that complained of. the eoutluct of Judges, he,
would 'be .diverted from 'a more. lucrative employ-
ment. " Corruption only on the part of the Judge
cot:ld. justify' the reception of such a petition.

Th.e. 'louse then divided—
Fur the Motion
Against it
Majority arainst the reception of the Petition
The African Company's °dicers' Allowance Bill went
through a. Committee of the whole Honse.
The-Kura Scotia Trade Biil was read a second time, and
,rde,ed in he entnmil led oil Monday.
Sir 30N` Nl' WPORT,..inallosion to a lots which had been
sustained by the Treasury, in coo•eq,omee of the issue ofsno
*nil for the paytnimt of Ceiloitial Bills before they arrived in
tLi, country, inquired.whether, regulations had heun adopted
by the Chaticelior.of the E)cchequer to prevent the recur.euce
of a sisuilat accident. • ~ .
The CIIANCELLOR of the F.:Xi:IP:Q(7ER replied, lha•
as it was the regular practice- of the Treasury not to issue
money fir the payment of. these Bills till they had been m -
tually presented foracceptance, 'it was impossible that any
accident of the:nature alluded to by the lion. Baronet cow..
Join happen. .•

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These things were perfectly in contradiction to
the Treaty which placed these islands under our protection•
We-had been told that these -Islands would-be no expense to
its; but so expensive were the Staff of the Army and ,M ilitia,
that they ought to be reduced. The Chief of the Senate had
a salary of 4000 dollars ; now he believed he got SOO dui
lars.—He complanted of their expending, as he understood.,
80,000 dollars in building a useless Palace for the Lord High
Commissioner,when there was .a Palace before, and when I hey
could Hot pay the esp-nee of their Military establishment. re
.also complained that the Order of the lonian Islands had been
bestowed by the LordllighCommissioner, not on the first eiti-, •
zeosrif I,iand., tint on those who had been subservient
to this Lord High Commissioner, The expellees of the jewels '
of this Order, he was inforined, would be. 40,000 dollars
undct stood that the 'moot:use income of the Colony was
±rvvallowcii up by salaries give,' to Magistrates, who.then be-
tainr creature; nf the Lord Mei Commissioner, while for•
merle theSe offices used to be held by the most respectable alt
the inhabitants, without any expense but what they were at
the npelves. These thiogs, he was informed. were of such
[sato, e that the people vete quite disgusted with our Govern- •
merit. They iviglit to. have an actouot of all these extrava-
gant services.; they might met to vote one single shilling fin
t he
.support of take Military Estaliiishmesit of their Islands.
lie should be niost.happy to retract all hr had said, it the
accounts to be lest before the House shoalil be found to
•plovettheni to he.errionroos. Ile then mined for an Abstract
of the Revenue of the Joni-•n Islands for 1817. 18, aml 19;
and for similar Accounts of the Expenditure fa. the same
period. -
Nir..GOULIII3IIN lanfente4l that ihe good old course hail
not been por•ue'd in this instaoce ; which was to move for
Papers, and then when produced, to comment on them ; but
the Hon. Gentleman had made some connuerits on Papers'
which !night falsify his own observations, when producedond
which were nit to he refused to him. 'rite lion. Gentleman
had disclaimed any. intention of imputing any thing personal
to Sir T. Maitland: butt nothing could be more 1, t sonal than
to charge an Offict4 with consulting his titivate interest rather
than that of the set vice on which he was sent. He admitted
theist there Witr, a great increase of revenue in these Islands
since they were under the print ction of Russia; and a nomi-
nal increase of expeniliture.—'riiis increase was tot caused by
any new taxes; lint by care on the part of the governing ho-
rities to prevent the taxes from bring diverted into the pockets
of private indivi.duals. . Formerly the taxes. were collected
Iry the Noblemen, who made. large fortunes, by waking
good the taxes to the Government, and exacting much more
nut of the people. It was far better to have, as in this
country, responsible Officers, under fixed salaries The
Church property load been restored, by taking it from those
who uojustly withheld it. - This was done to give relief to a.
stareine Clergy; rind to give moral and religious instruction
tollte People. Rut the insurrection said to hare been raised
on this account, was excited on a pretence that the Militia
raised were to be sent to-die in the West Indies. If Officers
tinder the .Lord -High Commissioner did hold several situa-
tions, as he kne .v some dul, yet they were held without any
additional salarie.,to those which they riceive tor their
stogie supeCor si nations. This was the un f •rm ',vac
lice of Sir 'l'. Maitland. -I%l:iclt boil heen said about soi
a Palace for the Lord Iligh Commissiontr.—The tact wa.., that
.the Sertat, decreed a separate residence to him ; fur Ihe only
palace Jae h .d. occupied since his residence in that island was
a bed room ; and a Sitting room for his private Secretary;
his dining.roem bi ink ti.e place' of meeting for Gie Senate ;
and his drawing
,rouni the place of sit:in4 of the Legislative As-
sembly. When these Bodies Were assembled, he Was confined
to his bed roof and his sittiug room ; and when they wished
him to open the Legislature by a splendid Procession, how dis
appointed were they when they found that he walked from his
bet-room to theSeaate. Some of Sir T. Maitland's visitor.
tell through• the dour of the 'loose in which hr lived, Sir T.
Nlairand had acted in a most exemplary mannerist his office,
mid that, perhaps, was thetemin why pe• son+, who had Iteen
disapponord in obtaining situations in those Islaudi, honked
with a jaundiced eye on alit he had done. These hail
defrayrd :he 4;1, pell, es pf their barrack and whet departments.
and nothing remained.for this Govt.' nment to make up but a
part of the militiurs expellees. Even in the allowance to the
soldiers in these Ish tads, Sir T. Molt latid had elected a saving
of 50,0001. iVith respect to the motions of the Hun. Gentle-
man, lie shinill assent to some, but not to others: for con
sideritig that euttutry as a flee and independent State, these
were some of those motions which Limit! nut be exacted from

them.
Col. DAVIES said, the Constitutional Chaster of the lonian
-Islands, pared unammously i.n Isl7olecreed, that, generally
spralii;:g, the vs hole of the toil:vary estahlisbnitit of flop,.
Islands wits to lie iiinititai •eil at their expellee. It was
unwise, in his i pii i in, t ki ep up a set of stirrOdiary Nlagis
ti ate• ; and he contended hat the Legislative Bodies of these
Islands wile completely under the authority of the Lord
High Commi‘sioner.
Lord CASTLEREAGH did not regret the facility, if not
the c:eiltility, isith.,which the lion Nlerviict ii.ot
statements which had hem so successfully' relined. The
Noble Lord observed, he hail no wish to disconrage the lion.
Member in his laudable a ideasouts to promote public econo
my, hut he would advise him in future to obtain, his in-
formation before lie opened his case. He did not say this
out of :Any fecliog of alarm, fur he bad no fear that his
Honourable. -Friends shattlil ever he tahen by surprise :
there was to:, much experience and activity in the persons
at pi esent empkyed iii the public service, for-him to fear any
slick surprise, and thery fore it was fur the sake Of the Hon'.
.'Blltother himself, t hat. he would advise hint to adopt the el I
l'arliathentary ciintse, namely, to move for papers, and obtain
his infernal ion_hefOre he brought forward his motions. The
Noble Lard defended ere conduct of Sir T.'Mait Wad, than
whom he .said,thery %sits not a more honourable (dicer
the service, or a num'existing who was a tome determined
enelny to jobs.
BElt.N.A.h.defentled his Hon. Friend in the course. he
had taLen,, and supported the motion.
Sir 11. 1)3l1.11-'.1,l. also supported the tnotitin, and the man-
tier in which it hail.Siectriiiought forward..
. Lora cASTLF,REAtiiI rapiaiiivd. He had. only advised
the Ifon.Geot. to put the Flue in i ossession of the necessary
documents aiid mforinatiOsi before he called oti the Mouse to
di-cuss the suttjeet..•
111 r. 11.,01E r. plied, and denied that he had trken Ilie
Meusesurpt:ze, as lie stated, three nights agO,":What.his
motion stotild he.
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Tice roar ion upc iliac pn and agreed to without, a .cit
The C;V:NEII Al, Ifirn moved for leave to
bring a Bill Aim. .faciltatt; Itit disratch of Business in the
Court of "1:1:e object of.t lie Bill was to enable
a Jodge to sitoot of Term,' to dispose of violin!: Motions;
oWc.it nt present could only be heard 10 Teinr. Leave was
given.
. Gli,BEßT•gitve notice, be.would ou Tuesday more
for knee to Win:: in. a Bill to regnlate
oear, London.—:Adjourned at lIVELVE"O'LLOC;K to
lay.
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