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ing at the Corn Exchange the day after, the meeting at
Mullaghmast ' • it was on the 2d October ;_ I got admis-
sion there by having stated that I intended to report; on
the following day I obtained a ticket of admission from
Mr. Ray; the words upon the ticket were, " Admit the
bearer, Mr. Hughes, of the press, to all our meetings ;
at the time I got that ticket I said, " You had better
mention that I am the reporter for the Government ;"
Mr. Hay said, "No, that will be sufficient, it will admit
you ; the Conciliation Hall will be open soon, and we
will have a different place then for yourself ;" it was un-
derstood at Mullagbmast that I was - the Government
reporter. At the conclusion of Mr. O'Connell's opening
speech there he stated that he understood there was a
gentleman there on behalf of the Government. I then
got up, and said that I attended on behalf of the Go-
vernment to report the proceedings. Mr. O'Connell then
said that on former occasions, when Government report-
ers had attended, he had afforded them every facility,
and furnished them with documents, and that he
should be happy to afford the same accommodation to
me. I believe it was also through Mr. O'Connell that I
received a ticket for the banquet. (Witness here iden-
tified Mr. Barrett as one of the persons who attended

the meeting at Mullaghmast.)
On the 2d of October, did you take notes'of what oc-
curred at a meeting of the Association at the Corn Ex-
change?-4 was not there at the'connriencement
A Juryman here withdrevy. The Solicitor-General
not having observed it, was apprised of the fact by the
Court, and the examination was. suspended.
• The Foreman of the Jury complained that they had
difficulty in hearing.
The SOLICITOR-GENERAL desired the witness to speak
lender.
Mr. O'Connell also begged the Foreman of the Jury
to desire the witness to speak louder in giiing his evi-
dence, as he occasionally sunk his voice.
Mr. FORD said it would be well ifthe'CoUrt would re- •
Move that parcel of barristers from the Court who were
:getting phthisical and coughing.--(Laugliter.)
.The-Sommon-GENERAL then resumed the examina-
tion;,desiring the witness to speak as load .as he could
and slimly. Have you got.the notes of the meeting at
the Corn Exchange of the 2d October have. •
DD you find- there a. speech of. Mr. O'Connell, deli-
ilered'after a -letter from Lithetick had been read- by Mr.
Ray" 72-. I do. 'Witness then' referred' to his notes and'
read the speech of Mr. O'Connell on, that occasion, 'who
referredto a paragraph that had dppe4ed in the papers,
beaded !‘ Military- organisation let Clontair," and, stated
that though a good . quiz it . never, ought to have been-
printed •, he hoped the Government would take no-notice
of it, and pointed out that sonic arrangements as to.the
horsemen and carriages was absolutely necessary to pre-
bent confusion among'so great a number. •
Now turn to the notes of what occurred at the meet-
ing of the 3d October;' but before-We go to that,
state which of the traver§ers were present at the meeting
Of the 2cl'of October ?—Arr. O'Connell and ,Mr. Ray.
Was-Mr. Steele there ?—lie ivaB.
Which of them were present at :the meeting' of the
3d ?—Mr. O'Connell,, Mr.. J.: O'Connell, Mr,l-)uffY,
Mr. Ray, Mr. Steele, the Rev. Mr. Tierney-, and br,

Gray.
Do you see Mr. Duffy in Court ?—I do.
And the Rev. -Mr. Tierney ?—I do. •
• Look at page 13 of your notes, and state whether a
letter was read from Loughrea ?—I must state that all
the letters and papers-in my notes are- not copies of the
originals. I had, applied t 6 Mr. Ray for them, but had
been told that I could not ohtain them. staving also been
told that the copies printed in the papers were authentic,
'I copied them. .
Who told you they were authentic .the first in-
stance I applied to Mr. Ray at Mullaghmast; for copies
of the resolutions passed-at the meeting, and. when I saw.
Dr. Gray he appeared to have 'some reluctance to give.
them.
Mr. FITZGIBBO2-1
.beg your. pardon, please state-
•
exactly what Dr.' Gray Said.' •
The CHIEF JUSTICE—When did you see him first ?
Several days afterwards.
Mr. FITZGIBBON—State exactly, what Dr. Gray said ?
—Dr. Gray told me he could not find the resolutions that
were passed at the Mullaghmast meeting. I did not
procure them subsequently. Dr. Gray told me expressly
that he could not find them. • I told him I had applied
to him, because Mr. O'Connell had promiied them to
me, and that I wished him to communicate with Mr.
O'Connell on the subject. He replied he would take
an hour to consider, and that he would write me a
note at the end of that period stating what his deter-
mination was. I said, " Oh, no ; do not write to me,
you bad better see Mr. O'Connell." I was then leaving
the room, and as we were going out of the door by
the staircase of the. Corn Exchange, O'Connell was
coming up, and I said, " Oh, here is Mr. O'Connell;
now, Dr. Gray, will you speak to him ?" Mr. O'Con-
nell addressed mc, and said, " Well, Mr. Hughes, are
you here for documents ?" or something to that effect.
',think that that is nearly what he said. I answered
that I had applied to Dr. Gray for the resolutions
paasen at Mullaghmast, and that he had told me he could
not find them.
Mi. FITZGIBBON—You are !quite certain that Dr.
Gray used those words ? If you are,not certain do not
swear it ? Witness—Yes, I am pretty certain he said
that. -
SOLICITOR-GENERAL—GO on and state what next
happened.
Witness—Dr. Gray 'then- took Mr. O'Connell aside
into a room; shortly' afterwards Dr. Gray came out. On
his coming out I asked him, " May I have the documents,
or do you,refuse them?"' He replied, " Oh, no, I do not
refuse them ; I do not mean any disrespect to you, but
I can't lay my hands on them." And he further
added, "I do not think I -should waste my time in
wiating these':oht: for Sir Robert Peel." I replied that
"Iliad 'nothing to do with Sir Robert Peel, and that I
wai applying tci him in my 'character as a short-hand ,
writer 'for those documents." He thereupon replied,
" Oh, ythi may take • them from the newspapers ' • they
are authentic." On the following day I was in the Corn-
Exchange, and -Mr, O'Connell was there. I addressed
him, and told him that Dr. Gray had refused to give me
copiesof the resolutions, but told me they were authentic
as, they, appeared it the newspapers. He replied, " Yes,
yes, they are authentic." A letter from Loughrea was
read-at the meeting of the Association on the 3d of Oct.
I got this copy of a letter from Mr. Ray ; it is dated
Loughrea, Oct. 2, 1844, and was read at the meeting of
the Association on the 3d of Oct. (The witness then
read the letter, which inclosed 141. as the subscription
of 14 of the Town Commissioners, and was signed Patrick
Skerrett, chairman, Wm. M'Carthy, secretary.) It was
Mr. O'Connell read that letter.
SOLICITOR-GENERAL--Did Mr. O'Connell make any
observation immediately after reading the concluding
passage " that they were determined to remove two or
three recusants from the body with all possible dispatch,
when the opportunity offered ? Witness—Yes ; he said
they were right to turn out those who would not become
'Repealers.
Judge PERRIN—Is that letter addressed to any one ?
7—Mr: O'Connell said " I received this letter this
morning."
Judge PERRIN—Is it addressed to anybody ? Wit-
ness (after again looking at the document)--This is a
copy, and there is no address on it to any.—(The wit.
ness,then went on. reading Mr. O'Connell's observations
in moving that the letter be inserted on the minutes, and
the thanks of the Association conveyed to the writer,
and the Other worthy gentlemen named therein.) Mr.
'Steele Was • present at that meeting. He said he rose
to' second- the motion of the Liberator ; that he had ex-
'pressed some very strong opinions on the Louglirea
meeting ;' that" he considered that meeting more lin-
:portant thin that at Mullaghmast, where
"Behemoth, biggest born of earth, .
Upheaved its vastness."
(Seniation thiciughout the Court.) Dr. Gray was at that
meeting ; he read the names of certain persons, whom he
moved should he appointed ; arbitrators ; Mr. O'Connell
seconded the. motion, and it was carried. , Dr. Gray then
said he had a short' report trent the:A.rbitration Cora-
mittee -to present, and he had to move that some gentle-
men be appointed arbitrators, the first of whom was a
gentleman who was recommended by no less than eight
millions of people. He was known by the name of the
Liberator, and he moved- that -he be appointed arbitrator
for the city of Dublin, which motion was seconded and
carried, and Mr. O'Connell said that lie accepted the'
office, and would devote one day in the week to the-duties'
of it, with the other gentlemen who were named. , Dr.
Gray,*at that meeting, read a list of arbitrators that were
admitted, many of whom were gentlemen who had been
dismissed from the commission of the peace.
SOLICITOR-GENERAL--Did Mr. O'Connell make any
observations respecting that document ? Witnesslle
said " I hope I shall live to see the day when the hall of
the Four Courts will be very empty."—(Laughter.)
SOLICITOR-GENERAL—Look to passage 64, and see
if any observations were made by Doctor Gray. Wit-
ness—Atter •he had moved the admission of Mr.
Balfe -Is an arbitrator, and the motion was carried; he
said, " I wish to state, before we •leave the question of
arbitration; that all the necessary documents have been
forwarded to the districts where the arbitrators have
been appointed. I recommend the parties not to open
the Courts until those documents be for Warded."
SOLICITOR- GENERAL—Which other of the traversers
was at that meeting? Witness—The Rev. Mr. Tierney
was present. In page 97 I find the speech of Mr. Tierney,
delivered at that meeting of the Association. (Witness
then went on to read the Rev. Gentleman's speech.) Mr.
O'Connell spoke after the delivery'of the speech by the
Rev. 14.1i..Tierney: 'and said the Rev. Gentleman • de-
served the thanks of the Association,' and that he (Mr.
O'Connell heard .the speech- with pride and pleasure.
The motion was 'carried by acclamation,, and Mr. Q'Con.
nell_moved- that .the Association should
.adjourn to the
next Monday, when „he.(Mr. O'Connell)ssaid
_he would
revive a resolution of which he had formerly given
notice, and that it was useless to expect any redress
from the English Parliament. He .(Mr.
_O'Connell)
said he-hoped the members of the Corporation who
attended in their robes at Mullaghmast would meet
him (Mr. O'Connell) on the following Sunday
at Clo'ntarf, but at all events he (Mr. O'Connell) would
be there in his robes. I attended a meeting on Monday,
the 9th of October, which was held at Calvert's Theatre,
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Witness, in continuation—l see page 43, 44, and 47 of
my notes, and see the resolutions. He proceeded to read
them, -but was interupted by
Mr. HATCHELL, who said, let him read the report of
the entire meeting, if you please.
SOLICITOR-GENEnAL—That would occupy a consider-
able portion.of the day, and at present I will only read
the resolutions passed at the meeting.
Mr. HOLMES—You have a right to any one particular
speech, but not to the entire. . .
Mr. HATCHELL—I beg your pardon. I have a right
to.it all.
The witness then, in accordance with the direction's
of thu solicitor-General, read the speech delivered on