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. ter& .• .Whenever MieislersWere.to be remoVed, and
:ion, or statuttsewhieh posh ibited the Use of the Means
adopted the Noble Earle There was no expresalaw moreespeeially the.Administratioo of-aohich he .was
in the Case: The practice of the Cons:lnitials was the a Member, the . Noble Lord conceived.. that -such
law of'the Constitution.. This prineic was to be transcendent talents as that. f himael,fend his party,
traced 'through the whole of our constitutional tits- . could never have,,beere questioned, -and must have
fory'S • The •conduct ()I Lord Cliathain Was
.3 breach been fostered with the most zealous-care to this dev,,
of our pia:dice' Constitution e and, if stick breaches • . but-for the unfortunateend Immovable interference
were not repaired in time, we should.not-long enjoy --of s'ecres. itifluence ! Stich' was the foundation of his •
the beaefits-that we derived frionsie--eonr Cc' Mafia argeinente - When, however, 'it •wasSknown that a
tution had provided that • the 'l47y-el ear should not Minister, oleo chosen Shy the Sovereigns notaelyated
be poisoned, secretly. pbiseped, by • indirect tip- by pareiaiity, but called ,to that situation -by the
proaches to ite , Some Hon. Gentkonen contended, junited Voice of the Empire, had -ehjoyed the undi-
crthey seemed to think; that beceiuse Load Chat- v' lii .eonfideoce of his, Majesty, . for .a period of
hato'S .•advice had not- bee'reae,ted upon, the resolSe eighteen yeari,._ it. way a dectsiye proof that where
tions under discussion -we're too strong. He 0...1,, merit existed, and where the public ,good was at.
nOV thitsk see It ini.ght have been_ acted oil—it was. ,stake, secret influence orpersonal favotir, evouldnee
given ; and, although 00-appeae.Ot eonsequeticess 'vet-. hated-ere, ele feviewiog alt that ki,' a material in
traced, it %yea hneossible to say that it had prodisCed :ales. k 1 hole honauetof food Chatham, there was no-
no end Nothing could excuse LordChatitatit'a not thing unconatittatiOnal, nor hothieg whiclecloild call
first giving the same account to his colleagues.-- • His for The,
.seeere censure conveyed in the respirations
Majesty sou.d eot have a private bureau fora public- prOpOstal, 'Under theselcircumstaneesehe could'eot
paper. Taking hhis.•with reference,- and cauplitig it - --brim= Himself to- vole in favour of ihe •question, and
,with the Council of State; iii what circumstances did ..were aoy,:of the Oenilqmen- on. the. Opposite side of
Lord Chathant'a condutt place the Council acid-tile the House labouringtander abodes cleirges, be•shoold
Monarch ? Privy Councillors . Were to advise. their fet.-1 himself in-:candOer bound to exprass i a similar
Sovereign, and yet they come to 'this task, ignorant opinesee.
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of that of which . he:- lied been :informed, and, Mt. PONSON3Y Observed.the last Speaker had talk-
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.deal of secret influence as felt -or• per--
what was worse, entosatets net to communicate
it. After all this, after, seeing the •excellent de , ccived by those in or put of,place,'. hi which be ae-
sign and practical usageof Cleat Cbuncifs, we were quitted the Noble LordOf having a shares 1 his
now asked, -where wee the statute- which designated .trt f e del not limes whit' thetSetnet induente might
p, 1 i _ . - .
.1171;; priviteges, and legislated the department of thec,e nee* how it -.was-exercised; he did not see that it
Who compus;,d them. Fos-and -Pitt, said the 'Hon. f hadinuch to zle -with the, subject before s the House,
and Learned Member, are: in. their graves s told the question beihg-whether the line of conduct sated
with them seems-to have died thesisnowled.ge of to lia.e been pursued, by Lord Chatham waa consti-
practical Constitution. -It was- coeval 'with -uS, :this tutional or not. None of those who bad spoken in
our Constitution sof 'State. Blackstonh 'tell! as one behalf of the Noble Lord had Attempted wholly. to
of the wisest and noblist maxims on earth, that ste-- Vindicate, his oviduct. Eacli admitted be had been.
Bing .t.
ng caohlo no wrong'a end hence the value of she culpable to a, certain degree. , Now he 'Wished to
responsibility of Ministers, without which.
,Ohr Con- .kuSelv 'what t hat, conducte wad i fie v regarded. as. ina-
' stioation was nothingness. Yet the conduct of the -1 proper; The thancelior of the Exchequer had said
Earl of Chat ham was destructive of the official system,' 1 it was ." not
:right ;" a Leasned Getideman •oppti-
and .caleOlated to established an afield one. ' What I site had saidet was " reereheosibe ;" and another
statute was wanted here? Were they boys, uneipual:= Honottrable Memeer had :salted it "erroneous."
tosschool-boys, (his own sons, the Hon. and Learned He (Mr. I?()osetltiy),whatied to be . inforrried2 what
Member said, were better taught)', were they such it Was%thatoraah" not- right ?" what it vasthat
Leboys to need to be told, -eyes ag-tio, that Ole law. of was". reprehensible'?" whaa it. was that was " er-
theConstitutinn was to beaead only iti the praetsce aoecous?" What ,was that condiht • which- was
of the Constitution i Lord Chatham'a rhernorial • thus, apokan of ?‘ He would supple the answer for
was without precedent ; it was a most unconstitua., them ; it Was unconstitut•onal. ' Thstovas the 'fad.
tional a6-t; it was an act tending to ititrodoce a . They could . not find -anoteter word in the English
double Goyernment, and destroy, the test of official lanouage that would express . it, -bin they could not •
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responsibility:' The House, need not go far back to
.bear, to call it by that name—they would not apply -
"ascertain the effeetalaksay to flow- trona eueh con- to it the term " uncoxistitutionals" . One-Gentleman.
duct, however, they might soek, • but. in vain for ita had asked, where was the -law to be 1-hund winch
precedent. • Let the House but, Look to the aneseer-- was infringed ,by such-conduct ? 'He would reply,
ht 'turned by- Ministers to the City- of London,- Co:- the conduct of the Earl set Cnatharnswaa censurable •
_netted eas if was with this. transaaion ; there it as beitia uSiconstitutional. •If it viehesed any hive
• steed ref cited. beyond all doubt,. ' that Ministers - it wotird be illegal. , There' Was .a • material differ •
kusw not what was the true .answer to advise ersce between aCtions' toatevere onSonstitutional and"
the King to
,give,, and this because their colleague, those which were illegal. Loo:i Ceatharn.wels. Cora-
though most interested in it, kept back informas mauder in Chief of the late expedition; a -Pe'r. of the
titan 'from . therh. - Little did he now - mean to Realtn, and a Privy COUneihor :as Vie -latter he had
bay Of, arat answer, but, since so • [teach mention a right to advise his Majesty, hut -aa the former he
was made of the first Esta of Chaseam and ihe t
.had no right-'to go, to him as he had done, for the
late Mr. Pitt,. Sucnehigh allusion's to them, it puipoae Of 'sithmitting to hiM as,Neirative• of ins
was not the way of those' great lien, gavot they,
,prOceedings, and therefdre the resol,ition agent'
boil. M bo. were, to 'Make lielit 01 the City of London. t to say his• conduit was unconstitational. It was
'Shell was net the fashion in those times ! As to the his epee oeching his Majesty 'disguised,• as it. were,
Noble Earl in question, much as he respeeted in . that Constituted the sineonstitehrtnn Qfrdnoe. '.ilis
hint iiic `Plaiii" at t .".a, it '.'"'"cte thin Le uku4t i requesting 'that it might be kept a secret, was
still say, the moment he reached home, to have laid an additional cause of complaint-, as it was -an -una
down pie character of the Mieister 'at she door of tonstliotional abuse of the privilege of access to the
the Secretary. of State. 'Contemplating all the cire King, -An Honourable Gentletnad had said that to.
humstabees that' had a ran,pired, the way in which constitute: an unconsti utismal actesonaething in eon-
Lord Chatham had continued to interest the Kitig seqhene.e must be posstively proved -eo have been
in his cause, .the withholding, of
,that information done ; eand that it was no matter hoN petnicious
which it was for himhive cOi nin tounicated to his , the-advice given to his Majesty 'eneeht• bee provided
- culleagnes, the kind of secrecy to which he tried to it was nut aded upon.- A more . abominable doc-
envelope his case, and, the unaccountable emends- trine he had never beard.. What if the King
• tious in. it, he felt himself in duty bound to support i should besiufh there was rin d that therwaa a- faaious :House
the Resolutions before the-'House. '
. The SOLICITOR GENERAL confessed his unveil-, Croaae ell did, with an atoned force .to put an etid
liugneSs to go at length into the question ; and tint to
.iieei eieliberatioos.. If our - -graciottas Monarch'
Tibis torsilliogness partlyarose from the Teri"' ' should refuse ('ls in snail, .cafe he Wonld) togive an'
sinn-of his inaoility to do it. Much of extraneous ear to such counst; would the
House
of his con-,
mitter . seemed intoilinced just now. • Wishing to duct be any reason ehy the: Muse of • CsSnatnens
confine himself to the s=lain quest*, he. would ask, . Should not proceed agaihht the offending individuals:
in the first place,whether it was fit for the House.to The Hon, cientletnati had said there were numerous
condetud an abSeet individual, who could not be 1 booksson the Constitution of the Country, in each
heard, _by an irretrievable 'vote of censure and efts- of which-it was variously defined. This definition-
grece ? .He could' not htiug his mind to such a. of it differed from all he (Mf.-P.) had ever previa
vote. . Error was all ;that could be honestly MI- - ously heard of, and he would advise that -. Hon. Gen
puted to Loyd Chatham, but _it was Oinntentionel. tleman to read •a different edition to that he had last
error, or error without any. evil purpose. . The, perused. The Getztlemen . opposite admittel -that
House would act veil in eseertaitting the rio aninto, the coedit& of -Lord Chatham was reprehensible.
toe actual estate of the mind of the Noble Earl; and r What tben would they have the House do
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this mi,ght be shewn, ueequivrically demonstrated, 1 they have thein pass over, Without- further notice,
Irons the papers On the table of. the House. Charged ' that which they protiounced to be reprehensible ? It
as he was, with.the wish to have his memorial wrapt i
.bad been said, that the name of the great _Chatham
up in secrecy, and- his view of undermining• tilt .bail been improperly introduced on ia.e present oc-:
or lief service, why bad he wished to effect this point, canon, that the virtues of the father might.. act to
. did he delay his design from Oct. to Jan. when he-, had tthe prejudice of the son. They had been conjured by
daily access to his. Sovereign,' and might, with such, . the respe& they bore to the memories, of the great
facilities. as he possessed, have, humanly speaking, Chatham, and of Mr. Pitt, to-spare the feelings of
easily accomplished his plan 'of calumny. The Noble
. the individual - whose conduet was' the sulajeet -Of '
Lord was not of the character some seemed to sup-. discussioh. If Pitt were alive, he would, in
.pose him. - It was inipoesible to conceive that the all piohtbility, be the first to censure the .conduet
-.Noble Lord's motives were malignant, nor could any of Lord Chatha7n, .as when -living and in office,
base' or invidioUs feelings' be, with any -degree of thinking the duties of the First Lord of the Admi,
, justice or fairness, attriumed ten him. He would ask rally nut ably discharged-by Lord Chatham, he had
. if it was the ,Noble Lord's intention clandestinely t° the firmness and the virtue to-advise his Majesty to
cast an imputation upon the naval service, would he i remove hies from that situation. • He was therefore-
have been himself the persouto request that the Nar-
'lt,such invidious remarks were so .
liberally bestowed should be made public ? If- the .of opinion that if' Mr. Fitt were now Jiving he
rotive, on whie
Would be the first to pursue the unconstitutional
cooduet of Unit Chatham.- The Learned' Gentle-
! Noble Lord was. to be 'condemned by the Public, roan who had last sat down had spo- Ito, Of, the con-
Land if his conduct was •to be ekatnined, before a pub- duS,I oldie Temple •family in the time of Charles .I-I.
‘ lie tribunal, of what use could the favour of Ms' So-
-1 Hewould advise him to peruse the history. of that
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i vereign be, or .what .advaniage-ceuld he .derive from Monarch's reigh again, he'wOuld then -fled, that in-
-1 h Narrative, written avowedly in defence of bis Pro- stead of farming a put of that faCtion denominated,
ceedings, if' that Narrative was lacked - it, the " The Cabal," Sir W. Temple was the stfongest and
. eseruteireof his. Majesty ? • P
The result, heretore, of the best opposer of their views; which; tiredly
.he
1 the most
_deliberate consideration must be, that the completely frustrated,- and that he gave tlx most
e•Ndble Lona'S conduct had entirely ariseu in error, honest advice to the Kit-IC of -all . his Coulee:Mors.
and was 'not actuated by any itividihus or 'malt- - He was desired to excuse theconthea of Lord Chat-
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cants ,
.feelings. Such Was his, opinion, hi which he barn, be;catisee though indefensible, it was not siOne
trusted every ' fair and candid -wind would concur. with a malignant littera, as the Narrative was merely
With reaped to the question of 'secrets irifitience,. intended te be produced, as his defence at -atiether
55111 11 , had ' been so noe ch adverted -to by the time. .1-leciaold wisli'talknosa whet his int-eh-es were
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ISSglit onourable..Gentleman on the uppo,iite sii_a t.,,r p' res,!ttini2; it to the King.- Did he do that "With
of the- isfottse; end e.'lien liiid been. si 1;1"PAY • e a view of ittjaring himseiteto'shSw that; the eStpte4ia
scouted by Many as being a mere chimera without s' tion as fit; as &pewit d 'upon him had been keel(
foundation, a liii.bear, a- thing:Dot fit.e:cotence, ' coudseSted ?—or was it to *hew thtit it bad. beZhi
could not help ainiiritig: the iegenuite mien which' ill cowitieted ? If. it wits. impossibiS 'th :t. 'he .cou d
a Noble Lord ( Fell-Tie) had coinirtinted up that. -
1 ;.v ...! in with:3 view of irueriog Siii•es-elf, it esse
torte s 110 .3tlWlled R 1111O1( Illpt that itillutened 011iy , 111)11.epessilhe t Lathe lei lit giv eit iii vith 3 Vi‘.;',V(%l
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exlsied when it tperato.llo. .tile prejudice of Mialis-:.1 insoier a saseueitoo eepseenen. Ulf _ his :at sjesee 4,-3