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bad: been more than-doubled. The Mem-
bev.might• quarrel with the increase of men if he
pieuzed, but 1-t e had no right :to say that with a
dodbte number of troops the ex pence ought to con-
tiiitie the same. He ought to recollect that the
VolOn with Ireland cast an additional expence of
13a;000/. a year on the Ordnance .Departmeut of
this countryhe forgot too the improvements
which had been made in our artillery service—
(llear!)---he forgot that the arms now used in the
Ordnance Department, differed widely from those
It.eft, when the Estimates were 400,0 CW. a year
,--
11-. v. forgot too the introduction of the Horse. Ar-
tillery, and of the Driver Corp., the latter of
which heeu properly called by t::e
.ember , for, Shrf.-,ve,bury - the. sinews of war—
(ftearl)— present Estimaty.s,
laiich amounted to 1,5577(A.M. first 400,0001. for
balf-pay, -there wolld remain ;‘;--30;0(K)i.
deduct Ordnance e: peace, and

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of the

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Le always ready to a(i)pt. any to Z eS•
Lis which could be practised without
service. He was alc•are. that some
of nece:-!sity:.exi.st, but Ize could not
surprise, that under all cir-
cnwst.-:.tnce7, the F.F.Lirnates „could have
beed kept so low—(Bear, bear !)
FERGUSON and Sir iI. PAnNi:I",T, did
consider "the•staternout of Arr. WAnn
-
ENIXINE stud, it appeared to him
in a Ccininittee. of Supply to vote th,-,
ii.,stin.iates-in one

S', . oNnn nye. said, that the scientific
pro—. :ni.oduced into the Ordnance v,-(21,,‘
'•• 6 importance to the service, and had
1,;,...0ciw:ed a vrry sa;,in", of e-Kpence.
'A .tomefter, orne explanation from Mr. W.unn and
ift-11E, the House dil:ded 'on Air. 1.1.-cm L's
motmn.

-.Far theMption
•
• 214,-,ainst it.
- • .:11,101,ity
..P_n,our.rettio:ti to the Gallery, we found .7vlr.
J,il NI.E. moving that -an Account of the actual ex-
penditure of the Ordnance Department, extract-
(l,froin the ExpQnce Leilj:er, be !aid before the
i!o.vse on ..the 15th of April; if the House be then
sittrpg_;- and if rot, within ten days after its
meOing-,—Ordercd. . . _

Mr. 111.--mE also moved, that there be laid be-
fore the House an account of the amounttf a:l
Pc-Sziopc, 'Allowances, anti Ernf..luments granted
tf.e 50th of. Gt.brqe- 111. chap. 17 to su-
lierannuated Officers and 011icer' INicloss, dis-
tingliishing them by the ys_ and also stating,
whci.her the Offices, insight of which such pen-
-Bze. were granted, have be.en abolished of
not.-7-Ordered.

'.Jr. WARD moved, that the Estimates whicli
he had laid on the table in the previous part of
the:night be. printed;
Mr. HuatE begged the expence of printing
might be spared. as it would be quite nugatory ;
and pint it to the Hon; Gentleman (Mr. Ward)
if he did` tiot think, in the sincerity of his heart,
that the printing them was of no real use.
Mr. HusKtssox reprehended the conduct of
•the lion. Gentleman, who seemed all along -so
-anxious. that the- House should be in posseSsion
of all the public accounts, and now objected to
'the printing of them, whereby he might so easily
discover not only the salaries, but also the names
awl residence of all those Who'received them.
After some observations from IMr. CC:EI:VET,
Mr. tIGNIE said' he should not press it to a divi-
sion. The -motion was therefore- agreed to.

VitESENTATION' OF ESTINIATES.
Sir J. NEWPORT rose for the purpose of mov-
ing a Resolution, of which he had given notice
-ow-Wednesday last, relative to the presentation
of
.Estitnates. • 4, however, there was any inten-
tiOriof opposing it; he would postpone it to a fu-
ture day. .Thg:fesdlation was, " That the Esti-
mates of the Navy, -Army, and Ordnance, ought
' to be presented-Within one week of the commence-
ment of
.every Session of Parliament during time
- -
The CHANCM:LOR of the EXCHEQUER thought
it would :be desirable to postpone the motion
until Monday. -It-would be necessary, he con-
ckired to modify the -termoof the proposition, as
the 'period of the :fleeting of Parliament was so.
-.very uncertain. •
After a few observations from Sir J. N. EW PORT
and Mr.-WARD,` the -former consented- to post-
.pone his motion till Monday:'