The Sun.
London, England, 1821-06-30 00:00:00

MISCELLAN'OUS.

. Mr. HOTITIOUSiI rose to explain the reason of his not hav-
ing brought forward.his prornia xi motion relative to the power
of Judges. It was,.that he did not see any disposition upon the.
Bench to renew the conduct which he conceives to be unjustifi-
able. If it should ever, he repeated, he shOuld lay a direct
charge upon' the table of that House.
:Sir J. MACKINTOSH presented a petition from 'certain in-
habitauts of the City of Westminster, in favour of the Bill for
preventing cruelty to horses and other Brute Animals.—Laid
on the table.
Mr. Q. BENNETT presented a similar petition from
Ux-
bridge.—Laid . on the table.

It. MARTIN remarked upon the general anxiety ex-
pressed by the country upon this subject, and hoped that it
would be duly considered in deciding upon the Bill in progress
through the House.
Mr. F. BUXTON moved that certain papers laid.before the
House yesterday relative. to the immolation of Hindoo Women
should be printed.

Mr. Wi'NNE-suggested, that as the Papers were hrge, the
parts only which were material should be printed, on account
of the expence.
air. F. BUXTON consented to adopt the suggestion of his
Hon. Friend, although lie thought a very few of the Papers
would be found immaterial.

. .
After an observation from Sir J. MAc Str, the Pape.re
were referred to a Committee for the purpoSe of .seletting the
material parts of the Papers.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQU,EII' moved the
reading. of the order of the day for reccivirg the report i-;f* the
TobaccO Dutics for the purpose. of its bdng. posoned to
Monday, at which time Members coot lbe w_lur.v.t.tz-2i with the
alterations.. that had been made. •

• Mr. IIaPHOUSE thought that as the Bill now stood, there
.would not be.much objection, to it. There were seme•minor
points.. which he hoped 1-014.1(.1 be so adjusted, as to prevent the
necessity of a debrte on 'Monday.
Lord G. CAVENDISH presented a Petition from the Retail
Traders of Ashburnham, complaining of persons expcsing ar-
ticles, not of their own manufacture, for sale upon open stalk in
thattown.—Laid 'on the table.

The Exchequer Bills Pv.hlie Works Bill was recd a aco id
time, and Ordered.to be committed to-morrow.
Tile Stock Cancelling Bill was reported, and ordered to be
read a tiiird'time to-morrow.

The Silk Bounties. Bill went through the same stage.—To be
read a third time to-Morro x.
The Irish Collection of Customs Bill was read a third time
and nissed.
The East India Private Trade Bill was read a th:rd time and
passed.
The Isle of Man Trade Bill was reported, and ordered to be
read a third time 0-morrow.

REPORT OF TEE COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY.
00. the motion of the CHANCELLOR of the'
EXCHEQUER, the House proceeded with the
further consideration of the Report of. the Com-
mittee of Supply.

On the Resolution for granting- 8,4001.'f0r the
Salaries.of the Commissioners.and-other Officers
of the Insolvent Court,
Mr. BENNET objectA to the amount of the Sa-
laries to the Commissioners of this Court. The
Magistrates at the Police Offices, persons who
Worked day and night all the year round, with-
out any rt,laxation. whatever -in a most odious
employment, received a salary very. little larger
than that paid to many great county gaolers,
namely GOO/. a year. It should also be consi-
dered, that the Commissioners practised as law 7
yers. Under those .considerations, he thought
that the Chief .Commissioner in receiving 2,000/.
a year, and the other Commissioners in receiving
1,5004, were overpaid.

Mr, BERNAL could not coincide with his lion.
Friend in thinking that the salaries of the Com-
missioners were too large ; but he certainly was
of opinion that they. ought. not to be allowed to
practise at the Bar.
- Mr...1/uNts said, that until the Commissioners
divested themselves of all other duties but thase
of their offices,- the louse ought not to vote them
a single shilling.-
_He had formerly mentioned to
the House
-that he understo.od Government had
purchased, or were al oot to purchase, at a large
price, the house in Lincoln's-inn-square, belong-
ing to Mr. Justice Parke, far the offices of the
Insolvent Court, It was certainly desirable {o
ascertain, if possible, what this Court was, in
various ways, to cost the coentry.
Mr. CREEVEY said, he lead always understood
that the Chief Justice of Chester had but 1,2001.
a year, and the Puisne Judge only 700 i. Why
were the Commissioners of the Insolvent. Court
to have more than the :Welch Judges
Mr. Moitesr said, the attendance of the. Judges
.of Chester 'wa..l only reoired in their Court twice
a year, while those in the Insolvent Court were
in aitendance almost every day. lie did not
think the salaries too great, bUt he should have
en-peCled them to give up private practice.
Mr. Serjt. °snow supported the Resolution.
Mr. Qau74Fign, said, that as the question was
to. be brought befOre the .house
.neat Session-, he
hoped on inquiry would be made -into the pro-
priety of raising the salaries of the Police Magis,
trates, as nothing in his opinion could tend so
much to ensure the obtaining of efficient persons.l
Mr. CALCRAFT said, he saw no reason to think
the salaries too large. Formerly there were in
that Court but one Judge, and he had a salary I
of 2,0001. a, year ; then it was found expedient
to increase. the number, and it was thought the
salary 'was not too large to induce Gentlemen of ca-
pacity and knowledge to undertake the office. it
by no means followed that because the: Police.
'Magistrates had too little, that the Commissioners
of the Insolvent Debtors' Court had too mach.
Re thought the Police Magistrates much under-
paid, and he was surprised that such efficient
men could be. got to fill the office. Ile always
considered' it good econO,rny in the administration'
of the alTairs of a couutry.to makea liberal allow-
ance for public, particnlarly judicial stations, in
order to-obtain proper and efficient persons.
Mr. Ar.r.;tcßommr,said, that from the interest
he had token in the suceesrof that Court, he had
frequent communication-with Mr. Reynolds; and
whatever might be the doties of tr. 4arris or
Mr. Bowen, he thought the time Mr. Reynolds
had to devote to his office was wholly incom-
patible with general practice' at the Bar.
If. G. B-Enstr.T. said he should yield to the
general wish of the House, and not press his
oPpoSition to the grant to a division.
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said that Mr. Rey-
nolds heti given up general prOCtice.at o.le
The vote was then passed. •.

' ALIEN ACT.
The sum of 5,735/. ls. Gd, was then proposed
to defray the expericc;s of the Mien and Super-
amiaation Office.

Sir R. WlLson said, that this vote had passed
the Committee without any discussion, although
lit, did not knowany one more objectionable, not
in point of ainount,•but its application. lie con,
ceived the Alien Act a disgrace to the country,

rll E&an.ce, although they hadite,power tqrefnie
passports, yet no foieigner could be removed un-
less he had rendered himself obnoxious in some
manner. lie had also the power of purchasing
lands, nor did hi property. go at his death to the
Government; he had the pcw'er fro dispose of it as
he thought proper. But now this Act existed in
England,' in the 7th year of peace, which re-
ileLted tpprobrium and disgrace upon the court-
Spain,nnder the new Govern-
ment, a decree was issued, stating—" that the
Spanish territory should be an asylum for all fo-
reigners." The Hon.and Gallant G eneral then ad-
verted to the case of Madame Montilion and.others,
to point out the evil consequences resulting from
this mc.gt eppressive Aet. During the late tris.l„
when an individual bad applied to a person in
Italy respecting evidence in' favour of her Me^
jesty, it appeared that Col. Browne had threaten-
ed the father of ,the individual (M. Marietti, a
most respectable gentleman) that he should have

the law put in force. Every foreigner with whom
he conversed entertained apprehensions respect -
;ng this law. The House would• recollect the
case of an old French Priest, 70 years of age,
who although labouring under illness, would not
be allowed to land in England. Upon all theca
grounds he should oppose the grant.

Mr. IfoelioosE said, he agreed so perfectly
in ail that had fallen from his 'lon. Friend, that
he could not give a silent vote. Ile considered
the Alien Act and' the Foreign Enlistment Bill
as part of that system of policy which the Noble
N4rquess had entered into when he entertained
a higher opinion of his illustrious Allies than he
did at present, far the Circular of the Noble
Marquess and other transactions demonstrated
that he did not think so favourably of-them--
The Marquess of LONDONDr.-RY—" No! no!"

Mr. IloirroosE—:This was only his deduc-
tion from the conduct- of the Noble Lord, but if
it were not the case he was sorry for it, for be
stood almost alone in his opinion. • If the House
would allow him he should tell them an anec-
dote. that occurred to himself at Milan, illustra-
tiTh of his argument:—Happening to be one
night at• the Theatre at Milan; in Company with
an English physician, a Captain in the Greta.!
diers stood immediately before them,. with his
cap on, and prevented them from seeing well.
His friend asked him take off his cap, upon
which the Captain said something rude.---7
I;is friend, the Doctor, immediately beckoned to
him to follow him out, which he did ; they of
course expected some kind of encounter, when, to
their great surprise, the Doctor was immediately
!landed aver to-the guard, and put into custody.
He (Mr. Hohhouse) happening to know Count
Salo, the Governor of Milan, waited upon him,
and was received with great politeness ; and he
told him the Captain found himself obliged to do
so, being on guard ; but, added he, "are yell tct
aware the same thing could be done in England;
under the Alien. Act ? Lord Castlereagh would
haVe done precisely thesame thing."--(Hear.).
He (Mr. H.) said he was sure his Lordship wouLd
do no such thing. He mentioned this "cirotn;•
stance to show the opinions that are entertained
abroad of this Act, and that not by the commoKw.
people, butby men in office. This measare was
so execrable that the very persons employed
carry it into effect neglected to do it; and tba
terror entertained by foreigners respecting it was
well described by his Honourable Friend (Sr R.
Wilson). He therefore.hoped that many Gen-
tlemen would be found on both sides of the HouLfa
to oppose it,

_ .
.
Mr. CLi 'WE had ingnited into the case of Ma-
dame and it was qUite different item
.the opinion that had gone abroad. He had a
conversation with the medical gentlemen who
attended her child, and it was not at her re-quen,
but at the request of the Captain of the ship, who
' Observed•the child to look 111. The child did
not die in two or three days, but two or three
months after her removal, and MademeMOntillon
had expressed herself in terms of gratitude.
Sir It. WILSON explained.
-'Mr. BERN-AL said; as the House was now he:.:l-
- encouragement to other nations to eta
Wish a wide:and liberal footing, we should begin
by abolishing this odious measure. Every day
there were declarations and counter-declarations
from different governments, and- the time might
come when the Government of thie country
should wish to give way to the feelings of hurea-
nity, and violate this law. 'He wished.to know
Whether any paper had been issued by Austri4
on this. subject ?
The Marquis of LONDONDERRY said it was the
constant practice of the Hon. and Gallant Gene-
ral (Sir R. 'Wilton,) whenever the word " alien"
was_ mentioned, to call for the attention of the
House. But he hoped he "was not serious is
Making this the night of contest. The Alien ACt
had only one year more to go, and then the 4on:
and Gallant General would have en opportunity
of trying the opinion of the House. With re-
spect to the question of the Hoii. Gentleman
(Mr. Bernal) he could only say, he heard of no
,srixti paper., He could not agree to 'the construc
lion given to his
.conduct by 'the Hon. Gentle.
man (Mr. Hobliouse) with respect to the Allies ;
he could nut concur in. the general doctrine laid
down by them, but he .acqeitted them of any dis-
position. of any thing further than a desire tv
Meet the evils they saw around them. • With
respect, to the general nature of this law, he
must inform the House, that it was not intended
Ffor the accommodation of any Foreign Power,
! nor did it deny to any stranger that asylum which
it became the hospitality of Englishmento bestow ;
and when .it' could be shewn that an individual
was removed 'on account of his pre*ious. conduct
in any other country, then he shOuld admit the
law was abused. Bat when foreigners made this
country the seat of their opposition to other
lowers, this
.country owed into itself to pu.t the
law in force. However, next year the lien. end
Gallant General could have an opportunity to
bring the whole artillery of his argnmene to bear
upon the subject. . At present he was wasting
his'fire, not upon the principle of the rneaxure,,
but upon the persons employedin- the Alien Office.
MAextlyrosn had so often spoken on the
subject of the et in question, that he would not
again trouble the House, excepting with a -eery
few words in regard to it, In the first placa:7 iq

the Hon. and Gallant General pressed this mo-
tion .to a division, he should feel, bound to sup-
port him. As it was now unfortunately too late
in the Session to discuss the principle of this Act,
he should oppose this Resolution. He had no
longer any means of destroying the monster, ex-
Cept by starving laugh)—and on that
principle he would resist the grant which was to
support its progeny.
The Hon. 11. G. BENNET said it was not his
intention ,to speak of the general policy of the
present measure, but there was.one circumstance
to which he wished the attention of the Noble_
Lord. During the late disturbances a gentleman
and.his son, with whom he was well acquainted,
took refuge in a Spanish ship, and Sir William
A'Court waited. on them, and expressed the
deepest regret that they should be alarmed. He
preVailed on them to come ashore, -and the am;
merit they did, they were arrested, and put into
one of the worst prisons in Italy. He wished
the matter to be explained, and some directions
be'given to Sir W, A'Court, for no, innocence, or
no youth could escape the vengeplice of that
Lazzaronian King.
Tbe Marquis of, LONDONDERRY said he felt
h;mseif called upon;to reply to the Hon. Gen-
tieman lest his silence should be considered as
•
assenting to what he should alwaysconsider an
abuse of the privileges of that llouse, narne,ly, a
personal attack upon illustrious Sovereigns. With
respect to . the transaction alluded to he never
heard one word about it, and no King could
be more revered or esteemed .by his subjects
than the. King of Naples.
Mr. BENNET hoped the Noble Lord would
make it his biisinesSto inquire.
Lord LONDONDERRY said, that he always
con-
sidered it his duty to pay every attention to any
communication from our Ambassador, but he did
not think it necessary to apply to Sir William
A'court on the subject.
. Mr. BENNET deprecated the slightest idea of
casting the least reflection upon Sir W. A'Court,
with whom he was personally acquainted, and for

whom he entertained a high re;pect. he was
certain, however, the transaction alluded to had
occurred.

Lord MILTON said, that no rebuke from the
Noble Lord should, ever prevent him from ex-
pressing his opinions upon the conduct of any

foreign Monarell.

. Mr. C. H. llKTcniNsos agreed with the No-
ble Lord, that Gentlemen ought not to avail
themselves of their privilege in that House, for
the purpose of attacking these-illustrious persons
who were not presetitto defend themselves. But
it was impossible.that they could shut their eyes
upon
,the conduct of the Allied Sovereigns.—

Thu had seen the King of Naples, an aged Mo

much, compelled to leave his own capital,- more
like a slave than a Sovereign, at the most unsea-
sonable period of the year. They had seen him,
before his departure, take an oath to support
that Constitution which he had before sworn to
defend. They, bad seen hint afterwards forced
by the Holy Alliance, to violate the solemn en-
gagement into which he bad entered with his
people.—(Hear, hear!)—When they looked to
these things (of which, by the bye, the. Noble
Lord did appear to disapprove), it was impos-
sible, in the course ordiscussion, to avoid saying
something which reflected on those Sovereigns
who were the authofs of such proceedings.—
(Question, question.)—He was not at all sur-
prised ,that those Gentlethen who had all
along . supported those grants which brought
the country into its present state of abject distress,
and suffering ; and who at the end Of the SesSion
came down as beggars to implore the repeal. of
a Tax of 500,0001. as a boon to
.their Constitu-
ents. He was not surprised, he said,.that these'
Gentlemen should now shew themselves callous
to that which affected the honour and the best
interests of the country. The HOnourable Mem:
ber proceeded to condemn in strong terms the in-
troduction of the. Alien• Act, and concluded by
opposing the Resolution.—The House then di-
vided—

For the Resolution - 44
' Against it - - - - 27
-Majority for it - - -
Sir R. WILSON prespted a Petition from Clapham, in
favour of the Cruelty to Animals Bill.—Laid on the Table.

ALLOWANCE TO THE DUKE OF CLARENCE.
The CHANCELLOR of the .EXCIIEQUER moved-
the Order of the Day for the third reading of the
";3ill for making a proxision for the-Duke. of Cla—
reti Ce.
Mr. CREI:VEY said he had many objections as
wOl to the principle of the Bill as to the manner in

iv•hich it was brought forward. First, lie thought
it.was brought forward too late 'in the Session ; he
aiiiught too; with great subthigsion to the Chair,
that:it ought to
.haveheen preceded b'y
sake, from the Crown ; ;and his' next objection was
that it sheaved an aPpearanCe of faVouritisin for
one branch of the Royal. Family, to . the negleCt
of another.. The present Queen had volUntarily
given up 15,0001. a year. It was true also that
the Duke of Clarence had given tip6,9001.a year
is 1814; but the difference was,
.that the Queen-
,gave up her's
.because she thought it too 'much,
and the Duke gave tip-his
_because he thought it
:ioo 'little. 'lt was hard that the people should be
called upon to'make this provision in the same
Session in which they had been loaded with the
eXpences of the trial of the'Queen,.6 trial iti it-
s.elfso iniivitous, and so contrary to,the opinions of
ihiAe same peoßle.-1-Ie was .justified, in calling
upon the House to refuse this grant; in corise-`i
Claimant
of •the ferociOns conduct of the Noble
Claimant on. this disgraceful trial.
'4:The-Marquis of LoNpONnErtrtY rose to order.
Vrisubmitted that observations of such a nature
mere highly disoi6rly.
'...The SPEAKER said he thought there should be
some' measure observed in remarking" upon the'
conduct of IWeinbers of the other House..
..-Mr.CitEivni said he spoke only of the public
c'aiichtct of the Duke of Clarence, Who was now
suitor to that ItotiSe.

The- CliAN6ir.Lon of the EXCHEQUgIi. inter-1
poied, and said it was out of oi,dei.t4"ttlimbeaq
lalpon'the individual public conduct of any_Nfetn4-
i;ei of khe'othei -House. -

Mr. CREEVEIi said he hail 'do wish to go out of
the way to offend any Member of the Royal Fa-
taily.—But he had himself witnessed the trial in

question ; and had heard the Duke give his judg-
ment of Guilty by pronouncing the word " COn;
tent," and in a tone which he (Mr. C.) had never
heard before in any civilized society."---(There
was here a general call of Order.")
The SPEAKER:said, he lelieved no Member of
the House was more anxious to defend the .freedorn of debate than the Hon.Mernber. Would
not that •Hon. Member, then, think this right in-
fringed'upon, if any person in any other place
were to arraign his (Mr. C.'s) conduct in that
House ? lie put •it -to the House, and to the
Hon. Meniber himself, to apply this, principle to
the remarks for which the Hon. Member had
been called to order.

Mr. CREEVEY begged to apologise. He- had
spoken under the influence of strong feelings,
and he would therefore not say. another word
upon that part of the subject. He conceived,
however, time he had a right to observe
_upon the
expence of the approaching Coronation. - It had
been called a solemn occasion-4 compact be-
tween the King and his people; he (Mr.Creevey)
believed it was not so regarded by the people,
and he was borne out- in this by the fact that
there was•tio national sympathy on the subject.—
The 'present situation of the -Queen probably ac-
counted for the apathy which was so generally-
observed. Upon the question of. Law as. to her_
right 'to be crowned, he professed him Self unable'
to give an opinion ; but he had heard that she.
was not even to be present. lie trusted this was
not the case ;- he trusted that. the Noble Mar-,
quis would not set the King and Queen in open
array against each other. :,Vith respect to the
present Bill, as his ObjectiOn, to it was upon prin.7.
ciple, he certainly would. be no party to it.
Mr. GEORGE BANKFS said, he o;c:ought there
was no subject less relevant to the present ques-
tion, than the case of the Queen. The Duke ofj

Clarence had acted with perfect consistency in
refusing the money in the firstinstance, and in
accepting it now. His refusal was caused by the
belief that the Lady whom he was about to
marry would object to live in England on so
limited an income. She had, however, consented ;
and he (Mr. B.) thought it was generous in the
Duke to refuse the money, when he thought he
must necessarily spend it in a foreign country.
Upon the ground of the annual sum he was glad
to observe, there was scarcely any difference of
opinion ; and, on that of the arrears, he trusted
there would be as little.
Mr. HARBORD said, he was willing to vote for
the -60001. a year, but not for the arrears.
The case of the Queen had, he thought, been
very properly introduced ; for, if.the claim of
the. Duke was to be allowed as to the arrears,
the Queen would have a right to demand 105,0001.
for- the arrears of that which she had formerly
given up. In such a case he did not see how the
Hon. Gentleman opposite could vote against the
claim. He should himself vote against it, as he
should against the present, and in so doing he
conceived he should be consistent. He thought
personal 'considerations very objectionable. He
wished equally to avoid adulation on the one
hand, and insult on the other. When he had an
opportunity of doing so, he should support the
annual sum, but should oppose the arrears.
Sir L COFFIN said a few words in support of
the Pill.
Mr. BENNETT said, his opinion was decidedly
against the whole grant. Ile should not enter
into any question of a- personal nature, but be
could not refrain from observing, that the Coro-
nation was ill suited to the poverty of the Country.
It was an old remark, that a country sick at heart
should not put on a smiling face. He thought
the expenditure of 100,0001. upon a mere page-
antry was much to be censured, especially as the
people would not participate in the festivity. If
the Treasury were full, he should see no great
objection to it, but when mourning was too visi-
ble in all our streets, he protested against the un-
necessary expenditure of so large a sum of pub-
lic money.
- The Marquess of LONDONDERRY deprecated
the drawing of so exaggerated a picture respect-
ing the state of the country. The effect could
not but have a tendency to turn the feelings of
the people against a ceremony. forming an im-
portant part of our ancient institutions. Upon
some occasions the Hon. Members opposite
thought there was no limit to .our national re-
sources. That was always when they attempted
to engage the Government in an interference with

the affairs of other countries ; when, however; an
expellee was'to-- be incurred for the Coronation
'of the Sovereign (for that which had been rightly
called the completion of a compact between him
and his people), then, indeed, those Hon. Mem-
bers were very eloquent upon the subject of our
distress. He feared, too, that the painful pic-
ture which had, been exhibited last year was
highly coloured by the- Hon. Gentlemen oppo-
;site,• and was brought forward to revive feelings
'which were' nearly extinct. When the lion.
Members advocated the cause of what they call-
ed, universal liberty, but which he called uni-
versal confusion, they spoke with lofty grandeur
of our resources, but when an expence was
.suggested- for a • most constitutional purpose,
their hearts actually overran with tenderness.
(Hear, hear.)—He could assurethe House, that
otr the approaching ceremony n6thing had been
done with a view to idle parade, and that every
part of the solemnity had been arranged with the
utmost attention to judidous economy. He was
convinced the people of this country would not
have evinced' that discontent spoken of relative to
a late occasion, had it 'not been for the sugges-
tions of the Hon. Member for Appleby, and
those who sat about him. He protested against
the exaggeration of those Hon. Gentlemen on the
present occasion. Ile should feel that his Ma-
jesty's Ministers had given unconstitutional ad.,
vice to his Majesty had they not advised that he i
should take the.earliest moment to seal' by: the
august ceremony of the Coronation, the solemn
compact, both civil and religious, entered int 6
Vetwixe.his "Majesty and his people.—(Hear !)
Mr. Humc took the earliest opportunity, as one
lof those' taunted by the Noble Lord opposite,
who had accomplished tie agitation of the
country on the occasion of the Queen's•triaLL-:
He threw back the taunt to the Noble Lord. It
was be and the Privy Council who were the fire-

brand on that occasion. tt was the Noble Lord
and his friendss who, in attempting to arraign
the Queen of England at the Bar of a Tribunal
where the Judge and Juror were united in the
same person, had raised the country in her be-
half. They only did so, because they knew she
was innocent; but they could not now say she
was unprotected. They thought she would be
an easy victim, and as for saying that the indig-
nant feelings of the nation were extinct, they
would live long after the career of the Noble
Lord was ended. The Noble Lord had called
the ensuing Coronation an august and sacred in-
stitetion. It was impossible any thing could he
sa-zred from which justice was excluded. If the
King bad a right to be crowned, the Queen had
also. The Noble Lord and a Noble Earl in
another place had, in his hearing, pledged them-
selves that if her Majesty were acquitted, she
would be entitled to all her rights as Queen.
None had more deviated from all the principles
of Christianity than the Noble Lord and his col-
leagues in the treatment of the Queen, and yet
he (Mr. Hume) and his friends were to be
charged with all the criminality of what they
were all along anxious to avert. Ile would ad-
vise Ministers to be just both to the King and
Queen. He wished to see his Majesty crowned,
but he did not want to see him degraded in the
eyes of the country, by an act of injustice to one
who was so nearly allied by blood to the late King.
Mr. F. PALMER said, he should vote against
the grant of the arrears, which he assured the
Hon. Gentlemen opposite was considered out ofi
doors as a most profligate grant. He thought
the Noble Lord most unjust in, taunting his Hon.
Friends with causing the agitation of the public
mind with respect to the Queen; and also with
being advocates for squandering public money in
support of wars on the Continent. They wished
to allay that irritation by causing to be done what
was just, and wished the italuence of the Govern-
ment to be employed to prevent the wars in
question.
Mr. W. SMITH defended the conduct of him-
self and his lion. Friends in the late trial of the
Queen. With respect to.their anxiety to meddle
in the wars on the Continent, he believed it
never had been proposed on their part, but with
the expectation that, instead of fomenting, it
would put an end to hostilities. With regard to
the Coronation, he thought the money had better
be spared to the country. It might a Constitu-
tional ceremony, but he was sure that it would
not in any way tend to strengthen the ties be-
twixt- the Sovereign and the subject. His Ma-
jesty-would be regarded as the legal, legitimate,
hereditary Sovereign of the nation without the
ceremony. On the question before the House
he had only to'say, he should not vote for the grant
of the arrears.

Mr. BATHURST saw With regret the systematic
attempt that was made to degrade the august ce-
remony of the Coronation of - the King of
England in the eyes of the nation. Honour-
able Members ought to remember that there
was a solemn oath to be taken by the
Sovereign, which could only be taken on such
an occasion. To degrade the ceremony was to
undermine the Constitution of the Country.
With regard to the expellees, a great part of it
was already incurred. Independent of the ex-
pence which would'fall on the nation to discharge,
a great sum of money must be expended by those
who were obligated to attend, which could not
fail to be most grateful to the labouring classes,
which, indeed, was already felt as highly bene-
ficial. The Hon. Member opposite (Mr. Smith)
ought to remember that the result of an inter-
ference on our part in the affairs of the Continent
on a late occasion, might have been to plunge us
into war. It- might have been otherwise,- but
that was the alternative we should have hid, if
our negociations to procure peace had failed.
With regard to the Queen, it could not be doubt-
ed that the efforts of the lion. Gentlemen oppo-
site had very much excited the irritation in the
country complained of. If the people were
averse from such proper ceremonies of our Con-
stitution, it were fit they should be familiarised
to them.

Mr. HOBTIOUST doubted very much of the le-
gality of crowning the King without the Queen.
The Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Bathurst's)
arguments hi favour of the Coronation. appeared
to him of a very curious- nature. In the first
place, he wished to make out that the poor would
be benefitted by the expenditure of money first
drawn out of their pockets. Then, with regard
-to- the oath, it did not follow that because a cer-
tain thing was enjoined in case of the occurrence
of a certain event, that therefore that event was
enjoined. With respect to the Bill before the,
House, he certainly should not vote for the grant
of the arrears. He'thought that those who paid
had a right. to estimate the character of those to
whom they paid, and grant in proportion.
Lord MILTON confessed he felt altogether in-
different as to the ceremony of the Coronation of
the king. lie knew:that the history of England
taught that it was an august ceremony.; but he
did not think it would add one more obligation
to the allegiance of the* subject, or one more to
the Sovereign to observe the laws.

The SPEAKER then left the Chair, Mr. FROG.
DEN presiding as Chairman of the Committee. •

. .
On the reading of the Grant of 6,0001. a year
t 6 the Duke of Clarence from the year 1818, My.
HUME moved, as an amendment, that instead of
1818, the Grant to commence from 1821. - -

. 'the Marquis of LoNtioNnEnay, before the
House divided on the.question, begged to enter
his 'protest against any thing in the case of the
Queen bearing as a precedent on, the Present
grant to the Duke of • Clarence considered
that the_ honSe..ought.not to' object to make the
grant retrospectively, as it would• only be -lacing.
themselves and- the Duke of Clarence in the same
situation they were content to be in a few years
ago. ,NOthing had occurred to alter the relative
position af. the parties. his Royal Highness had
lived abroad for one, year, and his conduct there
was of a nature .to exalt .him in the eyes of the
house and the country, and he could not, con-
ceive that Pailiarnent Weald not bt as, willing
now -as.then .to relieve his Royal Highness from-
his embarrassments.

Mr. HUME did not wonder at the part taken

by the Noble Marquess. , fie was of course
anxious to get that for the Duke of Clarence
which his advice had perhaps lost him before.—
He (Mr. Hume) objected to the arrears as a pre-
cedent. He had always advised the Noble Lord
to separate the two grants. There was this
marked difference between the Queen's case and
the Royal Dukes—her Majesty gave up part of
her inconte, because she thought it too much—
his Royal Highness would not have his, because
he thought it too little. The House then
divided—

- - - 24
54
-30

For the Amendment
Against. it
• Majority in favour of the original Grant
The Report was ordered to be received to-morrow
. LOTTERY BILL.
Thee FIANC E LLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved the
second reading.of this Bill.
1111 BENNET protested against this Bill as an encourage-
ment to immorality and vice. He believed it had a greater ten-
dency to fill the prisons with culprits, than all other public
measures put toether.
Mr. MONCf 'loped this would be the last time his Ma-
jesty's Ministers would resort to this means of increasing the
revenue.

Sir S. MORLAND hoped, if the measure were resorted to
again, it would be very much reduced in extent. The public
taste was beginning to slacken with respect to it ; and he
hoped, if it were • not put an end to in any other way, it would
by that means.
Mr. BROUGHAM was the less mortified at the silence of
the Chancellor of the Exchequer,, because he knew what he
would .say. He knew that he would say, in reply to these
complaints, that he could not afford to give up the measure in
the present state of the finances. This was the very excuse the
Portuguese offered for continuing the.-abominable traffic in
slaves. The public knew that the whole system was a cheat;
that the Lottery Tickets were an imposition ; a'nd he hoped
that 'if the Chancellor of the Exchequer could continue after
this to profit by such means, that the people Would foil hint by
deserting, the plan altogether.
The Bill was then read a second time, and ordered to be.
committed on Monday.•
-APPROPRIATION BILL.
Oh the motion of the CHANCELLOR of the EXCHE-
QUER, the House went into a Committee on the Appropria-
tion Bill,
Mr. •HUME said, he would not detain the House but a few
minutes ; he had proposed to have taken up a longer portion of
their time, but as several of his friends on that side of the house
had been obliged to go, he should content himself with an oh-
servation on one or two items. Ile wished to call the attention
of the Noble Lord opposite to the expence of the office of Pay-
master for the Half-pay, which he thought might be dispensed
with, and the expqnse to the country saved. The Recruiting
Service also was a. subject worthy of their notice. The depot
at Maidstone was kept up at a great expense for repairS", &c.
though it was only a temporary barrack, whilst there were
plenty of regular barracks vacant, and might be appropriated
for that purpose. Ile observed on the great amount of the an-
hual salaries to the officers of the dock-yards, who were, by the
altered value of money, receiving ten per rent. more than dur-
ing the war; though their duties were diminished. The expenie -
of Port Admiral at Porismquth and Plymouth were' in 1792
only 1,4701. but now as a full Admiral was kept at both those
places, the expense amounted to 3,78fi1.; the difference he thought
might well be saved, as a Vice-Admiral would'surely be suf-
ficient. He hoped Government would abandon the `prac-
tice of purchasing foreign wood for' the buildihg of our
ships : we had plenty of wood in this country as fit for
that purpose as any that could be procured from the Adri-
atic. He trusted as Ministers had agreed to an *Address to
the Crown, recommending retrenchment, that the Noble Mar-
quis would lend his cordial.assistance. .On reconsideration he
was better satisfied with the Address which had been carried; -
than with the one which he had himself proposed,:•and he
hoped the Noble Marquess would be found a zealous suppor-:
ter of it.- In the part whieh he had taken 'during the Session,
he thought he had proved himself the best friend of-the Noble
Marquess.
The Mitiquis of
.LONDONDERItY begged to assure the
Honourable Member that neither his Address nor that of his'
Honourable Friend (Mr. Bankes) was wanted to enforce on
Ministers the necessity of economy. He was happy-to observe,
froin the goad-humour which the Honourable Member had
displayed, that the debates of the Session 'had not:shared his
temper—that good humour must make him a very valuable ac-
quisition to-the society
.Which he was goinkto.enjoy.' •
The Bill was then ordered to be recommitted to-morrow.
METROPOLIS POLICE
. _ _

After which the House resumed, and went into a Cornniitteg
on the Metropolis Police Bill. .
Mr. BENNET objected to the clause for apprehending
suspicious characters, as tending not to suppress crime, but to
put money into the pockets of Police officers. He mentioned
an instance where a robbery of goods to.the amount of 4,0001.
was committed, and the merchant on applying to the Police
officers was at last induced to give 4001. when he had the goods
replaced" in warehotise. The state of the public parks • aiso.
were such that no modest women could walk in them without
insult, except in the public places. He recommended that an
efficient Police should' be employed to render those places safe
for the King's lieges to pass, instead of "being, as they at pre-
sent were, -public nuisances. Another Subject to which he
wished to call the attention of Ministers, was the immensenumber of fairs in the vicinity of the Metropolis. Between
summer and autumn there were no less than eighty-four fairs
within ten miles of London. 'Whatever use they might have
been crfformerly,-therwere at present only places of assemblage
for all the loose-and &orderly persons of the:Metropolis, -and
more ruinous to youth than any other thing that he was.aware
of, Within gunshot of that House, at Tothill-fields, every
species of disorder was committed with impunity, for the Police
were not strong enough to repress them.
The SOLICITOR-GENERAL defended the clause object-
ed to by the Hon.. Member • it was in principle the same as a
clause enacted in the 17th Gee. 11. from which no inconvenience
had ever resulted.

Mr. BENNETT explairied. •
Mr. Alderman BRIDGES. hoped the censure of the. Hon.
Gentleman was not applicable to the police officers of the City.,
He agreed with the Hon. Member in reprobating the faimin
the neighbourhood of the Metropolis, and wished that they
could be suppressed altogether.
Dr. LUSHINGTONbeIieved that a very large proportion
of offences had arisen from persons attending -the fairs in ques-
tion. Ever since he had been a Member of that House, he had
thought of proposing a Bill for suppressing them: If something
were not done by his Majesty's Ministers in the ensuing Ses-
sion, lie certainly should feel it his duty to propose some mea-
sure on• the subject. He had himself passed by West End Fair
at the time . these outrages took place, when one man lost his
life, and was a witness that the police were incompetent to re-
strain them.

Sir W. DE CRESPIGNY agreed in censuring the fairs, as•
congregating together a number of characters of the worst de-
scription. In his neighbourhood, at the fair time, robberies
were frequent. The study of Lord Camden, his near neighbour,
was broken into, and the trackS or the thieves were discovered
next morning strewed with Cabinet papers, which were flying
about the park.
The remaining clauses of the Bill were severally agreed to.
The House then resumed, and the Bill was ordered to be
re-
ported to-morrow..

EXTRA POST BILL. •
On the motion of the CiIANCELLOR of the ExciiEQuEtt,
that the Douse resolve itself into a Committee on this Bill,
Dr. LUSHINGTON_ rose to oppose it. He did so on va-
rious grounds, contending that the present mail-coaches went
at as rapid a rate as the usual light coaches ; that if the rate
was increased to 11 miles an hour it was impossible to prevent
aecidents ; that as these coaches were only to be established for
particular places, an undde preference would thus be given to
those places, over others where no such accommodation was af-
forded, and that this departure from our established practice
would create great inconvenience to the post office, and produce
a great derangernent in the system of mail.coach communica-
tion; without a proportional advantage to any party.
• Sir R. WILSON defended the Bill. Post chaises and four,
which usually ran at the rate of 10 ' miles' an hour, created no sphere for accidents ; and from the 'construction of the
proposed coaches adrintting Of chinging horses with greater cele-
rity, they could go 11 miles an hour with as little danger 'of
doing mischief.

MONCK opposed the motion.
The CHANCE LLOR of the EXCHEQUER observed, that
great as was the respect which he felt for any-recommendation
that proceeded from a Committee of the House, still he would
not support a mischievous or dangerous proposition, even
though it were supported by their sanction. The present plan
was,_ in his opinion, neither dangerous nor mischievous. The
accelarated rate at which the mails would travel by it would not
increase the number of accidents. Indeed' a very heavy 'car-
riage.vms more likely to produce Accidents than the light vehicle
which.the present projector had devised.
Mr:- T. WILSON objected to the proposed plan, and com-
plained of the inadequacy of the vehicle bywhich it was intend-
ed that this extra roost should be carried. The plan, unless it
were made general', would be both prejudicial and unfair.i
Mr. WARRE was of opinion, that a carriage rnightgo safely

at the accelerated rate now proposcd ; but the projector
ed to him to be attempting too much.
Sir W. 1)E CRESPIGNY trusted the .11ouge would not
assent to the acts of cruelty towards horsea,'whien-this Bill, if
passed into a law, would sanction.'

Mr. J.BEENET'T supprted the origir.al-inotiOn. - -
Mi. lIARBORD objected to it on three grounds ; the first
was ift inhumanity to horses the second its partial operation,
and the third the danger which it would 61..4.Tc:i0n to rig Ma_
jesty's subjects fifty the furious.driving Which must necestaTily;
ensue from it.

Sir
,J. 11.1 A RJO R IBA NKS trusted .that if.this met with
the approval of Parliament, its operation would not he extended
to Scotland, where it was universally di ;liked.

Mr. F. PALMER had no objection to the experiment being
made, as it was to be made at the risk of the projector, and not
at the expence of the public.
Sir F. 0111 MANE Y. argued in favoUr of the amendment.
The House then divided. upon the amendment, when there
appeared

_ _
Ayes, 23 I Noes, 321 Majority, 4.
The House then went into a Committee on the Bill. A short
discussion took place upon its several clauses, in which Mr.
Warre, Mr. Bright, the Chancellor of the Exchequer, Dr.
Lushington, Sir J. Ma'.rjoribanks, Mr. J. Benett, Mr. Wrot..
teslev-, and Mr. T. Wilson, took a part.
- The clauses were agreed to; but on the queStion that the
Chairman dO report the Bill to the House, a division took place,.
when there appeared—
Ayes - - 33 I Noes • - = 30i Majority - , 3.
. The House then resumed, and the Report was ordered to be
received on Monday next.

' CRUELTY TO HORSES BILL.
Sir WM. DE CBES PIGN I' presented a Petition from the
Inhabitants of Camberwell in favour of the 111 Treatment of
horses Bill.--Ordered to be laid on the Table.
Mr. 11. MARTIN moved the Order of the Day for the third
reading of the. Cruelty to Horses Bill, and the House proceedzd
immediately to a division, which was as follows :--:
. - Ayes - . - -
Nos - - - - 13 .
- . Majority - - • —24
. . .
The Bill was accordingly read the third time and passed. -
The other Orders of the Day were then disposfxl of, kad the
House adjourned at TWELVE O'CLOCK.