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fact deserted—and therefore had nothing to looks to,
but to have another Administration in embryo
ready. We again, therefore, call upon Lord node-
rich for an account of his first resignation, which
took place on the 13th of December last, and an ex-
planation of the cause or causes of that act.—lbid.
The business of explanation, almost the only busi-
ness which has occupied both Houses since the
Meeting of Parliament, was resumed last night. It
commenced by a reference, on the part of Mr. Her-
ries, to what fell, on Monday night, from Mr. Dun-
combe, the Member for Hertford, who made so
striking an allusion to the " influence equal to the
Ministers', if not greater, behind the Throne ;" to
a form that was never seen, and a name that was
never breathed,. whose power had much influence
in making these arrangements ;" to " an incorpo-
real being,-as well as one of a more substantial form,
close to the Throne—the arbiter of Europe, to whom
even ion Miguel, 'within a few days, had had re-
course for a loan." Mr. /ferries said, " I did not
' state, as has been represented by the Hon. Member
for Hertfordi that I had heard `I hat: (Feb. 18),
for the first time, of the intended resignation of my
Right Hon. Friend. What I stated, and what I
complained of, was, that, it had 'not been made
known to me on the 29th of December, or on the
d of Jantiary,..on- both of which days an opportu-
nity presented -itself of making the -communication
to me, which I think ought to'have been made. I
Complained then, as I do now, of being left in utter
ignorance of that circumstance until the sth of Ja-
nuary, when I learned, for the first time, that my
Right Honourable , Friend (Mr. fluskisson) had
made a point of tendering his resignation, in the
event of the course which he recommended not
being adopted." Mr. Herries then appealed, in
confirmation of his statement, to the reports in
the Times and the Morning Chronicle of the
19th of February. He further observed, that "he
did not say he would not have persevered in
the course which he had marked. out for himself, if,
before the sth of January, he had known of the in-
tended resignation of his Right Honourable Friend ;
but' it certainly would have had an influence on his
determination ;" and he reiterated his complaint of
the hardship on him, of being left wholly ignorant of
the circumstance. He alluded also to the statements
tnade in the House of Peers by Lords Goderich and
Carlisle, on Tuesday night, in which the declaration
}vas reiterated, that the dissolution of the late Ad-
Ministration was caused by the difference betwixt
him and Mr. Huskisson. This was a sufficient open-
ing for letting in the whole subject; and accordingly,
after a brief altercation between Mr. Herries and Mr.
fluncombe, as to the language actually used on the
18th, Lord Milton took high ground. Availing him-
self of the avowal made by Mr. Herries, of his know-
ledge of a design, when speaking of the real reason
which lead to the dissolution of the Administration—
then, said his Lordship, in his usual direct and
tnanly;way, " if the Right Honourable Gentleman
knew of a design, he knew also of its objects; be
knew by whom it. was conceived, and upon this, far
more than upon'other matters, was he bound to give
a full explanation. The Right Honourable Gentle-
man may settle his disputes and wrangles with his
colleagues as he pleases; but before us, the Repre-
sentatives of England, he is bound to render an ac-
count of the charge which he has preferred, that a
design was entertained of Overturning the Adminis-
tration of the country." Mr. Brougham had recourse
to a device which his profession naturally suggested
to him; namely, the putting the assertion of Mr.
Herries, on Monday night, "on his honour as
a gentleman, and as he hoped to be saved here-
after, .that he never had any communication with
any individual out of the Cabinet, or with any body
but his own Colleagues," into an interrogatory form,
essentially identical with the assertion, hitt yet so
varied, as to cut off retreat by. a verbal distinction.
" Did (the Honourable and Learned Gentleman
*ked), any other persons go and consult or com-
municate. with-him during these late negociationi?"
The. ". never to have had any communications with
any individual out of the Cabinet, or with any
body but his own colleagues," and " other persons
going and consulting' or communicating with him
*ring these late negociations," are of course one
aid the same; and as Mr. Herries came forward
voluntarily, and of his own proper suggestion, to
afford the fullest information to the House, we do
not exactly see why he should have demurred to the
answering the question which he had already an-
swered when put in a form more satisfactory to Mr.
Brougham ? He had already said further, that
"he had received no adviee from any person what-
eyer;" and though it is not very agreeable to be
questioned, yet, under the circumstances of the case,
it did not become him to stand upon any punctilio.
"!I abide, Sir," he answered, " by the statement I
have already made; I do not recognise the right of
the Honourable and Learned Gentleman to put that
question to me. Whatever explanations I have
deemed it necessary to make, I have already given;
but I will not enter into any further explanation
beyond what I have already given as to the causes
which led to the dissolution of the late Govern-

m,ent."' But his re-entering on the subject, with a
view oflaffording farther satisfaction to the House,
amounted to a profession of readiness to clear up any
difficulty, with respect to his meaning. from ambi-
guity of expression. it meant this, if it meant any
thing; for we db not exactly see what 'right, any.
Member has to occupy the House with the delivery
of a speech formerly spoken by him, and by -this he-
sitation to`do what ought to have been an indifferent
thing, the public will be apt to conclude with Mr.
Brougham, that " if the Right Ton. Gentleman
was determined to abide by that silence, it would
have been far better for himself that he had never

given any explanation at all." A man who volun-
teers an explanation, is bound to endeavour to make
himself sufficiently understood; and therefore, if
those to whom the explanation is given, feel any
difficulty in comprehending any statement, and wish
to:ascertain by an interrogatory, embodying ,the
statement in another form more intelligible to them,
whether they have comprehended it sufficiently, do
not receive that satisfaction, 'they have a right to
complain, and to draw unfavourable inferences from

the circumstance. So much for the questioning pare
of the business. A scene of a different kind followed,
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Mr. Williams Wynn distinctly said,' " With' all due
deference to, :the 4tpetnent- of the Right, Ron. Oen,.
tleMan, I--do .-not give credit to it. Mr. Sturges
Bourne concurred in what had fallen from Mr. Wynn.
Sit; James Macdonald used still stronger lan-
guage. " Whether (he said) he (Mr. H.)
held the place :of Chancellor of the Exchequer,
or be degraded to the interior place of Master
of the Mint, I can tell him, that there is no place
in the service of the Government which will, excuse
or redeem him from the responsibility of making
good his charge." Mr. Herries, after these strong
assertions-and challenges, repeated his declaration,
that his resignation was not the • operating cause. of
the dissolution 'of the late Government, and thiew
upon the parties who undertook to explain the
causes of the dissolution, to state all the causes of
the dissolution. Mr. Wynn said, " a determination
was taken to stand the contest of parties in 'Parlia-
ment, and he asked the Right Hon. Gentleman whe-
ther eight and forty hours before he wrote his letter
of resignation, he had not in the Cabinet declared
his willingness to co-operate to the utmost of- his
power in maintaining the Government of which his
Noble Friend (Lord Goilerich). was at the head ?"
Mr. Wynn went further, and contended, not only
that the declaration Mr. Herries made on'the 19th
of DeeeMber rendered it impossible to suppose he
was then meditating his letter of the 21st, but that
he could have had nvildence that the negociation
which had been carried on with Lord Althorp, was
m any other state on the 21st, than it .was in 00 the

3d of December,when he had asked whether, on
the 34:1 of December, ,the letters which he had re-
ceived were not such as to induce him to suppose,
that all that had been done respecting the 'appoint-
ment,of his
Lordship, was to. sound him if he
were! disposed to accept the Chair 1 Lird Nor-
manby asked him why he had perpetually, shifted
the ground of his pr-oceeding, first stating Tic,