The Sun.
London, England, 1810-05-11 00:00:00

TTLETON.
OTOIVIVEIi and L'Y

The following is a Copy of the correspondence
which has taken place between Mr. Roger O'Conner'
411 d Mr. Lyttletonl in consequence of the allusio.nof
the latter, in the House, of Commons, to thocounec-
tion of the former with Sir Francis Burdett :-_
• 'IR• &CONNER'S FIRST LETTER TO MR. LYTTLETON.‘
"Sir—From a wish that no. personal concern Of
mine should be blended with any public transaction
17' England, I have forborne, till after the meeting
(it the people of WesiminAier,..to address you=--that,'
c'ver, I feel myself called on- to notice certain ex-
s.Pressions you are reported tO have made use of res-
i"cting .ny brother and me, which I cannot credit;
°ll any authority short of your own.
" Should you, contrary to my hope and expeCtal
.lioll, have taken the license I allude to, I have onl#
to remark, that ignorant as you are of my Countryi
iq family, my brother, and myself, and of all till
!acts on which you presumed to ground your opi
your conduct appears to me wanton and mis-
t'llielous----that had your assertions been true, they
were illiberal—and that your hiving uttered them,
truly or falsely where you did, the act was base in
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extreme.
I am, Sir, &c. &c
" O'CONNER."
Maddox.street, Hanover.square, April Ir, IS no.

rs, Henrietta.strest, Cavendish-square, May 5, iStdi.
Sir—Upon my arrival in town this day, a let-
: 4.1 was
,put 'into my hands, dat.<..d- 1-oth April, in-
, (ibrsed ' O'Conner,' and signed with the same
l'arne, which, instead of being sent to my lodgings,
!..
was left at ,the bar of Walier's Club, where it has.
rPtnained fur fifteen or sixteen dais..
" This letter, of which I presume you: to be the
Writer, complains Of certain_ expressions; which I
4'll reported to have wade use of tespedingyour
brother and yourself. -
" The manner &in- which those expressions are-de-
scribed is so loose and indefinite, that it is:impossible
.10 enter :into explanation upon the subjetSt—and I
must add, that under any circumstances the tope
°f the letter would preclude such explanation._
..
‘i I am, S.r, &c.
‘4 WM. HEN. LYTTELTON."

411••••••••11.0
•
" Sir-I received _ your letter of the sth 1nt.71
/esterday, and that the present communication may 1
riot he loose :or .indetinite; I have to observe, that I
Yob are reported 'in The Parliamentary Debates to
to, have represented me as a I).ison'urtfil pr the so-
. _

J.I~IPEF L 1 L PARL IJIENT

110(75'1,' OF PEERS,

THURSDAY, MAY 10.

,
The House, in-. a Committee of Privileges; was
for a length of time employed in hearing Counsel
on • the, claims to the Baubury Peerage,. and the
Judges Attended- to deliyer their opinion-on a point
of law.

Several private Bills were broug,lit op from the
Commons, and read a first time.'
Lord BORRINGDON moved for a number of Papers
relative to the late Campaign in 'Spain and Por.
tugal..
The MarqUis WELLESLEY Could not• exaaly. . see
the necessity of producing the pipers called for by
the Noble Lord. It 'would occasion much trouble
to. prepare .them; but that should be no reason
with, him for 'objeding to the motion of the Noble
Lord. .

The papers were accordingly ordered.
The Bills on the Table were forwarded in their
respealive stages, after which the House adjourned.

HOUSE OF COIVMONS,

THURSDAY, MAY 10.
PETITIONS FROM READING.
Mr. &meth,/ said, he held in his hand a Petition
which he was happy to be able to state to the House
was couched in terms very different from those which
'had been - presented of •late. While stating their
complaints, the petitioners did not forget the respea
.due to the House.- They allowed the House to
possess not only the right of committing their owu
Members, bin also that of dealing so in certain case&
with strangers. They appeared to feel, after hearing
the able discussion which had ,taken place in that
House on the subject, that whatever might be their
opinion of the proceedings of their representatives)
while their doors are open to Petitioners, they ought
not to be approached, insult. Petitions-.drawn
up like that which he held in his hand,, would,-. be
hoped, always be received .by that House, The
`Petitioners dolibted, whether if to commit an offen-
titer Was not wrong in itself, the House ought, in' a
cake of iinelis to proceed in any way •but by a trial
,by Jury: They probably were not aware that the
ilduse had no organ of its ownby-which a prosecu-
tion could be commenced; that they could only-ap-.
.ply ;to. the Crown for the,aid pf the Officer of the
Crown, and that. if his services, were granted by the

• Member f -•• Crown, , bringing soon a ea-se before a-Vury, would
eeet,y of Sir Francis- Burdett or any. o your .
. .- . , ,
._ in faLt be abandoning their privileges to a July: Of
-I."cir4ament. •
vial. by Jury he would .:IwayS skak with the greatest i'` The toni of my former letter_Was.the'Ro46-,
Itlence of -I - b printed' -.. 1 iitqn the i.' respect and admiration. It was, as it
tle a over,- port—vk. let • - ,--- ,had justly
! e7.5i11.,,,et). called, the palladiom of our•rights; but if a
to • • ' , . •
ne ii to be, lowered. or ra:seo, must 'entfilir
i"J'ury sh9uld be_called upon to decide on'such a case;
rend upon. yOnfself, as f feel myself bonniicT c n,

dour and honobr not to take the Teport. irzi 4c
lapon any aUthoriq hUt your own.
" My,letter*.is left at-your olub-hobse, because
could not kart' !here, or any whete else, the
'Place of your res!dence. .
" I am, Sir, &c. &c.
• " O'CoNNEa."
Faddox.sirett, Hanover-square.; Mat 7.

May, 7, ato.
. ,
" Sit—l hive received your letter of this day's •
date, ih which you state,.that,l have heett reported
tri the Parliamentary Debates to hate represented
• You as a person " unfit fur the society of Sir Fiancis
Burdett or any Member of Parlianic,nt."
Althunglt I can never 'consent to consider my-
responsible .for expressioOs alleged to love been
used by. me by the Reporters bf Parliamentary De-
bates, yet feel no
.objection to say, that I never
inae use of thole expressions.
"it is impoSsible for me to recollect., at this
distance of time,, the exact words used by me in
the debate to Which you' allucle;.; but in order to •
convince you that I have no disposition to dfsavovv
slay sentiments' which I may have expresseirip :Par-9
Lament, I shall not hesitate to state the.stitAii4e of
*hat I said, Whenever am req4ested to d 4, So in a
• manner which can justly be considered as .itife)tcpp-
tionable. Lain, Sir, &c.
" W. H. LYTTLETON."

e yoir did—not
.apply the expressions to
toe the Report of which in the Parliamentary De-
bates was offensive to me, and under which im-
Aresston my correspondence with you cornineOidl?'
do not feel myself authorized to call upon You tor,!.
auY further explanation. ' • '
•,"-
"I am, Sir, &c.
O'Cox-sit

tlalf 8, a to.

•
Yesterday morning; at six 'o'cloek-, a desperate
battle was fought in Shoulder* of Mutton Field,,
Hackney, between a coachman of the -name of
Stubbs, and a journeyman bakei-; near Kingsland,
tiatued White-, for twogtlineas a side, when the con-
. test was sustained with cepa]; courage fin fitly tni-
tlutes, hard fighting, but at length- the baker: gm-9
uP to the sui erior strength of his antagonist; being
tilmost blinded in both eyes:. The combatants were
• conveyed to their respeetive habitations by their.
Itiends, very much bruit., d.

Clot: for 2,lleforrn; others, Vesicle 'electors, on such
-hn'occasion ought to be lee in (0 make the;r
:plaint, as those wilb exercised the electit-e franchise
Could hardly be expected, to, C,implain. He woni.i
not enter into the question as to liteflp-m.„tilltht: con-
tended that the right- of petitions..; for 'a .fteform
was in effect almost taken away, if none but elec-
tors were suffered to Petition the House on the sub-
ject. 7 •

Ur. St mcthsr, in ekpianation, said; that though he
was sorry the Constitutional Body on all °cc:l4'l6l'os
called on others, he did not deny That -every
yidu4 had, the right Of petitioning at the Bdr of th,lt
HoUse.

The Petition was then brought up, and
.aftei
few wnrd's from Mr. Ward and Mr. SbawLefevre,
ordered.to lie on the table. •

On' the motion of Sir J. Nrcot,i,, certain papers
on the table of the House, relating to• the Baiiic
convoy, were 'ordero to be printed.
Mr: WnAilTON'obtained leave to bring in a Bill
for 'preventing fiauds exporting froru one
part of the United Kingdom to the other.
The Aberdeen, Harbour Bill was read a third time,
and !vassed. _ _

'LONDON DOCK BILL.
The third reading* of-the London Dock Rill being
moved,
Mr. H. THORNTON OppOSeci it, on the grounds
that sufficient'compensitionwas not Irropo,ed be
given to those who might sustain injury in conse-
quence pf,,the belng passed: He wished the
third readingof.the Bill should be adjoarned fora
few days, as the Chancellor of the,. ll.sx.cheglier jiigqd
not made up his mind- on the subject.; and conclud-
ed by moving; that the debate 5',...0u1d be adjourned
to Monday next • • •
The .CfrAtsipEL,Lort. of the EXCHEQUER had rio
objection to the adjburnment 'of the debate till Mon-
day,.:butdid not think he '02.4.1,1d make up his mind
on so difficult a question by that time.
THORNTON proposed postponing it for a
longer period.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER could not
imMediately gi‘e,the subject his attention. •
Sir THOMAS Tun-ToN- thought it would be well
to adjourn it for a 19nger period. The Chan-
cellor •of the Ettchequer had an erroneous idea
of the subjeet. The compensation originally given
was not sufficient, and now nearly a million was
to be added to the capital, it mist complete -the
rain of the individuals to whoin the former compen-
sation was granted, unless a-compensation boas now
given in proportion to the increased capital of the

company. He hoped the debate' Would be ad-
journed, and that the Chancellor -of the Exche-
quer would in the interim turn his mind to the sub-
;eat.
Mr. MARRYATT was of opinion the original ca-
pital was inadequate to the charges of the.concetn.

~
itl -t
fazed pronounce that to be nolibei which that ..House '. He thought the capital ought to be increased, that yil
-Yes ,had,,pronounced to be a libel,
,toe verdict of a Jury ' they [night Complete their works, by which the.pub-
:would be set aboye the decision of apt Hothe.. The • lie would he benefited. - He- thought 'a sufficient
opinian of a Jury of twelve men' would, be set- above . coespensetion had been granted, and that they would
that of 650 Members of that House:" The decision be very bad pliblic stewards if under all the circum.i.
of those who from their wisdoas and talents had been stances of the case they granted more.
chosen to-represent the people would be.disregarded, : Mr. ROSE made a few ObOervatious
,on the sub=
-arid that of a Jury, consisting of 12 Men, Set above jeer. • . .;.
an. How the petitioners, who reposed so much : Mr.,WHITBREAii thought the Ziebatd ought to be
.confidence in • the- 'House; who .trusted all . that ' adjonrned, but he objected to.the Bill altogether.--=
was most dear to them to
,their RepreseetatiVes, ' it the statements w Welt helield in his hand were true;
should feel such apprehensions of the e:ser- and he did not know that any they contained had
me or anc‘i a power; In :a -case so- rare, by those :' been contradieteil, the power ofelie-c,oropany ought
in whom they had•such confidence, he didnot know. ' not to be increased but rather abridged.; He tie-
He concluded by Stating the petition to come from derstood that they charged inditiduals most exorbis
eespeciable characters, whose motives he belieied to tent sums, and: when actions had been brought
the be good. • against them, agreed to submit the point at issue to
' Mr. SHAW LEFEVEIt seconded the Petition. He , arbitration, and then departed frOm the agreement •
,
defied the most fastidious.person to find fault with again referred the platter to arbitration and acted
the terms in which it was couched. It was voted the same part
,again,' This was stated in a petition
at, a Meeting called by. the Mayor of Reaslioks,which to that HoUse. Other complaint's ' against them,
was numeryosly attended, and at which the Petitiou equally strong, Were contained in a memorial pree
Was unanimously carried. On the matter of the Pe- • sented to the Lords of the Treasury, which he read
titiob, he might take another opportunity of express- to the Boase. He did not wish the.COmpany to be
.
~ ing his sentiments. condemned, on what he had advanced ; but, .atsall
The Petition was then brought up, and read by events, the debate ought to he adjourned; to give the
the Clerk. It was, as described by the Hon. Mem= CoinPany time to clear themselves from these charges,
her, couched in very respeClful terms, and conclude or afford the House an opportunity of doing- justice
ed praying • for the discharge of Mr. Gale Jones.— to.them.
Ordered to lie on the table, i Mr. MANNING doubted the truth of these charges,
, . Mr., Strew LEFEVRE stated; that at that very I,butlf- the Cliargei.eouldheprOi74l:he should be ready
meeting another Petition had been voted, which had to join with the, Hon. Gentletnatato prevent the re-
been transmitted to him to present to the House currence of such grievanees: If -the Hon. Gentle-
. The Petition which he held in
.his hand called for a man 'stionld move for a Committee to investigate the
'-Reform in,_Parlinnent,, complained of the'present subjed, he would be ready to second the motion.--
.;krepresentation of the people, as being inadequate— He then spoke of the purposes to which the sum
alluded to the melancholy . circumstances of last ,j proposed to be added to the capital was proposed
year; and to the words of the Speaker on the :sob- j to be appropriated, 'and concluded by supporting
`jeef of the purity of election. 'lt complained, that the motion for the third.reading„of the Bill.
.too. many ,placemen and pensioners.hatseatsein. that ' Mr. W. SMITH thought such enormous injustice
House -that Parli -lent-was of too long duration, t bad been done throegh_aenisconstruttion of the M.l,
and swished triennial Parliatnent4 to be restored. It ; that the case of those wh?'-complained ought to be
concluded praying fOr such Reform as, would restore ; re-consdered. The condo a q the Londnn Dock
the HoOse to the confidence,. 6f the ns w
ti6n, and make Company had been such,. that he knew. they had
it 'what' it is' considered by the Constitution-e-the , or- paid 7501. tax. costs on actions brought against them,
..
gan,,of thepeople. ' to recover not more than 2001. rather than go to trial.
,
Mr. Stmeoi t. observed; that the requisition had , This he could prove-frem documents which-he held
called on all the inhabitants to attend the meeting. ;in his hand. These sums were no sooner paid thin
lii consequence, themeeting was not entirely coot- . they resulted to their old ,praalices, hut charged more
- pcised of those- tvll,o paid scot and lot—oftliose VvLho.. than,befere. 11c-cause it had been admitted that the
were in tea the-foundation of that House.. It Areas- ' chsyk,es..at, present made might in a few iyears be with,
the fashion for those who had constitutionally a righi
• to at tend, who '. Pr()Pr?a:Y increased, they thought themselves at li-
to tisch,a meeting to invite others herty„itse raise them immediately, and departed'' in
had not' t hai political importance So give their 'salie-' :. May .from those rates, which had beeh settled in
tion or reprobation to the acts of their representa, APril by arbitration. He then adduced several. in-
fives.- 'lt was a'sort of suicide in those who had the stances of their extortions acid stated the law Charges
elective franchise to call on others, beeaose it an- which they have been obliged to pay to ' have
swered their purposes. for the moment, -to carry amounted (in the whole) to 40001. He was dist-
certain resolutions, which were 'hardly.,known to posed to oppose the Bill altogether, but
of the
but at present he
. any one but the individuals who drew them up, and shouldcertainly vote for the postponement
had them' cut and dried _ready to be passed, unani-l- eibir4) .
w
mousey as it as called,..that is, .without discussion,' . L.4ir. reading. .
E. i..'NATCHBIIIit, agreed in the necessity of
.by intimidating those who might wish to oppose J.P9stPonenlePt!,fpr the purpose of introducing the
:them, as it went to give their .power to others.— clause. He hoped the Hotise.would haVe no objece
Though they were bound' to protect the lowest. Ition, as-.the period was so short.
equally with the highest, this system was in hiseispie t Mr. :IAWKINS BROWNE thought that the charges
nion most mischievous, mid would be productive of were delayed too long ; they were. of such a iia-
bad consequences if it went on, and the multitude , tore, that even if the Bill was not. thOught of
were suffered to increase and overpower the voice they ought 'to have been prockiced.' t The sum
of the ConstitUtional' Body.' With these obset ea-. , proposed, he was convinced, was not more than
fleets he seconded the motion; not binding himself : adequate.', I ,
to give the/ Petition am farther support. • ;''• I. - Mr. WniTna.E-An did not: believe that next Mon-
.-'Mr, ~..
W,
OOD trnnderstood last Speak.6r to say.t
. ,
11 q; :i ~ day, woula atrmi:suflicient time.• lie rather thought
Constitutional Body, the Electors, had alone the
{Lit. would be necessary. to postpone it to, Monday
right of addressing•that House. ".l.'hat was Llll4pubt!. -so'nnight, :He said that there was a Gentleman in
edly the case where the: acts of- their representatives, L the.-lobby by .Whose authority he had
.it in his power
were the subject- of their &liberation, but or nO7 to contradict the accusation of the mixed nature of
other occa,"ion. If the,
speople had a ri&ht to Yeti- , the charges. . ---. ..„

Mr: ts.Mcott , '7 !^,
, 4
;*.
11`,11Se; niore ititd1•••;:11,e
the. _people ini;;111 !Tilly
a word, th gn:at end t... tl to be
private intert.st; winch tt wt‘.6 tiic dut) 1-louse
ttil?roient, • .7

W:dSt

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I~1r; MANNING 7thcP;i4it, .that if the Uorn.rnitte6
was revived,*.it ought to beunshack.u..

MI. ACOBS said Ina' this question, deserved -thq
mature consideiition of the House.; he would them•
fore cote for its pOstpout meta.

. . ,
A d'Ai3ion was thtn called for) when tbei:e. ap-
peared,

Fur the postpozietr.ent
it

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Maiority -
•
The,-Bitvai then, of cburse, read a third. time
and pflpsed-;= _ •
A messlge frpm the Lords announced their asp
1,, •
sent to several private Bilis.