The Sun.
London, England, 1828-06-11 00:00:00

Constitntion, every Member of this Trout* is tehelfles
an adviser of the Crown, and all are bound to give the°
advice upon'ills:miatisii brOughti tsi•fli're it; in such. WAY
will best tend to preserve the Protestant Church in it
present state.- I repeat, that every Member of tide Hou',',
is betnd,,to give. such advice is he may think best oda'
lated tee, uphold the Protestant Church of this county
NoW, can we, my Lords, expect that that would he:
by. the Roman Catholic Peers we are called upon to adf
into, the House? In the same manner, the Alembars
the Piivy Council are bound to give such advice as .v
best, maintain the Protestant Religion and Constitut'
This was the reason that my Right Hon. Friend, to .wl
I have already alluded, in the Bill 'of 1813, was -'
of excepting the office of Privy Councillor, mid it was
by a considerable majority. We have been told, my Loi
that, all the great Authorities are against us—that we go'
have. to contend with all the great talents 'that ever
vocated the Catholic Claims. Talents as great, el°'
quence as spleudid end powerful, as ever were conabint4
fur the accomplishment of any political purpose, ha'
beeu combined on. this question. Not content with tO
talents and powers now . ranged against_ us, iefereod
is had to the past.• The names of all the great -123 A
who have spoken on this subject have been brought agaiBl ' ,
us. Will you, it has been said, set up your judgment agiiiall
that of Pitt, of Fox, and of all the other great luminerie
which have spread lustre on the English character.:
and raised it to its present high consideration in forth!
countries? But, my Lords, I say that the authority 6
these. illustrious names is, in the present state and poetur
•of things, entirely in our favour.—(Hear, hear, hear. )-
Every thing now turns upon the word " security." Satief,
me that there is no danger to the Constinttion—to tit
Protestant religion in this country—to, the Protestant Go
vernment, by the admission of Roman Catholics, and I tv;l
admit that no Member of a free Government ought to re
fuse their admission. But when we find that security
refused—which, in my opinion,. 1 think I have clan I,
shown that it is, when the Roman Catholics want to le
admitted to power without restriction--I say that we else
the opinion and authority of all the illustrious indiviaals
whose names have been reeved against us, in our favor.--,
(Hear, hear, hear.)—They are not against us; but fe us.'
—(Cheers.)—lt has been said that Mr. Pitt was an Ivo-
cate for Catholic Emancipation. Ile was so, I emit ;
btit, in all his speeches made en that subject, in all bile'
written, he had argued in favour of CatholicEinanciplais
but with such securities and such guards for the Peoteant
Establishment and Government, as would place themout
of all chance of danger from the abuse of the power this
Catholics would be entrusted with. In making this suer
tiou, my Lords, I do not depend on the authority of s-
ported speeches, but am hot ne emit in it by a recent pa?
livation, to which allusion has been already made 41'
the course of the debate on this subject. I have reasoe
m believe that this publieation -WAS made mainly for't?
purpose of making known the letter of Mr. Pitt whit
it contains. Mr. Pitt in that letter states in se mar.`
Words, that care must be taken that the Catholics did n't
abuse the powers with which they were to be investeei
that the Clergy must be under the superintendence act
oontroul of the Goverment. Now, my Louis, the Catholies
renounce and repodiate both these conditions; they will,
not submit to anything of the kind, If then the object or
thiremeasure is tranquillity, even if it be passed it is clear'
the object will not be attained, for the iufluential persoo'
in Ireland will-not allow it to be tranquil except on their
own terms.—(Cheers.) Mr. Pitt, it, the letter to whicl!
I have referred, says, that the Clergy must be supported
by the Governmeut—they must have a pecuniary allowance.
,--I do not recollect his precise words, but I think he.
says they Must have a pecuniary allowance under modal"'
tions and restrictions. Now the Catholics are ready to re
ceive pecuniaey grants ; but only in such a form and taw n
ner as would render them entirely independent of the 60"
ye/enient. That WAS certainly not 'Mr. Pitt's intentiBT
He could not have meant that the grant should be so mod,'
fled and restricted as to make the Clergy the mere , IN,
and slaves of. the Government; but it is idle teeamiefB):4
that he meant tn make them so totally iudttendent of the
Governnient, 'as to take them entirely front under its o°'
troul. I say, then, my Lords, that I am justified in nil i
aelertion, that, according to the present position of thiveit
Mr. Pitt, so far from being against us, is wholly for use'i,
(Hear, hear.) My Lords, in a mariner still more enleba*'
tie than Mr, Pitt, did not my Right lion. Friend, the 'at
Mr. Canning urge this point. I cannot mention hisllB'°‘
without expressing the great regard I had for him. Fr°"l,
the first moment I formed a connection with 'line with o,°,
exception of a short interval, arising from an eeeimlesitel
mistake we were bound by the ties of the closest imietidal,l/11
ee-In.every transaction I had wialsehina. he pursued thB`,
straight-forward and meanly course which marked his -clw ,1
'eider. The terms in, iThicli Mr. Cannistgeareeeeis chi!'
opinion of Mr. Pitt were atill.aaore explicit and copion°
than these -of the letter Statesman. Ile said distinctlP
that he would grant the Catholics nothing, unless with'
the isiost ample securities, I do not speak of the terou;
in which he expreaSed himself in the debate on the 1111'
of 1825, but of those which he used ir. 1810. The se"'
tiroents he then expressed were repeated by him still More
strongly in ISIS, and were reiterated in Wit in terms s°,
distinct as to ledee it impossible for any person to miitiAr
his meaning. I state this with the more confidence, 1:1',,
cause, in the other House of Parliament; on time eceal"'"
of a discussion on 'this question, I referred to these sAntl'i
merits formerly expressed 'by him. I was not coneradi"l!.)
by the Right Hon. Gentleman, and therefore I consider;
him as acquiescing in the statement I made, and any N°l',, ,
Lord may satisfy himself of the correctness of it by ow?
ence to the debates of the period I have mentioned. ''';',
Canning then is also, under the present circumstance', 8,
authority in our favour. Again, Mr. Grattan, in talki°,',
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of the provisions of the Bill of 1810, said that seculiti's
were absolutely necessary. If, also, Ide not nmisinterpr,,,,g
what was said by my Noble and Learned Friend 011 °I
Cross bench (Lord Plunkett, we believe), he, although 0:9
so strongly as that gentleman, yet expressed 114.0011 j,
coinciding in the opinion Mr. Grattan had. The N°.',.,
Earl who sits near use, too, expressed himself of a *Aur"
opinion. The illustrious and distinguished relatiVe °,,
Noble Lord on my left, Mr. Fox, entertained the sauce °Pi
pion. All these great authorities, then, are in favo"L°
our view of the question. I will now, my Lords, u,
leave to direct yenr attention to another topic. Alu°l4,
the other means which have been taken to influence .e*
even our national prejudices have been appealed te. "
you not, we have been asked, do that whichie done ie oth'i
States of Europe? Will, you be shamed by Russia. an
Prussia? The 'example of those and other States has beef,
Pointed out ; but their case bears no similarity to 00,4.
--(near; hear, hear.)—There is not the slightest, not I
most remote, connection between the circumstances °
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ecfilEibeste:rie::
this country ' and of those M whicb antlsiou has ber,
made. No one can doubt for a MOinent that power
may not be safely entrusted to Roman Catholic rile;
in - Russia, for the Monarch has only to Infer a w°,,e
and every one of them would be swept from the facei:o
the earth.--(Hear, hear.)--But, my Lords, ewes 10. t •
s .10'
state no per Son is allowed to enter into the reds* 1e"
tical state, or assume ;Loy Mei-whited dignity, eeitholii
the previously expressed approbation ef the. Soveigigp•
ap,
is the veto which makes the distinction between this c°,...4a
try and that, for we are told that if the veto were insfsre
upon for the Sovereign of this country, it wOuld,creat: it
bloody insurrection throng,honalreland. How then i,.10
possible for the advocates of the Roman Catholics,,,°o
this fact before thein, to urge the example of Russia m eet
us turn then to Prussia, which has also been pivot' 14
to us? Here, my Lords, I find the Catholics so sureeo;:a
with restrictions of an aripiirtiiv•aill•eygensatltivhrei,chtlitahteyitaiit.Xicf;l4.
hie for them to abuse the
to enjoy. Were the Roman Catholics of Ireland tit '''' ‘t
restricted, they might be entrusted with the poseeB4°°lo.l
any authority . they desire. Not, a Iliehop is appg'' tee
there, not a parish Clergyman can officiate, without,
iir
sanction of the King-. It is the same in Canada. poi I
visions against the Catholic civilians are astrine-ent,;oo`
may be allowed the use of time word, there, as in any 7 sic
States' to which I have adverted. Besides, the Cat.m,s(l s
‘iivfiiaiirsstt,alle Catholics, as far from considering it ears
population in America has nothing to gain by a slraq,:e
esstruoinfixotitlievesgiiii)vrectlit!azthyencif,
tiia: 4j
would exert them sufficiently
isffi,eelcnvieetsiltiteo:
rtl.e/PerCletthillliolkeounps'll
for that purpose. They now claim privileges for thaeieee
erit as a duty to exert their endeaf- 0.
have the power, they, y
toleration to the Protestants. I am not influesemd 14 ;:yr
feeling of illiberality in whit I say. I should be sorlosi
one expression of that kind to escape my lips, bit I sBl ear
it a ditty to take adeaptage or eyr tee
circumstance that would aid them in esttblefld°le es
supremacy of their Church. In conseqaence 01
...e
feelings they imbibe in early life they think c° sal:,e
fire too great to accomplish that object. lint we e-of
told that the Catholic religion has lilidegOnF a gf„J
change since these opinions prevailed. Are stSl 80 s.„'y
of this, so- satisfied of it,—(llear, hear,)—as t" ul-rd
the certainty of our opinion a ground on which to legiserlailie
Let us look to what has been passing in Ireland (111,1" o ea
last eight, ten, or fifteen years—let us examine the s.l);ee
which prevails there with respect to the Protestant Chore,
—let us for an instant hear the language they bold witnheilie
gird to this country—but first let us look to the en ", ey
of the Catholics of that country at the last period rthBey
were possessed of power. In the reign of James 11' eitY
for a short period possessed absolute power and autlee 0
in that country. Let me m.lll to the recollection of a
House how that power was exercised. Never was then

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