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TIE E;CIi

Of WC
Late Lianotirable

ON THE CATHOLIC QUESTION,
DELIVERED ON THE 13T11 MAY, 1803, IN TIIL

HOUSE OF COMMONS.

The House having proceeded to the order of
the day for taking•into consideration the petition.
Of the Roman Catholics of Ireland, and the pe.-
titian being read by the cleat at the table,
Mr. Fox, in a speech of considerable length,
moved, " that the petition should be referred to
a Committee of the whole house."
After the qtiastion had undergone much disCus,
ion, Mr. I'ITT, at a late hour in the second
night's debate, rose and expressed his sentiments
as t illows
Differing, Sir, as I do, from the [lon. Gentle-
man who proposed this motion, and differiog also
in many respects from several.of those who have
opposed it, I feel it necessary to state shortly, but
distinctly, the views, the motives, and the grounds
upon which that. ditn:renee of opinion is founded.
But in doing I cannot retrain from .express-
ing, in the first instance, the very great satisfac-
tion I feel at the teniper and the tooth:F4ton w4h
which the motion was introduced, and with whirls,
for 'so many reasons, 1 am particularly desirous
that. the discussion should be 'ctinducted. Hall ~y
atrt I also, that the manner in which the subject
has been introduced, has relieved me flouts the ne-
cessity of entering at large into those general
principles dud gronnoi %Oen the question
was discussed before,• I • telt myself• compelled
'to do.

I °lnert'e with pleasure, that the application
mode by the
petitioners has• not ben advanced as
a- claim of.right, but of expedieicy. I observe
also, with equal pleasure, that she lion. Gektle-
man has argued it firm that ground ; not that I
mews to infer that the 1-I'qr. Gentleman, has
abandoned the opinion lre.held tharsubjeet,
hut that in the anotett inn of the principles which
have governed his conduct, he has thought pvo-
per to discuss the gni-vino noon the ground of
.expetilepcyv That k the gropoll.upon which I fed
lie-Measure ought alofie to be iiiscoised for I can-
not allow that, at any lime, under any' Circumstances,
or under tray possible situation of affairs, it ought to
be 4hscusseil or entertained as a claim or question
of right. I, sir, have never been ntte•Ot• those
who have held that the term emancipation is, in
thettnialletit degree, applicable to the of
the few remaining penal statutes so which the
Catholics are still liable.' But, poasibly, in my
view of the grounds of exrdieney, I may think it
to he much more contra:li.,tiotNished from. the
onestiomot right than the Hon. Gentleman does.
Lle seems to consider that there is only a shade
of difference between the expediency and the
right ; whereas •my view of the DIFIttatINCE
is broad, evident, ANn FUNDAMCNTAL. I con-
sider right 'us independent of circumstances, and
paramottntt9 them, whilst expediency is connect-
ed with circumstances, and, in a great mca• tire,
dependent upon them.
With regard to the admission of the Catholics
to franchises, to the elective frtinehise, or to any
of 'those pests and,oftices which have been alluded
view all these points as distinctions to be
gieen, not for the sake of the persowand the in-
dividual Who is to possess them, hut for the sake
of the public, for whale !Roar they' were- cleated,
and for whose advantage' they are to be exercised.
In alltimes, therefore, and upon every oceasion,
whether relating to the ItoinanCtitolie or the
PrOtestant tliSienter, to the people of Ireland, or
to the people of England„l have always, from a
due regard to-the Constitution, been of opininn,
that we are hotind to consickr, not merely What
is' desired by a part, but what is best and most ad.
vantagenusfin' the whole. Arid thciefdre it is,' t hat
I think it not snffidietit to shetv,*that :what is de-
manded is not' likely' to be prejudicial, but that 'it
is proper to take a coinprehensive'view of all she
circumstances connected with it, whether they
relaft to the time at which the measures is propOs-
ed, the manner in which it is cliicussed-, or the
effect that is likely to follow from the discusSion.
Thitt, Sir, is my view of ecintemplating the pro.
priery of acceding to the wishes of the Catholic's,
(Jr of-refusing thetn; It teal upon that principle
Olt I felt satisfaction iti the repeal.Of those laws
against the Catholies which hive bee'n-abolished
I tettainly stn
and- htur.o the'abolitotti of which-

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not 'one who iefersthst danvos to the cutoltry.
with which scrim!. Clemlemeo seem. to be so deep-
1Y inißresscd, lint, deeply as I felt that Satisfac-
firm,” also felt 'that in no 'possible case pretioo,
to the Iloilo) could the Privily2es !tow demanded
Ins given, consistently trills a due regard to the Pro•
testa'st interest hi frelai:d; to the internal tranquil-
lity of that kingdom, the franßoil.. structure of
our Constitution, Or the probability of the per-
anthem connexion of Ireland with this country.
It is trite, that atter the Union I saw the subject
in a different light ; hitt whilst that event was in
contemplation I did awe, as the thin:Gentleman'
says, that the measnrewoold make a material dif-
ference. in my opinion b.ut hi has also stated,
what'is very true, that :ldid act make a distinct
pledge. .On the contrary, I believe the line of
pigment I took was, that if it sktnild be thonght
right to give what the Catholics required, it miebt
be givett eller the Union with snore safely to the
Vimp;re ; or if it were thought proper to refuse
givioN it, that it might then he.refased %Ohmic
prudueiog those disastrous co.nsequencrs %%Lich
!night have been apprehended betote the Union.
1 come, then, to the present discussion perfectly
tree and unfettered. -I certainly was ot opinion,
that under an United Parliament those privileges
might he granted under proper guards and condi-
tions, so as not to produce any daoger to the
Chutch, or TUE FttoTESTANT CoN-
sTITUTIoN. And I remain this day of that opi-
nion, and I still think, if, from other circum-
stances, there was no obitet lout() complying with
the demands ot the Catholics, and if by a wish
they could he carried into affect, I min I see none
ot those daageri which have been urged by some'
Gentlemen,' nor do I think that the introduction
of a eart,sill piupoetiost.of Catholics into the Im-
perial l'arhament would be likely to be productive
tit any intlae mice or effect detrimental or injurious-
to time welfate of the State, or the s-sfcty and se-
curity of the Constitution.
Rut, Sir, in delivering this frat,k opinion,:t do
not mean wilfully to shut asi eyes to this conrietitm,
that a hoWever honourable iris nitro-
, tion3 may be; must feel anxious to advance theinte-
rests of Ititi religwu : it is in the, very nature of
man ; he in ty disclaim and
_res ounce this wish
tor a time, hitt ihere is no man, who is at all'ae-
(planned wish the tperations of t 4 heart,
w o does not know that t!.e Catho it; rnpst feel
that anxie:y whenever the power and the opportu-
nity may be faCourable to him., Rut, it these guards
.toil couailions to tm hie!, I have elluded had been
apieied, and which, coniti.imy wittlidS have beef!
ocettipil Ihed, it would have been my endeavour to
nave applied, - firmly believe or danger would have
xisten, and uo.injuryeotthl have been apprehend-
ed. I thought so on grounds diffetent from those
which lestve, hien stated by others, not because
as Catholiest they had heeOengaged in any of the
scions proceeding the rebellion. I do not mean,
hoWever, to s-ty, that the Catholics were not
engaged in it in greater numbers for the reasons
that Int%e been stated.—l go farther; though ja-
robio principles were the foundation of the re,
hellion, vet I do not mean to deny, that the in-
fluence Of the priests themselves, tainted with ja-
colnn principles, might not have aggravated the.
i ail, though they were•not the cause of it. My
idea was riot. to apply tests to the religious' tenets'
of the Catholics, but tests apelicable to what Was
'he source anti foundation of the evil, to render
the priests, instead ot making them the ittstru-
mews of poisoniug the minds ot the people, de-
prudent
.in some sort 'upon the Government, sad
this bilks as it were, between the govemment and
the people. That would have been a wise and a
compreirettaive system ; that would have been the
system which I should haVe felt to be my wish, tool'
thoeght it to have been my duty, to have proposed.
I neeeri -thought that It would hare been wise or prim-
dela to hare thrown down rudely or abruptly the
guards and fences of the Constitution ; but I slid
think, that if the system I have pilloried to had
beep deemed proper to be adopted, it might to'
have been acts)} patiied V with those checks and,
guards, and with every regulation that could have
given additional respeet and influence to the Esta-.
Wished Church, to the an/apart and -protection of
the Protestant Interests, and to the tneoutagenment
of Beery Measure that could tend to propagate and
spreadTßK totAMPLE oFTHE PItoTESTANT RELIOIoN.
These 'were time geueral views and intentions Vett-
lettaioed. 'And if, Sir, it had been possible to have
found that generyl concurrence which I so anxiously
desired ; If I•coold have Cart it'd them' into effect -
in the manner have stated ; if persons of more
ability and experience than myself would
have digested them, I am still- inclined to
think, that, instead' at being attended with
those dangerous consegnences which 'some
U,sotlemen opprehentl, they would have afforded
increased security to the Church, 'and have been
I'4%ot:table to rite welfare of the Stioe,-to, the sta-
bility of' the Cons:o'6l4m, and • to the. general
strength and interest of the Enipiee.
But when I state this, 1 must also remind the
}loose, that' 1 considered the period of the Union
as the period faisOurable fur the adopting of sudi
it Measure, not bee-wise any pledee had been given,
hut 'becaose there was a greater likelihood that the
mettinteinight be 'adopted after the Uoion titan
before it. The peritid was lavottrable also meant,'
other account, favourable-from the meant itopres-sions Out might be expected to be made on men's
inittilt,- of the probability Of -increased security
from the I.7ition ; from being amalgamated and
corporated with the Imperial Legisla int e,' remote
from the dangerous influence that might at' times
he supposed- to operate upon, and cterawe the lo-
cal Legislature of Irelatuf. Sir, I repeat that it,
under the recent impression. oft he se cis St
I could have brought forward the ovastire as time
first fruits of the Union, I ShOold these
tnight baYe'be6i a tliapc sitloa to teceived-it

without re•kittriliw;
or reviving those cot:t.entittly, insetts, bet weell
Catholic anti Pthitst,it►t,' tyitene vet' they do
exist, are ►no4.3t atlyerie to. the welfare, the pros-
perity, nut! the liappitir4vrit StlllP.
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'ids w,ts the view in which 1 considered this
most.importout subject.) these were the objects
which /wished to attain ; but circumstances,
lot ttinate cireitrustatices, in my opinion, rendered
it at that perio'd impossible to bring forward the
measure in the. way in which I then hoped it
might be practicable to bring' it forward—in the
only why itt yooth I think it ought at any time to
be brought forward-7-in the only way in which it
could be brought forward, with advantage to the
Claims of those whose petition is now nutter con-
sideration, or with airy hope of reconciling-all dif-
ferences, of burying all inhnoslties, an.; of pro-
ducingthnt, perfect union, in the advantages of
which Gentlemen on all sides so entirely concur.
What he cireumstattees were to. which I allude,
as having nt that time prevented me from calling
the attention of Parliament to this subject, in the
utarrner and with the prospect which I wished, it
is not now neeeisary Int, we to state. All the expl.l-
- which I' thought it my duty to give, I gave
at (hut time—more I do not feel. myself now call-
ed upon to give, and nothing shall induce me to
.cuter into further details upon this subject. . I
shall, therefore, now content myself, with stating,
that the circumstances which made the feel that
it was then improper to bring for Ward this guts-
tion,' and which led to the resignation of the
mletitlistration, have Made ad deep, so lasting an
impression upon my mind, that, .so long as those
circumstances continne to operate, /shall feel it.
a duty unposed upon me NOT ONLY NOT TO BRING
PoRWARD, BUT NOT IN ANY MANNER TO BB A.
CARTY IN BRINGING FORWARD Ott IN AGITATING
QUESTION.

"laving said thus much,-Sir, upon the opinions
I then entertained, and upon the principles which
then, and I trust always trill, govern my contlecri,
think it right to tlif, that the whole of the
plan WhiCh I had formed, the whole essence of
the system which I meant to have proposed..wo
a measure otiteace, of union,_ of conciliation-=a
measure which I did hope would have had the ef-
fect of softening down all religious t'.aerences,
elf
extin4ttishing all animosities, and of uniting all
men 'if both rel.gions in one common zeal for the
preservation of the Constitution, and for the nte-
ncraJ
IHlpincss and prosperity of the Empire.--i-
--not, desirous as I then was of proposing this
measure, and sanguine as I was in' my hopes'of
its success, nothing could he further I,ent iti-
tention than to bring it forward, if.ii,there did not
appear a rational prospect of ifs being carried, (nett
with unanimity, tor'ttpon such sit important sub'-
iect that 1 kuew wns impossibie) BUT wyrn
NBRA/. COl4CUtittntiCE, because I knew, that, ip it
were brought forward under other eircumstanees,
Instead of producing the effect I wished, it would
only tend to revive those animosities which I w hilted
to extinglii,b, to aggravate those difficulties which
I wis'ted to,remove. Not beintable, front
the circumstances to which I have allotted,. in
propose the measere which I thonght likely to
productive of Such effects, I did theft
form the determination- not to press it at any pe-
riod, unless I thought it cotiiii l e done With that
prospect of success, and with that general concur-
rence, without which it can neter be beneficial.
When Luse the term general 'concurrence, .1 ton
sure I shall not be sopposed ever to have beta so
visionary as to imagine that a question of such inr-
tuense importance, and upon which men's feel-
ings and passions are so strongly excited, could
ever, be carried with pet fect unanimity; but
mean with that general coneorreitee which would
have enabled us to gratify the wishes of ape party,
without awakening the fears, or exciting` the :leaf
lousy Alf the other. ‘‘'ll.ltever gentlemen may
thiok of the abstract rights of the petitioners, or
of the expediency of complying with the prayer
of their petition, I am sure they will agree with
me in thinking, that.the chance of extinguishing
all those animosities w hick hove tinfortamstely
prevailed, and of producing that perfect onion
we all wish, must depend ilium thesombi-
nation of circumstances under which the measure
is brought forward. Not Itavisig in any degree
ehanged my opi itioti upon his subject, regnuding it in
the tame point of view did then, and retaining the
same feeling, [must say, that at the present montel;c.
I think I see little'chanee„ I shcutel rather ,5.0 y I sec
'no theinee; of its being carrier/al all, certainly not in
that way which I meant, and in which way only I
think it canbe productive of real advantage to the
petitioners, or of benefit to the State; 11 mieun eats
a measure of peace nod conciliation:
If then, Sir, the qties'hut is not now to be car-
ried, I think that to. agitate it, under such circum-
stances, will only tend to revive these dissentious
Which we wish to extinguish, to awaken all that
warmth- and or:rime:fly of discussion' which :has
heretofore prevailed, end to excite those hopes',
which, if - they Are to be dis:ippoilited, tll4y the
productive of the greatest mischief. 16 the
chanee
,af carrying the question at present milt
ge-
ne,al concurrence, at gratifyitig the Catholic,
an. Offending the Protitstents, or eiotfirming the
affeetions, of the one withmit "raising the suspi-
cious and exciting the, feats of the rafter', ne.tt only
in Veland inq'isvEngland, I eonftss there appears
to' inc to be pone: I lament it as much as any matt
cando. lament that the impression
rprevails has taken place; marry ciremusu o tne hare
combined to productsthat impression, of
are to be iicpioeiL I nal atly Gentleman whe-
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or thet\lembers or the EStablisheil Church, of the
of the turn
.of property, of the mid-
Ming suet respectsahl; classes ot sot icr ask
whether tie does not believe, looking cut the
sentiments of the mass of the Protestantf this

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OREATEST VEVUGNANCR t, rois measure, stud
that even if it could now be castled, so far
from producing .conciliation and ittnion„
_it' would
iend, 011 the contrary, to disappoint ell the pro-
kpecis of advantage which under other CiTCUM-
fitaiices wool(' be derived front it t Leven those
gentlemen who have argued the must strongly in
favour of this measure have candidly confessed,
that, in the present state of men's minds, it is nat.
likely to be euried. • I stn Stlire't shall not be COD.
traditted when I say, that ever since the union
'tins subject has in a very considerable degree at-
tracted -public attention, and that of late,
,net-
withstanding the other events which have occu•
spied the public mind, it has been the subject of '
notch coniersation both in public and private,
particularly since the Catholic Petition has been
presented, and since the Hon. Gentleman has
azivett notice of his present motion ; and I should
disguise nay real sentiments if I. did not say that at
present the prevailing sentiment is strongly against
this measure what circumstances may occur to
overcome that sentiment it is not for me to pre-
dict or conjecture.
speaking of the probability of carrying this
(fustian tit this time, I cannot but advert to what
tell from the Hon. Gentleman, who opened the
debate this day, respecting the decision which took
place last night in another place. I know per-
fectly well that no man can mention the decision
• of another branch of the Legislature, for the pur-
. pose of infinencing, much less of runt rolling the
.decision of this House. I know there are many
instances where differences of opinion have pre-
vailed between this and. the other House of Par-
liament, in which the sentiments of this House,
in concurrence with the public opinion properly
expressed, have ultimately prevailed. lam as far
.as any man, Sir, from wishing not to hold high
the ondotiltted privileges of this House ; but if I
am right in my general view of this subject, I
think the determination to which I am alluding
:ought not•to be laid out of our consideration, be-
cause it goes to Ilse very essence of the measure
itself, I mean as far as relates to the practical ad-
vautages. that are to be derived from it. Sup.
,posing, then, that we were all agreed as to the
vropriety of granting the prayer of this petition,
•ss it
.not our duty to comider what had effects
„might be produced by the marked difference which
,would then subsist between this House and the
other branch of the Legislature upon this sub-
ject ? If carried at all, it Ought, as I have al-
ready stated, to be carried with general concur-
rence; and tillet, an endeavour is made to carry
a measure, the object of which is to conciliate
one part of his Majesty's aubjects, care must be
taken trot to shock the feelings of A MUCH LARGER
CLASS Or THE Coststoutrv. Under such circum-
stances, when such an opinion has been given by
another brattsch of the Legislature,' we are bound
to take it into our consideration its deciding upon
the line of conduct we ought to adopt, because
this is a subject in which no man can act wisely
or prudes:l'ly who acts entirely from his own views,
or his "own feelings. It is his duty to his coun-
try, to the Catholics, and to the Cononunity, to
look at it in a combined point of view, to cm,-
slider all the. probable effects, which the carrying
fof it (if it•tiVere practicable) with such a strong
aeatiment prevailing against it, or which the failing
to carry it fluty produce. Upon this curt et the
Subjoet there. is one point on which I wish to Say
* few words.

it has been urged by, some Gentlemen, that we
ought to go into a Committee, whatever we may
resolve to do at last ; and Some of the , minor
grievances wider which the Catholics are said to
labour hue been pointed out, upon which it is
said there cue be no difference of opinion on the
propriety of granting them relief —such as the
tireemstaore of Catholics engaged in a nulltary
life ectulog over to this country, and who are
thereby exposed to the operation of the test act,
to which they are not at home. Another circuits-
stance which has been mentioned is, that the Ca.
Altolics in the army are not only not to be allowed
-to have mass performed, but they are compelled
to tltteutl protestant worship. Sir, I contend that
these poitits are much too unimportant to induce
tts to go into a Committee upon a petition which
embraces the whole of this kuportant subject, and
which excites the hopes and tears of all the sub-
jects' of the tioited gingdotn. I again repeat,
that I do &meat that this subject has now been
Itraught finward; 1 lament for the sake of the
Catholics thetuselveS ; I lament for the general
Interests of the cooutt y. that Gentlemen have
thought proper to agitate this subject at
this moment. That Gentlemen have a perfect
604 to exercise their imigatent upon this
scilicet I do not deny ; I do not complain
of their conduct ; I only lament that they
144%71'; felt it their duty to being it forward at this
period, and under the present circumstances ;
. when, if they were to succeed, the consequences
would not be such as we all desire, and, if they
fail, they may be such as we must all reeet._

And 04w, Sir, let the ask the Honourable Gen-
tleman, who has brought forward the present =-
don, aad who &tidy avows that his object is Tare
eieese Tlit,tO SHOULD BC CONCBOBD TO TIM CA.
TitUt,ICS ; let 1110 ask the Honourable Gentleman*
evicts supported the motion last night with such a
eptendour of eloquence, what effect this is likely
ast produce upon the Catholics themselves / When
„the Hortourable Member, or the Hoourable
,Mover of the question, talks n
of the effect of dis-
aPpuintitog hopes that have been raised; I trust
they have oeer-vated and exaggerated it. But one
of theveticatleaten did etate, that amongst the
possible CidtlBo, ofareligious feeling having mixed
atoll (operated is the leti rebellion, might be enu-
merated. the hope' held out by Lord Eitzwilliam,
that the chtints of the Catholics would be taken
into consideration, They alledge the disappoint.
ment of. that hope as one of thst causes that might
li4Ve tended to prtulace the rebellion., If that he
tneir conviction, whavonost they think; who wish
t n go into a Committec,,upon the petition, and
yet are tit-opinion that they still reserve to them-s
ativ‘a the freedom of rejecting it altogether, or of
rejecting it in its most important parts 3 I submit
this to the consideration of. the House shortly,
bat digyinctiv • it rests upon grounds an obvious
and so strong, that it will t.:e taking up your time

'• Mr. (';ratan.

Irvin them. t submit
this with a wish that the measure tvlien brongirt
forward will be carried with a general +concur-
rence. LSt,t the circ,
ogistauces which LaVe
iii-
thctto.retracted it imposSittlefor me to urge and
pressity'snake it iitpossible for' me to urge and
press it now ; feeling as 1 do, that to press it and
to fail, or to press it and even curry it with such
strong opposition, ate: alternatives, both of them
so- mischievous, that it will be difficult to decide
between them. Seeing, Sir, what ate the opi-
nions of the times, what is the situation 'of men's
minds, and the sentiments of all descriptions and
classes, of the other branch of the Legislature',
and even the prevailing opinion of this. House, I
feel that I should act contrary to a sense of my
duty, and even inconsistently milk the original
ground upon which I thought the measure ought
to be brought forward, it I countenanced it touter
the present circumstances,. or if I hesitated in
brining my decided negative to the House going into
a Committee.

tITIITCCCISSI

to agitate

~„

INDIA.

MADRAS GAZETTE EXTRAORDINARY.
MONDAY, JAN. 13, 1817.

•
On the 19th of December a hotly of predatory
banditti, amounting to 6 or 7,000 horse, entered
the district of Ganjam, and advancing rapidly on
the town of Kammedy, set fire to it in several
places, and committed great depredations there
and in the surrounding country.

EXTRACT OP A LETTER FROM MAJOR OLIVER,
COMMANDING A DETACHMENT OF THE 6TH REG!.
MEND OF NATIVE INFANTRY, DATED KAMMEDY,
Dec. 21, 1816.

" 1 have the honour to report, that about .five
o'clock yesterday evening we were surprised by the
Mahratta horse entering this town. flaying only
Lieutenant Tulloell with me, I sent hint to take
post at the other end of it,•and from both our di-
visions parties were sent out to the different streets
to endeavour to keep them out of the town. We
had a continual skirmishing for about two hours,
and some men and horses were killed in the
streets. A little after six o'clock, Lieutenant
Tweedle, who had retreated upon my detach-
ment, arrived, having marched all night and
that day, having been surrounded by them from
eleven o'clock in the morning. I found it
im-
possible to save the town, as they galloped through
and set fire kt in several places. At 11 P. tit.
Lieut. Jackson, who had been stationed with his
company about 16 miles off, arrived, when con.
sidcring myself strong enough to give them un
alert, I left Lient: Tweedie with two companies
in a strong position, and having procured two
Peons from Mr. Spottiswoode, who promised to
thew me the road to their camp, about a mile off,
I put myself under their guidance, and am
happy to say we succeeded beyond my expecte.
thins. We were actually fu the middle of
their camp before they discovered us, and we
gave them two volleys from the companies within
ten yards, which did great execution ; and it
caused such confusion among them that they fled
in every direction. We traversed their camp and
killed (1 should imagine) from twenty to thirty of
them ; they left. the greatet part of their baggage
on the volt ml, and this morning there were about
a • hundred horses running loose about • the town,
and we have killed and token about 70 horses. •
Lieutenant Tweedie, when he heard the firing,de. •
"itched Lieutenant Ttilloch with a company to
take post on the bank of Tank, for which they,
appeared to he making; this was such it•t one*.
peeled manoeuvre, that a party of them galloped
-up close to Lieutenant Tulloch without discover—.
ing hint, when he gave them a volley, awl killed
sbme men and horses.

TO THE ADJU'T'ANT, `2T) BATTALION 2D. REGIMENT."
have the 'honour to acquaint you,
for the information of the Officer connnaoding the
Regiment, that, after 1 left Berampore I received
information of 1000 Pindaree horse having been
seen in the "neighbonrhood of -Hatugur. Ise.
cordingly marched in that direction, and came up
with them about eleven o'clock, encamped
.in a
plain a little to the westward of Boyeranny, and
tucceeded beyond my most sanguine expectation
in completely surprising them : they fled in the
utmost, onfusion, leaving behind them 20 men,
50 horses, swords, spears, shields, and part of
their heavy baggage, &c.
I have the honour, ttc.
(Signed) ' A. BORTH WICK, •
Licut. commanding Detachment ed Itegt
(True Copy.) (Signed) IV. ARM.i !TONG,
Licut. and Adjutant 2d Bet. ed Regt.
Boyerbonny, Dee. 28, 1816—Six A. M."

EXTRACT OP A LETTER NOM LIEUT. BORTH WICK,
2n BATTALIoN 2n REGIMENT, DATED COLAR,
.I ST JAN. 1817.
'' 1 beg leave to acquaint you, for the informa-
tion of the Officer commanding, that I have just
received information, that the body of Pindarees
whom I forced to retreat on the 20th ult, took the
Ballapilly road (which lies a little to the west of
this) at Nowgaum, and joined the bOdy that
passed this place the same evenillg, at a.place
called Budinghy, seven coss north of this : so it is
now all over, or-from what they have experienced,
,they know better than to allow Infantry to come
up with them again.
" It is supposed by the people who brought
me the above information, that at the late at
which they were travelling they must by this-tithe
have crossed the Duspilly Gitaut, consequent 4, for
me to tollow than up would ;be harassing ail the
men to no purpose. However, 1 have sent in a
Havildar and 12 men to hurry any stragglers who
may have fallen on the rear out of the Compaoy's
territory as fast at possible, but do not expect that
they will come up with any.. received a letter
last night from the Milikaar of Guillary, saying,
that they passed that place on the 30th ultimo,•
with the utmost expedition, leaving behind two
wounded horses—and .another letter from Bel-
goonta informs me, that the Peollll of that. place
have caught in the jungle eight Pindaree horses,
and that not a Pindaree was to be Steil alive on
3lst ult, to the southward of this..
" I have-the honour to he, Sir,
" Your most obedient servant ,
- (ipsed) a A. 1301M1WICK,
" Commanding Detachment 2d liattarvm, 4d Jtvgitaiiit."
" P.S. Since the above letter was written, the
Havildat'a party mentioned in it has returned tram j

THE SUN.

SOLES! QUIS DICERS r, I,llly AtnyRAT)

LONDON,
TUESDAY, JUNE 3, 1817.

MS BRITANNIC MAJESTY'S CONSULAR OFFICE,

CORUNNA, MAY )4, Isl 7.
The following is the translation of a Letter
received at this Office, on the 13th inst. at night,
from ANTONIO Tom4sovisit, master of the l3ritish
schooner Fanny, of Gibultar.

" Camarinar, May It, t 517.
" SIR,—Qn the 9th inst. a schooner, with a
red flag and a sabre painted thereon, entered this
Harbour. After having examined her, the master
said she was a privateer of Tunis that bad sailed
fmth thence iii company of a corvette and a
frigate, in search of Algerines, with whom they
are at war, adding that these are in search of the
Hamburgbers. The Authorities of this place de-
manded her papers, and they produced, h my pre-
sence, the Spanish Consul's pass, and a printed
certificate. They desired water and beef, in order
to sail immediately, which they have not effected,
and it is now three days since that there were two
large vessels in sight.

6' I Rin this moment informed by a person of
strict veracity, that on Saturday, at j after G in
the afternoon, he saw 2 ves.leis in flames about a
iraglit and a half Of Cape Turinsia, oat pretty

d
k

large, the other sman ; toe
burning about an hour, the other bail tha tr
I was upon the point of !ailing, but base not
so on accouut of the suspicious spiterantlt
these vessels, and have thought proper 10 el
" e Ott
yon this information by express,
acknowledge the receipt thereof by return 0(1141

11/11/IC.

(Signed) " AICTO. TOMASOVISI4, -1
" Matter of the British schooner Fanny, of 0101
1
"It, ALLEN. ES 4. H. D. M. Consul at Coruna*.
eceiro
" P.S. Accounts have been since r
the schooner carries 6 guns and 60 tnea."
te,i,
oral
SVe received last night and this m,
Paris Papers of Friday and Saturday last,
1
Journal des Debars, after being sospernla : ;
(fay, Was allowed to be published on Satunilik,
has conic to hand this morning, but ot‘„
is allowed to be said in it, or In any doll
nal, respecting the reason of the Suspentoth!.
' :0
following are extracts :--
" ere 1,
PARIS, ArlY 31.—Preparations
at the Hotel de la Iteyncere for ',the retell!
the Duke of Wellington, who is 011)0
day. His Grace will,stand sionsor t0!1d,,,
of the English Ambassador, ant will alsell
;
sent at the banquet to be given by
_..i.:e
on the 4th of June, in honour of dig birth
the King of England.
.. ,'
1
Further intelligence from Trieste stitt..:
General Sp.vary has been pliced in arniliiittl,:
a town in the interior of Styria. ''
" Six fires have broken out sueeessiyeif .
.
a month in the Department of Holt 1144,::;
one of them, in the *light of the 6tb initiati 0,
Ammertzecincr, three barns were rivstrle.4;iiij
leePiasll/171
five mendicant children,'who were $ „ 1
of the barns, were burnt to death: ill
" We learn from ?Marseilles Oa Pli."
' The Chevalier de Lesseps, charged by bitsi)„,
jesty with a mission to the Weror of *to"
to obtain the export from thence of° et 4
tity of wheat to France, has arrivedherli A
.. Iva $llO
W
having obtained, in the name of I" '
could be desired,'
of(till'ehleial,.disjilglipasnderiptleire'erniciende;sb;;;lill. I:llbielieli.ll'illeif
1 ~.. got 010 ,
and soldiers in different parts of Fri.k,...' , Ito 011
the dearness c)fprovisions,_baye,°„/.1;?,1 o'c'f'
Civil
-
Ciiil Lisi an additional ry of 11`;'—'00444
each sub-officer and soldier who COO _..,..C.
1.1040057 i;
ordinary pay provide the meat?s°' tAglOl5l
" According to recent advices 111113 ,„ big
' ~ r ISnii" 'O.
and different parts of Italy'Se'" 906'
OW ill ip.:'
have been obliged to return with I . lad
dotter: N 1.
Eli
consequence of the new
that they are equivalent to if
*
s merehbndixe.
W
6.11. 35c.

Fire‘ pet; Centt.---Thursd4,
ot6i:nito.hpießl,.ll thatA,' l‘ss, nr AY
e v el n 8 't
--b
laldre 01 ec
: :: rter' I°
: et
i.e°'lle 51
I'L°l-Igic:l
ef NT
Hit l''' "1!
ssean Legation, svbieb to b brig
At 1
uenc's' cotal
Prwlitetive of serious conseq
of
' I augYlingsorn some
out,t nta°h:jedt a tinti:orictguceattsntitstre:lgittlrre::::: ilri:::.,'
of 11,- bore!
were •
people a the Embassy, .'th wh°l" th /
, f the v ,
'tfohbeloßwa Baron nTduleoSittrZoi :Ito) Ifj)' e°norPinics;l:isit:::::i°2- ::(:°0 ca„
The
mandant of the Bostangis.. The Pic
g., the • •
not discover the offenders, but offeteJet"
ro i
nister to strangle immediately, in the 'lat. •
)1. the Bostangis whom he would poi'lt ', t'
f id
was with much difficulty that this act °
justice Was prevented. ti .
.., ~,, lull r
MAY 2 1 .—His-Imperial i‘lale"' iitioce
the Regiment of Lindenau, not .' tbe
Parma, as reported, bin to his sowie.li%/'' '
Prince Royal of the Brazils.
berrgr lAsltAatllell, rtjltlit; itlitlievop2p2o.--siti;t:Lttblectricinserful'eAtiecr,,Se.%,:eiltr,i'le'lc:
Ives by P
vouring to strengthen themse tio
, sly N
some other branches 'of the noire' tar .1
sod, 1.
dition tes Prince Paul) to join them' ,
sup„pcosoerdettihretx:tsat:eis would be &WI/ea' f
MAY 1 7 .--111° Pau: of k,
vonsbire is arrived ,here lit- the h°
Forster." ,
--.....5aw0'
Cent. Ce°ol 1 f
Tar. FUNDS.—The 3 per lot -
this day. Much busioesi ho pli
, at
price remains steady : they ape Pe
- 4 '
Pe
Money, and 73ii for the Account' t fr,
bceeennt se. 0
ne whichat will shot on Tlittoti'l ne% '
r 4
We ba v e gi ();
vs;9' the
hi
its Pa
o rice:
eth tel; ip:Antr::l'.::°46:::,.,,s 0'1;1
some interesting extracts Iron - ins' )
tions Big' ,
zette, relative to the late opera ,
~tt
Pindsrees. . ilt iv'
----4""----
The question that If
oiiiii atghietiltdeloalletteliofill::Sitte:.!;
house of Commons,
to succeed Baron Cot.eself`crtt, 19 °lle, cb'ilt
i , floto.,
Daly to oil- ,t t
great importance, not cioity 0
the interest, the 1100011 r, and t"
641

II

and it must
,afford a high grdtirication
fiend of the Constitutym, to rcflect Ant
iet In which that question Was agitated.
of the appearance of party violence or
was observable. It was an amicable, but

81

iilcussion on the merits of the respective
'3. Thefriends of Mr. MANNERSSUTTON

,omage to his private virtues, as well as
lien for the office. The same liberal
Is paid 'hy the friends of Mr. WYNNE to
'nt, and the latter has the gratifying
that if any other Candidate except
'ER3 had been proposed, that he only
'e been successful. But this is not the
Yiag consideration 'arising from what
the respectful and honourable manner
he Candidates spoke of each other was

Prenive of feelings in the highest de-
lahle to both. And now we may fairly
it an honourable, such an enlightened,
,roux and dignified mode of proceeding
0 have marked the discussion and the

House of Commons formed upon
pies of Universal Suffrage and zinnua
? Universal Suffrage never could have
ngetber such a dignified Assembly, and

[Eaments woul4 have afforded no ()prior-
he Assembly to judge of the talents,
Ige, the experience, and the virtues of
ne for the office of Speaker. Every
lent tTonld most probably have pro.
SPEAREn, and hence no official know-

have been acquired, the rules and,
House would have llised into neglect
,ce, some ambitious Demagogue would

the day, and the best system of Go-
'er devised by political wisdom and
would have sunk into anarchy, ruin,

Ject of the Catholic Claims, or in more
!'4.llTti, the pretensions of PurEILY to re-
poweer in this country, is of so
Id so alarming a nature, that we have
fluty to present to the nation the
which Mr. PITT ever delivered in
this momentous topic. It will be
Illustrious STATEMAN, in the year
•ed the subject as unfit to be brought
we would ask if its introduction at
be more seasonable ? On the con-
tin of all friends to the Protestant
s considerably increased since that
evident from this Speech, that
:TT ‘''As disposed to remove all re-
the Papists, that might be removed
;It the welfare of the Empire at large,
Aug that could be construed, in the
to affect the great, point of PRO-
,IMANCT. Weed, what Mr. PITT
!Hod applies so exactly to the pre-
4ings, it skews-
- Such large discourse--•
Ire and after

ARANDOWED.

lily and godlike reason"—
be estimated as the effect o

are persuaded, wilt make so
T.41111445i0n upon the nation, as the last
1,-14Y of the Illustrious Statesman in
4 4'
lite.
t_ envoi-,of his Country, the best
14444 ':ue eligion, that we have ordered an
nnnlbet of our Paer to be printed thi p s
r the
n_
Itttat:ccommodatioo of the friends of our
11111Ment it) Church and State.

'Net.
w0,,n„...
,•,-",timi Journal has not, as we
-11fiavotired to make some atonement
t'vered r
L'llll,l L'c'hp CtrAwcau.on for haying de-
-1,11:4 L 0... ip was party to an
. intrigue
11114%.1, uLun for the introduction of the
!Ilt
t `ceN734Ncir, as one of their toasts,
/ '1"1
i hot
with insinuating, that there is
I-
•TIoN 14 in Government. All we
44 wt 'ltWe 110pe SO, and that on due re-
', 1411 have aNo roimay Administra-

.t.
itp it, .......suchum.......
tiqrt, )"cusa, Esq. one of the Solicitors
'14'11,e4:7Y. i 3 to succeed JOHN BECKSTT,
111, 11°11)e Department, the latter Gentle-
tteeclik, It ‘..
'Att . -4r. iIIANNERS SUTTON as Judge
.iltt,
, e not _ _ ---,.....40,„„"_ .
:'tit,' "IY to frame an higher testimony
udo
1141tql. 14 and villue of one deported Man,
, •
4,114 viret:enni.tnatis consent of all the %%us'
Athe Inti{/Illiell have survived him, should
tvi4ll i'lNted authority of his principles
il.l-44,, ampleex
of their actions. The
T, t -,a,,,,
yti
nl)ie national welfare have be-
% tlfieti me,' , ~ •
'4l i lid the politics of Iliftt.t.tAm
a (41 . '
`'it,t 1141derin,, What is honourable tor
1i:,,, .rat
or he
k f tteficial we scarcely do more
1,1,,,k , .
tlll.ll ln tits opinions, and forward to
' s, ~,
L'iltiht Meyerhe.
..Paine of any other Ml 3
Set : and, pursuing as we do
,
i
i

Ll* it 'IS !lilt Illy:0;00S tI) VIV , !hat t
fdine of no other man can teccire this glurio

consummation,
On this proud eminence WILLIAM PITT stands
alone. Our. living wisdom is his follower, not
his competitor. It could do nothing more than
achieve the triumph which he proposed, and
maintain the safety which he devised. As under
his guidance—speaking even from the grave—we
have vanquished the foreign enemy, so must we
also put down the- domestic foe—a conquest
which certainly has neither the grace nor the gra-
' titication of Triumph, but which is not less ne-
cessary than it is painful.
It is indeed a deep misfortune, that ihe revolu-
tionary spirit which Mr. PITT'S foresight de-
nounced in its birth, which his energy resisted in
its maturity, and which his counsels pursued to
its destruction, should have found such speedy re-
animation. • Yet, let it not therefore be said, that
his labours were vain, or that his course is to be.
retraced : we have only to urge forward upon it,
as he would if living.

Revolution has been put clown in the West, anc

t now rears her crest in ►.he South. For this
calamity, perhaps one fatal error, whereof the
confirmation occurred immediately before Mr.
PITT'S first assumption of office, and for which he
is wholly irresponsible, is alone to be blamed.—
When the cancer's core w,►s probed into, and seen,
and examined, and understood, and left unextir-
paled, nay, established as a part of tl►e system, who
shall wonder that the venom again spreads, and
again demands the cautery and the knife ? Who
shall promise that the morbid parts may not again
"en, turbulence ►would have been I infect the sound ?

But of all this Mr. PITT is blameless. Sc, also
are the Ministers, who, with no more power than
he possessed, will effect the security that he once
before effected. They will—it may be confidently
promised—they will prevent that mischief, the
punishment whereof might be useless, itnot im-
possible. They will use the strength of the State
to defend the State :—and, as THE LAW is valu-
able, not for its OWN ABSTRACT SAKE, but for its

GENERAL PURPoSE OF PROTECTING THE NATION,

they will take care that it shall not be PRESERVED
for its own DESTRUCTION. At least, the respon-
sibility of the neglect will not rest upon them :
they will have fulfilled their bounden duty ; and
the decision will rest with the Legislature, wns-

THRR THE COUNTRY SHALL BE RESCUED OR

In this alternative, let us hope that the princi-

es of Mr. PITT may still be. followed ; that

those doctrines which have counter-revolutionized
Europe may now save Ragland from revolution ;
that those exertions, which, in the emphatic lan-
guage of his youthful disciple, Mr. I'eaL, have
punished " the despot abroad," may now pre-
vent " the demagogue at home:"

Thus will the noblest homage be paid to the
memory of our great Minister ; and thus, if the
spirits of just men made perfect do retain their
earthly cares and affections, our departed guardian
will continue to us his posthumous protection ;
and, under his never•dying Councils, ENGLAND
WILL ALWAYS SAVE HERSELF AND THE WORLD.

Letters _from Catalonia, received yesterday,
mention that General MILANS, accompanied by
Commandant Don Joss Quell, of the Tirtufares of
Tarragona, was in the mountains of San Grao with
6000 men and 18 pieces of artillery.
.The want
of arms alone, it is said, prevent his numbers from
increasing, but the neighbouring. peaSants supply
all his wants. •

It is reported in the fashionable circles, that her
1114sErry intends holding a Drawing-room on the
12th instant, if her health permits.
Yesterday the Dicke of.Yoax transacted mili-
tary business with the PRINCE REGENT at Carl-
ton-house,

Sunday afternoon a Cabinet Council was hell
at Viscount Can-LaneAou's office, which was at,

tended by the Earls of LIVORPOOL and OATHURST.
Viscounts SIDMnUTII, MEL.VILLEs CASTLEREAGH,
Mr. W. Pole, &c.

Yesterday Lnrd CASTLEREAGH•was unanimous.
ly elected an
.Eicier. Brother of the Trinity-house,
in the room of the late Duke of
,Mita LBOHOUOII j
and the Earl of LIVERPOOL .was-.unanimously re-
chosen Master for the ensuing year..

A Circular was issued early on-Saturday, on the
part of Ministers, recommending Mr. MANNERS
SUTTON to their friends as the successor of Mr.
ABBOT (now Lord COLCHESTER) to the chair of
the House of Commons. The numerous friends of
Mr. C. WYNN were equally active in his interest.
There are now in the House of Lords no less
than four Peers who have successively filled the.
Chair in the House of Commons, namely, Lord
GRENVILLE, Lord SIDMOUTH, 'Lord REIM:ALE,
and Lord COLCHESTER.
Lord COLCHESTER, the fate Speaker, has two
sons. The eldest is a Lieutenant in the navy, now
on board the Alceste ftigate with Lord ASMERSTi
the second is at Westminster-school.
The PITT CLUB in Town consists at present of
one thousand three hundred and furry Members,
besides having several Candidates on the list for
admission. The PITT CLUB of Scotland, held at
Edinburgh, consists, we understand, of- upwards
of seven hundred Members ; but the number of:
Members of theTtovincial Clubs,in Great Britain
we have not been able yet to ascertain.

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