The Sun.
London, England, 1819-07-09 00:00:00

PROVJNCIAL JOURNALS.

Feeling the highest respact for the talents, and
having the fullest confidence in the attachment
of the Right Honourable CHARLES GRANT to the
general interests of the Empire, as well as to the
welfare of Ireland, we extract with pleasure the
following article from The (Dublin) Correspondent
of the 3d inst.
" The following is a more correct report of the Speech of
IVIr. C. GRANT, in the Debate on the Report of the Commit-
tee of Supply, in the House of Commons. on Monday even-
ing, than that which appeared in the London Papers of Tues-
day :

" Mr. C. GRANT said, he regretted that he was not pre-
sent when the Hon. Gentleman opposite to him objected to
the motion then before the House. It was the grant to which,
perhaps, least of all, he anticipated any opposition, because
its object was to establish that, which it was of the utmost
importance should be established in Ireland, viz. a System of
Prison Discipline. The House was fully aware of the great
advantages which had resulted from the new mode of regu-
lating and managing Prisons, which had been generally
adopted in this country; and that it ought to be introduced
into Ireland could not, he thought, be seriously disputed.—
example in Ireland of that new system to which.
'brht.r wasehradall nu
ed;he felt himself, therefore, not only justified,
but callen upon to extend to that country the beneficial ef-
fects which had resulted from it in England ; and with that
feeling he had proposed the grant then under consideration.'
The new Bridewell in Dublin bad nut hitherto been used as
a prison for convicts, and in now appropriating it to that pur-
pose, an opportunity, he thought, presented itself of intro-
ducing, under favourable auspices, the plan for the improved
management of prisons into Ireland. Those individuals in
Dublin who had most liberally and benevolently undertaken
to soperioteod this establishment, had felt and represented,
that all their plans of improvement would be thwarted and
frustrated, by the want of employment for the prisoners.—
The Irish Government were convinced of the propriety of
giving all possible encouragement to such. an object ; and,
therefore, it was proposed to grant the small sum mentioned
in the Resolution, to purchase implements of industry arid
materials, in order that the prisoners might be kept con-
stairtly and usefully employed. He had upon a former oc-
casion stated, that, in general, he objected upon principle to
the application of the public money to the support of those
Charitable Institutions, which he considered as the more
proper objects of private subscription ; but he thought that,
in a case like the present, when so favourable an opportunity
occurred of introducing the new system into Ireland, the Go-
vernment would not have been justified if they Wad suffered
it to fai) for the want of a small and temporary assistance to
purchase the necessary implements of industry. It was true,
that the Government might have waited until that object had
hen attained by the subscriptious of individuals—and he had
no doubt that it would have been attained by those means—
but, in the mean lirile, the prison would have been crowded
wit h.convicts without the possibility of employing them. He
therefore eid oat repent haying proposed the Resolution
for the cousideration of Parliament, and he could not
but think -that the Honourable Gentleman himself would,
upon consideratiOn, withdraw his opposition to it. With
respect to the grants for charitable objects, and for the pur-
poses of promoting education in Ire laud, no Gentleman,
it appeared to him, objected to those grants, or to the amount
of the sums which it wile proposed to give ; all that they
wanted was, that the money should he economically and
properly applied to the objects to which it was granted by
Parliament. Must of those grants had subsisted for a long
time, arid had received the sanction both of the Irish and of.
the Imperial Parliament. His Right Honourable Friend, and
predecessor in office, had last year effected a very considerable
reduction in them, and he (Mr. Grant) following that example,
had this year reduced them still lower ; and he begged now
to repeat what he had said upon a former night, that it was
his intention to enter, during the recess, into an investiga-
tion of this subject, in order to see whether any further re-
ductions could lie effected, and what regulations it might be
proper to propose. He hoped the House would not think
him presumptuous if he said, that he did not take blame to
himself, besiause, having had his attention necessarily called
to a great variety of most important questions, he had not
minutely investigated the whole of the complicated subjects
now before the House, and was not now prepared to say what
it might be proper to reduce, arid what to reject.—(Hear,
hear!)—No man could be more thoroughly convinced than
he was of the necessity of retrenchment; but he was at the
same Clint. equally sure that Parliament would never grudge
to Ireland the sums necessary to assist in maintaining her
Charitable Institutions and in promoting the great ob-
ject of Education, provided it was assured that the money
liberally granted was economically and effectually expend-
ed. He agreed with his Right Honourable Friend (Mr.
Fitzgerald) that upon general principles some of these grants
night be objected to; but it should not he forgotten that
there were certain circumstances and stage,s in society, in
which it would be unwise anti injurious to adhere strictly to
the general principle, and in which the assistance of Govern-
ment ought not to be withheld. Bounties upon Commerce
were not, generally speaking, productive of good effects; but
there were cases in which it was not only wise, but necessary,
to grant them.—lreland, both in commerce, and for the pur-
pose of education, required assistance ; and it was the duty
of Government to assign the degree of assistance which should
he afforded, and the mode in which it should be applied.
Parliament had hitherto acted, and wvoict continue to

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upon that principle, and wou!d, he was convinced, c"
crease its grants if an increase should he necessary ; "!giTar?
hnwever, exercising a tvatchful soperintendance over ti e‘
plicatioo of the money so given."
The same loyal, spirited, and well-contluce.a
Journals contains the following just and Pelt'.
neat observation tymi

MODERN REPUBLICS: yeti
The seeds of commotion are nourished in their
bosoms, and they shoot out upon all favourable occasions' i 1
1 Those in authority are better than those out of it; ;05,
the latter, always the more numerous, are working t° et,
place those whom they look upon, not as oOjects of resrom
but as objects of rivalry, to whom their own exclusion 'r
rs
the enjoyment of power is to be ascribed. The Goverl'ed
have 111/I'llllg to be respected by sett, invent, or holl",1,t it ,
through prejudice. They are the moral fungi of the just
and they must maintain their rickety and deciduous powedin;
severity, which aims at ruling by menus ot tear, Or by PP'
and intriguing, which throws them into dependance 011°00•
party, and which roust degrade and hying them int",chos
tempt. They never can touch the space between n-
ado
extremes of policy. The liberty and equality which n
Arie'ke;.
Governors, is a plea of promotion which every man can 01
and, what every man can make, is, seldom allovel er
remain long unexerted. The new Republics are the l',gat.
culations of adventurers; and adventurers in Gover"::00-
are like those in all other undertakings, they act for t' or,
selves and for their followers—and the people are sonlY dis.
sidered as the instruments of their vengeance, or the '-ea
jects of their systematic rapine. Nothing can
stand °P.L
the basis of a modern Republic, framed de noes ill Ire
o'
school of the Rights of Man. The foundations of it Intl'tll...
laid in blood—for the fabric is monstrous; and all the
!Dents, habitudes, and practices of mankind, must be
cleared away before it can be attempted.—Possession, titot
thing—right, but a nause,—and, as far property, it is Iftoc
common ObjeCt .at which rival villainy and contending e"
unite in aiming. Nothing has time to take runt—nothintro.
left to futurity and riruse—every man works as if his din.
were his eternity—Nature is not suffered to have a Il"thiti,:
the new scheme. After every little pause of rest, the Inn', ~,'
cane conies in faithful destruction--the. fruits of industry 4'o
again scattered to the wolves of Revolution, and the Os
monsoon of horror subsides, when there is nothing left
be -ravaged.
" Had the contrivers of the late attempt to foundaGo.ll;
merit upon Universal Suffrage and Annual Parliaments slit'
seeded -in England—had the Spanelds' Congress, the Pio
tingham Legislators, and the Life Guard; of. heforturt,o.
Blanketects of Manchester, been success-nil—instead of 51'4
a contest fur spoil or for stipend, as was exhibited a:,7,,
Crown and Anchor Taverns on Monday, where Hard; />„
son, Jaiets, and divers other disinterested Patriots, disPli,-to
for the leavings of the contributions that were subscribed r
support their friends in the strtugle against the Law, we, sst
haps, should have witnessed a competition for nobler
'Peltr/
no
and upon a scale ut suitable greatness. Instead . rths„iitil
cbruplaints against penurions rewards for screening 0r,„4
offenders—instead of ten-poundeom peiisations for treasoaco
five-pound premiums for insurrection'. we might, pettaps.
rd,
seen Ducalestates disputed tor, and Lordly dumainsderna':` I '
as the rewards of services rendered to the cause. We nt`P„V,
perhaps, instead of the sour discontent of a muzzled frat,d;
have witnessed a grand re-action, and the penurious
ters of the hungry virtue of Revolution deposed in their Woo
and Ovine, place to others as worthy as themselves-40d,ies
might, without. living long, see Governors and irttocouna•oi
swept off by the unsparing hand of Republican justice, ain„,
the place of power occupied by fresh successions of as disor
terested Patriots as ever fastened their fangs upon °;,„4
men's properties. Happily it is not so !—but, if it be ipg
it will not be for the want of persevering efforts to br
things into this condition of simplicity"