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will be another opportunity afforded him, or any otl.er
Hon. Member who-may choose to do an, of presenting
petitions against the principles of this Bill, even before
going into Committee on the question of the endowment
of the College of Maynocith. But at the same time he
felt bound to say that, undrr all the circumstances, he
did not think it urst-asonable that he should prrss on
the question at the time he had given notice of his inten-
tion Of doing se. .

Mr. T. D'UNCOMBE would wish to ask a question
of the Hon. Member for Sheffield (Mr. Ward). It was
this. Would he not be in precisely the same situation
in making his motion at the time he had now stated as
if he brought it on to-morrow in accordance with his ori-
ginal motion ? In his (Mr. Duocombe's) opinion he
would, and, theretbre, he would wish to ask him, did he
intend to give up his motion altogether ?—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. lII.TME begged to ail: the Speaker whether it
would be competent for him to move an amendment at
the same time that the Hun. Member for Sheffield (Mr.
Ward) moved his upon this question ? •
The SPEAKER said that the Committee on this Bill
could not entertain the motion of the Hon. Member for
Sheffield (Mr. Ward), otherwise than as an instruction
to the Committee, which instruction he (the Speaker)
understood would be to the effect that the support of the
College of Mayncroth should not be defrayed out of the
,Consolidated Fund ; therefore, if the motion of the
Hon. Member fur Montrose should be to the tame effect,
it could not be put, as it would be impossible for the
House to give two such instructions to the Committee at
the same time.
Mr. HUME—Then he understood that the motion of
the Hon. Member (Mr. Ward) was to come before the
House in the shape of an instructi.in to the Committee.

Mr. HINDU:I said he would wi3h to know what
course the llon. Member fix Sheffield intended to
pursue ?

Mr. WARD said he would state that to-morrow.
THE UNIVERSITIES OF OXFORD AND CAM-
BRIDGE.

Mr. CHRISTIE then rose to male the motion of
which he had given notice—" That an humble address
be presented to her Majesty, praying that she will be
graciously pleased to appoint a Commission, to inquire
into and report upon all matters relating to the privi-
leges, revenues, trusts, and to the state of education,
b learnin., and religion, in the Universities of Oxford and
Cambridge, and the colleges of these Universities." Ile
felt the difficulty of the subject he had to bring before
the House, but looking at its importance he did not
shrink from the responsibility. There was no sub-
ject that was of more importance than the one
he had now to bring before the House.
The subject of the Universities was one that it was diffi-
tuft to touch upon, but still it must be considered that
there were many points that were deserving the con-
sideration of the House. tie would now
refer shortly to what had taken place There
was an endowment for each Regius Professor of
2401. a-year. 'l'h re were endowments for the Lord
Almoners, Professors of Arabic in the two Universities,
of 6402 There were eighteen canonries, three benefices,
and various other pi-ces of preferment annexed to
different professorships in the Universities. There
were various canonries attached to the headships
of different colleges. In addition to this a sum of 5001.
a year was paid to eagle of the Universities by the Board
of Stamps and Taxes. The history of that payment
was singular. It appeared that in former times the
.Universities possessed the exclusive privilege of' printing
almanacs ; for the exercise of this privilege,
the Company of Stationers paid to the Universi-
ties 1,0001. a year. In the year 1775 the Com-
pany of Stationers declined to make the payment, and
in an Act which passed shortly afterwards, imposing a
stamp duty upon almanacs the Universities had
interest sufficient to procure the introduction of
a clause authorising a e ayment to them by the
Board of Stampe and Taxes of 500/. a year each. The
duty on almanacs had been repealed, but the payment
to the Universities of 1,0001. a year by the Board of
Stamps and Taxes still continued. Now no one
would grudge that payment of 1,0001. a year to the
Universities ; but it was only fair that in return
for payment made services should be rendered ;
and he should like to know what services the Universi-
ties performed in consideration of that payment. The
Universities shared with the King's printer the mono-
poly of printing Bibles, Prayer- books, and Psalms. For in
a return, which was made in 1815, of the value of Bibles
and other books printed under this monopoly, it appeared
that in each of the seven years ending the sth April, 1815,
the average va.ite of Bibles, Prayer-books, and Psalms
printed by the University of Cambridge was 21,293/. ;
and by the University of Oxford. 30,4171. ; calculating
the profit of 25/. per cent. which might be
considered as a moderate profit, it would
give 5,0001. a-year to Cambridge, and 7,000/., s-
Tear to Oxford as their profit from the Bible monopoly.
his monopoly was exercised under peculiar advantages.
There was no paper duty paid on the paper on %Mob
Bibles and Prayer-books were printed, and they also en-
joyed an exemption from paper duty on paper used in
printing books in the Latin, Greek, Northern, and
Oriental languages. The amount of paper duty remitti d
to Oxford on this account, for ten years, was 37,345/,
and to Cambridge, 28.2481, giving 3,7001. a year
to Oxford, and 2,3301. a y ear to Cambridge.
The lion. Baronet the Member for the University had
moved for some returns of the amount received for stamp
duties on degrees. These returns showed that the public
revenue had received from that source 2.730/. on the
average ) early from Oxford, and 3,3401. from Cambridge.
Ile thought, however, that the Hun. Baronet was hardly
justified in considering that as a set-off against the
evils which he (Mr. Christie) complained Of. The
payment of that money was made by persons who
matriculated at the universities and took degrees.
A master of arts had to pay 61. for stamp duties, but
he also had to pay as much as four times that amount
in fees. In fact, be (Mr. Christie), thought the stamp
' duties were a benefit to the Universitie e for ono and
a half per cent. was returned from the Stamp office,
and this was not given to the person who had
matriculated, but .went into the coffers of the
Universities.—(Hear, hear.) By the Copyright Act
a copy of every book that was published in the United
Kingdom had to be sent to the Universities. From the
evidence which was taken before the Copyright Corn-
mittee,
it appeared that this was looked upon as a
heavy tax by all authors. By the existing law i
an author could only possess a copyright in his own
works for a period of forty-two years, but the
Universities had a perpetual copyright given to
them in any book which they might pub-
lish. There were many other advantages which
the Universities possessed. They were exempted
from the operations of the statute of Mortmain. An-
other important privilege which they possessed
was, that with respect to the medical profession,
the Universities possessed the peculiar faculty of grant-
ing degrees for the purpose of practising in the ecclesias-
tical courts. The Universities also possessed the peculiar
privilege of saving time to the students for the other
law courts. for an individual who had obtained
a degree in one of the Universities had the
great advantage in some of the inns of courts of
passing through his novitiate in a considerable less time
than others could do. Another advantage which the
Universities possessed, and one which gave them consi-
derable power, was the amount of church patronage
which they held. The University of Cambridge held
church patronage to the extent of 305 livings, and be
saw by the Cambridge Calendar, that their aggregate
value was upwards of 113,000/. a-year. The patronage
of the University of Oxford was still more ex-
tensive, for it comprised not less than 440 livings. The
calendar of this University was not so explicit
as that of Cambridge in stating the annual value
of these livings ; but if he estimated them according
to the rate only of those in the possession of the Uni-
versity of Cambridge, the sum would amount to 308,000/.
a-year; and, beside this, they possessed privileges worth
not less than 173,000/. a year. Fn addition to
all this, these Universities were, in many in-
stances, by far the most advantageous avenues to the
learned professions, and in some instances they were the
exclusive avenues to those professions. He hoped that it
would not be said that the State had no right to inter-
fere with the Universities, for he had alway understood
that the State possessed paramount authority. But if
this were at all doubted, he would cite a passage which ap-
peared in a State document someyears ago. The documen t
to which he referred was a commission issued at the
time the Right Hon. Barpnet opposite was Secretary
o! State for the Home Department in 1827. It was a
commission for inquiry into the state of the Universities
in Scotland. It stated that several omissions and other
irregularities had been committed in these Uni-
versities and giving a power, under the au-
thority of " our sovereign Lord the King," to
inquire into and amend those irregularities. A doubt,
therefore, could not bo entertained of the power of the
Crown to interfere with the Universities ; and he
only asked the Right Hon. Baronet to con-
sent to extend the same inquiries to the
Universities of Cambridge and Oxford. It was
right that the State should see that universities
and colleges were provided with proper statutes and
laws, and that these were properly observed.
The llononrable Member- then read from an
Oxford publication an extract, to show that in
that University the statutes were very badly observed.
One point in which the system in operation
in the Universities principally differed from the
system enacted, and enforced by the statute, was that the
professors of the Universities who, according to the
statute, w re obliged constantly to give lectures,
the attendance on which was enforced by the same
Acts, now formed no part of the system ; for
many of them who ought to lecture gave
none at all, and those who did lecture could
hardly get a dozen pupils to listen to them. All the
education was now conducted by college tutors, who
were not controlled by the statutes. In the University
of Oxford the entire education was too much restricted.
He would quote the testimony of Professor Foyle, the
professor of theology, who having done all in his power
to obtain a class, could never muster more than six or
seven pupils, and sometimes he had no pupils at all.
The Right Hon. Baronet opposite could not say that
that arose from his incompetency. He published a
statement in a pamphlet known to the Right Hon. Ba-
ronet, that in two examinations in mathematics and me-
taphysics he found that only a small portion posseSsed
the proper knowledge, not more than three being able
to add vulgar fractions. In the year 1836, when an at-
tempt was made by a statute to increase the attendance
of pupils at the different lecteres, a statement ryas pub-
lished by Pr. Daubeny, the profeseor of chemistry and
botany in Oxford. With regard to his class in che-
mistry, Dr. Daubeny stated that his pupils greatly de-
creased in number; that for the eight years previous to
the posing of the statute his pupil: averaged twenty-two
in number, but that during the eight years subsequent
to the passing of the statute the number was decreased
to fourteen, and last year they did nottomoitnttolour-
teen. The Honourable Gentleman
thishen proceeded
to read a document containing statement
of Dr. Daubeny in support o tee
All the proftssorg of the -4gi,. 1 e 1. alseV,4.(lll.`i•
r va seience§ emir fgrwgrci

Mr. TATTON EGERTON presented several petitions
against the increased grant to this establishment.

NEW -SOUTH WALES.

Mr. HUTT presented a petition from the Legislative
Council of New South Wales, prayieg for an equalised
imposition of duty on all colonial corn introduced into
this country. He said that from the character of
the petition which he had to bring under the
notice of the House, he trusted the House would favour
him with its best attention. The voice of the peti-
tioners, as heard through this petition to the House,
came from a distance of no less than 12,000 miles
across the ocean, a compass which embraced half
the globe. The petitioners had heard that the
House granted a remission of duty on all corn
introduce d into this country from Canada, except
at a nominal rate, and they conceived that it was but
rig' t that all the colonial possessions of the British
Crown should be placed on the same footing ; and he
trusted that no invidious distinction whatever would
be made with respect to them.—(Bear.) The
Governor of New South Wales had received a dispatch
from Lcrd Stanley, fo: bidding the imposition of any dif-
ferential duties on goods introduced into the colony from
foreign States, and they conceived that while they were
thus precluded they ought not to be placed at a disad-
vantage with regard to Great Britain. They had also
'and they prayed that a
heard that the protection duty of la. per pound had been
removedsimilarp
rfortocmcmight Australian
bewtici
extended to the agriculturists
l
of New South Wales as was enjoyed in other portions of
the Bempire.
Capt. OSBORNE presented a petition against the pro-
posed grant to Maynooth.
Mr. SHAW presented a petition from Dublin com-
plaining of the difference of treatment. of the Established
Church in England from that in Ireland.
MAYNOOTII COLLEGE.

Mr. ORMSBY GORE presented petitions from several
places in Chestkr against. the Maynooth grant. •
Colonel T. WOOD presented petitions from Islington,
Hammersmith, Pimlico, Chelsea, and other places,
against the grant to the College of Maynooth.
Petitions to the same effect Were preynted by Sir R.
Ferguson from Dover, Lord Newry from Yorkshire,
Mr. B. Dennison- from the West Riding of Yorkshire,
Mr. S. O'Brien from Yorkshire, Mr. Alderman Thomp-
son from places in Westmoreland, and Mr. T. Duaeombe
from Islington and other places.
Mr. HUNIE presents ql a petition fr3m Arbroath,
praying that the heavy charges which are levied on
British shipping for lighthouse dues may be modified
and reduced. . . .

Mr. MANGLES presented a petition from medical
practitioners of Guildford against the Metikal Bill.
Mr. C. BERKELEY presented petitions from several
congregations of Wesleyan Methodists in Bristol against
the grant to Maynooth.
Mr. Alderman HUNIPIIF.RY presented a petition
from the churchwardens and overseers of St. ()lave's,
South nark, against the grant to Maynooth.
Mr. BLEW ITT gave notice that he would, on the 28th
of April, bring forward the motion of which he had given
notice regarding tobacco.
LORD ELLENBOROUGH.

Mr. HLTME gave notice that he would, upon that day
fortnight, move for copies of all corre,pJnd?nce con-
nected with the recal of Lord Ellenboroug!t.
DOG-STEALING.
Mr. LIDDELL gave notice that he would move for
leave to bring in a Bill to prevent the offence of dog-
stealing —(Laughter.)
LUNATIC PATIENTS.
Lord ASHLEY said he would on the 24th init. move
fur leave to' bring in a Bill for the care of insane pa-
tients.

SINDF.
Mr. HUME asked whether or not it was in the power
of the Government to lay before the House an estimate
of the revenue arising from the province of S.nde, and
the expenses of maintaining that province ?
Lord JOCELYN said the Government had as yet
received no authentic returns on the subject.
MAY NOOTH.
Sir C. NAPIER said that he wished to put a question
to the Right lion. Baronet at the head of her Majesty's
Government. Having observed that two gentlemen who
held office under the Government abstained from voting
on the question of the grant to Maynooth—(ilear, hear)
—he wished ts know from the Right Honourable
Gentleman whether those Honourable Members were
absent from accident or design ?—(Loud laughter.)
He also wished to knoW whether those Honourable
Gentlemen still continued to be Members of her Ma-
jesty's Government, and if they remained so, whether
this question was to be an open question ?—(Cheers.)
Sir R. PEEL said that he begged to say in reply,
that he could not take upon him to say whether those
Honourable Gentlemen to whom the lion. and Gallant
Member referred were absent by accident or design.
n o reomf
He begged to say that there was no change in the mem-
bershvaelrs. nooth, he considered
Ma•AsttirrsesOpoeevetrtmotmnta,yand that there were
that to be a Government question—(Hear, hear)—he
considered it to be a question of the utmost importance.
and he would do everything in his power to promote the
success of it.—(Lotal Opposition cheers.)
Mr. HUME said that he saw in the notice paper for
to-morrow,onrby his Hon. Friend the Member for Shef-
field, to the effect that any provision for the purposes of
education in Ireland, should be paid out of the funds ap-
plicable to ecclesiastical purposes, and, as it was important
that they should understand how that question was to
be brought forward, before they went on to the consider.
ation of the Government measure, he begged to know
from his Hon. Friend in what way he intended to bring
on his ;notion ?
Mr. HINDLEY rose to put a question before the Hon.
Member for Sheffield answered the question of the Hon.
Member for Montrose, bat was met with such repeated
cries of " Order, order," that the Hon. Member had to
resume his seat.
Mr. WARD said he felt obliged to his Hon. Friend,
the Member for Montrose, for having given him notice
of his question. Ile felt it necessary to give some ex-
planation of the course which he meant to pursue.
When he gave notice of his motion, he never in-
tended that it should he made a rallying point
for all those who wished to oppose the Government
measure.—(Cheers.) Though a Member of that House
for twelve years, he was not ashamed to confess that he
was scandalously ignorant of the form in which the
question was to be put. As he understood, the motion
which the Speaker would put from the Chair in case he
pressed his amendment would be—" That the words
proposed to be left out stand part of the question," and
in that case he had reason to believe that his amend-
ment would be made the point on which the Govern-
ment measure would be opposed.—(Hear, hear.)
He had made up his mind at present to abandon the
notice that stood in his name for to-morrow, in order to
bring the subject before the House at a future period,
with the view of getting an intelligent expression of the
opinion of the House upon it. He should be sorry if they
lost this measure, which was of great value as a boon of a
conciliatory character towards Irelani. He begged to
say theo should bring forward his motion at a future
period, as he wished first to have an expression of the
House upon the subject.
Mr. lIINDLEY wished to ask the Right Hon. Baronet
at the head of the Governmentif this was not an additional
question was whether the Right lion. Baronet would
delay the second reading of that Bill? Ile would appeal
reason for delaying the second reading of the Bill. His
to the Speaker—(Laughter)—if the reason why lion.
Members put their names to the corner of the petitions
they presented was__ not to show that they
had read them? They were required by the
spirit
of the orders of the house to read
• ' that they might
every petitionknow the nature of them,
and explain to the louse properly the wants of their
constituents. Ile could assure Hon. Members that he
had bad no time to read the petitions he had rec,,ived
that morning ; he trusted that the Right Hon. Baronet
would give himself, and other Hon. Members, the op-
portunity of discharging their duties properly.
Sir R. PEEL said he had come do an to the Haase
under the impression that the Hon. Member for
Sheffield
Tnort . Ward) would persevere in bringing for-
ion of which he had given notice, respect-
grant to the College of m.,*
rioqq. gat though
(Sirliwineagri the
the
Robert Peel) had just heard the Honourable
Member announce his intention of postponing his
motion to another stage of the Bill, still that was no
reason why he should delay the second reading of the
measure beyond to-morrow. However, the adopting of
that course would not preclude the Honourable
Member from persevering in his motion on a future day.
Therefore the Lion. Member will see ,t once that there

-
to corroborate the statement of Dr. D time might be Governor-General of their Indian empire.
anbeny. Dr. King, I
th , professor of anatomy, stated that, from 1519 to 1825, I He would ask of the Right Hon. Gentleman oppoeite
11. Pet-I), he who had emancipated the Rowan Ca-
he had twenty-nine pupil's annually ; but from 18ee to (Sir
tholies, who was now braving a perterhl opposition to
1838, they had decreased to seventeen ; and since the
carry out the work he had begun. by increasing the
lett( r year, bad faille n off to ten. The professor of ex-
perimental philosophy sened that his pupils had fallen grant for the education of the
.Roman Catholic elerev,
whether he could oppose a motion for inquiry. for I:e
°fill-mu thirty-nine annually to eighteen. Dr. Builland,
only asked for that, as to the propriety and prectiee. the profs sent of geolegy, stated that, since about ieee,
the number of his pupils bad fallen eff nearly one-half bilks; of admioing Jews, aye, and Christian Dissenters
into their national Universities?—(Cheers.) This eines-
less than daring the fifteen preceding years. The mine-
rates:neat class had feilen off still more. Dr. Buekland tam was different now from what it was ten years ago,
stated also that the cause of this decrease was to be They had not then heard the word Puseyism—titre was
sought for in the system of education pursued. He (Mr. teething of Tractarianism—no persons ventured to say
Christie) made inquiry from the professors of the Uni- in the newspapers that they subscribed the articles in
versity of Cambridge who were included in the annual the non-grammatical sense—there were no con-
Parliamentary vote; and the result was this :—The pro- fessionals in the professors' rooms in Oxford—
fessof of anatomy had six pupils, the professor of che- no rosaries and crucifixes publicly ex pose 1 in
mistry had five—though the Hon. Baronet opposite (Sir the Oxford shops.—(Loud cheers.) There was
11. Inglis) knew when a hundred pupils used to attend no reason now why they should admit Dr. Newman
the professor of chemistry. The mineralogy professor and refuse hr. Wiseman.—(Hear, and cheers) Then,
had only five pupils, and the Jacksonian professor of how bad the Universities performed their duty in pro.
natural philosophy, one of the most distinguished muting and encouraging literature? Hew had they ful-
professors at that University, had only five pupil-, filled, how were they fulfilling their vecation as re-
el presentatives of the national literature ? A luny time
Tne professors of botany (a subject of which one e ou
expect that there would be a large attendance of stu• ago the literature and learning of the country were rest-
dente, as all candidates for medical degrees are obliged tercel in the Universities. But what had the Univerei-
t , attend them), can only oblige the attendance a tics done of late? The great works of Bacon had r.-
fifteen. Degrees of law are given by- the Universities, and mained for a long time neglected by Oxford, seal Hobbes
they have the exclusive privilege of conferring spoke of the Universities, in his time, in the worst
the power of' practising in the Ecclesiastical Courts, terms. ' The great Locke, after having enjoyed the eyes--
anti in the Admiralty Courts. The professor pathies and homage of the philosophers of Europe, was
of civil law in Oxford is richly endowed, but driven fur his political opini. ns from his stedentship.
yet no lectures upon civil law are given in that Univer- What had the Ullivcrsities to do with what wile-relied
sity. This clearly appeared in evidence given before a the Augustan age of literature in England n ' While
Committee of which the Right Hon. Gentleman the Scotland became remit, ned throughout Europe for her
Member for Taunton was chairman. The Cambridge school of metaphysics, and while her young men bad
professor of civil law does give lectures. In medicine, formed a amen which influenced the literature,
also, the Universities had very important duties to and even the Government of this country,
perform, and had exclusive privileges attached to them. For England remained fir behind.—(hear. hear.) Ile
instance, these Universities can give the power of practising winild only name the two person: most -distinguished
in London, and seven miles round it. Oxford did not even throughout the intellectual world, fir their knowledge
profess to have medical students. The professors gave of and service to speculative philosophy ; and when he
no lectures there. The Cambridge Lectures were given, did state those names, he believed there would be no
but the attendance was very small. He four d, Irons re- dispute as to the title which those gentlemen possessed to
turns laid upon the table of that House, that Oxford, the high station which lie had assigned them. The first
was Mr. Bailey, of Sheffield, who, not amid the quietude
during the last ten years, gave 22 degrees 4)f doctor of
medicine, and 29 degrees of bachelor of medicine ; whilst of academic groves, but amid the busy din of manufac-
the University of London, during the last six years, had tures, and the hurry anti bustle of a large commercial
given 33 degrees of doctor of medisine, and 176 d grees town, bad written with the most eminent success on
of bachelor of medicine. In the average of the last ten almost every subject of intellectual contemplation ; and
had contributed works which were surpassed by none
years, Oxford had conferred only two degrees per year of
doctor of medicine, and Cambridge only three. When in the language
.for the comprehensiveness and
the question of admitting Dissenters to that University depth of thew views.- The- other was no professor, no
was first mooted, the Bishop of St. David's came forward quiet and retired student, but an active and constantly
and stated that Cambridge was a theological seminary, engaged public servant, who had himself been educated
and nothing more nor less than a theological seminary ; at the College of the East India Directors at Hailey-
and the Bishop of Durham went so far as to say, that so bury, and who was now, he believed, con-
fer from discouraging theology, he looked upon the ad- netted with the East India House—he meant
Mr. John Mill, the son of one of the 'nest profound
mission of Dissenters to the University as a most
useful and beneficial rule. Then, with regard and distinguished historians that this country
to Oxford, Dr. Pusey had also said that had ever produced. He did not hesitate to pronounce
an attendance for a fortnight in that Uni- this culogium on the author of the " history of British
vereity, without undergoing any examination what- India, ' and lie would ask what had been done by either
of the Universities for history, or what historical work
ever, or any ordeal of public or private instruction, was
all that wa.s required from any candida`e for holy orders. whatever either of them had produced during the last
Long before Dr. Pusey had become such an ohject of at- three) ears, and yet neither of these gentlemen had been
tack and ridicule by many, who should not have for-
.connected with Oxford or Cambridge. Again, as
gotten what respect was due to a man of his age and another instance, he weuld cite that of unquestionably
learning, he made the most munificent endowments on the most profhund and learned historian of the country,
one of the scholarships, Since then the Crown had whose work was an honour to England, and whose fame
founded two new professorships ; and a rule was made was spread through every University in Europe, yet Dr.
that the examinations should be voluntary and not corn Ling:srd was excluded from the trinversities on account
pulsory. Since then three half years had elapsed, dur • or his religion. Since her accession to the throne her
ing the first of which there was but one candidate ; the Majesty had visited Cambridge, and every exertion had
second there was not one ; and the third there were but been made to make her M tjesty acquainted with the
two; and that showed no very great encouragement to rules or College life, and to show her all the various
persons to enter. When he looked at the progress that ceremonies which were gone through, in
Puseyism had made in the University of Oxford, and the order to attain the several gradations of
results of that progress, he could not avoid calling the eollege life, "smileless the authorities were anxious
attention of the House to the proe, edings which to treat their illustrious guest with every respect. The
had been instituted against Dr. Pusey. (Hear.) newspapers of the period he well remembered had stated
The Hebdomadal Board, resuscitated and reconstructed, that her Majesty had evinced, in the course of those long
sat in judgment upon one of his sermons, and pro- • and tedious ceremonials, slight, but surely not unnatural
flounced it heretical. The University then prohibited I symptoms of fatigue. Nor dud he wonder at it.; the
him from preaching for a period of two years, He (Mr, surprise only was, that her Majesty hall at all been able
Christie) wondered whether for these two years Dr, to endure them. But he thought that. the expense at.
Pusey had received the income to which he was entitled. tending all this ceremonial might by this time have
NT sw he thoeght these were gam] specimens of a united brought forth something more of that learning which had
Church or a united University. He did notknow- in other countries been exhibited, by far more scantily en-
whether the Hon. Member for the University for Ox- flowed establishments. His object was to destroy the svgs.-
ford, who was the great foe of Popery, was aware of the tern of narrowness and exclusion which had marked the
number of conversions which had lately taken place at mode of instruction pursued at the Universities, and -to
the University of Oxford. Well, if he were not, he could return to that system which had been adopted in those.
tell the Right Hon. Gentleman that he held in his hand so-called, dark ages of our fathers. when those colleges
a list of twenty-three parsons who had been converted, were founded, up to the time of }Awned 111. ,It slimed
and who were members of the University College. BPI'. be recollected, that those colleges had been fnunded ni
they could not crush Puseyism by making mar- times when the Roman Catholic religion was the pro-
tyrs of its votaries, and he was therefore fessed religion of the State, when all the liberality, all
not one of those who wished to see them deprived of the munificent liberality, had provided for the exteu-
their degrees. He, however, thought the effects site education of persons from all classes of society,
of Puseyism in Oxford were such as ought to and as her Majesty passed through those - noble Lath,
fill wish apprehension all the friends of the University and ae she surveyed those fretten roof's, perhaps a
on both sides of the House. He hoped to enlist on that thoileht might dash across the royal breast, that in her
occasion the support of some of those Gentlemen who reign the system of exclusion should come to an erd,
lately signed the lay address against Puseyism to the that the last blow should be given to that practice of in-
Chancellor and Vice-Chancellor of the University of justice which took from those who gave the
Oxford, to which the Chancellor and Vice Chancellor. endowments for purposes which those donors never
made the satisfactory reply, that Puseyism did not eontemplated. On those grounds, he trusted be
exist to the serious extent that some persons appeared should be allowed the indulgence of the *House, and wets,
to imagine In the Universities distinctions were those views he would leave the question in their hands.
msintained with respect to rank. In the University The lion.. Gentleman sat down amidst loud and con-
of Cambridge, all plebeians were required to wait tinued cheering.
at least seven years before they could obtain a master Mr. EW ART said that his Honourable Friend
ef arts' degree ; hut a Nobleman's sot, and had truly said that the question a hich he hail subs
all persons having any royal blood in their mitted to the House was now in a very similar po.
veins, were allowed to take - the same. master's sition to that in which it stood a few years ago, and be
degree, after three years, as if there was a noble thought the House ought to give its consent to the mo-
road to learning. Now, he should think, that these tion of his Hon. Friend, on account of the fact that the
were the very persons who could best afford a larger Universities hal departed from the system on whicie
time to devote to college- education. They cer- they were founded, end he could truly say, that the plan
tainly were the persons whose education was which had been adoeted in the time of Edward 111. was
the object of national consideration, for from those more comprehensive in its character than that on which
persons came all their future hereditary legislators. In they acted now, and he thought that unless a Com.
all Colleges, in both Universities, distinctions of gown, mission were issued for the purpose of obteining a more
of table, and of seats, in the Colleen, Chapel, were ac • extensive system of aeadernical education, the purpose's.
ceded to rank and birth. At Cambridge a Noble- of the University would he almost entirely lost. If they
man in his own right, or a Nobleman's son, Was entitled looked at the two Universities,. they would see that the
to wear a full flowing black silk gown, which, on grand systems pursued were of a most exclusive character. In
days, he exchanged for a fine gown of purple and gold. the University of ( Weed the attention of the professors
After this gown, which had cost six or seven guineas, was turned chiefly to classical literature, and in the
had been worn six or seven times by him, it became the other to methentaties. But how diflarent sees the system
perquisite of the tutor. The Nobleman on all occasions pursued in former times. In those time the course of
took precedence in the College Hall and Chamber. There education had comprised instruction in no less than
was an officer in both Universities, whose duty it Was, seven sciences. This course was called the tritium and
when a Nobleman was introduced into the University, retrivium, and together constituted what was termed
to deliver a laudatory address to him, in praise of his curriculum, through which the students run to attain
ancestors. He (Mr. Christie) should have thought that to a full competence for their future duties. But in Ox-
in such places as the Universities distinctions such as ford and Cambridge the principle appeared to be to
these would not have been allowed. But no, there carry a student up to a certain amount of elementary
might they see— information, and then left him to gain instruction as
" The learned pate duck to the golden fool." best he might, when he came to fulfil any duty in that
At the time that he and his Hon. Friend below him, the House, or in any other part of the country. It was not
Member for Dundalk (Mr. Reddington), were fellow- to the Universities of Oxford or Cambridge that they
commoners in Cambridge, he was compelled to go to must look for any useful or learned works, but to the
chapel only every Sunday, while the other undergra- Universities of Germnay, for .he believed it was a well
duates were obliged to go there seven or eight times.— known fact, and he believed that, notwithstanding the
(Hear, hear.) It was well known that the statutes were smile which he saw on the countenance of the Hew.
violated almost at pleasure. When the question was Member for Cambridge (Mr. Manners Sutton), he might
brought forward, in 1837, in the House of Lords, a pro- state that there were no works used in the educational
miss was given to him by the two Chancellors of the course at Cambridge, whether they treated on
Universities, in consequence of Lord Radnor's exposure, the profound points of Greek or of history,
that they would direct the attention of the colleges to which were not either entirely translated or
the statutes, with a view to their reformation. Ile be- at least derived from the German. The whole of the
lieved that the Chancellors had done their duty, and system pursued at Cambridge went on the tutorial plan,
made representations to the colleges, the consequence of and lie believed he should be justified in the assertion
which was that five of the colleges in Cambridge had re- that this system could not be altered until they reverted
formed their statutes, but no revision took place in the to the system on which these colleges had been founded,
Oxford statutes at all. It was well known also that those Mr. Whewel himself, one of the most distinguished
colleges had been founded for the benefit of poor members of the University, had stated it as his opinion,
scholars, that they might devote themselves to the study that it was absolutely necessary to revert to the proles-
of theology, and not for the rich. But the advantages sorial plan, if they meant to do the students, the Univer
they held forth were enjoyed by the rich,and with regard sity or the country justice, and to give the younw rr.gert
to the study of theology he had already stated how that who came to them for instruction that which was iseedeci
branch of study was neglected. In Exeter College, Ox- fur their future lives. On those two grounds he should
ford, there was a provision that after a certain number of support the motion of his lion. Friend—first, because the
years a fellow should either take holy orders or resign. Universities had departed from the 'plan en which they
There was another provision, that after a certain further were founded, and it was necessary to proceed on a more
number of years, he should take the degree of 1).1). extensive system than now prevailed ; and, secondly.,
Now a fellow of Trinity College had an application because they had not produced men equal to those who
made to him, either to take holy orders or to resign. had been educated in other nations. Ile might adduce
He said, why require me to do this, when there are so only Heithorne and Muller in Germany, as fair examples
many others who have neglected to take the degree of of modern times, and Guizet in France. Notwithstand-
D.D. He appealed to the Bishop of Winchester, who ing the ironical exclamations with which this questenn
told him that he must either go into holy ordersor resign had been formerly treated, he believed the House mend
kis fellowship. From another provision in the statutes now take a different view of it, and that, if the Hon.
of Trinity College, it appeared that the founder Gentleman opposite thought that he had a menwity with
had an objection to the aristocracy, and cape- him in that House, he felt quite sure that the majority
cially desired that no fellowship should be held were against him in the country. On most
ley a young member of a noble family, (kectionable usage too, in the Universities, was
Well, a vacancy in a scholarship had occurred in Trinity
the distinction observed between the different ranks
College, and it was filled up by the nephew and heir-at- The noblemen and fellow commoners were tlikerentiv
law of the Earl of Buckingharoshirk s
.—(Year, hear.) ln robed and differently served from those of other rade_ ~
1842 an election took place for a vacant fellowship in and a distinction was thus created which was odious to the
feelings of the country and revolting to his own`; awd he
Exeter College, and as was usual on such occasions, ad-
tinction wa
,s madeh between them and students in the same
vertiscanents appeared in the Oxford papers, requiring wombd ask why, because a man was simply a sizer at
candidates to give in their names, and to send testimo- Cambridge or a servitor at Oxford, why this invidious dis-
promotion of reliious feeling
dis-
nials. Mr. Rowe and two others became candidates. One
of the two, however, subsequently withdrew. Mr. Rowe University. But the most important of all questions
tes_imo- than the system of exclusion which
and the other candidate were examined, and upon the
is
thei Universities was the
day of election it was announced to the surprise of every
c:;inheeacountry. Now, in his opinion,
nothing
could be
body, and even the candidates themselves, that anothert greater ohstaele to the promotion of that feeling
person, who bad not sent in his name or and
was adopted at both
Isiah, who had not been examinednwas electe .—(near, he Universities, and he did conceive that this great ob-
hear.) Mr. Rowe, feeling that it might be supposed
,jest would be better promoted by opening the Univer-
there was some imputation on his character, determined cities to the admission of students from other creeds and
and if not by introduction into the colleges already esta-
te appeal to the visitor—the Bishop of Exeter. Of course sects than those connected with the Church of England,
of Wished that an opening would be made sy the erection Of
it was important that the statutes of Exeter College
ruelifeulleyGiPnYthe other colleges for. that purpose. Ills Hon. Friend might
copy, not succeed on this occasion,
athheemuldinbeexiinsstpenecetee,da,ndbutthatthewresswkaseptonleya•
and on a se time would rme when he wbouu
College. The Bishop wrote for the
tldhesefeeltthaessseuurend
but he only received extracts,
Universities
cond cond application, he received only further extracts opened,
with a request that they would be sent back. The Bishop but the an when he would have not only a majority
whole of the House with him, and with the state..
gave judgment, but it appeared that his power did not meat f •
extend beyond requiring that the candidate should be of .o this conviction he would second the motion.
a certain age and standing, and Mr. Rowe •
raised no with which the Hon. Member had brought this subjectobjections upon those points. There could be
no objec-
tion to Mr. Rowe in point of moralsbefore the 'louse ;and thowsh he dissented from many
s. or learning;
the successful candidate anoptedpeculiar but of his facts, anti differed from all his conclusions, he yet
theological questions, which found sentiments on must lew his testimony to the great ability with which
Exeter College. On the very same great favour in the matter had been introduced. At the commencement
took place for another clay another election of his speech the Hon. Gentleman had promised that he
elected who had no college t fellowship, and an individual was would say nothing disrespectful of the learned bodies of
estunonials, and who could those Universities of which he was about to speak.
not get any because he '''was rusticated. This question 'Phis promise he (Sir H. Inglis) felt bound to say he had
was very different in 1841 from;..c what it was when brought most faithfully kept, for in the whole course of his speech
forward ten years ago. 1. o less a person than the Lord there was not a word that could be construed into insulter
Chancellor of a
oGovernment for which the Hon. Baronet reflection on those learned bodies. He (Sir R, Inglis)
the Member for
Oxford if ha was not • a very warm sup- was at the same time bound to express his acknowledg-
porter of it, bad a very decided preference, held out as *tents for the courtesy which he had experienced at the
an example of what an enlightened .Government ought —the and he ' • d find
hands of Hon, Gentleman,
to. be—the example of Prussia, where Jews were ad- that he had been more fortunate this year than he. bed
nutted on equal terros.—(llear, hear.) But the Lord been last, and that he was sueovssful in his iuteeductiore
Chanceltor need not have gone so far, for he might have of the question on the first ocea.shew ' in which
pointed to the East India College, of which he had attempted to briuw it before the,
the Bishop of London was visitor, and eler- House ; end he must resee' that opportunity
gymen of the Church of England the pro- of expeessin,,,e his theist...), and he thought he might say
lessors, where Jews were admitted and edvkeeiad, the thanks o'th:he learned bodies to whom allusion _had
and where they were amongst the rimes distinguished been re.' moderation and calmness which had
. for the
a,
h• But with that, his commen-
scholars.--( Hear, hear2i Through the liberality of the e'
euareterised his speec .
East redia Beater (he Wished that Cahuhridge es.' - of that speech must conclude. He (Sir R.
e Ox- dstiensdeemed guilty of
filed- would fellow their example), a JP'''. - '..
trusted that. lie should not be
highs)
in. .
to the Sureme.99tiew of v'''' ' .. might now rise
rising
first in opposition to the motion,
in no very long presumption
...eia, and

but allusion so personal had been made to himself, that
he felt as if he should rather be shrinking from his duty
than trespassing to address the House at that time. The
Hon. Member who brought the motion forward had
talked much of the advantages which the Universities
possessed, and wished a commission to be issued, to ob.
Lain information respecting the state of the Universities,
when he had himself already shown that he was in pos-
session of that information. He had talked much of
drawbacks on paper and allowances from the Consoli-
dated Fund, and of the great patronage of Government.
What had the Government done ? They had paid
71. 19s. 6d. a year for a preacher ; lIL Gs. 2d. a year for
a professor of divinity ; and 35/. 3s. for a professor of
philosophy, and all their other grants put together did
not amount to 300/ a year. The Government might
have done something for some educational establish-
ment, but he believed that there was no country in
Europe in which less had been done by the
Government than in this, for promoting the
intellectual hapiness of the people. The sum
granted to the University of Cambridge was
still less. It was not, therefore, on the ground that
enormous grants had been made to the two Universities
that the Hon. Member could foun 1 any claim to the
exercise of this inquisitorial power of the Crown. It
was not the amount, but the use or abuse of that amount
which could alone justify the exercise of this inquisi-
torial power. But had either of the Hcn. Members who
had preceeded him suggested any instance where the
money granted to the two Universities by the nation or
the Crown had been misapplied ? The lion. Member
for Weymouth drew attention to the pre-eminence
our Universities had attained with so little en-
couragement on the part of the State. How
small was that encouragement compared with that
given by other nations less rich than our own ? And yet
the Hon. Member wished to appoint a Commission of
Inquiry which would practically impede the progress, if
not diminish that pre-eminence of which the Hon. Mem-
ber spoke so warmly. The lion. Member had, there-
fore, laid no ground for inquiry in respect of the abuse
either of the funds received from the Crown, or the
funds inherited by the Universities from their founders.
But it was said, our Universities had produced no works
of any great eminence. Now, it was not necessary that
these works should be written within the limits of the
University. Was it necessary that Mr. Allen should
have written his works actually within the walls of
Christ Church College ? No. It was sufficient that he
had received within those walls that education, without
which it would have been hardly possible for him to
produce them. But he defied the Hon. Member
to produce any work calculated to advance the history
or literature of the country, either in respect of po-
litics or science, which had not been written by men

who had been connected with one or other of the eniver-

cities. Then again it wassaid, that the possession ofdegrees
in either University was essential to the establishment
of any man's fair claim to professional employment, but
that argument would cut two ways. Was, however,
the fact so ? Why with respect to the law, he thought
he need not remind the House that, of the last six
Lord High Chancellors, three of them had not been
compelled to attain honours by passing through that
course of education pursued in our Universities.
True, also, some of the most eminent medical prac-
titioners of the metropolis had never bsen connected
with either of the Universities, but this was no argu-
ment in favour of the assertion that the education pro-
vided at the Universities in this particular did not tend
to confer benefit or advantage upon the great body of the
people. In the law the Hon. Member had des tared that
the Universities had something like a monopoly ; but
this was certainly not the case with respect to the
common law. But with respect to the civil law, there
was a distinction which he could not help think-
ing the Honourable Member ought to have stated.
It was this:—Our civil courts and their practice
were materially if not exclusively connected with the
welfare and well-being of the Church. With respect to
the th;rd prrression, namely, the profession of theology
anti holy orders, he thought it was necessary that some
particular form of education should be gone through by
persons who intended to adopt that profession, but it was
not absolutely necessary that a young man should take
a University degree before entering the Church. In the
northern parts of England there were many yoang men
who had been invested with holy orders by the Bishop,
notwithstanding they had never been at either Oxford or
Cambridge. In another part of the Hon. Mt mber's
speech, he alluded to a vestion which, however im-
portant
it might be, could not be settled by any inquiry
instituted by a Royal Commission. Whether Mr. Ward
be or be not correct, whether Mr. Hampden
be or be not a heretic, or whether Dr. Pusey be or be
not a heretic, were propositions which were never sub-
mitted to the University of Oxford or Cambridge, and
therefore they could not have decided the spa stion.
With all due respect to the House he must say, judging
either from experience or analogy, a Royal Commission
eould not allecl; eitl er of these three cases, er afiect any
case which might hereafter arise. The facts connected
with them had already been before the proper and con-
stituted tribunals, namely, a convocation of the
University, anti he could state firmly, and with
all due respect to the House, that no inquiry,
instituted under the authority of the Crown,
could change or alter the result of that inquiry.
The fourth case to which the Hon. Gentleman had re-
ferred occurred in Trinity College, Oxford. That case
had been referred to the visitor of the college, who
decided that the Senate had not excesded its powers.
He thought that after that d*cision there could be no
ground of complaint against the College. The case
n which the Hon. Gentleman had laid most stress was
that of Mr. Rowe, in Exeter College. The Hon. Gen-
tleman had stated that the College had issued an adver-
tisement of the vacancy for a collegiate office. Ile (Sir
R. Inglis) would admit that there was no occasion to
advertise. But it was also quite clear that the College
had exercised a sound discretion in rejecting Mr. Rowe,
and electing his competitor. The fact that a man had
been senior wrangler was not in itself enough to show
that he was superior in academic acquirements to
the person who might afterwards be brought into
competition with him. In that case the visitor
of the College, the Bishop of Exeter, who was
moreempetent to defend himself than any one else could
be to defend him, ought to have acted upon the advice
of a great Lord Chancellor, wko said that in giving
judgment he ought to: give no reason. He regretted
that the Bishop of Exeter had not acted upon that ad-
vice, but had chosen to go into a full statement of his
views on the whole case.—(The Hon. Baronet then read
the judgment of the Right Rev. Prelate, which was of
some length.)
Mr. CURTEIS said that the matter of csmplaint was
that, in the case of Mr. Rowe, there had been no exa-
mination.

Sir R. INGLIS replied that the qualifications of the
two ce.ndidates had already been ascertained, in previous
competitions for collegiate honours. The College thought
that the unsuccessful candidate was not equal to
his opponent, in the requisites set forth by
the statute ; and the decision was not influ-
enced by any pecuniary consideration. He apolo-
gised for having so long occupied the House ; but
he had felt it his duty to go minutely into the qiies-
&ions raised by the Hon. Gentleman, in consequence of
hie connexion with the University of Oxford. The Hon.
Gentleman referred to a speech made in the House of
Lords, some ten years ago, by Lord Radnor, which called
explanations from the Chancellors of (Word and
s'ambridge. But he could inform the Honourable
Member that the University of Oxford had revised the
statutes in consequence of that discussion. Ile admitted'
that if an abuse were proved, and that all constitutional
means of redress were exhausted, the authority
of the Crown ought to be invoked. But the Honourable
Member bad made out no case fur such interposition.
He would not deny that the endowments of the Univer-
sities were originally Roman Catholic ; but the Legis-
lature had, for three centuries, confirmed the possession
3n the Protestant Church. He would ask, then, had
the State a power which was repudiated in private
life, to resume a gift, without allegation of abuse ?
The fact was, however, that a large proportion
o' the endowments in Oxford were of Protestant foun-
dation. The number of Catholic foundations was 297,
of Protestant 232, and in Cambridge the Catholic en-
dowments were not more than one-fourth of the %hole.
It might be recollected Out a great body of the resident
members of the University were those whose age and
the nature of whose circumstances may not admit their
giving a large portion of their time to the study of
theology. The Hon. Gentleman stated that at Oxford
the education was now elementary. Ire should state
that the education bestowed qualified those who had
studied there to give the most detailed, answers to the
most complicated questions. With regard to their edu-
cation in Greek literature, both poetry and
history and in logic, it was by no means
elementary. Their religious knowledge was
not elementary, a great many of them possessing a
ereater knowledge or theology than was exhibited for--
wady at final exarainations. In order to obtain a degree
te must have a thorough knowledge of the Scriptures
and theology ; this was the result of that I.ystem with
which the lion. Member de. store that the Government
should interfere.
TTllll:ril,iwona.ienn.nt_t.eman made no grounds
for his motion.
15 unconstitutional in
the change which he complained
beneficial
praetieql re-
sult of that change had been most°
He also stated that to the great
body of the University.
theat the University
did not redeePa the pledge made bystatut Noble Chan-
cellor—that they would, evise the lle could
state that different Colleges proceededinstoetas.hfeorm Com-
mittees for the purpose, and in many several
.
Colleges had made such alterations as wereesreaouired.
The Hon. Gentleman presented a petition from
street, which was signed by many who were not the
most distinguished in the University, and several of
them were connected with that which is now
called an University College. Their opinions
were less entitled to weight, because they belonged to
an institution founded on different principles, and not a
rival institution, for he would not do it the honour of
calling it a rival, but an institution which had attempted
to establish itself in the vsition of the Universities of
Cambridge and Oxford. The Hon. Gentleman stated
as one of the three great evils that the professors were
not allowed to be the governing body of the University.
In Gower street they were not allowed to he the govern-
ing body of the University. He also stated that those
professors had pupils, and ought to superintend the
general state of the Universities. The petition he pre •
rented was irrelevant to the question that her Majesty's
Government should institute a commission to inquire into
the system of education in the Universities of Oxford
gad Cambridge. He complained of the ecclesiastical
body • but they should look to the statutes of the Col-
leges before they made any alterations. The statute
did not prescribe what the Hot). Gentleman complained
of. He complained that the elective franchise
was limited to those wbo signed the Thirty-
Articles. Admitting that, however, to be
sit sail, which it was not, the Hon. Gentleman's proposi-
tion could not remedy it. He also made it a subject of
coomaglaint that the differences of rank was so aristocra-
tiy observed in Oxford, and especially in Cambridge;
and he gave au account of the expense and colour of

gowns of the different ranks and classes in the Univer-
sities, and the uses to which the worn-out garments were
afterwards applied. lie believed that the colour and
texture of the clothing in many instances proved to be
no barrier to the wearer's acquiring distinguished
honours in the University. The first instance he would
give was Lord Lyttelton who, though he wore a gilt
robe, distinguished himself in a manner that no one less
favoured by birth, or less endowed by fortune, could
have exceeded. There were many other instances, many
of whom were within those walls to-night, who, though
they had a great amount of wealth, who, at the same
time, received, in the course of their academic life, the
greatest testimony of their proficiency. There
were also men born in a low rank of life, who
had acquired the same attainments. The late Bishop
Heber, whose name was not to be mentioned without creat-
ing respect, stated that their differences were to be re-
garded more as an encouragement to the literature of the rising
poor than as a degradation. The Archbishop of Canterbury,
who lived in the commencement of the present century, was
himself one of those individuals, and nevertheless raised him-
self to the highest episcopal dignity. The Hon. Gentleman
ought not to consider their temporary inferiority for the first
few years, but ought to take into consideration that their posi-
tion was inferior lacesre they went to the Universities ; soil it
was that inferiority that raised one of them to the highest situ-
ation in the Church, and many others, if not to the same, at
any rate to something like analagous distinctions. The Hon.
Member for Weymouth introduced many subjects, and he
thought it his duty to endeavour not to omit mention of any.
If he did omit any, it was not from an unwillingness to meet
anything to which the Hon. Gentleman called the attention
of the House. Full as his speech was of facts, it had not
contained anything which proved that there were abuses in
those Universities which could not be remedied by existing
tribunals. lie concluded by expressing his determination to
oppose the pronosition which the Hon. Member had intro-
duced, but could not sit down without uttering his thanks for
the tone in which be introduced it, and to the House for so
patiently permitting him to address it.
Mr. NYSE wished to congratulate the House on the tone
in which this measure was proposed and opposed. However
well disposed the Universities may he to remedy those abuses
by internal regulations, the public opinion ought to be directed
towards them through lthe introduction of some remedial mea-
sure to the Legislature. All the Universities of Europe were
conducted upon a principle of efficiency well worthy of imita-
tion. In the University of Paris, there was a rule by which
boys wishing to enter, should enter at fourteen years of age,
and should remain there for three years, in a probationary
school ; but in Oxford University the colleges had, by their
practice, acquired too much of the character of grammar
schools, and, therefore, that accounted for the manner in which
attempts had been made to reduce them to a level still lower.
He did not think that the Hon. Baronet had given by any
means a satisfactory answer to the arguments of his Hon.
Friend. The Hon. Baronet appeared to him (Mr. Wyse) to
argue in a manner which tended rather to confirm than to
weaken the arguments of his Honourable Friend beside him.
The Honourable Baronet had not said anything in
support of the assertion that the Universities of 'Oxford or
Cambridge were too elementary in their codes or practice.
He (Mr. Wise) did not mean to say that those noble institu.
tions should not continue to keep up the rule requiring the
study of the magnificent languages and history of ancient
times; hut he did contend that the course of education ought
to embrace a department in which pupils would be able to
acquire information such as would suit the state of society in
our day, and the station in life they were ultimately to fill. The
Universities of the Continent differed not only from each
other in their systems, hut different from all of them were Ox-
ford and Cambridge. On the Continent, a University was
regarded as a corporation which extended all over the country
to which it belonged, as for instance the University of Paris,
which extended all over France. And in Scotland the Univer-
sities somewhat resembled those of the Continent, for they had
their different departments for each branch of education,
while in Oxford and in Cambridge it was professed only to give
a general education for the benefit of all classes, and hence the
lamentable deficiency in the English Colleges in this respect.
These were points which he feared the Hon. Baronet had not
eonsidered, for if he had, he would not have condemned the
proposition of his Hon. Friend.
Mr. ALEXANDER HOPE said he congratulated the
lion. Member for Weymouth upon the speech he had made
in introducing this subject; and lie congratulated him, not
only as the Member for Weymouth, but also as a scholar of
Trinity College, Cambridge. Two years ago the lion.
Member made a speech, which appeared in the shape of a
pamphlet, on this question; but he ( Mr. II.) feared that the
arguments of the lion. Member to-night would lead to nothing
better than a leading article in Prink.—(Laughter.) He
(Mr. Hope) did not think that the issuing of this Com-
mission of Inquiry would at all tend to the reforma-
tion of the system pursued in the English colleges.
The noblemen, and fellow commoners at the Universities sat
on higher seats in the chapels, but in every other respect they
were placed on the same footing as the others in the Unis
versity. Did the Hon. Gentleman remember that Trinity
College, Cambridge, had instituted some time ago an inquiry
which had resulted in placing the sitar in the same position
with respect to the election to university scholarships as
the other members of the college? There was, under these
circumstances, no necessity for a Government commission to
issue, since one of the first colleges in the country had been its
own reformer. What was the course which a student had to
go through before taking a degree at the University ? Even iu
taking the degree of senior optime or se fond class classical
tripos, he must have a knowledge of moral philosophy,
mathematics and algebra. He must have a fair knowledge
of Greek and Latin, and a certain power of composition.
This was as much as any young man could reasonably acquire
in three years. lie (Mr. Hope) would caution the House
against raising the standard of the University too high. At
present the age at which a young man entered the University
was eighteen or nineteen ; but raise the standard too high,
these young men would stay at home, and perfect themselves
for the University, and then run up, and carry away the fellow.
ships, and thus, instead of the Universities being schools for
young men, they would become lottery offices.
Mr. HUNIE thought the arguments of his Honourable
Friend who had introduced this motion had not been
answered on the other side. Certainly not by
the Hon. Gentleman who had just sat down, who might con-
sider himself lucky if during the next fortnight he should es-
cape appearing in the columns of Punch. —(Laughter. ) The
ground on which he (Mr. Hume) supported this motion was,
that the Universities were national property. They were sup-
ported by the public, and could consequently be the objects of
inquiry by that House. lie was anxious for inquiry to ascer-
tain why none but Protestants should benefit by a national
establishment. When these colleges were established there
were none but Roman Catholics ; now, half the population of
the United Kingdoms were Catholics, but they could not par-
ticipate in these advantages. He would limit his reasons for
supporting the motion to this one, that they were national in-
stitutions. Nothing was more important than throwing open
the doors of these great seminaries to the people at large, and
casting aside all sectarian and narrow-minded feelings. He
would give this motion his best support.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, that if
he addressed the House as a Member representing the Uni-
versity of Cambridge, he would not be disposed to say any-
thing, on the present occasion, upon the subject now under
consideration, for, having listened attentively to the speech
of the Hon. mover, he had heard nothing imputed to the Uni-
versity which he represented like misconduct, or a breach of
the sacred trust reposed in it—nothing which implied censure
in its proceedings—nothing requiring the strong arm of power
as a remedy for any existing or supposed abuse. He should,
therefore, be content to rest on the judgment and good sense
of the House, the impropriety of bringing forward the ma-
chinery of a Commission, by an address of the House of Com-
mons to her Majesty, to inquire into an institution against
which no censure, and no abuse of trust had been
imputed. But he was anxious, upon a question of this kind,
after the speeches made, to state the ground upon which, as a
Member of Parliament and as a member of the Government
he objected to the course which the Hon. Gentleman recom-
mended to the House. The institution of a Commission such as
the Hon Gentleman recommended, and the interposition of the
House to advise the Crown to adopt it, were no light matters.
A Commission such as that proposed was an instrument which
the House of Commons used in contending with great evils
existing in the institutions of the country. They were not the
weapons to be brought out every day for the purpose
of gratifying individual curiosity or satisfying indivi-
dual spleen. Honourable Gentlemen might think the
system in the English Universities was inferior to that pursued
in the Universities on the continent. They might think it
better that young men should be educated under the care of
professors. rather than under the care of tutors. These were
questions for deliberation and discretion—for the discussion of
literary and other men, who took an interest in these matters,
and who were acquainted with all the details of those institu-
tions; but it was not a case which called for the interposition
of Parliament, or for the appointment of a Commission. The
lion. Member for Montrose said that if there was nothing to be
curse. ted in the Universities, why should they resist the ap-
pointment of a Commission? fhey would, if the system
pursued in them was found to be salutary, come out of the
inquiry with triumph. The same argument must be used of
an innocent man being put upon his trial. The result would
show his innocence, but would not the aceusation imply censure
in the first instance, and censure once implied soon swelled
into charges of an aggravated character. The public mind
was prejudiced and the man's fair fame must receive irreparable
injury. Then, with respect to the Universities—a charge pre-
ferred against them in a serious manner, and investigated with
the formality of a commission, must be productive of injurious
consequer.ces. Why should they make inquiries of this kind
into places of education which di charged their duty zealously
and sedulously. it the motion were acceded to it would
materially interfere with the duties of those connected with
the college, prevent that attention to education and instruc-
tion which were the main objects of the institution, beget dif-
ference of opinion, engender controversy, and be most
injurious to the best interests of academical education. It
wonld unsettle men's minds, invite the discussion of particular
systems, and disarrange the whole arrangements of collegiate
education in these places. He believed that the sanctioning of
the inquiry would produce no good, but a great disarrange-
ment. lie was sure that the course that had been pursued by
the Government was the best to instruct the people. It had
been said that the Government had not looked to the education
of the people in any appointment that bad been made. Why,
let them look to the appointments in the law of Chief Baron
Pollock, Mr. Justice Maule, Mr. Baron Alderson, Mr. Baron
Parke, and several others—were they not all men that had risen
from the people, and it was to their honour that they had done so.
Then look at science—they had such men as Herschel' and Airey.
With respect to what had fallen from the Honourable Member
upon the medical profession, it might be true that the Uni-
versity had made only twenty doctors, while the University of
London had made one hundred and twenty doctors ; bat he
would beg to observe that the number by no means guaranteed
the eminence; and he would further say that the man most
eminent in the medical profession at the present moment was
a member of the University of Cambridge, and if Cambridge
had conferred no other medical degree than this, it would have
perfectly justified herself in tha eyes of the world. With re-
gard to the minor topics of distinctions of dress and seats in
hall, he conceived that it was only in accordance with the no-
tions of propriety:entertained in this country, that where there
I was a distinction of rank there should be an expression of re-
spect; and he did not see that there should be any less respect
shown to a nobleman in college th,n was felt to be his due in
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There were abuses existing in the Universities of Scotland,
which that Commission had done much to rectify ; but such
was not the case with regard to the Universities of Oxford and
Cambridge; and if there were any abuses the Universities
themselves hail ample power to amend them. He thought
that the lion. Gentleman had made out no case for exercising
this the most extreme power of the Constitution, for he had
stated no fact which impugned either the utility of the Uni-
versities without their precincts, or the excellence of their
discipline within them, and he should consequently oppose the
motion.

Lord PALMERSTON thought that if any Member of the
House had been convinced by the able and very eloquent
speech of the Hon. Gentleman who introduced the motion,
their convictions were not likely to be unsettled by the speech
of the Right Hon. Gentleman the Chancellor- of the Exche.

quer, who had just sat down. in the course of that speech he
had used strong expressions against issuing of a commission,
expressions and arguments which might have done very well
in the mouth of the Hon. Member for Lincoln, who was knot; n
to be decidedly opposed to any commission—( Hear, hear, from
Col. Sibthoip)—but which came but ill from one who
had had so much to do with commissions, and he must say
that this commission seemed to him to be necessary,
for it was not sufficient that no blame should attach to two
great Institutions like these, it was sufficient to justify the ,in-
quiry if it could be shown that improvement could be made in
the mode of education. He did not attach blame to the heads
of these institutions, but he doubted whether they had the
power or the disposition to carry out those improvements if
they were necessary. The last point to which his Honourable
Friend alluded was one which afforded strong grounds for in-
quiry. He meant the expediency of ascertaining whether they
could not extend the means for persons of different religious
persuasions attaining, not only the education, but the honours
of a University. It was all very well to say that our Universi-
ties were open to Dissenters, but the honours and
incentives to study were not given to them.—
( Hear, hear.) They gave them all the benefits of the
education, but debarred them from attaining those honours
which were given as inducements and impelling gauges to
study. Take, however, a larger view of this point. If they
considered a University educat ion as a means of making and
seeking friendships which were to last for life, for bringing to-
ne; her persons of different ranks in society, and for producing
that equality by means of feeling and accidental circumstances,
nothing could be more desirable than that the system should
be open to all parties, because it not only contri-
buted to improve the social, but the political condition
of the country. Upon that ground also he thought his Hon.
Friend had made out a good ease for inquiry, and he shou:d
therefore give him his vote with great pleasure,
Strangers were then ordered to w:thdraw, and the House
divided, when there appeared—
For the motion ..
Against it ... 143
Majority
Mr. HUME then moved for the following returns :—Re-
turn of the total charge of a regiment of Life Guards (con-
sisting of the strength as in the Army Estimates for :844.5)
of 436 men and officers of all ranks, for the year 1844; stating
in detail the numbers of each rank, and the pay and allowances
of the same ; also all other charges, distinguishing so far as
may be possible, the amount for clothing, for contingent, for
commissat iat, for medical, for barrack, and all other expenses
under separate heads, stating also the average charge per man
in such corps, for the year. Return of the total charge of a
regiment of Horse-guards (strength as per Army Estimates
for 1844), stating in detail the numbers of each rank, and
the pay and allowances of the same ; also, all other charges,
distinguishing, so far 23 may be possible, the amount for
clothing, for contingent, for commissariat, for medical, for bar-
rack, and for other expenses, under separate heads, and the
average charge par man in such corps. Return of the total
charge of a regiment of Foot Guards (strength as per Army
Estimates of 1844), stating, in detail, the numbers of each
rank, and the pay and allowances of the same; also all other
charges, distinguishing, so far as may be possible, the amount
for clothing, for contingent, for commissariat, for medical, for
barrack, and other expenses, under separate heads, and the
average charge per man in such regiment. Return
of the total charge of a regiment of cavalry of the line
(strength as per Army Estimates, 1844), stating, in detail, the
numbers of each rank, and the pay and allowances of the same ;
also all other charges ; distinguishing, so far as may be pos-
sible, the amount for clothing, for contingent, for commis-
sariat, for medical, for barrack, and for other expense', under
separate heads ; distingishing also the total charge of a regi-
ment of the same strength at home and a regiment abroad.
and the average charge of such regiment per man. Return of
the total charge of a regiment of infantry of the line (strength
as per Army Estimates for 1844), stating, in detail, the num-
bers of each rank, and the pay and allowances of the
same ; also, all other charges, diet nguishing; so far
as may be possible, the amount for clothing, for contingent,
for commissariat, for medical, and for barrack and other ex-
penses, under separate heads; distinguishing, also, the total
aharge of a regiment at home and a regiment abroad, and the
average charge per man of such regiment. Return of the
total charge of a regiment of the West India regiments
(strength as per Army Estimates for 1844), stating in detail the
numbers of each rank, and the pay and allowances of the same :
also all other charges; distinguishing, as far as may he pos.
sible, the amount for clothing, for contingent, for commissa-
riat, and medical, and for barrack and other expanses, under
separate heads, and the average charge per man for such corps;
and the same return for each colonial corps (as per army esti•
mates of 1844).

Colonel SITiTHORY iV3.3 surprised at the motion for such
expensive returns from a Gentleman who had long laboured
to reduce the public expenditure.
Mr. HUAIE made a few observations rqudiating his in-
tentian to throw any opprobrium upon the regiments in
question.

The Hon. G. BERKELEY wished to ask the Hon.
Gentleman opposite, whether he had any objection to lay on
the table the warrant by which part of the allowances and pay
were taken away from the Life Guards, and given to the
Royal Horse Guards Blue.

Mr. SIDNEY HERBERT slated that he had no objection
to comply with the Hon. Genthman's request, as he had no
doubt that the arrangements would prove satisfactory. He
was also willing that the returns moved for l y the Hon. Mem-
ber Ear Montrose should be made.

The motion of Mr. HUFF was then agreed to, and the
House, after the third reading of the Mutiny and Marine Mu-
tiny Bills, adjourned at Twelve o'Clock.

PARLIAMEN TAkt Y-1/71V ISIONS.

(From the Votes and Proceedings of the Rouse of Commons.)
WEDNESDAY, APRIL 9.
FIELD-GARD-FM BILL.
Order for Second Reading read ; Motion made, and Question pro-
posed, "That the Bill be now read a second time :"—Amendment
proposed, to leave out the word " now," and at the end of the Ques-
tion to add the words " upon this day six months:"—Question put,
" That the word now' stand part of the Question." The House
divided :

. MAJORITY—AYES, 92.
Acland, Sir T. D. Ellice, Rt. lion. E. Neeld, John
Aglionhy,kll. A. Esmonde, Sir T. Newdegate, C. N.
Armstrong, Sir A. Ewart, William O'Brien, A. S.
Ashley, Lord Ferois•m, Sir R. A. Oswald, James
fliwje, 1%-lliiiiM Fcrrand, W. F. Palmer, Robert
Baird, %Villain Forman, T. S. Palmerston, Viscount
Baldwin, Barry Fuller, A. L. Pecheli, Captain
Bateson, Thomas Gladstone, Captain Peel, Jonathan
Blaekburne, J. 1. Gordon, Captain Polhill, Frederick
Bolder°, 11. 1-i. Goring, Charles Rice, E. R.
Borthwiek, Peter Graham, Sir J. Round, John
Bottield, Beriah Greene, T. Russell, Lord J.
Bowes, John Hamner, Sir J. P.ntherfurd, A.
Brotherton, Joseph Harris, Captain Scrape, G. P.
Bruce, Lord E. Ilastie, Archibald Sheppard, Thomas
Buck, L. W. Herbert, Sidney Sheridan, R. B.
ilusfeild, William Hill, Lerd M. Smythe, George
Byng, G. S. liodgson, F. Somerset, Lord G.
Cardwell, Edward Hope, Charles Sotheron, T. H.
Carew, W. H. P. Howard, I'. H. Stewart, P. M.
childers, J. W. Johnstone, Sir J. Sutton, Henry
Clerk, Sir George Langston, .1. H. Tufnell, Henry
Corry, Henry Lennox, Lord A. Williams, William
('ourtenay, Lord Lincoln, Earl Wilshere, W.
Craig, W. G. M'cleaelly, F. A. Wortley, Lord
Dancer, Colonel M`Neill, Duncan Wyse, Thomas
Darby, George Mahon, Viscount Yorke, H. R.
Deedes, William Manners, Lord J. Young, John
Denison, E. B. Mitcalfe, Henry
Duncan, George Morris, Davht TELLERS.
Dundas, Admiral Mundy, E. M. C•;wper, W. P.
Ebringtau, Viscount Muutz, G. F. Wortley, John S.

MINORITY-NOES, 18.
Berkeley, Craven Fitzroy, Lord C. Thornely, Thomas
Collett, John Forbes, William Trelawny, J. S.
Cripps, William Hamilton, W. J. Wawn, John T.
Cartels, 11. H. Hawes, Benjamin
Dennistoun, J. Henley, J. W. TILLERS.
Divert, Edw..rd Moreland, Henry Bouverie, E. P.
Estcourt, T. G. Round, C. G. Liam, 'lickham

PROTEST AGAINST THE IN-

COME-TAX.

Dissentient 1. Because I continue of the opinion respecting
taxes on income detailed in a protest entered on the journals
'2lst June, 184'2. And though the revival of activity in the
manufacturing districts, owing, I believe, to the cheapness
of bread, aided by the remission of certain taxes, has caused
a return of prosperity which was not then anticipated, I be-
lieve this tax must have done much to retard and to re-
press it.

Because if scarcity shall again enhance the trice of
bread, and occasion distress during the continuance of this
tax, it will greatly aggravate all the evils, and increase the
financial difficulties which will then arise.
3. Because in that case the financial circumstances of the
country at the end of three years will probably be such as
to render the farther continuance of this tax indispensably
necessary ; and in the other alternative, and at all events, it
maybe found convenient to the Minister of the day, and may
he justified by the same arguments as have been now used.
4. Because I see no ground to hope that before that period
Parliament will be prepared to repeal the duties on the im-
portation of corn, which might render its renewal unneces-
sary ; or to modify it in such a manner as to make it a tax,
not on incomes generally, but on incomes arising from fixed
realised property only, in which case I should think it alto•.
tether unobjectionable.

RADNOR.
CLARENDON.

C. J. MATHEWS'S INSOLVENCY.
TO THE EDITOR OF 7'HE SUN.
your report of the meeting of yesterday, you
state that the debts of Mr. Laurence Levy and Mr. D. Levy
were reduced 1,200/. I beg to state that no such reduction
took place. Mr. Laurence Levy's debt of 133/. Os. 6d. was
admitted and proved, and Mr. b. Levy's claim of 445/. was
agreed upon, admitted, and proved at 434/. These were the
only amounts ever claimed by the Messrs. Levy.—l am, Sir,
yours, &c., JOHN LEWIS,
7, Arundel-street, Strand, Solicitor for Messrs. Levy.

GREENOCK ELECTION.—We understand that the
sheriff has fixed Tuesday, the 15th inst., for the nomination
of a Member of Parliament for the town of Greenock, in the
room of the late member, Mr. Wallace, of Kelly. The writ
arrived in Greenock on Saturday afternoon, and must, in
terms of the Act of Parliament, be announced within two
days after its receipt, and the election or nomination must
take place within ten days at farthest thereafter. Mr. Baine,
the late Provost of Greenock, it is expected, will be re-
turned.

CITY OF LONDON GENERAL PENSION SOCIETY.—
Monday a general meeting of the members of this Society
took place at the London Tavern, for the election of six pen-
sioners, four men and two women. The chair was takea by
Luke J. Ilansard, Esq. The Directors stated that they had
invested 5001. in the life fund, and that there was at present
5,504/. of funded property, besides the surplus fund, amount-
ing to 600/., making a total of 6,104/. stock in the Bank of
England. The annual income exceeded that of the last year
by nearly 701. The ages of the pensioners were from sixty
to ninety years, and they were sixty-six in number at the
present moment. The men receive 11. 45., and the women
16s. monthly. The election having been concludedv ote
of titans./ was passed to the chairman, when the meeting ad-
inurned. _ _

CART ACCIDENT.—On Tuesday afternoon, between
three and four o'clock, a little girl, in crossing Compton-
street, Soho, at the corner of Dean-street, was knocked down
by a horse and cart. So rapid was the accident that it was
truly wonderful how the driver managed to pull up in
time to save the child, as it was the wheel rested on her
ann. On being removed from under the wheel the girl was
found to have received some severe contusions from the
horse's feet, but she is likely to recover. No blame was at-
lached to the driver.

STATE OF TRADE.—The market continues ex-
ceedingly dull both for goods and yarn, and in order to make
sales to any extent, lower prices must have been submitted
to. Many of the spinners and manufacturers, however, being
still under contract, and stocks being universally low, there
has been little disposition to press sales, and the business
done has consequently been very limited. We regret to hear
of the stoppage of a spinning and manufacturing firm of long
standing in this town, whose engagements are said to be
about 28,0001. Their failure is understood to be owing to
losses incurred some time ago.--ROCHDALE FLANNEL
MARKET, MONDAY, APRIL 7.—There is no improvement in
the piece market to-day; the demand still continues limited,
and prices low. Wool may be quoted rather stiffer to-day
—Manchester Guardian,

LAW INTELLIGENCE.

COURT OF CHANCERY, Ai); il 10.
The Lord Chancellor Fat at Lincoln's Inn Hall to-day.
LANGLEY V. FISHER.

The LORD CIrANCELLOR gave judgment to day in this
case, which was argued before him some time since. Thu
case came on upon appeal from the decision of the Master of
the Rolla; and the question involved was whether a husband
was bound to answer interrogatories put to him on the part
of the plaintiff, in a suit in which his wife was a defendant.
The husband in this case had demurred to the interrogato-
ries on the ground that he was not bound to answer them.
On the case coming on before the Master of the Rolls, his
Lordship allowed the demurrer, and from that judgment the
present appeal was brought. The Lord Chancellor, after
going at some length through the facts of the case, affirmed
the judgment of the Court below.
The Court was occupied the remainder of the morning with
lunatic petitions.

ROLLS' COURT, Apil 10.
The Master of the Rolls, after disposing of the cases "In
re fender" and " In re I.l'racey," proceeded to hear the
arguments in the part-heard case of "Johnson v.
North," which occupied his Lordship the remainder of the
morning.

VICE-CIIANCELLURS' COURTS, April 10.
(I).efore the VICE-CHANcELLop. of ENGLAND.)
WILISANIS V. WILLIAMS.—JUDGMENT.
His HONOUR gave judgment today in this case, which
was argued before him some time since, when we gave a de-
tailed account of the facts. Our readers will recollect that
the plaintiff and defendant are two brothers, who carried on
the business of distillers in Worcester, but having quarrelled
with respect to the effect of certain arrangements they had
entered into for the purpose of carrying on the concern,
which had been established for a century, the present bill
was filed for the purpose of dissolving the partnership, and
for taking the .accounts between the parties. His Honour
this morning went at considerable length into the facts of the
case, and gave judgment, decreeing according to the prayer
of the plaintiff's bill, with costs Up to the hearing.
(Before Vice-Chancellor KNIGHT BRITCE.)
IBS HONOUR took causes to-day, and having disposed of
on his paper, rose before eleven o'clock.
( Before Vice-Chancellor WIGRAM.)
SHORT V. EMPRINGTON.
The Court was occupied the whole morning with the fur-
ther arguments in this part-heard case, which came before
his Honour upon demurrer.

ASSIZE' INTELLIGENCE.
NORFOLK CIRCUIT.--NO, wich, April 8.
(Before Mr. Justice PATTESON.)
ALLEGED MANSLAUGHTER.—Raymond Caches, aged 48,
was indicted for that he, being an apothecary and man-mid-
wife, so negligently, carelessly, rashly, and feloniously con•
ducted himself in his attendance on one Jane Mary Lovett,
in her delivery, as to inflict divers mortal wounds on her
body, whereof she died on the 9th of January last, at Cos-
tessv, in this county.
Mr. Evans and Mr. Palmer appeared for the prosecu-
tion ; Mr. Prendergast and Mr. O'Malley defended the pri-
soner.

From the evidence of Honor Mortar and other witnesses
it appeared that Mrs. Lovett had had nine children before
the occasion which tetioinated fatally, and that on former
occasions a difficulty had presented itself in the removal of
the placenta, the danger from which was well known by
medical men to increase with each labour. On the 19th of
January the poor woman was taken ill, and the defendant
called in to attend her at eleven o'clock. For some time the
difficulty anticipated did not arise, but it did at length, and
the nurses suggested further advice. The defendant, how-
ever, declined it, saving that "if there was a room full
of doctors they could do no more than he was doing."
After this he seemed to be using great exertions with the
view of relieving the patient of the placenta, and after a
while u round substance came forth, such as had never been
seen before by the nurses in their experience, and be was
then seen to use his scissors under the clothes. At that in-
stant the features of the sufferer underwent a sudden change
and shock, on which the "doctor " observed "she was very
sadly, and he would go and fetch some medicine." So say-
ing, he placed the substance above mentioned, and some
other thing which he had afterwards taken from the bed, in
a vessel, which he took away with him. In the course of
half an hour afterwards the patient died in great pain, and,
being duly buried, nothing more would, perhaps, have been
heard of the case, had not the defendant, when interrogated
by her mother, stated that the substance he had taken away
was a tumour, weighing three ounces and a half, and that
he had taken it to Mr. Crosse, the well•known surgeon in
this city. This was, for the time, satisfactory to the in-
quirer, but afterwards a suspicion was excited that the de-
fendant had not constricted himself properly towards the de-
ceased; and her body being exhumed under the direction of
the Coroner, was submitted to examination by Mr. Crosse
and Mr. Francis, who ascertained that the uterus and a
considerable quantity of the large intestines had been torn
away. The evidence of these gentlemen was given to day
to the above efftct, but as its details were of a purely profes-
sional character, it may suffice to state, that they gave it as
their opinion that great blame was attributable to the de.
fendant if the removal of those parts was ignorantly effected
by him, and still more so if it had been accomplished know-
ingly. At the same time, they admitted that the case was
not one of every-day occurrence, and that no stronger term
than ignorance ought to be attached to his treatment of the
patient, while the most skillful surgeons and operators were
known to have " made mistakes."

Mr. PRENDERGAST, .on behalf of the prisoner, contended
that the course pursued towards him was somewhat harsh,
as it was unfair to expect from every man embarked in so
critical a profession the consummate skill of an Astlev
Cooper or a Dr. Conquest, whose book on midwifery he
largely quoted.

kr. Justice PArrEsoN, in summing up the case, thought
that the question was not whether the defendant wilfully had
removed the parts in question, for no man in his senses
could do that ; but it was for the jury to say whether, under
all the circumstances, he had done more than fall into a mis-
take. For a mere error of judgment he did not think that a
medical man ought to be made criminally responsible, unless
he had displayed gross professional ignorance or inattention
to his patient. The nurses all bore testimony to his kindness
and attention, and it would therefore be for the jury to say
whether they thought he had acted with such gross igno-
rance as was imputed to him by this charge.
The jury, without much hesitation, returned a verdict of
Not Guilty.
With this case terminated these assizes, and a Norfolk
Circuit, which will long live in the memory of those engaged
in it, by reason of the very important criminal trials by
which it has been signalised.

OXFORD ClRCUlT.—Gloucester, April 8.
(Before Mr. Baron PLATT.)
POST. OFFICE ROBBERIES.---Lewin Clifford, aged 24, a
policeman of the Gloucestershire constabulary, was indicted
for having forged a receipt for money purporting to be
the receipt of William Smart, with intent to defraud Moses
Smart.
Mr. Whateley, Queen's Counsel, Mr. Godson, Queen's
Counsel, Mr. Alexander, Queen's Counsel, and Mr. Bros ap-
peared for the Crown ; Mr. Greaves defended the prisoner.
It appeared in the evidence of this singular and interesting
case, that the prisoner was the grandson of Moses Smart, the
surveyor of highways, living at Tetbury, whose son William
haofdt
hfeo tlionsda iotr cginvee npiiegnst b s.,etvhee a
Several yearsscar
o f since, in consequence
the parish, to breathe
"the air of liberty in America." The reasons for his ab-
sence having gradually diminished, he wrote to his father
ted that
a in his name, ad-
dressed letter his uncle, William
S
for 51., to enable him to accomplish his voyage to England.
The prisoner, aware of this circumstance, conceived and
executed a scheme to defraud his grandfather of 51. in the
n art t
o a followingd:h
3A manner:—lle
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Bevorten, near Tetburv, and dated
it from Saddlesworth, near Manchester. This letter he en-
closed to a friend, named Bartlett, at that place, with a re-
quest that it might be there posted that any answer to it
might be forwarded. to the prisoner, and that the transaction
might be kept a profound secret, as the writer of the letter was
desirous, for a family reason, that his friends should think
that he was residing in Manchester. Bartlett complied with
the request, and posted the letter. Moses Smart read with de-
light the intelligence that his son had reached Liverpool in
safety, and was then residing at Saddlesworth, with a com-
panion of his voyage, and the letter concluded with a request
for the sum of 5/., to discharge the liabilities of his journey
to Tetbury. The old man addressed his reply, according to
the instruction contained in the letter, to his son at Mr.
William Bartlett's, Royal Mills, Saddlesworth, intimating
that he would forward a pcst-office order for 5/., instead of
bank- note, and requesting to know at what office it should
y
be made payable. This answer was received by Bartlett,
lad assumedforged
and by him immediately forwarded to Clifford, who forged
another letter in the name of William Smart, desiring his
father to remit an order on the Manchester post-office for the
Si. This letter was also inclosed to Bartlett, who posted it at
Saddlesworth, whence it was received by Moses Smart, who
immediately proeured a post-office order, which was duly
received by Bartlett, who had been desired by the prisoner to
open it, and after gettieg the order cashed to deduct half-a-
crown for his rouble and remit the remainder to himself
(Clifford). Bartlett, unwilling to sign the name of William
Smart to the receipt for the money, wrote to the prisoner for
such authority, whereupon the prisoner forged another letter
from William Smart, giving Bartlett full power to receive
the money, who accordingly received the 5/., deducted the
half-crown fur himself, and then remitted by another post-
office order on the Cheltenham post-office, the 4/. 17s. 6d to
the prisoner. On the 30th of November William Smart
really arrived at Liverpool, and immediately proceeded to
hie father's house at Tetbury, in this county. The prisoner,
in ignorance of his arrival, sent a letter ofr thanks from the
son to the old gentleman, which Bartlett posted at Sad-
dlesworth, and which letter was delivered to the father.
after the return of his son. The contents of this letter
naturally produced an inquiry as to the post-office order;
and, on its being discovered that William Smart had never
heard cf the transaction, an investigation took place,
Bartlett was taken into custody, but released on the pro-
duction of his correspondence with the prisoner. On the
11th of December, the prisoner was arrested in Cheltenham,
and the letters from Bartlett found in his possession, toga
ther with the one from Moses Smart to William Smart,
which inclosed the post-office order. On his apprehension,
the prisoner stated to the police-officer who took him into
custody that he had received a letter from his uncle, William
Smart, who was at Bristol, directing him to inclose the
letter to Moses Smart, applying for the 5/. to Bartlett, and
that he acted only in pursuance of his uncle's instructions.
This statement was sought to be supported by the produc-
tion of a letter, bearing the Bristol stamp, of August 30,
1844, which stamp proved also to be forged, and it was also
made apparent that, at the period of that date, William
Smart was not in a position to correspond with the prisoner.
After a trial which occupied nine hours, the prisoner was
convicted, and sentenced to seven years' transportation.
John Barnard, aged 42, an agricultural labourer, was
charged with stealing from a post-office letter, at Abinghall,
on the Bth of March, a half sovereign.
The same counsel appeared as in the last case.
A letter, containing a half-sovereign, had been forwarded
by mistake to a lady at Abinghall, whose servant employed
the prisoner to carry it back to the postmaster. On his road
to the office, lie opened the letter and abstracted the money,
which he immediately changed into silver at a neighbouring
beer-house.

He was convicted, by the consent of the counsel for the
Crown, of a common larceny only, and sentenced to one
month's hard labour.

CENTRAL CRIMINAL COURT.
OLD COURT. •
(Before Mr. Commissioner ButLecK.)
FELONY.—Daniel Washbrook and James Gurney were in-
dicted for having stolen a handkerchief from the pocket of
Edward Evans.

Mr. Horry defended Washbrook.
The priseners were found Guilty and sentenced to imprison-
ment for two calendar months.
(Before Mr. Justice COLERIDGE and Mr. Justice COLTMAN.)
James Herbert, aged 24, a'shoemaker, was indicted for
feloniously cutting and wounding William Girling, with
intent to murder him.

The prisoner had lodged with the prosecutor, and owed
him some rent. On Thursday, the 27th of March, prisoner
came home about two o'clock in the afternoon, and, upon
being pressed for the payment of his rent, struck the prose-

cutor two violent blows on the head with a hammer, which
rendered him insensible for some time.

A surgeon proved that the wounds inflieted were of a
dangerous nature.

The prisoner urged, in his defence, that, exasperated by the
threat of the prosecutor to seize his furniture for rent, he
took up the hammer merely intending to hit him in the arm,
but that it slipped in his hands and so missed his aim.
Mr. Justice COLERIDGE summed up, and the jury found the
prisoner Guilty.
Sentence—twelve months' imprisonment in the House of
Correction, with hard labour.

John ►Yells, aged 25, a painter, was indicted for unlawfully
obtaining, by means of false pretences, 3/. 159. from James
Smith, 3/. ss. Cd. from Charles Hodder, 3i. 15s. from George
James, and 2/. ss. from Jonathan Lucas, and attempting to
obtain 41. 15s. from Lucretia Baldock, with intent to cheat
them thereof.

Mr. Doane defended the prisoner.
From the evidence on one of these charges, it would appear
that the prisoner had presented an order on the prosecutor,
Hodder, purporting to be signed by one Higginbottom, which
he got casi:ed, and for which the prisoner gave a receipt.
Mr. DoANE urged in defence, that the prisoner bad always
been a man of weak intellect, and one who would be very
likely to be made use of as a tool in the hands of others.
The jury tcaind him Not guilty.
Ile was then tried upon the other charges in the indictment.
The jury found the prisoner Not Guilty on the remaining
counts of the indictment, and the prisoner was discharged.
ROBEERY.—Joseph Bradshaw, aged 20, was indicted for
having on, or about, the 28th of February last, stolen two
and a half yards of t ffeed, two pieces of doeskin, and other
articles, value 2/, the property of Messrs. Mills and Hill,
drapers, of St. Martin's-Jane, his employers.
Mr. Hill appeared for the prosecution, and Mr. Clarkson
defended the prisoner.
From the evidence adduced it appeared that some articles
having been missed from the prosecutor's shop, the prisoner's
box was searched, and in it was found the various articles
described in the indictment. A portion of these articles the
prosecutors spoke to as closely resembling their missing pro-
perty, but could not swear as to their exact identity.
On the part of the defence. it was set up that the articles
in question had been give', to the prisoner by his brother—a
draper, carrying on business in Marylebone-street,
in whose service he previously had been—in lieu of wages.
After Mr. Clarkson had addressed the jury for the defence,
Mr. Justice Coledrige summed up, and the Jury returned a
verdict of Not Guilty.
Another case was raised against the prisoner, for having
pawned a piece of blue cloth—the duplicate of which was
found in his box on its being searched—which cloth a shop-
man of Messrs. Mills and Hill spoke to as closely resembling
a similar piece which they had missed a short time before the
prisoner was given into custody.
On the part of the defence, the brother of the prisonerswore
to his haying given him the piece of cloth in question more
than a year and a half ago, for the purpose of sending it to
his father, but afterwards the prisoner asked his brother's
permission to send another piece instead, which he accord-
ingly did.

After Mr. Justice Coleridge had summed up, the jury re-
turned a verdict of Not Guilty, and the prisoner was dis-
charged.
The grand jury came into Court about three o'clock, and
returned a true bill against Joeeph Connor for the St. Giles's
murder.

Anne Pendry. 30, was charged upon the coroner's inquisi-
tion with the wilful murder of tier illegitimate child.
A bill for the same offence had been preferred before the
grand jury, but it was ignored.
Mr. lorry defended the prisoner.
The circumstances under which the charge was made will
be fresh in the recollection of our readers, as they have been
recently detailed very fully in the report of the proceedings
before the coroner. The prisoner was servant at the Crown
public-house, Isleworth, and, on the 28th February, she was
seen to go to the water-closet, and, after remaining there fir
some time, she came out apparently in a very weak and ex-
hausted state, and shortly afterwards the dead body of an
infant was found in the soil. There was a slight. bruise upon
the head ; but it appeared very probable that this was occa-
sioned by the instrument with which the child was taken
from the privy, and there was no evidence to show that the
child was born alive. When the prisoner was questioned,
she said that she had been suddenly seized with the pains of
labour, and that she was delivered before she could obtain
any assistance.
Mr. Justice COLERIDGE, at the close of the case for the
prosecution, expressed his opinion that the evidence was in-
sufficient, and, under his direction, the jury returned a ver
diet of Not Guilty.

NEW COURT.
The Court was occupied during the whole of the morning
in trying an unimportant case of feiony.

POLICE INTELLIGENCE.
BOW-STREET.

Tuesday, a fashionably-dressed young man, who had
given the name of Geoffrey Brown, was charged with assault-
ing Mr. James Howell, on the stage of her Majesty's Theatre,
on Tuesday night.
The complainant, it appeared, had the charge of the pass•
room leading to the stage, and seeing the defendant and an-
other gentleman behind the scenes on the night above-men-
tioned, he went up to them and demanded their business.
The defendant stated that he had a right to be there, but his
friend immediately walked away. Some warm expressions
were used on both sides, which led ultimately to the alleged
assault—the complainant having received a violent blow on
his face.

The defendant said, that after taking a stall he wrote to
Mr. Lumley to get his name put on the pass-list, and re-
ceived an assurance from that gentleman that his wish bad
been complied with ; in addition to which he (defendant)
had been suffered to pass unmolested on a previous occasion ;
provoked, therefore, by the insolence of the official, who, he
said, had called him ad- liar, he struck the blow com-
plained of in a great passion.
The defendant denied having applied the term "liar " to
the defendant, in direct terms.
Mr. TWYFORD fined the defendant M., or a months' im-
prisenmPnt. The fine was paid immediately.
A cab-driver named James Aldridge, was charged with
assaulting Sir George Head, of Cockspur-etreet, Charing-
cross, in January last.
One evening, about three months ago, the complainant
sent his servant for a cab, to take him to Hyde-park-gardens.
On its arrival heoffered the driver ls. 4d. as his fare, but the
cabman pronounced the sum too small and refused to take it.
Sir George then offered him Is., and told him to drive to
Orchard-street, Oxford-street. The cabman again declined,
and complainant was proceeding to call another cab when
the other obstructed him, and claimed Bd. for having been
called off the rank, following up the :time by striking Sir
George on the breast. The complainant's servant then took
the number of the driver's badge, and a summons was forth-
with obtained, but, as it eventually turned out, the wrong
party (although identified by Sir George and three witnesses,
and positively sworn to by two of the latter) appeared to the
summons. The case was heard OR the 10th of January, and
again on the 15th of the same month, when the accused
proved, beyond all doubt, that at the very hour named, he
was six miles in another direction, driving an elderly lady to
chapel. The magistrate, as well as the complainant and his
witnesses, were so completely puzzled by this state of things
that the matter was suffered to drop. A period of three
months elapsed and the real offender, who had incautiously
acknowledged his own guilt. was taken into custody.
The defendant, by disputing some of Sir George's state-
ments as to the nature of the dispute, further committed him-
self, and
Mr. TWYFORD having expressed himself satisfied, from his
own defence, that the accused was the real offender, ordered
him to pay a fine of 3i. In default of payment he was sent
to the House of Correction for one month.

John and Sarah Franklin, stated to be man and wife, were
brought up on suspicion of causing the death cf their female
infant child.

Susannah Burke, on being sworn, said, I am a widow, and
live at 22, Clement's-lane. This morning I was in Clare-
street, at six o'clock, when I met Mrs. Franklin (the female
prisoner) at a gin-shop. She was having some rum, and lied
a bundle under her arm. She beckoned to me, and I went
and talked with her. I asked her how her baby was, as I
knew she had been confined a month ago. She said, "My
baby is dead." I said, " No, sure, is it ; and when
did it die?" "At three o'clock this morning," she replied,
and she then said it was at hoe in bed along with its
father. I said it was a very odd thing for her to be out so
soon after it, and so she asked me to go home with her and
help her to lay it out. I agreed to go, and we went to a
house in Charles-street, Drury-lane, where she and her hus-
band were lodging. I saw the baby in bed, and, after hud-
dling it a little, I said it was dead sure enough. I told Mrs.
Franklin that I was sure she had been overlaying it, because
(continued the witness) " it was all over as black as your
Worship's coat," I raid I don't believe, mind you, that you
would do such a thing intentionally, and God forbid that I
should charge her with it.
Mr. TWYFORD—Did she say anything else? Witness—
Yes, your Worship. When she was at the public-house, I
heard her ask a man there whether she should be taken up if
she killed her child. She asked him, " What would they do
to me for it—would they hang me?"
Ann Hinsley, Mary Skinner, and another woman, deposed
that they had seen the two prisoners the day before at a
public-house. They were both drunk, and as the woman
seemed wholly unfit to take care of her child, three of the
women present took turns to suckle it for her. It was a fine
healthy child then. They saw the prisoners safe home to a
house in Charles-street, where they slept that night. One
of the witnesses stated that on hearing the child was dead,
the next day (yesterday) she went to her and asked her
about it. The mother said it died in a fit. Witness then
said to the other prisoner, " Of course you cannot think of
burying the body without an inquest?' He replied, that
" he meant to have a parcel of old women out of Clare-
market to sit upon it."

Mr. C. J. Snitch, the surgeon to the police force, stated
that he had examined the body of the child, which presented
no external appearance of violent usage. He had not made
a post mortem examination of the body, and was, therefore,
unable to speak with certainty as to the cause of death. It
was not an unusual thing for children, previously in good
health, to die in a fit of convulsions.
The female prisoner, who was still suffering from weak-
ness, caused by her recent eonfinement and subsequent dis-
solute habits, stated that the child had a fit in the night and
died in convulsions, and that nobody was more hurt and
frightened about it than she had been.
The landlady of the house deposed to having heard the
child cry in tne night, and the mother trying to pacify it.
When all was quiet she naturally supposed that the child had
been quieted; but in the morning the mother told her that
it was dead.

Mr. TWYFORD said Caere was no evidence before him to
show that the child's death had been occasioned by violence
and, therefore, he should discharge the prisoners, who would,
of course, attend the coroner's inquest, where the matter
would be further inquired into. He did not mean to say
they were innocent. He wished to leave it to the coroner
to settle that point.
Mr. Boswood, from the Strand Union, then stepped for-
ward and stated that he had a charge against the prisoners
for deserting another child, which had consequently become
chargeable to the parish.
Mr. rWYFORD—But I would rather not hear that charge
at present. Let it be deferred.
Mr. Boswood said the parish had been put to a great ex-
pense and trouble by the prisoners, who were most drunken
• and worthless characters. The woman had only just hit
the workhouse where she was confined, and soon afterwards
their daughter became chargeable to the union, haying I,en
left by their parents at a public• house where they had been
drinking. He had been ever since trying to find out their
abode, and was anxious, now that they were taken, to press
the charge at once.
Mr. TWYFORD said he would rather not detain the pri
soners. Let the inquest take place first.
Mr. Boswood intimated that the prisoners might again
disappear, but the worthy Magistrate, who seemed by no
means anxious to get into a squabble with Mr. Wakley, de-
clined to hear the case, and the prisoners were both dis
charged.