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London, England, 1828-02-16 00:00:00

s sum of money into the office, it was entered in Latin.
The account was given in English. Suppose a payment
of 5,360/. made from the land tax revenue—it was
entered down in barbarous Latin, and certain notches
made in a piece of wood or tally, to denote the hundreds
and thousands received. Great inconvenience in other
respects arose front keeping the accounts at the Eachequet
and the Treasury. He therefore anticipated much benefit
from the labours of a Committee appointed to examine
• into the manner in which the public accounts were kept.
Whv keep the accounts at the two places? They served
only to perplex and confuse those who averc obliged to
• have recourse to them. The one or the other should
he abandoned. Why, he would, ask, should not tie
public accounts of this country be kept in the same
plain and simple manner in which they were kept in
America and France? In the latter country,, they were
kept in a manner well worthy our imitation. . This
subject had been mentioned about fonr.years ago, and some
• inquiry into it was promised, but it was postponed, as all
the ether promised inquiries would be, unless. some such
plan as he now 'suggested was adopted, by referring each
separate department to the consideration of a separate Com_
mittee. He would also propose that the Committee should
inquire, not only how the accounts were kept, but should
considi r the best mode of keeping them in a simple form,
and without that variety which served only to confuse.
There were other details connected with this subject, into
which it was not necessary to enter, as they would be best
considered in the Committee itself. To the investigation
of another Committee ha would submit the revenue and
expenditure of those Colonies which did not possess legis-
lative assemblies. The Committee should also inquire into
the amount which the maintenance of such Colonies cost
Great Britain. He was glad to find Iliat some notice was
taken of this'subject by the Right Hon. Gentleman, but he
Would extend the inquiries to all Colonies which had local
legislatures. It was notorious that in Ceylon, and other
- places, considerable revenues were squandered away without
having any account rendered as to their application. An-
other Committee might he most usefully employed in in-
- • - quiring into the manner in which the Civil List was ex-
pended, in England, Scotland, and Ireland—the salaries
- of Judges—the pensions and allowanees to Officers of State
—the expences of palaces and parksL.-(hear, hear)—and-
all the other charges-Which went to make up our iniscella-.
nevus 'ekperidittirean 'expenditure which, amounted to
• 2,500,000/. last year, and which was divided intoso many
branches, that no good result could be
"obtained from an
attempted investigation, unless by a Committee especially
appointed for that purpose. The subjects he had mentioned
all related to revenue, but there were aither matters which
also required separate investigation. He would have a
Committee to inquire into the expenditure of the army and
ordnance abroad and at home*. Another Committee would
have to consider the navy, and all the expences of the dock-
yards and marine establishments, the several items of which
would fully occupy the attention of a Committee for three
months. Besides the miscellaneous payments, he would also
inquire into expenditures under the head of civil contingen-
cies—the expences of Downing-street—the Board of Works
—the expence which particularly required investigation,
the amount of law charges—the expence and application
of Irish cbarieies,—the expense of convicts, and several
other item, which made up the long list in that
very costly department. He had no doubt, if a strict and
impartial inquiry were made into these matters, that a
saving might be made of 500,000/. or 600,0001. out
of the 2,000,000/. which they cost the country. Ile
would also have a Committee to inquire into the amount
of our funded and unfunded debt, and the cost and charges
of its managenient ; and he had no doubt it would be made
apparent, that the amount of the annual charge reduced
since 1816, had been mistaken by the Right Hon. Gen-
tleman (Mr. Peel). The Committee would also have to
inquire into the nature of the Sinking Fund, and the
source from which it was derived ; also into the arrange-
. rnent respecting the half-pay and pensions, and likewise
respecting the savings' banks, on account of which so
great an expense Was undertaken by Government. The
Committee would also have to consider why the South
Sea Corripany-avas continUed at an expense of about
• twelve thousand pounds a' year, for no other purpose but
that of paying a few hundred thousand pounds. The
- investigation of these matters would, he had no doubt,
fully occupy the Committee for three months, and the
public, he was sure, would derive much advantage from its
labours. Those matters would, he thought, afford abun-
dant occupation for the eleven committees; but if some of
them should prove too heavy for one committee, subdivi-
sions might be made of the matter; referred to one cola.
mittee ; and if the House seriously intended to benefit the
country by inquiring into its income and expenditure, they
would ardopt•this subdivision of labour, by the result of
which' the public might be freed from much of that burden
of taxes by which they were oppressed. It might be said,
that some of these committees would clash in the progress
of their inquiries; but no 'difficulties could arise on that
.aceount,"beCause two of the committees might have a meet-
ing 'whenever circumstances should require, and thus any
'obstaele to their separate labours might be removed by their
joint exertions. He would also suggest that a general coin-
- mittee 'should be formed consisting of the chairmen of all
the other eommittees;and these, jointly, should draw up
a report touching the seVeral'mattere on which their respec-
tive committees had been employed. He was aware that
the House was not fkind of novelties, and they might reject
hia'Suggestions in faionr of The proposition of the Right
Honourable 'Gentleman. Theie was, however, this dif-
ference between'the tivo,—that the one was nugatory, and
the' other efficient. • He feared that the
,Committee would
not produce the efficient results which the country expected
• fromit. Unless it reduced the Civil List, and all other
expenses, beginning with his Majesty as an example to the
. rest of the nation, the country would net be satisfied.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER WAS of
opinion, that the proposition of the Honourable Member
for Aberdeen, for appointing eleven or twelve separate coin-
mitten instead of one, would be productive of no advantage
whatever. There would- be in the Committee to be ap-
pointed ample opportunity of examining into the manner
in which the public accounts were kept, and of amending the
system in whatever particulars it might be found faulty.
The Hon Member had greatly exaggerated the defects of that
systiro when he alluded to the cutting of a stick in the Ex-
chequer. That practicewas a mere relic of barbarism, and had
long since been discantinued: But though lie .objected to
• t -the Hon. Member's preposition generally, he could assure
-him that if there should be any particular branch of the
expenditure, such for instance as that of the colonies, which
the committee should think they could nokadequately in-
-quire into, he had no objection to delegate that particular
• . 'abject to a separate cominittee. When he stated that, he
:gave. the best pledge of the intentions with which ke should
;'go into the committee, if it should be the pleasure of the
_ House to appoint him one of the Members.—(Hear-)
He would go into the committee with the full determination
(*accurately investigating, and properly deciding on, the
several topics which would be brought under his notice;
and he felt strong conviction that the labours of the com-
mittee viol& tend to reduce the public burdens, and place
the finances of the country in a materially improved con-
dition. Further than this, the House wouldexcuse peen
statists/a: His Right Hon. Friend had so fully explained
thcnature and-extent of his .proposition, that it would be
presumption in hint to say any thing further ou the subject.
The, motion •- fdethi ePpointinent of the Committee was
• then agreed to.
• Mr.- PEEL said, it Vi!'S he believed, for the
Member who moved for a Committee to propose the indi-
vidnals'of whom he desired that
He would it should be composed.
• therefore hand tthe SPeeker the list which be
-.hat drawn bp.
The-SPzAttErt then read the following list
Chancellor of the Exchequer, Mr. Maberly.
Mr. Tierney-, , Mr. Heinle Drummond,
• Mr- Berries, ''so ,' Mr. Bankes,
Sir John Newport, - Mr. A. Bating,
• Mr: :Wird, ' n! shone s Mr: R. Palmer,
Lord- Althorp, Mr. Littleton, u;
Mt: AlhhUrst, - Mr. V. Fitzgerald;
Leal Umber, •,..rit Sir H. Parnell,
krAintne, Nr. W. Horton,
Lent Rowick, Sir M. N. Ridley,
Sit-E •Knetthbull, Mr. Stanley.
The question was put, that the individuals above-named
belfembent of the Committee and agreed to.
The SPEAKER
then put the question—"
That seven
,e a quiSi-trov."
Me:BARING rose, and expressed his surprise that so
few Ministers of -the' Crown were appointed Members of
sooretary for the
the Cornmittee; The omission of the Right Honourable
Colonies him as most extraordinary.
anti.lie struck
the
vote it appeared to the House generally in the
vote light.--(Hear.)
Mr. PERI, said, that the reason why more Ministers
were not to be found in the list was, the duties they had
to-perform were so litany, and occupied so much of their
time,: that it- was iroPossible they could give any efficient
VESliee in. the Commitlee. He had himself pressed his
Welt H":-Coll (Mr. Httskisson) to be a member
of the Committee' • but he refused on the grounds which
he stated to the Rouse. *He was also desirous
thitihe Committee shoUld'llitie been benefitted by the va-
luable assistance of the Hon. and Learned Member oppo-
me-(Mk Brougham),' but hi declined being a member on
iiiieunt Of tis. minierous piOressional avocations.
Mr. BARING expressed a hope that the Right Hon.
Secretary for the Colonies would reconsider the determi-
nation to which he had come.—(" Hear," from Mr. Peel.

The whole. of the. men/here of the Committee put togethei
were not, on a subject of this description, worth the Right
Hon. Gentleman alone. His information and research
penetrated into every corner of our financial and commer-
cial system, and. to except him from the Committee win.
to shut out the greatest light That could be thrown upon
the subjects to be therein discussed.
Mr. BROUGHAM and Mr. HUSKISSON rose at the
same time. The latter sat down, and the Learned Mem-
ber addressed the House. If the object of the Right Hon.
Gentleman in rising was to refuse the entreaties made
his Hon. Friend (Mr. Baring), he was not sorry that le,
had prevented the Right don. Gentleman from effectin
his object, until he had heard him (Mr. Brougham) add In-
voice in support of what seemed to be the almost unani
mous wish of the House. Nothing that might fall Jim'
the Right Hon. Gentleman, in the course of the explain'
time which he would offer to the House of what had passe,
lately, should in any way alter his wish to have the Righ
lion. Gent. a member of the Committee. Without intend -
ing the slightest disrespect to the members of the Committee
he must say, that compared with the resources which tb
Right Hon. Gent. could bring into play, they were as dust
the;balatice. He hoped, therefore, that the Right Hon. Gent
would suffer himself to be persuaded to become a member o
the Committee. An allusion had been made to himself, ii
consequence of which he felt called upon to say a few words.
In the course of that morning, he had been informed
that an intention was entertained to nominate him a mem-
ber of the Committee. Whether the House would have
approved of that nomination he of course could not know-
He could assure the House that it was from DO disinclina-
tion towards the work, nor from any apprehension of it-.
being ill done, (for, on the contrary, he had great and con-
fident expectation that much good would result from the
labour.; of the Committee), that he begged leave respect-
fully to decline being a member of the Committee, bir
solely because of his professional avocations. Now, that
he was addressing, the House, he might say that he thought
the suggestion of the Honourable Member might be acted
upon to a limited extent,by the Committee dividing them-
selves into separate committees of seven members, to in-
quire into particular subjects, if it should be considered
necessary. He likewise thought that the Committee
should furnish the House with reports on the most pressing
subjects.

Mr. HUSKISSON considered it necessary to say a few
words, after the manlier in which he had been appealed to
by the Hon. Member for Callington, and seconded, as that
appeal was, by the Hon. and Learned Gentleman. He
certainly had, in the first communication with his Right
Hon. Colleague, on the subject of becoming a Member ot
the Committee, declined the proposition only on account of
the numerous official avocations which pressed upon him.
and occupied nearly the whole of his time. He could assure
both the Hon. Members who had appealed to him, and the
House generally, that it was not for want of the most
anxious desire on the part of his Right Hon. Colleague,
earnestly pressed upon him, that he did not form part ot
the Committee.—(.' Hear" from Mr. Peel.)—Having,
however, for several years of his life devoted the whole o!
his time to the public service, so far as his health and
strength permitted, he was now willing, if it were in ac-
cordance to the feeling of the House, to attend the Com-
mittee occasionally, and give so much of his assistance as
his health would allow, with all the zeal and ability hr
possessed. On this as other occasions, he yielded to the
expressed wish of the representatives of the people.—
(Hear, hear.)

The 'motion that " seven be a quorum" was agreed to.
Mr. PEEL then moved, " that Mr. Iluskisson be added
the Committee," which was carried.

Leave was given to the Committee, in the usual manner,
report from time to time, and

The House then, on the motion of the CHANCELLOR 01
the EXCHEQUER, adjourned at a quarter before Eight
o'clock.

PARLIAMENTARY PROCEEDINGS.

MOUSE OF COMMONS. •
NOTICES GIVEN YESTERDAY.
TlMiddy, Feb. 19.
Mr. Moore—Bill for erecting a Chapel of Ease'at Killiney,
in the parish of Monkatown, in the county of Dublin,
" and for providing for the due celebration of Divine
Service therein..

Thursday, Feb. 21.
Colonel Davies—Bill to regulate the mode of taking the
Polls in Cities and Boroughs in England.

'WEYMOUTH ELECTION, FEB. 15.

The Election still continues. Yesterday morning! the
" Purples," as the friends to Mr. Sugdeu are termed, made
the greatest exertions, and by the assistance of that syitem
of mobbing, which obtains so generally at elections in this
borough, they succeeded in obtaining possession of the
Hall as soon as the doors were opened. By this decided
advantage they were enabled to bring their voters freely to
the poll ; this they had not been enabled to do before, in
consequence of the immense mobs which Major Weyland
bad retained at a fee, it is said, of 7s. per diem, from the
quarries of Portland. That the " Purples" profited by
their exertions was evident from the state of the poll at
closing, the. numbers being

This Day. Total,
- For Mr. Sugden, 42 104
Major Weyland 24 96

Majority for Mr. Sugden lB
in the evening Mr. Sugden met his Committee and
friends at the Crown Hotel, where he addressed them in a
most energetic and eloquent manner, acknowledging the
deep debt 'of gratitude due from him to them, for the
powerful and highly successful exertions which had been
.that day made in their and his mutual cause; and he
urged them, by every means in their power, to repeat those
exertions, to be tree and firm to their colours—not to be
deterred by any mob from fulfilling their determination to
use their elective franchise, but to come forward boldly as
they had that day done, and he was assured that victory
must crown their cause. Major Weylaud also addressed
his friends, and said, that, although that day's poll bad been
against him, he did not despair ; the morrow's poll would
prove that they could and would maintain their position.
This morning it was discovered that the " Blues" had
been so excited by the victory which was obtained over them
yesterday, that they had placed their partizans at the en-
trance to • the bail as early as two o'clock, in order to pos-
sess a certainty of being the first to poll. This alertness
on their part was not met by a correspondent activity on
the part of the "Purples ;" so that at the commencement
of this day's poll, the voters for the Major were decidedly
in the niajority. The polling went on very slowly, and
at four o'clock the numbers stood—

Day's Poll.
For Mr. Sugden 8
Major Weyland .... ......12

Total.
112
108

Majority for Mr. Suplen

It was-observed, that during the day's poll, when the
Purples had by continued exertions brought their men
forward to the poll, and thus diminished the majority of
Major Weyland, Mr. Tyrrell embraced every opportunity
of introducing long discussions on the legality of the votes,
and by this manoeuvre he succeeded in maintaining for
some time the superiority which they had acquired.

SPORTING INTELLIGENCE.

HUNTING APPOINTMENTS

. FOR TUE ?RESENT WEEK.
His Majesty's Stag-hounds will meet on Monday, at-
Farnham Common ; Friday, at Richling's Lodge, near
Colnbrook—at half-past 10 o'clock ; unless prevented by
the weather, when they will meet the day following.
The Craven Hounds, on Monday, at Clench Common ;
Wednesday, at Coombe Wood ; Friday, at Welford WoOd;
Saturday, at Mr. Dundas's Lodge—.half-past 10.
The East Sussex Fox-hounds, onMonday, at the Barley
Mow, Selmeston ; Thursday, at Newick-park ; Saturday,
at Glynde Bourne.—at a quarter before 11.
The. Brighton Harriers; on Monday, near Patcham ;
Wednesday, near: the Race- Course ; Friday, near the
Dyke—quarter before 11.
The Lewes Brookside Harriers, on Monday, at New-
market 4.tiu ; Wednesday, at Ashcornbe (the alternate
WednesdaY at the Kennel, Ilford) ; Friday, at Telescombe
TYe—half-Paat 10.
The Gransden Hounds, on Monday, at Gransden-10.
Earl. Fitzwilliam's Hounds, on Aionday, at Monks-wood ;
Thursday, at
The Puckeridge Hounds,, on Monday, at Furneux Pel
Brampton Wood--10. _ -
ham ; Wedgesrlah at Great Hale ; Saturday, at Wide,-
min.—half-past 10.
The Warwickshire Fox-hounds, on Monday, at Mitford'
Bridge—half-past 10.
iur.
limey's Hounds, -on Monday, at Lours Coppice;
Saturday, at Barrington...lo.
The on Blonday, at Beeston; Wednes-
day, C
at elt?) Ihimroenileolyullds' ;
Thursday, at
Dutton Hall ; Satur-
day, at. Appltton Hall--half-past 10. -
Lord Scarbrough's Fox-hounds, on Monday, at Cantley;
Wednesday, at Croak's Ford ; Friday, at
Aston—half-
past 10.

Sir Jacob Astley's Hounds, on Monday, at Field
; Tuesday, at Duker's Bridge ; Wednesday, at Sax-
lingharn ; Friday, at Kennel—half-past 10.
The Westacre Stag; hounds, on Monday, at Congharn
Farm-house; Thursday, at the Kennel—hall-past 10.