The Sun.
London, England, 1821-03-13 00:00:00

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_it EDUCTION,;.

On the Order of the Day for the 114-use Pr -
solving itself into a Corinnitt-eo of Suppit belt);
read—

Mr. Unit rose to move the itesohlticons
lie had before proposed .to the flooss, They
the Houst. iio immediate eigient of
'reduction, butt only' to a general principle a
econenty. lie begged the wirticulitr atteution or
Members to this circumstance. He coucludea
by moving—

I. Resolved, That it appears by the offirial retairi3s ()flora
the House, th:.t the, total military establishinenl 41 Greas.
Britain and. Ireland, for 1792 (exclosive of the Earl /44,144.
and of the artillery, militia, and marine's), consisted tif 421474
men; namely, of 15,919 fur Great Britain, G0er104,•.,',
17,32:3 in the Colonies abroad ; and 15,233 in feint trad; in"
that the total military establishment of Great Ilejtaih,an*
Ireland for 1821 (exclusive of the East Indies, the earfilletTr.
the militia, and marines), consists of 84,10Woflicers
namely. -27,852 in Great Britain, Gust n;ev, &c.; of 42,470
the Colonies 'abroad; ald of 20,778 in Ireland.
2. Resolved, l'hat the supplies forthe expense' of 'the Mili-
tary Establishment of Great Britain and Ireland in it-92 were
24331,1491.; that the supplies voted for the Military Ettalikh-
!omit of Great Britain and Ireland for 1820 were 9 ,sco,incihrt,
and that the Army Estimates for 1821, now sube.eated tore
House, are only 153,4981. less than those of 1829.
3. Resolved, That there were in the service of Croat Wri"'.
lain and Ireland, in 1792 (exclusive of the real') tkr 0%1,4411
and Infantry, 25.757 troops; namely, 3,730 of IWiyaf Xrtil-
lery, 4,425 of Royal Mashies, and 17,602 of d )ivinbosll4'
and in 1821 (exclusive of the reggh,
and infanliy) the number of 1.23,49.1 troops; rm.)
engineers and artillery, 8,000 royal marines, 5 Pi9i4B
embodied militia, and 5.7,015 yeomanry cavalry an. Itivannteef
infantiy, being in number a larger force by 13 t;367 men,
available fur purposes of the Government, in this Star that,.
in 1792.

4. itesolrct!, That it k the opinion of this tic *lse, thht,
under the present circumstances of the country, 3t is aci
diem to milli,. a• large reduction in the amount an, expendl-
- of its military esta!►li•tin►etlt, and to approximy ItQ " cnom
ns possible to the establishment of 1792, as recon►r extrideil
the Finance Committee in 1817.

Lord CASTLERAGII wished to know t4e exac,t
intention of the Hon. Member.- If it wa,; merely
to have the Resolutions entered on the fournals
of the House, he apprehended that thele could)
be na great objection. If •the motive of the
Honourable Member was to secure the concur-
rence of the House in any general princi pie as to
the necessity of economy, there could be tit) great '•
objection to that, provided the motion wire ill" •
troduced at a proper time. He feared lest the
Resolutions, introduced as now proposed, Oloulti
be supposed to bear particularly on the preseot
Estimates, in which case the principle c nz,ht to
be brought forward in specific resolution ss apPli"
cable to the several
,details of those. e ithnateF-
This House as it was understood at the ,last ad"
journroent, was bound, bona fide, to go into the.
Committee on this evening. He tl7o.ivitt trio'
most natural course for- the Hon. Member to tA:e
would be to allow the House to go iilto a e
mittee, and there to bring. forwari eayopecific
proposition for reduction in the items, anc.thel
before the iringing up of the Report, the. Ites2'
lution pled-ging- the House to the general pri
ple of economy and reduction might, with i-ru-
priety, be brought forward and proposod fur die
adoption of the House.
Mr. HumE said, that if .his views were
that of the Noble Lord touching the subject ruat..
ter of his Resolutions, he might adopt the moth
which the Noble Lord had suggested ; bitt in his
0-4'll view, that mode was contrary to practice,
He intended his proposition to have the effect 'of
an instruction to the Committee o" a reStrictiott..
to the House, to confine the grants to the latcoi
possible scale of expeitce, And he put it to 60.
candour of the Noble Lord, if ,the most prope
time for bringing forward such a proposit!oM
was before the House resolved itself into a Cony.'
mittee, or after the. Committee had done its la".;
bours.. He denied that he had concurred in th°'
under Standing of suffering,' the House to go'
without any interruption into that Committee; ,
on the contrary, he had left it to be plainly un'
derstood that he would take the first opportunity
of bringing forward this very motion.

Mr.CarivLy seconiled tlie motion.
Lord PA,ott:nsTor4, would not enter into the
general argument of the lion. Member, because
he thought it not a fit subject for deliberatio4
before going into the Committee. That would-;
he _the proper time for proposing any specific re"'
ductions. But he had other objections. Tho'
Ilmi. Member had proposed the 'resolutions as:
resolutions of fact, 'whereas they contained 4
great many mistatemonts.. They stated fib: fore,"
on foot in 1792 to be 45,000, and it was iwpwardS
of 4(1,000 men. They stated the militia :to bo
17,000, whereas they were, including tile a.151.'
embodied militia,'3o,WO, being an omisAion
19,000. They stated I,he increase Of nog'

forces, comparing .this. period with the 26th
George 111. to be 32,800 more now than at that
period. The statement of the Hon. Member in-
chided the expence of the disembodied Militia for
the year 1821, and excluded that expellee for
1792. This made a difference of itself equal to
4291. A. learned sage of antiquity had observ-
ed, that there were two, things over which the
immortal gods had no power—past events, and
arithmetic. The-Hon. Gentleman had assumed
this power, which the ancients would not: allow
to immortal gods. He objected to adopting the
resolutions, because they were historically untrue.
The information of the lion. Member seemed to
be deficient; " a little learning is a dangerous
thing." He recommended the -Hon. Member
"to drink deeper." He understood the lion.
Member was Chairman of a knot of self-appointed
financiers, and that there was a regular establish-
ment of clerks to prepare this sort of motions
if so, the Ifon. Gentleman ought not, to be consi-
dered responsible for the accuracy of his state-
meats ; but he 'really thought that the clerks
ought to be reprimanded. for not doing their duty
faithfully. -He had a good mind to move for re-
turns of the salaries and emoluments of the whole
establishment, in order to 'render the neglect of
the clerks the more conspicuous, as he had no
doubt that they were most liberally paid.—(Hear ! '
f ruin the Ministerial side ; Move ! from the Op-
position side.)-He would content himself, how-
ever, with moving-, not for the return of clerks
and their salaries, but the previous question.
Mr. HumE defended the statements of his re-
solution. He maintained that there were for the
present establishments 125,000 men kept in arms
exclusive of regular forces. He would ask the
House if the objection was very valid against his
resolutions, that they stated the increase of rea-u-
-lar forces to be 32,000 ; because, as the Noble
Lord maintained, the actual increase was 35,000 ?
lie took the Noble Lord's admission. After
contending that his statements were made out in
the most candid way, and that where there was
doubt he had al ways given it against his argu nen t;
• he observed,. that as to an establishment of ,clerks
he only wished the Noble Lord was as acmrate
in his accounts as he (Mr. Hume) was in his state-
/heats, and as economical also ; for then hi) office
would not cost 60,0001. per annum. He had no
want of assistance, in the preparation of his pipers ;
and when lie had he 0141 d get it of a much better
quality, and at a cheaper rate, than tl'c clerks in
the office -of the 'Noble Lord. Again, lie con-
tended, that there were 35,000 more regular
troops-, and altogether 123,000 men in arms more
than were kept on the establishments or 1792.
lie invited the House to adopt the Resolutions as
, a pledge for enforcing economy in the departments.
After' a few words from Mr. TREMAYNE, the
House divided—
Por the previous question
Against it 74'
Majority —24
On the motion of Lord PALMERSTON the House
then resolved itself into the Committee of Supply.
Lord PALMERSTON then said, that he would
not trespass on the time of the House by ex-
pounding minute details. They would probably
he canvassed by Hon. Members, but as he did
hot know to what parts their observations would
lie applied, lie would content himself wit'i the
(:.PPortunity of replying to them. He would
"1/Ply give an outline for the consideration of the
lie
use. The principal .features of the p Tsent
41/mates were a reduction of the establish iients
aud a general diminution' of expence. They
Would prove that wherever reduction could take
Place Government had been zealous in enforcing
1.1; and where, as in a few instances, there was
'hcreased expence, the House would give them
. credit for tile dispositiOnao reduce, and consider
that in ',fume instances the increase took place in
consequence of circumstances over which Go-
e`;ninent hadno controul. The principal reduc-
v - •
"I°i' had taken place in the veteran establish,
rnents. They were set -up, as the House well
knew, in a time of alarming and imminent
danger. The Government pledged themselves
10 their reduction' in a time of peace.----:
They had thus proved themselves faith-
ful to their. pledge, and had besides shewn
that they were worthy of the confidence
which tha House had placed in them, by voting
t'stimates beyond the expenses which would ac-
tually be incurred. There would be a reduction
of 9060 men in the veteran establishment's which
wou)al cause a saving of 144,0001. The ex-
Pence of clothing had been incurred for another
Year, or the Saving would have been greater. The
entire reduction of the la-nti farce would cause a
tliminutiOn of expence equal to 374,000/. This
be chiefly effected by the disbanding tile
;.13°0 veterans, and by applying the expences of
nose establishments, according to a recominen-
;Um of the Member for Corfe Castle, to the
be erhit' la services. On the staff there would
.
diminution of .70001. by reductions in
`://ernsey and Jersey . and Ireland. On the
'Public departments there would be a dirninu-
*ollof 17,0001. On the expences of the volunteer
,c,°!llsan increase of 19,0001. Taken altogether
;;ere Atzifuld be a diminution of 367,0001. On
'expenses of Indian troops and the relative
"tal,ilishineirts there would be a diminution of
4'5001.` ithe Military College, of which
4)8001•11ml:been i-ncurred', the real saving for the
Year would be '4700/. On the pay of General
Officers a diminution of 4,500/. On the f ill pay
retirements of military officers, in- consequence
of the reductions, there' would be an increase
of 45,0001. On the half-pay there was a diminu-
tion. On the Chelsea and Kilmainliam Colleges
a diminution. On the Royal IVlilitary.College
a diminution Of 3,2001. On the Widows' Pen-
sions, in consequence of the law lately passed,
• :Mowing them to retain their pensions aftei mar-
-6,000/.‘ The total reduction of men
amounted to 9,800, the -consequent reduction of
charge 145,0001. in round numbers. The Mem-
ber for Abingdon wished the House to confine
the estimates, according to the advice of the Fi-
nance Committee, to the grants of 1817. His
Lordship stated the total supplies for 1817, the
details of which he recited to be 8,700,000/. The
supplies sought for the present year were—
Orttinarie.
Extraordinaries I ,400 000
Commissariat
401 569
IAYt3S:II gxrentes..„ „ , 237,500

making a, total of about 8,4g3,000/.: a sum leSs
than the Surri total for 1817 by 266,000/. SOCh
were the affects 'Of the contidente which the
EEouse had placed in Government, by teftising tug
allow the instruction to go to the Committee,
which had been •proposed with a view to narrow-
ing the setyices. :A comparison of the two years,
1817 and 10.1, would exhibit a,saving on each
of the items to the following amounts

On Ordinaries • L. 144,904
Extraordinarlis
Commissariat • 74.000
Expenefes Of flarraci s
Irish Yeomanry Clothing
(Laughter.)—Of course lie .did not reckon this
expence as among the necessary services for the
year, hut there would be an actual diminution of
that expence in. this year compareid with the last.
On the veteran battalions before mentioned there
would be a saving of 80,0001. ; a diminution of
40,0001. on the' expences of militia training—al-
together bringing the estimates for 1821 within
those,of.lBl7, by the sum of 707,000/. Whether
or not.these reductions would satisfy those who
were most earnest. in requiring retrenchment, he
could not say. .They would be enough, however,
to satisfy the House .that reduction and economy
.were the main objects which the Government
had in view. lie begged leave to reply to some
observations contained in a former speech of the
lion. Member opposite ; these observatiOns were
formed chiefly on a comparison between the Esti-
mates of this year and those of 1792. He de-
nied the propriety of adopting 179'2 as a standard
for the expences of this, and rejected all deduc-
tions made from such an argument. The internal
situation of the country—he did not mean it in a
civil sense—made it impossible to dispense with
such a force as that of 1792. The number of
public works erected during the war required
additional attendance to prevent •dilapidations
and expences of repairs. The vast accumulation
of public property in every quarter of the country,
in the way of stores, required to be effectually
guarded. • The extension of colonial and foreign
possessions required angmented forces to pre-'
serve them.. There was nothing in the circum-
stances of 1792 to make the Estimates of that pe-
riod applicable to. those of 1821. In 1792' the
establishment, including -officers, amounted to
43,578, according to the statement. But it is
not fair to state that this was actually the .esta-
blishment; for; according to the Journals, it
appears 'that there were 16,000 men more
than that'Estirnate. At' present the establish-
ment of the new, Colonies is 15,299 men ;
and when the House is au-are that this
is for- the garrisons of Malta, the ,lonian
Islands; Ceylon, and our most valuable pos-
sessions, for which we have made the greatest
sacrifices, which are the most important in a mi-
litary, a political, or commercial point of view,
they would, he was sure, consider that it was
not too much ; because, although not at war, we
should be prepared for any sudden emergency,
and nothing short of this would at all answer for
the purpose of preparatory defence. In the old
Colonies there are 2614 men, including officers.
In the lonian and Leeward Islands, and New
South Wales, there has been a great increase
since 1792, and this increase .must necessarily
occur. The population has greatly increased, by
the. number of persons sent out, of a character
extremely difficult to govern, and therefore the
increase is necessary. The estimates of Ireland
he should leave to his Right lion. Friend the
Secretary for Ireland (Mr. Grant), and he was
sure the House would find they were not' greater
than. that country required. In Portsmouth,
Plymouth, Chester, Hull, Jersey, and Guern-
sey, there was an excess of 4839 more than in
1792. With respect to regiments quartered in
foreign stations, he wished to state, that the only
way to send out relief Was to send out whole re-
giments. In every regiment that returns home
there is a considerable defalcation, in consequence
of which the expence to Great Britain of refit-
ting these regiments is very considerable. It will
be admitted by all persons that have attended to
these matters, that it would be advisable that
these regiments should conic home every ten
years ; now, according to that system, there
should at least 5,200 men go out annually. This
statement, he trusted, would satisfy Gentlemen
that there did not exist a greater force than is
necessary to accomplish all the purposes that
would be desirable. The Hon. Gentleman con-
tends that the regiments should be established on
-the system of SOO_men each. In considering thew
establishments, three things- should be taken into
consideration : Ist, the regiments should be fitted
up on the. most economical principles; 2d,, the
regiments should he fixed, and in their present
condition efficient ;. 3d, their organization should
be such as to afford the power, in case of a sud-
den war, to fit them up quickly and cheaply.—
En the year 1792, the regiments barely consisted
of 400. They were in fact quite inefficient.
When a war broke out they were obliged to send
detached.coinpanies to different regiments, and in
fact,-so low an establishment could never be aug-
mented at the beginning of a war with .any effect.
When you add a parcel of raw recruits to a regi-
ment- it partakes of the character of the majority,.
land becomes, in point of fact, a young regiment.
,He therefore thought that the regiments now pro-
posed of 650 the most efficient, and he trusted that
the House would be of opinion that the establish-.
ments, as they are at present arranged, did not de-
serve their censure. But says the Hon. Gentleman,
in some points, at least, it is objectionable—the
Life Guards, for instance. But the House would
find that they are not greater
.now than in 1792.
En fact, it became a question whether it were ex.-
pedient to have any troops on more advantageous
conditions in respect to tank and pay than others.
He was of opinion that it would be an advan-
tage to have those troops, immediately about the
person of the Sovereign, in a more advantageous
station ; and it would be for the House- to de-
cide if there were any thing in the character of
this regiment, of valo it or bravery, that en-
titled them to these distinctions.—(hear, hear.)
The Honourable Gentleman has stated that the
price of. corn • is now reduced to the price of
1792. That may be, hut other articles are by
no means .reduced in the same proportion. Nei-•
ther the price of meat, nor the price of apparel
, are at all reduced to that level, at least'as far as

he could learn. With regard Co the .Pay- Of ;of-
ficers, he was sure the House tritist be a*are that
it was frentiently inadequate to meet All -the 'ex;
pencet.neCessarify attendant Omi the discharke of
their Military duties:—( Hear, liQar)—and if there
were tint an over-ruling necessity from the ethbar-
rasSed state of the country, he must say.; that
after a., long .war, after these gallant nielm had
rescued the country by their heroic exploits from
perils • and dangers, the Hon. Gentlenien had
chosen at least an ungracious period for bridging
forward their complaints—(t4 Hear, hetti-;" from
the Opposition) ;—and he was cure that a Bri-
tish house of Commons Would never sanction
such a measure.—(Cries of ‘c• hear, hear:")—ln
1802, the-first half year of the Estiniates of the
foreign staff were 55,0001.; the second half year
20,0001.; making in the whole 75,0001. But
Gentlemen seem 'to have taken the Es-timates of
-1803, and not of .1802.; and he thought that
Gentlemen would perform their duty to that
House with little advantage, if they took their
Estimates for the • following year from the
year past. With respect to • 1792, The staff
that was then presented for never did
exist ; and unless we were prepared -to
go back to the old military discipline, or
rather no discipline, they must feel that there
could be .no fair comparison instituted between
1792 and the present times. Some are of opinion
. that the army is too large ; others, that there
should- be• no army at all. He did not understand
the meaning of either of those two propositions ;
but this he thought, that it would be setter to
keep no army at all,:,unless it could be kept bet-
ter than in 1702. There was no order, no discii.
pline then observed ; and such was the irregu-
larity that then existed, that he feared very much
if the lion. Gentlemen were so anxious to obtain
the estimates of that day, as 'Alley are at present,
they would have found it much more difficult to
see them. The Ilon. Gentleman next comes to
the public departments, and here he says a consi-
derable increase has occurred since 1'792. Uqques-
tionably there did ; but a considerable reduction
has taken place since 1814, and if -they com-
pared the Estimates of that year with, those of
the present, they would .find that there is a saying
of 80,0001. a year, which will spew at least, That
if there has not been a reductiona
time (lloo.gyteqrllttenriesnot
and dime all in their
ghar7et
aatstenimlidgehdt )see•dduelsoiuresldy,,
power. But he again proteSted against any com-
parison with 1792. There was nothing in which
they could with propriety be compared. The
system was different.—(llear, from the Opposi-
tion Benches.)—There is not the smile regularity
nor the same accuracy.—War.)—He took no
credit. to the Government for khat : it wasdone
by that House. The house attended to the
affairs, and the. Government was compelled to
do their duty.=(ilear, hear ! from the Opposi-
tion Benches.)—Gentlemen cheer on the-oppo-
site side, as •if they took the sole *credit to the M-
. but we cannot make bricks without
straw, and it was a little too much for Gentle-
men to come down to the House with whole quires
of motions under their arms-----(liear !)—and
cry out for accounts in a hurry, and having got
these. accounts, complain becaus,e,Aey are not
balanced with 1792. This conduct' was quite not
with any sound principles of economy.
The IToa. G entleman complains of the superannua-
tion and retiring allowances as being too large.
But lie was sure the House would feel that some
liberality should be shewn. When we are re-
ducing our establishments, and turn off persons
after 20, 30, and 40 years servic, after.havin,
speando
at
rtel
tlisc bestm r of f t hrdays
it
t
period
m ‘lvt public
eu theyservice,
and
rrrne un-
f‘itvitfloi for other
ti,elit,',ortafilcie it
liberality of
of
a wouldgr great a i
alt..: quite
oinconsistent
tt
them a liberal allowance. The Noble Lord then
made an allusion to the Duke of York, who un-
dertook the management of the army from the
most pure and disinterested motives ; aad any
one that will compare the state of thearMY now
with what it was before. he undertook the ma-
nagement of it will feel persuaded, that, were it
not for the exertions of that illustrioos individual,
not all the valour of the Duke of Wellington,
nor the bravery, of the British ar nv, would have
been able to place the country in the situation.
in which 'it is at present.—(hear, hear?)—The
Noble Lord concluded by moving the first reso-
lution—
" 'I 81,0;8 men be the standing tare *of Great Britain
and 1i eland, exclos, ye of the troops for India and the Colo-
nits, for 1821.
. Col. D.tymcs defied any man to decide whether
the statements of the Noble Lord, o: Mr. flume,
were the most correct ; but he would say, that .his
IfOn. Friend's statements were substantially cor-
rect. It was hiS intention to move that the
Chairman should report progress, aid ask -leave
fo sit again, in order not to impede time public
business, but to move for. a'Select Committee to
inquire intolhese extensive' and important details.
The Committee would have to inquire into what
he would contend were prima.facie. cases of abuses,
and -probe them, amid sift them to the bottom.
How could they:get at an opinion as to the num-
ber of men required for particular garrisons with-
out bringing Officers -.from all parts of our Euro-
pean diminions, to examine them at the bar on
those points. They could not tell the reductions
in various departments, because they had not the
Estimates before them. lie • compared the •
amount of the present Estimates; of this year
with those of .1819, which _shelved an in-
crease of 69,000/. and yet this was called
a. reduction. The permanent. charges amount-
ed to 149,0001. over those of .1819. Was
this not a matter which required inquiry ?. Every
part was now studded with Barracks, and in all
cases, where the Civil Power used formerly to be
employed, there was now nothing but calling in
the Military. lie could show that a considerable
reduction might be made in our military establish-
ment without danger to our colonies. Would any
man say that a standing army, amounting to
nearly 100,000 men, was 'necessary in a time of
profound peace ? Was. this a time, when time peo-
ple were bearing their burdens with unexampled
patience, to increase the, already intolerable
weight of their-burdens ? Such an army- was not
necessary among a people who took no advantage
of-the drawing the troops to the metropolis dur-
ing the Queen's investigation—not even in those

distrkts.—
confelided, that I.l;luctionsl-4isllt be Made in
the number of trooti,l ,in the MAiterranean; in
North Atheriea, the-West Indies, ?t: Helena; Itt (•
In 1789, there were but .18 reohneniiiif cavalri!';
there were noht Reductions, made
to the amount of 10,00,0 men., without ihjtiry to
the public service. In the cavalry there might
be a saving made. to the amount of 62,000/.
would. appezil to any military man hi. the tlouSe,
whether_ the Waggon Train was of any use in
time of peace. Supposing every cavalry regi-
ment to move at the rate of 100 miles in a
• change of stations, the country .was -at the ex,
pence of 41. 'a mile. He wished a reduction of
15 liattalidns to be made in the. Regulars which
would be tin amount of saving of 375,0001.,
without reducing the Veterans at all. He
wished also the second Majors to be reduced ;
and altogether his saving over that of the Noble
Lord would amount to 181,000/. He also,
wished • a greater number of Officers to be
put upon half-pay ; but that wherever a vacancy
in the Army should occur, it should be filled
up out of Officers on half-pay. He intended to
rodve au Address to his Majesty?, that he 'Would
be pleased to give no one a commission hi his
Army-iiht officers on half-pay. There was scarce-
ly a department in the Army where he did not
see the, possibility of making salutary reductions.
The amount of salaries in the year 1796, ih the
office of 'Secretary at War, was only 29,000/.
t was now above 49,0001. ; and he would ask, it
that did hot demand inquiry. He called on every
friend of economy to vote for this Committee of
Inquiry, which he should propose to be composed
partly of those opposite, those on his side of the
House, and those of no party at all, Thus th..
Committee would be fairly and impartially form,-
ed. Ile then moved that the Chairman should
report progress, and ask leave to sit again.
Mr. D sWiON said, that in the present state of
the country, nothing but the most rigid economy,
and even parsimony, could avail. 'T
-he sum of
6.,600,0001. was much too great for, the expendi-
ture of the Army. It was impassible to go on
under such a system ; and economy was in no
branch so desirable as in the expenditure of the
Army. , Ile must declare that a great reduc-
tion might be made in the Army of Ireland.
That country was now in a state of complete
tranquillity, and there was every reason- to be-
lieve that state of tranquillity would continue ;
`20,778 nten was too great a force for that country ;
as there was a Yeomanry force that could preserve
the public tranquillity. If it was said; that such
a force was to be kept up with a view to a future
war, he most say-, that the country was unable to
go to war; or,,in the event of a war, he trusted the
country would rely on its naval . force. The
Trade and Agriculture of the coulltry was in a
most distressed state, as appeared from the Peti-
tions on the table. Ile had heard with alarm
some opinions delivered on the subject of the
National Debt. One Hon. Meniber said, that
it was impossible to pay the dividends ; another
said on that subject that ad impossibile nemo te-
r:dare—This conflict between the commercial
and the agricultural part of the country was such
as ultimately to threaten a civil war. Though he
,was-not prepared to support the motion of the
lion. Member, he wished.that a further reduc-
tion, had been made. : •
Mr. Maeno N ALI) said, that the impression made
on his mind by the speech of the lion. Member
for A bpr,leen had not been weakened by any thing
he had heard from the other side of the House.
Ile was very sot-1y he could not share in the tone
of self-gratulation assumed by the NOble,Secre- -
tary at IVar. Ile hailed with much satisfaction
that the Noble Lord referred, to 1792, as
on a former occasion he had -said a reference
thigh; as well be made to the Saxon HeptarchY,
No one had contended that the year 1792 was to
be the standard of the expenditure of the present
year : all that had been said was, that. we should
look to that year in the expences'about to he in-
curred. On •:the •subj-ect of the half-pay not
much was to be said ;• tint God forbid that faith
should not be kept -with those who had spent the
prime of their-lives in the service of their coun
try ; but in this-and any other class, faith could
only be kept by aoystem of strict-economy. lie
firmly believed the reduction to the amount stated
by the Member for Aberdeen, was perfectly
practicable. It had been said that the pay of the
soldier was double what it had been' in 1792 ;
but the-pay of the soldier should bear a propor-
tion to tha wages of the labouring part of the com-
munity ; and the same proportion did not take
place in their wages. The value of money had, by
the measure of- the resumption of cash-payments,
risen 20 per cent.; and he thought that the increase
which had taken place on account of the depression
of the currency, should-be done away, and a dinzi-.
notion of 10 per cent. might thus take place. On
the subject of our forces abroad, and in the Colo-
nies, the superiority of our Marine rendered a
small military force necessary. Did the Noble
Lord see no- risk from an excessive expenditure
He did, not undervalue the importance of the
Colonies ; though, at time same time, he must re-
collect that they were free from that load of
taxation which pressed so hard on the Mother
Country. It had been said by' a foreigner, that
the moment England got a colony, she raised it,
-in point of expence, to the state of an empire.
The expellee 'of the new- colonies was now
greater than that of all the colonies before the war.
The force df the garrison of Gibraltar might dis-
pense with any other force in •the Mediterranean.
The remaining class of Estimates was our forces
at home. • The force-of the country amounted to
from 48,000 to 50,090 regular troops, exclusive
of the yeomanry and the veterans lately
called out without the authority of Parlia-
ment. If the system of taunting the people
should be persevered in, not ten. times the. actual
force would be sufficient to maintain the tran—
quillity of the country. if the affair of Manches-
ter was meant as-an experiment on the patience
of the people, that had amply succeeded ; as also
if it was meant to skew what a small military
force could disperse the largest unarmed- multi-
tude. Amidst ail the alarms spread by Ministers
and their adherents, they-disbanded the 11,000
men that they had raised without necessity, and
then took the credit of economy.. One point

•, •
must flitide to, a phenomenon in . Police
of the Country unheard of before, that in tbi
fey+ ektsei of thischi'ef ilgLitipst. the Stat; not a
spy but tni cormnon with the
GoveinMeilt; had been einpidyed, and
.the Se-
cret CoMtnittee Of I clt had declared that tiler{
appointed ti dicOer the ploti of the disaffected
had•beeti ittive histiglitors: The_ recilt case
of Franklin slidsyed the extent 16 vi•hich this sys 7
teni had been carried: But it was. not too late to

titre the evils which the conduct 6fMinisters
caused ; and, aboe all, flinch could
retreilitnent, especially in Ireland. Tice
mates appeared 'to be frained with a View t 4
possibility at least of reothing military operAtions
dji the Continent. But he, mUst protest Adainit
such a possibility. The expellees of the war had
amounted to I.OUO millions; and after such effOrtSi
the country would, at least, require•a,cynttirjr of
repdse. He Would not appeal to. the N'oble. Lord
,(Castlereagh) who, from .‘vititGer=.
man Diplortiati; Wits spoiled as a British PO-
tician. He shoUld,nioVe a redUction of 10,4)
men in the force to be kept up.
Mr. C. GIANT concurred in the opinion tF.j.t
Ireland was quite tranquil ; only a feW
months back, *het i he had asserted that Ireland

would continue tranquil, his lion. Friend had
aimed his shafts at his }lead; and launched hi§
philippics at Mini Init notwithstanding all tfie:
predictions of his lion. Friend, he now atinftb.d
that Ireland was trangtill Ile (Mr. Grant) was
as anxious as any man could be, that the "force ht:
Ireland should be diminished ; but that must lie
gradual.; and the force this year in Ireland was
3000 mec► less than in the last year . The priu=
ciple of reduction was to be maintained; bUt that
reduction must be /tradUal. But the lion. Geri
tlemin (Mr. Dawson) had not pointed otit the,
practiCability of a single reduction. Ile (Mr.
Dawson) should have std in what part of the
Military -EstablishmOlt a reduction could take
place.—(Loud cheering.)
Sir H. VIVIAN lamented that in l'mc2 the
country had not a greater disposable force, as
part of the disastt.is of the first year of the war
Might have been avoided. The events passing in
Europe made the keeping up
,of a considerable
force necessary. In the cavalry the, reductio.t.
should be confined to
_horses alone, and the ske-
letoti regiments ought to be kept up.. The half-
pay of many Officers was not more-than the in-

terest of money paid for their commissions. The.
Medical Board had been exonerated from all
blame, though he thought the expence of. the
Optha!mic Institution should be contracted':
Mr. C. HuTcutssoN said, that a base con,
spiracy had been formed against the character of
Sir W. Adams, though he (M-r. 11.) had made no
charge against the Medical Board.

Sir'll. VIVIAN, Mr. BARHAM, and Mr. Daw-
SON, severally explained. •
Mr. BERN ILL said, that the motion of his Hon.
Friend.was for the appointment of a Committee-to
inquire if further reductions were practicable.
His' side of the House would allow a-short Mutiny
Bill, and a Vote for a certain number of men.
Mr. BENNETT could not.vote three millions and
a half of -money, and 80,000 men, without discus-
sion. One thing had been kept out of view,
whether ti,ie.country could pay such a force. lie
was firmly of opinion it could riot. The Hon,.
Member then read the opinion of the Committee
of 1817, recommending an approximation to the
low expenditure of 1792; and in that point Qf
view he should vote for the redaction of the mi-
litary force by 10,000 m ,n. Should the liouse
tell Ministers that they would not vote such,a
force the Estimates world be reduced'; and he
conceived 15;000 men would be quite stillickent for
Ireland. The proposed reduction could be made at
home, without affecting the Colonies. There were
51,000.liilitia and. 31,000 Yeernanry Cavalry, and
8000 infantry, and the whole amount _of force
wa§ 168,0 W in,Great Britain, loopoo of whom
could be immediately called into action, and the
rest in-a very short space of time. He hoped
for the support of the Memlier for Corfe Castle,
from what. he had said on, a former occasion.- He
could not-see why a force should. be kept up to
protect, old naval stores; as the Marines were
sufficient for that purpose. Great establish-
ments created discontent, and that discontent
was made a pretext for a large establishmeut.
Lord CASTI.EREAGH would -first state :the mil:-
tarp grounds on Which the numbers Were pro-
posed. The increase for the old colonies was
only 2000 more than in 1792, and the number
for the new colonies was not objected to. The
state of Naples had nothing to do with the num..
beis proposed to be voted. The Noble Lord
proceeded to comment on the proposed redaction
of 10;000, and contended that such a reduction
could not be made consistent with the public ser-
vices required from the army. The 10;000
raised tWO years ago were now reduced, Ahd
,nit
to be found- in the Estimates. The force now in
our Colonies was not more than sufficient for
their protection. The army at home was not
more than 29,000, and if that sum was now to he
reduced 10,000 more, it would not lerive 20,-000,
a number.- not sufficient to make the necessary-
change with the Colonies, ,to say- nothing 'of the
safety and security of ourselves at home. yllo
contended that with the recnl!.ection of the re-
cent disturbances in various .parts of the country,
to. make a reduction of 20,000 men in one veuri
and to ledve the Executive with only 20,000 dia-'
posable force, would be to risk‘the safety of'the
Empire. The Honourable Member , for Aber-
deen had talked loudly of reduction ; ar.d stated
high sounding numbers as savings; sometimes -
-3,00010001. sometimes 4,000,000/. ; but the lian.
Member had not pointed out any specific head On
which any 'saving could be 'made. The House "
was now in a Committee, and if the HotiourrEble
Member had any specific reduction to propose;lie
had the opportunity, and the Committee Could
now dikuss it; and if the Honourable Mem-
.ber could point out any way by which a greater
saving than that proposed, could he made, lie
(Lord C.) would adopt it must zealouSly. The '
lion. Member, however, should recollect that the.
saving proposed to be made was 1,101,0001. which-,
would' bring the EStinvites. within thoie,.:9f
1818,., and within 86,0001. of the Estiiriate're-
comthended by the Finance Committee in
1817. The Noble Lard then adverted to

-what had been said on the subject of public
distress and contended that Government had
, the greatest anxiety, from personal motives,
to relieve., if possible, that distress; and. he t
as-
serted, that as great. a reductionliad been made
in the expenditure as could be made consistent
-with the pnblic service ; and to hold -out to the
people the fallacious hope of ,saving sufficient to
relieve the people, was to deceive them, and was
what no. fair or honest man would assert, and
,whenever he heard such assertions made, he
..,would always protest against it, as the language
of tntiammation, and not of argument.
~. Mr. CALCaAFT replied to the Noble Lord ;
•he denied that himself, or any of those who
_sat near him, made statements intended to
delude the people; but he was persuaded
the Noble Lord.mUst, by his, conduct in support-
' in an all occasions, the burthens under which
, the people laboured. J-le contended that 145,0001.
was the extent of the reduction which had taken
place between the . Estimates of this and the
'last year. He contended, that after a reduction
of 10,000 men, the 20,000 would still be suffi-
cient for all the purposes here at home, as every
111!iary Officer agreed that 10,000 men were
sutaient to release the 50,000. men kept in the
The lion. Member then proceeded to
take a review of • the present state of the army
and of the country, and gave his unqualified sup-
Tort to the proposition for reduction..
Mr. licitussoN defended, the present system,
and. contended that the saving recommended by
the lion. Member could not be attempted consist-
. ent with the public safety.. lie contended that the
statement of the lion. Member,. that the saving
amounted to only 110,000/. was incorrect. The
saving- in the army alone this year. was upwards of
700,0001. Ile then adverted to what had. been
said of the relief to t'.e garrisons in the colonies,
, and' contended, that after another 10,000 was
taken, as proposed by the lion Gentleman on the
ether side, it would be impossible to keep the re-
"lii4s. lie had heard -with great satisfaction that
th,ere was not the most distant prospect of this
country being called on to repel any ,attack from
any party. But he Could not sit by and hear it
said that this country was not in a situation to repel
force by force. On the contrary, no country on the
face of the earth was in a situation equally ca-
pable of defending itself„ if called on so to do.
Mr. MABettr,-r defended himself against .the
.charge of-delusion, and pledged himself to prove
. in a-Committee that much was to be done in the
way of economy and retrenchment,.which would
be a material benefit to the country.
The question being then loudly called for, the
House divided on the Amendment proposed by
Colonel Davies. The numbers were : ,

For Adjournment 75
Against it
Nlajmily —93
. The Committee divided on the motion for reporting pm
gresg— •

Ayes
Noes

21E;
Majority —7-121
A divi,ioo then took place on a motion for Adjournment—
' Ayes -2
Noes 209
Majority —ll7
Three ether divisions followed on similar motions, on which
the ntifubers.were as follows—
Ayes 62

Noes .. 220
Nlajoi ity -158

Ayes 6O
Noes 2l-2
.71Injority -152

_
Ayeß 4B
Nucs l5B
Majority -110
Ou the motion of Mr. GOIthON that the second Report
of the Finratce Committee should be read, the Committee

Ayes
Nori

, 162
Majority —ll7
Another division took place in a motion that the Chairman
should report progress—
Ayes 47
Nor, 16,1
Majority A. —ll7
At twenty minutes past .3 o'clock this Imo fling., strangers,
after at exclusion between three and four hours, were again
admitted to tia. gallery. Ministers were at that time silting
on the Opposition benches, their places being occupied by
their opponents. _ _ _ _

• Mr. fiUME was speaking.—He concluded by moving that
the Act of %Vilna:D.llF. cap. I, scc. 4, should be read.
The Committee divided—
Aces 43
Noes 144 -
Majority ----101
The Committee again divided on a motion for reporting
progresl,7

Ayt
Noes .

143
Majority. —lo3
Another diviiion ensued. tin the motion that the Chairman
reyort progress.
rot- the Motion
• Against it
Majority —lo7
Fresh candles haring bei•ii brought in, Mr. lAMB-TON
trp,e,lt hat they should be exctuded. On thi.; the final division
took p4-ace—
_ _

For the Motion
Against it
Maj gilt• -108
Lord CASTLERF.AGI-1 then,to sate the Howie front further
incOrivenience itt this respect, inured th‘it the.Chein wan repot t
procress, which bring done, he-061.111prd leave to sit again to.
11101 TOW.
The other Orders of the Day were then disposed of, and at
FIVE O'CLOCK t his Morning the House adjourned.

MR. ALEXANDER BARING'S MANSION.—The
plan is already fixed upon : It will be built of
Portland Stone, in the style of a Roman villa.—
One unique feature this house will possess, viz. .a
semi-circular terrace in front. It will command
a fine extensive view of the Surrey Hills and surr
rounding scenery.

BRIDGE WARD.—The Election of Mr. GAR-
RATT, as Alderman of this Ward, was yesterday
formally declared by the LORD MAYOR amidst
the loudest cheering.
The Post Masters of Brighton have deter-
mined to reduce the price of posting to ls. 3d.
per mile.

SON.; OF ERIN !! !-Next Saturday will ,be a
busy day all over the Untied Kingdom, as it is St.
Patrick's Day.—W hat with feasting, charity, and
the Lottery, there will be enough to do ; and as
the Lottery entirely ,finishes that day, we'hope
the Natives will be as successful as they were
last Drawing Day, when they got the entire of
one of the £21,000 Prizes. It would be a snug
thing to get one of the Three 221,000 that muss
be drawn next Day of Drawing,and which is the
day of their tutelar Saint ; and it would be doing
the thing rudely to pocket 20,000 and give the
other Ri,ooo to the Charity !—Let St. George
and St. Andrew get the other Two R21;000.

THE SUN.

SOLEM BUTS DICERE FALSUM AUDEAT?

LONDON,
TUESDAY, MARCH 13, Is2l.

We received this morning Paris Papers of Sa-
turday last. From Naples we learn that two
Austrian divisions were to form a junction at
Foligno, and march instantly upon Aquila. It
was expected that hostilities would' soon take
The PRINCE REGENT has addressed a

place.

Proclamation to the Army ; its style is simple,
but the sentiments are patriotic and noble
know," says the PRINCE, " that the Throne
which I have ascended is a Throne of Iron."—
Sicily is calm. The British Squadron stationed
off that Island is decidedly only one of Ob-
servation.

Intelligence from RoMe of the 25th ult. states
that the Austrian Army coming from Tuscany,
whose advanced guard was then defiling under
the walls of that city, is 50,000 strong, and well
furnished with artillery. The second Army,
which marches along the shores of the Adriatic,
and also, passes through the Roman States, is of
equal for Ce. Both these Armies will form a junc-
tion at Foligno. It is supposed that the AD-
VANCED POSTS OF GENERAL PEPE, behind the
Tronto, HAVE ALREADY BEEN RECONNOITRED
BY THE HUNGARIAN HUSSARS. This confirms
the accounts from Naples, reported above," and
there is little doubt but hostilities have corn-

• menced.-
Madrid Journals of the 2d inst. mention that a
Deputation of the ,Cortes waited upon his MA-
JEST Y on the 25th ult. to entreat his MAJESTY
would deign to open the session in person on the
Ist. The KING seated on his Throne replied in
the following terms

" I am informed that the Cortes have assembled.
I shall assist with great pleasure at the opening
of their Session. From the wisdom and prudence
of the Deputies I expect that energetic measures
will be taken to stop the course of evils with
which the nation is threatened, the precursors of
which manifest themselves in the insults offered
to my dignity and person, in contempt of the
Constitution."

The President re-plied "that the Cortes would
justly appreciate his MAJESTY'S condescension in
assisting at the opening of the'Session. With
respect to the object specifically mentioned by
his MAJESTY, the Cortes were not, charged with
the maintenance of public order; but that in per-
forming their proper functions, they would, with
the greatest cheerfulness, expect every means in
their power to satisfy the just wishes of his MA-
JESTY."

On the Ist inst. his. MAJESTY proceeded to the
Hall of the Cortes, and after having been receiv-
ed with the accustomed ceremonies, opened the
Session in a long speech, of which we shall give
the substance, and the whole of some of the most
interesting passages.
" Gentlemen Deputies,—Surrounded for the
second time by the worthy Representatives of
this heroic nation, which has given such great
and shining proofs of its love and devotion to my
Royal Person, I heartily return thanks to the
Ar.mionTy, who, after having placed me on the
Throne of my ancestors by the valour of my
faithful subjects, has deigned to consolidate-it
on the basis of the• Constitution, sanctioned by
the Extraordinary Cortes, and which, conform-
ably to the wishes of the people, I have sworn to
observe."

His MAJESTY then recommends the Cortes to
resume the consideration of the salutary and ju-
dicious measures, which were enacted and pro-
posed during the last 'Session for the revival of
public credit, the encouragement of agriculture,
arts, manufactures, and commerce, and the cor-
rection of abuses in the internal administration of
the country ; and stated there was every pros-
pect of a progressive improvement in all these
different branches. The actual state of South
America with relation to Spain continued the
same, but his MAJESTY hoped' that a knowledge
of the late events in the Mother Country would
induce those Provinces to re-unite themselves to
her. His MAJESTY afterwards alluded to the-
late disturbances, and trusted the Cortes would
take prompt measures to put a stop to these dis-
orders, and furnish the Government with fuller
powers to maintain public tranquillity. The
relations of Spain with Foreign Powers were
stated to be amicable and pacific, and his MA-
JESTY added, that he had ratified the Treaty
ceding the Florida„s to the United States. Next'

.'ollows this important and interesting para-

graph :
" The decision. of the Congress of Troppan,
which has been-persevered iu at Laybach by the
Sovereigns of- Austria, Prussia, and Russia, of
interfering in the alteration made in the Consti-
tution of the Two Sicilies, has excited my live-
liest anxiety, not only because the Royal Fa-
mily of that kingdom are allied to mine by the
ties of blood, and the happiness of that natioti is
dear to me, but also because it is of the utmost
importance to the independence of every State,

that the rights of Nations and Princes should be
religiously respected. I have in consequence
thought it indispensable to the honour of my
Throne and the dignity of the great People whom
I have the glory of governing, to declare to the
Allied Sovereigns that I will recognize nothing
opposed to the positive rights of the People, on
which depend the liberty, independence, and
prosperity of nations, principles which Spain
will respect inviolate above all others. I have
the satisfaction of ,communicatinm to the Cortes
that the Ailed Sovereigns, according to the lat-
est information which I have received, have
agreed to recognize these principles with regard
to Spain."
His MAJESTY concluded his Speech by repeat-

ing his complaints of the insults and indignities
offered to his Royal Person during some time
past, which complaints his MAJESTY-• had pre-,
viously made to- the 'Deputation of. the :Cortes
that waited on him on the 25th ult. His MA-,
JESTY was interrupted sevtral times by repeated
applause, and was obliged more than once'to de-.
wand the attention of his, hearers by signs and
demonstrations full of condescension and benig-
nity. The-most enthusiastic applauses followed
the conclusion of the speech.
FRENCH FUNDS.
• March 9.—Fire per Cents.' 95 f. 45 c.
Ditto for the Opening 0n1.9.3 f. 60 c.
the 22d itist.
. Bank Stock 1532 f. c.

The last news from the: Brazils is dated Para,
Jan. 4. The Revolution has been effected with-
out bloodshed, and seems likely to attain its ob-
ject. A Proclamation has been issued, and the
members of the new. Government are chosen. All
the measures have been adopted under the name
of the KING, but with little, respect to the Royal
character. The Proclamation begins in the fol-
br4ing manner Inhabitants of Para—this
day we break the fetters iii which despotism, vio-
lence, and ignorance have bound us," &c. Such
language does not promise much for the conti-
nuance of the Royal authority.

The mischievous attempts of a certain Party
Print to deter his MAJESTY from visiting Ireland,
unless he assents to the full restoration of Po-
PERY into the British Constitution, have already
given birth to a report, that his MAJESTY has re-
lfnquished his intention. But, from an authority on
which we rely, we may venture to assert, that his
MAJESTY iS MA to be diverted from his gracious
purpose of gratifying his loyal Irish subjects by
any of C[ the paper bullets of the brain;" which
may be directed against him by the malevolence
of faction. his reception, we are persuaded,
will be a triumphant manifestation of the loyal
spirit that characterizes our gallant fellow-sub-
jects of the Sister Island.

PORTSMOUTH AND PETEaSFIELD TURNPIKE
A cT.---,We apprehend that there must be
some inaccuracy in the following paragraph,
which we have extracted from a Country
Pape•, as it is well known that the Corporation
of Petersfield with all its privileges and immuni-
ties has long been swallowed up in the over-
welming influence of a family, who arrogate to
themselves the right of nominating the titular
Mayor of the place, whose office is the only re-
mainir g vestige of the Corporation, which once,
by the valuable rights which it derived from li-
beral patrons, diffused life and vigour to the
town and the surrounding country. Our attention
has frequently been directed, by numerous corres-
pondents, to the management of this trust; we are,
therefore, glad to hear that the number of Com-
missioners has been increased, and we hope that,
under THEIR direction and superintendance, the
communication between the Metropolis and so
important a naval station as Portsmouth, will be
shortened, improved, and properly kept up :

.
" The present Turnpike' Act for the Road from Portsmouth
"- to Sheet llridv;e being nearly expired, a new one has just
" passed &Committee of the House of Commons, with a.few
" alterations : the qualification of Commissioners is raised. to
" £lOO landed property and .C4OOO personals ; the Mayor and
" Aldermen of the Cot:I,ORA TtoNs of Portsmouth and PE-
" RSF 'ELI) aro to be no longer Commissioners in -right of
"their offices. but are all personally re-named in the new 13111,
" together with nearly 000 other Gentlemen."

THE HIGHLAND SOCIETY OF LONDON.—It will
be seen by an advertisement in our first page,
that hiißoyal•Highness the Duke of Youx- and
• ALBANY is to preside at the ensuing Anniversary
Festival of this Corporation, which will be held
on the `?lst instant, at the Freemasons"favern,
to commemorate the Battle of Alexandria, in
which the native regiments of 'Scotland so sig-
nally distinguished themselVes under the au-
spices of the brave and justly lamented Sir
RALPH AnEncnomnrt. The Meetings of this
Society, connected as they are with the preset',
vation and encouragement of Celtic Literature
and the use of the distinguishing dress of Iligh-
linders, are always replete with interest ; but
the-Anniversary Festival possesses-an interest pe-
.culiar.to itself, from its connection with events
which must ever powerfully excite the feelings
of the- Highlander; and it is expected that the
ensuing Meeting will be more numerously at-
tended, and more splendid than any Meeting for
several years, not only from the circumstance of
his Royal Highness the Duke of 'Yonx and
ALBANY presiding on "the occasion, and the pre-
sence of the-Duke of Wimiso-roN, who-has so
frequently vituessed the intrepidity and ardour
of the Highland regiments, but from many
,other
circumstances resulting from the state and regu-1
lationsof the Corporation.

ON THE ROMAN CATHOLIC RELIGION.

The following collections having been made'
at various times, are now put. together without,
regard to. order .
EVELYN,. writing to the brother of a Gentleman who had
embraced the Pons Catholic Religion in 109, has 'the fol-
lowing words :
" We must submit to Providence the 'success of times and
mitigation of proselytical favours, haviug, for my own par-
ticular, a very great charity for all who sincerely adore
the-blessed Jesus, our common and dear Saviour, as being full
of hope that (ion will at last compassionate our infirmities, and
make abatement for our ignorance and errors of corrupt times
I and interests, of which the Roman persuasion can no way ac-
quit herself, whatever the present secular polity may pretend."
On.the danger of a Popish King or of Popish Members_ of
Parliament see "'British critic," February, 1818, and
" CLARKE'S Life of JA.3IES II." . .

In the Preface to LumnEn's " Colloquia Mensalia," which
is dated Anno. 1569, the Editor, having enumerated the evils
of Popery, specifies some of the advantages for which Protes-
tants
are indebted to Luther, and concludes with a prayer,
" That Christian :Kings and Princes may not bereave us of
Gov's word again." &c. &c.—The whole Preface is curious.
In the .MemoirS of RICHARD CUMBERLAND, there is the
following character of Abbe Hussey :—See also M'Crie's
Life of Knox, vol. 1. p. 24, &c. • '
" He did not exactly want to stir up petty Insuriections in
Ireland ; but to head a Revolution', that should overturn the
Church, established, and enthrone himself Primate in the Cathe,
dral of Armagh, would have been his supreme felicity. • He
made profession of a candour, and liberality of sentiment, bor-
dering almost upon downright Protestantism, whilst in heart he
was as high a Priest as Thomas a' Becket, and as still' a Catho.
lie (though he ridiculed their mummeries) as eN e; kissed the
Cross," &c. &c.
Extracts from Bishop AT T T:RBITIVZ-
Sermon. on the sth -of November, 1704.—" To this day's
double deliVerance it is owing, that we are freed from Inc fears
of Ptial. Superstition; that we enjoy all our Religious and Civil
liberties ;. all that is dear and valuable in *respect of this world
or another."

In a Sermon, before the Sons of the Clergy, 1709, he says,
'44 Vou are descendants of those who, as they have shut out Po-
pery in the inest.ttfecival manner, by only paring off thosesor-
ruptions it had grafted‘on pure and genuine Christianity, so did
they stand boldly in the breach, when it meditated a return ; so
that yon, their sons, were, at the Altar itself, initiated by your
fathers into, an hereditary aversion from Rome," &c.
A din 177, before the Lord Mayor,—". The-haughty Mo-
narch, whose heart Gon at last; by our means, hath humbled,
was grasping at universal empire."—" Nor was he satisfied in
siibduing men's bodies, unless he enslaved their souls also, . and
made the pure profession of the Gospel -give way to superstition
and idolatry."
A Writer of 44 Memors of Bishop PonTtus," in the Eccle._-_
siastical and University Annual Register, 1010, says,
• " lle was, a friend to rational • Toleration, but a de-
. -cided enemy to any infringement of the hiws, in the
shape of a general Reform, or, to any relaxation that
could, in the most remote degree, sanction the claims
and pretensions of the professors,. of Catholicism, a reli-
gion, which, for many centuries, spell-bound the whole of
Europe, impeded the march of intellect, fettered with chains of
iron the arms orfreedom, and obscured the fair dawn of Science
and the Arts ; whose anathemas were not more destructive than
its indulgence:, • whose practice polluted the yanks with blood,
and engenderedignorance, intolerance, and fanaticism," &c.
LE ME3IIRIEIt, in his Bamptori Lecture, observes, " Calvin,
complained of th 6 dilatory proceedings of Cranmer, who con-
ducted the work of Reformation in England with such _deliberate
judgment, that, under him and. Archbishop Parker, our-Churn,
purged from the errors of Rome, was brought to a standard of
primitive purity, more nearly, perhaps,. than any- Church now
in the world."

A
ABLT IS
SLetter to Mr. PITT—EMI, as:ll%7s,

".ReligiOus heresies naturally produce political divisions,
and thus counteract that collective and uniform direction of the
public power, which every state desires. The :support of reli-
gion obviously' tends to the amelioration of morals ; some cer-
tain protesSion of it, exclusively favoured, is more at the call of
Government," &c.
In, GlF'r oliD'S Life of Mr. PIT T,-p. 552, Bvo.
The late King is said to have abruptly terminated the con-
ference with Lord Melville on Catholic Emancipation, by an
observation on the inefficacy of &etch metaphysics to destroy
religious obligations.
In the Debate on Catholic Emancipation, 1805; Lord Li ME-
nIcK admonished the House; " in seeking new friencis Sthe Pa-
pists), • whom 'possibly you may fail to conciliate, neglect not
your old ones (the Irish Protestants), but remain firm to those
who have, in the worst of times, remained firm to you."
Dr. EDMUND LAW, Bishop of Carlisle,
In a note to his Considerations on the Theory of Religion—
citeS the following passage from Dr. Worthington on
Redemption :—" Popery begins to be ashamed of some of its
grosser errors."- 44 Moreover, that persecuting spirit, which
was the reproach of Christians, is in a good measure abated_
nor do Papists at present seem to thirst so much after Protestant
blood : though there is reason to suspect that they still retain
too much of the old leaven, durst they suffer it to work out."—
N.B. The Irish Rebellion took place in 1798.
'ln PARR'S. Life of Archbishop USHER, there appears to
have been, in the religious situation of Ireland, 1626, a strong
resemblance to its situation, 1813.
King CHARLES the First • said to Archbishop Unitn, " I
never loved Popery in all my life, but I never detested • it be-
' fore my going into Spain."—(Life of Usher, fol.-1686.)
In the same volume there is a Letter to Archbishop

from
.Sir WrLLIAM BoswELL, in which he say's' 66 The
Roman Clergy- have galled the misled part of our English
Nation, and that, under a puritanical dress,- having been edu-
cated, by indulgence from the See of Rome, add instructed in
all .manner of principles, contrary to the Episcopacy of the
Church of England." And Sir William afterwards gives two
instances, in confirmation of what he had Advanced. -Dated
Hague, June 12, 1040.
bishop BRAMIIAN, in a Letter to USHER, says, " it plainly
appears, that in 1646, by order from Rome, above 100 of the
Roman Clergy were sent into England," &c. &c.
N. B. WARD'S Errata charges the Church Of England with'
something worse than error.
The Quarterly Review, June, 181 P, has these words,--,.
" Happy had it been for this country, if Bishop Warburton's
Work (‘ Alliance between Church and State') could have been
reserved for a moment when, in the demand, not of emancipa-
tion from restraints, but of equal and universal power, all re-
straints of decency are lost on one hand, and all prudential re-
gards to the great securities of the Constitution are in danger of
being swallowed up in timid and helpless acquiescence on the
other." . •