The Sun.
London, England, 1810-05-26 00:00:00

SUITORS IN CHANCERY.

Mr. M. TAYLOR rose in pursuance of his notice
to call the attention of the House to a question of
no less importance than whether or not the subject
should obtain in a Court of Justice' redress for the
wrong he suffered or maintenance in the right which
he possessed. It was for the HoUse to consider if in
the increased state of the commerce of the country
and of its attendant opulence, the assistance which
the subjeEt received in the Court of Chancery 'to
redress that Wrong, or to maintain that right, ought
not to be greater than that which he received 200
years ago. It it should appear that notwithstanding
every exertion made by the Noble and Learned Lord
who presided in that' Court, by the subordinate
Judges, and by the Masters in Chancery, the pres-
sure of business was such that human strength was
inadequate to its discharge, it would become the
House to devise a remedy for the evil. Nothing
could be farther from his view than to state any
thing invidiously with respe& to his Noble and
Learned Friend who held the Great Seal. No man
could be more attentive to the discharge of his du-
ties. He had stamped more bills in the Court of
Chancery and in the House of Lords than any of his
predecessors. To his Noble and Learned Friend,
therefore, it was by no means his intention to im-
pute the slightest blame. Nor did he 'wish for use-
less innovation. The remedy it would be for the
wisdom of the House to determine. All that he had
to state was, that if they looked at the condition of
the numerous suitors who had been many years ne-
cessarily waning for the decision of the Court of
Chancery, little argument v.ould be necessary to
shew that some remedy ought to be applied. It was
impossible, without giving to the advocates of
Parliamentary Reform a more tenable ground than
they had hitherto occupied, to allow that the House
-of Commons, properly constituted, and sitting. for
the benefit of the' People, could permit such an evil
to grow, without some attempt to check it. Magna
Charta declared that justice should be administered
to the peuple " freely; hilly, and speedily." WLat
Was the state of the presi:nt business in the Court of

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There were near .40 orders on the pa- such causes of complaint were preventid, proper I thought ought to be-restored to them.- They'asised-
, iheharrears of many years; • and it was well measures would betaken for proceedingagainstthern. ' but for-what had been taken away from themeeand
',civil Chet at most five or six were heard in each Throughout the buShiess it- was, most satisfactory to which they conceived their loyalty and their genea
teen ! The appeals before the House of Lords were to find the
_Noble Lord had' taken. special care to ral good conduct gave them a claim. It alioul& be
te, so nernerous, that on a fair calculation, it would preserve from injury those individuals whose irate- recollealed,that that of which they complained was
Ii tie Less than eight years to determine them. rests•rnight be endangered by the regulations of the not imposed till long after they had been under a
et the comfit -tic-ern-tit of the present Session, the Court, Protestant • Goverhmenr - It. was impolitic to deny
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o,itub.:r of thdse appeals were 205. In the first 14 Mr: M.A:Tasreoe appealed to the CandOpratid goOd those rights (they claimed), as we • could have no
`Session-, forty-four new appeals had hwen sense of the Reuse, if it was likely he sh'oulehhese 1 safety but- in embodying the whole na ion as one
eresesitesf to the House of taxis 5 since that-Period; made his motion had the statement of his Honour- man ;n the mighty cause in which we were .engago
eenty tied been presented; so that there weie 269 able Friend been made before. All he had asked. l ed. Without those rights they could not embark.
altpe.tiding- before the House of Lords, without and subjectheewinted, was that the subject should be. as )leartily in the cause as they otherwise would
inch! the Writs pf Erna ! Was this a tit situa- fairly taken into consideration, and ptoper measures if the road to preferment and to glory were thrown'
the; t„.ir a suitor to be placed in ? In a Criminal Court taken to-remedy the evils of which he complained. 1, open to them. The soldier could not be so animat-
e...in :.Court of Cdmmon Law, justice was imme- He had no objection under such circumstances to I ed when precluded from rising above a certain rank
de:te,bUt in the Court of Chancery, delay had be- Wiihdraw his motion, but he. wished it to be under- in the army, as when it was possible for his prowess
- come so ,that no man . beean a suit in it stood, chat he did not withdraw it, from an impres• to raise him to the rank of a General, and enable
mitt) the expectation of concluding it in less than ten Mon that that which lie had urged was • itnproper. t him to emulate a Mtn-lborongh's fame,. • Blake and
veers.: The Lord Chancellor bad 'other and impor- On the contrary, feeling as he did,. that his argu- -O'Donnell, who had _fought so gloriously, in tlie
tent bushoiss to attend to. The Master of the Rolls ments stood on .firm grounds; that they were found- cause of Spain, were Catholics, We were ready to
, (to e hom the utmost-credit was dje, for his labori- ed in justice and in 'reason, unless an efficient re- admire their talents and do- justiceto hheir valour.
ous- attention to the, duties of Isis high office) had ~ Medy were shortly applied, he would certainly again, -Why then did we shut those out from glory in our
quite-enough to do. Constituted as the Court now bring the subjea before the House early in the en- own country of whom we could-not
W ttiereforeeit was impos4ible that relief could be e suing Session. . press our admiration while they were fighting in
granted to the suitors. Superadtled to the common I CATHOLIC CLAIMS. . another ? Why too were Catholics to •be so much
businesi of. the Court—to the superintendence or Mr. PARNELL moved that the Order of • the Day sustnieled of being' -attached to . the interests of
the affors of
_infants, Itinaties; &c. the Lord Chan-. for resuming the .debate on the Catholid" Claims France ? In varions,parta of Europe, Catholics lead,
cellor had. tO hear appeals from_ the Commissioners should be read.- . been foUnd -in arms against Franceeand
re- 0
of Bankrupts, a source of business-which had unfor- i Sir Ws SCOTT, Complying with the wishes of .his , with as much ardour as could possibly-animate Pro-
tonately becOme a fertiie'one. Where one day had i constituents, opp.,sed the petitions. The principle testants in the cause. Why then was Catholic va-
formerly been occupied in • this manners five days of which they complained had been acted upon in j lour downed to pine unnoticed, unrewarded in our
were now set apart for that purpose. After stating the most enlightened times, and had at the most araty, when-no Just grounds existed for beliesing
several strong cases, in which to his personal know- prosperous periods been recognised by our Constitu-Sr Catholics well affected towards Franee ? He
ledge the most injurious delay had been sustained tion. The Right Hon. Gentleman had adMitted would now prOceed to another e,rievance. When
by suitors in the Court of Chancery,-and appellants his speech that if a French army, should approach aeCatholic qualified himself fur the Bar, why was he
to the House•of Lords, the Hun, Gentlem'an pro- Ireland the danger, in consequence of the Catholics ; there too denied proMotiOn Could a Catholic
ceecied to observe; that, in his, opinion, a division of not having conceded die veto, might be tremendously be dangerous as King's- Coutisel ? cotVd lie be dan-
the offices, which the Listd Chancellor held might great. The system on which weaated was there- E ger-ous as King's Serteant ? Shrely not. -The Hon.
probably afford, some alleviation of the evil.• The fore justified by prudence. :In another part of his * Bart, then proceeded to inquire why cause had
office of a• Judge in Bankrupt" cases might possibly speech thellight Hon. Gtrat. had spoken loosely of given for those complaints which -hal come over
be separated with advantage from that of the Lord the religious contests which distinguished the -His- from the army
„in Sicily ? Why were the Catholic
Chancellor. If the emoluments of Lord Chancel- tort' of Ireland. On this ground he. elt a Setuctaece clergymen refused access to , the Catholic soldiers
for and S eaker of the House of Lords conjoined t to tread, lest it should leadoo an unpleasant discus- there ? If they were treated thus, What could be
, have not :been thought sufficient without the addi- t sion, but he wished to ask if the Right Hon.Geetle- eXpeeled from them but languid compliance and
ti,m of those resulting from the situation of Judge_ i man was -prepared to say, that all the calamities obedience?pisive -Give the Catholic the same en-
on Bankrupt cases, *4 or 50001.-a year might be whiCh had fallen on that ill-fated country were the • couragement, and he will embark in the cause with
granted to .supply the deficiency. Some might think results of Protestant:aggression ? Both sides of the the-same ardour as the Protestant. -.But under all
that the officee of Speaker of the House of Lords question ought to be well considetec.!; for it was not these discouraging circumstances, they had embark-
ought to be separated from the rest. He did not fair that all should be forgotten on the one side, and yed heartily in the cause. We had
-been obliged to
affeet to propose any specific-remedy ; -he had mere- all on. the other be recorded in marble and in brass. e ecknowledee it repeatedly over and over again.--we
Iy-thrown out these. epggestions for the consideration The Petitions presented were couched in the same r had -to say, that they deserved well. The system
of Parliament, but he deciared.his determination ne. unqualified terms as formerly. There were -no con- !, pursued, seemed to be such as would emanate from
ver to abandon the, subject while he had &seat in ditions proposed, no reserves,, no qualifications ex- a desire to prevent, their deserving bettet. This. was
that House. He regretted that the business had not pressed. He thought the Right Hon. Gentleman not alls we had gene to such a pitiful length as even
fallen into the hands ()bone mote competent to treat ought to have stated to the House what, had so much •to preclude.their becoming Sheriffs or Sub-Sheriffs.
it with ability, and concluded by meeing, " That a illumined him on the subje&, as he made qualifies- The Penal Law bore severely, on the Catholics. It
Crlmmittee be appointed to inquire into, the arrears tiOUS to which he would not agree before. The 'ar- I was true they lead been in some measure tempered,
of causes now remaining for [leering-in the Court of gurnents made use of were nearly the same as those !* by the growing liberality of the Protestants, in Ike-
Chancery, and to report the same to the House, advanced when the subjea was brought forward for- land e but he contended, that the Legislature ought
with their opinion as, to the best mode of- relieving merly, The-difference between the peesent siltation not to suffer so large a portion of the people to' he
the suitors, and that the said- Committee do inspect -of the Pope, and that in w,lech he stood at that time, objeas of toleration, to be so far dependent..on
' the Journals of the House of Lords io.ascertain the 1 was this : he was then the willing slave of France others. They had- the stronger reasons for corn-
nurilbet of. appeals and writs of error.'" / now he is in the tyrant's grasp.... Under such cir- plaining when it was: remembered what prospeats
Sir A., PICOT, though he was fully persuaded that cumstances were they to go into a Committeeon the were held out to them at the 'Wools; The prospeels
' his Honeurahle and Learned-Friend was influenced subjeEt,• first assuming that their prayer was to bp then held out to the Catholics-were-auch as ought
only by-motives- of public duty, yet recomireuded granted; and then to consider what securities'should Ito have bound .Government to redress their griev-•
him to withdraw his motion--a step which would ..be given ? The Right Hon. Gentleman had-pointed ances before this time, almost as mite's as if they
not prevent -him from renewing it at arty future pc- to the establiShment of a clOrnestic nomination. He had been compelled
,to do so by a written bond.
ritel should,- he find that the evils of which he eons- would have been glad, had he honoured the House Mr. Pdt said at that _time, "We are a divided and
• plained -continue to exist, and that no-measures had so far as to state where it could be found, and-what I distracted people, weakened and torn -by- religious
• been adopted to obviate them. Situated as he bad security he had, that the adoption of such a plan (if-t dissensions, which under existing circumstances,
191.1 g been in the Court of Chancery it wets impossible lit could be adopted)' Would give universal content.— must be interminable; so long as- our. councils ate.
for him not to do to the Neble and Lord who at , He had favoured them with nothing of that kind, separate, prudence cannot admit that which,-united,
present held the Great Seal the justice to which he nor was any thing of that nature to be found but in generosity might concede.", Two years.after that
was fully el-aid-A. Ir did not appear to him to be the ideas of the Right, •Hon. Gentleman. He had period, Mr. Pitt,. when le.avinsg-office, hid -stated it
possible that any man coulu ever have devoted,him- ; argued in faiour of the veto being conceded. by the to be his opinion, that an extension of the lights of
self more completely to the public service than the Catholics, but from this they were expeded to: ; Protestants to Catholics was as innocect andasates
Noble Lord had done during the difficult, arduous, shrink with disgust and horror. 'Domestic nOrniria- .i after the Union, as it would have been dangerous be.:
important, and laeorious, duties which he had been tion had been protested againt. He wished to know fore. It had-been said, why did not the. Catholics
- Called upon to discharge. He telt himself the more if there were:any reasons to believe that it iwould now - come forward to make sac:hand such concessions? It
at libel ty to offer this ,impartial testimony to the be agreed to, If they refused to -give the Veto, hew was not for them is* do so—•-biat it was_tor us to state
merits of this Noble and Learned Lord, as he bed. • Could it be expected they would submit to a'domestic i to them under, What, reettiatons we were willing to.
not the honour of eany closer• conneetion with nomination ? There might 'be persons of that com- - afford the privileges they desired, It wets itnpossi-
him, than that which_ the .business of the -Court. munity willing to aelinit this or that expedient to blot to-think the saute zeal could
:be felt in the collie'
necessarily induced. Adverting to the question ; conciliate matters ; buts those -Gentlemen, though mon cause among men between whom such a chs-
before the Hoose, he Observed that one very mate- they might be -Gentlenien of great respectability parity of interest existed. That enthusiasm in the
rial reason which might have produced an increased ; were. not the guides, the pastors, the lights 'of the cause of his country which is felt by him who shares
• delay in the proceeding of the Court of Chancery., church. They were not the organs of the Catholic its privileges, could not be expeCted ftein.men who
was a -material alteration that had gradually taken community, and he- was satisiled, that whatever felt.they were not complete sharers in them. It was
place the form of those prooeediegs. Perhapano ; concessions of• that kind those -individuals 'might ; not in Inman nature. To give all an equal interest
time had occurred in which such delays as those make, they would not he implicitly followed by, the in the preservation of the country, its privileges
mentioned by his Hon. and Learned Friend did not I !great body of the Catholics. The Hon. MernbErr should be alike open to all, .It had been said cathoa
exist. They were frequently attributable to the ; here read sonic extracts from Dr. Milner, from ; lic-Emancipation was not desired by the great body
agent of the suitors tither than to the Courts-which I which he inferred, that to ask the Catholics to sub'- •of the Irish people, as the beneficial effeets of it
thus unjustly incurred the popular-censure. But • mit to domestic nomination, was in other words to ; could not extend to the lower ceders. He could not
however great might be the evil, the mode proposed ask them to cease to be Catholics, and when they better express the sense of the people of Ireland than
by his Hons and Learned. Friend oil -not appear to • called upon them to cease to be Catholics without in the words of their hr titionesin which they stated
him to be the best calculated to remove it.. These- conversion, what must they think of the individual that of which they complained to be the cause of
nerable antiquity of the situation of ,Lord Chan- who complied, either as a member of the Boman . daily humiliation. Drawing an impassable line of
cellot—the, high importance in the •tate-:—.its close Catholic Church, or as -a man ?If they would sub- , separation, it divided the nation and kept animosity
coeneir:tion with the Crown, made it a subjea which , mit to no nomination but that of the• Pope, he alive, while emancipation they regarded as that for
those who without meaqing any imputation on his " wished to know how the intercourse could becarried _the absence of which there existed no compepsa-
Honeand Learned Friend, were, perhaps, more exe ; on. While *the Pope remained in captik ity he could tion. • -
perienced than he could possibly be, trembled to only correse6tol with them by perthission of Boone- Lord CASTLEREAGH did not conceive it to be neia
touch. He allowed, however, that some remedy ; parte, and could any one think that -BuOnaparte cessary for him to state his sentiments on the gene-
• might, be necessary. He bad no doubt after the no , would sutler such 'an intercourse to exist under any . ral question.. Could the privileges of Protestants be
lice )..yhich the motion of his Hon.- and Learned• ciacums•ances unfavourable to the influence of given to the Catholics with security, it .would greatly
Friend occasioped, that the Noble and Learned i France ?- In short, it could noe'be expected, that he '• increase the strength of the Eoipire, but so Cone
Lord would himself give to the subject all the at- 'would permit it without that veto -being transferred vinced was he of the. impossibility of so eking,
tension which it demanded. He had no doubt, also, I to him which they refused to the King. It every that in the Irish Parliament, anxious as he was to
that it woad excite the attention of the other Mem.- l difficulty, arising from law or religion, could be got : benefit the population of Ireland,- he did not think
leers of his Majesty's Government.- If a Legislative over, still would there be reasons for a Protestant, or ` they could with safety be conmattneated to thc,fir,
.Foct,ediog consequence be judged nieces- , (as they called- it) -a Non-Catholic Government, to The question was, loOking at the. power of the Ca-
ri:hy, , sere that no consideration of emolu- refuse t 6 accede to the • Petition. The influence of tholic and-Protestant parties, whether their claims
merit would be allowed to stand ini the way of iiny persons in their church was ureater"-than that: of being allowed, the presumable Catholic power which
kernedial tne-.!isure. At the present period of the common pastors, in' d Spiritual power, converted into might get into the'system would be sufficient to
session, when every
.thing indicated its- approaching a temporal engine, was of sufficient iropprtance to endanger the Protestant Government and establish-
close, ii would be irne3'raeticable, even Were a Corn- create alarm. He thought their prayer could not : inents ? He could not separate. the Catholics from
ntittee appointed) that. it could make any progress he granted on the security proposed by the Right -other dissenters. He did not reflect on their loyalty,
tete di to the public. 'But, he conceived, that the Hon. Gentleman, as•on such security no Non-•Ca- but it was impossible to suppose that a dissenter,
snteeet ought in any case to be left to the delibera= tholic Government cotild rely for the safety of its' -could be as 'much attached to the Protestant Church
(ion of du .'e persons whoseauthoeityand experience civil and religious establishments. ' as one of the same litany. It was, therefore, to be'
cpiailfied Lein most eminently to invessleate it as . Sir J. NEWPORT said, the claim of the Catholics considered whether or not the Church was suffici-,
deserved. repeated his recroinnend7ation to -had been for e considerable time evaded, through ' -ently strong to contend , not only with the Catholic,
- ' his Honourable and. Learned Friend to withdraw scruples arising IroM the Coronation Oath, 'which but also with the Protestant Dissenters,
,His feeling,
his: motion. - . had at length been abandoned, or at least suffered was, if ever. the Catholics could -.reconcile
_them
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER thought ,to sink for st time into oblivion. The ground on selves to give the pledge required of them a great
ithutit going into any great detail on the subject; which they had opposed the wishes of the Catholics advantage would thence be to the. State. 'lt
it lutist be obvious to every one t ha: therewere great was:from the construalion of the Coronation Oath, was his opinion at the Uoion, that those. privileges
a; reers in the Court' of Charicery.. This cirourn- f being _found perfOtly untenable they had chosen ' shbuld be given to the Catholics if they could with
stailtte wits felt by no one more than by the Noble • another, and nOW objeeled to going into a Corn- security/ but, never as a simple concession. The
Lord who had.been mentioned, If would tie any • mince on the subject. And, why ?—because it 'was Right Hon. Baronet in quoting Air.Plit's peecti-on
satisfactiOn to the Hon. Genfleman;he could inform said, that that suggested by his Right Hon. Friend that Occasion,. had passed over thestnest remarkable
hell that time sobjed had been taken into serious eon- I was unattainablebecause what he , wished for expression. He never-pledged Government- to fol-
seise athin. There appealed to be no way of remeilyi»g could not be attained they refused to go -este a. low any particular lioe of conduct. Kis words
the evil complained ore but by bringing the subject Committee ts) considered they c rollafford the. suf.- were, ",Whatever coursorney beetufsued, the 'Mien
-befere the lecase, and !ctn.) those with weom the fering Catholics redress by any other means. They : will proVe a blessing to sll parties, and the _lmperial
evil originated, know that unless the recurrence of had stated, their, claims to those rights which they Legislature will be, in a condition 'hi which they may

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grant otrecuse with great safety." Speaking thl-l!,
he pledgqd Government to ad6pt no spec'll'
measure, the course to be pursues! vas art ,after

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consideration. The Catholic'hierare,vy had- mote 11)
fluence than any other di,setiling hierarchy. It
onght to he separated fr,orn =f-prei2n ifillgence; and
never. conpected:_wish..Government at. home.--As
long as Ireland was a Catholic conntiyi.. iz would,
vindicate the'rights.of its clergy a aiiist the -See c"
Rove. The countries which-werq trw bigotted 143,
the Catholic faith' were always alarmed at thej-ornitr--1•
ofiantpor.ity in ,Spain they went so 'far in precaution
as to allow no intercourse' with the See of -Route,.

nor were they subject even Ile its controul en. inspect
Lion. It, Austria every thing was tinder the; ten':
poral authority. In France, the Papal -power ha°
no mare to do with the appointment of its Bisbee*.
than it has to do with the'Protestant clergy here.
This latter principle was not limited to Catholic
countries; in Prussia and Russia the Bishops Were
always apppinted by the Monarchs.- It cannot be
stated, from the constant practice of the Catholic
Church, thareuch controul can be negatived. . He
apprehended that- the ,Catholics, le the present case,
pressed their claims on the Legislature 'in their
proper situations. The Catholic Church hadehithert°
gone on withont any sacrifice of its doctrine. In
1799, Lord Cornwallis commeniceted the plan G-0"
vernmcnt had formed with respect to the Carbolic
Bishops; the arrangement stood on the differeot
grounds of the political part of the question. T 46,,
Hoese -was aware, that ..all. those- Who disappre,e'
'this plan, looked to that only which .would pLic'
the Clergy,in a situation beyond- all competition;
they. were certainly in a ',state of abject, poverfle.
yet . they would not give way to the feelings 01
the people.. He. was convinced they were ca-
pable of diScharging the highest services, and 1147
thought their arrangement veoeld be a measure cal- • ,
culated to end the differenees of thee 'country. 14e
thought it would be injurious to the Crown to Ratite
a direei influence over their clergy; if'it even had, 4_
was impossible to doubt, but from the appearance '
of circumstances alone,. it would be constantly laid' I
open to unjust insinuations. 'One
_part of the at;
erangement suggested by Government was confine LL
simply to the ueceseity of being informed who Clc
titular Bishop was to be, -that it might, have it in its'
power to make any, reasonable objeaion. .He coo'
ceived it would powerfully' satisfy the feelings boll'
of the 'State ind 'of the Country, .if Ireland knee
that its Bishops received 'the sanction of. the Prote'"
taut Government.. On that t;rinciple there coeld ue •
no-objection to its claims. He assured the Hotls°
that it was-not the intentioa-of the Clergy to 11
before the Government:" sin this measure; they
not appear at all jealous of the power of the Statei
nor considerit to be inconsistent' with the tenets of
their Church.- . This circumstance ..,was but a 51113 a
branch of the intended system ; the detail would nee
be entered into until it had been wholly approved h 4
beethe Government, and by his Majesty, and broog" •
forward in its proper shape. Whatever
.cernnilieuni; -
cation there might be with the See of Rol,
should be made with the kem.vledee'of doveitirneoli
and-passed under its eye, in 'cadet that evtrY
per attempt might he prevented., The proyisioe-
the arrangement- -were not Dew, or foreign, --or :in':
- •
consistent; Other set-Is-had beeil,.6milarly endow°
in Ireland the dissenters: had received endot.terent!
which tended to the increase of thet.bodye
ever, he del. not quite approve. of -the rneasor';
-=-The
,tirrangement intended'. was a siwila,
nature to that mecle:With: • respeeA to the d
.I' •
nrane-CeeholiceOlergyeof Scotland,- which- exter..
ed to 'the endowment of sChOols, and for evi''';`l
the
_See of Itonie 'expressed
.g-teat gratitude alit
apprqbation. The Pope of that?. day. was et
jealous knew that -a -great part of the
ritual was neeessetily interwoven with the T"tlia;
poral Government.: TheCeitholice'of Irelandeire
present in 6 greater dependence on the. See of
than any other Catholic conrstry: . The Honour'w,ee
Baronet (Sir Hipneslq) stated that all ilac
land, except six diOceses; received the-CuotwiLe.
Trent...- He understood there were.only two ,ev0.L'"0...,
did not; in Mei, the whole country considero
-Church zeverered.by the,Coencil of Trentea COce-
cil, driven thither by the Temporal poeer,.in eon,' j
quence .encrOachmentse and reludently aoceueee
to by the .Pope. All its ortangernenis aegeoel)t.ee
the authority of the See of Borne; 'it was conteo'.-‘,.
of Iteliah Bishops, and ended without ac.complishinovc
its purpOses, with a. dire d reservation, howeYere et,
all the tights of the See'of Rome.. This Colu'it
was never recognised by the Gellican -Chureb.;
never received itetenets, as they tended to loPer,.
its liberties.--The Catholics of Ireland, • hoe e' re•
consider its regulations as a code. He was avi'.(l-_,
of the notion; that great mischiefs- would arise fr
episcopacy existing-among the Catholics of Ireloo,,
He thought it would Make tie people more iol'll.,
cent, and less de:rime-teal
,io the Protestant Churcej
If there is a great body of Catholic interestet gr4e:
question is how it can be governed lei:lt serety,
did not wish that it should exist at 'all; a, ev;
danger arises from dissenting interests; if
great object. i 3 to separate it from fie eign ate
.-He did not wish that the na me of t he Cathdlit',
should class•witle the E,tatilished -Church.
pacy, he thought; might as well exist tee
lie Churchot Ireland as in the Presbyter .
land. Having thus far entered iree
wished n:ev to make. a few obeeree;.eee;
thl i
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degree of undees•eneling there wes respeiling.
Union, and What degtetie of 'eipkaation
out. H- did
.not wish that Ireland should have '‘
impreSeioeOf being: ueleitly
disappointment; he
with. -If vicre.
had been. a real disappOinent; he did nor, deer
serVethen'acneerf Statesman 61- an:he:nest k)-
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