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London, England, 1810-01-27 00:00:00

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the-abolition of all sinecure places, and the general
correction of real abuses.
The CIIANCELLOR. of the EICHEQ,UER said, that
he • was ready to admit that the conduel of the Right
Hots. Gentleman on the opposite side of the House
(Mr. Bathurst) was fair and consistent, though he
by no means-agreed with him in the view which he
took on the question then before the House. He
was extremely anxious that before Gentlemen came
to a decision upon the subject, they would fully Un-
derstand the nature of the queition before fhe
House,. and the motives which had induced his
Hon. Friend to move the previous question. If it
were supposed that by proposing the previous ques-
tion, Ministers were desirous either to evade or to
prevent all inquiry, he. was desirous as early as pos-
sible to Correct that error. He could assure the
House, that his Majesty's Ministers had no such in-
tention. The point upon which the House was now
called upon to determine was not whether there
should be an inquiry relative to the Expedition to
Welchem, but whether it was most proper to come
to a decision upon the question then, or when the
documents, which had been promised in "his Ma-
jesty's Speech, were laid: upon the table. The
House, therefore, would be completely misled if it
supposed:that it was now, celled upon to vote'whe-
ther or not there should be any .inquiry. The
Noble-Lord had moved for a,Committee of the whole
House to, inquire' respeeting this Expedition, and
all that his Hon. Friend (Mr. CrOker). had con-
tended for was, that the House should wait until
they had the necessary information- before them,
when they certainly would be much better able to
decide whether the inquiry should be in a Commit-
tee of the whole House, in a Selett Committee, or
at the Bar of :the House ; or whether any -further
inquiry was necessary. If the Noble Lord had done
him the honotir , to have proposed one, or two
questions 'to him, • before he brought forward
this motion, he was strongly inclined to think that
his 'answer would have induced the Noble Lord at
least to have postponed •his motion. The question
to which he alluded was relative. to the time when
the promised documents Would be laid before the
_House.: To that quegtion he'should have answer-
ed, that he should be extremely sorry, as well as
disappointed, if he were not able to lay them upon
Ithe table of the House by. Monday next. He was
also deSirons to add, that i order as much' as possi-
ble to accelerate the information, while the Clerks
were employed in copying some of the dacuments,
others- had agnally been sent to the Printers, and
he had every reason to 'hope that'by Tuesday,every
Member would be in possession of a printed copy of
them. Having stated this, he would now leave it
to the House to determine whether they would de-
cide now, without any information at all, or wait
till Monday or Tuesday, when they would be in full
possession of all the' documents promised in his Ma-
jesty's Speech, and which he trusted would prove sa-
tisfaaory. Ithadbeen said that the Country called
for information upon this suhje&, and that it was
necessary that the House should pledgeitself to an
inquiry, by adopting this motion. 'He had always
supposed that; inquiries were instituted for the pur-
pose • of obtaining informatiOn, but 'in this instance
it- was obvious that, if after What he had statedeGen-
tlemen persisted in this motion, their object
,was
merely-to obtain a vote, and not to procure infor-
mation. Legged leave to ask, what possible ad-
vantage, aS. far as related' to the real object of in-
quiry, could be gained by pressing 'the' House
to come -to a 'decision upon the Noble I.or.l's
mot;on. Did Gentlemen really mean to contend
that the country would suffer any injury by a delay
of 24 hours, and that the case was so .urgent that
it was-better now to decide without inforthation,
than to wait till Monday for.it ? This proposition
was really too absurd to.be seriously contended for";
but he would State' the true object of . this Motion :
Gentlemen had talked Of tactics, but they had prov-
ed themselves very bad tacticians on the first night
of the debate. They found that they bile' worded
their amendment with' very little skill, and this mo-
tion was brought forward to repair the blunder which
was then committed. In the confidence of succeas,
and in the full pride of their strength, they came
down on the first day of the Session, and proposed
an amendment, such as, we would undertake to
prove, had never been proposed before ineltat House.
The result of that night's debate, however,: shewed
bow itl-grounded their confidence was. The House
did not, becauge it could not, with any regard to
justice or its own dignity, have adopted such an
an amendment. It was an amendment not only in
direct opposition to justice, but common sense. It
proposed to decide first, and try.afterwards. ' It told
the House that Inquiry was necessary, and then
called upon' in to decide bef ire that inquiry took
place., It was indeed Castigaque auditque,. It
was' to b gin with punishment, and end with trial.
Some, indeed,-of the Gentlemen aeied more can-
didly ; they said they wanted no information at all ;
they were ready to condemn without any inquiry
whatever. In f ;et, every part of their conduct de-
monstrated what were their rtal intentions. They
did hot want an inquiry into the meriis'of the Ex=
; they wanted a vote against Ministers_They did not want' investigation, they wanted re-
moval. This was the real motive which influenced
their conduct, and it wa, their eagerness to attain
that object thatiedthem into. the blunder to which
he had already alluded. They were so cetifident in
their, own strength, that they thought they 'nigh(
despise all. forms, and overl-ok all decency. l'he
decision of the House, however, convinced them
how grossly they had te:ecalculated. Never was
dieippeit}tment greater or more complete than theirs.,
Hf badnow pulled off the mask from the Gentle-
men
.on the other side, and stated their real motives
in bringing" fon4 ar,d this motion. He begged to im-
press- upon the minds of Gentlemen, that there was
no intention to prevent inquiry; but he could not
pi.esibly conceive any possible advantage that
could result from voting fur a Committee of In-
quiry, now, when in the course of 24 hours they
would be in possession .of all the docterieets, and
consequently better able to decide upon v.ihat course
they ought .to pursue. There might be some
points contained in the 'documents that they
might wish communicated to the, whole 'House,
or 'there might be some which they would wish
confined Select Committee. Would it" be
SA ell to dedd"Which mode of inquiry they' should

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