The Sun.
London, England, 1817-02-08 00:00:00

SAT UFEB RUA RY 8, 1817.

PF, AL PAit L 11; Nr.

tIOUSE OF Lottps, v3II)AY, FEB. 7.

Coons," Wrre bei:!rd at considerable length, thia
day, vit. Samuel on%the part of the
Appeli,otts, ih reply, in the Appeal of, the Trpl,
tees,44 the lute, linite of Queensberry, v. the Earl
of 7k,Velityss and :Nl:treli.-3--judgm,ent. postponed.
i'vir.'Craostoutt wus heartl in part for the AR-
pellants, ii the
_Second:, or Whiteside. branch of
the above cause.-77-Further hearing on Monday.
• Some Appeal. Petition's were, read, and private
business ival tratiatt.ed ; after which their Lord-
ships adjourned till Monday,.

HOVSE'OF CONIMOi4S.
Lord BmttNo •Observed, that last Session be
had given notice of 'intention to move for leave
to bring in a Bill 'for the protection of Lunatics
in Scotland, and which was intended to operate
it) the same manner as
,the ineaure of a night
Hon: nentleman (\lr. Rose), called the Maithituse
818. With this view, he should now move an
Address to the Plincv Itegent, praying, that he
will be plea'serl to.give directions for Returns from
the Parochial Clergy in Scotland, of the number of
I,ll,mies ni that country : d stingnishing those
maintained by the Parochial Funds, froth'ibose.at
large.----Agr'e'ed to. • .
CQNIMINTEF, OF WAYS AND MEANS.
The CnaNcat.Lott of the ExcnztoEft snored
that the 1-louse resolve. itself into a' Committee of
Ways and :MeanS, which being agreed to, time
Right Hon. Oentleman said, he deemed it only
necessary to state, that the propositions he was
aunt 'to make related merely to the voting, Of
the usual annual dutiesi and a resoltitinn for a
new issue of Exchequer Bills to, redeem those

now
The several' reirdntions for the service of the
year, to the amount of '2-1 millions, were then
read and agreed to, and the Report ,%vas ordered
to be receive! to-morrow.

I.QI',DS Or Tlif. 'ADMIRALTY.

Sir M. W. Rint.k.v gave outite, that on Tries-
ay the ISth inst. he slio;adbring forward a too-
ion for reducing the number'ot the Lords of the
Admir..:!y
• PETITION PROM 'FILE LIVERY Or•LONDON.,
Cm.v'KaT moped .tor le:.ive to present the
RefOrm Petition from the Lord Stit'yor aud Livery
of London. 116.. v it fell into his hancli he could
not tell ; hut having neeved it, h,. deemed it his
ditty to offer it to tire .110o,;e.
•
Alderman Atitrg he COHItI relieve. the
Hon, Alember !runt doubt rfs to bow the peti-
tion came into his posses:ion, „by stating that. it
was beCanse hiwelf and b131?-other Rept esenta:
ive",3 were hOt tOOllght worthy ofpresenting
yfic'common Hall, where petition was re-
solved on, Certainly cont 41110 many most respect-
able persons at the time ; but it %VAS iibStird 10
suppose they agreed on. the question of refnkii, 114
two out of five were for annual, antl the other •
three-fitths for triennial Parliaments. He had
stated tiros much to shoe Why„the petition came
into the bands of tie Honourable Member for
Southwark.
• Sir W. CURTIS said, be•wonld have nothing to
do wish the Petition ; and so far from supporting
its prayer, he would give his .decided opinion that
the Constitution is as it Ought tis he, and that those
Who meddled with it would not be able to mend
it. He would therefor.e.inake use of an old but
good adage—" Let well. alone.,'
Sir JAM ES SHAW said a few words in explana-
tint' of his detdining to present the petition.
Mr. CALV Epr,. tbough he, would ever, oppose
.and destructive sehent,es of Raoul), would
state one reason fur his intending to $111)11011, sonic
rational plan. Ue had been one of six persons
who bad t.ent t 450 Members to Parliament, each
of %drier, two Mynibers paid 0001.—(Lood cries
of I lea'r, heir !--=This statement,' as will appear
from the .ftilloWing remarks, was not Correctly
comprehended either in the t;allery or the House.)
Mr. LAMpTtIN said, it was incumbent on the
'I-Luise to investigate. the question of. Reform, di
vested of all the ah4urd and detestable theories
with which it was enveloped by. furious dentic-

gognes,
Mr. WYNNE did
,not wish to enter at present at
all into aroutents On the question of Reform, but
as 111;11 importittlt question tV115.30 speedily to etirne
011, he tlid not feel how it conkd be possible to
enter into the ytiscuSsion without some previous
plan bring brought forward. lie mentioned this,
because the speculations at present entertained
seemed to include all manner of theotres, from
ttunual Parliaments down to the disfranehisen,cnt
of a single borough. Could any Gentleman have
heard the declaration that was unblushingly made
the other night of a Member having obtained, tt
seat in that House by open and public corrup-
tion, employing the bellrnan to go about and of-,
ter tea guineas te, every voter—could any man,
4anl, hear such an assertion without disgust ?
(lJear,.hear., hear !),—Was it a proper subject for
glorying in, that any titan who had thus corruptly
g,lined,a seat; bad noopportimityot mining round
upon Iris CciliStlttiellt.ii, wltr,m heltad sed:ueed by a
criminal, act ?7--(fifar, hear, hear !)—An
Gentleman had boasted that. 41,500 gnineas had
been paid to hint and others. for returning tWo
Nlembers. 'l his was by, the law of.the land, a
great ,plbstantial offence; and while .he joined
in regretting the difficulty of proving facts ot this
kind, still he could not allow, that that which was
ail offence against the stattite.amn common law,
ought to be boasted ot by many persons- in that
finest —(heal., hear, hear !) •
114 r. Csortmr desired tti-explain. -The lion.
Gentleman .had totally ntiOriderbtood him : hi
had spOkta libe (Mr. -C,) lad been one Of the

[Pfaci, SEVrNI'ENI:E.

. .
persons who hod eligii,gl:ll, in the !idle of
Borough,. and had participated in the profits. 'Fhu
tact was trite
,the reverse. C•;)
himself, who hail . been ,sold, before he ga‘e his
voteomil lie did not know it. Nvas the moSt
griev.ous circumstance that. tic had to complain of.
Nr.‘Vys,Ny. admitted that he was entirely tinder
a misunderstanding; although he did not coliceiso.
that the Hon. Gentleman had participated iii the
motley. , Bitt the fact ought to be known, and lie
would. have served his country most effectually by
assisting in bringing the criminal t'f) justice. 'fife
Petition .Was ordered to lie on the. table.
lieforrn Petitiotts.from a tciwii in 'Nottingham-
,
shire, from Manchester and Salford, and LeFdi,
wrre recyived, and laid on the table.--One frola

Bradford was rejected,,
commrrrEE ON THE PUBLIC EXPENDITURE,- ,
turd CATLIMISAGI3 desired the Clerk to 'earl
, ~. in
tliat pasiagc the Royal Speech which rclatci to
the ordering of, the tstitnates to be laid before the
liOnse, with ii vietr to the consideration. of retitle..

Lions. The pussk,,,e busing been read, the Noble
Lord begun by saying, that on calling the niten-

,on of the Ilduse to that pa: t of the Speech which

hail just been reset, he was sure .that Gentlemen
►could feet, that their attention never was Called to

an object in which the vital interest of the \dude
country was inore deely involved. It bad been
the fortune of verpniany of the 'Members of that
House now present, to be culled at different pe-
riodS to the administration of puhlie affairs ; but
during which the times of peace bud been unfortil-
nately so contracted, that their efforts were con-
nected with scarcely any thing but a Will
Yet they certainly had the gratification of reflect-
ing, that the war-but thens which, they had found it
their ditty to impose, while they We're eeeessat r and
anavoidahte, had bad the effect of inftlaing such It
noble and generous spirit amongst the people as
hod carried the country proudly throngh% a con-
test unexampled in vieitoitudes and dangers.
this respect they had the consolation of thinking.
that they Intl performed,' ,of all the ditties thee
owed to their cote try, the. one which was Most
gratifying and sacred. We might now, for tits
first time, °east:lets as having leroken
through the pet iod of war ((or the last year in a
wear degree partook of the war eXpenditere), and
the House was now colled on. to "look at the state
in which the tare had left the /76611.11:y. . Ile did
tint think thaethe present difficeli y Was islt,ogettivr
greater thatt might have been expected after such
a tremendous struggle ; though the people might
naturally look forward to enjoy all the advaut;tges
which peace could tafit.A. lle wai Sure the Ilo4Se
would agree that in) great contitry cotild look
to success, unless its expenditure was so fat
reduced es• to meet its actual revenue. Nu
country could be considered as founding its
System on a wise (outing, unless its -expenditure •
'woe even reduced withiu its. income. That flits
country might not be enabled to netke every pos-
sible reduction in the first yeas of a peace system,.
,was a circumstance that ought not to discourage
the House, as we did not arrive at this state
of
things immediately after the Peace• which termi7
nate7l the contest in the year 1783; mid if; from
unavoidable eircemstences, this year might nog
he marked ivith so gratifying 4 character as conlif
be wished, yet the House ought to see the pee-
bability in a reasonable course.of time, ..olthiogs
regaining their proper level. Altogether, he was
proud-to think that the principle of- reduction
might birexpected to arrive at its height at a
much earlier peilod than that which it attaieed
after the termination of the American Wee. In
the'orditetry course in which the besiuesS of the
State- is submitted to Parliament, it had been
usual to la) before the Utilise the Estimates for
the*Navy in the first instance,which were followed
by these of the Artny, and the other branches of
the service. Bin it had appeared !obis Majesty's
Seteants on this occasion, that befoit the Honse
proceeded to the getter:4 investigation, It 'would
be convenient fur them to receive, by anticipa
Cvm, such to d,..seription as, would outbid them
to see,. at one view, the particular scale of expen-
diture on nbiele his 'Alajesty•s (Liverhttlent n''eret
in the first instance prepared to act. ,lie was
aware that, it u as the opinion twtriy.
mot; that it would. have been better if Minis:se:Cs
hail called Parliament togrethq at an earlier. pe-
riod, or that they had attended to the intimation
of a Noble Lord, given last Session, respecting
reductions. But he. wus confident that on due
tellection, Cite House would not now be, generally
of titat opinion. It was !tot in the first inometnie,„
of
_peace that the Home conld be competent to
take a full and deliberate view of the whole of
the public expenditure. Ile thetight it would be
better in the first instance for Violaters to subtnit.
to the Houk., un'tler their public 'responsibility.
their own views of the sithieet, than to leave
Gentlemen to runt race With the St:rvants of the
Crown, without having any explicit exposition
before them. .fle therefore trusted that the Hoose
would be convinced, when they came to look in-
to the subject, that Minister's have not foiled
to look wit the most scrupulous anxiety to
every poin-t, lit* order to propose snelt, reduc-
tions as might be futon! Worthy, of adoption ;
and though they bad never relaxed in their consi-
derations to effect this desirable object', they latict
been still more ardent in their investigations dur-
ing the interval since time last Session. Incfeecf,
not on his conscience believe, aim the ,re.,
thietiOnS COniti have practicably been matte more
soon than they have, Without lecturing great
latthiie inconvenience. Since lite peace of 1815,,
tin immense .'manlier, ot'soldiers, scatnesG. volt
Mitt intl., had been disbanded, or dischatged twat,

the ritireetive sei*viee, nod were compelled to
corn an honest live 11110ud, without disparaging
tee glory they lied obtained during their long
careue in the public cause. It was his task to
the present occasion the amount of the
&deicer forces still kept up, but without going
intf‘at minute examination, as the particulars of
the %.ariotts services would bebeenedto Parlia;
tort :it another opportunity, '. hen the liouse
%% wild he eimbled to examine all those Estimates
tool lons, previothly to giving their votes for the
Stirdhs. But the. t-ionse most be aware, that it
sit mild be impossible for the services to be carried
on vt Minn! the necessary grants of money being
on,etited to. lie wis!,ed,hOwever, particularly to
sate, that it wits not his intention to call On the
noose to vole thel4;stimates for the serviced the en-
tire year, but only for 14 certain number of months,
hich the inetdries would take place, which
wn:1111 plaee the llouse' in such t Situation• as to
i n-hle lion' to avail theniselvt:s of all manner of
information. At, therefore, every Menthe!' would,
have ati opporitinity of satislying hims'elf, it would:
H great sacrifice of their Hine, if -he were to'
coter info A minute statement this, night. But;
his main :object, teas only to put the House In
posseSsiott of description of math branch
of the service, in comparison With the last year.:
lie could •Hisnet, the House, that Government had,
rtitletivotomf twfota4 these. measmes with a strict:
r'efer'ence to the 01140011 of the country and I!'e.
exig,ricies of the State, tool in such II orittaer as
appeared to them it Wiie Cornhination. Thtt olt-
ieet of the 'Commit tee,: he apptehended. was wore
to.examine into the expenditure of the coma'
il, with, a %icie to ,lift;,( any.
not. sy*lein 0-nance Otherwise 'he thOuld have
himself incompetent to the tatik. Parlitoneot
oattrielly. felt, ',tux toes that the pnblicexpendit
ottotitl ondcroi a fair, impartial, and camlid exit -
n
tiatiott ; 'sod ht' cook( tiNslitl: the itottie that there,
t, the loost• anxious desire, on the part of Nlioiti-
o. is. cton't an examination into. this subject.
ton (eel thcntsclees pledged, as a po'!lit of
11,t000r,tst abject to any fair tiew that (night he
taken of the *object different frtim their own ; ;is
tile only thing on which they rested their pride
nod ;.dory' was to find out the weans, them
ound out by others, by 'thichi flit• COW)! ry Collld
I,C t Mitch (IS the 11,160.0 114Tell.ded for
Its glory lipeni ins naval and military d,:ifeliders,
. they he INlinlstero felt that there was no arm that
had stooo it iii gteater service than the publiecce-
do of the country, which hail tto eininently a‘sist-
d us thritogliOut the trementlinis.Stroggle. Ths re
cotild be no difference Of opiniOn as to the general:
pi iple of the necessity of looking into the ex-
' proolHire 'Of the country ; but above all, we Ought
'to see that the faith of, Parliament be inviolaidy
eserred —(Lotl cries of hear, hear, bear !) ;
and at ton h a time it should be proudlymnd.! known,
that this hallowt:d and happy country, England,'
(for great mid happy 'she untinestionably teas,
Slot willistanding her present timpirrary dillicnl
ties),, disdained to purt•hase a tninnent of ease and
strength, by feiling in the `good faith to•which
true stood honourably Hod emisciention,ly pledgetL
7-(l.lear, hear should now, without Further
'obwrvation, ptocet..(l to call the attention of the
Butter. to-the state of' the Army. :In the rompa-
tistur of the Estinoties for
,the • present year, he
-hllolsld -1)11t tl-e al Mies ill France aunt 'lodia aside,
Hs, not being Maintained et the expenee of
this colintry - The Land Forces, 'at .home and.
abroad, the Iloese recollect, by theii• vote
of la!t year, autOttnied in rank and file to-00,000
men, of which 53,000 were setting in Great liri-
lisin •
mid Ireland, anti 46,01)0 in Prance. It was
now proposed to make a redact ion from the 53,000
of 5;100 area. Out of the Estimate for the Co,
'branch, the reduCtion wonld be 13,000,
IB,oop:inen less for the.service
'Of this year, than the last. Now, be felt no hesi-
tation ill m o,i tg, that this 'reduction was resolved
tiodti• a strong. sense Oftheiliflietthies which
opittre,.t.e,t the country. This he thotight it his
ditty to stale, that the reasons tor it might not he
inis,,pprelie;,:led. lie thought Minister S-would be
ju,titicil in looking at the state of the Colonies,
when contemplatiog military reductions, because
titioe was tin opiniou , that the price of their de-
knee, accotiling to
,the present establishment,
taight he too dear, flat as to our home defence,
fie was confident that.there could behot one feel-.
itse, in the country. It 'must he the universal op'.
vino, that far this grand object no price .could he
too great, and the only question was‘ ..whir WAS
`the bt..st Course that could he adopted, as he wassore
-111,tt.c00,,;411 hit preseuted itself to convince Gen-.
of the nrcesilty of Out rt'sllueuflg the forces
rot 11,4w...defence to too lots tt shintlard. TititS, the
'Cotntaljsoif of this year with the last, stood as
81,000 'Oen to 99,000 ; the retinctions including
3;j() cavalry, 'nod 13,000 men from our different
,tattl;Ateietits :übrotid. The •rite Of last year al,
I,,..sthur for 150,000 men this year' it was
proposed collectively for 123,000.- The 'lndian
vote wmdd he for 17,000 instead of 20,000. On
the whole, thel,fore, he ,voold tepeetiliret of Ile.
croups in (ireitt Nitwit', Ireland, and tine Cohinies,
the inmate!. would he -81,000 honead of 119,00 g
then, silo! f,r all the Milit•ttyservieeoaken toe
*thee, I23,01)0 instead of 140,000, In: the -Esti-1
mat V.., I here would appear a stub of 220.0001; tei,
lie :pros ideni for, ml deconnt of regiments
had not
,reterned,frotoabroati, but were of
I .way Find in it course of reduction. 11
idi.oll,l now ;nerdy State, that the •Estimete.
the Whole of. the A ritty Vote' W.oolsl be a;s3Broutn
r,r land forces ; the ' other .eOittingent,
bran, het; woohl.hriog it
,ty to 6,830,0001, which,
frith slje ion of thin expellee!, ocCasioned by
the r'e'ltu efoeld. make the whole total
7,050;0001, The- Comtnissariat • to Greta 131itaiif
add be 500,01i01. 'This espentliture veintid
wohist st Hs Ont.! Wit idli mitst net e,saiily be 166111
to" the cOontry,- as it tots didinusediritirepitri
tiott,e of iiread,N,,e-at, rand fsab !t -r. illiderfarficohr.
eireloostatices, and it wasnatto,ii;ywoelt;inereissett
,Ity do: cid; orestitrice of 11'1 ovi•sit ori.‘Vitit respeCt't4
11ff Il u"r.ti, k 1%-nahli4lonent, it had been so tar. re 4
rtnerit ;is ttom
.17:3,0001, which it latelY.cost, Id
ietptive ttct 1/I?re..'o,lllfriitili 70,0001." f680..,0001.:—,
The total demand for the 'CommissHriat and Bar-
ll:partmente might therefore be taken at
f*:0.000 for Great Britain .and 'lreland. After
recapitulating ioitii.,'"Ori-he Items in -the
stotentvltt, course of which he
:•.4`.i,erved that the Liartiordiwiriet of the Army

had not lantiergone any reduction, the Noble Lord
observed, that he toisal coar.4e for' the whole Arßsiy
'Ser6ee was 9,2:9,0001. the provisi•in hist
year was 10,561,0001.; so that the reducriult 01
the eepolices in this sert ire produced a saving; l,t
.3J4,0001. Ile bllo.lld nnev piI)CPCO to give (lie
House a general outline of the Ordnance Esti-
Min es. 'The Charge for't he ,la t Fear, e "en 11 er
every deduction then made, had 'beet; 1,696,0001.;
that, for the present year amounted only 'to
1,246,0001.; so that there would be a diminution
of 450 0001, on that single Item. This saving
was eflected by the reduction of a whole WM-
lion in the corps of Sappers and Miners, :and Of
41)011t 3000 artillety. Fie had already stated,
that the reduction in the veneral services of the
Army amounted to 1,331.0001. ; it the 450.0001.
'laved iit the Ordoance Departmettt were joined to
it, the total rethiction wonlil he 1,781,0001.--
lle thought it necessary to call the. attention
of the [loose to an iinportant feattoe in the
Ariny F.43timat es. They aniounted for the pre-
sent year, to 6,538,0001'. 'but out Of 'Vette
'2,55,1,0001. terse for m.reices already perfOrm:
ed, and totally unconnected with those of the
year. So that if the !louse did not' vote ooe
single soldier to-guard the British Empire, the
2,551,0001: to which he 'had alluded must still be
fulvided for the balf•pay.of Officers, thOetired
List, 'and Pensiims already granted. it was then
a fact, that instead of innountiog to 6,538,0001.
the real vote would he wider. four millions ster-
ling. \Vlieii Gentlemen spoli.e of the largeexpenee
of the army, he wished them tostake that point
into consideration. Por it ought not to be for-
gotten, that, io the opera ion of saving, his 'Ma-
jest y's Ministers were always driven to' the ne-
ressity of giving hall-p sy. All their economical
efforts were thus counteracted to a Certain degree.
AS they reduced the force on active ditty, they
threw on the cottotry a proportionaie expetwe of
at least one•third, if not fully one-.balf, what the
whole 'es fienditure of the force which they re-
(lnce,' 'Would have been, hail it boon left on
foOtiog Of. activiiy. Ile should now pass to
the 'arrangeMents proposed for the Navy. The
;louse 1)1,1 eOted 33,000 turn last yuar Inc that
service. Out of these, 23,000 were for the ,ac•
wt! service o( the year, and 10,00(1 in progress
of lednetioo. iitce that tithe, however, it, had
hero lootill advisable to reduce the vote to a pro-,
vision of eighteenthousand men instead of 23,000.
It would in fact be 19,000 men, as it was not hi-
tewled to reduce the Royal Marittes.—(lleur,
hear, hear !)—That was a most useful force, and,
one, which if once brOlsen down conic) nisi
he formed again, whilst the best seamen could
always be collected with he.greatest Facility. The
redu'efiAn of seamen I'vould of course allow of a
reduction of ships and other naval expences. The
charge fur the navy .amotmted last • year to
10:111,0001., and this year to only 6,397,0001.;
sO that there was II redoction in that 'single branch
of no Tess than 3,717,0001. It was also' to be
considered that within that vote, redttred as it
WaS, cmiiideeable sinus would be applied to pur-
poses entirely unconnected With the service of the
present year. Not less than 500,0001. would be
wanted' fur the •psynient 'of tt Transport Debt pre-
existing. The immense iaving in the Navy
Estiro ites would lie prodtteed in part by the fol.
lOwilig reduction., the'vvear nod Tear De-
pall went ',35050001., in Ext eLordinaries;29l ,0001.
and iCVTransportS 711,0001. And besides all this,
awl beyond the 3.717,0001; now ceduced, there
was 'the Prospect of the discontinuance of the
500,0001. which lie had Mentioned. The ehargo
for.. ?Miscellaneous 'Services had "been last year
1,900,0001. for'Eogland, and 600,0001. .for Ire-
land. It would antomit Oils year only to 1,000,0001.
for Engbiod,' and ,',00.0001. for Ireland, so tbat
there would he a saving in that branch of one
Ile would now recapitulate the realm-
lions effected io the various Departments of the
l'oblie service

L.! ,334,00t1.,

In the ,bale
In the Or4lisitce
In the Navy
In the Nlisvellaneuns.SerOces,

3 :5107,006000
p.
1,000,000

Grand Total /X0501,000
On the other band, the Charges for the "present year Would
be as fullotVs : •
,FOr the Artily • ' L.7,0n0,000
ror )P,iirractis BBo,opo
Vur I:xtraordittaries a
Fur the Ortlnanee
For the Navy
Fur 11 iscellatteuus St.rtices tt • . t 1',540,000

Total
7.,18,373,009
In submittii)g-these Estimates to• the House, lie
thought it would be Unfair to attempt to partieo.
utid tix those sums which Initt he provided
foriihis,year, hut which might not be required the
',ext. It would be giving n pledge on the part of
.Nlini•iters by which it could not be expected they
sholi:tl hind themselVei. It WAS as iniliossiblefor
the Oovertiment, as it would be fur a private in..
dividinil, to he able- to regulate, in ti .pus
manner, the expeoces of the next year,' so as to says,
auit they woiild nut eXceed a certain estimate. In
yeitr, other sohiers of expenditure might
wise ; but other dediic.ion, might, no doubt, also
bei;itic. (ioverumelit would be on the watch,
wouhl avail riu:ncielves of e'very'opportimity
of et r codling expeneili. Out ot the i 8,37i3,0001:
1),,,,v0ied tot: the preient year, he Would show what
;;laihUhly cease to ‘lie wanted for tliti
ii;,cly filar 220,0001. he'saveri
l'otitrvltri, Itisut regild-nt3 whidt
vier: ti ny ii)
.prog/eSM of reduction, The Extra.;
ought be, reduced 390,0001; or • Irosii
I ,3p0,0001; to. 1,000,0001. in' fbe ()Mosinee
he trod, in ' contia.Js, mid in the
.)k.piirt tile tvitiett be., bad
r;ihnittg tilt:11 411 1',070,0001. sti
;that the I.,:,stiinite%. ()light to liii considered al!
amottioni;t to ttvt:ittto rAtiwr tlinn elgtrteen
hail ilh.eit,!y idlinted,ovhilst tpenithig
on.theArthy t.',4itti•lie,to the ei4a-rge 612,55 ',OOOl,
for serVieei performed. The ttivitie might to
he taken ott bee sirviaes. lii pee
in the N's y tinioittiteilio. 1 271,,00111: .e*elusive of
400,00/. in Chit iiltis. *lli the 'Ordnance tq
223,001. tsirmiii:4' ;1' I;r.:l,nd '4,4.15-,0004
with the sort ices of the Year',
and which most be provided, if not one soldier
were kept, or one ship retsiiited„ When the yob-

lie Mind was le 1 to contemplate the apparently
great,.eharges for the army and Kiley, he hoped
that a due separation would be made between
those which had grown out of the war, anti those
which really arose (tom the necessities of the
year. If the House looked to the estimates of
1792, es a point of comparison, it ought to re-
collect, that the charge for performed services
scarcely existed at that time. . if the 1,070.0001.
which would not recur next year, together with the
4,445,0001. applied to repay past cervices werede-
ducted from the, preient Estimates, their real
amount would not be found to exceed 13,858,0001.
It would take much titne to cuter into a particular
comparison of these estimates with those of 1792,
But a ought not to be forgotten that it was after
six years progressive redaction that Mr. Pitt
had brought them down. to 5,200,0001. They
only embraced at that time.one branch of the
United Kingdom. But now they included Irelend,
and the whole British Empire. if the House
'looked to.lreland at that'period (and how diffe-
rent was its, situation then from what it was at
preseet!) they would find that its expellees aim-unit-
. ed to I;000,0006. a year,'which taised the total
'of the Estimates in 1792, to 6.200,0001. They
were certainly' now 13,858;0001., about Ow
double. But then what had been the growth of
the lit it ish Empire, and the extent of its colonies.?
NVhat had been the situatioe of Europe, the great
social change that lied taken place, and the temper
created by it in France ? .Those were reasons
which had altered the con)itioir and increased I he
expenses of Great Britein.. The very measures
adopted by the House also, at:commd for a, large
portion .of the aogittented expenditure of the
country. The pay of the army had been donhled,
and other allewaoces lied been granted'to soldiers
and officers, both at .1;ome•roul abroad, which
made t he; expeuditure 1792 no eriterioe for
that of the present time. As an instance of this,,
he should stAte, that a regiment of cavalry, coo-
sistine Of 700 men, would iu 1792 have cost only
28,000/. whilst, it cost at present 38,000, 10,000/.
More trail at that period. There were nu.e
six-
teen thousand Men of that arm in the British
army. Prujudices should not be entertained against
the sincerity of Ministers io their efforts at eco-
nomy, because the estimates of the present year
amounted to 13 millions, and those of 1792 only
to six millions. They had already opened one.
Source of reduction tit, the House. There was'
another, the effect of which woeld be more re-
mote, hut 'not less sure. On the four millions ap.
plied to performed serviced, a grudnal diminution,
could not tail to take place. The hurthen would
certainly be borne gratefully by the country as
long as it should exist.---(Bear, heat' 1)7-114
there would be a reduction in that, branch, not
only by the, cessation of the lives of indivultials
who received t pensions, but because 'Ministers
Would think it their 'duty to call as many half-pay
otlicers into active service, whenever it would be
in their power. .lie bad inquired into the pro
treble reduction of the number of holividnale in the
army and navy, who were now inscribed on the half.-
pay list. It Alllollllted to 100,000, 56,000 of which
belonged to the, army. Assuming 40 to be their
medium age, it was probable, eccording to the
tables of calculation, that one-half of them would
have cased.to exist in the next 23 years. The.
proportion avonld therefore be about 2000 we'
a•year and 100,0001. In the present Estimates,
his Ma-jesty!sGoverumentliad used
,their strongest
endeavours, without .endangering the safety of
the country,' to frame them in spelt a manner as
to bring the expenditure .of the .country within
the scale of its .means. At the close of the most
arduous struggle, in which uny,country %vas ever
engaged, Ministers had so conducted the public
affairs, that after the stependotts exettious of.war,
and in the first year of peace, they had had. the
satisfaction to remit not. less than eighteen mil-
lions sterling of taxes to. the people, and found
themselves able to square the.exacuditure of the
t country within its means. His Right Honourable
I.4‘tierul, the Chancellor Of. the Exchequer, would
soon open his part to the Mouse, and give theM
details which might be relied upon, of the means
which the country possessed of meeting its ex-
penditure. At the present moment there would
have been a•balance in favour of the country,
bad, there not betil• a elliirge 10r a provision
for the Unfontled Debt, amounting to about
2,330,0001- But even then an improvement of
1,500,0004 might have taken place if there
had not been a deficiency in the tevenue of
the Consolidated Fund this year. Aids ms
as the difficulties :of the nation 'had .beeti ;
accitundetieg as had beets the deficiencies in
the revemie, yet there . would have been an Im-
provement on the general balance. But what
united the scale, amid prevented the title of pro-
sperity front flowing its he hoped into kiteeoaalrY,
arose front it. measure adopted with respect to the
country with which he was more particularly coo-
Heard : he meant the consolidation of the Irish
and English Exchequers, ;which imposed an ad-
ditional charge (matte latter, .Having shown that
the Government hell endeavoored to bring the
pobliatexpenditurewithio the means of 1116 COUII.-
try. he trusted thst the' House would see that the
Esritniteshad been cast on a principle of ecottemy
and moderation, and had not been pushed beyond
the necessity of the case. It was not necessary,
therefore, to lake gloomy views of the haute:
Members, oh the contrery., would be able tis hold
,out to their constituents a not very distant pros-
pect of progressive reductions. He would not at,
tempt 'to disguise that the present, year had
flieted the severcstpressnre open all classes. Nu
individual could. be so inattentive as not to feel
that the hand of Providence had been extended to
jeffect this situation,• by withholding the genial
influence of the seasons.---(Hear,. hear,'hear!)—
It ought perhaps to- add to the regret of all,.
to' learn that they had not 'been exposed gin.
gly to that, cadamity, but that It had been
'felt more 'ar: lass deeply by every.-, State and
People on the Continent of Europe. It he were
to make adistinction between any States; t would
be in ,favetir of this country, the P.essure on
whitle'fied been less severe, or atleast m:rrtrin.
eustt
portable,' then otr any or u
theEropean Na I
e-wes iiko a consolation to reffeet; that it: its suf.,
feeings.bad been great,. the ardour for.relieving
them Lad not been less remarkable throughout,
classes of the community. Never bad hympith
so powerfully exerted influence before. it hart