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ibe means were ever .ext-ende.l of- its

gratification, he thought Ihe love of spotting was

just as likely to become injurious to tl.e
orders as the spirit of taming was pernicious to the
higher ours. And 'as to the poachers, if found out,
who would venture to prosecute them ? Front their
daring and desperate character, it vraenot at alt,
likely that the farmer, whose barns and stacks
were so peculiarly exposed to their vindictive
depredations, would roil the risk of informing
agai.igt them. fie thought the Bill had ever/
tendency to aggtavate the evils, it professed to
remedy.

The Marquess frif l'AvisTocK entirely enncurred
in the principle of the Bill, and thotight unfair
that the little farmer hhoutil have-no si.are in the

game which be himself _preserved. The ,Gaind
Law, s %tere nothing less than an intolerable nni4

sauce, and the imprisciriment cif poachers increased
.within a few years from five to fil in the course
of the last year; Poaching' was not considered 4
serious crime and since deer were legally made
saleable, no man had been found guilty of once
stealing them. The Gentlemen of England would
trot surely think of leaving their estates, because
their game might probably be lessened. He
thought the Game Laws bad, unjust, and imprn.
per, and'he should therefore give his hearty ap-
probation to the Bill of his lion. Friend (Mr.
Brand).
_ .

Mr. G. BANKEs argued that many of the pro-
visions of the pres'ent Bill were excessively. se-
vere. A Gentlenion, for instance, who should go

out slitting the. day with nets to, bring the game
from an outlying part of his estate to another
part (not an Atucommon practice at present),
Would, for the first offence, be liable in a penal.!
ty of 101. ; fora second, in a penalty of 201. ;
and for a thirst, to twelve months imprisonment
and whipping. He contended that if ►he present
Bill should pass into a law, a clause would be in-

set ted. into all leases to prevent the farmer hunt
,enjuying game. At no great distance of time
game would be so scarce, that the pursuit of it
would cease to be au amusement. The facility

of disposal would be a temptation to poaching.
Call game by what name they would, it was itn-
possible to put it cm he• same footing with. other
propelly. If game was to be' matte private pro-
perty he wished to know how the tithe was las
be taken on ! and a laugh.)-=Was it •
the tenth egg, or the tenth shot, or the tenths
bird ?--(a laugh.)—There were many other objec7
equally deserved attention, but had
never obtained it: lie should oppose the further
progress of the Bill. .
WILBERFOUCE said, the sagacity of his •
Hon. Flietid who had last spoken, anti Whose '
talents' he did not fail to admire, he could have
wished to have seen employed in a better cause.
It was a well-known process of persuasion
the mind employed with itself to shut itselfi against
all the arguments on (toe side of a • question, arid
to receive-all those on the other side. His 1100. ,
Friend (Mr. G. Bankes), had quite overlooked t he
fact, t bat there were knumber of persons in this
country who could get game, and whet, under the
eSent:syseet»,. procured. it, from poachers. The
experience of the excise taught them, that as.elie
urausfer of this commodity Could nolle prevent-
ed it !Hight be hest reguiated by time system of li
reuses. The systetn-of tiii;Gatrie'taivi'cOlild not
be suffered to.esist in time pri,sent eamh,„loeited
age, an,dif the present Bill 'di'••Pkased his
Friend, he would do well-to' employ his actite;!
neSs in devising better means of accomplishieig •
the carte ohjeet. •
Mr: BANKuS (the elder) spoke at great length
against the motion, and contended that the Bill
would have the effect of Aestroyiog all the'game
hi the country within the space of four yearst, as
well as of banishing count y gentlemen front
their estates, who would not,bear to be deOrived•
of those rural sports in vehicle they had always
been accustomed to indulge. The Hon: Gewle.
man then entered into a detail of the existinit laws
on the subject, and commented on some of the•
arguments advanced by Sir John Sebright. Time
oman law, be said, was that by which most of •
the political institutions of Europe were regulat-
ed, and this did not sanction, the principle
down by those who supported the present motion.
He opposed the arguments of his Hon. Friend
Mr. Wilberforce as tending to give an unhitched
license to crime, because it was already preva-
lent ; a proposition which he maintained was as
dangerous as it was indefensible. It was not be-
cause poachers committee! depredations that the
offence of which-they were guilty was to be sanc-
tioned by an Act of time Legislature. On the con-
trary, the execution of the laws ought to he more
rigomoas in proportion as the offence became,
more-extended. The Hon. Member, concluded
various other observations of time same import, by
voting aganst time motion, as tending•to increase
those crimes which it professed to diminish.
SiC J. SElittlGtiT explained.
Mr. Marryal, Mr. Scarlet(,
.and ,a new Mem.
her, (Lord,Clitton,) rose together, Mr. Marryat
had fit st caught the Speaker's eye, but there was
a general cry for the new Member...A Member
under theGallety suggested that it was a matter ot
courtesy that a new Member should be first heard.
The SPEAKER observed, that. the Honourable.
Gentlemao -was mistaken as to the practice of the
House. In the first 3ession of a Parliament every
Member was a new f‘iember.: •
Mr., MARRYAT then p roct eded amidst loud
coughing, and cries., of '4* Question,"' so that w&-
could scarcely collect that he supported the Bill.
Lord CLIFTON - sm:pported time Bill ; itt the pre-
sent system the seeds of vice were deeply laid, and
in its prowess ate extent of crime had grownup
exceedingly dangerous to the Constitution ; it
would, he believed, continue to increase so long as
the present.syslem existed.—(Loud Cries of (11(.9-
tinn Question ! were renewed..)---At lengtit
silence being restored,
General Gaimsvlistott .saidm, time Bill was any
thing'but ki Game Bill, it was in his opinion a.
Biil.to make game of the Constitution, (A Laiigh,)
and. to put aims into time hands of every maim in
the country. lie was sorry it did not meet witis
he opposhimi of his Majesty's grave Counsellors.
11 it was carried through the [louse, the con.6e-
ereoce would be, that an am,ginentatioo of I
Majesty's forces to the amount of at least 12,000
would 14 necessary. It .was .IliekiSlure mbar

should be looked to with great jealousy. Upon
thcse grounds lie would oppose the motion,
The Maniocs! of TITCHFIELnsaid, lie approved
of the principle or the Bill. Ile wished to see
the Game Laws expunged from the Statute Book,
became he .cons,idered them to be founded it) in-
justice. Their tendency was nothing less than
to oppress the poor for the convenience of the
rich. Tbongh such were ltis satiments he would
11ov:ever Oppose the motion tar going into a Com-
toittee, because theme was a clause in the Bill to
v,hich lie felt the strongest obitttioll, that tor le—
pliziog the sale of: game.
Mr. SCARLhTT rose, Onlong, mingled cries of
Question, anti Mr. Scarlett.!' He did not mean
to detain the House more that) a few [ninnies,
lout he flit it his duty to offer a few observations
in support of the Bill. He was sorry he had not
been in the House tally enough to hear the argu-
ments used against this mesure, as it would
Lave given him an opportimity of replying to
them. It was gentrally allowed that poaching
was a great evil, and ooe, that ought to he re- 1,
pressed as much as possible. If the Bill in goes- '
tion tended to increase that evil, be would un-
doubtedly oppose it ; but it was because it would
have a contrary effect that he supported it. If
the tenant had » property in the game, he would
have an inducement to prevent poaching; but at
present the tenant had no such property, and he
bad an interest in destroying game, and encou-
raging others to do it. It was found where game
was preserved, the tenant
,allo,ved his labourers
and servants to destroy it with impunity; and he
had himself known tanners who allowed 'heir
labourers to repay themselves in game when
wages were low. The Hon. Member proceeded
to state the advantages which would wise front
the adoption of this Bill, and concluded hy ob-
serving that It had his most chrdial support.
Air. Alderman HEYGATE and Mr. H. SUMNER
opposed the Dili.
Mier a few words from a Member tinder the
gal I ry, , hose 'Lime conk!. not he le,oned,
Mr. BRAND rose to npiy.—The Hun. Member
proceeded to answer the several arguments used
by the opponenrs of the Bill. He hail heard few
objections to the principle ttpon which it Was
founded, and he thought that &great number of
the objections might be obviated when the Bill
wasivaConttuittee. It was urgel that l'arliatneut
ought not to take away the inducement which
Gentlemen had to reside on their estates ;
bat surely the relief and encouragement given io
the poor by Gentlemen residing in the country,
were much greater amid more noble inducements,
than the trilling, Ise might add contemptible ones
of bunting and shooting. He hoped he should
never again bear similar arguments used for simi-
lar purposes. After having mentioned several in-
stances of the depravity and clime which had oil-
gioa,cd in poaching, the Hon. Member con-
eluded by hoping the [loose would consider seri-
ously the oature,! of this measure ; be kit it to
ahem to decide, whether it shook! or should not
be adopted.—The House then divided,

For the Amendinent ..
Against it
Majority .%;:linst the 'notion
MAD-HOUSES REGULATION BILL.

o+c entering the Gdtdery we lottod the House'in
Committee oil the Mad-houses Rt.gulation Bill.
The Mad-houses Regulation Bill, and the Ante_
riean Convention Bill, were severally committed.
Reort on Monday. _ _

In a Committee of Supply, the, proposition of Mr•
R. `VA RD., for the grant of IMO& on account,
for the service of the Ordnance, was agreed to
without any observation.—Rerrt 'on Monday.