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portunity, before the Estimates were produced,
of. impressing upon Government the necessity•ef
their turning their attention to the Civil ESta.e
Mishments of the Navy, which he thought were
capable of great reduction.
Sir GEORGE WARKENDER anticipated the, re-
6'ction of many. Civil Offices.. When the Civil.
Estimates should be before the House, he would
be able to point out. many savings which he had
beeu enabled to make. iii the event of an arma-
Meet being called for, they would be able to draw.
,great means from the Commercial Navy of the
Country. In consequence of the sailorS finding
such ample employment in Commerce, they were
enabled,to exercise great economy, and he had
no doubt that 20 sail of the lind might easily be
Increased to 30 by using the means thus offered.
They could always procure sailors, but it was
marines they most wanted. Another facility
which they possessed of obtaining sailors, was
derived from having pensioned a great number
With a sort of half-pay, the granting of which was
Made Conditional with the promise of the men to
.return to their ships when- wanted. He hoped,
therefore, the Committee Would see the efficiency,
of the measures adopted by Government on this
head, and not be inclined to adopt the expensive
system pointed out by the Hon. Member for Aber-
.tleee (Mr. Hume.)
Mr. II urea said, he never remembered to have
heard the matter discussed in that House, with-
out great commendations being beetoweel on the.
body of marines. That House, he believed, had
scartely ever come to a vote on the subject with-
out a regret being expressed that more marines
were not raised. His opieion entirely coincided
Xitli this.
thought the marines airiest useful
nd necessary body—they had always distin-
gttl.B led themselves in every war beyond expec-
tae°.'; and he highly approved of the augmen-
at„ion of the Co;pS.
Ir• Poitnes regretted the reduction which
ad been made of
the seamen. With regard to
‘the reduction
of the Civil -Establishments gene-
.herallY hoped the advice given to Government
would be acted upon. But, most of all-, he
hoped to see a reduction. of the two land Lords
of the Admiralty. He
.had always had a great
ar'tipathy•to their appointment.. The reduction
of our seamen was a most.disastrous thing for
the Country • The consequence was, that.they
Went off to America, the Continent, wherever
y Could get employment, or were thrown upon
the Country to be a burden to it, or to starve, as
he had frequently witnessed.
Sir G. WARRENDER said, that so far from the
tailors being thrown on the country at the.peace,
i 5155050 of them were pensioned in the way he
had before explained. by'Crovernment, and 1175
Ld'hipmen had been promoted as a just reward
art„er a long war.
e1.1',4r. GLADSTONE corroborated the statement
present
had been made of the number of seamen at
atte7nt employed in our commercial navy. He
e,‘ hilted this to.the increase of our commerce,
'ecei
-1Y with the•Brazils, which was now the
tee,„„,
do ' 'a extent, and magnitude which this king,
Pos
port
w.ose,ssed. lie had manned a vessel. in this
cuity iiiin" the last ten deys and found no diffi-
Procuring very fine seamen. He had ex-
perienced
the same facility
pool l„tek aein the poet of Liver-
4-slitNoToer objected to the motion of the
"•:Baronet,
because he thought there were not
4ttih c''ent estimates before the House, and he
eil,Zg"t the custom of voting supplies without
observanee
was more honoured in the breach than the
d.
What he particularly wished to
draw the attention of the House to was, the anti,
petion so broadly expressed by the Hon. Ba-
rnret and others, that in case of war, the impress-
, en t would furnish any number of human beings,
tearing them from their employments, their wives
andbut
families. Nothing could justify impressment
het some great overruling necessity. But it was
hot
to be looked forward to as an every day re-
st:Mrse. He sincerely hoped that the First Lord
_tthe Admiralty, new that they were in the en-
.l)",.finetit of peace, would bring forward sortie
'an for the abolition, as far as might be, of this
Ztressing practice. Expellee, he thought,
iht he no object to the, nation, when incurred
1 the diminution of a practice so abhorrent to
veer,
an nature. -lie was not enthusiast enough to
zq
.oi se that the system could be gotten rid of
,ther, but he hoped that those who advised
I.l:it 11IajeSty would take..the matter deeply into
consideration.
sii. el
Jett tOrt:or. COCKBURN said, this was a sub-
AheN)(4l which all persons connected with the
ratt
their
ui t •
on of naval affairs had employed
see,. e '?host earneat attention. He was happy to
tlkat Mat the Admirelty, with the, assis-tauce of
wards -had been enabled to do much to-
'6sseeing the evil. Pensions were grant-
Tose th, ae,,tnen who were. discharged for that pur-
eon thatn' in proportion as trolley was expended
respect e?lni, the evil was diminished. With
i'iretter lee- Commercial Navy, the matter was
;lie treee'" understood DOW betwesen them and
1...1'A3r look's.; for as soon .as .a war broke out,
ceulein out for foreign searte,ti, and-any
v4vy sea_4 get, aed it was a Veoe.lit to the
Nace ti 'en that they
did, for on the return of
emic'Y, Were of course able to proctere imme-
, ~e,,PlnYtrient in superseding these. liereigners.
4:1"p ,„a bard to sailors being thrown on tine cOun-
n a ate starving, much deception was priectised.
occasion, when there were receiving
hbelltrointed to receive those who were fteand
lity 444 Country, he had sent down an oftieet' to
silati be Man a sloop of war out of them, but lie
'ee ellen unable to accomplish it, so many were.
not do4Postors. When war should arrive, he did
tit at b
t being able to man a gr rmame
eat at ; orb w ctoe same- time they must have power to
"on' the mmean'erchant service.
,4eo usieleceeoet explained, that he did not
erlin.i throw any blame upon his Majesty's Go-
(,„n Their measures in this respect had
tetelie"r.e approbation, and he hoped they would
_them,
4ividre t:REEVEY persisted in Ills determination to
proe_sedthe House on the subject of the vote now
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et, ,ile Gallery was accordingly cleared, and
6'l'lg our
absence the Committee divided five
-.CB on the question of the different Resolutions