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THE CLERGY.

DOUBT OF KING'S BEN6H, DUBLIN, JUNE'V.:

THE SING AND THE REV. RICHARD MURRAY V. HIS GRACE

THE LORD PRIMATE.

In this case Counsel applied for a conditional rule or a Man-
damus to his Grace the Lord Primate, to shew cause why he
should not grant the usual certificate to Mr. Murray, according
to the 38th Canon, of his honesty, ability, and conformity to the
ecclesiastical laws, to enable him to pass from the diocese of
Armagh into another Diocese, when Mr. Murray's affidavit
was stated at guat length, putting 'forth a case of alleged
cruelty, but which we at present forbear to detail,; the. Court
having granted the conditional rule. and his Grate being called
on to chew cause in four days why he should not grant the
said certificate.
The case being a novel one in this country, we propose laying
a full report of it before our readers, when his Grace shall shew
cause.—(Dublin Paper.)

PHEFERMENTS.—The Rev. Edw. Whitehead, B.D. late
Fellow of Corpus Christi College, in this University, has been
instituted, by-the Lord Bishop of . Hereford, to the Living of
Eastham, with the Chapels of Hanley and Orton annexed,
in the county of Worcester, upon his own presentation.—
On Friday a dispensation passed the Great Seal, enabling the
Rev. -Joseph Baylis, M.A. Chaplain to his Grace the Duke of
Beaufort, and Rector of St. Mary-de-Crypt, Gloucester, to hold
with that benefice the Vicarage of Alicldeton with Ebrington
annexed; by presentation-of the Lord Chancellor. On Monday
the Dean and Chapter of Hereford presented the Rev. F. Coke,
Prebendary of Hereford Cathedral, to the Living of Sellack
and Caple. At the same time they presented the Rev. Henry
Pearce, Vicar of the College, to the Vicarage of Yarkhill; and
the Rev. Win. Munsey, \ of the College, to. the Vicarage
of Norton Canon. '
The Rev. Robert Hilton Scott has been appointed to the
Lectureship. of St. John's, in Newcastle-on-Tyne, vacant by
the resignation of the Rev. H. B. Tristram. -
In the Jury Court at Edinburgh, on Tuesday se'nnight, the
Rev. A. Scott, a Catholic Clergylnan in Glasgow, obtained
1001. damages against Mr. M'G avin, a merchant there, and 201.
against a Mr. S 3 m, for libelling his character, in a periodical
work called the Protestant, by charging him with oppressively
extorting money from the poor of his congregation, to build
new chapel.
The Annual Visitation of the Chancellor of the diocess of
Carlisle, tock place at Penrith on Thursday, when the Rev.
Dr. Robinson, Rector of Clifton, Westmorland, delivered an
excellent discourse from the 3d chap. of the first Epistle to the
Thessalonians, verse B.—The Chancellor's charge excited• the
admiration of all present, , both for its moderation and the up-
rightness of the principles which it inculcates.

TUE QUAItTEIIf.Y REVIEW.—The second 'ar-
ticle of the last Number of this interesting pub-
lication is a Review of Capt. Lyon's Travels in
.'Northern Africa, in which there ig.the following;-
Song of an Arab, highly expressive of the cha-
'racter and feelings of that people :
" Here I am, well mounted, on a horse, whose ears are like
pens, who runs like an antelope, and
.knows .none but his mas-
ter. My new red cap becomes me Well ;my sword is sham,
my pistols well cleaned, and my belt shines in the sun. As the
.heart of a pigeon beats when she finds she is robbed cf her
young, so will my love's heart beat when the sees me. She
will not allow the dog to bark, and she :will leave the tent as if
in search of wood. Should her kinsmen see her with me, 'she
shall not fall under their displeasure. • I will lift her on my
horse, and fly with her ; for my steed has cars like pens, he runs
like an antelope, • and knows none but his master. My new
tags:is becomes me well • my sword is sharp, my pistols clean,
and my belt.shines in the sun."
The Reviewer giveS the following beautiful.
versification of it, and intimates that.the Author
of it may be easily guessed :
" SONG.
" Behold me,' sung Hassan the fearless And free,
' On the steed which obeys not a master hut me,
Who points like the-quills of the eagle his ears,
And whoie bound o'er the desert is light as the deer's.
Behold me with sabre well sharpened and bright,
And with-yistols new flinted and burnished for fight,
• Aiy cap with fresh scarlet so gaily be-done,
And my baldrick of silver which gleams in the sun.
When my true love espies me, the heart in her breast
Shall beat quick as the pigeon's when robbed of her nest ;
She will hush the hoarse watch-dog, and.hie to the grove,
That the eyes of her kindred espy not her Love;
Yet, let them descry me—their wrath I defy,
And why should 'she tremble when Hassan is nigh ?
Like the hawk from the covey, selecting his prey,
FrOm the midst of her tribe I would bear her away.
I would mount her behind me; sung Hassan the free,
On the steed which obeys not a rider but Me; • '
Who points like the eagle's sharp. feathers his ears,
And whose bound o'er the desert is light as the deer's ;
For I come with my sabre, &c.' "

SOUTFIA3IPTON, JUNE 30.—The Royal Glouceater.Lodge
of Free Masons met on Tuesday last, to celebrate the Anniver-
sary of St. John,' at Free Masons' Hell, after which 'they ad-
journed to the Star Inn, and partook of an excellent darner,
served up by Brother Guy, and the afternoon was devottdt)
harmony
.and friendship.
There rs every reason to hope that. the Meeting of the Hamp-
shire Society for the Education of the Poor, on Monday the ihir
of July, will be very fully attended.' The desire of meeting our
Venerable Diocesan, upon his first public appearance in Win-
chester, may be expected to bring together Many of the neigh-
bouring Clergy, while the interest which has always been cr-
cited by the numerous assemblage of children (to. the amount,
we believe, of 700), at the triennial meeting •of the Society, will
be increased on the present occasion, in ,consequence of. the
Bishop having undertaken to advocate the cause of the charity..
We understand there is little doubt. that his 'Lordship will
terwa'rds honour. the Society, with •his.tompany to dinner, at St.
John's flou:se.—(llaropshire Chrotick.)

PAW, AME NT,

HOUSE OF LORDS, JULY S.
The Rovir, ASSENT was given by Commission

to the following Bills
The Loan Bill, the Exchequer Bills' Bill, the Irish
miry Bill, the Bank of Ireland Bill, the Wool Importation
Bill, the Irish Stock Transfer Bill, the Naval Stores' Bill,
the Scotch Distilleries' Bill, the Scotch Ikialt'Duties' Bill, the
Wool Registry Bill, the Vagrant Laws' Amendment Bill; the
Justice of Peace Bill, the East India Trade Bill, the Fur Trade
Regulation Bill, the Salvage Acts Amendment Bill, the
tish Herring Fishery. Bill, the .Irish Coal Yards' Bill, the
Irish Gaol Fees' Bill, the Thames L2.stage and Ballast Bill,
and several private-Bills. The Commissioners were, the Loki
Chancellor, the Duke of Montrose, arid the Earl of •Shaftes-

bury.
The following Bills were brought up from the Commons
The Irish Customs Collection Bill, the Public Works' Bill,
the Captured Slaves' Pill, the Acetous Acid Bill, the Irish
Silk Bounties' Bill, and the l'cluscovk:Sugar Importation
Bill.—'They were each read the first tifne.
Mr. Swinburne presented the Annual Accounts of the Com-
missioners of Westminster Bridge.
BANKRUPT LAWS.
Lord DACRE moved for the postponement of the second
reading of the Bankrupt Laws Amendment Bill, with a viers
to letting the subject stand over to the next Session, the pre-
sent being so near its close His Lordship, at the same time,
expressed his satisfaction at understanding that the subject was
then likely to be taken up by a Noble Lord in that Housq, Who
was much-more competent to meet the question in all its bear-
ings than he was.
The LORD CHANCELLOR announced his intention of
briiging forward a Bill upon that subject early in the next Ses-
sion of Parliament. He had hitherto abstained from giving
any intimation of his purpose, from a wish not to interfere with
the views of any other Noble Lord on the subject.
The motion was then agreed to. -
Lord KING presented a Petition from certain Inhabitants of
Reading, in favour of the Cruelty to Animal's Bill.
His Lordship also presented two other Petitions, one from
Pool, and one from Lewes, praying for a mitigation of the
Criminal Laws.

They were all ordered to be laid on the Table.
The Sheerness Lands. Bill, and the Irish Foundling Hospi-
tal Bill, were each read the third time and passed.
The Consolidated Fund Bill, and the Coasting Trade Bill
passed through the Committees and were reported.

PUBLIC ECONOMY.

The Earl of DARNLEY said, that he felt upon
all occasions where his duty required him to ad-
dress the House, the 'disadvantages under which.
he laboured from a want. of the weight and im-
portance confirmed by commanding abilities. If
such was his feeling upon all occasions, how much
more strongly must it operate in the present,in;
stance, when he was about to call their Lordships'
attention to a subject of such moment as the re-
trenchment of the various establishments of the
State, and that too at the close of a Session,
which had been distinguished by nothing-so much
as bya general apathy towards all public ques-
tions within the walls of that House. The
position with which all discussions had been re-
garded could not be more strongly exemplified
than in the complaint of a Noble Lord, who la-
mented that one debate had been protraeted.to
such- an hour as to interfere with his usual hour
of dinner. This remissness on the part of their
Lordships furnished a striking contrast to the ac-
tivity of the other House, which was occupied
night after night in the investigation of the mist
laborious details. . In addition to the disadvan-
tages he-had already named, it was to be recol-
lected•that the Session waS.uow drawing fast to
its conclusion, and that business. was still more
likely to be hastened than before in order to
make way for the approa.ching ceremony of the
Coronation. He had also to regret the absence
of a Noble Friend of his (the Marquess of Lans-
down;), who even during the present SesSion had
attended to his Pailiamentary duties until. he
was unavoidably obliged to absent hirtelf. He
had, however, derived one advantage from the
postponement of his motion ; his Majesty's
sisters had never been able to deny the propriety
of adopting a system of economy, but they had
never. expressed themselves so distinctly
.on the
subject before as in a late Resolution of the other
,House, passed with their concurrence, and proba-
bly not without their previous approbation. Though
that Resolution was more complimentary to
the Government than be could have wished, he
regarded ,it with satisfaction as a pledge by which
their future practice might be tried with respect
to the great purposes of economy. His object
in bringing forward the present motion was to
endeavour to impress upon their Lordships, that
notwithstanding the favourable appearances
which some ,branches of..our manufactures had as-
sumed, especially the silk manufacture,• and not-
withstanding the statement which the Chancellor
of .the Exchequer was 'enabled to produces with
respect.to the condition of the Revenue, still the
Agricultural distress Was so great, and the cir-
cumstances of country were, in most instances,
so unfavourable, as to requite some prompt and
effeetive measure of relief. A well regulatO
machine might continue its-motion for some time
after the main Springhad received an injury ; the
mere continuance of motion, therefore, was not a
proof that all its parts were in perfection, nor
that some steps were not required, in order , to
prevent the necessity of resorting at last to some
more difficult and powerful remedy. With a
view to avoid the worst part of the alternative,
he would call upon their 'Lordships to carry. an
Address to the foot of the Throne, recommend-
ing economy in all departments
,of the Govern-
ment, and he would endeavour 'to prove, in sup-
port of-such a motion, that great retrenchments,
were within our reach ; he Would. endeavour to
spew, that the class of his Majesty's subjects
which depended on the soil, and which, without
detracting from the importance of any other,
class, was still the most important, was in a situ-
ation that required something to be done. To
recur to his former figure, he might sayohat that
main spring was beginning to fail, and that no
remedy had been ,yet, applied fOr its improve-
ment. The Committee of the llonse of Commons
had confessed, in itslteport, that they could see
no legislative remedy .for the evils, ,s hose exist-
ence they admitted. in the vressikt year .the
Farmers svkre paying out of. their capital and

credit, and without any profit on their industry.
The Taxes were thus paid ; there was no defalca-
tion in- the Revenue, but it was impossible that
the Farmers could continue to go on for another
year in the same way. He agreed with the Com-
mittee that the distress was not altogether to be
attributed to the taxation, and he anticipated
but little relief from the Repeal of the Agricul-
tural Horse Tax, it would not produce a re-
duction of more than two per cent.; however, as
it was adirect Tax upon Agriculture, it was well
to have got rid of it for the sake of the principle.
At the same time, it was not the direct taxation,
that Presed upon. the Farmer, but the indirect
taxation, which affected him in the' prices of
soap, leather, and other articles of common use,
and in the price of. labour, for which he was
obliged to pay either in the shape of wages or of
Poor Rates. He. hoped :that the period would
never arrive when that House could be charged
with breach 'of faith with.the public creditor, but
it was impossible not to see that we might at last
bedriven to an extremity, in which it would be
diffieUlt-, if not impracticable,to discharge our
engagements. If once that main spring of •the
naiional prosperity, the Agricultural interest,
should fail tO any great extent, no one could say
what' strong measure they might be obliged to
adopt. Their only chance of avoiding such .a
misfortune was by diminishing the expenditure•in
all its -branches. He would not confuse the
House and himself by entering minutely into the
details of the reductions, which in• his opinion
might be effected in the different departments,
but •he hoped he should be able to state enough
to shew that they might economise by millionS.
The first department to which-he would allude
was one to'which he was less inclined to apply
the Principle 'of reductiOn than any other, it the
circumstances of the country would permitthe
choice.' 'Even as it was, if he thotight the pre-
sent establishment necessai y to retain our supe-
riority as a naval power,.he would be one of the
last to propose any reduction of the estimates.
Ile found that the navy, in its present condition,
stood as high as was required to meet the chances of
any 'possible. War, and here it would be uncandid
not to give the Ministers credit for the reductions
.which .had already `taken place in that depart-
ment since the termination of hostilities. We
had at this moment fit for service, 84 sail of the
line, 67 frigates, 22 ordered to be built, and 13
to be repaired.—This was a power 'exeeeding in
amount the united force of the French and Ame-
rican navies, the Frencli.havingbut 5a sail of the
line, and: the Americans 11-. He would not
deny but that if ,Might be: well to keep up
superabundant force, yet, taking into considera-
tiOnthestateof-onr finances, and the difficulty of
manning,the ships in any emergency, .he was of
Opinion, :that without endangering any interest
of the State,. a Material .reduction might take
place; he had heartt that it was in contempla-
tion to discontinue- the -navy yard at Deptford,
for which noless a sum had been voted by Par-
liament •than 141,3091. The..country.Was,..hur-
thened with -an annual charge for timber: and
building materials, with 891,5841: Without. in
the least endangering :her naval-superiority, half
a might be :lopped off from these items
.only. 'Another'jtern referred to..a great national
-work- =which, under more: prosperous circum-
stances, he would not be disposed to limit; lie
alluded. to the basin and dock yard at Sheerness.
The saving which he would propose in the Naval
Department alone, amounted 'to 800,0001, —lll
the Army considerable retrencliments,rnight,still
be made-. The ES tablishnient of Abe . 'Horse
Guards cost the nation 316,0001.,; he would pro-
pose that it should be reduced to 80,000/., which
might be effected without interfering with the
splendour of the Crown. In the Cavalry a Say-
ing.ef 1'20,0001. was practicable, and, upon the
whole eStablishmetit!of the Army, it was not too
much. to say that, two ,millions sterling might be
saved. Even if it was reduced- but one-tenth, the
saving to the public would be 0001. *There
-was another item, the necessity of 'Which he
could not comprehend ; lie sew no reason ,why
'they should go on multiplying barracks through-
out the kingdom ; 260,5001. was to be laid out
for this Purpose, of this 100,0001. might be saved,.
The commissariat might be reduced one-fifth,
and the Army Extraordinaries one-tentlr,• which.
Would make a saving of 700,0001. With respect
to the Ordnance Department, he doubted Wite-
ther he could propose any reduction, -.but he
'thought, that if Ministers were sincere, n their
professions of economy, they might, by the sale
of certain lands and buildings, -now of no 'use,
accomplish a reduction of 100;0001: in the Qrd-
nance Department. The Miscellaneous Services
were 6stbmitedat_two millions
.and a half ; a re-
ductionof only 10 per cent:Wonld'giVe. 250,0001.
He next came' to the Civil List. It was true.
that Royalty ought to be surrounded with splen-
dour, when the prosperity of the country per-
mitted, but, in times of difficulty and distress,
he knew of nothing which could tend More Co
satisfy the people with their condition, than te
See an example of retrenchment set by the highest
person in the State: Queen itnie Pita
.made a
sacrifice to the necessities of .her people, and it
Might.be said of such acts that— •
" They became "
The throned Monarch better than Ms crown,
"

Ile did noi..rnean.to make any invidiotis allusion
'to the a-ppreaching ceremony of the Coronation,
or to his Majesty's intention of visiting any part
of his don-111141ns; but the Civil jeist he thouOlt
might be reduced to I fO,CGOI. The
_expense of
collecting the Revenue might be diminished per-
hapS half n million, and the Whole staject- was
wt .11 deserving of the most serious'Conside;-ation
of Parliament. The Noble Lord cOndiuded, after.

some
,general observations, in which he-s.trOiigly
inculcated the necessity of economy, pr.ticulaily
at the present moment, by moving the folloiving
Address :

"'That a,n hitmble Address bb presented to his Majesty,
praying that he grAcicusly pteased to take into -his
mediate and most serious -consideration' the difficulticA.a.ml 4is,
tresses-of his faithful su'..ijects, and especially of that very fm-
portant description of therh whose wealth and SnbsiAtenci.,
immediately depend on agriculture,- and that his Majewy
be graciously} pleased to gly.esuch directions as to his Majesty's
wisdom 'shall seem eXpedient to diminish'the..pdblic exliendi to rti
in all the great Departments-of the State, both civil and Mili-
tary, as the only effectual means of permanently relieving theL4e.
difficulties and distresses which, if not mintipeilly occaslonciai
are at least materially .agravated by the pressure of ac.curnuiii...,
cd taxation."

The Earl of Llvarteoor. said, he would not
enter into the extensive field of discussion which
the Noble Lord had opened, because many of tilt.:
subiects which he' had brought under their con-
sideration, would individually reqUire a .ichol:.
night's debate ; besides, there were, perhtcpS,
circumstances in his mere situation which dis-
qualified him from 'discharging such a task as he
could Wish. lie lamented as much as any man the
distress of the country, and particularly Of the
agricultural interests.. He agreed in opinion wii?i
the Committee of the other House, that no legis;
lative measure was Capable of affording substan-
tial relief. He would go further, and state, that
by legislating on such subjects, not only 'would
they do no good, but probably much harm. The
agricultural interests undoubtedly laboured under •
great difficulties, but they were not to be laid tO
the account of taxation, for in the other parts of
Europe, and in America, the distress was as
great. In Russia, Poland, and thoSe parts of
Germany which were connected with Poland,
the agricultural distress was much greater, and
in America it was as great as in this' country.
Without entering into particulars, it might be as-
cribed in general terms to the artificial circuth
stances, not of this country, but of the world,
arising from the late war, which affected prOper-
Or in a more extraordinary degree than any othe'r
contest. But it was never to be forgOtten, that
these evils had a tendency to work. their oWn
cure, and that the disadvantage of
Would be to interfere with these causes, and pre-
vent the natural order of things from taking place.
He would allow that economy was the only safe
remedy, as far as it could be safely carried iritb
'eff'ect.; but the Noble Lord did not clo.justice to
the GoVernment for the reductions they had a:-
ready effected. As long ago as 1817, a Cernalls-
sion was established to inquire into the CustOH!,
by Which a saving of 80,000/a a 'Year waF.', effected,
and a saving was in progress of 200,0001. a year
'more.--Upon another subject, which he. Waa;
aware was a most important one, he meant-th'e
Artny. and Navy, he agreed with the:Noble P2:71,
that every reduction ought to be made Which was
Consistent with the safety of the State. But then
the Noble Earl did not always take .practicabi
lity into his calculation in his plan of econoriit.
'lle had summed up;' for instanee, our naval for.ce,
and stated that 81 sail of the line were sufficient
for our naval establishment, without inenrirng
further expellee by building others, and waking
money on dock-yards, Sic. . Now, he (Lord' hi-
verpool) acknowledged that the number of sail
of the line Was suffitient; but then he was nbt-to
Suppose that force could be always stationary.
If he had-referred to accounts which'were epz'n
JO the ins:pection of 'every Noble Lord, he woad
have fOund that the ship-building was necesselfy
to supply the loss by wear and tear, and the'de-
cay: and ruin which ships Were liable 'to when
laid up in dock, .as well as' when employe:-
Like till earthly things, stags Mast 'wear out ;
but if the machine never grew' old. ~ they cooltfdo
without ship-building; as, however, this waa:*l-
- not the case,' there must, as loneas
we had a navy at all, be an expence incurred tly
the -Wasting and' wearing out of -ships. As to
the principle laid down by the Noble Earl, .11S)
perfectly agreed with him,• that 'Whatever touid
be done in the way of reduction ought to be done,
both in 'the Army and Navy ; but in 'his view of
what was praaicable,. he had not taken into air-
. c
••
ount the half-pay and allowanceS arising Mit .bf
a state of qiis, and necessarily fixed for a certain
time on tl-,e country. It avas evident he: didnot
- -,
'recollect hOw great a port of pai.'exppnditur 'Was
'a dead expenditure, and even to an extent Which
athonnted to more than the Whole Weight of our
-peaCe establishment in 179.2. Besides, the increase
of 'pay in the Army and Navy' accounts for another
great piition of our expenditur; ana.howeVer
such things n,iht be left out of view in genetal
theories' of economy, they could' not be dis-
they' could'
pensed; with when we came to , the praCtiae.
Be itOweve'rrePeated,. that what could be done
ought to be dime ; at-0 'he allowed there w4re
specialansd peculiar circainatances in Ole state
of the country whiCh -ou'gbt to induce us to Mate
extraorditiarYefforts.towards reduction.L--(I-leala)
----This he was perfectly ready to allow. An
Address :had been n,;-ree the in th other llo.:ise,
which was an evidence that. 'Government oMere
willing' to'do all in their power to. further the
progress of- economy ;
.and ,he was sure it would
be a Matter of satisfaction to the co : ntry at large,
'that a similar Add r,:.• should be recorded on the
Journals' of that HOuse. The Noble LOrd con-
chided by naeVing; that an humble
.Address be
presented
.to hiS,M:tjeStY; assuring him that the
House- perceived. s:v4h.gieqt
,sakiCaction the
,ge-
neral revision <s Mich had talk' place: in Conse-
•
quiance of his,l”hjelstra cotnr.jnds,in the dePArt-
Meat of the Custo'd'y,and 'the:reductions which
foilowed, and that, they acknowledge 1d5:741r.-
Lsgty,h'tsjgicooirtilsnteitSisi,teadn.ditict•notr. the s,;ll.t.lri4ait
clre..iia.taritn4i)rtys
of the Civil Government, wit h.a vie:i; of reducing
the Inunber of persons- ertiplO,:;ed on accou•nt of
the increase of businesi duringo
the War, as f-di-

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minishing the amount of salaries since 1797; and
praying that his Majesty would direct every
possible saving to be made in all the departments
of the State.
Earl G ROSVENOR said, he had no hesitation in
giving the preference to the Address of his Noble
Friend (Lord Darnley). This was not the first
time their Lordships had heard the Noble Earl
opposite express himself favourable to economy—
he had often heard him repeat verbatim what he
~had' stated' to-night. The Yenr before lasts when
he. (Earl Grosvenor) had the honour to submit a
propoSition to the House for the reduction of our
military establishments, the Noble Earl had ex- :
pressed himself in a similar manner, but said that
...peculiar circumstances rendered their continua-
** tien,necessary. We were now in the seventh
lear.'of peace, and now for the first time we
• were told that we might look forward to some
retrenchment. He was surprised the Noble
Varl Was not disposed to meet his Noble Friend
•oti the- question of the army, navy, or ordnance.
It was the constant practice of that Noble
When the distresses of the country were
mentioned, to draw a comparison between the
State of America, Poland, and others, but he
fiat] :forgotten to look to France, Indeed he. had
-not gone the length of saying' that France was
in thiS distreised state; and what was the
iiiferenCe to'•be drawn from this ? Why, that
we, the conquering country, would wish to
change condition with_ France. the conquered
country.—But it by no means followed that be-
cause America and Poland .were distressed, that
therefore we should take no steps to remove our
burdens. We should leave no means untried to
reduce our expenditure, we should become a
nation of parsimony and not of prodigality. The
Noble Lord then entered into the state of the
National Debt. He could by no means agree
lVith the Noble Lord opposite that a diminution,
such as be had described, had taken place; in-
stead- of that, he thought we had increased our
debt 107 millions. With respect to Sinking
Funds, he was by no means opposed to them,
provided a bona fide excess had appeared above
our expenditure. With respect to the approach-
ing ceremony which had been alluded to, he
'thought it quite unnecessary. They had all
_
taken the oaths of allegiance to his Majesty. It
could answer no purpose; it was a most unne-
cessary expence; but still more, he thought it a
most injudicious one, and lie thought it was a most
injudicious advice for the servants of the Crown
.to recommend this ceremony under the present
circumstances, No matter what the law of the
case might be—supposing it to be quite clear on
the subject—supposing that her Majesty had
tio right to participate in the ceremony, still;
as a matter of grace and favour, it was a
most injudicious advice to exclude her. And let
them not think the law quite clear, nor, depend
too much upon the only precedent, that of
Henry VII., because it was at that time appre-
hended that the Marriage of Henry to his Queen,
Elizabeth, had taken place before the Corona-
tion, whereas it did not occur until after the
ceremony. He thought the Coronation .could
only be agreeable, inasmuch as it accorded
with the wishes of the people ; and unless it was
unaccompanied by any alloy—unless churchmen
could view it with Christian benevolence and dis-
interested zeal, and historians record it in terms
of high eloquence—unless the Poet Laureat
could describe it in the enthusiastic strains of
:national feeling, and not in the language of ser-
vile flattery—unless he could paint it in the
glowing colourS of a national festivity, " in
thoughts that breathe and words that burn," it
never should take place. But what he deplored
most of all was a report that had gone abroad
that the ceremony was to be attended by the
military. He could not conceive a greater insult
to the Sovereign than to exclude his subjects from
the splendid spectacle by files of troops. It was
not thrOugh soldiers, but through his subjerts,
that his Majesty 'should proceed to have the
Crown- 'placed on his head at the altar of his
God. If it. were necessary for public security
that soldiers should adorn thiS splendid cere-
mony; let them 'be so arranged as not to exclude
the people from the sight of their Sovereign.
tOrd MELVILLE did not Mean to follow the
various topics which had just been introduced to
their Lordships'_ attention, because nine-tenths
of them had no allusion whatever to the motion
of the Noble Earl. The only topic which was
properly before the House, was that of the
Public Expenditure, which, it was contended;
might be diminished, under several heads of the
present Estimates. It was admitted, and it
could not be denied, that 'considerable diminu-
'Cons had been made in. the expences of the cur-
rent year, and,, in. his opinion; those reductions
were carried as far as was compatible with the
safety of the State. • There was one head upon
which the necessity of further reduction had
been insisted on+ to which he would shortly ad-
vert. It related to the .extent of naval force,
which this country ought to maintain in time of
peace.. Eighty-four ships of the line were stat-
ed to be a sufficient force, for the present cir.
ria cutances in which we were situated. NoW
from that proposition he must altogether 'dissent..
Of such a force as that, little more than 40 sail
could be depended upon as durable ships. He
was sorryl6 say, that from negligence and other
unavoidable circumstances in the- late war, a-
gre4.portion of Our 'vessels were not so durable

as to warrant a reduction to the extent proposed.
He was not prepared. to say that further reduc-
tions might not be made to a certain extent.
lie was of opinion that after arriving at a state of
repose, which he hoped was riot far distant, the
naval expenditure of the country could with
safety be very considerably reduced: They had
done something this year, and iu the next he had
no doubt they should do more. What that would
be he could not then say, but that it would be
something considerable' he could assure their
Lordships with the greatest confidence. After a
few remarks upon the nature of the works at
Sheerness, and the clothing used for the navy
his Lordship concluded by observing that he
should not trespass farther upon•the time of the
ilotisethe more especially because the larger por
tion of tvhat had fallen from the Noble Earl who
spokel.a.stotas totally, irrelevant to the. uestion.;

The Earl of CAMNARVON preferred the Address
proposed .by his Noble Friend (Lord Darnley.)
In that House Ministers were their own panegy-
rists, but in the other House they got a friend
to praise them. The reason-of this was, proba-
bly, that on a former occasion the task had been
intrusted to a Noble Lord, who introduced into
the Address some expressions not very pleasing
to Ministers, and therefore they thought it more
safe not to intrust it out of their own hands again.
It was much to be lamented that at a period when
one would have thought the country had arrived
at the maximum of distress, that now we were
beginning with a fresh evil : he alluded to the
change of the currency. The Noble Lord then
dwelt at some length upon the evils that had al-
ready and were likely to result,. and said if we
did not . retrace our steps, or make a re-
duction in the taxes equal to the evil created,
the distresses of the country would be increased
tenfold. If we looked to the extent of the agri-
cultural distress, what must we expect but a de-
graded and impoverished aristocracy? He did not
apply that term to their Lordships only, but to
the great landed proprietors, who, leagued toge-
ther in one indissoluble league, had raised the
country to its greatness ; and let the monied in-
terest rise as it might, they were citizens of the
world, and it was to the hereditary possessors of
the soil we must look_ for the support of the
throne and the country.
Lord CALTIIORPE could not help thinking
that, after the candid and satisfactory manner in
which the question had been met by the Noble
Earl at the Head', of • the Treasury, his Noble
Friend must feel anti his object had been ob-
tained, and that consequently he would not press
his motion to a division. Although his Noble
Friend might not cordially agree to all the language
of the amended Address, Yet did hope that in
effect he would be-diSposed to give it his assent.
For himself, he had great satisfaction in support-
ing the Address proposed to be substituted by
the Noble Earl.

Earl DARNLEY briefly replied, and expressed
his intention not to press the original motion.
The amended Address was then agreed to. '.
IRISH COURT OF EQUITY REGULATION BILL.
Lord SIDIVIOUTII moved that the Committee
upon the above Bill be postponed to that day
three months.—After a few words from the Loki)
CHANCELLOR and Lord KING, the motion was
agreed to.—Adjourned.