The Sun.
London, England, 1819-10-06 00:00:00

MANCHESTER, OCT. 4.

This day Edward Meagher, one of the Trorpa
peters of the Manchester Yeomanry Cavalry, anti
who was on Saturday night, or early on Sunda".
morning, take+► to the New Barley, nu a charge of
having fired a pistol-shot at some persons in
Den tisgate, and • thereby wounded two persons,
was brought up for examination before the Sitting
Magistrates, MP. WRIGHT and the Reverend NV.
ETHELSTON. The Court was extremely crowded.
On the prisoner being brought into Court, Mr.
Miltre, the Magistrates' Clerk, enquired if the
persons who were wounded attended to make-any
chArge against the prisoner,
Mr. ATKINSON (a Solicitor).—l attend here on
behalf of the persons who were wounded, ►o make.
a very serious charge against the prisoner, being
'nothing less than a capital offeme.—The object
of my attendance to-day is for the purpose of get-
ting this matter adjourned, as (he patties them-
selves are not able to attend, in consequence of
the wounds ; and I shall call evidence before you
to show stalicient.cause detaining this man.
James Clarke being sworn, said, " As I was sitting in my
oWn house on Sat urdvey night, bet ween twelve and one o'clock,
I heard the report or a pistol, I went into lleansgate, and
saw a flash, and heard the report of another pistol fired front
the prisoner's window. Not supposing that they Were loaded.
with ball, I went towards the prisoner's house, and was sou❑
undeceived, as I saw a man in the arms of four or flee other.,
Who said he bad been wounded by a hall front one of tin:
shunts. The Watch and Ward then came, and a stone them
came thr(mor the prisoner's room window and brohe a lamp
on the opposite side of the street."
Mr. Wright—Was you there at first ?—I was not there at
first. The Watch and Ward asked who had fired ? He said
he did.
Mr. Wright—What voice said he did ?—lt was the pri-
soner said he did ; lie was in his shirt-sleeves, and had a dark
waistcoat on, and was leaning through the window; lie would
bare said something rave, but the bustle was so great then,
that we could not hear him.
Mr. Wright—Did you know the prisoner before did,
and I bare known hitu more than four or five months."
Mr. Atkinson—Are you enabled,from knowing hin► before,
to swear that he is the man ?—I can swear to lint ; he was
leaning through the window, and it being moon-light I could
see him very %tell. His is a corner house in Deansgate.
Mr. Ethelston—How near was you to the Watch and Ward?
I was standing with them.

Thomas JoCies biirigsT;orn, said " Between twelve and one
o'clock on Saturday, 1 was going house op Ih•ansgate, and met
my brother and four-or five, others. Near the end of Back
Queen-street I saw a pistol fired from a garret window, and
then another: I c:sn't say whether the first took effect, but
the second wounded my brother in the thigh; I went up,
being at the time about five yards behind, and saw my ht,,-
ther, he said he seas wounded in the thigh; I felt, and confd
feel the ball, and I found the wound bleeditT much. My
brother's name is Joseph Jones."
Mr. Ethelston—Did any thing happen before you got up,
or did you hear any thing said by the snub?--Nothing hap-
pened before the fit e. The street was very quiet. We beard
nothing said by the mob, but some one before us said, '' yoti
d-----d Irish scamp, get in." •
• Mr. Wright—You have given sufficient evidence for us to
remand. Prisoner, would you say any thing, you hear what
is said

Pi.isuner—Yes, I hear what is said.
Nit. Wright—Have you any friends here—any professional
adviser?

Mr. Milna—l believe be is not prepared, and wishes it post-
poned.
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Mr. Wright--,--He must be remanded.
Mr. Atkinson—To what tine?
Mr. V'right—l don't know whe❑ you will be ready. Per•
halls to-morrow.

Mr. Atkinson—That will scarcely give us sufficient time.
I have taken what depositions I have in great haste.
Mr. Milne—Depositions! If there are any deposition
against this man, they must be taken by we.
Mr. Atkinson—Yes,.Sir; but allow me to take my own ex-
aminations.

Mr. Wright—l can't say when we should adjourn to. We
have had no evidence of the state of the wourids.
Mr. Atkinson—l understand they are considered dan-
gerous.

- Mr. Jon. AndreW (one of the constables)--I yesterday eventto the Infirmary, and saw the house-surgeon. tie stated to
we that the men were coming on very well, and that there
was no danger. 1 have this morning. sent again, and mu. in-
formed that they ate still going on very well, and that there
is not the least danger.

Mr. Wright—lt must stand over until Saturday. Prisoner
yon are remanded until Saturday.
The prisoner is a tall thin man, of dark complexion, and is
by trade a tailor. Several Members ot the Yeomanry Corps
were in attendance; and two of them, Mr. ‘Vithington and
Mr. Whitlow, were on the Bench..

. Monday, Two o'Clock.—l presented myself this
mork,ing the Infirmary, and was received by the
house-surgeon in :a very gentlemanly 'winner,
who conducted me to. see Robinson and .Jones,
the two persons wounded by Meagher by pistol
shots on Saturday evening last. I found Jones itt
apparent great , pain, attended with some, degree
of lever; a Hush appearing on his countenance.
Robinson looks very pale, and complained of
much pain from his wound. The' surgeon_ assured
me that they were not dangerous ; hot st dl, nom
the symptoms usually attendant on gtm•shot
wounds, it would be very imprudent to remove
the /nen, at present, I,..give their evidence agitlll6C
Meagher.—(Morning Chronicle )

A troop of the 15th Regiment of Hussars,
which has been stationed in this town for sonic
time, was yesterd.iy replaced by two troops of the
7th Dragoon Guards. It is due to the former to
state, that during their continuance here, both
officers and men conducted themselves in a man-
ner that secured- the esteem and approbation of
theinhabitants.—(Preston Chronicle.)
Major-General Sir T. BRADFORD, K.C.B. has
taken the command of the forces in Scotland, to
which he was recently appointed, and Sir ED-
WARD PAGET has assumed the command of the
Garrison of Dublin, instead of Lord FORBES.

CHILD DnoPPOG.—Yesterday a fine female
infant, abOut five.'weelts old, Was found lying in
one of the private boxes of the shop of Mr.
Pcart, pawnbroker, in Whitecliapel-road, it was
taken to the workhouse.'

INQUEST ON• JOHN LEES.

OLDHAM, OCT. 4.-(FIFTH DAY.)

> (From The Times.).
At 9 o'clock the Jury answered to their names,
and the regular business was expected. t.) begin.
Mr, ASHWORTH and Mr. BARROW appeared.

' Coroner-ls-any person here for The Times?
• Mr. Evans.—(After some pause.)—l am here
for The Times. , ,

Coroner—No, but some new one ?
No reply was made. A gentleman who yval
§een for the first time at the table to-day was
asked his name and his' intention,- hut declined to
mention either, and was-enjoined not to take
noes.

Coroner—rshall have more command in this
Court than .1 have hitherto, exercised. Mr.
Harmer, ybu attend bere-neitherfor.the deceased,
nor for the public. You have introduced your-
self officiot&yi have. it front your own mouth
that you came to thiS place Whitt:tut any invi-
tation-.

Mr. Haws said, this apPeared very extra-
ordinary in the present stage.
Mr. Ashworth—To set us right as to - our
course, he would state the result of his experience
as a barrister, and experience applied to the par-
ticular points before them. •
Corbner—lt you please.
Ashworth7—The law in Zondon, we are
•
tohl,.is
.of a superior quality.
Mr. Harmer-1 did not say so.
Mr. Ashworth—l will have no altercation. 1
mentioned no individualp. It•does not become a
court olittstice to suffer any altercation. I know
no perion here'but such as Arninulgates doctrines
inch can be replied to. I objected to evidence
which was not tegolar., God knows how much I
lament the intlaneholYconscine"tices of what took
place here on Wednesday last. The giving of
names of persons
,accused of the foul crime of Mur-
der agitates, dipAtirbsi:and 'dOroys the chain—
the links which hind the tame'of society', and pros
friends' And relations in fear of losing their' lives.
attend for those Who employed me ; but, al-
though- I appear in a professional character, no
personal consideration shall deter me trod doing
my duty: 1 may be pointed ant for destruction
for appearing here ; but if I should die on the
spot, I shall discharge my' duty. When I was
prevented from attending, not from (Ili easevivhich
afterwards prevent me, hut from being
confi.ied, I was told by
~the g'entleman
who at.,
tended here for me, that it had been statCd i:1

ibis: Court that the laWs of this' cOtinrry:were not
for all the country.' We iwor ide'ots in the coun-
try are not to he tint in comparison with the ora-
cles of London. The doctrine laid tfown was,
that every man who that: day-concurred in dis-
persing the meeting was platy ut the death blithe
deceased. Thls doctrine is false in conimon law,
in common sense, or common justice.
The Coroner bete asked the gentleman whom
he before addressed, whether he was taking ante..
lie begged to be informed for what purpo,c that
rpiestion was aiked. The Coroner said, I have a
private purpose; I lis've a purpose of my own.
ge,ntit_man'declinvd giving, any „i,1.:. Then
ytitt trust leave the Court. The gentleman asked'
Wharevidtnee .he'hai! of his taking notes. Mr.
the CorOaer had the power
,of
preventing notes, from being taken, wi;hout
assigning; any reason. -The, gentleman rentarked,.j
that in 'taking notes in that Court, he was ex-.,
• .
ercising as undisputed a right as in walking the'
high breathing' the common air. The
giving of et.itlence'in that Court was a publication.
Whatever is said in a public Court is already /nib-,
lished;.:atid-how can a inianal be. restrained trom.
publising what has been ,already published ?
The Coroner ordered a constable to take the gen...,
tleman away. A constable-Kently-tottched him on
the .shoulder, The gentleman remarked that the,l
authority exercised was illegal. The name of,thel

• ronStoble %VHS given Joseph. Chadwick, but the
Coronet --in*isted that Ole name ought not to bare.
been given, as the gentleman had not given his
own name. Some contention then arose as to
• the publicity of the ;Court, and the power of the
Coronet The Coroner said, itihe gentleman did not
obey, he would be tenoved by force. The gen-
tleman observed, that be was therefor 00J ourna list ,
end asked what was done to those whose tier
works enabled Went Co report all that passed. Mr.
Ashworth said the laW':,,vas ripen to him. He. had
had an opil!ion that there wag no rigLt to take notes
cw:trary to the iojunction of the Contr.
gentleman asked ws.y he was selected while oth6i
took not es.

A;zuwoßTH said, they were professionally
employed. The Coronet`' i;' determined to pre.-
vent notes I►ein;; taken, .and requires attention!to
leis dirt.et ions. The get►tlertiwn theti said, "
I be Illowed- to retnaitf? 1 .lrron►ise I -shall take
no notes." The .:;orottee ~iranted this request,
or► condition of getting his name and addreis,
"which were glrett..
At this ton' 'lit

ano

me tier 'gentleman, whose ap-
pearance in the room evidently had occasioned the
first iiigifiry to-day respecting The Times, stood,
iatid begged to be allo.ted to oh,erve, that the
publieat on of the evidence 'Might be punished if
it was illegal ; but that it wgs contrary•to law, to
the vary spirit of law,- wad- to the practice of our
Courts, to turbid using one's hand in noting what
took place.
Coroner—And who are you, Sir ?
I am conoecied with The'Times.
Coroner—Why, then, I shall hear nothing you
have to say.
you surely proceed upon the ordinary
principles of law and justice.'
Coroner—You were the
.first to publish.

Mr. Ashworth—The Coroner was exclnsively
judge of what was evidence, of what evidence
inWit io be received ; and lie was responsible for
any illegality committed. When there was an
ei)d- of then he and all were oticlaw, anal
lidble to 1.).-e cut down by any who met them.

Corouer—Mr. liogs, are you taking notes ?,
MI. Ross—You told me that my %void was not
to bv britevert.; therefore, I answer no more.
C.rt.fler-1 restrain you from writing.
vi r, floss continued to write.)

Corotier—(llavina6 been repeatedly pressed by
tht inrsons around his table.) Are you still

writing, Mr. Itms ?—(No answer.)-1 desire
you to desist ; you will he removed out of Coort
if you continue to write. (After a considerable
interral,) Constables, take I►iu) out.
_

•[Here aconstable touched Mr. Ross's klipulder,
but he was immovable, an►l_ wrote on ; a second
and third tut: were given, and frequent admoni-
tions, but to no effect. The culprit 'seemed in-
sensible to all, this bustle.] • •
Mr. Ashworth—Can't you give a pledge ?
Mr. Ross—it has been refused. My word is
not to be believed. •

Corimer—Mr. -Ross, you treat me con-
temptnonsly—you toast be remove►!. . 7

The Gentleman who before stated himself to IA e
ronnected with The' imes here urged, that the
14,,arned Gentleman (\Jr. Ashworth), he should
twpe, ‘vould he anxious that his observations
tin ht be correctly taken. The Learned Gentle-
man considers the law as he lays it down, most
important. (or the correction ~f what he calls the
erroneous law of the other site put it there-
fore to him whether he tvould not wish to see his
doctrines fairly and distinctly deaCtibed to the
puhlic.
Coroner—There is no chance of fairness in The
Times.

The Gentleman replied, tl►at he disclaimed this
impot a't ion on that Journal with the utmost indig-
nation ; nor could he conceive that the power of
Cproner extended to the cafting•of Such re-
proaches on respectable and honourable men.

Coroner—Sir, 1 will not be replied to. Co►►-.
stable, .take away this Gentleman as well as Mr.
Ross.

The Gentleman (to the Const;....)---I
”,ith you presently. (To the C“‘oner.) I should
hope, Sir, that brine you'shot my mouth you
will hear out the ve►y little] have to say.

Coroner-71 cannot he interrupted. i will not.
Here, Iwill,adjourn the Court directly. [He ac-
cordingly rose up, to adjourn the Coln.]

The:Gentleman—Nslrwish,to say but Otte word,
my interruption can hardly be a sufficient reason
for adjourning the Court.
The Coroner sat down. The etuistable went
away with 111r.13.055, but'did not conic again to
the second gentleman. The Coroner; however,
renrawkeel, that the present speaker:had. not been,
spoken to by the Court, ,and that be, therefore,
had no right to make an observation.
Answer—Mr. Coroner, you addresSed and pro-
ceeded to order out of Court a gentleman, who,
as 'tell as myself,,is connected, with The Times
.newspaper ;. and it was: on
.this ground 'that I
ventured ,tu_present my elf to your notice. I
am conviliced, Sir, and have. no I)esitarion itt
avowiog,pot withstanding the unfair motives whin
you impute to others, that your owt- object is
lair one, and that you
:want
.nothing hu,t justice.
Now I would askyou, wbethcr that end is more
likely to be att;tined by such an imperfect report
,pt the proceedings as memory can supply, than by
a full transcript of.notes taken on the spot ?
Coroner—Sir, I have already said that l'probi-
hit , note-taking. I have the, power, and I will
Answerrn-Soppose that you bad the power,
which I do not believe,—,
Mr: Ashworth---The Coroner has undoubtedly
the power ; the first opinions have_ been taken,
and I pledge my o%yrt opinion
.professionally as a
barrister• to the saute Point. . •
Acsvytir—Well, Sir, I am not in a situation to
dispute that point will) you; but as you have
done me.the honour to address ore, 1 ask you for
your profes)jonal judgment on the other point,
whether, granting the power_ to prevent note-
.taking,.spell•arestraiot is wise, or calculated to
do good,.it being, as I, have stated, impossible-to.
:give so correct a report front memory as from
notes.,

Mr. Ashworth—You know.that it is even said,
that reports should not be published at all, at least-
till final proceedings are had.

Answer—Allowing that, Sir, will not the ad-
ditional lapse of time make it still more neces-
sary to publish from notes rather than froM me-
mory ?
Mr. Ashworth-1 really conceive I have nothing
to do with a question which is between the CO-
roner and you ; he has the power ;.,and it is your
business, as it .is mine, to submit here to his de-
(:11055.
'The politeneSs .and the ;apparent tone of regret
at what had taken place, which accompanied this.
rentatk,.prevented the person addressed from ask-
ing wby Mr. Ashworth, it he bad nothing to do
with the question, had interfered 'with his opi-
nion : the Gentleman spoke, however, to the Co-
-toner mice. more. Allot' me,,,Mr. Coroner, to
.repeat my very short observation ; lagain appeal
to yon,.• whether the ends of juStice arc mote
likely to he attained by an imperfect report from
memory, or;,by4Otill distinct traliseriPt from notes
,
written at the,litne. -
The• Coroner, like, Mr. Ashworth, had the ap-
.
pearaitce of regretting the prolt.ibition, but did not •
see lic..tv he could well retract ;' he hesitated for a
Trtimitei.and then said, J have !akin opinions
on the subject ; I have the power,. and I must re-
strain note-ta4ing."
,The gentleman, feeling that fit would he impro-
per to interrupt business anyftrther, bowed but
remained in Court. Mr. Ashwbrth then pro-
ceeded with his speech, to which Mr, Ilariner re-
plied, and the witnesses were then called.

From' the Moridwg Chronicle.]
James Mills was t he'tirst witness examined.—l am a batter,
and reside in Oldbarn:7 Have been in John Lees's company
once. Was not at the MancheSter Meeting on the 16th Au-
gust. Saw Lees at the WeSt Wood Inn about twelve o'clock
at night, who wag there with some other company. Was with
Lees about a quarter of pie hour. I left .him there. lie com-
plained very much tif.his wounds, particularly of one. on his
elbow; said he lead received another on his left shoulder.
Lees was not drniik, hot rather fresh, as it appeared to him.
Was not long in his company. Lees appeared much as usual.-
Lees told witness he had been at the Manchester Meeting.
Did not think he Was in danger. His conduct was such as
might become-a person who had received a wound likely to
cause his death ; but he did not appear like a man likely to
die. He complained very ['meth—Some persion rather slight-
ed his wound, and he'replied sharply. Lees told him that be
had been at a wake at Middleton, and that he had had some
sharp words with some persons there.
Dr. Simmons being called, the evidencepf Mr. Basnett and
Mr. Cox was read over to him, and he detlared that from all
that he had heard, the injuries which. the deceased had re-
ceived on the 16th of August, were Not, and could not, have
been the cause of his death.—llere the Doctor, who said he
had been Surgeon to the Manchester Infirmary for 27 )'ears,
entered into -a long. medical dissertation to illustrate and en-
force the justice'of his opinion. Tins dissertation occupied
the Court for nearly two hours.

rt to a qneStlon fro a Juror, whether, although the
Wounds eP2y m
lthe deceased were nut sufficient to produce death,
they might not have been the cause of the disease which occa-
sioned his death, the Dr. answered in the negative, adding,
that Lees had, befm'e his death, recovered frunvall the clan-
i;erotts consequences of his wounds.
By the Foreman—Yon have stated, that if the deceased had
received ten times as much injury, as he had received, be
would not have died of that injury. Now, what injury did
he receive?

Witnesss--I only speak from the circumstances, as they have
been stated by Messrs. Basnett and Cox.
By Mr. Kay—Do you mean to say that bruises received on
the sides of a man might nut produce his death at the expira-
tion of Ihree: weeks•?

Witness—They could not ; he could not survive so long.
Mr. Harmer askyd whether Mr. Cox who had seen the body
internally, and' r. Basnett who had examined it externally,
were likely to form a more correct judgment than the witness
who had not seen the body at all ?
Witness—l may, without arrogance, say, that from my
more extended practice and longer experience, I am more
likely to form a correct judgment than the. Gentlemen
alluded to.

Mary Fletcher, the sweetheatt of John Lees, saw him after
he was cut. It was on the 21st Angust. I was with hint
about a quarter of an hour. I saw aim again on the Mon-
day night before died. He was in bed. He did not kuow
me, nor speak to me. I saw him on the I.lth of August, and
he was in perfect good health and spirits. On the 21st Au-
gust he complained of his arm beiug very ill cut, mid he said
nothing else.
John Whitaker—l saw Lees on his return from Manches-
ter,. when he complained of being severely wounded. I saw
him also on the Wednesday before his death, and he looked
extremely ill. He •was in excellent health before the Man-
chester Meeting.
-Joseph Clegg deposed to -having seen the deceased on the
22d of August, which was the Wake time, at Middleton.—
Was in company
,with him in two public-horses, when de-
ceased drank some malt liquor, but appeared very dejected.
Anne Jones-alive in Windmill-street, Manchester, with-
in 4u yards of the .hustings. I saw the Cavalry cutting and
slashing men ott their way to the hustings. After -getting to"
the hustings, they turned their horses round, and rode beer the
people in-all directions, still cutting and slashing, A. number
of wounded persons were taken into my house. I saw one of
the Cavalry strike a woman Rod draw blood. I was folly
employed in pulling people into my house, in order to save
their tires. I saw a peat quantity of blood on the field, near
the tlace. where the Hustingi had stoasl. One of the special
constables cattle into toy house,- and with great triumph, ex-
claimed, " this is Waterloo for you-41is is Waterloo !” The
soldiers whom I saw cutting, I knew to lad the Manchester
Yeomanry, from my acquaintance with their dress. The peo-•
pies, in peat crowds, were getting away as fast as they could.
I took toit.iy into toy house. The rail in front of Inv house
brokie down from the pressure of the crowd, occasioned by
the .cutting of the cavalry, and a woman fell down, and was
,talseit up bead. .
John Jones, the husband of the last witness, corroborated
all his wife's testimony, adding that he saw Air: Withingtina
and Mr. llowliet , who were two of the Manchegicr Yeirmatsry,
:cutting at every one they.could reach. An officer, apparently
of the regular army, came up, and shaking his sword, cried
oat, '' For shame ! for shame ! Gentlemen ; forbear !- forbear !
• the people-cannot getaway." From his window he saw the
people lying in the area °tie upon the other, and when taken
out they appeared black iii the face as if strangled.—Withing-
tori and thou-tier continued cutting at the people .while they
-*ere groaning' mill screaming from the pressure upon each
other; and imploring for mercy. To one poor man be gave a
bow! of water, and whilst lie seas drinking, a Special Con-
stable canoe up and knocked it out of his hand.
At •a quarter before six the Court adjourned till nine to.
morrine woraiug.. •

,ADJOURNED JNQUEST.on Ike BODY of DALTON, at the
COACH and HORSES, DEANSCi ATE, MANCHESTER.

IIAN;CIOST,EII.,: OCT. 4.-At 12 o'clock, Mr,
.Millte appeared and called over the Jury, when
some, being absent, he•entered into a desultory
comet:prior) with our. Reporter, and a Gentleman
trok9.Tlie Times, declatiugthat no person should
take .notes in his presence, , The propriety 0f,a14
lowing a free impartial account going torth'to the
.public, through the Public Journals, in preference
ta.the partial accounts of individuals who might
be present, was urged in every possible,w4; Mr.
M„ however, interdicted it in these terms—" If
any Gentleman, after this order, shall proceed to
take notes, I shall command him to be turned out
of the room." •
Jut ym4n—Really, Sir, the,re can be no objec-
tion to persons taking notes ; it has been a citn-
stant practice in London tied elsewhere, and my
opinion is, that it should he allowed.
Coroner—l do not care ; I shall adhere to my
determination. I have orders from a superior au-
thority in London, and if I do not act upon that
authority, I shall be blamed for neglect °Canty.
Reporter—Sir, it I pledge my word and honour
not .to publish any thing until the Inquest is
,finished, will you allow me ?
CoronerNo„ Sir, Ido not wish but to treat
you in a gentlemanly manner, but I must and
will prohibit all notes from being
_taken here ;
and as my sole aim is a fair investigation of any
case that may cnme before me, I shall adjourn
this Inquest until,Thursday next, at 11,O'clnek,
when) trust all parties will be able to attend, se-
veral of the witnesses being absent, and also Mr.
Harmer, who I understand is engaged at 'Oldham
to-day, my only. wish being that both sides shall
have ,a fair "tearing. But there is one: Witness
whose examination I shall now take, he being a
non-resident, of. course cannot be from busi-
ness so long, and if he is wanted, .we can take his
address and send for him. The, deposition nas
then read and sworn.to, and the Court adjourned
until Thursday.—(lbid.)

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