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and favour, they Mist take into their ctihsidera-
tion what her Majesty's character was, and this
must be expected -to- influende their-proceedings.
He called upon them to look at what had been
done in the case of the Duke of CUmberland.
It was most unjust for the House to give him less
than they gave to the other Members of the
.1-tayal Family, if character was to stand for
.nothing. It was true that the late Queen dis-
approved of his marriage, but this proved nothing
against him, yet the House, acting on the uafa-
vourable impression created agaiii4t that indivi-
dual, had refused to put him in the same situation.
in which the other Members of the Royal Fa
lady had been placed. In his opinion enough'
na(,.! been proved 'against the Queen, to make her
i4t to be pointed out as a mark of grace and
hl.y°"r• This was pressed.still more strongly on i
by the public acts to which her Majesty,
•the influence of bad advisers, had lent
herself since her arrival in England, and by the
auswers which she had given to the Addresses
carved up to her, in which she had been made
to revile and endeavour to. throw discredit on.
111 the institutions of the country. To him
it
appeared that what had been done with respect
to the Liturgy was perfectly legal, and he was
riot disposed now to call upon the Crown to
alter it.
air.'Wir.nraroacE had not had an oppor
of expressing his sentiments on a former
night, but they were in effect the same as those
delivered by his Hon. and Learned Friend be-
-1-0,1 ;. and Wbatever there might he to regret
la the case of the Queen, he saw nothing in the
'conduct of Rlinisters to call for condemnation ;
'tut, on the contrary, having a most difficult and
de.licate sk to perform, having but a choice of
.„"1,1s) legalought their actions marked by mode-
' 'atwu and integrity. If he were called to de-
Irer teruline on the legality or illegality of striking
Majesty's name out of the Liturgy, he should
Bay, this furnished a -new instance of the 416-
riou:s uncertainty of law, 'heard so much. of which they had all
Though he much admired the
i'lgenious and forcible argument of the Hon. and
Learned Member for Oxford, yet when he came
to hear what was urged on the other side, he
bas-left in doubt ; and at last on that subject he
d nO very firm opinion. It was true that it
*was a very different question, whether it had been
n-lexpeclient.to strike it out in the first instance,
and whether it would now be expedient that it
should be put in again. Ile could not but
considerthat the Queen had been very badly ad,
l'ised; when she was led to adopt those senti-
ments and-declarations which. had been sent forth
tfher name, and which were so different from
fise comprehended in the answer which she
given to the Address of that House. Those
°Pinions which she had subsequently expressed
iwere decidedly at variance with those which she
;ad avowed on the 'occasion to which he had al-
rb,uded, and were at,the
,same time, hostile to and
versive of the Constitution
.of the Country.
11 his the
these were most unwisely taken,l,PlaS be could not but consider them as equally
ti"s Y"ouourable to her and injurious to the coun-
eni. It. Was, however, but fair to say, it was
°T. this occasion that they ought to be punish-
i wondered that some of the letters to
jpet-:' fie had referred had not become She sub:
4,,;°1 proecutiou_ when they appeared in the
this ~tl'Pers. But it was, not for that House on
Slot co ea.:i.oll to take notice of' them, and he did
,t° bear ,Th'v," that they ought at all to be allowed
- the present question. He was anxious
the tb, Mori,, brought forward as it had beCtri
'Ptrit of. coei'iliation, should be carried..
of Was th •
then, slruus of this, not so much an account
.li
kineerei °e,ori as on account of the Country. e
fro felt that the exclusion of her Majesty's
°f r° the Liturgy exposed the_ great bulk
1„,
to the "'it meaning part of the community more
etier,ri is hacks. of bad men, than they vvould
vise I,
3fliOiSt be exposed to them. He knew that
.ceniarers.Sometimes took their stand upon a par,
fused Point, and having made a declaration, re-
there tto u"tnake it. But in his view- of the subject
the :'ever was a question on which it was less
,r,,l,.t.errnltiYila(t).f Government to adhere to their, first
their• ion than it was in the present instance.
Litur ' inserting the name of the Queen in the
stancegsY was an act that would circum7
tensi the ramilications'of which would he ex,
tle„ tnvel he could, in that case, understand why a
pear(n4 d ,se their stand. he-re; but to him it an-
Store'd ' that when the Queen's name was re,
mgr, 4-`4 the People wished it to be,
_there was
hie as eto follow. This seems the more desire-
"hieli tit
.PerhaPs, there never vas a question on
jrp the
coe most honest and well disposed persons
The Q "trY entertained such different opinions.
for as eneell being already. substantially prayed
3ronolitincer " the Royal' Family," he thought it
ts the br, leave out her name-in the Liturgy,
".,145esii(),l'ie considered that by the, omission her
j"k til."?s insulted. The bulk of the_people
Pray tf'S 144, that at all events she ought to
64°r by name, as if she were site}, as
n need
ih.'ere'i 'en represented to be, she -stood. the
tip tf,at `` of being prayed for. He was anx-
'"'4l name should be-restored, that pole-
rac-Ps ofinr4s 11-light no longer, be carried to
-41;hei.
mend
worship-, where heretofore
tied irie4intl better thoughts were indulged,
and in could enjoy 'a respite from - the low
freau °ter cOnsiderations which were but too
If 'ttentY Pressed on their attention-elsewhere.
pie _e_b,,arne were still excluded,' the peo-
Th:n
.°Oll Ri.,!.11 regard her. Majesty as insulted.
%i as the -feeling the people would have, and
I:os.t'os,°r.autlido.nbeofil, loinete.sAitt ae
jn :sot
y's name t,
ot that
Liturgyn t h
restenn not at first put an end to their political
exe.°-lents,. He. knew that for a time it would,
:ldite tile lad passions of men, and that they.
exult in the triumph gained ; but this
Would
uld be hut for
• short time, for those who
,r?? Id. feel thus were much of"Cliurcb goers.
to jus measure, therefore, would be likely 'soar]
t° be
rPslore that tranquillity which was so ranch
.li," be desired. Nor did he think that to restore
~ue name, under all the circumstances of the
_s--4:3-e, would be unpleasant to the King, who
%%multi probably glory in sacrificing hip; oxen per:
tonal feellngs to the peace and tranquillity of his-
The interests of the Church Establith--

rnent, 'rom which the io-linti'y had derived so
much benefit; and ,which, as the depository of
religious truth, deserve-4o much reverence and
care, would be best consulted by Caking the
courS'e which he had ventured to recommend, and
he therefore trusted, that because it had been once
adopted,• Ministers would not feel themselves
trOund to adhere to the resolution they had come to
when to depart from-it promised to confer such
solid advantages to the country. He desired that
no Gentleman should be led to suppose, that in
voting for this resolution, he voted the Queen
innocent. Let- them vote for it, not to confer a
mark of respect on her, but tranquillize the coon•
try by taking away one of its strongest causes of
dissention. Fie thought the House ha,d never been
more in Ila,nger of voting against the deli berately,i
expressed opinions of the people than on the present
occasion. It was their duty to give way to the'pub-
tic voice, to descend to the level-of the people, and
do that which accorded with their view of the
case. On 6 of the things whichlie had been accus-
tomed most to admire in a great Minister now ho
more, he meant Mr. Pitt, was the manner in which,
on some occasions, lie would give up his ownopi-
nion, and adopt that of the people, (though he
could have wished they bad thought differently,)
when he could not get them to agree with him. Ile
(Mr. Wilberforce) confessed, that to him it seemed
fit that a Minister should thus give way in some
instances to the. people, as it was necessary that
a Minister. should possess the confidence of the
people. Mr. Pitt considered this course to be
necessary, to prevent well disposed men from be-

qg made the dupes and the instruments of design

ing agitators who were ready to take advantage
of every thing to forward their own mischievous
purposes. It was from this feeling that that great
man consented to treat for peace, at a time when
he would rather have proceeded more decidedly
with the war. When he came to this determina-

tion- he frankly avowed it, and immediately wrote
to our Ambassadors abroad to apply themselves_ to
ascertain if it were practicable to enter into a ne-
gociation for peace with France. • it was with,
such a feeling for the opinions of the people that
he (Mr. Wilberforce) came to.the decision which
he had now announced, as if the, course. which he
recommended were not taken, -when the: present
proceedings were, he would not say forgotten but
passed away, it might be matter of regret that a
more conciliating line of conduct had not been
pursued. The conduct of .hek Majesty he was
free to say had not been proved. such as to entitle
her to any mark of grace, or to any dignity. But
he would not come to a vote of that description.
But as the Country. wished for the restoration of
the Queen's name to the Liturgy he vas disposed
to gratify them, and doing this lie was of_opinion
that they should. best consult the peace and well-
being of the. Country. •
Mr. S.. WORTLEY having acted with the Hon.
Member who had just sat down up to the present

time was sorry to differ from him now. The lion.
Gentleman wished to do that which was called
for by the 'people, tho Ugh he did not agree with
the people in any of their views. lie (Mr. S.
Wortley) thought it his duty first =respectfully
to consider the wishes and representations of his
constituents, and then to come there and give that
opinion which he had honestly formed for him-
self. He would' now state to the /louse, that he
could not regard her Majesty as entitled to any
mark of grace or favour, after what had taken
place, lie agreed that a great body of the peo-
ple called for the restoration of her name to the
Liturgy, but they did so under the erroneous
impression that while denied this, she was ex-
cluded from that which she might _claim as a
matter of right. If lie took this view of t!u sub-
ject, he would undoubtedly vote for the motion
of the Honourable Gentleman. lle reprobated
the language used in some of her Majesty's an-
swers, and in her letter to the King, as much
as any Gentleman could do ; but itwas not
for the House to notice them now. The ground
on which he voted against.' the motion was
this, that her Majesty having most unwisely
refused the mediation of that House, and hay-
ing declined to take any steps for terminating
the differences which had existed, had put
herself on her trial, and must in 'consequence
take the chance of- the impression made by the
facts disclosed in the course of that trial. If a
doubt remained of her guilt, he would. say that
facts were proved beyond all doubt of such a
character as would prevent him from recommend-
ing her to any favour from the Crown.—(hear,
hear, hear !)—This feelin9,- would regulate the
vote he should give that night, and he believed
that a vote of that kind would go far towards
quieting' the nation.—(llear, hear, hear!)—lie
would add, that he believed, in spite of all that
had been said on the other side of the House,
that the votes already come to on this subject

had done much towards tranquillizing the nation.
—(Hear, hear!)—ft- was known to those ‘‘ ho
were in that House in 1812, that he had spoken
very strongly on the subject of the differences in
the Royal Family, and hat given it as his opi-
nion that much of the conduct pursued by her
Majesty could not be justified. Much of what
had since occurred he considered to have sprung
from that conduct.—(hear, hear!)--What bad
been recently disclosed he• would fain bury in
oblivion. It might be so buried, if it-were not
for these motions. Called on as. he was, to bold
up the Queen to the respect of the country, he

must-soy that there were circumstances in her
conduct which made it his duty to give the
motion a negative.

Jr. MARTIN (of Galway) rose, amid cou,h-
ing, and cries of " question ;" and, for some time
we were unable to catch the drift of his argu-

meet. When we could collect the Hon. Meru-
her's words, we found him expressing his surprise

that the Honourable Member for Bramber should

be supporting a motion in the very teeth of that

6rith had himself come forward on a

ormer occasion.

The truth was, there rriust be

a giving way ; and if the Queen, ho was.in the
wrong, would not give way, then, thought the

lionourable Aretpber for Bramber, the Crown,
which is in the right, must—that's all.—(Hear,
and lau;hter.)--'-The Honourable :Member's
princ;ple (contintieti Mr. martin), puts me in

pliod Of .a little matter which happimed 6 my coun-
try,--<t,auelster.)—A friend of aline cowrnitted

a greatoutragenpOn stimbotlY 3tie night; and next
morning he asked me—" What will •I dd said
'' You-are tlie Wroug doer; tO: he Tare,.
41 I make an apology;" 9aiil. I. Btit he. would
not Malt.' any •conceSsion at all. WHl—thes
friend - of the .injured .party, as.a rnitn:of honour.
should do, waited on. mu : Your friend is in
the wrong, and he:11 apnlog-ise,".sayS he. " I
you may make a- riddle of his body, bit the deVil
of any-. apology yoti'll get from .bith," said 1.
" But what's to.be done ?" said he. " That's
what I don't kno*," said I. " Matters have
gone so far, we'll never get out without an apo:i
logy some way." • " I tell? you again," says
" apology my friend will make none." " Oh,"
then, faith I have it," said he—" if your friend
won't apologise, to be sure:'mine shall; and that
will be' just- the same you know."-,,.
(Cheers and laughter.)—Mr. Martin conCludea
by 'dissenting from the motion.
Mr. LENXAnn -said he was very glad that it
had been at last admitted by Gentlemen opptisite
that the exclusion of her-tlNlajesty's name from.
the Liturgy was a punishment; he had always
considered it so.; and he thought It unworthy
of the Noble Lord opposite to contend, as Ire .
had done on former occasions, that it was not.
punishment. Ile had beard with great surprise
the Member for Montgomeryshire, and, the Mein-
ber for Yorkshire, contend that the restoration of
the Queen's name to 'the Liturgy was an act or
grace and favour. He would. not attempt, after
the luminous argument on a•former night of the
Honourable 'Member for Oxferd,. to argge the
question on the strict construction of the Act
of 'Parliament ; but_ it seemed to him that

no tnan who had honestly and sincerely ap-
plied himself to- this question, with the as-
sistance of those arguments, could have a doubt
that the rejection of her Majesty's name from
the' Liturgy was an arbitrary' and illegal assump-
tion, in the teeth of the true meaning of the Act
of Parliament. No man, in his. opinion, could
read that statute without being•convinced that it.
was never meant that there should be any discre-
tion to alter or change beyond that alteration,'
which might become necessary by death, or
other inevitable accident. But the truth .was-,
there .was no law. to read the Queen; and there-]

fore new laws were to be made and'o:d ones bro-
ken. She was to be punished and then heard,
castigatqae auditque. She was to be .punished
with more than Ithad-amenthean injustice ; for
after being punished and heard, and tried and
acquitted—the prerogative of the Crown—that
prerogative contended-for by Ministers, but de-
nied by the people—not the prerogative of mercy,
which was admitted, but the prerogative of -ven-
geance, which wits denied—was setup to supply!
what was deficient in the, rigour of the law.
had bven said, that as the Queen's name had been al- I
ready excluded froM the Liturgy, it would he inex-
pedient to put it in again. What was this argument,

but an admission that accusation, coming from the
quarter from whence iL came, was to be taken as
proof of guilt ? lie was:not surprised at this from
Gentlemen who had approved of the exclusion of
the Queen's name from the 'Liturgy before her
trial. This act served to mark tint spirit of the
proceedings against ',ler—thDse proceedings, ano-
malous. in the annals of our history, of the worst
times of our history ; it served also .to mark the
credit which was due to any sentiments in' favour
of justice professed by his Majesty's Ministers.
No one could have forgotten .ItOw' after the Man-
chester massacre, they deprecated any expression
of opinion which might prejudice that qtiestion ;
yet they. had not been unwilling to brand the
Queen as guilty before her trial—her anomalous
trial, when her judges Were her accusers, and her
accusers the paid servants of her husband the-com-

plainant,and the supposed injured party. Butabove
all she had a greatei, misfortune than having her
judges fer her accusers : they were her former
friends : and it was the commonest observation,
that none so persecuted their former religion as
those who had abandoned it. " Itenegadoes
never change by halves!" A 11-her former friends,
to whom she should look to fur support, had de-
serted her in her utmost-need, and with one ex-
ception (and he doubted even the truth of that
exception)., had ranged themselves against ker.
ft was true that the member for Liverpool was
not there that night tojuge the cause of Govern-
ment against the Queeu; it' was true that he
had called her the grace and ornament of society ;
but was it not also true that he had coincided

in the early measures against her : at all events,
he had thought her unworthy of his support, and
left her to be defolded as she might : but she
had found in the people of England—in public
spirit—in that inherent feeling'of justice which
is always to be found in the breasts of an en-
lightened and free people—that pity and support
which had been denied to her by the members of
her husband's family. lie could' see the reason
why no conviction was to be 'infused into the

minds of his Majesty's Ministrs ; vest/ is nalla

rettorsum was her motto.

Tlic;.y'coulil not afro,rd

to be sincere•—to confess thatitieir Milan Com-

mission had been deceived, or that
.it had deceived
them.. A lithat they hack done *as. to be defend-

ed. and supported ; but he did not despair of
seeing the day when justice, though delayed,
would at length be done. A few nights ago the
Right lion. Gentleman below him, in a speech as
remarkable for its manly sincerity as for its con-

vincing and overwhelrom,;argum-ent, had declar-
ed his conviction, that if he had gone out of the
House with only ten other i'cvlembers, still that the
Queen's name would be replaced in the Liturgy.
tie had been at first startled at the position, but
on a consideration of the state of public feeling.
he was sure that he had been right. Ile would

not then go into the Milan Commission ; the meni-
hers of it might be " all honourable men." lie
would not pretend to say that like King John or

King Richard they. had whispered -their wibhes

(if they had any) to their gd•trts ; but he had

no -doubt-411;a there had been perjury among' the

witnesses, and it would not hive exited without
the hope of • rewaid; how that hope had been

nurturedf God knew. The late measures, against
the Queen were an additional. reason for Parlia-

tuentnry Reform. Would any one- pretetad that
a Minister would have dared to contemplate
bripging a Bill of the nature, of that• agaiust:ther
Queen, to a House- of COMMOIIS speaking.

, .
. ,• • •
tlx sentilsenti,'of the re-oPle ? He had not gone
into the law or the question ; he considered that
.point flad• been ket, at rest ; !but. he.,littdrstatetl, his-
opinionof the.trtmenz of tbe QUeen ;, thought.
she hail RA-reitthe grea:te-ft: :injustice; :and he
felt hittiSelf bd'iad to 2,;ve every. SuppOrt to thi-;'
motion of,the Hon. Menther: • -
Mr. W.tr,MoT, on a former occasion; had avoid.:
ed toncitintt on the subject then Incidentally Con,
nected ith, the debate, .res.er-Tin.tk- himself till
they should come more regularly before it., The
lion. Gentleman who had bfb.ught .forytard!
this motion, had professed to do. so in the"spirit
of conciliation, cod the Honourable Member
f2t• Iframber, ••• in the same. spirit of concilia•-
tiOni lied also proposed :that the House should
agree to it, because. this •vvould he agreeable to
public opinion.. He (Mr. Wilmot) thought a.dLsr,
tin ction ought to be taken between the public opi-
nion of the-moment, and that which, from being
founded on the inimitable principles of justice,
must forever remain the same. He reminded those
who spoke of public opinion of the language,
of Mr. ! Barke to his Constituents, and that
at a time. when •he was not considered an
alarmist. Ile then, on differing from his .Consti-
tuents, told them that " he Was sent to express.
their opinions, not such as might then be fashion-
able, but such as be and they must always con-
tinue to hold. They had sent him to Parliament
!as a pillar of the -State, td brave the storm, and
not as a weathercock, to answer every change of
the wind by its levity and versatility:" night
or wrong, he (Mr.-Wilmot) thought the opinion
of the people of' Engtend would be very diffe-
rent from that now. avowed, wh:11 the present
effervescence in the public mitid had subsidtid.-
The present was a compound question that turned
on. legality and expediency. •The arrangement
made with respect to the• Liturgy, he held to be
perfectly legal, and he thotight the Queen,
if well advised, would not have brought
it forward again into diScussion.----The pre-
cedent established in the case •of the wife
of George the First did not appear to him
one that ought wholly Lobe set aside. He was,
therefore, of opinion, that- as far as precedent
went, the Ministers were justified in the course
they-had-taken. But the main question now be-
fore the House was, whether or not the Queen's
conduct had been proved to. be such as. to merit
any mark of, grace or favour from the Crown.
Considering the general arrangement made with
respect to the. Liturgy, he did not see that 'any
thing in her conduct made it the duty of Govern-
ment to depart from the line they had originally
thought it :right to pursue.' On these grounds he
thou:ght it was: not• expedient for the House to
interfere, by calling on Ministers to advise his
Majesty to rotore the Queen's name to the Li-
turzy ; and he mast therefore give his vote
against the motion.
WrLegaFoacE explained.

Mr.entitavAT said, that he could not allow
his ()Pinion upon this qUestion to be influenced by
the Observations of those who argued that its ob-
ject was• to produce the rembval of his Majesty's
Ministers; nor could•he agree with those who
would deCline to do that which was right, lest a
particular consequence should follow. He was
particularly adverse to the omission of the Queen's
name in the Liturgy, because there was no pre-
cept. of our religion more ratiolial'and impressive
than this, that a guilty person ought to be prayed
for—therefore, those whoossumed the Queea.to
be guilty, ought to be among the first to support
the present proposition.: The mixture pf religion
with pOlitics, for the purpose of propagating pre-.
judices through tht.r pulpit, 'was a proceeding
which could not be too strongly deprecated i-and
upon that ground the omission of the Queen's
name. in the 'Liturgy, involving as it did a depot....
ture from general• usage, was a most' ill-advised
and unfair measure. Such was. notoriously the
general feeling of the country, who could not
Misunderstand the motive of, this extraordinary
omission ; and. it was to be recollected, that
though the people might sometimes thin,, wrongly
they always felt rightly. But it could not be
doubted, that the. restoration of her Majesty's
name to the Liturgy, would be .a very popular
measure ;• andhe was sorry to see that this:resto-
ration was opposed, rather . upon the ground. of
pride than of justice, .on the part of those who
supported his Majesty's Ministers ; for it was
argued.' by those cl-entlemen that the adoption
of this motion would: operate .to remove Mi-
nisters from. office. But he could not agree
that the circninstance of leaving Ministers in a
minority •would serve to produce their dismissal;
for it could not
,be forgotten, although those
Ministers-.were in a minority Upon,- the subject, of
the Property Tax, as well as upon other occa-
sions, they still retained their offices. lie, how
ever, could not feel himself justified in:allowing
the apprehension of. any remote contingency to
Withdraw him from the performance of his_ duty
in voting for the motion. before the House.

Lord`Mri:•ro.v vindicated the opinions of Mr.
Burke against the inference w hid) the Hon. Mem-
ber for Newcastle thought proper to draw from
those opinions. • The quotations of the Honour-
able Member were. from—the speeches of Mr.
Burke. upon the American war, upon the commer-
cial propositions to Ireland, and, upon the Ca-
tholic Question ; but the Honourable Member
was quite mistaken in his. construction of
those quotations, •It would, however, be well if
the Honourable Memb.er, and those wheacted
with him; would reeollect•the memorable ex pres-•
sion of Mr.. Burke as to rtri addressing House of
Con eons and a: petitioniag people—for :Such -was'
the present. condition of- the:, country. Butto.
.gularil.against the evils of that condition, he would'
invoke the House to add its Petition to:The:Pe-
titious of all the rest of the nation, for restoring
her 'Majesty's name to the Liturgy, and thus con-.
tributing to. tranquillize the public mind. . •
SirTuom.ts Aci(LANn convinc--,
ed that the sense of the nation was favourable to'
`the restoration of ,the•Queetr's -flank to the Li
turgy.,_he,should gladly,=vote...with the Member
for ,l,orkshire,hut:he did not cpusider the opinion'
in favour of the question. as coming from all the:
nation; but i part only. -reasori.for that- be
.lief was founded =upon the: inflated:fevered:state
of the public mind4..which was- observed over the:
whole country during Hy did not nit an I
• • •

•..• ••
to
itwas not the effect of a general Ind fie;
riertitis feeling, but the view he was hiclitted-td
take Of. ,the.-queStion rested upon„ a. differeckt
basis: the motitinSbrO:iglit fdrwarg silt
that Itotise it4iriu,i the .present Sesjiou„.the niotiod
under consideration was .tloA itnportant. It
int/olired Which applied not only
to the dignity of the Crown; but the bounttr. of
that liOsise It li/child lead the House to ,it•tta
example must folloWed. 'l7hd resolu-
tion ,phi posed to be adopted appeared to involve
necessity 'On the part Of the lionise to
_interpose
their authority or Mediation, with it Vier, to ask
that which the Crown had thotilat proper to re-
fuse ;, Aay all the disgraceful circumstances
which had occurred dicing the late unfortunate
ins estigation ought to be fergOtten--to say
n 6 sort of blame could attach to ,her Ma-
jeAty, or prevent her claiming from the
Crown the most distinguished marks of ho-
nour; notwithstanding, she was ?eparated
from the Monarchi. whoSe association would
still have been her greatest Ornament. There
was a sort of previous question which led persotir
'to judge differently from him. Ile was not
disposed to enter into discussion upon the
legal knowledge of professional Cientlemen4. who
bad adtocated the question in favour of it Queen.
It was simply enough to say that his fieling was;
that the conduct :of liis Majesty', Ministers did
not interfere with the law contained in the•ACts
of Parliament; for none of the. arguments from
the issuing of the Orders of Council, to the•prez
sent time, had ch)arly defined the question of
legality. •It really did not appear that his Ma;
jesty's Ministers had tiolated any law. upon
the subject. The supportei's of the motionshould
have called the attention of the aouse to tile
if it was illegal,. of the act they had
declared so arbitrary. .Any .person tit.;o wish
ed to. be guided. by. religion and morality,.
might well differ from his Hight Honourable!
Friend. In the first place, he was loath to admit
that any view of expediency. ought to sanction au
injury to society,. When he considered the mo-/
tion was to procure the interposition of the
House,. for the purpose of breaking .down all
forms and
.dependent questions,. he could not
support it.--(Hear, hear, heat!)---Th House
could not be -unmindful that the innocenca of
the party was once at issue, and that the-Judges
of her conduct decreed, that she was convicted
of the charges. If so, he did not see hover
the House could reconcile to their feelingsa. vote
which would ultimately place such .a person at
the head -of female society in England.,--(ilear,
hear ! and cry of " Question ! Question,!")—
The bias on his ,own mind was, that which
his Majesty's Ministers said, long ago, ere
the•conduct of the Queen bad been confirmed.--
On the question of expedii-ncy he was at issue
with the Member fur Bramber. He did nut
think that House or the Country would in the
slightest (degree receive benefit by yielding tha
question. They were to look at the principle.,
and see to what extent it, would lead. -If this
motion was agreed to, the Queen- would doubt-

less call upon them to do other things, hod how
could they refuse ? In a case where Royal
marks of
,distinction and homage. had been
refused, how 'could they' give homage• is
the Church©s and 'Cathedrals ? If .the", gave
up the question of the Liturgy, they liNd. not
the least reason to suppose the Queen would
be satisfied, or concvde 'any other
Had. they not- seen, by leer Majesty's hitt refusal
to receive the allowance voted by Parliament.,
that she had no diSposition to resign her rip-,htsi.
or gkre up any point ? If the-motion before the
House was agreed to, she might turn their own-
guns, as it were, against the House of Commons,
and. sey, why you made the concession Of the
Liturgy to me—,yet you say I am not a person
worthy to inhabit a Royal Palace 'rhea

. .
the 4nestiOn would arise; how they could
refuse to let her share in the Coronation;
and other points, which ought not to he the

subject of discussion.? It had been said the
public would judge what was done in Par-
liament, but still the House of Commons ought
to act consistently. They ought not to stand
in the situation of having done all they coubt to
restore the Queewto the Liturgy, and at the gam:

time refuse to concede other-claims. If some-
thing was due to her Majesty,. they also owed
something to the honour and virtue of the
Country.
Sir Joins. NEWPORT saidohe-abandonment of
the Bill of Pains and Penalties left the Queen in
the situation she stood .before: the Rrosecutiou.
Nothing Could alter that poSition,.and -therefore.
he looked at the Bill of Pains and Penalties is
proving neither guilt itor. innocence. Irk Hon:
Friend who made the motion., had the tranquillity
of the Country for his object. Ile was Convinced
the Country 'would not ,be in.peace tho
question was disposed of.

_ . .
Mr. DAVENPORT was of opinion, that. the leav-
ing the Queen's name ont of. the Liturru in the
first instance was an ill-advised measure ; hut. he
could not-consent to the , restoration of it to the
service of the church, owing to the nature o 1 the

answers which she had returned tp. t. 14,0 -vapiaus

addresses.. which had. been :presented:- to her.—
(Question, question.) -
• Mr. W. L.uin observed, that with. regard-to the
legal question connected,with the.present
he was notoonvinced, after 3.11 the arguments
he had- heard upon it, thatthe, c lantie.in, the Act of
Uniformity gave the •Queen a. right.. to haJite‘4F
name- inserted •in the lA:torgy. -The Leartled.
Gentleman in his argument.npon-that-pqintAall
recounted all the-various-privileges whi,lthelonged
to a Queen-Consoa; but be (Nye -Larri4), :though t
that he would agree. with hioa,in stating that,tley
:were given to the -Queen, i.n. aid and aV4i3taxice,
not in-opposition and tontradictien,te-ttle. Crown.
That was .the. general, rule- cr ,3.0y,:910„1,!ii
privileges of a -Queere,Co4sot.t,.:were -sakestrqed.
The clause, in.:the act. of uniferrnity.omiritich...ttle
Learned- Gen t. had pia:: elk ko--rouch yF.4s
put in LX fox explanation„of,..a4n,r-
rner clause ; and:even if it vrare eyery
Act of Parliament: was,. to -he :Te'ristruedocupis4;.,.;-
.1y with reason.andjit.self. therefore-,..4,4,tere,b,,,1a

beets no -provito likte Itse cite 70ats. re-,l.ieti: Lycra *-4
the Acts- there roost tek,otsv p•Q vslP4l.l
somewhere' to. make such. a lite utions: as; tlf e