The Sun.
London, England, 1819-05-08 00:00:00

plinted.

General HART presented a Petition from Jer-
e,
miah Laughnan; complaining of the seizing of his ,
cattle by, an Exciseman in Ireland.
Sir JOHN NEWPORT said, he would avail himself
of that opportunity, to ask what the Chancellor
of the Exchequer intended to do with regard to
the Distillation ',Laws ? lie expressed much stir.
prise, that after having declared his intention
of persevering in the system of Fines (spots
Town Lands, to prevent Illicit Distillation, the
Chancellbr of the Exchequer should have aban-
doned that measure, not troin Conviction of its
inutility, but in consequence of x threat held out
by certain individuals, that if he did not do so,
they would withdraw from him their support. A
system of Adniir,istration dependiug on such means
for its support; was not deserving of the confi-
dence of the 'House or the Public. IVbile such
vacillation prevailed, it might he'expected that
any party of Gentlemen going the next day, and,
under the same threat demanding the renewal
of the measure, their application would be suc-
cessful, and this consideration wassnfficient to
give some idea of the way in which the affairs of
the
,country were administered,—Those who had
large properties ethbarked its distilleries, were
'likely to-stiffer much from such a proceeding," and
whatever the House might think of the system.'
itself,- he was sure they would not coontexance a
Ministry in so surrendering it. He was informed
that morning by authority -which he could not
doubt, that a body of individuals connected with
Ireland, and who were usually in the habit of
supporting the tneasnret of Government, had
waited on the Chancellor of the• Exchequer, and
dictated to him, in theptanner already mentioned,
the course he should take upon the subject.
Lord CASTLEREAGH was not a little surprised at
the extraordinary exhibition of haste and temper
manifested by the Hon. Baronet, who could not
wait for the Order of the Day before he made iris
.statement to the House. lie would leave it to
his Right Hors. Friend (the Chancellor of -the
Exchequer) to defend himself, hut on the part of
his Majesty's Ministers generally, he would repel
with indignation the charge made againit
(Hear, hear !)—lt would be a waste of the time
of the House to enter into a particular refutation.
The Hon.. Baronet's connection with a commercial
town might account-for his feeling with regard to
the measure. .That the measure was successful iii
a great degree, be would admit, but if it was at-
tended with hardships, it was the duty of Ministers
to consider what might be 'the effect of a change
its the law. It was as Oremature to discuss, at the
present Moment what the Chancellor of the Ex-
chequer might propose as a substitute, as it was
unnecessary to answer the stories which the Hon.
Baronet had picked up that morning. He could,
however, assure the Hon. Baronet and the House
that his Majesty's,Ministers were not intimidated
by any threats, but were solely influenced by a
wish to relieve Ireland from the oppression she
had suffered under the system. If the evils restd,-
ing from it could he avoided without, injuryao the
revenue, he was sure the House would receive the
alteration with sstisltiction.—(Hear, hear !)—He
had himself attended the meeting alluded to that
mutting, and could assert that nothing of the
kind described had taken place. His Right Hon.
Friend had intimated, that by the encouragement
of small stills.the evils likely to result to the reve-
nue from the abandonment of Town Land Fines
blight be avoided, and that was the whole case
tspon which the Hon. Baronet had got up the tra-
gedy or farce, or whatever description of drama-,
tie entertainment it was, with which he had just
amused the House.
•Mr. MAURICE FITZGERALD rejoiced in the sur-
render of a system replete with oppression, but
thought the House had a right to complain of the
manner in which it was done. He would ask,
whether the Chancellor of the Exchequer had
communicated with the great Cities in Ireland,,to
ascertain whether the Coarse now io his contene-
&allots was likely to be prejudicial to 'the legal
? . And as he seemed to have resolved
?toots ahataining the former system, he trusted
that lie was prepared with some snbstittity which,
:while it avoided oppression, was likely to be ef..
ficient in securing the revenue.
Mr. V. FITZGERALD defended the,' system of
,stil; fines, upon the ground of necessity, ,and de-.
precated the epithets that Were applied, to it. He
,had Supported the principle while in office' as a
:choice of evils, and if he were still in office, he
would do the same. He hoped that the measure

inttuded by his Bight Honourable Friend wonlel
etlectu .1, for no man conld mote teinine in
ihr 4t.) indonment of the piinciple, pinyided it
conld he dour. without injury to the revenue owl
clic unertls of the country.
Ht J. bTri.ev-A.trc complained that the !louse was
driven qty anticipation into a delLite on the sub-
jec;, but cxteres.eed his satisfaction that :a
iriiiirioinee to Ireland, and so hostile to
j„sti(e, t.,a,.1 to he abandoned.
Wit.DMAN defended the conduct of the
CleAmellor of the Exchequer and the adireinistra-
ti,en in gencril, %s host he desciibtal as incapablz
ot. being influenced in the manner that had heen
if lie could think that the Chancellor of
tlin ;e:7exclierpier •vas capable of yielding to any
11.1c1', the (Ions? sultr,ht depend ttpote it that he
would vote with hint again upon any ques-
tion..

Mr. DAsVSON s.aid, he felt the greatest indigna-
tion At the attack which %/84 made by the Moil.
13.tropet upon different Gentlemen corn tee t %rill)
lrelAnd. lie was one of those who had waiied
that morhing on the Chancellor of the Exche-
quer and tie Noble Lord (Castlereagh) upon the
subject then under discussion. They loom! every
disposition to attend to their statemelts, but he
utterly denied that any thing like a threat etas
tirade use of.
Mr. Pt;.P.4,,suggested that the House had better
ab.antion the diienssion into which it was sur-
'Prise !,; anti return to the Petition of Jeremiah
Lauglinan, wide+) was the only subject regularly
bOole the House. -
The CII4NCELLOn of the. EXCHFQVInt dented

that lie -had recanted the opinion which he for-
e:. held. He still thought that the measure
rt.as n.citd in suppressing illicit distillation, though
it was attended with hardships in particular cases.
With this view, he had agreed to the proposal or
piing into a Committee on the subjt>cr. Subse-
tTient I:eflection had suggesteii a measure, which
Ile hoped would operate as a substitute, and which
Le sl,o1:141 prop,ise in a few nights ; till that time
the House would do him the justice to suspend
their judgment. With regard to the intertiew of
that mornihg, he should only say that he had met
• I I,e Gen 'men with ecety dillosition to corii-
and that they had made no attempt to de-
ter kirn from the adoption or rejection of any

weesut
Sir G. Mut, maintained the t►ecessity of the
principle of Still Fines, and expressed much do,,bt
es to the efficacy of any substitute that could be

Mr. R. MARTIN defended his own_ conduct and
tlitit of the other Gentlemen who had writer! on
the t hancell6-r of the Exeheq.ny. It never was
their intention to intimidate the Govcrnmeut.
Nlr. C. linTctitssox complimented the zeal
with which Sir J. Newport tioifornily supported
the public cause, and justified his motives and
views upon the present occasion.
Colonel fluently objected to the course adopted
• by some Gentlemen of discussing a measeire, the
details of u hich were not before' (Bent, lie re.
joie,d that the Chancellor of the. Exchequer had
digested some sub;titute, which he hoped would
be beneficial.
S;r J. NEWPORT teuieated his assertion, that he
bad receit'ed his information front authority on
ulii..l. he could depend, though the fact had been
sou)e degree di‘avowed by those who were
i„ it, He wished to know when it was
the• of the Chancellor of the Exchequer
to bring forward. his measitre, and whet:icy
_he
propost.d to Communicate with those persons in
lrelAtvi who were interested, in thr tinestion
Thy CHANCELLOR of the
,E`{Crit,GIVER taid he
woo ald [ping it forward in :C,V dap, and corn-
niqn,cate in the mean time with (bon. who ought
to he roosohed.
Sic F. &JEWETT tejOiqud that a system so cruel
and unjn.t was about to be re-considered and
abandoned. The desolation which it caused was
mole than sofficiew to couoterhalance any peen.
Italy advantage to be expected front it y and the
exi,euee with which it was attende,l tendered it
due of the mo,t miserable mean, that could be de- •
'riser! for Jut:rutting the Treasury,
Tha P;t lion was then lead, and ordered to be
laid on the Wile.
Tire other Orders of the Day having been dis-
posed of, the House 4r/ion/tied at One o'CioCii.

THIL LLEC l )R.-)' 0 ail BILL.

LIST OF THE MINORITY

ELLCToEs'

11/4Targ. of Tavistock, lit-cifordsh.
Lord ridnoon, Devonshire
Iron. NI. Nl;ntle, Forlarshire
Loul C. Hutchinson, Cork
Slu CAI Bortcli,Bt.Shorehatn
S,r Lelll.ll, t. Cornwall
tV. Rowley, Bart. Suffolk
Sir R. L05).14-

wit hid
Sit 14 Parnell, Burt. Queen's

y
Sir J. Newport, Bt. Wnterford
Sir Isaac Cuttin, fiat. Ileitester
Sir B...Wilson,.Kilt,Soutliwarli
Mr. POrtnian, I)orietshire
Mr. tit nrtte Byng, Middlesex
Dl r. Ethvards,Glainorganill.
J.-Dennison, So rrey
'fremayne, torniicall

Alr. Alderman %Wood, London
W,:ithniao, Ditto
Nr. Aid. Thoroe, Ditto
It. Dorchester
11:r. C. I,terie,
,Ittading
Ali% 3. P. Ciri.ot, Tavitocic
t4l. N. Calvert, IleWord

WHO VOTED POE THE

OATH BILL.
Mr. Barnett, Rochester
Mr. Birch, Nottiozhaut
Mr. Et. Gordon, Crick lade
Mr. Davies, Worcester
sytuonS, Hereford
Mr. W. Wilkins, Radnorshire
Mr. Buxton, Weymouth
Mr. Sorg. Otisiow, Guildford
Mr. Rainshottoln, NVihdsor
Mr. Gurney, Norwich -
Mr. 0,41 e, Drogheda
Mr. Phillips, Leicestershire
MI . Aberdeenshire
Mr. Con..smalitr, Kinsale •
Mr. Leake, St. Michael's
Mr. Harvey, Colchester
M
Mr. aildoks, Boston
Mr. Bernal!,
Mr. Concanuon, Appleby
Mr. Martin, Tewkesbury
Mr. Brown, Mayo
Mr. Ricardo, Mallow%

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10,000 Tit E FA'S.

THEATnicAL REGISTER.
Perrormeet last ,ylg/st.
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Mr. Titan ; Tarquinia, Mrs. W. West. After which, Abu-
&alt.
To rAvir. RovAL, CovENT-GArturs7.—The Heart of Mid-Lo-
1117an (4eorge Robertson, Mr. Ma'cruady ; Madge Wildfire,
Mrs. C. Neanile. After winch, A Roland for an Oliver.

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THE SUN.

soLENt DICERE IoALS'iT3I A V OEAT

LONDON,
SATURDAY, 111.1 Y 8, 1819.

teceived this morning the Paris Papers of
IVednesday last. In the Chamber of Deputies on
Tuesday, M. de la BouLLAYE reported trom the
Committee on the projet respecting the rant
through Alsace, recomusending its adoption with-
out amendment. The discussion oil it was
tiered to be opened yesterday. The discussion
was then resumed o❑ the projet respecting the
Journals. The reporter replied, sopporting the
opinion of the Committee. The Keeper of the
Seals announced that the Government were dis-
posed only to require the declaration of one Pro-
prit.tor or Editor, and to dimini,h the amoun► of.
security requi►ed for the Departmental Journals,
but lie insisted on requiring the amount of secu-
rity as originally stated, at Paris, and in the De-
partments of Stine et Oise, and Seini et Marne.
MM. Dausou, BENJAMIN CONSTANT, and DC
CHAUVELIN, combated the principle of security,
which was supported by M. SAINT AuLAtax, and
the Keeper of the Seals ; M KBRATEY spoke in
'favour of the amendments proposed by th►e Com-
mittee. The first Article was amended by render-
ing it only necessary for the name of one Pro-
. prietor or Editor to be entered, together with
the place where printed ; arid -the questions
were then put as to the securities. The prin-
ciple of security was Areed to by a large ma-
jori,y (without a scrutiny), and the amount was
fixed for the daily Journals in Paris, and the two
Departments above-mentioned, at 10,000 francs
of rente ; and for Journals not daily, and pe-
riodical Publications, 5000 francs; for daily Jour-
nals it, towns of upwards of 50,000 population,
1,250 francs ; and in towns below 50,000,
for daily Journals, 1,500 francs ; and for Jour-
nals not:daily, and periodical Publications,
7501. The discussion on the 2d and following
articles, was aujoorned till Wednesday.— The
following are extracts :

" PARIS, MAY s.—The King yesterday received
the Ambassadors and Foreign Ministers. His Ma-
jesty afterwards transacted business with the Mi-
nister of Justice, and received tf,e congratula-
tions of the Chapter and Clergy of Paris, on the
occasion ofThe Anniversary of his return to Paris.
" The second Projet respecting the }'less, and
Projet for the abolition of the Droit d'Auhitine,
.were comtnunicated yesterday to the Chamber of
Peers by the Keeper of the Seals, Minister of
Justice, and were both ordered to be referred to
the Bureaux.

One hundred and sixty-five wolves were de-
stroyed in the deiiartment of C3te d'Or during
the year 1818.

" The King gave audiences yesterday to Lord
IVidtworth and the Prince Walkonski, Aid-dc-
Camp to the Emperor of IlussiA.

VIVE PER CENTS.
Tuesday • 66 f. c.