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London, England, 1819-02-09 00:00:00

110ITSE OF COMMOIO.

Several Private Bills were lorWtirded throtigh
their respective stages.

ELECTION PETITIONS.

The SPRAKER intimated to the House, that on
looking over the printed list of Election Petitions
presented on Thursday last, lie had found one
which had been inadvertently referred to on Elec-
tion Committee, although it was against the Can-
didate instead of the sitting Member. Acts '2B
and 53 of the King declared this mistake to be
fatal. The petition respected the return for Drog-
heda. Other petitions, presented ft om the same
place, were not liable to the same objection, and
remained good.
On the motion of the SPEAKER, the order, re-
ferring the Petition to the Committee, was dis-
charged, and the Petition was withdrawn.
The SPEAKIM next informed the House, th:4t
John Stnart,.Esq. and others, who had, on the
22d of Januat y last, presented a Petition against
the return for Camelford, had failed to enter into
recognizanees within the time limited by law.
The order respecting this Petition was dis-
charged.

The STRAKER took this opportunity of men-
tioning to the Honse a difficulty which had arisen
"with respect to recognizances from Ireland. By
the 28th of the King, 14 days were allowed for
enteting into recognizances : if at the expiration
of that period the Speaker reported that he had
not received recognizances, the order was dis-
charged. By the 47th of the King, 14 days more
were given the first 14 days tor entering -into
recognizances, and the second 14 days for
mating to the Speaker that. they had been entered
into. The 53d restricted the period again to 14
daYs, and rendered it iMperative upon the Speaker
to report whether recognizances had been entered
'into or not. In passing the last of those acts, it
was manifestly by an" oversight that it had been
omitted to give 14 days more in the case of Irish
l'etitious. He called it an oversight—(Hear,
hear !)—because the reason was obvious why, in
terms of the 47th of the King, 14 days more
should be allowed in Ireland, not for entering into
reeognizances,, but for informing the Speaker
whether they had entered into them before the
expiration of the first 14 days.--7(Hear, hear !)
This proposition was itumedistely acceded to,
and the time for informing the Speaker was en-
larged in the several cages of petitions against
elections in Ireland, to niday, the 19th of this
month.

UNFUNDED DEBT IN EXCHEQUER BILLS.
Mr. LUSHiNGTort moved for an Account of the
Unfunded 'Debt id. Exchequer Bills outstanding
-on 'the Ist of Jan. 1.81 9.-01 dered.
Mr. LIISH INGT.ON
.brm,ght up the AccOutit ac-
cordingly. It was ordered to bi laid' on the
table.
INSOLVENT DEBTORS.
TheATTORNEY-GENERAL moved, that the order
of the House for the production of the Receiver-
General's Accounts respecting the number, debts,
and dividends of Insolvent Debtors, be read, in
order to its being discharged.
Mr. WAITHMAN said, that he had no objection,
as another motion, to be substituted in the room
of his, answered his purpose equally well.
The order was accordingly discharged; and the
ATTORNEY-GIiNERAL moved for accounts, which
appeared to be precisely similar to the order with-
drawn, with some technical variations. The ac-
counts moved for were ordered.
Lord SRPTON moved for a new wrio to elect a
member for Droitwich, in the room of the Hon.
A. Foley deceased.—Ordered.
The Cutlery Trade Bill was committed.
• SCOTCH BURGHS.

Lord A. HAMILT►►N presented a Petition froth
the.Eiectors of Kirkcudbright, one of the 13hrghs
Of Scotland, praying to be restored to the free
exercise of their elective rights. The Noble Lord
entered into a series of statements connected with
this subject, which was but imperfectly heard in
the gallery. Tile petition was then read. It
Frayed for the repeal of two acts of Parliament,
which inteifeted with their rights as electors, and
for such new enactments as would supply an ef-
fectual remedy to the evils of which they cow-
t>i<tint•d. _

The LORD ADVOCATE of SCOTLAND said, the
Bill which the Noble Loid had described as hav-
ing been wiihdrawn in an extraordinary manner,
had beers withdrawn became those interested in
it had requested that the Bill might not pass till
the subject had been brought under the coio:ider-
ation of a Convention of the Burghs, in July.—
in answer to the question which had been put,
he had to state, that it was his intention to pro-
pose the introduction of a Bill similar to that
which he bad brought in during the last Session
of Parlirlment.
The Petition was ordered to lie on the table.
Lord HAMILTON rose to withdraw a 1101iCO

"that lie haa.tormetly given. Ile Ckplairrd his
motives for doing so. He had given a Right lion.

Gentleman opposite a list of.papers, for which he
intended to nurVe.; relative to the Scotch Burghs.
---lie would not now positively name a day-ifor
which his motion should stand, but if the Learned
Lord would say after what clay be could he in
the House, he Would then fix oir \the day for
bringing. it on.
Mr. BATHURST' sai4, when the Noble Lord had
'first spoden to him on the subject of the papers
for which he proposed to move, and inquired of
him if the motion wonitrhe opposed, he (Mr. Ba-
thurst) had replied, that it was a great deal too
much for an individual like him to take upon hin►-
self to decide on that question. On Friday he had
told him that only one part of his motion would
he objected to, but subsequently understanding
the motion to be different frOm what lie bad sup-
posed, he had thought it right to let the Noble
Lord know last night that it would meet with.op-
position, which before he hart given him to un-
derstand it would not be likely to encounter.

The Loan AnVotATa of Scotland was the lag
man in that House to desire that the Nolile Lord
shoidd, for his personal con‘,enience, postpone his
motion for a single day. But the Noble Lord
must be aware that a person in his situation had
ti-tieS to perform which might call him away that
were of some importance tri the Public. After
the Sessions rose, on the 12th March, he should
be happy to give hia attendance to the thotion itf
the Noble Lord, so soon as it might snit his con.
venience to bring it on.

1-lAmtuioiz :hen postponed h s motion
to the 14th of March.

NEW WRITg FOR IRELAND.

The SPEAKER i►►timated that he had had a cnm.
munication frdrit Mr. Lc.slie Foster, intimating,
that having been returned for Artna4lt aud for
Lisburne, he had made his election for Artnagh.
Lie had therefore issued a new writ•foi

~The SPEAKER,.in.an after stage of the business of the
night, informed the House, that motions for new writs of-
fered Oil Friday night been, on his suggetion, post-
poned, in order to,allow time for hearing from Ireland after
theexpiration of the 14 d4s. He had thissmorning sent to
the Post-Office to make inquiry on the subject, and be had
found that the last mail had left Dublin on Friday night.—
Delay, in consequence, heeame no longer necessary.
Sir HENRY PARNELL.rooved for a new writ fur Pot tar-
lingtOn, in room of Richard Sharp, Esq.—Ordered. •
Lord CASTLEREAGH moved for a new writ for Newark,
in room of General Clinton.

, .
Mr. CALCRAFT mood, that the Papers presented fiom
the Storeheeper-General's Office -be printed.—Orderrd.
Mr. D. W. HARVEY Ore 'notice,. that he would op the
t4th more for the number of Informations filed in the Court
of Exchequer under the Excise Laws..
. _

Sir M. RIDLEY rose to move for the amount of Sur-
charges of Farmers. for not hatint; Licences.as Horse,dralers.
!f it•would be more agreeable to Gentletnen, opp,,iiie, he
svoiild, instead of 'moving nowooice notice of his motion..
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER expressed his
e-ference.of_a notice.
Sir M. W. RIDLEY gave notice accordingly, for Thursday
next.

Mr. BROGDEN brought up the Report of the Committee
of Ways and Means,
which was received by the House. It
contained the 'renal annual votes of tqaes.
T E1.J.,01{- of the 14,757.4/EO.Litr, obtained leave
to bring in a bill for enacting payment of those taxes.
CUSTODY OF THE "KING'S
The Bill for the Custody of his Majesty's Person. was read
a third time, and Pasted.
3011 N NEWPORT asked.the Noble
,Lord whether he
could give him 'any information :a to any act.of declaratory
having- been passed by the Court of Session'in Scotland,
erecting acts which. had. zone into desuetude?
Lord CASTLEBEAGH replied, that• he had, ruqoe•
in-
(mire, hut &A he was at that ',Await', unaiiie to ii..ivt`ien.y
air-
swer.
Sir JOHN NEWPORT 'o.ve. police, that he should
on
Tuesday, next,submit a motion on the,subject, _
• Mr. KENNEDY wished to ask. two questions of the Learned
Lord. In 1813. Commissioners bad been appointed to ioquixe
into the powers of servants of _the Crown, in several .judicial
situations in Scotland. 'Tire Commissioners had made -four
Reports before the dissolution. of the last Parliament. They
had made their Mb Report since the commencement of this
Session. He wished, first, to he informed, whether Mini_
eters -meant to adopt any measures in consequence. of these
reports ? He was anxious to know this, because the reports
were of great intricacy, and of great importance to tine part
of the kingdom with which he had the honour tube connect-
ed. The other question was, When the Commissioners were
expected to terminate their labours ?
The LORD ADVOCATE replied, that the five Reports had
certainly been made, and that his Majesty's law-officers in
Scotland bad given their opinion upon them to his Maje_sty's.
Ministers; but the Hon. and Learned Gentleman must ex-
cuse him for not pretending to say, whether his Majesty's
Ministers intended to found any measure upon those Reports.
Lord CASTLEREAGH said, that they could not be ex-
pected to return answers immediately to all the points-that
could. be asked..
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MR.EROUGHAM—coNnurrEu OF SECIIESY.

Mr. CALCRAFT rose to make the motion of
which he bad given notice, for adding Mr.
Brougham to the Committee of Secresy. The
fitness of his Hon. and Learned Friend for such
a Committee was not to he disputed. Every one
who,kn,w the man must know that be was pecu-
liarly fitted to forward and assist such an inquiry
as that with which the Committee were charged.
He wished not to offer any invidious remark's on
the occasion, and should humbly submit his mo-
tion to the House—" That Mr. Brougham be
added as a Member to the Committee of Secresy."
Lord CASTLEREAGH said the line taken by the
Hon. Gentleman very properly avoided any
invi-
dious remarks on the Members of the Committee.
He, however, must object to the motion, as de-
structive of that ancient tsode of choosing a Com-
mittee, to 'which the House bad thought fit to
resort on this occasion. Whe,n the Hon. Gentle-
man said there was a precedent for that which 1;e.
proposed in 1751, be did not say whether 'the
Committee to which the Marquis of Graham, was
added was a Committee of Secresy.
111 r. CALCRAFT said, Yes, it was.
Lord CAsTLERRAGH then stated, that be had a
precedent of equal force on the other side of the
question. 1n 1797, it was proposed,
,to add Mr.
Fox to a Committee of Secrecy, but,though :ti e
Committee was less numerous than the present,
the proposition was negatived, lie contended,
04at in particular cases, where a Committee of
Secresy was appointed, it was desirable, when the
ancient practice of ballot was resorted to, thAt the
House should adhere strictly to the Committee
chosen, and not suffer others to added to the
number :ut first selected.

Mr. TIERNEY considered the course pur-
sued to be invidious, it the language used on this
occasion deserved a diffrrent character. In the
whole House he did not know that there was one
person so eminently qualifi-d to as,if.,t at such an
iitynity as his Hon. and Learned friend. There
WAS MA one Gentleman, who on all questions on
every branch of public economy, was filler to
throw light on the subject of inquiry than, the in-
ditidnal now proposed to be andrcl to the C9m-
rnittee ut Secrecy. This was a question on vrtlicti

' nse and Ole. country eat;l,l. '6°l' ,Ini.,,,ellao°tak
sweliatrtctig,:eat anxiety, as the value of M'r.
toe
•
was known ; and in no case where laborio"'.
and preseveiing inquiry into a ComPliejo
e( subject, were necessary, would the public cilist
fail to place his name at the head of at)' fist •
mist ht
Lord eC!:,Tr.ztin oposeEd'cli ,h t
Mr. S. Woamsy could' not but believe
Honourable and Lear net! Gentleman' (ae'e,
Brougham) was not a Member of the Co'"rnifot
it was the fault of the Gentlemen Of the t/P1):4511t
tion. It they bad done their duty, theY
have had him in it. The House had decidedye
t° 1
chosen by ballot. n old times, and within ti-eg
the Committee should corf,ist of 01 Members, 0
"MIT, it bad been common for two lists of lislit),O
to' be circulated on such occasions. was 111.111.te
now. No list was produced from that side of
ore
itHii(i)riroatty sae crt
of the preceding is v
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the 0
ham's name, be must have been of die han)",,,irli
the Committee. That he was out 'vas
their own fduir, and it was too tuoch (kit jet'
should now attempt to get -toot her Aleliejict.
added to the Committee, because they ball 14-
lit their duty., tsltst
Mr. PROTHEnOE maintained, th,f though
feel,
had been stated by the last Speaker wa-fi t" e
A"r efP)ber4
et
was not practically. jt• the leiro
the Minist,
of the Opposiion had come forward in a d;
erl would haie done the like, polord
result would ha've been what it Was 0" 11icoliA
occasion. To say, then, that the Oppost"°.li it
oily to brine themselves, was not the f that
would be more manly for Ministers to stlY r id
they had the power, and had thought pre
blamed Ministets for not tiSing the influeucei
voti
fp6rcs,s;sisd:;:l,4wittliitemt:ita•eintenottilfer?
jrZithitoilu.it'o the
Committee.' r
Mr. CALCRA'FT believed the 1160. Alen-benhjec.
Yorkshire bad been ittisinim d med on ie 157,1,01"
of the ballot, when he stated the ntimber °,
lit'rs that voted-to he about one buudtt,,°‘;olo,l
(Mr. Caleraft) was informed that tit ir It
voted, and about 175 had put itt their ittsiii"eir
altered. Had they brought forward lists
10 jot/
own they couldcouldnot have got Mr. Broogbs
the„Committee. , Jati
. W,torroz4AN considered it to h,e base
of the Ilowe tor-such an infinity to
who were best fitted by their talenis ond,eisicol!
rietiee to conduct it to a satisfactory rone'" tbe
‘Vhatever might he thought in that House'e
of
public would not believe that the Comalitte
:.•.ecteay was appointed to make an incluir"nresg
woo:d rather believe' it was appointed to strFto of
lie strongly expressed his disapprobat'un
!he way in. which Committees were, c?l,)C°etiefS
.I)''n"r• Ow the present occasion, it noPrece 0,0
!la_q; been adduced to justify the motion, be cote
()Jopinion it would have been wrong t'norit'
e_gainst one Si brought forward on that oCc,,-„ive
It might so happen that one hdividnal 't of
the Hoose more information than all'
the -re' stir!
the House beside ; and was that on; l)..e
out by•etiverte4 tic (lid tint t‘bilikpc
would be satisfactory to the public. 1111 J was
select reipe,

intlleinct.iown
.towvl(oNteN tuo:atithie, tillteotsiiolont,dd .fed
great °l3-
jeetiPWAO the ballot, if it were to iippot,:e fe,!(Crt:
Oil the House, awl prevent it tram antliog Ifit!if
..I%kyeetTtrats-ti tt!ioii t c:s Controlf Syerer sl tees,
' 1 e'll'eei:rtobi;)°::411)':;:1G
• view the question was this—was the a'pPoinfOi-t' ,u,
of, this Gt.ttiletnan such as would incerialiv ci(i't
t,i Ce to the object of the investigaiiim ? AL.° 1,,
1
was, what objection could there be Ur the ti'l
pointment ? , .
C OA:111'1.D' i CANNING
t ee eliisensabiychbableloth:igillYe
from saying any thing of the Learned Geol'e.;11:'0
whose name was now proposed,- except 1",,,•5'
fully subscribed to all that had been said io rri,,.
of his talents and industry; .htit there wAs I'''. tee
stance of an addition being made to a Cotrinjitna
:hieli_ltacLalteatly. been folly appoioted: "1)(' 1 it
proved of by the House.a's fully tpialiticd) "''' of
was on that grdund he objected to the
awpopir,
it:lye:11050i i
the tomm4tee anew ; for be , was CoSe:liej.";lie't.
the Learned Gentleman then , proposed e ,
pointed, the alteration would not stop the"'
Mr. W. Wy N NE explained. lii°
Mr-BARHAM said, it was well known the la
were put into the hands of Members, and Ser" ~e
thrown into the glass by them. He never I:s'cie
an instance in which the Opposition List ".cas'
any use in a ballot ; and .he thought it wis °diet,
torn which might as well be dropped Alt°ge. vitt'
An Ho-u.'Gentlernan charged the Oppositi" 'daot
not doing their duty ; but if the duty Cmil t 00'
be-tione effectually, it was better not to 0° it °dlr.
It was in vain 16 struggie with such a tliirtel).ejiC
Mr.MAriTIN (Of Galway) gave the highest cote'
to the -talents of Mr. Brougham. and 16 his
,;t that
'less RS a lawyer; but he belie..ed he was l'its"-00.4
sort of a lawyer whom any servant of tbe '',',ltiO
would recommend to his Majesty to raise —lOll
situation of a Judge Many „In" 'might he 10
skilled in Divinity,,but lie believed no one c; A
advise his Majesty to make such a skilful Pic`
01
liish -,- op.(A loud laugh,)..}l,, had that twilit to
of Mr. 13rougharn! (hat he ,„„„id „,,,,t, cono3 eo
his being appointed a Member of the l)rie
Committee. voto
s
Lord Motpwrst said, he certainly sho nh
for a Gentleman wyom he considered riallY quaii
iltoo
fied to assist in the proposed inquiry, in tile t 0
,
manner as be bad voted for the appointniell"/9/.
Mr. Fox to a similar Committee, in the year 0,01.
Mr. MAIZYATTSaIa, the Members of clot led it)
mitteeough mpo
tto be cosed om f en w
r, Y °ell-slili b.
the money concerns of the country. Lie --°% be:
jeered to the appointment of Mr. 13rougbatual',4
:::tuse he thought there wete already t°°r.
i
theorists, and too few practical men rupon - , sr,
Mr. Haaysy supported the appointmeut o,lifiect
'Brougham,
,as a Gentleman eminently :Inver(
for. such a tash, from his great talents an° --
sal knowledge.-The House then divided,
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Against it ........................•• ter.
Majority for Ministers ........ 44
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