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in your k-nowledg,7, in the coarse of your pta6lice,
has increased.age, in your had any influence
upontlie'recovory
,ot the patient, or otherwise ?
Not where the case was exactly similar to his Mn-
jesty's.
I understood you to sly, you had never met with
a-case exactly similar to his Alajesty4 ?—T4ing
age,-and other circurnsances of his M;ljesty, into
conside, at ion .
the general run of cases,. IA hick have come un-
der your'obser+at ion,, do you conceive the age of the
patient to have had any influence upon his com-
plaint ?---It may be difficult to answer that question,
without stating the particular species of hi:. Majesty's
complaint : his. Majesty's complaint does. not ap-
pear, to me, to be connected with age ; it is a com-
plaint, produced by an accidental circumstance,
which would. have produced that complaint, at any
time, in his Majesty, during the last twenty-two
years, There is no mark of age in the symptoms;
there are none of those symptoms; .it Inch usually at
tend complaints of that des?Vipt toil, arising tram age :
and it appears to me, therefore, that tkis Majesty is
as likely to recover, not + ithstanding his age, from
this complaint, as he k+•ould front any other acciden-
tal complaint lie,might labour under.
Have you known several instances of persons,
who have lat:oured under deiangetnent of tuinsi,nt
particular and ditferent periods-Of their lives, %ill,
intervals bet %% cell the dates, of derangement ?---Se--
veral.

words applied'to an individual, that lie lt'as compe-
tent to the transadion of all his business, public and
priv;:te, and to the complete management of his
affairs I—Most assuredly.
- Since you ceased to attend the King in June, .1801,
*hen Avere yon since called to 'his Majesty I—On
the 6th of last month.
Did you attend the King in the year 1804 ?—No.
Since you have been called -in to the King, do
yOu recollect harkg objected to any proposal made
fOr an interview between the King and the Lord
Chancellor
Had you known that it was intended to propose
to the King, to see the Chancellor, should you hate
objected to his being told of it should certainly
have objected.
Do you think that any beneficial effect was pro-
duced to his Majesty's menial health, by the inter-,
view bet wren the. King and the Chancellor ?—No.
Has any prejudicial etfeet resulted from it ?—I am
not aware that any prejudicial effeel arose.
Oo the night of the Chancellor seeing the King,
did you see any effitet, good or bad, produced, that
you attributed to-the visit of the Chancellor I—Not
that I could attribute to the visit of the Chancellor.
What was the reason assigned by the Pitt sicians
for wishing the King to see the Chancellor .1—
Some of the Physicians had form7d an idea that
the Chancellor would have some influence on the
King's mind. •
In point of faa, was the King worse that night
than he had been the preceding night I—The King
had a remarkably good night.
When did you last see tits Majesty I—This morn-
ing about eight o'clock,
What ,4 as his state at- the tin.- ?—Nearly in the
same state tha: the King ha,
,bt en for the two or
-three last days. •
.Had he passed a good night I—A o l,.rably good.
night; nut tont! 1., the preek-dit;. . -
Do you csteem it ..n ontavourbie circumstance,
that sleep should ma be attended whh its natural
etlet4 of refreshment and ciAnpostve, Ur a malady
of the ()Mute of that with which , the ..E.iog is al—
teCted only marks the stage of the complaint.
It anifornily takes place, early, in complaints of
description, that sleep. does not benefit the mind, it
only recruits the constitution 4t large. •
Does sleep now benefit the -King's mind more
than it nid in the. e :Hier, stages .ot 'tios disorder
Most undoubtedly.
Does it benefit his mind as much as if did in the
corresponding-stages of his disorder. heretofore ?
I am scarcely able to discover, the-exact !iatrallel si-
tuation.

Do you conceive the circumstance of the defeli
of his Majeq)'s sight., 10 have any influetriesof any
kind upon the present state of his disordcr ?—I
t!tink -hitherto it• has been an advantage, that his
Mojesty is without his .sight, because-we have been
:.bie to condiia bin with less irritation.
Do you think tliat it wi;l continue to be an acl-
v will tend to promo:e his ultimate•re-
cdvery ?—When his Majesty begin, mote decidedly
to recover, I think it will be a disadvantage, by pre-
c,nding certain sources of amusement. •
eau you form any thing saitsfaalory conjec-
ot the, duration of his, Majesty's illness ?—No,

I c tonot..
Do you think his. M tjesty's recovery as near now,
AS you- ciought -it the..day you were examined be-
t;q-; Prig Council ?—I do ; I do not observe
that. hi, Mjesty's faculties seem in any respell itn-
riired, 6y the. continuance of his disease; so far
Mjesty's perception is clear and keen ; . his me-
mory, whic.r -I, the first faculty usually observed to
ire .ioll:enced and to be injured by this disease, and
whi.:ll is the first to feel the effect of. age, is sound
and strong ; judgment is. in eclipse.
. Have you not seen patients who have never been
cured, whose memory has been retentive to the.
greatest 'possible degree, and even. more retentive or
in,re vivid than during tilt. periods of mental. health ?
—7-I.do nor know that 1 can recoiled an instance of
that kind at this tnoment ; I speak of it as usually
the case.

Have you, considered such persons as more or less
like:3r to recn,er, in consequence of adsanced age
—The opinion must depend upon the symptoms of
the case at the time.
110 you then-consider. increased years as circum-
stance not aring, in itself, or carrying, ill iiself,
any influence upon a complaint of ibis nature ?
Generally speaking, age would have a considerable
influence ; but no sylispioms, which in general arise
from age in other persons, have mad:- ibeir appear-
once 'in his Maje.ty : I therefore conclUde thiat age
will have no effect here.
Do you conclude, that age, in an unbroken con-
stitution, has no influence upon. the probability of
recovery, or others • ise, trout this disorder i--Yro-
sided ided I saw no,sympton:s ot the effect of age in the
individual, I should say not.
Can you at all contempla.e, in your Own mind,
any period in wi:ieti Jou' te,inkhis Majesty's reco-
Very likcly ?—No. •
Yoq. attended the King in the y'iar l'Bol, for the
first time ?—Yes.

Sußosing, the King to be in the same state in
which he was between the with of Oztoberand the
271.11 at night, would you feel yourself justified in
declaring that he was competent to the transaction
of public business ?—I believe, so.
You would deetn.that a perfect menial recovery ?
—I think there is a, diffe:ence, between the com-
mencement and the termination of an illness ; you
'wouid.require something more in the one, than in
the other. I wish to euresi, vs hat I have done in
a former, part of my evidence, that I conceived the
King competent to the . tranaZ.-tion of public busi-
ness, till the 27111 at night.
If the King were, now, in the same state after
his illness, in which he 'was for some days. !net ions'
to the 27th of October, would you ptate ihat he
ought to dtschaige his public functions ?—I shOuld
conceiv_e the King was competent to transact publiC
busint:ss.

Oiev•:ry kind, without any excepting ?—,Yes, I
think so.

Did you sign the bulletins that were issued in that
illness ;7—No.
Dij you see the bulletins that were'issued in that
illness i—lris, I did.

What do you mean, when, you speak of his l‘la-
jest y:'.s manner b,ing hurried I—His conversation is
in-re rapid, and is thoughts occur more quickly in
shcctssion one upon anotoer,,than in a state of per-
fd4 hearth ;• his conversant:on is connected, but too
Nut wandering from one sullied to another

Hate you now, or had you lately, under yourcare,
any patients of the age of the King i•-•--Nut -affected
• exactly as his Majesty is. -
Have you had any patients mentally deranged of
or about
,that age think riot.
Have you had patients, mentally deranged, of
about the same age, Wider your cam I—l h .ve had
AperSolls under states of insanity of the Kiiig',a. age,
not. Perhaps•under mental derangemetit similar to
the King's.
What is thedistintstioe between mutat derange-
ment and insanity I—The Commit tee must be aware
of the extreme difficulty of giving a definition un-
premeditated: I will describe- the character of the
different states : I consider the King's derangement
more nearly allied to delirium than insanity ; when-
ever the irritation in his Majesty arises to a ceuain
point, he Uniformly becomes delmrrous.lti dciiriutn the
mind is actively employed upon past impretsitrs„
upon objects and former scenes, which rapidly pass in
succession before the mind, tesembling insthat case,
a person talking in his sleep.,; There is also consider-.
able disturbance in the general constitution ; great.
restlessness, great want of sleep, and total uncon-
-111 sciousness of surrounding objects. It insanity,
there may be little or no disturbance, apparently,
in,the general constitution;, the mind is occupied'
upon some
ehketi lissumed idea, to the truth of
which, it pertinaciously-adhere, in opposition
to theplainest eviAence of its ta!sity ; and the in-
dividual is acting', always,. upon that false impies--
-sion ; in insanity., also, the mind is awake. to ob-
jeets which are present. Taking insanity, there-
fore, and delirium, as two poeits,el would- place,
derangement of "mind somewhere-between them.-
His Majesty's illness, uniformly, pat takes more of
the delirium than at the insanity.
Do you mean to• say, that the King Is at any
time unconscious of surrounding.objects.—When
first saw his Majesty, on the 6th of November, he
'was perfectly uuconscious of surrounding objects.
Was that his state. on Tuesday last I—No.
Was there derangement on Tuesday I—There
was derangement on Tuesday.
Then, on Tuesday, did his Majesty's disorder bear
the-characteristic. of insanity, and on the 6th of No-
vember of delirium ?--It has never borne the charac-
ter of insanity; it never gets beyond derangement,
'according to the scale r have just laid down.
• Does this apply to. the illness of 1801, as well as
the preseut.—StriCtly.
What is the present state of the King's bodily
health, in your. opinion ?—The King is far from
being in a good .staLsr of health at this time.,
Are the symptoms of bodily indisposition suffi-
cient to act outit for all the derangement of mind -
which is perceived in his Majesty 1-4eully stuff- -
ci:ett to eel omit tor, the present sytnptows of the'
state of his mind.
Is 'I here a greater absence asleep now than there
was elm-thigh; ago ?—libr six days there was.more
regular sleep than there has been fur sonic days
East ; when I say a fortnight, I am perhaps not
quite accurate to.ilie time.
Du you attach arty and what importance to a pa-
tient„ having vreviously had repeated attacks of
mental disorder ?,—Provided I see aio consequences
arise fitim the repetitiou of the disordee, .1 should
attach no importance to it. •
In his Nik9e,ty's case hare you observed any con-
sequences of the kind you allude to ?—I have observ-
ed none.
Did not the Chancellor know, before he was ac-
tually introduced to the King, that you concurred,
upon the whole, in thinking it would be better he
should see the King, titan that he should not ?
Having started the objections which I did, to the

Di i you concur in the propriety of those bulle-
tins, as expfessing the sepl Awe of the King's Health
to the puolic ?—Yes, I did.

Did you concur in the opinion, expressed to the
public by •he Physicians, by the cessation of the
bulletins, that the King was perfectly recovered
To the best of my recollection, the King ,A as, re-
covered, and fully capable-of doing business ; 'there
were some little remains of hurry about his Majesty;
nothing further, that I have any.recollection of.
Do you mean to say, ilia' those marks- of hurry,
about his Majesty, were apparent at the time the
bulletins ceased; and the,-Physietans thereby an-
noutic:d to the public, that his Majesty was•per-
teCtly recovered ?---The synep;ona of hurry, cer-
tainly, occasionally remaibed.
Were the symptoms of hurry, sod-. as to create a
necessity fur any resl-aint upon his. Majesty, sitter
the bulletins ceased ?',--Not till a relapse tuuttpface.
A 'elapse, then
.did, in point-of faCi, take place,
after the illness in the year 1801 )---A relapse took
place, after the bulletins ceas.d.

. 'D you think- the apprehen4ort on the mind of a
palieui, of the recurrence of mental malady, atter
Apt ate,' attacks, has any and what effect in pro-
tikicitig a renewal e,i should-t bink
it , %k,c)._4ld make tile pativitt more susceptible of the
ot such. e,xternal cause's,as would produ;:e
tht, cilicast,:, • -

\Vas it ou the sante day apt the Lord
and Mr. Percetd saw the King, wh;ch you hate
siatt:d lb be, acquitting to your recollection,. the
2&Jli day of October ?—lt teas slot the same tidy ; I
do hut the pecisely.

- • ,
Yuct Wive ;ha! you_enter*ain very. high ex-
carillons of the King's recot try ; state the gounds
00 which ih:,se expectations -are founded ?—I find
no injury done to the faculties.hy his dis-
ease hitherto; and I do uo observe any !dilute in
his Majestfsconstilu:ion.

NVisat interval way thee, between the cessation Of
the bulletins and the relap,e ?—I late no means of
ascertaining, at this moment, when the bulletins
cca -ed.

Withdrew.

What longth,of time, do you conceive, took place,
between ;lie cessation of 'the butletins-and th re-
lapse ?—I have a perfect recolleCtion of the relapse,
but I have no recollection when the bulletins
ceased.

Dr. ROEERT DARLING WILLIS called iii, and

examined.

.H:S any atne,ndment already taken place in :he
course of his Miehty's disorder ; and dues the aps
pearance of such \amendment continue at present ?
—A coniiderable.ainendrnent has taken place final
ths.contii,encernent of his Majesty's disorder; %%hid)
still conti..nes.

Between the cessation of the bulletins, and the
relapse, did his •. Majesiy transact publ,c, business
with his servants ? His Majesty's servants had ac-
cess to him.

What ditlerk nce is there, if any,• between the
state of hiS Majesty at present, and that in which
he Was,,ks hen you wk re examined before the Privy
Council ?—ft is extremely difficult to measure de-
grees of a coinplaint of this sort ; the character of it
has, in some measure, changed ; but I,think his Ma-
jesty, upon the whole, full as well now, as when I
was,exatnined betore'the Privy Council. .
Did you ea e r attend his Majesty .before, in corn-
`,"iaints of this kind ?—ln the year 1.801.
Is the character of the present complaint tle same
as that in the- year 1801 ?—ln the commencement
it was exactly similar.
Ilotiv, .in its progress_?—ln its,progress also.
Do yoncoiiceive th.a his Majesty's increased age,
.since that period, is at alt likely .to influence, one
way or the other, his ultimate recovery ?—Judging
from the symptoms of the case,
sI have nu reason to
think the age will have any infidedce.
Do you think the defects of his Majesty's sight
will, have any influence, one way or other,
.on his
ultimate recovery anti: it may be the means of
retarding, ,his secuvery, but not of,preventing his ul-
timate recovery. .

• Had they access after the usual manner, without
the presence or permission of any medical attend-
ant, or any person deptited by any medical attend-
ant ?—Certainly.
Nobody , was ever present at the time the inter-
views-took place between his Majesty and'his, ber-
- .
•
vants ?-'--Not to my knowledge.
When, and where, did the relapse decidedly shew
itself?—At the Queen's house, on thc 14th or 1.5t11
of AI arcii.

By whom was it Est perceived ?•--I really cannot
call that to my recollection.
H.•d you been in the habit of visiting the King,
occasionally, from the time of the CessatiOn. of the
bulletins, to the period of the relipSe'necipc,,cfly tak-
ing place I—l had not ceased to see the King daily.,
Whe-ii did you, yourself, perceive tbe,Symptoms
of a decided relapse in the King 1-1 presume, ti-
ther on that evening or the next morning.
How long did that relapse continue ?—But a very
shoit time with any violence.
How long was it, before his TALijeity was, restored
to the slate in which the Physician, had reported
him to be perfectly recovered ?--It is impossible for
me to charty my memory with the number of days,
at this disiat:ce of time; to the best of my tecollec-
lion a few days only.

Do you think that
,his Majesty's increased sip
dill have any influetice,upon thr dorai ion of the dis-
order ?-1.0 no, consider that, in this instance, toe
age will have any influence uucn► the. disorder.

When did you.diicontinue your attendance upon
the King, altogether, in the year 1801 the 3d
01 June.

Have ).ou ever net with a case, in your practice,
whicii you consider as parallel to,that of his Mejes-
ty,?—lf age is necessary to thake .op the parallci,i
perliaps not.

Had the King's hurry, which you have described,
entirely ceased before you ceased'attending upon the
King ?—i think not entirely:

klave you ever known a person; as old as his
Majesty, and with the sa►ue delea of sight, recover
from a derangement of mind ?—I have never seen a
person, at his Majesty's, age, labouring under a si-
milar complaint to his Majesty's, taking
,all the eh--
cunistanees of the comp' tint to,,,,ether.
' the genewl run of Lases which have come with-

Do you conceive ihose hurries were vestiges •f,
and dependent upon, the mental compLnut of the
King ?—Ceitainly.

When you speak of the King's recovery, for the
purpose of transacting public bu4iness, do you un-
derstand it in the same way as you would the sane

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Chancellor's admission, I proposed going over tcitbe
King, to see itr what state of expectation his Ma;
jest), was ; k►►owing that he had been appiistd
the Chancellor's vi,it to 'Windsor. I found hitt)
then in such a state of expectation, that it was
doubt whether as much irritation would not ati4
froin keeping the Chancellor away, as from admit-
ling and [ tbe►efore assented, a$ choice
'evils, that the Chancellor sh,tuldso in.
Having stated that his Majesty's complaint i,.
more nearly allied to del►rium than insantiy, sJI
you have the goodntas to mate whether, in yotg
opinion, it is.on that account more easily cured ?-"
On that account I think it much more easily 'Cured,
Da you think it has on the mind of his Mjegty 1
—I have no reason to think that it kis.
Are rellpses more to be apprehended on the re'
enr►ence of the malady than after the retiod of tt►e
first attack ?—I do. not know that it is, necessarilp
to be looked (Or; it hay certainly taken place in thi4
intgance.

If a patient had been under your care more floor
‘
once, woukl you not expect the return of 11int pa'
tient more than after the firs,att.ick

Dr. MATTHEW BAILLIE, agail called in.
The following extraa from the former evidence
of Dr. Baillie wa4 read :
" When were you first called in, to see the
'King r'-" I believe it was the 25th of Udober."
Dr. Baillie.—l wish to state, that I find it %-"ai
the 26th of °Sober. I spoke to his M, j. sty oft
the 25th; but not formally, although, it was aooot
his health.
On the 25th, When you attended the King, not
in the capacity in which you subcquently atiended
him, did you observe.any thing raiiicalur in his M.).-
twinner ?-1-le was huriied In his minlier..
h is the obseriation that I have mode is u;
• memorandum ;" that his
.rlse was at • go, and H;
.conversation was bur rii.d, and a tkattFoly
that -is, passing from one thing a little y;iv
another : that was at three o'clock. -
On-the 26th, the Committee is to understand,
the King's malady was estabrohed ?—I saw hall
forniaily as a Physician, .on the,26,11: hiSonversa-
tion Then was certainly very mu.:b.hturried but I
see in my memorandum, that it was not irr-itionah
,satthongii
,hurtied,', and not very well mlct-led.
not. have trusted to my meinory" for that, but
I find that in My mernorandum-book on that day.
Did yon think on the 26th, from what yoa ob-1.
served in his Majesty, that he was capable of con'
eluting business.—l really cannot give a very ac'
curate answer to Via: question ; I should rat her think
that he Was not capable; but I would not take upon
me to say that Um!. a perfectly accurate answer.
The following extras from the former -evidence
of Dr. Millie,. was read :—"_ Have any of the Itoy3l
Family Seca the. King since his indisposition ?"-.1
" No;, as far as I know : I believe at the time he
was beginning to be hurried at first, his family sa,S
pile ; hut since the disease establislietf its-character,
I believe none of the 'Royal have seen hint;
I believe nobody since tl 25th of October."
Dr, widl to" state, by way of coffer'
flop, that the Queen and three of the Princesses sof
the King on the 27th of October. The cluzen,
heal if, (that is,
.without the Princesses), saw t,ll°
King for a little time on thq 28th October and
I understand likewise upon the egtb, for a eat

Since you have been in attendance,
.in whole
custody has the King-been ; and in whose custOdi;
do you apprehend his Majesty to he now .?-4stioull4
consider that the King was principally in the c4'
'tody (if I may use the phrase) of Dr. Robert
lis If lam asked whether be is exclusively in the
custody of Dr. Robert Willis, I should say Du;
that he takes in a great measure the managemelli
of the persons that. are more immediately about his
Majesty's person.; but sometimes directions have
been given by the other Physicians.
When were you first in the habit Of seeing the
Xing ?-1 first saw the Princess Amelia on the 2 6114
of December last; and every time that I saw the
Princess Amelia, as far.ds I reccillect, I was With
the King afterwards, so as to have a good deal on
'conversation with his Majesty.
From the period at which you began to be ho"
floured with conversations with the King on that
subje6t, did you' at any time before you were coo
suited by his Majesty on the 25th of Odober, per-
ceive any of that hurry and particularity Of manner
which you have described yourself to Lave noted
dovvn on the 25th of October ?—lt occurred, I be
lie, e, two or tjiree times, but not in any very strong
degree ; enough for me to remark it ; but I under
stand it was more remarked by those who knell
him better, than it was by me, not being so per
featly well acquainted with his natural manner Y;
those who had been in the habit of living with biiii
a great deal.
The following extra& from the, former evidence a
Dr. Baillie was read ;—" Has any person, other that].
the Royal Family, or fps pages or,attendants, seen
the King, since you
.have been in attendance
his Majesty 1' " Yes, the Lord Chancellor saw ill'
Majesty the day before, yesterday.''
":'Doctor Baillte.—l wish to add, that the Lard
Chancellor saw his Majesty also on the Ist of S°,#
vember, and that Mr. Poteval saw him 'on the-')"''
of October.

Do you molleet- whether Mr. Porreval sew 114
King on any other day 17--1 'cannot call tile circull•
stance clistinaly to my recontction..
When did you last see the, King ?-1: saw IS
King this morning.
What was the state of his Mfl3esty's health V
He was, upon the whole, a Hale better, I thot4lit'i
this morning his pulse was ICiS freTleaL than
has been for the last two or three days.
From any thing you have seen since you we
last before this. Committee, can you form any CO
jedure as to the period of the recovery of or,,
King, ?—I can form no conjecture whateverrce
consequence of the distance of time between t-e
two exaioinatit.ns. I think fully as Eivoursiq,c,
the King to-day, as I Aid when I was examined
fore.
Can you form any distinct opinion of the pert
of the King's recovery now I cannot: