The Sun.
London, England, 1810-03-17 00:00:00

ORDNANCE EXPENDITURE.

Mr. PARNELL thought the' House would not do
their duty to the -country if the); failed to inquire
into. the manner in which the surins voted in that
House were expended. He WiShed for the ac-
,counts of the sums expfinded in the'last,. year for
the Ordnance. The ,information already before
_the
146usewas no( *satisfaaory, and he was therefOre of
opinion they ought not to vote the sums called for
tAI they were put; in pcssession "of. the manner in
-which those vowed last year had been- expended.-,r
.concrud'ed, by moving for accounts-of all the
sums expended. of 11,15 e.• voted .fOr the Ordnance
Office last' year for services .perforniedand to be per-
formed 'for , 1809 distinguishing each head.ot ser-1
Vice as far as the ,ame could he. made out. .

' ,Mr. A. C6OPER had butrone obj:Mton to 'the mo-
tion, which was that. It was impossible to make up
the 'accounts, go as to gige 'an,accurate total of the
sum expeixled in the last year:
Sir T. TVETON 9b3erked the accounts were only
required, as far " as-the'same could be made out;".
that' was as complete an acfcciunt,as could be furnish-
ed. He, 110.Kerttr, did tiot think,. had the motion
been-couched in 'different terms, it would have been
unreasonable ; 'when, they wanted sums from Pailia-
Mem they could make up,'something_ like an esti-
mate. 'He held in his hand a .return sumspended from Quebec-and Demerary, in.which.surnS
were put down for current services and continge,ti
cies. Ministers ought not,to admit, such 7.Cconius.
The motion ought to -be coMplied with as far,as it
Was possible to comply with it.
Mr. LONG opposed the_Motion, on the grounds of
its being impraditable, to produce the accounts call-
ed 'tor, or. to give,such inforniation at present as
could lead to-any useful result. .

Mr.,CaarAty thought the accounts ought .to -be
laid before Parliament, as far -as the same could be
made out-, If the. accounts of
.1 sag could not be
proch.ced, they ought at least to give those o 1808.
The Honourable Gentleman then made, some re
Marks...on the sum expended. for . public building's,
780,000 L,
- Mr. WARDLE accused Ministers of backwardness
to, produce papers voted,. and wished' to know why
the papers relating to• the expenses of the corps
of artilkry-drivers, which hid been voted in June
List„ and gain called fat' in the present SessiOn,- had.
not ben produced. He thought it might be %%ell
to haveia sta:ed period in every year for laying the
ordnance accounts before the House.

Tto CIIANPELLOR, of the EXCIIEQIIER thought
the iefle6tioni made .ott Ministers a, to their .reluc-
tance to Live inforination, would be best answeted
by a reference to the Oaily prafticN of the present
Adn'Unktriition. He Would ask, if ever there w
per.;od wilt n, a" greater disraAtion existed to give
eatery faeiility to the produttion of papers called for]
than dm- which inarktti the cunc4 of his .11/Ljes-
ly!s preseA Ministe'rs ? When such Motions es that
before t Hou,c were made, and Gentlemen, taikea
of its ottngiincunibent upon MinisierS to give sitelt and
such accciunts, and of their conduct being seriously"
reprchtnsible,tor itholding otheis, they Ought to
bear in their minds, th,A the responsiblity did not
rest with Mipisters, but with Pariiamen.t.: It was that
leclouse that granted, or refused the qaperi called. for.,
Ministers did tiot state why they thought 'Mph- pro-
,duetintr-.wlould be inconvenient; they, gave'
leas-ots why they w_ished them not to be prciduced.;
those 'reasons convinced the Hupse of

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priefy of granting 'them, or they were not rernse,t,— their notes, and thus elude the expence-oe'poitage; Gentlemen to come, several years after, when the
An 'Honourable -Member had sta,ed, that whett e The Hon. Member concluded by mentioning, that ' danger had entirely subsided; and sav, " ou haVe
money was wanted, something like an estirnatecoeld 1 conntry Bankers, as they were wiehuut anecapitale., gone to too great an exeence upon thwe Martello
be produced, as accounts of expences' had been laid :of conserpence, often re-issue their notes, end in -; Toe.-ers aif you had not been in .sucit a Burry you
before that
_House from Quebec and Demerara. -If ' this inannethavoid paying duty again-. ,He thereforle 'night have built theist mueli cheaper." This 'kind
-certain bills-wertasent- over for payment, they iniglit voted abolition of this duty. - . .
of reaeoitinse appeaied, (et Itim to be very unfa r bee
certaiely be produced, bot it did pot' fellow- because-
• Mr. WHARTON, in explanation; regretted that he "cause if l‘faisters had, not, at the -time he vies
- one item. was known that they could give the whole * could not satisfy the Hon. MeMber.a-s to the parti'-' hiding to, complied with the wishes..of the House
of the annual expenditure ofthose places. Bills for . etthiesstefethe 'Posy-Office Duty; but thin-he believed and.
of the Country, they would have been accused
Services per-farmed in 1807. and 1808 had been paid in it was increased last year to the amount of 60,0001. 'of criminal neele&. Lillie next. oint to 'which his
, 1809. That he dr:tight was a'demonsttatiori of the" The CHANCELLOR 01 tliO EXCHEQUER observed,. l_Honourable Friend had adverted, NiZ. the propriety
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impossibility of producing the accounts of
the- total - ' thatethe only incoevenience. of -the Hon.
_Gentle- of having some one controuling power over all the
, expenditure for 1809, as it must be seen the, whole man's might t:tr,remedied by his having'one peuad's De:partments, he .peifeelly egreed ; but it appeared
tnieht not be known till 1811. But an Hon. Gent.' worth of stemps in his bursau. That such a loss es.
.to-him that his Honourable Friend had greatly mis-
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.had said., if the accounts of 1809 could not be made this would be too severely felt, and if abolished, it taken the course of office- upon this subject: ' Every,
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out, those of 1808 might be pfechced. That was should be supplied by some other tax. • • , • department ought to be, and was, under the don-
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in etfed.changtog the, questions and to the motion - Mr. Gthiss explained, and the questiorebeing puts trouleof the Primes Minister; atid his Hon. Friend
so modified, be should have no ohjerition. With res- the orieinal merlon was negatived, and the amend was greatly,.mistaken if -he supposed-that the Ord-
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ped- to what had been -Sill& as to the 780,0001. ex- Went culled without a division,. , Hance had not always been tinder the controul of
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permed on public buildings, it was to be remembered - NatJ that those works were conemenced soine yearS ago, ORDNANCE ESTINIAT4S. the persenat the head of his Majesty's Councils.--
Mr. LUSHINGTON brought up the Report of- the [here Mr. Bar?hes and Mr. Haskisson shook their
when the country was menaced with an invasion.
hettls.]--His HotioUrab!e Friend, by shaking his
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{Committeeof Supply on the Ordnance
The works then began were not all completed, and On
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heade seemed • te doubt the.'faet, and he observed
the ques ion.b ing pu , .
after expending such immense sums as bad been ex-
thet the shake hadebeen repeated by another Hun.
Mr. BANKES rose- and observed, that there was "
pended on those now in, progress,woUld it be well to in the Ordnance n' - - ''
__epartment a great degree of ex- . . e
throw all away by suffering them to remain in a use- to
financial knOwledge, but still he maintained the ac-
less and utifinishedstate ) travazance • yet millet was but justice to say to the
'curacy of his assertion: - When he was Clef is,of the
When motions. were Hee,-Gerei•-ean on the other side,. that in theittat
'made for accounts so immensely voluminous, Gen-
Lich diminished ; but•if there . Ordnance, it was his unitortn . pradice to go with
year it h h.-4•een m
tramen ought to remember that' was 'a heavy burden.
the Estitnate in his hand .to the First Lord of the
was 'one-situ •more taken from those. expencoss
-to the offices whose provir.ce ittnight be to furnish
Treasury, and to go through• every part of it- with
there would more benefit • aactue, and more Would
them, and 'that consequently in write instances they
him, and upon the decision of the First. Lord of the
'be saved, than would compensate for tir services in
, Treasury the Estimates Were feinted. It-Miglit be
could not be produced -fora considerable length of
lavished. He would now en-
,said, that the Estimates were presented in such a
time. He- had no -ohjedioo to the production of the which they Were
ter lulls% into the subject, but' would call the atten-
accouots.for 1808, as far as ihe same could be made
'manner, thet *the' Prime Mini-,ter could not -refuse
tion of the House to a. few points. He; corm-acne- .--rn
out; mid when the immense details. of „those
,ace
ed by remarking the increase. of fortifications' which'' his assent to them; but be begged Icaye to deity the
counts Were once produced, 'Gentlemen would be
the West India '' fad. - The 'Board of Ordnance, in their intimate,
I were in Newfoundland and in
able to judge whether or not the utility of their proe
stated what they conceived to be necessary for the
Islands, places so little subject to i mediete.cone -.
dudion was - equal to the' titnee and eepence it 's • , ie. I. -, e . such J, •s. rn -e. public sr, vii and they also submitted eheir opinion •
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...roue water) rendered projects extremely an- . •
cost. , • . ,
by for6fica- , to the - First Lod of the "Freasury. This gave Wait
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gerous :- the system of retaining places
I\4', PARNELL had not called for accounts of else • • - ' '•• - • -- ran opporninity of canvassing every part of the Esti-
non was altogether culpahle and disadvantageous, •
wlrleeexpenditure 0f.,1809, but merely for accounts situated as we are. He ' 'tentiontd the heavy . mate,• of objecting to any particular articL, or of
of sums actually Paid. .He only asked- for the sums • ' nest 1-1
charge ot the draught horses and drivers; and
‘hpaid,", not. ta applied" to ,particelee. services.;- he
'proceeded to expatiate 'on the. expences incurred . public service, devote so large • a sum to . the
therefore thought' the accounts, he called. foh of a
He. Ordnance, and that therefore the Estimate must
by the
.internal defence of this ceuntry.
Very simple nature. He did not exped the econuti_
Oundetnned the haste Which au 'almost women- be redliced. , if any part appeared doubtful,
could be laid :before the House to-tithe
he •
certainly the persons' at the head .of the Ord-
tary fear of ins esion occeasioned, when sums :'
would give a while session,. if it.tvere.nc,c'essary, for
were unjustifiably expended', and projects hastily , !lance Deparinent we re the-most proper, froni`theie
O. eit produhtion,•buthhe fhought 't lie sooner they
considered, and- as hastily ; pursued. Thd..next situetion. and experience, to consult upon the iubjeet.
were produced the better, that -the country might
point he complained! -of was, the mode -of con- - He we's not aware of any other controul which the
judge of the manner in which their money was ex-
duaing busi , -(lie • • •I -d essronents of First Lord el the Trealury could. have over the dile.
ne„ss in
pended. -
the Government. He approved of the spirit ferent departments; much must of course be left to
After a short conversation. between Mr. Parnell -
the pen!otis at the head of. them, but rte woilid eine
3' of ethulation which they cherished, but reprobltede.
Mr. A. Cooper, -and other HonrMembers, a division • .e• eh, he •
- its consegusgegloiribey being induced to Spare no' dertakeio sly, that no Master-Getteral of the OrdA
took place, when the numbers were— .
expense in any -• ct d • heedlessly lavish
piojee , au tonance ever laid mat shilling of the pubtic Money
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Ayes - - - - he .
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Noes - - '57•.,i
• away immense sums. All this, he -said, was the : without the previous. perinissien kof tee rst Lord
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The motion of course wes le t. resulteof no corvroni• being placed over them. He of the Treasury. His, Hon. "Friend had stated that •
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then observed, thst. an estimate ought to exhibit all - his o inion before any great work was- uuder-
in p , ,
On re-entering .the Gallery,' -We found ' Mr.
the services which weer to be performed, together taken; the generai-plan and theestimate of the whole:
WARDLE inquiring why the Papers he halrf moved
expenc7 ahould be laid' before . Parhatnetit. In this
with the exaht -sums, necessary . for such serviceSe
for had been delayed, and-when-they would be pre-
but in the,piesent, each item was not fairly slicer- opinion he. entirety concurred, and tie eloped' that in
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that. practice would be adopted.. But I
de to cover another •In these esti•-•
ficd but- one mei ~ . . . future. .
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' . -.Mr. A.- COOPER accotinted for the delay, but
. M, noon was :vale I the slims exoended wished to observe, that in producing the Estimates
mates no .
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Could not precisely state, when- they would .be pro-
in the buildings of offices which is itself an in- in the present. form, neither he not his- Hon.
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diced.
- . ---,. •,• -. , stance of inaccuracy' ; likeeVise there 1.-%as en cities, Friend near him, had ietroduced uer' thing novel
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Mr. SHERIDAN gave notice, that he would, on • sion.of i viwder mill which is now ereoting. Last toe prectice had always-been so ; but it was ittiprov-
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Friday submit a motion to the. House on the coo- • year there ' Was six hundred thou Sand pouts ing; and he hoped the linProVeinent would ue carried
dud of Ministers .with resped to the war in Spain : takeo forMe; 1 tt •I • , ted -t a ',still (Treater extent. I-1 • thou' 'hi 11). I -tore
se tpetre, w lic 1 was ,expended _ln o. , , ..,. k. 6 , et, ,
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and rortugele
' other services which were not
_estituatcd.' The eiviL that, his Hoe. Friend °ought nor, in candour to
The ClieeCEneott of the I'. ee'neevre t!.'01:1;;Ist, -s:-:rVia.'S; tout were oneetlerd „lower than was i throw out these -obsertak-ions,' because wire,' they
that as,all the Papers relating t (tee wet irjght be n,- • , soecitied.' 'The Duke.oll Rit Imidnd, •he said, .at . e rnede Without andi , they d
cesenyet he perheitmesi
lie -bed na wee esematere, :is the end of the Arnsek an.cat, com'msneed improve. mu
were
improper ' effectan uponeXplthion
e puuliche u.
•He
it dict not -afthr -le for their yr,,ditetion. . meters iii the Ordnattee ;:it. con intl.: d improving to ' hoped however to see the practice, recoteMended• by,
Ali-. Snett ,plied f that his titotion would Ir
d , the esesent iii-ri., Lit still Emelt was _lvliting, yet, his Hon. Friend, adopted, whenever it could be
be lor a -dir ',toe on Miiiieters, the Papers tsie
Lie coneeiVed that it was absolOtely necessary, first. I done consistently with. the public tetlety, because
in t eany
.beebre (hem wefts sufficiestt aud it Mere for.the•Exectifive Goaeroment, and secondly fOr that : there might be cases in which it would he very itn=
were produced. be would Hist tfeuble himself to read House; to inquire; not what- *as waiiting, hut what proper to acquaint the enemy willi the whole of the
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ahem. theyenidd do ks ithout. - . works you intended to erect, such fer, ins.aoce as the
Mr. TIERNEY, in the absense of, ii Noble Friend Mr. WEeecseee- POLE said, that hating on.a for- ' fortification of an Island, &c. Some people' might
.(-Lorrt-l'Orcliester);-gaye no ice it wa• t , eintention ithee night oschhieci so-inuch of the attention of the tbink it magnanimous to Cell an enemy every thing
of limit _Noble Lord to stibtrin a p:,,pos.ition to the , Hou-e up ,it this,'Ssibjed, he sheuld not now have you ware going•-to de, but he thought., otherwise --
House' on the condud of Minis tee s, e ith resped• ! risen, 'if •he h ,c/' not felt 'himself. span icularly called i His Huth Friend had objected to the inaccuracy '
to the Expedition to, the Scheldt, -en Monday the • tipon by his Hon.-Friend who had jute sat doyen.= !v. ith which the Estimates were drawn up. To this
21h instant. -
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Sir MARK: Noon was of opinioh tile'
.. respecting the preptlety of
.curtailing tbe expences •
•.., cular point had been selected to weich thet-objec--
wbuldloe welideleired for a week. aster that period, 'of the Ortinance'llepartment in the 'West Indies, tiore applied.. The mode of, framing the Estimates
as the :Inquiry had exceeded by ten days the period
.he l-fn
p` •-y agreed with hint ; but he begged leave ! was
at which it as expelled
,' to apply to the competent Authorities viz. ,o
expelled to terminaie; , , •to say, that this had long 'been a subject of grave ;the Engineer, Ste.. to deliver 'in Estiteates of every
. ! On the motion of Mr. a ATHLIRsT, a returo•of the and seriotis eonsideration whit theßoardofOrtinance, ; work which they were. to ulidertake ,and. when
. . tran‘ports kept for-the reception of the sick, and con:. but toe.difficultye4 establishing an effeelual -check ' the plan and estimate were approved te, they were'
ealescent at Walcheren, froth the 14th of September and controul ueie-. this expenditure, in-the -West ordered -to proceed with the Work, and not, to ex-
to the 16th of Odober ; and also a retuiteot the dif- Indies, was very great. He wee and cow.alescent, fully sensible that ceed the ek
ferentrp tena.e. He was' sorry, i o vever; to say,
corps, sick ettibi rlied in ' a radleal reform in the West Indies was necessary, ; that theseorders were very 'seldom obeyed ; but it
them, were ordered to be laid before the'Huse•es.
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Mr..WHITI3READ M;Aed that ataA•.ldress be pte.,,,,,:, (hat paced its the House that night, for it bad long ! men iinagined. It was very easy for Gentlemen id;
seated to his- Majesty, that he would be gettieesly /I cog
im,ed an
his attention, and the anxious consideration • fcy that they posi•essed a great deal of knoWledge. '
pleesed to order copies of the Cerre•porideete be-- of diff..-rent li..!ards of Ordnauese as Honourable : upon these •When a. ent subjects. G 1
•eman read an
tweed his _Ministers-and Lori Welleigton• relave to Feiend had spoken with aperubation of the redue- ' Ordnance EstiMate, he fancied himself art Engie
the Campaign in Spain. and Portugal tube laid hekne ,;ion which had been made this year in the 01-40.ance • neer. When-lie read the .Navy •or the Army ees-te.
the House;i and for several aeon' k'apers and Ex- -Jastirneseeesei reduction of near one ..m4lion fled a - mines,. he immediate-1 h - ,e 1 exi if
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tracts.—Ordered.
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• ~BANKERS' DRAFTS BILL.- eio dcribt chit a.. fat Cher reduction cf one-fifth or ,c de pon9 a!ty , thing re .i to ihese services then'
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Mr • GILES moved •the ()icier of the. Day for:the oue-sixth thight be meek, woheett any injury to the rhdset-who Vad devoted 'years of their laves to the
public seeieuhe.- 'He had the !italics! Opinion of his study of these subjects. It Wai an easy thing' tor
second reeding-of the Bankoe's Draft Bill. Titus was e
Hon auratffe Frie (' • slid te-s and knee vet , well.' en•ti- '
nI s , .• , 1 G (ellen to-complain, buf•they were by nomeans
I for the purpose of taking away certain duties on the , .
the wetglit'whien he p,,,sessed jo the Hope and in acv re of . the difficulty of keeping the expences
ekenitiatice of nte-ney,.agree.a6l.:f. to au Act passtei its •
thcereietetof‘his ptesent Majesty; prohibiting the thd Couture, but
nethought it would be emelt bet- within the Estimates'. It was easy, for them to say,
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sending-an}. sum. of money, exceeding the distafice . ter if, •in 5 rad of making• such general aster tens, !'t Your estimate was so much,' 'tree your exenee
''of ten miles, withetit a stamp. The Hon. Mtenber ' his-HOD. -Friend had p,„i [,,,d out d!iiii!ii2.lly in
.what exceeds it by so much, and- therefore your! eads
principally his argurnents•on the danger of ': part of 'tie Esiimetes shat saving could be made.—., - ought
,th be 'mit off." But he was sere', that Gen-
encouraging the existence of Country -Banks. ' He ' It WaS no light matter, when a tioll.tleman of the • Heinen would, upon reflection, see the absurdity as
charatter and.weigbrof hi onourable Voeristmade Well as the injUetice of th:it mode of 'reasoning. He
mentidned that there werte at present 800, which
circulated ,upwards of sixteen millions of notes. such assertions,' weeeee., sting out
,distitially'the was surprised to kid twc.hGentleriihn of so much in-
' l'heincenveniencebresulting fain) this measure was groullas kee
etkAsney_ were made-eh e,iese such . forMittion and acuteness as the two Gentlemen on
very great,' inasmuch ,as .it •compqed Gentlemen asseratits were only esae`dsted to raise Oefounded -the ether side of ;the House
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(Mr. B:inkes arid Mr.
. either to. send up to tosses for post, bills, or put their , suspicions in the country. If his Honourable ihriend. Whitbread) fall. i• to such in errer reseeding cur.
_ . u___ s.ue where any saving could tie niadQ, con- rent services
,aril contiegenciee. The,
lien.
moneyintO one' of those ',Banks : the
.frequency of 6 Id i ''
whose failure is 'always productive of censequences i
s.stelit'es .with ~lie priolic set-vice, he was-sure the ber then. proceeded to explain the nature of those '
thcemost fatal—Besides the necesiity of tradieg- on . Board
,ef Osdnenee would listen to hat -.lfeith plea- brads in-the Estimates, and be illustrated ills ex la.
credit by encouraging cduntry banks would be in.. would willingly adopt' his so ',es • -
sere, and -shoo.dhad ge bens.— oetionby saying/ that if, for instance 40001. had .'
creased; nor did' he coneeive why • the trade of' beengranted
His 'Honourable Fneet next alluded to', the
th.e-City. should be preceded, while that of the , subjeet of the Martell° Towels, and to, Rift-toiling cies. of , Demerara, and itot.arned4nut toat the Bids'
.country is exposed to every (Jaeger resulting from,
which had,fallen from` him (Mr. Pole) on a former . • drewn frern, thence amounted to.
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60001. he should in
this piaetice. The duty itself was, unproiludive, night oil disc subject. He must aeain reqr..eitt of the -: his evils-late charge the extra 20'0011 under the head
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and totally filed in the end for which it was he- - : Hum; -')ten eoeside:ing; the subjs.& of the Ali. 01 the unprOvided for current services "and contingen- f
tended. On those grounds he toted for its abuli- tellp T:owet:se to' aery back its reeolie&ioo to the , cies; ,and under the head of current. services end
tion- - ' - -- - tithe and h) the circumstances under wtich they : coneiegencies, he shouht estimate
as accurately as
Mr. WHARToN referred the Hen. Memher tb the were.ereded. Gentlemen :oust recollect, that there , possible what woeid tb© probably'
wane:d. The -'
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table, 'on which, lay papers, proVing the product of O• prfiailed at, that time a general alarm upon. the stub- next point to which his'Hon. Foetid ed, cried was,
,this duty to be 30,0mA. in one yearh .it was not ex= e 30ex Of invastoe,—that an Honourable General ''
thatein the.eeeount of the liit4h Vote of Credit there
peclient that . such a turn should be taken frohn the , (Crawford) almost -deilylo theft-louse, recon:rnend- : appeared a sum expetuted-for Ordnance Services.
Exchequer. He therefore' moved, as ,an :Amend- : edeheFoptiety of erecting MartrlhiTowers,---teet 'He would explain to his Hon. Friend how 'this hap-
merit, that the furt herconSideration of this question that ion was enforced by many other•Geetlemee.- pehed. When.. Lord Cat•licart was Commkinder in '
be p(stponed to 't his, day six heontbs, .. •,' effsose jedgmeets were enteled to great respett,--ein eChiel, and Mr. 'Wickham '$- 't - • Lord ,
t..pre aij to the . •
Mr. DENT, in support of, the•queStion,. conceive i .St ore, 'that there was such a general 'feeling in. the i Lieutenant in Ireland, it was thought proper totats
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:• this duty eo.be a sort of premium fhr'the setting up ; •countyy upon the necessity of adop:ing theplaii of i smile measures to- put that country in a 'state of-eee '
of country banks. . ' He alltided to the custom e -Marta° ,Towers, that
.Ministers were in a :manner leeeee 40 some field works wore iirdered.to be e ,n..
Which those bankers adopt of having an iron cheet, fort cf:to adept this measure, and to execute it-with struded, ' liN. Which they wt-re,- em I ()leered to d .:w a'
in the -different waggons,.., by which they convey - ail' pcisiitee. raptaity. • It . was not• therefore lair for i upon the.lrill Tteasury. 'He thought that -was .:i- -
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. proper, and remonstrated against it at the tiMe; )IPit
in vain, the works went .on, and some of ihesefield.
.works consisted of Martell° Towers, without- the
confroul of the Ordnance, and the,. money was
drawn from the Irish Treasury. When he went to
''lre:land, a few. months ago, an application was made
to him for money for these works, but he refused. to
grant a farthing, and they were now, as they
ought to be; under the direaiun' of the Board of
Ordnance. 'Mr. Pole concluded with observing,
that such was the accuracy with which the accounts
"of the, Ordnance were kept, that it was possible in
fii,e minutes to tell, what sum had been voted for any
service, and what had been expended ; and when-
ever any service was closed, the surplus money, if
any remained, was carried to the public account.
Mr. HUSKISSON defended his sentiments on a for-
mer night with respect to the financial system, and
contended that something ought to be done to form
a permanent system so as to meet the exigencies of
the war, which might be carried on for some time.
It was therefore necessary that Government sh-uuld
be apprised to what extent the resources of the
country would enable them to carry on the contest.
He recommended a scale of expeiZture suited to
that economy which was desirable. In furtherance
of this opinion, he adverted to several of the items
estimates which he considered deserving of
lice ; but at the same time, vas disposed to admit.
that his Right Hon. Friend (Mr. Pule) was in-
clined 'to adopt those principles which hie wished to
ibtulcate..

General TARLETON considered the fortifications,
upon-which some Gentlemen depended greatly, were
ustless, particularly Martello Towers. Upon this
subject of the detence, he was firmly of opinion,
that if engineers were consulted they would not ap-
prove of these works.
• Mr. WHITBREAD, in allusion to what had fallen
from the flight Hun. Gentleman (Mr. Pole), de-
._ clared, that he (Mr. ,W.) neither fancitd himself a
General, an Admiral, or an Engineer, but
.bad ex-
amined the became his duty as a
Member of Parliament. Wnit rc,pct to the es-.
limates, he had explain-d them minutely, and was
6ompletely igr -,rant of what could be meant ty
Ile
Current services and contingencies." He had
starched to discirver the meaning, but could not-
•6l-1(1 any explanation. 'llse Honourable Gentleman
thought that estimates should hate been laid before
the House of the expence of the Alartello Towers.
44 o,•ticino-p works of defence he mentioned the Mt-
litary Canal, which, in the opinion of military men,
'as,good for nothing, and deprecated the building
13,.f houses at a great expence for Storekeepers at
; Yveedea Beek.
Mr. A. COOPER, in answer to the Hon. Gentle-
Ulance, explained the nature of contingencies and
turrent services, and defended the estimates.
The resolutions were read and agreed to.—The
utl;er Orders of the aiy were then disposed of and
4t Eleven o'dock-the House Adjoarrn-d.

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ws mentioned yesterday the arrival of a Flag of
A'rtice, and the subjoined Letter from our Dover C,or---
l'esPondent, proves the accuracy of our information,
4' soon, however, as' it was known that-a kiag of
Truce had Arrived, it was immediately reported that
karshal DUROC had come over with a Letter from
11UONAPARTE to his Majesty. It Will, be recolleged
that the foreign Papers mentioned, a short time since,
that it was the intention of BLJONAPARTE to write
t° hl5 Majesty respealing the future fate oldie Elec-
t Orate 'of Hanover, and to' send his favourite, Du-
Il°;to this country. Ttti'S statement in the Foreign
p`Teri gave rise to the report to which we have
'll'aded. The f:la that the Cherokee sloop of
1-va
k Ali in to ith a vessel frOm -Boulogne, 110/in on
u°?,rd dispatches for the Transport Board; these dis-
PatelleS WON landed at Dover,. on 'Liiursday night,

and were. immediately forwardled to London. ft
seems, however,- to be the general opinion that,
through the medium of a communication to the
Transport Board, 11110NAPARTE has takkm the oppor-
tunity of making some proposition of a pacific nature.
We are inclined to adopt this opinion ; but we do

not thihk that under all the circumstances of Europe..

at present, any Negotiation between the two coup-
tries would be likely to be attended with any success.

A Negotiation not carried on in the spirit, of peace,
and not likely to lead to a pacific result, would be
highly injurious to Great Britain., The idle Negotia-
tion which took place in- 1806;-..certainly did in a
Very great degree paralize the efforts of this country.
If, contrary:to our expeaation, contrary; to all pro-
bability, contrary to the principles
.upon which he
has hitherto invariably anted, BUONAPARTE should
be seriously disposed to conclude a permanent
awl an honourable peace, we are convinced that he_
would meet with a corresponding dispositiun on. the
part of the British Ministers; but, -on the other

hand, we are convinced that they will not suffer
themselves to become dupes to his artifices.
We do not believe that any person was landed
from the French vessel with the dispatches, but, the
story of Dui oc's arrival is without the slightest
foundation.

The following is the letter of our Dover Cor-
respondent.

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DOVER, MARCH I 6—Last night about nine, the
Cherokee sloop of war landed some dispatches, which
they took out of a vessel from Boulogne, which was
coming to this country ; they were forwarded im-
mediately by express, to London, addressed, it is
said to the Transport Board."

All the accounts from Russia continue to speak in
the strongest language of the dissatisfaaion of all
classes of the people of that Empire, at the mea-
sures of (hell- Government. The Government of
Russia allows the people no-voice inr the manage-
ment of public affairs; whenever discontent there-
fore arises to a certain extent, a Revolution may al-.
ways be apprehended, for the people have no
Innate manner of expressing their opinions: If the
Emperor ALEXANDER has not the prudence to re-
traa in time, the consequences may be most fatal to
himself. It is reported that 13110NAPARTE is going
to reward the sul mei viency and kvotion of the K-irg
of Denmark, by aiepriving him of the Duchy of Hol-
stein, which is the most valuable part of hii.Domi-
ni.,rv:. This Duchy, it is/aid, is to be given to the
Duke of Oldenberg, whose dominions are about to
b.:rinne xed to WL.tstphalia.

Lord HOLLAND yesterday, giving notice in the
House of Lords, -of a Motion relative to the Ex_

change of Prisone rs, intimated that a considerable
coolness subsists-between Lord MULGRAVE and the
rest of his Colleagues. These observations have given
rise to a report that Lord .MULGRAVE is about to
retire from the Admiralty.

Last night Dutch Papers to the 14th inst. ar-
rived. They contain an account from General Au-
GEREAU, of a battle fought between the Spanish
army under General 'O'DONNELL, and the 'French
under General SOVHAM. The French of course
claim the via-tory, but there is strong reason to doubt
their account, anal we are inclined to think that the
real fad will turn out to be, either that the French
were defeated, or that it was a drawn battle. The
French General, SOVHAM, was severely wounded.

'Yesterday the Duke of CLA REN CE arrived at Wind-
sor, on a visit to their MAJESTIES.

Yesterday the Duke of YORK paid a visit to Prin-
cess AMELIA, who, we have the satisfatiion to say,
is a little better.

- Last night his Excellency the PERSIAN AMBASSA-
DOR had a splendid assemblage at his.: house in
Mansfield-street, at which their Royal Highnesses the
Prince of WALE! anti all the ROYAL DUKES, his
Brothers, were pi esent, to pay their compliments
to the IlluStrious Stranger.. Great numbers of the
Nobility and Gentry were also visitors 'on this oc-
casion.

Yesterday morning the Duke of YORK arrived'at
Windsor, arid rode out with his MAJESTY, Prin-
cesses AUGUSTA:3EId SOPHIA, accompanied by Lady
ALBINA CUMBERLAND, Sir BRENT SPENCER, Ge-
nerals WINYARD, CARTWRIGHT, and COI: TAYLOR.
The morning proving very cold, his MAJESTY•spon
returned.

THE ORATORIO.—The seleCtion from The Ales.
siah, performed at Covent-Garden Theatre last night,
was attended by Li crowded audience. CATALANI
exerted her wonderful powers with her usual suc-
cess, .and the rest of the performers acquitted them-
selves vet), ably.
• Yeste.4day a Court of Direetors was held at the
East India House, when the ship Larkinl, of 650,
and Hope, of 53'0 tons, were taken up for the Com-
pany's service. The Court adjourned at seven o'clock,
till Tuesday next.
SINGULAR CIRCUMSTANCES ATTENDING A FOX.
CFIASE.—On Friday week, in the neighbourhood
of Colchester, as the hounds were running (as it is
supposed) a bitch lox from ThOrrington-hall wood,'
St. Osyth; soon alter they had quitted that cover, a
second (supposed to be a dog lox), was seen to leave
it,',which followed the hounds o, er Thorriiigton
common, through Hockley wood,' and Alrestord
Hall woods, when he was headed back; but not-
withstanding, he persevered, until the former fox
went to earth near Heektord bridge, a chase alto- '
getter of near fifty mites. • .