The Sun.
London, England, 1844-05-08 00:00:00

THE SUN, LONDON, WEDNESDAY MORNING, MAY 8, 1844.

President of the Board of Control, had not felt it con- t
sistent with his duty to produce those papers.
The Earl of WINCHILSEA concurred in the regret
expressed by the Noble Lord who spoke last. He
thought the Board of Directors would, on consideration,
repent the step they had taken. If the policy pursued
by Lord Ellenborough was condemned by the Board of
Directors, would they have concurred in the appoint-
ment of a member of the same party, and of the same
Cabinet, to succeed him ?
Lord CAMPBELL said that nothing could be
more unfortunate than 'the course pursued by
the Government on this occasion. It was
condemned by all parties. • It was condemned by
the supporters of the Government, the personal
friends of the Noble Lord (Lord Ellenborough), and it
was condemned by those who disapproved of their po-
licy. Ile regretted that the Government had not thought
fit to produce those papers, because the Government al-
ready, in the person of the Noble Duke, had pro-
nounced a heavy censure on the Court of Directors.
As to the appointment of Sir H. Hardinge he could
not concur with the Noble Earl who spoke last, that it
showed the contrition of the Court of Directors. He
thought the Court of Directors were treated very hardly
by the Noble Earl and his Noble and Learned Friend
on the Woolsack, when they spoke of the Court of Di-
rectors as if they were now doing penance in sackcloth
and ashes, and making amends by the appointment of
Sir H. Hardinge. He approved of the appointment of
Sir H. Hardinge, because he did not think he would
follow in the footsteps of Lord Ellenborough—that they
would have no such proclamations from him as they
had ha'l: about the gates of Somnauth. With respect
to the act of indiscretion, as it was called, which the
Court of Directors had committed, he (Lord Campbell)
thought it a most felicitous act of indiscretion. He
would say, with Hamlet—
" Our indiscretions oft-time serve us well
When our deep plots do fail."
Lord NORMANBY inquired if all the dispatches
which had been received relative to the affairs of Sinde
and Gwalior had been communicated to the Court of
Directors ?
Earl RIPON was not sure that he could exactly
answer the question. He thought. with regard to Sinde,
that no papers had bean communicated to the Court,
except those which had been laid before the two Houses
of Parliament. With respect to Gwalior, all the pagers,
whether of importance or not, which had been received
in the course of last summer, and up to autumn, were,
at the request of the Secret Committee, laid before the
Court. _

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.
HOUSE OF LORDS, Mig 7.
Their Lordships met at Five o'Clock.
SAVINGS' BANKS.
Lord MONTEAGLE said he had to call the atten-
tion of the Government to a statement that had appeared
in one of the papers of that day, which it was necessary,
in justice to himself and the Government, and also, what
was more material than either, tee public in-
terest, that he should notice. Their Lordships were
aware, from the Votes of the other House of Parliament,
that a Bill had been introduced by the Government fur
the purpose of reducing; the interest on savings' bank
stock. Of course it would be unbecoming to discuss a
question then pending in the other House of Parliament,
but he might say, in passing, that he approved of the ob-
jects of the Bill, and considered its principle to be per-
fectly right. It would be absurd on the part of
the public to pay a rate of interest on the de-
posits in savings' banks which had been fixed at a
greater amount than the rate of interest which now pre-
vailed in the market. But !he interest of the depositors
was a critical 'Latter to deal with. They were a nume-
rous class, and many of them were probably not very
well informed on the subject ; they were apt to take
alarm, ebeee all, when suggestions were made to
them calculated to excite that feeling. The state-
ment he referred to, arising probably from misap-
prehension, e as calculated greatly to impede
the object the Government had in view, as well as to
create alarm on the part of depositors in savings' banks,
and consequently to prejudice the public interest, and
much more to prejudice the interests of the depositors
themselves. It was mainly in consideration of the in-
terests of the depositors themselves that he took the
liberty of bringing this matter under the considera-
tion of their Lordships as soon as possible.
Their Lordships were aware that, during the
period he had the honour of being the Chancellor
of the Exchequer, a purchase of Exchequer bills e as
made by the Trustee; of Savings' Banks, which bills
were afterwards funded in the three per Cent. stock. This
was not a time to defend that mode of procedure. The
Noble Duke opposite knew perfectly well that that pro-
ceeding was eerfectly in am irdaece with
the existing law, under the Act of 1828,
which gave the Goveinment the power of mak-
ing such investments. The statement he
referred to was this: "If it should be found that the
funds inve;ted in savings' banks have been seriously in-
jured by the jobbing that prevailed during the time the
Whigs held office, the parties interested will be entitled
to compensation, and have all the circumstances
duly considered in any new arrangement it may
be necessary to make." It further appeared by
the statement, that interest amounting to 680,0001.,
representing a capital of 2,000,0001. or 3,000,000/. ster-
ling, had been lost by these proceedings. He need not
assure their Lordships that no such loss had been sus-,
tained ; the statement was altogether fallacious. If any
loss were sustained it would not fall on the depositors.
To them the public faith was pledged, and every depo-
sitor was entitled to receive the full amount of his de-
posit, whatever might be the loss sustained by the sale of
stock. If this were not the case there wonld be no se-
curity for savings' banks. If an early opportunity were
net taken of contradicting such a statement an alarm
would have been raised which would have caused a run
on every savings' bank in London ; and, there-
fore, he had thought it right to bring the matter
under the consideration of their Lordships.—(Hear.)
DEBTOR AND CREDITORS' BILL.
Lord BROUGHAM, in proposing the secend reading
of this Bill, said that its object was to remedy a great
defect in the law, which enabled a debtor, with his cre-
ditors' consent, to effect a composition as soon as he
found insolvency approaching. Under present circum
stances, unless all the creditors agreed the composition
could not be effected, and in consequence there was a
great premium for a few of these to hold oat against the
rest of the creditors, in order that they might ultimately
buy up the interest. of' the parties whom they opposed.
That defect would be remedied by the present Bill.
Lord COTTENHAM had no objection to the second
reading being now taken, provided that so doing would
not pledge their Lordships to the principle of the Bill.
The Bill was then read a second time.
Lord CAMPBELL, in the absence of his Noble Friend,
Earl Gosford, presented several petitions from differen
parts of Ireland relative to the Presbyterian marriages.
RECAL OF THE GOVERNOR-GENERAL OF
INDIA.
Lord NORMANBY rose, pursuant to notice, to take
the first opportunity on which they had the pleasure of
seeing his Noble Friend the President of the Board of
Control in his place, to put a question on the subject of
the correspondence of the Board of Directors of the East
India Company with her Majesty's Government. Under
the peculiar circumstances in which he meant to put
this question to his Noble Friend, it was neces-
sary for him to make a few preliminary observa-
tions. He might be more strictly in order
in moving for the production of those papers, but at the
same time, now, as hitherto, he had every reason to be-
lieve that those papers would be produced by her
Majesty's Government, and if not, the refu to pro-
duce them could only be based upon ore ground, which,
if stated en the responsibility of his Nob.e Friend,
he (the Marquis of Normanby) should not be
prepared to resist. He thought, then, it would be more
convenient if he ads )pied the 11101 e inf 'rural but more usual
course of putting a question, making at the same time a
few observations on the subjec.-matter. %Vile,' certain
opinions were pronounced in teat House in answer to a
tuiestion from hie Noble Friend on the subject, he (the
Marquis of Normanby 1 thought that the immediate
con-equence would be the pro,inetion of ail the corres-
pondence so as to enable the House to form a judgment on
the matter. On that occasion he stated that he regretted that
of those
ofatti
thad
t,
sheo
though
gat.t an
thth
p•hertsh.
ey yeedrNiea
Noble
ne nbolaet Duke
r a
p• a
.setsdatrtoeod t:he
giavte production,
athne tim t.
imme-
diate answer, yet that Parliament had an undoubted
right to the fullest information on the subject.
(Expressions of dissent from the Duke of Welengton.)
tie (the Marquis of Normanby) bad certainly so under-
stood the Noble Duke. Ile might also allude to what
passed on another occasion, in another place, when two
of the Hon. Gentlemen connected with the administra-
tion of Indian affairs, stated that they hoped, in spite of
what had passed in their Lordships' House, public opinion
would be suspended till the papers were produced ; and
her Majesty's Prime Minister, in answer, stated that he
was not prepared at once to produce the papers. He (the
Marquis of N ormanby) might therefore infer that up to that
time no conclusive reason was entertained by the parties
interested against the production of those papers; at
the same time, if his Noble Friend opposite should state
that the production of those papers at the present
moment would be detrimental to the public service,
he should not press for their production. He regretted
that such decided censure had been pronounced on the
conduct of certain parties in the affair, though he must
state that his regret was by no means inconsistent with
the high respect which he as well as the rest of their
Lordships all bore to the Noble Duke who pronounced
that censure. However, as a deliberative assembly
their Lordships should protest against any
weight being attached to that censure. He
thought that they were bound, not only as members
of a deliberative assembly, but as the highest court of
judicature in this country, to hear before they con-
demned.—(Hear.) If there were any strong objection
to the production of those papers, he should feel his re-
gret at the premature expression of opinion on the part
of the Noble Duke very much increased.—(Hear.) The
power of the Court of Directors to recal the Governor-
General had existed more than half a century, and the
present was the first time that any collision between
the Board and the Government had taken place.
Now, he would ask, was there anything in the
constitution of the Court (ef Directors which might
elan:: them to take views adverse to the present Go-

might be that the Directors had judged improperly of the
conduct of the Noble Lord (Ellenborough)—it might
be that they did not give the Government a sufficient
notice. On the last point, however, they had been given
to understand, that the Government had had full
sev,:.n or eight months' notice. Therefore the indiscretion
of the Directors (for so it had been called) wanted one
quality which usually attended indiscretion—rashness.
He repeated, in conclusion, what he had before said,
that if, in the opinion of the Government, it would be
inexpedient to furnish the papers, he would not press for
them. In that case, however, he must be permitted, as
a matter of justice, to say
.that that House could not
.entertain a shadow of suspicion of the propriety of the
conduct of the Directors, till an opportunity was afforded
of placing the whole case before that House and the
country.
The Earl of RIPON said he deeply regretted that he
had been hindered by illness from attending to his duties
when the Noble Marquis was first desirous of putting
his question to him. However, he was then ready to
state his views as to the production of the papers asked
for, though before doing so he must say that the Noble
Marquis had introduced the matter in a most fair,
candid, and reasonable spirit. And he thought he
had acted much more conveniently by bringing
it forward as he had done, than by submitting a more
forinal motion on the subject. He mugti say, however,
that feeling a deep sense of the duty and rasp,nsibility
which attached to him and the Government, Ministers
were unable to consent to the production of the papers.
He believed their production would be the cause of
great injustice to the Noble Lord who had been recalled
—of great embarrassment to the Right Hon. Gentle-
man who was about to proce,-d there—and would be
most injurious to the best interests of the ser-
vice. Therefore he must, though reluctantly,
decline ; tor all the papers ought to be fur-
nished, or none of them ; and to do this at present
would be alike unfair to individuals and injurious to the
service. To produce part of the papers would be ob-
viously unsatisfactory, though it would not be possible
for bun to say shy, because he should then be
ding incidentally that which he felt it his
duty to decline to do directly. He therefore
declined to produce these papers, and the same
consideration led him to decline entering on the
matters' alluded to by his Noble Friend. But he would
take the liberty of saying this, that however he might
regret the step taken by the Board of Directors—or, how-
ever inconsistent he might have thought it with the course
which he considered advisable to take, he was nevertheless
bound to say, and lie did.say, that he was entirely con-
vinced that the Court of Directors, in taking the course
they did, were influenced by no other motive than an
honest and sincere conviction on their part that they
were doing what their duty called them to do. In saying
that he (lid justice to their motives, but expressed no
opinion on their policy, if he was ready to du justice to
them for the motives which had
_influenced their
course, he hoped he might ask their Lordships
to do justice to him and her Majesty's Government, by
believing that they had been influenced by no other
considerations than these in the course which they had
taken, and which obliged them to refuse their concur-
rence to the step of the Board of Directors. As he could
not consent to the production of the papers he thought it
better not to risk any discussion on the suiiject by enter-
ing into any of the other topics which had been alluded to
by the Noble Marquis. With respect to the production of
the papers at another time, he thought nothing was more
unwise than to pledge oneself on a sulliect of that kind,
and he must decline doing so.
Lord BROUGHAM entirely concurred with what
had fallen from the Nob!e Lord, but he felt bound to
state succinctly his opinion on the course the Govern-
ment had pursued. The Government was charged with
indiscretion. The Noble Duke opposite, the least indis-
creet of human beings, was charged for the first time, he
would venture to say, in the course of his long and illus-
trious life, with indiscretion for having pronounced an
opinion on a question, the materials for forming an
opinion on which were not before the House or the
public. In justice to the Noble Duke and the Governor-
General, they should recollect the position in which the
Government was placed. They were called on by the
acts of the Directors to pronounce an opinion, because if
they did not they would have adopted that act as their
own. It was easy for the Board of Directors to say, as he
heard they did say, that they were responsible for the
peace of India, but somebody else would have been re-
sponsible besides the Directors, if the Government had
adopted their policy. Before sitting down, he must re-
mark on the highly satisfactory appointment of the
Gallant Officer who was about to proceed to the govern-
ment of India—an observation most favourable to Lord
Ellenborough arouse out of this appointment, as the
Board of Directors had unanimously concurred in the
appointment of Sir Henry Hardinge. They had se-
lected Sir H. Hardinge for the purpose of censuring the
conduct of his predecessor—of rescinding all he had
done so gloriously—the Court of Directors must say
that they chose Sir H. Hardinge for the purpose of act-
ing diametrically opposite to the purpose, of acting dia-
metrically opposite to the policy of Lord Ellenborough,
or they had chosen the very man who was most certain
to pursue the very saute course. Why did he say so ?
Because Sir 11. Hardinge was a near connexion of the
Noble Lord—in fact, his brother-in-law—because he
was the bosom friend of that Neb'e Lord, and because
he s+ as a member of the present Government, which hacl
disapproved of the recal of Lord Ellenborough.—(Hear,
hear.) It was then clear that it was not from any dis-
approval of the policy of Lord Ellenborough that that
Noble Lord was recalled, but from a more insignificant
and merely personal motive. He was glad, then, that it
had appeared that no condemnation of Lord Ellenbo-
rou_lt's policy was the cause of his removal, as that
would be the most comple e preventive of any mis-
chievous consequences resulting to Indian affairs from
that measure.
The Duke of WELLINGTON hoped, as tte Noble
Marquis had adverted to what occurred there on a
former evening, that he might be allowed to shy a few
words. In the first place, he begged to observe that,
when he spoke on that occasion, he did not entertain any
intention of interfering with the privileges of the Court
ofolAi
er)trgioruniei;cssot)ou rememberedrcs se o
uoorf fs
etphaei rnl Ei
at aamhsneeti
their
thn:Ldn:
ovgahr
doCe
ships'
oihei
psepasr,( nt
ahry
oye Du Isquef
Duke
t eehsaeotni
foNdm
rno
tbrehell
eez
supegecutiitnghimlndoifaonriagffinaairtisngwaasnybrmouegahsturfeorwwahricloh, hweoussiodublde
detWhenrimental
utboj
etehte infnmt ebr ee sfot sr
before
tf
hteh et, Eo
uass Ind
et
had been
a
before their Lordships on a former occasion, he (the
Duke of Wellington) thought it his duty to ex-
press his opinions on the subject, and he thought
he had expressed them as moderately as possible.
There could be no doubt respecting the power of the
Directors. He had shown when the power was given—
he had quoted the Act of Parliament. But he stated at
the same time that it was a power which ought to be
exercised with discretion; and he did give his reason for
thinking that the power had not been exercised with
discretion in this case.—(Hear, hear.) He did not think
there was anything offensive in that expression, and
nothing Auld be further from his thoughts than to say
anything offensive to the Board of Directors. Still he
thought that when any doubt was thrown upon the con-
duct of an officer holding one of the highest and most
responsible situations under the Crown—and discharging
his duties most meritoriously—(Cheers)—it was the
duty of a person representing her Majesty's Government
in that House to protectithe officer at a distance. He
thad
thought
alreadyght
proper stated
to demand
his
opinion,
thea
r e thatso reasons why if
theParliamentCourt h ad
hof
Directors had adopted that measure, the papers should
be produced, unless there were reasons, as his Noble
Friend stated, for considering that the production of
them would be inconsistent with the public interest.
The Marquis of NORMANBY, in explanation, said
that he had not called for the papers on the very grounds
that he thought that it might be considered inconvenient

CHARITABLE BEQUESTS (IRELAND).
The Marquis of NORMANBY said he had a motion
fixed for Thursday next, for a Commission to inquire into
the Board of Charitable Bequests and Donations in
Ireland, and he was happy to learn that a Bill, regarding
the constitution of that Board, was under the considera-
tion of her Majesty's Attorney-General. He would,
therefore, beg to withdraw his notice of motion, as that
Bill would answer all the ends he had iu view.
RAILWAYS.

Earl FITZWILLIAM said that, previous to his
proceeding with the motion which he had on the paper,
for an address to her Majesty, for the appointment of a
Commission on the subject of railways, he wished to
inquire of the Noble Earl whether it was the intention
of the Government to assent to or negative his proposi-
tion. Until he had received an answer on that matter,
he would not trouble their Lordships further. _ _

—Earl DALHOUSIE would state in a few words the
reasons why Government did not think it right to accede
at the present moment to the motion of the Noble Earl.
The ground of their so doing was that the whole of this
question had now for some time past been under the
consideration of a Committee of the House of Commons.
At a very early period of the session his Right Hon.
Friend the President of the Board of Trade had brought
the question under the consideration of the House, when
an instruction was moved to the Committee to consider
all modes of providing for the public good with respect
to railways. Three reports had already appeared from
that Committee, and had been laid before Parliament.
Two of those referred to the railways that came before
Parliament this session, and the third took a wider
range, and suggested very important alterations in the
railway system. One of those related to providing car•
lieges of a more commodious kind, and having seats in
in them, for third class passengers. The present mode
of keeping those passengers standing for twelve or six-
teen hours in a carriage, while making a journey that
could have been made in seven or eight hours, was very
discreditable to the companies that adopted such a
course, and would be equally discreditable to the Legis-
lature if it permitted the continuance of that abuse.
Care should be taken that there should be no evasion by
the companies of the regulations on this score. Another
recommendation of the Committee was, that it should be
an indispensable condition of railway Bills in future,
that the proprietors should consent, at the end of fifteen
years from the time when the original Bill was passed—
.they should submit to the alternative, in case their pro-
fits were above tcn per cent, to permit those profits to
be reduced to that amount, but not below it, or allow the
Government the option of purchasing the line for twenty-
five years' visible profits. He mentioned those things
to show that the Committee of the House of Commons
had entered in earnest into the consideration of the
subject.
Earl FITZWILLIAAI was glad he had taken the
course 11..± had, but still he thought it doubtful whether,
even after the labours of the Committee had been
brought to a close, such a motion as that which he had
on the paper would not be necessary. He would, how •
ever, withdraw his motion.
The motion was then withdrawn, and some priva'e
Bills having been forwarded a stage, the House ad-
journed at Half-past Seven o'clock.

• HOUSE OF COMMONS, May 7.
• the SPEAKER took the Chair at the usual hour.
LEEDS AND BRADFORD RAILWAY.
-On the motion for the further consideration of the
report on the Bill.
Mr. MACKINNON moved that the report be consi-
dered that day six months.
Mr. LASCELLES seconded the motion.
Mr. YORKE supported the Bill. He thought im-
proper methods of influencing the Hon. Members on the
question bad been resorted to.
Sir E. COLEBROOKE thought the opposition to the
Bill came at a rather late stage, and that the House was
called upon, under the circumstances, to confirm the de-
cision of the Committee.
Mr. STUART supported the motion.
After a short conversation the House divided, when
there appeared—
For the amendment
Against it,
Majority for the Bill, —66
The report was then ordered to be taken into further
consideration.
After a few observations from Mr. M. Philips, Mr.
S. Wortley, Mr. C. Wood, Lord Howick, and Mr. Greene,
Mr. T. DUNCOMBE wished to know how the House
could do these parties justice by binding them to the
absurd regulations of the Standing Orders. He thought
the public interest ought to guide these proceedings, and
he would propose, therefore, that the debate be adjourned,
in order to see if the parties could not make out a case
that would induce the House to re-commit the Bill, in
order that the public should have the best line. The
Hon. Member concluded by moving that the debate
should be adjourned.
The SPEAKER the,n
amendments should be read-a-second time; and also the
amendment of the Hon. Member for Finsbury, that the
debate be adjourned. put the question, that the
Mr. LAWSON opposed the amendment. He thought
it vms their duty to support the Standing Orders of the
House.
Sir GEORGE STRICKLAND thought there was no
practice so. bad as that of excluding evidence, The

cee,- ere --------
law now, in accordance with the increased intelligence
(111C,Ity or should be exhibited evidence of the vernment ? Certainly not. It was well•kno.wn that the to the publicservice to produce them. .
e4l, Itary „e
,Pe:•sons, in other respects, possessed of majority of the Court of Directors were of the same The Marquis of CLANRICARDE said that the of the age, admitted evidence more freely than it
ketried ort"n sense. The practice of bill-stealing is political opinionswith her Majesty's present Government; Noble Duke and the late Governor-General of India had heretofore been accustomed to do. They were now
tow
TO an enormous extent in the west end ef the and it was natural to inquire what could be the cause ha i always been great advocates of the authority of the
.Railroad
arguing a case of the
.exclusion of evidence before a
Committee. Were they not, by giving such an
ki: pail
o'freare numbers of persons about the fashion- of their disagreement with the Government in this mat- Court of Directors—(Hear, hear)—and when the m
Ileretehr.s.,,
al the .
metropolis se ho are designated "Bill
4114,1 p, 41:14(0,, bill agents. They form a kind of part- ter ?—(Hear.) He by no means thought that a ma- sure for limiting the powers of that body was proposeden- interpretation to
jtubsetiirce7tating.
) had jority of his fellow-countryinen were now in favour of by Lord Grey's Government in 1833, the Noble Duke.. a rtdheerhs,igehoamumthiottriintyg
three ity, The +l into each other s hands with much in- her error in puttinc, such an interpretation upon their Stand-
her Majesty's Ministers, but still it could not be denied supported by Lord Ellenborough, emphatically resisted of their Chairman for saying that the House was in
to e lediei.Ve hrtn lainsists, in each locality, generally of that they were backed by a majority of ninety in the measure, on the ground that it would give too muc .
kitFeerfortn.utals, each of whom has a different character the other House of Parliament which had not power to the
lie. P.." anetleY are called ' the bill macer," " the grab yet run through halt the t-rm of its existence. It could with the authority of the East India Company.—(Hear, whenever a railroad was projected, whatever injury
Governor-General, and interfere too much tog Orders. It this interpretation were the true one,
eafrorre,,ri, “ the buffing mater." The bill macer is the
it might run, there would be the greatest diffi-
not be through hostility to the Government the Directors hear.) Ile would not attempt to-night to discuss the it might inflict on the . proprietors, through whose
kat is tor beseatative of the peeuniary st rength of the firm, had acted. but it was said that it was through igno- conduct of Lord Ellenborough in India, but he must property
thee! is to considered its the negotiator. The grab ranee of the facts. That was not the fact—(Hear, hear) say that a better, or more judicious selection, could not culty in pro. ving that injury. 'lle should support the
to `lgyern, u" found constantly haunting coffee-houses —for the Secret Committee were not bound to conceal be made than the appointment of the Gallant Officer amendment
ill
(let e bitaoh theluok out for those who may be anxious such matters from the general holy of the Board. who was to succeed him. But reverting to the subject Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, and the
all 1.44 to intro genuine stiff," or good bills, di,counted, He had read over the statutes and the Charter, of Lord Ellenborough, he begged leave to say that they House divided, when theri-appeared-
-72
tetettrees mad duce theta to the bill-mater, who is at and he found that it was only on questions of war were not called upon, on that occasion, to judge the
Of ttr is alb adY to misappropriate ; and the buffing- the Committee was sworn to seereey. All questions of conduct of that Noble Lord. That was not under their Against it • 110
Pe ,e othei,aYs in the way to be at the bcelt and call internal policy, and the appointments aid dismissals of Lordships' consideration. A high functionary had been Majority
ti,--vtision. °lacers, in order to swear to tee right of were then read a second time.
For Mr. Duncombe's amendment
servant,, civil and military, were entirely unconnected recalled, and a censure had been pronounced by the The amendments .
re ,
tge
tugu
ra ne. 0 turn-
er t
il 0
thtahtatdah)e
fortnight,
hbtrinfgrrohne
t pik °I) the
feat payment & part of the negetiat, T, and to the posi- with the oath of secresy. Was it possible that Parliament organ of the Government on the body which had taken Lord ELIOT.. gave notlFetilaata,
TBonailblTutluoaerorsdaylntextir he
%tee", the „, (): the amount, with deductien of the inte- should have given that power, and not retained to itself on itself to make that recal. What Parliament just would move for leave to bring
he-oreelod "nlortunat
, atio, ,- e person, who ca,culates upon the the means or knowing how the power was exercised ? now had to d. o, was, not to judge Lord Ellenborough, pike trusts in Ireland.
eachy' year! ending
k.l et this a`t4'r he has placed the security at the Suppose it were the case of sinde, on account of which but to consider the conduct of the Government, and Dr. BOWRING gaVe ne.taiiice
4he ties are gal,g ~f thie v••s. It i- vi eil known that ;he arecters theught it n. cessare to recal of the Board of Directors of the East India Company. his motion on quarantine- foraort ae
d"
in iet4ve deseri, every day perpetrate.' upon the system Lord Ellenhorough. Why should not Parliament be That the conduct of those Directors bad been so indis- Hon. Member also moied
buti tlie ,flitri'aed ; and when a gentlemen happens to ;alla s, potato.es,
informed what the instructions of the Government at creet he (the Marquis of Clanricarde) very much quantities of wheat,. flou.rm, me, barle
hi i 5 ear to
ingeniously laid and ailed upon, the home had been ? He perfectly agreed with the proprie doubted. The indiscretion, more probably, attached cattle, sheep, and pigs,
1 front 1835 to
(forth tette
ae to beat him by a circumstantial cletail in of deferring any opinion upon the conduct of the Go- elsewhere ; for it was admitted that six or seven months the sth day of January, r ~ into the
kee the 4°,1'1 Place and the number of sovereigns paid vern"r•Gelleral until he was there to defend him- ago the Directors bad expressed to the Government the Isle of Man ; exhibitingthe average
h also
he Lon d
erdi Pt . latlee°tiater always pays in gold) are sworn to, self.—(Hear, hear.) He (Lord Normanhy) had felt dissatisfaction which they felt. It appeared there was several species of corn -y, „, ??1 azette, and the
114 'd he is thereon. Tabular return, for the
Y nerve i . prepared to act with mere than -in a smaller sphere the inconvenience of exercising no hope of the production of the papers during the. ses- average duties payable
jItteeItAIVELLI ri his own defence. articles exported from the Isle
important functions in a distant part of the empire, and sion. Government charged the East India Directors same years, of the same
tee a"--" Moil-toll
11l SPAIN.—We read in a Madrid he should be the last person in the world to say that the with having been guilty of great indiscretion, and Par- of Man."—Agreed to.
411 4ers, like tni,il-c°achPat with three places for pas- acts of a man placed in such circumstances should liament was bound to know, as speedily as possible, the Sir R. PEEL brought up copies of the correspondence
14, ()uric_ , ..osa ofthe -
France, have been established upon not be viewed with consideration and candour. proofs which the Government had to bring of this indis- which had taken place between Government and the
atiteationl,lBo It is difficult to give an idea of the multi- His Noble Friend need not be afraid that, cretion. These were the only things that Parliament Bank of England, which were laid on the table.
De rtlenin public Carriages of all kinds in Spill. They in calling for these papers, he had any in- could judge of until the return of Lord Ellenborough, The Exchequer Bills (18,407,0001.) Bill was read a
ant° gla ever • •
t'av 111 that th y direction, and there is so much op- tention of urging on the discussion which for most unjust would it be at present to judge of the third time and passed.
smelling has b a fares are brought extremely low, and ought, in fairness, to •be postponed until Lord Ellen- conduct of that Nobleman, who might have been a wise COLONEL -BONET.
et „„,c'ther es become 80 greatly increased, that the inns borough had returned to this country. But it had man as well as a faithful servant (and he was sure he Sir B. PEEL said he wonld hadtake that opportunity of
tahlish
t,eatly itt
r_ meats for their accommodation are been said that there was an intention on the part of the had been the latter) of that great Company- alluding to a statement which been made in 'that
te frigand 13 "'ye& If our highways are but cleared of Government to take steps for depriving the Court of The Marquis of NORMANBY, in consequence of House (upon which certain questions were put to the
le l' or 3 who infesteffect that a British
ell e our co them, foreigners will flock to Directors of the power which they on this occasion exer- what had fallen from the Noble and Learned Lord Government) to the officer,
ship off
%1:110 atm° untry and its interesting curiosities, cised. If there was any such intention entertained in any (Brougham), wished to ask the Noble Lord opposite commanding a .
Alicante, had been ape
'Plan ' st unknown to the of E " there was one Noble Lord that ought first of all (Earl Ripon) whether a power was vested in the Pre- plied to by a Spanish officer, Colonel. Bonet,
c i s efessen rest Europe."— quarter,
ti,,_ OPpEt Eta ger.
others to be heard—that Noble Lord having made the sident of the Board of Control to release the members of who was under great apprehension with re-
end 7 t is net CIIIICITY.—AIthough it is not quite most decided objections to any reduction of the power the Secret Committee from their oath, and to allow them gard to the probability of his immediate execution,
tdoNlY electfierralland that the
d Y known that a man may be literally of the Court of Directors--(Cries of " Hear, to communicate papers—whether in point of fact that to be taken on board that ship, ~. officer com-
a at ta was : with newly ground coffee. The manner hear.") No one had taken a more active had not been done, and whether in consequence nu- mending the ship, which was caned the Scout, had re-
ie• 4 shop i ,x exhibited to the writer of this a few days or useful part in that House in the administration of merous papers relating to Gvtallor and Sinde had not fused admission to the vessel to Colonel Bonet. The
1 a stp n tne /New
4th 4M-engin Town.. A large coffee-mill, drivenlndian
affairs,. no one was more conversant with them, been communicated to the Court of Directors ? question which was put to her- Majesty's Government
of t ban. ; e, was gr ndm
the frog e !stood aCo I g coffee into a huge barrel.whether the • had given instruc •
either when he was at the head of the Board of Control The Earl of RIPON said that none of the instructions upon this subject was,
... ,e.
tat itch :rsh_ground
cotrereiperzio9p, directly under the. fall
or unconnected with the Government, and lie had on which went through the Secret Committee were sub- tions to the officer commanding , the Scout, to refuse
41Rlitein se of the copper iron rod being held within
more occasions than one warned Noble Lords not 'flitted to the Directors. with respect to Gwalior all admission, under the eircumstances, to Colonel
.„04. tor stream of eleetgooN,
.aninstantaneous flash of
interfere with the hitherto successful balance the early papers were laid before the Court and were Bonet, and whether any account had been
fill tyre instead result folloue-edul whenwasthattracted by the to
of power. Those were the opinions of the Noble Lord— afterwards sent to India. Other documents Which pro- received by the Admiralty -from that officer respecting
a stOf 4 pine
writhe the rod, and a slight shocek f;inkgeerthe'apsuenmc-- [Lord Ellenborough was understood to be the Noble- ceeded from the Board of Control were not produced the transaction. He (Sir H. Peel) stated at the time
Ni lo k was asoas quite perceptible. By a rude contrivance, man referred te]—and he (Lord Normanby) had no to the Board of Directors. that no such instructions had been given. Since the
Nte a tat, whec:lnoffnmicated from the ground coffee to the doubt his opinions so sound then had been confirmed by Lord COLCHESTER thought that the friends of the statement to which he had referred, however, had aP-
zatteroeisthe
Tacit e scampered the bewildered animal in a the practical experience he had since acquired.— Governor-General ought in justice to him to have Pro- Peared, Captain - Drumenond,olhFofficer in question,
t'pher, cueriaus, and not be
asnetaotniisltiiment. Altogether the I (Hear, hear.) Though he hal been ready,
.en the duced to them the reasons why he had been deprived of had forwarded a statement I the whole transaction,
‘.l?,ae gtr, 2n there be electricity in i attention of the phi- request of the Noble Duke, to postpone 1 goes- his
. "" q. office. It was very well to ask of their Lordships which he (Sir R. Peel) read would to the House.
flour, oatmeal, or snuff?
iti_le, pr,,e•ll3osed to friction as well Lion till the better health of his Noble Friend to suspend their opinion, but was opinion suspended out and he thought it would be adecisive proof as to the po-
,s;til viit;" the one to b genuineas coffee ; and a test
(Lord Ripon) permitted his attendance in his place, yet ;of doors ? The organs of public opinion had already Hey of their suspending their judgments upon reports
• eots,,,an7 regard to the
others or the reverse, may be 1
must say he regretted the mail had left for India I pronounced their judgment, anduntilthey became acquainted with the subject. The
too.—Correspondent of the , he gment, some one way, some
1 before he had an. opportunity of putting it, it another; and he regretted that the Noble Lord the •t 's ship Gribraltar,
lttter was dated her Biajes y Scout ,

April 20th, 1844, and was addressed to the operations of Gwalior, but I entertain a different opi-
Secretary of the Admiralty. Captain Drummond said, nion. How can that difference of opinion be settled ex-
" Sir, I have just read in Galignani's Messenger an article cept by the production of the papers?" Now, what I
which was taken from the Chronicle, containing a most doubted was whether there were sufficient grounds for
libellous statement against a British vessel of war lying the production of the papers.—(Laughter.) Sir, no
at Alicante, during the late disturbances ; and as it con- doubt a difference of opinion has prevailed with
eludes by hoping that the question would be mentioned respect to the recal of Lord Ellenborough. No doubt
in the House, I think it right to inform you of the tran- the Court of Directors had a right to recal Lord
section that occurred, I being the officer in command of Ellenborough, and her Majesty's Government no doubt
that station at the time. On the 13th of February dissented from the course which they pursued, believing
I arrived at Alicante, ;and Mr. Wearing, the that there was nothing in Lord Ellen borough's conduct
Consul, immediately came on board, and he stated that which made it wise or just, that he should be recalled.
Colonel Bor.et, the Governor, wished to come to see me. Lord Ellenborough's conduct met with their full appro.
I replied that I could not receive any such person' he bation, considering the present state of India compared
being in arms. Mr. Waring replied that my refusal to with that in which they found it. Looking to the
receive Culonet Bonet would greatly exasperate manner in which he performed his duties, looking to his
him, and might endanger the British and British whole conduct throughout his administration, nothing
property in Alicante ; upon which I consented had passed in their opinion to diminish the confidence
to see Colonel Bonet on deck in the presence of the which they had placed in him. But the Court of Direc-
officers of the ship. Colonel Bonet then stated that he tors, having full power, took a ditlerent view of the sub-
came to offer me any assistance I might require during ject, and exercised the powers which they possessed.
my stay at Alicante ; and I replied that my sole I was asked when this matter was last under discussion,
object in visiting Alicante was to protect British whether or no I considered the executive Government
subjects, and British property, and he then responsible for the administration of affairs in India
quitted the ship and he never came along after what had passed ? My answer to that question
side of the ship again during my stay at Alicante, and was, that, without reference to the differences which had
I left on the 6th of March." This was the whole of the existed, the Government would feel it to be their duty to
transaction, and it now appeared that instead of Colonel take those measures which appeared to them best calcu-
Benet asking assistance, he came to offer it.—(Hear.) lated to diminish any hazard which might arise from the
Captain DrumMond went on to say that he would have recal of Lord Ellenborough.—(Hear, hear.) The ques-
had a most unpleasant duty to perform, but that he t'on which we had to consider, after the Court had de-
would have been quite prepared to act on his own re- termined on the recal of Lord Ellenborough, was what
sponsibility, had Colonel Bonet applied to him under the should be done with respect to the appointment of a new
circumstances which had been stated. Governor-General. We might have said to the Court of
Lord JOHN RUSSELL was understood to express Directors, "You have acted upon the provisions of the
his satisfaction at the statement which the Right Hon. law in recalling. Lord Ebenborough ; act upon those
Gentleman had just read to the House. provisions also with respect to the appointment of a suc-
Mr. P. BORTH WICK said, that his object in putting cessor, select the man whom you think qualified to exer-
the question to which the Right Hon. Gentleman had cise this high trust under the possibly increased difficulties
referred was only to elicit information on the subject. which may arise from the recal of Lord Ellenborough ;
COALS. notify to us your selection, and the Crown will inform
In answer to a question from Mr. HUTT, respecting you whether it sanctions the choice. We felt it our
a return of the amount of coals exported, duty, however, to pursue a different course, and we de-
Sir G. CLERK said there was considerable difficulty termined to act in friendly concert with the Court of
in making out the return wished for. Some time must Directors—(Cheers.) The Court appealed to the Govern-
elapse before it could be presented in a satisfactofy state. merit to act upon the ordinary usage with respect to the
Lord HOWICK thought the return might be made nomination of Lord Ellenborough's successor. Sir, I
out in a short time, and if there was any inconvenience had interviews with the Chairman and Deputy-Chair-
in making out the return, he thought the Right Hon. man of the Court of Directors, and I recommended that
Gentleman himself was to blame. He hoped the return all past differences should be merged in considering the
would be furnished before the discussion on the Bill, question what course it was best to pursue under the ex-
which the Right Hon. Gentleman the Chancellor of the isting circumstances. I said, " You have appealed to her
Exchequer proposed to introduce, took place. Majesty's Government in the appointment of a successor
INDIA. to Lord Ellenborough; on the part of the Government, I
Mr. HUME said that, agreeably to the notice which am willing to enter into concert with you for that purpose.
he had given, he rose to bring forward his motion re- But I wilt suggest no one on the part of the Govern-
specting what jiad recently taken place relative to ment, unless I feel assured that the person nominated
India. Believing, as lie did, that the subject was will command the confidence of the Court; and unless it
an important one, he claimed the indulgence of appears probable, that the line of policy pursued will be
the House whilst he stated what were his views of the approved of by them." I mentioned the name of my
situation in which they were placed by what had lately Right Hon. Friend, Sir Henry Hardinge.—(Loud
occurred relative to that portion of her Majesty s cheers.) I said that I thought upon the whole,
dominions. The Government of India was placed in a in the present condition of India, from
vary anomalous position. They saw an immense empire his long experience in his public character,
containing about 100,000,000 of inhabitants, subjected to his military eminence, and his great experience in civil
the Government of Britain by means chiefly of the affairs, my Right lion. Friend was the man who was
India Company ; and they saw various large and best calculated to undertake the office of Governor-
important portions of the government of that country General ; and I was informed at once by the Chairman
conducted by the Court of Directors—a body appointed and Deputy-Chairman that the sane name had occurred
by the proprietors of East India stock, who, he might to them, and they assured me that no person could have
say, first created that immense empire. Few were aware been selected who would be so acceptable to the Court.
what had been done of late by the Legislature in reference —(Cheers.) I said at once that I would undertake to
to that Company, and what little power had been left to propose the office of Governor-General to my Right
them. There were two authorities governing India with Hon. Friend. In performing this promise I stated to
paramount power. There was the Board of Commis- him that he commanded the confidence both of the
sioners for managing the affairs of India, who con- Crown and of the Court, and I urged him to permit no
trolled the power of the Directors connected with India. private considerations to deter him from undertaking
One of the most important duties which devolved on this great responsibility. Sir, my Right Hon. Friend
them was the appointment of the Governor-General of did not hesitate. He at once accepted this trust ; but
India. They appointed whomsoever they approved of. my firm opinion is that he accepted that trust from the
A question had lately been raised how far they had the highest and 'purest considerations of public duty.
power of retaining that officer. It was said that they had —(Loud cheers.) My Right Honourable Friend
the power of retaining him in his office, but he believed will proceed by the next packet to undertake his new
no individual connected with India doubted that the duties ; and no consideration on earth shall induce me
power of recalling that officer rested with the Court to fetter his administration by sending out in the same
of Directors. This very power was retained to them packet a detailed correspondence of the nature and ex-
in the last charter, as if they had foreseen tent of the differences which had existed.—(Cheers.) I
and resolved to provide for the circumstances do hope that the House of Commons will not call upon
which had just taken place. The House the Crown to produce that correspondence ; and I ask
might not be aware that a hint had been thrown out to the Right lion. Gentlemen opposite whether they do not
the Court of Directors in 1833 by Sir Charles concur with me in opinion, that the production of the
Grant, then President of the Board of Control, papers might be injurious to the public interest ? lam
of taking this power from the Court of Directors. That quite sure that no personal considerations will influence
was immediately opposed, and the reasons given for the their course with respect to this matter. The Hon. Gen-
assumption of the power of recal appeared to him to be tleman (Mr. Hume) said in his speech that my Noble
perfectly satisfactory. The Chairman and Deputy-Chair- Friend, the Duke of Wellington, had accused the Court
man, Mr. Banks and Mr. Wigram. stated, in June, 1833, of Directors of indiscretion. Why I never heard the
why the power which they-had should becontinued to them. Hon. Gentleman attack the Government before, without
There was another communication of the same date, by using much harsher expressions. The sole question,
Mr. Tucker, who observed that he was willing to hope however, is, whether the production of those, papers
that Ministers would render the Court useful ; but he would be for the public interest. Believing that it would
could not say how that was to be done, when the whole not, I shall offer the motion my decided opposition.
responsibility rested with the Court of Directors, and it Mr. ASTELJe said that when addressing the House
had been taken away from the Government. That a few nights ago, he had asked them to suspend their
authority had been continued to the Directors, and they judgment. If the Court of Directors were attacked,
had now exercised it, and he felt no doubt that it had they would be prepared to defend themselves. What
been exercised wisely ; although he had not the papers they had done they had done under an Act of Parlia-
before him.—(Hear, and laughter.) He might be wrong, ment, and they were above all personal considerations.
but still he thought, from all he had heard, that the Their object had been simply the removal of Lord
Directors had acted rightly. It was important that the Ellenborough from the Governor-Generalship of India.
Court of Directors should stand well in the public opinion, In his opinion the publication of the papers would be
and the Government of India, and it was on that ground highly injurious ; and, notwithstanding what had been
that he asked for the papers with respect to the disputes said by his Hon. Friend opposite, he should not give him
that had taken place between the Government and the his support on the present occasion.
East India Company. It could not be a question of Mr. HOGG said, that what he stated on a former oc-
oriinary occurrence that induced twenty-three men to casion was, that it was his own opinion and belief, and
recal Lord Ellenborough. This could not be construed he believed his colleagues were of the same opinion, that
into a political question; the large majority of the Di- it would be proper and fit to leave it to her Majesty's
rectors were in favour of the present Government, and Government to exercise their discretion as to the publi-
there must, therefore, have been reasons of the utmost cation of the papers; and he stated his belief and cone
importance to warrant the Directors in the course they viction that, in the exercise of that discretion, they
had adopted ; it, therefore, behoved all parties that full would be influenced by what was conducive to the pub-
information should be given on the subject. Judging lie interest. That was his individual opinion; and
from what fell from two Directors on a former occasion, when he communicated with his colleagues, he was
that it was their wish that full information should be happy to say that they were unanimous in the opinion
given on the subject, he had come forward to elicit the he had then expressed. It was essentially necessary
information he was now asking for ? Why did he do so? that the Governor of India should possess the joint con-
Because a most important Minister of the Crown in fidence of her Majesty's Government and the Court of
another place censured the Court of Directors. He had Directors, and for that reason the appointment of the
passed upon them a censure so severe, that he believed Governor-General was the joint act of the Court
no parallel could be found for it. It was, therefore, of of Directors and her Majesty's Government; and for
importance to know whether the Government were right the same reason, namely, that theGovernorshouldpessess
in the censure they had _passed, or the Directors were the joint confidence of both, the law made his recal se-
correct in the course they had pursued, and nothing was parate.—(Hear, hear,) It did not become him to say
better calculated to solve that question than moving for more than that the Court of Directors exercised
the correspondence.—(Hear, hear.) Now, he wanted to their right under an imperious sense of public duty, and
know what the resolutions were that had been passed by they came to the resolution of recalling the Governor.
the Court of Directors, in order to judge, after so General with the utmost reluctance and with great pain ;
many months' consideration, why they had been and even though the Court of Directors should remain
induced to remove the Noble Lord. In the speech subject to any imputation, he, as an individual, would
of the Noble Duke in another place, he charged the rather remain subject to that than vote for the produc-
Court of Directors no less that six times with indiscretion. tion of papers which were considered detrimental to the
Was it possible to suppose that the Duke would be in- public interest.—(Hear, hear.) The Court of Directors
discreet enough to make such a statement without good were influenced solely by a regard to the public interest,
grounds? He must have had the documents before and they would stand ill' before the public if they per--
him, and yet he six times charged the Court of Direc- . mitted themselves to be influenced by any personal con-
tors with gross indiscretion. After a Minister of the siderations whatever, or any considerations except such
Crown had made these charges against the Directors, it as they conceived would be conducive to the interests of
was absolutely neeessary that the papers should be laid the country. His opinion was that the production of
before the House, in order that the matter might be the correspondence sought for by the motion of the Hon.
cleared up. He would not allude to any portion of the Gentleman would be injurious—most injurious, if not dan-
conduct of Lord Ellenborough, except to what had been gerous—to the safety of India.
alluded to by the Noble Duke on that occasion. He Mr. MACAULAY hoped that the Hon. Gentleman
had stated it was indiscreet to remove the Governor- would not press his motion at the present time. He
General while Sinde was disturbed and unsettled, and thought it would seem ungracious to the Noble Lord
immediately after his recent successes in Gwalior. From who was so deeply implicated in the inquiry, and whose
the documents he had seen on those subjects he had return was expected to this country, not to wait until
come to a conclusion diametrically opposed to that of he had arrived. It was that feeling which led him (Mr.
the Noble Duke.—(A laugh, and cries of " Hear, hear.") Macaulay) to postpone the motion of which he had
No doubt the Right Hon. Baronet opposite had his own lately given notice. lie thought it would be advisable
opinions upon the subject ;he was acquainted with all for the Hon. Gentleman to put off his motion for the
the documents ; but he trusted that he would permit present; but he must say he had heard no argument to
him (Mr. Hume) not only to entertain but to express convince him that on a future occasion, when the
his opinions also.—(Hear, hear.) Believing that if an Governor-General should have returned to this country,
explanation were not given, the character, not only of the motion now made ought not to be renewed and granted.
the Board of Directors, but of the Government also, If ever there was a case in which Parliament ought to
would suffer, and that serious consequences would ensue have the information, it was this case. Certain it was,
in India, he appealed to the House to support the mo- that there was misconduct somewhere, either on the
tion. All important orders sent to India are submitted part of the Government in continuing the Governor-
to the Board of Control, and to the Secret Committee General in office, or on the part of the Board of Di-
of the Court of Directors. He did not ask for the cor- rectors in recalling him. Let them take which horn of
respondence between the Government and the Secret the dilemma they pleased. A noble personage con-
, Committee, but he did ask for the correspondence be- nected with the Government said, the recal of Lord
tween the Government and Court of Directors generally, Ellenborough was an act of the greatest indiscretion
and the production of that correspondence was necessary that had taken place during his recollection. If that
to free the Court of Directors from the aspersions which noble personage spoke the sentiments of the Govern-
had been cast upon them, and to free the Government meat, the Government must have considered the act of
from the charge of having acted unjustly to the Court the Board of Directors an act of greater indiscretion
of Directors. In support of his motion he would appeal than the Walcheren expedition, or the Bill of pains
to the Noble Duke himself when asked if he was pre • and penalties against the Queen. This was a charge
pared to bring such information before the House as which ought not to be made, unless those who made it
would enable them to judge of the indiscretion of the were prepared to substantiate it.—(Hear.) It was said
Court of Directors; the Duke had said that he was not that the East India Directors had acted with
prepared to say what papers would be produced, but the greatest rashness and indiscretion. Then, if so,
that Parliament was entitled to all the information that they were unfit to be entrusted with the high powers
could be afforded. All he asked for was justice, and which they exercised. And if they were unfit to be en-
the British and the Indian public were alike entitled to trusted with these powers, Parliament ought to be made
the production of those papers which were necessary to acquainted with the reasons ; but it was not fair to throw
bring the conduct of the Beard of Control and of the imputations on the Board of Directors, which might pm'
Board of Directors before Parliament. The Hon. Mem- judice the public mind of this country
against them.
leer concluded by moving for copies of all correspondence He was content, for his part, to postpone his demand for
between the Court of Directors of the East India Com- those papers until Lord Ellenborough returned toEng:
pany and her Majesty's Government, respecting the land, and until his conduct was brought under the
wereeon
recal of Lord Ellenborough, the Governor-General of sideration of Parliament. But unless those papers
India.
Sir R. PEEL—Sir, I rise to offer my most decided thent
the
e ogn rantedtvel
e? it
the might
House trulybeof
Commonssaid thereonsioi
ivet wasyvt he anG endGovern-
opposition vev
at o.
i of Ministers.
opposition to the motion of the Hon. Gentleman. The ment—there was an end to the, P
his usual dexterity
Hon. Gentleman states that this House is the authority The Right Hon. Baronethed withres
to which an appeal should be made in case of a differ- and skill, evaded the question whichahnaddtbuernenedpuftrotomhithee
ence of opinion between the two chief authorities in this lie had glided, almost
inhiinesatsrrtart—itaonneoofusialyo,rdfrEomllentbmhol
country invested with the Government of India. If it past to the future—(Hear,adm
of his successor, which was
be true that this House is the court of appeal, and that present or antecedent
in India. Ie would not then
particular
yat iye
iuntlha
that
thaiiestt
8101, faa Lordtaenootf Ellen-
conduct
n fair l leeentroi
we are called on to exercise our judgment in such cases, rough to the administration
lam confident that the House will not proceed to per• now about to commenceH
form those duties and to pronounce an opinion on the bring before the ousledaenoyu
conduct of my Noble Friend the Governor-General of borough'shbouutsheeanwdouthe again
to attempt to prejudice the public mind
Directors.
India in his absence. Those considerations of justice and leave the
equity which induced the Right Hon. Gentleman opposite tainty, nor
the Court o
the
Ministry, at least AoneNowbhleo Lord,
gave
themwho had given notice of a motion on a matter which &con- against
con-
sidered of the utmost importance—l mean on the subject nected with
of the recent transactions in Gwalior—those same con- his support, said that the power which the Board of Di-
siderations of equity and justice which induced the Right rectors at present possessed should be taken from them,
Hon. Gentleman to postpone his motion, because Lord as it was both anomalous and absurd ; but he (Mr. Mac-
Ellenborough had been recalled ; those same considers- aulay) did not think it either anomalous or absurd, and he
tions, I say, must prevent the House from pronouncing felt it his duty, although not immediately connected with
any judgment in the absence of my Noble Friend, con- the Board of Directors, to stand up for the charter and
sequently I doubt whether, if the Hon. Gentleman should the East India Board of Directors. This was a
obtain the papers, his object would be gained. But, Sir, power which, he thought, they had hitherto exercised
that is not the ground upon which I offer my opposition en a salutary and proper manner, and which
to the motion of my Hon. Friend. The single point he promised should not be taken from them without a
which I think ought to be considered in this case is long struggle; but with respect to the exercise of that
what is most conducive to the interests of India, and the power in the present instance, since there were no
maintenance of British power in that country. By that papers laid before the House to help its judgment,
consideration, and upon that alone, was I influenced they should not hastily pronounce against the Board of
when we came to our decision.—(Hear,hear.) All perso- Directors. He would not touch upon any single act of
nalconsiderations were entirely suspended. Ido not deny Lord Ellenborough's but merely refer to the Court of
the right of the Hon. Gentleman to exercise his judgment Directors in the present' instance. The Court was
with respect to the affairs of Gwalior. When I inti- unanimous. They knew how the Court was composed.
mated a doubt as to the position which he assumed in They knew that there were to be found in that Court
the course of his observations, my doubt arose from this a great number of men eminently qualified to judge of
circumstance, that the Hon. Gentleman said, "the Duke the polioy of the Governor-General ; and he did not
of Wellington entertains opinions favourable to the believe that the most ignorant ten gentlemen, members