The Sun.
London, England, 1819-11-24 00:00:00

Ill'elsts nor protecting force agaitrst a don”slie
,I! N.: wan who kilece the state of the cotinity
'ry the neee.!rsity of strong measiires.—
nent %vas lo,•ked op to for proteetion—
''i!-)1"1(1 to affnid it, if for no other reason,
e,"; '0 justify the loyalty of the people. He
the sentiments and recommendations
`)Peceb. would make a due impression opt
o ,!'"e, and that when the promised informa-
,l,.".Ndrl be laid before them, they would apply
t4J'l'll.ttnetits to the consideration of it, as well
tl sileb a wise and berm tidal system of legisla-
ie,," Woolf) completely counteract the lois-
," projects of the ill-disposed in the cotto-
n, tie then moved the Address.
st;; VUST, in seconding the Address, oligerved
nt-,'lt,:,e.YPs of the country were now upon their
et,(''Pgs• The example of our venerable So-
tir,"---hs 'virtues, his emineut services to his
ttt(itYs would be long felt. He it WB3 Whlo pre-
t D the people of this country, when doting.
t;, mess of
IY Devolutionary principles, the pro-
4bout to itangfer to the pages of our own
C' thefollies • lid eceentt lc crimes of the
tith d
re) r....(140i1(1 cheers.)--The need not
Ifel4l,d of the had spit it which now appeared
tjrbeountry ; bit/iv-beating the very Judges on
eles,rim! abtisiiig all who were placed in
slate, and not only doing this, hut
to attack .the Throne Hell. Every nietn-
'til,,lbe aristocracy was set down as a corrup-
-140: and all were marked as enemies, save the
'101',x4,15 who liapoetied ►to wear wkitite,..ltats,4 rid
I)tti 4 .44 ilingc torittig enough to make speeches
1141 vv'ggon. For the evils which were maul-
-146 Itteinseive daily arglind Its, remetlies were
'l;Pl'lletl., but that wassuot
oat tX
.
them.; 1--;',or 10.9 patt.
said by a Peer of the realn a 4. rt tog
poe:;ldilY prints, that there w Crown a
414:011 to encroach •on "betties. of the
t„... -If such an intention' existed, the best
%thy reduce it be iosdemoy the
ti pietext.
ne Geolleittert who cattle rom I tao.isil dis-
vvl'ia, Blight he materiarto crate the condition
i tty.4(2" many distant districts were 1143ced•---
k'sl.l'lllLlil be itifortned of,.the nuttlefous inert-
;►lll',:" have taken place.,--the revolutionary flags
'nilitaev at ray that bare characterised se-
4')c He would refer them, fur hie
it' some resolutions passed at the Nliddle-
4tet
h- :eting a short t rate since. With re -
i;;`) the arrangement for the addition to
r4titly force, lie would refer the house to
stn lfviho
w(2,o,licinilyexplain it. But for
ti ,e sfuottid say, he' perfectly concurred
necessity alleettl for such addition. It
" been eta :living to those who declared
excisable articles, that there was Ftery
revenge of la.st i cc. 'Wit
t.::',,tlt:ftying• find that an improve ment was
'ire„ itfaec. Our relations with for: igo
„A the appeirance, of perortneitt.
Con- tittelital ?ration', too Inns; tle-
s,tll~ }' 5 'u col artiwc opinions,: siriSh to had it:i op•
14 repo,e, and are now Ilki,osed rather
.1t ;1: those ills they have, thari fly to out
s"tv know not of." Tie attempts to
't..rteiliotise of Coalitions would ' lie test nit-
ry lite Acts—the atteotigns to the p.oblic
te~f't Anil comforts of the !louse of Commons
e" 1. .l
he pi-oeress of infidelity and blasphemy
41' • farming.. The scoffers of our Littirgy,.
lte,' as the 11;hje itself, were prosectetil,
tll4;iti 's ,td. puut .Omt-nt. We
re all—of every:,
intetested in the
of the Chtis.tiait religion ; fur i'n
11114.1 re we superior to tIA beasts, it it was not-
;'la,,l"vrlettge of God ? lle begged pardon for
on their time. Ile implored the House,
1:7 -44,,r'd Tot y„ to retnern6.,-r what it was that
1.1 d to them, and io remember
t lip
-Y, Ilere caller) on to protect what was
to t • re pro
ISt"
and tat t we „
At'fcis.,--(llear, hear, hear .)
tx.l`l•lressr; 'Which was as usual, an echo to
!qlic , was•then read .from the Chair..
J°tti4`!.l::llNglr- bvlie.ved , that in tvl.at he was
!propose, be was departing from the
fly rftlinarily pursued on all preceding occa-
Itlctil4 the present •; bin he felt the less
doing, as the circutpstttoces
/11?1,1; prim to act in that manner were cl‘issi-
'4l4 ,
all which hid glue before them. It
hh~idatesip:cted that he would enact the further
'',(4,;140n.0f the.asto!rriopsof that part of the
tvqs. understood by all were
:414 ' it4.11 Y Co be" titatleoot by papers .to be cone-
th Ity Ihe II nose, before he would attempt
c4Ce"'llqatect However incoovenieot to the
)• * ' ;Hi i AntendroeUt on the first.
;J'y
.(11. 11 Ile
at Sessions int •gltt be, he do ot. t that
,t,I
t "4 must feel as he did, that Dot, a moment
s b 0 • - •
inst in-the pre,,ent state of -affairs, in,
thy foiwaid and tailing. upon tba House to
t nt Part of the Honourable Mover'sstate.
not au echo of the Royal Speech:
ith'ir;khe t
"ssured.t he. I:10110111'1We :\?(IeeF,C0111(1
re-Itort or thp:l did at all those bla,s-
-o
11);rieti, (lcietrlne.s:Wliiti);,b had been attempted to.
1%1%7 .`td througlinutAlte country ; but w hien ,
trl„,-,r9r. us, 1.0 l
.heensPreveottl, by the timely
Gent t`!n Cie the I +Ws. He did not wish at
fg
10 cut/cr. ou • this subject; because he
tl e.
,"tore fit .acca.sion would. offer it -
fur 4esfttfure lt period. He could, not jteo
alahcl
04111 y 11.e.iri that the progwss of
t. irrelieTitin Were grown to 5u...11 a height
ti‘t.la„e laws in their Present state %vete un-
will) them.. By. the vigilant con-
liqtt 01 I.llVl:lo.lVitit'ue exercise of !aft's On ltee
Magistrates,le 1 min persuaded no atitli-
kl/4t will be tomtit wantittg., ip order
lit wl) what is eilled disati,ction xenon g the.
but it is • 't• nof a differcorliature,
t, %sq.d (pleb 19
I MT) • lat kind iti4y be t)ece''"'Ytpt. fur
411 11' I
mtl (-°+Tti a people not posscssiog sAlicieot
bf 4:nce •
in the rolotioistration :item: I 60:
?if hte. Sir, to, declare, that the disalft:ction
iti„l44?ootry arises from the grc,ts 'till.; pressure
)"---alear bearcontinuing
ilit!'111 -$: 4)- d4y to. citioc, will continue to pro-
llit"rne results. It wasc,
wily nine months
stilt I:10ose was congratl,l,"ed tin rle
Naratee of the Revenue,Bll(l
toil)
!q?' ""te of the trade anti coma:Nee of the
t!ly
1, 21';1y (buy who pot those wolds two the
-% 1411--Otle believed
iv hat -teas then tittered,
eY
believed for the future would never

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' i 4 serve the belief of an"' one else. The
Revenue bad got worse end worse ever sieve that
time, and this was to be Called a ductoetion. If
so, it wets IlleSP fluctuations that did all the mil.
chief. He Confessed hiMself en ehirmist, and he
tilt that lie should not diecharge his duty to him-
self and his country, if he did not openly state it
, as his opinion, that there was not that confidence
in the Horse of Commons which there ototat
on-
•donhtedly to be for the satisfaction of the coun-
try. These feelings perva :ed the-higher classes ;
it was not
.contined to the Radicals, but had trade
great inroads amongst the middlieg classes and
many who, like him, did not in visionary
schemes of Retorts:, felt that somethin2 was wrong'
in the country, and a change sees neeessefy, 'the
Right lion. Member, adverting to the plans of
Reform, said, he was no friend to the prevalent
plans of Deform. It he were asked whether he
had changed his opinion of Reform, he would
openly avow that he had. He confessed Ire was
not so seem an advocate of the schemes of Re-
form as he had been in his eolith. He had not
grown wiser, but had gained more experience.--
The first notions of Reform had been sown so
long back as tie First American War, by 'Mr.
p,itt the weight of whose' iloir'actei• had operated
more in favour of Reform in Parliament than'had
since been attained by all the means that had been
employed to that eetf. Since that period this
great question had slumbered in the events of the
times, until tour years since, when the increasing
distress, arising from the evils of that Adminis-
tretien, bail aeain coiled it into agitation as a re-
needy; and was it Mit natural that the country
should blame the House of Commons as the
,Guardians of the Public' Purse, provided it
was badly administered—its contents squan•
shoed ? He (`tlr. Tierney) was an enemy
to the leaders of the Radicals. lie wished
decidedly and stronely to mark his contempt.
of their understanding ; but at the same time,his
jealousy of their object. He believed that some
of- these men had availed themselves of those
moments of popular clamour for Parliamentary
Reform, to tiling themselves into notice, from the
most sinister motives ; some from an excessive va-
nity to distiuguish themselves, others from a re-
markable paucity of iieellect, and the remainder
from a desire of mischief and destruction.—
(Hear, hear !)—lle begged to be understood,
that he set himself as MuCli against this set
of men as any Gentleman in that Horse could
do.-=-(Hear, hear !)—He did not carry his dis-
taste to sea great a height es many—to those
chess publications, which had excited the re-
probatiou of Government. After what had fal-
len flow him the House would of course not
be surprised that he agreed in all that had
been said as to the mischief done by those Radi-
cal Leaders, who so jostly drew on themselves
the contempt and deprecation of all honest men ;
but when it was pompously stated, that hundreds
cf thousands were collected together in different
parts of the kiegdpni, he must, in direct tel
say that lie did not believe such to be the fact.
should he remembered, that these hundred
(hoes:sods were made up of Men who marched
front place to place (and sorry lie was thw they
did so march),eand were in fact but the same
band of pleyers performing in different parts.—
These hundreds
.of thonsends, therefore, are but
60,000, or *so,' dispersed over the disturbed dis'-
isicts, These are occurrences deserving the con-
tempt, rather than celling', for the interposition
of the, strong hand of Government. In what
Other light, for instance, could be Viewed the
proceeding at Birmingham, in the election which
was seriously accomplished there, of a legislato-
rial Attorney ; they wOnld lint call him a Member
of Parliament, for that tame with them was
odious. It this legislatorial Attorney were to at.
tempt to take hit seat in that House, he'helieved
be would find it the most inconvenient seat he
ever took in his life. In considering the question
of Parliamentary Reform in the present times,
Gentle eeu of that House must not feel too imS
patient at that rigid scrutiny to which all their
proceedings were subjected to out of doors. Did
Gentlemen make sufficient allowance- for that
vast accessiout of learning and edeication which
Lai. been 'acquire& by the lower classes—
the Radicals of the present day—during the
lest twenty years, when the qnestion of Pare
liamentary Reform was first agitated ?—Learn-
log is no longer, as it was then, enveloped.
in a shroud of sacred mystery: There is now
scarcely a peasant who is not, or !toes not think
himself, capable of discussing Parliamentary pro-
ceedings ; and as the nation 'advances in edoce-
tion,. Gentlemen must be prepared to submit to
;that examination of their measures, which would
proceed in proportion as their seretators became
-mere enlightened day atter day. Opinions which
were tolerated in those days, would now meet at
the corner of every street persons who would
bring to shame whoever shoeld, now entertain
such language. If it were ateemp:ed to stop this
plogiess in reason by means of influence—it at
the headpf a military force it should be attempted
to bring about a return to ignorance, the nation
would be brought to the verge of a dreadful crisis,
t. bleb it was appaliine, to contemplate. The
Right Hon. Gentleman then proceeded to observe,
that he shotild indeed have been deceived in his
•
lonsoiou of the Hon. Mover, it he had eliewn
Itiru-
a to lie so completely the mouth-piece of the
Noble Leader 'of his side of the Howie-, as not to
hese taken notice. of -the events of the 16th of
of Ateenst 'last. Never was the country in a more
agitated state then prior to that day, but since
then the case was completely changed, and what
now constiosted the grievanees of the people,
eed claimed elf 'their attene;ein was, the matter
which arose ant of the' 16th of August, and
is h ie despite of 'Ministers is-ill be sifted from
ire end to the other. The Hose. Member then
said, that he tiholll.lmove an Address to his Royal
highness the Prince Regent, hoping that he
would not allow a day to pass without instituting'
full inquiry into the late proceeding's •at Malls
chester. It was after the attainment of that ob-
ject, that be was aexions to know the -necessity
employine a militaiy force for the dispersion of
the millefoide, who hail lust their leaders. The
ciAtiP2 slashing about of the military, was:
no dwibt eXaggerated, but there were still cer-.
!ails thie.gs on, which it was impossible to shut
one's. eyes—the lotictuary 'returns of periods

biought in ivotieded, and the Inquests on per-
sons wlio met their deeik on the day of 'he
meeting. There is no doubt, the military were
employed Oti account of 11 r. Naein's saying lie
could tint arrest without their assistance; but wogs
this dote, they shotild pursue poor, iniserahle,
defenceless wretches, is by no meens 'so evident
Did the Magistrates, who must have seen all this
from their witedows, interpose their aoteority to
protect them from the drawn sables of their pur-
suers ? Why were the yeomanry, composed ee it
is of Gentlemen, who during the lest four months,
have had their properties awl lives eedengteed
these men—why, he 'repeated, were these men
employed, who, if all the troops in EiljilOO had
been in the town, are the only forces o Iticll should
have been ordered ont of it It was not too much
for him, voider all the circumstances of the casee
to call for an important iuqeiry into the proceed-
ings at Manchester. lie was aware that it would
be highly improper to prejudge any question about
to be brought before the ordinary tribunals of the
country, bet he was not aware that aey cause was
pending which would bring the transactions of the
Mit of August before a Court of Justice. The
trial of Mr. limit could not do this, as that for
which he was to be tried, a censpiracy, must have
'elicit place, if at all, before the time of the
meeting. Solar as he %vas info' used, no proceedings
were in progress !het would bring the dispersion
of the mob on the IGtli August at Manchester be-
fore a Court of Justice. Bet if there were, it
would not make a shade of differeece. They (the
House of Comm ins) were the .great inquest •if
the nation, guff when it came to their knowledge
that, at a public meeting, a great number of per-
sons had been mehned, and sonic killed, were
they to be told that they were not to inquire into
the eiremustnnces of the case, as cousin trials
were pending, and the parties aggrieved ought to
he lett tO seek redress for themselves? He should
like to know how the poor sufferers were to ob-
tain redress against a body of Megistratee. The
present case was one which peculiarly called for
their interference. It was toot a case in which
John Thompson bad knocked down George Jack-
son, in a quarrel with which nobody but them-
selves had any thing to do. This was a case
which came to every one. He should like to
know what could be thought of the Lord Lieute-
nant of a County, himself a Minister, who, on a
requisition being sent to hint, %ehich was going-
to the Sheriff, the object of which was to call a
Meeting, not to inquire into the proceedings
which had taken place at Manchester, but to pe-
thion the Ptince Regent to call the Parliament
together, that a Parliamentary Inquiry might take
place.—What, would be said to the Lot d Lieute-
nant of a county, who being one of his Majes-
ty's Ministers, bad, upon receiving this requisi-
tion, written to the Slreriff to whom it• was to be
forwarded, desiring hitt) not to grant the Meeting,
" because it would bOunconstitutionel," lie
would ask if such conduct did not seem to show
a suspicion of the House of Commons ? If this
did not amount to a breach of their privileges, it
was against' all decorum, as it went to announce
to the Whole country that those who wished to
stand well with men in. office must not ,attend
such meedtegs as had recently taken place on the
subject.' of .tbe proceedings at Manchester,
When be saw these things, be-was convinced that
an lequiry must tape place. 'Though it should
not he granted to•night, be was quite satisfied
that it must ultimately be gone into. The Hon,
Mover had called upon theM to ley aside all party
feelings, and unite for the public good. He
wished Ministers had shown that they were dis-
posed to do so. 'Be i bow had they endeavoured
to unite all parties ? Why, by dismissing Earl
Fitzwilliam from the Lord Lietitenautcy of the
Nest Riding'of Yorkshire, for no other offence
than that he had differed from the Lord Lieu-
tenant of whonehe had just spoken, by calling for
that inquiry which the other had opposed. - He
did tint think there was a man iii the country with
whom the people sympathieed more warmly then
they did with Earl Fitzwilliam.—(Hear, hear,
hear !)---The Right "Immutable - Gentleman
proceeded, amidst loud cheers, to eulogize the
past services of Earl Fi:zwilliam, and to cen-
sure his removal. The Constitution of the
Country was at stake in the debate of that
night. Wes it the intention of Ministers to gee.
vern the country by a military force, by severe
laws, mid by coercion ? If this were what they
wished, and if in this the House thought fit to
indulge them without enquiry, it would .be use- •
less for him, or for any ceher Man, to raise his
voice there in favour of the liberty of the people;
from that Moment they vvould-lie at the mercy of
the Minister; and the fatal line of separation
would he drawn between the upper and the lower '
classes of society. Ile concluded by moving, as
an amendment, -the addition 'of words to the
Address—" 'assure his -Royal Highness, that,
called together at' a period of such unexampled
distreis and extraordinat y agitation in some of
the most populous manufacturing districts, the
Haase winkd immediately proceed to take
into its most serious consideration the im-
portant linnets set forth in the Speech,—humbly
to express to his Royal Highness their reproba-
tion of the attempts made by individuals to inflame
the lower classes.by
,engaging theM ip schemes,
injurious to the. peace of the country, and ho•tile
to its Constitution: which they (tbefit/use of Cam.
mons) were determined to maintain against ever.;
species of encroachment or attack. That while
they were thus determined to uphold the atoll°.
rity of the laws, they telt it to be their duty so to
conduct themselves as to-satisfy the people of the
country that their representations should not fail
tti receive that ready attention which was indispen-
sably necessary to their safety and -freedom ; and
that, deeply.regretting the events of the IGth of
August, that House., without pronouncing an
opiniOn On what had occurred on diet melancholy
occasion' at Manchester, felt that the transac;ions
alludedTo called for an early, diligent, and
inquiry, on-thepart of the •Houseeie order
to prove that (he measures of severity which had
been resorted to were the result of the most urgent
and unavoidable necessity, or that the Coostitu-
tion mei slot be violated, and the lives of the pco•
pie sacrificed with impunity."
The Marquess of TevlsTocie seconded the
Ainenthnent. lie strongly insisted on the necTs-
tity-oi 6tielliatiog the people by innitutius an

inquiry into the proceedings at Man-
chester. On this occasion be In parry feelings
would he laid aside ; aod; for himself; :-e orelared
that be would only support that proaosiu ioo
Which he thuOight best calculated to promote tha
welfare of the people. He had agreed with the
Noble Lord opposite, that the How-c, in ter-
minating the Pro:Jetty Tax, had adooued a mea-
sure of relief for themtelves, bur none for 'the
people. If tl:e Chancellor of the Exchequer were
to propose a3l new Property Tax, he, fur rote,
would vote for it. Rot then those Tq'neS MOSE
be diminished which pressed most heavily on the
people. .This done; and a System of economy
and retrenchment adopted, Melt, and not till
then, he would he content to vote fur a ne•-v Pro-
perty Tax. The House should act caotiously,
lest they drove the, people to desperation by re-
' fusing iin into the late proceedings, end by
resteina:ically opposing themselves to every pro-
position for a Reeorm. Till some Reform were
effected, he was of opinion that that House ne-
ver would, and never ought to have that weight
which it was always desirable that a House of
Commons should possess. TheiNoble Marquess
proceeded at considerabledength to:cOthunetut on -
the Inquest at Oldham--ou the Answer given to
a late City Address, -in toue that was almost
inamlible in the Gallery ; and again set felt!) the
importance of attending to the wishes islet prayers
of the people, and, above all, of avoiding to do
Boy thing that might seem like treating them with
rigour or contempt.
Lord dAsTi.e..Rl446 said, after the amend-
ment which had been moved, and the speeeh
which it loud been prefaced, be thoughl-tite House
would feel that it was impossible for.hiii not to
offer a few remarks on some of thelOPlea which
had been brought:into discusiion., He was -sure
that they Would feel there never Was a period in
the history of the country in which a"more awful
responsibility tested on Ministers than that which
now attached to them. Feeliog this, and lookin
at the state of the nation, they Itad thought it ne-
cessary to call Parliament together, and, omitting
to do this, be was of opinion that they would have
compromised their duty to the Crown,and neglect-
ed the best interests of the country. In the debate
of this night, and in the discussions which would
follow, he hoped that that temper would be main-
tained which the dignity of Parliament required,
and which was not less called for by the state of
-the country. Whatever the Right Hon. Gentle-
man might say of that House having lost the con-
fidence.ot the people, (and.much of his speech had
a tendency to diminish public confidence, and
thus opposed itself to the practical purpose of
their meeting), he was of opinion,- that by the,
manner in which it had faced the greatest chili-
culties,--,-hy the courage and firmness which it
had displayed,—and by the anxiety it had mani- •
tested for the welfare of the people, it had de-
,•
served, and possessed the confidence of the
public. %triter, in the-name of God, but that :
confidence conk, have supported and enabled them
to catty the country trinmphaotly throtio the
greatest clangers that had ever menaced a nation,
and that any Government had ever had to face
It was a great satisfaction to his mind to ,
;learn, that the Rig,ht Hon. Gentletw.n haul no •
other reason for prdposing Auuentlineot, bat
he had hoped to gain from that Amendment more
precise information with respect to the sentiments
of the Right Hon. Gentlemen, than he found in
it, as, he had declared it was necessary that every
Member should speak out. Ile did not find art
example of the sort in the Amendment of the
Right Hots. Gentleinan. It merely went, in ge-
neralterms, to call for a Parliamentary Inquiry
with respect to the late proceedings at Manches-
ter, and to combine the expression of a Resolu-
tion to uphold the authority of the Laws, with
that of a determination to maintain the rights
and liberties of the people. lie seemed to
think the whole :night be got rid of by
a course of proceeding Which be and his friends'
would recommend, but particular measnies had
not been elscribed, either by the Attorney-Gene-
ral or the Noble Lord. The Right Honoerable
Gentleman merely passed his pencil over the
canvas, sketched Iris outline, arod left the rest to be
filled up at some future opportenity. 'Since such
was the course taken by the flight Hon. Gentle-
man, he (Lord Castlereagh) thought be stiould
best study the convenience of the House, by di•
viding those subjects into the discussiOns which
the Right Hon. (.;eetleman bad not thought fit to.
enter. Lie proposed to-morrow to lay on the table';
of theHonse the intelligence alluded to in tlieSi.teeelt,
front the Throne, which (as' lie had already trited)'
n
would be in a printed form. That no time (night '
be lost, on Friday, if agreeable to.the Hetise, he
mould open the measures wiiiihGovernment were '
of opinion it would be 'expedient to adopt. • Be-
fore any one measure should be brought in, be
thought it right that the HOuse should be put its
possession of a general view of the state of the
country, and of the difficulties and dangers against -
which Government thought it't heir duty to pro-
vide. The House would then have the advantage,
in debating each particular measure, of observing •
its bearing on the general state of the ;-ountry.
The mode he had suggested) would, be thought,
bring the whole subject in the shortest nod must
convenient manner before the House, and, as the •
pet iod wbich'he proposed to do this was so
short, be was satisfied that, for that night, he
might be excused front enteriug on .so extensive
and important a field of discussion. • He now
came to speak of that part 'of the Amendment
which wen: to pledge -the Muse to an inquiry
into the proceedings at Manchester. The events
which bad occurred at that place gave no man
more pain than he had felt on the occasion ;, but,
at previous periods of our history Many calamities -
equal in extent to that which it was proprised
should now he the subjtict of a Parliamentary
(pity, had occurred, hot he believed it was impos-u-
-sible for the Rig!ut Hon. Gentleman or any other
Hon. Gentleman to point out one single
,iostance.
in which that course had been pursued which he'
recomtnended in that early stage is which the
events of Manchester were it present seen. It
nothing was said in the Prince Regeot's Speech
about Mancisver, this had been omitted on
.ouninds which' would hereafter be staled. The
mind of man could imagine nothiog more
fatal to that calm and impartial administration of
justice thou tnat unadvised 44crie; eine on the part