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LAW INTELLIGENCE.
ROUSE OF LORDS, Feb. 27.

The House sat to-day to hear appeals. The Peers
present were the Lord Chancellor, Lord Brougham,
Lord Cottenham, and Lord Campbell.

HOARE V. BYNG, M.P.

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This case came before their Lordships upon appeal
from the decision of the Master of the Rolls. ,The
question in the case was whether, according to the con-
struction of the will and codicils of the late Earl of
Strafford, the respondent, Mr. George Byng, the
Member for Middlesex, took an absolute, or only a life
Interest in the residuary property of the late Earl of
-Strafford, amounting to upwards of 400,0001. On the
vase coming on before the Master of the Rolls; after
•several proceedings before him, his Lordship de-
cided that the respondent took an absolute interest in
the residue, and from that decision the present appeal
was brought.
Mr. Kindersley and Mr. Turner appeared for the ap-
pellant, -and the Solicitor-General and Mr. Romilly
were counsel for the respondent.
Their LORDSHIPS, after hearing Mr. Kindersley and
Mr. Turner, without calling upon the Counsel for the
responde4t to address the House, gave judgment, dis-
missing the appeal with costs.

COURT OF QUEEN'S BENCH, Feb. 26.
(Sittings at Guildhall, before Lord DENMAN and a Special
Jury.)
THE CUSTOM-HOUSE FRAUDS.

THE QUEEN, ON THE PROSECUTION OF THE COMMISSIONERS
OF CUSTOMS, V. PETER WILLIAMS, CHARLES MOTTRAM, AND

JOINT HORSLEY.

This was an indictment arising out of the late frauds upon
the Crown through the Custom-house revenues, to the extent
of about half a million of money, with the history of which,
almost in minute detail, the public are already familiarly
acivainted. The bill of indictment was found at the last
June sessions of the Central. Criminal Court, and removed
by certiorari at the instance of the Commissioners of Cus-
toms.

The Attorney-General, the Solicitor-General, Mr. Thesiger
(Queen's Counsel), and Mr. Pollock, were for the prosecu-
tion ; Mr. Cockburn (Queen's Counsel), and Mr. Clarkson ap-
pearcd br the defeLd tnt Mottiant.

The brief summary of the case is, that the defendants were
carrying on business in partnership in the way of French
'goods and the like, and in the month of September,
1840, by conspiracy, &c., carried through the Custom-
house, goods to the amount of 5801. or thereabouts, pay-
ing only 40/., instead of 88/., thereby defrauding the revenue
of ithe difference. The defendant Williams had pleaded
guilty, Horsley had not been taken
.or appeared at all, and
Mottram said that he knew nothing about it. Mottram had
been a linendraper in an extensive way of business in
Lamb's Conduit-street, and In -Janvary, 1840, relinquished
that business, and went into partnership with the 'other de-
fendants in Wood-street, Cheapside, as Manchester and silk
-warehousemen and importers of " foreign fancy goods."
They became bankrupt,- and there was a fiat, which produced
a great sensation, and the examination of Mettram was ad-
journed for three years. One Burnby, living then in Eus-
ton-square, of whom all the world has heard so much, and
who by his multifold and various devices in almost every
species of fraud had almost made fiction upon such
matters uninteresting, tempted the firm, and all would have
fallen but that the first attempt resulted in an abortion, as
the only mode of avoidance of manifest detection. Fraud
'succeeded,
however, time after time afterwards, but Mot-
tram, who alone now at the trial attempted a defence,
averred that ha had no knowledge of or connexion with
anything but the abortion, which would not support the
indictment. About all that supervened he was wholly inno-
cent and unconscious. In fact, he was so shocked at the
.first attempt, or the failure of it, that though a partner in
the house, he never, as his counsel from ,instruction stated,
had the faintest knowledge of, or idea about, any of the
future transactions connected with the revenue duties. The
man Burnby,' however, who appeared to have been dismissed
from the service of 'the Crown 'for sundry enormities, but
subsequently retained by the Crown at 15s. a day to de-
tect and prove the guilt of others, gave a very different ac-
count from that set up by Mr. Mortram and quite proved
the sagacity of the counsel of setting a thief to catch a thief.
Mr. Cockburn freely called him " a perjured villain, covered
in his scoundrel infamy, who had had the barefacod effron-
tery to come into the Court and tell the jury that he was
kept by the Commissioners of Customs—fed by them on 15s.
a day—and retained like a wild beast, ready to pounce upon
any victim determined upon as being, in their caprice, to be
devoured."
Lord DENMAN summed up the case, commenting with
some calm severity upon the bearing of the evidence in
proof of the guilty participation of the defendant Mottram,
though with deepest indignation at the conduct of the man
Burnby, whose evidence had been necessary to make out
'the case. _ _ _ _

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The jury retired for about two hours, and returned with a
verdict of Guilty generally.
Sentence stood deferred without observation.

COURT OF COMMON FLEAS, Feb. 27.
(Before Lord Chief Justice TINDAL.)
LORD WM. PAGET v. THE EARL OF CARDIGAN.
CREST. CON.
This being the day specially fixed for the trial of the long
talked-of cause of Lord William Paget v. the Earl of
Cardigan, a considerable number of persons had collected
'outside, the Court of Common Pleas, at Guildhall, long before
the doors were opened. Shortly after the public were ad-
mitted every part of the Court was filled with spectators.
Amongst those who were present we noticed the Earl
of Errol.

' The Lord Chief Justice having come into Court exactly- at
.half-past nine o'clock, the jury specially summoned in the
cause were sworn.

The counsel for the plaintiff were Sir Thomas Wilde,
Mr. Sergeant Talfourd, and Mr. Wordsworth ; for the de-
fendant, the Solicitor-General, Mr. Sergeant Channell, and
Mr. Peacock.

Mr. WORDSWORTH opened the pleadings. This was an
action brought by William Paget, Esq., commonly called
lord William Paget, against James Thomas Earl of Car-
digan, for criminal conversation with his wife Frances. The
defendant denied the fact alleged.

Sir TITOMASWILDE said that his Learned Friend had. just
,stated the nature of this case, which was an action for a
criminal conversation, brought by Lord W. Paget against
the Earl of Cardigan, and he was sure it was enough for the
jury to know the nature of the case, and the station of the
•parties concerned, to ensure their serious attention. Con-
'sidering the station and intelligence of the jury, he would
.not waste their time by going into any of the details of the
case. _They would see that the case was one which, if antis-
.facterily established by evidence, was of a very serious na-
ture, and one upon which they were called on to exercise
.their best judgment. He would content himself with
barely stating the facts he was instructed to lay before
.them in evidence, and he had no doubt but they would give
.a full measure of justice to the plaintiff, if they were
satisfied he had proved his case. Lord William
Paget was the second son of the Marquis of Anglesey,
and was connected with some of the highest families in the
kingdom. The Earl of Cardigan was also. a nobleman not
perhaps unknown to them, and for many years he and Lord
-Wm. Paget were on terms of familiar intercourse. He was
a person on whose honour the plaintiff thought he could rely
`with confidence, and that he would not abuse the friendship
which subsisted between then. However, on a late occa-
sion, from some- intimations which reached Lord William,
he had reason to belieyathat an improper intercourse had
arisen between his lady and the Earl of Cardigan. In the
month of August, Lord Wrn. Paget went to reside in Queen-
street, Mayfair, and from what he had heard he resolved upon
taking steps to ascertain whether what he had heard of
his wife was correct or not. Lady William Paget had been
out of town, and came to the house in Queen-street on
Friday. On Saturday, the sth of August, arrangements were
made between Lord William Paget. and a persOn of the name
',if 'Winter, that he (Winter) should place himself under the
soft of one of the drawing-rooms•where it was supposed the
parties were likely to meet, make his observations, and re-
port them to Lord William Paget. There were two adjoin-
ing drawing-rooms separated by a folding door, and in
•each drawing-room there was a' sofa. . The witness
•placed himself under a sofa in the back drawing-room
with the aid of a person named John Thomas,
valet to Lord William Paget. On that day Lord Cardigan
came to Queen-street as was expected.: He and Lady IVil-
- Paget were alone in the drawing-room. Some conver-
6ttion of. a fsiniliar nature took place between them. He
kissed her; but on that day nothing of a criminal nature
eceured. Enough, however, had transpired to show the feel-
ing existed on both sides. An appointment was
made that Lord Cardigan should come again on the Sunday.
Lord William Paget informed his 'lady that lie was going
down on Sunday to Woolwich to see his son, who was in the
}oyal Academy, and it was arranged that Winter should on the
Sunday place himself ender the sofa in the front drawing-room,
but he was not able to do so in consequence of Lord Car-
4igan's coming sooner than was expected. Lady Paget
tried to pittas many of the servants as she could out of the
way. The witness Winter placed himself in the same posi-
iion in which he was in on the Saturday, under the sofa in
She back parlour. On this occasion he was able to see -what
oecurred in consequence of part of the folding-door being
left open, and after Lord Cardigan and Lady Paget
were toying for some time, the witness describes that
a criminal connection took places between them,
and shortly afterwards • was completed a second time.
When Lord Paget was informed of what took place, he re-
turned home, and challenged his lady with what had occurred,
and, being in a state of excitement, he certainly conducted
himself with considerable violence towards her. He then left
biar, upon which she sent-a letter to Lord Cardigan, inform-
ing him of what had occurred. He did not know whether
that letter would be produced; but it was quite certain that
Lady Paget had made a communication of what had occurred
s.,so Lord Cardigan. Lord William Paget was an officerin the
lAsoy, and, on the first impulse, had adopted that proceeding
which men of honour usually have recourse to ; but he was
interfered with, and he now brought the present action.
lord Wm. Paget, as he said before, was the second son of
thl Marquis of Anglesey. He was of the highest birth, and
was connected-with persons of the highest rank and fortune,
but he was limited in his means, so that he was not in a con'
dition.to associate with persons in the same rank in that
leaner which it might be wished he should. He would not,
therefore, be able to lay before them such a body of evi-
dence as would prove that Lord Wm. Paget maintained his
wife in the style which it might be expected he should from
high rank, but he had no reason to doubt
that iie entertained the warmest affection for her,
Old though it might appear that he was occasionally subject
to some sallies of ill-temper, yet his general conduct towards
his wife was that of extreme affection. Such was the nature
of the case which it would be his duty, on the part of the
plaintiff, to tender in evidence. He was aware of the town-talk
to which this case had given rise, and he thought he would be
best discharging his duty by simply and truly stating the
facts of the case as they would ,be detailed in the evidence
'which he would lay before them. He knew he was address-
ag gentlemen of intelligence—gentlemen who enjoyed all the
felicity of married life, and who, therefore, stood in need of no

remarks of his to estimate the extent of the injury which had
been done his client. • - .
The following evidence on the part-of the plaintiff was
then adduced :
James Rose, examined by Sergeant TALFOURD—I am
clerk to the plaintiff's attorney in this cause. He produced
the certificate of the marriage between Lord William Paget
and Frances de Rottenburg, which was solemnized on the
22d of January, in the year 1827, in the parish of Walcot, in
Somersetahire.
The Hon. Captain Keith, examined by Mr. WORDSWORTH
—I am a captain in the Royal Navy. I know Lord William
Paget. I was present at Bath when he was married. It was
on the 22d of January, 1827. I have not seen either Lord
William Paget or his lady for fifteen years.
Cross-examined by theSotwrroa-GENEam--She was the
daughter of General de Rottenburgh. Lord William Paget
' was very young when he married.
Frederick Winter, 'examined by Sergeant WILDR—In the
month of August of last yeai• a communication was made to
me by Lord William Paget. I went to his house in conse-
quence. I was placed under the sofa in the back drawing-
room, with the assistance of his valet. It opened into
the front drawing-roam by a folding door. There
was a sofa in the front drawing-room, and another in
the back room. I did not see Lord Cardigan on that day ;
that was on the Saturday. Lady Wm. Paget was brought
down by Lord Win. Paget. She was in the front drawing-
room. I heard a gentleman's voice in the front drawing-
room. I did not see his person on the Saturday. Lord
Paget left the room after bringing his lady down ; they came
down together. The gentleman whose voice I heard re-
mained in the front room more than an hour. The person
whose voice I heard came about a quarter of an hour after
Lord W. Paget left. After the person came the folding-
doors were closed. I communicated to Lord Paget what I
heard. I went to Lord Paget on the Sunday about three
o'clock. I went under the same sofa. I saw Lord Paget when
I went. I saw him in the dining-room and afterwards in the
drawing-room. After some time he went out. Lady Paget
went out in some carriage to ride. I think it was after
Lord William Paget went out. I saw Lord Car-
digan on that day. I was not under the sofa when
Lord Cardigan came in. It was arranged that I should go
under the sofa in the front parlour, but Lord Cardigan came
in quite unexpectedly. I then went down, and afterwards
went under the sofa in the back room. The door was shut,
but it was soon half opened by Lady Paget. I could see that
the dog" was opened. I saw Lady Paget. She came from
the front to the back parlour. The back drawing-room win-
dow was open. She came and dosed it, and pulled down the
blind. She afterwards pulled down the blind in the front
room. The door was left open by her. She then said,
" You are come then." Lord Cardigan said, " Yes ; how do you
do? Where is he, or where is Lord William ?" She said,
"He is gone to Woolwich with Billy." Lady William then
asked him how he liked the opera? Ile said he liked it very
well, but not so much as if he had been able to have closer
conversation with her. Then there was a whispering. I
could not distinguish the words. I distinctly heard
kissing. In a moment or two they were quiet, and
I heard nothing but breathing. It was hard breath-

ing, as people would breathe after running. There
was a creaking of boots upon the sofa. I then drew myself
from underneath the sofa and along the floor till I came to
the door. I peeped in and saw his Lordship's boots with the
heels upon the sofa ; he was lying on his stomach. I also
saw Lady William and saw that her clothes were disordered.
I saw her legs very plain. She was on the sofa. I saw her left
leg. I have no hesitation in saying that there was sexual in-
tercourse between them. There was a conversation between
them, and I crept back to my place. I then heard his Lord-
ship as if falling off the sofa, and he seemed to be walking
about as if he was' adjusting his dress. His Lordship then
remarked, " There, that is some of the seed of misery l" Lady
William laughed. She then came into the back parlour,
pulled up the blind, and arranged the window as she found it.
She then returned to the front drawing-room, and pulled up
the blinds there. I cannot say whether one or two.
They then appeared to sit down, and Lady Wil-
liam asked him if he could not get her a situa-
tion for a man who was in the Post-office. Lord Cardigan
asked if he were a respectable man ? Lady William said,
" Oh, yes, very respectable, he is in the Post-office, and has a
salary of 120/." Lord Cardigan said he could not do it, be-
cause he was not in very good favour with.the present Ad-
ministration, and would not ask them for anything. She then
asked if he could not do it through the influence of some no-
bleman, whom she mentioned. He then said he really could
not do it. Lady William then said, " Oh, you ought to do so ;
it is for me, and will put Lord William into good humour."
Then there was whispering again, and I heard kissing. I
heard the same noise as I had heard before, but I did not
come from under the sofa on the second occasion. Then the
conversation turned on the place where Lord William was to
dine. It was said that he was going to dine with the Duke
of Richmond. Lord Cardigan asked if she could not stay
away, under the plea of headache, or meet him somewhere.
She then said, " Don't you know Lord William better than
that? If he should call and not find me there, he would
go stark staring mad, and go to all the policemen in town."
Then Lady William hinted 'to him whether he was fond of
her. His Lordship then said Oh, indeed lam ; I never loved
any one as Ido you. His Lordship then said, Is not Lord
William very fond of you? She said, Oh, no, he is
very unkind to me, he calls me all the d— d b—s
he can think of. Lord Cardigan said, Does he ?
that is very wrong of him. Then there was whis-
pering again. I did not hear the words, but I heard him
kiss Lady William again. He wished her gotid-bye, and left
the room. Lord Cardigan was there over two hours. I saw
Lord William in about ten. minutes afterwards in Charles-
street, Berkeley-square, and informed him of what I have
stated to-day. I received a note. in consequence of which I
saw Mr. Fisk. I saw Lord William Paget in Queen-street.
My occupation was that of a solicitor's clerk.
Cross-examined by the Soucrrou-GFsEnAL--I was here
when the cause was appointed before for December. I came
by myself. I came here about ten o'clock. I was not here
so early as half-past nine. I will swear that. I left some
time after I came. I did not go to Mr. Bebbs. I saw him
last week. I saw Lord Willialn at his house in Oxford-street
the week before last. I never walked arm-and-arm with
Lord William. I never smoked arm-and-arm with him in
the street. I smoked on one occasion when walking with
him. I was not arm-and-arm with him. He had an um-
brella, and I went under it. I dined two or three times with
his Lordship. When I went to him he used to ask me if I
would have a bit. I used to be sometimes glad to
get it. I drank with him—not wine. I never saw
any wine with him. It used to be half-and-half.
I dined sometimes with the servants. I first became ac-
quainted with Lord William when I was clerk at Mr.
Hamer's the attorney. I waited upon him then several
times there. I have never been engaged in any swindling
transaction while at Mr. Hamer's. Lord William used to be
a.great deal at Mr. Hamer's. I know a Miss Bellew. I don't
know what Lord William was doing with Mr. Hamer. I
know a Mr. Cassidy. He used to come there almost every
day. I know Mr. Gompertz. I don't recollect his being
there with Lord William. I don't know a person called the
Marquis de Bourbelle. I was with Mr. Hamer till 1842.
Mr. Hamer was in the habit of having a great many ladies.

I married a young wife, and I did noti-thilik it right that she
should wait upon them. Mr. Hamer did not threaten to
prosecute me for embezzlement. He never charged me with
stealing. I left him on the best terms. I was since employed
to take a Mr. Rigby for a Mr. Lewis, an attorney. I took
him and got 101. for my services. I was afterwards clerk to
Mr. Bartlett. I received money for Mr. Bartlett. I do not
recollect receiving money for him which I did not pay. over.
I might or might not have received such money. I did not
apply a portion of the money I received to my own purpose.
There was I believe one wrong entry in the book I kept.
Since I left Mr. Bartlett's I have been out of employment.
I left him in July, 1843. I received 11. a week for some
time from Mr. Bebb, Lord William Paget's attorney. I got
11, from him with my subpoena. I am not to get any money.
I hope, however, that if the trial goes on Lord William
will be kind to me. He will be very ungrateful if he does not.
Lord William gave'me the coat and waistcoat I have on me.
I met Lord William one day in January. Lord 'Wil-
liam has charged me with defrauding him about a bill of ex-
change. He gave me the bill to get it discounted. I did not
get it discounted. . I heard that he was angry about it. A
friend of mine has the bill. I drew the bill. Lord William
.
accepted it. I was to discount it. I went in a few days to
Lord William to state to him the circumstances relating to
the bill.. The note handed up is in my handwriting. I wrote
it at the dictation of Miss Bellew. I did not send to him any
letters I got from Mr. Hamer. I took them to her. They
Were in my custody as clerk. Before I went to Mr. Hamer
I lived with Mr. Swaby. He was a relation of Mr. Hamer's.
1 lived with him as valet. I sometimes drove the coach from
Southampton for a bit of fun. I went sometimes to Epsom
Races. L never had anything to do with the gambling
booths. - I was asked to go down there last summer, for
which I was to get 15s. or 11. a day.
- • SometTott-GEstEttib—Were You to act as a decoy or a
bonnet 2—You may call. it Ats• you wish. I heard of the
name bonnet. _ I was never one. I was offered this through
a Mr. Weeks. He was a client of Mr. Hamer's. I don't
know what I was,tb do at the races. I did not get my ap-
pointment till I went down. Before I went to Mr. Swaby's
I lived with a family in the Isle of Wight as butler. I should
hope that Lord William would be • kind to me for coming
here to-day. I might havesaid that I expected to be set up '
in a public-house, or that I would take the Clarendon if it
was to be let. I said a great many things. I saw Lord
William on .the 'subject of the bill in March or February,
1843. I saw him since, but did not speak to
him till I was sent for with regard to this business.
When I got the note I went to Mr. Fisk, Lord William's
attorney. I. there saw Lord William at Queen-street. He
asked me how I was, and told me something about Lady
William and other parties, which he said he did not believe,
for he thought that Lady William was as good a woman as
ever lived. He said, if aie proved to be virtuous, he should
be the happiest man living. I at first did not like to go
under the sofa, but at last I consented. The sofa has a val-
iance to it. I went under the sofa between one and two
o'clock. Lady William was in the house at the time. Lord
William went up, and they came down together. There is a
stair-case and a landing-place. There is a folding-door
between the two drawing-rooms. There is an easy-chair
near one of the windows. I did not see Lord Cardigan sitting
on it on Saturday. Part of the sofa in the back room comes
to the folding-door. Lord William Paget went to Bryan-
stone-square on the Saturday. I heard that Lord and Lady
Paget were going to the opera, to a box'which Lord Cardigan
had. John Thomas opened the sofa for me, and let the
valiance down. I could not see without lying on the ground
and keeping my face on the carpet. John Thomas was the
valet. He came to relieve me, and said that all was right,
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sofa in the front drawing-room on SundaY. I went under
the sofa in the back room after Lord Cardigan came. I got
in through a door on the landing. I hake- not given accounts
of this several times. I gave an aecetta to Major Close on
the Monday... I don't recollect saying that Lrernained under
the sofa all the time. I think I told him I got out. The
account was in writing. I gave another verbally. What I
said .to Major Close I said in a very confused way. I
don't recollect saying to Lord Williain Paget that I could not
see anything. 1 don't reccolleet saying' so to Major Close.
I will not swear that I did 'or did not. , I told two or three
persons after the occurrence that I came from under the sofa.
I don't know what I might have said to Major Close. I saw
Lord William the night before. r saw him with Major Close
the next day. I am almost positive I told Lord William the
night before that I came from under- the sofa. I will swear
that I did. I will not swear that I said so the next day. I
did not get any .sherry before I went under the sofa. I
wanted something as I did not like the job. I did not agree
what sum I was to get for the job. I don't recollect aperson
named Mark Taylor, who lives in Upper Baker-street. I
don't recollect ever going to Baker-street with Lord William
Paget. I know a person named Nathan, asheriff's-officer. I
did not know that Lady Paget had come to town. While at
Bartlett's, an application was made to me to swear an affi-
davit. I agreed to swear it. I was asked by Mr. Fisk,
and got a pound for swearing it.
In the presence of Mr.
Fisk and Mr. Bartlett I asked what I was to be paid. I
never said that if I swore to a particular part I should have
21. I did not say it in those words. 1 did not say I am
d—d if I will say that without having two guineas. I
might have said so with regard to the whole affidavit. Mr.
Fisk said what a pretty fellow you are to sell your master
for a pound. The master alluded to was Mr. Hamer. I
never on any occasion passed for the Duke of Richmond.—
(Laughter.) Lord William Paget lived at Mr._ Hamer's

while I was there. I waited on his Lordship. I used
to answer the door generally. I saw Mr. Bebb on
the night before the last trial, and also on the
morning of the trial. I also saw Lord William.
Nothing passed between us except a salute. Nothing more
passed that I recollect. I walked as far as Gray's Inn-road
with them. They got into a cab. I walked on till I came to
a public-house near the Post-office. John, the servant, was
with me. I was left alone. John got on the outside of the
cab into which Lord William went. I got here about ten. I
did not come to give my evidence. I was not even served
with a subpoena. I did not think I was served well. I came
down to show I was not afraid of appearing. I have been
subpoenaed on this occasion. lam indebted to a person named
Slingsby. I told him before the trial I should be able to pay
him soon. I told him I expected some pounds after the trial.
I expect some pounds now. I expect it from , Mr. Bebb. I
think I ought to get some because I should have been down
at Southampton were it not for this, and I am out of em-
ployment. I was not at Paris while Lord William Paget
was there. I was never in Paris in my life. I might have
said that I was under the sofa in the front room. Persons
used to ask me about the matter, but I refused to tell them
the fact always. I think I said so to Mr. Fisk. I told dif-
ferent things to different people. Mr. Fisk asked
whether his spurs were near my nose. I won't swear that I
did not make this remark myself.
Mr. Taylor was called into Court, and the witness said he
never was at his (Mr. Taylor's) house. I often see him hang-
ing about Chancery-lane.
Re-examined by Sir T. WILDE—I led Mr. Webb and Lord
William Paget to believe that I would come here on the
former trial. I asked them for two sovereigns, which were
refused. I did not like this. I was not served with a sub-
poena. It was for these reasons I did not come. Mr. Bartlett
brought some indistinct charge against me, which he said he
would not specify, but it would prevent him from giving me
a character.
John Thomas, the valet, examined by Mr. Sergeant TAL-
FOURD—I was in the service of Lord William Paget for five
or six years as valet. I engaged with him in 1836. I was
away four yearn, and returned in 1840. I am in his service
at present. I lived with him at ,Queen-street, Mayfair.
Lady William was out of town. We did not go to Queen-
street till Lady William came up to town. She came on
Friday. Lord 'William went for her before, but she did not
come. She and Lord William dined on the Friday with the
Duke of Richmond. When she was going out, she gave me
a letter to take to Lord Cardigan, at 36, Portman-
square. The year before, in 1842, Lord William resided
in the same house. The Baroness de Rottenburg resided
with her daughter. Lord William has three sons. The
eldest is about 15. Lord Cardigan used to visit them at
Queen-street. He used to come when Lord William was not
at home. He used to see Lady William. On Saturday, in
consequence of instructions received, I put Winter into the
back drawing-room. It was about ten minutes before Lord
Cardigan came. I then stowed Winter under the sofa, and
looked to see if he could be observed. There are three win-
dows in the front drawing-room, and one in the back. Lord
William Paget was in the drawing-room when Lord Cardigan
called. Ido not know where then they met. I showed Lord
Cardigan into the front drawing-room. Lord William called
his lady up stairs in order that Winter might get under the
sofa. She then came down to the drawing-room with Lord
William. Lord William went out. Lady William remained
in the drawing-room with Lord Cardigan. He remained for
about an hour. Lord Cardigan then went up stairs, and I
went to Winter. He was in a perspiration when I went to
him. Lord and Lady William dined early on Saturday to go
to the- opera. About twelve o'clock on the following
day I got a note from Lord William to take to the Earl of
Cardigan. It was addressed to his house in Portland-square.
Before Lady William went out Lord Cardigan called. Winter
had before placed himself in the same situation in the draw-
ing-room that he occupied before under the sofa in the back
drawing-room. Winter and myself were in the drawing-
room when Lord Cardigan knocked. We were waiting for
Winter to get under the sofa. The time had not arrived that
Lord Cardigan was to come. I answered the door, and saw it
was Lord Cardigan. Lady William had left a message for
Lord Cardigan to say she should be at home at six o'clock.
He asked if he could wait. I said, Yes. He went into the front
drawing-room, which was empty, Winter being hidden.
The folding doors between the rooms were open, the blinds in
the back room were up, and those in the front one down.
Lord Cardigan asked if Lord William was in town. I said
he was gone to Woolwich. He asked if I was sure he was
out of town. I said I believed so. I went to Winter and
spoke to him, and went to the great drawing-room for an
excuse and drew up a blind. Lord Cardigan said—No, no,
they will do as they are. I however dre4' one of them a
little up. I shut the folding doors, and Winter went into the
back drawing-room with me. Winter got under the same sofa,
and I returned down stairs. Lady William came in about
six. I told her Lord Cardigan was up stairs, Mad she went
to him in the drawing-room. I went into the dining-room
with the door open to listen. Lord Cardigan remained about
an hour and a quarter after Lady William had arrived. I
heard some one walk across the room and do something to
the blind. It was a very few minutes after they had joined
each other that I heard the noise. I also heard some one
go into the back drawing-room, and shut down the window
and do something to the blind. At twenty minutes past
seven Lord Cardigan left the house, and Lady Wil-
liam went up to her own room to dress for dinner.
She was to dine that day' with the Duchess of Richmond.
When the coast was clear I went to Winter. He had come
out from under the sofa. He appeared heated, and we went
together to communicate to Lord William Paget what he had
seen. We found Lord William Paget in Berkeley-square.
The communication appeared to occasion great excitement
to his Lordship. He immediately returned home where
Lady William was. He jumped out of the cab at the cor-
ner of the street. He slept in my room that evening. Be-
fore that he had been in the habit of sleeping with
Lady William. Lady William 'did not go out again that
night. Lord William went out that evening with a gentleman.
Lady William's youngest son is 12 years of age. Frederick
is at sea, and the youngest is at home. Lord William was
very fond of the children. Lady William was not so fond of
them. I lived with them five or six years. They did not
keep much company. Lord William, generally speaking,
was kind and attentive to her. He generally stayed at home
of an evening, and seemed attached to his home.
Cross-examined by the SOLICITOR-GENEnat--Por some
months before he had been at the White Bear, in Piccadilly,
and his wife was at Portsmouth. He was there for his

pleasure. He did not go out much. His friends used to visit
him, and sit and smoke of an evening. Mr. Douglas used to
visit him. Not the Mr. Douglas that was with him in Paris
Mr. Fisk used to be frequently there. Ido not know what
he is. Mr. Foster and his brother were there. He went down
to Portsmouth several times. I never saw but one woman
at the White Bear. I did not see her till the morning. He
brought her home unknown. The waiter let her out. He brought
her home to sleep with him. It was during the latter time
that we were there. I have never known him do such a

thing before or since. I told him it would be a great injury
to the hotel if it was known. He said he could not tell how
he came to do it. He supposed he must have been tipsy, but
that Bidford and myself must get her out unnoticed. He
said he was sorry it had occurred. I cannot tell if this
was the day before Lady William arrived. He told
me he had sent to Portsmouth to desire Lady William to
come. He did not tell me why he had dime so. She came to
town on Friday. I went to meet her in Mr. Gompertz's
carriage. He is a friend of Lord William. I have seen
him at the White Bear. Ido not know that I have seen Mr.
Hamer. I have seen Col. Cauty there. I have never
heard Lord William speak of Martin de Bourbella.
The apartments in Queen-street had been taken
a few days before for Lady William. I think I
heard Lord William say he took them for a week.
Lord and Lady William dined at the Duke of Richmond's on
Friday. Lady William gave me a note for Lord Cardigan.
She gave it me in Lord William's presence. A note was also
given me by her on the Sunday morning. Lord William was
there. Lord William knew Lord Cardigan was to come there
at six o'clock. I did not know at the time what Lord Cardi-
gan came for. I know he was at the time to be asked to get a
place for a friend of Lord Cardigan's. Lord William did not
tell me he had sent for Lady William to ask him.
I did not know why he was sent for. I was present when
Winter told Lord William Paget what he had heard on Sa-
turday. He told me that he had heard kissing. Lord and
Lady William Paget went to the Opera that Saturday night
in a box of Lord Cardigan's, and they slept together
that night. I believe Lord William slept in his own room
on Monday, but I cannot be positive. I was present
during a conversation between Major Close and Lord Wil-
liam Paget. I did not hear Lord William say that he did
not believe the story. I will not swear, but to the best of
my recollection he did not say so. I believe Lord and Lady
W. Paget spent the evening together at the Duchess of
Richmond's. I think the Duchess was at the house in
Queen-street on the Monday. I think she came on the
Sunday • evening and took Lady William out in the car-
riage. I will not be certain whether she did so on the
Monday. I do not know if the Miss Closes were there
on the Monday. I do not know that Major Close is dead.
Lady Willian.a remained in Queen-street until Wednesday.
She then went down to Portsmouth. Lord William went
down there two or three days afterwards. Lord William was
in the house when Lord Cardigan was there on the Saturday.
He went out shortly after Lord Cardigan arrived, but I-can-
not tell where he went to. He returned early, dined with
Lady William, and went to the play. He appeared kind to her
that day—just as he usually was. I have known other hus-
bands more attentive. I never knew him behave unmanly to her.
I have seen her crying, and have heard him use abusive lan-
guage. I believe he struck her on the Saturday evening,
and I saw a blackness in the eye. I had never seen that be.
fore. I have known him stay at the Cavendish a month,
while Lady William was away. That was in 1843. He was
for some months, in 1840, at Dubourg's in the Haymarket.
I never saw any woman there. I cannot recollect who
visited him there. I was at Brussels with Lord William
and Lady William, and at Bordeaux with them also.
Lady William was very intimate with the Duchess of Rich-
mond and Lady Conyngham, but not with the rest of Lord
William's family. I never saw any of Lord William's family
at the White Bear, except Lord Uxbridge, who, I believe,
called once. I was with them at Mr. Hamer's. Lord William
took his wife to stay there. Winter, at that time, was living
with Mr. Hamer. Lord and Lady William were both there
when the note to Lord Cardigan was sent. , I have
seen Winter wi h Lord William Paget a great deal; after
the trial was first settled, but not much since. I have seen
him at Lord William's apartments in Oxford-street frequently.
They sat down together. I have known him dine there, but
not often. I suppose he came to communicate with him
about the trial. He Was there down to the time fixed for
the trial some time since. I saw him in Oxford-street yes-
terday; he was there twice. He was in the room
with Lord William, and I think that Mr. Theed was
there. No one was there when he came in the
evening. He did not dine there. I have never seen
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them smoking together. I have seen them walking together.
It is only within this fortnight that he has come there lately.
I cannot say if I have seen them walking arm in arm together,
I never observed them. I knew of clothes being got for Win-
ter. Lord William gave the order for them. On the Sunday
Lord William was in Berkeley-square, sitting in a cab wait-
ing the result. Ido not know what he had done with his son.
I think he said he should see Master William on board
one of the steamers to Woolwich. I think Mr. Fishe met
us. He was with him when Lord William went to the house.
I rather think Mr. Fishe had been there in the morning. He
is very intimate with Lord William. He is in Court. He
did not sup there that evening. Winter supped with me.
Re-examined by Sergeant TALFounp—Lord William was
in Parliament at the time he was at the White Bear,
•and used to the House of Commons. He went to Ports-
mouth frequently. The Baroness de Rottenburg has
always been with Lady William. I have no reason to believe
that he ever slept with Lady William 'after the Sunday. By
his own room I mean the dressing-room. Lord William had
given me directions to prepare a bed elsewhere on Sa-
turday, but I persuaded him to sleep with Lady Wil-
liam, as she might have some suspicion if he did
not, and he would not discover what had taken place.
I do not know how they came to meet at the Duchess of
Richmond's, or what was the object of, their meeting. I was
not there. I cannot tell what the 4isputes to which I have
alluded were occasioned by. 'Be went out' directly after he
had called up Lady William on the Saturday. Winter has
been asked to take a piece of 'steak when Lord William was
eating himself. Winter has never been asked to dinner.
returned While Lady William was at home he was always at home
Continenti n the evening.
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attendance
here when the cause was to have come on in December.
Winter met Lord William and myself at Mr. Webb's, in
Argyle-street, at eight o'clock in the morning. We set out
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