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London, England, 1845-02-06 00:00:00

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a npropriat,d .0 the M,-n,bet-s of thi, House. tbe
11.;u,e, or a Conitliltt,e of tnt,. whole I lou,e, sittig.
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That the above resolutions be standing order 4:
Dr. BOW RI \'G secondt d the amendment.
Nlr. B. WI LLIAMS could see no reason why
strainers should not be allowed to enter that House.
He fully admitted :he necessity for order and quietude,
but at the same time he thought it was unjust not to
allow strangers to he present at debates.
Lord J RUSSELL interrupted the Hon. Member,
and pointed out to him that the amendment did
not
exclude strangers.
Air.d WILLIAMS, after reading the amendment,
continued.—The fact was, he had made a slight
that d- )hadlaugh. e had been so much engsge'
that day that he had no opportunity until then
of reading the motion paper.—(Laughter.) Ile
would, therefore, not trouble the House further.
Sir R. H. INGLIS wished to put a question ti)
the Speaker, bearing upon the exclusion of strangers'
Hitherto it had only been necessary for an 111.
Member to obserse that stran4ers were preien.;
and the Speaker immediately requested theit
withdrawal without the question being Pn;
as in other instances, to the vote of the fl"'.t
Now he wished to be informed whether, looking:9
the construction of one of the sessional orders,
not necessary that the question should be decide.d ka
a majority, and not absolutely by an n3ivi
Member. Ought not a debate and a division to to
place on the question?
The SPEAKER said that he had previouslY I'4;
mated to the Right Hon. Baronet that he could of
no objection to an amendment to meet the viewses.
the Right Honourable Baronet. But the (ludo
tion, in fact, had Lothing whatever ti,o of
wi.h the standing orders on the 13°'5 not
the House. The exclusion of stranger 3 dui
depend upon the sessional orders. It Ivo a
fora;
right for any Member to call the attention e and
Speaker to the fact that strangers were present'
to request that they might be ordered to Ivciaai
draw.l It was an inherent right of each individual
A
ember, and rested upon the same prinoiPle, that
gave any Hon. Member the privilege of Inevinbaoae
the House be counted, which was immediateli gale
upon such motion being made ; and upon the (-ei to
principle, the instant any Hon. Member obsery in.
the Speaker that strangers were present it , It
cumbent upon him to order them to withdraw' to
was open to the Right Hon. Baronet to reeve
amendment to put an end to the latter priyilege•vi at
Mr. HUME wished to ask whether altY„l3e,pace
rangement had taken place by which he d beee
allotted for the accommodation of strangers had
altered, as the space already allotted for their
modation was extremely small.order
The SPEAKER said he had not given
on the subject. There was great difficulty
Aillinl'on
desirable of
arrangements regarding the eure-551
M lie, be
str
Mr. HUME said that, on behalf of the Pittoisl;
would impress upon the House the necessity ones.
arrangements more convenient than the Preseridebstes
Those persons who came there to hear the if Any
were much exposed to cold, and bad scarce

. twoali
room
The SPEAKER said that every arrangeruebi;e cast
be made for the accommodation of the Pa....0f th
sistent with the accommodation of Mecab'-
House. reed to.
The question was then put and ag
PRIVATE COMMITTEES• ntioil et
Mr. WALLACE begged to call the
~...atiotee-gios to
the House, especially of those 'Members "'„ 0000
Committees of Selection, to the vvaste 01, nriyete
money which the present arrangements °litt :essioseot
Committees involved. He mentiod last
eePelitie
that, in the instance of one railway gi11,,; Nob *-1
had reached the enormous amount of 3 withatts
streumseteedffetehteuapiraersreanntgesemsesinotnbewinoguld not rtl-see subjec .
He was far from impeaching thmeacdoe:d;itieofgrSeet:e:i
bpearinssonanthdosleabCnoumr Committee's who sntgoweu tii-.
ke.ePeot If
in a reasonable conditionci;:cabhvuo7bretihei had.,„uellitcles,iretue.
their power to do that which they 5° much
000' il.
Last session he called the attention of,' 0;1/0°01.
two private Bills ; the first was the Ain Ges._, 00
way Bill, the second was the reisie'reteittrooe.
Although those Bills came before the ":.'e the ,fed,
March 25th, on July 25th they were Yet is the
Now this was a fact which could not 1)° -air vi"-.aes•
and he would leave it to the House to say
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it was not its duty to alter such a state baantioet
lie would contend that the House /Pita°
powerantonneynaanbelee. Private Committees omuumt itrtiegehstto est sole /tee
such 000001 so
should have it in their power to seed foroettee;s9les,
counsel, thus entailing enormous :IA be it ell
c‘fvbatvoluilelhrtnolrii:stplegeaeeavdei
lrettpi
nthdhitreeeehitrsvnhas
attcoatoltfeiiornctfotei
chtmeowotirismrfeuepsephdleanrdantadeieicenbrxttsieipin,cpi
eegeirgi
fiipsrvgeoeccaasawot.ovteueieryorn
31,1
salieri:iieoiftirWtscev
vf to
tie fri t ee 6ct If
fees, which eras not Pe, ralbie el:le
atibtretr sef:::::51;11o'Ffj:e ensit'tititri ni
e4hecie a:"
taking
House in Committees on public, the Or seer",
which tended materially to incrernreasstitynes
and afford facilities for delay onu r This . iloose,
which could not otherwise scour.o o'l sorDe
practice that had brought discredit ureasingttiorobef
and which discredit would go on Wel. 00e. 'elf pri'
step were not taken to stop it. Thieembers ebetbef,
concluded by calling upon such to say wile"
vate Committees as were then present' whole °ttee, t°
they agreed with him in part or in tine cootie eleo,
he had said, and, by moving for a Seleeyest sole f per
ascertain whether they could not sogb rode °
sure by which to prevent this dillatorY be
..., to of
ceeding with private Bills. tiesti ticoo
Mr. EWART wished to put aci coseta e
Majesty's Government relative to th.e,.te oille•rote
Committees of that House upon P
wished to see the Members of Comlorlivieeit:i etrlePtfees:
Bills free from all personal witted
to. , re'
tions which had to be sub tit
wit, for
This principle had been recog'ol_leip.tbwo tilet
spect to certain railway Bills; na,.""reottor!,, Oil
competing lines. He had a notice o_tv oreoll'eed,,
paper upon this question for to-morroid he e)bed to
the principle to which he alluded sh°,°_.t iis vos.,id re'
to all Committees on private Bills ; PLl__,,ent vvoi,ebietft
know whether her Majesty's Goverr_opons,',..elf.
lieve an individual Member from that
.'.,00 hirP:eolte,
which he, however, was ready notpreparetakeold t°,oo'
Sir R. PEEL said he was
anywni e
h Nv n announcementula relieveo on teh eupnanr.t
Goefo.ftt‘ibeesvelootioi a f_rdv,l7,coedo:t
duty which he had undertaken. -,lll,eterest of
difficult to define what was the direot_ood beoterel
stituents in Railway Bills, and it wi.,,direet 1., let
impossible to determine what was "id vell"iid tio
He hoped the Hon. Gentleman Iv° reel) u Doi'
--, Robert tie° tle'
his motion came on, as he (sir , e goes aee 0
wish to give an opinion upon ti
flthe li°l3.it *ft/ti,el
With respect to the observations o
Say dot_ cone. _
man (Mr. Wallace), he could only _oral i'p9.'
he excessively difficult effectually
their
carryto
t:eitc
with respect to the length °f fooolt t° 9,
(Laughter.) It would be also di
_..,,,,,ti00 coo
_A
the Hon Gentleman's other 571', the_ceelt,
(Sir Robert Peel) believed that, to
wse e:tri•ol to
of last session, the sum Of 75:„.7 whiCh 1, wes.e,
in the prosecntion of a railway 011_,edersto°ery Fr
mately thrown out. This Bill, '
lit t
be again brought forward, and he Os e
oug
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bability of its succeeding. ht tbe"f pets
Lord 110 WICK said, he thoug_tion 0. 0081 0,
he longer time given for the presene"!uer priir „ice j
for railway Bills than for those for
real
ir;eotiv7co,•!:
Unless they adopted that course,
_q 00 i
and great injustice would ensue,. rains alVeorkv.t
the adoption of the system of 5ir.J",,,,,, awaretP tPf,
Bills to a preliminary examinationss .e
o,eye)
Trade.—(Hear, hear.) The Hoiti.w
..hOOO o'o, rs..
great decisions on projected ra.el_3!ions to el
been arrived at ; while the decisions 'eon!: t
were yet unknown. Even wituend the 011 lee,
which were known, the Beate ~.,11, wer
.100
_,
vhioll t d. te
ainndigtnhnerapneerseonnfs
tiititetegrerustuenddisnutnhoese_ 1;0'1
erelurTtibeiefljee
dations or the Board of Trade_nuruon those son
tjtor.
fore, it would be unjust to call P A a theis
tAhveseyrretiewsnitti- fieb°cltoe
mdeecaisduereast
ino intereste ain tbe
otereate t sue if'
newehicill'hefthheery
If they now fixed the time p _t 00c _„,os ,e 1
preliminary steps, and to incurt_e Tiouse,gaboittl7l
measures would be forced eithera
n_teat rape te,.d
bringing their Bills before
elniity of
itee.r
of
would he deprived of the eePr7. Col! eithe be
such Bills to the fair decision
artiesti to t: rc),Pf s of
was not just to call on these p,„_a ? hs
reporto3
these decisions at present-1,0(0r
that file geed not
believed that if they shoutd
tided_ot uponw eidti
the Board of Trade weref interested
ss cope
_ot,
adequate reasons the artier
rring a useleeira' jl3,
commit the mistake of incu . „iii, fore eof tiore
that s°t° •• be lit
tore of money in bringing' ti_nie„l„reijri t rico •Q
d par- rt,
on the other hand, it might o' re
i,faetorYt an boa '' f tiie
decisions would not prove saoto _
,_ r 6000;040n o_
,/
they determined to abanq
the e
Board ree the 9
Railway Department ', . his argeitnentoooso3 iy,
d the t. ol 1
—(Hear, hear.) He ure'eu
....erit an- cd ~,,o vor,
sumotion that the Governo.
he 100--d t be ,do
When , ,efir ~ jr „
final.—(Hear, hear.) of 101, Ja of fzill.!
not intend that the decisions ofthi tittlr 0 the rtedoe
of the Select Coinfoitt('the Boar ~ oy J'oo.
, that 1 Batts tett ,j
merits ° nreSen 0 0
it distinctly laid
was not to decide on i et,
ate tbe -retring tlie e e
hut was merely to inves lgilou.et st 6 icl"e tiqi
made, and to report to the
dowt.
il
a gu got§ .
mation an of - se`i
opinions for the infor,he parsecisiee. f iii,,
Parliament, and for t
fto its de itto 0 deo te
the Cntlicaoloaler' e left
had been the decision 0 t 0,a5 rec
nisi'
th 0
Parliament in coining
1.11
iirral,ge°l Gentle° did t 4
year. When the ._ goe. be fete?
the House by the Riget. ,
of Trade,
f. ipe
President of the 13"ard urnoe Fat
propose it for the
_IA' , rbut
for
the influence of the Ow"-