The Sun.
London, England, 1844-02-27 00:00:00

JAMES V. COTIEN.

This case respects the validity of certain testamentary
papers of the late Mr. L. Cohen, who died on the sth of
March, 1842, leaving property of the value of about 7,0001.
Among the relatives he left behind him were two nieces, one
of whom is the wife of the Bishop of Jerusalem. By the
papers before the Court, the distribution of the property was
varied. The deceased destroyed, his last will, and the ques-
tion was, if this revived a will dated in 1832, and two codi-
cils, made in 1833 and in 1836, which had for a long time
been out of his possession. The case does not possess the
least public interest.
The Court, after hearing civilians on both sides, held that
there was no proof of the intention of the deceased to revive
the will of 1832, or the codicils of 1833 and 1836, and there-
fore an intestacy must be pronounced for.

. .
POLICE INTELLIGENCE.
(YESTERDAY.) •
GUIL DHALL.

Yesterday Mrs Earnshaw, of Park-street, Camden-town,
and Miss Emma Wells, who resided with her as companion,
were re-examined, charged with purloining various articles
from jewellers' shops..
Mr. Clarkson, who attended for the prisoners, observed
that the offieerS were, at the laSt hearing, especially directed
to Ascertain ,if there were grounds for believing that either
of the eight.'s/. notes fon.nd in the Possession of the prisoners
could be presumed to be the produce of 'ether goods stolen
and sold or pawned by the prisoners. He wished to know
if they had made those inquiries. He knew the fact was
that Mrs. Earnshaw had received them in payment of her
allowance under her marriage settlement, and he trusted the
magistrate would restore them to the lady. The officers had
brought away some savings' bank books, containing deposit's
to the amourt of 80/. As he could not as clearly show that
the moneys field in were not the produee of stolen goods, he
was afraia he could not then make the same claim for their
restoration.

Mr. Aldertnan IlkittEs asked the officer if he had made
inquiry about the notes ?—Wardle, the policeman, replied he
had, and that he could not trace that a 5!. note had been paid
to the prisoners in any case, lie had traced Only one pawn-
ing, that of a locket, stolen from Mr. Lamb, a jeweller in-
Cheapsido, and pawned at Mr. Fleming's, in liarringdon-
st rect.

Mr. Alderman IluGnEs examined the- notes, and finding
they were new, and seven of them of consecutive numbers, he
said he belie:NW Mr. Clarkson's Stateinent, and should order
30/. to be given up. Lest anything should turn upon the
notes, he must direct the officer to keep' two of the notes, and
take the numbers of those he gate up.' -
'to complete the' case entered into at the first hearing of
the stealing of a fruit knife from the shop-of Mrs.-Rose, Of
Farringdon-street, •

George Chambers, a station-house clerk, was examined,
and proved That he'found the knife in an unsewed portion 01
Miss WeHS'S boa. He also found there a gold watch key,
which had not been owned. •

•
Mr. Alderinan-Cii.illis.'isked if a,' secret poeketfizid been
purpbsely formed in 'the. boa. The officer said no: It was.
merely unripped: There was no seiving.to'forin a pocket.
Mr. Shepherd, a watchmaker in the Strand, identified a
gold watch of the value of 301. 'The prisoners came into
his'shop three weeks-ago, and Wells-wished tcrsee -a tray of
s'atches in the window: He placed five tiays'before them
they objected to the price, and wished to see some at Six
guineas. Their appearance obtained his confidence so much
that he did not remove the trays 'before he turned away to
reach the cheaper watches, and this was taken advantage of
to steal the watch, which he did not miss till the officer in-
quired
whether he had been robbed:. -
Mr. Alderman HUGHES asked if it was possible that he
could have sold the .watch-? - - •

: Mr. Shepherd said it was not. The number' of every
watch was entered in a stock-bOok, and the sale was alSo
entered.

Mr. Alderman Mon Es asked- the officer where lie found
the watch ?

Thomas Hollingswcirth, a'City'policeman, Stated that while
he was convoying the prisoners to the Cornpter, Wells handed
the watch to -Mr. Hughes, her landlord, of Paik-streef; for
rare, and witness immediately took posiession of it.
A third charge was preferred `by Mr..Hanniford, of Re-
gent-street, a dressing.;case maker. Re had a recollection of
seeing the elder prisonerdbont five years ago, but neither
he nor his partner had any recollection of seeing the prison 7
ers in his shop recently. The two gold
,pencil-cases pro-
duced,' value 8/. and 31., were his property. They were two
out of three which were purchased from the maker on. the.
31st of January the larger one was ten days 'after ;
the smallOr one had not been misled..

The officer said these were found, each, in a separate case,
at the prisoners' lodging. .
Mr: Alderman HUGHES. said it would be more satisfactory
if his partner Would attend the next examination, that he.
Might be certain that neither could identifv the prisoners.
A fourth charge, was prefeired by Mr. Clapham,la jeweller
in the Strand. He said the prisoners had been
.three times
to his shop within two months, and each time- looked at his
rings. They did not purchase anything. He did not miss
anything, but he suspected them so much that at their
second and third visits he used such precautions that ren-
dered stealing undetected impossible, and he sett his boy
to watch them. They went into the jeWellera at-the corner
of Villiers-street. identified three finger-rings set with
stones. -

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Mr. Alderman CHALLIS asked how he knew they were not
sold 2—Mr. Clapham said they were very- old stock, and he
could not have sold them withoutremarking the fact.
A fifth charge was preferred by Mr. West, of Ludgate-
street, jeweller. He did not remember the prisoners, but he
identified a gold brooch, value 2/. 10s., which hid been stolen
from his stock, and was found at the prisoners' lodging. He
missed it on the Ist of February.
A sixth charge was preferred by Messrs. Hitchcock and
Rogers, St.'Paul's Church-yard, of stealing a piece of ribbon,
value 55., on the afternoon the prisoners were apprehended.
They first looked at some boxes of dark ribbon, and then
wished to see some light ribbons; and while the assistant
WAS fetching the , box, they took the opportunity to help
themselves. They bought a small quantity.
A seventh charge was preferred by Mr. Lamb, ajeweller,
in Cheapside. He identified a gold locket, but had no recol-
lection of seeing the prisoners at his shop.
Mr. Alderman HulattEs said, a$ several articles were yet
unclaimed, it was desirable that the-prisoners should be
further remanded. • • . ,

Mr. Clarkson said he could not oppose this. There ought
to be the fullest inquiry, and he was willing that the pri-
soners should at once stand remanded for a fortnight.
Mr. Alderman HUGHES replied that this was a longer term
of remand than he should have proposed, but if it would be
more convenient than auintermediate examination, he would,
with their own consent, remand them for a fortnight.
The prisoners were removed.

CLERKENTVELL.
John Blay and Thomas Wig/ey:were charged with assault-
ing police-constable Doyle 197, and Payne 216 G.
About twelve on Saturday night last the Prisoners, •bei
ng
under the influence of liquor, were creating a disturbance in
Turnmill-street, Clerkenwell, and the extraordinary violence
of their conduct attracted an immense crowd about them.
Doyle interfered, and begged of them to go away quietly,
but instead of doing so the prisoners attacked him in a savage
manner, and seeing that assistance was about coming to his
aid ran into a house, in an upper room of which one of them
hid himself in a bed, and the other under it. They were
arrested by Doyle and Payne.' When they got into the
street the prisoners again attacked them, and Doyle still
felt great pain from the injuries received.
GREEXWOOD sentenced the prisoner?, who did not ex-
press the least contrition for their brutality, to ten days' im-
prisonment each.
On their way to the station-house several bad characters
threw stones at the police, some of which, striking the
officers, hurt them severely. A dissolute young man, named
Lowman, was identified by police-constable 22 G, as one of
the assailants. He was sent to prison for seven days.
WORSHIP-STREET.
STABBLNG.--211artin Kelly, a young
Irishman, was charged
before Mr. Broughton, with having severely wounded a man
named Henry Coventry, by stabbing him with a chisel,'
Whereby his lifii was endangered.
It appeared that as the complainant was passing through
Whitecross-street, on his way home, about one o'clock on
Sunday morning, the_ prisoner suddenly ran towards him
from the opposite side of the road, and accused him of having
run up a reckoning at a certain public-house, which he ha

left unpaid. The complainant told him that he was mis-
taken in the man, as he had never visited the house alluded
to, but the prisoner persisted in the charge, and began
shaking him in a violent manner, at the same time using the
most offensive vituperations. After a short struggle, the
complainant succeeded in getting away, but the prisoner
rushed at him, and pulled out a chisel from under the sleeve
of his coat, with which he stabbed him in several places.
The poor fellow, who was covered with blood, was imme-
diately conveyed to St. Bartholomew's Hospital, where he
now hes in a dangerous state. On receiving inforniation of
the outrage, several policemen proceeded in search of the pri-
soner, whom they at length traced to notorious locality,
called George's-yard, and, after a desperate resistance, he was
overpowered, and conveyed to the station-house.
Police-constable
.Turpm stated that he ha& seen the com-
plainant that morning, whose face was shockingly mangled,
and he had` also received a severe wound, at least six inches
in length, in the fleshy part of the left arm. He produced a
certificate from the surgeon at the hospital, describing the
nature &the injuries. .
lu his defence, the prisoner said that while he was strug-
gling with the complainant, the chisel was given to him by
a looker-on, who told him to use it, and having been drinking
freely, he unfortunately acted on the suggestion.
The prisoner was then remanded for a week. • •

HAMMERSMITH.
THE LATE SERIOUS CHARGE AGAINST A RESPECTABLE
TRADEsstAx.—Mr. Samuel Nash, a master-baker, residing at
Notting-hill, who was charged on the 14th instant with a
eriminal assault upon a young woman named Mary Horn,
eighteen years of age, and who has been several times re-
manded, appeared before Mr. S.' PaynterTthe sitting magis-
trate, in discharge of his bail, in the eum of 1,200 L, for the
purpose of undergoing ..a final examinations
The facts have already appeared in the daily papers, and
it has also been stated that since the night ,previous to the
second examination the complainant has absented herself
from her father's dwelling, and has not since been heard of.
Mr. Duncombe, solicitor of Gray's. Inn, , again, attended to
defend Mr.. Nash. _ _

Mr. PAYNTER inquired if anything had yet been heard of
Mary Horn, who had brought the charge ag.amst the prisoner.
Inspector Morgan said he had written immediately after
the second examination to Mr. Solomon, the chief constable
of Brighton, whither the complainant was supposed to have
gone, having lived there for some years, but he had received.
'an answer that she had not been there. _

Mr. PAYNTEft (seeing Mary Horn's father in attendance),
inquired if he had heard anything of his daughter,
The father replied, that he had not. He had himself been
to Brighton to see after her, but could learn nothing respect-
ing her.
In9ector Morgan observed, that if the father had come to
him immediately on discovering that his daughter- was gone,
he doubted not he should have soon been able to have found
her, and prevented him the trouble of going to Brighton.
Mr. PAYNTFOR remarked, it was doubtful to him if the
father of the complainant went to Brighton at all to look
after her. There were many suspicious circumstances in the
case on all sides. He should not, at present, enter further
into the case, but content himself with binding Mr. Nash
over to appear at the next sessions of the Central Criminal
Court, to answer any charge which may be -preferred against
him.

Mr. Nash then entered into his own recognizance of 4004
and two sureties in 2001. each to appear.

FURTHER PARTICULARS OF THE
LOSS OF THE ELBERFELDT.

The following partionlars of the lOss of the Elberfeldt, iron-
steamer, are derived from Captain Stranach of the General
Steam Navigation Company, and Mr. Bush, civil engineer. a•
passenger in the ill-fated vessel. Mr. Bush has been engaged
for some time past in the construction of an , improved
,mariners' compass, which had been tested at Woolwich, and
found to vary less by six degrees than those of the ordinary
kind. In order to test its capabilities still further,' Mr. Bush'
availed himself of an offer by Captain Stranach, of the General
Steam Navigation Company's steamer the Giraffe, to accom-
pany him to Rotterdam, for the purpose of bringing over the
Elberfeldt, a Dutch iron-steamer, and in whick vessel An ex-
cellent opportunity would be afforded to ascertain the merits
of his invention. The Elberfeldt, under the command, of
Captain Stranach, sailed from Bridle on the 22d instant, at
50 minutes past six A.M., under light and variable winds.
Minute attention was paid to all, the compasses on board,
there being three belonging tcolr, Bush and two of
the common description, when it Was observed that
the superiority of those of Mr. Bush - Was maintained
during the whole time.' afforded for observation. Mr. Bush
remarked to Captain Stranach that :the ship's"working
ap-
peared to be different from when they lett the. Bridle, and
that there was a strange vibration of the vessel. Scarcely
had these remarks been made when the suspicions of Mr.
Bush were but• too truly confirmed. He beggedtf Captain
Stranach to order the boats to be in readiness, for he was
convinced that the vessel, being constructed of iron, would
afford but few minutes to 'save themselves. Whilst this.,
conversation was taking place, an indication of a plain nature
gave warning that their, fears were well grounded, for, about
ten minutes to three she broke completely in half in the,
middle of the vessel. Mr. Bush rushed up stairs, exclaim-
ing "It is now all over;' stop the:engines and out boat,"
and himself and two others fell headlong, into the boat at
the moment she wits launched; the wind at this time
was bowing a brisk gale.. This was a most dreadful
moment to all; the wrei,k .presented a most awtnl yet
grand spectacle; the boiler bursting by the collapse, threw.
up :immense volumes of steam_ and fonntains of water, and
the vessel went down with a loud explosion.. After her
going doWn, Mr. Biish looked around for the unfortnnate.
deity, and one of the first he saw was Captain Stranach
str ggling in the waterisupported by a portion of the wreck..
The ceptain and several, others were with much difficulty
taken into the boat. Three persons_ were inifOrtunately lost,
two stokers, named Wilson, father and son, and the cook,
named Andrews. The number saved were 13, including Mr.
Bush and Captain Stranach, Who,: after exiaeriencing the
greatest hardships for four hours in an Open boat, were
picked up, by. the Charlotte, Captain Moyes, from Amster-
dam, whose attention was 'attracted by a handkerchief
hoisted as a signal of distress. On getting them on board,
Captain Moyes humanely supplied them with dry clothes,
coffee, soup, 81c. Captain Stranach and Mr. Bush -described
the whole occcurrence as a dream ; for, from her breaking to
her going down, not more than five miuutea elapsed, and what
but a short time before was considered a beautiful model of
naval architecture, was sunk irrecoverably in the ocean. The
calamity which overtook this vessel illustrates the error:of
constructing vessels of a great length, with the enormous
weight of engines, coal, and water amidships; and it is to
be hoped that the Government will examine into the expe-
diency of constructing iron. steamers for sea-going purposes.
The loss of the. President has . been attributed. ,-to, her.
length; but no one survived to describe her loss, therefore,
the. present event should be particularly breught,under the
notice of the Shipwreck Committee, in order that. by the
examination of the survivors they may determine upon the
accuracy of such an opinicM, and introduce a measure to pre-.
Vent in future the construction of vessels of the inordinate
length to
:which many have been built.; -

LLOYD'S SHIPPING..

EAST INDIA SHIPPING.

Arrivals—Portly, Reed, froni!China; in the Downs, sailed.
Oct. 19, Cape of Good Hope Dec. 24; Cambrian, bring; from-
Bengal, in the Downs, sailed Sept. 22,, St, Helena Dec. _27 ;
London,- Edwards, from :Singapore . in the Downs,. sailed,
Sept. 30, St. Helena Dec. 25 ; Lady Margaret, Thompson; -
from Mauritius, in thaDowns, -sailed Nov. 22 ; William Gales,
Venies, from( Ceylon in the- Downs; sailed from' Colombo
Oct. 9 ; Helen Mary,'Palmer, from Mauritius, in the Downs;
sailed Nov. l 8.; St. Helena Dec. 29 ; Exporter, from New
South-Wales, off Dover, -sailed from Sydney .Oct. 10 ;' Tan-
jore, Stuart, from Bengal, off Dover, sailed Oct. 14, St. Helena
Jan. 6 ; Cambria, Shaddock, from Bengal, id the Downs,
sailed Oct. 17. • • " • •
Arrivals at Sydney, -Nair .South Wales—Sir A. Campbell,
Sept.-- 13, froth Calcutta and - Mauritius ; Lady Leigh, .23d,
from New Zealand; St. Helena, 30th,. from Hobart Town ; -
Alligator, Oct. 1, from Bay of Islands; Lord Keane, 2d; from
London and Port Philip ; -Amelia, from Liverpool and Ho-
bart Town ; Velocity, from Twofold Bay ; Cdenroy, 3sl; - from
Liverpool and Port Philip ; Cheerful; froM Batavia and Swan
River; Eleanor, sth, from New Zealand; William,• from '
banneeston.

Departures from Sydney—Clarkstone, Sept. 13, to South
Seas; Rajah, 15th, to Port Philip and London ; Louisa and
Sir John Byng, 16th, to Hobart Town ; Eleanor, 20th, to
Mauritius ; Emancipation, to Tahiti ; Parkfield,' 21st, to
King George's Sound and Ceylon ; Woodlark; 23d to South
Seas ; Victoria, to Port Nicholson ; Dorset, Oct. 1, to Ade-
laide ; Sir John Campbell and Dawsons, to Launceston ;
Australian Packet, 9th, to London.
Arrivals at Hobart Town—Asiatic, Sept. 23 ; Winchester,
28th, from London.

Arrival .at. Launceston—Marmion,.-Jellard; Oct. 1, from
London:

Arrivals at Port Philip—Reward, Sept. 8, from London ;
Catneona, from'Leith ;Adelaide, Rajah, 25, Tobago, 29, from
Sydney.
Arrival at Adelaide-Arab, August 17thfrom-Liveipool;
Arrivals in Table Bay, Cape of GOTid Ifope—Symmetry,
Dec. 20, from-Leith, and sailed 23d to Adelaide ;' Frederick
Huth, 22d ; John Thompson from China ; Earl Grey,
23d, from Bengal and Maurftitut ; Sir Robert Peel,- from
Manilla.
Departure from Table Bay—Dec. 23, Ellen; Wilson, for
Launceston ; Elder, Adelaide, South. America.

VESSELS SPOKEN WlTlL—Apropos, from Liverpool, 23d
ult., lat. 33, long. 32 ; Minerva, of Nantes, out 32 days, lat. 21,
long. 32 ; Christian, of Glasgow, lat.- 28, long. 30, by the
Hope, Goss, arrived in the Downs. Persian, Shields to Cal-
cutta, out 75 days, Dec. 7, off the Cape of Good Hope; Jean
Marie, from Havre, lat. 22 N., long. 34, by the Cambrian,
Drury, arrived in the Downs. Scilly Lass, Liverpool, to Ja-
maica, 6th inst., let. 35, long. 26, by the Miranda, arrived at
Bristol. Flora Kerr, from Calcutta, off the Cape of Good
Hope, Dec. 16 ; Maria, from Sunderland, lat. 18, long.
47 E., by the John, George, arrived in the river. Parker, Li-
verpool to Demerara, 30th ult., lat. 22 N., long. 33W. ; Peter
Cornelius Hoofe, from Amsterdam, 4th ult. ; Brennen vessel
(122) for La Guayra, Ist inst., by the. Helen Mary, arrived
in the Downs. Meg of Meldon, Liverpool to Calcutta, with
loss' of jib-boom, &c., 20th inst., lat. 50 N., long. 8 W., by
the Brooke, arrived at Liverpool. Liberty, Liverpool to 'New
York, Ist inst., lat. 51, long. 11, by the Lady Worsley, arrived
at Liverpool. Nieuland, Bademaker, Batavia to Amsterdam,
Dee. 19, lat. 34 S., long. 25 E. ; Elizabeth Maria,Wieburg,Am-
sterdam to Surinam, 31st ult.. lat. 25 N., long. 34 W., by the
Plaucius, Rotgares, arrived at Amsterdam. Findon,
Cadiz to Buenos Ayres, Dec. 23, lat. 25 S., long. 35 ;
Measenger, London, to New Orleans, 29th ult., lat. 20, lon.
37 W., by the Antilla, arrived at Liverpool. General
Palmer transport, London to the Westward, 26th, ult., lat.
19 N., lon. 38 W., by the Don Quixote,
.arrived at Cowes.
Semarang, English ship, lat. 29 S., lon. 12 E., ,by the Wil-
liam Gales, arrived in the Downs. Jonas from Nantes, with
2,200 brls., July 11, lat. 57 N., lon. 153 W. ; Ocean from
Nantes, standing for New Zealand, Sept. 12, with 600 brie..
by the France, arrived at Havre. George, Demerara to
Hamburgh, 7th lust , lat. 39, lon. 44, by the Mysene, arrived
at Liverpool.

GUANO.—FIRST ARRIVAL FROM AntwA.—We
have this morning seen a private letter from. Liverpool, dated
February 20, in which is the following important information,
for all interested in agriculture :—" The first vessel from
Africiwith guano arrived here yesterday afternoon, the Leven-
side, with 400 tons, full cargo. She reports a great number of
vessels, some loaded, some partially so, riding off the island,
and from the information which I have been able to receive,
we shall shortly have a very large quantity from that quarter.
The Levenside's cargo is on Glasgow account, and the captain
set off for Glasgow a few hours after arrival it this port."
We find from the Clyde Shipping List, that the Levenside.
sailed from the Clyde on the 20th of September, having
cleared out for Valparaiso, and comes to Liverpool froth the
island of Angie Pequena, coast of Africa. We mention this,
as it will be recollected that the vessels engaged in this spe-
culation were said to have sailed with sealed instructions,
which
were not to be opened till they reached a certain lati-
tude.—Ayr Advertiser.
A large
species of the wild
.swan was shot last
It was quite alone. Weighed 201b5., was eight feet from
tito tip of the
th iv
five feet four inches from th. tip
weekl i n re werin Ure,gt andin Wensleydale.
near Middlenam,
of toes to beak.—Newcastle Herald.

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.
ROUSE OF LORDS, Feb. 26.
The Loan CHANCELLOR took his seat on the Wool-
sack at Five o'Clock.
REPEAL OF THE UNION.—THE CATHOLIC
PRIESTHOOD.
The Marquis of NORMANBY said that le wished
to say a few words in reference to a statement which
had, been made by the. Noble Marquis opposite (the
Marquis of Westmeath) in the course of the late de-
bate on the state of Ireland.; namely that a- poor
priest, who had refused to assist in collecting the re-
peal rent, had been suspended in consequence for a
month by his bishop. He (the Marquis of Nor-
manhy) felt it right both to the Noble Ilarquis,oppo-
site and to the Might Rev. Gentleman to whom the
statements referred, to mention that,he had receiveda
positive contradiction from the Right Rev. Dr. Cant-
well, the Roman Catholic Bishop of the diocese where
the occurrence was said to have taken place, stating
most distinctly that no such thing ever occurred, and
that he believed that no Roman Catholic bishop would
be guilty of such an act.
The Marquis of WESTMEATH said that he was
obliged to the Noble Marquis for giving him. the ear-
liest intimation of the contradiction he had received
to the statement which he (the Marquis of West-
meath). had- inade. All he could say at the- pre-
sent moment was, that the fact was stated, and
was pretty notorious in the country. Of course
he was bound' to inquire, further into • the
matter before he could reiterate the charge. There
might have been some error as to' the time when: the'
Roman Catholic -priest to whom he had alluded and
who was now dead had been-suspended ; but he re-
peated he. ould make further inquiry into the matter.
The Marquis of NORMANBY only wished to
state the fact, that he had received a contradiction of
the Noble Marquis's statement, explicitly declaring
that no priest had ever been suspended for the alleged
cause,

The Marquis of WESTMEATH reiterated his
intention of making further inquiries, into the
matter, and then said, that, as he was upon his legs,
he would put a question-to -his- Noble and Learned
Friend on the Woolsack.
The Duke of WELLINGTON hoped that their
Lordships .would adhere_to the practice of not asking
questions without giving notice.
The. Marquis of WESTMEATH said he did not
wish his Noble and Learned Friend on the Woolsack
to give an answer, if his. doing so were inconvenient.
The LORD CHANCELLOR said that one of the
advantages of giving notice was, that it gave an op-
portunity to the party to whom it was put, to consider
conjointly with the person who gave the notice, as to
whether it was proper to put the question or not.
Lord BROUGHAM said another advantage was
that it enabled him to give an answer.
The Marquis of LA.NSDOWNE made a few
observations which were_ naudible 'in -the gallery. -
The Duke of WELLINGTON said, that he
made a mistake in calling it an order of the House ;
but it was a practice of their Lordships ,which it 'was
very desirable not to infringe upon, not. to ask- a
question without giving notice.
The conversation then dropped.
The LORD CHANCELLOR presented a petition
from the masters and scholars of the University of
Cambridge, •against the union of the sees of St.
Asaph and Bangor.
FRENCH AND ENGLISH COLLISION IN
THE SOUTH SEAS.
Lord' BROUGHAM wished to ask his Noble
Friend opposite (Lord Aberdeen) a question in re-
lation to a rumour which had caused a great deal of
alarm' in this country. He was sure his Noble
Friend would have no difficulty in answering his
question, as the rumour to which it referred was one
that could scarcely have any foundation. 'His question
was, whether his Noble Friend had received any in-
formation on the subject of an encounter alleged to
have taken place between French and English, ships
of war in the South Seas ?
The Earl of ABERDEEN said that the Noble
Lord's question was an instance of the-inconvenience
which had been so strongly reprehended in the con-.
versation which had just taken place amongst their
Lordships, and in which his Noble and Learned
Friend had taken part.—(A laugh.) However, he
could say that he had received no information on the
subject, and he thought it very improbable that there
was any foundation for the rumour.—(Hear.)
EXPULSION. OF POLES 'FROM POSEN.
Lord BROUGHAM rose ,to put another question
to his Noble Friend.—(Laughter.) It was well
known to his Noble Friend, and to all their. Lord-
ships, that his Majesty, the present King of Prussia,
ruled over his dominions with great kindness and
justices=and that his kindness was not confined to
his Saxon
-and Prussian subjects, but was extended to
his Polish subjects in the Grand Duchy of Posen, which
was annexed' to the kingdom of Prussia in the' year
1774. But it was said that he had lately issued a
proclamation, that all persons from Russia and
Austrian Poland should depart from Posen. He (Lord
Brougham) thought that was very unlike the rest of
his Majesty's conduct since he ascended the throne.—
(Hear, hear.) If he had done so, it must be in
consequence of something -which had not come to the
knowledge 'of the public in this country. He (Lord
Brougham) thought such a proceeding was' not con-
sistent' with the mildness and justice 'of the. King's
administration hitherto: , • -
The Earl of ABERDEEN had again to. ob-
serve, that in-consequence of the want of 'notice, he
was unable to give a decided answer.—(Hear and a
laugh.) He- knew indeed .that. the King of Prussia
had lately adopted some measures in relation to the
mPoelasisuhrergefuegxeteensdredesid, residing iwnaPos
notosers but how 'far those
prepared to say;
He agreed with his Noble and Learned- Friend,
that from what they knew of Aheseharacter and
Government of the Xing•of Prussia, it would appear
that whatever he had done, was 'warranted by- the
necessity of the case —(Hear.)
CATHOLICS ON-JURIES IN'IREL AND. •
Lord CAMPBELL begged the indulgence of the.
House, while he' brought under their notice' a mat' er
which had, occasioned
In
pain -to a. gentleman of
he .would •keep
and not make
laugh.) He re'
ahg iriFpsteelefchrespectability. within'
,‘twithout
outheirt a
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nsionortiddso°l s ;14
gretted that the Noble ,Lord the Earl of Roden was
not present; however, he would not - hesitate to
mention the matter in his Lordship's" Absence,
for he was , bringing no charge. against the
Noble Earl, - who had said nothing: 'which
he did- not - believe .°"s he -perfectly. correct.
But - the Noble Earl fell: into a 'mistake natu-
rally The gentleman in 'whose behalf
he (Lord
had. to-solicit their attention was
er nd o ugh.
Campbell)
Mr. Richard O'Gorman, an opulent and respectable
merchant of the city of Dublin, who was one of the
grand jury before whom the-indictment was preferred-
..about -to advert
against Mr. O'Connell.. The - circumstance to.
hwhich e he
mentioned (i ord Cbaymilip Campbell)
Noblee11)
and Learned Friend
was .s
behind -him; and -on -.that occasion Lord Roden said
that it was an instance of the 'unfitness of Roman
Catholics to be placed upon- juries, because: 'Mn.:
O'Gorman, notwithstanding his oath to keep his own
counsel and that of his fellows; declared• in • open
court that he had not consented to the finding. The
fact was that the fore Man of the. grand ,jury signed
the' Bill for " himself and fellows;" when Mr.
O'Gorman." said. in .Court that he for one had= not
'agreed. Mr.' O'Gorman had ' a 'son at 'the
Irish Bar, who had communicated with him
(Lord C.), e and 'transmitted to him references- to•
authorities which proved that the jurors were
only bound by their oaths to keep Secret the evidence-
and material facts which came before- thencbut they-
, were in no wise bound' to conceal in what way they
had voted in the jury-room. There was 'a 'case at
the Old Bailey, on which the Chief Justice presided,
and actually examined the jury individually in Court
as to the way in which they-had votedsand in another
case Lord Kenyon riled that grand juror. could
be examined • upon- a trial to prove whether
or not the evidence ' of 'the • prosecuting wit
ness was the same • in. Court -- at the trial
with that ' which' had given before the jury.
It was quite 'enough if twelve 'concurred in finding
the bill; the dissent of those Who did not was of no
importance.- He should not conclude by any formal
Lord BROUGHAM thought there was no oc-
casicm for that there was nothing objectionable
in the' mode taken to defend an absent person.
But its-was only right that he should state
there must be a great mistake either in the report
or the recollection of the NOble and Learned Lord, if
he supposed that Lord' Roden meant :to throw any
imputation on Mr. O'Gorman of having violated his
oath. But the Noble Earl was arguing on the dan-
ger of leaving Roman Catholics on the
petty jury, and in order's to illustrate this, he stated
that the trials were looked on so much as a Catholic
question in Ireland, that this respectable individual,
a Catholic,vvas so apprehensive and-alarmed at the effects
of being supposed to have agreed with the other grand
jurors that he did avery unusual thing—he came into
open Court, and declared that he did not, concur in
the finding. • Certainly there was no intention on the
part of Lord Roden to impute anything like moral
perjury to Mr. O'Gorman.
Lord CAMPBELL said he had not intended to in-
troduce anything of a controversial nature into the
question. '
The Marquis of WESTMEATH bore testimony to
the honourable conduct of Mr. O'Gorman when
assistant barrister of the county in which he lived.
After a few words from Lord WBARNCLIFFE and
Lord CAMPBELL, the conversation dropped.
FREE TRADE.
Lord CLARENDON (on behalf of Lord Radnor)
postponed the presentation of the petition from the
county of Somerset, in favour of free trade, till
Thursday, the 29th inst.' • -
TRADE WITH TURKEY. '
- Lord BEAUMONT asked if it would be conra.

nient for the Government to lay on the table any
copies or extracts of correspondence between the
Foreign-office and the Porte, relating to the duties on
British goods imported into Turkey.
The Earl of ABERDEEN made no objection to
laying the correspondence on the table.
JURIES IN IRELAND.

The Marquis of LANSDOWNE gave notice of
his intention to move that there 'be laid before the
House any instructions that had been given in Ireland
with regard to the mode of striking juries. He did
not fix any day for that motion.
Their Lordships then adjourned.