The Sun.
London, England, 1810-03-13 00:00:00

Pitt of tlit':
,11111 cif r.rghte, witch was quotcrl
T to the speech of the new Teller of the Eecheriti;se
i(who was now, standine for Cambridge, and, whom
1 e 0-
i' hoped, for the honour Of England,, would net
, e..e elereed) which states,e" that noediecussion of
,t.ll, preeeedings of that House shall take p'lace.out of
',lay. The Honourable Member then meirtioned his
_Lt . Navin The
L. 1 shewn a summons by Sir Wm. Curtis,
!lion), though a . Member, he named- as being a
etoestitutional and public- man; for-the purpose of
rending the city of London, where the pensiOn of '
t 2901, peeatinurn, welch had peen granted to Lord
.7 Ilingion,- was condemned, yet there was no notice
;Ken ot their resolutions ? Shall then the thuzider of
. tad
eall.on an ineignificant -debating society,
: . ilyttd. tee city ot London be-disregarded ? As often as
,s'lls Ho.ise endeavours to repress public diseuseion it
't!ver tai come off with credit : in bad Administea-
On', the greatest consolation the people possess,
the liberty et the press. He then allueed to
Gthe mischievous consequences which attended Lord-
-ortlee measure of excluding strangers troll the
parliament
of : the House; and finally recesumended
Vrliatuent not tif engage in.foolistesquabbles with
ueVitirig Societies. He believed ;he morteregulat
ciqseatild be to proceed by :petition; but he con-
tai'ed4avin
byrirgovio
an
amendawmt se That Mr. Gate
expressed dne contrition at the liar of
es House, and .being imprisoned since the 21st of -
vek -11,sheuld now be discharged.-
- „Tee SPEAKER then put the motion. •
c -4:he CHANCELLOR Of the EXCHEQUER could not '
anctl, &tester in tee motion .ofethe Hon. Baronet,
'l'l, in the arnendtnent of the Right Hoe. Gentle- e
Is',lalt• Tee arguments of the Hon. Baroset removed
all 'foutidation for his motion ; the very admission
which had been made of the power at the House to
e)lntnit any' person_ for contempt of its authority was :
viecisi've ot. that point. The Right--Hon. Gentle-
, ;t S. Who 11101,ed, -the amen anent had stated, that
„ eeuld not be just to niake the person who was
ene object of the present discussion, et martyr to
V,,' arguments of the supporters of the privileges of
e'rliarrient, but while the Right Hon, Gentleman
fill?s. tisposed to uphold' those privileges, it was not a
' -1 ~-ular that he should, in this particular bike,in-
wishb a sacrifice of them to be made by the •
Zilses and move to discharge. the person alluded
v. It hart be, n •id that the case of Mr. -Reeves
ZaS a grave and serious ca-e, perhaps, because the For the motion
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rtigtll Honourable Gentlemen himself, had brought Against it
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Majority against if - - - ----sue
cto tee notice -of the House ; but when other
s, PORTUGAL TREATY.
t'elelemen. brought charges :affecting the priviegss
,', the House, then they were not. to be treated t On 'cur re-admission to the Gallery, we-thund
Q~~hany degree of severity. The Righth mte ,Honour- Mr. FuEEmANTLE calling the attention of the
e Genta talked of the House coating ill , House to a paragraph 'contained in some Of theNe efss
tlit of • this case; and that it was nut -cry de- papers, which stated that on the numbers -ben] des
t°reus to notice lieeeers -of this sort. Whatever ' dared on the division of Fiidey night reset-x.l[lg the
viii be the event of the 'present proceedings, it , Subsidy to Pot tugal, ,M re Croke, the Ministi:rial
48 pretty clear,
.fosse -the Right .Hononteele I Teller had missed a beech of ti ends to the Minister,
then. tlernan's own sertemetit, that tne House. did ia :: nut less. than 40, and the Opposition Teller (Mr.
aease of Mr. Reeves come ill ote, for the Jury to
.: „Fre,eiratitle) had not corrected the error. Mr. F.
tom the alleged libel was referred .:.eclared onee teir • now appealedte the House wheilier he had not dune
be that it was ne libel'. If any distinction was to ' les duty in counting the House; and 'at le tiler the
.n. take,: ,n the two cases, it was this : that- the . . Hon. Gentleman opposite hed but aereed eitte him
goose, in the case of Reevese would not trust its , in tenoers. .
,°!en teetings, naturally roused and warmed by tee i - Mr. CROKEn observed, that the Hon. Gentleman.
t4tleessioned'eloquence of the Right Hon. Gent. and , was perfeCtiy correct in hit serterneot that tee
11)erefore sent it to a Jury. With respect to what the numbers Were accurately 'counted. With respee
eight Hon. Gentleman had urged about not visiting to th paragraph, he certainly should have been
-: ellunieer of Parliament upon an insignificant de- ' happy if he could have realized the.expedation held
Zthesociety,. be .struhl eeSire the House to attend - Out, and have asserted mow that theie were 40
the
:a" paragtauh inserted at the bottom of the bill more friends on his side the House, • but the fad
which Mr. Jones tees convtated,and there they ", unhappily was not so.
1.0 ltrsee a most gross libel, tending to bring Par- • SCHELDT INQUIRY. - 117illent into contempt,- and subversive of all those Lord PORCHESTER gave.notice, that as it was proe
eleples which' the Bel of Rights was intended to bable the Inquiry would close this day, he would
on
' 'd. In d laving a co3;parison between the for- : this day fortnight bring forward some resolutions
aranee of the HouSe,in not noticing the conduct of upon the subject. .
. ;.`l6 Curporauon of London, he conceived iteWas wise ' FOREIGN SLAVE TRADE. • -
~"11.1.e Huh:o so to abstain, for the Corporation were Mr. BROUGHAM moved for certain papers respea--
:bsetebled in a legal form, and had the. right to corn- ing the, Foreign Slave Trade. The ~objea which
,4ent no its procesdingss bst ;you'd- the Right Han. the 'Hon. Gentleman had in view, was to' ascertain-
tale tan-end- that "a spouting club was en- i what-proceedings had beer adopted lestween._ our
d to pass a grtiss, censure, upon the Legislative ' Government and the States of Sweden, Portugal,.
.eessetuoly unnoticed and. unpuniseed ?. Tee Cor- , and Spain, upon the ~übjeA W
of the _Abolition. ith
ofr:it!on of Louden- had a legitimate objet in View ; • respett to the first of thg'se Powers; notwithstanding
t Ito with the British 'Forum or any of those sort ". the terms of alliance which governed the intercctese
% speaking societies; The Right Honourable : between the. two States, and the Resolution of 1807,
tentleman tepid not agree. to the ansendtrient, : fop abolishing the tragic in slaves, which 'made it
Ilcattse it would Sit aside ehate'resped which the ' itn.erative on the Government to consult with lo
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Ouse owed it-Self. There was no install-Le to be I reign Stites upon the po:icy and humanity of fore-
ee,i‘tod upon record in Which an individeal commit- going that inbutpan traffic, yet -it was still carried
fOr _an offence Was released; without peti- : on. The House must be apprised that the colonisl
toningA; to be'discharged. He. trusted the HoUse 1 possessions of Sweden were of no importairce..The
41°tIld pairse befote they couseeted to, the amend,- ! small island of St. Bertholornew constituted the
t Cult, and not for the first time make. a precedent. I whole of their poss4ssion3, and conseivently the
heY. the forms Of the HouSe, they could not avail I traffic must be sma I. Notwithstanding 'this, how-,
tnielves of the admission or error of Mr. Junes, I ever, the traffic was cart ied on _under the- Swedish
we Must make some, subsequent aloneineie, and lie : flag to egreat extent, principally, as he understooct,
l(1 hot think,. they would be indiSp6sl to listen to for British. benefit With respeet to Portugal he
, old
petition. All that they, had in view was by ' -had understood lsom a Governor of one of their set-
r
4ishing to found an example'; but if 'the indivi- dements, when he was at Lisbon, that upwards oaf 4:41 now before the'House should be so ill-advised ' 15,000 negroes were imported annually from the
, )1 trot properly to demean- himself (which however Portuguese settlements to America, and that the
.
clic' was not dispesed to think was the.case, for he
-Spanish trade was great.
.The Hon. Gentleman
doper
for. know it to be so), the House would have a next adverted to the AmeriCan trade, and observed,
'oeer respell for its own dignity. • - I that an 'agreement upon that subjed had been en-
Mr. 4 SHERMAN, in -explanation, wished to core eered into, as he understood, .withi Mr. Erskine, for
Itt.t the Rigte Hon. Gentleman.. In the case of Mr. so he gathered troth the documents on the table, for
f tees, so tar from the House not trusting its own the abolition of the traffic. After apologising to the
Zl"clings, and. passing ate opinion 'upon the book in House foreroubling them on the subje.d, he moved.,
estion, they did declare, in the strongest manner, "An humble Address to his Majesty for copies of
e 'at it was a fhlse, scandalous, and malicious libel. , all communications made by the Secretary of State
:lEarl TEMPLE would not ob. Vet to the petition of to the Foreign Ministers resident, here, since 1806,
t-zones, if
.he snopld present one to-morrow, for ' on the subject of the Abolition of the Sieve Trade."
ne tinie welch heliatleufferedimprisontnenewas, hd Mr. CANNING seconded the motion. With re-`
conceived, a. sufficient punishment for the offer e. sped to the aside, the Hon. Getitleman had only
he Earl couldnot consent to discharge Iran, I stated, that this country being on terms of amity
i
hill lie lurid expressed contrition in the regular Way. with Se eden, Portugal and Spain, had made repre-
thth resped to the allusion that had been made to' ► . sentations for the abolition.. - When the papers were'
e
clause in the Bill of Rights, be had to observe;
on the table, the House would see- that the most
that- 1
r tie clause was legally .and constitutionally : anxious representations had been made to Portugal,
riirecf. He onsiderece diet the Corporation of Lon-, and to the Government at the Brazils, to concur iii
olts and iedeed of any City properly convened, had the entire abolition of the Slave Trade. Although
fe right or expreihing their opinions olthe cooduel - tLat wish was most strongly expressed, and al-
their leprescutatireS. . - , though our situation wish Portugal gave the right
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heMr. IN lieretteeo was of opinion 114 f. Juties had ' to express that desire, yet his Majesty's-Government;
ti "1 imprisoned long enough, it was not necessary '.eoaltl not
.hold out the eight of .complete dictation,
tllit the Honse-for .its- own dignity stioelld continue Mir could 'it; on the other hand, be considered as
:Term of that irrprisonifitnt.. He- ho'wer er could-the want bi zeal in the foreign Powers, if in, the
at t vote for the- Hen.
,Baronet's triotion, and was space of te`elve months -they had not acconipliseed
11("trY that he had broogct it forward in such a shape what it cost- some of the , ablest men- in this country xi 4t It was inVOSS:bli: io :,eci,le -upon it ; the House I twenty years to accomplish. ' The treaty made
e!)doubtectly has the P.eser of comniittidg to prison i with the Government of the Brazils would be found
i:Jr contempe but in sortie cases such contempt night '.; mole effectual than the'Ainerican Treaty, which • . :Is
i.e indiscreet. - .1-1 - Ilionelit' witlthis_ Right-Hens 'not retsfied. As to the Spanish part ot the clues-
' end (Mr. Sheridan) that the Muse wetild . nor . Lion, the lion. Gentleman perhees bed not over-
,

. cetne Kit clear, but. at,4he s tirce could - not
vote in the aflirmatiVe.of• the proi.oiitiOn Of the
Hcn. Baronet.
Mr. C. WYNNE was ready to admit that in of-
fences of this kind, the House should set bounds.to
their punishment. At the same time ,he. thought
• that as there was no precedent for the amendment,
and as it was necessary the. pa-Frson should express his
contrition by petition the best mode would be•to ne-
gative the arnendatedt.
Sir FRANCIS BURDETT replied at some length to
the arguments ;sod cases which hadbeen' brought
f6rward in opposition to.him. The Hon..Barenet
had never meant to contend that the
.House had not
the power to commit for contempt, but he had cis-
tinellv admitted that power when .eonfin,d tO the re-
moval.of obstra.aion: to its judicialproeeedings; that
wai the legal meaning .of .the word ",contempt.7
Further than that he,could not go, he denied the right
()leaning persons to the Bar, making them convia
themselves, and then sending theca to- Newgate.
The Hon Baronet noticed all the arguments opposed
to, hint, -and stated that his unvarying principle had
been to resist arbitrary authority come irons what
quarter it rn;ght, that the orders of the House were
not legally binding Upon the subject, whO
,for
any
infringement of them was-amena oale only to- .Court
cf Jud cature. The law as defined was What he
desired ; That law which stiipped the high fiying
wings- of the -prerogative of the Crown. There
was no n e isure of punishment fur offending against
Parliament, they might be' committed to prison for
five minute; only, or the iinprisonntent • might last
for seven. years, because, in the former instance,: a
dissolution of Parliament might take place ; and in
the ,otter, fro'm a feeling of great injury, a person so'
Committed might. not cliuse to petition., The Lex
Purliamentoram was in that case a hardship on the
subjeet. Magna Charta was the law of the land,.
and, there could not be two laws.. • With respect
to the dignity of Parliament, about which so much
had been said, Why if dignity was to Le estimated by
by the severity of the punishment, Jack Ketch
wool . be the most dignified executioner of punish=
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ments in existence.

The amendment of Mr. SHERIDAN was then pot
and negatived; and the Gallery was cleared for a di-
idsioil upon tile original motion of Sir ntANcia
BURDETT.