The Sun.
London, England, 1845-06-07 00:00:00

tbirb Tibitton

RAILWAY COMMnrEES.

(THIS DAY.)

The r— GROUP FF.
No, 7. -"ucnittee met again this day at twelve o'clock, in Room
kr, B. :embers present—Lord Ashley, chairman, Mr. Curteis,
111,:barue; Mr. Collins, and Mr. Blackstone.
`ll ZprINTAVITYLGH AND NORTHERN
fit, E.A.ILWAT.
soak ti,„:""aul Anderson, examined by Mr. HOPE—Has been for
The u"4 guard of the mail coach from Edinburgh to Aberdeen.
:.°CeUPied in crossing the river from Granton to Burnt.
raieutes-'"es from forty-five minutes to at: hour and twenty-five
The pe; Tbe usual time in flue weather was forty-five minutes.
terse,t„Ne was very rough in boisterous weather. The passen-
over th7ed from sea-sickness, and the water frequently washed
not„4l. The passage was very dangerous. The Granton pier
1110,1,,,,et7 safe. A gentleman fell off' the pier into the water a
of his
eree ago, and would have been drowned but from the nature
treat del ding, which kept him afloat. The mail was subject to
to the. aY In crossing the ferry, and witness had often complain( d
not ee'oPerintendent of the pier, and the answer was that it could
going turetnedirell. Thedifficulty and danger could be got rid of by
o Me up and crossing at Queensferry, where it was only
rade across.rake
sdkle._ xamined by Mr. M`Nien.—The pier at Granton was not
tailßeyto the traffic which would arise from the construction of a
i„
fth' It
s
.„0 the greatly exposed to the sea. The gentleman who
41%4
Pinghe his life. Could not say he fell in from the many
otit ee., sad on tripping him up ; such might have been the case,
tethe.uSlderea it owing to the boisterous weather and the exposure
host, to to the beating'of the sea. The cloaks certainly kept him
stioteil.;"ess was briefly re examined by Mr. Hoe; but nothing
Ifs
.Ihe case at issue was elicited.
~Eeßattray, another guard of one of the Edinburgh and
lake es ,t° t?
all coaches, was examined. His evidence was to the
!lit, ret-
t4a; tea- Barker was examined by Mr. HOPE—He was a seafaring
i'rh„ 'Passe.- "Mulcted a steam-vessel plying
,between Burntisland.
kleas,...-°` Wu most danger us and would be more so when the
bi!°l4-"Trotatralne of the railway 'came to it. Vessels very often
eek their moorings in consequence of the great exposure to
111,-•
"deltness
was cross-examined by Mr. Serjeant BELLASIS, but
Kkr, Jebea chief was not upset.
''uttltot, RaY; examined by Mr. CLERK—Was clerk to the
Iteskeee se at Granton
pier. The spray often washed over the
14441- Pl/tail at the pier, It was not a safe place for shipping or
T 1
eahle r
the sea
Passengers were exposed to great danger from the
e „.
v clot
A„'ne" was cross.examined by Mr. Sergeant BELLASIS.
,7% Somerville, examined by Mr. Sergeant WRANOHAM.—
14ataki; to the Post.office at Edinburgh. The mails from
L. 144447 Were the most regular coming to Edinburgh.
The
C. -gll, Mails were frequently very much behind in their
the 4111443111..
ned by Mr. Sergeant BELLASIS—The delays since
floethe. of Granton-pier were 219. It was open about nine
bn 'hite 11le delays on the ferry and on the read were included
ttett4;,.bst Could not say bow many of those delays were
ktiteeehse ferry; many might have taken place on the road.
Cestlifer,,---4WIbY Mr. Sergeant WRANORAM—The delays by the
t....'Oetet;7 were 86 in the same period. The difference of time
"914 ho delays of the Queensferry and Burntisland was, Queens.
The4urs behind, and Burntisland, 44.
t% the it lifs en the Burntisland were put down to the ferry, and
ieu,eett's to the road.
...tiltoofteretek ant, Bauesis—Have not the guards an interest In
-ertb;,ldelays on the Burntisland ferry? Witness could not
47t. 4,4ew they were very well-conducted men.
Dowie examined by Mr. HOPE—Was factor to
e:ht- k•llarles Adam. Was frequently delayed w. hen
.cro.ss-
mete er;slurritisland to Granton-pier. The delays in bringing
%oast e of very frequent occurrence, and occasioned much
therskeZatai,
byed Mr. TALBOT—Was very much annoyed by
th.ver, Mentioned.
tteft,""..l°T--Of course you would like this difficulty removed ?
111..41, should most undoubtedly.
`41.40.r
lirSta. --Then you are a friend to improvement ? Witness
I:lltate-r°l--Pray have you ever signalised yourself by a
kh
e done theso great inconvenience of this ferry ? Witness—
s,vta .
Ivrcery, andal--Come now, have you not written to the Caledonian
Put your sign manual, as a friend to improvement ?
"to yes, I did mention the inconvenience I was sub-
kr, .414.°11e occasion.
4tki,Slt
ictste tn-em"--And a very nice little essay it Lughter.)
Co elegant extract from the Mercury of June the
`canto; here it is—
te,,So etutl-Piee everybody must allow is a great improvement,
IC it the e Praise is due to the spirited individuals who have car.
lV :jib; but, from what has been stated, it is quite evident
requires something more to constitute it an entirely
0444 °W
-Water pier, and more particularly, as it is
kern het°. make this the crossing station for the
sCitt the e TsttY from Edinburgh to Perth. But let me add, that
Ite;eh there way by Queensferry to Perth be carried through (of
lotto is every probability), the chance is, that few will sub-
the'eutions of this nature at Granton, if they have the option
htelth iteilioUte to the north. In short, had the Queensferry and
lee left .„..waY been in operation on Monday last, a person could
14'4 ear,toburgh and been in Perth during the time that I, as
others, were kept standing and starving on Granton-
I
I am, Sir, your most obedient servant,
beii
A FRIEND TO IMPROVEMENT."
lvse are this friend to im prove
ete You
ment ? Witness—Yes,
op, 1,47 ,_1
complaint.
Not, °T---Have you any interest in the Queensferry? Wit_
Tara
114 now.
Zek„447--.-rNor any one within
ncointnected ?
44Z'kue:Zohl AdamSiinrdCehedarletshatwhom
has an you
interestare
will do, Mr. Howie.
11,144,,,Litt4ithe.t44. Charles Adam, examined by Mr. HOPE—He was of
IleCbe w the projected line of railway by the Queensferry
l'Y 4Ltteater advantage to the country traversed than the
slottiPt ier and Burntisland. The Granton ferry was
ete'he4reeee4l4l:llPconvenient. The greater amount of population
40.4201ie ,laulodated by the Queensferry.
Vulkett, examined by Mr. HOPE—Was of opinion
Cry' b44ferrY would be a preferable course for a line of
Of il:1:that 4%44.144
pros._. by Mr. TeLavr—His property lay on the
. line
f
torall-hitalllats_ from Queensferry, and the construction o
I,eehrit ,ealttlee7 of advantage to his property.
thq°,llll4N‘lbbOttilitelarnined by Mr.
. HOPE—There was a general
e in Dunfermline against the Edinburgh and
tto Had no interest in. either; line. Knew no-
eitirobNati °f the comparative merits of proposed railways;
•na:i Zell furnished by bis constituents of Dunfermline..
rtkr. Linteri,;' by Mr. TALBOT—His constituents were con-
.lll4l„,olesse --ed in the Queensferry line.
ear,-"fect Zan:lined by Mr. HOPE—Was Superintendent of
At ItelttLe she Granton -pier ferry was most dangerous in
et-;• Was in favour-P of the Queensferry projected line.
et 15.10 of the proceedings the Committee adjourned till
allt-Pst twelve o'clock.

Kll GROUP KK.
Nite it tee AND BURY LINE.
kt4tter the"ee Met at the usual hour; Sir C. Lemon in the
tiep
kt: appootir—netion of some merely formal evidence, the case
rest, `'ter° was opened by
Vtltit:t s pro Who said he appeared there to protect the inte-
Varkehatt teet•—the Liverpool, Preston. and Ormskirk Railway-
-147 ittet. "e niistortune to be thrown out by the Standing Orders
to leak taLle.now Wished to ask the Committee what course
et, 'Letto r If they tookinto consideration only the line
44.1% Weg. th
-it hi, en he would withdraw from it, and not inter.
eitt vro Vto.lect but •
;,., if they took that from north to south,
14te ease, iettere with his line, and he must appear through-
tiinttow,„""'d cross-examine each witness.
444„,ti0n. Q.C., said this was certainly a most extraordinary
Itocmester ,flie entire Bill was presented for the Liverpool and
k 'yet Rail,
40t aYr and now they were asked, on behalf of a
hio.tiod oi
I:re the Committee, to open only a portion of their
ihte_erooldll_heir plan, a course to which he hoped the Corn.
tellYo,"aalitu: eesent•
1/4 oed. said they preferred that the case should be
Qipy4llll.4 koohs then rose, and said he appeared for the Liver-
gaveL_ did nc7!tet Railway. In opening the project of this Corn.
and ',lntend to institute any comparison between the
44,244, th
,15OrY line and his scheme. What he wished to
1/4)047 .tat htri:ine would afford ample facility of communi-
-4441 red towns of Wigan, Bolton, Bury, and Liver.
to not think it would form any part of
Get tti ah OW the defects of the Bury Railway,mhoraed ebsepeen.
14 era were moo
O
lisuePP°,,,rt of iwyhiriawkansa coofmt hmeo env
to
do ebnocteh whichschemes. But
Mitted that there was a considerable traffic between
tterteledlitte and
raffle Wigan, he denied that the allegation of
IssolLa4sa had any foundation iri fact. He admitted that
th
ha
. verY la •
ther rge increase of traffic to Liverpool from those
tie e was not at present sufficient accommodation,
Stklktitireo vras a necessity for greater, and, therefore, upon
ithjettends he asked the Committee to sanction the
oii r Would lay before them. 800,0001. was the sum
;gib:444;er required for carrying this plan :into operation.
11t,Zfrod, 07 nd Liverpool Company expected no immediate
V." • . expenditure, only what would result from the
ter
Mao. of communication between those impor-
N- towns.
It had been for several years
of the
tokh.etie bot Manchester and Bolton Railway Company to
L'1,41 ween Bolton and Bury, but such was the smallness
•,• ;"ticie4an between these towns, that that power had never
Ltekoea, %tot° execution. The Company did not think the pro:
Cotd„.Peosate them. He thought the Manchester and Li.
7a3' should meet with favour in the eyes of the Coma
L.410t11-vat. by ta: the first established in this country. The first sum
'aarlohe ern Was 800,0001. for the constricting the line be-
1004ce takellster and Liverpool. From the improvements which
1.1,,4 °l's so Placer that line could have been constructed for
00/. .„ that rb
s. %rho she tt they bought their experience at a cost of
.74 1 Board of Trade had in their report admitted that the
-f7r nchester Railway had, in conjunction with canals,
yth • ttat was the town and trade of Liverpool, but he
Cee fioc:d bad donrnuch too limited and qualified praise for a Com.
rkb.- e 'a) much. He had said that the original cost
~i.:7ly,
ru4t that sum had been, since 1831, doubled by the
Nl:ettovelli_aer to facilitate communication, and to afford
he same 1845:tree of trading and travelling to the public, for, in
Pt °f 1,70„11e sum expended by this Company had reac.hed
,10J..°tett by vt,,uool. Cotton was the principal traffic, and might
:'it; be advocates of the Liverpeol and Bury line, but
11e eebi-7`erribered that cotton was not a species of co:n-
tizttitto -wereellllnired any great dispatch of communication ;
~ese2aist abe__.°antust complaints that there did not at
LpiktilLero itoLieun° eof communication between the towns of
dii betwee nd Bury. What was sought for was com-
fit!, tett to n these towns and Liverpool. Bolton had a
,_"? to
clannebester. There was in progress a direct line
et 1,4;11.th 144'1114e, cheater ; and Wigan bad an indirect comm
N,Nrotl and
The first scheme he would submit was
ktatodth oetir Clifton branch, which would aff.rd a continuity
or ika, between Bury and Liverpool, by Rossendale.
Z,eithrostrocii"'s branch was three miles nd half and the cost
14t Traa' " was estimated at 95,00a01. aThe 'report of the
Ni "%lid was th
th, Ope, at this was a proper line to be made. This
'llll rah, A ",cotrimunication between Liverpool and Bury,
%id tbo eklingd
114 V Ne i. 71 would don, Blackburn, and a very large field to the
be as Mr. Walker, M.P. had observed in his
kr`oreot `" Well served T
4tid "%lb , cornidd• , • he only place Bury would not
ht the% Loien R ication with weal Bolton. At Parkside
kit‘tel2.4rtied o„„3,:iwaY joined the Liverpool and Mar,cliester,
71toto, co ::`_:e the direction of Manchester, but it went
k an took and, in order to remedy this winding, they
eibou,'`u_ chains of railroad at this junction, which would
tht•i2ielivnido •,totoweard.
Liverpool, enabling the trains along the
ilt7t *44 Pe'l4:ch their destination without any stoppage at
‘,ltoot.no The cost of this would be 3,8001., and
4.litleen,„l7'en'et;
of
the part of the landowners. The next
ebiect of t' °r near, St. Helen's, and pass up to lii.if-
'elkaatrst and the this
.oe line was to connect Southport with
s too t.afiro.,, whole country south of the Liverpool and
Ole furlon The length of this branch was sixteen
it!„,„ here s ga, and three chains, and the cost 131,3141.
e-els, eix
.woUld be
a branch line to Rainsforth,
11Z4.47:4 theselurlOr,
88, and three chains ; the cost, 163,279/.
wis Tred '3lO branches, therefore, would be 350,000/. The
had report
get ed that the St. Helen's and Rufford
evesssuy, as It Only skirted the great coal-field but