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received about one-iltrdr of the tytheii and thg number cif pigfesittigAireient.ieligiOns iri
Clergy the other two-thirds ; but instead of teCeite Ireland, bee tune he did not think th'64! Litt!
.any
frig mate-tenth, they did not receive, in slame cases application to the qtiestion before :he Hotee, tHough
above one-twentieth, and in seaters, above one he should haVe no difficulty in ehetaing that -the
thirtieth. Bett in any plan proposed for the relief of Hari, Gentlernen was in tfiany instances erroneous:
lii • Chergy, shat plan must be founded, weep. the But he believed that persons of all cleScriptines e.'ere
principle: of Vick betng.intitled to one-tenth.. Here anxious .to apply some remedy to this evil,'as they
then .1)1,:as one great 'difficulty ; be did not mean to considered it. Whether he agreed with them upon
gay' the difficulty was insuperable, but it, 1111.14 that poibt or not, still be felt that it.was the duty of
be obvious to every Gentlsneatt that` it was an • obe Governihnt to allay eyed a- pie judice, o: -0 SheW
steale which:4' would not be very es' too, get over, that tlWy had done emery thing hotheir power to re-
it Unnoutit:dly was the duty, aed it• certainly wee move the cause of the complaint: But he thought
• the sincere. wish ef his .Alajasty's Mil,isters, to en- it would" be highly improper to into the Commit-
deavour to get over these didieelties, alai_ to .adopt, tee Without having previonsly a rational chance of
;1f they could, a plan whiCli would do justice to all -success ; if they were to do go's- -theyt would excite a
parties, amid give general Sat-isl.t(lion i .but- he watt flame of expectation throughout Ireland, Which they
cure that the House
swould agree, with him, that would not find it. very easy to allay. He had shown
`4.would, be highly improper tes.give. hopes and to that the Phil nropesed- by the Hon. Gentleman: was
eapetiatioes, when there wee
,not feir and attended with insuperable difficulty. The Honour=
rational chance el accomplishing the object in view: able Gentleman had deelated that none of the plans.
• An-Oilier difficuLys .and sserieus,orte teo„Was, that which had been previously proposed met With his
"hi different parts of I, el end tythes tarerespaid in dif- approbetion; under these circumstances, he confeses
lerent ways. In some places tytties were paid upon ...ed 'he did not see any ehzince of succeeding .in the
Potatoes, in othersehey were not. In short,- there object which they all had in view by going into the
Naere so many tliersioes, 'lvrea would be most cliff- Coremitted at pre§ent, he thereloye. felt himself
tticult td frame any general system that would eine bound, though Very reluaantlY, to oppose the
raCe -N=t man, he was. sure, could sup, motion.
POSe thAthGovertiment were not disposed.te alleviate Sir Jotter NEWPORT contended, that his Majesty's
The Siltferings of the peopie, it they did suffer ;, out Ministetls were bound to
,grant the motion, as a
rot svottl-d• roe unf
..roir not to tak into considetae weans of sati.sfyiug the people that the expeetatiOns,
torteell the difficulties' that pre,,euted themselves, which they had so repeatedly held out, would be
-great difficuOy, was, that the landlorda got realized. If it should not turn out, upon inquiry,-
2!lhre or thee. -lands than .thee ought to get, that the nicest:lre was impalaicaelee still the people
' end, In his en' Scieni-e he be:Levert that that WAS -,wouid be satiefied, because they would then see
lhe chef cause of the dissatistact•en thatsubsisted,. that Ministers were deeirous of at. least Making the
la he. plans kvh;ch had la en most strongly re- trial.. Year after year :the same as stem of delusion
'Commended. in order to reme, e the. complaints re- had been
practised, acid "the Ri,,bt Hon. Gentleman
ty, ' was, that of leasiog them; but he again oarne forw=ard to say, the., after the recesso, he
s con,, ioced, thai when Gentlemen loeked at the 'would turn his attention to cite subject. It was upon
of Ireland,. the would agree with him in the promise that ientodificationpf tithes shoUld take
vi kin e thet to give power to,- the incumbent. to place, that Mr. Pitt carried the, pSojea of the 'Lillian.
itha. t ejyt for a .eitain number of years, would Teo y.:arshad elapsed Since that measure was car-
te! 'if rd any adequate relief'. In considering this Pied effect, and the erieVance • still remains--a
c be- had ot tear-e endeaventhjalb'• ` -grasses:es; great indeed, fur it went to exOucle the
f t -at every qoarter, and among ethetet, '•• fiat froth ate, oppression of the tax, and amply
had
.applteil to the Clergyman of the parish • krievad 'the poor. :If Gentlemen should contend
•in wlecer is house sieods and asked himethe nthat- that tio 'tgagereent was entered itito tor a modal-
ber o•• tiotil 3,V h on] he received tythe,s. The catioe, he was- repared to prove, by evidence et '
;rawer ~c received ease:that the number sell° paid flie Bar, the contrary to-be the feet. He' would
tattles let year. %vas-A.937. .This seemed to be a prOVO that ihducernents to carry the Union, such
kale nemeer ; 'but the Clergyman added-in his lets, as he sßatt stated, were not.only made covertly, but
•th it ',the tvtlies.ot a very. great proportion of 6pedly—in one room to the .Catholics, and in an-
. tlie'e -.I:AuLLS to to-shillings: other to the Psotestants. The people off. Ireland
'om tete statement, lee House would at once see have a claim; they, imperiously call upon Parlia-
the deb; uttv of grant rig leases'. of .yitieS. The latent to fulfil the engagement Which Ministers had
Clergyman would ic•l trical to ee" hat is called in Ire- made with them. If inquiry was refused,. the
lattd-aetticalleensens-tnat at-ratan avotild let -theM.sto . peace of the country was not to he trifled with, but
allotaer, aid soon,.d the person who was to pay endangered. By acceding to it the strength of the
the tyt,,e,. (sae shilling, --Would have. to eouritry would be increased, and its grievances heals
PaY tine or six. ,The Hon Gently-reels,. in his plan Theßight.H.on. Baronet called upon the friends
foU.abolishing --tyttiese seerne:l to elnok it necessary , of Air. Pitt to proted -his name from reproach, to
!0 asceretio,. not what the whole value of the ts !hes tread in his steps, and to Carry ioto effete that mea-
•• was bat What was the ii t valne of • sure which lie promised to thd people of Ireland as
the icvin,, ansle ben t slay a tax opt ti '.he people to rte rice of the: Union-a Modification of. tithes.
4S' the. 'CI I.gytuan the value of -this flee eeeitsi.— Let his Successors flu hit engagements. The
.4-low trnm toisetet 4.ceipt, the Hon. Gentieinan Right Hou. Gentleman (Mr. Pole) had exemerated
ia the. tio;t histan e, acChrlieg to his own tne'Clerey at the ex'pence of the gentry of Ireland,
rsiticiple, have to dedUct-tythes pai•l :,iex:eeine- ficen any share in thd grieVatice. With all
Peuer p Whom be :meam.tosexo e a earceo his (Sir John's) respea-t- for the Clergy, lie did
"l'is hurtle:tr. dud this-tax w+ s-tO he laid iii soch.a not think it became the Right Honourable Gen-
Wa.Y•• aceordingeo the H•ni..o estleatan's plan; that tletmiti to run down 'a- whole body of men, and
ta. e ,• - . .
s - ertnolies i< ere. pay ti aetetilly know- , holding -them up as lettiog or canting their lands to .•
'"a'll.-satiesy, vent litres-sit eketeCeettt. had horns If the highest bidder. Whatever might be the fad
• ''t.leatied flee the Catlorli s were. COUsOlced of the in that respect, and the Right Hon. Gentleman had
3astiee et. p,oerrg, tyt hes,- aed esrt ti Ay thee were eo alluded to Watertbrd county as an instance, he had
i • lrearniflV-hri paid the t thee more cheer- to .observe that he had nothing to do With-it. He
'ositillY•thati the Catholics did` 'Bet lie begged the had ,no property in that county: but in those
'4°llst. t•• •coalide, 'time iu-ease ot this pin as it re- counties where he 'had, he could assure the House
BPected tLe Cele:semen. The.Houourabl, G title- that he never canted an acre of land, nor turned-out
ratan wcued -first pay hire, n t -ac..ortling to the full 'an old tenant. With respect to the _grievance of
lithruet of 'the 'yi .es, but according or the net va-: letting lands at' high rates, to be sure the House
ae of tie g. i\L'av he b. gged time Homan-able could not interfere ; but that was no arguthent why
to "PP'y that Prit'ciPle to the palish . the House sheuld not interfere to redress anoe,
zuieli he had he e r mentioned. In that p,roh , • titer evil complained of. The Right Honour-
lat the tytheete the `Curate, amid of able Baronet., deprecated the present system of
ruse
t,t. Hollo.ura leGentiernati would only allow tithe-taking, 'which turned- - the Curate into a •
t•ille net sue, rec,ived,-by'the;lncittrinent, leaVing tithe-ftrmer, and produced the evils complained of,
out ;he questien -that "Wes receis,'-ech by evilS , hich were greatly increased by that nest of
'e the ICerate, which celasiiily, upon every prin. honest Proaors, wbo generally 'contrived to deduct
l'-' of justice, ought to be taken into the cal- a large sum of the tithe-money from the Clergy-
teolstion. It wtited ::eve been as' well per- • man's share. He would speak from his own know-e
s if the lleikouratee Gentleman had in- ledge. The praotiee was tbr Mese Proaors to call
the Horse evlett manner he meant so a meeting at some ale-house in the parish, generally
thi, tax whici, sift ply the place of tythes, kept by a bruther, a -nephew, or a deperalein ; a
IT teat tile ina,s of. th people shook! net knot that good dinner was ordered at thd exPence of the poor,,
v Cre in-feat payieg tythes. Titters was some- 'when alter carousing, the husioess was adjourned to
e;'lta very extraordinary in the proposition
,ef the, a second day, then came another good dibiler, anu-
it` Gentleman : elsahe mean to say tied the Ca-2 e titer carousing bout, and. in the moment of joyous
not'to pay, -tythes ? If he mid let him hilarity, the poor pariehioners were corneelled to en--
4e-t-at proposition fairly at once,' and he would ter ins° agreements which in their sober moments'
le; wit it rec ptiott it would wine liana the: on. the following morning they were sorry for. He'
E,„):-I'e- If lie meant. thet. the Catholics should ,he knew for a fact, -that in .thecountyof.Sligo, a cant,
f-.". 1•••-~to• the• tytstes, why not let atheist
~at once of tithes was after an intoxication of this. kind, .sold
61.'1Y ani titi 116tly: krrow what -they 'mere paying ? •to the,higliest bidder, and the consenuence was, that
the. %rick anees complained of certainly was a disturbance arose.--i--(2Vo !. no !‘frtniz the Ministerial
oe cenclum of the PrCe ides of nonresideet Clergy, , side).--The Right Hon. Baronet must again assert
ieti , hut the 'great- soh; ce of the evil, he would 1 the fact to be 50.; it was in evidenco before, the Go-
-111-nelatti, -was the.cinsuinstance of the landlord verninent ; amid .concluded with strenuously recome
ehatng too high a-rent. With resi,,ed, 'hovt eVer, to ; mending the House to agree•to the motion for in-
. 410• ataaeatecea' resulthig front the condu& of the quiry.
Il'ic;ident Clergymen, he hoped they would be' . Mr. Weeersene . Pour, in ceptimaticah, stated
mitea great degree, ii not entirely, removed by that be did not mean to cast aisy retledieneepon the
t eßrio entoreing ttse residencee of the Clergy.— i Irish •Gentrys but upon the middle men, to whose
Nviireeretted very ,euch that
.he could not agree condutt, he hilly believed, 'was attributable the
tithe
oil 'tee proposition of the Honourable Gentle- greater part of, the -oppressions of the poor. Indeed,
104tteshalt he th„ught it would be highly improper he was warranted in this belief from a lad WhiCil
tliitgo into-the Cotninittee Without having some- jouilately come to his knowledge. In ;Consequence
es-
pre etsceec. pioposed to them. It he had .of some recent dieturhaoces particularpart'or
Ivul)osed a .Bile and stated eWhiat provisioris that Bill If which he had yesterday mentioned to the
eat' intended to contain; the House could then have- Right. Hon. Baronet, Government thought it its
via'oceetescho ttie discussion of provisions; but duty to wend down a person especially to inquire into
tujesolve at once' to go into. a Centeettee;with- the. cause, and time result of his inquiry was, that
sio' at •'ll seeing'their way through the difficulties t the disturbances.were owing entirely-to the manner
t surrounded r them, would, in his eptnion, be in which a man, who had just obtained a lease of a
°illy useless, bet inieribus. No- man could large estate, had let out the groundat arack rent to the
bly feel a moreeuxtotis solo:tede upon this people,. Such was the communication officially made
111111.1ect than his Majesty's Ministers ; Le:ley had to time Irish Government, and such was the nature of
I,__u"), plans' in their contemelstot, ; but upon a ,the casein his mind, when he ascribed so much to
in-tie-.t • • • •
s Imes, %Aim), ;hey were found impraoticable. • the tnisconduCl of the landlords. •
ho- r ••• _ato er they were anxious to eve rots hibject f Mr. LESLIE FOSTER thought itunadvisable to en--
upon
a better tooting ; and &Inez the recess lie i ter into any formal Parliamentary investigation of
deeote. the- uteme of his attention to it, and this subject until sane digested plan should be de-
hshsted. that, by ...he next. nteetiog • f Parliament, vised by those who had the best opportunity ot col-
hould be. able to proeese suele plan to the beefing information, and who were of coursei• Most
.ou, •
or rot 110 cool ot he strould a., once state- competent to arrange a sntatee measure. Tithes
that . • • • '
•L-Pri'PlerAtd me, toe •sure enpraaiceble.— were unquestionably an evil, and so was any species
to, 0 •tileold not haloes the innoto chic .Gentleiretp of tax which futmed.a sulettaaioo from the paoduee
Hir the ealdulati6ns delote respecting the iof the poor but yet the thapoOtion, of titcse-thins,s
•