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not divid? the Tl,•use. He thought itwould not be right
to restrict the polver of the Crown, and .hat it would be-
better to leave the appointments in :he hands of the
Drown unfettered.
Mr. SHEIL said he would not divide the Committee
nn the matter.

Mr. D. BROWNE, said he would divide the Com-
' raittee' on the subject. The Reman Catholic clergy
Would oppose the working of the measure if there was
not a majority of Roman Catholic Bishops on the board,
Mr. MORE O'FERRALL hoped that the Hon. Mem-
ber for Mayo would not divide the Committee. It would
place the Government- in an awkward position, for if the
Crown were left unfettered, he was sure that three Ho-
lum' Catholic ecclesiastics would be appointed; but if
the Government were forced to divide against the mo-
tion, they would be placed in an awkward position.
Colonel RAWDON hoped the Hon. Member for
Mayo would not press the Committee to a division.
• 'Sir R. PEEL said that, whether the lion. Gentleman
felt it his duty to press the question to a division or not,
the Government would do their duty.
Mr. M. J. O'CONNELL hoped the Hon. Member for
Mayo would not divide.
Mr. D. BROWNE said he had formed a strong opinion
on the Subject, and he should divide the Committee. He
regretted that there was so frequently not only a diffe-
rence of opinion between. Irish Members and the Go-
vernment, but between Irish Members themselves.
After some further discussion, the Committee divided,
When there appeared—
For the amendment l4
Against it 36
Majority against the amendment —22
The amendment was consequently lost.
On our admission to the gallery, we found
Mr. WYSE on his legs, mbving the proviso of which
he had given notice, that the three Roman Catholic
l'isitors of Maynooth should be three of the five Roman
Catholics to be appointed a Committee under the pro-
visions of the Bill.
Sir J. GRAHAM admitted that the proviso bad been
brought forward in the most candid spirit, but he
• thought it would be unwise to adopt it.
Mr. WYSE, after a short discussion, withdrew the
Proviso.
The clause, as amended, was then ordered to stand
Part of the Bill.
Colonel RAWDON then moved a clause defining the
. Persons who were to decide, in case there was any ques-
tion about any gift.
Sir R. PEEL doubted the propriety of the clause.
Mr. M. J. O'CONNELL supported the clause.
Mr. M. O'FERRALL thought the first part of the
Clause was unobjectionable ; but with regard to the
second part of it, lie thought the trustees of blaynooth
were not the proper persons to decide on the validity of
the appointment of Roman Catholic Bishops.
Sir R. PEEL was glad to find that justice was done to
the motives of the Government, and he would put it to
the Roman Catholic Members whether they were pre-
pared to entrust the trustees of Maynooth with the
P,,ower of declaring who should be the Catholic Bishop.
41e thought it would be better to leave the board un-
fettered in their decision.
Colonel RAWDON did not object to withdraw his
Proposition.
Mr. SHEIL thought that all difficulty might have
been avoided if they had consented to make it imperative
that certain Roman Catholic ecclestical authorities should
bQ members of the board.
be!dr. M. J. O'CONNELL supported the proposition,
Anse he wished to avoid any cause for future ecclesi-
astical warfare.
ra Mr. BELLEW said the trustees of Maynooth had no
eLore wer to decide who was a Bishop of the Catholic
num than any other person,
fel*. P. HOWARD said there could be no doubt but
;"at no authority could solve an ecclesiastical doubt as
`o,wbo was a bishop but the Court of Rome.
d 'le proposition of Colonel Rawdon was then with-
ra,wn, and the clause was agreed to.
On clause 7 being proposed, relating to the appoint-
ment of the secretaries,
Sir J. GRAHAM said that the report on the money
clauses would be brought up to-morrow.
The clause was then agreed to, with some verbal
amendments.
Clauses 8,9, 10, 11, and 12, were then agreed to.
On clause 13 being proposed,
wColonel RAWDON moved a proviso to the effect,
at, in all cases in which a dispute shall arise as to
ireh of the secular Roman Catholic clergy is entitled
a bequest, the Catholic Bishop who has spiritual
,jurisdiction over such clergy, shall be legally authorised
tO determine the clergyman who has a right to the
benefit of the bequest.
Sir J. GRAHAM said, that all the objections which
appliedrs to the former proposition of the Hon. and
present Gentleman applied with tenfold force to the
rresent proposition.
Galli!. SHELL supported the motion of the Hon. and
ulna Officer. The clause in the Bill had been very
etitalr,efully worded, and the Right Hon. Gentleman had
en especial care not to make the priest a corpora-
te) ,
sole.
a C"le'nel RAWDON felt bound to press his motion to
diViSiOR.
Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, and. the
Committeeu divided— 19
For Colonel RaWdoll'S clause
Against it 3B
Majority
On our return to the gallery we found
Mr. lIINDLEY objecting to the clause, as it confer-
red greater power on Roman Catholic divines than on
Presbyterians.
Sir J. GRAHAM said the same powers were guaran-
teed to Presbyterians.
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL spoke to a similar
effect.
know
Mr.
th SHEIL said it would be well for the public to
at an individual bequest might be now left in
trust fora convent • that was so by the present law. He
wished to know whether,
from grants ?
excluded
under this Bill, convents would be
Mr. WYSE spoke of the utility of convents. They
were
fu establishments of immense utility, and particularly
rot. lin Ireland ; but they were excluded, he knew not
what reason, from the provisions of this Bill. Would
the Government prohibit these institutions, to which re,.
liefhad. been granted by the Emancipation Bill ?
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said the clause had
no
A? 'falling directly on convents. Money could still be
demised for conventual establishments.
r. SHEIL said it was true a bequest could be made,
bnO ut the corporation which the Bill created would have
Power to interfere in case the bequests were mis-
th.T,l?e ATTORNEY-GENERAL (for Ireland) said
7,_111 such case there was a remedy in a court of equity.
a:r MORE O'FERRALL said something more was
ne,„saarY• He recollected an instance in which a nun-
tru'-' was ruined by the misapplication of funds by the
stee.
A w R. PEEL said the Bill did not interfere with trusts
pa,. existing. He hoped the question of the Right
the Gentleman would be reserved for a future occasion
question did not naturally arise on the present
me sure.
woMter.; SHEIL was glad to understand that the Bill
press! not affect donations to convents. A contrary im-
n ed in Ireland.
tw._u„ ioar ,T.
GRAHAMprevail said the Bill did not relax the sta-
,pen'..., mortmain in respect to bequests made to con-
stenr but at the same bequests might be made for con-
Purposes, and the Commission might be ap-
msred trustees to that bequest.
*ere WYSE wished to know whether, if a donation
h naade for the use of a chapel attached to Stoney-
coc,..,ll4t• College, fur instance, it could not be legally re-
-bulged.
aidThne ATTORNEY-GENERAL (for Ireland) said he
ill a
cot think monastic institutions could be recognised
deali un,rt of equity ; nor, by consequence, any bequest
the oseu to them. They were especially exempted from
Mr,
of the Catholic Relief Bill.
satr,
°Glue -c4lL—Then I will tell you what will be the
rlttence : the bequest is made, the Commissioners
cannot be recovered, and the Commissioners
itinhse of it exactly as they think proper.
not ae ATTORNEY-GENERAL—But that law does
r131)1Y to Ireland.
Lor,',,I)ILLON BROWNE rose to oppose the clause.
rue tat hLIOT expressed his surprise that the amend,
kts (3111,1 have teen proposed.
to de 1/441E1L ridiculed the idea of a man being allowed
Vise
Yet ilot alarge sum of money to a parish priest, and
stotie be allowed to devise a small tract of land for the
Tik:Urpose.
disti n rTORNEY-GENERAL (for Ireland) said the
Ntr.eVl had been recognised ever since 9th Gee. IV.
The
°TERRALL
en supported the amendment.
tomitt Co • Sp
ee th divi ed. The numbers were—,
Igor the clause
Against it ' 9
The Majority for the clause
'''"se was then agreed to.
discussion 1
6, 17, 18, and 19, were also agreed to without
The
rea Rouse then- resumed, the CHAIRMAN reportedday~
8, and obtained leave to sit again to-morrow (this ,

„ MERCHANT SEAMEN'S BILL.
The aLrehant Seamen's Bill was read a third time.
This I)P.IITORS AND CREDITORS BILL. epu'mit~ill _
was read a second time and ordered to be
umiitted to-morrow. ,
This ZItANSFER OF PROPERTY BILL.
eon,lmt Was read a second time; and ordered to be
ted to-morrow at twelve o'clock.
es
it RINDE obtained leave to bring in a Bill to
I,bbseh Lords'Districte Registers for Mines.
t
Amendments to the New South Wales
lAir.kB l
:i
Uouse adjourned at a Quarter past Eleven o'elock.

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