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Pailiatnent which had been called for. Ile was
silt,: that the House would go along with him in
fetliog that extraordinary delicacy oo4ht to

touchilig opori any topic connected
with the legal proceedings crowing oft of the
events at Manchester. The Eloise would not
sho much charity to them, (the Manchester
Magistrats) in believing this before a tittle ot
t,att beet' produced against them, as had it
Iteeot heir purpose to no that which had been done,
w,tv 1:c might ask did they not do it on the 9th of
Anvisr, instead of the lilth when the Meeting
solidi took place was avowedly illegal, instead of
waiting till a Meeting was collet! that was not ilk..
gui, hut which might by circumstances become
Rut he would state that- tit,. Manchester
la4istrates had no such intentiOn. It was not till,
trout particular circumstances, the meeting al-
luded to bad become illegal, that they thought of
interferiog with the crowd. The meeting being
ascertained to he of a treasonable natore, it was
their duty to pot an end to it, and he must protest
that would, tinder such ciresitnstances, restrain the
arm of the law trombeiug put forth to prevent; as
well as to suppress disorder, He had thought it
his ditty to state this mach in vindication of the
Magistrates. He would go on to say, that the
meeting being illegal, they would have been cul-
pable had they not dispersed it, after the caption
of Mr. Hunt had been effemed. It was, how.
ever, the wish of the Magiitrates to disperse the
mceting with all possible mildness, and complying.
With allthe pi or isions of the Riot Act . Tie Riot
Act, before any attempt had !teen made to disperse
the crowd, was read out of the window of the room
ju which the Magistrates were assembled. This,
it might be said was not sAieient. • More was
done. A Magistrate went to read it among the
crowd, and that Magistrate was trodden tinder

foot by them.—(Hear, hear, hear.)—But the pre-
cautions taken did not end thete. A third Ma-
gistrate went into tile troll with the Riot Act on
his arm, that every pet son in the held might know
that it bad been read. It no timber precantitins
were taken, it was nor to he too charitable towatds
the. Magistrates to believe that more was not in
their power. The onfortiwatc cecr;s that fol-
lowed were occasion,d, nor by the cruelty of the
sgistratt butt qty the circionstance of the
troops, ar the moment of the canttire,
lently attacked by an armed mob.—(Hear, hear,
bear, and some murmurs.).—lle could of course
-only pledge himself, that that which he had stated
was his own belief. From the evidence given
before the Coroner's Inquest, it was clear that the
transactions in qm.stion did not occupy more than
five minutes, and tbtlt in a (part er of an hour
from the time Hunt made his appearance, the
whole .nosiness was terminated, and the rnecting

,completely dispersed Was i fit that at that too-
mot the inqui.irorial powers of that 11,orse
should be called forth to eocrtire into these twit-
ters, and silt them tc the bottom ? Ele htmlr called
the multitude an armed mob. He was justified
in doing so. They came armed with stones and
ether missiles, and various weapons. The day-
hi fore the meeting tlok pl acs.
.every stone was
picked tip on the place of meeting' that could harm
the. bureau form, and on the day which followed
the 16th, two cart-loads of stones were found on
St. Pettr's-field. He believed no step had been
taken but what the parties believed to be sane-
tiotted by, and nothing done against the crowd
wl:ich was not justified by, the necessity of the
Sucl,-was his opin;,),l, and h,-lieving that
the M:rgistrates trail acted witli the beit possilde
iritentions, he would ask whether, at this mo-
ment, it would become that Himse to enter into
an inpiry, And in doing so, to draw upon
itself the odium of h.tving unnecessarily in-
terfered with the administration of justice.—

The Magistrates, and those wiva were accused, itad
all been ready to go to trial in every case, Who
were the parjes that refuied to hrtng the matter
before a Court of Justice ? They ,ere those %%ho
were supposed to be aggrieved. It did not suit
them to go to trial at once, and they thought pro-
per to let the matter stand over to the next Sluing
Assizes. Several Indictments had, it is true, bet!)
preferred against certain tnemhers of the Yen-
utanry Corps, but the Grand Jury, in the dis-
charge of their duty (and the Grand Juries were
in no part of the country more distinguished tor
respectability than in Lancashire), had found that
the Meeting was illegal, and had I,ltrovin out the
. bills: As far as the charge of murder had been pre-
ferred against the Yeomanry Corps, here was a
D,-gative put on it by one Grand Jury. Bat suppose
the bills had been found !—This would have de-
cided nothing. Outrages and murders even might
have been proved against individuals, and stdl
this would have had nothing to do with the main-

citietioy—nothing to do With the conduct of the
officer 3 and Magistrates of Manchester. Why,

if they believed their cause a good one, had not
bills been preferred against the Officers and Ma-
gistrates ? This was the course pursued in 1768.
.A bill was then found against the Commanding

Officer, though he was afterwards acquitted. The
16;:ht Hon. Gtntlernan had asked, how were poor
aggrieved individuals to gain redress from a body
of Magistrates ?, Why, he would
_answer, that
as they had found out a way to ,try the Yeo-
In.ury, they might have found out with.equal
ease a way to proceed against the Officers and
Magistrates, had they had reason,'or thought they
irad reason for doing so. They would have taken
tit* course he had mentioned, it justice, and not
inflammation and deception, had been their oh.
ject, and have prosecuted the Magistrates and
Officers instead of the Soldiers, as this would not
have Cost them one shilling mute than the course
which they had thought proper to pursue. Ex-
pense, however, could be expected to throw no
obstacle in the way of prosecuting, as the 2,0001.
said to be subsCribed for the purpose, if honestly
applicd, would have been more than sufficient to
meet the expense of all the prosecutions. The
Grand Jury bad been most audaciously maligned
our of doors, for throwing out the bills which bad
been preferred:against the Yeomanry. 'Notwith-
stauding the fate of these hills, the parties wishing
to prosecute might., by a criminal information in
the Court of King's Bench, have been enabled
to bring the whole case as fully before the. Court
on affidavit, as it could have been brought by
u trial for murder. That under such circum-
stances that • House should he called upon to
institute an inquiry while proceedings-were pend-

ine—that without power to adetinister au oath,
they should use their iequisitorial powers to male
persons called before them disclose their cases pre-
vioes to their gone.; into a Court of Justice, was
sr propoiition so monstrous, that it could only he
eniet canted for the purpwie of delusion, to which
he was sorry to see the Right lion. Gentleman
and some of his fliends had lent themselves so
largely.—(Hear, hear, bear !)—He was surprised
that men of sense could act such a part, and lie
wes astonished the high' flunoureble Gentle-
me:), sertounded Lvertied Gentlemeo, sheuld
have advanced Isom rmitmg then) to delliand that
Which tvitS in i selt se monstrous, that had he
not witnessed it, he won't) not have believed
that
,the Right Hon. Gentleman could he so
entrapped iota forgetfolues of his Parliamentary
ditties, or so ready to lend him•elt to those whose
obret teas tension.—(ilear, hear, hear!)—Leery
Mau who lead been removed by violence, and still
more, every man who had sustained injury, might
enter an aesion ti he pleased, which would bring
the whole merits of the case before a Court of
Justice, and yet a Veiliamentary impiry was
thought accessary.--Nothing - could be more in-
jurious to the confilence reposed, in that H•itese
than the course which the Right Hon. Gentle-
menee isbed them to take, unles•, as he had said,
• they were .to :sake upoli themselves to be the
executioners of the Mrgistrates—(Hear, bear !)
He. would noteiall into the trap
.which had been
• laid to ing that ilonse into contempt. On the
pert of Ministers he denied all wish to screen the
Magir rates from justice, and lie was sure, if they
wished to injure them, it was only necessary for
i the Ministers to declare in their favour. Every
t .
one must be sensible that they would not fare the
butter tor having been applauded by Government.
The Megietrates,of the country had been treated
with mote illiberality than had been displayed
in any case that had ever come to his knowledge.
iif the or thmiou of the Government bad been foetid.
ed on false reports or erroneous views, then he
would admit that it would be incumbent on them
to recall the opinion which they had given. When
Lord Fit zwilliam went to the meeting at York,
on the principles on which office is held, be must
have been understood as 'tendering his resigota-
tion.—(Heer, hear, hear 1)—It was out required
.thet the persons connected with the Admiuistra-
then should agree in all political opinions ; but,
in a case of mere police, to attribute sanguinity
intentions to the Government, was to dissolve all
bonds of mutual cottfidenee and union ; and it
could not be expected that Ministers should have
:Itimmitted and acquiesced in the charge lay remain-
ing inactive on the subject. No conduct could beless
calculated for the peace of t hecountry, the integrity
' of t lieConstitution,and the good of t he people,than
that of Lord Fitzwilliam on that occasion. All
the circumstances atteediog time meeting were cal-
culated to lay the laws and the Constitution of
the country at the feet of that seditious body.—
(I,ond anti repeated cheers.)--He desired to
• know whether those persons who had called the
meeting bad not prepared measures in concert
with the Radicals, with a view to impugn the
Alanchester Magistrates, instead of accepting time
offers of a respectable party, who expressed them-
selves ready to join io a call for enquiry on these
two conditions : that time Meeting should recog.
; wee the real state of time country, and should
acknowledge anti declare its loyalty, and the tie-
crssity of supporting the State.—(clear, hear!)—
But this afforded another tnelanceoly proof bow
r eat uteri were injured by associating with bad
compaity. They had proposed a coalition with
the Radicals, and rejected the conditions propos-
ed by a most respectable body ! The result of a
meeting of twenty thousand people in arms was to
e Lord Vif zwilliem in the extraordinary situ-
ation of a Yotkshire Reformer !—(Hear, hear.)—
Nay, he had closed the proceedings of that
Meetioe by a vote of thanks to the high Sheriff
for braving called it in the manlier describes!
I Never lied the King's Commission of Lord
Lieutenant been so much disgraced in the eyes of
. the country--(Hear, hear !)—then when Lord
haul appeared with IVooler by his
side, returning thanks for heving been allowed to
join the Radicals in their views towards Govern-
ment. It was the deepest degradation to the King's
Commission for its holder to have been placed at
a meeting where no one, not even the Honour-
able Member, for the County, had any chance of
obt a i shag an hearing, except through the inter-
ference of the Radicals. He would not disguise
that when Lord Fitzwilliam disclosed such opi-
nions, he destroyed all confidence between hint
aed the Government. He (Lord Castlereagh)
asked the House, whether by speeches which
could be turned to such purposes, the authors
of the Yorkshire Meeting had not placed
themselves in the hands of the Radicals ?
He believed the large body of the people to be
loyal, and only to require the fostering hand of
Parliament to restore its natural dispositions to
good order and peace. But he could not conceal
that a deliberate conspiracy was carried on by nu-
merous agents ; and that unless Parliament- should.
meet the case.with time vigour which it required, it
ten:ll(l'lre impossible to say that the whole might
not end in a scene of plunder, rapine, and blood,
similar to those which bad taken place in neigh-
bouring countries. He trusted, however, that
with the aid of Parliament, the laws Would tri-
uruph,at no long distance of time ; loyalty would
revive in all its force, and the British Constitu-
tion would remain a monument of glory and of
wisdom, shedding its blessiegs to the remotest
posterity.—(Repeated cheers.)
Mr. BOOTLE WILBRAHAM said, that as one of
time Grand Jurors who ignored the bills presented
against the Manchester Yeomen, he might be al-
lowed to say a word. He hoped it would appear,
that so far from having acted improperly, they
had only done their duty. It WAS clear that the
meeting at Manchester was attended by persons
for the purpose (if plunder.
Lord Mur-oft entered into an explanation with
regard to time arrangements of the Yorkshire Meet-
ing, and endeavoured to justify the motives which
induced him to separate himself front the party to
which Mr. S. IVortley and several Gentlemen in
the_same county attached themselves. The Noble
Lord supported the amendment.
Mr. S. IVORTLEY admitted, that be bad been
willing to accede to an inquiry into the. transac-
tions at Manchester. Lie made some further re-

marks in justification of the part he took at
York. He again admitted the necessity of en•
quiry, bin not at the bar of that House. He
thought it should be entirely confined to the pro-
per Courts. He thought examinations entered
into at the bar of that House were calculated ►o
injure its character. lie then adverted to the late
affair at Coventry, and thought that the present
subject could be disposed of in the same way as
that had been. After some further observations,
he concluded by giving his support to the original
Address.

Sir JAMES MACKINTOSH ITTg(IC rs long 810 elo-
quent speech, in the coruse of whit it he contend-
ed that the circumstances at Manchester, and the
feelings of the country, as well as the sense of
honour dtie to the Constitution, demanded a Par-
liamentary inquiry. He condemned in strong
terms the condnet of Ministers, and reprobated
the dismissal of Lord Fitztvilliat»,as in the highest
degree unwise, impolitic, and indecent.

Mr PLUNKETT said it was difficult for him to
bring an impartial judgment to any case where-
in an individual, whom he so highly vene-
rated as be did Earl Fitzwilliam, was a party,
but he would take it upon him to say, that
when Government • had taken from him the
,official rank which he held, they certainly' did
not intend to convey to him a mark of per-
sonal disrespect. He said lie thought the House
might fairly complain of, the manner in which
the present question had been brought by the
Honourable' Gentleman who put forward the
amendment. They were told ham the Throne,
that treasonable conspiracies were on foot, and
yet his friends had argued the question as if
that information had pointed at bona fidelle,
formers,-,-for those who had none but Consti-
tutional views, and who wished, however mistaken
their means might be to amend the Constitution, he
had no feelings of hostility, such men ought to
be met with reasoning when wrong, and con-
cession when right. But there was a party in
the Stare which had very different views from
those of reforming this constitution, or of esta-
blishing any other. Anarchy and plunder were
their object, and not to change one regular go-
vernment for another. Meetings, he said bad
been convened for doing that which, if it had been
carried into effect, would have been high treason,
and the mountebank :who conducted them had
assisted at the orgies of the'criminal just convict-
ed of blasphemy. Thus, he said, the connexion
between treason and blasphemy was shown. He
had not the slightest doubt in his own mind, but
that the meeting at Manchester was illegal. He
concluded by giving his hearty concurrence to the
Address.—(Much cheering !)
Mr. SCARLaTT supported the Amendment.
The ATTORNEY-GBNEiRAL proved the illegality
of the meeting at Manchester, and that the civil
power not being able to execute the warrants, the
Magistrates were perfectly justified in calling in
the armed force.

Sir \V, Da CRESPIGNY expressed a hope, that
the House would adjourn the Debate ; and moved
accordingly, that further debate on this question
be adjourned to this day.
Sir It. WILSON seconded the Motion ; and Mr.
M.:l. TAyLoa supported it.
Lord CASTLEREAGH said, there was no prece-
dent for adjournment of the House, without coin-
ing to a determination upon an Address.—They
divided on the question—

• Ayes 65
Noes
Against adjourning -388.
Upon strangers being re-admitted to the Gal-
lery, Mr. WILBBIIFOI4CII was nn his legs, defend-
ing the conduct of tile 'Manchester Magistracy,
and deprecating, with much feeling, the progiess
of irreligion. It was a misnomer, he contended,
to maintain that they were attacking opinion,
. Mr. Hums rose again to move an adjournment
of the House ; upon which strangers were or-
dered to withdraw ; but although much discus-
sion followed amongst the Members, no second
division was come to.

Messrs. Tierney, Hume, W. Smith, Bennet,,
and others, bore part in this discussion.
At length, at Half-past Three o'Clock, the
House adjourned.

vents. We trust that the support which Minister/
received last night, will col,fii-in them in a regoiuts
adoption of those measures of safety which 11)•
existence of the Monarchy ah,olute'y dent4l"l6
As The Morning Chronicle is the Leading ?lie! °i
the Parties hostile to Government, now aiding the
Degenerate Whigs and the Subverting Radical" w:
deem it our duty to extract the folloWing passBge
from that Paper of to-day, on which we shall odor
no comment, as it will sufficiently pot thc
Public on its guard, and skew what degree
.of justice, truth, and candour, may be el'
pected from that Journal in canvassing those
measures which Government, and the reflect'
ing men of all Parties may deem necessary t°
preserve the very existence of our present Lathv
blishment in Church and State.
" The Speech from the Throne, as was anticipated, 01
enough to prepare us for measures of the most alarming riV
ture. By inviting the two Houses to take such steps as Insll
lead to the suppression of the practices which his -ILois
Highness is made to deplore (namely, we presume, thc
Public Meetings for the complaint of grievances, and Pell'
tions for redress), the ground is laid for acts of restricti°ol
irreconcileable with" the ancient rights of the People/ s
more likely to drive them to despair than to restore 061°

reason."

.—..„—.
New York Papers arrived this morning t°tho
20th ult.

(From as Paper of Me 2d ult.)
1
. FllifitV4heatatii, MAI Ikl.—By the IWO'S. fl
•;flt-- •
this port of briettipnomene, in 18 days froo
Curacoa, we letirthkipt BOLIVAR was within 3f
4 (lays march of Clirracas, and that many of tb°
inhabitants were rallying under his standard.'/114
also learn that the lsl.nd of Margaretta was bloci;
aded by a Spanish squadron of 10 sail, 111°S1'
'small vessels.

CAPTURE OF SANTA Fs.--His Britannic g;
jesty's brig Beaver, from Carthagena, arrived g
Boston on the Ist September ; by her official ie.
formation wag received of the capture of the
above Capital.
g
The Baltimore Board of Health reports 3 de°
in 24 hours, ending ou .Friday morning.
IMPORTANT.—A Gentleman, immediately (
00e
New Orleans, states that, previous to his lea
that City, the Agent of a Company of Swio
the
chants arrived there from Europe, bearing v
Official Transfer from the Spanish Monarch of the
whole Province of Texas to his employers.
tbrs
Swiss purchasers are required to settle i°
country immediately, to acknowledge He'll so
his Catholic Majesty, but to be in every other f
sheet at liberty to form their own governing°ro
laws, &c.

The Paris Papers of Sunday last, which Or'
due this morning, have not arrived.

Aso,
The Radical Meeting in Smithfield this
was, like the former, very thinly attended•
nef.
tween 12 and 1 o'clock not more than 200 ri
out
sons, entirely of the lowest orders, were assell3

and no Orator had then arrived.
014
Between one and two about 1000 persons
collected, and Watson was left addressing t'h
e
mounted on a sheep pen.
yorl6
We find that the ship Hercules, fronaNew
which arrived at Liverpool on Sunday, has br°ll'lo
hack WILLIAM COBBETT. We should n°l 1111
nor-
thought, it necessary to notice more than the t tb f
fact of his arrival, it we did not think the 110
'
ominous return of that man strongly indicates
a l°
conviction that a RETOLUTION is near " se
evitahle, and we trust that the ATTortst,T'Lls. e
optic
,RAL wifl zealously watch, and .
resolutely °- •
11011
whatever may issue front his pen tending t°
lead the People and undermine the Governole"
morning
COURT OF KING'S BENCH—This morn--1-1ofi
MARRYATT moved that Mrs. Carlile be cal;egoitb
to plead to an indictment, charging be,r,
tiubiishing a saitions libel, designated, 00
Lock Trial of Richard Carlile ;" 1)10 shed igES
allowed during the day to consider of its
, the Court.
His Royal Highness the Duke of I°ll-000
nomed the Earl and Countess of 131.0s!1''Irper°
with Lis company at Dinner on Monday•
were present the Marquess of LstisnowsPYgr,
EDWARD BAKER, Sir HENRY TORlOUq9'ifill
DRUMMOND BURRELL, Cal. COOKE, Mr' q
1
Mr. PowELL, &C. 0
0
vntea -
The Corporation of Rochester, have hoesci
freedom of their ancient City to his Royal
the Duke of CLARENCE, Earl DAntl"nico
CLIFTON, the Hon. Mr. BLIGH, Sir JO"'
and Sir ROBERT BARLOW.

Fro thi LONDON GAZETTE of JOI

BANKRUPTS.
William-Nedby, Lamb's Conduit-street, ppholsterer.
William Suffield, Birmingham, printer.
Richard Merry, Birmingham, grocer.
Francis Reed, Bristol, butcher.
James Nuttall, Manchester, bookseller. ub Whir.
William Tabraw, Fendrayton, Cambridgeshire,
~ii
James Hartley, Manchester, warehouseman.
Samuel Perkins, Milford, Somerset, dealer. _ter, Or'
Samuel Davenport and Robert Fayle,
vers to calico-printers. grocer' ,
Thomas Thompson, Lancaster, immong,er end
. „..rier
William Peagam, jun. Plymouth, tailor. ,„,,i Ana b'
William Cronin, Snows-fields, BermondseP c"-
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provision dealer.
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