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'Lord'T It utiow Vas intrecliste: bet\ve.en'tdri'Siriira
t nd Lord Walsingham, and took the oaths and his
seat: The Noble Lord was preceded by thelerl
Marshal and Garter,King at Arms. ..
HIS MAIESTV's _INDISPOSITION.
Shortly.atter five o'clock; the attendance being re-
-ernaric, D) .lull,
The Earl et CAMDEN (as President of the Coma-
-cil) was proceeding to lay the Report of the
Council,-.teSpetting the exartiluation of the Royal
Physicians,- touching the indisposition of his Majes-
ty‘; When it was observed by one or two of their
Lordships across the table, that 81.1C11 a proceeding
could not regul irlyeunder the 'present circumstances,
take piece Without. the • order of the House. Atter
a few words between Lord Grenville and the Noble
Earl, as to the roitit of order, a motion to that ef-
fect was made, and the Report ordered to be laid on
the table accerlingly. •
It was then' ordered to be read, on the motion of
the Eall of LiVERPtiOL, which was accordingly done
by ;the Reading Clerk.—(Vide our Report of the pro-
ceedings of the House of Commens.)
The Clerk having finished the reading of the Re-
port,
The Earl of Livseroot. called ,the serious al:
tention of their Lordships to the most iiripoi taut do-
cument Which had been jest read. On the face of
the eXamination,. he -observed, three material facts
were evtdent, each of which he had to press to the
consideration of the House. The first was, that
the Sovereign was, in his present state, incapable. of
meeting his Parliament, or of exercising the Royal
functions in theetraesaction of public business.—
The second was, that the Most confident and tv&L-
grounded hopes were eutertained of his Majes-
ty's reeot ety and restortioti to his former state of
health. The third point, espected t rte time in which
.it was probable such recovery would take place. On
this head, no specific tirne.or period was held out e
but it.Was•certain that a ceresiderab;e amend:nem
bad taken place. It would be for the delermilia-
eion. of their Lordships what course, under the
circumstances of the_ ease, would be most tit- •
title and proper to puree. He agreed with a
Noble Baron. in. what stated un a former
night, that -the present queStion swat be regarded.
only as a choice between difficulties. No man could'
be more seosible thin himself ofJfie iticoeve-
itiences resulting from a "suspension of the persounT
exercise of the royal authority. From the evi-'
dente before them, they bads every reason to Con-
clude that such aneestablishment, were it resolved
on to be necessary, would 'be but of temporary.
duration; and their Lotdilitps must all feel the
inconveniencie,:w filch must unavoidably result from
such a proceeding. In 'wis view of the case; their
Lordships should, throughout the whole of their pro-.
ceedings, pear in wind the principle -that goveroed.
the precedent of 1788 and 1789. There may exist;
he admittedircumstances, which tended to vary the
state of things since that period, and liray render 3
differ._•ut app;icat on of th.it „pi-wort:lu advisable
but the principle itself whicu, governed their pro-
ceedings should be the same. lu the case which oc-
- Cured in 1788, similar proceedings to the present
were adopted. The examinations before the Privy
Corenc:l were then, as
_now, laid upon the table.
—An adjournment of four ..days was then pass-
ed for the -purpose of considering ulterior -pro-
eeedince -The next step adupeed was, the ex-
.of his Majesty's Physicians by Com-
mittees of both Houses of Parliament. With
respect to this mode of proceeding, boas ever,
as -applicable to the present case, he thought
some material differences existed between the
-the present, and the occasion of 1788, which, in
his judgment, rendered it advisable to inietpose a
farther delay than that of fonr days.' In the
former case, the indisposition of his,Mak'sty had
contymed considerably longer than in the present
instance. In the second place,_ though at. that.
period, . strong hopes were entertained of ulti-
tnate recovery, yet it did not then appear that any
amendment had-actually taken place at the time,
and, as far as the evidence then' went,' this
was apparent. The Report of the evidence this
day decidedly stated the opinion of all the Physicians
to be, that a considerable amendment had actually
taken place. A third consideration wasohat at the
former period they had nut the -advantage of judg-
ing what would be the termination of his Ma-
jesty's indisposition, by any analogy from what
took place on a previous occasion, and which ad-'
vantage, in point. of experience, the Physicians .
have on the present occasion. Upon the con-
sideration'of all these circumstances, he felt it would
be desirable to move an adjournment for a. longer
period than was proposed in the case of 178-8. This
he deemed it his duty to propose the House to do
.et present, with an understareding, that if at the ex-,
piration of the interval he should now propose,
. there should not be such a favourable change as to
induce the hope of a speedy restoration of the per-
- foul exercise of the Royal functions, he should
deem it his further duty to move for an examination
of the Royal Physicians, as adopted in thecase of
.1788. This he trusted would, upon a due consider.
atioe of all the circumstances of the case, iegiird it
as their truest public duty to concur in. He would
therefore beg leave to move, " That thks House do,
at its rising, adjourn to Thursday, the 12th day of
H camber."
On the question being put-
- Earl SPENCER rose, and at some length delivered
hid sentiments on the question before their Lordships.
After briefly touching- upon the proceedings which
were hitherto adopted, he expressed his opinion that
the House was now arrived at that point at which no
further steps should be taken, unless the necessity- ot
-.Such proceedings were in lull proof before them; that
was not thecase, he contended, at present, the Houses
of Parliament could not act, though he did not pro•
fess to be profoundly read in the Coneitution, with-
out the concurrent authority of thet well. What-
ever unavoidable steps they should take must be
called for by the absolute necessity of the case. He
then took a detailed view of the precedent of 1788,
and argued that an unnecessary and unwholesome
deviation from that precedent had taken place.—
They had not sufficient evidence before them to war-
-rant the proceeding urged by' the Noble Earl, and
s rongly oid he feel on this point, that he should
titter his solemn protest against it. He deemed it
114) bounden duty of the Home to take the only

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'ftlathoti'tville.hid-ni*ifted, and ti4t Was ro.iscertain,
by the beat :possible evidence the 'case would •
admit of, 'the 'degree of Iseaessity. tl At ,
existed for the It:rater peceeeding's'bf 1-'13,-irliaiiienr,
without Ithe 'cblicurrente of the. Royal AOttitolity.
The adOpted•in ;1788, should be the pre-
sent rule of theiir-Conduct, and an .e-xamititliion .of
the:Royal ,Pitysielans as to the Malady With whit h.
the Sovereign was agitated, should take place with
ashttle farther delay as possible. _ln thepresent.state
.the case, they were imperiously called upon as::
soon as possible tocoesicier-Of the te.st ,thearts. to re-
medy the defect 'in the,totenitutional system whiCh
now unhappily existed: this it was their hrituden
duty to do ; they -should consider the present state
and circumstances of the -Empire) and the great dan-
ger which more .than 'probably nrtzst 'attend its•go-
vertitnent ot neitig lotigerdeitried of ace:institutional .
head ; they should not delay a moirreirt. in :pi-di:ced-
ing to remedy the deka, atniiinder thisConViCtion,
he mast oppuse the Noble Lard's thot:on. - Hr
should theivior,.. move, in .the way of amemcliiient
to the -motion) 46 that • a -Seiedt *(,;otfirtri'ttee be ap-
poitite&to examitie the Physicians attending 'Co hiS
Nlajesty, _respecting les M-ijesy's sate of health,
and to report the said ex.inititat ton to•the fi6uSe."
After a shot pause) ,on the petting of the que-
tion'on the ainendin-M4
Theliael-ot MotHA rose:: befell 'himself, he said,
imperiously called upon to offer a few observations
to their Lordships on the pres-,ot occasion. At 'the
period of the lost adjodreinent, he supported that
motion .% iih the most heartfelt satisfaction; the pre-
sent motion fora further adjournment, an i fol- such
an interval, he could not possibly; consistent with
his sense of public duty,,cutiCer in With reference
even to the feelings aud wishes' of the Sovereign
himself he thought till hoot de,
by .-proceed .to ceusidex of the best means of
supplying the defect in the gicat constineke,o
defect. N6' luau in that tlOuse though of
ot any measure which would tend; as -the Nu '.•fe'
Secretary seemed-. to undgine, to reducing the real
power of the Sovereign , it wit, th,:it wish as it
was their duty, to take care that tee- Monarchy of
the country 'should be kept alive and in full vigour;
their personal duty to the--Sovereign would incul-
cate this, and they should all take care that his Ma-
' jesl should feekthat the rouleettloes of to, throne
m.o.', not sapped, either with respect to himself or
any.Of_his lloost.lfamil.y. In every view of the case,
he felt it itis:duty opps se. theinOtioe of the Noble
'l4arl-oeposite.
The Earrof ftAitl!OWBY followed; and argued at.
some lengthen support, of the measures adopted by
iMoristersoli the presertt occasiOn. He contended
:there ysas no de'V-taiien from 'the principle of the
precedent of 1788, and no farther cle6ation from
its' line of preceeding than what was warionted, or
even called for by cirouthstances. There Wass consi;-
derabledifterence ut the present state of his Majesty's
health and prospect of speedy amendment, and what
existed at the dame state of the proceeding in the
case of 1788. In the present instance its state was
far wore taVOUTat*.. Besides, the physicians; ip
the former instance, bad no other ground for'their
opinions than their osa n, general experience in, dis-
orders of the kind; bat here they hod the advantage
of judging comparatively with respect to the symp-
toms of his Majesty's former disorder. The com-
parison was every way in favour of the pre=sent
Occasion. The same grounds precisely. existed
fur the adjournment- at present which did exist
a fortnight since Did the pritreple contehde.i
for by the Noble Lords preponderate in 1788 ?
Instead of the adjournment of four days, not a mo-
ment would have been lost: The Noble Lords

'seemed to :onk only at one side of the question—Abe
responsibility of Ministers should be also considered,
the Country
,could be, in no way endangered by the
line of. proceeding now proposed. They ha .1 an
equal eye t, the pitblic safety, and wh:ch could not
be better shewn than in their anxiety to obviate auy
measure that might tend in any degtee to circotu-
scribe the constitutional powers of a Mona►eb,

whose reign Providence had prolonged to the coon.
try, almost beyond any lor-mer precedent. He
must set his faeo against any measure .which may
tend to set aside the—
Lord GRENVILLE here rose to speak to‘order.-;

The Noble Earl had no right to use such language,
nor assume such inference, it Was-Impossible that any

Noble Lord in that House could propoie a measure
tending to set aside the' legitimate Sovereign of the
country. Under such an assumption, on the part of
any Noble Lord, be could not sit sitent. Did he
live to bear such words used in that House, as that
any design was entertained to set aside their lawful
Monarch ! _ _ _

The; Earl of HARROWBY explained that the Noble
Baron did not seem to understand his meaning;
but he 'could not avoid asking was not such a mea-
sure as the Noble lLords appeared to contemplate
tantamount to setting, for a time, the Sovereign
aside—(4 loud cry front the Opposition side of
" No, no, non The Noble Earl_ continued his liar
of argument, when
Lord HOLLAND rose, and said, he could not
silently hear such assumptions. The Noble Earl
had no right to_impute to those Peers who opposed
the question of adjournment a design to set aside the
Sovereign from his throne ! For in no other sense
could he understand him. Did the Noble Lord per-
sist in
,such an imputation, he would move , to
have Isis words taken down.
The Earl of HARROWBY resumed, and observed
the Noble Lord seemed to wish to visit
,the sins
.of
others upon his head ; but he could not regard it
as perfectly fair to take such a held of language
which fell from him while giving vent to his led-
. ings. In concluding, he observed, that the steps
adopted in this crisis seemed to him the beat calcu-
lated to save the country, and preserve- its constitu-
tion inviolate.
The Marquis of ABERCORN stremiously main-
' tabled the doctrines laid down by Earl Harrowby.
There was nothing in them to justity the charge of
improper or unconstitutional ; there was nothing in
them but what might be considered as merely ver-
bal, and it could not be denied that the Sovereign was
put aside as long as the Regent exeicfsed the Royal
Authority.
• Lord HOLLAND contended, on the other hand,
that if sucban use was to be wade of-the King's
name in the debates of that House, there would be

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