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be wished to suggest the prorriety, in order to pie-
s:Tve unanimity in its proceedings, that the word
opinion' shoal ! be left out, and in its stead, tc,/ in-
troduce" that the Committee:should-report the re..
suit of, theiringuiries, with such observatits' as
to them might seem fit." He was induced to this,
because, as celerity was necessary, the report Might
ba earlier made.- .
The CHANCRI:Lbit of the EXcHEQUER was dis-
posed to give the subject the most di Tass4.inate
consideration, tut the alteration proposed by his.
.earned Friend had • so little difference in i: from-the
.word proposed to he- kit out; that he hardly knew
,why his 'Learned Friend-to preserve* unaqimityshould
`think it necessary to propoSe its SOSstit in ion. Gentle-
,lnett opposite-seemed to have talked themselves into
,these calth and dispassionate considerations, as they
,termed them,for hardly was an emendmeht proposed,
wwhe,n up starts another Gentlemsan; and proposes ,a
-third. If wan disposed to accede to the first,
:might be charged, not only with ignorance of.-tle
,course to adopt; biit might be liable to be accused
:of vacillation, and amendments might. come, .one
,after the. other, until the contest -would ,be conti-
_plied. without end. He hoped the House-.would
:excuse him, and forgave him when he said that he
,lament4d the spirit
,wiih which •the discuss:on of
„this question had bf,•en,carriecl on. It was a ques-
, lion en which he Might have expelled that_ at least
be should have had neutrals to deal with, but the
Gentlemen on the opposite Side of the,House thought
the opportunity too tempting to pass by ; and there-
fore they judged it a proper one to eiercise t hat re-
'riling spirit which they so well know how to exer-,
vise. Attuated,,no doubt, by that wish for unani- •
talky which his Learned Friend (Mr. Adam) had so
earnestly recommended, he had no hesitation in. be-
lieving that all were unanimous in adesire to.pre-
serve their privileges, and yet it would seem;-, from
those Gentlemen, that they thought nut. He must
assure the House that he had no wish to turn the
question to way, advantage,
,Whafever vic v others
flight entertain; he bad prepared the names for the
Committee, which he thou,..ht would be acceptable
to ,both sidei. The /light. Hon. Gentleinaii ften
•noticed,• the attack of the Hon. _Gentleman (Mr.
Whitbread) which he observed ‘,..s a groundless
one, for it might' with equal pr prety be.applicd
to his (Mr. W.'s) friends. Wj,, had the. Right
lion. Gentle-1
-mm- (Mr. Ponsonhy) complained that
lie (Mr. P.) could not give the House advice how ,
to proceed-in tlys business. The want of advice froai
that Right Hon. Gent. to wlioni the. Gentlemen on
ills side looked up to as their leader, • was a charge.
'which he was liable to. He was equally bound to
give his advice and assistance in a matter which affect-
ethbe House in cotlinion. To be sure, he was reedy
to admit, that the Right Hon. Gentleman and his •
friends might be taken by surprise. On a former •
tight they had not condescended to illuminate.the
darkness .whjch spread around with one ray fr,tu
theii enlightened minds. Nay, even on. this evening
(Hood aloof and did-not venture to prescribe the
to be pursued.. The Gentleman opposite seemed to
think, tharir, cases where there was no danger to the
privileges, and ‘4 hen resistance Might De expected
to- thesen,ence of the House, then it was not proper
to maintain them. Toe Right Hon. Gaitletnati re--
ferred „to
.the case in 177 t, in which g COmmittee
had been appointed, who w, ere delegated with powers
to examine into facts and circumstances- att-ndiog
that case (Mr. aiver's), and to report their opinions
to the House. He hoped that the House would find
no difficulty in the present CaSe in concurring with
the Committee (if adopted). ,
Mr. G. PONSONBY thought the Right Hon. Gen-
tleman had lost his. t .toper vt hen be attacked' his
_side of the With respect to his (Mr. P.'s)
giving advice, he .tartto observe that-wbeo h.-"had on
former occasions presumed so to do, his advice had
been rejected. It would ::91. be decent for him again
to obtrude, beside', we were told try the highest au-
ttiority, that if the blind lead the blind, both- might •
fall into a ditch."—He titerefore must be excused
front coming forward. -When the Right Honourable
Gentleman blamed. him
,and his friends for ohjeei-
ing to the -committal of Sir Francis Burdett on ac.
count of fear, he did not think they were justified
lii that i•opotalion. He did not believe there was
more pusiilanunity on his side of the House than
Oil the other. With respect to giving his opinions,
what reason could he have to suppose that the
Alijority of the House should follow Clem. When
the proper time carne he should offer them, but he
Would not be taunted into giving them.
Mr. WIIITBISEAD made a few aberrations in ex-
planation. • ,

Mr. W.WyNNE, in reference to the.case 61177 i,
thought it a mo,t contemptible report, which he
said was pto.luced *by a weak administration for
their own pa Ocular purpose.
The House then divided on the amendment—

Ayes
Noes

58
itcs
• 57

Majority against it -
Another division immediately took place on the
original
motion

Far the original Motion
Against it -

- n 6
• •• 16 e. 45

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Majority - w - -
7o
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On our re-admission into the Gallery, we found
that the Speaker had just finished reading the names
of the Members of the ComMittee.
On the motion, " that the Committee do meet to-morrow
?Naming at nine o'clock at the Speaker's Chambers,"
Mr. JEKYLL made a rew observations on the im-
portance of the subjett—a subjea which he had
' boped would never have been brought before that
house for 'discussion. iTtnler the circumstances in
Which the Speaker found himself, he bad felt it his
bounden duty to throw isim-elt upon the 11.y1se for
advice he had asked that advice, and he (Mr. .1.)
prayed God to grant'that the advice whizh the House
would give might be saluilry. Tuey wt re involved
In a dilemma of the most unfavourable nature. It
was imposSible for 'them to re-tread their steps, and
it became therefore more necessary that they should
• be•cautioug with respect to their mode of advance.
The House, after tw-ollivisions, had determined on
the. appointment of a Committee to consider the
, • 4atts, and to repot to the House their opinion.--.-
Those who sat on his side of the House were ad-
verse to any requisition to the Committee to furnish:
an opinion ; • but yetthe Right Hop. Gentleman had
several 01 those so adverse, as Members
43,1' the Committee.. Some who Were present bad
t)\, cletiitl6:l taking a part in it—but otbtrs who wire
etdehtally abient' remained upon tho' list. 14e