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titnber . uit ual to the Baltic timber, is not well founded; it may had been taken off t4e foreign, produce, we should not have had the immense
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wi e 1 , And might be brought by a little better manufacture to hold Upon e Par quahtity of inferior tiinbet pbtired ill Upon ug from the North of America ; and
bt l'Corway or Swedish timber; but certainly not with either Memel Riga, or perhaps the thing would have required eery little adjitstmetit,
(Mit tii the ekeessiVe
antzic. I refer to the American red pine : with respect to the yellow pine from advantage the colonies possessed in the total exemption from duties, and in peace
the colonies, it certainly will net bear competition with any of the timber we get freights, they have poured in quantities of goods so much beyond the real demand
from the north of Europe, and as long as it is brought in, in any quantities of im- as to have overset the market altogether.
I'rtatice, it must be sold at a comparatively less price. . You are of opinion that 13s. Bd. the amount of the temporary duty either taken off After such a reduction of duties, to the extent of 30s• had taken place, would the Baltic timber, or imposed upon the American timber, would be rather beneficial
and
not still remain a very considerable difference in the &hies between the one than otherwise to the trade? I consider decidedly so, that it would be a very
tt,l:e other ? Certainly, there would remain a difference of 355. a load. great advantage to the trade.
tire-ukryou conceive the 355. a load it but a sufficient protection to the American Supposing that was increased to 20S. What
.effect Would it then produce? If it
tier,re f I certainly do not Om:Mader it a, sufficient protecting duty, looking at the *ere increased to WS& I cOneeiie the intortatitth Of pine to titis market, partied-
ue ence in the qualities of the wood brought in. indeed the inferior pine froth America, would be reduced to a iier sniall compass
i
You found
you give any sufficient grounds to the hotthnittee, for the reasons on which
4 Aound your opinion, as to the inferiority, from want of durability or other causes, Stipposihg it was 15s? I think ft might bear 15s. Without any other than a
had theof American yellow pine ? It appears to tae, from ahe experience that I haVe ivholesothe redtiction of time qoantity, of that deacriPtion of tsinber which comes in.
!W.that timber particularly, that it is not ah article Which *ill stand in compe- To what extent do you think the imposition of a dink df 20S. or the adjustment
on
of the eXistift
with the timber from the north of Eiia.&, in point of durability or strength, of a duty between the Baltic and the American, making a difference gto any respect ; there is a total abseifee of turpentine, or any thing like a resisting duties to that amount, would affect the import to this country from America? I
quality in it, to prevent the wet or damp, or other causes, from rotting it ;it is soft do not think that 20s. a load would considerably affect the importation to the western
lagand porous; there is no strength of fibre; nothing in fact, to make it fit for bear- ports ; to London and the northern ports I conceive it would cut off two-thirds of
a heavy weight, or for durability for a number of years ; for some . particular the importatien; that observation would apply more particularly to the yellow pine ;
vsnu.srrst's ; 'for light work, any thing of moulding or pieture-frames, or piano-forte- Ido not think it would go to that extent in the red pine timber.
",!ng, it is valuab'e beyond any other wood, from the absence of that strength Explain the difference you have. stated, ivith referehce to the different ports ?
which is essential for other purposes. [Atnericari] I consider the difference afreiolit between London and Liverpool and the western
`ghatextent of ae.
mut), do you Conceive might be levied Oct Bettie timber, so at parts generally about ss. a load against the northern ports of the island, and of
to give the Americans still the advantage oft his market for the reel pine? I think ss. a'load in favour of a Voyage front the colonies to the western ports, making.
.in that, way it might bear a duty of twenty shillings per load; but perhaps lam a total of difference as between the western and the northern ports of 10s. m
'Peouslng rather hastily on that subject. favour of the colonies, against the north of Europe.
Is there a large stock of American timber now on hand? Yes, there is a very In point of fact, can you state to the committee what the current freights were
considerable stock.
during the last year, from the lower ports of the Baltic to London ? The freight
What proportion do you conceive the stock bears to the importation of last from Alemel, generally, was from 20s. to a guinea, to London.
year ? I have a general idea of what our stock is, and what the importation was 'Do you know what was the current freight from Memel and Dantzic to Liver-
the last year; I consider, from some little attention I have paid to it lately, that pool, during the same period 7-I do not.
our stock of American timber is about thirty thousand loads. ' Btate what was the current freight of timber during the last year, from the lower
~opn(tim you know what the importation was? The importation into the port of ports of the North American colonies, that is, New Brunswick and Nova Scotia,
guess.
-t• on about fifty thousand loads of timber; it must be of Course a Very rough to London? From two guineas to 455.
.; the proportion of the red to yellOW pirie which has been imported canCnaont.
onto you .1. u know you state what was the freight from those ports to Liverpool? No,l
propo'rt;s_ port ? I should guess something like one-sixth ; that the red bore the Then, on what facts do you found your opinion, that such a difference as you
if an or about one-sixth to the yellow: have stated, exists ? Upon a general knowledge that a voyage from Memel to
place
ill alteration, to the exwilt of fifteen shillings ty shillings, were to take London or a voyage from Memel to Liverpool or the western ports, is generally
present the relative duties upon Baltic and lean Arne timber from what exists at considered about one-fourth as much more.
take i' what, in your opinion, ought to be the alteration of duties which should According to the mode in which the duties on deals are at present levied, is it
ArnelPi lee„tipou Norway timber to Wog it upon a similar competition with the not much more advantageous to the importer to bring in deals of large lengths than
that can umber ? I really am hot aware that any thing particular is required, in short lengths, and how, in your opinion, ought the duties on deals to be regulated
same
, ; that the Norway timber and the red 'pine would sell at nearly the so as to equalize that different e? It certainly is the interest of the merchant to
the th.hva'uei and AS Norway is nearer to us than the other ports in the Baltic, and bring his deals in of the largest possible dimensions, and from the Baltic anti from
that anger might be brought here at a less price on that account, lam not aware the White Sea they are enabled to send deals which bear proportionably a much less
eertai thing
is necessary to give them a particular advantage in that respect; it is duty than from Norway and Sweden ; but as that advantage is counteracted, in a
wit, T 1 that the Norway timber, from the smallness of its growth, cannot compete great measure, by the lengths of the voyage, lam not aware that the duties press
1,_:: that from the Baltic, and th• refore does not _stand on a fair footing, but per- so unequally upon any country as to require much of alteration in that respect.
"do,'
.with time red pine it would if the duties were equalized. Can you state what proportion of the ships that are employed in the timber trade
N,0.7 nen you speak of the fair competition of the two different kinds of timber, do with the north of Europe make one voyage, two voyages, or three voyages in the
country; Mean that the American 'timber should enjoy the same consumption in this season ? To Archangel or the White Sea of course one voyage only can be made;
intyntrY; that it does at present? Certainly not it appears to me, that it is forced to Petersburg sometimes two ; to Memel, Riga or Dantzic, three voyages; it is a
hri iseritninately into uses for which it is by no means fit, that the lowness of the rare instance to make four; from Norway I have known a ship make six, but four
ic,..e..es,induces the consumer in many instances to use it without his principal being voyages is the outside that they can in general make.
a g'i;u7a,autt Vauwtiitthylt ; and that we shall find in the building of a great many houses, Can you at all, by any conjecture, state what proportion of the import takes
of timber that will rot and require to be replaced. place in those that make one, in those that make two, and in those that make three
di% flat reduction do you contemplate in the consumption of American timber, at a voyages ? As the trade is at present regulated, the bulk of the importations cer-
that that
of price between the two kinds of timber of 455. ? I take it for granted, tainly comes from Norway, Sweden, and Memel ; the other at present is but small,
tit)._ the American timber is now used for about two-thirds of the whole consump- so that there is no doubt the supply is brought chiefly in vessels which make from
.t,,':.1 and if this reduction were to take place, I should think it would fall to one- thoe to four voyages in the year.
one-
third ofu the whole consumption. Do you know how many voyages are made by vessels going to the lower ports of
° think that it would fall to one-third of the consumption of the whole at a America? Where they are altogether in that trade, I believe two can be made.
continued.. difference in the price of 455.? Yes, of course; lam speaking of this To Canada? To Quebec sometimes more,, but not very frequently; I have
port to the westward, there are advantages to time colonies. known ships make two voyages in the year, but it is running it very late.
is
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happen to know the description of persons by whom time American timber Are you acquainted with the ships that go from the western coast? lam but
the iie,..y purchased ? It is purchased indiscriminately by all who use timber; but little acquainted with the trade from thewestern coast.
not -r '-t-rate carpenters and builders are very averse to using it, and I believe do What is the statement you now hold in your hand? A statement of the present
Dose it in buildings of any consequence. value and charges upon deals from different ports of Europe and America, showing
~.. you know the purposes to which it is generally applied ? It is applied in what is left to the shipper of each article in loads for his goods.
qo,,ty.instances indiscriminately for all buildings.
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the carpenter
you mean that it is applied to superior buildings? No, I think not, where
' ..F.aerpenter or builder considers his credit. 't c 4----- , •
bli.:t_i? n the general application of it is to houses of an inferior description, as far as
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uclings are concerned? Certainly. Pi
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all State.. to what other purposes, independant of building, it is used? It is used to I
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is.tite other 'purposes of timber, shelves, boards, packing cases, for any thing of
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' . ...... • " ide work-. Ido not consider but that it is as good as other, except for floors ;ts, It preo...
WI not do for floors, it is so soft; a boot upon it would make an impression. ca i*' n
rip tic Z • V ',.,5 55. r., F.,_, s., ~,1 .-d td
Rut„ for inside purposes, independent of boards, you consider it as good as •-•- (~ es ta ,-.77 0. r.,.. ~.., Cll
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15 it not applied to musical instruments? Yes. 0 ./).-. cr, =• , • 0.• .5; 9 ;4,4 ti
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4ntd to every thing which requires a great surface, and a freedom from knots? Yes.
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any oththee two last mentioned purposes it is preferred, is it not? It is superior to El 17'
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per r those purposes it would be preferred at an equal price? No doubt.
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some Packing cases, anti other inferior purposes, it is as good as the Baltic? For <
as
Generaing cases it is ; but not where much of strength is wanted. •• • ...... • . • • • •
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hor;•lY speaking, for the packing cases it would answer? Generally speaking, -- ------- -
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"es not hold the nails. I should think two-thirds of the packing cas es ~.., -.- ... ..:. .. .- .... ,-• s-. •-•- ..
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made out of other wood, and not American. coo coccoo o co co cz C
or:lore You at all acquainted with the proportion of timber imported into the port
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' t ndon that is used for packing cases ? No, I have no idea. •• • ...... . • • • • •
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as th° you think, that for those inferior purposes, for which it is nearly as good , tri
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41141 et.l3altic timber, it requires a difference in price of 455. to preserve a con- i',“::"175 t.L.GGG-tat.'s Z".l 71m mow
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tt front I" ? It is to be considered, for all those purposes, the most inferior. Wood
sc,'*> rp'.. tt.' t-t' Z:s" ells, ll>" '" '" .rs ' '-' * is" Ps" e'r,'
bet, the Psaltic has generally been used, and therefore there is not the difference room neorporom rt, . (I 3
the
I,ll.the price of them and those prices I have been mentioning; there is not
ti 1"
,iilative difference. •
nis i ne Baltic timber to which you allude is subject to the same duties as the other, . . es. Z
t not ? It .
co co c. 3 co c.o co to to to to CA :A caw CA tri
4 s . is ; but for packing cases, deals are more generally used.
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I,:il°n of timber and another? No, I take Memel timber; but in looking at the , . 0 •94 t'e2
a n,g cases, deals are more properly the article taken into consideration.
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Iline difference of forty-five shillings necessary to preserve a consumption for
scs ta.
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tlia'll ' ferior purposes to the American timber ? The thing bears more upon deals
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I. auPon timbers ;we have many articles of deals which come to market nearly as to to ::-.. Pm ..., to •-• co - ,-- s.e., co co to t 0
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1114 tl'e American deals ;at the present time we have white deals from Riga, P. p- p- P- p• p. P. p. P. p. P. p p,p .
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attar,aell in the market at 41. 10s. 6d. per load, and the American deals will
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a,.'lvatitu. time American and Baltic wood, it was necessary that there should be an oce est so to CP cc c C., ....5 0 0 'F ‘F
.t'ql...ge on the side of the American timber of forty-five shillings ; were you cor-
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t '4l.uplerstooti ? Perfectly correctly. co cc cc cc co I cc cc co co co t:7O F."
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t.,,,° ssiiil.e°se inferior purposes, is it necessary there should be that difference of forty- 'gel
n 1,,,(:,1);,,i gs, to preserve the consumption to the American timber ? lam still fully -1.:„ C., ,-• 0 `.= to C.O .--. cc CC 0 L .:- .4. r"
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1,;1(14,:. that that is necessary, because the bulk of the timber after all is used in Z. Z.; :•:,1 •=--i7: sc-c' cs 7e ,1- "c,' ico -1 c.,-, to • (5
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'144: speaking of the timber, the opinion I have given as to the difference in
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rk.'tate IvT, to timber ; the duty upon deals bears heavier than it does upon timber.
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t,'"'ary qat you conceive to he the protecting difference of price that would be 8
'4.l°Pe hlllon deals ? The prices vary so much of the deals from the north of esmsso 4s.c.easce4s,s. es ss.m.,. -es ca :-. c-) g t 7)
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f‘vi.:ll4l tie' t a-1,4 I can only give it as an average price ; the average difference 1 think ,
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7,ra, the ho out 25 per cent of American deals below the average price of deals
Ico a, ll' olcal to I I C I E .4, ? :÷q a
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),,what -., a quarter ? Yes, if the one should be at 201. the other should be at 151. o
'i• 10 3 the selling price now ? Of the one about 181. and the other about
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220"
burth :it,' bot then it is to be taken into consideration that we have deals from the II I
ct
cc
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re which sell as low as 151. 0,
aril taken You speak of 181. and 131. 10s. do you speak of the same measure ? I 111 tsc,4IIII co II II I P. st z
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sup g the Petersburg standard.
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Pr' I:,°,3ing the standard Petersburg deals to sell for .201. you think the difference •-• s- .-• co ss. co so to ss co so co - 1,0 lc'
.7.. c..,
4.. CP CO -41,.: 0: c.O .P.-. 4 ofe. co ,-••-•• CO 40 '. 1-3 5
goird,le,`„ between time American deals and the Baltic deals should be bl. ? Yes, I
el
botu'e .e would be that difference in the estimation of the buyers as to quality. •ti co c 7, isa 't-ts. ce co ',sr 0.7 .7. cc to oc? .1:: ° ,,1 g
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`1 05 thel conceive, that for those inferior purposes which have been alluded to,
Cmcs mmtsat,smce so mos we I '' to
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l'oraso,e lOO of deals is necessary to preserve the consumption for those inferior
are Prof to American timber? I conceive that the deals from the north of Europe •-.-. s- - .V. o
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co co co cs t.: CO tsO•st CV W... 0 0 4: :,, 0 7-- ri_
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lile icierarierred, and generally supply the better uses for which deals are required;
lherefers_ from. North America will still only fill the lower and inferior purposes, _. _ _. --_ _ __ ..- ~.1
-.1 co co pr.d. C 5 •-• 00 0. ...4 - 0 .--, 0 • ''
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a11p)...s e, if the American deals did not supply the market, we should have, I ,- -
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in %,!,";., an inferior description brought from the Baltic, which would supply it ;
g-.
bri_ °I h there would be, perhaps, nearly as much difference as there is between the 5:51 i ve of the best Baltic deals which we import, and that of the American which we
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acri__.question referred to inferior purposes, and what the committee wish to ,-,
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a consumption
is, whether that amount of difference is necessary still to continue
appii_as.mption of American wood for those inferior purposes to which it is now :.- ..s. ;cs --.1 cc F. s-1 co sz Icocto me P- t'''''
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,' Ine? Ido think so. .... es,
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tion oi your general knowled of the timber trade, do you know what propor-
h of the consumption of timber • . applied
.LaVe stated , ms to the inferior purposes that you
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ntt you know the proportion of the red to yellow pine which has been imported
pr: this port ? I should fforti- or about one-sixth g
to the yel low.uess something- like one-sixth ;that the red bore The
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an alteration, to the extent of fifteen shillings or twenty shillings, were to take
the relative duties upon Baltic and American timber from what exists at
present, w
take plate u
hat, in your opinion, ought to be
uponite of duties which should
Ameri Pon Norway timber to brlng it a similar competition with the
that reespeanettinlber ? I really atti hot aware that any thing particular is required, in
same than! Norway. timber and the red -pine would sell at nearly the
the timbe7ms it at Norway is nearer to us than the other ports in the Baltic, and
hat n ----gnt be brought here at a less-price on that account, I am not aware
t!T.thtaiiniy tiling is necessary to give them a particular advantage in that respect ; it is
that the Norway timber, from the smallness of its growth, cannot compete
that from the Baltic, and th• refore does not stand on a fair footing, but per-
%is with the red pine it would if the duties were equalized.
When you speak of the fair competition of the two different kinds of timber, do
nu mean that the American 'timber should enjoy the same consumption in this
°u.ntrY, that it does at present? Certainly not ;it appears to me, that it is forced
riindiscriminately, into Uses for which it is by no means fit, that the lowness of the
eea induces the consumer in many instances to use it without his principal being
acquainted with it ; and that we shall find in the building of a great many houses,
tat quantit—
y of timber that will rot and require to be replaced.
dia. 'hat reduction do you contemplate in the consumption of American timber, at a
thaterc of price between the two kinds of timber of 455. ? I take it for granted,
t; tbe American timber is now used for about two-thirds of the whole consump-
t_°n i and if this reduction were to take place, I should think it would fall to one-
curd of the whole consumption.
You think that it would fall to one-third of the consumption of the whole at a
continued difference in the price of 455.? Yes, of course; lam speaking of this
Pori") to the westward, there are advantages to the colonies.
is r.),: ynou happen to know the description of persons by whom the American timber
not-"'enY purchased ? It is purchased indiscriminately by all who use timber ; but
e irst-rate carpenters and builders are very averse to using it, and I believe do
'use it in buildings of any consequence.
'Liu_ you know the purposes to which it is generally applied ? It is applied in
mlany instances indiscriminately for all buildings.
Ltd you mean that it is applied to superior buildings? No, I think not, where
the carpenter or builder considers his credit.
b.u.l.l?en the general application of it is to houses of an inferior description, as far as
ddings are concerned? Certainly.
!lithe other 'purposes of timber, shelves, boards, packing cases, for any thing of
rlside woe-. I do not consider but that it is as good as other, except for floors ;
it
Wtsould not do for floors, it is so soft ; a boot upon it would make an impression.
Ut for inside purposes, independant of boards, you consider it as good as
s'tier ? Yes.
Is it not applied to musical instruments? Yes.
And to every thing which requires a great surface; and a freedom from knots?. Yes.o
an gt the two last mentioned purposes it is preferred, is it not? It is superior t
Y °tber fcr those purposes.
Fain for
those purposes it would be preferred at an equal price? No doubt.
some Packing cases, and other inferior purposes, it is as good as the Baltic? For
a.:_ packing cases it is ; but not where much of strength is wanted.
tirenerall
aot Y speaking, for tbe packing cases it would answer ? Generally speaking,
4 e t"
ioes not hold the nails. I should think two-thirds of the packing cas es
r made out of other wood, and not American.
ofte you at all acquainted with the proportion of timber imported into the port
toondon that is used for packing cases ? No, I have no idea.
as th° you think, that for those inferior purposes, for which it is nearly as good
:am etBaltic timber, it requires a difference in price of 455. to preserve a c,on-
troe,Ptl,7l? It is to be considered, for all those purposes, the most inferior. 11 ood
het; the P.,altic has generally been used, and therefore there is not the difference
th -eel'. the price of them and those prices I have been mentioning; there is not
e Nlative difference.
is it -e Baltic timber to which you allude is subject to the same duties as the other,
not ? It is ; but for packing eases, deals are more generally used.aerl stating the prices, do you make a distinction between the price of one tie-
paeriun of timber and another ? No, I take Memel timber ; but in looking at the
Ling eases, deals are more properly the article taken into consideration.
117.. t ,he difference of forty-five shillings necessary to preserve a consumption for
than inferior purposes to the American timber ? The thing bears more upon deals
low ttPon timbers ; we have many articles of deals which come to market nearly as
Ivhiets the American deals ; at the present time we have white deals from Rig,
air Sell in the market at 41. 10s. 6d. per load, and the American deals will
y-ge4l.ss.
bNa.:ll,, were understood to say that to preserve a fair circulation in the market
!4vatii'n tile American and Baltic wood, it was necessary that there should be an
:I:T.e on the side -a the American timber of forty-five shillings ; were you cor-
1, understood ? Perfectly correctly.
urth •
inferior purposes, is it necessary there should be that difference of forty-
17bDielliTgs, to the consumption to the American timber ? lam still fully
bt':l(lietZa that hats necessary, because the bulk of the timber after allis used
''Z'N6c,,: speaking of the timber, the opinion I have given as to the difference
in
state "'es to timber - the duty upon deals bears heavier than it does upon timber.
i„c"'aery'vl'at you conceive' to be the protecting difference of price that would be
"r°Pe ~I 'Don deals ? The prices vary so much of the deals from the north of
noul kut,
fro Ibe I can only give it as an average price ; the average difference. think
-°,..„et the „awbl'ut 25 per cent of American deals below the average price of deals
That i:°rth of Erope
- a 'Wart ;1 Yes, if the one should be at 201. the other should be at 151.
)„,. at i 3 e quarter
)I'l los.. I.th selling price now ? Of the
.one about 181. and the other about
orth
ef.,:„kait then it is to be taken into consideration that we have deals from the
afi ch sell las 151.
ue
takin You e
sv peakwhi of 181. as andow 131. 10s. do you speak of the same measure? I
so rig the Petersburg standard.
in ptiPP°sing the standard Petersburg deals to sell for .201. you think the difference
think" between the American deals and the Baltic deals should be bl. ? Yes, I
thtre would be that difference in the estimation of the buyers as to quality.
;4°Yoil conceive, that for those inferior purposes which have been alluded to,
'plit.L the 100 of deals is necessary to preserve the consumption for those inferior
are ''uses to American timber? 1 conceive that the deals from the north of Europe
Preferred,
and generally supply the better uses for which deals are required;
lber 415 from North America will still only fill th& lower and inferior purposes,
super oe, if the American deals did not supply the market, we should have, I
1%1,,r)5e. an inferior description brought fro the the Baltic, which would supply it ;
brie inch there would be, perhaps, nearly as much difference as there is between the
jeTrt, of the best Baltic deals which we import, and that of the American which we
Icrlhe question referred to inferior purposes, and what the committee wish to
uw distinctly is, whether that amount of difference is necessary still to continue
C"s
A UrnpOOri of American wood for those inferior purposes to which it is now
PAileable? Ido think so.
tiool'rb°l7l your general knowledge of the timber trade, do you know what propor-
h.... I the consumption of timber is applied to the inferior purposes that you
~.'o`ue stated? I can give but a very inadequate idea of that; I should conceive
tnone-third of the whole amount ; but it is mere guess.
you speak particularly as to the trade in staves ? Not so particularly as
Iv.!..atso that in deals and timber generally.
111:1 any great alteration taken place in the extent of the import of staves from
~._ Baltic of late years? lam not particularly acquainted with it, but I think there
bas been to about the same extent which has been experienced in deals and timber.
of the IT
cannot speak previously to 1810? I cannot speak with the same accuracy
uo_,erstande trade as of the deal and timber trade ; the alteration is generally, I
You , the same, arising from the same causes.
thenthat an would conceive, if an alteration were to take place in the duties on timber,
aaelteration, upon the same principle, ought to take place in staves, to bring
If
suc_k toan a footing of competition ? Decidedly.
taint _e h alteration were to take place in the duties on timber, as the corn-
dut, e. have been referring to, what compai.-a:Cive alteration ought to take placein the
of
...ts deals, tolpslhaoceiddeals from the Br is
Colonies and the Baltic on a footing
of} °r ?
consider, that deaZ la
.:id on, bears to tlu resent rate CA
the same proportion which the duty taken
to
o; in fact, as far a:ePor have bee, duty on timber, should be the rule to affect
be a ei that the war duty a able to give it any consideration, it appears
air guide to go by' in au lye
bey,
and 41. 75. 6d. on (la t portion of that in one case or the other, would
de. articles. The war duty was 13s. Bd. on tim-
"s'i. I. am clearly of opinion, that if the war duty

[Adjourned to tc.morrow, one o'clock.

Jovis, 22 die .Fetruarii, 1821.

The Right Honourable THOMAS WALLAcs, in the Chair.

Bartin Haigh, called in; and examined.

WHAT is your business? A joiner, house carpenter and builder, at Liverpool.
How long have you been established in business at Liverpool ? Five-and-twenty
years.
Have you, during that period, been accustomed to make use of Baltic timber,
and also American yellow and,red pine timber? Of American yellow pine, but
not of red pine so long as twenty-five years.`
Have you had opportunities of ascertaining the durability of each of those kinds
of timber after they have been used ? Yes, several.
Have they occupied your particular attention with a view to ascqtaining their