The Sun.
London, England, 1844-05-17 00:00:00

HILL COOLIES.

Lord SANDON moved for returns of extracts of dis-
patches from the Governor-General of India, on the sub-
ject of the emigration of Hill Coolies.—Agreed to.
COUNTING OUT THE HOUSE.

Mr. PAKINGTON hoped he might be allowed,
without disrespect to the House in general, or to any
Member of it, to complain of what he believed was the
unusual and somewhat uncourteous mode in which the
House was counted out at half-past four o'clock yester-
dayfo before the usual hour of proceeding to business.
No one was more willing than himself to agree to what.
he believed the sense of the House. If it was the opinion
of the House that all legislation should be confined to
her Majesty's-Government he was willing to consent to
it, but if upon subjects to which the Government had not
leisure to turn their attention legislation could be
carried on by the exertion of individual Members,
they ought not to be exposed to the sort of impedi-
ment he met with yesterday. On the Wednesday before
there was no House; yesterday it was counted out;
and Wednesday. next was the Deibx day, when, of
course, there would be no House again.—(Laughter.)
If he was wrong in the grounds he had taken, he should
be happy to retract what he had said. He could not
Complain of any Hon. Member in particular, because he
did not know who it was that moved that the House be
counted out last night, for he was net aware that it had
been counted out until he was told so by an Hon. Friend
whom he met in Parliament street.—(Laughter.)
The dropped Orders were then re appointed, and the
subject dropped.
DISSENTERS' CHAPELS BILL.

In answer to a question from Sir T. WILDE,
Sir B. PEEL was understood to say that as there were
two- Orders to-morrow before the Dissenters' Chapels
Bill, namely the Customs Bill and the Factories Bill, and.
as it was probable, therefore, that the Dissenters' ChapelS
Bill could not come on for discussion before a late hour,
he would propose to read the. Bill a second' time .to-mor-,
row, and take the discussion upon the principle of the
Bill on the motion for going into Committee.
Dr. BOWRIIsTG said there were a great number of
persons who were anxious that this Bill should be disl
cussed on an early occasion.
Sir R. PEEL said the
.Bill could not be fully disc
cussed if brought on at a late hour to-morrow, and
therefore he proposed to take the discussion on the
motion for going into Committee.
NATIONAL EDUCATION IN IRELAND. .

M.J. O'CONNELL wished to know from the
Right Hon. Gentleman opposite, whbn the remaining
estimates would be brought forward ? There were two
of those—that for National Education on which an increase
was to be proposed this year, and upon
which some discussion was likely •to arise ;
there -was also the grant to Maynooth, which was an
annual subject of discussion. It would be very conve-
nient to know what time it was intended to bring them
on,_ tti hether before or after the Whitsun Holidays ?
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he
would give an answer• to• morrow.
• ' THE WHITSUN HOLIDAYS.

Mr. COLLETT wished to know from the Right Hon.
Gentleman when the Whitsun Holidays would begin and
end.—(Laughter.)
Sir R. PEEL said that he proposed that the House
should adjourn from Friday week till the Thursday fol-
lowing. The Housdi would.meet on Friday.
PRISON DISCIPLINE.

Mr. MACKINNON begged to ask the Right Hon.
Baronet (the Secretary of State for the Home Depart-
ment,• whether, if he postponed his motion with respect
to prison discipline, he would have any objection to grant
certain papers which he required for the purpose of elti-
cidating the subject ?
Sir J. GRAHAIVf .said'he was of opinion that the dis-
cussion of the subject would be attended with the most
salutary effects, and if any papers were nec4Ssary, he
would be happy to .furnish his Hon. Friend with them
before the discussion took place.

Mr. MACKINNON then postponed his motion until
that day fortnight:.
STA'rE TRIALS.

Mr. I'. D,l.r/403M8E Mend for and obtained the
following re'tur.ns-::-L•lteturn oraii -moneys paid, or to be
paid, to Mr. IrodeS short-hand writer or writers
for notes taken of the proceedings in the Court of Queen's
Bench, Duhliti;: previous to, 'and .during or since the
trial of, -;The Queen .11.- ,Q,'Conaell. and others.
Also, a return. of, all pc2ripys.paid, or to tie paid, for any
notes taken of proceedings at C.orieiliation Hall, be-
•tween the Ist day of Aiiknit,,.lB43,•iiid‘tlie present time.

PROMOTION INJHE NAVY.
Sir CHARLES NAI'IER rose to bring before the
House the present state of the naval establishment of the
Country. Ile did so entirely from a regard to the in-
terests of the service. Ile had studied this subject since
the time of the war, and he thought that in the present
state of the navy list, it would be impossible to carry on
a war with vigour, in consequence of the advanced age of
the superior officers of the navy. In 1842 he brought the
subject before the House, and moved that admirals of
advanced age should retire upon a pension of 50s. a day.
He brought on that motion on the 22t1 of March.
In 1843'he brought the subject again before the House,
and his motion was seconded by the Noble Lord, the
Member for South Staffordshire (Lord Ingestre), who
received a severe reprimand from the Hon. Baronet oppo-
site. The question was one quite unconnected with party
politics. Whatever Ministers might be sitting upon the
Treasury benches—whether they were Whigs or whether
they were Tories—they seemed to be equally inattentive
to the interests of the navy. Ile had alluded to the subject
when the navy estimates were brought forward in 1843,
and the Right Hon. Baronet had stated that there had
previously been .a retired list, but that it had been abo-
lished by recommendation of the Commission. Now,
the Right lion. Baronet had spoken the truth in stating
this, but ho had not spoken the whole truth. lie had
not told the House that officers were forced to put them-
selves upon the retired list to which he had alluded.
The . system. had been instituted by Lord Howe,
and it had continued until the Puke of Clarence
had been .appointed Lord High Admiral, when an
alteration had taken place. The Duke of Clarence had
adopted a inore just principle. He had adopted the
principle that no officer should be promoted to a flag
who had not served either four years in • time of war, I
live years in time of war and peace, or six years in time
of peace, That retired list was not a voluntary retired
list —it was formed Or officers who had not inte-
rest enough to procure ooyment afloat, It was in
fact a punishment upon officers for not having suffi-
cient interest with the Government to procure
emploment. The Commission had recommended
that all these officers should be taken off the retired list,
and allowed the rank of rear-admiral, vice-admiral.
and admiral, but without enjoying the pay.
When he asked the Right Hon. Baronet to give him a
0140 list, it was a ra9tlcrate ?rorsal, and In was onl7