The Sun.
London, England, 1844-04-23 00:00:00

THF, SUN, LONDON, TUESDAY EVENING, APRIL 23, 1644,

S. Passey, commercial traveller, Back Vine-street, Nlinories.
C. Strong, cabinet-maker,Lyncombe and \Vidcembe, Smerset..
J. Elderkin, beer-seller, Brook-green, Hammersmith.

EAST INDIA . -Bengal Sugar has been in excellent request,
and the prices paid are 6d to ls per cwt above those of the last
public sale. This afternoon Bengal Sugar was in request,
and 726 bags at auction went at full rates ; good white at
65s 6d to 665, damp 64s to 655, damp Khaur bes to 53s per cwt.
14 casks 103 boxes of Ceylon Sugar were sold-strons: mid-
dling yellow at 60s 6d to 61s, good greyish yellow 61s 6d, bright
yellow 62s 6d, ordinary grey 59s rev cwt.
FOREIGN.-The market has a firm appearance for all de-
scriptions of Foreign Sugar. This afternoon 1,840 boxes of
white Havannah Sugar were submitted to public competition,
sound all taken in at stiff rates, good at 28s 6d to 30s, mid
26s 6d to 28s, low 23s to 24s ; the washed, amounting to 430
boxes, all sold at 235. to 25s per cwt, being the full value. A
floating cargo of brown and yellow Maceio sold for Hamburgh
at 17s per cwt.
MonassEs.-Holders of West India submitting to rather
lower rates has caused buyers to operate more freely. Trinidad
at 225, Demerara 24s to 255, Antigua fine 27s 6d per cwt.
Madras, in bond, bought in at 9s, and Bengal, duty paid, at 18s
per cart. To-day Berbiee Molasses sold at 24s per cwt.
Cocoa.--. Brazil 28s 6d to 30s per cwt, St. Damingo at
27s 6d for ordinary old grey, and sea damaged first class 21s to
24s per cwt.
TEA.-The demand is on the increase for Tea of all descrip-
tions ; a good business has been transacted since last Tuesday,
particularly in the lower qualities, which have brought rather
higher rates ; the better kinds maintain the previous currency.
To-day several purchases were made in Tea, and the market
closed firmly; common Congou for cash at is 00 to Is Id
per lb. No public sale is yet announced.
SAGO.---There has been more disposition to purchase Sago,
and higher rates paid for fine qualities ; the lower sorts have
maintained the previous currency ; Sago Flour at 20s 6d to
81s 6d por cwt. Tapioca at 5d to Sid for good. West India
Arrowroot at bid for Jamaica, 9ird to Is 2d fur Bermuda, 5d to
100 for St. Vincents, and Tousles Moi3 5d to 54{1 per lb.
COFFEE.-The market has been better supplied with West
India Coffee, still bu) ere have operated with reluctance, and at
at auction 50 casks Jamaica of the new crop went at
prices 3s to 4s per cwt under those paid in the private markets.
This afternoon there was only a limited demand privately
for Ceylon Coffee ; 881 bags at auction were, however, nearly
all disposed of, but at rather lower rates ; good ordinary
pale went at 59s to 59s 6d, real good ordinary rather colory
60s, middling greyish colory Demerara sort at 85s to 85s 6d,
fine fine ordinary 795, and sea damaged 56s to 83s 6(1 ; bold
black taken in at 17s 6d. Demerara taken in at 60s for fine
ordinary unclean. The Foreign market is quiet ; Rio taken in
at 45s to 48s for fine fine ordinary ; one lot sold at 50s per
cwt. First class sea damaged St. Domingo (bankrupt's effects)
taken in at 28s to 29s per cwt; middling colory Rio fetched
59s per cwt.
g& Rum, BRANDY, AND HOLLANDS.-The good and fine
qualities of Jamaica Rum at an advance on the prices of this
day week of 2d per gallon; inferior sorts are firm in price, 33
to 36 overproof fine quality at 4s 8d to 4s 10d, 31 to 34 over
good 3s 10d to 3s lid, 22 over very fine high flavour 4s 6d, and
common and middling 30 to 34 over 3s fid to 3s 8d per gallon.
In Leeward, at 2s lid to 2s 2d per gallon for proof ; there are
large purchasers at 2s Id. Demerara at 3s 23 to 3s 4d for 32
to 36 per cent over-proof, and superior at 35 5d to
3s 6d. Calcutta Rum proof at is 10d to Is lOid per gallon.
To-day the demand for brandy was good, and prices firmer ;
speculators are the chief operators. Cognac best brands of
the vintage of 1838 hhds 5s 10d, puns 5s 83 ; ditto 1839, hhds
3s Bd, puns 5s 5d ; ditto 1840, hhds 5s Cd, puns 5s 4d • ditto
1841. hhds 5s sd, puns 5s 3(1; ditto 1842, hhds 5s 4d, puns
fis 2d ; middling marks 3s 5d to 4s 6d ; and low 2s 9d to 3s 43 ;
and Spanish brandy 2s 8d to 2s 93 per gallon. In Geneva
several shipping orders executed at Is 8d to Is 9d, the value of
fine for home consumption is 2s 2d to 3s. English corn
spirits 10s 2d, and Scotch and Irish malt spirit 12s 6d to 13s
per gallon.
RICE.-For Bengal the tendency of prices is still downwards.
Madras and Java on lower terms. Patna cleaned rice 13s to
17s, and Carolina 21 to 26s per cwt. This afternoon Bengal
good white went at lls middling lOs 6d to I Is, sea damaged
first class lOs to 11,, second 9s 6d to 10s. Java taken in at
8s 6d for low yellow mixed with Paddy; Carolina from Bos-
ton good at 16s to 16 6d, and middling 159 per cwt. This af-
ternoon Tapioca sold at 5d to Ofid per lb for good and fine
quality.
INnrco.-The quarterly sale of East India Indigo was
brought to a conclusion this daY. From the beginning of the
sale the biddings were very brisk, and the demand for all the
qualities fit for shipping unusually active. This afternoon
Manilla Indigo went at Is 3d to 3a 2d, Madras 3s to 3s 2d, and
Guatemala 2s 10d to 3s 93 per lb.
TAr.Low.-There has been only a small business transacted
in Russian Tallow, on the spot; and 40s to 41s per cwt is the
value of P Y Candle : for delivery in the last three months of
the year 42s to 42s 3d per cwt. Town Tallow nett is 40s to
40s 6d per cwt. In the value of other sorts of Tallow there is
lsttle change ; North American fetched 38s to 40s 6d; Odessa
sheeps 40s to 40s 3d; Gibraltar 43 ; and Italian 40s 9d to 41s.
This afternoon P Y Candle was in request for delivery in The
last three months of the year at former rates, but the demands
on the spot was limited.
Oits-Pale Seal is 34/ to 34/ lOs and Cod 34/ 5s to 34/ 10s;
on Friday, Sperm, prime British at 731 to 76/, and inferior at
73i to 74/ per tun. Palm at 24s to 28s per cwt for common
to fine. Cocoa Nut Oil less enquired for, 301 to 301 5s for
Ceylon, 01:ve Oil is in excellent request ; Gallipoli 52/ to
53/, Spanish 51/, and Barbary 48/ lOs to 491 per tun. Rape
at 39s 6d to 40s for pale, and 38s 63 to 39s for brown. Lin-
seed Oil at 27s 3d to 27s 6d per cwt on the spot.

Sir J. GRAHAM said he was anxious to do all his
power to expedite public business. A Rill was under
his consideration which was in a state of preparation,
and it would be introduced as soon as it was complete.

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

MESSAGE FROM THE LORDS.
Messengers from the Lords brought down certain Bills.
VESTRIES IN CHURCHES BILL.
Mr. STAFFORD O'BRIEN brought in a Bill to pro-
hibit the holding of Vestries in Churches, which was
read a first time. The Hon. Gentleman they. moved.that

(THIS EVENING.)

HOUSE OF LORDS.

The Earl of SHAFTESBURY, in the absence of the
Lord Chancellor, took his seat on the Woolsack at Five
o'Clock.
Lord. ROSEBERY presented a petition from a
Dissenting congregation in the neighbourhood of Man-
chester against the Dissenters' Chapels Bill.
The Bishop of BANGOR presented several petitions
from places in Wales, against the union of the secs of
St. Asaph and Bangor.
PRO-CORN-LAW LEAGUE.
Earl RADNOR wished to ask his Noble Friend near
him (the Duke of Richmond, as we understood) and the
Noble Duke opposite (the Duke of Buckingham), whe-
ther a certain pamphlet, published under the auspices of
the Pro-Corn-law League, was sanctioned by them ?
for, in his opinion, a more eiscrcditable work never
emanated from the press.—(" Oh, oh !") He re-
peated the assertion, because it was dishonest.
The pamphlet laid down particular dogmas, with-
out at all giving data for their :conclusions. (The
Noble Earl then read several quotations from the
pamphlet alluded to, in support of his assertion, and
concluded by repeating his question.)
The Duke of RICHMOND said he thought that
the practice of asking questions ought not to
be exended. It was all very well to put
questions to the Members of her Majesty's Govern-
ment, but certainly he thought it was not likely to
increase the dignity of their Lordships' House for a
member of the Anti-Corn-Jaw League, as his Noble
Friend was, to stand up in his place and put a question
to him (the Duke of Richmond), who was a member of
a Protection Society.—(Hear, hear, and laughter.) He
felt that the proper course to adopt was not to answer
so paltry a question, further than to say that he thought
the pamphlet a most excellent one, and that if it was
not a good one his Noble Friend would not find fault
with it. He thought his Noble Friend was quite as
much in error in the present instance as lie was
when he last attacked him (the Duke of Richmond). In
that instance instead of replying to him in his place, his
lion. Friend published his ansv er in the shape of a letter
in the newspaperswith his name attached. (After some
further observations the matter dropped.)
(LEFT SITTING.)

it be r.,ad a second time on Wednesday.
Mr. HAWES hoped the Hon. Member would not fix
so early a clay as Wednesday for the second reading of
the Bill. It was necessary that the Bill should be freely
circulated through the country, in order that the parties
interested might have an opportunity of becoming ac-
quainted with the provisions of the Bill. That oppor-
tunity would not be afforded to them if the Bill were
read a second time at so early a day as Wednesday next.
He therefore hoped that the lien. Gentleman would post-
pone the second reading of the Bill to Wednesday three-
weeks. It was ultimately arranged that the Bill
should be read a second time on Wednesday fortnight.
RELIGIOUS TESTS IN SCOTCH -UNIVER-
SITIES.
Mr. FOX MAULE presented two petitions—one
from the Senate of the University of Glasgow and an-
other from the students of that University—against
the subjecting the members of the Universities of Scot-
land to religious tests. He gave notice that he should
that day Week call the attention of the House to the
subject matter of those petitions, and in order that they
might be in the hands of Hon. Members in time to enable
them to make themselves acquainted with the subject
he begged to move that the petitions be printed and
circulated with the Votes.—Agreed to.
MR. FERRAND'S ACCUSATIONS.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.
The SPEAKER took the chair at the usual hour.
NEW MEMBER.

Mr. T. BARING took the oaths and his seat for
untinl: don.
COLCHESTER AND HARWICH RAILWAY
BILL.

Mr. C. ROUND moved, "That it be an instruction
to the Committee on the Colchester and Harwich Rail-
way Bill (No. 2) and the Harwich Isailway and Pier
Bill, that it be at liberty to deem the line of railway
from Colchester to Harwich, projected by Mr, Hosking
(as inentioned in the petition of Sir Henry Webb, Bart.,
and William Adams Smith, Esq., presented to the House
on the 19th day of this instant April), a competing line
in contemplation, and to hear the said petitioners, as
prayed by their petition, in support thereof."
Sir A. L. HAY thought that, as the petitioners prayed
to be heard in support of their petition, it H ould be only
just to them to grant their request.
After a few words from Lord G. Somerset, Mr. Beres-
ford, and Mr. Smith,
Sir GEO. STRICKLAND thought that the Standing
Orders on the subject of railways were much too
stringent. Parties were now enabled to get up a railway
line without any due notice, and so suddenly were those
projects brought before the House that they had no op-
portunity of fairly considering the respective interests of
the several parties. Thinking it to be the duty of Par-
liament to protect the public against those wild schemes,
he should be glad to see those rules in some degree
modified.

Mr. JERVIS supported the motion.
Sir GEORGE SMYTH said that he did not think
the Committee was the proper tribunal to investigate
the claims of competing lines. He would oppose the
motion.
The House then divided, when the numbers were—
For the motion
Against it
Majority against the mution —7l
Mr. MACKINNON presented a petition against the
Leeds. and Bradford Railway.
Col. WOOD presented a petition from a parish in
Cardiganshire, praying that if the County Courts Bill
should pass into a law, the judges to be appointed under
it should he gentlemen well versed in the Welsh lan-

-
;COURSE OF EXCIL
Amsterdam CF. 12 5
Ditto, at sight l2 3
Rotterdam 2U. 12 51,
Antwerp 25 95
Harnburgh M.B. 13 15
Altona l3 15
Paris, 3 days' sight 25 70
Ditto, 3 months 25'90
Marseilles
Bourdeaux 25 95
Frankfort on Maine 1221
Petersburgh, 3Us 36
Berlin 7
Vienna, effee. fl. 3M 956
Trieste, ditto
Madrid 37.

,NGE.—(THIS DAY.)
Gibraltar
Leghorn 3O 60
Genoa 25 95
Milan
Venice........ .......... 47
Naples ........ .......... 39
Palermo, per oz ll7
Lisbon s3i
Oporto s3i
Rio Janeiro 23
Bahia 23
Buenos Ayres
NewYork,2ldys sight
Philadelphia
PRICES OF BULLION, PER OZ.
Foreign Gold, bars £3 17 9
Portugal Gold Coin 3 17 5
Ncw Doubloons.— 0 0 0
New Dollars 0 4
Silver in tsars 0 4 11

gunge.—(Laughter.)
Mr. BATESON presented a petition praying that all
marriages celebrated by Presbyterian ministers in Ire-
land might be at once legalised.
Mr. ROSS presented a petition from Belfast praying
for a measure to legalise Presbyterian mixed marriages;
also, a petition from the same place praying for a reduc-
tion of the duties on raw cotton.
Mr. IVYNN ELLIS presented a petition against the
County Courts Bill, praying that it might not pass into
a law.
Captain PECIIELL presented a petition from the
cordwainers and tailors of Brighton against the Masters
and Servants Bill.
Mr. HUME presented a petition to the same effect
from the county of Forfar ; also a petition praying fur a
reduction of the tobacco duties.
Mr. S. 'WORTLEY presented a petition, praying for
a repeal of the duty on the importation of foreign wool.
Mr. ALDHAIII presented three petitions against the
Leeds and Bradford Railway Bill.
NOTICES OF MOTION.
COMPENSATION IN THE COURT OF
CHANCERY.

Cadiz
I.lilbao 36
Barcelona 36
Seville —

NEWMARKET RACES.
(THIS DAY-BY EXPRESS.)

(Continued from our Third Edition.)
MATCHES.
Mr. Greville's Jamaica beat Lord Exeter's Economy,
Mr. Payne's Audrey beat Mr. Osbaldeston's Escrick.

Mr. WATSON gave notice that he would postpone
his motion relative to compensation to officers of the
Court of Chancery till the 7th of May.
THE ECCLESIASTICAL COURTS BILL.

THE LONDON GAZETTE

(THIS EVENING.)

Mr. T. DUNCOMBE gave notice that he would
move in Committee on the Ecclesiastical Courts Bill,
that it be an instruction to the Committee to abolish all
ecclesiastical courts, and to transfer their jurisdiction to
the civil courts of th
QUARANTINE.

WHITEHALL, Aram 22, 1844.
The Queen has been pleased to present the Rev. David
Drummond to the church of Innerwick, in Glenlyon, in the
presbytery of Weem and shire of Perth, vacant by the transpor-
tation of the Rev. Charles Stewart to the church and parish of
Kilmorie, in the presbytery of Kintyre.
DOWNING-STREET, Aram 23.
The Queen has been pleased to appoint John Nodes Dickin-
son, Esq., to be one of the Judges of the Supreme Court of the
colony of New South Wal; s.
OFFICE OF ORDNANCE, Aran 22.
Royal Regiment of Artillery—Captain and Brevet-Major
C. Dalton to be Lieutenant-Colonel, vice J. Gordon retired on
full-pay ; Second Captain C. W. Wingfield to be Captain ;
Second Captain A. Tulloh to be Captain, vice Dalton; First
Lieut. W. H. ',Mot to be Second Captain, vice Tulloh ; Se-
cond Lieut. A. C. Gleig to be First Lieutenant, vice Elliot ;
Second Captain John Sidney Farrell to be Captain, vice Dy-
son, retired on full pay ; First Lieutenant Peter Maclean to be
Second Captain, vice Farrell; Second Lieutenant C. Frye to
be First Lieutenant, vice Maclean ; Second Captain H. Poole
to be Captain, vice Finwick, retired on full pay ; First Lieut.
C. 11.. Wynne to be Second Captain, vice Poole ; Second Lieut.
the Hon. W. C. Yelverton to be First Lieutenant, vice Wynne,
April 15.
Commission by the Lord Lieutenant of the West Riding of

Dr. BOIVRING gave notice that on this day fortnight
he would call the attention of the House to the subjec

, returns were ordered
respecting
3plarialionljaAcTount of the New Houses
of quarantine.
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mtohtei osn um o f s
of Parliament.
TREATY BETWEEN THE UNITED STATES
AND GERMANY:
Dr. BOWRING said be wished to know from the
Goverment whether they had any knowledge of a treaty
between the United States of America and the German
Zollverein, for the mutual admission of articles at lower
rates than if imported from Great Britain or
other countries. On the 23d of March this treaty was
signed by the representative of the German Union and
the Minister of the United States. It had been stated to
him that under this treaty tobacco, the produce of Ame-
rica, was to be admitted into the states of the German
Union at a duty of four dollars. He was informed also
that the German States Union entered into an arrange-
ment that they would not raise the duty on rice, and that
cotton wool, which was imported from the United States,
should be imported without the payment of any duty;
that in consideration of the advantages obtained by the
Americans in Germany, Prussia, on behalf of the Ger-
man Commercial Union, had agreed that tobacco should
be admitted into Germany from the United States at a
duty not exceeding 15 per cent. ; - honey at a duty not
exceeding 20 per cent., and other articles, which he would
not mention, at a duty not exceeding 10 per cent. He
begged, therefore, to inquire of the Right lion. Baronet,
whether he was cognisant of the facts which he had
stated—whether those facts were correct—and whether
it was the intention of tire Government to make any
arrangements on the subject in consequence ?
Sir R. PEEL said the statement of the Hon. Gentle-
man was substantially correct, and that a treaty had
been signed by Prussia, on the part of the German Zoll-
verein, and the representative of the United States, sti-
pulating that certain duties • should be paid on certain
articles introdUced from either country as the Hon. Gen-
tleman had stated ; but at the same time that treaty had
not yet been ratified:
Mr. LABOUCIIERE stated that from the treaties
that existed between the United States and this country,
it would be impossible for the United states to admit the
productions of Germany on more favourable terms
than they admitted the manufactures of this country.
Of course, then, any reductiou made in favour of Prus-
sian manufactures by America must be equally advan-
tageous to the productions of this country.
Sir R. PEEL said the attention of her Majesty's Go-
vernment had been drawn to the subject. The treaty
existing between this country and the United States
stipulated for the admission into America of produc-
tions, on the footing of the most favoured nations,
on condition of conceding equivalent advantages. How-
ever, as the treaty to which allusion had been made by the
Hon. Gentleman had not been ratified, he thought it bet-
ter to abstain from making any observations just now
upon it.

GREECE.
Sir R. PEEL, in laying on the table of the House
certain papers, by command of her Majesty, said there
were amongst them papers relating to the recent events
in Greece, and he felt confident that the House, on pe-
rusing them, would view, with the greatest satisfaction,
the successful results of the efforts which had been
made by popular assemblies, convened under very
critical circumstances, to establish the principles
of free representative government and to combine with
them limited monarchy.—(Cheers.) He felt the
strongest confidence that when the House viewed the
course which her Majesty's Government had taken,
they would approve of the advice which they had given
and the measures which they had adopted for the pur-
pose of bringing this great effort to a successful issue.
FEES TO MAGISTRATES' CLERKS.
Lord DUNCAN said, seeing the Right llon. Gen-
tleman the Secretary for the Home Department in his
place, he rose to put a question to him on the sub-
ject of fees to magistrates' clerks, of which he had givcn
him notice. On the 13th of March, the Noble Lord the
Member for Lincolnshire was induced to withdraw the
motion which he had made on the subject, in con-
sequence of an assurance from her Majesty's Govern-
ment that a Bill would shortly be brought forward.
On the 2d of April he had put a question on the same
subject to the Right Hon. Gentleman the Under Secre-
tary of State for the Home Department, the answer to
which was so vague as to lead him to suppose that the
Bill would not be brought forward so early as had been
expected. He begged now to ask at what period the
Bill was likely to be introduced ?

Mr. FERRAND rose and said, Sir, I have dur-
ing this morning minutely examined into all the
speeches which I made in the manufacturing
districts during the Easter recess, and which have
been published in the Times newspaper. I have, Sir,
paid perticular attention to the leading articles of the
Times, in which certain extracts from speeches of mine,
which u ere said to bear on the Right Hon. the Secretary of
State for the Home Department, and the Learned Mem-
ber for Beverley. Sir, it is not my intention to retract
one syllable which I used in those speeches, nor to ex-
tenuate or explain away a single sentence. When I
made use of that language, I asserted the sacred pre-
rogative of a free-born Englishman. and I expressed my
opinion upon the public conduct of two public. officers.
Sir, I defy this House to deprive me of that privilege.
The opinion which I formed of the conduct of those two
public oMeers, is supported by the public press of the
country, and is backed by public opinion. But, Sir, if,
in mak.ng use of those expressions, I have in any way
wounded the personal honour of any Member—(Here
the Hon. Member was interupted by loud ironical cheers)
—Sir, the party spirit and unmanly bearing which was
exhibited towards me last night, and persisted in this
instant, should, Sir, remind those Honourable Gentle-
men—and I am sure, Sir, I shall be barked
with the feeling of Englishmen at large—that
this House is the last tribunal fcr them to appeal to.
Here the Hon. Gentleman paused, took up his hat,
walked deliberately from his seat, and bowing to the
Speaker left the House. Sir James Graham who had
not observed this movement, rose to reply to the Hon.
Gentleman, but as he was laying his hat on the table, a
loud burst of uproarious mirth broke from all parts of
the House, and on the Right Hon. Baronet's turning
round, and ascertaining the cause, he heartily joined in
the laughter, and resumed his scat. The laughter and
confusion confusion continued for some time, and it was
again and again renewed, as Mr. Borthwick attempted
to address the House. After this Hon. Gentleman had
remained upon his legs some time without being able to
utter a syllable
Mr. ROEBUCK rose, but was met with loud cries of
" Oider, order," " Chair, chair," and much confusion, in
the Midst of which Mr. Borthwick sat down. The Hon.
and Learned Member (Mr. Roebuck) said—Sir, I rose
to order.---(Cheers and cries of " Chair.") I aro sure
the House, Sir, must have understood from what passed
lest night, and from the transactions of last night, that
a most serious charge was made before this House
against a Minister of the Crown.— (Cries of " Order.")
HoWever ridiculous may have been the upshot of the
matter.—(Hear, hear, and laughter.)
An Hox. MEMBER rose to order. He said the Hon.
Member for Evesham is in possession of the House.—
(Hear, hear, and cries of "Go on, Roebuck.") The
Hon. Member for Bath has not said one word to order.
Mr. ROEBUCK—Why, Sir, I have not uttered so
mugh as one sentence—(Cheers, and cries of "Go on,
go on," and " Chair, chair")--
Mr. SPEAKER—The Hon. Member for Evesham
was certainly in possession of the Chair. But the Hon.
Member for Bath rose to order, and he has not yet ad-
dressed himself to any question of order.
Mr. ROEBUCK—Sir, I rose merely to say that I
thought it pertinent to the question of order to explain
to the House now the serious circumstances which oc-
curred last night.—(Loud cries of "Hear,"and "Order.")
Sir; I think that those circumstances may be regarded
as constituting a question of privilege.—(llaar, hear.)
Sir; I thought that a discussion of privilege was to take
plate this evening—(Hear, hear)—but an. Hon. Mem-
ber' rose and made a statement—whether satisfactory or
no I will not say.—(Cheers and laughter.) Therefore,
Sir; I rise merely to ask you, whether—after what did
pags in the House last night—it is becoming and fitting
to 411 ow those proceedings to pass over in so slight and
(as we understood) so contemptuous a manner ?
(Cheers.) If, Sir, you do not think so, lam prepared to
make a motion.—(Cheers.)
Mr. SPEAKER—The Hon. Gentleman has put a
question to me on the subject which does not form part
of the Orders of the House, and on wnich it is not for
met to decide.—(Hear, hear.)
,Ir.
Hogg then rose at the same time with Mr. Borth-
wick and Sir R. Inglis, amidst loud and repeated cries
of" Go on, Hogg," " Order, order," &c. At length Sir
R. Inglis and Mr. Hogg sat down, and
Mr. BORTHWICK said that he thought that he
ought to have been heard whenhe was in possession of the
House._ He thought that if the Hon. and Learned Gen-
tleman opposite wished to continue the discussion of last
night, he ought to give notice.—(Cries of " Oh, oh," de-
naive cheers, and continued calls for Mr. Hogg ; to
which, at length, Mr. Borthwick gave way.)
Mr. HOGG then rose, amidst cheers, and said :—I
hOpe to receive the indulgence of the House, and I think
that I am not going too far when I say that the case is
a matter of privilege. An imputatation of
interfering with the privileges of the House
has been cast upon the Secretary for the Home
Department, a Minister of the Crown.—(Hear.) But I
have still more the right to claim the protection and
justice of the House as if I was an officer appointed to a
sworirduty.---(Hear, hear.) lam placed in some dif-
ficulty as to how I should proceed, in consequence of the
declaration made by the Honourable Member
who is now absent. I hold in my hand
the speech of the Honourable Member which
he made last night, and whilst I read it I wish of
impress on the House that its meaning cannot be mis-
taken. I would allow him to comment on my condnct
as he pleased. I will allow him to say that we were
wrong in our decision, and that the law was wrong on
which we acted, but I will not allow him
t 4 mast upon me imputations of being in-
flueneed by a Minister of the Crown in discharging
the sacred duty to which I was sworn as a chairman of
aommittee, if it be true that I had been guilty, or any
other officer guilty of such conduct, it will be your duty
to express yourself on the infamy of his conduct. But
if the charge cannot be substantiated I leave it to you
to express your opinion of the man who has made it.
I am not sufficiently versed in the forms of this House
to know what course with propriety to pursue ; but I
claim, as I think I have a right to do, the protection of
the Right Hon. Baronet at the head of her Majesty's
Government—(Hear, hear)—and I claim the protection
of the Noble Lord, the Member for London; who is ever
anxious that justice should be done to every man, no
matter to what party he may belong.--(Loud cries of
" Hear, hear.") I claim from them to initiate some pro-
ceeding by which the opinion of this House may be
Marked. . Perhaps the most proper course will
be, that the House shall declare by resololution that
the charges brought forward are false and libellous.—
(Cheers.) The document I hold in my hand is the re-
port of the speech delivered by the Hen. Gentleman
(Mr. Ferrand) wherein he refers to what he terms the
Right Hon. Secretary's (Sir J. Graham's) delinquencies,
in the plain-spoken fashion—(Laughter)—which is his
custom, and in words which are well calculated to gain
for him the sympathy of every opponent of the poor-
law. He says, in that speech, that the meeting should
remember that no man had resisted the poor-law
more vigorously than Mr. Walter, and it therefore was
felt necessary by Sir James Graham to get him unseated.
Against that gentleman's (Mr. Walter's) return a peti-
tion had been presented, and in that petition an allega-
tion was made that between thirty and forty pounds had
been improperly expended. His speech went on to say that
the Committee to try this petition consisted of three
Whigs and of three Tories, and its Chairman was Mr.
Hogg, the Member for Beverley, one of the most pure
boroughs in the kingdom, but whether he (Mr.
Hogg) got his seat for 401. or not he
(Mr. Ferrand) did not exactly know.—(Hear, hear.)
This Tory Chairman, added Sir J. Graham, is unseat-
ing Mr. Walter. Mr. Hogg tried to explain away his
conduct on that occasion, and all the Government side
of the House on which I sat listened with feelings of
disgust while he " higgled and haggled" in that expla-
nation.—(Haar.) There was but one man on that
side of the House who vociferously cheered, and that one
man was Sir James Graham. Now, Sir (continued Mr.
Hogg), is there any human being who could read that
article without an impression that it distinctly charges
me with having been influenced by Sir James
Graham and the Government barely to forego my
duty, and to give a verdict for the purpose
of excluding from the House a person not
acceptable to them ? In a court of justice when
we seek the obvieus meaning of a libel we ask what is
the ordinary acceptation of its terms. I ask you to look
at this journal itself—to examine its comments on this
imputation upon me—and then I ask any gentleman who
has heard me read the extract if he can have any doubt
that the imputation cast on me is that of having been
influenced by the basest and most dishonourable motives.
and had made myself the instrument of Sir James
Graham in unseating Mr. Walter from his place in this
House. I ask if any gentleman could have any doubt on
the subject. I do not complain of the terms in
which my decision has been spoken. My " Nigg-
ling and haggling" has been dwelt upon, my determination
has been dwelt upon, but of this I do not complain. The
subject was properly treated by the Noble Lord the
Member for London last night, when he said. that whe-
ther my deductions were right or wrong—whether my
law was good or bad, this is nothing to the
purpose—that whether my explanation was sa-
tisfactory or not was nothing to the purpose—
I allow every one to form his opinion on these points,
and to express that opinion as they please. I confined