The Sun.
London, England, 1845-03-04 00:00:00

intenchd te - awe ; he seemed very 61,411tdr,,1
and satisfied. But the Government
tempted to make the duty dependent .e.sFece
before, and it had entirely failed. the
going to depart from this principle? if eftl,
he would give the Chancellor of the Excheclurpa
time that he might require before he info
House.
Mr. THORNELY said if it were possible t4.,,1110,
all the quantity of sugar for the supply ef tbecea
from the port of London, then it would be Pr6o4
arrive at a classification of the qualltiestdil
But as they imported sugar into the Pe,rcticto
Liverpool, Greenock, Dublin, Cork, 14'1%0
Belfast, he was persuaded that it was 3,10
All experience went against it. The Hon.
.Beverley instanced a case where Mr'
attempted to classify the suzar duiLe:
failed. Latterly it had been attempted Iry
tea, since the opening of the China trade
try. There was also the case of cotton-wool
sometime at an ad valorem duty, but that ossalt,
to answer. There was so much detention of gd
those duties that the merchants came to Lciroir,
when he was Chancellor of the Excheanerswqeaeg
of him to fix the duty, which he did. Ile c
gether to the differential duties.
Mr. HOGG was aware of the inilirae-IL
tras
making a satisfactory standard, but he d
would wait and see what the standar io tt
was intended to be brought forward' then le
-zatisractory, all well aril good; if it was not' tors
oajeeted to; for his own part he was willing 030(
he heard what the proposal of the Gever:) tb
Under these circumstances he (Mr.
that it was well worthy of the eonsiaersolor
Government. He was not of opinion Chet
coo
should thus be given up ; but, 011,„Air.illai
he would assure the Hon. Member opposn'aat,
that he felt it his duty to continue the fig
discontinue the battle, but divide the H°
serf'
again, not once, hut a dozen times if neceails ,
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCS ;ice
he was acting, as he conceived, under the, of toot'
House, and more especially under the advle' jle
Gentlemen on the other side of the El"Se.oeedt
stood that it was wished, before the Bill Pr 0;
Committee that he should make a reference pai,er:
of experience, in order to ascertain theiriosil:,..
spatting the plan that was to be pursued. d to'
servations that he had just made, he was le aos,
that he had been in error in his !VP-, ••dsi, sir
Hon. Gentleman's intention, but since rrl
been eng,ged in making the necessarfesteeddo
brokers of eminence. From what he bad tbstA
those gentlemen, he was induced to belie/evitiroi
of March would be too early a day fur TO
.Pecit
duties which they proposed into effect• but
early a day for the merchants in general, 00c?
for those whose stocks yet remained in tbegiclellic,V
warehouses. On such stocks the day wta bet,il
early, and from the statements which bel' stet
was not certain, but that on these.o,
0
duties might be suffered to re°26loot vhf
were, for another year. This oat to ,c,
when any alteration was propose(' do' td,
duties, and on the occasion of the ba
mooted last session of Parliament, eetsoco„s
that he conceived, under certain cirenne
for instance, as the present—that might__"; datiro, 0/)
to pursue. It was not merely the inig''dattsa
were to be renewed for twelve months . .scPatlo,
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the effect of the enactment, but it was daties.co, a
that the time for considering the sugar id eSI3I„
at the period when the property-tax ive.°Aerati'aite
that tax would be brought under consi"nta'oei4o
He had thought that by giving a course
would not be interfering with the due ee'reooiiica4
Mr. WALLACE said that no such hilted so
which the Right Hon. Gentleman had 51 ovate roo
in the public mind. The public were 11°14aftherae
sugar dutieswere contingent on the renew
_a sot'oat
tax. On the contrary, the public had belie 0,)
Hon. Baronet would keep his pledge, alio/01010
tax at all. He (Mr. Wallace) thought bletaer4cieol
convenient to press a division as to vi 50,1014
was sufficient notice or not. It might tbde be asail'a'4
London, but he hardly thought it Wo,nat-be
more distant parts of the kingdom. .P°4sies'ej
to protest in the most solemn manna! _bars cb
said that it was understood that those e:ioo4 old
sugar trade had any idea that the Pr° 1/.srtio
would take place before the sth of APiojesloy
practice for the last two years of her tbst
ters not to bring up the Budget before
a ft,
he (Mr. Wallace) was led to understen ,1$
course would be followed this year. , vOle,
Lord SANDON said he agreed with tho'e., jefr
the Chancellor of the Exchequer, thaw d
sugar who paid the duty upon it, ell'oore.&
Queen's warehouse, were not entitled t° 011
d lie * •
tion than thoie who paid the duty 611„ 1103 ,01;1'j
to their own premises ; but at the salt ore fro)",
opinion that all who had paid that dotes
some consideration, provided there ^ll-e re",yei.,'ltO
tended. He was also of opinion that the t`),,e'epto"
in the article shoUld be allowed a fair,- Oe'piliele
their stocks on hand. If they were ne7,el; oseef.eier
retail dealer who would lay in a new St io Pe, elf
posed alterations in the duties should tsirots,slo,l•>ao,l
ever, he did think that, under the icioroll
plained by the Right Hon. the Chanee.,'oot°,o)°,',o,
quer, the wholesale grocer had no r-callresAlPi
that he had not had notice that this Me f the 5
have been brought on in the early Perat;°,eti°,6oo4
Sir WM. CLAY thought that all eilya eon disc,
removed by extending the time. Se "-ale te1,0109,,
any Custom- house officer would be !est there 'ma
the different kinds of sugar, and earr?aat ol'oeh':011"`
classification. He meant to show '" atfb`
classification had been attempted, it :setter' alt';,
dead letter, and he thought it would
hieditiVe
it altogether.ms
Sir R. PEEL was still engaged i° l°
on the subject, which he admitted ws9ooe,';ooo
but at the same time a most difficult ato rortiv,
which be was not at present p repayese oa.o
opinion. He hoped, as the matter the
portance, that the House would pa,ssi, to whey ,
Bill before Easter. He did not "l'in" tei/oc,
by surprise, by reserving his opini°- gi,,catl
rtay
Committee on the Bill, and he WI, sejittiOhsl
r ItiP
notice of his intention of bringing aeetea.
He hoped the House would not dreWaetiters,,
tween the wholesale and the retail ufsid i. 135060
to any remission ot duty. It was.: Of 01,60444,601'd
dealers would be enabled to get o', to Poreeiti
fore the 14th of March. Now, n° soedroiliti;
yet
were abstaining from the purchase ° jjelosl6,oo
possible, and using substitutes for ift'hardf);coO et;
there might be individual cases-°` abbe its g,le
impossible to accomplish any great a ,
the infliction of hardship. id heottoti.oi ht
Mr. LABOUCHERE said he hi3,ightbecogfore
It
satisfaction the declaration of the der t
man, that he was disposed to eo°6l.osti°%estiVoil
completely the question of classol_. the Lio el:.ed I
asked the House ,to pledge itself
or'llaet,
e'reslairj;
was a subject that was most i,,,n)P had firprOsclol),,to
much difficulty as importance. Ileiassifield. bon with.
discussion. with the belief that the ei.at coo
ale' by d
was, on the whole, the best course t'af,, ll",„580
et
and that was the opinion of the late 4f.tieo isVcialca
he did not contemplate the distinu_. sof. 0919.40.
Right Honourable Baronet betweieeLla thata
free labaur sugar. He apprehn?n takialbool hod( cl
the he
inducement which Mr. Hume lidl.,te beotN,
was to meet the case of the fine recce edi bait,
vannah. As the discussion bad I),,teelesatY
if
the e' eqa bo
come strongly impressed with tan 50 10
this question. Ile believed tha
only sod 110,d,teFI
sugars of British produce was the not ehe Ole
he hoped the Government wrniii;ri beaus °AI
militate against it. He was gin cife A;
Gentleman say he would give t"eleagecl s esfe
consideration before the House ,1) forted fed j 0
subject, but he did think, after the
theeffect opo ~af!
5 5
the East India Company as to pale t c o'n P
cation on the sugars of the Ens'oen plv Ai 01
those of the West Indies, the Gore tad aot. 011
whether , P
give a clear answer,
adhere to their declaration, beenjvy tbes ads
the other question that "%reed chef
course of this conversation, be boy 01 '',os ,1
Hon. Gentleman as to the experhe .be re J., 0,1
ce whe" fa/°l'al ilual 10
back, or making an allowan ,
_et an
in duties which was supposed to,':ne, he
et'
e 0 yeriii
isting interests. At the setae t`d yet b
of 11/reelYl
with him that the sugar trade hael timebe p otiod
peculiar situation, from the untale ideal eileq
which the alteration had been m iecoi, 01
stance. He should be glad if lave th,eog 11.1;0
suffering from the change, coulee, by
givia„atil
in the slightest degree obviat
binlc it en ogj
time, though he should not t
vont, them
greatly to extend it. verY 6t of t,V
Mr. M. GIBSON thought a
oneraen ire'
been made out for the etaPr, beer Teethe
tion Qf the sugar duties.--(ll,_eatietnerle„talat,,,
place, it was clear Hon.
~ ‘,-,11 the 5:000134
classification of sugars; and
n of the et"„c al‘e ti,Sol),,r‘O
chants wished to get rid to --;1,
GP
Right Hon. Gentleman ought biefore it da
annnotficcelaossfifitchae.u. =ion. Ge..„(alev4loa
gono,use, sonttleiatieso.?o,;
it
tn
utuhdeeqrtut,bstei
come law at once. The Right ,
VlCtlna--e•
that classification was not p. pro ept;/
hear)—but said he woul
vcieral oi reed%
could not say that classilcuattuoin
~atri;(cSootiatee,
had received letters from se ,
as ever P.,pro 0,,F,
ost visionary . out ad
ted
classification was tne. to eerilted Olen $
presenting that, of all the pia" and 006 ofir
comPlic:eld °P,roi;o9
duty on such an .
han atteroPt o'o,o 04
they said it wouledxbteeni
stpl.oesasnibdle
sification, and that such
_ustom.boi,nut
0,110
virtueßomuoaumnti:rohio°un;"u3rGalel_ntilnernte:esefssivsi;
fraud, and hinted that if t)
they couldo throve ,ilOOl
measure vin°llhad sPr°sble,teallio'
more than
temptationsw ay.
T he
Rightwhi e h this
he thooacd in the `r,
pru opinionspused oufl
aCs
suisfit
men who would be nat ;70,d inn' _st 'lOO )leJ
receivet ef , tl,
emoluments, should be .
_f
the ase,
ci,ye ir 4
ployment for themselves, vith gre seer 003, ir,
might talk glibly ely.i•igncl°ayed, brow c*0)1,0',01
dill rents between whiteas
another ,0 go! inot,eo,
officers astibt the
fiett!,,,q
covado sugar, but The hope of Pei diseroerore,,lcti
effectual practice. ot the fisnresf.:‘
Mr. GLADSTONF, no afenio be t
favourable opinions of thdeisiragyrk'coi as
giber
for
ttepaile
iota
postponement with theh a course ,ae but
eetairya
105areitiiitfeot
and thought that such
the uld st °Jell
ics
sumer. It was said
o.ar refiners sorer sag nay
a serious loss not
operation at Once the su,.
ywould d the gas „
ent p°stP ttesn° a arb
ea)!
in if the Government
the grout 10,
jorect
deal, but he thought tne en' 0 c,-
onlythatot bthe reiore
in that time of year wn state .aof ,a leaso
ose n ainiee be' 00
brought forward. Sun., the beg , ace ht
mould enlo t'."
would be the result—w
maraero
on the sugar duties until 6oe hog
to the interim in th