The Sun.
London, England, 1844-03-01 00:00:00

V: the receipt.by his Right Hon. Friend of this placard.
(Sir :James Graham) immediately called the chief
°fa—.
elleti•o aTrs of of the Crown toaether, and the Lord IrelandChan-
and the Lord Lieutenant were directed
_ once to proceed to Dublin. In the meantime the
itleond placard had been issued, not altering the cha-
Nter of the meeting in his opinion, but still so modify-
tirtg the language in which it was called, as to require
ora him and the Government every precaution and dis-
cretion i
they. n their acts. The two placards, differing though
tlaY did terms, meant pretty nearly the self-same
,'"ag; and in his opinion it was mere quibbling to
.at-
,•ereat
a, I' 1,0 establish any difference between them. °He was
losed to treat one as he would the other. But not
'Yrs i
mediing to be too cOnfident in his own judgment, he im-
ately transmitted the second to the Government, to
Bay if there was that substantial difference between the
t7O that the coucoctors of them would wish the
Pablic to believe. This placard reached the Home-office
Wednesday, the 4th.,. the day -on which the Lord
tioleateriant and the Lord Chancellor were to leave Lon-
aet!'„for Dublin. It, of course, required deliberation ;
km_ue_SLord Eliot) should like to know what Honour-
we opposite, what the country at large
o Id-have said, if they had issued a proclamation to
Put down a meeting whose illegality- they could not
establish?—Hear,arly ( hear.) What would have
io,_a said of them to put cavalry, infantry, and artillery
tuotiOn and take possession of ground to hinder a.
tneetirfe
lona being held which might have been proved con-
nt with the law?—(Hear, hear.) This was a point
°Fgre t •
fok a nicety, and he felt it as such; for, as he had be-
ar bosajd, he had no doubt in his own mind of the intent
ta,._ ',Et the placards being the same ; still, what he, in
opinion
altered circumstances, had to ascertain, was the
,1111.,.'°11 which the law would attach to the second one.
atarlear, hear.) The Government, however, came to the
laalr conclusion as to the character of the two
au,„,a,rds- They determined that the intention of the
sett'o- "a_,g was not altered by the issuing of the
Mdedl nu Placard—that, in their opinion, it was de-
illegal. This circumstance detained the Lord-
thee•atetiant and the Lord Chancellor until Thursday. By
hi Post st of Thursday morning Lord de Grey wrote to
aaa tpsay they would leave by the train that evening,
directedeeti,s. him, on the receipt of his' letter, to call a
fertll., of the chief persons of the Government. Un-
-41..7 atelY, that letter did not reach him (Lord Eliot)
uaeoy:::ltitofternrintgh.e disembarkation of Lord de Grey on Fri-
A meeting of the principal officers of the
fo„ -"ment, took place that evening, and the discre •
%,,liflar,Y power which Lord de Grey had been armed
exercise
9- the Government it was. determined should be
eettlaelsted• Now, it was very easy to say a proclamation
,°e drawn up in ten minutes, but, in Ma (Lord
perr'''') opinion, all such documents, to be drawn pro-
NY and" effectually, should be drawn thoughtfully.
was proclamation was drawn up, and next morning it
sahmitted to the Privy Council, but it was nearly
twelve., o'clock before .the members could be got to-
Aleteery for the purpose of signing it. It was two before
tile.ilireelaination was in the printer's hands. The Hon.
Gallant Colonel (Rawdon), in introducing his mo-
tsa•h
' had read several letters, stating the time at which
e
anr9elardation was posted in the parts around Dublin,
funding from them an imputation upon the Govern-
wie;!‘• Now, he had two papers in respect to those letters
athe'
ich he wished House to pay attention to. The
~e
tip '', of the Gallant Colonel's evidence was of a nega-
e character. His correspondents did not see the
croelelamation posted about. Now he had a return from
0 c'ael M‘Gregor, the head of the constabulary, and
4e. of the most honourable-and able man that ever held
et, ce• With this return he had received a map of the
tolta,,_t.rY thirty miles round Dublin, marked with all the
5 v"IPal police stations. The return pointed to the
eral stations, and stated at what hours the proclama-
Li'ons arrived, and were spread around the country. At
trak they arrived at seven that evening; at Johns-
san, 'distance •of 20 Irish miles, they arrived at the
kfrie "our ,• at Bray, at five on the aturday morning ; at
to ere a distance of thirty-one miles, before daylight;
faek,elkirlidge, between seven-and eight; and so on. In
sag inounted.policemen were -diapatched to between, O
thes „, stations. Now, Hon. Gentlemen, in _Making
issa, enarges 'against abe Government. fer_delayaia:the
haeit,ng of the proclamation, had invariably keot bathe
took around the important fact, that these meetings never
the y.Place till the afternoon. The placard ordering out
repeal' cavalry did not require them_ to--muster: at I
ort7tarf until twelve o'clock. Therefore there was none
Was I,Particular inconvenience that was complained of, nor
aria 'are danger. Why, he (Lord E.) was'himself there,
eta eould speak of his own knowledge to seeing the proa!
473,a,tions in the most populous and frequented parts of!
tad 41- The 'proclamation was at the-Corn Exchange,
a was being criticised and taken to pieces there before
•e
qe a,. of three o'clock.—(Hear, hear.) Where was
iftauger Hon. Gentlemen were constantly assert-
veld at the masses were always unarmed, and the Go-
'l'll:lent had covered-the ground at an early hour with
leaays,•9rY, artillery, and infantry, and had strong . bodies'
san''s stationed in every proper place and was it to be.
unarmed people would attack' them? Govern-
":ad taken every precaution, and shown the highest
he ;7, tt,Y,.—(Hear.) Without disrespect, then, to anyone;
would assert that it was absurd to say that the people,
"saw- 'avo taken possession 'of the ground, or that there:
Ceif,„a°,Y danger of collision. The Hon. and Gallant
safe-',"e' (Bowdon) had said that these meetings were
jeowAe-valves, and that people had a right to petition.,
irlga aR 4g.oitl Eliot) saw no safety-valves in such meet-
ray,orrth-,'Tese ; 50-td he begged to say that for the nine.
"aswhich they had been going on, no pet-
he *hat had been adopted.—(Hear,;
aa) It should
to Parliam_nt..
P„,"'er 11, should be remembered,- too, that though the
4.itiriall-'"t had no moral doubt of did impropriety and'
pollt2s tendency of these meetings, such were not thelt !
Way upon which they could constitutionally act.
daanecessary they should have legal proof of their
they the peace and good order of the country before'
*aut.; °Load be in a position to put them down, or to pro-
saee of the meetings with ally prospect oft
AtCs• Ile believed he might appeal with confidence tofithet
fitY-General for Ireland, whether or not the
brs
tierce -,le'Ung-was taken the moment the Government .a- ,
affeeca they had evidence to prosecute the parties with,
i+,„ t • Al the time of the Clontarf proclamation there'
was a strong case, but not such a case as to enable the!
laete_runtent to take the steps they afterwards did take.
ai,aol7,,uld not now diverge into other topics, as there;
,(B be he other and more fitting occasions for doing so.
agaia",Ahear-) He-would-not go into the other charges!
Crtecrt". the Government.—(Hear, hear.). He had con-
he ~ lumself strictly to the'Clontarf proclamation, and;
had assure the House, notwithstanding all that
late en said to the contrary, 'that there had been no,
pi,'-°n on the part of the Government'to entrap the
'441 (Hear, hear.) He did not believe any danger i
•Droelk'eurred to any individual from the issuing of the
thigh4ll he
; and under these circumstances, he did not
the C'e House was calledupon to express its censure of
eatetatnent in the way asked for by the Hon. and
mb
kr, er.aad
Gsa,`"slßßS would support the motion of the Hon.
hey
h-'arit Member. He deprecated the course that
l'hey'r adopted by the Government towards Ireland.
kwer '9rtind,,'When the present Government came into
tqmit! Breland peaceful and quiet, and what was its
11'4 el new ? The acts of the present Government,
themecoated the feelings of the people of Ireland from
krof . s,
th„, "ARMAN CRAWFORD could•not allow some
sba:ere--4.ol3l,,servations of the Noble Lord to pass unan-
,4l-e had complained of this subject being
43a'a,,"1:°rward at the present moment, after a nine
elestic;h-tte• In his (Mr. B. Crawford's) opinion, the •
uatteCt. -41,atl now been properly raised and properly de-
oe grievances of the. people of Ireland ought
cleaafea
th was aa.d over and over again till they were redressed.
t eaotieet the meeting at Clontarf was illegal, because
°l•t stated that the parties were to assemble in a
•Inilitary array. He denied that such a pro-
ttgetaa illegal, and he did so from precedents that
siong ea Place in Ireland.. When the Orange pro-
t°°k place in Ireland, the party appeared in
114114 yet atrhraY,• they carried arms, and shots were fired,
°hie "ese meeting's were not deemed illegal. The
thePao 'U'd said- that meetings
us did not believe that a single
la'ad been got up at these meetings—was he in
WN a pile Yesterday when the Hon. Member for Cork
ye 24. them by him?—(Hear, hear.) He would
• rieaa:s oecided support to the moan of his Gallant
04 athe and he hoped that other motions would be made'
~444 e „ P6ints of the late proceedings. He hoped that
ie_c4M-.l3:sti_tutional lawyer would take notice of the. pr00ff,,,,,(11
off,,,,,(11 the Irish Attorney-General, and the insult
the '-`-` sthe Bench, thereby attacking the liberty
area bjecto t.
q B
is
anti • • ROCHE would support the motion of his
a 11
It, end, on the broad principle that they had not
'4 a similar measure towards Ireland in the pre-
-414 ease
1,111% as they would, under similar circumstances,
its MotlPted towards England. He would not attri-
ia: wahj • t
the Government ; but the effect of their
Atte
Y to lead to the worst of consequences.
taelar,',.?te Lord must know that the publication of their
• --anon
lea;worth nothing.
unless aided by Mr. O'Connell, would have
by ,4nt of s„ 'mg- And all this risk was incurred on
tt, -Nne se -rue gasconade put in the Nation newspaper
hl knob, useless blockhead. The Right Hon. Baronet
Itaelthe, as well as any man that there were such
l• a,a-4'r,, to be found in ever:), party. The Right
larnigh-tn„et,had some brainless blockheads about him
ittt,%htliyoellottuacitdetioreu,)
risAknd what was to be done with them ?
„ti V ran
not reason with them—(Laughter)--and yet
of involving the country in- a civil
that 11'A nt of a foolish thing, not done ostensibly,
c, he acknowledged by the party. He felt
incidentally discussing a question
uy
tiii-Porta,'"utY threadbare ; at the same time
eir a.b"°.e of the question was not lessened
• -tie - atm •
ilttte4 who were g it. He could assure the House that
l'tereti°n o thing to press thelrish question on the
4113, bat asst ouse, and of the people of this country,
ho thltsott the and. disinclined to do' it as
'a h,"ught the world world. But he felt bound to say that
148%4'441g '°ll- and• Gallant Officer was quite right
htta ti °4 re such a question. before the House. The
tyotatia9ae iasi).rlevied itself into this—that the Government
ewer kit land what, in similar circumstances, they
colirte nture to do in England.—(Hear.) What-
:_ s.etettirteetiAneaut:tehr,:ttatin bo.dy, then agitating the repeal of
their onaineo of Parliament might adopt—of this he
whateier might' be the number 'of
1444 01010_8, they ivonld not attempt to destroy the
ohs g throul discussion in England, without, at least,
Itisltted ga,, °l'e of the forms of law than they had
er, qae„. •eattta
•alona • ---(•u•ear.) It was this neglect of
aria d'sba- the, and the contemptuous treatment of this
Peofle ef.Enei that made him a firm
ree,„,„ „ a ~
trF trql;:r as h4";;;;I: and he should continue to be
tlit4 Md and anin and
one measure of justice
• „hat he sa_, other for this country. He thought,
eople England
there was but little chance of
• theitantaind forcing the Government
the go o
he had auestion; and having that
tioy..
_that
_..'!:•Et still but one course to
'et the
nil._ tielitierja , spite of the threats of
Eton ofu_n_
rope leas
to continue the agitation ,
tile.hrePeal as long and as ardently' as he
4144 IMO of thiConstituti6n.