The Sun.
London, England, 1844-06-18 00:00:00

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The Duke of WELLINGTON said there 0
ground whatever for the rumour which ate
Marquis had adverted to. di
The motion was then negatived without !IQ
PRESBYTERIAN, MA RRlAGE'tegf I
The LORD CHANCELLOR laid on tbe
Bill on the subject of Presbyterian marriages.
LIBEL BILL. 00
Lord CAMPBELL postponed the second
of the Libel Bill till to-morrow (this day).
POOR-LAW (IRELAND). 040
The Marquis of CLANRICARDE postP° bite
motion, for calling the attention of their Lordkehotee
the subject of Mr. Penethorn's report on Wcg.
in Ireland, till Thursday. t-11 t
The Duke of WELLINGTON said
Penethorn's report had been referred to BC'
pad
of the other House of Parliament in conseq,
some letters having been received, contradict
lug
of the report ; and when the Collor
concluded its labours, the Government wow
pared to take it.
SURCHARGESsome steps
SUNDER THE COO
ACT. The Pe,
The Duke of RICHMOND moved for „naetw
ber of surcharges which had taken place`—
Coursing Act.—Ordered.
DISSENTERS' CHAPELS 131— tea
The Earl of MOUNTCASHEL preset]
tionL s against this Bill.
ord LURGAN presented a petition in 19
giving power to the Poor-law Guardians joi.tepil
to apprentice children who had been hour
workhouses.
DEBTOR AND CREDITOR 131,11/;"
This Bill went through Committee, and
tiered to be read a third time on Friday.
INSOLVENT DEBTORS' Blu"'eaieg
Lord BROUGHAM moved the second re 000
this Bill, and proposed to take the discuesieli
next stage.
The Bill was read a second time. jL
PARISH CLERKS' REGULATION -
This Bill passed through Committee.
The House then adjourned.

HOUSE OF COMMONS, June 17'
SUGAR DUTIES. 'tl'
Sir ROBERT PEEL (in continuation) sal col'?
dioss to;
propose to make no distinction between ---aine
nies, but to admit sugar from all at the 5' ott,
but you do propose, in respect to foreign:lo6
establish a discrimination which you do
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to apply to your own. If this foreign sug'"ltsPio
worth 705., as compared with other sugars: 00Lo
admitted at the same duty,, why should Y°7ogo"ji
able, supposing there be white sugar con' Os
Java or Manilla, to compete with the sugar_trieo
precisely in the same way, as the coarsest di -00014,
of sugar, worth 565., will come into conlPet?l,4o;
the coarse description of foreign sugervi chbi.
hear.) Those, then, are the grounds upon. 4 bli
Majesty's Government do not think it wool
to vote for the discriminating duty in fa.:;°: ft
vial sugar which is proposed by my ,14,0,,". 141'0
resolution, which gives a protecting onvtentt°o,
(Hear, hear.) We cannot, therefore, es'„olto
proposal of my Hon. Friend, because, after ;(4
tion, we entertain a decided preference lell'ofit
plan. We do not think what he proposes i 5 ° 101 Ply
ought to receive the assent of this House
not, therefore, in our power to vote for it onierits,Ft.
Differing from my lion. Friend on the rtesitsts‘
purely commercial point of view, I do not:opo00
admit, on the part of the Government, tb,511,4 fill
litical grounds, I cannot undertake to saciroid ,if
My Hon. Friend, in supporting his motion, the'
,/
was no very material difference betweenhisono
posal of her Majesty's Government and b €7Ol
that he proposed, in respect to lutfi
of sugar the same amount of protecting oil
that therefore we might without difficulty oittst;
amendment of my Hon. Friend. It it beat iti
no importance we are disinclined to ad°Peenev;•
was carried by a combination of those
1701;tis:a lsl riili
support us, by a combination with our
nents. If the measure be unimportant; it, teg,'
combinations take place in support °,lo,sq
surely significant of a want of confidence.--k eif i
If you cannot effect an important public objet e, if
be no great difference in the two proposals,
_.,
quence of the concurrence between polincal el",s"4
that surely bears strongly on our condition 'Poi dro
cutive Government, and diminishes our Ineense, or
our duty. Ido not believe that the concurreeoftyl
vote was a casual concurrence, growing ott tiit,
bate. Circumstances—l may be wrong—""esii9
pression is that it was a preconcerted arrans
ti
(Loud cries of " No, no," in which Mr. 31.1ret
heartily.) When my Honourable Friend tens hol j
that is not not so I am bound to believe bins' jetni
we inferred there had been a preconcerted ll' js'
ing.—(Cries of " No, no.") Understand reLe'l,o
complaining—(Cries of " Oh, oh ")—but I lett"
to state it.—(Hear, hear.) I do not deny tot at'
Hon. Gentlemen to enter into combinations, I, tr)
a right to consider what bearing that has llPlipstooroi
siti•n of the Government when it may dete'—,
whether it lill accede to an unimportant P'",, el/
I cannot doubt the right of the two parties t:',iothi
if they please to carry an unimportant proposiaotet'd
I must claim for myself the right and manner d
seri
in what the effect of my position would be in cave ocr
When my Hon. Friend originally gave netioolq f
amendment, it was to this effect—that he'd ori
pose a reduction of duty upon British coloincrifollo
the amount of 20s.—(Hear, hear.) My Ilorettdorip,
not indicate any intention at that time of bo Jr
duties in the form and manner which he tilt s tri, i
submitted. His original proposition was, war, o'4l
tion should be made upon British colonial sogsibe","
there should be no reduction upon foreign., A dpi
Lord opposite (Lord John Russell) had Ettalt,,titsi,
which proposed that there should be a Po', tell 1
upon all sugars intended to be admitted °'sbsel.4ol
lings ; and my Hon. Friend (Mr. Miles), at,a tber`V
period, amended his motion, and shaped it int/058V,
which it was ultimately brought before the,'" oteee
..fit
fearing that the West India party, who bar ises ..iii-tY
givings, might hereafter have their olial-acitieli
against him, he accounted for his conduct hP`tl, c 0"/
the forms of the House did not admit of lliagon.;',/i
his original proposition. Now, in that reY '—inoreoft'
was quite wrong, for nothing could have been oil
if it had suited the views of my Hon. Friend-Altil
his supporters—(Hear, hear, and laughter/toe fi
him to have adhered to his original proP°'itlijousele
in perfect conformity with the orders of the I'o,
without calling forth, Sir, your vigilance, °I.„011 oil
that risk which some of the West India r big ;3
he has incurred by giving effect t° obeao,
measure. It must be recollected that 0 "I,
Honourable Friend (Mr. Miles). that 04
te
whether he would make any relaxation 11.;ber Alt
of his amendment which referred to the "'bhe ""gli,„ ;J
white clayed sugar, that his answer loam osAr j
prepared to do so.—(Hear, hear.) Now,' 11,0gerA
clined to be mortified,or to complain ofeYpas-otmil,
in the course of debate as any man. I --ges•rol".l,o
altogether forget the terms in which o?_,lntleter
(Mr. Miles), as the mover, and the Hon. ue" iPt,A
(Bailie), as the seconder of his resolud°lltbe 6e),,
this subject. I have no desire to exhinleed, 1 Pie°•l
feeling of temper on this occasion. In:: do t° At
feeling of the sort, but I cannot but axon. COX
servations which were made by the .:c1 friA
who supported the motion. My Hon. Fil'isl tO.OO r
the Government were sacrificing the c010n..0, ottJ:i
and the first proof which he gave of that porfoo'lj 0,
the reduction of the duty on foreign ivoe'to
although he admitted that that reduetiloetiete4
materially interfere with the home produc,:„o
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he said that it was a blow to the- Austrs,ll-O,YrOLf
Now I hope I shall be able to satisfy Ineifssle °or P,-I
that point. There has been a consulertoovbree ittli;
tralian wool since that reduction, and ,tipiestbe ,4
days since I was assured by an Hon. Gen' -verlio°,
on the other side of the House, that there ne 00,4,
a more brisk sale of Australian wool • thet,..oedgrel.t
had followed the reduction, and that the Pr', be,,56
Tian wool was higher now than it had beei, ..,{', to ''',,t
reduction of the duty on foreign we';‘,ies`titite
Therefore my Hon. Friend cannot not tat' trec i 1
des boot
reduction of the duty on foreign wool es, ~id ,t_eot AI
the Australian wool. My lion. Frieno 'ci es , 9
had better throw off the mask.—Pti feelirgi,
My Hon. Friend having naturally a fell°wto ullhitoslvOs
the agricultural interest, calls upon them t he si- to 0
him. It is but natural and legitimate tne opper)).4
so ; but my Hon. Friend makes a direct
c, witito tif
Noble Lord, and to these opposite who, °with tilth#l/P
and states that he is prepared to conihiiill!potehy I
the purpose of rescuing the colonies. .e 11;, 'bero,4
peal to the Noble Lord knowing that t, toverpreliv
was prepared to establish no distinction w_at.nll the, ed J
sugar, the produce of free labour, and stlf7„, : Flop,li
of slave labour.—(Hear, hear.) MY ''',;" inojess to
Member for Inverness, who seconded wao....(soceji
that our course was vacillating and tortuo° cog I'fie
and that the West Indian interest had n ot, 04
the intentions of her Mujesty's Governtatbeir stelt,it
appealed to Hon. Gentlemen opposite for
loot a tPi,‘
which was willingly granted. Now, 4 cods :1; t,
ferring from the speeches of my II"' ' rdesirP rgr,
supporters, that in their opinion it is not _ oorns 0
troduce any distinction of duty betw7lo.) yoote
sugar and free-labour sugar.—(Hear, hula ge „it,
an occasion as this it is right that I eh° whit peter
perfect unreserve, and state the reason'aetelely
consequences what they may, we nretiode<oiclit/
abide by the proposition which we firs
tiottf°,o
ing and counter cheering.) My 11°Ilif n3Y 11(139 °°‘l.l
certificates of origin are no security.. .•• wbich „e e
Friend was justified in the observations f
reign 0 4 iid
he must concede the admission of eV° frieva4l.
maintain the present system. My .i`lAs'ecerik'seet'oica
opinion that acertificate of origin was n° do not cl 411
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the introduction of foreign sugar, and the e the "Irl
holding that opinion, he can escape fr°l:ll.ea, or bet 44
that all foreign sugar ought to be adnntill. gerB ~,,,,
of duties remain as they are. The B?,1 00.0?
seconded the motion expressed in 8,w...500t r. fit
terms his opinion of the impolicy or fn 0,4,0 r,
distinction between free and slave-gro,7. shoo ~:ilk
Honourable Member admitted that ILII 0 cititig iir( '
a duty of 15s. on all foreign sugars warticto_..ipes el
applied by the Government to some P the ri, .01
There was a material difference between Fries,
of the Government and those of his 11433;t,t theiote,/
Majesty's Government have determined ;Toder It/
be the authors of such a proposition. c.orete,
cumstances, the course her Majesty's 1-lioil '
poses to pursue is this :-.—Th• Noble