The Sun.
London, England, 1826-04-07 00:00:00

HOUSE OF COMMONi.

Mr. C kali-et:tan, from the 'Treaaury. presentid several
Papers and Accounts relating to that Esteblistnent.—Laid on
the tablb.
LIVERPOOL AND M.‘NCIIESTER R.‘IL-ROAD.
• ' Oeneral IiatICOYN,E tnoved the thiTagaTd—teng of
the Liver-
pool and hltitichester amid, however.
Junk(' a few preliminary observatittas the' orkinal Dili bad
been lost in the Committee, but his cor etituanta had ageiti
brought it thrward with ACveral alterations. lite took that aip..
portunity of stating that fact, becausa saw S gt:'fq notstf....r (•,f
the Hon. Clentlenien whom Ti-' knew to be houita toahe Bill.
constituents had obviuted as moth se possible any incon-
venience that • might accrue to individuals. ' flee this porpose,
when the road flee
had been originally planned to eroaa Ftrpeoc tmd
other thoroughfares. it had been constructici that it would
pass under them. 11e was COnVirtee4 chat thole Hon. Gentle...
men knew the expenee attendant upon such exaltatione. The
question tens, whether it was beneficial to the public., arttlse
felt convinced that it Would be proved to have that tetnitn4e.
There Were Many Hon. Gemlemen who would 'say Oar the
canals in that quarter were qni,e ,nflicient for th-e trapait be-
tween tiverp,,ol and other parts of the country he, for one, was
not Of that opinion. r• . •
• .
41r.
Wo•PE EL Supported the Dill, for h4:ftlt convinced.
that it would greatly' benefit the commerce ,liverl'anl. It
had been stated in the CommitteN that since the car 171T0a the,,
trade of Liaterrnol had increased ltt a very igeat degree, anti
trustfd that it would go on increasing in (lie carne ratio.... to
make up in some .tI2CM ItTe for the diatreNS occasioned by the
late shock in the c'onimerci,d sorld. There were Many ficro.
tiemen who opposed the Bill, ti c:atiso •
ed out of their wits by the ('anal Shaer-hat r,Ati 47em
that their patks'and grounds would be luva(a • nay, he
had heard of one Oentleman who was efrajd of' rail-road,
because it would t'o through his tlinino.n,o/n.. lang,lo—
preamble had 'Ten carried by a - to 11 in /lie
Committee 611 thr Bill.
The liore.,orable STA NIX . • PO't only
wonld be a source i)ts pnali7 `,. •*1••, indivitittal
rain. The Bill had bean tor.. ~ ,• • 1, the (=all:tnt Caen.
-
((ieer/a.m.) hart star: ti theft stdoeo . 7 . ' 171011 :end'areange.
men tit-had 'wen made, ;Ind he h tt h W9uhl have
exploit:o these alteration,. Ho t Ir. Stanley) •aottld be the
last person to opprete the bill, if IL, Ltneight it would be bene-
ficial to Ireland, as had been 4tiltta .I,y an' Iron. Member. lie
was far from .hiarnino throw Irish (its' tletn.ea' 'who tried to ad-
Vance the interests of their country,' but he dallarne them when
they took mere assertions for facts, to,d Canna itown to the Moose
to advocate a cause they knew very little.otaatit. lie saw no ad-
' vantage to be gained by this road ; urt Ott; COrtl,ritry, it will tre-
hind the other roads of the gam:lnvention itf Paint of celerity •
cnitveyanCe. It was intended to earry gooda from Liverpool
anti Mancheater, at the' rate of 3 tinker an boor, and that too
by means which he thotaght had beel,,e4Pftided.: it was
deZamntaelln::eYtn'.!aavt:l7tridloahrt..ci:rt,e,:,,tni;ll:llite'.: Ilirillineltil‘te‘:elitc,i't.tehivicotericiwrreittriattcoot:pfitrherenrii*:4ttl,.
"'ad waa 9.4. ca. pee ton, while tire .-etvie by the catnal was,
100, 3id., which inch-ailed a charge -.1 it. oid. per ton for
warehouse-room, carting. titc, r 0114 chatee deducted from
the first, made it tes.adoanLthe •rail-tAtl. The fail-road.
inn- (rt;
~,,,iltatehEeattiltrittireThiftri:iyiet.•iva;°irfretried,was inititli4neri;eitmotitibt;3:t7ii4'7:l;
te
quite sufficient. /le
olnutttlit:slitt:t!'irut'eeiti,eittl-ni:i)lo4tttitii:l3.h.e-stiittitt'tr;°lljofilat-t;ridfP'n:gawY(rt°ll;atia;int:n''•it.tece[n;ltivry "tittly!,l;,kerek,iusutiellho: pox,
itirtave44-.
t.
naree'nat;,di ar2al,l.)..nr7tldealwe7hey:ll t term ''
s orie4t'
tlhne
celehrated engineer of that wile), the whola,expense of the
Uhdertakinff'would he 510.00liki 'and by t. tI. S.) Cott ,thew,
that the gotta eeqeiaite to reran:pence 11 individuals fur the de-
teriorntion: of their lends by this road, no leas a sum than
84,0000. wee demanded, It was the ditty of Parliament to look
into ttny scheme submitted to their inepertlon, whether it was
ioternbai fiir public advantage or individual viTioluMent. lie
contended that nothing had been made one to euthoriaa orlia-
merit to sanction such a proeeeding, and he watilti therefore..
move that tbe bill ahoold he read a third time that day 0 montha.
Sir I. COFFIN oppoeed the ./301 Get the ground of there
being sufficient accommodatiorrat present' by mean. 4 of the
t:attals.
The Amendment was then put from the ('hair.
)Ir. IltlitiKISSON thought it rather atnueual for the 1/tin.
Member who. had opportunities of attending Committee, on
Rills, yet refralaed from so doing. and then cane down and
opposed the third reading of those Bills.
Mr. STAN LEN' expleintd. „
Al.r. II I..',SKIssoN could not fotow the armaments_ toted by
the Bon. Gentleman, but he would it biTTI one quentiona slid
the Canal Shareholders intend, to limit their profile to ten cent.?
The elaoaaillat lee wae acqttainteti with nt the. Bill, stated
that the Shareholder* intended to limit their profit to tea per
cent.—( Hear, hear !)---1-tettnantht the rail-road wapiti nut pay

tALCRAFT said, that the Bill made a cruel encroach-
ment on private property. One individual, Mr. Tuite, would
suffer grievously by the canal, which was to cut through eight
of his farms, to divide his residence froni the parish -Church,
and to obstruct the passage to his house; The lion. Getitleman
who supported the Bill was.interested in the Kennet and Avon
Cared, and no.adequate ground was shewn for the expediency
of going into a Committee, upop the Billet all. As to its pro-
motieg the union between •i tatol and .London, lie would say
that the intercourse of those citiee• was on an excellent footing,
and as perfect as need' beat present. He conjured the House
to put an. end to the spirit of: teniculatiott which disturbed the
property of Country. Gentlemen.
BRIGHT supported the Rill as facilitating the convey.,
ance'ofcealseehelk, and peat..... The eight farms of Mr. Tuite, ,
which it wee said would be injured by the canal consisted of nut
mere than 850 acres, so that they did not much exceed 100 acres
each, !aid were therefore not so considerable in point of extent as
one might be led to imaenine on' hearing them named as eight
farms.- They would in fact .be quite as good i'or all the
.pur:.
poses a occupation, after the establi,hment of the Canal ashee
be-
fore, measure,the north
of the county ,
' he wisof'opalnion:
Ilants,a wouldn (tineotti o
tine
highly ur Ai!
t
county of Berks.
Mr. MA BLItLY thought it right that the-!louse should be
in possession of the real tali; of this case. A Bankrupt Canal
offered to make out a case of utility and to prove it to the wit-
faction of the House. Now, if such a case had been nettle out,
he conceived that the suggestion raised upon it ought to be
adopted, no matter from what source it carne. Brit in the pre,
sent instance the fact was the direct reverse. No case of utility
whateeer was made oot, and on the contrary, the balance of evi-
dence was in favour of the present Thames Navigatima. It
would therefore be altogether unjustifiable to interfere with prin.
vete property,
. . measure.
Mr. Alderman WOOD strongly opposed the. The
Corporation of London, he said, had laid out 2.02.000/. on the ,
improvements of the Thames Navigation and he hod the'
words of one of the,most opulent residents of' Reading for the
fact, that that navigation, could not be improved: He therefore
Moved that the Report should receive ite
'Mr. 'l'. WI LSO N argued against the inelistir the ground
cif :he adepacy ofihe Thames navigation. and the impropriety
of interfering with private property,, unlegs a very strong ease
indeed was made out to warrant such interference.
Sir T. LETHBRIDGE admitted that some privtte intent-
yetinmee might arise. but certainly not that description of in-.
Foovenfence which should weigh against a measureOf etent and
general, utility—one which had been under consirlerarion so long
back na.since the year. 1704—and one which went to serve ma.
teriailp the commercial interests of Ireland, Bristol, Oath, end
the Metropolis. He also insisted that' it appenied,-eyert upon
the sheaving of the worthy Alderman, that man teditfirolties yet
to be. overcome before the Thames Net igation could
be brought to perfection.
Mr. ST. 0011 NT Nita/MAY opposed the Bill. •
Mr. Alder Man THOM PsON observed that many persons
had been induced to advance their money on the security of the
tolls of the navigable Part of the Thames, and the consequenee
Of this Canal being epithet into effect and operation, Would tie
that these erediture must lose a Considerable proportion of that
secutita oieie the faith of which they advanced a very large auto
of money trout time.to time.
The Heuse then divided, when there appeared—
Foe bringirig up the Report •

• Against it 7 •
Majority against the BM - —lO
lIISHOPRIL:K OF bUItIIAM.
On Our re-admission, hlr.Secretary PEEL wad addrissing
the •14iiiiittle", for the purpose of obtaining permission to bring in
irtimetlhitely a Bill, to remedy certain inconveniences in the
administration of Justice, arisisto out of the demise ofthe See
of Durlitim;siiil preventing the recurrence of the same in 'More.
On the occasion of the demise of the Bishop of Durhion, it ap-
Peared to.be tlx law now, dust the ministerial officers of Justice
in tile totinty Palatine of Durham, were ipsoffteto pat out of
Ofree. Insomuch so, that at the present moment there was no
Slteritf, no Jury could. be sworn, and no Quarter Sessidus held.
!This was so great an interruption to the public Inisiness of the
county and the administration of justice, that it was his inten-
tion to introduce this. evening a bill to place in these respects
the t hitinty of Durham on the smile footin,• is other Conntiett
of England, so that such OffiCers shall be entitled to hold their
situations for ti :terrain period. 'He Was not prepared.to say
that the
,ptesent administration of- the 'County should remain
untouched, or in its present "state.' On' the 'contrary, he only
-thought it fittirig that,the fientlemen of this County should, as
in ;uttitr, Cdtinties, perform those ministerial officers themselves,
iiiiireati of allowing them to be Ailed by persons not equally
lie should, perhaps, shortly submit to the House
otine remedial and !,,enertil measure with referer.t.•e to these
PpOinttneritis ; and rue of its principal features would consist
of a regulation, that the 'Judges -should select three names,
ivhitds they,stiould report to the Bishop as fit per Sons to fill the
office of :•,iteritf, from whom the 13iabot) should select pne to fil
that othee. 1
'in answer to an obServation from Mt. Nteugt.as CAL-

.Mr. Secretary. PLEI, Maki he did not anticipate an? dlr.
ficulty in the athingement, a it affected the jottrests of the
individuals hitherto cligible—all the office was not one of
ernuiunient.
After a tew words from Mr. ELL:cal,

iIUAIE said it was hi4h time the whole system of the
administratiOn of the County and Bishopric of Durliani should
be reviNeti and remodelled. It :vita a disgrace to the Etablishtd
Church that this Bishopric should possess such enormously dis.
proportioned fur is as it now:postressed, where Rule was no ra-
tional ground for such an unjust preference.
. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER having inti-
mated to the House that it was necessary .for the public conve
nience that the Bill should virile into inimedilite operation, and
that he theteMre hoped the house-would not object to the Bill
going through all its Stages that evening.
The Bill was read a first ILO second time, committed, and
ordered to be teed it thirktitec, ifikigrotrsed, The same night.
• PRESIDENCY OF TILE BOARD Ok"f RADE:.

the-House went into a Coalmine on the Civil List Bill.
he(aa)'vtnite,:lll:(finitAlpittNlin,C;lfeelftlltiOch,
alittlniorAlr'N Itt,:',/oli,E.lrtaghwelitE:exltta:titjte;il;nl:itt,d;
the Bow, to th.:,..l'.uutniti of the otf;,..ei of I rettident of the, Board,
Uf `nude. Preview-1y the affairs of this country, in A ecti,
inercral poin: t.t view, were managed by a Board of Cora.
ntrr: e,ai.iny of which body enjoyed aeht„tie,. In the
year
wl2, tedy fell oeneatit the lash of AIL Burke's ridicule,
tend t:ucli tits its elli.vrtbat the ISoard was abolit,hed. The
interestN of this country, however,• were too ins-
), e tto be neglected, and .Iloard of Trade was established
tor that porpette., die l'retitlent mai N'ice-Piesident of the Board
pot,titeytt:g fit;)' In siretet.to remedy the irxonvtrriertec
v .

sustained, in consequence of this arrangement, it nail been the
prOctice to give the situation of PreSident to toene Mein tier of •
nis Mitiesty'm Government, who heldwseasm,ettatictiltieedr,sbit:aatisolroyf
'emolument under the Crown. In his Mind nothing could' he-
[lave improper then paying for the serhveicteiselodfnartitto::nerne
e time,
ifisiciiierteitneovlsleerdteifr,bnes."l,,ihetiiclasseadlit °l.lt'tipfni!orteopelniathis!n:e:ret?ayti°:winaii.ut7huuttialtaiclifit:iihkeh)n:netEhyeWStee:laShlicik.iti.:YUasgleiTdefllWPteir:i
et)llllVii !fie. :is] Teedvete:l t):tirl tdc tzubwher;:eito:to't!.
resolution, that a salary of 2,040/. a year should be attached to
the office of Vice-President. 'There was, he mutt say, nO,SL, '
tuation in his Majesty's Councils which required more devotion
of body and mind, more information or intelligence, than the
situation of President, now occupied by his Right Honourable
Friend; and having said so much of .the offs e, he must, in
neerejuetice to the individual who filled it,.eaY that, as far es be
was capable of forming an opinion, the tersf nould not be-fillede
by a man of greater seal, perseverance, K bijrxl intelligenceeor
firmness of mind.—(lAtud cheers.)—He felt the more pleasure
in being able to say so, as the general conviction on most per-
sons' minds of his capability, bed inspired himeelltMre Robin-
sene and those who felt with him, as to this expediency of a veryits Tneelost alteration in' out cmennercial policy; cldd not haven
Lserr ettempted at a more reetunate ethos:, when the more Elbe--ee
rid measure., prdWeaseti were confided to the charge of one whose
name had been exerted so satisfactory to the public, and so
much to the benefit of his country.—((heers.)--The Right
Hoe. Gentleman concluded by otovieg, that a salary of 5,000/.
per annum be paid to the President of ti:c Board el Trade ter
the time being.
31r. said lie had no objection to the grant to the
present highly gifted individual, whilst. he held the office of
President of the Board of Trade, but he war anxious to know
whether the salary of 3,01/01. a year, now payable to this Right
Hon. Gentleman, was also to he enjoyed by hint whilet he held
both situations ? or was the salary of the Treasurer of the Navy,
now paid fur doing ahnost nothing, to be reduced to something
shout I,OUul, a year, a snin which certainly was equivalent to
the full value of the services required of the Treasurer of the
Navy. The reduction of this salary might thus very properly •
form a part of a fund frain whence the new salary was to come,
but he could not consent, in our present coriunercial and manu-
facturing embarrassment, to the creation of a new salary, unless
it were subtracted out of the amount oils Cued created' by the
reduction of sinecure eider-les.
The CHANCEI,LCHt of the EXeff EQUER said, it never
had entered his mind, or that of Isis Right. Hon. Friend, that
he should hold both situations. 'llls Right lion. Friend had
been, it was true, agent tOIIC time for Ceylon, but that had
been given. Satisfied as he was that the situation of Treasurer
of the Navy, however, was not overpaid, a reduction had already
tfin aken place in the amount of that salary from 4,000/. to 3,41001.
1818; and it was intended that a remit-knee at the public 'ex.
pence in Somerset House should no longer be attached to the
Treasurership. The faireet principle of remuoeration was,
that it should be alweyst mode in a proportion to the responsi.
bility of the office. Ile would remind the House, that whilst a man held this office he.could not make an investment of his • own. property, unless he obtained his quietus or acquittance • from a Public Board who were to invest his public accounts.
The principle attempted to be laid dust ii by the I lot. Member for 3lontrose was altogether objectionable, nor ought the liouse
when viewing the services of an individual like the ,President
of the Board of 'Trade, to regulate its proceeding somewhat. •
after the manner of a Dutch auction, or limit remuneration
for positives until he could cut and carve out steerage in one
office or another which should be equivalent to the proposed
remuneration.
Mr. ('A I..CRA k"r subscribed to the opinion, to generailly
prevalent, that no Seirant the Crown discharged his duty to'
the State with more ability or integrity than the -Right lion.
'President of the Dotted of Trade; but he could not but look.
with some suspicion on the mode now adopted by the -Right
Hon. Gentleman for creating,a new well.paid office of 5,060.1.,
which the Minister could present to any Political friend or adhe.
rent. The whole truth was, this was a cover for increasing the
patronage of the 31inisters at. the Crown, and, should therefore
!be regarded with suspicion. There were other reasons why. he
',hetet' be indisposed to accede to the Resolution. There was
nothing incompetent in the performance of the duties of both
situations : in fact it was only necessary the person should re-
side in town. Mr. Secretary I ientlas had, when actually Ali-
nister of this; Country. fillet! the office of Treasurer of the
Nevy. Indeed of so little import was it thought who tillrt.f• dust post, that it had even beesi filled by tht' Speaker of the
House of Gammons. Unless, therefore, the itf-solutions were
differently sloped; so as to obviete Isle objections to it in a con-
etitutional point of view, he 'Wald certainly opposes the Rem).
lotion when put to the vote. '
Mr. ROBETSON s.dtl he regretted to find that this motion • had been brought tin this evening without clue notice. The eon-
ducfof the President-of the Board of Trade was not in his opt.
Ilion such as should induce the House to sanction this resolu-
thin. He saw little wisdom in it and certainly no novelty ; fur
he had taken most of his hints from his political opponents --
Indeed it was altnoet impossible for . him not to suspect some.
thing emistewhen he thund that Right Hon. Gentlemen in June
last recorrintentling the incorporation by charter of a. Silk- Come
parry, which was altogether a fallscious :scheme in his mind.--
ern whiels that Right Hon. Gentleman appeared moment its
patrons and !subscriber*. Now if this wee taken conjointly with
the fact, that the lion. Member for 'Taunton wait also a. sub-
scriber to this scheme, and soon lifter was discovered voting'
dird the Right lion. the President of the .Board of Trade
should have an enlarged salary, then he 'nun confess that his
sespectedthe probable profits of the Company might have the
grant of a Charter so tinpreeetiented.
Mr-BARING should nut take the slightest votice of what
had fallen from the lion.. Member opposite am to Isis qwn conduct
or motives; but la! was particularly anxious to bear testimony
to the ability and intelligence of the Right lion. Gentleman
who wile the subject of the Resolution. Ile never witnessed‘a
case in which the liberality of the country' would be better be-
stowed than in the cageof the Right Hon.. President of the Board
of Trade. On the other point he should. only observe, that the
establishment oldie Silk Company by Charter was expected to
render considerable service to some classes of the community,
particularly, its Ireland. To that *chortle he heti been induced to
lend Isis natne and a subecriptionof2ool, The Right ilon.Oentle-
man alluded to had not even subscribed, but through benevolent
motives lent his name tot a Member of Government. '• What
common object of pin could both have had when one haute
:share and the other a &here so very small. Beside., he could
pledge himself' that be never had spoken. to the Right Hun.
Gentleman on the subject of the Silk Company. As respected
his own feeling, he certainly could not entettein nn oitjeetam
to the resolution for•a moment. The abolition of sinecures he
bad always advocated, but he mill felt strong)), the nereseity'ef
paying liberally all efficient officers of the Crown: This ob.:
elided the possible interference out of doors :that these were of
that rinse which tended to .ewelt the .liets eineeuting. He
hoped the Resolution woithi be uttered so far as io let the Right
Hon. Gentleman receive perhapa2,ool. 'a year salary as Tree..
Nwtlirliectzl nwn4d3,lO u
14 fprlifl a
nb tir a:,
ob y
ia Prt e eta ildoebnitr
cot t
io' e Boaid of Trade,
31i. Secretary PEEL believed if the debate' of that Hnute
tweet not Abroad it would be unnecessary for him to appeal for seri:tenon of the charge which,lind' been levelled against hia
Hight lion. Friend; to any thing else than the smile of won-
, der and incredulity with which the Cotntnittee hud . heard it,
when made. For his part, he vetendered tite Hoe: .3lernber
was not ashamed of hirmself when rising to make Stich ate
unworthy imputation against a man so remarkable for his in-'.
tegrity, mildness, forbearance and ability. And yet euCh Wes
the linen whose morality the Hon. Gentleman would intprecli.
Ile. was anxious the House should accede to the propontion for
granting the eulary of 11,0001. to the President of ' the Soave'.
of Trade,' even h they 'should concede it un a rendition that
the details of the grant should be debated herettlier 4 or if the:
House should reserve ten hitch' the decieitm as to whist Shoultt he
done relative to the income of the future Tree:aster of the Navy.
Mr. 31. i BLit IN Was satisfied that the alike tnf Prestident of
the !toad of vrratte required die undivided attention tif a 1711111
of the .hightett falentß in the country. That the Right Nen
ilentlemen wh tin
o ed:that Situation low was such ;
wee tee:slued by every. otit: hi the llue'e eith tbe ex•
ceptens of the lien. Mereher, for OramPoura. repelled
I. Bk.;IINAL ecerettcd the Reeohitivo had kornire wotikt
' (tie c't -
whets dim wee r•, thin en attendanee of 31ctobr0)1 „wawa
vote tor the me us.: *Lin great is.eatwe,or
efive
tientletrein'wtsuld pletigi. t. to a Ift.threl.c:oc.lo'l3;toe'the
TM:II4I3I'U of the'r'eat Wee ttieit,ter a
Navy be kept at the hetse of 1...nkh0 1
et now diiikbareteti
being thostelooveti cleric pus
,roo, litini,or for iv 47,_
by the - 'lreemurer. Lit' felt ...en ;:e,
hate, that otherwise they wenitutiltrg,77.,,v
otk.c. Tta. "2'o Predetelet them of theit cottetitsitionne
diutely /I:llerchlti.3 aught yet

.. . „
totifiy of the influence of
,the crown, or render them less vtgl- os, giving notice of the particular Acts to which Resolutions of
t as guardians of the public purse. Committees were to refer.
Mr. PHILLIPS warmly eulogised the Presidentof the Board The liousa went into Committee, the Resolutions were
of Trade, particnlarly with reference to the principles of free agreed to, and the Report ordered to be received to-morrow.
trade, by which his policy was guided. He cordially concurred The Committee on the Excise Acts Consolidation was post-
in the motion. , poned to Monday next.
Mr. CALORAFT still thought that by givingadditionalp.. The Annual Duties Bill was read a third time, and passed.
Renege to the Crown they would create great dissatisfaction in The Insolvent Debtors Bill was re-committed.
the country. He would not treat the question as it had been The ATTORN EV-GENERAL said that the object of the
treated by others,. as a question of personal compliment or in- Bill was to continue the former Act, and that the alterations were
dividuel popularity. fleconeidered the office of President of limited to details, and did not interfere with the principle of the
the, Boor& of Trade as a Cabinet Office, entitled to the remu- former law.
neretion of 5,000/. a year. Rut his objection to any increase of The-several clauses, with • some verbal amendments, were
patronage was so strongly founded on principle that unless a tigreed to, and the Report ordered to be received te-morrow.
-Pledge was given that the office of Treasurer of the Navy The Aliddlesex Turnifike Trust Bid was referred to a Select
should either be abolished or greatly reduced, he would resist (lominittee.
the proposition in every possible way. If such a pledge was The SherifFof Durham Bill was read a third time, and passed.
relesed, he should be impressed with the opinion that tire ob. The other Orders of the Day were then disposed of, land the
ject really was to find an office for some friend whom they had House adjourned at II ALF-PAS'V TEN O'CLOCK.
a diffie ulty in providing for. lie believed the office of Tree- --='----""*""'"'"-`4"---,*•'-''''"•"""--"'"'"-:".----
surer of the Navy Might well be abolished. Both Mr. Rose TIIEItEV EN U E. . .
and the present Treasurer had held it in conjunction with other
•
edict ofnnieli labour rued impertaricc, which proved its duties -easaws
%ii. ifteny, to be exceedingly light. No. I.
'Air. ROBERTSON inveighed against the principles of free Abstract of the Net Produce of Me Revenue of Great Britain,
trade, and repeated his objections to the motion., . p
111 r. LOCKHART inquired if the effect ortittaching a as. in the Years ended sth April, 1825, and sth April, 1826,
lacy to the office, which the Right lion. Gentleman now held distinguishing the Quarters.
ut:hout totlaty, would be to vacate hie seat in that House.
The CFI A NCELLOII. of the EXCH EQIIEIt replied, that y, „el y„ eepe CI. mr,..7)-d sioeteece
the Act would merely give power to the Crown to pay this ;PI ° ZS3 9,"
g 5 •8
...;., • a ~ . g..
'Pe 1 '8,.... ee st cs-e'- 7' •-•1-
salary. It need not immediately be given to his Right lion. .,,e(g .-e
.'4 F '''' Li = • og, ..g a
Friend. On a similar occurrence, with .respect to himself, ,it a:g R. (f. 5 '5. t-er' g H 35 0 u
had been thought hard to send him back to his constituents, and t ir,.' t-3 t'' g q Prlt t.'. ' v..g 0 . .
a clause was Jntratiticed into the Act enabling him to retain his • ei etc., a Ia.:: a aee E.,p,, -, F''' .
mt. With respect to the office of Treatturer of the Navy, i%
..., g ;;.4, 0 e. ~0,41,)e. • :jog:-•
~i 4
duties were of great irriportance, and he did not see the posst- 2; °'. V •-,7%.-c, g.,9,... 5- 5..5 t , , ,
.... 0 . .
bility of abolishing it. If its duties were transferred to the 5-52 LI g .ci ce g
• Paymaster of the Navy, his labour and his importance as a ' e.-' 0 5 -4
5. 5 sig.; S" 5..% '
.... - er 0 ts ,e, ~ e,„ . t„...-j . 2.. ?. s , ,
piddle officer would be so much increased, that 1000/, per an. ..c a. • .... `•C t2i d g
num would be a very inadequate remuneration. There could clee ies II ~, 0 t= 0 El, s
not be is greater error than to suppose that the duty of Tree, ... CP 0 I .41 9, r... .ti i
. '4l =i" S tr.
surer of the Navy was like that of a banker, merely to pay g a ,g, 4 •2- Pr 8 "
. ....,,,,, _
....
checks when presented. The duties were various and kn. 1-1 ti::', 0 = .-. 1:•1 5 ~,i . 4e. . . i
0 ~,,,, 0 I • 6 I (16 ..t I
portant, prescribed by thirty or forty different Acts of Par- 4 c,._ Bt. - a 0 3 a .
Lament. ss El . Ell -s, 2 "
n ,„ P.•-•
r . ~.ii • II I C).-11 0,05, ,
.14 r. HUME-Consolidate them. o 0 v• 4 On
The Cll/1 NCELLOR of the EXCIIEQIIER-True, the ee n
Acts might be consolidated, hut still the duties would remain. , Et; 6. „, , . ?sl'. .•• iii .I .
4
To transfer these, duties to any. other office, would be, in fact, so a
~ o , g E
• g 4e'' Er • i
merely to abolish one office, an.l to create another. With respect ; t
re
te the salary, that tees open to I'ailiament, as it was voted n
..annually ; and although the vote had been taken for this year,
...
c_ 1
.....
the salary might yet be opposed when the Appropriation Act ... so cc l:1 .... .... .-. 0. ti e:
was before the House. He would say, however, that if the I,e-, . "cnee'le 'k e le
re. Vle .:1? Et 4t_
House were to offer a Salary' to this office under the impression :, :•, 5 3 ::::; 7
,•••• 1 't 7.4 a I
.P to t 5......vp ee V ti .1. c
that it at all approached to the nature of a sinecure, they would "we -= el ate t le ee ee-o4 .r,"5:!, F 1 lele"ce ..er
• 8 t=tr', ee 8 liF; .5-rel Z .I. t:. 8 dsel.
do the gr. otest posnible injustice.
111 r. It. Gannon spoke a few words which were inaudible in S
the gallery. ea CA ........1 GI ..
Con 14.
......4 c,.; g
Ir. T. WILSON could not acquiesce in the vote, when he - -eeeeee, -= 1:s al es tol-lo '&," 0
considered the present state of the country. As it had been eto 2ts t,-,, -ti
.v. 1 7.3. r.,., si:7v, 4 ,%' ze, Is .4 .0
passed by last year when the sun was tanning upon them, he -,e, -e..eeele -= 10 ;0. -c, e, ,s,,le 14, vl,O 'bee!ee • 0 g
thought the present moment very injudiciously chosen for tine ,te4 ft, :el le,', S; S; „cf, 8 3 i.c, ,3". . ... . ! 3.. g .8 . , isz g; ~- ...
introduction of such a measure. lie would not object to a vote 'l,, ' S
of 2,000/, per annum to the President of the Board of Trade, ,-
7.: ~.,
3.4, lit '-'... ;
which, together with his present salary as Treasurer of die Navy, .et° .P 10'. raf.ic,'' ~...- GO ra
'-
would Make up the 8,0001. •-•.1 -a
ti'r. V =4.- 1-:j
M. CA LCRA FT could not agree to go further than the ••r* :'" • .2.-- 'l' 5-3 .-."' .14 le, . -c".. - e.• o
, .r.. •••,/ 1::, C.', 1, .
Hon. Member for the City. So far ire was willing to 40. ~. ,I,..‘'N a P.S. -9 S •-• s 4 al -t• 4, :4 sn 4 4
Ca v-P ttl v.; Cr. It, :A t,rs ... 14.• Z.: = . tll4 .7 .....
Mr. 1113311.; could not agree with his Hon. Friend in think-
ing that they were warranted in adding a single thousand to
('-'
the! annual expenditure of the country. Ile should move as an '5 es z !,:, S ....p. 5....
.... 5.
amendment to the motion before the Committee, that "in the 1. gv,.- ... ,-:F..
.... en en . .V.A :rte=l F 9 ~-,.
opinion of tide Committee his Mojesty should be enabled to pay re a,I. SE to .... i ... 03 t .4-.4,1.-4 371 y. 71 -.Z..-j
a salary of 5,000/. per annum to the President of the Board of 'Se; 1'; al Or .gg -1.2 b -5... , CO la, fz...t:"2 I
Tratle,• and that it was expedient that en inquiry should be in, "4 C' "CQ '-'1 a-' '-, Or to C` C 4 .C.i 4"n tt C'".l ' 4
11;itUted to ascertain whether any of the Offices now existing can ewemoss.w....-sowseeiewsww.weeeesswies.....m"*- los
be abolished or modified so as to effect a saving of that sum." se. .... sa ,it. oC,• • AO ....• •
Sir P. OhIMA.N BY stated, that the duties of Treasurer of -P '""l'u ,
.'° CQ ......F. °'r" `o . ~,, 2
the Navy were very important, and objected to the house being ri 12,.:F. -iv g*" I lei py, ~r „, ~ ~ a
z Illi 4 Iti rili
-taken away from that Officer. e e Pi- ie, .. _ - - -- - P.
•Mr. 'BARING observed, that the question had got into a F, k62Olito 17: --," -'4Z a ''' 'C'eleg BF. r-: °." E-
-6 gr..F.F,-.00.tz to-6A -4,
most unsatisfactory state, and suggested the expediency of the i -'4"l*- ''''
Right Hon. Gentleman withdrawing his motion, in order that •
the subject, as fur as it related to the office of Treasurer of ,_, - the Navy, might be re-considered by 31inisters. eo le .-. ea otse la pee,-
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCIIEQUEIt said, that. if it r 2 14 4, i: ... N a 'Spiel: 7, ~...5.
the offices of Treasurer of the Navy and President of the Board •L'''' ...e.,,e-Pe, r e,,,, c.l I i"-,,,! '4'..,.15,4 ' ~"---',..t4,F.Lr. ....4.:11: P4..0-...
of "Prude were necessarily connected, there might be something 27' E. -46, ~..- V, i 1-- . F - - 11- 8- a- - - I.` " -4- § s 4--. .. - - - -
~,..
in the objection. He did not think it wise to aseurne that the
President of the Board of Trade was necessarily to hold some
I.4tr. :4 ee
-other office. The question now before the Coninintee was simply c.. 7 itr 1-•• = r.., 11 /..4
that relating to the salary fit to be attached to the office of I're- - af'o•,,e'D 7-ee ee 'e,l ... ...-tteti a ee."-ki *9O .0
sident of the Board of Trade. lie bud himself been the first in P; 14 04 it,' .t% ......--1 Va ''..P I I •-' '...F....s- ''''. 4" °'' l'ee P• o
wbeee person the two office?, in question haft Amen united.- Ife V'' t•.' ?.;''',4'..!. t U. '-e. ""--.1 'l;gl..%'s'-it--. t 1e......b1re ' i i
hul not lad the House into the tilificulty which the lion. Gen- "" c' '''''"- ''" •-•-,' '' . **- c) '''''''' `-' ""' "4' ''l .
1
deroan supposed to exist. Ile knew no other course he could g
'EI have pursued, unless he had been prepared to aflinu that the `
ee''
se so .ZJ P.
Ir. b N ,- ~.. cy.
two offices were necessarily connected. He perfectly recollected k -r kt IS la .2- 'tcrot.) ."; t.. a,
that last year an objection to this union of* office was echoed .- E ''''' ''''. 'l' 1 5- " i Lil 4 .M"''' t4g' r-
..p..,... ....
,CO :Fs -.lee le .e. re, 0,
from every part of the House. " ea les .v ze "es el .P. tIA 1., ;.R''s-si? ''
:5..14:._. 1 0
Mr. Bral4loE called upon the Chencellor of the Exchequer t 8 '.4 Sri 8 ~:71: V A 5 *tii i." 5 s 's I q
. too
to glee a pledge that the office of Treasurer of the Navy should
undergo Parliamentary revision.
i.c ....cac..,
Mr. R. SMITH eontended, that as they were about to dis- P., ''':: ....C:b '''°
e ... .. „.., E.•
1.• ge,
unite two offices, it would not be decent to leave the whole kS I'd ,s,:e---, lle,„ ,42 1 ...I w t ,„.-j1 /E. ,„n2.
salary, which had hitherto served as the retnuneration for both, t-4 tears,
ti id- "A 1.2 '57 le '2 ge leeesr,e_s_ r',4
to that office which was confessedly the least onerous and int. Si ..*,i' s. ti s s. tr. V:....! .... 35 3513 -a . 0.„ ,
portant of the two, whilst they attached a large salary to the esemeseenee lIIIIN
other. He thought the amendment of the Right Hon. Member ~,, .... ~,, e„ les
i.e.- , Pel
for Montrose too general. He supposed lie could not move an --1 .141*t
~*".4 '4l ..-ss, or.-sp, i.,- 9
antentiment upon an amendment, or he should have been glad 12 to' Z a ,54., ,11 lr.
g-1 Mt P". '4
11"
to have confined the inquiry to the expediency of abolishing or -:- etee,„'"; -7- t,' '-= - .e. - - 1'1:0 ' ts'.'"" -. a
modifying the office of Treasurer of the Navy. Ile had no it F.. , I a 1. . ? g §5l 4 gat k 4111 •1" I:
hopes of picking up 5,000/, a year by, the rambling Inquiry ......'-' 14 '''' I I-- '
proposed by the Honourable Member, but if they confined the
Inquiry to the office of Treasurer of the Navy, some good No. 11.
might resith. Abstract of the Net Produce of the Revenue of .Great Britain,
Mr. MA DER Isf.: V thought. that as they were all agreed on
the propriety of the vote of 6,0001, a year to the President of in Me Year: and Quarter: ended on the sth of April, 1825,
the Boer(' of Trade, the Right Hon. Gentleman, in order to and the sth of April,lo26, Mewing the increase or Decrease
pqmrre the urtointity so desirable on this occasion, should on each head theregf.-(For which see TUE Styx qf yeller.
,v some satisfactory pledge with regard to the office of Tree.
maser of the Navy. day.)
Some conversation here occurred between Mr. R. Rerun and
Mr. Biwa nes, on the point of order in respect to his proposed •• - No. II t.
aincodment. •
..

itTcuarr, Mr. Male, and air. R. SMITH,
rally explained.
Mr. Secretary PEY.Ii thought it would not be creditable to
the character of' the House of Commons to make the reduction
of useless offices eAmtingent upon a proposed increase of salary
to A particular office. if it was thought expedient to increase
the salary of an office,, surely the country was rich enough to
lard the expense. Viihatever might be the fate of the amend.
meat, it Was a ronsoNtion to reflect, that the last opportunity
-of enquiring into useklai offices would not have passed, as he
saw amongst the notices of motion, one" by the lion. Member
for „Montrose, for a general enquiry into useless offices and sine-
cures, and lie could not but think that the Hon. Member when
be gave the wilco before Easter, had a better idea how his pur-
pose might be moat advantageously pursued, than he appeared
to entertain upon the present occasion.
After softie conversetion in which Mr. Hume Mr. Secretary
peel, Smith, Mr. bliee, Mr. Baring, andi the Chancel-
ler of the Exchequer, severally took a part,
The flight lion. tientleman consented to withdraw his motion
till to-morrow.

. .
No. 111.
Income and Charge an the Consolidated Fund, in the Quarters
ended sth April, 1825 and 1826.

INCOME.

Customs . - . -
Excise - - . -
Stamps . - - - -
Post Office - . - - -
Taxes . - - - .

AI iscellaneous -

Qrs. ended April 5.

1025.

2,189,320
5,576,448
1,714,819
387,000
477,385
80,690

Cash to b 9 brought to this Account from
the Ways and Means, to replace the
like Sum issued out of the growing
produce of the Consolidated Fund, ut
Ireland, for Public Services, in the
Quarter ending sth January .

The House then resumed.
The Report was then brought up, and the Chairman begged
lesve to sit again.
•
COMMITTEE ON IRISH STAMP DUTY ACTS.
The House then resolved itself into a Committee upon the
Irish Stamp Duty Acts..
Mr BERRIES moved. ft Resolution to;oontinue certain Acts
abetti4o expire, by winch Duties were grtinted on Stamps. He
stated thatitorne of time Officers in Ireland, who had been for-
merly paid in a great degree by fees, were now in consequence
or recent regulations remunerated by Hied salaries. The con-
tinuance of the Acts in question had been rendered necessary
by this alteration, as the Stamp Duties granted by them con.
'Anted the fund out of which the remuneration to those offices
arose.

1826.

3,440,316
3,1;53,719
1,586,932
363,000
330,008
222,613

10,404,672,'

254,350;

9,92b,361,1

218,120

10,659,020 10,043,483

Qrs. end'

CFIARC

1E125.

April 6.

I 1826.

Exchequer Annuities -
South Sea Convany -
Bank on their Capital -
Dividends - - -

Mr. E had received a letter (Tom Ireland co►npleininp
of the oppression of these Law Officers. Ile objected, besides,
shit they had no previous intimation of what Acts were in-
ten,led to be Continued or amended. _

National Debt - - -
Trustees for ne Payment of Naval and
Military Pensions
Civil List
Pensions
Other Charges

. . .

'Mi. BRIGHT urged a similar objection.
'Mr. LIRRRIES replied that nothing could be more guarded
then the preeredings of the House on occasions like the present.
The Hattie first 'went into a Committee upon a particular class
of Acts. Resolutions were proposed to that Committee. If
caned, they were reported to the House, and when received
by the House, in -pursuance of them were brought
b;., which *Bills had of course so go through all the regular

Surplus

ExchequerßillsissuedfortheConsolidated
Fund, at rith ,Lin. 1920, and paid off
out of the growing Produce of that
Fund In the Quarter ended April 6,1026
Surplus sth April, 1826 -

r
HUME moved as an amendment,
"That the Chai
report prorrejoi sod have leave to sit itgain.ti man
After a few words from the Cua)tcsr.t.on of the Exetty-
faititit the resoiution was agreed to, and the report was ordered
to be received tomorrow.
cotaiVIIQN Or CUSTO)IB DUTIRS.
Mr- if SllRripb moved the Order of' tbe Day for the Rouse
goir.r? Ante aCoittinltteo upoo the uustom puttee ColLeetion
Ate'
_A annilar eunteienstion to the 14At ensued, ai to the propriety

'tuned ant of the Consolidated Fund, on

21,?4

80,000
09,126
4,516,717
1,212,600

21,255
06,900
89,125
4,450,327
1,212,950

1,400,000
212,500
91,231
114,032

7,744,3601
2,914,44 R

1,400,0(10
212,500
94,204
363,659

7,940,000
2,103,480

10,669,02 t

account of the Supplies granted for the
service of the year 182(i and 1826
Total at trth April, 1826, to be provided
for by an issue of Exchequer Bills,
Charged on the Growing ProduCe of the
Consolidated Fund for the Quarter end.
ing 4th July, 1826 -

2,105,4118

10,043,488

5,548,817

2,990,745

887,9,57

6,436,074