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c.nrrob.oration of these statements, he begged the
Aorrse to recollea the correspondence between his
lie 4ight Honourable Friend and the Irish Govern-
Onothe same subjeEt, he held in bis hand a
ri',....rnorandurriof. Lord Cornwillis's, which he then
1.'24. He trusted the House would perceive that
lie did not go from his duty in the explanation of
taas: :Vvrhazever the discussion might be hereafter,
1'( hoped there Would not be introduced a spirit of
ciitnony. He would vote now precisely as be had
duiie before on the same question, but it would*be
chiefly on the grounds that he did not feel, from the
eireumStauces of the country, this to be a

Proper. tithefor ti
ie Catholics to, introduce their
`Dims, al!hough he would, freely adtmt them, pro
:'41,1 (he.), were to make concessions consistent
w'rh the faith and purity of their Church. If he was
,
(,) Lave.advised,them, he would not have persUaded

therntObrini their question forward at any period
since the Union -took place. Nothing he recorn
fleucled more than the temperate manner in which
't had 'bleep brought forward by the. Right Honour-
131e Gentleman. -.However, he was of opinion, that
Le Catholic discussion had rather diminished than
increased the number of its'friends;_ the cause had
suffered.- Could any:Cornmittee be more awkward-
IY situated than that which is called on for a discus-
sion on a question without 'any framed Plan ; tie
could not conceive 'aryl hing so, nugatory and so ails-
Olietous: With resped to the interest' itself, no-
thing could throw it at so immeasurable a- distance.
tie had- the impression that their claims might be
complied with, consistent- with Protestant safety, if
tonne&ed with the 'necessary safeguard.. Since the
union, he had observed in the Protestants a relttc-
knee to the measure : he was satisfied the Roman
C]atholicS Might expe& every thing iroafthe libera-
-I.itY of the Protestant mind. Bigotry would exist-in
nvall religion, yet he was confident. the, Plotestants
xt-ere a most liberal and a most enlightened..body,
znd would grant the claim§ of theil,Catholic cOuntry-
liten, if fairly eounded. - He felt it his duty'to give
the same vote. , - , - .•

Sir J. C. HIPPESLEY made a few observations in
explanation.l:
Mr. Lams did not know if this was the best time
kr answering the Catholic claims, he believed it .it
Vas delayed any fonger it would be the destruction
°,_f the country. He asked a Learned Judge and the '
University of Oxford, is It fitting • to come for ward
and talc of defences-and dangerS- without explaining
the groun6. The question is, whether there, is
!lot danger in the existence of 'the reliaion, or wile-
Its restn6tions - shall be removed ? He begged the
51•Juse to sympathise with Ireland, to put themselves
114 the place ,of Irishmen, and recollect that a Clergy
tieretiealin the eyes.-of the, people, had been -put in
possession, in this the country acquiesced; who then
c 24 call them a .stitf-necked generation ? Consider
1.4 e y sacrificed every .thing v!ear to a. high iouled and
high spirited people, and ought- not we to, make
Lorne sacrifice in return ?..-He then adverted to the
kesent state 'of th-2Coatinent, which 'moved with
11 the-regularity of a machine, under the impulse.
6,1 mmi, a visitation of Pros idence on the earth.
4.1 e did, not speak for popularity's sake but for his
tountry, for his family, and for his existence the
Whole ground of his -opposition (0* Ministers was,
that they seemed to have pledged themselves not to
take measures for the conciliation of the Irish Ca-
tholics.
Si; W. SCOTT made some explanation, but in a
tone inaudible from u-om the Gallery.

General.MAiTnew observed, that this was not
only the Catholic but the Protestant cause; it etn.
,braced not only the interest of Ireland, but of Eng-
land, and"the world- at large. He then made ex- '
trails from Lord Mountjoy's narrative of Ireland in.
the time of .Queen Elrzatieth,' exhibiting a varety
of enormities; the practices, he said, of 1798 were
equally barbarous ; in Dublin he was an eye-witness
to matty an industtious man, taken from the bosom.
of his family, and, without trial, hurt ied to the
Royal Exchange, to the Castle-yard, and to Beres-
ford's Riding-house, here he was tied up,- and
liogged till he confessed crimes of which he was not
guilty. He has seen lying in the ditches of the
country fathers and-. suns butchered, ••wives And
daughters defiled and polluted by English .fencibles
and Gerinan mercenaiies. Mr. Pitt; however,
Ikaw the system of coercion had faded, and recom-
tUended,Catholic Emancipation. The HOnourable
General recommended to the House to accede
to tl;e proposition for • going into a- Commit-
tee as- the only means of saving-Ireland. If it was
llot acceded to; he foretold that this country would
have to lament the refusal; for, in the event of the
leubjngation of Spain
.by the. Emperor of Frarice, the
torts of that country would be in possession.of that
rower, and the passage from thence to Ireland be-
mg so short, the conquest, in case of invasion, must
tallow. Having made some observations upon the '
general condutit of the GoverLnent with -regard ,to
irelao, and instanced the authorities. of Mr:Pitt,
of Mr. Fox, and of r•dr. Burke, for the. necessity of
Catholic Emancipation, he coucluded with support-
th,e motion.
Tordl;iicotiot JOSCSLYN was aware of the diffl.-
Tway of forming Icon eet opinion on the subject ;
1)ut; at the same blot,, he was obliged to di'ffer-wits
Ihe Right Hon. Mover. He thought that concilra-
rtaS necessary ; but there was no bar provided
itt the preSent state of things to secure the Catholics
against the power of France, and tiie'efore conees-
plat,lan on their plat was' desirai..sie. the-14;111g
'9410 the veto, or power of appointing sucle.Bisimps •
to him might 'seem' proper, there. was, in his
Odinion, an insurmountable obstacle to complying
with their demands. Supposing .the measure ssas
(lupted, still- he thought no material benefit *could
, nroJneed by it. The disease would remain--a
9lsea'se Welt could•not be eradicated until. the men
Of property in Ireland felt the ?Wale sotum, and set
an example to the people of -that country by:living
°u• their estates. Would to God, be observed;, that
some means could be devised to ,compel absentees to
return .; to forbid that ruinous anti destructive emi-
gration which was the sole cause of all the reaL
&;rl,4vances ut which Ireland complained.
Ivir. SHAW :vuiSll'eci to alloW the Catholics .the
enjoyment of all their rights: Mutual con-
r-'iotts were tie. essary ; the Catholics 'were slow
conceding. be was therefore against going into
,
!ht•s-, innitttee.

Oet.r, try RYDER, thotigh 'fie was not dts
ulfer is:any obset., a ions could nut let the
6.1 pivss over wt,hotit s,..tlin,; the ground of
which he Lad to the pro2uitionot the li;~;itt