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London, England, 1828-02-18 00:00:00

SUPPLY.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER rose and
moved the Order of the Day, for the House resolving it•

self into a Committee of Supply.
Mr PARKIIOUSE from the India House, brought up
a fourth Report of the Tanjore Commissioners, and the
?Ath of the Mysore Commissioners.
Lnrd NOTIMANBY rose to ask an explanation from the
Right Hon. Gentleman opposite. An opportunity had
already been given of affording an explanation which it
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was understood would have been given. But that opportunity
having passed away without any explanation, he trusted he
would be excussed in pursuing the course he had adopted,
because he haul really no personal enmity, and believed he was
doing the greatest kindness to the Right non. Gent. oppo-
site in renewing the opportunity that had so passed away.
He had stated that he had no uncompromising feel-
ing of hostility towards the present Government; but
be thought himself fully entitled to demand that expla-
nation which, he considered the public entitled to reeive.
The first question, he should ask, was the cause which led
to the dissolution of the late Cnvernment : and the next
point on which he wished for information—and the
most important to the public—lvas the principles on
which the present Government was formed. We under-
stood from report that Lord Goderich had said, the cause of
the dissolution was a difference beiween the late Chancellor
of the Exchequer and the Right Hon. Gentleman opposite ;
hut that aftertwards in an interview between Ford Code-
rich and the Chancellor of the Exchequer, the latter Gen-
tleman expressed himself perfectly satisfied. When the
R.. Hon. Gentleman opposite (Mr. Huskisson) volunteered
an explanation at Liverpool of the breaking up of the last.
Government, which he (Lord Nnrmanby) thought quite
unnecessary, it appeared a singular thing that the
Right Honourable Gentleman should have omitted all
mention of this (pare), which was said to he the Immediate
cause of the dissolution. As to the peineiples on whick the
present Government was formed, he had read the
Cight Honourable Gentleman's explanation with the
greatest attention, and some parts of it with the
sincerest pleasure. He had always looked up the
Right Hon Gent. as a public benefactors—or one of the
first practical reformers. The reports he had read in the
London papers of what the Right Honourable Gentleman
bad stated at Liverpool, he was bound to say, bore a,.
much the appearance Of internal truths as any reports
he had eve; read, and looking at Reporters who were so
responsible for the discharge of their duty—so notorious
for their extraordinary talent ! and so exemplary for

their regard to 'honesty; and moreover, so free from
aii political bias, it was utterly isnpossible such a 9et
of men should have conspired to misrepresent She
Right lionniaralde Gentleman should not have said

thus much, but that last night a country Paper—the
Liverpool Albion—was put into his hands, purporting to
represent the speech of the Right Honourable Gentle-
man, but which could only be looked upon as a garbled
extract, leaving out many important parts of the speech,
and which his Lordship would not presume to think had
been corrected by the Right lion, Gentleman himself.—
If the Right Bon. Gentleman placed his reliance upon
those Members of the late Cabinet, and considered them as
guarantees, in that cage be must be aware that he had also
ronnter guarantees. The Noble Lord then proceeded to
quote from the sgeeeh of the Duke of Wellington, in the
Howie of Lords, that part in which lits Grace stated that
which be supposed Mr. Iluskisson might have said to his
constituents at Liee,rpool, to the effect that the
persons who were in office with him were a sufficient
guarantee to him to him for the perseverance in the measures
of the late Cabinet. He (Lord.Normanby,) was quite sure
that the Right Hon. Gentleman had never said that which
his Grace bad assumed him to have said, and if he had not
said so he now called upon him to state that which he
did say.—(Hear, hear.)—ft would be hardly fair to the
Right Honourable Gengleman if he did not state his
motives for wishing to have the explanation for which
he asked. The three points to which the Right Hon.
Gentleman had alluded in his speech at Liverpool,
were, the. question of Catholic Emancipation, the
commercial policy of the country, and the foreign
policy also. His (Lord Normanby's) opinion was, that
the present constitution of the Government was unfavour-
able to the Catholic question, When he saw the on the
Ministerial benches a Right Hon. Gentleman (Me. Peel),
svho well known to be the most powerful opponent of those
he could come to no other canclusion.—(Cheers.)
.He did not mean to say that any unfair means would
be used in the disposal of the Government patronage ; but
at the same time it was obvious that patronage would be
likely to follow in the channel of power ; and with regard
to tba Colonial policy, he had no doubt that the greatest
advantage must accrue by the Right lion. Gent.'s remain-
ing in the Administration, hut as regarded the commercial
policy of the late Cabinet, it owed its success chiefly to‘the
support given; oit by his (Lord Manby'e) side of the
House, and i nol been counteracted by most of those
Perseus with w0,..1 he was now connected,
is the present Administration. The Noble Lord then al-
-1 l eluded to the amendment vu the C9ril L ws, proposed

the Duke of Wellini

tended either that tha.
ehe that both were

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that most of the Members belong

f.rtt Cabinet were opposed to his views. On that ques-
tion, in the Home of Lords all had voted for that amend-

meat, and therefore some explanation was necessary. With
regard to the foreign policy, he must say that he re-
garded the Speech from the Throne at being by
no means so cordial and gracious in its tone
as that of the Frehch King's, he conld not also feel gra-
tified at the cold manner in which acquiescence had been
given to the treaty alluded to by the present Minietry.
He denied that the inference could he drawn, that Mr.
Canning's policy, was tne same as Lord Liverpool's,
and the assertion, that it was an would be received with
the greatest astonishment in avery caf6 and Cabinet in Eu-
rope. The Noble Lord felt happy in concurring with the
universal rogret occasioned by the lamented death of Mr.

Canning.—(Hear, hear, hear.)—Hie party wos scattered
to the winds.—(Applause from all parts of the House.)
—lf within one yerr after his death his name could
not he mentioned in the Cabinet over which he
presi&d, or if mentioned, could only lead to discord, thereby
his death might well be considered a nalional calamity.._
The Honourable Gentleman concluded by thanking the
House for the attention with which he hdd been heard.
Mr. HUSKISSON commenced in a low tone of voice.
Having thanked the Noble Lord who bed just sat down
for having made the call he (Mi. H.) expected since his
return from Liverpool to London, addressed the House to
the following effect :—Sir, at the same time that I sin-
cerely rejoice that an opportunity has been now afforded
me of entering into an explanation of my conduct
in connection with the breaking up of the late, and the
formation of the present Ministry, I may say that I offer
myself to the notice of the House, under feelings of
difficulty and anxiety greater than I have ever before
experienced in the course of my public life. If, Sir,
no other interest attached itself to the transaction which
lam about to relate, than the protection of the private
character and honour of an individual humble as myself,
I well know from long experience that the indulgence
this House is in the habit of extending to all Honoura-
ble Members, will not be witheld from me under the present
cirenmstancee.—(Cheers.)—But, Sir, when the object of
the inquiry relates to the conduet of a public man—and
I there agree with the Noble Lord opposite, that the cha-
racter of a public man is publlic property, and the
more especially so, if the public man at the time he ad-
dresses you holds, as I now, by the gracious favour of my
Sovereign, a seat in the Councils of my Sovereign, which
imposes on me the discharge of one of the most im-
portant offices in the State—l say, that from that mo-
ment the question ceases to be one of individual
interest, hut becomes a question of public interest
and public importance, and it is upon that ground I claim
from the kind attention of the House—that indulgence,
which I am sure I shall receive, and which every
gentleman possessed of right feelings, will apart from
political opinions, I am satisfied, extend to me.—(Cheers.)
—Sir, before I proceed to answer any of the questions
put by the Noble Lord, or to advert, in any degeee,
to the subject under discussion, I trust I may be
allowed to state without reserve, and without qualification,
that since my return from Liverpool to London, I have nei-
ther directly nor indirectly had any communication with any
of my Noble or Right Hon. Friends who form a part of the
present Administration, either in reference to what I have
been reported to have said at Liverpool, or what any of them

have said elsewhere, or in reference to the observations
which I am now about to address the House.

—I wish this to be clearly understood and I
trust that every Hon. Member will do me the justice
to hear in mind, during the course of the hbservatiuns
which I abut! addres to the House, that whatever

impression these obsorvatirns may make upon the
House, whatever may he the consequences of thtm,
that I alone am resposible. I assure my Right lion.
Friends that that it was not from any want of confidence, or
reliance upon them that I have abstained from entering into

such communications upon the subject, hut I slid so became
I felt by doing that I might expose them and myself to the
suspicion of casting our parts and preparing our notes. In
what I am now to state to the House I shall not enter upon
any transactions which occurred between the period of my
return to England, and the period at which the Noble Lord
opposite took up the enquiry, namely, that period when the
name of the Noble Lord (Member for Northampton) was

first introduced. I believe, indeed, I know, although I
cannot state the precise date that some some time about
the middle of last November, my Nobie Friend (Lord
Goderich), then at the head of the Administration, in
talking to me casually ene morning upon the subject
stated that my Right Hon Friend, the Master of the Mint
had suggested to him that it would he desirable to ask
Lord Althorp whether he would be disposed to accept
the Chair on the Committee of Finance. Lord Goderich
then told me that in the conversation he had had with his
Right Honourable Friend the Master of the Mint, he
(Lord G.) had stated that from his habits of intercourse
with the Noble Lord, he should be rejoiced to see his talents
made useful in that or in any other situation. But, as
the question of Finance was one which would originate in
this House, he would rather the subject should be consi-
dered by these Members of the Administration who had
seats in this House. Lord Goderich didnot ask my opinion,
upon the subject, he merely stated what passed and added
that he considered the Noble Lord, from his inclination to
business, possessed talents which would render him a
valuable Member of a Committee of Finance. 1 certainly,
at the time, expressed some doubts upon the subject, but
those doubts did not apply to the fitness of the Noble Lord
as a Member of the Committee, for upon that point there
could be no difference of opinion as all who have
known the Noble Lord, and have observed the talent
which he has displayed in the management of public
business, must be aware that he has directed his attention
to questions the most likety to come under the consideration
ofLa Committee of Finance. This communication of my
Noble F.iiend was an incidental and not a formal commu-
nication, and I now beg leave to state that my Noble
Friend did not say to me whether or not he had made a
simil-r communication to any other Member of the Go-
vernment, nor did he authorize me to make
any such commhnication. In a few days after at a
Cabinet dinner, indeed after thedinner was over, and we-were
about to part for the evening ; my Right Hon. Friend, the
Master of the Mint, asked me whether I turned in my mind I
the conversation which I had had with Lord G. ? I replied
that I bad ; and that upon the whole, whatever might have
been my first impression, I was inclined to the opinion
that it would he for the advancement of the public interests
to endeavour to procure the services of the Noble Lord.
That conversation I considered to be such as may
pass between two gentlemen acting togeter upon matters
relating (0 objects which it Was the common desire of both
to forward. This conversation between me and my Right
Hon. Friend, passed on the 19th of November. Some days
after this Lord Goderich told me that he heard from nos
Right Hon. Friend that he had sounded the Noble Lord the
Member for Northamptonshire, and there I again think
that my friend had taken the proper course by telling the
Noble Lord at the head of the Government what happened,
I did not then hear that my Right Hon. Friend had any
authority to make the communication, and I again, for the
first time told my Noble Friend what had passed between
me and my Right Hon. Friend on the 19th. My Noble
Friend asked if the Chancellor of the Exchequer was in-
formed that this measure was then in contemplation, or
whether my communication was made to him on
the subject ? I answered that I did net know, and
that I was not authorised to make any communication
to him. I really took it for granted that the matter was
mentioned to him in the same casual manner it was men-
' tinned to me ; lint, upon my finding such was not the
, fact, I said it was an oversight, but not au oversight of mine;
and an oversight for which I did not hold myself responsi-
ble, I then told my Noble Friend, that I would under-

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and myself, and up to that time I am bound to state as my
Noble Friend has stated in another place that my Hon.
Friend, the Chancellor of the Exchequer, took entirely the
same view of the matter as I myself took of it.—(Loud

and repeated cheers.)—He having been engaged for
some time in the discussion of some other matte:-s,
my. Right Honourable Friend, the Master of the
Mint, accidentally called upon nee—l say accidentally, as
I did not expect, or had any reason to suppose that he
would have called upon me : but when he called. I
begged hint to come in, and I then afated to him what had
passed between myself and the Chancellor of the Exche-
quer. My Right Hon. Friend the Master of the Mint
said lo me, as I was about gni ng to Brighton I called on you
to talk upon the subject of the Finance Committee. My
two Right lion. Friend's than entered into general conver-
sation respecting the questions to be brought before the
Committee, the setvices which the country had a right
to expect from their labours, and a variety of other mat-
ters—and each of my Right Honourable Friends did
what I had never done—they looked over their lists
of the Committee—comyared them together, and they,
in fact seemed to me to have advanced the business very
considerable•. On the next day the Chancellor of the
chequer expressed a wish to tee ea.!, and I think at that in-
terview, that he had some reason for differing from the
view he had taken the day before, as to the mode of tilline the
chair; and I also understood from him that the proposal
for placing the Noble Lord opposite in the chair was
matter of conversation about town, and that the names
of other individuals appointed on the Committee, were in
circulation, and that he thought great unconvenience,
would crise from such publicity. He expressed his regret
at the circumstance, and heard his statement with regret.
What I could do, under these circumstances, I did. I got
the letter late in the day, and I immediately wrote
to the Chancellor of the Exchequer, expressing my
regret at hearing that the reports alluded to were
current, and assuring him that I should exert myself to
prevent any improper or unnecessary disclosure of matters
which I certainly felt ought not to be discussed, except
among the Gabinet. It shews the spirit in which
I acted, and on the very same day, and with as:little delay
as possible, sent a copy of that letter to my Right
Honourable Friend to Brighton. This was on the 29th
Nov., and on the 2d November I got an answer from
Brighton, in which my Right Hon. Friend stated that he
felt as strongly as I could the objections of having

matters of this nature discussed, except among ourselves

he agreed with me that the question had not gone further
than this, that the Noble Lord was at perfect liberty to fill
the choir of the Finance Committee if he pleased. A latter
was written to the Nokie Lord, desiring to know whether
he would undertake the duty of Chairman, in the event, of
his being appointed to it. The answer of the Noble Lord
was to the effect, that if his Right Hon. friend should do
him the honour to propose his name, he would not feel
indisposed to obey the wishes of the House. This
(continued Mr. Huskisson) clearly implies that up to that
moment it was a mere matter of conversation—(Hear,
hear)---that there was nothing to prevent the Noble Lord
from refusing to fill the Chair, or to prevent
the appointment of any other Hon. Member from being
proposed. On the day on which I got this answer from
Brighton, I put it into the hands of the Chancellor of the
F. ,chequer, and he returned it without comment or
observation. This was the whole of the correspondence,
and it eertainly left on my mind the impression that the
entire matter was of the most trifling and un-
important character ; that the Chancellor had fancied,
perhaps, that he had received some slight—unintentional
it most certainly was ; but if intentional, one which, after
some explanation and assurance* of what the fact
really was, had qnite faded away from his recol-
lection, I fancied that I had had the good fortune
to restore all to good humour, and I can assure the house
that I regarded the matter as entirely at an end. This
brings us to the 2d December, between that day (the 2d
December) and the 26th of December, I heard not
otte'sVord more---,Hear, hear, hear, and loud cheers.)—
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—Whetlosr (continued the Right Hon. Gentleman) any•
thing passed on the subject among others he knew not, but
certainly nothing happened in his (Mr. IL's) presence.—
But between those periods circumstances which were public,
and others which it would be a breach of confidence to di-
vulge happened, which tended materially to impair the
strength, and shake the stability of his Majesty's Govern-
ment, On the 2"3,1 December, he (Mr. H.) left town on
a visit to his Noble Friend, Lord Palmerstone, and
so firmly resolved was he to meet whatever diffi-
culties might present themselves during the Session
of Parliament, that he did, by word of mouth
to some, and by letters to others, declare his de-
termination, whatever might be the risk of failure,
which if it did occur, must be attributed to his inability,
not to shrink from his struggle. Whilst at Lord Palmer-
ston's he received a letter form Lord Goderich to the pur-
port already stated by the Noble Lord, and containing
conditional tenders of resignation on the part of the Chan-
(Tiler of the Exchequer, if the appointment of Lord
Althorp to the Chair of the Committee were persevered in.
Lord (ioderich left him (Mr. Huskssson) at liberty to com-
municate the contents of this letter to Lord Palmerston ;
and he now appealed to that Noble Lord, whether, what-
ever chance there might have existed of csnductina• the affairs
of that House through the Session, did not then declare
that that chance was at an end, as he could no longer look to
that cordial co-operation upon which they had relied.—
He, in consequence, waited on Lord Goderich, and opened
his mind. Ile told him that the question as to who
should, or who should not be Chairman of the Committee,
on its being duly and fairly considered as an abstract
question was a mere nothing.—that with all his respect
for the talent and industry of the Noble Lord (Althorp) he
felt there were many others in the House capable of
discharging the duties with as much benefit to the coun-
try, but that from the moment he had understood the ques-
tion to be settled, he could not bring himself to recede
from the point. He felt that if there should be any conces-
sion, it must necessarily lower his character, that it must
subject him to be taunted out of doors and in that House.
That in fact any departure from that compact, or at all
events, understanding, which existed on the subject, would
exhibit such weakness on his port as effectually to deprive
him of any little influence hee might hitherto possess. (Cheers)
On the 29th a Cabinet was summoned on matters of great
importance. He (Mr. II.) waited that morning on his
Noble Friend Lord- Goderich, and Informed him that he
no longer considered himself a ttnetuber of his Majesty's
Government, and that he had tendered to the King his resig-
nation. Lord Goderich replied that if he (Mr. H.) resigned,
his Lord Goderich's Government was at an end, for that
he would not continue in power without him (Mr. Ilus-
kisson) and that if he determined to resign, the Cabinet
was necessarily and indispensibly dissolved. Lord Goderich
requested that he (Mr. H.) should suspend his determination
for some, and not send the letter he had written to Wind-
sor. He (Mr. H.), acquiesced in this suggestion,, and in
the mean time had an interview with the Marquis of Laos-
downe, who thought, that though his (Mr. Huskisson's)
resignation Would !steak up the Government, the resig-
nation of the Chancellor of the Exchequer minght
not have the save effect.—(Hear, hear.)--Under these con-
siderations, he (Mr. IL) postponed his intended resignation
or a few days, and, on the Ist of Jan. he wrote to Lord
Goderich to inqoire from him whether lie had learned from
Mr. Henries, that he persisted in his resignation. Matters
remained in this situation for some days, in "'se-
quence of the arrival of the Infant of portngal
in
this country and his proposed visit to 'Windsor. On the
Sth Jan., however, it was understood that Lord Goderich
went to Windsor, and laid before the King the difficulties
he found in carrying on the Administration, and in justice
to his Noble Friend (Lord Goderich), he was bound to say
that he believed he had fairly and fully stated to his Ma-
jesty all the difficulties with which he was encountered.
It had been insinuated that he, Mr. IL) afto' receiving a
communication from Lord Lansdowne, in confidence, took
occasion to make use of that confidence to prevent an ap-
plication being made to Lord Lansdowne. On the con-
trary his, (Mr. H.'s) lips were sealed from the time
he had the communication with Lord Lansdowne,
and he might . appeal to his Noble Friend (Lord
Carlisle), whether ' lie had not cautiously avoided
mentioning' the name of the Noble Lord (Lansdowne),
except to his own' friends, lest the confidential communi-
cation made by his Lordship should transpire, and
become known to the Noble Duke, who was en •
gaged in forming .the Ministry, or any of the other
individuals who were interested in forming tie present

And he could. confidently appeal to the
sable Gentleman opposite (Mr. Tierney),
one of the Members of the late Go-
whether he had not used every
exertion to the injury of his health and
many etner thingi that he held dear to keep the
Cabinet together as it then existed in union arid strength.
He should now come to what the Noble Lord was pleased
to call the much more important part,- l'efitl which
he also certainly thought tho much more important
part—namely, an explanation of what he was
reported to have said at Liverpool respecting his come
munication with the Duke of Wellington, upon the
constitution of the present Gove.nment. He did not
expect the Noble and Learned Lord would have sunk
into an animadversion which had been made upon him in
another place, by talking of gratuitous explanations, and
so on; and supposing that he had made unnecessary
explanations to his constituents. The same remark
he was sorry to say with something of a sneer, had been
made in another place.—(Hear, hear. )—Notwithstand-
ing, however, the great respect he bad for the
great constitutional verdict, not of the Noble Lord opposite,
but of the distinguished individuals to whom he referred,
he still must retain what might be considered, amongst
some, an obsolete idea—that when a Member of that House
accepted office front She Crown, in consequence of whish, he
vacated his sent, that when he offered himself again to
those who had before reposed confidence in him to
solicit their support. He thought it very natural accord-
ing to the old doettine, that he should give an explanation
as hc thought his constituents had not only a right to
demand, but which he had almost said, it was a duty on
their part to have demanded. He knew that he had been
called a theorist, but was sure whatever doctrine might have
prevailed among his constituents at Liverpool, that even
all the virtue—all the transcendant circumstances of dis-
tinction—and all the high character of the Noble indivi-
dual referred to,—would not have been a sufficient
guarantee to have induced his constituents to have returned
him to Parliament, unless, placed as he was, he had
given some explanation. Having stumbled somehow
or other on the unfortunate word guarantee, as ap-
peared in the reports connected with what he had said,
at Liverpool, lie felt bound fairly to own, that he did use
that word in what he had addressed to his constituents,
and he had no scruple in saying, even after all that he
had heard, that he should probably use it again, did
the same opportunity occur. Really he could not help being
prrfectly astonished to know how it happened, that the
use of this unfortunate word guarantee, upon which
so much stress had been laid, and upon which an
much malevolence had been at work, for the
last ten days, should have have excited so much mis-
conception in the minds of the community of this metro-
polis. He could not conceive how there could be under-
standings so constructed, imaginations so perverted, as
for a moment to suppose that his Noble Friend, and
himself should communicate with the Duke of Wellington
upon the principle of a contract to be mace—of a bargain
to he entered into between adverse parties—with
opposite and conflicting interests.—(Great cheering.)
—Was it to be expected that the Duke of Wellington
with his exalted distinctions and nice sense of honor,
should have sent not for one, hut for five or six gentle-
men, themselves having all, untarnished reputation, and
he trusted, a high feeling of honor, for the purpose of offer-
ing to them a direct insult? Was it sot clear that the
Noble Duke, if he could by possibility have descended tc
such a thing, must have felt that the proposal would only
have rendered totally useless the services of all those who
might have been base enough to have lent themselves to
such a transaction. On the part, therefore, of the Dukr
of Wellington, and his Noble Friend with whom he was
connected, he begged to state distinctly it was most
preposterous to have supposed that such a propoeal was
ever made, or even thought of. He would ask, what
might be considered his own understanding and prudence,
if he had gone down to Liverpool, and made statements
calculated to draw upon himself such an imputation with
the certainty to hie insane intellect, within three days after
the making of such statements, they would have been con-
tradicted by those to whom they referred. Ile did not
certainly retract one syllable from what he had said at
Liverpool respecting guarantee, but standing in the House
of Commons where he did, lie would state what he actually
hal said. Ile would not he answerable for the very words
in which he had addressed his constituents; nor would he
be answerable for the accuracy of any reports that
might have been made of what passed amidst the
confusion of a hustings ; by the Reporters, however ex-
pert and ingenious they may have been, and who probably
never attended an election at Liverpool before, nor received
all the accommodation they merited. What he said was,
that before his acceptance of office he sought
for explanation, as well in respect to the principles
as to the pendine measures of the Government, and tho
general admistration of that Government; Ghat having
received an understanding in respect to the mea-
sures, and in respect to the pr inc Government, which
appeared to him satisfactory, he did consider that,
the hest guarantee which conld tie afforded, that in the eX-
ecution of those measures and in furtherance 'of those prin-
ples, such understanding would not be departed from, while
the individuals who were then expected to execute them,
should continue in office. He considered the guarantee he
received to he of this nature, and he hoped the explana-
tion would he as satisfactory to the Noble Lord opposite as
the explanation he had received, and the understand-
ing on which lie acted, wds satisfactory to him. It must
have been obvious, therefore, to his friends at Liverpool,
accustomed to deal in bonds, securities, and legal instru-
ments, that when he spoke of guarantees, be was not
speaking of it in the strict legal technical sense of the words.
He would willingly bear testimony to the skill, diligence,
and impartiality of Reporters, hut he felt bound to say,
that what he had stated at Liverpool, they had misconceiv-
ed, and certain he was, that the people at Liverpool
were not under any such misconception, because he
held in his hand a letter from the Reverend Mr.
Shepherd, which he had received by this morning's post,
in which that gentleman stated, that he felt bound to come
forward unsolicited to express his conviction, that the re-
ports in the London papers bad not been accurately made.
This, however, he could only state, from a recollection of
what had passed ; but he was on the hustings, and felt
sound to give what really had passed—his greatest atten-
tion. Had he not received this letter, lie could
have brought forward nothing hitt his own statements, in
opposition to imperfect and unsatisfactory reports. The
Bight Hon. Gentleman then read the letter, which was to
the effect we have stateds and which concluded by say-
ing—" perhaps, before you receive this, you may have
run the gauntlet in the House of Cotrunons.—(A laugh.)
If my memory should be of use to you, I feel it necessary
that I should give you the benefit of it, because Ministers
have sufficient to answer for, without the mistakes of
the gentlemen belonging to the press.—P. S. I take it
for granted Mr. Brougham will have something to say on
this transaction, but that he may not get on the wrong
ground, I should wish you to communicate to lion the pur-
port of this letter.—(Continued laughter, in which Mr. B.
joined, and made an observation which we could not hear.)
So much for the word guarantee, about which there bad
been so much misapprehension. With respect to the prin-
ciples and measures which were to guide the present Admi-
nistration, he had little to fear that he was at all likely to
differ from the Noble Duke at the head of the Government.
but there were certain measures and principles upon which
there was an understanding ; and if there was a fair un-
derstanding upon general principles, it was all that could be
expected for the application of those principles, to
the securitp and improvement of the Country, must •
of course. mainly depend upon our foreign and do-
mestic circumstances. The sending of troops to
Portugal, and the interference in the affairs of Greece had
been growing out of the state of our foreign relations for
the last eighteen months. With respect to our domestic
policy he would also instance, by way of illustration,
the Silk Trade. When lie deemed it prudent to
assimilate that trade to the manner in which others are
carried on, the Hon. Metnbers for Lincoln and Coventry
(neither of them now Members) opposed his views, on the
ground that the time was not fitting for the change, ;litho'
it might in all other respects be most desirable.—
Thus the application of general principles must
always be according the circurostauces under which the
country is placed. His Noble Friend (the Duke of Wel-
aliningteomn )besar idoftoLhoirmd
Liverpool's(lklr. IlissGna
oonv)ernent, and had a, " You have been
share in and supported all the measures which were
originated and approved of by that Cabinet, how
take part in those measures,
then can you refuse to
to which you already stand pledged.—(Hear, bear.) The
Noble
Duke badsupported the measure to which he had
jest alluded, relative to the silk trade, and he bad also sup-
ported the interference in the affairs of Portugal
and the Protocol relative to Greece bore his own signature.
If it was to be so that the troops were sent to Portugal
under false pretences he would answer that the 'Noble Duke
had vindicated the necessity and the
expediency of it.
He would now come Co the course of' proceeding
relative to the Finance Committee. In the interuiews
which he had had with the Noble Duke, it had
escaped him to ask the question as to what his views
were relative to.that Committe. While confined to his room,
however, he wrote to his Noble Friend upon that subject,
and he held in his hand the answer. There was no pledge
—no guarantees—nor no stipulations ; but the question
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was required ; and no attempt should ever again induei
to revert to the subject.—(Hear, hear,) If each weiihe
policy to be pursued-4f disunion between him and sinnathe
was acting with was to be its object, he could only lab:that
that object should fail, for the only effect of such a policy
would be to cause him to act with increased confidence in
those by whom he was surrounded.—(Loud cheers.)--
There was only one other point to which he thought it
necessary to refer—but it was one of considerable de-
licacy. A question had been put in another place,
and it had been asserted that he (Mr. Huskisson)
had declared that he never would take any part in an Ad-
ministration of which the Duke of Wellington was the
head, in consequence of what had taken place during the
life time of Mr. Canning. This he positively and
unequivocally denied. But looking to the quarter from
whence the question had been put, and reverencing the
memory of that great man as he did, he did not think
that even if it had been stated, matter of a private conver-
sation should not be thus brought before the House. The
measures he had pursued in his public 'life, had
exposed him to a great deal of public obloquy. That
class of persons opposed to improvements were of course
opposed to those which he originated, while those who
' were iu favour of improvement almost invariably over-
looked the difficulties which existed in applying gene-
neral principles according to the circumstances of the
country. He had steered a middle course, and he had con-
sequently been disapproved of by the zealous on both sides.
But as long as held a seat in Parliament he would follow the
stme principlee, and if his friends should happen to
take a different view, he should then feel it a duty in-
cumbent upon him to tender his resignation.—(Cheers.)—
He had been honoured beyond his deserts by his Sovereign,
who had conferred upon him the high situation which he
then held (The Rt. Hon. Gent. was deeply affected.) He had
been honoured also by the support he had received in
that House, and by the approbation of a large portion of
the public—(Cheers)----so honoured, he felt no ambition,
beyond, his health was certain, but, as long as long as' he
enjoyed the share of confidence which he had hitherto done,
he should persevere in endeavouring to promote the
interasts of his country to the best of his ability. But if he
found his views obstrticted, and that he was unable
to carry his policy into effect, he should not be slow
to retire from the arduous duties which it had fallen to his
lot for so many years to discharge.—(The Right Hon.
Gentleman then sat down amidst very generrl applause.)
The SYEAKER then was about to read the order of the
day for the House going into a Committee of Supply, but
the calls for Mr. Herries became general, and that Right
Hon. Gentleman accordingly rose to explain.
Mr. HERMES said, that if the difference which was
stated to have occurred between him and his Right Hon.
Friend was the cause of the late Cabinet, he was not to
blame. Individuals were often placed in circumstances
in which it was impossible for them not to act, so as to on-
casion evil, but they were not responsible for this evil.
He had now to state, however, that it was directly false
that the difference between him and the Right Honourable
Secretary was the cause of ehe dissolution of the late Ca-
binet. That difference may have been made the cause, but
it was not the cause. There was no the slightest ground
for stating that it was the cause.—(Hear, hear.)—There
were circumstances connected with his appointment,
to office, which rendered him peculiarly jealous of any in-
terference with the duties and privileges of his office.
There were some persons who had made themselves pecu-
liarly conspicuous in opposing his (Mr.. Herries's)
cession to office, and was it to he wondered that he
(Mr. Herries) was extremely jealous of the interference of
such persons. He was extremely surprised, -.there-
fore, to be informed, that the place and persons
who were to compose the Finance Committee had
been arranged without previously consulting him.—
He entered a protest verbally, and afterwards, by letter
against this proceeding, and afterwards received an
assurance from the Noble Lord at the head of the Go-
vernment, the circumstances of which he complained
would be satisfactorily arranged, and that fur-
ther steps would he taken without great caution
and consideration. From that period, which was
at the commencement of December, until the 26th of that
month, nothing more passed on the subject. Strange cit..
cumstances passed in the interval between the .24th and
26th. The head of the Government, abdicated,
and it was not whilst that , Government was
in its agony, and near its dissolution that he (Mr. Harries)
was to intrude his feelings with respect to the 'Fivauce
Committee on the Noble Lord at the head of the Go-
vernment.

(Left speaking.)

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TATTERSA LL's TI ISIMY

The betting-room was well attended.:4y, find setae
brisk betting was the consequence ; it, was nearly all,low-
ever, confined to the Derby and St. Leger. The three fa-
vourites varitd considerably during the day, and at tbe,
close the Merchant retreated to 10 to 1. Amy has been
hacked pretty freely by. a Yorkshirernani at 17 to 'l,. but it
did not seem to operate :forcibly on the market, which.
closed as follows :-
81 to 1 agst lion. E. Petre's The Colonel ..
Grosvenor's
81 to 1 agst Lord Grosvenor's Nayarit'
9 to 1 agst Duke of Rutland's Sorcery colt ,
10 to 1 agst Mr. Thornhill's Merchant
17 to 1 agst Mr. Payne's Johanna Sontheote colt
17 to 1 agst Sir J. shelley's Amy colt
241850 ttt 000 agsta
agstg s
agst
DLotDukeDuke
df roe
of Grafton's Omen Gsvratoorn;ss

ST. LEGER,.
12 to 1 agst Colonel king's Beesy Bedlam
13 to 1 agst Mr. W. Scott's Velocipede
16 to 1 agst Mr. Petre's The Colonel

MR. CANNING'S MONUMENT.

The Subscribers to the Erection of a Monument, in
honnue to the Memory,of Mr. Canning, had a meeting
to-day at the Thatched House Tavern ; the Earl of Har-
r rowby in the chair. The aecersained amount of the
subscription was 9,5001. t bnt a larger sum, it is supposed,
has been subscribed, but not yet reported from ;oe pro-
vincial districts.
Mr. G. KNIGHT, in moving that the report of the
Committee be received, pronounced a brilliant etiology
upon Mr. Canning. He (Mr. K.) had been uponilie Con-
tinent when the death of that lamented statesman occurred,
and he would speak from his personal observation that his
fame had extended all over the continent, unobserved by
those mists of prejudice and party which sometimes
darkened the bright renown of a great man moving in his
own sphere.—(Cheers.)—He considered that Mr. Can-
ning was the bold yet prudent advocate of a safe liberty,
and that his public services entitled hint to the proud testi-
monial which the country was about to erect in honour of
his memory.
Lord WHARNCLIFFE considered Mr. Canning's fame
would be transmitted to posterity as glorious and as
honourable as that, of any public man who had ever
approvedwil hoonifc,.haAncdoonaAisdißi:soPtneld
served his country. On a future occasion he would be
ab,eiotbfiilyietnhptnehoeesxfvvosernrmieeeaedmrtitesucooriaicmeiivtete:laonristifuraolualy
ready to ready to go into the discussion of Mr. Canning's
report the result of thdeidredintoqutihreiescototun.
claims and merits to the gratitude of his country. At
present he would confine himself to the proposal ef a Com-
mittee,
moved the names of, the Como
future meeting of the subscribers. This suggestion was
sculptors,inittee, which
and shouldt
to
we obaeArved the names of Lord Wharncliffe,
mitTteene,
that he was induced to take the Chair
. • . receive subscriptions ; their number was en-
larged to
Seafor'd, Mr. Huskisson, Mr. Sturges Bettrne, &c. &c.
Earl of HARROWBY on thanks h. Lord
The -sing voted, to the
request of the Committee, f F.
itcnarhigtateeeidontaon:G:aid,
at the first, from Os great per-
sonal respect to the memory of Mr. Canning ; and second-
ly, from the circumstance of his haying
in the Administration, of
the first official
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Mr. Westmacott were
whichP 1 s ee
read, suggesting estimates of the intended Monument, but
no resolution was passed respecting them.
Apologies were made for the absence of Mr. Raring and
several other members, who were necessarily absent, in
consequence of their appointment on, the Finance'C,onamit-
tee. The meeting was numerously and respectably, at-
tended. Among the subscribers present we notice the
Duke of Devonshire, the Duke of Norfolk, the illarquie
of Sligo, Marquess of Clanricarde, Earl Morley, Lord Sea-
ford, Lord Wharncliffe, Hon. E. 'Petre, Hon. Agir Ellis,
the Knight of Kerry, and many distinguished Members
of both Houses of Parliament.
-------- e----.'es•-•!Fss,essee.

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PRINTED and PUBLISHED by M. YOUNG, at tke
Su OFFicw, Na. 112, Strand.

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)g ton in the House of Lords, and con- take to see the ChanCellor of the Exchequer, and state to him Administration.
at amendment was of no importance, or what passed. I went to my own office, and having requested Right Honourabl
exposed to the charge of captiousness. my Right Hon. Friend the Chancellor of the Exchequer
oert:Luta"' one
irable Gentleman must, be aware to wait upon me, I stated to him what passed between m}y deligence and axe'
Members belonging to the pre- Right Hon. Friend opposite (Mr. Tierney) Lord Goderich, stength, and man,