The Sun.
London, England, 1819-12-03 00:00:00

HOUSE' or COMMONS.

A Copy of the Resolutions of the East India
Coinpany, rel-itive to the'graoting of certain Pen.
iions, pursuant to the direction of the House, was-
oi &red to lie on the table.
The Report of the ComMittee of Supply was
bronelit up by Mr. BROGDIIN, and its Resolutions.
read and agreed to.
The Report of the Committee on Stamp Duties
brought up, and its Resolutions read, and a
Bill ordered.
Mr BENNET (of Wiltshire) presented a petition
from certaiti Individuals in the City of Bride-
town, praying for the needful assistance to carry
them to Upper Canada, or any other of his Ma.
jesrv's Dominions.
Mt . Bat 4 NET rose to give notice, that on Thurs-
day the 9fh inst., he should submit to the House
I motion on the State of the Manufacturing Dis-
tricts of the County of L.4neaster.
sEnmoOs MEETING Buz.

Lord CASTLEREAGH having moved the order of
the day for the second reading of the Seditious
.11leelino Bill,
Mr. M. A.TAYLoR begged leave to atk•a ques-
tion of H Noble Lord opposite. whether it was the
intention of his Majesty's Ministers to propose
any alteration or amendment in the Bill, or to
allow it to stand in the state it then was; he was
poceediog to di,cuqs the-matter, when
Toe STESAKER called him to order. -

A TAYLOR and observed, that
it WAS 111%t lI'S intention to debate.nio the Istthif et
betorr. the House, but merely to ask a simple

question.
L rd CASTLERRAGH was sure that the Hon.
Alembc.r too much ex lierl.2nce not to know
,11,,it the Committee was the place for discussing
the details.
Mr. GRENFELL rose, and was about to state his
opiision on the Bill, when
Lord CASTLEREAGH put it to the Honourable
Gentleman whether it would not he more conve-
nicot to give his sentiments on the question for
the second reading.
Mr. GRENFELL acquiescing, the order of the
dAy was rva(l. .

The SOLICITOR-Gesuttat then got tip to move
the sc.-1...d reading of the Bill, when
Mr TlE:itself observed, that if the Noble Lord
(Castlereagh) did not intend to commence the
debate, it was open to his Honourable Friend
tli s!,eak.
After some further discussion, in which Lord
Cot leo cagh, Mr. 'fief ney, llt. Grenfell, the
Svt aker, and Mr. Percival. participated,
GBRNFELL said, he would detain the House
,ew minutes, in employing that ppportu-
ni•y a,iptaint them with the opinions he enter.
tain,d, anll the conduct he intended to pursue in
eon*equeuce of his °Onions, on the grew subject
yvhico at present occupied almost the exclusive at.
teat ion of the House. He would briefly suite.
• that he had absrain,d, on a former occasion, fruits
giving his vote either on the question for an
apeudinent, or on the motion at the. Noble Loid
(Castlereagh) on Tuesday last, purely from trio-
Oyes of a personal nature. Ile hoped he had not.
been guilty of a dereliction of his ditty in so do-
ing.lo the present instance, however, when the
matter cense before him in a public point of view,
he could lint allow hit private feelings. to inter-
ere ; and be rose now for the purpose of staling.
in the face of the House, that from the ioforma-
,tion he had derived trom.the paper; at present
before it, he should fet I it incumbent on him to
support all the measures announced by the Noble
Lord (Castlereagh) on Monday last, as the in-
tentiutt of his Majesty's Ministers to introduce,
reset vin{,, however, the right of objecting to or
supporting any modification or amendment in any
one of •he same which might hereafter he pro.
posed. For the present he should content himself
with moving the second leading of the
(Cloesing.)
The SOLICITOR-GENERAL then rose, and said,
that however much the measures proposed by his
Majesty's Ministers on the present occasion might,
at first view, he considered by some Gentlemen
inimical to the interests of the country, or ina-
dequate to the purposes intended by them, he was
fully convinced that, after their general character
came to he known, and the question more tho-
- roughly understood, they would not fail of meet-
ing with the support they deserved. In conse-
quence of the absence of his Learned Friend (the
Attorney-General) he had to claim the indulgence
of the House whilst he performed the duty which
devolved upon him, of going through the details
of the measures about to be submitted to the
House. He was convinced that, upon due con-
sideration of them, they would be found not to
go one step beyond the present necessities which
gave rise to them. A disposition had been maul-
tested by she Gentlemen on the opposite side of
the House to undervalue the extent of the danger,
and it had been attempted to represent to the
House that the danger was confined to the Co'in-
ties of Lancaster and Chester only. To show the
fallacy of such notions it would only be necessary
to advert to facts of notoriety, which were be-
fore the public. He could state upon his own
responsibility, that the Counties of Northumber-
land, Cuniberland, Durham, and the vicinity of
Glasgow, were in a state of disaffection and open
hostility so Government almost approaching to
iehellion.-,-(Hear, hear, hear o—Leaving out of
consideration all that had taken. place tinder
their more immediate observation in London, and
laking.the range of country front the West Rid-
- log of York to the north- of Glasgow, including,
perhaps, the Most -active parCof 'the population
of the kingdom, actuated by this hostile spirit,
be-thought there were sufficieht ground, for mak-
tlee measures general in their applicatiol:--
.0-fear 1.)--He• trusty& these considerAions would
Ise accepted as sufficiently answering the objeitiOrt
which Lad been made to the measures nut being

of S partial nature. The circumstance whieh was
most alarming in the operations of the seditious
was the unremitting activity they evinced in the
purspit of their object, the rapidity with which
their pernicious principles were diffused from their
head-quarters in Lancashire, which showed not
only. the necessity_ of the restrictive. measures
about to be proposed, hot of their immediate en-
._
forcemeut—(l-lear !)—Weie all the causes which
led to the events of the French Revolution to he
1_05t,,,,.0 the House ? Who did not know that it
was t:lre metnifacturing districts that first showed
theeepitit of rebellion, and that it was to the
imeiness of the others that was owing all the
fatal consequences that had been so much deplor-
ed ? The particular points to which the present
treasures directed their operation were—training
to tile use of arms ; the collecting of arms, for
the purpose of carrying into effect designs formed
aettinst the Constitution of the country ; and
thittily, what was of great importance, the means
resorted to in order to intimidate, for the purpose
of checking all opposition, and to give clean-
ragenient to the abettors and partisans of the
system.—He would take this opportunity to call
to the recollection of the House the incentives
which had been held out to assassination,
and which bad been publicly and unblusb•
inely advocated as a principle by the press
He would particularly advert to •a Matiches-
ter print, which. in terms not to be misconstru-
ed, openly pointed at an indivilual as all object
of hatred, and concluded by asking, if there was
'' no unble Brutus ready to raise a dagger against
such tyrants !"—(Hear, heat I.)—The next- cir-
cumstance be should notice a,, one of the means
employed with the same design, was the numerous
assemblies of large tiumbets collected under pre-
tence of discussing .Perlianientaty Reform, but in
reality for the putpose of showing their strength,
in orecr to intimitlete their opponents, and en-
conrege their partisans.—(Hear !)—Another of
the objects contemplated in the measures proposed
was the present state of the Press—he meant that
part of it, which he should denominete the'eheap,
or low press, end which was admitted by the
Gentlemen opposite, to be so tmrch in need of re-
striction. Having finis pointed out the leading
features of the measures projected, for the oppo-
sition of that mischievous system at present in
practice, by the enemies of the country, the ques-
tion to be considered was, whether they were of
that wise, discreet, moderate, and constitutional
description, which it was desirous they 8/weld be. ,!
The first instance to which he should call the at-
tendon of the House, was what respected' the Li-
berty of the Press. All that was asked on this
head was that there should be some security from
the authors of cheap- publications, that ip the
teem of their beitte convicteci by a Jury of their
country, there should he wherewithal to'pay the
flute. They were not left at the-discretion of a
Magistrate. No previous censorship was demend-
ed.—(Hear ! from the Opposition.)—He would
ask Gentlemen, if a 'machine of this formidable
nature was to be entrusted to persons of such a
description as at present wielded it. without any
security ? !In order to obviate any difficulties
which might arise in defioing the classes of publi-
cations on- which the tax ,hotild tall, it was pro-
posed to lay it on alt such as discussed political
subjects- in the meatier of newspapers. It was
next plopesed that after one coerictien, the
offender' should be visited wi,h an increased de-
gree of punishment ; a principle, which, he
thought, could not in candour be objected to,
and the more so when it was considered that this
was
.only at the discretion of the Judges. On
the subject of the military training, which
was carried to such an alarming excess through-
out the conotry, it was true that the laws, as
they now stood, made' it .high treason for any
one who was convicted of training to military
exercises for the purposes of overturning the
Government ; but as it was obviously 'difficult to
bring home to persons their motives and inten-
tions, it was proposed that no such training be
permitted to he carried on without permission.
It was also proposed to institute new modes of
prosecution against persons charged with misde-
meanors, with a view to accelerate their trials ;
but ample time was in all cases allowed for the
preparation of the defence, and, es it was postible
that individuals might not be' afforded a fair trial
in the Courts below, it 'was in their power to re-
move it to the superior Courts. Magistrates were.
to have the power of seizing at ins which were
kept for purposes inconsistent with- the public
safety. In granting these powers, homever, there
was no just apprehension that the liberty of the
sulijeet should be encroached upon, as they could
not be exercised without evidence having first
been laid before the Magistrate that they were
kept for soch illegal purpOses, and atter the
seizure it would be still open for the owner to
come with evidence of the iunoxious purpose; if
their restoration should then be refused, he could
carry the matter before a higher Court. Hav-
ing thus dismissed the preliminary hearings of
these measures, be would take the present occa-
sion to advert to the charge which had been
thrown out against the Law Officers of the CroWn
—that all the evils respecting the Press were
owing to them. lie mainly attributed all that
growth of libel which had taken place within the
last three years to the effect produced by the ac-
quittal of Hone upon three libel, of a most hiaa-
phernous and seditious character;. and when it
Was known' that individuals were found in the
country who had hailed thateacqeittal, and that
persons had been found to come forward with sub-
scriptions which had raised that man to a state of
affluence, he thought it was unjust to attribute to
the Officers of the Crown the progress which had
been made in sedition since that period.. It had
been said that it was the -object of the Bill to
put down all meetings. 11 would be seen,
however, that this was far from being the
real character of, it, Meetings would still be held
under-the sanction of the Lord Lieutenant of 'tire
County, a Certain. number of Magistrates., or the
Foremen. of the Grand Jury; and 'if all these
-should refuse their countenance to any meeting,
it would be evident that its object could not be
gOOd. Even in this case, however; -the people.
would still retain their poWer of meeting, as they
tnight meet iii their own parishes or townships.
wduld•not eriter"roore infir, detail at present, as
the principle of the Bill was all that we, now Uu•

der diseusilon. The permanent character of the
Bill had been one of the objections made to it,
but he would remind the House, that the spirit it
was directed against bad been in course of pro-
gress during the last three or four years. In spite
of all the efforts that bad been made to repress it,
as soon as the restric►ive measures bad been taken
off, it unfolded itself with the same bitter, the
same hostile character as before.—(Hear !)—They
had been told to conciliate, but to concede with
the Reformers would be to succumb, and to give
fresh vigour to their cause, and fresh spirits to
their-partisans.—(Hear, hear, hear !)—The Hon.
and Learned Gentleman concluded by apologizing
to the House for the length of time he had de-
-1 tallied it.

Mr. LYTTLI3ToN hoped be would not be charged
with vanity when he declared that he rose with
more confidence, on the present occasion, than he
had ever done before. He deriVed this confidence
from a conviction of the soundness of the princi-
ples of the measures to which he :i•as about to
give his support. He rather regretted the neces-
sity he was under of dill; ring from those he was
in the habit of co-ooet wing with, in considera-
tion of the recent 'min .:yoked attack "which had
been made on them by the Noble Lord opposite.
Had the measure been founded on the notoriety
of certain facts alone, be would have suppsrted
it. and doing this he was sure he should have been
justified by nine-tenths of all the anbiassed men
in the country. He appealed to the House, if
the meetings which had taken place within the
last few years had not menaced the peace and
tranquiility of the State, and sufficiently proved
that those who had been most active in calling
them, aimed at nothing les, rlevolution.
Several meetings had takto piste since the fast
prorogation of Parliament, which was clearly of
this description. At the Meet's?. held at Hunslet
Moor, though the Hon. Member for Bishop's
Castle bad read some of the Resolutions there
come to. as it to prove that they had a loyal ten-
dency, he (Mr. Lyttleon) thought the treasona-
ble ottenttoos of those by whom they were framed
were apparent. He begged to remind the House,
that it st as there detjrmined on depot y
and district meetings, with a view of noir hie the
whole to give a general signal for rising and in-
surrection. He world ask, whether it was not
the ditty of that House to put down such pro-
ceedings by force. To the Hunslet Moor Meeting
succeeded that at Birmingham, at which that most
extravagant pi oceeding took place, theeffrontery of
\vinch was only exceeded by its constitutional vii-
election of a Legislatorial Attorney to
sit in that House, hi'the person of Sir C.Wolseley.
No papers were necessary to be laid before the
House to prove the designs of the Radicals after
such a proceeding.-. The Leeds and Manchester
Meetings he next noticed. Into the proceedings
connected with the latter he thought Ministers,
it they did their duty, would institute an inquiry.
He entertained an idea that the- Magistrates had
acted under circumstances of great provocation 5
and if they had overstepped the law, as he was in-
clined to think they had ; it was infinitely better
that this should be 'moved ; that all should be
known that coolil he proved against them, ratissr
than that the calumnies which were tiow abriiad
should remain unretuted in ohe-minds. of- the lotsaf.
Would any man say of the Manchester Meeting
that it ought to have heen tolerated, or that, if it
were not contrary to law, it Were not high time
that the law should be altered to p, event the re-
currence ot such meetings ? Several treetingS of
an alarming nature had - since takeo place. From
the testimony of several persons of undoubted
credit he onderstood.,the•Meeting at Birmingham
to baYe had every charactet of a rebellious assault
before a military force made' its appearaece. On
this case he would have advised the Noble Lord
to found the measure now betose the House. This
would have been better than; giving the papers
which had been laid before the House, and then
inconsistently (as he .thought), refusing to cOn-
tient to any inquiry being set on foot that might
lead to their verification. The papers, however,
in his judisment, went to prove that a fatal and
extensive conspiracy had been formed. They bad
the testimony of the Manchester Magistrates—the
declaration of the Magistrates at the Cheshire
Quarter Sessions, in which schools where disaffec-
tion was ownly taught had been mentioned, and
the fact offered to be verified. There was a letter
• from the Earl of Derby speaking of the arming of
the people ; added to this, were depositions that
were not anonymous, made on the 10th of Au-
gust, which went to-corroborate the former state-
ment, and prior to this they had seen the spirit
of disaffection manifested in the assassination of
Bitch the constable. The declaration of the Lan-
caster Grand Jury announced the existence or a
conspitacy, not only against Government, but
against all private property. This was marked
by the extensive circulation of seditious writings,
by a system of intimidation being resorted to—by
military trainingS, and by a systematic detertni-
nation to refuse payment -of rent and takes. That
men should refuse to pay taxes, being discon-
tented wilt the Government, and in doubt as to
the countenance of its authority, might be one of
the ordinary features of disaffection ; but that
they should determine on refusing to Tay their
rents as well, seemed to prove them to have lost
all sense of right. They had before them evi-
dence which could not be surpassed in point of
respectability on the disturbed state of the West
of Scotland. Was it trite that the Duke of Hamil-
ton, wishing to gain signatures on a loyal Ad-
' dress, and to form a corps for the preserva-
tion of the peace, and the protection of pro-
' petty, had found both impossible ? If this
Were so, the fact, added to the other circum.
stances Whitt' he had noticed, and combined with
the 'violent proceedings which had taken place at
Paisley,
.justified' him in maintaining, first, that
a measure founded on the principle of that be-
fore the House, was justified by the notoriety
of certain transactions; and 2d, that much had
been made out in its favour by the papers laid on
the table. -But then caine the question, whether
the present laws, if -vigorously enforced, would
not he sufficient to repress the evil ? He was not
*of this opioibn. He'did not know whether the
laws might not have been equal to the task at a
former perindl but nOW, after the Course `which
had been pursued,- that strong measures were tie-
, cessary to overwhelm the torrent of blasphemy

and sedition which had assailed as, he could n't
more doubt than he could that be was at that
moment addressing the Speaker. Though the
spirit of Treason was manifest in many of thus°
papers which had been alluded to, and which it
had been a matter of complaint that the Atcore
ney-General had omitted to prosecute, he wa3 f
opinion that there was but a poor chance of 0"
taining a conviction in Middlesex, after the a"
quittal of Mr. Hone. The defence then set 01)
was ridiculous, as it went on the assumption, 01:
because the libel prosecuted was seditious as well
as blaephemons, its publisher must be innocelo.
Ile believed the acquitted person had found Ili°
defence in the motives of Isis prosecutors. ghat
acquittal had operated as a license for the pabliciP!
tion of blasphemy and sedition. In the last vest'
,
things had taken a turn, and it became doubtful
where prosecutions would not have been nor°
successful, as it bad been found that dories were
ready to do their duty in the case of that miselei
ble wretch and execrable offender, Carlile.
he was of opinion that the old laws -were tel
sufficient, seeing they had never contemplated
such an abuse of the right of petitioning es
lately been witnessed. He believed that it we'
absolutely necessary that this Bill should p9O,
and be made immediately efficacious. Whateves
was necessary for this purpose, he would readil
subscribe to. If, as had been contended, the el,
was found to be local, be hoped Ministers Would
exercise an unbiassed judgment on the question,
whether the remedy ought not to be local 81°'
and confined to the disturbesecounties. Au 107
Friend had objected to the measure under Vin6e.
Aeration of being made permanent, as the c. 404
of it was said to be transient,—the
distress. He would admit that if tie exist'nt
distresS could be removed, the evil eeemje.ebritle
to such a size that the present laws (eight ng
able to cope with it ; for he did not belie°
that the people of England, blessed ettsh "cc
noblest and best Constitution that had et
been- learned for any country, woule fur 0 n'tt;
ment be disposed to rise against it, hit 40111r 4
the pressure of ealemi:y. But could tee distress
be suddenly removed ? This was not so be l'`)?;
ed, and he therefore- thouget, instead of eres'"l,"t
the Bill for a few years, it might Is, better
it shoned be made local, and being weee •I'
to
would, in fact, be temporal y He agrerd 4110
the greater part of what bad been said AJRip
coercion, amid could only approve of coercive foe
ai
sines ter the prevention and futilisimiettf
crimes, which ie no other way could fie V
down. He agreed with those who favoured 041
l:
ciliation, so far as to wish to see mat sort cu'
ciliation, which was never to be discovered tII 11'o
measures of his Majesty's Ministers.--(tine
hear, bear !)—He wished to conciliate the
pie by a system of real economy —(Hear, beiot
hear !)—Bet Ministers, he believed, bed VI,
the word conciliation out of their vocabulare
together. According to them, the people `vce,
always- wrong, and were never to he conciliated,
From the course they were in the habit of pasw
themeesures nuev about to be placed in tiPle
hands seoelsi fuse much of their effect. He "'illy.
ed see them adopt a system of concilietioneol
stead of that of aggravation on which they "to
hitherto acted. Pailiamtie ore Roortn was let ie
called for. Inquiry s-n this subject ze thele
would produce an effect the opposite M conc
tion. This was not his opinion. He had thotert of
after uniting on the present occasion to
down the rebellious spirit now in the couture
• ter/
that they might, without losiny, sight of !hoc ox
nity, safely proceed to an inquiry, the rest Toe
which would perhaps do away some of tedese
abuses which at present weakened and deface",ep
legislation and administration of the cootrsdeo,
Acting on their present system, the new ,
sures would be more abortive in the boo° le
Ministers than in any other hands. Al/he:ell
said this be by no means wished that those,' tvo
whom he was in the habit of acting slien)(,li
called to office.. lie should be sorry for ti'vis
it were to happen, as the Noble Lord 0' et
high in public estimation, would lose his inflere„e
with the people if. promoted by his Soverje,
And he believed whet they (the Whigs) cotit`',
coi»plish in office (allowing for the weeklies of
human nature).—(A laugh.)--would nor Istoll
such importance to the country as to 004,, s 0
in wishing for a chenge. Still he could wnt
alteration to take place. Authority in the l'4lyl
of the Noble Lord at the head of the Heinle
,0,
payment, would but provokecontempt and tit het
tent from the unsparing severity with whiels welt
knew it would be used. He could tmot but ijee
that Ow Noble Lord, much as he reseeel4(e bit
in private life, were removed from office, 81—,04-1
situation filled, not by one of those at° hot
now considered the advocates of the pear
by one of his own party. ere
ea r
Ml'. MACDONALD said, had the meas“r of $
posed not been, as inflamed as the speech
Hon. and Learned Gentleman, who, trays
from London to Glasgow, coal discover o° 00
but treason and seditionee the face of everrae
he met by the way, lie should have beets g arnit
come to a vote on a proposition for seieil,
and preventing illegal training, without reser
to the confidence he was in the habit of rca oto
in she present Government, and of giving which
at once reconcileable with the proteetinr,l,ee tV„
the peaceable population of what were cad0
see:
disturbed districts bad a right to claim, al/ Cop
the permanent interests of the Country and cof
StitUt ion. He, however, could not uPPr°v_ es aloe'
course intended to be pursued, as, after theo 0,0
of all the coercive measures which had bee
to ?to
sorted to, it was now thought necessary owe I
recourse to further violence. It vevg c f
re Ot,
this, that a tax must be imposed on Ibe r Joe/ ,
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meet the expellee creates! by main.teialo uottle'oi
additional troops in the bosom of tt4c
othertee
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House of Commons could have been 31;be alnsee
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fore such a change received their s4OO osbasocli
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e 4iion .of the country. One Noble Lord, on
llie°Pposite side, in a speech which had done
~:i's great honour, had admitted the disaffection
At erg in the country grew out of its distress.
eie''ther Noble Lord, in bringing forward the new
144" ires, had taken a view not only of what had
p•ansPired in this country, but also of what had
:irsed in others. If he were to indidge the Noble
following him through this view, he
ssty that he could see nothing but an over-
-4:.1. of the subjects of other countries with
tioto ,ing armies llisproportioned to their popola-
tot' hot still more to their means, to establish a
lert of Inquisition against their liberties at
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(I Corroborate The report that was abroad, that
ilielte measures were adoeted with such a view,
eotieert with the foreign Poteetates, but this
i"'our he had no doeht was as gross a calumny
t:'"lil be uttered. Inquiry into the lite pro-
tlings was actually necessary, and he was re-
that one had been called for by his Noble
eele,n'l, the Member for Northampton ; and he
lest hardly yet believe that the House, in re-
te7l")g it, meant to content itself with the brief
.41ed and compiled by the Secretary of State
ton,lselfr against whom the very situation of the
tntry furnished a prima facie ground of Recta-
4e.'". He charged the Government, and as God
list his judge, it was without either envy or me-
te' With having ex asperated the people when
they (flight have soothed them, and wi•li having,
I:: their misconduct, aggravated evils which they
et:ght have lessened. With these feelings he
:1(1 not consent to put more soldiers at the dis-e
e. 41 of Government, or to give new measures of
110.iettoti coercion. He called upon the
(lose to pause before they did this, and he called
111:
8"4 them in the conviction that the plans now
if"e'l to would not produce the desired effect.
a 12,000 additional soldiers were given now,
;;ii(100 would shortly be wanted, and the miser-
bll' remeies of the right of petiiinning, about to
e left to the merry of churchwardens, would be
itil Ottleted. When the day should arrive that lan-
ee,4e like this should be called tor, and at rive it
"14,1
1"1, it the same course were persileed in, it
'''sid then be stool that the glory of the greatest
to,i`l
happiest nation of the earth had passed its
'weridian
41.eird LASCELLES.--.AS lie had been referred to
Iv4ilihing the existing disaffection to distress,
sited to explainl had • Iformer
wow reSit( on a
ter
e 'hog. After the last prorogetioo Parlia-
r"t, tie stated mischievous men to have gone
ult in the conetre, to infleme the minds of the
:4'!oretal "rie ex is nisi rt ss had produced
• 4t effect on their minds, that the machinations
,
Ote diSaff,cted were more successful than they
ttititt friiet \%itte have been. This he believed,
Kilt had never said that the whole of the d.sal
K e
""tion arose from dist nibs.
Mr, DAv F. 1.0.0 T would support the measures
"ttore the House, because he thought there Dever
*tc." a period when House was Wore impera-
-40ly called upttu to adopt strong niensto es to
t"' down the diseffei lion which existed, and
1:1"eii, not, checked time, would destroy the
"Oetled people themseiees, and subsequently the
"ele of the country Advaw age hart been taken
"f; the distress it hick revelled to- ittflione the,
,aitt~
of the poor; het it was not in the districts
distress most prevailed that the people had
ii" 1,11 clamorous. He reprobated the setinious and
'"Pbeieoes publications which had lively issued
trout the press, and celled upon the House, by
vwtitigi them down, to defend the peace, good
aell religion, of the country.
Mr. FezeKetteer Was decidedly of opinion that
","114g mLisures were necessary,-•o put down dis-
'llocl-ion. He- however thought, it the danger
here but local, the remedy would be the more
',Orient if made local also. He could wish the
to go on that principle, with a provision for
t4teneling the opt ration of it to other districts,
thould this he necessary.
, Mr. CHONITTOII and Mr. Peat. rose together.
Peet gave way.
Mr. CeolueTow merely rose for the purpose of
lite:leafing the North Riding of Yorkshire. He.
)I,:lit'%.ed there were no grounds for' charging that
dart of the minty with disaffection. He had never
`"aril of seditious practices being carried on there.
Mr, PI EL rose to give his • opinion on one or
;,tvi() blip gets, which had been so often discussed
`ll that House, that he should tear to offend by
the mere repetition, if he did not feel it of some
blortance thes he should speak on them, having
Lett prevented from doing so by indisposition,
t‘litell had kept him from the House sin=ce the
t/ight oat which it first met, The circumstances
•;11 which lie would offer a few observations, were
comiected with the meeting at Winchester.
:.'e was anxious to speak on this silbjece, r as he
• peculiatly conntcsed with. Lancashire; but
hotout to it by many lies, there was no-
41"iteg in his cennexioo with it that could [mike
t'nli give other than an impartial Opinion, for
IL! bed no relation or person et all near to
.t,'"111 among the Magistrates of Manchester.
iont the means he had of knowing what their
leouduct had been, with the convict ion he
ftrid of the motives wider which they had acted,
stir! bearing in mind the danger to which the town
tia`t (seen exposes, and the calamities with which
It (lad been assailed, he should abandon his duty
jt he did not offer them the compensation (a Very
fits
one, but the only one he could offer) of
I",t!* testimony in their favour,--a testimony alike
fitsioterested and siticere. Any man who had
`lreted his opinion on the conduct of the Man-
Magistrates, from the statements 4if what
t'!'Y did on the 16th of August, took a very ma-
`'‘v view et the question, and incapacitated him-
t'f from harming a correct judgment on the
"
ee,e.
5 of the case. Not only were the proceed-
-a-Ig', of that day, nor those of mouths preceding it,
;I:4,,flicielit to give a correct view of the merits of
111,e ease, but it was necessary that Getitlemen
have a knowledge of what had taken place
• ititin the last few years, and of the state. of so-
ciety iii that part of the country, to enable them
l;. .le
Of the measures which they had taken for
11:►e preservation tit property on that day, and of
and he would say it, of the success, of
exertions. It was perfectly true that the
Il4rties slid meet avowedly for the purpose of pefi-
441'ing Varliameut. It was true that that was the

g,tll) and the pi de vtrorts by, the preparations in-
ieuded to stimulate the naultitude to other p
poses. It was perfectly -trite' that -they came
into Manchester with a baud ptaying " God
save the King," and carrying banners in
scribed " Order," and " Peace to All." It
was also perfectly true that the chief Demagogue
called upon them to observe order, and avoid
ail impropriety of conduct ; but would any matt
say that such specious pretences ought to have
lulled the Magistrates into security, and induced
them to give up the measures which they had pre-
viously adopted to preserve the peace during the
meeting ? He wished the House to look at •the
situation of the Magistrates. Fortner meetings,
called for a purpose, had taken phice there.
These were recorded, anti the record was doubt-
less in the hands of the Magistrates. lie alluded
to a document contained in the Report of the
Secret Committee of time House of Lords. That
Report would show the sentiments entertaiued of
these meetings by that Committee, composed of
persons as respectable as could he named to con-
duct any intpiry. Part of this he would read, hot
he most first state that iu 1817, two meetings rook
place to petition for a Reform in At the
first of these Meetings, which was attended by
about 10,000 pto,on., the monstrous resolution
was adopted of dividing th,msetvcs into tens, and
petitioning the Iltioce Regent by tens. The se-
cond meeting was of a still more alarming nature.
It was such as no man could cootemplate without
apprehending a public commotion, or without
perceiving that all moral feeling was extirpated in
those who concurred in the plans connected wiili
it. The object of it was thus descrioad " It
was on the night of the 30th of March, that a
general insurrection ►ras intended to take place.
The Magistrates were to be seized, the pcisoners in
the jails liberated, and the soldiers overpowered
in their quarters, or premises were to he fired
at some distance from theta, with a vie•v of
drawing them thither, while the insurgents
took possession or their barracks and secured the
magazine and their arms. Happily this project
was discovered a few days before, and this eir-
cutnst ance served materially to check the conspi-
I With such a document hetore them,

would the Magistrates have been justified in not
taking measures to guard against wattage ? Sup,
pose they had not done this, what a case would
then have been made out against them.. If they
had not acted as they did, with what po.‘ertol
el,,goenee would they not have been attacked as
the agents and abettors of the mob, whose out-
rages (bey had failed to prevent. Now they
heard many complaints against Magistrates from
those who tumid it easy to blame, whatever
might be done. He, for his own part, not only
their conduct justified, but. believed it
impossible for any man to lay down a better
plan than that on elfish they hail acted. Some
said the meeting, it I, ft to itstit, would have dis-
persed peaceably. No man could more sincerely
deplore the loss of lives which h.ad occurred at
Manchester than he did; but at the comparative
calamity,—compating what had occulted u Is is
what might hate °relit red—lie did not regret the
interference of the Magoitrates. But some said,
why not zdey nnertere to prevent the Meeting
altogether? He could ~,kb to ask how they would
advise that this shimld he done Here were per-
sons march 11,4 o!li Rochdale and other places in
Tao 'ies of 4 of 500 si tong How were the -Magi-
strates to pr vent the meeting From taking place ?
Were they to send two or tin ee constables to ex-
postulate with the advancing Reformers, to advise
them to keep away ? Would not such a step
have been to make the civil power „look quite
ridiculous ? Would they then have sent a military
force to interfere if the civil power were not at-
tended to ? This they could do. But suppose
such an expedient had been ventured on ; and
suppose a detachment ef the military to have been
overwhelmed by a body of Reformers! %Vhat
would have been the moral effect of this ? He
would say, that the consequences of such a colli-
sion must have been fatal. He was bound to say,
that Ministers were not only not to blame for giving
the thanks of the Prince Regent to the Manches-
ter Magistrates, but that in this instance, their
conduct was most praiseworthy.—(Hear, hear,
hear !)—Had they acted differently, they would
have proved 'themselves most unfit for their
situations, in times like the present. But then it
was said, this was done on he Magistrates' own
report. He, in reply to this, would ask, if it was
not to he assumed that he who was qualified to
exercise the (unctions. of a Magistrate, might be
depen,ted oil fora faithful report of the proceed-
ings of that day. Had not the thanks of that
House been often given to a General on his own
statement of an action ? What would have been
thought, it, when the Duke of %Vellington wrote
that he had defeated the enemy, Ministers had re-
plied to him—" We have reason to think that
Marshal Victor will give a different .report on this
subject to his Government, and that certain Gen-
tlemen of the Opposition will find fault with your
proceedings; and so till these things are cleared
up, we cars come to no decision in this business,
and the whole of your statement must be sus-
pected )" Could tiny man suppose that under
such a system we could ever hope fur Ge-
nerals like the Duke of %Irellington, or for
Magistrates who would manfully do their du-
ty ? He would ask those who approve of our
general system of police, if they were nut tak-
ing a course that was extremely well calculated
to augment the number Of stipendiary Magistrates,
by deelaiming.as• they did against those whose
services were voluntarily and gratuitously given.
No- lessou was more distinctly traced in letters of
blood, than that which should warn Ministers
from fearing to commend those who at a time like
the present had resolutely performed their duty.
It would be fatal to the best.. interests of the coun-
try, if Government, from .e dread of popular'
clamour, shrunk from giving thanks where they
were due. From The speech of his Honourable
and Learned Frieinl M'Donald), he could
hardly believe that he meant to vote against_
the measure now before the House. He bad
said that 12,000 men had been called for, but that,
• 24,000 would be necessary ; and, upon the whole,
he had left a sort of an impression on his mind,
that he thought the measures called for were hardly
sufficient to 'meet. the danger.—No wan was
more• 81140111 than It'unsel( for the preservation of

papillae rights, bet no oat that seers be mane of
them could be better calculated to bring them
into ridicule and contempt, than that to which
they had lately..been prostituted. The measures
now called .for were justified by the letters re-
ceived from the Earl of Derby, Earl Fitzwilliam,
and the Duke of Hamilton. Every men must
find in the communications of those Noblemen
sufficient grounds to think that the danger of the
country was extreme.—(Hear, bear, hear !)—lt
appeared from the letter of Lord Fitawilliam,
that 17 or IS Resolutions had. been adopted at
the Hunslet Moor Meeting. Among these was
one stating the National Debt of the country,
which God knows was large enough without such
additions, to amount to one hundred thousaed
millions.-a-(HearS hear, hear !)—This was the
way in which the minds of the ignorant were en-
lightened by itinerant orators. The Resolution
which tollowed was atill more tidieulons, but
also more dangerons. it stated the system of
Saving Banks to be a gross insult on
..the
common sense and real understanding of the
people, and to have been devised by the lalanse
for the purpose. He wool(' defy any mail
who should apply his whole life to the subject to
guess what those men pretended to think
ment had in. contemplation, for the purpose of
enabling the Bank of England to pay the fractional
pars of the dividends,—(Hear, hear, hear !)--
The Resolutions then concluded by declaring, that
as soon as an eligible person should he found
willing to accept the representation of Leeds, ano-
ther Meeting should he called to confer that repre-
sentadou upon him ! He should ask the House
whether this was not a most gross abuse of the
right of meeting I But let it not be supposed that
ells evil stopped Oleic. Let the House hear
what Lord Fitzwilitam said respecting the
itinerant demagogues. He stated that be had
not vet seen the Resolutions adopted at the
Floosie! Moor Meetiug, because the Managers
at that Meeting had not diessed them up to
their own liking tor piloting, for they did
nor scruple to mis-state and misrepresent the
actual Resolutions which had been passed. Did
not every one see that the danger to popular
rights did not proceed from the coercive measures
oposed, but trona the ails of !hose men who
thus perverted their use ? When lie considered
all the perils resulting from such iondoct, he could
not conceal the maanitude ut his apprehensions.
Gentlemen. might talk of an intention to invade
certain rialvs, hut he would ask them whether
the Country did not possess other rights than
those Which they cooceived to be threatened ?
(Hear, hear, hear !)—Let them compare those
which Were tse be invaded with those w hick it
was intended by that very invasion to preserve—
(Hear, hear, hear !)-11e should like to take 'a
total stranger, and atter he had seen how our
Constitution insured to the-people peace, liberty
of opinion and of speech, anti the esjoyment of
free rights, to place him on any spoi he pleased
near Manchester, or in the disturbed districts, and
bin ask him what he thought of the practical
effect of those rights, anti whether he tbotight that
the British Constitution answersd all the purposes
for which it had been established ?—(hear !)
Let the case of Murray be examined, a loyal and
peaceable man, who, on leaving Manchester and
moving on the. King's high raid, found a bot!y
of 1,500 men at drill. They•invited him to join
them, and-heSreimed. They them chose to take
him for a spy,
,pursued him, and compelled Hun
to tf,9 on his knees and forswear his allegiance to
his Sovereign as the price of his life;--(Hear,
hear, hear !)—hiit not of personal protection, for
he was treated and wounded iu tile most atrocious
manner.—(Hear, hear, hear !)—What was the
melancholy appeal that he, a loyal subject, guilty
of no offence, made to them ; A For God's sake,
treat me as an enemy would if I was their pri-
soner."—(Hear, hear !)—Woold any man call that
the liberty of the subject ?—(Hear, hear !)—lt
was one of the objects of the Constitution to guard
'that libeirty, and it it could not guard it effectual-
ly, it must be made to do so.—(Bear, hear !)
Let the House look at Lord Derby's letters ; and
see what facts he stated respecting the degree of
intimidation which prevailetl. He could not melt-
den his Lordship's name without expressing his
strong approbation of the manner in which he
• (Lord Derby), opposed as he was in political
opinion, to his Majesty's Ministers, had concili-
ated the feelings of every loyal man iu his county.
—(Hear, hear, hear !)—His Lordship first stated,
that troops were insufficient, and that it was ne-
cessary to foto) orated associations. He wrote to
the Secretary of State, and proposed a plan to
that effect. But saute time past he held corn-
munications with the local authorities, and what
was the result ? That io a third letter he stated
be had much difficulty its finding a sufficient
!somber of officers. He had, however, procura
et) enough for one battalion, but it was impose
sible to provide any men—(Hear, hear, hear !)
Should such a state of things he allowed to con-
thole, when the disaffected were regularly trained
anti (billed, and the loyal so intimidaied as not to
dare to come forward ?—(Hear, hear!)—The
Duke of Hamilton and Brandon .stated that he
had no "doubt of the loyalty of the people in his
comity, but that he loom, it impossible to indtice
any of thens to sign their names to p•declara.ion
that they were reaq to come forward in defence
of the public peace, in consequence of the
dation tinder which they laboured. Was this li-
berty? Let. the House consider the inevitable con-
sequences of such intimidation. He did not speak
of the first class of society, who had the .means of
acting in a manner independent of the times. But
what was the condition of people of a isiore neoa
iterate rank and tortoise With what difficia-
ties,and temptations were they not surrounded,
if the House should not afford them prOtec-
tion? Wotild Parliament stand on human firmness
and virtue to stem the torrent ?—(lltar, hear !)
Asaseditious demagogoes had perverted the right
of meeting and petitioning, and the freedom of
speech, to the wont purposes; it became the
House -tOstake-casea that the -_greatest -blessing
which could .be bestowed on the people, should
not be converted into the greatest of 'evils.—
(Hear, hear, hear !)—Feeling the necessity of the
measurei----feeling that if it was limited to Weal dis-
tricts, it :might transfer the seat of the disorders
into othen,sand wishing to guard those that were
loyal and peaceable, against the introduction
.... • ...

of such practites and c:lnmities, tie conecive(t
that the House had only a ct.oice between two
evils--the farther resiriction of sortie valuable prim
vileges, or general anarchy and confusion, and the
communication of the curses under which the
manufacturing districts laboured. to those that
were agricultural and commercial —(Hear
Mr. SMYTH (of Canih• idgc) admicted the exist•
ence of considerahle.danger, and should assent to
any moderate measure for its repression. But he
considered the remedy now proposed ten thou•
sand times worse than the evils which it was In-
tended to remote. He concluded by recommend-
lug a system of conciliation, without which the
evils wi►►ch all must deplore and wish to repress,
would go on increasing froth day to day

. _
Mr. ABEriceoktßre declared that he Was one of
those who thought it necessary that something
should he done, but cone, ived that it o,,ght not
to he either general or permanent .—(llear, bear,
hear !)—He contended that all theargeturnts used
by the Hon. Member for the University of Ox.
Lord (Mr. Peel) established the tact that the dis-
°rails were heed, and that ,he measures adopted
should bear the saint character. It. would be
Ilse most monstrous injustice, especially consider.
Mg the precipitation with which the Bills were
introduced and pressed, to place the whole coun-
try under permanent restraints and disabilities, on
account of a few counties. Nothing was wore
unwise and unjust than to legisla e under the
pressure of a temporary alarm.-.!(Hear, hear !)---
He then described the ground. on wtiiell he ad.
twitted the existence ot great danger, and of the
necessity of me sires of repression. He should,
however, object to going iwo a Com4ti tee ',it 'he
present, it some limit were not affixed to i,s dura.
tion.—(Hear, bear !)
Lord A. HAMILTON. whO spoke in so low a
tone as to lie scarcely audible in toe Gallery, was
understood to object to the permanency of the
measure proposed, but to express ots ihtt• t on to
give it his sopport on account of the ocolar de-
monstration which he had nail of its necessity.
..
(IJear, hear, hear 1)
MI. COKE (of Norfolk) kvas unwilling to in-
crease the power Of Lends Li, torment, and con).
plained of the conduct of the Lord Lieutenant
of the County of Norfolk, who had lefused to pot
some Gentlemen oft the Commission of the Peace.
He (Mr. C.) had, however, applied to the Lorti
Chancellor, by whom they had intinediately and
politely been put ou the Commission. He be-
lieved Ministers had encouraged all the Meetings
that had taken place, in order to be able the
more easily to carry the present measures. It
Gentlemen could not see this they could see
not ping.—(Hear ! and laughter )
Lot d FoLsseoNe regretted that his Noble
Friend, and his Hon. and Learned Friend below,
should seem disposed to vote for the Bill, its the
hope that the provision that tended io make it
permanent might he altered in the Committee.—
How could they entertain such a hope after what
had fallen front the Solicitor-General and the Hon.
Member for the University of Oxford, who had
both expressed their conviction that it sitas neces-
sat 7 to give permanency to the measure I He
thought its duration ought to be limited, and
its operation to be [wide local. Ile therefore
thought a temporary measure, even for three
,months, should be tried, and time given for in-
ves'igation. A Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr.
Peel) had said, it was better that the blood which
was shed at Manchester, on the 16th, should be
lied, than that the meeting should meet'and se-
parate quietly. How strange must that disease
lv, which io the view of a Statesman, as the
Right Honourable Gentleman was, should reViee
such a remedy as this ? Its his opiniOn, die
avowal of the Right Honourable Gentleman,
.consbinel with Mr. Hay's letter, thowed that the
object of Government was to produce the result
which had taken place, and that if they bad
wished it, they could have prevented the meeting
of the 16th as they did that of the 9th. But
such was not their purpose; for a gentleman that
went down in the Manchester mail on the 13th,
stated at Buxton that the orators were to be
seized at the meeting by orders from the Secret.
tary of State. He was convinced that by passing
these Bills, they would be pulling down the main
pillars of the Constitution, and he could not as.
sent to them, though to put an end to the state
of anarchy described at once, he was willing to
agree to even stronger local and temporary mea-
sures. Bttt the Bill would involve the innocent
with the guilty, and the quiet with the unquiet,
and therefore he could not give his vote for its
second reading.
Mr. PEEL, in explanation, said, that however
mistaken by the Noble Lord, lie thought he had
qualified his expressions respecting the meeting
at Manchester sufficiently to guard himself from
the suspiciou of not feeling as deeply as any Hon.
Gentleman could for the calaniny of that day.
lie never under-rated the evil, and the Only reason
why he thought it better than if; it had taken
another course,. was that then another meeting
would, have taken place, and a collision between
the military and the people, io which much more
blond would have been sited. He was anxious to
state that such was his sense of the transaction,
lest by his expressions being taken in another way,
1
he might be misrepresented as ungenerous and in-
human—(Hear, hear I)

FOLKhTON dlsc la imed the idea of wish.

*tog to ifiii)ote any such motives to the Hight lion.
Geoileinao, and was glad he had given hint an
opporto, ify of expkii.ing hintseit more distinctly.
WILNIOT supported the Bill at eousiderable

length., as calculated not to eradicate but to limit
popular rigiit in a ''ay to promote the true
li-
betties of the suh,lect. He ridiculed the presump-
ti.m of the Nutdc Lord (lolkstone), that so col..
rupt a comblhation of Lords Lieutenant, Sheriffs,
and Gland Juries, as lie had surposed could exist
to d,!eat the wishes of the people. A great con•
spiracy existed against the safety of the State,
and it was absolutely necessary to provide means
for its detest. he Honourable Memb,:r, after
taking a view of the dangerous treasons of
local, and of the causes which rendered the multi-
tude so prone to be deluded, proceeded to animad.
vent on the baseness and infamy of their leaders.
They Vr ere meu who came under the description
01 those defined by Burke, against whom quiet
times was s sentence of obscurity ; and that one
of LLCM who bad done wore mischief than all :he

lest,..The nom %vim lead jnet Tetetrned 'froten die la el
lie bad tredaced to the land he now traduced,
bringing with •him the unhallowed bones of a blas-
phemer, afforded a strong proof of what was to he
anticipated from the unchecked career of such in-
famous leaders;
Lord Mlterote objected to any limitation of the
rights of the subject. If once brokeel iu upon
there was no saying where the encroachment would
-atop, as every new alarm would serve as a pretext
to remove the limits hither. He opposed the Bill
also on many of its details ; and especially as it
eu mild tend to exclude the Gentry, who Ought to
1 e the guides and leaders of the people, from at-
tend ug their assemblies. They ought rather to
imitate their ancestors, and try to overcome their
difficulties by moderate mw.nres, then lead to
alienation by the enactment of peens and penalties.
Mr. PHILLIPS Coutelidcd fur a Heal and tempo-
rary law, to meet a local end temporary evil; end
stretmously opposed what he ronsitleted to be
outrage en the feeliAes of a whole people. He
dwelt on the distress or the ntannfa'cu►ting
itis, as well (ICSPIN,tIL, !ht.' attention (it the
House; it was thie which made them so easily
Operated upon by the mischief-um: and seditious.
Wu:en the coetrast bet a een the high .4-ages they
Lill enjoyed, tool thee loot wages to which they
ere reduced ceased to tit so stri!wgly felt, they
evoold become less 'liable to infiannbetion ; and
this he thought another aro:tient fur temporary
expedients.
Lord CASTLIMEAGII, considering the length to
which the o..ißcession had stole, arid the intoner
in which it haul been conducted, would willingly
have left the gei,eral question to reit on the foot-
ing on which it he:ul been pluced, without tres-
passing upon the House,' were it not that a sense
'of his public duty rendered some observation ne-
cessary on the topics which had been urged. He
.ei.hed the 1161ise to loek to the }Principle of the
Bill, and to view the narrow issue of the vote they
were called upon to give, and which they ought
to give unless the Gentlemen weo Opposed it could
show that such alterations as ought mike the mea-
sure what tlo y wished it to be, could not be made
in the Committee. This was the stage to which
their attention was at present confined, and
their concurrence could not io any way preclude
them from entering into the details when brought
under their cognizance so as to render the Bill
as perfect as possible. it was natural that the
Hance should expect from him some remerks on
the areumen:s in favour of edopiieg local and
tempolaty measures. To such Ministers were re-
quested to resort, if they desired to meet the
Gentlemen on the opposite side, in the spirit of
conciliet ion. He assured the Hot). Members,
that tlioagh, %Otte) they were charged with being
the anoints of catetni!iee which no hitttnau beings
coal! avert, he had repelled the accusation, mid
declared that if such was the species of sopport
they were to have, they wooed rather meet their
diffireities without it, he was now ready to for-
get all that passed, and to comply with the •sue-
gestcd a!tere!ion, it it could be aerie consistently
with tie public peace, he would say with the
public safety. He would first addres himself to
the subject of imparting a local character to
the measere,' none of thee reasoning in favour
of which haul at all altered his opinion of its
ieexpediency. The Parliament in this country
haul never applied a measure of the kited in the
way that had been done in Ireland, nor had it
ever viewed such matters io the partial way here
recommended. The Bill in 170 G, did not arise
out of the general state of the country, but was
founded tot it particular meeting, thee meeting at
Copeehegeit House, connected whir the prin-
ciples then floating in the public mind. It.
was the- same :in 1817, when the law Was re-
coacted, in consequence of the portentous meet-
ing• in Spa-fields. In the intermediate period,
be believed about 1801, it was not the gene-
' ral character at the times which led to the adop-
tion of preventive legislation ; but still the Par-
liament did not confine itself to acts merely local,
and there was therefore no precedent for this mode
of treating the question. He now came to the
reasons for departing from the ruder); practice of
the past. Ile hail been teminded of his con--
giatulating the country on its tranquillity, and
would be noneas anxious its before to expess
that opinion. Butt if he looked at the tendency
of these seditious meetings to disturb that tran-
quillity, it would not always be safe to rely upon
the visible signs of quiet. \Viten they last se-
parated, all seemed to be fit a state of repose, hut
very shortly after another temper wife totted to
prevail. Appearances, under such circumstances,
were not to be trusted to, and the contagion
spread too fast to sutler them to rest in security.
It they looked- at the West Riding of Yorkshire,
they %email see a striking example of the truth of
what he was statini. 'life Noble Lord (Fi
had wiitteu a letter to Government, as-
sor'og it of the tranquillity in that quarter; but
one or two meetings, even one meeting, that.
infamous one at Hunslet Moor, had steels an
rave that there was not a considerable town in
the Riding, which had not since been a scene of
constant disturbances of a tumoltaary and ra-
dical description. Were they, then, to cir-
cumscribe' their remediable measures, and limit
theM to stop an evil which was so likely to out-
strip any hounds He would put it to the Noble
_tutee opposite (Lord A. Hamilton) what he could
leave done in the west of Scotland, if he could
Isave had recoarse to a law like this. Could he
Lie/ have prevented those meetings, one of which
had struck more terror into the whole of the
good, and disieminated more discontent among
those easily corrupted, than any subsequent
'steps'could etfeee. 'The law most be efficient to
cope with the'exient of the mischief, arid not nu-
gatory as a subsequent application. What had hap-
'pence! iii Yorkshire was repeated near. Newcastle.
There one of the most malignant meetings of any
that bad taken plaee,ettended by 700 armed men,
had :followed immediately, upon an assurance from
the Gentlemen in the neighbourhoodohat not only
the utmost tranquillity, but the best disposition,
prevailed. But one meeting was ettoogh to
overtnre ail this order and propriety, and create
such chemay, that many of the persons who fled
-prviously given in their names to arta themselves
in'suppOtt of the Constitution were deterred. from
lnlaillittg'thatititention. Was it not depl'orabl'e to
tie ea, (Let toodition that a Noble Lord (Fitzwil-

Tit IE SUN.

1110tE31 QUISCF.:KL FAMLIM AUI}EAT?

LONDON,
FRIDAY, DECEMBER 3, 1819.

Two notorious Promoters of Discontent aud

Sedition have been arrested upon a charge of

HiGil TREMON in Lancashire.

We received this morning the Paris Papers of
Tuesday last. They contain an account of the
opening of the Session of the Chambers on Mon-
day, with the Speech of the Mosattcn.
His MA.HISTY, being seated on the Throne, sur-
rounded by the Princes of his House, the Mini.
stets, Marshals, Peers and Deputies, with 0)61-
liant assembly of Ladies in the •Galleries,ppened
the Session with the following Speech
" NlEswußs

" The first desire of my heart, oil finding myself again
among you, is to acknowledge the blessings that Providence
lots deigned to confer on use and those that.we are permitted.
to, expect in future.

" ;Sly family is iucreased, and Z tusiy bupe that the wishes I

xre I-tressed •on this subject may be re❑lized. Nevi sup-
ports to my Hoase will become new ties between it and my
people. •
" our amicable relations with the different States cf the
two hemispheres, fortified by the intimate union of the Sove-
reigns, and on the principle of a mutual independence, con-
tinues to be the pledge of a long peace.
" By the happy effect of my negociations with the Holy
See, our principal Churches are no longer deprived of Pastors.
The presence of Bishops in their Dioceses will preserve order
in all parts of the Ecclesiastic Administration. They will
promolgate the respect due to our Holy Religion, and to the
Laws of the State. NVe shall preserve intact the liberties of
our Church. I shall give my ear to the wishes of the faith-
ful ; I shall consult their wants and their resources, before I
propose to you the measures whirl► the restoration of the
worship of our Fathers nr►y require.

" Two years of abundance, repair, in part, the evils of
scarcity. Agriculture has made seusittle progress. All sorts
of industry have made a noble advane.ement. The fine arts
continue to ornament and to illustrate France. I hare col-
lected around use their numeroms productions ; the same ad-
vantage has hum given to the useful arts ; public adruiration,
has equally encouraged them.

The tilitrarion of our soil, and more faxonrable times,

Inure lAA-witted us to attend to the amelioration of our
finances. I Incbare ordered that there shall be submitted to
you thy state of the public charges, as well :►s of the mratts of
defraying them; and I have th;: satisfaction to announce to
you, that the legislative foresight wiii not br deceived by any
urgent ur actideutal wants. Nu new loan will be deinauded
from you for the•current year. •

"'Already the first relief has been granted to those who
contribute to the Revenue. The lowering of the taxes the
most burthensume; will not be dehiyed longer than the time
which will be still required to acquit the extraordiaary debts
contracted by the State.
" Every where the laws have found an easy execution, and
its no past has the public tranquillity beets essentially tron-
bled. In these circumstances, and for the better oblivion of
past evils, I have judged it proper to multiply acts of cle-
mency atid of reconciliation ; I have put nu other limits to
this, but those which national sentiment and the dignity of
the Crown required.
• "'At the same time, in the midst of these elements of
public prosperity, I ought not to dissemble that just motives
of alarm mix themselves with our iilyeS, amid claim, front
this day, our roost serious attention.

" A vague but \real inquietude occupies all minds. Every
one at this time demands pledges for the duration of our se-
curity. The nation enjoy but imperfectly the first fruits of
the legal regimen and of peace. There is an apprelteusion
that these fruits will be arrested front them by the violence
of the factions. The people are alarmed by the ardour of
these factious for power, t Ley are frightened by the expres-
sion of
.their tun obvious designs. All the fears, all the
wishes point to the necessity of a new guarantee of repose
and of stability. Public credit looks to this signal for ad-
vancement, commerce to extend its speculations, and in fine,
France to be sure of herself, and to resume amoug the na-
tions the rank that she ought to occupy for her own interest
and that of others', has need to place her Constitution above
the assaults that are the more dangerous from being the more
frequently repeated.
" In this conviction,l have returned to the ideas which
already. I was desirous to realize, but which were to he ISM..
tured by experience, and called for by necessity. Founder
of the Charter, to which are inseparably united the destinies
of my People and toy Family, 1 have thought, that if those
great interests, as well as the maintenance of our liberties,
require an amelioration, and which shall only Modify some
regulating forms of this Charter, the better to assure its
power and its action, 1 ought to propose it.
" The moment is come to strengthen the Chamber of De-
puties, by withdrawing from it the annual election of a part,
by giving to it a duration more conformable to the interests
of public order, and to the exterior consideration of the State.
Thii will be the completion of my work. klavyier than other
States, it is not by provisional measures, but by the natural
development of our institutions, that we can wield our force.
" It is to the devotion—it is to the energy of the two
Chambers—it is to their intimate union with toy Government,
that 1 wish to call for the means of saving public liberty froin
license, to strengthen the Monarchy, and ti, give to all the
interests guaranteed by the Charter that profound security
which we owe to them.

g‘ We shall pursue, in the mea:.l time, the task ►rf putting
all the laws in harmony with the Constitutional Monarchy.
You have already adopted several that tetsi to this object,
and I have given orders to prepare those that shall give as-
surance to individual libeity, to the impartiality of judg-
ments, and to the regular and faithful administratioo of the
Departments and Communes.

" Providence has ordained that I shall close the abyss of
revolutions, to beqUeath to my success►x's and to my-country
free institutions strong and durable. You are associated
with this sacred duty. To fulfil it, rely, Messieurs, on my
unalterable firmness, as I rely on the concurrence of my
faithful and loyal Peers of France, and on my faithful and
loyal Deputies of the Departments."

As his MAJESTY closed his Speech the air re-
sounded with the cry of '' Vire le nos

The new Peers touk.the oath of allegiance be.
fore his MAJESTY. T:ie new elected Deputies dill
the same. The COt►nt BEUGNOT, PUY, and the
Abbe GREGOIRE, were not present.
The KING itturned to the Thuilleries with the
same cavalcade es he came to the Linuse.

The Session was formally declared to be open-
ed, and on Thursday (yesterday) the two Cham-
bers were to proceed to b4siness.

PIPE PER CENTS.

Monday

DR.FERRI'.D STOCK.

Of the 2,2 d March, 1.317, 9‘l f. 45. c.
2241 Sept. 1817, B9l. 4,1 c.
22,1 March, 1818,

2111 Sept. IEIB, .....
22d March, 1819,

R2‘.l Sept. 1819, SI f. 40c.

The Bills now preparing to be passed into- Laws
for the Security of the Coun!ry are so imperiously
called for by the state of the Coun►ry, that Minis-
ters would be totally unworthy of their situation
if they (lid not look the danger resolutely in the
face, and disregard the clamours that way be

raised against them, from wheercr quarters tt'el
may proceed. \Veil was it asked, last nigh', bj
the LORD CHANCELLOR, the firm Guardian of ()I2r
Religion and our Laws, and the affectioo46:
Friend to our venerable Monatch, in answer
Lord ERSKINE, who had said that " fine°
would not be the same England if these 043.1
sures were agreed to,"—" where would Eng;
land be if these Bills did not pass 2"--,Englaa
would then have nothing remaining but the Wei
lancholy recollection of her former power 'and lgji
former glories. The land would be the scene a,
universal plunder and confusion. The itadicolf
would contend with each other for the motel'
Even the WOOLERS, the CARLILES, the Cosstills'

Hod bll the Miscreants whose writings tend to 111;
destruction of all regular Government, anti iodcc
of every species of Government but that 01:
licentious lt,ibble, would be trampled fa(7!

in the general wreck. As to tilt °Prost-00'
Irmo whom more good sense, and more regard 161
property might be expected, they are ectoal
giving. if we may use the term, a strong opal',
suppoit to Ministers, fur they chew that, if Mi.
%% ere in power, they would not adopt any' Ples°,
surer for the Security of the Country, but WI
things to take their natural course, and the COO:
queece would he devastation and ruin to the
They therefore pi ove that Ministers ort
more fit fur their situations, as they resolditili
bring forward measures essential to the Safely'
the Empire. We find, by information teccis'
within the last three days, and communicated yes'
terday to the House of Lords by Viscount
MOUTH, that training to the use of arms, end ti)
pr ocurement at Ms, had been practised 1%;
more alarming extent, and in a greater vatielY
i
directions, than had been stated in all the aecutielc
previously given, and consequently not a mooo
should be lost in passing into Laws-the measure!
401
so itnperiously deinanded for the protectiol''.
-the Country. We have only to refer to 11.,
Speeches of Lord STRNTI-IWORE and, Lord P'4°'
LI NOTON, last night, in the House of Lords'
confirmation, to prove the alarming nature
the dangers which threaten us. We also icier
Mr. Peee's most admirable Speech in the 140'11$
of Commons, in vindication of the Mancbco,l,e,r
Iltlagistiates: Justly did he observe, that those
who regarded the conduct of those Magistrstct
only in relatiou to the 16:11 of August took 2 fill('
row view of the state of things. Those
Crates, months before, had Sufficient esideuce
the approaching danger, and, considering
vast numbers that were preparing to tWel'e
the "Meeting, no measures could possibil
adopted to prevent that Meeting, end k 1
ll
that could be done was to be ready (s)1
the Defence of the Country When toe Meeii/I°
took place. Our Readers still remember that el,
lately inserted two Articles founded oo indisTls
able information, of the conduct of Cs.; Radict/ti
bclore the Meeting at Menchester, on their 013/..4
to the town, and on their return, all of
manifested the must rebellious disposition, blnii
full hope and expectation that titat day would
decisive of the fate of the country, invol(
the entire demolition of the present form of qtr(
vernment, and lead to an universal partitioo
property. The legislative measures, then. o°6'
progress, are inipeitiotisly demanded,. and cmto°l
too speedily carried into effect, if our itzetOPol
our LAWS, our Coss•rt-ruTtoN, our l'anPF(4l‘ 1
.
and even our Lives, ate worth preservation

!we.

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COSBETT.—ThiS profligate Renegaslo lOgzo-
e'
dressed the following note to the. no")1'-
HUNT
London, Dec. /, IS;9' et
"MY DEAR LIuNT-4 shall, with great preasitle, ,t
the invitation with which the St Wards hare honoore,lll.,',o
a dinner at the Crown and Anchor, at 4 o'clock to-lw°lool'
and I do it with the greater satisfaction, finding that the cif,
paiiy mean to abstain from the use of wine, spirits, altd b
" I ant, most sincerely, your's, , -c"
“ W. toBBSI
"PS.. 4,--1-12vin;g• ' stooped to conquer; I
now vse again. No Sloop Act can stop Die. l'4oll".;''d
of a. Cellsor.rhip will do; and even that would not fl"'"
regularmarcla of things."
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Yesterday evening,about a quarter to 11
of
o'clock, his Royal Highness the PRINCR 1tg613
atrived at Callton [loose, from Brighton.
The Duchess of GLOUCESTER, we are sorry
hear, is inttisposed at Blighton. got.t'
Thirteen Capital Pt izes %vete sold by CAL
in the last Contract, amongst which was 071;
op.
30,0001., Two of 20,00/ , and °she's of 5,( of:
2.0001., &c. What portion of the Six PrizO of
26,000/., which the 6ellente contains, ir‘i:tet
which most be drawn in the First Fi'4e •of
on TimasDAY NEXT, Will fan to. the SbSrlicei
those who honour G. CARROLL With n retell' be• t
it cvvttltl be bold to litticip ate ha: there ca
little doubt that a good account will be give Olt
them at ids fortunate Offices, No. Corn
ioid 26, Oxford-street.
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