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it
re,,,,,!,! notice in reasonable time.. He did n
ad ,"!').le to suppose that a chequo given at Hou4:tri‘s.low' on
11,4
;441(1 be expected to be presented the stme da at the
t'gh tia,nd "PPeared, therefore, that no loss had a i 0
, lkiit ,e fault of plaintiff, as the money was drawn out
got
ghtot,„lne lame day, and very likely before the cheque g
the ..4. Mr. Arnold had indemnified the detendaut.
ittry instantly gave a verdict for the plaintiff.
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SUN OFFICE, Seven o'clock.

ItAILwANIT COM3HrrEES.

(THIS DAY.)

ROUSE OF LORDS.
Cotnraite„?tbret WALL RAILWAY.
the p,s et 0_ at eleven o'clock in the Lord Chancellor's
f Ellenborough in the chair.
t172°11-.kooLent°n. M.P., was the first witness examined this
lesjeete, * the county of Cornwall generally, and thought
e_7sllkee:e line the best practicable one. Several other lines had
Atilt Cretl, but this he considered the most feasible, and, under
.._Cett.tetlinretences,
tort
Treezwere a useful and a good one. seiststwhi.kineet.llaa,ighehelaer.d the line would cross several creeks,
ties' fmmerly representative for Cornwall, was adverse
;ote oteeicer the consideration of the Committee, and rather
414
l`toiacentral line,
RS
Ned, eof Cornwall.
thelt Thought the line would answer all the pur-
Wer,o Peeel
re for St Ives, thought the principal population
els ore, ntvaq WMIld be much benefited by the proposed line. The
ti.trott.t?lres were in favour of it.
I 4tetirofatrahined—Petitions had been presented to Parliament
Leh at e Bull, and one against it from the inl.abitants of St.
fir h into at the line the best practicable one, but had not gone
ItiLlorestieetion
ihkt.lsrutaaitenth, to;reelerk of Plymouth, was next examined.
as examined as to the feeling of the district t passed
itutiesio ZO he represented to be favourable to the line.
lea
torrtsieht of t°°,_ll°M, the engineer of the line, entered into a
eto et,t.!.l engineering peculiarities of the line, gradients,
is.etahit °Cs, and embankments, which he represented to be
the Put in the plans and sections, and explained them
toff Particulars
~ of which have already been given in the
let „t bleier
_ht roons' Com tn. itee
Ai_ as, ob,e, civil engineer, was examined generally respecting.
qciteleuotrl
.he represented to be well laid out. His evidence
.lice pally in corroboration of Captain Moorsom's
"torahs..
este, --e then adjourned till to.morrow at eleven o'clock.
04.0
WORCESPrra7t, AND WOIa
0111 t. 17ValtarA'
RAILWAY.
Pt 11,140
.ttee resumed its sitting to-day at eleven o'clock,
edeirtble. the chair, when the examination of witnesses was
tete • tOel
te r. and lie
t•• eel), George Hickman Bond, of Kingswin-
ibaY accoot;ltled. in corroboration of the evidence of traffic and
teed ',sehlenoecklattoo adduced by the witnesses yesterday.
brose,; al welch` or the latter was principally confined to the coal
1,411 111,14 e ot to engaged, and stated-that the railway on the
Perie.t etheVr°," aecernmedate them to the south much better
iest, r'°Posed, and Olsen up, at London especially, an
Th doe at arket f
id Per or the disposal of coals, that might be taken to
by 1,40 Witnesses
ten Per mile.
°ere:. 4lisete, wa.s subjected to a very rigid cross examination
Sen t heti totttcwlth the object of showing that the estimate the
to terelle a:hewed of the expense of carrying coals. was incor..
tsry s coats tit'erl that he did not know whether it was possible
rat sto4olealatioo the Price stated, as he had never made the nece. s-
shtre sehele I, The coals of Staffordshire he considered superior
'teem t There reel to either those of Leicestershire or Derby-
-1210 °afore Was a quantity of coal sent at present by
ste,- the top' Which sold at Kingawinford, for from ss.
/Ns 141 hot to The The best was sold for 12s. the ton.
thelstoeoulepetiiilltetellat its pric was at Oxford. What he wanted
odor bi for the purpose of coal traffic. That was
elle :Satiated s supporting the present Bill.
berbyZsWere-.it *at tot true that Derbyshire or Leice.steeeri
thitt, lreeeol *OPerior to the Staffordshire coals. The pm
Was st• Gd. or Gs. per tonhence it was ne-
Coq: thee, to c the ee,...;
-aee on the Staffordshire coal, in order to
eesooeetett
ientisete in the south with the former coal. T ey
Dr II Of f they had to pay Is. 7d. per ton for carriage. On the
OekttaPeese get °I• the route of country, of the places it touched
k \Vette and of entrance into London, he preferred the
fset r. Leek rn scheme
404,41. ire.l.4ilih Sheriff of Worcestershire, and carpet menu.
if_eootos
at Minster, was next examined. He employed
o.,:pailiateboatthi(seldhderminster, or nearly one-sixth of. the whole trade.
the 'ld else emes of railway. He had examined them on the
et, kiltro gone through thecountry for the purpose. Taking
ea as
thtt re. sell Whole, he was decidedly in favour of the Great
se Were trite, thou h there many considerations
hetet were
thee er... favour of the other. As far .as Kidder.
ei 'ell of °"` concerned, the approach as well as the
the Gre
at Western scheme were much superior to
%fa' Ismidon and Birmingham. The latter line crossed
po;_lsehoup.theroada in its approach, and the station was in a low
Nor toed,
ou`..ageotis situation. The other only crossed one. turn.
H apt `.` aPProached as near the town as possible without
tbietiresp befesonchief to property. The witness then explained, by
et* re the Committee, the relative poeition of the two
'at'd their
leerors.euut. respective advantages and disadvantages.
se the eitned hy Mr Hoes—He had not been examine' li
to;d,oe of Commons. A line through Birmingham
bto
e
hteqter eotdesirable, yet he considered there oug
tto Petltion.
tO °Re as into London than by the London and Birming-
ec ' then
tco • • the public would be much better provided for by
Isoo,'„leteeou_ He considere.d, as far as London was concerned,
NI, el le
au through Birmingham, and another by Oxford—
ft:Shinto out equal in advantage to Kidderminster. . He sent
sal 7 in goods from 400 to 500 tons, and received in return
Mao Ote go
t tit Go 0 tons, exclusive of coals. The goods he sent nut were
i.):1 yelavr°ol. in value. Ile used a boat of coals weekly, or 1,000
Odor, e understood that the low land on which the
"teed end Birmingham station was to be placed was to be ern-
liPpq that would cause flooding. If the railway was carried
: cit
moved es a
good deal of his objection on that scorewould be re-
Rater' though then he apprehended there would still be danger of
the ~acculnulating. He attended a meeting in Kidderminster, on
ere 3d of April last. He proposed the first resolution. An
It "titnent was proposed in favour of the other line, but
tele,* negatived, and the resolutions of the Great Western
141 Ne were carried. Mr. Aldis at the meeting, he (Mr. Leigh)
r the advantages of the London and Bunting-
kik line, in bringing the Banbury wool market in connexion with
71erreitister. He did not himself think there was much advan.
t -Ills II such a connexion
litootri; P. aul Matthews said he was manager of fire-clay-works neard
ettitie_ndlie- They produced about 7,000 tons of manutacturte
etiest*; Yearly, principally fire-bricks and crucibles. They sent a
Steolerable quantity of these to the south. The Great Western
efio;:e! as far as the town and suburbs were concerned, would
b.:the greatest amount of accommodation.
11444,4*. a-eXaMination of this witness did not elicit any point of
et importance.
tO'
f • town clerk of the city of Worcester, deposed as to
11 eel'
05. gOf the people of that place in respect to the proposed
aesoo.tle recollected being present at a public meeting of the
estollt the City-hall last year, when resolutions were carried
„he ,ekleccillajority in favour of the Great Western. scheme.
tia ear: es were fully explained on both sides before
eTheirr
et Was • e taken. Th vote was almost unanimous in
Their th
tote e Oxford, Worcester, and Wolverhampton.
steel was of the London and Birmingham then pro.
ihlsodonett from Weedon to Worcester. chat was afterwards
e . ' and a new one brought forward. A meeting of
the Coun •
sekezr. Council took place on the 3d of September,. at which
t,/ leajt" Were again submitted, and the Council decided
Woh, itY c'f twenty to three in favour of the London, Oxford,
eit, held etrill'ear:Pton. A meeting of
.the Chainter of Cotndi.m;
Z;e,r4her erne day, and a similar resolution pass In
i'en the ,prliother public meeting of the inhabitants was held, at
eV 'don •ne line was submitted, with the other parts of the
lo ester,
Wee Birmingham scheme, along with that of the Great
ps hen a great majority, in fact nearly all, voted for reso.
," faeour
tisk; eareoet of the latter scheme.
the—'ell to the great Edwards, collector of customs at Southampton,
-4ht tho e Veal increase in the trade of. Southampton, and
eeZle thee„- Present line from Staffordshire and Worcester would
"1, —to be supplied with the produce of Manchester, the
hi" the mid,
ese, -eoroas ,and counties.
ealeece ....later Foster, of Evesham, gave evidence as to the
tt;_ei4feelliii;letrh,ecilivnle would fiord to that town and neighbourhood.
of the people was generally in favour of it.
*osl;berilig
pecut
ti a'
was exarnined. as to the comparative
%The
bre:rintries of the competing line& The expense of
tiketlilernbegvni,htlepinferior gradients on the London and Birmingham
"It ae a, in his opinion, counterbalance the expense conse..
gauge by the transhipment to the other line.
eetteetwe:orunes:. was cross-oxarnined at'some length respecting the
on the the Scotch railwas, hut it did not seem to bear
'et co_ subject-matter of they examination-in-chief.
.ertuttee then adjourned till to morrow at eleven o'clock.
,eith% see
Chair
cee. '4:MITISII MIDLAND RAILWAY.
t"MttgaW"rnittee on this scheme, consisting of the Earl of Devon,
":°ll, iottihee Bishop of Landaff, the Duke of Grafton, Lord
sta Ir. coact, rd Charleville, assembled this morning at eleveenn,
th 42'1 ths, .I!uaN briefly opened the case for the promoters, d
-.5 t ine line owt, i proceeded from Perth, through Strathmore,
t to
gth or lye vorfar,
passing by Cupar Angus to Glamis. The
• SY, and e "ne would be twenty miles, which was all new mil-
l), en
erewer Miles railway already existing would be added to it.
tte sieGt t°e ther engineering difficulties on the line, and the
er4bie district which it traversed would be very con.
hell"lleek
ran, --er was the first witness examined. He deposed ge-
hd stated la
the traffic in coals cattle. slate, lime, and potatoes,
Of aren tO be his firm conviction that the proposed line would
The eeort advantage to the country.
length but
th anon of the witness was continued at considerable
e
tletPorts e entire of his evidence has already appeared mime
rho House were published in the proceedings of the Committee
Lord wee of Commons.
-eardseie earneliffe was then examined by Mr. FORSYTH—His
tient the stated „„
r generally the traffic which might be expected
not litoti Proposed line furnished sufficient grounds for the Bill to
eenstrubefore the House. if the Scottish Midland Railway wereld
ee't afford eteds he was of opinion that the east coast line would
w accommodation to the public. In the valley of
were/411;e 4 considerable quantity of cattle were fattened, which
Seotiehe !Ilion), sent to London and to the south-western parts of
ltpeellee-""' 'or sale
s. The
ty• Grain and potatoes were also prucluce in the
sed - Would eaven chiefly cultivated the soil. Theprep
4,:d he is.elsive an impulse to the manufactures of the dist°riet,
ere tte-Jctoeved that the inhabitants and proprietors of land there
The • edlY in favour of it.
he Mare •
- toeMt of Breadalbane was the next witness` called, and
rohoeft b rated ;
y al every particular, the evidence which had been
, tfr, iYat7rd Wharncliffe.
the it_lhanati, merchant, residing at Stanley, spoke generally as
ebtitioed`fmc from that place, and stated that the coals which were
tilati ,Zena Newcastle could be procured at a much cheaper rate
kr. jr:e;:nt if the railway were constructed.
tellarde 800 the provost of Montrose, gave similar evidence as
,4r Montrose
Niw„ 4aMs, of Blairgnwrie, spoke as to the fasilities which the
ttlred id afford for the conveyance of the yarn and manufac-
Thr,,,°d_ a to and from Blairgowrie, Glasgow, and Dundee.
`-'°,lThaittee then adjourned till eleven o'clock to-morrow.
LONDON RAILWAY AND
_ The see EXTENSION.
yenta, the
Committee appointed by the House of Lords to as.-
eetaroiniur Merits of this scheme assembled for the first time this
tertintitle_n 11% 2 Committee-room, attached to the House. The
ilset.t)oco.e conaisted of Lord Brougham (Chairman), the Earl of
kr. „,gh, Lord Sondes, Lord Gage, and L net Hawarden.
eet _ 4ALso, se •C., r h. eee. se•ss stated the case for tee oromoters. The cis-
'4lll° t `'''t was .t'o authorize the leasing. of the West London
eraY to h
that Le London and Birmingham Company, and to empower
terkfisParlY to construct a branch or extension from the present
ertittt`r at the Kensington Canal Basin to the river Thames, at a
ear to Cremorne House, with a view of extending the traffic
keisaf23don and Birmingham and Great Western Railways.
ettlfineeZster and Mr. Robert Stephenson pros ed that there no
tfteeZ.ii difficulties on the line. It wou'd be 1 mile 52 chains
14,-7thisilld would cost 60,0001.
ktds. t!'he auPerinteildent of the g traffie on the London
fht Jtateen Railway, preyed that tae present want of mess
4"14 Cakatilill•toWit kept a good deal of traffic away
.

from the line. At present the traffic amounted to 165,000 tons
annually, and of th ,t 40,000 tons want to the banks of the Thames,
Mr. moor Clarke, the superintendent of the goods traffic on
the Great Weste.ii Railway, gate similar testimony as regard d
that line.

This Closed th,, case for the promoters.
Mr. M. Cita:magas then at lrv,sed the Committee on behalf
of Lord Kensing,on, two.thlrds of whose property would be
destroyed by the proposed railway. He contended that the
Kensington Canal was amply sufficient and expeditious fur the
traffic to therPrer but, even if it were not sufficiently expeditious,
the canal might be easily converted into a railway, without in.
flicting injury on the property or rights of private individuals.
Evidence having been adduced to substantiate the statement of
the Learned Counsel,
Mr. TALBOT replied, and the room was afterwards cleared.
The Committee having deliberated for a few minutes, strangers
were re-admitted, when
The CHAIRMAN announced that the Committee had come to the
resolution to postpone their decision till Monday, and in the mean-
time they recommended parties to conic to terms.

HOUSE OF t_ OMMONS.
GROUP A.
TENTERDEN AND EYE LINE.
The Chairman, this morning, took his seat at the usual hour, and
he Committee proceeded to the consideration of the above line.
The first witness called by Mr. HILDYARD (on the pert of the

promoters of the line) was
Mr. Hicks, a merchant at Rye, who spoke to the difficulty of
communication between that place and other parts of the cot nty,
and also with London. The required communication would be
fully supplied by the proposed Tenterden and Rye line, but the
Ashford and Hastings lines, proposed by the South Eastern, and the
Brighton Company's would give no accommodation to the people
of ft, e. Corn, beans, and peas were exported from Rye to Glou-
cester, Liverpool, and other places. He raised a large quantity of
corn himself, and would send a quarter of what he raised to Lon-
don, if there were an available railway communication.
On cross.examination by Mr. D. HILL, on the part of the Ash-
ford and Hastings (Brighton) line, the witness stated that Folke-
stone had a great advantage over Rye, in the railways, and that
the inequality would be increased by any such railway as the pro.

posed Ashford and Hastings line.
Mr. Southerton, owner of fishing-smacks at Rye, spoke to the
advantages to the Rye Harbour fishery which would ensue from
the making of the proposed line. It was very difficult to get a
market for all the fish caught. He himself had sometimes been
obliged to sell as many as seven waggon-loads of fish for manure.
A waggon-load was equal to 125 bushels. All that he had sold for
manure might be sent to London and sold as food, if there were a
railway communication, He was frequently obliged to throw fish
back into the sea, having no market for it. The fishery would
support a much greater number of men than it does at present, if
there were a line from Rye to London. The Ashford and Hast•
lags line would give no accommodation to the fishery.
Mr. Wilsted stated that his father and himself had been super-
intendents of Rye Harbour for forty years up to the present time,
and gave evidence as to the improvement which would be made in
the harbour at Rye by this, and the injury which would be done
by either of the other lines.
Mr. Meadows, a farmer and surveyor of roads at Bennington,
spoke to the improvement of the roads of that place which would
be caused by the cheapening of material, resulting from the
proposed line, if the Bill were passed. The roads were ma Jf
"sea beach," that is, shingle obtained from the sea.shore. This
"beach" was obtained at Rye Harbour, and would be carried on
the proposed line. It might then be conveyed much cheaper by
the railroad than it could by the present mode of conveyance.
Mr. Thompson stated that he had bee. employed by Captain
Moorsom to take notes of the traffic which might be expected on
such a lint as the proposed Tenterden and Rye.,i He 110:1
stationed four men at the following places—one at Playden, one at
Rolvington, one at Bird's Isle, and one at Tentenden.
Bird's Isle was about a mile north of Tenterden.
He had repeatedly visited them to see what they were
doing, and to copy the notes which they had taken. The witness
spoke at some length to the precautions against error, and against
noting dowis traffic such as would not be available, which had been
taken by him, and by the persons he employed.
Cross-examined by Mr. D. HILL—The four persons he employed
were named Small, Goble, Fin, and Snow. Goble, who was sta-
tioned at Rolvington, had been master of the union workhouse;
Fin, who was stationed at Tenterden, was a tailor. He
might count nine of his own trade to a man, but would not be
likely to count nine men for one tailor.—(A laugh.) Snow,
was a gardener's labourer, and had been stationed at Bird's Isle, and
Small was stationed at Playden. There was another man at a Efth
station, but as the traffic at that place might be conveyed by the
Ashford and Hastings branch line, it had been struck out of the

tables on the passing- of that Bill.
Mr. Aviary, a coal merchant at Tenterden, spoke to the ad-
vantage to the coal trade which would be produced by the proposed
line. Coal would be rendered much cheaper by the cheaper
carriage, and the result would be that a much greater quantity
would be consumed
Mr. Hatch stated that from 3,400 to 3,500 tons of lime were
imported annually to Tenterden for manure. This line would
greatly facilitate the carriage of lime, and would therefore make it
much cheaper. The present expense of carriage of lime from the
Kent Chalk-hills to Tenterden was 15s. per waggon load, a waggon

load being equal to two tons.
Mr. Barnes, a land surveyor, said that the value of the land
through which this line passed was 18,9.881. 1 le. He knew Mr.
Sutton's field called " Staving Den," and which was the worst land
on the line. He thought the part of this land which
would be left by the railway would be inure valuable than the
whole field was at present. He thought Major Curtiss's land
would be much improved by the railway.
Mr. Curtiss (a relative of Major Curtiss, a petitioner against the
line) was then called, and gave evidence of the advantages de-
rivable from this line. He thought Major Curtiss was mistaken
in opposing this line, which would greatly increase the value of his
property.
Mr. HILDVARD then said that his evidence was now concluded,
and there being no evidence to be produced on the other side, the
Learned Counsel proceeded to address the Committee in favour of
the proposed line, and dWelt at great length on the evidence as to
the tratfie which had been given by the various witnesses, and
which has been published at length, from time to time as it oc-
curred, in the columns of The Sun.
Mr. D. HILL addressed the Committee on the part of the
Brighton Railway Company, and in reply to Mr. Hildyard, he
pointed out -shortly what he considered the advantages of the
Ashford and Hastings branch, and the disadvantages of the
Tenterden and Rye line. The object of the Learned Counsel's
speech WAS principally to show that the greater length of the
Tenterden and Rye line was not sufficient to account for the excess
of the estimates of the expense of that line over those of the Ash.
ford and Hastings branch line. The expense of the former was
estimated at 500,0001. That of the latter would be 140,0001. There
was only a difference of 11 miles between them, the difference of ex.
pense being 360,000/.
Mr. - CLARKSON then addressed the Committee at some length on
the part of Major Curtiss, after which the Committe adjourned at
Five o'Clock.

GROUP NN.
EPPING RAILWAY.

At the sitting of the Committee it was announced that Lord
Lincoln, on the part of the Woods and Forests, had given his con.
sent to the line passing through the Crown lands, subject to certain