The Sun.
London, England, 1821-03-22 00:00:00

If the duty Was laid on now at the present depressed state of the market, whatever
duty was laid on, the merchant would expect so much to be taken from the shies
freight.
• s
If the consumption-remains the sable- and the
jiiii lilies m proportion to the
alteration of the duty, what reason ivoUrdthert be for any deduction from the price
of freight? At the present state of the timber market, the depressed state it is in,
I do not believe the merchants can afford to give bigger freights than they did last
year; and I do helitve, if a duty takes place immediately, the merchant cannot
46.111 to ;Ore 3o much freight, in proportion as the duty may be ; the depression
of the market is now When very great.
a:Toyour ships go to America to fetch timber, do they go in ballast or with
? In ballast mine go generally; there arc mapy ships take cargoes out,
b he merchants select the small ships for the' purpose of taking the valuable
cargoes out to America ; they do not often take the large ones for that purpose.
Has the
There ' little ofoakplank from the Baltic fallen off considerably ?
importation
In no
the I.
Is very oak plank imported from the Baltic into the merchants yards
it generally comes `to the king's yards in London.
_ is theoak
Ido not plank from Stettin of great importance for the building of ships ?
conceive it is, for they can get American plank in the room of it.
Do you conceive-American plank to be as good ?, As good, if it is of the qua-
lity of white wood ; there is bad plank comes from Stettin, and bad plank from
America, but if it be what they call the white wood from Stettin, and the white
wood from America, they are considered as equal.

Mr. William Tindall called in, and examined.
-41 what business are you ? A ship-builder and ship-owner at Scarborough.
How long have you been employed in that trade? About eighteen years.
where have your ships generally traded to ? To all parts of the world.
Rave you ever traded to British North America, for the purpose of carrying
wood from thence ? Yes ; we have had three ships in the trade last year.
To what amount of tonnage ? One ship was of 556 tons ; one 514 ; and
one 420.
What number of seamen do you employ in those ships ? About twenty-four
hands each ; they vary, of course, according to their tonnage, but that is the
liVerftge,
tweWhat number of ships belong to the port of Scarborough ? There are from
noty-five to thirty thousand tons.
I do
ot
lj you know the number of seamen employed in the port of Scarborough?
n.
Is there a considerable traffic from the port of Scarborough, in the British North
American trade,
not receive above four carrying of w d
oo ? A very small one to Scarborough ; they do
car goes a year.
Isln What state is the shipping of Scarborough at this moment? In a very dis-
ied situation indeed. of To what do you attribute that ? The principal cause is, the present stagnation
‘4,.ke occasioned principally by the over trading of the previous year.
will' oUld an alteration of the timber duties affect the port of Scarborough ? It
I..prect the port of Scarborough, as far as respects the shipping interest.
abutiatve you much trade with Scarborough to the Baltic ? We have very little ;
Of three cargoes a year.
built
by build are those three ships which belong to yourself ? They were
wfy ourselves at Scarborough.
pail;Zt t.llher do vou generally use in the construction of your ships ? Princi-
for e hglish oak, 'English elm, and English beech ; fir is used for the decks, and
I) accommodations.
0,111.7 dt)ecYk°: Use Baltic fir, or fir from the British provinces in North America ? For
-,e cabin
a:eagne..rall. y use the Baltic fir, but mostly the North American fir for
Have the light work.
nine you ever used American fir for upper decks? I used American fir about
...yea
twirl; iF ago;,, we fitted some ships with half American and half Baltic, partly
.4..._ ryn me price of Baltic timber being very high, and partly to try how the
'T,,!l'lcan would last.
I sn'l_ove you lately compared the different state of these two descriptions of timber ?
Ifo: one of the ships about two-months ago and I examined her particularly ;
caru'end the decks were generally sound ; but where the iron which fastened the deck
b, , in contact A ith the wood, the American deck was the best ; it was less rent
-I,‘Ve sun, the ship having been in warm climates most of the time.
the 4114 sort of timber do you use for masts ? The timber we use for masts for
of the rgoc ships is Quebec yellow pine ; for the top-masts and yards, the red wood
eau ,lialtic and Canada ; for the small spars, the white spruce of Norway and of
~,i'_au; we prefer the Norway.
~. .14ove you any reason to complain of the want of durability of the lower masts
zaenie,..froin. American timber ? No ; I have found them last rather better than
-o:lga, in warm climates, and where red pine has been used it has been much
"'Tenor.
Can
140 you state the different expence of ship-building in this country, and in
to rwitY and Prussia ? Yes, I can ; I have made a statement, which I will submit
to committee.
hess;inaking that statement, what means have you used to ascertain its correct-
build I took the quantities of timber and other materials that were necessary to
way a a ship with ; to that quantity I put the price in England, the price in Nor-
biD.nd the price in Prussia ; the result is a very great difference in the cost of
'Kling.

[The witness produced the same, and it was read as follows.]

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b„What nu,.
rtiSS'a shr!ns have you of ascertaining the cost of those particular articles in '1),4•11.11: from-"" in Norway v 2 Partly from the Prussian and other merchants,
°gilt the •
' calitainrswadi *ships who have been in Prussia and Norway, and have
p„, e articles
the --`4ll no authentic document? There are no authentic documents other than
,vli.srice-currents of merchants, and what we really purchase goods at.
torvt! believe that statement to be as correct an estimate as can be made? I
Anotel, eitto be perfectly correct; some things are the same in one country as
the4j, le r, others are rnuch lower.
iantiPears that she shipwrights account for. t.he. hull in England is 5,1621. ;
the .. Norway it 1309 i and that in Prussia it is 2,1871.: what proportion of
, 4°b.L1621. arises from the high duties imposed upon timber in England ? There
oriit
'Y small proportion of that, because the ship is principally built of English
'titand the Prussian is built of Prussian oak, and the Norwegian and Swede
l
aiii ell the comparisY
on is me'
us with respect to Norway and Sweden, betweenfir
Ititt and oak ships ? es,ad e these are the materials they generally build
W
t
would *ll4, You were to buy
tio a ship of 514 tons, built of English oak, or of Norway fir,
t ' be the difference of value in this country ? That is a question lam
the,Nable of answering, because we do not build of that article in this country ;
.ts. no such thing for sale in this market as a Norwegian ship.
Ilt.i.f.Tlng the war many Danish prizes were taken, which afterwards obtained
havi„ls° register ; what would a Danish vessel, having obtained a British registry,
the'qg been built of Norway fir, sell for, in competition with an English vessel of
13, 84Ine size, built of oak, taking them both as new ships? The difference would
as two is to three.
444 °aid not an estimate of as two is to one be a more correct value ? No, cer-
be iii); not ; lam taking the hull only. Supposing a quantity of Norway fir was to
threjatted into this country, and put into a ship, then it would be as two is to
4. Illake this a fair comparison between the Norway and Swedish ship, and the
to Ce°sh ship to the price of the Norway or Swedish ship, a great addition ought
Al. Slade ? 13y adding one half of the 1,3091. to it, making it 1,9501.
0. c you engaged in ship-building at present ? I am, as far as our apprentices
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1,
~.7 have discharged all our men ;we cannot continue the trade any longer;
cannot sell our new ships for the prime cost of them.
ploy you still find it necessary to continue ship-building in some degree to em-
did
anur apprentices? We should have to pay them their wages whether they
bi'.',Y thing or nothing.
of e" You build these three large ships of which you have spoken, for the purpose
sbe :11'Ing timber from Ameri N one of the ships was built the. last year;
that7Lt, us 12,1001. fitted for caa
voyage o ;to Canada, but she was not intended for
itet e0;"4,,,e ; Our object was
Yinent for her, to send the ship to the East Indies, but we could not
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