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andtendon its most serious itwOurS.—krithr,
hear, hear !)
Mr..i. 14. Gepri..eStplainet
Sir i, Nittvinnttrentarked, that the Committee,
had be'qrvitplitiinted on the Bth of, ,Fehrtutry, and
Blade its report on the 25th
,of March.,, And %ilutt
was the sum of the labours of the Cotiimittee
int; this large finition of time ? twire
than .t(i adopt, with some modifications; theme,e-
sures formerly propose,d b the Honourable Mem-
bet' for Cork Castile (h. tianices,) and these mo-
difications were, ot• the most part, of such tn-
ttire.ris to do away With all that Was gout! la the.
original measure. There was in fact nothing its
the whole Repoli that would make aoy one thick
!bat' %t•iiS the tnaturedliroduction of six iveclo'
Inhour.
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Mr. Martav vvr whited. tit say a few words as
to what had been done by
fhb Cminnittee with
respect to. colonial odieeS, He would apply his
observations to one colony•.rjenierara. While
that colony was in the possession of the Dutch,
there were no sinecure offices in that colony, andi
no offices filled b) non-residetit officers., But as
soon its Great Britain obtained possession of it
the case was entirely changed; the whole system
of the administration of public office was altered,'
sinecures were created, and persons paid for officeS
in the colony whir never resided there. The con 7
sequence .Was, that. to maintain these offices in-
creased salaries were necessary, and to supply tin,e
salaries, an increase of taxation %vas Miavoidable.
In fact, all that the Committee had done with
respect to our cblouial system was quite super-
ficial, and what be wished to press upon the
House was the necessity of siidt a revision being
undertaken. •
Mr. %V. FRBEMANTLE objecteit to the tecotii:
mendations contained in the Report; because the
offices which they wished to be abolished could
not be abolished without injustice, and the saving
to be made by abolishing them would be quite in-
significant.
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The Hon. Mr. F. ROBINSON, referring to the
speech of the Hon. Member (Mr. Marryatt) said,
it was unfair and unwise to select particular in-.
stances as objects of reprobation on the discus-
sion of a generul measure like that now under'
consideration. In the present case it was parti-
cularly unfair, because not oneof the mimics com-
plained of by the Hon. Gentleman ;tow existed;
for the Hon. Gentleman seemed to forget that an
Act was passed three years ago which made resi-
deuce a necessary,eonditiOn for holding an office
in any of the Colonies.—(Hear, hear !)
Mr. MAIMATT explained.
Lord MILTON objected to the Report as not go-
ing far enoogl. The Committee hail the speech
of Mr. 'Burke' in 1792 before them, and if they
had attended to the doctrines contained in it, they
would have found that they might have gone much
farther, than what had been dime in 1752. It -setts
his firm conviction, that if all the tecommenda-
tiOnS of Mr. Burke had been attended to, Mitch,
it not all -of the, Irritation lately excited in the
public mind woold have been avoided. ~.The
tict-
nourable and Learned Gentleman (Mr. J. P.
'Grant) teitil spoke so ably, sec:tied, however, to
have mistaken, the objects for which the Com-
mittee.was appointed. The Committee; had said
nothing •of the various points to which they meant
to direct their attention in their future iboats.
It 'stttnedlo hint that in their first Report it watt
their ditty to leave stated, notita detail, but 'gene+
rally, the . points to which_they meant to direct
their inqniries. The diplomatic branch of expen-
dihire particularly culled for investigation. But
un this head nothing had yet been done, nor was
any thing promised. In short,,the, whole. Report
was very unsatisfactory. The Hon. Gentleman
'(Mr. D. Gilbert) seemed, on delis oceasiint, to
have acted (he meant no offence) as the organ of
Government.

111 r. D. GILBERT denied flint be actedas the
organ of Government on thii or any other

siott.: lac hatl•before supported a similar-measure
when, brgtight, forward by the lion. llemberfor
Corfe Castle (Mr. liailkes).—(llear, bear !)

Mr. TIERNEY said, that the Report
,had been so
ably arkned by his Hon, and Learned Friend (Mr.
cifinit) that little wal kit for.ltim to say-on
the subject. When thin Committee
,was appointed,
lie stated as his ohjcction to it, that. it was Merely
intended to be as a screen bervien the public and
the public. expenditure'--as. a means of fencing
off any real measure of, economy.. The. House
were now called upon to abolish certain .of.
but not a single reason was assigned. He
knew very well that thii would be the case, front
what Ire witnessed,
at the very couttnencetnent of

the labours of the Committee-. Front severe in-
th*position, lie had been prevented front Attending
its sittings attire titan one day; but in the,trans*
actions of Opt day, he saw enough to convince
him how things were likely to go on. (Jii
ink the Committee, on tlist tlay, lie found ;lie lion.
(ientletnau (I.lr. Minket) proposing. 41 iresoltti

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the hurt ort Of which ‘v,is, that all sinecures should
be abobsbed—that all offices executed by deputy
should'be aboliihed—and that the ,alacies of other
offices should be regulated. l'his resolution the
Noble Lord (Castlereagh) opposed. The Noble
Lord, too, insisted that the Committee should not

assign an reason for the abolition-of those officei,
to the COlifiDllBllCe of which the Committee was
becoule he tiniught if any reason was
stated, that it might endanger the succest of the
measure in .another place. Ott. this proposition
the committee was divided, and theie WBS 8 ma-
jorityof 16 to 3 in favour of the Nohle Lord.
After such a result and such a manifestation Of the
feelings of the Collifilitt ye, he must honestlY de-
clare, that even if he had not been prevented by
iii_henith, ha would not have continued. to attend
the committee, because list was then C 4.111 11 isVd
that he: could serve hiscoontry hotvr any %%Imre

ese. IJotthing at the Iteptirt %%hat

it profp)sed w4s_ to aholiA lilleCHltly MO to
give the Crown in exchange some; hing that should,
iothiencer be equivalent to what, was
lost by that abolition. Ai fur us referred to the
abolition of siweentes, he thonght the subitanee
of. the Report ought to be adopted by the 1101
The Poisiuti Llst was now ti-10.0001. or 2J0,000/.
a year, fur England, irelaiid, and Scotland. Let
any man say whether a great saving might not he
made in this; - The Committialiad- only done
istouet hint hut he real. p ri neipie-or teortomy bad
never entered into their minds. Lie was quite

sure they might have reauted 46,0601.-cint of ail
I,lld gone dir 1t tt
Which .wa,slioltr. OgOting, , illlobid Lord. tittl
stated it its(All% '.'o),opittiOn, that the ticaea
Establishment
tact
titil7. be redttei4l helel
19;poo 000. ,ty. !lOW ft wu attenip ea to iet
a try ittfavoul-ae thi3 41m.derful and ectinotnicat
Administratliott, because they kad reduced it about
10,50,0004 buthpliad never.,laidany such thing
as that it could not he reduced belt)* that stun.
Such , a monstrous propositionbe. never, enter-
raiked-, On the contr,i.ry, wouiddeelitre it at:
his opinion,tbat,nitiess it veils' reduced blow this
amount,
,there was itn,fy one event , which, must
fo a
llow, nd whieltAie could not explain am. other-
wise than• ,
the, plain terms, that tilt 'Country
Hbl'fitiitel.. be bankrupt, .and, niodplL!
'go tilt`, at all Without suCh-measores as in point (if
fact must amount to it breach of the public faith,
hear; hear .1.).;-7-The Right 11..rnonrahlO
Gentleman.ConClude4 withlioping Hilt tile peso-
lotions would pass tie nt ; but
he would repeat and.maintcin, that there nevet._
was a COMmatee tees Entitled ,Confidence than
this had. shewn itelf within the last,three months,
The li.esolutions were then severally put 'add
agreed, to.
Pt.e ,Lionse. having resumed,. the questions
founded on the liesolotions were put from the
Chair, that leave be given to bring in Bills eon»
formahly thereto.,
On that which related to aPowmgcompensation
to be given to persous who had held high (Aiken
in the titate,,
Mi'. k3ttoutitta4 declared bis intention ,of op-
posing this•Oill in everYstage, as. it would intro.
.duce at new principle in the
.Coustitutlon, founded
pn tlik perversinn of patronage, which was ohmic
to. be takenlswaY th
e i;iowtt. This was ate
first time the 1l ouse.had bein,taoght to consider .
men.who accepted, of high offices, in the State. in
the !same light es those who engage 4 in lucrative
professions.
Lord Mivroii said he should xlsci object to this
Bill, ,as tending to degrade all the high offices ti.f.
the State. Ile'ohjected to it, because the come
pensation was .to depend On. the continuance iii
office, and this was' temptation that cott4.,hp
called by no other name than political profligacy 4
for if the honotir of a man office was not now
blemished, his remaining in office was an injustielt
and a curse, lie should resist the Bill, on this
principle that it made the tenure of an crake tt
mere mercenary act.
Mr. BANKES contended, that h ought not to be
expected that, distinguished talents could be
brought out of lucrative professions to enter upon
°tikes: of State, by which individual% tiaerificed the
ccrotduty of acquiring large private ...fortunes.,
without the prospect of -some fair remuherat
It was not a tfesv principle .that the-Crown should
have lie means of affording such reninerntiotr.
Lord 'AI tt/rinv, ire expl,omtion, fiaid he was wait
sure the former Bill (111. at for abolkhing Sine»
cores) tent to the same .extent ns this ; hilt
though he %wed for that, he had a right to
his opinion now, when compensations. were pro,
posed tat he given to all who hold, held high otlicei.
Mr. BitoVGliabt. in CXl)l,llkatiOn, lilt
Sinecure 4holition Bill, ,which passed in lII', ,
awl deelared,. that though he voted silently for
that Bill because he wislied to get rid of what wai
had ; yet,. if it .had been' followed by one, like the
piesent, .to allow compensations, he.would hove
voted for neither; if one was it) have been )(mint.,
ponied. by the other, .1-le. mentioned this to shield
himslf from the charge of inconsistency in typos..
hag the preset,t. ofeasure.
CANNING.said, the DOI for which the Nimble
Lard and the lion, Gentleman voted in 181'2, WA"
not simply for the abolit iota' of Sinecure (Miceli
but for, their abolition with compensation. .Bit
artifico would make it appear that two .vote*
were..cou,sistent on the, part of those who voted for
the former'and intended to appose the present.--,1 -
They voted owthe former ooession for that prin.&
, ,
clne, which was now, for mere convenience, di-
vided into two

A sharp recriminating 'debitte tool; place, which
lasted a Considerable tiine, .on the point of boo.
sisteney in voting for.the Sinecure Abolition Bill,
and opposing that now before the 116sise. Alessys„
Ponsonhy, Tierney, W. tiirslth, Lamb, Littleton,
Sir I\l, W. Ridley, and Lords Ebrington mid
Milton, severally defended their consistency; rind
Lord Binning and Air. Peel held contrary
nians, contending that the two votes could not
be consistent.

The Cii.ANCRLLEM of the fI'ACHECAUER (allotting
to a censure applied by Mr. I'uusouhy to Mr. CIAII.k.
ttin for inconsistency, in accepting hitt present
situation after his difference with a Noble •Lord)'
thotight it extraorthuary that the light Honour-.
able Gentleman should take that opportunity to
find faith with his Bight Htt ootteable Friend,
Ivhose consiSrency on this occasion was us great,
as his own. tin the subject of Pensions the con-
duct (4. MinisterS 'night be fully scrutinized, Par..i
tfeularly with respect to lrtland, where the largest.
pension that could be granted was 1,2001. a year,
which waireduccd in 14,nglish currency to 10001.
lie ~.vouid not now enter into ally discussion on,
the .subject,. because the Finance Committee war'
likely to tlitt4e'a Report much sooner than the'
Hight -1.19 n, cientienm (qtr. Tierney) ixperttd ;
but he vould now melanin, that he should have
`an opportunity, in a few days, of proposing saute
alteration in. the Consolidated Fund, in come-
rittettee of the junction of the two Iclietitters,
After several replies and e*planations,
Mr. BLAKE'said, he did' like the Noble
Lord (Binning), rise to defend the Right
Gentleman (Alr. CAnnitq'). His conduct, when.
ever the proper tithe arrived, would be pronntinCed
by the ilou,e und the country to deserve every
respect, but he rose to defend the honourable and
Learned Gentlennin on the other side from their.
delettee4 and pi inection of his friends. The Right -
Ilan. Gentleman (Air. PonsonbyY, conititi.mced by'.
avowing' an intention to shew that the Honour'.
tilde and Learnt d Gentleman's conduct (Mr.
Ilrnugliatu'7) %viol not inconsistent, but, fustetid
retorted the charge of inconsistency
upon the RiOit Hon. Gentleman
upon a'subiect quite foreign to the present. 1 he.
non. Member (Nil. Stuhti) bent followed on the
same side, but his speech antannted to a deelnra.
lion, that he *mild-himself practise !hex hicon.
tistency which be would blame in another; eul