The Sun.
London, England, 1828-04-07 00:00:00

have given him four guineas a-day, but te would not
have been overpaid . with thiee. .Flri not know
whether the most respectable attornies; such as Mr.
Tottie, of Leeds, had any more than three guineas
a-day. Mr. Jefferson was engaged every day, and.
night too, sometimes; in the absence of Mr. Hardy.
He should think he would be engaged two or three
hours a-day, and sometimes five or six hours. He
was also under the necessity of attending various
entertainments at Mr. Hardy's expense.
Mr. BROUGHAM.—What do you mean by attend-
ing various entertainments ? Do you mean that he
drank to the honour and glory of Mr. Hardy ?
Witness.—He would do a little at that way
amongst the rest.—(Laughter.)
Did he smoke to his name ?—I can't say that I
saw him smoke.—(Loud laughter.)
Then did he not eat to his praise ?—He might.
Did he magnify him by dancing ?—(Loud laugh-
ter.)—l did not see him• dance any.
Who were Mr. Houldsworth's agents ?--Mr.
Smithson, Mr. Ramskill, and Mr. Horner.
Mr. Starkie's ?—Mr. Forrest, Mr. Wood, and
Mr. Foster.
Mr. Hardy's P—Mr. Mitton, Mr. Norton, and Mr.
Jefferson.

Mr. BROUGHAM.—WeII done, Mr. Wood ; you
have dome more in one minute than they could do
in four days in the House of Commons. They were
examining witnesses four days in the commit-
tee of the House of Commons, and they could
not learn who were the agents to the respec-
tive candidates at the Pontefract election. What do
you give at Pontefract for head money ? Witness.—
For head money, Sir?

Mr. BROUGIIAIII.—For head money ? YeR, for
head money, Sir; don't you understand what I mean
by head moneY ?—I don't understand you, Sir.—
(Loud laughter.)
Oh dear ! No. I dare say you never heard of
such a thing at Pontefract, did you ?—I don't un-
derstand you, Sir.
Well, Sir, but I mean voting money. Do you
understand that ?—Yes, I do, Sir ; and Mr. Hardy
paid it.—(Roars of laughter.)
And so did Mr. Houldsworth too, did he not ;
Yes, he did.
And Mr. Starkie ?--No, he did not.
Well, but it will be paid, I suppose ?—I won't
say so. •
But you expect it, don't you ?—I dare say some
of them do.

Tell me, Sir, do you believe there is one man in
Pontefract that would refuse to take head-money

—Yes, I believe there iF.

Well, now, to save the place, will you swear there
are 10 righteous men in it ?—(Laughter.)—Yes,
-there ale more- than 10 who have never received
any thing.
But you won't swear to more than 10 to save the
city ?—No.

Witness—Saw Mr. Jefferson walking with Mr.
Hardy continually. They went into different dwell-
ing-houses. When he sees a professional gentleman
walking about a town with a candidate, he considers
him as the agent of that candidate, and that lie
ought to be paid for it. Few profeSsional men
(looking at Mr. Brougham) like to work without
being paid for it.—(Laughter.)
Mr. BROUGHAM---I candidly tell you lam one of

them; I suppose that hit was aimed at me.—(Loud
laughter.)—Theo, do you mean to say that when-
ever you saw Mr. Hardy, Mr. Jefferson was with
hint can't say so; I have seen them separately,
but more frequently together.

Witness—Mr. Clough was also an agent of Mr.
Hardy's,• and so was Mr. Norton : they were both
in one firm. Mr. Brooke was not one. Won't
swear it, but he never saw hint there (hiring the
election. He was staticned at" Huddersfield, al-
though a partner with Messrs. Clough and Norton.
Saw Mr. Milton's son with Mr. Hardy. Has known
Mr. Jefferson for 20 years. Thinks he took out his
certificate as an attorney in 1820 or 1821. Has
never heard Mr. Jefferson say that he did not obtain
his certificate till 1826, or from that to four years
ago. Did not know that Mr. Jefferson • wrote to
Mr: Blakelock, in London, for his certificate, and
that Mr. Blakelock refused to send him it' till lte
had paid for it. Did not know what business Mr.

.Jefferson had ; never saw his chambers. - Never saw
his clerks. As to his clients, he never pryed into his
books to see whether he had any. (Here Mr. Jef-
ferson's certificates were put in, tplie first of which
was dated 9th February, 1824.)
Re-examined by Mr. Sergeant JONES—Saw him
frequently active in the presence of Mr. Hardy ; and
Mr. Hardy might have known that he was canvass-
ing for him.

Mr. Wm. Horner, by Mr. JONES.---WipleiS was
one of the agents of Mr. Houldsworth. -Was born
in the ancient borough of Pontefract,, and has known
Mr. Jefferson very well. They have elections there;
law-agents are employed, and they have a good deal
of trouble. From what he knew of the services of
Mr. Jefferson; he should conceive that fifty guineas
would have been as little as he would have been
entitled to.

Cross-examined by Mr. BROUGHAM.—Are all the
candidates' bills paid at Pontefract ? Witness.—l
believe not.

Who do you think would be at the head of the
poll, suppose there was to be an election there to-
morrow ?—I can't tell.
Is there a river at Pontefract ?—No.

Any water there ?—Not much.
I mean a place, you know, where they could give
a man a few good ducks, if he had come into the
town and did not please them 2—There are net many
places of that sort.
Is there no water called the non-payment mem-
ber's ducking-pond, with some green stuff upon it ?
No. (Continued laughter.)
Is it a common thing for an agent to go round
when the candidate is not there 2—lt is necessary
to go round in his absence.
Did you say so in the House of • Commons ?—.
The question was not put to me.
Did you say it was necessal y to go round in the
absence of the candidate 9—The question was not put.
1 ask you not whether the question was 'put, but
did you state that in the House of Commons 2-1
don't recollect.
Did you give that answer, Sir 2—l mean to say,
I do not recollect either the question or the answer.
Now, Mr. Horner, have a care ; we have the mi-
nutes of the House of Commons before us. I ask
you again; will you swear that you did not repre-
sent it to be useless going about in the absence of
the candidate ?—I don't recollect.
I don't ask you what you recollect, but did you
swear that before the
.Committee of the House of
Commons 9-I again say I do not recollect.
Ay, but will you swear you did not say so 9--I
do not believe you can find it, Mr. Brougham ; look
at the minutes and see. .

I will not look at the minute., Sir; I will fasten

it into you a little more yet. [Here Mr. Brougham
persevered for some time in putting this question,
but never received a positive answer whether he did
or did not.]
What is a proper charge per day f6r attending
and services at an election ?-1 think three guineas
or more, ought to:be paid.
Was you with Mr. Mitton at Lord Pollington's
eleetiom?-7Yes, I was.
Why, what did you charge tkcn can't recol-
lect now.
(Mr. BRotrott*presented aim to witness.)—
Do you know th,at.hand-writine4Y.es•
,ls it not yours.?--.Yes • • • ;.•
(Mr. BROUGHAM- then read the.followipgitems):-..-:
Attending YOu,' myself, and Mr. Homer, on your',
canvass, three guineas per day. • Attending you for
the purpose of distributing gineas, three guineas."
I can't say how many persons attended Mr. Hardy :
Mr. Srnith, Mr. Barker, and Mr. Flintoff Leathem.
were there.
By Mr. Justice BAYLEY.-' No • professicat man
attentled Mr. Houldsworth but what was paid for it.
Mr. Wm. Wood recalled by the JUDGE.—No