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WEDNESDAY EVENING, NOVEMBER 22, 1826.

try. If our intelligent artisans were emigrating, and carry-7
ing with them that knowledge which wouid establish manu-
factories in other countries, it was because Ministers were peals-
' sing. If capital was driven out of the country—if profit was
low—if our manufacturers could no longer compete with those of
other countries—it was also because Ministers were doubting' and
pausing. They were the most extraordinary doubters and
pateiers, excepting Lord Chancellors-whether Loed Chancellor
King or Lord Chancellor EldOn—he had ever witnessed. He
must say, hetvever, in favour of the Noble Earl, that his delays
only ruined the Suitors in his Court, while nothing less than the
ruin of the country was caused by the doubts and pausing* of
the Ministers. It was yet doubted whether the Corn Bill was to
be a Cabinet question or not ; and, like the Catholic Question, he
believed it Was not, because no measure of importance was made
a Cabinet question. The famous Corn Bill of 1815. was not a
Cabinet measure; it was got up by Irish jobbers, well seconded,
indeed, by the jobbers both of England and Scotland. They fixed
the price at eighty shillings ; at which sum they; in their great
mercy, would allow the people to get bread. • They had not, in-
deed, always obtained this sum, but they intended to wring it
from the people. If Parliament Wished to see in what light its
conduct was received, let the Members look at the different pub-
lic Meetings. Their Lordships and. the other House of Parlia-
ment were considered as a body of landlords, who had the power
to make what laws • they pleased, and made use of that power to
levy a tax on the people. Of the other House it was said that
the Country Gentlemen hid 'entered into an implied contract
with the Ministers to support extravagant establishments, if
Ministers would. secure them high prices. It was 'in this man-
ner the Parliament was spoken and thought of in the country. In
this way was the extraordinary expenditure of the Goverinneut
accounted for. The Country Gentlemen sanctioned the taxa-
tion of upwards of fifty millions a year. This was the cause why,
in
.the twelfth year of peace, there was no reduction of the National
Debt; and why the peace, or rather war establishments still cost
upwards of twenty millions sterling per annum. It seemed as if
the object of Government was to try by experiment, not how
cheaply, but how clearly and costly Goiernment could be carried
on. We enjoyed the bad pre-eminence of being the most taxed
people, and having the most expensive Government in the world.
His Majesty, though it was so generally allowed that this enor-
mous taxation was a cause of &webs, said nothing in his Speech
about reducing it. The estimates were to ,be framed with a consi-
deration to the exigencies of the public service, but not with any
regard to the distress of the people. Under this view of the matter,
he had drawn up an Amendment, which he should move should
be added to the Address. His Lordship sat down by moving that
the following Amendment be added to the Address :
" trust that a steady adherence to just and liberal principles
of policy will prevent a repetition of those distresses which, in the
course of the last ten years, have repeatedly and severely afflicted
all classes of your Majesty's subjects.
" We have observed, with the utmost anxiety, those vicissitudes
in the state and condition of the landed, commercial, and menu-
, tlicturing interests ; those alternate seuaons of prosperity and ad-
versity ; of a short and fallacious prosperity, followed :by wide
spread calamity and ruin, so unusual, and so unnatural, in a period
of profound peace.
". We cannot avoid comparing the titans and condition of all the
great leading interests of the country during the last ten years of
peace, and contrasting it with the uninterrupted prosperity and
comfort eujoyed by all classes' of our . fellow-subjects dur-
ing the ten years which followed. the conclusion of the Ame-
rican war ; at that period the civil and military eatablishments`
were fixed on the most economical scale of expense—the advan
tages.of our insular situation were duly appreciated—a state of
peace was then, also, a state of repose front unnecessary taxation ;
the wise economy which afforded ease to the subject, prepared at
the same time for the Government the means of those astonishing
exertions which were called forth in the course of the last war—
at the same time, with a taxation exceeding fifty millions,.
little, if any progress has been made in the reduction of the na-
tional debt, and with a peace establishment of twenty tuillious,
nearly quadruple, wr fear that, front time etotto of our fineness,'
this kingdunm is very ill prepared to resist time aggreammioo of to-.

reign states.
" During this former peace, the prohibitory laws did not apply
in practice to the most important articles of produce—to the ,
trade in corn. The ports of Great Britain were then constantly
open ,to the adinission, of foreign wheat at a low and almost nomi-
nal
duty, and, at no period of our history, did the landed interest
as well aisthe whole cbrumuuity, enjoy greater security and pro-
sperity. The existing laws which prohibit the importation of
foreign corn, except when the price of grain shall have been raised
in the home market,,,to an extravagant height, are
.found to
be highly detrimental to the public prosperity ; they caused
an unnecessary waste of labour in the cultivation of poor lands ;
they enhance the•cost of food; they diminish the profits of stock ;
they have a strong tendency to drive capital abroad ; they are
most injurious to trade, by limiting the beneficial exchange of fo-
reign raw produce with the manufactured produce of British in-
dustry; they encourage the estiffilialiment of rival manufacture iu
foreign countries; and lastly, they are unjust, inasmuch as they pre-
vent the people from. obtainieg a supply of the first necessary of life
at the cheapest market. During the former peace, and until the
unfortunate era of 1'797, the currency of the country was in a
more fixed and perfect state, being composed in a large proportion
of the lawful gold coin of the realm, not in its nature liable to
excessive issues and sudden coatraction, we have since endiu•ed all
the evils arising from a large, and in many instances, from an in-
creased circulation of paper, creating at one time, by undue exten-
sion, an artificial and delusive prosperity; and, producing at ano-
ther time, must sudden and severe reverses, destructive alike to
prosperity and industry. In the course of ten years of uninter-
rupted peaces we have observed, with the utmost pain, the fre-
quent recurrence of a state of calamity and ruin, unexampled in
the midst of war, and feel convinced that the only substan-
tial security for the future will be found in , reducing and
retrenching the public expenditure, in full and entire re-
storation of a secure currency, . by the, removal of all
traces of those innovations in our monetary system, made in
1'797, together with such additional securities as may be necessary
to place that part of the cotaleocy consisting of the promissory
note of private bankers, on a solid foundation; and above- all, iu
respect of the Corn Laws, and in the, abolition of all that is still
suffered to remain of the impolitic prohibitory code, which sacri-
fices the interests of the many of the f•w, and favours the pro-
ducers at the expenee of the great body of consumers, who are of
the community at large."
The LORD CHANCELLOR then put the Amendment to the
vote, and it was rejected sub silentio and nenane contradicente.
The LORD CHANCELLOR then put the question, that the
original Address be agreed to. •
The Earl of LAUDERDALE only rose in consequence of what
bald fallen from the Noble Lord who had seconded the Address.
His Majesty's Speech had graciously promised' that a copy of
the Order in Council which was the cause of the asaeutbling of
Parliament, should be laid before the House. The proper time
for taking that Order in Council into consideration, would
therefore be when it should be on their Lordships table, and then
be trusted that a motion would he made to itiveiitigate the subject.
Bat he had not expected that any Noble Lord oil this oecasioa, and
before the document was in possession of the House, would have
urged its great propriety. This the Noble Seconder had done.—
Ho hail prenouneed a panegyric on the measure, and he (the Earl
of Landerdale)• only wished at present to guard himself from
being "Robed to have acceded to the opinioa expressed
by the Noble Lord. Hs certainly approved of • his Majesty's Ali-
nimter* applying to Parliament to be iudemnified for having com-
mitted a breach of the law • but he must also own that he was
most entirely takensuch by surprise' at the issuing of such an Order in
a period.
The Duke of nu
had he not CKINGII.OI would have remained silent,
pleiu, in -;fevowiewlol,lepproviug as he did odf thele
ittiditaressor,itiois
ap-
probation.ex
Ss, faith time grounds
colours than
they had been: 71 Lot necessary to paint deeper.
' "cult* and distresses of the country , en
the contrary, he Wish ~d "
of them, in order that
that a steady sober view fiat
e Ix
t a ,moment should be lost in altering
that System,
edt bad for years been' the real source
r
of those difficulties ti'.r and
tlaaeß ' not 'a ins
opinion, to any administration nal at Y.
e.nee
1793, and established in that but to that system exittmg
the 'country up and down to ox, which he'd continually work..
and ruin. Nothing but a the alternate extrentea of prosperity
her. lie wished lie could liarturf
'from that system
cal"
sat*
age. with the Noble Seconder,• that
the ,distresses of the 'country were themselves'remov-
;
wbut!thit
was more than doubtful to hint'. it
as true that we -hatl-beln

at the top of the wave which the commercial tempests had raised,
but all danger was not yet past. He would not argue those sub-
jects now, however, but only snake general statements to be argued
after. But he was convinced that nothing would reach the evil save
a change in the state of the currency. It should be determined
what proportion of currency, between papers and metals, was
necessary for the service of the country, anti Ministers, after
opening a public competition in the money market, instead of
trusting to the Bank of England, should- propose and establish
by law that no larger a quantity of paper should be circulated
through the country than the proportion which had been found
necessary. They should be obliged not to commnnicate only with
the body of the Bank, but to allow of fair competition. This
would be sanctioned by the manner in which they had acted with
respect to free trade. Concerning freedom of trade, he never
could see why the question of Gnu could be separated from that
of the other manufactures of the country. The free trade of his
Majesty's Ministers was only an arrangement of duties to enable
our manufinsturere to compete with foreigners. Why should not
a similar arrangement be formed with regard to Coro The
Ministers were appealed to by the. country, who expectud from
them measures calculated to relieveiter from her distresses. They
possessed her confidence, and she looked ill, to them, not .for high
prices, for it was, neither the wish isertihe interest of farmers to
have them ; but for a scale of duties, winch would allow fair
emnpetition, and chiefly for some sscuilty as to stability, nut
height of prices. He trusted his Majinty's Ministers would pro-
pose some measure of this nature, to place the commercial, ma-
nufacturing, and agricultural systems on such a footing as to re-
store the prosperity of the country.
Earl DARNLEY should have acquiesced in the evident dispo-
balm of ther
House to abstain from discussion, had it net been In
a remark which had Callen from the last Noble Earl who had
spoken. lie agreed with him that the time to discuss the Order
in Council would be when it should lie before the House; but he
should not do justice to his feelings, if he did nut state distinctly
his opinion of the measure adopted by his Majesty's Ministers.—
, Taking the circumstances of the time, and the threatening aspect
of the crops in Ireland, into consideration, he would not only say
that they were perfectly justified in adopting that nteasure, hut
that they would have deserved the reprobation of their Lordships
and of the country, if they had followed a different course. It was
true that the crops in Ireland had turned out better than was ex-
pected, but they had done their duty, and he approved most highly
of their conduct.

Viseount CIA POEN said, that oats had entirely failed iu Ireland,
though the crop of potatoes had been saved. The enormous price
of oats both here and iu Scotland and Ireland, completely justified
his Majesty's Ministers fur what they had done. Had not, by a
dispensation of Providence, the rains come down about the middle
of August, there would have been a famine in Ireland as sure as
there ever was in Egypt.

The Earl of LIVERPOOL—My Lori's, after the course which

this discussion has taken, it is not my purpose to allude at any
length to the topics which have been introduced into it. I can
only say, that the address was framed in such a way as to render
any opposition to it wholly unnecessary. Undoubtedly, the topics
which have been broached by the Noble Lord who moved th
amendment are highly important. Yet it must be obvious, that
from the very extent and character of them, these topics, are
such as no administration whatever "weld say that they were pre-
pared to discuss and decide upon, on the very first day of a Ses-
sion. A proper opportunity will be given to your Lordships for
entering upon each of these important matte's), and I shall then be
ready to bear my part in the discussion of them. With respect
to the observations of the Noble Earl who complained that ilia
Noble seconder of the Address had given his opinion on the Order
in Council, it was undoubtedly competent to his Lordship to ex-
press his opinion on the matter; but still your Lordship have to
pronounce your judgment upon the propriety of issuing it under
the circumstances. But your Lordship must be aware that
the order in Council must be eonfirtned by an Act of
Indemnity. When that Bill conies to be discussed, one
doubted'y an ample opportouity will- then be at forded
to your Lordships . take' thw cows* you shall think
proper—to move an A. ddrem confirming the propriety of the
order, or reprobating its policy. My Lords, it seems minece9-
Nary to add a word more; *bail content myself, therefore, with
just reminding persons, who are but too well disposed to forget
it after the event itself has passed away, that there was one fort-
night of the bummer which has just passed as alarming, with
respect to the produce of the earth, as any period that ever was
experieured..--(Hear, hear.)---But, my Lords, I would not rest
the propriety of issuing the Order in Council even ou that fact,
although I believe that no more substantial justification need be
adduced for the act of Ministers than the appearance of the pro..
ductions of the earth just at the close of August and beginning of
September. I only beg to remind Noble Lords of this circum-
stance, and to remind them of it particularly with reference to
Ireland. Of the two great topics to which a Noble Duke on the
cross bench (Buckingham) had alludtel; namely, the currency
and the Corn Laws. lam disposed to say nothing at this
moment. As to the first, I can only say, et present,
that I have the misfortune to differ altogether front the opinions
entertained by the Noble Duke, and with respect to the other I
ant sure your Lordships will agree with me that it is not the pro- ,
per time to miter upon a subject which I admit to he of the first
importance, and one that will demand, in this. Session, the most
deliberate attention of your Lordships. But, my. Lords, with re-
epeet to that subject, I rise to say, and I now give notice, that
since, in the first place, no very enlarged attendance of the Mein-
hers of your Lordships' House can be yet counted on, and seeing
that you have been called together at this early season for a special
impose, I rise to give notice that at the earliest convenient day,,,
after the recess, it is my intention to call your Lordship.' attention
to the important subject of the Corn Laws.--(Hear, hear.)
The original motion was then put and eatried.
On the motion of the Earl of LIVERPOOL, the Earl of
Shaftesbury was appointed Chairman of Committees.
On the motion of the Earl of LIVERPOOL, the Standing Or-
ders of the House were ordered to be retained.
Adjourned at Half past Six o'ClocL

HOUSE OF COMMONS• TUFSDAY.

The SPEAKER took the Chair at a few minutes before two

o'clock, and was almost buntediataly summoned to the Rouse of
Lords by the Ushor of the Black Rod. Upon his return the ce.
rentony of swearing in Members was continued until half-past
four o'clock.

The SNEAKER then commenced the Parliamentary business by
introducing the Bill for the More effeotually preventing clandee..
tine outlawries, which was read the first and second time; after
which he read through the sessional orders.
Lord nonm AI rose, and said that he was anxious to offer him-
self to the attention of the House at the earliest passible opportu-
nity. There was something peculiar in his return to Parliament,
which put hint in a dileibma when he considered that sessional
order which had just been rod, respecting the double return of
any member He had been twice returned for the borough of Leo-
miuster—in one indenture with Mr. Bish,•and iu the other with
Mr. Rowland Stephenson.: His name, however, was iu both in-
dentures. There were, as the House might naturally suppose,
some very peculiar circumstances attending that election, which it
would be improper in him to enter into upon that occasion, but
he must beg lein'e to assure the Mame that he himself was impli-
cated in nerve of them. It was, always intended that.his return
should be full and complete, but he now offered himself to the House,
and would respectfullybow to their decision on the subject.
The SPEAKER said that the moot convenient mode of pro-
ceeding would be for the Clerk to reati the return as entered in
the books of the Wow.,
The Clerk then resin the indentures, which were precisely as
his Lordthin lied stared them.
A tr. W YNN
observed, that he believed it had already beendecided, dee4led, that the order *Wetting the ..double return:of any Mem-
per did not extend to such a case *shin Lordehip's.--1 Hear, hear.)
His Lordship then resumed his, seat.
Lord ALTHORP gave notice that to-morrow he should renew
the motion respecting the resolutions against bribery, which had
been Peseed in the preceding session,
his.: LITTLETON gave notice of a motion for the rowel of
the standing orders respecting select committees for private. hills. 1
The SPEAKER then announced to the House, that be had
been to the House of Peers, and heard the *Neck from the throne,
of which, lu order to prevent Mistakes, he hart obtained a coPh
and woul4 now read it to the Howie. . I

(For the King's smell, see our Lords' report.)
The Hon. Mr. LIDDELL rose-to move the Address, To ad"
•ets that Howe., for
.111 c Wat time, even under• any eircum-

stances, was no light matter; but, after the gracious Speech of
hie Majesty, Which had just been read, and upon this peculiar
subject, he could
,not help feeling that he stood in ueed of all that
indulgenee which the House was never backward in extending
to new Members. His Majesty's SPeech might, be divided into
four heads ; first, the late Order in Council for the admission of
foreign grain ; secondly, the glorious conclusion of- the war in
' India; thirdly, the assurances of the friendly intentions of
Foreign Powers, and the anxiety of his Majesty and his allies
to arrest the progress of existing hostilities, and to prevent
the interruption of peace in different parts of the world •
fourthly, the sympathy which his Majesty expressed with
the sufferings in the manufacturing districts, and hie satisfac-
tion at the exemplary patience with which thase sufferings bad
been generally borne. With respect to the first, hie Ma-
jesty was of opinion that, the Legidature would confirm 6( :order
of Council. lf he good effects of that measure had 111414;bren
seen' as well as the distress which necessarily fidlowed
higl: prices of the market. He need not dwell upon the fact that
the dearness of provisions was always accorepanied by distress, or
speculate upon the additional sufferinge which the country mutt
have undergone if this measure had not been carried into curet ;
but he would say, that if the Miuisters had beheld the distreseeeof
the country, withtmt alleviating them, by bursting through the
*hackle* with which they were. bound, and' applying the remedy
of tide wstbetilifeil interference, they would 'have dewrved con-
detonation, while they were now entitled to every man's applause.
He wise convinced that the Hottse would feel no difficulty in giv-
ing its sanction to this measure. With respect to the second point
whatever opinions might be entertained respecting the commence-
ment of the war in India, all must rejoice at its glorious conclu-
sion. In his opinion, however, the commencement of the war was
proper, because it was a necessary measure, and the experience of
more than half a century had proved that when treatise and pacific
measures were found insufficient, the British Government in
India must show that it had the power of redressing its
wrongs, and of punishing the aggressors. He trusted that
this severe lesson would teach the prveumptuotts Court of Ava
to confine itself to its own dominions. Upon the third head,
he could only express his hope that .hie Majesty would succeed in
his pacificatory intentions, and especially as far as regarded Por-
tugal and Spain. While this portion of the affairs of the country
were under the superinteadauce of the Right Hon. Gentlemen
near him (Mr. Canning), he Was convinced that the dignity of
the realm would be upheld, and its interests carefully attended to.
The House had not yet forgotten his early recognition of the in-
dcpendeuce of the Spanish colonies), or the benefits which had
accrued to the trade of the country from that measure for that,
the nation 'owed a debt of gratitude which could never be for-
gotten; and he could not help indulging in the fond hope, that
the period was not very far distant when the time, and the ta-
lents, and the attention of that Right Honourable Gentleman,
would be devoted to depressed, persecuted, and insulted Greece.
He trusted that, before long, that unhappy country would en-
joy the rank to which she was entitled among the indeptudent
Sovereignties of the world. Ile might, perhaps, Lave gone too
far upon this point, but he hoped that he should be excused
if, iu his deeire for liberty, he had overstepped the limits of his'
subject. The fourth point was the most difficult part of the
office he had undertaken. The country well knew that his Ma-
jesty sympathized in those unhappy sufferings which the mon-
facturiog districts had undergone; the country had witntssed'his
charity and mouiticence in this particular ; the acts of his Ma-
jesty here spoke for themselves, and he wotild not weaken them
by any praise of his. He was aware that, independent of these
sufferings in the manufacturing districts, distress had been, and
was, still prevalent iu other parts, but he trusted that Parliament
would shortly be able to apply a remedy for all these evils—'
In spite of all that had happened, though the House could not
expect that the year's revenue had been unimpaired, yet there
was much in his Majesty's Speech to keep off despondency
the internal consumption of the country had not materially fallen
off, and, amidst all the distress, the exemplary conduct of the
operatives furnished subject at least for consolation : they had
been excited upon this, as upon for Mer occasions, but the in-
fluence of such pecions was now lomt.npoit then.), aml their :Or ice
was rejected with scnru: The Honourable Gentleman trusted that
trade would soon revive, amid the country would surely, though
perhaps slowly, return to a better state : he hoped that the
gambling speculator would be expelled, and the tonna capitalist
rise; and that as the turbulent storm was accustomed to clear the
atmosphere, so the late violent couvulsiuns of the country would
only have the effect of purifying the political atmosphere. The.
Honourable Gentleman declared his respect for the present ad-
ministration, and his determination to support it; but assured
the House,, that, unbiassed by party zeal, be would treat all
ques-
tion.+ as he believed them to deserve, as long as the great county
which had sent bins to that House thought fit to continue him as
their representative. If lie had spoken too long, or introduced
topics which were somewhat irrelevant, he threw himself on time
indulgence of the House, and would conclude by moving that tin
humble. Address be presented to his Majesty.
[The Hon. Gentleman then read the Address, which was an
echo of his Majesty's Speech.]
Mr. WYNN, in rising to second the Address, said, that he did
so with feelings of great anxiety, and of :great pleasure also.
They had all that day an opportunity of witnessing the parental
regard the Sovereign had manifested for the preservation of the
rights and liberties of the people, and they must. feel that the
royal prerogatives, so far from 'Ring iuconsistunt with those
rights. anti liberties, mutually supported each,other. Among the
topics of congratulation afforded by the Speech from the Throne,
was the announcement of peace, and the gratifying prospect of its
continuance. The termination of a war, such as we had been en-
gaged in in the East, was attended with mutiny and peculiar ad-
vantages, on which it was needless to expatiate. The pro-
spect of the continuance of this peace, however, was more
to be relied on from our internal means of preserving it,
than from any external causes. Within ourselves, we must
look fur its preservation as well as fur the proitecistion
of war, if war should at any time be found neeeesery.—
England was a country, powerful in more respects than
though
elown
dimet
one—it was a commercial, an agricultural, and a martial,
country, and, unlike the dangerous beauty of Italy, which,
whilst it presented a temptation, presented no formidable resist-
ance* invasion, it possessed ample and varied means to repel inva-
sion, and on any and every occasion to vindicate itielf. Our commer-
cial importance imparted habits of diligence, and brought with it
knowledge to direct that commerce in useful and profitable cluttmels.
We had an active and industrious agricultural columunity--;-a fer-
tile soil—,presenting a flat face favourable to the growth of corn,
and of every kind of agricultural Produce., Moreever, we hail a
warlike sword and a martial spirit to protect us, and these coni-
bitted resources raised us above the apprehension of fear from the
gripe of foreign aggression. In our foreign relations we were
happily situated, for which we were indebted to the Secretary of
State for Foreign Affairs (Mr. Canning), who at once
eil the dignity of this country abroad, and preserved it front the
miseries of war. He would advert to the policy which that Right
Hon. Gentleman had so euceelefully market' out for this country
at the time that the French passed over the Pyrenees into Speiu,
at which time the neutral pulley acted upon and maintained as
the judicious and nature' one for this country to (dome under the
relations in which she stood to.vtahredsuli)eohtltt
Gentleman, on that trying occa,
of liberty-,-had assisted the high
cirtanustawee of the
nowlr.ige of the Law of
tints that atrilultlada
rt,i)iuspuldayteid
wglia,astrta
ce°l4)italtriz:aticr4tiaest.4l.ll-tttitfillfil:Alengilenttiigltleh:furnil'4'ldiol,nha. t time same time, prevented this
emiumplaint
not afforded to Spain,
country from an indiscreet display o,tk'
ilitrottl.heczenooliegialtliattliouhadote'lemp,iutitclit 'Aamerican States,
wyeltotir
oa;reesonwsiedreervtaki
tettlet that the ti”:,folteueniietstihoettihesrtraugtg,t-,liiane
Country,xasga.biaiimutett
not he disindined to teems of amity with itttch:i!lesliti!4iitlilliit.glasiltarmyilh..iiit;t_ii(emietto,tutn''raldAioultuitelleeti
these occasion's the Right Mu. Gentleman, in his opinion, hail
feared
bdaistpluawey:
setltteittli itsitierapterosq:driotuiesepeolficay
ofArrelledato%itive:l9'prait;ciecavrdhu"oeduhlettatof obs erg%
was such as to lead ether countries,
unwillingly, to adopt that recognition for which
Cintleman, the possession of whose commanding d, in the
„zti,ii(xieselttatrtyni.sotautpleiittlieftit:eltie:n.w.
present state of the New Co
l'unie*-^in thethat lin.
stimkg
between them--with the line of demarkation jealousies
s
Right lion Gentleman. In the differencesPhr4atlln, yet anti►trlhr
exercise; Of that diplomatic skill which
between +.'h elm
Fortugal-:aeountries which were not so mud, separated distinct
*eauttoiibrst;til,fa to
attthlitdee

' boundary u thififene and as it were, a tutu=
sal antipathy tovgrde each other ; and again, in the VW of un-
fortunate.Greeee—the foreign policy of the Right lion. Gioia/-
man wait entitled to the commendation he had already bestowed
on the other parts of it. 'On the aireirs of the latter country
(Greets!), heforbore, for obvious reasons, front expatiating:at pa- e-
scut—ho dared not to trust -himself with the expressions of indigna-
tion which he felt against those who had wasted that country. In
looking to the present situation of this and of other countries, he
could not think it safe and honourable to its interests, that the Civil
acid Military establishments of this country should he reduced to what
was understood by the term a peace establishment. With the. present
military aspect which the nations of _Europe:presented, he did nnt
think that England could he reduced, in point of military force,
to that low standard which, under ordinary circumatauces, every
. friend to his country would gladly see it reduced to. The next
r point of the King's Speech was that. which related to the. Orders
in Council. The admission of oats, under the circumstances
wirier which they pare admitted, was expedient and necessary.
What was the situation of the country at the time of their ad-
; mission ? The price of oats had greatly risen in this country.--
r there was a deficiency, or at least a just apprehension of a de&
ciency, of bread, even for a great portion of the population of this
r country, and all the apprehended dangers of scarcity from a failure
of the potatoe crop. It was not easy to contemplate the extent
, of distress in Ireland, in the. event of the failure of the potato,/
crop. In this state of the country, Ministers, in his opinion were
fully justified in the exercise of the discretion. which Parliament
'had reposed in them. As he had incidentally mentioned Irelatid,
he would take this opportunity of stating, that he would always
• take the deepest interest in whatever concerned that interesting,
lovely, and beautiful eountry—(a :alight laugh).-..rued that he
would he glad at all times to promote airy mnerrsure that might.
contribute to the welfare of diet noble race of men, provided
the intended benefit was consistent with the maintenance of our
establishments in Church and State, There were no measurer,
however, in his opinion, which weuld More contribute to the
improvement of Ireland, than the residence of her landed
proprietors, and the encomagetneut Of the investiture of
English capital there. Upon the subject of the Corn Laws, he
was open to conviction. As far as his present information wept,
however; he .did not see any occasion him en alteration in them
jt'ku:hhhialtiat:tociostaushefaPeistyciyootttolhinalanittele,ixireiecisragricaerliesf otenlf:h:tsarhta; itel:ilset4fuenirreuredteilnia:oliyff. eMe7xiitettl'ilrielsritealfrodde',so:ePigLe.yaie.ai-rilEtwd:
ration in the Corn Laws. Though dietreisi Led extensively pre-
vailed, yet he hoped it would In soon dissipated, through their
• exertions, and the favourable dispensations of Provideuce ; that
the clouds which hung upon the horizon would exhale, and the
country be raised and cheered by its returning, sure of glory sod
prosperity.--(Hear, hear.)--The Hon. Gentleman concluded by
aeronding the amendment. - •
Mr. BROUGHAM next rose--Sir, it has often hem my
lot, of later years, to compleiu, that the older end inure
usual practice has been ebaudoned, which made Members
acquainted beforehand substantively, though imperfectly,
with the contents and topics intended to be introduced into
the Speech from the Throne. 'llst practice, which iuforni-
. ed Members a few days before they were called upon to de-
cide what it was they were to decide upon, seems no longer
to be followed—yet I cannot but consider diet it was the
safest, the fairest,, and most convenient course that could be
adopted, and that the departure (rum this former arid ordinary
rule has been, .in all imitate:es with which . I um acquainted
attended with great inconvenience. Often as I have felt and com-
plained of this inconvenieuce, and though I am of opinion that it
had bran better if the Nutter rule were still perserted in--yet, I
am deprived .of the privilege of the complaint on thii occasion ;
for I could not experet that any person could listee to me with a
grave eutintenanee, whilst I WAS complaining that I turd trot an
opportunity of reading, considering, mid digestieg, a Speech,
which (as fir as I ,nay judge, (rein being obliged hastily to takes
it up, and peruse it), is made up from beginning to end of blanks
(Hear, lieur)—a speech, in which Iris Majesty's Miuisters have
said so little, and told so many nothings (hear, arid a lauelt), arid
from which they have left out entirely the mention, and even al-
lesion, :of all subjects which might and ought to be discussed.
Such is my impression with respect to the Speech, and such, I
ant satisfied, is the impressiodof all who heard it--:-not even with
the exception of the Hon. Gentleructi who so ably moved Mid
seconded it. Though this is my innate conviction, as well as I
believe it to he theirs, I do not mention it as it matter of blame to
Ministers such thing—l only mention it as an inconve-
nience coneaqueut upon the fashion of making a Speech. It was
intended, no doubt, to lee what it tear--u mere civility to a aew
Parliament : and, as in similar civilities on such an occa-
sion, it was planned—and the plan was faithfully followed
ep—to say as little as possible. Let us hope, however, that
we 111,y soon see this useless and unseemly solemnity—l do
not wish to use a harsher term—altogether dispensed with.
'Mat the *over and Seconder concur in opinion with me that
tliere was nothing hi the 'Stitticle' they gave the best proof, by
escaping from it ire quick as possible. In order to snake speeehes
thepeielees ; and, as they did not poseees the faculty of waking
veechem upon nothing, they were obliged to diverge from it ;
and, instead of discussing what it contained, they were forced to
dist'lth3 what it omitted. In one of these digressions in which
tire Hon. Seconder indulged, he gave a description of the country,
to which itipplied the epithets' of fertile and flat ; the former of
which, I regret, is not at all, though the latter is very, applicable
to the Royal Speech ; for, though it wail not fertile, no one could
deny that it was flat.—(Cheere and laughter.)--There was one
passage of the Speecle which adverted vaguely to retrenchment
and economy; , turd at this passage the Hon. Seconder caught
alarm, that economy may be carried to too low a degree. But
the Hon. Gentlemen (Mr. Wynn) must be acquainted with it ais
well as I am, that there is a rule of law, which lays it down,
that deception frequently lurks smiler generalities ; and if he had
es much experience in this House as I have hail, he would knows
that' there was no generality under which a deception might be
more naturally suspected to lurk, than the vague and general re-
commendation to retrenehment to which lie bad adverted. The
apprehension of tine Hon. Gentleman seemed to be, that Minister*
would adopt tno low a scale oteeonouly, Let the lion. Member
entertain no Merin upon that score. Even if the Speech had
pledged Ministers; which h did not, to lare.geLnanivilectxuteruesei.vineßureduht-
tretichment; the Hon. Menther need nut lie apprehensive of that re-
cominendation being carried into effect in any x
there was no such reeoninunulution its' the. Royal Speech ; it
*merely contained some such general vague expression as that
care should he taken that the Hatimirtm be formed with as
attention to economy as the exigencies of the public service wilt
permit. But the Estimates at all times, even ilk the moat extra-
vagant times of Government, were always propertied .with at least
this qualificatiou. This was the ordinary language resorted toy,
yet the country derived no very material advantage from it, re.en
when specific pledges were given in language much more em-
phatic—not even when it was proposed and declared, that the'
wishes of the whole people might he complied with. For my
part, I have an apprelietision very different from that of the Hoar.
Gentlenum, and expect that the alarm which he entertains trill
he swiftly dissipated by the very first prigs- of the first estimates
that are laid upon the table...(llear, hear. )—The omissions iu
the Speech, of which I complain, have been but ill supplied by
the digresaions introduced by the Hun. Member on Ireland, arid
on retrettelunent generally. Extraordinary it is, indeed, that when
the Wilde of all men are turned towards Ireland—when,
there is bittime prevailing feeling throughout the empire with respect
to the affairs of that country—iwlien, then, it is the general and
thorottgli conviction, that there is the most urgent demand fur
speedily, though seriously, considering the state of that eoun-
try, of appcasinrg her riieru!ohirlini si,:lioo
eanv_drtlievdi not
Ireetsls
ing her n.anifoltl evils ;
yet, that the name of Tenu b 4 n►eutiuneci ant the
Royal Speech.--(1.ourl cries of "-hear, hear.")—lt is remarkable—lei me hope it isnot onlitiom—that the veer reritsuri .to the
banking out of the Meetlya ,
e:ortant crisis the inittds of all
ry
opes
An►erica tieing conquerecl by chew urigleot, or Ilse mtb 'were turned tßuvarrlc Arlie
ili'lleen'tsysetdp'iliwur
.• 7ithhquiveringi T.natt,ext V:itc,""Lny
it of
a l,rarl,eque,rand satire our
libed
her, sand cast inter priauu. IYc► ielwrn senmlcl surely'
AinVritra. thiAl, its Ireland now, was not even mentioned or alluded
to in this Speech from the Thriatrc, lieu lase from
ishtes
extinguislwel, when the Speech Mate 11°11'144"n" Ilarigil"' it
way conrsielerecl to he
that tine first persiore who published it *her/iv/art treated IS
knowing any ttriree WO, 141"4 'Maki for the lot
sit n►ontl,a, Royal "~l,eea,h did ,cut routaur, sat; it trtrglat to core
m""''' nuln tia*
iL 11.4 Il liCalintlle satisfactory tenons Air The oiniikions
persona
slsteja-t; X •
veil abstain frown• doing sel, me the
teed of hear hese)."-do lira it front the hullers
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would be the proper time to consider anti; think •
or sloo—at thrG
ssrue time one cannot help hathouritig the notion from what lie
sees, arid lieteniug to the reports width he Items, that there is a
strong premamptiou, tut least, evidenced by "outward end visible
signs," that whets some' of these propoeltioos come intim' the

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