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ROUSE OF COMMONS, August 3.
ieolrplesposed Bills, together with the
The SPEAKER took the Chair at Twelve o'clock.
PRIVATE BILLS.
Sir J. YARI)E BULLER, in the absence of Mr.
Eht uasr,en,
number of days which the Committee on each such Bill
have
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has sat, the names of the Members selected, and the
number of days on which each selected Member has
served on such Committee, number of petitions for Bills
presented in conformity with the sessional orders, num-
ber of petitions for leave to present a petition, number
of petitions referred to the Standing Orders Committee,
number of cases in which the parties were allowed to
proceed with the Bill, number of Bills read a first time,
number of Bills read a second time and committed, and
number of Bills reported.—Ordered.
The Marriages (Ireland) Bill was read a third time
and passed.
The House then went into Committee on the Insol-
vent Debtovs Lill. The compensation clauses were
brought up and agreed to, and the Rouse having re-
sumed, the report was ordered to be brought up on
Monday.
The Arms (Ireland) Bill was read a third time and
passed. of
The report on • the Transfer Property Bill was
brought up and agreed to, and the Bill ordered to be
read a third time on Monday at Twelve O'clock.
The report on the Charitable Donations and Bequests
(Ireland) Bill was also brought up and agreed to, after
several verbal amendments had been made. The Bill
was ordered to be read a third time on Monday at,
Twelve o'clock.

NEW MEMBER.
Lord Villiers, introduced by Mr. G. W. Hope and
Mr. Cripps, appeared at the bar of the House, having
been returned for the borough of Cirencester. The
Noble Lord came to the table, but he was not sworn, as
he had omitted to bring with him the necessary docu-
ments respecting his return. He did not, therefore,
take his seat, but will do so probably on Monday.
The House adjourned at twenty minutes past Twelve
o'clock.

The following is a more full report of the debate in
the House of Lords on Friday, on the Railway Bill.
We were obliged to abridge it for want of space on
Saturday :
On the order of the day for the third reading of the
Railways Bill,
The Bishop of LONDON moved an amendment on
e 6th clause, for the purpose of relieving railway
companies from the obligation of dispatching third-
class carriages on Sundays, Good Fridays, and Christ-
mas-days. He begged their Lordships to understand
that he did not wish to prevent the railway companies
from carrying this class of passengers on the Sabbath.
His only object was to release the Government of this
Christian country from the necessity of enforcing tra-
velling on the Lord's-day.
Lord BROUGHAM said he was one of those who
looked upon every thing which tended to the desecra-
tion of the Sabbath day and the interruption of Sabbath
rest as a great evil, and as a breach of duty—and not
only as not conducive, but as prejudicial to the interests
of the poorer classes, and by that he meant, above all,
the Nvorking classes—(Hear, hear)—but on the other
hand, they ought to take into account one circumstance,
Which was a fact of undeniable truth, that so far from
the Sabbath being less well kept in this country now
than in former times, it was in every way so much better
kept, that there was no foundation whatever for the ex-
travagant and exaggerated zeal that many persons dis-
played who viewed as the great and crying evil of the
present age the desecration of the Sabbath day—(Hear,
hear)—for he must say, that with the exception of that
country which had given him birth, there was not a
country in Europe in which the Sabbath was better kept
than in England.—(Hear, hear.) And if he were called
upon to point out that one place in England where the
greatest improvement in this important particular had
taken place, he should point to that great metropolis in
which they then were.—(Hear, hear.) When he remem-
bered, some fifteen or twenty years ago, the way in
which it was not kept, and saw the great change
which had now taken place, he confessed that to him
the improvement appeared almost marvellous. For
the purpose of having the Sabbath well kept, they must
make the day a favourite with the people—they could
not by legislation go further—for they would always
find in the end that the keeping of the Sabbath mnst be
regarded as a matter of morals and feeling, and not a
thing they could enforce by making the desecration a
punishable offence. That being the nature and condition
of the question, the Parliament ought to take especial care
in all they did, and in all they omitted doing in the
matter, to carry public opinion with their legislation—
(Hear, hear)—and, above all things, they should avoid
anything that might have a tendency to make Sabbath
keeping unpopular.—(Hear, hear.) Extreme puritanical
rigour, and enforcing the keeping of the Sabbath, was
not only bad in principle, and most pernicious in its con-
sequences, but more than anything else tended to frus-
trate the object they had in view, and by making the
people hate the Sabbath, conduced manifestly and
directly to Sabbath desecration.—(Hear, hear.) What
he was anxious for was a just medium between the
ascetic observance of Scotland and the laxity of
Catholic countries in this respect ; and that was
the medium which he thought this country was at-
taining. He wished to see the people attending
their religious duties in the morning, and devoting
the evening to healthful recreation and amusement.

In some respects this was the case in other coun-
tries ; but still, as in Paris for instance, though there
was a marked improvement upon the habitual and sys-
tematic desecration of the Sabbath, which had been in-
troduced at the Revolution, there was yet a disregard
for that day exhibited in the carriage of timber and the
empleyment of persons in their every-day occupations,
which he should be sorry to see introduced here. If the
people went to church in the morning of the Sunday,
what harm could there be in their enjoying themselves
in the evening of that day ? He was a friend to the
maintenance of the sanctity of the Sabbath, and a
great advocate for its reasonable observance. But
could anything be more cruel than to prevent the poorer
classes of Manchester, of Liverpool, and London, who
were cooped up in the dark courts and alleys of those
towns, and in the garrets, cellars, and work-rooms of
Spitalfields, never or scarcely ever seeing the light of the
sun during six days of the week, never breathing the
fresh air during that time—could any thing be more
cruel or unjust, than to interfere to prevent these people
from walking out on the Sunday and enjoying, not the
sight of the sun and the fresh air a little, but a little of
the country also, at an expense they could bear.—
SMe, obaer‘lane or tilt; olintran to go co tacurkai iii
the morning, and in the evening to the country and
the green fields, and, he said, let the people in God's
name enjoy the country, if they could do so on that only
day, and during those few hours of the week in which
they were relieved from the toils of the week. He had
lately come up from Brighton, on one of the finest
mornings he had ever seen.—(A laugh.) He knew not
why the health and amusements of the people should be
made the subject of mirth, instead of one of a question of
fellow-feeling and sympathy.—(Hear, hear.) He had
recently travelled up from Brighton by the railway on
one of the finest Sabbath mornings he had ever seen ; a
train passed at the station where he stopped, and in that
train he saw somewhere about 600 or 70r) persons as
decently dressed as it was possible for them to be, with
their wives and daughters, completely filling the cheap
trains, and upon inquiring he found that they had to pay
4s. each as the fare to Brighton, 4s. to return, and allow-
ing them 4s. to spend there, he found that they thus,
for some 105. or 125., could have the delight of a long
and pleasing journey on the railway through the coun-
try, of seeing the green fields, and inhaling the fresh air
during the journey ; and, more than all, of spending
some three or four hours by the sea side. Could their
Lordships be sensible to the advantages which these
poor people thus derived, after having been pent up
during six days in the heat, the filth, and the darkness
of the streets and courts of London ? For his part, his
(Lord Brougham's) heart leaped within him when he
saw that large body of his fellow-countrymen and coun-
trywomen enjoying so wholesome and salutary, and, at
the same time, so innocent a recreation.—(Hear, hear.)
Innocent it was in the greatest degree, and enjoyed, as
he believed it was, without any of that dissipation and
immorality which, if by law they had been compelled to
remain in town, either by a direct law to keep them in
London, or by placing obstacles in the way of their
going into the country, and by which, instead of spend-
ing the Sabbath soberly, healthfully, and morally, they
would have kept it in the ale-houses or gin palaces which
so plentifully studded this metropolis.—(Hear, hear.)
For these reasons, and being always anxious to see as
little prevention placed in the way of the innocent and
healthful recreations of the poor during the only time
which they could enjoy them, viz., the latter part of the
Sabbath, he trusted that nothing that would interpose
any obstacle to these recreations would meet with their
Lordships' assent.—(Hear, hear.)
Lord MONTEAGLE said that the conduct of the
railway companies in making the accommodation of the
poorer classes as painful as possible, 'rendered it neces-
sary that the Government should be empowered to in-
terfere. He opposed the amendment. The arrange-
ments for keeping the Sunday sacred were in most cases
futile. In the Post-office, the Christian conscience of
the Legislature was strict on Sunday in the metropolis,
but it ceased to exist twelve miles out of town.—(Hear.
hear.) He had found himself an instance where a steam-
boat was prevented from crossing the Severn on a Sun-
day, and yet he was allowed to transfer, from one side
of the river to the other, his carriage, luggage, and
family, by human labour. The amendment of the
Right Reverend Prelate would not interfere with the
travelling of the rich, whilst it would amount to an in-
terdiction of the travelling of the poor. As had been
well said in the other House, the object of the amend-
ment was to indulge Dives and to restrain Lazarus.—
(Hear, hear.) He implored the House not to introduce
such an inequality between their Lordships and their
less fortunate fellow-countrymen.—(Cheers.)
The Earl of WICKLOW supported the amendment.
The Marquis of CLANRICARDE denied that the
clause would compel any railway company to run a
carriage or a train on Sundays. It only compelled them
to carry Lazarus if they chose to carry Dives.—(Hear.)
It would only compel the companies to provide accom-
modation for the poor as well as for the rich.—(Hear.)
The Duke of WELLINGTON suggested that the
discussion should be adjourned, as it appeared to him
that the Bill was not entirely understood by his Noble
Friend (the Earl of Wicklow). No one could desire to
compel the railroad proprietors to run their carriages on
Sundays. All that was desired was, that they should
neither be compelled not prevented from travelling. All
that was desired by this Bill was, that the railroad pro-
prietors should provide carriages of a particular descrip-
tion, and going at a certain rate, for third-class passen-
gers, and now it was proposed that where other persons
travelled on a Sunday, that this class should be pre-
vented from doing so.—(Hear, hear.) , He begged to
submit to' the Right Rev. Prelate one consideration,
which he was sure the Right Rev. Prelate would feel.
There was nothing to prevent persons travelling in third-
class carriages for three or four days together, in which
days a Sunday might intervene. There could, then, be
nothing more unreasonable than to require the third-
class passengers to remain stationary on Sundays, when
the carriages of other classes were going forward.—
(Cheers.) It could not be the intention of the amendment
of the Right Rev. Prelate to do this ; for, in the first
place, persons would by it be put to great expense, that
expense falling upon those not well able to bear it ; and
then he was afraid that it would happen, that at what-
ever place or railroad station those persons might hap-
pen, by his amendment, to be stopped on the Sunday,
that they would not find the means of attending divine
service, because they might not be able to find any place
of religious worship capable of holding them, in addition
to those who regularly attended them.—(Hear.) Under
the circumstances, he thought they ought to adjourn the
discussion till Monday next.
The Earl of WICKL9W explained.
Lord CAMPBELL thought the adjournment unne-
cessary,
for he believed that the Heuse was now pre-