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London, England, 1817-07-12 00:00:00

once est:110141er! th'it spiel and infort4iisite .tIA to bc be-'7
lieetel,' anti the coMpleta impunity of the guilty Will be esta-
blieteti also.—(Hear, joair )—ile wished their testimorte to
be received, Fitt With taa utmost caution, and only when ear-
,
roborated with citlfer•evidence.
Lord CASTLEREAGH; in explanation, read the Reirdn-
tioessaar Linta:;ln's !nil; iii June tele, to admit Mr. alanners,
ash after prtaper,,inquiry, they found nothing to it-indicate his
t. oral cliarattZ:r, or his conduct as a Gentleman.
Mr. BE SaN E l'T blamed the late partition of Earope, and
t bete ansfer of Genoa and Upper Saxony, as acts wisich fu-
ture historians would mark as blots in our annals. He was
tlispoaid to agree with the Noble Lord's declaration that he
had nt t a cruel heal t ; lie would 'not say that he had pasitive-
ly eliestetraged the atrocities enennittad Ireland ; but he
_cuing show persons high in Church arid ‘'aite, who had touts.;
isititaucea them. It that tiov,rnment 'would he t bought
clear of them,_ why until associated Iffiell to those root-
initiee, by makii g -Sir atialkin Fiadgeaald a Baronet,
a nee wlict might to have peelabed on the seattald to e:160 he
had dragged so utatiy•—a man who hail comnaltted the ntost
atriicions crimes, and f& a &fit nee, after hat ing flogged
a !snail individnal in the most
•horrible 'manner, itaiandatttla
.tthat be had tinggeel'undreds, and would do so tigtile'
kittthen quoted the case of a schoolmaster -dogged tlii, h a
'aitWels came out, because a Ft t tech note had beets found with
shim, find Mr. Fitzgerald did nut nenierstand French, After
that itte acious annistanent had been inflicted. the note had
been translated, and foetid to Contain the following words:—
Sir, I ani eatretuelS: sorry not to be able to wait on you at
the bear apeointed, being obliged to atten Sir Lawrence
raisons."---air. Reynolds swore an' oath tone tine to the
Unittd and then betrayed them. kt, was rety
OA liar miglit speak tenth; but, becausejfe was believed
in one instance, did it follow that his character was good ?
aat to Castles, it might be very tens that the Right Hon. Gen-
tlemaia knew nothing of bins, but tt was t:ot true that the
Noble tOrcl, Secretary of State for the Home Department,
kitteie nothing of hint. That Noble Lord did know about
aim, fur he had 6. correspondence about him, and yet, after
all, let hint loose upon the public in Oa way which had been
happily exposed.
Lorct CASTLEREAGH said, that-although the Hon. Mem
ber whit spoke last said he had not Meant to trouble the
House, yet it appeared that he had come down to the House
fully prepared with the materials for his speech. He would
ask the Ht-t. Member (Mr. Bennett) whether he had not
ceived front Fainerty those affidavits which he had read to
the House ? (No reply was made to t his question.) its the
cases ~f Finnerty and of Jones, the facts ware.so notorious,
that it iris hardly necessary for hits, to trespass out the House
by offering any refutatiun of a charge supperted by such evi-
deuce. The scenes In which he was charged with hat keg
been concerned were of a kind so abhorrent to his nature,
—were such as he was so inealsahle of taking any part
in, that it could not be wonderful if charges of such a.
nature Aid not sink very deeply into his /hind. in the
case of 'Yin:witty, it seas nut true that be had been the
nseates of es:tinsel/1g that person front the Expedition to Wal-
eheri•n, antioneh this was imputed to him. In revenge,
hisweeer, for that removal, Finnerty thought fit to libel
Itim, Wort impute to him -the legal murder of a person named
Ore, who bed been tried and cortvieted before Lord Yelverton
in !related. After Finnerty had beets convicted at this libel,
he sent. to him (Lord C.) through an Hun. Officer now in In-
, dia, ielferitne to make a humble submission or apology; but he
(Lard C.) of course declined having aria intetcourse with Fen-
nel ty, Soon after this he understood that Finnerty went to
Ireland, and ensployed the whole summer in collecting extra-
judicial affidavit, from • his old associai ea against him (Lord
('.)—(Hear, hear, bear !)-aFilinerty was a person who had
been souse time ago contacted, not indeed as a traithr, but trai-
terous and for seditious libels, fur which offence he had, par-
seant •to the -sentence of the law, stood in the pillory. He
therefore, declined any apology or intercourse with this per-
sou. The fraits of his leaours. !reliant were upwards of a
handied affidavits; obtained in the way just mentioned;
and with 'these he came, armed as his justification, when
broualit. up fear judgment. When, however, he feed read two
of these aadayits, he was stopped by the Court. Ot those
tree which bad • Ore', read, one accused hien (Lord C.) of
bating, by Ili% own aasolute power, sent a man to Botany.
Ilan. Whet' he understood that such a charge was made
agaiust him, he certainly felt it to lie eery extraordinary,
because he was petit:oly conscious how utterly devoid of
fouedation the charge was. Lair only be considered what
was the situation of a public man who is to be called upon
-to disprove all the slanderous falsehoods which any per-
jured wretches itarY devise.—(Laud'eries of Hear, heart from
all parts ot the iel-ouse.)--And he must really exaiess hi* stir-
prise that the Hon. Memiter who spine last should hold '
Serf:OWse with such persons.—(Hear, bear I)—lthleed, he
might tin vet- have heard of the accusation in the affidavit, were
it not that shortly after it wait read in Ccairt he received a letter
from Lord Bantry, and one troll Captain Sutherland, bath f
whom stated, that they had been members of that Court Mar-
tial of fifteen Officers, who had tried and sentenced the person
in questing) to be transpartrd to Bowe!: Bay. The other
alii-
davrt read in Court 'by Finnerty charged him with hay-
ing been pre•ent at the hilliction of tortures upon certain
unhappy wretches, Fur the purpose of eXtorting evidence from
them. He would co to the farthest extent hi expressing his
abhorrence of the arbitrary iuthetion of torture with tbe view
Qf extorting evidence. As to this charge, be had only to sae,
,
• that he had never in his life" even seen any person flogged,
t xcept in one instance, in hit own 'regiment, at which he had
been by his ditty compelled to be preseut. But these two
affidavits were mile a spec:leasers dragged out of a bundle of
mare thin a haddred such, wleca Finnerty had collected
among !Ili old associates, from whose treasons he might, per-
bape,cliiim soiree merit, in having delii.ered the country,..
(Luna cheering.)
Mr. H. ADDINGTON rose for the .purpose of doing jus-
tice tt.the character of Mr. Oliver, and iii aperspicuous and
able statement, nom:wed the Howe that within the last fort-
night an investigatiou into the character and conduct of
that individual had been made at the Home Department,
before two of the most respectable Magistrates of Niirkshit•e,
And the result of that investigation was a complete conviction
that the insurreetiou did not io any degree originate iq soy
thing said or done by that iad lea:nal-7-i hat he had hi April last,
for the first time. come to tile Home Department, and that he
was furnished with many recommendations (rein many re-
spectable Magistrates—that he asked us reward—that he had
got none—that nothing was them for bier except the paving
of his travelling expellees on the last mission in which he
was employed, from the gad of May to ath thillC, by the ex-
press direction of the Secret C:ommittee. As to Castles, he
bad only to say that his Noble Relative knew nothing of that
individual till January last.
Mr. BARHAM questioned whether the House or the
Country would attach touch importance to the; singular sort
.of tribunal before which Mr. Oliver's conduct and character

were investigated. For his own part it had nu force in his
judgment. He cool() only say, t hat a night Elan. Gentleman,
now no more (Mr. Ponsorilly), told him that he soltainly bc-

lieva that the last insurreciiun would never hare taken place
but for Oliver. _

Lord COI HR said, he did not expect any thing from

this I-louse, constituted as it was. lie tixpressed a conviction
that his Nlajesty's Ministers would ultimately, in order to re-
lieve the Ciiitutry, be compelled to reduce the interest of the
National

Mr. W. SNIITH, with respect to the transaction in Ire-
land which had been above alluded to, said, it was a mistake
to say that the attention of Parliament had not been called
in than at the time. The truth was, that not a Session then
passed during which the attention of Parliament had not
been called, to these proceedings. He then referred to the
puLtlished Report of the Vindication of Judkin Fitagerald,
which he characterized as a must infamous production.
Mr. CANNING said, that the charge which the Hoe. Gen-
tleman had just made was not now brought forward fur the
first time ; it had been on many former occasions advanced,
abd bad as often been distinctly disclaimed by his Noble
Friend. Any use who had witnessed the conduct of the
Ilonourable Gentleman throughout the Session would not he
sueprised at the course he adopted now. He selected his
competitors among the absent and the dead. The living had
proved to him that they could reply, but it might be a
satisfaction to bias to know, that the person he last attacked
was dead. If a distinct charge had been brought against his
Frienth•be would be prepared to answer it ; but in
the present instance it was mixed up with foreign politics
and votton twist, which were the circumstances under which
the transactions of twenty years ago were brought before
Parliament. But, he would ask, front what sources had those
charges emanated ?--from a traitor and a libeller. He did
not mean to say that this should destroy their credibility, but
We:then the farce of i:s operation. If they were to rake up
all the dissentious that had taken place in that afflicted coon-
try, tticre was, perhaps, no crime of which they could not pro-
duce some example; but Government was not to be charged
with tie commission of those crimes, if perpetrated without its
ratioieailee ae knowledge. Sucely,ail rational men mold allow,
• t. hat a 17,eriod Moist at rise when such recollections ought to be
buried to oblivion. What was the situation of his Noble Friend,
and %lint of his accusers ? The latter were safe, in consequence
of an Act of Awn, sty; yet, they did not permit the same oh-
which covered their offences to shield his Noble Friend
from their unjust accusations. Rebellion shook' forgive, bay-
forgiven. Could any man have supposed, from the
notice ?if the present motion, that. it could have been
made the vehicle, of such an attack—au attack which aiwu