The Sun.
London, England, 1844-01-20 00:00:00

was the toast Mr. Barrett spoke to at the ➢iullaghmast
dinner.

The witness hesitated for a:short time, and then re-
plied, " The People."
Mr. M‘DoNouGii—Look to your note of the meeting
held on the 9th of October in Abbey-street.
Witness—l have got it.
Mr. M‘DoNoucx—Enumerate the names of the tra-
versers who were present at that meeting ?—John O'Con-
nell, 1). O'Connell, Mr. Steele, the Rev. Mr. Tyrrell, Dr.
Gray, Mr. Duffy, and Mr. Ray.
Mr. M‘DoNouGH—You have not named Mr. Barrett
—was he there ?—I made a mistake about him on a
former occasion—he was not present.
Mr. Nl'DoNouGH—Then, I presume, he did not speak
there ?-11e did not.
Mr. M4DoNouGn—When you were under examination
by the Solicitor-General he asked you nothing about the
dinner at the Rotunda— was Mr. Barrett there ?—Mr.
Barrett was not there either. I mistook some one else
for him.
I think you stated you took the earliest opportunity
of correcting your mistake ?—I
Where was it?—At the house of Judge Burton.
Were you at the house of Judge Burton at the time
the recognisance was entered into, and did you then
swear your informations?—l saw Mr. Barrett there. I
did not swear my information on that but on a prior oc-
casion. I swore an affidavit that day ; it was an amended
affidavit.

Do I understand you to say you amended the mis-
take with reference to Mr. Barrett by affidavit ?—I
did not.
Were you present on the occasion when the recog-
nizance to bail was subscribed by Mr. Barrett ?—Yes, I
then mended the mistake. I mentioned it to. Mr. Ray
and Mr. Kemmis.
Were they attending for the Crown ?—Mr. Ray is
clerk to Mr. Kemmis.
Did you apprise them of the mistake with respect to
Mr. Barrett ?—I mentioned to them I had a doubt
about having been correct in stating Mr. Barrett was
at the meeting.
Where was this ? On leaving Judge Burton's house.
What did Mr. Kemmis say ?—I can't recollect what
Mr. Kemmis said.
When was this ?—ln Kildare-street.
Before you reached Mr. Kemmis' house ?—Yes.
On the way can you not recollect what Mr. Kemmis
said ?—He made no observation.
Then it was left as it was ?—I mentioned it to Mr.
Ray befbre leaving Judge Burton's house.
t When leavinge room, in the passayi, was Mr. Bar-
rett then in the house ?—He was.
What did you say ?—" I was mistaken in regard to
Mr. Barrett ; I had doubt that he was at the Rotunda,
or at the meeting at Calvert's theatre."
What did Mr. Ray say ?—I do not recollect what
he said.
Did you return to have the error corrected ?—I did
not take any steps further ; I thought it enough to in-
form them of it.
Then it was the mistake as to Mr. Tierney that was
corrected by affidavit ?—Yes I did not correct the mis-
take as to Mr. Barrett ; merely mentioned it.
Did you make that affidavit on the same day with
your original depositions?—No; I corrected the mistake
as to Mr. Tierney the day the parties attended at the
house of Judge Burton.
Then you called attention to the mistake with respect
to Mr. Barrett ? On that occasion.
Cross•exatnine.l by Mr. WHITESIDE, Q.C., on the part
of Mr. Duffy—When did you see the traverser, Mr.
Duffy ?—I saw him at the meeting at Culvert's Theatre.
Did he speak there?—He did.
Was it there he made the eloquent speech, " I beg to
hand in pounds for ?"—(Laughter.)—He
handed in some money.
Had you a distant view of the meeting?—The place
was dusky.
A dark, dusky affair—perhaps, now, you could not
see the platform ?—I saw Mr. Duffy.
You reported fully and faithfully the meeting at Mul-
laghmast ?—I did, to the best of my skill and ability.
Naw, you have seen large meetings before ?—I have.
Do you remember the immense meeting which took
place some years ago in London—l allude to that at
which Dr. Wade attended in his robes, and a small body
of 150,000 people paid a morning visit to Lord Mel-
bourne ?—I was in Parliament-street, and saw Dr. Wade
in his robes. I should say there was more than 100,000,
perhaps 200,000.
Then they really do great things in England as well
as poor Ireland ?—I never saw so large a body of men as
was assembled on that occasion.
Do you attend the debates in the House of Commons?
—Sometimes.
Now, whether were the Irish or English multitudes
best behaved—there was no crushing, you know? —The
people were exceedingly well behaved at Mullaghmast.
In the House of Commons there are a number of ill-
mannered gentlemen, who keep bad hours (Loud
laughter)—now, as I know you are a man of candour,
don't you give the preference for propriety of behaviour
to the Irish people?—They were very well-behaved
when I saw them.
Who did you get the letter of introduction to the At-
torney-General from P—Mr. Gurney.
What is the date of the meeting at Calvert's? I think
3d October—l thought it was the 9th.
Re-examined by the Somerrolt-GENERAL—I saw Mr.
Ray at the meeting and asked him for the documents.
He said he was not the secretary of the meeting. I ap-
plied to him in his character of secretary to the Repeal
Association. He said he was not the secretary of the
Mullaghmast meeting. I saw Mr. Barrett at the Mul-
laghmast meeting. I saw him afterwards when I went
to Judge Burton's to swear my amended affidavit with
respect to the Christian name of the Rev. Mr. Tierney.
I did not expect to see Mr. Barrett there. I knew him
to be the person I saw at Mullaghmast.
The Soucrron-GENERAL—Road the address to which
the speech of Mr. O'Connell at Calvert's theatre, on the
sth, was an answer.
Mr. HATCHELL objected, and submitted that the
Crown had no right to go back to the meetings again.
Hit was necessary, it ought to have been produced on
the direct examination.
The CHIEF JUSTICE said he did not see any objection
to the Solicitor-General reading the address in answer
to the speech.
The witness then proceeded to read the address of
the members and wardens of the Repeal Association of
Manchester to Mr. O'Connell, presented on the 9th of
October.
After the reading of the address was concluded, the
witness was permitted to retire—his examination having
occupied the Court from its sitting to half-past four.
Fleming Mathias Leatham examined by Mr. BENNET,
Q.C.—I know the gentleman who gave evidence last. I
came over to Ireland with him for the purpose of being
his assistant. I was present at the meeting at Mallagh-
mast. I have been engaged in taking notes for the last
ten years. I transcribed Hughes' notes from his dic-
tation ; that was a very long time after the meeting at
Mullaghmast. Hughes took the notes in short hand,
and read them to me, and I transcribed them in long
hand, I know Mr. O'Connell. I have seen him in
London. I took notes at the meeting for my own
amusement, but not full notes ; my sole object was to
assist Mr. Hughes ; he is a particular friend of mine,
and I wished to come over to Ireland and see the country.
I copied some resolutions at the banquet, which were
thrown upon' the table, to the best of my belief, by Mr.
Ray, but I am not certain that it was by Mr. Ray. I
attended a meeting of the Association on the Monday fol-
lowing the Mullaghmast meeting ; that was on Oct. 2.
The witness went on to detail that he had transcribed the
notes of Hughes into long-hand. On his cross-examina-
tion he was asked by one of the traverser's counsel if the
resolutions published in the papers were not similar to
those which he had copied for Hughes? but the At-
torney-Generat refused to let him answer the question,
observing that counsel on the opposite side might identify
the papers in which they were published, and put them
in evidence if they chose.
Mr. FITZGIBBON observed it would be long enough
without adopting such a course, and would, therefore,
withdraw the question.
Charles Ross then appeared on the table, and, having
been sworn, was examined by Sergeant WARREN—He
stated that he was a native of England, resided in Lon-
don, and was a newspaper reporter. Is a short-hand
writei, and has been so for upwards of twenty-years.
Came to this country at the end of August last. Was in
this country before. The first time became here was on
July the 4th. He was not certain ; it might have been
June ; but, at all events, it was the night before_ the Don-
nybrook meeting. On referring to his notes it was on the
`4th of July that he came here ; it was suggested to him
to come over here ; the suggestion was made on the part
of the Government ; witness took notes of Mr. O'Con-
nells's speech at Donnybrook ; has not got that note ;
recollects to have had it about a fortnight afterwards ;
took a transcript of the original note.
Sergeant WARREN (in continuation)—What became
of the original note ? Witness—l carried it with me to
London, and kept it in a drawer. About a fortnight after
I recollect having taken it out, and placed it along with
some other papers, and I fancy that one of my children
—(Laughter)—who had access to the drawer, destroyed
it, but what became of it I have never been able to dis-
cover, though I have searched for it diligently. The
transcript which I took was very correct.
Sergeant WARREN—How soon did you take a tran-
script' of the note? Witness—Next day. Attended the
meeting of Donnybrook. Had a connexion with a news-
paper at the time. I wish to state that fact, as there
were some observations made concerning me which I did
not then notice, because I wished to reserve myself for
this occasion.
Sergeant WARREN—You were quite right. You have
a copy of the speech of Mr. O'Connell at the meeting at
Donnybrook ?—I have.
Sergeant WARREN—Read it, if you please. (The
witness then commenced reading the speech of Mr.
O'Connell :—" What a glorious sight is here 1 I have
seen many mighty assemblies, but never such a one as
this. It is impossible for me to have more power, for I
have enough,' &c.
The witness still continued to read Mr. O'Connell's
speech at the Donnybrook meeting, those parts exciting
great merriment in the Court which referred to the
cheapness of tea, sugar, and tobacco, and the hilarity it
would produce among the families of the poor.
Sergeant WARREN, to witness—Have you formed any
opinion as to the numbers present at the meeting ?—I
estimated the numbers at about 40,000.
Sergeant WARREN—Where were you placed ?—On
the scaffold.—(Universal laughter.) I mean I was on
the platform. The people came in procession with the
band. A great number of flags were exhibited. I saw
Mr. O'Connell as he approached. There was great con-
fusion at the time. I cannot recollect how long the
people remained on the grounds—it might be two hours.
I remained in Ireland the next day, and returned again
at the end of August last. I saw Mr. John O'Connell
at the meeting, but do not recollect seeing any other of
the traversers. I attended no meeting of the Associa-
tion in July, but did shortly after my return on the
28th of August. Ido not recollect who was in the