The Sun.
London, England, 1821-05-17 00:00:00

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on the opposite side, who calling- for inquiry, at
once pronounced . that murders .had
,been com-
mitted, 'when, so far as inquiry had as yet gone,
no murders had been provech This was not well
from those who were se clamorous on the subject'
of the thatik's which they. thought had been pre-
maturely given to the Magistrates. I.tshould
seem,-that while they-complained of Precipita
thin on the part of others, they claimed for them--
selVes an exclusiVe right to prejudge the.merits
of the question.—Mr.Scla LETT explained. •
Mr. S. WO RTLEY said, that in the language
contained in the Resolutions come to at. the York
and County 'Meetings, he thought his Hon.
Friends who *differed from him on that occasion
had riot prejudiced that question. The Hon.
and Learned Gentleman (Mr. Scarlett) had in
his opiniOn cleared Ministers and the Magistratys
of that which had been charged against them.
He had certainly -imputed blaMe to the yeomanry,
but the ordinary Courts of Law, he must con-
tend, were the proper tribunals before which
that questien ought to be tried, and the fact that
it had not been brought before these, satisfied his
mind that the complaining: parties had n 9 good
case to make out.
Lord MILToN observed, that the explanation
of his, Hon. Colleague as to the York County
Meeting, rendered any observations from him on
the subject unnecessary.
Sir FRANCIS I.IIIRIjETT then rose to reply. He
contended that the case remained as it was when
he introduced it. .His Majesty's Ministers, in-
stead of lending themselves to inquiry, indulged
in 'invectives against the people'of
(Hear, hear !)--L.lf this House was not. the proper
place.for inquiry, then could inquiry be had no-
where else. The question here was a great Con-
stitutional-one not a contest amongst indivi-
duals. This Meeting was riot to be viewed
alone, but in connexion with the other Meetings
of the same _kind which took place, and with re-
ference to which all of them had in view, namely,
a Constitutional Reform in this House. The ques-
tion was, whether the people of England must be
allowed to meet and peaceably -pursue the. at-
tainment of that object ?—(Hear, hear o—The
Noble Lord had not told the House whether the
Military were sanctioned by the Magistrates or
not.. Neither had they cleared themselves from
the imputation that the dispersion of the meeting
was premeditated, and that the whole was.don6
under their Saticticrm The Noble Lord- had said
the House did not know what instructions the
military acted under—it was . true the House did
not ; but vas not the inquiry material, mid ought
not theilouse to be' put in possession ofthe fact ?
(Hear.)—The motion was not brought on too late ;
for only
‘just time enough had elapsed, since the
fatal occurrence, to strip it of the false aPPear-.
ances which were given to it. It was never
proved yet that the Manchester Meeting was
legal. The trial at York. did not prove it—in-
deed, the acquittal of some of the parties charged
with attending it, would seem to,proVe the re-
verse.- The Noble Lord had not gone the'length
of the Honourable Member for Newcastle,un-
juluesrt-ilcie.
ne, who juAified the killing of the people,
by saying -it was done upon an extended scale of

Mr. Wir,moT, from the gallery, here called
the Hon. Baronet to order, and .appealed to the
Chair against a false construction being put upon
words which hd used in an• early part of the de-
bate. What. he meant to say. was, that if persons
suffered in consequence of an effort of the Magis-
trates to do their. duty, it was much to he-re-
gretted; but.he thought, at the same time, that
there. was. a- great justification to be found for. the
Nlagistrates, in. the obligation which they
.felt of
doiu that duty—(Hear.) •' -
Sir F. BUIIDETi was glad to hear the ion.
Member explain, and would not represent him in
worse calours.than those be chose to appear in
him Self. He had, thought, however, that he (Mr.
WO' carried -the doctrine of justification farther
than any other-Meinber, and it was only for that
reason he 'bade_ allusion to his words. He
observed, the Noble Lord had confidently
anticipated ' the issue of the' 'motion, :frohi
a House of CoMmons constituted • as that
was. Of course, it was not his (Sir F. IL's) bu-
siness,.to_ quarrel with the anticipations of the
Noble Lord; for no. limn 'was a better judge in
these 'matters', or could calculate upon and know
the exact Strebgth, not only of an 'English, bot
also of an Irish House of Commons—(Hear
than the Noble Lord. He (Sir Y.) would leave
the Ntible Lord all the gratification whiCh he'ex-
pected from the result ; and seeing how, happy
the Noble Lord and the .House (in defiance of.
pe.ople out of doors) were in each other's corn-
pally, he would pay them- no more compliment's.-
Ttie Nellie Lord might think that House an or-
nament to the country, as it was useful to him,
but he (Sir F.) knew that it was a House
cious to the country.—(Loud cries 'of Order!)
The SPEAKER rose to call the. Hon. Baronet to
order. .It was,Onnecessary to repeat his words;
hot his own reflection must teach him that -the
expressions which he used were disorderly in the
last degree.—(Hear!)

Sir ‘.BURDETT bowed to the Chair, and
asked pardon for expressions which had escaped
him in the warmth 'of the moment. He then
contended, that the best rights of the people
,were infringed, and said that so long as lie-hadla.
seat in that tions,e, he would never be satistiod
until some inquiry was had into the circumstances
attendiricr' this most' disgraceful violation of the
laws' of tire country.----(liear, hear !)' • •
The House divided, when there•were:--- • ;
For the question - . - - - ' 111
Against it - - - .235
.Majority ngainst the Motion
The' other Orders of the Day were then 'disposed of and the
House adjourned at nearly THREE o'CLocx this Morning,