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into which a State might enter was of great importance to the
creditor, but it was of still greater importance to the State itself,
and he was delighted to think that in return for what they had
received from America, this passage would cross the At-
lantic, and be wafted over the same waves to that
country, in which it appeared that precisely the same
views were not taken of that important duty.—(Laughter.)
As the advocate of American interests for the last 30 or 40
years—an advocacy which had exposed him to more hostility
than M. Guizot in pari materia had had to undergo—he hoped
this friendly rem' nstrance would hese some effect on his
clients, as they used to be called. Ile declared it was far more
with a view to their character and credit, it was, far ma, - with
a view to the character of republican institutions that he said this.
It was more for their interests than for the debt owing by rich
men to poor one:, for that seemed to bathe e Ise ; the 1,,
States said in effect, we are rich, our coffers are loaded with
money, yet we are determined not to pay our debts. It ea., for •
the sate of America herself that he slid this, far more than far
any party in England to whom the debt was owed, and with
whom, indeed, he had ne aeqttaintauce, with one ex- ,
ceittion, anti he was very well able to plead his '
own case.—( Great laughter.) He would re late to their
Lordships an anecdote which would illustrate this '
better than a long speech. He was lately in the neigh-
bourhood of one of tho'e great works carrying on in the centre
of France—the railway thateNtie to join Paris with Orleans.
On asking who the werkthen were, he was told they were
English and Irish. He asked if they found the Englishmen
sober? Ile reply was, not at' all. tie then asked how they
found the Irish? They said ttey were excellent eeople when
they didn't fight. He saieL this si as very painful, that he
could never hear of Irishmen but that they were quarrelsome,
nor of Englishmen but that they were drunkards. Alas said
his informant, I am from Philadelphia, and at present an
American is ashamed to avow his country. He could hardly
think of a circumstance better calcul tied to sink deep into the
spirit of the Americans, and rouse them to a sense of their
duty. They would then find that, even putting it on no higher
groUnd than on that of interest on both sides of the Atlantic,
honesty was the best policy.
The Marquis of NORMANIIY said he Brent-lit the Noble
Lord had misunderstood him in what he had stated with re:.
ference to the relation between landlord and tenant in Ireland.
Lord BROUGHAM briefly explait.ed, and
The Marquis of CLANRICARDE said he could not take so
cheerful a view of the speech as the Noble Lord who spoke
last. But, unfortunately, it had been said, that the speech
contained nothing but topics for congratulation. That was
because the mast important topic to be considered had been in
the speech passed over with slight observation. He alluded to
the state of Ireland. With respect to the affairs of Stride
the speech was also well and wisely worded, and
called for no observation. It would be necessary to
look closer into the papers that had been furnished
before coming to an opinion. lie perfectly agreed that, with
regard to the trials now pending in Ireland, it would be in a
high degnee improper for any direct opinion to be expressed
with regavd to them. But this he must say, that in the
speeches nu ide 'a
-night, and the speech made from the Thron-
itself, the fa:alit he had to find was this—that they looked at
these trials as if they were the oily or main po'nts of what
was, in gener, 1 parlance, called the Irish question. The It ish
question die not consis! of a struggle between the Government
and the Repeal :association—the question was, how to improve
and develope the resources of the country; and hoc to bring it
into that. happy stitte, in which it was the duty of a. Government
to bring every portjau of her Majesty's subjects. He told them,
and it was his duty- to tell them plainly, that Ireland had listened
tao long to such lenge:age to be satisfied now with such assurance..
But that was, as their' Lordships knew, most vague language
Could they expect its the present state of Ireland, he did not
mean in regard to any particular associations, but the state of
Ireland in the large sense of the word—the condition of the
people, the condition of the public mind,—di.l they suppose
by such phrases as these, he eend, that they would really ame-
liorate the condition of the comntry ? The people of Ireland
would naturally ask by what men ns were these resources to be
developed? He (the Marquis of Clanricarde) had unfortu-
nately learned from the speech of her ellajesty, and from the
speech of the Noble Mover of the address, that. the Government
had not in contemplation any measure whatever for the good
of Ireland during the present session. The only measure
which had been alluded to was that. of the electoral traechise.
'That was a gravel subject, and one ythich requited the greatest
consideration, but it was a measure which related only to poli-
tical liberty, but had nothing whatever to do with developiea'
the resources of It eland, and the immediate condition of the
country. Another nteasure had been likewise alluded to in the
royal speech. He meant the _Landlord and Tenant Com-
mission.

A Nosiest Loan—That is not the Commission.
The Marquis of CLA NRICA RDEe---Yes, that was the name
which had been given to it in the public newspapers, and that
was the name which its nature entitled ' it to. On that Corn.
mission he held very strong opinions.. He thought it was
the most mischievous and pitiable contrivance that ever a per.
olexed Ministry had recourse to. His Conviction was, that
the Government had recourse to It as a mere clap-trap for de.
laying the moment of difficulty, and to save them from looking
in the face the real grievances with which the country was
afflicted. The Commission had its origin in the agitation in
this country and in Ireland regarding the fixity of tenure.
Until that phrase came into common use there was
not a word about a Landlord and Tenant Com-
mission. He would like to know what good this com-
mission would effect. All the information regarding the laws
of landlord and tenant, and their operations, would be found
in their statutes and in their blue books. There was an
inquisitorial system practised by this Commission, which could
not be too jealously watched, nor too strongly declaimed
against. There were branch committees connected with this
Cuiemission, which instituted the most rigid inquires of the
landholders, and if landlord or tenant refesed to answer their
queries, they were pointed out to their neighbours in a manner
which, in the present state of some Irish districts, must be any
thing but sate or proper. He thought the Irish landlords had
been most unjustly censured, and if inquiries were made into
their conduct, they would not be found worse than any other
class of persona, placed under the same cireumstaimes. The
misery of the people, which had been caused by centuries of
misgovernment was most ungenerously and most unfairly
thrown upon the landlords. It did not require the Queen's
Commission to take away civil bill process, or to specify how
distraint should be made. It was in this respect perfectly
absurd, but it was dangerous, inasmuch as it seemed to in-
terfere with the right of property and many districts which
had been peaceable before the Commission was issued, have
since then been disturbed by outrages of the moat serious de-
scription.—( Hear, hear.) It was not quite right that Par-.
liament should be left ignorant upon these subjects. He by
no means blamed the Government, although, in doing their
best to put down outrage, they had mot taken the course which
he might have considered :he most wise. There were great
questions which the Government must take up, and if not Par-
liament must take up, or it could never receive the confidence
or the affection of the Irish people.
Earl FITZWILLIAM said that he found a great dis-
crepancy between the words used in her ,Majesty's speech, in
reference to the Landlord and Tenant Commission, and thelan-
guage of the document itself by which the Commission was ap-
pointed. He begged to ask the Noble Earl at the head of that
Commi sum on which of the authorities he might rely for the
objects of the inquiry?
The Earl of DEVON was understood to say that he did not
perceive the discrepancy.
The Marqeis of CL A:NRICARDE said that the very terms
in which the Commission was issued showed that it was* eon-
i-ession to agitation, made by thus. who pretended to despise
agitation.z.-( Hear, hear.)
Lord CAMPBELL did not rise to disturb the unanimity
with which the House seemed disposed to receive the address;
although there were many topics to which he was inclined to
advert in relation to the perilous state of the country at this
momeot. He would abstain at present from observing upon
the manner in which the State trials in Dublin were insti-
tined and conducted, but he thought it was necessary to refer
to the subject, and to intimate that he might think it his
Lto ordships'
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discouraging. On termer occasion., it was usual, in the
speech from the Throua, when improvements of the law were
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mprovemest of the imutemplared, to state what those inaprov. menus were. Last
session, a Bill was introduced for the i
Ec-
clesiastical Courts, and another for the improvement of County
Courts, and these were dropped. He .supposed that if there
had been any intention to bring forward any of those measures
they would he mentionel in the speech. Hotsever, the eeeeess
of 1642, and that of 1613, were full of promises which the
session did not realise. It might be the reverse in the present
session, which might be one of performance, although it corn.
menced witlioat premise.--( Laughter.) The Noble Earl who
moved the adds, ss, had expressed a hope that something wo rid
be done to put down the mischievous practica of'doelling. He
( Lord Campbell) must infer from that remark, that the Noble
Earl had received an intimation that the Government inte.ided
to bring in a ruin upon the subject after the conclusion of the
State trials in Ireland.—( Laughter. )
The LORD CHANCELLt sit ssid that it was his intention
early in the tires nt session to renew the Bill for the Improve-
ment of Ecclesiastics; Courts, and a Bill for facilitating the re-
covery of small debts. A Bill would a:so be introduced for the
compensation of those who had been effected by the alterations
in the Court of Chancery, but he was not aware of any inten-
tion to introduce a uteasule relative to duelling.
Lord BROUSS;IIAM said that his Noble Friend seemed to
be disappointed at the oerforrnanees of the Government falling
short of their promise, but he would find that in this session the
performance would sexy greatly exceed their promises.
Lord CAMPBELL—That may easily be—the promises are
none.--i( A laugh.)
Lord BROUGHAM said nothing could be more gratifying.
• Lord BROUGHAM said he must protest against sine ob-
servation which had been made by his Noble arid Learned
Friend (Lord Campbell), who said—in a parenthesis—that the
Bankruptcy Act of tise session before last had been a complete
failure. There never was an act which had heen more com-
pletely suecessful.--(Laughter). lie ventured to make that
statement in answer to the Noble Lord's observation.,

Lord CAMPBELL.—There never was an Act which
proved a more utter failure.—( Renewed laughter.)
Lord BROUGHAM.—If you make a motion upon it, we
shall see.—( Cries of *1 Order.")
The address was then agreed to.
On the motion of the Duke of WELLINGTON the Earl of
Shaftesbury was reappointed Chairman of Committees.

Their ardships then Adjourned. at Eight o'clock.

HHUSE t COMMONS. Feb. 1.

.„,
The SPEAKER entered the House at a quarter efore Two
o'Clock, at which time about- tWo 'hundre Members were
present. Shortly after two, Sir Autistus Clifford, the Usher
of the frack Rod, summoned the Members,to the bar of the
House of Lords, by command of her Majesty.
The Speaker, accompanied by the greater part of those pre.
sent, then left the House, and returned after an absence of
about '2O minutes.
The House then adjourned to a Quarter before Four o'Clock,

The House resumed at a Quarter before Four o'Clock.
NEW MEMBERS.
The following gentlemen took the oaths and their seats as
new Menilyrs : H. Warburton, for Kendal ; Campbell,
for Salisbury ; James Patti.on, for the City of London ; Dun-
cad M'Neil, for Are.vllshire ; ;'. Butler, for Kilkenny.

HANKS OF THE HOUSE.
The SPEAK ER inforu,d the House that he had received
letters of acknowledgment of the thanks of the House voted to
the officers and army engaged in the war in China. The
letters were from Msjor- General Parker and Sir Hugh Gough,
and were respectively dated from Hong-Kong.
ELECTION PETITION.
The SPEAKER informed the House that the sureties given
for the prosecution of the petition against the return for the
borough of Athlone, were aNEWpproved of.
WRITS.

the motion of Sir T. Fit EMANTLE, new writs were
ortlered for North Wiltshire. in the room of Sir Francis Bur-
dett, Hart., decea-ed; and for the borough of Devises, in the
room of G. H. Soth( rton, Esq., tlecea:ed.
NOTICES OF MOTION.—SINDE
_ _ _

Lord A `II,EY gave notice that on the 7th of February,
he would move that an humble address he presented to her
Mzjesty, praying that her Majesty would be graciously pleased
to take intn her consideration the situation and treatment of
the Ameers of Sinde, and directing their immediate restora-
tion to liberty and the enjoyment of their estates ; also a notice
of motion for the lsth of February, for the appointment of a
Select Comraitte, to conside.. to state 4.,f Luc
z..ffordecl to the ,icic poor.
S lATE OF IRELAND. •
_

- Lord J ELL gate uotice that he would move,
OP the 13th of February, that the Holm resolve itvtif into a