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Wickiteen), towards the close of tbe debate on Friday, in
taile4 °ther gentlemen to join him in excluding cc"' •
eatte_ras from the clause; said, and said very truly,
eetoeeedoption of this suggestion need not bind any
iletorPeort the particular proposal of his lion. Friend,
to Neise It motion was successful, it would be within
t'etepn of those who might suppert bins to make
thererilinsition they might think fit, as an amendment to
entitle- Gtee rinnent. I sin sure the Noble Lord will not
kte /seer Maj sty's. Government from the same privilege:.
"ee di. e Lord made a successful appecl to those who
et/ Pesee to support the motion of his Hon. Friend,
lthe "en assure the Noble Lord that there are others
not be influenced by it.—(Laughter.) For
ketieeon lkee of giving the House the opportiniity of re
fr
the subject, and saying whether there is
•• nit the in the reasons which I have given to-night
'leete ad°Pting the propositien of my Hon. Friend,
▪ dut'e proposition is brought ferward for reducing
eel 'to 205.. I shall move that the duty be 24s I
Leone athat pro Position, not merely because it is
%etve welch I approve of as preferable for the pre-
'
Wtke,interests of the country, but because I thinit
e "wise to carry any further alteration this year.
leet:,lsider that it is of importance that the countries
''iltseit'g.sllgar, cast of the Cape, should know what
loon Will be taken in the course of the ensuing
trtleo regarding the sugar duties. We de not intend
te..4r P°se, at any time,' the admission of slave-labour
tel the same fo,eine as we propose to admit sugar
4ftil)"l• ee of free labour.—(Hear.) It may be said,
telprol don't you abandon your measure altogether
%likeePese the continuance of existing ditties until the
„17e r.
1. °d, or until some period in the course of the next
will state to the house why I do not adopt that
eative• Suppose we did altogether adopt that
t,‘",-during the next sesssion, if `we were entrusted
Pee e 1
e Government, it might be our duty to make a
ier°3llo
2kll
ourse dO, the subject of sugars. That proposition
;t c involve the admission of tree-labour
‘%tee might involve a considerable reduction of duty,
LtlltresLY were proposed on British colonial sugar, and a
Neratling reduction on sugar the produce of free
etice. (Rear.) But observe, if there were no previous
iiiltwen, and if you still required certificates of (Ne-
e coliditi
ittNitio • on of free-labour sugar—observe, I say,
Nthe _ rl in which we would be placed in approach-
tseonsideration of the sugar duties, without any
• kite notice or any previous steps being taken by
ieait• (At this moment there was considerable
Net the House. The Right Hon. Baronet waited a
L'lee-heand then finding it did not subside, said he
steps Tight be able to obtain silence whilst he stated
bltile Government inteetled to pursue. After a
thevk e-ents, silence having been restored, the Right
LeeettPnet proceeded,) If they merely continued
Ott ag sugar deities until next year, and then pro-
07,,eseitieelli. with *the general question Of the sugar
td. 'leap ,at leosition would they be ?—(lronical cries
eele ' eear," from Lord Howick.) I know the
held would be relieved from difficulty, because he
to sugar indiscriminately from all countries ;
7 WhO entertain a distinction between the
• te`'SeB—foreign sugar, free labour and slave
11-lve
should • have to consider between
• alternatives, either to reduce the duty on British
tteelsilear to a considerable extent, and in that case
Vateenet we should be doing—we should, in effect,
tis"sein" a monopoly in the British market for
ei
iLt fa, sugar for several months ; for we should
Nee' certificates of origin before we could admit
sugar (II ar ) Let us assume that we pro-
-44-eiictio Britishe. colonial sugar, amounting to
kkk„ilktitsilloinli,lilgr:—unless we could open some source of
the British colonial producers would have a
Iteliate M the British market, and the reduced amount
i'liVewould have no effect whatever in creating cog-
P',.tee"'"(Rear hear.) If we took another course—if
ttrllt the ,
db. course, to enable our competitors to
Obi 0-, 7 On
-U sepply we must make the reduction of the
ritish sugar take effect from a certain day,
'4141 months from that period. Consequently,
p
eked,•
causes would lie open to all the objections
at present urge. The motion of my Hon.
tail tied a definite day or a definite duty, but the
ZteeZereduced the amount of duty the greater was
kPPIy to derange the market and to reduce the
eese (Hear.) On that ground lam not inclined to
le a contintrince of the
thepresnt sugar duties, a.nd
'he it ie • •• the general policy
ete \vowel inter.ere w
444 v n Pr‘V()se to pursue respecting the sugar duties.
t4'itteserw stated to- the House as fully as is necessary,
etiti aTly as I could, the course which the Govern-
. le ri-aes to and the motives which influenced
4ibileaking pursue, and
proposal. lam not, I cannot be in-
tq the position in which the Government has
mid te late placed—(The Right Hon Baronet here,
'leJleting Many parts of the remainder of his speech,
so heard
tone of voice as to be frequently but
tlthltielneht„l3e. heard in the ller)—nor to the difficulties
he''es occurred ingeth progress of legislation.—
e""li 'r.) I cannot belpe feeling that we have pro-
4,ttlete esaeleres in the course of the last and during the
e ession in respect to which that progress has
ter eell,lleade which is e thought might have been made,
rY h`eav not having been made, leaves us, I own, in a
to 'lll4lellviabl n —(Hear, hear.) I will not
e position.—(Hear, .
0-) impute blame to the House, but cannot help
et, pre, at fear we must contemplate, at the close of
ieesent session, the same result as at the closehieohf
eitvesession.—(Hear, hear.) Those measurest_we
in-
he,Proposed—measures connected with h
eN:ttie_,"neY of the kingdom—have not been suc-
Q,
NseeHear, hear.) With respect to some of
tleetn ht, have not received that cordial support,
had eahee approbation from some of those Hon. Gen-
" e° usually support the Government, which we
ttaktj` ltduced to expect, and for whose opinion and
14 We entertain the highest respect.—(Hear.)
th'-telleen,ti, to say, speaking with perfect candour, thatt
te:llter"' look for that co-operation and support oeanl
ot'ellt occasion by holding out expectations of
They
ilterel° the measure which we have proposed. .
Cf.; we believe to be good, and we must not with-
elloter4apit. If tl measure does not entitle us to the-
Mleembers who usually vote for the
ee"tieeee"e we deeply regret th. e
.forf.eit.ure of that
slee, ' We did not expect indiscriminate or ser-
feclrt, but only such as would enable us to ad-
et;4ll the course of useful legislation.—(Hear, heasrt.).
been to maintain and protect the exi
115},illtieeen4tri3tliatiOaess of the country, and, at the same time,
eet teal such improvements as are compatible with
41, rie;ntenance necessary for the purpose of
w: the welfare and tranquillity of the commu-
et Deehave recorded our desire to relax the system
to et
and prohibition, and allow moderate com-
tieti' ettepetween -domestic and foreign. produce. We
seleted, to reconcile the introduction of prierh-
lt)t?..r eeell We believe to be founded on truth with
(llecte'eesere for existing interests, and every precaution
liet embarrassment and undue apprehension.---:
it'14%.8„,4er) We feel it necessary to repeal some of
!lerrtess-Luch preceding Parliaments had passed, and
e,ltWee measure of reformation regarding the Ec-
oeiZe:rbeourts (Hear, hear.) Her Majesty's Go-
ke, ria- ave bee.: defeated upon that question ;it may
el,,'lN'every simple and isolated one ; but we cons,idfere
NI; Oppi 1 of great importance.—(" Hear, hear,
',tate su°sition.) I repeat, we cannot pretend.. cr o nm-
t,43,e,
tee
by receding from the proposition si't•e have
et tee wish to speak with perfect candour—l deeply
(ei',Nll •at
we have forfeited the confidence of those who
e ••'' give us their support ; but I cannot ask you
e)tht, ttey I° the Tory benches) to vote for us to-
e, tee encouraging expectations which we are
art hate pared to realize. For the course which
lre cite eltherto taken with respect to the gradual, safe,_s
'l'll'4l oa,,kisPect relaxation of those duties on articles
leis"e into competition with the domestic produce
eele,
di sea „reel,e, we cannot say that
norwe entertain any
tfil! reit- regret or of repentance, l any conversion to
l),rinciples. We are prepare( to nth) ide by the
R)it'„" De' leave puree. e—we will continue profess the
11"'Illee and to proceed in the samie course of
'neroveinent, and this I feel oblige( to declare
when important consequences may be the
G;;;,1-IN 'R)USSELL rose and said—The Right
e,'Weeeelean has brought under the consideration of
41'0 11-" (ether and far different topics from that imme-
te'le'Ye iteee'e discussion.' The Right Hon. Baronet has
letee e,(-ttnerlis and discussion. upon subjects of deep
rhofore 'es*, aryl from which, being so invited, Ican -
What
t(l.‘ilte`itrir entering int.,.—(Hear, hear.)
th 4,, the IT ion. Gentleman proposes in the
.Tiestion be-
teillie,„lneetise is simply to reverse the decision of Fri-
h'); cries of " lime, hear.") It was said
t9l:)„,e that, according to the statement of my
e l'eeend, it was competent, according to thea
01.. 41 of
House to move an amendment or elle. -
1e
treriteerns of house,
proposition of the Hon. Member
th ° ; but it does so happen that the change
( fl'it*
,111 actually proposed is neither more or. less than. to
tie , eamajority,
h -37 a the decision of Friday night.—
e, re) The proposal is, that the presentstighaer
nee far lae as colonial sugar is concerned, shallt
41141 N--that all the duties on foreign sugar, least
°II that the Produce of slave labour, be continued ;
Brogert6l,ar own proposition, a duty of 34.5. per cwt.,
the ~t 1 et, "e produce of free labour, be contedrrha,t
tic] qou et, the very proposal which was placed
before
tatri egaln" Friday night, and which the House de-
ete test. I must say, although it is not for me to
th aerie ge conduct of the Right Hon. Gentleman at
tleat harec'f the Government towards his supporters,
it imposed
terms were never, in my opinion,
2l'ealein,ister —(Loud cheers from the O.pposition.)
411 Int Me. that, according to the proposition of the
e ice ce-"; Gentleman, no measure of Government or
which
tiktves feeaftl'i be laid before the Legislature
tit, les.i'e Prepared to say, e Let us, as thuepeGnovern-
‘le,:(l-or7ae prepared
proposition—it is your duty to accede to
17('3it.-c,' Cheers and cries of " Hear, hear,' from the
Itben-,1),,' and partial cries of " Hear, hear," from the.
%reel feens.) And, if b any chance in taking our
ee"",tra-band independentyview of the interests of the
eeieellvo,,,e°ll come to a conclusion different to that at
lieL'heeirerriee, we will ask you then to retrace your steps.lrot
heee ''' and" Hear " from the same quarters.)
iqrsit°rt, affirm what you deny, and deny what
te'4ecl n, and exhibit yourself to the country as a de-
-11-: of i4l disgraced body' of men."—(Loud cheers and
Wear.) That is the proposition of the Right
eq. not 4ereeti and that is the proposition to which II
eves VPared to agree.—(Elear, hear.) I cannot, „lee
(e,„'eal eounted one of those who have been the
te;llgetc,"'Pporters of the present Government,—
te-ine -1%) am not one of those ho enjoy that
tit,Z .sVs---(llenewed lauehter)--and it is not likely
th„Jeet. It,be eompelled change my course on this
the Gee is for those who have been the supporters of
ey errim
oft aremeat to consider whether, on any subject,
th Pre a
te,„ v.l) red to surrender their will to the dictation
t Hon. Baronet. And be it remembered,
ti thecb ane• direct or long cherished principles
Y are I
14 or th ea led upon to sanction—not in confirma-
iee PlaceZhe, principles upon which they acted when
14 Dritle; ,"n in office, and supplanted his predecessors,
e 'Pies
-eied itut the reverse of these.—(Hear,
hear.)
aba t-)11. Gentleman now showed them how they
Mon those doctrines to which they pledged