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London, England, 1819-03-23 00:00:00

THURSDAY, MARCH ii .

Mr.CattawSmYrst,who was the first witness exa.-
mined, deposed, that he was a practising Barrister
at the Irish Bar for 16' years. On the 21st of
September last he called upon Mr. Quin, in com-
pliance with the request of the Petitioner and his
father, in order to know from Mr. Quin what were
his intentions with respect to the disposal of the
Clerkship of the Peace for the County of Lime-
rick ? Mr. Quin stated that his mind was made
up, that this office was to be transferred from the
petitioner to Mr. Richard Smith. Witness alluded
(o an engagement which he understood that Mr.
Q. had made with Petitioner not to disturb him
in Iris office. Mr. Q. denied any promise, but ad-
mitted that he. said to Petitioner, " upon my
honour, Grady, I should he very sorry to tom
you out of your office," adding, " I assure you,
Mr. Smyth, I am now very sorry to do it, but I
must do it." Mi. Q. further observed that he
was advised he could appoint. Mr. Smyth doritmg
pleasure, and that he meant to have 2001.. a year
,out
of the 4001;which the office yielded settled upon the
Petitioner, " hot.," said Mr. Q. " 1 expect in return
that Mr.,G.,and his family should remain politically
united with me in the county of Limerick."—
Witness to this expressed some disapprobatioo,
" not," said.be, " 1 believe by words, but by a
[notion of my head." Mr. Q. then said, " I am
sure you must he satisfied that time proposition
make is reasonable, for I should have a quid pro
quo for the grant I give Mr. Grady, and you are
aware that this is all the patronage belonging to
the office of Custos Rotulorum, which 1 have
lately obtained." Witness asked how far this
pledge of support was to be carried, " because,''
said he, " you most be aware. Mr. Q., that as.,
your father,. Lord Mount Earle, is advanced in
years, you are likely soon to be called to the
Upper House, and do you mean in that case to
have the influence of Mr. Grady and family trans-
ferred to any Candidate whoM you choose to sup-
port ?" to which Mr. Q. replied, '' certainly.'
Witness•then observed, that as much misunder-
standing had arisen as to the cons mtrnications which
had taken .place between Mr. Q. and other-Gen-
tlemen on this subject, it would be satisfactory:to
have this conversation reduced to writing. Mr,Q.
expressed his acquiescence,. and he looked about
the room, but there was no writing apparatus in
it. Here the witness stated that: this conversa-
tion took place sit the country house of Mr. Goold,
within three miles of Dublin. Mr. Q. then said,
" I shall be in Dublin to*morrow at three o'clock,.
and if • you will be so good as to commit, it to
writing when you go home, I shall call upon you
then and look over it with you."—Witness said,
that never thinking he should be called upon in
this public way, he took no. other note of this,
conversation than afterwards appears, nor. dirt, lie
keep any copy of letters written•by him with re-
gard to .this transaction. Witness• wrote an ac-.
count of this conversation to both the Petitioner
and his 'father, on the evening of the day on
which it took place, and these letters being sheyyo
he recognized them. Ott the.morniog of the,,2241
of September witness again saw Mr. Q. in company
witit Mr. Goold. They called at his house at 1 I
o'clock in time morning. Mr.,Q, asked, on enter-
ing his room, " Smyth, have you reduced our
conversation to writing ?"—to which witness an-
swered in the negative, observing that he did not
expect Mr. Q; until three o'clock, and that if Mr...
Q. would sit down he would immediately write
down the conversation. Mr. Q said, that as he
was going to the Lord Lieutenant's audience, he ;
could not wait—but Mr. Q. expressing a desire to
have the conversation repeated, witness did so,
and Mr. Q declared the repetition to be perfectly
correct. Witness immediately afterwards sent
the Minute of the conversation to Mr. Goold, and
?4r. Q. accompanied by Mr. G. Called again upon
witness between three anti four o'clock, with that
minute, which Mr. Q. declared to he correct,
only requiring a slight alteration, which was made
accordingly. But upo9 witness saying"to Mr..Q.'
" you can have now no objection to sign-
ing it," Mr. Goold interposed, " I think it
right to apprise yon, that I have advised Mr.
Quin not to sign that paper, for you must
see that it contains something relating to the dis-
posal of the profits of an office connected with the
administration of jastice, which I think it right -a
Member of Parliament should not sign, but I ant
ready at any time to come forward and testify
that Mr•. Quin in my presence acknowledged it to
be correct." Witness added,. that on the first
visit of Mr. Q. to his house on the 22d.Septem-
her, Mr. Q. withdrew his proposition that the
Petitioner and his family should be celled upon
to vote for any Candidate whom he (Mr. Q )
might think proper to support in the event of his
accession to the Peerage.—(Here the minute of
the conversation alluded to was read.)—Subse-
quent to this interview, witness wrote to Mr.
Goold, observing, that there was a mistake in
The minute which.it was desirable, to correct. as
Mr. Q. had promised to arrange for the payment
of the 2001. a year to the Petitioner trout the
Clerk of the Peace for the time being, whereas itt
that minute it was confined to Mr. Richard Smith,
and in answer to this letter witness received the
followhigkahswer
"My dear Smyth,--I received your note, and perfectly con-
cur in the statement you made. Mr. W. Quin authorizes me
to say, that your recollection is perfectly accurate, and of
course there can remain no,: no kind of difference upon the
subject. " 1 am, my dear Smyth,
" Sept. 25, 1818. " Your's, most truly'
" Carysfort Lodge." " THOS. Gt)OLI)."

Witness, in consequence of letters trout the
Petitioner and his father, called (Ilion Mi. Quin
at his cotintry-house, near Limerick, in October
last. Lk Frevionsly communicated with Mr.
Jlannsci!, and Mr. D. O'C'irridy. Mr. Q. denied to
witness that he authorized any one to deliver
message to Petitioner, stating that be (Petitioner)
was " as free as air," and at liberty to vote ,tot
whom be pleased ; Mr. Q. maintaining that if
the Petitiontr and finnily separated their l,olitical

itilittente from. hills, the 2001. ti-vent' sbo"1t1 h 0
withdrawn. Witness had no intention of de-
veting an hostile message to Mr. Quin from the
Petitioner, as in his opinion, as well as that of Mr.
Mannsell and Mr. D. O'Grady, no promise was
absolutely broken by Mr. Q., althoufshe had be'
staved unkindly and unhandsomely totlie Petitioner.
Mannsell and Mr. D. O'Grady also concurred
With witness in thinking that Petitioner should
reject Mr. Quin's offer, which was rejected
ac-
cordingly. On witness's return to Dublin, be re-
ceived a letter nom Mr. Maunsell, stating Oat
Dan. Gabhett had sent him an extract of a letter
from Mr. Quits, stating as follows t—" Mr.Chadi
may vote as he pleases, and it be chooses to vote
against me, I will not, on that account, deprive
him of the situation." This statement vettnfill.
itict t;e.,sysit
ott(s)ahtil,ynylieuarnse
vot;
rn
ceasetertnds
did not know to have been written by Mr. Qu'n-
t:f'3ipnetaik",
to him until the receipt in DubliO of the first (Ns",
cnssion of this subject in that-House. The object{
• of Petitioner was• not, as witness has reasisn tt.)
know, to obtain the 2001. a-year for himself'.
as the near
rr
cc!.
ai
ieonnt
of at .11I)iets
Petitioner;n e.
but for the relict of his father, who was theta
Witnessan (ir c osmv
the El-quest of the Petitioner's mother, wh°
was the sister of witness's father, he pletlpted hin.l.l
self to assist Petitioner by his advice;andjudg
as far as he could--hence witness. was.urge"
interpose so much in this transaction.--r-Wll9ess
%-
was positive that Mr. Good had called twieF 11,4
his house on the 22d of September. -Wittle!",(;4,'
not, on his visit to Mr. Quin at Adare,
Limerick, in October, mention to that Gell*,i'd•
man that any Parliamentary iovestigatiOn
, take place upon this subject, nor did it oectffi,.,l
' hint that it would. take that tarn. the
uiog of this month,•witness understanding.'th.,a.tn
.would be called to the Bar, thought it right t4l:.:ii;
prize Mr. Gnold,.as a brotherßirrister,.
was highly probable he would be required-10'1)4r
duce the letter front that Gentlenian.which."_,
been already cited. To this commuoicati°:l,
which was made. in writing, Mr. Goold returnoi
no answer, Witness had no comtnoniOti"
Chief Baron O'Grady upon this,sUbject, bdt-10.
ply in his reply to a question from his Lord''e jet-
:as to what was doing. This guswee wag mad tie
November last, and referred only to what
never
passing in the county of Limerick. Witness Ch jef.
had any consultation with or Itt Ice I • front
n. wit
'Baron O'Grady, touching his commtinieati°':'
' •-•%s/ltne
Mr. Quin, on behalf of thPetitioner; e
declared, that be had no other: view 10ssnil° -td.
written minute of the conversation allude
refu e
with Mr. Quin than to make an! accurate re
actuation of that Gentleman's views to
ocid Or •
limier and his father. Witness bad auderst
a letter from Mr. Thomas Grady, that .131tessie,k-:
son (the Petitioner) were restored to the c . wit-a.
ship of the Peeve—[of this leiter, which.tbecoin,
ness declared to be confidential, and 0!e the
mencement of a voluminous correspoedeitce,
• folloss
Ming is an extract] : OlB. •
" y dear Carew, " Bonlogoe, 20th Oct' fun
" God knows; and so do I, that you ha your,batids.,....oo,
I. that ward I committed to your tittelage. Your ptrse%':
crfectiy _
e was manly, kind, and disinterested, and I am P ovt
tiified with-the result': of emir admiplittation: 1, en-
whut part of -it most to admire—she coolness
and in
with which you led Quin on, at- Ins -interview with yot
v frosts coquetry to a fun declaration 'of- his pas.siocron
bril,ery and corruptionT the simplicity with. which your
ducted him to a written testimonial of that dr claration4re,
the tact with which you hand'ed bins my letter, at yon "f„.;-c.
Well interview-with-him at Mare; it-was a-kind- of
coin plimenti.wh ich you made him at the very nick of_tlo7],el.4
moment sooner 't would have beep too,.erly„ one 4,"..unept
rater 'twould hate been too late—hut yon seized the:,,;atisfi
when he was glprif,ing himself upon his triumph,
hint that the battle was only in its infancy. ~,ettekel!z,
"Poor Tom he' might have had an'overweeinn!tn. spirt!:
fete the-'lool..alear,- but neither wants houou_r.nichid,
though .he wants steadiness, which naturakileficl.erth, coo;
lug want of judgnient, was abundantly Increa,e(l_,,:rirts,.r,
fission of advice pOured in- upon him from' all ',l:letter tr,o)3";
the number of contradictory advisers. I. h!,a,
him yesterday,. in which he pretty nearly I*-IP,I • says, t
yoit told me as to the proceedings below, "
451
ids mind 'bring unsatisfied at not haviol, the %,;tllyd 110,';
out, he harl (here and in subsequent I,l3.e(s);;gint4l).t.
printed in hales are underscored in timedniake
day written such a letter, as WO' asks Jetity
cessar fur Quin to call hint out; and the ,teat sin
„i„
vice ! ''You had told me, I believe' with ~,tion
and justice, that he had signified such-his in'coobody `"th,t
and yo:ir opinion to ine was, that if he did Sue ibing °cpre-
condvito him. To be.sure nobody would, s031„1 than
sort must Lave been a measure rather expt.cflavi
rated.—l said him, that I approved of h.' s
td of 103,.i_e,.r
the advice of his. friends iii the firstiostaoce, for 110%:
ing vindicated his own feelings in the second to Odir,l
the sense of the country might he with , , tool; to
jurious treatment, it would -fall front him If Is`Aesired 41,!i4.111
to assert himself.—lf Quin let it drop there, )"oria (W"
do so to, but to she* A copy of his letter t' • for
uo. uf
hoped he kept) to all his friends. t. en '
Now, to tell you what progress have seco,fit, flit,
though I shall not call up.on you to promote
.`drtiV
part. of my warfare, I hope you, don't meot
consolation of communicating confidentially .r ,o,or eel 4. jib
it, or of expecting front you a confidential dinatit
"
of the sensation it shall produce on the other sal'
bc
i to t
•
Channel." lid
" Now, though revenge is sweet, yet so the c
nice
ter. I therefore last Friday enclosed a coll (lic that;
gether with the observations and precedents
07. y tO gee
exce
ed, to my friend Quin, whims I should be. owes,
of, tIO
hampered—arid this I did hunt tnentionir""Nlen)"FrcbOre'
that the advice proceeded from a leading
aft"
House—and I.pnt short note at the botwia , baring
t,bIII%OC
in the words following •: ta 01'0 lose
" I tleprecate and despise the idea o
.01 here 'h
,„0
often given you advice to your benefit, I " „f
I advise you to restore my son to his otbcc,,
_fore timetba,
deprived him, by an appointment for fife, ot,•uro of paolespec_
of neat January—and to me by le, 3 I Stla soWer
you mean um take time ads ice I here give ). Tf./ get 11°Avice.'",
same answer, b the of November---.orict,,d tou.a.ufarthe:i
that day, I}shall presume that you 4e.J.a use a"
..sulerce
And to prevent you all farther
is
ball be cur' t{o
delay, no vadelle terra, no compionise., s...ivice beet,
4 °
by me as falling within the scope Of the ""
„ tore A/
you.' ust be •-s ioe".
"It mos, comes to this:—Either Toni tbe ro
5 re 1110
the full plenitude of his place, or Qui"s oatuo TG.
:mined beyond all redemption ; there "
iVea °
way. " Yours,
be hail reeeis 00'
That was the first intimation ,
before 6.0 It
any joie tit ion to bring ,be question
(boughl dip
rnent as a bleach of its 1)1'1%61'1;e:481s, mr.Cirtio'll,,
letter dated Boulogne, 27th Sept •
ft,oC
sets. said he had the means., throni..llthe fiouse.v
of bringing the whole twitter betuti: Qoin Of '6
Conithons, with a view tit der
Ile
411 not conc,ti_o
otlice of Custos Rondos urn. diet
e "
it possible that when Mr. Grad • wrot h.
rS ,tC
he had received any letter trowel
_tit
_tkand 23
subsequent to the letters of 01
.:401t3er,
September. The firs; those
of his (
-
which were read) gave an 4, r. 60 op
C. S.'o inter.iew with Mr: Q. I,:..aLai.„‘u node
7.d
whets Mr. Q said that he had
Ili
his mind to appoint, Mr. R. Swim e
coTor Y
1 Grady, t,
2001. a year to Mr, T. •

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'long" Mt•tlV.G.'s iwerW in the county
have
ghatlr• disposal,Qpz.o.l(;trr
was at \I
stated t Mr. being determined so
The second of those letters
Quin, in cum my with Mr.
i°old called on him (Mr. C. S. the next morn-
n Say that he, thought it better the only
inedlge Mr. T. W. Grady should give, sho"I'l be
toolesteopuoir4 hint (Mr. Q.) so long as he stood for
leaving. Open the question of the fu-
ture disposal of his interest.. After Mr. twin's
departure, he (Mr. C. S.) enclosed to him a mi.
!nue of what had passed, which he (Mr. Q.)-
_brought back, with very little alteration, although
he declined signing it. in the course of the let-
ter, Mt.C. Smyth observed, that Mr. Quin hay-
ing,contradicted Mr. T. W. Grady as to the al-
leged promise, the latter had only one of three
courses to take ; either cll Mr. Q. out, to
Stand on his legal rights, if to
a he should be advised he had them, the third to make the best terms he
"old by way of compromise ; and he (Mr. C. S.)
l*ecoMmended the latter, although the proposed
terns were hard. lu his subsequent examination,
le (Mr. C. S.) stated that he gave that advice in
°lder to prevent the langel • of a hostile meeting
het
Z4'reel) Mr. Quin and Mr. T. W. Grad and
ith y ;:
out bein aware
0111 i g at all that a compliance
t would be a breach of the privileges of the
"se.. Mr• C. -Srhyth then gave in a number of
rct
term relating to I he M subject from r:Grady-, seu.
41rGrady, jun. and others.
li. Mr Goot:o was next examined.—He
811,been 13 years one of his` Majesty's Couir'sel
the.lrisli bar.
.11e. acCOmpanied. Mr. Quin in
month of September, when he called on Mr.
1(/ r h
' Smyth. in doing that, his sole -object had
cell to prevent .a meeting between .Mr. T. NV.
,:tadY and Mr. Quin.. At that meeting Cllr. Quin
to.hhoself the minute made by Mr. C.; Smyth
a conversation Which had passed between them
the preceding day„. and denied its accuracy,
f-f-mk than he (Mr. C... 5.) had made him nargain
1;e 4'
fA,Ir T. W. Gradv's. Political support;,suppu,, a thing
til."r• Q.) never dreamt of, and that he would
1114 e no stipulatiOus whatever on the subject.
(Mr. Goold) had.. never read the minute or
ccard it read. He bad_never observed, when Mr.
sail to was required by Mr. C. Smyth to sign the
14-nute, that be ought out to sign it,. being a
eibber of Parliament, it relating to a division of
leln-ofits of an office ministerial to justice. Had
ta*:,een capable of such an act, lie ought not
li.a-ltear his Majesty's gown four-and-twenty
1111"'' lie considered the minute a rejected
art adopted document ; adoptedad in that .part
^lnc(lh
~ee
. expressed that Mr.lv 'l'. W. Grady was to
_
01e,51,e 2001. a year from Mr. It.:bnuth ; and
eat4iss."ll.- T. W. Grady should continue politi-
co COllRected ;with Mr. Quid), so long as be
pat:finoed to receive that stun ; rejected in that
4,11,.!,19,1iich imported that Mr: Quin stipulated for
der . • tV. GlRdy's political support as a. coosi-
fi ,stil,"• On the 21st of September, at his (Mr.
111°,'"''°) house, Mr. Quilt communicated to him
hNhstanee of a preceding conversation hebad
t'llt•-(11r. C. Smyth ; in which the latter, finding
tl.r...7ll4peremptory on the legal pretensions of
l'etti'` W. Grady•to.the
,office, was himself
411444 y and explicit • as to an alleged promise
koo: by Mr. Quin;. and that was one of tlr
it .4141, of the aim nr, which he (Mr. Gook )
141%
,t,ready described. Mr. Q.liu told him, that
Nallj'll7. Grady had said, if the office was taken
he would blow his brains out. The
„.41 2001. did opt;origitiate with Mr. Quin.
11,1
the Y
Suggestion ~of as tespectable a man
'in society, •Mr.-Consandiite, who was
4 ProVe it at the bar of the House. Upon
N.11,4,.,`nr, he was.not twice at Mr. C. Smyth's
%,rt-le 42d of September. Upon the honour of a
tet!.etnatiiraud of Majesty's Counsel, he had
itad°l it .4een the minute, read it, heard it read, or
n'ent ,Coofents cotuminticated to him. The
tl luat Quin• enclosed to him a Copy of
t(44.'"ening letter, which be had received', he
lit.Tt to del the villain to the investigatioo.—
N e Y
-illy -roptuo acquaintance of Mr. C.
aeconot of the charge published on the
tliz; -Peintlary, in all tlie papers, under which he
Iraw e'n tor five weeks languishing, of his having
14-Prepared, and testified a corrupt bargain,
• the report of the statement made in the
Lao e 13Y Sir It. Wilson. Upon his honour, he
kl'ever expressed himself ready on all occasions
veteatimony to. the accuracy of the minute.
FRIDAY, MARCH 12.
the h 'jai) MAtiNsELL was examined.—He was
the citiall of the chief banking establishment in
lione*,:l of Limerick, father•in-law to the Teti-
el and a relation to Mr. Quin. He saw
Arho.c Smyth in October; before he went to
verst".‘lthen,he told him, that lie had had a con-
ies ° ' I,2nn with Mr. Quin in Dublin, on the sub-
1co0,01; a year; and that lie had drawn up a
(4 it, which be (Mr. C. Smyth) produced.
nd• •
aye ition on which the pesitioner was to
e 2001. a year was, that Mr. Quin was to
eleeti: the political interest of Mr. Grady at the
.11e bailey (The minute was shewn to the witness.)
;Pof Pert that to be the paper, but he could
ahPhaerittienlarly charge his memory with it.—Mr.
two h., 'the law agent of Mr. Quin,had shown him
,Ifr fin note from Mr. Quin, to the following
iur. -
.bm:(lBl.l_t,e slmjintrild"radv may
vote
as
lie pleases,
vote 'against me, that shalt not
itatll4;aet.ent. cause for my removing him." He
..Onrcated this to the Petitioner, and advised
1,43 been shown him'
4.(0 accept the 200/. a year, which Le did.—
that note from Mr. Quin to Mr. Gabbett
the iMpression on his mind
yearthe Petitioner 'vas to receive the 2001.
'2IIPPOr?n the condition of his giving his political
ihirraa-t,°Mr• quit); The Petitioner was in em-
4:it circumstances. The Petitioner's de-
' fr- r.•Wal4l,oohie. understood, annually paid to
e etnioner
Jadif took it for granHteed believed
tht
ire
wasthat
sure Ai r. 'or
f.
PliitiaeCdeitoinlicimonsierit,!ence of some kind expressions
-ItVhe.
-the peace
was
idr• Quin. The office of Clerk of
Pr• Gitow..,3exectited by deputy, because Mr.
110(l. being a boy when be gqt it, was
St Lis ii4_,u.t° fill it. Ile recollected a meeting
baetween Mr. Darby O'Grady arid Mr.
al.Ply the 2eons"PPosed the Petitioner intended
purse
4e,:teral ttmd,
_u! a Year by throwing it into the
celkey a
3,:csitle was very liberal to his lather.
between them. He con-
4tit, e•d that the
vlisproposal made by Mr. Quin to hii
such, that hit could not in honour

accept of i;, as there it'd, the condition of tequit-
ing political support annexed to it. lie under-
stood the intcltion, as ,then expressed by Mr.
Gabbett to be• that of Mr. Quin:to be varied from
what he understood to have been the intention of
Mr. Quin when in . Dublin. The difference was
Dublin l►e understood him to require the
political support of Mr. Grady, but by that letter
he left him. Free to dispose of his votes as he
pleased.

The next witness called was Mr. DANIEL
GABBETT.-He deposed, that he was a solicitorat
Limerick, and occasionally employed-as law agent
to Mr. W. Quin. It was after an interview 'with
Mr. Maonsell that he went in the month of October
to Mr: tV. Qain at Adare ; 'his-motive was, as a,
mutual,friend, to promote a reconciliation between
the parties. In that conversation he sta'ted
Mr. Quin that lie understood the caase of differenee
was occasioned by an implied condition ot political
support being expected
.from Mr. Grady—he
der st ood so in his communie.ations.with Mr. Smyt
and Mr. Grady the petitioner. -Mr. Quin's reply
was, that as threats had been held otitio him by•
Mr. Grady, he did not feel himself called!ppon.tp,
afford any explanation. os he was determined not
to he-intiMidated. 11 observed to Mr:Quiii; that
it would be: honourable -in him' to ilisctain '§o-
injurious a report. Mr. Qairt proceeded nolur,,
t her, except giving him to .understand that the.
principal cause of difference arose from :IWr.'
Grady,'s endeavouring to enforce the. ployisi,on
:intended for him, while -Mr. Quin 'to
hold-The situation Of .Cnsi-o's- Tiottilorutn ;,ofilht-
countyy. adding,. that he was determined •to be.lo
free as. Mr. Grady himself. Mr.,Qiiin neither.o7
mitted'nor denied the fact requiied-pn-,
.stippoit in the 'Conversation he- had wily
He informed him, however, that some ex,
pression bad escaped him in.:,the course of his
communications with Mr.- C. .Sthyth,-intimating
that. while lie And Mr: Grady' sailed in the ' same
political•veSiel,:it was not. ,likely that any. mis-
uuderstanding could arise between them, Witness,
did not
.understand the figurative expression of
sailing in ' the same political vessel as an- ac=
knowledgmenr that !bete • was a condition: of
political support annexed to the annuity; he
thought it referred to the possibility of the
petitioners father lampooning Mr. Quin,- stub
of the petitiOner himself taking a part pecu-
liarly-hostile to his interest. Wittiels stated"that
he had-afterwards a written communication with
Mr. Quin upon thesubjecr,..the *visa er which_
was proilitced. In this answer Mr. Q accepted
the proposition of Mr. Maunsell, anti (let-Fared.
that hegatite the thing during pleasure, allowing
Mr. Grady to vote as he pleased, and pledging
himself, in Case Mr. Grady chose to pole against
him, that he should not upon that account 'de
wive him of the situation. Witness conceived
that Mr. Q. in this-letter acquiesced in hia sii.g-
gestion of disclaiming the report that he had re-
quired a condition of political support, the idea
of which condition he believed to have origi-
nated in misconception between the parties.—He
did not think that- Mr. Quin would engage in
such a traffic, or' that 'hi-attached such value to
the political interest of Mr, Grady as could -Make
it an object to him. When be received the note
from Mr. Quio, he communicated to Me: Matiii-
sell that he had acquiesced in every thing
sought for-on behalf of Mr. Grady, namely,lhat
he had disclaimed any idea of imposing any &in-
dition.whatever of politicAl support. He did not'
know that the terms had been refused by the pe-
titioner, until the very time he believed that he
saw a petition had been preferred on the occasion,
or some'Parliamentary debate -uptiti the subject.
The witness then read a letter, dated' Limerick,
the Ilth• of October, ISIS, addressed- 'by ilia to
Mr, Quin, apprising him of the assent of Mr.
Maunsell, Mr. Grady, and Mr. Alp, to the ur-
rangement. He knew Mr. Thomas Wall, the
Deputy of the petitioner, to be- a man of inte-
grity,and had never heard of any complaint against
him in discharging the duties of his office. It was
very much the custom in England for the office of
Clerk oft he Peace to.he performed by- Deputy ;
he had not interfered in consequence of hearing
that • a Parliamentary Inquiry was about to
take place, and did not recollect having had
any conversation with the Petitioner on the sub 4
ject. The Gentleman who held the office of
Clerk of the Peace prior to the appointment of
Mr. Grady, was, he believed, Mr. Meredith
Maunsell ; and he rather inclined to think that
lie bad acted .himself, and not by deputy. He
was not aware that any communication had taken
place between Mr. Quin and Mr.' Carew Salyut' on
the subject before his interview ; the ground of
the difference was certainty, political support. He
had heard nothing of the minute of a conversation
taken by Mr:Carew,Smyth until be came to at-
tend *Under the, summons of that Honourable
House ; he believed him totally incapable of • fa-
bricating the substance of any such conversation,
but believed that 'a misconception might -have
arisen on the occasion.

RICHARD SMITH, Esq. called in and examin-
ed.—The ,witness' stated, that Ire was now Clerk
of the Peace for the County of Limerick, which
appointment he received on 'the 22e1 of September
last ; the deed of appointment contained a °stipu-
lation, in virtue of which he was only to hold the.
office during the plea Sure of the Honourable W.:
; he believed it did not in that respect dif-
fer from other deeds -of appointment given to
Clerks of the Peace ; it did not differ from those
given to his -predecessors. It *vas suggested to
him, that it would be humane and advisable to
make the provision ot - 2001. .a-year out of the
office for the late Cleric of the Peace. The suggeS-!
lion was first made by Mr. N. Consannine, and;
afterwards by Mr. Quin, 'who told him that he
was under great embarrassment in consequence
of the representation Mr. Grady made of his si-
' !nation. lie believed it was from the Petitioner
himself that he first understood there was a con-
dition of political support annexed to the grant of
2001. a year. Ile had stated this to Mr. Quin,
who authorised him to inform Mr; Grady that be•
wanted no such pledge from him ; and having so
done, Mr. Grady professed himself perfectly satis-
fied. 'This conversation took place a few days
before Mr. Carew Smyth came-to Limerick. hi
the conversation he had with the Petitioner about
delivering up the Records, he understood from
him that Ilhat he wanted was to have an annuity,

settled on him for life. Ire was himscHappoint-
ed to the ()Ince without Solititation. There were
49 Freeholders registered upon his property. The
Petitioner had 33 previcyrs to the last Election,
and 40 were since registered by Mr. O'Grady;
the late Candidate.. His own:Freeholders voted
in the interest of ,Mr. Fitzgibbr>tt and Mr. Quin
at the last Election, He did not recollect that
:Hr. Q. had ever assigned- any reason for the re-
.moval of the Petitioner from the office.
Mr. CAREW SMYTH called in and further exa-
mined t--The witness expressed himself quire con-
fident that Mr. Goold accompanied -Mr. Quin otr
the morning of the 22,1 of September when he'
waited Orion witness, He stated:smne particulars
;which impressed it more strongly on his inernory,,
,such as the awkwar,drress of the 'maid-servant,
:who shut the dorm against them at first ; and, the,
dress of Mr. Goold, who was wrapped up in a
'great-coat,..and wore a handkerchief-about his
'neck ; and some pleasantries that,passeil between
them on the occasion. „ .
. [Here some letters which passed between Thus.
Grady ancl_Mr,, Quin were read to the House.
The witness persevered in stating, that Mr. Goold
bad expressed himself_ in the manner _he (the wit-
ness) had stated yesterday.] ••?:
THOMAS GOOLD,.Esq. called in and further ex-
witnest stated,.: that lie had seen°
;My. Grady, jut-. that day,- andiwasjhreatened by'
him for the evidence lie had piveif.
Mr. T.: W. Gam:ofbeing 'Called in, and having
:adinitted ',that he had told Mr; Goold, that if..h•e„
made use drhij'.(Me. Grady's) ntfttve'wantonly; he
should be under ihe•necessitk_u_fkieldng him, was
:committed to the,enstody of the t;ierjeant-at-ArmS.,
S.m.vTiii_Esq. was called, and fur.:
ther exEmined as to.the stated -Mr;
Gould to haye made at his loose company
:with Mr. V. .on the infirning-of the 22d.
The first . visit was about 1170'clnck. He re-
affirmed the various particulars which he bad
mentioned, and which impressed.on his mind the
remembrance of 'the first visit., He stated that
Mrs. Grady - (the wife of Mr, Grady, the elder,
•was his father's sister), on leaving Ireland, had,
requested him to adviie and take care of her son.
He was a!so examined as to his motives, and as
'to his conversations with Chief Baron O'Grady,
but nothing material was elicited. .

THomAs,GooLD, Esq. was again called, and Mr.
Carew Smyth's evidence having b'en recapitulated-
to hiM, with respect to the Ersertiotr that Mr.
Gould accomp-anked.Mr. Quin to.his (C. Smyth's)
house on the morning as well as'on the afternoon
ot the 22d of September, he stated that he had
passed a-sleepless night, taxing. his-memory to try
if he conlitbring such a fact .to his recollection,
anti be now solemnly declared his " sincere con-
viction and positive one," that he never entered
Mr. Carew Sinytlrs.hOuse hut once-in his life.—
He stated that.the conversation alleged to have
taken place at, the first interview was, therefore;
" positively incorrect, and not frue. HF re-
collected no conversation with, respect to his
dress ; he never.wore a handkerchief about his
neck ; tke 22d of. September was not a cold day.
He mentioned, however, that he had driven with
Mr. Quin in an open car, and that Mr. Q.
wished to call at Mr. .C. Smyth's ; he believed
the car stopped at
.the door, but neither he (Mr.,
G.) nor Mr. gill) got out, acCording to his " po-
sitive recollection;" his (Mr. G.'s) own coach-
man drove the car.' No other material point was
skated by him,.: except the fact which impressed
the circumstauce of his meeting Mr. Qoin at his
hall door. The faCt was this=" Mr. W. Quin."
said he, " my relative and friend, thought it riOtt
to bring my.pretensions to promotion under the
eye ot my Lord Talbot, (the Lord Lieutenant) ;
there was then a Seljeancy vacant, which he went
to ask for me on that day "
Mr. CAREW. Spitv7ll was called, and stated the
names and residences of the two servants who
lived with him .on the 22d of September, and Mr.
G-oold also was called on, and stated the name of
the coachman who drove him on that day.—[lt
will be recollected by our Readers that these ser-
vants were immediately ordered to attend on the
motion of Mr. Larnbton, with a view to ascer-
tain which of the two contradictory statements of
Mr, Gould and Mr. C. Smyth were correct ]