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THE FUNDS-(CLOSING PRICES

BRITISH FUNDS.
Bask Stock 199% Indian Stock. 285
3 per Cent. Red lOO% Ditto Bonds ...... ......... 94 pm.
3 per Cent. Cons.
3% per Cent. Red 102% Ditto New Annuities ...
New 3% per Cent lO2 Ex. Bills, 1,0001. 1%d... 76 pia
New 5 per Cent. i Ditto 5001.
Long Annuities to expire 1 Ditto Small 7B pm.
Jan 1410 12)4 Bank Stock for Acct....
Oct. 1859 l2 5-16 'Consols for Opg. 99X
Jan. IWO ......
FOREIGN FUNDS.
Austrian, 5 per Cent lPortuguese, 5 per Cent —
Belgian, 5 per Cent....., ..... 104 ;Ditto, New Ditto —
Brazilian Bonds
Buenos Ayres, 6 per Cent.— Russian, 5 per Cent. ..... ......
Chllian, 6 per Cent .....
Colombian, 6 per Cent
Ditto, 1924 ....... ... . ........... . Ditto, 3 per Cent 32%
Cuba Bonds, 6 per Cent — Ditto, Deferred ..... ........ .....
Danish, 3 per Cent — French, 5 per Cent —f —c.
Greek, 16.5, 5 per Cent — Exchange —f. —c.
Mexican, 5 per Cent
Ditto, 6 per Cent., 183'7 Dutch, 2% per Cent.... 61%
Peruvian, 1625, 6 per Cent 26 ' Ditto, 5 per Cent ....,....101)4
SHARES.
Birmingham and Gloucester (100 paid) 99
Chester and Holyhead ( 5 paid)
Dublin and Cashel, 2% paid
Eastern Counties (23 paid) ;.... ....
Ditto Registered (816 s Bcl paid)
Great Western (75 paid)
Ditto Half Shares, 50 paid 79
London and Birmingham (Stock)
London and Brighton (50 paid)
London and South Western (411. 6s. 10d. paid)
Manchester and Leeds (70 paid) ......... ..........
Midland Counties (100 paid) 973 .
South Eastern and Dover (33 2s 4d paid) .....
Ditto New Shares ( 4 paid)
Trent Valley, '2 paid 9%
Yarmouth and Norwich (18 paid)
York and North Midland (50 paid)
Ditto Half Shares (25 paid) : 5l
Paris and Orleans (20 paid)

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT
(THIS DAY.)

HOUSE OF COMMONS.
POOR-LAW AMENDMENT BILL.
(Continued from our Afternoon Edition.)

Sir JAMES GRAHAM said the principle could be
applicable only to the metropolis and to large cities, not
to rural districts. He had endeavoured to word the
clause so as to carry out this object, and this object
alone. If, however, it was thought the words were not
sufficiently stringent or precise, he would very willingly
snake any alteration that might be desirable, in order to
leave no doubt whatever upon the intentions of Par-
liament.

Colonel RUSHBROOK said no county furnished
better means of education by national and parochial
schools than that which he had the honour to represent,
and therefore the Hon. Member for Finsbury was
greatly mistaken when he ascribed the recent incendiary
tires to the deplorable ignorance of the people.
Mr. It PALMER said he had yet to learn that it was
desirable to extend to the whole of the poor children of
England the same extent of education as was given in
the school at Norwood. The great point was to make
them good subjects and good Christians—(Hear, hear)
—and that was all Parliament ought to attempt to do for
them.

Mr. BANKES said that the state of the poor in the
rural districts was not quite so bad as supposed by the
lion. Member for Finsbury. He spoke from his own
experience of the decrease of offences among the juve-
ni;e poor in the country.
ass:. HAWES was surprised to find that the clause did
not apply to the rural districts, where there was far
greater need of education than among the populous
manufacturing localities, to which they were now told
the etfect of the provision was to be confined.
It seemed to him to be a matter of reproach and shame
to the Government that they stepped in to prevent the
education of the poor in the rural districts.—(Cheers.)
For what purpose this was done he knew not, but to
stint the education of the lower orders in the rural dis-
tricts appeared to him to be a cause of shame to her
Majesty's Government.—(Hear, hear.)
Sir JAMES GRAHAM said he was very anxious to
exclude all unnecessary heat from this discussion ; but
he could not conceive on what ground, if he had any
regard for truth, the Hon. Gentleman who had just sat
down had thought fit to make an attack upon himself
and the Government, for shrinking from spreading
education amongst any class of her Majesty's sub-
jects.—(Loud cheers.) The Hon. Gentleman admitted
that it was a salutary principle that children should not
be removed more than a moderate distance from their
friends ; and it was an inevitable consequence of that
admission that the clause could not be applied to the
rural districts with due regard to the feelings of those
concerned.—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. HAWES said he did not understand the Right
Hon. Gentleman. He said that he (Mr. Hawes) would
not make a certain statement if be had any regard for
truth. Did the Right Hon. Gentleman mean to say,
that he was in the habit of making statements without
knowing that they were founded in truth ?—(Cheers.)
• Sir J. GRAHAM said what be had intended was,
that if the Hon. Gentleman meant to make a deliberate
charge against himself or the Government, that they
se;ahed to restrict the education of the poor, he made a
charga which he could not substantiate, with regard
either to truth or justice.—(Ministerial cheers.)
Mr. IL.A.WES said the Right Hon. Gentleman had
somewhat altered his words.—(Cries of " No, no.")
The Right Hon. Gentleman now said that if he had
made any such statement he was not able to substantiate
it ; but it so happened that he had used no such words, and
therefore the Right Hon. Gentleman was himself making
a statement which had no foundation in truth.
The CHAIRMAN was understood to say that the
lion. Member having stated that he had not intended to
make the imputation, the matter might be suffered to
rest.—(Hear, hear.)
Sir J. GRAHAM said that he never designed to give
*,-ersonal offence to any gentleman in that House; but the
Hoe,: Gentleman had unnecessarily used a taunt against
the G„ vernment, which did not appear to him to be jus-
tified by ,-,,,nything which they had either said or done,
and which is,as not founded in fact. If he had used the
word " untruth;" it was an expression somewhat
stronger than the rules of the House permitted, and to
t' lose rules he was certainly bound to adhere.—(Hear.)
Mr. lIAWES said no one had received more courtesy
floe/ the Right Hon. Gentleman than himself, and he
was g-Ip(1 that he had now removed from his mind a
painful impression.—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. ItARBY said the sole question was whether the
principle of this clause was, or was not, applicable to the
rural districts. He was certainly of opinion that it was not.
fle hoped that his Hon. and Gallant Friend would with-
draw his opposition to the clause. He could not admit
11;aat education was neglected in all unions. He knew
sey e.
-al union schools in which the children were admi-
rably well taught. The Right Hon. Gentleman the
Secretary* for the Home Department was possibly right
in th coui which he had adopted ; and if it were at-
e
tempted to apply the clause to the rural districts it
would t,e a facture.
Colonel WOOD was not disposed to stint the educa-
tion of the people. In the workhouse with which he was
ucamnected there was a schoolmaster and mistress, with
G/. a year each, and board and lodging, and the mis-
ts Nees had an evening school for adult females.—(Hear,
he. an) He withdrew the amendment.
V. VERNON SMITH thought that in the rural
distr lets such an education as was the object of this
clause was more needed than in the large towns. In the
rural s listricts, the education of the children was very
much n, 'elected.—(No, no.) He did not accuse any
gentleme, a of neglect in his own particular district ; but
he found t. he greatest difficulty in the parish in which
he resided t o promote education, and he met with every
kind of obs truction. The interpretation which the
Right Hon. Baronet put upon the clause,
fame upon hi n.l (Mr. Vernon Smith) by surprises
'There was noth:n,'s in the clause which could lead any
cane to think that t 1 e rural districts were to be excluded.
Sir J. GRAHAn said that it was his object to ex-
clude the rural districts, • but he proposed to introduce an
amendment in the 25th eine, which would enable rural
parishes to unite for the' purpose of forming district
schools.---(Hear, hear.)
Lord J. MANNERS objected to the omission from
the clause of may authority by whore the teachers were
to be appointed, In the 38th efause, there was a pro-
vision to place the schools under the control of the
Con'aniseioners. Why was that ? Whereas there was
already in this country, a constituted and conse-
crated body, to which the education of the people
ught to have been intrusted.—(Hear, hear.)
T.'ie effect of this measure would be to spread over the
whole country one general system of Dutch education.
which would eraklica:e all those feelings of home and
famil.,7 affection, n non which the well .being of the corn-
munitr mainly deisoded.
Mr. ,M. MILNES ~'greed with his Noble Friend that
the Church ought to haa'e the education of the people com-
mitted to their care. 13ut he also thought that it was
the duty of the State to step in and supply the defi-
ciency of ths Church. He would not refusse to give the
people all the education he could, if he coo 1d not give
them all that he wished. He would give the abuse his
full support.
Mr. CHILDERS would certainly oppose the omission
of the words.
Mr. M‘GEACHY would, if he thought it were in-
tended to establish secular education, most decidedly
aoppose the plan, but hoping that the Government would
,nsent to the proviso, of which he had given notice, for
apt ,ointing cha plain, he should support it.
asTr. VERIKION. SMITH thought as it was intended
to co, 'fine the open Ation of the plan to certain towns, that
it had better be so a tated in the clause.
Aftels a few words from Kr. Stafford O'Brien, Mr.
Peter Bt'rthwick, and ..Mr. Gaily gnight,
Lord HENNIKER s,':ated, in reply to the observa-
tions of the lion. Membes • for Finsbury, that the state of
• education in Norfolk and Suffolk was much improved
in comparit 'on with what it had been. With regard to
the incendia rism in those counties, it had no snore to do
with the pea ,r-laws than it had to do with any Hon.
Member of th at House.
Colonel SI BTHORP said he was really surprised to
hear the inefli il,iency of education stated as the cause of
the incendiary fires in Norfork and Suffolk. This was
mot the cause. For his part he not only wished to see
the poor well ea 'ucated, but ho wished to see them well..
homed and wa. fed.—(Hear.) That was a better way
of hindering ince. ndiary fires than by turning the Poor-
law Commissionei 's into tutors.—(Laughter.)
The gallery Wa then cleared for a division, and the
House divideck, whe n there appeared—
For this amea idment 26
Again st it ...
lajoritys ----77
In answer to a question from Mr. S. O'BRIEN,
Sir J. GR2 LHAM said it was not intended to extend
the benefit of, these schools to children whose parents
sv,sre not pa; see rs.
Oa the c] , as amended, being put,