The Sun.
London, England, 1821-02-01 00:00:00

FOREIGN POWERS.

The Earl of LIVERPOOL rose.--!3 Noble Earl
opposite had, on a former occasion, alluded
to a paper respecting; the state of Europe, ad-
dressed by the Allied Powers to certain Euro-
pean Governments. That Noble Earl had also
put several questions on the subject, to which he
(Lord L.) had endeavoured to answer to -the best
of his knowledge. He (Lord L.) had then stat-
ed, that there was a do.:urnent 'which had been
Rent by his Majesty's Government to Foreign
Powers, which would explain the policy adopted
by this country. in consequence of the transac-
tions in the South of Italy ; and that he should
hale no objection to lay that paper before the
House. In pursuance .of this declaration; he
should now move that an fluuible Address be
presented to his Majesty, praying, that he would
be pleased to order that a copy of _certain com-
munications made to Foreign Powers, and dated
Foreign-Office, 10th July, 1820,. be laid before
the House. The question having been put, •
Earl GREY was understood to inquire whether
the Noble Earl would have any.objection to lay
before the House, the declaration issued by the
Allied Powers, to-which the .doCument now mov-
ed for was an answer ?

he Earl of I.IvrnPOOL stated, that he should
have no objection whatever to produce the de-'
claration alluded to, if it had been officially com-
municated to his Majesty's Government. As it"
bad not been received in an official manner, it
would be quite irregular for him to move •that it
be laid before the House. Its substance, how-
ever, would be found in the document now pray-
ed for, as it was an answer to the paper in ques-
tion.—The motion was then agreed to.
The Duke of DEVONSHIRE presented a peti-
tion from the Borough of Derby, which his
Grace stated to be numerouily signed, praying.
that no further measures be adopted against
the Queen, and that she should be put in pos-
session of all her rights.—Read, and laid on the
table.—Adjourned.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.

MISCELLANEOUS

FtEEMANTLE gave notice of his intention,
on Tuesda y 'next, to move fora Committee of the
whole Holse, to,take into consideration the Sup-
phi. Of Water to the Metropolis.
DuNnAs presented Petitions from
,Rich-
mond, in York, and other places in' the same
County, praying for the restoration of the Queen's
name to the Liturgy.—Ordered to be printed.
Mr. Cll.ll.tiONtli presented a similar Petition
from the. City .of York.—Ordered to be printed.
Mr. LAIIBTON presented a Petition- from the
Nobility, (entry, and Freeholders of the County
of Durham, with 3,400 signatures,' praying an
inquiry into the Milan Commission, and- also.. for
the restoration of. the Queen's name to the Li-
turgy.—Ordered to be printed.
Mr. QUMMING rose to present a Petition from
a body of individuals calling themselves a Lodge
of Odd Fellows; in Scotland. • The Hon, Gen-
tleman read a few extracts from the Petition,
alluding to the Proceedings agaimt-the Queen,
and praying for the Restoration of her 'name to
the Liturgy—and moved that the Petition be
brought. up.
The SPEAKER wished to call the attention of the
I-louse to the description of this Petition. lie had
found no instance in which a .Petition, headed as
coming from a Society not known to.the law, had

been received. lie intenaea no offence to this
particular class of persons ; but he wished the
House to consider how far the precedent, if now
established, of receiving Petitions from. Societies
not known to the law, might be attended with
inconvenience. If this Petition -was received,
other Societies might also claim the right-of pre-
senting Petitions, and from some of these the
House could not but see the impropriety there
would be in receiving- some such. He need
scarcely mention certain Societies known by
the names of the Orange Men, the :White
Boys, the . Peep-o'-day Boys, and others. He
was anxious to avoid the shadow of restraining
the right of Petition ; but he. would put it to the
Hon. Gentleman who presented it, whether it
would not be well that the Petition should for
the present be .withdrawn, its description altered,
and that it should be presented as the Petition of
the individuals whose names were attached to it.
Sir J. NEWPORT and Sir W. DE CRESPIONE were
of opinion the Petition should be withdrawn.
Mr. ABERCROMBIE was averse to rejecting the
Petition, lest it should be taken as a restraint on
the right of petitioning.
Mr. DENMAN thought, as there was nothing
objectionable in the prayer or wording of the
Petition, and as there was nv rule against receiv-
ing a Petition thus describing the Petitioners, it
ought not to be returned to it' distant part to be
re-modelled. -

The Petition was then brought up and read,
and was from the Lodge. of Odd Fellows of
Inverkeithing. It was receivet4 and ordered to
be printed.
_ _

Mr. WYv.z.t.t. said, he held in his hand 32
Petitions from the City of York, in favour of
Parliamentary Reform. These Petitions were
signed each. by 50 persons. They prayed for
extension of suffrage, and more equal representa-
tion. The Hon. Member made some comments
on the vote come to by the. House on Friday
night : looking to that vote, it might be said,
that the House represented the Noble Lord and
his-Colleagues ; but it was .a farce to call them-
selves• the representativesof the people.

Mr. HOIMOUSE wished to know, from the
Member for Durham, if it was his intention to
renew his notice on this subject, which he with-
drew last Session.

Mr. LAMBTON said, it was his intention ; but
he considered it could not be brought forward
with advantage till the business respecting her
Majesty was disposed of, arid, therefore, he
should now name the 10th of April.for bringing
forward that motion.

Mr. GIIENiTLE, said, he had, up to the present
time, invariably voted against, all motions for
Parliamentary Reform, and he•had done so con-
scieutiously, as believing that whatever might be
said by. theorists, still this House acted under the
opinion of the people, and were controuled by
that opinion ; but after the vote come to by the
House on Saturday morning last, he could no
longer believe that public opinion had any con-
troul over the House ; and persuaded of that
fact,•he could not refrain from expressing a hope
that, before - the present Session passed over,
some Gentleman of weight would come forward
with
,a proposition for Reform, of that moderate
nature which the House. might adopt for the be-
nefit of•the country.
Mr. Purr,Lies agreed in the arguments of his
Mon. Friend ; he was fearful, unless some step
was taken to reform the llense., and to retrench
the prei-ogative of the Crown, revolution must
follow; he considered the vote of last Saturday
MOrning as. contrary to the opinion of the great
body' of the" people.
WOO'LEY could not agree to this de-
daration Of the' Hon. Gentleman ; in his opinion
the 'vote of last Saturday morning was in unison
with the Majority of the country.—(Bear, hear !)
—He was aware of the general feeling of the
people, and' alive to that feeling He believed
19 out of '2O desired to see this question respect-
ing her Majesty set 'at 'rest-;' he als'o knew, that
they- wished it *to be settled without any further
prosecution against her; but at the same time
they-desired to see the question 'settled without
giving her Majesty-a triumph over any other per-
son.—(llear-hear.)—No Gentleman could vote
on Saturday Morning last, without considering
what must have been the
_• consequence of a
decision different toithat to which they-had come.
It must have had the effect of driving the present
Ministers from office, and placing Gentlemen op-
posite, to whom the country would not give con-
fidence, in their places.---(llekr, hear !)
''-Mr. BARING contended, that the, majority of
the-countrY were decidedly opposed to the vote
of SaturdaY morning, notwithstanding, what had
been said by the' Mu; Gentleman:

Sir It. IVH.so:4 was persuaded -Ministers op-
posed the restoration of her Majesty's name in
the Liturgy, not on account of the opposition of
any other party, but because they considered them-
-roses bound by certain public declarations they
h:4d nia&.

Mr, BirrtraWoriTli thought, as the Queen had
been prayed for as Princess of Wales, her name
should he placed in the Liturgy as Queen. He
knew such was the. opinion of_ many loyal per-
snns. Ile said nothing of the Queen's guilt or
innocence, but he thought it was an'act of jus-
tice; arid justice, as well as honesty, was the best
policy. •
Sir F. BLAKE declared his .opinion, that the
exclusion of her. Majesty's name was unjust and
arbitrary. This was the age of revolution, and
he should not be surprised if Ministers should by
their obstinacy promote that feeling in this ,Couri-
try. A great injustice and wrong had been done
to
.the Queen, and the House ought not to delay
for a•moment to do her that justice she had a
right to demand—to appoint her a Palace, and
to restore her to her rights.
Mr. Serjeant ONSLow complained of the Mem-
,ber for Yorkshire having imputed motives to.
Gentlemen who voted with the Minority, yon
Friday. -

Mr. S. WonTLcY denied that he had made any
such imputation; he had only stated his own
opinion.
Mr. Serjeant ONsLow said, he so understood
the Hon. Member, and so he believed did many
other Gentletneu; but on that ordaskm he had
given his vote conscientiously, and on what he

considered the justice and legality of the ques-
tion.—The Petitions were then received.
Petitions were received from St. Giles's, -Cam-
berwell, and several other places, in favour of the
restoration of her Majesty's name to the Liturgy.

Mr. CLIIMEN moved for account of the Wl' -
rears of Assessed Taxes, due on the Ist of Ja-
nuary, in the cities of London and Westminster,
so far as the same could be made up.
Sir M. ItIpLEY saidche _would on. Tuesday
next move for some returns relative to the As-
sessed Taxes generally, and should then call the
attention of the house to-certain difficulties which
had athen out of the plan for compounding fOr
Assessed Taxes.

Mr. CunwEN suggested to the Chancellor of
the Exchequer the propriety of repealing en-
tirely the Tax on agricultural horses,. as a relief
to the agriculturalist.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, lie
could not at this moment hold out hopes of any
Such relief to the agriculturalist, as that alluded
to 'by the lion. Gentleinan.—(The Papers moved
for by Mr. Curwen were then ordered.) .
Mr:BENNET presented a Petition from Stam-
ford, on the subject of the•proCeediugs against
the Queen, and raving that her name should 'be
at once inserted in the Liturgy. The-Hon.Ment-
ber, in presenting this Petition, declared his
opinion, that the recent voterof the House had
operated to bring it into contempt, and to in-
crease the discontent of, the country more than
any act they had recently done.
Lord A.. 40411,1'0N gave notice of his inten-
tion of moving, this day se'nuiglit, for copies of
the whole proceedings
,relative to a Clergyman
in Scotland having been put under arrest, for
disobeying the Order iu Council, and praying
for her Majesty:
Sir H. WIL3oN put a question to Lord Castle,
reagh, as to the Monarchical note relating to
Naples, and its authenticity, similar to that put
by- Lord Grey, on a former day in the House of
Peers.

Lord CASTLEREAGH in reply, said, be had no
objection to laying all the information in- his pos-
session on this subject before the House.
Lord NUGENT presented a Petition from Ay, les-
bury, praying the restoration of the Queen's
name 4n the Liturgy.—A similar Petition was
presented from Lichfield.
Mr. AUTTERWORTH moved for a return of all
the Weekly "Newspapers- published on Saturday
and Sunday, and the.amount of the stamp duties
paid on such • publications for the last 20 years,
distinguishing each year.—Ordered.
.A Petition was presented from the Paper-
stainers of Dublin, praying relief from the duties
imposed by the Act of the 45th of the late King.
Mr. Er,ris moved for a string of accounts, re-
lative to the expellees of widening, improving,
lighting, paving, cleansing, &c. the City' of Dub-
lin for a series of years.
Dr. I4USHINCTON asked the Hon. Gentleman if
it was hisintention to' resign the office which he
at present bolds of Master in Chancery.
Mr. ELLI 3 answered in the negative.
Dr. LUSHINGTON then gave notice., he would
on the 21st of February, move an Address to his
Majesty for the removal of the Hon. Gentleman
from that high office.
Mr. DEN MAN presented a Petition from Sutton
.Ashfield, signed by upwards of 1000 persons,
praying the insertion of her Majesty's name in
the Liturgy, &c.—lie could not believe, if these
Petitioners were fairly heard, they could fail of
effect. 14.. complained o$ _the exclusion of her
Majesty's name as an act of the highest injustice
towards her, as it condemned her unheard. It
was unjust to the House of Peers, who were af-
terwards to be her Judges, since it subjected Se-
veral Members of that House who advised the
omission, and afterwards sat as Judges., to a
charge of prejudgment and, lastly, it was unjust
to his Majesty, whose wife her Majesty was. He
had heard a; great deal of parade about the re-
sponsibility of Ministers; that parade was wholly
unnecessary,as by the Constitution, Ministers were
responsible ; and these repeated declarations on
their part seemed rather intended to convey.to the
House an impression that they did not act on their
own responsibility. House had beedinflu-
enced by any such opinion in the,conduct they had
recently adopted, they had acted most disloyally
towards his Majesty. He thought the House
ought to comply with the general call of the
people, and address his Majesty to restore her
Majesty's name ; there could be no difficulty in
doing this ; a similar. Address was presented in
1741 to George 11. praying him then to restore
the name of the Prince of Walessnd the Royal
Progeny to their former place in the Liturgy.
'r.h Petition was received, and ordered to. be
read. •
_ _

Mr. HuistE gate notice he would, on Friday,
move an Address to his Majesty for copies'of the
Letters Patent appointing- the late and present
Presidents of the Board of Controul, and also
copies of the warrants for the payment of the
salaries to those Offirers.- The Hon. Gentleman
also presented,a Petition from the Guildrie of the
Royal Burgh of Dundee,'praying the insertion of
her Majesty's,naine in the Liturgy, and,that. she
Should be forthwith invested with all her rights
and privileges.
Mr. HumE, also presented a similar •Petition-
frorn Edinburgh, and in doing so, commented on
the conduct of the RepteSentative for Edinburgh;
who had refused to present it.
Mr. DUNDAS said, he had not refused to pre-
sent the petition with any intention of delaying
it in its progress to the House. He received. the
petition with a communication requesting that he
would present and support_ it. Feeling that he
could not support it, he had considered it_ acting
with more candour towards the .petitioners4to're-
, turn it to them, and intimate that he could ndt
support it, knowing full well that there would. be
no difficulty in finding persons who would present
and support it most cordially.
Mr. iIU.ME had no doubt but the Right •Hon.
Gentleman intended to state correctly what had
passed, but on reading the correspondence be-
tween the Right Hon. Gentleman and the peti-
tioners, it would appear that he was mistaken ;
they only requested hint to present their petition
at an early day, and added to that request an e:c.,
pression of the -satisfaction they would feet if it

obtained his support. The Right Iron, gentle-1
man's answer positively denied presenting it at all.
Mr. W. Dusniis said, it was not for him to
enter into a long tirade in answer to the Peti-
tioners ; but he told them fairly that his Opinions
were different from theirs, and therefore that he'
would not present the Petition.'

lord MALTON said,:the Right 'Hon. Gent
man had not left it fairly to the PetiOduers
ju4w.hether lie was a proper person to present
the Petition or ❑ot.

Mr. W. DuNDAs and Lord MILTON, mutually
explained ; and the. Petition was ordered to be
laid on the table, and to be printed.
Sir R. FEnGuscrx, in presenting a similar Pe-
tition front Kirkaldy, said, that 99 out of every
100 in Scotland were hostile to all the proceed-
ings against the Queen. If County
.Meetings
were called and held in.Scatland as in. -Englarrd,
the present Ministers would have not a leg to
stand on. If the voice of the people of Scotland
were, properly heard, it would be found still
stronger than that of England. The Petitions
from Scotland said nothing about. the Liturgy.
Thank God ! their religion was not under such
trammels. They. could pray in their own way ;
and he was sure the prayers of an_honest man
were much more- acceptable to God than any
prayer that the Noble Lord could manufacture
in the Cabinet.

The Lonn ADVOCATE asserted, that these Pe-
titions from the Scotch Counties had been carried
unanimously in all but four. They were all
signed by Justices of the Peace and Commis-
sioners of Supply, representing the whole pro-
perty ofScotland..

Mr. KENNED Y denied that the great property
of Scotland 'was fairly represented in those
Meetings or in that House ; and until it 'was
fairly represented, there would be no peace in
that,country. Scotland was not a country easily
roused ; but if she was, she would not stop until
she had a fair share in the Representation ; and
beyond that no man in Scotland wished to go.

. .
Lord I3tNIND43- would maintain that these
County Meetings' represented the great Landed
Interest in Scotland ; and they -spoke the opi-
nion of that Interest. The Petition from the
Inhabitants 'of Edinburgh alas got up in a The-
atre,'and was signed by all sorts of persons over
and over again: He denied that the generality
of the' people of Scotland had any wish for Pai'-
liatnentary Reform.
'Mr. J. P. GRANT said, it was true the Meeting
alluded to was held in tr-plapliouse, because no
other place could be found large enough to hold
the Meeting. The Petition. then adopted was
signed by 17,000 of the male adult population of
Edinburgh, praying for the removal of the Kin es
Minister s ; and only 1,60 Q signed the Loyal Ad-
dress. He contended,- that in all parts of Scot-
land L-in parts where political discussion #eyer was
heard, the. people were almost unan-linousin their
desire for Parliamentary Reform.

_ .
Mr. ABERCROMBIE' said, all the information he
had received from Scotland respecting the opi-
nions of the people as to the proceedings against
the Queen, and the conduct of Ministers, she wed
that it was hostile le: both. He himself was a
freeholder in two counties of Scotland', and held
not a single acre of land, in the whole country.
That-shewed the nature of these County Meet-
ings in that part of the natiOn...
Sir G. WARRENDER • admitted that there had
been considerable agitation among the lower
ordeys, in Scotland respecting the proceedings.
agaito.t.the,ueett ; but the landed proprietors
approved, no doubt, of the conduct of Ministers.
He had no doubt that Scotland would be the first
part of the. Empire that would return to its
senses on.these subjects.--7(llear.)
Mr. BnouonAsi said, nine-tenths of the Peo-
ple of Ent; land and Scotland had loudly express-.'
ed their opinions against the conduct of Minis-
ters ; and the nemaining tenth had expressed no
opinion at all. It was not to be endured by the
People that they should be "told by the Ministers
that they- were mad.' That was not a very ready
way to hring them to their senses.
•Mr. FORBES said, all the landholders in Scot-
laud were Commissioners-of Supply ;in that qua-
lity_ they might- attend
_County Meetings. The
peOple:ol -Aberdeen were actually canvassed in
thestreets.iti sign the •Petition in favour of the.
Queen.
-Mr. ITtimE said the information he had received
was directly opposite to the assertion of his Ilon.
Friend.
Sir R. FERGUSON said, that in all the Loyal
Meetings, the Gentlemen Freeholders loudly
declared, that they had no connection with the
present Ministers.—The Petition was then order-
ed to lie on the Table.
Sir. It. WILSON presented a similar Petition
from N'ardeils'Overseers-, and Inha-
bitants St. Saviour's, Southwark,
and was attended by many
eth ref the Parisht of
MeetingC u r cl
fairly represented the opinions of
ntwheea:etctl
habryge
before
parish,.
wealthy
ma rirsiel
ed in public politics. If ctable individuals, who had
Mi-
nisters would recommend the" insertion of her
Majesty's name in the Liturgy, it would not be
ion!, before the house would adopt it. If they
had given any indiscreet pledge,,they had better
break it, and retain their places by doing right.

•
CA.LVERT supported the Petition. He
was afraid Ministers 'could not' open their eyes ;
for if ifti
iey did, they would lose their pNces.—
The Petition was ordered to lie on the table.
Petitions were then presented, complaining of ondrie returns
for Tregony, Boston, and Warwick ; which were ordered to
be taken into esmilileration oil the 13th and 20th of February,
Petitions were ?resented front Derby, West ham, &C.-pray-
ing for the insertion (tithe. Queen's name in the Liturgy, and
and on the 6th of May.
fir Parliamentary Reform.

M r. RENNEDYwisliedto linow from the Noble LOO what
had been done:lAM) respect to the vacancy in 'the office of
I.Ord Re:;ister of Scotland.

Loid CASTLi.:REAGH said, that nothing had yet Teen
done; but when the matter came to be considered he would
give due notice to the House.
Mr. KENNEIiY declared the answer of the Noble Lord was
perfectly satisfich‘ry.
Mr. W. SMITH- moved for an account of all Extents in Aid
issued from the Exchequer.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER wished, the
mmotion po,tponei.
Mr. W. SMITiI thought it a motion of course, but he
would postpone it. till Friday next, and then be would more
fora number ofPapers relative to the way in which the tilave
-Tiade k earlier' on by other nations. He understood they
would Ire grant td without apposition.
Mr. H. complained of the deficient stAte.of the-

Weights and Measures, ghd wished to know whether any
thing was to be done to amend them.
Sir G_ CLERK said, -the Committee would soon make its
Beloit t Oil this suhjtct.
Lord .1. IIViSELL moved for leave to bring in a Bill to cx-
chide-the Borough of .Grampound from the Elective Franchise,
and•to give it to Leeds.--Leave vas then given.