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present, the prilteAs of 1011 WAS tridlefig, UMW, erptakive, sad

most uncertain. Its evils had never been exceeded. Could any
country in Europe sit down content under such a state of civil
law ? The criminal had been by every body condemned u severe be-
yond reason, and in every respect improper to exist in a Christian
country. One other topic, and he should have done. He meant
the state of Ireland. Any man, looking round him, anxious to
select that place upon the globe most subject to misgovernment,
would, at once, select Ireland as the unhappy spot. While the
present system was pursued it was impossible that the people of
that country could obtain a full and equal share of those rights to
which, as British subjects, they were entitled. Minister had
not, on the present occasion, advised his Majesty to recommend a
single measure, even of enquiry, into the present state of, Ireland.
Was it to be tolerated, that England should be obliged to keep an

army of 22,000 men continually in Ireland, in order to govern-and
keey her down in the situation of a conquered state? This army too,
be it remembered, was paid and supported by England. Why not at
once take away 15,000 of these 22,000 men ? , He maintained,
that if all the branches of unnecessary expenditure in Ireland were
cut off, a saving of no less than three millions would be made.
Ireland might then be made a profit, instead of being not only a
mill-stone round our neek.4 at present, but a check and impedi-.
nient hereafter.—(Hear, hear. )—The people of Ireland were led
to expect this, from whit took place in the last Parliament; and
he implored the House not to let their expectations be disappoint-
ed. Let them not go on experiencing delay after delay, until the
bitterness of hope deferred should drive them to the *my of
despair.—(Hear, hear.)—He cautioned his Majesty's Govern-
ment not to go too far in neglecting the complaints of that mis-
governed country, but at once to come boldly forward, and grant
to' them those rights which the Conotitution bestowed equally
upon all British subjects. By doing this, they would prevent
England from being any longer the shame and the scoff of Eu-
rope. Where, said all the other Europeans, is the boasted free-
dom and equality of England ? How dares she to hold herself up
as a free and generous Nation, while she denies to Ireland a
large part of her " United Kingdom," an equal participation in
her rights and privileges.—(Hear, hear.)?--It was the duty of
Parliament to call upon Ministers not to delay a single hour thti
removal of, this foul injustice to Ireland, and of this blot
upon the English character.--(Hear, hear, hear.)—The Right
Honourable Gentleman had talked of the commanding posi-
tion to which we had attained, and in which we were maintained
by our present enormous standing army ; but, gracious God !
were famine in some parts of the country, and anarchy iu others,
the price at which' we were to attain this commanding pre-
eminence? Let Government place England and Ireland upon the
same footing, and then they Might secure the co-operation of
some of the boldest and warmest hearts in the country. As there
was nothing in the Address to which, as far as it went, he had
any objection, he should, with the leave of the House, move that
the following Resolutions be tacked to it, by way of addition, in-
stead of moving them as an Amendment, and thereby excluding
the Address altogether. The Hon. Member then read the follow-
ing Resolutions :
" That we rejoice with his Majesty in the happy understand-
ing that subsists between his Majesty and Foreign Powers ; and
confide in the continuance of a peace which it promises for many
years'to be the interest both of the Sovereigns and the Nations to
maintain. And we the snore rejoice in this state of public affairs,
because it takes' away all ground and pretext for maintaining a
large standing army, which we cannot help regarding with ex-
treme jealousy, as being contrary to the spirit of our Institutions.
" That we should ill discharge the duty we owe to his Ma-
jesty, if we did not direct his most serious attention to the present
condition of his faithful people, which we are hound to represent
as one of grievous suffering and privation, unequsdled, perhaps, in
this country; and as inconsistent with its peace as with its happi-
ness and prosperity.
" That the situation of the country, with an embarrassed trade,
a greatly declining revenue, and an enormous debt, does not warrant
the longer continuance of the expence at present incurred in the
support of the Pensions, Sinecures, and the different Establish-
ments of his Majesty's Government.
" That we most respectfully represent to his Majesty, that an
excessive taxation, disproportionate to the reduced value of pro-
perty, and to the diminished return for the capital employed in the
land, in manufactures, and in commerce, is a principal cause of the
existing distresses ; and in order to relieve his Majesty's loyal,
peaceable, and suffering people, his faithful Commons will proceed
immediately to the examination and revision of every Establish-
ment at home and abroad, from the highest to the lowest, with the
view of effecting the largest possible reductions consistent with the
security of the Commonwealth.
" To assure his Majesty, that we fully appreciate the progress
made by the late Parliament, in removing the restrictions on Trade
and Commerce. But we at the same tune ileeply lament that his
Majesty has MA lien adVitit,4l to .:all our 'immediate attention to tine
repeal of those injurious Laws, which 'prevent a Free Trade in
Corn, so essentially necessary to the sustenance and comfort of the
People, and to the prosperity of the State ; and to assure his Ma-
jesty, that we will proceed, without the least delay, to the consi-
deration of that most important subject.
To congratulate his Majesty on the progress made in the
last Parliament," in the revision of the Civil and Criminal Laws,
and to assure his Majesty that this House will assiduously direct
their attention to the further correction of the severity of the
Criminal Laws, and to the revision of a system in which a great
degree of uncertainty exists as to men's rights, and under which
justice can only be obtained at an enormous expense, and with
vexatious delay.
" To express to his Majesty the necessity of our taking into
early coissideration the Constitution of this House, with a view of
rendering it what it ought to be—the real representative of the
people, instead of its being, as at present, to a considerable ex-,
tent, the representative ;of partial interests, and of a compare-
tisi,ely small number of individuals.
" To express to his Majesty our regret that his Majesty has not
bets advised to recommend the state of Ireland to the consi-
deration of this House ; and to assure his Majesty, that of all the
subjects of our deepest interest, there is none we have more at
heart than the oppressed and alarming condition of the Irish nit-
iinn. Excluded from their rights as Britith subjects, for no other
crime than an adherence to the worship of their fathers, their
feelingis are excited and exasperated; and, while the majority of
the people are stigmatised and degraded for their religion, the
nation enjoys neither mutual confidence nor domestic quiet; and
must- continue in a state of disaffection, discord, and anarchy,
until theirgrievances are redressed.
" That your faithful Commons further regard with the most
.
serious apprehension, the continuance of a policy which prod's**
in the Irish people a feeling of hostility to the English Govern
ment, inconsistent with that unity of interest which should subsist
in'an united Kingdom ; and this House will, therefore, take into
immediate consideration the best means for Speedily redressing their
grievances, as the only effectual 'mode of conciliating their affec-
tions, and inseparably cementing the union of the two countries,"
" To' thank his Majesty for having been graciously pleased to
call Parliament together at this early period, that with these
im-
portant labours and duties in eOnteMplation, we may have tinge to
make the requisite inquiries into all the estimates before the usual
time of voting the 'supplies of the year."
Mr. MARSHALL (of Yorkshire) said, it was not his wish to
trespass at much length upon the time of the House, but he begged
their attention while he,atlverted shortly to the great distress which
prevailed in that part of the country in which lie lived.—(Hear,
hear.)--,WWlad now been for a considerable period in the enjoy-
ment of a profound peace ; and yet in his own neighbourhood
(that of Leeds) the working classes were reduced to the most un-
equalled suffering. He was sure he was expressing the. ahnost
unenimous opinion of the great County which lie represented,
when he urged the immediate attention of Parliatnent to the press.
ing distresses under which the manufacturing districts laboured.—
(Hear, bear.)--Ile begged to second the motion.
The original Address, together with the: addition of the Hon

itletnbe
rAtibAr:inttir,usey
r,ose bnihavi—he:n and pot by the
Speaker,
taut
Members leaving their placer, prevented him
rrie::"::nmeeldibeybilf:rgt:htneltlenfid4rsitsl.t.
heard. The 'lnn. Alember went on , to express his regret at
finding, by the King's,Speech, thta:::::118a or
nCevnoph:lmli:
ised his
Majesty to recommend any inquiry MU',
trews admitted to exist in the coulltrY. it indeed been
stated by the night trotionr;ilil..
that it Was
the intention of 'Ministers to pro Pow, a l'ennane"t law with res-
pect to the inti,aluetion Of Con. lie had fieely offered to give
his hes't support Oct tlie buelt fixed ilnties as would
allow a free import 1101 export ln,bicet to tliaw duties ? But then,
he asked the Itigltt I 10,.10i rid& CitelltiernaTl (Alr. Ihiskisson); why
siii.lidarei;ailiteete)otttrcteiodoo‘trviiiiiriclf:.ol.l.llßgriniaenglothlind..t
f,,tnyi w; .not I e intention to do M, now was
„, dui; 1[01k:W; 1!Y/ wits it not so stated
e n.,t, ID: would ask, did that Speech
WORM the words of his Hun. and Learned
OW. ,
Jig It pledged the titillw tO
--notiiiog. It pltalged iqinistersto—nothiug_t liear, besr,hear.)
The oppressed state of Ireland he conceive(' to he a subject coiling
ffult itoroediate and serious consideration. With respect
to the King's Sperch, lie firmly believed that there never was n
Speech from the Throne, liss likely ro le:el the people to antici.,.
pate any ronedy for the distresses nod,' V‘141(41 they labOured.
To come back again to his original position—the only real relief

taltoblebeumnaffnosenter,
esjeapsraosrtypoMthexousepeened;a:triutereolirf:sa bniY.eita.titiuoredinsistlie:.fftla°inrs:orwatartmedat;uuencthn. In
'necessary was it,' then, in a period of distress like theioninporide!
would, in a few days,
sent ? If the original Address was carried, no doubt Par-
liament.
ere,wlyhitachltingweolgralid granter ofsupbenirliaattillOto,oothoe,ionooa/t.
be adjourned over the lioli-
doialys,t—heMl'i....l:tiimter*atenis,
a future period.' But if they carried the proposed Resolu-
tions of
.his Hon. Friend (Mr. Hume) then they might go ou
.sitting, and thus they would have plenty, of time to examine .the
Estimates minutely before they granted a single vote. He did not
wish to detain. the House further than by expressing . his cordial
co-operation in the motion of his Hon. Friend.
Mr. DAWSON (ef Louth) and Sir FRANCIS BURDETT
rose together, but the former baying first caught the Speaker's
eye, the latter gave way.
Mr. DAWSON said, that as an Irish Member, speaking from
his own experience of the suite of Ireland, he could net but most
sensibly deplore the measures which were at present followed with
regard to that country. He sympathised with the feelings of the
Mover and Seconder of the Address, with the feelings of the
House, and with those expressed by his Majesty at the distresses of
the people of England ; but while he did so, he could not buildnt that those feelings had been expressed by his Majesty
me
regard to his subjects in Ehgland only, and had not been expressed
with regard to Ireland. He thought it was the Imuuden tluty
of his Majesty's Ministers, who ought to know, and who must
have known, the real situation of that country, pot only frog, the
official communications of the Lord Lieutenant, but from other
quarters, to have recommended some measure,/ upon the subject--
(Hear, hear.)—He said ought to know, because he thought
they were as much bound:to know and:te consider the state of
the pepole of Ireland, as they were to be acquainted with the dis-
tresses in Maitchester and the other manufacturing districts io
tolaifitaeatnhaottutheceorbosurni nature,--distresses England. In Ireland they certainly did not at present feel the
same evils as those which afflicted tide country, at least as far as
the necessaries of life were concerned ; but then they felt distresses
and man, which rendered it disagreeable to live there ; and while
that circumstance continued, he was persuaded it was ia vain for
sEtphaiiirltaithairtoddi—ige:xhitHheebaitrtiitloh:eeas::;o.t—iemeHrndeanistrenrcee:,.pcsaestaseod
persons in this country to think of remedying the evils a Indeed
t
by pouring English capital into her towns, and by repeetetilY d"
e--4thoefreevliseetxtressfs et:sldalaw"lslihernht oliiitnYieseduredtrtanhetgerrhee—:etitilltr,aerYt'svileeE'ea:dir.l:)ig—sit:
loudly urging her landlords to live there, and cultivate the same,
do all this, while an man might ask another, " What
.iiitt
your religion—(Cheers)?" It was for this reesou, he sal ,
oovltrAcdt
atnuifehioteteigrlamei:i:n)githf)l,:mtfnitiws:ll t
leoetalcilonnavr
ssmi
opinionsditnnalt
si,,ellyalat measure
j,t especially
for the attention of the Legislature, yet be did e'en think that the
distresses of Ireland—particularly those to which he had alluded
Secretary to deny, that it was the intention of his NlajestY'l
gel:lU evnalei
ini
r.oot
sion—he should have gone further, and have positively recow
the state of this country, and of that House, who did tiles kw*
I,:hiet wconunliddrYhe
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(Hear, hear, hear.)—lt had been said by some persons, that. no
e
ng
(Mr. I)awson) did entreat the Right lion. Secretary toise wise
talents, and to make them available for the purpose a
_,hr
cifying that portion of the British Empire situated so net!,_,„`"-
own, and connected with us in so intimate a degree...4°T'
hear, hear. )_Since lie had come to London, he had lion,
the Newspapers, that some parties had arisen in Ireit,„tP"
and bad openly declared at public meetings there, a wish er, t
there should be a civil war ; and had said, " we coilhis"
....iebt
Per
those who are opposed to us would take up arms, that we i
crush them." These parties too bad said, that they Wildoi.f°,:i
a civil war, and had boasted, that even without the eesistaaeld
ii England, they would destroy their opponents. He befievetl ".00-t
this violent party-spirit had been exhibited iu Armagh; Ilk• -
only there, but in other places ; that these wishes bad beef 4'l
praised at public meetings, and at dinners, where Inert 11' 'A'
t
they wished for bloodshed in the country, that they
down their antagonists, and have the country to themselves,
~,:li
govern it agreeably to their own opinions.—( 'fer, lielir.--tive
the other hand, he knew there were perso"' wi'''"liii' " isity:'
e you yet'
will not have a civil war now we arc not ree"Y "li. ~..., 0a
but at a future time we shall be,amid '
you must take care wee. yr
elm"
Were
Min6ter3'•in who hail& the safety of the couentruy
was placed, to shut their eyes to 'le knowledge sit these cir u -
stances, and to overlook that grand principle of true State:l)o_o—'o
the reconciliation of men of all opinions in society to each °Oeg:
and the cabling every mush to exercise- 1,10 peculiar talenti, wiLa
ther in trade or otherwise, for his own individual bene6t--•
not only for his own individual benefit, but for the adeautse ,
the country at large, without any regard to his religioasild
nions? ' The differences to which he had already alluded '4O to
in Ireland to au alarming degive, and such discontents eol,
ope.
have been made the subject of a communication trout tbe Tlir
they
He repeated, it was not enough for Aliniatexs to, say that
t.e
did not wish to preclude, any Member from introdociutg
.v4_
subject to the House, nor that they were not bound theni ,r.,::,
to propose any specific measure. He did not ask them 00,07_
specific measures ; he only said, that'they ought to ba!etro
tiles ,
might isui.
mended Parliament to take the subject of Ireland ut spe,
consideration. Would that have been introducing °,Y matte
fic measure ? Certainly not. And yet, surely there tve'teo Aso
rials.enough furnished by every packet from Irelend! 0 midi-
thitt something ought at once to be done to auteliorat* thut eeee°-
tion of that country. Much had been said to-night abut i''l' of
thy.. No doubt economy was a most excellent vi
the : i'ility ef
they spoke of economy, they should recollect that u
tb,iiia 'liot oP
the empire Ought to be properly supported. Yet he the
-,, ogy,
to say anything against the practice of economy : on tbe '
9j Bt
he agreed with the Hon. Member near him, who lieu aiTt in die
his Majesty's Ministers might attend to economy witPuntire,--
least degree sacrificing the dignity or the safety of tl e empire but
lie did not mean to recomtrieud the disbandment °idle a
rid
the
he thought that Ministers might in a great degree geticited with
necessity of their services, by making the peoPlo ee`'l° ari!iug
their conditions. ' 'There were not only convideratit!u_t,nverre
from the interual state of Ireland sufficient to induce ttl..."t there
inent to think upon the condition of that couutryin",",,iteiou-
were other reasons equally powerful arising front ester I°,e,''. est
us lank round to those
btAlleell, and from our connections with Foreign l'evs proceedl
ijets t!.,
to compose the religious differences of their low their oil)
did not encoUrage or permit any F"rti°!' m'it're the other!!
jests to strive, on religious principles, to Io__ ally el
or e non,"'t er
on to do any thing that would either crest
of
• of tie' preset) pi! 0
feeling among them. What was lithe cause
ong the still°
ful state of the various countries in world, en, . ,‘,„t toil
of which religious differences existed? It WAS ttUI that 00
one lied the same political rights, and !night etel)°Ytoee of the
legal remedies. America was a peculiarly strong twilit
said,
xiii,
excellence of this conduct.' Ile knew that it alight 1 ittoot t 0
powers and see bow tilley ,
inerica was a new country; bit he did not admit that 3i'tgiii iftegi
have any weight ; for he thought, that whet tetat;ju d 40 0:1,
and sensible in theory, would equally ,xpotY tat all tane led to, "°
countries.—(hear, bear.)—But if AftierlCA WO Obit4Bile 014
j would go to France. In that country there ye" ee h°6,? 1310e°
between the. Catholics and Protestants. Antl why cleattot? 000'
the Government had acted on that wise princiPle, ~,tieetti °t.
ability for holding any public office, no loss of anY I"'"1, of hi*
• civic rights, shoubl be suffered by any Citizen on eceau_l p, jolt
religious °Pinions. France, Catholic France, bad not.7o7ofor
that, but she had gone farther ; and while she afforded ,ortiejs
Nuffitient revenue for the support of the Proteeta°t t' to the I`J4'.
tent nutintenent to her Catholic Clergy, she lied alelertaey in etr
Empire,—(Hear, hear.)--From France be would go ral of
therlands, and there we might see au exatepli..hajoilie
our attention., His Majesty the King of the r4.,..e!'ri,selia,
little more than three weeks sloe*, had opened .1' en that
in which our Gracsous Sovereign (to white he since rely,,teepetl
a continuance of health and prosperity) had, this tlay,ro. ,(hilt
the new l'arliantent here, anal,. in that MPewl'' s ()it°.
of the Netherlands coograttdated them that all religoetconwout,
merit with a Speech, in a manner somewhat sinter wieeeil
,ions in his kingdom were at an, end, owing to stonew_ii,f dis
cations which ly taken placelbetween the Clor,".j, test,
Netherlands and the See of Rome; and had further orro
that theY would
in his. dominions, no difference should be hufferot to exist
)1
0` f'• ibe
his Catholic and Proteatant subjects,. 'rile Priellin oleo be
Church of England were founded upon, a rack. - If he tor
lieved in those principles, and believed in them beeetoe be
sidered them to'be true, how soda he fear
shaken by anything? But the truth was, they:eare., be" ioe
to church principles. .what, then, did men lea vion't 11%, Irk
jured ? The church temporalities ?..--(Clieers.)--Ba r:!.no ;
for the church teruparilitits?. They were all in thelt,•ol7l„ tots
all he asked wnot that Government would torieh the
,c_
, as, C sth ties and ."" . :b
temporalities, but that they %void!) Put the .''
e —.le fear veb"
testents of Ireltind upon tlie sone equal footnig, T , , , 000
itiali Mordfrited when 'any proposal a atili, kill(' was
,lAiAif,
_.,04,1
not from any real dread- that the principle* of the Utorch w

be injured, but from the extreme sensitiveness of the clergy with re-
gard to their temporal advantages—a sensitiveness which the clergy
had manifested from the very beginning of the world, whenever
they thought their temporalities were threatened.—(Clieers.)-110
though that he had now made out a sufficient case, to show that
Ministers ought to have recommended to the House the discussion
of the state of Ireland, and having done so, he should proceed to say
a few words upon the other parts of the Speech.. He thought,
then, that ate Corn Laws, as they now stood, were prejudicial in
their effects upon the country. That they ,Were so, was proved
by the fact that the Ministers had been obliged, in the course of
the last year, to propose their temporary abolition. He trusted
they had now something specific to submit to the House regard-
ing these laws, as be thought the subject ought to have been ma-
tared by them during the vacation. The Hon. Member conclud-
ed by expressing his thanks to the House for the attention with
which they had heard hint, and sat down amidst loud cheery'. •
Mr. WESTERN began making some observations upon
the Corn Lawi, respecting which, be said, it was impossible
that the House could be expected to come to a sweeping con-
demnation of a system which had already acted so well. When-
ever the question of the Corn Laws was discussed, he trusted
it would be treated with calmness and temper. One Honour-
able Member had this night made a most ungrounded assertion re-
specting the landlords, when he said that the Landed Gentlemen
Wished for the continuance of the present Corn Laws only that
they might throw off the public burdens from their own shoul-
ders upon those of the other classes of society. That statement
seat 'founded on a prejudice, which lie (Mr. Western) must
`HeT agreed with those who had deprecated the
11o4Onernent of the question ; and, he believed, be might say,
that that was almost the only part of the amendment with which
he did fully agree. Ile thought the House ought to give a more
specific promise than they had yet given, that they would promote
retrenchment by all possible roma; though he must say, at
the same time, that he would not reduce the Army Esta-
blishment so much as to disable them front acting in defence of
our ally, Portugal, if she should be attacked by any Foreign
Power. He confessed, he was not One of those who would
entirely separate the interests of this country from the Con-
tinent ; nor would ' he consent to lessen her means of main.
4141" R the intl!lenee: she now possessed, in (such a mine
t,'," se to maintain the rights, the independence, and the
"herties of other countries. lie thought that the House
ought to lend' itself to inquire into the causes of the commercial
as well as the agricultural distresses of this country. That they
should also pledge themselves to take into consideration the state
of Ireland in the manner recommended by the Hon. Member
(Mr. Dawson, of Louth), who bad this night addressed them for
the first time, and had given the House a very favourable speei-
Mee of the powers he posseased: (Hear.) Time Address, he ob-
Served, referred to a topic which lie had mentioned more than
"ace in the last Parliament, and which, if he had sufficient health
sad strength, be would again press on their most serious consider-
tition—he alluded to the state 'of the currency. He was con-
vinced that all the dangers cif our situation last year, and all the
distresses now existing, were attributable to the vicious state of
the currency ; and till the criffeney Was placed on a better foot-
ings' be feared we should again he liable to toffer the same cala-
reifies as before. A better regulated currency would pre-
teat those fluctuations of price and those altercations of pros-
)" rity and adversity 'which had happened in every period
%nee the peace in ' 1815. That which made our taxes
155 high was, that tirey, were now paid in double the
alnould of the value of money in which they had been imposed.
If the taxes now paid were paid only in the same currency in
Ihich they had been paid during the last ten years of the war, we
41::14 feel them light mot air, he had almost said, but certainly not
ru vy enough to press us as we were now pressed by the taxes.
teat unfortunate measure of altering the currency, he attri-
t'uted all the calamities that had occurred since the peace. He
Was anxious to support the Amendment, but he could not do it
iinieto that part of it which referred tn.the Corn Laws was altered.
that alteration took place, lie did not knensithat he should refuse
it him support.
Air. Alderman WATTHMAN wished to make a few observe-
'''ns Upon the question now before the House. One extraordi-
-14,17 thing in the Speech was the total omission of all those things
Ileich ought to have once under the consideration of the House.
man could dispute that the present distresses of this country
mere equal to any which the country had suffered at any former
titre.
If the Corn Question should come under discussion, he
should certainly give his vote in favour of the Amendment. He
believed that Ministers had gone right in their liberal system, hut
be thought that they had not gone far enough. He wished to call
Peettention of the House to a fact relating to land. During the
rite war, the price of land had risen One-half, if not one-third, in
rh'Alae. Other commodities had advanced very much, and complaint
wi,then been made that the price of labour had not kept pace
LT. the rise of other commodities. Materials and manufactures
per- ;we the last ten yeare, suffered a reduction of SO'br 40
sAi one
ant
had t;
Land had, in the meantime, increased in value.
decreased the value of funded property to the
Mir" nearly one-fourth, and having: done so, they ought
114. continue to uphold the price of land ; but they did
41tholigh that price had risen forty per cent., when every
k" but landholder suffered loss under the present system, it
as
impossible that distress should not be creattal. Parliament
titrt to take special notice of the spirit of gambling and specula-
then. which had been the ruin of thousands. In the year 1720,
todiatits by scheming Companies was very dreadful, but he ha-
11nothing in asserting, that the loss in the schemes of last
Itt;tr,:ii a eingle Company alone, had equalled the loss created by
I,_"e.e bubbles in 1'720. The 'Ministers of that day had caused a
tamation to be published' to put au end to these schemes, and
,geeParliametit had afterwards passed a Bill to prevent them.
spi2nitati been no Proclamation in the present year, although the
44",',111 speetilation had been raging for some time past. He
1,4_ glit it necessary to mention these matters, because he
vi re:
.the House would feel it its duty to institute some inquiry,
knd was found that such baneful effects had been produced,
11,. wheal a spirit of gambling had been svread from one end of
oittee wary to another, which had been the ruin of thousando—
hear. )---At the same time, he was sorry to observe that the
would lee one of extreme delicacy and difficulty, because time
,s.,'"'esof many of the Honourable Members of this House, and of
v7ttom otherwise of distinction in, the country, were connected
tth these schemes; he I .
r""tlY, though not barmail in many caaes, that they had hum-
lota, nor perhaps altogether blamelessly,
"It desk cotintenance,
ts!ly.they would be able to ireerattit. when OA otivsnrtunity_ WAS t!tiord-
erns4imes entirely front any impu.-
744' ef trickery to which the;prtmjcsetoris might be liable. If it
here L Proposimal to place one Honourable Member in the 'situation
ktula before occupied assn Officer of the House 1 (Mr. Waitii-
) for one should feel his
th
n• duty to call upon hum 'for a full
etr;ca tiro before he concurred in that proposal. He would not
a„nh:ea,te further into the subject, as ample opportunities would
,sora`rt. hereafter, he afforded for going into ,it fully and mi-
-4„% 111111.9GDEN, after expreating his wish that the llnn. Al-
this ea previously informed him of his intention to advert to
tooot
a,sneous topic, proceeded in time following tours admit
titif Ild(Ml)tedly that come under the deseCiption of a paean
tve;:thinately fly,
to enter into speculations—the objects of
'l'emmeeb-i",erfLulnim'4l4:tv'rsion. The spirit to which the Hon. Al-
t'aell vet.e oimonny, e4:;•lose front excessive circulation, from the
speculations were absurd, IT' 'kw rate of interest. Many of these
Lae
to connect myself with aoneY,, 'lcferious, and it was my miefor-
st that Company were brought ruin. title latter. When the measures
t!ttors, was coneiclered as culpal:l:""iew' as one of the Di-
se the reut. A Committee
'4.! appointed immediately, told the
~,,rietly
and
laiantaik ;
.rereivifi.prozettall
tthoc;iiiiimliousieredmireoestt
7;thoonials of their full conviction of mylin
,the Counnithee was presented to a General"h"lnce:
1740 tors the Pro-
, The Report
and that Report War. unanimously eonflertnT-gml°f
f the Coto an was atthseque"tlY caned, th ret'innv
14i to found to have been implicated in tranaactione hick I Di.
ad
t° have been nefarious ; the Report of the Committee waset:
' c'ctaxma
llously (tnough not entirely so,' as some persons were
4411 tmliY
anxidus to inculpate me, in order to relieve them-
wt,t;'') adopted. The 'ninth wag, that the offendiug Direetors
rettmved ; and unit of two hundred persons who voted,
tht. by themselves or by proxy, only seven were opposed to
thttsteeolutien. 'Owing to some trifling irregularity, another
Wist,tticwas subsequently culled; and, although I had been the
sdehf2uttinch Anise, the decision of the previous Meeting was
P' and other Directors were substituted fur those very pro-
their 1'41°94 These Directors, since they came in, have shown
lug,
of the propriety of the conduct of the former
and have placed'me unanimously in the Chair of the
to CY. The very name of the Arigna Conipany had become
duty Ph
wouldng' to my feelings, that nothing but strong sense of
uhl have induced me to undertake this office; but have
ettnk .
,over th.
en
and Imiipe„ with tine assistance of others,' to re-
enit'e• L'outparry from the condition into which it has' unbap.•
uhf'n; I beg to tell time lion. Member that it is not a
ia'lia.4lthatigh I became 'acquainted with it during the pre..
4trie 'ages mammy others, wiser than myself, also fell into the'
.rros ,
and perlmaps I might have some predisposition in fit.:
*ith edti malady of the time. Every one of the Companies
helve been concerned have mot only been defensible
eras t" gran ndSt' but; with one or two exceptions, advan-
tido , the publio and profitable to the parties. The Strand
t'bcr 011' rairdY an exception, but I was not the original insti-
tit undertaking I came into it several years after-

wards,. and, none of the unfortunate results can fairly be imptited
to me. It would be ridiculous in me to affect to suppose that I
was not alluded to by the Honourable Member ou the first day
when this. Parliament assembled, and no. man feels more sin-
cere regret that the allusion was thought necessary. Although
I despise compliments undeservedly paid, I had hoped to
escape this implied censure. (Here the Honourable Gentle-
man paused, apparently unable to proceed, and was generally
cheered by the House.) lam not mistaken that the Hon. and
Gallant Member (Sir Joseph Yorke). referred to me; and to him
I ,reply, that I have engaged in no Company for my own advan-
tage to the prejudice of others. I have been concerned in, various
schemes of the kind, not of very modern date. I was one of the
original proprietors of the West India Dock Company, and it is
only in these latter days that such an odium has been cast upon
Joint Stock undertakings. Good God ! let those, who so vehe-
mently•abuse them first look round and observe what the country
owes to Joint Stock Companies. Ido not deny, that in the hot-
bed of the circulation of the year before last, a great many absurd
and nefarious speculations did spring up, and in some of the pro-
jects I was certainly concerned ; but the List that has been publish-
ed is very incorrect, and I have been named a Member of Asso-
ciations to which I never belonged. Some that are bubbles, let
it be remembered, are bubbles of an ancient date the Entern
Company, and the Russian Company, have been established ever
since the reign of Queen Anne. My appointment to the
Chair of the Arigna Company, on the occasion to which I have
referred—under the circumstances—Was more gratifying to my
feelings, let me obserVe, than my nomination to the Chair of the
Committees of this House. I considered it the public proof of my
'fredom from imputation. I call for the full investigation of my
conduct, and I shall not be afraid to meet it.—(Hear hear.) I
have already passed .through the most proper tribunal ; and, when
I call to mind what the Hon. Alderman said in another place re-
garding my conduct, I assert that it is a direct and positive fait-
hood.-(Orilet ! hear. )--I speak of what occurred before the
Court -of Common Council, and I repeat that it was a direct and
positive falsehood:—.(Order, order.).
Mr. Alderman WAITIIMAN—ReaIIy, Mr. Speaker, I cannot
submit to this insult.

Mr. SPEAKER—The Hon. Member must surely, have for-
gotten himself.
Mr. BROGDEN-1 beg pardon, Sir, for having transgressed,
hut the Worthy Alderman said, in the Court of Aldermen, that I
had pocketed thousands, which, I repeat, is not true. My feelings
have been cruelly harassed by the perpetual attacks upon me in
the public papers, and, in fact, although an innocent man, these
attacks haVe nearly deprived me of my character.
Mr. Alderman WAITHMAN again interposed.
Mr. BROGDEN—The Worthy Alderman need not rise, the
direct animadversions he has thrown out, and my agitated feelings
have carried Me too far.--(Here the Honourable Member was
deeply affected. )—When he had recovered, he Arent on to state that
he had been drawn into the Arigna Company most innocently. I
will not (he said) enter into the details at present, hut the Com-
mittee reported in my favour; and as it was a most intelligent
body of men, so it was the most proper tribunal to which my
conduct could be submitted. Ido not call the Members of it im-
partial, because, when they first met, they thought my conduct as
reprehensible as that of the other Directors subsequently removed,
The Report made by them to the General Meeting, was confirmed
by that General Meeting, and my appointment to the Chair was
also approved. 'I have, perhapa, to, thank the Worthy Alderman
for affording me this unexpected opportunity of vindication, and
1 will here take the liberty of reading the Report of the Committee,
by which my acquittal was recorded. On the very first notice of
the proceedings in Chancery, I was informed by the Solicitor,
that although I was included, it was the unanimous opinion
of the Committee that I was not at all implcated. The Hon.
Gentleman here read the Report, dated February 2, 1826,
which declared that Mr. Brogden, throughout these affairs,
has acted with the strictest integrity."l In addition, I
have the corroborating testimony of the Chairman of the
Company, that up to the month of July, I was not cog-
nizant of the proceedings of the guilty parties. Conscious of toy
own purity, 1 am most anxious that my conduct should be exa-
mined in every way. For two Parliaments I have sat in the
Chair of the Committees of this House ; it is certainly a place of
great favour, but not of that dignity to which some gentlemen
seem disposed to raise it : the duties belonging to it are laborious,
and I have endeavoured, to the utmost of my power to discharge
them with impartiality.—(Hear, hear.)—l intieat the House to
give its attention to the whole matter, and before it condemns, to
give me an opportunity of proving my innocence..,—(Hear, hear.)
—I am placed in a very painful situation, and i do not wish to
follow the example of those of whom I complain, fix inculpating
persons who are not present. The most competert tribunal has
already pronounced a verdict in my favour, and four or five Public
Meetiugs have confirmed that decision. Instead of being con-
demned, I ardently hope to be again placed in the Chair of the
Cothmittees of this. Howse.—(Muoh cheering.)
Alderman WAITIIMAN, in explanation, begged to assure the
Hon. Member that he had never used the words imputed to him.
What be had stated in the Common Council was this :—that an
Hon. Member was connected with various transactions of this
Company, which ought, at the proper time, to be investigated.
If the Hon. Gentleman could then complete his vindication, no
man would be more happy than he (Alderman Waithmau)
would consider himself. The length of time he luul known him,
although not intimately, would afford sufficient evidence that be
was governed by no personal animosity. Had he intended to
bring the subject forward to-night in such a way as to call for an
answer, he would have taken care to intimate as much to the
Hon. 'Member.

Mr. BROGDEN said that he applied the strong expression he
had used to the report in the newspaper of what purported to
have fallen from the Hon. Member in the Court of Comnion
Council. He had never taken the trouble to contradict it till
now, and he was sorry that he had been carried away by the
warmth of his feelings.
Sir JOSEPH YORKE did not at all like to be lugged in, as
he had been, in the middle of the King's Speech—(Hear, and
laughter.) What he had said on the first day had been dictated
on the spur of the moment, and when as many cardinal virtues
were athibuted to the Speaker as there were points in the cona-
piuiv—(Hear, hear.) If the Speaker were so immaculate, it
seemed to him that a proportionate degree of purity ought to
belong to the Chairman of Committees. If Ministers were satis-
fied, he was;. only the charge, as it reached him, was, that the
Honourable Gentleman was one of the Directors of the Arigna
Iron and Coal CoMpany, which was to supply all Ireland, and
perhaps all the rest of the world, with those valuable commodi-
ties; that the Directors had bought of a Mr. 'Flattery (a very flat-
tering name) property for which they gave 10,0001., and that by
charging it at the rate of 25,000/. to the Proprietors of the
Company, they had pocketed 15,000/. The Honourable Gentle-
man was accused of pocketing 1,041/. as bis, share, and when
caned upon to refund it, he refused, and kept :it to this very mo-
ment.--( Hear, hear.)

Mr. LiROGDEN Said, there could be no doubt that this charge
was true, of certain mentbei.s of the Company : unquestionably
certain Directors only paid 10,00 W. fear what was charged
25,0001. to the general body of Proprietors, but he had bad
nothing to do with such a nefarious transaction. When first re-
quested to belong to the Arignit Company, in September, 1b24,
he refused. He had mining property in Wales of his own, and
to that he had gone' down, after he had made up his mind and
sent in his determination. While in Wales, he received a letter
front the Chairman of the Company, not requesting him to join
it, but to inquire the character of the concern, of a person in his
neighbourhood, well acquainted with the subject. He had done
so, and had found the prospects of the speculation so Iljateriug,
that, in an evil moment, he was induced to open it letter he bad
sealed, and to write word that he would become a Proprietor. He
had heard no more upon the subject until the :January following,
when he found that he had been named a Director of the Company.
At the first Meeting a deed of settlement of the property, on a
stamp, for 25,000/., was laid before the Directors, and for that
sum drafts were made upon the bankers, so that he had no suspi-
cion of the fraud of which three or four parties had been guilty..
It was only brought to light by the conduct of Mr. flattery, who
impeached the conduct of some of the individuals, because they
v(ctintld not agree to further terms le was anxious, to horse.
Iti;rfito7i t,elt.i:elevatreer, yiatnlia,yiivrthe truth was discovered, a meeting of the
convened. On that very day, lie and Mr. Bent
stated to the prokie‘ tors all they had dOne in connection With this
believed that 0 aceful business.
tTmheadfreauutultlivi
isui3cro,trianmdittiedi
the discovery was no •
guilty parties put the whole looney into their
dared most in, or ila:aeed eatimy absolved from any; participation
distinctly• do with it. in
the Court of kat he had bad nothing to
°I. this disgrareful transaction.; •and he now de-
anriaerntte4o'f taintedhad sworn to the truth of what he now
but could not impliamae°ll.waY.• They admitted their own guilt,
had not dared to state (11;it lie was cog-
M FE ROHS ON Waigni.--(tiear.)
this first Occasion,
.of the Address. On the grea; which lie should 'vote in favour
as with the promise that the Ron
eatified with the aesurarice of
tltegro,„`,ll""us of stating, very briefly, on
uestion of the Corn Laws be was
fraudieni:nrin}'Pl' el sw
1110;ntltie9trix:40111fetG1111:::11inteltioi't:,:b:e:elaistaili'entiloti
lfso-
ile
el ilim:lnelnnbtailb::ot I......;;°:nthuhsgetiadltD'etrhijibiBe'tneei4taoeinnel en°°dgboPiall'eint,'tta:::;:°a:*"chteet'nh eni t ufl uaait'l:l4ibbile°i :itdiav:e de
ns
""") the Reduction of Expeodi-

titre,. the Alteretion of the Corn Laws, the Reform of Parliament,
the Emancipation of the Catholics, and the Abolition of Sinecures
and Pensions. With regard to the Roman Catholics, he felt, at
present, that no political disabilities ought to attend upon spiri-
tual belief ; but if the question on the Corn Laws were now put,
he felt, in his conscience, as an hottest Member, that he was not
in a condition to vote ; it required long study and painful invests
tigation. On the other topics, he was not at all prepared to offer
an opinion.
Sir ROBERT WILSON observed, that the great object wits
not to look at every subject with referenee to the interests of par-
ticailar classes ; but with a view to the advantage of the natims at
large. He gave the highest credit to the Mover of the Address,
for the distinctness of his statemente---for the proper sympathy
which he had expressed for the distressea of the manufacturing and
commercial classes of the community; but, above all, for that in-
dependent spirit, which he had in some particulars evinced. The
Honourable Gentleman had considered the, Speech under four dif-
ferent heads ; Ist, The indemnity claimed by Ministers for per-
mitting the importation of certain kinds ofgrain, before the period
allowed by Parliament--and no doubt that indemnity ought to be
granted. 2dly, The termination of the Burmese war--.and
with respect to that, he admitted, that however question-
ably the policy which originated that war, the manner in
which it was conducted and terminated reflected high
honour on the troops by whom it hid been carried to
so successful a termination. As to the third and fourth points,
viz. our foreign relations and the prevention of hostilities, he must
go somewhat more at large into these particulars. With respect
to our foreign relations and interference with the affairs of the
continent, he held a very different opinion from that of the
Worthy Member for Montrose, who appeared to think that we
ought to have nothing to do with the disputes of these Foreign
Powers, but to apply all our attention to the husbanding of our
own resources. He (Sir R. Wilson) had been educated in a very
different school, for he held it to be a sacred duty of the Govern-
ment of this country to interfere with the policy of foreign natious,
and preserve, as far as depended on them, the balance of power in
Europe. He certainly could not forget the services .which the
Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Canning) had, in some particulars,
rendered to his country. That Right lion. Gentleman had raised
his country front a state of great general obloquy to a state of great
public reputation—and he himself must, when lately in Paris,
have experienced the highest veneration of his friends, and the ie.,
sped even of those who had been his greatest adversaries, in his
efforts for severing the Holy Alliance, and for other valuable mea-
sures which be had carried into effect, and lie must have been
greatly encouraged in following up his own system. But the Right
lion. Gentleman knew the French and other Governments of Eu-
rope as well as be (Sir Robert) did ; and he also knew well, that
although ninth had been done, much:still remained to be done; mid
he must say that the state of Europe, instead of being of a very
encouraging, was of a most unsatisfactory nature, and the cause
of a very great expenditure to this country. The Right lion.
Gentleman bad adverted to the state of Spoilt and Portugal, and
told the Mouse of the effects which had taken place in these coun-
tries; but he had said nothing about the cause. It had been bet-
ter if the Right lion. Gentleman had been able to tell the House,
that the cause of those effects had ceased to operate, and that
France had ceased to act contrary to her independence, and had
at last withdrawn her troops from Spain. The present apathy of
this country, with respect to Spain, might at last turn out to be
the cause of a ruinous expence. Would it not have been inure
manly and honourable to have interfered at once? and a statement
made by the Right lion. Gentleman himself showed the urgent
occaeiou of such an interference. A constitution, or a government
of law, had been given by the Emperor Don Pedro to the people
of Portugal, and yet the Right Honourable Gentleman had him-
self admitted, that not above three months ago, thee institutions
bad been in the most imminent danger. From whence did
that proceed. Did it not proceed from Spain acting under the
auspices of France? It was France, then, who bad been the
real director of the causes of au extremity of danger to the Por-
tuguese Constitution. Now, looking at this state of things in
the Peninsula, in the, view of economy, was it not an occasion of
great expellee to this country? Were not the fleets which this
country was bound to keep on the coasts of the Peninsula, in
consequence of Alai*, situation of affairs, a great expence to the
country ? It was impossible, under such circumstances, that this
country could place its army and 'levy on the peace establishment.
This was impossible, until France should remove her troop* from
Spain. France, if allowed to continue her occupation of Spain,
would at last support her original aggression with the whole of her
military force. .No time, therefore, ought to be lost. The Right
Hon. Gentleman had said, with a truly British feeling, that Mi-
nisters ought to be sent to the South American and other smelt
States, because the small States ought to be protected. This
policy ought also to he acted upon with respect to the great States ;
fur this country could not safely alswation all interferences with the
policy of the Continent. It witeSurth while now to say one word
with regard t* she Austrians. If the French had been three years
in the nocupation of Spoin, the Austrians had occupied Naples for
six ; and so severe was their conduct, that a very heavy penalty
was inflicted on any Neapolitan who, by the slightest gesture, ex-
hibited hostility to the Austrian sway. Then look again at the
affairs of Greece, and the conduct pursued by the French Govern-
ment with respect to that people. In Egypt 80,000 Arabs and
Nubians were. organised by means of French officers,: anal brought
into as high a state of discipline as our East Indian Sepoys. But
we had our Foreign Enlistment Act, and our Government would
not allow our officers to do the suns thing by the Greeks.
While the French went in shoals to the enemies of the Greeks,
we would not allow our officers, to go to their assistance ; and
this was disgraceful conduct in us towards a people which
ought, for so many reasons, to be so dear to Us. This was our con-
duct to them, when we saw the utmost efforts used by the Porte
and by the Pacha of Egypt, for four years, to exterminate with
the assistance of other European nations. The present Sultan
of the Sublime Porte had exhibited the utmost energy, in carry-
ing into effect his measures for the new organization of his troops.
He had shown himself a man of great ability and cunning, and
knew well how to cover the lion with the fox's skin. Every as-
sistance ought to be given by our Government to the Greeks and
then at length the Greeks would achieve their independence, if
the Right Hon.. Gentleman could persuadirlds Colleagues to change
their policy with respect to that country, In America, the
Right Hon. Gentleman was hailed as the benefactor of the South
American States. In Europe, he was extolled as the severer of
the Holy Alliance. But the Right lion.,Gentleman ought to go
still farther, and use his utmost endeavour for the liberation of
Greece.

Mr. GRATTAN said, that he would betray the duty which
he owed to his Sovereign, to his country, and to the solemn oath
of fidelity which he had taken at that Table, if he were to sit entire.
ly silent on the present occasion. Re had been most anxious to
find reason to agree with the Address ; but he was sorry to say
that he could find no such reason. When the Rouse considered

the columunieations which they had from Ireland, it was doubly
their duty to take care that all mention of that country should not
be excluded from the Address. A certain confidential Public
Functionary, lately arrived from Ireland, and who must be well
acquainted with the situation of that country, had stated, that the
great evil of Ireland, and .specially of Dublin, was poeprty-4
poverty which might be banished, if the ?maple of Ireland were
put into such a situation that they could enjoy the benefit of Bri-
tish enterprize, British industry, and British impitel. All this
would be effected, if only one single measure were adopted. Be
had that day seen the crown on the King's head, and be thought
that Ireland was the brightest gem of illte diadem, and that the
brightest measure the Sovereign could edopt would be Catholic
Emancipation. Conciliation and Emiincipation were the only
sure means of giving permanent peace to Ireland. But unfit,-
timately the Cahinet could not agree among themselves--one part
of them thinking that the subject of Ireland ought to be intro-
duced into the Speech, another part thinking that it ought to be
omitted. The Seconder of the Addreeit had said, that if the mee-
sure of the conciliation towards Ireland had been mentioned, it
would have received his most anxious—here he had heiitated, as
if he had meant to say support—but he had at length said cunsi-
deratio. But on this part of the subject the lion. Seconder's
speech had in one respect reached the very 411 AX or eloquence ;
for, instead of all the most important topics which he might have
introduced into his speech with referent* to Ireland, he had
n Easternentioned King
gnwd
asthnotnlcle.asytelriey iii, au+l oftein,ot for his physieisn ;tatoes. ( A laugh. )
Ani
the physician happened to he an Irialiman, and undertook' to
cure his Majesty by means of potatnie.—(A laugh.)—So the
Honourable Seconder thought that every thing was toll* done for
Ireland by means of potatoes : and he assured thenonoureble
Gentleman that potatoes were a sound and good root, and article.
which would grow at the Horse Guards and in the Palace se
readily as in Ireland. He thought, that if Ireland gave her blood
and her money for the service
of the
state, Parliament was
bound to give her iu return what she was
certainly entitled
to-, posse* and What he had no doubt the good sense of the Par-
lianieut would ultimately grant her—namely, equal rights And
equal privilege*.
Mr. WYNN explained, Whatever Measures would tend to
promote the interests, of Ireland, would alwayi receive his cordial
support, if convinced that these mealturee could be carried into
execution with safety to the Church and State.
MOORE was of opinion that the diversity of opinions
expressed its the course of the debate, had arisen from the absence
of several topics from the King's Speech, which, in the judgment
of different Members, ought to have been itttroduted into it. He
himself thought that the state of Ireland bad been su,ffixiently ad-

vetted= to, in the present 'stage of parliamentary proceedings.
He could assure the House, that the prevailing sentiments of
the ,most influential portion of the constituency of Ireland
were, that the best justice that could •be ,rendered to that
country, would be to secure to it , the strict and inviolable
maintenance of the essential principles of the Protestant Esta-
blishment, which he sincerely believed were the safest bulwarks
and strongest defence of the British Constitutien.—(ilear, hear.)
Mr. lIUME rose again amidst cries of " spoke." Ile denied
that his Amendment tailed upon the House to express any decided
opinion on the four or five important points included in it. It
merely pledged the House to take them into consideration at a
future time.

Sir J. YORKE regretted that the King's Speech had not been
more clearly and strongly expressed. After eleven years of peace,
he confessed he saw none of those earnests of economy which he
would have been glad.to have witnessed. A flight Honourable
Gentleman (Mr. Wallace), during the last Session Of the last
Parliament, had brought. up a flaming Report from the Commis-
sioners of Inquiry, which blew the whole Stamp Office to—he
would not say where—:(a latigh.).--He did not find fault with the
extent of the military establishment. He believed that the civility
lately *hewn abroad to the Right Honourable Secretary (Mr. Can-
ning), arose altogether from his having his sword iu his band.
Mr. R. MARTIN was sorry that the Catholic Question had not
been alluded to in his Majesty's Speech. If his Honourable Friend
(Mr. Grattan) had proposed his Amendment, he (Mr. Martin)
would have felt bound in duty to have supported it.
Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, in order that the di-
vision might
`take place, when
. _ . _

Mr. CALCRAET rose. --He agreed in many topics of the
Amendment with the Honourable Afember for Aberdeen (Mr.
Hume) ; but without a more ample discussion, Le could not un-
dertake to pledge himself to them. There was no earthly objection
to the Address. Taking the course which would leave Lim the
least fettered, he should vote for the Address; to which there was
no objection, rather than pledge himself to all the details of the
Amendment, which, he declared, he could not thoroughly under-
stand.

Sir R. FERGUSSON stated his intention of voting for the
Ametultnent.
A new Illastaxa, whore name we could not learn, spoke in fa-
viiur of the Address. He wished the Amendment to be with-
drawn.

Mr. Alderman WOOD said a few words in support of
Amendment.

Mr. BENETT opposed thr Amendment, which he thought
should be submitted to the House in separate *lotions.
Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, and the House was
occupied fur about a quarter of an hour in further discussion.
Upon a division, there appeared to be—
For the Amendment —
Against it

Majority for the original Address B3
The Gallery was not again opened to strangers until: the Rouse
adjourned, about half-past eleven.

BROWN, MAYOR. •
THE FIRST COURT of MAYOR and AL-
DERMEN holden on Tuesday, the 21st day of November,
.1226, and in the Seventh year of the Reign of George the Fourth
of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland, King, &c.
Resolved unanimously,—That the Thanks of this Court be
presented to the Right Honouiable Wiwast VErrautrs, fate
Lord Mayor of this City, for the talent, independence, and energy,
with which he discharged the important duties of his high sta-
tion—for his exemplary diligence in the firm and mild administra-
tion of public justice—for his countenance and support of the
various Charitable Institutions of the Metropolis—for the liberal
and splendid hospitality which he displayed throughout his
Mayoralty—for the impartial and dignified manner in which be
presided over the deliberations of this Court, and for his cour-
teous attention to its several Members—and, more especially, for
his prompt and spirited efforts during a season of no ordinary
commercial embarrassment, with a view to restore public con-
fident*. WOODTHORPE.