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The Earl of :DARNLEY took so opportunity lc wake' ai
few rentarks•reiritive to the presentstate of the country,

serving, that the pressure • of the times. which was very con-
siderable, was fsilt more or less by every individual in' it. He
was of 'opinion every thing possible 'should be doi,e in the

way of retrenchment, by Ministei-s, and every possible sacri-
fice made by public 'men. The laudable example set by au

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ustrions Personage,.and the &Ade qicrifice 'Made by a Nohle
Friend of'his (the Marquis Camden), were precedents which
11. e. trusted woVld he generally followed ; proceedings of the
kind's ould tend "eery much to tonciliate the people.
Lord ROLLE thought it ,incumbent nit all persona of pro-
perty In come forward and null e setritices, nt,re or les's, ht
the view of alleviatlint the burtfiests of the poorer classes! of
the peOple. It was in that tie* hr had urged a tetilporary
continuance of the Proprty Tax. By men of fortune the
contribution could not be missed, while stone of the taxes

whicit.layiseaviest ottrist poor 'may he retraced.
Earl GREY contended, that what the Country principally
wanted and called for, aas economy hi the public expendi-
ture,. and a consequent reduction of taxes. The contribui-
lion which his Majesty's Mloisters had voluntarily imposed
on themselves was what he did not approve, nor was it ex-
peewit by the country—the people called for a retlUCtiOti of
unnecessary ekpences. He likr no species of compulsory
benevolence, or ativ attempt, on the part of ifficors to
curer inefficient and useless ones. The necessities of t ite.peo-
pie called for an ample system of retrenchment. They never
wished that useful Officers should be Mutated..
Earl GROSVENORTresented .8 Petition from the Bortrugh
of Southwark, praying for eednumy and reform, which wait
ordered to lie 'on the table.
SECOND PETITION FROM THOMAS CLEARY.
Earl GROSVENOR stated, that he had a second Petition
to present front the Secretary of time London Union Society.
It was in substance similar to that which he had lately the
honour to present ; but it was five front these objections
which gate rise to so much discussion on the former evening,
Any reference to their Lordships' Itep6rt was avoided, and
the petitioner wished, as before, that an opportunity were
afforded to him of proving the allegatitink at their Lordships'
Bar.
The Pe ition being read short, the Earl of HARROWBY
'Lord Pretideot) after referring to the various objections to
which the former petition was liable, stated, that with respect
to a part of the wording of the printed Report of their Lord- •
ships Secret Committee, and on which the ,principal stress
of alleged comalaint in the petition seemed to havo.riern
a part of the ilottaients. on which the Repast was stonuded
had been ;tore examined, for the purpose of astertaining
whether or nOt the was at all founded, which elfaeg-
ed the Retoot with attributing to the London Union SoCieties
doctrines. and principles which were .attributell to certain
other Societies. 'Now. be roust c iy, I bat the Report, in point
of fact, itid nut attrilinte the prineiplet the Spencetiti ph"-
lanthropi,ts to the Liiiidun Union S.,eiety. The grammatical
construction of the words would lit bear it. . The apparent
inaccuracy arose front the manner in which the Report had
been lit inti.d. Tue ditto ice bst wren the poetical:lr paragrapir9
was ndt stittic;ent. The sentences were tot, dOgelyt:011111,01Vdi
Which t hey %%ere not iu the o ritteit c Ty. This tiny Noble
laird could se on.attlentively readingt he piint. It appealed
too fiom a part the doeineems, that an address had brit
issued by the Lortilon Union Society, on the 30th Oct. MU.
in which the RICHSUIV ut geurral National Corretpflial4nek
was reetinnuended ; next the branches of the Sociel y iu the
country were referred to, and it Wag Slatcti than. Notional
Union mil. iii.tressary as • welt as Radical lieforre,
Universal Snffrage, and 'Amral Parliaments. Certain rules
were then laid dolt'', and saliscriptiout recoMmended, and it
was stated that a subscription of tacitly shillings per .ITURillt
to It local t7nion, according to the lath Article; would entitle
such subscriber to he an honorary meidlier of the said London
Lord GRENVILLE observed, there was no ground what:
ever for the complaint. The Spencean Philanthropists were
by no means identified with the Louden Utrion Soeieties.
There were distinct statemeuts in the Report to the contrary.
With respect to ecrtuilt declared opinions, hit belief was, that
if the measure of Aenual Parliaments and Universal Suffrage
were unhappily occurred to, it must Ue to no partial change
in our (Misfit ution, but generarstibrersion. Adverting
then to the proceedings of thopoliticid Sobielits, as tuttched
upon in t he Report. lie stated that it appeared there had been
in .December last, ins the proccediugs. of the Shetheld Union
Society, a resalution, that it ought to co,operate with the Lon-
don Union society: from such a tOlitelllolll tbri CtiticlUSions to
hu dra,en were obvious: It wat stated ton iaat the persons
who subscribed should become honorary members of the Lou-
dim
Union Society, words from which no other inference
could be drawn than tlint in the Report. The idea of corms...
rondriver, as. expressly such, may he int error Had incOrrect;
but bow cv-4perdtion was to take placs without correspond-
*nee lie was rather (though it. wile possible) it a loss to
reconcile.
Earl 'GREY wits confident the .Nolde fiords were incapable
of suns:tinning any thing like misrepresentation, hut the
danger, he thought, of deciding upon ca• parte evidence; •
might clearly be supposed, front what had just tranSpired,
especially with reference to a measure; involving'no leas than
a suspension of the liberties of Englishme us The complaint
was not merely that of the London Union Society being ciao-.
founded with the Spetieeati Philanthrepists, but of a- nwu
serionS chatge—that of being implicated in a system of
Clubs, ditseminated throttgltuut the country, ou which
traitorous design to overturn the Constitution and Govern:.
meat of the Country, undid. the pretimce of Pat liamentary
Reform, was charged. Such a charge certainly implied at
grievance, and those who felt thetuselvas aggrieved, sbotthi
be allotted the desired opportunity of etculpation rit their
Lordships' bar, The practieis of tVhiels Minliftsrs cot:Wl:tined
were eertninik poolshaille by the existing laws, mot it shottld
be-seen how far they had endeavoured to apply these before
the Hattie should consent to vett hillier per in their
sands, lit the case before' them it it offered to be "Spired,
that the .Loothrit Union. instead of co-opetuting with ant)
rithersoriety, has not existed for three years sod a half.. He
behaved there was 4 note then hi ti; !louse fruits the 'Present
Lord Nlaytit-, s that he and Alderman Goodliebere bad
sinie examined the books, and OM they were ready to uppear
at the bar cud Substantiate by evidence the truth of that alle-
gation.

The Earl of LIVERPOOL. felt it neeessafy td say a few
words en the present occasion. The Report did noi apply
the settle criminal object to all; and it was so distinctlt %Wird
in the Palma. Some of the Clubs had without disguise
Adopted the priqcirles of the Spew:can Philanthropists, and
determined iu thetfresolers upon a participation of all the
landed property Vitith respect, however, to
the lantdott rttiewittclesy, it was Matter ot general ilotorietyi
there were ninnerOusaticieties diipersed througliunt the hing-
tiorp, al3ilintetl, connected, and eto responding., for the osteti.
sine Aject the.attalmoritt of Whole, by Annual Parlia-
ments and UuivJriul tiutfrage. The Sheltivid Sot:44y ex,
pre%sly teferted to the rulrs and regulatiuni ot the London
Ut .Seciett, and it xt.itett ill the lath Article, tttitt every
Otefuher of the Quit My Societies should, tin paving a certaiii
subscription, become an honorary mooiliet of. tho LonLhot
paroit Club. • This was it distinct ,itititafitm to form COOllll-1
Unioit Societies.' With i-espeet to its riot assembling for
three years iintl half, though he meant nut to displita that
the faindun Union, Society, en ountite, as convisell in iSlBt
did not utsentfile for thtee years and a half; what we:e sub-
Utti.tt Societies, ht, 46111 the $:1111C secretes y,
I on,ly tuisetubic withint he last ei4 weeks, teas asuritter of
tirri,ty : one of then' deliberated on the Measures of Annual
Partin:neat* and [Universal Suffrage, tin the 9.2,1 of Jhuthiry,
1817, 4intt meethg 11e4ezittes fr..nt the S.
ce; ies, with Major Cattwright in the et.air, and With NI r.
actin 4 as Seaetary. What right, therefore„ had a
nelson so aclitti4t4ikverl. „f Ito iniary iiyiita tai
? --( Hear, [:car 11—Verbal or It i i.utecetiracits could
ton .v 61 in compet4n with these titt.ts. P:esisle.., it was
known, fro.m the Votes of tltr otlirMouse, that numbers of
ther pet.tunt,-3 for Reforna Ivory fabricated ill this town, WA