The Sun.
London, England, 1821-02-10 00:00:00

LONDON MUDGE

Mr. Alderman Woon gave notice, he would on
Monday move for a Select Committee to inquire
into the state of London Bridge. -
Sir J. Nr,wpoirr moved for an account of all
sums of Money issued to the Public Offices in
Ireland for stationery during the last seven years:
—Ordered.
SET)IT!ON AND BLAqPIIPAY.
' Mr. BESNEt moved for an Account of the
Criminal Informations filed Irom Jllnuary IS2O
to January 18'21, for Blasphemy and Sedition
and also for the number of convictions.—Ordered.

ToE QUEEN'S ANNUITY.
The CH tNCELLOR. of tl►e EXCHEQUER MOVeti
the second reading of the Queen's Annuity Bill.
liis Noble Friend was absent from indisposiiion,
but he believed that no objection Was entertained
to the principle of the Bill,
.and the discussk
could take place in the Committee.--=-Tl►e fill
Was then committed for'Monday, and ordered to
be printed.

NAPLES. •
. .
Mr-. DENISON wished to put a questioil to the
Right Hon. Gentleman .ouposite. Ife wishki to
know if any orders had been Sept out to our

cruisers in Mediteranean, to stop.,Vesso,3
carrying arms And vaval story sto Yiples. One
cf his constituents had fitted out -a ship for ti;e
purpose of taking out gunpowder to that country ;
but he'had received a letter from Naples, stating
that fir G. Moore had Ordered 01 ships carrying
naval st-ores, to be intercepted, as having oa
board contra! and goods.
The CHANC}.:LLOR of the E,:efivin ER bad heard
of no sack order, and was not aware under whlt

arith,)rity it collA h i4e been issued.
ed the 'information of the lion. Gentleman to b.:

unfourlded.

NEW-POST OFFICE.

The Order o: the Day being moved, for the
'Committee of Supply,
Mr. It. GORDON adverted to the expense that
had been incurred on account of the New Post-
office ; 60,0001. had already been expended for
the scite of the building; and a much more cm:-
siderable sum would be wanted. Scarcely any
progress had yet been made in the building, and
many individuals had suffered severely. The
powers given by the Abt of Parliament, had also
been greatly ex-ceeded. He theli adverted to the
expense incurred, on account of the Forts on the
coast of A frica, on Which, the sum 0f.25,000 /. had
been expended in the course of the lit year, and
was desirous of some infounation on that subject,
as well as relative to the Post-office.

Mr. LUSTIINGTON 'said; that the expence of
the Post-odice hell beet-t-etitiltd,at "280,000/.
'l'l City had been improved in -consequence or
what had -bee. do; c; though the expence hail
turned out muchmore than had, been anticipated-
In the course of the next week he should ' crive
notice of two of the Rills that were intended ta
be brouAt forward in.the course of the Sesiiott-

Col. DAvrEs was of opinion thatlittle had lieo
done for the money.

Mr. GaULBURN stated, that a final arrange'
merit was in contemplation, oa the subject of the
African Forts.

Mr. WILLIAMS said, that no improvement hal
taken place in the City of London from what had
been done respecting the Post O thce.
Mr. LUSIIINGTON said, that a great nuisance
had been removed.
After some farther observation? from Mr. Wil-
liams and Mr. Calcraft, the Committee was vost-
polled to Monday.

WAYS 2-IND 11EANS. •
On the motion of the UHANCELLOR of .the -r- •
CHEQUER the House resolved .itself into Co "-
mittee of Ways and Means. The Right 1-L-',"
nourable G(,nticman stated, that in the year 18.1"
several duties had been laid on Foreign Spirits,l
and which duties were to continue for a space 0`
five years ; that period would expire on
,the `til
of July next. His object Was to renew those
duties for the space of one year. His object in proy
-posing the annual emitinnation of those deities
was to keep-them as ft were constantly under the
view of Parliament, b:-cause by that means Fly-
liament would be eilabled to see wJwther Sfri".l:
gling was checked in its progress or increfisc.,- 0,,
It appeared that the actual conSumptien of i t
reign Spirits had 'been on the increase for the 105.,
two years, by which it appeared that stouggli`:o...,.
had not increased, but had been checked wit`l
in that period.
.was 'sure. that the 11°5e
-would agri,c -with hiM, that there was 10° .
proper object of taxation than -that of 1::,
Spirits, whether with a view tiy ;the enox".gi„
9c
inept of our Agriculture, or With a Vice.ir, tO heelth and morals' of the people. TheiWc't ob-
ject he had, wasone more of foe than
substance
it was, that the vote of five millions on the Aidg
of 18'20 should be applied lewards the SuPPI)
of 181 ; this would enable the Treasury to aP"
ply that sum in the most:convenient manntr. The ,
Right Ticnourabie Gentlemen concluded br
moving a Resolution that the. duty of one 'shilling
per bushel on Malt made in Great Britain, grant"
ed Act or, the last Session, to expire- 499
the sth of July, 18'21, should be further cola"
,nned. On the Resolution being put, •
Mr, CnEr:vcy had intended to opPoe the
Speaker's leaving the Chair for the House, to go -
into a Committee of Supply, while thoestimatc. ,
were not before them. Ile had not opposed 11114
leaving it to go into a Committee of Ways an'
Means, not expecting that any grant of the Pub-
lic money was there to be proposed.. Perceivlq
that in this he had deceived himself, he
should
Itow move as an Amendment, that the Chairman`
progress. The house ought not •1
forget the complaints of ail-kinds which they had
heard in tho course of .their proceedings oa the

preceding night. He reminded them of the lan-
,
guage held respecting. the fund-holder. By one
it was proposed ' that he should be taxed—ano-
ther called him a monster-Land a third wished to
devise some system to get at hiM. - He referred
to these merely to shew to what a state the coun-
try was reduced, when it. was seen that the seve-
ral rrietribers of the community were ready to
_make war on each other's property. Yet while
things were in this situation, Ministers did not
talk 'of relieving the exigting. distress. Night,
after night they went on with the old stories of
Committees of Supply and Ways and Means, and
nothing was heard of Reform. Ile could not
consent to go on thus and vote away the public,
money, unless Ministers would pledge themselves
to alter their system. lle.hoped the time would
never come when the agriculturist and fund
holder should war on each other ; he hoped the'
property of both would remain eternally secure.
greater monster than the fund-holder was to
be foond in the placemen who sat in that House."'
As long as those , inefficient placemen, the Lay-
Lords of the Admiralty, and others who had
little to do remained there, little good could be
done for . the country. These, he contended,
ought to be regarded as pensioners, and, as pen-
sioners,excluded froth that House. By a report
made in 1508, it appeared, that there were 72
such placemen in the House who held in-'
':causes; which annually amounted to no less than
1500001. Forty of these were enough to form
'a House, and could exercise all the functions of
a Commons House of Parliament. Was it to
be endured: that ire times like--these, 'such
Pes°-ns shoufd sit there to obstruct those _who
The were anxious to effect an economical reform.—
friends Of retrenchment had another set of
°Piponerits in those who Were called the indepen-.
dent. Members—Members, whose families and
connexioria were 'maintained out of the taxes—
I'aving situations as ,collectors of the Land-tax,-
in the Excise, or as distributors oC stamps:—
(Rear, hear, hear ! from the Treasury Bench.)—
He would ask if the Chancellor of the Exche-
quer could deny the fact ? Could he deny that
UW1)01'0118 lists came before him every day of the
connexions of these independent Me nbers ? No
man at the Treasury. could- say, that they were
not constantly there after what they called their
Property. He would stake his -life on the cor-
rectness of that statement. It was these two'
sects that prevented the accomplishment of a
Reform—the 72 Placemen and the independent
-.Members; who had nothing_in their own pockets
it was_trite, but: whose families were supported
out of the taxes.' When he considered that Mi-
nisters were thus supported, he was not surprised
atit their majorities ; he was only astonished that
Ile
opponents made so good a fight as they did.
"le honed his Hon.. Friend (the Member for
Xnar
n. eshorough) would continue to support the
'terests of economical Reform. Another Hon.
Gentlemanst could not he praised too much for
-I„,ig,esting an' improvement in ,the mode of col-
t`a.cting the taxes, by which a large sum might be
,4.!'d out of the enormous sum of 4,000,0001.
not was now paid, for their collection. It- was
the at a time like this that the 72 Placerneu and
zvisr``lePendent Members ought to oppose the
ea;elso the people. Without overstating the
frig or oeitide Ministers, he was sure that a say-
-)000,000t. pet annum on ex-
Penditu
-/-,‘ re might., be effected, and of course the
.4-,-!es might be diminished to_that amount. But
Would 'do this would be quite a different assetn-
and Would not only save this 4;000,0001.
but would hold' out the 'happiest and most encou-
t King - Prospects tc. the country. He had in-,
:_nded to offer these remarks against. the Speak-
leaving the Chair for the House going into
h_`-.onnittee of Supply, but that opportunity
4ving been avoided, he had taken this opportu-
atl of expressing his sentiments. He moved, as
.i.,__lterlendment, that the Chairman should report
I",ll74ress and ask leave to sit again.
fr
e the of the EXCIIEQUER said, that
te Speech of his Majesty from the Throne,
Tr,Which stated a reduction of the military establish
eR ,e,a diminution of the public expenditure was
lie was hats'ppy to. inform the House,
be
des in that xpoctation the country would not
a,-
not •nted :he had every reason to hope,
air indeed that a reduction of four millions, or
• 000lY nathji-'g so` large' could be effected, but that
the ; Paring the estimates of the present vear with
fear
cPreceding, -there would probably be a
discuss ?; one million. He was very willing to
hat be that when the Estimates came to be voted,
6f the saw no benefit in mixing up the discussion
the notir(Penditure with every question before
ther tb_ ',ll--• The question novv- only was, out the
whe iciisual annual taxes should he voted, with-
C..
.010t1.0 the service could not go on. '
t,t DA:vies Was of opinion the estimates
lin:tieroduced before grants were proposed,
• Pitgeti'''',4ght the 'house ought to feel greatly
eCt
foe-14,3.41. don. Friend for bringing the sub-
.tkr
reY estimat In the Session before last, the
^l. 4a,, es Were not produced till the month
stus; of-',l3"o.Which time nearly the whole of the
had bet,,,., 'D°°looo/. for the service of the Army
-that 4.11,11.: voted. Though it might be pleaded
sued hy custom justified the course pur-
'enghto •linisters, he thought the Estimates
S • be Produced. at the beginning of every
essmn
" SrW of Parliament, lie wished the Secretary
asked him' been present, as he would then have
ti the Army Estimates were to be
tPirleodittici :Ileenhadni-o‘Ztywo questions to put to
how " Hon. Gentleman. He wished to know
much of the 1,000,0001. to be saved, would
be saved on the- Army and whether or not the
Pcrract!ce of smugglingl,ad been prevented from
le_asnle; by the exertions of the Navy and the Re-
"Me Officers ?
The Cu ANCELLOR of the, EXCHEQUER declined
answering these questions at present.'
Mr. I -
,ocKnAnT was aware that the mode-
Pused by the lion. Gentl p roeman (Mr. Creevey).
Peas
i as not usual ; but after the statement made last
fightrlo, the House could not be called upon toggle
•
_
trust and confidence. It had _been justly
stated
by a Noble Lord, that no breach should he
le, c•le on the rational faith. Nothing could he
Jacked to but economy on the part of Ministers. -114.
had no doubt that the taxes were imposed and

collected legally ; but the question eras, were they
collected equitably ? T hey had been unposed 'in.
_monies numbered, and it was always.meant that
enough, would be left to support the parties
taxed. On account of the depreciation of too-,
ney, an increase of salary, was granted to dilfe-'
rent Public Functionaries, and .to the -Members
of the Royal Family. But now -that things had
come back to the level of. what they were 30
years ago, no retrenchment -had been made in
favour of the People, lie did not wish to dis—
turb the fundholder in the receipt 'of . his. divi-
dends; but no injury could arise from equal
taxation. En the Roman history, one class had:
been so oppressed by-usury., that they abandoned
the city. Ile wished the Government to attend
to economy, and to chew the people that they.,
were interested in their welfare. As a diminu-
tion of expellees had taken place in the -price of
the articles of life, a corresponding retrenchment-
ought to* be made.

Mr. HustE would enter his protest against the
misrepresentation.of the speech of the. Member
for Taunton (Mr. Baring). The object of the
Right Hon. Gent: was to continue the tax. on malt,
as well as spirits, though, by the. Act by which it
was granted, it Was to expire within a limited time.
But the continuance of a single tax should not be
voted till Ministers came forward with a statement
of their intentions as' to retrenchment. The tax was
demanded on the groundsof a reduction of a million
having been :node in the public expenditure; but
the Chancellor of -the Exchequer. had stated, in
1817, that the expences of last year would only be
17 miliions,when,insteadof that, they had-amount—.
ed to 10 millions, being two millions above' his
own calculation. With the exception of the sala-
ries of Ministers, which had received no increase,
the salaries and emoluments of all other classes of
Public men had been kreatly increased. In Eng-
land and Scotland individuals had been kept in
office, for the sake of patronage, at an expense to
the Public'of from Ito 200,0001. But should he:
divide alone with his Hon. Friend, he Should op-
pose the proposed tax. Had the Income Tax
been continued, there would have been no re-•
trenchment.

Mr. R. WARD said, that the higher Officers' in
the Ordnance had been reduced—his own salary
to the amount of .6001. a-year ; another to, the
amount of 5001.; and a third to the amount
of 3001.

Mr. lIUME stated, that the Storekeeper of the
Ordnance had retired with a' salary.
WARD--The Storekeeper has retired %yid'
no,salary at all.—(A laugh.)
Mr. HusKrssoN said, that the simple question
, before the House was, that the tax of one shil-
ling a bushel on ,malt, which had existed since
the reign of Queen Anne, should be continued.
But the discussion had branched out into vatious
topics. The ground upon which the AesolutiOn
was opposed is, that the estimates are not before.
the House. It would he most extraordinary if
there should exist a disposition on the part of
Ministers to refuse- it ;* but he could. assure the
House it was no such thing, and-that no grant of
any kind for the army or navy should be made
until the Estimates were laid before the House.
He thought it most desirable that it should be so,
for it gave Gentlemen an opportunity of exa-..
minim; them. But he thought the observations
whictl'hati hean_trtade rather pre%ature: and he
agreed with the If onour‘able Gentleman opposite
(Mr. Lockhart), that if the people were to
unite and turn the attention of the Legislature
to their distresses, they would best _serve their
own interests.

Sir J. Nzweottr was glad. to hear from the
Right lion. Gentleman opposite that the distresS
complained of by the Birmingham Petitioners
was-not general: He
.hoped the Right Hon:
Gentleman would take an opportunity of stating
what were the districts which enjoyed prosperity.
With respect to the Estimates, fie was willing
to allow that in time of war they could not
be got ready by the opening of Parliament.
But now that we were at peace, he saw.no rea-
sonable objection to .pursuing sitch a conrse.—;
They ought to be taken into consideration before
the Session, if Ministers had any view to re-
trenchment, without. being driven to it by, Par=
liament. He strongly objected to the manner in
which the business of the lion,ze was transacted.
It was not uncommon to see forty or fifty Bills
go through the different • stages at the end of a
Session when there were scarcely any Members
present. The consequence was, that the Bills
passed in so defective a state that they were
obliged to be brought in to be corrected in
the next Session. He recollected a Bill. hav-
ing passed both Houses of Parliament to im-
pose a duty upon madder; in which it was
afterwards discovered that the word Madder
had been entirely left out.--:-.(A laugh.)—An Hon.
Friend near him reminded him of another case in
which a Bill had
,passed confirming-, the sentence
of a man who was to be imprisoned for six
months.—" The half of which," it stated, 4c was
to go to. the King."—(A laugh.)—The other
branch of the Legislature
.had complained that
Bills were sent up to them so late, that, as they
had not time .ta examine. them, they refused to
pass them at all, Such faCts as these must tend
to disgrace the House in the .eyes of .the whole
country. He hoped this subject would be taken
into conaideration• without reference to the:party
from whence it came, as he disclaimed all feeling
of hostility in pressing it .upon the attention of
Gentlemen, opposite.—(ll ear, hear!)
_ _

litlstossoN had not stated that other dis-
tricts were in a flourishing situation in compari-
son with the Birmingham Petitioners ; but that
they were in a progressive state of improvement.
He begged to assure the. Right Hon. Member
that he could produce to him proofs, which would
satisfy him that many of our Cotton and Wool-
len Manufactories were in a state or improve-
ment. With .respec4•to the errots in the Bills
which had been alluded to, they were mere ver-
bal inaccaracies, which might occur under any
circumstances whatever.

Mr-BROWN complained of the depressed state
of the Linen Manufactories in Ireland. With
respect to the cause of the general distress, be
believed it to be the great exertions to which the
country had been driven. It had been placed by
a great and glorious war, in the very highest rank

arnorig-,..nations. Thank Cod, /_ was so. ,ut
the struggle had prOdUced the effect wltCiit e
now comp-lained he believed the etnerkee-
cies of our situatidu could Only have been Met
and
.remedied by One masterly hand. That mas-
terly hand was now. no itiore=L--he meant the late
Mr.. Pitt.---(Hear, hear !)--The Hon. Member
then compared the state of. Ireland with that of
this country,'and concluded that the former was
by far the most lamentable.
•
• Mr. II usaissos explained. •
C r..tosto NE'thought the agriculturist" was
a good deal distressed by the reduction in the
quantity of bread now consumed.. This Ilo'4se
was not competent to give any .permanent relief,
by a Legislative Act—that was only to be-effect=
ed'by'a gradual return to the' ancient • state Of
things. regard to the Petition presented
last night from Birmingham, it -appeared to him
that the distress complained of was' owing to
local causes.—(The lion. Member was here cAll-
ed to order by- the Chairmani•who reminded liim
that it was irregular to allude to the debate of
another night.) .
Mr. 13:touoitAm then interfered, and •in •a

warm 'manner complained -that the lion. Chair-
man was not warranted in calling the lion. Rem-
ber to order as he • did. With great subthission
to the Chairman, •it appeared to him, that in a
Committee of Supply every Member was at li-
berty to allude
.to any subject whatever which
was connected with the general 'state of the na-
tion.—(Hear.)
Mr. BIt6GDEN had no wish to dictate to the
Committee, but thought _himself called upon. to
interrupt the lion. Member when he was taking
a course which 'appeared to Ern irregular.—
(Hear !)—He admitted that in a Committee of
Supply a Membercoiiid allude-to any topic con-
nected with the state of the nation, but he was yet
to learn that it . was regular to allude' to a former
.debate. iro submitted to the lesson-which had
been read him by'the lion. and Learned Gen-
tleman, and he would.only say- that he. left it en-
tirely to the Committee to say whether or not
the ifon. Member aught to proceed. (Hear!)
Mr. Bnoucu.un said, that from the many -al,.
lusions made to the'suNect to-night; it could be
hardly said to be the debate Of another night. The
lion: Member seemed to him to 'be answering
some observations which 'had been made on the
petition from Birmingham that night in the Corn-
mittee.—(Hear.)

Mr. BIZOGDEN repeated,, that he-left it entirely
with the Committee whether the Hon. Member
would
.proceed or not.----(Go on!) •
Mr. Gr.ansT.os, resuminz, said, that by.let-
ters lately received from Liverpool, he was
in-
formed that the wages of the men were consi-
derably raised the: e. In some branches. of ma-
nufacture a considerable improvement had;taken,
place, but others were not in so forward a:mate.
With regard to the depression in the iron trade,
some time ago ave imported all our iron from
Russia and Sweden,' but now we not only fur-
nished enough for the home consumption of the
United Kingdom, but supplied many of the fo-
reign markets: The Von. Member then, in an-
swer to some allusions; stated, that none of the
persons filling Government' situations in pver-
cool were related to or in any Way connected
with the present or late Members.

CaZEVEY asked if Mr. Faulkner was not
aTreTatiye of Gen. Ttiiil toh, gi d witetter4t Mr.
Staiiniker, Comptroller of the 'Post-office.at Li-
verpool, a place -worth 4000 L a year, was not
related to some-late Members?

Mr. GLADSTONE said, he was not awar6 that
the individual in question. wasa relation of either
of the present or late. Memtier's. The support
which those Gentlemen used to give Ministerial
candidates was that support which one independ-
ent Gentleman gives another.
Mr. CnEEVEY was :sorry to mention names; and,
in fact, Mr. Stanniker was a particular friend of
his. He had, however, heard that this Gentle-
man was brother-in-law to Mr. Bolton, and when
there was a contest for the place which he now
tilled,Lord Lonsdale•was- applied to to support
him.—(Order.)
_ _

Mr. 13noonEN suggested, that these personal
allusions were irregular.
Mr. WESTEttN would not vote a-shilling, of the
public money until some reduction was made iii
the public expenditure. This would in the end
ruin the country, for when the expenditure was
more than the taxes, what else than ruin would
follow ?He asked, was this tax-'a renewal. of
the additional tax on malt, which had .been im-
poSed two years ago?. He thought that' addi-
tional tax most impolitic, and• he gave,notice that
he world bring forward a specific proposition for
reducing it.

Mr. ifusKissoN explained, that there were
two malt duties ; one, .which, with the land tax)
was perpetually appropriated to support the
Civil List ; the other, additional one,. not perpe-
tual," nit appropriated to the Consolidated Fund,
in iSIS. It was this latter, the continuance of
which was contemplated by the present Resolu-
tion. He-denied that within the last year, there
was any diminution of tlw Consumption of malt,
for, in fact, the returns exceeded -those of the
two or three years before.
Mr. FORRE'S said a few words in support of the
Resolutions, which were not distinctly audible.
Mr. CluitvrY saidohere was one Resolution
Which related to some Excise Duties, which would
expire in July next., and the Resolution proposed
to continue it. This was a uew Tax to all intents
and purposes. He should not .divide the House
upon the Malt Tax, Mat upon the Resolution to
which he had referred.

Sir W. DE CRESPIGNy spoke against the system
of collecting the Revenue. It was his intention
shortly, to bring it before the attention of the
House.

Sir PRANCIS 13tAti.r. defended the late Corn:-
mittee of Supply, which had been denominated

farce by an( ilon:7Membvr_ (Mr. CrOevey) theit

present. If it was a farce, it was rendered so by
the acting of the:Hon. Gentleman himself.—
(Loud laughi►►g.)-
The following Resolutions were than carried
without a division :—The 'Annual Malt:Duty—
The 'Ex.cise Duties on Tobacco and Snuff—The

renewal of the *Duties upon Pensions and Offices.

. _
The Resolution for the renewal of the Sugar

D6tics was pu'. ttratiz:,:s. were ordered
to withdraw.— Lie Hott:;'j C:en divided ppon the

ei: th, neSvltitiop
Agailisq it

v .; . .
The house hav;ng, restirtid,
.it Ives ordt,::,-!
that the Itepfirt of the Csp.-nrsitti_:c• should. be re-
ceived on rvlotitay.
PRP:SWF:NT OP TtlE Br) OP CONTtIO:A..

Mr. Hume rosy to call the attention -of the
House to the Subject, Whether or nnt.the
Hon. the Presicrent of the Board of Controul had
not vacated his seat i i that-IfOuse by his appoint=
meat td that °lce. If the appointment was dat-
ed prior to his taking his seat, then he • did not
vacate his seat but if subsequent to, it, it ott;ht
to follow, that the Right -Hon: Gentleman's S:east.
in Parliathent was vacated. He wished to See
the warrant nf„appoiamept, in order to ascertain
its date. The House (ight not to be ittdifferck
to.the inroads that Were making every day upon
the CmiStitution of the country. 'When any one
at that side of the House called for any thing
like Reform; they were tinswered that the'House
was averse to innovations. By the 6th of Ann,any
one holding an office of profit under the Crown,
was absolutely disqualified from sitting in that
House. it was contrary to the spirit of the Ten-
stitution that Gentlemen, holding places at the
discretion of the CroWn,should have seats in that
House; yet there W', at this atoll-tent, four iti-
divi:ltials )rofessedly servants 'of the Crtiwni who,
in the teeth of the Statute of Anne, mingled their
votes with the proceedings of that 'House. When
the Beard of.Contt'oul was first instituted, it was
never intended that the. Comniisgidners were to
receive Salat•ies. Things went on in this Way
from 1784 to 1793, when by the 23d „Geo. 3.
5,0001. was divided amongst the three Commis-
sioners. Since 179:-.1, every President of. the
.Board, on. his cOming.into pace, vacated his seat
as a matter of course. It mi',fht be said
that the
.President received no, ; but
was not his extensive patronage more than
money ? He contended that patronage being
" emolument" was within the meaning of
the Act. ,By a statement published two years
ago: by a late Member of tlrat House (Mr. Grant)
it appeared that the President of. 'the Board of
Controut had at his disposal no less than 500
regular appointments. Perhaps the present R:ght
Hon. Gentleman hadf not yet had his share of
these ; but the. late President, within the,last
year, appointed 26 'cadets, 2 writers, and 40
assistant surgeons.—(lfear!)—This patronage was
worth 12,0001. Not long 'since a Noble- Lord
was charged at the Bar with buying a seat in that
House, and the price which,he appeared to have
given for it, was to procure one writer's place.—
in November last the late President appoint-
ed two writers; which, was in fact worth two
seats in Parliament. • This patronage the Cum-
missioners exercised though the- 15th- .clause of
the Act referred to. was 'intended to limit it.
By returns into which he had looked, be ascer-
tained that the whole expence of the Board of
Con troul was to the East India Company 803,0001.
This Board which cost so much, and which ought
to have cost nothing, the duties of it were dis-
charged by one Commissioner. The lian.Mem:
ber concluded, by moving for a copy of the ,war-
rant of appointment in Letters Patent,. by .whit}
the Right lion. C. Bathurst was appointed a Pre
shield or the Board of Tnide.

Mr. C. BATuuItST had no objection to the in-
, troduetion of the documents ; but lie thought the
Hon. Member should presume that he was. un wil-
ling to produce them before he argued on them.
The 33. Geo. 3, gave all officers under the
Crown, who did not immediately fill offices' of
prof:t, a right to sit in that House. He received
uo salary from the office, and .he therefore- did
,not COMA under the operation of the Statute of
Anne. ITN knew nothing of what the patronage
of office was. With regard to the otter two
Connnissioners, he could-assure the Hon.3'lember
that they has not by any means sinecure places
—they had often long reports to draw up, and
were constant in their attendance in their du-

ties. His name was only put in the place of Mr.
Canning's, and by the law there was no such
office as a President of the, Board, they being
all called simply Commissioners.
Mr: CREEVEY contended; that a regular salary
of 500Q1. a year was cut out for the President of
the 'Board of Controul. .lie insisted that it was a
place of profit, and as to the duties.of the other
CommiSsioners, he never could see what they had
to do. At the same time that the warrant of
office was pro:,lnced,-he would wish that a return
of the, share of the'patronage which the Presi-
dent of the Board of Controul enjoyed should be
.produced also.
Mr. W. SMITH asked if a considerable patron-
age
was not attached to the office, which:might
be considered as equivalent. to a salary. It was
well known , that formerly the ,constant price
given for a writership in India was 30001. and
upwards. Then a great influenee aros&from, the
power of appointin,T cadets. He did not impute
to the Right Iton."'Gtmtleman that te.wished to
derive any such emoluments ; but he would say.,
that the power of these.appointments greatly'in.
creased the influence of .the Crown in that House,
just as much as if the.salaries We're paid out of
the Civil List.--Mr. BATIIULIST explained.

Mr. M. FITZGEtt ALn -tho9lA-ht this a matter of
so much importance that it was imperative "on
the House to inquire whether the. !tight .Ho.
Gentleman.held his, Situation in violation of the
taw of the. land. .Every' other •office,nrider-.the
Crown might be held durin'the Session of Par-
liament, as long as the holder ,of it refuSed- for
that time to ac-cept the ernolumepts of it. It he

possessed the patronag''e of this office, be could
(notwithstanding all the ease with which he

gained his seat in Radial-new) obtain it stillmora

easily, by being able to bestow t.o.6.Cadetshipot,
Writerships, and so many situations, ,as- As-
sistant Surgeons, among leis constituents.. When

Lord Melville 'was at the head of this Hoard, In.

dia was peopled. with aspiring -youngScotchmeri.
'Then, came a change' for the better.; and..wheu

a►► Irishman got at the head of it, none hut Irish.
men got appointments in India. There would,

he nosv. hoped, come a still happier change ; and
England would at last have her due share in the

a4viitages to be derived from East India,.Et.;

,-tronage. - • ;._.. . .
BATH-tin:4 explained: L (4114- ,no-t neces-
sary to examine the
,propriety or unpropriety of
the patronftgi,t.. Tile til_testien,itzEtkediatply before
the I,lonse•vvas a mere question ,of law. ,

A raft ORP looked. at. TueStlLn diff:t.-
.renti); hiS Holt. 1~, tend lie conieisnd thijt.
the Act iu questidd intended to' seild; the.tleditier
to his COnstittient§ that they prod-wince'.
their ofOion .updd his iild'epi.".llflence;_
sliip.etraecilied that the C;-otiOitiii-tnts,d,tlie
Hon. Gentleman. were• not todislike .hint
in ocirisequente of fits havido- accepted this ricer
office.

Mr: Cdtrail4E+ 'explained' the. rmilitie :of the
business attached to the Beard. to which' th,t
Hon. Mentber is Secretary. There was.n6 salary
attached-to the office ; avid as' to thet.' argu'ineint
respecting patronage, he should n-dt cdvideseicd
to rehly to it. 'there could . certainly be no
doubt that the patronage_ of the. Crown cr;etiti•d
obligation, but the same argurnent would applf
to ribbandi and all other lionoiirs which ernatiatetl
from the King. In short, if the argil:nen( could
hold, there would be no point to which it might
not be carried.

• •
•
Mr. DElimArl said, -according to the practice
now obServed, there woulik he-in extreme fat-litY of eVadincr the law.; for a Member i-ttiht sit
in Parliameilt7f6r any length of time, and theti
receive the whole arrears of salary due to him,
ire .wished to kno-W what Wai to becothe of the
salary I Was it to be reserved for this Right
lion. Gentleman who lately resigned the office--
(No,.td.)--,-Qr. WaS the. Right Hon. G-entlemart
who now held the office likely to fall into the:
receipt of his salary at any future period?—(o6lS.
4—At all events, he expected that an account:
would b gien of tiiis salary. He had heard of
a Gentleman who, after having held an office for
some years anti retired from the same, received.
all the salary attached to it.
Lord BINNING said he felt it necessary to rep i.l the
nuation thrdwn out by the Learned Geotienwi
!Milt lion. Friend of his, who was incapable of aciing in tba
Winner he snpposed.

a.,ured the Ntd.,Te Lord he threw out nO
such insinuation. fle !pertly stated; that a ease of the kind
to*ht happen: '

tikied tiny Man tniayttiat hii Itikfirffnu.
Frieud'wns capable of acting in the way ir,sinnat.(l by the.
Learned Gentleman.

Mr. DENMAN declared he Made no sock
He did nut mean to reflect on any indiyidual whhtever. But.
he wished to know Whe was to become of the salary if th 6
person the office did not teceire it ?
Mr. AsTF.LL paid a coMpliment to the manner in which
his Itieht Hou. Friend had filled his Office. 'nit! salary of
.he office; if n,it receive,l by the person hotding it. would
neige into the fttnds of the compAtif.—(Hear, bear !)—The
notion was then,agreed to.

Mr. HITME next morel for the last Qoart&ly Warrant,
authorizing the payment of the sltiAry.•
Colonel DAVIES asked what was to' became of the
which vr,ss not to be teceired by the Right Honourable gen-
tleman.

Mr. RATFILTIIST said hr was not °Waked tri answer that
qui•stion; but he understood the Sala' y was to be saved to the
India Company
The tuotiott was azreed to' with the om4sion of tie word'
" quarterly."—At ELEVEN I he'liouse adjourned.'

BRIGHTON, 'FEB. 8.

RETURN:If the KING and the PRINCESS AUGUSTA

At half past three o'clock this aftprnoon' on;
'most *gracious SOI,ERFTGN, accompanied in his.
travelling carriage by Sir 13. BLOOMFIELD, gladden-
ed our population by returning to the. Palace here.
About 3uo of ,the, 851 h, under the cornmanil
13sTn,•nith the colours and band at'
the .regiment, were drawn up near the -Pa-lac;;
north gate 'when his :NlAuEsTy arrived, with -a,
string of carriages filled- with Nobility, and -ft.
crowded- concourse ,Of the inhabitants of the
town. The military presented arms, and their
band struck up the national anthem, as the SO-
YERE!GN passed, while the ladies waved' the r
handkerchiefs from the carriage windows, ,and.
the populace rent the air with their joyous accia--
•mati9ns and quick repeated peals of buzz
Ilis MAJESTY several tithes bowed, and:'..the
expression -of his countenance was regar
with pleasure, as it beamed the assurance that he
rightly appreciated the character of the scene h.t
contemplated.—The Princess Atic;usTA accom-
panied by Lady MARY TAYLOR, alighted,at the
Palace about two hours subsequently.

Ro y,AT, SoCIiTY.--fit the sitting of the Roy'al.
Society on Thursday evening, a Captain li..A.rrati.
read,an interesting paper on the subject of a vol-
cano, which he has discovered. in the moon. .
examining the dark part of , the moon through a
telescope, he perceived a bright 'sp9t. resemblin,•
a-star ;- and subsequent observations convinced
him it was a volcano. As that •part of the :moon
in which it situated, has now becorne illiuminat-
ed, the volcano is no longer. visible, and before
the period for observing it returns, it will proba-
bly have ceased to be in a state of eruption.
DUEL PREVENTED.-Information having been
received that a duel wus to take place early yes-
terday, between a Captain S--ti anti T.. H.
a Gentleman of fortune, the latter
was watched when he left his house, in the vici-
nity'of Mary-le-Bone New-road, at five o'clock
'yesterday morning,„ a-nd repaired to Finchley
Common.;:the opposite. party 'arrived soon after :
but some suspicion was, excited, and the parties
returned to London, having •avoided any,
_thing
like preparation for a_breach of the peace. The
constables' orders were tp aPprehend the parties
preparing for the duel.
Match to.oallc Seventeen Miles in. Three 719-.trs.

—A Gentleman of the name •of BtwmonottsT,
matehe_d.hinaself, on the-last day of January, for
1.00 guineas, to do the. above great match, and he
started' yesterday morning on the .Bexley road.
One of his ancles began to swell :,tt the 13th mile,
which increased .so much that he resigned the
task, after doing 14- miles in two, hours and /8
minutes. A. man was offered to be backed on the
ground ,to.run. two miles..in ten minute9.' The
race was made for ten guineas, :and. he won it by
nine ;seconds. . •

There was a St. Lutieg ;Meeting yesterday to
address the QUEmana petition- Parliamerit, but
it preseniedno RC W feahlre;• • •

, Captain GOUGH, of the 'First Regiinent of .Life
Guards.; who was tried by a Court Martial at
Knightsbridge. Barrack •6r the 17th ult., on
charges preferred by CAIRACIC, has
been honourably acquitted. • ...