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the other productions of this country, he would take leave I Duke, however, ought to recollect, that cotton had fallen
to read to their Lordships a short statement of the duties 1 from 24d. to Sd. ; and although wool is low in price, he
imposed upon someforeign articleswhichcameinto competi- I thought that it had hut kept pace with the fall in other
tion with these productions—on Swedish iron there is a duty I artielee, and the increase in the value of money. After
of 10 per cent. ad valorem. On Swedish steel .a duty of observing that one of the reasons for the falling off in the
20 per cent. On copper 28 per cent. On hemp 11/.135.4d. ! consumption of coarse woollens was to be founcLin the in-
a ton. And on foreign oak bark, an item to which he ' creased use of cotton manufactures, such as
.fustian, in the
wished particularly to call the attention Of the Noble .summer season, the Noble Baron concluded by repeating
Baron opposite (Lord Wharncliffe), there is a protect- his opinion, that no good could arise from the inquiry, and
tug duty of 90 per cent. (Hear, hear !) .The duty on ! that it was certain to produce some degree of injurye'-'
foreign wool, for the protection of the home grower, i Lord ELLENBOROUGH contended, that-the-inquiry
" SUBJECTS FOR DISSECTION. being, in the mean while, about
31 per cent. He was I was conceded for the were purpose of 'satiefYing the wool-
The Marquis ,of LANSDOWNE Preaented a, petition not disposed to detain their Lordships by any length- growers that they-had no fair ground of complaint.
from the Physicierise S:urgeons, and Students of the West- ened argument upon the result of this unequal prone.- Lord REDESDALE observed that an inquiry was ne-
minster Medical. Society praying for means for facilitating tion Its it affected the interests of the wool trade. I eeseary, for tlsessake of the Wool-growers, and of the agri-
dieseetion ; also, a petition to the same effect from all the Neither was he disposed to go into an inouiry upon the culturists in general.
Medical Students at Edinburgh ; ditto from the-Physicians amount of taxation and of poor rates, and county rates, The Earl of HAREWOOD did not see how the Cosn-
and Surgeons of Sheffield; ditto from the physicians and and all the other burthens which weighed so grievously inittee could inqifire only into the state of British wool,
Surgeons .of Huddersfield ; dittoof Preston, Lancashire ; upon the wool growers, end compelled them to seek for without entering .into the question as to how it generally
ditto, Halifais; ditto, from the Physicians, Surgeons, and protection against fiireign competition. He was satisfied affected the nrenufactures of the country.
Members of the Hunterian Society. that he had mole out a prima facie case, that the wool After a few words from Lord Ma LmEsrlu air and Lord
Lord SUFFIELD presented a petition from the Master, grower was without any adequate protection, and he claimed ELLEbIBOROUGH, the motion for a Committee was agreed
'Warden, and Society of Apothecaries, London, praying it as an act of justice from the hands of their Lordships, to, and The Members of the Committee appointed.
that the House would adopt some measures - for enabling to he permitted to prove, before a Committee, that these The Earl of SHAFTESBURY made the Report of the
surgeons to procure subjects for anatomical dissection. The statements were correct. The Noble Duke concluded by Committee on the Stamp Duties' Repeal Bill.
Noble Lord said that the law upon this question was most moving, " That a Select Committee he appointed to in- PENRYN DISFRANCHISEMENT BILL.
extraordinary, as surgeons were liable to be Punished quire into the present condition of the Wool Trade, and re- The House resumed the examination of witnesses on the
for any injuries which they might inflict on their patients port their opinions to the House." Penryn Disfranchisement Bill. Two witnesses were exa-
through ignorance, and if they resorted to the only means The Duke of WELLINGTON expressed himself quite mined, one of Whore, a Mr. Mallet, a tavern-keeper at
of improving their skill, they were punished also. willing to accede to the Noble Duke's preposition for the Penryn, stated, that though he knew of many practices to
Lard SKELMERSDALE presented a petition from appointment of the Committee. He considered it quite infirience votes in that borouith, lie never actually saw mu-
-1 iverpool, against the practice of burning widows in India. sufficient for his Noble Friend to make out a case that a ney given for a vote. . •
'The Bishop of NORWICH presented a petition from great number of persons complained of the inconveniences 'The further examination of witnesses to be resumed to_
Newport, Mayo, praying for Catholic Emancipation. We of the system pursued with regard to the wool trade, to morrow.--Adjourned at a Quarter past Ten o'Clock.
understood the Right Rev. Prelate to say that, with the warrant the Government in consenting to an inquiry.
exception of a few Ultra Tories, every person was desirous While, however, he gave his consent, for these reasons,
-et' putting an end to those unj4st laws, which visited a to that inquiry, he begged it to be understood, that he
man with civil disabilties on account of his religious opi- did not believe any inquiry, either in that House or in any
Ilinne. The Right Reverend Prelate stated lie also had other place, could end in diet relief whirls the Noble
two petitions to present, signed by a considerable num- Mover seemed to anticipate. He consented, however, to
ber of respectable Roman Catholics in Norwich. For an inquiry into the state of the trade in long wool as well.'
twenty-three .years he had been personally acquainted with as in short, that the growers mighe_ be able to bring under
'soany of the petitioners, and could say, that no *here did thentteiiiion of the Coureuttee•whatevee they .Wright cone'
there exist wen more respectable or more sincerely loyel ; rider calculated to support their case ; but while he did so,
and yet such men, tinder the - existing laws, ' were he begged it to be understood, that it was not the inten-
iiiohed on with suspicion. 'The time was approaching, be tion of his Majesty's. Government to consent to the ireinosii.
was happy to say, when the Catholics would be restored to tion of any:further tax on foreign wool.--(Hear.)
their rights, and lie could not but consider that the Bill • The Eat! of HARE:WOOD admitted that the wool
which had just passed their Lordships had given the death- trade was in a state of considerable depression ; that he
blew to the system which hail so long prevailed. The pea. did not think that the inquiry by a Committee could be
/ions, which were from the Catholics attending Divine Ser- productive of any good to the country. He was alto ready
'vce at St. John's and St. Swithin's Chapel, Norwich, to admit, that . the: statement of the Noble Duke was
,were then read, and laid on the table. correct its to there being no increase in the quantity of
Lord LORTON presented a petition numerously signed woollens exported since the diminution of the duty ; but
by certain Protestant Dissenters residing in county Louth, while he
the ' didwor so, lie begged their Lordships to
thisfailing off
The petltion was i mid at length by the clef k. • in the exports. It ought to be recollected that he •had
' Lord LORTON said that the petition appeared to hint gone through a long and widely extended war, in which
to Le very important, and therefore he had trespassed on this country enjoyed a monophly of the trade in woollens,
their Lordships' time hy having it all read. (Hear, and. :• to the exclusion of all foreign cumpetitione—(Hear.)—lf
laugh.) - - the exports were not the same as formerly, their Lordships
Lord DARNLEIreehI that he never heard -more un- would see that there was another and a sufficieut cause for
founded allegations than' Chute' containet in the petition ; the falling off. But even admitting that this country did
hut there was one allegation whieh must excite the indig- at onetime enjoy a monopoly, which it could nut hold any.
nation of those who were net bigotfed, I meen,(strid the longer, was that a reason for throwing back upon the Con-
Noble Lord), that part of the petition which states that the tinent 211 the wool which it could produce beyond the con-
Catholics have been disloyal and disaffetted to the throne. eumption of its own manufactures? if the British wool
All their conduct proves that this charge is strirrue ; in- •groweis were to succeed is procuring a monopoly of the
steed, time preatilhle to the last Bill expressly states trade, and excluding all foreign. wool, he was • satisfied
diet the concessions then granted were in reward of that British 'wool would fall in price la exact propor-
their loyalty. Ido not wish, my Lords, to enter into pre- tion with the exclusion of the foreign. It was well
mature discussion of this mighty question, but in justice to known that the greater proportion of British wools could
an elite-weed, degraded, and vilified people, . I cannot sit not he worked up at all without a proportion of foreign
mere and listen to such allegations without entering my wool being used along with them. The woollen ina-
eolemn protest against them.—(llear.) nufacturers might be compelled to Ilse Britiels wool ;
Lord LORTON was-understood to ask whether the but their Lordships ought to recollect, that the trade was
Noble Lord objected to the petition being received, carried en by order and by patterns, and that these orders
Lord HOLLAND would not object to its being received could node executed, our
these patterns imitated, without'
although the petition was certainly not regular, es it pro- that spe of wool which the British growth did out
fessed to be against a Bill not before the House. produee.. As to the Committee which the Noble Duke
Lord LONGFORD presented a similar petition from had consented to grant, he could only say that he regretted
the Protestants of a parish in Wicklow. the Noble Mover had brought ferwaid any such proposi-
Lord HAREWOOD presented petitions from the suer- tioo. The expectations or the fears arisipg from its ap-
chants, manufacturers, wool-staplers, and other persons peiniment would have the effect of throwing the trade
engaged in the Wool trade in Leeds; praying that no further quite out of joint ; and the more so, as this was the season
duty may be laid upon the importation of Foreign Wool, when the manufeeturers were in the habit of making their
and for an enquiry into the subject. Also petitions annual purchases. .14 too, there was, as the Noble Duke.
to the same effect from individuals of'' the sonic (Wellington) states!, Ho intention to make any alteration
character residing in and near Saddleworth, Birstall. upon the subject of duty, be was very much at a loss to
Golderston, Netherton, Amley, Kirkheaton, Gornershant, understand what was the nature of the protection the Noble
Itlorley, Yeadon, Horseforth, and Various other parts in Mover desired
is to abraand traim. Atde ee em a moorhenivin distreshe s was
sas
Yorkshire. rapidly diminhing,g,
Lord J. RUSSELL, and cohere from the House of Qm-;rne I aorry to see a measure adopted which Would have the effect.
mons, brought Iva Bill agreeing to the amenrhmentsto a'Billi, of noldrigiog he whole of the districts in which the.
entitle'!, "An Act for repealing so much of the Test and 'woollen trade IR merited on. Upon the subject of time.
Corporation Acts, as went to the necessity of receiving the eixportationthat of 6
by )tea
cloths
gelati being
of the Cuto, all
Mr. Beetme and others brought up Ole Hertford Road cloths from 3s. up tn 10s. are entered as. cameras, anti all
Hill, above Ws. are entered as tine. By the altation in the
Dir. CA LC RA vr and others brought up foe Southantp tun, duty upon .foreign wool, and by the-, changes pf - the trade,
lildeford, Carnarvon, and Somersetshire Road B:ll. these prices are now very much reslOced, and the. conse-
Mr. Joyce presented a return of the weekly average im- 1 quence is, that a very large quantity of one sclothe .are
'serial Measure Of British corn, as received from the inspec- • exported under the denominatioo of coarse.; Time Noble
tors of the United Kiegdom.again urged the impropriety of granting a Comn.ittem
Lord MALMESBURY presented petitions from farmers The rarl of MADIESBLTRY contended, that a Com-
oro] landowners of Durham, and of Cleveland, Yorkshire, mitten must 10 appointed, in order to enable the com-
growers of long and short wool, praying for a return of plainants to eetaleholt the grievance before they demanded
the duty on foreign wool, and for an inquiry into the pre- the remedy. In the tea iig;trs from 1819, an account of
sent state of the wool trade. The Noble Lord presented the exports of woollens would skew. .how far the naanufac-
petitions to the strne effect from individuals residing Curers have been benefitted by the ehenge in the dude&
at or Near Thornton, Andover; and persons in different In the first five of these years, the exports amounted to
ports of England, to the same effect. 35,363,000 yards ; in the last five they amounted only to
Lord CLARE. presented petitions from the Agrieultn- 34.,691,000 yards, leaving a deficiency or falling off of
sal Association of Limerick ; the 'city of Lincoln; Wil- 672,060 yards. He said that the complainants ought to
loughby, in Lancashire ; Louth, in Lincolnshire ; and the be allowed to state theie grte-yeeces. One of them wos
parish of Carrington, Yorkshire, against the importation the excessive importatiorr offo,reign ,Yr:Pl to such an extent.
or foreign wool. as to throw all the British wool tivholly put pf the market.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE presented a petition To thew the progressive increase of this inipeetrition during
from persons engaged in ' the wool trade in Breatford, the last nine years, fie would divide that peeiptl into parts
Wiltshire, against the importation of foreign wool. of three years, and state the gross amount of importetion
The Noble Lord stated that, looking at the impression that in each. In the fu-se of these three years, he found that
pervaded so many petitions on this subject, he did not treaen the importation amouoteit to 42,500,000 pounds. In the
to oppose the House directing an inquiry into this subject, - second period of three years the importation reached an
The niehle
tot'Marqie stated that he bad a petition in his aeuteent of six ty.one millions of ponneles and in the isast it
baud, relating a Bin that had been brought into the wan actually eighty-nine millions. After otoeing ome
other House for regulating the affairs of-the Hibernian other facts, to slimw the great difficulties under which the
Itint Stock Company, but which lie sc'onld not present at . wool-grower I:thawed itomn the want of adequate protec-
present. tint], the Noble Earl ex/luded by expressing his thanks to
Lqrd WHAIINCLIFFE presented similar eetitions from the Noble Duke at the howl cf his Majesty's Government,
the Merchants, Manufacturers, Woolstaplers, and Oethersm for the readiness with which he Wel granted a Committee
of Wakefield, Hunstield, Ilolbeck, Bromley, Ifeckmottd- .. to enable the complainants to estahhtla the existence of
wick., Huddersfield, Soetheross, Longwoods, and other ' their grievances.
Flare-fie—in all ten petitions. Lord WHARNCLIFFE, with great defereeice 0,, the
On the motion of the Duke of RICHMOND, the Oider opinions.of the Noble Duke (Wellington), could not agree
of the Day was read, and the Noble Buke proceeded to say sa'itli him that it woe right to appointf a
T ode Committee
sly of this
that ha rising to move that their Lordships should appoint description. There was
se. Board o exp ap-
se 'Committee to inquire into the.causes of the present state pointed for the purpose of iretuiring into these matters;
of the Eettisii wool-growers, their Lordships would expect and lie could not understand why the parties could not lay
him to state his reasons for calling on them to do so. He before it those statements which they now required to he
would begin by referring to 1819, when the duty was 6d. heard by a Committee of the House of Lords, If they
per pound on foreign wool. Prior to that period the long collie! satisfy the Board that some alteration ought to be
war as hit& had desolated Europe, and its effects, had not made, then tt would be the duty of his Majesty's Govern-
permitted tie market of England to be overstocked with went to take tip the question ; but until they did so, he
.tirreio-mt wool. In 1825 the -duty was reduced, front• six- thought there could no be a snore injurious course with
pence to one penny, and on all wool above the value of one regard to its effect upon the woollen trad
too, e, ththere coat
at
shilling per pound the duty was fixed at one halfpenny. At which they were now about to prerone. If
the acme time the exportation of long wool was permitted. any one time more inconvenient than mailer for entering
The manufacturers were the only persons who opposed this uporo-stmcfr,au "inquiry-by aTarliatnematary.Cs,ow..ittee, it
exportation ; and the agriculturists only consented to it, was this very peri,xl. The manufacturers were now about
after repeated assurances fromhis Mutest?. Ministers that tp set out to make their purchases in the Spring Fairs of
the loss they might suffer by the reduction
the duty on the Continent, and the seinen:mow must be, that all busi-
oi of
the foreign wool would be made up to theca by the
sedan- ness or speculation will he at a biased during the progress
tageee which would acct ue from the expectation of Beitish of this inquire. Their Lord:ships might probably inia-
give that that these things were little more than a meeee mat- ' Majority
woe'. Their Lordships would see, however, that. they had
been injured by the reduction of the duty,l without re- tcr of conversation in the House of Lords ; but there was General ARCHDALL presented a petition from 10,000
eeiving. any' advantage w.hareefr from tme exdp,ourtatioln. not a house 01. a cottage in the Empire into which the Protestant inhabitants of the county of Feimanagh, against
For every sine pound of British wool exported amight the report of their determination to make these inquiries any farther concession to Roman Catholics.
- test year, one hundred and four pounds of
no wool had would not smog, and ep'on the proceedings of the bl-
eep had no wish to pre
Ites mnoatte:avoefAiVnhlienl3l,..iifocousserteeireetae.d with Mr. PRITTIE presented petitions front the following
wt.late,s,tri.;(sutle
jiypoaorl„t,wrohuok.l parishes in the county of Tipperary, in favour of Catholic
been brought into the country.
vent the importation of foreign wool ; but lie wodsell Emancipation,—viz. Tipperary, Dilly, Arc:l4aq and
see such an increase of duty as would give to the w.-4,• roughly satisfied that the greater the .quantity of foreign
the maim- wool which came into thie country, so much the better .I‘leden
Ballybeecon, Cappawhite, Templemore, Pallas-green and
, Powerstoun, Clogheen and Ballyslieekan, Donn,
growers the same protection as was enjoyed by
lecturers of the other staple commodities of the Kingdom, muse ,be fur the British wool-grower. It was a well- Liolie end Dunha, Clonen and. Drlngamo Caller, Banshas
produced in.this country axe totally untit for use, so that that the price of wool might correspond with the price known fapt, grist almost the whole of the Southdown woof Killenarile sad 11,loylcss, 11.macarthy, Bourne and Conine,
of other commodities. At present the price of Wool was now Knocklong and Glissbeeliars, 4:illinprry, me and and
net equal to what it was in 1777 ; but the letwdeos Wera less mixed up with foreigas A great change has also Holyfoot. Aliso agains Cabereee ect from the fol-
four times greater last year than at that period. The agri,. taken place during the last ten yeare, eed since the reduce lowing places, viz. : Powerstown, 'aka esti/
well as Monagh, Tipperary, Cappawhite, •Cleneen and Drangans
eulturists might have borne their own ruin with patience, .tiou cf the duty, in the quality of the weeellena, et
if they had seen that the . manufacturers of woollens bad in the Ashjor of the colorrh-s and the texture; etid unkss Bansha, Ardfinan and Ballybeacon, Killenaule and Moyless.
innniafactuce Is able to Procure the species of Ass() against the vestry act front the following places,
protitted by their ruin; but b appeared from the Returns the English
peetation of the
, that the revenue had suf- wool which allows him to.p.rokace such a quality of cloth, yiz. :—Clonmel, Tipperary, Caber, Bellybeacon and Aril-
then on their Lordships' table
eenese severely by the re'duction of the duty, and the exports the consumption of the nr!t"li 'tv°9l -Rest be proportionably titian, Cloneen and Deangap, 4aosha, Killenaule and Noy-
less, Powerstown, Cappawhite, and Newport.
of woollens had decreased. He referred to certain returns decreased. After observing that the len
then on their Loralships' table, and:they showed that ()win low priced wools had enabled out! merchants to rii„ncktztur, • Mr. HUTCHINSON presented petitions. from ewo
1823, and 1824, when the duty Wee a species of woollen at 3s. a yard , and drivei foreigners out perishes in Tipperary against the Sob-letting &1.. . .
IS2O, 1821, 1822,
sixpence, the average amount of woollens exported coop et t 4, market which they ha monopo is d,
the N,,bir, Lord MILTON preeented petitions from the coroners of
8,152,94:3 pieces, containing 35,350,617 yards; but i„ Baron proceeded to reply to the observations of the Noble York, praying for an iucrease of their feee. His Lordship
time subject of Oak Bark, and also presented petitions from friendly socielieo in Ifalifest
1818, 181,h...1826, and 1827, when the duds'
of pieces expo
y was one Duke (Richmond) upon
fall
,in price as ' -
penny, the average number
35,020,046,11f:1 w:
,V, begged time House to recollect that the high protecting duty and other places, against the Bill before the House.
8,017,350, and the number ofyards, FOREIGN WOOL.
seowsng given to it had not saved it frOin 4,9 g';%-'4
pieces, and wool. He knew very few article.s whicieh L.,.,1 pot ; Lord MILTON presented a petition from different.
a decrease in the amount exported of 135,593
of yards 530,601. His object iie submitting thesestate- fallen in price. Gold had fallen hi Price
.ftnn! K.:tens egainst any additional duty on Foreign Wool.
alarm was excited in the coun-
rnents to their Lordships was, as lie observed before, to 935. an ounce to 77,=. Foreign wool had fellen in price sts tie said
and
greap
show that there had been no increase in the exporta- much as English. The very best Saxon had fallen since • try, and he thought the timo was now come when
tion of British Woollens during the last three years, 1818, from Bs. 91 to es. 6th. ; the oext quality, from Is. his Majesty's
Minleters ought to make a declaration PP
,:o compensate for the evils which the reduction nif lod. to ee,, 2d. ; the next, from Bs. 6d. to tte. Bd. ; and the important subject ; he understood this declaration
the duty had brought upon the wool-growers. In order to the Estramadura, from 3s. 6d.SonthdoW" fell was to be ritade night,.
and he should not therefore ire,-
.shew that the British wool-grower was not sufficiently in
elBl9, 'lBl9, the year of the alteration in the duty, from 2e. pass longer on the House.
protected, nor even protected to anything like the extent aa. to is. 2d., at which price it remained for thur yeare, Mr. CHARLES GRANT said that his Majesty's 'Mi
which the Government had thought it fit to bestow upon elthough he believed it was now 9d, or Bil. The Nola nisters had cope to the resolution that a tax could

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

. . .
HOUSE OF LORDS, MAY 5.
The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat' on the
Woolsack at a quarter past five o'clock.
The Duke of GORDON presented a petition from the
physicians of Aberdeen, praying that facilities might be
afforded for procuring subjects for anatomical dissectiou.
The Noble Duke also presented a petition from the county
of Ross, against the proposed scale of.duties in the Corn
Bill.

HOUSE OF COMMONS, MAY 5.

00 the motion of Mr. BYNG the Hammersmith Bridge
and Roads Improvement Bill was read a third time. nd
passed.
Mr. Alderman WOOD presented petition front the
Governors of the London Hospital again-it thlOirslttt
London Railway Sill. Referred t 6 the 'Committee on
the Bill. • -

Mr. BROWNLOW brought up the report on the
burue and Monaghan Roads Bill.
Mr. Q. MOORE said a few words in opposition to -the
Bill, which were not audible in the gallery.
Mr. BROWNLOW replied, and the Bill, with the
amendments, was read a second time, and ordered'ty Le

engrossed.,
Lord BELL4RAVE brought up the Repod on the Ches-
ter Roads Bill, the amendments of the Committee were
agreed to, and the Bill was ordered to be engrossed.
Sir T. ACLAND brought up the Report °Ellie Com-
mittee on the Tavistock Roads Bill.—The Amendments
were agreed to, and the Bill was ordered to be engrossed.
Sir G. WARRENDER brought up the Report of the
Committee on the Aberdeen Harbour Bill. •
Mr. HUME', said, that in -1809 the Magistrates were
authorised to'borrow money to carry the improvements in
this harbour into effect. As soon as it was known,
however, in Aberdeen that the Magistrates intended to
apply to Parliament for 'a renewal of the Bill of the
year 1810, which had yet 'four years to run; public
meetings were held ; in Aberdeen, ut a more numerous'
meeting? it was resolved that some of the merchants and
ship-owners of Aberdeen should be joined with the magis-
trates as trustees, to carry on the Docks, and as a similar
provision was made With great advantage in the Dundee
Dock Bill, lie (Mr. H.), thought it disirable that such a
provision should be introduced into this Rill. The magis-
trates, to whom the management of those docks was
granted by the original Bill, had been for eight years in a
state of insolvency, and could not, during that time,
raise a shilling without the consent of their credi-
tors--a circumstance which in his (Mr. H.'s) opi.
nion was sufficient to justify the House in refusing to those
partiei a renewal of the Bill. He should therefore move
that the Report he taken into consideration this day six
months.
Mr. MABERLY seconded the amendment. He thought
it desirable that the inhabitants of Aberdeen, who paid
taxes for the interest of the money raised for carrying on
those docks, should have a voice in the expendititre of this
money, instead of leaving it wholly to a self-elected, and
therefore irresponsible, body of Magistrates.
Sir G. WARRENDER opposed the amendment. He
considered the proposition of the Hon. Member for
Montrose, no less than a total change in the corpora-
lion of Scotland. He was no way interested in thtt
matter, although he had undertaken the management of ,
the Bill, Wit he had without any authority from thecorpo-
ration of Alerileen proposed to allow that in the former Bill
they should be'reduad from niteen to thirteen, *tad that
to this latter number there sEould be added six of the
tradesmen of Aberdeen to be elected for five years, and at
the expiration of that period to be succeeded by six other
tradesmen for a similar period, and so on until the expir
tion of the time- limited by-the Bill. That propositiolf
.
was rejected, and as the object of rejecting it seemed to him.
to be to do away with the corporation of Aberdeen, he had
no other course left him but to support a renewal of the
original Bill.
Sir RONALD FERGUSON supported the amend-
ment, because he thought that the state of insolvency
in which the promoters of this Bill had, upon Their
own confession, been for eight years, was of itself,
independently of all other circumstances, sufficient
to justify this House in rejecting a Bill which was,.
in his opinion, as great a job as any which had ever been
brought under the consideration of the House.
Sir G. WARRENDER, in explanatioM said, that when
he made the proposition to which he alluded, he was igno-
raut of the circumstances of the case ; but after hearing
the evidence bell re the Committee, his conviction was that,
no case had been made out against the corporation of
Aberdeen.
Mr. FERGUSSON opposed the amendment. He con-
sidered that the appointment of any tradesmen or mer-
chants of Aberdeen, as trustees, with the management,
would only excite dissension and disunion in a body in
which the greatest unanimity had hitherto prevailed.
Sir J. NEWPORT said the Bill now before the House
was, with a few verbal alterations, the same as the former
Bill, and he thought such an attempt to impose upon the

House ought not to be countenanced.
Sir Q. CLERIC thought that the appointment of addi-
tional trustees to the . original body would cast
upon the corporation. of Aberdeen a stigma, which the
evidence before the Committee-iiid not warrant the House
in affixing upon the conduct of the respecta?le body
to which the management of those Docks had been
hitherto intrusted. The lion. Baronet went into a detail
of the proceedings of the corporation, and justified what
they had done in the exercise of the powers granted to
them by the original gill,
Mr. ABERCROMBI E said a more clear ease for rejecting
the Bill for nou-compliance with the standing order could not
come before the House than that made out by the parties
themselves, who were the promoters of this Bill, and lie
should therefore support the amendment.
Colonel WEMYSS said if there had been such a consti-
tution at Aberdeen as that enjoyed by Dundee, the Aber-
deen Harbour would have been finished long ago, and he
would support any measure which would have the effect, if
not of doing away with, at least of altering the powers
granted by the former Bill.
After a few words from Lord-Stairtis'illititiiiieelfi:
For the Amendment 103
Against it „.,„...„ .... B3