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London, England, 1861-07-29 00:00:00

THE COURTS OF JUSTICES BILL.

A discussion took place on this bill.
The Earl of DERBY said he hoped their lordships would
hot pledge themselves to chosing the site for the new courts
of law till they were quite certain the plan would be carried
out.

The LORD CHANCELLOR said, before any active
steps were taken in this matter, two things would have to
be done in the next session of Parliament. The first was
the money would have to be voted, and if that money was
to be taken out of the suitors' fund, that would also have to
be dealt with by Parliament.
The subject then dropped.
APPROPRIATION OF SEATS (SITDBURY AND

ST. ALBANS)
Earl GRANVILLE moved that their lordships go into
Committee on this bill, which proposed to appropriate the
seats in the following manner :—One to South Lancashire,
two to the West Riding of Yorkshire, and one to Birken-
head.
Lord STRATHEDEN objected to the further proceed-
ing with this measure, and accordingly moved that it be
referred to a select committee.
[LEFT SPEAKING.]
HOUSE OF COMMONS—(THIS EVENING.)
The SPEAKER took the chair at four o'clock.
PRIVATE BUSINESS.
The following bills were read a third time and passed :
Caledonian Railway (Cleland, &c. Branches) ; Caledonian
Railway (Stonehouse Branch) • Forth and Clyde Junction
RailwaSavile Estate ; Westminster Life Insurance
society (Dissolution) ; West of Fife Mineral Railway and
Charleston Railway and Harbour Companies.

RATING OF GOVERNMENT PROPERTY.
Captain JERVIS asked the Secretary of State for the
Mize Department what were the rules which had been
'aid down at the Home-office with respect to recommending,
or otherwise, commuted allowances towards the payment of
rates for Government property in certain parishes
Sir G. C. LEWIS said there was no exact proportion
fixed on for the rating of Government property, but it bore
its fair proportion.

COMMITTAL OF THOMAS CARTER.
Mr. H. LEWIS asked the Secretary of State for the
Horne Department,whether his attention had been called to
the case of Thomas Carter, who was, on Monday the 15th
day of July, brought before Thomas Thorpe Fowke and
Le Marchant Thomas, Esq., at the Ryde Police-court,
charged with being a vagrant and sleeping in the open air
at Oakfield, and who was committed by those magistrates
to 'Winchester gaol for three weeks, and ordered to be kept
to hard labour for that period ; and if so, whether he had
given, or intended to give, orders for his immediate re-
lease ?
• Sir G. C. LEWIS said that a letter was written to the
committing magistrate requesting him to furnish the Home-
office with a report of the proceedings in this case, but
.that
request had not been complied with. He had been written
to a second time, but with the same result; and he (Sir G.
C• Lewis) had directed that he should be written to a third
time.

THE GALWAY CONTRACT.

In reply to Mr. GREGORY,
Lord PALMERSTON said that, as members were aware,
the contract with the Galway Company was at an end. The
report of the committee which sat on this subject was in the
hands of hon. members, but he believed the evidence before
the committee had not yet been printed, and until her Ma-
jesty's Government had considered the evidence, as well as
the report, he could not state what would ba their intention.
As he had stated before, it would be more desirable for
commercial intersts that the most direct communication
should be provided with Newfoundland, and Ireland neces-
sarily was the part of the United Kingdom which
was the most eligible for that purpose. The only
question for consideration was what point in thq,t country
should be selected, but as Galway was the most central
place in regard to railway communication, it might pro-
bably be considered the most desirable for the object in
question.

LOAN FOR THE UNITED STATES.
Mr. GREGORY asked the First Lord of the Treasury
if it was true that the loan for the purposes of the United
States Government was being raised on the Stock Ex-
change?
Lord PALMERSTON said that he was not cognisant of
nny such proceeding as that alluded to.
THE NEW FOREST REGULATION BILL.
Sir F. KELLY asked the Chief Commissioner of Works
(in the absence of the Secretary of State for the Home De-
partment), whether it was the intention of her Majesty's
Government to proceed during the present sessi,n with the
bill for the better regulation of the New Forest ?
Mr. PEEL said it was not intended to proceed with this
CONSOLIDATION FUND APPROPRIATION BILL
On the motion for the second reading of this bill,
Lord R. MONTAGU moved that the bill be not read a
second time until it had been printed and in the hands of
members.
Alter some remarks from Mr. Williams, Mr. Henley, and
General Peel,

-11eCHAI4CELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said the dif-
ficulty of placingthe 600 copies of the bill in the hands of hon.
members was not the matter of expense, but arose from;the
impossibility of printing that number of copie, soon enough
to allow competent time for hon. members to consider the
figures without lengthening the session. Ho thought the
noble lord should not press his motion at present, but it
might be brought forward with benefit to the public service
on a future occasion.
Mr. 5. ESTCOURT considered that a week or a fort-
night should intervene between the passing of the last vote
Bill
supply and the second reading of the Appropriation

Sir G. BOWYER said that the practice with reference
to other bills was not to read them a second time until they
had been printed, and he did not see why they should de-
part from that course in reference to this particular bill.
lie had just seen the printed form of this bill, and nothing
Could be more informal. It had been seen that it was
flerely a proof, but he thought it was the duty of the Go-
"vernment not to persevere in so irregular a course in re-
aped to this bill for the future.
Mr. HENNESSY said that there were no names on the
'Jack of the bill.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said the'
Mr. Massey and himself (the Chancellor of the Exchequer:
brought in the bill.
Mr. BAILLIE said unless the right hon. gentleman the
Chancellor of th Exchequer would give some assurance
that the course would not be persevered in, he trusted his
noble friend (Lord R. Montague) would not withdraw his
Motion.
Sir C. WOOD said that the hon. member might be de-
sirous to protraet the session for a fortnight or perhaps
longer, by objectinc, to a practice which had not been
Previously impugned. He believed, however, the hon.
member would be rather solitary in his desire to protract
the present session. (Laughter.)
Sir G. C. LEWIS said that this bill was merely to give
legal effect to the votes of supply that had already been
g:sranted, and the course pursued was in accordance with
rarliamentary practice.
Mr. AYRTUN considered that the noble lord (Lord R.
Ilontague) had done much service in bringing the subject
forward and condemned the Government for not bringing
'3ll the votes in supply at an earlier period of the session, so
as to ensure them an ampler consideration than they at
Present received. However, they could not take a retro-
ttPeetive view, and he would not advise the noble lord to
Press his motion at present, but hoped he would bring it
forward at an early period of next session.
Lord PALMERSTON said it was most unjust of inde-
Tiattlent members to blame the Government or not bring-
-1,1;'.1 on the votes of supply at an earlier period of the see-
.l°lll When they were prevented doing so by hon. members
-availing themselves of the privilege to bring betbe the house
variety of topics on the motion for going into committtee of
;3:1°,14, which necessarily delayed the progress of the esti-
s eB. The Aroriation Bill was a meely formal inea-
:re, and the hopupsep was not empowered for reject any of the
eases it contained.
HENLEY dissented from the dictum of the Prime
Tater, and believed the members had the power tn
alterations in any bill brought before the house. He
itt;erdd that a different course would be pursued in respect
bill next session.
PA.LMERSTON explained that what he intended
°fltvey was not that hon. members had not any right to
re'ret on altering any bill, but that by rejecting this bill
Krastel.
:Ntould be rescinding the votes they had previously
bill he motion was negatived without a division, and the
was read a second time.
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MILITIA BALLOTS SUSPENSION BILL.
This bill was read a second time.
EAST INDIA COUNCIL, &c., BILL.
The Lords' amendments to this bill were considered and
agreed to.

This Day,
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Yarmouth 3OlO 59 58 W. 3 2 C. 3
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Dover 3Oll 68 65 S. 2 4 0. 1
Portsmouth
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Plymouth
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EXPLANATION.—B. Barometer, corrected and reduced
to 32 deg at mean sea level; each 10 feet of vertical rise
causing about 1-100th of an inch diminution, and each 10
deg above 32 deg cauing nearly 3-100ths increase. E.
Exposed thermometer in shade. M. Moistened bulb (for
evaporation and dew-point). D. Direction of wind (true—
not magnetic). F. Force (1 to 12—estimated). C. Cloud
(1 to 9). I. Initials :—b,, blue sky ; c., clouds (detached) ;
f., fog. ' • h., hail ; 1., lightning ; m., misty (hazy) ; 0.,
overcast (dull) ; r., rain ; s., snow ; t., thunder. A letter
repeated augments—thus, r.r., much rain. S. Sea disturb.
7.nce (1 to 9).