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London, England, 1857-07-03 00:00:00

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LEFT SITTING.

HOUSE OF COMMONS—(This Day.)
The SPEAKER took the chair at four o'clock.
The Lords Amendments to the Forth and Clyde Junc-
tion Rail way and Saint Philip's Church (Liverpool) Bills
were considered and agreed to.

Tae London Gas Light Company (Capital) ; Metro-
politan Ca tle Market ; North Level Drainage ; Orkney
Roads ; Reading Railways Junction Railway ;
Salisbury and Yeovil Railway ; South -Eastern
Railway (Greenwich Junction to D 'Word, e&c ), Swan-
sea Harbour Trust and Swansea Dock Company, Vic-
toria Ga+, and West of Fife Mineral Railway bills were
read a third time and passed.
The Bourne and Easendine Railway, Islington Parish
Acts Amendment; Rhywney Rad way ; Tweed Fisheries;
Lancaster and Carlisle and Ingieton Railway ; and
Thames and Medway Conservancy Bills were further
considered and ordered t he read a third time.
The Hereford Cathedral Restoration Bill was read a
second time.

THE THAMES AND MEDWAY CONSERVANCY
BILL.

Sir J. GRAHAM called the attention of the house
to this bill, which proposed to deal with the
question that had been a long timein dispute between the
Corporation of London and the Crown, relative to waste
spots on the embankments of toe Thames. The bill pro-
posed to deal with two prints of great public import-
ance, viz., the constitution of the body of the c oiser-
vators ; and, secondly, as to the funds to be raised
from shipping by that body. He was of opi-
nion that the conservancy body, instead of being
nominated, as was proposed by the bill, by a
close body, should be elected by those who had to
pay the due , and, secondly, that dues should not be le-
vied upon shipping, and should not he exacted to a greater
extent than stupor g purposes required. He asked whe-
ther the recommendation of the Board of Trade were oot
to t e pr—posed constitution of the former, and read ex-
tracts from the report of the B tard of Trade eh° ving
that the corporatkn of London would po-se-,s 4reater
powers under the formation of the conservancy body
than the Government. In reference to the second point,
the right hon. baronet als t read extracts from reports
of the Board of Trade, and said that the bill would
not carry out the recommendation of the B .ard of Trade
for the re,luction of the dues if any surplus remained
to be carried out.

The CLIANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said
that no departure of the principle laid down in the re-
port of the London Corporation Committee had been
ssseuted to by the Government. The only variation
that ba'l been made was one of detail, and not of prin-
ciple. The dispute between the Government and the
Corp ration of London was with reference to the right
to pieces of waste land between high and low water. Toe
Corporation claimed it as conservatories of the Thames,and
appled the funds to the conservancy of the river, and
the G)vernment claimed the bed and shores of the
river between high and low water mark at belonging to
the Crown. The right hon. gentleman proceeded to de-
tail at considerable length the dispu•es between the cor-
pontion and the Government relative to this matter,
which it was attempted to settle in 1846, and what bad
been done subsequently towards that otjeet. The board
was to consist of six members of the corporation,

three to be appointed by Government and two by
the Trinity-house, which, he thought, wauld give
the Government a fair preponderance, because he con-
sidered more weight ought to ba given to the persons
nominated by Government than to their members. If
tha Corporation of London were found to act improperly,
the matter would be reconsidered by the Government
with a view to its alteration.

Mr. L. KING moved the adjournment of the debate
till this day week.
After some remarks from Mr. W. WILLIAMS,
Mr. LABOUCIIERE resisted the motion for the
adjournment• of the debate. The bill had been referred
to a select committee and thoroughly examined, and the
whole of the facts were known to the house. He
still of the opinion be had formerly expressed that a tax
levied in a given part upon shipping should be applied
to tne shipping purposes of that port, and be under the
controul of a separate body,
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Sir D. L. EVANS asked what amount of taxation
would be conceded to the c.rporatlon under this b 11.

and expressed an opinion that no greater taxes should
he levied on the shipping of the pmt than was ne-
cessary for its conservancy. Several important ques-
tions were involved in this bill, and be should sup-
port the hon. and learned baronet, the member for
Carlisle, for an adjournment.
The CHANCELLOR, Gf the EXCHEQUER said
it was not proposed, by this bid, to give new power
to tax shipping. The present navigation fund was in
arrears 2,8441, and be thought it was not likely that
the income would be increased.

Mr. HENLEY approved of the constitution of th.
Proposed board, and exprthsed an opinion that adjourn.
ing the debate would be injurious to the parties Inte-
rested. lie thought this bill proposed a satisfactory
arrangement, considering the right of the respective
parties were in (Lennie.

Sir J. GRAHA.M. wont] not press for a division, but
wait till the further stage of the bill. In the meantime
he advised h.m. members to read the rep irts of the Board
of Trade in reference to this subject. It he read the bill
ri4htly, there was a new principle in it for taxing ship-
ping between Putney and Teddington, and an appropri-
atlon of the surplus, to which he also objected. It also
dealt with matters relative to the coal and corn duties.
He proposed that the bill should n. 4 be advanced a
stage, but that it should stand over, and the matter con-
sidered befure its third reading.
Sir G. GREY said it was not a Government bill, but
arrangements should be made to meet the views of the
house.

Sir J. SHELLEY suggested that the third reading
of the bill should stand over till this day week. He would
then recornmet,cl the withdrawal of the amendment.
Sir J. DUKE defended the conduct of the Corporation
of L indon in ic,troduciog this bill.
Sir G. GREY said that no private bill would be re-
ceived aft.-r Wednesday next by the House of Lords.
He suggested that the third reading should stand over
till Tuesday.
The amendment was withdrawn, and the third reading
fixed for Tuesday nt xt.
TEWKESBURY ELECTION.

Mr. ELLIS jun., reported that the committee ap-
pointed to inquire into the election of Tewkesbury de-
clared Mr. J. Martin duly elected for that borough.
INDIA..

Lord C. HAMILTON asked the First Lord of the
Trea.ury, what day he would give for the conclusion of
the Indian debate, the adjournment of which on the 23d
June was agreed to by the President of the Board of
Control on the ground of the great importance of the
sutjset.
1.4-,rd PALMERSTON said he was unable to fix a
definite period fir the resumption of the debate, owing
to the pressure of business.
ORDNANCE SURVEY.
Sir D. NORREYS asked the Secretary to the Trea-
sury when the supplemental estimate for the ordnance
survey of Scotland would be presented to the house ;
and whether any orders or instructions had been issued
to the Ordnance Department in respect of the scale on
which the Survey of Scotland and England was to be
drawn in future.
Mr. WILSON could not state the precise time when
the supplemental estimates wculd be presented. After
the decision of the house, orders had been issued to the
Ordnance Department, that all work commenced from
this time should be drawn on the 6 inch scale.
POSTAL COMMUNICATION BE CWEEN LON-
DON AND DUBLIN.

Mr. CORRY asked the Secretary to the Treasury
whether the Government had accepted the conditions
of a contract fur an impr,ved Postal and Passenger
Communication between London and Dublin.
Mr. WILSON said that, with the exception of
one point of a trifling character, arrangements bad been
made between the Great Northern Railway and the
Post-office for the conveyance of the mail, roe land
passage would be performed in 3i hours, and the whole
service between London and Kit geton would occupy 11
hours, and between London and Dui lin 11 hours.
THE CASE OF JOHN TILLEY.

Mr. DRUM MOND asked the Secretary of State for
the Home Department what report. he had received from
the Coanni,sioners of Lunacy with regard to the cum-
i.laint of Thomas Tilley, that he had been confined in au
iron jacket in a dark room for ,even weeks in the Bever-
ley Retreat for Luuetics near York, to which Commis-
siuntra the sail complaint was sebt for inve-t+gation ?
Sir G. GREY said that this lunatic was a vi .lent man,
bu', the cotnru s•iouers had condemned, in strong
the particular tieattnent complained of, which conduct
would not be tepeateci in future.
BOARD OF HEALTH ACT.

Oa the motion of adjournment,
Mr. PALK asked the Secretary of State for the Home
Department if it Was the intention of the Government
to bring in a bill to remey the deftcl-,9 proved before a
select committee of the pred eent Board of Health !
[LEFT SITTING.]