The Sun.
London, England, 1861-10-28 00:00:00

eyes had a very peculiar expression. Her throat
looked dark, and there were marks of nails on the
right side. She was scratched. Her dress was very
much torn. It was perfectly new; she had worn
it but once before. I did not see any marks on her
shoulders.
Sergeant Doyle of the G division, was examined
by Seijeant Sullivan--He said that on the Ist of
October he met the prisoner in Dawson street, and
he asked him what time he was home on Friday
night. He said a quarter after 9 o'clock. Saw the
prisoner again on the 7th of October at his aunt's
house, in Grant's-row. Constable Dawson was
with him. The prisoner said in reply to him that
he was in bed on the 27th at 10 o'clock. Brought
him then to Mrs. Connor, his employer, to test the
truth of his statement. Saw Mrs. Connor in the
stable.
Mr. Sidney said that the policeman taking the
prisoner and saying that he must bring him before
his employer was an imprisonment.
Judge Ball—The witness says that the prisoner
went willingly with him.
Mr. Sidney—Oh, we all go willingly when we
can't help it. (Laughter.)
In reply to counsel, the witness' stated that he
would not have let the prisoner go.
Mr. Sidney contended that the statements made
by the prisoner to the policeman after being taken
before Mrs. Connor should not be received in evi-
dence.
Judge Ball asked an authority.
Mr. Curran cited a case showing that it would
be a threat if the prisoner were told he would be
taken before a magistrate.
Judge Ball—lf Mrs. Connor was a magistrate
your case would apply. (Laughter.)
Mr. Curran said there was a threat held out to
the prisoner that he would,be brought before a per-
son to whom he must tell the truth.
Mr. Sidney cited a case from " Cox's Report" to
show it was the duty of the magistrate, and not a
policeman, to question a witness. It further stated
that Judge Christian disapproved the practice of
policemen questioning prisoners.
Judge Ball said that practice and evidence were
two different things.
After some further discussion the matter dropped.
Examination continued—The question was put to
Mrs. Connor. Witness asked Mrs. Connor in the
presence of the prisoner what time he was home at
night. She said she thought between 11 and 12
o'clock. Witness said thinking would not do—that
she should tell the truth.
Mr. Curran objected to putting the torture on a
prisoner in this way.
To Mr. Sidney—Witness may have said that
every cabman was expected to account for his time,
but would not swear. This was before the conver-
sation in the stable. It was said to a good many
cabmen that they would have to account for their
time. Had no recollection of saying anything to
this effect to the prisoner, though he said it to others.
To Mr. Sidney—l remember the day on which
the 19 cabmen were paraded at the Castle-yard ;
after that inspection three men were retained. Cur-
ran was one of these. They were brought one by
one into a narrow hall in one part of the office. I
cannot say whether Miss Jolly was in the parlour
next that hall. When Curran went into the hall I
was standing in an archway at the opposite side. I
could not say which of the three cabmen went in
first. I suppose Curran may have been seven or
eight minutes in the hall. Craven, Meares, and
Dawson, also members of the Detective force, were
there.
Launcelot Dawson, 23 G, examined—l was with
Doyle when he spoke to Curran on the Ist October.
I heard him ask Curran what time he had been
home on the night of the 27th.
Acting-Inspector Craven was then called.
Mr. Barry—Were you one of the detectives pre-
sent when Curran was in the Castle-yard?
Witness—Yes.
Mr. Barry (to the counsel for the defence)—You
may now ask him any questions you like.
Cross-examined by Mr. Sidney—l was in the
hall when Curran was brought in. I don't know
whether Miss Jolly was in the parlour at the time.
The parlour door was shut.
Acting-Inspector Meares, also of the G division,
was called and stated, in reply to Mr. Walsh, that
he was the detective spoken of by Doyle as having
been present in the Castle-yard on the day on which
the 19 cabmen were paraded.
To Mr. Sidney—l believe that three cabmen, of
whom the prisoner was one, were brought into the
hall in the Castle-yard. I don't know whether
Miss Jolly,was in the adjoining parlour.
Were these three cabmen told that if they came
that day they would not be required to come
again ?—The 19 cabmen when brought together in
the Detective-office, before they were paraded, were
told that by attending that day it would become
unnecessary for them to come to the parade on the
following 'morning.
Was this told to the three cabmen in the hall ?
—Not in my presence.
Are you sure of that P—They may have been told
so, but I did not hear it ; it was when the 19 men
were in the Detective-office before being paraded
that I heard a statement of the kind made to them,
Craven was the last detective officer who was with
the three cabmen in the hall.
At the request of Mr. Sidney, Acting-Inspector
Craven was recalled.

Mr. Sidney—Did you hear the three men told
that they need not come again P—l did not ; they
were told they might go away for the present. I
am quite sure this is what they were told.
Why were they brought in the hall ? Was it
that Miss Jolly might hear what was said and re-
cognise the voices ?—lt was that they might be
asked questions.

Were they questioned in the hall ?—Yes.
Was Curran asked any questions ?—He was ; he
was asked his name, who was his employer, where
he had been on the night of the outrage ; at what
hour he got in, and how he had been employed.
Mr. Barry—We have heard the questions, now
tell us the answers.

Witness—He told me his name, and that his em-
ployer was Mrs. Connor, of Steven's-lane; that on
the night of the outrage he was in the lane beside
the Exhibition, which is a car-hazard, and that he
got a job from there ; that he got a lady and gentle-
man, and drove them to College green, to the door
of Jury's Hotel; that they got out of the cab there,
and the gentleman paid him his fare, and that he
could not tell whether they entered the hotel, re-
mained standing on the footway, or walked away,
and that it was raining heavily at the time. He
also added that he returned from that and got in
upon a hazard at the lower end of Nassau-street or
Lincoln•place ; that while there he was asked by
two different persons to be engaged ; that he refused
the engagement ; that he went home to Mrs. Con-
nor's, and that he arrived there between half-past
9 and 20 minutes to 10 o'clock; that after giving
up the cab and horse to Mrs. Connor he went home
to his lodgings at his aunt's; that as the clock was
striking 10 o'clock his aunt was , pulling off his
coat; that there were no other persons there ex-
cept his aunt and two men, who were in bed ; that
he did not know whether these two men were asleep
or awake, and that he slept by himself ; that he
bad heard Mrs. Connor state that he was not in
until 12 or between 11 and 12, and that when she
stated this he did not contradict her. I asked him
why he did not contradict her, and he gave me no ,
reply. This is all the conversation I had with him,
except that I asked him had he been in Sackville-
street upon the night of Friday, Sept. 27. He
said he was not there at any time, either in the
night or the day.
To \2r. Sidney—l suppose the stand to which
Mrs. Connor's cab belongs would be Baggot-street.
I don't know this of my own knowledge, but, know-
ing that cab-owners are required to send their cabs
to the main stand nearest their residences, I believe
that Baggot-street stand would be that to which
Mrs. Connor's cabs should go.
Maria Connor, examined by Sergeant Sullivan—
I am a nursetender. I live in Steven's-place. I
was the owner of a cab on the 27th of September
last. The prisoner, John Curran, was in my em-
ployment as driver of that cab. He had been in my
employment about a fortnight altogether, and he left
me on the Friday after the 27th. The stable is
about five yards from my house. The stable door
opens into the lane, and the entrance door of my
house is next to it. I remember the night of the
27th of September. The prisoner came back to my
house between 11 and 12 o'clock that night. lam
quite sure of that. A person named Croft lives next
door to me, under the same roof. I had seen Croft
before Curran came home that evening. I saw him
a few minutes past 10 going into his mother's room.
A few minutes before I saw him I heard the church
clock in Upper Mount-street strike 10. I have
clock in my own house, and that evening it stopped
at 8. I heard Mount-street clock strike 11. I Was
watching the clock to set my own, and I then set it
to 11. It was near 12 when Curran came home. I
heard my own clock strike 12 just as Curran went
away. I saw him arriving at the door, and he
backed the'cab into the stable, the door being open.
He gave me money, and I said to him that it
was
a wet night. It was 7s. 6d, he gave me. He wa
sober. After giving me the money he did up his
horse and went away. From the time hebacked
his cab into the stable until he went away about 20
minutes elapsed. When he was out of the stable
and going away the clock struck 12. He wore his
drab top coat and a " Jerry" hat---the way in which
heftley wmas usuallyemployment d i•ess eodf
hiswEl when
n driving
his horse
he bad
horse a
twond n o
otaccord saying that
to earn. He had com-
plained
r three times before.
Cross-examined by Mr. Curran 7-1 have two sons
and two daughters. My eldest son is 28 end my
youngest daughter 13. They were all iu bed that