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LIAIVIEr4T.

IMPERIAL
HOUSE OF LORDS-(YESTERDAY.)
MILITIA. BILL.

This bill was read a third time and passed.
The CJurt of So sions (Scotland) bill was read a
third time and passed,
The General Board of Health Continuance bill was
r cad a third time and passed.
The Elicit Distiaation (Ireland) Bi 1 was itead a
third time and passed.
Toe Loan Societies 81, wa9 read a third time and

miod.
The Burial Grounds (Scotland) Bill was read a third
time and passed.
The Jurisdiction in Sam. Bill was read a third time
and passed,
The Mnnicipal Corporation Bill passed through com-
mittee.

NEW ZEALAND BILLS.
On the motion of Lord STANLEY, the standing orders
were suspended, and the New Zealand Loan Guarantee
bill, the New Zealand Cpmpany's Claim bill, and the
New Z:alattd Government Act Amendment bill were
real a second time.
EASTERN BENGAL RAILWAY COMPANY

BILL.
Lord STANLEY moved the suspension of the stand-
ing order No. 179, to enable their lordships to read this
bill a second time.
The motion was agreed and the bill was read as
propaßed.
ELECTION OF REPRESENTATIVE PEERS.
Tie debate with respect to the right of voting
at the election of Irish representative peers was
adjourned until Thurtdirnext.

HOUSE OF COMAIONS.—(YasTnetne.Y.)
THE MARINES IN CHINA.
Mr. T. MILLER asked the First Lord of the Admi-
ralty whether the two battalions of the Royal Marines
now under orders for China wool] receive the field
allowance and the same pay as that granted to her Ma-
jesty's troops of the line when serving in India, should
they be employed on shore or on field duty ?
Sir C. WOOD was understood to say that he was not
aware of any difference being made. The Marines now
en route to China would have the same allowances as
the Marines already there.
COMMITTEES OF SUPPLY.
Leal J. RUSSELL brought up the report of the com-
mittee on committees of supply.
LAND TRANSPORT CORPS.
Mr. ROEBUCK presented a petition from members
of the land transport corps, and gay(' notice of his in-
tention to move that it be printed with the votes.
THE PRINCIPALITIES.
Mr. DISRAELI—Perhaps it may be more conve-
nient if I now make the inquiry respecting recent pro-
ceedings of the ambassadors at Constantinople of which
I have given notice. The house is aware that the am-
bassadors of four European powers at Constantinople
have struck their flags, and I infer from that that they
have at least suspended diplomatic relations with the
Porte. It is understood further that this extreme and
violent proceeding has arisen out of a misunderstanding
as to the form of government to be established in the
Principalities of Moldavia and Wallachia. It was
understood that at the Congress of Paris there was an
accordance of opinion upon this subject between France
and Begland, both powers being in favour of the anion
of the provinces ; but now it would appear that'there is
a contrariety of opinion between France and Eaggnd
and what I want to know whether the noble lord at
the heal of the Government can give US any information
on the sul ject—whether there is any prospect of an
amicable settlement of the existing differences between
England and France, or any fear of an estrangement of
feeling, which all would deplore, or of any interruption
of the much-cherished alliance between the two coun-
tries (Hear) •
Leal PALMERSTON—I am not surprised that the
right hon. gentleman should ask the question, as the
various statements which have appeared in the papers
must have given rise to a certain amount of anxiety on
the part of the public. There have been, it is true,
differences of opinion at Constantinople., but not, as the
right hon. gentleman imagines, on the queatign of union
or no union, but with respect to the regularity or irre-
gularity of the elections which bad taken place in Mol-
davia. The right hon. gentleman is aware that by the
treaty of Paris there were to be chosen in the two pro-
vir.ces representative assemblies, which were to take into
consideration the wants and wishes of the people of the two
produces with regard to their internal organisation and
arrangement. There were to be commissioners appointed
by the six Powers, to be pre:resent in the Principalities
during the elections and del:heratioes, and when the
asseintTes should have expressed their wishes, and the
commissioners should have roads their reports on what
bad passed, their wishes and their reports wero to be
submitted to the Congress of Paris, which was to reas-
semble for that purpose—not as before, but to be com-
posed of the resident ambassadors from the respective
courts. The representative of the Porte was to be of the
number, and they wire to deliberate on the representa-
tions and the report, and to concert with the Sultan an
arrangement for the c institutional governmeot ot the two
provinces. \VeP, the Porte in the execution of this ar-
rangement issued a finnan directiA to t in governors of
the two preainees, setting forth the manner in which the
elections were to take place, giestiocs arose as.to the
interpretation of certain parts of the firman, which
had been settled with the unanimous consent of the re-
presentatives of the six powers at Constantinople, acting
in concert with the Turkish government. Certain ex-
planations were given on the 31st May by the Turkish
government in regard to that finnan ; those explanations
were sent to the commissioners at Bucharest and they
were to be transmitted to the governor of Moldavia,
to be applied, not only in Moldavia, but also in Wal-
lachia in so far as they were applicable, having due con-
sideration for certain local differences as to laws and re-
gulations. Well, what with telegraphic messages, what
with irregularities on the part of those who oug.ht to
have transmitted the documents—l speak of the c:ffLers
of the Turkish Government—the elections in Moldavia
took place without reference to those interpretation=,
and there prevailed au impression that those elections
were not in accordance with regularity and law, and
that if those interpretations had been strictly followed,
the results would have been different. Tide was repre-
sented to the ambassadors at Constsu inople,_ and four of
them, the French, Russian, Parisian, and S irdinian
severally, and without acquainting the English and Aus-
trian ambassadors with their inten.ions, c died on the
Turkish Government to aanul the electiOns, have the
electoral lists reviser!, and order the elections to com-
mence over again. The Porte felt that these demands
which applied to matters that had been treated in com-
mon by the f3x powers, ought not to come from four
alone, and declin,,d complying with the request, saying,
however, that if it were made by the six, it would place
the matter in a different position. There were misunder-
standings on ell sides, and the result was that France,
Russia, Prussia, and Sardinia either all hauled down
their flags or interrupted diplomatic relations, or were
abut to do it, and relations were about to be suspended
between those powers and the Potts. The recent visit of
the Emperor of the French to 0 •borne accompanied by
his Minister of Foreign Affairs, gave the English Go-
vernment an opsortunity of coming to a full understand-
ing with the French Government on this subject,
fa acie
nd
we thought undoubtedly that sufficient priara L
grounds of irregularity had not been prayed, but found
the contrary opinion to be so prevalent as to make it
desirable in the interests of the Porte itself that these
elections should be revised, and be made in conformity
with the accepted 'interpretation of the firmer). We
have reason to believe that Austria is disposed to
take similar views, and, that being so, we have good
reason to believe that the Sultan, not feeling
his dignity or independence at all compromised by yield-
ing to toe representations of the whole of his allielling s, will
take the course recommended, viz., that of annu th
elections, having the lists properly revised, and having
the new elections take place 15 days after the lists have
been so revised. Therefore there are no grounds for ap-
prehending any difference of opinion between the Go-
vernments of England and France on these points, which
would be at ail likely to interrupt the harmony and good
understanding that
PORATION prevails at pßEFOßMresent. (C.heers )
In answer to Sir J. SHELLEY,
Sir G. GREY said it was the intention of Govern-
ment to propose a measure on the subject of corporation
reform early in the ensuing session.
SMITHFIELD -MARKET.
Sir J. SHELLEY asked the Chancellor of the Exche-
quer whether the Government would, as far as they had
the power to do so, insist upon the area lately occupied
by the market in Smithfield being preserved as an open
space I
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said the
question had come under the consideration of the corpo-
ration of London, and the latter had laid certain plans
before Government with a view of establishing a dead
meat market on a portion of the site. The Government
did not give its assent to those plans, and they had been
referred back, in order that other plans might be pre-
pared. He expected to receive the revised plans shortly.
THE INDIAN MAIL,
Mr. SPOONER asked whether there was any truth
in the report that an Indian mail had arrived ?
Lord PALMERSTON cautioned the hon. member
against the many idle reports which were current. The
mail had not arrived.
MILITARY CHAPLAIN.
On the order of the day being read for going into com-
mittee of supply,
Col. NORTH, on behalf of Gen. Windham, who was
absent, inquired whether when a clergyman entered the
army as an assistant chaplain, his service counted for his
retirement in the same way as that of an assistant-snr-
geon ; and, if not, why not
Sir J. RAMSDEN replied thatthe serviceof a clergy-
man entering the army as an assistant chaplain did not
count in the same way for retirement as that of an assis-
tant surgeon, and the reason was that the assistant
surgeon was a commissioned officer, while the chaplain
held only a temporary appointment.
TROOPS FOR INDIA.
Sir DE LACY EVANS, pursuant to notice, rose to
draw the attention of the house to the military arrange-
ments being made for meeting the contingency that has
occurred in the Bengal Native Army. The hon. and
gallant officer spoke in so low atone that wewere unable
to give more than an outline of his remarks. He was
understood to say that, considering they were about to
prorogue during anemergency of mementoes importance
in reference to the military power of the country, it

place us in any difficulty at an earlier period than that in
would not be thought unreasonable that he, aI; a proles- I army was by recruiting for the line and the militia, and ,
to . . .. ~ to. as of far greater importaace than recruit-
sional man, should endeavour to -direct attent ion to the aie a mea'is for supplying the ranks of the army he looked which we ehall have restored our home fore to
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given whi?astlterecreiting. I centinuoin efforts to meet them ;
had taken or were about' to take to meet the emergency, .
decided testimony that failed during the late war it
and, though he was aware that advice effete it to the Go- The lite Lord Herdinge hadbut as far at foreign
Y countries are concerned nothing bee happened to alter
vernment was not generally acceptable, to at; to eel^ views to that effect, and many hon. and pliant offieers then in
of what ought to be done torender the me k
litary resources the house uew how perfectly unsatisfactory and un- ethics condition of thiogs which existed at the beginning
an everything that comes from hint is well deserving
the year. My lion. and gallant friend pointed out—
of the nation adequate to the occasion. He feared that
available it was. Now he thought the time had arrived i
they ought to c nsider what wore the causes of d a
when I of consideration—among other-Things that which bas
Government had not appreciated as fully as he had dons
this great difficult which nudoubtedity:eebxeisliteerdedof re- I been suggested elsewhere, the desirability of sanding
the importance of the contingency which Lai arisen ; for, cruitiag the army. difficulty
chief reason, 1 through Eeyot the reinforcements destined for India.
with regard to our naval force, they had contented them- that adequate inducements were not offers I t, vouwnaes
selves with an addition of 2,000 sailors ;and marines—an men to enlist. lie believed 101. only was the meximunse In the first instance this is a measure which appears to
instly
assuumniien,th that which my hon. and gallant friend
bounty in the late Russian war, whereas in the previous
y lowed with the transport twieenaeg a(asesery
.favoable aspect; but there are censidere.-
aldition obviously insufficient for the re quiremente of the
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fecal Government of Egypt i pt would make nog ejection) con-
-200. which Sir J. Bowring had brougt tU3 into in China. war double that amount was allowed. But it had been
stated, he believed, by several- authorities, and amongst
Ten as to the militia ; there seas an estimate of stilsoyertGoofy
000/. only for the extra expenditure fer this force them the late Commander-in-Chief that a heivy bounty
until March next ; although it app eared that we had wag objectionable because it encouraged desertion. That j Egypt by way of Alexandria and
barely any regeler troops in garrison at home. He could might be so ; but, whether or not, he would suggest to ' Suez which make it a
1 m titer of great inconvenience so much so that
not know wbaa our relations) with other countries were the governreent that it was a subject well worthy of their the regiments from India wbich* were
sent to the Crimea
at present, and he hoped there was no reason to ap- consideration what were the causes of the difficul'y of by the way of the Rid S
prebend any interruption of peace ; but it was surelyrecruiting the
n. army, and what it was that occasioned the General in Egypt stated that there were so many diffi-
scarcely politic or becoming in a great power like Eng- u willingness on the part of the groat body of the people culties connected with the arrangements that b h
land to allow itself to appear to the world as compare to cuter into the military service of their country ; be• he should net be asked to mak
lively disarmed. But, having denuded the country of the cause, unless means could be devised for facilitating the similar proceeding again. In thaatrrang: arrangements a
every
regultr troops, the noble 1 :rd the Secretary for War had reinforcements of the army very serious results might arrangement whs made beforehand for supplying ltee,
upp ying meetly
put it forward merely as a possible contingency that a tepee place. (Bear, hear.) Looking, then, Oahe militia of transport, and every preparation
the chief source from whim •
portion of the militia force might be called out ; and it . reinforcements to the dating the transmission of those regiments
was made for tactile
to the Crimea.
was this cemninetanee chiefly that lee him to teink that regular troops could be drawn, he confessed be was But, take the cave as it stands now, and s
the Government did not sufficiently appreciate the enter- disappointed when he found the estimates to be pro- to-morrow morning we were to send threeuppose that
gency that bad arieen. In looking novel to see where posed for the militia was only 200,0001. (Hew hear.) thousand troop) to India through Egypt. What
tr fourwould
we might collect our forces if needed, the garrisons of He had heard it said that at some time bet wean he the operation 'I We must be prepared not only with
our colonies must always be regar led as the most im- this and Christmas 30,000 of the militia might be the consent of the local authorities, but we must prepa
portent source. First, there was the garrieon of Malta, called out, and bad also heard reasons put forward why the means of traneport across the desert, net only- forre
consistine of viz or seven battalions. At lea•t three of they should not be too precipitate in the; matter an army with its baggage and stores and provisioi a for
these shsould have been sent to India. During the —on the ground that it might interfere with the re- the march, but we must be ready in the Red Sea with
Crimean war the commander of the forces at Malta very cruiting of the army. He, ho.vever, thought these raa- a sufficient number of trantperts to carry them on to
properly sent away the whole of the garrison—feeling sons wholly insufficient, and would respectfully urge India. We must write to India, and the keel govern-
lull confidence in the loyalty of the inhabitant,. The upon the government the ad viaability of making arrange- ment at Bombay must provide transporte, and send them
reach, proved that that confidence was well founded, and meats for the immediate calling out of the whole militia to the Red Sea ; which, as my hon. and gallant friend
he (Sir De L. Evan.) trusted that ;east slar course would force. Let them consider for a moment what was the knows, is very difficult of navigation for sailing ships
now be taken, and that three at lof the battalions force at home at the present moment. When the esti- for half its course, and it is not likely that steamers of
now in garrison at Malta should be sent on tottalion.
India. mates were brought forward for the peace establishment, sufficient magnitude would be found at Bombay for the
But instead of sending these troops round by the Cape, some months back, he stated that in his opinion it was purpose. It would be a matter of consideration whether
he should much nether hear that arrangements would be not the duty of any member of that house to presume to alt these operations would not occupy so much time
made for their transmission, together with a sufficient dictate to the Government the military force which ought that troops sent °vet land through Egypt would probably
force of artillery and cavalry, by way of Eapt, by which to be maintained for the service of the country, but he not arrive so soon as troops sent out in ships which go
many weeks would be saved. He had been told toad could net but remark that there was at that time only round the Cape. It is very questionable whether such
the earnest desire of the Pacha of Egypt was to afford -about thirty-one or thirty-two battalions of the line is an arrangement would tend to attain the object sought.
every facility for the transmission through his territory the kingdom. Then what was the means announced for I will not mention all the objections connected with
of the troops destined to meet the emergency in India. supplying the deficiency ? He understood it had been landing men and stores at Alexandria, and carrying
He might-have been wrongly informed, but if not he announced that all the, battalions or regiments of them up to the railway, and embarking them again at
hoped the Government would not hesitat 3 to take ad- the line at home were to be raised fro n 840 (ha Suez. These embarkings and disembarking; are not car-
vantage of the offer, and that if not the whole, at prescilt complement) to 1,000 men each. But the ried on without mach damage to stores. It is no doubt
least the greater part, of the force would be sent by numberou_ of battalions at home was so small that that true, as my bon. and gallant friend says, the force at the
that route. The want of a coal depot at Suez had, he
additional men. give them more than 2,000 or 3,000 Cape is larger than is probably wanted, and a part of it
was aware, been put forward as an objection. But Then they were to have ten second might be conveniently despatched to India; and my right
battalions'
surely that might bo provided in a very short time.of 1,000. each raised, which would give alto- hon, friend the Secretary for the Colonies has already
There were other considerations with regard to the trans- gether an addition of 13,000 or 14,000 men. But that written to the Governor of the Cape, stating that in ad-
pert of troops to India at the present moment that were wag wholly inadequate. If no warlike operations were dition to tee two regiments already ordered out, be may
of great importance. On the 19th May last, a noble anticipated we ought to show to the world on all oc- send to India such a portion of the girrison of the Cape
onions that we possessed an inherent service of military
earl in another place inquired what reinforcements they as he thinks can be safely spared. That having been
strengte ; and every means ought to be resorted to for
intended to send to India, and the answer was, that the already done, Sir G. Grey has a full discretion to send
Government dal not consider that mil. territories in that that purpose. (Rear, hear.) With regard to the affairs out what ttaops can be spared without danger to the
of the world were at all seriously menaced, but that of the East, the house had in the accoucts in the public colony. More than that ;it having been represented to
4,000 men would be sent in June by means of transport iournals real many statements of heroic conduct on the us that there might be a want of horses in India for tee
ships to reinforce the European troops in that country. part of the British officers in India, and he did hope cavalry and artillery, arrangements have been made for
But instead of 4,000 he understood that only 554 men that government would lose no time in manifesting in sending a supply of horses from the borders of the Per-
some conspicuous wey their sense of the services of those siren Gulf and from Mesopotamia, and directions have
were actually embarked. He admitted that consider-
gallant officers. He might mention especially the two also given to purchase horses at the Cepa. to be
able exor.ions had been made to procure transports, and
Lawrencas and Lieutenant Willoughby—one of whom sent on to India for the same purposes. To touch lightly
that since June the number of troops sent out hail been
considerably inereased. Up to the 8 h August he be- in Oude without any force, another in Madras, and the on a topic which has been the subject of much difference
lieved that about 16,600 men had actually embarked for other in the Purejeub, upheld the authority of the Go- of opinion in this house, the China war, I may say that
vernor and prevented an outbreak. Then there was
India, and that 6,000 or 8,000 more were now under oven those who disapproved of what was done in that
orders. (Hear, hear.) Four thousand or 5,000 troops Brigadier Wilson, who had evinced great skill and respect must admit that out of evil good has come—
gallantry.
had also been intercepted on their way to China, by order (hear and laughter)—for but for that, the force which
of the Goyerncr-General, and sent oti to India ; end An How. MEMBER—And Major E lever's. (Hear.) was landed at Singapore could not have been there for
some additional forces had been likewise drawn from Sir DE L EVANS—Yes, and Major Edwards ; beterries in ludia—(hear and laughter)—and I hope that
wished he bad a higher rank than" major." IC
ton. 'faking altogether, including those under orders .--heers.) will reconcile some gentlemen who disapproved of the
for embarkation, the additional European force which the There was another distinguished instance of the re- course pursued by the Government to events which pro-
Indian Government would have at its command, when sources, the energy, and the bravery of a British officer. elueel this result. (Hear.) My bon. and gallant friers
they all arrived, would not exceed, he suppesee, 28,000 He commenced at once to levy troops, and operated with has suggested that we should revert to a proposal which
men, That was undoubtedly a censiderable force, and the utmost efficiency. All axon ho trusted would re- was made during the war of raising battalions in our
with tbe artillery, about 100 gun=, wort be a most deceive from the government the reward they so richly North American provinces. That is a mat er worth
sirable accession to the Btitish forces in India. Still he merited. He would not trespaes further upon the atten- consideration ; but at present I will give no opinion on
doubted whether all the arrangements had been made ti :n of the house. There we; one circumstance, bow- that subject. Bat I may say that we were mainly guided
which the circumstances of the ewe demanded. One of ever, which had struck every mind in this country, and in not' iving effect during the Crimean war to the pro
the greatest deficulties to be overcome was the immense almost every mind in Europe, in connexion with this towel made in Canada by the circumstance that we were
outbreak, and
distance the troops bad to be conveyed before they that was the extreme ferocity and inhu- at teat time engaeed iu the discussion of questions of
reached the scene of operations. He believed the whole inanity which had been displayed by the Indian sepeys some difficulty with the United States, and it was not
The supposition arising from such conduct woul I be that
of the troops hitherto embarked had gone out in sailing thought desirable to withdraw from Canada any large
they had been long suffering under some oppression ; hut
vessels, and he was told that was necessary in cense-body of men which might be required for the defence of
the fact was just the reverse. No troops in the world
gamma of there being no depots for corterig steamers onthose provinces. My hon. and gallant friend setverted
were treated with more consideration or enjoyed greater .
sue voyage. That was an inconveniene, however, to what is passing in India, and heroic energy displayed
which it appeared to him might be easily remeeied, and advantages than the sepoya of the Bengal army. The ex- by officers, both civil and military, in almost every part
'deflation of the atrocities of which we read on the part of
he hoped he should be told that measures had been taken of India ; and I must say, that while on the one hand
for that purpose. At all events, he believed he was not the mutinouetroops, was he believed that they had drunk the events which have occurred must be afflicting to
large quantities of raki, which was more maddening in
incorrect in supposing that at Sierra Leone, the Cape, the feelings of every man, on the other band, every
its effects than any other spirit. He trusted that the
and the Mauritius, coaling stations in every way suit- y Englishman must feel a pride in his country-
able might be formed, each being about 3,000 or would he punished with the utmost severity, and that no men, when he sees that a few Englishmen scattered all
3,500 milieu distant from the other, Of this he was false humanity would stand in the way of the well-de- over that vast country have been found equal to every
quite sure, that whatever expense might be ne- served retribution which oughtt.) fall upon them. (Hear.) emergency, and shown not only courage, but successful
Momentous as this state of things was he must neverthe- courage—(hear, hear)—who have proved themselves to
cessary for so important an object as the shortening of
leg= c.ll to mind that the people of this country were not be not only brave, but have exhibited skill and judgment
the time distance by some 3,000 miles in conveying out
in any way intimidated by the serious position in which —(hear, hear)—an.l accomplished things of which the
troops to meet an emergency like the present, by seta-
a: one time we stood during the Crimean war, and that
Wishing these coal depots, would be gladly borne by thepeeple of any country, might well be proud. (Hear,
although at one time that gigantic struggle was of a
country. Unless it could be shown that there was some hear.) This is atiall events a censolation and a satisfac•
practical difficulty in the way, lie trusted he should be nature calculated t , distress any of the most powerful lion, and may be put against the darker side of the pie-
told by the Minister that ships bad been sent oat to form governments in Europe, the people of this country, in- ture. (Hear, hear.) I can only assure my hon. and
coal depots at the stations he had indicated. He hoped stead of being therefore deterred from prosecuting the gallant friend and the house that while we are at present
that the reply he should receive would give some die- war, were lull of enthusiasm, and were desirous of doing what we think necessary to meet the difficulty
tinct information upon this point, and, if it ghoul Ibe in carrying the war further, The same feeling he was con- before us, and at the Name time not going beyond what
the affirmative, it would be a matter ( f great satisfaction fideut, would animate the country on the present we think the existing necessity, if events should turn out
to him. Itive,
had. been complained that some of our old emergency, and, with the cmcurrence of the House of differently from what we believe and hope they will, if
Commons, would place in the hands of the Government
vessels of war now in ordinary had not been despatched times oboe). I come upon us which we do not at present
to India, ontrer two of which in the port or te ver of Cal- .
all they could require to restore tranquillity in India. anticipate, we have the resource of calling Parliament
'Ode word more. lie trusted the local government
cutta would, under existing circutnetances, be of great together, and asking them for additional means fer pro-
use. These were matters which bad been discussed would find the necessary specie for enabling them to viding for the defence of the country which the circuit):
carry on their operations with energy and efficiency
the public press ; still he trueted there was no harm in ; stances of the moment may require. But, as I have raid,
but, whether or not, he trusted that in the aid which
his urging them upon the attention of the Government. while it would be blameable in the Government to shut
was sent them from home an ample supply of specie
(Hear ) Ile hal seen recently in a newepaper that Capt. their eyes to the difficulties which exist, and the exer-
would not be forgotten. (Cheers.)
Oeborne's squadron of 16 gunboats left Rio on the a 1 :lore required to meet them, on the other hand, it would
July. He trusted that that statement was correct, and Lord PA.LNIERSTON—I am sure the house will not be consistent with the duty of a responsible Govern-
that orders would be sent out to arrest the squadron at agree that the high military character of the hon. and meat to ask Parliament to impose burdens on the coun-
Gallo, and send it on to Calcutta, for no force could be gallant officer who has just sat down must command the try which in their conscience they did not think at the
more effective in 'operating in the Indian rivers than a attention and respect of -all those who have listened to
present moment necessary. I have now stated to my
squadron of gunboats. There were some other points . dgallant friend, '
hon. an
even though • '
him for any opinions he may have expressed, points on which I agree, and those on which I differ
which deserved consideration in speaking of the reinforce-
they may not altogether share in them to the full extent with him, and I can assure him that it is the anxious
merits sent out to meet the emergency of time mutiny of.
the Bengal army. Unquestionably 28,000 men was a that he does himself, (Hear, bear.) And therefore, sir, desire of the Government to do all that the present emer.
gency requires. (Hear, hear.)
very large addition to the European force in India. But I trust he will give the Government credit for having
Colonel NORTH urged that it was not advisable to
it should be recollected that a large portion of that num- listened with respect and deference to the sentiments be drain
ter was due in the shape of reliefs for troops whose term this country of all its trained soldiers, and to rely
has uttered, so honourable to himself and so valuable, as solely on newly-raised battalions and the militia for our
of s.rvice had expired. Again, when these troops
arrived in October, their numbers would bo diminished practical suggestions, coming from so authoritative a borne defences. Even looking at the matter from a
by 5.000 or 6,000 rom sickness and other causes. eleens source. However, I think that the bon, and gallant mercantile point of view, it this country was worth pre-
should be in readiness to send out men at once to sup- gentleman has somewhat overrated the European diffi- serving, it was worth any money which was expended
ply that deficiency. With roger I to the force wh ch culty produced by the events which have occurred in oc
its defences.
which might be drawn from the colonies there were four India, and the-efforts which we shall be compelled to Mr. BENTINCK said that the remarks of the noble
serviceable battalions in Canada. Canada might now make in order to meet the resultof those events. The hon. lord would have been more satielactory if he had entered
almost be considered an independent ally of England. and gallant gentleman seems to thinkthat foreign nations into some details with regard to the defences of the
She was in no danger from any power, and he saw no rea- may be led by the knowledge of the amount of force country. The noble lord told them that if foreign nations
son why three of those regiments should not be at once which we have detached to our Indian possessions to think were to take advantage of our position, the country
recalled. And not only that, but he would venture to that we are weak and defenceless at home, and that at would be fou
opinionemergency; ofwith that specs
that advantage should be taken of the sympathy mane a higher tone, and to adopt other measures towards to him, amounted to nothing. The noble lord went on
tested by the Cinadian people in the affairs of the mother this country than would have been prudent in. them to say that he saw no necessity arising out of the state
country, and that the offer they then matte to raise two under other circumstances. With regard to that ques- of things in Europe for keeping np a large force in this
Canadian regiments toem added to our regular army, but tion, I think the latter observations of my hon. and country ; but that only rested on the noble lord's opi-
which, from some jealousy existing at the Horse Guards, gallant friend are an answer to his previous remarks nion ; and he would contend that the question of the de-
had been declined, would, if renewed, be now accepted. The nations of the world have seen with what an fence of the emergeh not to rest on the point
Then as to the forces at the Cape. He bad previously unanimous spirit and with what energy this country whether or not an cy was likely to arise. If an
expressed hie regret that so large a force should be kept responds to the cell of the government in moments of emergency should arise, it would be too late to take pre-
up by the Government in that colony. There were at the national difficulty ; and if any foreign government or cautions, and to assemble the House of C.,mmons. and
Cape now, he believed, 11 regiments of infantry, a strong nation think that the circumstances of the moment ask for grants of money when it was too late. If the
regiment of mounted riflemen, and 2,800 Germans. Yet would render it more sate for them to assume an atti- noble lord had condescended to ewer a little more into
which they did not think it details with regard to the defences of the country, it
at no time were the Kaffire less abee to make inroads tude towards this country
into the British territory e and' seeing that the Cape had prudent to assume before, I believe that they would soon would have been more satisfactory than his somewhat
the advantage of a free government, it was too much to find out their mistake, and without loss of time would vague statement.
call upon the Imperial Government to protect the whole resume their accustomed attitude towards England. It Sir H. VERNEY said that it was all very well for
of the extended frontier, or to do more than to afford is true that we have occasion to send, either from this those who were in comparative safety to talk coolly
them some assistance towards enabling them to guard it country or our colonies, a force which in round num about the officers of India ; bat what must be the feel-
themselves ; 4,000 British troops acting in this way hers amount; to 30,000 men to India ; but we have legs of those who were in that country, when they
would be sufficient fo keep the Kaffirs within bounds for taken and are taking such steps as we think beet thought that all that had happened had arisen from a
the next few yeene when the protection of the country calculated to fill up the gap in our forces at want of foresight in those who governed India. It was
might safely, he hoped, be given up to the colonists. He home. Measures are being taken such as were not possible to pass over this emergency and treat it by.
was told that by maintaining this large army at the Cape mentioned by my hon. and gallant friend. We means of a few patriotic phrases. Why ought not a tele-
we had twee saved another Kaffir war. Evea if it were are raising recruits as fast as we can to fill up notlnly graph have been sent to Lord Lyons desiring him to
so, which he questioned, he did not see any very great our regiments at home but in all other parts of the world send six ships of the line to India, each of which ought
advantage in being sired from a war, if for that purpose to their highest standard, except those in India, which to have taken a regiment from Malta or Corfu, and
we bad to keep up a war establishment in time of peace. have been already raised to that standard. We are also conveyed them to Madra
objs oect ion r Bomba
con ld y
ther
or wherever they
But of late years we bad kept up a larger force at the raising ten battalions in addition, and we propose to
were required. What ebe to such
Cape than at any period during the Kaffir war, and as call out a portion of the militia. My hon Wand gallant a course I There might be European reasons why we
there could be to necessity for maintaining so large an friend scenes to think that there is not such a disposition should have a large force in the Mediterranean ; but we
army there, he trusted that he should hear from the on the part of the people of this country to enlist in the could have sent out troop Then, wby should nots from home to suppl
gyun-
the
Government that they had taken steps' to render the army as he could wish to see ; but I do not think that
pl
troops at the Cape available for the emergency in India, the example of the Crimean war bears out that assertion boats have been sent out which could go. up all the In'
where, as they were already half-way, if orders had been _war we raised no less than 50,000 men in twelve dian rivers, on the banks of which most of the towns
sent on in the first instance they would arrive long months, a number double that which had been raised at were situated I•• They could go up as high as Allele-
before any troops sent on from this country could do, any former period. The inducements to the people to bad. We had not taken the measures which
811
It was intended during -the war with Russia to send enter the army are the career of a soldier, the ought to leave done, and the whole thing
and lir if there
one of the Regiments at the Cape to the Crimea, advantages derivable from pensions after certain periods over as if it was of no importance.,
The fault did
but some technical difficulty arose, and the cones • of service, and the general respect which is felt towards was no crisis .in our ludian PI
reemsentre.government, but
quence was that the regiment never came. He had ob- the military body, and Ido not think that there is any not lie with the late or tirt 1.0 _
Ave
h protested against
served as a rule that the. governors of distant colonies ground for saying that these inducements are not suffi- with that house,
which
oungd of the war. For instance,
were very averse to parting with their soldiers ; but the cient to procure soldiers. Of course the lowering of the the course taken atbtade
beanse isbanded ; and, recruit as
force at the Cape was altogether out of propertiera to any standard would some 4b at facilitate recruiting at a 3,000 artillery
raeconuld not g those trained men again.
demand that could arise for their services. He thought, period like this, when there is a demand for labour for you would, youith the Rouse of Commons and its false
under the circumstances, three or four battalions of in- purposes of the harvest, it is not a matter of surprise
The fault lay w
eto
fantry, and the 2,700 or 2,800 men of the German Legion that men who can get high wages during the harvest,
onerrer-
arseaDEGATE said there were two co 'nsidera-
would be an ample force for the defence of the colony, until that is over will be indisposed to enlist, however de-
Mr' • h this subject
e connected with is that were very much
and that seven battalions might be spared for India sirable they may think a soldier's career ; and I have no lions by the house. One was, that
whatever pro-
without danger. If, however, the Government contented doubt that when the harvest is ovei we shall get as many overlooked
there might be of immediately quelling
the mutiny
themselves with merely sending orders to the governor of men as we require. Even now the number of recruits seat
in India, it should be recollected that that India must for
the colony to send all that he could spare, be should en- which have been obtained is by no means inconsiderable,
be be garrisoned in a different
manner to that in
tertain great doubts of the result. He thought it was the and the recruiting is gt leg on fay %trebly. It
- - maybe e yearswhich she had hitherto been, and the matured and tried
duty of tee Government at home to take the responsibi- said that we ought to raise 20 battalions ; but
.sviteaa
soldiers which had been sent out must remain there.
lily upon thetnselvere and to issue peremptory orders to would be the use of saying that we are about to rasei
i 1 It There ought, therefore, to be preparations made to main-
send over so many battalions, for unless they did ao he force larger than recruiting would enabl lush rwithinta
twin in this
did not believe that any very groat force would go from seems to us better to form as many regs . country not only our peace establishment,
noble us to raise, but such a force as would
enable ns to reinforce our
the Cape to India. (Hear.) He understood from the given period as circumsatnces will !
formed then to • h troops •
go on with in India. Then, with regard to the militia, it was
newspapers that the Governor of Bombay, immediatel9 and when those regiments are d llant friend s was
ays inconvenient to convert it into a standing army. It
on hearing of the mutiny in the Bengal army, had very the raising of others. My hon. an le
et. t hegembodied
properly despatched two ships with reinforcements to that a larger force of militia oug-- to than was a force which was intended to be called out in case
Calcutta. He did not expect the eameceuree
~weuld be it is the understood intention to call out. But there are of emergency, and -by treating it as a regular army its
taken by the Governor of the Cape without cru!" from two limits to thismaintaining of troops—first, the means character as a force reserved for an emergency was de-
the Government at home ; but he trusted, " such orders of recruiting, and, secondly, the expenditure which will atroyed. .
had not already been sent out, that no further delay be incurred. The militia, like the regiments of the line, Mr. eer, WILLIAMS. was not surprised that many
would take Place in forwarding them' a" that the result require to be recruited, and no doubt if we could tell members wished to keep up a large -standing army int
would be an addition oft six orriren tegineents of in- this house and the country truly that we were on the eve time of peace equal to that which was regairee in a grea
fantry to the available emereceraitee'alcueta- It was clear of BUrOpean difficulties, that differences were likely to war. But what in the opinion of those gentlemennt
thatwas
that cot less than 100,000 of native forces in India arise between us and foreign States whicn might end in the use of a vernment llt was on Governme
had either been disbanded or were in arms against us; events which would require us to make efforts for self- they must depend to consider when a large forcenwas
and even if they should have received that blow which defence—I say there is no doubt the house would respond necessary, and the House of Commons had
e;eneverrei relaxed
be trusted bad ere this been struck at Delhi, it would to the mill and sanction the imposition of fresh
seethe in any force which the Government
immediately
necessary.
ofcoursea te
have
the
our hands to re-establish our military position in India, Government thought necessary to provide a militia or war with Russia, the Go
our h
it stood. The feeling of the House
and place us on our former footing and security, both as any force adequate to the defence of the country. But retained the army as .
and the country universally was that we
regarded India and Europe. As he bad said when the fortunately such a consideration does not arise ; there is of Commons .
in India;
but the Government
forces which had been sent out arrived in India, it would nothing pending between us and any foreign State which must recover our positiont
be found that considerable diminution of their numbersconsider
is likely to lead to a rupture. I therefore think that we were the proper pareies
noto by what means that
by sickness and other disabling causes would have oc- should abstain from calling on Parliament to grant us was to be.done, and gentlemen in that house with
earned, and after their arrival still greater losses must any extraordinary means until they are required. military tithleasdand very little military knowledge. The
be anticipated. It was necessary to provide for these, There are two errors into which men may fall—one is,told
noble lord them that he was ready to do every
and the only means of doing so was by recruiting the overlooking existing dangers, and the other imagining which was required for the present state of
thing
affairs,
militia. At all events, he trusted they would not be a danger that has no actual existence; and it •is the duty but he was bound to consider the question of the taxation
f foreieners
compelled to resort to the enlistment o •of a government to avoid the latter as well as take care of the people, w did not enter into the consideration
supplyingof some ithere was a general con fie
Well, then, the only means of the not to fall into the former. Ido not apprehend that the dance
in hon. whichgm. As
in _
casualties and maintaining the effective strength of the • present state of things anything is likely to happen to
the house and in the country the Urovern-
.