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THE SUN, LQNDON, WEDNESDAY EVENING,t, JULY 24, 1861;

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within the terms of the amendment, namely, being delivered
to the donee three months previous to the demise of the
donor.

The clause was then agreed to.

On clause 40,
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER explained
that the object of the clause was to give effect to
the Succession Duty Act of 1853, which, as it stood
at present, enabled persons by arrangement amongst
themselves to evade the payment of the succession duty.
He contended that, without such a clause, the spirit of the
bill could not be carried out.
Sir F. GOLDSMID moved the omission of the clause,
Which he considered was framed with a view to repeal the
effect of a decision of the House of Lords.
The SOLICITOR-GENERAL contended that an alte•
ration in the Succession Duty Act had become necessary,
and that a decision of the House of Lords was no ground
for not introducing amendments in an existing law. The
learned gentleman illustrated his position by a number of
1 suppositious cases which might probably arise, in which
the spirit of.the bill might be entirely evaded.
Sir 11. CAIRNS opposed the amendment, contending it
was quite unnecessary, and complicated the matter unneces-
sarily.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said after
what had occurred, he should not persevere with the clause.
The clause was negatived.
The CHAIRMAN then reported the bill with amendments
to the house; and it was agreed that clause 15 should be
withdrawn with a view to its re-introduction as a separate
bill.

The house adjourned at four o'clock, and reassembled al
six.

BANKRUPTCY BILL.

The ATTORNEY-GENERAL brought up the report of
the committee which had been appointed to draw up rea-
sons for disagreeinewith certain of the Lords' amendments
to the Bankruptcy and Insolvency Bill, and on his motion
it was read by the clerk at the table, and subsequently
agreed to.

PUBLIC EMPLOYMENT (INDIA).
Col. SYKES rose to move, "That on all occasions when
candidates were invited to compete for public employment
under the Crown, British subjects born in India should bo

allowed to compete on the same footing as other British sub
jects. That Drs. Thompson, Goodhall, Pulney Andy, Mun-

cherjee, Beramjee Colah, and Surgeon Pickachy, all British
subjects, having been prohibited from competing for the
office of assistant surgeon in the Royal army, at a publicly
advertised meeting appointed for the 18th day of February
last in London, it is the opinion of this house that such pro-

hibition was unjust, impolitic, and uncalled for." He con-
tended that the prohibition, while it was a violation of
guarantees given by Parliament and the Crown, was disad-
vantageous to the public service in India, and it disappointed
hopes and expectations which the people of our Eastern
Empire were encouraged to entertain.
The motion was seconded by Mr. LAYARD.
Mr. T. G. BARING, remarking that the second resolu-

tion was a direct censure upon the Secretary of State for

War, said this was not a question of the employment of na-
tives of India, but whether they should be employed in the
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British army, in the general medical service of the Crown,
in all parts of the world. The opinion of the best authorities,
upon which the Secretary of State had acted, was that
natives of India were constitutionally unfitted for service
in all parts of the,world, and, so far from the prohibition
being unjust, impolitic, or improper, the Secretary
of State would nbt have fulfilled his duty had he acted
otherwise.

After a few observations by Mt. J. B. Smith and Capt.
Jervis, and a reply by Colonel Sykes, wjm considered the

objections of Mr. Baring utterly groundless, the motion

was withdrawn.

The report of the Committee of Supply was brought up
and agreed to.

ECCLESIASTICAL LAW.
On the motion for going into committee of supply,
Mr. H. SEYMOUR moved a resolution that the state of
the Ecclesiastical Law in England and Ireland, and of the

Courts in which it is administered, and especially the Act
commonly called the Clergy Discipline Act, require to be
amended and reformed, and that it is incumbent on the
Government to direct a measure to be prepared for that

purpose. 110 reminded the house that the Ecclesiastical
Law and the Ecclesiastical Courts, which had been con-
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demned by the highest authorities, constituted the judicial
system under which 25,000 most influential persons were
governed, and observed that, owing to the state of the
courts and the expense of the proceedings, the clergy were
without any practical control. The present Bishop of Lon-
don had confessed and lamented the want of some reform
of the ecclesiastical law, and some remedies of the delay and
expense of the proceedings in the courts.
Sir G. LEWIS said he was not disposed to maintain that

the Ecclesiastical Courts, so far as they retained jurisdic-

tion, were in a satisfactory state. The Government bad a
great many measures to bring forward and were obliged to
exorcise a discretion as to what measures they should sub-
mit to the house, and it was impossible for him to give at
present any formal pledge upon the subject.
Some remarks were made by Mr. Newdegate and Mr.
Hadfield, and the motion was then withdrawn.
FIRES IN THE METROPOLIS.

Mr. lIANKEY called attention to the state of the law
respecting the prevention of fires in the metropolis. Stat-
ing the enormous amount of property in the metropolitan
area, he observed, that no municipal regulations whatever
were now in force in the city of London for the protection
of this vast property from fire. The Fire Brigade, sup-
ported by the insurance offices, which rendered very effi-
cient services, was founded, he contended, upon a wrong
principle; the insurance dices ought not to bear the ex-
pense of putting out fires, which fell ultimately upon in-
surers, whereas the genera: community, insurers and non-
insurers, had an interest iz preventing the loss of life and
property by fire. In his opinion this was a function of the
police, and it might be cheaply performed by them.
Sir G. LEWIS thought it clear that if all the expendi-
ture now frittered away ly separate parishes formed one
fund, and was placed un3er one management, it could be
more efficiently and economically applied to the extinction
of fires than at present. The Fire Brigade was a voluntary
force employed by the insurance offices, and the companies
might make some contribution to the fund. The subject,
he thought, deserved consideration.
CIVIL LIST PENSIONS.

Mr. STIRLING called attention to the return of Civil
List Pensions, and mon especially to the pensions conferred
for literary and scientitc services. He complained that
this small fund seemed :o be the refuge of the poor relations
of rich families. With regard to pensions to literary per-
sons, great caution, 113 observed, ought to be exercised ;
and he suggested reascns for believing that caution was
not used in all cases. He thought it would be desirable
that the precise works should be indicated of a person re-
warded with a pension for literary services.
Lord PALAIERST DN. said he was not at all aware that
any of these pensions vere granted to necessitous members
of wealthy or aristocratical families. He had numerous
applications for these pensions, which were very small, and
was obliged to reject many ; but, small as they were, the
assistance they afforded relieved much suffering. He ex-
plained the circumstances connected with a particular case
referred to by Mr. Stirling.

T 7--
mous and amply sufficient without taxing the people in this

indirect, and, he would say, surreptitious manner.
After a few words from Sir M. PETO in opposition to
the Tote,

The committee divided, and the numbers were—
For the vote
Against it
Majority —32
On the motion that £29,005 be granted to her Majesty to-
wards defraying the Patent Law expenses,
Mr. WILLIAMS criticised the vote, and complained
that of the amount a sum of £9,166 was set down to be paid
to the law officers of the Crown, while the fees which they
received were enormous.

Capt. JERVIS called attention to the difficulties that
were thrown in the way of poor men in their endeavours
to take out patents to protect their inventions. A poor man,
before he could take out a patent, must pay £5O, and out of
that sum the Attorney-General got £5. The Lord Chan-
cellor's messenger also had his fees out of the sum. His
(Captain Jervis's) attention had been called to this matter
by the case of a poor man who had discovered a new inven-
tion which he was desirous to take out a patent for. He was
so poor that he would not have been able to take out the
patent had it not been for the assistance of a number of
friends, who, fooling for him, subscribed the £5O, and out
of the sum so raised for the poor man the Attorney-General
and the other law officers of the Crown received their fees.
He must say it was a disgrace to this country that such
a state of things should exist in relation to the patent law,
and he should move that the vote be reduced by the sum of
£9,166.
Mr. PEEL defended the vote. With regard to the charge
for taking out a patent, the expense had been reduced from
£3OO to £25, and the Patent Law Commissioner*stated
that it was not expedient to make any further reduction.
Mr. CONINGHAM could see no earthly reason why the
expenses of taking out a patent in this country should not
be as low as those in America.
The vote was agreed to.
£13,018 for fisheries in Scotland was agreed to.
£35,000 was then voted for local dues under treaties of
reciprocity.
£3,500 for salaries of inspectors of corn returns was
agreed to.
£l,OOO for boundary survey (Ireland) was agreed to.
£126,030, for the expenses of taking the census of the po-
pulation, was the next vote.
Mr. CAIRD complained that the particulars, as to Scot-
land, had not yet officially appeared, although extra ex.
penses had been incurred there, while the particulars had
been published as to England and Ireland.
Sir G. C. LEWIS said the census was taken by the
police in Ireland, and was, therefore, cheaper. Scotland in-
volved more expense owing to the wide area to be gone
over in proportion to the population, and there were also
many islands to be visited by the enumerators.
Mr. F. PEEL said the expense in Scotland was also in-
creased by an amendment moved by the hon. gentleman
himself, that the number of unoccupied houses be taken, and
also the number of windows in each. (Laughter.)
The vote was then agreed to.
On the vote of £26,457 to defray expenses in conneettion
with telegraph companies,
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, in reply

to Capt. JERVIS, said that the Red Sea Telegraph Com-
pany might be said to be reduced to a state of neutralised
existence ; but it did not appear to the Government desi-
rable to proceed at present to any definite conclusion
with respect to the financial arrangements involved. They
were, however, of opinion that it would be desirable to as-
certain at a moderate cost the condition of the line, and his
hon. friend the President of the Board of Trade had re-
ceived some reports which he hoped would enable him
shortly to apprize them more precisely as to the mode and
extent of the inquiry which it would be expedient to un-
dertake, in order that they might arrive at the root of the
matter. So far as his information at present wenthe did not
think the circumstances of the case very favourable.
In reply to Sir M. PETO,
Lord PA LME R ST ON said the Turkish Government were
now employed in establishing a telegraphic line along the
Euphrates from Brusa down to Bassora, by means of which
he hoped communication would be opened with India.
After some further conversation the vote was agreed to,
as was also a vote of £36,000 for the establishment of tele-
graphic communication between Malta and Alexandria.
With this vote the Civil Service Estimates were brought
to a close, and the Chairman was ordered to report the reso-
lutions agreed to in the comae of the evening to the house.
The Passengers (Australian Colonies) Bill passed through
Committee.
The house went into committee on the Landed Estates
(Ireland) Act (1818) Amendment Bill, and, on a division
taking place, there were not 40 members present, and the
house adjourned at 5 minutes to 2 o'clock.

THE LATE FATAL ENCOUNTER IN

NORTHUIIIBE.RLAND-STRBET.

ADJOURNED INQUEST.

A portion of the following appeared in our impression of
yesterday :
The coroner's inquiry into the circumstances attending
the death of William John Roberts, lately occupying apart-
ments in Northumberland-street, Strand, was resumed yes-
terday in the board-room of Charing -cross Hospital be-
fore Mr. St. Clair Bedford, the coroner for the city of West -
minster.

Mr. Humphreys attended on the part of Major Murray,
and Mr. Sleigh for the family of the late Mr. Roberts.
Police-constable 155 F said—l was on duty near
Northumberland-street, on the 12th inst., about noon.
Passing through Craven-court I met Major Murray, ac-
companied by Mr. Ramsey. As soon as he saw me he said,
"Go round to 16, Northumberland-street, to a man who
has shot me in the neck. He's in the first floor." I went
there and proceeded upstairs, and tried to open the doors
of the rooms ; as I could not 1 tried to force them open, but
did not succeed. I then went down stairs and called for a
ladder, and one was brought. I placed it against the back
window of the first floor,- and entered the room by that
means. I found the place in great confusion, and a great
quantity of blood beneath the window which I had entered.
I then tried to open the back room door. I tried for some
time, and did not succeed. After twisting the large handle
of the lock round and round the door seemed to open of
itself. I observed after that there was a small nut or screw
on the lock, but I cannot say whether that would make the
lock on the door secure. On letting the police in I went
into the room and found Mr. Roberts in a corner in the
front room. I took hold of him, and he raised himself up
and got hold of the 'handle of the door. I sent for a cab.
While it was gone for Roberts said "Let me sit
clown and die." I did not hear him say anything
else. When I got him to the hospital I searched
his clothes and found some Crystal Palace cards,
one address card, marked " John Frazer Walker,
solicitor, 16, Northumberland-street," half a return ticket,
S.W. Railway, first-class, Richmond to London, four percus-
sion caps, and two penny pieces. That was all the money
found in his pockets. Three rings were on his fingers and
one in his pocket.
The Coroner—Only twopence in his pockets, Was that
all ?

Witness—Yes, sir.
By Mr. Sleigh—l did not pat any questions to Roberts.
All I heard him say is what I have stated.

By Mr. Humphreys—l am quite sure the back room door
was fastened inside. It was not locked. The key was in
the door outside ; I tried to turn it, but could net.

Police-constable Langley, 100 A—l went to 16, North-
umberland-street, on the 12th. I saw Golding talking to
Mr. Roberts, jun. He said somebody has been shot, and
he is trying to get out of the window. I asked him who
was in the front room, and he replied, " I think it's my
father." I entered the place and saw white smoke about
the room. There I,s as also a strong smell of gunpowder. I
saw on the table in the centre of the room the brace of pis-
tols I produce. Both hammers were down, and the secret
triggers were out. On one was an exploded cap. Both ap-
peared to have been recently discharged. I saw the deceased
in the front room in the position described. He was lifted
up and placed in an armchair. A cab was sent for and ho
was taken to the hospital. I saw two other large pistols
lying on the ground by the window in the back room. I
examined them, and they did not appear to have been dis-
charged for some time. I did not examine them as to
whether they were loaded. I don't know they are not loaded
at the present time. The room was all in confusion.
Inspector Mackenzie, of the F division of police, said—
On Friday, the 12th inst., I went to Northumberland-street,
about 12 o'clock at noon. I went to the first floor, lately
occupied by Mr. Roberts. On entering the back room I
found it in great confusion. I proceeded to make a minute
search of the place, and under the window there were large
pools of blood. Everything about was saturated with it.
On searching the corner I found two portions of a pair of
tongs. I also found another portion of the same article
lying on a table. Near the spot I found two broken bottles,
one quite whole covered with blood. I also found a pistol
case on the floor. Close to it I picked up 23 leaden bullets,
some of which were covered with blood. The bullets fit
both pairs of pistols. I proceeded with my search, and
under the table I found the case belonging to the small
pair of pistols. Blood is on both pistol cases. I also found
a powder canister containing powder, and near the same
spot I found an old-fashioned six-chamber revolver pistol.
It was in the woollen bag I now produce. The large pistols
were on a table near which Mr. Roberts usually sat. One of
the large pistols I found loaded with ball. I drew the charge.
The charge was well home. There was a cap on the other
pistol, but it did not appear as if it had been fired for some
days. On the mantelpiece I found the percussion cap. case.
The caps fit the nipples of both pairs of pistols. I found
the secretoire drawers had been pulled out, but nothing
appeared to have been disturbed. They contained prin-
cipally law forms. I examined the mantelpiece and found
there were bullet marks about it. On the shelf I found
eight flattened bullets, which evidently had been fired fi om
the pistols. There were three bullet holes in the wall.
The prints hanging up close to the window were found
sprinkled with blood. Ono of the squares of glass
in the window was completely covered with small spots
of blood. I saw there were marks of blood on the doors.
The outer door of the front room was locked. It remains so
at present. Near the folding door I found a pillow covered
with blood. There were some beer bottles and small por-
tionshe of bread lying about the room. All the things in t
place were very dusty. On returning to the back roonalWif

a quantity of blood on the carpet and hearth-rug. After I
had further examined the room I went to the hospital
and saw both Major Murray and Mr. Roberts
there. I then returned to Northumberland- street
and further prosecuted my examination. I found marks of
blood on the water pipe near the back room window, and
some scratches under the outside of the window as from the
the toe of a boot. I have examined the whole of the papers,
and I do not find any correspondence between Mr. Roberts
and iMajor Murray. While I was searching the front
room young Mr. Roberts took another pistol, which I pro-
duce, from a cabinet in the front room. On the 19th I
was again searching the front room, when I found the razor
I produce, covered with blood, in a small oak cabinet near
the window. I also found in a basket, with some other
linen, three shirts, a handkerchief, and a towel spotted with
blood.
Coroner—ls there any mark on the linen ?
Inspector M'Kenzie--None.
The witness proceeded—l also found a sheet of white
blotting paper with blood on it. On holding it up to the
light I discovered a direction. It was " Mrs. Murray, Elm
Lodge, Talbot-road, Tottenham." There were also some
marks of a letter.
Mr. Sleigh took the paper, and after a minuta's exami-
nation, said, I can see the words " I cannot rest," " send by
bearer."
Witness—l also found three letters from a lady addressed
to W. J. Roberts, Northumberland-court, Charing-cross.
I found them in a waste-paper basket in the front room.
They do not in the slightest relate to the present transac-
tion.

Mr. Sleigh—l should like to form my own opinion above
that.

The Coroner read the letters, but their contents did not
transpire.
Mr. M'Kenzie—l also found under the window some
black hair.
Mr. Humphreys—That is part of Major Murray's whis-
kers.

Mr. T. Roberts—You have no right to say so. It is just 1
as likely to be the hair of the unfortunate deceased.
Mr. Humphreys—l was not addressing you, Sir.
Mr. Roberts—Such remarks as you have just made
ought not to be made. I say again, it is just as likely to
be the hair of Mr. Roberts as Major Murray.
Mr. M'Kenzie then proceeded to relate a conversation he
had had with Major Murray, in the hospital, as to his con-
nection with Mr. Roberts. The statement was precisely
the same as that given in evidence previously by the wit-
ness Ramsey. The witness then proceeded—On seeing
Mr. Roberts, after his arrival at the hospital, I asked him
how it was done, and he replied " Murray did it." I said
" How ?" and he replied, "My head is too bad now." On
the following evening, about half-past seven, I was again in
the hospital. He was sensible. I went and sat down by
his bed side. I asked him if he knew me, and he said,
"Oh yes, I know you very well, you are Mr. Mac-
kenzie." I said, "Will you tell me how you received all
the injuries about the head ?" and he replied, " Yes,
man named Murray did it." I said, "Tell me how,
Mr. Roberts." He said, "He got the tongs, and attacked
me, and struck me:with a glass bottle." . I said, " Tell me
more particularly, did you know Murray before ?" He
replied, " I have seen him before, but never speke to him."
I asked if he met him by accident or appointment. He
said, "By accident, in Hungerford-market, and he came to
my office with me about a loan. That Major Murray shot
himself in the neck, and attacked me with the tongs
like a demon, and with a glass bottle." I asked him the
amount of the loan, and he said, "£50,000." I asked if
he wished to make a deposition before a magistrate, and he
said, " No, I've nothing more to say." I did not speak to
him after, although I saw him every day until his death,
When Major Murray was telling me about the conversa-
tion, I told him the name of the person he had spoken of
was Roberts, not Grey. •
By Mr. Sleigh—Superintendent Durkin, Mr. Roberts's
son, and other persons were present while Mr. Roberts
made his statement. I think Roberts told me he had been
dozing. The spots of blood on the window in the back
room were considerably higher than a man's head. The
drawer in which I found the razor was closed, and there
were no marks of blood either on the things inside or out-
side of it. I found that a woman lived at Elm Lodge call-
ing herself Mrs. Murray. Her name is Anne Maria
Murray.
Mr. Humphreys—l beg to say I shall tender that lady's
evidence.

Witness—l found this was the residence of Major Mur-
ray. The name of Roberts is on the door of No. 16, Nor-
thumberland-street. There is no name of Grey or anything
like it painted on the door. I distinctly heard Major
Murray say repeatedly that he had never before been in
the house No. 16, Northumberland-street.
By Mr. Humphreys—The last encounter, according to
Major Murray was near the folding doors—partly in one
room and partly in another. The legs of Roberts were in
the back room and the body in the front. Murray said he
took up the legs and turned them into the front room.
Mr. Sleigh objected to the mode of cross-examination.
Mr. Humphreys thought he was being unnecessarily in-
terrupted.
Mr. Roberts again made some observation, when
Mr. Humphreys said if such interruptions were continued
it would be the duty of the Coroner to order the person so
interrupting out of the room.
Mr. Roberts thought such remarks quite uncalled for.
After some further conversation, the cross-examination
proceeded—l cannot say whether Roberts walked or crawled
from one spot to the other. There is no indication of his
having been dragged there. In the back room there is a
small chair with blood on the seat, but I cannot say whether
it would be so if a man had been shot while sitting there. To
get to the secretoire which has been referred to the natural
course would be round the back of the person sitting on the
left hand of the fire place ; to go in any other way the per-
son sitting would have to be removed. The hair I found
under the window appears to be that of a person's whisker
rather than hair from the head. It is the colour of Major
Murray's hair. Altogether I found six pistols—two pairs,
a revolver, and a pocket pistol. The shirt with the
blood upon it was found upon the linen basket. The
towel was found on the drugget or carpet. The name of
"Walker" on the blotting paper appears to be in the hand-
writing of Roberts. I found several documents in Roberts
rooms relative to army agency with the names of Stoqueler
and Eicke on them. I don't know who Nicholson is, or
who Roberts, Nicholson, and Co. are.
Mr. Humphreys—Have you tested by all means in your
power in your official capacity as to the truth of Major
Murray's statement ?
Mr. Sleigh objected to the question, and it was not put.
Coroner—Have you any evidence to corroborate Major
Murray's statement ?
Inspector Mackenzie—None but what has been given.
Mrs. Eliza Tyler, the sister of the ward in which Mr.
Roberts died, deposed that while attending him he appeared
more inclined to speak to her than any one else. On
Saturday night, the 18th, she asked Mr. Roberts who had
beaten him so ' • he replied Murray did it. She then asked
him who shot Major Murray; he replied, he (Murray) shot
himself first, and beat him afterwards, and said he had
beaten him with the tongs and poker ; he never said any-
thing about his going to die. Witness asked Mr. Roberts
if he knew Major Murray ; his reply was, that he had seen
him before, but never spoke to him. She asked him where
he met Major Murray; he replied, "In Hungerford-
market." She then asked him who spoke first ; he replied,
he spoke first ; and on witness asking him why, he said that
he thought Major Murray belonged to the Grosvenor Hotel
Company, and thought his company wanted money.
By Mr. Humphreys—He did not at any time say that ho
had known Major Murray before; what he said was, " 1
have seen him before, but never spoke to him."
Mr. Wm. Roberts, the son of the deceased, recalled—l
have been in the habit of acting fer my father. He had
no associate or partner. I used to sit in the room of No. 17.
Mr. Superintendent Durkin explained that there was a
communication from the staircase of No. 16 into 17 ; there
was no communication from Mr. Roberts's rooms to No. 17,
except through the landing.
Mr. Wm. Roberts continued—l transacted the business
in No. 17, and frequently went into my father's room in
No. 16. Was there on Thursday week last. The back
room wes generally clean and orderly. 'Was not in the
habit of going into the front room, but was there about a
week ago ; it was then in order. My father used to dust
his room himself. He last saw a woman acting as a laun-
dress cleaning the room about a week before.
The witness here identified the whole of the pistols pro-
duced as belonging to his father, except the revolver, which
he had never seen before. On 'Wednesday week last he
fired the small pistol at the mantel-piece in the back room,
that was the only time he did so.
By the Coroner—l have seen my father on two distinct
occasions fire pistols at the fire -place, but did not know
whether he was in the habit of doing so. I identify
the handwriting on the blotting paper, " Mrs. Murray, Elm
Lodge, Tottenham, as those of my father. The impress of
the other writing on the blotting paper is that of myfather.
The two letters produced are also in his handwriting. I
knew Major Murray by sight. In March last I was walk-
ing with my father in the Strand, when he said, " That is
Major Murray. Saw him about a month after wards
on the landing leading to his father's office. He did
not speak to him ; it was about three or four o'clock in the
afternoon ; it was in the month of April, but he could not
say what day. He was going to the bankers—the London
and Westminster Bank, to change a cheque ; it was my
father's cheque. My father was at home when I saw Major
Murray on the landing. I have often heard my father say
he had been out with Major Murray all day at the Grosve-
nor Hotel. I have never written to Major Murray, but I
have seen two letters written by my father to Major Mur-
ray, which I have posted. I dou't know any person that
had any communication with my father and Major Murraye.
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letters to Mrs. Murray. h produced
about two years;
the Strand and o:t3l,:tlanera
as not an irascible man, b t al- -
years. My father wed
used to stand on a shelf within reach.
Murraycall at the
I have seen in• She used to call office as long
back as October. ,about twice a '-
and she, generally came in the afternoon week,
the chambers when Mrs. Murray has
•have left
father ; last saw her there about a fortnight been
with my
since. or three weeks
By Mr. liumphreya—l am 18 years of
been in the business with my father about age, and have
saw Mrs,Murray a my father's about 12 rao
two years. First
11t134 no, when

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Mrs. Murray has been there, never went to cash a cheque. It
was in March when I met Major Murray in the Strand. I
was then going with my father to issue a writ. It
was about the middle, and it was about a month after that
I met Major Murray on the landing. Was certain that no
one else was there to see Major Murray but myself. The
writ we were going to issue was against Mr. Charles
Routledge. Was certain it was in the month of March.
It was on the right hand side of the Strand, near Water •
100 bridge, we met Major Murray. Did not observo
any recognition :: between him and my father. I
posted two letters to Major Murray, but do not recollect
the address of either. I think it was in March when I said
one was directed to Pimlico ; I meant one of the letters to
Mrs. Murray. I have only shot off the two pistols once.
I heard my father say he never saw Major Murray before
in all his life, and yet I swear that it was Major Murray
I saw on the landing. I recollect my father and
mother being at a fete at the Crystal Palace. When they
met Mrs. Murray my father introduced her to my mother.
I have heard they also met her at the Surrey liall, when
Mr. Spurgeon was preaching there. I did not know whether
my father had been in the habit of lending Mrs. Murray
money. Mrs. Murray was in the habit of calling on my
father two or three times a week, but sometimes not at all.
By Mr. Sleigh, through the Coroner—l have often heard
my father speak to my mother about Major Murray and
Mrs. Murray.
By Mr. Humphreys—l never heard my mother say she
had ever seen Major Murray before the 12th of this month.
A very lengthened discussion here took place as to an
adjournment, Dr. Canton stating 'that it would be unad-
visable to examine Major Murray to-day. lle would be
much better after a night's rest. It was ultimately deter-
mined to go on for another hour, and then adjourn to
Thursday.

COUNTRY MARKETS.

BRISTOL-JULY 23.

At our market to-day there was a good attendance of
millers, who were buyers of wheat to a fair extent, at last
Tuesday's prices. Oats 6d advance. More business done
in foreign grinding barley. Flour firm, and also peas.