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therefore support the bill, as it would relieve several bur- the same parties who were constructing au iron-cased fri_ was to be iegarded as shot-proof were being conducted. If , originally estimated. (Hear, heats) Honourable gentle- ' his children awaken pathos by as much pi t• I COUNTRY-31- AiKETS.
they were being carried on under the War Department and men who were disposed to underrate the labours of the nudity as is decent and safe for their health. c °I'M
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IMPERIAL, PARLIAMENT. dens that now pressed very heavily on the shipping trade. gate for the Admiralty?
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If the house delayed the passing of the bill it would only Mr. WHITBREAD said it was a fact that the Hibernia the Admiralty conjointly, he feare.d tho adva.nces made commission forgot that two of the most distinguished (ay;
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LIVERPOOL-JuNE 21.
HOUSE OF LORDS-YESTEIMAY. increase the claim for compensation. The real question for was pronounced unseaworthy by the surveyors IS the Ad• would be of a very slow character ; indeed, as it was they cers in the navy, Admiral Elliott and Captain Cooper Ke
them to decide was, was ten years a sufficient time for that miralty, and that firm were construct.ing an iron-eased were oPen to that charge' He might fu.rther observe that were upon that commission, and brought to its inquiries different to the necessities or the poor clergy.ranßeuest trade at this morning's market ; and we had a very limited
There was a fair attendance of the town and country
• f for the Admiralty but it was fair to say that in all if the works on the coast were armed with the 3001 b. guns the advantaee of their °Teat experience in scientific know- th • •
purpose. He thought that it was, and he also thought that frigtne / , . . . . e e . . , ei eis a proper way of doing everything. Intelli. business doing in wheat, and sales only effected at a decline
The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat on the woolsack
. Y Indian corn a moderate sale, and ls to 2s per q
the Government deserved great praise for the great mows eases in which that firm had supplied „encases for the Ad..
which
were
ordered to be made, his hon. friend opposite ledge. In reply to two questions which had been addressed gent and educated persons understand
nperNivehcitelh on last week. Flour was a fair sale at former uotations.
must, he thought, come to the conclusion that if this to him in the course of the discussion he wished to mention well the condition of this class; they can sympathise
at 4 o'clock. ,
-American mixed, 28s 6d ; white, 31s 6d to
THE CONSOLIDATION OF THE STATUTES BILL.
deration that had been given both to taxpayers and tax miralty they were of the best quality.
THE CHANNEL FLEET. phantom fleet entered the Solent it would not be allowed that x 20,000 would be taken this year for the supply of ad- with the deep instinct of keeping ua ea 4801 b. Oats ls 2d per bushel, and oatmeal 6d per load de-
The LORD CHANCELLOR made some observations
receivers. -
to rest there long. The Proposed batteries, indeed, on the ditional articles to the soldiers ;it was not proposed to give which there is in all society of a certPainPrPank an •
Barley and peast'ls 6d andfu2
relative to this bill, which were inaudible in the gallery.
Colonel FRENCH was against compensation being given In reply to Sir H. STRACEY,
, d cline Egyptian beans eave way
d BROUGHAM expressed his opinion that it was
Mr. WHITBREAD said there was no intention to send shoals, would form so strong a point d'appui, that in the all the articles which had been recommended at once, but at the same time see lslyp
e2rs
qpr ecrbaeracl3.pr3uesrep o n th o
Lor at all.
the sure consequence of th t week.. - -
face of them no enemy would, in his opinion, ever enter when these were all issued there would be equal to an extra attempt,-the pinching and positive wa t • a
in oats and sheIWhnAg.KEEIELD-rzwJatsueeeer.sEk 2pil..e.
not advisable that legal bills should be diacussed clause by
Mr. BUCHANAN thought the compromise of the hon. the Channel fleet to Great Yarmouth this year.
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clause in the House of Commons, considering that there ST. DOMINGO. into the Solent. That being his conviction, ho must pay of id. a day. The Committee on Iron Plates carried must go on underneath this exterior and for the
member for Sunderland was a very liberal one, and ought
was only a very small minority of members competent to air. w. E, FORSTER asked the Secretary foe Foreign again impress upon the Government the necessity ol on its experiments under the joint authority of the War_ sake of in They do not want a coarse appeal to The e l'
to be accepted.
upp ies of grain at market to-day were moderate,
deal with bills of that description.
Mr. LINDSAY said he should be neglecting his duty Affairs wheth .
er he had received any assurance from the pushing on those works with the utmost vigour. Revert- office and the Admiralty, both those departments being in- the eye or the actual sight of rags in order to move The wheat trade rather dull, a d f
n or good descriptione
THE INDIAN NAVY.
h d Government of Spam that it would not take advantage of 1 ing also to the subject of the experiments which were terested in the result of its investigations. their pity. It is to this intelligent class of society there was a retail demand, at Is to 2s under last Friday's
and also the interest of those industrious persons who a
ley
wa:
Guya:d, ,:nach leztal; eientet:
Irates. Barley nc!minal. Beans,
The Earl of ELLENBOROUGH, who had given notice
sent him to parliament ji he did not tom the sense of the the events that had recentlY eceurred in the eastern portion being made, he must saY that he did not think they were The house then resolved itself into committee of that the appeal ought to be made in hehalf of th-e is to 2s lower. No change
of a motion on the subject of the reduction of the Indian
of St. Domingo to introduce slavery or the slave trade into being carried on with sufficient energy, and that the num- SUPPLY. poorer clergy, and not to the mixed mass which
a attwthieslmarket to-day the show of wheat was short, with
house on his amendment.
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navy, now wished for some information as to what arrange-
any part of that island. ber of persons employed in Prosecuting them ought to be Mr. WILLIAMS said at that hour (five minutes to 12 composes a common congregation. We do not see
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After a few words from Sir F. GOLDSMID,
LOUGHBOROUGH-JuNt 20.
ments the Government proposed to adopt in order to meet Lord J. RUSSELL said he had received no officialcom- doubled, nay/ if necessarY, quintupled, in order to bring o'clock) it was too late for discussion ; and he therefore
gthueinfebnrtcte
the deficiency in the naval force that would be created. It The house then divided, when there appeared :
' munication from the Spanish Government, but the house them to an immediate issue. begged to move that tho Chairman report progress.
For the amendment
and making great gains, cannot be expected to fix
would be pleased to hear that he had received a despatch Admiral DUNCOMBE, notwithstandingthehigh authe- Mr. T. G. BARING hoped the hon. gentleman would labour, who are casting their capital into business lised ; white, 64s to 70s ; red, 54S to 63swpeerre36scsatioleel: Br ar-
was necessary this reduction should be supplied by her Ma-
Against
charges on their capital, which must necessarily be
jesty's ships, and he wished to !mow from what source the from Marshal O'Donnell, dated 22d April, stating that her rity of the hon. and gallant gentleman who hadjust spoken, allow the first vote to be taken.
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e.xpense of meeting the deficiency would be supplied. Majesty's Government would be pleased to hear that whe- 11211 st contend that nothing would be more suicidal than to The sum of £179,407 for works, buildings, and repairs selling at 37s to 41s per qr., grinding 29s to 32s Per 30 st.
Majority
The Duke of SOMERSET, having referred to the finan- ther any annexation took place or not, no slavery shoule be construct at once, and without due consideration, those for civil buildings at home and abroad was agreed to. of a floating character, for the purpose of endow- aOsaotsda heavy sale, and late values slightly declined. Beans
The amendment was consequently negatived.
I ull.
cial statement of Mr. Laing in support of the alteration . . . _ allowed to exist, and no slave trade be allowed to be carried forts along the shoals at Spithead. Taking into account the On the motion to report progress, ments ;" but that these persons might be expected
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which it was proposed to make, said that it was intended to Mr. CAVE then proposed that the following wor.as De on in the island. (Cheers.) uncertain state in which the proper construction of iron- Lord PALMERSTON said he should not oppose that to give to the Offertory. We presume it is the
that in the
EXETER-JUNE 21.
added at the end of the clause :-" Providod, DISTURBANCES AT ST. JOHN'S, NEWFOUND- plated ships and the efficiency of fortifications had been motion ; but he hoped hon. gentlemen would recollect that principle of the Offertory that these persons should
charge the Indian Treasury with the expenses of the pro-
hare-
Wheat, white.. 7s Od to7s 6d I B 1
ar ey . 4s Od to 5s Od
case of any body of proprietors paying a dividend to s
LAND. placed by recent experiments, the Government would not, there were 203 votes, and that they had made very little give according to their means ; and, if they do, Ditto new .7s Od to oOd I
posed alteration.
s Oats .. le 3s 6il
VOTE BY BALLOT. holders out of the profits made by them, or of any Company Mr. CHILDERS asked the Under-Secretary ef State for he thought, be justified in proceeding at once to incur so progress. there is exactly the same difficulty in adjusting Flour, fine, 448 te 46s ; seconds, 42; ******
3s
tha
1 entitled
to 44s per sack.
Lord TEYNHAM presented a petition from the Society paying a like dividend, or of any private individuate m
en-
the Colonieswhether the Government had received complete large an expenditure as must be consequent upon the build. Mr. HENLEY said that there was a great stir at the their liberality to a floating capital when the Offer- CATTLE.
for Promoting the Adoption of Vote by Ballot, setting by reason of a private proprietary right, ade
qhuad tZmPined information as to the disturbances at St. John's, Newfound- ing of the proposed forts. beginning of the session to give Tuesday for Supply, but tory is the channel that there is when a subscrip- There was a moderate supply of cattle, with a fair sale,
forth that the experience of recent cases proved that the sation shall be made in such manner as may se e . land, and if he had any objection to ley a copy of the papers capt, JERVIS could not concur with the hon. and gal- the Government had not availed themselves very much of tion list or anything else is the channel. and last week's rates were realised. Pork carcases in scarce
ecessity of
attempts to put in force the penal law for the purpose of pre- by arbitration or otherwise." He urged tillierona
g on the table ? lant member for Chatham in blaming the members of the the advantage thereby afforded to them. .e,._____....
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am a lar
Fat beef,p score, 12s to 13s0d Ewes, per lb ....Rd to 7d
ventingcorrup t practices at elections by fine and imprisonment making this amendment, and said that at S o
t f tie° Mr. FORTESCU'E said some unfortunate riots had committee who were carrying on the experiments to which Mr. WILLIAMS thought that a whole evening should TIIE ESSAYS AND .REVIETPS. Pork carcases,dolOs to lls 6d Wethers, d0e.... 7d to Od
had entirely failed in accomplishing their object, and prayed sum of money had been laid out in the i7rremen o e
taken place inNewfoundland in co uenee of party feeling he alluded with having performed their duties slowly, inas- be given to Supply. This evening had been consumed in
ues. He ap-
• Lambs, per lb 81,1 to Oel Fat calves, d0...5id to 61.
that attention might be given to the recommendations of harbour on the strength of receiving th . .
daring the last election. An investigation was now takiig much as they had within a period of three months shown the delivery of speeches, several of which were left unan- Rough fat, 4d per lb.
e addition he proposed
(Prom the Daily News.)
the witnesses examined before the select committee of the proved generally of the bill, and th
place, the result of which would soon be received, and whea that much of the expenditure of the French Government swered ;so that the discussion had been of a very deseltory The learned and very reverend author of "Latin -
House of Commons in favour of the adoption of vote by was only what was required as a matter of justice.
received there would be no objection to lay the papers on was useless, and that we must take care not to lay out character. (Laughter.) Christianit " in
y, the second book of that valuable BRISTOL SUGAR-JUNE 21.
ballot. Mr. M. GIBSON said he hoped the hon. gentleman
the table. money in the same way. Colonel DICKSON had asked a question on the subject history, contrasts with striking effect th •
differ- The market for raw sugars continues without alteration.
PRIVATE BUSINESS. would not press his amendment. He did not think that
THE RED SEA TELEGRAPH. Lord PALMERSTON-My hon. friend the member for of the functions of the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland, to ence between a Church Council as de e • In refined goods there is rather more in the way of sales
ted in favour of Shoreham and
vont minds d •
The following bills were read a second time :-The Salle- any special reason exis
' Capt. JERVIS asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer FinshurY has:adoPted the views of a very intelligent officer, which he had received no further answer from the noble love to conceive it, and the picture which his- 'Ding, and at about late rates. There have been one or
ht to •
'bury and Dorset Junction Railway, Southampton and Net- therefore he thought they oug come in to the 10 years
whether it was not advisable that the question of the Red Capt. Cole, and no doubt Prima facie there is something lord at the head of the Government than the statement of torical impartiality is compelled to draw. No- qt sil
esmmeanllt parcels of 9ra disposed of to meet present re-
s but the prices have not transpired.
ley Railway, Stockport District Water, Bognor Railway, compensation.
sea Telegraph should ba referred to a select committee, ix verY plausible in them ; but I confess that, after full reflec- s‘ mere truism. (Laughter.) He should take care to renew where can Christianity appear in such command_
THE 111 Ale
Kingstown Improvement, and New Russ Fart and Har- The amendment was withdrawn,and the clause was agreed
order to big ' e whether it might not be worth while endea. tion, and after hearing the arguments on both sides, I can- the subject on a future occasion. ing majesty as in a sacred synod. It includes of
bour. to.
vouring to render it available ? not concur in the conclusion at which the hon. baronet has The motion for reporting progress was then agreed to, and course, the most distinguished clergy ; l f '
a o ty and •
The following bills were read a third time and passed :- Clauses up to 21 were agreed to.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he arrived. it is somewhat remarkable that in this very the house resumed. sacred piety governs all its proceedings ; profound
Marlborough Railway, Barnsley Coal Railway, London In reply to Mr. DEEDES,
stathd on a former occasion that if there was a disposition tc short discussion we have had military men arguing in fa. DURHAM UNIVERSITY BILL. and dispassionate investigation exhausts every sub- tUAILS DUE.
and North-Western RailwaY (Eccles, Tyldesley, and Mr, M. GIBSON said all the clauses giving the right . . .
t th h uld t h th ll i your of forts, and naval men arguing in favour of floating On the order for the second reading of this bill, ject ; human passions have no place amid the Australia, Ceylon, and Mauritius (via South-
examine into this con rac as o no aye e sma es
Wigan), and the Trent, Anehclme/ and Grimsby Railway. to trans.fer Ramsgate I.larbour to any company, railway or
pton) • . • . .•
biection to the e.ppointment of a select committee; but with defences. So it will always be, and that was one of the Mr. FENWICK moved, as an amendment, the adjourn_ awful interests it contemplates ; its conclusions are am-
Do. .• • • ' ' ' July --•
STANDING ORDERS. otherwise, had been withdrawn. The funds transferred to ° - • •
regard to the subject mention yt e on. member, it ap-
ed bh h • difficulties which the Government ens erienced in coming ment of the debate. grave, harmonious, and temperate ; and even con- Brazil and Cape Verdi' ".. .
(via, Marseilles) July 13.
Lord REDESDALE moved that the standing order 185 Government from Ramsgate would be used for the benefit
him that to appoint a committee would be to de- to a decision upon the matter. But I think the argument The amendment was negatived without a division, and. demnation is so tempered with charity as d 11
gra ua y Buenos Ayres, Monte Video, We. ..; • • julY 4.1
peered to
(formerly 223) be considered, in order to its being amended of the harbour.
ortion of the House of Commons a duty is entirely in favour of forts 8.8 against ships. Let us just the bill was read a second time, to win back the wanderers to the still open fold. Cuba and Mexico .. .. .. .. ... June '4B.
lve upon a p
by the insertion of a paragraph to the effect. that no provi- Mr. MOFFATT thought that the management of
wvlich devolved upon the executive government, which it consider for a moment what the object is which we have The Chatham Dockyard Enlargement Bill went through Such is the fond dream of a pure and single-minded Canada, &c. (via L'derry) .. .. .. Overdue.
sion authorising any company to raise money or subscribe Ramsgate harbour by the trustees had been highly effec- .
d to d k d la. la th h't di in view. That object is the security of Portsmouth. What committee. enthusiasm. History shows the melancholy C'"e of Good Hope, &c. .. .. .. .. July 2.
was their uty un erta e, an wre , oug i was a i -
reverse. Clime, Penang, and Singapore (via' S'ampton) July -.
towards a guarantee of money by the undertaking of any tive.
ficult duty, they had greater advantages in performing than is it. that 'Portsmouth is to be attacked by ? By a fleet COPYRIGHT OF DESIGNS. "Nowhere," says Dean Milman, "is Christianit Do (via Marseilles) June 26.
other company should be introduced into any bill which Mr. MITCHELL was of a different opinion. commg into Spithead. Now, that fleet, as may be supposed, On the motion of Mr. M. GIBSON, the house resolved less attractive, and if we look to the ordinary tonye Gibraltar (via Southampton) .. .
a committee could have. He would inform the hon. mem-
.. Overdue.
was not brought in by the company, thereby not authorised IVIr. LIDDELL said with respect to the economy of the would be the strongest fleet that the enemy, whoever he may itself into committee, when leave was given to bring in a and character of the proceedings, India (Calcutta), Ceylon, &c. (via Southern. pton) Overdue..
ber f the position in which the matter at present stood, so
less authoritative
to raise money or to subscribe or to guarantee. trustees of Ramsgate Harbour, it had been stated that the - ° - dTh • tbe could conc,entrate upon that point. It would consist of bill to amend the law relating to the copyright of desig,ns. than in the Councils of th ni, bT 4 ' '
-0 -.UM,. in justice, vio- Do. (via Marseilles) June 26.
The Marquis of CLANRICARDE objected to any works, which had cost the trustees £2,000,000, could have the Government was concerne . e question. was o 1
far ea . .
ships of the largest size, and of the most formidable arma- The right hon. gentleman explained that the object of the lence, decisions on authority alone, and that the India (Bombay), (e:ia Southampton) .. .. June 25,
fi 1 • dto th fi ' • I
be considered in the rst p ace in regar e mem en-
Do. (via Marseilles) .. .. Overdue.
measure that would tend to prevent the extension of rail- been erected at a cost of £700,000.
meat, and to meet those ships we ought to have a fleet of bill was simply to give effect to the 12th article of the horit of a turbulen ' •
aut y.
t and in the second place with t majority, decisions by wild Lisbon .. •• •• .. June 21.
way accommodation generally, feeling satisfied that the Mr. MOFFATT said Sir J. Rennie, in his evidence in gagements of the Ciloverfurhel:
ble itself which had b n laid equal strength. Does my hon. friend propose that we French treaty. acclamation rather than after sober inquir detract Malta E e d **d
• ••
, gyp, an A en (via Southampton) ..
facilities of railways promoted the development of local the committee which sat some time ago, said if the works regard to the material o e .
ee ' h uld h v ermanently stationed at Spithead 10 iron-cased The bill was read a first time. from the reverence and impugn the jud:rnent, at Do. (via Marseilles) .. June 19.
*cability of turning it to advantage. As regarded s 0 ae P
traffic. He thought the matter should be left to private had had to be erected at the present time they could possibly and the prs.icta
ships of the largest dimensions and of the most formidable CHURCH ENDOWMENT ACT AMENDMENT. least of the later Councils, The close is almost in- "Itrjig.o, and Oporto .. .. .. .. .. June 21.
companies. have been carried out for ceopo. It must be recollected the financial part of the uestion, they had at present under
q hi hth • h
ination the mode in w c ey nng t come to an ,
armament equal to any fleet that might be brought into Leave was given to Mr. BOUVERIE to bring in a Bill to variably a terrible anathema, in which it is impos- W
neist:edrnS t6tot eass,t Coalifornia, Sm. .. .. .. June 26.
f Africa Madeira, Teneriffe
_.. July 10.
Earl GRANVILLE said he felt bound to support the that the works were commenced when the appliances which exam
Spithead for the purpose of attacking Portsmouth ? Why, amend the Act 6th and 7th Victoria, cap. 37, entitled "an 'lsle not to discern the tones of
sir . .. . hu
arrangemen ne,
t 'tie the persons who at present formed the man hatred, of West Indies and Pacific,Carthagena, Cuba, 6co. june 28.
a rogant triumnh, of ream'
motion, and considered it was the duty of the house to were at present in use were not in existence.
unless your fleet were equal in force to any fleet that might Act to make Better Provision for the Spiritual Care of . e ng at the damnation
d had charge of the telegraph, and upon that
simplify the operation of the railway system, and to reduce, Mr. MOFFATT said it was gratifying to hear that the company an
be brought there you would only lay in store for yourselves Populous Parishes.' imprecated against a humiliated adversar " 9
Y. k uch
.RAILWAY INTELLIGENCE.
ed hortl to roceed t
they should be prepar very s y pf o some
is the judgment of history.
as far as possible, the exPense attending the construction funds transferred from the trustees of Ramsgate Harbour
defeat and disaeter. You are, then, for the defence of an The Bill was read a first time.
measure, because it did not appear, nor as ar as he knew
. It appears to be worth the while of some of the _______..
of railways. to the Government were to be used for keeping the work
al hi h's usef Inl f th t• f fl t h• h
arsen wc 1 uoy or e crea ion oaee, w lc On the motion of Mr. BARING, the Select Committee on I
to the parties themselves, that there was any particular
' lergv to dem t h •
Some discussion ensued, in the course of which it was in efficient repair.
ileet is to operate wherever required, to look upon another Cadastral Survey was ordered to consist of 17 members.' IS cne ons rate ow vigorously the old vices TRAFFIC RETURNS FOR THE WEEKe
advantage in retaining the telegraph in the hands of those
contended by noble lords that though some alteration in t,he Clauses 22 to 24 were agreed to as amended.
fleet equal in size end strength to the one produced at the Mr. Hassard and Mr. Wyld were then added to the of their assemblies survives the power which made -
parties. On the contrary, it would appear on vaaious
existing system was necessary, still this motion went too Clause 25 was struck out.
niece which it is e our object to defend. (Hear.) Again, Committee. them at least respected. The Convocation of the Miles Opened. Receipts.
grounds to be desirable that they should be divested of all r.
Railways.
far, and might operate very injuriously in checking railway Clauses up to 31 were agreed to.
you could never reckon upon having your floating defences The house adjourned at half-past 12 o'clock. Province of Canterbury is a body which unites the r-18
1860. . 1861.. Ilf
enterprise. Clause 32 was postponed in order to allow certain amend- eard to the tele aph
further concern it. Then, with ree gr
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on the spot when t ey were wanted. f t ere was an alarm impotence of a French Senate with the pettiness of
Lord REDESDALE said that he would not press the ments to be made with reference to limiting its operations cable, and the possibility of turning ft to account, they had
uon another part of the coast do you imagine that the Go- _P 00. R INCUMBENCIES. a parish Vestry. But the Senate is at least digni- Ballymena and Port Rush.. - - X X
referred it to the Board of Trade, and that board was now Is
• Aed, and the Vestry useful. Nobody knows why Belfast and N, Counties.... 136 136 -
motion in its present form, but would introduce some mod', with respect to Ramsgate harbour.
vernment would allow these ten formidable ships-ships
1,921 1,943
fications to meet the objections of noble lords. Several verbal amendments were made in clause 33. preparing a report on the best method of making an
wh must necessarily be of the first class-to remain at
ich (From the Times) Convocation is allowed to meet. The very Bisho - Belfast and CountyeDs own.. 39 39
ps Birkd., Lanc., &Ch . June. - 643 602
The motion was then withdrawn. Clauses 34 to 41 with amendments were agreed to. examination of the different parts of the cable on Convocation certainly appears determined to do is .1 .d. 1 •
erci essly ri icu e its pretensions even in their own Blyth and Tyne 2O - _
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hor at Spithead ? Public opinion and the wants of the somethin or 20 2,079 1,525
the spot; and it was obvious that it was only upon such elle . g other to mark its brief session. We chamber. From the Bristol and Exeter 125 125
CHURCH BUILDING ACTS AMENDMENT BILL. Clauses 42, 43, 44 were omitted.
day so d
, me ozen years ago, 6 673 7 008
d any plan for the service would cane these ships to be sent elsewhere ; and notice an extraordinary proposal, which has •st when M. • Caledonian
The bishop of CHICHESTER, in moving the -second On clause 45 being read it was proposed to omit it and an examination that they could foun
f then, when the enemy, having made a feint at Plymouth or passed the Upper H • -
ouse, to institute a weekl viral un i •
au . a . mister contemptuously permitted its re- Cockermouth& Workington si 84 225 302
roading of this bill, stated that the object of the measure the following eight elauses, in order to make room for the future dealing with that cable. Of course the expense o
in some other direction, came to Spithead, your floating de- Offertory for the au mentat. f " ' y , t 1 now, it has done nothing, and it meets Cork and Bandon 2O 20 329 301
was to enable the Ecclesiastical Commissioners, in cases following proposals :-From and after the first day of the examination and the mode of conducting it were mat
fences would not be there. (Hear.) Take the expense. bencies." Now, first gwith
resionectoto
troor
ffincum- on condition of doing nothing to affect the real in- Bonritaßnlcrucokilit Passage. :
2:1
I;_a m u 3
where no patron and no incumbent existed, to proceed as if January, 1862, the Harbour of Dover and the soil thereof, ters for consideration, but those matters wer? at present n
__ . ertory terssts of the Church. The speeches delivered in Cornwall b
IT 64 1,538 1,318
ected with the Board 1 a rt e pose will, probably, not cost so nauch as the itself. A weekly Offertory isPn t h e
ezo s w pro
o t e natural form both Houses to sustain
the conditions of the Church Building Acts in respect to and all property, real and personal, vested in the warden the hands of competent persons conn
large fleet which, according to the theory of Captain Cole, of generosity and liberality in this age. There is a have b the appettrance of business ?-
Beeline& Belfast Junction a 173 1 325
343
,372 1,358
notice had been fully complied with. and assistants of Dover Harbour, or in any person in trust of Trade. een models of an ingenuit td t
would be permanently stationed at Spithead, for the pur- stiff, ceremonial look about it, which people do not ceal the real barre • y exer e o con- Dublin and Drogheda 63 63 1,828 1,890
Lord PORTMAN and the LORD CHANCELLOR both far the purposes of the said harbour, with their actual and BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE.
pose of defending Portsmouth, Moreover, the ships would like. Most people think the morning service long imess of their
friends talk of it as if inste d proceedings. Its in Kin s
punub. Wkl w . C
D d&alk aiendEnniskillen t')
11404 44 2,395 1,800
122 1 654 1 612
thought further time should be allowed for the considers- reputed appurtenances, subject to all liabilities affecting Lord PALMERSTON said, as the private business was
decay ; they would require constant repair ; they would enough already, without an additional quarter of an sentation of a , . aof being a repre- Dundee Thild Arbroath l7l 171 '746 '739
lion of the bill--a suggestion with which the Bishop of the same, shall be transferred to, and vested in a board of now nearly at an. end, he thought the time had arrived when
req ,
o a large body of sailors to man and work them. hour being forced upon them for the purpose of the 'Jolted Kin d portiton of the clergy of Igitdreleiratuh, & Aber. Jun.
fti NJ. 1,070 1,068
Ctichester concurred by postponing the second reading of truEtees to be called the Dover Harbour Board. The said some advance might be made in public business between
A much larger number of men would be required in the proving that the ultimate object of bringing them the Church of Ineinla,ni was a representation of E.Countfes,Nrtk.,&E.Union 499 499' 25,8876 27,90121 i
the lilt until Monday next. Dover Harbour Board shall consist of seven members, four four o'clock and half-past. When there was no actual
h • h f t t t t I •
t ships taninte or a we propose o cons ruc . n porn g d. But the first attempt
tto church is to make a demand upon their pockets. to deal with the rights of th ' Edinburgh and Glasgow
Edinbur h, Perth,& Dundee 78 78
EAST INDIAN LOAN BILL. of whom shall form a quorum ; the said seven members business before the house, perhaps it might be convenien
ur of economy, there , ,
fire either in firSt COnStruCtion or in It is quite true that in particular congregations, sentativss are to be found not thy,
e lait whose repre- Forth &gCI • 3'865 4'6'26
yde Junction
Lord DE GREY and RIPON, in moving the second shall be the Lord Warden for the time being of the Cinque that the public business should begin at a quarter past fo
maintenanee, or permanence, the balance of opinion is especially some London congregations, the weekly liament, would show the futirt ;lief but in Par-
Furness & South-Weste 1:814 in_ 1,509 1,532
reading of this bill, explained that the necessity for the loan Ports, who shall ex-officio be chairman of the said board, instead of half-past. ,
ff ts • h• Th y oul 1 • l Offertory flourishes But then these congregations It was ' 't b' th iy o
.t is pretension. 9,..1a5g0w
th ru
28g4 --1 7,757 8,204
CIVIL SERVICE EXAMINATIONS. in favour oor as against s ips. e w require ess • 'nevi a.e at Convocation, brought t - ureat Nor ern 283 23,175 24,865
did not arias from any deficiency of income in India, but two burgesses of the borough of Dover elected by the town
ld require less money to are picked ones. The huge mass of population gether without useful occupation. should 0 Great North of Scotland
that the evidence money to make them, they wou
from the state of the cash balances in the Home Treasury, council every three years, and to be eligible for re-election, Mr. COCHRANE moved a resolution: . .
around supplies the required number of homogene- stn.(lrind ) 329 249
g 9 astray r_lt.Soutian.tes We .
__ i 7,978 8,697,
kee them in re air, they would require fewer men to man -that some mischief sh Id b f d
ou e oun for its idle tireat IN es ern 584 674 45,537 42,7'77
The bill was read a second time. a member to be from time to time appointed by the Presi- taken before the select committee en civil service examine- P P ,
and work them, and they would be always on the spot. My ous tini s o
t t make up a congregation of one school, hands to do. The wonder is that this did not h Inverness & Aberdeen June. 55 55 S7O 801
The Duke of SOMERSET, on bringing up the report dent of the Board of Trade for the time being, a member tions proves that the system of examinations should be
This school likes the Offertory. The Offertory is pen befor B t 1 • lip- Irish South-Eastern 251 251 225 254
hon. friend says that ships could not be hit from the points .
e. a ear yin the present year the Lancashire & Yorkshire 395* 395* 37 0 0
38,680 , 1
on the Greenwich Hospital Bill, said that, as he understood to be from time to time appointed by the First Lori modified in order to meet the requirements of the public
one of its ideas. They g:ve to the Offertory, there , Leominster and Kington
at which these forts are to be built. I doubt that statement. - temptation presented itself at the mt• f
the bill was considered objectionable in point of form, and of the Admiralty for the time being, a member to be service. He read extracts of the evidence, in which heads
fore, with a relish, and a large Offertory is not onl tw h *th • • .1) •ee ing o tue Limerick and Ennis.
71
There seems to be scarcely any limit to the power of modern y o oases wi irresisti le fascinations. Halfsa- Limerick and Foynes 2 26),
was threatened with powerful opposition in the House of from time to time appointed by the South Eastern Railway of departments and practical official men testified that no
a triumph of charity, but also the victory of a theo- 161 126' '
artili , but there is a limit to the resisting power of ships, doren of the cler had üblished a book whicn
• , Llanelly 46' ea
Commons, he should not proceed with it. At the same time Company, under their common seal, and a member to be from advantage had accrued to the public service from the sys-
beca e7there ia a limit to the capacity of ships to float with logical conception. But introduce the arrangement made the judicioff ri P d London & North-Western . 1004 1004 81,2 86,:g
he repelled the imputation tkat he wished to use the patro- time to time appointed by the London, Chatham, and Dover tem since 1855, and adduced examples from the military us. .
into another church, and it makes ne way at all. It some of its autho g
deve, an which might bring London and Blackwell .st 6i 1,784 1,576
th • dI d f to t t
• a certain weight upon em , aia e y you cons rue a rs un er the censure of the Church London & South-Western . 400 3444 25 720 21.624
nage of the livings at the disposal of the Admiral for poli- Railway Company, under their common seal ; and the said examination papers of the questions put to candidates, _
Lond. Brighton, &S. Coast. 22 2234 19,760 18,624
ship covered with iron coating of sufficient thickness to is not one of the ideas of the congregation. You Courts. The matter, if it was to be to h d t 11
uc e a a London, Chatham, & Dover 5
tical purposes. Lord Warden shall from time to time nominate, under his which, he contended, were not calculated to test their powere
way say it will become one, if it is pressed, and if in Convocation, requir .c 1 •• • 114 1,368 303
repel the heavy shcts which are now sent from cannon, and
e very Judicious handling. Loud., Tilbury, & Southend 42 40 1,212 1,189
After a few words from Lords Ensinslnononon and hand, one of the members of the said Board to behis deputy, and intelligence.
people are familiarised with it ; but that is a very The Bisho s h • Man. Sheffield, & Lincolnsh 173 1734 12,m 11,835
B t
ugh to float in the water. (Hear.) u
yet to be buoyant eno . . .
ad united to üblis
p han expression mara, s
HARDwicKE, to preside at all meetings at which the said Lord Warden. After some remarks by Mr. HENNESSY and Mr. MILNES, hazardous game. In our opinion, it is far more f• • P Jun &Altrincham, 9t 1,136 1,016;
that is not the case with a fort. There is no floating in a o opinion unfavourable to the writers of the volume Meryl; ri ci Carlisle
Lord GREY said the best way ef getting rid of such im- shall not be present ; and in the event of an equality of Lord STANLEY, chairman of the committee, observed likely to empty our churches, and drive people else- and the religious opinion of th • ' Midland (iannel. N.-Western) 67:1 6114 1,212 1,186.
fort.. You mayhma
ke the walls of our fort as thick as ex-
e countrydwas unant-
putations Was by selling the Greenwich Hospital property, a votes at any meeting of the said Board, the chairman at that Mr. Cochrane had raised two questions-one as to the
to b es yto resist the attack of where. Men do not ordinarily like an arrangement mous. The commonest r d Midland Gt.Westn. of Irind. 1924 1774 3Fgg 310
to the report Penance . may sow ? nec rry
p u
.ence wont have sug- Monkland 56 50
course from which an immediate accession to the income of such meeting shall be entitled to a casting vets • provided, merits or demerits of the system. the other as
ft' • h '
the heaviest ordnance. Then, or nance o a cer am weig tis any the better for its being forced upon them ; and, gested that such a state of things was the best that Monmouthsh. Rail. & Canal 44
the hospital would arise. that in the event of either or both of the said railway coin- of the committee, evhich he had alleged to be contrary to the
unmanageable in a floating ship. You may have yourguns instead of forming a habit, you are increasing an that could be hoped for in th • t
ein erests of the ortho- Newcastle and Carlisle 44 2,4-94 0,42-4
, 78 78 3,381 3,706
The bill was then withdrawn, panics failing or declining to appoint a member of the said evidence. With reference to the latter, he remarked that
upon deck, but upon deck they are exposed to the fire of the aversion.
doxy. But a restless party to whom (Is tt" North British (incl. Selkirk
Ipu a ion iels)
Lord MONTEAGLE, in presenting a petition from Harbour Board within one calendar month after having Mr. Cochrane had quoted only a small number of the wit-
adversary, and may be soon disabled. In the embrasures of But a weekly Offertory for the augmentation of is as vital air, refused to 't
•t • h N:ilitt DaelvaOnh • •
h accep 1 wit contentment. 35 35 542 51&
certain Briti-sh subjects, natives of India, com Plaining of been required so to do by the President of the Board of nesses ; but he showed that the evidence of even these wit-
all livings is indeed a very extraordina Th N-Eastern(Bedale&Leybrn) 764 764
a fort they are protected, You may have any amount of sm . Ty eon- ere are some men w o would as soon be martyrs 41,229 36,719
their exclusion from the competitive examinations for tip- Trade, then such president shall, from and after such de- nesses was, in fact, favourable to the system. Without
ception, and we are much tms North London , 9 2,715 2,414
ce in aor . ou are mane m rega ot e were; t
rd an ' ft Y 1. •d • rd t h • h taken if nine out of as persecutors, but will insist on being ene or the North Staffordshire 246 2 9
pointments to office, called the attention of the house to fault, be entitled thereafter to appoint from time to time defending all the questions in the Examination Papers cited
ten even of the clergy themselves will not laugh other and Convocation off • Oswestry and Newton 2O -
33 7,134 8,108
°f
onrdnance which you can put on board ship, whereas you ers specimens of the class. 621 -
Rhymney 194 Igi 809 625
various acts of Parliament and to the Royal proclamation another member or members in lieu thereof, as the case by Mr. Cochrane, they were not, he said, put by the Civil 0
have in these forts guns of any calibre • and I ventuxe considerably at the idea as soon as they hear of it. In the Upper House the Bisho of Oxford and i
p , n st. ,
Helen s Canal& Railway 52 52 1,812 2,009
to the natives of India, admitting the eligibility of the raaY he. Service Commissioners, and therefore had nothing to do with maY . ' Imagine the surprise with which ninety-nine con gre- the Lower Ho
to say, in spite of all the calculations that have been made, • use Archdeacon Denison succeeded in Scmttish Central
natives to hold offices the duties of which they were qua- Mr. DEEDES protested against the manner in which the motion before the house. Lord Stanley then discussed
that if the forts at Spithead were to be constructed and gations out of a hundred will hear the announce- destroying the prosptrousunanimity which had been Scottish North-Eastern ll5 115 3;965 3,630
lified to perform. In spite of these enactments, he Dover Harbour was proposed to be dealt with by the pre- the general question as to the merits of the systers, and of
rmed with such cannon as Sir W. Armstrong and others ment of the new claimant upon their alms. The maintained, and provoked from a right rev. prelate nrreewituuura&nninitigrham
4-8 4-8 _ _
said certain Parsee gentlemen who had studied sent bill. He considered the changes proposed uncalled for, limited and unlimited competition, concluding with a yin- a .
t them an h• h• h •ht t
are able to put in 0 ,ysTs w ic 'mg come o inadequately beneficed clergy !We do not dispute and a very rev. dean the first words that Shrewsbury & Hereford
had been
for a moment that many of the I k • • • Shropshire Union 29
medicine in this country had not been admitted to the com- and the manner in which the subject had been introduced dication of the fidelity of the report.
nit attack Portsmouth would very soon be sent to keep com- h , c ergy, even spo en in puolic on behalf of the Essayists and Re- South Devon
t e clergy who have livings, are very
,809
111 off. We viewers. Still the mischief was not ast rena•
~ South-Eastern 306 306
petition for the appointments of the Army Medical Depart- to the house he thought very irregular. He thought the Mr. BENTINCK complained of the total irresponsib y .
1 G (A I h) Th f th h
pany with the Roya eorge. aug . ere ore, oug
21,573 21,533
meat. He only claimed for them what he believed to be Court of Assistants at Dover had been treated very disre- of the Civil Service Commissioners. , are perfectly aware also that respectable poverty, and it seemed as if Convocation w p_ 1 . .--, South Wales 1714 wit
4 -• -4 7,375 7,254
their right, and contended that the law ought not to be per- spectfully. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER thought it hon friend that i a matter of tis •
I quite agree with, my . n h which has to keep up appearances of some kind, is above the traditional w k as auout to rise S. Yorkshire and River Dun 118 118 3,034 3 254
h. sort, in which repeated experiments are necessary to enable ea ness of synods when, set- Stockton and Darlington _ 123 119 7,694 6,614
often worse off than the poverty of lower life. ting aside Dr. jelf's motion inviting ii;Eltl Vale 6l 64 4,920 4,506,
Vei ted by official prerogative. Mr. GIBSON said when the bill was first introduced entirely superfluous to make any further reply to Mr. Cdoed d
ou te feel sure that what you are doing will answer your the Upper
rane after the very able speech of Lord Stanley, but he a e Yu! b d
No. o
.y can tell nll the pinching,
1,896 1,787
and pressing, and House to join in condemning the obnoxious volume, Ulsveerrotone and Lancaster . g N
Lord HERBERT explained that the words of the Royal there existed no intention of interfering with Dover, but as ht t d •th h t t d •
ose. you oug o procee vi te u mos care an cir-
-726 702
other proofs of the unfair manner in which Mr. Cochrdanelt,
cPuniP grindity,
s and ari
p ng that goes on in Juxtaposition the Lower House quietly associated itself to the pub- ,Irrale of Clwyd
proclamation guaranteled appointments to natives in India the people at that place had petitioned to come within its
Ction et, on the other hand, I concur with the hon. - h - ' - - • -
148 141
blinded, he said, by the strength of his feelings, had. ea sPe. /y b Fdvit a very correct-looking morning and evening lished expression of the Bishops' opinion. But it VALorfoNrcelaanthd Kilkenny N N 2,005 1,502
only, but not in the general service of the Crown. In the provisions, alterations to carry these wishes into effect were f Ch the th t t• hld be
t sufficient] and gallant mem er or a m ano Imo sou
291 259
with the evidence, showing that he was no Y ress. But, unfortunately for the strength of this was not to be so. The deliberate vote of the Lower Waterford and Limerick ::: 77 77
case of these Parsee gentlemen, he considered them not made. He could assure the hon. gentleman opposite (Mr.
lo t d I uite sure that Cie course whieh the Govern-
-1,105 1,082
mindful of what was due to the Civil Service Commissioners, 8 ,tanha
(aim: ._ , _ . claim upon popular sympathy, popular charity is to House having been taken, a trick was resorted to .vs.ellacefirenwoolill erne &Ran 0 ri 920 903
physically qualified for the situations to which they aspired, Deedes) there was not the slightest intention of treating in
mimeo to adoptwith respect to the construe-
. 5,010 4,243,
who were charged with a most important duty.l . rat. en ve e . a very large extent an appeal to the eye. If your on a subsequent day which would have been im- West Midfand .
and he had been confirmed in that opinion by Dr. Gibson, a slighting or disrespectful manner the Court of Assistants
h h• h h b ed M • ' s • • - -
on of these forts is t e course V' lc oug tto e pursu . y
W'haven,Cleator,&Egrmnt. 7 7 7,191 7,273:
Lord R. CECIL remonstrated against the severity with i poor incumbent will, in spite of the inner martyr- possible in any assembly of laymen in England,
Director-General of the Army Medical Department ; Sir J. at Dover, who had conferred the greatest benefit on the
538 47&
which Mr. Cochrane had been treated by Lord Stanley and hon. friend says, truly enough,that there are defects in Ports- dom, persist in looking so respectable, so smooth, so America, or Australia. When the Lower House rvieiteeihiaavveenn tretioenss
jun. lg 12 779 707
Liddell, Director-General of the Navy Medical Depart- town by their exertions.
35
ment ; and Sir It, Martin, a gentleman of great experience The clause was omitted. Mr. Gladstone. He had been charged, he said, almost mouth arising from an insufficient depth of water, and that correct, so shining a
,nd so glistening, it is not to be had been reduced, by departures, to thirty-eight 791 681
in India.
with garbling the evidence, but he contended that, so far some other place may be Mind better adapted for the expected that much emotion will be felt. The members, twenty of those whostayed behind united lOREIGN AND COLONIAL.
. Clause 52 was ordered to stand part of the bill.
ntwerp and Rotterdam 52 52 i,009
Lord ELLENBOROUGH bore the highest testimony to Clauses 53 to 64 were ed to. from exaggerating, Mr. Cochrane had rather understated building of an iron fleet. Teat is one of the considera- crowd are ne Philosophers ; they want a good in a prayer substantially identical with that which Austrian 989
the evidence against the new system, He stated the tions which led the Gevernuent to think that Chatham downright visible ease to rouse them. Let the Lower House had formally rejected, and, with Belgian Eastern Junction 2
828 673 40,633 34,890,
the qualifications of the native doctors, preferring them, if Clause 65 was postponed.
6i 264 268 276.
in India, to those. of Europeans. He did not see any reason Several new clauses were agreed to, amongst them those de useful to tSe public service I onl forth lik Buffalo and Lake Huron
grounds of his objection to the system and to its administra- might be ma . . . y wretch.cd!iess come e a man, and th. e chal- the aid
.of Archdeacon Bickersteth, acting as Pro- Detroit and Milwauki
I h•ch made the make that observation in pulsing hoping that my hon. lent-se is irresistible but the mass has a dim Itin th f h f B i Dt h • e 185 185 2 373 2 ^B3
why native medical cfficers should not be employed under given above, constituting a new governing board for Dover tion by a secret and irresponsible tribuna, w-1 , . ' . . 6 .. ~ -culty ocu or e absence ot e Dean o lento., ac- Li c Rhenish
the general direction of Europeans, as they would fairly Harbour. system one full of danger. friend will bear it in mull when we come to discuss in penetrating into inner worlds of pain and heart- tually palmed it on the Bishops as the vote of the astern Of France. ......
East Indian
Meet the wants of the service. Mr. DEEDES and Lord LOYAINE etrongly protested Sir S, NORTHCOTE defended the report of the com- the question,, a d .
bout the dockyard at Chatham. gnawin s which go on beneath ood coats and Lower House an act which was indi nantl
g I h g ' *, g y cha- Grand Trunk of Canada 970 970
248 166 7 753 4,960
12,4 .
72 11,527
Lord CLANRICARDE and Lord DE GREY and Ripon against the manner in which Dover had been dealt with b mittee, and ins
' isted upon the vices attending the old no- (" Hear, hear, .an a laigh.) Upon the whole my waistcoats. tso appens that, while the poor racterised as it deserved by Canon Wordsworth and Great Indian Peninsula. •• • 3501 277 5,687 4,008.
having said a few words, the petition was ordered te lie on the present bill. Y mination system, which had been extinguished by the opinion is, in
• • spite of the ingenious arguments which capt, clergy are an undoubtedly existing fact, they are others from their places, as soon as it became Orreeat Luxembourg l2B 128 3,591 2,71&
Gat Western of Canada 345 345 6,953 6
Cele has urged in favour ()Meeting as against permanent at the same time the most invisible class in the corn- kno gyn. This application to the Upper House is the
,280
the table.
competitive system.
Lyons and Geneva 142 142 5,776 5,470
a Mr. THOMPSON moved the following additional clause th t' la. hd f th t permanent Jefences are indispensable. I munity. You may go everywhere, looking right foundation of the proceedings which we h . . Madrid, Sarag s &Ali t
a can 301 284 15,591 12,565
Their lordships then adjourned. Mr. MA spoke in opposition to emo ion, wic e ences, a
GUIRE • • •
aye tnis Northern of Cc's
to the bill :-" That on and after the first day of Janua don't mean to say they nuy not be assisted by floating and left for one ; they are on all sides of you thick week reported at so great length. The twe t anada ..
-- rY, was negatived.
n y busy- Northern of France 624 614 44,467 43,880
HOUSE OF COMMONS-V
.. ESTERDAY. 1862, all vessels exceeding ten tons entering or leaving the
THE FORTIFICATIONS AT SPITHEAD. defences. We cannot rely epon permanent defences alone, as bees, but they are as effectually hid as if they bodies succeeded in bringing down upon the house Norwegian Trunk 44 44 1,050 714
harbour of Whitby shall pay to the trustees of Whitby .ss. but no doubt y
ou would aluays have at Portsmouth a core lived in the bowels of the earth. You may desire to which they belong the deprecated ta k f . Paris, Lyons, & Mediterrn 879 840 85,989 77,036
The SPEAKER took the chair at twelve o'clock. TO desired to call the attention of the house
s o appoint- Paris and Orleans 922 922 54,717 50,380
Harbour such SUm or tOll, not exceeding one penny pet ton, "sir su• FE .• b be t • nof ships to resist your forts, and your forts from sheer curiosity, to see a phenomenon which ing• a committee te make extracts from e Essays and
PRIVATE BUSINESS.
to the nature of the fortifications a out to erected at am num er
Pernambuco 364 - 600 _
as such trustees may from time to time direct to be paid to . g and ships together would be sufficient. It is said that you have heard so much of, but, even with the Reviews," and report thereon. It is much easier t Royal Danish 69 09 - _
Ihe Birmingham Im rovem t B• 11 d G t Spithecd with re erence
f to the very great changes now takin
0 Sambre and Meuse
Southern and
western
of pirei
cr i an the rea them, for the support, maintenance, and improvement of -th fts ould serve al buoys to enable the ships of assistance of your most clearsighted friends and make a hole than mend it, and the most able, 68 68 1,376 1,P,..24
an (capital) Bill were read a maments ; and to inquire if the Govern-
place in naval ar . . ese or w .
ex- South Austrian • 904 826 52 199 32 489
third time and passed, the existing or any future tide lights at the entrance of the
h h •
to reconsider the question wet er floating the enemy to arrive at Spithead. Does anybody really neighbours, not to say even of th.e police, if called perienced and sober members of Convocation hsss Southern of France .. 777 773 2' ' '
"' n Welland. 2,420 19,580
ment intended
naval Power on the continent else- for, you cannot get at it. What is the explanation spent an anxious week in tr in to •• _25 25
Several other private b' harbour : Provided always, that any vessel which shall ffective for the defence of imagine that any
y g find some way West Flanders
s'-7 -0
ills were advanced a stage. batteries would not prove more e
; ; hat in a cert. ' of e tin rid f +I, V. : ••. -r5 75
're the ' t ce o. these forts to find of this mystery ?We suppose et ,s t .tun g t g -o. ...e .USineSS. Th
THE HARBOURS Btu_ have paid such toll on entering the harbour may again leave nstructed on the where would requi Mina an f
e proposition of ten and N.W. of France.... 742 730 42,iit 42,1
RAMSGATE. the arsenal than the farts proposed to be co
the first thing attended Archdeacon Denis
On the house going into committ theyharbour without further payment of toll." anchorage at Spithead ? (Hear.) We have rank o‘f life appearances are on, seconded by Dr. A. M'Caul,
did not wish in any way to deprive the Govern- their way to the
ed at whatever c from h
Mr. M. GIBSON said it would b
eeecon this bill, The claim was agreed to and added to the bill. shoals. He
charts which indicate witl the greatest nicety the course to. 1 hey must be consider f ost, wom better things might have been expected, [AnvEnTmEsiENT.] - Pills and medicine in
onvenient if he were ney which had been placed at their disposal
ment of the mo . . .
foreign and whatever else has to give way to them. The is virtually
variably ag-
that Convocation proceed to what they
to make a short statement with respect to R The preamble and schedules of the bill were then agreed hi hh' ht to pursue. We know well that all
w e s ips oug
elevate and perpetuate diseases •
, their
amyate her- for fortifications or otherwise, but to direct attention to the
entleman must look like one of his class ; the lady arm oyance, die-
bour. Nothing could be further from the hate to, and the chairman was ordered to report the bill. Governments which have navies are in possession of these g are pleased to call " s nodical action" on the abppointment, and expense may be avoldfld by persons
rations of the mode in which that money was proposed to be expended.
the same • the children must look like genteel chil- opinions of the inc • ' yd
b
Government than proceeding with The house resumed and the sitting was suspended till
That a great mistake was about to be committed was not ckarts. We also know tiat visits of vessels of war belong- , b
k In oth
riminate oo . er words, in indifferent health sending only their address to E.
any steps relative to
d f cts di t. •h bl b t d
Ramsgate harbour under the Provisions of this bill •
, he 6 o'cloek.
his opinion only. Admiral Dundas had expressed a very ing to foreign Powers ham not been unfrequent, and that dren ; there may ee e s inguis ae y o con einn and place in the Index after the man- S' Barry, Esq., 77, Regent-street, W '
e tiondon, and they
sharp eyes, but the look of the surface must be the ner of Rome, a work which evervbod v so.rDno +,, will receive eratis and fr.. I,‘" ~.,.... .i... .. _
was therefore perfectly willing to agree to the • • The house resumed at 6 o'clock.
rt of our Geist which has not been accurately
there is no pa
_1_,..0 ....F ....h.,» ~.P...,- A 11 A 1 •
omission of I
decided opinion to the same effect. Floating batteries were
__ _ _ _ _ ._,
all portions of the bill touching that harbour. weer_ eeee , i nrrner 7V A T A 'VT TN
____ vio u s n .ihy6adel at
eipplaleegri....

(Prom the Daily News.)
The learned and very reverend author of "Latin
Christianity," in the second book of that valuable
history, contrasts with striking effect the differ-
ence between a Church Council as devout minds
love to conceive it, and the picture which his-
torical impartiality is compelled to draw. No.
where can Christianity appear in such commani
ing majesty as in a sacred synod. It includes, es
course, the most distinguished clergy ; a lofty and
sacred piety governs all its proceedings ; profound
and dispassionate investigation exhausts every sub-
ject ; human passions have no place amid the
awful interests it contemplates ; its conclusions are
grave, harmonious, and temperate ; and even con-
demnation is so tempered with charity as gradually
to win back the wanderers to the still open fold.
Such is the fond dream of a pure and single-minded
enthusiasm. History shows the melancholy reverse.
"Nowhere," says Dean Milman, "is Christianity
less attractive, and if we look to the ordinary tone
and character of the proceedings, less authoritative
than in the Councils of the Church. Injustice, vio-
lence, decisions on authority alone, and that the
authority of a turbulent majority, decisions by wild
acclamation rather than after sober inquiry, detract
from the reverence and impugn the judgment, at
least of the later Councils, The close is almost in-
variably a terrible anathema, in which it is impos-
sible not to discern the tones of human hatred, of
arrogant triumph, of rejoicing at the damnation
imprecated against a humiliated adversary." Sue]
is the judgment of history.
It appears to be worth the while of some of thl/4
clergy to demonstrate how vigorously the old vices
of their assemblies survives the power which made
them at least respected. The Convocation of the
Province of Canterbury is a body which unites the
impotence of a French Senate with the pettiness of
a parish Vestry. But the Senate is at least digni-
Aed, and the Vestry useful. Nobody knows why
Convocation is allowed to meet. The very Bishops
mercilessly ridicule its pretensions even in their own
chamber. From the day, some dozen years ago,
when a Minister contemptuously permitted its re-
visal, until now, it has done nothing, and it meets
on condition of doing nothing to affect the real in-
terests of the Church. The speeches delivered in
both Houses to sustain the appearance of business
have been models of an ingenuity exerted to con-
ceal the real barrenness of their proceedings. Its
friends talk of it as if, instead of being a repre-
sentation of a portion of the clergy of
the Milted Kingdom, it was a representation of
the Church of England. But the first attempt
to deal with the rights of the laity, whose repre-
sentatives are to be found not there but in Par-
liament, would show the futility of this pretension.
It was inevitable that Convocation, brought to-
gether without useful occupation, should go astray
—that sonic mischief should be found for its idle
hands to do. The wonder is that this did not hap-
pen before. But early in the present year the
temptation presented itself at the meeting of the
two houses with irresistible fascinations. Half-a-
doren of the clergy had published a book which
made the judicious grieve, and which might bring
some of its authors under the censure of the Church
Courts. The matter, if it was to be touched at all
in Convocation, required very judicious handling.
The Bishops had united to publish an expression
of opinion unfavourable to the writers of the volume,
and the religious opinion of the country was unani-
mous. The commonest prudence would have sug-
gested that such a state of things was the best that
that could be hoped for in the interests of the ortho-
doxy. But a restless party, to whom disputation
is as vital air, refused to accept it with contentment.
There are some men who would as soon be martyrs
as persecutors, but will insist on being one or the
other, and Convocation offers specimens of the class.
In the Upper House the Bishop of Oxford, and in
the Lower House Archdeacon Denison succeeded in
destroying the prosptrousunanimity which had been
maintained, and provoked from a right rev. prelate
and a very rev. dean the first words that had been
spoken in public on behalf of the Essayists and Re-
viewers. Still the mischief was not past repair,
and it seemed as if Convocation was about to rise
above the traditional weakness of synods when, set-
ting aside Dr. Jelf's motion inviting the Upper
House to join in condemning the obnoxious volume,
the Lower House quietly associated itself to the pub-
lished expression of the Bishops' opinion. But it
was not to be so. The deliberate vote of the Lower
House having been taken, a trick was resorted to
on a subsequent day which would have been im-
possible in any assembly of laymen in England,
America, or Australia. When the Lower House
had been reduced, by departures, to thirty-eight
members, twenty of those whostayed behind united
in a prayer substantially identical with that which
the Lower House had formally rejected, and, with
the aid of Archdeacon Bickersteth, acting as Pro-
locutor in the absence of the Dean of Bristol, ac-
tually palmed it on the Bishops as the vote of the
Lower House, an act which was indignantly cha-
racterised as it deserved by Canon Wordsworth and
others from their places, as soon as it became
known. This application to the Upper House is the
foundation of the proceedings which we have this
week reported at so great length. The twenty busy-
bodies succeeded in bringing down upon the house
to which they belong the deprecated task of appoint.
ing a committee to make extracts from "Essays and
Reviews," and report thereon. It is much easier to
make a hole than mend it, and the most able, ex-
perienced and sober members of Convocation have
spent an anxious week in trying to find some way
of getting rid of the business. The proposition of
Archdeacon Denison, seconded by Dr. A. AlTaul,
from whom better things might have been expected,
is virtually that Convocation proceed to what they
are pleased to call " synodical action" on the
opinions of the incriminated book. In other words,
to condemn and place in the Index after the man-
ner of Rome, a work which everybody agrees to
call most erroneous. The folly of this course was
pointed out in clear and earnest language by the
Bishop of London in the March sittings of the
Upper House. The Bishop warned his brethren that
the Protestant people of these islands do not value
at a straw the sentence which Convocation may
deliver on opinions respecting which they have
already judged for themselves, as they are well able
to do. Since then the relative situation of the
several parties has been changed in an important
respect. One of the authors of " Essays and Re-
views" has been prosecuted by his diocesan for
heresy. Archdeacon Moore pointed out the
course which common decency dictates in such a
case, but he could hardly get time to ask whether
they were to assume the functions of a court, and
pronounce a solemn judgment against a man
already on his trial, before the vociferous Denison
interrupted him with a stolid and unblushing
" Yes." Canon 'Wordsworth also, after warning the
Convocation that they were contemplating an
illegal and uneonstitutional act, the assumption of
high and solemn functions without authority,
showed how much harm would be done if by their
conduct heresy were associated in the eyes of the
public with oppression, and orthodoxy with injus-
tice. He asked Dr. M'Caul how he and others,
probably the great body of the members of Convo-
cation, w ho had united in signing the condemnation
of this book, " having taken upon himself the duties
of Attorney-General, could superadd to them those
of the Lord Chancellor, and not only prosecute the
book, but sit in judgment upon it ?" Appeals of
this kind, however, are never listened to in synods.
Zeal blinds men to consequences, and too often, in
proportion to the singleness of mind with which a
right end is espoused, are all means thought
allowable if they but promise its attainment. Con-
vocation is no worse than other synods, but rather
better' 'as composed of Englishmen accustomed to
the habits of a healthy public life, and amenable to
English public opinion. But it cannot escape the
vicious tendencies inherent in its constitution ; and
lay or clerical., Churchmen, whether may be thank-
ful that
ttieir liberties and principles are not at
the mercy
of an assembly of priests, but rest on
the bas;- of law, interpreted and administered 4-
ac-
cording to fixed rules, under the protection o 140
supreme authority 41 the State,

(From the Times.)
Convocation certainly appears determined to do
something or other to mark its brief session. We
notice an extraordinary proposal, which has just
passed the Upper House, to institute a weekly
Offertory for the augmentation of " poor incum-
bencies. Now, first with respect to the Offertory
itself. A weekly Offertory is not the natural form
of generosity and liberality in this age. There is a
stiff, ceremonial look about it, which people do not
like. Most people think the morning service long
enough already, without an additional quarter of an
hour being forced upon them for the purpose of
proving that the ultimate object of bringing them
to church is to make a demand upon their pockets.
It is quite true that in particular congregations,
especially some London congregations, the weekly
Offertory flourishes. But then these congregations
are picked ones. The huge mass of population
around supplies the required number of homogene-
ous units to make up a congregation of one school.
This school likes the Offertory. The Offertory is
one of its ideas. They give to the Offertory, there-
fore, with a relish, and a large Offertory is not only
a triumph of charity, but also the victory of a theo-
logical conception. But introduce the arrangement
into another church, and it makes no way at all. It
is not one of the ideas of the congregation. You
way say it will become one, if it is pressed, and if
people are familiarised with it ; but that is a very
hazardous game. In our opinion, it is far more
likely to empty our churches, and drive people else-
where. Men do not ordinarily like an arrangement
auy the better for its being forced upon them ; and,
instead of forming a habit, you are increasing an
aversion.
But a weekly Offertory for the augmentation of
small livings is indeed a very extraordinary con-
ception, and we are much mistaken if nine out of
ten even of the clergy themselves will not laugh
considerably at the idea as soon as they hear of it.
Imagine the surprise with which ninety-nine congre-
gations out of a hundred will hear the announce-
ment of the new claimant upon their alms. The
inadequately beneficed clergy ! We do not dispute
for a moment that many of the clergy, even
the clergy who have livings, are very ill off. We
are perfectly aware also that respectable poverty,
which has to keep up appearances of some kind, is
often worse off than the poverty of lower life.
Nobody can tell ell the pinching, and pressing, and
grinding, and paring that goes on in juxtaposition
with a very correct-looking morning and evening
dress. But, unfortunately for the strength of this
claim upon popular sympathy, popular charity is to
a very:large extent an appeal to the eye. If your
poor incumbent will, in spite of the inner martyr-
dom, persist in looking so respectable, so smooth, so
correct, so shining, and so glistening, it is not to be
expected that much emotion will be felt. The
crowd are no philosophers; they want a good
downright visible case to rouse them. Let
wretchedness come forth like a man, and the chal-
lenge is irresistible, but the mass has a difficulty
in penetrating into inner worlds of pain and heart-
gnawings which go on beneath good coats and
waistcoats. It so happens that, while the poor
clergy are an undoubtedly existing fact, they are
at the same time the most invisible class in the com-
munity. You may go everywhere, looking right
and left for one; they are on all sides of you thick
as bees, but they are as effectually hid as if they
lived in the bowels of the earth. You may desire
from sheer curiosity, to see a phenomenon which
you have heard so much of, but, even with the
assistance of your most clearsighted friends and
neighbours, not to say even of the police, if called
for, you cannot get at it. What is the explanation
of this mystery ? We suppose it is that in a certain
rank of life appearances are the first thing attended
to. They must be considered, at whatever cost,
and whatever else has to give way to them. The
gentleman must look like one of his class; the lady
the same; the children must look like genteel chil-
dren ; there may be defects distinguishable by
sharp eyes, but the look of the surface must be the
same as the look of other surfaces. All this exerior,
however, while it sharpens the tooth of poverty
within, has at the same time the unlucky effect of
concealing the fact of poverty. There is no appeal to
the eye. Imagine, then, our ordinary congregations
called upon to contribute every week, as a part of the
church service, to the augmentation of minor bene-
fices and the wants of the poor clergy. They will
immediately say, " Where are these poor parsons ?
" Let us see the poor miserable creatures ; we want
to loik at them; our pity is ready at the proper
notice, but we must have something visible and
tangible to excite it." Convocation, if it persists
in this scheme, will have to send forth every six
months a ragged regiment of parsons, in order to
sustain the popular sympathy at its proper pitch,
and really substantiate the belief in the existence
of poor clergy at all. This will be a positively ne-
cessary part of the machinery of the scheme. It is
no sort of use expecting or dreaming that common
congregations will give one farthing to the heart
which aches underneath exceptionable broadcloth
or a well selected fashionable print and volatile
bonnet. We have no doubt that an experienced
lady's eye will detect a difference in the dress of a
poor parson's wife and a squire's wife or a rich
rector's wife, but to the eye of the mass of any con-
gregation a gentleman is a gentleman, and a lady a
lady ' • and if two people will persist in looking so
very like other gentlemen and ladies they must
take the consequence which is so complimentary to
their efforts. Neither the hat nor the plate will go
round for them ; at least, if it does, it will go its
circuit without much replenishing. If you appeal
to the mass, you must have a spectacle, you must
have a fact, you must have something which has an
outside as well as an inside, and a very palpable
outside too. You must advertise upon a broad and
striking scale. You must study pictorial designs
and striking effects. The pity of the crowd has a
strong theatrical principle in it ; you must consult
this taste, or your attempt will be a dead failure.
You must do the thing artistically, and achieve the
proper combination which unites, in the telling
spectacle of clerical indigency, a calm and sacred
dignity with the want of buttonst„ and a truly
poetical expression with darns. Ine parson in
rags must preach eloquently though mutely, his
wife must weep irresistibly upon torn muslin, and

HOUSE OF CONIMONS— YESTERDAY.
The SPEAKER took the chair at twelve o'clock.
PRIVATE BUSINESS.
he Birmingham Improvement Bill and the Great
Southern and Western of Ireland (capital) Bill were read a
third time and passed.
Several other private bills were advanced a stage.
THE HARBOURS BILL—RAMSGATE.
On the house going into committee on this bill,
Mr. M. GIBSON said it would be convenient if ho were
to make a short statement with respect to Ramsgate har-
bour. Nothing could be further from the intentions of the
Government than proceeding with any steps relative to
Ramsgate harbour under the provisions of this bill ; he
was therefore perfectly willing to agree to the omission of
all portions of the bill touching that harbour. (Hear, hear.)
When it was proposed to seek any power to deal
with the harbour the parties would have to come openly
and freely to Parliament, and he could assure the house
that there would be no anticipation of
adecision,hear.)
Parlia-
ment of
by her Majesty's Government. (Hear,
The house then went into commit tee.

Sir M. PETO desired to call the attention of the house
to the nature of the fortifications about to be erected at
Spithead with reference to the very great changes now taking
place in naval armaments ; and to inquire if the Govern-
ment intended to reconsider the question whether floating
batteries would not prove more effective for the defence of
the arsenal than the forts proposed to be constructed on the
shoals. He did not wish in any way to deprive the Govern-
ment of the money which had been placed at their disposal
for fortifications or otherwise, but to direct attention to the
mode in which that money was proposed to be expended.
That a great mistake was about to be committed was not
his opinion only. Admiral Dundas had expressed a very
decided opinion to the same effect. Floating batteries were
rauch preferable to forts, which, however powerful, could

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NEW ZEALAND.
Mr. AD DERLEY asked the Under-Secretary of State for
the Colonies whether, now that the rebellion in New Zea-
land was suppressed, the government were taking such steps
as would tend to extricate this country from any future im-
plication in native policy ; and whether they would now ad-
vise her Majesty to give assent to the Native Council Bill
sent by the New Zealand Legislature for her approval.
Mr. PORTESCUE said he could not give any other
answer than that he gave before, viz that a new governor
of New Zealand, Sir George Grey, ha' been apointed, and
that instructions had been given tod p him to consider the
whole subject of the administration of the colony and re-
port to her Majesty's Government. Under those circum-
stances it would be very
Wrong at the present moment to
give any assent to the Native Council Bill.
RETIRING PENSIONS TO GOVERNORS OF
COLONIES.
Colonel FRENCH asked the Under-Secretary of State
for the Colonies whethreertiirtinhgadpeteinonsdetetormgionveedrnboyr:hoef
Government to grant
colonies; and, if so, after what period of service, and on
what scale.

surveyed, and which is tot as familiar to the naval officers

never be effective beyond the range of their own guns. They

of other countries as to the officers of our own service.

could only protect a portion of Spithead, and the commis-
sioners themselves admitted that the forts when erected
could not prevent iron ships passing them. They would
therefore be practically useless, for vessels taking up a po-
sition out of the range of the forts would be able to shell
the whole of Portsmouth Dockyard. The commissioners
admitted that to make them effective the forts would re-
quire the assistance of explosive machines, which were
tried by the Russians during the Crimean war and signally
failed, and of a certain number of iron-clad vessels as a re-
serve. It was said that these forts would protect a large
number of merchant ships and hulks ; but if these vessels
were attacked by an enemy, the forts durst not fire for fear
of injuring their friends as much as their foes. If they did
fire, the smoke from the first two or three discharges would
prevent the gunners distinguishing objects, and they would
become useless. In his opinion, Portsmouth could not in
question
the future continue to be what it was now, our great re-
pairing yard, and he therefore urged the Government to
pause before they commenced an expenditure which they
said would amount to £840,000, but which might amount
to £1,840,000.b40,000. The other day a friend of his argued this
onealone.
of the
The
forts can d
Commissioners,
on
harm, rn atl?
andthey
will said
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will be a great
let with
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T menace." That was not what we wanted,
and could be of no s
Sir F. SMITH saiedlvih
icsehto us.
on. friend appeared to think that
i the defence of Portsmouth
i
and that no land defences or
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ought to be confined to ships,
fortssalipon shoals ought to be
erected. For his own part, he la
beenlf convinced that
those forts at Spithead were requisite
been officially engaged in considering. deehfeandeefor 2ofOpyearsor
mouth and of the Solent, and ho had never doubted. theatds:
visability of erecting such forts as these. His opinion in that
respect was shared by all the most eminent naval and mili-
tary officers whom he had consulted. The whole of the coast
in the vicinity of Spithead was, if he interpreted the inten-
tions of the Government rightly, to be furnished with
powerful batteries, and would not their range, he would ask,
be equal to that of those ships which it was said might
bombard the dockyards? He only hoped the Government
would not relax in their determination to construct these
batteries on the shoals in question, but that theyiwould cause
them to be erected with all possible despatch. He w;Bl.led,
ho might add, to know under what department the experi- 1
meats were being conducted as to w4at thickness of iron

(Hear.) So mach, then, for the subject to which my hon.

friend has called attention, I am bound to say that there is

nothing in his arguments or his figures which leads me to
think that the Government have arrived at a wrong conclu-
sion. Before sitting down I may be allowed to answer a clues-

On clause 7,

Mr. MILLER, moved to add to the clause the following
words :—" With the exception of the said dues leviable by
the Trinity Corporation at the port of Leith, where such
dues shall cease to be levied as soon as provision shall have
been made by sufficient accumulated funds for all annuities,
pensions, and obligations which have been lawfully granted,
or in which a vested interest, absolute or contingent, has
been lawfully created before the 15th day of March, MI."
The hon.gentleman stated that such great objectionhad been
felt at the manner in which the Trinity Corporation dis-
posed of its funds that the people of Leith resisted the pay-
ment of the tax by force. The result was that the corpora-
tion was obliged to procure an Act of Parliament, which
was granted them for 20 years. The period happened to
expire about this time ; the community of Leith were
anxious that their case should bo an exception to the gene-
ral arrangement which the Board of Trade had made with
the Trinity Corporation. The clause was drawn up on
liberal terms, and he hoped it would be agreed to.
Mr. GIBSON resisted the proposal, which, after a short
discussion, was withdrawn.
The clause was agreed to.
Clauses 8 and 9 were also agreed to.
On clause 10,
Mr. LINDSAY proposed to substitute " 1867" for 1872.
'I he first duty cf the house was to keep down taxation, and
they would be neglecting their duty if they allowed the
parties to receive half a million of compensation before they
were entitled to it.
Mr. lIORSFALL said it was a fallacy to suppose that
nnYthing was given to any parties which was not already
Mr. BEAUMONT said the differential dues levied at
Newcastle were secured not only by Acts of Parliament,
but by grants made centuries ago, and he could see no
gr rand for stopping them without compensation. Ten years
was a very moderate period to fix for that purpose.
After a few words from Mr. nonosox and Mr. DUNLOP,
Mr. Alderman SALOMON said his constituency were
only interested in this questioll 413 taxpayers, and ho should

tion put by an hon. and pallant member opposite with respect
to the Lord-Lieutenant of Ireland. The question is what

are the relations betweei thelord.lieutenant and the govern-

went, and whether lord Carlisle Intends to continue
in the performance of Lis duties in Dublin. Without going
into the question of the Galway contract, I may say that the
relations between the word-Lieutenant and the Government

BIRTHS.

are the relations fixed by law and by usage, that the rela-
tions actually existing between Lord Carlisle and her Majes-
ty's Ministers are of tne best possible description, and that
I have no reason for supposing that my noble friend is not
1.1 illing to continue h s valuable public services. (A laugh.)
Mr. BENTINCK believed that the expenditure of a
large sum upon these forts without any better information
than was at present possessed would be a waste of money.
Captain Cole's opinion was shared by nearly all the expe-
rienced members of the profession, and the two reports
which had issued from the commission were entirely con-
tradictory. On the question of annoyance from smoke, he

CHARLES WORTH.—On the 19th inst., at Limpsfield Rec-
tory, tho wife of the Rev. Samuel Charlesworth, of a
son.

ConA.N.—On the 20th inst., at Dunsland, Devon the wife
of W. H. Cohan],
ESC', of a daughter.
,
TRAVERS.—On the 19th inst., at Cheatn, Surrey, the wife
of Otho W. Travers, Esq., of a daughter.

MARRIAGES.
UMFREVXLLE—WiLsorr—On the 20th inst.,
at St. George's,
Hanover-squ.are, Ken Umfreville, Rsq., of Ingress Ab•
bey, Greenlnthe. t, to Anna daughter of Francis
Wilson, Esq., of Swanscombe.
CLOWES—WIGRAm.—On the 13th at the parish
church, Danbury, Essex, George Gooch Clowes, Major
Bth Hussars, youngest soh of Lieut.-Colonel Clowes, late
3d Dragoons, of Brottghton Old Ilall, Lancashire, to
Susan Caroline Wigrana eldest daughter of the Lord
Bishop of Rochester.

Mr. FORTESCUE said this question was considered by
he Government of Lord Derby, who came to a decision

against it. Her Alajesky's Government had not given any
consideration to the subject.

THE GALWAY CONTRACT.
Colonel FRENCH asked the hon. member for Galway if
he was prepared to nominate the members of the select

believed a ship would have the advantage over a fort, be
cause a ship moved out of her own smoke, which the other

did not.

committee on the Galway contract.
Mr. GREGORY said he had been quite ready for several
days to name the committee; and if his hon, and gallant
friend wished to know the reason why the committee had
not been nominated, he begged to refer him to the Secre-
tary of the Treasury. He begged to say that he would nomi-
nate the committee that evening, and if they could not come
to terms as to the names, he should apply to give hon.
members whose names would be a guarantee for impar-
tiality and intelligence, and ask them to serve on the com-
mittee, together with himself and the Secretary of the
Treasury. He should nominate those five gentlemen, and
take the sense of the house on each name on Monday next.

Sir H. VERNEY said ho had heard naval men declare
repeatedly that if tie buoys were removed from Spithead no
fleet—not even tlke English—could enter the harbour.
(Hear, hear.) If it were true that there was no limit to the

EVA
1c8.6"- DEATHS.
Ca On the 18th inst., at Vichy, Anna Maria, wife of
.Dptaill Gustavus Evans, R.N., of 24, Lansdown-place,
-uriddon, aged 57.
R 1 G.—On the 20th inst., at Victoria Villa, Stoke New-
ington, Mr. Thomas John King, of tho Stock Exchange,
aged 59.
Rov.—On the Ist inst., at Montague House, Brook-green,
Hammersmith, Daniel Thomas Roy, Esq., aged 58.
SPIERS.—On the 19th inst., at St. Leonard's-on .Sea, Chas.
Spiers, Esq., of Amhurst-road, Hackney, and Spital-
square, aged 67.

power of artillery, he thought it would be much better to

build the forts, Lt upon the sandbanks, but nearer to the

shore.

Mr. T. G. BARING thought the fair way to put the
question was this :—lf a foreign commander had his choice,

Would he rather have the forts to show him the way into

Spithead or not ? (" Hear, hear," and a laugh.) A naval

officer who was reckoned one of the ablest surveyors afloat

said that with a simple chart he could pilot a fleet iota Spit-
head during the greatest fog which was ever known in the
Channel. With regard to the apprehended inconvenience
from spoke in the easel:Rated forts, experiments showed that
no difficulty of that kind need be feared ; and he might
algO state that a tender had actually been received for the
conaNctio gf MO of the bolts; at a price less than ITaa

_ , - • -
TUDWAY.—On the 19th inst., at Wells, Somerset, Frances
Gould Tudway, relict of the late 3. P. Tudway, Esq 7
111. P. for Wells, aged 79.

THE HIBERNIA.
Mr. HENNESSY asked the Secretary to the Admiralty
whether the Messrs. Palmer of Newcastle-on-Tyne, the
builders of the %hernia—which was pronounced unsea-
wiggly by the Admiralty before making a voyage—Wm'

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