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London, England, 1861-05-28 00:00:00

PARLIAMENTARY DIVISION.

HOUSE OF COMMONS—MAY 27.
CUSTOMS AND INLAND REVENUE BILL.
Order for committee read; motion made, and question put,
" That it be an instruction to the committee that they
have power to divide the bill so that each of the taxes
to which it relates may be separately treated." The
house divided ; ayes 34, noes 195.

AYES-34.
Adderley, C. B. - Ingestre, Viscount Selwyn, C. J.
Arbuthnott, Gen.H. Johnson, Captain Somes, Joseph
Ball, E. Jolliffe, Sir W. Spooner, R.
Bentiuck, G. W. P. Kelly, Sir F. Stanhope, J. B.
Bruen, Henry Kennard, R. Stracey, Sir H.
Cochrane, A. D. Leighton, Sir B. 'Thynne, Lord H.
Du Cane, Chas. Macdonogh, F. Watlington, J. W.
Duncombe, A. Malins, IL, Way, Arthur E.
Du Pre, C. G. Mundy, William
Edwards, Major H. Phillips, G. L.
Grogan, Sir Edward Powys, L. P.
Haliburton,!Justice Ridley, Sir M. W. Newdegate, C. N.
Hunt, G. W. Salt, Thomas Barrow, W. H.

TELLERS.

NOES, 195.

Abercromby, R. W Fortescue, Hon. D. Nicol, William
Adair, H. E. Fortescue, C. S. Norris, J. T.
Adeane, H. J. Freeland, H. W. North, F.
Alcock, 'l'. Gibson, T. M. Ogilvy, Sir J.
Atherton, W. Gilpin, C. Packe, G. H.
Ayrton, A. S. Gladstone, W. E. Paget, C.
Bagwell, J. Glyn, G. C. Paget, Lord C. E.
Baring, Sir F. Glyn G G 1,,,....c0tnr0, Viart
13..44.,,rct A A. Goldsmid, Sir F. Paull, H.
Baxter, W. E. Gordon, C. W. Paxton, Sir J.
Bazley, Thomas Gower, F. L. Peel, F.
Bellew, R. M. Graham, Sir J. R. G. Pilking,ton,'James
Beuyon, R. Greene, Capt. J. Pinney, Wm.
Bethell, Sir R. Greenwood, J. Portman" W. H. B.
Biggs, John Gregson, S. Pryse, Capt. E. L.
Black, Adam Grey, Rt. Hu. Sir G. Pugh, D. (Carmar.)
Blencowe, J. G. Gurdon, B. Puller,C. W.
Bonham-Carter, J. Hadfield, Geo. Ramsden, Sir J. W.
Bouverie, E. P. Hankey, Thomson Repton, G. W. J.
Bouverie, P. P. Harcourt, G. G. V. Ricardo, 0.
Bridges, Sir 8., Bt. Hayter, Sir Wm. Robertson, D.
Bright, J. Headlam, Thos. E Roebuck, J. A.
Bristow, A. Heathcote, Sir W. Rothschild,BaronL.
Browne, Lord J. T. Heneage, G. Rothschild,Baron M
Bruce, H. A. Hervey, Lord A Russell, Lord J.
Buller, J. W. Hodgkinson, G. Russell, A. J. E.
Bury, Viscount Hodgson, K. D. Scully, V.
Butler, C. S. Hodgson, R. Seymour, H. D.
Buxton, C. Horsiali T. B. Shelley, Sir J. V.
Calthorpe, F. 11. Horsmb.nt E. Sheridan, R. B.
Cardwell,ltt. Hn. E. Howard, Hon. C. Sheridan, H. B.!
Castlerosse, Vist. Howard, Lord E. G. Shirley, E. P.
Cavendish, Hon. W. Ingham, R. Sibthorp, Major
Cavenclish, Lord G. Johnstone, Sir J. Slaney, R. A.
Childers, H. C. E. Kekewich, S. Smith, J. B.
Clay, James Kershaw, J. Smith, M. T.
Clifford, C. C. King, Hon. L. Smyth, Col.
Clive, George King, J. K. Smollett, P.
Close, M. C. Kinglake, Serj. J. Stansfeld, J.
Cobden, R. Kingscote, Lt.-Col. Steel, John
Colebrooke, Sir T.E. Kinnaird, Hon. A. Talbot, C. R. M.
Collier, R. P. Langston, J. H. Thornhill, W. P.
Coningliam, Wm. Langton, H. G. 'rite, Wm.
Cowper, Hon. W.F. Lawson, W. Tollemache, Ilon.F.
Craufurd, E. H. J Lee, W. Tomline, G.
Crawford, R. W. Legh, G. C. Trelawny, Sir J. S.
Crossley, Frank Lewis, Sir G.C., Bt. Vandeleur, Col.
Dalglish, Robert Lindsay, W. S. Verney, Sir Harry
Dent, John Dent Locke, John Villiers, Rt. Hon. C.
Dillwyn, Lewis L. Lowe, Rt. Hon.R. Walpole, S. 11.
Dodson, John G. Lytton, Sir E. B. Walter, John
Douglas, Sir C. Mackinnon,W.(Eye. Warner, Edward
Dunbar, Sir Wrn. McMahon, P. Wemyss, J.
Dundas, Sir David Mainwaring, T. Westhead, B.
East, Sir J. B. Martin, P. W. Whitbread, S.
Egerton, Sir P. Martin, J. White, Jas.
Egerton, E. C. Massey, W. N. Wickham, H. W.
Enfield, Viscount Matheson, A. Willcox, B. M.
Ennis, Jehn Mellor, John Winnington, Sir T.
Evans, Sir Do L. l!dildmay, H. Wood, Rt Hn. Sir C.
Ewing, H. E. C. Miller, William Woods, Henry
Ferguson, R. Milnes, R. M. Wrightson, W. B.
Finlay, A. S. Moffatt, George Wyvill, M.
Foljambe, F. J. S. Monsell, Rt. George
W. TELLERS.
Forster, W. E. Monson, W. J. Brand, H. B.
Foster, W. 0. Morris, D. Knatehbull-Hugest

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

HOUSE OF LORDS—YESTERDAY.
The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat on the woolsack
at 5 o'clock.

ROMAN CATHOLICS IN WORKHOUSES.
The. Marquis of NORMANBY presented a petition,
complaining of the treatment of Roman Catholics in work-
houses, and gave notice that he should ask the noble lord
the President of the Council whether the Government in-
tended to introduce any bill to remedy the evil during the
present session, on the next occasion that he presented
similar petitions.

'PRIVATE BUSINESS.
Hemsworth's Estate, Newgate and Metropolitan Meat
and Poultry Market, South Yorkshire Railway (Keadby
Extension) bills were read a second time.

The Huddersfield Gas, Berwick, Norham, and Island-
shire Roads, and Midland Railway (New Lines) hills were
read a third time and passed.
OFFENCES 1N SIERRA LEONE BILL.

On the motion for going into committee on this bill,

Lord BROUGHAM said. he did not rise to oppose this
bill, which was one that would work a great improvement,
but to complain of the atrocious conduct of Spain in increas-
ing the slave trade, notwithstanding the large sums of
money that had been paid to her as compensation. It
had been said that the Spanish Government did not
intend to re-introduce slavery into St. Domin-
go, because the fertility of the country rendered

it unnecessary. St. Domingo was not more fertile than
Cuba, and he must say he did not knew what was intended
by %he Spanish Government. Perhaps they intended to put
down the slave trade when they received a sum of money to
do so. The new acquisitions of Spain were such as not to
give him any very great confidence in her intentions.
The house then went into committee on this bill, and the
whole of the clauses were agreed to without amendment.
Their lordships then adjourned.

HOUSE OF COMMONS—YESTERDAY.
The SPEA.XER took the chair at four o'clock.

PRIVATE BUSINESS.
The Lords' amendments to the following bills were con-

sidered and agreed to :—Baggymoor Drainage, Kilkenny
Market, Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway (Branches to
Shawforth, &c.), Llantrissant and Taff Vale Junction

Railway, and Rydo Water Bill.

The following bills were read a third time and passed :
Airedale Drainage; Darlington Local Board of Health;
Dartmouth and Torbay Railway (Queen's consent, on be-
half of the Crown, to be signified) ; East India Irrigation
and Canal Company (No. 2) ; Galashiels and Peebles
Railway; London and North Western, Lancaster and
Carlisle, and Caledonian Railways ; Northampton Water ;
North Eastern Railway (Castleton and Grosmont Branch,
&c.) ; Thames Haven Dock (Abandonment) and Uxbridge
and Rickmansworth Railway.
The following bills were considered and ordered for third
reading :—Clifton suspension Bridge, Dublin Corporation
Watt'', Edinburgh and Glasgow Railway, New Ross Port

and Harbour, South-Eastern Railway (Folkestone Har-
bour, &c.), Uxbridge Gas, and Stockport District Water.

The Blackburn Water Bill and the Dunblane, Doune,
and Callander Railway Bill were read a second time.

PETITIONS.
Several petitions were presented against the repeal of the

paper duty, in favour of the abolition of the duty on tea and
sugar, against the appointment of Roman Catholic chap-
lains in workhouses, in favour of legalising marriage with

a deceased wife's sister, in favour of adopting means for pro-
moting the growth of cotton in India, &c.

JERSEY COURT BILL.
On the motion Of Mr. Sergeant PIGOTT, this bill was

read a first time.

INLAND AND CUSTOMS REVENUE BILL.—THE
REPEAL OF THE PAPER DUTY.
On the motion that the house do resolve itself into com-
mittee on this bill,

Mr. NE WDEGATE said he begged to draw the atten-

tion of the house to the following motion, of which he had
given notice, and which was on the paper :—" That
whereas the embodiment of the principal financial pro-
posals of the Government in one bill unduly increases tho

power of the Government over the taxation of this
country and tho interests affected thereby, limits ineonve-
nientl3 the action of this house, and would annul the well
ascertained function and privilege of the House of Lords,
it be an instruction to the committee to divide the Customs
and Inland Revenue Bill, so that each of the taxes to
which it relates may be separately treated." As an
independent member of the house, he felt bound to
put forward his motion in the terms which he used in order
to express fully the opinions he entertained on the ques-
tion. He did not, however, propose to pledge the house to
the adoption of the abstract proposition which his motion
enunciated, but at the same time he adhered in conviction
to the opinion which he expressed in the proposition. He
trusted he would not be considered as presumptuous in
being actuated by a desire to dictate to the house the course
to be adopted, and his only object was to secure to the
country what he regarded as a considerable benefit in refe-
ronce to the retention of the impost, which it was so in-
judiciously proposed to abolish. (Hear.) The specified
proposition he would subfuit to the house was, " That it bo
uu mbt, uetten to the committee to divide tho Customs and
Inland Revenue Bill, so that each of the taxes to which it
relates may be separately treated." He contended that the
mode of proceeding adopted by the Chancellor of theExehe-
quer in regard to this bill was a dangerous innovation, and
violated the spirit of the constitution by curtailing the func-
tions and privileges of the other house, which the reso-
lution to which hon. members of the House of Commons
agreed last session fully recognised. He denied that there
was any precedent for the course which had been pursued
in respect to this bill, and he referred to the period when
Mr. Pitt was Prime Minister to show that the circumstances

which had been relied on in reference to what then occurred
respecting the financial policy pursued by the House
of Commons was not applicable to the present emergency.
Re called on the house in the most impressive; terms
not to lay down a precedent which conferred on the repre-
sentatives of the Crown a power in regard to taxation which
might be used in the most dangerous way to the liberties
of the country. He argued that no such privileges as were
claimed by the Government in respect to this bill were
ever conceded to the Executive, and he warned the
house of the perilous course that was being followed
by the Government. The form in which this bill was pre-
cented to the house was a mere stratagem, and if persisted
in it might be found that the Lords would also have re •

course to stratagem to preserve their rights without raising
the extreme issue that it was endeavoured to force on them.
He contended also that the practice to which the Govern-
ment proposed to resort would have the effect of abridging
tho time for the consideration of financial measures, and
that the repeal of the paper duty was not popular in the
country. (Hear, hear.)
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said the
manner in which the house had acted in regard to the mo-
tion of the hon. member, as shown by its silence, was a
proof that hon. members considered this question had
already been fully discussed. He denied that by the plan
of procedure which the Government had adopted there
would be any curtailment of the due consideration of finan-
cial measures, for by tne forms of the house ample oppor-
tunities were afforded for discussing every detail of finance
at the different stages through which the budget had to
pass. The right hon. gentleman argued that the hon.
member (Mr. Newdegate) had adduced no argument to
make the Government alter the course upon which they
had entered, and was calling on members to adopt a mode
of proceeding that was at variance with the principles of
the constitution and the practice of Parliament.
Mr. SPOONER, in seconding the amendment of Mr.
Mr. Newdegate, urged upon the house the necessity of
acting with the greatest caution in respect to the issue
raised with regard to this subject.

Mr. HORSMAN felt called on to oppose the amendment
of the hon, member, although he appro ed of much of
what he said. lie thought the time had passed for raising
the issue contained in the amendment, and the form
of the amendment would not effect the object contemplated
by the hon. member (Mr. Newdegate). He did not think,
therefore, that any benefit would result from further dis-
cussion on the amendment.
Mr. NEWDEGATE replied.
Mr. KNIGHTLEY made some statements explanatory
of the course be pursued in reference to the subject.
The house then divided—
For the amendment 34
Against _ 195

Majority against
The motion was therefore lost, and the Speaker left the
chair.

On clause 2, which relates to the income tax,
Sir W. JOLLIFFE said that on the re?ort he would call
attention to an excise regulation which had been introduced
last year, and which he should be able to show had greatly
added to the hardship and injustice that were inherent in
the collection of income tax. He hoped that at the eleventh
hour such modifications would be introduced into the taxa-
tion of the year as would enable the Chancellor of the Ex-
chequer to remedy the evil, of which he should have at a
future stage to complain.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER observed
that the course which the right hon. gentleman propofsedrote.
take was one that would involve great irregularitye
the right
ceeding, and great inconvenience. He supposeda of
hon. gentleman was alluding to the quarterly collection
stage
at
the tax. If he was, then the present was the
arn proper
e
him that it
which to discuss the question; but bew
and he could
was one of two millions and a half of revenue;
hon. gentleman would
not conceive by what art the right
lus
of £450,000. No doubt
carve that sum out of a
veryting on the income tax ; and
no
oeimportant one, and one
"1:t under the cognisance, not
only
extremely fit to be brought
of committee that might
hear parties
of the house, but
doubtrthere was
thea select
subjectcommittee ° a sitting
conversant with the subject,
aand able to say whether
half-
yearly
or quarterly collection_ was more convenient to the
taxpayer. Last year the change was really equivalent to a
considerable addition of taxation within the year; but that
inconvenience had now been wholly surmounted, and to
recur to the former practice would therefore involve the
surrender of a considerable amount of the year's revenue.
The house had given an income tax of 9d., of which three-
fotifithfißould bo ollectcd is odditicA ti) 9110 quarter vZlast