The Sun.
London, England, 1857-07-02 00:00:00

I shoull not like to guess in so serious a matter.
if the deceased, when attacked by symptoms of
arydnic,l pois,,ning, vomited a great d..al, and
n larqe qutiltitie,, it would depend, on the
mode of administration whether a quantity would
bo carried off. If givt-n with solid food, and in a
solid mate, a great port on of the arsenic would
be ejected from the stomach if all that food
were vomited ; but if the arsenic were stirred up
with a liquid, and thereby thrown into a state. of
mechanical suspension, I would not expect that so
considerable a portion should be ejected by vomit-
ing. By solid food I mean bread and the like. In
the case of the arsenic being t iken in a fluid, I could
not say what proportion -might be ejected. I shi•uld
not he surprised to find that as much had been
ejected as remained. Judging from what I found
on the examination of the b ,dy tie dose of arsenic
must have been of very unusual size. There are
cases on rec ,rd in which very large quintitjes of
arsenic have be-n found in the stomach and intes-
tines.

I know this as a ma',fer of reading. There
are examples of larger qoantitits being found than
in the present. I there think is A case in which 2
drachm-1 were found—that is, 120 grains. That is
the largest quant ty which occurs to my mind at
tl,i4 moment as having been found. The cases in
which a very large quantity of arsenic was ftiund
did not turn out-to be cas-s of intentional murder

,yr a third party. In the cases to which I refer, the
arsenic was taken by the party voluntarily, with
the iiitenti,n to commit suicide. It would be very
difficult to give a large di, se of arsenic in a liquid ;
by a large dose of arsenic you exclude many vehi-
cles in which arsenic might be admitted. Nothing
which I found in my investig:ton indicated the
time when the arsenic must have been taken. The
ordinary period that elapses between the adminis-
tering of this poison and the symptoms being mani-
fested is eight or ten hours in the cases on record ;
that 'is the extreme time ; there are some cases:
which show themselves in less than half-an-honr ;
we have cases in which death has resulted in a few
hours, and vises in which death has been delayed
for two or three. days. As to the arsenic obta;ned
from Currie's shop, the greater part of the colour-
ing matter might be removed. by dexterous mani-
pulation ; if you were to throw water in the arsenic
and agitate the two by this, and after the arsenic
has subsided, you tnrow off the liquor, a portion of
co`ouring matter is thrown off ; but it you keep
the vessel shaken in a earticular way you may
coax the greater part of the colouring matter away,
Murdoch's arsenic was coloured with carbonaceous
matter ;it hadtheyd, ur of coal soot. I cannot

tell from examination whether the arsenic found
is administered in one dose or in several. It
would he very dangerous to use areenic externally
in any way. Thera are cas,-s in which it has been.
applied'to the entire or whole skin, and in which .
the symptoms of poisoning have,, been produced • "
—vomiting, pain, but not death. In one case it
Was rubbed-on the head, I think ; 'but I don't re-
member V e case. From the remembrance of
general reading, my impression is that it produces
eruption of the soued skin. If cold water were
used. I should not like to wash. in such water my-
self. You cannot give me any ether answer ? No,
I cannot.
By the Lord Justice-Clerk—There are cases
in which inflammation of the intestines, has been
produced by ex' ernal application of arsenic".
By the Dean—Arsenic is not an instant poison ;
it is absorbed into the blood, I presume with great
great rapidity, and through the blood it reaches all
the organs in which we find it.
By the Lord Advocate.—ln administering
large doses of arsenic rainy vehicles are secluded e
cocoa or coffee is a vehicle in which a large &se
might be given; there is a great difference between
giving rise to Su,picion and actual detection ; I
have found, by actual experiment, that when thirty
or foiey grains of arsenic are put into a cup of
warm chocolate, a lirge portion of the arsenic
at ttles down in the bottom of the cup, and I think
a pe, sou drinking such poisonous chocolate would'---
suspect something when the gritty particles came
into his mouth ; but if the same quantity, and even
a larger quantity was boded with the chocolate,
instead of merely being stirred or mixed, none
of it settles down. I could not separate the
sort by washing from Murdoch's arsenic ; but -
a very large quant ty of it might be separated.
Suppose a person the subject of repeated doses of
arsenic, 1 have no evidence on which to form an
opinion whether the last dose would be fatal more
rapidly. I delivered to Dr. Chi isteson some of the
arsenic I got at Currie and Murdoch's.. .
By the Dean—ln case of chocolate being boiled
with arsenic in it, a la, ger proportion dissolveS and
does not subside. This is what I find to be the
case feom actual experiment. Coffee or tea could..
not be made the vehicle of a large dose of arsenic.
By. the Lord Justice-Clerk—The period in which.
the arsenic produces its effect varies in different in-
dividuals, and according to the Mode of adminis-
trarioh. Pain in the stomach is one of the first
symptoms, and vomiting usually accompanies the- •
pain, but it may be very severe before vomiting'
actually hegius. Ten, fifteen, or twenty grains
might be given in coffee.
The Lord Justice-Clerk—CertainlY, Dr. Penney,,
more satisfactory, lucid, or distinct evidence, I
never heard.
Aniad6e Thuot deposed to being with deceased _
on one tcca-ion when he tapped at a window near
Blythswood-square to hand in a letter. He aftere
wards pointed out the window to a policeman. He
understood him to have secret correspondence
with a lady.
Augnste Vanvente de Mean, Chancellor to the
Frencri Consul in Glasgow, knew of L'Angeher's
intimacy with Mi:s Serial. Soma weeks b. fore his
death witnessi dd deceased of a report that she was.;
to be married to some one else. L'Angelier said
that must be false, but that he had documents in
his possessi. in which would at leattforbid the banns.
He sew Miss Smith shor ly after deceased's death;
when she denied having seen L'Augelier on the Sun-
day evening. He questioned her about the letter re-
ceived by deceased at Bridge of Allan, on account
of which he had come.home, and asked her how she
could'explain it, she g engaged to another mane'
e said she 'had made the appointment for Satur-
day evening, which he did not keep, and her purpoie
in wri,iug to him was to try to get back her letters.:
In cross-examination witness stated that deceased ,
had once become suddenly sick atter taking a long:
walk him him at Helensburgh ; that. he had spoken'
of having had cholera • that het was in the habit of
taking laudanum, and bad once had a conversation:
with witness as to the probability of taking arsenic
without dangerous results.
The Court adjourned till next morning (this day.),

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