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defects of the system was that the stringent character of
the trust deeds made it too exclusive ; but if that was an
evil it was brought about by the Privy Council causing it to
be suspected that they wanted to introduce what were known
as the teneeience clauses. The chief portion of the educa-
tional movement dad been set about by the religious feeling
of the country, and the parties having that feeling, whe-
ther it be right or wrong, would not allow themselves to he
interfered with. If any attempt was made in that direc-
tiori It would make them still mode exNeive. Within the
last few years all' jealousy upon this subject had passed
away, and he thevforel2nped the Government would not,
take any step which the'effect of -blowing up a
flitme, and thus they woirld-get -ariew into all the trouble
frOna which they had escaped. - Gentlemen of the Estab-
lished Church looked upon the children in their schools as
placed in their spiritual trust, and Government would never
be able to•make them, by Act of .Parliament, give up their
religious convictions. The hon. gentleman the member for
Berks had raised a question with great force and great
truth, namely, the extent of the education under the cog-
nisance of the Government inspectors. He did not think
the Privy Council had to do with more than one-third of
the present number of children at school. If there had been
that increase of population since the census of 1851 which it
was reasonable to expect, there would be 2,400,000 children
in school, but in the schools under Government inspection
there were not more than 800,000. (Hear.) There was a vast
number of schools which did not want aid from Government,
or, if they wanted it, would not receive it if any strain was
put upon their consciences. He should oppose any measure
which should interfere with men going to heaven their own
way, and teaching the children whatever religion they
chose. With regard to the expense, he thought that in-
curred upon the training • of pupil teachers was one
which ought to be strictly watched, and might in a
short time cease altogether, for in the general education of
the country they would, without going to such expense for
it, get a supply of teachers fully equal to the demand. In-
deed, he doubted greatly if those whom they now educated
for teachers really became schoolmasters and schoolmis-
tresses after all.
After a few words from Mr. Puller, Mr. Hadfield, and
Mr. D. Robertson,
Sir S. NORTHCOTE said it had been truly stated that
the vote before them was founded not so much on estimates
as minutes, or rather conjectures of what might be sane
tioned by the Privy Council. Some time ago the com-
mittee was really a committee of the Privy Council, at
which the Treasury was represented by the First Lord and
the Chancellor of the Exchequer; but since the appoint-
ment of the Vice President for Education neither the First
Lord nor the Chancellor of the Exchequer had anything
more to do with it. It would be very desirable, therefore,
to come to adopt some system which would have the effect
of keeping down the amount, and of submitting to the
Treasury the propositions of the committee before they were
passed into minutes ; their financial effect would thus be
particularly challenged, and perhaps modified.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER rose for
.the purpose of echoing hi 3 hon. friend in what he had said ;
for at the time he referred to the votes of the house were
administered under a committee of six or seven members
,of the Cabinet, the Treasury being represented by the First
Lord and the Chancellor of the Exchequer; so that the
members of the committee had to pass under the view of
those who were responsible for the financial department.
Since the important change which now prevailed was made,
the members did not go near the Treasury at all, and he did
not think the house were apprised or comprehended that
such would be the consequences of this change when it was
introduced.. It well deserved the attention of the Govern-
ment, because it was not prudent nor convenient that a
document forming, in fact, a standing contract with the
country, should take effect and raise expectations when it
had never been sanctioned.
Mr. LOWE said, with regard to the pupil teachers, as
to whom a question was asked, about 12 per cent. did not
complete their course of education; and of the 87 per cent.
remaining, 76 per cent. became schoolmasters; and he was
not able to say what became of the others, but very proba-
bly the rest of them became schoolmasters. With regard to
the commission about which the tight hon. member for
Droitwich put a question, he knew nothing, nor when they
might be able to report. What the hon. member who had
moved this amendment proposed was, to reduce the vote by
£lOO,OOO ; but as the expenditure did not depend on esti-
mates but on the minutes, the effect of it would be that next
year he would have to ask for £lOO,OOO more to meet the
deficit occasioned by this amendment.
Mr. HENLEY said that this was a very awful state of
things. The Chancellor of the Exchequer had told them
that he had no control over these votes, and now it appeared
that the house had none. That was rather awful. (A
laugh.)
Mr. HADFIELD withdrew his amendment, and the
vote was agreed to.
The CHAIRMAN reported progress, and the house
resumed.
The report of the committee of ways and means was
brought up and agreed to, and a bill was ordered to be
brought in, founded on the resolutions.
The Boundaries (Ireland) Bill was read a second time.
The Westminster New Bridge Bill went through com-
mittee.
The Local Government Supplemental Bill was read a
second time.
The Bankruptcy and Insolvency (Ireland) Act Amend-
ment Bill was read a third time and passed.
The Consolidation Fund (E 7,000,000) Bill went through
committee.
MEDICAL ACT AMENDMENT BILL.

On the motion for the second reading of this bill,
Sir E. GROGAN urged its postponement.
Mr. WHITESIDE objected to postpone it.
The house then divided.
For the second reading
Against

Majority for the second reading .. 101
The bill was then read a second time.
PAWNBROKERS BILL.

This bill passed through committee.
UNIVERSITIES (SCOTLAND) BILL.
This bill also passed through committee.
DIPLOMATIC PENSIONS BILL.

This bill was read a third time and passed.
POOR LAW BOARDS (PAYMENT OF DEBT) BILL
This bill was referred to a select committee.
NORWICH ELECTION PETITIONS.
Mr. E. JAMES moved that it be an instruction to the
General Committee of Elections to suspend their proceedings
in the matter of the petition of the electors of the city and
county of the city of Norwich, which was presented upon
the 17th of June lalt, against the return of Mr. H. W.
Schneider and Viscount Bury, until the examiner of recog-
nisances had reported on three other petitions subsequently
presented to the house against the return of Viscount Bury,
and which subsequent petitions related to the same election
as the petition presented against the return of Mr. W. H.
Schneider and Viscount Bury on the 17th of June last.
Sir F. BARING said that, as a member of the mommit-
tee, it was his duty to state that they came to the conclusion
that they had not power by law to do what the hon. and
learned gentleman proposed. If the committee had made a
mistake in the decision they had come to, they would be
glad to be set right, but they believed their decision was
correct.
Sir G. GREY asked the house not to interfere at all.
Their jurisdiction in this respect was limited by the act of
Parliament, and they could really come to no decisionupon
the question before them.
The motion was negatived without a division. '
SUPPLY.

' Lord PALMERSTON said the Government proposed to
go on with the estimates on Monday morning at 12 o'clock.
COUNTY POLICE.

Mr. CLIVE obtained leave to bring in a bill to amend
the law concerning the police in counties and boroughs in
England and Wales. _ _ _

The bill was subsequently brought, in and read a third
time.

THE QUEEN'S REMEMBRANCER.

Sir G. C. LEWIS •btained leave to bring in a bill to
amend the law relative to the office of the Queen's Remem-
brancer, and the bill was brought in and read a first time.
The house adjourned at half-past one to 12 o'clock on
Monday.

ASSIZE INTELLIGENCE.

MIDLAND ICHICUIir.Lcii-NOTTIjcCiIIAM, JULY 22,.

CROWN COURT.
(Before Chief Justice Erie.),
Daniel Gilpin Thackeray, surgeon, surrendered
to take his trial upon an indictment charging him
with the manslaughter of Eliza Connor. He was
also charged on the coroner's inquisition.
Mr. Boden and Mr. Huish conducted the prose-
cution; Mr. O'Brien and Mr. Manson defended the
pr soner.
The charge imputed that the prisoner had caused
the death of the deceased by nzalpraxis, as surgeon,
and the facts of the case were briefly these :
The prisoner, a surgeon in large practice among
the po9rer class of people in Radford, a suburb of
Nottingham._ was, •in _the afternoon of Monday,
April 117,called_ to attend Eliza Connor the deceased,
who was expecting to be delivered of her first child,
having bun in labour from the previous .Sunday
night. Sir. ThaClieray arrived about 3in the after-
noon, and remained about half an hour; he returned
again between 9 and 10 at night, and expressed an
opinion that she was getting on nicely, and made
an endeavour to assist her in the ordinary manner.
The deceased was very restless, and intreated Mr..
Thackeray to assist her; he used every endeavour
to soothe and encourage her, remaining with her
until 4 in the morning, together with several female
relatives of the patient, who ,vere acting as nurses.
He then went out for a short time, his house being
near, and returned, having changed his trousers,
and bringing instruments with him, which he
shortly afterwards made use of, using the usual
preliminaries in preparing them, and calling on the
women who were present to assist him with the
light, and in holding the patient. One of these
assistants fell sick and was obliged to retire, and
Mr. Thackeray made use of the instruments, not,
as was alleged on his part, with a view to
affect an immediate deiivery, but to change the
posture of the child, so as to assist the natural
birth. After this, while sitting on a light cane
chair, he fell upon the floor with the instru-
ments in his hand, and Mrs. Elliott, the deceased's
sister, charged him with being drunk. He denied
that he was so, and rose without any assistance,
desired 'Mrs. Elliott' to get the deceased into the
bed, and in half an hour's time to let her have a
cup of tea. He then went down stairs, remarked
to John Connor, deceased's husband, that his patient
was going on very nicely, but that the child would
not be born alive ; he took a cup of tea, and
covered over the instruments with a handkerchief.
He left at six o'clock in the morning,'and returned
at two o'clock, remarking that his patient was going
on nicely, and desired Mrs. Elliott to come up to
his place, and he would give her something. Two
visits having been made to Mr. Thackeray's sur-
gery, and he being away, another medical m m, Dr.
Wilson, was sent for, who having been told that
Dr. Thackeray wished him to attend to the ease,
called on the Tuesday night and found Eliza Con-
nor in labour, and in the course of two hours she
was naturally delivered of a stillborn child: Upon
his arrival Dr. Wilson noticed that a portion of the
substance of the wall of the vagina bad been
lacerated, and it appeared that this must have been
caused by the instruments applied by the prisoner.