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,r.) We expected *, ••,.
e ' you we __awe brought in a Refnine,_ ,
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but not a word was said about it. (I-1 :he -PC- 4:
You have refused to give an explanatio 'ot
point, my lord, arid your majority will sou boihefA 4- '
Et
a minority. Look at the elections throughoutgle ri
country. The people have deserted the Whigs: I - .S
ask you, -my lord, once more, why you did not bring
forward a Reform Bill, and whether you intend to
bring forward one this session. (Hear, hear.)
Lord PALMEItSTON, who was again cheered, re.
plied,—l am glad to see people of all kinds and of
all opinions, and, among curiosities, among rarities,
which are always matters of amusement, I have
great pleasure in seeing my friend Mr. Rowcliffe.
Now, I am sorrow that my friend Mr. Rowcliffe
entertains so bad an opinion of the members of the
House of Commons, for what must he think of those
who sent them there ? (Hear, hear, and laughter.)
lie says there are not 100 honest men in the Honso
of Commons. (Laughter.) Well, 100 honest men
are a very good allowance in any number of netyle,
a
and, if working steadily together, they may do
great deal. But my friend Mr. Rowcliffe says
nothing would go right unless he was in the House
of Commons. (Laughter.) Well, I advise him to
try—(continued laughter)--and if he will allow me
to give him a bit of advice, not at all intending it
to be personal, I should say the further off the
place which he tried to represent, and the less he
was known there, the better would be his chance
of succeeding. (Shouts of laughter.) Pray under-
stand me. Ido not mean any imputation upon his
personal character, because I am sure that if he were
in the House of Commons there would be 101 honest
men there. (Laughter.) But what I mean is that
my friend Mr. Rowcliffe has peculiar and fantastic
notions of things in general, which, if I understand
rightly the character and opinions of the British
people, the less they are. known, the better they
would be liked. (Continued laughter.) He has
put certain questions to me; he has asked me why
I said nothing about home affairs. Why, I dealt
with home affairs upon the principle that they say
charity begins at home, and my speech began at
home, and began with home affairs ; but what I
stated was rather of a consolatory character, and
the temper of my friend Mr. Rowcliffe'& mind is •
not to be consoled, but to be dissatisfied. (Great
laughter.) He did not like my speech because I
said something good of what Parliament had
done, and because I said that, all thinks con-,
sidered, though we bad had two bad seasons,
the country was not so badly off as it might
have been made in our legislation. lam sorry
that those topics are not to the mind of my friend
Mr. Rowcliffe. (Laughter.) He asked me a
pointed question. He asked why did the Go-
vernment of which I am a member not fulfil
its pledge to bring in a Reform Bill. He an.
swered that question himself. He said we had
brought in a Reform Bill, and that we were obliged
to withdraw it. I might, therefore, rest upon his
own answer, upon his own question. Did he like
our Reform Bill of last year ? He has not told us
that. I presume he did from the regret which he
expressed at its failure. And why did it fail ?
Because the House of Commons were not disposed
to accept it, and because the constituents of the
country at large did not urge upon their members
to accept it; because the objections to it came from.
the Liberal side almost as much as from the Oppo-
sition side, and some of those who were most ad-
verse to it were representatives of great communities -
-of Edinburgh, for instance, of. Salford, and other
places. It was absurd to go on pressing a Bill
which the experience of several months had shown
us Parliament was not in a temper to receive ; and
the silence of the country since has shown that the
'conduct of their members was not found fault with
by the, electors who sent them to the House of
Commons. (Hear, hear.) My friend asked me
why we did not renew that Bill this year. 'tits-,
because we were not geese—(laughter)—because,
having seen that the House of Commons was not
disposed in the first year of its existence to pass a
Bill which would have insured an early dissolution,
we thought it was not wise, not profitable, not;
useful in the second year of its existence, to repeat
a measure which had been decidedly not agreeable
to the taste either of the house or of its electors.
Mr. Rowcliffe may think we were wrong ; I main-
tain that we were right, and I think that the
manifestation of public opinion shows that the
country sides with us, and not with Mr. Rowcliffe.
(Laughter.) But we have not had a sufficient
regard to economy. My friend says we ought to
have reduced all unnecessary places, I tell him
there was none to reduce. All sinecures have been
abolished. Places now are places with duties
attached to them, and with salaries not greater
than the labours of the offices require. (Hear,
hear.) My friend Mr. Rowcliffe speaks in
the simplicity of his heart, with a total igno-
rance of the matters which he is discuss-
ing (laughter), and that is a most advanta-
geous position for a person to stand in who addresses
a large audience (laughter), because he draws upon
his fancy for his facts, and upon his imagination for
his arguments. (Loud laughter.) But, gentlemen,
I suppose he means that we ought to have reduced
the army and the navy, because they are the great
sources of national expenditure. I wish he would
ask those gallant volunteers whether they wish to
see the army reduced. (Cries of " No, no.") I wish
he would ask the multitude of persons whom I now
see before me whether they think the country is too
much protected ? (".No, no.") We have heard of
complaints against protection in the shape of duties
and customs upon the importation of articles; hut
the protection against the importation of a foreigp
force, I believe, is very much to the taste of the
people of this country. (Hear. hear, and laughter.)
1 I ave we too large a navy ? Why, we are urged in
the House of Commons to increase our iron. ships ;
and I am sure that our iron ships ought to be in-
creased, because they are not at present upon a par
with the iron fleet of other countries, especially of
our neighbouring country on the other side of the
Channel. (Hear, hear.) But if we are not to
diminish our army and navy, I shouldli'.te my friend
to state where it is that he would produce such a
great reduction of expenditnre. Would he wish to
cut off the supplies that go to the education of the
the poorer classes? Would he wish to continue the
reign of ignorance in the country ? (Laughter.)
It is said that in the kingdom of the blind the one:
eyed man is a king. Perhaps Mr. Rowcliffe wishes
to be Sovereign in the land of ignorance ; he is only
half enlightened, and therefore he might be quali-
fied. (Laughter.) I believe I have now answered
his questions, but I will state that though the Go-
vernment thought it right not to interpose and
retard the general legislation of the country by in-
troducing again a Reform Bill, still certain ardent
reformers haveon their own aecour.t introduced bills.
Mr. Locke King introduced a bill to extend the
county franchise, and Mr. Baines has a bill to extend
the borough franchise. When the debate on Mr.
Locke King's came, the Government thought they
were no parties to the Bill, because they thought
it was unwise to bring in, nevertheless voted for it.
It is true that we were then in that minority which
Mr. Rowcliffe so much regrets ; and which, if he
had been in the House, no doubt would have been
greater by one (laughter), unless any speech which
he made in favour of the measure might have turned
more people against him than his own vote for it
was worth. (Continued laughter.) We voted for
that Bill, and there was a majority of 28 against
us. We shall in all probability vote for Mr.
Baines's sill. (Hear,-hear.) Whatever the result
of that division may be it is not for me to say, but
it is clear to my observation that the House of
Commons is as little inclined this year to pass any
great measure of organic change as it was in the
Session of last year. I believe I have now answer-
ed most of the questions put by Mr. Rowcliffe.
(Applause.)
His Lordship then retired, but almost imme-
diately afterwards came forward and proposed a
vote of thanks to the Mayor. which was carried by
acclamation, and the proceedings then terminated.
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