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' ported the measure, voting for no religion at all. (Divide, divide.)
Sir J. TRELAWNY replied, and the house divided
when there appeared—
For the second reading..
Against it
.... 136
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Sir J. SHELLEY thought that none of those locomo-
tives should be allowed to run on turnpike roads with-
out the permission of the Board of Works. He thought the
streets of the metropolis were quite unsuited to running• of
these enormous carriages. The hon. and learned member
had given up the amendment he had given notice of, but
he should take it up, and he therefore moved an amend-
ment to the effect that none of the locomotives shall
run within the limits of the metropolis without
a license for that purpose being first obtained
from the Metropolitan Board of Works, with such condi-
tions in the license as may be deemed necessary for the
public safety and convenience, and any person running
locomotives without such license shall be liable on convic-
tion to a penalty not exceeding £5.
Mr. GARNETT said the clause in the bill as it stands
had the satisfaction of the Lord Mayor of London, and he
therefore thought the amendment was altogether un-
necessary.
Sir J. SHELLEY said the consent of the Lord Mayor
only extended to a very small part of the metropolis,
whereas that of the Metropolitan Board of Works had
power over the whole.
Mr. GRIFFITH moved an amendment to the proposi-
tion of the hon. baronet who had just resumed his seat as
follows—" nor within the limits of any municipal or parlia-
mentary borough, without a license for the purpose being
first obtained from the mayor and town council under their
common seal."

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Mr. W. PATTEN said the greatest difficulty would
arise if every town council was allowed the privilege of
legislating in the same manner as that house. Some coun-
cils would give consent and the other refusals, and the
greatest inconvenience would arise. He thought the real
qu,stion that ought to be discussed was whether these loco-
motives should run on common roads at all.
Mr. SYDNEY thought great inconvenience would arise
from the running of these locomotives in the metropolis.
He need not mention the crowded state of the roads in
Shoreditch or High-street, Southwark, to show how great
would be the confusion by the appearance of these great
locomotives in that part of the metropolis. He lived in tha
part of the metropolis monopolised by one of those tram-
roads—that running to Bayswater—and the result was that
one half of that broad thoroughfare was completely mono-
polised by the carriages on that tramway.
Mr. ESTCOURT objected to increasing the difficulties
of traffic in the metropolis. No one now could travel in a
carriage along the lines occupied by the tramway without
getting the wheels of the carriage in great danger.
Sir G. LEWIS said he thought the clause as it stood
was sufficient; but he did not think there could be any
objection to the proposed amendment of the hon. baronet
the member for Westminster as tar as the metropolis was
concerned. With respect to the provincial towns, if it was
thought proper to empower the Home Office to make regu-
lations, he would carry out the regulations to the best of
his judgment.
After a short discussion the committee divided on Mr.
Griffith's amendment, when there appeared—
For the amendment
Against it
Majority —7l
The Usher of the Black Rod here summoned the Speaker
to the House of Peers to hear the royal assent given to
several bills, for which see Lords' report.
On the return of the Speaker, the house divided on Sir
J. Shelley's amendment to clause 11 of the Locomotive
Bill, when there appeared—
For the amendment.
Against it
Majority.. —lB
Clauses 12 and 13 were agreed to.
On clause 14,
Col. FRENCH moved an amendment to the effect that
Ireland be exempted from the operation of the bill.
The amendment was negatived without a division.
The preamble was then agreed to, and the bill was re-
ported with amendments.
The house then resumed.
INDICTABLE OFFENCES (METROPOLITAN
DISTRICTS) BILL.
The second reading of this bill was postponed until the
3d of July.
ANNOYANCE TO JURORS (WESTMINSTER)
BILL.
This bill, as amended, was considered, and ordered to be
read a third time.

CRIMINAL PROCEEDINGS OATH RELIEF
BILL.
_

On the motion for goingijoCommittee on this bill,
Mr. M'MAHON objected to the consideration of this
bill, as it was precisely similar to that which had been dis-
posed of two or three hours ago. Re concluded by moving
that the house go into committee that day three months.
Mr. LOCKE said that what he proposed to do for Eng-
land in this bill was already the law in Ireland, and for
the hon. and learned gentleman not to be aware of that
fact appeared to him most extraordinary. The sole object
of his bill was to extend the practice of making affirma-
tions to criminal cases as it at present existed with respect
to civil cases.

The
l SOLICITOR-GENERAL said his objection was
one of degree. It arose from the circumstance that many
witness as would be tempted to tell a lie without there was
the fear of an indictment for perjury for doing so.
Mr. CRAWFOTJ) said if there was so much objection
on the part of the Solicitor-Goneral to what was the law in
Ireland, he wanted to know why a bill for the practice in
that country was not brought in by the hon. and learned
gentleman.

Tho hon. member addressed the house up to a quarter to
six at which hour the debate terminated in accordance with
the standinp; orders.

INDUSTRIAL SCHOOLS (SCOTLAND) BILL.

This bill was read a second time.
The other orders of the day were then disposed of, and
the house adjourned.

PARLIAMENTARY DIVISION.

HOUSE OF COMMONS JUNE 12.
AFFIRMATIONS BILL.
Order read for resuming adjourned debate on amendment
proposed to question, " That the bill be now read a second
time," and which amendment was, to leave out the word
"now," and at to end of the question to add the words
"upon this day six months." Question again proposed,
" That the word 'now' stand p•irt of the question." The
house divided—Ayes, 66; Noes, 136.

AVE 9 - 66.
Adair, H. E. Finlay, A. S. Pease, H.
Adam,W. P. Forster, W. E. Pigott, Francis
Agnew, Sir A. French, Fitzstephen Roebuck, J. A.
Ayrton, A. S. Goldsmid, Sir F. Scholefieid, W.
Baines, E. Greene, Capt. J. Scott, Sir W.
Baring, Thos. Geo. Gurney, Samuel Seymour, H. D.
Baxter,...W. E. Hadfield, Geo. Shelley, Sir J. V.
Bazley; Thomas Hankey, Thomson Sheridan, R. B.
Berkeley, IL Heygate, W. U Smith, J. B.
Bristow, A. Jervoise, Sir J. Stacpoole, W.
Butler, C. S. Kershaw, J. Stansfeld, J.
Caird, James Langton, 11. G. Talbot, C. R. M.
Clay, James Lanigan, J. Tollemache, Hon.F.
Cobden, It. Lawson, W. Waldron, L.
Corbally, M. E. Leatham, E. Warner, Edward
Davey, R. Locke, John Watkins, J. L. V.
Davie, SirH. It. F. Maguire, J. F. Western, T. S.
Denman, G. Mellor, John Westhead, B.
Dodson, John G. Miller, William White, Jas.
Douglas, Sir C. Mills, T. Williams, W.
Dunlop, A. Monson, W. J. TELLERS.
Ennis, John Ogilvy, Sir J. Trelawny, Sir J. S.
Ewing, H. E. C. Paget, C. Dillwyn, Lewis L.