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London, England, 1859-09-09 00:00:00

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The Trafalgar, 90, screw, Capt. iiii_.!
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leave Spithead this day for Portland,-kith-pievrs
sions and other stores for thn use of the red.
Twelve gunboats from the steam reserve at Ports-
mouth are ordered to begot ready, with iheir arma-
ment, &c., on board, by the 10th inst. It is in-
tended to take them outside the harbour-for exer-
cising certain manceuvres, firing pradtice, kc.
Mr. F, Newton has joined the Bacchante, 51,
screw, at Portsmouth, as chlpf engineer ; 'Mr. R.
Cooke has joined . the' Penelrpe, 22, paddle, vice
Newton.

PRICE 0. STAMPED, 51).

that if they already knew the eausq, they would
have taken some measures for the purpose of re•
moving them, and of giving to the people of India a
more satisfactory government for the future; but
what have they done ? Why, just nothing at all.
They have merely done, as it were, what a man does
when he takes something out of one pocket and
puts it into another, or does any other trick of
sleight of hand whichl you might fancy was a real
fact, and after all was nothing but a bit of conjur-
ing. What is it they have done ? They have abo-
lished the East India Company in name as governors
of India, and they have constituted the Queen of
England monarch and ruler of 200 millions of
people whom she has never seen in Asia, but the
real Government of India still presides in a council
composed almost exactly of the very same men who
formed the Council or the Directory of the late East
India Company. Instead of its being presided over
by one of its own members it is *presided over by a
Secretary of State. During last year Lord Stanley
presided over that Council, and at the present mo-
ment a countryman of yours, Sir C. Wood, presides
over it, but with that Single difference,l give you my
word for it, I cannot discover in the men, in the
measures, in the policy, or in the intentions, any
single change whatsoever in the government of that
great empire. (Hear, hear.) And so I presume it
will go on until some great revolt—some other great
catastrophe. Parliament still slumbers on, and
when another great earthquake conies, if it. be an
earthquake heavy enough to shake them wide
awake, you may have an improvement of the Go-
vernment of India ; but till then, or until the people
of England are thoroughly represented, and take
this question
,up, I fear there is small chance of
any real justice to the unfortunate population of
those•kingdonis: ' 'Now I wish to Say 'a 'senfehoe or
two upon another 'question—that -of our financial
condition in England. You are told that reform
would do nothing for you ; that you are perfectly
content ; that you never paid your taxes with so
much alacrity ; that, in point of fact, anybody who
comes to nudge and disturb you you look upon as
unwelcome visitor. You paid £65,000,000 last year,
and thilyear it will be X 70,000,000 in taxes. You
cannot reckon up that money. (" Hear, hear," and
laughter.) If all the people of Huddersfield were
to endeavour fairly to ascertain how much.it is, to
compass it and to comprehend it, from this to the
time when I shall next have the honour ofaddressing
you, which may be a long time, I will undertake to
say you would not be able at all to make out how
much the sum of 570,000,000 really is. (Laughter.)
Of this £70,000,000 you would suppose that in a
country like this, where there is such enormous
wealth, where land and houses taking the whole
area of the country, fetch a higher price than they
do in any other part of the world—you would sup-
pose that the privileged class, the propertied classes,
would be likely to pay a fair share of the public
burdens ; but if you come to look at the mode in
which these taxes are.raised you will find that pro-
bably there is not £15,000,000 out of the £70,000,000,
and I am sure there is not £20,000,000, nor any-
thing near it, which is raised directly from pro-
perty of any kind ; that the great bull.: of the taxes
were levied upon articles which Pre consumed by
all the people of the country, and that
comfort,
incomet , pays
i h a
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every working man. good employment,
With fair wages and a moderate amount of
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, bTPrTelmieuveeh, dolaragneyr
of
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more upon
his
Powerriul population of the kingdom. (Hear,
hear.) At your Custom-houses at the different ports
they raise £24,000,000; by the Excise duties they
raise £18,000,000 a year ; by the stamps (a great
portion of which are connected with trade) they
raise £8,000,000 a year ; on the Post-office they
raise snore than £3,000,000 a year, and. the only
taxes which can be said to year,
upon property
directly are the land-tax and the income-tax and
the legacy and probate duties. With regard to
these last duties, land and houses do not pay more
than one third, I believe not more than one-fourth,
of that which is paid by all other descriptions of
property in the country. Well, this is not to be
wondered at. You cannot expect it to be otherwise.
No man ever flagellated himself or punished or laid
burdens upon himself with a hearty goodwill when
he had the opportunity of laying them upon some-
body else. (Hear, and laughter.) 'sou have a Go-
vernment with all the power of an absolute Govern-
ment, but without the responsibility of an absolute
Government. Yoahave a Government which consists
of about 400 great, some of them rich, all of them
titled families, and they are assisted and buttressed
up by all the untitled •territorial possessors through-
out the United Kingdom. They rule you, and they
tax you, and tbcy spend your taxes freely. (Hear,
and laughter.) Now, I have not the slightest ani-
mosity against these people. (Hear.) I like them
to be in their own, but their own place is not, to my
thinking, governing without my consent—(laugh-
ter)—nor governing you without your consent. Let
them have, then, fair play in the country. Let every
man, be his blood as old as, I was going to say
Adam, but then the blood of all of us would be as
old as that, and I suppose, like old wine, it may be
kept too old—(laughter) ; but let their blood be cs
old as is the beast of those who came over here with
William the Conqueror, let them have fair play in
the country, but let everybody else have fair play
also. I do not find among this class any pre-emi-
nence either in art or literature, in industry, or in
commerce, or in the science of legislation, or in the
practice of administration. I never met with a lord
or a man of title, or a man of family, or a man of
" blood," or a man boasting of his ancestry, but I
could match him in any'of his qualities to which I
have refer. ed—(laughter and cheers) ; but notwith-
standing this that class has ruled us for 170 years,
and the time in my opinion, not of their final extinc-
tion, but the time when they will be reduced to a
participation iith the whole people of the country
in the government of the country, I hope is rapidly
drawing nigh. What has been the general result—
and with this I shall conclude my speech—of the
legislation and the administration of your govern-
ing class for 170 years ? When they took hold of
government your national debt was a mere nothing
—not more than £500,000 or £600,000. They have
raised it to the :sum of nearly £Boo,ooo,ooo—a sum
exceeding in amount, I believe, all the other na-
tional debts of all the other kingdoms of the globe.
Your taxation is greater—much greater than that
of any other nation of equal number in the world.
You have had, I believe, since that time more years
of warfare than any other nation in the world pre-
tending to be civilised and Christian has expe-
rienced; and at the same time you have a larger
percentage of your population without any visible
property than is to be found in any other Christian
nation of the globe. Well, until anybody can over-
throw these assertions, and can prove that I state
what is not true, I ask you, can any man say that
this has been a wise, and just, and paternal, and
moral government of this great and important king-
dom ? (Hear, hear.) Look at your vast industry;
look at your hours of labour ; look at the wonder-
ful productiveness of your industry. All this which
you have done has enabled you to bear these vast
burdens, but in consequence of these burdens, of
this bad legislation, and this mal-administration,
you, the people of England, althougn your condi-
tion of late has been greatly improving, you are
not in the enjoyment of the results of your indus-
try to anything like the extent you would have
have been if you had had for 170 years a Govern-
ment that could fairly claim to be just and econo-
mical in the expenditure of the resources of the 2
country. (Hear, hear.) Well now, what do I ask .
Injustice to anybody ? No, not the least. I have
nevershown myself, as it is termed, the were dema-
gogue who panders to the cry of ignorant pre-
judiced multitude—(hear)—agai an
nst his own light
errors of the
free to withstand what I felt were the
ready to withstand and to
people, as I am now
the
condemn the errors and the injustice of Govern-
mentpeoplegoverned—
unless ; but I say that if the .
and knowledge and conscience. I have been as
o'en our rulers flatter us by telling us that we
are—if the people governed, instead of a class, the
nation and humanity would gain. It is for this, and
we are less virtuous and less intelligent than
this alone, that we demand a better • and a free re-
presentation. We believe it would be the highest
wisdom, looking a little ahead, for our governing
class to concede it, and we are as convinced as we
are of our own existence, that the permanent power,
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welfare, peace, and grandeur of this nation depend
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statesmen of all parties, render the present a favour-
able time for the settlement of the reform question,
and in the opinion of this meeting it will be the duty
of all shades of sincere and earnest reformers
to
unite in assisting to carry the best bill which it
may. appear practicable to obtain in the ensuing
session of Parliament."
The motion was carried, and the proceedings con-
cluded about 10 o'clock with votes of thanks to the
speakers and chairman.

Two powerful dredging machines have been fitted
out. at Portsmouth dockyard for service at Malta.
They will shortly prodeed to their destination.
The Sphinx, G; .paddle, commenced masting in the
steam basin at rafsinotifli yesterday.
On the 2d of September her Majesty's ships
Princess Royal, Renown, Conqueror, and Centu-
rion steamed out of Malta harbour in a fresh breeze,
to cruise off the island, making room for Rear-
Admiral Mundy's squadron, which was hourly ex-
pected, to complete coals, water, and provisions.
The Azoff, built at Malta during the Crimean war
for a gunboat, took her second. trial trip. She is
now fitted by the Admiral-Superintendent of Malta
as his yacht.
Her Majesty's steam gunboat Wanderer, Com-
mander Pechell, now refitting at Malta, is to pro-
ceed to Zante sor Patras for currants for the
victualling department, and .not the Kertch, sister
vessel to the Azoff, _as ivas_intended.
The Marlborough, with the flag of Vice-Admiral
Fanshawe; remains at Malt!, to Meet Rear-Admiral
Mundy.
The screw steamship Windsor Castle, 116,'got up
steam on Wednesday, under charge of Commander
Richard S. Risk, and proceedectthrough Plymouth
Sound to the measured mile outside the breakwater.
This distance was covered six times with a mean
result of above 11 knots. The engines, of 500
horse-power, nominal, are by Messrs. Penn and
Son, of Greenwich ; revolution 681, steam 201 b.,.
vacuum 26. The Windsor Caste drew forward 18
feet 8 inches; aft, 21 feet 10—iiiciies; she steered
well, and her engines appeared to be in very good
oaler.

Henry Gabsley, *gunner of the Alarm, 26, was
tried by court-martial, on board the flagship Im-
pregnable, on Wednesday, for. drunkenness. He
was sentenced to be reduced to a third-class gunner,
and to be ineligible for'promotion for five years.
The Channel fleet left Torbay at 11 o'clock on
Wednesday morning.
Yesterday the three-gun battery, to sweep the
entrance of Weymouth harbour, was completed ;
the Royal Engineers have commenced erecting a
50-gun battery, which when complete will be
mounted with Armstrong's long-range guns. The
works for the protection of this part Of the coast
are progressing rapidly.
A second court of inquiry on Lieut. Blair and the
23 survivors of the crew of her Majesty's ship
Heron, which capsized off the coast of, -Africa, is
ordered to be held on board her Majesty's ship
Victory, at POrtsrnouth.
The hired transport Violet, laden with returned
shot, shell, and other military stores, has arrived at
Woolwich from Gibraltar, and has commenced dis-
chargink at the Royal Arsenal. The War Depart-
ment has engaged the following transports to ship
military stores from Woolwich :—The St. Katha-
rine, the Viceroy, the Herald, the Sir Allan M'Nab,
the Bedouin, the Chanticleer,' the AScendant, and
the Dependent. •
Her Majesty's screw steam frigate Ariadne, in
the fitting basin at Woolwich, is under orders to
go down the river ion the engineer's trial trip on
Monday next, in . 'command of Mr. Hall,. R.N.,
master, of the receiving ship Fisgard.
The Clio, steam corvette, on her trial of the 7th
inst., averaged 11 knots—no hot bearings, no
priming. The trial was highly satisfactory to the
superintending officers on behalf of the dockyard
authorities.'
Lieut. Henry L. Holder has been appointed to
the Edgar.