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London, England, 1861-03-06 00:00:00

result will be the presentation of a report which it will be
impossible to carry into effect. The recommendations of
the committee will be rejected, and you will break the
hearts of many officers. Such are the reasons which induce
me to entreat the house not to agree to the motion now be.
fore us. (Rear, hear.)

Lord J. MANNERS, who rose amid cries of" Divide,"
said that the very excited speech which the house had just
heard from hh, noble friend rendered it necessary that some
remarks should be made upon it. He had listened with
the greatest surprise to the declaration made by his noble
friend of his views on the subject of ex-Ministerial respon-
sibility. According to that declaration it would seem that
any hon. gentleman who had ever been in office was bound
in all time coming to hold his tongue whenever any piesticat
was brought before tine house affecting the particular de-
partment with which he had been connected. (Hear, hear,
and a laugh.) Remembering what the conduct and lan-
guage of his noble friend ha d been before he entered upon
office, he could only hope tha: his noble friend would not
act in his own case upon the principles which he had laid
down to-night. When his noble friend was out of office
there was no man more outspoken or more severe in his
,_nomments upon the management of the Admiralty, and he
trubled a:0 house was not to understand that if ever his
noble friend should chance to be out of office his tongue
was to be hermo tieally sealed. (Cheers and laughter.) His
noble friend had aeßed the house whether it was prepared to
sanction an increased expenditure of £50,000 or £60,000 a
year upon the navy. He thought that if the house appointed
a committee of inquiry, and if that committee found that
injustice was done to the officers of the navy, the house
would not hesitate to rectify that injustice, even though it
were to cost £50,000 or £60,000 a-year. (Hear, hear.) The
noble lord had himself acknowledged that the officers of the
navy were underpaid, and that their position was in many
respects undeserved.
Lord C. PAGET—I said nothing about their position.
simply expressed the opinion that they were underpaid.
Lord J. MANNERS accepted the language of his noble
friend that tie officers of the navy were underpaid. When
a Secretary of the Admiralty made a statement of that
kind ho had no right to resist inquiry. His noble friend
might, without inconsistency, have risen in his place, and
upon the declaration that the officers of the navy were not
underpaid, and that their claims were not well founded,
have called upon the house to reject the motion of the hon.
and gellant member for Portsmouth ; but since he had
chosen, as a naval officer and as a responsible member of
the Governme:it, to admit all that had been said in favour
of that motion, Le had no right to throw any obstacle in
the way of its adopi.ion. (Hear.)
Lord PALMERSTON—The noble lord has totally mis-
represented the argument of my noble friend. (Hear.)
What my noble frier d said was, that he was sorry to see a
distinguished member of this house like the right hon.
baronet opposite, who had occupied the responsible situation
of First Lord of the Admiralty—not having, when in office,
carried into operation the opinions he now proclaims—wait-
ing till he was out of office in order to express them strongly„
and knowing, as ho must do, that unless those opinions;
were shared by those who have the power to carry them
out, he was running the risk of creating dissatisfaction in
the service, which it was desirable to avoid. (Hear.) My
noble friend stated that in his opinion the officers of the
navy were underpaid. I should be disposed to generalize
that assertion, and I should not be going too far if I were
to say that all the services of the country were underpaid.
(Cheers.) I awl convinced that if you were to measure sim-
ply the revrards .allotted in this country to public servants
by the services pe,rformed and the merits of the officers„
you might go throujh the army and the navy and the civil'
service, and you would find that all had claims to an in -
crease of pay. You n2ight appoint a committee and go
ents of the country to see whether
through all the establis.hm,
each officer and each cler.k received as much as the generosity
oposed to allow him if the funds
n.
of the country would be
b„-:. every department. This
would permit it; the result 71ould be a great increase in
the expenditure of the country
motion is confined to the navy, belt you could not confine
the principle to that service only. You must extend it to
the army, and if you extend it to the army you must in
justice extend it to the civil service. I w ould, therefore,
warn the house against going blindfold into an inquiry of
which they cannot foresee the consequences. (Near, hear.)
Sir J. ELPHINSTONE pointed out that the pay of a
tidewaiter was just that of a commander in the navy. (Hear.)
The house divided. The numbers were— '
For the motion
Against it
Majority —6
The committee was therefore agreed to amid loud oheers.
ITALIAN AFFAIRS.
Mr. B. COCHRANE moved for copies of the despatch
containing the instructions alluded to by Mr. Elliot, in his
despatch of the 18th day of September, which commences
with the following words :—" In consequence of your lord-
,l ship's desire it became necessary for me to consider the best
manner of seeing General Garibaldi ;" and of the de-
spatches of Admiral Mundy subsequent to the departure of
Mr. Elliot from Naples.
Mr. CARDNYELL moved the nomination of the Select
Committee on Poor Relief (Ireland) :—Mr. Cardwell, Lord
Naas Mt. Herbert, ir,ord Claude Hamilton, Mr. Monsell,
Sir Edward Grogan, Mr, Waldron, Mr. Quinn, Mr. Cogan,
Colonel Forde, Lord J. Biewne, Mr. Maguire, Mr. Gre-
gory, Mr. George, and Sir J. ,Amott.
Mr. BUTT moved theadjourvment of the debate. The
committee was almost exclusively a landlord's committee.
Mr. CARD WELL defended the constitution of the com-
mittee, the nomination of which, was ri ot3tponed till Thurs-
day.
The house adjourned at a quarter past one o'clock.

Mr. COLLIER paired for Mr. Dodson's motion- with Sir
G. BOWYER against it.

COUNTRY MARKETS.

LIVERPOOL-MARCH 6.

There was a fair attendance of both the town and.
country trade at this morning's market, and we had a good
busi,:ess in wheat of all descriptions, and flour, at very full
prices. pats and oatmeal were slow of sale. Barley and
peas little dea.t in. Indian corn at about the currencies of
last market day, with a dull sale. • Beans cheaper.