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shuffle. (Loud laughter.) We meat d that I
session you would have brought in a 1-I,efoi:m./3:
but not a word was said about it. (.11eart-l'hea
You have refused to give an explana li on on this
point, my lord, and your majority will soon become
a minority. Look at the elections thi .o ughout the
country. The people have deserted th .e Whigs. I
ask you, my lord, once more, why you , aid not bring
forward. a Reform Bill, and whether y ou intend to
pwliilLeideoh,r7da..:PeaeatLullifal
bring forward one this session. (Hear, hear.)
nya,
always
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all
.opinions, and, among curiosities, anio ng rarities,
great pleasure in seeing-1y friend Mr.. Rowcliffe.
Now, I am sorrow that my friend Mr. Rowcliffe
entertains so bad an opinion of the mem hers of the
House of Commons, for what must he think of those
who sent them there? (Hear, hear, anillaughter.)
He says there are not 100 honest men it i the House
of Commons. (Laughter.) Well, 100 honest men
i
are a very good allowance n any numb; ir of people,
and, if working
steadily t ogether, ,t hey may do a
great deal. But my friend Mr. ,Roeveliffe says
nothing would go right unless he was In the House
of Commons. (Laughter.) Well, I .ad.vise.him to
try-(continued laughter)—and if he ':ill allow me
to give him a bit of advice, not at all ;intending it
to be personal, I should say the further off the
place which he tried to represent, and. the less he
was known there, the better would be his chance
of succeeding. (Shouts of laughter.)
..Pray under-
stand me. Ido not mean any imputation upon his
personal character, because I am sure that if he were
in the House of Commonsthere would be 101 honest
men there. (Laughter.) But what I mean is that
my friend Mr. Rowcliffe has peculiar and fantastic
notions of things in general, which, if I understand
rightly the character and opinions of the British
people, the less they are known, the better they
would be liked. (Continued laughter.) He has
put certain questions to me; he has asked me why
I said nothing about home affairs. Why, I dealt
with home affairs upon the principle that they say
charity begins at home, and my speech began at
home, and began with home affairs ; but what I
stated was rather of a consolatory character, and
the temper of my friend Mr. Roweliffe's mind is
not to be consoled, but to be dissatisfied. (Great
laughter.) He did not like my speech because I
said something good of what Parliament had
done, and because I said that, all things con-
sidered, though we had had two had. seasons,
the e.euntry was 'ngt so badly .off," as- it might
have been made .in otif legislation.
.I 'am sorry
'that those topics arc not to the mind of my friend
Mr. Rowcliffe. (Laughter.) He asked me a
pointed question. He asked why did the -Go-
vernment of which I am -a member not fulfil

its pledge to bring in a. Reform Bill. He an•
swered that question himself. He said we had.
brought in a Reform Bill, and that ive were obliged
to, withdraw it. I nright,-therefore, rest upon his
own answer, upon his own question. Did he like
our Reform Bill of last year ? He has riot told us
that. I presume he did from the regret which he
expressed at its failure. And .why did it fail ?
Because the House of Commons were not disposed
to accept it, and because .the constituents of the

country at large did not urge upon their members
to accept it; because the objections to it came from

the Liberal side almost as much as from the Oppo-
sition side, and some of those who were most ad-

verse to it were representatives of great communities
—of Edinburgh, for instance, of Salford, and other

places. It was absurd to go on pressing a Bill
which the experience of several mouths had shown

us Parliament was not in atemper to receive ; and

the silence of the country since has shown that the

conduct of their members was not found fault with
by the electors who sent them to the House of
Commons. (Hear, hear.) My friend asked me
why we did not renew that Bill this year. Why,
because we were not aeese—(laughter)—because,
t' havino. seen that the House of Commons was not
disposed in the first year of its existence to pass a

Bill which would have insured an early dissolution,
we thought it was not wise, not profitable, not
useful in the second year of its existence, to repeat
a measure which had been decidedly not agreeable

to the taste either of the house or of its —electors.

Mr. Roweliffe may think we were wrong ; I main-
tain that we were right, and I think that the
manifestation of public opinion shows that the
country sides with us, and not with Mr. Rowcliffe.
(Laughter.) But we have not had a sufficient

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regard. to economy. My friend says we ought to
have reduced all unnecessary places, I tell him
there was none to reduce. All sinecures have been

abolished. Places now are places with duties

attached to them, and with salaries not greater
than the labours of the offices require. (Hear,
hear.) My friend Mr. Rowcliffe speaks in
the simplicity of his heart, with a total igno-

ance of the matters which he is discuss-
ing (laughter), and that is a most advanta-
geous position fora person to stand in who addresses

ti large, audience (laughter), because he draws upon
his fancy for his facts, and upon his imagination for
his arguments. (Loud laughter.) But, gentlemen,
I suppose he means that we ought to have reduced
the army and the navy, because they are the great
sources of national expenditure. I wish he would
ask those gallant volunteers whether they wish to
see the army reduced. (Cries of " No, no.") I wish
he would ask the multitude of persons whom I now
see befi--K# me whether they flip Ix. the country is ter6
much prc!tocted e No, no." ,We,have heard)f
comptprilllS akaixl4.lit.Ote ‘rolii.l the ahripe ofl
A -citstoirs
.u_yOn rupoita: kin ofz: artieles buy
the prof-Cato-1i a„ 71rett orta4liert,os44,fikraign,
force, I believe, is very much to the taste of
people of this country. (Hear, hear, and laughter.
Have we too large a navy ? Why, we are urged in
the House of Commons to increase our iron ships;
and I am sure that our iron ships ought to be in-
creased, because they are not at present upon a par
with the iron fleet of other countries, especially of
our neighbouring country on the other side of the
Channel. (Hear, hear.) But if we are not to
diminish our army and navy, I should lire my friend
to state where it is that he would produce such a
great reduction of expenditnre. Would he wish to
cut off the supplies that go to the education of the
the poorer classes? Would he wish to continue the
reign of ignorance in the country 9 (Laughter.)
It is said that in the kingdom of the blind the one-
eyed man is a king. Perhaps Mr. Rowcliffe wishes
to be Sovereign in the land of ignorance • he is only
half enlightened, and therefor., he might be quali-
fied. (Laughter.) I believe I haYe now answered
his questions, but I will state that though the Go-
vernment thought it right not to interpose and
retard the general legislation of the country by in-
troducing again a Reform Bill, still certain ardent
reformers haveon their own accouht introduced bills.
Mr. Locke King introduced a bill to extend the
county franchise, and Mr. Baines has a bill to extend
the borough franchise. When the debate on Mr.
Locke King's came, the Government thought they
were no parties to the Bill, because they thought
it was unwise to bring in, nevertheless voted for it.
It is true that we were then in that minority which
Mr. nowcliffe so much regrets ; and which, if he
had been in the House, no doubt would have been
greater by one (laughter), unless any speech which
he made in favour of the measure might have turned
more people against him than his own vote for it
was worth. (Continued laughter.) We voted for
that Bill, and there was a majority of 28 against
us. We shall in all probability vote for Mr.
Baines's Bill. (Hear, hear.) 'Whatever the result
of that division may be it is not for me to say, but
it is clear to my observation that the House of
Commons is as little inclined this year to pass any
great measure of organic change as it was in the
Session of last year. I believe I have now ans•iver-
ed most of the questions put by Mr. Rowcliffe.
(Applause.)
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then
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a
vote of thanks to the Mayor. which was carried by
acclamation, and the proceedings then terminated.

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