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we were going on in a most extravagant manner. He would
not call on the committee to divide upon this amendment,
but he would ask the committee to reduce the vote by
£200,000, on account of other items in connection with it.
We had six troop-ships, of which four had carried on all
the service between the Cape and China, while the other
two were available for occasional relief. It was clear, then,
that the Government did not want mere of those ships, and
if they did, they could be hired much more cheaply than
they could be retained as part of the permanent naval esta-
blishment of the country. He moved to reduce the vote by
£200,000 the cost of the two proposed transports.
Lord C. PAGET said he hoped the committee would not
agree to the amendment. (Opposition cheers.) The question
did not depend upon the comparison of cost which the hon.
member had made. Many of the old troop ships required
very extensive repairs, and new ships must be built to do
their work in the meanwhile. The Government had no
control over the rate of freight, or over the rate of wages,
and the hon. gentleman had no idea of the extent to which
these vessels were employed, or of the expense which would
be incurred in fitting up contract transports. It was abso-
lutely necessary to keep up the transport service, and he
hoped the committee would reject the amendment.
Mr. HENLEY thought the Government might use some
of the old frigates now unemployed, instead of spending
£200,000 for two new transports. The same money applied
to the construction of another iron-plated ship would be far
more useful.

Admiral DIINCOMBE supported the vote. As a member
of the Tre.nsport Committee, he denied it to be politic that
her Majesty's navy should be denuded of transports, and it
was very disadvantageous to employ frigates in the convey-
ance of troops.

Mr. J. EWART and Sir F. SMITH supported the amend.
ment.

Lord C. PAGET reminded the right hon, gentleman the
member for Oxfordshire that they could only use the old
frigates as transports, and they were all sailing vessels.
What they wanted was steam transports.
Mr. HENLEY replied that they had plenty of steamships
in reserve which could be employed as frigates in time of
peace, and while they were building iron-cased ships.
The committee then divided, when the numbers were—
For the amendment 6B
Against it
Majority...
The vote was then agreed to.
The next vote was £169,835 for new works, improve-
ments, and repairs in the yards.
Lord C. PAGET explained the necessity of this vote by
the fact, that at the present moment there was more acco-
modation for building ships in France, and more basins than
England had, and it was necessary therefore to increase and
improve their yards. If it, be the pleasure of the house the
Government had no objection to appoint a select committee
to consider the entire subject.
After some discussion, the Chairman reported progress,
and the house resumed.

The committee on the education of destitute children was
appointed,

The other orders of the day were then disposed of, and
the house adjourned at half-past oae o'clock.

PARLIAMENTARY DIVISION.

HOUSE OF COMMONS—JUNE 3.
THE NAVY ESTIMATES.
Motion made and question proposed, "That a sum, not
exceeding £3,489,477, be granted to her Majesty, to
defray the charges of naval stores, for the building, re-
pair, and outfit of the fleet, steam machinery, and ships
built by contract, which will come in course of payment
during the year ending on the 31st day of March, 1862."
Whereupon motion made and question put, "That the
item of £60,000, for the purchase of steam machinery
for two troop ships, be omitted from the proposed vote."
The committee divided—Ayes, 68 ; Noes, 85.

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AYER 65.
Anson, Capt. Dunne, Col. Paxton, Sir J.
Ayrton, A. S. Ewing, H. E. C. Peto, Sir M.
Baines, E. Finlay, A. S. Pilkington,James
Barnes, Thomas Forster, W. E. Pollard Urquhart W
Barttelot, Major Greene, Capt. J. Ponsonby, A.
Baxter, W. E. Groan, Sir Edward Russell, Sir Wm.
Bazley, Thomas Henley, J. Selater-Booth, G,
Blackburn, P. Hennessy, J. P. Seymour, Digby
Bridges, Sir 13., Bt. Heygate, W. U. , Smith, Sir F.
Brooks, R. Hill, Lord E. Somes, Joseph
Bruce, C. L. C. Hodgkinson, G. Stirling, Wm.
Buxton, C. Hornby, W. H. Stuart, Major W.
Caird, James Humberstone, P. S. Sykes, Col. W. H.
Childers, H. C. E. Kinnaird, Hon. A. Turner, J. A.
Coningham, Wm. Knatchbull, W Valetort, Lord
Crawford, R. W. Lewis, J. Harvey Verney, Sir Harry
Crossley, Frank Locke, John Westhead, B.
Cubitt, George McEvoy, E. Whalley, G. IT.
Dalglish, Robert Mackie, J. White, Jas.
Davey, R. Martin, P. W. Williams, W.
Dent, John Dent Moffatt, George
Dickson, Col. Monson, W. J. TELLERS.
Dodson, John G. Naas, Rt. Tin. Lord Lindsay, W. S.
Douglas, Sir C. Parker, Major W. Ewart, J. C.