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for churches and buildings of certain kinds, but I hold that
it is unfit fur street architecture in a town, and especially
in a case like this, where the buildings are of a different
character, and we want to combine external appearance with
internal arrangement. (Hear, hear.) Then Mr. Scott
brought me a plan which appeared to be Gothic in disguise,
with windows round the Ica; and afterwards he brought
me another, which appeared to be a mixture of Saracenic
and Byzantine. I said to him then, " Really, Mr. Scott,
you are quite capable of excelling in any style; do, for
heaven's sake, go and bring me something in the Italian
style." (Laughter.) He did, and it has been admired by
the best judges. Ido not myself pretend to be a judge of
the scientific merits of architecture, but it seems to me a
very beautiful plan, and one which combines great beauty
and ornament with moderation in expense, (Hear, hear.)
If we were to adopt the suggestion of my hon. friend, who
spoke of using different granites, different marbles, and
various kinds of encaustic work, the expense would
be very heavy. And it should be recollected that the
front to Parliament-street will be open, and the building
will be open towards the park ; but the Downing-street
side will be very little open, and the other side will not be
open at all, and therefore it would be a mere waste of
money to have highly ornamental buildings. (Hear,
hear.) Well, having done that, I determined that that
should be the style submitted for the approbation of the
house. The building is to comprise an India-offiee ; and my
right lion. friend the Secretary of State for India, who is
to build that portion out of the Indian funds, approves of
the plan last prepared by Mr. Scott. If we were to make
our part Gothic and he was to make his in the Italian style
I do not think we should add much to the beauty of the
whole. (" Hear, hear," and a laugh.) Without detaining
the house any longer I R ill only just answer the appeal
made to me personally by my hon. friend (Mr. Layard).
He had the kindness to give me credit for some amount of
common sense, thinking that I showed the possession of
that quality in going doing to Harrow to lay the first stone
of a Gothic building. (Laughter.) I admit that I did show
common sense in that. lam not fond of Gothic, but a plan
having been approved of for a Gothic library in harmony
with a Gothic chapel close to which it was to be placed—
(hear, hear)—l waived my objection to the style, and laid
tha first stone. I will now ask the noble lord and my hon.
friend to show some good sense now—(cheers and laugh-
ter)—to waive their preference for the Gothic, and agree to
lay the first stone of this building, and I am quite sure that
when they see the building rise they will have the same
feeling that I shall have when I see the Gothic building
rise—of great pleasure in having contributed to such a
work. (Loud cheers.)
The house then divided—

For Lord Eicho's motion 95
Against it . lBB

Majority
THE DANISH CLAIMS.

Mr. MACAULAY, who had a motion on the paper on
this subject, said that he should postpone it till Friday,
when he understood both the Attorney and Solicitor-Gene-
ra would be in the house.

SUPPLY.
The house then went into Committee of Supply,
On the vote for £30,000 being proposed for the erection
of the new Foreign Office.
Sir H. WILLOUGHBY wished to know whether that
sum was intended to cover the whole expense of the
building.
Mr. COWPER replied that the vote was a portion of
the general estimate. Tenders would be advertised for the
erection of the building, but it was impossible for him at
that moment to state any precise sum.
Lord R. CECIL asked the right hon. gentleman to name
a sum which he would give a guarantee not to exceed. See
what was done with regard to that house ; a certain sum'of
money was named, but the expense went on increasing year
after year until it increased from £700,000 to £2,500,000,
and not finished yet. He hoped, therefore, a certain amount
would be fixed, and then the Minister of the Crown would
be responsible that no more would be expended.
Mr. B. COCHRANE complained that no unity of design
was fixed on, because if that were so they might have an
exact sum. Various offices were to be erected, but they
could not judge of the expense of the whole until such a
plan was adopted.
Mr. A. SMITH thought the answer given by the right
hon. gentleman to the hon. baronet the member for Eve-
sham was clear and distinct. He said the expense would
be £30,000.
.Mr. COWPER replied that the hon. gentleman had
mistaken him. The entire estimated amount was £200,000
and the £30,000 was only for the expense of the year. The
plan adopted in the erection of the Houses of Parliament
was different from that which he proposed to follow. When
Sir Charles Barry was appointed architect there was no de-
tailed design agreed on, nor any contract entered into, and
so the house went on being altered and enlarged according
to subsequent designs and plans, and the expense of course
followed in proportion. In the present instance, however,
he had plans and estimates made upon which the contracts
should be founded, and if these contracts be increased then
the :responsibility would fall on the person who should
hold the office he had then the honour to fill.
Mr. B. OSBORNE reminded the committee that the
noble lord at the head of the Government, in the speech he
had just made, stated that the Secretary of State for India
wished an India house to bo commenced immediately. Now,
he wished to know whether this £30,000 was for the build-
ing of a new Colonial Office and an India House, as well as
a Foreign Office.
Mr. COWPER said that the vote now asked for was for
the Foreign Office alone.
Lord R. CECIL asked why some guarantee was not
given that the 'estimated sum should not be exceeded.
There was no use in naming a sum unless they had a
guarantee.
Sir G. C. LE WIS replied that the Government could
do no more than get an estimate of what the cost would be,
and give directions to the contractor not to exceed it. If
after that agreement they did so then the house could re
fuse to pay more than the stipulated sum.
Mr. WHITE did net think that answer at all satisfac-
tory. The estimate might be exceeded before the build-
ing was half finished, and then they would be told they
must go on or what was done was an entire loss.
Mr. PEASE asked the amount of the contract, and
'moved that the consideration of this vote be deferred.
Mr. COWPER could not tell what the amount would be.
The present estimate was founded on the plan adopted when
the noble lord opposite was commissioner. He thought the
house was bound to look well into this matter. They had
new got a Palladian Commissioner, and a very good one he
appeared to be ; but suppose he lost his office, what gua-
rantee had they what the expense of those buildings, like
that of the House of Commons, would amount to. He
speed with his hon. friend that it appeared desirable to post-
pone those particular estimates for a year. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. BLACK thought they ought to proceed in this matter
in the same calculating manner that a man would when he
was about to build a house fot himself; and to have plans
and estimates before them.

Mr. WILLIAMS wished to be informed what the ori-
ginal estimate for the building was.

Mr. COWPER, in reply, said £200,000.
Mr. CO NINGHAM must say that the plan did not ap-
pear to him to be satisfactory.

Mr. BALL thought they could not agree to such a course
as his hon. friend suggested with respect to the postpone-
ment of this vote. They had all agreed that the expense of
the building would be £200,000, and was it because of fear
of increased expenditure in the carrying out of the work
that they were now to be called upon to postpone the vote?
He thought the arguments adduced were not very logical,
and ho hoped the committee would agree to the vote, and
the more especially so, after the pledge the First Minister
had given them that the works should be carried out with a
strict attention to economy.
Lord J. RUSSELL said it was obvious that neither
the Government nor his right hon. friend the First Com-
missioner of Works could give any such pledges as some
hon. members required them to give in relation to the
proposed internal arrangements of the new Foreign-
office. In the ori4inal plan it was proposed that sitting
and sleeping apartments should be provided in the new Fo-
reign-effice for the Foreign Minister and his family, but, on
further consideration, that thought was given up, on the
ground that it was not desirable to incur increased expense
in the plans for such an object.
Mr. 11. SEYMOUR thought the House of Commons
should have the plans laid before them so that they might
seleet the best design. He denied that it was necessary
that an expenditure of £230,000 should be incurred for the
erection of a Foreign.office ; and many members who had
now loft the house thought that that sum would not only
be applied to the building of the Foreign-office, but to that

also of the Indian-office, and of another department, Whai

said the committee that sat on that subject, and to which
his hon. friend the member for Liskeard (Mr. Osborne)

drew attention a little time ago ? The very first thing they
said was that £90,000 would be sufficient for that purpose.
But according to the present plan a sum of £230,000 was
asked for. Mr. Pennethorne, who erected a beautiful
structure in Jermyn-street—a structure which every one
admired—offered to construct the Foreign-office for a sum
of £60,000 ; but his offer was not accepted, and:it was pro-

posed to give more than twice as much to Mr. Scott for his
plan. He did not think the House of Commons would be
performing their duty as guardians of the public purse un-

less they looked narrowly into those calculations. The
committee had a right to be critical on this subject, because
the Government, when trusted in former times in similar
matters, had led the country into expense far beyond what
the original plan and estimates were. He thought they
should not consent to the proposed vote until they saw the
plans before them, and the elevation, the internal arrange-
ments, and the ornamentation. Every one condemned the
plan of Mr. Scott, but the Government were bound hand
theandbest
foot to that gentleman. The committee were not taking
means of dealing with this matter. The most
solvedtg
con-
on indulging.
siderate and the best arrangement would be to pay Mr.
Scott for his trouble, and then take the best plan.
Lord PALMERSTON said if hon. members were re-
in criticisms on the Foreign-office
it would" €:ver be built at all. They knew that it was im-
possible
.the genius or ingenuity of man to invent or
construct ything that could not be criticised. With re-
gard to the elevation, he really thought that after the dis-
cussion that had taken plabe that had been decided upon,

and if the design was not as ornamental as other designs
appeared to be, it would, at least, be less expensive. With
respect to Mr. Pennethorne's building in Jermyn-street,
which had been referred to by the hon. gentleman, no doubt
it was very handsome ; but there was a great deal more orna-
ment about it than was exhibited in the Foreign-office plan.
His hon. friend also complained that he had not seen the
plan of the internal arrangements. Now, with regard to the
interior of the building, how could the House of Commons
give any such plan ? If a man was building a house he
knew what he wanted ; but the House of Commons was not
going to live in the Foreign-office ; and the Government
having informed Mr. Scott what the nature of the public
business was, and what kind of accommodation would be
required, he made his design accordingly. With regard to
the elevation, which his hon. friend had criticised and
thought not sufficiently handsome, he begged to say that he
thought that it was sufficiently handsome. But if they went
on in this way, from year to year, voting money for the
structure, they would save nothing, whereas by a contrary
course the sooner the building was finished the sooner there
would be a saving of expense. (Hear, hear.)
Lord R. CECIL begged to say that they would save by
delay. They had now no plan before them but that of Mr
Scott; but by delay they should know what the public said
and what the expense would be.
Mr. CONINGIIAM should like to know whether, when
the question was thrown open to competition, all the plans
submitted by the various artists had been duly considered.
He could not help saying that all the dissatisfaction that
prevailed on this subject was owing, in his opinion, to the
various plans not having been duly considered, and that
they were too hasty in their decision.
Mr. H. SEYMOUR, in explanation, said the noble lord
at the head of the Government misunderstood him with re-
spect to the ornamentation of the building. He did not
say there was too much ornament, on the contrary, he
thought there was too little in the design. The noble lord
had not answered a question which he had put to him,
namely, upon what ground it was, when Mr. Pennethorne
had expressed himself willing to construct the Foreign-
office for £60,000, the Government declined that offer, and
proposed to give Mr. Scott more than twice as much, not
for a better nor so desirable a design ? They had the
plans, and let them submit them to the contractors. He
thought, also, the plans ought to be lithographed, and if
that were done, and the contractors' opinians taken, they
would be able to see what the cost of the building would be.
Mr. BRISCOE complained that there was no ground
plan of the proposed building, and declared that he could
not give his vote for the required sum in the absence of
further information. There was not one member of the
house wbo had expressed himself entirely favourable to the
plans of the structure. There ought to be a model of the
building prepared, and he hoped the house would not pro-
ceed hastily with so important a matter.
Mr. PEASE said that he should not press his motion
after the expression of opinion which had taken place, and
he would, therefore, with the consent of the committee,
withdraw his amendment; but he felt convinced that in
raising the objection he had done his course was a cor-
rect one.
Sir H. WILLOUGHBY protested against the contem-
plated expenditure. He should like to know upon what
foundations were the calculations of this expenditure, and
what was the understanding with the architect as to the
remuneration for his labours.
Mr. W. E. DUNCOMBE regretted that the hon. mem_
ber for Durham had withdrawn his amendment, and
thought the vote ought to be postponed for another year.
Mr. A. SMITH asked—Did the estimate of £200,000
for the work include the cost of purchasing the land ?
Mr. COWPER replied that it did not. He denied that
this vote had been charged with extreme haste. It was
under discussion for years, and had been fully considered.
Mr. Pennethorne's offer had been made for the construction
of a building which was considered totally insufficient for
the purposes of the Foreign Office. The ground plan of
Mr. Scott's building was in its essential elements, the same
as that sent in 1857. No advantage, but, on the contrary,
great loss would arise from any further delay in the erection
of the building. The best plan was to leave the matter to
the Executive Government on its own responsibility. A
careful plan and specification would be made by the archi-
tect and thrown open to public tender. The contract would
be made on a complete plan.
Sir J. SHELLEY believed they Would be very lucky If
they succeeded in having the Foreign Office built for
£200,000, and if that were done, very lucky indeed might
the country consider itself.
Sir H. WI LLO UGHBY asked—Was not the site of the
proposed Foreign Office purchased by money belonging to
the Woods and Forests ?
Mr. COWPER said that the architect would receive the
ordinary remuneration and nothing more. A portion of
the site had been purchased by means of an exchange be-
tween the Board of Works and the Land Revenue Depart-
ment.

and 12th Vic., c. 10, it was provided that the Commissioners
of Woods and Forests should within three months after the
end of the financial year place on the table of the house a
return of the annual expenditure up to the end of the last
financial year. What had been the course pursued by the
commissioners for the last few years ? They had kept back
the account until the very last day.
Mr. WILLIAMS said that the large sum of £173,000 had
been expended by the Woods and Forests, and he couhl, not
understand why this further sum of £25,700 should bo asked
for. If the Crown estates were properly managed ho felt
convinced they would produce an amount equal to the
Queen's civil list. They might spend £38,000 on the
management of the Crown property and the residue would
be equal to the civil list. It seemed to him that £38,000
was a large expenditure on a property of £400,000 a year.
Mr. PEEL said that this department had been examined
into some years ago, and it was found to be well managed.
It was not surprising that in the management of so large an
estate there should be a considerable expenditure. Favour-
able opportunity was taken for the sale of portions of the
property, but sales never took place on the responsibility of
the Woods and Forests department alone. The Treasury
department was always consulted. During the last 10 years
the property had increased from £350,000a year to £417,000.
He should produce a return of I he expenditure of the Crown
property for the last five years.
Mr. GREGORY wished to know why the legal expenses
connected with the crown property in Scotland were eight
times the amount they were in Ireland.
The LORD-ADVOCATE believed that in Scotland the
solicitor had to pay for clerks and fees to counsel, whereas
in Ireland a machine for carrying on the business was pro-
vided. He also believed that the law expenses in Scotland
were heavier in consequence of there being a greater amount
of litigation.
Mr. FINL AY believed that a larger sum was expended
in litigation in Scotland than was necessary.
Mr. CAIRD said that an expenditure of 10 per cent. was
far beyond the fair proportion.
Mr. HENNESSY observed that £5OO had been expended
on the feeding of game in Windsor, yet an hon. member
opposite connected with the Government said last session
that it was absurd to vote money for the support of the starv-
ing people of Ireland.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said there
was as little advantage in discussing the charges for the
management of this large property, amounting to between
£430,000 and £500,000 a year, upon the vote for the ex-
penses of the office of Woods and Forests, as there would
be in discussing the army expenditure on the vote for the
expenses of the War Department. The mode of dealing
with the crown estates had been settled at the be-
ginning of the present century by express contract. At
the commencement of the reign a contract was entered
into with the sovereign, and the sovereign in pursuance of
that contract had made over the right to receive the net
proceeds after all the charges connected with the manage-
ment had been defrayed. No estimate coulti, possibly be
submitted to the committee for its previous sanction of
those charges without an alteration in the law. At the
same time he did not intend to imply that they were re-
moved from the control of the house, but that control could
not be exercised by proceedings upon the estimates. The act of
1851 gave power to the Treasury to control the Woods and Fo -
res ts, and it was in the power of the house to challenge the
Treasury in respect of any proceedings of the Woods and
Forests. He did not intend to say that the matter ',vas
withdrawn from the control of the house, but he submitted
that it ought to be dealt with in another manner.
After some remarks from Sir H. WILLOITGHBY and Mr.
LESLIE,
The committee divided, and the numbers were—
For the amendment 7B
For the original vote
Majority
—44
Mr. A. SMITH said he wished to move the postpone-
ment of the vote.
The CHAIRMAN said it was not competent to the hon.
member, after a division, to move the postponement of the
vote,

Mr. A. SMITH then moved the rejection of the vote.
Sir 3. TRI.ILAWNY also urged the rejection of the vote
on the ground that certain returns made necessary by aet
of 1:-arliament had not been rendered to the house.
The committee divided—
For the vote
Against it
Majority —l62
The vote was agreed to.
On the vote of £13,753 to defray the expenses of the
State Paper .office,
Mr. HENNESSY asked whether the place occupied by
Mr. Turnbull, formerly engaged in this office, but turned
away, had been filled up by the Government ?
Lord PALMERSTON said the Government did not turn
Mr. Turnbull away. He resigned, and his resignation was
accepted. An inquiry was now going on in reference to the
matter, which he thought might be concluded to-morrow—
(hear)—and therefore he would not discuss it further.
Mr. NEWDE GATE thought it right that he should state
Mr. Turnbull had proceeded against the Secretary of the
Protestant Alliance Society for damages, and it would not
be fitting to discuss the matter in this house.
The vote was agreed to.
£184,71.1 to defray the expenses of the administration of
the poor law boards in England and Ireland was voted.
Lord J. MANNERS remarked that the Queen's birth-
day was to be celebrated on Wednesday, and he asked if
the house was to sit on that day ?
:Lord PALMERSTON said, as her Majesty was not in
town, and there was no drawing-room, ho saw no reason
why the house should not sit as usual.
The house then resumed.
EAST INDIA (CIVIL SERVICE) BILL.
This bill as amended was considered and agreed to.
APPROPRIATION OF SEATS (SUDBURY AND
ST. ALBANS) BILL.
Upon the motion that this bill should be considered as
amended,
Mr. COLLINS, in moving at page 2, line 21, to leave out
" Pontefract" and insert "Wakefield" as the place of no-
mination for the southern division of the West Riding, dis-
claimed treating the question as a political one, and said it
was purely a Yorkshire question, to be determined by York-
shiremen. He believed the majority of people in the county
were in favour of Wakefield, and he found that the propor-
tion of electors nearest to 'Wakefield was 13,325, and nearest
to Pontefract only 4,564, or about 3 to 1. He hoped there-
fore that members on both sides of the house, irrespective
of political considerations, would support bin proposal.
Mr. M. MILNES opposed the motion. Wakefield con-
tained a very large population, and was the scene of tumul-
tuous proceedings at elections, while Pontefract would not
only be more central, but was a place where elections would
be calmly and orderly conducted.
Major EDWARDS, as a Yorkshireman, wished to say
something on this question, and should be surprised if every
Yorkshire member did not avail himself of the same oppor-
tunity to do so. (Laughter.) He earnestly hoped *hat
Wakefield would be continued as the place of nomination, as
it possessed better railway accommodation than Pontefract,
and contained all the public offices belonging to that part o
the county.
Mr. HADFIELD characterised Pontefract as one of the
most corrupt places in the country,and advocated the claims
of Sheffield. (Laughter.) lie hoped Pontefract would not
be insisted upon, but that some convenient and accessible
place would be selected.
Sir G. C. LE WIS thought that the house would be placed
in an embarrassing and painful position if they rejected
Pontefract, because they would be called upon to decide
upon the rival claims of Wakefield and Sheffield. The hon.
gentleman who made the motion proposed Wakefield in-
stead of Pontefract, and the hon. member proposed Shef-
field. lie hoped the house would imitate the lawyer in the
fable, by giving one shell of the oyster to Wakefield and
the other to Sheffield, leaving the middle or oyster itself to
Pontefract. (Hear, hear, and laughter.)
The house then divided--
For the amendment 107
Against 94-13
The announcement was received with cheers.
On the motion that Wakefield stand part of the clause,
Sir G. C. LEWIS said that as between Wakefield and
Sheffield he preferred the former.
Mr.HADFIELD opposed the introduction of Wakefield.
He thought Sheffield had the best claim.
The house was cleared for a division, but none took place,
the introduction of Wakefield being agreed to.
The bill was then ordered to be read a third time.
MUNICIPAL CORPORATIONS ACT AMENDMENT

The vote was then agreed to.
£50,000 having been proposed to defray the expenses and
salaries of officers of the two Houses of Parliament,
Mr. WILLIAMS wished to be informed of the particular
items of this vote.
Mr. LINDSAY complained that no room was set apart
for the accommodation of strangers wishing to communicate
with members. The arrangements of the house were very
inconvenient.
Mr. CAIRD thought some arrangement should be made
whereby members might be made acquainted with the latest
telegraphic news. He also thought that officers of the house
might, as in the House of Lords, be permitted to take in
messages to members.
Mr. CO WPER said the only part of the house unappro-
priated at present was a part of the library, and he had no
objections to hon. members receiving visitors there.
Lord lIOTHAM said there were practical difficulties in
the way of admitting messengers into the house, and he
hoped the suggestion would not be adopted.
The vote was then agreed to.
£53,173 for clerks' salaries, &c., at the Treasury, was also
agreed to.
£25,783 for the expenses of the office of the Secretary of
State for the Home Department.
After a few words from Mr. WILLIAMS, the vote was
agreed to.
The vote of £31,449 for the colonies was agreed to.
The next vote proposed was £62,750 for the foreign de-
partment.
Mr. LINDSAY said the committee had reported with
reference to the foreign department that some of the clerks
in the Foreign Office were permitted to act also as agents
for the consular and diplomatic service. The hon. member
said it so happened that a case had occurred in which he
was himself concerned, where ho found it necessary to
make a complaint to the Foreign Secretary of the conduct
of a consul, and it might be that reference would be made
to a clerk in the Foreign Office who was at the same time
the agent for that very consul.
Mr. M. MILNES said no doubt it would appear at first
sight that a clerk in the Foreign Office ought not to act as
the hon, member had stated, but from his knowledge of the
facts he was able to say that some of the clerks in the
Foreign Office of necessity acted as agents to the diplo-
matic and consular service, and he believed that the per-
formance of that duty by no 'means detracted from their
usefulness in performing their public duties.
Lord J. RUSSELL said for his own part he could say
that there was no public wrong done by the practice which
had been objected to. The nature of the duties of the
Foreign Office were of the most confidential kind, and it
would not be advisable that private agents should be fur-
nished with information which they might require if they
performed the duties of agents to the diplomatic and con-
sular service. He was able to say that the public service
did not suffer by the practice which was objected to by the
hon. member. (Hear.)
Lord PALMERSTON said he had had a great deal of
experience in the Foreign-office, and he was satisfied that
the public service did not suffer by the practice of the
clerks acting as agents under the circumstances alluded to.
It was most important that no private agent should be fur-
nished with information which was known to the clerks in
the office, and in whom it was necessary the fullest confi-
dence should be placed,
The vote was then agreed to, as were also the following :
L 30,580 for salaries in the Privy Council-office.
£14,595 for the expenses of the office for the Privy Conn-
ell for Trade.
£2,760 for the Lord Privy Seal, and the expenses of his
establishment.
£6,112 for the civil service commission.
£13,::50 for the department of the Paymaster-General.
On a vote of £6,640 for salaries and expenses connected
with the office of the Controller• General of the Exchequer,
Mr. SALOMONS asked whether the recent changes
would not allow of the whole business of issuing Exchequer
bills being performed by the Bank of England.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER agreed that
it would be desirable the whole business and manufacture
of Exchequer bills should be placed in the hands of the
Bank of England. There were, however, various other points
connected with the duties of the office of the Exchequer
standing for consideration and decision, and the Govern-
ment had therefore thought it convenient to postpone hand-
ling with this matter until the report of the public moneys
committee could be considered, rather than to deal with it
piecemeal.

The vote was then agreed to.
On a vote of £25,333 for salaries and expenses connected
with the office of Commissioner of Works and Public Build-
ings,

Mr. PEASE asked how it was there were two assistant
surveyors of works ?

Mr. C 0 W PER said one was the assistant surveyor in Lon-
don, and the other the assistant surveyor out of London.
The vote was agreed to.
On a vote of £18,708 for the salaries and expenses of the
office of Woods, Forests, and Land Revenue.
Mr. CAIRD complained there was a charge which did
not appear on the vote for the management of the Woods
and Forests in the shape of commissions and fees to sur-
veyors and others, amounting, he believad, very nearly to
as much as the sum then asked for. He thought that was
a vast waste of the public money. With regard to Scot-
land, he should propose to reduce the present vote by the
amount of £l,OOO, that being the salary paid to the Scotch
commissioners.

Sir H. WILLOUGHBY contended the committee WAS
not in a position to enter upon this vote at all. By the llth

(No. 2) BILL.

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The house went into committee on this bill.
Clause 1 was agreed to.

On clause 2, which proposed to give the mayor the right
of taking the chair at meetings of justices within the
borough,

Mr. NEWDEGATE opposed the clause. The Court of
Queen's Bench decided unanimously that under the exist-
ing law the mayor had of right .no authority to take the
chair. He thought.that a discretion should be left to the
justices in this matter. There might be a mayor who was
totally incompetent to preside, and it would not be right or
proper that such a person should be the chairman of all
the meetings of the justices within the borough. The
opinion of the Court of Queen's Bench was that the prece-
dence intended to be given to the mayor was social and not
magisterial. (Hear, hear.) He moved the omission of the
clause.
Mr. DANBY SEYMOUR moved the adjournment of
the debate. It was too important to be discussed at that
hour (two o'clock).
Mr. ADDERLEY hoped the Government would agree
to the motion for adjournment.
Sir G. LEWIS diet not believe the clause had the great
importance attributed to it, because, as they well knew, the
mayors were persons of respectability. He had no objection

to the adjournment. .
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These bills were
cOPYRIGYIT OF DESIGNS BILL.
ThCeUllTamended was considered.
This bill passed eirough committee.
PUBLIC OFFICES EXTENSION BILL.
The Lords' amendments Were considered 40 agreed to.

EDINBURGH UNIVERSITY BILL.
I This bill was read a second time.
LANDLORD AND TENANT LAW AMENDMENT
(IRELAND) ACT PROCEEDINGS BILL.
This bill was read a second time.
CRUELTY TO ANIMALS PREVENTION (No. 2)
BILL.
Viscount RAYNHAM moved the second reading of this
bill, which was opposed by Mr. HENNESSY and others.
The second reading was negatived.
UNIVERSITY ELECTIONS BILL.
On the motion for the third reading of the bill,
Mr. BOUVERIE moved that the third reading whould
be postponed. The bill had never been discussed.
After some discussion,
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said be
had strong objections to the bill as it stool, and he was pre-
pared to state them at length, but at the present late hour
it was perhaps better that the debate should be adjourned.
(Cries of " Divide.")
The house divided—.
For the adjournment
Against
Majority.
—7
On the motion that the hill be read a third time,
Mr. AYRTON rur)ved the adjournment of the house.
Mr. MO WBRAY opposed the motion.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER remarkt..4
that the house had no opportunity of considering the new
principle of voting by proxy introduced into the
Mr. HUNT said the right hon. gentleman ought to have
made his objection in committee.
Sir G. LEWIS said that he agreed to the report on the
distinct understanding that time would be allowed for the
discussion of the third reading. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. DODSON complained of the conduct of the Govern-
ment in offering this opposition to the last stage of this bill,
without any notice of their intention to oppose it.
The house divided—
For the adjournment 25
Against
Majority... —g
Mr. FREELAND moved the adjournment of the debate.
Sir M. FARQUHAR said that if the Government gave a
day for the discussion of the third reading the opposition to
the Government would be withdrawn. If not, he, hoped
they would remain in their places till ten o'clock in the
morning. (Oh, oh.)
Lord PALMERSTON proposed to give Wedneriday week
for the discussion. (Oh.) If it did not come on on that day
he would fix an early day after.
Mr. DODSON would agree to the adjournment if the
noble lord fixed a day on this side of Wednesday week.
The house divided—
For the adjournment
Against
Majority —B
Sir C. DOUGLAS moved the adjournment of the holm.
Lord PALMERSTON proposed Friday next for the .ad-
journment, which was accepted by Mr. Dodson.
The house then adjourned at a quarter-past three.

COUNTRY MA.REETS.

COLCHESTER--JULY 6.

The growing crops look very healthy. A. short supply of
wheat. Best samples at rather over the prices of last
week ; inferior unsaleable. spring corn in little demand,
at late rates.

Wheat, white s6s to 62s 1 Beans,_Nfazagan..36; to 420
red 44s to 56s Middle & small 38s to 440
Barley —s to —s White peas 448 to 480
Oats —s to —8 Cirri,. 38s to 440

IRD-JuLy 5.

-day, but very little businesii
ipring corn of all descriptions

Peas, Partridge 44s to 453
White 43s to 46s
Boiling ..43s to 47s
Dun ..40s to 430
Beans, Tick ....39s to 48s
Harrow Ticks 39s to 60s
Mazagan......33s to 450