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London, England, 1859-06-11 00:00:00

DIVERIAL PARLIAMENT.

HOUSE OF LORDS—(YESTERDAY.)
The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat on the woolsack
at five o'clock.
THE ENFIELD RIFLE.
In answer to a question from Lord AVELAND
Lord ROSSLYN said no Enfield rifles' had been
issued to the militia, except such regirae.nts as
have been re-embodied. It was, however, intended
by the Commander-in-Chief to send some of the
disembodied militia to Hythe for instruction in musketry,
and so soon as the militia had progressedto sufficiethem ntly
to
to
take care of the weapons, it was intended issue
militia regiments in general.
ENDOWED SCHOOLS.
Lord BROUGHAM said he had already announced his
intention of bringing forward a measure to remedy the evil
effects of the decision of the Lords Justices ; and he should
have done so that evening, but he had learned that the
subject had been taken up in the other House of Parliament.
The bill he intended to have introduced would prevent liti-
gation, whieh was at the present moment carried on to
a fearful extent. In one case within his knowledge as
much as £4,500 of the endowed funds had been spent in
a law suit to exclude Dissenters from the administration of
those funds.
Lord LYNDHURST presented several petitions refer-
ring to the subject mentioned by the noble and learned
lord who had just sat down.
Lord REDESDALE said there was some diffi-
culty connected with this subject. It was quite
true that hardship might exist in some cases, but in others
the endowment had been made by Churchmen, who never
intended that Dissenters should interfere in their dis-
tribution.
VEXATIOUS INDICTMENTS BILL.
Lord CAMPBELL moved the second reading of this
bill, the principal object of which was to render it
imperative before an indictment was preferred and a
warrant issued against any person, that the charge should
undergo an investigation before a magistrate.
Lord WENSLEYDALE objected to the bill as uncon-
stitutional.
Lord LYNDHURST said, as the subject had been fully
discussed last session, he was surprised that it should be
opposed on that occasion.
The LORD CHANCELLOR entirely approved of the
bill, and thought it ought to pass through all its stages as
early as possible.
The bill was then read a second time and committed, and
ordered to be read a third time on Thursday.next.
DEBTOR AND CI3.EDITOR BILL.
The. LORD CHANCELLOR moved the second reading
of this bill.
After a few observations from Lord WENSLEYDALE and
the Earl of Powis, the bill was read a second time, com-
mitted, and ordered to be read a third time on Thursday
next.
JOINT COMPANIES WINDING-UP ACT.'
This bill was read a second time, committed, and ordered
to be read a third time on Thursday.
LAW OF PROPER ENT
ENT BY AN TRUSTEES' AMEND-
ThisMILL bill was read a third time and passed.
Their lordships then adjourned.

HOUSE OF COMMONS—(YESTERDAY.)
The SPEAKER took the chair at 4 o'clock.
SWEARING OF MEMBERS.
Mr. Arnott, Mr. I. Butt, Mr. Stewart, Mr. Corbally,
Mi. Blake, &c., took the oaths.
PRIVATE BUSINESS.
Some private bills were advanced a stage, in conformity
with the sessional order of the late Parliament.
SIR E. LUGARD.
A letter was read from Sir E. Lugard in acknowledg-
ment of the vote of thanks of the house for his services.

THE ADJOURNED DEBATE.
Mr. M, GIBSON resumed the adjourned debate. He
said that he was not in the habit of taking part in what
were called party discussions, and would have preferred to
be called on to speak to some specific act or measure of the
Government, instead of the motiontefore the house ; but
he felt called on to address the house on the present occa-

sion, when they were required to deliberate as to
which great party should possess the seals of office.
He contended that the amendment to the address was
forced on the house by the course which the Govern-
ment pursued in dissolving Parliament last session on a
question of mere part' politics. He had felt
bound to dissent from the foreign policy of the
noble lord the member for Tiverton, and to that
opinion he adhered ; but at the same time, in dealing
with a question like the present they must look to the
leaders of party, whom they could not separate from party
itself. The object of the dissolution was to enable the
Government to carry more measures of a Conservative
character than could be expected from the late Parliament,
which was of a more Liberal element. He could not see
how the Liberal members of the house could pass a vote of
confidence in a Government like the present under existing

circumstances. He could not help expressing some surprise
at the course which he understood his hon. friend the
member for Sunderland (Mr. Lindsay) proposed to
take in supporting the Government, and he did
not consider that he (Mr. ' Lindsay) was properly
repaying the inhabitants of Sunderland for the enthusiasm
they evinced in returning him in opposition to Mr. Hud-
son. (Hear, hear.) He strongly protested against the
interference of the Executive in effecting the return of par-
ticular members which was attributed to the Government.
He referred to statements made in reference to Ber-
wick, and quoted an article 'in the Berwick Warder,
which stated that a letter had been received from the
"highest authority," to the effect that the object for
which the inhabitants of the town in question were
so desirous would be effected, namely, the re-esta-
blishment of barracks. That object had been refused
by Lord Panmure, on professional grounds, and yet
the announcement in question appeared in print
three days before the nomination. He wished to know if
the gallant and hon. member the Secretary for War pro-
posed any specific vote in the army estimates for the re-
establishment of barracks in Berwick ?
General PEEL—It is not. (Laughter.)
Mr. M. GIBSON—He should like to be informed' then if
a letter had been sent such as he described ? (Hear, hear,
and oh, oh.) He denied that they were justified in refusing
confidence to the Government with reference to Parlia-
mentary Reform, for though a right hon. member of that
house had promised to introduce a comprehensive and sa-
tisfactory measure of Parliamentary Reform, he did not
think he could do so, with the state of feeling of that party
onwhich the Government depended for support. He alluded
in support of what he stated to the speech receutly given at
Ipswich by the Attorney-General, in which he stated that
a large measure of reform was not at present required.
(Hear, hear.) He appealed to the Roman Catholic mem-
bers of the house not to support Government unless they
obtained some specific promise of substantial benefit, and he
called on these hon. members to remember that the Govern-
ment belonged to a party that were only too ready to avail
themselves of the "No Popery cry," to acquire some popu-
larity at the eipense of those who were actuated by their
religious convictions. (Cries of " Hear," and "No no.")
With regard to the war question, he was not one of those
who were disposed to charge the Government with not
being sincere in the opinion expressed on the ques-
tion of neutrality, and he was inclined to wait
Until the course of events showed whether they. were de-
termined to act in conformity with their expressions. At
the same time he viewed with pain and distrust
the .sympathy the Government were said to en-
tertain for Austria in the pending hostilities, and
with a view to preventing any infringement of the
peace of England that they should put the most favourable
construction on the conduct of the French Government
until something occurred to justify them in adopting
a different course. He trusted that they would
adopt the wise course of confining their attention
to domestic affairs instead of having their thoughts directed
to the dangerous question of continental war. (Hear.)
From these considerations he felt bound to support the
amendment.
Mr. LINDSAY—As the right hon. gentleman who had
just sat down made reference to him (Mr. Lindsay) and the
course he was about to take on the present occasion, perhaps
the house would allow him to state the reasons which in-
duced him as an advocate of reform to pursue that course.
(Hear.) He had always voted for reform—he had always
voted for progress and for freedom of religion—and in the
vote which he should feel it his duty to give upon the mo-
tion he conscientiously believed that he should best perform
his duty to the liberal constituency by which he had been
returned. (" Oh, oh," and laughter from the Opposition,
and cheers from the Conservatives.) That was his con-
scientious belief, and he was sure hon. gentlemen would re-
spect his motive when he said it was a high sense of duty
as a reformer that induced him to vote against the amend-
ment. (Ministerial cheers, and laughter from the Opposi-
tion.) His right hon. friend read a paragraph from the
Times of a great meeting which he (Mr. Lindsay) addressed,
in which his triumphant return to that house was referred
to as a reformer, and asked what would his constituents
think of the vote he was now about to give ? Now, it so
happened that in some correspondence he had written to a
political friend abroad about this question of neutrality, and
how it affected British ships—he referred •to these state of
political parties in this country, and in the paragph in
the Times some remarks that he had made in the course of
that correspondence appeared. Some extracts from his let-
ter to his friend abroad found their way, to the press, had
gone to Sunderland, which he represented, and appeared in
a newspaper there. He had those extracts in his box, and it
might be interesting to the house if he read the views of the
leading. liberal paper upon the subject of ,this amendment.
The editor of this paper said, " The matter before the coun-
try now is not one of an abstract character." The editor
of this paper was an advanced Liberal, as thoroughly ear-
nest as his right hon. friend, and he continued :—" It is
plainly this, whether the present Ministry are to be re-
moved from office without any defined accusation or any
sufficient guarantee that their successors will introduce and
maintain a policy more conducive to the interests of the
country. Two questions claimed prominent attention—re-
form and peace. It is soon to be seen whether the Derby
administration have profited by their knowledge of a thorough
determination on the part of the people to have a real and
substantial measure of reform, and if so, whether they will
legislate for the nation rather than for party. They are cer-
tainly entitled to have the opportunity of showing whether
such a change has taken place. A factious amendment on
the address should not be countenanced by independent
liberals. (Conservative cheers.) As to the great question of
peace, if Ministers prove by their acts that they are sincere
in their declaration to maintain a strict neutrality, it would
be most injudicious at this time to compel a change in the
administration. For these reasons he had no doubt that a
large number of earnest and independent liberals will act in
aeceidance with the views represented by one of our own
rtacire.sentatives, Mr Lindsay, in the following communica-
tion; Then came the extract from the communication to
without he had referred, and the words which he wrote,
the rut havinig any idea that they Would find their way to
havinge done so.
he was not at all ashamed of their
Government's than "This century has not produced a worse
racy Bill_cco that which was destroyed on the Conspi-
vxmenssteryative cheers)—and I believe there are a
few stern,
menno interests but those iii the House of Commons who have
will resist t o theof their country at heart, and who
utmost
esena7 attempt to replace the Whigs
pr in power. If the Gov on the opening of
Parliament,, say that they will advance .
comparison with
the growing intelligence of the people—if they will bring in
a bill disfmtichising some ofthesmallborn
ofthesmallboroughs and extend-
ing the frauchise, and if they will maintain neutrality, they
have nu reason to dread any hostile attack
and all the ?costs they can bring againsttheirmet'm ThheeseWwerhigee
the views expressed by a leading Liberal
in the north of
England ; they were his views. (Oh.) The hon. member
for Birmingham was not more earnest for reform than he
was. (Oh, oh.) The hon. member sneered—he seemed
to think it in ipossible to get a substantial and satisfactory
reform bill pa seed by the present Government. But what
w Government ras it that passed all the great measures of
Progress of will TeJj we were soproud ? He believed it vtaa the