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London, England, 1861-03-15 00:00:00

JAMENT.

HOUSE OF LORDS.-(YESTERDAY.)
SUBDIVISION OF DIOCESES BILL.

Lord LYTTELTON moved the second reading of this
bill.

Earl GRANVILLE said that the bill was so imperfect
that it could not be allowed to pass without great alteration.
The Earl of DERBY agreed with Earl Granville that
the bill required considerable modification before it could
be permitted to pass. Admitting that an increase in the
Episcopacy was necessary, he did not feel inclined to trust
too much power in the hands of the Ecclesiastical Commis •
sioners.

The Bishop of OXFORD, approving the principle of
the bill, disapproved of its details, and recommended its
withdrawal.

The Duke of MARLBOROUGH said that the question
would be practically shelved if the house refused to read
the bill a second time.
The Bishop of LONDON said that the object of the bill
was to vest, in other bodies, ecclesiastical powers not exer-
cised by Parliament. Such a bill ought to be very carefully
considered.
Lord LYTTELTON replied, and upon a division the
bill was read a second time by 27 to 23.
The Trades' Marks Bill and the Inclosure Bill were re-
spectively read a third time and passed.
The lordships then adjourned.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.—(YESTERDAY.)
THE HUNGARIAN NOTES.
Mr. T. DUNCOMBE had a question to ask which was
strictly in order, for it was an old constitutional maxim that
supplies ought not to be granted until grievances had been
redressed. He wished to ask the Secretary of State for the
Home Department what instructions were given to Sir
Richard Mayne in reference to the alleged manufacture of
notes in this country in the name of Hungary, and what
sourse Sir Richard Mayne took upon those instructions;
and by what authority Sir Richard Mayne required the
Messrs. Day to suspend the manufacture of the notes; and
by whom the expenses of the proceedings taken were to be
defrayed. It appeared that early in February an applies..
tion was made at the Foreign-office to the noble lord the
member for the City, by the representative of the Austrian
Government in this country, to put a stop to the manufac-
ture of these notes, which was going on at Messrs. Day's,
the lithographers. The Foreign-office—
Sir G. C. LEWIS—No, the Home Department.
Mr. DUNCOMBE—WeII, the Home Department took
the opinion of the law officers of the Crown, and they said
that the manufacture of these notes was illegal. If that
opinion really was given, the noble lord, he thought, should
have laid the opinion on the table, and not by his statement
of the fact have prejudged a case whilst proceedings were
still pending. The further state of the case he (Mr. Dun-
combe) believed to be this. In February last, Sir R.Mayne,
in obedience to an ordir from the Home Government, paid a
visit to Messrs. Day, and required and desired them to sus-
pend the manufacture of the notes. Now, Messrs. Day were
pursuing their trade lawfully, as he fully believed it would
turn out. The notes had been ordered by M. Kossuth for his
own purposes, and what they were the house did not know.
He (Mr. Duncombe) believed, however, that a larger num-
ber of the notes were struck off after the visit of Sir Richard
Mayne. Then, he believed, a detective was put in—(hear)—
in the disguise of a workman. At any rate a spy system had
been introduced, and at the instructions of Sir R. Mayne.
The noble lord might have received instructions from Aus-
tria to stay the issue of these notes, but with all his
Austrian leaning he (Mr. Duncombe) should scarcely have
suspected the noble lord of having recourse to measures of
this kind. Another question was, by whom the expenses
were to be borne. A note had been obtained from Messrs.
Day's office by corruption and bribery. He wished to know
whether her Majesty's Government had paid for this, or
whether Austria had paid for it, for in the latter event our
police were in the pay of the Austrian Government. (Hear.)
Sums for secret service money were voted in the estimates ;
possibly they were devoted to this purpose among others.
He thought the circumstances of the case required a full
explanation.
Sir G. C. LEWIS—Sir, I think there is no doubt that my
hon. friend, if he believed that any grievance existed in this
matter, exercised a constitutional privilege in bringing the
subject under the consideration of the house on the motion
for going into Committee of Supply; but I trust, after the
simple explanation which I have it in my power to give,
that the house will be satisfied that no grievance exists. My
attention was called by Sir R. Mayne to the existence of
certain notes printed in the Hungarian language about the
sth of February, and I may say that Sir R. Mayne, myself,
and every other person in the Home-office were equally
ignorant of the Hungarian language. (Laughter.) It was,
however, a small printed note, and signed by "Kossuth
Louis." It appeared that it was printed by Mr. Day, the
lithographer, and at my suggestion Sir R. Mayne put him-
self
into communication with Mr. Day, and addressed to
him the following letter, dated Feb. 11 :
" Sir Richard Mayne requests Mr. Day will be so good
as to call here to-morrow at 12 o'clock, or as soon after as
may be convenient.
Metropolitan Police-office, Feb. 11."
In consequence of that letter an interview took place be-
tween Mr. Day and Sir R. Mayne, but I do not understand
that Sir R. Mayne made any demand on Mr. Day of the
nature my hon, friend states. On the 13th February Sir
R. Mayne addressed a second letter to Mr. Day, which I ap•
prebend contains the substance of the intimation that my
hon. friend alluded to. This is the whole that passed be-
tween Sir It. Mayne and Mr. Day :
" Sir,—l request you will detain for the present all the
Hungarian notes on your premises, as you told me yesterday
you would do if a notice to that effect were given to you.
" I hope to see you to-morrow with reference to the in-
quiry on which you are to give me information.—l am,
your obedient servant,
" Feb. 13." "RICHARD MAYNE.
Mr. T. DUNCOMBE—Did you give Sir R. Mayne no
instructions ?
Sir G. C. LEWIS—I wish to say that Sir R. Mayne was
acting entirely under my instructions. (Hear, hear.) Well,
no further interview took place between Mr. Day and Sir
It. Mayne, and nothing further passed in writing. That is
the whole extent of the transaction between Sir R. Mayne
and Mr. Day. With regard to any detective, lam not
aware of any person having been employed by Sir R. Mayne
in the manner my hon. friend describes. No expense has
been incurred by the Government, and they are no parties
to the proceedings now pending before the Court of Chan-
cery.

Mr. DUNCOMBE—How did they get the note ?
Sir G. C. LEWIS—Oh I the note. (Laughter, amidst
which the right hon. baronet sat down.)
Mr. BRIGHT—I think my hon. friend gave the right
hon. gentleman an opportunity to make a rather fuller
statement than he has done, and I am sorry he has not
availed himself of it. (Hear, hear.) Tip right hon. gen-
tleman mentioned—and it was the first fact he stated—
that Sir R. Mayne called his attention to the matter of
these notes. I should like very much to know who first
called Sir R. Mayne's attention to them. (Hear, hear.)
Was it the noble lord at the head of the Foreign-office or
the right hon. gentleman himself to whom the noble
lord deputed the subject ? Because it makes some differ-
ence in the case whether Sir Richard Mayne did this of his
own mere motion or from the orders of a superior depart-
ment. (Hear, hear.) The right hon. gentleman did not tell
us exactly how the matter stood in this respect. It ap-
pears that Sir R. Mayne had become possessed of one of
these notes. The right hon. gentleman has not informed us
how he became possessed of it. It is not to be supposed, I
presume, that the ex-Governor of Hungary sent him a
copy—(laughter)—nor is it asserted that Mr. Day sent him
one. Somebody must have been in Mr. Day's works and
abstracted a note to furnish it to Sir R. Mayne. (Hear.)
It is stated further that a police officer obtained employ-
ment with Mr. Day as a labourer at the press, and that he
took one of the notes belonging to his employer—an act of
larceny, I imagine, though I hardly know what the law-
yers would call it. (A laugh.) Certainly it would not be
a very honest act. If he did not do that, it is said that he
must have used some paper of his own, making an impres-
heth
sion of the note upon it, and furnishing it to Sir R. Mayne.
little
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this position—that in a matter which does no,9t in the least
concern the security of the Crown or Government of Eng-
land, but which does in some degree, it may be,
affect the
interest of a foreign Government, the head of the metropo-
litan police undertakes to introduce into the workshop of a
tradesman in this city one of his detectives in the garb
b of
an honest, frank labourer at a printing-press, in order that
he may there discover what the tradesman is doing, and
take from his premises a note which may be used in a court
of justice not only against the ex-Governor of ilungary,
whose name is attached to it, but against Mr. Day himself.
(Hear.) That is contrary to all the opinions prevailing in
the country with respect to the powers of the police. (Hear,
hear.) Whatever use may he made of such a proceeding for
the purposes of our own Government—and I do not think
it would be very desirable eves in that case—(hear, hear)
—there can be no question that it would be very wrong for
the Home Secretary to sanction such a proceeding on the
part of the police, for the purposed of the Austrian or any
other foreign Government. (Hear.) Of course as regards
the main question, that will be settled by the court to which
it has been referred. Ido not mean to go into it, because
what that court decides we can be well content to agree to,
but I think the right hon. gentleman owes it to the house
to be a little more explicit. He ought to tell us whether
the Home-office, acting for the Foreign-office, and Sir R.
Mayne acting for the Home-office, or for the Austrian Go-
vernment, is to be permitted to introduce into the shop of
a London tradesman a person in the garb of an honest la-
bourer, who may give evidence whereon a foreign Govern-
ment can pursue an exile who has taken up his residence
among us. (Oh, and hear.) I shall say no more about
that, but the right hon. gentleman ought to make an expli-
cit statement, because, sir, if any part of this transaction is
left unexplained it will create a very strong suspicion against
the Government throughout the entire country. (Hear.)
Mr.HENLEY—Before the right hon. gentleman answers
the questions put to him by the hon. member for Birming-
ham, Perhaps he will allow me to make another inquiry.
As I understand the action which he describes to have taken
place, an interview passes and letters pass between Sir R.
Mayne and the tradesmen employed to manufacture those

notes. The right hon. gentleman left it in this way, with..
out giving any further explanation. I shall not touch on
intermediate situations ; but he says that Sir R. Mayne
told this tradesman not to let any of this property go from
his premises, and the right hon. gentleman adds that there
he left it. We have a right to know whether the police in
this country gives notice to a tradesman not to allow pro-
perty which he may be manufacturing in the course of busi-
ness to leave his premises without any criminal charge be-
ing alleged against him. We ought to know whether this
tradesman is under notice still. The right hon. gentleman
shakes his head, and therefore I presume that he is not ;
but the right hon. gentleman ought to state distinctly what
the fact is. In this case it seems that the question of the
legality or otherwise of the act itself is to be left to a
civil court, and therefore the case is not the same as
one in which the transaction is a criminal one. (Hear,
hear.) I would ask the right hon. gentleman whether Sir
Richard Mayne has withdrawn his notice P (Hear, hear.)
Sir G. C. LEWIS--Perhaps the house will grant me
permission to reply to the questions that have been put to
me by the hon. member for Birmingham (Mr. Bright) and
the right hon. gentleman who has just sat down. I can
state in the most confident manner my belief—l think I
may say my knowledge, but certainly my belief—that no
detective was used by the police in this matter, and that no
improper agent such as the hon. member for Birmingham
describes was induced by corruption to give information.
(Hear, hear.) I know nothing whatever of any such means
having been used. The reason I interfered in the first in-
stance was this—the house must be aware that it is contrary
to the law of the country to counterfeit the money of any
foreign government. (Hear, hear.) Not being, as I said
before, master of the Hungarian language, I could not tell
the exact nature of this note without communication with
Mr. Day. Sir Richard Mayne accordingly communicated
with Mr. Day on the subject. Afterwards, when we got a
translation of this note, and saw that it did not purport to
be a counterfeit of any Austrian money, but that the fabri-
cation was one of money to be used by a new Government to
be constituted, we saw that if the matter was a crime at all
it was one of a different character. We took the opinion of
the law officers of the Crown. That opinion was, of course,
confidential, and it is not for me to state it; but, in conse-
quence of the opinion of the law officers, the Government
decided not to institute any proceedings against Mr. Day;
and he was informed—certainly when he came to me he
must have understood—that this notice was only for the
moment, and until further information had been obtained ;
and he could not for 24 hours have remained under the im-
pression that the police would lay any embargo on his pro-
perty. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. BRIGHT—The right hon. gentleman has not ex-
plained how he came by the note.
Sir G. C. LEWIS--The notes were laid before me by Sir
Richard Mayne. (" Oh I" and " Hear.")
PROSECUTIONS AT ARMAGH.
Sir H. CAIRNS drew attention to the course taken on
behalf of the Crown in the recent prosecutions at Armagh,
in having managed in a protestant county, on a trial for
riot, to obtain a Roman Catholic jury, and in not calling
certain witnesses.
Mr. CARDWELL said that all that was done was the
securing the exclusion from the jury of persons likely to be
prejudiced. The witnesses were there, and might have
been called for the purposes of cross-examination.
SUPPLY—ARMY ESTIMATES.
Mr. T. G. BARING, in rising to move the army esti-
mates, asked permission to refer in the first instance to the
observations,of the hon. and gallant member for Hunting..
don, reserving, however, his answer to a portion of those
observations which referred to 1860-61, until it was seen
whether a supplementary estimate would be necessary for
the present year. This much, however, he could assure
the committee, that no part of the vote of credit should be
applied to supplement the ordinary army service of that year.
The number of men now demanded was 146,044, showing
nominally an increase of 775 men, and it was to be under-
stood, that last year the embodied militia were not included.
The hon. and gallant member had mentioned this fact as if
it were not of an ordinary character, but the fact was that
the exclusion of the militia was the ordinary practice. He
(Mr. Baring) should speak with great diffidence in
answer to the hon. member for Huntingdon if he had him-
self prepared the estimates, but as the house knew the
estimates had been prepared by the noble lord the Minister
for War, the hon. and gallant member for Huntingdon was
not justified in saying that the nominal increase was an
actual decrease of 9,000 men. The hon. member had
omitted to consider the regiments borne on the British
establishment which had not returned from China; show-
ing, in reality, that the decrease was not 9,000 but 5,000
men. In order, however, to make itclear to the committee,
it would be most convenient to compare the average of the
two years ; he including in the statement the disembodied
militia. Commencing with the whole British army in 1860-
61, the average numbers, according to the Adjutant-Gene-
rare return, including the staff, was 228,020 regular forces ;
the average militia embodied during the year being 9,569;
total, 237,589. Against this the average numbers estimated
for 1861-62 were 212,773, showing a decrease of no less than
24,816 men. In order to advance a step further, he took the
men of 1860-61,wh0 were paid for by the Indian Government.overnment.
In the first year, there were in India 72,712; depots, 15,058;
total, 87,707. This year there were in India 62,041; depots
6,688; total, 68,729; showing a decrease of 19,041. Of men
.paid from the imperial revenue, the average in 1860-61 was
142,819, and this year provision was made for 144,044 ; he
used these numbers instead of the first total, because when
the regiments which were expected came home from India,
it would make a difference of 2,000 men, so that the whole
decrease would be 5,775 instead of 9,000, as the hon. and
gallant member had stated. He would now go one step
further and see what troops were in the colonies and in the
Unite I Kingdom. In 1860-61 there were in the colonies
and China 55,883 ; in 1861-62 51,717, showing a decrease of
4,166, and there remained a total of 93,936 borne on the
books, including the embodied militia for 1860-61, whereas
the total this year, with no militia, was 92,227—the real de-
crease on the United Kingdom of 609. It was quite impos-
sible, in fact, to compare an estimate including militia with
one which excluded militia, and where provision was made
for some regiments which were yet to return from India,
The numbers in the United Kingdom were, as he had said,
92,327, to which adding the Indian depots—more than 6,000
—would leave 90,000, the average for the United Kingdom
for 1861-62, and as the regiments from India arrived we
should be still stronger at the end of the year. In order to
make the matter more clear, he would give the committee
the number of battalions for two years. On the let April,
1860, there were 40 in England, 57 in India, 33 in the colo-
nies, and 9in China. On the Ist April, 1861, the numbers
would be respectively 49, 51, 34, and 5, being an increase of
9 battalions at home, and there would be an increase when
the New Zealand affair was settled. In comparing the two
years there was a decrease in 1861-62, because last year the
Indian depots were larger ; but something must be allowed
for the substitution of regular troops for militia. He did
not say this in any disparagement of the militia, whose
high discipline he most freely acknowledged, but it was
impossible that militia could ever be perfectly equal to the
troops of the line. He thought the committee would see
that they would have this year an additional strength
of battalions of the line, and a much larger
militia reserve, which latter was so perfectly trained that it
formed a nucleus which could at any time be raised to its full
strength. The numbers disembodied were 5,500 artillery,
and 12,800 infantry; the force being taken altogether what
the Government teemed necessary for the purposes of the
United Kingdom, and not too great for the position held by
.this country before the world. The gallant officer said they
' had not taken sufficient money to pay their men, but if he
would look to the return of effectives, for which he himself
had moved, he would see that the average cost of each man
for 1859-60 was £54, and if he worked the sum he would see
that exactly that average was provided for the present year.
Again, the gallant officer anticipated that there would be an
excess on the estimate for China, but there was a very small
portion for which provision had not been made, consisting
merely of one battery of artillery, and one squadron of
cavalry. Having thus explained our position as to numbers
he should proceed to explain the mode in which the reduc-
tions had taken place. Five battalions had come home from
India, and one regiment of cavalry, and there would also be
a reduction in the strength of the depots. In the cavalry,
although two troops would be reduced in each regiment, no
officer would be placed on half-pay but would be gradually
absorbed, and commissions bought out of the reserve fund.
This made the reduction 19,000 for India. At the same
time no man would be discharged, as it was anticipated that
in consequence of the termination of the ten years' service
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accounts, and had come to the conclusion that by the Ist
of April the number of men would square with the esti-
mate without any discharging. With respect to the colo-
nies, there was a reduction of five battalions in China,
against a small increase in New Zealand. There had been a
slight alteration of pay in the Malta Fencibles, who had
been changed into artillery, with a small increase of pay,
which had been exceedingly popular in the corps. (Hear,
hear.) At home, tl;e3 establishment of each cavalry regi-
ment returning from India was reduced by 25 men and 28
horses; and in the artillery provision had been taken for
the formation of now garrison brigades ; but their complete
formation would be postponed until the return of the artil-
lery from India, and in the meantime the vote would be
sufficient for four batteries. There was a small increase in
the Royal Engineers, and another decrease he should men-
tion was that of the second assistant surgeons of regiments
at home. One of the assistant-surgeons hal nothing to do,
but idled away the time, and was not improving in his pro-
fession. There had been an increase of surgeons in the
Staff, in order to provide for ball-practice and other contin-
gencies. With regard to the expenses connected with the
embodied militia;in
18 6 0 .6 9,1
number of men, he should follow tha example of the hon.
and gallant officer, and take together votes 2,3, 9, 10: 4.
3are
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did not concur with the first issue of the estimates, and for
this reason—there was a vote of clothing last year, £200,000,
to the Indian credit, but those credits had now ceased.
The decrease would have been greater were it not that a
greater sum had been taken for provisions. The reason:of
that was partly the increased price of food, and partly the
circumstance that the estimate for the year, few years had

been under the mark. This year a great change had been
made in the mode of preparing the estimates. In future
they would be drawn up by that branch of the War-office
which controlled the expenditure over the whole year ;
and the house might therefore look for much greater accu-
racy than had hitherto been attained. The report of the
commission on the subject of recruiting had recently been
laid upon the table. It was proposed, in accordance with
the view expressed by the commissioners, to make an al-
teration with regard to re-enlistments. Under the present
regulation it was actually as advantageous to men who had
served their ten years in India to take their discharge, come
home at the public expense, and re-enlist in this country.
It was proposed, however, to give great advantages to those
who would re-enlist in India. It was also proposed to re-
duce the bounty to £l, and to give the men in lieu of the
money, which they generally spent at a public-house, a
larger quantity of necessaries. They would certainly receive
another pair of boots, and probably other articles. With re-
gard to the food of the army, the system of slaughtering
beasts at Aldershot and at the Curragh had been much ex-
tended. The plan of allowing in the mess a quantity of
groceries for lid. had been introduced into the camps at
home, in the Mediterranean, and the Cape; and he hoped
these alterations would lead to what might be called the
uniform sixpenny stoppage. (Hear.) As to the clothing, it
was proposed to issue instead of a tunic lined with serge, a
waistcoat with sleeves, and a tunic with lining; so that the
tunic would be suitable for both hot and cold weather. The
attention of the authorities had been directed to the simpli-
fication of the patterns for clothing. Of course it was evi-
dent that if the cloth manufactured for the army were only
of.a few qualities, they would get it better and cheaper than
if they had a greater variety. The clothing manufactories
at Pimlico were quite worthy of the inspection of any hon.
gentleman ; and it was remarkable with what rapidity
Colonel Hudson was enabled to complete any orders that
might be given him. (Hear.) The health of the army had
been exceedingly good during the past year. The mortality
calculated on by the noble lord at the head of the depart-
ment (Lord Herbert) had not been exceeded—in fact the
mortality for the year had been below the average. The
state of the army in China had been especially satisfactory.
For the first time a medical officer of rank, Staff-Surgeon
Brown, had been sent out for the purpose of making ar-
rangements for preserving the health of the troops ; and the
result had been thitthemortalityin China had not exceeded
that at Aldershott or any other of the stations in this coun-
try. (Cheers.) There had been instituted a medical school
at Chatham which he believed would prove of great value
to the army. The different warrants which had been issued
within the last few years had had the effect of drawing
into the service a much higher class of students; in fact
medical authority had observed that the army was attract•.
ing to it the best young men that were to be found in
the country. (Hear, hear.) There had been a reduction in
some of the staff appointments at home. Two commands
which had hitherto been in the hands of lieutenant-generals
had been reduced, and would now be entrusted to major-
generals—namely, the inspector-general of infantry and the
commanding officer of the Shorncliffe division. One major-
general had been altogether reduced, and brigadier-generals
had been substituted for five other major-generals. Other
reductions had also been made, and the committee would
therefore see that no opportunity for introducing econo-
mical changes was let slip. These reductions, he might
say, had received the cordial concurrence of his Royal
Highness the Commander-in-Chief. (Hear, hear.) He (the
hon. gentleman) might mention, also, that those officers
who had passed through the Staff College, and had gone
through the different arms of the service, had been em-
ployed on different staff appointments. (Hear, hear.) The
committee and the country would see that as there
were now officers qualified for staff appointments by
passing through the college and submitting to a high
examination in the scientific branches of the service,
any little jealousy which might formerly have existed
the number of staff officers would be very much removed;
and that as there were now on the staff some of our most
scientific and best officers, it would be necessary to give
them some practical opportunity of learning their duties,
and of qualifying themselves for active service. Formerly
majors appointed to the staff were put upon half-pay, but it
was now proposed that they should be "seconded" in their
regiments. There was also another alteration which would
be satisfactory to a great branch of the service—he meant
the artillery. Colonels of the Royal Artillery holding large
commands, such as Aldershott, would be placed by the side
of colonels on the staff with increased pay and allowances
than they now received. (Hear.) The plan recommended
by his Royal Highness the Duke of Cambridge last year, in
his evidence given before the 'commission for reorganising
the army, was to be carried out, and provision was made
for that purpose in the estimates. Every young gentleman
before he entered the army would pass a year at college,
where he would learn the practical elements of his pro-
fession. His education would be physical as well as mental,
so that when he joined his regiment he would be enabled
to enter on his duties at once instead of having to learn his
drill. This plan would very much do away with the neces-
sity of stationing young officers at depots, which was con-
sidered so objectionable by so many military authorities.
(Loud cheers.) There was an increase in the estimates of
£38,300 for yeomanry cavalry, which arose from the deter-
mination that had been arrived at to call them out this year
for drill. All those who were at all conversant with the
subject would be aware that unless the corps were called
out from time to time it would be impossible to prevent
them from falling through. (Cheers.) There was an in-
crease of £27,000 for the volunteers, that increase arising
in the item of pay and allowances to adjutants. He was
happy to say that there were no symptoms of the volun-
teer movement flagging in this ;country. (Hear, hear.)
There had been an increase in the year of 507 corps, and of
about 40,000 men. (Cheers.) At the present time
there were 217 battalions, of which 130 were adminis-
trative battalions formed by the union of other battalions for
every purpose except finance. The object of these unions
was to enable them to enjoy the services of an adjutant.
Many of the corps had reached a very high state of effi-
ciency; and some of them were quite qualified to act by the
side of regular troops. Amongst these none were more
prominent than a corps which was largely represented in
the house, that belonging to the Inns of Courts. (Cheers.)
In the course of the year there had been several splendid
reviews, which would be fresh in the recollection of hon.
members; and the general officers present had expressed
themselves much satisfied with the efficiency of the corps
preseni. (Cheers.) There was a small increase in the vote
for the War-office, amounting to £5,600. That simply
arose, with one exception, from the annual increase of
salaries. The composition of the office since its formation
had occupied the unceasing attention of the Government.
The intention was to place at the head of each department
a gentleman or an officer who was practically acquainted
with the business it had to transact, and who would be
brought in immediate contact with the Secretary of State,
who in turn would be responsible to Parliament. It was
proposed to appoint a director of ordnance, for whom a vote
would be taken this year. The accountant's department
would also be carefully revised, and the Accountant-
General would be made responsible for all the accounts.
(Hear.) He now cane to the materiel, the charges for
which were comprised under vote 6, for manufacturing es-
tablishments, vote 8 for wages, and vote 11 for warlike stores.
These votes for the year 1860-1 amounted to £3,327,322,
and for the year 1861-2 to £3,549,723, showing thus an
increase of £133,396. The Enfield rifle had been supplied
to all the troops at home and in some of the colonies. An
arm called the interchangeable rifle was also being intro-
duced. Tkis was an Enfield musket, all the parts of which
were in every case of one pattern; so that after an action, in
which a great number of small arms were always broken,
new muskets might be made up of the uninjured portions
of different weapons. Mr. W. Richards's cavalry car-
tridge
had been well reported of in India ; and preparations
were being made for another trial between the Whitworth
and the Enfield rifle. With regard to the Armstrong gun,
the right hon. gentleman (General Peel) was in error when
he supposed that the sum to be expended on this weapon
was only £460,000. In point of fact the appliances of
these guns cost almost as much as the gun itself, and the
sum really to be expended would be £BOO,OOO. At the be-
ginning of the present year we had only 169 Armstrong
guns issued for service, but by the end of it 776 would have
been proved, making a total of 945. He thought that this
was not a bad year's work, especially when that year had
been to a great extent an experimental one. He might
mention that the Narcissus, in which Sir B. Walker
had left for his station, was fully supplied with Armstrong
guns, and that provisions had been made in the estimates
of this year for the supply of 1,057 Armstrong guns of
the following calibre-330 100-pounders, 280 40-
pounders, 197 25-pounders, 250 12-pounders. The price of
the Armstrong guns had been much decreased, and the
manufacture of them at the Government 'works enabled
them to check the price at Elsecar. He would further re-
mark that the contractors had voluntarily come forward
and reduced the prices, and the 40-pounders, which used
to cost £350, now cost £285. The other sizes were reduced
in proportion. Then as regarded the ammunition, that was
likewise much reduced in price, as the experimental part
had ended. With reference to the strength of the guns it
would be satisfactory to know that the difficulties which had
arisen bad been by constant experiments overcome, and he
r considered that Sir William Armstrong was entitled to
great praise for the means which he had so successfully
adopted. A great deal had been said about the Arm-
strong guns which were sent to China, and which were
inferior to those which had since been made. Those guns
were hastily equipped, but the trials of those guns in China
were, upon the whole, eminently satisfactory, and there
was hardly any point which had been under the con-
sideration of the officers in China which had not really
been met before their reports were received at home. 119
would also observe that the manner in which those guns
were worked did the greatest credit to the officers in com-
mand, as well as to the men, because it was quite a new ser-
vice to them, and one which required time to become
accustomed to. (Hear.) He did not like to refer to state-
ments which appeared in the public press regarding matters
of this kind, but there had been a statement inserted in the
"Mechanic's Magazine" which purported to be extracted
from an officer's report, and therefore it deserved some
slight notice. It must be evident to all professional men that
that periodical had received erroneous information. The re-
port was not from any one of the officers serving in China.
The statement in effect was that the Armstrong guns, even

under the most favourable circumstances, could not be de-
pended upon, and wero obliged to be withdrawn at the most
critical time of the action, and that several casualties oc-
curred to the men. The article also alleged that the old ser-
vice guns had to be advanced in place of the Armstrong
12-pounders, which were pronounced generally inferior to
the French rifled gun for purposes of actual warfare. This
statement was said to have emanated from Major Hay, an
artillery officer in command of one of these batteries. Now)
the only foundation for such an allegation was, that occa-
sionally part of the lead stripped from the shells when fired.
No casualty occurred from this cause, but it was reported
that inconveniences might arise in firing over the heads of
our troops. There was not the slightest difficulty, however,
in meeting that defect, either by the use of zinc or by fixing
the lead to the shell in a kind of mortice. What Major
Hay really said was that, " On all occasions when required
the guns, their screws, &c., wore as clean, and in as good
working order, as when in ,England. . . . Their pre-
cision of fire, and the actual results obtained by them, can-
not for a moment be doubted. They were the admiration
of all." And, again, "As compared with our present guns
the superiority of the Armstrong guns is manifest ;" to
which he added that they were "superior to the French
guns in accuracy and rapidity of fire." Captain Milward
who was in charge of another battery, writing after the
disembarcation at Peh-tang,!reported all the guns to be " in
excellent preservation and fit for work," and added, "this is
the Bth time the battery has been embarked or landed since
leaving England, each time in boats, mounted and dis-
mounted, never once landed at a wharf, and at Odin-bay
landed in a surf. During the whole of these operations no
serious damage has occurred to guns or carriages." In
regard to the use of guns in actual service, the the same
officer wrote :
" The battery in action at Singho, on the 11th of August,
fired an average of 18 rounds per gun, at 1,200 and 450
yards, besides two shells at 2,100, all with the most excellent
effect. The concussion fuzes acted admirably; the practice
was entirely against cavalry in open order, and quite pre-
vented their forming for a charge, which they attempted
more than once. The effect of the shells was all that could
be desired ; the two fired at 2,100 yards dispersing a large
body of cavalry instantly."
And, again,—
" At the capture of the Peiho Forts (Aug. 21) the guns
and carriages stood the firing, which was rapid and continu-
ous, very well indeed. . . On the whole I can safely re..
port that little alteration for the better can be made in the
gun, which has acted in every respect up to my anticipa-
tions, both in travelling and firing."
(Hear, hear.) It was true that on two or three occasions
the vent pieces had been blown out. That was a serious de-
fect, but it did not prevent the gun continuing firing, and
this defect hadsince been remedied by Sir W. Armstrong in
the most simple manner, so that it was now renderedimpos-
sible for the future. (Hear.) The only other defect of any
consequence arose from the difficulty of manufacturing pro-
per fuzes, but this also had been satisfactorily met. (Hear.)
In point of strength the Armstrong gun had stood what he
believed was a perfectly unique test. A 12-pounder gun
was fired 200 times according to the following programme :
—lO rounds with service charge of lilb. of powder, and sin-
gle service shot of 121 b. ; 10 rounds with same charge and a
projectile equal to two service shot, 10 rounds same charge
and a projectile equal to three service shot; and so on,
gradually increasing up to 100 rounds, the last 10 of which
were fired with a projectile equal to 10 service shot, and of
such a length as to protrude several inches beyond the
muzzle. The second hundred rounds were fired with double
charges of powder, and with projectiles increasing as before,
' until they reached 10 times the weight of the service shot,
and again extended beyond the muzzle of the gun. The
gun remained uninjured to the last, and would be issued for
service. (Hear, hear.) A 40-pounder of the strengthened
pattern had also been tested in a similar manner, and had
endured without injury 100 rounds fired with service
charges, and:projectiles progressively increasing in weight
from 401 b. to 4001 b., the latter forming solid cylinders,
which filled the bore to within three inches of the muzzle.
These were tests which had never been stood by any gun
before, and the Ordnance Select Committee were, therefore,
right in saying, " It may be safely assumed, from the proof,
that the Armstrong 12-pounder possesses a degree of
strength far beyond any requirement of the service, and
that it is practically impossible to burst it by fair means."
It had been stated that a 100-pounder Armstrong gun that
was tried at Portsmouth had turned out a failure ; but this
was not correct ; the gun was not sent to Portsmouth to be
fired, as it had been somewhat injured by a shell bursting
at its mouth; but it so happened that it was fired, but it
was not as a trial. A similar thing happened to a 100-
pounder Armstrong gun at Shoeburyness, that had been
sent down without the proper ring round it. A rather ex-
traordinary experiment bad been recently made as to the
effect of shot upon the Armstrong gun. A 9-pounder can-
non was brought with 20 yards of an Armstrong gun and
an ordinary brass field- piece, and fired on them. The
Armstrong gun was smashed and the brass piece rendered
unserviceable. But as no batteries of artillery were ever
known to came within 20 yards of each other the experi-
ment had no practical value ; and as they were obliged to
, go within 20 yards of the Armstrong gun to hit it at all
it showed that it was very difficult to do so. An experi-
ment that had been made with an Armstrong gun and a
smooth-bore cannon against two Martello towers on the
Sussex coast had proved very satisfactory. Tho guns were
placed at the same distance against two Martello towers
of exactly the same construction, the smooth-bore piece
having the advantage in the weight of its shot. From the
Armstrong gun 170 rounds were fired, from the smooth
I bore 271. But in the tower against which the latter
was fired no practicable breach was made, but the wall
of the tower exposed to the fire of the Armstrong
gun was reduced to a complete ruin. He did not
think he had anything more to state with respect
to these pieces; but their adoption had added largely
to the vote for warlike stores and armaments. With
respect to the other stores, there had been a very large in-
crease of shot and shell, and it had been placed ready for
issue if it should be required for the service of the navy.
The cost of these guns and projectiles was of course very
large, and that was in addition to the increased pay of the
men, and the extra provisions made for their comforts, me-
dical accommodation, and other things. These expenses had
greatly increased during the past eight years. In 1852, 32-
pounders were used, then 68-pounders, which cost double
the price, and then came the Armstrongs, which cost twice
as much as them. As regarded muskets, the old Brown Bess
cost 305., while the Enfield cost from 655. to 60s. There
were not only more expensive arms in all branches of the
service, but the constant changes in them had been very
costly. After the whole of the army had been supplied
with the new rifle, he hoped the expenses would be gradu-
ally diminished. It must, however, be remembered, that so
long as other countries made improvements in arms for
warfare, this country must keep alongside with them. With
11 regard to the other votes, he would first observe that the
one for fortifications this year was estimated at £390,000,
being a nominal decrease of £47,000, the works for the pre-
sent year being very small. It would be more convenient to
refer to them when the vote came on for discussion. The
Secretary of State was of opinion that the expenses for forti-
fications should be kept as low as possible—merely obtaining
possession of the land for the present. The committee would
observe that there was a reduction in the estimates of £12,000
for barracks. On the other hand there was an estimate for
works for testing the Armstrong guns at Elsecar, for a new
school of gunnery at Shoeburyness, and one in Lancashire,
r which would be a great convenience to the volunteers in
the north of England. The improvements which had been
introduced in hospitals would be continued, and means
would be taken to give more amusement to soldiers in camp
and where large numbers were collected together. With
regard to the cost of the Ordnance survey, it was the inten-
tion of the Government to ask for the appointment of a com-
mittee to consider its progress, and in the meantime the
vote for this year would be diminished. He would now
read a few extracts from a report of some artillery officers
who were sent abroad to inquire into the condition of
foreign armies. They stated that although a few altera-
tions were in their opinion required in our military system,
the condition of foreign soldiers was very inferior to that of
our own. Voluntary enlistment, for instance, they regarded
as less burdensome than a conscription ; and in addition to
this our soldiers were better clothed and better fed than the
soldiers of either France, Sardinia, Austria, Russia, or
Prussia. He would now come to the question of the non-
effective votes. The commission of last session drew atten -
tion very forcibly to the inadequate sum paid by the Indian
Government to meet the dead weight charges borne by the
imperial exchequer. The commission was composed of offi -
cers selected by the Secretary for War, the Secretary kir
India, and the Treasury. They had recommended that
instead of the £60,000 per annum now paid by the Indian
Government, £3 10s. per man per annum should in future
be paid by that Government into the imperial exchequer.
That would supply a sum of £200,000 per annum in aid of
the imperial exchequer, which would not be an inadequate
sum. To that proposition the Secretary of State for India
in Council had agreed, and he believed it would be the duty
of the Chancellor of the Exchequer or of the Secretary to
the Treasury to introduce a bill in the course of the session
to give effect to that purpose. It was also proposed that in
order to get rid of the complicated accounts between the
India-office and the War-office, of which the right hon.
gentleman had justly complained, £lO per man should be
charged in lieu of various payments in detail. This would
save an enormous amount of unnecessary correspondence
and labour. This plan had also been accepted by the Secre-
tary of State for India in Council. Having gone through the
estimates to the best of his ability, he would now come to
general results. The net decrease of £185,795 was not the
real decrease upon these estimates. The real decrease was more.
In addition to the £185,795 must be taken a sum of £500,000,
the Indian credit upon the clothing and store notes. That
made a decrease of .£685,795. On the other hand, as the hon.
gentleman had pointed out, there is a sum of £390,000 for
fortifications, which is to be deducted. That made the real
decrease £295,795, or in round numbers £300,000. Having
concluded the observations he had to make, he had only to
state further that the estimates had been framed with every
regard to economy, consistently with the efficiency of the
public service. He did not think the house would consent
to a smaller number being on the military establishment
than was provided by the estimates, nor did ho think that
the house would consider that the arming of the navy with
the improved ordnance should be delayed a moment longer
than was necessary to arm the ships as perfectly as possible.
On the whole, he thought the committee would see that the
estimate was not larger than under the present circumstances

of the empire it was necessary for this house to provide for
the military service of 1861-2. (The hon. gentleman was
cheered by both sides of the house.)
Col. DUNNE thought the hon. gentleman had injudi-
ciously mixed up in one account the men engaged in India
and those on the home service. The hon. gentleman asked
for £40,000 for levy men for recruits. Each recruit required
about £7 9s. before he joined his regiment; but if. he re-
quired £lO the whole number would not cost more than
£20,000. Either the hon. gentleman wanted too much
money for recruiting, or he had too little for the payment
of the troops. He (Col. Dunne) had looked through the
estimates, and notwithstanding all the prejudices of his
profession in favour of giving the army all that they were
entitled to, he thought there was much room for reduction,
especially in the staff and civil departments. The vote of
£13,000 last year for supernumerary regiments had been in-
creased this year to £15,000. He saw no reason for this. He
thought the depot battalions should be red uced,an d that there
should be no stoppages horn the pay of soldiers for hospital
expenses, but that the soldiers should be made certain as to
the exact amount of his pay under all circumstances.
These stoppages led to the multiplication of accounts, and
induced much unnecessary expense. There was in the esti-
mates an item of £42,000 for the movement of troops. He
thought this was an enormous amount, considering that we
had our camps now, and that comparatively few move-
ments took place. As compared with the general expendi-
ture of our army in 1815, when we had to provide for up-
wards of 300,000 men, he thought the estimates were alto-
gether excessive. He had no objection to inspectors of
cavalry or directors of artillery, but he could not see the use
of a general inspector of the guards. (Hear, hear.) As
Lord Rokeby had retired with the perfect good will of every
one, it was high time that that office should be abolished.
Then there was the inspector of infantry, an office now
held by a distinguished officer, and one loved by the whole
army, but if depots were done away with, that officer would
not be required. If generals of districts could not inspect
a regiment, they were not competent for their present situ-
ation. (Hear.) Therefore, he felt that the staff should be
reduced. These were some of his preliminary objections to
these estimates. He hoped the Government would lay upon
the table of the house what it paid for the clothing of the
army. He believed that the Government really knew no-
thing whatever on this part of the subject. With respect to
the Armstrong guns, he could not understand exactly what
was the explanation that was made regarding this arm. He
wished also to know what had become of the rifles whioh
had been purchased for the army in 1852-53.
Mr. WILLIAMS said that there was not a country in
the world that was making an attack upon us, and yet
our military force exceeded the force of France. (Oh, oh,
and hear.) He was justified in saying this, for our military
force, including the Irish constabulary, amounted to
300,000 men, and deducting the gendarmes and the army in
Algeria, China, and other places,the French army at home
did not exceed 300,000 men; and our ships and guns were
double those of the French: It was now estimated that
the expense of the army for this year of peace would be
£14,600,000, and this did not include the expense of the
militia. In 1830 the estimate for the army, in the Duke of
Wellington's Administration, was £7,900,000; under Earl
Grey the expense of the army was £8,110,000 ; under Lord
Melbourne it was £7,800,000, while under the administra-
tion of the present Foreign Secretary, in 1851, it was
£8,823,000. The average for these seven years was
£6,600,000 a year. What then was the cause of this in-
crease in the estimates at a period like the present. Some
explanation was necessary, and he hoped it would be given.
The hon. gentleman after complimenting the volunteers for
coming forward in the present emergency, again expressed
his surprise at the increase in our army expenditure.
Colonel DICKSON said that every year the hon. mem-
ber for Lambeth seemed to extend his views with regard
to the amount of our army. Could anything be more ex-
traordinary than his statement that our army was equal to
that of France ? He (Colonel Dickson) was for an efficient
army, but he thought it ought to be maintained at the
lowest possible rate consistent with its efficiency. He could
see no reason whatever why, in 1853-1854, when on the eve
of a Russian war, the expenditure for 119,000 men should
be nine millions, and for 146,000 in the present year the
enormous sum of fourteen millions. That was an expendi-
ture beyond all proportion, and he must say was totally
unwarranted. The expenses of material were in the same
proportion, while those of the Commander-ins Chief's
offices exceeded that of 1854 by £BO,OOO. The expense of
each soldier in the present year was calculated at £lOO
a-head, while in 1854 it was but £75, and he wished to
know why it was there was such an enormous differencb.
He had, however, to express a hope that the cavalry would
not be reduced, because a cavalry soldier was a very ex-
pensive article, and should not be lightly done away with.
Hon. members opposite were calling out for reform, but
certainly if they continued voting these enormous sums of
money some change must take place in the constitution of
that house.
Mr. BARING, in reply, said there was no objection
whatever to the return of the clothing, asked by the gal-
lant member for Queen's County ; and as to what had
been said by the hon. and gallant member for Limerick,
he was surprised to find he was opposed to so excellent
an establishment as the Staff College for young officers.
He could assure him that he himself examined the dif-
ference between the estimates in 1853 and 1854, and those
of the present year. There were, in the first place, 24,000
men more this year, and between their pay, warlike stores,
and other necessaries, the additional expense on these
articles alone would be £2,200,000. There was a large
increase of £146,000 in the personnel of the army, and of
£580,000 for previsions. That, however, did not arise
from extravagance, but 'represented so much improvement
in the condition of the soldiers, representing the difference
between stoppages of 4id. instead of 6d. At a time when
the pay of agricultural labourers was increasing, if
they did not give some corresponding benefit to the soldier,
what would become of voluntary enlistment ? In conclu-
sion he had only to express his hope that the house would
be willing to give its ready attention to these estimates,
in order that they might be proceeded with without any
unnecessary delay, and he desired to have the vote moved
agreed to that night.
Mr. HENLEY said the hon. gentleman the Under-
Secretary for War said they had no right to look back to
what the expenses for the army were a few years ago ; but
the hon.- member, lumping one branch of the service with
another, contrived to throw dust in the eyes of the country.
The increased expense was great, and they had in that
way a difference of nearly £5,000,000 to account for. The
increase of men was by no means more than it ought to
be ; indeed, he did not think they had one man too
many; but what he complained of was the vastly in-
creased expense they were year after year entering
into; and this they might depend upon—that if
they went on in that way, the country would cry
out against it, and call upon the house to reduce the
number of men. That was what he was afraid
of. He apprehended that the country would get sick of
it. Looking through the estimates, -he found in almost
every item an increased expense. The only item in
which he saw a saving, was that of fortifications ; but he
saw, that while the expenses increased 60 per cent., the
efficiency of the men increased only 21 or 22 per cent.
Lord PALMERSTON was glad to find hon. and gallant
members agree that the number of men was not greater
than the interests of the country demanded. (Hear, hear.)
Well, then, this they understood, that a very great number
of men covered in a great degree the aggregate expense.
Then, again, every one he thought was agreed that as the
improvements, in the scientific branches of gunnery in-
creased, so also must the expenses increase in proportion--
that was to say, great impro cements in cannon and muskets,
and the consequent charges for material, were in them-
selves alone a cause of very great and necessary expense.
He thought, then, that they would find the great bulk
of the expense was, as he said, owing partly to the
great increase in the number of men, and partly to the
improvements in the implements of war. Besides that,
hon. gentlemen ought to bear in mind that not many ses-
sions had passed lately in which hon. members had not
proposed changes, no doubt good in themselves, but which
were expensive. One member, for instance, proposed an
improvement in the barrack accommodation ; another
said the clothing of the army was inferior in quality, and
ought to be improved ; another member found fault with
the hospitals as not keeping paco with the improved sana-
tory science of the day. (Hear, hear.) But all these
changes, good though they might be, tended to increase
the estimates, although no doubt the additional charges
had been well and properly incurred. But they had been
told that the increase in the civil charges for the manage-
ment of the army had of late also been most unnecessarily
and extravagantly increased. Upon that point he would
simply say that when they came to that portion of the esti-
mates it would be perfectly competent for the committee to
deal with it, and if extravagance could be shown to reduce
the estimate. But the amalgamation of the different depart-
ments formerly existing under separate heads, and the
abolition of the divided authority, which was so great an
evil, had, in his opinion, largely contributed to the efficiency
of the public service, and any temporary increase, while in
a state of transition, ought to be acquiesced in, when it was
known that the military service of the country was never in
a more efficient state than it was at present.
Mr. MONSELL said the noble lord had not answered
the real complaint, namely, the constant and alarming in-
crease in the amount of these changes, and for the sake
of the service itself they ought to guard against the inevita-
ble reaction which must come. (Hear, hear.) He would
admit that the number of men to be voted this year might
be necessary, but for many years this had been going on,
especially in the manufacturing departments. There must
be now an enormous accumulation of these means at Wool-
wich after the enormous expenditure of past years for the
purpose of turning out the weapons required, and yet they
were called upon to vote £200,000 or £260,000 more for
these establishments. They ought to know what was the
actual state of these establishments in order to prevent a
revulsion of feeling which would leave them without money
for these purposes. (Hear.)
Vote agreed to.
A vote of £146,044 men was then proposed.
Col. DUNNE having said a few words, the vote for the
number of men was agreed to.
£4,780,000 pay and allowances.
Col. DUNNE moved that the committee report progress.
Lord PALMERSTON hoped that the house would not

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BIRTHS.
MAUNSELL.—On the 13th inst., at 12, Lower Belgrave-at.,
Eaton-square, the wife of Commander Eyre Maunsell,
R.N., of a daughter,
SRERIDAN.—On the 13th inst., at Benefield House, Ful-
ham, the wife of R. B. Sheridan, Esq., M.P., of a
daughter.
VALLETORT.—On the 14th inst., at 23, Wilton-eresoent,
the Lady Katharine Valletort, of a daughter.