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fullest examination of his measures. I hope most sincerely
that we shall n. tbe put to the trouble of a division, and
that the noble lord at the head of the Government will feel
that it is for his own honour and that of the house that this
debate should be adjourned. (Cheers.)
Lord PALMERSTON—I must adroit that theright hon.
gentleman had made a very convincing speech, but the con•
viction that it has brought to mind is the very opposite of
the conclusion to which he would have us arrive. (A laugh.)
If I understood the right hon. gentleman rightly, he does
not intend to dispute the part of the budget connected
with the income-tax, nor does he intend to revive the ques-
tion of the tea duties, nor will ho object to the repeal of
the paper duties. (Mr. Disraeli intimated his dissent )
The right hon. gentleman stated that these matters had
been decided—("No I")—and that on the resolutions of the
house the duties had been levied as a matter of course. The
right hon. gentleman has not announced any amendment
or any intention of objecting to the second reading, but he
has simply stated that he wishes for discussion. The right
hon. gentleman criticises the statement that no issue has
been raised. But I say that no issue has been raised.
(Cheers.) There has been a long debate, but no one has
announced any intention of opposing the second reading.
The only question is whether those who object in general
to the financial arrangements of the Government, or
whether those who object to combine the financial measures
in one measure, shall have an opportunity of fairly discuss-
ing the matter. My right hon. friend has correctly stated
that there will be many occasions of discussing these points.
There will be first the motion, sir, for your leaving the
chair to go into committee. On that occasion there will be
a full opportunity of discussing all the details of the general
financial arrangements of my right hon. friend. On the
other hand, those who object to the arrangement by which
all the financial proposals are placed in one bill, might make
their objections in committee on the bill. Therefore, I must
say we have heard no reason for the adjournment of the
debate. (Cheers.) If indeed it could be said that the second
reading was opposed—if notice of some amendment bad
been given, and if it could be alleged that members hadhad
f.;o opportunity of stating their reasons, that might be a rea-
sea for adjourning this debate. But, as we are all agreed
that the second reading is to pass without a division—(op-
position cries of "Oh I")—silence gives consent, and as
every one is silent in regard to any oppositien to the second
reading, I am entitled to assume that no such intention
exists. (Oh, oh I and cheers.) That being the case, I shall
certainly object to the adjournment. (Cheers.)

Mr. NEWTIEGATE agreed that the house was now in a
moat awkward position; but who had caused it? He objected
to the form of this Supply Bill as touching the privileges
of this house. The house was now suffering the incon-
venience of having all these proposals consolidated in
one Bill. If they had been submitted severally, there
would not have been this delay. As it was, the privileges of
the house had been invaded. The object of the Govern.
ment was to make every financial question a question of
confidence in the Government and against such a mode of
coercing the House of Commons ho would protest. (Hear.)
The house then divided, when the numbers were—
For the adjournment .. 161
Against it
Majority... .

Mr. BENTINCK said they had often heard that a bad
cause made a bad advocate, and he was bound to say he did
not think it possible that any combination of circumstances
could have made the noble lord (Palmerston) so bad an ad-
vocate as he had shown himself to be in this case. (Hear.)
The noble lord's argument amounted to this—that they
were to prejudge their decision without discussing it. He
seemed to think that, because no public notice had been
given of a determination to oppose the second reading, iv,
debate ought to take place upon it. He demurred to tha:
reasoning, and moved that the house do now adjourn.
(Divide, divide.)
Lord PALMERSTON was sorry that he was so bad an
adv,cate, but was somewhat consoled by the result of the
division. (Laughter.) If the hon. member meant to take
the sense of the house upon the second reading of the bill
he could not have a better opportunity of doing so than the
present—(a laugh)—as there was not likely to be so full a
house upon any future occasion. If he thought that by op-
posing the adjournment he was precluding members from
the fullest discussion of the bill, he would willingly bow to
the wishes of the minority, but ample opportunities would
occur hereafter for discussing the measure, and he therefore
felt himself bound to oppose the adjournment. (Cries of
Divide.)
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER was sur-
prised to hear the right hon. gentleman (Mr. Disraeli) say
that the public interests could not suffer by delay. Labori-
ous and troublesome processes were to be gone through
before the new assessment for the income-tax could be
made, and if delay took place it would be difficult to get
those processes completed so as to collect the income-tax
for the year within the year. (Hear, hear.) It was there-
fore true that an unusual time had been occupied, and oc-
cupied for the most part in a discussion in which no issue
had been raised—in which no challenge had been given to
the house ; and it was true, on the other hand, that an
injury was done both to the revenue and the trade
of the country by the prolonged uncertainty consequent on
the continuance of these debates. (Hear, hear.)
A division then took place on the question, " That this
House do now adjourn."

For the adjournment
Against .... " • •
Majority

Colonel DICKSON had watched this debate with much
interest. The subject was a very important one, and one
on which they could not too long dwell. (Laughter, and
" Hear, hear.") He must protest against the appeal made
by the Chancellor of the Chancellor when the right hon.
gentleman said that it was for the convenience of the
State that they should close this debate. (Hear, hear.)
That was an argument which the right hon. gentleman
had no right to bring forward; for he should have con-
sidered all the consequences before he introduced his
Budget, which was a most detrimental one to the interests
of the country, and especially to the interests of Ireland.
He begged leave to move the adjournment of the debate.
(" Oh I oh I" and " Hear.")

Lord PALMERSTON said—lt is usele.s, I know, to
persist (cheers) when gentlemen are determined to
prevent measures fi otn being proceeded with at this hour
(1 o'clock). As those who t ucceed will be entitled to the
glory of the conflict, I beg to second the motion.
(Laughter and cheers.)
The debate was accordingly adjourned to Thursday next.

SUPPLY.
The report was brought up and agreed to.
SALMON FISHERIES (SCOTLAND) BILL.

In reply to an hon. MEMBER,
The LORD-ADVOCATE said, as this was a measur€
which would require discussion, it was proposed to take ii
on Thursday week, at a morning sitting. (Loud cries o:
(" Oh, oh 1")
EDINBURGH ASSESSMENTS BILL.

This bill passed through committee.
The Landed Property Improvement, &c. (Ireland) Bill
was read a second time.
The Combination of Parishes Dissolution (Scotland) Bill
went through committee.
The Markets (Ireland) Bill was read a second time, and
ordered to be referred to a select committee.
The house adjourned at halt-past 1 o'clock.

Mr. Charles L. Wilson, the newly-appointed
United States Secretary of Legation in London, arrived in
the steamer Fulton, at Southampton, on Thursday, and is
now staying at Morley's Hotel. Mr. Wilson has been for
some years the editor of a leading political journal in Illi-
nois, and is an intimate personal as well as a political friend
of President Lincoln.

RAILWAY COMMITTEES.—Yesterday the com-
mittee of the Lords, Viscount de Vesci in the chair, passed
the bill of the Lancashire and Yorkshire for their proposed
branches to Shawforth and other places. In the case of
the Bootle branch, Mr. Rodwell, Q.C., appeared for Lord
Derby, who requires tie insertion of some clauses affecting
his estates. In the Commons the opposition of Lord Rad-
nor and Gen. Hankey to the South-Eastern Railway Com-
pany's Folkestone Harbour Bill occupied the day, and gene-
ral evidence was adduced on the Devon Central Railways
in that committee. The case of the Colne Valley and Hal-
stead Railway for a lino of 16 miles from Haverill to Cam-
bridge, and other extensions, was opened, and Sir John
M'Neil, C.E., was examined in the committee on the Cork,
Blarney, and Macroon Railways. The committee on the
Birmingham Improvement Bill closed their inquiry by
passing that measure.

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