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London, England, 1861-07-30 00:00:00

JECTS ABROAD, &c., BILL.

On the motion of Sir F. KELLY, the house went into
committee on this bill.

After some discussion, in which Lord Palmerston, Sir
G. Bowyer, Sir H. Cairns, Mr. Bovill, and the Attorney..
General took part, the clauses were agreed to, and the bill
passed through committee.
PROSECUTIONS EXPENSES BILL.

On the order of the day for the adjcurned debate on this
bill,

Sir G. C. LEWIS said this bill was introduced to satisfy
the northern counties, but it did not ssatisfy them, and
amendments had been proposedrythiel44rild alter the bill
materially. lie moved that the%rder DV-discharged, •:;
The order was discharged according/lk„ •

CORRUPT PRACTICES PREVENTION
CONTINUANCE BILL.
This bill passep through committee.
COUNTY SURVEYORS, &c., IRELAND BILL.
The Lords' amendments to this bill were agreed to.

PUBLIC WORKS (IRELAND) (ADVANCES AND
REPAYMENTS OF MONEYS) BILL.
The Lords' amendments to this bill was agreed to.
LANDED ESTATES IRELAND ACT (185 S)
AMENDMENT BILL.

The remaining clauses of this bill passed through com.

mittee.

TREASURY CHEST FUND.
This bill passed through committee-
METROPOLITAN POLICE DISTRICT RECEIVER

BILL.
This bill passed through committee.
PAROCHIAL OFFICES BILL,
Mr. VILLIERS, in moving the second reading of this
bill, said it was intended to authorise overseers of the poor
to build or pay the rent of ef6v,es out of the poor rate in
populous places. i •
The bill was read a second time.
LOCAL GOVERNMENT SUPPLEMENTAL
(No. 2) BILL.
This bill was read a second time.
OFFICERS OF RESERVE (ROYAL NAVY) BILL.

Lord C. PAGET said that the intention of this bill was
to bring officers of the merchant service into the Royal
navy, and enroll them as officers of the Royal navy reserve
under certain conditions and stipulations, in pursuance of a
desire frequently expressed by them. The bill provided a
variety of regulations under which their admission would
take place as captains, or comman ers, or captains of small
vessels, after sufficient assurances had been taken of their
competency to undertake the duties that would be imposed
upon them. The wishes of the merchant navy officers, as
expressed at a meeting which they had held in the city, had
been carefully considered, and the bill had undergone cor-
responding modifications. As far as he knew, the regula-
tions will now be regarded as perfectly satisfactory, and
indeed there was only one difficulty and that was with re-
gard to rank. On that point, however, the rule could not be
departed from, that officers of the navy must take prece-
dence of the corresponding rank in the reserve. The lieu-
tenants would rank with the lieutenants of the navy, and
of that they need not be ashamed. There would, he was per-
saaded be no clashing between the two parts of the service,
and. in the event of war, an important accession of strength
would accrue to the navy. They proposed to make young
merchant officers go through a course of gun-drill on join-
ing. They desired also that gun-drill might be established
on board the merchant ships themselves, so that en joining
the officers might bring their men with them, in many in-
stances, ready trained, and in that way they hoped to get a
very powerful reserve. At Liverpool there was now a naval
establishment, where 100 young gentlemen of high respec-
tability were being prepared for the naval service. Not
only were they instructed in astrondmy and navigation,
but also in gun-drill, and he believed they were quite
equal to the cadets of the naval school at Portsmouth.
The moment those young men came into the service

they would be able to perform the duties of officers of
ships of war. Such an institution ought to be,
and was encouraged by the Admiralty. He hoped that, by
this bill, the old antagonism that had divided the Royal
Navy and the merchant service would be broken through,
and he had every confidence that the officers who would
thus be added to the navy would distinguish themselves as
many had done before them who had been in the'merehant
service.

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o
Admiral WALCOTT, while giving all credit to the noble
lord for the motives and objects which had induced him to
bring in this bill, objected to it that it could not be relied
upon as a means of strengthening the staff of officers of the
navy at the moment of the outbreak of a war, or in any
sudden emergency. The naval officer entered the service in
early life, and had to undergo the most arduous training to
entitle him to promotion. He had to serve in all climates,
away from his family and friends. The officers of the mer-
cantile navy were placed in far more independent positions,
had less dangers and fatiguing service abroad, and a better
1 chance of pecuniary success. If, then, in the ease of a war,
these latter were to be placed as lieutenants in the navy,
what was to become of masters in the navy, whose promo-
tion would thereby be stopped ?
notli bre. pAr.oeSeel‘dieldT SMITH i
tsha.i d
Wehe hhopaded
already t k t this"sn bill
o rwmoouLds
establishment of various grades, and what was wanted for
lieutenants amounted to 1,859, and he saw no reason why
numbert heR oy aelnNthavye
sewttaysonloisttsoolmeaupchtaom.ffizecrosmasmamnedner.s, The
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ththeisl,estsheeyffihciaedntthoeffiocffiercseorsf
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service.
totalnaum be rosf nearly
th t
h3e , OnOnOmbe officers.e f 0 If e theys
it would be found that we had quite
vyieseh.oußlcie.tsaidkees
atcl the
list,
sufficientFredwhe in.cehhtshuhe madepser; of officers
war without having recourse to this new naval reserve. It
appeared that these officers of the Royal naval reserve were
not to live on board during the month's period cd• drill. The •
hon. member proceeded to point out further objections he
entertained to the bill, and said he never knew of a scheme
which promised less chance of success. He then referred
to various portions of the document which was addressed
to Lord Hardwicke, upon which this scheme was founded.
He was of opinion that the whole plan would lead to large
and unnecessary expenditure, and prove an utter failure.
The scheme, so far from proving advantageous to the offi-
cers of the mercantile marine, would create much jealousy
and ill-feeling. There had been already too much Govern-
mental interference with the mercantile marine, instead of
allowing them to manage their own affairs. He would move
that the bill be read a second time this day three months.
Admiral DUNCOMBE said the officers of the Royal
tiavy who entered young, and were subjected to severe
drill and exact discipline, were not so well remunerated for
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s think
chFecoc
h°lll.
alimd d
been
passed on the
their services as those of the mercantile marine. Thist
was
was brought in at so late a period of the sessionisns that i
He could
impossible to adequately consider itsitpry
his support.
not, under the circumstances, give
de-
serving of the support o
Mr. HANKEY
mercantile marine to enter
should be given to officers of the merca •
approved
fthe of
house. the bill,Every
the navy. (Hear, hear.)
thconesibidliel
evoyf the noble lord.
ration. was
a subjectnot thati os
deservedd t o o
the eimt en
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taken place favourable to the
sElhhmNhaeemtadi
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went Ned a
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subject last year,louse
there was a string of amendments to
alter and
of Lords, be adiled in
this house•
ect:maetia:egdh it
T said it was impossible
to frame, a mea-
sure for the management of the navy that would not be
liable to require amendments made to it, and as regarded
the amendments
to be made to the measure -
before. the house
they were only verbal amendments.
Clauses up to 44 inclusive vsere agreed to.
On elause 45,
Mr. HENLEY wished to ask the noble lord whether
there was any power to commute t of death
the punishmen
on foreign stations. As he read the clause, anthe
d two sub-
sequent clauses, he saw nothing to show that the Com-
mander-in-Chief had
such
Lord C. PAGET powq.
said if the right hon. gentleman would
look to clause 50, 1, —e would, he thought, find the power
provided for ; but if it was not, he would introduce a clause
to provide for such power.
The clause was accordingly agreed to ; as were clauses
40 to 49 inclusive.
On clause 50,
Lord C. PAGET said the object of this Clause was to
empower lieutenants in the navy to sit on courts .martial,
and that the courts do not, on such occasions, comprise more
than five.
The clause was agreed to, as were clauses 51 to 63 inclu-

sive.
Clause 64,, empowering the court-n iartial to send
offenders to n common gaol on a foreign s tation, and there
to be kept to hard labour, was amended ton the suggestion
of Mr. Henley, and ordered to stand part of the bill, as were
clauses 64 to 67 inclusive,
The remaining clauses were agreed to, the house resuend,
and the Chairman reported the bill as amended.
NEW SPAPERS
This bill woos read a third time an& passed.
The Lords' amendments to the Attorneys and Solicitor'
(Ireland) Bill, and to the White Herring Fishery (Scot -
land) Bill, w( :re considered and agreed to.
The house then adjourned at 2,5 nkinutes Past .12 o'cloe

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THEATRE-BC TAT), EtAYM.,4....IIKET,
Lessee, Mr. J. B. Bit3kStOrte.
Tr IS EVENING, the performances will oornrnent.e with
a new Ballet, BACCHUS AND ARIADNE. Miss Fanny
Wright, the Leclercqs, Mr. Webster, &c.
After which, a new Comedy, entitled MY LOKD AND
MY LADY ; or, It Might have been Worse. Mr. C. Mathews,
Mr. Andrews, Mr. Buckstone, Mrs. Charles Mathews, Mrs.
Wilkins, Sic.
Followed by COOL .AS A CUCUMBER. Mr. Charles
Mathews.
To conclude with TURNING THE TABLES.
Commence at 7.

RO Y 11, PRINCESS'S THEATRE.-
Lessee and Manager, Mr. A. Harris.

For the Benefit of Miss 111. Harris.
THIS EVENING, THE TWO POLTS. Messrs. Widdi-
combe, Cathcart, Miss R. Leclercq, dr.c.
Followed by THE CORSICAN BROTHERS. Messrs.
Fechter, A. Harris, Meadows, Miss Murray, Miss R. Leclerq,
and Mrs. Weston.
To conclude with THE FIRST NIGHT. Mr. A. Harris,
and Miss Maria Harris.

NEW THRATRE-ROYAL ADELPHI.-
Sole Proprietor and Manager, Mr. B. Webster.
Reproduction of the great drama of "The Dead Heart."
THIS EVENING, the great Adelphi drama, THE DEAD
HEART. Messrs. B. Webster, J. L. Toole, Fisher, Billing-
ton, Eburne, Smith, Romer Miss Woolgar and Miss Kate
Kelly.
To conclude with (13th time) THE PRETTY HORSE-
BREAKER. Mr. J. L. Toole, Mr. Paul Bedford; Miss K.
Kelly, Miss Woolgar, Miss E. Thorne, Miss Laidlaw, and
Mrs. Chatterley,
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vacant by the disfranchisement of Sudbury and of

St. Albans is now proposed to be distributed ac-

cording to the wishes of the Conservative Oppcsi-
tion, and not according to the wishes of the Liberal
Government Substitute the sub-division of York-

shire (in the manner proposed) for the creation of a

sort of Siamese borough of Chelsea and Kensington,

retaining at tke same time the suggestion of a
new member for Birkenhead, and a new member,
a kind of unicorn member for South Lancashire, and

—no wonder the Tories evidence a willingness to

look upon the Ministerial scheme, when thus modi-
fied with a certain degree of complacency ! What

says . Lord DERBY upon the subject ? Why, the
noble earl speaks as plainly as words could possibly
put it. He says, in a strain of quiet irony, quite
amusing in its way, " I suppose I may assume that
it is not the intention of her Majesty's Government
to accede to the suggestion of the noble baron (Lord
STRATIIEDEN to wit, as will be seen presently) of
referring this bill to a select committee, which
cannot possibly sit before the month of August.
And for my own part I never recollect a bill for
which there appeared less reason to :refer it to the
consideration of a select committee. The facts
are plain and not disputed. There are no very
complicated details of arrangement, which can
be more conveniently settled in a select
committee. It is a bill of a very plain
and straightforward character, which can be
perfectly well discussed in your lordships' house.
For my own part I have no fault to find with it.
improved by the mani-
-1 I think it has been greatly

which it has undergone in its progress
through n the House of Commons, and which I give
the Government credit for having sanctioned with
the most exemplary resignation." All this being said
recollect ! as a mere matter of course by the noble
earl, the head of her MAJESTY'S Opposition! Lord
DERBY sees quite clearly before him the fair pros-
pect presented to his :party by this measure for
furthering the interests of Conservatism. And,
therefore—reasonably enough on his part—he de-
precates very earnestly the notion of referring the
bill in this new form to a select committee
as proposed last evening—we cannot but think
most wisely proposed—by Lord STRATHEDEN. It
should be remembered especially that in offering
this suggestion Lord STRATHEDEN did so as a
zealous Reformer, as a supporter of the Liberal
Government. And that Lord DERBY rejected the
proposition on the contrary as a Tory Statesman
as the Leader of the Conservative Opposition.
Lord STRATHEDEN said truly last evening, towards
the close of his argumentative speech, explanatory of
his reasons for proposing the reference to the Bill to
a Select Committee, that the only consolation to be
offered to baulked constituencies like those of Chel-
sea and Kensington is literally (as he proposes) to
keep the vacancies suspended. And haste in this
matteris surely in no aay to be regarded as impera-
tively requisite. The Government of the Empire
can very well be carried on without at once comple-
ting that mysterious total 658, set down, for some
occult reason yet to be explained, as the all-essential
aggregate of the House of Commons. Precluded,
though Lord STRATHEDEN was by circumstances
from carrying his amendment, constrained though
he was to withdraw it towards the close of yester-
day's discussion, we cannot at any rate regret for
one instant that the proposition was submitted to
the House of Lords : rejoiced as we are that it
afforded one at least of our patrician reformers the
opportunity of raising his voice, earnestly though
vainly, against the precipitate carrying through
Parliament of a so-called Liberal Bill for the appro-
priation of four seats—three out of the four of
which will, in all human probability, run a very
imminent risk of being appropriated by the Con-
servatives !

General CIALDINI and Baron RICASOLI do not
mean to trifle with their work. The Baron, with
good reason, pointed all Europe to the £20,000,000
unanimously voted by the Chambers to the capital
account of Italian liberty and unity. Money is the
test in this mercenary world of ours. When the
League had fairly started their £lOO,OOO subscrip-
tion, Sir ROBERT PEEL and Lord JOHN RUSSELL
thought it time to haul down their colours. The
£100,000,000 voted by the North in America will
probably do more than even the vote of men to
dishearten the straitened Southerns ; and Austria,
haughty as she is just now towards Hungary, may
ask herself whether she could get a loan of twenty
millions unanimously voted by deputies from every
part of her dominions, and taken up with confidence.
The loan is unmistakeable evidence that all Italy
is hearty in standing by the Union, and that she
gives her confidence to the Sovereign she has chosen,
and to the servant he has chosen as the representa-
tive of a bold policy. The interpretation of the
lonn is the speeeh of RICASOLI; it proclaims that
Italy means to have Rome for its capital, and will
find a way to Venice.

But, in his department, General CIALDINI is
emulating the boldness of the Baron. He has
pledged himself to the suppression of the brigands,
and he goes the right way to work with the evil.
The fables of his, cruelties have soon come to an
end. He deals summarily only with those who
carry the verdict of guilty on their persons. No
one will deny that when bands of armed men are
patrolling a country, and killing and plundering
everywhere, the obvious duty of a Government is
to shoot every armed man who has not the KING'S
commission. This is the head and front of his
offanding; and, were we peaceful residents in the
district, we may be sure we should be the first
to applaud his order. But he has now shown
that he has as much moral as military courage.
The Cardinal Archbishop of Naples has been allowed
true,
to remain on his
hehas
good behaviour ; but, if the accusa-
tion be
abused the forbearance of the
King to become
liats 7t.,
b o
ut f
c courseiALp
with others a member of a great
iwme
believesmu st
he
awaite hasth the
I eßvoiudrebnocne coofnhsipsirl guilt,
at least a prima facie ease, and has arrested him.
1 This is the right and manly course. It is notorious
that the brigands have been made
use of by the
Papal Government to harass the King, that Roman
territory, and money too, if report is to be believed,
have been at their service. It has been subject of
formal complaint at n Tari , and
practically confessed
bylthe French General in command at Rome. we
a manly and politic
must regard it, therefore a 3
r, in promoting
course to lay hold on the grand agents
civil disturbance, and not merely to punish the
y.
illiterate and desperate men whom they employ.
The Papal Government and FRANCIS 11. have at
least done Austria some service, if they have
achieved nothing for themselves. The tone of the
EMPEROR towards his Hungarian Diet has been,
in great part, due to the disturbances created by
the disbanded soldiers in the South by their in-
stigation and help. Had CIALDINI been free to
face old BENEDEK on the Po with the entire
Italian army, although there might have been no
fighting this year, FRANCIS JOSEPH, and his Ger-
mans, would have shown a little more caution. They
must not, however, calculate on too long immu-
nity. CIALDINI does not mean the Southern
troubles to be long ones; he will mobilize the
National Guard before long to the extent needed ;
and, meantime, his men are acquiring a training
which parade drill can never give. After some