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to discover where such property was situate, and what
was done with it.

The LORD CHANCELLOR said the proposal should
be made on the discussion of the bills.

Lord ABINGER, atter a few words, withdrew his
motion.

MINISTERS' MONEY (IRELAND) DILL.

On the order for going into committee on tbis bill,

The Earl of CLANCARTY analysed the divisio'n
which took place on the second reading of the bill, and
denounced the system by which the judgment of 230
peers assembled in solemn deliberation had been super-
seded and reversed by the proxies which had been used.
lie should be very sorry to see the system of proxies
abolished, because he believed that under some circum-
stances it was very valuable ; but he thought it was a
very anomalous thing that in this way the' judgment of
230 peers in solemn deliberation shouid be reversed. It
was especially to be condemned in a case of this kind
when the object of the bill wax the spoliation of the pro-
perty of the church. He thought it was far too grave a
matter for persons who were not present during such a
donate to take upon themselves to advise her Majesty
respecting it. lie complained that during the whole of
his speech, the Earl Granville turned his back to the
opposition, but addressed himself entirely ito his own
friends. More than that, he never once turned his face
to the Lord Chancellor, the keeper of the Queen's con-
science. (L .ughter.) He moved as an amendment that
the house do go into committee on the bill this day six
months.

The Earl of DERBY could not go with the nrguments
of the noble lord, because it would affect the system of
voting by proxy, and because be thought the argument
of the noble lord aimed at this, that proxies should be
given to one side and not to the other. (Laughter.) He
did not think that the decision of the house would have
been different if the peers who bad voted by proxy had
been present, for on looking over the proxy papers, he
was bound to say that he never saw a set of peers loss
likely to be convinced by any arguments that might have
been used. (Laughter.) While he (the Bad of Derby)
retained all the objections to the bill he had recently ex-
pressed, he should not offer any further opposition to its
progress. He could not conceive that any course of
proceeding could be more calculated to shake confidence
in all parliamentary titles than the bill now before the
house, violating as it did an indubitable right of pro-
perty which had existed for 20G years. (Hear, hear.)
The bill not only indemnified those who had violated the
law, thus rewarding those who had ♦iolated the law,
and punishing those who had.
,obeyed it on account of
their obedience.

Earl GRANVILLE thought the course taken by
the noble earl was perfectly consistent and judicious.
He thought also it was for the interests of the Church of
Ireland to purchase peace by such a trifling sacrifice of
revenue, which could easily be made up by very slight
economy.

The Rarl of CLA.NCARTY said he could not divide
the house on his amendment.
The Earl of WICKLOW moved that the Ecclessias-
tical Commission of Ireland be heard by counsel at the
bar against the bill.

The Earl of ABERDEEN supported the measure.
After some further conversation, in which the Duke
of Irgyll, the Bishop of Kilmore, Earl Donoughmore,
and Lord Dungannon took part, the bill passed through
committee.

SMOKE NUISANCES (SCOTLAND) BILL.
The amendments to this bill were agreed to, and the
house adjourned at ten minutes after nine o'clock.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.—(YESTERDAY.)
The SPEAKER took the chair at four o'clock.
NEW MEMBER.

Mr. PIIGII took the oaths and ins seat for Carmarthen,
in the room of Mr. Davies, deceased.
PRIVATE BUSINESS.

The East Kent Railway (Extension to Dover), Herne
Bay and Faversham Railway, Keith and Dufftown Rail.
way (No. 2), Metropolitan New Streets and Improve.
manta, Portadown and Dungannon Railway, Portsmouth
Water, South Durham and Lancashire Union Railway,
and West Hartlepool Harbour and Railway Bills, were
read a third time and passed.

The Bury Gas ; Cannock Mineral Railway (No. 1) ;
Deeside Extension Railway ; Langport, Somerton, aad
Castle Cary Roads ; Manchester Corporation ; Monk-
land Railways ; Slaney River Improvement ;
Stamford and Essendine Railway, Stockton New Gas
and Stockton Gas Consumers' Companies, Victoria Gas,
Victoria (London) Docks, and Sittingbourne and Sheer-
ness Railways Bills were further considered, and ordered
to be read a third time.

Ley's divorce ; Smith's divorce, and Westminster
Improvements bills were read a second time.

PETITIONS.