The Sun.
London, England, 1861-09-04 00:00:00

THE SUN, LONDON, WEDNESDAY P3VENING, SEPTEMBER 4, 1861

their construction and intended uses that a special
rig should be designed for them. Three masts,
it is confessed, will not spread sufficient canvass
to enable these monsters to beat off a lee shore
in a gale. Yet somehow a fourth mast is objected
to as an innovation, as if all these iron frigates were
not the most stupendous innovations that naval
men have welcomed since the introduction of
steam. When our line-of-battle ships were only
150 ft. tong three masts were crammed into them,
and now that we are building them 400 ft. long
only three masts are allowed. The Defence and
Resistance, however, have iron masts, but the
Warrior and Black Prince, which need them ten
times more, have wooden spars. On all the new
ships there is to be an iron tower on the spar deck,
crenelated for musketry, in case of an enemy
boarding. It is rumoured that the noble Secre-
tary to the Admiralty got this hint from a
visit to the French iron frigate Invincible, build-
ing at Toulon. It is capable of improvement,
however, if, in addition to the loopholes for
rifles, two small ports are cut at the base for short
carronades, which, with a single charge of
canister, would do more to sweep the decks than
the fire of a dozen riflemen. The sterns of the new
vessels will be what is called "pink" sterns, that is,
instead of being round and full, like that of the
Warrior, will come to a fine
.wedge-shaped point,
almost similar to the bows of a fast-going iron
packet. By adopting this shape the number of
armour plates required to coat it is reduced by at
least a third, while the angle will be such that all
shots must glance, unless fired point blank at the
broadside. The internal subdivisions as to water-
tight compartments, &c., will be almost precisely
similar to those of the Warrior. The main decks
are to be armed with 36 100-pounder Armstrongs,
and the spar deck with 21 guns of a similar calibre.
Two forward guns through the shield we have
already mentioned will, it is said, be 200-pounders,
and so also will the pivot-gun at the stern. In
the meantime the Achilles, which it has been
stated over and over again that the Government
are building at Chatham, remains almost as
much a myth as ever, so far as actual progress
is concerned. Even the keel is not yet laid.
There are two line-of-battle ships at Chatham which
have been altered and strengthened so as to bear
coating with armour plates, and there are two
others at Portsmouth which are to be similarly con-
verted, but it will probably be a long time before
any of these are afloat. Even the Warrior, which
is fitting at Greenhithe, is not likely to be ready to
go round to Portsmouth before the end of this month
and when there she must be many days in dock be-
fore she can really be said to be fit to proceed to
sea. None of the other vessels nominally finished
will be ready this year at all.
In the course of another fortnight or three weeks
the public will learn, from the result of actual ex-
periments at Shoeburyness, the precise amount of
resistance which vessels of the Warrior class may
be expected to offer to the cannonade of an enemy.
Hitherto the iron-plate commission at Shoeburyness
have conducted their experiments against what we
may call theoretical or fancy targets. Certainly, in
nine cases out of ten, the targets fired at were very
different in their method of construction from the
broadside of any of our iron ships, either as they
are now built or are ever likely to be. The Commis-
sioners, however, have now ordered the Thames
Ironworks to build a target 20 feet by ten, to be a
precise fac simile of the Warrior's broadside. This
has just been completed at Blaokwall, and will be
sent down to Shoeburyness in the course of a week
or so. When fixed on the practice ground there it
will be fired at until it is completely destroyed, but
if appearances are to be trusted, it will take a great
deal of hammering to make any serious impression
on it. In any case the defensive value of the War-
rior and others like her will be ascertained to a
single shot. Perhaps the public may wonder why an
experiment so conclusive and so easily made was
never thought of till the ships were quite finished,
when blunders (if any have been made) are of course
now irrevocable. In the Thames Ironworks are
also lying the masts for the Defence. These are
splendid samples of wrought-iron work. Each is
115 feet long by 32 inches wide, and though only
a ton heavier than a wooden spar of the same size,
are more than ten times as strong. So also at
the same yard is an iron spar of 120:feet by 2 feet
diameter at the base, which has been made for a
flagstaff for the Victoria Tower of the new Houses
of Parliament. This huge flagstaff is bui:t up of
boiler plate half an inch thick, with six wrought-
iron T-shaped ribs passing along its entire length.
Its weight is rather over 10 tons, and the summit
of the pole is surmounted with a gilt copper crown,
almost large enough for a small party to dine in.
This staff is to fly a standard of proportionate size
—namely, about 15 yards wide by 40 long. When
one sees of what size and strength these iron poles
can be made, it appears more to be regretted than
ever that the Warrier and Black Prince are not fitted
with them. The wooden ones the former ship has
now got are too large for the men to handle easily,
though much too weak and slight for the strain and
shock they will have to bear if ever Capt. Cochrane
has to charge an enemy and run him down. In all
other respects the Warrior is perfectly qualified to
cut through a three-decker down to the very keel.

IRELAND.

DUBLIN, TUESDAY.

At the monthly meeting of the Corporation yes•
terday, the Lord Mayor gave the following account
of his reception by the Queen :

" As this is the first time the council has met
since I had the honour of presenting the corpora-
tion address of welcome to her Majesty the Queen,
perhaps it may be acceptable to state to the House
the mode of procedure on the occasion. I was in-
troduced by his Excellency the Lord-Lieutenant
into the Queen's presence, and her Majesty re-
ceived me most graciously. In attendance on
her Majesty were the Earl of Granville,
one of her Majesty's Secretaries of State ; Lord
Sidney, Lord High Chamberlain ; the Hon.
General Grey, and the ladies in waiting. On pre-
senting the address, I said, May it please your Ma-
jesty, I have the high honour of presenting to your
Majesty the loyal and dutiful address of welcome
from the aldermen, burgesses, and citizens of your
ancient and loyal city of Dublin on your Majesty's
visit to this part of your Majesty's dominions.' The
Queen then took the address and said—' I feel much
gratified at the improved state of Ireland since my
last visit.' Her Majesty's manner was most grecious
and cordial throughout. I then retired, accompa-
nied as before by the Lord Lieutenant, and also
Earl Granville and Lord Sidney. We expected an
answer to the address. I will read a letter I have
received from the Chief Secretary :

" ' Dublin Castle, Aug. 30.

• Sir,--1 am directed by the Lord-Lieutenant to request
your lordship to convey to the members of the Corporation
her Majesty's gracious reception of the loyal and dutiful ad-
dress of the Lord Mayor, aldermen, and burgesses of the
city of Dublin, on the occasion of your lordship having in
person presented their address to her Majesty at the Vice-
regal Lodge on the 23d inst.
• 1 have the honour to be, my lord, your lordship's
obedient servant, " ROBERT PEEL.
" To the Right Hon. the Lord Mayor."
" It was not usual to send an answer, but to pub
lish the address in the Gazette, which had been done.
'With reference to the Prince Consort, his Royal
Highness had requested the Lord 'Lieutenant to take
charge of it for him, as he had to go to the Curragh.
The Lord-Lieutenant accordingly took charge of the
address, and in a few days after the following reply
was received :

ic ' August 26, 1861.

"' My Lord,—l am commanded by his Royal Highness
the Prince Consort to acknowledge the receipt of the address
from the Corporation of Dublin, which was left by your
lordship for his Royal Highness on Friday last ; and to ex-
press his Royal Highness's regret that an engagement to
visit the Prince of Wales at the Curragh prevented his re-
ceiving it personally from your lordship. He would have
been glad to avail himself of the opportunity of himself
assuring your lordship, and through your lordship the
aldermen and burgesses of Dublin, of his grateful sense of
the kind and flattering welcome he has, for,the third time,
met with in this city.

" ' It must always be most gratifying to Us Royal High-
ness to witness the affectionate demonstration of attachment
to her Majesty's person and family, which everywhere greet
her Majesty in travelling through all parts of her dominions.
But it is peculiarly gratifying on an occasion like the pre-
sent, when his Royal Highness has tb.e satisfactiou of hear-

ing from your lordship of the great improvement in the
material prosperity of a people whose trials in times,happily
now past, has commanded her Majesty's most heartfelt
sympathy, and in whose welfare and happiness she can never
cease to take the warmest and most lively interest.
" 4 His Royal Highness joins most cordially with your
lordship and the members of the corporation in the prayer
that the moral and physical condition of the country may
continue to improve. —I have the honour to be, my Lord,
" ' C. GREY.
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There is a general impression that the authorities
in Dublin and in other places misconceived the
Queen's wishes with reference to public demonstra-
tions, and that they were over-careful in excluding
the people from places where her Majesty could
be seen. The Cork Reporter mentions an incident
which shows that her Majesty disapproved those
exclusive arrangements. It says —" At the
Thurles station a small compartment, strictly pre-
served, was reserved for the aristocracy and the
elite on the right; but, notwithstanding all bar-
riers and police ordinances, a large number of the
of polloi contrived to locate themselves on the left.
The Queen, upon her arrival, we are informe3,
made a slight and cold nod of recognition to the
greeting of the gentry while she and Prince Albert
stood up in the carriage, and made repeated, marked,
and cordial acknowledgments as a response to the
enthusiastic cheers of the peasantry. We may rea-
sonably hope to be indulged in the expectation that
as her Majesty has now, by personal experience,
seen that Ireland is as peaceful and happy as any
part of England or Scotland, the royal visits will
• be more frequent and prolonged. It is now generally
' hoped and expected that an autumn residence will
be erected, and where could a more romantic or de-

lightful site be selected than in the vicinity of the
Lakes of Killarney ? But, whether this great hon-
our or its contingent advantages be conferred upon
us, Queen Victoria during her future visits may
reckon upon the devoted loyalty of her Irish sub-
jects and a warmhearted, enthusiastic reception."

7tii-Oney in the final crash; and, lastly, the fictitious
dividends.

On all these three charges the defence pleaded
" the spirit of modern commercial transactions,"
which takes for grantedthat the deposits were made
on "current account." This left the disposal of
them to the discretion of Mires, and, had not the
proceedings taken place, the Ottoman loan would
have set everything right.
The cloak of " modern commercial transactions"
is likewise thrown on the fictitious dividends and
the unauthorised issue of a greater number of shares
in an undertaking, and the common practice which
is made of this expedient is pleaded as a proof.
If these doctrines be admitted the charges fall to
the ground, for the intention to defraud has not
been proved in any single case.
The Court has rejected this doctrine, which, once
admitted, would open the door to every kind of
fraud, which it would be impossible to bring home.
It will be always possible to plead " general inter-
ests," averse courts, &e.

The confirmation of the sentence of five years
seems, therefore, as much a general condemnation
of such practices as a special condemnation of Mires
himself. The partisans of Mires find it hard that
he should be made an example, and insinuate that
there were others more conspicuous who were dealt
with far more leniently.

TEE ALLEGED MURDER IN WEST-
MINSTER.

Wm. Maloney, a labourer, charged on Monday
afternoon with the wilful murder of his wife, yes-
terday underwent a lengthened examination at the
Westminster Police-court.

The court and its approaches were, as previ-
ously densely crowded, the excitement of the popu-
lace being so great that officers were obliged to be
sent out to preserve sufficient order to enable the
magistrate to carry on the investigation.
Michael Walhce, 4, St. Albans-buildings, Cheyne-
walk, Lambeth, was first called. He said—l am the
father of the deceased. She has been married to the
prisoner nine years the 10th of May last. I did not
see her frequently. I have only seen her once these
four months, about five or six weeks ago. I do not
know on what terms she lived with her husband.
Her mother is here, and knows more about that
than I do. His people—his sisters used to be very
officious, They did not live on good terms with each
other as man and wife. They were in the habit of
of quarrelling.
Mr. Arnold—Did he ever beat her ?
Witness—l have known her carry black eyes
from him three or four times.

Margaret Ellen Wallice, wife of the last witness,
and mother of the deceased, was sworn, and was
about to give her testimony, when
Mr. Arnold inquired of Sergeant Mason, the first
witness in the case on Monday, who was conduct-
ing this prosecution? _

Sergeant Mason replied that he was.
Mr. Arnold said he should have thought that in
such a serious case as the present, an inspector should
have been employed to take charge of it. He should
have thought that the police felt it to be their duty
to the public to have done so.
Mrs. Wallice then proceeded to answer Mr. Ar-
nold's question of " On what terms did your daughter
and the prisoner live ?" by replying, they led a happy
life in sobriety, but an unhappy one in drink.
Mr. Arnold—How do you mean ?
Witness—ln regard of quarrelling and fighting,
Mr. Arnold—Did they do so ?
Witness—Both, in drink.
Mr. Arnold—Were they both in the habit of
drinking ?
Witness—l believe they both drank frequently
together. I last saw my daughter on Sunday fort-
night. I remember the evening prisoner was from
home. I was told he was at the " bug-trap" (some
low house in Westminster), playing at cards. Ido
not know their cause of quarrelling, except that he
got good wages at times and did not bring them
home. She often had black eyes from him.
Catherine Casey, of 7, Leg-court, Peter-street, said
—I saw Mrs. Maloney, the deceased, at 10 minutes
to 12 yesterday, when I asked her how her children
and husband were. She then went up the court to
get her husband's dinner, and I left her.
Mr. Arnold—ln what condition was she then ?
Witness—She was quite well.
Mr. Arnold—Was she sober ?

---- •
Witness—Quite sober. At ten minutes past
twelve I was coming across the road to go home,
and I saw the person who lives upstairs in Ler
house over her, and she then told me she believed
she was dead. I went to their house. I saw
him standing outside his door with his hands
behind him, and I went inside to look for Mrs.
Maloney, and she was dead on the floor. One
hand was on her forehead, the other by the side of
her. I took her hand from her forehead, and laid
it down by Ler side on the floor, I did not speak
to the prisoner then.
Mr. Arnold—Did he say anything ?
Witness—He did not then say anything to me
or any one else.

Mr. Arnold—He made no ettempt to move away?
Witness—He did not.
Mr. Arnold—Did you at all speak of Mrs.
Maloney after you had been in her room?
Witness—Yes ; I asked three times " Is she
dead," and then the prisoner, who had said nothing
before, replied " Yes, and I think she is dead about
ten minutes." I knew both prisoner and deceased.
I do not know the terms on which they lived.
Bridget Casey was called, but there was nothing
fresh in her evidence.

Mrs. Sarah Hatcher, of 76, Peter-street, opposite
Leg-court, sworn. The deceased came into my shop
yesterday at twenty minutes to twelve, and
asked me if I had some very nice, lean bacon.
She asked me to give it to her nice and lean, or
else she should have it thrown into her face.

Mr. Arnold (to the police)—What is the object
of this evidence P There is no doubt the deceased
was alive at that time.

Sergeant Mason replied it was to show the fear
she entertained of her husband, and his conduct.
There was the greatest difficulty in procuring evi-
dence, although there were several witnesses whose
testimony was believed to be important, living in
the court. The woman spoken of, who lived in
the house with prisoner and deceased, would not
come. The greatest secrecy was observed amongst
the residents of the place, and the invariable reply
to inquiry was—" They did not know anything,
and did not want to know." There was one
woman in particular who could prove having seen
prisoner repeatedly beat his wife and drag her
about by the hair of the head, but she would not
attend.

Mr. Arnold put a question to the last witness,
to which she replied that deceased, when she came
for the bacon, NI as apparently in good health and
spirits, and perfectly sober.
Catherine Casey was recalled, and said deceased
was in good spirits when she last saw her alive.
Dr. Payne, who gave evidence on Monday, was
recalled, and said—l have, since I was here, made a
post-mortem examination of the body of the de-
ceased. I find the wound I before spoke of three-
quarters of an inch externally, by an inch and a
quarter in depth. I found the subclavian artery
had been split open, and that, being within five or
six inches of the heart, must have caused death im-
mediately—in two or three minutes.
Mr. Arnold—Then you can, of course, have no
doubt that the wound caused her death ?
Dr. Payne—Not the least.
Mr. Arnold—ln what direction was the wound ?
Dr. Payne—lt was a punctured wound. There
was no obliquity in it; it was quite vertical.
Mr. Arnold—lt might then have been inflicted
either by the prisoner or the deceased herself ?
Mr. Payne—By either.
Mr. Arnold—Bacon has been spoken of, upon
the table, and purchased. Was it a rasher on the
table, or a large piece ?
Sergeant Mason—One rasher, with potatoes.
Prisoner expressed a wish to be heard, and said
—I work at the Duke of Buccleuch's building, and
I worked there till 12 yesterday. I could not get
across the park in five minutes, and even if I left
at 12 exactly, I might be on the top of the building
at that time, and have to come down. It was about
a quarter-past 12 when I came home, or between
that and 20 minutes. My wife had dinner on the
table—bacon and potatoes. She had had a drop,
taken on the Sunday, but I never said anything to
her then, and as she was sober, and I was sober,
when I got home to dinner yesterday I thought that
that would be the best time to speak to her. I said,
It's better for you to be looking to your chil-
dren than spending your money in liquor like this."
I laid my knife, that I was eating my dinner with,
down for a moment, when she said, It's done
now; we won't have any jaw," and stabbed herself.
I got up and tried to stop the blood, when she fell
on the floor and was dead immediately. I ran out
and called for some one to bring the doctor. I have
got no more to say. Who brought the doctor I
don't know.
Mr. Arnold de3ired Dr. Payne to stand forward,
and on his doing so, said—Has the particular place
been pointed out to you where the police found the
clasp knife produced ?
Dr. Payne—lt has not.
Mr. Arnold—l should much like your opinion
whether a person inflicting such a wound upon
herself as you have described the deceased
died from, would have power afterwards to throw
the knife where it was found. I should feel obliged
by your accompanying the police to the room, in

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order that you may have an opportunity of judging.
Dr. Payne—l will accompany the police, Sir, as
you desire.

- Mr. Arnold—Was the knife found upright in the
floor ?

Police—Quite upright.
Mr. Arnold—The prisoner is remanded until Sa-
turday.

In less than an hour after the prisoner's removal
from the dock, a respectable person holding a Go-
vernment appointment, came to the court, accom-
panied by a quiet, inoffensive-looking man, and said
that the latter had a disclosure to make with re-
spect to the death of the unfortunate woman, and
wished to unburden his conscience by a detail of
what he knew.

The prisoner was again placed in the dock, and
he fresh witness,

Joseph Saunders, a labourer, was then examined.
He said—l was looking for a room for my family
yesterday, and went into Leg-court. It was between
twelve and one o'clock. I wanted to be directed to
Bennett's-yard, and I put my head into the door of
a house in Leg-court, to make the inquiry, but I had
no time.

Mr. Arnold—Did you look in at the street door,
or into the room ?

Witness—Both doors were open, and I looked in-
side the room.

Mr. Arnold—You say you had not time to make
the inquiry ?
Witness—No, I had not, because of what occurred.
Mr. Arnold—Did you see any one in the room ?
Witness—Yes, a man and woman.
Mr. Arnold—What occurred to prevent your
making the inquiry ?
Witness—l saw the man put a knife into the
woman's neck at the very moment I was going to
ask my way.
Mr. Arnold—What did you then do ?
Witness—lt so frightened me I went away.
Mr. Arnold—Did you see the face of the man so
as to be able to recognise him ?
Witness—No, I did not, till he was brought out
of the court.

Mr. Arnold—You say you saw the man strike the
knife into the woman's neck ?

Witness—l did, distinctly. I saw it enter her
neck. I ran away.
Mr. Arnold—And you then went to the end of
the court ?
Witness—l did.
Mr. Arnold—Did you observe anything else be-
sides the blow with the knife before you left ?
Witness—At the instant he struck the knife into
her neck the blood spirted up, and I saw it on the
man's hand.

A murmur of horror ran through the auditory.
Mr. Arnold—What occurred when you were at
the end of the court ?

Witness—ln a few minutes the police came, and
then they brought the man out.
Mr. Arnold—Do you now recognise the man
here whom they brought out ?
Witness—He is standing there (pointing to the
prisoner).
Mr. Arnold—How was he dressed ?
Witness—He had on a light slop and corduroy
trousers.

Mr. Arnold—And that is the man ?
Witness—lt is.
Mr. Arnold—Did you see anything else in the
man ?

Witness—l did not stop to see anything else in
the man, it so frightened me.
Mr. Arnold—You did not tell the police what you
saw ?

Witness—No I was so frightened. I saw the
prisoner brought out by the police, and then I went
away.

Mr. Arnold—How do you come here now.
Witness—l told a friend of mine all I had seen,
and he insisted on me immediately coming here.
Mr. Arnold—Do you know the prisoner ?
Witness—No, I am quite a stranger to the spot.
Mr. Arnold—r You were about to make the inquiry
when he struck her with the knife ?

Witness—At the very instant I clapped eyes on
him.

Mr. Arnold—Were they sitting or standing ?
Witness—Both standing.
Mr. Arnold—How long were you at the end of
the court before they came out with the prisoner ?
Witness—About a quarter of an hour.
Mr. Arnold—To whom did you first mention
what you had seen ?
Witness—To some Irish people in the court. I
said as I passed " There is murder in the house,"
and I heard five or six call " Murder." I told my
wife when I got home.
Mr. Arnold (to prisoner)—Do you wish to ask
this witness any questions ?
Prisoner (whose countenance had exhibited deep
emotion)—l've got no questions. I don't suppose
he was there at all. I think it's a false thing
altogether.

Prisoner was then remanded till Saturday.

TIP? TERRIBLE COLLISION ON TBE
LONDON AND BRIGHTON RAILWAY.

BRIGHTON, TUESDAY NIGHT.

This investigation was resumed at two o'clock to-
day, by Mr. D. Black, coroner for the borough. In
consequence of the continued illness of the guard,
Coleman, the learned coroner and the jury pro-
ceeded to a cottage near the Hassock's gate station
to take his testimony. The jury subsequently met
at the Town Hall.

Messrs. Cook, Fryer, Stuckey, and H. F. Reed,
represented their respective clients ; and Mr. Faith-
full watched the case for the railway company.
Mr. Frederick Slight, secretary; Mr. G. Hawkins,
traffic manager ; Mr. Craven, locomotive superin-
tendent; Mr. Perry, inspector of permanent ways ;
and other officials of the Brighton Company were
also present.

The evidence by Coleman was taken in a cottage
at Hassock's-gate. He appeared very ill, and gave
his answers in a feeble tone of voice, but in a very
calm and collected manner.

The coroner and jury, accompanied by Captain
Tyler and some of the legal gentlemen, left Brighton
by a special train in order to take the guard's evi•
deuce.

Joseph Coleman, having been sworn, was ex-
amined by the coroner as follows :

Coroner—You acted as the head guard of the
Brighton excursion train on Sunday morning, the
25th of August ?

Witness:—Yes.
Do you remember at what time you left the
Brighton Station ?—At 8.30.

Did
you see the distance signal at Clayton tun-
nel ? I•saw it " all right" for the tunnel.
When you first caught sight of it ?—Yes.
How far were you from it when you first saw
the distance-signal ?—Just as we came round the
curve.

How far from Killick were you when you first
saw him ?—I was close to his box.

Did he come out of his box ?-LI can't say. Ho
came out all in a hurry with his flag in his hand.
Did he wave it violently ?—Yes, Sir.
How far had you got when your driver shut off
the steam ?—We were near the tunnel. We shut
off steam when we got close to the box.

What did you do ?—Apply my break, sir.
Did you let sand out P—l had no sand to make
use of. I applied my break to stop as soon as I
could.

How far do you suppose you had got into the
tunnel before you came to a stop ?—To the best of
my recollection 300 or 400 yards in.
Did any words pass between you and Scott, your
driver, about what you should do when you were
in the tunnel ?—I shouted out for him to go ahead,
but Ido not suppose he heard me. I cannot aay
whether he heard me or not.

Tell me, did you become aware, after you had
stopped, that you were going back P—Yes.
How far do you think you had got back alto-
gether from where you stopped P—l cannot say
exactly, but he made two or three shunts back, but
could not get back from my having the break on.
Otherwise I should have gone back with my light.
Will you state to the best of your idea how far
you went back P I cannot do that, the train was
in motion when the collision took place.
In motion back P—Yes, sir.
At about what speed did you go back ? Was it
one or two miles an hour, or three or four P-011,
no, we were going very slowly, because I had got
the break on tight.
That would be very slow—two or three miles an.
hour P—l cannot say it was as much as that, be-
cause I had got my break on. That is how I got
the shock.

Captain Tyler—Which clock would you go by
when you say you started at 8.30 ?
Witness—The company's watch.
Was that right by the Brighton station clock ?
Yes.

The Coroner—Which one—the one at the stores ?
Witness—The one at the stores.
Did you compare your watch with the clock that
morning ?—Yes, sir.
Captain Tyler—You do not happen to know the
time at which the collision took place ?
Witness--No, sir, Idc not. I could not tell you
that.

Can you tell how long it took you to come to
Clayton tunn€l from Brighton P—l do not know
that I could now.
You did not look to see whether Killick was
putting the distance-signal on, or what he was
doing P—l saw him doing nothing but waving his
flag, and in a bustle as I said before.
When the driver came to a stand, did you take
your break off at all in the first instance P—No.
Kept it on P—Kept it on. It ran off two or three
turns, and then I held it on its place. I had got

my band on the break at the time of the collision
with my head out of the window. That was when
I saw the train was going back.
He went back without consulting you ?—He
could not consult with me without he got down and
came to me.

You would have gone back faster if you had not
got the break on ?-oh, yes, a great deal.
Did you hear the engine slipping as she was
coming back ?—Yes, that was because of my having
the break on. She would not have slipped if I had
not had the break on.

At what speed do you think you were going
when the driver shut the steam off ?—I do not know
that I can tell that. I suppose it might be about
twenty-five miles an hour, and I cannot tell you
any more.

A Juryman—I suppose it took you more time to
come to a standstill in the tunnel, and to back, than.
it would have done to have gone through the
tunnel ?

Witness—Oh, yes. I should say it did altogether
Juror—Did you ever pass the distance-signal at
safety, and get pulled up by a flag at the tunnel ?
Witness—No, sir ; never.
Captain Tyler—What induced you to put on your
break ?
Witness—l considered John Scott was breaking
the rules, and that was why I stuck to my post.
Coroner—Did you look to the south end of the
tunnel while you were in the tunnel ?
Witness—Yes.
Could you see the end of the tunnel P—l could
see the train coming upon us.
Mr. Fryer—l would wish, sir, that the witness
should be asked whether any one has taken an ac-
count of the accident from his lips before to-day.
Mr. H. Hawkins—ln writing you mean ?
Mr. Fryer—Of course I mean in writing.
The Coroner—lf Killick had been at the tunnel-
mouth—l do not mean in his box, but if he had
come down to wave his flag, should you have seen.
him, do you think ?

Witness—l do not think I should have seen him.
Has any one before to-day taken down a state-
ment from you in writing P—No, sir.
A Jaror—Were there any platelayers or any
other men at work in the tunnel on the morning
of the accident ?

Witness—l did not see any at the time of the
accident.

Another Juror—l should like to ask the witness
what he would have done if he had come to a stand-
still in the tunnel ?

The Coroner—He has already answered that
question by statingthat he shouted to the driver to
go ahead.
Upon assembling at the Town Hall,
Captain Wm. Bussel Glaiser (Ist Sussex Volum.
teers), of No. 4, Goldsmith-row, Brighton, said...l
went on to the platform of the Brighton station on
the morning of the accident for the purpose of see_
ing my children off by the excursion train to vie_
toria station. When the Brighton excursion train
left the Portsmouth train had not passed the plat_
form where the tickets are taken. There were ac,
lights to the Portsmouth train. I noticed that par_
titularly. I did not notice what time the Brighton
excursion train started, but I had some conversation
with one of the guards before it left. Looking
my watch, I said, " How very late you are. W h 3,
you are 20 minutes behind time." " Not so
much
as that, I think," he said, but (pulling out his Watch)
form
the Portsmouth arked, " It is past
train a qutoarter. We are waiting.
start." Immediately
afterwards the Portsmouth train left, and the guard
got into his box, which was next the engine, and in
a very short time the Brighton excursion train also
departed from the station. I had left the station_
before the Brighton ordinary train started, and I
noticed that the Brighton excursion train had two
red lights at the end of the train.
By Captain Tyler—l have been frequently at the
Brighton station, and never saw trains start so
rapidly b efore. I considered it most extraordinary
and most dangerous.
By the Jury—My children werenotmuch injured.
They were shaken and stunned; and when they
returned last Wednesday they would not come
through the tunnel.
Mr. Pook wished to call attention to a rule in the
company's book, which stated that there should be
two tail lamps to every train by night and by day,
in consequence of the tunnels,
By the Coroner—When I conversed with the
guard respecting his being late, he pulled out his
watch, and I distinctly saw that it was past half-
past eight.

- Mr Yaithfull put various questions to witness with
a view of showing that he was mistaken in the
trains he saw at the station ; but Captain Glaiser
strictly adhered to his original statement.
John Wood, residing at Hassock's-gate, said he
was a foreman of platelayers, and had charge of the
road from the south end of Clayton tunnel to the
Brighton platform. He had carried messages for
Killick as to the signals being out of order, but he
thought not more than twice. He could not tell
when he carried the last message, but it certainly
was not this year. He might have carried a mes-
sage last year.
John Piper, the station master at Hassock's-gate,
deposed that the Portsmouth train passed his station
at 8.36. He noticed the time particularly by the
station clock. He did not make any entry in his
book until Sunday night, and he did it then owing
to the accident.
The inquiry was again adjourned.