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rfIUR.SDAY EVENING, JUNE ;18, 1857

MINISTERS' MONEY (IRELAND) BILL,

(From the Times.)
The second reading of the Ministers' Money Bill
will come on in the House of Lords to-night, and
Lord Derby has given notice of his intention to

move that the bill be read a second time this day
six months. For the first time since the meeting
of the new Parliament the Opposition leader will
be found marshalling his forces in array against the
Government. The Peers will, no doubt, listen to an
excellent speech, which might well have been made
at a better season and in a better cause ; for on
what grounds will the smoothness of this promising
session be disturbed, and a victorious Ministy be
bearded within a few weeks of their triumph ?
Simply to retain for a few Irish clergyman the legal
right to money which there is no chance of their
ever getting. No dispossessed Celtic landowner of
two centuries since, no Royalist French refugee
whose domains had been split up into ten-acre
patches and sold half-a-dozen times over under
the Republic and Empire, was ever more com-
pletely without a chance of recovering his pro-
perty than the few established clergy concerned
are of obtaining their dues from the default-
ing corporations. The history of the tax extends
over a space of nearly two hundred years. The
impost was first established by Act of Parlia-
ment in the reign of Charles 11., upon Dublin,
Cork, Waterford, Limerick, Kilkenny, Kin.ale,
Drogheda, and Clonmel—all towns which are now
inhabited by a large preponderating population of
Roman Catholics. The consequence is that now the
payment is re-isted, and cannot be enforced with-
out litigation and all the many bitternesses to
which it gives rise. The Protestants, of course,
charge the Papists with dishonesty, with factious-
ness, with withholding what they covenanted to
pay when they took the property on which the tax
is levied ; and the Papists reply with accusations
of extortion, tyranny, and clerical greediness. That
there may be much stinginess and much spite
mingled with the opposition of the Catholics we can
well believe ; the rivalries of a provincial town and
the tenacity of a business man's pocket may have
much to do with the religious scruples which are so
ostentatiously paraded. But it is the same in all
these cases. As long as there is an appearance of
injustice we must be prepared to find selfishness,
vanity, and ambition making capital out of their
opposition. The best thing is to remove all causes
of discontent, real or affected. In this case the
course is easy. The Ministers' Money is an anoma-
lous impost which presses on certain localities pre-
eminently Catholic, and does not extend to others
where Protestants are in a majority. Cork pays,
and not Belfast ; Limerick pays, and not Ennis-
killen. The tax was imposed by an old act of Par-
liament to supply a present want and encourage
a Protestant immigration. Tt was in its na.ure
partial and temporary. Circumstances have since
entirety changed, and it is time that the enactment
should be at once repealed. The loss to the Pro-
testants will be little indeed, for the tax amounts
only to a few thousands a year, and, small as it is,
it is to a great extent unpaid. What objection
there can be to a settlement which should remove
this petty grievance by foregoing this miserable
benefit we cannot see.

The second reading of the bill was carried in
the House of Commons by 313 votes to 174, or
by a majority of 139, being only one less thuw
the majority for the Oaths Bill. Thus these two
semi-religious measures—one for the relief of
Oath-,lies and the other for the relief of Jews—have
teen endorsed in the first session of a new Par-
liament by larger majorities than have generally
been met with is late years. The example ought
not to be lost pn the Lords, who continually declare
their respect for the representatives of the people.
But there is a difference between the bills—
namely, that one affects the rights of a weak and
yielding race, whose claims may be delayed or re-
jected with impunity, while the other relates to a
pushing, turbulent, obstinate body of religionists,
who may at any time plunge half the towns
of Ireland into confusion, and sound from
hundreds of platforms and newspapers a yell of
defiance. As a matter of peace and quietness, i
therefore, we think that the Lords may well pause
before they reject this bill, which has been sent up,
to them with the approbation of so strong a majo-
rity of the Commons. As it is, in Cork and other
towns there is certain to be a steady resistance to
the payment of Ministers' Money. What, then,
may we expect when Ireland learns that a bill for
the abolition of the impost has been thrown out
by the Lords, after receiving the assent of a great
maiority of the Lower House ? With what joy will
each priestly firebrand receive the intelligence
With what interest will the agitator, whose occu-
pation has been of late years at an end, watch the
sleeping embers of discontent once more emit a
warning light ! Every resource of cunning and per-
tinacity will be used to make the payment of Minis-
ters' Money into a standard grievance. We shall
have martyrs in all the towns which are liable to
the impost. Every corporation and every freeman
who has hitherto paid will now refuse to pay, except
under legal compulsion, and any proceedings against.
them will be the signal for meetiegs, processions,
banners, speeches, and all the machinery of agita-
tion. The ministers whom it is proposed to pro-
tect get very little of their money as it is, but
now they will get positively nothing. A perverse
decision in the Lords will be the greatest blow to
those whom the noble house is most anxious to
serve.
The fact is that the Conservative party bind up
this question with the supremacy of the Irish
Cuthe funds of the Ecclesiastical
Commission
eye for which a tax on property
bas
heretoforeapply
opsl
available seems like a surrender
hr
beench.
of the principle that the people in general may be
rated for the support of an Established Church.
And, in truth, the Irish Church is so strange and
anomalous an institution that it is difficult to say
what will or what will not hurt it. It is quite
possible that the extinction of an impost which ex-
torts a few shiliings yearly from each of a number
pugnacious householders may hare a
useffect on an establishment which is a
odfan noisygero and
contradiction to most rules. But, if the Irish
Church be founded on any principle of justice or
common sense, we should think that the passing of
this measure can only be of service to it. The bill
removes the last of those payments which
tend to aggravate and envenom the differences
of creed. Church rates and tithes have been
legislated
since, and the settlement of
as resulted, after a necessary
diffusion of goodwill among people
who sw in
separated by immemorial hatreds.
interval,the questionserib foret fhoee long
This little measure about Ministers' Money is but
the pendant to the great changes of a quarter of a
century ago. In those days the Lords showed an
equal unwillingness to acquiesce in principles which
arecaused
owd in universally admitted, and their opposition
u
the end more harm than good to the class
cnelive
they protected. We trust they will in the present
case abstain from giving the Catholics a specious
grievance while they seek to preserve to the Pro-
testants a phantom benefit. Far better will it be
that ten times the value of the Minister's Money
be lost to the Irish Church than that a field should
be given for the renewal of the old bickerings and
the old recriminations. Lord Derby will indeed be
unfortunate if his plan of camgaign for the session
involves only attacks on such points as the Oaths
Bill and the Ministers' Money Bill. Every one
feels that these are measures on which political
rivalry might be content to sleep, and by passing
which both sides might join to settle questions
which have occupied the time and tried the patience
of almost a generation of legislators.

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Belgium as a means of acquiring judicial information.
After a considerable robbery committed at Brussels in
November last two men named Lerch and Daubner
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condemned to hard labour for life, but in consequence
of the latter pretending to be dumb and idiotic his trial
was postponed, in order that a medical investigation
should take place. It was found impossible to get even
a sign of intelligence from him. As it was, however,
known that he was not born dumb, and that he had
spoken, when he said that he could speak no language
but German, he was etherised, and while labouring
under the effect of that application be spoke perfectly
and in French. He was in consequence again brought
up before the tribunal, and condemned to 10 years'
hard labour. _

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MIDDLESEX SESSIONS.—June 18.

(Before Mr. Pashley, Q.C., Assistant Judge.)
Henry Price, 12, was indicted for stealing caps,
value 155., the property of James Shipway, his
master ; and Edward W. Harrison, 25, was in-
dicted for feloniously receiving the same, well
knowing the same to have been stolen.
Mr. Tindal Atkinson, instructed by Mr. Wake-
ling, prosecuted ; Mr. Platt appeared for Harrison.
The prisoner Price pleaded guilty.
Mr. Atkinson having opened the case.
Price was placed in the witness-box and sworn.
He said—l am 12 years of age., I was errand boy
to Mr. Shipway, and bad assist.sd _in his shop for
about four mouths. Mr. Shipiray's shop is in Up-
per-street, Islington. I know!the prisoner Harri-
son, and have taken things to him from my master's
shop. I began to do so about three weeks after I
went into his service. Mr. Shipway gave me and
another boy some old hats, and we sold them at
Harrison's shop, in Wheatsheaf-yard. Islington.
He then told me if I could bring him some caps he
would pay me well for them. Idid nottell him where
I lived, but he saw from the name inside the hsts
where I worked. I took several caps after he
asked me, but I cannot exactly say how many.
took a cap the next morning out of a box iu my
master's shop, which I took to Harrison, and he
gave me 6d. for it. The selling price of the cap was
2s. Gd. 1 took another cap the next day from a
shelf in the shop, which was worth 3s. 6d., and
Harrison gave me Bd. for it. The next day I took
another cap—it was a two-and-sixpenny cap, and
he gave me 6d. for that. I took two half-crown caps
the next day, and Harrison gave me ls. for the
two. The day after that I took two mom caps, and
sold them to Harrison at the same price. On other
days I took several more caps, and Harrison gave
me Gd. each for them. I stole all the caps from my
master. I took this one (produced) in May last.
(The witness then identified some other caps he
had sold to the prisoner Harrison.) I met Harrison
in the City-road two or three days after a policeman
had been to my master's shop, and he said, " How
is it that I have not seen you so long 1" and I said
that as I had seen a policeman come to my mas-
ter's shop I was frightened to take any more caps.
Harrison said that he would see that was all right,
and he then left me. After that I took some more
caps and leather bands, which I sold to the pri-
soner.

Cross-examined by Mr. Platt—My master has
not told me what to say. He only told me to speak
the truth. Ido not expect to get off through giv-
ing evidence, but I do not expect to be so severely
punished. I took two caps sometimes together
from my master's shop. Ido not know the price
of these caps per dozen. I did not tell Harrison
when I took the caps that I had been sent by my
mother to sell them, who was very busy making
them. I have taken, altogether, about 70 caps to
Mr. Harrison's shop. Thrrison once gave me
10d. for a cap, but the price of that was 4s. sd. I
have never been in trouble in my life before.
Mr. J. Shipway, the prosecutor, 89, Upper-street,
Islington, said the boy Price had been in his service
for about four months. From. information he re-
ceived, he watched him. On Saturday, May 9, he
called Puke into his counting-house, and told him
that he had been robbing him for some time. He
took a cap out of his desk and asked him if he knew
it. He began to cry, and said he should not have
done so had he not been induced to do so by a man
in Wheatsheaf-yard. He said the man had given
him Bd. for the cap. He also said he had taken a
good many caps, leathers, and other things.
Other evidence having been given,
Mr. Platt addressed the jury, contending that
Harrison had received the caps under misrepresen-
tations by Price that his mother had m id° them,
and, being in distress, was compelled to sell them
at a sacrifice.
A witness was called to contradict the boy, and
evidence to character was given.
The jury found Harrison guilty.
The prosecutor very kindly said if the court
would allow him to take the boy Price back into
his employment at once he would do so, to afford
him still a chance of returning to paths of honesty
and becoming a good man.
The Assistant-Judge said that was very credit-
able on the prosecutor's part, and to enable him to
endeavour to carry out his good intention, he should
sentence the boy to three days' imprisonment,
which having already expired, dating from the com-
mencement of the sessions, he would be at once dis-
charged, and given up to his friend, and the peril
he had been in—for he was liable to be transported
for 15 years for the offence he had committed—
would, he hoped, be a warning to him for the rest
of his life. With respect to Harrison, the case was
a very bad one, but he thought he could properly
abstain from sentencing him to penal servitude.
Under the circumstances of his case, and taking
perhaps a too lenient view, he should sentence him
to be kept to bard labour for 15 calendar months.
John West was indicted for having stolen a truss
of hay, the property of Henry Hawker.
Mr. Gent prosecuted ; Mr. S. Carter appeared
for the prisoner.
The prosecutor is a hay-dealer, living at Har-
mondsworth, and the prisoner kept a public-house
at Crawford-bridge, Hounslow. The former bought
a rick of hay of the latter, which was upon his pre-
mises. The case against the prisoner was that he
had purloined some of the hay after it became the
property of the prosecutoh When accused of the
theft, the prisoner acknowledged it, and said ho
hoped he should not be locked up.
The jury, after a long investigation, found the
prisoner guilty, but recommended him to mercy on
account of his former high character.
The Assistant Judge sentenced him to three
months' hard labour.

POLICE INTELLIGENCE—Jun• 18.

MANSION-HOUSE.—Henry Humphrey was
brought before Alderman Hale charged with having
stolen a pocket-handkerchief.
Mr. Watson, of Thavies-Inn, said—" Half 'an
hour ago, in Cannon-street West, I felt a tug at my
pocket, and found that my handkerchief was gone.
The prisoner was running away, and when he saw
me following him, he threw away my handkerchief,
and was then seized by a policeman.
Alderman Hale (to the prisoner)—Have you any-
thing to say I
Prisoner—Not a word.
Alderman Haile—ls he known here 1
The gaoler—Not by any one.
Committed for six weeks to the House of Cor-
rection.

GUILDHALL.—CharIes Harrison, a foreman
in the employment of Messrs. Cooper, wholesale
grocers, of Monument-yard, was placed at the bar,
before Alderman Hale, for further examination re-
lative to the charge of robbing his employers.
Mr. Humphreys appeared for the prosecution,
and Mr. Wontner for the defence.
From the evidence taken on the former examina-
tions it appeared that the prisoner had been a fore-
man in Messrs. Cooper's establishment during the
last six years, and that in such capacity it was a part
of his duty to draw orders upon the sugar refiners
for the delivery of loaf sugar, it being customary
with Messrs. Cooper to purchase large quantities of
refined sugar, to be cleared within stated periods,
and they were in the habit of removing it in such
quantities as were required from time to time. The
prisoner had taken advantage of the authority
placed in his hands, and had issued orders upon
the refiners for large quantities of loaf sugar, and it
was alleged that the aug so obtained was sold to
different parties by the, prisoner, on his own ac-
count, but in his employers' name, none of such
transactions being entered in the prosecutors'
books. In one instance Mr. John Anstey, a grocer,
of High-street, Hoxton produced about 30 invoices
of goods purchased of ;lin prisoner, amounting to
about 1801., and which Anstey believed he was
buying of Messrs. Cooper.
The following was.the evidence taken yesterday :
Peter Mossop said—l am clerk to Messrs. Elers
and Morgan, sugar refiners, of Lambeth-street,
Goodman's-fields. On the 22d of May I received
the order produced foi 30 titlers of sugar. It was
signed "C. Harrison, for Thomas Cooper and C 0.,"
and directed that the goods should be delivered to
Johnson's cart. Johnson's carman brought me the
order, and I wrote upon it requesting instructions
about the packing of the sugar, and shortly after-
wards the carman returned with the prisoner, who
told me to deliver the sugar in white paper, and I
did so.. The weight of the 40 titters was 11 cwt.
23 lbs.

Cross-examined—Messrs. Elers and Morgan sold
this sugar to- Messrs. Cooper, and was part of a lot
of 803 titlers which Messrs. Cooper purchased. on
the 19th of May, to be cleared in two months.
Robert Stewart, carman to Mr. Johnson, said—
I went to Messrs. Elers and Morgan on the 22d of
May last for 40 titlers of sugar, and the prisoner
went with me and told me I was to take in 40
titlers, and he remained with me until they were
all put into the cart. He told me to take them to
Mr. Durant's, in Lillypot-lane, and I accordingly
delivered them there to a porter of the name of
Blatch. On the 26th of May I went to Mr. Dur-
ant's for 35 titlers and a bag, which Blatch brought
out to my cart, and I took them to Chamberlain's
wharf, accompanied by Blatch.
Henry Frederick Blatoh said—l am in the ser-
vice of Messrs. Durant, of Lilypot-lane. The
firm consists of Roger Durant and Ryder Durant.
They are wholesale grocers and dealers in spices.
I was present on the 22nd of May, when the last
witness brought 40 titlers, and I delivered them to
Ryder Durant, who stacked them in the ware-

house. I'assisted. They-were-all in whitki- -paper. 4
Some were put in one stack and some with other
sugar. There were from 20 to 25 titlers in a stack.
I went with the last wiiness to arambertin's
wharf with 35 titlers, and they -were m,xoi
others ; but I cannot say if the 35 taken to Cham-
berlain.'s- wharf include the stack of 20 or 25 ; but
I believe part of them were part of those taken
to Chamberlain's wharf. I put blue paper round
them by the direction of Mr. Ryder Durant, but
Mr. Roger Durant was not then present. 1 took
a bag with the titlers, and an address card directed
"From Roger Durant and Co., 5, Lilypot-lane,
General Post-office, London.—R. At will, 95,
Lower Union-street, Torquay." Mr. Roger Du-
rant wrote the card and receiving note produced.
The memorandum containing the following entries
is in my handwriting : "June 2. To the superin-
tendent, Chamberlain's wharf. Please ship on
board the --, for Torquay, the undermentioned
goods, viz. : 35 titlers, 1 bag sundries, 1 hag cur-
rants, and 1 parcel tea—for R. At will, 95, Lower
Union-street, Torquay. From R. Durant and
Co., 5, Lilypot-lane, Noble-street, City." Since
the last examination I have ascertained that Mr.
Ryder Durant is not one of the firm. He is only
alservant the same as myself, and is paid weekly.
Alderman Hale—Who then is the Co ?
Witness—l do not know. Mr. Ryder Durant
told me that he was not one of the firm. I have
not heard so from any one else.
Mr. Humphreys—How is it that the name of
Mr. Mitchell, Lilypot-lane, appears in print on the
back of the receiving note?
Mr. Wontner objected to the question as irre-
gular, as it did not refer either to the prisoner at
the bar or anything written by the witness. It
merely related to E otneth'ng done by a third party
after the goods had left the prisoner's possession.
Alderman Hale thought the answer might be
material.
Witness—The name of Mitchell was over the
window when I first went into Durant's service ;
but I have never seen Mr. Mitchell, neither do I
know long his name remained up. I know a per-
son who acted on the prem'ses, and used the name
of Mitchell. Mr. Ryder Durant was there when I
first went, and he took possession of and opened all
lebters addressed to Mitchell. I read tome of them,
and I have taken orders in Mitchell's name to
Messrs. Coopers for goods, . Mr. Ryder Durant
attended to the business referred to in those letters.
The orders I took to Messrs. Coopers I received
from Mr. Ryder Durant.
Mr. Wontner objected to this mode of examina-
tion, as it was quite irrelevant to the charge against
Harrison.
Alderman Hale—lf other parties are concerned
with Harrison in this extensive robbery, it would
ultimately be seen how the evidence affected him.
Mr. Humphreys said Mr. Cooper bad given him
such information and instructions that he now felt
justified in giving Mr. Ryder Durant and Mr.
Roger Durant into custody for receiving this pro-
perty, knowing it to have been stolen.
The two Durants were then placed in the felon's
dock, and the examination proceeded.
Peter Mossop, recalled, said—l have been to
Chamberlain's wharf, and seenthe titlers. Some had
my own private marks on the white papers they were
packed in, and others had none. I unpacked those in
white papers, which I examined, and then I found
that the marks indicating the quality of the sugar
had been rubbed off the bottom of each titler.
Mr. Humphreys, at this stage of the proceedings,
said he thought he had stated sufficient to ask for a
further remand to enable him to complete the case.
A solicitor, on the part of the two Durants, ap-
plied that all letters, papers, and keys found upon
them might be given up to them.
Alderman Hale said that it was rather an un-
usual application, as it might tend to frustrate the
ends of jtstice. liowever' the officers would
examine those papers, and if there was nothing in
them relating to the present charge, the application
might be renewed on a future day.
The prisoners were all remanded to Newgate.

MARYLEBONE.—Wm. Drage, coachman to
Lady Listowel, was charged with assaulting Wm.
Eastwood, a cab driver.

The prisoner was riding on horseback along the
Edgware-road, and the complainant in driving his
cab past him, touched the prisoner's horse. The
prisoner followed him, and gave him a violent blow
on the head with the butt end of his whip, render-
ing him insensible for some minutes.
The prisoner said he did not mean to hurt the
complainant.
Held to bail, himself in 501., and two sureties of
401. each, to appear on Wednesday next.

WANDSWORTH.—A respectable-looking mid-
dle-aged man, who gave the name of John Kelly,
was charged with stealing a large quantity of plate
and jewellery at Southampton.
. _ _

During the lastLfortniiht the prisoner had been
residing at Southampton, at a boarding-house
for travellers, in the care of a servant named
Mary Ann Anderson. On Saturday the pri-
soner sent to the railway what appeared to
be ;his luggage, consisting of five large boxes
and a bag. He left on the Sunday morning, and
took with him three portmanteaus. Some time
afterwards Anderson missed a large quantity of
valuable property, consisting of plate, &c., belong-
ing to her mistress. Suspicion fell upon the pri-
soner, and she then discovered that a gold watch
and guard had been stolen from the box of a gen-
tleman who had gone to sea, and had left his pro-
perty in their care. Inquiries were made. The
servant was placed in concealment at the Nine
Elms depot, where the boxes had arrived. The
prisoner soon afterwards made his appearance and
claimed the property. The servant identified him,
and at once gave him into custody. The prisoner
said that if she did not press the charge, he would
restore all the property, and pay her expenses back
to Southampton. This she refused, and be was
taken to the station. He then produced a bunch
of keys, and pointed to one of the boxes, which
upon being opened was found to contain the god
watch and a great deal of other property, consist-
ing of jewellery. The prisoner's brother said that
he had left a carpet hag and a leather trunk at
Hampton Court station, which was found to be
correct, and they contained the whole of the this
sing plate. The other boxes contained a large
quantity of property, which is supposed to be the
proceeds of other robberies. The police also found
seventeen si. Bank notes upon the prisoner.
Mr. Ingham remanded the prisoner for inquiries.