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PUBLICATIONS.

anniversary of an agricultural society ; not that we
are agriculturists or practical farmers, out merely
because we are county members. And allow me to
ask what do county members know about mangold-
wurtzel ? (Laughter.) I suppose we are invited
because we are expected to say something about
Delhi land Cawnpore ; but my friend has said no-
thing political is allowed. Well, I will promise not
to say anything about Delhi or Cawnpore tonight.
I will 'dick to farming on this occasion at any rate.
(A laugh.) I like those cups that have been dis-
tributed this evening, but I harAly admire them
empty. (Laughter.) I should like to see them
filled with real good ale, such as I used to have
when I was a young man—ale of 10 bushels to the
hogshead--4hat was the thing when I was young ;
but it has now gone clean out of the county, for I
don't know where it is to be found—in fact, I don't
believeit is to be found in the county. It hasbeen said
that the longer we live the more we advance. That
may be true to some extent, but wo don't advance
in all things—at least not in beer. (Laughter.)
But you must advance ; you must leave nothing
undone that you ought or can do. It is all very
well for a boarding-school girl to say, "I have only
another year to stay and my education will be
finished." That might do for her, but not for a
man with any brains at all. (Laughter.) A man
never haa his education finished, and all I can say
to you in this room is, that it you do not farm be:ter
now than you did ten years ago you must bs great
dolts indeed. (Laughter.) I see on one. of the
banners here the words, " Scientific Agriculture."
Well, that means that you must experirnentalise.
You cannot do anything without experiments.
You cannot advance in your undertakings ; you
°intuit effect any grand improvements ; you cannot
hope to succeed, without you make experiment-.
It is to the results of experiments you must look
for advancement and success. You may talk of
education ; but what is the use of all your educa-
tion without you put it to some practical use ?
lam no enemy of education ; but I am an enemy
to cant and humbug wherever I find it—(laughter)
—and I think the present systeni of education in
your schools is n )thing more than rank nonsense.
I want to see every class of society, everybody edit
cated. The farmers need some additional educa-
tion, and I should like them to have it and their
children, too, and the children of the peasant popu-
lation I should like to see better educated. But I
want to see them have a practical and usefel eche.-
cation ; and one great feature is, to make the girls
cook and wash, which many of them cert drily can
not do at the present time. (Laughter.) It is no
good talking about education without you are pre-
pared to teach something practical and useful.
As I before said, I am n ) enemy of educ ition ; but
my opposition certainly extends to the present use-
less system adopted in many instances. I went to
two ministers of the Crown last year, when an
immense number of skilled artisans were out of
employment at Woolwich, and what do you think
those two fellows told me ? (A laugh.) Why,
they told we that labour would find its level, like
water. Very likely • but water did not have a
wife and seven children. (Much laughter.)
It is all humbug to talk about supply and demand.
(A. laugh.) I have no doubt that in the cohr.se of '
time, the Dorking labourers may be compelled to
go to Liverpool for employment ; but if tip* wait
until Liverpool can employ them all, I am, afraid
many will die of starvation before the day
arrives.
Ther• is no' doubt, however, that you are better
farmers than the round frock farmers used to be.
But where is the round frock Ido not lire to see
that superseded. It has, however, gone out of fa-
shion of late; but I do not know the roaseh why.
A similar change has taken place in Scotland since
Englishmen took to grouse shooting in that part of
the United Kingdom, for at the present time not a
kilt is to be seen but what are worn by Englishmen.
(Laughter.) But lam tiling you, I w:11, however,
again impress upon you the necessity of becoming
scientific agriculturists. You must learn to kuow
what you require, and how to apply it when you
have obtained it. There is a medical man sitting at
this table ; but what good would he be if lie did
not know what to do when called upon I It was no
use when one child was sick here and another there,
for the doctor to say he did not know what was the
matter with them, but to give them physic merely
because it was physic, without knowing what effect
Sn - •-i34 1..0nn know what your land and what your roots require
before you apply your present remedy for all ills—
dung (laughter), merely because it is dung • and
what ix dung ? Only something that stinks. (Much
laughter.) You must find out what your turnips
and your mangolds require before you apply the
same thing to both, when perhaps one ought to bs
treated quite in a different manner. It is true,
perhaps, that a man, after 40, never get a new idea;
but you have sons and daughters ; you must see
that they don't fall into the same errors as those
who went before tbem. Forty years ago it was a
rare thing to get wheat weighing 601 b. to the bushel ;
now, however, nothing is thought of 66:133. ; but let
me tell you that you are cultivating more wheat
than you are mutton. (Laughter.) You can't go on
in this way much longer ; for what is supposed to be
mutton now is made of great lambs, and is not
mutton at all. Another thing I wish to say a word
or two upon—namely, the improved dwellings for
farm labourers. My friend here (Mr. Hop .) is as
rich as Croesus—(laughter)—and what is more for-
tunate, he is a very benevolent man ; and so he
builds very fine cottages. But there is a very im-
portant question to be asked, how does the system
pay ? You can't look for more than 31. per year
rent for your cottages from farm labourers. No
doubt some charge more ; but that is wrong ; 31.
is as much as you ought to expo t to receive.
Well, then, if you build large helms how is it to
pay ? Houses must be warmed—net that I believe
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field, and they can find as much as they like; and
of course any person living in a wood country would
be a fool to buy any fuel when he can get it for n 0 -
thing. (Laughter.) So in the north, where people
lived at the mouth of the coal-pit ;of course they
did not purchase fuel. But fuel cannot always be
had for nothing, so that it will be useless to build.
large houses with great windows if the people in-
tending to occupy them have nothing to warm them.
All these are practical questions of detail; but
they are worthy of consideration, and the whule
wisdom consists in their successful application.
Several other toasts having been given and re-
sponded to,

OPINIONS OF M.P.s ON THE INDIAN

MUTINIES.

he had received from the town on every occasion
of his having presented himself. He felt pleased
that, meeting as they did for a philanthropic
object, the gloom which had overspread the
face of the country, in consequence of re-
cent disastrous events appeared to be about to dis-
perse. It was a matter of pleasure and also of con-
gratulation that at length those clouds which had
obscured the horizon seemed gradually to brighten,
and he trusted would soon disperse. (Cheers.)
They must congratulate theinselves that while those
clouds still hung over them, and while the assist-
ance of all right-minded ,and good-feeling men
throughout the land wets required, the borough of
Reading was not behind hand. (Cheers.) They
had seen the magnificent and truly philanthropic
subscription from this borough, which added to
the credit it had already maintained. He sincerely
hoped that we had heard the worst of the news
which was to come upon us from the far-distant re-
gions of India. (Rear.) He thought that it must
be a subject of
pride and congratulation, in the
midst of the misfortunes that had fallen upon us,
to consider that those very misfortunes had given
rise to displays
of English courage, energy,
effort, and per;:everance which must impress the
nations of the world with the conviction that
the prestige of England bad in no way diminished.
(Cheers.) We had seen some instances in India not
merely of military glory, but instances of courage,
energy, and of perseveiatice upon the part of that
handful of Europeans who-remained in that mighty
empire without extraneous applause that must have
struck all Europe with admiration. (Applause.) It
was a subject of the deepest congratulation—he
would say of thankfulness also, that the great event
which had lately taken place was the destruction of
the stronghold of those miscreants that possessed
it, and the utter annihilation of the shambles in
which those butche-s of humanity revelled. (Ap-
plause.) It was a subject of congratulation to think
that that had been achieved before the arrival of one
of the 40,000 bayonets despatched from this country
across the seas to their assistance. He would say
that the effort which sent across. those 40,000 men
within the short space of a few weeks after the news
arrived, which found this country disarmed and in
its peaceful garb, when this country had reduced
its war establishment upon the proper cry of the
people, in which cry the town of Reading and
himself took part—he would say that when taxa-
tion was reduced and the country was disarmed, the
effort made by the Government of the country in
sending out the enormous force it did under such
circumstances, and at such a time, across the wide
ocean to vindicate the rights and honour of this
country was without parallel in the history of Eng
land. (Applause.) The Solicitor-General after.
wards dilated upon topics which were only
of local
interest.

MR. LABOI7CHERE.

On Monday last, at a meeting at Taunton, pre-
sided orer by Mr. Kinglake, M.P., the author of
Eothen.

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Mr. LABOUCHERE, in responding to the toast of
"The members for the borough of Taunton,"
spoke at some length upon the subject of the day-..
the.lndian mutiny. It was far from his intention
to enter into any discussion of the causes of that
mutiny; but he could not help saying—and he was
persuaded that he was not speaking his own senti-
ments only, but those of every man who heard him,
when be said—it was an honourable distinction of
tke times in which they lived, that whatever party
differences might exist among them, and whatever
divisions there were in England upon questions
which arose suddenly among them, in the face of
any great public difficulty and danger they were
united as one man. (Cheers.) Englishmen pre-
sented their closed ranks on all great occasions of
national peril, and whether it came upon them in
the form of a foreign aggression or in the shape of
this great Indian calamity, they assumed the ap
pearance of a noble and united phalanx. (Cheers.)
Those events had excited in that town not only the
interest they could not but all feel as Englishmen,
but also a painful anxiety among many families
there who had been grievous sufferers by the
calemity ; and the horrors of it had been brought
home to their bosoms by the accounts of the un-
paralleled sufferings of their countrymen and
countrywomen, which they had received from time
to time. He begged them to believe that the mem-
bers of her Majesty's Government were endeavour-
ing to the best of their ability to discharge the
great duty which devolved upon them at this mo-
mentous crisis. At present it was their determi-
nation boldly to confront the danger, and to
assert the law and authority of British rule in that
country. (Cheers.) They were all aware under
what circumstances the Indian insurrection took
place. Undoubtedly it took them by surprise ;
and for some time our countrymen--.b mere hand-
ful of men—were left to enter upon one of the
most tremendous struggles which we had ever
had to encounter. The first assistance came from ' Englishmen, but not from England. There were,
fortunately, in parts of the world nearer India than
England the means ofsending help to our countrymen
in India. It so happened that a large expedition
was going to China under Lord Elgin, and Lord
Elgin, with a promptitude and energy which did
him infinite credit; without waiting orders from
England, as soon as he heard of the state of mat-
ters in India, made the best of his way with the
troops to the scene of the disorder. (Cheers.) He
(Mr. Labouchere) might also say, connected as he I
was with the colonies, that this country was under
a deep debt of gratitude to the Governors of Ceylon,
the Mauritius, and the Cape, for the timely sue-
cour and assistance afforded by them. His friend,
the Governor of Ceylon, surrounded by a large
body of natives, at once despatched almost every
European soldier he had in Ceylon in order to lend
the most timely aid to the Governor of Bengal ;
and in like manner the Governor of the Mauritius
sent off two regiments, the arrival of which in In-
dia he verily believed had the effect of preserving
the peace in the district where they landed ; while
the Governor of the Cape supplied a much larger
force. Most fortunately, at the time when those
events happened in India, the danger of a great
Kafir war was no longer imminent ; Sir G. Grey
was therefore enabled to send off four regiments to
India, and he (Mr. Labouchere) hoped he would be
able to contribute still further forces. He thought
the conduct of the English colonists at the Cape
was beyond all praise, coming forward and volun-
teering as they had done to perform garrison duty,
besides contributing money, to send the earliest and
greatest amount of assistance at a time when no
soldiers had yet arrived from England. (Cheers.)
That fearful interval of apprehension and anxiety,
he trusted, was now at an end, because they had
the assurance that thousands of English troops
would have, ere that time, been landed on the soil
of India ; and he hoped that henceforward the ti -
ings they might receive from India would be those
of the gradual re-establishment of peace and order
in Web XlO4 (01.mvao.) IL .• w uuq..
to presume to predict the result. That was yet in
the hands of Providence alone. Every hour might
bring them accounts from the scene of action that
the expectations which they had reason to form had
been realised. But he felt confident that the
Government of this country would not fail to act
up to their fearful responsibilities, which they be-
lieved were not lessened, but increased, by the man-
ner in which they (the Government) had been sup-
ported by all parties in the country. He acknow-
ledged that it was the duty of the Government
not only to put clown this rebellion and to esta-
blish law and order, but to look c!osely into the
causes by which it has been produced, and to ex-
amine narrowly the circumstances of the Indian
Government, not only in its military organisation,
but the civil administration of the affairs of that
country. (Cheers.) That duty, he thought, the
Government were prepared to undertake, and
nothing, he trusted, would be wanting on their
part to the fulfilment of it, in the full confidence
that they will be supported by the country.
(Cheers.)

PRE EARL OF HARROWBY.
At the annual dinner of the Sandon and Mar-
ston Agricultural Society, at Sandon, on Wednes-
day, the Right Hon. the Earl of Harrowby, in pro-
posing " The Health of the Army and Navy,"
spoke as follows :—I eannot mention the army
without reverting to what our soldiers have been
an l ate undergoing in India ; I cannot
mention the name of the army without thinking
of that distant land where our brave soldiers
are undergoing all the horrors of war, aggravated
by an unhealthy climate, and the treachery—l do
not know whether to say the treachery of friends
or of enemies. The accounts of this mutiny have
reminded me of the expression of the Psalmist—
" If it had been mine enemy that had done this I
could have borne it." If the calamity had come
upon us from some foreign foe it would have been
bad enough, but coming from our own subject.,
our old familiar friends, it is doubly hard to bear.
Gentlemen, you know what difficulties our army
has had t encounter. Not only have our country-
men had to meet danger upon the open field, where
man meets man in honourable fight, regulated by
the common princip'es of warfare, but it has met
them in their own tents, around their own mess-
tables, amongst their own people, who had in many
cases deceived them by assurances of friendship and
fidelity. They were unprepared to meet the dan-
ger ; they were scattered up and down in hundreds
and fifties ; they were surprised, and had no time
to organiss a plan of det4bee ; they have met an
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petted to find friends. ell, gentlemen, how have
our countrymen behaved under these circum-
stances ? Their conduct has rendered them objects
of affection and esteem to their countrymen, and
has elicited admiration and applause even from the
most jealous of our neighbours. ,It used to be said
in Pagan times that the noblest sight the gods en-
joyed was to s e a good man struggling with ad-
versity. Gentlemen, lam quite sure that the his-
tory of the world has furnished no nobler spectacle
for the admiration of either gods or men than that
exhibited by our gallant countrymen in India.
Taken by surprise, attacked by overwhelming
numbers, and without provisions or adequate
means of defence, they have yet manfully held their
own, waiting for succour to arrive. That succour,
gentlemen, I hope is nigh, and the worst is past.
Our few troops were at a distance of half the world
from succour ; they were taken at the most un-
heal. by season of the year • they were totally un-
prepared for the danger. We had guarded against
danger from outward foes, but not against trea-
chery within ; and when the native troops proved
unfaithful we were almost without Euro-
pean troops to fall back upon. But even
under difficulties like these our men have
been able to hold their own. (Cheers.) But for the
news of the last two days we could not have said
more than this ; but now we may FAY
that not only
have they been able to hold their own, but they
have re-conquered the ancient capital of India.
(Loud cheers.) Gentlemen I think now our anxie-
ties with regard to Indiamay be said to be almost
at an end. A•continuous stream of British troops
has for some time been landing upon the shores of
India ; and I am
quite sure the next mail will bring
us news of troops pouring in from all the different
presidencies,
from Calcutta, Bombay, and Madras,
and up to the Indus, sufficient to re-establish every-
where the supremacy of Britain.
Let us not forget,
in the feelings which naturally arise at the success-
ful termination of the struggle,
our own shortcom-
ings. Very recently, when the war with Russia
broke out, and we were brought into contest with
the most powerful military
nation in Europe, we
were taken unprepared. We then swore by all the
gods that we never would be taken in that way
again. But as soon as the war was over what was
the course we pursued ? c, Get rid of the income
tax—cut down the army—ecut down the navy," was
the cry ; and in compliance with that demand the
Government did reduce the army and navy until,
when this mutiny broke out, we were entirely un-
prepared for it, and had hardly a soldier in the
country. Enough of this, gentlemen ; let us not
do so again ; let us in future not only be prepared
to make sacrifices in the face of danger, but when
the danger is past, gentlem-n, I hope that lessons
from the Crimea and from In lie will not be thrown
away upon
and that we shall not be found un-
prepared in future. It is difficult to separate the
tiou of the future government of India. It is, of
question of the present mutiny from the considera-
course, impossible at this moment to fix the precise
limits of the struggle ; but there is no doubt our
rule will be re-established over that country ; and
then will come the important duty of re-organising
our government over 130,000,000 of people. The
government of India is a problem of which the his-
tory of the world furnishes no solution ; and oar
indulgence is demanded for those upon whom the
task of reconstituting our government in that
country
httryat moremayfallh. It has been a subject of reproach
toas not been done for India in the
improvement. No doubt more might have
you must bear in mind the difficulty
beenway of
done,
but
arising from the danger of offending the prejudices
and outraging the feelings of the natives, while we
were obliged to govern by the aid of the natives
themselves. If we had a sufficient number of Euro-
pean troops to govern the country the case would be
different, but that is manifestly impossible ; the
finances of the Indian government would be ruined
by the attempt. We must govern it through the
people themselves, through their own feelings and
prejudices, or give up the attempt to govern it at
all. The noble lora, after a few other observations,
directed attention to the beneficial change effected
in the moral character of our soldiers during the past
few years, and concluded by proposing the toast
above referred
to, which was enthusiastically re-
ceived.

- A testimonial, consisting of a magnificent tea and
coffee service, was presented to Mr. T. Page, the
hon. secretary, for his indefatigable exertions in
carrying on the affairs of the association.
The proceedings were continued until an advanced
hour of the evening.

THE MEMBERS FOR EAST SUFFOLK.
Mr. W. MILES, M.P., in acknowledging his
health at the meeting of the Farrington Gurney
Agricultural Association, said, that on an occasion
like the present, it was generally expected that a
representative should declare his opinion on the
most important public measures of the day. He
believed that if ever there was a question on which
unanimity prevailed throughoutthe country among
all classes, it was that of the Indian mutiny. They
could not but look back with horror audthedeepest
disgust at what had taken place in that country,
—a country in which we had been known for up-
wards of a century as Englishmen—a country in
which we had endeavoured as much as we possibly
could, and with great success, to educate, and at
the same time, as far at; Government could, to do
good to the natives ; and yet, when little expected,
though foreseen by some who had been many years
resident there, a mutiny had broken out which
had put in jeopardy our Indian empire,
and in which bad been exhibited horrors
of the most detestable character. He was always for
mercy when mercy could be fairly meted out, but
one cry had gone through this country—that of
summary vengeance upon such scoundrels as, de-
spising our rule, bad wreaked their vengeance on
unoffending women and children. Not only our
countrymen, but our countrywomen and their chil-
dren, have been massacred, and, until a thorough
expiation took place, England, he was prowl to
think, would never be satisfied. That a great
change must take place in the Government of India
he had no doubt ; that was a subject which was
growing in the minds of all men who gave it the
least consideration. At present, however, they
had nothing to do with what the future Govern-
me

!nt of India should be. But of this he thought
there could be no doubt, that a double Government
could no longer exist that the Queen must rule su-
preme iu that country, and the whole of the Minis-
ters
must be subject to the e-mtrol of public opinion
rather than under an Indian Board. The chairman
had alluded to the heroism of those little bands who
had withstood such onslaughts in India. Great As
had been their prowess, did it not strike all who
had thought upon the subject that if a Providence
from on high had not directed their hands—if the
Almighty,. whom we revered, had not been with
them, their strength would have been idle, and no
longer should we have maintained our dominion iu

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the great difficulty respecting
long after the time of his fie tor.
armies' institutions, and appilellticiaineseisi
Birkbefej These institutions were the institutions in vel;tell the middle classes and the Upper sert of the mid-
tile classes had the management ; but the Carlisle
rule had completely obviated the difficulty; This had
been brought about by his friend, Dr. Elliott of
Carlisle. The same thing had" been doge, by Dr.
Nicholson, at " Pearetb," and the same rule had
been applied at Kendal, in Cheshire, and in part,
of Lancashire, and was working well 'wherever it
had been adopted, by putting the management of
those institutions into the hands not of three-
fourths or of two-thirds of working men,. but the
whole managing committee shall he, according to
this rule, men receiving and living by weekly wages.
(Hear:) The chairman had alluded to the measures
of which be (Lord Brougham) laid the foundation
40 years ago in respect of the charitable trusts. He
had recently witnessed an instance at Brummagem
(Birmingham) of the good which had resulted from
the inquiry of the commissioners ; a large revenue
of 13,0001. had been recovered, and King Edward's
College founded, which college was disseminating
the blessings of education. His friendfiir John
Pakington had said that religion's instruction was
the basis of all education. The great problem was
how different sects could be _united under one sys-
tem of education, it beitg admitted that religious
instruction must needs be the foundation ,of educa-
tion. (Hear, hear.) It was found that.all sects
united together in that school, and his friend was
sanguine enough to hope that the same kind of sys-
tem there adopted may become universal. In all
the education bills be had presented, first in 1820,
then in 1830, 1833, 1836, and 1837, and.down to
three years ago, that had been the great :obstacle,
the uniting of persons of different sections and opi-
nions, which would now, if the opinion of his friend
was correct, disappear. The chairman had referred
to the establishment of local courts. He Was much
satisfied with what had been acquired. His bills of
1828, 1830, and 1833, had not been carried to the
length he could have wished, as the: County
Court ought to possess an tqaitahle jurisdiction,
and be extended to 1001. instead of 501. His lord-
ship next r ferred to the.petition presented in Par-
liament by several of the most eminent solicitors in
London, in which it was stated that they could not
ad vi,e any client to go into chanceryforany less sum
than 1,0001., as they would probably get no remedy,
unless perhaps a remedy worse than the disease.
(Laughter.) His lordship next referred to certain
bills which he bad broughtintitne after time, which
after passing the House of Lords, which was agreat
e. thin, were thrown out by the ouse of Commons.
The House of Lords had been called thceobstruc-
tives, but of late it was the ()liar way. His friends
Mr. Howard, Mr. N. Hodgson, and Mr. Steel be-
longed to the profession. (Laughter.) Butahe truth
must be told, and if there were obstructives in the
way they were not in the House of Lords. Some-
times they (the lords) did perform a little feat of
obstruction themselves ; but the obstruction has
not been somuch with them lately as with.the House
of Commons. The act Of 1811, which he succeeded
in passing, put that infernal traffic of slavery, not
as an offence agaitist the revenue, but a; a crime of
the deepest dye, and which was followed by the
final abizeition of slavery. These were great and
glorious triumphs, and as far as England was con-
cerned, slavery in her dominions existed no more.
These were great triumphs of the principles of hu-
m tnity and of justice; but if we were called upon
to retrace our steps, and to retravel the ground for
70 or SO years—if we were called upon to restore
Africa to the horrors of that infernal traffic, or our
West India settlements to their state of negro sla-
very, should we not rather any other course, than
lie guilty of such weakness? And the abandonment
of our Eastern Empire would be productive of pre-
cisely the same effects—(applause)—for it was not
that England depended on India for wealth, not
teat England depended on India for power—if
England had neversetfoot in India, or if Ludiawere
taken from her, her wealth and her power would
still remain the same, but then we should hand over
millions of the unhappy inhahitants of India to all
the horrors of primitive barbarism, as when our
reign ceased, there would then commence the reign
~f anarchy, of rapine, and of blood. We, who had
for a lengthened period, in fact fr en our possession
of India, imparted a partial civilisation ; we, who
had conferred upon them the inestimable blessings
of an administration of justice, generally speaking
pure—pure when compared to her own, we should
then hatad those unhappy people over to all the
horrors of thegovernment of their own native chiefs,
still fighting among themselves, and bringing the
treater amount of misery upon their unhappy slit-
j• vs. Therefork.tthe thought of aband,uling Itidia
was entirely out of the question—(hear)—that
is, providing we are not compelled to give it up,
Leaven avert the possibility of such a thing ! He
(Lord Brougham) did not believe that it was within
the limits of possibility that such an eyent shonl
Siappeu. „ be Igwerea,
our reputati,,n tarnished ' • and when national
honour departed a country lost its only safe protec-
ton. Some one once said to Mr. Fox, " This is a
war only upon a point of national honour." "Only
upon national honour," said ho, "i should like to
know how any war could be defended upon any
other ground. (Hear, bear.) Unless you come to
a point of national honour, which means national
existence, you had better not go to war at ail." He
therefore called upon them to make every snerifiee,
and to strain every nerve; for if they were driven
out of India, they were safe nowhere else. His
(Lord Brougham's) hon. friend had said, that after
this great struggle was over—it was only a struggle
with an armed body of mutineers—that when the
struggle was over, much would remain to be done
to prevent the recurrence of mischief, and to iva-
prove the administration of the country. The
giving of it up was impossible on all bands, for we
were habituated to supreme sway there; we were
inured to empire, but some modification of our
government—of our administration rather than our
government—was required, which would come
under the consideration of Parliament. Another
point mooted was the limits of the retribution to be
inflicted, but that question would be decided long
before Parliament was called upon to deliberate.
Justice ought to take precedence. Far be it
from him (Lord Brougham) not to wish that
every possible means should be taken whereby
the innocent should be separa`ed from the
guilty ; but that severe punishment was ne-
cessary—that retribution was almost a matter of
course—that, as on the banner before him, justice
must be placed above mercy, was a matter of ne-
cessity. Oilier banners might placo the words
" Peace and harmony, honour and loyalty," on a
level, but justice and mercy must follow in 3-•
quence, and justice must precede mercy. (Hear.)
'Though not immediately connected with social
progress and social economy, it seemed impossible
tor him (Lord Brougham) to refrain from saying a
word on the subject. (Hear, hear.) He begged
once more to return his most hearty thanks for the
great, the almost unexampled kindnessiwhich had
been conferred upon him.
His lordship resumed his seat amid loud applause.
Several other toasts were afterwards given and
responded to, and when his lordship left the George
Hotel he was loursly cheered by an immense con-
course of people who had assembled outside.

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India ? Providence bad been seen in all their acts,
in all their heroism ; and he was proud to say that
in almost every one of those short and soldier-like
letters coming from General Havelock the first
power he alluded to was the Almighty, as gainin
'he victory. So long as we trusted in the Almighty hand—so long as we did everything in our power
to promulgate Christianity throughout idolatrous
lands, if we only prayed and supplicated, if we
only looked for aid from on high, the Lord would
defend us. It was under His power that the little
bands in India had gone forth to fight ; they had
been maintained by that power, and by it he
believed the enemies of England would yet be
subjugated. Such was his belief—such, be felt
convincad, must be the belief also of those who
had hitherto been enab'ed to withstand such mul-

tit udes. Those treacherous mutineers were men
who had lven trained in our own service—men who
had proved themselves good soldiers in many a
fight ; and yet when they had turned against us—
when they had spurned the haxtri that cheridied
them, and which had brought Chris ianity and
civilisation among them—there had been a power
extended to save us, and to show to the world that
England was destined to go forth and conquer by
the exhibition of the cross.

Mr. W. F. KNATCHBULL, M.P., in alluding to
the same subject, speaking of the murders and atro-
cities committed isludia, said he trusted that these
dreadful butcheries would speedily meet with the
chastisement they deserved, and that the troops
now arriving in India would inflict just vengeance
both upon the instigators and perpetrators of the
murders which had disgraced that land. He felt
confident that the generalship of Sir Colin Camp-
bell, aided as be was by those Generals and the
small bands that hitherto had kept their ground
against thousands, would he able in a short time to
put an end to that mutiny, and so bring peace and
prosperity again into the country. He fully con-
curred in everything that had been said by his hon.
colleague on this subject, and they might rely upon
his giving his most earnest consideration to every-
thing that was brought forward bearing upon it.

TIIB EPIDEJJIC AT LISBON.

LISBON, OCT. 24.
The prevailing epidemic appears to be increasing
instead of yielding before the advance of winter
and the prevalence of a much colder atmosphere.
The deaths during the last ten days have averaged
some 80 to 90 daily. It is said that the Viscount
de Hotta and Carlos Bento, Minister of the In-
terior, are indisposed. The well known actor Epi-
fanio, of the Theatre of Donna Maria IL, is among
the recent victims of the fever.

Although au immense number of the inha-
bitants of Lisbon have fled into the villages
and townships around the capital, few cises
of the epidemic have yet occurred there. The King
still continues to reside at Necessidades.

Political and commercial news there is none
still nothing is talked about or thought of but the
dreadful disease which weekly adds its hundreds to
the bills of mortAlity.
Several engineers in the service of Sir M. Peto
arrived by the last packet, arid the surveys of the
line to Oporto are now going on
The Peninsular picket Tagus arrived on the
22d inst., but as usual had no communication with
the city ; she merely received th mails made up
the same de ein two tarred boxt,s, for fear of infection, and left
y for the south.

THE LATE ESCAPE OF A. TIGER IN RATCLIFF-lIIGFIWAY;
---The boy go seon ri"
tsly
ion Hosinpji
uaried is progressing favour.
ably at the LTHE FORGERY CASE AT IitJ.LL —On Wednesday the
es
investigation of one of the char
es of forgery against
Mr. R. S. Bright, the bankrupt,was resumed at the
Roll Police-court, before the mayor and several of the
other magistrates. At ten o'clock, when the court was
opened, a very large crowd of persons had assembled in
the Townball-yard, near the court, end the numbers
afterwards considerably increased, as inptediricsee
businessinterest
h Tlos.
appeared to be taken in the proceedings. It was decided
that the case should be taken as near 11 o'oblroocukgats
into
thehad
court
and
sib I e , and about that
andtime
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admitted into the court
Continued to be filled
ation, and a large crowd
court, but very many
were
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tenwi :di: eoai sitseatcdeedfaehdne
and the
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bfoeiroggeryrewfuesreedp.r_efliaerreid.
Mr. Bright,
for
Ewho at the close of the examination
against
teird
committedoutside.
was l9
Mercury.