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London, England, 1857-03-18 00:00:00

MPERIA

lAMENT.

HOUSE OF LORDS.—(YEsTERDAy.)
The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat on the wool
sack at 5 o'clock.

Lord DUNGANNON gave notice of his intention to
move for a copy of the depositions in the case of an
assault adjudicated upon by the Justices of Kilkenny,
and in which certain persons connected with the Irish
Church Mission were complainants, and James Ryan
was defendant.
BREACHES OF TRUSTS.
Lord ST. LEONARDS" inquired whether it was the
intention of Government early next session to bring in a
bill to render persons guilty of a breach of trust crimi-
nally,liable. The noble lord said the law as it at present
stood rendered it necessary that a measure of this nature
should be speedily passed, in order that the evils at pre-
sent existing might be remedied, and narrated several
cases that had occurred, in which numbers of widows
and orphans had lost the whole of their property
through the improper conduct of certain persons who
bad been appointed their trustees.
The LORD CHANCELLOR said a bill had been
already prepared by the Government on the subject,
and it would be brought in immediately upon the as-
sembling of the new Parliament, but it was only to inest
the cases of trustees who had been criminally guilty for
their own benefit. There was great difficulty in the
case.

Lord ST. LEONARDS said, such being the case, he
should bring in a bill as a pendant to the bill of the Go-
vernment to protect trustees who had properly per-
formed their duty.

, CHINA.
In reply to a question from the Earl of HARDWICKE,
relative to the production of the papers connected with
the war in China,

Earl GRANVILLE said if the noble earl had been
in his place when the noble earl the Secretary for Foreign
Affairs had last addressed the house, he would have
heard that there was no objection to produce
the papers alluded to. The noble earl seemed
to think that Sir J. Bowring was to blame for everything
that bad occurred in China, but he did not think
that Sir J. Bowring was at all to blame for the
naval operations that had taken place. He was
prepared to assert that both Sir J. Bo wring and Admi-
ral Seymour had acted with the greatest judgment, and
had conducted the operations with prudence ever since
the commencement of the war.
Earl GREY said so far from concurring in the opinion
of the Ministry, be was convinced that the war was most
imprudently begun, with means which were ineffectual,
and now having committed great, cruelties they were
reduced to a most ignominious state of defence, which
was neither likely to do honotir to the kingdom nor our

arms.
The Earl of ELLENBOROUGH said Sir J. Bowr-
ing ought to have known that Hong Kong was depen-
dent on the individual character of the Chinese, and he
ought to have taken steps or abstained accordingly.
Earl GRANVILLE again referred to the previous
operations against China, reiterated his opinion that it
was not fair to put upon Sir J. Bowring the whole of
the odium of this affair. His duty was to consult with
the Admiral, and as he found aat a small ope•
ration had been successful in obtaining a great
result, he was justified in supposing that the
force there was quite sufficient to justify him in ad-
vising the Admiral, as he had done, at all events to sanc-
tion his proceedings ; and the mere circumstance of the
measures they had taken having met with considerable
resistance ought not to be urged against him.
Earl DERBY said this was net the first time that Sir
J. Bowring had made a fatal mistake, and he must be
prepared to take the re=sponsibility of his aetions.
Lord PA.NMETRE contended that Admiral Ssyrneur
had done everything that was possible for bim to accom-
plish in the Canton river. The Emperor of China had
sent instructions to the officers of the other four ports to
preserve ainieahle relations with the British, leaving the
authorities at Canters to settle their disagreements with
this country themselves.
The Earl of ELLENBORO LTG Q said that there was
no charge whatever against Admiral Seymour far the
conduct of the operations ; but the whole of the b:ame
rested with Sr J. Bowring, who had ordered the opera-
ions to take place.
After some further desultory conversation, the discus-
sion was broailt to a class.
PRIVATE BITSTNES -3.
On the motion of L'ird REDESDALE, the standing
orders were di-pensed with in the case o Rite Corn wall
Railway, Plice's Pa•ent Candle Company Bill, and the
White,i,aven and Cieator Railway CiAnpany Bill, and
the tills were read a second time.
The,edstoms Duties Btll, the Racehorse Doty and A,-
sesnuent Bid, Cinque Ports Aat Amendment Bill, and
Pauper Maintena. ce A( it Bill were read a second time
and ordered to be committed.
The Camaii-sionen of Supply (3cotllnd) B It was read
a third time and passed.
The Income Tax B il, the Indemnity Bill, the Copy-
hold and Enclosure Commission Bill, Eoura-Parochial
Place, and the Ecclesiastical Julie liction Bill pa4sed
through committee without amendment, and were ordered
t.• he report.O.
Visc,,unt DUNGANNON inquired whether the sys-
tem gt at.ttug tickw's of leave t convicts was for the
su,pindtd until s one means of dispoAn LI them
±,y transpottation otherwise shoul I have beeng laid be-
foie Partiament by her Nije4tv'. G.veronient
'lle Earl of lI.A.WtOWBY was understood to say
ti at tickets of leave would oury la, given to a vet,. few
cz;nvicts who were (miler sente,.ce, and wild) respec., to
whom favoerai.de reports had been received by the
cerement.

WAR WITH. CHINA. ,
Tae Marquis of INRICAIfDE inquired of the
Secretary of State f.,r War what pay awl alio wane is the
:fl5 e.rs end Aid hers about to br sent t ) China were t
receive, and also inqured whetle.-r the noble I)rd would
have any olie.ction to lay upon the table of the house
a I e:trarate or return showing the cooparative c,.st of
the BritAtt regiments servjto in the Persian Gulf and
upon the coast of Cnioa? Ha undentood that the troops
sent to China were not_ ko receive the carne pay ai the-
troops serving in the Perdan Gulf, and he could not tic-
demand why such diff,rence stsould exist Something
had been sail about camp followers. He could not see
the utility of camp fillowers at all.
Lord PANSIURE said that a difference did exist.
Those troops sent from this coati-try would not receive
the same pay as those in the service of the East India
Company. The troops would receive the usual pay, while
the rations would be increased. There was by the regu-
laticns an allowance, called the extraordinary fiel r allow-
ance, which officers received preparati,ry to taking the
field. The officers of this expedition would receive s x
months' advance by that extraordinary field allowance,
which would enable them to prepitte for taking the &Li.
On the arrival of troops in Hong Kong, there was in the
Mauritius and Ceylon the colonial allowance, and the
officers of the expedition woad be placed in the same
position with regard to that colonial allowance as the
officers already in the colony. He had no objection to
produce the papers required. In this expedition, while
every attention would be paid to economy, every atten-
tion would at the same time be paid to the health of the
troops and the maintenance of their efficiency, and for
that purpose the Government had resolved, as the troops
would land in China in the hot season, to attach to those
troops camp-followers frbm India, and Gen. Ashburn-
ham had been applied to to use his experience in getting
those carnp•fellowers. There would be a sanitary estab
lishment at Penang for the sick of the army, who would
be removed thereto by steam vessels provided for that
purpose, and every precaution would be taken to prevent
those evils which were felt in the last Chinese war.
The Earl of ELLENBOROUGH did not think the
colony ought to be saddled with the additional colonial
allowances to those officers.
Lord PANMURE said that would not.be; the ailow-
anee would be made by this country.
Toe Earl of ELLENBOROUGH explained what was
meant by camp-followers. They were coolies, and per-
sons who carried water and other valuable labourers.
With regard to increasing the rations of the troops, he
wou!d remind the noble earl from experience that the
worst thing a man could do in these hot climates was to
eat much. The less a person had to eat the better, and
the noble lord would find that in India he could not eat
such a dinner as he could here. He thought the officers
of this expedition would have to incur great expenses in
fitting out. They were not going to garrison, but to war.
Therefore, if any peculiar indulgence were extended to
them, consistent with principle, and which would not be
creating an inconvenient precedent, he thought it would
be moat desirable to extend that indulgence. Allusion
the other night was made to the relations between this
country and France, and the noble lord opposite ex-
pressed his satisfaction that the troops of France would
co-operate with ours. He (the Earl of Ellenborough)
presumed the noble lord meant force, because no French
troops had been sent. He (the Earl of Eileaborough)
would deeply regret such co-operation. France had no
tonal erel with China ; indeed we had no qua'rel with
nClissitii_rTeereuareel was with the Cantonese and Corn-
e b. Et would be a deplorable thing to in-
clude the other fr ports. He desired peace, and the
re-establishment of parts' He
did not desire to extort
now terms from the Emperor of China. He would sus_
gest to the Government the propriety of sending out 4n-
mediate peremptory orders to flushire to fiirward from
thence the additional force which had been sent there
which was not now
ht be a requbsolired, on to China. The presence of that force migutely required at Sin
and Hong Kong. ga ore
The order could reach Bushiraenoi:ohear
month, and the troops might be at Hong Kong in
month ; so that six weeks would be saved, as the troops
sent from this country would be three months and a half
before they arrived.
Lord PANMURE, with reference to the increase in
the rations, raid the increase meant that they would he
more diversified, so as to be word conducivethe health
of the troops,
Earl GREY hoped we were not
going
,to enThark in
that most fatal measure—an invasion of the great Em-
pire of China. He trusted that her Majesty's Govern
went bad some clear and definite object before theme
because as yet no such object was known to the house.
What did we want with China ? Our interest with China
was simply to carryon onr trade. If we embarked in It
war with China, every Woe, we inflicted would recoil
upon ourselves. If we laid waste the t..wns of China,
we should only render the Chinese worse customers to
us. If we were to attempt an- invasion of China, we
should take a stop fatal to the interests of the country.
The subject then dropped.
On the motion of Earl GRANVILLE,
The house adjourned at halt-past six to twelve o'clock
this day (Wednesday).

HOUSE OF COMMONS.—(YEsTERDAY.)
The &TAXER took the Chair at 4 o'clock.
PRIVATE BILLS.
The following eill3 were read a second time and or-