The Sun.
London, England, 1861-05-08 00:00:00

PRINCESS ALICE (QUEEN'S MESSAGE).

The report of the committee upon the Queen's message
was brought up, and leave was given to bring in a bill to
carry the object of the resolution of the committee into effect.

SUPPLY
The report of the committee of supply was brought up and
agreed to.

WAYS AND MEANS.

Upon the report of the committee of ways and means
being brought up,
Mr. DISRAELI expressed his hope that at that late
hour the noble lord would not proceed with the discussion.
Lord PALMERSTON thought this was quite as im •
portant a matter as the Tramways (Ireland) Bill. (Cheers
and laughter.)
Lord J. MANNERS said they had heard about twenty
minutes ago that a bill of such importance as that relating
to theltraraways Pet Ireland ought not to be proceeded with
at half-past 11 at night, and he wanted to know why the
same principle did not apply in the case of the resolutions
upon the budget. (Cheers.)
Mr. LONG moved the adjournment of the house.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said the
course the Government were taking was the regular, usual,
and, he believed, invariable course; and he did not himself
recollect any instance where, in regard to a resolution agreed
to in committee of ways and means, the practice pursued
was not to appoint the report for the next evening. He did
not deny the right to discuss any measure, and particularly
a financial measure, at every stage, but at the same time it
was usual for the house to have much regard for public
convenience, and for the interest of trade and commerce in
dealing with matters of this description. It was true an
lion. member had given notice to call attention to the
course which the Government proposed to pursue with re-
gard to the financial resolutions, but he must be permitted
to say that this objection had no relation to the stage with
which they were at present concerned, and the notice raised
no issue whatever. It was quite open to the hen. member
to submit a motion to give effect to his objections, but the
proposal of the Government i t this stage was the usual
course, and he trusted that if a division took place upon the
adjournment a majority of the house would be prepared to
mark its sense that the Government had not departed from
the ordinary practice. (Cheers.)
Lord R. CECIL stood aghast at the audacity exhibited
on this occasion by the right hon. gentleman and the Go-
vernment. This was the stage at which the Government
took power to adopt a course of financial legislation unpre.
cedented for half a century. (No, no.) It had hitherto
been the practice to divide measures of finance into separate
bills, and send them up separately to the House of Lords.
But now, for a special political object, to avenge a defeat
and to win the doubtful votes of a special political section,
it was intended to depart from the practice invariably pur-
sued for half a century. And yet the Chancellor of the
Exchequer told them that there was nothing unusual in
what the Government proposed to do. (Cheers.) Half-
past twelve at night was not an hour at which to open a
political question. This was no less a design than that of
altering the constitution of the country. He (Lord R.
Cecil) readily admitted that the design would be utterly
futile, and that it would leave the constitution just where
it found it. The power of the House of Lords would be
entirely unaltered. But whether this were a wise, just,
and politic measure or not, it was a question of far too great
importance, affecting as it did the constitution itself, to
he taken at that hour of night. (Opposition cheers.) The
Chancellor of the Exchequer had endeavoured to persuade
the house that it was only an ordinary routine proceeding,
whereas it was one which required the deepest deliberation.
Sir G. GREYsaid the noble lord had been singularly un-
fortunate that evening—(cheers)—in the display of his utter
ignorance of the forms of the house. The language which
the noble lord had used was such as he would not characte-
rise, because he supposed it was within the strict rules of
parliamentary debate. (Cheers and counter cheers.) His
language, however, was such as happily they had heard from
few hon. members. (Ministerial cheers.) The noble lord
was tmpressea wits rae idea. that a sreat attack wax, in-
tended upon the privileges of the house, and what he said
was that there was a direct design in the resolution proposed
by his right hon. friend. Merely as the organ of the com-
mittee his right hon. friend was entitled to some respect
even from the noble lord. His right hon. friend had pro-
posed the resolution merely as an organ of the committee,
and therefore the charge of misconduct attempted to be
thrown upon him was utterly unfounded. The noble lord
charged his right hon. friend with conduct only becoming
an attorney, and he then accused him of attempting to sub-
vert the privileges of the House of Commons. If the noble
lord had only been acquainted with the forms of the house,
he would have known that this was the only motion which
could have been put from the chair on this occasion, the only
motion, not differing in one word from that which had been
put from the chair after a committee of ways and means,
viz., that leave be given, &c., and then that a bill or bills
be passed in accordance with these resolutions. These were
the terms of the resolution put from the chair. The house
would not be precluded, by adopting that resolution, from
taking a course different to what was taken last year. It
would be open to the noble lord to take an objection at the
proper time. But this was not the proper time ; and no
course which the noble lord could take upon this resolution
could effect the object he had in view. (Cheers.)
Sir J. PAKINGTON said he thought the language of
his noble friend the member for Stamford might be attri- I
buted to his not unnatural excitement, caused— (cheers and
counter cheers)—by the unusual course which had been
adopted by the Government in pressing forward this motion
at this hour of the night. The Chancellor of the Exche-
quer had very emphatically contradicted the statement of
the noble lord the member for Stamford when he said the
course of the Government was without a precedent for the
last 20 years. Whether or not the right hon. gentleman
was literally right in that contradiction, the right hon.
gentleman was utterly unable to state that the course the
Government was about to take was not an unusual course.
Upon the statement of the right hon. gentleman himself it
was evident that some hon. members on this side of the
house were desirous to express their opinions on the course
taken by the Government. Hon. members were bound to
suspect the Government, when they endeavoured to hurry
on business in this indecorous manner, and prevent hon.
gentlemen behind him (Sir J. Pakington) from being
heard. He could not help hoping the right hon. gentle-
man would see the importance of not pressing forward this
resolution.

The house then divided on the motion : " That the house
do now adjourn," and the numbers were :

For the adjournment ..
Against it
Majority ................ .
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he
did not think there would be any advantage to the progress
of public business in endeavouring to force further the pro-
posal of the Government, if there was any disposition
shown by the minority to allow them to proceed in the
usual course. (Hear, hear.) He should therefore pro-
pose that this order of the day be adjourned until Thurs-
day, and he thought there was an especial advantage in
that arrangement, as ii would enable the noble lord the
member for Stamford to reconsider the vocabulary he had
employed. (Cheers and laughter.)
Mr. DISRAELI said he was glad the noble lord (Lord
Robert Cecil) had received this public acknowledgment
from the Chancellor of the Exchequer of his power of ex-
pression. He listened to the noble lord both last night and
to-night, and never heard more constitutional opinions ex-
pressed in more effective language. (Oh, and cheers.) He
hoped the noble lord would be prepared on Thursday night
again to take that part in argument which distinguished
him. He was glad that the right hon. gentleman had at
last seen that it was better to defer to the reasonable wishes
of the house. It might be very well to bully a colleague
—(hear, hear)—but if there was a body of men in the world
who would not be bullied it was the British House of Galli-
mons. Financial measures of this great importance had
never been placed before tho house in this form before—a
form which abridged the privileges of the House of Com-
mons, and abolished the power of revision of the other house.
If all these measures had been brought in in different bills,
the income tax, tea and sugar duties, and paper, there would
have been at every stage of the bill an opportunity of discus-
sing each question. Surely the house ought to have ample
opportunity of discussing these questions. (Oh.) They
might say "oh," but when he was stating a sound consti-
tutional doctrine he was not to be answered by an " oh." It
was no uncommon thing to discuss a resolution on the re-
port. He remembered the right hon. gentleman himself
(the Chancellor of the Exchequer), speaking on a report on
a resolution on the tea and sugar duties; but whether the
right honourable gentleman did or did not, it was
a notorious fact that it was the custom to discuss a re-
solution on bringing up the report. To endeavour at
one o'clock in the morning to prevent a discussion on
the report of a resolution appeared to him as unwise
as it was uncourteous to the house. The lion: mem-
ber for Sligo had given notice of a motion he intended to
bring forward on the report. Ho had no right to assume
that these measures would be placed before them in a form
that he thought unconstitutional and impolitic. The Chan-
cellor of the Exchequer said the state of track demanded that
the measure relating to the paper duty should be passed
immediately. Last year, however, the right hon. gentleman
kept that question open for three woutha, and uo ohe then

heard of the inconvenience to trade. They knew that the
measures would not come into operation for some time ; and
as to the income Viz the right hon. gentleman could propose
it in a separate bill.

The house then adjourned at five minutes past 1 o'clock.

IHE CENSUS RETURNS.

The following are the census returns of several of the
principal boroughs and towns in Yorkshire :-At Barns-
ley in 1851 the population was 17,885; in 1861 it was
14,916. At Bradford, in 1851, the number was 103,786 ;in
1861, 106,203; Batley, in 1851, .+,318; in 1861, 14,364.
Beverley, in 1851, 8,915; in 1861, 9,650. Bingley, in 1851,
13,434 ; in 1861, 13,249. Bradford, in 1851, 103,786 ;
in 1861, 103,203. Bridlington, in. 1851, 5,839 ; in 1861,
8,508. Brighouse, in 1851, 3,278 ; in 1861, 4,557.
Calverley, in 1851, 4 892 ; in 1861, 5,556. Cleckheaton,
in 1851, 5,173 ; in 1861, 6,231. Dewsbury, in 1851,
14,090; in 1861, 17890. Doncaster, in 1851, 12051; in
1861, 16,408. Driffield, in 1851, 3,963 ; in 1861,
4,382. Drighlington, in 1851, 2,740; in 1861, 4,274.
Goole, in 1851, 5,001; in 1861, 6,267. Halifax, in 1851,
33,582 ; in 1861, 37,008. Haworth, in 1851, 6,848 ; in 1861,
5,896. Heckmondwicke, in 1851, 4,540; in 1861, 6,339.
Harrowgate, in 1851, 3,678 ; in 1861, 5,567. Hull, in 1851,
85,502 ; in 1861, 96,509. Keighley, in 1851, 18,258 ; in 1861,
18,815. Knaresborough, in 1851, 4,879 ; in 1861, 4,848. Leeds
(borough) in 1861, 172,258 ; in 1861, 207,134. Morleyin 1851,
4,822; in 1861, 6,835; Northallerton in 1851, 2,970; in
1861, 2,854 Olds decrease is partly owing to the difference
in the number of prisoners in the House of Correction; in
1851 there were 186 prisoners at the time the census was
taken, but in 1811 there were only 100). Ossett in 1851,
6,266 ; in 1861, 7,950. Otley in 1851, 4,751; in 1861, 4,712.
Pudsey, in 1851, 11,603; in 1861, 12,887. Rotherham, in
1851, 6,816; in 1861, 12,094. Saddleworth, in 1851, 17,799;
in ]B6l, 18,629. Scarborough, in 1851, 12,844; in 1861,
18,350. Sheffield, in 1851, 135,283; in 1861, 184,779. Shelf,
in 1851, 3,419; in 1861, 3,065; Skipton, in 1851, 5,044; in
1861, 5,451. Sowerby Bridge, in 1851, 4,633 ; in 1861,
5,384. Thorne, in 1851, 7,501; in 1861, 7,133. Wake-
field, in 1851, 16,990 ; in 1861, 17,601. Wilsden, in 1851,
3,451; in 1861, 2,888. Wyke, in 1851, 2,910; in 1861,
3,016. York, in 1851, 36,302 ; in 1861, 40,151. Except in
one or two isolated instances the above returns show a great
increase of population throughout the manufacturing dis-
tricts of Yorkshire.

A good deal of astonishment, not to say dismay, continues
to be excited in the Eastern Counties by the stationary or
declining numbers of the popplation revealed in the census
returns. The fact is now established beyond all doubt, that
the figures from the purely agricultural districts will ex-
hibit scarcely any increase. A few further illustrations of
this fact, derived from returns published on Saturday,
are appended :

1851. 1861.
Cambridge .. .. 27,803 .. 26,351
Newmarket .. 3,356 .. 3,261
Linton .. .. 2,061 .. 1,831
Mildenb all . . 4,372 . . 4,043
Somersham 1,653 .. 1,621
The returns from agricultural villages might be given almost
ad infinitum, but they point so conclusively to one result
that it is scarcely necessary, to reproduce the figures. The
emigration to the colonies and the States of America has
been principally from the rural districts, and hence the re-
sults now apparent. Agricultural wages must be advanced,
and the condition of the struggling classes must be gene-
rally improved, if employers and capitalists wish to arrest
the emigration which has checked the progress of popula—
tion in the district.

The census returns for Rochester and Chatham, which
in reality form one town, were published yesterday.
The population of Chatham has increased at the rate of 24
per cent. during the last 10 years, the population in 1851
being 31,416, and the returns for 1861 showing it to have
increased to 39,162, viz.,-21,631 males and 17,531 females.
The total number 4)1 troops and other persons connected
with the Government departments in Chatham on the night
of the 7th of April, including convicts, was 9,058. The
population of the city of Rochester has increased from
15,411 in 1851 to 16,996, viz.,-8,138 males and 8,858
females, the increase being at the rate of 10 per cent. The
gross population of Rochester and Chatham is returned at
56,158, which does not include the officers and seamen be-
longing to the various vessels of war at Chatham.
The returns of the population of the different parishes
comprised in the city and borough of Bath give a total of
52,509, being a decrease of 1,739 as compared with 1851.
The returns for Clifton give the following results :—Males,
7,772; females, 13,603—majority of females, 5,931; total,
21,375, being an increase of 3,753 as compared with 1851,
and 7,198 as compared with 1841. The returns for Bristol
are not yet complete, but those made up show a large in-
crease. The population of Bridgewater is 11,928, being an
increase of 1,045 in the last 10 years. Weston •super-Mare
has nearly doubled its population in the last 10 years. The
rapid growth of this place is remarkable. At the census of
1801 the numbers were 187 ; in 1811, 350 ; in 1821 above
600 ; in 1831, 1,310 ; in 1841, 2,105 ; in 1851 about 4,400,
and this year nearly 9,000. The population of Frome is
now 11,150, being a decrease of more than 700 since the
last census.

COUNTRY MARKETS.

NEWCASTLE-UNDER LYNE-MAT 6.

At this corn market there was a limited show of wheat.
The trade was inactive, and prices were about equal to the
rates of last week—white making 60s to 68s red b4s
to 635. The demand for barley was firm, and not much
changed in value. Oats were in steady request, with a
firm sale, from 24s to 27s per 24 stone. Beans made ex-
treme prices, from 44s to 60s per qr.