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London, England, 1861-06-29 00:00:00

HOLYHEAD ROAD BILL.
This bill passed through committee.
PORTPATRICK HARBOUR BILL.

This bill was likewise passed through committee, and
their lordships adjourned.

HOUSE OF COMMONS—YESTERDAY.
The SPEAKER took the chair at twelve o'clock.
IRREMOVABLE POOR BILL.
Mr. VILLIERS moved that the house go into committee
on this bill. He explained that its object was, in the first
place, to reduce the period of residence ; and, in the second
place, to extend the area ; both of which principles seemed
to be admitted as just by practical men connected with
parochial matters throughout the country. He believed
that the bill would be of great benefit not only to this
country but to Ireland. (Hear, hear.) The right hon. gen-
tleman quoted extensively from the reports of inspectors he
had received, to show the inequalities which at present
prevailed in reference to the mode of assessment.
Mr. EST C OURT said that a proposition had been made
to reject this bill, and he presumed that that question would
not be raised to-day. He (Mr. Estcourt) should be most
ready to give his best support to the bill, because he
thought it would, with one exception, tend to simplify the
poor laws of the country, and would be of great advan-
-1 tage to the country as well as to the poor.
Sir J. GRAHAM said that members would have a much
better opportunity of discussing the measure if the Speaker
were allowed to leave the chair, so that the house might go
iuto committee.
Mr. KNIGHT thought that the house had great reason
to complain of the course which had been taken by the
head of the Poor Law Department, who had introduced the
bill without allowing the country to know anything
about it.
Mr. LOCKE, on the part of his constituents, objected to
the bill, which provided that the charges should be levied
upon unions, which gave the large parishes nothing, for
they were unions in themselves at the present time.
Sir J. PAKINGTON recommended that the house
should at once go into committee on the bill.
Sir G. GREY also recommended a similar course, in order
that some definite issue might he raised, and that the sit-
ting should not be wasted in a desultory conversation.
Mr. WALTER expressed his concurrence in the princi-
ple of the bill. He was of opinion that the area of rating
should coincide with the area of management.
Sir J. SHELLE V objected to the bill, and remarked that
it any one moved that the bill should be committed that
day three months he should support it. (Cries of " Move,
move.")
Sir W. JOLLIFFE said th's bill was merely the re-
newal of a beneficial principle which had been in existence
many years.
Mr. W. E. FORSTER thought that the chargeable area
should be co-extensive with the employing of labour, and
this object the bill, he thought, would tend to accomplish.
Sir H. VERNEY thought that the bill would interfere
with the promotion of good agriculture, as productive
neighbourhoods would have to pay for bad ones. In many
portions of the bill, however, he entirely concurred.
Mr. CAYLEY objected to the bill as it would destroy the
basis of the princip.e of local self-government. He should
move as an amendment that the bill be committed that day
three months, in order that the public might have a full
opportunity of considering its provisions.
Mr. HENLEY held that the bill would make a very
great change in a very important law. If under this bill
they could not resist putting the metropolis together, how
could they resist putting the whole nation together. The
bill had been so curiously managed that the country really
in effect knew nothing about it, and he thought that more
time should be given for its consideration, and if the amend-
ment were pressed he should vote in its favour.
Sir G. LEWIS said that the bill was essentially one of
details, and contained nothing but a development
of principles recognised in the existing law. Having
adverted to the bills respectively introduced by Sir
Robert Peel, Mr. Bodkin, and Mr. Buller, to show
that there was no necessary connection between irre-
movability and the principle of union settlement, the
right hon. baronet said the first great change proposed by
this bill was the diminution of the term of five years, which
constituted irremovability, which was a mere question of
detail. For his own part he wished to see the law of settle-
ment utterly abolished, a course which he believed would
be perfectly practicable and perfectly safe. (Hear,) He be-
lieved the law of Ireland in this matter was perfectly sound,
and he should like to see it made the basis of our legislation.
The next change was that when a person had been resi-
dent three years, he should have the benefit of having
been resident in the union instead of in the par;sh.
It appeared to him that the principal objection to the
bill Is as in reference to the ninth clause, a matter which
would be best discussed in committee. He should be op-
posed to county rating or national rating, but union rating
he believed was a sound principle, because it would be
subject to one board of guardians, anti he hoped the house
would not be alarmed by any visionary apprehension.
Mr. BARROW protested against deparochialising our
parishes more than they were at present. He protested
against a union rate, still more against a county or a na-
tional rate, but he did not think that this bill was open to
such objections. (Hear, hear.)
Sir B BRIDGES believed that there would have been
stronger representations on both sides of the house with re-
gard to the bill, if it had been made more thoroughly known
to the country. He considered that there would be the
greatest possible advantage in maintaining the present
parochial system.
The house then divided—
For going into committee
Against it
Majority —l43
The motion was carried, and the house went into com-
mittee, but no progress was made, it being only three
minutes to four.
At four o'clock the Usher of the Black Rod summoned
the house to the House of Lords to hear the royal assent
given by commission to certain bills.
The sitting was then suspended.
At six o'clock the house resumed.
THE CHANNEL FLEET.

Mr. TORRENS asked whether it was intended that the
Channel fleet, or any portion of it, was to anchor in Belfast
Lough during the summer cruise ?
Lord C. PAGET said that the orders to the Admiral
were to cruise along the coast, and the movements of the
fleet rested entirely with him. No orders had been given
to put into any port in particular.
HARBOURS BILL—IRISH CLAUSES.

Mr. GREUORY asked why the clauses which were to
have been added to the Harbours Bill to enable the Com-
missioners in Ireland to borrow money for improving the
harbours in that country had not been added; whether any
such clauses had been sent to the Irish-office for considera-
tion, and, if so, what course had been taken there about
them ?
Mr. GIBSON said that clauses had been prepared, but a
difficulty had occurred as to the machinery necessary to
carry them out, but it had been thought better to drop them
than to delay the bill. As far as the bill went, the same
advantages would be conferred on Ireland as on England.
FOREIGN-OFFICE PLANS.

Lord J. MANNERS wished to know when the decision
of the house would be taken as to the designs for the Foreign-
office.

Mr. COWPER said that the design for an elevation in
the Italian by Mr. Scott was now lodged in the members'
sitting-room. One of the Gothic designs was at the Royal
Academy. The most convenient mode for deciding upon
these designs would be to have the vote come before the
house.

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ask him to delay it when he knew how email the change was
which it proposed to make.
THE GARIBALDI FUND.
On the motion for going into supply,
Mr. COCHRANE called attention to the proceedings of
the Garibaldi Fund Society for the Unity of Italy. That
society was presided over by the hon. member for the Ayr
district of burghs, but several ether members of that house
were on the committee of management. Besides the eman-
cipation of Italy, the object of the society, as appeared by
its advertisements, was to instal an Italian Government at
Rome, and to obtain possession of Venetia. He had no
desire to excite an angry discussion on the question, but he
wished to call attention to the effect which would be pro-
duced abroad by the members of that house being on the
committee of the association for the objects he had referred
to. He was not going to discuss the merits or demerits of
the Papal Government or of the Government of the King
of Naples. All he desired to see was that the principle of
non-interference should be fully carried out. Ho thought
there could be little doubt as to the illegality of such
associations, formed against a Government with which
we were in strict alliance. Suppose a committee was
formed in the City for the restoration of the Orleans princes
to France, did the house suppose that the French Govern-
ment would not remonstrate against it, and that the Go•
vernment of this country would not interfere in the matter.
He cordially approved of the last despatch of the noble lord
to Sir James Hudson, and hoped the noble lord would sup-
port the present motion. Italy had a right to expect that
we should not conspire to excite war against a country with
which we were in strict alliance. He begged to move,
" That the existence of any society, formed for the purpose
of raising funds to assist a revolutionary party inany coun-
try with which we were in strict alliance, was inconsistent
with the principle of non-intervention."
The question having been put,
Lord J. RUSSELL had hved that some one more di-
rectly aimed at by the hog, member would have risen to
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