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NEWS PAPER
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to complain—he referred to the operat p, a''iltv,'";- \ '',*--; '
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Campbell's Aet, by wh,ich the compp ate': ifs , 'Fn...:.r. '
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awarded according to the value of the.} 'lie. ime,...,,,zeti/s, I
came whn might suffer by an accident tenth retl . I (!:12-.4 w
Air. WATFIN observed that their nam ereetfant- rt
Shipping Act afforded a precedent by wirichtlis "
part of the law might be establishe I, where there
was a limitation to the amount of damages is the
event of shipwreck. •
Mr. LOWE—That was not a new law, but one
taken from the Act of George 11.
Mr. WATKIN knew that in the United States the
law of proportion was observed, and that in some
cases of casualty 5,900 doll. were awarded, and in
others 2,000 ; but there was in each case a limita-
tion. But the case as applicable to the railways of
this country was different. A person worth 1001.
a year paid ss. fare for going from one point to
another ; a bishop paid the same sum for going the
same distae, and yet the amount of compensation
for any casualty to the bishop would be immensely
greater than to the person of 1001. There, was re-
grafted some alteration here. No insurance-office
would take upon themselves the risk that was in- -
volved by tbe operation of Lord Campbell's B D.
Lord STANLEY—After all the Act only intended
to represent the status of the different persons to
whom accidents might oc-ur. You must give corn-
pensetion to Sir Fitzroy Kelly, who was the exam- •
ple in these cases—(laughter)—should any accident
Mall him, according to his worth. That was the
only alteration in Lord Campbell's law.
Mr. WATKIN—There ought, no doubt, to be'
Some difference between the damages for the injury -
to a poor man and a man of rank and station ; but
he should be glad if the railways would refuse to
carry bishops and Sir Fitzroy Kelly altogether.
Lord STANLEY—CouId you not insure yourselves ?
Mr. WATKIN—We might be allowed to charge a
smell additional sum for insurance.
Lord STANLEY—I don't mean that. Could you
not go -0 an insurance-officel
Mr. WATKIN—No office would take upon them-
selves the risk. The thing is so new and so limited
in extent that there is no office who would engage,
in it: They say it is not a fair risk.
Mr. VANCE—It is quite open for persons to in-
sure their own lives.
Lord STANLEY—The alteration which you are
proposing is not an alteration of the law in regard
to railways only, but a change in the law of the
land, as applicable to all other modes of convey-
ance.
Mr. VANCE then called the attention of Ler('
Stanley to the very grievous operation of the Par-
liamentary system by which Railway Bills were
passed, and the competitive principle encouraged.
Lord STANLEY said the argument of the hon.
gentleman was altogether in favour of transferring
the power from Parliament to the Board of Trade,
or some other board of control, but he would re-
mind the deputation that when Lord Dalhousie
made a proposition to that effect it met with the
most strenuous opposition from the railway pro-
prietors. He would, however, say that it was not
at all likely that Parliament would transfer the
power it now possessed to the Board of Trade. But
he would ask the deputation whether they believed
that the railway interest would prefer submitting
itself to the control of the Board of Trade rather
than to Parliament ?
Mr. WATKIN admittedthat the railway proprie-
tors did not look at their position or at circum-
stances in 1857 as they did in 1845. It was a
matter of great regret that the plans of Lord Dal-
housie were not carried out. What the railway
shareholders required was a responsible body with
which they could deal. If there were a Board of
Trade that took cognizance of railways it would bo
a body they could confer wait, and one which
would be responsible to the country. It might be
brought in aid of the Parliamentary committees,
and might exercise a practical control over them.
Mr. LowE—That does not agree with the me-
morial, which says that it would be more satisfac-
tery if such jurisdiction was vested either in some
independent and responsible tribunal, subject to
the restraining action of public opinion, or placed
under the immediate supervision of the Board of
Trade.
Mr. WaTKIN—We don't wish to abrogate the
authority of the 654 members of the House of Com-
mons, but to adopt some plan similar to that which
Lord Dalhousie suggested.
Lord STANLEY considered that great advantage
would result from such a plan. It was obvious that
the department over which he presided thought so,
because the proposition was made by those who
were at the bead of that department.
Mr. VANCE wished to call the attention of his
lordship to the fact that, while the railways saved
the country, according to Mr. Stephenson's calm-
latioo, 14,000,000/. of money per annum, yet tile
proprietors received no more from the Government
for carriage or postage than they paid to the Go-
vernment in the shape of duty on passengers.
Lord STANLEY said it could by no 'means be the
wish of the Government to deteriorate the property
of the railway proprietors, but it could not be de-
nied that whatever deterioration that property had
suffered was mainly the result of unwise conduct
on the part of railway companies themselves.
A GENTLEMAN of the deputation observed that
the Government was not always blameless, and re-
ferred, as an instance, to the case of the Chester and.
Holyhead line, where it was required by the Go-
vernment that an iron tubular bridge should ho
constructed at a great expense, when a wooden
bridge would have been equally serviceable. .
Lord STANLEY remembered when he was in the
House of Commons great complaints were made
that the public were not at liberty to judge for
themselves as to the lines which should be made.
Mr. W ATKIN said, without pretending to deny
that in the early period of railways many errors
were committed, he did not think railway proprie-
tors were guilty of any mistake that should deprive
them of a claim to the favourable consideration of
Government.
Lord STANLEY—We are all fully sensible that
railways are a great benefit to the country, and we
shall be happy to afford any redress that is in the
power of the Government to render. But of course
the deputation cannot expect us to express any
opinion upon the subject on the present occasion.
Mr. WATKIN—What we want is to place our case
before you. We do not ask you to adopt our views
until you have fully considered the facts we have
represented to you.
Lord STANLEY—I cannot help reminding you
that some few years ago I introduced a bill into
Parliament asking for certain powers, to which
almost every railway company made an objection.
I asked that the Board of Trade should have the
power to construct certain bridges over a certain
line, but it was objected to.
Mr. WATKIN—I think I assisted-in that opposi-
tion ; and why ? The line was complete ; the capi-
tal account was closed, and the company had no
money to construct the bridges. He begged, how-
ever, to observe, generally, that if the Board of
Trade would be so good as to consult the railway
proprietors a little more, and obtain some practical
opinions from them, they might be able to work
together a great deal better.
Lord STANLEY—I think I have always shown a
disposition to consult the railway proprietors on
all questions, and that I did so when Mr. Cardwell
was connected with the Board of Trade ; and I am
sure that there is every disposition on the part of
Mr. Lowe to promote the interest of and consult
with those connected with railways.
Mr. WATKIN—The impression wag that there is
not a mutuality between the proprietor! and the
directors, and that the directors have not been con-
sulted by the board.
you can complain
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Lord STANLEY—I —onit think
of our interference lately
Mr. W ATKIN a holder of 150,000/.
—Not lately.
Mr. M'Gartaral, said be was
railway stock, and that there was an gentle-
hoid'n a similar amount, and
man in the roosts
that the average dividend' ghe received on 80,000/.
of that stock was 2.1 per cent. He was not a dealer
in shares, but held them as investments. On the
other 70,000/. or 80,000/. stock he received a divi-
dend of 6 per cent.
Mr. VANCE then expressed the thanks of the de-
putation
for the courtesy with which Lord Stanley
and Mr. Lowe had listened to their representations,
and, after banding in the memorial, which bore the
signatures of numerous shareholders, he and his
friends withdrew.

Advices from Bogota to the 24th of April state that
the Mackintosh question was either settled or on the
point of being so, and that relations were about to be
restored between the two Governments. It is added
that Don Juan de Francisco Martin, who has resided
for the last three or four years in Paris, is appointed.
Minister Plenipotentiary to the Court of St. James's.
He is a native of New Granada, and is said to enjoy a
high reputation in his own country.
CIVIL SERVICE ESTIMATES.--LAW AND JUSTICE.--
Yesterday morning 'was published an account of the
sums required for the 'expenses connected with law and
justice in England, Scotland, and Ireland during tha
year ending March 31, 1858. The sum required for
England is 810,462 t, being an increase bf 342,9121.
beyond the amount for 1856 ; for Scotland, 132,9601,,
524/. The sum required for
being an increase of 17,
prison and convicts is 930,9171., showing an in.
crease of 24,543/. The statement exhibits a total ex-
cess of 380,0461., as compared with the estimates ft r
1856.
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_The cost of printing each Bank of England note is
sd, The notes received back into the Bank every day
are destroyed to prevent future use. In the Customs'
treasury a great saving has been effected for the Bank
by the receipt as cash (in payment of duties) of "cheques"
and "Customs notes" called " transfers ;" as these
average about 20,0001. per diem, of course the economy
effected is of some iooportance.-70/ea Service Gazette.