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pany should be allowed to be constituted without lodg-
ing 10,000/ in order to demonstrate the bona fides of
the promoters of such companies. He wished to know
whether the Government intended to introduca that
provi-i ,n among the other alterations proposed.
Mr. WILSON had to itats tbat it was thought very
desirable that this bat eLould be passed in the coarse of
the present year, especially as an act passed last year
inadvertently repealed the only act which has governed
insurance offices ; but no doubt his hon. friend was
aware that a measure on such a suj.ct must raise many
questions as to diff.-r(lnt interests, and he had conse-
qoently had great difficulty in meeting the numerous ob-
jecti ins. He had received yesterday a deputat.on re-
presenting all the London offices and most of the Scotch
offices, and he hid come to this understanding, to read
the bill a second time to-night, and to-morrow night in
committee t,•4introduroe sues amendments as he thought
it was in the power of the government to assent to. He
also undertook that the bill should not be com ..itted in
order to go on with those amendments until those gentle-
men out of doors who were int-rested in the matter had
had four days to consider the al orations.
VENTILATION OF SHIPS.

Mr. ADDERLEY asked the Fcr.•t Lord of the Admi-
ralty whether the A../in rarity had approved of a fan and
ventilating machine for ships, invented by C. H. Brace-
bridge, Esq., called a blower, whether any ships bad been
fitte i with them, and whether its success had led to any
general order for their use?
Sir C WOOD was understood to say that it had oc•
curred to the Admiralty that all ships going outt'iChina
should be ventilated, but he was not sure that Mr. Brace-
bridge's plan or some other would be adopted.

the circumstances under which a communication of the
fact bad been made to Parliament in a speech from
the throne. Whenever a war was undest ikon, no
doubt it should be communicated to Parliament before
any expenses were incurred.
Sin WALPOLE said that though the Persian expe-
dition was mentioned in the speech from the Throne,
there was no intimation that the err:ten-es were to be
divided between the East Indian Government and the
home Government. He coull not help referring to the
very clever turn given to the debate the other night,
when the noble viscount said that on both sides of the
howe information had not been demanded before. They did
not introduce the suhj ct, because at that monent nego-
tiations for peace were g )inw, on; as exception should not
be taken because all pressure was •voided at such a time.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that
in the second week of the session ne made a distinct allu-
sion to the arrangement respecting the expenses of the
Persian war, and the details of the sum which would be
required were shortly after laid upon the table.

The vote was then agreed to.
The next vote, 590,000/. for the purpose of adjusting
the acc ,mite of the old China war,
Mr. WILSON explaiued that this was the sum which,
alter a long negotiation with the East India Company,
had at last been agreed to. There would be a set off due
from the Company of 560,0001., which would leave a ba-
lance to be paid of only 30,0001. The vote therefore wai
chiefly nominal, and would have little effect on the
finances of the country.
Mr. WILLIAMS wished to know if this was a final
adjustment, or if more of these accounts wera coming ?
Mr. WILSON said that this payment was a final ad-
justment of tee matter.

Cul. SYKES said the East India Company had made
a very bad bargain.

Mr. COX wished to know what security there was for
the payment of the 560,0001., a.; the cnuntry was called
upon by the vote to advance the full 590,000/.
Mr. WILSON explained that this sum would not be
really advanced. It was necessary, according to the
forms of the house, that the sum in full should be put
down in the votes.

The vote was then agraPd to.
The next vote was 11,1151. to defray the expenses of
,he General Board of Health.

Mr. WILLIAMS complained of the amount charged
in this class of expenses, which were now 884,0001.,
being 303,0001. over the corresponding class last year.
The account was put into his band only that morning,
little more than an hour before he had to come down to
the house to atten.l to his Parliamentary duties. As to
the vote itself, he had always understood that the Board
of Health was to be abolished. It had lost the confi-
dence of the country, was totally useless, and was only
kept up to provide salaries for its officers. Since the
a.pointment of local medical officers under the Metro-
politan Act, its inutility had been yet more apparent.
There was a bill before the house to abolish the board.
Sir G. GREY denied that the Board was useless, it
had rendered great services, and some such machinery
was necessary. There was a bill before the house trans-
ferring the duties of the board to the President of the
Council ; but this object had not yet been effected. if
the proposed bill passed, so much only of the vote would
be taken as would be necessary to defray the additional
charges on the Council Office.
Atter a few words from Sir J. TRELAWN
Mr. BLACKBURN asked if the board did not ex-
pire of itself at the end of the yesr.
Sir G. GREY explained that the board did not ex-
pire till the end of the session of 1858.
Colonel SYKES said that the course proposed was
trifling with their constituents, and an opportunity ought
to given of duly considering the matter.
Sir H. WILLOUGHBY said that if anyone would
divide against the vote altogether, he would vote with
him.

Mr. COX opposed the grant. The Board of Health
was as great a nuisance as that which it was intended to
remove. He objected equally to the proposed bill of the
right hon. gentleman, and he had thought that the
Board of Health was to have ceased this year, and he
should oppose all continuance of the vote.
Lord PALMERSTON' said that it was objected that
the Beard of Health was not only useless but mischiev-
ous. He would not then refer to the ex,irtions of the
right hon. gentleman the membei for Marylebone, nor to
what he might call the noble devotion of the board during
the cho'era year ; but tLere was one of its functions
which was productive of so much economy that it ought
not to be objee.ed to by the hon. member for Lambeth.

It was this, that hitherto when towns were anxious to
obtain for themselves powers to make sanitary regula-
tions, they would have to spend 600/. on a bill if it was
unopposed, and double or treble that NUM if opposed. At
present they could by means of this board obtain the
same advantage at an expense of not more than 601.
This was the board which they called a useless one.
Mr, WILLIAMS saw no means of proceeding except
by dividing the house against the vote.
After some remarks from Mr. MOWBRAY, in refer-
ence to the operations of the board,
Mr. MONSELL defended its operations, and said
that the local boards were satisfied with its conduct
towards them in reference to heal sanitary improve-
ments.

Mr. HENLEY said it was satisfactory to find that
the General Board of Health and the local boards
worked so amicably together. He was unwilling to vote
against the estimate, but he expressed a hope that early
next session the Government would introduce a new
meagure for the guidance of the General Board of Health.
Mr. BASS defended the Board of Health. He was
instructed by the mayor and corporation of the borough
(Derby) he represented to support the measures of the
Government in reference to the board.
Sir G. PECHELL wished to see a diminution of this
vote. He should be happy to support a nuisance bill that
would remove the B iard of Health, the Poor-law Board,
and the Board of Trade. (Laughter.)
After some remarks fr im Mr. MONSELL in explana-
tion, and also from Sir G. PECLIELL. the latter of
whom said it was the principle he onno,ed,
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said
that if the bill before the house proposing to transfer
the functions of the Board of Health to the Privy
Council was passed, it would reduce much of the ex-
pense of the working of the present board. It was com-
petent for the house to limit its operations for one year
to test its efficiency, but in the meantime it would be
necessary to t dee a vote for the board as at present con-
stituted. If the house adopted the bill, then the Go•
verntuent would make such a reduction in the establish-
ment of the board as would be foiled necessary and the
Exchequer would be credited with the amount saved by
the change.
Lord J. MANNERS considered this an ex`ravagant
vote.
The committee then divided, when the numbers were—
Per the vote
Against it 3O
mejoeity for the vote _lll
On the vote of 2,5481. fur the expenses of the Eccle-
siastical Comin:seioeem
Sir J. TRELAWNY said that when they came to
the question of church rates, they would have much
difficuky in dea ing with the question if this vote were
passed. He was one off those who had hitherto divided
against this vote, the Government was not consistent in
proposing such a vote. He should move its rejection.
Mr. W. WILLIA.MS s dd the resources oft .e church
were ample, and they ought to be content. Tee people
of this country hal been very blameable in tbi4 matter,
and the church was unwise in coming to this country for
these votes.
Mr. WILSON defended the vote.
The committee then divided, when the numbers were—

For the vote
Against it
mßi.,rity for the vote -93
A vote of 11,0801 if,,r the salaries and expenses of the
Charity Commis-ion was agreed to.
On the vote of 1,9241. for salaries and expenses of the
Statute Law Corn
Mr. WHITESIDE said he should like to know when

this committee would come to an end, and what they
had been doing. Ile had no faith in the lvbours of the
commission, from which he (xoected no results. Ha
pointed out the advisability of itnperialising the statute
law, so that the same laws should apply to England and
Ireland. Ile should not divide the house on the ques-
tinn, but be hoped that the promises held out would
ultimately be fulfilled.
On the vote of 4,924/. for salads; and expenses of the
civil service commission,

Mr, WILLIAMS inquired what were the duties of
the commitodon ?

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER ex-
plained.
Atter some further discussion, in which Mr. Ridley,
Mr. Wilien, and Mr. W. Williams, took part, the vote
was agreed to.
Oa the vote of 3,5241. for the salaries and expenses of
the temporary commissioners,
Mr. WISE said it had been reported that the report
of the commissioners on the national grant was not to
be acted upon. He offered no opinion, but wished to
kno.v whether that was true ?
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER had not
seen the report, and the Government had come to no
decision whatever.
Lord J. MANNERS inquired whether the salaries
had been ?
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said it
was impossible to fix them till the proceedings were ter-

minuted.
Mr. BERESFORD HOPE called attention to an in-
consistency in the printed copy of the votes.
Mr. WILSON explained.
After some conversation, in which Sir Denham
Norreys, Colonel Sykes, and the Chancellor of the
Exchequer took par•,
Mr. WISE said his question had not been fairly
an .wered. He wanted to know whether it was intended
to act on the report
Sr G GREY had seen the report, but had not read
it, and there was seine further documentary evidence to
be added to it. The other members of the Government
had not seen it.
Mr. WISE again asked whether, when it had been
read, it would he acted upon?
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said
that when completed ►t would be taken into considera-
tion.

After some farther conversation,
Mr. AYRTON asked if it was intended to remove
the National Galiery. He hoped it would not be done
without consulti,,g the house.
Lord PALMERSTON said there was no such inten-
tion. The que•ition almost answered itself.
Mr. CONINGHA.M. said that unless something was
dons to make the Royal Academy vacate the premises
they occupied at the National Gallery, he should take
the sense of the house on the question.
After some further conversation the vote wasagreed to.
On the vote of 20,938/. for sal 'ries, expenses, and
comoetoiations wider the Patent Law Amendment Acts,
WIL/414.1d3 complained of the items as being