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IMPERIAL PARLIA3IE24kT

HOUSE OF LORDS-(YESTERDAY).
The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat on the woolsack
at five o'clock.

PRIVATE BUSINESS,

On the motion of Lord REDESDALE the Lancashire Em,
bankment Bill was read a second time.

The following bills were read a third time and passed :
London and North-Western Railway (Denton to Staley-
bridge) ; Silverdale and Newcastle-under-Lyne Railway ;
Waveney- Valley Railway ; Lancashire and Carlisle Rail-
way (Amendments) ' • North Staffordshire Railway
(Amendments) ; and Stockton and Darlington Railway
(Amendments).
MILITIA LAWS AMENDMENT BILL.
Lord RIPON moved the second reading of this bill, the
object of which was to abolish certain restrictions as to the
employment of the English and Irish militia in the United
Kingdom. In November next, if the law was not amended,
considerable inconvenience would arise; and to obviate
such circumstances the present bill was proposed.
- Lord STRATFORD DE REDCLIFFE rose, not for
the purpose of obstructing the progress of public
business but to make a few observations on the
general %tate of the militia under existing acts. He
very much regretted that the militia ballot had been
' suspended, as conscription idthis country was not, and he
trusted never would be, allowed. It was of the highest
importance that the militia should be kept in the most effi-
cient and effective state, as the country was sur-
rounded by difficulties. It was quite true that in
the short compass of a single session we had passed
from war to peace, and it was taw) possible in
the period of recess to pass from peace to war, and
it might happen on a second occasion we might find it much
more difficult to maintain our neutrality, which had been
as successful as the first. The conference was about to
meet at Zurich, but of that our information was of the most
limited description. Looking towards France, what was
to be seen. We see a Sovereign wielding great power, but
the purposes for which that power would be applied it was
impossible at present to discover (as we understood the
nible lord.) Looking at the position of our country he did
not think it was safe, and in the event of being called on to
take part in any conference, it was of the highest import-
ance that England should be in a position, in order to be of
service to others, to exercise important influence. He be-
lieved the Present Government would pursue a proper course.
It was the duty of the country to place our defences on the
most satisfactory footing. At the same time he trusted the
negotiations about to take place at Zurich would result in
a treaty which would eventually secure the future peace
of Europe.
Lord KINGSDOWN complained of the inadequate mea-
sures taken to secure men for the army, navy, and militia,
and contended that those services would never be placed
upon a satisfactory footing until the Government had
the power of having recourse to the principles of compul-
sory services.

Lord RIPON said the whole question of national defence
was under the serious consideration of the Government,
and during the recess noble lords might depend that the
utmost attention would be directed to the subject.
He did not, however, think, in a time of peace, it would be
expedient to have recourse to, the ballot or any other com-
pulsory means to augment the forces of the country. The
ballot he looked upon as a great engine in time of
war, but if it was resorted to in time of peace
he thought it would be resisted, to the utmost
and the effect would be to render the military service of the
country highly unpopular. If noble lords left the whole
subject in the hands of the Government they would, he felt
assured, have no reason to regret the course they had
adopted.
The bill was then read a second time.

The following bills were read a third time and passed :
Galway Harbour and Port Act Amendment, Fishing Ves-
sels passing from the Nore, Westminster New Bridge, Im-
prisonment for Small Debts, Law Ascertainment Facilities.
Their lordships then
.adjourned till to-morrow at four
o'clock.

HOUSE OF COMMONS—(YESTERDAY.)
The SPEAKER took the chair at one o'clock.
PRIVATE BUSINESS.

The amendments to the following bills were considered
and agreed to : —Epping Railways, Norwich and Spalding
Railway, and Tendring Hundred Railway.
The following bills were read a third time and passed :
Liverpool Sanitary Amendment, Lucette's Estate Bill, and
Robins's Estate Bill.

The Thames Watermen and Lightermen Bill was con-
sidered.

On the motion of Mr. MASSEY, the standing order 215
was suspended for the remainder of the session.

PONTEFRACT ELECTION.
Mr. BRIGHT presented a petition from Mr. Childers,
the unsuccessful candidate for Pontefract at the last elec-
tion. It appeared that there was only a difference of ten
votes between the petitioner and Mr. Overend, who was
declared duly returned at the close of the poll. A petition
was presented, but an arrangement was entered into be-
tween the parties, by which, in order to avoid the expense
of a scrutiny, which would cost about £5,000 or £6,000,
the questions raised in the petition were to be referred
to a member of the late Government. In consequence, how-
ever, of some difference between Mr. Overend and his agent,
and certain difficulties which the hon. member interposed,
that arrangement was not carried out although the petition
was withdrawn. He would move that the matter should be
referred to a select committee composed of members of the
general election committee.
The petition was ordered to lie on the table.

Sir G. GREY suggested that the petition should be
presented before the house was called on to pronounce
an opinion on a question which might affect the privileges
of the house. He thought the hon. member should have
had notice of this motion.

Mr. BRIGHT stated that notice had been given to the
hon. member last Friday.
After some discussion,
Mr. BRIGHT gave notice that he would bring on the
motion to-morrow.

Sir G. LEWIS suggested that the best course would be
to adjourn the debate.

Ultimately the motion was withdrawn for the present,
and the petition was ordered to be printed.
Mr. BRIGHT gave formal notice of his motion for to-
morrow.

CONSOLI DATED FUND (APPROPRIATION)
BILL.
On the motion for the third reading of this bill,
Sir H. WILLOUGHBY and Mr. WILLIAMS made some

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that
the bill was drawn in precisely the same form as that of
last year. If there had been any misappropriation of the
money voted for the expenses of the Duke of Wellington's
funeral it must have arisen through mistake.
The bill was then read a third time and passed.
STAMP DUTIES BILL.

On the motion for the third reading of this bill,
Mr. HANKEY drew attention to the inequalities in the
imposition of the stamp duties in regard to probate, which
operated injuriously, and were calculated to lead to fraud.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said there
was no doubt some alterations might be made with benefit
in these duties, but inequalities were unavoidable, and the
general question involved was too large to be discussed at
this period of the session.

Tile bill was then read a third time and passed.
CUSTOMS (No. 2) BILL.
This bill, as amended, was considered.
EAST INDIA LOAN BILL.

On the motion for considering this bill as amended,
Mr. CRAWFORD said he formerly objected to this
country guaranteeing a loan for India, and he still enter-
tained that objection. He considered that the Chancellor
of the Exchequer would practically fail if he endeavoured
to obtain £5,000,000 on debentures ; but he thought that
money might be borrowed for the purposes of India, which
might be repaid in easy instalments by that country. He
hoped Parliament would next session consider this impor-
tant subject.
Mr. VANSITTART wished to be informed if the hon.
member for Devonport had accepted the office of resident
Chancellor of the Exchequer in India. The powers of bor-
rowing in India were completely exhausted, and consider-
ing the sums for different purposes of late years, he thought
they were acting in an unstatesmanlike manner in cavil-
ling about the money requisite for the necessities of India.
Mr. AYRTON said that Government had taken a most
extraordinary view of the relations of India to this country,
and be strongly deprecated the course adopted in maintain-
ing abstract and useless principles of political economy to
India which cost this country MC,000,000 in one year. He
considered they should settle the civil condition of India
before they proceeded to deal with the finances o that
country. He denounced strongly the centralising prin-
ciple that prevailed with Whig Governments in respect to
India, to which he traced the late mutiny, and which was
calculated to perpetuate discontent. He was also strongly
opposed to the establishment of what was called a local
European army in India, which tended to excite sedition
• and weaken the resourses both of India and England. It
appeared that Government had lost sight of the cost of
maintaining a European army in India, which might be
estimated at £lOO a year per man, and that expense was in-
curred merely to support that description of rule in India
which had already lasted too long. He alluded
to the evidence of Col. Green, an experienced officer, to show
that economy might be effected if they sent out only those
officers who possessed those qualities which were calculated
to secure the respect of the soldiers under their command
in India.

Col. SYKES said there was not the slightest foundation
for what the hon. and learned member for the Tower Ham-
lets (Mr. Ayrton) had said relative to the army in. India.
He said it was proposed to raise £5,000,000, not for the
benefit of India, but to spend in that country. There
was no doubt the greatest distrust in the money market
existed with reference to these Indian loans. In proof of
thathe would draw attention to the following figures. The
4 per cent, loan of India was at 22 discount, the
5 per cent. at 111 discount, although guaranteed for
15 years, and the 51 per cent., although guaran-
teed for 20 years, was also at a discount. He contended
that the distrust which existed with reference to Indian
finance was produced by that administration, particularly
by the bill of 1854, which destroyed the confidence of the
natives, and the system in regard to dealing with finance
in India. That country should be regarded not as a colony
but a part of England, and all that was required to restore
public confidence was the adoption of the two talismanic
words " Imperial guarantee, in regard to raising any
money that might be required.
Mr. GLYN suggested the introductionof a clause in the
bill to enable the present holders of debentures to convert
the same from time to time into the new stock. That course
would hot only relieve the debenture market, but be pro-
ductive of other advantages, and if not adopted this session
he hoped that next year it would be carried out.
Sir E. COLEBROOKE objected to the adoption of an im-
perial guarantee, and called for a clear statement as to the
position which the hon. member for Devonport was to oc-
cupy H W in India.
wished for information with
referenceto this appointment, and he thought they should
proceed with great caution. He also desired to be informed
in whose hands rested the power of charging the revenue of
India. 3 r W. 'WILLIAMS considered that the depressed state
of Indian finance was attributable to the extravagant ex-
penditure resorted to. He was opposed to this country
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imperial guarantee, t was deserving of consideration, but
the Government was not prepared to give any such gua-
rantee at present. .Vith regard to the appointment
alluded to, he hoped his hon, friend the member for De-
vonport would be induced to accept it.
VANSITTART—Has he accepted OP
61r C. WOOD—He has not. He believed that all would
agree that from the great commercial knowledge and gene-
ral ability of the bon, member for Devonport that he was

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one of the best qualified in the country for the appoint-
ment, and he hoped to be able shortly to announce' his
acceptance of it. The Governor-General and Council were
responsible for the expenditure in India, and whoever held
the-appointment would be a member of that Council.;
The bill was then read a third time.

On the motion that the bill do pass,
Mr. NEWDEGATE drew attention to some irregularity
in the votes, which prevented them knowing accurately
when they would be required ; and he wished to know what
course would be adopted relative to .the Charitable Trusts
Acts Continuance Bill, which stood on the order of the day
for second reading.
The SPEAKER having explained that when the hoUse
met before two o'clock it adjourned till six o'clock.
Sir G. C. LEWIS said be would move the second read.
ing of the bill at the proper time.
MILITIA PAY BILL.
This bill .was read a third time and passed.
CORRUPT PRACTICES PREVENTION ACT.
This bill was also read a third time and passed.
CHARITABLE TRUSTS ACTS CONTINUANCE

BILL.
Sir G. C. LEWIS moved the second reading of this bill.
Mr. NEWDEGA.TE moved the adjournment of the
debate.
Sir a C. LEWIS expressed a hope that the hon. mem-
ber would not press the amendment, which might have the
effect of protracting: the session into next week.
Mr. NEWDEGATE withdrew the amendment, but gave
notice that, on the motion for going into committee on the
bill, he would move that it be committed that day three
mouths.
The bill was then read a second time.
Some returns were ordered, and the house suspended sit-
ting at four o'clock till six o'clock.

The house resumed at six o'ele,ek.
BEVERLEY ELECTION.

COBBETT brought up the report of the Beverley
Election Committee, unseating Mr. Ralph Walters, and de-
claring Mr. Henry Edwards to be duly elected. The com-
mittee further reported that Mr. Walters was by his agents
guilty of bribery at the last election, and that a practice ap-
peared to prevail in the borough of employing voters as
messengers. It was proved to the committee that at the
last election bribery was systematically carried on by
two persons named Daniel Boyce and Robert Taylor, and
the committee recommended that those persons should
be prosecuted. They further recommended that no new
writ should issue for the borough until the evidence taken
before the committee was printed.

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NOTICES OF MOTION.
Mr. JonN LOCKR, for next session, to move for a select
committee to inquire whether the conditions 'under which
the artificers of the Land Transport Corps we're enlisted and
discharged had been fulfilled, and into the truth of the alle-
gations contained in their petition to the ',louse.
• Mr. BRADY, for next session, to call attention to the ope-
ration of the Medical Registration A.ct.
Sir DE L. EVA.NS, for next sesr,ion, to move an address
to the Crown, praying her Majesty to direct an inquiry to
take place into the expediency of abolishing the sale and
purchase of commissions in the army.
Lord NAAS, for next session, to move for leave to bring
in a bill for the better registration of births, deaths, and
marriages in Ireland.

THE ANNUITY TAX.
Mr. HADFIELD asked the Secretary of State for the
Home Department whether the Edinburgh clergy were
compelling payment of the annuity tax by imprisonment ?
Sir G. LEWIS had received no information on the
subject.
MASTERS AND OPERATIVES.
Mr. MACKINNON moved for leave to bring in &bill to
establish equitable councils of conciliation to adjust differ-
ences between masters and operatives. He made the mo-
tion at this late period of the session because he was anxious
to have the bill printed, to afford members and the public
in general an opportunity of considering its provisions dur-
ing the recess, with a view to legislating upon the subject
early next session. Two years ago it was thought advis-
jbmpeeocofitosntrteienditolhiegehceoacnnoinntsmliydnuaneinrtavthot
able that a committee should be appointed to take the sub-
eifeost:ke,geeananscotedid:/. he had httt.theThhoenmouratteofr bewainsgthaepn-
mganoyf bwo:htamesassesterwsearendealopled-
ratives. The committee had no interest in the question
beyond arriving at the truth, and doing justice to all par-
ties. They examined a great number of masters, some of
whom were favourable, and others unfavourable to the
establishment of equitable councils ; but the preponderance
of their evidence was rather against than in favour of such
councils. The committee also examined many operatives
of different classes ; men of great intelligence and great
information, who had made themselves thoroughly ac-
quainted with the subject. Like the masters, they enter-
tained various opinions upon it, but the majority of
them were in favour of having these councils, and they
pointed out that, except in the metropolis, the present law
for settling disputes between masters and workmen was
wholly inoperative. The committee also received some
valuable reports on the subject from France and Belgium.
These reports showed that equitable councils had been com-
pletely successful in those countries. It appeared from the
French report that between 1850 and 1851 the number of
disputes which arose in France between masters and ope-
ratives was 28,000, and of these 26,800 were settled by
councils of conciliation. Now what would have been the
result of such a law as this if it had been passed two years
ago ?. Why it would have averted the present strike in the
building trade. He was perfectly satisfied that had equita-
ble councils been in existence there would have been no
strike. The dispute would have been settled without re-
course to such an extreme measure. The hon. member
concluded by moving for leave to bring in the bill.
Agreed to.
ARMY PRESBYTERIAN CHAPLAINS.
On the motion of Mr. AM'. OTT an address was ordered
for the return of correspondence which took place during
the year 1858, between the Moderator of the General As-
sembly of the Presbyterian Church in Ireland, or any mem-
ber of that church, and the Secretary of State for War, or
any other official persons, regarding the appointment' of
ministers of that church to the office of chaplain or assis-
tant chaplain of her Majesty's forces.
PRIVATE BILLS.
Mr. W. WILLIAMS moved that standing order No. 34
be amended by inserting after the words "adjoining there-
to " these words, " or in case of any place within the limits
of the metropolis, as defined by the act 18 and 19 Vie., C.
120, intituled; An Act for the better Local Management of
the Metropolis,' with the clerk of the vestry of each parish
in schedule A, and with the clerk of the district board of
parishes, in schedule B of the said act."—Agreed to.
CASE OF PRIVATE JAMES CAULFIELD.
Mr. J. LOCKE rose to call the attention of the house to
the case of enlistment, in her. Majesty's 96th Regiment of
Foot, of the late Private Jas. Caulfield, who, whin under
15 years cf age, was enlisted in that regiment at Westmin-
ster, on the 23d of Sept., 1857 ; and, his discharge having
been refused, he died from the rigours of discipline at Park-
hurst Hospital on the 21st of July, 1858. The hon. mem-
ber in making the motion said, that, but for the lateness of
the session, he would have asked for a select committee.
He was induced to take up the matter in consequence of the
petition of John Caulfield, the father of the deceased, and
the representations of several respectable individuals, who
took an interest in the matter. It appeared that the de-
ceased James Caulfield, being unaer 15 years of age, had
been enlisted 15 a Sergeant Thomas.
The SPEAKER interrupted the hon. member. He
could not make a statement unless he intended to conclude
with a motion.

Mr. LOCKE would then move for a select committee.
The petitioner complained that his son, being under 15
years of age, had been enlisted by Sergeant Thomas for the
9,6 th Regiment of Foot, the latter making to the magistrate
a rergesentation that the youth was 18 years of age, under
whiM age his enlistment would have been illegal. The mo-
ther was subsequently prevented by Sergeant Thomas from
proving her son's real age, and Sergeant Thomas was also
accused of having represented to the boy that he would
have ls. 3d. a day and free rations; Young Caulfield was
sent to the regiment in the Isle of Wight, where the labour
of a private soldier proved too much for his tender age.
He got ill and his father applied for his discharge, but was
put off on various grounds, and in the meantime the boy,
who had been removed to Parkhurst, died.
An HON. MEMBER moved that the house be counted, and
40 members not being present, the house adjourned.

FROM THE GAZETTE OF LAST NIGHT

INDIA OFFICE, AUG. 8.
The Queen has been pleased to appoint Sir Thomas
Erskine Perry, Knt., to be a Member of the Council of
India.

FOREIGN OFFICE, AUG. 6.

MEMBER RETURNED,TO SERVE IN THE PRESENT PARMA,

MEN T.

Borough of Dartmouth—John Dann, of 37, Lowndes-
square, in the county of Middlesex, Esq., in the room of
Edward Wyndham Harrington Schenley, Esq., whose
election has been adjudged void.
COMMISSIONS BY LORDS LIEUTENANT.
County of Fife—Sir James William Colvile, But., Sir
Peter Arthur Halket, Bart., Sir John trotter Bethune'
Bart., Sir Thomas Erskine, Bart., the Lord Loughborough,
Robert Cathcart, Esq., to be Deputy. Lieutenants.
County of Worcester—Edward resley Stone, Esq to
be Deputy Lieutenant.
York—Sir Charles Henry Ibbetson, Bart., to be Deputy
Lieutenant.

Ist Regiment of King's Own Staffordshire Militia
—Thomas Howard Keelinge Fletcher, Gent., to be Ensign ;
John Hampden Gladstanes, Gent., to be Ensign.
8d Regiment of King's Own Staffordshire Militia—
Ensign Alexander William Radford to be Lieutenant, vice
George Cole resigned.
Huntingdonshire Militia—The Honourable Henry
Stevenson Blackwood to be Lieutenant, vice Stephen Row-
land Woulfe, promoted.
Ist Devon Regiment of Militia—Alexander Ridgway to
be Captain, vice Rayer, resigned ; Thomas Welby North-
more to be Lieutenant, vice Ryde, resigned ; John Charles
David Agar to be Lieutenant.
Ayrshire Yeomanry Cavalry—Major George James
Campbell to be Lieut.-Colonel, vice Sir Charles Lamb, re-
signed ; Captain James Ogilvy Fairlie to be Major, vice
Campbell, promoted ; Lieut. Robert Gairdner to be Captain,
vice Fairlie, promoted; Cornet Robert Marries Pollock to
be Lieutenant, vice Gamlner, promoted.
• 2d or North Durham Regiment of Militia—Robert F.
Burrowes, late Lieut. 11th and 49th Foot, to beiCaptain,
vice Chisholm, resigned.
BANKRUPTS.
Thomas Houlden,. dealer in horses, Earls Coble, Essex,
to surrender, Aug. 19, at half-past one, and Sept. 15, at
one, at the Court of Bankruptcy.
Elizabeth White, schoolmistress, Ellerslie House, Lewi-
sham, Kent, Aug. 19, at two, and Sept. 15,
half-past one,
at the Court of Bankruptcy.
Isaac Guttmann, watchmaker, Sheffield, Aug. 20 and
Oct. 1, at ten, at the Leeds District Court.
John Wilson Jones, commission merel ant ,
Liverpool,
Court.
Aug. 26 and Sept. 9, at eleven, at the Liverpool District

Edward Bates and John Feltus, brewers, Manchester,
Aug. 25, and Sept. 22, at twelve, at the Ma-nches ter District
Court.

John Coles, baker, Radway, Warwicksldire,. .Aug. 19, and
Sept. 16, at eleven, at the Birmingham Distrut Court.
John Bryant, coal merchant, Newport, Mo mnouthshire,
Aug. 23, and Sept. 27, at eleven, at the B ristol District
Court.
Charles Thorneycroft, ale, porter, and cigar dealer,
Alrewas, Staffordshire, Aug. 19 and Sept. 2: J, at eleven, at
the Birmingham District Court.
Emanuel Moss, dealer in lamps, Regent- street, Aug. 19,
at half-past eleven, and Sept. 15, at twelve ,at 'the Court of
Bankruptcy.

SCOTCH BANKRUP'kK.
James Jack, Lauriston-lane, Edinhur gh,
George Grimmant, railway clerk, Bap that ?A, near Perth.
John Lindsay, yarn miller, Mary eld T strathmar-
tine.

Thomas Duneanson, distiller, Edir dm' h.
John Kimmond, builder, Alyth, F Jeri
William Brownlie, grocer, Hamill nor Lauarlpihin
John Mathie, fruiterer, Glasgovi..
John Miller, &slier, Glasgow. hshire.