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London, England, 1857-06-18 00:00:00

PETITIONS.

Petitions were presented in favour of an alteration of
the oath taken by members of Parliament ; in favour of
the Industrial Schools Bill ; and in favour of an altera-
tion of the Superannuation Act.

REGISTRATION OF LONG LEASES (SCOT-

LAND) BILL.

The house then went into committee on this bill.
The preamble was postponed.
On clause 1,
Mr. DUNLOP explained the nature of certain amend-
ments which he meant to propose.
The LORD ADVOCATE said he had been waited on
by the Faculty of Advocates, to oppose the bill, but he
felt he could not comply with the request of the deputa-
tion, as he felt the present bill was one calculated to con-
fer great good. lie did not entertain the same fears
with re pact to this hill as these learned gentlemen, and
therefore he should give it his cordial support.
The eanse was then agreed to.
The remaining clauses, in which a few verbal amend-
ments were made, were agreed to, and the bi'l was re•
ported with amendments.
LEAVE OF ABSENCE.

Leave of absence was granted to Mr. Shirley and
Captain J. C. Vivian, on account of illness and domestic
offitction.

INDUSTRIAL SCHOOLS BILL.
The house then went into committee on this bill.
The preamble was postponed.
On clause 2
Mr. GREGORY moved an amendment in the clause,
which was to enable Justices of the Peace to obtain
evidence as to the religion of a child. He proposed t.)
insert in line 16, after the word child, " or in case of an'
orphan, then the guardians or nearcst adult relative,"
to the clause.

The amendment was withdrawn, and the clause was
agreed to.
Clauses 3 and 4 were agreed to.
On clause 5,
Sir G. GREY drew the attention of the hon. member
(Mr. Adderl-ly) to this clause, which empowered the
magistrates, on a child being taken into custody for beg-
ging and vagrancy, to send him or her to prison for 7
days without any proof that an offence had been com-
mitted. He objected to giving the power of remand to
a magistrate without it was clearly proved that the law
bad been transgressed.
Mr ADDERLEY proposed an amendment.
Lord E. HOWARD thought that some provision
ought' to be introduced to prevent the child of a poor
man being sent to a reformatory, and there detained.
It would be extremely hard., supposingthe parents of the
child were about to emigrate, that they should leave the
coun4ry without the whole of their-children.
Sir G. GREY said the clause gave the magistrates
power to order the child to be given up to its parents on
satiAactory proof being given that they were about to
emigrate.
After a few words from Mr. MOORE,
The clause, as amended, was agreed to.
Oa the pie•tion that it stand part of the bill,
Mr. DE V ERE objected strongly to the clause.. By
it every child found begging was subject to penal
punishment.
Mr. ADDERLEY said the hon. gentleman who had
just sat down was under a misconception with respect
to the of of the bill. It was not a penal measure; but
one to provide tutelage and protection to them. Instead
of the measure being a very harsh one, it was, on the
contrary, one of great kindness..
Mr. BUXTON said, if the-act :was one of kindness to
that chill it efts quite the opposite to parents of the
children. By its provisions a
,child, who for the first
time might solicit charity, was liable to be taken into
custody by the police, and, supposing it was under 12
years of age, sent to one of the Itklustrial Institutions
for .seven years.
Sir,G. GREY said street begging was one of the
greatest nuisances that at present existed. If the prin-
cipl,s of the hon. gentleman who hart list addressed the
honse were adopted, the police would have to look on
quietly and allow crime to be committed.
After a short discussion in which Mr. Briscoe, Mr.
Maguire, Mr. Liddell, and other members took part,,
Mr. DUNLOP said he did not think the clause was
oppressive or unjust. It *as open to the parents of
the child taken into custody and committed to one of
these institutions, on giving security to the amount of
204. that the offence of begging would not be repeated,
to have the child restored to them.
Mr. HACKBLOCK suggested that the words "being
• well-known beggar or vagrant," should be added t. the
bill.

Mr. BAINES—The numerous objections that bad
been urged against this clause convinced him that it was
necessary to give this clause further consideration. The
object of the bill was good, and it was the duty of the
house to make it as perf:ct as possible. Ile suggested
that the clause should be postponed.
Mr. HENLEY objected to the clause,
Ur. ADDERLEY said he should have no objection
to alter the clause to meet the 'views of hon. tneuity,rs.
7 After a short discussion, the clause' was negatived.
Cause 6 was then proposed.
Mr. MILES moved the omigsion of the douse.
Mr. HENLEY said, as clause 5, which contained the
pith of the bi 1, had been struck out, he thought the
best course to pursue' was for the chairman to report

progress.
Mr. ADDERLEY denied that eause 5 was the prin-
cipal one in the bill. The measure would stand very
well without it. If it was the intention of the hon. membe r
to oppose the bill, he had better plainly state his intention
of doing so. If the chairman was to report progress
would be impossible to pass the Measure this•session,
and such being the case he should Oro up the bill
Alt rgether.
Mr. MILES said he thought it would be very unfair
towards the hon. gentleman (Mr. Adderley), who had
taken a great deal of trouble with this bill, if he was
prevented from proceeding with it.
Sir G. GREY suggested that the 6th clause should be
struek nut, and that the question to what chil lien the
bill applied should be decided in clause 7.
The clause was struck out.
On clause 7. bring proposed,
Mr. BA.RR.OW said this clause required a certain se-
curity to be given by the parent of the chid on its being
taken from one of these institutions. He thought there
was no'advantage\in such an arrangement. If the ma-
gistrate was satimfi.-A with the assurance of the parent
that the chill was-not a habitual beggar, he thought be
ought to have the power of ordering its immediate dis-
charge without requiring the parent to enter into re-
Cognisances to the amount of twenty shillings. He
moved the insertion of words giving to the magistrates
the power at once to di-charge a child without security
if they should think fit.
Mr. BOWYER objected to the clause al'ogether.
Mr. COGAN suggested, as it appeared impossible to
gat on with the bill, the chairman do report progress.
Mr. BOWYER said if they insisted on passing this
clause be should like to know how poor working men,
who earned Bs. or 9s. a week, and whose furniture would
not,produce 20s. if it was sold, were to pay a pound,
■upposing one of their chil lien without their knowledge
got into trouble, and was taken before the magistrate.
The amendment was agreed to without a division.

Mr. HENLEY moved the omission from the dims
of all words relative to the parents giving the required
surety of 204.
After a few words from Lird Loviasz and Mr.
BLAND, the proposition of the hon. member for Oxford-
shire was adopted.
Mr. Sergeant O'BRIEN said as the alteration in-
volved the introduction of a new principle of law he
should move the omission of the clause.
Mr. DEASY moved an amendment limiting the time
to wh:ch a child might be sent to one of these indtutrial
institutions to two ears instead of seven.
Mr. ADDERLEY strongly objected to the amend-
Mr. BOWYER moved that the chairman report pro-
gress, as the committee had struck out the most impor.
tint clanee is the bill.
Sergeant O'BRIEN said the best course for the hon.
member for Staffordshire to pursue was to strike out
clause 7, and bring.tip a new clause in place on the
reception the report.
The motion for reporting progress was then with-
drawn.

A mendme nt.The committee then, divided upon Mr. Deasy's
For the amendment
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the limit being fir3d at two year,,
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kno we. whether four years would be
Mr.. DERLEY bad the greateitobJat:tion to limited p A
erioDd being 14id down at which a chill masit any
institutiwould on,
rather
ourof an indaitrial in
give up the bill than o)usent to any such limitation.
BARROW gave notice of hisintentron to int,,,e
an amendment to the effect that 12 years be the age.
10 which children should Lave industrial schools, i,.
stead.of 15, as Provided by the present clans?.
M. GREGORY moved that tho'addition of the fol.
lowing words to the clause :—" Provided, however, it
witlihr the county' where the child was taken into cue.
trody, or any adjlining county, there shall he any cer-
tiffed Triduorial chool-conducted on the principles of the"
.religions persuasion to which the parent of the child in
'the,epinion of the justices shall belong, and the matiagers
.of such school shall be willing to receive him, such child
tihalltb.e sent.to_ such lAst-rnentioned school,' and not to
any other." • -:, • • • ,
Mr. ADDERLEY said he had .tro: objection to the
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The amendment was agreed to. • •
Mr. HENLEY moved at the end of the proviso words
to the effect that a child should only be sent to an indus•