The Sun.
London, England, 1861-10-28 00:00:00

lows :—" I had never spoken to him before that
night, nor he may to me."
Witness—l was mistaken in that, my lord.
Mr. Curran—Well, now, " Mary Anne," for we
cannot call you " Agnes" any more—what did he
say to you on the second occasion when he "chaffed"
you ?—He said " Come here, Mary. Anne." I made
him no answer, but passed on.
To Judge O'Brien—The second time the cabman
spoke to me that night I had moved up to another
doorway. It was below the cabman and nearer to
the bridge. I was between Bewley and Evan's, and
the bridge when the lady was getting into the cab.
The cab was about opposite Bewley and Evans's. I
was near the lady and gentleman, but not exactly
in contact with them.

The court adjourned at half-past 5 o'clock.

DUBLIN, SATURDAY NIGHT.
The trial was resumed this morning at 11 o'clock,
when Miss Jolly was cross-examined by Mr. Sidney.
Great as was the interest shown in it yesterday, it
was greater to-day. Long before 10 o'clock the
outer gate was beset by a great throng of persons
anxious to gain admission. The sheriff, Mr. Cal-
well, had made such arrangements as prevented
overcrowding, while every available spot was placed
at the disposal of the spectators. Some portion of
the increased. interest which was manifested was,
no doubt, owing to the rumours that witnesses
would be produced for the prisoner to contradict
the evidence of the witness Agnes Wyles.
Mr. Sergeant. Sullivan, Mr. Barry, Q.C., and
Mr. J. E. Walsh, Q.C., appeared for the Crown ;
Mr. Curran and Mr. Sidney appeared for the
prisoner.
The jury having answered to their names the
case was proceeded with.
Miss Jolly was cross-examined by Mr. Sidney.
I left Lombard-street on the night in question
about five minutes to 10. A gentleman told me that
was the hour. When I was going up Sackville-
street I did not observe the cab which I afterwards
engaged. I don't know whether, as my brother
stated, it was 17 minutes after 10 when we were
at the post-office. I did not observe any girl in a
door-way before I engaged a cab. I don't recol-
I lect whether he was nearer to the wall than I.
To Judge O'Brien—l did not observe a girl in
the doorway at all.
Cross-examination continued—l did not mind
nor observe any persons about me in the street.
I think I was leaning on my brother when he was
speaking to the cabman. He was holding the um-
brella over me. I got the ls. 6d. before he came
up to the cabman. After engaging him he directed
the cabman where to drive to. I don't remember
which way the cab opened, whether to the fore or
hind part. The cushion lining in the cab appeared
of a dark colour. It was after the cab was in
motion and when under a lamp that I observed
it was of a dark colour; my brother kept up with
the cab.
Is it truth when you said you recollected your
brother running along with the cab for some time?
He kept up with the cab for some distance.
Did you say these words—" I recollect my bro-
ther running along with the cab for some time ?"
I did.
Mr. Justice O'Brien—She said he ran along with
the cab, but she says now that she does not recollect
that he kept up with the cab.
Mr. Sidney—Very well,my lord. Is it a fact that
your memory was fresher then. than it is now ?
No.

Is your memory fresher now than it was then ?
It is not.
When did you make that statement ?--I think at
the police-office.
Was your brother examined before or after you
at the police-office ?—After me.
Are you aware that he said he walked along with
the cab P—l am.
Does the fact of your brother having made that
statement affect your recollection?—lt does not.
What has caused you to change that statement ?
—When I said he ran along I meant that he kept
up with the cab ; I recollect the 'place the cab
stopped first; the stoppage occupied five or six
minutes ; the cabman went back from the cab when
he stopped. I did not observe where he went.
Did you say on that night or the following morn-
ing at the stationmaster's that the man appeared
under the influence of drink P—l stated to the man
who spoke to me that he did not appear to be very
sober.
To Judge O'Brien—That was the man who spoke
to me on the road ; I don't recollect I stated that to
any other person.
Cross-examination continued—l don't remember
I stated to any one at the stationmaster's that the
cabman was in a publichouse ; the first transaction
when he stopped at the road, and opened the cab,
lasted longer than five minutes.
What I want to know is, from the time he stopped
the cab first, and having the conversation about it
being the wrong place, dragging you out of the cab,
and knocking you down, and you escaping to the
place where he followed you, what time did it
last? Did it last longer than five minutes P—lt
did—more; but I'm not sure how long.
From the time you crossed Classon's-bridge to
the time you saw the lamp at the station did you
see any ether lamp P—l don't recollect.
You said last night that when the cab stopped
there was a lamp at the corner behind ?—Yes ;
there was no lamp at all where the outrage took
place.
By a Juror—There were no lamps lighted in the
cab, nor can I say there were any lamps at all on it.
You were naturally excited P—l was. I stated
the cab stopped five or six minutes the first time ; I
am not sure. I would know the man who spoke to
me while the cabman was absent; the light of the
lamp which was near the cab where it first stopped
would have enabled me to see him if I had been
disposed to observe his features-
Judge Ball—Did you observe his features ?—I
did not.
Cross-examination continued—The following day
(Saturday) I saw a policeman at the railway sta-
tion, and I detailed to him in substance the par-
ticulars of the outrage. The policeman asked me
questions. Ido not know him. He was a young
man. I went to Portarlington on the 2d of Oct,
I saw a policeman there. I don't think I would
know him. I was in bed at the time and the room
was dark. I returned to Dublin on the 9th of Oct.
I went to the Castle-yard that day. I recollect being
in a room on a level with the commissioner's yard
on the 10th ; it is a small room opening in the hall.
There was a parade of cabmen that day in the
Castle-yard. Curran was one of the men put into
a double row of other MCA ; I do not know
where he went after that ; there were about ten
men in the row. I did not see any more of
Curran on that day. My:mamma and two other
ladies were with me in the room when the men
were paraded. Col. Lake came into the room while
the men were being paraded. Ido not remember
that he remained till the parade was over. I think
the parlour-door was open. I heard men talking in
the hall. I recollect hearing that the Friday fol-
lowing was appointed for the parade of 1,000 cabmen.
Did you see Curran in the yard on that Friday ?
[ do not remember; I do not think I saw him there
on Friday.
Is that your recollection P-1 do not think I saw
him on that Friday. I saw a number of cabmen in
the yard. I think there were 100.
Did you say in the police-office' " I think there
were 100 paraded on the following day ?"—I did say
that. From the 10th of October until the 18th of
October I did not see Curran ; but I saw him that

morning before I saw him in the dock at the police-
office.

Judge O'Brien—Where P—ln the Castle•yard,
getting out of a cab.
By a Juror—The features and whole appearance
of the prisoner were so impressed upon me all
through the outrage that it was impossible for me
to mistake him.

Another Juror—Did you see the cabman's hand at
the time you were handing him the money ?—Yes.
I did not see his features at that time. I have no
idea of the time that elapsed from the moment the
cabman pulled up until I reached the Miltown
station.

To Judge Ball—l did not particularly observe
the cabman's features at the time my brother was
bargaining with him about the fare. I saw his
features so many times during the outrage that it
would be impossible to forget him.
Re-examined by Mr. Barry—There was light
enough to discover the man's features when I was

dropping the money into his hand if I chose.

Mr. Barry then proposed to examine Miss Jolly
as to whether any one pointed out the position
which Curran was to occupy among the men who
were paraded, but Mr. Sidney objected, and the
Court ruled the questions could not be put.
Patrick Healy, the station-master, was next
examined. He described Miss Jolly coming to his
house after the occurrence, and the appearance she
presented.

In reply to a juror, he said the night was not
very dark ; it had cleared. The dress worn by Miss
Jolly was a dark one.
To another Juror—The night wasn't so dark but
that you could recognise a person, if near to him, so
as to know him in ten days after.
Miss Jolly was recalled.—ln reply to a juror, she
stated that she wore a mohair dress on the night in
question.
To Judge Ball—lt might create some rustling,
but not much, if a person were going into a cab.
To a Juror—lt was a dark blue and black.
Mrs. Emma Gelston examined—She deposed that
Miss Jolly was a governess in her family from the
month of August. She saw her at her own house
the morning after the occurrence at 11 o'clock. She
was extremely ill. liar face was swollen And liar