The Sun.
London, England, 1857-08-22 00:00:00

TO THE EDITOR OF TUE BUN.

Six,—Will you permit me space enough in your valu-
able paper to answer the remarks of " A. Seeker of Jus
tice," in reference to the changes proposed by the Senate
to be made in the charter of the University of London.
Your correspondent is, it appears, opposed to the pro-
pored unrestricted admission to degrees, so ably de-
fended against the attacks of certain graduates in your
article of Saturday last ; and in entertaining that opinion
be is but exercising his right of private jadgmer.t, to
which, as "a proprietor of. University CJllege," he has
a special claim. But I wish your correspondent had're-
plied to the article he objects to by " hard arguments,"
rather than " hard words;" for his letter is so full of
the latter—" fraud," "dishonesty," "Brit;4ll. Bankisin,"
and so on—that it is difficult to find the former in his
communication at all.

To understand the ease it is necessary just to recal the
fact,' so clearly stated by your own writer, that the -Uni-
versity of London—aimply an examining body, em-
powered by the State to grant degrees as certificates of
attainment—has hitherto admitted to its examinations
only thoss who were connected with one of thirty-eight
collegiate institutions ; these thirty-eight institutions
having been selected quite arbitrarily on the application
of their conductors, who were only required to convince
the Senate that they were able to give their alunvai the
requisite amount of education. By the proposed change
which is what your correspondent characterijes as
"fraud," "dishonesty," and "British. Bankive—the
Senate will admit to examination ad who offer them-
selves, without reference to the college at which they
have studied, or to tbeir having studied in a college at
all. Now it is difficult to imagine what can be the
"fraud," "dishonesty," and "British. Banlcism,"
in a change so simple as this; but "A Seeker
of Justice" finds it in some "implied contract"
with the present graduates, which he imagines
the change would violate. Of course it is easy enough
fsr him to set up this " implied contract," as it would
be equally easy for me to "imply " anything else, the
truth being, that an "implied contract," thus discovered
to suit a purpose-, is no contract at al, But taking his
own ground, where, I would ask, is the injustice to the
present graduates of the University, of thus widening the
door of admission I If it be unjust to the present
graduates to admit the students of all colleges to the
competitive examination, it must be unjust (only less so
in degree) to admit the students of any one college not
at present on the list ; and so the graduates might de-
mand that the present privileged thirty-eight should be
the exclusively privileged for all time. On the same
principle, the present electors 'for representatives in
Parliament might characterise any extension of the
suffrage as "fraud," " dishonesty," and " BritiA-
Bankism." Indeed, it is easy to see how this principle
might be used—as truly it has been in numberless
instances—to prevent any improvement in anything
at all.

I confess I am sorry to gee so many of my fellow-
giaduates joining'in the monopolising cry of wi.iloi "A
Soaker of Justice" has chosen to be the exponect inyour
columns. That it is a monopolising cry, who can doubt ?
For is not education education, although not given ih
one of the thirty-eight colleges ? If a man know Latin
and Greek, what matter whether he learnt it in one of
the thirty-eight colleges or not ? It might be that the
University of London had been established for the
benefit of the thirty-eight colleges, and not, as declared
in itsnharter, for the advancement of education in the
whole of Great Britain ! I fear myself that--whether
consciously or not—it is the old ghost of " respectabi-
lity" that is haunting too many of the graduates. They
are alarmed for the standing of their class.' TbeY,re
afraid to find rough brawny hands on the same table
with their gold-ringed fingers. Bat
who would have
supposed that this old ghost st,ll lingered amongst " the
educated" of England ? Who w
find it in Burlington-house ? would have expected to
4s to the la,t suggestion of your deferred,corresponde.nt, that
the whole matter ought to have been till, by the
new charter, the graduates had become a part of the
governing power, it is sufficient to observe that the
of the University
re-
cent action of the graduates proves that it is well that it
of
was not so. The senate London
knew too well what they were about to hand over their
institution, unguarded, to those who have proved that
they would have made it nothing but a clique. lam
proud of my own T.Jniversity,as already one of the most
eld trust
c hao
gtehse, Saricrcel Secretaryo
uorf
ilSottavvtiethwsitialnsdtianngC,l
absy
etahle
proposed valuable agencies existing for the advancement of educa-
tion.
culated to extend immensely the Usefulness of the Uni-
versity, akd to perpetuate its influence for many ages to
come. . . _

I enclose wy card, and am, siro yours truly,

London, Aug. 22, 1857.

A GRADUATE,

ROYAL SURREY GARDENS compAnrj

Yesterday evening a meeting of the sbareboldera
iu this undertaking was held at the Duke of Cla-
rence Tavern, Penton-street, Walwortb,, for the
purpose of taking into consideration the unfortunate
position in which this company is at present placed.
The chair was taken by Mr. Coombe.

The CHAIRMAN said his feelings and opinions re'
lative to this company bad . been well known for
the last six months. He hoped every one who ad'
dressed the meeting would be heard, and upon this
understanding he should undertake the duties ofe
the chair. They were assembled as shareholders of
a great public undertaking, and he should be hapPY
if any one present could vindicate t& conduct 01
the directors in the course they had pursued.
Mr. FLEMING said when he addressed the share'
holders on a former occasion he had gone at some
length into the accounts of the company. Ile
believed there were few who did not feel astonished
when the announcement was made that the cow'
pany was bankrupt. He did not mean to cast any
reflection upon individuals, but he did mean to
say that their affairs had been greatly mismanage
It appeared that the whole capital of the compel
had been quite lost, and the petition for the wind-
ing up of the company was from the architect of
the Music-hall. By reference to the deed c-f set'
tlement, they would find that 14,0001. had been
stated to 'be paid to Mr. Tyler, as the purchase'
money of the gardens. There were then 14 years
of the lease unexpired, the rental being 3461.
a-year. Any man, he contended, would know that
in the state in which the garslens then were, the
lease was not worth farthing. The lease was
under the Dean and Chapter of Canterbury, and le
addition to the rent, the property was subject to a,
septennial fine of a year and a , half of the annual
estimated value. Now, they wanted to knotrf
first, why such a sum should have been laid
out on a speculation without consulting a col,"
mittee of the shareholders, but simply arrange'
-and concocted by the promoters of the companY'
The question would arise, who received that 14,000/.
—into whose hands it went in the first instance, and
how it was disposed of ? Mr. Tyler appeared to he
the party, but it would be found he did not receive,
it. He would not mention names, but he would
state this was a gross fraud, and no court would sal
that any director had a right to expend 14,000/. to
the purchase of property which was not worth 3
farthing. The sum of 18,000/. was put down 05,
expended on the building. There was an item
3,175/. for preliminary expenses, but no statement
was given what these expenses were for, and he
was of opinion that the matter would not bear ere'
mination. The petition to have the company wain"
up was from the architect of the building.
A SHAREHOLDER said the architect had not re'
ceiyed one farthing.
Mr. FLEXING said he was sorry to hear that, for
he had designed a beautiful building. Theirloss
had been 58,560/. and they had 11,0001. odd to pay'
making a total of nearly 70,000/. (Hear.) NiVil
the British Bank seemed a fool to this. The dire'
tors would be put into the witness-box and wool",
be examined as to these matters. It might be said
that they should have looked into the account?
but the accounts they could not get. Six months
ago they had been told by Mr. Coppock that there
had been no liabilities but the current expense °`
the gardens ; and not only was a vote of thanlo
moved at-that meeting to the directors, but ?),
vote of indemnity also. He (Mr. Fleming) ch“
not understand the latter vote, and moved as 1!1,
amendment that it should be omitted ; but on the
question being put he was told by the secretly,'
that the amendment was lost. He might also sta'e
that in consequence of dvertisements put into the
newspapers stating that the company was flourisll.;
lag and paying 10 per cent., a large number 01'
persons came forward and took shares, and fore
source there had been received 1;2001. _ There
were a great number of tradesmen and others
who would 'lose their accounts, and he wished It
to go forth that they had no knowledge of sue'
things, as they could not ebtain 'the accoun':
(Hear, hear.) He had a resolution to propose tiu
the meeting, but, before doings°, a document wad
be read by the chairman.
Mr. NICHOL said he made an application to se?
the books, as he was dissatisfied with the statement
which had been made to the shareholders. He NvAs
refused, however, any access to the books by Mr'
Coppock. As the auditor was now present, he
should like to know why they were debited with
18,0001. for the build:ng, when it seemed the money
was not paid.
Mr. WESTON said the whole of that money veal
paid to the builders, but not to the architect.
Mr. Cirarrren said he felt bound to say, as the
salary of M. Jullien hal been referred to, that g•
J ullien had paid 4001. on account of his shares. Ile
had received nothing whatever on account of hie
salary, and, in addition to that loss, he had made
himself liable to several tradesmen, which liability
he was afraid would fall upon him. (Shame.)
The CHAIRMAN then read a petition, which he
said with the consent of the meeting would be pre"
rented to-morrow (this day) to the Court of Bank'
ruptcy. The petit.on was of considerable length,
and set forth a number of allegations which it toe
submitted should be 'searchingly inquired into 14
the shareholders, at the meeting which stands con-
vened by the directors for Tuesday next, the 25th
inst., and it prayed the Court net to go into the,
affairs of the bankruptcy—to-morrow (this day)
being appointed for that purpose—till after a,l3°
meeting to Le held on Tuesday. The chairmensail
if any one had any statement to make on behalf
the directors he would be ready to hear it. Be',,
lieving, as he 'did, the document which he had read
to be a correct statement of facts he should be the
first to sign it, and should do so at once. (Hear.),
M. JIILLIZEN said that Mr. Beale at the firs'
meeting of the committee retired in disgust frosi
the direction, and Mr. Chappel soon after did the
same. Of the remaining directors (three we be'
lieve), one-was the entire manager for the last 0
months. He (M Jullien) had never receivecl
thing for his salary, though he had been workiei
hard forethe last twelve months. He had engage°
all the artists fur the Fe,tival, and after all the er
penses there was a profit of 1,000/. The receipts
were taken away every evening. The affair would
cost him about , 6,000/., besides the loss of bib
salary, and all he had got was a dishonoured btu
and..a, dishonoured cheque. _

Mr. VINING d(4.lhted that the proposed petit;oo
would be received. It would seem from the state
of the company that the affairs must be wound up,
and delay would not' be advisable. The mortgage/
the purchase, and other matters could not be W
quire(' into by a more cdinpetent court than the
Court of Bankruptcy. There was such a thing as
fraudulent preference, and a clause in the lato act
would apply to the directors. He would advise
that they should immediately ascertain the rights
of the parties and things might be set right.
Mr. OLIVER asked whether the meeting on the
25th would take plac; as it was reported it would
not be held ?

The CHAIRMAN said it was in the power of the
shareholders to hold the meeting if they decided to
do so.

Mr. FLEMING said that much as be had been
surprised before, he had been still more surprised
at what he had heard at the meeting from M.
Jullien. That gentleman had been the mainstay of
the 'concern and he had been most shamefully
treated. -(fiear, hear.) ,
The CHAIRMAN said it appeared a deep fraud
had b3en committed, and they should sift it to the
bottom: (Hear, hoar.)
Mr. NELSON LEE said he agreed with M. Julliee,
that if tha gardens bad been full every evening'
they could not have paid in consequence of the
shameful management. He had been for maul
yeara a caterer for public amusement, and he felt
sure that, if properly managed, there was no better
property in London than the Surrey Gardens.
(Hear.) _ _

Mr. JULLIEN—A mine of wealth.
After some desultory discussion, the following
resolution was agreed to :
That the petition, read by the Chairman, be
approved of and signel by the shareholders, and
be presented to the Court of Bankruptcy,
requestedto-mor-
to
tedto with a cordial vote of
thanks to the chairman. present the petition."
row (this day) ; and it was further resolved that
Mr. Fleming be
tenn ina
Tlieleinmmoetging

DEATH FR. 031 ADULTERATED SOAP.—The Rev. Mr
Lockhart, of the parish church, Kilinaurs, died very
suddenly at his maims on Wednesday evening last. It
appears that a few dAys before, while in the act of
shaving, he slightly cut his face. Some poisonous sob•
stance, supposed to have been in the soap, passed
through his whole body, from the effects of which he
died. The rev. gentleman was much and deservedly
esteemed.—Ayrshire Express.
SEVERE RAIL STORM,--During the thunderstorm oe
Friday (August 14), the hail fell so heavily at Paulton,
in Wil shire, that most of the windows in the vilage
were smashed to pieces, the crops of corn in the neigh-
bourhood were cut to pieces, and a great number of
rabbits, hares, and other animals were killed. Our in-
formant picked up seven brace, and his farm servant
said he could, on Saturday morning, pick up in the
cornfields young partridges " by the bushel."
CONVICTION OV THE LATE GRAND MASTED, OF THE
ORDER OF ODD FELLOWS.—SOUTHAMPTON, Friday.--
J. C. Cox, late grand master of the order of Odd Fellows
(tVlanchester Unity), was placed at the bar before the
mayor and magistrates, charged on remand with not
giving up the funds committed to his keeping as corre-
sponding secretary of the order. The Bench declared
the cLarge proven, and ordered the defendant to pal
the amount of 1211. 144. 10d. to the society, or in default
to be imprisoned for two calendar months, with hard
labour. The money was not forthcoming, and the
prisoner was committed to gaol,

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