The Sun.
London, England, 1861-10-18 00:00:00

THE SUN, LONDO :ill FRIDAY g ENI 'NG, OCTOBER 18.1 1861.

measure in the Wednesday triumphs of Conserva-
tism—in the beating of a Ministry willing to be
beaten on all the measures of political liberty
proposed by some of their supporters ; and still
more on beating them on the great Church Rate
question. He was confident that the majority of
the country were with the Speaker in giving his
vote with the Noes. That the majority of the
county members, the majority of the clergymen
who canvas for them, the majority of the clerical
churchwardens, and the majority of the landlords
were with Mr. Speaker, we have no doubt. -What
we doubt, and more than doubt, is whether the
majority of the ratepayers were with him. They
are the parties really concerned. Now we
should desire nothing more than to have
a fair ballot in every parish in the kingdom
on the question—Preserve Church-rates or Abolish
them. If the Conservative Papillon held it for a
rule that it was. Conservative to abide by the deci-
sion of rate-payers, we are quite certain that his
Conservatism would carry him into the same lobby
with Sir JOHN TRELAWNY.

Thus far our PAPlLLON—anglice butterfly, as

we should perhaps have observed before—tells us
how the winds have blown ; but there is not one
little hint of the Conservative wind to be ex-
pected to-morrow. He is one of the few Conser-
vative members who have adverted to-the new
minute of the Council of Education ; and his pious
fear is, that it combines "with the grant of State
money the minimum of religious instruction, with the
maximum of injustice to schoolmasters and teachers."
On both these points we may presume that the
Conservatives mean to have a triumph next session
—no Wednesday triumph, but a good regular six
or seven days' debate triumph, unless, indeed, of
which there are symptoms, the Government sur-
renders at discretion by next March.
Now, it will really be a sad thing if the Govern-
ment does this. The cry of vested interests is
too bad, in behalf of a new institution which
has been subject, like the present system, to annual
notice of probable alteration. We maintain, too,
that nearly all the teachers and their patrons who
complain so, have already, in the education and
status they have acquired, obtained a fair quid pro
quo for any little sacrifice they may have made.
We admit it may not be pleasant to them toreceive pay
for results only, not as before for certificated position.
But what the country has a right to ask is, the
certificate worth, unless the certificated man can
produce the results we pay for? It is unpleasant, too,
to come do' n from the higher topics of education
to the humble matters of writing, reading, and
arithmetic. Yet just Vim are the only legitimate
objects of pauper education. And it should never
be forgotten that all Government education is
pauper education. As the patient who receives aid
from the parish doctor is, to that extent, pauperized,
so the parent and child who are aided out of the
State taxes, in regard to education, are so far
paupers. They eat the educational bread furnished
them by taxpayers; and we must maintain that the
necessary elements are all that ought to be fur-
nished by what may be justly termed the Educa-
tional Poor Law.

We hope, therefore, the Government will abide
by the principle of paying for results, and for
elementary results only. This will not hinder the
managers and masters from teaching all else they
like; it will not hinder them from offering prizes
and encouragements for attainments in every other
department of education—in Latin, Greek, and
mathematics if they like—and it will limit the
pauper relief, in education, within the bounds
assigned it by reason and common sense. The pre-
sent object of the Government is not to economise in
regard to the amount of the grant, but in regard
to its application ; and the Government deserves
the support of all persons who care for the honest
appropriation of public money. We do not object
indeed, to any temporary modifications, which may
relieve a little the fears of the frightened school.
masters, but we do decidedly object to the Govern-
ment being frightened out of its duty to the tax-
payers by interested clamour.
As to the sectarian hubbub about religious
examinations, we have yet to learn that is is any
part of a Government's duty to provide for teaching
religion, and therefore for testing its quality. It
found the established and non-established sects in
possession of the educational field. It did not
desire to take it out of their hands ; it resolved, as
the more satisfactory plan, to utilise their
agency ; it said—We will help you through the
secular part if you will arrange yourselves
for the other part. On the religious part being
well done the managers could always insist as much
as they pleased ; the teacher was absolutely in their
hands—this they can do still. If, however, the
managers like to teach nothing else but their
catechisms, so be it—only let them pay themselves
for their religious crotchets. A secular Govern-
ment has quite enough to do to look to the secular
part of education, and to pay for that.

Their Highnesses the Princesses Wiadimir and
Anatole Bariatil asky have left the Clarendon Hotel for
Paris.

His Excello my the Bavarian Minister and the
Baroness de Cetto have returned to town from Brighton.
THE LATE MAJOR SIBTHORP.—Mr. Beresford
Hope, in a letter to a contemporary, says :—" The notice
of Major Sibthorp's lamented death is incorrect so far as
it relates to me. Ji was not present at it, nor had I any
communication with him. But, having casually heard of
it on the evening upon which it occurred at St. Leonard's-
on-Sea, I mentioned it in London the next day, whence
must have arisen the rumour connecting me with the
event."

The Castlehar correspondent of the Irish Times
contradicts his own report about one gentleman shooting
another, and says it was raised " for fun" by a military
gentleman.

According to the Indian advises yesterday, a bill
has been passed to enable the banks of Bengal, Madras,
and Bombay to enter into arrangements for managing the
issue, payment, and exchange of the Government currency
notes about to be put in circulation. This will operate in
some slight degree to mitigate the objections which must
always prevail against the Government assuming any
practical part in such matters, and may, perhaps, pave the
way to a sound system in accordance with that which
exists in England.
At a meeting of the Commercial Bank of Sydney,
on the 26th of July, a report was presented showing that
the net profit of the past half year, including the balance
brought from the last account, was £25,432, out of which a
dividend was declared at the rate of 14 per cent. per annum,
and £2,000 added to the reserve, leaving £1,032 to be car-
ried forward. The reserve now stands at £64,000, or 20
per cent, of the capital.
Yesterday the poll for the election of the West-
minster Bondholders' Commissioners was closed, and Mr.
George Ogle and Mr. J. S. Newbon were declared to have
been chosen. The result of the scrutiny of the votes polled
was—Mr. Ogle, 670 ; Mr. Newbon, 638 ; Mr. Vance, 624 ;
Capt. Kennett, 592. The mortgagees have elected Mr.
Wright and Mr. Driver, and the Board of Trade have ap-
pointed Mr. Tite; M.P., chairman of the new Commission.
It may be hoped that every effort will now be made to put
an end to litigation.
THE COMMISSIONAIRES.—To prevent any incon-
venience arising from the temporary absence of a commis-
sionaire from his station, and to enable persons living at
a distance from any established post to secure the services
of a man without delay, the wires of the London District
Telegraph Company have been extended to the Barracks
of the Corps, and an order left at any of the company's sta-
tions (a list of which is published in the monthly circular
of the Corps) will secure the immediate attendance of a
commissionare at any part of London or the suburbs with-
out any charge to the employer for the message.
CRINOLINE IN EXETER-HALL.—A correspondent
says :—" I have applied for some reserved seats for the
oratorio of" Elijah" both at Mr. Mitchell's and at Mr.
Sams's libraries, and I was told there are none to be had.
On inquiry I ascertained the somewhat amusing fact that
nearly 400 seats have been sacrificed to—crinoline I The
hall holds 3,000 seats, of 16 inches each; but the present
fashion requires 18, and reduces the number of sittings by
370 or 375. When Handel produced his " Messiah" for
the benefit of a charity in Dublin the managers are re-
ported to have requested the ladies to dispense with hoops
for the occasion. Might not the precedent be followed on
the 22d, to enable a greater number of persons to witness
the wondrous performance, and to add nearly £4OO to the
charities in aid of which Madame Lind-Goldschmidt has
consented once more to leave her retirement ?"
BUSINESS AT THE ADMIRALTY.—In 1792 the num-
ber of the letters despatched from the Admiralty was 8,251;
in 1835 it had increased to 31,086 ; and in 1860 to 68,622,
and that although in this last year a large number of unim-
portant routine letters were no longer registered, and a
considerable number of documents which used to be re-
tained at Whitehall are now, when acted upon, sent to
Somerset-house. The pages of entry, 4,402 in 1792, and
10,132 in 1835, were 30,669 in 1860. There was more to
write about ; the artificers in the dockyards increased from
7,884 in 1835 to 18,574 in 1860, and the ships in commission
from 167 to 363. But the Admiralty correspondence is
swelled by an interference in details that might have been
expected to be left to the admirals or commanders-in-chief
at the ports. Rear-Admiral G. Elliot told the Commons' com-
mittee on the Board of Admiralty that le had seen piles of
letters upon most trivial matters lately, for instance a long
correspondence which a lieutenant had had with the Admi-
ralty about a tablecloth, and he believed there were several
copies of the letters made. The lieutenant, it seems, was
tired first ; he could not get his pay, and therefore made his
tablecloth a flag of truce, and came to terms of peace.
THE LATE MAJOR-GENERAL HUTTON.—Major-
General Hutton, whose death we announced a few days
since, had served for a period of nearly 50 years in India.
He received a cadetcy in the Madras Army in 1811, was
gazetted Ensign in the 22d Madras native Infantry on the
11th of June, 1812, and joined his regiment in India on the
13th of July of the same year, from which time till his
death he served in that country, with the exception of occa-
sional periods of absence on medical certificate, amounting
in the whole to about seven years. General Hutton was
employed against the rebels in Rajahmundy in 1813-14,
against the Pindaree inrcads in 1815-16; he served with his
regiment in the Mahratta campaign, with the light field
force against the ex-Rajah of Nagpore in 1819, and in the
campaign in Burmah in 1825-26. General Hutton held
command of regiments for 13 years. In 1839.40 he was ap-
pointed one of the Commissioners to investigate the charges
against the eldest brother of the Nizam, and was Assistant-
Adjutant-General of the Hyderabad subsidiary force. He
held
,the command of the garrison at Fort St. George,
Madras, and the commands of the Saugor and Southern
divisions. General Hutton had received the medal for Ave.
By his death, which occurred at Vizianagram on the 28th
of August last, the colonelcy of the 22d Regiment of Her
Majesty's Madras Array becomes vacant. The dates of his
commissions arc as follows :—Ensign, June 11, 1812 ; Lieu-
tenant, September 17, 1815 ; Captain, January 15, 1826 ;
Maj,T, November 11, 1839; Lieutenant-Colonel, Novem-
ber 3, 1844; Colonel, June 2, 1854 ; Major-General, July
4, 1856.

JUDICIAL TORTURE IN HUNGARY.—The Gazette
des 2ribunaux relates an almost incredible act of judicial
torture in Hungary :—" Two soldiers, brothers, of the name
of Varga, on furlough in the town of Koertselye, Comitat
of Sapatumare, having been accused of having committed
a burglary in a public-house, were taken before a police
magistrate, Erdelyi by name. He questioned them, but
they firmly protested that they were innocent. As he
could not succeed in making them confess, he sent for two
pandours from the nearest guard-house, and by his orders
they tied cords tightly round the thumbs of each
man, and pulled them until blood flowed, then they placed
each man's arms in such a way that the hands were be-
hind his head, and they bound the wrists fast together ;
next they passed a cord from the wrists beneath his legs,
pulled it as tight as possible, and tied it round his neck.
Though suffering dreadfully, the two men were again
interrogated, but they persisted in affirming their inno-
cence, and the magistrate declared that if they would
not confess he would leave them in that state until the
next day. At length one of them, overcome, fainted, and
ono of the'pandours threw water in his face until he par-
tially recovered consciousness, and then the man pushed
him
oughtbr t a l ito y
know against
haw wall,to saying, 'As you are a soldier,
youendure
suffering.' After bearing
the dreadful torture for about 20 minutes, the two young
soldiers, in order to obtain relief, said that they had com-
mitted the burglary, and their bonds were removed.
Erdeyli then told then? that as they were at liberty they
must renew the confession they had made, but they declared
that they had only admitted guilt to escape from torture,
and that in reality they had nothing to do with the bur-
glary. On that Erdelyi struck them in the face, and
ordered that they should again be subjected to torture, but
from
terror
the
A tw
note of young
men again admitted that they
were their admission was taken down in
guilty.o

writing, and they were sent to prison to await trial; but a
few hours after they felt so ill that they had to be removed
to the hospital. The superior magistrate of the district
was informed of what had taken place, and he at once had
Erdelyi lodged in prison on the double charge of torturing
'Rho young men, and of usurping the functions of the mill,
tary tribunal by treating them as if they were civilians,
r instead of handing them over to the military authorities.
The two brothers were afterwards tried by the military tri-
bunal for the alleged charge of burglary, but they were ac•
quitted. As to Erdelyi, he remains it prison."

Lord Monboddo was consider‘d an able lawyer,
and on many occasions exhibited a very clear and correct

judicial discernment of intricate cases. It was one of his
peculiarities that he never sat on the bench with his brother

judges, but always at the clerk's table. Different reasons
for this practice have been given, but the simple fact seems

_ .
to have been, that he was deaf, and heard better at the
lower seat. His mode of travelling was on horseback. He
scorned carriages, on the ground of its being unmanly to

"sit in a box drawn by brutes." When he went to Lon-

don he rode the whole way. At the same period, the late
Mr. Barclay of Ury (father of the late laird), when he re-

presented Kinc,rdineshire in Parliament, always walked
to London. lie was a very powerful man, and could walk

fifty miles a day, his usual refreshment on the road being a

bottle of port wine, poured into a bowl, and drunk off at a

draught. I have heard that George 111. was much inte-

rested at these performances, and said " I ought to be proud
of my Scottish subjects, when my judges ride and my
members of Parliament walk to the metropolis. On one

occasion of his being in London, Lord Monboddo attended
a trial in the Court of King's Bench. A cry was heard that

the roof of the courtroom was giving way, upon which
judges, lawyers, and people made a rush to get to the door.
Lord Monboddo viewed the scene from his corner with

much composure. Being deaf and short. sighted, he knew
nothing of the cause of the tumult. The alarm proved a
false oue ; and on being asked why he had not bestirred him-

self to escape like the rest, he coolly answered that he sup-
posed it was an annual ceremony with which, as an alien
to the English laws, he had no concern, but which he con-
siden,cl it interesting to witness as a remnant of antiquity.
Lord Monboddo died 1799.—Reminiscences of Scottish _Life
and Character.