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THE SUN, LOND:ON, THURSDAY EVENING, JANUARY 8, 1857.

the old filled-up bills. They were given to him for the
purpose of forging the name en the original acceptance.
I cannot say now where it was that I gave them to him.
He returned them to me on the following day, saying,
"I have taken a copy of them ;" and on that day I paid
the 2001. into my account at Coutts's, where I had had an
account for some time. I have had transactions of the
kind with Saward for years past, from time to time,
and I understood what was to be done with them.
The usual practice was to get some innocent per-
son to present the forged document. I recollect
being in Townend's shop (batter), in Cheapside,
with Anderson and Atwell. A young man named
Clements came into the shop and asked for employment.
I followed him out, and asked him what sort of a
situation he required, because I thought I knew a per-
son who could employ him. I informed Anderson
and Saward afterwards what I had done. Clements
told me he was just come up from Devonshire, and was
looking for a situation. He had lately lived there with
a person named Fortescue. I afterwards went to
Clements' address and saw him. Anderson wrote to
Clements, appointing a meeting with him, and
to bring the note with him. Lodgings had been
taken to pass off the 1,0001. bill of exchange. I
think Anderson then went by the name of Riley.
The lodging was taken near De Beauvoir-town,
Kingsland. I recollect meeting Anderson, Saward,
and Atwell afterwards in June, and going to a public-
house in the Englefield-road, Kingsland. The name
of the house was the Sussex Arms. We went there
about 9 o'clock in the morning and had some brandy and
water. We were waited on by the landlady, who apo-
logised for the room not being ready at so early an
hour ; pen and ink and the newspaper were called
for and brought in. The newspaper was
put into my hands. I produced a 201. note,
and Saward wrote a name and address on it; that was
produced for the purpose of Anderson's giving it to
Cements to get changed. Anderson took the note and
left the public-house. At a subsequent period whilst the
others remained at the Sussex Arms, Anderson left, and
shortly after returned with 20/. and two 10 shilling bill
stamps ; when the stamps were brought back, he put one
of them on the 1,000/. bill and wrote a receipt across it ;
he also filled in the dates on the face of the bill. I don't
recollect seeing the bill before I saw it at the Sussex
Arms. Saward brought it there with him. The bill was
given to Anderson, who took it with a bag to put the
gold in, and gave to Clements to get it cashed. I went
to the bank to see if it was paid ; I went to Messrs.
Heywood-8' bank, and waited outside for Clements. At•
well came to me and gave me notice of Clements' arrival,
and I followed him close into the bank. I saw the
money paid, and 'the gold was being put into the bag
by the young roan, when I went out and made a signal
to Atwell that all was right. Atwell went in and then
saw the clerk dragging the bag of money back from
the young man. Witness then detailed what occurred
afterwards similar to that of Atwell, and then stated
that the failure with regard to Mr. Turner in the first

MAYSION-HOUSE.—Jett. 7,
The following appeared in part of our impression of
yesterday :
This afternoon the further examination of James
Townshend Seward and James Anderson was resumed
before the Lord Mayor, at the Mansion-house, charged
with forging and uttering a bill of exchange for 1,0001.,
with intent to defraud Messrs. Hankey and Co., bankers.
Mr. Mullins appeared, on the part of the Committee
of Bankers, to prosecute. The prisoners were unde-
fended.
Twelve o'clock was the hour appointed for the com-
mencement of the proceedings, but in consequence of
the pressure of other business the prisoners were not
placed at the bar till near 2 o'clock.
Seward, on being placed at the bar, addressed Mr.
Goodman, the Chief Clerk, saying that he feared, in
his high state of excitement on Saturday, be bad spoken
discourteously to him, and he begged to apologise for it.
The examination of Atwell was then proceeded with.
He said that the second I 0 U given to Mr. Turner
to recover, was written at a public-house in Duke-street,
Lincoln's-inn-fields. Hardwicke, Anderson, Seward,
and I were present. After it was written it was rubbed
over the table to give it a dirty appearance. I received
of Mr. Turner, on 24th June, a cheque for 1031.8 i. 10d.,
which I gave to Seward, and he returned it to me again
in abort an hour and a half afterwards. I then took
it to the bank and got it cashed, receiving a
1001. note, and the rest in money, in exchange for it.
I gave the note to Hardwicke, as it was his money that
was advanced to pay the I 0 U. Immediately after
this three or four persons were written to in answer to
advertisements, and a lodging was taken near Newing-
ton-crescent, as one of the places where the parties were
to come. The cheque produced, for 4101. 75. 4d. I
first saw on the day it was to be presented to Messrs.
Gosling's for payment. On the same day I was in com-
pany with Anderson and Saward,
,near Morning-
ton-crescent. The cheque purported to be signed by
Mr. Turner, and at the time two other cheques were
prepared. Oa Saturday, Jane 28, I went in the neigh-
bourhood of the -University Hotel, near Gower-street,
Tottenham-court-road, where a young man was to come
by arrangement with Anderson. Hardwicke was to be
in Fleet-street waiting near Gosling's bank. Seward
was a party to the arrangement. I followed a young
man from the University Hotel to Messrs. Gosling's
bank in Fleet-street. The three cheques I have men-
tioned were in the possession of Seward. Hardwicke
went with the young man into the bank, whilst I
remained outside. When the check was paid, Hard-
wicke made a signal to me it was "all right."
When the young man came out I followed him, and
when near Mornington-court Anderson stopped him, and
he gave the money to Anderson. In case of success it
bad been arranged that we should meet at a publicheuee
near the Haymarket. All met there buCHardwicke,
and after waiting sometime we left and went to a
coffee-house in the London-road, but before doing sr,
Seward left to find Hardwicke, and returned with him.
Th money was then produced (eight 501. notes, and
some gold). Hard wicke gave 351. for each 501. note,
and the money was then divided between the four pre-
sent, and the man who found the cheque. Shortly after
and Hardwicke went to Hamburg and changed the
notes. In the month of August I recollect a transaction
coming off on Messrs. Hankey. Hard wicke gave
Seward a genuine cheque on Messrs. Hankev, and
Seward found some blank cheques to match. Saward
told me that he had received the cheque from Hard-
wicke, and that he (Seward) had some blanks that weeld
fit. An appointment was made, and we met in Bishops-
gate-churchyard. In this transaction we only were
concerned. Seward then produced three cheques to us
in the passage leading from Biehopregate-churchyard to
Broad-street, and I believe those now produced to be
the same. They were for 501., 1001., and 1001., and
drawn on Messrs. Hankey, and purporting to be signed
by Mr. Baldwin per pro, of Smith and Knight. [This
is the charge Anderson was apprehended on.] After
leaving the churchyard we went to the Magpie public-
house in Bishopegate-street. It was between 10 and 11
o'clock. We went into the small parlour at the back of
the Magpie. Anderson was dressed. It was there pro-
posed that Anderson should go to the White Hart,
opposite, and send the cheque for 501. from that place to
be cashed. I and Hardwicke were to watch the party
to the bank. I saw Anderson go to the White Hart,
Saward having previously given him the cheque for 501.
I followed the boots who gave evidence on a former oc-
casion to the bank and back. Hardwicke went into
the bank with him to see all was right. I
followed the young man back, and on my way I called
into the Magpie, where Seward and Anderson were
waiting, and informed them of it. Anderson left and
went to the White Hart, and speedily returned to the
Magpie, and gave Seward three 101. notes, and 201.
in gold. I took the notes to Mr. Baum, money
changer, in Lombard-street, and had French money
for them, and wrote my address on them as Henry
Hunter, 42, Brick-lane, Spitalfields. The notes pro-
duced with that address on them are the same. I took
the French money back to the Magpie. Seward then
gave Anderson one of the cheques for 100 g. Ander en
then went with it to the Four Swans, Biehepegate-
street. He went into the coffee-room, and I followed
him in. He sat near the fire-place, and I sat near the
door. I saw Anderson in conversation with the waiter,
and saw him give the cheque to English, the hoots,
to get cashed. Hardwicke at this time was waiting at
the gateway. I and Hardwicke followed the boots
to Messrs. Hankey's. I went into the bank, and sew
the money paid. I went back to the Magpie, an in-
formed Anderson and Saward that the money was paid.
Anderson then went to the Four Swans, and returned
with six 101. notes, and 401. in gold. All the money was
paid to Seward. It was intended to have presented the
third cheque that day, but it being found too late then
to do so it was postponed till the following Monday.
The 1501 was divided en Saturday. Hardwicke took the
notes at 8/. 10e. each. On the Monday morning follow-
ing we all met at the passage leading to Gregory's Hotsl
in Cheapside. We then went to a public house in Wood-
street, and there Seward gave Anderson a cheque for
1001. Anderson went to Gregory's Hotel, and sent a
young man, who was engaged for the purpose, for a
book, and afterwards with the cheque, as had been
arranged. I followed the young man to the hank. The
cheque was stopped, and I returnedao Saward and An-
derson at the publio-h011519 in Wood-street, and informed
them (4 it. Shortly after I went down to Yarmouth
with Hardwicke, in consequence of Hardwicke becoming
possessed of a cheque on Messrs. Dayton's'bank at Yar-
mouth. That cheque suggested what was called " busi-
ness." Seward saw that cheque. We went to Yarmouth
on business. Seward was aware of what we were going
there for. We3went there, and Hardwicke furnished
himself with an introduction by paying money into one
of the banks in the name of James Ralph. I used the
name of Atwood. He went to Messrs. Reynold and
do., solicitors, Messrs. Chaniberlain, solicitors, and
Messrs. Prestons, and instructec each of them to write
for a debt he said was due to him. He went to Mes• re.
Miller and Son of Norwich, and did the same with them.
The name of the debtors were Henry Jones, 31), Union-
terrace, Bagnigge-wells-road, and Edward Dixon, 18,
"Ampton•street, Gray's. nn-road. The applications were
made for 1001. Paces had been taken in London where
the letters could be received, These applications were
made the latter end efJannary. Two bitters pro ]shed,
dated September, and purporting to be answers to t vo
of the solicitor's letters at Yarmouth, are, I believe, in
the handwriting of Saward. On our return to town we
met Saward and Anderson, and went with them to a
public-house at the corner of Qe-en-street and Cannon.
street. We there had some chops and steak IT dinner,
On that occasion writing materials were purchased, aed
Saward wrote two letters in my presence. One is signed
Jones and the other Dixon, announcing to the Yarmonte
solicitors i . payment ofthemoney into% London bae leer's
They had been instructed to apply for it. Hardwicke then
paid in the two arnoun'ee and a third sum. I and Hard-
wieke then went to Yarmouth and received the monev.
In consequence of what hanpened there we were taken
into custody, forwarded to London, and ultimately cere
yicted. The three letters writ`en by the attorneys at - Yarmouth', demanding payment of the money, e ere The investigation of the charges preferred against Mr
given to me by Seward when. Hardwicke and I came Surr Edward Peck Barber, the secretary of the Samari
back to London. Before paying in the money (the let- t tars produced are the same) I took the letters back to an Institution, for obtaining goods under false pre-
Yarmouth with me, and they were found in my pessess, tenses from Messrs. Hoare and Co., Messrs. Huntley
sion when I was apprehended there. 14 my
_memo. and Palmer. Messrs. Manners and Wells, and Messrs.
randum-book was found a 10s. stamp, a fell.,ve one to Pensford and Co., was yesterday resumed before Sir P.
that put on the 1,0001. bill.
W. Carder, at Guildhall.
Mr. Mullins said that was all the evidence this wit- Mr. Sleigh again appeared for the prosecution, and
mug would now give.
His Lordship--Saward, do you wish to ask this wit-
Mr. Joyce for the defence,
nese any questions ?
Mr. Capel, the chairman to the board of guardians 'of
Saward—Yes. I wish to ask him whether he was the West L-ndon Union, was called, when a discussion
ever convicted of a criminal offence ..ore
this one ? arose as to whether he should be examined to disprove
Atwell— A.m I hound to answer that question ? the allegation of Mr. Sleigh that the institution was a
Mr. Mullins—Oh, yes ; tell Us all about it. sham.
I had nine moethin im isonment. y,
Atwell—Yes. It was for an attempted burglar and Alderman Carden having intimated that this was un-
pr necessary,
William Salt Hardwicke deposed—l am a convict, Mr. Joyce said, he said it with all respect, but he
under sentence of transportation for life. Prior ta this 'thought from the beginning there had been a leaning
I was in Brecon Gaol on a charge of burglary; towards te prosecution, unintentionly he admitted, b
I escaped, and was subsequertly tried and cen. the bench,b which had prejudiced the caal
se of Mr. Barber.y victed of felony. I was sentenced to seven years' trans. Sir R. W. Carden said he never was so insulted in his
portation.
my tick I suffered
sta thathed sentence. I obtain- life by any member of the bar, or any attorney, and if
ed et and eblis myself in business Mr. Joyce did not conduct himself with all proper re•
in the colony. Until this sentence I have been epee', he or Mrs jeyce must leave the court.
in the habit of visiting England, and then return- A warm discussion ensued upon this subject, and order
ing to my business in the colony. I know the having been restored,
firep yearsisoner S I
knew him peward, and have known
oto him about t
first y. went John Lungridge was then called to speak to the
.Previous my sentence general arrangernents of the institution, but as be was
of transportation, and in my occasional visits to this unable to describe what they were iu 1855, he ens
country since that I have seen Seward. I know the ordered to retire'.
prisoner Anderson, ar.d first beeline acquainted with h
in June last. I arrived last in this country on 25th Mey, Henry Linstead said he was employed about four seas
1856, and took lodgings with my uncle in Nelsee-sq Bona ago at the institution, which was generally open
nate, Bla from November until May, "according to the incle-
elariare-rold. A few days after my arrival, I mot taency of the season." Polisford's flour came in en
Seward in Saffolkenreee, in the Borough. The cruel Christmae.eve, and witness was in the habit of using at
salutation at meeting took place, and he asked to thicken the souse. Beer was given to the poor on
mm, to
had not called upen him. I te'd Christmas-day, 1855. He saw one or two plates of
him, to the best of my recollection, that '' I never fancy biscuits on the platform table. On some occasions
intend to call on you, from the manner you have treated poor persons would come and represent they were in a
rne and another person:: the replied, " Nonsense, old
destitute state, and their family toe ill to bring out;
b"5" d you will advance a little money, I will put the and he had seen Mrs. Barber an many occasions give
'message-money back into your pocket, and pay up ell such applicants rice, arrowroot, and biscuits to take
arrears." I held his 10 U. We agreed to meet toga- away with them. With regard to the suet, some was
ther the following day in Farringdonenarket, when he left which turned bad, in consequence of the change in
said he would introduce me to his party. I went there, . the atmosphere, There was not more flour with it than
and was introduced by Sewerd to And, non one Atwell nii4lit be sprinkled over the surface. He notices tiett
for the first time. I,Ve ail went to thnCoach and Hoines, suet smelt bad, and asked Mrs. Barber if the servants
Farringdon-niarket, and from thence to various places ; . might have it as a perquieite, and she said the might.
and arrangements were made for other meetings. I re- Mr. Sleigh cross-examined this witness and while
collect going to a public-house Guildferd-Itreet, doin, se said he had just been informed that there was
eet
Southwark, known as the n heef-heuse," which Dame.' most' indecent telegraphic work g .ing bdeits;reaenceftut.7.,
anise from one of the party having had some :beef ; defendant and the witness,
there. Ihi ought over to this country with me a I Mr. Harley said this
,proceeding was
2001,
bill of exelarge, drawn on. Kinnaird ; and eve Mr. Barber had suffered so severely thatiae was ale,
in consequence of these attacks upon
some blank lams wiqi sueli as are used in the dying ye-terday, coiimy. I had mils') some seconds and th.rde of genuine him.
bills, the firsts Lavine ;wen paid. I gave the origieal At this point of the proaeding3Mr Barber fainted
bili and souse of the teaults to Seward, and algid 60111 e of away, and was carried out of coui tin a most canvnlpive

instance arose from Saward's want of funds, and at
Saward's request .I advanced 1051. for Atwell to employ
Mr. Turner. I recollect being in Red Lion-square one
day, when Atwell was to call at Mr. Turner's to receive
the money. Saward, Anderson, and Atwell were there.
Atwell pointed out to me Mr. Turner as he passed.
Atwell followed Mr. Turner, and came out with a
cheque for the amount less the expenses. Saward
had the note, and after that it was presented
for payment, and my money returned to me. There
was a treaty with Saward and another man
specting some blank cheques of Messrs. Gosling. They
were given to Saward by the man in Lincoln's-inn-
fields. They were all filled up, and I saw them in Sa-
ward's possession. On Saturday, 28th June, I was in
the neighbourhood of Messrs. Gosling's bank, and in
consequence of a communication made to me by Atwell
I went into the bank, and I saw a young man present a
cheque, purporting to be signed by Mr. Turner, for
4101. 7s. 4d. I saw him paid and leave the bank.
Whilst I remained there after the young man was
gone I saw the clerks compare the signature of
the cheque that had been paid with some
other. It was arranged where we should all meet after,
but somehow or other I missed them, and did not
keep my appointment. I know Mr. and Mrs. Dixon,
who lives in a passage in Union-street, Borough. Mrs.
Dixon is a cousin of mine, and in consequence of my
wife not liking Seward it had been arranged that he
should leave messages and notes for me there. Haying
missed the appointment I went to Dixon's, and as I
was leaving Seward met me, and told me it•was all
right ; we then went to a c'ffee shop in the London-
road, where I found Anderson, Atwell, and the wan
who stole the checks were waiting. The money was
produced, and I bought the notes, by the persuasion of
Saward. I gave 351. for each 501. note, and the money
was then equally divided. I and Atwell went to Ham-
burg and changed the notes. After that I became
possessed of a cheque on Messrs. Hankey, signed by
Baldwin. I showed it to Saward, who said he could
fit it, meaning he had some blank cheques. I
left the original cheque in his possession till the follow-
ing day, when his son brought it back to me i❑ an en-
velope; afterwards a meeting was arrange], Silvestrd
having informed us the cheques were prepared. It
was to come off on a Saturday. I am at a loss where we
met, but I think it was at the usual house, the
Magpie in Bishopsgate. We first met in Bishopsgate•
churchyard. I saw two cheques presented at Messrs.
Hankey's and paid. After they were paid I returned to
the Horse-shoe and Magpie. Saward and Anderson
were waiting there. I think I purchased two of
the notes. I ehanged four on that day at
Spillman's. Two of them were my, own,
and two I had from the produce of the forgeries on
Messrs. Hankey. After that I and Atwell went to
Yarmouth. The object was to get signatures for for-
gery. (rhe witness then detailed the whole of his pro-
ceedings at Yarmouth in similar terms to Atwell, and
corroborated him in ali the facts connected with it.) •
Saward put several questions to the witness, but of
ao interest or bearing on the case.
John Clements deposed that he lived at Kenton,
near Exeter, and was now out of a situation. In June
last he came to London to look for a situation: He went
to many places in the City, asking for employment, and
amongst others that of Mr. Townend's, hatter, Cheat
side. I there saw Hardwicke. He followed me out
and asked me some questions, and I gave him my
address, Haddington-street, York-road, Lambeth. A
day or two after I received a letter, and in conse-
quence of that I went to Mr. Colis, 3, Beechamn-
♦illas, Buckingbam-road, De Beauvoir-town, Kingsland,
and then I saw Anderson ; the letter was signed in the
name of Riley. On my asking for him I showed him the
note, and he said "This is concerning rey situation." He
Reid "Youhave been living with Mr. Fortescue. "Is he a
clergyman residing in Devonshire. I replied "No, hut he
has a brother a clergyman." He then said he was an agent
for an Australian shipping company, and he wanted
some one to assist bim and look after offices. He had
hjen looking for offices in the City, but having bean
only a short time from abroad he had not met
with any to suit him. I was to call on the fol-
lowing day, Saturday, and see him again. I did
so. He was out, and I waited till he returned. He
engaged me the day before at 255. per week, and to
live rent free in the offices. On Saturday the first thing
I had to do was to go to the City and get change of a
201. note and bring two 103. adhesive stamps. After
chat he. told me he should not want me till half-past
12 o'clock, and be sent me to the Lord Raglan►
public-house where I got some refreshments. When I
went to his house he was not in. After waiting a few mi-
nutes he came in and walked into as inner room. He
then came to me, and gave me a bill of exchange for
1,0001., which laas to get cashed. I was to bring him
rive 100/. notes, eight in 501. notes, and 1001. in gold.
I rode to the City, and I think Atwell rode by my side,
but I can's swear to him. At the banking house I was
detained

The prisoner declined asking the witnesses any quei•
ion 4, and they were further remanded till this day
meek.

THE SAMARITAN INSTITUrIoN.