The Sun.
London, England, 1857-03-13 00:00:00

SUPPLY.

Mr. FITZROY brought up the report of supply
granted yesterday.—Agreed to.

THE CRIMEAN COMMISSIONERS.

On the, motion for the house going into committee of
supply,
Mr. PA LK moved the following amendment t

"That Sir John APNeill and Colonel Tnlloch ably ful-
filled the duty entrusted to them of inquiring into the
Arrangement and management of the Commissariat De-
partment; that the evidence in their report proves that, in
the months of December, 1854, and January, 1855, the
sufferings of the army must have been intense, and
that great mortality was occasioned by overwork and ex-
posure, and want of food and clothing ; that the examina-
tions into this statement by the Board of General Officers
materially support the conclusions arrived at by the Com-
missioners as to the want of organisation in the Quarter-
master General's, Commissariat, And Transport Services;
that it appears to this house that, from •the report of the
board, this inefficiency must be attributed to the imper-
fect arrangement or conduct of those departments."

He said time flew rapidly, and events succeeded event
in quick succession, but he thought they would all re-
member that it was not many months ago that, in com-
mon with the inhabitants of London, they assembled to
welcome back to the shores of their native land the
Guards of London. He was sure that all who saw them
were struck by the broraed and martial appearance of
those men who had gathered fresh laurels in every en:
counter in which they had been engaged. The people of
London welcomed back the Guards with loud cheers, and
the people of London that day were a prototype of the
English nation at large. The English nation was not
naturally a warlike nation; it delighted more in the arts
of peace and the enterprises of commerce ; but go where
they would, into the manufacturing cities or into
the agricultural counties, they would find one universal
feeling pervading the country, and that was respect and
regard for the army. They welcomed the Guards back,
but in welcoming them there was one thing which marred
the brilliant aspect of that day. While they welcomed
the return of the Guards the thought would rise un-
hidden but unchecked, how many they had left be.
hind them, not on the bloody field of war, but by the
neglect of their country, by the destitution and
the misery which the inefficiency of our establishments
had occasioned. It was at the beginning of the year 1854
that accounts first reached this country which convwsed
it from one end of the kingdom to the other, that told
of disasters greater than any that had yet been entered
by British troops. So great was the outcry that the Times
newspaper assumed the executive of England, and by its
wide circulation and by the means at its disposal, raised
a large sum of money which it instantly sent to the relief
of the sufferers. The country was roused, Parliament was
called together ; and the member for Sheffield, in spite •f
all the arguments of the Government, carried in this house
a committee to inquire into the state of the British army
in the East. The result of that committee was known to
them all, and it was not his intention to take up their time
in adverting to it, but the argument of greater force used
against the committee was that it was unfair for a commit-
tee at home to judge of the acts and proceedings of those
abroad. In consequence of that the Governmentappointed
a commission of their own, and sent out to the Crimea Sir
J. M‘lereill and Colonel Tulloch to inquire into the state
of the British army. Col. Tulloch and Sir J. M`Neill
personally examined the quartermaster and the surgeon
of every corps, and they reported that the sufferings of
the army had been intense, that the departmental ar-
rangements in the Crimea had contributed in no incon-
siderable degree to the suffering of the troops, and they
pointed out that the system hitherto relied upon had
failed. They stated that the mortality on all previous
occasions sank into comparative insignificance, and by a
return which had been made it was proved that the state-
ments of the newspapers, which bad been over and over
again contradicted in that house, were true. The Crimean
commissioners also came to conclusions precisely the
same as those which bad been stated in the newspapers.
When the British army landed in the Crimea they did
so without their knapsacks. That, he was informed, was
not an unusual course, and, under careful supervision,
no great harm arose ; but in this case it appeared that
the most common precautions which one would have
thought would have been taken were unfortunately
omitted. The knapsacks were sent, some to Varna, some
to Gallipoli ; they were scattered all over the sea, and
the soldiers did not receive them for many month s, some
of them did not get them at all. Again, the knaysacks
on this occasion did not contain the usual amount of ne-
cessaries carried by the soldiers. A great nuns' er of
them were left in the squat bags at Scutari, an I he
firmly believed that was the; origin of the distress and
misery which ensued. The soldiers commenced a Fl ege
without change of clothing, without the means of cle: en-
liness, without a second pair of shoes, and they we re
rapidly reduced to a state of wretchedness which w,as
sufficient to cause great mortality even if there we:re
no fault to be found with the supplies of the army.
The result was that in the course of a few months
the army which had received the adieus of the Queen,
and which it was the proud boast of the Minister of
the day bad been sent out equipped with every re
cessary, became a disciplined horde of starved and
wretched individuals, prone to disease, -suffering from
want,froaa positive starvation, from cold and wretchedness.
After carefully examining the report he came to the con
elusion that there was warm clothing upon the spot, an d
that the reason why it was not issued to the troops vsa
still wholly unexplained. Col. Wethera!l admitted '.here
were 12,000 great coats in store in his departmeut, and

that only 2,376 of them were given nut, the gallant gene-
ral's acclni,t of the matter being that "it was never con-
templated to give soldiers m re than one great coat,
eTecially at a time when additi nal warm clothing was
daily expected." That appeared to him to be a very
singular - reason; and if those great coats had all been
issued there was no doubt they would have saved the
life of many a poor wretch who perishetl, not of starva-
tion, but of col 1 and exposure. (Hear.) Another point
which still remained unexplained was the issue of green
coffee to the troops ; and he trusted, for the sake of the
man who gave the order, that his name would never
transpire. (Hear.) Sit J. McNeill and Cel. Tulloch attri-
Ibuted the great mortality and distress of the army in the
Crimea to departmental inefficiency. The Board of Gene-
ral Officers, on the other band, attributed it mainly to
the want of forage for the mules and horses of the com-
missariat department. But in any cave the fault must
lie somewhere. Requisitions for fodder had been made
by Mr. Ftl ler over and over again to the proper autho-
rities at home ; and he (Mr. Palk) perfectly agreed with
the Board of Officers that Mr. Filder bad a very tangible
ex !use. Sir C. Trevelyati, reasoning for himself, and be-
lieving that he was a better judge in England than Mr.
Fader was in the Crimea, had failed to send to the com-
missary-general those supplies, on which, by the verdict
of the board at Chelsea, the efficacy of the army depended.
The commissioners took a different view of the matter. If
hay and chopped straw were difficult to procure in the
Crimea, barley to any extent might have been obtained at
Constantinople ; and upon barley the baggage animals
might have been supported for menthe. Ho vrever generally
free from blame Mr. Filder might have been, there had
been a want of ingenuity and contrivance on his part ;
and he (Mr. Palk) must give it as his reluctant opinion
that, making every allowance for the difficulties of Mr.
Filler's position, that gentleman had failed in those great
exertions which the exigences of the case and the neces-
sities of the British army demanded at his hands. (Rear.)
He trusted tl,at what be (the hen, member) had said had
sufficiently proved the necessity there was fora thorough
revision of our military system. If he bad the honour of
a seat in the next Parliament, he should be able to prove
it by evidence which had lately been published, that
the system of officering the British army WWI not ade-
quate to the wants of the present day, and that in
order to secure greater efficiency, the house must insist
upon a regular and complete education for the military
life. (Rear, hear.) If that were done, he thought that
without in the least impairing the high character and
gentlemanly bearing of the British officer, a very great
improvement might be effected ; but that could never be
attained while the army was regarded as a mere pleasant
pastime for a few years. (Hear.) The manner in which
the Crimean commissioners had been treated was aot
the least painful part of the affair. Colonel Tulloch
was asked at Che'sea whether the report of his colleague
and himself had received the approval of the Govern.
ment I Col. Tulloch thereupon wrote to Mr. Peel, de-
siring to be furnished with a letter to that effect. And
what was the hon. gentleman's reply I Mr. Peel said
that Lord Panmure did not think it desirable to depart
from the course which had up to that time been pur-
sued, namely, that the Judge-Advocate should be the
medium of c immunication between the War-office and
the board ; that all* the - documents in the War-office
were at Col. Tulloch's disposal, but that there was no
formal approbation of his report in existence ; and that,
finally, Cot. Tulloch might very legitimately refer to a
speech of Lord Palmerston, which would be found in the
140th volume of Hansard, page 156. A most correct
letter. It delicately insinuated that Col. Tulloch had
been gui'ty.of a breazh of routine ; but it gave him the
information he required. The house had heard a good
deal of late about routine and red tape. He (Mr. Palk)
did not know much about the meaning of the phra-v,
but surely that letter was a good specimen of the thing.
Since the Chelsea inquiry, a banquet had been given to
the Secretary for War by his enthusiastic admirers, at
some place in Scotland ; and the noble lord in a post
prandial speech, made some remarks laudatory of Sir 3.
A still more gracious mark of the approbation
of her Majesty's Government bad more recently been
offered to the commissioners—namely, the very munifi-
cent and magnificent sum of 1,0001. each, which, how-
ever, for some reason they had considered it their duty
not to accept. Ile(Mr. Palk) thought the Government
were bound to have accepted or to have controverted the
report. If they regarded it as unfounded, they ought
not to have laid it on the table ; but being on the table,
and the noble viscount having expressed his approba-
tion of the document, it was a cruel injustice to summon
a Board of General Officers, not to controvert the re-
port, but to enable certain officers to make a statement,
in which they were cautioned not to criminate themselves
—a statement by which they Wight remove from their
shoulders all the blame that might attach to them and
by inference place it upon those of the Crimean commis-
sioners. The hon. gentleman concluded by moving the
resolution.

11.1 r. BLACK was very reluctant to trespass upon the
house, but if he remained silent he should not be acting
handsomely towards Sir J. M'Neill, whom he was proud
to cad his friend, or towards his constituente, who took a
very deep interest in this question. He had lately had
the honour of presenting three petitions, praying that
some reward should be conferred upon the Crimean
Commissioners—one of them from the Lord Provost and
magistrates of Edinburgh in council assembled; another
from private merchants of the city ; and the third,
numerously signed by persons of all classes and poli-
tical
parties. The Commissioners had done their
work wed. They sat 55 days and examined more than
200 witnesses, and they did not desist till they were com-
pelled by ill health. They took the evidence in the fair-
est
possible ma' ner ; they sent a copy to each witness to
be revise i ; and in only two cases was the evidence with-
out the signature of the witness. The report of the com-
missioners was a valuable record of the errors and de-
fects of cur military system ; and if the martial prowess
of men who had defeated the armies of our foes was held
worthy of the highest honours, what reward did they not
deserve whose labours and suggestions might on some
future occasion save the lives of thousands of our coun-
trymen ? Sir J. well said that if the Govern-
ment had wanted the inquiry to be a sham, they should
have selected other instruments. But when their report
was laid on the table it was thought necessary that certain
officers highly connected should be screened The board of
general officers did its work to admiration ; they found no-
body was to blame for the miseries which our brave soldiers
had ensured. The board did not treat the commissioners
so tenderly, but they made statements which by in-
ference irneugned their conduct. (Hear.) It was sai
that Sir J. lkl'Ne.ll and Cul. Tulloch had done no more
than their duty ; but had Lard Luca:), Lord Cardigan,
Gen. Airey, or C, 1. Gordon, done more? (Hear, hear.)
He (Mr. B ack) hoped that the noble lord would even
now bestow upon the Crimean com mis-ioners some fitting
reward for their great services. (Cneers.)
Viscount PALMERSTON—In reference to an impres-
sion which might be produced by the speech of my hon.
friend, I have to state that there is not the slightest ground
for asserting there was any intention on the part of the
Government that the investigation of these two commis-
sioners should be a sham. (Hear.) There is nothing in
the manner in which they were appointed, their investi-
gation was conducted, and their report received and acted
upon, which can afford the slightest ground for such a con-
clusion. (Hear, hear.) The commissioners were selected
on account of their knowledge and fitness for the task ;
they performed that task with great credit to themselves
and advantage to the country ; and her Majesty's Govern-
ment have, in my opinion, fully expressed their sense of
their merit. (Hear.) With regard to the speech of the hon.
gentleman opposite, I must say it appeared to me to be a
complete anachronism. (Cheers.) It might have been a
speech very much to the point two years ago, when the suf-
ferings of the army were such as he described ; when her
Majesty's Government, stimulated lay the impulse given them
by this house, were anxious to give a remedy for those
sufferings; and when, in point of fact, an appropriate re-
medy was applied. But really, at this time of day, when
the war has been brought to a close, when peace has been
restored, and when a year has since elapse], to go back to
what was the state of things in December, 1834, does seem
to me to be not the most useful application of the time of
this house. (Cheers.) My first answer to the hon. gentle-
man is, that the sufferings of the army had ceased nearly
twelve mouths before it left the Crimea, and that whereas
during the first winter it was in a state of great misery and
destitution, it was afterwards placed in a condition which
excited the envy and admiration of our allies, and which
was infinitely better than that of the French or Russian
army. In fact, the condition of our troops in the Crimea
could in no respect be surpassed by that of an equal num-
ber of men in any part of the world, even at home. (Loud
cheers.) The speech of the hon. gentleman was, therefore,
only a recital of calamities which are past and gone, and
which were remedied in every respect to which the speech
related. (Hear, hear.) It is quite true that the sufferings
of our troops were great. It is true that their knapsacks
were left on board when they landed just before the battle
of the Alma ; and it is also true that for some reason or
other they did not reach them again until two or three
months afterwards. At the same time I should state that
that is by no means an unexampled state of things. Why,
it was only the other day that I was conversing with an hon.
and gallant friend with reference to thoeoCivatepritsehcpealemorsrpseactithglyne_ytactrnudde.
campaign
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nobody knew anything about, and that there was forage at
Constantinople, while the baggage animals were dying for
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local confusion created by the pressure
; but arose entirely from the
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anxious services which had to be performed by men who
had not been accustomed to its details beforehand. )
It was not from want olbearangement at home—it
ample stores
because the war department did not send ou
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of all kinds to supply the wants of the'arme ; but from
owing partly to the rapid movements a the arnryi'ru
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England to Turkey, and from Turke t,9
ye dittehreent depart-
partly to the necessary separation of th it was not
useute, and partly to various other causes. owing
circunistauces, there was at first pothers was e
a want of
plying the army with fresh meat;ran,ement ftoortshuopse-
those baking arrangements which would
army with fresh bread ; the hospitals have
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large
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doubt that tho commissioners did their dut.y exceedingly
well, but when did they go out? They went out late, and
they did not return till July, before which tipenottheedsugges-
Jobiseseinonasnsotnictiopauttetdo
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am berme say. without any disparagement of Sir John
Iti`Neillanu Col. Tulloch, that the medical comaitol?,
con-
sisting of Dr. Gavin, Dr. Sutherland, and Mr. w inson„
conferred greater aa vantages on the army than it
w
sible for Sir John Melsreill and Col. Tulloch to accomapslros;
because they took the medical arrangements of the hc:t
tals and the camp into immediate consideration, and :111
gested improvements of considerable importance. Therf:
lore, without any disparagement of them, I am bound to
say that Dr. Sutherland, Dr. Gavin (who unfortunate]
died in the Crimea), and Mr. liawlinson, the engineer, who
was wounded in an action into which he had ventured, did'
in my opinion render far snore important services to the
public and the army than it was in the power of Sir John
M'lsTeill and Col. Tulloch to confer. But it is said that it
was a great injustice to them to appoint the board of gene-
ral officers. That board was not appointed to revise their
report. What were the circumstances which led to their
appointment? Certain officers of rank, grant if you will
both social and military,'but officers whose reputation was
dear to him, had left the Crimea before Sir J. M'Neill and
Cul. Tulloch began their inquiries, whom, therefore,' they
could not examine upon the spot, but with regard to whose
conduct certain statements had been made to them, and
included either directly or indirectly in their report; and
when that report came out these officers, jealous of their
reputation, asked for an opportunity of giving that expla-
nation of their conduct which, not having been iu the
Crimea at the time, it was impossible they could have
given to the commissioners. That did not pass in secret
or without public discussion. It was in this house that
we were called upon to • appoint some authority to whom
these officers 'should make their statement. It was felt
that it was not decorous that they should be writing let-
ters to newspaper s in answer to the report of the Cri-
mean commissioners, or making statements in Parlia-
ment. It was felt that the only course just towards them
would be to appoint some beards of military officers, com-
petent to b 3 judges of the matter, to receive their-state-
, resents, and hear what they had to say in exoneration of
that part of their conduct which they considered impugned
by the report It was not appointing a board of officers to
sic in judgment on the Crimean Commission; 'on the con-
trary, it was an act of simple justice to those officers ; and
when it was done, it appeared to me that both Houses of
Parliament sanctioned the arrangement proposed. There-
fore I submit that the motion is not one which ought to
be acceded to by the house at the present time. The first
part of it records facts which nobody disputes—the suffer-
ings of the army at the time to which it refers. The latter
part consists of censures upon certain officers belonging to
some portion of the staff. I think it would be ungenerous
at this time of day to go back and censure their conduct,
after that conduct has been subjected to investigation,
when the matters have passed away and gone into the do-
main of history. The hon. gentleman has expressed a hope
that arrangements would be made for the better instruction
of officers of the army, and that young men should not go
into the army intending to pass twe or three years as a
pleasurable occupation, bat that officers should ponsider
themilitary life the business of their lives, and should de-
vote themselves entirely to the duties of their profession.
That is the case in foreign services; it is not the case in
ours ; and I venture to think that it never will be so. (Hear.
What is the state of things in foreign countries ? They have
large standing armies, which are kept up in times of peace;
men who enter know that they will be in the army as long as
their health and strength last ; they know that it is to be
their profession for life, and they devote all their attention
to it. In England we pursue a different system. We have
in time of peace a very small army ; in time of war we are
obliged to increase it, and increase it rapidly. Officers who
enter the army in time of war must expect that a great many
of them will have their services dispensed with. A great dif-
ference, too, arises from this—that our service isevoluntary.
The services of the continent are compulsory ; and voluntary
service has in itself a voluntary spirit which pervades the
whole being of the mau. It may have its inconveniences—
no doubt it has ; but it has ou the contrary advantages the
loss of which would be dearly purchased by the adoption
of the continental system. Therefore, whatever arrange-
ments the Government may make—and I trust they will
be able to make them—for imparting to military officers
more professional instruction than they have hitherto, per-
haps, had the means or the inducement to acquire—yet,
(42end upon sits that system which the hon. gentleman
vKisßes- Wire prevail—that nobody should go into the army
bull *these *who- wish to make it the study, business, and
profession ortneeir life—that system cannot be adopted in
this country. It is not consistent with the nature of our
inetitutiene with our national character and habits ; we
must take advantage of those who go into the army whether
that mean to remain a long or a short time. We cannot be
a military nation, but depend upon it we are a fighting
nation. (Cheers.) Those men, as the hon. gentleman says,
who go into the army in time of peace for the pleasure of
wearing a fine coat, or obtaining amusement for a short
time, when the war comes, you find them just as distin-
guished for bravery in the field—for their endurance of
fatigue, for their submission to ell the hardships of the
military life, as the first men of any continental army,
who have been drilled, tutored, lectured, and worked up
into something more like the abstract notion of a soldier.
(Cheers.) These men, when placed at the head of troops
in battle, or charged with the defence of a place, were not
superior to ours, whatever might be the differences exist-
ing between them in point of technical instruction or some
of the details of their services. (Hear, hear.) I should
hope that the hon. member, having satisfied his mind by
making that honourable mention which he has made of the
commissioners, in which I entirely concur, and having ex-
pressed his regret for the sufferings of the army in the
early part of the Crimean war, though he forgot to men-
tion the great improvements in the latter period, I hope
he sat down without saying what he meant to say--(a
laugh)—l hope that the hon. member will not press his mo-
tion to a division, but let us now go into committee on the
war estimates. (Hear.) _ _ _

Sir J. FITZGERA.Lb considered that the appointment
of Sir John Ill`Neill and Colonel Tulloch to inquire into
the con luct of subordinates, such as the commissary_
general, was in fact a con•:ure upon the commanding officer,
who was naturally answerable for the conduct of those
below him.

General PEEL said he could not agree in what hal fallen
from the noble lord. He was aware of the ridicule to
which he should subject himself if he attempted to offer
any professional opinion on what had taken place in the
Crimea, and df the difficulty under which he laboured in
speaking of those events in the presence of so many officers
who had witnessed them ; but they might rely on it that
the military profession was just as subject to the rules of
common sense as any other. He saw no reason why the
hon. gentleman who bat brought forward this motion,
and other members of the house, should not be able to
judge of the matters in question as well as military men.
He had served on the board of general officers con'rary to
his own wish, for he saw from the first that it would do no
good. He had arrived at a strong opinion that the cala-
mities in the Crimea arose from circumstances which it
was not in the power of any individual to avert. Lord
Panmure had expressed the same opinion. But unfortu-
nately it was always the practice to try and fix responsi-
bility upon individuals so as to throw the blame upon
them. He was convinced that Admiral Boxer, Captain
Christie, and Lord Raglan, had all fallen victims to sense-
less clamour, founded on the authority of anonymous cor-
responlents. (Hear.) Instead of attacking individuals,
he would remodel the system. He did not for a moment
underrate the hardships which the army had endured from
the middle of November, 1654, to the end of January,
1855. It was impossible to do that, or to exaggerate ttie
patience and heroism with which they had been sus-
tained. (Hear, hear.) But admitting these hardships,
he still believed that nobody was responsible for them. No
doubt the commissioner, ha I done their duty most con-
scientiously, but the extent of their services had been some-
what ever-rated. An address had been presented to them
from Liverpool, ascribing to their exertions/ the preserva-
tion of the army from impending failure and disgrace. He
must say that the army was never in danger of that.
( Hear.) What were the facts? The commissioners did
not arrive in the Climes. till the 13th !starch, and from that
time forward the army was in as good a state as it possibly
could be. But it was not in their power by their instruc-
tions to do anything more than to inquire and report. The
only suggestion they had made was about additional bread
in t'ie rations and quinine. They were sent out without
thei ntention to blame anybody, and they ought to have
confined themselves to a statement of the facts. Had that
statement been accompanied bythe expression of an opinion
such as Lord Panmure had conic to, that the calamities in
the Crimea arose from circumstances which nobody could
control, there would have been no necessity for the board of
general officers. He was actuated by no personal feeling
towards any one. He had near relations is the Crimea,
but they were all regimental officers. He was only anxious
to do justice to everybody concerned. (Hear.)
Mr. S. HERBERT said this subject was one of a very
painful character, and he regretted that the question had
been reopened. All must feel, after having passed through
those Crimean campaigns, that it was desirable to draw a
veil of oblivion over everything which would appear to
imply blame or censure. No doubt when an army took
the field after a long peace there must be great inexperience,
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naefoacrr
wttar
etonederkm.alcllypoentltdi
conscientiously,
was
shtoo
qieootyurui
st
ley;rue that the changes made were
made before the arrival of Sir J. M.'Neill and C.l. T 11 h
for they were made in the autumn of 1851, when the land
transport was divided from the Commissariat he railway
was laid down, and other alterati.'ons took place.: It was a
service of great difficulty
mdiuoustsbdenatydneasistitgeldletahattetthheey pa ide
r
df
eo
lr
im
cae
cd
y,thaend he thought it
with
whetherithsfoumlneess officerss
painful and invi-
dious ability.
was to blame—but whether these two men
(Hear.) The question was ninotwere or
were not to blame—whether the board of general officers
who were sent
out to the Crimea to mske inquiries executed their trust
faithfully andably,country
manner
Crown bad marked in a proper and unmistakeable .
) That was the
the services which they Perf°llned. ( r..
genaonle friend speak
question. He heard with regr©t hricsieee. until, and the
No, no.) Ile
and whether the .
the
somewhat disparagingly of
it bad no higher credit
understood his noble friend
port was valuable and actede i p 9
d upon
officers who had been sent
to ssaney,etehat, although their re.
than the reports of the
tin
to that view. The report of the
out. He could not aesen t
a tta ed
overwork.i c a 1
valuable mine of information on
5 a most
dfi fdreoanmne e ,
commissioners was
would be based. But was that the only
wo_
placed confidence, ecs.oin that not.
which many charges
man, on whose ''suffering from privation d
was one cause whieh, more than any other,
troops
l only were the
service
and that was the scurvy, which arose from
led to disease,
feeding .
on salt meat arid hard biscuit. (Hear.)
too long
too long feeding ou salt meat and hard biscuit the
From which
e?
became affected by scurvy, and however great the
gums ..
va-
rieties of disease which afterwards manifested themselves,
they were the result iu the commencement of that one dis-
ease—scurvy. He understood, though of course he teal ma
knowledge of it himself, that it was a peculiarity of every
commissariat that they issued salt meat as long us they
could, and for this reason, that the trouble was only in is-
suing it, and not in oollectiug it. But Sir J. M. 4
.IS' eill took
tenders to Mr. Filder for the issue of fresh meat prat bread,
and though great obstacles hart been interposed, he suc-
cee led in establishing bakeries, by which the troops were
supplied with bread two or three times a-week. (Hear.)
This proved of great advantage to the men. He said, there.
fore, that besides the report, these were most important
services which were rendered by the commissioners. The
report of the commissioners was a narration of facts; they

.....
mencemont of the. financial year. He would not then enter to herSMajesty the sum of 21,049,7001. be raisedby Exches
brought charges against no man except in a casual sen-
If they brought any charges
fence against a medical man. into further details, but move that the number of men to quer kills.
INCOME-TAX BILL.
theymould only be derived by reasoning from a statement be raised for the year commencing the let of April should.
of fact& (Hear, hear.) They performed a service of great not exceed 126,796, exclusive of the men employed iv. the On the motion for the third reading of this bil,
Tb e CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, in refer-
worth and difficulty with great ability ; and having said East Indies. , . ,
nce to a case referred to on a previous evening bj the hon.
that, he asked the house whether it was not fitting that ! Mr. A. STAFFORD did not intend to enter into anev at 5- .fe
they should express some opinion in recognition of the ear- , suasion of the arrangements propossd by the Goyernment, member for Southwark, for the purpose of sheaths. the ex-
et., train° pressure of the income tax upon persons of small in-
onies and the harshness with which the commissioners
vices rendered by the commissioners. (Hear, bear.) What 1 but rose merely for the purpose of expressing his deep _ - .
he should like to see, if the hon. gentleman who movedconies,
out the law, said that he had made inquiry and as
eret that no attention had as yet been paid to the recom-
the resolutions concurred, was this : that he should with- e
mendations of the select committee on the medical depart- , those meritorious functionaries had a delicate, lifficult,
draw all the resolutions except the first, and add thereto
the last two lines of the resolution of the hon. member for ment of the army, although the noble lord at the head of sndhaototdhethsaemheo timewnooutmanveetryrepfoopaeulator dhueatyr
tthoerr
afxoprnsia,..
Liverpool. The resolution would then run thus : " That the Government, when he came into office, had promised
, blia6lt•ionP. The riguhsethon.. gentleman here read a written
Sir John M`Neill and Colonel Tulloch ably fulfilled the that this matter should engage his attention. The com-
1 statement, from which it appeared that on Feb. 4a Mrsl
duty entrusted to them, of inquiring into the arrangement
mittee had recommended that the department should be as 1 l ;with attended the office of the commissioners sad com
and management of the Commissariat department ; and
that considering the high testimony in their favour by her at resent under a single individual, and not under a board I r damned that a levy had been made upon her goods for 1/. ls.
p
Majesty's Government, an humble address be presented to as suggested. No praise could be toe great or eulogy too e,
role. bi yn heroraltatedihsutrsebsaanadnfdorgioncitloemoentaahhxofenair
psatya:tedThe thatoot!.
her Majesty, praying that some special mark of approbi- warm for all that the noble lord had done to promote the
r missiongers directed that the be immediately
withdrawn, and to avoid delay they sent the order to the
tion be conferred on them." (Hear, hear.) He confessed comfort of the army, and therefore it was the more to be
he had a strong feeling on the subject. It was not easy to
regretted that he should neglect the claims of the medical surveyor by Mrs. Smith herself, giving her Is. to pay her
get persons to make reports like this of the commissioners,
which affected persons of great rank and position ; and if officers. The state of suspense in which they now were VAS 1 expenses. The order was delivered, and on Feb. 4 the levy
you expect to get men who will make such reports, you most unsatisfactory. All they asked was, that the Govern-
i was withdrawn. Subsequently it appeared the broker had
most be ready to uphold and appreciate their services. ment should give them a decided answer as to whether or
kept the levy in longer than was necessary for his ownpros
(Hear, hear.) Looking to the position of these two men, not they intended to do anything. The Government ought fit, and directions had been given to inquire into his con-
it appeared to him that they ha I not got justice at our not to have assented to the appointment of the committee dnot. The woman also complained that she had been put to
hands. (Hear, hear.) They were not there to judge of unless they intended to do something. It was not fair to the s erne expense for the keep of the man in possession, and that
the racers or of the board of commissioners at Chelsea, soldier that his life and health should beentrusted to men al to would be inquired into. After this statement he (the
hut to say whether these two gentlemen, who had en- whose position was such as not to offer any inducement to Ch almoner of the Exchequer) thought the house would be
trusted to them duties of a difficult and invidious nature, the most promising youngmen of the profession to embrace of . opinion that no unnecessary severity had been exercised
had faithfully and ably discharged those duties; and if it. The attraction offered by the East India Company and tow ards this poor widow. (Hear.)
so, whether the country ought not to give them some mark the great steam-packet companies must take away all the Si rG. PECHELL was glad the right hon. gentleman
first-class men from the army. He trusted that the hon. had lei yen this explanation.
of approbateee? (Hear, hear.)
Sir J. PAKINGTON said he was sure this question was gentleman the Secretary of War would, either in committee The, bill was read a third time and passed.
one which interested the house, and deeply interested the or on bringing up the report, state what the intentions of The, Ecclesiastical Jurisdiction Bill was read a third
country. (Hear.) At a moment of great anxiety these two the Government were with regard to the army medical time :teid passed.
gentlemen were sent to conduct an inquiry of great diffi- department. The 'Customs Duties Bill, as amended, was considered,
culty, and no persons bad ever been sent to conduct such Sir DE L. EVANS, as a military man, begged to offer and or dared to be read a third time this day.
an inquiry who performed the duty with greater honour his thanks to the hon. member for the pains ho had taken The svendemnity Bill was read a third time and passed.
and honesty than these two gentlemen. His hon. and in connection with this subject. There was no department The ehtpyhold and Inclosure Commissioners, &c., Bill
gallant friend said it was no part of the duty of the board whose services were more arduous or difficult, and he did was react a third time and passed.
of general officers to inquire into the conduct of Sir John hope that in the new Parliament at least some satisfactory The o: ceder for going into committee on the Municipal
M'Neill and Col. Tulloch, although they invited them to explanation of the intentions of the Government would be Corporations Act Amendment Bill was discharged.
be present during the inquiry. In taking that course the given, as the efficiency of an army before the enemy de- The Racehorse Duty Act Amendment • Bill passed
Board acted with perfect fairness ; but he thought Sir J. pended very much on the state of the medical department. through cc'm mittee.
M'Neill came to a wise decision in not appearing before There was another departmontthat required the grave and The Pan per Maintenance Bill passed through committee.
the Board. Col. Tulloch, actuated by an honourable feel- serious consideration of the Government, viz., the commis- The Cinq:tte Ports Act Amendment Bill passed through
nog, took a different course ; but he thought he wouldhave sariat. It had been in a most unsatisfactory state before committee.
better consulted his own dignity if he had followed the ex- the late war, and he much regretted to hear that the THE INCOME TAX.
ample of Sir J. M`Neill. The question now before the establishment had now been reduced even lower than it Mr. MUN TZ, who had a notice on the paper to move
house was whether the services of these men had or had was then. A member of the force, Mr. Pomery, had lately resolutions to amend the mode of assessing the property
not been recognised in the manner they deserved to be. Ho published a book on the subject, and he stated it would and income tax, said he thought, at that time of the night
had heard there was some understanding when these gen- not be in a satisfactory state until it was made a military and in the present state of Parliament, he should best con-
tlemen went out to the Crimea that some militery honour s instead of a civil department, with the exception of the suit the feeling of the house by saying he should not now
woul Ibe conferred on them. The noble lord shook his accounting department. Such was the case in India; and bring forward his motion; but if he happened to have a
' head, from which he inferred that that was a mistake. He in the Crimea, with the consent of Lord Raglan, he had seat in the next Parliament he should certainly bring it
did not mean to say that the noble lord was unwilling to attached three or four military officers to the commissariat forward.
do justice to these gentlemen ; but he must say that their of his division. He had derived the greatest advantage The house then adjourned at five minutes to 11 o'clock.
services had not been acknowledged with the promptness, from their services; but of course when the army came
er the generosity, or to the extent with which they ought before the enemy they returned to their regiments. A
to be. He heard with regret the answer of the noble lord military land transport corps could not possibly work well
to the hon. member for Liverpool, because when he saw in connet le n with a purely civil commissariat. With re-
that question on the paper he considered the hon. member gard to the position of the officers to whom the hon. gentle-
had good reason for putting it there, and he therefore ex- man opposite (Sir J. Fergrue in) had drawn attention, he
pected the answer would be different. He joined his right thought their case deserved every consideration. With re-
hon. friend (Mr. S. Herbert) in asking his right hon. friend gard to the number of men proposed, he considered it was
behind him to accede to the suggestion of his right hon. the dutyof the Government to fix it on their responsibility;
friend with regard to the altering of his resolutions. He and notwithstanding it, had been said that the inefficiency
believed it would answer all the purposes in view, whilst of the army at the commencement of the war was the fault
it would be inconsistent with the forms of the house to of the House of Commons, he could not remember a case
move the amendment of the hon. member for Livernool as where they had cat down the number proposed by the
an amendment on the resolutions of his hon. friend, they Government. He was satisfied with the number of
being themselves an amendment. men now proposed but ho was not sure that the
Mr. J. E WART said he certainly expected the noble lord amount to be expended for such a number was equally
would have given a different answer than he did tohisques- justifiable. The number was about the same in 1813-54,
tion. These two officers discharged a painful and an arduous but the amount was much larger. He feared that a proper
duty, and did so in a manner which justified the confidence economy was not exercised in all departments; there was
reposed in them by the Government. He could not, there- a large increase i a the charge for the staff.
fore, but express his deep regret that no proper mark of re- Sir J. FERGUSSON expressed his regret that the Go-
cognition had been bestowed on these officers. There was vernment were not prepared to carry out the recommends-
a strong feeling in the country on the subject, and the tion of the committee of last year, that there should be a
country would not be satisfied till some recognition was second assistant-surgeon appointed to each regiment.
given of the valuable services which these gentlemen ran- Col. NORTH bad also been a member of the committee,
dered to it. He was quite willing to adopt the suggestion and hoped that, at all events, in bringing up the report of
which had been made, as it expressed the wish he felt on supply, some explanation would be given of the intentions
the subject. of the Government.
Mr. PALK said he should also consent to the proposed Mr. F. PEEL said the only explanation he could give
alteration. was that the state of themedical department still continued
The amendment was then withdrawn, and the resolution to occupy the attention of the Government. There had been
put in the form suggested by Mr. S. Herbert. a large increase in the number of medical officers, and it
No member having risen, there were loud calls for a di- was intended to appoint a second assistant-surgeon to each
vision' when regiment; the charge for the department had increased
Lord PALMERSTON rose and said—l was in hopes we nearly 40,0001. over what it was some years back. It was
should have a more distinct expression of the opinion of true that the charge for a given number of men this year
the house on the proposition of my hon. friend, but if lam was higher than it had been in former years, but the dife
to infer from the calls for a division that the house is in Terence was owing to the increase in the number of officers
favour of the motion—(loud cries of "Hear, hear"')—l cer. and nonsceminissioned officers. In 1854 the right hon.
tainly should not wish to stand between the house and the gentleman the member for Wiltshire (Mr. S. Herbert),
accomplishment of its desire, which I believe is prompted when Secretary at War, increased the number of companies
by generous feelings and the interest of the public service. in each regiment from 10 to 12; he stated at the time it
(Hear, hear.) Nobody appreciates more highly than I do was intended to be a permanent addition, and the Govern-
the services of the gentlemen to whom this motion relates. ment did not intend to make any change. Two additional
(Hear, hear.) I thought we had offered to them a more battalions of infantry had also been raised during the war
natural and appropriate acknowledgment of those services, —one of the 60th Rifles, and another of the Rifle Brigade;
but if the house is of a different opinion, I certainly shall these two measures had much increased the number of re-
offer no objection to the accomplishment of its wishes. gimental officers, and consequently the expense.
The motion was then agreed to. The vote was then agreed to.
PROMOTION OF NON-COMMISSIONED On the vote of 1,467,0001. for pay and allowances for the
OFFICERS. land forces,
Sir J. FERGUSSON begged to call the attention of the Sir DE L. EVANS said the item under the head of staff
house to the present position of non-commissioned officers appeared to him unnecessarily large. He thought no gone-
who had been promoted to commissions in the army dur- ral officer ought to require more than one aide-de-camp on
ing the war. Not long ago a great cry had been raised home service.
for promotions in the army, in which the consideration of Mr. PEEL said the increase in the general staff arose
merit was to enter more largely than had hitherto been from the distribution of the regiments in this country in
the case, and in deference to that cry promotions from divisions and brigades.
the ranks to be officers were allowed. At first there was Mr. J MACGREGOR thought the Government ought
groat difficulty in getting non-commissioned officers to to take into their serious consideration the case of officers
accept commissions, because it obliged thorn to leave a wbo bad been promoted from being non-commissioned
sphere of life in which they had spent many years and en- officers. He knew distinguished non-commissioned officers
ter upon another which entailed expense without adequate who had refused to accept higher rank on alcount of the
means to meet that expense. He knew ono case in which pecuniary difficulties in which it would involve them.
eight non-commissioned officers refused the offer of a coin- The vote was then agreed to ;as was also one of 184,0001.
mission. That reluctance, however, wore away during the for the miscellaneous charges of the land forces at home
war, when promotion, in consequence of the numerous and abroad.
casualties which occurred, was more rapid, and the men On the vote of 14,0007, for the volunteer corps in Great
had larger allowances. But in a time of peace those men Britain,
who accepted commissions were in a worse position than Sir J. PAKINGTON said this vote afforded him an op-
the non-commissioned officers, because they had to meet portunity of snaking an appeal to the Government with
young men who entered the army with private means. regard to the yeomanry cavalry, whose efficiency was, it
The consequence was that they maintained a great struggle appeared, to be impaired by their not being assembled for
to keep up their position in the service. The whole cost, duty during the present year. This economy with regard
of a non-commissioned officer of the line was 6s. 6d., and to the yeomanry cavalry had nothing te do with the in-
his pay was 14s. 7d. a week, so that he had :over Bs. to creased expenditure, the small expense required having
spend on his family. When he received an ensign's corn- been cheerfully defrayed for many years, and the corps
mission, his pay was 1/. 15s. per week, from which at least having been called out every year, in greater or less num-
4s. a day was deducted for mess expenses, which left him bars, ever since the year 1815. The whole expense in
only 7s. to provide himself with clothes, shoes, a servant, former years was only 88,0001., and 28,0001. being the
and the subscriptions he was obliged to make to the regi- amount now asked for, the saving to the country would be
monk He was also exposed to greater expense than he only 60,0001. This saving was effected by the omission of
could afford when the regiment was ordered to the code- two items, 22,000/. for clothing, and 40,000/. for perma-
ni s, and the consequence was that many sold out rather nent duty. He put it to the Government whether it was
than go to the expense of taking their families with them worth while, in older to effect so small a saving, to risk
abroad. It was true that the illustrious personage who impairing the efficiency of a force which had so often ron-
now presided at the Horse Guards did what ho could to de, ed aid to the cis il power.
ameliorate their position by making them adjutants or Lord PALMERSTON could assure theright hon. baronet
quartermasters of militia regiments. If they sold out. they (Sir J. Pakington) opposite, that if he had been with him
got 450/., that being the price of an ensign's commission • and his colleagues when they were settling the estimates for
but 4501. only brought an interest of 18/7 a year; whereas the year, he would not have spoken of 60,000/. as an in-
the pension of a non-commissioned officer was 2s. 6d. a considerable sum. The Government had been obliged more
day, or nearly 50/. a year. What be submitted was, that than once to go over those estimates, in order to keep them
non-commissioned officers should not be promoted for acts.
Pone many things which it would perhaps have been better
for within due bounds. Hence they Lad been obliged to post-
of mere gallantry performed in the heat of the moment '
at once to have been taken in hand and attended to. Hon.
tinguished services, something in the nature of ago'-os**
,1 members were however quite mistakenif they thought that
service pension, which need not amount to more than 507. the Government undervalued the great importance of
lb year should accompany the promotion. He thought, that maintaining intact the yeomanry system. He consi-
a man who had been offered and accepted a commission dered that system an important element in the organi-
should be enabled to maintain himself and his family in his sation °lathe national defences. In the event of any un-
new position. He was not for an unnecessary army ex- expected and urgent call requiring the immediate absence
of the regular army from this country, the ylemenry would
penditure in time of peace, but the way to lessen that ex-
perform a great portion of their duty. Hence, if ho slid
peaditure was not by cutting clown the rewards of those not propose to call oxt the yeomanry during the present,
men who were struggling hard to maintain their position. year, it was not from his undervaluing their services, but
THE ARMY ESTIMATES. because the Government desired to save in every possible
The house having gone into committee of supply, item the national purse.
Mr. F. PEEL said that in proceeding with the motion The vets was then agreed to, as was also the vote of
on the army estimates, it was not his intention, as the 62,0007 on account, for the departments of Secretary of
committee was aware, to invite them to agree to the whole
State for War and the General Commanding-in-Chief.
of the estimates which they assumed would be required to
On the vote of 125,0001., on account, for manufacturing
carry on the service of the army through the ensuing departments and military tores,
financial year. Considering the circumstances i
the Government and the house were placed he proposed t.o
wehd i Mr. SPOONEIt called the attention of the committee to
with regard to the fact that public money had been expended in erecting
follow the course which had been adopted
the navy estimates, and to ask only for so much money as machinery which was to have enabled the Government to
effect a great saving by dispensing with manual labour.
would meet the payments which would fall clue in the He had been informed, however, that in fact the Govern-
course of the next tour months • and as the major part of went had been bribing workmen to leave their employers
each vote would have to be submitted' to the new Parlia-
ment, and as even the moue voted by the offer of higher wages, such workmen perfor ruing
to be re-voted, as he understood, he thought on account would have the very operations which it was alleged were to be done
consult the convenience of membersl . ho would best by machinery. He also complained that in some cases
present e
clef a hesi e abstainedoccasion
with
eg a fromrd.to armswhiohh
theadbeen entering into details on the
Governmentfurnishe furnished
had
dy
refused manufacturersto
ay forto Government,
according
te
the various items and services comprised in these votes.
With regard to the vote for the numberh the agreement which they had made. p
because
oofthmeen he would Mr. PEEL said that it had been necessary to hire work-
have to adopt a different course,
might numberl3o was
the same, whatever amount, of money men for a time, while the machinery to which the hon.
and he would therefore take the vote for the entireranted
sa year: member had referred was being set up. He thought that
The number he proposed to ask tho committee to the hon. member was not accurately informed with regard
was, 126,796 ; the number voted last year was 24n6e7tilT to the manner in which Government had hired workmen.
showing a reduction in the number of 119,921, or, in re' un i With regard to tl e arms to which allusion had been made,
numbers, 120,000. This reduction was male up by roans- the Government found upon inspection that they were not
tion3 in all the various services which composed the land in accordance with the specification.
furies. In the case of the Guards and infantry, the re- After some further conversation the vote was agreed to.
du,tion would be 78,510; the number last year was following votes were then passed i-
-31, Zi. forf clothing and Thell
162,573, this year it would be 81,063. The reduction was 1443071. for wages of artificers, &c.
dfonraegcees,s&aroi.ers.
effected by the diminution of the number of rank and
199,000/. foro war stores for land and sea service. Upon
file in each regiment, last year the regiments in the
Crimea hail 2,000 rank and file, the other regiments at this vote
home or in the colonies, exclusive of those in India,
of Mr.oid andCHAMBERS asked for an account of the sales
1,200. It was proposed that every regiment, exclusivestores, observing that it had been
of those in India, should he reduced to a uniform estab- stated that superfluousany articles had been disposed of as old stores
lisle intent of 840 rank and file. The cavalry would be which were useful, and some even so sold bad been fur-
redaced from 16,820 to 9,325, making a reduction of 7,491. nish ed again under new contracts
This was made up by reducing thenurnbcr of troops in each Mr. PEEL said that an account* was given up to the end
tre,g3ortz The artillery
eight to six, and the rank and file from 640 of last year. There would he no difficulty in furnishing the
he artillery and en ;insets would be
reduced from account, but it was most unlikely that any portion of these
28,221 tee 21124, In the Military. Train and Hospital old stores had been re-supplied to the Government under
Corps there would be a reduction of 8,191. The remain-
der new contracts.
eahponfetodtitlbraendduecdtion was made up by 21,790 of the foreign 89,000. for fortifications.
tee might be curious in the course of last year. The commit- 23-1,0001. civil buildings and barracks.
to know whether there
the course of the
of 120 000 It was Past year a real reduction tobad been in 76,00)1. for educational and scientific branches
' * Was not the the extent 9,000/. for rewards for military services. '
effective men hal been case that such a number of
Co i discharged. 31,000/. for pay of general officers.
Trans ot p 1%. k,Orpe ana the arged. In the case of the Land 190 000/ for ofreduced and of retired
, . pay
actual reduction of 30 Foreign Legion, there was an 63,000/ for pensions to widows of officers and compass
accounted for. The eaumbrueen, leavine about 90,000 to be '*
r vet ' Renate allowance.
cav dry, and infantry, We. 173,000, e.l last year for Guarde, 111
but there was never fenny a not incleding officers•
n effective force , 11, • • Oeo/. for in-pensioners. I
strength. The army was largest in A equal to that 393,000/ for out-pensioners,and
.
time the number in these three services
last, but at that 47,0001. for en ' allowances.
or it bout 40,000 below the estimate ;which' as only 129,857, The house then')
resumed,
n n u a teat:grind
the
umed,
.resolutions were ordered
of 4',000 to be accounted for. Fr, in _ left a reduction t April last obe reported to-morrow (this day).
Feb. in this yes r, 20,0P0 rank and file ban e .
to Ist of THE SP '
90• , been disch e EAKER—MESSAGE FROM THE CROWN.
leas ing only a balance of . ,me over e•h000 areed,
Viscount PAT M
the effective force to the strength propose Ito e to bring house e ERSTON—I have to acquaint the
the next year. Daring the war two regiment be for usethath their address of Tuesday, the 10th March last,
had been brought from India and sent back at s•e cavalry Prayingto confer
her Majesty "that she will be most graciously pleased
Lion ; that accounts for 1,360 ; he anticipated thatirla- Right
lion. Charles
war k of her royal favour upon she
es. Shaw Leferre, Speaker of this house,
the Ist Feb. to the commeaceinent of the financial yie'r. for his great and ernitrient services performed to his country
about 10 ar 12,000 men would be :Neches ged from the lards; `luring the kin
either because unfit fur service, or aul.'ious to leave, and with such distf and unpor , ant period in which he hue
then there would reinein only 9,090 effective men over ilie the chair of resistnel.selV ability and integrity presided in
end to as-uro her Majesty that what-
number propoaed to bee voted for next year. With regale] 7er expense her Majesty'
to these men, the co he Ito take teas this—he -Pen that
account,
shall think proper to be incurred
curse propose.
had received, a rot has been 1 " count, this house will makegood
in, 1833 urn showing that for the ten years end- been , aid before her M • the
same,"
ajesty, that her Majesty has
0 TSB: 3, when the strength of 121 512, the Is Pleased to receive death, the same graciously, and has corn-
dische .s. aryl desertion vets aent the
12,;.00 men, or rather over te ancomplianc i Withquthol -e house that her Majesty, in
1 1110 per month.ff, there-
fore, they were to '
reduce the army at once to the some signal Right Hon• Charles Shaw Lefevre
actual strength proposed mark of her royal favour*
have immediately toto be voted they would tbe gra t d
commence
recruiting, to meet no n e and secured ;but as the same can-
Parliament, her Majeoprec without the concurrence of
the monthly 1, se; recruiting e was a very expensive mode
, moire to enable her tog' ommends the House of C
of supplying flint deficiency,„eve compliance to their wish ones 1 The energetic prosecution
as every recruit had to be I s• esuch measures of the War with China
pro, keel with a kit besides receiving the i paseine - is
foe d, thereore, for thepresent to suspend (Loud cheersar the course obviously diet tted. by Humanity not
peed recruiting until '
, that tho house resolve itself into a comm.) t I beg to net y ) less
the e 9,0a0 men wore absorbed ; the resultn would he thatcommittee of the whole than by Prudepce.
in :gout six or nine months the strewth house to-morrow to consider her Majesty's
cae.'hy, and infantry would be reducedn:4th of the Guards, saee, —Agreed to. gracious is mss- , Fifteen or twenty
trinity voted. The••to the number cc- ' . . artillery :old engineers w I OTAYS AND MEANS. I thousand men, properly di-
rectpd
ere, on the let , would at once biting
of Feb., about 2,000 above the strength, On the motion of Mr. WILSON, the house resolved - the conflict to a con-
ed, hut would be reduced thet euosiese prhlozd to he vet i itself into a committee of ways and means, an passed ellueion.
tee come resolution thet towards making good the supply
granted au 0 .
pp fung, for example, that is to say

THEATRE ROYAL, DRURY LA NE.—
Lessee, Mr. E. T. Smith.
Acting M9.nager, Mr. C. Mathews. Stage Manager, Mr. R
Roxby. Scenic Artist, Mr. W. Beverley.
Last Six NigUfa of the present Season.
The eminent Comedian, Mr. Charles Mathews, every evening,

ROYAL OLYMPIC THEATRE.
Lessee, Mr. Alfred Wigan.
THIS EVENING, (a new farce, called THIEVES !
THIEVES ! ! Messrs. F. Robson, G. Vining, dm.
The new drama, by Tom Taylor, Esq., 1 SHEEP IN
WOLF'S CLOTHING.
Followed by the new farce, by Bayle Bernard, Esq.,
called A SPLENDID INVESTMENT.
And A CONJUGAL LESSON. Lullaby, Mr. F. Robson.
Commence at half-past Seven.

ASTLETS ROYAL AMPHITHEATRE.
Lessee and Manager, Mr. W. Cooke.
This Evening, with its manifold romantic equestrian
effects, invented by Mr. Wm. Cooke, the operatic drama of
ROE ROY, with the original music, the last week of its
performance. Rob Roy, Mr. James Holloway.
After which, the Equestrian EVOLUTIONS in the
ARENA.

To conclude with the equestrian barlequinade called PAUL
PRY ON HORSEBACK.

Commetee at seven o'clock. Dross Boxes, 4s. ; Upper
'loxes, 3s. - Private Boxes, from It., no charge for booking ;
Pit, 2s. ; dallery, Is. ; Upper Gallery, 6d.
tiox•office open from Eleven till Four. Stage Manager,
Mr. W. West. Equestrian Director, Mr. W. Cooke, jun.

CANTERBII RY HALL, Westminster-road.—
OPEN EVERY EVENING.—The follow-
ing company of Vocalists are engaged for the performance of
Selections from all the popular Operas, Madrigals, Choruses,
Glees, Ducts, &c., : Miss E. Pearce, Mrs. J. Caulfield,
Miss Brunell, Miss Summers, and Madame Marietta; Mr. J.
Caulfield, Herr F. Jonghmans, R. Grover, T. Farrant, S.
Jones, J. Barker, W. Melling, P. Cent Senor Antonio M.
de Sella, and E. L. Hime ; Masters Austin, Bennett, and
Corri ; Messrs. Sam Collins, E. Maekney, and C. J. Wilkins.
Pianoforte, Mr. Cecil Hicks; harmonium, J. Caulfield, jun.;
Erector, Mr. J. Caulfield. Commence at Seven o'clock pre.
Rely. Suppers, &c., until twelve o'clock.

man WATER AT LONDON BRIDGE.
'HIS DAY—Morn. 37 min. aft. 3—Evening 51 min. aft. 3
'n-Moitnow—Morn. 6 rain. aft. 4—Evening 20 min.aft. 4

THE WEATIIER—SUN OFFICE, Daiwa 13.
THERMOMETER, IN THE SHAM.
47 --highest since noon yesterday.
40 --lowest this morning 9nd during the night.
4Ti —this day at noon.
RenombTEß, 29'70—falling.
WIND, S.W.—Fresh, with dull weather.

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