The Sun.
London, England, 1857-06-26 00:00:00

OATHS BILL.

was that part of the oath which affirmed that the taker
would not commit treason retained in the Roman Catho-
lic's oath, and not in that taken by Protestants ? It was
an insult to the Roman Catholic members. Why bad not
the noble lord in bringing in such a measure framed an
oath which would be applicable to all classes of the com-
munity. (Time, time.) He should oppose the third read-
ing of the bill.
Mr. BO WYER on rising was met with great confusion
—(cries of " Oh, oh," "Time, time"). He was not going
to argue the question. (Laughter.) He was aware the
house was impatient to divide. (Hear.) But he must
state his reasons for voting against the bill. (Oh.) He
had always supported civil and religious liberty, but as
the present measure did not contain that principle, he
was bound to vote against it, The Roman Catholics
were now called upon to say that the oath imposed on
them in 1829 was a just one. He was not prepared to
do so. He should therefore oppose the bill. The bill
made no change in the oath taken by Roman Catholics,
which was absurd, nugatory, a mockery, and profana-
tion, and he could not vote for a measure the effect of
which was to reimpose that oath on the Roman Catho-
lics. (Time, time.) How could any Catholic be a party
in imposing an oath which denied the supremacy of the
Holy See ? (Divide.)
Mr. DEASY could not vote for the third reading of
the bill. He regretted it because of the strong feelings
which were entertained by toe Liberal party in that
ho.use. The measure for the first time created an invi-
dious distinction between the Roman Catholic subjects
of her Majesty and those who belonged to other sects,
but though he could not vote for it he would not adopt
the course taken by the hon. members opposite and vote
against it. He shohld not, therefore, record his vote on
the present occasion.
The house then divided, when the numbers were—
Fur the third reading 291
Against it l6B
Majority • —123
The bill was then read a third time and passed.
THE ORDER OF VALOUR.

On the motion for the third reading of this bill,
The Marquis of BLA.NDFORD moved that the bill
be read a third time this day six months. He objected
to the bill on the grounds that the proposed oath would
relieve Roman Catholics from that part of the present
oath which bound them, not to impair the Church of
England as by law established ; and that it differed
from any previous bill that had been brought in
by her Majesty's Government. The maintenance of
Christianity was an essential element in this country,
and the noble marquis historically reviewed the oaths
required to be taken from an early period in support of
that Christian element ; and be doubted if the noble lord
was acting constitutionally in altering the oath of supre-
macy, which was the great security for the maintenance of
the Protestant religion in the succession to t`,e throne.
The noble marquis at same length entered into most of
the arguments already used in the former debates on this
bill, and in reference to the clauses that bad been added
to the bill allowing Jews to hold certain offices, &c., his
lordship said that their addition was a condemnation of
the bill by the noble lord (Lord Palmerston) himself.
The Protestant religion had carried this country through
many great trials, and had been a great check upon the
despotism of the Crown, and he should be sorry to see
anything done that would tend to injure it in the least.
His lordship concluded by moving the third reading of
the bill this day six months.

On the motion for the house going into committee of
supply,

Admiral WALCOTT called attention to the omission
of the navy from the programme of to-day (Friday), for
the distribution of the Order Gl' Valour. The same conr-
a;e animated the blue jackets as the red jackets in the
late war, and he feared that the red jackets would to-
morrow (this day) be disappointed at the other's absence.
The 70 Greenwich pensioners ought not to be present,
because they did not represent the participators in the
late war. He thought the absence of the blue jackets was
to be deplored, and he believed it was an oversight that
would cause much pain and concern amongst the service.
He understood that at the last hour 100 sailors bad been
sent for from Porrsmoutb.

Sir C. WOOD said that there was greater difficulty in
collecting a large body of sailors than soldiers for such
an occas on. There would, in addition to the recipients,
be a number of Greenwich pensioners and boys of the
Greenwich school present.
Sir C. NAPIER was glad to find there was to be a
sprinkling of sailors present in Hyde-park. He asked the
Lords of the Admiralty if they had discontinued the gra-
tuity for good conduct usually granted to petty officers
on being paid off ?
Sir C. WOOD said the gratuity was withheld because
petty officers now received in lieu of it higher rank
than their proper grade, and the additional pay belong.
ing to it, for good conduct.
Sir W. CODRINGTON regretted there was not to
be a better repres.mtation of the navy (today) in Hyde-
park. He bore testimony to the great identification of
feeling that existed in the late war between the army and
navy. He regretted also the absence of many of the
regiments or their representatives that were in the late
war, and instanced the absence of one regiment cow at
Aldershott which lost eight officers at Inkerman, the
19th ; the 97th, that headed the storming parties at the
Redan ; the 88th, that were at Aldersbott, and the 3d
Grenadier Guards, now at Windsor, that went through
the whtle of the campaign. If they could not all attend,
the medical men and class men of each regiment should
have been ordered there as their representatives.
Admiral DUNCO :VIBE regretted that the navy would
not be properly represented.

.
Col. FRENCH referred to the 79th Highlanders being
F elected to be present on Friday (this day), while the
Connaught Rangers, who were through the late war, and
were disabled in killed and casualties 476, %bile the 79th
only number about 50, were to be absent. He could
only devise one excuse for the selection of the Highland-
ers, and that was probably t!se contrast of their dress.
Mr. B. OSBORNE expressed his regret at the jea.
lowies that Existed whenever a national review took
place. It was impossible to have a large body of the
navy in London without causing much inconvenience to
the manning of the navy in harbour, besides the diffi-
culty there would be in lodging them on shore for one or
two nights. He thought the navy would be satisfied
with the arrangements that had been made. The 79th
Highlanders were selected, not on account of their dress,
but because they had been under orders for some days
for Dublin, and that was taken advantage of to have
them in attendance in Hyde-park on Friday. ,A body of
100 sailors had been ordered up from Portsmouth.
Mr. HENLEY ridiculed the idea of the commissariat
being unable to provide for a body of sailors in London,
and regretted there was not to be a larger gathering of
the navy on the occasion, especially-as they acted so cor-
dially with the army in the late war.
The subject then dropped.
ESTIMATES.

Mr. W. WILLIAMS complained of the mode adopted
of bringing up reports on supply at an hour when it was
impossible to discuss them, especially after the promise
made by the noble lord that an opportunity would be
given to hon. members on bringing up the report to dis-
cuss many sums that were allowed to stand over. On
Tuesday the report, which had reference to 57 votes, was
brought up at 1 o'clock, when it was impossible to keep
a house at so late an hour to discuss them.

Lord PALMERSTON defended the course as being
in accordance with the rules of the house.
THE METROPOLITAN WORKHOUSES.

Lord ILLYNIIAINI moved for the appointment of a se-
lect committee to inqu;re into the management of the
metropolitan workhouses.
Mr. NICOLL seconded the motion.

Mr. BOUVERIE objected to the motion, as there was
no ground for it, the workhouses that were the wont
being now in course of reform.
Mr. P. MARTIN denied that St. Pancras workhouse

was at all reformed. It was as bad as bad could be, and
he adduced several instances of inhumanity that had
come within his own observation.

Mr. DRUMMOND insisted that the poor were
neglected wlenev,:r they were left to the care of the
middle classes. He censured Mr. Bouverie for not taking
steps to correct abuses which he admitted he had power
to remedy.
Alderman COPELAND urged the noble lord not to
press his motion this session, though he knew well the
state of the poor required attention. His own experience
in the city of London was, that poverty was treated as a
crime.

Sir J. PAKINGTON also pressed upon the noble
lord the propriety of postponing his motion for the pre-
sent session.

Lord 11.A.YNIIAM said that if the right hon. gentle-
man at the head of the Poor-law Board woul I give him
a pledge that the Poor-law Board would institute a
searching inquiry he would withdraw his motion.

The house then divided—
For the motion
Against it
Majority against the committee... —2l
The house then went into committee of supply.
The first two votes of 11,504/. for the superintendence
of prisons, and 476,376/. for convict establishments were
agreed to after a short discussion.
152,502/. for maintenance of prisons and county gaols.
259, 405/. for reformatory establishment in the colonies.
These two votes were-agreed to.
On the vote of 361,2331. for education in Great Britain,
Mr. HADFIELD complained of the growing amount
of the vote, which had trebled within a few years, and
was likely to reach a million more before long, if some
check was not put. All the attempts at national educa-
tion hitherto being bad, he proposed to move that the
proposed vote of 361,2331., for public education in Great
Britain (in addition to 180,0001. already voted, and
making altogether 541,2331.), for the year ending 31st
March, 1853, be postponed for consideration, and be the
lest on the estimates for civil services. It was a reasona-
ble proposit on, and one to which the house ought to'agree.
Mr. FITZROY said that the hon, member might pro-
pose to negative the vote, but not to postpone it.
Mr. COWPER made a statement of the progress of
education in this country. He reminded the house that
educational efforts in England had always originated in
religious zeal. It was so in Roman Catholic times ; it
was so at the time of the Reformation. The educational
efforts of the present day had also had their origin in
the zeal of the Dissenters and the Evangelical party in
the Church. Under these circumstances Government
felt that their function was to supplement and aid
in the meantime at least the efforts of those bodies.
They did so by erants of money and by the appointment
of inspectors. The increase iu the number of schools
had of late been very great. Three years ago there were
about 4,700 schools liable to inspection—this year there
were 7,500 schools so liable. The normei and training
schools for teachers had ales) greatly increased-32 had
been established within the last ten years by voluntary
subscription, a fact which filled the friends of edueetion
on the Continent with astonishment. He defended the
system of pupil teethers, and said that he believed
there were very few children, except among the most
degraded classes, who had not been for some period or
other of their lives at school—the real diftcultY was
that they stayed for such a abort time. After advert.
ing to various plans for remedying this evil, and ex-
pressing his disapprobation of any compulsory system,
he concluded by expressing his firm cenvietion
that the cause of education Was steadily progress-
ing, and that the seed was sown on a fertile soil.
SirJ. PA KINGTON did not mean to discuss the quer.
tiou at length, as Lord Paltnerston had promised him a
day for its full discussion. But he could not refrain
trom saying that the annual increase of this educational
vote was becoming serious, and required the immediate
attention of the house. lie complained that much of
the progress described by Mr. Cowper was fallacious ;
that the schools were in a wretched condition, and the
education given, of the worst .quality; and to this he
attributed the unwillingness of parents to keep ther chit.
dren at school where they were learning nothing useful.
After some remarks from Mr. A woes and Mr.EWART,
Mr. HENLEY defended the conduct of the parents
in not continuing children at tchoole, where, according
to the reports of the inspectors, the children could learn
nothing. He hoped the Government would withhold
the grants from schools that were so badly conducted.
He did not object to the amount of the grant, nor to the
mode of its distribution.

the system, and moved that the sum be reduced by
9,0201., which was the amount at which the vote stood
last year.
Mr. AYRTON moved that the Chairman report pro-
gress, which the Chairman put, and decided that the
amendment was negatived without a division.
On the question being put,
Mr. HADFIELD moved that the Chairman do leave
the chair. He would not divide upon that question, but
be did complain of the injustice which had been perpe-
trated by the former decision.
The motion baying been negatived,
Mr. DILLWYN moved that the Chairman report
progres., and ask leave to sit again.
This motion was negatived without a division.
The CHAIRMAN then put the question for the ori-
ginal grant, with Lord Melgund's amendment for re-
duction.

The committee divided, and the numbers were—
For the amendment 7
Against it
Majority --166
The amendment was therefore lest.
The vote was then agreed to, and the CHAIRMAN
reported progress, and obtained leave to sit again.
SAVINGS BANKS (No. 2) BILL.
On the postponement of the house going into com-
mittee on this bill to Thurday next,
Mr. CHEETHAM urged the withdrawal of the bill
in consequence of the opposition to it by the trustees of
savings banks'.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he
should take the sense of the house on the bill on Thurs-
day next.
REFORMATORY SCHOOLS BILL.

This bill passed through committee pro forma for inser-
tion of amendments, and the bill was ordered to be
reprinted.
CONSOLIDATED FUND (8,000,000/.) BILL.
This bill passed through committee without alteration.
HAWLEY BOROUGH INCORPORATION BILL.
This bill passed through committee.
INCLOSURE ACTS AMENDMENT BILL.

This bill passed through committee, after the insertion
of a new clause, on the motion of Mr. MASSEY, pro-
viding for the exchange of lands in which her Majesty is
interested in rever.ion ; and other clauses on the motion
of Mr. B. CARTER.
CHARITABLE -USES BILL.

This bill was read a third time and passed.
DIVORCE AND MATRIMONIAL CAUSES BILL
This bill was read a first time, en the motion of Sir G
GREY.

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73

Mr. H. DRUMMOND seconded the motion, and, in
doing so, said that the bill had been urged on two
grounds, deference to the opinions of the citizens of
London, and personal respect for Baron Rothschild.
Ho (Mr. Drummond) paid no deference to the opinion
of the City of London, because their determination in
returning Baron Rothschild was an intentional in-
sult to that house and Christianity. (Laughter.)
He had a personal respect for Baron Roths-
child, but he regretted that he could not support
the bill on the ground of personalty. He did
not object to the bill on the ground that it
would unchristianise that house, because it had been
already unchlistianised. The hon. gentleman made
some remarks about the difference of opinion on reli-
Eion between members of the Church of England and
the Bench of Bishops, remarking that St. Paul's
Cathedral was empty, yet the bishops approved
of the use of unconsecrated concert rooms,
and afterwards went into the country, and quar-
relled about consecrating burial-grounds. (" Hear,
hear," and laughter.)
The O'DONOGHUE opposed the third reading of
the bill, not because he objected so much to the ad-
mission of the Jews to Parliament, as he did that the
bill did not give equal rights to the Roman Catholics.
Mr. E. BALL on rising was met with cries of "time.
time." He was understood to say that having had to
bear reproach and sneering during his life en account of
his opinions, Le had therefore acquired sympathy for
those who held opinions different from his own'. He
objected that the existing oath was not binding on the
conscience of the Jews, Now, as 'they owed very much
to the Jews—(a laugb)—an oath ought to be framed
which should be as obligatory on them as on ourselves.
They had affinities with the Jews—(time)---and he had
no fear that their admission to the Legislature would
nn-Christianise the house. If it were possible to un-
Christianise the house it bad been done already. After
admitting them to administer the laws, there was no
oonsistency in refusing them a share in making those
laws. (Time.) He believed he was doing right in giving
his support to the noble lord in bringing in the bill, and
be would support him till it was carried.
Mr. DILL WYN supported the bill on the principle
that religious opinion should no longer be a disqualifica-
tion for a seat in that house. He did not believe it was a
measure to meet h particular case, but a protest against
the intolerance he had mentioned. He objected, hos-
ever, to the clauses which had been introduced since
the introduction into that house, as being entirely an-
tagonistic to what he understood to be the principle of
the bill. There was no relativeness between the exclu-
sion IA the Jews and the Roman Catholics from cer-
tain offices in the State. The first was exeludel on
account of religion ; the second because he acknow-
ledged a higher earthly potentate than the Sove-
reign. (Time, and cries of " Divide.") Much as he re-
gretted the introduction of the clauses to which he had
alluded, he still did not think that a reason sefficient for
voting ag
Most the third reading of the bill. (Time,
time, divide.)
Mr. COLLINS, h
the hon. members supportedforavCinogrkan
d s Stamford
mthe o
rdamendmentsb ol
double
reason for being dissatisfied with the bill as
f w
stood.
Lie objected to the exemption of the words it‘
on ° the true
faith of a Christian," as getting rid of the Christian cha-
racter of the Louse. Why had the noble lord retained a
separate oath for the Roman Catholic 1 Though it might
have been necessary before 1829, it was not necessary
now. On some of the clauses of that oath no legal inter-
retatiere could be p4.7%tirae, and ocmlusion)—wby

After a lengthened discussion,
Lord bIELGUND expressed his disapprobation of

THE SUN, .LONDON, FRIDAY EVENING, JUNE 26_ 1857

~PORTING IN TE LUGEiV CE.

NEWCASTLE-UPON-TYNE RACES.--WEDNESDAY.
Particulars.)
Free Handicap of Zi cove each, 3 ft, pith 50 added. The
second to receive 20 89173 out of the stakes. W inners
ex ra. Three quarters of a mile. 23 cubs.
Mr. J. Scott's Imperieuse, 3 yrs, sst llib (Challoner) 1
Mr. Thompson's Minnie, 3 yrs, 4st 121b...(W. Little) 2
Mr. W. H. Brooks's Manganese, 4 yrs, 7et 101 b
(Bearpark) 3
The following also ran :—Codrington, Plausible,
Breeze, La Vtctime, Sneeze, Matilda, :led Attorney
General. ,
Betting-5 to 2 each agst Imperieuao and Breeze, 4
to 1 agst Sneeze, 6 to 1 each agst Manganese, La Vic-
tune, Matilda, and Attorney General. Won cleverly
by half a length, a head between the second and third;
good fourth. La Vieth:tie was fifth, the Attorney Gene-
ral sixth, and Matilda seventh. Sneeze, Breeze, and
Plausible were the last three.
The Grand Stand Stakes of 5 sovs each, with 50 added ;
for two and three-year-olds. Two-year-olds, Get 12ib ;
three, Bst 121 b. Allowances and penalties. The
second to save his stake. T.Y.C. 17 subs.
Mr. Jackson's Saunterer, 3 yrs, 9st 21b (f. Osborne) 2
Mr. Gray's Meta, 2 yrs, Get 10Ib (Charlton) 2
Mr. J. Osborne's Intercidona, 2 yrs, Get 91b
(Challoner) 3
The following. also ran :—Medallion, Bradley, and
'Lady Dot.
Betting-5 to 2on Saunterer, 7to 2 agst Meta. Won
in a canter by two lengths ; half a mite between the se-
cond and third ; same distance between the third and
fourth ; bad fifth ; Lady Dat was beaten off.
The Northumberland Plate of 200 sovs each, added to a
Handicap Sweepstakes of 15 sees each, 10 ft, and 5
only if declared, &c, The second to receive 50 sovs
out of the stakes, and the third to save his stake. A
winner of a handicap subsequent to the declaration of
the weights of 200 sovs or upwards, bib extra ; of two
of that value, 91b extra ; the winner of the Derby or
Oaks, 91b extra. Two miles. 60 subs, 30 of whom
declared.
Nr. G. Forster's Underhand, 3 yrs Est llb ...(Plumb) 1
Lord Zetland's Skirmisher, 3 yrs, 6-t 10. b (Charlton) 2
Mr. W. Robinson's El Hakim, 3 yrs, Set (W. Little) 3
Mr. Jackson's Mongrel, 3 yrs, Get 6th (Challoner) 4
Mr. Lister's Pantomime, aged, 7st 121 b (Snowden) 5
Sir C. Monck's Vandal, 5 yrs, 68t lolb (Cresswell) 6
Mr. Davidson's Barodo, 5 yrs, Set 111 b (Hardcastle) 7
Betting—Even on Skirmisher, 9 to 2 agst Underhand,
sto 1 apt Mongrel, 7 to 1 agst Vandal, 10 to 1 each
agst El Hakim and Pantomime, The 14 got away at
the first attempt ; Baroda, who cut out the work for his
stable companion, El Hakim, leading, with El Hakim
second, Mongrel third, Vandal fourth, Underhand fifth,
and Skirmisher last. In this order.they ran at. a mode-
rate pace until after rounding the Newcastle turn, when
Mongrel took the lead, Vandal going on second and
Skirmisher third, but in the next 200 yards Skirmisher
went to the front, followed by Mongrel, Underhand, and
El Hakim in the order named, and thus they ran until
nearing the coal pit turn, when Underhand took second
place, with Ei Hakim third and Mongrel fourth. El Ha-
kim went up to the favourite, and ran with him up to
the distance, where El Hakim was in difficulties, and
Underhand challenged Skirmisher and headed him half
way up the distance. A splendid race home ensued,
which ended in favour of Underhand by a head ; El
Hakim was beaten a couple of lengths from Skirmisher ;
Mongrel was a bad fourth.
The race was good for the last threaequarters of a mile
only. Prioress fill was strick out at 2.15 p.m.
The Commercial Visitors' Stake of 50 sovs each, 3 ft,
with 50 added, for 3-yr-olds and upwards. Optional
selling weights, &c. About one mile. 10 subs.
Mr. Allen's Plausible, 5 yrs, (251 ), 88t 21b...(Kendall) 1
Mr. J. Merry's Cock Robin, 3 yrs (251.), Est 111 b
(Cresswell) 2
Mr. Thompson's Rawcliffe, 3 yrs (351.), 6st 111 b
(J. Forster) 3
Mr. Dickson's c by Annandale—Messalina, 3 yrs (25.)
6-t 111 b
Betting-2 to lon Plausibie, sto 2 agst Rawcliffe.
Won eas,ly by a neck, half a length betweeh the second
and third, good lourth.
The winner was sold by auction to Mr. J. Merry for
121 guineas.
Her Majesty's Plate of 100 guineas ; three-yr-olds, 7st ;
four, Bst 10lb ; five, 9.et 41b ; six and aged, Oct 71b.
Three miles.
Mr. Hunt's General Williams, 3 yrs, 7st...(Challoner) 1
Mr. Jackson's Sneeze, 3 yrs, 7st
Mr. J. G. Henderson's Logie o' Buchan, 3 yrs, 7st
(J. Forster) $
Betting-2 to lon General Williams, sto 2 apt
Sneeze. Won by 10 lengths, about the same distance
between the second and third.
THURSDAY.
Tyne Handicap.
_ .

Courtenay
La Viotti!le
Sprig of Shillelagh
_ . Speculation Plate

Caliph
Ondine

Gateshead Stakes.

walked over,

Corporation Plate.

Nine ran.