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London, England, 1857-07-25 00:00:00

rt SUN, LONDON SATORDA EVENIA G, JULY 25, 1857;

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Ft OUSE OF L RDS (YESTERDAY.

The LORD CHANCELLOR toDk his seat on the wool.
sack at five o'clock.

Loral RAVENSWORTII prevented a petition from

the officers and seamen frequenting the ports of the
Tyne, praying for the formation of a harbour of refuge
on the north-east coaQt.

THIRD READINGS.

On the motion of Lord REDESDALE, the following
biil4 were read a third time and passed :—D ake of
Bridgewater's Estate (as ainended) ; Dexttirop Turnpike
Trust ; London City Coal Duties ; European and India
Junction Telegraph Compy. ; West of Fife Mineral Rail-
way ; Clyde Navigation ; Pultenay Town Harbour ; Elie
Harbour ; Newquay Pier and Harboor and Railway ;
Reading Railways Junction Railway ; S!aney River
Improvinent ; Stockport, Disley, arid Wbaley Bridge
Rail way ; Worksop atiii Attercliffe Road ; Westminwter
Terminus Railway Extension (Clapham to Nor-
wood Abandonment); Burial of the Dead within the City
and Liberties of London; Otley and Skipton Mal; Han-
lingclon and Todmorden Roads ; Fife and Kinross Rail-
way ; and Kinross-shire Railway.

lordships were feebly attempting to discharge—would
have been performing that euty with the irresistible
force of his high authority—a duty not so much to the
memory of his cherished friend as to the services he had
rendere f to his country—not only the services he had
performed under the noble duke, but the inestimable
services be bad performed when in command of the most
arduous expedition which had ever left our shores, and
under difficulties almost overwhelming, he had led our
troops and the troopa of our allies, with whom his kindly
nature and his great nisdom preserved an undeviating
friendship— (hear, hear)—led them to a victory in some
respects without an example in the proud military annals
of his country. (Loud cheers) He (Lord Brougham)
had heard both military and naval men of the longest
and large 4 experience express the warmest—the most,
if he might so say —the most inexpressible admiration
of the manner in which the landing in the Crimea
had been conducted before the battle of the Alma ;
and it must not be forgotten that it was' to the firm-
ness of Lsrrl Raglan that we owed the landing in
the Crimea at that critical moment at all. Marshal St.
Amend, of whom no man could wish to speak with
deeper regret for his loss or with greater admiration
for his ability—Marshal St. Arnaud, who was
labouring at that time under the disease with which he
was stricken, and which unhappily proved mortal, was
wholly against the operation. At first he rtfwed his
concurrence ; but when urged by Lord Raglan—urged
with the noble 1 trd's characteristic firmness, which was
euly equalled by his kindly forbearance—Marshal St.
Arnaud, with a candour and a wisdom, the one equal to
the other, gave up his opposition, and consented to take
a part in the enterpriss. The field of Alma followed,
and if Lord Raglan's advice had been taken, the allies
within eight-and-forny hours would have been in pos•
ses,ion of Sebastopol. (Hear, hear.) He said that on
the best of all authorities. He knew that it might be
cal'ed wisdom after the event ; but they had it upon the
confession of the enemy himself that Sebastopol must
have fallen if the allies had only advanced upon it imme-
diately after the bat:le of the Alma. Instead of that,
however, there was substituted a march, the execution
of which no doubt did the highest honour to the mili-
tary talents of the commanders, and which led to two or
three glorious though fruitless victories ; but, unhappily
the general result was a great prolongation of the siege,
and a great consequent loss of life. Nevertheless the
victory was ours ; and to whom could we ascribe it but
t,) Lord Raglan (C ears.) From the beginning,
throughout, and to the end, when unhappily he fell a
sacrifice to disease brought on partly by the climate, but
in a much greater proportion by his mental anxiety,
and the cruel disappointment which he experienced—
to him we owed the whole of that great achievement
which had added so much, if anything could add, to
the lustre of our arms. (Cheers.) Should they
not, then, reward acts like these ! Should they be-
grudge a monument to such a man ? •He did not
say begrudge at all as a matter of economy, but as one
of precedent, which appeared to weigh so much upon his
noble friend (Lord Panmure) ; but should they, through
a fear of precedents—which could after all have very
little, if any, application—refuse to Lord Raglan a
monument, to which public opinion was prepared to
assent, and which they were even prepared to ask?
(Cheers.) He (Lord Brougham) knew it required no
monument to hand down such deeds as these to all suc-
ceeding ages, He knew, as was well said by an orator
of antiquity, that " Ilustrious men need no trophy ;
the whole world is their monument." (Cheers.) Never-
theless, he (Lord Brougham) humbly thought that they
would do well to yield to the prejudice of local associa-
tions, and perpetuate his rame and imperishable re-
nown by the ordinary mode of erecting a monument to
his memory, in order that others might be excited to
follow his bright example. (Hear.)
The Earl of DERBY could not resist the opportunity
of adding the humble tribute of his praise to the great
and signal merit of the late Lord Raglan, and of express-
ing his deep regret at the answer of the noble lord to the
question of the noble earl. He thought the noble earl
might have claimed the public gratitude for Lord Raglan
with regard to a much earlier period of his life than that
on which he chiefly dwelt. (Hear, hear.) With the
exception of that illustrious personage, the Duke of
Wellingten himself, there was hardly an instance of a
man baring for so long a time devoted his great talents,
military and civil, to the public service, as the late Lord.
Raglan. (Cheers.) He was extremely sorry that the
noble lord should have given what he was afraid he
must consider a refusal to the request of the noble earl,
although the noble lord would not say that the Govern-
ment might not, on some future and more favourable
opportunity, entertain his proposal.
Lord PANKURE said the noble earl was putting
words into his mouth which he bad never used.
Lord DERBY—WeII, if the noble lord disclaimed
the words—

Lord PANNIURE—I not only disci-arch-them, but I
never used them. (Cheers.)
Lord DERBY must have misunderstood the noble
lord, though he certainly thought be had heard him say
what he had stated, and many of his noble friends
around him had fallen into the same error. They had
certainly thought they heard the noble baron allude to
some future and more favourable opportunity. (Cheers.)
Loid PANHURE—I utterly deny that I used the
words, " more favourable," and I am surprised that
when the ❑oble call has received a direct denial from a
gentleman, he does not take his word. (Cheers )
Lord DERBY did take the noble lord's word, and he
conceived that the noble lord was displaying a very un-
nece,sary amount of temper. (Hear, hear.)
Lt,rd FORTESCUE observed that it was he whoused
the word, "future and more favourable opportunity."

Lord DERBY said that when the noble baron talked
of monuments being granted to persons only who had
performed very great and signal services, he would not
follow out the inference which must necessarily be drawn
with regard to the services of Lord Raglan. He con-
sidered that the services of Lord Raglan in the Peuin-
sula and at Waterloo, his services for twenty-five years at
the Horse Guards, his ready acceptance of the command
in the Crimea, the manner in which he had struggled
against every difficulty, and the confidence which he had
had inspired not only in his own troops but in those
of our allies, entitled hint to be placed in the category
of those who hal performed great and signal services
to their country. (Coeers.) He did not think that
the noble lord was right in the role which had been laid
down with regard to monuments being only granted to
military commanders who had died in actual battle or
of their wounds. He believed that Lord Collingwood,
Lord St. Vincent, and Lord Cornwallis had all had
niouuments. (Hear) But ho maintained that Lord
Raglan had owed his death as much as any man could
do to his devotion to his country, and he therefore
contended that the noble lord ca e fairly within the rule.
(Hear.) He (Lord Derby) should like to know when
a more favourable opportunity could occur than the
present. It was now more than two years since the
death of Lord Raglan. Were the government waiting
to see how much public pressure could be brought to
bear upon them in reference to this subject, on which it
was peculiarly their province to decide! (Hear.) He
had heard with some regret that the noble earl intended
to bring the question forward, because he thought that if
the government assented t 7 it, the act would lose a great
portion of its grace, and, if they refused, then an addi-
tional slur would be cast upon the character of Lord
Raglan, which had already been subjected to much un-
deserved obloquy. (Hear.) He must, however, again
express his deep sorrow at the answer the question bad
received ; more especially on account of the slur the
government had thrown on the services of Lord Raglan.
(Cheers.)
Earl GRANVILLE said the debate had not taken a
very pleasant turn, and when the noble earl talked of
temper, he did not think the tone of his own observations
was altogether defensible. With everything that had been
said in favour of Lord Raglan he (Lord Granville) entirely
concurred ; but still he did not think it would be.
desirable, even for that noble lord's own reputation, that
the government should proceed to decide on the question
until they had perfectly satisfied themselves that the
proposal would meet withlgeneral concurrence. (Hear,
hear.)
The Duke of BEAUFORT was glad to bear the state-
ment of the noble earl that he concurred in tI e eulogies
which had been passed upon his late relative. The
Minister of War, however, had not said a single word
i❑ praise of that great man, who had carried out to the
best of his endeavours the orders he had received front
the noble lord. Nay, he would go further—the noble
lord had put the last crowning act upon his treatment of
his (the duke's) noble relative, whom during his life he
bad constantly vilified [so the noble duke was understood
to say].
The subject then dropped.
IMMIGRATION INTO THE WEST INDIA.
COLONIES.

The Marquis; of CLANRICARDE presented a peti-
tion from Guiana, praying for the removal of certain
impediments to the importation into that colony of free
laboure.r4.
The Crown Suits (Scotland) Bill, the Bill Chambers
(Scotland) NI, and the Bankruptcy and Real Securities
(Scotland) were severally read a second time
The Portland Harbour Bill, and the Chatham Lands
Bill, pas.ed through committee.
Their lordships then adj,..urned at ten minutes past 7
o'clock.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.—ONsTERDAY.)
The SPEAKER took the chair at twelve o'clock.
his seat for Oxford
moEkeWitnbbeMe rcEa twM"aßsaEnird:.troduced by Mr.
City. The
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Weguelin and Mr. Glynn. After taking the oaths he
occupied hi; usual seat during the latter part Gf the
last seiFion, at tho corner immediately above the gang-
way and behind the Treasury bench. He received the
warm congratulations of his numerous friends in the
house. The hon. gentlernan presented a petition from
Oxford against the Divorce Bill,

PRIVATE BUSINESS.
The Lords amendments to the following private bills
were cousidered and agreed to :—Atlantic Telegraph
Company ; Dartmouth and Torbay Railway ; Dundalk
and Enni,killen Railway ; East SomEr3et Railway ;
Newton and Machynlleth Railway ; Prestwich Railway
and Riviclin, Roads ; Shropshire Union Railways and
Canal ; London and North Western Railway, and
SbropsLire Canal C Anpanies.