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THE SUN, LONEON, SArURDAY EVENING, JULY 18, 1857.

now suggestod should be converted into transport ships will not be satisfactoen to my noble friend, but it is all money had been subscribed in this country for the wimple- • ceed to Calcutta. No ODES can find fault with that decision,
tion of these railways-a considerable share of it was in but the noble lord went on to say there would still be a
by this language was, that there was some urgent pu. blic
would be available for the purposes of the proposed that at present I can in duty say.
squadron. Contemporaneously, then, with the prepare. Lord PALMERSTON then Proceeded to state, in answer the Possession ofithe East India Company, and it only re- force at Canton quite suffieient to enfor„ „mplian„ with
engagement connected with the houhse or some private
estified the right
to edr, Griffith,hthat the proposed project of a ship canal nuired the inatreestereince of the house to giee an increased the demands of the government. That answer gave rise
business of peculiar importance whic
non of these ships for proceeding to the Bay of Bengal,
tehrough the est raus.of Suez sae in. his opinion inconsistent impetus tow d ehe_comPletion of railways in India. The to a question which he did not doubt the committee would
hon. gentleman in appealing to the pjarties.N.and to3oblids
be should be calling upon the merchant service to pro-
with tho policy and interests of this courrtry-(hear)-m a hon. member concluded by moving his resolution. i think of very considerable importance. He could under-
colleagues to consent to an adjournment. e. o one c
vide the means for conveying troops to India, and he
political point of view, especially with regard to our Indian Mr. V. SMITH sad that as regarded any interference on ' stand that if a land force was in p;session of Canton, it_
have anticipated from the letnegnut az otfo the right hon.
preside over a ventured to believe that this mode of proceeding was , possessions. If there were a great ship canal through the the part of the Government in putting obstacles in the way mi ht make the vicer y •eld
gentleman that his only bj
°bound to say that, no matter far preferable to the one which had been suggested. I
. Suez isthmus, other maritime powers with whom we might of the progress of the railway, the hon. member had for- 1 rehgollect all this timeethe'yl were hneotcoamt
public meeting. mwiatrte en
osthwo
jell.
' (Hearn perhaps he might be allowed, in reference to I come into collision would have an immense start before gotten the fact tnat th,e East India Company had guaran- standing the hustings declaration of gentienien 'that they
wage
of the public') meeting, he never
this transport question, to make a further statement to 1 England. (Hear, hear.) Besides, the project was one tend- teed 5 per cent- upon tne money expended in the construe- were for the prosecution of the war ; the government never
What might be theHneat
would have consentedutro adjo. urn the meeting on such a
the house. It was said that a good deal of injury was ing to the separation of Tineey and ggypt_a policy which iion of theserailways,and it was bat right that the company said they were at war. (Hear, hear). If Canton was taken
( ar.) It was quite true the parties assented,
ne to the public service by sending troops in sailing 1 the French Government had loyally disavowed at the Paris should exercise some._ amount of surveillance in the con- there might be a prospect of obtaining all that was de_
conferences. With regard to the difficultyin an engineering truction of those railways. No doubt it would be a great mantled; • but what could a naval force do when the
gbrt?tudiaidd : seliek e the noble lord and himself, under the do
impression that the adjournment was for some matter vessels instead of steam vessels. It was perfectly true i
point
.of view, nothing was in fact impossible when money advantage to the Indian Government to have the use of rail- differences were confined to Canton ? The gun-boats might
p Indy important to the right hon. gentleman. (Hear, that in short voyages steam vessels were far more rapid
1 and science were at hand ; but, speaking of the matter as a ways for the conveyance of troops to different parts of the destroy, a number of junks, but that would make no
- eleu
, commercial speculation, he believed he had been correct country. No blame whatever was to be attached to the elteration in the dispositi fth th • • t c t
on o ean orates a an on.
kear.). in performing the transit than sailing ships ; but before
1 when he characterised it on a former occasion as one of Indian Government in the matter of the construction of The only effectual use that could be made of the naval force
Mr. HORSMAN trusted the house would allow him any particular case could be decided we must look at the
those bubble com aniea whi lrew mone
p ch e y from the pockets those railways. It was entirely an affair of the different would be to bleaker% the northern ports But thete had
to say a few words in answer to the extraordinary state- particular circumstances that surround it. Long voyages
of English capitalists and gave them nothing in return. companies, and it was for them to make as groat progress as yet been no hostilities •th *
at ese ports, but, on the con-
e:Gent-n(oh, obi and cries of " Order") of the hon. gent- at certain periods of the year were accomplished quicker
or as quteck
lb main vessels, as by steam vessels, and Mr R. STEPHENSON said that, with regard to engi. as po.seible, and he could assure the honourable member trary, trade was carried on without any regard ,to the
loman. It was extremely painful to be at issue with
the par icu arycahe ngow under consideration was one of neering difficulties, he might say that he had been over the that it would afford the greatest possible pleasure to the hostilities between Commissioner Yeh and sir John Bow-
the noble lord and the hon. gentleman on a question of hem Locomotive power was dependent upon a supply whole ground, and had formed an opinion •on the subject. Indian Government to see the railway system completed ring--(a laugh) -he therefore wished to know whether as
fact, but he was fortified by the presence of the members t • .
of c al, which must be sent from this country to va- The level of Lefrere taken at the time of the French inva- and developed in India- So far as he was concerned, he there was only a naval force in those seas it was inten:ied
of the committee, and from his own recollection and po-
rious stations ; now it was not always that an ads- Rion of Egypt, in 1801, stated that there was a difference should be most happy to affcrd every facility in his power to blockade the northern perts in order 'to obtai a corn-
sitive knowledge, he could state that there was not the between the level of the Red Sea and the Mediterranean of towards the completion of the Indian railways. pliance with the di mands made at Canton, for if ntbat was
quate supply could be obtained ; while when it could
32 feet. Limon Bey had, therefore, suggested that the Mr. CRAWFORD stated that he had been since 1849 done the partial hostilities would be turned into a war
slightest foundatioo, in truth or fact, for the assertion
be obtained the delay of coaling prolonged the voyage
that he bad ever stated it was impossible for him to at- canal of. Ptolemy should be cleared out, that by means of it connected with the East India Railway which was pro- with China and the imperial government would consid, r
to the time occupied by a sailing vesael. According to
an opening between the two seas should be made. Along pc sel to make a line of 1,100 miles in hing, th ; and in 1855 t' at the ernpire was att Geol. He really wi,hed to know
tend. ("Oh, oh," and cheers.) On the contrary, it was
a return he bad just obtained from Lloyd's, it appeared this canal it was calculated that the difference of level that company had alreade opened not less than 138 miles vs hat wan he view h r Mtn esty's govErnment took of thee
not until after tbe adjournment was agreed to that be
at this eime of year the time occupded
iby a would cause a current running at the rate of 4 miles an of its entire length.. This was a rate of speed which, he matter and what was the meaning of his noble friend's
ut and saw his friends, and told them he could °ea.::
sailing vessel in performing the voyage from Lonuon to hour, a rate sufficient to keep the canal scoured, but notso contended was qulte equal to the progress made in railway perase'that a sufficient force wonld still remain in China ?
tacaltmeetobe chair. If tbe adjonrnment had been in the
Caleutta was from ninety to one hundred days, taking strong as to prevent the transit of steam-vessels both upend making in Engle"- ,In addition to the 138 miles already Did he mean to transfer hostilities to the northern ports
slightest degree objected to, he would not have done so.
the average of the last three or four years. On the down. He went into the matter believing that the differ- opened, works were eeing actively carried over 900 miles and make val on China. He shoul I also like to know
He stated three times to tba counsel, that if it was for
other hand, in the case of four steamvessels which had ence of level existed. The French engineers, however, on the other Portions of the line of the company. So far, what was the present object oe thesie hostilities . they
their convenience an adjournment might be isuggeste%
been employed in the execution of a contract for carry- with whom he was associated, made fresh observations therefore, as the ceniPanet with which ho was connected first began because the governor refused to mae an
They said it would be most convenient to them, an
upon the difference of the levels, and they discovered that was concerned. tneere was no foundation whatever for the apology in writing, and refused to return on board the
ing the mails froneetehairs)country to Calcutta, the average
neither they nor the parties had the slightest idea tbat
wahsolioo4 dirties._ (H . no difference in reality existed, and that the world had for statements of the noneurable member. (Hear, hear.) In lorcha the men taken from her, whom he had already
f w 50 years laboured under a misapprehension. Whenthe true one respect he condcred in the opinion expressed by the returned at the consul's house. What the present demands
it was for his convenience rather than for that of the
U 1 nel NORTH asked the Under-Secretary or ar state of the case was known, the gentlemen with whom he hon. member, oaf at was with reference to the super- wore,_ he for one was totally ignorant. He wished to know
noble lord or any otber member of the committee.
the question of which he had iven him notice, viz. :- acted came to the conclusion-a conclusion in which he vision and inter. erence of the officers of the East India whether it was intended to convert the hostilities into a
could only account for the statement now made by suHpe-
What force of artillery is to pgroceed to India, and whe- concurred -that the project was not a sound one. Since Company in Lithe, ,where an amount of circumlocution and war;; and, if so, what were the demands to obtain which
posing that the hon. gentleman and and the noble lord
ther or inot they are to eake guns, ammunition, and that time he had walked over the isthmus and considered routine was adoPtea that Could hardly be conceived in this theLowar was to be carried on e
after sitting so long on a scrutiny, had carried into the
horses, and if not, to state the reasons. What staff of the practicability of making a canal, anclhe had come to country. ( Hear, hear). rd PALMERSTON said-It appears, sir, that my
house a good deal of the confusion as to facts they lead
artillery is to command and direct this force ? the concussion that such a plan was-he would MA say Mr. GILPIN* expressed himself gratified with the an- noble friend and the rieht hon. gentleman inn Gladstone)
displayed on the committee. (Oh, oh.) Sir Je.RAMoDEN said the force would consist of six absurd or feasible, but at least one which, although•engi- nouncement made bY the right hon. the President of the retain their former opeinions with reeard to what took
Lord J. MANNERS rose to order. The right hon.
Boar lof Control of his intention to assist to the ut t 1 • Ch• ( ''
, . mos p ace in ma- cheers) -they are psrfectly welcome to
of his power in developing the railway system in India by retain them ; the people of England have decided that
companies and two troops of horse ; they would not nearing operations might overcome its difficulty, was an
unfeasible one in a practical point of view.
gentleman had no right to use such language when he
take either guns or ammunition, because the Govern-
private enterprise.
had only risen to explain. (Hear )
PRESENT STATE OF INDIA. question-(cheers) -therefore whether my noble friend
. Col. SYKES hoped that in a few days the house Would thinks those proceedings flagitious, and whether the right
moment. were indorm.ed that the arsenals in India were
Mr. HORSMAN made no charge against his collea-
supplied with both. Mr. DISRAELI not having contributed to the olio of
be placed in poseession of accurate facts and figures in hon. geo leman adopts and sanctions that opinion, is a mat-
gees. (Hear, hear.) He only conceived that the weari- Ply
JEWISH DISABILITY QUESTION. subjects which had been brought before the house- (a
connection with railways and other enterprises in India, ter of total indifference to her Majesty's Government.
Less produced by so long a sitting had produced confusion
laugh)-w ould venture at last to bring forward his share.
in their minds. They had made a charge against him Lord J. RUSSELL said-Sir, although lam sensible of The noble lord (Palmerston) had said that their days were so as to enable the house to form accurate conclusions on (Laughter.) • Yes, of total indifference. We rest on the
sanction which the people of the United Kingdom have
for which there was not the slightest foundation, and the inconvenience of raising debatea on the motion fox ad- numbered, but he reminded him that their duties were
hir. AYRTON did not think that the government of given to those proceedings. (Cheers.) We are ftl
per cc y
every one in the room knew that. He felt as much as journment, I rise, in consequence of a wrong suffered by multiplied. He did think that the house would vacate its
India had been remiss in its conduct ith t. to rail- content with the result of the a eal to th eo a ainst
pp e p ple g
functions and place itself as regarded the country in a most .
the subject.
ways in n ia, u we ein great nger o constructing the noble lord and the right hon. gentleman. ' (Cheers.)
Id• b t r ' da w PP" • ,
any one how unjust it would bo to the parties to protract my own constituents, to ask the decision of the Govern-
the inquiry for a single day, or to put them to a shilling in t •th
en wi respect to the bill of which I have given notie 3 ignominious position if the present session were to close
without there being a debate and discussion in that house them too rapidly. The right hon. gentleman has told us that he is perfectly
of expense. He was most unwilling to pet thein to any ~
An HON. MEMBER complained of the slow progress satisfied in some wonderful information derived from a
tor to-night. Sir, my constituents have four titnes elected on the affaire of Ince& He thought it their first duty to
inconvenience, and he did not propose the adjourpment
of railways in India, and instanced the case of the Great gentleman whom he has not condescended to name, that
until counsel bad three timee stated it woad be for their Baron Lionel de Rothschild as one of their representatives consider the state of oar Indian empire. He had under-
stood from the right hon. gentleman (Mr. V. Smith) that India Peninsular Railway Company. the flag was not flyine on thelorcha when she wee boar led
Mr. WILLOUGHBY hoped at some future time to be by the Chinese, and fas argued as if the whole case turned
-(cheers)----but he has been unable to take his seat in this
convenience.
certain of the papers-those papers which contained a
Sir J. PAKINGTON and Culonel Xerox rose together, house owing to the wording of one of the oaths adminis- mere narrative of what had taken place-would, in the able to properly place this question before the house. He on that fact. In the first place I beg to remind him that
was connected with the first railway in India, which was it was proved by eye witnesses that the flag was flying,
and for some time both seemed inclined to persist, when tered to members. (Hear.) Successive governments have course of the day, be laid on the table. Bnt as
commenced only six years and a half ago, not fourteen and the blue peter-the signal tbat the vessel was about
the occupants of the opposition benches called for Cul. attempted to relieve him and his Jewish brethren from regarded the other papers, which were to give infertile-
years ago, as had been stated. About 3,0e0 miles of rail- to sail-also. And the whole case did not turn on the fact
Knox. the d" bilities to which they are subjected, by passine tion as to what had occurred before the outbreak for
way were now in course of construction, and he did not of the flag flying; but on the fact that the vessel was lying
Sir G. GREY rose to order. He believed the Speaker some months previously, they had been told that no warn-
think there was any cause of cemplaint. for many days at Canton as a British vessel, and the Can-
bills in this house, and sending them to the other house r;f
ing of the impending mutiny had been given to the Go-
had called on the right hon. bardnet.
Parliament. (Hear.) It has been supposed that the City vernment. Now, if the Government were searching among The motion was negatived without a division. tonese knew she was a British vessel. I really should
PRINTING OF PAPERS FOR THE HOUSE.
SUPPLY. have thought that my eight bon friend had hail enough of
of London are satisfied with three members, and that they its archives for this warning-(a laugh)-the house mieht
" The house went into committee of supply on the vote of the lorcha question without endeavouring to thrust it 83
unnecessarily into this debate. (Hear, hear, and laughter.)
S.r J. PAKINGTON then proceeded, but, from the
do not insist upon having a fourth to perform their farm- wait to no purpose, and be told at the last moment that
500,000/. moiety of the expenses of the Persian war.
noise which prevailedrhis observations were imperfect]
the search was fruitless. Hence, therefore, without wait-
•Y ions in Parliament • but that is not the fact • the City of
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that My noble friend, however, has asked a question much more
heard. Ho said he took it for granted tbe honse had no t ' ' - ' ing for these latter papers, he thought that the house
London is anxious to have its full representation, but they
having before it a narrative of what hall occurred, ought so much time having been occupied on a former night in appropriate to the subject under discussion. My noble
desire to prolong the discussion, and if he gave way he
would not have another opportunity of calling attention have consented for a time to forego that privilege in order at an early day to proceed to take into its deep and serious discussing this subject, it was unnecessary for him to friend has evidently misunderstood what Isaid on a former
enter into such de' ails as he otherwise should have done. occasion. I did not say the troops had been withdrawn
to the subject of which he had given notice. He eas to vindicate another privilege, namely, the great privilege consideration the affairs of India. The noble lord the
Thoe tnwn of
.Herat was of empoetarice
tto this country froimn China, but that certain troops hail not arrived at
ir m
_it! position to India,. ape. ne noutre he Government Ch a, but hed been ordered to rendezvous at Sin-
informed that a rule had lately been made, to the effect claimed by the people of this country to send members member for London (Lord J. Russell) seemed the other
day rathee inclined to sn.eer at the necessity for discussing
that papers presented to the house by command of her tv this house without regard to their religions
this question, and to think that all to be considered was would have been justified in throwing the expenses of the gaper°. On their way they were diverted from their orieinal
Majesty were ne longer to be distributed to members, opinions. (Cheers.) Sir, the House of Lords has again how to put the outbreak down. But he would venture to war on the Indian Government, the seine as was done in destination, and sent on to I dia. (Hear hear ) Brit no
but to be placed in the vote office, and be accessible to rejected a bill which was intended to produce that result. say that it was totally impossible that the house could the Affghaniaten war ; but the Government considered it orders have been given to Withdraw tree; s frCun China ;
members on application: He was as desirous as any It was supposed, and fairly, that the majorities in this form any idea as to whether the steps to be taken by the better to nailer take the Payme,ut of a certain portion of and there are troops there now sufficient foPr all purposes
maa to restrain the expense of printing, but he thougLt house beine' generally small-something, indeed, between Government were adequate to the emergency of the case, the expense if Parliament would give its consent. The for which troops can be required. Then, as to what we
the rule now Proposed would be most inconvenient, ee and 30, ethe House of Lords considered that in face of unless they knew something of its origin and cause. (Hear.) right hon. gentleman said that the East India Company intend to do ; surely my noble friend must know, for it
Many important Papers would be presented which viould that divided state of opinion they were not bound to give They had been told that tho rising sprang from a sup- had supplied the Government with an estimate of the pro- has more than once been stated, the course the Govern-
entirely escape the notice of nsembers, for the mere in. effect to the wishes of the House of Commons ; but it ap- posed insult to the superstitions feelings of the natives. bible final expense of the war, amountingtol,B6s,o9o/. ;so ment are pursuing in reference to these affairs. It is well
by their late decision, that this cannot be tbe erouud If that were so, prompt and energetic, but to a 'certain ex- tkat the sum now due under the arrangement betweenehe known that Lord Elgin was sant out with instructions to
serteen in the votes of the fact that certain paperohad Pears,
been presented would not be sufficient to direct atten- of their objection to the measure : beeause the last° bill- tent superficial measures, might meet the case. But if the Government and the East India Company was rather more endeevour to enter into communication with the Govern-
uip. the bale
than half a million. He now asked the house to erant ment of Pekin; and until the results of' those communica-
tion to them. He begged to ask the Secretary of the boridees noeivng suppotrtede by the whole authority and weight causes of the outbreak were deeper, then measures of a far
500,000/. ; but he should at a future time have to asek for tions are nacerwtailitnehde buyuLdeorrdtakEelngiva,t ncoanfutornth:erino(pieeerda,tiothnes
th
_G _ eromen hn a m.ajerity of 140 in its favour different character would be required. Hence in discussine
Treasury by what authority the new rule had been
upon the decisive test of its principle. (Cheers.) It ia obvi- the subject the house must of necessity take a wide vies; a supplemental estimate of eOO,OOO/. or ICO,OOO/. to make of magnitude
made? ous that we may send a bill next year to the House of of the causes which have led -to the recent outbreak. nee. It would not, however, be asked for season of.the ye.ar would render any considerable operations
Mr. WILSON said the rule had been adopted in Lores, and the next year another; but if so laree a majority (Hear.) He proposed on the earliest occw!ion which was tuts year. The next vote he had to move was for the by land in the interval undesirable M sieht lion friend
consequence of a report of !he printing committee, which as that is not to prevail, there is no chance that euch a bill consistent with due notice to the house ands iththe e Chinese war. As a great Portion of the China force the First Lord of the Admiralty ims
e*gnoiteogrytir
nonpuos.e*a vote
had received the sanction of a select committee, pre- will be accepted by the House of Lords. (Hear.) Let me nience of the Government to ask the house two consideeurutvhe would be diverted to India, the expenses of the regiments for an increase in the number of and he
sided over by the right hon. gentleman the member for say, however, thetas these bills appeared to take the shape present condition of India-first, with regard to the cauie so diverted would fall on tho Indian Government, is about to send out a force of marines to reinforce the
tae University of Cambridge. The object was to save of a change in the law, and as the last bill we sent up pro- of the recent outbreak ; and secondly, with regard to the awl, in consequence he only now asked for a vote fleet. A certain number of gunboats has also been sent
expense.' If, however, the new inle was f°und to work Posed a change in the oaths to be taken by members of this question whether the means taken by the Government to
house, it was undoubtedly within the constitutional func- quell the outbreak were efficient. He would propose to of 400,003/., instead. of 500,000/., as first proposed. ont, which had arrived at the date of the last accounts. My
inconveniently, he would suggest that the whole should A supplemental vote, however, would be laid before the noble friend says when these have arrived they will destroy
be referred argain to the committee. (Hear, hear.) tions of the House of Lords to refuse to sanction it. But, the noble lord that he should fix
sir, the question which occurs to me, and I think the house Bible, for the consideration of thaiesmeudesatyfona h.ouse
.by t 1 fi t L d of the Admiralty for naval opera- a fleet of miserable junks. These miserable junks are war
re rs Or
SCREW LINE-OF-BATTLE SHIP 3 AS TRANS-
.s e aHr ley
teens in consequence of the war in China, amounting in junks of great magnitude which materially interrupted the
PORTS. . will agree not unnaturally, is, whether the City of London on that occasion, make a motion q • • •
, not conceived in hostility round numbers to 103,0001. At present it would be pre- communications with Hong Kong, and when the whole of
is to be satisfied with the present state of their re resenta- to her Majesty's government-not with a view Baths: pua:lndsy: mature to anti -i ate the effects of the disturbance in In ia the gunboats shall have arrived, I have no doubt they
Admiral DUNCOMBE, in calling the attention of the tion, or whether, on the other hand, they are toPbe satis- itety3 Wumphhinbhutevvith a view of placing before the!ins3e- on the Englishe Phqu r, but he thoneht th aa d will be enabled g• outriliteonfintir;iestehetmaelalies tests.
First Lord of the Admiralty to the policy of reconsider- fied with their defeat on this occasion; or, thirdly, whether to fear ; and liter:minded the coralitteeethawtlheattleit:aef (Cheers.) The teeouirvs: re aa;ne
ject whiecahahwe feareed cwuarereodnteoolemelf
oaleatd otheernsioouns 0 f
our
irg the determination, as announced by him, not to em- there is any other course that can be adopted in the matter. was the result, the demands would have to be met in the we are not going to make warPwith tlie northern 'ports, be-
ploy any of the screw line of battle ships in conveying a Now, it has occurred to me that there is another cotuse. time. In conclusio h ld m mem
• 1
The house is well aware that the law now for two be given to the mattner. end by the East India Company. He did not anticipate a cause they are in most friendly relation with the British
pond in of the troops about to be sent to India, said there (Hear.) e wou suggest that this tay week
further demand this year on the English exchequer (be- merchants ; we ara going, in the first place, to do that
were at the present moment in the home ports 10 screw centuries has declared and acknowledged that persons in Lord PALMERSTON-Sir lam quite ready to admit yond the sums he had moved), in consequence of the late which, according to international usage, is the fittest thing
line of battle ships, besides a large number of frigates, courts ofjustice might take an oath in any form binding on the position which the right hen. gentleman has laid down occurrences in the East. He proposed to meet these to do. A great outrage bas been committed by the local
which ' had, with one exception, been employed ic the their censciencle.s7That was an opinion declared to have -that it would be expected by the country that this house ?barges in the following manner, first premising that the authorities of Canton-we address ourselves to the Em-
end on the peoposal of the late Lend should, before it separates, give its attention seriously to eeneoemeet.of the Exchequee wasgreater than the expenditnre. peror of China for redress and satisfaction-we send a
late war, and therefore, had their machinery in perfsct Ire nnmgal nv ean b inl 1 w6a s ' eased, which is now an aet of Parlia- h h imate of ex enditure in April last for the ensume special mission from this countr to
tt. e present state of the affairs of India, At the same .1
_ p . . . :, . . . y endeaveur to enter
order and their engines on board, and could in a very short ment, viz , the Ist and 2d Vie ,c. 103, by which all per. e I said on a former occasion I should think that year had proved greater than he expected by 1,860,0001. into neeotiations with the Imperial Government and make
time, be fitted out for the conveyance of troops to India. sons in coerts ofjustice, and on* any occasion whatever, are tre heausse would wish, at all events 'to have the pers In addition to that there heel been ti further increase in certainedemands upon it. We are not at war with China
TheAd miralro deserved great credit for having purchased to take an oath in the form binding on their consciences ; that hon. members might read them'. My right hen': fanend coffee, sugar, and tea duties, beyond what he estimated at the present moment (Hear, hear, and cries of "Oh !")
the Himalaya, and he wished they had sor 6 lik e her, but and such persons falsely swearing shall be liable to all the the President of the Board of Control - hae been lookine them, of 500,000/. ; and the malt tax had given an addi- There has been a collision between the local authori-
as they had not the line of battle ships ought to be used in pains and penalties of perjury. (Hear.) But although that through the papers, and he has made a selection whicri tion of half a million, making a gross increase beyond what ties, Chinese and British, at Canton and Hong Kong.
he expected in April last of 860,000/. Against this there But that does not constitute war between England
a case of such emergency, One of theie vessels would act is declaratory of the meaning of the law, there is en will be sufficient to give every information. These papers
was to be set off the Seund Dues, 1,135,000 e. • the Persian sad China; and we must hope that the Imperial Govern-
take an entire regiment and land it inr much better order amliguity about the words "on any occesion" which are are now in type. The right hon. gentleman suggests Fri-
war, 235,000/. : for China, 400,000/. ; suppl'emental esti- ment takes that view, and be ready to afford that satis-
than if it had been divided on board two or three slips. contained in it. (Hear.) It is doubtful whether any day next ;I, however, suggest the probability that during
The moral effect produced by the appearance of these higher sutherity is meant than the superior courts of jus- the next week there will be a mail in from India, which mate for China,loo,oooe. • for thePrincessßoyal, 40,00 e/. ; faction which will render war unnoceasary. But in the
tte,iand what I wish to propose is, that this ambiguit making together 1,191,000 e, to which then would have to possible event of a different issue, wo are sending out a
ships would be very great, and they would furniih a lard e y cannot fail to bring tidings of great importance. I there-
force of milers and marines in case of emergency. He thaut ilabttrieelflule li„.prtthoatf, I,.;:taumldenbota dasecwbeructsaneilseentred , fore submit that Monday week will be the better day, and, bmeaaindedt.3oottVe9rol. j•emito7 dauceahoint that Pieuresriean waori liamiliteargifirocveerton Ceanntornfto act againethChina snoulds the
itfhtsecepetee., I will take care that it shall be reserved for a
u;ourrlobreioltl7,l;inble ttohNZeudivtehr-
thought it aha I thing that the Government were forced and on all other occasions, the oath to be administewred b; 2,860,(1031.g0ver ihe estimates of I.pril last. He thearseafore sati.)sfaction we dmemand.
to hire ships in alt Ca' es of emergency, for the greater the pereoe lawfully empowerid shall be taken in the form teeie".uleslati.ELl acceptea the offer of the noble lord to hoped the house would accede to his proposition. gence of the force which was ordered to rendezvous at
the emergency the greater the expense would be to them, most binding upon the party to bo sworn. fix Monday week as the day for discussion, Mr. WALPOLE expressed himself unable to understand Singapore will make any difference in the result of the
He wished to know whether the VI rat Lord of the Ad- Sir H. WILLOUGHBY rose to order-the noble lord ma. ROEBUCK asked the right hon. gentleman, who the basis upon which the East India Company and the operations. We hope the negoeiations will render further
miralty woul 1 reconsider his determination, and employ was speaking to a motion on the papers for the night, and said he should propose certain resolutions, whether due no- Government formed their estimate of the cost of the hostilities unnecessary; but should that not be the case,
was thereby clearly violatingithe rules of the house. flee would be given of them ? Persian expedition. Having pointed out the seeming in. we shall be prepared to prosecute those operations in a
at least three or feur ships as an experiment ?
ivlr. BENTINCK wished to take that opportunity of Lord J. RUSSELL-If it is not competent for me to go Mr. DISRAELI did not wish to bind himself as to the accuracies-in the estimates, he said that the house ought manner that shall enforce the reparation we demand.
calling attention to two answers lately given by tbe on I shall propose to. Conclude by moving that this boas° terms of the motion. He would frankly say, however, that to be assured that the sums asked for by the Cbancellor of Mr. DISRAELI-The noble lord says the opinion of the
First Lord of the Admiralty and the First Lord of the do now adjourn, with the view oe enablim the Government it would not be hostile to the Government. Anticipating the Exchequer would be sufficient for the two wars. right hon. gentleman and the noble lord the member for
to a ate what they will do on this question (Hear ) that the Government would not give all the papers he The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said there London is a matter of perfect indifference to him. (Cheers
Treasury, fram which he inferred it was the intention of • i s * - *-
Sir H. WILLOUGHBY-With ever respect for the should require, he had thought of moving for additional was no inaccuracy in the estimate. It w f d d h an 1c I t h
as oun e on t e _
ec fo in er c eon.) I will leave the noble lord the mem-
estimate that 230,000/. we had pani
the Government to leave the country in a totally de- noble lor 1 I must subm•t te n fO der to the ch •
mt yequoes io o r d air. papers ; but inasmuch as it would appear that the papers would have been suf- br oe London aqd the right hon. gentleman to settle that
fi • t b t since then it had been
men , u found necessary to ask question with the First Lord of the Treasury when the
fenceless state both by sea and land. The First Lord of The SP.EAKER-Will hh 3. baronet be goo enough were not to be limited to those to be laid on the table that
the Admiralty had stated a few nights ago, that they to state the point.of order again. night, he did not know whether the further papers would for half a million. That would have been all the Govern- opportunity offers- but I cannot help noticing the reason
had no ships fit to carry troops, but he (Mr. Bentinck) Sir H. 'WILLOUGHBY-A motion stands now on the c • h '• • •
ontam t e requisite information. raent would have been asked for this year, had it not have why the opinions of those two eminent members of this
been for the late unfortunate disturbances in India. house are a matter of such indifference to the noble lord.
believed that the ships in commis-ion at home were as paper for to-night in tbe name of the noble lord ;it is for PULP PARCHMENT.
little adapted for purposes of defence ; and, in point of leave to introduce a bill in reference to a certain statute Mr. DILLWYN called the attention of the house to the Sir E. PERRY_ x;ioeiculed ehe idea of Herat being the The noble lord says it is because the !Teeple of England at
gate of Persia, d
a.n t id that its poasession. was of more ad. the late general election pronounced an opinion on the sub-
fact, the country was now totally destitute of any mare there named. Now it appears to me that the noble lord's manufacture of pulp parchment, and inquired of the Chan- tage to roma ban to England or India ject of the operations at Canton, and that apnealing to
larit Hear
bringing up that question now in an ieregn y. ( .) cellor of the Exchequer whether the manufacture of that
time defence. The First Lord of the Treasury had tbe
vagir E. COLEBROOKE consid *
ered that our late policy that national opinion he can afford to despise the opinion
Mr. WALPOLE- I rather think, sir, your predecessor mei le
bouc was allowed to continue, pending the decision of the
night before given a most remarkeble answer to a quee- in the chair always laid it down as a rule that although in Persia had been an unfortunate one, and he thoueht it of those two distinguished members of the House of Com-
tion of the right hon. member for Bucks (Mr. Disraeli), we departed much from the ordinary rule in debating the and,
rtitefs ExlequeLatentodneether or not it was paper ;
itions. was better for us to strengthen rather than wealcil the mons. (Cheers and laughter.) But, sir, if I look to the
Persian empire. He expressed his fears that the next general verdict that was given at the late election, it was
to the effect that it was not intended to call out the motion that the house at its rising should aljourn till The CedrUn6rEiv,LOßeonf h EXCHE UER said that
t e Q
militia for the purposes of training. Monday, yet it was always considered that it was not the mannf
acture was to be allowed to proceed on the terms news from India would be more unfavourable than many one, as I understood, in favour of the vigorous prosecution
The SPEAKER informed the hon. gentleman that it competent for any member to take advantage of that me- of the manufacturer kee • •
ping an account and undertakine honourable members appeared to think, and that we should of the war with China-(cheere and counter cheers)-and T
e have some difficulty in maintaining our position there, am not sure that the people of England will be disposed to
was quite contrary ;to the rules of the house that he tion to speak on any other motion or order on the paper for to pay duty if found liable.
Mr. ATETON asked by what authority of law the look upon the present sentiments of the noble lord with
should refer to an answer given in a former debate. the day. The noble lord, however, now proposes to make The motion for adjournment was withdrawn.
(Ilear.) . another maitre He proposes to move the adjournment o'
. The original motion that the house at its rising adjourn t could send an ' t Id•
Governmen oruer o n ia to apply the that perfect indifference which he is so ready to extent to
revenue of tbat country to En •
glish purposes, in anticipa his noble and right hon. friends. (Hear,' hear, ani
Mr. BENTINCK submitted to the decision of the the house at once, as an amendment to the motion before to Monday was agreed to. -
the chair.
tion of a vote from the house. laughter.) Is the noble lord performing the 'compact he
chair, but trusted the indulgence of the house would
THE LAMBETH ELECTION. Sir H. WILLOUGFIBY could not take the same sari- entered into with the country at the late election? Is the
Lord J. RUSSELL-No ; I said I might do so.
allow him to call attention to this very important sub-
war beine vireorously prosecuted ? Why it is no war t
Mr. WALPOLE-Well, certainly, upon that motion the Mr. INGHAM moved that Joseph Tredre, then in ens. gnine view of the finances of the country as the chancellor e, o
ject. The noble I)rd went on to say --(Cries of noble lord would not b • d 1 h tody of the Sergeant-at-Arms, be discharged w' h h
einor er ; ant as e cannot, there- it out pay- of the Exc equer, because lth h h bl 1 de • ' ' a
a oug the Chancellor of the all, according to t eno e or s mesen. account. (Cheers,
" Order," " Oilier.") fore, put himself in order by moving it, I submit that in ment of fees. The witness had now been, eenfined for four Exchequer had a surplus of two millions, yet that plu lauehter and counter cheers.) Are these hostilities beine
The SPEAKER again infurmed tbe hon. gentleman punning this debate, we are incurring the risk of falling days, and there appeared to be some mitigating circum- had been produced from a sixteen-penny income taxe.ur Thee carr*ied On vigorously ? There are, according to the noble'.
be was infringing the rule of the house. into gr. at irregularity. stances affectin,g his case,
income tax of this year would probably leave them in a lord, no troops there. Why, thevery issue on weich Parlia-
Mr. BENTINCK was at a loss how to introduce the Mr. MALINS remarked upon the injustice of continnine Mr. ROEBUCK thought that he deserved confinement a deficiency next year. As to the vote before the house, it ment was dissolved no longer exists, and for the noble lord
subject. The noble lord had minks a statement involving the discussien upon the noble lord's bill, seeing that man; few days longer. He would not, however, oppose the was a question upon which the house had no 0 • tetu to tell members of this house that he treats their
Odom o g p
questions of very great importance, and he trusted he members who took an interest in it had left the house under motion.
The faith of the country must be keen the money must ' opinions with indifference because .he is backed by the
would not be precluded from calling attention to it-- the impression that the subject could not be taken out of Agreed to.
be paid, and therefore it was of no use discussing it. He opinions of the people of England, when he is leaving the
its order STATE OF OUR DEFENCES. wished to know from what sources the expenses of send- People of England altogether in the lurch, is certainly to me
Mr. ROEBUCK-Suppose he said it. (Hear, and ' '
The SPEAKER-On the question of order, I must, in On the motion for going into committee of supply, ing the reinforcements to Inlia would be provided ? most extraordinary. (tlear.) And what is the second
laughter )"
the first place, remind the house of the extreme incotiv • Mr. BENTINCK called attention to the observations Th CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER •
,in reply to P ,
oint in the noble lord's observations? It was a ch rge
Mr. BENTINCK would suppose or imagine that the epee of the course which has been pursued this eveniennel- he had already made upon this subject ; said that his the heon. member for the Tower Ha Its (Mr. Ayrtote against a member o ecom
fth inittee for havi a
ngunnecessarily
noble lord said that he did not think it necessary to call All kinds of topics bave been discussed upon the motion* statements had not been referred te bY the noble berd, and said the President of the Board of Comntreol had full autho'. drageed the China question into our debate to-night. Why
out the militia, as they were under no apprehension of that the house at its rising do adjourn till Monday next ; concluded by saying that as nothing had transpired to alter rity to send distinct supplies to the authonties in India, we Cave here a vote of 400,000*. to defray the expensesthat
any disturbance to the peace of Europe. He appealed and that course, I need scarcely remind hon. members, his views, he should at the earliest opportunity bring the end when those instructions were acted upon, the Indi„ have been incurred in the Chinese waters, and the noble
subject under the consideration of the house. revenue provided the expense. With regard to the expense lord says we are net to discuss the subject of Chine.
to the house, what would be the consequence cf carry- creates confusion in the discussions in this house that is
ing out such a doctrine, and in what a Position it would greatly to be deprecated. As regards the question which TON said that so
paLori PALMEItorSe
he
ho many questions had oe conveying troops to India, that would be Partially borne ! (Hear, anti oh, oh.) No doubt these discussions are incon-
piece the country. All the available force of the coun- has been addressed to the chair' by the hon. baronet the Deent brough Vine t
that he Met the motion for adjourn- by the East India Company and by the Home Govern- I veniont to the Governrnent, for the people must na,turally
member for Evesham (Sir H. Willoughby), I believe there naegeettohMe
sotn
atamy'ents of the ho
, e admitted, forgotten to meet. ; ask themselves why ara these hostilities with China not vi-
try was about to be sent to the East, yet at this very
ayo i ember, He could not mei GeimeinerGNE denied that the Government with-1 gorously prosecuted, and why is the vindication of the
cannot be any doubtthat no more imperative duty devolves 1
moment the snap of a pistol might place the country in ith theehon. gentleman inn'tilne
upon me than that of observing the order of business as a eiw. inking the country was which he had been connected had held that the mint,. honour of England, which, two months ago, from every
a position of antagonism with one of the most powerlul in rae deienceless state ; on the co
laid before the hoese in the votes for the day. Certainly, ntrary, he was of opinion nance of Herat ought to be held even to the extremity of hustings in the kingdom we were told was necessary, fin-
nations of the continent. He appealed to the house that we were quite secure from an f d held that the ' nt and requisite-why is that delayed 9 (Hoar.)
Urn, arty: opifniroLse that es the noble lord has given notice wityhun orsteietno :tteck, let war. They ba t
nee maintenance of Herat was a porta , _
~
whether it wee right thet the country should be ien it come from where it might.
b ''t
c, of the noble lore in our *
evening it.is rather genie beyond the sr ailing out matter of impor a_e u: not ono of paranaount iinpor- Berause.the pea •y t _ . _ own possessions
without any means of defence ? Even in a mercantile Zorainug 1: fn r : l '
gu arity to anticipate that motion upon the the militia, he conceived that such a :teeg
p was wholly un. tan„, With regard to the proceedings in the East, al- -in an important par of own empire, has brought about
point of view, as a mere question of assurance, he asked question that the house at its rising do adjourn until Mon- necessary, and that its only effect would be to waste re though he agreed with the noble lord the member for Lon. a state of affairs which calls for the exercise of all those
tbe noble lord whether it was wise to leave this country day next. (Hear.) ledge sum of money, and Put the country to a great deal if don that they were flagitious proceedings yet hAving been energies to support our rule over that Part of our own em-
at the mercy of the firat comer who might think it worth Lord J. RUSSELL said, with respect to the point of very serious inconvenience. (Hear ) When the hon. gen- commenced they must be proceeded with.,Asto iheCeinese pire which were required for vindicating our honouree
while to attack it. It was not by such false economy order, in the course of this very evening hon. membere on tlen3an brought the matter beforo the house he trusted that affair it would be recollected that the whole case of the China. (Loud ch,,,reer..t.)„,,,,„ ,
that the noble lord could expect to retain the nublic sup- the opposite side of the house had entered into questions he should be able te meet the remarks which the hen, iercha the Arrow rested upon the fact of the British gag Viscount PALAI-Ereolien-l- must really take leave te
port he had acquired. which more properly belonged to the committee of supply. member might see fit to make, flying at the time, and from information he had received congratulate the right hon. gentleman on his belligerent in-
Mr. HORSM AN said lie was told that an expression His right hon. friend the First Lord of the Admiralty hail THE INDIAN QUESTION. from British authority he found that the British flag was tention. (Heir.) I accept it with great pleasure, and shall
reprehended the practice of debating such matters on the Lord J. RUSSELL took the opportunity of explaining not gyine at the time stated. He thought that the house count on his support when the action of these operations
fell fione him just now wifich, if left unexplained, might
be liable to misconstruction. It seemed to be supposed rtiritfehri adjornmeet, and immediately afterwards fon that the right hon, gentleman, the member for Bucking. was entitled to aik for full information on the subject now. shall crown the wishes he so ardently expresser,. I can
that something he said rather reflected on the conduct ritwye,(it wams sneol w
oinlyvinfgairbeetzamdselendhobnykral,ehith anitho- Ittntsilileirteh(oMur;hputreaeli),
t7:risappreltended him in supposing With regard to threaccsouots n'hich_ had been presented assure the rigllnt hti)nn.trentlemearn
0110611Wrsielltret
obi:.decistarpzi)cilii tale.
of the two hon. members who served with him on the state that he had a practical object in view, froma wohwiech Itie was not a fit'subjecioure sd Isoonusosfi
ott e. !seize et nhte sitlate
are fdl
wo daisa
lurPooutld tnhoets eh
et roalrilos aweetr
tno ,p
oheee i
ns itnocaerperl eo ice tdreunstt.e dii
et hr
ea t
retthteeyd
pWe
oepal
ereopf ntr s Ts
h gcountry,Pareld lam happy toj Mid the hon.
Bath election committee ; but what he meant to say would not be diverted. The practical object was,' supposing that at the moment, the affair taking the shape of a miii: to find that the Chancellor of the Exchequer was ggetting gentleman, so ardently desires-(Hear, and laughter)-
was that, after engaging in a long and tedious inquiry, the house consented to his bringing in the bill, would the tary revolt, the first thing to be done was to put it down ; habituated to this sort of thing, for he said that next he namely, redress for injuries and the vindication of honour.
they might be excused if their memory was defective on -First Lord of the Treasury agree to set apart a Go- afterwards there ought no doubt, to be aserious discussion might have to come to the house to ask for moro money for But we thought it was best to follow the usual course of
some slight matter of fact. In saying that, he had not vernment day for its consideration ? (Hear, hear.) It of the matter. He doubted, however, whether Monday India. Now that was alarming, because if next year he international negotiation, and to apply in the first place to
the smallest idea or intention of casting any reflection was obvious that unless that were done, there was next was not too soon to enter upon that discussion, came for money it would, as in the present case, be a mat- the government of the country by whose agents the injury
en their conduct. , no chance of the bill going up to the House of L0r,13
RAILWAYS IN INDIA. ter of account and not of estimate. He objected to the had'been committed for that redress, before proceeding to the
this session and then Mr Dillw n's • w
motion h ou ld be principle laid down by the Chancellor of the Exchequer, extrembety ofiladi;inZhbe hon..getirOldetT:(l? nee itr:' tile:
Mr. WATKIN called attention to the deficiency of
Mr. DILLW ITN, replying to Mr. Newdegate'a br-ou ht foAvard, which .•
h Y that a surplus was to be taken as a ways and means: The the
question, said it was with regret that he could not give seriogns collision with the Hmo
ilfsetd nzoorl -se.
d (igeara)usistiwn sa railways in India,
.and moved a resolution affirming the
W h emit Ijeceotmplained of welausgmlynright hon. frniend la , member.
necessity of extension. He argued that if the arterial practice of Parliament tevtli: t
n :Apht:ay weits in
,atney
the hon. gentleman any satisfactory information as to therefore, veell worth their while that they should have Iti r d for Oeford University reviving the question of the lorcha.
communication in India had been put into operation some giveh year to the extr . .
t t Plice' I lI t complain of the subject of China being intro-
the day when he should bring on his motion relative to answer to his question ; and, to afford the noble lord an that which appeared to be growing in o a sys cm, t e pre- cou cno
years ago, it would have overawed the mutineers, and • • h •ng that it was the subject of the vote.
the oath of abjuration. The day must depend upon the opportunity of giving it, he would conclude with v"
senting in t e shape of account after ehe fact estimates for duced, seer h . l .
nio Ing there would never have been the disasters which had re- n previously brought under Lord LOVAINE thoug tit wou d have been well if tho
course the house would take upon the bill proposed to " that this house do now adjourn."
money which should have bee
contly occurred. During the list fourteen years England British authorities in China had thought it necessary to
be brought in ley Lord John Russell. Mr. T. DUNCOMBE thought the noble lord was in had become a perfect rid• f 1 • the control of Parliament.
8 while •
tree ° ral way , Ammica apply to the Government before commencing hostilities,
Sir C. WOOD deprecated the practice of introducing error when he said he had a wrong to complain of on the had extended commugnic M ' NGLES said that in the demand which hal been
r. MA
anon to a similar degree, and bombardine a defenceless town within 12 hours
instead of __ o _ .
crosa questions upon the motion for adjournment. The part of his constituents. There was nothing on the jo t •
ur- ye 111 India during that tirne incl eV
n mg those tram- made the house was only called upou te pay its debts.
of the first demand for redress, and destroying hundreds of
bon. and gallant member for Norfolk had raised the irn- nals of the house, there was no record to show that a fourth ways dignified by the name ofi r' •1
al way, only 330 miles of Whether the East India Company was in embarrassment
lives, and he know not how much property. (Oh, oh.)
portant question of the defences of the coon try ; but he member was returned for the City of London, because zailway communication had been opened. He thought that tth 1 ked for the payment of a debt which
Or DO , ey OD y as
ir C WOOD had already stated that he did not believe
eubm• Baron Rothschild bad not attempted during eithe h• They asked for no interest- ' S •
was honestly due to them. •
tb • n truth in the t
itted that the subject of our national defence w rtis or evil would have been prevented if com •
panties generally had ere eas a y s ory of the bombardment of a
far too large and i s as the last Parliament to take his seat. How then could it be had the ewer of constrectin • (1 u hter)-and if tho house bad borrowed the money else•
mportant to be discussed incidentally said that one of the members for the Cit p g railways, instead of the pri- a g haee aid i t t In h defenceless town, and he had within the last fortnight re-
uleen a mere motion f d• yof London was vilege being confined to a few favoured c n trio.' Ifthere where they would have had to
.. p n eres . t it .
d • letter from Sir M Seymour, stating that it was
or a journmeno (Hear, hear.) unable to take his seat ? They bad no right to assu b' b .1 • -ern' a- ' - enee 1t h ' t. in India, he was happy to say ceive a
With regard to the me a i een a proper rai way communication the tree s fro regan ot o insnrrec ion hh d b * dth t
not true thent l e
sizell ombarde o own of Canto!), on
friend opposite (Adq9e,ltion of his hon. and gallant what the house would do until he had made the attempt. Bombay to Delhi would have been on the spot ea thrP ce m
le, that it was conened exclusively to the troops, In the Pan-
gainst any bat public buildings.
him that the determrn Duncombe), he could assure It was quite possible that the house would decide dines- whereas, from the want of propertransit et leasit thieteydaey' jaub, our most recent acquisition, the people were emi-
tiOTwanj csaluteer cheersa
be referred was novae
taolon of the Admiralty to which nen,. to the former house, and he therefore thought the would be consumed in the transit. The hon. genrtie a.' u nentle loyal. So far from the public credit having been (
Lerd LOVAINE unite books el ly h ed that there
not without due. consideration, memher should colee to the talleie before elle' further step quoted largely Mom the evidence of Mr. Mangles, the Tel!
p sinking in India, of the last five per cent. loan 7 less than
was a regular b b d t ( ear
- 8 uw
N )
nor without every p •
ern ar men . Hear, hear and o.
oint that could be urged either one was taken, e Let Beron Rothsc lid come to the table rule sent Chairman of' the East India Company, before Mr. 470,000/. was subscribed in throe weeks. The oss by the
Mr. ROEBUCK-Will th 'e ' I
e rieht hon. gent eman pro-
was or the other being full
'd not exceed 200,000/., and he
sleeked, and therefore he take the oaths in the manner most blunt).- on his
~ _ e . con- Bright's committee in 1845, in support of the principle he plunder of the treasure di
duce that letter ? (Hear.) --
di I not think that any recyonwe ''s
blieed k
ideration ience omittinz the words, On th • •
of the matter se- ..' , - • e true faith of a advocated, namely, that the railway system should be ex i hoped that the company would not be o.e to ma e any .
Sir C. WOOD-The letter I refer to is a private letter -
would lead to a different re 11 b
suit. lie was h Christian,' and then it wou .. e campetent for any hoo. ti d • Ind'a dth e d 'th el' f•••i. ' re uisition in Eneland.
en! ein . i, an e 9 urbe e. pcu tar acilities el_ i_ gave (Oh, oh, and laughter)-from Sir M. Seymour, but I will
obliged to his bon. and gallant friend fo ' , owever,
gentleman to move a resolution to the effect, that 'levier, Tho Chaim 11 ; f the Exchequer then rose, bat
e which India offered for ran way extension, both with re- e 0 0 bring it down on Monday night, and shall have no objec-
rtunity of stating the greund
oppo r giving him the
a upon vvhich the d taken the oaths in the form most bineing on his conscience gird to the cheapness of construction and the facility of ob_ way to tem to road the ara er to the
termination was COMO to. It was perfectl t ei he should be immediately eligible to take his seat. (Hear.s taining material. Ther e hfi 'Lord J- RUSSELL, who said that as he had not hoard p graph relating to this matt
e was no doubt rom t e rst the house. (Hear.)
e nue that
statement,he wished to teen-
Lone of the ships of the line now in co Ile voted for such resolution in a former Parliament, and courseitakeelb th E t I cl.
y e as n ran government had bsen oteof his right hon. friend's former .
Several members here ros t k -Lord LOVAINE
remission were h
d 1 t. Th
desire au exp ana ion. ere 3 o spea -
calculated to carry troops to China, though they w .er was quite ready to support it now. great obstructivenessto the construction °frail ways in India tion some points on which he , ,
i mixing np the discussion on amongst them-but
perfectly well calculated for the coast defences - ere
of the Mr GP IFFIT
THE ISTHMUS OF SUEZ. The hon. member referred to the opinion expressed on the was e °Me inconvenience -n et
e EI, pursuant to notice, then rose to call subject by Mr. Robert Stephenson. The East India Corn- three subjects of such impor . 1 h h ld • fi Mr. DISRAELI caught the chairman's eye--He said,
ance, an. aa ou GOD ne
country. Most of the ships were block ships which th •
e attention of the house to the est'on whether in their an had ohos t
qu i , p y en o put the surveillance of those companies himself to China. He would no en er in
t t 'to the question of he did not sup th tl 'n that house
pose ere was any gen eman i
served in the Baltic, or steam ships powerfully armed, deliberat •
e opinion it be conducive to the honour or the in the bands of mili
, . tary engineers, and had sought to in- ,
• the morality or justice of the proc .0.
eedirrYs there ; they had who doubted the word of another. (Hear, hear). He was
' d by the right hon. gentleman sure that no one who had sat any titue in the house with
livable of moving about the coast of either intereds of this coimt •
ry that we should manffeet awl avow 1 terfere in everyminute detail con .tl '
necto with the formation Teen Prelee•
sly characteriee
our own or any neighbouring country, but they the existence of a jealous hoitilit on our part to the ren lof the lines' I t'u-r. Gladsts neb bat he wished to learn something with the right hon. gentleman could suppose that he was cap-
e one case th.e engineer of the company ,
dt th t f h hostilities now being carried on able of any gross equivocation. But he (Mr. Disraeli)
Were not calculated for long voyages. No better ject of a ship canal through the ith f S Ph Ih d "t' ' 1 egar o ena ure ot e ,
s mus o uez ;orw e. a posi ive.y refused to sanction a line running alone the r rove of the war sh uld a •te monstrous
ther, on th
, _ 0 dd that he thought it would be qui
at. Canton ; for however he might c weep
ships could bo employed for the defence of harbours
with the e contrary, it would not be more in accordance ! valley of the Ganges, and one of its tribute y strobe s t t bo ' t tement on
mreaanti..- tat a minister should make an import,atnt
or rivers, but they could not be made available for trans- seek to incetqaeter for disinterested impartiality which we I where the gradients were lin 1,009, the averrarie on mthe he still wiahed the reputation of thee
ocouudiaorretitieoe
the
Os awhich the
porting troops from one side of the world to the other. prejudice, to ailen,dief t•e were to leave that subject, without London and Birmingham being lin 350. The cense- tai ned. It appeared that the Engli h
hostilities keenest Cau- ri ht all thorny of a document like till;
inh
was not on
No doubt there were first and second class steam ships, ing difficulties whicaht with
hy
ehe physical and engineer. qnence of having the line made a perfectly dead line ter apted some time i 9 October last ow
_n
_ea g on. gentleman had referred, w
el it, the table of the house. It was a rule of the house
surround 3ts ex • 9
ecution. bad been to cause the erecti to' a but from that time up to the latest accoun i
on of huge water huts and • , • h could impress the authozi- that every coininu • tion made to a minister, whe-
line-of-battle ships, indeed, lying in ordinary That might Lord PALMERSTON-With
be employed for the transport of troops, but there were my noble friend, all I can say is %lard to the question of water courses to carry off the water from the line which itc.thing had been done whic
of the necessity of yielding tiler of a oblio nice
rivate character, which was
other services besides the trans ort service to be pro- the house would, as nsatter of cOurtet of cohurse I presume runs over the i addy fields. He trusted, therefore, that her ti 98 at Canton with any sensetrary
we had retreated from used .to inflPuence opeirnioan, P should be produced. If that
vided for. The men i P nions of hon. members may be on the sqyii wt. atever the opi- Majesty's Mi isters would devote their earnest anti most to our demands. On the con _ s
a,go.
The accounts from rule were not observed a mit later weuld enjoy a manifest
n the navy had not yet been re-
tb .e position we held some moetenrne
allow serioes attention to tho construction and completion of the there was not suffi- and unfair advanta ' 1 duct of th ir discussions,
duced to the number voted b Par]. tad as to- my noble friend leave to bring in his bilel! 'Wthearife*
gerd to arterial s ste
y mof railways in India. (Hear, hear.) The th ence stated that the naval f ge in til con
night he should ask the houseYto voltaern2e3 ' n giving him a day afterwards, he must censide de at, nor of a nature fit to en orc .
f e our demands, and that because he raight at any iuoment quote fur his purposes a
00 more men
are many very important matters r that there hon member next roc ed d t
p e e o refer to the obstacles which
still under discussi, • . niilitar fr w e uired, which should take the paper which was utterly unknown to other members. It
for the service probably h • '
, t e explanation he was now the house-that our days are, as I may say; n in in had been placed iu the way of the construction of the Mad- a- . yoceas r q h .
ty itself aud hold them was only the other evenin th t the right hon. gentleman
g a
heig, its above Canton and te ci , ,
giving woeild have come better when the got into c in- umbered ; ras Railway. The system of routine required to be com
and that the .
refore it is impossible for me - '
hese demands were granted. 1 wodor three nights the President of the Board of Control endeaven,ree
eto prove
rnittee. He was going to ask for this y t f e o , until the public plied with in India was such as if adopted in this count - until a.
0 discus-
o m n to re de '
business shall.advance in amo eided
royi. i . ego the
inoble lord the Prime Minister sta.te thht the troops hes case by appealing to a private letter durele h
enable him to send a squadron to the Ivnedeia manner, to stete woul i effectually put an end to progress. -In the case
re uired in India, and that non on the important motion of the hon. anu earned mem-
n Ocean- that e can give to any hon. member a day for any bll th ' • tiespatcnohl to China would be g _ . e
and if he obtained the vote the very v 1 •h •
eine s whic it was which he may t in
w eh• k fit to I * • I f th - 1
meg in, ear at anewei e Scinde liailw‘y there existed the same obstacles on the I
, part of the East India Company. A yore' large amount on I inietructiene bad been sent to Lor , g
d re m tor thom to pro- ber for Slaelfleld. e" Not a prink) letter "--frona Ilr. V.