The Sun.
London, England, 1859-04-06 00:00:00

INDIAN LOAN.

Earl GREY asked when it was intended to proceed with
this bill, and also asked for some information with respect
to the military expenditure in India.
The Earl of ELLENBOROUGH hoped that the bill
would not be hastily hurried forward.
The Earl of DERBY said he thought it would be con-
venient to take the second reading- of the bill on Thursday
next, after which he would move the suspension of the
standing orders, so that the bill might receive the Royal
assent on Monday next.
RECREATION GROUNDS BILL.
This bill, after a few observations-from Lord WYNFORD,
was read a second time.
PATENTS FOR INVENTIONS (MUNITIONS OF
WAR) BILL.
This bill passed through committee:,_

COMIVIO RIGHTS BILL.

This bill passed through committee.
MANSLAUGHTER BILL.

This bill was read a third time and passed.
Their lordships then adjourned.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.—(YESTERDAY
The SPEAKER took the chair at four o'clock.
PRIVATE BUSINESS,

The following bills were read a third tine and

passed :
Border Counties Railway and Vale of Neath Railway.
The following bills were considered and ordered for third
reading :—Atlantic Telegraph Company (No. 2) ; Brecon
and Merthyr Tydfil Junction Railway ; Castle Douglas
and Dumfries Railway ; Charleston Railway and Harbour ;
Forth and Clyde Navigation; Gateshead Quay; Great
North of Scotland Railway; and Merthyr, Tredegar, and
Abergavenny Railway.
The following bills were read a second time :—Belfast
and Londonderry Junction Railway; Cork and Kinsale
Junction Railway ; People's Provident Assurance Society ;
and Tralee and Killarney Railway.
The Indian and Australian Telegraph Company (No.
2) Agreements, Scc., Bill went through committee, and was
ordered for third reading.

PETITIONS.
Petitions were presented praying for a Continuation of the
Ecclesiastical Courts in Ireland ; against the Registry of
Lands Bill ; in favour of the admission of Dissenters to the
same privileges as members of the Church of England, in
reference to endowed charities, &c.
PUBLIC BUSINESS.
-

Colonel PATTEN wished to ask the chairman of com-
mittees whether he would propose the same resolution that
he had done previous to the dissolution of 1857 with
reference to bills which were before committees, as several
gentlemen engaged on those committees were anxious to
return to their constituencies. (Laughter.)
Mr. FITZROY said he intended to move the resolution
in question to-morrow.
VOTE BY BALLOT.
Mr. H. BERKELEY gave notice that on Tuesday
evening next he would bring under the consideration of the
house the subject of vote by ballot. (Hear, hear, and
laughter.)
THE PHCENIX CLUB MEMBERS.
Captain D. O'CONNELL asked the Attorney-General
for Ireland whether it was a fact, as stated by
several of the Irish journals, that at the late
trial at Tralee of Daniel Sullivan, accused of
being a member of the Phcenix Society, the 11 Roman
Catholic persons who were called and answered, were
directed to stand by" by the Crown, and that one of the
persons so excluded was a magistrate of the county of
Kerry, appointed by the present Lord Chancellor of
Ireland ?

Lord NAAS said that he had received a communication
from the Solicitor-General for. Ireland on the subject, but
he was not in a position to state whether the announce-
ments made in the Irish newspapers were correct or not.
PUBLIC BUSINESS.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved
that the Government orders of the day should have prece-
dence of notices of motion on this and all subsequent days
until the end of the session.
THE MAYNOOTH GRANT.
Mr. SPOONER said he would postpone his motion,
which stood on the paper relative to the house going into
committee to consider the act relative to the endowment of
the College of Maynooth, with a view to the repeal of the
charge on the consolidated fund. He withdrew the motion
solely from the state of business in the house, and not from
any alteration of opinion on the subject, for he still consi-
dered that the grant in question was opposed to the spirit
of a Protestant country like England.

ROMAN CATHOLIC OATHS BILL.
The order for the second reading of this bill was dis.
charged.
ADULTERATION OF FOOD AND DRINK BILL.
The order for the second of this bill was discharged.
CHURCH-RATES ABOLITION BILL.
The order for going into committee on this bill was dis
charged.

SUPERANNUATION BILL.
The house went into committee on this bill.
On clause 13,
Mr. BLACK moved the following amendment:—" But
in the case of those who entered the public service previous
to the passing of this act if they shall be proved fully com-
petent to discharge the duties of their office, although they
shall be permitted to retire at sixty-five years of age, it
shall not be compulsory on them to retire till they had com-
pleted their seventieth year." He did not consider that
when a man was competent to discharge his duty he should
be compelled to retire from office merely because he had
attained an age when some men might be unfitted for
official duties.
Colonel NORTH agreed with the hon. member for Edin-
burgh, and suggested the following alteration in the clause
in line 27 : leave out from " receive" to the end of the
clause, and add " The full superannuation allowance which
could be granted by the act under which he entered the
service, for the service which he shall then have completed,
and in addition thereto the allowance under this act for
each year's service beyond the quinquennium."
Mr.WILSON supported the clause as it originally stood.
The house divided, and the numbers were—
For the original clause 147
Against • • O 129

-Majority against the amendment
Mr. STEWART moved an addition to the clause.
The house divided, and the numbers were—
For the amendment
Against
Majority ----153
Sir S. NORTHCOTE moved the following proviso to
the clause :—" Provided that this enactment shall not ap-
ply to persons holding any of the offices mentioned in the
schedule to this act, it shall be lawful for the Commissioners
of her Majesty's Treasury, by order or warrant, under the
hands of any two or more of them, to add to the said
schedule any other office or offices which now exist, or
may be hereafter created or established, the nature
and functions of which shall render its or their exclusion
from the operation of the said enactment desirable ; in every
which order or warrant the reasons for adding such office
shall be stated ; and a copy of every such order or warrant
shall be laid before Parliament within one month after the
making thereof, if Parliament be then sitting, and if not,
then within one month after the next sitting of Parliament."
Sir F. BARING wished to know whether it was in-
tended to exclude commissioners and heads of boards.
Sir S. NORTIICOTE said it was intended to exclude
those officers.

Sir G. LEWIS called attention to the schedule, which,
he thought, was imperfect. The Under-Secretaries of State
and the Assistant-Secretary of the Treasury were named,
but there was the Assistant-Secretary of the Admiralty,
who should fall within the same rule. There were also fac-
tory inspectors, prison inspectors, and other officers of that
kind, who should be excluded.

COlonel FRENCH urged the same point.
Mr. W. V.ANSITTART said a petition had been sent
by the masters of workhouses, praying that provision should
be made out of the rates for superannuation allowances to
them. He mentioned the matter that his hon. friend might
consider whether he could do anything.
Mr. J. D. FITZGERALD suggested that the bill
should be reprinted.
Sir S NORTHCOTE said the bill was not intended to
extend the compulsory retirement to officers of the class that
bad been referred to. He felt that the schedule was imper-
fect, and he would have the bill reprinted, and' would en-
deavour to specify a greater number of officers.
Sir G. LEWIS remarked that as the clause stood the
Treasury, having once issued a warrant excluding any offi-
cer, would have no power to vary it.
Sir S. NORTHCOTE said he should add the words
" from time to time."

eIaiiTURD objected to proceeding with so im-
portant a bill in the last hours of an expiring Parliament.
The clause was so objectionable that he intended to move
its rejection.
Mr. LABOUCHERE suggested that the consideration
of the clause be postponed for the present, and that in the
interval the Secretary of the Treasury should consider and
specify what offices should be included in the list of excep-
tions.

Mr. GLADSTONE joined in the suggestion. He was
afraid that, do as, they would, the committee would not be
able to get over the giving a discretionary power to the
Treasury; but he could see no reason, and he had heard
none, why the committee in legislating on a matter so deli-
cate should not insist on carrying specification to the utmost
point. (Hear.) Unfortunately, the clause had been drawn
on the opposite principle. He added, that at this moment
this was the last bill of all with which they ought to pro-
ceed in a hurry, seeing that it cor_nected itself more or less
with the electioneering interests of almost ever}* mentleman
on both sides of the house. (Het.) He also hoped before
the bill passed that the Secretary of the Treasury would be
prepared to give the house an estimate of the probable addi-
tion which it would cause to the public expenditure.
Mr. WILLIAMS objected to giving discretio ry na power
to the Treasury in this matter, for they would be sure to
abuse it. He had heard, but could not vouch for the state-
ment, that a person in a public office was about to retire to
make way for a friend of a member of the Government.
Sir S. NORTHCOTE said it was never the intention of
the Government to draw the clause with the view to giving
patronage to themselves. He would undertake to make a
schedule of excepted offices, and for that purpose, if it was
the wish of the committee, he would withdraw the clause for
the present, and bring it up on the report in another shape.
Mr. WILSON thought that the house might safely agree
to the clause.

Mr. WILLIAMS inquired whether officers of emigration
would be included.
Sir S. NORTHCOTE said that such of the officers of
migration as ,ere paid by the colonies would look to the
colonies for their superannuation, while those who were paid
by the Imperial Treasury would he included within the bill.
Mr. COGAN had strong Objections to the principle of
eempubory retirement, and would support a motion for the
rejection of this clause.
The CHANCELLOR of the. EXCHEQUER saicl that
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