The Sun.
London, England, 1861-11-22 00:00:00

TilE SUN, LONDON, FRIDAY EVENING, NOVEVII3ER, 22, 1861.

tutioEs. England happily possesses an elastic Con-'
stitution. Changes are gradually made—concessions
are granted when demanded by the people. I hope
that will continue to be the case. If the people
want Reform they will have it, but they will not get
it if they do not demand it. (Hear, hear.) Permit
me now to say a few words on foreign questions.
Here I must naturally speak with some reserve,
but at least I may fearlessly say that the foreign
' policy pursued by the present Government has been
in accordance with the opinions and wishes of
the people of England. (Cheers.) So far, at any
rate, as its foreign policy is concerned, the Govern-
ment has the support of the country. I shall in a
few words tell you why. We have at the head of

the Government Lord Palmerston. Whatever his
views may be on matters of domestic policy, Lord
Palmerston has made the name of England respected
and honoured throughout tho whole civilised world.
(Cheers.) He is undoubtedly the greatest Foreign !
Minister this country ever had. He is the only man
whose name is connected abroad with a system of
English foreign politics. During a long and bril-
liant career he has maintained the honour and dig-;
nity of England. He has preserved her rights,
has raised her, as far as her foreign relations are
concerned, to the highest pinnacle of fame. (Cheers.)
At the head of the Foreign Office at this moment
you have Lord Russell. He has always represented
the Liberal party. His opinions upon politics are
well known. He is essentially a Liberal among
Liberals, and his opinions, which have been dis-
played in reforming our institutions, are now
applied in carrying out our policy abroad. Tat
policy, it appears to me, is founded upon two very
distinct principles—first, non-intervention in the
affairs of other countries, allowing every people to
dl what it chooses with its own ; and, secondly,
giving the moral support and sympathy of England
to those nations which are endeavouring to estab-
lish their liberties by means of institutions in con-
formity with our'own. (Hear, hear.) A foreign
policy based upon those two principles will always
deserve and receive the support of the people of
England. Has the present Government observed

these principles in its foreign policy ? I venture to
say it has. Let me turn to Italy. See what that
country has done within the last few years—l may
almost say within the last few months. Within
two years Italy, so long a down-trodden country,
despairing, without hope, without a future,
has become a great and united kingdom. It
has become a kingdom which, ere long,
may place itself among the great Powers of the
world. It is wonderful to see what has been
done within the last few months,—railways
opened and in progress all over the Peninsula ;
a mercantile fleet as well as a navy in a state of
rapid development ; freedom of speech almost from
the Alps to the Adriatic, freedom of worship about to
be established. (Cheers.) It is true that something
is wanting to complete the picture, and make Italy
perfectlyhappy and prosperous, but that something
will be obtained hereafter, if the statesmen of Italy
only persevere in the wise, prudent, and moderate
course they have hitherto pursaed. I do not believe
that it is possible that any nation can be kept for
long out of rights which are incontestably its own.
But at the same time we do not interfere. We say

to Italy, "You have our sympathy; free institutions
will always have our moral support, but anything
more we cannot and will not give. We think you
are unwise in asking it, for no nation deserves
liberty which has not conquered liberty for itself."
(Cheers.) I believe the moral support we have given
to Italy has donemore than armies could have done.
It has encouraged her and enabled her to place
herself in her present proud position, and she
will be grateful for it hereafter. (Cheers.) We
have done all this, too, without adding
millions to our debt, or bringing misery to a single
English home. (Hear, hear.) I say the Govern-
ment which has done that deserves the gratitude of
the people. (Cheers.) The same policy has been
pursued with respect to the American question. It
is sad to think that our brethren on the other side
of the Atlantic have not appreciated our policy.
They have mistaken us altogether; they have
thought that we have shown a want of sympathy
with them. I do not believe it. What has been
the conduct of the House of Commons? Last ses-
sion there was certainly no lack of sympathy for
America. Nobody ventured to bring the subject
before the House. When Mr. Gregory, the mem-
ber for Galway, impelled by a sense of public duty,
wished to bring it on, he was implored by a mem-
ber of the Opposition not to do so. Everybody
felt as if it were a domestic calamity, and people
spoke of it with bated breath. It is to be regretted
that the thoughtless words of a thoughtless young
man, uttered in the heat of debate, should have led

the American people to believe that we do not sym-
pathise with them. England does sympathise with
them, and why ? Because we know that slavery is
at the bottom of the struggle, and has led to it.
(Hear, hear.) 1 think we err when we judge the
American people by the fact that abolition has not
been proclaimed. To proclaim abolition at once
would have been impossible. You could not at once
liberate 4,000,000 of slaves, and if you did it might
lead to domestic catastrophes too horrible to be con-

emplated. But what was the ground upon which
he separation took place ? It was the wish of the
North to prohibit the introduction of slavery into
what are called the Territories, with the view of lead-
ing to its gradual extinction in the Southern States.
That was the question upon which the great con-;
test for the Presidentship took place, upon which
Mr. Lincoln was elected, and which has led to the
present lamentable war. lam not here to discuss whe-
ther North or South be right. We have said we will
not interfere. To say that because we have recog-
nised the Southern States as belligerents therefore
we have recognised them as an independent State
is absurd. We could not help recognising them as
belligerents. How could we be prepared to treat
12,000,000 of people as pirates ? Even the North
has found it impossible to do so, and has been
obliged from the very nature of things to do as we
have done. (Hear, hear.) Let the Americans settle
their own quarrels. All we can hope is that when
this terrible contest has an end, whatever that end
may be, tho liberty, happiness, and freedom of these
magnificent States may not be impaired. (dear.)
We know that the interruption of communication
with the Southern States may lead to deplorable
results in this country. Thousands—nay, millions
—of our people are anticipating great misery and.
distress; and yet, with all that suffering in pro
spect, not a single petition has been addressed to
any member of the Government in favour of break-
ing the blockade or doing an illegal act. (Cheers.)
I,'say, then, that the conduct both of the people of
England and the House of Commons has been noble
conduct, and the time will come when the wise and
good men of America—and there are many such in
the States—will acknowledge that in confining our-
selves to expressions of sympathy we have adopted
the policy best calculated to assist them in their
terrible struggle. (Hear.) But I wish you to under-
stand that, while we proclaim the principle of non-
intervention, we are resolved to make the rights of
Englishmen respected throughout the :world, and
to resent outrages committed on the persons of
English subjects. It is upon such grounds that we.
have recently entered into a 'convention for taking
possession of the ports of Mexico. Words cannot
describe the atrocities which have been committee
in Mexico upon the persons of English subjects. A
respectable gentleman named Beale was recently
murdered in cold blood, not with the view of get-
ting hold of his property, but out of pure hatred to
'foreigners. In the same way a beautiful young
'Roman was put to death. No redress could be got
(from the Government. You have all heard, per-
haps, how the agents of the Government brake
into the British Legation, and carried away a large
sum of money, the property of English subjects.
Are we to tolerate these things? What would be
thought of the English Government if they were to
allow English subjects to be outraged in that man-
ner? I see that some members of the Opposition
have been endeavouring to make political capital
out of this Mexican expedition. One of them said
'debts of English subj
eoetts. going That,t
the other day that the English Government were
'going to send a force to Mexico to collect the bad
labsurdity. We are n
English traders must take their own risks; but we
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are going to obtain redress fo to fc
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on English subjects and English property. (Cheers.)
We disclaim all wish to interfere in the government
of the country; we repudiate all selfish objects;
what we hope is that the Mexican people may find
means to establish a Government sufficiently strong
to maintain order and fulfil its engagements with
foreign powers. (Hear.) A few words more and I
have done. I have heard it said there has been a
Tory reaction in this country. I very much doubt
whether that is so. , There may have been a reac-
tion against certain extreme opinions, but that is
not a Tory reaction. At the same time it is not im-
possible that a Tory Government may sometimes be
a good thing for us It may show us, for example,
the great advantage of a Liberal Government. An
alderman should eat mutton broth once or twice a
week if for no other purpose than to increase his
relish for turtle and punch. So let us have a little
Tory mutton now and then to enhance our appre-
ciation of Liberal soup. (A laugh.) Some people
may think that a little experience of that union of
Church and State which has recently been so ear-
nestly advocated by a distinguished defender of the
faith might be useful in persuading us to continue
our efforts for the freedom of religion. (A laugh.)
But I do not believe that a reactionary Govern-
ment is possible for any length of time. (Hear,
hear.) The people are now on the road of pro-
gress. They will not suffer anything to cheek the
wheel; they must go on; they must obtain a
share in the administration of our own affairs. I
believe they will soon obtain it. The Government
have been liberal in their foreign and in their colo-
nial policy ; it is not possible, when the proper time
comes, that they will not pursue a liberal policy in
domestic affairs. With that conviction I have ac-
cepted office, and in doing so I believe I have
neither renounced my opinions, broken my pledges,
nor neglected your interests. I have always endea-
voured to secure your approbation, and I hope I
shall continue to deserve it. (Loud cheers.)
Several questions were then put to the hon. gen-
tleman, in reply to which he stated that he had no
doribt the Government would apply the principle of
non-intervention to the affairs of Hungary and Po-
land, though they would everywhere give sym-
pathy and moral support to oppressed peoples
struggling for their freedom. He also stated that
he was favourable to economy in the public expen-
diture, but thought that, considering the present
aspect of affairs, we could not safely revert to the
estimates of 1846.

A vote of confidence in Mr. Layard was moved
by Dr. Rendle, seconded by Mr. Harris, and carried
with acclamation. The meeting then separated.

DESPERA7B TRAGEDY IN DUBLIN.

MURDER OF TWO CHILDREN BY THEIR
FATHER.

One of the most fearful tragedies that ever oc-
curred in this country took place on Wednesday, in
the house No. 25, South Cumberland-street, Dublin.
Two helpless infants—one two years old and the
other three years—were brutally and barbarously
murdered by their own father. The perpetrator of
this foul crime is John Molloy, a waiter out of
place, and the victims were his two sons, William
and Arthur. It appears that Molloy had been in
several excellent situations in the capacity of butler,
and from the papers found in his possession he bore
an excellent character. The last place he filled
was the situation of waiter in the Shelbourne
Hotel. He left this place on the 14th of Septem-
ber, and since then he has not been employed.
About twelve months since he prevailed on his wife,
who is a very good-looking young woman, to give
up an excellent situation which she held in a gen-
tleman's family residing in Leeson-street. At that
time Molloy told her that his earnings would be
quite sufficient to support her and her children.
But since September last he and his family were
day after day getting deeper into distress. He had
to pawn nearly all his clothes and furniture, and
was reduced to the greatest distress at the time he
committed the terrible crime of which he stands ac-
cused. The house 25 South Cumberland street, is one
of those old-fashioned substantial structures of which
there are many in the locality. It is four stories
high, and in the top front room Molloy and his
family resided. It was generally remarked that he
was a sober man, and very industrious up to a recent
period. He became ill in the commencement of the
present month, and took to his bed on the Bth inst.,
and never since left his wretched home until he was
brought out of it in custody, charged with the
brutal murder of his two infant children, and with
having attempted to murder his wife and sister-in-
law. An infant daughter of his is at present in
charge of some relations at Bray.

Shortly after 10 o'clock on Wednesday morning
Isabella Pye, sister-in-law to Molloy, called at the
lodgings of the prisoner for the purpose of seeing
his wife. He was sitting at the fire with nothing
on him but his shirt and an old horse rug. He asked
her some questions'relative to his shirt collars which
he had given to his mother-in-law to pawn. Isabella
Pye replied that she knew nothing about them.
Without receiving any provocation he seized a
poker and rushed at the woman, and struck her a
blow on the temple with it. Fearing that he was
going to murder her she made for the door, and suc-
ceeded in making her escape down stairs. He next
attacked his wife in a furious manner, and struck
her two terrible blows on the head. Nearly stunned
and covered with blood, she made for the door,
when her husband sought to intercept her, but
fortunately he was not in time before she gained
the lobby. It appears that when his wife and
sister-in-law had gone Molloy locked himself into
the room, where his two children were sitting in
a corner. This was th€ time, it is supposed, that he
availed himself of to commit the murder of his two
unoffending and helpless infant children. Police-
constable Walsh, 117 B, went to Molloy's, without
delay, for the purpose of taking him into custody.
On arriving at the top of the stairs he saw Molloy
standing at his room door, and crying bitterly.
His hands were covered with blood. The constable
looked into the room, and a horrible sight presented
itself to his view. On the floor, at the right hand
side of the door, lay the youngest child, William,
in a pool of blood, with his head nearly severed from
his body, and about four feet distant from his bro-
ther lay Arthur Molloy, gasping and bleeding pro-
fusely from a terrible gash in his throat. The per-
petrator of this fearful crime continued to weep, and,
standing over the infant that still lived the miser-
able man addressed the constable, and asked him
imploringly, "Can- you do anything for him P"
and wringing his hands, he said. " Oh, I am sorry
for what I have done." Constable Walsh lifted the
window and shouted for help. Police-constable
Murphy, N B, was promptly on the spot, and one
constable took charge of Molloy and of the body of
the murdered child, while the other went to Dr.
Sweeney's with the infant Arthur, who was still
alive. Dr. Hughes, Westland-row, and Dr. Bennett,
Holies-street, lost no time in doing all in their
power to save the life of the little sufferer, It was
found, however, that the windpipe and several of
the vessels of the neck had been divided, and it was
deemed necessary to send the child off at once to
Jervis-street Hospital, where everything that could
be done was tried to save him, but to no purpose,
and the poor little fellow expired shortly after two
o'clock. Nothing could exceed the scene of wretched-
ness and squalor which the room where this terrible
tragedy was enacted presented. In one comer was
a heap of dirty straw, covered with rags ; a small
deal table, on whiCh was some bread and butter and
coffee, stood before the fire-place. This table and a
stool were the only articles of furniture in the apart-
ment. A line, on which hung several small linen
articles, ran from one of the side walls to another.
The unwashed boards were smeared over with blood,
as were also portions of the surbases. The murdered
child (William) as he lay on the floor, looked as if
he were asleep. In consequence of the prisoner not
having any clothes to put on him a covered car was
procured to take him to the station. house. On his
arrival at Lad-lane station he was proceeding to
make some statement, when Mr. Inspector O'Connor
cautioned him that anything that he would say
would be used against .him. The prisoner replied
that he was aware of that, and for the remainder of
the night he maintained strict silence. He was then
formally charged with the attempt on his wife and
sister-in-law, and with the murder of his two chil-
dren. As he had no clothes an old coat had to be
provided for him before he could be taken for—

EXAMINATION AT THE HEAD,OFFICE.
On being placed in the dock he pre'.sented the most
wretched and abject appearance. He is about 27
years of age, and is below the middle height. He
is very sallow, and his face is long and thin. His
eyes are blue, and his hair and whiskers are a kind
of red brown, approaching foxy. He is not by any
means an ill•looking man, but there is an expres-
sion on his face of a rather sinister character.

The presiding magistrate (Mr. Allen) on hearing
a brief statement of the foregoing facts, directed.
Constable Walsh to make an information, embody-
ing what he knew of the occurrence. When the
information was perfected the magistrate decided
on sending the prisoner back to the station, to
await the result of the coroner's inquest, yesterday.
Daring the proceedings at the head office the
wretched man held down his head, and did not
make any remark. He was conveyed back to Lad-
lano station-house, where dinner was provided for

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him. He ate of it heartily, but did not exchange a
word with any person.
Mrs. Molloy and her sister are in Jervis-street
Hospital, where the body of the child remains.
Policemen are in charge of the bodFbr-William at
the lodgings of the prisoner in South CuMberland-
street.

LA IV INTELLIGENCE.—Nov. 21.

BANKRUPTCY COURT.
(Before Mr. Commissioner Evans.)

TILE BANK OF DEPOSIT, OR NATIONAL ASSURANCE AND

INVESTMENT ASSOCIATION.

A trader summons having been issued against the
above company, to-day was appointed for the hear-
ing. The summons was taken out under the Bank-
ruptcy Law Consolidation Act of 1849, and it was
directed to the company and to Mr Peter Morrison,
the managing director.
Mr. Roxburgh opposed for Mr. R. P. Harding,
the interim manager under the winding-up order
granted by the Master of the Rolls a few days ago;
Mr. Lawrence opposed on behalf of the association;
and Mr. Turner appeared for the creditor on whose
behalf the summons has been issued,

Mr. Turner, in support of the summons, stated
that it was issued under the 78th clause of the act ;
and the 276th, which was the definition clause, de-
fined the steps which were to be taken.
Mr. Roxburgh—That clause is repealed by the
new act. It is not law now.

The Commissioner—Are you going to show cause
against the summons ?
Mr. Roxburgh—l shall have no difficulty in doing
that. Under the 12th and 13th Vic. members of an
incorporated company are not liable to the Bank-
rupt Act. The company did not come within the
definition of traders, and therefore did not come
within the definition of the act in that case pro-
vided. This company was styled the National As-
surance and Investment Association. The company
had been recognised by a private act of Parliament
which they had obtained, They were established
in 1844, for receiving monies which were invested
in life assurance. The company did not even come
under the 7th and Bth Vic., and where the issue had
been tried of trader-debtor summonses against com-
panies they had invariably failed. This was an
experiment of that description.
Mr. Lawrance, for the company, followed on the
same side, and contended that by chap. 110 of the
Joint-Stock Companies Act this case could not be
considered to apply. He then referred to the fol-
lowing section, in which he said three modes were
open for persons making themselves bankrupts.
Firstly, it provided that the company might be made
bankrupt; secondly, a course was pointed out by
which such company might be made bankrupt.
Here it was sought to make Mr. Peter Morrison,
the managing director, liable. If Mr. Peter Morri-
son was so in his capacity of manager, then he was
so liable as a bankrupt, and he was liable under the
second section ; and the third section provides that
the company might make itself bankrupt. There
was a simple remedy open. If a judgment had
been obtained, why did they not serve a de-
mand on the company, as had been done in
the case of the European and Steam Shipping Com-
pany ? There was a course which could be pursued
as shown by that which was popularly known as
" the Royal British Bank section. Creditors always
had remedies. When an adjudication was made
against the Royal British Bank, it was annulled;
but a service of demand having been made, and, after
the expiration of thirty days, it remaining unsatis-
fied, adjudication took place. How could the whole
of the company appear to answer a trader-debtor
summons?

Mr. Turner, in reply, quoted several sections of
the act, and said it clearly was an association.
Mr. Lawrance—l never saw such a summons in
my life. It is addressed to the National Assurance
and Investment Association and Mr. Peter Morri-
son. It is not a banking association but a company.
We say the parties who you appear for are partners,
but I shall say no more about that at present, because
it remains to be decided hereafter.

Mr. Turner—Now Messrs. Lubbeck carry on busi-
ness as bankers next door. Suppose they were to
suspend payment, should I not be justified in serving
them with a summons as a banking association ?
Mr. Lawrance They are not a company.
(Laughter.)
Mr. Turner—The private act provides that in all
cases of default, &c., Mr. Peter Morrison may sue
as managing director, and therefore I contend that
the summons is in proper form. I urge that all
banking companies ought to be brought within the
operation of the act I have cited.
The Commissioner—l do not understand this sum-
mons at all. If you have a trader-debtor summons,
why not have it against Mr. Peter Morrison, who
will then have an opportunity of appearing and
answering it ?
Mr. Turner said that under the special act Mr.
Morrison was to do all the "necessary acts of the
company," and it was therefore supposed that he
was the proper party to be sued.
The Commissioner said that the present summons
he could not understand. He could understand Mr.
Morrison being summoned, with the view of his
being a trader ; but he could not understand this
summons. What could the Court be supposed to
know of the National Assurance Association ?
Mr. Lawrance—Your honour never issued a sum-
mons against a company in your life, or against
anybody else.
The Commissioner—l can take no notice of this
proceeding.
Mr. Turner—Bat the special act.
The Commissioner—Oh, that is nothing.
Mr. Turner—When the summons was taken out
they got an adjournment by consent, and in the
meantime took advantage of that adjournment to
obtain a winding-up order in Chancery.
Mr. Roxburgh—l may mention that the matter
is now being wound up in Chancery.
The Commissioner—Never mind. I dismiss the
summons, but will say nothing about costs.
The following was the form of summons :—" I,
James Rawlings Monday, of No. 3, Moore-place,
Kennington-road, Surrey, surgeon, make oath and
say, that the banking company known or called by
the name of the National Assurance and Investment
Association, of No. 3, Pall-mall East, in Middlesex,
and who have from time to time advertised their
said place of business by the name of the Bank of
Deposit, 3, Pall-mall East, and of which banking
company or association Peter Morrison is the
managing director, are truly and justly indebted to
me fn the sum of £lOO for cash paid and deposited
by me with the said banking company or associa-
tion, at their said place of business, situate at No.
3, Pall-mall East, on the 18th April, 1861: that
Mr. Peter Morrison was served with a notice, &c,"

POLICE INTELLIGENCE, Nov. 21.

WORSHIP-STREET.—A STRANGE STORY.—
Two young-looking girls, wearing dark straw hats,
and presenting in respect to their attire in general
an appearance betokening their belonging to
respectable parents, were brought before Mr. Knox,
at five o'clock, and just as that gentleman was leav-
ing the bench, under the following circumstances :
Mr, Matthew Smith, a London City missionary,
stated that while in the neighbourhood of Old-
street-road, St. Luke's, about an hour previous, his
attention was attracted to a crowd of persons, in
the centre of which he found the two young girls
in question apparently asking for some locality.
As they appeared strangers in London, and one of
them carried a bundle, he thought it his duty to in-
terfere for their protection, more especially in con-
sequence of two women endeavouring to lead them
away. Therefore he took them, under the care of
a police constable (Baker, 242 N), to the Robert-
street police-station. All, however, that could be
gleaned from them was that they had walked up
from Barnet that day, having been sent by their
father, who was a general dealer there, to a service
in London, but where it was they knew not, having
lost the direction. The bundle mentioned contained
principally dirty linen and books of a religious
character, including a Bible and cards of a Sunday
sehoo% With respect to their name or exact resi-
dence they maintained a perfect silence.
Mr. Knox said the story told by the girls, and in
part repeated to him, was beyond all credence. In
all probability they were run away from home or
elsewhere, and could not be better cared for until
inquiries were made than by being placed in the
workhouse.

Mr. Smith suggested his willingness to pro-
ceed to Barnet and seek the parents of the
children, a proposition that was immediately ac-
cepted by the magistrate, who remarked that the
interest evinced by that gentleman was most credit-
able to him. It was then arranged that a card of
instructions should be given by the police authori-
ties here to Mr. Smith, that he might more easily
be enabled to prosecute his inquiries.
Subsequently the eldest girl, while in an outer
room of the court, stated that her name was Jessie
Pedley, and her sister's Sarah Ann Pedley, their
relative ages being 17 and 14 years, and that their
parents lived ,near the Three Horse-shoe public-
house, but had only been there three weeks, having
previously resided at Luton, in Bedfordshire, where
they were employed at the straw work. When
pressed upon the point of the person's name to
whom they were sent in London a Mrs. Houlton
was mentioned, the eldest girl adding that her
father had " let " them to her; also that they started
at ten o'clock that morning, with but one shilling,
out of which, while on their journey, they purchased
one pennyworth of sprats and some bread.