The Sun.
London, England, 1861-07-09 00:00:00

very uncommon string, and I suppose you would
scarcely find a ball of it within 50 miles.
Sergeant Spittal, of the City of London detec-
tives, deposed as follows :—While the prisoner was
in custody in the city of.. London under another
charge 1 went to N0.46,1‘ entworth-street, White-
chapel, on the 23d June. There I received the blue
woollen shirt now produced, tied up with the string
I now produce, from a man who is in court, named
Dominick Gillbuly. On the following day I handed
over the shirt and string to Sergeant Robinson, of
the Metropolitan detectives. He returned them to
me next day, and they have been in my possession
ever since.
In answer to the usual inquiry, the prisoner acid
—I have no questions to ask, but I recognise the
shirt as my property.
Joseph Dinmore was next called, and after a
careful examination of the strings produced, he de-
posed as follows :—I reside at No. 3, Back-road,
Shadwell, and am a twine manufacturer, in the em-
ploy of Mr. Cramp. The bunch of string, contain-
ing several balls, produced by Mrs. Pether, the
string found round the feet and hands of the de-
ceased, produced by Superintendent Coward, and
that produced by Sergeant Spittal are my make.
I hackled the hemp in its rough state myself, and
afterwards spun it myself, and made the balls my-
self ; all of them. I can vouch for it that the balls
produced by Mrs. Pettier were made by me. It is
properly called, " rub lay cord."
By the Court—l have made this sort of cord for
other people, but very seldom.
The prisoner—l ask the man to look again atten-
tively at the string with which the shirt was bound;
for I can assure the magistrate's that I picked up
this string outside a tobacconist's shop in White-
chapel. It depends on his opinion. Witness looked at the string, and said confidently,
" Well, they are all off the same ball. lam quite
sure of it."

Prisoner—l can only repeat that I found the string
in the trottoir at Whitechapel.
David Levi, a Polish Jew, was next called and
sworn on the Old Testament. He deposed as fol-
lows :—I am a native of Posen, and live at No. 48,
Wentworth-street, Whitechapel. lam a dealer in
steel pens. I know the prisoner, and probably he
knows me, for I took him to the house.
The clerk—State what you know of him in your
own words.
Witness—On Wednesday morning, the 12th of
June, I met the prisoner and his " partner " in
Osborne-street, Whitechapel. His partner was a
smaller man than he, and not more than 18 or 19
years of age ; he looked quite a boy, and was a
foreigner. As I passed them the prisoner's com-
panion said to the prisoner in German, " I believe
that is a German." I did not answer at ()ace, so the
men continued to converse; one believed that I was a
German and the other doubted it. I then tamed
round, and asked them in the German language what
they wanted of me. The prisoner's comp,-In ion upon
that asked where I lived ; and I pointed him out a
street not 50 yards distant. He then asked me where
they could wash themselves, and I asked him,
in reply, " Where did you stop last night ? Why
did you not wash there ?" To which I received no
answer. The same man then asked me what coun-
tryman I was ' • what part of Germany I came from,
and I told him from Prussian Poland. I then asked
the prisoner what countryman he was, and he said
he was a native of Shandau in the Saxon Swiss. I
asked the other man what part of Germany he came
from, and he told me that he was a native of Breslau
in Silesia. I then said that if he would tell me his
name I might know his family, as I had friends in
Breslau, and had been there several times. So he
told me " My name is Scheretzki," on which I said
I had not the honour to know such a family in
Breslau. He said that he belonged to a common
class of men. He again asked me to tell them where
they could wash themselves, and I suggested that
they should taken lodging and go to my house, be-
cause it was early in the morning and they would
not allow them to wash unless they paid for their
lodgings. They then went with me to 48, Went-
worth street. The " missus" was there, and I asked
her if she had room for two foreigners. She replied
that she thought she had, and asked them to pay
immediately in order that she might keep the bed
for them at night. The prisoner's companion there-
upon paid 6d., and the " missus" wished they would
give their names, on which the companion of the
prisoner wrote both names on a piece of paper. So
they went in, washed themselves, had their break-
fasts, and. went out together. During the time the
men were in the house I observed that they were
very intimate and friendly. But on Friday morn-
ing the companion of the prisoner went out without
the prisoner, in company of a man named Morris, a
sponge traveller, and said that he would be home
immediately. At night the prisoner's companion
came home, and prisoner complained that he had
left him all day without food. He said, " I was
out with a friend, and had no appetite ;" so he
bought a pennyworth of bread and coffee, and gave
it to the prisoner, and said, " I shall be home
soon, and we will make a regular supper."
He did not come home, however, until very
late, and the prisoner was very anxious lest
he should be left all night without a lodging. In
fact, he did not expect his partner to come home,
and said " I know he is gone." He asked me what
he should do for a lodging. I said I was "bad in
cash," but I would speak to the mistress and war-
rant him for one night. Prisoner then took a brush
out of his pocket, and having sold it to one of the
lodgers, he paid 3d. and went to bed. Soon after-
wards the partner came into the bed-room and awoke
the prisoner. I saw that he was under the very
strong influence of liquor. Prisoner blamed him for
corning in so late, and told him that, as he had not
expected him to return, he had sold the brush for 3d.
On that his companion rushed at him, and struck
him in the bed. The prisoner then sat up in his
bed, and, pointing to his partner, said, " Don't think
so much of yourself—you know very well." His
companion started a little back when he heard the
words, and turning to me he said, " Look what a
cursed fool he must be, selling a brush for 3d. which
he knows very well cost me abroad half a dollar."
On the next morning prisoner seemed very much
depressed, and I asked him what caused his melan-
choly. He said that he had a wife and two children
at Shandau, whom he had left secretly, and his inten-
tions were to go to America, where his parents were.
The prisoner said that he and his companion had
no breakfast but what the witness gave them out of
his own means. They had no money.
The witness denied that he gave them anything.
Dominick Gillhuly, assistant manager of the
lodginghouse, No. 48, Wentworth-street, called the
,‘ East London Chambers," deposed—On Wednes-
day morning, the 12th of June, my wife called me
and said that two fresh lodgers had come—
foreigners, and she wished me to take their names.
The prisoner was one of the men. I called them
into my room, and asked them their names. The
prisoner was the first I asked, and his reply was, as
I understood, " Franz." I said, " That's the Christian
name, I suppose, for Franz means Francis in Eng-
lish." I noticed that when the prisoner gave the
name of Franz his companion checked him speaking
to him in his own language. The other then said
to me in English, " His surname is Fosser."
He added, " Do you always take the names?" and I
said " Yes, it is our invariable rule." He then said,
"My name is John Macdonald." I thought that it
was a strange name for a foreigner ; but I took it
down as he gave it me. I received from the prisoner
the blue woollen shirt, tied with the piece of string,
which Sergeant Spittal has produced. The pri-
soner's companion left our place on Saturday morn-
ing, the 15th, and the prisoner remained till the
the following Friday, the 21st of June. He gave me
no notice that he was going, but went out in the
morning, and I heard no more of him until I learnt
that he was in custody in the city.
Mr. Whither then applied for a remand, stating
that in the course of a week he hoped to be able to
produce evidence to show that the book found in
the room of the murdered woman was the property
of the prisoner.
Prisoner said that before he was remanded he
wished to say something.
On being cautioned that anything heinsaid h
iwmo,uhl de
be taken down, and might be used
said calmly,—l will confess that lam Johann Carl
Franz, from Shandau. I have hitherto instinctively
kept it secret from love of life. It might be the 16th
or 17th of June when I went about in Whitechapel,
about 4 o'clock in the afternoon. Then I heard a
couple of young men, who had the appearance of
mechanics, speak together, and I perceived by their
language that they were Germans. As they sepa-
rated from one another I accosted one of them and
complained to him of my distress, telling him that
I had eaten nothing the whole day, and that a
penny was wanting to pay for my bed. He gave me
as an answer " I am hungry too; let us go into the
next eating-house." There he had some peas given
to me for 2d. He himself ate both. Afterwards he
read the newspaper, and said " There are two other
Germans being pursued, one is called Johann Carl
Franz." At this I was very much frightened,
and turned pale. He perceived by my face that I
did so, and asked me, 4, what's the matter;with
you ?" He said that the other's
Krohn. Hereupon he related to me that he was 5

MUNICIPAL JUSTICE.

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in a few days. I must already arinqUtibiS:t t -
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. I stated to Sergeant Spittal that I wandeted on !tie S
road from Hull to London with two German sailors.
Of them the younger one was named Adolphe
• iirohn, and the taller one—of my stature—was
namc:d Wilhelm Gerstenberg. I was wandering
—...—........--. . with both of them. Ido not know the name of the
nea-est town from Hull where I met both the
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—...rs. I travelled with them to beyond Leeds.
ThQre we passed the night in the open fields, behind
oppose you w
a s trawstack. When I awoke, at six o'clock in the
,
4) miles. morning, both the sailors were vanished, and had
of London de , taken my travelling bag with them. In this bag
the prisoner . there were a brown greatcoat, a pair of brown
n under anot buckskin trousers, a waistcoat from the same piece
`,II-street, Whi as that which I now wear, and my papers, consist-
eceived the b ing of a sailor's pass-book, a certificate of birth and
with the stri baptism, and a railway tariff. These were together
i court, nam in a blue cover. Both the sailors had expressed that
• day I handi they were going to furnish themselves with money
Robinson, from some Catholic priest, because they thought
riled them 1 that the Catholic priests were always very rich, and
iy possessi,) they themselves were Catholics. But: the tallest
one had no papers, and was constantly asking me
orisoner s;ti whethern I had no papers to spare for him. I con-
cognise 'th s
it- m
tiy
yselfrefused him them, becausethe same time own I wanted to kee
t te m.
Now must I at
that I am really married, and have a wife with
nd after I two children. When I heard the name Adolphe
ced, he de
Krohn in the eating house, I immediately foreboded
Sack-road.
that it might be the two sailors, and that the tall
one had seized my papers. In that only the error
n the
contain-em
her,
consists that so many people here in Reigate fancy
the
they have seen me, because the tallest one wore my
the de-
rd, and whole attire. The taller one had no coat at ail
when I was with them. He went in a sailor's blue
' make.
lf, and shirt, and probably he put on my brown overcoat ;
and thus he had much resemblance to me. Adolph©
smy- Krohn, the other one, spoke English better than
balls
It is German. Both pretended to have
.been born in
Vienna. Now can I aver to the tr!..:7.4!..-tes the* I
for have never heen in Reigate, and. ta',..,,,F. _
_.;
oath that lam no murderer. With this statement'
en-
I have done for the present."
id, To this the prisoner subsequently added "This
' man," pointing to the witness Levi," can testify for
ap
e_ me that I wore the cap of a railway servant in his
lodging, and Samuel, who left me in this lodging,
took my cap with him and left me his. It was a cap
of black cloth with a green token upon—that is to
• say, with a strip of green cloth sewn into it—
namely, the strip of cloth is the token—the mark of
the railway."
The prisoner signed this statement, and was then
remanded till Monday next.

Yesterday the Mayor of Canterbury, and Messrs.
Mount, Philpott, \V. Wootton, and Trunnell,
borough justices, were engaged for some time in the
Guildhall hearing a charge preferred against a little
boy named Thomas Godden, under seven years of
age, of having broken the window of Mr. Ginder,
stationer, of St. George's-street, Canterbury. The
charge had been brought in consequence of the in-
surance-office refusing to replace the window (at a
cost of £6 Bs. 6d.) unless the person who broke
it was prosecuted. Frederic Lucy, foreman
to Mr. Ginder, deposed that he was in the
shop at about seven in the evening, when the win-
dow was broken. He ran to the door immediately •
and there saw saw three or four boys standing close
to the door. One of them said, " That is the boy
who broke the window," pointing to the defendant,
who was running away. Witness followed him,
and he said, " Don't take me, Sir, I could not help
it." He brought the defendant back to the shop,
and he there said he could not help it, and he did
not try to do it. An elder brother of the accused
(about 10 years old) was then called at the sugges-
tion of the magistrates, it having been represented
that he saw his brother break the window, and in
answer to questions put to him he said—l saw my
brother throw a stone, but I did not see it break
the window. The father of the defendant submitted
that there was no proof that his boy broke the win-
dow in question, inasmuch as there were other boys
present throwing stones at the time. It was not
proved that the stone thrown by his boy broke the
complainant's window. The clerk drew the atten-
tion of the bench to the section of the Act of Par-
liament under which the complaint was laid, and
pointed out that if " wilfully and maliciously" done
the offence rendered the defendant liable to apenalty
of £5. Several of thejustices repudiated any malice
on the part of the child. After a brief consulta-
tion, the Mayor said, "This case has been considered
very carefully in consequence of the extreme youth
of the accused, but the bench feel that they cannot
help convicting him in the penalty of £5, and the
costs, and it is with great pain that they do so. In
default of payment, he will be committed for 21
days." The father expressed his regret at the de-
cision of the bench, as the defendant was only a
child, and even if he broke the window, he must
have done it accidentally. There was no malice or
wilfulness in his conduct at all, as the magistrates
had themselves admitted. He thought it very hard
treatment indeed, especially as his boy was gene-
rally a well-behaved and quiet youth.

RAILWAY iNTELLIG.E'NCE.

It appears that the first section of this company's
line to Herne Bay is to be opened on Thursday
next. The first train for Herne Bay is to leave
Faversham about noon with the directors and their
friends.