The Sun.
London, England, 1857-03-17 00:00:00

Naval and Military intelligence.

In consequence of the Indian regiments being now
recruited from those corps on the British establishment
which are above their required strength, the number of
troops now attached to the Provisional Battalion at.
Chatham is greater than has been the case for several
years, the total strength of the battalion exceeding 4,000
men of all ranks, exclusive of officers. In order to pro-
vide barrack accommodation for this large number (-I
troops, it has been found necessary to quarter 500 men,
belonging to the Indian depots, in the huts adjoining
Brompton Barracks, and 500 men are also stationed at
the Casemate Barracks with the Medical Staff Carpi.
The depots at Chatham will give about 5,000 troops to
the Indian regiments during the approaching season.
Artificers are employed from five in the morning until
10 at night in Portsmouth dockyard, to equip the gun-
boat squadron for China enumerated yesterday as fitting
out at Portsmouth, and also the troopships and frigate
Transit, Assistance, Adventure, Furious. The Transit
is so far complete that she was swung in Partsmeuth
harbour yesterday for the adjustment of her compasses,
and the others are all well forward. The experienced
hands of the ordinary flagship St. Vincent, Capt. Eliott,
and the steam reserve depot ehtp Blenheim, Capt. the
Hon. F. T. Pelham, 0.8., are helping in the rigging and
fitting departments. The Nimrod, i 3, Commander Dew,
one of the gunboat squadron, was docked yesterday fir
examination, and will be removed into the basin to-
day. Tne Shannon, 51, Captain Peel, C. 8., which has
been prevented by the severe gales of the last tao
days from shipping the guns and other heavy stores
she is to take out to China, shipped them yesterday,
and will probably leave for her destination to-day. The
ships intended to carry troops will be most rigidly in-
spected and reported on prior to their embarkation by
Vice-Admiral Sir George Seymour and the Assistant
geartermaster-General of the South-West District., Lieu•
tenant-Colonel Wright, so as to insure safety, health,
and comfort to the men.

The Dolphin, 3, Commander E. Webber (1353), is
being stripped at Chatham, previously to being paid off
into ordinary. She has been in commission nearly four
years.

Tic following appointments were made yesterday at
the Admiralty :
Lieutenant Charles Parry, to the Surprise ; W. Ellis
(h), master to the Blenheim ; George Stanley, second
master to the Porcupine ; Hamilton S. Cole, clerk to the
Furious.

Sporting Intelligence.
TATTERSALL'S—MONDAY.
The business tran'acted must not be measured by tFe
somewhat long list of quotations which we were enabled
to compile. Not until late in the afternoon, when the
settling of the Doncaster and Salisbury accounts was
concluded, were operations actively resumed, and they
were important only with regard to two or three horses.
St. Giles was in good demand for both the Northampton-
shire Stakes and Metropolitan ; 100 to 6 was offered
against him for the Chester Cup, for which event we be-
lieve he bad been backed in the City at 20 to 1.
For the Two Thousand 5 to 1 was taken about Vedette.
A large outlay was made in favour of Lord of the Hills
at 11 to 1. The odds quoted against Apathy were laid
to 1501. Blink Bonny was in considerable force for the
Derby at 12 to 1, odds which were taken freely about
her early in the afternoon, but offered at the close.
1,400 to 100 was taken about M.D., and afterwards
offered. 20 to Ito 1001. was booked about Bird in the
Hand. Lady Hawthorn again came into favour; at
first 30 to 1 was taken about her, but at last a good deal
of business was doe at 25 to 1. 40 to Ito 1001. was
laid against Mr. Cooper's lot. About 9001. were in-
vested on lots of ten a-fainst the field. 20 to 1 was the
highest offer against Kent. Closing prices:—

GREAT WARWICKSIIIRE HANDICAP.
3 to 1 agrt Mr. Saxon's Torn Thumb
4 to 1 agvt Sir L. Newman na Theory
WARWICK STEEPLECHASE.

3 to 1 agst Count de Cunchy's Jean du Quesne
NORTHAMPTONSHIRE STAKES.
sto 1 agst Lord Ribblesdale's St. Giles (t)
6to 1 agst Mr. T. Parr's Sir Colin (t)
7to 1 aget Lord Zetland's Skirmisher (t)
9 to 1 aget Mr. Tuoropson's Codrington (t and
o)
12 to 1 agst Mr. ffMellish's Adams (t)
100 to 6 aget Sir J. Hawley's Porto Rico (t)
33 to 1 agst Mr. S. Thelluson na Amati (t)
METROPOLITAN STAKES.
10 to 1 aget Lord Ribblesdale's St. Giles (t)
12 to 1 agst Mr. Y. King's Madame Rachel (t)
12 to 1 agst Mr. J. G. Henderson's Logie
o'Buchan (t)
20 to 1 agst Sir R. NV. Bulkeley's Gortschak off
TWO THOUSAND GUINEAS.
sto 1 agst Lord Zetland's Vedetto (taken)
11 to 1 apt Mr. W. S. Crawford's L rd of the
Hills (taker)
12 to 1 aget Mr. T. Parr's Apathy (taken)
1000 to 15 agst Vedette's winning this event and
M.D. the Derby (taken)

CHESTER CUP.
11 to 1 agst Mr. E. Parr's Leamington (taken)
100 to 6 agst Lord Ribblevdal.i's St. Giles (.41 )
40 to I aget Mr. Howard's Yellow Jack (tak.)
50 to 1 ag4 Sir R. W. Bulkeley's Tasmania (t.)

DERDY,
12 to 1 agst Mr. W. l'Auson's 13:ink Bonny
(taken and cfr-tred.)
14 to 1 a.t Mr. Parr's M.D. (taken and off.)
20 to 1 agst Mr. Bowes's Bird in the Hand (t.)
25 to 1 ag-t Mr. Copperthwaite's Sprig of Shil-
lelagh (alien)
25 to 1 aget Lord John Scott's Lady Hawthorn
(taken)
25 to 1 agst Mr. Howard's Arsenal (taken)
30 to 1 agst Mr. Jackson's Saunterer (taken)
33 to 1 agst Lord Derby's Athlete (offered)
40 to 1 agst Mr. E. Parr's Lambourn (taken)
66 to 1 agst Mr. J, S, Douglas's Blue Jacket
(taken)
40 to 1 agst Mr. Cooper's "lot" (taken)
OAIIS.

4to 1 agßt Mr, W, I'A,nson's Blink Bonny
(taken)
6to 1 apt Lord John Scott's Lady Hawthorn
(taken)
EARL SPENCER'S PLATE (NORTUDIPTON)—Fiya way
is scratched.

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Last night a meeting was held in the Freemasonse Tavern,
to consider " the policy of the Persian and Chinese wars."
The hall was crowded to excess, and among those present
we observed Mr. Cobden, M.P., Mr. Layard, M.P., Mr.
Roebuck, M.P., J. Ingram Lockhart, Esq., w. Simpson,
Esq., 11:m. Mr. Galloway, Thomas Beggs, Esq., Joseph
Barratt, Esq., Joseph Stnrge, E.g., James Stanfield, Esq.,
Dr. Epps, Satnuol Ro,ling, Esq., Dr. Watts, H.R. Elling-
ton. Esq., Joseph Cooper, Esq., and John Morland, Esq.
The CHAIRMAN, iR opening the pr.veedings, said that, in
consequen:e of the unaroilable absence of J. A. Roebuck,
Esq., he was called to the chair, a position which he oceu-
pied with much pleasure. Tbe.war in which they were at
present en;aged. iu China was a wa t. which had Leen
brought about by their endeavours to smuggle opium into
the country. (Cries cf "No, no," and uproar.) Let any
one read the histery of China, and they would finl thst
that had been the sole cause of our hosti:ities with China
—(no, no)--not Only in 13,10, birt at the present time. lie
would ssy no more, but simply ictroduce Layard, a
gentleman who had travelled a great deal, and who was
well fitted to move the first rcsoluti,m.

Mr. LAY ARD said it was not his habit to attend meetings.
Since ho bad hien in Parliament he had only attended
two. It was still less his custom to do s., in company with
Mr. Cobden. (A laugh.) But when he heat,' that some
members of Parliament would face a largo public meeting,
and stem the torrent of public indignation which was
said to be running through the rnetropel,s, he could
not resist the appeal to him to join them. He agreed
to be present the more willingly, because it was well known
that on many points he differed very mat rally from Mr.
Cobden. He did not wish it to be understood that the
pieseut was a meeting of Peace-at-any-price men. They
all knew he (Mr. Layard) was not one of that party. He
was one of the very first to urge on the war With Russia,
and an immediate resort to hostilities. (A cry of Bravo,"
cheers, followed by hisses.) Ho heard some expressions of
dissatisfaction; but he thought that fact would strengthen
his position on the present occasion, because it would show
that he acted independently. When they were at war
with Russia, he thought the hostiles were necessary ;
but whether or no it was necessary, they wore waging a
great war with a great people. They wore not massacring
a defenceless people—(hisses and cheers) -- or destroying
undefended cities. (Uproar.) But there was another
point, so important, that he did not believe there was any
gentleman present who would not calmly consider this
subject, nor interrupt any gentleman who had to make a
statement of the facts of the Case. These he wished to
place before them calmly, plainly, simply, mil
Let him remember that those in power were trading on
that question. There were men both in and out of Parlia-
ment who had opposed every measure of reform--(no, no)
—who were Tories to the back bone, and who had came
into Parliament because they wore supp Bed to be liberal
men. Now, if they were to sacrifice everything to ono
man and one cause, let them be sure that that one men
and that one cause were the right man and the right MU.°
(A. voice, " Where's there a bettor ?") They would see whe-
ther they could not find a better. They could only deter-
mine that when they saw what that man bad done. Now,
he was one of those who did not wish to be led astray by
that cry. He did net think they were b mud to become
any man's followers without inquiring into his precedents.
It was not Lord Palmerston they wore to fellow, it was
what he had done, and what he proposed to do, that they
were requested to give their allegiance to. It hal been
said there was a "faction," a " conspiraq."—(•` So there
is.") Now he was sure that, so far as he was concerned,
and as far as Mr. Cobden was concerned, an 1 some 40 or
50 as liberal-min led men as ever sat in the house, he p o-
tested against that assertion.
.[At this point of Mr.
Layard's address Mr. Roebuck entered, end was well re-
ceived, although, at first, there wore a few groans.] Was
that a factious man? (Cheers.) Was that a nsaa who
was given to coalitions? Was Mr. Miall—(a laugh) —a
factious wan ? Was Mr. Fox a factious mat, or did nit
they act on their judgment? (Nn, no.) Away with such
trumpery trash as the babbling about " Coalitions." Rally
the thing was so trumpery that ho did not think it, worth
further alluding to. (Laughter and cheers.) He belies ed
the country was rapidly recovering from the illusion. He
wished to place the manner in which they had been plunged
into war, without the consent either of the people or of
Parliament, before the meeting. At the cud of last ses-
sion war was made, peace hal been ma le, :Ina would be
ratified without the House of Common] having been once
consulted. (U.proar, and cries of Question.) He should
be able to show that that was the case both in China and
Persia. Mr. Layard then proceeded, at great length, to reite-
rate the facts of the case, asking theme whether they were
justified in their proceedings ? He asked them wbother they
were justified in the course which they Lock on ieh's re-
fugal to restore the men ? And then, whether they wore
justified in making the second claim ?—( While alluding to
the conduct of Sir J. Bowring, some one observed that lie
was not hero, and Mr. Layard retorted that he wished he
was ; an attempt followed to get up three cheers for Sir
John.) He then proceeded to enter into the legal question,
showing the different opinions of the, lawyers. In the
course of his remarks he suggested that the Government
should have recalled Sir J. Bowring. (Cheers and hisses.)
Had they come down with that declaration the Ministry
would have been triumphantly supported. The hon. mem-
ber for Aylesbury was frequently iuterrupted at the close
of his address by loud cries of "Time." He was about
again to allude to the coalition, but loud cries of " Time,
time," again interrupted him.
The CHAIRMAN.--I remark that there are about 25
gentlemen who are determined to make a n die. The vast
majority of the meeting are with the speaker. I beg to
tell them that if they are not quiet they will be ejected
(" Liberal members.")
Mr. LAYARD said he knew that this was a question on
which many gentlemen entertained a strong opinion. A
year ago Mr. Murray, who was Consul-General in .Egypt—
(uproar)—
The CHAIRMAN. —The gentlemen who cry " silence,'
make the most noise.

Mr. LAYARD continued.—At that period this country
was engaged—(Uproar, which lasted for some minutes,
and which terminated in a violent personal scuffle on the
platform).
Mr. LAYARD.—We were then at war with Russia, and it
was of course of importance that a well-informed man
should be sent to Persia. He (Mr. Layard) protested
against his appointment at that critical juncture, since ho
had never been in Persia. Mr. Layard read, amid cries
of " Question," an extract from the "Edinburgh Re-
view" to sho.v the state of things in Persia. Tbat was, he
continued, a strange way of protecting British subjects in
Persia. Mr. Layer I than entered into lengthened expla-
nations in reference to the case of Meerz► Hichim, but
was interrupted by cries of " Time, time." (Me. Layard
had already spoken for an hour, and the temper of the
meeting was far from favourable to hearing him.) Mr.
Layard concluded by again asking them whether they
would allow themselves to bo plunged into war without
their consent or even knowledge. He asserted that when
the facts of the case were put into the hands of faithful
historians—such as Mr. Grote—they would say that the
war in China had been commenced tinder the most unjus-
tifiable cirmmstances, by merchants, to get the trade into
their own hands—to force a drug on the unwilling inhabi-
tants, a loathsome and destructive drug—that they had
ruthlessly bombarded defenceless cities, and spread desola-
tion and terror in thousands of heart',

Mr. COBDEN, M.P., who was received with cheers, fol-
lowed by hisses and cheers, sail ho had listened try Mr.
Layard with great interest. He (Hr. Cubtleit) had had a
large experience in public meetings ; he bad, iu fact, lived
in them. Ho would safely assort that there were not 25
persons who, wished to make a noise, koZO that the papers
might have an opportunity for saying that the meeting
was disunited and disorderly. (Hear.) He therefore
called on them to show by their hands it they concurred
in its objects. (A. large number were held up.) His
friend, Mr. Layard, had relieved him from the necessity of
going into details. He wished to ask them whether they
thought it was the duty of the House of Commons to in-
ter;;;Le in the question, for here they found an executive
appealing from the decines ion. The Parliamentthe commence-
abused for not ex,;.7.n—t. • were laid before the house; and
merit of the session papers .. the Queen's Speech to
a medial reference W4iZs made . • ,eurnents and he
affairs at Canton. d* fit teed, tug ':ties. He
felt there was no justification lA. the bunt... r.,ct
brought the matter before the house, and attlrtitted
in his resolution. He had never seen a subject so careieffit
studied by the house, Ho was told that the decision of
the house was come to by faction, and not on the merits of
the case. They were told a great deal about the Tories
who voted against the Government, brit nothing of that
large body of Liberals who voted with him on that occa-
sion. The "conspiracy" cry only existed 48 bourn, lie
had asked people who said the conclusion of the house was
unjust, but he invariably found that they had not road
the papers at all. Mr. Layard had alluded to the peace-at-
any-price party. He did not know whether he was in-
cluded in that category. (No, no; and Yes, yes.) lie had
said that 10,000,090/. was enough for our defences ; but if
100,000,0001. was needed, ho would vote it cheerfelly. it
was not a question of peace tht any price, but whether they
should rush thousands of milAe3ff to heedlessly join in war
with a defenceless nation. (Cheers.) He contended that
they would not get either profitsor huuour. They wanted
tea, but they mu t reduce the duty before it bonefitted
them hero.

A Voids—Pnt the duty on calico.
Mr. COEDEN--Now, the Chinese put a very moderate
duty of 10 per cent. on that article. They read about naval
armaments in the papers—it was very exciting over one's
breakfast, but it must all be paid for. The members of the
House of Commons could not reduce the taxes, if they cried
out for more wars. (Interruption.) They were told the
Chinese were a bad lot, and must be punished.. He had
never soon any proof that Commissioner Yeh had
slaughtered seventy thousand men. Did it make the
matter.any better for them to do it in a far worse manner ?
Would it not be better that they should go to China with a
moderate policy, and show them a better example? Now,
in that day's papers they read that Canton was destroyed.
Now let them reflect on the number of human beings who
had been unhoused. He was assured that trade was so
shattered that it would. never resume its wonted state.
. (Hear, hear.) He asserted that the British authorities
exhibited a precipitant haste, They adzlit have stopped

aft, r aome reprisals. He asked them on a broed principle
vra t ere sufficient justification for the extravagant pro-
ceedings-- (no, no)—at Caeton. 'Had they any right to
rush on the defenceless inhabitants of Canton t It aas a
very different case from that of Russia, where England
had an enemy well worthy of her power. They were
enga;ed in a war with a noble nation. But,- now all
t',o world knew that the -Chin- se were at their feet.
What he askel was, how would the weple of
G, matte', Americo, AustriA, :eel all the other
continental natious look on the bloodshed which halln
emphatically repudiated by the house of Cotrinsone
They had been toll of late tlit.t the new American Presi-
dent was hostile to them. But how much mote likelY was
he to be so when the English nation had a.Preuder
who held his fist in everybody's face. This, ho assured
them, mould very matetially increase any differences with
a people ua`eir illy proud, and who were eque.ily powerful
with therutedvee (Loud cheers.) When it was shown
that they wire exacting to the weak and crieging.to the
stamg, thy would not hen credit for their fe-hearing.
He wisl.ed the lhitish people to preserve their liege:lel
honour untr.rnished; but that would be, not by fidbust,r-
ing expNlitions to the Persian and Chinese waters; but by
the exhibition of substantiel justice in dealing with the
weak r the stron,. If he hat any exception to ;hie, it
wool i be to exinbit more forbearance to the weak. Ho
had aPPleal for the hire of Exeter. ; and be was told
they could havo it. • If they had had that building, he was
(lore sure there would not have been the tithe of the tur-
moil th-y 11DA heard, which was got up by cliques, coteries,
and club. (Uheere.) He bespoke the room, but learnt
that a I applications were referred to a committee, who re-
fused it on ac'.:ount of a fe'ar that their bricks and mortar
would he polluted by the holding of anything like a poli-
tical tutoting. So they refused to allow them to meet,
and if it were possible be could have spoken to three times
their number, he should still have found the same 25 dis-
turbers. (Laughter.) The grand torrent wag a tempest in
is teapot, got up by the club., while the world outside won-
dered what the fuss was all about. Ho deplored the lia-
bility of his countrymen to be thrown off the scent. They
had now got Vie uatne of Palmerston launched. (Hisses
and cheers, accompanied with groans.), He thought the.
Palmerston fever was a great delusion. If men were-
/lull to superfluity—if they wanted nothing to make
them comfortable, Palmerston Was the man. If they
want -d no re lucaon of their t taation, no increase of the
francltiss—if they did ea t to get rid of Cenrch rates
--if they did not want the b llot—no reform in Church
an l State Lord Palmerstoa was the man for them. (Cheers
and groans.) He aga'n asked them not to allow their fair
fame to be tarnished by endorsing the bloody deeds which
had been perpetrated in Cantor. The House of Commons .
hod done itself immortal honour by its vote. (Cheers.)
The House of Commons had done itself hotfltur by resisting
great Government influence. Ho sincerely trusted, when
the elections came, that, in spite of the attempts which
had been male to deceive the people, they would confirm
the decision which the house had come to on that question.
(Hear, hear.)
Mr. Tnomas BEGGS moved, that in the opinion of this
meeting the invasion of Persia (cries of " Who are you?")
—an l the hostilities at Canton were wholly unwarranted
on grounds of either justice or policy--(hoar, hear)—and
this meeting further protests against the practice of in-
volving thie country in war without the knowledge or con-
sent of Parliament., and earnestly rejoices that by the
recent vote of the House of Commons the nation has been
saved from the responsibility of those acts of violence and
bloodshed committed by British officers tin the inhabitants
of Canton.
Dr. EPPS seconded the motion. _

The CHAIRMAN before putting the resolution said he
supposed he should be told, as on former occasions, that
he had coalesced with and differed from everybody. He
borer had on a peace measure, but still he would not tacitly
consent to unmitigated massacre. He believed England's
hommr was Compromised by deeds alike cruel and unjust. He
appealed to them as just and honest Englishmen—as men
who had at home wi ve=, fatnilies, sons and daughters, and
lrither . (A laugh.) He pitied the men who laughed
from the bottom of his heart; but he asked thorn if, in the
great name of England, they should perpetrate acts revolt-
tug to all the finer feelings of humanity ? The great
drama i,t h•id said,— . . .

•"Tis glinious to possess a giant's strength,
But tyraun us t 3 use it 1 ke a giant."
England had a giant's strength, and ehe had used it like a
giant. T.ie House of Commons had stepped in—the Com-
mons of England had interfered—(cheers)—and they had
raised a voice ea loud that the world would ring. The dark
dead of Canton was no deed of England, and England ac-
cordingly ropudiated it. (No, no, cheers, and uproar.)
They were sent to represent England, and in this instance
he bdieved.them to havo done so. For his owa part, he
vatid as an honest man. But he could not go on. (Cheers.)
lie wished he had the. bodily health of his friends.
(Cheers.) He Lad followed Mr. Cobden when he was right,
and he had oppost d him when ho thought he was wrong.
He recollect tho glorious deel of his friend—such a deed
as in futura ages, would take down his name when they
and all in that room would have been forgotten. (Mr.
Oah:ea.—No, no.) He was no follower of Mr. Cobden.
In fad, he was a follower of nobody. He would tell them
ono instance in which a coalition did take place. A few

ays ago, in the division on Mr. Locke King's motion, Lord
Palm.fnton went into the lobby with Mr. Disraeli. ',VII
should L )rd Palmerston ray they coalesced, when he did
so himself I The popular voice, iu fact, was never listened
to by Lord Palmerston. (Hear, hear.) On the occasion
to which be hid alluded it was derided. But he (Mr.
Roebuck) never said publicly that the noble lord coalesced.
Ho was sure, in Another year, the people of England would
say th.-y were in the r ght. (Cheers and disapprobation.)
Let them not be misled by the cry of "Palmerston," for
along with it mnst be coupled "No reform." (Uproar.)
A Gt.NTLEMAN (on the platform).—You yourself are no
reformer.

EOEBUCK.—Fiery is a perfect incarnation of Lora
Palmerston. He says he is for no reform.
The revious SPE/MEL—These men call themselves re-
forwer:4.