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than it really deserves if I were to suppose that either Poland on another. He saw no reasonable objection to the vote,
cr Hungary had become discontented and disturbed in con- and he trusted the committee would agree to it.
sequence of its contents. With regard to Poland, every one Mr. S. ESTCOURT protested against taking this vote
in this country must feel gnat sympathy with a nation so on account.
distinguished in arms, with such a brilliant past history, and Lord PALMERSTON said the usual course had been
which has preserved its feelings of nationality to this day. agreed to, and there was no reason why the rule should be
We cannot help feeling that she deserves a better fate, or re- departed from. All that was asked for was that the means
gretting the partition of which she was made the victim 80 of paying the necessary expenses should be supplied.
or 90 years ago. But I should be sorry to say anything Mr. S. FITZGERALD objected to oting money on ac
which could induce the Pcles to suppose that theirnationality count, without any opportunity of investigating the details
would be restored by any efforts of this country in their of those accounts. (Hear, hear.)
favour. If I were to write a despatch on that subject to the Colonel DUNNE objected to the Government asking for
Court of St. Petersburg, I entertain no doubt whatever as votes of supply that evening. Such a thing was totally
to the answer I should receive from that:Court. I should be unexpected. He protested against voting the money under
told that the Emperor of Russia had made most liberal con- the circumstances. The whole affair was totally unprece-
cessions to his Polish subjects, and that all he required was dented. The usual notice was not given, and an attempt
that tranquillity should prevail in that country. On the one was made to take the house by surprise. (Hear, hear.)
hand he would not withdraw those concessions, and on the Mr. CARDWELL contended that what his hon. friend
other he would not go bsyond the line which he consider&' (Mr. F. Peel) had done was quite in conformity with the
necessary to the maintenance of his authority over the court- practice of the Treasury and the usage of Parliament.
try. There would be the despatch and there would be the Mr. HANKEY supported the view taken by his lion,
answer. But is any party in this country prepared ; could friend (Mr. Cardwell).
any:Government be found to take up arms and to endeavour Lord PALMERSTON said the vote that was asked for
by force to restore the nationality of Poland ? If not, was one which was necessary, and of which particular no.
although she may possess our sympathies, it is not a case lice had been given.
in which diplomatic exertions can be effectual, What has Mr. F. PEEL, in answer to a question by Mr. Ayrton,
happened lately is no doubt very lamentable—(hear)—and said the vote of last year for civil contingencies amounted
I cannot, for my own part, understand why it was to £l2s,ooo—this year it amounted to £75,000.
that the people of 'Warsaw had not the notice to which they Mr. AYRTON considered that the present proceeding of
were entitled—that force would be used to disperse the the Government was unusual.
crowds in the streets, It was quite competent for the go- The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, said it
verpor of Warsaw, if those crowds were such as to disturb was right that all Governments should be kept down to
the public peace, to give public notice that those crowds certain rules. The present vote was announced when the
would not be permitted, and would if, they assembled be house was full, as being one which would be taken on ac-
dispersed by force, and although notice, threetimesrepeated, count. Formerly balances were kept in hand to meet the
was actually given to the persons assembled before they demand for civil contingencies at this period of the year,
were driven away, it seems to me that a wise, humane, and but that was not the practice at the present time.
just governor would have given notice at least a day or two Mr. HENNESSY was determined to divide the corn-
previously that force would be used to scatter any assem- mittee on the question, because the civil service estimates
blage of a character likely to disturb the public peace. Ido were generally brought forward at such a period of the sea-
not feel justified in giving the reports for which I have sion that they could not be properly considered.
been asked. It is obvious that by their production one Mr. WHITESIDE hoped his hon. friend would allow
pArty or the other would be very'much offended, and the the vote to pass, and not divide the committee.
position of the person making them injured to a corres- After a short discussion, the amendment was negatived
pending extent. Reports in themselves may be perfectly without a division, and the vote agreed to.
fair, but it would not be fair to endanger men in responsible The CHAIRMAN then reported progress, and the house
positions by publishing everything which they may report. resumed.
(Hear.) An hon. gentleman asked me a question with re- THE CORK INFIRMARY BILL.
gard to what his taken place at N aples. The accounts On the order for the second reading of this bill,
which we have received are of this general complexion— Mr. LONGFIELD moved that it be read a second time
tranquility prevails at Naples, but the provinces are very that day six months.
much disturbed by the disbanded soldiers belonging to the The hon. member was proceeding to state the grounds
army of the late King of Naples. On almost every occa- upon which he moved that' the bill be read a second time
sion, at the end of a contest, when a large army is disban- that day six months, when an hon, member moved that the
ded, men who have no profession but that of arms take to house be counted, and there not being 40 members present,
marauding practices, especially when they can easily find the house was counted out at 10 minutes to 1 o'clock.
a safe refuge in the mountains. One may read in the writ-
ings of Lord Macaulay how, after the Peace at Ryswick,
when our troops were disbanded, the country was in a very
disturbed state, and the road to Newmarket, and even the
streets were not safe. And Naples itself is peculiarly cir-
cumstanced, for while the late King has been driven out of
Gaeta and every stronghold in his former kingdom of
Naples, ho has been allowed to remain at Rome, and from
that city messages, arms, and money are despatched, and
conspiracies are set on foot. (Cheers.) These conspiracies
have been discovereo, and it is said that the object of one
of them was to assasinate the leading Liberals in Naples.
Several persons have been arrested, and are to be brought to
trial for that offence. It is extremely natural that the ex-
King of Naples should find a refuge at Rome, but it is
greatly to be regretted that there should exist in that capi-
tal a focus of conspiracy against the existing authorities
which tends to propagate disorder, and which leads to tee
very worst results.
Mr. HENNESSY—WiII the noble lord lay on the table
the papers and despatches from Mr. Elliot ?
Lord J. RUSSELL--Mr. Elliot left Naples about six
months ago, and has been some time in this country; there-
fore there can be no despatches from him on the subject.
There is an attache of the mission to Turin, and likewise a
consul at Naples, from whom we receive accounts from
time to time; but there are no despatches that I can pro-
duce. If I understand the hon. gentlemtn, he wished to
ask for Mr. Elliot's despatches, and the commercial papers.
These were laid on the table this evening,
Mr, HENNESSY—I did not ask for the commercial
reports, but for any report which might have been received
with regard to the reactionary movement in Naples.
Lord J. RUSSELL—ExactIy. There are no despatches
relating to reactionary movements in Naples, except that
persons were conspiring and arrested. There have been
trifling riots from time to time, but they were of very small
account, and there have been no reactionary movements of
any consequence. My hon. friend the member for Bucking-
ham asked me a question with respect to Schleswig-Hol-
stein.. I shall decline to go into that very complicated sub-
ject, but I can assure my hon. friend that her Majesty's
Government are engaged with several of the European
Powers in the endeavour to make propositions which will
be effectual in arranging the difficulty between Denmark
and the German States. It appears to me that the differ-
ences which have arisen are owing far more to the passions
excited by the very large pretensions put forward at both
sides than to any real difficulty regarding the merits of the
question. it is quite true, as my hon. friend behind me
has said, that the people of Holstein and Schleswig do not
wish to change their Sovereign, but questions of much
gravity have arisen with regard to constitutional usage
and to the political connexions of those States. I trust
that, by the communications in which we are now en-
gaged with the different European Powers, we may be
enabled to propose terms which will put an end to the
dispute ; for nothing could be more dangerous than the
contest arising between Germany and Denmark. (Hear,
hear.) Nobody could say how far it might spread. (Hear,
hear.) Standing, therefore, as we do, in an attitude totally
impartial, we trust that the representations of Her Majesty's
Government may be attended with good effect. The report
of Mr. 'Ward, to which allusion hasbeen made, was written
five years ago, and as things have very much changed
since then, it would be calculated rather to mislead the
house were we now to present it. In a few days, however, -ss ..
I hope to lay on the table papers which will explain the
elnna, Penang., and Singapore
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present position of the Holstein question, and what is now Do
passing with regard to it. Gibraltar (via Southampton)
SPITHEAD FORTS. India (Calcutta), Ceylon, 8
Sir M. PETO moved for a copy of the report of the corn- Do.
missioners for national defences, and letters from Gen. Bur- India (Bombay),
,(v;
goyne and Sir W. Armstrong to the Secretary for War, re- Lisbon Do.
lative to the Spithead forts. Malta, Er-
COMMON L kW COURTS (IRELAND).
Mr. WHITESIDE, in moving for returns of the amount YTige
paid for salaries and allowances to the officers and clerks in
the three courts• of common law in Ireland in the years
1822, 1826, and 1843 respectively, said the question was one
of great importance to the administration of justice in Ire-
land. The hon. gentleman complained of the way in which
salaries of legal officers in Ireland were increased, even by
the proposal to make alterations in certain of these offices,
Mr. CONOLLY seconded the motion.
Mr. CARDWELL did not object to the motion for the
returns, and agreed that the house should be most circum-
spect when it entered upon the question of legal reforms
and colepensations. By the course adopted by the Govern-
ment, he hoped that reasonable retrenchments would take
place in connection with the future appointments which
may be -made to vacant offices in the Irish law courts.
Mr. BUTT regretted the absence of a system of judicial
statistics in Ireland similar to that which existed in Eng.
land.

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The motion was then agreed to.
SUPPLY.
Mr. PEEL moved that the Speaker should leave the
chair, in order that they might go into committee of supply.
Mr. A. SMITH hoped the motion would not be pressed
at so late an hour. He objected to the principle of taking
votes on account without due notice, and he had further to
remark that the particulars of the intended votes had not
been circulated among the members, although he believed
they could be procured in the course of the afternoon at the
vote-office. Under these circumstances he could not con-
sent to the house going into committee.
Mr. PEEL said it was not possible that the hon. member
could be taken by surprise, for he (Mr. Peel) last night
gave notice of his intention to submit votes on account of
the miscellaneous estimates. He had given directions to
have the particulars of those votes circulated among mem-
bers, and he believed they had been sent out in the course of
the day. The votes were not new votes. 1 hey had been re-
peatedly sanctioned by the house, and they were required
to carry on certain services. He trusted the hon. member
would not persevere in his opposition to the house going
into committee.
Mr. HENNESSY asked if one of the votes intended to
be taken on account that night included any portion of the
sum referred for the purposes of national education in the
United Kingdom ?
Mr. PEEL replied in the affirmative.
Mr. HENNESSY said, that being the case, he should
support his hen, friend the member for Truro in opposing
the Speaker leaving the chair. Ile intended to move the
reduction of the vote for national education by the sum of
no less than £50,000.
Mr. P. O'BRIEN suggested that those votes on account
which were not opposed should only be taken.
Mr. LONGFIELD opposed the motion.
The house then divided, and the numbers were—
For the motion
Against it
Majority ..........
The house then went into committee of supply, Sir Wm.
DUNBAB, in the chair.
Mr. F. PEEL moved a vote of £5111.,000 on account of
the civil service, including £lOO,OOO for printing and sta-
tionery, £40,000 for County Court salaries, £lOO,OOO for the
Irish Constabulary, and £lOO,OOO for public education.
Mr. HENNESSY opposed the education vote, and urged
the hon. gentleman not to press it then, as the vote had
really not been circulated among members.
Mr. A. SMITH moved that the vote be reduced by the
sum of £42,000 ; the reduction leaving £BO,OOO on account
of the Census expenditure. which he admitted to be unob-
jectionable. The syste aof taking votes on account had
been so frequently condemned that he was surprised the
Government should persist in it.
Mr. F. PEEL reminded the house that a surplus on one
414(Aci v tie expe diture Cottld not be applied tv dcacieliCY