The Sun.
London, England, 1857-03-18 00:00:00

CHINA.
In reply to a question from the Eirl of EfARDWICKE,
relative to the production of the papers connecled with
the war in China.,
Earl GRANVILLE said if the noble earl hail been
in his place when the noble earl the Secretary for Foreign
Affairs bad last addressed the house, he would have
heard that there was no objection to produce
the papers alluded to. The noble earl seemed
to think that Sir J. Bo wring was to blame for everything
that had occurred in China, but he did not think
that Sir J. Bowring was at all to blame for the
naval operations that had taken place. He was
prepared to assert that both Sir J. Bowring and Admi-
ral Seymour had acted with the greatest judgment, and
had conducted the operations with prudence ever since
the commencement of the war.
Earl GREY said so far from concurring In the opinion
of the Ministry, be was convinced that the war was most
imprudently begun, with means which were ineffeottini,
and now having committed great cruelties they were
reduced to a most ignominious state of defense, w hich
was neither likely to do honour to the kingdom nor our
arms.
The Earl of ELLENBOROUGH said Sir J. Bowr-
ing ought to have known that Hong Kong was depen-
dent on the individual character of the Chinese, and he
ought to have taken steps or abstained accordingly.
Earl GRANVILLE again referred to the previous
operations against China, reiterated his opinion that it
was not fair to put upon Sir J. Bowling the whole of
the odium of this affair. His duty was to consult with
the Admiral, and as he found that a small ope•
ration had been successful In obtaining a great
result, he was justified in supoeing that
force there was quite sufficient top justify him the
in -
Tieing the Admiral, as he had done) at ell
events to sanc-
tion his proceedings ; and the mere circumstance of the
measures they bad taken having met with considerable
resistance ought not to be urged against him.
J. Earl DERBY said this was net the first time that Sir
Bowring had made a fatal mistake, and he must be
prepared te take the responsibility, of his actions.
Lord PLNMURE contene'Led that Admiral Seymour
bad done everything that, was possible for him to accom-
plish in the Canton ri-vers The Emperor of China had
sent instructions to t
he officers of the other four ports to
preserve amicablP, relations with the British, leaving the
authorities any
Canton to settle their disagreements with
this core
_.,try themselves.
.Le Earl of ELLENBOROUGH said that there was
eio charge whatever against Admiral Seymour for the
conduct of the operations ; but the whole of the blame
rested with Sir J. Bowring, who had ordered the opera-
ions to take place.
After some further desultory conversation, the discus-
sion was brought to a close.
PRIVATE BUSINESS.
On the motion of Lord REDESDALE, the standing
orders were dispensed with in the case o ithe Corn wall
Railway, Price's Patent Candle Company Bill, and the
Whitehaven and Creator Railway Company Bill, and
the hills were read a second time.
TheXustoms Duties Bill, the Racehorse Duty and As-
sessment Bill, Cinque Ports Act Amendment Bill, and
Peeper Maintena.,ce Ant Bill were read is second time
and ordered to be committed.
The Commissioners of Supply (Scotland) Bill was read
a third time and passed.
The Income Tax Bill, the Indemnity Bill, the Copy-
hold and Enclosure Commission Bill, Extra-Parochial
Places, and the Ecclesiastical Jurisiiction Bill passed
through committee without amendment, and were ordered
to be reported.
Viscount DUNGANNON inquired whether the eye-
Una of granting tickets of leave to convicts was for the
present suspended until some means of disposing of them
by transportation or otherwise should have been laid be-
fore Parliament by her Majesty's G ivernruent
The Earl of HAFtIIOWBY was understood to say
that tickets of leave would only be given to a very few
convicts who were under sentence, and with respect to
whom favourable reports had been received by the Go-
vernment.

WAR ITFI .
The Marquis of CLAW
NRICARDECHINA inquired of the
Secretary of State for War what pay and allowaeoes the
officers and so! hers about to be sent to China were to
receive, and ;dm inquired whether the noble lird would
have any olijection to lay upon the table of the house
any estimate or return showing the coeparative cost of
the British regiments serving in the Persian Gulf and
upon the coast of China? He understood that the troops
sent to China were not to receive the same pay as the
troops serving in the Persian Gulf, and he could not un-
derstand why such difference should exist. Something
bad been said about camp followers. He could not see
the utility of camp followers at all.
Lord PANNIURE said that a difference did exist.
Those troops sent from this coantry would net receive
the same pay as those in the service of the East India
Company. The troops would receive the usual pay, while
the rations would be increased. There was by the regu-
lsticns an allowance, called the extraordinary fill t allow-
ance, which officers received preparat mry to taking the
field. The officers of this expedition would receive s
months' advance by that extraordinary field allowance,
which would enable them to prepare fir taking the field.
On the arrival of troops in Hong Kong, there was in the
Mauritius and Ceylon the colonial allowance, and the
officers of the expedition wou:d be placed in the same
po-ition with regard to that oolonial allowance as the
officers already in the celony, He had no objection to
produce the papers respired. In this expedition, while
every attention would be paid te economy, every atten-
tion would at the same tioie be pail to the heath of the
troops and the maintenance of their efficiency, aril for
that purpose ti:e Govern anent had resslvrd, as the troops
would laud in Cuina in the hot season, to att tele to those
troops catniefoilowers limn India, an.l Gen. Ashburn-
barn had been applied to to use his experience in getting
those campielswers. There would bra sanitary estab
lishment at Penang for the sick of the army, wh r would
be renioved thereto by steam vess.l, provided for teat
Purpose, and every precaution would be taken to prevent
those evils which were felt in the last Chinese war.
The Earl s: ELLENBOROUGH did not think the
colony ought to be sad tied with the additional colonial
allowaec-m to those officers.
Lord PIeNeIURE said that would not be; the allow-
ance wou'd be mace by this country.
Time Earl of ELLENBOROUGLI Explained what was
mean, by caeip felluwers. They were coolies, and per-
sons who carried water mid other valuable labourers.
With reeat d to increasing the rations of the troops; he
wood remind the nulls earl front experience that the
Worst thing a min ciuld do in these hot cernate3 was to
eat much. The less a person had to eat tile better, and
the n ,ble lord would find that in Lelia ho cool I not eat
such a dinner as he could here. He thought the (Aeons
of this expedition would have to incur great t zeensee in
fitting out. They were not going to garrison, but to war.
Therefore, it any peculiar ioeul;ence were extended to
them, consistent with principle, and which would not be
creating an inconvenient precedent, he thought it would
be most de irable to extend that indulgence. Allusirn
the other night was made to the relations between this
country and France, and the noble lord opposite ex-
pressed his satisfaction that the troops of France would
co-operate with our. He (the Earl of E:lenborough)
presumed the noble lord meant force, because no French
troops had been sent, He (the Earl of Ellenhorough)
would deeply regret such co-operaiior. France had no
quarrel with Carina; indeed we had no qua red with
China. The quarrel was with the Csntonese and Com-
missioner Yeb. It would he a de Jerald.) thing to in-
clude the other four
one. desiredl peace,
)and the
re-establishrueet of trade. He did not desire to ext.ort
new terms from the Emperor of Ceiba. He would sug-
gest to the G)vereteent the Propriety of sending out im-
mediate peremptory orders to Bushire to ter wee] froth
thence the additional force which had been sent there,
which was not now required, on to Chink Tee presence
Y revired a'. Singapore
of thatforce might be abs:eutel
and Hong Kong. The order could steels Busimire, iu a
month, and the troops might be,aat
eeelle",:t!,:eat! itehuanother
wou,
month ;so that .six peeks
troops
sent from this country would be three months and a halt
before they arrived.
Lord PANMURE, with rcferenco to the increase in
the rations, raid the increase meant that they would
i
more diversified, so as to be mere conducive to the health
of the troops.
Enid GREY hoped we were not going
tthoo
great embark
Etn in
.
that most fatal measure—au invasion i -
piers of China. He trusted that her Meje...4tY 8 Govern
meat had some clew and defieee object before them,
because as yet no such of was known to the house.
What did we want with China ? Our late-est with Mrs
was simply to carry on tor trade. If we embarked in a
war Wiol MTV), story tv,) inflicted would recoil
upon ourselves, Ii we laid waste the t,wne of China,
we should only rerdsr -the Ceinese worse customers to
us. If we were to Attempt on invasion of China, we
should take a step fatal to Vie intereqs of the country.
The subject then dropped.

• On the ;notion of Ea:l GRANVILLE,
The house adjourned at half-pa,t six to twelve o'clock
this day (Wednesday).

HOUSt OF COMMONS.--(YESTERDAY,)
The SPEAKER took Vie Chair at 4 o'click.

PATE BILLS.
The following were read a second time and or-