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MPERIAL PAR LIAMEN T

HOUSE OF LORDS—(YEsTEnDAy.)
MERSEY CONSERVANCY BILL.
On the motion of Lord RLDESDALE the standing or-
ders were suspended, and the above bill passed tikrongh

all its stages.
The Bishop of CHICHESTER presented a petition
from a place in Essex against the Divorce Bill.
OBSCENE PUBLICATIONS BILL.
Lord CAMPBELL expressed his satisfaction at
hearing that the Commons had passed this bill with cer-
tain amendments. These amendments were quite in the
spirit of the bill, and on Monday next he should move
that their lordship should agree to these alterations.

THE MUTINY IN INDIA..
The Earl of SHAFTESBURY, seeing the noble earl
the Lord President of the Council in his place, moved
for the production of a copy of the order issued by the
Commander-in-Chief of the Bombay army requiring
that the ranks of the native army should only
be recruited from the high caste division of the
population. He believed that that order had been
issued a few days before the mutiny in the Bengal army
broke out, and it was then cancelled by the local Go-
vernment. Nevertheless it was necessary that that
order should be produced, in order that their
lordships might be in a position to judge wheth 3r
Inch a provision as that order enforced did not
form an element in occasioning the revolt. It
was the opinion of all parties acquainted with India
that nothing tended more to the laxity of conduct, or
to excite a spirit of mutiny than such an exclusive
system as that which he bad referred to. Nothing was
more calculated to make the natives arrogant and proud
than this homage to caste. The only question to be
considered was not who was the best Hindoo, but who

world make the most loyal soldier.
Earl GRANVILLE said there was not the slightest
objection to the production of the paper moved for by the
noble earl. It was only fair to the commanding
offictr referred to to observe that it was the natural
wish of the European officers generally that the soldiers
enlisted should be of the highest caste. It was a great
mistake to suppose that this or any similar
order led to the mutiny in the Bengal army.
It would be presumptuous in him in the present
state of affairs to give any distinct pledge as to the course
Milst would be adopted with respect to the re-organisation
of the Indian Army.
Tae subject then dropped..,
LUNATICS (SCOTLAND) BILL.
The Commons' amendments to this bill were consi-
dered and agreed to.
BOUNDA.RIES OF BURG/IS BILL.
The Commons' amendments to this bill were also
omiidered and agreed to.
POLICE (SCOTLAND) AND SMOKE NUISANCE
(SCOTLAND) BILLS.
The Commons amendments to these two bills were

agreed to.
CONSOLIDATION FUND (APPROPRIATION)
BILL. _ .

Earl GRANVILLE moved the third reading of this
bill.

Lord MONTEAGLE then rose and commented at
great length on the financial measures passed during
the present session, and passed a glowing eulogium
upon the present Chancellor of the Exchequer, but, in
his opinion, the financial system at present in existence
was such as coul I not for a moment be defended.
Earl GRANVILLE entirely agreed with the noble
lord in his congratulations with regard to the present
favcurable state of the national finances. He agreed
with the noble lord as to the importance of the savings
banks, but he could not follow the noble lord in his ob-
jections to the manner in which Government had dealt
witlt those institutions. It appeared to him that the
course which the Chancellor of the Exchequer had adop-
ted was strictly legal, and at the same time highly a!-
vantageoca to employ the funds as he bad done. It was
the intention of the Government to move for a select
committee on savings banks next year, when the power
which the noble lord had objected to would be fully con-
sidered. With regard to the appropriation clause ob-
jected to by his noble friend, he believed it was fist in-
trodueed by Sir R. Peel, and early in the next session,
some difficulties having been discovered, the matter was
set right by a bill specially introduced for that purpose.
The bill was then read a third time and passed.
The COMMODES' amendments on the Smoke Nuisonce
(Scotland) Bill were agreed to.
THIRD READINGS.

The following bills were read a third time and passed,
viz. :—Danbar Harbour Lean, Metropolitan Police Sta-
tions, &e., Militia Pay, Revising Barristers (Dublin),
Probates and Letters of Administration (Ireland),
Mutiny (East India), Joint-Stock Companies Act (1856)
Amendment, Parochial Schoolmasters (Scotland) (No. 2),
Customs and Excise, Customs, and Pimlico Improve-
ments Bills.
DIVORCE AND MATRIMONIAL CAUSES BILL.
Earl GRANVILLE having moved that the house do
now adjourn,
Lord REDESDALE said a bill of very great impor-
tance had come up from the other House of Parliament,
and he begged to remind their lordships that he gave
notice on the preceding day that when that bill came up
to their lordships house he should move that the amend-
ments made therein by the other House of Parliament be
taken into consideration that day six months. He there-
fore thought the question as to the Commons' amend-
meats in the bill should now be discussed by their lorl.
ships.
The LORD CHANCELLOR, wLo spoke with consi-
derable warmth, said—My Lords, that bill has come up
from the other House of Parliament with a great quantity
of very important amendments, which your lordships
have not had an opportunity of reading or seeing.
(Cheers.) It has been reported that the noble lord, avail-
ing himself of the position in which he stands, is now
about to move that these amendments be taken into con-
sideration this day six months. (Cries of " Hear, hear,"
and laughter.) My lords, in what position would that
put your lordships' house with the country ? (Hear.)
Etre is a bill involving a most important question, de-
bated for a month in your lordships' house, and for six
weeks in the other house, and is an attempt now to
be made to got rid of it by that which every one in
tin; house knows—
Übe remainder of she sentence was lost in the cheers
of the house.]
I trust that the noble lord the chairman of your lord-
ships' committees will not put you in such an invidious
and discreditable position in the eyes of the public as his
motion would place you. (Hear.)
Lord REDESDALE—The noble and learned is ex-
tremely indignant at what he conceives to be my conduct
in this matter. I rose when the adjournment of the
hollse was moved to speak upon the bill in question, be-
carse nobody ventured to move that it should be taken
into consideration on any particular day. I thought it
was not right that we should leave the house without
anything having been said as to the course Gavernmeat
intended to pursue with regard to the bill. When any
noble lord moves that a bill be taken into consideration
on a particular day, it is open to any other lord to move
that it be taken into consideration on any ether day, and
I del most distinctly give notice to the noble earl (Earl
Granville) that when the bill in question did come up I
eheuld move that the Commons' amendments on it should
be considered that day six months. I thought it was un-
pre per that your lordships should be asked to consider
the important amendments made in that bill on the day
before the prorogation of Parliament, and it was on that
gr(•und I gave notice of my amendteel,t, in order that
all parties might know that it is my intention to m eve
, that the Commons' amendments be considered this day
si.z months.
Lord CAMPBELL—When was your amendment to
• be moved I
Lord REDESDALE—The words that I used last
• night when giving notice of it were these :—" I expect
that the Divorce Bill will be brought up from the other
house to-morrow, and I give notice that when that bill
comes up to this house I shall move that the Commons'
• amendments be taken into consideration this day six
months.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE—Were those words
taken down and inserted in the minute-book I
Lord REDESDALE—They could not be entered into
the minutes because that bill was not before the house.
(Vehement derisive cheers, cries of " Oh. oh," and
"That's the chairman of committees ?") He asserted
tin t.the course he had adopted was perfectly regular.
It was open to any noble lord on a motion that a bill
be taken into consideration on a particular day, to move
that it be considered .on some other day, and when he
gave notice that he should take the latter course with
regard to the Divorce Bill he acted quite fairly and cour-
teously towards the house. (Hear.) He was the last
man to wish to do anything irregular or unfair, or to
Wick to restrict the freedom of their lordsbp.' dehbe
iat:ons ; he maintained that ho had given full no-
tice of the course be intended to take, and that accerd-
ing to the rules of the housa he was strictly in order.
Earl GRANVILLE.—I think this is a matter in
which the character of the house is at stake, and it is
themfore to be hoped that your lordships will calmly
Gage tider your decision. In this assembly we are, per-
eZt, not always so strictly regular in cur conduct of
it tutees as the other house ; but what I have remarked
n. et,
It_ttu.l% house during the eh ,rt time I have had a seat in
highest appeal to the noble marquis (Lansdowne), the
ing it;lattlority among us, to confirm what lam stet-
almost as 9Our lordship have invariably observed it
petty ridesat4ir° principle not to take any mean or
to let all oer pt that be gained by a surprise, but
forward. The notsleual be perfectly fair and straight-
of tee course he intend says
ta.eaYtaslir': gave
notice
yest rd,,y
and certainly it is nit
fir me to contradict bledm,
every peer who was present anteiallt. B
utt was gi I venture to ask
~t,itae whe-
ther the noble lord's notice, awl
procZilt!as it did to a contin-
get cy, would admit of his
amendment to night ..I feelquite gonad regularlye u. t with his
me the strong
for I only reflects fora moment, and-p,ta itrthenotle
feeling he entertains in regard to this ,he ...
that the course he has him-sett proposed is no;:own1.11 ee
b
he would have approved on the part of another peert.lt
• perfectly monstrous that we should be asked to rej et,
the Commons' amendments b:.sfora they have been
printed and submitted to our examination ; and I can.
not. think that my noble friend, to whom, from bin
of
ocial position, we usual!),
look up for guidance on ques.
tions affecting the regularity of our proceedings, will
per:list in the intention he has indicated. At all events,
I hope that this house will not subject itself io the eyes
of the country to the imputation of seeking by a mere
trick to get rid of an important measure. (Hear, bear.)
Lord ST. LEONARD'S (who was very indistinctly
beard) was understood !to complain of the use of the word
"trick" and other expressions that are seldom intro-
duced into their lordships' debates. Noble lords oppc--
site had also evinced unusual vehemence in their
cheering, a circumstance calculated to excite a c >re-
ere nding warmth of feeling on that side of the house.
}lie noble friend (Lord Reticulate) had gives notice that