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, tax had been continued u to the present day. He should
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feel it his duty, when they came to that part of the bill
which gave the City the power to continue the tax, to move
an amendment to terminate such an arrangement.
Mr. LOCKE could not see why the City of London
should have such a sum as £11,600 presented to them as
an annual gift, and for that reason he should support the
proposition of his hon. friend the member for the Tower
Hamlets.
Mr% NORRIS could not agree with the hon. member
who had just sat down that the bill had any such object as
he attributed. He should therefore vote for going into
committee.
Mr. Alderman SALOMONS said no one who for an in-
stant contemplated the objects of this bill could doubt
its necessity, for certainly unless some inventive
genius could devise some means of floating vehicles in the
air the embankment of the Thames appeared the only other
means of providing increased accommodation for the enor-
mous traffic. He supported the bill. The corporation of
London, whenever it became necessary, would be enabled
to rebuild Blackfriars-bridge without taking a single penny
of the coal tax for the purpose. The fund out of which it
would be effected would be the Bridge-house estate fund.
Lord FERNIOY thought the coal dues could not be ap-
propriated to a better object than embanking the Thames.
Alderman COPELAND said he would only make a few
remarks on the subject before the house. The city had
always exercised the greatest care in expending the sums
committed to their charge. The corporation received a re-
venue of £5,000 from Old Fleet-market, and although the
constructing of Farringdon-market has proved a failure, no
blame was to be attached to the corporation for such an event.
The city had pledged its credit for the cost of constructing
the new cattle market and new Cannon-street, and in doing
so they had expended in the various improvements nearly
£340,000 mere than their receipts. There would still exist,
supposing the new improvements were carried out, great
demands upon the city, for assuredly as soon as the Thames
embankment was constructed a new street from thence to
the Bank of England would have to be made.
The house divided, when there appeared--
For Mr. Ayrton's first proposal 5
Against it
Majority —155
The announcement was received with some laughter.
Mr. AYRTON said, after the expression of opinion that
his proposals should not be entertained, he would not
trouble the house to proceed further with them.
The other propositions were then put to the house and
negatived without a division.
The house then went into committee on the bill—Mr:
MASSEY in the chair.
Clause 1 was agreed to.
On clause 2 being put,
Mr. MOWBRAY proposed to reduce the coal duty from
13d. to Bd. He therefore moved an amendment striking off
the penny allowed for the building of the Coal Exchange
altogether, and also that the duty be then reduced from ls.
for 10 years to Bd. for 15 years.
Sir G. LEWIS thought the pressure of the coal dues was
not so strong as had been represented. The proposition
was to reduce the duty received for metropolitan improve-
ments. The sd. tax, which would remain after the pro-
posed alteration, would produce about £90,000, while the
9d. tax produced £160,000, the sum received being about
£150,000. Supposing the £90,000 were deducted
from that amount, he did not think there would
be sufficient funds left to proceed with the great
improvement. He therefore could not support the amend-
ment.

HOUSE OF LORDS-YESTERDAY.

The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat on the woolsack
at 4 o'clock.
Lord REDESDALE, Deputy Speaker of the House of
Lords, took his seat on the woolsack at five o'clock.
PRIVATE BUSINESS.

The following bills were read a second time :—Earl of
Egremont's Estate, Manchester and Milford Railway
(Aberystwith Branch), Dublin Corporation Water, South
Wales Mineral Railway, Leven and East of Fife Rail-
way, Parsonstown and Portumna - bridge Railway,
Atkinson's Trust Estate; Liverpool Cemetery ; Kingston
Water, Galashiela and Peebles Railway, Dublin and
Antrim Junction Railway. The following bills were read
a third time and passed :—Cheshire and Midlandßailway ;
London and North-Western Railway (Chester and
Holyhead) Railway, Thames Haven Dock (Abandonment),
Westminster Improvements, Marlborough Railway, Barns-
ley Coal Railway, London and North-Western, Lancashire
and Carlisle, and Caledonian Railways; and Penrith Har-
bour, Dock, and Railway.
THE SUB -DIVISION OF DIOCESE BILL.

Lord LYTTELTON gave notice that he should move this
day week that their lordships should go into committee of the
whole house to consider the details of this bill. He dis-
sented from the policy of some of the improvements made
by the select committee. He felt it his duty to endeavour
to reverse them.

Lord STANLEY of ALDERLEY supported the pro-
posed additions to the bill.

After some remarks from Lord OVERSTONE, the subject
dropped.
RAILWAY COMPANY MORTGAGES TRANSFER
(SCOTLAND) BILL.
Lord KINNAIRD moved that this bill be read a third
time.

The Duke of MONTROSE moved a verbal amendment,
and after some discussion the bill, as amended, was read a
third time and passed.
THE EDINBURGH ASSESSMENT BILL.
This bill was read a third time and passed.
EAST INDIA LOAN BILL.

This bill passed through committee, and was reported to
the house.

PUBLIC OFFICES EXTENSION BILL.

The report of the amendments on this bill were brought
up and agreed to.
EXCISE AND STAMPS BILL.

This bill was read a third time and passed.
OFFICERS OF THE ROYAL NAVAL RESERVE.
the Duke of SOMERSET moved for a copy of the
regulations under which masters or mates of merchant
vessels may be enrolled as officers of the Royal
Naval Reserve. Ho said that there were some
misconceptions in reference to the subject. He con-
sidered that it was indispensably necessary that the
State should be provided with a sufficient number
of men to meet the requirements of the service. There
were only 25 lieutenants on the reserve list;
but there were 309 admirals on that list, and
100 admirals were now on active service. There were 774
captains on the retired list, and the amount altogether paid for
the naval reserve was £346,000 a-year. Difficulties that
might arise from the necessity of pro-
moting officers might be remedied by the
introduction into the Royal Navy of officers of mer-
cantile marine. It had been objected that offi-
cers brought up in the mercantile marine service
would not feel disposed to enter the Royal Navy in the
time of peace, when there was no prospect of promotion,
but that they would enter the service in the time of war.
He believed that the promotion of this class of men would
shortly undergo a considerable improvement, and the result
would be that the Royal Navy would eventually be recruited
to a considerable extent from the merchant service. He
trusted their lordships would consider, under these circum-
stances, that there were grounds for promoting the further
progress of the bill introduced into their lordships' house on
this subject.
Lord COLCHESTER made a few remarks.

Mr. LOCKE thought the hon. member's anxiety to serve
his constituents in Durham had led him to propose the
amendment. He, however, as a metropolitan member, could
not accept such a proposition.
Lord J. MANNERS advised his hon. friend to with-
draw his amendment.
Mr. MOWBRAY acceded to the request of the noble lord,
and the clause was agreed to after a few verbal amend-
ments had been made therein.
Clauses 3 and 4 were agreed to.
On clause 5,
Sir H. WILLOUGHBY moved that the words "Metro-
politan Board of Works" be struck out, and that " Lords
Commissioners of her Majesty's Treasury" be inserted.
The amendment was agreed to.
Mr. WILLIAMS said he should move an amendment,
confining the works to be effected from the revenue derived
from the coal duty to the embankment of the Thames.
The LORD MAYOR said the Thames embankment would
not fully meet the object for which it was intended, unless a
new street was constructed from Blackfriars-bridge to the
Bank of England.
Sir G. LEWIS opposed the amendment.
After a short conversation the amendment was negatived,
and the clause agreed to.
On clause 6,
Mr. AYRTON proposed to add the following words to
the end of the clause :—" And after discharging the
said sums and interest in the clause, the said duty of 4d.
should be paid to the account mentioned in clause 5."
Sir G. LEWIS said he had no objection to amend the
clause, allowing the proceeds of the tax to be disposed of in
such. metropolitan improvements in, and adjacent to, the
city of London as Parliament might sanction.
After a short discussion the proposition of the right hon.
baronet was agreed to.
The house was engaged in discussing clause 7 at four
o'clock, at which hour the sitting was suspended.
The house resumed at 6 o'clock.
THE GARIBALDI FUND.

The Earl of DERBY asked the noble duke whether he
proposed to promote the officers drawn from the merchant
et rvice beyond the rank of lieutenant, and whether he
would not extend that promotion to the rank of captain ?
The Duke of SOMERSET said they would be entitled
t) continuous promotions, and to honorary rank, but they
would not be entitled to pay or be called for active service.

The motion was then agreed to, and their lordships
adjourned at 10 minutes to 6 o'clock.

HOUSE OF COMMONS—YESTERDAY.
The SPEAKER took the chair at twelve o'clock.
PRIVATE BUSINESS.

The following bills were read a third time and passed :
Conway and Llanrwst Railway (New Title) ; London,
Chatham, and Dover Railway (Lease of Margate Railway,
&e.) ; Margate Roilway (Ramsgate Extension, &c.) ;
Stourbridge Railway (Extension to Smethwick, &c.) ; West
llartlepool Harbour and Railway (Traffic, &c.)
The following bills were considered and ordered to be
read a third time :—Mold and Denbigh Junction. Railway ;
North London Railway (Branch to the City) ; North Lou.
don Railway (Widening) ; Somerset Central Railway.
LONDON COAL AND WINE DUTIES BILL.
On the motion for going into committee on the London
Coal and Wine Dues Continuance Bill,
Mr. AYRTON rose and moved, "That it be an instruc-
tion to the committee on the bill that they have power to
make provision in the bill for continuing the fund provided
by sections 2 and 5 of the Act 11 Geo. 4, c. 64, and for pay-
ing the proceeds thereof to the account to be opened under
the bill ; that it be an instruction to the committee that they
have power to make provision in the bill for transfer-
ring to the Metropolitan Board of Works the lands,
tenements, and hereditaments called the Bridge House
Estates, now vested in the mayor, commonalty, and citizens
of the City of London, subject to any trust affecting the
same, and any charges thereon, and for paying the surplus
income thereof to the account to be opened under the
bill. That it be an instruction to the committee that they
have power to make provision in the bill for transferring
to the Metropolitan Board of Works all lands, tenements,
and hereditaments now vested in the mayor, commonalty,
and citizens of the City of London under any statute for
making improvements within the metropolis (except mar-
kets), subject to the trusts affecting the same, and the re-
payment of any moneys raised by the said corporation under
such statutes, and thereby charged on such lands, tene-
ments, and hereditaments, and for. transferring to the
Metropolitan Board of Works all the powers conferred by
such statutes on the said corporation. That it be an
instruction to the committee that they have power to make
provision in the bill for the pasment of the metage dues on
grain, fruit, wares, or merchandise received by the mayor,
commonalty, and citizens of the city of London, to the ac-
count to be opened under the bill. That it be an instruction
to the committee that they have power to make provision
in the bill for payment by the conservators of the river
Thames of the surplus of the annual income received by
them to the account to be opened under the bill. The hon.
gentlemen entered at length into the whole question, and
said it resolved itself into whether the house wished to
give the corporation of the City of London the coal
dues, instead of retaining them for purposes to which it had
been applied for the last two hundred years. The origin
of the fund was to rebuild the City of London after the
great fire in 1666. He then entered into an elaborate
description of the corporation fund, and said the whole case
resolved itself on the question, as he had said before, of ,
giving the whole of the funds to the City, totally disregard-
ing the circumstances under which it was raised. He con-
tended that the inhabitants at large, having paid
off the debts which the corporation fund was ally
intended to meet,,were entitled to full benefit
of the "gin
heredemp-
ti on.

Mr. COCHRANE gave notice of his intention to alter
the terms of the motion which stood in his name for Friday
next, and to move as follows :—" To call the attention of
the house to the proceedings of a society advertised as the
Garibaldi Fund for the Ayr District of Burghs, while other
members of this house are on the committee of manage-
ment ; and to move that the existence of any society for the
purpose of rendering assistance to any revolutionary party
in any country in alliance with England, is inconsistent
with the principle of non-intervention."
ELIGIBILITY TO PUBLIC APPOINTMENTS OF
BRITISH SUBJECTS BORN IN INDIA.
Col. SYKES gave notice of his intention on Tuesday
next to move a resolution as follows : that on all occasions
when candidates are invited to compete for appointments in
the public service of the crown, British subjects born in
India shall be eligible to compete for such appointments in
the same manner as British subjects born in England and
elsewhere, provided they possess the requisite physical and
moral qualifications.
FLOGGING IN THE ARMY AND NAVY.
On the motion of Mr.WILLIAMS, returns were ordered
respecting the number of persons flogged in the army and
navy in the year 1860, with other particulars.
THE MARCH OF THE GUARDS TO GUILDFORD.
Sir H. VERNEY asked the Under Secretary for War
with what dress and accoutrements the detachment of
Guards was marched from Kingston to Guildford on Thurs-
day last, and at what hour it left Kingston and arrived at
Guildford ; and moved for a copy of the representation, if
any, which was made by the medical officer in charge to the
commanding officer on the probable effect of such a march
on the health of the troops.
Mr. T. G. BARING, in answer to the first part of the
hon. baronet's question, said that the dress and accoutre-
ments of the detachment of Guards on their march from
Kingston to Guildford on Thursday, were such as were used
in what is termed marching order; that was to say, the
weight of the dress and accoutrements altogether amounted
to from 451bs. to 491bs. He had only further to remark as
to the order in which they marched, that the commanding
officer stated that the men were allowed to pull off their
stocks and unbutton their tunics, if they wished to do so.
With respect to the hours, they started from Kingston at
10 minutes past six in the morning, and reached Guildford
at a quarter past two in the afternoon. In reply to the latter
part of the question as to whether any representation had
been made by the medical officer in charge, he begged to say
he had been informed that the assistant-surgeon to the de-
tachment made no representation with regard to the march,
that the detachment had marched on the preceding day
without any serious consequences resulting, and that the
medical officer did not think it necessary to make any re-
presentation. He would only add that the question of cloth-
ing.. in the army had long occupied the serious attention of
ten,:n_Rucoirse Guards, and that several great improvements
e to the health and comfort of the soldier had been
effected of late years.
Mr. GRIPPITTRE SUEZ CANAL.
ri asked the Secretary of State for Foreign
Affairs whether he ha,dorrsvecaseivleid any information that M. de
Lesseps had obtained
carapeiltehly to obtain, authority from
; wheetnahetrives, by forced labour
the Pacha of Egypt to
Dacha
tot wasd in accordance
to work on the Suez Canal
oareihsathe Porte, for
with the engagements of the
the observance of the Heti Scheriff of
dthoether
whether her
humane edicts of the empire, that he should couten and
tives of Egypt to work by forced labour; and
Majesty's Government had made, or proposed to make,
any
communication to the Governments of Turkey, Egypt,
or
France, in the interest of humanity, on this subject?
Lord J. RUSSELL—In reply to the first question of the
hon. gentleman, I have to state that we had information
some time ago from her Majesty's Consul -General in Egypt
that M. de Lesseps had obtained an order from the Pacha of
l
Egypt, that 10,000 natives should be employed by forced
on the works of the Suez Canal. The consul-gene-
ral stated he believed that some of them had been sent
down by the railway in order to labour at these works,
but that he expected that in a few days they would be al-
lowed to leave it. I think that is rather a proof that the
works of the canal are proceeding. After that her Majesty's
Government applied to the Porte, and stated what the hon.
gentleman had referred to, viz., that the system of forced
labour was against the agreement of the Sultan. According
to the last accounts I have received, Kurschid Pacha stated
that there was no forced labour employed in Egypt, and
that he did not give any credence to the reports which were
prevalent. Whether it was that the pucha was deceived, or
the consul-general, it is impossible for me to say; I can
only say that I propose to make further inquiry into the
subject. In conclusion, I may inform the hon. gentleman
and the house that her Majesty's Government have received
intelligence to-day that the Sultan died this morning
(Tuesday).

Mr. WILLIAMS seconded the motion
)
The LORD MAYOR said it would
13; impossible to go
by the hon-
an not t
t
into the different historical facts alluded
to pn ha °
ourablo member. The city of London
much affected by the bill as had been represented,
real question was should certain important metropolitanbe
improvements be made for which there was no official fund
out of which the expenses could be liquidated. The city
was not interested to the extent the hon. gentleman wished
the house to believe.

Sir G. C. LEWIS said the hon. gentleman the member
for the Tower Hamlets had addressed to the house a long
series of complaints respecting himself, as the only
indivi-
dual interested for the public good, and accusing others
cif
having entered into a conspiracy, the principal delinquents
being the Corporation of London and the members of her
Majesty's Government. The principal accusation against
the Government was that they had not brought
in the bill at an earlier period of the session,
and also that they had fixed it for a morning sitting, which
was a perfect invasion of the freedom of debate, and an
arrangement to prevent them being fully heard. Now, he
did not think there was anything out of the ordinary
coarse to bring such a bill as the present on before
the house at a morning sitting, and therefore that
disposed of that part of the honourable gentleman's
speech. The bill was not, as had been represented, a
job ; it was founded on the report of the select committee
which sat last year, which recommended that the
Thames embankment should be constructed out of
the fund raised as coal dues, and the mea-
sure was to give effect to that recommendation.
(Heal., hear.) He would not attempt to follow the hon.
gentleman in his antique disquisition on the coal duties. The
real question to decide was whether the coal dues should
be continued, and the sum so raised be appropriated to the
embankment of the Thames. The bill declares that such
should be the ease, and he hoped it would meet with the
approval of Parliament.
Lord J. MANNERS supported the bill.
Mr. WILLIAMS said without doubt the Thames ought
to be embanked, but then he did not think it ought to
be carried out by the very objectionable means of a tax
levied on coal. He hoped the great improvement would be
carried out, and that it would not be limited to one side
of the river—(hear, hear).....but it might be effected in same
other way than that proposed by the bill. The corporation
lent, in years gone by, £700,000 to Charles 11., of which
he never repaid one farthing, but gave power to
the corporation to levy a fourpenny duty on coal.
The £700,000 had bop repaid some 70 years ago, but the

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