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arguments used by the noble lord (LOrd R. Cecil) as to the
danger that was threatened to the Church of England by
Nonconformists, he believed the overthrow of the Church
could not be effected by that body, but if it took place at all
it would be by the zeal within its own limits, or the dif-
ference between her members, of which they were all
aware. The right hon. baronet (Sir G. C. Lewis) for
whose speech they had to thank him, though the sup-
porters of the bill had no reason to thank him for his vote
—(laughter)--had scarcely stated the extent of the
grievance of which the Dissenters were subjected to
by the present state of the law. There were
no less than 3,000 congregations of Baptists in England and
Wales, which showed to what a considerable extent that
grievance existed. He proposed that the bill should be
assimilated to the Test Bill, so as to prevent the possibility
of the evils resulting from the measure which its opponents
had predicted. (Hear.)
Mr. NE WDEGATE opposed the bill, which he did not
consider applicable to the grievance complained of. He
contended that if the bill were passed it would legalise the
Roman Catholic funeral processions, and they would have
the spectacle in the parish churchyards of crosses and
genuflexions. Instead of narrowing, this bill would have
the effect of widening the breach between Churchman and
Dissenter.
Mr. BUXTON said that he had listened to the argu-
ment on both sides, and he considered those in favour of
the bill strongly preponderated. The Dissenters had a
large practical grievance to complain of, which this mea-
sure merely proposed to redress, and which would place the
Church of England in a higher position.
Mr. WALPOLE denounced the bill as a bill to remedy
a minimum of grievance by a maximum of inconvenience
At the present time the grievance complained of was
daily diminishing, because they were establishing ceme-
teries all over the kingdom, a portion of unconsecrated
ground in such being reserved for the use of Dissenters.
Mr. BAINES suggested that the present bill shouldibe
withdrawn by his hon. friend who introduced it, as it was
certainly open to objections. He advised the hon. baronet
(Sir M. Peto) to take counsel with gentlemen in office, and
particularly members of the Church of England, and to
consider the provisiens of the Irish bill. He might then
introduce a measure which would be free from the objec-
tions to this bill, and which would have a fair chance of
receiving the sanction of the house.
Sir M. PETO said that if the hon. baronet (Sir W.
Heatb.cote) would withdraw the amendment, he would
withdraw his bill, in order to enable him or the Govern-
ment to bring in a bill more in accordance with the wishes
of the house. If that course were not acceded to he would
press the bill to a division.
Mr. DUNLOP, amid loud cries of " Divide," offered
some observations in support of the bill.
Sir G. GREY appealed to the hon. baronet (Sir W.
Heathcote) to withdraw his amendment. He came to
the house prepared to vote against the bill, but if the
amendment were not withitawn, he would not vote for or
against the bill.
Mr. DISRAELI considered the observation of the
right hon. baronet (Sir G. Grey) the most extraordinary he
MI a " ct "de r ggErTolVard" lig- WhiCsli,
according to their belief, was in conformity with the wishes
of the house. (Hear, hear.) As they had not done so, he
hoped that the amendment would not be withdrawn.
After a few words from Mr. BAILLIE,

The house divided—
For the second reading 155
Against it
Majority —Bl
The bill:was accordingly lost.
COMMON LAW PROCEDURE ACT (In 4) EX-

wards told him I was advised to have nothing at all to do
with it. Within the last 12 months he told me something
About being uncomfortable in his employment. He said it
was a pity I had not a printing-office of my own, as I had
a good deal of pr- ring, enough, indeed, to keep an office
going. He said Francis was in difficulty, and his (Last'?)
situatio . very uncomfortable. I saw him several times
after that, as he brought the bills for revision daily. On
one occasion I asked him what his salary was, and he said
£3 a week. He had a son who was an apprentice, and he
earned about £l. He said with the quantity of printing I
had to do I should get mine done for nothing out of the
profits. I had then nothing to do with the Sunday Times.
I Old him some time afterwards to look out for premises,
and I then heard of the building in Savoy-street from Last.
I afterwards saw Mr. Lye with respect" to renting
it. I told Last I had seen Mr. Lye, and then directed Last
to go and see what wanted doing. I told Last I did not
not wish to make myself a trader, and as such liable to
the bankrupt law. It was a verbal communication. The
words of the receipt put into my hands are in my hand-
writing. I took it to show that I was the owner of the
property. The writing spoken to yesterday as being mine
is so. I perfectly recollect the occasion of making the
deduction of the two pounds. When Last brought it to me
the office was not open, and as Last's salary with his son's
was £4 a week, I said, " Last, I must serve you as they
do at the theatre ; when that is open but half a week there
is but half a week's salary," and I made a deduction of the
£2, as appears on the paper. He afterwards brought me an
agreement for the lease of the premises, and I sent some
of the theatrical carpenters down to make the alterations.
At the time Last brought the agreement, I told him he was
to be the sole manager of the printing-office. Last said,
' " How do you wish the business carried on—in your name,
or that of another ?" I told him I thought it would be
better to carry it on under the name that was already up,
vis., "The Savoy Printing Company." He said, "Very
well; but it would serve him materially if I allowed his
name to appear as manager." I said, " Very well, put
your name as John Last, manager." On the bill-heads
everything appears as " John Last, manager." I asked
what would be wanted. Last said he had some friends in
the trade (travellers), who would supply him with what
goods he required, and he would make out a list of them.
I told him there were certain houses I had dealt with some
time that I could order on my own terms. I said the
Scotch houses would supply me willingly. Last
said he was under obligation to certain houses, and if
I would allow them to supply the type he would feel
obliged. Mr. Last afterwards came to me with a traveller
T,1^1,..• TT. 13,,,tnfAd me to be security
for Mr. Last. I told him I had just had to pay it.z,uuu ler
one person, and I would not again be security for any one.
The goods were ordered, and Mr. Gentle, the traveller,
wanted me to sign a memorandum. The goods were sent
and invoiced to myself. I told Gentle, in Last's presence,
that I would be security for- no person. The agent from
Messrs. Stevenson came to me for goods supplied to James
Last. I erased the name of " Last," and substituted the
word " me," and signed it "E. T. Smith." I also sent
Messrs. Stevenson a letter telling them I would not be
security for any one, and gave them the directions to act
on that understanding in all future transactions. I showed
Last all the letters I sent to Messrs. Stevenson. I told
Last I should put a clerk into the office whose duty it
would be to receive moneys and orders and pay the same
into Messrs. Seale and Low's bank in Leicester-square.
The "Commercial" is my general bank, but I banked with
Messrs. Seale to a certain extent, because in my early career
they lent me £l,OOO.

Last recalled—l had no account of my own at Messrs.
Seale's.

Examination continued—Each Saturday Last brought
me a bill of what I had to pay for wages. He never made
any other claim on me. Once he made a communisation
about his position. He said, " I want to endeavour to better
my position." I told him he had the same salary with me
as he had with Francis. Last said, as he (Francis) had
committed suicide he thought he should get a better salary
if ho went back, or got somebody to purchase the business
for him. I told him he was quite welcome to go if he
chose. He afterwards asked me to admit him as a
partner. 1 told him I never would do so,
as I could any day get a manager for £3 a
week, but if he continued as manager at the salary he
was receiving, probably when all liabilities for the printing
office were paid, I would see what could be done for him.
I finally had a quarrel with Last, and when I went to secure
the books of the printing office Last told me I had no right
in the place, as it was his house. Mrs. Dowling is an old
friend of mine. I have known her for upwards of 30 years.
Some time ago I made an assignment of the Sunday Times
to her. She put the judgment she possessed against me in
execution by my direction to try this question.
Cross-examined by Mr. M. Chambers—There was some
years ago a scandal about about me and Mrs. Dowling. I
was charged with seducing her. I was only charged—that
is a very different thing from doing so. Mr. Dowling was
a superintendent of the L division of police. I was inspec-
tor and afterwards superintendent of the same division. I
did not go off with Mrs. Dowling. I used to visit
the Dowlings. Mr. Dowling went away from his wife, and
I remained. (Laughter.) Mrs. Dowling afterwards passed
as Mrs. Smith. I received money from her to pay the rent
of Barnes cottage. I owed her in all about £2,000. She
did not lend me the money all in a lump. It is now about
seven years ago. It was lent to me to speculate with. I
did not see Dowling about it. The last settlement I had
with Mrs. Dowling was about two years ago. She passed
as Mrs. Smith just as I have heard ladies pass as " Mrs.
j Chambers."

Mr. Chambers—l most distinctly deny that statement.
I hope you will merely answer the questions that are put to
you.

Cross-examination continued—l am lessee of Her Ma-
jesty's Theatre, Drury-lane, and proprietor of the Radnor
Tavern. I lent Baron Nicholson money to go into the
" Coal Hole."—(laughter)—which I lost. I also lent him
another sum of money to avoid his goods being sold. I
sold the &iday Times at a profit. I have
been complimented on my extraordinary memory.
I have a ready pen to draw up an agreement.
lam always ready to do so. Great many persons, I am
happy to say, take my 4re word. I take theirs. There's
a man in Court there—Tom Matthews, the clown—he's
taken my bare word for an engagement for five years.
I have made thousands of agreements. Last was my ser-
vant, and nothing more.
Re-examined by Sergeant Ballantine—l shall be 50 next
birthday. I was about 20 years old when the affair of
Mrs. Dowling took place. I remained in the police seven
months after that affair. I was promoted to superintendent.
The Duke of Wellington and Sir R. Peel put their names
down for me. My father was an admiral in the navy.
Mr. Lewis, Mr. Smith's treasurer, said he was well
acquainted with the whole of the circumstances connected
with the printing office froln first to last. It was only
within a very short time that he had heard anything about
Last claiming any property in the office.
After some further evidene), the case was adjourned
I until to-morrow.

POLICE INTELLIGENCE.—(This Day.)

MARLBOROUGH-STREET.

ROBBERY BY A BETTING MAN,—George Blanch, de-
scribed as a "betting man," was charged with stealing a
sovereign under the following circumstances :
Edward Smith, a coachman, said he was at the Black
Horse publichouse, Coventry-street, en the night of the Ist
December last, and took out of his purse a sovereign, which
the prisoner knocked out of his hand on to the floor, and
then picked it up and ran out of the house with it. He
saw the prisoner again last night at the Three Tuns in
Rupert-street, and at once said, "You are the young man I
want for robbing me of a sovereign." The prisoner said,
" pray don't give me in charge," and ho then got a con-
stable and gave him into custody.
Mr, Tom Surridge, of the Black Horse, Coventry-street,
said he saw the prisoner knock the sovereign out of prose-
cutor's hand, and then pick it up and run out of the house
with it.

Prisoner said that returning from Enfield Steeple Chases,
the Volunteer Steeple Chases, he called in at the Black
Horse, and having had a good deal to drink, and seeing a
sovereign lying on the floor ho picked it up, but he did not
know how it came there. The prosecutor had offered to let
him pay the money back, which he considered condoned
the affair.

Mr. Tyrwhitt having ascertained that the prisoner was
known, said he thought the word " condonation" was only
known at Doctor's Commons, but people seemed now to get
more enlightened.

Committed for three months with hard labour.

THE PRICE OF GOLD.

The quotation of gold at Paris is about 3 per mile prem.,
and the short exchange on London is 25.15 per £1 sterling.
On comparing these rates with the English Mint price of £3
17s. 104 d. per ounce for standard gold, it appears that gold is
about 4-10ths per cent. dearer in London than in Paris.
By advices from Hamburg the price of gold is 425 per mark,
and the short exchange on London is 13.5 per £1 sterling.
Standard gold at the English Mint price is, therefore, about
the same price in London as in Hamburg.
The course of exchange at New York on London for bills at
60 days' sig;ht is 107 to 107} per cent., which, when compared
with the Mint par between the two countries, shows that the
exchange is against England.. But, after making allowance
for loss of interest and charges of transport, the present
rate leaves no profit on sending gold to the United States.

The late Mrs. Shedden Watson has bequeathed
to the National Life Boat Institution £5OO, to enable it to
plant an additional Lifeboat on the coast to be called " The
Brave Robert Shedden." The late Mr. Shedden, who was
Mrs. Watson's son, and a Lieutenant in the Royal Navy,
had made a voyage round the world in his own yacht.
Mrs. Watson was up to the period of her lamented demise a
liberal annual subscriber of £lO 10s. t 3 the Life Boat Insti-
tution.
THE INTERNATIONAL EXHIBITION OF 1862.
We are happy to announce that the French Government,
which has uniformly shown the most friendly interest in
the undertaking, has appointed Prince Napoleon President
of the Commission which is to represent France at the
ensuing islilAtion.