The Sun.
London, England, 1861-06-28 00:00:00

OCCUPATION OF SAVOY.

The Earl of CARNARVON drew attention to the pro-
longed occupation by France of Northern Savoy, and was
[LEFT SPEAKING.]

HOUSE OF COMMONS—(Tnis DAY.)
The SPEAKER took the chair at twelve o'clock.
IRREMOVABLE POOR BILL.

Mr. VILLIERS moved that the house go into committee
on this bill. He explained that its object was, in the first
place, to reduce the period of residence ; and, in the second
place, to extend the area; both of which principles seemed
to be admitted as just by practical men connected with
parochial matters throughout the country. He believed
that the bill would be of great benefit not only to this
country but to Ireland. (Hear, hear.) The right hon. gen-
tleman quoted extensively from the reports of inspectors he
had received, to show the inequalities which at present
prevailed in reference to the mode of assessment.
Mr. ESTCOURT said that a pt °position had been made
to reject this bill, and he presumed that that question would
not be raised to-day. He (Mr. Estcourt) should be most
ready to give his best support to the bill, because he
thought it would, with one exception, tend to simplify the
poor laws of the country, and would be of great advan-
tage to the country as well as to the poor.
Sir J. GRAHAM said that members would have a much
better opportunity of discussing the measure if the Speaker
were allowed to leave the chair, so that the house might go
iuto committee.

Mr. KNIGHT thought that the house had great reason
to c, mplain of the course which had been taken by the
head of the Poor Law Department, who had introJuced the
bill without allowing the country to know anything
about it.

Mr. LOCKE, on the part of his constituents, objected to
the bill, which provided that the charges should be levied
upon unions, which gave the large parishes nothing, for
they were unions in themselves at the present time.
Sir J. PAKINGTON recommended that the house
should at once go into committee on the bill.
Sir G. GREY also recommended a similar course, in order
that some definite issue might be raised, and that the sit-
ting should not be wasted in a desultory conversation.
Mr. WALTER expressed his concurrence in the princi-
ple of the bill. He was of opinion that the area of rating
should coincide with the area of management.
Sir J. SHELLE Y objected to the bill, and remarked that
if any one moved that the bill should be committed that
day three months he should support it. (Cries of " Move,
move.")
Sir W. JOLLIFFE said th;s bill was merely the re-
newal of a beneficial principle which had been in existence
many years.
Mr, W, E. FORSTER thought that the ollargeable area

I should be co-extensive with the employing el labour, and
I this object the bill, ho thought, would tend to accomplish.
Sir H. VERNEY thought that the bill would interfere
with the promotion of good agriculture, as productive
neighbourhoods wo- ~d have to pay for bad ones. In many
portions of the bill, however, he entirely concurred.
Mr. CAYLEY objected to the bill as it would destroy the
basis of the princip.e of local self-government. He should
move as an amendment that the bill be committed that day
three months, in order that the public might have a full
opportunity of considering its provisions.
Mr. HENLEY held that the bill would make a very
great change in a very important law. If wider this bill
they could not resist putting the metropolis together, how
could they resist putting the whole nation together. The
bill had been so curiously managed that the country really
in effect knew nothing about it, and he thought that more
time should be given for its consideration, and if the amend-
ment were pressed he should vote in its favour.
Sir G. LEWIS said that the bill Was essentially one of
details, and contained nothing but a development
of principles recognised in the existing law. Having
adverted to the bills respectively introduced by Sir
Robert Peel, Mr. Bodkin, and Mr. Buller, to show
that there was no necessary connection between irre-
movability and the principle of union settlement, the
right hon. baronet said the first great change proposed by
this bill was the diminution of the term of five years, which
constituted irremovability, which was a mere question of
detail. For his own part he wished to see the law of settle.
went utterly abolished, a course which he believed would
be perfectly practicable and perfectly safe. (Hear.) He be-
lieved the law of Ireland in this matter was perfectly sound,
and he should like to see it made the basis of our legislation.
The next change was that when a person had been resi-
dent three years, he should have the benefit of having
been resident in the union instead of in the parish.
It appeared to him that the principal objection to the
bill was in reference to the ninth clause, a matter which
would be best discussed in committee. He should be op-
posed to county rating or national rating, but union rating
he believed was a sound principle, because it would be
subject to one board of guardians, and he hoped the house
would not be alarmed by any visionary apprehension.
Mr. BARROW protested against deparochialising our
parishes more than they were at present. He protested
against a union rate, still more against a county or a na-
tional rate, but he did not think that this bill was open to
such objections. (Hear, hear.)
Sir B BR EDGES believed that there would have been
stronger representations on both sides of the house with re-
gard to the bill, if it had been made more thoroughly known
to the country. He considered that there would be the
greatest possible advantage in maintaining the present
parochial system.
The house then divided—
For going into committee
Against it
Majority 143
The motion was carried, and the house went into com-
mittee, but no progress was made, it being only three
minutes to four.

At four o'clock the Usher of the Black Rod summoned
the house to the House of Lords to hear the royal assent
given by commission to certain bills.
The sitting was then suspended.
At six o'clock the house resumed, and was
[LEFT SITTING.]

LONDON GAZETTE-(7 HIS EVENING.)

WHITEHALL, JUNE 26.

The Queen has been pleased to direct letters patent to be
passed under the Great Seal, granting the dignity of a
Baron of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland
unto the Right Hon. Sir Richard Bethell, Knt., Chancellor
of that part of the said United Kingdom, called Great Bri-
tain, and to the heirs male of his body lawfully begotten,
by the name, style, and title of Baron Westbury, of West-
bury, in the county of Wilts.
At the Court at :Buckingham Palace, the 26th day of
June, 1861—Present, the Queen's Most Excellent Majesty
in Council. This day the Right Hon. Sir Richard Bethel!,
Knight, was, by her Majesty's command, sworn of her
Majesty's Most Honourable Privy Council, and took his
place at the board accordingly.
At the Court at Buckingham Palace, the 26th day of
June, 1861, present, the Queen's Most Excellent Majesty
in Council. Her Majesty in Council was this day pleased
to deliver the Great Seal to the Right Hon. Sir Richard
Bethell, Knight; whereupon the oath of Lord Chancellor
of Great Britain was, by her Majesty's command, admi-
nistered to him ; and he took his place at the board accord-
ugly.

WAR-OFFICE, JUNE 28. •
The Queen has been graciously pleased to give orders for
the following appointments to the Most Honourable Order
of the Bath :

To be Ordinary Members of the Military Division of the
First Class, or Knights Grand Cross, of the said Most
Honourable Order, viz. :
General Sir Arthur Benjamin Clifton, K.C.B.
Admiral Sir Phipps Hornby, K.C.B.
General Sir James Archibald Hope, K.C.B.
General Sir Thomas William Brotherton, K.C.B.
General Sir Samuel Benjamin Auchmuty, K.C.B.
Almiral Sir Barrington Reynolds, K.C.B.
General Sir Thomas Willshire, Bart. K.C.B.
Vice-Admiral the Right Hon. Sir Maurice Frederick
Fitzhardinge Berkeley, K.C.B , and
Lieutenant-General Sir Harry David Jones, K.C.B.
To be Ordinary Members of the Military Division of the
Second Class, or Knights Commanders, of the said Most
Honourable Order, viz. :
Admiral Edward Harvey.
Lieut.-General William Henry Sewell, C.B.
Lieut.-General George William Paty, C.B.
Lieut.-General James Shaw Kennedy, C.B.
Lieut.-General George Leigh Goldie, C.B.
Lieut.-General John Michell, C.B.
Vice-Admiral Henry William Bruce.
Vice-Admiral William Fanshawe Martin.
Major-General William Brereton, C.B.
Rear-Admiral Lewis Tobias Jones, C.B. ; and
Colonel the Earl of Longford, C.B.
DOWNING -STREET, JUNE 25.
.

The Queen has been pleased to appoint Henry Nicholas
Duverger Beyts, Esq., to be Protector of Immigrants for
the Island of Mauritius.
Her Majesty has also been pleased to appoint Nicholas
Cox, Esq., to be Inspector-General of Prisons, and David
Lillie, Esq., to be Inspector of Prisons, in the colony of
British Guiana.
ADMIRALTY, JUNE 28.
The following promotion, dated the 22d inst., consequent
upon the death on the 21st inst., of Rear-Admiral of the
Blue the Hon. Frederick Thomas Pelham, C. 8., has this
day taken place :—Captain Woodford John Williams to be
Rear-Admiral of the Blue.