The Sun.
London, England, 1857-07-15 00:00:00

-PARLIAMENT.

HOUSE OF LORDS.—(YEsTERDAY.)
The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat on the Woolsack
at five o'clock.
The Duke of MONTROSE presented a petition from
a place in Scotland az3.inst the Oaths Bill.
EDUCATION IN THE ARMY.
The Earl of lIA.RDWICKE begged to ask the noble
lord the Secretary at War whether any new plan had
been determined upon for the education of candidates
f >r admission to the army, and if so, whether there would
be any objection to lay the document containing the
alterations on the table of the house ?
Lord PANMURE said the question would involve
a very long explanation if he were to enter into details.
He begged to inform the noble lord that the edu-
cation of the officers of the army was placed
under the superintendenoe of the Commander-in-
Chief., assisted by a council of three general
officers.

That council had made its first report,

in which Le entirely concurred, and as soon as it ha'd re-
ceived the approval of her Majesty, it would be laid upon

the table of the home.

Tne Earl of HARTWICKE asked if it was intended
to make any alterations in the schools at Woolwich and

Sauduurgi?

Llrd PANMURE said it was intended to conzinne
the two schools as far as possible on the game footing,
but as far as possible to render them more efficient for
the object for which they were established.
On the motion of Lord REDESDALE, the following
bid were read a second time :—Othy and Skipton Road,
East Somerset Railway, Mallow and Ferinoy and Great
Southern and Western Railway, Great Northern and
Western of Ireland Extension Railway, Milland Great
Western Railway of Ireland, and Giustinianes Naturali-

Ball'n.
On the motion of Lord REDESDALE the following bills
were read a third time and passed :—Banff and Nlacthiff
and Tarriff Extension Railway ; Cork and Youghal
Railway ; Stockton New Gas, and Stockton Gas
Consumers ; Banff, Portroy, and Stathisla Railway ;
City of Glasgow and Suburban (as amendeo) ; Stam-
ford and Essendine Railway (as amended); Briton
Ferry and Victoria (London) Docks.
STATE OF INDIA.

Earl GRANVILLE said, inaccordance with the
promise given I..st night, he now rose to communicate
all the information the GJvernment had received from
India. The intediga ce was contained in several
telegraphic despatches, and contained no new facts be-
yond those published in the newspapers to-day. The noble,
earl then read a number of despatches containing pre
cisely the same intelligence as that which be found
in another part of The Sun.
ALE HOUSES LICENSING BILL.

Lord RAVENSWORTH moved the second reading
of this b:11, which was to alter the present mode of
granting licenses to houses for the sale of ale and beer.
Lord WENSLE YDALE objected to the bill, and moved
that it be read a second time that day six months. He
thought the tribunal it propocied to establish, for the
granting and supervision of licenses, would not be as
tfficient as that already in existence.
The bill was understood to be read a second time.
IRISH REPRESENTATIVE PEERS BILL.

Lord REDESDALE moved the second reading
of this bill, which was to place Irish peers upon the same
footing as Scotch peers.
The bill was read a second times
CROWDED DWELLINGS PREVENTION DILL.
This bill passed through committee.
JOINT STOCK COMPANIES BILL.
The LORD CHANCELLOR, moved the second
reading of this bill, which W 33 to give the creditors
of an insolvent j,,int-stock company power to
take proper steps against those who were liable
to pay for the purpse of creating a common fund out of
which the creditors might be paid in full, provided there
was a sum raised sufficient to do so. If not, then the
debts were to be paid off proportionably.
Lord MONTEAGLE complained that the bill would
operate unjustly towards judgment creditors in Ireland,
as it would destroy that priority which their judgments
gave them.
Lord WENSLEYDALE was understood to support
the bill.
Lard St. LEONARDS said the7creditors of joint-
atozks in Ireland ought to be placed on the same footing
as creditors of joint-stock banks in England, as far as
their rights were concerned. In Eng!and the creditors
could make a bank bankrupt, but they could not du so
in Ireland.
The bill was then read a second time.
REGISTRATION OF LONG LEASES
(SCOTLAND) BILL.
This bill was read a second time.
TRANSPORT SHIPS.

The Earl of HARDWICKE rose to call the attention
of the house to the hiring of tonnage for the transport
service of the Government. The last year of the war as
much as five millions sterling was voted, and for the pre-
vi us year three millions. In the last war the number of
hired transports was 113. The Government took up the
tonnage sometimes by the gross tonnage and sometimes
by the register tonnage. By the first method the public
lost ore-third, because they paid for what they did not
get. Out of the 118 vessels, 24 were hired according to
their gross tonnage. Tne remainder were hired by regis-
ter. Tpe 24 vessels were 39,800 tons, and the grass
amount paid for these vessels was 92,0001. per mouth,
while those which had been hired by register tonnai,e,
taking the same number of vessels, cost 63,000/. per
month. Therefore the country had loot on those 24 res•
eels 30,0001. per month. He hat brought this case f, r•
ware to show the necessity of hiring ships by register

tonnage.
Lord STANLEY of ALDERLEY said he caukl not
give any any information upon the subject, as it was
one entirely within the province of the A,iruiralty. fie
would, however, make inquiries at the Admiralty, and
let the noble lord know the result.
The Esrl of ELLENBOROUGII impressed upon the
Government the necessity of hiring good sailing vessels
for the conveyance of troops to India.
Lord PANMURE said the ships that had been hired
were all clippers, as he was informed by the chairman of
the East India Company.
The Duke of NEWCASTLE wac somewhat alarmed
to hear that there was a diyidrd authority iu this matter,
because he learnt from the noble lord that the Rust India
Company had the control of these transports. He thougot
the entire and sole control ought to be in the hands of
the Secretary for War.
The Earl of ELLENBOROUGH said the East India
. Company paid for the ships, and of course they provided
them.

Lord PANMURE—That has always been Vle case.
POSTAL ARRANGEMENTS FOR INDIA.

The Earl of lIARDWICKE asked if any arrange
mints had been made for facilitating the postal arrange-
ments for India ? The illustrious man who governed
France would, he was convinced, do anything that could
conduce to our convenience. All the railways of France
were in the hands of the Government. The mails to
India were detained 24 hours at Niar,eillts, and he would
be g'ad to know if any steps had been taken to prevent
that delay ?
The Duke of ARGYLL said the noble lord had con-
siderably overrated the delay which took place. lle was
happy to inform his noble friend that in Feb. last the
Frtnch Government Lad made an arrangement for expe-
diting the mails, which arrangement was to forward the
mails if they arrived in the day time by an exprass train.
The India mail arrived at 11 o'clock last night, and
20,000 letters were delivered by the early delivery the
ntxt morning.
The house then adjourned.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.—(YEsTmtDA.Y.)
The SPEAKER took the chair at 12 o'clock.
PETITIONS.

Several petitions were presented by Mr. Gladstone and
other hon. members against the Marriage and Di vorce
Bill ; against the Paper Duty ; against the proposed
Toll on Chelsea new Bridge.
GRAND JURIES (NIETROPOLITAN POLICE
DISTRICT) DUAL. _ _

The hnu3e went into committee on this ilil

Mr. BOWYER moved that the chairman do leave the
Chair. He made the motion because the bill proposed to
abrogate a part of the British constitution. Any defects in
the working of the present system should be remedied and
not destroyed, as was proposed by this bill. He was
surprised to find a bill of this kind emanating from the
quarter it had, and he expressed an opinion that the
hon, and learned gentleman now regretted what he bad
done. Of all places London was the list where the
provisions of such a bill should be applied, from the pro-
bability of political eases arising in veil ich the intervention of
juries was valuable with reference to the rig leteand liberties
of the people. The hon. and learned gentleman referred to
Blackstone, relative to juries, and said that if he were
alive, and in that house, there is very little doubt what
course he would take with reference to this bi 1. The
inconvenience, which individuals suffered in serving on
grand juries, or in having to go before them, ought not
to .be considered in a case of this kind, and made
an excuse for introducing the thin edge of the
wedge (if not the thick end also) for the destruc-
tion of this valuable institution. The hon. and lear,ed
gentleman thin referred to many of the provisions of the
bill, and said that much inconvenience would arise under
it as at present existed, and he contended that the present
grand jury system could, be improved so as to meet the
requirements of the age. He considered it was import•
ant, especially in London, that the grand jury system
should be continued, because it familiarised and identi-
fied the trading classes with the administration of the
criminal law of the country, and it also protected the
liberties of the subject, especially in political charges
lie considered the bill fraught with so much danger to
society and the constitution of the country, that he
could not consent to its proceeding further this session.
Sir F. TEIESIGER coinpiained of the course now
taken, because when be introduced the bil', on a fresh
*xplanation of its tLtaile, no objections were raised to it.
%WO passed a second reading without opposition to its
Principle, and the first time he received any intimation
of opposition to its details was on the night when the
committee was' named. The hon. and learned gentle-
man stated that he did not regret the introduction of
the bill, and be assured the house that he had intro-
duced it a belief that the change be
proposed, 'was necessary. Evidence of the greatest im-
portance was given on the sulject before the Statute
Law Commission, and before a committee of `that house,
relative to the abolition of grand juries in Pie metro-
politan police district, and it was on the recommenda-
tion of the commission and the committee that he had
bssed this measure, which had received the sanction of
the Government. The lion, and learned gentleman
then entered into the constitution of grand juries, and
the necessity that now existed for their abolition, in the
Course of which he used the same arguments lie did on