The Sun.
London, England, 1861-06-04 00:00:00

NOES, 85.

Angerstein, W. Gibson, T. M. Paget, Lord A.
Bagwell, J. Gilpin, C. Paget, Lord C. E.
Ball, E. Gladstone, W. E. Pakington, Sir J. S.
Baring, Sir F. Gladstone, Capt. Palmerston, Visct.
Baring, Thos. Geo. Goddard, A. L. Peel, F.
Beaumont,Somerset Goldsmid, Sir F. Pinney, Wm.
Beecroft, G. S. Gordon, C. W. Powys, L. P.
Bentinek, G. W. P. Grey, Rt. Hn. Sir G. Proby, Lord. G. L.
Bernard,W. W. S. Hankey, Thomson Pryse, Capt. E. L.
Brown, James Hassard, M. D. Puller,C. w.
Bury, Viscount Headlam, Thos. E Ricardo, J. L.
Cardwell, Rt. Hn. E. Herbert, H. A. Salomons,Ablerinan
Carnegie, Hon. C. Hervey, Lord A Selwyn, C. J.
Cavendish, Hon. W. Hodgson, R. Seymer, H. K
Clay, James Howes, Edward Seymour, Sir M.
Close, M. C. Hutt, W. Somerville, Sir W.
Colebrooke, Sir T.E. Jolliffe, Sir W. Spooner, R.
Conolly, Thomas Kendall, N. Talbot, Hon. W. C.
Craufurd, E. H. J Kingscote, Lt.-Col. Taylor, Colonel
Denman, G. Liddell, Hon. 11. G. Upton, General
Dunbar, Sir Wm. Lockhart, A. E. Villiers, Rt. Hon. C.
buncombe, W. E. Lovaine, Lord Walcott, Adm. J. E.
Dundas, Sir David Lowe, Rt. Hon.R. Watlington, J. W.
Elcho, Lord Mainwaring, T. Whitbread, S.
Ellice, E., jun. Martin, J. Wood, Rt Hn. Sir C.
Elphinstone, Sir J Moncreiff, J.
Evans, T. W. Montagu, Lord R.
Fergusson, Sir J. Montgomery, Sir G.
Fortescue, C. S. Mowbray, Rt. Hn. J. Brand, H. B.
Gard, R. S. Northcote, Sir S. H. Knatchbull-Hugess

TELLERS.

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THE CHURCH RATE BILL.

I. REASONS FOR PASSING THE BILL.

1. A similar exaction (Vestry Cess) has been abolished in
Ireland, and without detriment to the Episcopal Church in
that country.
2. Twenty-seven years ago the Ministers of the Crown
proposed that Church-rates should be abolished, and hosti-
lity to the impost has never abated, but has been increasing
ever since.

3. All parties admit that the law should be altered ; but
no other measure than that of Sir John Trelawny has been
sanctioned by the House of Commons.

4. Opposition in parish Vestries has reduced the annual
sum derivable from Church-rates from £519,307 in 1827, to
£263,709 in 1859, and the amount is diminishing year by
year.

5. The rate has been quite abolished in the large and in
many of the small towns ; and it is now being gradually ex-
tinguished in the rural parishes.

6. Church-rates have been shown to be unnecessary. The
churches erected in recent years have always been repaired
without them, and the churches are in good repair in the
parishes where rates are abolished.

7. The erection of voluntarily sustained churches has
made church-rates unjust to those who worship in them;
while the extension of rates to district churches would need-
lessly displace a large amount of voluntary contributions.

11. OBJECTIONS TO COMPROMISE.
1. Of the many schemes of compromise hitherto proposed
not one has been sanctioned by a single Parliamentary
majority.
2. The opponents of church-rates will not assent to a
compromise; and, if they would, there is no compromise
which the upholders of church-rates can agree to offer
them.

3. Any scheme based on compromise must be an experi-
ment ; its operation would be uncertain, and its failure
would only increase the ill-feeling creatad by the existing
system.

4. It is better for the Church of England, and for the
community at large, to close this lengthened struggle by a
decisive act, which would remove an admitted grievance,
than to incur the risk of another agitation, which would
certainly end in total abolition.

111. SHOULD CHURCHMEN " TAX THEMSELVES P"
I. If Churchmen are willing to furnish the required
funds, it is needless to tax them ; if unwilling, they ought
not to be compelled.

2. If Episcopalians may claim the right to tax themselves
it must be no less the right of other religious bodies ; and
chapel-rates for Dissenters must be conceded, as well as
church-rates for Churchmen.

3. The making optional the payment of a public impost
would be an impolitic and dangerous innovation, and one
which could not be limited to religious matters.
4. The registration of all objectors to church-rates--
which would be needed for any scheme of exemption—would
sectarianize the Church and create an invidious distinction
between the inhabitants of parishes. _ _

5. Many objectors to church• rates would be deterred, by
local influence, from claiming exemption, as they now are
deterred from voting against rates in vestry, and the mea-
sure proposed for their relief would thus be practically use-
less.

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