The Sun.
London, England, 1861-06-08 00:00:00

AMERICAN PRIVATEERS.

Mr. LIDD ELL asked the Secretary of State for Foreign
Affairs whether the proposal made by her Majesty's Go-
vernment to the United States, and the so styled Confede-
rate States of America, to interdict the armed ships and
also the privateers of both parties from carrying prizes
made by t hem into the ports of the United Kingdom, or of
any of her Majesty's colonies or possessions abroad, was or
was not at variance with former practice ?
Lord J. RUSSELL said that what the Government had
dote was, as he had previously stated, to give instruc-
tion to their authorities in the colonies to interdict privateers
coming into the ports under their jurisdiction. It was diffi-
cult to say what was the usage of Great Britain in reference
t. trio ...4A., them wcio few inzulttme walrt in
which this country had not been concerned ; but it was the
opinion of the Queen's Advocate that according to the law
of nations it was competent for any country to make such
regulations as might appear to them necessary under the
circumstances.

WITHDRAWAL OF MR. GRAHAM DUNLOP.
Mr. DUNLOP asked the Secretary of State for Foreign
Affairs, whether it was the case that the Austrian Govern-
ment had demanded the withdrawal of Mr. G. Dunlop
from Pestb, and whether he had been, in consequence, re-
called to Vienna ; also, whether his conduct while at Pesth
had given any occasion of dissatisfaction to her Majesty's
Government, or any just cause of complaint to that of
Austria? _

LordJ. RUSSELL said that it was according to his
desire and the wish of the English Ambassador, that Mr.
Graham Dunlop had been sent to Pestle. It was remarked
soon after his appointment, that his presence might
give countenance to the discontent in Hungary, and he
(Lord J. Russell) stated that he would be ready to with.
draw Mr. Graham Dunlop if that was the wish of the
Austrian Government. He did accordingly withdraw him,
but that was not in consequence of any complaint against
him, and the Government were perfectly satisfied with his
conduct.

Mr. DUNCOMBE inquired if there Would be any ob-
jection to lay the despatches on this subject on the table of
the house ?

Lord T. RUSSELL said there were no despatches on
the question, and it was merely mentioned in private con-
versation.

THE LATE VICE-CONSUL AT XERES.
Lord J. RUSSELL wished to make an explanation on
the subject of the withdrawal of Mr. Gordon, the Vice-
Consul at Xeres in Spain. This gentleman was acccused
of improper conduct in reference to interference in the free
exercise of their religious duties by British Protestants at
Xeres. On the 28th of May he gave orders that Mr. Gor-
don should be transferred to another post.
THE CONFEDERATED STATES OF AMERICA.
Colonel PATTEN appealed to the hon. member opposite
(Mr. Gregory) not to press the motion which he had on
the paper this evening on going into committee of supply,
as to the expediency of the prompt recognition by this
country of the Confederation of the Southern States of
America.

Mr. GREGORY said that he could assure the house he
had no desire to adopt a course that might be objectionable
in reference to this subject. His only object was to bring
before the house an impartial statement of the real nature
of the diffemnces between the States of America.
The public had only heard of these differences
through the medium of the Northern press of America
However, as there was such a strong feeling in the house
on the subject, he should not place himself in opposition
to the wish of hon. menabers. Therefore he would not
withdraw his motion, but would postpone it sine die, with
the hope that, before the close of the session, he would be
able to bring forward a statement on the subject.
Mr. M. MILNES hoped that Mr. W. Foster would also
withdraw his motion, which was as follows :—" To call
the attention of the house to the inexpediency of interfering
in behalf of those citizens of the United States who are
now in insurrection against their Government, by a recog-
nition of the Confederacy which they have formed."
Mr. FO IV,TER, considering that it!would be undesirable
to enter into a discussion on thi3 subject, would consent to
withdraw his motion.

DAY SITTING.
Lord PALMERSTON said it might be convenient if he
then stated that it was proposed to have a day sitting on
Tuesday next to consider the bill relative to criminal law.
APPOINTMENT OF MAJOR-GENERAL EDEN.
On the motion for going into committee of supply,
Mr. CONING HAM called attention to the appointment
of Major-General Morton Eden to the Colonelcy of the
50th Foot, and availed himself of that opportunity to criti-
cise the conduct of the Horse Guards in various appoint-
ments to the highest commissions.
A discussion ensued, and the matter dropped.
COUNT CAVOUR.
Sir R. PEEL—Sir, I rise at this early period to call the
attention of this house to a subject which has already been
alluded to in the other house—l mean the recent death of
Count Cavour. It does appear to me that this is a fitting
occasion for the House of Commons to take an opportunity
of expressing its deep feeling of regret and sympathy at the
loss which Italy has sustained in the premature death of
that statesman, certainly the most conspicuous that ever
directed the destinies of any nation on the continent of
Europe in the path of Constitutional liberty. (Cheers.) It
is not for us to scrutinise the decrees of Providence in the
dispensation of human affairs, but I do think that the cala-
mity which has befallen Italy, and which appears at this
moment to threaten the peace of Europe, is a subject which
might properly engage the attention of this house, as re-
presenting the public opinion of this country. I think it
would be right for us not only to express our own feelings,
but to put the condolence of the public into somewhat of an
official form. It may not be within the knowledge of the
house that in 185.0 the French Assembly entered in the
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proces verbal of their sittings on the sth of July their
regret at the loss which this country had sustained, and
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might suggest some mode of
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entering on our jo
urnals an expression of sympathy at the
toss w • hich Italy and Europe have sustained in Count (Cheers.) M Cavour
fro
Many of us have conscientiously differed
his policy, perhaps from an inadequate knowledge of from
difficulties and dangers which encircled his course. Butth he
is gone, He lies in the grasp
of
death; and when we see

the merits of his character rising so conspicuously to our
view, it is fitting that we should give some expression to the
regret. and sympathy which are felt, not only by this house,
but by very, very many persons in this country. (Cheers.)
Lord J. RUSSELL--Having been engaged in diplomatic
transactions with Count Cavour, I think the hon. baronet
has taken a very proper course in bringing this subject be-
fore the house. I cannot but feel that it is due to him who
has gone away from us to say that I believe there never
was a man that devoted himself—heart, mind, and soul—
more entirely to his country and to Italy than Count Ca-
your. (Loud cheers.) He was endowed with great abilities.
He had also a capacity for great labour; and those abilities
and that labour weredevoted from the earliest time at which
it was in his power to give an opinion, to the achievement
of the independence of Italy. (Hear, hear.) There is no one
that looks back to the time when Count Cavour commenced
that enterprise but must see that it was a task attended
with great difficulties; and the manner in which he began
to interest the Powers of Europe by proposing to act in
concert with England and France in the Crimean war, and
the way in which he afterwards, at the Congress of Paris,
stated amongst the statesmen of Europe what he conceived
to be the griefs and wrongs of Italy, showed not only that
he deeply felt those griefs and those wrongs, but that he
had a clear intuition of those means by which the indepen-
dence of Italy, now happily achieved, could be accomplished.
(Cheers.) With regard to his historical career, this is not
the time to speak of the various transactions in which he
was engaged. I have had the good fortune both to treat
with him diplomatically, and to be personally and privately
acquainted with him ; and I cannot forbear offering this
tribute to the memory of a man who will stand conspicuous
in history as the great liberator of Italy. (Loud cheers.)
The 0' D ON 0 GH UE —I rise fer the purpose of expressing
my entire dissent both from the proposal of the hon. baronet
the member for Tamworth, and from the praises which have
been lavished upon Count Cavour by the noble lord the Se-
cretary of State for Foreign Affairs. (Oh, oh.) One of the
principal features of Count Cavour's policy was its decided
hostility to the temporal power of the Pope. (Cheers.) The
chief characteristic of that policy was a persistent and syste -
matic misrepresentation—(no, no)—of the state of things in
the territories of the Pope, in order to screen and cover the
aggrandisement of Sardinia. (No, no.) Sucha policy might
no doubt harmonise with the prejudices of many gentlemen
on both sides of this house, who are ready to believe every
story of Papal misgovernment, and with that stupid bigotry
which is displayed by too many persons in this country—
(cheers)—but I have no hesitation in saying that his policy
was the grossest outrage upon the most sacred feelings of a
great majority of Christians throughout the world. (Cheers
and Oh, oh.) I yield to no man—neither to the hon. baronet
the member for Tamworth nor to the noble lord the Secre-
tary for Foreign Affairs—in my desire to see the people of
Italy free. (Ironical cheers.) I yield to no man in the dis-
like I have to see Italy under the domination of Austria ;
but I refuse to accept the armed supremacy of Sardinia ever
the heretofore free people of Italy—(Oh, oh, and laughter)
—as the true definition of Italian liberty. lam not afraid,
even in this House of Commons, to say that I think I see
the finger of God's justice in the death of Count Cavour.
(Great disapprobation, and loud cries of " Oh, oh," hisses
and groans, which were repeated at short intervals till the
close of the hon. gentleman's remarks.)
Sir It. PEEL—I would make a suggestion. (Confusion,
in which the hon. baronet resumed his seat without con-
tinuing his interruption.)
The O'DONOGHUE (resuming)—Don't let the house
misunderstand me. (Oh, oh.) I am far from expressing
any exultation in the termination of Count Cavour's career.
(Oh, oh.) On the contrary, I regret as much as any gentle-
man in this house can regret, the death of Count Cavour;
but I regret it for very different reasons. (Oh, oh.)
Mr. MILNES—I think the hon. gentleman has entirely
misapprehended the suggestion of my hon. friend the mem-
ber for Tamworth. It was not his desire that this house
should begin to dispute over the dead body of a great man.
(Cheers.) He desired, I believe, as most members of this
house desire, without reference to any particular form of
opinion, to pay the homage of the constitutional government
of this country to a statesman who has founded constitu-
tional liberty in his own land, and who in additionlo that
glorious achievement has brought about a great national
unity, and made that a fact which for so many years had
been the dream of the best men in Europe. (Cheers.) I
feel so deeply the disappearance of this foremost man in
Europa that I am conscious that words are utterly inade-
quate to express the solemnity of an occasion when we are
not called upon to discuss the character of an individual but
to express as strongly and as simply as we can our sense of
the mighty loss which Europe has sustained in the disap-
pearance of so great a mind—a mind which could not only
grasp the destinies of Italy, but comprehend what would
contribute to the peace of the world, by a combination of
profound policy, moral courage, and intellectual power, such
as existed in no other statesman in Europe. My hon. friend
has alluded, w.th that modesty which becomes him as the
son of so great a man, to the fact, that the National As-
sembly of France entered upon its formal records an ex-
pression of the sympathy which France and Europe felt for
the death of Sir Robert Peel. (Hear, hear.) Perhaps it is
not in accordance with our usages, not being so much within
the influence of continental struggles, to adopt such a for-
mal course ; but I believe it will be thought right on both
sides of the house to express our sympathy and our regret.
Perhaps it is all the better that no political feeling should
be mixed up in the matter ; and I should not have said one
word if the hon. gentleman opposite had not taken upon
himself the function of interpreting the ways:of Providence
—(loud cheers)—in a manner which I am sure in his better
mind, he will feel that he would not have done had he not
been led away by his religious enthusiasm. (Hear, hear.)
It was hardly fair for him, neither is it for me, nor for any
other mortal man, in the exercise of his miserable and feeble
judgment—(hear, hear)—to say whether the disappearance
of Count Cavour from the scene will really tend to the ac-
complishment of even the object which the hon. gentleman
wishes to promote, or whether the confusion and difficulty
to which the Church with which he is connected has
in later times been subjected may not be infinitely
increased by the removal of so great a leading mind. It
never should be left out of consideration that he always
respected the rights of the Catholic church, that he lived
and died a member of that church, and that he has passed
from this scene not more with the character of a great fo-
reign statesman than of one who had rendered the greatest
services to his own country. It is not for me to pronounce
a panegyric upon Count Cavour; the panegyric of Count
Cavour is the sympathy of the civilised world—(cheers)—
and the sympathy with Count Cavour is referable to not
only, I believe, the sense we have of the loss we have sus-
tained, but to the fear which I believe will agitate the mind
of every far-sighted statesman at the difficulties which may
now come upon those great questions, which will now have
to be discussed, without the aid of his great mind—of his
powerful spirit—to lead them on to the glorious end he had
in view. (Cheers.)
Viscount PALMERSTON—I 'cannot refrain from add-
ing a few words to what has been said by those who have
preceded me in this discussion. And I must fairly own that
there was no person more fitting to introduce this subject
to the house than the son of that eminent statesman whose
memory was the subject of a still more formal tribute of ad-
miration by the legislature of a neighbouring country—that
of Franco. My hon. friend has suggested that some pro-
ceeding of the same kind should be adopted on our part on
the present occasion. But with all submission, I would re-
mind him that each country is guided by its own habits ;
that that which may be congenial to the customs of a coun-
try on the Continent, may not be in accordance with our
own ; and I believe there is no such proceeding as that sug-
gested on record in the case of any of the most eminent
statesmen of our own land, whose departure from amidst his
contemporaries may have been .cost the subject of regret.
I therefore think the house will content itself with the ex-
pression of sympathy with the feelings put forward by the
hon. member for Tamworth, which have been already ex-
pressed in the course of this discussion. lam not about to
follow the hon. member on the ether side, who has imported
into the discussion matters which are not connected with it ;
but I feel that I should be wanting to my own sentiments
if I refrained from concurring with those who have ex-
pressed the deep regret they feel at the loss of this dis-
tinguished man; a loss not only to his own country, who
will deeply deplore him, but to the whole of Europe—and
whose memory will live embalmed in the grateful recollec-
tion of his countrymen, and in, the admiration of mankind,
so long as history records his deeds. When I speak of what
he has done—it ought to be borne in mind that those bril-
liant acts of his administration which have most attracted
the notice of the world, viz., the political extension of
unity throughout Italy, are perhaps not those for which his
countrymen will most revere his memory. It should be
remembered that he laid the foundations of improve-
ments, constitutional, legal, and social, in all the internal
affairs of the Italian people, which will long survive him,
and confer inestimable benefits, both on those who live, and
on those who will come hereafter. I was going to say—
" He left a name
To point a moral and adorn a tale."

The moral to be drawn from the life of Count Cavour is
this, that a man of transcendent talents, of indomitable
ernrgy, of inextinguishable patriotism, by the impulses
which his own single mind may give to his countrymen,
aiding arighteous cause—for so I shall call it, in spite of what
may be said—(cheers)—and seizing favourable opportuni-
ties, may, notwithstanding difficulties which at first sight
seem insurmountable, confer upon his country the greatest
and most inestimable benefits. That is the moral to be
drawn from the life of Count Cavour. The tale with which
his memory will be associated is one of the most extraordi-
nary—l may say one of the most romantic—recorded in
the annals of the world. We have seen, under his impulse
and guidance, a people, who were supposed to be torpid in
the enjoyment of luxury—enervated by the pursuits of
pleasure—having no knowledge or feeling of politics except
what may be derived from the traditions of their history,
from the jealousies of rival states—we have seen that people
at his call, and under his guidance, rising from the slumber
of ages, with the power of a giant refreshed, breaking that.
spell by which they had been so long bound, and displaying
upon a great occasion the courage of heroes, the saga:al:in;
statesmen, and the wisdom of philosophers ; n
for themselves a unity of political existence whaindh
Sir, I
for centuries denied to them. (Prolonged cheers.)attaining
tad been
say that this is a great event in history, and
that
with this
whose name will go down to posterity the man
connected• f defttby
series of events, whatever may be the period o

however premature for the hopes of his countrymen, cannot
be said to have died too soon for his glory and for his fame.
(Prolonged cheering.)
The subject then dropped.
_ SUPPLY—THE VOLUNTEERS.

The house then went into Committee of Supply.
On the Volunteer vote in the Army Estimates,
Lord ELCHO called attention to the wants of the Vo-
lunteer force. He said that when first the Volunteer move.
ment was commenced, it was ridiculed even by the Premier
himself. But now times were changed, and the toast of
"The Volunteers" was received with enthusiasm at all
public dinners throughout the country, and even the
noble lord himself could not be elected recently for
Tiverton without calling in their aid. The force numbered
at present 147,955 men, and these had to provide them-
selves with uniform, accoutrements, bands, &c., to the
amount of £1,500,000. Government were now called upon
to contribute something towards the equipments of the
force, and this they might do without in the slightest
degree interfering with the independence of the corps. His
Royal Highness the Duke of Cambridge afforded his advice
and encouragement to the corps, and therefore there was
no ground for contending that the Volunteer movement
was viewed with anything like hostility by tho Horse
Guards. the Government had already given some assist-
ance to the corps, and now some further assistance was
respectfully demanded. They wanted, for instance,
money for drill and musketry instruction, thereby reliev-
ing. the Volunteers from the necessity of resorting to balls
and bazaars for the purpose of raising the amount they
required to render themselves fully equipped. The
noble lord referred to the expense of various corps, the
result of which was to show that they were at the rate of
about 15s. per annum. Something had been said about re-
questing to have from the Government £1 a year, but that
sum was agreed upon at a meeting held a short time since
at the Thatched House, and it was there shown that the ex-
penses to which he referred were about 155., and the re-
maining ss. was put down for travelling expenses; but it
was never proposed that anything so foolish was expected
as that the Government would give the men £1 a-head.
What was wanted was, that the Government should give
them a drill-sergeant, an armourer, and a certain allowance
for ammunition, &c., besides other charges for rifle practice.
The Volunteers already received from Government a sum
of £40,000, which was about ss. per man. In addition to
this, there was a cost of £4,000 for the staff at the War
Office. Now, if the Government gave the assistance which
was asked, the whole expense to the country would not be,
at the outside, more than 20s. or 255. per man. There were,
no doubt, some persons who thought that the olunteer
force would admit of a reduction of the regular army.
There were no persons among the Volunteers who enter-
tained such opinions, for no matter how large or well
trained the Volunteer force might be, it would never do to
diminish the regular army. But if a soldier in the regular
army cost £B3 a year a Volunteer was not dear at 255.
Those who had seen the reviews at Hyde Park, Edinburgh,
or Knowsley, or wherever else they had appeared, must ad-
mit that they were an efficient body. Colonel M'Murdo had
said that he had never seen a regiment equal to the Inns of
Court Volunteers, except, perhaps, the 60th Rifles at the
time of its arrival in India. The Volunteer movement had
effected an immense amount of social good by bringing men
and classes together, and binding them in a patriotism and
holy brotherhood of arms. In addition to this, the health-
ful exercise and good habits which were engendered had
produced great physical benefits. The political results had
not been less important. A short time since we had an
untrained population ; were unable to bring more than
30,000 infantry into the field, and were, consequently,
subjected to periodical panics ; but this had been all
changed. The spirits of the volunteers of 1803 had re-
vived, and produced the result at which they now all re-
joiced. The consequence of the state of things which had
existed up to a recent period, had threatened seriously to
affect the position of England in the Courts of Europe
But if they would learn what had been the effect of this
volunteer movement, they should ask the opinion of the
Prime Minister, of the Secretary for Foreign Affairs—
would he could ask Count Cavour. (Hear, hear.) Let
them ask the Emperor Napoleon. The Englisu Govern-
ment had been able to write, to think, and to speak, in con-
sequence of the Volunteer movement, in such a way as to do
greater service to the cause of Italy, by its moral influence,
than had been accomplished by the active exertions of
France. The cause of peace was now greatly strengthened,
because, in the words of a distinguished diplomatist, we
were strong enough to be able to make concessions when it
was thought necessary to do so. (Hear, hear.) He hoped
that the answer of the Government would be favourable to
the proposal which he had submitted, and that they, the
Government, would be prepared to support and maintain
that which had been characterised as the noblest present
ever made to a Sovereign; but if they should refuse to
accede to it, they would incur the responsibility of having
caused the Volunteer forces to disappear from the country.
(Hear, hear.)
Lord VALLE FORT thought that the Volunteers had
not much cause to complain of the assistance which had
been accorded to them already by the Government ; but
considering that a sum of at least £1,500,000 had been ex-
pended from private sources in the promotion of the Volun-
teer movement, he believed that the force had established
a claim for some further assistance from the Government.
He thought that the permanent expenses of the corps
should be borne by the Government, and these would in-
clude instruction, care of arms and armour, and facilities
for rifle practice.
Sir H. VERNEY considered that the noble lord who
had brought forward the subject, had asked nothing ex-
cessive from the Government in the shape of assistance to
the Volunteers, and that opinion was, he had no doubt,
shared by the majority of members present.
Mr. A. EGERTON supported the motion, on the
ground, among others, that if drill-sergeants were supplied
by the Government to the country corps, a greater unifor-
mity of drill would be secured than was at present attained.
Lord ENFIELD complimented the Government on the
aid which they had rendered to the Volunteer corps, and
while he deprecated money grants to the men, thought that
valuable assistance might be rendered by the Government
in giving drill-sergeants to the corps, especially if these in-
structors were attached as supernumerary members to the
regiments in the regular service, as it would be more easy
in such cases to exercise an efficient control over their con-
duct. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. H. BERKELEY concurred in opinion with the
noble lord the member for Haddington. He believed it
was impossible to overrate the importance of the Volunteer
movement, and that the Volunteers were entitled to the gra-
titude of their country for the sacrifices of time and money
they had made in perfecting themselves at drill. He should
have been delighted to see £lOO,OOO given to such an admi-
rable body. The Volunteers had supplanted the yeomanry,
and were the most efficient supporters the constabulary
could possess, He had known an instance in which the
yeomanry had laid down their arms to an unarmed mob,
and he defied any man to sh )w him any case in which the
y omanry had been successful against a mob.. He drew a
line of distinction between a disciplined and an undisciplined
corps of yeomanry, and r lated instances in which the dis-
ciplined corps had rendered essential service to their country,
while the undisciplined had turned their backs to the enemy.
He quoted the opinion of his Royal Highness the Duke of
Cambridge that the Volunteers should be auxiliaries to the
regular troops of the line, and that without drill they never
could hope to make themselves efficient soldiers. The hon.
member read lengthened extracts from the evidence given
before a committee of the house relative to the drill and
general equipment of the Volunteers, some of which excited
much laughter. He concluded by proposing a reduction of
the vote from £91,000 to £32,000.
Sir W. MILES hoped the Government would take the
proposition of the noble lord (Elcho) into their serious con-
sideration, because, if not, he feared that when the novelty
of the Volunteer movement had worn off, the force would
gradually diminish in point of numbers. He should be
glad to see the Volunteers increased by 50,000 men, and
he did not see why this increase should not immediately
take place, provided Government held out a helping hand
to the carps.
Mr. BUXTON urged upon the Government the neces-
sity of giving what assistance they grant in kind and not
in money, as receiving money would tend to lower the
prestige of the force in the eyes of the country and of
Europe. (Hear, hear.)
Major EDWARDS considered that the country had just
cause to be proud of the Volunteer force, which formed so
noble a contingent to the regular army,
Sir W. RUSSELL approved of the proposal that the
Government should provide the rifle corps with instructors
who should be attached to the regular army for the purpose
of ensuring more perfect discipline.
Sir .1. PAX VON said he entirely concurred in most of
the remarks made by the noble lord the member for Had-
country
universal,districts.
and
movement
Had-
dington, believing that there was great difficulty in gather-
inneg
wishedtoriflegethertothseeethe Volunteer corinupnatneeiers in
the
believed that that could not be effected unless it embraced
the counties of England.
The question was not, whether
20s. or 255. was a sufficient payment for a rifleman, because
each of these men had paid upwards of £lO. The corps
numbered 150,000 men, and according to the regulations of
the War-office, they had to undergo 21 days' drill per annum
each. This loss of time occasioned an immense loss of
money. Lieut.-Colonel Capper, who commanded the Ad-
ministrative Essex Rifles, was of opinion that each man
ought to be allowed £2 per annum. He (Sir J. Paxton)
though willing to give a certainamount in kind, was never-
theless disposed to think that compensation money was
the most desirable mode of rewarding the services of
the men. He had been requested by a great number
of officers and men to advocate their general views.
He believed the movement was national, that it had put an
end to panics, and that its services would ever be found
most valuable in a military point of view.
Sir J. PAKINGTON regretted that in consequence of
the way in which this vote was unavoidably drawn, it
should have led to comparisons between the new volunteer infantry and the mounted yeomanry.
No doubt the move-
ment had been a great national one, carried on with great
numbers
spirit, and if any emergency arose he was sure the
' would be trebled ; but if the Government could in any way
aid the volunteers in a pecuniary
h
way e should gladly
support a vote for that effect ' e With respect to the annual
exhibition of the hon. member for Bristol on the subject of
the yeomanry they were accustomed ; but he would say that
the gentlemen of England regarded the report which had
been made on the subject with unanimous disapproval. if
the Government thought there was no further necessity for
the yeomanry let them say so frankly and part in a friendly
way. He had reason to know that a large body of loyal
men in the north of England had been alienated by the
treatment they had received, and he hoped Government
would seriously consider the subject.
Mr. T. G. BARING said he would not repeat the obser-
vations as to the importance and the value of the volunteer
force. Government had already shown their sense of the
importance of the volunteer movement by the advantages
they had already made to aid in the efficiency of the volun-
teers. After to alluding
• the interest felt by the Commander-
in-Chief in the volunteer force, he said the actual expense
this year of the volunteers amounted to no less a sum than
£117,000, but other allowances made the entire sum £160.000,
and next year it would be increased by the sum of £20,000
for the pay of adjutants. Government did not grudge the
amount in the estimates,but, if
necessary, they would be
ready to increase the amount if that were needed to add
to their efficiency. He considered the independence of
the volunteers was a main ingredient in their value,
and he thought it would be wrong to hold out any
hopes of any money payments whatever. (Hear, hear.)
With respect to the repairs of small arms, he thought that
greater accommodation should be afforded in that respect
to the volunteers, and believing that the matter of drill in-
struction was one of very great importance, ho would state
that the subject was at present under the consideration of
the Government. As to the volunteer movement itself; he
entertained no fear whatever that any failure would attend
it. The sporting element of rifle shooting was, in his
opinion, one of the hest chances of giving permanence to
the movement. No doubt great differences of opinion pre-
vailed throughout the country on the subject of the volen •
tears. As about £2 per man would be sufficient, after the
first outlay, to keep up the volunteer force, he did nct thin k
that any volunteer corps would have any difficulty in p
Yidilg such an amount, From his knowledge of the -patri-
oticro-
spirit that prevailed throughout the country, he
think there was any reason to cast a doubt did not
upon the per •
manency of the movement. As to the amendment moved
by the kola, member for Bristol, which would
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yeomanry being called out for drill this year, he hoped the
committee would not agree to it, as their doing so would
have the effect stated, and prevent the yeomanry being
called out for drill this year He (Mr. Baring) would cer-
tainly rather see the officers in the yeomanry not paid at all
—but as many of the men, in case that rule were adopted,
would also refuse to receive pay, it might operate injuri-
ously in cases where men in the same corps cauldnot afford
to bear the expense, and unpleasant feelings might be gene •
rated in consequence. (Hear, hear.) He felt certain that
the reduced allowance would be perfectly sufficient to main-
tain the yeomanry force in a state of efficiency. (Hear.)
Mr. WILLIAMS fully concurred in the propriety of the
course proposed by the Government with respect to grant-
ing further assistance to the volunteers of this country, and
suggested that the increased expenditure incurred on this
account be obtained by a corresponding reduction in the
vote of £15,000,000 for the regular army.
Major EDWARDS protested against the reduction of the
vote on account of the yeomanry corps.
Sir J. SHELLEY expressed his gratification at the suc-
cessful result of the motion brought forward by the noble
lord the member for Haddingtonshire, and felt assured that
the volunteers would receive with great pleasure the assist-
ance granted by the Government.
Captain JERVIS hoped that nothing would be done to
interfere with the efficiency of that volunteer cavalry force
which was provided by the yeomanry corps.
Mr. WYLD thought that the Government might render
some further assistance by facilitating the obtaining of
tents and rifle practice grounds.
Mr. PE &COCK E pointed out the great distinction which
existed between the yeomanry and volunteer forces, the one
being responsible to the civil, the other to the military
authorities. He was of opinion that the best possible re-
sults would be obtained from that uniform system of drill of
volunteers, which would be ensured by the appointment of
drill sergeants by the Government.,
Mr. CONINGHAM hoped that the volunteers would
endeavour to preserve their independence of the authorities
of the Horse Guards, and referred to the field-day which
had •aken place at Brighton as a decisive proof that the
volunteers were able to conduct their own affairs.
Lord ELCHO said he did not think that the affair at
Brighton was such a very successful one, and stated that in
his opinion such extended movements ought to be under the
direction of competent officers, and in that opinion he was
confirmed by most of the officers connected with the volun-
teer corps in the metropolis.
After some further remarks in reply,
Mr. BERKELEY withdrew his amendment, and the
vote was agreed to.
A sum of £158,155 for fortifications was next proposed.
Mr. F SMITH proposed to reduce the vote by the suns
of £4,000, required for land in Alderney.
Mr. CHILDERS thought that some further information
should be given respecting these works for fortifications
before the proposed expenditure was sanctioned. This was
especially necessary in connection with the works in pro-
gress in the Mauritius, the lonian Islands, and Gibraltar.
Lord W. GRAHAM inquired whether the colonies would
bear any portion of the expenses on account of the fortifi-
cations in progress, and if so, what proportion ?
Mr. WILLIAMS asked whether the vote of £4,000 for
land at Alderney was in addition to the sum of £1,250,000
already expended in that island ?
Mr. CONINGHAM opposed any further expenditure on
account of the works at Alderney.
Lord HOTHAM wished to know what course the Go-
vernment intended to adopt with respect to the fortification
of the Humber.
Mr. T. G. BARING said it was intended to commence
the erection of a battery in the Humber this year. With
respect to the proportion of the expenses to be borne by the
colonies, a committee was now considering the subject of
colonial military expenditure, which was expected shortly
to make its report. The whole of the cost for the lonian
Islands for the year would not exceed £5,000. With respect
to the Mauritius and to the lonian Islands the committee
would not be pledged by the vote to any other works than.
the Fort St. George in the Mauritius, and the small work
in the lonian Islands. The small portion of land required
at Alderney was necessary, in order to complete the whole
of the purchase required on that island. The vote for forti-
fications was not a large one this year, and the committee
would be assured that no more would be expended than was
absolutely necessary.
Sir P. SMITH said he was not satisfied with the expla-
nations respecting land at Alderney, and moved that the
vote be reduced by the sum of £4,000 for the purchase of
land on that island.
Mr. LIDDELL wished to know whether Alderney was
intended as a military work or as a harbour of refuge ? If
a military work, he wished to know what it was intended
to defend.
Lord PALMERSTON said that Alderney was not in-
tended as a harbour of refuge, but as a military post for
the naval defence of the Channel, and in connection with
Portland would be of the greatest importance for that
purp )se.
Mr. GREGORY regarded Alderney as a source of weak-
ness rather than of strength, and quoted the opinion of aa
French officer to the same effect.
Lord PALMERSTON said that if hon. members of that
house were to ask French officers as to whether we were
pursuing the proper course with regard to our fortifications,
they would not be very likely to arrive at correct conclu-
sions on the subject.
After some observations from Colonel North, Mr. Con-
ningham, Mr. Jackson, and Sir F. Smith,
The committee divided—
For the amendment .................. 35
Against it .......................... 128
Majority against
—93
Mr. CHILDERS thought the answer given respecting
the lonian Islands was unsatisfactory, and asked for a
further explanation. He moved an amendment that the
£5,000 for these islands be omitted from the vote.
Mr. B. COCHRANE said we were fortifying the lonian
Islands as if they were perpetually to belong t us, whereas
it might some day happen that we should fid out we were
fortifying the islands against ourselves.
Colonel DUNNE thought that it we were likely to lose
possession of them, the sooner we fortified them the better.
Mr. T. G. BARING said it was intended to expend the
£5,000 in repairing old works, not in erecting new fortifi-
cations.
After some conversation, in which Mr. Bouverie, Sir F.
Smith, Captain Jervis, Colonel Dickson, Sir J. Ferguson,
Mr. Coningham, Sir H. Verney, Mr. Monsell, Mr. Clay,
Colonel Dunne, and Sir F. Goldsmid took part,
The committee divided—
For the amendment ................ 69
Against it ............. 92
Majority against
—47
The vote was then agreed to,
The hcuse resumed, and the chairman reported progress.
EXCISE AND STAMPS BILL.
The house went into committee on this bill, in which
some verbal amendments were introduced.
On the motion of the CHANCELLOR of the EXCHE-
QUER, a proviso was proposed to be added to the clause—
That nothing herein contained shall be construed to render
any person liable to any penalty for or on account of any
letters or correspondence by post, containing the terms or
conditions offered or accepted for the taking or letting of
any furnished house.
After some discussion, the CHANCELLOR of the EX-
CHEQUER undertook to reconsider the phraseology of
the clause, which was considered to be ambiguous.
THE LACE FACTORIES BILL.
Sir G. C. LEWIS moved the second reading of this bill,
the object of which was to apply the general principle of
the Factories Act to lace factories.
The bill was read a second time.
. The Naval Medical Supplemental Fund Society Bill was
read a second time.
The Transfer of Stocks and Annuities Bill Was read a
second time, the object of it being to facilitate the transfer
of stocks and annuities.
The Volunteer Tolls Exemption Bill was read a third
time and passed.
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and extension of the University of Durham.
CIVIL SERVICE (INDIA).
Mr. VANSITTART neoved for certain reports from a
committee of the Council on India.
Sir C. WOOD objected to their production on the ground
that as it was the report of a committee, and not of the C. un-
cil, it would be detrimental to the public interests to produce
it, and would establish an inconvenient precedent.
After some discussion, the house divided, when the flunk'
bers were—
For the motion 2B
Against it
43
Majority against it —ls
The other business was disposed of, and the house ad-.
journed at a quarter to 2 o'clock.

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