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pledged themselves upon every principle to support the Speaker, whose
fitness to fill the chair—(Question)—he would dismiss that subject—
He would not submit to the charge of inconsistency that had been
brought against him by the Hon. Member opposite, without speaking as
to the grounds on which he would give his vote on that occasion. He
felt it incumbent upon him to give his vote against the motion of the
Noble Lord, but he owned that under the present circumstances it was
the bounden duty of every individual to consider the inevitable con-
- sequence of the repeal of this tax would be the dissolution of the
existing Government.—(" Hear," and a laugh.) Sir, continued the
Hon. Baronet, it is on these grounds that I consider it my paramount
duty to alter the vote which I intended to give, and to vote against
the motion of the Noble Marquis.—(Laughter and cries of" Oh I") Sir,
I considered it the bounden duty of every politician, when the variety
and rapidity of political circumstances are taken into account—(Great
laughter)—such appearances justify a man from the charge of incon-
sistency—(renewed laughter)—in voting to day in a sense contrary to the
way in which he would have voted yesterday.--(A burst of laughter.)
I say again, Sir, that the suddenness and variety of the cir-
cumstances and changes which take place in the political world, and
which baffle the kneenest sportsmen—(tremendotts laughter) Justify a
man in voting to-day in a sense contrary to that in which he would
have voted yesterday— (Renewed laughter)—and, is my motive for
changing the vote which I intended to give upon this occasion.—(oll I
and great laughter.) I know very well that I shall by so doing have
offended to a considerable extent, probably to a very considerable extent
—(Laughter)—those by whom I have been returned on this occasion,
but I should be ashamed if I should so far sacrifice my consistency—
(Loud and continued laughter)—if I should so far consult my own per-
sonal or individual interests so as to produce by my vote that result
which must inevitably ensue if the Noble Lord's motion be
carried, in turning out the present Ministry, and reinstating in its place
a democratic Cabinet—(Oh, and laughter)—the object of which
would be to introduce annual Parliaments—(Laughter)—universal suf-
frage—(Cheers and laughter)—vote by ballot—(Oh, oh)—the seculari-
sation of Church property—the separation of the Church from the State—
the confiscation of funded property—(Laughter)—the annihilation of the
hereditary peerage, national bankruptcy, and civil war.—(Laughter.)
He expected that the Noble Marquis would have given the present
Government a fair opportunity of proposing those measures for
the relief of agriculture which were anticipated; and he (Sir R.
Greisley) would have supported those measures if they had been
moderate. But he must say that he should prefer even the loss
of the present Ministry to the repeal of the Malt Tax—(Laughter.)
He should appeal to his constituents with perfect confidence, and he was
sure that they would approve of the sincerity of his principles. Those
principles he had always professed, and he should always act upon
them.—(Loud cries of " Question" and " Divide.")
Colonel SIBTHORP stated that he thought it necessary to express
the opinion of his constituents and friends ; and he would say that
no man was more attached than himself to the agricultural interest,
to which he owed all the enjoyments of life.—(Loud laughter.)
Believing that the Right Honourable Baronet was ready to
give to the agricultural interest all the relief. in his power,
consistent with the safety of the revenue and the welfare of the country
—believing that the-Right Hon. Baronet should have a fair trial—be-
lieving that the benefit would not be so great from the repeal of the
Malt Tax as was represented, and that the effect of a Property Tax
would be most pernicious, he must oppose the motion for the repeal of
that tax.—(Loud cries of " Question.")
Mr. HODGES would do justice to the Noble Marquis who had
moved the repeal of the malt tax ; and it was most gratifying that one
of his high rank was ready to do his duty.—(Hear.) His conduct
was most judicious, as he only called for a resolution advocating
the repeal of the malt tax, upon which he was to bring a Bill,
in which he (Mr. Hodges) was sure that all the interests
affected would be properly secured and attended to. He was sure that
in that Bill the defalcation in the revenue would be provided for, and he
therefore had no fear of the result. If justice were done to Ireland, the
thing woUld at once be done, and the repeal agreed to. Most cordially
should he vote for the motion of the Noble Marquis.
Mr. HALL DARE rose amidst deafening cries of " Question,
question," and " Divide, divide" He dissented from the reasons his
Hon. Friendhad given for the alienation of the people from the higher
classes ; he attributed it to the speeches and writings of Hon. Gentle-
men both in and out of the House, for their own purposes.—(Cries
of " No, no," " Question, question.") He only wished to state
his reason for the vote he should give. If the Noble Marquis should be
successful in his motion, and the Government of the country was to
pass into the hands of the Gentlemen opposite, he was afraid the effect
of that change would be detrimental to the interests of the agriculturists
and to the interests of the community at large.—(Loud cries of " Ques-
tion, question," " Divide, divide."
Mr. CURTEIS rose amidst loud cries of" Question," and said if the
Hon. Member for Derbyshire can violate so strong a pledge to keep Mi-
nisters in, he would not violate a pledge to turn them out, but as was well
known he had, for many years before he had a seat in this House,
publicly advocated this question ; and it was with the greatest pleasure
he now gave his vote for the introduction of this measure.
Mr. TREVOR rose amid loud cries of " Question" and " Divide,
divide." He thought that an opportunity ought to be afforded to his
Majesty's Ministers to lay their measures before Parliament, and he
should, therefore, vote against the motion of the Noble Marquis.
The Marquis of CHA NDOS, in reply, said he would not detain the
House but a few minutes. He regretted that it should be thought he had
brought forward the motion at an unseasonable opportunity.
He could assure the House, if he had thought the Right
Hon. Baronet intended in his Budget to take off any part of the Malt
Tax he would not have brought it forward, but being convinced that he
would do nothing of the sort he felt it to be his duty to bring it forward.
If the question was lost to-night, he trusted the country would think
that he had done his best, and that it was no fault of his. He regretted
deeply the change of sentiment that he had witnessed,
feeling confident if Members were to say one thing in that House and
another on the hustings, the country would not place that confidence in
their Representatives which was so essential to the security and safety of
the country--(Cheers.)
The House then divided, when there appeared—
For the Marquis of Chandos's motion 199,
Against it 350

Majority against the motion lbB

CANADA.

Mr. ROEBUCK moved that the evidence taken before the Canada
Committee of the last Session be laid upon the table.
Sir IL PEEL could not accede to the motion of the Hon. Gentleman
after the statement he had made on the previous evening that Govern-
ment would send out a Commission to that country, a statement with
which the House appeared satisfied. He would therefore hope that the
Hon. Member would in the spirit of his second speech of last night
withdraw the motion.
Motion withdrawn.

Mr. WALLACE, of Greenock, moved for a copy of a letter from
the Commissioners of Revenue, Inquiry to the Treasury, in reply to the
observations of the Postmaster-Gener3l in their 23d report, which said
letter was dated 21st of May. 1834, and was signed R. Wallace, William
John Lushington, Henry• Berens, J. P. Dickinson; also a copy of the
report of the late Committee appointed to inquire into the Management
of the Post Office. He had had frequent communication with the Hon.
Member for Southampton upon the subject, and the letter was agreed to
be laid upon the table so as to be printed, but it had not been fulfilled.
He, however, and the Hon. Member for Middlesex, had procured copies
to be made at their own expense. . .

Sir R. PEEL suggested that as a new Commission had been issued, it
would be better if the Hon. Gentleman would postpone at least the
second part of his motion, to which Mr. Wallace assented.
Mr. PEASE asked the Right Hon. the Secretary for the Home De-
partment what was resolved upon with regard to two prisoners convicted
of highway robbery, and who had been condemned to death (we could
not ascertain where). He thought that it was the opinion of the House
that the punishment of death in such cases ought to be done away with.
The reply of the Right Hon. Gentleman was quite inaudible.
To a question from Mr. HUMS with regard to the surplus revenue,
Sir R. PEEL replied that the earliest period at which he could make
his statement could not take place until after the let of April. He
wished to be as accurate as possible in any statement which he might
make, and he knew the danger of inaccuracy which generally attended
any premature and unconsidered explanation ; for a former Chancellor
of the Exchequer, instead of a surplus of 600,0001., which he calculated
upon, was only able to bring forward 200,000/. He did not see any
objection there could be to waiting for a short period, and he was satisfied
the House would prefer the delay rather than receive a partial and in-
correct statement. _ _

Mr. SHEIL then moved that the addresses of the Orange Lodges
and the answers thereto should be printed, which being agreed to, the
House adjourned at Half.past One.

PARLIAMENTARY BUSINESS.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.
ORDERS OF THE DAY FOR THIS DAY.
1. Business of the House—Adjourned Debate thereupon.

2. Wills Execution Bill—Second reading.
3. Executors and Administrators Bill—Second reading.

4. Ways and Weans—Committee.
5. Supply—Committee.
6. Newspapers Regulation Bill—Committee.
NOTICES OF MOTIONS FOR THIS DAY.
1. Mr. Poulter,—Bill to promote the better Observance of the
Lord's Day.
2. Mr. Hume,—To call the attention of the House to the Report
of the Select Committee of the last Session on Election Ex-

penses.
3. The Lord Advocate,—Bill for regulating the Sequestration of
the Estates of Bankrupts in Scotland.
4. Sir George Grey,—Select Committee, to consider the most
effectual means of preventing bribery, corruption, and intimi-
dation, in the Election of Members to serve in Parliament.
5. Mr. O'Connell,—Bill to amend the Law of Libel.
6. Mr. Robinson,—Petition from certain Maritime Officers of the
East India Company, excluded from the compensation granted
by the Act 3 and 4 Will. 4, c. 85.
7. Sir Roger Greisley,—Return of all the sums which have been
expended on the alterations and repairs of the late Houses of
Parliament since the year 1800 ; and of the cost of the present
temporary Houses :—Also, for ten eminent Architects to be
selected to prepare Plans and Estimates for the new Houses of
Parliament, and to submit them to the consideration of the
Committee.
8. Mr. Andrew Johnstor,—Address for Returns respecting Na-
tional Education (Ireland) in pursuance of Order of the 13th
May. 1834; in addition, Commissioners to state the
amount and ?articulars of any grants made by them to schools
connected, with, or under the superintendence of, any nun-
nery, mrnastery, or other religious institutions or houses ; and
also, of. any grants to schools kept in Roman Catholic Cha-
pels, or buildings forming part thereof, or contiguous thereto,
or within the precincts of said chapels, with the places where
such schools are situated.