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London, England, 1832-02-10 00:00:00

LONDON, FRIDAY EVENING, FEBRUARY 10, 1832

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SUN OFFICE, Seven o' Clock.

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OF THIS EVENING.

HOUSE OF LORDS.

Mr. Preston, from the India House, presented papers
relative to pensions.

The E,rl of FINGAL presented petitions from tl,e
parishes of Dunsale and Killeen, in the county of Meath,
in favour of Reform. Alb() one front the Roman Cttliolics
of a parish in the county of Louth, against the tithe sys-
tetn.—Referred to the Tithe Committee.

The Sacramental Test (Ireland) Bill and the Contempt
in Equity Bill were read a second time, and ordered to be
committed on Monday.

The Earl of WICKLOW, seeing the Lord Chancellor
for Ireland in his place, gave him notice, that on Monday
he would put some questions to him relative to the Irish
Magistracy.
Lord PLUNKETT was obliged to his Noble Friend f. r
giving him an opportunity of preparing himself.
Adjourned to Monday.

per tribunal. Enquiries before Grand Juries were secret,
therefore, he could not say that the Manchester Grand Jury
did not act accordiag to their oaths ; but unquestionably the
innocent blood shed in I SI9 cried aloud for investigation,
and so long as he had the power of speaking he would
demand it. Manchester demanded it, the country re-
quired it, and justice could not he satisfied without it.
Air. HUNT very much regretted what had fallen from
the Noble Lord. At all events he would do the peti-
tioners the justice of admitting that it was not him who
had raked up the ashes of that day. The truth was they had
been raked up by a correspondence which had taken place
between the Noble Lord himself and Mr. Hulton. That
correspondence was published by all the Newspapers,
therefore it was no secret. The Noble Lord had said, on
this occasion, he was the person who had formerly moved
for an inquiry into all the circumstances that took place
in the year 1819. He was on that occasion met by state-
ments that some persons were about to undergo trial-
in consequence of being supposed to he implicated in the
circumstances. and that others might he prejudiced by it.
No such statements could meet him now. And there was
no reason why justice should not be had even at this period.
True it was that it wasl 2 years since the circumstances took
place, but Governor Wall was tried and executed 20 years
arter he had committed the offence. Here fifteen persons
had been killed—as he would say until an enquiry had
taken place—coolly and deliberately murdered.—(Hear,
hear.) Ile believed he had been sent into Parlia-
ment, to agitate this question more than for any
thing else. Having been an eye-witness to the bloody scene,
his constituents supposed he would never cease to bring
the question forward. He had given notice of a motion
for the 23d of this month, for the appointment of * Select
Committee to enquire into the circumstances, but
he would much rather that Government would take the
subject into their hands and appoint the Committee. lie
was quite sure that the people of Manchester never could
suppose a Reformed House of Parliament could take place,
unless these transactions were investigated. And those
who were for the investigation he trusted would continue to
be f ,r it.

Mr. HUNIE thought the question most important.
As far as he could understand the Noble Lord opposite.
time was to put an end to the necessity for enquiry
Now, could it possibly be contended that the lapse
of time was to put an end to the necessity of inquir-
ing into wholes de murder? The Noble Lord would
allow him to say that he (the Noble Lord), as well
as many others, at the time the unhappy occurrences took
place, considered that the deaths approximated neare'
to murder than any thing else that could be thought
of. Nay, it had been alleged over and over again
that murder was committed, and justice never had beet
satisfied. The only mode whereby justice could be a itis-
fied, or the public mind composed, was by having an in-
quiry, which inquiry he hop .d would, ere long, take place.
It was a monstrous proceeding to say, that after such a
deed had been committed, they were to be shut out fron,
inquiry upon a point of time. He joined in the feel-
ings of the Hon. Member for Preston, on reading th,
correspondence which had been alluded to, and which
seemed to afford a triumph to the other party. Me hoped
the Noble Lord would not refuse to institute an en
quiry. Justice at the present time could be fairly
done, and he wished the public to know that in case of
murder no period of time should interpose as an obstacle to
the furtherance of justice. If the Noble Lord would weigh
the consequences of a refusal, and advantages of an inquiry,
he (Mr. flume) was snre that he would not refuse what
was asked. He, for one, would be gratified to hear of the
parties corning out of the investigation perfectly free, but he
was csnfident that in a case where fift• en people had beeh
killed, the public expected that investigation.
Lord MILTON regretted that this question bad again
became the subject of discussion in that House.
He for one could not see any thing inconsistent
in the course which the Noble Lord (Althorp) had
intimated he should take by not acceding to the request
for an inquiry. A long course of time interposed difficulties
in the way of that inquiry, and the House might be
justified in giving such weight to those difficulties as
to induce them to say that it was not necessary now to in-
stitute an inquiry. He thought that some consideration
was certainly due to the feelings of those who perhaps had
relations who fell on that occasion. Still it was perfectly
consistent to say, that an inquiry at the present period was
not advisable. —The petition was then read, and ordered
to lie on the table.

Lord ALTHORP presented a petition from the Mem-
bers of a friendly society at the Isle of Wight praying for
an alteration in the law relative to friendly societies; which
was read, and ordered to be printed.
Sir G. CLERK moved for certain returns of the re-
ceipt and expenditure on account of the Navy, between
the let of January and the 31st of December, 1831.
Ordered.

Lord ALTHORP then moved the order of the day for
the House r, solving itself into a Committee of the Reform
of Parliament (England) Bill.
Mr. DUNCOMBE wished before the House went into
Committee, to advert to a petition which he had given
notice of his intention to present from the county of Hert-
ford, relative to the means that had been used to obtain
signatures to an Anti-Reform address which was lately
presented to the King at Brighton. The time for pre-
senting that petition to-night was now passed, but he
wished to be allowed to make known to the House the
grievances complained of by the petitioners. If
it had been merely a petition in favour of the Re-
form Bill, he should not hate felt it his duty
to have given any notice upon the subject. The petitioners
complained of the insulting address which had been
carried to the King at Brighton a few days ago, by
two Noble individuals. They spoke of the threats,
bribes, and douceurs, which had been given to induce per-
sons to sign it. They stated that last year they addressed
this House and the King in favour of the Reform Bill ;
that in January last, a petition addressed to the King
was handed round the county of Hertford for signatures—
that it was put in the hands of Mr. Andrew, an attorney,
for that purpose, and that since that period they had learnt
for the first time that its object was to condemn the
Reform Bill, and to thank his Majesty for not having
exercised his prerogative by the creation of new Peers.
The Hon. Member then read part of the petition, which
complained of the petitioners' names having been
forged to the address. Such then, observed the
Honourable Member, was the petition. The address
to his Majesty began with the usual form of an Anti-
Reform Petition. It was from the Nobility, Clergy,
and Gentry of the county of Hertford. It began
by caling the Bill a Revolutionary measure—(Cheers)—
decried Political Unions, all of which the petitioners ob-
jected to. And it proceeds with, we take leave therefore
to express our humble thanks to your Majesty, that your
Majesty has firmly withheld your prerogative in not crea-
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(Cheers)_a pretty expense had this country incurred in
consequence of it, and well might the petitioners be indignant
at finding their names attached to such a document, which
was a gross insult to the prerogative of the Crown. Did the
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persons who. got up that petition mean to say that the King
was. to withhold his prerogative in the creation of Peers at
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did they mean to say by their loud cheers, that it
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welfare of the country was at stake. The people required
a speedy exercise of that prerogative, and it must be
sooner or later exercised. For his part he should attach
moreimportance to the opinions laid down by such men as
Locke,than those which had been disseminated by such men
as Lord Salisbury and Lord Ellenborough. They told the
people that the Crown had the power of doing no wrong, but
the object of its existence was to prevent its being done.
If any rule or authority was wanted as a precedent
for the exercise of the King's prerogative in the
creation of a sufficient number of Peers to carry the
Reform Bill, the same course was pursued in the reign
of Queen Anne.—(Cheers from the Opposition.) Peers
were then created by the Queen on the advice of Lord
Oxford. It was true that be (Mr. Duncombe) might
be told that Lord Oxford was impeacbed—(Hear)—but
long did that impeachment last ? Why it terminated in

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the same manner as all impeachments did which wen•
founded in enmity, to the honour and acquittal 0'
the accused..—(Loud cheers ) That measure pro-
duced the Peerage Bill, which was opposed by Sir R.
Walpole, on the ground that it would give to the House 0'
too much power, and woul-1, in f act, be the means of
governing the country by a lordly aristocracy. His
Majesty's Ministers, however, had no fears of impeach-
ment to apprehend from giving advice to his Majesty ti,
create a sufficient number of Peers to carry the Reforn.
Bill. But they had much to fear if they did not give that
advice. Theligrtford address stated,that there was no pressine
necessity for such a creation ; he (Mr. D.) denied it in
Colo, and his assertion, he thought, was as good as that
of the Hertford address. He denied that his Majesty
had hesitated to create new Peers, and he would boldly
assert that his Majesty had furnished full power-
to his Ministers to give effect to the carrying of the
Reform Bill, if it was necessary. Ministers, there-
!ore, having that power, if they did not exercise it, hut
allowed the Bill to be mutilated and crippled in
another place, they must take the consequences of
that non-exercise upon th-ir own heads.—(Loud cheers.)
The culpability and responsibility of his Majesty's Mini.
eters would be great indeed, if they did not advise the ex-
ercise of the Royal prerogative to create Peers fur
the purpose of securing the national wishes. The
signatures which had been appended to this peti-
tion, completely overturned the importance which
had elsewhere been attached to the Anti-Reform
address to his Majesty at Brighton on a late occasion.
The petition completely destroyed the validity of the ad
dress, because it impugned its veracity. The petition con-
tained allegations that he was ready to prove at the
bar of the House, if it were considered at all necessary.
(Hear.) And therefore, notwithstanding the address hail
been carried down to Brighton, and laid at the foot of the
throne with all conceivable pomp and dignity by two Noble
Lords—the one for the purpose of presenting, and the lathe,
for the purpose of expanding its absurd doctrines, yet he di•
not think that he would have done justice to the House,
that no attempt to delude a Monarch and the public
had been so gross, by misrepresenting and mis-stating th•
feelings of the county of Hertford—a county than whicb,
none were more loyal in their attachment to hie Majesty,
or had more advocates for Reform, more enlightened or
sincere.

An HON. MEMBER, whose name we could not learn
wan anxious to state to the House the real facts of this case.
He could not see upon what grounds the Hon. Gen tleimm
had considered it his duty to fasten imputations, unjust an •
and uncalled for, both on Lord Salisbury and Mr. An
.crews. He had resorted indeed, during the whole of hi,
speech, to the jargon of Reformers, which had s.
often been heard in that House, hut he n'a
very much mistaken if he expected Honourahh
Members would be prevented from uttering their
sentiments either by intimidation or abuse. In ord.,
to exculpate the character of the Noble Lord he wouli
read a letter which he had received from the
respectable solicitor Mr. Andrews, who had been referre.
to, and for the purpose of chewing that the allegations i.
this petition were groundless, and false in reference to th.
signatures of the address. The Hon. Member then read a letter
in which the following passage occurred in allusion to hie
having obtained signatures upon false representations :
" Mr. Scares is a particular friend and excellent client at
mine. I called on him with the address, and with ti
joke, I asked if he would wish the assessedt axes to h.
taken off?—( Hear, and laughter.) I asked him to sign.
the parchment which I held in my hand ; lie was about
tr do it, but I told him that it did not concern
the assessed taxes. He said he did not care what it re
(erred to, that he would sign any thing, and parti-
cularly if it was to hang my Lords."—(Grea,
laughter.) The Hon. Member also read a quotation
from a letter from Mr. Sears to the same purport, and
concluded by observing, that when person■ cou'd
first sign the address, then write a letter, and afterwads
sign the petition, it proved that the opinions they had
formed of the necessity for the passing of the R. form Bit',
had not been founded in conviction, and would soon there-
fore be oblitered.

(LEFT SITTING.)

rim LONDON GAZETTE

THIS EVENING.

WAR-OFFICE, Fee. 40, 1832.
Bth Regiment of Light Dragoons—Lieut. Sir W. L. Young,
Bart., to be Adjutant, vice Shewell, who resigns the Adjutancy
only, Feb. 10, 1832.
16th Light Dragoons—Brevet Colonel T. W. Brotherton, from
the half-pay, to be Lieut.-Colonel, repaying the difference be-
tween the lull-pay of Infantry and Cavalry, Feb. 10.
Coldstream Regiment of Foot Guards—Lieut. and Capt. W.
H. Cornwall to be Capt. and Lieut.-Col., by purchse, vice Peters,
who retires ; Ensign and Lieut. J. Forbes to be Lieut. ane Cap.,
by purchase, vice Cornwall ; Hon. F. W. C. Villiers to be En- '
sign and Dicut., by purchase, vice Forbes ; Capt. C. W. Horton
to be Adjutant, vice Cornwall, Feb. 40.
4th Foot—Capt. R. M. Westmacott, from 98th Regiment, to
be Captain, vice Mahon, who exchanges, Feb. 10.
13th Foot—Capt. J. M. Maitland, from the half.pav of the 52d
Regiment, to be Captain, vice R. Hare, who exchanges, receiv.
ing the difference, Feb. 10.
20th Foot—Capt. W. T. R. Smith from the half-pay, to be
Captain. vice M. A. Stanley, who exchanges, receiving the diffe-
rence, Feb. 10.
32d Foot—Lieut. G. Browne to be Captain, without purchase,
vice Reoch, deceased; Ensign J. Dillon to be Lieutenant, vice
Browne; Gent. Cadet W. Case, from the Royal Military College
to be Ensign, vice Dillon, Feb. 10.
. 48th Foot—Lieut. J. Watson, from half-pay of the 2.1 Garri-
son Battalion, to be Lieutenant, vice Egar, appointed to the
Bth Regiment, Feb. 10.
57th Foot.—F. H. Jackson, Gent, to be Ensign, by purchase,
vice Blythe, promoted in the Ist West India Regiment. Feb. 10.
65th Foot—Lieut. H Elton, from the half-pay of the 22c1
Light Dragoons, to be Lieutenant, ♦ice W. Tucker, who ex-
changes, Feb. 10.
76th Foot—Hon. T. Murray to be Ensign, by purchase, vice
Bruce, promoted, Feb. 10.
65th Foot—Brevet-Major D. Mahon, from the 4th Regt. to be
Captain, vice Westmacott, who exchanges, Feb. 10.
'2.d West India Regiment—Lieut. J. Hodges, from the half-pay
of the York Chasseurs, to be Lieutenant, vice Bell, appointed
to the Royal Newfoundland Veteran Companies, Feb.
Ceylon Regiment—Lieut. G. Hamilton, from the half-pay of
the 53d Regiment, to be Lieutenant, vice H. Sharpin, who ex-
changes, Feb. 10.

DECLARATION OF INSOLVENCY.
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