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)y the :Members of Brookes' or any other Club.—(Hcar and

lau,ghter.)
Mr. TOOKE rose to order. The Hon. Member for Ips-
wich (Mr. Wason) had given notice of a motion for Tueday
next, and he thought there was no question before the House.
Mr. HODGES said the same course had been adopted with
respect to the petition which he had presented from Chatham.
Mr BARING, as the sense of the Mouse was against him,
would withdraw his motion.
Mr. G ROTE presented a petition from Stamford, praying
for the introduction of vote by ballot ; also a petition from
John 'Williams, recommending the making of subways in the
City of London; and a petition from licensed victuallers of
the metropolis, complaining of fifty per cent. imposed upon
licences. . -

Mr. S. CRAWFORD presented a petition from the Pres-
byterians of Carmoney and Ballylinna, county Antrim, n: d
one from Tullvlish, Downshire, praying for the total cxtinc-

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tion of the Tithes.
Mr. SINCLAIR said the petitioners might be Presbyte-
rians, but it was certain they could havo no connection with

the Church of Scotland.

Mr. S. CRAWFORD said the petitioners were Presbyte-
rians,aiid belonged to—at least were in connection with—the

Synod of Ulster:
Mr. Sergeant JACKSON said they might belong to the
synod of Ulster, but that they represented the feelings of the
synod as a body, he must utterly deny. He knew many be-
longing to that synod who held opinions of the very opposite
nature, who were firm friends of the Church of Ireland.
Mr. S. CRAWFORD believed that the petitions he bad
presented spoke the sentiments of a great majority of the

synod of Ulster.
An HON. MEMBER said that lie had on former occasions
presented many petitions on the other side of the question.
Captain BERKELEY gave notice, that in the Committee
upon the Corporation Reform Bill he would move that the city
of Gloucester should be moved from the second to the first

division of schedule A.
Mr. WA SON gave notice that on Monday he would move
for a Select Committee to take into consideration the cases
of all parties connected with the late election for Ipswich, and
that Samuel Bignold, Esq., and E. T. Booth, magistrates of
Norwich, be taken into custody of the Sergeant at Arms.
STAMP DUTIES.
Mr. C. BULLER presented a petition from a town in the
county of Norfolk, praying for the repeal of the stamp duties.
Mr. BARRY presented a petition from a place in Cork, to
the same effect.
Mr. BE WE S presented a similar petition from Plymouth.
Mr. TOOKE presented a similar petition from Truro,
in which the petitioners expressed their belief that the present
tax prevented the acquisition to the ignorant, of that sound po-
litical knowledge which is best calculated to fit them for the
discharge of their civil and religious duties. The Hon. Member
gave notice that on Thursday the 9th of July, he should
propose a resolution in the nature of . a standing
order, with a view to the future conduct and con-
venience of the House, that at the commencement of
every session a Select Committee of nine Members be,ap-
pointed, three of whom should form a quorum, to whom all
Divorce, Estate, and Naturalization Bills should be referred.
The said Committee to examine witnesses, verify documen-
tary evidence, and hear counsel as the several cases required.
MUNICIPAL CORPORATIONS.

Mr. CHICHESTER presented a petition from Honiton
in favour of the Corporation Reform Bill.
Mr. BO RTHWICK presented a petition from the bo-
rough of Evesham against the Bill. He observed that this
borough could not be charged with any misapplication of
funds, because they never had any to misapply.—(Hear,
hear, hear.) The petitioners stated that the Corporation
Commissioners had made only one complaint against
the borough ; and on that they did not come to any cer-
tain conclusion ; so that it appeared that the administra-
tion of justice rested in the best hands.—(Cries of " Hear,
hear.") The importance of the petition arose not only
from the local connections of the borough, but from the re-
spectability of the body from which it came, and they prayed
that this House would not abrogate those rights and privileges
which had been granted to this borough, nor allow the Bill
to come into operation without the concurrence at least of
an absolute majority of the inhabitants.—(Hear, hear.)
He most cordially supported the prayer of this petition, which
was, that no rights should be taken from any portion of
his Majesty's subjects, unless they were proved to
have forfeited their title by some mal-administration of
the power committed to them, or a misapplication of the
funds entrusted to their management. He did not wish
to throw any doubts upon the motives of the King's Go-
vernment ; he had no doubt that they were of the purest
sort ; but there were provisions in this Bill which would de-
feat the object they had in view—viz., the promotion of the
right administration of local government.
Mr. M. PII ILLIPPS wished to know whether the petition
came from the Corporation, or from a body of freemen?
Mr. BORTHWICK —From the Corporation. He gave
notice that he would take an early opportunity of presenting a
petition from the inhabitants of Evesham to the same effect.
STATE OF THE LAW IN IRELAND.

Mr. Sergeant JACK SON presented a petition from several
members of the Irish Bar, complaining of the operation of the
3d clause in the Act of the 4th and sth of the present
Session--the petitioners stated that this claw would be
exceedingly injurious both to debtors and creditors in Ireland.
The object of the Bill was to bring English capital into Ire-
land, and this clause enabled the creditors to proceed in Eng-
land against lands situated in Ireland as if they were situated in
England. The operation of this clause would be attended with
great inconvenience in Ireland, by reason of the difference in
the laws of both countries. The Courts of this country
proceeded in a different way, both as regarded law and
practice to what the Courts of Equity in Ireland did.
The Courts in this country allowed one of the mort-
gagors under a mortage to foreclose, whereas in Ireland
a part of the estate was directed by the Court to be
sold to satisfy the creditors, and the residue remained to
the debtor. Another regulation was, that there was a registry
of landed estates in Ireland, whereas in England there was a
registry only in two counties. The consequence would be
that if the proceedings took place in England it would
cause great confusion and inconvenience. The Act
itself was not objectionable, but the third section was very
injurious, and the Honourable Gentleman who introduced
the Bill, introduced it without that objectionable clause which
had been afterwards inserted by the other house of Parliament,
and he confessed that the Act, as it came from that Hon.
Member's hands, was altogether unobjectionable and beneficial.
He trusted that the House would re-consider and repeal that
'section.
Mr. LYNCH said that the Hon. Member was under a great
mistake in-supposing that any difference existed between the
Courts of Equity in this country and those of Ireland on the
subject adverted to in the petition. This Act was not impera-
tive, it was merely optional.
Mr. Sergeant JACKSON would not set up his opinions
against those of his Learned Friend on the other side of the
House, but he begged to say that the petition had not been
presented upon light grounds. The opinions of the Attorney
and Solicitor-General for Leland had been taken upon the
subject.
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL denied that there was
any difference between either the Common Law or the Equity
Courts in this country and those in Ireland. If, however,
there was anything in the law which bore upon the petitioners,
he was sure that his Majesty's Government would be the first
to remedy it.
Mr. HANDLE Y presented a petition from Ashton-under-
Lyne, in favor of the Corporation Bill ; a petition from the
same place against the Poor Law Amendment Bill ; also a
petition praying for Reform in the Church Establishment.
The Hon. Member also presented a petition from Rochdale
praying that the payment of rates might not be made a
sine qua non, as a qualification to vote at elections.
PUBLIC WORKS—IRELAND.

Mr. LYNCH brought up the report of the Committee on
Public Works in Ireland.—Laid on the table.
THE CHURCH.

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mitted a very serious offence by stealing a stamp : but he was the Hon. Member could bring forward a question relating to
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forgiven on account of his youth—but now, that he was at a another individual.—( Hear, hear.)
period of life to know the character of Ails offence, and corn • The SPEAKER said that the course pursued by the Hon.
mitted a second, his employers thought him a fit object for and Gallant Member was certainly inconvenient, not to say
prosecution. irregulai.—( Henr, hear.)
Mr. HARVEY asked what had the House to do with tran- Colonel PERCEVAL put it to the Chair and to the
sactions between Messrs. Sewell and Blake, and Pilgrim their House whether it was the custom of Parliament to refuse an
clerk ? The House had already decided that Dasent, a bar- individual an opportunity of explaining circumstances which,
rister, one of the gentlemen of the long robe, should be dis- if unexplained, might throw some imputation upon his cha-
charged, and now a motion was made to discharge Pilgrim. ratter.—( Cheers.)
Was any Hon. Member prepared with any reason why Pil- Lord J. RUSSELL should be the last person to refuse to
grim should not be discharged ? On the contrary, he thought allow any, Hon. Member an opportunity of making such an
there was every reason why he should. He was but a humble explanation ; but he would ask whether the present occasion,
clerk in an attorney's office, who had acted he (Mr. Harvey) just previous to bringing two individuals to the bar, was the
verily believed, under the directions of others. With respect fitting tin one ?—( Hear, hear.)
to Messrs. Sewell, Blake, and Keith, he never heard of men Colonel PERCEVAL felt it his duty to give an immediate
in their profession more highly spoken of than they had explanation where his character was concerned. This was the
always been, since he had first heard their names—but, in first time he had ever known the courtesy of the House to re-
speaking of Pilgrim, it should be recollected that this fuse to bear a man who stood up in his own defence.—( Hear.)
very high character which his employers bore, must be strongly Lord J. RUSSELL thought the Hon. Member could not
in his favour. Suppose Pilgrim were to apply for employment have heard his (Lord J. Russell's) observations. He had
in the office of any solicitor, could he produce a higher testi- stated that he would be sorry to deny any one a hearing under
monial of his ability and integrity than that he had been thirty such circumstances ; but he asked .whether, on reflection, the
years in the office of Messrs. Sewell, Blake, and Keith ? Hon. and Gallant Gentleman did not think he might take a
Pilgrim went to Ipswich in consequence of that affectionate better opportunity than the present occasion ?—( Hear.)
note of Mr. Kelly to Messrs. Sewell and Blake, requesting Colonel PERCEVAL said that if it were the wish of the
that they might send over from Norwich his "friend pit: House that he should not continue lie would not.—(Cries of
grim, who could walk, talk, or do anything else." There "Go on.")
was no ground for the House refusing to discharge this The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER called the
wan, after they had agreed to discharge Mr. Dasent, a attention of the House to the circumstances that the Speaker
gentleman learned in the law, who had gone through all was about to pronounce their opinion respecting the conduct of
the severe studies and examinations required to fit him for two individuals who had infringed the privileges of the House.
being called to the Bar, and who was compelled to cat and He asked the Hon. and Gallant Gentleman whether it was not
drink his commons, and pay for so doing, four terms in every expedient that they should approach those functions without
year for five successive years.—( Laughter.) It appeared by the interposition of any subject which might excite acrimonious
the statement of an Hon. Member ( Mr. Wodehouse) that he feelings.—( Hear, hear.)
had visited Pilgrim at Newgate. He (Mr. Harvey) had also ' Colonel PERCEVAL said that, to prevent the possibility,
visited him, in consequence of a note he received from him, as surmised by the Right Hon. Member, of any statement of
having known nothing whatever of him before. In the note his causing the House to treat with greater severity the two in-
Pilgrim expressed is wish to see him, and the result of the in- dividuals in question, he would at once consent to reserve his
terview was, .that, without knowing or meanie.- to say any- statement to the next opportunity.
thing on the merits of the case, he felt satisfied that there John Pilgrim and John Bury Dasent were then brought
was nothing Pilgrim panted for more than an early oppor- to the bar, and the Speaker addressed them to the following
tunity of meeting the charge against him for embezzlement, effect :
and to take his trial in the county where he was known. " John Bury Dasent and John Pilgrim. This House has found
Indeed, he expressed an intense anxiety to meet the charge. that you have been guilty of the crime of violating one of its most
—( Hear.) To show that Pilgrim's character stood high at important and most valuable Privileges, by absconding, for the pur-
liorWich after this accusation had been made against him he Pose of avoiding the duty of giving that testimony which you were
need only mention that Mr. Foster, a solicitor of the firm of bound unquestionably to give, for the purpose of the due adminis-
Foster and Unthank of that town Gentlemen not inferior in tration oflt ustice.
"must be unnecessary to any class of persons in this country
respectability even to Messrs. Sewell, Blake, and Keith—had to enlarge upon the importance of at all times yielding a prompt an
doffered to become security for him to any amount. willing obedience to those Privileges which this House holds for
Lord STORMONT, in explanation, wished to state that he thebenefit of the
people, and as their Representatives. It must be
had said nothing unfavourable of Pilgrim's character. He least of all necessary to enlarge upon the nature of that offence to a
always understood that lie was a reputable man.—( Hear.) gentleman whose professional habits and education must have made
Mr. WODEHOUSE, also in explanation, denied that he him more peculiarly acquainted with the nature of those obligations
had said any thing to the discredit of Pilgrim. which are imposed upon all classes to contribute to the furtherance
Mr. HAWES was desirous of showing that there was no of public justice.
substantial ground for the charge against Pilgrim, of his hay- " You have, however, both of you, made that atonement which
is
stolen a stamp from his employers in his youth. He could is •
in yourpower, by an expression of your sorrow and your contrai-
shew this, he thought, pretty clearly, by the evidence of Mr. lion e for the offitettiteenesofnwtohiietsh
iyaovietuhraaNblbeeeennsgleillenTh.
itis Ihlonsedehalst
Keith. [Here the Hon. Member read extracts from Mr. with you 3o'nuuNrvteh all thei mildness consistent with their sense orjustice,
Keith's evidence before the Committee, by which it appeared and Iyhave now to acquaint you that you are discharged, upon the
that Pilgrim was a candidate for the situation of Coroner some payment of your Fees."
years ago, and that on that occasion he received the highest Mr. Pilgrim and Mr. Dasent having retired,
character from, and was supported zealously by, his employers, Lord J. RUSSELL moved that the Speaker's address be
notwithstanding this accusation of having stolen a stamp hung entered on the journals of the House.
over him.] Colonel PERCEVAL should now 'show to the House that
After a few words from Mr. BARCLAY, in explanation, he was not deserving -of that severe censure which the Hon.
the question that John Pilgrim be called to the bar and dis- and Learned Member for Dublin had pronounced upon him,
charged, was put, and unanimously agreed to. nor of the imputation that he had been guilty of a suppressio
Lord HENNIKER, after a few observations moved that veri. He admitted that his astonishment was indescribable
Sparrow be brought to the bar and discharged. when the Hon. and Learned Gentleman charged him with
Mr. GISBORNE said that it was his intention to oppose having withheld a fact, and that he stated it, was the first
the discharge of Sparrow, as he wished to have the opinion of time that he had ever heard of the fact in question viz.,
the House as to' whether or no he was a proper subject for that bills of indictment had been sent up against Mr.'Hud-
prosecution by the Attorney-General for bribery. At present son to the Grand Jury of Dublin, who, it was said, were
he was only in custody for contempt, and it was desirable that actuated by the same extreme motives as he (Colonel Per-
the opinion of the House should be expressed on the other ceval) was ; that witnesses were examined ; and that, in coo-
charge, which he had no doubt of satisfying the House could sequence of their notorious character, the wretches that wag
be brought home to Sparrow, as it had been to Dasent the Hon. and Learned Member's expression—were disbe-
and Pilgrim. lieved.—( Hear.) As the Hon. and Learned Gentlemati
Mr. FRESHFIELD contended that the Hon. Member spoke with all that positiveness and solemnity upon which
was not justified by the order of the House in going. into a he was in the habit of drawing somewhat largely, the House
statement, with a view to have a greater punishment inflicted might judge of his (Colonel's Perceval's) surprise when be
on Sparrow for one offence, because it was doubtful if he could found that he was now prepared to show that, in every re-
be made amenable for the other. spect, the statement denied by the Hon. and Learned Gee-
Mr. GISBORNE felt quite convinced that he was per- tleman was correct.—( Hear, hear.) In the first place, then,
fectly in order. The Hon. Member here went into a detail of no bills of indictment were sent up against Mr. Hudson
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the evidence as far as it bore upon Sparrow's case, to show , the Grand Jury of Dublin ; no prosecution whatever arose
that bribery had been substantiated against that person. Con- out of the resolutions of that House ; andno witness n'asi i
sidering, therefore, that Sparrow had been an agent for the examined.—(Hear, hear.) After the Hon. and Learnen
sitting Members, and that bribery had been established, he Member made his denial, some Hon. Members thought pre"
should on those grounds oppose his discharge. per to indulge in contemptuous sneers, implying a doubt of bs
Sir G. CLERK contended that the House having dis- ( Colonel Percevarsystatement • and to prevent a recurrence
charged Dasent and Pilgrim, who were really charged with of these doubts he had obtained two certificates, one from the
bribery, there could be no reason for not discharging Sparrow. Clerk of the Peace to the city of Dublin Sessions, and the
Mr. CHAPMAN was perfectly satisfied that Mr. Sparrow other from Mr. P. Bourne, Deputy Clerk of the Crown to
could have given full evidence of the bribery at the Ipswich the county of Dublin Sessions, stating that in 1831 no bills
election had he been willing to tell the truth, and the whole for bribery, or any other offence, were sent up against a per:
truth, but instead of which he had given to the Committee son of the name of Hudson.—( Hear, hear.) The Gallo;
the most evasive answers. Member, having read these certificates, proceeded to observe
Mr. WARBURTON contended that Mr. Sparrow was by that Mr. O'Connell had spoken very highly of Mr. Hudson
far more guilty than the two persons whose cases had just been for his refusal to act as his Counsel in reference to the lal
decided. as he.had not given before the Committee the evi. Dublin election. Now, haw stood the- fact? Why, he ba
dence that he might have given, and which he ought to have received a letter from Mr. Edward Dwyer, an agent at the
given. The House could not forget that Mr. Sparrow was Dublin election, distinctly declaring that Mr. Hudson did act
the town-clerk of Ipswich, and the agent of one of the parties as Mr. O'Connell's Counsel at the election, that he stared
implicated, and in every respect his offence was aggravated. before the Sheriffs, and that he attended in the same c
Mr. LAW LAW thought that the House was bound to give as ter before the Commission sitting at Dublin. By a strange
much attention to the petition of Mr. Sparrow as it had given coincidence the writer add, Mr. Hudson commenced his at-
to that ondance as, Counsel to Mdr.e O'Connell the day after the Hoe.
Mr. P.
Mr. Pilgrim.
te.
STEWART said that Mr. Sparrow had evidently and Learned Member ceased to attend before the Commission.
had an intimate knowledge of the intention of Cook and Pil- This letter had been sent to him by Mt. Dwyer, in consequence
grim to abscond, in order to defeat the ends of justice, and to of his reading the declaration of Mr. O'Connell in the public p
resist the authority of that House. He suggested to the House pers. With Mr. Dwyer he (Col. Percival) had no acquaintancre,
that a decidedly better petition ought to be laid before it ere and he certainly was greatly obliged to him for his volunta y,
Mr. Sparrow could be dealt with aS the House had dealt with communication. It certainly bore him out in what he bra
the other two persons. stated, and was calculated to make Hon. Members pause i
Mr. PLUMPTRE and Mr. JERVIS spoke a few words, and future before they resolved to place implicit reliance on the
The House then divided. The numbers were— statements of the Hon. and Learned Member. In coublusion!
For the motion that Sparrow be brought to the bar 127 he threw himself upon the consideration of the House, al
Against it
u
Member had adhered to the truth.—( Cheers.)
Mr. O'CONNELL never accused the Hon. and Galltinte
M-rnbr -,f a wilful snppression of the truth.—(.9h, 0h.).4 liby

Majority
On our re-admission to the Gallery, we found the House
in discussion, on the question that J. Bond be called to

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complained of Mr. Hudson being exceedingly ill treated
Hon. Members, and he then adverted to the indietnieo,ls
which were sent before a favourable Grand Jury. e
added, that witnesses were examined, that the bills were
~ign-
ored, and that in these bills Mr. Hudson was include"'
He also stated that Mr. Hudson had refused to attend fond
before the Commission at Dublin. Such was the fact, a,,'„:l
(Mr. O'Connell) spent some time in endeavouring to PresTA
on him to change his determination, but without success. ',7
the Hon. and Gallant Member declared that Mr. Hudson
f
attend for him. The fact was, that the day after he (i"l..
O'Connell) left Dublin, a Mr. Hutton attended as his Couuse
and had attended ever since.—( Cheering.) Now, with re-
d
gard to Mr. Hudson, who, be it remembered, had been e;
scribed by the Hon. and Gallant Gentleman as the advise
of the Castle, though in reality he was only the junior ir,
sistant of the Attorney-General, he should state facts eel°
convincing. If the Hon.. and Gallant Gentleman had gil)
him notice of his intended statement, he (Mr. O'Conne`
should have come down provided with more documents•ci
‘f Cheers. ) But still the Hon. and Gallant Gentleman 10„11:,
fiti.d that he could get no credit for his second exhibition. tol4"e
Attt;7ey-General for Ireland was ordered by that House ti
proseete, and accordingly a prosecution was commeaehe,
against' Fight or ten persons, not indeed in 1831, to which t.'"
certificate only applied, but in 1832.—( Cheers.) Bills of
tb
dictment against six of the witnesses who had sworn to i;
bribery were sent up, witnesses were examined, and the bi'
against Mr. Hui2son and others would also have been sent uP
Oh, those bills against the first six had not bee:
ignored by the Grazed Jury. Who was the foreman of thia
Grand Jury ? Sir Roi.qrt Shaw, the father of the Hon• ann
Learned Recorder.—(Loud cheers.) Would any man te,o
him that Mr. Blackburne, the Attorney- General, did not
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his duty to the utmost? he did not, he would deserve WI,
be impeached, and the Noble Lord who was then Secretary 0,
Ireland (Lord Stanley) would he dragged in for his re
o
share
el,
the censure. But he took upon himself to be the a ejdvocate r_
the Noble Lord.—( Cheers and laughter. ) The strongest cas_
were selected by the Attorney-Gene: al, but they failed, a,
Mr. Hudson was generally congratulate.d, as his case was ell
sidered to be included in the first bills. That was on the 9'o
of January, and on the 2d of February a dinner was gi/e.
to Mr. Hudson by an Harmonic Society, of which he Ole
member, and then Mr. Hudson's health was proposed by t,!,
'
Attorney- General—( Cheers)—the Lord Mayor of Puba,,,"
being present, and sitting on the right hand of the Chrirol7,l
—( Cheers.) This Mr, Hudson, the criminal, was thus toast of
and feasted by the Attorney- General for Ireland, 4
course, must be supposed to know his degree of culpabili,tio'
He (Mr. O'Connell) dil not charge the Hon. Member WitPof
suppression of truth, but he asked him was he ignorant
0?
these facts=was he ignorant that any bills were sent elocod
If so, why did he not state the fact that night? The Bon. Ice,
Learned Member then read a letter from Mr. Sergeant Nir°l3,bo
to the effect that the law officers of the Crown made
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strictest inquiry into all the alleged offences in respect to
Whle,
the House of Commons ordered a prosecution ; that they
sot
lected the strongest cases ; and that, as all the bills
secs
up were ignored, it would have been absurd to send up oti),,eho
which could only be supported by the same evidence. to
Hon. and Learned Member then asked whether he was wrollg,
stating that Mr. Hudson was free from every charge, and
wheog
ther he had not, considering the suddenness with which he
a
at the time called upon to recollect the circumstances, st'ltbe,
the leading features ?—( Cheers.) He trusted that, notvatto
standing the Hon. and Gallant Member's repetition of.d
attack upon Mr. Hudson, his vindication was as complete'-
as satisfacs on the first occasicn—( Cheers).
Mr. SHAW rose, and endeavoured to address the B 0 o 1
but was obliged to resume his scat, amid the loudest cr'yord
" Spoke," " Question," " Order," and calls for
Morpeth."
After a few words from Mr. BARRON and Mr. WARD, 0,
The SPEAKER,
derstood to say, that as the Gallant Officer (Colonel Peree'egi
said that he had something to state which referred to hitlis- of
the House, in its courtesy, allowed him an opportunitY,of
making that statement. The House bad also granted a sir° its
opportunity to the Hon. and Learned Member for Dublo9oo
order that he might defend himself. The two stateuiteoli
having been made, he thought it highly inconvenient to a'riet
the discussion to continue any longer.—( Hear, and loud e
of " Mr. Shaw," and " Lord Morpeth.") 1/8
Mr. S HAW, amid the greatest confusion, said that
t
Hon. and Learned Member for Dublin.had now charged
with having suppressed a fact the other night with resPee,:o
the case of Mr. Hudson. He (Mr. Shaw) stated the

the bar.
Sir S. B. VERE, as we understood, had moved, as an
amendment, that the petitioner be brought up on Monday.
Mr. W ASON thought the parties here should not be
brought up till they altered their petition.
Mr. WARBURTON said that Bond was one of those who
gave no evidence before the Committee, neither did his peti-
tion state that he was ready to communicate what information
he possessed.
Sir G. CLERK said this person stated that he left his
house to evade giving evidence, but soon returned home again,
and was proceeding to London for the purpose of coming be-
fore the Committee to tender his evidence. He met the Hon.
Member for Ipswich (Mr. Wason) in the coach, who told him
that-it was now too late, and that his evidence would not be
required. Besides this circumstance it was something in his
favour that there was no charge of bribery against him. There
was nothing in the evidence to affect him. It would be hard,
therefore, to keep him in prison till Monday.
Mr. WA SON regretted'the allusion made by the Hon.
Member who spoke last to the circumstance of what passed
between him and Bond, because it obliged him to mention
what he should not otherwise. He met Bond and another
witness in the coach, who told him that be would put the peti-
tioners to all the expense he could, and that he was going to
London at their expense. He (Mr. Wason) observed that
this was unfair, that he had no occasion to attend, as the Com-
mittee had already reported against him.
After a few words from Sir B. Vere, Mr. Stewart, Sir G.
Clerk, Mr. Hume, and Mr. Jervis,
Mr. O'CONNELL suggested that it was better to wait
until Monday.
Sir G. CLERK said the Noble Lord (J. Russell) thought
the parties sufficiently punished. Was the Noble Lord of
opinion that there was anything in the case of Bond which re-
quired a different treatment from the others?
Lord J. RUSSELL said the principal circumstances in
his case was that Bond refused to be examined, nor did be
state in his petition that he was willing to give any informa
tion that might be required. If, however, the House divided,
he should vote for his being now called to the bar.
Sir B. VERE, as we, understood, prefessed his readiness to
withdraw the motion till Monday.
Lord HOWICK said the desire of the House must be to
save time. For that purpose it would be better to move now
that Bond be called to the bar on Monday. He had no strong
opinion against his being discharged even now.
Mr. AGLIONBY saw nothing that could be gained by
keeping this man two days longer in prison.
Mr. T. ATTWOOD thought the House ought to deter-
mine on the case now.
Sir J. WR 0 TTE SLEY hoped the motion would be settled
now without any stipulation.
Mr. STEWART—If the parties altered the petition. and
professed their readiness to attend and give full information of
allthey knew when called upon, would not oppose their dis-
charge any further.
After a few words from Mr. WILK S, which were inaudible,
the motion was withdrawn, with an understanding thatit would
be submitted on Monday, with an altered petition.
Mr. Sergeant JACKSON said the case of Mr. O'Malley,
from whom he presented a petition that day se'nnight, dif-
fered from the others. He had now a petition to present
from that Gentleman.
Mr. HUME reminded the Hon. Member that the time for
presenting petitions that night had passed.
Mr. Sergeant JACKSON said he should, therefore, move
that the petition he presented that day se'nnight from Mr.
O'Malley be printed, and taken into consideration on Monday
I next.
The question being put,
Colonel PERCEVAL begged to take this opportunity of
drawing the attention of the House to a circumstance that oc-
curred some days back, and which must be in the recollection
of the House, upon the occasion of a discussion which arose re-
lative to the conduct. of the petitioners whose case was be-
fore them that night, he took the opportunity of then observ-
ing that the Hon. and Learned Member for Dublin wculd
have more properly directed his condemnation against a man
now holding a high and responsible situation. In bringing
this matter now before the House, it was not his object to di-
rect any attack against the individual himself, but to draw the
recollection of the House to what fell at the time from the
Hon. and Learned Gentleman, the Member for Dublin.
Mr. AGLIONBY rose to order. The question before the
House was that two individuals should be brought to the bar,
and he was at a loss to understand on what possible foundation