The Sun.
London, England, 1859-10-17 00:00:00

£76,900 0 0
One other, if only in justice to political parties,
and that shall be the Board of Trade, or

MR. MILNER'S GIBSON'S PATRONAGE
Offices.

care to be a merely paid dummy. • The experience
of others must be similar to Mr. Horsman's. There
is, for instance, the secretary of one of the public
departments, who, as au administrative reformer,
one cannot help expecting, will very soon resign
his position and salary of £1,500 per annum. There
cannot, by any possibility, be office work for him.
He is an underwriter, a railway director, a broker,
a salaried managing di-ector of a public company, a
salaried agent for a foreign bank, and now secretary
of a public department, all rolled in one. Is it not
time that this last sinecure should be abolished and
the salary saved ?
I happen to know of a principal clerk at another
department, who very deliberately walks to his
office at twelve, and very deliberately leaves it at
two, and draws a salary of £BOO. One would think
that this, too, could be revised.
I know of another Government official, Who, with
a salary of several hundreds, adds nearly £3OO a
year to it by writing for the periodical press during,
and only during, office hours. It is comparatively
easy to guess how much office work is done in this
case, and whether this 'gentleman could not be en-
tirely dispensed with.
Of junior clerks, whose "name is legion," no spe-
cific account is needed. One has often heard them
describe their principal employments to be luncheon,
dinner, and the newspaper. They do work unques-
tionably, but in an accountant's office the work
would be done, perhaps doubly as well, in half the
time, and with half the expense.
Two questions now arise. We have here, in cer-
tain civil departments of the State, an expenditure
for salaries of nearly three and a half millions per
annum, an expenditure which is certainly enor-
mous, and which, on investigation, appears to be
grossly wasteful and dishonest. Now, is there not
a way to stop this ? No, not unless the indepen-
dent members of the House of Commons will do it.
I can offer them a practical suggestion, which I
think it would be possible to carry out, and which
would certainly have some influence. Before the
next estimates are brought forward let the secreta-
ries, under secretaries, and some- of the clerks of
every government office be examined on oath, be-
fore commissioners, concerning their official hours,
work, and pay ; and let their books, one and all, be
submitted to professional accountants for a rigid
examination and report. This would be an extreme
measure, but we have got to a pass in which ex-
treme measures are required. Our expenditure now
regularly exceeds our income, and there is a well-
founded belief, such as this cursory examination of
the salaries and duties of public officers supports,
that a great part of this is wasted, or worse than
wasted. If Mr. Gladstone, therefore, doei not take
the matter in hand—and one can scarcely expect
any Minister to do it—it should be the duty of the
independent members of the House of Commons—a
duty which need not be self-assumed, for the public,
on knowing the facts, will most readily request
them to act.
Another practical suggestien - is, that in future,
instead of increasing the number of government
servants, the hours of office should be increased.
Working from 9 to 4, or from 9 to 5, will hurt no
man who is at all capable of work.
, Perhaps it is useless now to make any inquiry
into the nearer or more remote causes of our finan-
cial extravagance. But one cause is too patent to
be overlooked. Most of the supernumerary and or-
namental offices owe their origin to the venality of
the constituencies and their representatives, the
agents of corruption being the whippers-in. This
will not change until human nature is changed ;
but a few gross cases of abuse brought occasionally
to the light of day serve to stop the very rapid
growth of this fungus. So unceasing are the de-
mands of members, and so seldom are any appoint-
ments made without reference to 2arty consideration
—that is, without asking what the party in power
will gain by it—that Ministers, although they are
autocrats in their several departments, have seldom
any liberty of choice.. One wonder whether, in the
midst of these cobwebs and spiders, Mr. Milner
Gibson or Mr. Charles Villiers has yet dared to
make an independent appointment.—l am, &c.,
FINANCE.

Officers. Salaries.
1 The president
1 The vice-president
2 Joint secretaries
1 Assistant secretary, marine department 1,000 0 0
1 Do. railway department, £7OO to £l,OOO 875 0 0
1 Registrar and librarian, £6OO to £BOO 755 0 0
1 Accountant
8 First class clerks, £450 to £6OO
7 Senior clerks, £3OO to £450
7 Second class clerks, £3OO to £150
13 Third class clerks, £lOO to £3OO
12 Supplementary clerks, seniors, £l5O to
£3OO
21 Do. juniors, £lOO to £l5O
1 Chief of statistical department BOO
2 Professional members, marine depart-
ment, £690 to £BOO
1 Surveyor-general, marina department,
£450 to £6OO - 481
1 Nautical assessor
1 Inspector of railways
2 Do., £5OO to £BOO
1 Legal assistant, £OOO to £BOO 662
1 Comptroller of corn returns
1 Deputy-comptroller of corn returns 4OO
Private secretary to the president
Do. to the vice-president
Do. to the secretaries 2OO
1 Office keeper
12 Messengers, including porter'
1 Housekeeper

10 0
0 0
0 0

1,462

10 0

£3.5,32210 0
OFFICE OF THE REGISTRAR OF ILERCILINT SEAMEN,
Placed under Board of Trade, per Act 17 and 18 Viet.,

c. 100'

1 Registrar-General
1 Assistant registrar, £5OO to £7OO 5BO 0 0
1 Chief clerk, £4OO to £550 445 0 0
4 First class clerks, £350 to £500
15 Second ditto, £2OO to £359
30 Third ditto, £lOO to £l5O 3,947 15 0
1 Office keeper
4 Messengers, £7O to £9O 317 10 0
1 Housekeeper

£11,692 15 0

UNIFORM DECIMAL SYSTEM OF MEA
SURES, WEIGHTS, AND COINS.

The second sitting of the Intern itional Associa,
tion for obtaining a uniform decimal system of
measures, weights, and coins, was held in the
Mechanics'-hall, Bradford, on Tuesday morning,
when there were present M. Michel Chevalier, pre-
sident, and the delegates from Russia and other
Continental nat ions.
Mr. YATES read a report of what had been done
in pursuance of a resolution, adopted at the first
establishment of the association, that the branches
formed in different countries should endeavour to
obtain accounts of all weights and measures used
in their respective countries, so that from them a
complete account might be compiled of all weights
and measures thrOughout the world. One of the
first efforts of the British- branch was to collect
thie information in regard to the British Isles. The
council published the results in the form of tables,
and it was probable that no account of the local
weights and measures used throughout the British
Isles had appeared which was more correct, com-
plete, and intelligible. In the meantime a work
had been finished which ansWered the wishes of the
association in regard to the whole world. Already
a French work of this kind had been published at
Brussels. But in 1858, Mr. Frederick Noback, of
Chemnitz, in Saxony, brought to a termination the
great work at which his father had laboured during
a long life, and his " Munz—Maass—Gewichts-
eiPsie, contained the fullest
matters, and probably left
a
nothing/ to be desired, except its translation into
informationbuch ," published
on
theset Leipsic,
various languages. This remained to be done.
M. CHEVALIER, as chairman of the meeting, then
delivered his opening address..He spoke in French,
of which the f .flowing is a translation. After some
introductory remarks on the manifest tendency
among nations to unite, in spite of differences of
religion and government, and to adopt similar
customs, so far as it was permitted by diver-
sity of climate and of origin, he proceeded as
follows :—The uniformity of weights, mea-
sures, and coins, the object of our International
Association, will be one step more in the direc-
tion of the approximation of nations. And here, in
fact, at least to make the illusion complete, one does
not see what objections we can have to refute. As-
suredly no one would maintain that all should be
uniform in the world. Nature shows that hero be-
low variety is as extensive a law as uniformity. But
both variety and uniformity have their separate
and distinct domains. If uniformity is anywhere
in its place, it is surely in weights, measures, and
coins. There is no interest which can pretend to
be injured by it, unless itbo that of a blind routine,
which merits no sympathy—inspires none. The
enterprise, gentlemen, on which you have resolved
to concentrate your efforts and' your influence is
then one of thoso rare eases where one can affirm
that all is beneficial, and that the inconveniences
are microscopic or absolutely none. You are not
msrely.united individually in the opinion that it is
convenient that all nations should have one system
of weights, measures, and coins, differing in no re-
spect except perhaps to preserve provisionally,
either entirely or in part, the names used in each
country. Yet more : you are all persuaded that the
uniform system should fulfil a certain number of
conditions, namely :—That for each kind of mea-
sure, the subdivisions and -the multiples should be
decimal in themselves, and is accordance with the
unit. That the different kinds of measures, such as
those of length, of superficies, of volume, of weight,
and of value, should have a common element by
which they approach each other, and from which
they all derive a decimal connection. That, in order
to remove all national distinctions, and to give more
durability to the system, this common element,
which serves as a basis for the edifice, should be
founded, not in the traditions of this or that civilised
nation, but on the most evident natural facts, such as
the dimensions of the planet we inhabit. On these
conditions the system would bs, as one may say,
founded on a rock ; and thus, as has been observed of
the metrical system, it would be a chain, of which
it suffices to seize the first link in order to raise the
whole. Now that the relations of international
commerce are become so active and so extensive, it
is superfluous to point out the conveniences offered
by the adoption of such an uniform system. It would
be a guarantee against losses, errors, and even
frauds, which constantly occur. Neither is it neces-
sary to remark that in each individual state a sys-
tem of weights, measures, and coins, constituted as.
I have described, would be a benefit to all classes
of society without exceoion—for the workman,
who 'has to maize calculations, or to give an account
of what he uses—for the manufacturer, for the
engineer, for the professional accountant, the pri-
vate man of even the most moderate means, who,
nevertheless, has his small accounts to keep, it
would be a constant economy of time. It would be
a satisfaction to every one to comprehend those
relative proportions between classes of objects, which
are now passed over from the complexity with, which
they are surrounded, like a thick cloud. In the pre-
sent state of the subject there can be no doubt among
the members of our association, and I believe, I may
say, with others, upon one question, viz., what basis
should be given to a uniform decimal system of
weights, measures, and coins ? whether, for ex-
ample, it be the metre, or some other unit drawn
from natural objects. Besides this, I only perceive
subordinate and necessary questions to be decided,
such as what arrangements will be necessary in
each country to accomplish the 1 c ge. You will
appreciate the private reasons which oblige me to
abstain from recommending you to choose the metre
for the basis of the systm, by pronouncing an

CONTINGENT EXPENSES.
Doftril of Tra:e
(M ice of the registrar of merchant men 2,000 0 0

£7,000 0 0
Your readers ha 70 only to multiply the above
three departments by ten and add one, and they
111 have before them the whole of the thirty-four
public offices from the House of Lords to the office
of the Lunacy Commissioners downwards, and the
whole of the expenditure of nearly one million ster-
ling.
Well, sir, unfortunately, the public do not require
to be told how much of this expenditure is, to speak
with moderation, a gross imposition. With regard
to the chiefs of departments, Mr. Horsman, a few
months ago, enlightened the House of Commons
and enraged all existing officials by telling the tale
of his life at the Irish-office. The history was too
piquant to be forgotten by this time. Mr. Horsman
resigned his office and salary because he did not

eulogium on the metrical system, which is a wise
idea. It may, however, be allowed me to remind
you that this system was conceived with a view to
universal adoption, and that the method of proceed-
,

ing designed to establish it, as far as the times
allowed, followed a mode calculated to determine
this adoption. All the countries with which
France was then at peace—and, unfortunately,
it was only a small number—hero invited to con-

cur in the undertaking, and they answered to the
appeal. You arc not ignorant that since then a con-
siderable number of countries in both hemispheres,

among which may be welcomed the monarchy of
Spain, also many highly civilised states, have
adopted the metrical system. A powerful confe-
deration, considerable from the amount of popula-

ion and the learning which distinguishes ihem—
,he German Confederation—have borrowed from it
he unit of weight and the basis for their coinage.

The English branch of our International Associa-
tion, after mature deliberation, has determined to
recommend the metrical system for adoption in its
principal elements—the metre, the litre, and the
gramme. The only observation which I think I
ought to make on the subject of the metrical sys-
tem is, that in France the people had little difficulty

A vote of thanks was accorded to the writers of
the different essays which had been read, and the
president of the Mechanics' Institution for the use
of the hall.

in becoming accustomed to it: The substitution Of
the new for the old order of things was madly ef-
fected. The obstacles arose more from retrogres-

THE GLOYCESTER ELEC?ION
COIIIMISSIOIV".

sive administrators than from those whom- the

[overs of routine affected to pity. It is an impor-
tant fact to adduce with what is before us, and to

encourage all those who propose the same object.
You have to determine in this meeting in what
manner, and under what form, you will pursue
your eforts. I ought not to attempt to influence
your deliberations iu this respect. It is clear that

GLOUCESTER, SATURDAY.
•
On the resumption of the inquiry this morning,
the Commissioners proceeded with the evidence re-

ferring to the election of 1857.
Mr. W. P. Price, the late member for the city,
was examined with reference to the election, and

stated the cost of his election and petition, which
has already been reported. He also wished to make
a remark with reference to a statement made by G.
Buchanan, which he considered was unmanly and

the lever you ought to try to put into action is that
of public opinion. We can only succeed if this
opinion gives us its all-powerful aid with the go-
vernments, on whom the determination depends.
Present circumztaxces arc favourable, and invite us
to act. A few months ago almost all governments
seemed to listen to the evil suggestions of the
demon of war ; now, happily, they have changed,

and returned with a resolution most honourable- to

the cause of peace. They declare their strong de-
sire to maintain for the world the possession of
this supreme good. They direct the great means
at their disposal to similar enterprises for the ad-
vancement of general happiness, of learning, and
of liberty. We shall meet with a kind reception
from them, especially if public opinion supports us.
And what is the object of our ambition, if not to
place in their hands, as most proper, the task that
we have taken the liberty of assuming, and which
we only undertook because we found it abandoned ?
We have, then, to solicit public opinion and the
governments. We may solicit public opinion,
without fear of becoming intrusive, and without
being wanting in self-respect, if we demand only
`what is for the general interest of the civilised
world, and for the special interest of every nation
comprising that civilisation. We may solicit the
governments with a respectful but untiring con-
stancy, when it will bring to them a subject for
glory, when what we require is of a nature to
strengthen the tie between nations, to inspire deep
gratitude from the people towards their rulers, and
to create for them with posterity an imperishable
title to honour. _ _

unjust. The imputation was that money had been
paid by some persons on his account. The imputa-
tion was ungenerous, because it was so difficult to
disprove a general statement like that ; but he
would say that, to the best of his knowledge, no
person had ever paid a shilling on his account in
respect of elections, and there was no reason why
they should.
By Mr. Mitford—Had been asked to subscribe

towards the fund for supporting municipal contests,
and gave instructions to Mr. Ellis not to do so ; but
he was free to admit that he had. on one or two oc-

casions been applied to by friends, who said, " If you
won't subscribe to the election, give me something,"
and he had done so. He remembered giving £25 on

two separate occasions, but he did not believe he
had given more than £7O altogether for that pur-
pose. He thought that great mischief had arisen
from making the municipal election accessory to the
Parliamentary election. He looked upon the Glou-
cester Reform Club as the bane of the party. He
had objected to it, but could not prevent its being
formed, and. he subscribed £lO to it as a benefit
club.

By Mr. Vaughan—Never asked the (London) Re-
form Club for money, nor would he have conde-
scended to accept one shilling. He was himself a
member of the club, and it was a fallacy to suppose
that theßeformClub contributed to election expenses.

No doubt a subscription was entered into, but it was
independent of the Reform Club. He never asked
for any assistance, nor could he have accepted it.
The cost of the election for 1i32 was £B2O or £B3O,

On the motion of Dr. FAIN, seconded by Mr.
LAWRENCE HEYWORTH, a cordial vote of thanks
was passed to the Chairman for his able and beau-
tiful. address.
M. KUPFFER, deputy from the Russian govern-
ment, and member of the Imperial Academy of
Sciences, St. Petersburg, detailed, in French, the
steps which are taking in that country with refer-
ence to the subject of a uniform decimal system.
Dr. HODGKIN, after thanking M. Kupffer for his
address, moved—" That this meeting respectfully
requests his Imperial Highness the Grand Duke
Constantine to fill the effice of vice-president for
the Russian Empire, and that the resolution be
communicated to his Imperial Highness by M.
Kupffer, the academician, through the Imperial
Academy of Sciences at St. Petersburg." Under the
auspices of the Grand Duke they might hope that
the decimal system would be most favourably re-
commended to Russia, which had nobly taken up
the subject, and was willing to lay aside its ancient
measures, which, as the meeting had heard from
M. Kupffer, had been derived from the Tartars of
old, and partly from the complicated system which
Peter the Great derived from th's country.
Mr. J. B. SMITH, M.P., in seconding the resolu-
tion, said he]thought the time was come when they
should petition the British Government to call a
congress of nations to coar.ider this important
question. He could not help thinking that, with
the fact before them that the government of Russia
was prepared to adopt the decimal system if Eng-
land would do the same, it would have a great
effect upon the mind of Parliament:
Mr. ROBERT KELL said that as one largely en-
gaged in foreign trade he felt daily the incon-
venience of the variety of systems of moneys,
weights, and measures which prevailed throughout
the world.
, The resolution then passed unanimously.
At this period of the meeting Lord Brougham
entered the hall, and was very cordially greeted.
Mr. J. B. SMITII, M.P., moved—" That in the
opinion of this meeting the time has arrived when
the Government of this country should be requested
to invite the nations of the world to a congress, to
assemble at some convenient place, to take into
consideration the adoption of an international sys-
tem of weights and measures, and that the other
branches of this society be requested to address a
similar request to their respective Governments."
Mr. J. POPE HENNESSY, M.P., seconded the
motion in a short speech.
Lord BROUGHAM said he entirely agreed with

which iucluded .E 125 given to the mayor for charities
in lieu of being chaired, and also £lOO expended by
Mc. Ellis in watching the petition which was
lodged against his return, but never prosecuted.
He paid two-thirds of tho Liberal expenses of that
election, Admiral Berkeley paying one-third. Mr.
Price also explained as to a sum of £94 10s. which
had been expended on the day of the poll in 1857,
but which was subsequently fully explained by the
•
next witness.

Mr. R. Potter, timber merchant, and partner
with Mr. Price, stated that, on the day of the poll
in 1857, Brewer Monk came to him about two
o'clock in the afternoon. The poll was then against
Messrs. Berkeley and Price, and Brewer Monk said
he could not get money to pay the outvoters their
travelling expenses, and upon this ho gave him
£94 10s. The account remained in the boaks of

the proposition which had been made.- He consi-
dered the presence of M. Chevalier upon that occa-
sion was a very great advantage as well as an hon-
our to the association.
Vice-presidents to represent Great Britain and
the foreign branches of the association were then
appointed, Mr. Roberts, a coloured person, being
appointed vice-president for Liberia.
Lord, BROUGHAM remarked that such a proceed-
ing as the appointment of a black man to be one of
the foreign vice-presidents of the association was
very creditable. (Hear.)
The meeting, was shortly after adjourned to the
following day.
The third sitting commenced at twelve o'clock on
Wednesday. There was only a small attendance.
Mr. Yates, F.R.S., one of the vice-presidents, pre-
sided.
The CHAIRMAN read a paper on " The best means
of promoting the extension of the metrical system
in the United Kingdom." He recommended that
their views should be communicated to all authors
of books for teaching arithmetic, with a request
that they would consider the expediency of intro-
ducing the method which the association recom•
mended. Secondly, application should be made to
persons engaged in education, so that they might
have an opportunity of expressing their wishes and
opinions to the Committee of Council on E dnca t. ion.
lii conkinction with schoolmasters and authors of
books he recommended that they should apply to
the Committee of Council, urging the importance of
giving a decimal education as well as teaching the
principles of the metrical system.
Mr. LEONE LEVI, F.S. A., F.S.S., read an excellent
paper entitled " Observations on the Adaptation of
British Measures, Weights, and Coins to those of
other Countries." Having shown how confused
and inconvenient is our present system of weights,
measures, and coins, the evils which follow from
the complicated system, and the diversities which
exist in the weights and measures in use at different
places in the kingdom, he spoke of the inconveni-
ence of our units as compared with the units of
other countries. Our units were inconvenient, be-
cause they caused a very great excess of figures,
and, moreover, the use of such units kept us isolated
from all other nations of the world. Having shown
the need of reform in the whole matter of our
weights, measures, and coins, he remarked that two
objects ought to be kept in view in effecting any
changes. The first was, that we should have a
perfect decimal system ' • the E mond, that we should
as much as possible bring our institutions into
unison with those of foreign countries. He then
detailed the great advantages of the metrical system
in both those particulars, and showed the beautiful
analogy which existed between the weights, mea-
sures, and coins of the metrical system and the uses
of such analogies in commercial matters. It was not
possible, he said, to have perfect identity in matters
of coinage in different countries, inasmuch as the
fluctuations of the exchanges, the regulations of the
different mints, and the difference in the value of
coins and precious metals, precluded perfect identity
in all countries. Two systems were prominently
before the public, and divided attention : the one was
the decimal of a pound sterling of 1,000 mils, and
the other was to take the penny as the unit. The
pound was the real standard of value, the only mea-
sure of worth, and the principal money of account.
It was a most convenient unit for large transactions,
and best described large sums. Again, the penny
was full of historical associations, and it was essen-
tially the poor man's money. Which of those two
units could best be sacrificed ? He thought that
with the pound we could offer a good decimal coinage,
but he advocated the taking of the penny as a unit in
preference, and to multiply it by 10 and by 100, so
as to have a coin of Bs. 4d. in gold, and he thought
that this would not displace the pound. The pound
might still continue to have a certain relation to the
penny just the same as the guinea, which was still
in use, had a relation to the present sovereign.
Mr. T. C. M. MEEKINs, barrister-at-law, tholght
the requisites for an international system were an
identity of standard and an identity in the alloy.

It was desirable, but would not be necessary, to dis- Monk. I had £6 from George Bowers, and £lO I
place domestic coinage in auy country. Ultimately took off a table. (Laughter.) It was through Mr.
it might be displaced, but in the meantime it might Whithorn. I had a guinea in 1857, and voted for
circulate along with the other. Carden. I was paid as a messenger by Mr. Whit-
Mr. T. MITCHELL read a paper by Mr. Charles horn, three or four days after the blection.
Atherton, her ...iajesty's engineer at Woolwich Mr. W. C. Cooke—Was a grocer in Southgate-
Dockyard, "On obtaining an uniform and decimal street. Neer told Henry Cox that if he would
system of measures, weights, and coins." The same vote as I wished I would remit him a sum of money
gentleman also read a piper by Mr. Wm. Hughes, which he was indebted to me.
F.R.G.S., professor of geography in Queen's Col- The inquiry was then adjourned till next Satur-
lege, London, strongly advocating the adoption of day, the court being required for the quarter
th decimal system of measures as applied to the sessions.
construction of maps, and as an element in geogra-
phical tuition.
The only other paper was one by Mr. J. E. Hodg-
kin, of Liverpool, which was read by Mr. Yates.
M. AN TONIUS AMEUN EY, of Syria, gave an tail us-
ing account of the confusion which exists in the
Turkish Empire with regard to weights, measures,
and distances.

COUNTRY MARKETS.

LEICESTER-Om 15.

There was a moderate supply of wheat to-day, with a
fair show of other grain. Prices—White wheat, 46s to 48s
—red, 40s to 45s per 36 stone; a very fair inquiry for fine
barley, grinding, 28s to 30s ; malting, 38s to 40s per qr. ;
,the oat trade was dull, at quotations ranging from 25s to
31s per 24 stone. Beans a fair sale, at 48s to 52s per 38
stone.

Fine flour, Ns I Seconds, 31s I Thirds, ns per 20 steno.

NORIVICII—OcT. 15.

Here, to-day, there was rather a full attendance of thii
trade, and a firm feeling. There was a fair show of wheat,
and prices for both old and new were at rather better rates.
The supply of bailey was moderato, and prices at about
late rates, except for best malting, which was la higher.
Little passing in oats, beans, or peas.

i Whits wheat 46s to 48s' Red wheat 41s to 44s
Malting barley....4os to 47s New malting barley3Bs to 44s
Distilling do.. ....24s io 27s Oats.. 245 to 28s
Flour, 29s 6(.1 to 30s per sack from the miller.

the firm until April, 1858, when it was transferred
to Mr. Price's private account. Undoubtedly ho
might have suspected that among these" expenses"
there might have been some bribery. Thought it
very likely that he had suspected that, in the ex-
citement of the election, money might have been
spent without very nicely distinguishing the boun-
daries between legal and illegal expenses.
Mr. John Chadbourn took part in the election of
1857 on behalf of Mr. Price and Mr. Berkeley, and
paid away altogether about £47. His papers were
all destroyed, t, as far as his memory served, he
would account for the amount. He paid 15 men,
whoa he employed on his own account—for he had
strict instructions from Mr. Price not to pay any
money—about £2O. They were a kind of" roughs"
to protect voters. He also paid £lO or £l2 ex-
penses of voters coming from a distance—legitimate
travelling expenses—and the rest went in inciden-
tals. He subsequently received £35, which ho
employed in getting up evidence in support of the
petition.
Mr. W. Viner Ellis, agent to Mr. Price at the
election for 1857, gave an account of the moneys
received from that gentleman. Ho had paid
£235 3s. 7d., the auditor's account, and £22 Is.
for after expenses. This was the cost of the elec-
tion. He also paid in respect of the petition
which followed Mr. Coppock's bill, about'£34o, to
Chadbourn, the last witness, £35, and some
smaller sums, making altogether £646 for election
and expenses of petition. His instructions were not
to expoad any money in expenses, and on the poll-
day he was pestered to death by applications, so
that at last he was obliged to take refuge in Mr.
Phillpott's office. They came to him and said,
" We can win the election if you'll stand a little
money ;" but he told them that iihalf-a-crown spent
in briber), or corruption would win the election, he
would not give it.
Mr. Probert, jun., who canvassed for the liberal
party in 1857, received £lO for his expenses, and
paid the voters small sums to vote for Berkeley and
Price. The other party he found was buying up
all the votes.
Mr. David Fear, cooper, had transactions with
the firm of Price and Co., and never received a dis-
count of 4 per cent. from any bill of Price and Co.'s
against his on account of his vote.
Mr. Leonard Hadley supported Price and Ber-
keley. Neither paid nor received any money for
either of them in the election.
Mr. John Wodley Hughes—l sent £lO to Brewer
Monk on the day of election for the payment of
travelling expenses. He did not say for whom he
wanted it, but he said he wanted it for travelling
expenses, and so on; that he was much pressed for
money, and would be much obliged to me if I would
advance him some. I directed him to ga to Mr.
Newman and get it on my account. I saw Mr.
Newman and told him to let him have it. I did
not at first suspect the money was for bribery, but
I did afterwards when I saw the confusion and ex-
citement which prevailed, and that some voters
were in liquor. I did not know my money was to
be applied to bribery. It was generally rumoured
that bribery was going forward. I don't know
that it was confined to either side. Did not ad-
vance any money for the 1859 election, and know
of no one who advanced any. Did not canvass in
1859. The £lO was repaid some months after-
, wards, so Mr. Newman told me. I told Mr. Ellis
soon after the election that I had advanced this
money. It vas two or thr' ee hours after I had ad-
vanced the money before I began to suspect it had
been employed in something more than " travelling
expenses." It is very likely that Mr. Ellis took
refuge in Mr. Phillpott's office, as I heard he was
not to be found.
Mr. Joseph Moss—No money passed through my
hands at the election of 1857. During the election
I went into the committee room in rather an excited
state, and tad Mr. Ellis and Mr. Wilton that we
were losing the election through not paying a num-
ber of voters their day's work ; Mr. Ellis said if one
shilling would save the election he would not ad-
vance it, and I retired from the room in disgust.
The Chairman—You were disgusted that xou
could get no money didn't want the money ;it
was the men who wanted to be paid for their day's
work. I was disgusted to think we were losing
the election through not paying these men the
small amount they wanted merely for their day's
work.
John Coopey—l am a freeman and a dealer; and
I live in the parish of Churcham. I deal in sheep
and pigs and cattle. In 1859 I voted for Carden,
for which I received £7 from a gentleman named
John Ward. He paid me at Tandy's at the Rising
Sun, before I voted. I came in with eight or nine
others on a coach. In 1857 I voted for Carden, and
received £3 from John Ward. I had it from my
sister, Mary Coopey. I have voted twice for Mr.
Hope and twice for Mr. Carden. I never got any-
thing for voting for Mr. Hope. Nobody offered
me anything.
Mr. William Withers—l was at a beerhouse
called the Victory on the polling day in 1857.
There were several voters called Drinkwater there ;
there were four or five of them. They wanted 50s.
each to vote, but I would not give it to them. They
were taken off in a fly and voted for Carden. I paid
no money at the election. I received £4 for services
Tendered on the petition.
Charles Bossom—l am a freeman. Mr. Hall's
wife gave my little child £1 for my vote in 1859 for
Mr. Monk. I voted for Carden and Monk. In
1857 I voted for Sir R. Carden, butreceiveind
. nothing. I had nothing from Sir R. Carden's
friends 1859. I had the £1 for my expenses
taking up my freedom when I came to Gloucester
in 1847. (A laugh.) The expenses
Thomas Knight, freeman--I voted were 16s.
for Carden and