The Sun.
London, England, 1832-03-28 00:00:00

I3ELGI UNI

Sir R. VAN VAN t:ostponed his rr.otion on thr r,:tiject
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THE GREAT SEAL (IRELAND).
Mr. SHAW, learning that tire Lord Chancellor (Plun-
ket) had written a letter, which intimated it to be his in-
tention not to insert the name of the Nlaater of the Rolls,
withnut his consent, in any future comenisaion for the
perfortreance of the duties connected with the Great Seel
of Ireland, begeted permission to withdraw the motion of
which be had given notice.
3loaior. withdrawn accordingly. "
BUCKINGHAM PALACE.
Sir FREDERICK TRENCH, in moving for " a Cops'
or any Minute issued by the Lords of Iris Majesty's Troa-
miry, referring to the expediency of preserving St. James's
Palace, and of enlarging it, by means of a communication
with Marlhorough House; and also for Copies, of the In-
structions given to Mr. Note, for the eXpenditure of
75,000/., granted for the erection of a parallelogram of
lsaildinga at Pue!tingbarn Hnuse, nod the plans, eseirnetes,
and apecificationa of the huiltlings p; opoaed to be erected,"
commented by observing, that an immense expentlitere
was at that moment going on for pulling down worga
erected in pursuance of the original plate. He believed,
indeed, there were upwards of seventy persons dad, ern.
olnyed in the work of demolition. He found it stated
in the Report, that the sums already expended on Bucking-
aem Palace amounted to 613.296/., and that there was
!"0 be a further outlay of 73,2771., which the architect
e'nsidered intlispenoably merits:fey for the security of the
building as well as to render it fitting for a Royal habita-
tion, and this suns was altogether exclusive of any others
required for furniture, decoration-, or fittings up, which
might be necessary before his Majesty could occupy it us
a palace. This amount for furniture, &c. the Committee
did not think would he very lerge ; hut he (Sir F. T.),
Nanking at what had already taken place a ilia respect to
Windsor Castle, could not think that the furnishing atf
Bnekingharn Palace would coat less than 300,0001.
Vindanr Castle had cost 280,0001. ; and when it was con-
sidered that many of the decorations of Buckingham
ease, and much of the furniture of Carlton Palace was
also employed in fitting up Windsor Castle, he really did
not think that his estimate of 300,000/. would prove more
than sufficient. This sum of SOO,OOO/., taken with the
613,296/. already expended, and 73,000/. in progress of
expenditure, would, when the projected parallelogram for
serrants was erected, at an expence of 75,0001, make a
total of 1,068,573/. for the completion of the Palace, ac-
rording to the present estimate, in order to render it tit for
purposes of State. He might add here, and he was sure
:lie public would learn it with some surprise, that after the
walls were stated to be so weak that they would re-
quire further supports to hear the weight already
placed on them, it was in contemplation now to
erect on them a second set of attics in addition to
the former ones. It might be understood, too, from
that, whether the sum of 75,0001., given in as the
estimate for finishing the Palace, was likely to he sufficient.
I: was, perhaps, not generally known that it had been at
one time proposed to turn Buckingham Hittite into a bar-
rack, and that it was calculated it would contain sixteen
officers and 2,400 men. He should be able to skew that it
might still be sold for 300,000/. It was not denied that a
conaiderable expenditure would be required for the removal
of the range of houses at one side of the Palace, in addi-
tion to the estimate already made; and he believed the
calculations, with respect to the cost of that removal, would
be found notch beneath the re dity. There was a whole
aide of a street, with a public-iiouse, to be purchased, and
he thought the expense attending the removal of those
houses could not he less than five hundred thousand pounds.
Even if they did not require Elliott's brewery or Brarnah's
steam-argine, he thought the expense would be 300,000/.
He came now to the apartments which, even under all the
improvements, would be left to his Majesty for the recep-
tion of company on State occasions, such as Drawing
Zaoma, Levees, Ice. There was a suite of three room-,
one of which was 20 feet long by nine feet wide ; the se-
cond was 30 feet by 43 ; and the third, and largest, in
which the throne was to be placed, was 62 by 36. Now
York House, which hid been compared to a number of
pigeon-houses round a sentry-box, had a suite of seven
rooms, infinin ly superior to any to be found in the Palace
interred for the residence of the Sovereign of the empire.
In fact, looking at the position cf the staircaeea, one of
which was exceedingly narrow, there seemed to be to
place of exit for the King, unless through a panne! in the
wainscot. At St. James's Palace there were at present six
apartments of great splendour for holing a Court, seeln
as could net be constructed under 180,000/. The present
Government professed to be economical, and he appealed
to the Noble Lord to carry those p•ofi tnieni into effect.
It wan well known that Buckingham Palace was qui e
nninhabitahle. There was a pool of water above it, and
a pool of water below i', and quantities of filth were ac•
cumulated in the neighbourhood, in a manner most inju.
minus to health. Its being below the level of the river at
high water added to its insalubrity. Thromaltout this
winter they had been obliged to keep 70 fires in the Pa-
lace to secure it from damp. Ought the King and Queen
of this; country to be put in such a building, and that, too,
after an additional 7000'00/ had been expended upon it?
If they staid at St. James's, they reieht get rid of Buck-
inoliam House; but it they went to Buckingham House,
they could not get rid of St. James's, because of the Stare
apartments at S'. James's, which a would require an ad-
ditional 180,000/. to build at Buckingham House. Al-
!tiding to the attics at Beckirighan, House, the Hon.
Meinner (n-aerved that there were 51, 46 of wh ch had
no fire-places; ler to make amends these were 34 with
water-closets. The Hon. Member proceeded to recom-
mend That an application should be made to Prince Leopold
togiee up NI irlborough House, for which he would no longer
have occasion ; and that in the space between St. Jtmes's
Palace and Marlborough House two houses should be built
oimilir to York House. York House had matt 80,000/ ;
1M ugh the Marquis of Stafford hod patd for it only
75,000/. Building two such houses, therefore, as York
Homes, between St. James's Palate and Marlborough
House would cost only 160,0001. On comparing York
House with Buckingham Palace, the advantage was
greatly in favour of the former. Yet the former h cost
only 80,000/., and the latter hail already coat 700.000/.,
and before it could be inh tbited would cost 700,0001.
more. The Lord Chamberlain had expressly stated that
Buckingham Palace was nor at all calculated to enable
thair 'Majeatiet. to hold any Curt there. Without in-
flicting upon the H-use any long statement (which was
the lees necessary as he had ciren'ated a paper on the sub-
ject), he w uld show how 700,000/. could be saved to
the public in this transaction. His plan was to tranefei
the King's College to Buckingham-house; giving that in-.
stitutien apartment for apartment. He understood from
a member of the Ctuncil of the King'. Cellege, that it '
had been lately a matter of discussion whether or riot tha
students should be allowed to walk about to their Colleaa
dress ; as from the peculiar situation of the College, they
often got into bad society. This evil would be obviated
by removing them to Buckingham Palace. But what
did he propose to do with Kiug'a Colley? At present
many individuals belonging to public offices lived in
houses hired for them by Government. He proposed that
they should reside in King's College. This would produce
15,000/. a year, or about 250,000/. In Buckingham Palace
a picture gallery teigna he constructed, five hundred and
twenty-six feet in length, and twenty-eight in breadth. The
gallery at the Louvre was thirteen hundred feet in length,
thirty-five in breadth. But the former would be as su-
perior in beauty. as it would be inferior in size. Indeed,
so admirable a picture gallery would not exist in Europe.
A statue gallery might also be constructed. The upper
part of the house might be converted into en office for

Records, as it would admit of very toietablie
Articlea to the value of 94a0t10:',., consisting of marble
chimney-pieces, state-tionen doors, marble floors, shutte- s,
marble emit:le:l.:4, oak floors, &c., might be removed from
Bucleingioam Palace to the new edifice. It must also he
considered, that, if Buckingham Palace were abandoned as
the residence of Royalty, it would be unneteetelley to retain
tuckinghann-gardens. The_v tontaineti 15,000 feet of
building-ground, white!) Wotild produce about 1,200,0001.
But for oil. rake of better Air, taking only a fourth, and
ins?ea4 of co-Vt.:log it With ronOo stiteets and squares (~l-though
though that would be a g'teat sacrifice to the lungs of the
residents in f3roavereir-pd 'ce), covering it with villas like
dine. in the Regent'a Park, the prochice woUld he ahem;
303,0001. By these means W.) ieea a sum than 690,000/.
would be left in hood to be applied hereafter to the neces-
sary decoration of St. James's Palace. He becged it to
he otaerved that his pills did not require the imposition it
a single shilling of taxes upon the people.
11r. C PELHA3I next addressed the Hautott, anti *as
understood to opp,e the rootiotte
Lord DIiNGANNOIY heel int-heated to the Hon. 'Mem-
ber that it was not lila intention to give him any answer;
to thin he would adhere, without at the sante time meaning
any disrespect to the Hon. Baronet. The facts were sim-
ply these :—The whole case had been brought under the
consideration of the House; a Select Committee win ap-
pointed ; that Committee recommended the completion of
the Palace; he wax authorised to bring in a Bill for the
expenditure of 76,000 i. on the completion of the building,
and the work WAS now in progress. For the rest, it
would he unfair to Mr. Blore, to give the Hon. Member
a Ceininittee, fir the avowed purpose of criticising and
finding fault with him.
Mr. R. GORDON was Leery that the Hon. Member
had not been a Member of the Select Committee ; fur, had
he been 3n, he could rot have failed to be convinced by the
evidence, oral and documentary, that tee plan they deci-
ded upon was the best. As to the sale of this place, if
the Hon. Member mold produce any capit list who would
give 4 or 500,000/. for it, be had nu doubt that it would
be received.
Mr. WARBUITON said that the public must he con-
tented with the loss of seven hundred thousand pounds;
but he was not sure that the walks in the Park-gardens
were not worth it.
Mr. FIUIT understood that the Sovereign had a per-
sonal objecti,,n to this most unwholesome place, which
was more like a penitentiary than a palace.
Lord ALTHORP did not think his Hon. Friend had
mede out his case, that there should be 700,000/. event to
complete the Palace. He (Sir F. Tient:l) had given no
pod reason. He did not think it was desirable to un•
dertake the budding of a new Pelace.—(Hear, hear.) It
did not appear to be economical even upon the grounds set
forth by his Hon. Friend. And when it was urged that
Buckihghatr, Palace was unwholesome, he begged to re.
mind Hon. Gentlemen, that George the Third and his
Queen had chiefly resided 'here during their long reign.
He admitted that the site was mot one which should have
been selected for a palace originally, but as the works had
proceeded to great i anent, Government deemed it proper
to submit the whole question to a Select Committe, whir h
was chosen faitly from the House ; and, indeed, if any.
thing, conta..ne,l a more than common infusion of these at-
etched to public economy, and they thought the best plan
was to proceed with the building; and the House acting
on their report, embodied it in a Resolution, upon which
the Government acted, would it then, he a-leed, be pru-
dent t' retrace their steps, and set about building a new
palace, when it was wed known how little they could de-
pend upon the i stimates ? He objected, in all courtesy, to
the production cf the papers moved for by the Hon. Alrm-
her--first, because some were not in existence; and se-
condly, because the production of others would be a
re-opening of the question, which could only lead, if to
anything, to the creation of greater expense.
Mr. CURTEIS took this opportunity of observing that
he thought the public had a right to ask of the Noble Lord
at the head of the Woods and Fittest, or of whatever
Member of the Government woo possessed the controul,
that the passage through St. James's-park, between
Storey's-gate and the Pimlico-gate, should be left open at
night. Those gates were now closed at an early hour of
the evening, and the consequ rice was that every person
who desired to to from Pimlico to Westminster, or from
Westminster to Pimlico, could only do so by a most cir-
cuitous and disagreeable route.
Lord DUNGANNON begged to state that the gates to
which the Hon. Gentleman referred were not under his
charge—they were under the controul of the Ranger of
the Park. lie would, however, take care that the subject
should be brought under his consideration, and he had no
doubt that the Hun. Gentleman's wishes would be com-
plied with.
Mr. O'CONNELL begged to suggest the propriety of
leaving the question of what course should be taken with
respect to Buckingham Palace, to the consideration of a
Reformed Parliament.
Colonel TRENCH ;aid that, after the observations made
by the Noble Lord, although by no means satisfied that his
plan was nut the hest to be adopted, he should not press
his motion to a division.
The question was then put, and the motion negatived.
TITHES (IRELAND).

Mr. STANLEY moved the order of the day for the
House resolving itself into Committee on Tithes (Ireland.)
On the motion that the Speaker do now leave the Chair,
Mr. WALLACE rose for the purpose of asking the
Right Hon. Gentleman whether he would comply with
the request made to him to postpone this Committee for
a week, in order that they might avail themselves of the
advantage of the information which by that time would
be furnished them in the report of the Select Committee,
whose labours were on the point of being closed. As yet
the House was entirely without information upon the sub-
ject, since not even a printed copy of the Lords' report had
been furnished to it. He therefore implored the Right

Hon. Gentleman not to press the subject upon the consi

deration of the H,.use that evening.

Mr. STANLEY thought that the argument used by the
Hon. and Learne4 Gen,letnan for the postptinment of this
question was the most powerful that could be advanced
for its being taken into itutredi ite consideration. The

resolutions which it would be the duty of the Commi►ttee
to consider were not, it must be remembered, to be a final

(lett-rmin oiun of the question ; they were merely resolu-

tirons pledging the House to that hue of conduct which it

seemed necessary for them to ad,,pt without lo•s of time.
The Hon. and Learned Gentleman said that a very short
time only would elapse before the Select Committee would
close its inquiries. That might be very true ; but, at the
same time, he thought that the House should not take
any step which night tend to hasten the decision of
that Committee. He th ught, indeed, that the Com-

mittee should moat carefully guard itself against the
charge of hiving prematurely cio*ed its inquiries before
all the evidence had been heard Considering the over-
w!lehning importance of the question, it was not fair to
place the Sele,:t Committee in a situation whieb hereafter

might induce persons to suppose that its drcision had been

hastened. This would undoubtedly be the case if the
Hon. 31ember's propthiriun were assented to. It had been
paid that 27 of the Mewhers who usually supported Go-

vernment had voted against Government on this occasion;
and that these Members iu zemral represented the feelings
of the Irish people. Ile would not deny that these Mem-
bers in general supported Government, but he could not

admit that they Vepresentrd the feelings of the whole
Irish people. They no doubt represented the feelings of
their constituents ; but it was too much to say that other
Members had not also their share in the representation of
the country. It was also said that Ireland was sin one

side, and all the Whigs and Tories of England on the
other. That also he &Med, fur it appeared from the divi-

sion that there were 314 English and Irish Members for
the motion, and not more than 31 again,t it. That cer-
tainly did not prove that all Ireland was spinet it. He