The Sun.
London, England, 1859-03-15 00:00:00

WARWICK RACES.

[BY ELICTRIC TELEGRAPH.]
(THIS DAY).
SWEEPSTAKES OF 20 SOVS.

Rattlebone .. 1
Tramp ,
Sims Reeves

Won easy.
THE TRIAL STAKES.

King at Arms
Sir Hercules
Fadladcen
Five ran. Won in a canter
STAND HANDICAP.

Cynthia
Odd Fellow
Seven ran.
WILLOUGHBY HANDICAP.

Greencastle....
Woodman.. ..
Mysterious Jack
Eight ran.
FARMERS' PLATE.

Voritumnus
Wroxton

2

Seven ran.

The winner objected to.

BETTING ON THE COURSE.
NORTHAMPTONSHIRE STAKES.
7to 1 agst Gladiolus (taken)
9to 1 agst Mutineer (taker)
11 to 1 agst Little Agnes (taken)
20 to 1 agst Rio (taken)
20 to 1 agst Precious Stone (taken)
CHESTER CUP.
1000 to 15 agst Argosy (taken)
DERBY.
28 to 1 agst Rainbow (taken)

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

HOUSE OF LORDS—(Tins EVENING).
The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat on the woolsack
at five o'clock.

STADE DUES,

The Earl of CLARENDON said yesterday he had given
notice to the Government that he intended to ask
fer some information with respect to the Stad e
Dues. The subject was one of considerable:interest
to the shipping interest, and he wished to know what course
they intended to pursue. A committee of the House of
Commons inquired into the subject, and the result had been
to ascertain that the Stade dues had greatly in-
creased during late years. In 1847 the sum of
£3 10s. was charged upon a hundred tons of cer-
tain goods, whilst in 185 a £4 Gs. 4d was levied upon the
same commodities. He therefore wished to know whether
the treaty was to be considered as expired after the 14th of
August ?:,He also wished to know whether there was any
intention to lay a copy of the correspondence that had taken
place on the table of their lordships' house f
The Earl of MALMESBURY said he should abstain
from giving any opinion on the subject of the treaty
with Hanover. Negotiations were still going on
between this Government and Hanover in re-
ference to the Stade Dues. Complaints had been
made that the dues levied were heavier than they ought to
be. The British Government had given 12 months' notice
of their intention to terminate the treaty under which they
were levied. If the negotiations failed, and the treaty ex-
pired, the correspondence relating to the subject would be
laid on the table.
INDICTABLE OFFENCES BILL.
On the motion of the LORD CHANCELLOR, this bill was
read a second time.

INCLOSURE BILL.
On the motion of the Earl of CARNAILVON, this bill was
read a second time.
MEDICAL ACT (1858) AMENDMENT BILL.
This bill was read a second time, after a few remarks
from Lord CRANWORTH.

PRIVATE BILLS.
Lord REDESDALE moved that every private bill in-
cluded in either of the two classelof private bills in standing
order No. 178, and which shall have been brought from the
luse of Commons, shall, after the first reading of any
such bill, be referred to the examiners of standing orders for
private bills, before whom the compliance with such stand-
ing orders, as shall not have been previously inquired into,
shall be proved. The examiner shall give at least two clear
days' notice of the day on which any such bills shall be exa-
mined ; and Every memorial complaining of non-compli-
ance with the standing orders in the ease of such bills
shall be deposited in the office of the Clerk of the Parlia-
ments, together with two copies thereof, before 12 o'clock
on the day preceding that appointed for the examination
of any such bill.—Agreed to.
Their lordships then adjourned.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.—(Tnis DAY.)
The SPEAKER took the chair shortly after 12 o'clock.

NEW MEMBER.
Mr. BLACKBURN took the oaths and his seat on his re-
election for Stirling.

PRIVATE BUSINESS.

The Findhorn Railway Bill was read a third time and
passed ; the Tweed Fisheries, &c., Bill went through com-
mittee and was ordered for third reading.
On the motion of Mr. FITZROY the following was
agreed to That whenever any private bill, which in
pursuance of any report from the chairman of ways and
means, under standing order 67, has originated in the House
of Lords, shall have been brought from the House of Lords,
such bill, after having been read a first time, shall be re-
ferred to the examiner of petitions for private bills, before
whom the compliance with such orders as shall not have
been previously inquired into shall be proved. That the
examiner shall give at least two clear days' notice in the
private bill office of the day on which the same will be
examined".
Mr. SALISBURY moved that the minutes of the evi-
dence taken before the committees on. the Liverpool Dock
Bill and the Birkenhead Docks Bill in session 1855, and the
Mersey Docks and Harbour Bill in session 1857, be referred
to the committee on the Mersoy Docks and Harbour Bill
—Agreed to.

PETITIONS.
Petitions were presented praying for the rejection of the
Government Reform Bill, and the abolition of church-rates.

CHURCH-RATES ABOLITION BILL.
Sir J. TRELAWNY moved the second reading of thi
bill.
Mr. GRIFFITH moved the following :—" That any
amendment of the law relating to church-rates which
should exempt persons contributing to the support of some
other place of worship than the parish church from the
payment of the rate, at the same time that the existing
machinery for the support of the fabric of the Church of
England should be continued in operation upon
the members of her own communion, is worthy
of the consideration of this house." He strongly
complained of the bill being brought before the con-
sideration of the house in a summary and =parliamen-
tary manner. He had no opportunity of expressing his
opinion on the principle of the bill if he did not avail him-
self of the present. The measure was of the most one-sided
character, and the way in which it was hurried on was cal-
culated to stifle discussion. There was a great degree of
intolerance prevalent amongst the dissenting community at
the present time, and he could not see why the compromise
proposed in 1858 should not be accepted in 1859. The posi-
tion held by Dissenters, who supported the measure on the
ground that they were opposed to all state churches, was, he
contended, most fallacious. It had been contended that all
endowments for charitatable or religious purposes were
wrong, but that abstract principle was falsified in prac-
tice, for he had:i?.ever heard an of hospital or a chapel having
refused a donation of £l,OOO. (Hear.) ~ He denied that we
lived in a state of abstract Christianity, and he maintained
that endowments were necessary to maintain religious prac-
tice in this country. In his observations he did not wish
to be understood as asserting the infallibility of the Church
of England, for, on the contrary, he believed there were
many points of doctrine which many churchmen would
desire to alter, but that did not at all effect the real ques-
tion at issue. Any person supporting the bill would be
virtually going to the extent of doing away with
the State Church altogether. (" No, no.")
To show tho feeling that existed on the part
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of Dissenters, he referred to the report of a meeting of
the Society for the Liberation of the Church from the State,
at which the hon. baronet (Sir J. Trelawny) presided.
Sir J. TRELAWNY denied that he was present at the
meeting alluded to.
Mr. QRIFFITI-I—A letter was read from the hon.
baronet, stating that he was prevented from presiding by
the state of his health; and he wished to know whether
the hon. baronet intended to preside at that meeting ? (Cries
of " Order.")
The SPEAKER decided that the hon. member was out
of order.
Mr. GRIFFITH—To show the feeling that actuated the
Dissenters in reference to this subject, he would quote from
a report of the proceedings at the meeting in question. The
hon. gentleman then read certain extracts from the docu-
ments mentioned, in which the speaker set forth that in
asking for the:abolition of church-rates they had an ulterior
object, and that object, no doubt;,%vas to do away with the
State Church altogether. (Cries of " Divide.") He hoped
hon. members would remember that it was a morning
sitting, especially devoted to the discussion of this question.
(Laughter.) The hon. member proceeded, amid consider-
able interruption, to reiterate the views he had previously
expressed. There was a bill coming from the other house
which was intended to hold forth the olive branch, and it
would be most illogical to agree to the second reading of the
present bill, which would preclude the consideration of any
other measure on the subject. He concluded by moving the
amendment.
Mr. S. ESTCOURT said that he hoped the hon. mem-
ber would not press Ma amendment, because it could produce
no restilt, and would not give a negatie to the bill of the
hon. baronet. He considered that the hon. bart. had acted
most creditably, and had endeavoured to accommodate all
parties. This subject had already been fully discussed,and
he hoped that the house would come to the issue of " aye
or nay" on the present occasion
Mr. .TEUART intended to oppose the second reading
of the bill, but he objected to the practice pursued by the
hon. member in laying before the house an abstract resolu-
tion as an amendment. He did not think that the consti-
tuents of hon. members agreed in the views of those who
were desirous of doing away with the church establishment,
which would be the result of the adoption of the present
bill.
Mr. GRIFFITH said that in conformity with the wishes
of the house he-would not press his amendment.
The amendment was then withdrawn, and the motion
was then put to the house.
Mr. A. B. HOPE moved that the bill be read a second
time that day six months. He denied most strongly that
the majority of dissenters were in favour of the abolition of
church-rates, and the movement to effect that object origi-
nated with the " Society for the Liberation of the Church
from all Government Control." The hon. member quoted
an article from the Nonconfot mist, to show that the attempt
to effect the abolition of church-rates was only a means t 6
•an end, namely, the destruction of the State Church. He