The Sun.
London, England, 1832-02-10 00:00:00

SPIRIT OF THE PUBLIC JOURNALS,

The divisiciO of last night was one of great importance, as it
was one of confidence in. his Majesty's Ministers. The motion,
though for papers respecting ships detained on suspicion of be-
longing to the expedition of Don Pedro, was ,virtually one of
censure on the Ministers, and the result is therefore of great
moment. Although the whole night was lost on Portuguese pi-
litics, the division of 274 with the Ministers to 239 against them
shows the confidence of the House with them. The Chancellor
of the Exchequer gave notice that the House should meet on
Saturday, at twelve o'clock, to go on with the Reform Bill, and
thus make up for the loss of this night.
ENGLAND. Ramsdell, J. C.—Yorkshire
Althorp, Vis.—Northamptonsh. Ricicford, W.—Aylesbury
Anson, Sir G.—Lichfield Rider, T.—Kent
Atherley, A.—Southampton Robarts, A. W.—Maidstone
Baillie, J' E.—Bristol Robinson, Sir G.—Northampton
Baring, Sir T. B.—Chipping- itooper,J 'B.—Huntingdonshire
Wycomb Russell, Lord J.—Devonshire
Baring, F. T.—Portsmouth Russell, Sir It. G.—Thirsk
Bayutun, S. A.—York Russell, Lieut.-Col.—Tavistock
Beaumont, T. W.—Northumb. Russell, W.—Durham County
Benett, J.—Wiltshire Sandon, Viscount—Liverpool
' Bentinck, Ld. G.—King's Lynn Sanford, E. A.—Somersetshire
Berkeley, Captain—Gloucester Schonswar, G._Null
Bernal, R.—Rochester Scott, Sir E. D.—Lichfield
Blake, Sir F.-Berwick Sebright, Sir J.--Hertfordshire
Blomire, W.—Cumberland Skipwith, Sir (I.—Warwicksh ,
Blount, E.—Steyning Smith, G. R.—Midhurst
Blunt, Sir R. C.—Lewes Smith, J. A.—Chichester
Bouverie, D. P.—New Sarum Smith, V.—Northampton
Bouverie, P. I'.—Downton Spencer, Hon. F.—Worcestersh,
Briscoe, J. I.—Surrey Stanhope, R. IL—Dover
Brougham, J.—Winchilsea Stanley, Lord—Lancashire
Brougham, W. —Southwark Stanley, Right Hon. E. G. S.._
Bit I kelev Sir It. W.—Beaumaris Windsor
Buller J. W.--Exeter Stanley, E. J.—Hindon
Buliver, E. L.—St. Ives Staunton, Sir G.—Heytesbury
Burton, Henry—Beverley Stephenson, H. F.—Westbury
Buxton, T. F.—Weymouth, Re. Stewart, P. M.—Lancaster
Byng, Sir John—Poole Strickland, G.—Yorkshire
Bing, Gea—Middlesex Strutt, E.—Derby
Byng, G. S.—Milbourne Port Stuart, Lord D. C.—Arundel
Calvert, N.—Hertfordshire Stuart, Lord P. J.—Cardiff
Campbell, I—Stall-brit Surrey, Earl of—Horsham
Carter, J. B.—Portsmouth Talbot, C. R.—Glamorganshire
Cavendish, Ld. G.—Derbyshire Tennyson, C.—Stamford
Cavendish, C. C.—Yarmouth, Thicknesse, R.—Wigan
Isle of Wight Thomson, ltt.Hon.C. P.—Dover
Chichester, J. P. B.—Barnstaple Thompson, P. B.—Wenlock
Clive, E. B.—Hereford l'omes, J.—Warwick
Cradock, S.—Camelford Torrens, R.—Ashburton
Crampton,P.C.—MilbournePort Townley, R. G.—Cambridgesh.
Creevey, f.—Downton 'l'ownshend, Lt. C.—Tamworth
Cripps, Joseph—Cirencester Tracy, Charles—Tewkesbury
Cunliffe, Offiey—Chester Troubridge, Sir E.T. —Sandwich
Curteis, H. B.—Sussex Tynte, C. K. K.—Bridgewater
Davies, Colonel—Worcester Tyrrell, Charles—Suffblk
Denison, W. J.—Surrey Venables, Ald.—London'
Denman' Sir 'F.—Nottingham Vernon, G. J.—Derbyshire
Dundas, Sir R. L.—Richmond Vernon, G. H.—East Retford
Dundas, J. C.—Richmond Villiers, 'l'. H.—Bletchingly
Dundas, T.—York Vincent, Sir F.—St. Alban's
Easthope, J.—Banbury Waithman, Ald.—London
Ebrington, Viso.—Devonshire Walrond, B.—Saltash
Ellice, E.—Coventry Warburton, H.—Bridport
Ellis, W.—Leicester Warre, J. A.—Hastings
Etwall, It. jun.—Andover Warrender, Sir G.—Honiton
Evans, Col. De Lacy—Rye Wason, R.—lpswich
Evans, W.—Leicester Waterpark, Lord—Knaresbro'
Evans, \V. B —Leominster Watson, Hon. R.—Canterbury
Ewart, \V.—Liverpool Webb, E.—Gloucester
Fazakerlev,y J. N.—Peterboro' Wellesley, W. 'l'. L.—Essex
Foley, T. H.—Worcestershire Western, C. C.—Essex
Folkes, Sir W.--Norfolk Weyland, Major R.—Oxfordsh.
Fordwich, Lord—Canterbury Whitmore, W.—Bridgenorth
Fox, Lieut.-Col.—Calne Wilbraham, G.—Cheshire
Gordon, it.—Cricklade Wilde, T.—Newark
Granam, Sir J. R. G.—Cumber'. Williams, Sir J. IL—Carmarth.
Grant, Rt. Hon. R.—Norwich Williams, J.—Winchilsea
Guise, Sir B. W.—Gloucestersh. Williams, W.—Monmouthshire
Handley, W. F.—Newark Williamson, Sir H —Durham
Harcourt,G. V. G.—Oxfordsh. Willoughby, Sir H.—Yarmouth,
Harvey, D. \V.—Colchester Isle of Wight
Hawkins, J. H.—Tovistock Wood, C.—Wareham
Heneage, G. F.—Lincoln Wood, J.—Preston
Heron, Sir R.—Peterborough Wood, Alderman—London
Heywood, B.—Lancashire Wrightson, W. B.—Hull
Hodges, 'l'. L.—Kent Wrottesley, Sir J.—Statfordsh.
Hodgson, J.—Newcastle-on-Ty.
Honie, Sir W.—Newtown SCOTLAND.
Hoskins, K.—Herefordshire Adam, C.—Kinross, Re.
DFeixrgotn,s,o,J,
A.—Vs Howard, Il.—Shoreham Agnew, Sir A.—,--it(-.4._lasligsors"a'rtß, eSc. c.
Howard, P. H.—Carlisle
Howick, Ld. _Northumberland
Gilion, W. D.—Selkirk, &c.
Hudson, T.___Evesharn
Hughes, Colonel—Grantham Grant, Rt. Hon. C.—lnverness-
Hume, J.—Middlesex shire
i ngihunt,ib) Henry
Sir
vv.____ _Prestoni,iiieo Haliburton, Hon.—Forlarshire
,
Jeffrey, Rt. Hon. F.—Perth, &c.
James, 'W.—Carlisle Inshire
Johnston„A..—Crail, Re.
Johnston, J.—Dunfermlin, &c.
Jerningham, R. V.—Pontefract
Johnstone, J. J. 11.—Dumfries
Johnstone, Sir J.V.—Yorkshire
Jones, J.—Carmarthen shire
Kemp, I'. R.—Lewes Loch
King, E. B.—Warwick Mackenzie, J. A. S.—Ross-shire
M'Lcod, It.—Sutherlandshire
Knight, H. G.—Malton
Knight, R.—Wallingford Ross, IL—Aberdeen, Re.
Labouthere, IL—Taunton Sinclair, G., jun.—Caichness-sh.
Langston, J. H —Oxford Stewart, Sir M. S.—Renfrewsh.
Cawley, F.—Warwickshire Stewart, E.—Wigton, &c.
Lee, J. L.—Wells Trail', G.—Orkneyshire
Lefevre, C. S.—Hampshire IRELAND.
Leigh, T. C.—Wallingford Acheson, Lord—Ca of Armagh
Lemon, Sir C.—Cornwall Belli s'., Earl of—Co. of Antrim
Lennox, Lord A.—Chichester Bodkin, J. J.—Galway
Lennox, Lord J. G.—Sussex Boyle, Hon. J.—Cork, City of
Lester, B. L.—Poole Brabazon, Lord—Co. Dublin
Littleton, E. J.—Staffordshire Browne, J.—Co. of Mayo
Lumley, J. S.—Nottinghamsh. Brownlow' C.—Co. of Armagh
Lushington, Dr.—llchester Carew, It. S.—Wexford County
Moberly, W. L.—Shaftesbury Chapman, M.—Westmeath Co.
Macaulay, T. B.—Ealne Chichester, Sir A.—Belfast
Macdonald, Sir J.—Hampshire Clifford, Sir A.—Bandon-bridge
:Mackintosh, Sir J.—Knaresbro' Copeland, Alderman—Coleraine
Mangles, J.—Guildford Doyle, Sir J. M.—Carlow Co.
Marjoribanks, S.—Hythe French, A.—Roscommon Co.
Marryatt, J.—Sandwich Grattan, H.—Meath Co.
Marshall, W.—Bevsrley Hill, Lord Arthur—Co. of Down
Mayhew, W.—Colchester Hill, L.rd G. A.—Carrickfergus
Milbank, M.—Camelford Howard, R.—Co. of Wicklow
Mildmay, P. St. J.—Winchester Jephson, C. D. O.—Mallow
Mills, J.—Rochester Killeen, Lord—Co. of Meath
Milton, Visc.—Northamptonsh. King, R.—County of Cork
Moreton, H.—Gloucestershire Knox, Col.—Dungannon
Newark, Lord—East Retford Lamb, G.—Dungarvon
Noel, Sir G.—Rutlandshire header, N. P.—Kilkenny
Norton, C. F.—Guildford Macnamara, W. N.—Clare Co.
Nowell, A.—Westmoreland Mullins, F. V.—Co. of Kerry
Nugent, Lord—Aylesbury O', onnell, D.—Co. of Kerry
Ord, W._alorpeth O'Connell, M. D.—Co, of Clare
Paget, Sir C.—Caernarvon O'Connor Don—Roscom. Co.
Paget, T.—Leicestershire O'Ferrall, It. M.—Co. of Kildare
Palmer, C. F.—Reading O'Neill, Hn. Gen.—Antrim Co.
Palmerston, Vis.—Bletchingley Ossory, Earl of—Kilkenny Co.
Pelham, C. A.—Lincolnshire Ponsonby, G.—Youghall
Pendarves, E. \V.—Cornwall Power, R.—Waterford County
Penleoze, J. S.--Southampton Rice, Rt. Hon. T. S.—Limerick
Pepys, C. C.—Malton Ruthven, E. S.—Downpatrick
Petit, L. H.—Ripon Shed, It. L.—Co. of Louth
l'etre, E.—llchester Walker, C. A.—Wexford
Phillips, Sir B. B.—Haverfordw. Wallace, T.—Drogheda
Phillips, C. M.—Leicestershire Westenra, H.—Monaghan Co.
Philips, G. It.—Steyn,ng White, —Co. of Dublin
Ponsonby, Hon. J. B.—Higham White, S.—Co. of Leitrim
Ferraro Wyse, T., jun.—Tipperary Co.
Poyntz, W. S.—Ashburton TELLF.R9.
Price, Sir R.—Herefordshire Duncannon,Vis.—Kilkenny Co,
Itainsbot tom, J.—Windsor
Morpeth, Viscount—Yorkshire,

We may count upon no lack of industry in the
Opposition, in discovering questions to occupy the
time of the House to the exclusion of the Reform
Bill. Last night was entirely engrossed by one of
those convenient questions, for purposes of delay,
into which all sorts of subjects may be introduced.
The question, if we were to judge of it, Mr. Cour-
renay's motion, might he supposed simple enough.
The motion was for '' Copies or extracts of des-
patches, if any, supplying information relative to
enlistment in any foreign forces, or aiding in the
equipment of an expedition proceeding to Por-
tugal; together with a statement of proceed:nes, if
arty, taken by Government therein." But this mo-
tion was only a peg on which to hang attempts to
prove the contradiction between the former prin.
ciples of Lord Grey and the Lord Chancellor, Lord
Goderich, &c., and the former principles and present
practice of Lord Palmerston with regard to Portu-
gal,—and that we were bound by our treaty with
Portugal to defend Don Miguel against the late hos-
tilities of the French Government. The British public
are tolerably sick of Portuguese affairs, and naturally
conceive that our own affairs are sufficient in all con-
science to occupy our Statesmen, without reference
to the eternal subject of Don Miguel and Don
Pedro, and the conduct of the Portuguese tribunals.
It does not appear that the Opposition took anything
by their motion. Lord Morpeth contrasted, in a
very happy manner, the blustering imbecility of Lord
Aberdeen, as exemplified in the cases of Marcos
Ascoli, M. Fragoas, Mrs. Story, &c., and the mis-
chievous effects of his system in the seizure of British
vessels at Terceira—the levy of fresh imposts on
British subjects, the allowing the Ninns to rot in the
Tagus, after it was determined that there was no
pretence for capturing her—the plundering of the
St. Helena by the Diana, arid the gross insult of the
Captain and crew. Since the present Government
came into office, the complaints of British subjects
had been promptly attended to, redress for injuries
to them was categorically demanded, arid acceded to
without delay by the Portuguese Government. The
consequence of the altered conduct was gratefully
felt by the British residents in Lisbon, from whom
Government received thanks for the paternal protec-
tion extended to them. It was truly remarked by
Sir George Murray, that a great part of the discussion
which had arisen out of the motion, was wide of the
matter. The question was, whether or not the
Foreign Enlistment Act had been violated, and
whether or not the Government had been a party to
the violation. Sir George jocularly observed that
he would not defend that Bill ; that, professionally
speaking, he should rather be inclined to wish that
no such B:11 existed, and that there was a free trade
in arms. It does seem to us little better than trifling,
to allow belligerents to raise loans to enable them to
carry on was,and yet to prohibit the free trade in arms.
He who can obtain money, can easily obtain men. Lord
Palmerston successfully showed that Government
had not made itself a parry to the violation of the
Foreign Enlistment Act. The speech of Mr. Stan-
ley-, in answer to Sir Reber Peel, was keen and
spirited. This unprofitable discussion was tenni-
'rated by a division of 274 to 139, giving Minister,
a majority of 135.—Morning Chronicle.
The Ministerial declarations in the House ( f
Lords on Tuesday night on the subject of Irish
ithea, as we anticipated, have been received by
the public with sentiments of astonishment and in-
dignation. Men of all parties anti religious opi-
nions (the Tories excepted) marvel at the blindness
of Lord Grey to the state of Ireland, and they
deplore his uncalled fur and impolitic expression
of determination " to improve the condition of
the clergy," and to enforce by new coerc ve laws
the payment of tithes by a Catholic laity for
the maintenance of a Protestant hierarchy. A
more monstrous proposition, more palpable ignorance
,if the real state of a suffering and oppressed nation,
Vever were displayed. Our ardent and sincere sup-
p qt of his Lordship's Administration in his bold and
statesmanlike conflict with the vile corporation of
boroughmongers has been gratefully given ; but
we will be influenced by no fears, even for the Re-
form B:11 it,elf, in condemning his gratuitous and un-
accountable declarations in favour of the corporation
of hest) Protestant Priests. On this most imminent
and critical question political par ties and the
Tory Journals appear to have changed places it:
r, lation to his Lordship's Cabinet. We should think
that the hysteric raptures of the Tory Press, and
the hollow flattery of Sir Robert Peel, will convince
Lord Grey that he has committed a capital error in
thus obtaining the approval of his enemies by
estranging the political affections of his best friends.
Sure we are, that throughout England his senti-
ments on the Irish Church will be received with
grief and dismay, and that their effect in Ireland will
be most disastrous. We are at a loss to account for
the Ministerial infatuation, except by attributing it
to the casual influence of an interview with Lord
Plunkett, who, fresh from Ireland, may have ino-
culated Lord Grey with representations coloured by
the notorious participation of the " Plunkett family"
itt the fat things of the Irish Church. We know,
however, that Government is in possession of honest
information, from a high Military Officer, that all
the disposeable troops of the Horse-Guards could
not enforce the future levy of tithes. The letter
also of Major Miller, the Military Superintendent of
Munster, to Mr. Stanley, with a return of outrages
connected with the tithe system in that province,
details the most heart-rending information of "an
organized opposition to the payment of tithes, which,
taking its rise in some of the counties of Leinster, has
extended itself into Munster, and is rapidly over-
spreading the country." His returns prove that
a general insurrection prevails in Tipperary,
Cork, Limerick, Waterford, arid the adjoining
counties. This ecclesiastical revolt exists equally
in districts where tithes are compounded for,
arid in many places alike among Protestants and Ca-
tholics. Major Miller's returns contain reports of
the state of each parish in his district. They de-
tail accounts of a series of threatening notices against
payment; of the non-payment of tithes for the past
year, and the abandonment of all efforts to enforce in,
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parishes; agents
tie diproctorssn
.a i huntedned,
a like w
and
dno olev s
purchasers,ou
under the threat and fear of death, of mortal conflicts
' %% ith valuers, proctors,'and clergymen,of bloody battles
with police and military. And Ireland is called by the
" Lord Bishops" a Christian country! The re-
turn respecting Inch, a '.parish in Tipperary, and
where the tithes are compounded, states that Inch
" has no Church, tithe not paid." Is it for such a
horrible and barbarous state of society that Lord
Grey claims for the Irish Church Establishment the
privilege of the laws of the Medes and Persians,
which alter not ? The first and only foundation of
a hierarchy—of any system of hired arid salaried
priesthood—is its original contrivance for the well
being of society. Ceseante ratione, cessat et ipsa
lex. The Irish Church has survived its utility ;he
death-warrant is signed. Vainly does Lord Grey
proclaim to the Irish " I will not remedy your com-
plaints till you cease to represent them." As well
might a physician refuse to prescribe for the first
symptoms of a vital disease till the patient was in
extreinis. We cannot suspect Lord Grey of the
Quixotic or Machiavellian design of conciliating his
enemies, or of sopping the Spiritual Peers by chi-
valrous declarations in favour of the Irish clergy.
Old birds are not caught with chaff, arid the slight
efficacy of such political bird-lime was signally dis-
played by the votes of the Bishops against the Re.
form Bill, notwithstanding the baits held out for
them by the Lord Chancellor in his memorable de-
claration of the inalienable rights of the parsons.
The Tory Opposition, with thuae adroit tactics pecu-
liar to their late smares for the Ministry, are sensibly
alive to the injury sustained by the Government in
these unlucky declarations. Sir R. Peel artfully, but
unsuccessfully, on Wednesday night, laid the trap for
Lord Althorp and Mr. Stanley, by endeavouring to de-
coy them in the Lower House, into a repetition of the
Premier's sentiments; the sagacity of those Mem-
bers of the Cabinet doub:less discerned and avoided
the pitfall, but the feelings of the Irish Members