The Sun.
London, England, 1832-02-04 00:00:00

BELGIUM.

Lord ALTHORP moved that the House should resolve
itself into a Committee of the whole House, to consider of
a supply to be granted to his Majesty.
Sir RICHARD V YVYAN felt it necessary to take
this opportunity of putting a question to the Noble Lord
opposite. The question he had first to propose was,
whether the Noble Lord had any hope that the Belgim
treaty would he ratified by the other three Powers? and,
secondly, whether it eas the intention of his Majesty's
Government, and the French Government (Belgium was
out of the question), to guarantee all the articles of the
treaty to the King of the Netherlands in the same way as
by the last treaty they were guaranteed to the King of
Belgium ? He had no doubt they would be gurante-d by
the King of the Netherlands, provided he executed them.
He believed it was unusual to give notice in the King's
speech of a treaty not yet recognised. The Hon. Baronet
read the passage in the King's speech relative to the treaty
with the King of the Netherlands, and concluded by re-
peating his questions.
Lord PALMERSTON, with regard to what the Hon.
Baronet had remarked upon as an informality—viz. the
presentation of a treaty which had not been signed or
ratified by all the Powers mentioned in it—observed that
the Hon. Baronet would not find such a course of
proceeding so much without precedent as he imagined.
Fur the truth of this he need only refer to the treaty of
Vienna in 1815, which, though it contained the name of
Spain, as one of the contracting patties, was not • ac.
ceded to by Spain for two years afterwards. He, how-
ever, did not mean to take his ground on precedents, be-
cause he was prepared to say that, if there had been no
precedent, it would, in this particular case, have been
fitting to have made a precedent ; for a treaty signed by
the Plenipotentiaries of the Kings of Europe, and ratified
by the King of England, became an engagement fully com-
plete and binding upon all parties. With respect to Bel-
gium, he apprehended that it was incumbent upon his
Majesty's advisers, to advise him to communicate to
Parliament at the earliest possible moment, as soon as
they were completed, and tt eaties contracted with foreign
Powers. It was not right, because the treaty had not been
signed by all parties, to advise a mutilation of it, or have
omitted matter apparent on the face of the record. It
was proper to accompany the communication of the
treaty with a notice that the Courts of Austria, Russia,
and Prussia had not yet ratified the acts of their
Plenipotentiaries, recorded by their signatures. The
Hon. Baronet asked whether he (Lord Palmerston) en-
tertained the hope that the ratification would arrive?
To that question he bad no hesitation in answering that
he did entertain the strongest hopes that this ratification
would art ive. The distance of the Courts would neces-
sarily occasion the ratification to arrive at different times,
and the nearer the Court the sooner he expected to re-
ceive the ratification. The Noble Lord also asked whether
it was the intention of his Majesty's Government to ad-
vise the King, in the event of a similar treaty being con-
cluded with the King of the Netherlands, to insert a gua-
rantee similar to that contained in this treaty ? As to that,
lie could assure the House that he only performed his duty
officially, and as a Member of the House, in saying that
he could not answer the question as to what might be the
future advice of Government as to a treaty not yet brought
up or settled.
Mr. ROBINSON asked whether the guarantee of the
five Powers, in the 35th article of the treaty could be
applied to the obligation in the 13th article, and 2d section,
for the punctual payment of the Belgic portion of the
debr, by half-yearly payments? He should feel it his duty
at some future time to move a resolution that this country
ought not to be bound by pecuniary obligations. Unless
he received an assurance from his Majesty's Government
t: at they would, at some future period, bring the ques-
tion of the Russian Dutch Loan before the House, he
never would consent to vote one shilling in a Committee
of Supply.

Lord PALMERSTON could not conceive it pos‘ible
that, under any construction of the treaty, this country
could, under any circumstances, be called upon to make
good the payment of the money.
Sir RICHARD VYVYAN said that, the treaty being
between six Powers, he always understood that time ought
to be given to ratify it. Would the Noble Lord advise the
King to grant the articles of this treaty to the King of
Holland ?

Mr. COURTENAY begged to call the attention of the
Rouse to the situation in which it was thus placed. From
the papers which had been produced it had a right to infer
that ti .e treaty had been ratified by the five Powers; hut
from the information which had been furnished it appeared
that it had been ratified by three Powers only. Now wJs
it possible that any motion on the subject could he properly
discussed until more definite informAtion had been furnished?

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Mr. A. BARING iiegged to ask the Noble Lord whether
it was his intention to call upon the House to off r any
opinion upon the ratification of the Powers ?
Lord PALMERSTON, in reply to the Right Hon.
Gentleman who spoke last, had only to state that it was
not at present his intention to propose any resolution to
the House upon the subject of the ratification to which be
had allud.d.
After a few words from Mr. ROBINSON, which were
inaudible,

Lord PALMERSTON said that there was a ma-
terial difference between a national guarantee and a na-
tional security. By the first, a nation engaged only to
use its best efforts to advance a particular object. By
the second it engaged positively to effect it. England,
in this instance, had given only a guarantee, and was not
bound as if she had given a positive surety.
Sir RICHARD VYVYAN asked whether any time
had been stated ?
Lord PALNIERSTON replied, that if the Right Hon.
Baronet's question r4erred to any act (lone by the Go
vernment, he should feel himself bound to answer it ; but
he did not conceive that he had any right to answer the
question just put.
The conversation then dropped.
The other orders of the day were disposed of and the
House adjourned at Two o'clock.

Sir FREDERICK LAMB left his residence in
Arlington-street yesterday morning fur Vienna, as British
Amhassador to the Austrian Court. It is said that his
Excellency is the bearer of important despatches, arising
from the Conference on the 31st ult., for which purpose
his Excellency's departure was postpo❑ed from Satur-
day last.
Mr. CHARLES JAMES MATHEWS, Only
son of the popular comedian, having recovered from the
very severe indisposition which hastened his return to Eng-
land from his professional studies abroad, has announced
himself as a candidate for the distriet-surveyorship of the
parishes of Bow and Bethnal-green.
We felt rather surprised that Mr. PERCEVA L
had an objection to the publication of his pious speech,
having imagined that he would be pleased in " having
his light so shine before men that they may see his gead
works."

SUDDEN DEATH OF LORD NORWOOD.-
On Monday afternoon, about three o'clock, Lord Non,
wool), second son of the late Lord Nortauxv, expired
quite suddenly at his lodgings, in FAHRELL'S hotel, Do-
minick-street, where he had resided for several years past.
His Lordship hail been remarkable fir the eccentricity of
his habits and the peculiarity of his costume, which gave
him the appearance of a mendicant rather than a. Peer.
He wa., however, a harmless and inoffensive person.
Lordship is succeeded in his title and estates by his only
brother, HEcroa Jolts, the present Earl of .NossumY•---
Dablin Morning Register.

The Marquis of LONDONDERRY arrived on
Friday last from town, to present addresses from Durham,
Belfast, and Stockton-upon-Tees, against the Reform Bill.
His Lordship did not reach the Palace until the KtN.ci had
at down to dinner (nearly half-past seven o'clock), but
his MAJESTY immediately admitted the Noble Marquis,
who had the honour oh dining at the Royal table. After
thinner, his MAJESTY, with the same considerate attention,
granted an audience to Lord LONDONDERRY, for the pur-
pose of presenting the address, the Noble Marquis being
anxious to leave Brighton early on the following morning.
To the Anti-Rearm Noblemen whom we have already
announced as having been honoured with audiences by
his MAJESTY, is to be added the Marquis CAMDEN. The
whole of these (and as our readers know, they are not few
in number), with the exception of Lord WHARNCLIFFE
have been suppressed by the Court Circular, as it is
called. The object of Lord CAMDEN'S journey Nuts to
present the Anti-Reform address from lieut.—Brighton
Gazette.
The detachment of the 87th Regiment sta-
tioned at St. Nicholas Island, was relieved on Tuesday last,
by an equal detachment, from the depot of the 22d Re-
giment, and the Garrison at Pendennis Castle, consisting
of a detachment of the 22d depot, will be relieved on
Friday by an equal detachment from, the depot of the 87th
Regiment, under the command of Captain Lord A aviu
CHiCHF,TER,