The Sun.
London, England, 1832-03-05 00:00:00

HOUSE 0-7' LORDS.

The Marquis of LANSDOWNE presented two petitictaa
from parishes in the county of Louth, for the abolition of
tithes in Ire'and. The Noble Marquis stated, that en
Thursday next, he would move certain resolutions cot:.
firmatory of the first report of the tithe committee. A
Noble Lord had a motion for that night,lbut he hoped that
did not press so much:but that it might be postponed till
the following evening.
Viscount STRANGFORD, under the circumstances
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Committee on the Agricultural Labourers Bill stated that
he did not think it necessary to trouble their Lordships
with a long statement in explanation .f the principles of
this Bill, as it had been long before their notice, and he
was not aware that there would be any opposition to it.
The Bill was really what the preamble stated it to be, an
Act for the better employment of the Agricultural poor.
Viscount MELBOURNE did not 'intend to offer any
opposition to the Bill. It certainly did interfere a little
with property, the power which it gave for inclosing
lands interfered with the rights of the lord of the Wan()
ite it at present stood, but as he saw the Noble and Learned
Lord opposite (Eldon), had given the Bill his attention,
he of course was satisfied.
The Bill then went through a Committee, when a few
verbal amendments were introduced. The Report was
ordered to be received to-morrow.
Lord LONDONDERRY said, in rising to put the
questions to the Noble Esrl (Grey) of which
he had given notice, hoped to be answered
with: the courtesy usually shown in that House. It had
long been the practice in that House for Noble Lords to
put questions to the Government upon subjects such as
those to which he was going to allude, and he be-
lieved no one had availed himself of it mote than
the Noble Earl, when he was upon that (the Opposition) side
of the House. He hoped that the feelings of ill temper which
were raised on a former evening were now laid aside, and
would not now be brought forward .again, but that
the Noble:Lord would answer him with that courtesy
which he usually showed in that House. The questions
that he was about to ask, related to heavy allegations
which were brought against the conduct of Lord
Ponsonby while in Belgium, as Minister for this
country—they were put forward by a General
in the Belgium service, were published in the
newspapers with the name of the party bringing forward
the charges attached—so that there was no conceal-
ment. Lord Ponsonby was charged, while in that
country, with inciting a large party to insurrection
in favour of the House of Nassau—he himself
being one of the principals, and when that conspiracy
was nearly brought to a conclusion, the Noble Lord was
homed with having abandoned that party, and de.
sod those Who, but for his suggestions, would net er
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;Minister of this country, and were calculated to injure
the interests of this country by giving a bad character to
its diplomacy He called upon the Noble Lord, if in the
House, to stand up in his place and denyithese allegations,
if possible : and if the Noble Lord was not present, he
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pursued, as he did not consider the Noble Marquis as
his judge.--(Hear, hear.) He stood before their Lordships
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He called on the Noble Marquis to bring forward
those documents on which he founded his assertions, and
he should have no difficulty in answering for the condicu
he had pursued. The statement alluded to by the Noble
Marquis was as foul a calumny as the mind of man mu./
Invent.—(Lead cheers.)

The Marquis of LONDONDERRY could assure tl e
Noble Lord that he felt extremely happy in having been
the means of calling on him in that House to proclaim
to the country and Belgium, that the scandalous al-
legations promulgated were totally without foundation.
He should sit down satisfied with having done a great
service to the character of the diplomacy of the country.
Earl GREY thought that any man could not have had
even a suspicion that the Noble Lord had been guilty of
the acts attributed to him; and he was sorry that the
Noble Marquis should have thought it necessary to
call for a formal contradiction of them in that House._
The accusations were devoid of teuth._(Loud Cheers. )
The Noble Lord had uniformly acted according to in-
structions, and in a manner to entitle himself to
the approbation of the Government and the country
at large. How the Noble Marquis could have
brought himself to believe that the Noble Lord could so
far degrade himself as to be a darty to an insurrection be
could not conceive, such a character was as remote from
the Noble Lord as thr suspicion of it, he (E trl Grey) should
have thought would have been from the mind of every
man who heard the statement. With respect to the state-
ment of the Noble Marquis of his declining to answer
questions, he bad only stated that he should do so, in order
to avoid giving opportunities of entering into discussions,
The Noble ;Marquis had charged hint with having taken ad-
vantage of putting questions fortbe purpose of raising discus-
sions, he could assure the Noble Marquis he had never done
so. If questions were put he should not hesitate to answer
but he hoped the irregular manner in which advantage was
taken of those questions for the purpose of making de-
clarations against the Government, would not be perse,
vered in. He was happy that his noble relative had
satisfied the Noble Marquis of the propriety
of his conduct, and he was sure that every person who
had heard the statement must feel equal pleasure.
The Archbishop of CANTERBURY moved the second
eeadidg of the Pluralities Bill.

Lord ELDON suggested the propriety of postponing
the second reading till Thursday next, in order to afford
the House a further opportunity of learning the merit. of
the Nil.

Lord KING would take that opportunity of eayibg a
few/words upon the subject. Though be felt confident that
the Bill did not go fa enough yet he should not
object to its being rl.ikit a second time in the hope that it
would receivz material alterations in the committee.
There welt persons in the country who called
themselves moderate Reformers, and when they pro.
postNi any measure of Reform it was sure to be the
minimum—so with the present Bill, which, is his opinion,
was one of the most unsatisfactory measures ever brought
brought forward in that House. Pluralities were
only to be justified where the livings were so small as not
to be sufficient for the support of the minister
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a more effective Bill should be introduced.
After a few observations from Lord Etuwnonouon,
the second reading of the Bill was Frestpened till Friday...-.
Adjourned.