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assistance to the lion. and Gallant Member for Lincoln in
carrying forward this Bill, if he would accept of his services.
Air. WARBURTON hoped the house would not then
debate the principle of the Pill which the Hon. and Gallant
Member was about to present in due form.
After a few words from Mr. Wing.Es and Col. SIBTOOAP,
Thf.` I-louse went into Committee.
On the pilipo:7ition for the insertion of some new clauses,
Mr. WAK LEY rose to caution the Hon. and Gallant
Member against introducing ally clauses which were calculated
to infringe upon the rights of the lower classes, because if he
was Pqre the lower classes would call for an Act to re-
strain the proceedings of the rich.—(Hear, bear.) There
was no more excuse for a wealthy fox-hunter than there was
for a cock-fighter or a bull-baiter.—.( Hear, from Col. Sibthorp.)
If the House would make the lower classes humane, let 650
see that they were well educated.—( Hear from Colonel Sib-
thorp.) Let them take the stamps off Newspapers, and alio°
the people the full participation of knowledge.—(Cheers and
lauOiter from the benches opposite Colonel Sibthorp.) •
Mr. WILKS hoped that lion. Members would not pre'
judge the Bill, but wait to sce it reprinted. He trusted it
would be found benevolent in principle towards the poor, and
teach them the value of humanity and moral education.
Colonel SIBTHORP reminded the Hon. Member for
Finsbury that the Ist of September was rapidly approaching.
—( Hear and laughter.) Shooting and hunting might be
considered cruel, but there were other sports that were n%-
ireraoly cruel.
Mr. HUME entered his protest against the notion, that
an Act of Parliament could make people humane.—( Hear.)
lie was certain nothing could produce that effect but what
his Hon. Friend had just been recommending, the education
of the people.—( Hear.)
Mr. WfLKS said there were two modes of instructing the
people, one by the formation of habits, and the other by the
means of the press. Much as he wished to sec the
press diffusing its knowledge without limitation amongst the
people, he was not the less anxious for some restraints being
put upon persons who were addicted to cruel practices.
Mr. HUME—Then the Hon. Member may as well bring
in a Bill, enacting that every man shall fear God and love his
neighbour.—( Hear, hear.)
The clauses were then ordered to be printed, and the 13.111
committed pro forma.
The Report was then brought up.
The House then resumed, and the Speaker took the chair'
PUBLIC INSTITUTIONS.
Mr. BUCKING HAM moved the second reading of the
Public Institutions Bill.
Mr. TOOKE objected to the Bill because it would impose
a taxation upon the people, and therefore he moved that the
Bill be read a second time six months hence.
Mr. WARBURTON said, that after this reception the
Hon. Mover ought to be allowed to proceed with the Hill'
Mr. H LIME thought his Hon. Friend (Mr. Tooke) in error•
The assessment was to be made at a public meeting °
the parties who were themselves to pay it—the parties Wet,
to be called for that purpose, and the assessment was to be
after due deliberation. He should have no objection if,'
bare majority was to decide. Too much had been alreneif
done to limit the innocent amusement of the people at large!
this Bill only said that they would allow the people if the/
chose to form places of amusements at their own expense'
He hoped that the Hon. Member would not divide the Het°
upon this motion, as he was sure there would be a great rov
jority against him.
Mr. WlLKS—Particularly as this Bill was brought
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under the recommendation of a Committee, who had green,
their most decided sanction.—(Hear.) These sorts of matt
tutions were very general in all European countries, and Were
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attended with the best results. This Bill did not take 514
money out of the public revenue—it left it to the discretion.'
a decided majority of the rate-payers whether they would forl
such institutior aor not. He would not object to making ,le
necessary that three-fourths of the rate-payers should acce°,
to the proposal—but this was a subject for the conre
deration of the Committee. He would only say that ts;,
principle of the Bill, as well as the next (Public Walks pil
met his decided concurrence, and he was sure it would lue.e
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with the enthusiastic approbation of the whole community-, ;
(Hear, hear.) Such institutions had a tendency to impla
the moral character of the people, and he hoped it would
meet with the support of the House, not only upon the sewn
reading, but in Committee.
ill Mr. FOSTER hoped they would proceed with the Bill' of
he conceived that it would not only promote the welfare
that class whose comfort and welfare ought to be the chief ohi
ject of their attention, but that it would increase the morni„iti
and prosperity of the country. A taste for refined pleassli.,
would have a tendency to draw the lower classes from haLT,
of profligacy, in consequence of which men became bad sub'
jects and citizens.
Mr. WYSE—The question was divided into two poillt
namely, whether these institutions ought to be encourages
and the means by which they were to be encouraged.
regard to the first, he did not believe that there could w"
in the House, after the long discussion upon education'
two different opinions. The only question then at
whether the means provided by this Bill were
most conformable to the principles of justice and the gu.:j„
being of the community. The Hon. Member (Mr. Tooke)n
jetted to compulsory assessment on the rate-payers. He "I
not know with what justice the word " compulsory" could „bee
applied to such an assessment. It was to be imposed by t,,P4
rate-payers themselves, whether by an absolute majority or "'
two-thirds, was matter for consideration in Committee•
Besides there was to be a private subscription, and thi)
assessment was only in aid of this subscription.—(Hen
He trusted the Hon. Member who had introduced the Pi,
would not only persist in its second reoding, but would earr
it through Committee, in order that it might be the law n 1
the land before the end of the session.
Mr. CA YL E Y.—Although he was an advocate for the
public having places of amusement, objected to the preses
Bill, which he thought never could pass in the present sessil
Mr. TOOKE would withdraw his opposition to the soon
reading, being fully persuaded that it could not pass the P
sent Session.
Mr. BROTHERTON supported the second reading. '
Sir CHARLES BURRELL thought that the suggestil4
of the Hon. Member for Boston, with respect to three-fell°.
of the rate-payers, was worthy the attention of the House.
ea
Mr. WAK LE Y thought three-fourths too high. He age f
with the principle of the Bill, as it would have the effect °
bringing the rich and poor more in contact.
After some observations from Capt. PECIIELL, the Bill vis°
read a second time, and ordered to be committed.
PUBLIC WALKS.
Mr. BUCKINGHAM moved the second reading of till°
Bill.
Mr. TOOKE said that lie had greater objections to ibis
Bill than to the last. lie objected to the tax that would [r
inflicted by it on boroughs. He trusted the Hon. Merauf„
for Sheffield would not think it necessary to persevere ''."(
moving the second reading of this Bill at the present time; 14
he did, he should consider it necessary to take the sense "
the House upon it.
Sir C. BURRELL said the regulations for preventting.
boxing or other improper conduct in the public walks ``le
quite necessary, to prevent ladies and respectable peop'
from absenting themselves.
Mr. POTTER thought the Bill of very great imrelti
ante. It was absolutely necessary that the people shoo 4
take exercise in the open air, and he trusted the Bill vow
be allowed to go into Committee.
Mr. WILKS called the attention of the House to the
crowded state of the Parks in London, and hoped other Para"
of the country would be allowed to obtain similar privileges'
Mr. THOMAS ATTWOOD supported the Bill.
Mr. WALKER gave notice that he would move in. C°111,;
rnittee a clause, to prevent its provisions being extended '-
Ireland.

Mr. WYSE gave notice, that he would move a clause in the
Irish Municipal Corporation Bill to extend its provisions to
Ireland.
Mr. TOOKE then withdrew his amendment; and the 13111
was read a second time.
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The Order of the Day for going into Committee on this
was then read, Mr. TOOKE in the Chair.
Mr. WARBURTON objected to the Bill being taken int°,
consideration, as it was not set down in the orders for no°-
.i
deration at twelve o'clock.

Captain PECHELL said it was an inadvertence.
Mr. WARBURTON persevered in his opposition, and
The House resumed.
The CHAIRMAN reported progress, and obtained lea
to sit again on Tuesday next.
The House then adjourned to five o'clock.

LIST OF THE MINORITY
Of 24 (Tellers included), who voted in favour of the Trinity 0

bour Bill.
13ish, T. Lucas, K
Bremerton, J. Dl.Canec, J.
Buckingham, J. S. M'Taggart, J.
Chalmer,, P. Afarsland, H.
Chisholin, A. I C'Connor Dun
Crawford, W. S. oit.,;:mnell, Mauric.l
Fitzsimon, C. 4 I
Oswal. Recto",--, C. Sinclair, ". ~

Stuart, Lord Ducilef
Tooke, W.
Wakley, Thorns,
Wallace, R.
Wilks, J.

TELLERS.
Flume, Joseph
Hay, A. L

COURT CL CULAR.

Their Majesties, accompanied by-
the Duchess of Snt
Weimar, arrived in town 20 minutes Oett.
re ten o'clock
night front Windsor Castle. ett,
The Duke of Cambridge, attended by Sit James Rep
arrived in town last Majesties
night from a visit to thcir ajestles
Windsor Castle. the
The Princess Victoria will 'be confirmed this de3" a- will
Chapel Royal, for which purpose her Royal Highness .11
come from Kensington Palace, at 12 o'clock, with her 10
mother, the Dnoruchess of Kent.
The Gover and Deputy Governor of the Bank of El;
land, Mr. Rothschild, and a number of gentlemen from e
city, had a conference yesterday with Viscount Melbeli/e
and the Chancellor of the Exchequer, at the Treasury, on
subject of the proposed new loan. •
The Spanish Minister and the United States v-‘l_ll' arg:
d'Affaires transacted business yesterday at the Foreign-,10,r,
Lord Nugent visited Lord Glenelg yesterday 'at the '-'°
nial-office.
Lord Dundas and Mr. Roebuck, M. P , had interviel°
P.
yesterday with Viscount Melbourne.
A deputation from the Trinity-house had an intervieo
yesterday with the Chancellor of the Exchequer in Down'
street.
Lord William Bentinck transacted business yesterday
the Treasury.

Yesterday the first battalion of Grenadier Guard"
under Colonel Lord Saltoun, marched out of Knightsbridge:
barracksi for Bristol, where they embark for Dublin, to relies'?
the third battalion of the same regiment.