The Sun.
London, England, 1835-09-03 00:00:00

HOUSE OF LORDS.

The ATTORNEY-GENERAL brought up the Report of
the Select Committee appointed to search the journals
of the House of Lords, to see what had become of
two Bills, the Execution of Wills Bill, and Administrators
Bill. He was sure that at all times he should be found exceed-
ingly unwilling to give offence to that I louse, much more at this
moment. He would therefore content himself with saying that
it appeared that these two Bills had been react a second time
on the 22d of June,,and referred to a Select Committee, and
no further trace of them could be found.—( A laugh.)
Dr. LUSHINGTON—The proceedings that had been
adopted elsewhere respecting those two measures required
that they should be brought under the notice of that
House, and he trusted that he would not be thought
impertinent, if he stated briefly the circumstances under which
they were introduced, and the manner in which they
had been treated elsewhere. They had been founded
on the Report of the Ecclesiastical Cummissioners,
of whom two were Lord Chief Justices—the late Chief
Justice, and the Chief Baron, and they had been produced
with their unanimous assent. The propositions also un-
derwent the discussion of the Commissioners of Real
Broperty, and received their approbation. The:Bills were then
introduced by his Hon. and Learned Friend the Attorney-
General, and debated in that House and referred to a Se-
lect Committee up stairs ; and as they were of great
importance to the welfare of the community; as tending to
remedy some of the greatest grievances the present state of the
law inflicted upon his Majesty's subjects, the Bills were passed
after great consideration. The Bills were then sent up to the
House of Lords in the course of June ; they were read a
second time, and committed to a Select Committee ; and
though this was now the third day of September, the
Journals of the Lords had been searched, and no fur-
ther notice was taken of measures which so deeply af-
fected the interests of the people. It was his duty, as
the Representative of a large portion of that people,
to see what had become of important legislative measures, in-
volving no political consideration—exciting no strife between
adverse parties, andi that House would not do its duty to the
public whom they represented if, upon similar conduct,
being adopted by the other House, they did not take all con-
stititutional means in their power to carry into effect those
measures which they deemed essential td the welfare of the
people.—(Loud cheers.) Had this been an isolated case,
he might be content to pass it by, after saying that it
might accidentally have escaped notice ; but it was only
one of a great series of measures which had been neglected or
rejected, and he thought that it was his duty to call the atten-
tion of the House to it.—( Loud cheers.)
Sir E. KNATC lIBUL L did not rise to underrate the
importance of these measures ; on the contrary,khe felt, and
admitted, that they were measures of great importance, and
deserved serious consideration. But he was not prepared to
admit that upon the footing of neglect of the interests of the
people these measures had not progressed in the other House to
the extent which the Hon. Member anticipated. That delay
was owing to the absence on the Circuit of certain Learned
Lords,whose legal experience was necessary to enable the House
of Lords to come to a proper consideration of those Bills.
If that was not sufficient, how, he would ask, did it happen
that a Noble Individual in the other House, who was so for-
ward to advocate the interests of the people, had not forced
forward these Bills, if he thought them necessary ? He be-
lieved it was generally understood that both those measures
were to be brought forward at an early period of the next
session.

The ATTORNEY-GENERAL did not make any accu-
sation upon the other House. The Bills had been referred
to a Select Committee, and be hoped that even during the
present Session the Report might be made, and the Bills
might be read a third time and passed.
Lord HO WICK moved the third reading of the Militia
Pay Bill.
Mr. HAVES wished to take that opportunity to draw the
attention of the House to the expressions of a Noble and
Learned Lord in the House of Lords, with respect to the
Imprisonment for Debt Bill. That Noble and Learned Lord
had stated that that Bill had been smuggled through the
House of Commons. Now he begged to say, that a more
unfounded statement had never been made.—Cries of " Order,
order ! " and " Chair, chair ! "
The SPEAKER trusted that the Hon. Member would
see the policy of not bringing forward subjects that would pro-
voke a debate in that House upon what had taken place in the
House of Lords.—( Cheers.)
Mr. HAWES said it was not his intention to provoke a
debate upon what had taken place in the other House ; his
only object was to contradict the statements that had been
made.—( Cheers.)
Sir E. KNACTHBULL said that that House could not
take cognizance of the statements made in another place.
Mr. HAWES, said that if such was the case, he
would bring forward the subject in another shape. Ile
had read a paragraph which appeared in the newspapers, with
respect to the Imprisonment for Debt Bill, which was totally
unfounded, and as his name was at the back of (bat Bill, he felt
it to be his duty to set the matter right.—( Cheers.) In that
paragraph it was stated that the Bill had been smug-
gled through the House of Commons. Now, he begged
to say, that the Bill had undergone considerable discussion
in that House, and it never could be stated with truth that

the Bill had been smuggled through that House.—( Cheers.)
When, however, it appeared those declarations came from a
a quarter to which he must not allude.—( Cries of hear, hear,
and Order, order.) It appeared to him that lion. Members
were very sensitive.
Colonel PEE CIVA L rose to order. If the Hon. Member
persevered, it would be his duty to stand up in his place, and
say that at the last stage the Bill was certainly smuggled
through that House.
The CHANCELLOR or the EXCHEQUER said, that
the subject before the House was the Miiitta Pay Bill, with
which the subject on which the Hon. Member was speaking
had nothing whatever to do.
Mr. HAWES was quite aware of that, but he thought that
by some means or other he might manage to state what he had
intended.—Cries of "Order, order")

The SPEAKER thought the Hon. Member ought not to
persevere.

• Mr. HAWES considered, if statements were made against
Hon. Members, they had a right to defend themselves, and to
fling the imputations back upon those who had made them.—
(Cheers, and cries of " Order, order.") Such statements
were likely to mislead, prececding from the quarter which
they did.—( Order, order.)
The SPEAKER thought the statements of the. lion.
Member ought not to be made.
Colonel PE RCEVAL rose amid cries of " Chair, chair."
The SPEAKER then put the question °The third read-
ing of the Militia Pay Bill, which was agreed to, ani the
Bill was read a third time, and passed.
APPROPRIATION BILL.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved
the third reading of this Bill.
Mr. HUME observed they were now about to pass the last
Bill of Supply, and he should feel it his duty to move that
the Bill be read a third time on.. Monday, in order that they
might have an opportunity of seeing what would be done in
another place with the Bill they were about to send up.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER rose to
object to the proposition, and should certainly ask the House
to read the Bill a second time. He would tell them the
reason why, and he would entreat the acquiescence of
the Honourable Member in it. Fb had laid down a
certain course of proceeding, and be should not depart from it
if he stood there alone. The Hon. Gentleman said he wished
to have an opportunity of discussing what might be the con-
dition in which the Bill to be sent up by them to the House
of Lords was returned. Ho (the -Chancellor of tho Exche-
quer) hoped it might not return again."—Hear, hear. )
He earnestly hoped that the Bill to which they had
given not only their most sedulous attention, but their
most conciliatory attention---(Cries of Hear, hear)—he hoped,
and beli.eved, and trusted that Bill not come back to them ; and
if the Hon. Gentleman was friendly to its previsions, by taking
be step which he had proposed, be would impress all parties