The Sun.
London, England, 1866-04-09 00:00:00

THE CATTLE PLAGUE.

In reply to Mr. REED,
Sir G. GREY said an order in Council had that day
been issued extending thetimeforthe compulsory slaughter
and compensation, which expired on the 16th of April,
until the 10th of May.

OYSTER FISHERIES.
Mr. HUNT called the attention of the house to the re-
commendations of the commission which had sat on the
oyster fisheries, and asked whether the Government in-
tended to bring in a general measure on the subject.
Mr. GIBSON said the subject was under the considera-
tion of the Government ; but. without pledging himself to
all the points recommended by the commissioners, he
might say the Government were favourable to the main
object. The difficulty to be surmounted related to the
enclosure of foreshores.
SUPPLY.
The house then went into committee of supply, Mr.
DODSON in the chair.
The first vote which was agreed to was £40,098 for the
maintenance and repair of the royal palaces.
complete the
On the motion that £85,437 be voted to
sum of £105,437 for public buildings,
ge entleman the
First
Mr.
Commi BENTssioner for worksINCK asked thewh right
was to hon.
b done at the
•
a t
National Gallery. to be
site intended .
• Mr. COWPER said the s
as that now occupied
the addition to the National Gallery, v
efirst as
is• pints of • the
vernment had to look
and the parochial schoo
two tlhe yields: cicluenPliesoCin.b'sy,
by the workhouse of St. Martin
on
the making the addition
existing
building, which was
ptol:entpsrcosfenvtieswtr—uCture, and th
position, was to be pulled
nextupon twheasmaltvtheer
vernment had not yet come to any
The 6'o
down. it would be desirable to do so or not,
ytocokunow what sort of a building
quite unworthy
could come to such a conclusion it
would be as they
erect in its place. The ere •
deMsion
wore going to erection of public
not al
buildings had hitherto. . ways been a success,
gs for a new building,
because before they
and, in the first instance, it had been proposed to
nthe expense of making
appoint sixarcx2hioteoctesaetho mthatkheedmmfwior
appropriatingtheir plans. It had since been found desirable to enlarge
the number of architects to 10, but he did not think
bait
nwoul4l
The bheouwseisewotuola fuhratvheeraninocprpeoarsteunitthyatof nfuumlly-
whether fhreoronif theitst 0
considering the whole of the plans before the final decision
was come to.

Mr. B. HOPE thought it would be well to make the
number of competing architects a round dozen, because
there were certainly more than 10 architects quite compe-
tent to produce something worth looking at.
Mr. BENTINOK hoped that w hatevur the Governmen
did they would do it thoroughly and well.

Mr LOCKE said as far as he understood it was pro-
posed to give the old building a new face, and then en-
large it by making the proposed additions.
Mr. COWPER said that that was not so. The Govern-
ment had come to no decision on the matter. As far as
whether it wohld be right to pull down the existing
building altogether. Speaking individually, he thought it
would be right—(hear, hear)—but the Government, col-
lectively, had come to no determination in the matter ;
before they did that he thought it was but right that the
house should see what was to be put up in the place of the
building which was to be pulled down. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. BENTLIWK made some further remarks relative to
the style of the building.
Mr. COWPER thought the money expended in making
additions to the old building would all be wasted. With
respect to the style of the building, he proposed that the
competing architects should enter on their tasks unfettered.
corne
He did not think it wise to purchase houses before the site
required. r
of They
p o win lni g
.3_ss t
ryearso e which
rl -1
tchheaysedoccuspitieedatwiahso
that time remained unoccupied, and the expense of that
purchase did not favour the buying of houses before thex.
were required.
After a few words from Mr. B. HOPE,
Sir G. BOWYER said it appeared to him that the Go-
vernment were going to proceed in a i
p.ecemeal moaner,
which. they had so many reasens to lament. They.
were
going to build up the back part of the building -.before
they had come to a determination as to when they in-
tended to put up the front. He thought the C.ir.gverunient
ought to produce one comprehensive plan '..11 place of
doing things bit by bit. With respect to the architects
he did not think it right to limit the number to
10, because they were about 1,000 architects, and by
lithiting the number to 10, they might first exclude the man
who might produce the best design. He should have
much preferred it if the competition had been made a,
thoroughly open one. He should like to know to what the
new building was to be devoted, whether it was to be for
pcitures already there, whether there was to be an exhi-
bition, or whether the new portrait gallery was to go there.
At all events, the house ought to know exactly what was
to be placed in the new building.
Mr. BENTINCK would like to know the tribunal which
was to decide on the designs.
Mr. COWPEB said that no steps would be taken with
respect to rebuilding any portion of the gallery until a
complete plan had been: submitted to the Government. The
tribunal would be constituted as fairly as possible, amongst
whom, of course, there would be some artists, who so
doubt could be found unbiassed by professional feeling.
There were many pictures at Hampton Court Palace, the
South Kensington Museum, and the British Museum,
which might be placed with advantage in a national gal-
lery. He did not think there would be anything to pre-
, vent the lighting of the new building with gas. With
respect to the stone of which the building was to be cow,-
posed, experiments were now going on on the exterie.e of
the building they were then assemble in which no doubt
would show the best means of preserving StOne. where
decay had set in.
The vote was ultimately agreed to.
[LEFT SITTING.]

Mr. Lowe and Mr. Gladstone.

°11: the 12th of Marchwingletteris addressed
asssledt Mr.totheTins:—
Sir,--On Gladstone
ntroduced into the House of Commons the Electorei
Franchise Bill. He tells us " that we are not at
all sufficiently aware of the importance of the issues
which it involves." He says that for years to come
the Liberal party will derive
of
colourpr,otgernedsesnwciietsF,A
and fortunes from the
regard to this important measure. I agree witch
him, and, if he will allow me to fill up the °wain e
he has traced, I believe the colour will be rea, the
fortunes calamitous, and the tendencies downward.
He gave no reason for this measure on its intro..
duction. He says he was " dry and dull," and it
is not for me to contradict him. " His study
was to abstain from any topic which could, by any
possibility, give a particle of offence. He was de-
termined that if angry controversy was to arise it
should not be in consequence of what was done by
him." In the course of the debate which followed I
gave the reasons which induced me to disapprove the
measure. Mr. Gladstone had the right of reply, but,
in pursuance, I suppose, of his inoffensive policy, he
declined to exercise it. Whatever were the fallacies,
whatever the offences against truth or good taste
which my speech contained, he did not see fit to
expose them. I have no right to complain of his
moderation. But this I think I have a right to say,

The fl

that from the Leader of the House of Commons an
answer to my speech should have been given in the
House of Commons, or not at all. it is not to be
expected that on a momentous occasion like that
of the coming debate on the Franchise Bill
the house will listen patiently to an answer
made by a private member like myself to
strictures and censures delivered elsewhere.
I therefore request permission to defend myself
in your columns against a personal attack which
there was every opportunity for making in my pre-
sence, but which the leader of the House of Com-
mons has thought it more becoming to make before
a party exclusively of his own friends in my abs ante.
Instead of quoting what I did say in the house, where
he would have been liable to correction had he Luis-
quo tedit, he avoids committing himself to my words,
but says I was understood in the House of Commons
to have delivered this opinion, " that the labouring
classes were totally unfit to be entrusted to
any greater extent than at present with the electoral
franchise. Those of the labouring classes who now
possess the franchise were conspicuous for four re-
markable virtues—ignorance, drunkenness, venality,
and violence." Had Mr. Gladstone quoted these
words in my presence I should have contradicted
?no in the hearing of an audience which could have
judged by its own recollection whether I was right
or wrong. Had he quoted the report of my speech,
it would itself have contradicted his assertion. But
he does neither, but shelters himself behind the
vague assertion that I was " understood" to say
such things, and then proceeds to argue as if I had
actually said them.
He had before him my answer to the protest of
some of my constituents, in which I pointed out
that I was speaking of abuses notoriously existing
in many constituencies, and not levelling an indis-
crimate censure at a whole class. Yet he puts this
aside, and insists upon it that I was speaking of
" the labouring classes who now possess the fran-
chise, " that is, of all those who who now possess it.
Into the arguments Mr. Gladstone draws from
my answer to some of my constituents I shall not
enter. My answer was, at any rate, intelligible ;
to me at least his arguments are not. Possibly
there are some errors in the report. But I cannot

help regretting that Mr. Gladstone did not adhere
to his resolution against branding his fellow-coun-
trymen who do not support his bill with contumely
or approval, or that, if that resolution was to be
flung to the winds, that he did not choose for the
place of sacrifice the floor of the House of Commons
instead of the Philharmonic Hall at Liverpool. It
may be quite right to tell me that "I have a kind of
mania on this subject." It may be quite right to
express an opinion approving the protest of some
of my constituents, including, I presume, its tone
and manner ; it may be right to imply that I " utter

sentiments more violent than the Opposition are
ready to give utterance to ;" it may be right to say
that Mr. Gladstone " honoured me for my
courage till he had read my letter." Had
these or - similar things been said in the
course of debate, I, or some one else on my be-
half, might have replied to them, and I am too well
used to Parliamentary conflicts to cavil at everyliard
word that may be uttered. But these attacks on
second hand '
character, conduct, and abilities of a member of par_
ment for words spoken in Parliament ought not to
be made by the leader of the house elsewhere than
i i
lei ;tt
so retail
in Parliament itself. It is unworthy of the posi-
tion onftatlier2.2
by that portion of the press which
advocates hia
Gafiatedrsti°t
views,
especially when supported by
of omitting what I did say, the ignoble arts
I did not. —I am, sir, . . or interpolating wtat
) 5 our obedient servant,
ROBERT LOWE.

84, Lowndes-square, April 6.

Liverpool Cotton Market. —TLis Day.

The market opens quiet. Prime are lower than
last week. Sales will probably foot up about 6,000
bales.

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of Messrs. Cope, Horsley, and T. Faed, who, together with
Mr. J. F. Lewis, form the Council of the year. The Pre-
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