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say that the proper field for that inquiry was amongst the peo- 1
plc complaining, and in that country to which the remedy was
to be applied. Would not more Commissioners than one be
necessary to inquire into the different matters requiring expla-
nation—into matters of such extreme variety, inot only politi-
cal, but legal, that he thought it was no disparagement to say
that no one individual could grapple with them all in their
whole extent ? It was not by merely receiving-information at
this distance that a satisfactory conclusion could hope to be
obtained ; but if it were really wished to ascertain what were
the practical grievances complained of, and the practical reme-
dies to be applied, the best and the only mode to be adopted
was to meet the-steady and sober-minded in their own country,
and from them to learn the real state of the question. He had
stated, he thought; sufficient to satisfy their Lordships.
The Earl of ABERDEEN withdrew his motion, adding
that though he could not 'blame his Majesty's Government for
tile course they had pursued on the present occasion, yet, if by
their ulterior proceedings they render it necessary, he certainly
should consider it his duty to move for a copy of the instruc-
t tions given to the Commissioners appointed by his Majesty's
late Government.
Several private Bills were forwarded a stage, and their
Lordships then adjourned at half-past seven o'clock to Monday
L next.

HOUSE OF COMMONS, JUNB 12.
The SPEAKER took the Chair at Ten Minutes before Three
o'clock.
Captain ALSAGER presented a petition from an indivi-
dual against the London and Greenwich Railway.
BELFAST AND CAVE-HILL RAILWAY.
Mr. SHARMAN CRAWFORD moved the second read-

ing of this Bill.
Mr. EMMERS ON TENNANT after presenting several
petitions against the Bill, one from a gentleman named
Dunbar, who complained that his property would be seriously
injured by it, begged to ask the Hon. Member for Dundalk
why it was that the first Bill obtained by this Company had
not been proceeded upon ? After some observations against
the measure, the Hon. Member moved as an amendment that
the Bill be read a second time that day six months.
Lord CASTLEREAGH presented a petition from the
landholders of Down, in favour of the Bill
Mr. SHARMAN CRAWFORD, as this opposition to
the Bill had been started, would take the liberty of en-
::.ring into some details. One of the reasons why the
rail-,7v had not been sooner proceeded with, was that the
not been valued. The jury could not agree
as
hal!
as to the value o the land, and the time for valuation then had
expired. With rega,7l to the capital of the Company, it had
the necessity ourchasin
been originally fixed at 7,0 XOl.,
but
value fixed u fpopn the land,
ground for anew harbour, and the'
caital. An application had
had obliged them to increase their
been made.io.the Government for assistance, and an engineer,
that
engineer. Bald, Eiq., had been sent down by them, anal he would read,
to the House two or three extracts from the report of
engineer. The Hon. Member then read some extracts, by
which it appeared that Mr. Bald had highly approved of
the railway ; that he estimated the cost at 12,000/. ; and
that it would be most beneficial to the town of Belfast,
and greatly improve and increase the agricultural re-
sources of that district. A slight deviation from the ori-
ginal plan was also suggested, and then the engineer re-
commended the Government should advance a sum of 10,000/.
to assist the undertaking. These were the grounds on which
the present Act had been applied for to enlarge and extend
the powers of the Company, and after this explanation he
trusted that no further opposition would be given to the
second reading.—( Hear.)
Sir R. BATE 6 ON, as a person not individually connected
with the Bill, begged to say a few words. He agreed in what
had fallen from the Hon. Member for Belfast, that if this Bill
was a public benefit it should receive the supportcof the
country ; but feeling that it was not a public benefit, but a
job, he would oppose it, and second the amendment of the
Hon. Member for Belfast. He believed that the Bill was
for the advantage of private individuals, and not for that of
the public. He believed it was a job, and he would oppose
it as such by every means in his power.
Mr. O'CONNELL thought it singular that the Hon.
Member for Londonderry should state that he agreed with
the Hon. Member for Belfast : the latter had said that the
measure would be beneficial to the public, and the former
had characterised it as a job. (Hear, hear, hear, and
a laugh.) This was rather a singular mode of agreeing.
( A laugh.) He hoped the House would allow the Bill to
be read a second time, and if the proposition of the Hon.
Member for Belfast, that the land should be valued, was not
previously settled, that Honourable Member could oppose
it on its third reading. A sum of 4,000/. had been
already expended on the purchase of ground, and all
this would be lost if the Bill was now thrown out.
It was only fair to let this Bill be read a second time, and if
the interests of every body were not attended to in Com-
mittee, no one would oppose the third reading of the Bill
more strongly than he would. By going into Com-
mittee, the interests of every person would be consulted,
and it would be impossible to turn the matter into a job. Un-
der these circumstances, the House, understanding the case, he
was sure they would not prevent this Bill from going into
Committee.
Mr. RUTHVEN, as one of the original. _subscribers, pro.
tested against this Bill being considered a job.
Mr. PRYME objected to the Bill going into Committee.
Before the parties to this Bill called for an extension of time,
they ought to consider the terms of other private Bills to sa-
tisfy private claims. The Hon. and Learned Member for
Dublin was mistaken in saying that there were only two peti-
tions against this Bill. Five petitions had been presented
against it, and he held in his hand another petition from Bel-
fast to the same effect.
Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, and the House
divided, when there appeared—
For the second reading ...
Against it
111ajority for the second reading
STANDING ORDERS.
Sir M. S. STUART rose to move, pursuant to an instruc-
tion from the Committee on the Glasgow Water Works Bill,
that he be permitted to make a special Report to the House
that the Standing Orders had not been complied with. On
the Hon. Baronet bringing up the special Report,
Mr. AGLIONBY rose to bring the subject of the same
Standing Orders under the special consideration of the House.
The question was one which he was afraid he would feel great
difficulty in bringing distinctly under the consideration of the
House. He had no wish to oppose the Bill, but the decisions of
private Committees were so frequently inconsistent with the
standing orders, that he considered it to be his duty to bring the
matter before the House, in order that some uniform practice
should be established, which would be a very great conve-
nience to both agents and parties. The Hon. Gentleman
then went into the history of the Bill before the Committee,
and stated in conclusion, that his object was that the Report
might not be received, so as to prevent the Bill being dis-
cussed upon its merits. For that purpose he appealed to the
f.hair what course he ought to pursue.
Sir GEORGE CLERK could not understand upon what
ground thd Committee had come to the resolution that the
Standi
for the Order; had not been complied with. He thought the
best course
use would be to send back the Report
to the Committee, with ins:!actions to proceed with the Bill.
ittee on the Bill had acted
Mr. WILK S thought the Coni74
very properly, and he should support ir Report.
The SPEAKER decided that the petition.'were at liberty
to go on with the Bill, but as the Standing Orderi ruled that
existing rates could not be increased or altered, that con:.ltiCsn
must be imperative upon them.
Col. PE RC E VAL gave notice of a motion that in the case
of the Ennis election, liberty be given to Mr. Gurney the
short hand writer and his clerk, and to Mr. Ley the Clerk to
the House, to give evidence before any Grand Jury, Magis-
trate, or Committee of inquiry, in relation to any proceedings
in this case.
The motion was understood to be withdrawn, afterwards, on
the ground of informality.
THE PENSION LIST.
Mr. L. BULWER took the opportunity of asking the
Hon. Member of Southwark, whether it was his intention to
move a Call of the House for Tuesday next, the day appointed
for bringing in a motion of which he bad given notice.
Mr. HARV E Y replied that it was his intention certainly to
bring forward his motion, but when he should do so would
depend more upon others than himself. The Honourable
Member for Weymouth had a motion for the same day,
which would take precedence, and would occupy some
considerable time ; so that if his motion were allowed to
stand for that day, it would not possibly come on ; and it would
be a great inconvenience to the House to persist in a Call,
when it was not likely the motion could be brought forward.
But whenever that motion was submitted, he did intend to
have a Call of the House ; and as there was a doubt as to the
time which would be occupied by the motion of the Hon.
Member for Weymouth, he intended to defer his own motion
until Tuesday, the 14th of July.
Mr. FOWELL BUXTON begged to assure the Hon.
Member and the House, that he was determined to persevere
in his motion.

THE SLAVE TRADE.
The HON. MEMBER, seeing the Right Hon. Gentleman
the Under Secretary for the Colonies in his place, would
beg to ask him if any measures had been taken by his Ma-
jesty's Government to effect the release of slaves illegally
introduced into the Mauritius, or if any steps had been taken
to provide compensation► for the owners?
Sir GEORGE GREY said nothing had been done since
1820 upon this subject. The greatest difficulty existed in
establishing the fact of the illegal introduction of persons,
and in establishing their identity. Under the existing law
for the emancipation of slaves, those brought illegally into the
Mauritius, and the other French colonies, became subject to
an apprenticeship of a very short period, which was little re-
moved from absolute freedom. There was a power given to
the assistant Commissioners under the Act to examine wit-
nesses, and award compensation.
Mr. FOWELL BUXTON said the answer of the Right
Hon. Gentleman was so unsatisfactory to him that he begged
to give notice that an Hon. and Learned Friend of his would
brim the subject before the House.
Sir G. GREY said a few words in explanation.
Mr. O'CONNELL thought it was only fair that the al-
leged owners should receive compensation.
BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE.

Mr. WAKLE Y complained of the great inconvenience of
taking the ballot for the entry of names of Members as early
as twelve o'clock. It was not , only an inconvenience,
but a great injustice to Members who resided at a dis-
tance. He (Mr. W.) lived two miles off, and had to come
that distance every day for perhaps 2 or 3 weeks, for the chance
of getting his name entered, while Members who lived con-
tiguous to the House could come in at any moment. If the
House were of opinion that it would be more convenient to take
the ballot a quarter of an hour previous to the Speaker taking
the Chair, he would submit a motion to that effect.—( Hear,