The Sun.
London, England, 1835-08-06 00:00:00

' deserving of the sum he got, and he has never heard any com-
plaint of its being too large. They had also a Grammar School
in the patronage of the aldermen. Witness occasionally at-
tended the meetings of the Commissioners, and their conduct
did not appear to him to be unfair in keeping the room
quiet. They did all they could, but they did not always suc-
ceed. The officers of the Corporation had orders to afford
all the assistance and information in their power. After the
conclusion of the proceedings there were two Protests deli-
vered to the Commissioners. He did not think that a Council
elected under the Bill, and governing under its provisions,
would give much satisfaction : there would then be more con-
troversy and less satisfaction. Some of the Cl3arities are given
in terms to be enjoyed by Church of England men exclusively.
By the Earl of R ADNO R.—He did consider the Rev.
Mr. Patteson a very meritorious man, deserving the 200/. His
predecessor was a very inefficient man, and did not give sa-
tisfaction, but he could not say what was the reason why his
application for an advance was refused.
By the Earl of RADNOR—The Corporation were trus-
tees of a fund called the widow's fund, which, had been lost
many years.
John Farmer examined by Sir C. WETHERELL - Has
been an Alderman of Norwich for upwards of half a century
has heard the whole of the examination of Alderman
Booth, and entirely concurs in his statements and opinions
respecting the general administration of the affairs of the Cor-
poration—never knew of any malversation of justice, whether
the mayor was of one party or the other.
Mr. Preston examined--Is Recorder of Norwich, and has
been so for between four and five years. Never exercised a
capital jurisdiction, though the Judges had decided that the
office possesses it. The commission of crime has very much
diminished within these seven or eight years. There were
from 70 to 80 prisoners tried in the course of a year. The
appointment of Recorder is by charter. He is named by the
whole assembled Corporation. Was satisfied that the adminis-
tration of justice had given satisfaction. Was very anxious on this
point, as otherwise he would not go on in the discharge ofhis
duty—the Court was constantly attended by a crowd of per-
sons—reporters attended and took down all that was said, and
published it so that he dared not, and he believed no one in
his situation would dare, to swerve either to the right or to the
left. I believe the Petty Juries of all towns are more intelli-
gent than those of counties. I have found it so at Norwich,
Lynn, and Great Yarmouth. lam resident at Norwich. I
can safely and conscientiously say, that, during my own
time, or that of my predecessor, Mr. Alderson, who was
of different politics to mine, I never recollect a verdict given
under political influence. I was present at the examination by
the Commissioners. I waited on them as soon as they arrived,
and attended the whole examination. I recollect the conduct
of Mr. Alderman Ruckham being called in question, and, in
consequence of what was said, I stept into his house and found
he was in London, which I told the Commissioners, and re-
quested that they would adjourn it until Mr. Rackham could
attend to vindicate his character, but they would not. I
remonstrated, and Mr. Long told me ho would not suffer such
a discussion, and I came away. Mr. Alderman Newton vin-
dicated the character of a deceased Alderman which had been
attacked. The case of Alderman Turner was once brought
before me. He was a schoolmaster and a man of property.
He was indicted for perjury, but I refused to try it. No, it
was not perjury, it was bribery at a local election. Four
other persons had been indicted for bribery, and the Grand
Jury having discovered that Mr. Turner was mixed up
with the case, I adjourned the Grand Jury, and directed the
clerk to frame a bill against Mr. Turner, although he was a
particular friend of mine. He claimed as an alder-
man to be tried at once, and I being new in office
objected to the case. A great deal is said in the Report
about the unfairness and partiality of the Magistrates on that
occasion, not one word of which is true. No one attempted
to influence me at all.

By Lord BROUGHAM—After I had expressed an opi-
nion that I would not allow any of the magistrates to interfere
with me on the legal points, I believe they would not interfere.
If I had not expressed my determination not to allow them to
interfere, it is most likely they would have tried him
at once. I believe there is no jurisdiction in the Corpora-
tion, in point of fact, to try offences immediately. I think it
should be ousting the jurisdiction of the Court of King's
Bench. The person accused was not Alderman Turner at
the time.

By the Duke of CUMBERLAND--Mr. Turner was not
in the Corporation at the time at all.
By the Duke of RIC II NI ON D—l still practice as a barrister
at the Norfolk assizes. My salary is 621. IN. per annum in
lieu of a field belonging to the Corporation. The City Grand
Juries are not better than the County Grand Juries. It is
desirable on the pz inciple of justice that a man should be tried
by those who have no knowledge of the circumstances of his
case.

The Earl of SHAFTESBURY observed that it was now
four o'clock, and, according to the arrangements made by their
Lordships, he thought they should now adjourn.
Sir C. WETHEIZELL said they had one witness whose evi-
dence would occupy but a very short time.
The question that theirlLordships ;do adjourn the further
hearing of evidence to 6 o'clock was then put and agreed to.
REMOVAL OF ASSIZES BILL.
The Earl of WICKLOW presented a petition from
the Grand Jury of the county of Waterford, against
a Bill which had yesterday passed their Lordships for
the removal of Assizes in Ireland. Ho was not present when
the Bill had passed yesterday, or he should have taken that
opportunity of pointing out the mischievous tendency of the
measure.