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GLASS DUTIES

The Houk then went into Committee on the Glass Duties
Bill.

In answer to a quest* from Lord SANDON,
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said the
reduction would commence on the 10th of October. He did
not intend to make any allowance for the stock in hand,
but to prevent any inconvenience to the trade, he would
allow glass manufactured after the present time to be
bonded, and taken out after the 10th of October, on payment
of tbe reduced duty.
The several clauses, as amended, were then agreed to, and
the Bill was ordered to be read a third time on Wednesday.
STAMPS AND ASSESSED TAXES.

Mr. BERNAL brought up the Report of the Committee on
this Bill.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER would
take that opportunity of stating, that he regretted not having
been in his place when a discussion on this subject had
taken place. He had directed his attention to the suggestion
of the Hon. Member for Durham relative to taking
off the duty upon policies of insurance upon small
sums. The measure would, he thought, be most beneficial
to the lower classes as giving a premium upon habits of indus-
try, good conduct, and thriftiness, and could be done without,
he believed, much loss to the revenue.—( Hear.) He proposed,
to reduce the duty upon Policies of Insurance upon Lives for
501. to.2s. 6d. per cent. ; upon all sums over 501., and less
than 1001., 3s. ; and. from 1001. to 5001., fis.—( Hear.)
After a few words from Mr. PRYME and Lord SANDON, the
Report was brought up.
The Slave Trade (Denmark) and Slave Trade (Sardinia)
Bill were severally read a second time.
REGISTRATION OF VOTES (IRELAND).
'The House then went into Committee on the Registration
of Votes in Ireland Bill.

Clauses up to 39 were agreed to.
On that clause being proposed, an HoN. MEMBER movod that
'it be omitted altogether, as the counties were heavily enough
Mixed already, and could not bear to have the expenses of the
sheriff laid c.n them. .

Lord MORPETH moved an amendment to the clause,
providing that the candidates, where there were three or more,
should repay the Sheriff to the amount of 301.
Mr. S. CR A WFORD was most decidedly opposed to the
alteration, on the principle, that as the candidate was to serve
the public, the public ought to pay his expenses.
Lord MORPETH said the sum was very small; it could in
no case amount to 301.
Mr. HUME did not care for the amount, it was to the
principle he was opposed—till these expenses, which were
inflicted upon the candidate were very much reduced there
would be bribery and corruption. He would have polling
places so situated that no man should have ten miles to walk.
Dr. BALDWIN protested against the amendment upon
the principle that the Members of that House should be sent
in free of expence to do the work of the public.
After a few words from Lord MoarE Ili and Mr.
O'LOUGHLEN, which were inaudible,
Mr. R. PLUNKETT made some observations about the
expenses of elections, which were not audible in the gallery.
Mr. HUME—In my opinion every Member coming to this
House should be paid—( Hear, and great laughter)—and I
am sure that for every pound the town paid for au honest man,
the country would save thousands—( Cheers)—that which leads
to good government is true economy. When a man's get-
ting into Parliament is such an object that certain means
are adopted, it can only end in getting all one's servants and
connections to hang on the public purse.—( Hear, hear.)
Mr. R. PLUNKETT—I am afraid that the Horr. Mem-
ber mistakes me for one who is no relative of mine, though
of the same name.—(Tremendous cheering from the Tories.)
Mr. HUME—The Hon. Member has referred to a very
good example. I was one of those who reprobated, as an
abominable result of holding office, to find nine members of
one family in possession of between 20,0001. and 30,000/. a-
y ear..---( Hear.)
Mr. O'CONNELL—Thereare other proofs to show that
the two families are not related.—( Great cheering from the
Ministerial benches.)
The, clause was then agreed to, as were the following to
44 inclusive.

Oa Clause 45 being read, which enacted that persons should
be polled as they came up to the poll,
Mr. JACKSON said that this clause would cut off the
right possessed by the freemen of Cork, to have their roll
called over before any other voter could poll.
Mr, O'LOUGHLEN said that the right to which the Hon.
and Learned Member adverted, had been made the means of
great abuse. The roll had been called over in some instances
for four or five days together.
Mr. O'CONNELL was in favour of the clause.
Dr. BALDWIN also supported the clause.
Mr. JACKSON could not answer all the charges brought
against the individual alluded to, but he believed that he was
incapable of any impropriety of conduct.
After a few words from Mr. O'L 0 UGHL EN,
Mr. O'CALLAGHAN said the Hon. Member opposite
had only himself to blame for having introduced the name of
the Learned Assessor.
' On Clause 46 having been read,
Lord CLEMENTS would suggest an amendment to pre-
vent the constable or collector from receiving a larger salary

than he did duty for-
.
s Mr. O'LOUGHLEN had no objection to the amendment,
but he thought the Grand Jury had sufficient control over the
salaries of these persons.
Col. PE RCE VAL said the Clerks of the Peace would
have additional duties imposed on them by the Bill, and yet no
provision had been made fur them.
Mr. F. FRENCH thought the Clerks of the Peace were
already sufficiently well paid.
The clause as amended was then agreed to.
Clause 48, after a short discussion and some verbal amend-
ments, was also agreed to.
On Clause 49 being proposed,
Lord CLEMENTS moved an amendment, for the purpose
of defining what a " beneficial interest" was under the Act.
Sir W. FOLLETT was of opinion that if the Bill was
adopted it would almost produce universal suffrage in Ireland.
Lord MORPETH agreed to the amendment, and, after a
short conversation, it was agreed to.
Lord CLEMENTS moved that every appeal under this Bill
shall be to the Judge of Assize, without impannelling any Jury
whatever.

Lord MORPETH concurred in the amendment.
The Committee divided, when there appeared—
• For the amendment
Against it 26
Majority —42

On entering the 'gallery we found Mr. O'LOUGHLEN
moving some additional amendments, which were agreed to.
Mr. FRENCH withdrew the first amendment, of which he

had given notice ; but he felt himself bound to press the
following amendment :—" And whereas it is fit and expedient
that convenient places should be appointed in each county for
taking the poll, so that if possible no person shall have more
than 15 miles to travel from the property in respect of which he
shall claim to vote. Be it enacted, that it shall and may be law-
ful for the Lord-Lieutenant, or,other Chief Governor or Go-
vernors of Ireland for the time being, on or before the first day
of January next, after the passing of this Act, to divide such
county or counties, or divisions of counties, as he shall think fit,
into convenient districts for polling, not exceeding in number
15 • and in each district shall be appointed a convenient place for
taking the poll at all elections of a Knight or Knights of the
Shire to serve in any future Parliament ; and such districts and
places, when so settled and appointed, shall be notified in the
Dublin Gazette, and to the Clerk of the Peace in each such
county, who shall forthwith give notice of such places of polling
by public advertisement in some paper published or circulated in
suet county." In alluding to some Returns of the number of
persons polling at the different elections, the Hon. Member
referred to the " Parliamentary Guide," lately published by
Mr. Moase, which he characterised as a work which gave more
general and useful information on the subject than any other
of a similar nature.
Lord MORPETH did not oppose the Hon. Gentleman's
amendment on principle, but he was not prepared in the pre-
sent instance to accede to it.
Mr. O'L OUGHL E N opposed the amendment.
Mr. D. BROWNE would vote for the amendment though
he apprehended the majority would be against him.
Mr. O'CONNE LL opposed the amendment, as calculated
to increase expense and difficulties.
Mr. WYSE said as the principle had been tried in England
and succeeded, he did not see why it should not be tried in
Ireland.

The Committee then divided on Mr. French's clause. The
numbers were—
For. the clause 29
Against it • 6O
Majority
The clause was accordingly lost.
Mr. O'CONNE LL moved as ,an amendment that in case
any peron shall have been admitted a freeman since the 31st
of March, 1831, in right of birth, servitude, or marriage, in
any city, town, or borough in Ireland, or shall be so hereafter
admitted, every such person shall be deemed and taken to be
an honorary freemasi, according to the 2d and 3 William IV.,
C. 88, unless such right shall have been allowed within 20
years next before the said 31st of March 1831, and unless such
right is of such a nature as to be capable of being enforced by
mandamus or otherwise in a Court of law, and not liable to
be finally and totally rejected by the corporate body, or any
branch, number, or part of such corporate body.
The clause was agreed to.
The House resumed, and the Report was brought up and or.
dered to be received to-morrow.
The Instruments of Sasine Bill was recommitted, the Re.
poiltordered to be received to. morrow.

Mr. J. M. O'CONNELL, on the motion that the debate
on tho Kerry election petition be resumed,, rose to complain

that the petition was a series of either misrepresentations or
falsehoods. He denied altogether that the Knight of Kerry
had lbst the election through intimidation, either by himself,
his political friends, or the priests in that county. That pla-
cards had been exhibited of a party nature was natural at a
disputed election in Ireland, but that there had been any at-
tempt to intimidate by affixing the emblem of a death's head
and cross bones over the *doors of those who chose to vote for

hisopponent was most untrue. As to the circumstances stated
in the petition as having taken place upon the Sunday pre-
vious to the election in the chapel of Listowel, it was proved
to be untrue even by the circumstance of its having never been
mentioned as a charge against him or his friends during the
heat of the election upon the hustings by any one opposed to
him. The placard called " The Patriot's Curse," said to
have been exhibited there, was a shameless forgery, and,
strange to say, appeared in the London paper the Times first.
Its authors R ere known, and the delusion attempted to be
practised was dishonest and unworthy. Upon the whole be
assured the House the petition was replete with a variety of
misrepresentations and unfounded assertions.
Mr. MUL L INS believed that in this case the votes given
to the liberal candidates had been given conscientiously, and
without any improper influence either through the priests or
men of property in that county.
Mr. O'CONNELL was sorry his Hon. Friend should have
so marke3ly taken notice of this extraordinary piece of auda-
city called a petition. The petition of the Knight of Kerry
as to the election was abandoned as soon as the Knight of
Kerry found it came to the ballot. The allegations in this
petition were most of them disgraceful falsehoods.
Mr. ORD, as Chairman of the Committee upon Intimida-
tion, observed that this petition was not brought to the no-
tice of that Committee by the Right Hon. the Knight of
Kerry, but a stipendiary Magistrate. As respected the pla-
card called " The Patriot's Curse," it could form no ground
for the presumption of actual intimidation at, the election, in
the opinion of that Committee, because it was found out that
it was purely an invention of the imagination, and had been
palmed successfully upon the Times newspaper, in which it
first appeared.
After an observation from Mr. O'CONNELL, which was
not heard in the gallery,
Colonel PE RCE VAL justified the course which had been
followed, or rather forced upon his Right Hon. Friend by the
treatment he had received at this election.

Mr. O'CONNELL congratulated the Hon. 'Member on the
speech which he bad made, but that Hdn. Member ought to
know, that if a Priest had acted in the way that had been de-
scribed, he would have been deprived of his rights as a clergy-
man. The fact was that there were not sufficient grounds for
the petition, and the parties in consequence had shrunk from
the proof.
After a few words from Mr. PRAM), Mr. O'CONNELL, and
Dr. Bowntsc, the petition was laid on the table.

MARRIAGE AMENDMENT BILL.
On the Report being brought up,
Sir W. FOLLETT had no intention to support a mere
Bill of indemnity ; it might be very well to prohibit marriages
within certain degrees of affinity, but it was a different matter
to declare null marriage already contracted from which issue
had proceeded. It would be most unwise to leave the law upon
such a subject unsettled, and therefore he should propose a
clause that would give full validity to marriages within the
prohibited degrees which might have been already entered
into—but prohibiting such for the futnre.—( Hear.) It would,
of course, be competent to any Member, to move any excep-
tion he might think proper, to the degrees of affinity or con-
sanguinity.
Mr. WARBURTON hoped that an alteration would be
made in the first proviso.
Mr. POULTER hopefi that the second clause would be
struck out.

, Dr. LUS HING TON expressed a wish that all those parts
of the Bill which had for their object to render all marriages
contracted within certain degrees of consanguinity good and
valid would be retained. He was satisfied that if the Bill were
passed it would prevent a recurrence of painful events which
had so often disturbed families, but if a clause were inserted,
leaving future marriages voidable, then the evil would be in-
creased tenfold. He cordially agreed in the first part of the
Bill.

Mr. DIVETT understood that the object of the Bill was
to relieve certain parties from difficulties under which they
laboured from thepresent state of the law, and on that account
he supported it.
Dr. BO WRING supported the Bill.

Mr. WARBURTON said that when they were amending
a law of that description, which affected so many families,
they ought to make it as comprehensive as possible. He must,
'therefore, vote for the Bill.
Mr. PEASE was as much against marriages of the
description alluded to as any person could be, but when they
had been once solemnised, he did not think it just that they
should be set aside by an Act of Parliament.
Mr. LAW agreed with his Hon. and Learned Friend as
to the amendments proposed in the Committee. He thought
it would be advantageous to both parties that a veil should be
thrown over the past, and that they should also pass a law which
should decide the question for the future.
Mr. EWA RT deprecated this Bill strongly, yet he thought
it would do a pat tial good for the past.
Mr. POULTER had only acted upon public motives, and
thought he would not divide the House.
After an observation from Mr. C. A. WALKER the
House divided, when the numbers were—
Ayes
75

Noes
Majority
The Report was then brought up and agreed to
LECTURES PUBLICATION BILL.

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The Order of the Day having been moved for the second
reading of this Bill by the LORD ADVOCATE,
Mr. WA KLE Y contended that no publicity ought to be given
to lectures when they were to be considered as private lectures ;
not so, however, with public lectures. The Earl of Eldon had
held that the publication of private lectures should be punish-
able as a breach of private contract; and that the party giving
such lectures should be entitled to the copyright thereof. Was
it to be borne that when a man delivered lectures which might
be injurious to the public that they should be published ? He
applied this observation to the case of the private lecturer. But
the public lecturer received great fees, and therefore, he said,
a man who was a public functionary must pay the tax of the
public expositor. Unless various clauses of the Bill should be
materially altered, he should feel himself under the necessity of
attempting to throw it out. If it were the determination of
the Learned Lord Advocate to carry on the Bill, he hoped he
would make it worthy of the Legislature.

The LORD ADVOCATE did not think it was necessary
to explain further the nature of the Bill. Its principle was
that a man had as much right to a copyright to his lectures as
in the case of any kind of publication, and that any person
coming to such lectures had no right to pirate them.
Mr. WARBURTON thought there might be no abstract
right in these cases ; but he conceived that a person who at-
tended lectures had no right to take lectures delivered pri-
vately to him.
After a few words from the SOLICITOR-GENERAL
the Bill was ordered to be committed to-morrow.

The second reading of Mr. Buckingham's Compensation
Bill having been moved,
Mr. VERNON SMITH begged to present a petition
from the East India Company, protesting against this Bill,
and 'praying that they might be heard by Counsel against the
Bill, if not on its general principles:on the details of them.
After a few words from Mr. Tax and Mr. PAYNE, the
second reading of the Bill was postponed until to-morrow
(this day), when Counsel were ordered to• be heard at the
bar on behalf of the East India Company.
Lord HO WICK moved the appointment of a Select Com-
mittee to prepare the militia estimates, which, after a few
words from Col. SIBTHORP and Lord HowlcK, was agreed to.
The other Orders of the Day were then disposed of, and the
House adjourned at 20 minutes past 12 o'clock.

HOUSE OF LORDS, AUGUST 24.

The VICE-CHANCELLOR took his seat on the Woolsack at
five o'clock.
The Paymaster-General's Bill was read a third time and
passed.
The Highways Bill passed through Committee.
MESSAGE FROM THE COMMONS.

Mr. TOOKE and other Members of the House of Commons,
brought up two private Bills.
Lord MINTO presented a petition from Jedborough in
favour of the Corporation Reform Bill.
Lord HATHERTON presented a petition from the lav
impropriator of tithes of a parish in the diocese of Armagh,
complaining of the resistance made to the payment of tithes,
and the murder and robbery of the tithe collector.
Lord ABERDEEN presented petitions from Montreal and
other places against any alteration in the constitution of the
Legislative Assembly of Lower Canada.
The Marquis of WESTMEATH presented a petition
from Sir Harcourt Lees, praying that Orange Lodges may
not be put down, while jesuitical societies were allowed to go
on, subverting the Protestant Church and religion.
The Earl of WICKLOW presented a petition from. Bath,
numerously signed, in favour of the Great Western Rail-way
Bill.

The Duke of RICHMOND moved the third reading o.
the High-ways Bill.—Agreed to and passed.

MESSAGE FROM THE COMMONS.

Mr. P. STEWART and others from the Commons brought
up the Fines and Recoveries Bill, and the Spirit Licenses
Bill.

PRISON DISCIPLINE.

The Duke of RICHMOND moved that the amendments
of the Commons to the Prison Discipline Bill be agreed to.
The Marquis of SALISBURY wished to introduce an
amendment to exempt the City of London from the opera-
tion of this Act.
The Duke of RICHMOND had had some communication
with Lord John Russell, the result of which was that his
Lordship was disposed to agree to the amendment,
but he had told Lord John Russell what he had also
said in the House, that the gaols of the City of
London were a disgrace to it.----(Hear, hear, hear.) He
admitted that Bridewell was well managed, but he did not
think the City gaols ought to be exempted. flowerer, if his
Noble Friend could make any arrangement with the Govern-
ment, lie had nothing to do with it.
Lord MELBOURNE did not see why he shoul, interfere
to exclude Bridewell from the operation of the Bill.
The motion was then agreed to.
Lord FARNHAM presented two petitions from Ireland
against the Irish Tonnage Duties Bill.
Lord BROUGHAM presented a petition from the Belfast
Steam-packet Company to the same effect ; and two like peti-
tions from other parties interested. The Noble Lord said if
the pia were passed, it would double the present rate of ducs.