The Sun.
London, England, 1859-04-16 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

HOUSE OF LORDS-(YESTERDAY).

The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat on the woolsack
at five o'clock.

INDIA PRIZE PROPERTY.
The Earl of ELLENBOROTJGH gave notice that on
Monday next he should ask the noble earl at the head of the
Government whether any measures had yet been taken
for placing the army in India in possession of
prize property captured during the campaign, and whether
the Government were willing to give directions for accurate
plans to be prepared of the forts taken during the war.

THIRD READINGS.

Works and Galleries of Art ; Kingstown
The following bills were severally read a third time :
Glasgow Public
Water ; York Improvement ; Bombay, Baroda, and Central
India Railway ; and Ipswich Fisheries.
RED SEA AND INDIAN TELEGRAPH COMPANY.
On the motion that this bill be read a second time,
Lorde STANLEY of ALDERLEY complained of the
agreement entered into by the Treasury with this
company. By that agreement four and a-half per
cent. was guaranteed the company on a capital of £300,000.
He thought the Government ought to have undertaken the
construction of the telegraph ; it could have borrowed money
at 31 per cent., instead o guaranteeing a public company
41 per cent., and, in the event of a great success, reaping
the whole of the benefit. Some of the provisions of the
contract he thought monstrous, d it not only
gave the company the power of laying down a telegraph
between Suez and Kurrachee, but in anyplace that it might
think desirable. He was of opinion that Parliament ought
not to give its sanction to the arrangement.
The Earl of DERBY thought that the bill would re=
ceive as much attention as a private bill as it would if in-
troduced as a public one. The noble lord opposite laboured
under a mistake with respect to the amount upon which 4l per cent. had been given. It was true £BOO,OOO was the
capital of the company, but it was not upon that sum
that the interest was guaranteed but upon the sum actually
spent in laying down the telegraph. In the event of the
telegraph not being completed the contract would fall to
the ground.
The Earl of ELLENBOROUGH thought the Govern-
ment had taken the proper course. He thought it unfor-
tunate to overestimate the importance of the pro-
posed communication with India in a political and military point of view. He had himself
on a former occasion advocated the establishment
of such a telegraph, and it would in the present instance be
absolutely impossible for the company to advance a single
step in the work without the co-operation and support of
the Government.
Lord WODEHOUSE agreed in many of the observa
tions of-the noble lord below him (Lord Stanley of Alde-
r-
ley). It would be impossible to attach too much importance
to the establishment of a rapid communication with India,
but in doing so it was necessary to have a company in a
sound financial position. If this bill was rejected it would
no doubt cause great delay ; but he thought notwithstand-
in; that the Government ought to reconsider their deter-
ramation.
The Earl of DONOUGHMORE hoped the house would
assent to the third reading of the bill. At the end of the
present month telegraphic communication would be esta-
blished between Suez and Aden.
Lord STANLEY of Alderley said he did not wish to op-
pose the bill, but he hoped further progress would be stopped
until Parliament had had an opportunity of considering the
agreement.
• The Earl of DERBY said he had no objection, only great
delay would be the result of postponing the bill for the pre-
sent session, and allowing it to be taken up with other pri-
vate bills next session.
The third reading of the bill was accordingly postponed.
EDUCATION IN INDIA.
The Duke of ARGYLL called the attention of their lord-
ships to a letter from the Earl of Ellenborough, President
of the Board of Control, to the chairman and deputy-chair-
man of the East India Company, dated April 28,
1858, and moved that a humble address be pre-
sented to her Majesty for a copy of the regulations
and conditions under which the grants in aid of schools are
afforded by the Government of India ,• and also for a re-
turn of the number of schools which have received such
grants, distinguishing those which are under native man-
agement and those which are conducted by Europeans, and
of the amount of such grants in each case.
The Earl of ELLENBOROUGH said that the noble
duke seemed to have a desire to get up a discussion on the
subject of education in India, but he (the Earl of Ellen-
borough) would not assist the noble duke in this object, and
if he had no other reason he would find one in the fact
that the noble earl at the head of the Government had pro-
beforetal,Y the last despatch of the Indian Government
their lordships shortly. The noble duke had read
an extract from the letter of a native of India on this sub-
ject. He (the Earl of Ellenborough) would also read a let-
ter addressed to him from a native gentleman which related
to
stated this question of education in India. This gentleman
that he had lately been reading Sir J. Lawrence's
ing Ind
and Colonel Edwards's letters onthe subject of Christianis-
e. There were, he said, many persons in India who
entertained similar views with Colonel Edwards on this
weresubctto be , but he was satisfied that if Colonel Edwards's views
e carried out it would have the effect of covering
the fields of India with blood. The noble earl, after refer-
riz..llf to Earl Granville's letter on the subject of education
lij,;li.n, and having reminded their lordships that this was
+.7' 'me ad
of that noble lord, begged to call thisttnu of the house to her Majesty's proclamation on sub-
ject. T
this proclamation it was enforced that the Govern-
ment of India would carefully abstain from any interference
with the religion of the natives. (Hear, hear.) This pro-
elanlatinn Was issued before he (the Earl of Ellenborough)
came into office. The noble duke had referred to his (the
Earl of Ellenborough's) despatch on the subject under con-
sideration. Well, he would read a letter which had been
addreue, . d to him from a gentleman in Berar, in which he
nnrePlained of the interference of the missionaries with the
religion of the natives. Now, what was the language of the
proclamation? Why, that the Government would adhere
with Pod faith to non-interference with the religion of the
natives.
obj ectp.a ..
He (the Earl of Ellenborough), however, never
,a 21.; —, KP grants to schools ; but he did object to a syste-
-n mterterence with the religion of the natives of India.
And let it be recollected that it was in Berar that they found
the greatest dculty in putting down the rebellion. He
woela
-- say that it was his deliberate opinion, that unless
they
~,, gave confidence to the natives of India that their reli-
-15411 Would not be interfered with, and that, in fact, the
people would be protected in the exercise of their religion,
all their efforts to govern India would be futile. (Hear.)
The Duke of MARLBOROUGH thanked the noble duke
for having brought this subject forward. His complaint
against the noble earl (the Earl of Ellenborough) was not
that he did not assist the spread of Christianity in India,
4 thae,„,„ he,__proinied to proscribe the Christian religion in
i t ---""1. The view propounded by the noble earl was
-InPossible in fact. He did not see any danger in the pre-
Letsent sys....,tem. Although it was the duty of Government to
Rl.°lill a wise and conciliatory spirit, yet it was also its duty
nnte and
civilisation.
t• On
he Earl of DERBY didl noti •• tend to lengthen the pre-
noblesent conversation,
duke app but the statementm he had made to the
eared to have been misunderstood, not only
by the noble earl, but b noble duke himself. The de-
it!iipatch which had beensent out was merely to intimate that
a new exPenditure on account of education should be in-
his9urr ed without the noble relative (Lord S
sanction of the home authority. When
now held he felt
therecise tanley) succeeded to the
whatwase
exerernely desirous to ascertain
fore_ . state of education in India • and he had there-
desired that
ject shoald en
allii_the materials which' existed on the sub-
9ther;?bjectabhe—ha7tied• His noble relative, amongst the
'n 'view, wished to know what had
been he effect of the regulations of 1854. He wished to
know whether the miasi
impression aeon marY schools had produced any
interfere with ongst the natives that there was a wish to
lam their
effect
any Practical effect ' °I;
and whether they had thus
formation which had , in producing the mutiny ?
_Tahveeiryn-
vague and
wisatisf been collected proved to be of
only brought into actory descriptiod. The system was
years wbach actual operation in 1855 ; and of the three
Occo,si . , had since elapsed, two of them had been
P eU Ry a moat` dee
course been differ nt i gerous revolt. Its operation .
had of
for, as his noble friendeti different portions of the country ;
means identical in • had truly observed, India was by no
had worked w ll • ?NerY part. In some districts the system
others it had been a total failure. In
order to show the un
g.ord Derby) would rselisfactorY character of the returns, he
in the Government sei ere
to the statistics of the attendance
stated to be 7,000 ; in% I The attendance in Bengal was
Mme'
1,600 ;
while
in e The
provinces, 6,000 ; in
discrepancy was expiaineponibay it was 23,846. This great
school which received any by the fact that in Bombay every
while
vernment school. A••••a*n aid.
at all was set down as a Go-
the missionary :ideas in Bengal the attendance in
l'ias,set down at 9,803 against 68,003
in all other schools i
tively 28,500 arid s,oAftrras, the numbers were respec-
the missionary schools excited t being that in some districts
tives, whereas in other place theeat alarm among the na-
tion at all. The papers for
whie
y gave rise to rro apprehen-
would embody the whole of
the •h the noble duke had moved
education which was to be foinurorrnation on the subject of
office. The object of the despatchthe archives of the India-
out was merely to cause the fici which had just been sent
be supplied, to prevent any inc,e'le3or of that information to
fact any alteration in the existii—'
s f expenditure, and in
tion of the Home Gov eutg yrstem without the sanc-
conjunction with the rePort of the 1 that despatch, taken in
Lower Provinces of Bengal (which nePettorGeneral of the
lished), would place before the ho would shortly be üb-
instruction in India, and would facilitatethe present state of
on the subject. (Hear.) future discussions
The motion was thenwitladrawn, and
in the form suggested by the Earl of D an amended return,
erby, was agreed
PUBLIC OFFICES EXTENSIO - to.
This bill passed through committee. EXTENSION BI
SUPERANNUATION BILL.
This bill was read a third time and_paased
COMBINATION OF WORKMEN* BILL.
'this bill was read a third time and passed.
MUNICIPAL ELECTIONS BILL.
The report of amendments to this bill was agreed t
the bill was ordered to be read a third time •o, and
(Saturday.) this day
THE NAVAL MEDICAL SUPPLEMENTAL FUN
SOCIETY ANNUITIES, Sx , ACT CONTINUANCE
BILL,
CONSOLIDATED This bill was a Second time.
FUND ( A.PP I' OPRIATION BILL.
This bill w )
as read a aecond •
EXCHE time.
. . QUER BILLS (£l3 927 400) BILL.
This bill was read a „co
~ e., f
Their lordships ther. 4' '
n time.
yenned.

HOUSE OF COMMONS
The SPEAKER took the Chair .—OCESTERDAY.)
PRIVATE atßustfetvt'r o'clock.
The amendments to the folio -:"'1,88*
and agreed to, and the bills Wvelr,! were considered
third time :—King's Lynn wate or ered to be
,read a
Borough Improvement ; Tavistock7qatri`%2lsartrkeeetets, and
Improvement; Leominster and Kingstok
The following bills were read a thi :I.l.adway. and
&c., Roads, reattrrhe anit.Pasaea
—Carlisle and Penrith,
Central Wales Railway, Commercial Docks ar4 --ilwa
A.me„dr„, Y,
Dundee and Newtyle Railway, London and South vv—c.,Zt'
Railway, London, Brighten, and South Coast R,ol—rli
• Mountsorrel Railway, Vale of Neath Railway, Fisi;Zay,,,
Harbour Improvement, People's Provident 4cZau;
ante Society, Scarborough Gas, Standard Life
Assurance Company, Victoria (London) Docks, Bel-
fast and Londonderry Junction Railway, Cork and
Kinsale Junction Railway, and Tralee and Killarney
Railway.
WESTMINSTER BRIDGE BILL.
Lord J. MANNERS, in moving the second reading of
the bill, said he did not mean to proceed farther with it in
the present session ; but it was necessary it should be carried
as far as they could previous to the meeting of the next Par-
liament.btained certain houses, but they were
They had obtained
required in order to make, the new approaches to the new
lying
.on
bridge—those housesconsiderable ; but, as a
the north side. The coat
of the new es would COILS
approaches would be
considerably
compensation for that, these approael side, the pro-
augment the value of the houses on the north