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REGISTRY BILL.

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the clergy obeyed the oath m.,hia, they were bound
to take on their induction,---;here would be no ne
mssity for applying to that', House for grants ila.!
aid of fell:cation. If that werel..he case, there would
be ample flint's for the edueation, lot of one pirtieu--;
Jar class, but of all who were in deed of instruction.
The present system was, from the beginning to the end, a
complete jobbing, se!fisb, and Pr°sePeeisinte system, intended
for the benefit of a few, and not kr the general welfare of
the coentry. Immense sums he.d been lavished 0,, the
charter-schools, but that system i1.3:1 failed. 'File Kildare-
street schools were then tried. They ha I cost the country
a vast deal of meney, and they produced mischief instead
of benefit. The Government was „pea upon to r„, an
end to such a system, and to setahlieh, as it had done, in
its stead, one which, while, it afforded to every sect time
means of moral and liter education, interfered with the
religions principles et.f Dine, and sought not to pervert the.
sacred ceilie of intellectual enlightment 'o the base put-
pot., of narrow-mintied proselytism.—(Hear.)
Colonel CONOLLY sail the opinions of the Rev. Mr.
Carlisle (one of the members of the new Irish Board of
E‘liteabion), were not the opinions of the Presbyterian
body, for that that individual had been di.countenanced by
the whole Presbyterian body of Irehin•l ; and that the
Board consisted of members of every kid of sect and per-
suasion but the Established Church, which was not at all
represented there. If the system of education to he esta-
blished in Ireland was to be-conducted by such persons as
that Board consisted of, it could only be by radically de-
terging every principle and particle of Christianity. The
Irish people were so sunk in degradation that they did not
know what the moral principle was : they were incapable
of judging between right and wrong- ; and the only reeectly
for their deplorable ignorance consisted in the circulation
of the sacred Scriptures. The Proteetants and Presbyte-
rians of Ireland were so violently attached to the Word of
God, that they would to it man spurn at and ree:st tie.
new system of education which it was now attempted to
establish in Ire!eted,—a system, wilielk he had satisfied
himself; and he was sure it would require but little to sa-
tisfy the House also, was at once both impious and absurd.
Mr. CAREW said a few words, which were inaudible
in the gallery.

Mr. H. GRATTAN defended the system now proposed
by the Government, and the very fact of the Kildare.
place Society having decided that the Bible ought not to
be made a school-book was proved by a resolution to that
effect, signed by the Hon. Member for Donegal hinitte!f
(Odonel Coneliv) in 1829. The opposition tc this new
system proceeded not from religion, but front polities, and
from parties annoyed at not being able to preserve their
exclusive ascendancy.
Colonel CONOLLY ,rid that the Hon. Member hed
put into his mouth what had been said by ottrcrs, and
charged him with being pleeent at meetings front which
he was far distant, and tbat in doing eo the Hon. Member
(Mr. H. Grattan) had equally dep ;rted from truth and
canduta-r.

.11r. H. GRATTAN r,peated that all he had said was
true ; but called upon the Hon. and Gallant Colonel to ex-
Olin what he meant by the charge of his having made a
departure from truth and candour.
Colonel CONOLLY said that the Hon. Memb.r had
attributed to him bring in one place, at a time that he was
actually in another.

Mr. MORE OTERRALL returned his thanks to the
Government for having put the system of national educa-
tion on a fair and equal footing. Ile also thought that
the speech of the lion. Member for Donegal carried its
own antidote with it. It was full of that violent feeling
which unfortunately prevailed in Ireland, but it was not in
',this country nee-scary to reply to it, as here it would have
no weight.—(Hear, hear.)
After a few words from Sir R. H. INGLis,
Mr. KEARSLEY, we understood, said that if his
Majesty called upon him to give his services—than which
many things more unlikely had come to pass—(A laugh).—
the first thing he would da would be to order the " Rogue's
March" to be heat for both parties..—(Loud laughter.)
Mr. RI7THYEN declared that • the whole opposition to
this system was purely of a political character, and denied
that theleeling of the Protestants of Belfast and its neigh-
bourhood was spoken by the parties who assumed to be the
Protestant organs.
Captain GORDON, in moving that the petition he
printed, said, that though he was free to admit that the
Ministerial plan of education in Ireland Was founded on
the reports of Parliamentary Committees and Commissions,
he must repeat-that it would be found impos.ible to carry
it into practice.

Mr.- SHELL said •that Government hod adopted the
right rsittrse, in acting upon the report of a Committee.
lie denied that the Scriptures were abstracted by the Go-
vernment -from the people of Ireland ; the reverse had
been admitted by the Hon. Member for Dundalk. He
was surprised at the opposition to Roman Catholics on the
part of those who accepted the services of Socinians and
Arians-. It was admitted that the Kildare-street Society
bed failed. This was not a question of education, or of
religion, but a question of public policy, and of public
tranquillity. • -
Mr. C. GRANT observed, that the Noble Lord, the
Member for Huntingdon (Lord Mandeville), had said that
there was this distinction between -him and those gentle-
men who agreed with him and the 'Government, that
whereas the former thought that education was a matter of
religious obligation, and that • his Majesty's Government
ought to attend to the matter of education as such,—tt,e
latter thought that it was not a matter of religious obliga-
tion, but of state policy. On the part of Government he
(Mr. Grant) begged to repel that observationr,ie was
about to say aspersion, it it had not been accompanied
by so :ouch kindness and courtesy on the part of the Noble
Lord. He begged to say, that his Majest)'s Government
did regard the education of the people as a mater of re-
ligious oYigation, inasmuch as he considered that the se-
curity and prosperity of the kingdom depended on the re-
ligious principles of the people of England.—(llear.)
Unless the people of England were given a religious eiluca-
ti,n, grounded upon the sacred Scriptures, it was vain to
talk cf the greatness and the prosperity of the empire.
The motion for the printing of the petition was then
agreed to.

Colonel TORRENS.postponed his motion for a Bill re-
pealing such taxes as have the effect of lowering the profits
of e-ipital and the wages of labour, till the sth of April.

Mr. TREVOR moved to add the county Members of
England to the committee of inquiry on the Registry Bill.
Mr. PAGET thought the motion unnecessary, as 14
county Mernbe's wert:aliestly on the Committee.
Mr. HODGSON supported the motion.

Lord ALT HORP saisi that it Would be extremely incon-
venient to have all the county Members of England on this
Committee, and it was not probable that they would all
attend if they were appointed.
Sir C. WETHERELL inquired whether the Noble
Lord would consent to one Member for each county being
appointed?
Mr. LABOtJCHERE said it was impossible that any
committee-room could hold such a number. It was better
that the Hon. Member should move, in another form, that
the Bill shall not pass, than to effect the object in this cir-
cuitous way.

Sir E. SCGDEN recommended the Hon. Mover to post-
pone the motion, and make out a list of Members to be
added, not with a view of destroying the Committee but
of adding to its efficiency.
After a few words from Mr. D. W. HARVEY, the gallery
was cleared for a division ; but we understood that the
motion was subsequently withdrawn.
LORD CHANCELLOR OF IRELAND.

Mr. DAWSON r,se to move fur a " copy of the ap-
pointment or appointments of W. M. M'Causland and
Robert Long, as joint Secretaries of the Lord Chancellor
of Ireland ; er, it appointed verbally, the date and tet ins of
the appointments; the ages of the respective parties at
the time of their app Untments ; the total amount of the
eno,lutnents of the office of Secretary since their appoint-
ment; by whom the same has been beneficially received,
and in what proportions; and the number of days in every
meek in which such Secretaries have been employed in
the duties of their office, distinguishing the attendance of
each. He said that the object of the present motion was
to ascertain whether the Lord Chancellor of Ireland had
acted leg 'lly in appointing two officers jointl • to fill the
office of Secretary. It bad teen his intention to content
himself with moving w making
any the present return, witho alt.
any comments on te subject, until he learned, froin
the
reports in the newspapers, that the notice which he had
given of the motion had drawn from the Lord Chancellor of
Ireland some injudicious observations, which be could not
help feeling as insulting to himself.
Mr. STANLEY rose to order. He conceived that no
Member had a right to fount. a justification for his rievi-
atin, from the course which he had originally chalked out
upon a report of a speech delivered in another place, to
which it was not regular even to allude, and more particu-
larly when the object of that deviation was to make a
charge against an individual, who was not present to de-
fend himself. If the lion. Gent. had any charge to make,
there were an abundance of ways in which he might bring
it forward, and at the same time afford an opportunity to
the noble person whom it affected of meeting it ; but no
opposition being intended to the present motion by the
Government, he thought chat the lion. Member' would Le
guilty of a breach orderif he should make my statement
now, solely in consequence of certain observations havint:
been uttet ed in another place. ( [lean)
Mr. DAWSON thought the Speaker's interfei tote was

totally unnecessary. He must ;ay, that he hail heard the
Right Hon. Gentleman's criticism with a great deal of sur-
prise, and he eras not at all convinced that the course he
was pursuing was disorderly. He had stated that he would
have moved for the present return without making a sin-
gle observation, had it not been for a speech which he had
seen reported in the newspapers, and attributed to the
Lord Caaocellor of Ireland. He did not say where that
speech was made. But in consequence of the notice which
he bad given, of movin? fee e the present return, certain
ti,servations hitti t)een called from the Lord Chancellor
of Irelags!) 'in the other House of Pal liament.—(Order.)
The SPEAKER said that nothing was more clear than
that any allusion to what occurred in the nthet• frib:‘oc
Parliament was disordetle.

• Mr. DAWSON woefd r!ten speak of the speech as he
found it repsartesi iii the newspapers, and lie would leave
the fefonse to judge where it was delivered. The Lord
I Chancellor of Ireland was reported to have said " that
misrepresentations h ,ii gone forth with respect to certain
offices to which he had the appointment; and that a no-
tice had been given in another plaice-, of moving a resolit-
i ties on the subject. He therefore intended to move for
returns relating to Cie offices in question; in order to ena-
ble himself tet meet those calumnies, and; by the blessing
of God, he would meet, refute, end expose them." The
Noble and Learned Lord aria he would refute the charges,
which he designated calumnies, "by the blessing of
Got; t,- and if he succeeded in so doing, it neetainly must be
' hy the interposition of Providence, and by no human
means of his owns fot in every endeavour which he had
hitherto Ride to refute them, he had most signally failed.
----(Laueliter.) The object of his present motion was, as
he. hail before stated, to ascertain the Irg-.114- of the joint
appointment of two Seaseefotrt.es, Early in the present
Session be bed ".:owed for an account of fees paid by
3lnistrates in Ireland ; and a return was made
signed by .M'Causland and Long. The name of
Long did not appear to be attached to that docu-
ment as assistant or clerk to the former, but as
joint Secretary. Within the last few days a letter had been
issued from the Cliant-a y-office in Ireland, addressed
to the Lords-Lieutenants of the different counties, and
signed by Robert Long. This he took to be an additional
proof that that gentleman acted in tlna capacity of secre-
tary, and not of clerk, 3''&4llse he did not suppose that
communicetions would be addressed to Lords- Lieutenants
of Counties by any other person than the Chancellor's
secretary. The letter to which he alluded informed
Lords-Lieutenants that the fees paid by Magistrates on
taking up their commie-ion to the puree-hearer, the train-
hearer, and the hall-porter, amounting to 125., would
he returned. It would be perhaps recollected that the
subject of fees paid by the Magistrates had been brought
before the House at an early period of the season ; and a
distinct pledge given that they vesaild be returned. They
amounted in the whole to 21 131. 6(/. ; of which sum
only 12s. was promised, in the letter he had mentinned,
to be returned; and it was not until after the House or
Commons had marked its sense in the most decided
manner, of the conduct of the Lord Chancellor of Ire-land
with respect to the appointment of the secretary of the
Master of the R .Ile, and the country from one end to the
other had joined in reprobating it, that the Lord Chancellor
thought fit to inform the Lords-Lieutenants of Ireland,
that all the fees paid by the Magistrates would be returned.
—( Hear, bear.) He contended that Mr. W. M.
M'Causland anti Mr. Robert Long could not be con-
sidered in any other light than as joint secretaries, and
the Lord Chancellor in making- the appointment had been
guilty of an illegal act. By the schedule annexed to the
14th George IV., cap. 61, the Lord Chancellor of Ireland
teal clearly limited to the appointment of only one secre-
tary. It might, perhaps, be said that Mr. Long was an
assistant-secretary ; but he begged the House to recollect,
that since 1770, no such officer had been known in Ire-
land. What, then, was the reason that there were now
two joint secretaries to the Chancellor in Ireland? When
Lord P:unket accepted his present situation, he appointed
Mr. M'Causland, a young gentleman only 19 years, as
his secretary ; but the bar of Ireland, feeling no confidence
in that gentleman's experience, begged Lord Plunket to
retain Mr. Long. Lord Plunket assented to the proposi-
tion. Mr. Long was retained, and performed the duties
of the office, for which he received 5004, while the other
, gentleman received 2,oool.—(Hear, hear.) This was an
instance of the manner in which the Lord Chancellor had
mismanaged his patronage, for it induced the public to
believe that the duties of an office, the aalary of which was
2.500/., could be properly performed for 500/.—(A
laugh.) He had always objected to the removal of Sir A.
Hart from the Chancellorship. His was an able Judge,
highly qualified for the situation, and by his conti-
nuance in office the country would have saved annually
4,500/., which was now paid to the late Chancellor as
retiring pension. Lord Piunket was, however, made
Lord Chancellor, because, as the House was told, he would
he what the Ministers wanted, an excellent political
judge. The consequence had been, that since the lit of
Mitch last year, Lord Plunket had been absent from his
official duties for no less a period than six months—during
two Hilary Terms and-one Trinity Term, and the House
• would perhaps be surprised to learn that the person whom
the Noble Lord had delegated to discharge his duty, during
his absence,- was no other than- the Master of the Rolls,
whose claim to be allowed to establish his. right he had
treated in so unconstitutional a manner.—(Hear, hear.)
Ho thought it was discreditable to Government to bring
the Lord Chancellor over to this country for the purpose
of performing political parts; and he believed th tt the
Noble Lord had not enhanced his own character by the
course he had pursued. When a charge was made against
ina of having conferred numerous profitable situations
,In his family connexions, instead of meeting the charge
fairly, the Noble Lord indulged in language which he
(Mr. Dawson) should have scarcely thought it possible
to be used out of Billingsgate. Such conduct was calcu-
lated to raise the disgust of every man connecttd with the
administration of justice in this country; and in proof of
tnis observation he could state, that a gent. of the highest
.uthority had taken the trouble to make out a list of the
number of offices held by the family of Lord Plunket, anti
with a copy of which he had favours d him (Mr. Dawson).
The following was the account of the offices and emoluments
enjoyed by this family: —Lord Plunket, Chancellor, 8,0001.;
The Hon. P. Plunket, Purse Bearer, 800/., Secretary of
Bankrupts, 900/., and Counsel to the Chiet Remembrancer
of the Exchequer, 350/. ; the Hon. D. Plunket, Pro-
thonotary of the Common Pie's, 1,5001., and Examiner
of the Common Pleas, 1001. There were, besides, under
these gentlemen three general clerks with a salary of 500/
each ; principal Assistant of Common Pleas relating to
juhgtnents, 500/.; second assistant, 2001.; third assistant,
300/. ; and clerk of the pleading in the Affidavit-office,
400/. ; with other clerks whose united salaries amounted
to 1,0001. ; the Hon. J. Plunket, Assistant Barrister in
the county of Nleath, 700/. ; late Commissioner to inquire
with respect to fees received in Courts of Justice, 1,2001.
(that office being now abolished, the salary had ceased
since last year) ; Crown Counsel on the Munster circuit,
1,200/. ; and Counsel to the Police, 8001. ; the Hon. and
Rev. F. Plunket, Dcan of Down, 2 500/. ; the Lion.
and Rev. Wm. Plunket, Vicar of Bray—(Loud laughter)
—BOOl. ; Mr. M'Causland, jun., 2,000/. ; Mr. Long,
300/. ; Mr. Wan. 31'Causland, brother-in-law of Lord
Plunket, and father of the young mart, 1,500/. ; besides
various other lucrative situations, making the total amount
of the public money received by Lord Plunket, his fa-
Roily, and connexions, not lees than 27,8501. a year.
—(Hear, hear, hear.) The present political Chancellor
was Attorney-General to Lord Grenville, and retired
from office in consequence of being foiled in an
attempt to remove some of the distbilities under
which the Catholics then laboured. He then became
Attorney-General under Lord Liverpool, who was the bit-
terest enemy of the Catholics. He was then offered the
office of Master of the Rolls by Mr. Canning, who was
the deadliest en ony of Reform, and whose last words
were " No Reform;" and the Noble and Learned Person
concluded by becoming Lord Chancellor under the Noble
Lord opposite, whose motto was " Reform, and nothing
but Reform.".(Hear.) There was an advantage in being
a political Chancellor. When Lord Plunket was asked
why he did not decline acting as Judge in his own cause,
his answer was, "I am a political Chancellor." When
this Noble and Learned individual should read a report of
what lie had that night said of him, he might perhaps be-
stow upon him some of the abuse arid sarcasms for which
he was so remarkable ; but be regarded that not. He had
stuck to the truth, and, strong in the honesty and justice
of his cause. he might exclaim—
.. .

There is no terror, Cassius, in your threats,
For I am arm'd so strong in honesty,
That they pass by me as the idle wind
Which I respect not."
Mr. CRAMPTON said it had never been his lot to hear
so much misstatement as ha i fallen from the Right Hon.
Gentleman. He would not ask the House to take that
assertion fur granted until he had contradicted some of the
most material facts in the Right Hon. Gentleman's speech.
The Right lion. Gentleman stated that Ireland was dis-
satisfied and disgusted with the manner in which the Lord
Chancellor of Ireland discharged, or rather abandoned, the
duties of his office. lie mentioned particularly that the
Lord Chancellor came over to England in Hilary Term,
and that in his a' sense the duties of his office devolved
upon the Master of the Rolls. The Right lion. Gentle.
man was misinformed with respect to the whole of this
statement. He hail been a practitioner iu the Court of
Chancery during the greater part of his life, and he would
.without hesitation declare, without disparagement to any
of the Noble Lord's predecessor., that never, within his

eserany, had the duties of the business of the Court been
discharged with so much diligence, deep itch, and setisfice
tion to the suitors as during the period Lord Plunket had
presided there. He knew that his Lordship was disliked in
a particular quarter. The cry raised against him was that
cf party, of politite, ant!ebiLeett?e. nol of the country. Now to
refe_re the Right non. Gentleman's cherge as to the absence
or the Noble and Learned Lord during Hilary Term. He
(Mr. Crampton) was present during a few days of Hilary
Tertn, and he knew that the Lord Chancellor di l not leave
his Court till long after Hilary Term was eve:.--( Hear,
hear.)—Furtheethan keiew that the Lied Chan-
(*ha': did not leave his Court until the sittings were
closed, and there was not a single cense remaining unheard.
—(Hear, Lear. )—The Right Hon. Gentleman stated that
the Lord Chancellor abandoned his Court in tic preceine
yeti-, and came to England to meddle with polities. T;iis
statement was as unfounded as the ether. His Lordship
did not leave his Court until ev'ny rase hid been diyosed
of.---(Hear.)—He could also state that the absence of the
Lord Chancellor had never occasioned the Master of the
Rolls to hear a single cense. lie could not help wishing
from his heart that the Right lion. Gentleman hail a se:t
in another place, where he would have an opportunity of
making his cbarges against Lord Plunket face to face,
and of receiving from the Noble and Learned Lord an
answer more satisfactory and explicit then he (Mr.
Crampton) could give.—(Hear.)—The Right lion. Gen-
tleman had stated that Lord Plunket's nephew, whom he
had appointed his Secretary, was only nineteen years of
age. He was, in fact, twenty-three years 615 had been edu-
cated for the Isar, end was in every respect perfectly qua-
for the office which he hell. A few words would
suffice to repel the charge against Lord Plunket, with
respect to Mr. Long. This gentleman was greatly in•
dehted to the kindness of his Lordship. Mr. Long having
filled the office of secretary la-gate, did not wish to appear
to have lost his rank, and applied to Lord Plunket to be
allowed the title of joint secretary inste.ad of assistant se-
cretary. Sir A. Hart supported Mr. Long's re quest, and
Lord Plunket, in kindness, acceded to it. There was a
charge I-4 Heir.) Did not the Right Hon. Gentleman
now regret that lie had brought it forward ? If not, he
must have a mind clouded by prejudice and blinded by
party- feeling.—(Hear, beer.)
Mr. H. GRATTAN defended the conduct of Lord
Chancellor Plunket, and maintained that the statement
brought forward by the Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr.
Dawson), respecting the large sums alleged to have been
rec iced by his Lordship's family out of the public purs-,
had been greatly exaggerated. The Hon. Member moved,
as an amendment to the motion before the House, for
similar returns with respect to Richard Lockwood, Esq.,
as secretary to Lord Chancellor Manners, and Robert
Long, Esq., as secretary to Lord Chancellor Hart.
Sir E. SUGDEN said, that from what had been ad-
vanced by his Hun. and Learned Friend oppesit, (Mr.
Crampton), he (Sir E. Sugden) was bound to believe that
there was a mistake on some side, and until there had been
further inquiry he would suspend his judgment. He
begged to ask his Hon. and Learned Friend wheti:er he
meant to say that the Lord Chancellor had heard all the
causes in his Court, without imposing any louden on the
Master of the Rolls?

CrlAMPTON—Certainly, except one cause, in
which the Lord Chancellor was hilllS. If a party.
Sir E SUGDEN—Then, as there were two confEct-
ing statement., both originating in respectable sources, he
would repeat that it was requisite that the circumstances
should be inquired into. Ile would say for his Right
Hon. Friend that he had the best ground for advancing his
statement, and, in a similar situation, he (Sir E. Sugden)
should have felt it his duty to have adopted a similar
course. His Hon. and Lamed Friend had declared that
the Lord Chancellor of Ireland load not been ab,ent from
his Court or neglected his duty.
Air. CRA3IPTON—I said that the Lord Chancellor
was present in his Court, and had disposed of all the
causes during the Hilary Term in which he has been
charged with being absent, but I did not say that be had
never been absent.

Sir E. SUGDEN declared that he had been labouring
under the greatest delusion on this point, for be had un-
derstood his Hon. and Learned Friend to say that the
Chancellor had never keen absent from his Court. He
had not •asked concerning attendance in Trinity Term
this year.
Mr. CRAMPTON had not spoken as to Trinity Term
last year, indeed he rather thought that the Chancellor
had not been in attendance during the whole of that Term;
but he could say that his hairless had not been discharged
by the Master of the Rolls, or any other Judge.
Sir E. SUDDEN continued of the opinion he had al-
ready expressed, that the matter must lie over for further
investigation,' when he should be extremely astonished if
he found the authority on which his Right Hon. Friend
Thad proceeded altogether incorrect. To proceed to an,
other point, he must say that the longer he lived he saw.
the noire cause fin• regrettin; for mixing up political with
judicial functions. He did not advance this invidiously
as to any particular Chancellor. Respecting the office of
Secretary, he would maintain that no inexperienced person
could be deemed capable of filling it, and he submitted to
the House whether so young a man as Mr. M'Causland
should have received the appointment, with a salary of
1,7001 a-year, while it was deemed necessary to associate
with bins a person of experience, at a salary of 500/.
a-year. If the latter sum were an adequate allowance for
a competent officer, he could not perceive any propriety in
mulcting the public for the payment of a supernumerary.
Mr. S. RICE was surprised at the new light that had
suddenly broken in upon the Hon. Gentlemen opposite,
and he should like to learn how long it was since tl.ey hail
begun to distinguish the evil resulting from the appoint-
merit of a political Chancellor.—(Hear, and a laugh.) He
should he glad to be informed why, if they sanctioned this
appointment in others, they should make such a run
against one who had been formerly their colleague,
and of whose talents they had received the benefit,
though he was now so systematically attacked both
in that House and elsewhere? He must com-
plain of the mode of attack that had been resorted to
on the present occasion. It was certainly rather unfair to
introduce the question of the Lord Chancellor's absence
and the neglect of his duty in a minor motion, and with-
out due notice. New light htd also dawned upon Hon.
Gen!lemen as to the holding of a number of offices by a
single family. He could meter to an instance of the kind
which it was singul tr had escaped the research of Hon.
Members, hut to which he would direct their attention, as
being fully as deserving of remark as the one that had
been submitted to the House to-night. Die example to
which he was about to advert was not based upon news-
paper reports, but upon a report of a committee of the
House of Commons. This committee had been appointed
in 1802, for the purpose of inquiring into what offices
were filled by Members of the House. It appeared from
the return that no less than six profitable legal offices
were filled by the Hon. William Henry John Stott.—(A
laugh.) Here, then, was the only son of a Chancellor
holding no less than six offices, while the case brought
forw int by the Hon. Gentleman showed merely that some
provision had been made during di&rent administrations
for the numerous family of the Chancellor of Ireland. No
doubt, has; there in the instance which he cited been six
sons, 36 offices would have been distributed among thein.
With such a record open to his inspection, he could nor
help feeling astonished that his Right Hon. Friend bad
thought proper to reserve his virtuous indignation for
the devoted head of the present Chancellor of Ireland.

Mr. G. BANKES said, that the statement of tie Right
Hon. Gentleman opposite had no reference to the presrnt
question, and the Right Hon. Gentleman ought to have
blushed when he enumerated the offices to Mr. Scott,
two of which he was well aware were in reversion, and
never hid been enjoyed by that gentleman. lie regretted
the allusion made, as it was calculated to give pain, and
was on the present occasion both uncalled for and un-

necessary.
Sir C. WETHERELL said that the triumph had
been claimed by the Hon. Gentlemen on the other aide of
the Housc for the speech of the lion. and Learned Gen
tleman, the Solicitor-General for Ireland, but he (Sir C.
Wetherell) thought no triumph could be claimed fur the
speech of the Right Hon. Gentleman, the Secretary of
the Treasury, unless it was a triumph to fail into great
inconsistescies. He complained that the Earl of Eldon should
have been thus attacked in his absence, for nobody could
deny it aVif4 that Noble Lord who had been alluded to. He
complained of this the more, because the attack had been
made by those who had aecti.ed his Right Hon. Friend of
attacking Lord Plunket in his absence. He should follow the
opinion
upon the elf .je,t till
the example of the Hon. and Learned Member for St.
ftatiHawes,er information
t @tin wasa
e ng °
before ' the House. He, how-
ever, could not omit this opportunity of expressing his
hope that the friends of the Master of the Rolls in Ireland
would again bi ing the question as to his right to apprent
a secretary before the House—a question out of which
Lord Plunket had escaped only by the support of four
persons who were his political adherents.
Sir F. TRENCH thought that the conduct in that affair
was not calculated to add to the dignity of his high station.
Mr. DAWSON replied, arid observed that the state-
(l3rlerl. naD4 and whose character was
and
to use the informa-
tion swhich he had made were on the authority of a gen-
etlueifirncainenotftohiginhduncaemheitinn
which had been given him. He was prepared to
show that out of the last twelve months, during which
Lord Plunket had held the seals of Ireland, lie had been
'six months of that period absent from hie Court in Ireland,

Ind in this country leaving a weight anti pre sure of busi-
ness upon a high functionary to no great an extent as to
lead to remonstrance, sehich had been met by the Noble
Lord in no vci-y con;teotts Matiner. He should prove this
fact fully before Parliament at a future and more fitting
opportunity. He differed on the law of the ease, as laid
dawn by the Hon. and Learned Solicitor-General fur
Ireland, with respect to the right, of appointing two
secretaries, and he denied that there had ever been an
instance of joist-secretaries to the Chaneeror. With
respect to the recrimination with which he had been met,
it was not the system to be adopted on meeing an iin-
p,rt.int question, and be would tell the Hon. Gentlemen
sitting behind the Treasury Bench, who had been sent into
the House to attempt to cleanse what they were pleased to
designate the Auge in stable, and were RO loud in their
cries of refirm, and in the cheers with which they had
received the remarks from their side of the House, that
They had their constituents to answer to for their vote on
this question, and he doubted touch whether they would be
able to justify their votes on the present occasion, even the
lion. nonber for Sussex, who was fast asleep.-(Laughter. )
Lord G. LENNOX rose to order. He dulled hiving
been asleep, but had listened to the debate—even the speech
of the Right Hon. Gentleman who had just sat down, and
who had no right to attack him of want of attention in the
discharge of his duties to his constituents, whom he should be
aide to meet without any aid from theßight Hon. Gentleman.
Mr. DAWSON explained.

Mr. CRAMPTON maintained the statement he had be-
fore made, which he said hadremained tintounebed by any
thing that had yet been said.
The motion, with the amendment, was then put by the
SPEAKER, and agreed to.
The other Orders of the Day were then disposed of, and
the House adjourned at Half past Three o'clock.