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London, England, 1835-07-27 00:00:00

HOUSE OF COMiIIONS.

The SPEAK ER took the chair at four o'clock.
Papers were presented from the Treasury and the India
House.

On the motion of Mr. CAMPBELL the Ballochneg
Railway Bill was read a third time and passed.
Mr. OSWALD brought up the Report of the Glasgow
Poor-rate Committee.

Mr. SPIE R S presented a petition against any further grant
to the Scotch Church. Petitions on the same subject were
presented by Mr. SINCLAIR and Sir M. J. STEWART.
Mr. TE NNE NT presented a petition ffrorn the Chamber of
Commerce of Belfast, praying that no alteration might be
made in the duties on timber. He warmly supported the prayer
of the petition.
Mr. BOLD ER 0 supported the petition, and presented one
to the same effect. _ .

Mr. JACKSON also supported the prayer of the petition.
Mr. ROBIN SON presented a petition from certain of the
Honourable East India Company's Maritime Officers excluded
from compensation under the late Act of Parliament.
Shortly after the House met this Session he had presented
two petitions on this subject, and in consequence of
them a Committee was appointed. That Committee
was most fairly constituted—it had the advantage of
the assistance of persons who were competent to decide upon
the subject. They went into a long examination of the evi-
dence upon this very singular case, and the Report of that
Committee, to which he begged the particular attention of
the House, was as follows. The Report was founded upon
three Resolutions come to by the Committee, the first of
which was to the effect that it appeared, that under the
provisions of the Act of the 3d and 4th of William IV.,
c. 85. The East India Company were empowered to grant
compensation to those officers whose interests were affected
by the discontinuance of the trade ; that this grant was re-
stricted to officers who had been five years in the service ; and,
thirdly, and this was the important part of the Report to which
he called attention, and which justified him in asking why
the Board of Control, had, notwithstanding the Report,
continued to refuse to accede to the claims of those offi-
cers, and to do them that justice to which they were en-
titled. The third resolution stated that a strict adherence to
this rule would appear to exclude from compensation the case
of officers who were fairly entitled, and they therefore recom-
mended to the Court of Directors to consider the case of those
officers who had been hitherto excluded, and whose interests
were nevertheless affected by the discontinuance of the trade.
He had never contended that the Company were not the proper
persons to consider the case of these officers, and he should be
sorry to see any necessity for taking the case out of 'their
hands. But an arrangement had been made to which that
House had been a party, and which provided for those officers
whose interests were affected, he, therefore, thought that the
House had a right to complain of the East India Company,
after making an arrangement, giving ten and a half
per cent. for forty years, and the repayment of
the capital. This was a most advantageous arrangement, and
the Company ought to adhere to the letter and the spirit
of it. ( Hear, hear, hear.) What had the Company
done ? In order to save the trouble of investigating
the great body of the cases they made a general rule, by which
they drew a line, by which no officer who had got his official
appointment on the 28th of August, 1828, or subse-
quently, could become entitled to compensation.—( Hear.)
He would ask what had the Act of Parliament to do with the
year 1828? The Company had drawn an arbitrary line, by
which an officer who had been appointed on the 29th of Au-
gust would be deprived of compensation to which the officer
who had been appointed two days before would be entitled.
It was because the special case had been in all instan-
ces excluded that he had brought forward the claim of
these officers. When they applied for compensation, the
invariable answer was, You don't come within the rule, and
therefore we exclude you. He put the claim of these gen-
tlemen on the broad principle of justice; either they had a
claim under the provisions of the Act, or they had not.
If they had no claim, he would abandon their case,
but if they had he would not consent to their being put upon a
charitable fund, subject to the contingency of other officers
dying off. He contended, that when the Act relative to the
East India Colonies passed, it was always contemplated that
these officers should have compensation. Every other
officer connected with the Company had received full and
ample remuneration, and it was unaccountable to him that
these officers in particular had been excluded.—( Hear, hear.)
They had the Act of Parliament before them, which would
convince the House that the Company considered these officers
entitled to compensation. Next, they found these officers ex-
cluded by the rigid application of the rule drawn by
the Company.—( Hear, hear.) The Report of the Com-
mittee of the House of Commons, and the evidence of Lord
Glenelg was in their favour, and with this having gone to the
Company, the petitioners received the same answer. It was
nothing that the Right Hon. Gentleman opposite said that he
did not agree with the East India Company in the policy of
this exclusion. He (Mr. R.) asked the House, in the name
of justice, whether these petitioners were not justified in
coming again before the House." He would, for the pre-
sent, merely lay the petition on the table ; but if the answer
of the Right Honourable Gentleman was not satisfactory, he
should certainly feel it his duty, on some future occa-

sion, to bring forward a specific motion, and he would not
abandon the case until he saw justice done them.—( Hear,
hear.) He should certainly rather hear from the Right
Hon. Gentleman that justice had not been done them, and
that their cases would be reconsidered. It was too bard that
those officers whose exertions had been the means of filling the
coffers of the Company, should be refused compensation
because they had quitted the service of the Hon. Company,
previous to 1828, although they had been always anxious to
return to it. He begged to apologize for having trespassed so
long on the House, and he hoped he had said enough to convince
the House that these petitioners had strong claims upon the
Company for compensation for the services performed by them.
The petition having been brought up,
Sir J. C. HOB HOUSE objected to the petition being re-
ceived, on the ground that it prayed for a grant of money, and
was therefore informal.
The SPEAK ER said if such was the case it could not be
received.
Mr. ROBINSON—The petitioners merely prayed the
House would assist them in obtaining compensation from the
East India Company.
After a few observations from Sir J. C. HOBHOUSE,

Mr. ROBINSON withdrew the petition.
Mr. Sergeant JACKSON presented several petitions from
parishes in Kilkenny and Cork against the Bill now in progress
through that House, relative to the Irish Church ; also, a
petition from Sir William Harty formerly representative of the
City of Dublin, to the same effect. Also a petition from a
Protestant clergyman of the island of Achil, on the coast of
Mayo, complaining of the persecution practised by the Roman
Catholic clergymen against the children attending petitioners'
schools.
Lord COLE presented a petition from the High Sheriff
and Grand Jury of Fermanagh, against the Irish Church Bill.
Sir M. S. STEWART presented a petition from Renfrew,
against the Ten Hours' Factory Bill.
Mr. CAMPBELL presented a petition from a Society
resident in London for the propagation of Christian Knowledge,
in the Highlands and Islands of Scotland, relative to the con-
templated arrangement of the Scottish Colleges.
Mr. M'KINNON supported the prayer of the petition.
Mr. SINCLAIR also supported the petition.
ECCLESIASTICAL REGISTRATION.

Mr. W. DUN C OMBE presented a petition from a parish
in Yorkshire against the Ecclesiastical Registration Bill, and
asked the Attorney-General whether it was his intention to
proceed with it at this advanced period of the session.
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said he was sure that
this Bill would be supported by both sides of the House, and
therefore it was not likely to extend the duration of the
session. He should bring it forward at the very first oppor-
tunity.—( Hear. )
Mr. HE ATHC OTE supported the petition.
Colonel SIBTHORP did not conceive the Bill would
meet with that general support which the Attorney-General
seemed to anticipate, and in support of his opinion he reminded
the House that there had been 166 petitions, to which there
were 10,257 signatures appended, presented against the Bill.
Mr. C. FERGUS SON advocated the measure, observing
that be thought it was shown to be necessary by the gross abuses
that had been proved to exist in the Ecclesiastical Court.
Mr. WILK S trusted that the Attorney-General would not
attempt to press the Bill forward during the present Session.
l{ hoped however that it would be printed, in order that the
country might have an opportunity of deliberately considering
the subject. He wished that more important corrections had
been attempted by the House.
Mr. PEASE observed that the measure had been received,
in some parts of the country, with great alarm. He did not
like the principle that nothing could be well done, that was
not done in London.--(Cheers.)
Mr. LOWTHER trusted the Attorney-General would
withdraw the measure for the present Session, in order to
give the country time to consider the subject.
Mr. SC ARL ETT thought the Bill should be withdrawn

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for the present Session.
The Petitions were then ordered to lie on the table.

Mr. HODGES presented a petition from the owners and
occupiers of land in Kent, complaining of distress and
praying the House for an alteration in the law with respect to
Tithes. The Hon. Member also presented a petition from
Lewisham praying for the repeal of the Malt Tax.
IRISH CHURCH.

Mr. LEFR 0 Y presented petitions from Dublin and other
places in Ireland in favour of the Irish Church. He
would take that opportunity of correcting a statement

which had been made in the course of the debate
on the question of the Irish Church, by the Noble Lord
the Secretary for Ireland. That Noble Lord had said that in
the parish of Kilgarrick there were two clergymen, and that
those two had dwindled into one man, whose only duty con-
sisted in the collection of tithe. Now the Rev. G. Townsend

was certainly a prebendary, and was also rector of this
parish, but he was a most excellent clergyman, was always re-
sident, and provided for two curates, so that the spiritual duties
were performed by three clergyman instead of one.
Dr. BOWRING presented a petition from a Mr. William
Bruce, complaining of the injuries he had suffered from
the incursions of the Caffres in Africa. He also gave
notice, on the part of the Honourable Member for Middlesex,
that on Tuesday, the 28th instant, he would move that the
House carry into effect the resolution of the Committee for
distributing Parliamentary papers.
IPSWICH ELECTION.
Mr. FRE SHFIE LD said, that as the evidence in the Ips-
wich case had not yet been delivered, and as he supposed,
from the two adjournments that had taken place, that the
House would not discharge the prisoners until they had heard
the evidence, he thought it useless to bring forward the case
this evening.
After a few words from Mr. GOULBURN and Mr. WYNN,
the case as we understood, was postponed.
WOLVERHAMPTON AFFRAY.
Mr. THORNLEY complained of the great delay that had
taker► place in the printing and distributing of this evidence.
IPSWICH ELECTION. •

Mr. NICHOL asked whether the Hon. Member for
Ipswich intended to present the petition which- he under-
stood had been placed in his care complaini-g of the con-
duct of the Committee in passing certain resolutions.
Mr. RIGBY WA SON replied, that he thought it
would have been nothing but fair for the Hon. Gentleman
to have given him notice of this question: The petition re-
lated, he understood, to certain resolutions which were brought
down to the Committee ready cut and dried, and which were
of a nature to stifle all inquiry.—( Cries of " Order," during
which the Hon. Member sat down.)
Mr. GOULBURN spoke to order.
Mr. R. WA SON said it appeared to him that the Hon. and
Learned Gentlemen on the other side seemed disposed to listen
to but one side of the question. It would be impossible for
him give his answer without his reasons.
Mr. WYNN said the question was—Whether the intention
of the Hon. Member was to present a petition, accusing the
Committee of some improper course ?
Mr. NICHOL would put it to the House whether a body
appointed to carry on an investigation should have this threat
held over it. The Hon. and Learned Gentleman had re-
ceived a petition to present which he had not yet done, and
was it to be held over- the heads of the Committee in terrorem.
—( Hear. )
Mr. R. WA SON said it was impossible to give his answer,
if the Hon. Member would not hear his reasons.
The conversation then dropped.
DISTRESS IN IRELAND.
Mr. S. CRAWFORD rose to move an Address to his
Majesty, praying him to take the distress in the county
of Mayo into his gracious consideration.—(Hear, hear.)
He had also a letter signed by the Secretary of the Lord
Lieutenant, in which he stated that the Government were
disposed to do all they could, but that they did not
possess sufficient funds to provide for the distress of
large a population. He would now refer to the proceedings
that had been adopted in former cases of distress. In 1822,
when Sir Robert Peel was Secretary of State for the Home
Department, he came to Parliament, and it placed at the dis-
posal of the Crown 250,0001. to be applied for the relief or
distressed persons. In 1831, 50,000/. was raised for a similar pur-
poses. The distress was of such a nature that it would in-
crease progressively. The present condition of the
people did not result from any imprudence, it was
chiefly attributable to the absentee system.—( Hear. )
Another cause of the distresses of Ireland was, that the land-
lotds dispossessed the unfortunate tenants, because they did
not send their children to the schools that the landlords
wished. And this had taken place in the North, as well
as the South.—( Hear.) Another cause was, that the rent
was too high. It might be asked why did the people take
land at a rent which they were not able to pay ? He would
tell them. The tenant was not a free agent; he had
nothing whatever between him and starvation but the
bit of land.—(Hear, hear.) He made an appeal to their
justice—he only demanded that they should restore to the
people what was properly their own. Every man who drew a
revenue from the country was bound to contribute to the
employment and relief of the people. (Hear, hear,
hear.) They wanted practical measures of relief.
Would it be said that the House had not time to legislate for
Ireland ? He trusted that such an imputation upon its justice
would not go forth to the public. The Hon. Member con-
cluded by moving, that an humble address be presented to his
Majesty, praying that he would be graciously pleased to take
the distress existing in the county of Mayo, into his gra-
cious consideration.
On the motion being put—
Lord MORPETH did not deny the question having been
put that the distress alluded to existed in various parts of
Ireland. He believed the Government bad done every
thing in its power to alleviate it, by sending persons to in-
vestigate that distress, and to superintend the landing
of the cargoes of provisions forwarded to these districts. He
feared that he must corroborate the statement of the Hon.
Member relative to the apathy of the landlords.—(Hear.)
If the House chose to make any grant to meet the present dis-
tress, he (Lord Morpeth) would not object to it.
Mr. J. GRATTAN rose, and was left speaking.

LUCIFER MATCHES.—The Magistrates of Bre-
men have issued a very rigorous prohibition of the newly-in-
vented Lucifer matches, on account of the danger of fire
which they may occasion by spontaneous combustion.
On Monday afternoon the neighbourhood of Spalding
was visted, for about twenty minutes, by a storm of thunder
and lightning. During the time this storm lasted (between
three and four o'clock, p. m.), a son of Mr. Brown, of Rig-
bolt, in the parish of Gosberton, was ploughing in that part of
Pinchbeck parish, called Spalding Fen, when the horses and
plough were struck by the lightning. The horses were killed
instanter, and the plough shivered to pieces. The young man
was thrown down, stunned and stupefied, but not materially
hurt. He fell backwards, to which circumstance, it is sup-
posed, he owes his life, and that had he fallen forward on the
plough, he would have been killed.—Boston herald.

POLICE INTELLIGENCE.

MANSION-HOW:E.
A big fellow, of a most terrific appearance, was charge 'a
with having beaten and kicked another man, who had bee,
so much hurt as to be unable to make his appearance for '
some days.
The complainant, on being called to give evidence,
limped up to the table and said—" Please your Lordship,
I aint got no charge against the man ; I aint hurt a bit."
The LORD MAYOR, however, would not allow the mat-
ter to be made up in this way ; and ordered the complain-
ant to give him an account of all the p,articulars.
It appeared from the man's statement, that some day'
ago he had seen the defendant knock dowry his wife. Tb
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complainant interfered, and in return for hist friendship w as
kicked and ill-treated by the defendant, wh o bit a pi ace
from the inside of his thigh. The parties aft%erwards made ;
it up " over a glass of gin."
A policeman stated that the defendant had i bleu several
times before committed on similar charges, an d was known
to be a great ruffian.
The Loan MAYOR committed him till he should find
bail.

QUEEN- S Q CARE.
A man named James Bier was charged with causing
an obstruction at the Marsh-gate, Liimbeth, and refusing
to go on, although the Royal cortege from Wor thvich was
about to pass through the gate at the th.ne. :'fie also as-
saulted the police.
He was fined 205., and in default imprisoned -one month.

T 0 WN-HALL.
Henry C. Mason, owner and driver of th le ca .b 454, was
charged as follows :—On Tuesday week the defe.ndant was
observed driving at a furious rate near the S urrey Theatre,
and goading his horse on to further speed, at. a tune when
an elderly couple, named Turner, were cros sing the road,
both of whom were knocked down. The old gentleman was
so seriously injured that he died in a. few days, and Mrs.
Turner still remains in a precarious state.
The prisoner said the occurrence was quite accidental
but he was ordered to be detained in custody till the .result
of the Coroner's inquest is known.

UNION-HALL.
Richard Mandeville was charged with dry ?ssing himself in
women's clothes, and assaulting several respectable females
in the street, by insisting upon walking with them, and, on
their refusing, pinching their arms.
The defendant
said he had taken tea with' a party of
ladies, who prevailed upon him to adopt part of their'
clothes, and then insisted upon his going into the street,
where he got into a scrape. He was fined 10s.

SHIPPING INTELLIGENCE.

ADVICES, ARRIVALS, AND DEPARTURES AT

THE SCOTCH WHARFS, JULY 26.
HOARE'S WHARF.—No advices. Arrival : the Poterh cad
Shipping Company's smack Margaret, William Begrie master,
from Peterhead, with a general cargo. Departure : the
Fraserburgh Shipping Company's smack Craig Ela hbies
Andrew James master, for Fraserburgb, with a general c WV*
DowNE's WHARF.—No advices or arrivals. Depar, tore
the Dundee, Perth, and London Shipping Company's s sack
Sovereign, William Simmers master, for Dundee, with g vods
and passengers.
CARRON WHARF.—No advices or arrivals. Departure the.
Carron Shipping Company's smack Proserpihe, Richard \ Veb-
ster master, for Carron, with a general cargo.
MILLER'S WHARF.—Advice : the Leith and Edinb' argb
Shipping Company's smack Superb, Mein Anderson me iter,
sailed from Leith the'2lst instant for this Wharf. No arrivals.
Departures : the Leith and Edinburgh Shipping Company's
smack Earl of Hopetoun, David Miller mast`er, for Leith;
and the Aberdeen and London Shipping Company's :smack
Superior, John Leslie master, for Aberdeen, both with g eneral
cargoes.
ABERDEEN STEAM-WHARF.—Departgre : the steran-shig
Duke of Wellington, John Walker commander, for Aberdeea•
with goods and passengers.
LEITH AND GLASGOW WHARF.—NO advices. A.-rival and
departure : the London, Leith, Edinburgh, and Glasgovi
Shipping Company's steam-ship Royal Adelaide, William
Allen commander, from Leith, at twelve o'clock on Pridai
night, with goods and passengers, and she sailed age du last
night with goods and passengers.
LEITH AND BERWICK WHARF.—Advises : the Lond on and
Leith Old Shipping Company's smack the Earl of W ernyssi
Alexander Brown, master, sailed from Leith the 21st inst,.
and the same Company's smack Walter Scott, William Dick;
master, arrived at Leith the 22d inst. Arrival : the Bo.rwicic
Shipping Company's smack Commerce, William Crow, limiter,
from Berwick, with goods and passengers. Departure : the
London and Leith Old Shipping Company's smack ()seam
Henry Johnson, master, for Leith, with a general cargo. ,
DUNDEE AND ST. ANDREW'S WHARFS.--DepartUre
schooner Earl Grey, James M'Lean, master, for Invartuesti,
with a general cargo and several passengers.
LEITH STEAM-SHIP FROM BtacxwaLt.-..-Departure :66
steam-ship Soho, Richard Fraser, commandier, for Leith, W'
goods and passengers.