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IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

ROUSE OF LORDS, MAT 15.
Several private Bills were brought up from the Commons.
Lord DUNDAS presented petitions from Stirling, and
oti er places in Scotland, in favour of Ilerorm.
The Marquees of CLANRICARDE presented several
petitions ft ow Galway, Belvidere, and four other prishes
in Ireland, in favour of the New System of Education in
Ireland.

A 'NOBLE LOAD, whose name was net known, presented
a petition against the New System of Education in Ireland.
Lord KING had several petitions to present in favour
of the same system. He thought the House would now
hear very little of such petitions as had been last presented ;
they had been poured into the House, on political princi-
ples, preparatory to a plot which had new happily been
defeated.

The Earl of RODEN must deny the proposition made
by the Noble Lord. He believed that out of 150 petitions
he had had the honour to present upon the subject of
Irish Education, not one had arisen out of political mo-
tives. The petitioners felt that it was a system which
ought ❑ot to be supported by any Protestant Go-
vernment, and upon that ground, and not upon
that which the Noble Lord had imputed to them,
bad they petitioned that House. They believed, and
strongly felt that the system would not stand, because it
was opposed to the word of God. Su far from that House
not hearing any more upon the subject, he was of opinion
that the petitions would be increased tenfold, as the people
would now be certain that the same system would be
pursued.

Lord KING said the number of petitions which had
been presented, were not to he attributed to the feelings
of the people so much as to the trouble which had been
taken to inflame their minds I,y the Saints.
The Earl of WINCHILSEA perfectly agreed with
his Noble Friend near him (Roden), that the petitions
against this system would now be much increased, and
that the Petitioners were not actuated by any but the
purest of motives. Whoever the Noble Lord might de
signate as Saints, God knew that the Noble Lord would
never fall tinder that imputation. He had never heard
one sentiment from the Noble Lord on the subject of re-
ligion, but what was eminently calculated to bring it
into contempt.—(Cries of Order.) The feeling upon
the subject of education would he much more than that
which had been raised upon the subject of Catholic eman-
cipation. There was no Noble Lord who sat in that
House but had taken his oath to support the Protestant
education of the people.
Lord KING would throw himself upon the recollection
of the House, whether, in any thing he had ever said
within its walls, be had said one word calculated to bring
religion into contempt. He had done what was in his
power to rectify the abuses in its government.
Earl GREY here entered the House, and the noise con-
sequent thereon drowned the last sentences of the Noble
Lord.

EARL GREY RESTORED.
Earl GREY—I beg to move, that this House, at its
rising, do adjourn to Thursday next. I make this motion,
in consequence of having received a communication from
his Maj-sty, which makes me think it will be conve-
nient that we should adjourn till Thursday next.
The LORD CHANCELLOR then put the question.
that this House do now adjourn.
Lord KENYON—Are we, the House and the country,
to understand, from the statement of the Noble Earl, that
the Noble Earl and his colleaxues are to continue Ministers ?
Earl GREY—I trust that the Noble Baron and the
House will see the propriety of my not entering into fur-
the- explanation. I have stated that I have had a com-
munication with his Majesty. Of course the House will
understand that in the present state of public affairs, that
communication is consequent upon my resignation. It is
impossible for me to enter into any explanation, inallinuch
as nothing has
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seems so anxious to hear, viz., that it is decided that his
Majesty's Ministers are to continue in (Alice. I have only
to state that under the peculiar circumstances of the case,
it does appear to me convenient that this House should
adjourn.

Lord KENYON—After the explanation of the Noble
Earl, I think, and I am sure the House must think, that
it would be most unreasonable in me to attempt to draw
inytbing further from him.
Eirl GREY—I beg the Noble Lord will not misunder-
stand me. I only stated that I had had a communication,
but as yet it has had no consequence.

The LORD CHANCELLOR—The Nob!e Lord must

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admil that it Was going rather far to ask, in a manner,
one of the King's Ministers what was the nature of
a communication—a confidential communication—from
his Majesty, to one of his servants, for my Noble
Friend, although be has tendered his resignation,
and though that resignation has been graciously
received by his Majesty, is still, in point of fact, in the
service of his Majesty. But I rise chiefly to prevent the
possibility of any misunderstanding occurring in conse-
quence of what has dropped from the Noble Baron, who
seemed to think that the second statement of my Noble
Friend gave information which his first did not. Now
attended most carefully to my Noble Friend's statement,
and this I will say, that if I had heard nothing more
than the Noble Baron and the House at large had
gathered from my Noble Friend's first state•
meet, I should not have been made to know more
Eby his second statement; for what my Noble Friend
said the first time was not made a whit more specific by
what he said the second time. All that my Noble Friend
said was, that he had received a communication from hi.
jegty (of course every one must know under present cir-
cumstances to what that communication has reference),
but that it had had no consequence and might have no con-
sequence.

Lard SALISBURY—The Noble and Learned Lord on
the Woolsack is in error, it he supposes that we gained no
information from the Noble Earl's second statement, for
we learnt from it that the communication he bad received
from his Majesty has been followed by no consequence.—
(A laugh.)
The House during the whole of the above conversation
was perfectly silent, with the exception of the instant when
Lord Grey first announced the fact of receiving a commu-
nication from his Maj'sty, when there was some slight
cheering; but their Lordships were evidently prepared for
the announcement.

The Duke of WELLING row was not present.
Adjourned ttt a Quarter to Six.

HOUSE OF COMMONS, Mir 13.

The gallery was not opened until twenty minutes past
four o'clock, in consequence of Mr. Home's motion fur a
call of the House, in order that he might bring forward a
motion relative to the state of the country standing for this
evening; but at the time it was understood that the call
was postponed until to-morrow. It was confidently be-
lieved that the postponement was in conseqnence of the
negotiations now pending for the return of Earl Grey and
his colleagues to office.
OUTRAGE ON THE BISHOP OF LICHFIELD.
THE MINISTRY.

Mr. Alderman WAITHNIAN rose to present a petition
from the parish of St. Bride, in favour of the Reform Bill,
and praying the House not to grant any supplies until that
Bill passed into a law. The Hon. Member, in allusion to
the outrage on the Biahop of Lichfield and Coventry, at
St. Bride's Church, last Sunday, stated that he was
sorry to say a great deal of disorder and confusion
to.,k place up in that occasion—(Hear, bear)—and
also that some pains had been taken to misrepresent
the circumstances in order to implicate the friends of Re-
foi m. He had made every inquiry of the chuichwardena
and other respectable inhabitants, and he found that a
number of individuals asaeinb'ed, and created some disor-
der, but none of the parishioners took any share in it
whatever.—(Hear.) The parishioners, On the contrary,
conducted themselves in the best possible manner. Three
persons had been taken into custody, one of whom—the
ringleader—turned out not only not to be an inhabitant of
the parish, but not even of the city of London.—(Hear.)
Having stated thus much, he begged to say, thin petition
bad been got up in a hurry, but at a very large meeting,
and was signed only by the churchwarden. He knew al-
most all the residents of the parish, a great many of whom
had formerly been against Reform ; but if he were called
upon now to give his opinion, he knew of no one respec
t ble person in the parish, who was not a strenuous sup.
porter of the Reform Bill.—(Hear.) His colleagues had
mane petitions from other parts of the city, and he believed
there was not a ward or parish in the city of Lon-
don in which the same sentiments did not prevail.
It was their conviction that it was impossible to carry a
Bill of Morin which would he satisfactory to the public
if a change in the Administration to.l I I.ce.—(Hear.)
He would forbear from stating any thing of an irritating
nature, but he trusted before the House parted this evening
they would have an a,urance that every thing would be
conducted in a manner satisfactory to the country.—
(Ile While on his legs, he begged to state to the
House that he had another petition to present of treater
importance than the other one : it was from the greatest
commercial bodv in the kingdom, except that of London,
he meant the town of Liverpool, and it hart been put into
his hands by the Hon. Member (Mr. Ewart) for Liver-
pool-, who was afraid be might not have an opportunity of
presenting it to-night, and it was of the utmost import-
ance that its presentation should not be delayed. It was
agreed to at one of the largest Meetings ever held in that
town, and it breathed a most determined spirit in favour
of the Bill. He then moved that the petition from St.
Bride's should he brought up and read.
Mr. LITTLETON felt great satisfaction at the vindi-

cation by the worthy Alderman, of his constituents in St
Bride's parish. The proceeding alluded to was one of a
most disgraceful nature. He (Mr. L.) had had the good
fortune to reside within the diocese of the Bishop of
Lichfield and Coventry, and all persons agreed in repre-
senting that Prelate to be a person of moat pious, bene-
volent, and exemp'ary character, and indeed a model of
unaffected piety. There was not an individual in the
House of Lords of his order who was less disposed to lend
himself to political intrigue, or who valued his seat in that
House less than he did fur the political power it conferred
on him.—(Hear.)
Mr. HUME was anxious to say that while he differed
with the Bishops, and their interference in temporal mat-
ters, he considered the proceeding reerred to as improper.
If persons who committed that outrage were reformers, they
disgraced themselves, and sure he was, that if they wished
to see the institutions of the country renovated, still it
should be done in a constitutional manner, and not by
violence or force.—(Hear.) He hoped there would be
no more examples of this kind ; hut although he was
aware that many did not think as he did, yet he thought
that great allowance ought to be made for popular feeling.
There was, however, in his opinion, so much of intelli-
gence abroad, and so much of influence, that such pro-
ceedings would be altogether prevented.
Sir E. SUGDEN was not surprised at what had oc-
curred from the violent speeches made at public meetings.
(Hear.) It was true that the people were told not to re-
sort to violence, but it was in such language that they
were in fact shown how to act violently.—(Hear.)
Mr. D. W. HARVEY said it was very well for Hon.
Members to talk about preventing any ebullition of popular
feeling-, but it should be recollected that the thing which
should have been considered was to have abstained from such
acts as tended to irritate the people.—(Cheers.) It was
because there was so mock just ground for indignation,
that they were occasionally led to trespa,s over the
tlir,sbold of propriety—(Hear)—and while he con-
demned such proceedings as had taken place at St. Bride's
Church, still it ought to be considered as some indication

of popalar feeling. If the proposition to increase the
Members of the House of Lords was
_a proposition to be
dreaded, it would be as well to decrease the number y
the number of the Bishops, as a means of inducing them
to confine themselves to their holy calling.—(Hear.)
Mr. BANKES said the Honourable Member who bad
just sat down had grounded the effusion which he had

presented to the House on a mistatement of the fact.
He assumed that the congregation had risen against their
pastor, whereas from the statement of the Worthy Alder-
man not one of the parishioners took part in the proceed-

rrgs. That Worthy Alderman bad taken the pairis, much
to his credit, of investigating the circumstances of the
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ease, and he stated as the result of his inquiries that the par_
ties who had been apprehended were entire strangers to that

part of the City. Therefore there was no groundwork for
the effusion which the Hon. Member (Mr. Harvey) had
so unnecessarily obtruded on the House. There could be
but one feeling—unless that Hun. Member was an excep-
tion as to the scandalous conduct of the persons who,
lie trusted, were aot p Lrishioners or Englishmen (though
sure he was they were not Christian men) who took a
part in that disgraceful proceeding.—( Hear.) As to
whether the Peers ought or ought not to be diminished in
number, he would not follow the Hon. Member ; but he
believed he would find very few to concur in the
opinions
which that Honourable Member had broached.
Hear.) But if he wished to justify the act and to
say that a Reverend Prelate, distinguished for his
moral and religious virtues, for giving a conscientious vote,
ought to be su+cted to outrage, he would remain single
in his opinion. He would take this opportunity of advert.
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to the motion for a call of the House. That Hou. Mem-
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her had said that he should postpone his motion for a call
had recalled Lord Grey and his colleagues to his Councils.
Whatever might be the course in proceeding to that,
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would have been fit that the Hon. Member for Middle-
sex should have abstained from any such remarks as tho.e
he bad made, whatever might have been his private feel.
ing : it would have been better for his Sovereign, for
whom be had no doubt the Hon. Member had as great an

affection as he had, and it would have been better lor tla
country.
Mr. GILLON thought that those who had adopted pre
ceedings like those referred to in the petition were
worthy the name of Reformers, as he felt convinced ne
person having the interest of Reform at heart would base
so acted.
Mr. Alderman HUGHES wished to make a few o' -
servations. It would be in the recollection of the House
that a similar petition to the one now under discussion ha
been presented from the Common Coancil of the City of
London. The public were not admitted during the debut,
on that petition, but some person had furnished the press
with a report of the speech which he teas said to have
made on that occasion; that speech stated him to have re-
presented that all the Aldermen present, six in number,
had stated that they should vote against the petition. Now
he was in the judgment of the House whether that statemerd
was correct. What he had stated was, that to that part of the
petition which went to the refusal of the supplies, all the
Aldertn-n present, of whom he was one, di,f tibtect. lie
had stated that it was absurd and unjust to withhold sup
plies from an Administration, the members of which were
not known to the House, nor their measures. It ap-
peared to him by such a step, according to the reports that
were now current—and he hoped to hear those repo: t.
authenticated that night--they should be refusing supplit s
to the same Administration to whom the country was se
much indebted for bringing forward the Reform Bill.—
( Cheets.)
Colonel DAVIES said, if an Administration was
formed tinder the auspices of the Duke of Wellington, be
should he one of the first for withholding the • u plies, till
a full and efficient Reform had been carried. He trusted
the report was true that the Duke of Wellington had
given up all thought of formiag an Administration, and
that his Majesty had determined to receive again into his
Councils those Ministsrs who had done so much for their
country, as he should be very sorry to see the Reform
Bill taken out of their hands.
After some observations from Mr. HUNT and M .
Alderman WarrnataN, the petition was ordered to lie
printed. The Hon. Member then presented a similar pe-
tition from Liverpool.
Mr. EWART felt thankful to his lion. Friend
for presenting the petition for him which he had
done. It was agreed to at one of the largest meetings that
had ever taken place at Liverpool, in which the spirit of
Reform had been continually increasing.
Mr. HUME trusted the House would excuse him for
making a few observations. Conciliation he was in hops
was now about to take place, and be trusted, therefore,
that Hon. Members would rofrain, till further information
was before the House, front discussing the all-important
topics which had occupied their attention so much that
evening. He had, he said, ❑o lose than fourteeen petitions
of a nature similar to the two presented ; but he should
withhold the presentation till the reports which were in
circulation were either confirmed or denied. Report said
that Lord Grey had seen his Majesty.—(Loud Cheers.)
If that were true he hoped mutual conciliation would take
place,and he therefore trusted that Gentlemen who had pe-
titions to present, of the number he had adverted to, would
hold over until something more definite were known.
Sir E. SUGDEN did not know whether the Hon. Mem
her for Aliddlesex was or was not the organ of the Govern-
ment which was not now in its place, but it was his wish
now that no violent petitions should be presented, because
forsooth, it might hurt his :Majesty's Ministers.—(Cheers
front the Opposition. )—hut when it was a question whe-
ther it was the intention of :;:. Majesty to change the Go•
vernment, no NleMber of that House was more forward in
advocating the presentation of such petitions than the Hon.
Member himself. He (Sir E. Sugden) found no fault
with Hon. Members for expressing their feelings strongly
in behalf of Reform, but he could not but complain of
Hon. Members not adopting the same course, when his
Majesty had a Whig as when he proposed to have a Tory
Administration.
Mr. HUME rose amidst loud cries " of Question!" He
should have been excee 'ingly sorry to have introdeced
anything which had made an improper use of his Ma-
jesty's name. If there had been any alteration in his man-
ner, he could assure the Hon. Member that alteration
had been made for the purpose of calming the agitation of
the Hon. Gentleman.—(Cheers and laughter.)
Mr. BARING stated, that the commission for the for-
mation ofa.:Government by the Duke of Wellington was en-
tirely and completely at an end, and he trusted that
the arrangements which would now be made would
meet with the approbation of all parties, and
would terminate in the benefit of the country.--
(Hear, hear.) It had bees generally supposed that
the Duke of Wellington had actually accepted office from
the King ; that l:e_was•most anxious to state was not the
fact : he had been merely intrusted by his Majesty with
the formation of a Ministry, under the circumstances in
which the country was placed.
RECALL OF EARL GREY.
Lord ALTHORP rose, amidst the most tremendous
cheers, which lasted for some minutes. When order
had been in some degree restored, the Noble Lord
stared, that it had been his intention, as soon at
he possibly could, to have stated for the information of
the House, that Earl Grey had received a communication
from his Majesty that day, and therefore it was his in-
tention to suggest to the House the propriety of adjourning
at its rising to Thursday.—(Loud Cheers.) Ile entirely
concurred with what had been stated by lion. Members,
that it would be most desirable under the present circum-
stances of the country, that gentlemen should be good
enough to abstain from discussion, which could have no
other effect than that of exciting feelings of insurrection
in the country.
Lord PORCHESTER begged to explain on behalf of
his Noble relative (Earl Carnarvon), that that Noble
Earl never stated in the other House that an Administra-
tion had been formed, but only that it was in the act of
formation.
Mr. Alderman WAITHMAN wished to congratulate
the House—(Here the noise and confusion in the House
occasioned by great numbers of Members le tying their
seats, was so great, that the worthy Alderman was
obliged to desist, and for some time no business wha
ever was done: at length.)

Sir J. C HOBECOUSE moved that the House at its
rising do adjourn until Thursday._

Mr. HUME moat sincerely hoped and trusted that
whatever arrangement was now made would be
final and permanent—(Cheers) and that means, all the
means which were necessary, would be afforded to his
Majesty's Ministers to carry the measure of Reform
speedily into effect.—(Cheers.) He said this because he
was one who, for many months, had dreaded the event
which had actually taken place--he meant the refusal of
the King to follow the advice of his honest and straight-
forward Ministers. His fears, he acknowledged, had
arisen from certain individuals most improperly be-
ing allowed to remain in certain situations.—(Cheers.)
This was a point which was highly important, not only
to the immediate tranquillity of the country, but to the
ultimate and permanent welfare of all classes of his Ma-
jesty's subjects.—(llrar.)
Mr. TENNYSON said he could have wished that his
Hon. Friend (the Member for Middlesex) had abstained
from the observations he had just made. He had under.
stood his Hon. Friend in particular to recommend that
every thing should he avoided likely to excite irritation,
yet he now touched on topics which must create unplea-
sant feelings in a high quarter. Nothing could be so
painful to him (Mr. Tennyson) and he was coat lent also
to his Noble and Right Honourable Friends near him, and
to the country, as that the event which hail just been an-
nounced should be considered as placing his Majesty in a
state of submission and subjection to any party.—(Hear,
hear.) He trusted that before a few days had elapsed,
those whe had regretted that the advice tendered to him
by the Government, for an extensive creation of Peers,
had not been adopted by the King, would Ise grateful to
his Majesty for having declined to administer such a shock
to the Constitution, for a shock it would undoubtedly have
been.—(Hear, from the Opposition.) Although he (Mr.
T.) as a thorough Reformer, would not have hesitated to
give that advice to the King had he been a Cabinet Minis-
ter, in case no other means of effecting an extensive Re-
form ()faired themselves ; yet, if it should turn out that
his Majesty, who was undoubtedly hound to ascertain
that no other means did exist before he resorted to such a
course, had discovered those means, and that without
any shock to the institutions of the country, an extensive
and perhaps a more beneficial and popular Reform should
be the result of such modifications as might now be intro-
duced, he repeated that the country, and his Majesty's
Ministers amongst the rest, would be deeply gr tteful to
him for the sound discretion with which he had rejected
their counsel. No man could doubt the paternal wi-lies
of his Majesty to do all in his power to meet the wishes
of the people, but if possible, without doing any violence
by means of his prerogative to the institutions of the country,
and he was therefore pained lest the observations of his
Non. Friend (Mr. Hume), intimating a hope that Peers
might still be created, and that other measures might be
taken, should give the impression that the Reformers were
now acting as if they had obtained a victory over the opi-
nions and feelings of the King.—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. RUTHVEN entirely assented to the proposition
for the adjournment of the house.
Ctd. SIBTHORP rose to address the House, but was
inaudible in the gallery.
Mr. HODGES had a number of petitions to present,
hut in the circumstances which had occurred, he did not

feel it his duty to trouble the House at present with the
presentation of them.
Sir H. HARDINGE requested the permission of the
House to notice a paragraph in the Times newspaper,
and to ask the Hon. and Learned Member for Caine
whether the expressions he had made use of were those
which were attributed to him in that Journal? The
words that his Learn d Friend had made use of,
iccerdinz to the report in that Paper were, " The
Right Honourab'e Gentleman must be aware that the
use of swaggering expressions in that place, was a very
equivocal proof of spirit as well as of sense !" Now, accord-
ing to the conetruction of this sentence and the context
the inference that would be drawn from the words was,
!hat his lion. and Learned Friend hail attributed these swag.
goring expressions to hint, although he must sty, that
at the time he had looked upon them in a very
different light.—( Hear, hear.) It was, therefore, his wish
in the roost coutteous manner to ask the Hon. arid Learned
Gentleman whether the words which were attributed to
him, in their connexion were meant by him to convey the
application to him (Sir Henry Hao.inge).
Mr. MACAULAY begged leave to say that while he
could not speak exactly to words, )et in the presence of
those who bad heard him, he distinctly disclaimed ail per-
sonal application of the words to the Hon. and Gtllant
Member.—(Cheers from all parts of the House.) All he
meant to state why, that he (Mr. M.) did riot mean to swag-
ger in that House, but that he seeing the Hon. Gentleman
in great excitement and considerable warmth, thought
he was justified in openly, man'ully, and honestly discuss-
ing the principles and character of a public man. Cheers.)
Sir R. PEEL entirely confirmed from his recollection
of the speech, the construction which the Hon. and
Learned Member now put on the purport of the language
he had used.—(Hear, hear.)
Sr HENRY HARDINGE considered the
explanation pethctly satisfactory, hut at the same
time the House would see that the explanation
and the report of his speech were quite incongruous.
With regird to his own warmth last night, he must say,
considering the rt lations in which he stood to theNobleDulc,
considerable latitude should be allowed to him when
hypothetical insults were offered to his Noole
who, whatever his party feelings might he, should Ix! reve-
renced by all Englishmen.

Mr. I'ORTMiN begged to state to the House that he
was not the individual of that name who nad spoken at
a meeting in the parish of St. Marylebone the other
d‘iy. lie had made it an invariable rule never to attend a
meeting out of his county convened on political oce talons,
having, as a Member of that House, always an opportu-
nity of st +ting his political opinions there.
On the motion i f Lord AI.THORP, Committees had
leave to sit, notwithstanding the adjournment of the
House.

The Juries in India Bill w nt through a Committee,
and the- other Ordera of the Day were fixed for Thursday
and Friday.

NEW WRIT.
A new writ was ordered for Appleby in the room of
Lord Tufton, now Earl of Thanet.
Ackiurned at a Quarter before Sir.