The Sun.
London, England, 1859-07-27 00:00:00

PNEUMATIC DESPATCH BILL

Mr. C. FORSTER moved that Standing Order 203 be
suspended in the case of the Pneumatic Delpatch Company
Bill, and that the bill be read a second ti a to-morrow.—
Agreed to.
TACITMSIIIN EMBANKMENT BILL.

On the motion of Mr. WHALLEY the following was
agreed to :—That Standing Order 201 be suspended in the
ease of the Tacumshin Embankment Bill, and that it be an
instruction to the committee of selection to appoint the
committee on the bill to sit and proceed on Friday.
CHURCH RATES ABOLITION BILL.

On the motion for going into committee on this bill,
Sir J. TRELAWNY said he hoped the hon. member
(Mr. Newdegate) would not move his amendment which
was on the paper until after the house went into committee,
as it would be adopting an unfair course with reference to
he bill.
Mr. NEWDEGATE said that he could not accede to
the wishes of the hon. baronet, as he would not be able to
move his amendment in committee. He would, however,
vary the terms of his motion, as it could not, from the hour
of the day, be fully discussed. The hon. member then
moved the following amendment :—" That this house will
to-morrow resolve itself into a committee, to consider the
propriety of establishing in lieu of church-rates, thence-
forth to be abolished, a charge on all hereditaments, in
respect of the occupancy of which church-rates have been
paid within the last seven years ; such charge to be levied
with the county rate at a uniform rate of poundage, the
occupier being in all cases entitled to deduct from his rent
the amount of the charge levied on his occupation, which
shall be paid to the Governors of Queen Anne's Bounty,
who shall be empowered to receive and administer the same
for the purposes of church-ratas ; and further, to consider
the propriety of constituting the incumbent and church-
wardens of every parish or district a corporation, having a
right to claim from the Governors of Queen Anne's Bounty
in each year a sum equal to one year's charge on such
parish or district, which they shall be empowered to re-
ceive and to administer, with the concurrence of the
vestry, and under due supervision, as well as to
any receive and administer any monies subscribed, or
church-rates,
given, for the purposes of
-r.ates, or in commutation of such charge."
He considered that in a number of cases the voluntary pri-
ciple entirely failed, and they should not impose an addi-
tional burden
on it ty withdrawing an ancient and neces-
sary impost. lie predicted that l• f the present bill were
passed additional encroahments would be made on the insti-
tutions of the country and great constitutional alterations
effected.
Mr. DODSON hoped that the house would not accede
to the motion of the hon. member who hadjust addressed
the house. If they wanted to
sys-
tem for the preservation of the fabric
an organised
rc of the church they
should leave it to the parishioners themselves whether they
would or would not pay the rate.
Lord HENLEY said the proposal m
objectionable than permanent
Charge by the hon.
member for North Warwickshire of
charge on the occupier was more
might, re
the present system. He believed, from the state ofup even
feeling and the votes of the house, that the,
ference to this measure, exclaim with the reformers of 1832-
" the bill, the whole bill, and nothing but the
(Cheers.)
Sir 3. TRELAWNY replied. He repeated the state_
milt he frequently made, that his object in bringing for-
ward the bill was to put an end to the agitation that pre-
vailed in regard to church-rates, a result which all Ahat
admit would be most desirable. He thought that any per..
son acquainted with human nature must feel satisfied that
if the church possessed the affections of the people it
le would
not suffer from the operation of the voluntary princip.
Sir M. FARQUHAR would not support any measure
for the abolition of church-rates which did not provide
substitute. As there was a committee of the other house at
present engaged in investigating this subject, he thought it
would be better to postpone the further consideration of the
question until they were in possession of the evidence
which had been taken before that committee. He sug-
gested therefore that the hon. baronet should postpone his
bill till next session. (Cries of Oh, oh.)
The house then divided, and the numbers were—
For the moti')n for going into committee 191
Against 99
Majority
The house then went into committee.
Lord J. MANNERS appealed to the hon. baronet (Sir
J. Trelawny) not to p further with his bill. There