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I. CORPORATIONS-SOLE.

Gross

1. The annual revenue of the con-
tinuing and Suppressed Saes appears,
by the report oft he Eceesiastical Re-
venue Commissioners, to amoun to
(see Ist Report, pages 4', 42)... .£151,n .£l_'B,BoB7 12 4or L:18,808 8 3
N.B. The principal sources of this
revenue arise from rents reserved by
lease and annual renewal of tines;
but the true mount of Episcopal re-
venue is even greater than is above
stated, as it appears, from the Coin.
missioners' Report, that there are 213
tenants under the Sees, boding fir
terms of 21 years, wficsa annual re-
newal lines are nit included.
2. The income arising from glebe
1.01.1 s amounts, annually, to ' 92,000 0 0 80,000 0 0
Deducting the
reserved rents
and expenses
of collection.

3. The income arising from minis-
ters' money, amounts annually to ... 10,t00 0 0 9,500 0 I
4. The income arising from F.c- deducting r/
el, siastical Tithe Compositions per cent. for
i. £535,0.0 0 0 collection.
_ _

of which there belongs
to Archbishops and .
Bishops, and to corpo-
rations aggregate, held
either in their, own
hands or let to tenants
at reserved rents '3,218. 5 5
531,781 14 7 505,1!;2 11 10
deducting
per cent. for
collection.

£7e4.909 611

£73,493
.1 1

11. CORPORATIONS—AGGREGATE.
L The income belonging to Deans
and Chapters, as a common estate,
amount: to

1,042 11 5 928 0 2

2. Ibe income arising from eco
ninny estates, and befogging to Deans
and Chapters, is 11,055 14 7 10,592 18 In
3. The income arising from estates
of Mir.or Canons and Vicars Choral,
is 10,5`510 5 9,999 13 6

X 807,513 12. 4 .£744,916 13 7
• The difference between this sum and 45,0001., the gross amount of
tithe compositions belonging to these corporations, is Enjoyed at present
by their lessees under existing leases.
To this account was to be added the item of 5,500/., being
the amount of rents received in houses and lands. and of an.
nual renewal fines payable to dignitaries and prebendaries as
such. Now since that income had been allotted to the uses
of the Church, he would inquire, in order to put it to the
test of its working—to the test of its utility, and of all on
which its desirableness as an establishment was founded, and
in which alone it could be justified—what had been the result
with reference to the growth of the conforming and the dis-
senting population? His Noble Friend the Member for
Northumberland (Lord Howick) in his most able speech of
the previous night, had quoted the proportions which had ob-
tained at different times between the Catholic and Protestant
population throughout Ireland ; he (Lord Morpeth) had those
proportions at various periods drawn out in detail, and if the
House desired, he would read a statement of them.—(Cries
of " Read, read!") The Noble Lord then read the following
statement of the proportions of Protestants to Catholics in
the several dioceses of the two periods of 1766 and 1834.
1766. 1834.
Armagh ..
lil-sth.l
Derry
Down and Connor ... 10 2 2-3 d
Drtimore
Raphoe 1 1 1-sth
Kildate 1 3i
Kilmore, Ardagh 1 44 ... 1 6
Cashel
• Cork and Ross 1 5
Cloyne
Elphin
Killaloe 1 9
Killalla
Tuam
But during the whole period which had elapsed in the inter-
val, had the supplies of the Church remained stationary ?—had
they languished ?—had there been no " feeders" to it—to use
again the term which had so forcibly rivetted itself in the
memory of the Right Hon. Baronet from the time that he
(Lord Morpeth) had employed it in a speech which he had
formerly addressed to the House.—(Hear.) It had been
stated, he believed by his Right Honourable Friend the
Chancellor of the Exchequer, that for Churches built by Par-
liamentary aid since 1800, the country had paid 415,1851.
For those which had been built in the eighteenth century

61,5801. had been paid. Of glebe-houses 480 had been built
since 1800 at a cost of 326,881/. ; in the eighteenth century
163 had been built at a cost of 16,775/. Glebe lands had
been purchased within 50 years at a cost of 61,487/. ; so that a
sum of 920,900/. had been applied in the eighteenth century
and since 1800 to the service of the Church, in addition to its
annual income. What, then, was the state of things which
these facts presented, but that of a constantly increasing
Church property, with a progressively diminishing Church
population 2—( Loud cheers.) With such a state of things
existing, he could hardly dread the title of spoliation as ap-
plied to him in his attempt to remedy it ; and he must con-
-fess that he did not consider it as an objection to the mea-
sure which the Government bad brought forward, that it
did effect a great change. Of course, if he did not think
that change to be at the same time an improvement, he
should not support it, nor recommend it; but the mere cir-
cumstance of its being a considerable alteration in no way
inspired him with any distate towards it.—( Hear, hear.)
He knew well how greatly he differed from the Noble Lord,
and how greatly the House too differed from the Noble Lord
on the general question of appropriation—the resolution of
April last spoke for that ; and he confessed that, with all his
exalted and unfeigned respect for the very high abilities and
the not less high and slitning character of his Noble Friend,
after having once heard him declare, in his place in Parlia-
ment, in so many plain words, and with .a grave face, that if
every Protestant were swept from the face of the land, not
even in that case was he prepared to depart from his prin-.
ciple of non-appropriation—( Loud cheering)—he must own
that all hope of realizing that object of his ambition—an
agreeinent with his Noble Friend—had departed from him.
—(Renewed cheering.) In the Bill before them the seques-
tration or suspension of parishes was limited to places in which
the number of Protestants was under 50 ; but his Noble
Friend wished for no such limitation in his suspending
machinery. He found by a return laid before that House
that one of the eight benefices which had been suspended
under the Noble Lord's mensure, Erry Rectory, in the diocese
of Cashel and the county of Tipperary, contained no fewer
than 53 Protestants. Here, however, he must own that his
own return rather failed him, for in that he found the Pro-
testant population of the benefice of Liicleary, in the
county and diocese of Cork, to be set down at thirty.
He looked at the return of the Public Instruction Com-
missioners and found it there set down at 83 ; and he ac-
cordingly began to suspect that a case of partiality was
thus made out against those Commissioners, though in the
opposite direction to that in which it is imputed to them by
Gentlemen on the other side. Observing, however, that the
number of members of the Established Church in Liscleary
was returned as amounting to eighty-six in 1831, and to
eighty-nine in 1834 • and that this return was confirmed by the
statements given of the entire population cf the diocese, that
in the return which he now possessed giving the number 1,410,
whereas, in the return of 1821, 2,807, and in that of 1834,
2,909 were respectively given ;—he thought that it must be
obvious, that the Bishop who forwarded the return referring
to the esent period, had computed the number of families in-
stead of the number of heads in the Protestant population of
the parish. At all events, if the return of the Public Instruc-
tion Commissioners were correct, an appointment to a church
had been suspended under the act of his Noble Friend, in a
parish containing eighty-three members of the Church Esta-
blishment. Then as to the 51. stipend, the announcement of
which, when first made to the House, was received in sn marked
a manner, it now turned out that however well calculated that
proposal may have been to excite amusement, it could not lay
claim to the charm of novelty.—( Hear.) For it appeared by
the same return which announced the suspension of eight be-
nefices nnder his Noble Friend's Act, that fur one of them, the
benefice of Came, the Ecclesiastical Commissioners had as-
signed a stipend of 41. to the incumbent of the neighbouring
parish.—( Cheers.) It should be borne in mind, that the Bill
before them, offered 51. when there was neither church nor
glebe-house, nor flock, nor duty. For Seskenan vicarage,
containing from twenty to for ty members of the Established
Church, they had assigned Si. as the payment to be given to
the neighbouring incumbents; in that of Killtevnan Rectory,
where the number of Protestants of the Established Church
was fourteen, they had also assigned 51., and the same amount
for Dunbyn Rectory, as well as for Erry Rectory, in which
the number was 53. There was another instance, not men-
tioned in the Return, but to be found in the Report of the
Public Instruction Commissioners, of a beaefice in the Pro-
vince of Leinster (we could not catch the name), in which
4/. had been assigned to the rector of an adjoining benefice.
Ile now came to the change which the measure effected in
Unions—a subject more complicated and difficult. The cir-
cumstances of these Unions were so very various—were in-
volved in so much difficulty, in respect both of the number of
their population and their existing condition, that be thought
it would be impossible to deal justly with the clergy who
were to fill the benefices which they composed, with the Pro-
testant flocks who were to be found within them, and with the
public whose interests they were bound to consult, if they did
not vest somewhere—(and if they vested it any where, surely
they ought to vest in the most high responsible quarter)—
that very large discretion of which his Hon. Friend the Mem-
ber for St. Alban's (Mr. Ward) had in his most impressive
speech made some complaint, but which the Right Hon.
13arenet had entirely overlooked. In his opinion the effect of
the 77th clause of this Bill must be, in the apprehension of
every man who gave it a fair consideration, to leave it at
the discretion of the Lord Lieutenant and his Council to take
into consideration all the circumstances of the unions, and
to deduct from them only such sums as they might think
proper—of course, if they thought proper, deducting nothing
at all. The Right Hon. Baronet had said, that he had
before him forty cases illustrating the effect of the measure
in reference to unions ; he selected, however, only three,
.be (Lord Morpeth) had no doubt that he selected them
with his "11 ~31 tact and discretion. The first was the
What was the case of this union, and
union of Dundalk. . s
what the recommendation o. yt- Commissioners re-
. n.
,of
spectinr, unions of parishes in regard to it.
Dundalk consisted only of 171. 16s. Bd., and the value of the
glebe land, which the Right lion. Baronet omitted, but
which is not material, was reported to be 681. ss. ; the tithes