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London, England, 1835-09-04 00:00:00

I establish a good system of police, but - let proper: notice
be given, and if a Bill was introduced early next Session, lice
wmild ratAt willingly glue his assent to it.
The Earl of LIMERICK opposed the Bill, but was
inaudible.
. Lord MELBOURNE did net collect from the letter of
the Lord Mayor that he iisapprovcd of this Bill. Witi, refer-
ence to the state of the Dublin police he would state a faci. -He
believed that the bash; of the Grand Canal was within the
limit of the circular road. In the course of last autumn
the Commander of the Forces made a representation of the
impropriety of continuing a military detachment to protect
the property of the Company. The Lord Lieutenant ordered
the soldiers to be removed, and the result was that great
depredations wore committed. i The Director of the Canal
applied to the Lord Lieutenant, and remonstrated against being
left to depend cii the police, and in spite of the representation
of the Commander of the forces, the detachment was orde, ed
back, and thus the military were doing the duties of the
police.
Lord WESTMEATH rose to address the House, but was
met by loud cries of " order" and " question," and spoke.
The Noble Marquis persisted, but--
Lord BROUGHAM rose to order, and moved that the
order be read against any Member speaking more than once.
—( Tremendous
.cheering from the Opposition Peers, vliielt

continued for some time.)
Lord WICKLOW—If this. had been done at the com-
mencement of the Session I should have hailed it as the
greatest blessing.—(Repeated cheering.)
Lord 13R.0 rise to speak to order.—(Great
laughter.) If it had been the commencement of the Ses-
sion, I should never have taken the objection.—(Cheers.)
It is because it is the end of the session, and that we have no
time for all the business. Before they had very little business
to do, and a {cleat deal of time, but now there was a great
deal of business, and no time io do it. The Orders of the
house were flexible.—(Cheers and laughter.)
Lord ASHBURTON thought the Bill ought not to be
pressed forward further during the present Session, as the
parties most interested had had no proper notice of the Bill.
Lord HOLLAND said, that the effect of the Noble Lord';
vote, if in a majority, would be, most undoubtedly,
to perpetuate till the next Session, the state- in which
the Dublin police at present. He admitted that no laws
should be passed, without fair and due notice being
to all :his Majesty's subjects-4 Hear, hear.) When
however tie looked at this Bill, he found that it had been
carried through all its several stages in the usual manner
and he should like to know what right any Corporation had to,
call upon Parliament to communicate with them.
ot.The Earl of HA DDINGTON contended that the Corpo-
ration of Dublin had a right to state their objections to the Bill.
:Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, but
Viscount DUNCANNON would not give their Lordships
the trouble of dividing.
The amendment that the Bill be committed that day six
months was then put and agreed to.
Tile Bill is consequently lost.
Lord BROUGHAM then arose to move the consideration
of the Commons amendment to the Patent Law Bill, and
was left speaking.

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

MUNICIPAL CORPORATION BILL.

Lord J. RUSSELL appeared at the bar with the Report
of the Committee appointed to draw up reasons for a Confc-
.rence with the Lords upon the Corporations Bill. Having
brought it up, he said if the House wished it he would have
no objections to have the reasons as set furth by the Com-
miace read by the Cerk.—(" No, no.") He then moved
that they be agreed to, and entered on the journals of the
House.

After a short conversation across the table between the
Noble Lord, Sir E. KNATcircuLL, and Mr. WYNN, the mo-
tion was agreed to.
Lord J. RUSSELL then moved that a message be sent to
the House of Lords, desiring a Conference with their Lord-
ships on the Municipal Reform Bill, which was agreed to ;
and the Noble Lord iveiat out to carry the message, followed
by nearly two hundred Meinburs.
There being no business before the House,
Mr. WARBUIZTON begged leave to present a petition
from Richard Taylor, one of the Corporation of London,
against the amendment of the Corporations Bid iviich made
it imperative upon Corporations to sell their Church pa-

tronage.
Lord J. RUSSELL again appeared at the bar, and said
the Lords agreed to hold the Conference desired by the House;
to be held presently in Committee-room No. 5.
The Conference Committee then withdrew, headed by`,Lorcl
J. Russell, carrying the Bill, and business was suspended.
After the lapse of an hour,
Lord J. RUSSELL again appeared at the bar and said,
the managers appointed by that House had held a Conference
wi:h the Lord President of the Connell and others; they had
delivered to them the reasons drawn up by the Committee,,
and had left. the Bill with their Lordships.
Mr. HUME presented a petition from the West India
merchants of Glasgow, complaining. that one-half of the
slaves in the Mauritius had been illegally imported after _the
trade had been abolished, and praying for inquiry before any
of the compensation-money was awarded to the proprietors in.
that island.

Sir G. GREY believed that no illegal importation had
taken placa after IS2O. There was a clause in the Compen-
sation Bill which prevented compensation from being,,granted
to any one who was proved guilty of illegal traffic in slaves.
Inquiry was now going on by Commissioners, from whose de-
cision an appeal lay to the 'King in Council. The time for
appeal had not yet expired, and therefore 11'. could give no in-
formation upon the subject.

Sir J. R. RE ID thanked the Hen. Baronet fur his explana-
tions, and was glad the Hon. Member for Middlesex had said
he was not acqoainied with the facts, for he could assure him
that a more unfounded statement had neve been made in a
petition to that 11011S3.
After a few words from Mr. BOIU. H WICK, the petition
was received.

The Report of the Committee on the Sessional Addresses
'as then brought up.
INSTRUMENTS OF SASINE BILL.

The LORD ADVOCATE moved the third reading of the
Instroments.of Saline Bill.
Mr. sTE WA RT proposed a verbal amendment, the pur-
port of which did not reach us.
The ATTORNE Y-G ENE R AI, thanked his Hon. and
Learned Friend the Lord Advocate for passing the Bill during
the present ession. Connected with Scotland by representa-
tion, he felt a lively interest in the meesure, and hoped it would
pass the other House.
An HON. IVIEmBr,n, whose name we could not ascertain,
moved that the House be counted, when there not being forty
Members preser.t, the House adjourned at Half-past Seven.

ROUSE OF LORDS, SEPTEm.--a:3.
IRISH CHURCH BILL•

Lord LYNDHURST, on preeJtang a petition, took occa-
sion to say that he had learned frith much surprise that Minis-
ters did not intend to vend down to the other House the Irish
Church Bill, beoaase they considered it .would not give satis-
faction to the majority there. He felt himself bound to condemn
such conduct, which must necessarily beget very great alarm
in the minds of the Protestant population in Ireland, leaving.
as it did the whole of the Irish Protestant clergy totally un-
provided for for another year.—( Hear.) He begged to state
that very great responsibility would rest upon the shoulders of
those who pursued such a course.—( Cheers.)
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE said the Bill which their
Lordships had rejected was one eminently calculated to en-
sure the Irish Church from the dangers which unfortunately
now surrounded it.—( Cheers.) If that healing measure had
been agreed to, it would have conferred the greatest benefits
on that Church. The Noble Duke well knew that some
such Bill was necessary. Why, then, say that those who sup-
ported the Bill were anxious for the destruction of the Church ?
It Noble Lords were anxious that the Bill as it now stood
should pass into a law, why did not some of them take up the
Bill and carry it down, and see bow the other House of Parlia-
ment would deal with it. He for one could not adopt any
otter mode of dealing with the Bill than that taken by the
Noble Viscount.

The Earl of RODEN nod the Earl of WICKLOW both
warmly condemned the conduct of Ministers in stopping the
proceedings on the Bill.

Lord BROUGHAM—If your Lordships are, I was going
to say excited, but I will say moved by the situation in which
you now are, I am sorry for you ; I am sorry for the painful
feelings you must now experience. But it is not my fault,
for just before the division I took leave to state, to lay before
you rather fully, the inevitable consequences of coming to
that vote which you appeared to me bent upon coming to.—
( Hear, hear, and a laugh.) I feel strongly for you now ; if
you had only felt as now at the right time—(hear, bear)_
before you did the deed—(a laugh)—like some other persons
in the same situation, you might have avoided it. After doing
the deed, persons in this situation are apt to throw blame
upon others. By such means they try to appease their con-
sciences, to quell the remonstrances of their bitter feelings
against their past misconduct.--4 Hear.) The attempt never
succeeds.—( A laugh.) The Noble Lords recommended his
Majesty's Ministers to carry the Bill in its present state to
the House of Commons, and to pass it there. It could not
be done.—( Hear, hear.) The Noble Lord opposite says as
in an answer to the unanswerable statement of the Noble
Marquis, and to the question, "Why don't you take up the Bill ?"
he says, " Oh, we cannot, but you ought ; it is the duty of a
Government to carry through its own measure." My Lords,
no man can more fully assent to that proposition than I do; it
has my plenary concurrence. It is the duty of any man, and
still more of auy Government., to carry through measures that
are measures of their own. But they are nut to carry through
measures of other people—( Hear, hear)—measures which they
disapprove of—( Hear, hear)—of whin they have distinctly
stated their disapproval in every stage—of which they. gave
notice of their disapproval, and of their intention to act on that
disapproval—( Hear, hear)—for not only I as an individual,
but my Noble Friends near me, and the Noble Viscount in
paitieular, gave you full notice on the subject ; he rose, as I
thought needlessly, just as you were going to divide, to
that if you came to the vote which he then foresaw, he
de-
clare
would not go on with the I3ill. But suppose be were to go on
with the Bill—not his own but your measure, a thing changed
as some would say a bad
iinnetalisuerne,urtsaiknign,gmfruotnillatoende,
i;air'et;feaentd not giving to the other—
suppose he Were to go on with it, does any man pretend to
say, who has read the 13i11 and seen the clauses which, you
have cut out, does any such man pretend to say that the
House which passed the reselntion pledging itself to carry
both parts at once, and not to separate them, would not at
once throw it out ?—( Hear, hear.) This is a matter of
substance, but then comes matter of form—for these clauses