The Sun.
London, England, 1832-05-11 00:00:00

few hours this meeting was held, at which upwards or
2,500 people attended, and this petition was the result.
So anxious was the feeling in that town, that itometliate'y
on the meeting's breaking up, a deputation was sent I fl
with the petition, which was intended for the hands of the
c..unty Members, but they happening to !nett with him
first had intrusted it to him, of which he felt very proud.
The King had in an ev:l hour delivered himself over to
some faction—some party, whether a man or a woman—
(Hear, hear)—he eared not, bat he claimed to himself
the privilege of a Member of the House of Com-
mons to tell the King that be could not remain the
Chief Magistrate of the country, supported only by a
boroughmongering faction and opposed to the peopl.. It
Parliament did not do its duty, the people would (1.,
theirs—if that House did not stop the supplies ; the
Chancellor of the Exchequer would soon find his coff,is
would no longer be supplied. A report had been going
round that that House was to be dissolved next week—he
would thank any Minister who would do so, for it would
give the people an opportunity of showing that they had not
known what the reaction, of which so much bad been heard
in that House, was. It would only be considered the act
of a madman, more especially if that man should he either
one of the Anti-Reform faction, or if he belonged to that
of the false and deceitful " Waverers."

Mr. HEYWOOD !supported the petition.
Mr. INNES rose to support the petition. Whilst he
had a seat in that House, be never would consent to give
a shilling of supply until the Reform Bill, in all its effi-
ciency had passed. He heard that the Duke of Wellington
was to be Prime Minister, and that Parliament was to be
dissolved on Monday, and that this country was to
be governed by a Military Government.—(Hear, hear.)
But if soldiers were sent against their fellow-countrymen's
swords, bayonets, and dungeone, could net c impel that
House to grant supplies. He did not wish that the
people of England should arm themselves, there would
be no need fur it.— (Hear.) Without a drop of blood
being shed they had the means of securing their own right
and liberties.
Colonel EVANS said be had come from one of those
meetings which the Hon. Member for Thetford denomi-
nated vulgar.
Mr. BARING disclaimed having used these expressions
wtth the application andmeaning ascribed to them.
Colonel EVANS said, that at the meeting he had at-
tended this morning, the proposition not to pay taxes in
money had been propounded, and never had any proposi-
tion meet with apparently a more hearty and determined
concurrence.—( Hear, hear ) Allusion had been made
to a great military chief being placed at the head
of Government ; the last act of that illustrious
person's government, about two years ago was the
preparing of a military force to be brought into
employment in the city of London. He earnestly hopes
that would not be amongst the first employments of
his Grace's Goverament should he unfortunately be placed
at the bead of his Majesty's Councils.
After a desultory conversation, in which Mr. HUME
and Mr. BR RING took part,
Mr. HUME stated, that he had been requested by
a deputation to support the petition, and after having
heard it read carefully, he entirely agreed with
them as to the measure they pointed out. He was
quite statisfied that, notwithstanding what the Hon.
Member for Thetford had stated, with respect to unnecessary
excitement and clamour that the country was in imminent
danger, and he was not one who thought the best friend to
the Sovereign, and the best protector of the Crown should
and ever to make it permanent by a military force, but by
establishing them in the hearts of true and loyal sub-
jects, and undoubtedly it was the duty of the Commons
of England receiving petitions, such as that now presented
by the Hon. Member for Preston to listen to their prayers,
and constitutionally to exercise that power which they
possessed of preventing such evil by refusing the Supplies.
Mr. DUNCOMBE was anxious to ask a question
in consequence of the excited state of the public mind, and
in consequence of reports extremely inju.ious to the poli-
tical consistency of that Right Hon. Baronet (Peel) hay-
ing gained circulation today. Precedents every one
knew, whether good or bad, in that House, were
extremely important. (Hear, hear.) 'The precedent
upon which he would go now, was htat of 1812, when
a question was asked of Mr. Ponsonby by Mr. Wortley.
He would ask the Right lion. lasronet the question in
the very words which Mr. Worley bait used on the let of
June, 1812—(A laugh)—when the new Administration
was being formed.—(Hear, hear.) Whether any
persons or person that morning did snake any
proposition to the Right Hon. Gent. or his friends to form
part of an Administration, and he or they give a refusal,
op personal grounds or on what ground? Secondly,
whether any one had existed upon him or his
friends for any pledge. He should state that a debate
had occurred whether Mr. Ponsonby should answer these
questions in which Mr. Wynne--(Hear, hear)—expra aged
his hope that the House would allow the answers to he
given, and also stated that during the administration of
Lord North such a course had been adopted. Lord
Castlereagh had also stated that although that might be an
inconvenient time for putting the questions, there could be
no objection to the principles of them standing to clear the
character and conduct of publie men. At:which Mr Ponsoby
rose and he (Mr,:Duncornlie) was willing to give the Right
Honourable Baronet the full benefit of his answer.
—" No person whatever, up to this morning,
has mace any proposal to the as to any gentleman whom
I have the honour to call my friend. In consequence of
the reports to which he had alluded, he begged leave
to ask these questions of the Hight Honourable Baronet
opposite. It was confidently reported that the Right
lion. Baronet, and those gentlemen who had opposed all
reform had accepted office under the Duke of Wellington,
and had given a pledge of granting some species of Par-
liamentary Reform.
Sir ROBERT PEEL was perfectly ready upon any
occasion to give an answer consistent with the due dis-
charge of public duty, but although the opinion of
Lord Castlereagh and others had been appointed,
he must always exercice his own discretion as to
what answers he should return to any questions that
might be. put. But questions put in the manner in
which the lion. Member had pnt hi., could always
command from him that c .urtey and attention whieb was
consistent wth public duty. He had no hesitation in stating
that be stood there in a private capacity, and the reports
referred to by the Hon. Member were entirely without
foundation. At the same time, he had not refused
office, because he bad received no communication
from his Majesty. It was sufficient to say he stood
there not in office but in a private capacity, and it was
because he thus stood in a private capsciry that he ven-
tured to entreat the House in the exercise of all its firm-
ness to exercise as much temper as possible. He had no
right to dictate or to suggest to any Member, how lie
should conduct himself, but as there was no one
in that House authorised to speak on the past of the
Crown, at least Members should abstain from adding to the
public excitement by the mention of vague rumours which
might be unfounded. He recommended Hon. Member
was, therefore, to shew as much forbearance as possible in
alluding to any such rumours.
Lord ALTHORP entirely coincided wi h the advice
given by the Right Hon. Baronet. It was truly said last
night that the House should put itself forward, and set
an example worthy to be imitated in the present state
of public affairs, and feeling astonished that he and his
colleagues were still legally responsible fur preserving the
peace of the countrj, he hoped that no expression
which could fall from any Member in that House, would
tend to increase the too much agitated state of the country.
Nothing would be so injurious to the success of the Reim m
measure as anything like an abolition of popular feeling
feeling that might led to bloodshed- It was his anxious
wish, therefore, to impress on all the absolute ne-
cessity and his hope that they would not infringe the
sacredness of the law.—(Cheers.)
Mr. JAMES explained, amidst great noise, in conse-
quence of the Members leaving the House he could not
hear what the Hon. Member said.

Mr. HUNT said, that after what he had heard upon
this petition, he must congratulate the Country upon the
change of feeling which bad taken place in that House
with regard to them. Formerly when meetings of the
people were spoken of they were called mobs, ragged radi-
cals, &c., but now because the Hon. Member fur 'Thetford
had used some expressions of the sort, he was called and
rightly called, to order, and an explanation required—this
was a change indeed. He, on account of these sign.,
thanked the men of Manchester for producing them. He
gave a new Government joy of their coining into offite
with a House of Commons attending to the petitions of the
nation.
Mr. WARBURTON was afraid that tho advice came
too late, for the greater part of the supplies were already
voted. The people had been advised to pay no attention
to the reports which were circulated, but he would
give other advice—he would say to them pay attention t.,
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disappointed them. If the supplies could not be stopped,i
the people had another remedy in their own hands,
they could refuse to pay the taxes ; and he for one
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declared that if another Government should be ap-
pointed in place of the present one, he woul,l