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MILITIA LAWS AMENDMENT BILL.

Lord RIPON moved the second reading of this bill, the
object of which was to abolish certain restrictions as to the
employment of the English and Irish militia in the United
Kingdom. In November next, if the law was not amended,
considerable inconvenience would arise ; and to obviate
such circumstances the present bill was proposed.
Lord STRATFORD DE REDCLIFFE rose, not for
the purpose of obstructing the progress of public
business, but to make a few observations on the
general state of the militia under existing acts. He
very much regretted that the militia ballot had been
suspended, as conscription in this country was not, and he
trusted never would be, allowed. It was of the highest
importance that the militia should be kept in the most effi-
cient and _ effective state, as the country was sur-
rounded by difficulties. It was quite true that in
the short compass of a single session we had passed
from war to peace, and it was also possible in
the period of recess to pass from peace to war, and
it might happen on a second occasion we might find it much
more difficult to maintain our neutrality, which had been
as successful as the first. The conference was about to
meet at Zurich, but of that our information was of the most
limited description. Looking towards France, which was
to be seen, we see a Sovereign wielding great power, but
the purposes for which that power would be applied it was
impossible at present to discover (as we understood the
noble lord. Looking at the position of our country he did
not think it was, and in the event of being called upon to
take part in any conference, it was of the highest import-
ance that England should be in a position, in order to be of
service to others, to exercise important influence. He be-
lieved thepresent Government would pursue a proper course.
It was the duty of the country to place the defences on the
most satisfactory footing, at the same time he trusted the
negotiations about to take place at Zurich would result in
a treaty which would eventually secure the future peace
of Europe.
Lord KINGSD OWN complained of the inadequate mea-
sures taken to secure men for the army, navy, and militia,
and contended that those services would never be placed
upon a satisfactory footing until the Government had
the power of having recourse to the principles of compul-
sory services.
Lord RIPON said the whole question of neutral defence
was under the serious consideration of the Government,
and during the recess noble lords might depend that the
utmost attention would be directed to the subject.
He did not, however, think, in a time of peace, it would be
expedient to have recourse to the ballot or any other com-
pulsory means to augment the forces of the country. The
ballot he looked upon as a great engine in time of
war, but if it was resorted to in time of peace
he thought it would be resisted to the utmost
and the effect would.be to render the military service of the
country highly unpopular. If noble lords left the whole
subject in the hands of the Government they would, he felt
assured, have no reason to regret the course they had
adopted.
The bill was then read a second time.

The following bills were read a third time and passed :
Galway Harbour and Port Act Amendment, Fishing Ves-
sels passing from the Nore, Westminster New Bridge, Im-
prisonment for Small Debts, Law Ascertainment Facilities.
Their lordships then adjourned till to-morrow at four
o'clock.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.—(Tres DAY.)
The SPEAKER took the chair at one o'clock.
PRIVATE BUSINESS.

The amendments to the following bills were considered
and agreed to :—Epping Railways, Norwich and Spalding
Railway, and Tendring Hundred Railway.
The following bills were read a third time and passed :
Liverpool Sanitary Amendment, Lucette's Estate Bill, and
'Robin's Estate Bill.

The Thames Watermen and Lightermen Bill was con-
sidered.

On the motion of Mr. MASSEY, the standing order 216
was suspended for the remainder of the session.

PONTEFRACT ELECTION.

Mr. BRIGHT presented a petition from Mr. Childers,
the unsuccessful candidate for Pontefract at the last elec-
tion. It appeared that there was only a difference of ten
votes between the petitioner and Mr. Overend, who was
declared duly returned at the close of the poll. A petition
was presented, but an arrangement was entered into be-
tween the parties, by which, in order to avoid the expense
of a scrutiny, which would cost about £5,000 or £6,000,
the questions raised in the petition were to be referred
to a member of the late Government. In consequence, how-
ever, of some difference between Mr. Overend and his agent,
and certain difficulties which the hon. member interposed,
that arrangement was not carried out although the petition
was withdrawn. He would move that the matter should be
referred to a select committee composed of members of the
general election committee.
The petition was ordered to lie on the table.
Sir G. GREY suggested that the petition should be
presented before the house was called on to pronounce
an opinion on a question which might affect the privileges
of the house. He thought the hon. member should have
had notice of this motion.

Mr. BRIGHT stated that notice had been given to the
hon. member last Friday.

After some discussion;
Mr. BRIGHT gave notice that he would bring on the
motion to-morrow. . _

Sir G. LEWIS suggested that the best course would be
to adjourn the debate.
Ultimately the motion was withdrawn for the present,
and the petition was ordered to be printed.
Mr.. BRIGHT gave formal notice of his motion for to-
morrow.

CONSOLIDATED FUND (APPROPRIATION)
BILL.
On the motion for the third reading of this bill,
Sir H. WILLOUGHBY and Mr. WILLIAMS made some
inquiries.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that
the bill was drawn in precisely the same form as that of
last year. If there had been any misappropriation of the
money voted for the expenses of the Duke of Wellifigton's
fnneral it must have arisen through mistake.
The bill was then read a third time and passed.
STAMP DUTIES BILL.
On the motion for the third reading of this bill,
Mr. HANKEY drew attention to the inequalities in the
imposition of the stamp duties in regard to probate, which
operated injuriously, and were calculated to lead to fraud.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said there
was no doubt some alterations might be made with benefit
general
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question duties,
involvedu tinequalities
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this period of the session.
The bill was thenread a
(No.
third time
BlLL.eandpassed.
CUSTOMS
This bill, as amended, was considered.
EAST INDIA LOAN BILL.

asobej
Mr. CRAWFORD said amended,
Mr. this
for India, and he still enter-
tainedteeing a loan
On the motion for consideringo formerlythis bill
country guaranteeing
He considered that the Chancellor
that objection.
of the Exchequer would practically fail if he endeavoured
debentures ; but he thought that
money might be borrow
in easy instalments
for the purposes of India, which
to obtain a pop° on
instalments by that country. He
hoped Parliament
might be repaid
would next session consider this impor-
tant subject.
Mr. VANSITTART wished to be informed if the hon.
member for Devonport had accepted the, office of resident
in India were completely exhausted, and consider-
Chancellor of the Exchequer in India. The powers of bor-
rowing
unstatesmanlike manner in
ing the sums for different. purposes of late years, he thought
they were acting in an
cavil-
ling about the money requisite for the necessities of India.
Mr. AYRTON said that Government had taken a most
extraordinary view of the relations of India to this country,
and be strongly, deprecated the course adopted in maintain-
ing abstract and useless principles of political economy to
India which cost this country no less than £10,000,000. He
considered they should settle the civil condition of India
before they_ proceeded to deal with the finances of that
country. He denounced strongly the centralising prin-
ciple that prevailed with Whig Governments in respect to
India, to which he traced the late mutiny, and which was
calculated to perpetuate discontent. He was also strongly
opposed to the establishment of what was called a local
European army in'lndia, which tended to excite sedition
and weaken the resourses bcth of India and England. It
appeared that Government had lost sight of the cost of
maintaining a European army in India, which might be
estimated at £lOO a year per man, and that expense was in-
curred merely to support that description of rule in India
which had already lasted too long. He alluded
to the evidence of Col. Green, an experienced officer, to show
that economy might be effected if they sent out only those
officers who possessed those qualities which were calculated
to secure the respect of the soldiers under their command
in India.
Col. SYKES said there was not the slightest foundation
for what the hon. and learned member for the Tower Ham-
lets (Mr. Ayrton) had said relative to the army in India.
He said it was proposed to raise £5,000,000, not for the
benefit of the India, but to spend in that country. There
was no doubt the greatest distrust in the money market
existed with reference to these Indian loans. In proof of
that he would draw attention to the following figures. The
4 per cent, loan of India was at 22 discount, the.
5 per cent. at 1 discount, although guaranteed for
15 years, h
and the 5i per cent., although
teed for 20 years, was also at a discount guayan-
He corAended
that the distrust which existed with reference to Indian
finance was produced by that administration, particularly
by the bill of 1854, which destroyed the confidence of the
natives, and the system in regard to dealing with finance
in India. That country should be regarded not as a colony
but a part of England, and all that was required to restore
public confidence was the adoption of the two talismanic
words " Imperial guarantee," in regard to raising any
money that might be required.
Mr. GLYN suggested the introduction of a clause in the
bill to enable the present holders of debentures to convert
the same from time to time into the new stock. That course
would not only relieve the debenture market, bat be pro-
ductive of other advantages, and if not adopted this session
he hoped that next year it would be carried out.
Sir E. COLEBROOK E objected to the adoption of an im-
perial guarantee, and called for a clear statement as to the
position which the hon. member for Devonport was to oc-
cupy in India.
Sir H. WILLOUGHBY wished for information with
reference to this appointment, and ho though they should
proceed with great caution. He also desired to be informed
in whose hands rested the power of charging the revenue of

Mr. W. WILLIAMS considered that the depressed state
of Indian finance was attributable to the extravagant ex-
penditure resorted to. He was opposed to this county
giving any guarantee for loans for India; and he believed
that, with proper management, the income in that country
would meet the expenditure. Ho strongly urged on the
Government the
India and other r treench enter reduction of the army in
sir C, WOOD said with reference to the question of an
imperial guarantee, it was deserving of consideration but
the Government was lot prepared to give any h:
such

rantee at present. With regard to the appointment
alluded to, he hoped his hon. friend the member for De-
vonport would be induced to accept it.
Mr. VANSITTART—Has he accepted it?
Sir C. WOOD—He has not. He believed that all would
agree that from the great commercial knowledge and gene-
ral ability of the hon. member for Devonport that he was
one of the best qualified in the country for the appoint-
ment, and he hoped to be able shortly to announce his
acceptance of it. The Governor-General and Council were
responsible for the expenditure in India, and whoever held
the appointment would be a member of that Council.
The bill was then read a third time.

On the motion that the bill do pass,
Mr. NEWDEGATE drew attention to some irregularitY
in the votes, which prevented them knowing accurately
when they would be required ; and he wished to know what
course would be adopted relative to the Charitable Trusts
Acts Continuance Bill, which stood on the order of the day
for second reading.
The SPEAKER having explained that when the house
met before two o'clock it adjourned till six o'clock.
Sir G. C. LEWIS said be would move the second read-
ing of the bill at the proper time.
MILITIA PAY BILL.
This bill was read a third time and passed.
CORRUPT PRACTICES PREVENTION ACT.

This bill was also read a third time and passed.
CHARITABLE TRUSTS !ACTS CONTINUANCE

BILL.
Sir G. C. LEWIS moved the second reading of this bill.
Mr. NEWDEGATE moved the adjournment of the
debate.

Sir G. C. LEWIS expressed a hope that the hon. mem-
ber would not press the amendment, which might have the
effect of protracting the session into next week.
Mr. NEWDEGATE withdrew the amendment, but gave
notice that, on the motion for going into committeee on the
bill, he would move that it be committed that day three
months.

The bill was then read a second time.
Some returns were ordered, and the house suspended sit-
ting at four o'clock till six o'clock.

The house resumed at six o'clock, and was
[LEFT SITTING.]

LONDON GAZETTE-(THIS EVENIYO

INDIA OFFICE, AUG. 8.
The Queen has been pleased to appoint Sir Thomas
Erskine Perry, Knt., to be a Member of the Council of
India.

FOREIGN OFFICE, AUG. 6.

MEMBER RETURNED TO SERVE IN THE PRESENT PARLIA•

IIENT.

Borough of Dartmouth—John Dann, of 37, Lowndes-
square, in the county of Middlesex, Esq., in the room of
Edward Wyndham Harrington Schenley, Esq., what
election has been adjudged void.
COMMISSIONS BY LORDS LIEUTENANT.
County of Fife—Sir James William Colvile, Knt., Sir
Peter Arthur Halket, Bait., Sir John trotter Bethune,
Bart., Sir Thomas Erskine, Bart., the Taord Loughborough,
Robert Cathcart, Esq., to be Deputy. Lieutenants.
County of Worcester—Edward Gresley Stone, Esq., to
be Deputy Lieutenant.
York—Sir Charles Henry Ibbetson, Bart., to be DeputY
Lieutenant.

Ist Regiment of King's Own Staffordshire Militia
—Thomas Howard Keelinge Fletcher, Gent., to be Ensign ;
John Hampden Gladstanes, Gent., to be Ensign.
8d Regiment of King's Own Staffordshire Militia--
Ensign Alexander William Radford to be Lieutenant, vie.
George Cole resigned.
Huntingdonshire Militia—The Honourable Henry
Stevenson Blackwood to be Lieutenant, vice Stephen Row-
land Woulfe, promoted.
Ist Devon Regiment of Militia—Alexander Ridgway to
be Captain, vice Rayer, resigned ; Thomas Welby North-
more to be Lieutenant, vice Ryde, resigned ; John Charles
David Agar to be Lieutenant.
Ayrshire Yeomanry Cavalry—Major George Jame
Campbell to be Lieut.-Colonel, vice Sir Charles Lamb, re-
signed ; Captain James Ogilvy Fairlie to be Major, vice
Campbell, promoted; Lieut. Robert Gairdner to be Captain,
vice Fairlie, promoted • Cornet Robert Morrice Pollock to
be Lieutenant, vice Gairdner, promoted.
2d or North Durham Regiment of Militia—Robert F.
Burrowes, late Lieut. 11th and 49th Foot, to be.Captainv
vice Chisholm, resigned.

BANKRUPTS.
Thomas Houlden, dealer in horses, Earls Colne,-Essext
to surrender, Aug. 19, at half-past one, and Sept. 15, at
one, at the Court of Bankruptcy.
Elizabeth White, schoolmistress, Ellerslie House, Lewi-
sham, Kent, Aug. 19, at two, and Sept. 15, at half-past one,
at the Court of Bankruptcy.
Isaac Guttmann, watchmaker, Sheffield, Aug. 20 and
Oct. 1, at ten, at the Leeds District Court.
John Wilson Jones, commission merchant, Liverpool,
Aug. 26 and Sept. 9, at eleven, at the Liverpool District
Court.

Edward Bates and John Felting, brewers, Manchester,
Aug. 25, and Sept. 22, at twelve, at the Manchester District
Court.

John Coles, baker, Railway, Warwickshire, Aug. 19, and
Sept. 16, at eleven, at the Birmingham District Court.
John Bryant, merchant, Newport, Monmouthshire,
Aug. 23, and Sept. 27, at eleven, at the Bristol District
Court. •

Charles Thorneycroft, ale, porter, and cigar dealer,
Alrewas, Staffordshire, Aug. 19 and Sept. 23, at eleven, at
the Birmingham District Court.
Emanuel Moss, dealer in lamps, Regent-street, Aug. 19,
at half-past eleven, and Sept. 15, at twelve, at the Court of
Bankruptcy,

SCOTCH BANKRUPTS.
James Jack, Lauriston-lane, Edinburgh.
George Grimmant, railway clerk, Easthaugh, near Perth.
John Lindsay, yarn miller, Maryfield Mill, Strathmar"
tine.
Thomas Duncanson distiller, Edinburgh.
John Kimmond, builder, Myth, Perthshire.
William Brownlie, grocer, Hamilton, Lanarkshire.
John Mathie, fruiterer, Glasgow.
John Miller, flesher, Glasgow.

COURSE OF EXCHANGE._THIS Day.
Amsterdam
Ditto
Rotterdam — 11 151 11 15
Antwerp
Brussels — 25 25 25 32i
Hamburgb.
Paris
Ditto
Marseilles — 25 35 25 42k
Frankfort on Maine — ll7i
Vienna
- - -
___

Trieste
1
Petersburgh — 34 34
Madrid
Cadiz _ 49 50
Leghorn —
30 0 30 12}
Genoa — 25 70 25 80
401 401
Naples
Palermo — 122} 122
'Messina — 1221 123
Lisbon
Oporto
Rio Janeiro
• •
New York —
•• • •
Foreign Gold in Bars (Stanclard). . ..per oz. £3 17 9
Mexican Dollars . .... .
,2 0 0 0
Silver in Bars •(Standard) ..........
1 t 0 0 0

WOLVERHAMPTON RACES.—(This DO.)

PRODUCE STAKES.
Aston walked over.
HOLYOAKE STAKES.
Twilight..
Lazy Lass 2
Night Ranger
Three ran.
CHILLINGTON STAKES.
Lupellus
Stolzenfels
Predictor

Eight ran. Won by half a length.
MEMBERS' PLATE.
Vigo
. 1
Smilax
The Dane

Seven ran.

LEWES RAGES.—(This Day.)

(BY ELECTRIC TELEGRAPH.)
HANDICAP SWEEPSTAKES.
Babylon
..... Volatore. 2

NURSERY STAKES.
Confectioner ..
•
Oliver ...
Seven ran.
SELLING STAKES.

Skittles
... 1
Smut
Six ran.
GRAND STAND PLATE.
Precursor
Leukothea.
Five ran.
QtrEEN'S PLATE.
Tournament
Wild Rose
Three ran. • ........