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for life, but still he would rather that they adhered to the
original clause. His Noble Friend had stated that he thought
this the best of his amendments ; now he (Lord Brougham)
thought it the very worst.—( Hear, hear.) He wished now !,°
lay before their Lordships his opinion of the state of the nu'
as it was amended ; and he would, in the first place, beg to
remind their Lordships that it was not a good thing that anY
man should make alterations upon a Bill excepting the frame!:
of it, because it was difficult to graft new clauses upon th
stock so that they would work. Now in the original Bill there
were no aldermen at all. He could understand if the
Com-
mons had left out the clause entirely, but taking a mid
course between the original plan and their Lordships' awe°
ment, he thought pregnant with danger, and he was convinced
it would work ill. He thought, then, that the best thing
their Lordships could do was to strike the clause out altogei
ther, and thus make the amendment better than the House
Commons themselves had made it. If their Lordships
to give up the principle of their amendment, let them not
both
it by halves, but altogether. That he thought would be boil
the best and the most conciliatory course which they could
adopt. Something had been said on the subject of toi
clerks. He had argued this matter before, and would merely
pleasti.re,
repeat, that to convert the of oce during
into a holding for life, was quite monstrous. It was veal
people so oddly to give them a tool to work with, over wh,ie„
they were to have no power. If it should get blunted, WI
were not allowed to sharpen it ; if it should get rusty, they werhe
not allowed to throw it aside. Parties always went on nin,,
better together when there was confidence on the one bane
wish?
and dependence on the other. He should not be taking N awail
anything from the town-clerks by begging his b
and Learned Friend not to persist in his amendment, beean
those persons had no salaries, and could not therefore be t.
to have property in the office they held. As to the aPP°ina
ment of the magistrates, he thought his Noble and Learn.
e
Friend set too great a stress upon the power proposed to b.e.
given to the town council. There was no such thing as thru!s..l
ing or forcing upoa the Sovereign any person to be a nisbrie
trate. Although three persons were to be proposed by the
town council, out of whom only could the Crown make
choice, yet the Crown was not bound to choose either of thoesl,
three. If the Crown rejected them, then three more must f„
proposed, till at last, by rejecting them toties quoties,
th
Crown might obtain indirectly what it now enjoyed directly
He thought, however, it was showing not a very becoming,
distrust of a body of men who, in other respects were intrusted
with great and important duties, to refuse to them the exercise
of a power which every Lord-Lieutenant possessed—that of
recommending a person to the Crown as fit to be appointed
a magistrate. He and his Noble Friend had enjoyed the i.a;
your for many years of the most entire confidence ef t'
Crown, so that both he and his Noble Friend would be
exceedingly averse indeed to lend any support to any niece
sure that should trench upon the just prerogatives of the
Crown.—( Hear.) But everything relied upon the sv°ll
" just;" and he was sure that his Majesty knew too weis
what was the duty of the chief magistrate, and what were ot,
prerogatives, to suppose that by allowing persons to reco
mend to him individuals fit to be appointed magistrates,
in the least trenching upon his just prerogative. Their Lorte,
ships were now arrived at the close of a long debate---s de'
bate remarked in some of its stages with angry and fierce e°,tn,
tendon, while in all its stre'es it had been a debate of a ng;
interesting nature. His Noble Friend at the head of his i"'",
jesty's Government had made a most convincing speech b°o
the various amendments introduced by the Commons, and a,
humbly hoped their Lordships would give to those amen
ments a most candid, and at the the same favourable considers:
Lion. His Noble and Learned Friend (Lord Lyndhurst) hilly
alluded to one peculiarity in his own situation. He had Plate,
stated that he had come forward not as a volunteer on this
casion ; but if he had, it would only, with his opinions, .01
principles, and his honest party connection, have done 1°
honour. It would have done him honour to have come votio,
tarily forward and taken the lead upon this great occasi°o
which his great talents, his great experience, and his gr
weight with their Lordships entitled him to do.—(Cheers','
But he had stated that he was not a volunteer, but had coma
forward in consequence of having been solicited so to do' t,
solicitation which, if it did credit to him who wanted it 0°:
did credit to the judgment of those who made it ; for a beteg,
choice could not have been made. The success which had a
tended his Noble and Learned Friend's exertions,the great rare
rities by which his amendments were adopted, amply attested
soundness of the judgment which made that choice, while it rebt
fleeted credit on the talent, as well as demonstrated the v‘jgie
of his Noble and Learned Friend. He differed with his 1"v,
and Learned Friend, wide as the poles asunder, upon this mattfed
and upon many other matters, unfortunately, which distranta,
public attention, and which were occupying men's Inlbe
both in and out of Parliament, and creating oftentimes 'a,
unfortunate splitting of parties, and breaking up of friel!,,
ships ; but no difference of opinion, no opposition of. PI,
ciple, would ever make him conceal, suppress, or, in anY ste
gree, to please any party or quarter whatsoever, Initii;oo
the expression of the feeling which he had of the admira":„
of talents, when he saw them exerted according to the r)
ciples of him who was endowed with them.—(Great cheerily
There was one thing made matter of accusation against /e
Noble and Learned. Friend, which, least of all, would had
induced him (Lord Brougham) to suppress the expressi°l!„ti
his highest admiration of the ability which his Noble `-i,t
Learned Friend had displayed throughout these importlif
proceedings—he meant the attack which had been uni° to
made against him, as if he entertained certain arnbiti°i„,
views—views which did not inspire, and which, God Itneit
need little to inspire a man who had, by merit, and reelijj
alone, risen to the height his Noble and Learned Fri fat
now enjoyed.—( Great cheering.) This attack, so I,
from sealing his (Lord Brougham's) lips upon an ocenai.,,l°t
like the present, would have been the greatest gtirou',o
he could have felt to declare his opinion of the rue,
talent and ability of his Noble and Leurned Friend.
too, had been attacked ; but to him to be attacked when ,„se
charging his duty, and to be attacked oftentimes by
whom he was helping by so discharging his duty, was scie
tural and so familiar, that it was like the air he breathe re
sometimes more wholesome than at others, sometimes
oppressive, oftentimes tainted with miasma, oftentimes bearisti•
with it infection, and the many other ills to which the e°,1,014
tution of the atmosphere is subject, and which he who W'„ to
breathe that atmosphere must lay his account occasionaivid
inhale.—( Cheers.) His Noble and Learned Friend had 'bi-
that lie had reached the pinnacle of his professional; a%)
tion, and what had he more to desire ? He (Lord Brougta,
said the same in answer to a similar attack made against ",eal
—(Cheers.) He did not mean the ridiculous and farc„,'
explanation which had been attempted to be given to his ''eat
tives for so strenuously supporting his Majesty's Govern ,it
—a thing so unintelligible in other respects—namely, Noble
was an arrangement which had been made between his ''''„ort
Friend (Lord Melbourne) and himself, that he should stlEnroiti
the Government, and that a Noble Kinsman of his s'"flis
be Governor of Bengal.—( Cheers and laughter.) bed
Noble Friend ( Lord Melbourne) had been more aston,ig fda
at this explanation than any other person, except his ;4°sag
Kinsman, who knew well that he (Lord Brougham) er
very anxious that he should not go to India, and was get
ceedingly anxious that another person should. So ni.oet
for that. But the charge which had been made aggl as
him was, that he was tired of the Great Seal, and;vhy
anxious to become Prime Minister, that being considere
uld
him the only thing worth fighting for. To which he 'l° 'a
make answer—if it be the only thing worth fighting w",aci
politics, then his battles were over, his fight was fought: nab
he now turned his political sword and spear into the P°.,ey,
and the pruning hook. He had no mind to fight in anY "or
either in or out of Parliament, for that office—that uneloal
ble office which was so ably, and so admirably, but he bell iie'.
not so very cheerfully, filled by his Noble Friend (Lord ea
bourne). Both he and his Noble Friend had need to °the
that in the political career which now was, as well as i; es'
career which both of them had gone through, they lit,' of
dured pain and suffering of every kind, and every lu"„;ag,
annoyance ; that they were annoyed with pain and suffe-pros
which no more ceased when they quitted the restless virlia,
of public station, and retired into private life, than the bad
tion of the vessel ceased to harass the brain after You oes
quitted it, and landed on the shore; that these annoloat
sprung up daily and hourly about the path not only °, bio
who trod the slippery eminence of public station, but or the
who quitted office and retired into private life. nutthee
man who had holden office learned one thing, for he pp
discovered what before he never knew, that there vier% PO
tures who would forgive an injury far more easily Widnes
more amply, than other natures would forgive a kin toreo
conferred. From both the oae and the other of those ntdi dip
he was now happily in his own mind free. He 13,a 01
charged his duty to his country, he had discharged his the
the
to his own conscience, and he claimed with confidence be
approbation of others.—( Cheers.) But whether or 0000
should have that which men prized above all other posses,' ,alO
(except what he was going to mention), he knew not, an tbst
comparatively careless ; but that which he did know was' and
he had the approbation of his own heart.—(The Noraide°
Learned Lord sat down amidst loud cheering from both
of the House.) ot
The Duke of WELLINGTON was most anxious neon•
disturb the temper with which this discussion had beet'nf this
ducted, but it was impossible to close the discussion -. re'
Bill without adverting to some of the topics to whiehbly 1114
ferred. He entirely agreed in the character given toon`,r
Noble and Learned Friend (Lord Lyndhurst) of the It Solent
cularly made by their Lordships to this Bill ; and most Soleil
cularly he agreed to the observations made to the ante inia,
relating to the appointment of Aldermen for life. "°f ab
taken great pains to make himself master of the contentsbieet'
the documents laid before their Lordships upon this aut.:, be
and, he must say, that having perused all those docurnenuch to
came to the conclusion, that instead of there being m
be alleged against the ancient Corporations of this lutanist
he was astonished to find how little could be stated
,Ibing
them ; and the impression upon his mind was, that i_licub re"
could be alleged against them, if those allegations tv° odor
lated to their Parliamentary influence previous to theratioa,
tion of the Reform Bill bad been struck out of considebich it
When he first saw this, and examined the extent to W which
was carried, he thought it was a pressure of ini o
naticcarly in
ought not to be adopted. But he certainly felt, very :ble f°l'
the discussion of this measure, that it would be polt tee
their Lordships to entertain the Bill, and to consider oroore
the principle of putting an end to self-election in ctoipre-
tions. At the same time he felt it would be necessary
serve existing interests, and that the rights of propertY shouldp
-,to orted
be taken care of. It was upon that principle that he 5 nrted
by
both the qualification clause which had been since ad°r eon'
the House of Commons, and also the propos;tion ina,dewaa de;
tinue the aldermen for life. He felt not only that 'ctiestrofed".
sirable that the ancient corporations should not be , ode?
without care being taken for those who held situations‘hat
it
those corporations for their lives, but he likewise felt teorpo-
would be exceedingly desirable to establish in the new nee
rations an interest for life, which should be in some