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Crown.must suffer by the judgment of the House of Com-
mons passed upon the appointment. I must, at the same time,
say that the appointment was altogether so ill advised, as to
render the interference of this House necessary, and to
justify the observations of the Honourable and Learned
Member for Tipperary, and other Hen. Members.—( Hear. )
But I must say, that in the experiment which we are making
—an experiment which the Right Hon. Baronet ( Sir Robert
Peel) calls a fair trial—we are running a considerable hazard
of bringing the most useful prerogatives of the Crown into
some discredit. If offices of great trust are confided
to persons in whom the House of Commons and the
country feel no confidence, the House of Commons are
bound to express their opinions upon those appointment:.
He felt that in the present case it was most unfortunate that
his Majesty's Government had selected a person against
whom such strong objections were entertained.—( Cheers. )
He felt that it would greatly diminish the respect in which the
Government of this country was viewed by Foreign Courts
—(Great cheering)—when they found the notification of the
Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs, that an Ambassador
had been appointed, cancelled, if not by a direct vote, by the
implied censure of the House of Commons.—( Great cheering.)
He could not help giving expression to these statements, con-
sidering the Noble Marquis by no means a fit person to be sent
out as the Ambassador of this c -anitry to the Court of St. Peters-
burgh. The blame, rested not with that Nobleman or with
the Crown, who had made the appointment, but with the Mi-
nisters who had advised the Crown to do so.—( Loud cheers.)
Sir R. PEEL—Sir, the Noble Lord has assumed that the
retirement of the Marquis of Londonderry- took place in con-
sequence of the course that had been pursued by the House of
Commons.—(Great cheering, for several minutes, from the
Opposition.) I was not going to deny that it took place in
consequence of the discussion in the House of Commons. No.
thing would be so unfair and unjust.—( Cheers.) But I wish to
remind the Noble Lord that it was a discussion, and not an
act or authorised proceeding of the House of Commons,
which could be considered in the nature of an address.
When the Right Honourable Baronet, the Member for Not-
tingham, asked me whether it was my intention to advise
the Crown to cancel the appointment, I felt it was
my duty to state that I should not consider it my duty, as
a public man, to tender that advice.—( Great cheering.)
Some Hon. Gentlemen may suppose that the act of the
Marquis of Londonderry has taken place in consequence
of some indirect communication with the Government to
those gentlemen. I would say that such is not the case,
and that the proceeding is the unsolicited act of the Marquis
of Londonderry himself.—( Loud and repeated cheering.)
The appointment had no doubt met with the disapprobation
of some of the Members of that House who expressed them-
selves dissatisfied with it in the course of the debate. But if the
Noble Marquis requires it, it will be some consolation to know
that the same Members who were dissatified with his appoint-
ment also objected to the re-appointment of Viscount Canter-
bury to the Chair of the House. If the Noble Lord opposite
and those connected with him think that they can form a
Government possessing more of the confidence of the
country than that to which I am attached—( Cheers )—the
proper course for him to pursue will be to give notice
of a direct motion, which the Hon. Member for Middlesex
has intimated will be given, and then we shall
be able to see whether, upon the result of that
motion, the House of Commons will be prepared
to accede to a motion, the acceding to which will
be tantamount to the removal of Ministers.—( Hear, hear. )
In my situation I consider that no slight vexatious, no personal
disagreeables, should induce me to relinquish the place which
I fill. If the question respecting Government is to be brought
to issue, the only way to decide it will be, not by indirect
motions, which it is hoped will not be acted upon, but by a
direct appeal to the House respecting its opinion of the Go-
vernment.—( Hear, hear.) The question should be put di-
rectly to the House, whether a government more fit and more
in accordance with its sentiments can be formed ; and no man
can be more anxious than myself that the question should be
tried.

Mr. HUME rose, and was commencing to speak, when
Lord Stanley rose to order, observing that there was no ques-
tion before the House.
Mr. HUME continued—He said he considered the Noble
Lord's call to order quite unnecessary. The Right Hon. Baronet
had, in alluding to Viscount Canterbury, cast a reflection upon
him and other Members near him, which the Right Hon. Ba-
ronet had no right to do. From what had just been said by the
Right Hon. Baronet, it was evident that it was not a slight
mark of want of confidence which would convince the Right
Hon. Baronet arid his colleagues. It was only a direct
expression of opinion which would convince them, and he
hoped that this would soon come.—( Hear, hear.) The con-
duct of Lord Londonderry had raised him in his opinion, and
proved that he had more discretion than the Right Hon. Ba-
ronet and his colleagues.--( Hear.) His Lordship had not run
counter to the opinions of that House as the Ministers had.
—( Hear, hear. )—They said they would proceed notwith-
standing the opinions of that House.—( Hear.) The Right
Hon. Baronet had said the other night, that his ( Mr. Hume's)
eggs had brought forth no chickens—(hear, hear, and loud
laughter)—but his egg was good as long as it was left
in a good nest. —( Hear and laughter.) The Right Hon. Ba-
ronet's egg, however, had produced nothing, although he and
the Noble Duke had been sitting on it so long.—( Laughter.)
He should like to see the letter which had been addressed
to the Autocrat of Russia on the appointment of the
Noble Marquis. He should also like to see how he
would receive (as the Autocrat was not usually consi-
dered very much in favour of popular measures)—in what
manner he would receive the letter certifying their obligation
to withdraw. He congratulated the House that such an ap-
pointment was not to take place as that of Lord Londonderry
as Ambassador to Russia.

Au Hon. MEMBER congratulated that House, and every
lover of liberty, that the Noble Marquis had given up the high
office of representing this country in Russia, because he ,had
mentioned publicly his opinion of the struggles of the bravest
and most able men who had contended for their rights, by
calling the Poles " rebels."
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Sir-ROBERT INGLIS thought that whatever opinion
might be entertained of the debate of Friday, there was no
one but must concur in the sentiment expressed therein res-
pecting the high-minded conduct pursued by Lord London-
derry.—( Hear, hear.) They could not but concur with the
Noble Lord who spoke that evening, that the precedent set on
Friday last, in the case of Lord Londonderry, was pregnant
with great danger. If an address had formally passed that
House, and had produced the present result, however it might
diminish the Royal prerogative, would, he thought, be fraught
-with less danger than this—that a mere conversation in that
House would have the effect of taking the services of any indi-
vidual, whether wisely or not, from the Crown, was a subject
greatly to be regretted—( Hear, hear.) When the , Noble
Lord received the thanks of that House he little expected the
return that would have been made to him—( Hear, hear, and
cries of " Oh, oh !" from the Opposition Members).
Sir HENRY HARDING E thought that his Noble Friend
would not take any steps which would not be creditable to him.
His Noble Friend was bound, as a man of honour and of
spirit, to take the step he did.—( Hear, and cheers.) He
thought that charges unfounded, charges unjust, and he was
bound to say, in some instances, ungenerous, were preferred
against his Noble Friend.—( Hear, hear.) But there was not
anything stated, which could be said in private life to reflect
upon his Noble Friend. There was not anything in that way
said with which he could find fault, being so many years inti-
mately connected with his Noble Friend ; had any such thing
been said, he would have felt it his duty to notice it, but he
must do lion. Gentlemen the justice to say, that no such ex-
pression fell from them.---(Hear, hear.) Fault had been found
with an expression attributed to his Noble Friend, respecting-
the Poles. On the very subject of Poland, he was able to say
that the sentiments of the Noble Lord were directly the op-
posite of those ascribed to him. No individual could enter-
tain a higher opinion of the sentiments of his late brother
upon every political subject, than the present Marquis of Lon-
donderry. Now, the late Lord Londonderry, in his foreign
relations, showed the strongest sympathy in favour of the
Poles ; and the present Lord Londonderry was most anxious
to follow his footsteps in that particular.—(Hear, hear.) He
repeated, however, that in what his Noble Friend had done,
he, as a man of honour and of spirit, could not have acted
otherwise.

Sir J. C. HOBHOIT SE could not feel the weight of the
arguments used by the Hon. Member for Oxford; but this he
would tell the Hon. Member that more frightful evils than he
deplored must follow from the Ministers of the Crown endea-
vouring to govern the country by a minority instead of a ma-
jority.—( Hear, and cheeers.) If a Minister of the Crown
possessed the confidence of that House—if he were able to
wield a majority—not a large majority, but one available for
the purposes of carrying on the affairs of the country—no such
calamity as that which the Hon. Member for Oxford lamented
could have occurred ; because the Prime Minister would have
known that, let the Opposition talk as long as they pleased,
he could come with his majority and settle the point by the
votes of that House. The abuse would be nothing, for the
votes would do it away. But in consequence of the position
—and he must take the liberty of saying, the false position--
in which the Right Hon. Gentleman was placed—trying that
which might be called an untried experiment, of governing the
country with a minority of Parliament, the present state of
things was produced.—( Hear.) He would say, therefore,
that if there were anything improper in the precedent re-
ferred to on that side of the House, he must consider it not
so much a personal matter as against the Marquis of
Londonderry, as he considered it another proof that the
Right Hon. and Hon. Gentlemen opposite were not in the
possession of the confidence of the country. It was a condem-
nation of our foreign policy, if it meant anything—it was
a condemnation, if it meant anything, of those politics of which
the Noble Marquis was supposed to be the supporter with re-
ference to the Poles. The Right Hon. Baronet the Secretary
for Ireland had told them, indeed, that he was aware, from
private sources, that the sentiments of the Noble Marquis were
not those which had been imputed to him. If that were the
case, it was unfortunate that he should not only have formerly
condemned !She conduct of the Poles wholly, but have taken
upon himself to call their proceedings " rebellious." He had
done this without coming into a warm debate—he had done
this not in the excitement caused by a furious debate—but he
had done it in an opening speech ; from which circumstance
he could not but regard this as the deliberate opinion of the
Noble Marquis. Having said thus much in answer to the ob-
servations of his Hon. Friend the Member for Oxford, he could
not, in sitting down, refrain from rendering his tribute to the
Noble Marquis, who had taken the obvious course which had
been pointed out by the answer. The Right Hon. Gen-
tleman had told them that the Government had not recom-
mended the course which had been pursued, and he thought
that the Government could not have acted otherwise, for in
his own case he would sooner have thrown up office, notwith-
standing the opinion of the House might be against him. He
certainly felt, however, that, under other circumstances, the