The Sun.
London, England, 1835-09-03 00:00:00

THE WARDS.

Lord J. RUSSELL then called the attention of the House
to the Lords' amendments with regard to the schedules distri-
buting the different towns into wards. The Noble Lord while
he did not object altogether to the amendments, should propose
that the House do take a middle course as to the amount of
population to be divided into wards. His Lordship next pro-
ceeded to explain the details. He proposed that in towns
where the population was under 9,000 there should be no
wards. Fixing, then, 9,000 as the minimum, he proposed that
where the population amounted to that number, or up to
14,000, there should be two wards, six Aldermen, and eighteen
Councillors. . After enumerating the population of several
towns in succession, the Noble Lord said he should propose as
the general maximum, that when the population amounted to
from 36,000 to 48,000, there should be six wards, twelve
Aldermen, and forty-five Councillors.
After a prolonged conversation respecting verbal amend-
ments, the House proceeded to consider the population and
local jurisdiction of certain towns included in the Lords'
amendments, commencing with Alnwick, in Northumberland.
On the motion of Lord JOHN RUSSELL, it was ordered
that Alnwick be restored to the Bill.

Mr. FRE S HFIEL D objected to there-insertion of Yeovil
in the schedule.

Colonel TYNTE said that the town was desirous of being
placed under Municipal Government, and that the feeling on
that subject was unanimous.
Yeovil was then inserted in the schedule.

Lord JOHN RUSSELL moved that a Committee be ap-
pointed to draw up reasons to be assigned to the Lords in
the conference for disagreeing to those amendments of their
Lordships to which the House had disagreed.
The following Committee was then appointed :
• Russell, Loid John Campbell, Sir John Carter, J. B.
Rice, T. S Rolfe, It. M. Eerguson, It. C.
How►ck. Lord Ebrington, Viscount O'Loghlen, Sergeant
Byng, George Smith, R. Vernon
SESSIONAL ADDRESSES.

On the motion of the CHANCELLOR of the EXCHE-
QUER the House went into Committee on the usual Ses.
sional Addresses for remunerating the Chairman of the Com-
mittees of Supply and Ways and Means, the Chaplain, and
the other Officers of the House.

After some conversation the resolutions were agreed to, and
the House having resumed, the report was received.
The report of the Committee on the Tithe Instalment (Ire-
land) Bill was received, as was also the report of the Com-
mittee on the Consolidated Fund ( Appropriation) Bill.
Mr. WARBURTON asked what was intended to be done
with the Instruments of Sasine (Scotland) Bill, which in-
volved the titles of no less than 20,000 persons ? It was im-
portant that this measure should pass during the present
session.

The LORD ADVOCATE said that the Bill could not be
proceeded with until the House of Lords had disposed of a ewe
on the subject now before them.
Lord EBRINGTON moved that the Lords' amendmpnts

to the Weights and Measures Act be agreed to. They were
very unimportant.
Mr. RUTH VEN wished the amendments to be read, for
he could not trust the House of Lords.
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said the Lords in this
case had made a very great improvement ; they remedied cases
of very great fraud, for he had known many cases where a
vendor was unable to recover the value of goods sold by a
measure not the standard one, and he was prechided from re-
covering by action.
The amendments were agreed to.
On the motion of Captain PE C HEL L, the Lords' amend.
ments to the Tithes on Turnips Bill and the Tithes Recovery
Bill were agreed to.
Mr. Sergeant TA LFOURD moved for leave to bring in
a. Bill to amend the Marriage Act Amendment Bill, which was
made a law by the Royal Assent on Monday last. His object
was to allow all marriages within a certain degree of affinity,
which had taken place since the printing of the Bill on the
19th of May, and its becoming law. He believed that some
parties had taken advantage of the Bill being before the House
to get married secretly, and they were now, according to the
Bill, legal marriages, to the great detriment of other parties.
The motion was supported by Mr. Sergeant Wilde, Dr.
Nichol, and Mr. Freshfield.

The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said his duty compelled
him, most reluctantly, to oppose the motion.
After a few words from Mr. Ewart, the Solicitor-General,
Mr. Thorne, Mr. Hawes, and Mr. Sergeant Talfourd,
The House was cleared for a division, but none took place.
The motion was negatived.

Mr. WA RBUItTON presented a petition praying the
House not to agree to the Lords' Amendments to the Muni-
cipal Corporations Bill. The petition was agreed to that
morning at a large meeting of the inhabitants of Chelsea.
The other Orders of the Day were then disposed of, and
the House adjourned at One o'Clock.

HOUSE OF LORDS, SEPTEMBPR 2.
Lord DENNIAN took his seat on the Woolsack at five o'clock.
MUSIC AND DANCING BILL.
Lord KENYON presented a petition against the Bill, and
suggested that the Noble and Learned Lord would postpone
the second reading of the Bill till to-morrow.
The Denmark and Sardinia Slave Trade Bills were seve-
rally read a third time, and passed.
The Earl of WICKLOW presented petitions from Claren-
don Chapel and Swords; near Dublin, against the Irish Tithe
Bill.

On the Order of the Day for the third reading of the Abo

tion of Capital Punishmenis' Bill being read,
Lord BROUGHAM said a Noble Lord opposite had some
objections to urge to the Bill, and moved that the third read.
ing be deferred to Friday.—Agreed to.
On the motion of Lord BROUGHAM the Arrestment of
Wages (Scotland) Bill was read a third time.
PRISON DISCIPLINE.

The Duke of RICHMOND, as chairman of the Committee
on Prison Discipline, brought up the fifth Report of the Com-
mittee. He trusted that many of the evils which at present existed
would speedily be remedied by the Secretary of State. In justice
to the Committee he would state that they had spared neither
time nor trouble in investigating the subject—they had per-
sonally visited many of the prisons of the Metropolis, and had
examined a great deal of evidence. One very great inconve-
nience to which unfortunate persons were subjected in these pri-
sons was, that when under sentence of death they could not have
a private cell to themselves. This he trusted would be reme-
died by the Secretary of State, as he would be empowered
to do by the late Bill. He begged in conclusion to move that
copies of the evidence and report be sent to the Keepers of
the various Prisons in the metropolis.
The Earl of CARBE RR Y bore testimony to the zeal and
industry with which the Noble Duke had discharged his duty
as Chairman of that Committee.
After a few words from Lord FARNHAM and Viscount
DUNCANNON, the Report was ordered to be printed. „
ORANGE LODGES.

Lord PLUKETT, seeing an illustrious Duke in his place,
begged to allude to a report of a statement attributed to the il-
lustrious Duke (Cumberland) in a newspaper of yesterday, at an
Orange Lodge at which the Illustrious Duke had presided.
The statement attributed to the Illustrious Duke was, that he
had been subjected to attacks of the most violent and vi-
rulent character, and that a Noble and Learned Lord, mean-
ing himself, had taken the liberty on the occasion of a petition
having been presented from the University of Dublin to charge
him (the Duke of Cumberland) with tampering with the heads of
the University, and establishing an Orange lodge therein. The
Report further stated that the Illustrious Duke said he should
treat such observations with contempt, that the conduct
of the Noble and Learned Lord was ungentlemanly, and that
he (the Duke of Cumberland) would not submit to be bullied.
If such statements were made, he regretted the Noble Duke
had not made it before his (Lord P.'s) face in that House, and
however great the difference of their respective ranks might
be., neither that illustrious Duke, nor any man alive, had a
right to state that he had been actuated by violent or malig-
nant feelings—that his conduct was ungentlemanlike—or that
he was authorised to treat him with contempt.
The Duke of CUMBERL AND—I never said so.—( Hear,
hear.) If the Noble and Learned Lord will allow me I shall
state what I did say.

Lord PLUNKETT—With the greatest pleasure.
The Duke of CUMBERLAND proceeded to state what
had occurred on the occasion of his presenting a petition from
the University of Dublin (as reported in a former Number of
The Sun). He had felt it his duty to tall a meeting of the
Grand Orange Lodge a few days ago, and had then alluded
to the charge brought against him, of having established an
Orange Lodge in the University of Dublin. He stated there
might or might not be a Lodge, but he was not aware of it.
He then stated, and he appealed to the Noble and Learned Lord
if such was not the fact, that he had been most cruelly maligned
and attacked. That statement bad been made generally, but
without any reference to the Noble and Learned Lord—
( Hear)--and no one could deny that he had not been so
abused, because he had adhered to his principles firmly,
manfully, and boldly.—( Hear.) He had further said, that no
man, whoever he was, should attempt to to bully him (the D.
of Cumberland,) That statement had no reference to the
Noble and Learned Lord—( Hear, hear)—but it was a general
statement with respect to his determined adherence to those
principles which he believed to be the salvation of the country
and the support of the Protestant religion.—( Hear, hear. )
He had never said anything of any man behind his back
that he should not be ready to say to his facc.—( Hear.)
Lord PLUNK ETT expressed himself perfectly satisfied
with the statement of the illustrious Duke, and should be
sorry that an erroneous impression should be abroad of his
having made so improper and unjustifiable an attack upon the
illustrious Duke.

REGISTRATION OF VOTERS (IRELAND.)
Viscount DUNCANNON, in bringing up this Bill, en•
tered into some details of the measure, which, he observd
would tend to assimilate the Irish to the existing Englist
system.

The Earl of LIMERICK opposed the introduction of the
Bill at so late a period of the session. It was full of novel
legislation and difficulties, which he feared could not be got
over in the short time that remained to their Lordships for the
despatch of public business.
Lord PLUNKETT observed that it was not the fault of

the present Government that great part of session had been
consumed before these important Bills had been introduced.
In reference to what had been objected against the provisions
of the Bill, the case stood thus :—The Emancipation Act of
1829 required that a freeholder should not only swear that his
house was worth 10/., but that a solvent person would give
him for it 10/. in addition to that sum. Then came the Re-
form Bill, and, after a long discussion, it was agreed that the
voter should only swear as to the value of the house. By
some oversight this amendment introduced into the Reform
Bill operated only in reference to leaseholders, and not to
freeholders. The Noble and Learned Lord then referred to
leases made under powers to tenants for life, and stated that,
as it was required that oath should be made of the tenement
being worth 10/. a year, in addition to the rent, it was impos-
sible for those who made leases at the full improved yearly
value to grant a lease (such having the nature of a freehold),
which would give to the tenant for life the political franchise.
Such a state of things, the Noble and Learned Lord con-
tended, should not be allowed to continue longer.
The Earl of WICKLOW said that, from the manner in
which the Noble Viscount had introduced the subject, and ex-
plained the provisions of the Bill, it was evident that ho had
no expectation of the measure receiving a second reading. A
Bill more replete with mischief, more evidently got up at the
dictation of individuals whose object it was to hold the Govern-
ment in their hands, had never been introduced into that House.
—(Hear, hear.) The power of a certain individual had been
often alluded to. For himself he had abstained as much as pos-
sible from the introduction of his name, thinking that mention
of him in that House would tend only to increase his influ-
ence ; but now his power had arrived to such a height, that it
signified little whether that forbearance was exercised or not.
Had the Noble Viscount opposite, in the feeling of gratitnde
to that individual, addressed him in the following strain—
" Sir, you have been of material support to our Government.
To you we owe our places and administration. It is by your
power and influence that we are enabled for a moment to
stand before the feelings of the people of England, and retain
our offices. As an act of gratitude, therefore, I will enable
you to draw up such measures as will suit your purpose, and
place the Government and all power in Ireland at your com-
mand"—had the Noble Viscount addressed that individual in
such terms, it would have been impossible for him to have
drawn out a Bill more calculated than the one before the
House for giving to him unlimited influence and weighty
power in Ireland. To going into Committee on this Bill
he decidedly objected, since it contained those destructive
principles to which he could never consent. Some improvements
upon the present system there undoubtedly were in the Bill ;
but for the sake of those improvements he would not risk the
overthrow of principles upon which depended the stability
of our connection with Ireland. Though the preamble stated
that it was expedient to assimilate the law of the two coun-
tries, he was unprepared to agree in that dictum, since the
registration worked with great effect, and all difficulties in
reference to the qualification had been removed by a well-
consider and unanimous decision of the twelve Judges. To
alter the qualification would be to let in every miserable cotter
and owner of a hut to the privilege of voting at elections ;
and to transfer the registration from the Assistant Barris-
ters to the nominees of the Government, would be to place
very dangerous influence in the bands of the Government.
The Noble Lord, after declaring that the effect of the Bill
would bo to place the whole political influence of the
country in the hands of a mischievous faction, concluded
by moving that the Bill be read a second time that day six
months.

Viscount MELBOURNE then rose, and spoke as follows:
—My Lords, I cannot refrain from offering a few observations
in reference to a certain individual whose name has of late