The Sun.
London, England, 1832-04-07 00:00:00

IRISH TITHES.

On the questicu that the Order of the Day be read, for
taking into consideration the second reading of the MA
Tithes Bil',

Air. HUAIE was desirous of asking the Noble Lord (the
Chancellor of Exchequer), if it was eonsi•tent with his
statement of a former evening to press the second reading
of this Bill at that mom. nt. The Noble Lord had said,
on the occasio❑ referred to, that he disapproved of coertion,
but that whenever it should become necessary, while he
would pass a Bill to coerce, he would take care, at the
same time, ako to pass a Bill which would remove the
grievances which rendered coercion nessessaiy. Ia com-
pliance with this sentiment the Noble Lord ought to post_
pnne the second reading of thi Bill until after the Bill
which was to be considerej as a boon to the people of Ire-
land was introduced. Unless he pledged himself instant:v
to bring in that other Bill, so that both might proceed
through their stages together, he thought the present
coercive measure should be postponed.
Lord ALT HORP said that the pressing of the second
reading was not at all a departure from his speech on the
occasion alluded to. It certainly n-ver was his principle
to consent to coercive measures unless he could, at the
same time, remove the grievance, and therefore it was

that he had moved resolutions which pledged the House to
remove the gliev.nces complained of. There was how-
ever, a pressing occasion for the adoption of tile coercive
measure, fur the existing laws were set at defiance. Under

these circum,tanceii all that he could do was -tCi
Parliament to remedy the griey 'flees while they put down
the spirit of opposition to the laws which so extensively
prevailed.

Mr. LEADER denied that the Clergy were in that state
of destitution and distre+s which they were stated to he in
in the preamole of the Bill, and he was prepared to show
it. He thought the Bill mint be postponed till alter the
Easter R cess. It was impossible that it could be pas-ed
before the adj .li-flu-lent of the House.

Mr. STANLEY was sorry to pat tie Hon. Member to
inconvenience, but he was sure every one would allow
that he was quite as much in want of r: taxation as the
Hon. Member. He had lo,:n 14 or 15 months attending
his Parliamentary duties. There was a motion before the
House for a return of the number of days during which he
had been in Ireland; and, hen that motion came on, he
should be ready to show, not oat/ that he had been three
or tour months in Leland, but that be had not been abs nt
from his duty on either side of the water 14 days in the
whole. Great as might be the distress amongst the
Clergy, that was not his reason for pre-sing the measure
forward. His reason was that organised resistance,
which, if it were nut put down, must spread, to the se-
rious injury of the country and the disgrace of any Go-
vernment. Un ,er these circumstances it was of import-
ance that the 131:1 should be passed, and he should resist
its postponement.
Mr. J. GRATTAN recommended that the suggestion
of the Hon. Member for Middlesex be adopted, and that
the measure be postponed for the present. He, howev. r,
was himself prepared to go on.
Colonel TORRENS contended that the promised mea-
sure of conciliation ought to go hand in hand with that of
coercion. It might happen that, after the present measure
was passed, the Government might be dissolved, and the
conciliative measure never granted.
Mi. WYSE also recommended that the measure should
be postponed. He had a petition, signed by 17,000 per-
sons in Tipperary, asking for delay. He was of opinion
th,t the Right Hon. Secretary for Ireland ought to grant
that delay, in order that Irish Members might commune
with their constituents in Ireland, and to have their senti-
ments upon the BM.

Sir C. WETHERELL said that the suggestion which
had been thrown out, to induce the Right Hun. Secretary
for Ireland to go over to that country, was very ingeniously
cantrived, in order to get rid of that Right Hon. Gentle-
man altogether, for ti,ere was some probability of his never
coming back again. It was merely a ruse de guerre, and
he hoped the Right Hon. Gentleman would not be imposed
urn by it.

Mr. RUTHVEN said that if there was one reason
which ought to have sway over the minds of the Govern-
ment to accede to the postponement of this measure, it
was the existence of a very impatient feeling on the p in
of th;:. House to listen to the details, or to discuss it. There
was already a great feeling of irritation abroad in Ireland,
which would by no means be appeased by the demonstra
tion of such a feeling on the part of the House and the
Government. He implored the Government to grant the
delay required, and to show some natural feeling to their
fellow-subjects.
Tile order of the day was then read.
On the question that time Bill be re id et second time,
Mr. HUME begged to ask the Noble Lord opposite
when the Bill for conciliating the people of Ireland would
be ready ? The Noble Lord had admitted the necessity
for the two treasures being pissed together.
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Lord ALTHORP coolLinot then resolve the que,tion
of she lion. Member, or say when the other Bill would
be ready, for the Committee sitting on tithes had not yet
made their report.

Mr. MIME said that this was the very reason why
the present Bill ought to be postponed.
Mr. RUTH YEN then moved that the Bill be read a
second time on that day month.

Mr. CALLAGHAN thought no good could be gained
oy the Government pressing forward the meisure on this
occasion.

3lr. LONG WELLESLEY considered this as a great
and wholesome measure.
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Colonel TORRENS expres-ed his earnest wish that
this in-asure should be postponed for a month.
Mr. J. GRATTAN said that the system of tithes in
Ireland woo a false system. He was one of those who
joined cordially in the wish for the postponement of this
measure.

Mr. SHEIL complained of the large fees which the At-
torney and Solicitor-General were to receive under the
Bill. He supported the postponement of that amours,