The Sun.
London, England, 1835-07-08 00:00:00

HOUSE.

Mr. DIVETT rose to bring forward a subject to which he
begged the particular indulgence of the House. did not
see the Hon. Member for St. Ives present.
Mr. HUME suggested to the Hon. Member to postpone his
motion till the Hon. Member for St.- Ives was in his place.
Mr. DIVETT saw the Hen. Member for St. Ives in the
House about half an hour ago, ar.d told him that he
would certainly bring - the subject before the House
at five o'clock.—( Hear, hear.) Under these circum-
stances, he conceived that he was ,not bound to postpone
the subject, merely because the Hon. Member for St. Ives
did not choose to attend. He would simply confine himself
to reading the notice of the Hon. Member for St. Ives. Mr.
Divett then read the notice, which was as follows :

" That all Prisoners in Newgate, and the other gaols in England
and Wales, although possessing no other qualification, be, upon the
principle of the Bill, entitled indiscriminately to an equal participa-
tion in all the franchises, as well magisterial as elective, thereby
created ; and that, to obviate all uncertainty or doubt of tbe bene-
volent intention of the Bill, and the happy tendency thereof, being,
in effect,, to render all the higher ranks of his Majesty's loyal
and respectable subjects subordinate to the lowest, without regard
to property or character, a clause be introduced, in accordance with
the same principle, expressly enacting to that effect ; and that it
may for ever thereafter be well understood, that the whole popu-
lation in the Corporate jurisdictions are, in all other relations of
life, placed upon a footing of perfect equality, agreeably to the na-
tural rights of man ; and also, a clause to provide a suitable retreat
for the gentry residing within these jurisdictions, and who, with a
mind and feelings becoming their station, may seek an escape for
themselves from the scene of such a revolutionary infliction."
He thought that the Hn. Member ought to apologise for such
a notice as this, and he moved in the strongest language possi-
ble that this notice be expunged from the Journals.—( Hear.)
Mr. HUME seconded the motion. He always under-
stood that notices were intended to call the attention
of Members to subjects of practical importance. Therefore
it was that he joined his Hon. Friend in thinking that the
notice should be struck out of the Journals.
Mr. DIVETT conceived that the notice was a gross insult
to the House, and the electors of the country. He had no
wish to make the motion in the absence of the Hon. Member.
—(Cries of " No, no," "Go on.") He had given the Hon.
Member full notice of it, and as it seemed to be the wish of
the House, he would now move that it be expunged from the
journals of the House.
Sir GEORGE CLERK doubted whether any thing could
now be done with respect to this notice. He supposed, as
the n:ourable Member had given notice of this motion, that
he intended to found a resolution upon it—(Cries of " Oh,
oh !")—if he made such a motion, and it was entered
on the journals of the House, it would then be competent
to move that it should be expunged from the journals.
In the shape however it at present stood, he thought the
House ought not to interfere. He did not see what the Hon.
Member would get by expunging it from the paper, as it would
be competent fur the Hoe.. Member who had given that notice
to renew it at any time.

Mr. WARBURTON hoped the Hon. Member for Exeter
would consent to move that it should be expunged only. He
(Mr. W.) locked upon it rather as a speech than a notice.
Mr., RUTH VEN thought the motion rather premature,
as, in his opinion, the notice was.not worth more than laughing
at, and that its absurdity was its best answer.
Mr.. DI VETT could only suppose that the notice was in-
tended as an insult to that house, when it had been coolly and
delibcyately put upon the notices. He begged to persist in
the motion as amended by the Hon. Member for Bridport, that
the notice be expunged.
Colonel PEOCE-VAL suggested that the Hon. Member
should defer his motion till to-morrow. He thought that
many notices of a similar .nature had previously appeared in.
the Journals of that House, without calling forth such severity
of censure.

Mr. RICHARDS agreed with the Hon. Member for
Exeter that it was art instance of very had taste ; but if his
notice was persevered in, it would lead to a very inconve-
nient precedent.
Sir C. 13. VERE thought the House might express its
censure, and condemn it, but striking out the notice would be
a v, ry dangerous precedent.

Mr. DIVETT seeing the sense of tile •House was against
him, would withdraw his motion.
Mr. FLUME would not consent to such a notice being printed
in future with their proceedings, and be would therefore move
that it be discontinued from among the notices.
Mr. MILES said the feeling of both sides of the House
appeared to be, that the matter was utterly unworthy of no-
tice ; and li' regretted that this discussion had given it any
further notoriety.

Colonel L. HAY differed very much from the Hon. Member
for Somerset. He, for one, would not consent to its re-
maining on the printed notices of the House, and should take
the sense of the House upon it.
Mr. WILK S regretted that the question had been brought
forward at all. As it was, he would by no means consent to
its being printed in future with the miuutes.—( Question.)
The Earl of LINCOLN said a few words, amid cries of
" Question," " Divide."

Strangers were ordered to withdraw, and the Gallery was
cleared for a division; during our exclusion we understood
that a lengthened and animated discussion took place, and
that the motion was agreed to without a division.
IRISH POOR LAWS.

Petitions in favour of the Poor Laws for Ireland were pre-
sented by Messrs. FITZSIMON and FINN.

Sir R. MUSGRAVE moved the second reading of the
Poor Relief ( Ireland) Bill. He did not, expect that any
Hon. Member would rise in his place, and deny the existence
of distress in Ireland, for there were too many living proofs
9f it, and he felt justified in the course which he had pursued.
when the cholera or infections complaint prevailed in
Ireland, scenes of the most appalling distress presented them-
selves. He had himself attended as a member of the
Cholera Committee, and their first task was to provide straw,
not merely for thole who were, suffering, but to prevent
the spreading of the contagion.—( Hear.) several
small houses, three and four families crowded' together, without
even sufficient straw to lie on. Whilst abundance of corn and
provisions were exported from Ireland, those who raised them had
not sufficient straw to make his bed. The Hon. Baronet /hen
read an extract from the Report of 1830, to prove the gfeat evils
that arose from the labourers being turned out of their holdings.
It was impossible for language to convey an idea of the
distress to which the ejected were reduced, and as
might naturally be expected in every riot or disturbance,
such persons were always found most active and most violent.
It was they who formed themselves into bands who formed
Committees, and who deliberately resolved upon the assassina-
tion of those who opposed them.
(LEFT SPEAKING.)

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

HOUSE OF COMMONS, JULY 7.

MUNICIPAL CORPORATIONS BILL.

Lord J. RUSSELL had been in hopes that he should have
been enabled to proceed with the Municipal Cororations gill
that evening in Conn-ilium ; but as he intende'd to propose
some alterations in the measure, as well as several new clauses,
which might, perhaps, lead to opposition, he did not feel him-
self fully prepared for the discussion. He thought it better,
therefore, to postpone the further proceeding with the Bill
until Thursday ; and he moved, therefore, that the order of the
day for going into a Committee be read, for the purpose of
postponing it. Before he sat down, he begged to say, that he
understood that in his absence a petition had been presented
with respect to the appointment of Colonel Lindsay to the
command of the Fifeshire Militia. The petitioners ought to
know what was the state of the law on the subject. The ap-
pointment of Colonel of Militia rested with the Lord Lieute-
nant of the County, with this reservation, that he might notify
the appointment he wished to make to the Secretary of State,
and that if the Secretary of State did not intimate to the Lord
Lieutenant his Majesty's disapprobation of the selection, the
appointment was to stand good. The supointment, therefore,
by no means rested with the Secretary of. State—it rested only
with the Lord Lieutenant. Difference of political opinion
would never justify the Secretary of State in intimating his
Majesty's disapprobation of the Lord Lieutentnt's choice.
With this understanding of the law, he (Lord John Russell)
had felt it his duty, when Lord Rosslyn nominated Colonel
Lindsay, not to signify any disapprobation on the part of the
Crown. This explanation he had thought it necessary to
make, as the affair had been much misinterpreted.
Sir ROBERT PEEL bad never known difference of po-
litical opinion alleged' as a reason for setting aside the ap-
pointment of a Lord Lieutenant. The uniform practice, since
the passing of the Militia Act, had been in contradiction of
any such principle ; nay, he had no doubt that it was intended
by that law that such should be the practice ; thus depriving
the Crown of the power of making party considerations the
ground of an appointment of that nature. Thus much for the
general principle ; and with respect to the particular case,
he must say, with respect to both parties, that he was per-
suaded Lord Rosslyn was incapable of an improper recom.;
mendation ; and that the Noble Earl could not have selected
a man of higher character for the post in question than Colonel
Lindsay.
IMPRISONMENT FOR DEBT BILL.
Mr. FRE SIIFIELD begged to ask the Hon. and Learned
Attorwny-Genora: when it was his intention to proceed with
the bnplisonnient for Debt Bill ?
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL had hoped he should be
able to proceed with it in the present week; but he found