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London, England, 1835-03-14 00:00:00

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.., as in, 4 was becoming dismembered from nothing so !much
• cernal dissension and disunion, nor did he think it de-
s'l'B'ele to
vp_ . guarantee her independence against
.her seemingly
Irienip.._ Ching
fate. The following is the opinion of Lord
noble Lords—l hope never to see—God forbid I ever should
-fro ' h a course adopted, for the proposition would be scouted
satn! end of England to the other, any attempt thus to defend
Tiler: it ailY, Turkey, from the attacks of foreign enemies.
as krke-',..10 argument, then, made in this debate for prureskesnfriza,
item said, the wasting and disgusting empire. of the T
te,a "`rinent ; and none of the Powers parties to that treaty, the
14 0 1827, will interfere I hope to save the fallen empire of
boy from •
nun'
1 w suPpose Sir, from this declaration of Lord Holland
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he having delivered the opinion just read—
of
thp oat Noble Lord was unfit to be admitted into the couuci s
passage"overnment, and was to call attention to the particular
reo of the speech selected as a proof of his unfitness, one
Qlyment might be drawn by those desirous of eriminating the
thatelituern, that if Lord Holland were to join it, that from
(eri eclaration it was their intention to dismember Turkey.—
els •e °f " flear, hear.") Such were the kind of party con-
,,, Turkey.--
elusions that Hon. Gentleman arrived at when from casual
hreetteches they gathered deliberate intentions. It was much
Oesetli is judging of the speeches of each other that Hon.
Non Gentile should not be too critical.—( Hear, hear.) If
~,et'inGentlemen are determined to eslish a precedent this
4 it"gi of calling into question the prerogative of the Crown
seqrng its appointments, I am sure, Sir, that such pro-
i.ngs will riot stop here, but will run upon every subject
reisotit'eu can Possibly be made, a matter of dispute by a powerful
killejotitilv." • MEMBER (whose name we could not hear)--A
better R. PEEL—Even if you are a majority, it would be
eo,,ettria.t once openly to attack the Governmeatt.,. and notthe
Crown),. by calling into question the preitgatire of
it *sled LunPly a distrust in the Government. I say. Sir, Nap,' an infinitely better and more honourable course.to
R ,at once to declare, by a vo',.e of the House, an entire
3 of confidence in the 'Minielry.
hk Irthj'„C• HOBHOUSL: wished to take the lieerty to
it7s4l7oheeateliigdli.t Hon. Gentleman a question, which he et:mi
-4 !?ecessay, after the Right Hon. Gentleman's speech
Ntts. littep:dT, after
question was—whether or not the Right
i. as Prime Minister of England, and as such.
444113, -Le .or the appointments made by the Crown—% he-
.l, .-41 intend to persevere in this appointment ?
/141teilL PEEL asked whether the Right Hon. Baronet
kr the question to be answered now ?
Sit,' C' HORROU SE said he called on the Right Hon.
'orr fe,o-attl:to answer the question, because he could not ga-
ietelr.; speech whether he meant to say that the ap-
, Sir epla„B to be persisted in or not.—(Cheers?)
71,4°net ;;Zal,--Was that a question which the Right Hon.
`gear, hear--c'm to have answered at the present moment ?
ir j, C
Land No, no.)
Ilight la' C. "(AROUSE said he did not desire to press the
hniant-°°,,l3aronet for an immediate answer if it were incon-
htsneci by "hat he meant was, that by the course of argument
?Ithethe,h.the Right Hon. Baronet he could not ascertain_
et sept..,-- nneant to tell the House of Commons that in the
`Be es "ate Of feeling as regarded this appointment, and after
he woo-Plosion of the opinion- that he had heard to-night, which
'ory -,744 not say was the opinion of the majority, but it looked the expuch like it, whether, such being the feeling, and such
18d eregsion of opinion, the Right Hon. Gentleman din
t3h,
e-
-4Pllt:llveY by his speech that he should persevere in Sir int.
neser h °BERT PEEL then observed—This House
ttoy oulcl find him disposed to withhold any information
7,115 t thel,ll„°,use, or any answers to any questions which. might_
tY. to•• he could answer, consistently with. his course of
'Pesch 'le did not hesitate to say that—notwithstanding the
A(row:4 of to-night--he was ' 'riot prepared to advise the
n Is' ter. cancel the appointment of Lord Londonderry.—
. ial cheers.)
oej. ,
1144 of C. HOEHOUSE would take the liberty then, at
;414'.;11t giving his very humble, and it might be most
tiwnsiitg--
4clitk°Pinkul; but it was one in which he was, n.o
the
iii e°nfident agreeing as it did, not only with
Ittil,e etfi'Ltbs. House, but also with that of the Noble Lord
cight ji "r for Lancashire, whose speech he must say the
'll elle,e°•Gentleman had not even touched upon—( Opposi-
-44try 41---he must express his decided opinion that the
h WoUld s
if raore egret much that the Right Hon. Gentleman—.
4ow Manliness than discretion, with more respect for.
~l'itl I;,° ,_Pinion and that of his colleagues, than for the opi-
"k4fort- `ue county still persevered in that not only most
Lrsiiio;7e, but mostY improper appointment.—( Hear, he.ar.)
atir tk'Y to offer' g further observations on the subject,
,74,,,1-", House Inwhiaennyhoshould do shortly, because hea
'lltrit" tnat the question would go into a nutshell—he had Nite 0° Make, it was this—the Right Hon. Gentleman otpe-
Zeeeheegan his speech which was most eloquent,. as h
. h. 4 of ~
bi' eight ,:ne Hon. Baronet always were, by declaring that
t'''strst; "on. Gentleman (the Paymaster' of the Forces) re-
teard f rer of office from the late Government. He never
ep"' It •
t''
° tg: Tght Hon. Gentleman having received such an
4,4 bet c,'''g tbe , however ; but there was this differ-
so-"' Gent the late Government having offered the Right
kiZtti.osleto-"Wlte. anat app.ointment, and the Right Hon.
.Ba-
the ee he dir prime Minister having offered. such an appoint-
ilk:, 4Yeets-8e,.°01 recollect that the Right Hon. Gentleman
pAP.slabeed hilt' yl",!he Forces, evoefr accused Earl Grey of haN-
a great cause for the pur-
Gen( ahand.7ll a the
op,
.e!ean
o....mang headit.—(Much. cheering.) The Right Hon.
4147%04 t°F ite had been in open and decided and manly
Ze b lnany measures—not measures but proposals—
lotlnid. account who Yho acted with Lord Grey, and perhaps he
ti, Gepti ` Tor the offer of an appointment to the Right
Is 8e "'an the Paymaster of the Forces, if that were
ipl that?aer,}BsPs he might account for that offer by suppos-
,,(4lrni ink 3 beeps
the Right Hon. Gentleman had assisted
\s'i kelatenurt of office the Right Hon. Gentlemen opposite.
r h. pt, and cheering )
Lo Sir j. e EEL—So did Lord Londonderry.
toptti he 40;11°BROUSE.—The appointment of that Noble
flog et of
the opposed. The Right
.Hon. Gentleman the Pay-
-1,•,, tarn" Fortes certainly did assist in ousting the Right
feetAiti e ee.e.t• The occasion was on the question of the. Civil
orti., steli 4ght Hon. Baronet, no doubt, recollected it per-
Pte, Pte,7Righ----(t Ho ear, and a laugh ) In consequence, then, of
yo sid, h° n• Gentleman's (the Paymaster of the Forces')
lllti7 0 th.f e„ being at the head of the " section" of the
T male the popular party were able to come to
ft°4l beta whi h '
grett an e. gave them a majority
411 C ed sin, intemperate question which he had always re-
-1 tietuae e"110 alluded to his question to the Right Hon.
Ilia -bendsaskin him whether, after the vote just come. to, he
esti we .
tie_. NI;
~ re going to resign
_? Thus the Right Hon.
41'11 IM.._ the Paymaster of the Forces, on_ account of his
hi Nati .4ericei
, as well as intellectual aid--(Laughter)—was
4114, tlic 14 Person of sufficient importance to have offered to
lei: Box ho f Secretary of War in the Whig Administra-
Itsteted by ' the Right Hon. Gentleman happened to be
Atril The ~
'1 kis the Premier opposite was what he could
that
undwears-
tip (4t e 'tight Hon. Gentleman insinuated it .
1.04 else knitter of course for Hon. Gentlemen on the (I:typo:rid-
Ilpltioneee,f tile House to object to the appointment of L
Wirt -1. Now he was most decidedly opposed to the
30,4°4golatidra,b,l.e Gentleman and his colleagues, yet he never
PR`e4r, he Lfidn when he saw the appointment announced.
ktt,.it Ad m). ). h satisfied him that every pretext of the
kled onnistration being what some unwise persons
kthe ti,' a coMpletely reforming Administration, would,
when -(1%, ent of the announcement, fail to deceive. He felt
°I. tl, Wileptue appointments of the Right Honourable Ge - aLlp-se.pnb-i!, s?en, theze would be no mistake on the part
NI stion. .c nereafter, as to the character of the Adm. ii-t
tii4ot int tut there would be no imposture, no fraud t
414 allo Pded by the Right Hon. Baronet opposite
him,
oki if he n be any. This certainly did appear to
l'eL'eeetite° t4tained some little doubt before, if he had
(Ay he : appointment of the President of. the Board of
of ugh) "`tgut have thought that a little incongruous
111.11.1t4' P --litlt then, when the appointment of the Paymasterno
II: '4n °tees.. Caine, he was quite sure that there was
that
op for
one, Therefore, he begged leave to say,
ISP.ta solifai% and he believed he might say his friends also,
stthey We titir,apbeing angry were so far from bemg
with
C pointment . ihat they were delightee wi
t.,vvri- =nee ed happy to' find that virtue was at last re-
-1/4;4 toh)allghter )/; with respect to this appointment
tici%saktiliao_in.derry, it appearedew' to him that the Right Hon.
k•-elipt 1' °Y his speech only confirme. d. the previous sus-
taitt he that me had confirmed the suspicion of the Noble
ZalC he v, 'telnber for South Lancashire. That Noble Lord
sti 48 quite sure that the inclinations of the Right Hon.
la7ti. )114A111..u,5t in fact be against
in his
Loud
4t Nts d i4Q if ever he did hear in his life a speech. from a
tio ON °pater, and he had had the honour of listening to
trkti4e' 4:geeeritZlinuien of Fox from under the gallery of the
kiegitielent
way einneevraddidth r one in which the weakness
4111a1 th or the s ore dexterous) avoided ; yet it was im-
Ili* 'light Right Hon. Gentleman to make out a case.
the bad on. Gentleman was himself aware of ;he
4e:elt tlesB of, his -e for he went beating about the
tig -ie°l,4l, -Ine navingeaaslittle hit at the economy of the
:a''Y .4,,,"e! for Middlesex, then flying off to the Podia-
'llC‘t hilez'te; in short, the Right Hon. Gentleman ad-
tt'vitPer tioself to everything but the merits of the case, vi!.,
titi,l,ssel: ~ vviever respectable the private character of the. in-
e4.Srli,e4-sv"hi3ebitierti._ man of most decided and pronounced opinions
iNteitlo which I.w tof course occupy the attention of the
,sei tit e Lue was appointed, was a fit person to be sent
Netriute IrluassY ? He held in his hand the Mirror of
1,4 by land would read a sentence from a speech
y, AN tun Noble Lord, which he thought more de-
th'st h._,et see,r,re
,o.onclusive of the impropriety, he might
Ya' v‘e
them nun to St. Petersburgh, than the sentence
-, nqn. read by the Honourable Gentleman :—:` If
tii
tti
frala ortue
te -"atelY, bye o
policy become more alien-
Yndl --cse Powerswith 1 i 'll we were formerly
44 1:'. l' ternis"--if Austria wand Prussia,"'L as well as Russia,
cs,,e,d with the belief that Great Britain, instead of
'4 1
b kiwa_
st-:onservative, that bienfaisant power as before,
cdtsopeY exercised her influence in maintaining the peace
tiptzt4,,,letoe4, I),
iiitidlit;it rig
virushts ofof nationsre
Ilt-Ntetilf, on the contrary,they now believed her to be
revolutionary liberty which. they
All zp, nit' to their interests and to their safety, it could
t‘tliatt
th cted that theye would keep up that close alliance
tkl °ll,th 1.'40 hshe had exercised so happy an influ-
' t P!'tee of the world, but which, unfortunately, from
11Nek*Zhlhis ajestys Government has now taken, it would
in
nsegaegr_,aoir, " If these were merely
\loati:444:llYrt. 14esl.fteell'shuetrtetereedx or the excitement of debate
ipio, Sng that ,expressions that had been used. in answer. to
1tt1413 of 1., bad been said personally irritating to him (the
11,1"--‘seit,"It4..tlieend°derry)—if they were expressions in contra-
„.l., • it 4 general tenor of his life and opinions—( Cheers)
tons would would not be attached to them ; but
.as
''' were such as showed that the Noble Lord dm-