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SHAW, and Mr. LEADER. the petition was ordered to b

rinted.
Mr. GRATTAN presented a petition from a parisi
in Ireland against the Tithe System.
Lord KILLEEN supported the prayer of the petition.
Lord COLE presented a petition from a parish in Fer-
managh, against the grant to the College of Maynooth.
Captain GORDON presented a petition from Dumfries,
against the new plan of Irish education. Also petitions
to the same effect from Dewsbury, in Yorkshire ; Rath-
conney, in the county Cork ; and Glasgow.
Mr. DIXON said, he considered any petition coming
Irons Glasgow was entitled to his attention, and, if possi-
ble, to his support. He did not object to any portion of
the people of Glasgow making their sentiments known
by petition to that House, but the petition now
presented did not state facts. The Bible was not
to be a sealed book to the people of Ireland, as the peti-
tioners appeared to have been led to believe. That bad
been denied over and over again. ' ' '
Mr. A. JOHNSTONE did not fed that he would br
doing his duty to his constituents if he did not declare that
the people of Scotland were as able to come to a just con-
clusion as any HOU. Member in that Hous.
Captain GORDON, in answer to the Hon. Member
for Glasgow, must say that the plan, as proposed by
the Government, was a virtual exclusion of the Scriptures
from the people, and though there was a permission to 1..rir.6.
in the Bible to the school.room on certain days ;
still that only depended upon the fact of
whether the local instructor was a religious man
or not. Seeing the Honourable Secretary for Ireland
now in his place, he wished to know from him whether
those rumours which had agitated men's minds upon this
subject were true or not. He understood that a corre-
spondence had been carried on with persons in Scotland both
lay and ecclesiastical, upon the subject, and it had been
stated in the general assembly by the Solicitor- General
fir Scotland, that the Government would have no objec-
tion to Scriptural classes being formed in the school for
Protestant scholars.
Mr. STANLEY was sure that the House must now
be tired of this subject. However, he had no hesitation
in saying that such a correspondence as that alluded to by
the Honourable Member had taken place. The state-
snents contained in that correspondence were certainly the
same as his repeated declarations in that House,
that classes for the Scriptures might he formed in every
school, to which the Protestants might attend,
but that class should be held either before the
school conitnenced, or after several hours, in order that
Roman Catholic parents might have a security that their
children would not be forced into these classes.
Their explanations in the correspondence had satisfied
those gentlemen of Scotland who had taken an interest
in the subject, and he was sure they would satisfy every
man but a religious bigot, or one who wished to make
this subject the cover for political animosity.—(Hear.)
Mr. SHAW disclaimed being either a bigot, or that on
any occasion he had been influenced by feelings of a
political nature with respect to this subject.—(Hear.)
He objected to the plan, because the Protestants were
obliged to read the Bible in a sneaking and secret manner.
Mr. O'CONNELL said, if the Learned Recorder should
not be called a bigot, he was afraid he must be charged
with something worse—with a wish to prolong the ill
feeling between Catholics and Protestants, by excluding
them from being educated together.
Sir R. BATESON stated that many individuals of con-
sideration had already expressed their disapprobation of the
system, among whom might be noticed the Presbyterian
Synod of Ulster, who said it was contrary to their tenets,
and they would not recommend any children of their cot
gregation to attend the schools.

Sir F. BURDETT said, if the system was intended to
be one of national education there should be such an ar-
rangement as would prevent the Catholic from being su-
perior to the Protestant, and vice versa, and he did not
see how that could be accomplished better than by the
plan proposed by the Government. It would tend to di-
minish religious animosity, and introduce harmony between
the parties.
After a few observations from Sir R. INGLis and Mr.
A. JOHNSTONE, the petition was ordered to be printed.
Mr. WYSE said it was his intention to have brought
forward a motion respecting the Diocesan Schools in
Ireland ; but in order not to interfere with the time of the
House, and to further the Scotch and Irish Bills of Re-
form, he would postpone his motion to Monday, the 21st
instant.

Mr. J. WEYLAND postponed his Bill to consolidate
and amend the laws with respect to Licensed Victuallers.
till next Session.

Mr. PORTMAN rose to bring forward his motion re-
lative to the detention of John Capes at Jersey, when
Mr. LAMB requested him to postpone it, as he w.is in
hopes the complainant would be remedied without any dis-
cussion.

Mr. PORTMAN could not consent to postpone the
motion unless he clearly understood that Ministers would
lay on the tables of the House all papers necessary to eluci-
date the transaction.

Mr. LAMB said that all the papers necessary to eluci.
date the transaction should be laid on the table.

Mr. PORTMAN then consented to withdraw his
motion.

Mr. HUME moved fur a return of the names and
rank of every person now employed in the diplomatic ser-
vice, stating the date of his first appointment, and the
several offices he has held, and the actual period of service
abroad, and each rank; also a statement of the salary and
allowances each received at the present time for the office
he now held.---Agreed to.

Mr. DUNCOMBE moved for returns relative to the
ieensing of theatres.

REFORM BILL.

The SPEAKER then called upou
Lord JOHN RUSSELL who moved the Order of the
Day for taking into consideration the amendments made
by the Lords to this Bill. The Noble Lord said,
that in wishing to move that that House should
agree to those Amendments, he could not but
congratulate it and the country that the Bill had been re-
turned unchanged in any of its essential provisions, and
there be any doubt that the House would unanimously
unimpaired in its efficiency.—(Loud cheers.) The
points in which alterations had been made did not
call for a long discussion, nor, in his opinion, could
agree to ►hem. One of the alterations was in that
clause which had been originally introduced by the
Honourable Member for Bodmin, for the purpose
of preventing the future creation of the freeholders
for life. It was thought by the House of Lords that
this clause was too restricted, as it prevented some bona
fide freeholders enjoying that to which they were entitled.
The Noble Lord then went to state some other alterations.

The 10th clause had rather been extended than contracted
by the amendment of their Lordships. Some alte-
rations had also been introduced in regard to the
register, and a claust which was very important, in
consequences of the state in which the Boundary Bill
stood, had been added to the end of the Bill, which gave a
power not very extraordinary to his Majesty by an Order
in Council to fix the dates on which the registration
should begin, in place of, as before, fixing it on the 20th
of June. With regard to the other parts of the Bill, viz.
the schedule, he was happy to state that no alteration had
been made. Disfranchisement and enfranchisement were as

extensive as ever, and he had the satisfaction of thinking
that none of the benefits which the Bill was in-
tended originally to confer, would be diminished
or impaired by any alterations in it that bad taken
in it since it left that House.—(Cheers.)
The SPEAKER then put the question that these
amendments be now read a second time.
Sir E. SUGDEN rose, and was left speaking.