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Member for Lancashire, who certainly did persevere in spite
of the excitement raised against his views, until he established
a system of education in Ireland based on the true principles
of peace and charity. That question was brought first into
the other House, where the present Government was the
stronger. It was opposed on the grounds that the system
was unscripttiral, and sanctioned a mutilation of the word of
God. It was opposed in many places, among others at Exeter
Hall, where -a Right Hon. Gentleman, a Privy Councillor,
opposite, Mr. Shaw, opposed it in a speech, from which he
would give the House an extract :—" The Government,"
said Mr. Shaw, "might make what regulation it pleased,
but he trusted the people knew their duty too well to Submit
to its enactments."---( Cheers from the Oppoeition.)
Mr. SH A W—l deny any such speech.
Mr. SH E IL—lt is a printed report.
Mr. SHAW—No matter. I deny that what the Noble
Lord is rending ever fell from me.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL continued to read. "It might
degrade our mitres—it might deprive us of our property—but
if the Government dared to lay its hands on our Bible, then
we must come to an issue—( Cheers from the Opposition.)
We will cover it with our bodies, we will. My friends, will
you permit your Christian brethren to cry to you in vain ?
In the name of my country and of my country's God, I will
appeal from a British House of Commons to a British public.
—(Much cheering from the Opposition.) My countrymen
would obey the laws so long as they were properly adminis-
tered; but if it was sought to lay sieri!egious hands on their
Bible—to tear that standard of the living God, and raise a
mutilated one in its stead ; then it would be no time to halt
between two opinions—then in every valley and on every hill
would resound the rallying cry of " To your tents, 0 Israel !"
—( Loud and continued cheering from the Opposition.) That
is a speech, continued thC Noble Lord, extracted from a paper
of the Honourable and Learned Gentleman's own
and which bad been quoted by Lord Radnor in the House of
Lords, although there the Honourable and Learned Gentleman
had only taken that opportunity of denying it.--( Cheers.) The
Orangemen of Ireland did think, and fairly, that when the late
Ministry was overturned, they should get rid of the unscriptu-
ral system of education. It was the fate of the late Govern-
ment, from the impartial position they had taken, to have
had to endure the fire of the two opposite parties. The
Orangemen thanked his Majesty for dismissing a Ministry
who had established an anti-scriptural system of education by
mntilatine the word of God—such was the feeling of that
party with respect to that system. Now, if any one principle
was immutable it was that, an Act of Parliament, so far from
being altered or opposed, while the law of the land—it was to
be carried into effect to its fullest letter. How then were the
Hon. Gentlemen opposite with the Hon. and Learned Gentle-
man (Mr. Shaw) to lend their assistance to a system which
mutilated the word cf God ?—( Hear, hear.) Let them not
stand by that system, or at once tell the Orangemen of Ireland,
and all others opposed to that system of education, we think
that system a wise one, and vou must receive it. Let the coun-
try have one declaration or the other-4 Cheers.) Let not the
Government on the one hand promote and protect the mem-
bers of exclusive and intolerant associations, while on the other,
they were assuming credit with a British House of Commons,
for-the liberal and comprehensive policy on which it was dis-
posed to govern Ireland.—( Cheers.) That system he would
tell them was not wise, and more than that, it was not honest.—
( Cheers.) He had, he trusted, vindicated satisfactorily the
consistency of his own conduct, and having done so, he would
ask Hon. 'Gentlemen opposite, on what uniform plan had they
determined, on which Ireland was to be governed ?—( Loud
cheering. )
Sir HENRY lIARI)INGE had never opposed the plan
for national education, nor had his Right Hon. Friend near
him ; but, on the contrary, both that Gentleman and himself
had supported it. He confessed he was not a little surprised
when he saw the Noble leader of the Opposition in that
House coalesce in opinion with the Hon. and Learned Mem-
ber for Dublin, when it was generally in the-recollection of
Hon. Members that the Hon. and Learned Gentleman had
from time to time, and even very lately, denounced that Noble
Lord and his late colleagues and supporters as fit objects far
impeachment and the block.--( Hear.) A coalition with that
Hon. and Learned Member was, in his opinion, a highly pro-
per topic to dwell on, to show the inconsistency of the -Noble
Lord and his supporters, whom he had designated (without any
qualification) as feeble, base, and contemptible. What would
the House think of this coalition, after the speech of the Hon.
and Learned Member in February, in Dublin, when profes-
sing his willingness to accept of office suitable to his ambi-
tion, and that only provided the Noble Lord and his political.
friends came again into power, when it was part of that
speech thht he wished nothing so much as the repeal of
the Union, and hoped to see soon an Irish Parliament
sitting in College-green ? After their known sentiments
on repeal,- how could the Whig Opposition ever consent to
associate itself with the leader of the Radical repeal party
within that House, seated on the Opposition benches ? In
reply to the observation made as to his Gallant Friend
(Colonel Perceval), he begged to state, that a fals;e im-
pression had been attempted to be created against him, by
attributing to him what he did not say. He had, with
his • characteristic candour, said that were he convinced an
Orange lodge was an illegal assembly, he would immediately
cease to be a member of an Orange. lodge.—( Hear, hear.)
Having repelled these, which formed the most prominent.
points of the attack to-night, and not being able to devote his
time to the perusal of Irish party Papers, he could not take
upon himself to say how far the threat of affixing to a man's
doer a death's head and cross-bores might have justified the
Lord Lieutenant of Kerry county in conceiving it was a threat
of assassination ; but this he knew, that he had seen a repre-
sentation from the highest authority—namely, that Noble
Lord Lieutenant—that a conviction existed is the minds of
almost all that nothing less than such a fearful result was ap-
prehended by voters, who would fain otherwise have voted ;iv
the candidate who did not stand cn the interest of the Hon. and
Learned Member for Dublin; and he also knew that many in
that House were prepared to depose on oath that by that sym-
bol the party was intended to be marked out for assassination.—
( Hear.) In answer to the question of the Noble Lord, he
would fearlessly and confidently, of his own knowledge, state
it was the intention of the Irish Government to carry on that
Government on the fairest and most impartial principles.—
( Loud cheering from the Ministerial benches.)
Lord J. Rt SSEL Is remarked upon the absurdity of the
inference attempted to be drawn, that from his voting, if ne-
cessary, to-night with the lion. and Learned Member, it was:
an assent on his part to the general principles of the Hon. and,
Learned Member for Dublin on other questions. He assured
the [louse he had never given his assent to such a coalition sus
that alluded to, nor had. he ever been asked to do so. What.
was there singular in voting with that Hon. and Learned Mem-
ber, when it was well known that he and his colleagues in oTtee
had voted frequently with him (Mr. O'Connell) for about a.
year and a half on the reform and other questions? Might
they not now vote again together ?
Sir H. HARDING E, as easily as the Noble Lord, could
change his mind when 'in power, when he had promoted
Reform in Parliament—though he had said, in 1827, theee—
were he in power with the Whigs—he could not came to
the determination to carry the question of Reform, in Par-
liament.

Lord JOHN RUSSELL explained that—in that in-
stance—sitting' as he did, on the Ministerial side of the
House, he had expressed the opinion that he and his friends
would not be inclined then to carry the Reform question, be-
cause he did not feel that the advocates of Reform had urged
the question with sufficient zeal and anxiety upon theLegis-
lature.—(Hear.)

Mr. MA URI-CE O'CONNELL contended that the Nol&
Lord Lieutenant of the county of Kerry had, though ple:iged
to stand neuter in the last election, sought an occasion to
break that engagement, and found it in the oft-alluded to raw
head-and-bloody-bones. The Honourable. Member quoted a
case where, in consequence of a refusal of a voter to tender
his vote for tl7.c 'Knight of Kerry, "the Lord Lieutenant' broke
hit I,ll.'.:"o'ge, and in half an hour after impounded the voter's
cows as a distress for the hanging gale of rent.
Mr. 'MULLINS contended the Knight of Kerry lost the
good wishes of the voters because he had supported the great-
est oppressors of Ireland when they (the l)uke of Wellington
and Sir IL Peel) were in office. It was this distrust lost him
the election in 1831, in 1833, and lastly in 1835.
The question was then put and carried. without a division,
and the addreSs agreed to.

Dr. BOWRING, for his Hon. Friend Mr. Hume, moved
for a copy of the letter from the Right Hon. the Secretary at
War to the Lords of the Treasury, respecting she office of
Governor of Guernsey, and the emoluments from tithes of
corn, from the King's revenue, and other sources ; also, a
statement of the amount of these several emoluments, distin-
guishing the amount of each branch. Also for a return of the
naval and military duties performed by the Right Hon. Lord
Carrington as Captain of Deal Castle, and by the Captain
and Lieutenant of Sandown Castle, stating whether resident
or non-resident, and the amount of salary and emoluments re-
ceived by each, and from what funds paid. Also for a Select
Committee on the preparing and printing the journals and
other papers, including Acts of Parliament, printed for the
two Houses and for the public.
These three motions were agreed to.
PRINTED PAPERS.
On the motion of Mr. HUME that a Select Committee he
appointed to consider the manner in which the Journals,
Bills, and Papers, arc prepared and printed for the use -of both
Houses of Parliament ; their numbers, expense, distribution,
and quantity in store; the number of Acts of Parliament
printed for both Houses of Parliament, and for the public
service, their expense, and distribution ; also, those for the
use of the public, and the prices at which sold ; and the esta.
blishments requisite for conducting the same ; to consider
whether any and what alteration can be made in the existing
system, with benefit to the public; and also for reports from
Select Committees on printing, Session 1828 ; on King's
Printers' patent, 1831-2 ; Public Documents, 1833 ; House
of Commons' officers and fees, 1833-4 ; Private Bill Fees,
1834, it was referred to the following Committee :4dx.
Hume, Joseph I3rotherton, J. Sandon, Lord
Guest, J. Murray, J A. Gladstone, W. E.
0 Brien C. Talk, Charles A. Lowther; viscount
Wrottesley, Sir J. B. Bowring, Dr. Braiwton, T. W.
Tooke, W. Rice, T. 8 Plgot, li. .
Willis, J. • Fremantle, Sir
Divctt, E. Knatchbull, Sir E. Sinclair, G.
Littleton, E. J. Inglis, Sir R. 11. Grimston, lion. E.
Scholefleld, J. Ashley, Lord Rohe, it. M.
Ruthren, E. S. Graham, Sir J. It. G. Pollock, sft.
Smith, It. Vernon Elphinstone, IToward
• Mr.:, Sergeant O'LOGHLIN moved for the copy of any
letter or report addressed to the Chief or Under Secretary for
Ireland by any Magistrate, or any inspector or officer of police
relative to a meeting of the Protestants of Tyrone, held at
Dungannon on the 19th of December last, or the proceedino
at that meeting.
Sir H. H ARDINGE had not had time to communicate
with the office in Ireland, where the documents eves e depo-
sited, but did not believe;there would be any objection to their
production. .
The motion was-then deferred until the 20th of this month.
Sergeant O'LOGHLIN then moved for the copy of

any correspondence between the Rev. Thomas Locke, Rector
of Newcastle, in the county of Limerick, and the Chief or
Under Secretary for Ireland, from the month of February,
1834, to the present time, relative to the collection of tithes
payable to Mr. Locke ; and also of any correspondence on
that subject during the same period between the Chief or
Under Secretary for Ireland and the Commander of the
Forces, or any magistrate or officers of police in the Limerick
district.

Sir H. HAR D INGE said he had no objection to the pro-
duction of the correspondence, but must reserve to himself a
discretion upon the subject. The House would perceive that
good faith could not be maintained between the Government
and private individuals if all correspondence was to be laid be-
fore the House. He must first ascertain the nature of the do-
cuments moved for previous to his giving his consent for their
production.
Mr. SHE IL gave notice that lie should on Monday move
for the production of all rules and regulations of the Provost
and Senior Fellows of Trinity College, Dublin, relating to
Orange Lodges within the precincts of the University.
Mr. O'CONNE L L gave notice of a motion respecting, as
we understood, the case of Captain Robison.