The Sun.
London, England, 1866-02-03 00:00:00

THE LOSS OF THE LONDON.

The official inquiry was resumed this morning at
Greenwich, when some of the other members of the
, crew were examined, but their evidence was in a
, great measure merely a repetition of that already
adduced. The assessors have now had before them
witnesses to speak to the construction of the vessel,
her cargo, and navigation, and at the close of the
evidence they will make a report to the Board of
Trade based upon the evidence adduced. The
; public interest in the inquiry, judging from the
attendance this morning, seems to have in a great
measure closed with the examination of the engi-
neers. Nothing beyond that which is now on re-
cord can ever be known relative to the last and fatal
voyage of the steam vessel London.
, The following is the concluding portion of the
evidence given yesterday, and which appeared in
our late edition :
John Jones, chief engineer, said—The engines
were working well on the morning of the 10th.
At that time orders were given to go at all
speed. Mr. Greenhill gave the order, he having
received it from Captain Martin. Mr. Green-
hill was on watch at that time. I did not hear
the order given. My watch would commence
at half-past four on the morning of the 10th. When
my last watch terminated I went sometimes to rest
and at other times into the engine room. Up to
that time everything was going well in the engine
room. My watch commenced and continued till
half-past eight, during which time the vessel was
going at full speed. My watch again commenced
at half-past four in the afternoon. I was then re-
lieved by the second engineer. After this I did not
leave the engine room for many minutes together.
I merely went on deck and remained a few minutes.
On the 10th, when I went off watch in the
morning, it was blowing a complete gale. When
I commenced my watch on the evening of
the 10th, I found the things all right in the
engine room. She was then going at full
speed. At half-past eight I went off duty. I was
relieved by the second engineer, where I remained
until half-past ten at night, when the big sea came
and washed away the skylight of our engine-room.
I came from my berth directly, and went into the
engine-room and found the second engineer stand-
ing by the engines. The room was flooded. I did
not remain to see the depth of water there. There
was a great body of water coming down the hatch-
way. I ran on deck and saw the whole of the
skylight gone. I don't know what became of
it. It was a dark, bitter night. I then went
below, and shortly after, in a minute or two, the
engines stopped themselves. The water came down
over the engines, and ran into the stoke-hole.
When I went down the second time the fires were
out. I did not observe how they were when I first
went down.
Captain Harris—Do I understand that all this
occurred very rapidly ?
Witness—Yes, sir, very. Between the shipping
the sea and the stopping of the engine. The cover-
ing of the hatch was made of wood and glass. The
wood appeared to be very thick and stout.
Mr. O'Dowd—When you found the fires were
out and the engines not working, what did you do ?
Witness—Shut the doors of the after bulk head.
That is the door that enters the screw alley. I then
went upon deck. The water was at times stream-
ing down the hatchway every time we shipped a
sea. The vessel was then labouring very heavily,
and constantly shipping seas. Tarpaulings and can-
vas were brought, and they tried to nail them down
over the aperture, but the men dashed into the lee
scuppers and were washed away. All hands were
engaged in efforts to save the ship. The pumps on
deck were all going. The crew behaved very well.
I did not see anything to complain of. The pas-
sengers assisted at the pumps and exerted them-
selves with buckets to bail the water out. Saloon
and cabin passengers all worked together with the
greatest energy. I can't say whether any attempt
was made to relieve the ship by putting on more
canvas. I was going forward on the morning of the
10th to get breakfast when the sea struck the vessel
and I was knocked into the scupper. My shoulder
was hurt ; and I received a blow on the head as I

was . getting into the boat, but that was done by
. _

accident. Things continued in the same unhappy
state until the morning of the 11th. I was struck
by the sea before the water carried away the hatch
covering. My accident did not prevent my doing
duty. I went on deck on the morning of the 11th
just before daylight. The ship had been increasing
her water all night. She was in a most disabled
condition, and rolling in the trough of the
sea. I know nothing about the bursting in of
the stern ports. I did not hear personally the
order given to get the boats out. About two
o'clock in the afternoon I was on deck. The port
cutter was then ordered to be launched. I did not
see it done. I ran across the deck and got into the
boat. The boat rose with the sea ; I watched my
opportunity, and when she came up I put my foot
on the gunwale, got into her, and she went down
with me. The waves brought the boat up level
with the deck of the London. I was the last man
to get into the boat. I saw the captain in the
saloon before I left, he asked me how I felt, and I
replied " Not well." I suppose he referred to my
hurt. That was the only and the last observation
that I heard from him. I saw the ship go down.
At this time the crew were all engaged in praying
—all hope was gone. There were no loud sounds
that I heard, but a kind cf groaning, that was
all. I did not hear the ladies screaming. All
were quiet and resigned. When I got into
the boat I did not notice any other attempts to get
out other boats. I had only left the vessel four or
five minutes before. she went down. At that mo-
ment we were about 80 yards from her. A boat is
always allotted to each portion of the crew.
I did not think, when I was jumping into the boat,
to which of the crew it belonged. I saw the bows
of the London rise up in the air ; we in the boat
then went down between two large waves, and
when she rose again the London was gone for ever.

We drifted away with a few biscuits and raw veget-

ables aboard. We had no spirits. ~We sighted the
vessel that picked us up on Friday morning, the
12th, at about nine in the morning. The sea was
very rough when we left the vessel. We were
enabled to use the five oars, although the sea was
running very high. We did not ship much water
in the boat. When we saw a big sea coming we
gave the boat way and she weathered it. We
hoisted an old shirt on the top of a pole
as a signal to the ship. As soon as the
crew aboard the ship observed us, they
ran to the side, waved their caps, and cheered us on.
I think the log line was the first line thrown to us.
I took hold of it. I felt it was being pulled at the
other end. It was hove to us by one of the crew of
the ship. A large rope was thrown into the boat,
and soon after we were taken on board. There were
19 of us in the boat. She was built, I believe, to

carry 12.
Captain Harris--Was she steered by any one in
particular ?
Witness—No, sir ; she was steered principally by
those at the oars.

Captain Harris—She was steered, then, by oars,
not the rudder?

Witness—l saw two people had got hold of the
tiller, but the oars were the principal things that
steered us.

Captain Ilarris—Did any one give orders ?
Witness—No ; no one in particular. Some one
would shout pull one oar and another would call

out pull another, just as the sea was running to-
wards us. The captain of the barque Marianople
behaved with the greatest kindness to us in the
broadest sense of the term. He brought us to Fal-
mouth, where we were landed.
By Captain Harris—Our consumption was about
12 tons of coal a day—l mean 24 hours. We took
in coal at Plymouth. I believe it was 50 ton. We
burnt the coal on deck first. We had not taken any
from our bunkers up to the time of the loss. The

vessel pitched now and then, but nothing to be
frightened at. No orders were given to lower the

steam after the masts were gone that I am aware
of. No intimation was given that the ship had
sprung a leak.

By Captain Baker—No water of consequence
eame down into the 2engine-room before the very

heavy sea struck us. NN hen I
engine_
room there was about 14 feet of water. This was
about midnight of the 10th, We shut the door of
the after bulkhead immediately we were disabled. I
assisted in doing it.
John Greenhill—l was second engineer on board
the steamship London on her last voyage. I hold
a certificate of competency from the Board of
Trade. I joined the London on her first voyage,
and have been with her ever since. [This witness
then corroborated the evidence of the first engineer
(Jones) with respect to the efficiency of the machi-
nery, and also as to the quantity of coal on deck on
leaving Plymouth, which amounted to 50 tons.
The receipt note for 50 tons of best Welch coal
at Plymouth, signed by Robert Harris, was then
put in and read.
Examination continued—lt was blowing hard on
the Bth Jan., and on that day Capt. Martin gave
me orders to stop the engines. It is a common oc-
currence to stop the engines -when the wind is blow-
ing. The wind moderated towards the afternoon,
and at 5 p.m. on the 10th we got up steam again,
and continued it till the Wednesday. The wind
was blowing a storm at that time. (The witness
here described the condition of the rigging of the
vessel after the topmasts had been blown away.)
The port lifeboat was washed away on the 9th
(Tuesday). The gale continued to increase the
whole of that day. On the morning of Wednes-
day, the 10th, about 3 o'clock, the captain ordered
full steam to be got up ; we were going half speed
at the time. He gave me the order personally, as
he intended to turn the ship round and run for Ply-
mouth. He said nothing else. His orders were
obeyed. Up to this time the skylights were per-
fect, and the engines in good order. At 7 o'clock I
believed the London was going to Plymouth.
I understood the wind shifted after we
turned round. At 3 o'clock p.m. it was blowing
hard and a heavy cross sea was running. At half-
past 10 that night the skylight of the engine-room
was washed away by the sea. I was in the engine-
room at the time.
Mr. O'Dowd—What was the effect of the large
body of water entering that part of the vessel ?
Witness—ln about three minutes the fires were
put out, but the engines ran for seven or eight
minutes after the fires were extinguished. A por-
tion of glass and wood of the skylight came down
into the engine-room.
Mr. Traill--Then it was stove in by the sea and
not washed away?
Witness—Yes, I should say so. The next sea might
have carried it away. The skylight was at the
time fastened down inside, battened down and
covered with tarpauling.
Mr. Trail—Are you quite sure about that ?
Witness—Quite certain.
Mr. Traill—When were the tarpaulings put on ?
Witness—l know they were on the whole of;the
Wednesday. Two persons—one passenger and one
sailor—were washed down into the engine-room by
the sea that carried away the skylight. The water
washing about more than their depth put the fires out.
Shortly after the fires were out, and I had shut the
tunnel door to keep the water out,l went on deck.
There was no water in the tunnel; of that I am
sure. After the door was shut no water could get
into the tunnel. I came on deck after the fires
were out, at about a quarter to eleven. There was
then about five feet of water in the engine-room.
I there saw the chief officer, Mr. Harris, and the
passengers endeavouring to cover the hatchway
with sails, mattresses, tarpauling, and every-
thing they could get. I know a large
spar was placed across the hole, but I
cannot say it was the jibboon. The tem-
porary covering prevented the water going down
for a time. They were engaged trying to stop up
the hatchway from the time it was broken away
until 4 in the morning. At- that time the stern
ports were driven in, and then there was 14 feet of
water in the engine-room. I believe it all came
down through the hatch notwithstanding the efforts
made to keep it out. When the stern-ports were
washed away the vessel was settling down by the
stern. She was gradually going down as the water
increased. I heard Captain Martin give the
order to get the boats ready. It was done. The
two pinnaces and the port cutter were cleared of
all their lashings, and bread and water put into
them. The starboard iron boat went down as soon
as she touched the water. The forward end I be-
lieve was lowered too soon. There was no patent

lowering apparatus. Four of the crew and one
passenger were on board the boat when it swamped.
The people on board got on board the ship. The
other pinnace remained on board the London. At
two o'clock Captain Martin ordered the port
cutter to be launched. I was in it with
six or seven others. She reached the
water in safety. She was lowered by common
tackle. Captain Martin came to me at five minutes
to 2 and told me the boat was ready for lowering,
and that I was to go into her. I said I did not be-
lieve it was any good. He answered, "It was the
only chance." He again remarked, " There is no
chance in the ship, but there is some in the boat."
I then went to go into her, and as I stepped away
the captain shook hands with me, wished me God-
speed and good-bye. The boat was then
loweied. The first engineer and several
others got in after she was lowered. We num-
bered in all 19. Wo then pushed off as fast as we
could, seeing that the ship was going down. In
four or five minutes after leaving her I saw her go
down, stern first. I heard nothing said to the
captain about his going in the boat. We had a
compass. A sailor called out " What's the course ?"
and the captain replied, "E.N.E., 80 miles to
Brest." We had little or no hope of saving our
lives in the boat with such a sea as was running.
We made a good deal of water, but we bailed
it out with some tin cans and a bucket we had on
board. We had no water for drinking. The quan-
tity we had taken was lost by the plug coming out.
We were in the boat twenty hours.
By
Harris—Thehe told
there w
as
n captainehewpeas f
eorn
thethe
poop
when ship.
The people on boaid seemed regardless of launch-
ing the boat left after seeing the first one go down.
After we had pushed off I saw a rush on deck to the
boat but it was then too late.

By Captain Baker—The ship answered the helm
at noon on the 11th. As the vessel lurched to
leeward she took the water in in tons over her bul-
warks, and this all went below. I never heard
Captain Martin or any other person talking about
the height of the barometer. Captain Martin came

to the hatchway after it was washed away, and
asked various questions. lie seemed to entertain
hopes of saving the ship. All were assisting to

bail out the water. They handed the water up in

buckets through the after saloon. The donkey-
engine, I believe, was working when the ship went
down, as there is an independent engine for work-
ing that and.'ehain pumps. The coal on deck was
all thrown overboard before the fires were put out.

The coal bunkers bad been open for a few hours. I
did not see coal lying about the deck. For many
hours before she went down I was quite confident
she had gone by the stern.
The inquiry was again adjourned.

COURSE OF EXCHANGE—Last Evening.

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Ditto 3 Months. 12 1i
Rotterdam
Antwerp — 25 50
Brussels
Hamburg
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Ditto 3 Months. 25 47i
Marseilles
Prankforl on the Maine —120 k
Vienna — 10 70
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Madrid
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25 70
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Liberal Demonstration at Guildford.

GUILDFORD, Friday.

A banquet to celebrate the return to Parliament
of nine Liberal members for Surrey was held this
evening, in the County and Borough Hall, Guild-
ford ; Colonel Challoner, who some years ago un-
successfully contested the representation of the
county, presided, and was supported by Mr. Layard,
M.P., Under-Secretary for Foreign Affairs.; the
Hon. J. P. Locke King, M.P., Mr. C. Buxton,
M.P., Mr. J. I. Briscoe, M.P., Mr. Guildford
Onslow, M.P., Mr. T. Hughes, M.P., Mr. G. Leve-
son Gower, M.P., Sir E. Colebrooke, M.P., the
Hon. Capt. Egerton, the Hon. G. B. Wriottesley,
Mr. R. D. Mangles, Captain Mangles, and a large
number of local celebrities.
The customary loyal and patriotic toasts having
been drunk,
The CHAIRMAN proposed " The Health of her
Majesty's Ministers," coupling with the toast the
name of Mr. Layard.
Mr. LAYARD, in responding, said—Although I am
not unaccustomed to the task of addressing public
meetings, yet upon this occasion I must appeal to
your kindness and consideration, inasmuch as I am
labouring under a double sense of honour. In the
first place,ll have been introduced to you as one of
the Liberal members returned by the county, andin
the second place has been connected with the toast
of her Majesty's Government. lam one of those
who have never committed their principles to their
place, nor their place to their principles. (Cheers.)
I have entire confidence in the Government of which
Lord Russell is the head, and I feel that this county
and the country have also entire confidence in that
Government. This county, one of the most in-
fluential and important in Great Britain, has re-
turned no less than nine members to Parliament
who are pledged supporters of a Liberal Adminis-
tration. (Loud cheers.) We must not forget the cir-
cumstances under which the present Parliament
was elected. It was elected when there was a
man at the head of the Ministry who, from
the personal love borne to him by almost
every class and section of the people, occupied a
peculiar position in the hearts of all. So deep was
the affection experienced towards him that before
him .the rude voice of political warfare was almost
quelled. He has now passed away, but his memory
still lives among us. If it were not a paradox, I
would say that the reputation of Lord Palmerston
is not yet established in this country as largely as it
will be hereafter, and that out of the country it will
even be established more -extensively than in it.
(Hear, hear.) At the present moment the Govern-
ment of her Majesty is a Liberal Government, but
it must not be forgotten that it was Lord Palmers-
ton who developed, after it had been inaugurated by
Mr. Canning, that great foreign policy which is
based not on its alliances with popular liberty, but
upon popular liberty itself. (Cheers.) And not
only was Lord Palmerston a great statesman, but,
having had much personal intercourse with him, I
am able to say that his kindness towards those with
whom he was brought into contact was remarkable.
Few of you know how great this man's qualities
were—how kind, how conciliatory, and how encou-
raging he was to all who strove to rise under his
patronage. (Cheers.) I never failed to find in him
the most constant of friends, and I may add that
his memory was prodigious. Some years ago,
speaking in the house of Commons upon a subject
which deeply interested him, namely, the slave
trade, he mentioned that a slave in Brazil, who de-
sired to obtained his freedom, had twelve processes
to go through before he could obtain it. When he
sat down he turned to me and said, " I think you
will find all that in an extract from a newspaper
sent home twelve years ago from Brazil." (Cheers.)
Lord Palmerston always took a deep interest in the
abolition of the slave trade, and I am happy to say
that he lived to see almost the entire extinction of it.
Last year only one cargo escaped from the coast of
Africa, and the ship which bore it was captured before
it reached Cuba. (Cheers.) Lord Russell has now suc-
ceeded Lord Palmerston. I believe him to be a man of i
truly Liberal opinions. Many men are Liberals by im-
pulse, by fitsand starts, by hot and cold winds; but I '
believe that the Liberalism of LoTd 'Russell is founded
upon the strongest convictions. (Cheers.) In every-
thing, even to the most minute details, Lord Russell
is guided by a love for the liberty of his country.
(Cheers.) Of course you cannot expect me here to
divulge any secrets of the Government. I will not
do so for one good reason, namely, that I am not
acquainted with them. (Laughter and cheers.) At
the same time I am certain that whatever he does
Lord Russell will do in a liberal spirit ; and every
one is convinced that the time has come when that
class of our citizens who have most raised themselves
during this century—the working class—should have
a due share in the suffrage. (Loud cheers.) With
regard to our foreign policy, you know what Lord
Russell's policy has been already, and as head of the
Government you must know that it will continue to
be, founded upon Liberal opinions. As to the
foreign policy of a Liberal Government, I will
merely mention that during their tenure of office the
Liberals have concluded commercial treaties with
France, Italy, Belgium, Turkey, and last, though
not least, with Austria. We have actually seen
Austria falling in with our system of free trade.
(Cheers.) As regards the administration of my own
department, we have endeavoured, I think success-
fully, to conduct it upon a more satisfactory prin-
ciple than existed formerly. Young men do not now
undertake diplomacy as a mere idle amusement, but
they are thoroughly educated for the service. I
have seen the reports of our secretaries of legation
and attach6s, and I know that a great light has been
thrown by them upon the condition of • our trade,
and that they have received most favourable notice
from the press. Last summer, when the exhibition
at Moscow of the arts and products of the country
took place, and a deputation, headed by Mr. Sam-
son Lloyd, proposed to go to Moscow to examine
the manufactures of Russia, and to hold intercourse
with the manufacturers there, her Majesty's Govern-
ment entered warmly into the scheme, and sent Mr.
Mitchell to accompany them. Mr. Mitchell's report
will soon be laid before Parliament, and I hope
it will give you a good impression of the way
in which a junior member of the diplomatic corps
can discharge his duties. You will see from his
report how universally the principles of free trade
are getting hold of all mankind. I know that re-
citing statistics is a disagreeable thing, especially in
the presence of ladies, who are not supposed to
know anything about figures; but I only wish to
mention two facts. In 1812 our exports and im- '
ports amounted in value to £179,000,C00 ; last year
they amounted to £.196,000,000. In the meantime
the Chancellor of the Exchequer has been able to
reduce taxation by 16i millions, and the revenue,
instead of being impaired, has increased by nearly
£500,000 per annum. (Loud cheers.) These figures,
I think, say more than any eloquence of mine could
for the manner in which the public affairs of the
country have been conducted, and I trust there is
no Liberal in the country who wishes to see a diffe-
rent policy inaugurated. (Cheers.) As regards our
foreign alliances, they are in the most satisfactory
position. With France,
in particular, we are on
the best of terms, and if any country can be termed
our natural ally, it that- great country on the
other side of the Channel. I hope the time is far
distant when this country will have to go to war •
I believe that so long as England
and France re-'
main united not only a great war. is iMPOSSibIe, but
that the happiness of the human race will be pro-
moted and civilisation advanced. At the present
moment England and France are uniting to prevent
a war breaking out on the southern coast of America,
and I trust their efforts will end in
bringing the
unhappy quarrel which has sprung up between
Spain and Chili to a peaceful issue. (Cheers.) The
policy which I have d,fseribed has been the policy
of a Liberal Government. It has been carried out
in spite of the strongest opposition. Many of our
gfeatest measures-.a cheap Press, free trade, and
every great measure which has tended to promote
the HUI-ty of the country and the happiness of the
peoPle—have been carried by very small majorities
against the determined opposition of the other side.
(Loud cheers.) Hoping that you will always bear
that great fact in mind, I beg to thank you for the

patience and kindness with which you have heard
me. _

The CHAIRMAN briefly pro.posed " The Health of
the Liberal Member for West Surrey."
Mr. BRISCOE returned thanks.
Sir T. E. COLEBROOKE, M.P., proposed " The
Members for East Surrey."
Mr. LOCKE KING, M.P., thanked the company
for the warm manner in which they had received
his name, and the proposer of the toast for the kind
way in which he had given it. He was exceedingly
glad to meet them there that evening, because he
could not help calling this a splendid demonstration
of the Liberal strength in Surrey. (Hear, hear.)
He hoped that he also observed in it a determina-
tion to do still more in the future—(applause)—not
only to pursue the course which they had in times
past, but to go a step further in those which were
to come. He was glad to be there in what he was
proud to call the capital of his native county.
(Hear, hear.) His family had been attached to it
for many generations, and had uniformly belonged
to what they called the Liberal party. It might be
in the recollection of some of the oldest Liberals
present that it was a Surrey man who stood up by
himself and from the very first condemned what he
called the iniquity of the corn laws. (Applause.)
He attacked it year after year, week after week,
and exposed the injustice of those laws. He was a
neighbour of theirs, and so was his father. (Ap-
plause.) He felt that they were there for many
reasons. Amongst others that they wished to show
a compliment to the great body of liberal electors
who had done so much for the honour of this
country. They wished to encourage those of their
representatives who had been in Parliament before
to pursue the same course as that in which they won
their esteem, and also that they should do some-
thing more in the future. (Hear, hear.) He was
proud to say that the county of Surrey stood in a
very proud position amongst the Liberal party, for
out of eleven members which were sent to the
House of Commons the Liberals returned nine.
(Hear.) What precious gems the Tories mustthink
the other two were. (Laughter.) These two must
want an enormous deal of nursing, they (the Tory
party) must take care not to expose them too
much to the blasts of ill winds, they must keep
these precious relics of antiquity well wrapped
up in cotton in some box, which he hoped some
day they (the Liberals) would be able to
break into, and scatter these precious relics to the
wind. (Hear, hear.) He felt that he had a right
to claim all praise for the eastern division of Surrey.
That part of the county, including the boroughs,
had a population of upwards of 700,000. East
Surrey had only seven representatives, and all those
seven were Liberals. (Applause.) Not a single
Tory dare show himself, and yet every temptation
had been given to them to do so. He thought that
Western Surrey ought to take a lesson from it.
They had one member for about 25,000 of the
population, while the eastern division had only one
for every 100,000 of the population. In the western
part they had two Liberals and two Tories. West
Surrey ought not to remain in this anomalous state.
With respect to those two questions—finance and
reform—he would say that their present favourable
state of taxation was in a great measure owing to
that great man the present Chancellor of the Ex-
chequer. He had somehow or other made taxation
fall so lightly upon them that they were more con-
tented now in paying something like £70,000,000
annually than they were when they paid £50,000,000.
(Yes, and No.) He belonged to that wonderful
class of Chancellors of the Exchequer who did not
dread a surplus. He remembered quite well in for-
mer times that what a Chancellor of the Exchequer
dreaded more than anything else was to have a sur-
plus. Their present Chancellor of the Exchequer
had remitted taxation with the surplus which he had
at his disposal. (Hear, hear.) Reform just now
was a very dull topic. (No, no.) Many years ago
he was what was called a mischievous person, and
proposed a simple measure of enfranchisement in
counties. (Hear, hear.) This topic bad been taken
up in four Reform bills. Lord Derby adopted it in
towns, but their fingers were too dirty and unhal-
lowed to touch this question. When the last Re-
form Bill was introduced Lord Palmerston was at
the head of affairs. The greatest praise was due to
him for his foreign policy. Ile (the hon. gentle-
man) quite agreed with his hon. friend Mr. Layard,
that he upheld the peace df Europe. But as a
Foreign Minister he changed his views, for at one
time he was a warlike Minister, and he became a
Minister of peace. On the subject of reform he never
agreed with Lord Palmerston. He might say that
he completely mesmerised the House of Commons
on this question. From that sleep they bad not yet
recovered, and he believed that they would find the
great bulk of the House of Commons were farther
off from reform—from passing any great measure of
reform--than they were ten years ago. Practically
there were three necessary points in reform. First,
the disfranchisement of boroughs; second, the re-
distribution and enfranchisement of towns ; the en,-
franchisement of the country ; and, lastly, exten-
i sion in the boroughs. He did not see, looking at it
practically, that it was possible to disfranchise
boroughs, because a great many of them belonged
to the Liberals. (Hear.) They would go dead
against any measure of reform which touched them.
But where reform was most needed—and that was
his hobby—was in the counties—(applause)—for in
the counties they had a vast number of people who
lived in houses between £5O and £lO. ',Hear, hear.)
That was where they wanted reform. He had the
greatest confidence in Earl Russell. He believed
that he would pass the largest measure of reform
that he possibly could ; but still he was afraid it
would come far short of that which real reformers
required. He hoped and trusted that the bill would
be one which would be worthy of the intelligence
and education of the people of this country.
(Cheers.)

Mr. BUXTON also addressed the meeting.
Mr. LONG proposed " The health of Mr. Onslow,
the Liberal Member for Guildford," which was re-
ceived with cheers. He expressed great satisfaction
at the conduct of the borough which returned him,
placing him at the head of the poll. (Cheers and
musical honours.)

Mr. ONSLOW returned thanks.
Mi. GASSIOT then proposed " The Members for
Southwark," which was received with cheers.
Mr. LOCKE responded.
Capt. MANGLES next proposed " The health of
Mr. T. Hughes, M.P. for Lambeth," which was
also very cordially received.
Mr. HUGHES, who, on rising, was greeted with
cheers, said that he found himself in a difficult posi-
tion, because he was called on to answer for a great
mystery. His hon. friend had been called on to
answer for the mystery of the new reform bill, on
which he judiciously said nothing , and he (Mr.
Hughes) had been called on to answer for the great
mystery of the casual ward in Lambeth, which,
however, he avowed that he could not enlighten
them on. At the same time an extraordinary pro-
duction had brought before them in a very striking
and forcible manner the existence of a very dan-
gerous class, who were, after all, the representatives
of classes quite as dangerous who were to be found
in the purlieus of Pall-mall, and the most fashion-
able quarters. There were, in fact, dangerous
classes at both ends of society, and he contended
that a reform bill would be quite as likely to benefit
one as the other class. There were men who said
that this country was going on so well that there
was no need of reform. But he said that though he
was proud of being an Englishman, there was no
department of life in this country, visible or in-
visible, moral or physical, which did not need re-
form. (Cheers.) Look at the question of educa-
tion. We talked of being the best educated nation
in the world, when there was not a man or woman
in Prussia, Germany, or America, except those
whom we had sent there, who could not read and
write. Look at the state of London ; whether they
knew it ornot he did not know, but every other day
a man, 'woman, or child, died of starvation. The
recent clearances which had been made by the rail-
ways showed that people were in the habit of livinc,
c,
together like herrings in a barrel. He pointed out
the need of reform in that portion of the law which
related to the providing new dwellings for the
population so displaced, and contended that the
poor people who were so turned out ought be com-