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he might be assured they would never again send him

requisition.

Colonel SIBTHORPE opposed the motion. It could
not be for the honour of Parliament to have such language
on their Journals, for the inspection of future Parliaments.

Sir F. TRENCH said be could easily explain to the
Hon. Member for Louth why it was that Government had
allowed the petitions on the Reform question to be printed,
it was because they then encouraged agitation, and now
were anxious to allay it.
Sir THOMAS DENMAN did not consider it ne-
cessary to answer the insinuations of the Gallant Gentle-
man. But if the Hon. Gentleman believed those charges,
so also might the petitioners believe that the hierarchy
was a curse to Ireland, yet both might be wrong. How-
ever, it was better that such opinions should be expressed
than brooded over in silence.

Captain GORDON opposed the motion, and would
certainly take the sense of the House upon it, if it was
pressed.

Mr. DIXON supported the motion.
Mr. S. RICE had no hesitation in saying, that the lan-
guage used was very improper, but it was already on the
table of the House, and made public, so he could see no
reason for opposing the printing of it.
Mr. SHAW said, all he contended for was, that peti-
tions should express their sentiments in proper and mo•
derate terms. He had told the Hon. and Learned Member,
with the view of a compromise, that he would not object
to its lying on the table, provided there was no discussion,
but he would not consent to its being printed. The ex-
pression of the hierarchy being a curse to the country was
too violent, and he should oppose the printing of the
petition.
Mr. WYSE would vote for printing the petition, be-
cause be was of opinion tbat the sentiments of no class of
people should be rejected by the House. It was a matter
of history that there had been established in Ireland by the
hierarchy a code of penal laws that was very injurious le
the country, and therefore it was not untrue to say that
that hierarchy had been the curse of Ireland.

Mr. HUME asked whether it could be denied that the
hierarchy of the Irish Church was a curse to that country.
He took the fair meaning of the word " curse" to be
" injury," and he thought the day was passed when the
truth should not be spoken in that House. If the House
were too squeamish, and rejected the petition, because of
one or two words, it would very much narrow the door
to the reception of petitions.
The House then divided on the motion for printing the
petition, when there appeared—

For the motion - 3 O 3O
Against it , 2l
Majority
The petition was then ordered to be printed
THE DECCAN PRIZE MONEY.

Mr. WARBURTON rose to present two petitions from
Sir Thomas Hislop and Sir Lionel Smith, relative to their
claims, upon the distribution of the Deccan Prize money,
and said that he understood the Gazette of this evening►
would contain a warrant for the distribution of that
money, of which he believed the petitioners were entitled
to about 20,0001. each.
Lord ALTHORP interrupted the Hon. Member, and
put it to him, that as the warrant for the distribution
of the prize money was already printed in this
Evening's Gazette, and as it could not be altered by what
might take place to-night, whether it was necessary to
bring forward the petitions so as to create what must of
course result—a very long discussion.

Mr, WARBURiON was understood to assent to the
hint thrown out by the Noble Lord.
The Speaker's Pension Bill went through a Committee,
was read a second time, and ordered to be committed to-
morrow.

The Land Tax Commissioners' Names Bill went through
a Committee. Report to be received to-morrow.
The Committee on the Consolidated Fund Biil was
postponed till Monday.

The Public Accounts Bill was read a second time, and
ordered to be committed to-morrow.

The Exchequer Bi1!s Bill was read a third titre, and
passed.
The Sugar Duties Bill was read a third time, and
passed.
The third reading of the Glass Duties Bill was post-
poned till to-morrow.
The Aberdeen Colleges Bill, after some observations
from Mr. DICKSON and Sir C. FORBES, was read a second
time.

In answer to a question from Sir C. FORGES, Mr.
SPRING Rica said that the arrangement had been made
with the consent both of Marischal and King's College,
they being convinced that the College of Aberdeen, by
the arrangement, would be greatly benefited, as they
would be enabled with the money granted to them to
purchase such books as were more especially wanted.
Mr. lIUME said that the arrangement was a most ex-
cellent one, and calculated to confer great benefit on all
parties.—The Bill was then ordered to be committed to-
morrow.

SUPPLY.

On the motion of Lord ALTHORP, the House resolved

:self into a Committee of Supply.

Lord ALTHORP said the first vote on the list was
one of compensation for Sir A. B. King. Before going
into it he would explain to the House why it was
that lie now proposed that vote, having on a former
occasion opposed it. When the present Government came
into office, they found that a reference had been made
with regard to the office of King's printer in Ireland, it, by
a vote of that House, having been abolished ; both parties
appointed referees, but he (Lord Althorp) understood that
the late Government did not consider themselves as bound
to abide by the decision, which had led him, when he
came into office, to look into the case and that
was the principal reaso❑ why he bad before op-
posed this grant. He was afterwards informed
that the Government had actually pledged themselves
to abide by the decision of the arbitrators, there-
fore he, thinking that it would be a bad practice
for a new Administration to refuse to fulfil the
agreements of their predecessors, he felt himself
bound also to consider himself as pledged to early the ar-
rangement into effect. He did propose and support the
vote, although in his own mind the amount was one that
ought not to be granted, but be considered it as his
duty to support it now, under the circumstances. The
Noble Lord concluded by proposing a vote of 2,5001. a
year for the purpose of remunerating Sir A. B. King for
the loss of his patent office.
Mr. HUME was extremely sorry that the Noble Lord
had allowed himself to be turned by urgent applications
' from the other party, as it appeared to be even against his
own better judgment. If any new matter had been
laid before hint on the question, it ought to be corn-
municated to the House before it was called upon to agree
to this large grant. The circumstances of the case were,
some time ago a Committee sat upon the Irish Estimates,
when the whole question of Irish stationery came be-
fore them. Some of the charges were found to be
such as ought not to be allowed, and it was thought
better th;:t the stationery for Ireland should be supplied
from the Head-office here. The Chairman of the Committee
(Lord F. L. Gower) was desirous to take steps to see how
the patent office of King's Stationer in Ireland could be
abolished, whether Mr. A. B. King would take a sum of
money down, or whether he would prefer an annuity.
The Committee at this time thought the patent was one
for life, and not revokable at the pleasure of the Treasury.
Arrangements were entered into with the patentee, and the
case was referred as had been stated. A change then took
place in the Government, and the present Chancellor of
the Exchequer took the opinion of the Law Officers of the
Crown, who reported that the patentee was not entitled to
a farthing, therefore that Noble Lord, as the guardian of
the public purse, refused to give away a sum of money
for a patent which the Treasury had revoked, and
in that was supported by a large majority of that
House,—(Hear, hear.) Since then nothing had
been laid before the House to induce him to alter his opi-
nion; he would, therefore, unless some new matter was
furnished, move that the grant be altogether relused.
Lord ALTHORP said, that it was impossible to pro-
duce any new matter on the question. He had changed
his opinion in consequence of having learned circumstances
previously unknown to him. He could not allow that
his virtue was easy—(A laugh)—and if he thought he had
a choice, he certainly would not propose the vote.
Mr. LEADER was of opinion that Sir A. B. King's
case was fair, clear, and honest, and entitled to the con-
sideration of the House.

Mr. S. RICE said, that although patents of this kind
were only granted during pleasure, still the usage was to
continue them where there were no instances of misbe-
haviour. Sir A. B. King had purchased his patent. He
(Mr. S. Rice) was a member cf the Committee of 1829,
and yet felt himself justified in supporting the vote. But
even the present arrangement would prove to be economi-
cal. In consequence of the revocation of the patent, a
saving equal to 10,0001. a year would be effected in the
supply of stationery to Ireland.—(Hear, hear.) Had
the facts now brought forward been known in due time
to the Treasury, the vote would have been proposed
last year.
Sir A. DALRYMPLE considered the Chancellor o!
the Exchequer's statement quite satisfactory.
Mr. WARBURTON thought that the Treasury mi-
nutes, and the instructions to the referees, ought to have
been laid before the House.

Mr. S, RICE said, that the instructions and Treasury