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IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

ROUSE OF COMMONS, JULY 30.
The SPEAKER resumed the Chair a few minutes before fiv
O'clock.

IPSWICH ELECTION.
When the Gallery was opened, we found Mr. Clip-
' perton at the Bar, and the SPEAKER engaged in re-
primanding
him. The first sentences we caught were as
follows :—" This is conduct which admits of no excuse—the
knowledge which you have acquired in your profession ought
to have warned you against the commission of such an offence,
and impressed you with a just sense of its injurious consequences
to your own character, and to the administration of justice.
On the contrary, you have forgotten the duty you owe to
• yourself and to the public. You afforded money to certain wit-
nesses in order to keep them out of the way, and thus you
became implicated in an aggravated opposition to the autho-
rity and the privileges of this House. Under these circum-
stances this House, as it ought to be, always prompt
and vigorous in the vindication of those useful and
acknowledged privileges which arc so useful to the pub-
lic, by the maintenance of the authority of this House,
has found itself under the necessity of visiting your
offence with severe punishment. Trusting that the
contrition which you have expressed ia real, and
that you will never cease to feel regret and sorrow that
you should have so misconducted yourself a..; to have incurred
the heavy displeasure of the assembled representatives cf tly,
people of this country, I have now to inform you that 0*:, the i
payment of your fey A yeu are discharged."
Mr. Aldernian WOOD moved that his notice for -a
Bill for I
the better regulation of steam boats on the P•
which was dropped, might have precede,—
...iver Thames,
" .. The SrEAKr,g'ra reply was per ee on an early day.
.., Mr. WI LBR A HAM ctly inaudible.
the name of whiel- • a.i-esented a petition from some place,
Mopol .. it was impossible to hear, against the Salt
on India.
he petition was supported by two lion. Members whose
names were not known in the gallery, and
Mr. EWART, who said that no persons whatever
were kept in such a state of bondage as those
who were engaged in this trade. He cited the evidence of
the late Bemon Roy before the Committee on the East
India Bill as strongly in favour of the petition.
The House was then summoned to the House of Lords to
hear the Royal Assent given to certain Bills, for which see
our Lords' report. The new Sergeant at Arms (Sir W. Gos-
sett) officiated on this occasion for the first time.

IRISH CHURCH. On the SPEAKER'S return, Mr. E. J. STANLEY brought up
the Report of the resolution of the committee on the 3d and
4th of Wm. 4., c. 100, respecting the advance for tithes.
Mr. HUME understood that the bringing up this Report
was a mere matter of form, and that -when the resolutions
were agreed to, then would be the time to propose the money
clauses.
The Report was laid on the table.
GREAT YARMOUTH ELECTION.

Lord F. EGERTON brought up a Report from the Com.
mittee on this election, stating that one of the witnesses,
Wm. Prentice, had refused to answer questions put to him
by the Committee, on the ground, as he asserted, that his
answers would tend to criminate himself, although the Com-
mittee had, previously informed him that he was bound to an-
swer. The Noble Lord concluded by moving that this person
be ordered to attend at the bar of the House to-morrow.
Mr. WARBURTON—Had the Noble Lord reason to ap
prebend that this witness would absent himself during the in-
terval?
Lord F, EGERTON did not entertain any apprehension
that the witness would abscond, but this was entirely matter of
individual opinion.
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL—Would the Noble Lord
state the circumstances under which this Report was made?
Lord F. EGERTON did not think that it would be very
judicious to state the circumstances.
Mr. WYNN suggested that the short-hand writer's notes
should be read. He understood the short-hand writer was in
attendance.
Mr. WILK S thought the whole of the examination should
be read.
Mr. HUME then moved that the short-hand-writer should
be called in.
The SPEAKER then asked the Sergeant to summon the
short-hand-writer.
Mr. Gurney appeared at the Bar, and read the notes of
the evidence he had taken, from which it appeared that
William Prentice had refused to answer several questions
that had been put to bhn by the Committee, on the ground
that they tended to criminate himself.
Mr. Gurney having concluded the reading of the evidence,
Mr. WYNN said that if the witness was within reach
of the House, he thought it would be better that he should be
called to the Bar without loss of time.
The SPEAKER then directed_ the Sergeant-at-Arms to
bring William Prentice to the Bar if he was in attendance.
The Sergeant-at-Arms informed the House that Mr. Pren-
tice was not in attendance.
Sir R. INGLIS thought it would be advisable to have the
evidence printed.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL moved that Prentice be directed
to attend at the bar to-morrow, and that the evidence be in
the meantime printed.—Agreed to.
Mr. HUME asked a question of the Noble Lord the Secre-
tary at War (Lord Palmerston) relative to the Post Office,
but the noise in the body of the House prevelited our hearing
either the question or answer.
Mr. HUTT begged to ask the Right Hon. the President
of the Board of Trade why the steamers trading from the
port of Hull to London were prevented from coming up the
Pool by some regulation of the Custom-house ?
Mr. P. THOMSON's answer was quite inaudible.
Mr. E WART complained that the Board of Customs had
issued orders also affecting the port of Liverpool, which
evinced a total want of local knowledge.
Mr. HUTT would persevere in bringing this subject before
the House, as the regulation seriously affected the interests of
his constituency.

PUBLIC CHARITIES.
Mr. HARDY brought up the Report of the Select Com-
mittee on Public Charities.

On the motion that it be printed,
Mr. WILKS observed that the Committee had recommended
the introduction of a Bill, during the present session, for re-
establishing the powers of the Commissioners of Public Chari-
ties, and it was exceedingly important that his Majesty's At-
torney-General should bring it in as speedily as possible.
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said that would depend
upon the instructions he had received from his Majesty's Go-
vernment.

•
Colonel PERCEVAL wished to ask the Hon. Member'for
Middlesex when he proposed to bring on his motion respecting
Orange Lodges, as he understood it was not intended to be
brought on that night.
Mr. HUME said he found that the papers on the subject
would not be ready, and he had determined not to bring it on
till Tuesday next ; and he would in the meantime, with the assist-
ance of the Speaker, do all in his power to have his intended
resolutions in-the hands of the Members on Monday.
LONDON UNIVERSITY.
Mr. TOOKE wished to ask a question of the Attorney-
General which might save a great .e..eal of time that night.
He wished to ask what was the intention of the Govern-
ment with respect .to the resolution of that House on the 26th
of March last, and his Majesty's most graciOus answer thereto
respecting the London University ?
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL,-in answer, said ho had
to state by order of the Government, he had prepared two char-
tors, which he hoped would be considered by dm House as in
strict compliance with the gracious answer of his Majesty.
One was for the University of London, but only as a college to
be called the London University College, without the power of
granting academical degrees. The other was for the pur-
pose of establishing an.academical Institution, with the power of
granting academical degrees to the students of the University
of London and such other Establishments.—(Loud cheers.)
Mr. TOOKE would postpone his motion till this day week,
but at the same time ho was bound to say that the answer was
very unsatisfactory.—( Hear, and laughter.)
IPSWICH ELECTION.
Mr. HUME, after reading one of the resolutions of the
Ipswich Election Committee, moved that Thomas Moore
Keith be taken into the custody of the Sergeant at Arms.
On a former occasion it was stated Mr. Keith was in too
delicate a state of health then to bear confinement. Ile
(Mr. H.) was glad, however, to state that now no harm
was likely .to accrue to Mr. Keith's state of health from the
process of the House being put into execution.
After a few words front Mr. W YNN,
Mr. HUME moved that the Report of the Committee with
respect to Keith be read.
Lord STORMONT had no objection to have the whole of
the Report 'read, but he did object to have garbled extracts of
that Report read in the House.
The Report was then read, and—
Mr. HUME moved that T. M. Keith be taken into custody.
Mr. SCA RLETT objected to the motion. He did not
find that any charge bad been proved against Mr. Keith upon
any credible evidence.

•
Mr. AGLIONBY saki that the House had decided that
Keith was guilty of a breach of privilege, and the only course
they had now to pursue was to decide what steps ought to be
taken in consequence.
Mr. SCARL E TT said a question of the highest importance
was before them, a question which regarded the liberty of the
subject.—( Hear, hear.) Mr. Keith was placed under very
unfavourable circumstances when before the Committee, both
from want of Counsel and from his own rather unfortunate
manner of hesitation and embarrassment in answering the
questions put to him. His only object was to induce the
House to come to the conclusion that there was no necessity
for committing him to Newgato, but that • the object
House had in view would he sufficiently answered
dismis-
sing him from the bar, after- receiving, the 7:prim-aind of the
Chair. There was no proof of an:
Keith and Pilgrim, except that connection between
ipawich. It was quite of Keith having sent him to
to leave Nor w ;_t of
that he did not advise Pilgrim
neither did he supply him with money.
Tiler'!:.was no evidence that he used any means to keep him
out of the way. Mr. Keith knew that great frauds were com-
mitted in his house, and this was his only reason for going to
Ulais to have•an interview with him. He had previously sent
in various accounts, the payment of which was refused, and
this was his reason for going to Calais. The language of Mr.
Keith's partners was, that so soon as Pilgrim returned he
should be prosecuted, and he was. A proposition was made
to compromise I lie tryittzr, -that Pilgrim might be enabled to
keen `".l`. yr tile- way, to which the answer of Mr. Keith was
ihai* he would not compromise such a matter to save the seats
of twenty Members of Parliament. It was only from Clipper-
ton he learned where Pilgrim was. He took Wood with him
to Calais, and Wood's evidence went to show that the only
conversation, which passed between Keith and Pilgrim
related

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not to the election, but to the transaction relative to which
legal proceedings were instituted.
After a few words from Lord STORMONT and Mr. WYNN'
the motion, that Keith be taken into the custcdy of the Ser.
- geant-at- Arms, was agreed to.
The Sergeant-at-Arms having communicated to the Cbair
that be was in custody,
Mr. H LIME moved that he be committed to Norge*
Mr. SCARLETT proposed as an amendment that he be
called to the bar and reprimanded.
Mr. AGLIONBY said, that the Committee had alady
reported that Keith aided in keeping Pilgrim out of. there ways
and that he had recourse to a charge of embezzlement for
that purpose. In this the House concurred by their resolu
tion. How then could they now agree to the extraordinary
proposition that he was merely to be brought to the bar and
discharged? The Committee, with the exceptif.m of two
Members, were unanimous. Pilgrim was the c2,(,,1, of Keith.
.. had recourse to
He was sent to the Ipswich election. H
the grossest bribery there. He retur. i
,et, to Nom ich, and
then it was that the charge was trurr:,,,a up against him. He
received 201.,
__ and went out of s.,titi, way to Calais. Before his
departure, Pilgrim w
absence. This note -
rote. d note to Keith desiring leave of
.vas written on the day he went away.
Keith was looki-
,. .
He well kne-
w what the object of it was, and yet he moue LO
observi" - ..g over his shoulder while he eras writinr, it.
1 observe •=
upon it to his partners. Pilgrim expressly de-
F'a"-ed that he wrote the note while Keith was looking over
tiro.

The House was then cleared for a division ; but after twenty
minutes we were re-admitted, and we then understond no divi-
sion had taken place, Mr. Scarlett having vethdrawn his
amendment. We found
Mr. LAW speaking. The Hon. and Learned Gentleman
contended to prevent Mr. Keith from appearing at the trial of
Pilgrim as a witness would be to prejudge that question.
After a brief discussion, in which Mr. Wynn, Mr. Hawes,
and Lord Stormont took part, the question was put, and, as
we understood, agreed to.
Mr. R. WA SON presented a petition from Mr. Pilgrim,
praying -that Mr. Keith might be allowed to proceed to Nor-
wich under the care of the Sergeant at Arms, and attend upon
the trial of Pilgrim at the next Norwich Assizes.
Mr. Vv YNN suggested that the petition should lie upOn
the table to give time for consideration, and that to-morrow an
order should be made upon it.
After a brief discussion, in which Lord Stormont, Mr.
Hawes, Mr. Mills, Mr. Law, and Mr. Freslifield spoke, it was
agreed that the petition should be taken into consideration to-
morrow (this day).
Colonel S IBTHORP moved for a Return of the emoluments
of certain parties connected with the Ecclesiastical Courts.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER objected to
the Return being made, on the ground that the Returns re-
lated to the 'professional and not official emoluments of the
parties in question.
The motion was negatived.
NEW SOUTH WALES—GENERAL DARLING.
Mr. HUME presented a petition from Mr. Meekness, late
Sheriff of New South Wales, complaining of the conduct of
General Darling, when Governor of that colony.
Mr. H. L. BULWER presented a petition from certain
tradesmen and others, residing in Marylebone, praying the
House to make inquiries into the charges preferred by Capt.
Robison, against General Darling.
Sir H. HARDINGE said that a petition from parties re-
siding in Marylebone, relating to occurrences in New South
Wales, in his judgment appeared upon the face to be got up
for a particular purpose. He hardly thought it fair to pre-
sent such a petition to the House.
Mr. H. L. BULWER denied that he bad anything to do
with getting up the petition. It had been put into his hands
that morning by a respectable body of persons.
Sir H. HARDINGE must again object to a petition which
came from parties who could not possibly know anything of
General Darling's conduct. -
Mr. H. L. BULWER contended that the inhabitants of
Marylebone were justified in framing such a petition.
Mr. HUME said that the objection was not fair.
Mr. M. O'CONNELL presented a petition from the mer-
chants and shinotvners connected with New South Wales,
praying for ais inquiry into the charges preferred by Captain
Robison against General Darling.
Sir H. HARDINGE objected to a petition from persons
who, he was sure, did not know the merits of the case.
After a few words from Mr. Hume, Mr. A. Chapman, Mr.
Richards, Mr. Twiss, and Mr. O'Connell,
Mr. M. O'CONNELL-would state the facts of the case as
related to him, and he would state them in the briefest way
possible. At the outset he would state the nature of his mo-
tion. It was for a " Select Committee to inquire into the
conduct of General Darling while Governor of New South
Wales, particularly with reference to the grants of the Crown
lands made by him, his treatment of the public press, the
case of Captain Robison and the New South Wales Ve-
teran Companies, and the alleged instances of cruelty to,vards
the two soldiers, Ludds and Thompson, and other persons,
and to report thereon to the House." In the first place it
would be found that the grants of the Crown lands made by
the various Governors of New South Wales were made on a
smaller scale and with less partiality than those made by Gen.
Darling:- That General had made double the quantity of
grants of Crown lands that any former Governor had made.
The Governor that preceded him granted, in twelve years,
400,000 acres of those lands. General Darling, in the same
space of time, gave away upwards of a million of acres of the
Crown lands. Besides this he had to charge Gen. Darling
with great partiality in the manner he disposed of those lands.
To a brother-in-law, who was in the full receipt of an income
of 6001. a-year, lie made a free grant of 10,000 acres of land,
though there was an order from the Government at home that
no grant should exceed 9,600 acres. To the Colonial Secre-
tary he made a grant of 1,280 acres in the first instance, and
to a cousin of his General Darling gave no less than 2,568
acres. Captain Robison was refused a grant of land,, oh the
plea that he was in the receipt of full pay in his Majesty's
service; whilst the two other persons received grants of land
though they were also on full pay. A stronger case remained
behind. Close to Sydney, about two miles to the southward,
lay a tract of land to the extent of-180 acres, particularly rich
and fertile.. It was Crown laud, and Government at one time
intended to erect upon it a lunatic asylum. 'However, General
Darling had authority to divide it among eight or nine
officers, to all of whom except one he gave about nine or ten
acres each. To one person, however, a Mr. M4Kay, he-gave
fifty-four acres, and those acres were the very best of the lot.
Several years ago each acre was valued at 501., and lately a
very large sum (the Hon. Member was understood to say)
Goa was refused for one acre. He thought something ought
to be done to prevent Governors wasting the public property
in this way. In 1828 a person of the name of Onslow ar-
rived in New South Wales. At first he wes not knoWn to
any one in the colony. He soon became acquainted with
M'Kay, and through him was introduced to the Governor.
Onslow held an office of 500/.- a year under the East India
Company, besides another in the colony, and on marrying a
daughter of *Key, lie received a grant of land in one of the
very best situations, together with ether assistance. In 1828,
a large number of convicts were landed, and they were distri-
buted with partiality. Tins before-mentioned Mr. M'Kay got
twenty-eight of them. Two other individuals (we suppose
the Hon.- Member 'meant trading or agricultural companies)
rot, one 237, Stre other 143 convicts. To the Lieutenant-
Governor' \-;ere given twenty-four, The Hon. and Learned
Memkr next Rlluded to a person named Hall, who was stated
to ',lave been formerly a hot-headed and rather violent person,
but who was now under General Bourke a very quiet citizen.
It appeared that Hall, in a newspaper, said that the Arch-
deacon of Sydney was not a man of peace. This was consi-
dered a libel, ami be was tried before a military tribunal. Hall
comihented on this in another paper, and the result was a new
trial for libel. No less than six ex officio informations
were issued against him-.his recognizances were cstreated
—and he was condemned to three rears' imprisonment, and a
fine of 1,0001. Hall then proceeded legally against the Gover-
nor and other persons, and in every instance recovered damages
and costs, which were paid by the Governor out of the colonial
fends. He vvould now conic to the case of Captain Robison,
who had been a number of years in his Majesty's service, and
who had received his first education at the Military College of
Great Marlow. He entered the service in 1805, and con-i..
mantled for six or seven years a cavalry regiment in India.
On his return to this country he was appointed to the command
of a police company (as we understood) in New South Wales;
but on arriving in the colony he folind that the command of
that company was given away to another by General Darling.
Captain Robison noon perceived several abuses, particularly
in the way convicts •- were disposed of, and represented the
matter to the Governor. A copy of the representations he
made to the Governor he sent home. By a regulation ct the
colony the Governor could not take away his comment!. But
what did the Governor de ? He did away with the district in -
which Captain Robison commanded, and recalled him to head
quarters ; but in a month after the district was reinstated and
another officer appointed to the command of it., Captain Re-
bison wished to come to England, and was promised a free
passage in a vessel, in which lie was to have the superinten-
dence of certain individuals that were to be sent home. He
did not obtain the passage promised, and was told to go to
Norfolk Island, one of the worst stations in the whole
colony, and to which no females were permitted to go.
Captain Robison married, and by this means he escaped the
degradation of being sent to Norfolk Island. He was then
ordered to go to the station of Newcastle, *trot as a Comman-
dant, for in that capacity he would haws a right to dwell in
the Government House, but to sgiwrintend certain troops.
The person before alluded to. ;fir. M'Kay, was sent to New-
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of some
;
some convicts, and to him the
but he was instructed to
allow Captiie.
afterwar3 'Robison to have a part of it. M'Kay was
s accused of peculation, and was re-called to head-
'7,arters ; but he was soon sent back to Newcastle, and ap-
pointed Postmaster there. On his return thither he accused
Captain Robison of having broken open the mail bag, on
which charge that officer was tried, and was honourably ac-
quitted. He would state one or two other cases. The one
was that of Alexander Edwards, the other of Dennis M'Cue.
Edwards was sent from the Cape of Good Hope. to New,
South Wales, on account of a libel on Lord C: Somerset:.
Some doubts arose as to his guilt, and he was allowed to re.
side at Bathurst with his wife. As soon as General Darling
arrived at Sydney, Edwards was brought there, and though
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,than
M'Cue sand ,
the notes had been in his possession six months.
• he would and swore that to the best of his recol-
lection
APCue Kris immediately proceeded against for per-
jury. He was convicted and imprisoned on board the hulks.