The Sun.
London, England, 1832-05-31 00:00:00

BOROUGH OF AMERSHAII.

Lord KENYON explained.
Earl GREY said the only time for considering such a
statement would be in Commi,tee on schedule A. The
motion was then negatived without a division.
The Marquess of CLEVELAND presented a petition
from the town of Stockton-upon-Tees, praying for power
under the Reform Bill of sending Members to Parliament.
Earl GREY presented a petition from Thurlow, and
another from Dumbarton, praying that the Reform Bill
might be passed into a law ; also a petition from Rumsey,
in the county of Northampton, praying the House to give
their sanction to the system of education introduced into
Ireland by- the Government. His Lordship next pre-
sented a petition from Ros., praying their Lordships to
take into consideration the Criminal Laws.
Earl RODEN moved for certain returns respecting
the Irish schools, which had been laid on the table of the
House of Commons. To be laid on their Lordships' table.
The Duke of BUCKINGHAM gays notice of his in-
tention on Tuesday to present a petitio❑ from the magis-
tracy and gentry of Queen's County, Ireland, calling the
attention of the House to the state of that country. As
it was of great consequence, and as the discussion upon
this petition might involve not only the consideration of
Queen's County, but the present stfts., os st.e of
Ireland momentarily becoming worse and worse, he
thought it right to give this notice, and also to move
that their Lordships be summoned for that day.
ANTI-REFORM INTRIGUES.

- - ---
The Earl of MUNSTER slid he— hop,d that their
Lordships would allow him a few moments, in order to
explain his political conduct during the late discussions on
the Reform 13i1. There was no one who ever appeared
before their Lordships, had more reason to claim their in-
dulgent consideration, and there was no one who felt
more than he did the difficulties in which he stood, and
he would not now trespass on their Lordships' considera-
tion but for the grossest misrepresentations that had been
put forth respecting him ; and he trusted that he should be
able, by a short explanation, to convince their Lordships
of the injustice of those misrepresentations. He must pre-
mise that his opinions had always been what are called
liberal, and all who knew him knew that he had long
looked forward to a moderate Reform as a just and neces-
sary measure; and it was known to many, that in October,
1830, he had advocated a moderate Reform, which, if
then attended to, would have relieved the country from the
difficulties in which it now stood ; but he confessed that
the extent of this measure had alarmed him. In
that E-loLse, however, and holding these opinions, he
felt it impossible hut that he must support the measure,
and for one simple reason, and that was, that if he did not

support it, he might produce d false impression as
to the opinions of one to whom he owed all, and in doing

so, that he might assist in producing those results which
they hid all lately seen with so much pain. lie trusted
that he had now satisfied their Lordships on that part of
his conduct ; but being on his legs, perhaps their Lord-
ships would allow him to allude to the aspersions which
had been cast upon him out of doors. At first he bad

thought eaem not worthy of his notice, considering, like
the eastern author, that they were calumnies which would
he refuted by his past character, or by future events ; but
t' ey had been so generally disseminated, that he felt he
could not avoid remarking upon them. It had been said
that he had unhandsomely and ungenerously intrigued to
sap the Government of the Noble Earl opposite. It was
absolutely impossible that he should have done so, because
for six months before circumstances had put it out of his
power to say one word upon the subject. He apo'ogized
for having detained their Lordships with this explanation,
but he felt it to be a duty he owed to himself to state these
few words, that he might place himself well with their
Lordships and with the coun!ry.

REFORM BILL.
Earl GREY moved the Order of the Day for going
into the Committee on the Reform Bill. The House went
into Committee accordingly.
The Coaanittee proceeded with the disfranchising part
of the Bill, and the boroughs in schedule A were read,
and the question put as to each, whether they should be
disfranchised; and it was agreed that Aldborough, in Suf-
folk; Aldborough, in Yorkshire; Great Bedwin, in
Wilts; Beeralston, in Devonshire; Bishop's Castle, Sa-
lop ; Blechingley, Surrey; Boroughbridge, Yorkshire ;
Bossiny, Cornwall ; Bramber, Su•sex ; Oakhampton,
Devonshire ; Saltash, Cornwall ; Dunwich, Surrey ; Gat-
ton, Surrey; Newport, Cornwall, should stand in the dis-
franchisement clause.

On the question being put as to Camelford, in Cornwall,
The Marquess of CLEVELAND observed, that as be
was so intimately connected with Camelford, he would, in
justice to the freemen of Camelford, take the opportunity
of saying a few words. Alter the decided opinion which
he had given in favour of the Bill and all its clauses, he,
of course, did not mean to object to the proposition that
Camelford should stand in schedule A. He approved of
the Bill, and wished that it should piss as it came from
the other House ; and lie, in an evecial manner, approved
of schedule A. But be felt it to be but bare justice to the
freemen• of Camelford to declare that they had acted in a
most honourable manner. At the last general election,
when two friends of his went down to that borough, they
went there i❑ the Reform interest, and were received with
the utmost joy. He knew that Camelford was one of
those places which bad been called rotten boroughs, but
the freemen were, notwithstanding, decided supporters of
Reform, although it was injurious to their Own individual
interests. They welcomed his friends with the utmost
cordiality, and said that they hoped it would be the last
time that they would have to return representatives to Par-
liament, although they were aware that the passing of the
Bill would deprive them of their peculiar advantages.
They were glad to sacrifice their own privileges for the
general advantage of the country. This was the senti-
ment expressed by one and all of them, and he thought it
but just to state this much, as it redounded very highly to
their credit.

Lord .ELLENLOROUGH—IIe knew that Camelfoid

Lord KENYON presented a petition from the borough
of Amersham, complaining that the boundary of the bo-
rough taken in the Reform Bill had excluded the
manor-house and another building or two, which would
have saved it from disfranchisement. Several boroughs
which were to be saved were not of so great importance
as Amersham.
'The petition having been read,
Lord KENYON moved that the petitioners be allowed
to prove their case at the bar of the House.
Earl GREY did not think that a case had been made
out to justify their Lordships acceding to the prayer of
the petition.
Lord KENYON said the case only rested upon the
statements of those from whom he had received the peti-
tion ; but if their case were established—and it could only
be established by a hearing of Counsel at the bar—
Amersham would be taken out of schedule A and placid
in schedule B.
The Earl of SHAFTESBURY was putting the ques-
tion, when
Lord ELLENBOROUGII said, as an arbitrary rule had
been laid down by his Majesty's Ministers, even if the
allegations of the petitions were established, no advantage
would arise to them.
Lord KING said that the same calculations had
been mare, and the same statements brought forward
and urged in another place by a celebrated arithmetician
relative to Amersham, hut as this course had been aban-
doned by him, they had very good reason to infer that
Ueut. Drummond's calculations proceeded upon the right
principle.
The Duke of BUCKINGHAM said, the question was '
not whether the calculations of Lieut. Drummond were
more or less correct, but the fact was, in relation to Amer-
sham, that if the manor which was situate in the parish
were included in the calculation, it would be entitled to
representation.
Lord DURHAM could not see any end to a discussion
of this nature upon a petition ; it could serve but only to
delay.