The Sun.
London, England, 1835-11-07 00:00:00

members whom it thus pronounces to be false. Why,
this is as notable a discovery as that if the State thinks
fit to adppt the principle of a constitutional mcnarchy,
it creates distrust and discontent among those of its
subjects who happen to be of the Republican " per-
suasion." There must be everywhere some one form
of civil government, and we who are friends to a church
establishment affirm that there must be some one esta-
blished church. The question is, for Englishmen, what
church ought.to be preferred ? The general impression
upon that point is, that the creed of the majority ought to
be that o't. the Monarch : 'take the United Kingdom as a
whole, the Church of England is the church of the.
majority. But if it were not, what other could be
chosen ? Of Protestant Dissenters the most nume-
rous are the Independents, who would not be an esta-,
blished church if it were proposed to them to-morrow.
The Baptists arc equally averse to it. The Presbyte-
rians make not more than an eighth of the inhabitants
of the United Kingdom. Then come to be considered
the Roman Catholics. Now, even did the Papists
constitute half the population of England, as they do
the large numerical majority of the Irish, there are
reasons, we trust by this time apparent—nay, familiar
to the Protestants of both islands—why, conceding
every other point, Popery, under no circumsta,-.ces,
ought to be made the established religio-
Sta'e, unless the people had already r.,501-vei toofmaakfereae
burnt-offering of their liberties, it is "tulle to
assert,
as has been said of us, ttat we tee nothing " objection-
able" in the Romish. 'faith "ot.,'t D. religion." What we did
state was perfe;,'ity clew Viz., that there was nothing in
Popery, as to matters of mere faith, which would
justify the supreme pow-er of the State in attempting to
suppress or interfe:e with it; but that the system of
universal tyran:,,-
y which was . enforced by the Church
Governme
reat of the Papists made that system one of
g
d..inger and mischief to the civil 'rights and en-
ments of the whole nation. There 'are some who do
not choose to see this plain distinction between matters
of faith and discipline. We shall offer but a single
instance. Transubstantiation is an article of religious
belief with every Roman Catholic, whereas the celibacy
of the Clergy is a mere regulation of discipline, form-
ing no part of the Romish creed, ingrafted on the tem-
poral church, we think, about the Bth century, but con-
stituting of itself, in the judgment of Protestants, one
of the most sinister and evil characteristics of the whole
edifice of Popery, because it withdraws the priest from
all domestic and social ties, and leaves him no earthly
office or existence but as.a member of a separate, am-
bitious, and selfish corporation, preying upon the rest
of mankind. ,It is not, therefore, because of wha;
a lay Papist or a Popish ecclesiastic may believe a
abstract propositions of doctrine, that we would im.
pose upon them any political restraints, or indulge
preferences to their exclusion ; it is because their priests
lay claim to, and exercise over the whole Popish body,
powers of dictation—powers of coercion—powers of
exaction—powers of absolution--and above
411, of
castigation, involving a general sway o*;,er the minds
and actions of other men hostile t 9 every authority but
their own, and subversive of lr..w.and of eivil government.
With the man who bas read those official records of
the conduct of the Irish priesthood, which we have now
many days in, succession laid before the public, and
who har.lig read and reflected on them can sympathize
with, the cause of those incendiaries, or ask, with an air
of wonder, why should they be thwarted in their exer-
tions against the ascendancy of the Protestant church,
and the safety of the United Kingdom ?—with such
a man we arc little disposed to argue. The folly of ad,
ducing the Papists in America as a reason for investing
them with substantial power here is utterly contemptible.
In America they dare not stir, or speak a word beyond
their breath, being not above one-tenth of the popu-
lation. In France, ag's..*:in, the priesthood arc kept
down, as they are in Austria, and other military States,
by the sword. But look at them in Belgium, where
their enormous power and domineering spirit are' re-
go):",ied as an incubus upon the liberal policy and free
institutions of the country. Look at what they have
been for ages in Spain and Portugal, where the first
nobles of the land were within these fifteen ) ears corn-
pelled by fear to enroll themselves among the menials
of the Inquisition. Finally, see them as they are at
this moment, riding roughshod over the whole political
and moral face of Ireland : and then let any man ask
with a grave countenance whether such messengers of
ill can be discreetly trusted or patiently endured among
the powers of a free and enlightened realm ?—whether,
in short, those measures from which the Popish priest-
hood loudly anticipates the fulfilment of all its most
aspiring hopes of supreme and unresisted sovereignty
are such as honest, wise, and provident Englishmen
ought to pass through Parliament.—Times.

Expectation is every where on the tiptoe as to what
will be the contents of Lord John Russell's speech to
his Bristol Friends, on Tuesday next. Allowing to
his Lord Ship the great advantage of a willing audience,
yet there is danger even-in that ; for unless he is pre-
pared, which we suspect he is riot, " to go the whole
hog, he is likely to be placed in the awkward di-
lemma of displeasing, friends without propitiating, op-
ponents. The great art of after dinner oratory is to
say a great deal about nothing ; or, in other words, fo
beat about the bush without ever coming to the point.
Whether this is what the-American Indians mean by
a palaver, we cannot tell ; but of this we are convinced,
that that word and its prototype " humbug" form the
general standard of that time of day eloquence to
which we allude. Lord John Russell will no doubt,
avail himself of these two signal posts as far as
they will carry him ; but yet he must, after all, ar-
rive at the wide open common where no such guides
are to be found, and, when there, must pick out
his road, as welt as his ingenuity and the supposed
bearings of the country will admit of. On the oc-
casion to which we allude Lord John is to be feasted
and toasted as the parent of Reform—or rather of the
Reform Act—for to Lord Grey, the cast-off and ill-
used Member of the Whig Government, must the true
parentage of Reform be ever justly assigned. But even
here the Noble Lord, we should think, will find sonic
difficulty in bearing his unqualified testimony to the
working of his own measure ; nor will that difficulty
he at all lessened by the unfortunate fact, that some of
the most striking discrepancies exist in his own family,
and indeed in his own person. Few parents are so
inhuman as to mutilate their own children, or wil-
lingly to permit their grandfathers to do so.' Yet so it
is here. Lord John's own Bloomsbury vote iS a tad
disfigurement of his own offspring, while eßedford
and Hertford faggots
.are so many Wholesale mutila-
tions brought about by and under eimmeditttt
tion of the-grandfather of ".'ne Tleforrft Act, Lordjohti
Russell's father r
a willing
—.vett unit (tate; as We nakt said,
....attenee, awl thetetuit),as 11).r as they are con-
-this di{ ditty might be got over. But his
LordWip, who a nn author himself, will be to well
aware that he will have to speak to readers as well as
hearers, and that it does not at all follow that the
tipsy cheers of the latter will Pall hi With the sober
judgment of the..former. And if his own family do-
ings, under the Reform Act, were not altogether re-
crortellable with that blindness of parental affection
which he will be inclined to bestow upon his offspring,
we are still more curious to learn what the kind of
notice will be which-the licble Lord will take of the
late open sale of the representation of the county of
Carlow. There's the rub. " Down with the Lords !"
says Mr. O'Connell, " I am the missionary of the
Government." " Here's a seat for the county of Car-
low for two thousand pounds," says the same all-
powerful authority. " Done," says Mr. Raphael,
and, quick, presto, he is seated. To be sure, he is
almost as soon unseated, but that is nothing to the ar-
gument. Now all this, and much more, stares Lord
John Russell in the face previous to the Bristol meet-
ing. ,When he has digested it, " then to the dinner
with what appetite he may. '—illorning Herald.
Nothing can more clearly demonstrate the miserable
want of argument which prevails among the Whig
journalists than their constant and imbecile repetition
of the absurd charge against the Conservatives, of
being the real cause of O'Connell's consequence, by
their incessant attecks upon him. To assert that we,
who hold up this man's conduct to universal execra-
tion ; who denounce him as the author of all the
miseries of his Priest-ridden country ; who, over and
over again, have exposed his designs for the subversion
of our Protestant Establishment ; and who have, we
trust successfully, endeavovred to awaken our country-
mcq to a just understanding of 'his scheme§ for the

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