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hr took place in November, and which were tn renruary
kaeseg.4ll under the consideration of the House, had not pro
the " "clay, if they had not impeded the course 9f ?eform,
asn I
the
that that Address would Lave been false, and
ouit',,`,te the House ought not to 112,re passed it. But if, on the
.r hand, the occurrenc-.s of November have had the effect
IraPeding the ce-
Positio • -arse of safe and useful re.form, thm the
which k wk.ch the House is now placed is not a position
trivet tue Inajority who voted for that address is at liberty to
Itfit I.te ns• It is to those causes that we have a right to
atotunt position.—( Cheers.) The Right Hon. Baronet
14d
tnosys that the interval between the month of November
of Liia,e Meeting of Parliament in the month of February, is,
Pie Intervals, that which enables the Government to meet
tkll"anlent with the best effect. Ido not say that this interval
‘. profitably
"ere th spent by the Right Hon. Gentleman, for we
theth en in that anomalous state in which it was doubtful
erg ,this country had a responsible Government or not.
towel the period to which the Right Hon. Baronet referred,
ti,e3ver, he at least had the advantage of preparing his mea-
look and up to the time when the change of Government
iiit.v`ace, he was the responsible person. Sir, the Right
L., Baronet has profited by the concession made by my Not
lend who sits near me—a concession applicable t.o a par-
It. JO state of things which then existed, but one which the
Baronet very ingeniously seemed to consider an
Cr *lon on his part that the late Government—that Lord
evs •
uovernment—did nothing but luring forward Incom-
and ill-di ested measures., Why, Sir, any one who
end ill g
Crepe
e lilght Hon. Baronet, without a previous knowledge
%ev:,',,,aet, would have been induced to imagine that Lord
Cli,'',4•'‘iovernment had never settled the question of the Bank
tik,;tter---that Lord Grey's Government had never settled the
Isetni°ll (If the East India Charter—that Lord Grey's Govern-
ihberd not, through the agency of my Noble Friend who
eatow the gangway (Lord Stanley) settled the East India
The 1.1"--110 inconsiderable one in itself.—(Loud cheers. )
Ire
„.°ll°llrable Baronet himself will not deny—though there
!Itoce-' ens not very far' from him who will the set-
teak of the Poor Law question was no inconsiderable
ng the great and burdensome measures which that Ad-
lidelsotflltion undertook ; and Hon. Gentlemen who sit on this
"Ic House will at leas t think that the settlement of the
Ithe'''a, of Parliamentary Reform was not so unimportant as
lelt,adogether excluded from notice or obeervation.—(Re-
-114,4 cheering.) Well, Sir, in what position do we now find
hi? yes, with respect to the proceedings of the present Ses-
•bthe clin the month of May—towards the close of that month
•411.4 -overnment are called upon to propose measures to
4keitlent• Is it wise, or is it just, that they should under-
to n'tifa.i would it be wise or just for the House to wish them
*lan, ettalte, more than they can reasonably hope to fulfil
l'linly-,,tthe Session ?—( Hear, hear.) If we did so, we Fer-
q, ""Mdd disappoint the just and reasonable expectations
atoll etTuttry ; if we did so, then indeed. the taunts of the
hhiehßaronet would become applicable to the course
Nita "gbtly or wrongly, he imputes to us, of bringing for-
' greater number of measures than could be brought to
Isitt"tY within the Session. If this be blameable in a Govern-
-1,1 ph„,,dees he not know that if in the month of May we were
amge ourselves to the variety of questions on which he
,ed, he would then have us in his power, and that
uRa he not complete any one of those measures ; and
se a not now know that by adopting the course we
Ken of selecting two great measures, and proposing
stf: the consideration of Parliament, we have pursued
5t,00,1-4, the .ut t, and the most satisfactory course ?-
14,,,c cheeringj ) esThe Right Hon. Baronet himself can
troda)% I think, *deny this proposition, because those who in
Pit the
sub'ect on his behalf, distinctly stated the prin.
settle that „
17„„ one question could be more pressing than the
• of the question of the Irish Church —(Tremen-
Llll4enr eLring• )--It was the first question which the Govern-
"qt;',,d;t:lc Right Hon. Baronet introduced ; it is the ques-
-1 "Len we are now pledged to bring•forvvard ; and lam
Ntewhat surprised that in the great and new-born zeal which
4el,llanifests itself in favour of the Dissenters, we should be
• (11„Pf.en by the Right Hon. Baronet and his friends,. in
''Y -elle°, to postpone all other claims to theirs. Sir,
•(grere not the Dissenters' grievances settled long since?
and tit cheering.) Why did not the Right Hon. Baronet,
klitit "se concerned with him in the Government of this
01,,1iY, settle them once and for ever ?—(Renewed Cheers.)
i:eng were they responsible? If they object to us that
~eit ::: Postponed for the present Session the bringing
talsei;"erent matters to issue, how will they answer to the
,that, ',lra for their having postponed during so many
e►r""le settlement of this question, the adjustment of
loud claims, and the removal of their grievances ?
kik' cheers.) Sir, do the Right Honourable Ba-
lheis and those who act with him, think that by tal-s'ing
'tgl,Zarse they will persuade the Dissew.,efs of
;11ceee-': that we have not been earn•-.4i, in our
he )Siw to carry into effect, and work o,'„,t to the utmost,
the
04 3,.leciPles of that relief which we—no;, for the first time in
7;1_1835, but during the whole period of the organiza-
bld°v; le Whig party—have felt 'chat the Dissenters of Eng-
t•ttai were entitled to ? Do tl• ey think that the Dissenters of
ve and will be misled or d.,ciaz-led by this new-born zeal? If
„,esiculated to prod,iee any impression on their minds for
11,,e4-,°lnent, I only • 'sh the Dissenters to look back to those
heiri_c:a
eonf.which hear so much—l mean the records of our
'‘ aa,11:1 -`arY decisions. I say let them do this, and then
the titre ',ttis zeal in their behalf was slumbering at
has ,-;", e that the Repeal of the Test and Corporation Acts
Ire il Loud cheers.) That point upon which we
lothew all agreed--that point upon which there is now
te Perfect unanimity of opinion—was then opposed by
th s /.erY individuals who now come forward and tell us,
ei
theirzealtheir rt.:art s twhheenDwisesenters, that we are paltering
claims for one postpone the consideration of
moment longer.—(Renewed cheering.)
there. should be no postponement of the subject, if
o bbelieved that during the interval that remains of the
ent session we could do more than accomplish the
brat objects that are before us. It is not because
tlik brink from the question—it is not because we are in-
tjri7nt to the rights of the Dissenters, that we postpone the
iii2"eration of their claims—it is because we are resolved to
1471;=t• with all due respect for the Right Hon. Baronet, our
hit round of battle.---( Cheers.) We will not accord to
ticte
111 be
advantage of driving us from our lines, if we feel it
P furtherance of our principle, and more conducive to
(Islet ire interest, that we should fight on our own ground.—
tts4ttwed cheers.) Sir, we take our stand upon these two
de''ell easures. The Right Hon. Baronet knows, I believe,
"„, I do, that we could not accomplish more. Perhaps
l 'a we might substitute the measure upon which he
much stress for one of the measures we have an-
• -"--(s Cheers)—Corporation Reform, Sir—( Protracted
)---the question of Corporation Reform—there is our
ta• I°,l contest with the Right Hon. Baronet—there shall be
144%1 of battle —and there we will meet him upon an
thbetlanich will be intelligible to the people.—(Tremendous
Pa, 14) boes not that uestion press, or does the Right
llosa,....""'M'onet think it might be advantageously postponed? It
j?(ln`-‘ass, Sir, upon certain parties in this country—it presses
L*,f,,,r`4l them' at the present moment in the shape of inflic-
IN Zit which, I trust, our measure will relieve them ; the
esNlyeresses hard upon others, who would gladly—most
Pastpone the discussion, and who, for the purpose
thlst,
_.antageously acquiring the means of postpone-
ea.e the Dissenters to the settlement of their claims,
11,'"re Municipal Reforms. The Right Hon. Baronet
of the Die around him are so perfectly friendly to the claims
littleopi -'" isaenters, that really whether it comes a little sooner
th;, later, the Dissenters need not be alarmed, because
Ilth`t: subject all parties are quite agreed.-. 4 Cheers
Nainu.
SI t 6) I hear, however, that on the question of our
tote orporations we cannot look for quite so much coinci
,11,crabtjf °Pinion.—( Cheers. ) I believe (said the Right Ho-
th;e, Gentleman) that in anticipation of the measure
I'Llt/M-yilleslptd Reform, certain Corporations in the land are
Cm taking' measures to distribute and divide among
t7poer'%es that which constitutes the common good of the
rates
in question, and to divide their lands, in order to
tOI,•
etitr "'"'s remedial measure, when it does come into opera-
tts, r-r4n havin an practical effect.—( Cheers. ) say,
t_t*,itt,co the
f Dissgen'erys—and I believe they mill take the ad-
st'y -•wrentlemen on this side of the House quite as soon as
icit•er.r„.•ll accept that of gentlemen connected with the late
sa ii:lent--that it becomes more important for them, that
tits, u"e more important for the maintenance of their into-
gist.•gent the question of Municipal Reform should be, in
liev,,,instanceand without delay, settled.—( Cheers.) I
11-gil,tn_i,B point upon which the feelings of the people
pto u are most deeply set ; and that if you were to poll
LiarefPle of this country man by man, they would say that
f
~,stel'ln of the Municipal Corporations was second only—if
atitt, It be second to any thing—to the other great measure
I,iitM which has been introduced and passed into a law.—
Zit wld cheers,) Well, then, Sir, it is upon these grounds ;
b15ah.,.•411 a view to thepractical execution of two important
t•autit
i;res, rather than to an ineffectual attempt at the settle-
searkanY other it is with that view that the two measures.
Ott, e' we wish to direct the special attention of . Podia-
,lNto, ere the settlement of the Irish Church, including the
°f the appropriation of its revenues, and the settlement
hit cith, Nlunici al Corporations.—(Loud cheers.) Sir, the
-6119 n. BaronetP may, and very possibly will, taunt us
4.7 pt ih'lng taken this resolution—a course which may be
t•re:l -Y others, though not with his ability or his power. We
iSoitit: the people of England ; we tell them that in May we
ll' ale to accomplish more than those two great mea-
Latitti "e ask •ou do ou wish to see the Irish Church
-°ll settled ?)We' askyyou, do you wish to see the munici-
-1 ylnitutions of the country modified. If you do, we think
44!ee )'
s t of 'Parliament, we may be enabled to
e uppor_
g„'sn (.1 these two measures? if we try to effect more in
pso t' %quell is before us, we fear we shall fail not only in
terLl'oet„,l'o, but
bathei the proper subjects to which our attention. is
not
' tnemseli but by gentlemen who know full well that
Ihevcrarn„ es' in April, and commencing
poser Pro -a., restored to office
ceedings at the end of May, is not to atzt
ia11(1 hit does not hypen to be in the same situateon as
1, • ita/c been in, if no change had taken place in Novem-
Zto hill„aY be a fair Parliamentary taunt, but it is no moral
tva.i4toe- that the Right Hon. Baronet has thrown out, if one
of
**No arm the proposition that we stand in the middle
c *session In the same position as if no charge had taken place.
etilb-ati`rii.talso our position- as we have already stated ; we
t's'red forward the two great measures to. which I have
oZiedn' It will be for the country to decide whether we
%IR i":le wisely in directing their attention to those great
*...ely.4°lll(nt objects, or. whether we should have acted more
tai:N 'nore
n benefictallye
In adoptingto the urse recom-
'l those who ar opposed us.— co
( Protracted
,riwyg•.)
Pp.III44I;iIILICS considered th© two measures which Govern-
-44t-Issinb,' announced their intention of bringing forward, most
-Antlo,, iMPortant the one would give peace to Ireland
-"nas"11- 'lna a me—asure of Reform, without which the
Bill itself would be paralyzed.—( Hear, hear, hear.)
hame wished that the Dissenters' claims bad not