The Sun.
London, England, 1859-10-17 00:00:00

800 0 0
280 0 0

825 0 0
500 0 0

600 0 0

150 0 0

575 0 0

350 0 0

180 0 0
94 0 0
100 0 0

1 Lamplighter and coal porter
1 Housekeeper
Extra allowance to persons on the esta-
lishment, viz.:—
Resident clerks at ZiO each (two In
1858 and four in 1859) .
One clerk in chief clerk's department..
Tradesmen's bills
Housekeeper's ditto
Doorkeeper's ditto ..
Miscellaneous services (including defi •
ciency of vote for 1857)
Messsengers' bills
and expenses of
extra couriers.. £2.5,000
£3 00 I
Telegraph expenses 5,000 ())° 40,000 0 0
Deficiency on vote for 1858-9 16,000

100 0 0
100 0 0
325 0 0
363 0 0
100 0 0

£76,900 0 0
One other, if only in justice to political parties,
and that shall be the Board of Trade, or

MR. MILNER'S GIBSON'S PATRONAGE.
Officers. Offices. Salaries.
1 Tho president
1 The vice-president
2 Joint secretaries
1 Assistant secretary, marine department 1,000 0 0
1 Do. railway department, £7OO to £l,OOO 875 0 0
1 Registrar and librarian, £6OO to £BOO 755 0 0
1 Accountant
8 First class clerks, £450 to £6OO
7 Senior clerks, £3OO to £450
7 Second class clerks, £3OO to £450
13 Third class clerks, £lOO to £3OO
12 Supplementary clerks, seniors, £l5O to
1300
21 Do. juniors, £lOO to £l5O 2,250 0 0
1 Chief of statistical department BOO 0 0
2 Professional members, marine depart-
ment, £690 to £BOO
1 Surveyor-general, marino department,
£456 to £600
1 Nautical assessor
1 Inspector of railways
2 Do., £5OO to £BOO
1 Legal assistant, £6OO to £BOO 662 10 0
1 Comptroller of corn returns
1 Deputy-comptroller of corn returns 4OO 0 0
Private secretary to the president
Do. to the vice-president
Do. to the secretaries 2OO 0 0
1 Office keeper
12 Messengers, including portor
1 Housekeeper

£35,322 10 0
OFFICE OF THE REGISTRAR OF MERCHANT SEAMEN.
:Placed under Board of Trade, per Act 17 and 18 Vict.,

c. 10i.)

1 Registrar-General
1 Assistant registrar, £5OO to £7OO 6BO 0 0
1 Chief clerk, £4OO to £.550
4 First class clerks, £350 to £500
15 Second ditto, £2OO to £35)
30 Third ditto, £lOO to £l5O 3,947 15 0
1 Office keeper
4 Messengers, £7O to £9O 317 10 0
1 Housekeeper

£11,692 15 0

CONTINGENT EXPENSES.
Board of Trad©
Office of the registrar of merchant men 2,000 0 0

£7,000 0 0
Your readers have only to multiply the above
three departments by ten and add one, and they
will have before them the whole of the thirty-four
public offices from the house of Lords to the office
of the Lunacy Commissioners downwards, and the
whole of the expenditure of nearly one million ster-
ling.

Well, sir, unfortunately, the public do not require
to be told how much of this expenditure is, to speak
with moderation, a gross imposition. With regard
to the chiefs of departments, Mr. Horsman, a few
months ago, enlightened the House of Commons
and enraged all existing officials by telling the tale
of his life at the Irish-office. The history was too
piquant to be forgotten by this time. Mr. Horsman
resigned his office and salary because he did not

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care to be a merely paid dummy. The experience
of others must be similar to Mr. Horsman's. There
is, for instance, the secretary of one of the public
departments, who, as an administrative reformer,
ono cannot help expecting, will very soon resign
\his position and salary. of £1,500 per annum. There
cannot, by any possibility, be office work for him.
He is an underwriter, a railway director, a broker,
a salaried managing director of a public company, a
• salaried agent for a foreign bank, and now secretary
of a public department, all rolled in one. Is it not
time that this last sinecure should be abolished and
the salary saved ?
I happen to know of a principal clerk at another
,i-,n--4,pn.t. who very deliberately walks to his
a,.....__
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office at twelve, au.. ,
two, and draws a salary of £BOO. One_ would think
that this, too, could be revised.

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easy guess how much office work is done in this
case, and whether this gentleman could not be en-
tirely
.dispensed with.
Of junior clerks, whose "name is legion," no spe-
cific account is needed. One has often heard them
describe their principal employments to be luncheon,
dinner, and the newspaper. They do work unques-
tionably, but in an accountant's office the work
woulde clone,
aps doubly as well, in half the
b
tiino, and with half the expend,;,
Two questions now arise. We have here, hi ter- ,
twin civil departments of the State, an expenditure
for salaries of nearly three and a half millions per
annum, an expenditure which is certainly enor-
mous, and which, on investigation, appears to be
grossly wasteful and dishonest. Now, is there not
No, not unless the indepen-
dentof the House of Commens will do it.
alvaan7r
ifcinerlt:l3l:ein this ?
A. r,Mtical suggestion, which I
think it would be possible to eariy out, and which
would certainly have some influence. Before the
next estimate~ are brought forward let the secreta-
ries, under secretaries, and some of the clerks of
every government office be examined on oath, be.'
fore commissioners, concerning their official hours,
work, and pay ; and let, their books, one and all, be
submitted to professional accopiatants for a rigid
examination and report. This would be an extreme
measure, but we have got to a pass in which ex-
treme measures are required. Our expenditure now
regularly exceeds one income, and there is a well-
founded belief, such as this cursory examination of
the salaries and duties of public officers supports,
that a great part of this is wasted, or worse than
wasted. If Mr. Gladstone, therefore, does not take
the matter in hand—and one can scarcely expect
any Minister to do it—it should be the duty of the
independent members of the Ifouse of Commons--a
duty which need not be self-assumed, for the public,
on knowing the facts, will most readily request
them to act. _ _ .

► Another practical suggestion is, that in future,
instead of increasing the number of government
servants, the hours of office should be increased.
Working from 9 to 4, or from 9 to 5, will hurt no
man who is at all capable of work.
Perhaps it is useless now to make any inquiry
into the nearer or more remote causes of our finan-
cial extravagance. But one cause is too patent to
be overlooked. Most of the supernumerary and or-
namental offices owe their origin to the venality of
the constituencies and their representatives, the
agents of corruption being the whippers-in. This
will not change until human nature is changed ;
but a few gross cases of abuse brought occasionally
to the light of day serve to stop the very rapid
growth of this fungus. So unceasing are the de-
mands of members, and so seldom are any appoint-
ments made without reference to -2arty consideration
—that is, without asking what the party in power
will gain by it—that Ministers, although they are
autocrats in their several departments, have seldom
any liberty of choice. One wonder whether, in the
midst of these cobwebs and spiders, Mr. Milner
Gibson or Mr. Charles Villiers has yet dared to
make an independent appointment. —I am, &c.,
FINANCE.

UNIFORM DECIMAL SYSTEM OF M.E.A
SURES, WEIGIITS, AND COINS.

The second sitting of the International Associa-
tion for obtaining a uniform decimal system of
measures, weights, and coins, was held in the
Mechanics'-hall, Bradford, on Tuesday morning,
when there were present M. Michel Chevalier, pre-
sident, and the delegates from Russia and other
Continental nations.

Mr. YATES read a report of what had been done
in pursuance of a resolution, adopted at the first
establishment of the association, that the branches
formed in different countries should endeavour to
obtain accounts of all weights and measures used
in their respective countries, so that from them a
complete account might be compiled of all weights
and measures throughout the world. One of the
first efforts of the British branch was to collect
this information in regard to the British Isles. The
council published the results in the form of tables,
and it was probable that no account of the local
weights and measures used throughout the British
Isles had appeared which was more correct, com-
plete, and intelligible. In the meantime a work
had been finished which answered the wishes of the
association in regard to the whole world. Already
a French work of this kind had been published at
Brussels. But in 1858, Mr. Frederick Noback, of
Chemnitz, in Saxony, brought to a termination the
great work at which his father had laboured during
a long life, and -his " Munz—Maass—Gewichts-
buch," published at Leipsic, contained the fullezt
information on these matters, and probably left
nothing to be desired, except its translation into
various languages. This remained to be done.
M. CHEVALIER, as chairman of the meeting, then
delivered his opening address. He spoke in French,
of which the f)llowing is a translation. After some
introductory remarks on the manifest tendency
among nations to unite, in spite of differences of
religion and government, and to adopt similar
customs, so far as it was permitted by -diver-
sity of climate and of origin, he proceeded as
follows :—The uniformity of weights, mea-
sures,will be one step more in the direc-
tionpproximation of nations. And here, in
to make the illusion complete, ono does
faeAssociation,toa ftthe and coins, the object of our International
least
a
not see what objections we can have to refute. As-
suredly no one would maintain that all should be
uniform in the world. Nature shows that hero be-
low variety is as extensive a law as uniformity. But
both variety and uniformity have their separate
and distinct domains. If uniformity is anywhere
in its
weights, measures, and
coins.
y in
terest which can pretend to-
p Thereace, it
no s u rienl
be injured by it, unless itbe that of a blind routine,
which merits no sympathy—inspires none. The
enterprise, gentlemen, on which you have resolved
to concentrate your efforts and your influence is
then one of those rare cases where one can affirm
that all is beneficial, and that the inconveniences
are microscopic or absolutely none. You are not
merely united individually in the opinion that it is
convenient that all nations should have one system
of weights, measures, and coins, differing in no re-
spect except perhaps to preserve provisionally,
either entirely or in part, the names used in each
country. Yet more : you are all persuaded that the
uniform system should fulfil a certain number of
conditions, namely :—That for each kind of mea-
sure, the subdivisions and the multiples should be
decimal in themselves, and in accordance with the
unit. That the different kinds of measures, such as
those of length, of superficies, of volume, of weight,
and of value, should have a common element by
which they approach each other, and from which
they all derive a decimal connection. That, in order
to remove all national distinctions, and to give more
durability to the, system, this common element,
which serves as a basis for the edifice, should be
founded, not in the traditions of this or that civilised
nation, but on the most evident natural facts, such as
the dimensions of the planet we inhabit. On these
conditions the system would be, as one may say,
founded on a rock; and thus, as has been observed of
the metrical system, it would bo a chain, of which
it suffices to seize the first link in order to raise the
whole. Now that the relations of international
commerce are become so active and so extensive, it
is superfluous to point out the conveniences offered
by the adoption of such an uniform system. It would
be a guarantee against losses, errors, and even
frauds, which constantly occur. Neither is it neces-
sary to remark that in each individual state a sys-
tem of weights, measures, and coins, constituted as
I have described, would be a benefit to all classes
of society without exception—for the workman,
who has to make calculations, or to give an account
of what he uses—for the manufacturer, for the
engineer, for the professional accountant, the pri-
vate man of even the most moderate means, who,
nevertheless, has his small accounts to keep, it
would be a constant economy of time. It would be
a satisfaction to every one to comprehend those
relative proportions between classes of objects, which
are now passed over from the complexity with which
they are surrounded, like a thick cloud. In the pre-
sent state of the subject there can be no doubt among
the members of our association, and I believe, I may
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and coins ? whether, for ex-
ample, it be the metre, or some other unit drawn
from natural o
ects, Besides this, I only perceived.
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subordinate amf necessary questions to be mule-id,
such as what arrangements will be necessary
fi
each country to accomplish the change. l/ou will
appreciate the private reasons N'4 hich oblige me Ito
abstain from recommending you to choose the metre
for the basis of the system, by pro • nouncula Dal

eul'ogitam on the metrical system, which is a wise
idea. It may, however, be allowed me to remind
you ghat this system was conceived with a View to
uni,rersal adoption, and that the method of proceed-
ing designed to establish it, as far as the times
allowed, followed a mode calculated to determine
this adoption. All the countries with which
France was then at peace—and, unfortunately,
it was only a small number—were invited to con-
cur in the undertaking, and they answered to the
appeal. You are not ignorant that since then a con-
siderable number of countries in both hemispheres,
among which may be welcomed the monarchy of
Spain, . also many highly civilised states, have
adopted the metrical system. A powArPto -
deration, considernm.

conte-

n—
. of popula-
tion and the learning which distinguishes them—
the German Confederation—have borrowed from it
the unit of weight and the basis for their coinage.
The English branch of our International Associa-
tion, after mature deliberation, has determined to
recommend the metrical system for adoption in its
principal elements—the metre, the litre, and the
gramme. The only observation which I think I
ought to make on the subject of the metric:di sys-
tem is, that in France the people had little difficulty
in becoming accustomed to it. The substitution of
the new for the old order of things was easily ef-
fected. The obstacles arose more from retrogres-
sive administrators than from those whom 0.1;
lovers of routine affected to pity. It i. itn impor-
tant fact to adduce with what is before us, and to
encourage all those who propose the same object.
You have to deter-mite in this meeting in what
manner, and under what form, you will pursue
your efforts. I ought not to attempt to influence
your deliberations lu this respect. It is clear that
the lever you ought to try to put into.action is that
of publie opinion. We can only succeed if this
opinion gives us its all-powerful aid with the go-
vernments, on whom the determination depends.
Present circumsta*ces are favourable, and invite us
to act. A. few months ago almost all governments
seemed to liaten to the evil suggestions of the
demon of waF; now, happily, they have changed,
and returned with a resolution most honourable to
the cause of peace. They declare their strong de-
sire to maintain for the world the possession of
this supreme good. They direct the great means
at their disposal to similar enterprises for the ad-
vancement of general. happiness, of learning, and
of liberty. We shall meet with a kind reception
from them especially if public opinion supports us,
And what the object of our ambitier4, if not to
place in their hands, as most proper, the task that
we have taken the liberty of assuming, and which
we only undertook because we found it abandoned ?
We have, then, to solicit public opinion and the
governments. We may solicit public opinion,
without fear of becoming intrusive, and without
being wanting in self-respect, if we demand only
what is for the general interest of the civilised
world, and for the special interest of every nation
comprising that civilisation. We may solicit the
governments with a respectful but untiring con-
stancy, when it will bring to them a subject for
glory, when what we require is of a nature to
strengthen the tie between nations, to inspire deep
gratitude from the people towards their rulers, and
to create for them with posterity an imperishable
title to honour.

On the motion of Dr. FARR, seconded by Mr.
LAWRENCE HEYWORTII, a cordial vote of thanks
was passed to th© Chairman for his able and beau-
tiful address.

M. KUPFFER, deputy from the Russian govern-
ment, and member of the Imperial Academy of
Sciences, St. Petersburg, detailed, in French, the
steps which are taking in that country with refer-
ence to the subject of a uniform decimal system.
Dr. HODGKIN, after thanking M. Kupffer for his
address, moved—" That this meeting respectfully
requests his Imperial Highness the Grand Duke
Constantino to fill the office of vice-president for
the Russian Empire, and that the resolution be
communicated to his- Imperial Highness by M.
Kupffer, the academician, through the Imperial
Academy of Sciences at St. Petersburg." Under the
auspices of the Grand Duke they might hope that
the decimal system would be most favourably re-
commended to Russia, which had nobly taken up
the subject, and was willing to lay aside its ancient
measures, which, as the meeting had heard from
M. Kupffer, had been derived from the Tartars of
old, and partly from the complicated system which
Peter the Groat derived from th's country.
Mr. I. 13. SMITH, M.P., in seconding -the resolu-
tion, said heithought the time was come when they
should petition the British Government
to call a
congress of nations to consider this important
question. He could not help thinking that, with
the fact before them that the government of Russia
was prepared to adopt the decimal system if Eng-
land would do the same, it would have a great
effect upon the mind of Parliament:
Mr. ROBERT KELL said that as one largely en-
gaged in foreign trade he felt daily the incon-
venience of the variety of systems of moneys,
weights, and measures which prevailed throughout
the world.

The resolution then passed unanimously.
At this period of the meeting Lord Brougham
entered the hall, and was very cordially greeted.
Mr. J. B. SMITH, M.P., moved—" That in the
opinion of this meeting the time has arrived when
the Government of this country should be requested
to invite the nations of the world to a congress, to
assemble at some convenient place, to take into
consideration the adoption of an international sys-
tem of weights and measures, and that the other
branches of this society be requested to address a
similar request to their respective Governments."
Mr. J. POPE HENNESSY, M.P., seconded the
motion in a short speech. _ _

Lord BROUGHAIVf said he .entirely agreed with
the proposition which had been made. He consi-
dered the presence of M. Chevalier upon that occa-
sion was a very great advantage as well as an hon-
our to the association.

Vice-presidents to represent Great Britain and
the foreign branches of the association were then
appointed, Mr. Roberts, a coloured person, being
appointed vice-president for Liberia.
Lord BROUGHAM remarked that such a proceed-
ing as the appointment of a black man to be one of
the foreign vice-presidents of the association was
very creditable. (Hear,)
The meeting was shortly after adjourned to the
following day.
The third sitting commenced at twelve o'clock on
Wednesday. There was only a small attendance.
Mr. Yates, F.R.S., one of the vice-presidents, pre-
sided.

The CHAIRMAN read a paper on " The best means
of promoting the extension of the metrical system
in the United Kingdom." He recommended that
their views should be communicated to all authors
of books for teaching arithmetic, with a request i
that they would consider the expediency of ntro-
ducing the method which the association recom-
mended. Secondly, application should be made to
persons engaged in education, so that they might
have an opportunity of expressing their wishes and
opinions to the Committee of Council on Education.
In conjunction with schoolmasters and authors of
books he recommended that they should apply to
the Committee of Council, urging the importance of
giving a decimal education as well as teaching the
principles of the metrical system.
Mr. LEONE LEVI, F.S.A., F.S.S., read an excellent
paper entitled " Observations on the Adaptation of
British Measures, Weights, and Coins to those of
other Countries." Having shown how confused
and inconvenient is our present system of weights,
measures, and coins, the evils which follow from
the complicated system, and the diversities which
exist in the weights and measures in use at different
places in the kingdom, he spoke of the inconveni-
ence of our units as compared with the units of
other countries. Our units were inconvenient, be-
cause they caused a very great excess of figures,
and, moreover, the use of such units kept us isolated
from all other nations of the world. Having shown
the need of reform in the whole matter of our
weights, measures, and coins, he remarked that two
objects ought to bo kept in view in effecting any
changes. The first was, that we should have a
perfect decimal system • the second, that we should
as much as possible bring our institutions into
unison with those of foreign countries. He then
detailed the great advantages of the metrical system
in both those particulars, and showed the beautiful
analogy which existed between the weights, mea-
sures, and coins of the metrical system and the uses
of such analogies in commercial matters. It was not
possible, he said, to have perfect identity in matters
of coinage in different countries, inasmuch as the
fluctuations of the exchanges, the regulations of the
different mints, and the difference in the value of
coins and precious metals, precluded perfect identity
in all countries. Two systems were prominently
before the public, and divided attention : the one was
the decimal of a pound sterling of 1,000 mils, and
the other was to take the penny as the unit. The
pound was the real standard of value, the only mea-
sure of worth, and the principal money of account.
It was a most convenient unit f-r large transactions,
and best described large sums. Again, the penny
was full of historical associations, and it was essen-
tially the poor man's money. Which of those two
units could best be sacrificed ? He thought that
with the pound we could offer a good decimal coinage,
but ho advocated the taking of the penny as a unit in
preference, and to multiply it by 10 and by 100, so
as to have a coin of Bs. 4d. in gold, and he thought
that this wonld not displace the pound. The pound
might still continue to have a certain relation to the
penny just the same as the quince., which was still
in use, had a relation to the present sovereign.
Mr. T. C. M. MEEKINS, barrister-at-law, thought
the requisites for an international system were an
identity of standard and an identity in the alloy.

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It was desirable, but would not be necessary, to dis-
place domestic coinage in andy country. Ultimately
it might be displaced, but in the meantime it might
circulate along with the other.
Mr. T. MITCHELL read a paper by Mr. Charles
Atherton, her Majesty's engineer at Woolwich
Dockyard, " On obtaining an uniform and decimal
system of measures, weights, and coins." The same
gentleman also read a piper by Mr. Wm. Hughes,
F.R.G.S., professor of gepgraphy in Queen's Col-
lege, London, strongly advocating the adoption of
the decimal system of measures as applied to the
construction of maps, and as au element in geogra-
Phi"l tuition.
- was read by Mr. Ye,' -
kin, of Liverpool, which . p
triO only other paper was one by Mr. J . E. Hodir..
M. ANTONIUS AMEUNEY, of Syria, gav
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-0 7eights, measures,
and distances.
A vote of thanks
the different 'ssays -was accorded to the writers of
which had been read, and the
Presl'lnt of the Mechanics' Institution for the use
of the hall.

THE GLOUCESTER ELEC2ION
COMMISSION,

GLOUCESTER, SATURDAY.
On the resumption of the inquiry this morning,
the Commissioners proceeded with the evidence re-
ferring to the election of 1857.
Mr. W. P. Price, the late member for the city,
was exam.i4e4 with reference to the election, and
statetl the cost of his election and petition, which
has already been reported. He also wished to make
a remark with reference to a statement made by G.
Buchanan, which he considered was unmanly and
unjust. The imputation was that money had been
paid by some persons on his account. The imputa-
tion was ungenerous, because it was so difficult to
disprove a general statement like that; but lie
would say that, to the best of his knowledge, no
person had ever paid a shilling on his account in
respect of elections, and there WiLS no reason why
they should.
By Mr. Mitford—Had be '=n asked to subscribe
towards the fund for su,;,-porting municipal contests,
and gave instructs ins to Mr. Ellis not to do so ; but
he was free to admit that he had on one or two oc-
casionslueen applied to by friends, who said, " If you
Won't subscribe to the election, give me something,"
and he had done so. He remembered giving £25 on
two separate occasions, but he did not belie ;,e he
had given more than £7O altogether for that pur-
pose. He thought that great mischief had arisen
from making the municipal election accessory to the
Parliamentary election. He looked upon the Glou-
eester Reform Club as the kale of the party. He
had objected to it, but could not prevent its being
formed, and he subscribed £lO to it as a benefit
club.

By Mr. Vaughan—Never asked the (London) Re- I
form Club for money, nor would he have conde-
scended to accept. one shilling. He was himself a
member of th_ts, club, and it was a fallacy lo suppose
that theßeformClub contributed to election expenses.
No doubt a subscription was ente'eed into, but it was
independent of the Reform Club. He never asked
for any assistance, nor could he have accepted it.
The cost of the election for 1832 was £B2O or £B3O,
which included 1;125 given to the mayor for charities
in lieu of being chaired, and also £lOO expended by
Mr. Ellis in watching the petition which was
lodged against his return, but never prosecuted.
He paid two-thirds of the Liberal expenses of that
election, Admiral Berkeley paying one-third. Mr.
Price also explained as to a sum of £94 10s. which
had been expended on the day of the poll in 1857,
but which was subsequently fully explained by the
next witness.
Mr. R. Potter, timber merchant, and partner
with Mr. Price, stated that, on the nay of the poll
in 1857, Brewer Monk came to him about two
o'clock in the afternoon. The poll was then against
Messrs. Berkeley and rrice, and Brewer Monk said
he could not get money to pay the outvoters their
travelling expenses, and upon this he gave him
£94 10s. The account remained in the books of
the firm until April, 1858, when it was transferred
to Mr. Price's private account. Undoubtedly he
might have suspected that among these " expenses"
there might have been some bribery. Thought it
very likely that ho had suspected that, in the ex-
citement of the election, money might have been
spent without very nicely distinguishing the boun-
daries between legal and illegal expenses.
Mr. John Chadbourn took part in the election of
1857 on behalf of Mr. Price and Mr. Berkeley, and
paid away altogether about £47. His papers were
all destroyed, but, as far as his memory served, he
would account for the amount. He paid 15 men,
whom he employed on his own account—for he had
strict instructions from Mr. Prieo not to pay any
money—about £2O. They were a kind of " roughs"
to protect voters. He also paid £lO or £l2 ex.-
penses.of voters coming from a distance—legitimate
travelling expenses—and the rest went in inciden-
tals. He subsequently received £35, which he
employed in getting up evidence in support of the
petition._

Mr. W. Viner Ellis, agent to Mr. Price at the
election for 1857, gave an account of the moneys
received from that gentleman. He had paid
£235 3s. 7d., the auditor's account, and £22 is.
for after expenses. This was the cost of the elec-
tion. He also paid in respect of the petition
which followed Mr. Coppock's bill, about £340, to
eChadbourn, the last witness, £35, and some
smaller sums, making altogether £646 for election
and expenses of petition. His instructions were not
to expend any money in expenses, and on the poll-
day he
was pestered to death by applications, so
that at last he was obliged to take refuge in Mr.
Phillpott's office. They came to him and said,
" Wecan win the election if you'll stand a little
money ;" but he told them that if half-a-crown spent
in bribery or corruption would win the election, he
would not give it.
Mr. Probert, jun., who canvassed for the liberal
party in 1857, received £lO for his expenses, and
paid the voters small sums to vote for Berkeley and
Price. The other party he found was buying up
all the votes.

Mr. David Fear, cooper, had transactions with
the firm of Price and Co., and never received a dis-
count of 4 per cent. from any bill of Price and Co.'s
against his on account of his vote.
Mr. Leonard Hadley supported Price and Ber-
keley. Neither paid nor received any money for
either of them in the election.

Mr. John Wodley Hughes—l sent £lO to Brewer
Monk on the day of election for the payment of
travelling expenses. He did not say for whom he
wanted it, but he said he wanted it for travelling
expenses, and so on; that he was much pressed for
money, and would be much obliged to me if I would
advance him some. I directed him to g to Mr.
Newman and get it on my account. I saw Mr.
Newman and told him to let him have it. I did
not at first suspect the money was for bribery, but
I did afterwards when I saw the confusion and ex-
citement which prevailed, and that some voters
were in liquor. I did not know my money was to
be applied to bribery. It was generally rumoured
that bribery was going forward. I don't know
that it was confined to either side. Did not ad-
vance any money for the 1859 election, and know
of no one who advanced any. Did not canvass in
1859. The £lO was repaid some months after-
wards, so Mr. Newman told me. I told Mr. Ellis
soon after the election that I had advanced this
money. It was two or three hours after I had ad-
vanced the money before I began to suspect it had
been employed in something more than " travelling
expenses." It is very likely that Mr. Ellis took
refuge in Mr. Phillpott's office, as I heard he was
not to be found.
Mr. Joseph Moss—No money passed through my
hands at the election of 1857. During the election
I went into the committee room in rather an excited
state, and told Mr. Ellis and Mr. Wilton that we I
were losing the election through not paying a num-
ber of voters their day's work ; Mr. Ellis said if one
shilling would save the election he would not ad-
vance it, and I retired from the room in disgust.
The Chairmaa—You were disgusted that you
could get no money P—l didn't want the money; it
wasthe men who wanted to be paid for their day's
work. I was disgusted to think we were losing
the election through not paying these men the
small amount they wanted merely for their day's
work.

John Coopey—l am a freeman and a dealer, and
I live in the parish of Churcham. I deal in sheep
and pigs and cattle. In 1859 I voted for Carden,
for which I received L 7 from a gentleman named
John Ward. He paid me at Tandy's at the Rising
Sun, before I voted. I came in with eight or nine
others on a coach. In 1857 I voted for Carden, and
received from John Ward. I had it from my
sister, Mary Coopoy. I have voted twice for Mr.
Hope and twice for Mr. Carden. I never got any-
thing for voting for Mr. Hope. Nobody offered
me anything.
Mr. William Withers—l was at a beerhouse
called the Victory on the polling day in 1857.
There were several ;voters called Drinkwater there ;
there were four or five of them. They wanted 50s.
each to vote, but I would not give it to them. They
were taken off in a fly and voted for Carden.. I paid
no money at the election. I received £4 for services
rendered on the petition.

Charles Bossora- —I am a freeman. Mr. Hall's
wife gave my little child £1 for my vote in 1859 for
Mr. Monk. I voted for Carden and Monk. In
1857 I voted for Sir R. Carden, but received
nothing. I had nothing from Sir R. Carden's
friends in 1859. I had the £1 for my expenses in
taking up my freedom when I came to Gloucester
in 1847. (A laugh.) The expenses were 16s.
Thomas Knight, freeman--I Toted for Carden and

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Monk. I had frm-----;T4e;—•---ge Dowers, and £lO I
took off a table. (Laughter.) It was through Mr.
Carden, Whithorn. I had a guinea in 1857, and voted for
I was paid as a messenger by Mr. Whit-
horn, three or four days after the election.
Mr. W. C. Cooke—Was a grocer in Soutb,gte
street. Never told Henry Cox that if he
would
vote as I wished I would remit him a sum of money
which he was indebted to
roe.
day, the court n adjourned till next Satur-
.
sessions, lueing required for the quarter