The Sun.
London, England, 1859-07-11 00:00:00

RIFLE CORPS,

Lord VIVIAN asked. whether it was the intention of
Government to pay the non-commissioned officers employed
to drill the volunteer rifle corps; and also whether it was
intended to grant a small payment to volunteer artillery-
men as an incentive to improve themselves in their mili-
tary duties. He thought such an arrangement would be
followed by the best results.
A NOBLE LORD wished to know whether it was intended
to supersede the militia by the volunteers ?
The Earl of RIPON said it was not intended to
supersede the militia by the volunteers, and the great -
est precaution would be taken to prevent any
clashing or rivalry between the bodies. In answer
to the question of the other noble lord he begged to say it
was not the intention of the Government to pay men to
instruct the volunteer corps, but simply to supply certain
proportions of arms ; for whioh, however, each corps was
to provide a sufficient and safe custody. A preference
would be given by the Government to the formation of vo-
lunteer artillery corp's, which would be supplied with in-
struction as well as with arms, but no further advantage
would be given to, them over the various rifle
corps. He had stated the other evening that it was
the intention of Government to sanction more than the
formation of a company, but so many representations had
been made to the Secretary at War that he had decided
upon sanctioning the formation of companies where favour-
able circumstances presented themselves.
The Earl of MALMESBURY said he had the honour
to command a militia artillery regiment, and al-
though it had been embodied nine months only
it only numbered 250 instead of the regular num-
ber. He could account for this only by the circum-
stance that the place appointed for assembling was far
distant from the homes of the men.

Lord RIPON,' in answer to further questions, said
the Government intended to instruct more commissioned
officers of disembodied militia at Hythe, and then
supply them to volunteer rifle corps wishing for instruc-
tion. He did not wish to prevent volunteers from getting
instruction elsewhere, but his object was to give every faci-
lity of obtaining instruction from Government if it was
required.
The conversation then dropped.
THE SLAT E TRADE.

Lord BROUGHAM presented a petition complaining of
the laws regulating Coolie immigration, and moved for a
committee to inquire into the whole subject,
The Duke of NEWCASTLE said he did not think it
would be advisable at this period of the session to appoint
such a committee. He hoped the subject would be inquired
into next session, and he should have great pleasure in
communicating with the noble and learned lord, and show
him that the subject had not escapedthe attention of the
Government.

SALE OF GAS BILL.
This bill was read a second time.
SESSIONAL DIVISIONS BILL
This bill passed through committee.
[LEFT SITTING.] •

HOUSE OF COMMONS—(This EVENING.)
The SPEAKER took the chair at four o'clock.
NEW MEMBERS.

Dr. Lyons took the oaths and his seat for the City of
Cork, and the Lord Advocate, on his re-election, for the
city of Edinburgh.

RED SEA AND INDIA TELEGRAPH COMPANY

(No. 2) BILL.
On the motion for the further consideration of the Lords'
amendments to this bill,
Sir J. GRAHAM having referred to the history of this
bill on its introduction in the last session of Parliament,
said that on its re-introduction this 'session Lord Stanley
of Alderley insisted on the insertion in the bill of the
agreement entered into between Government and the
country. He considered that the present bill con-
tained some very objectionable clauses. In the
first plan, by the provisions of the bill a guarantee of 41
per cent. for 50 years from the present time was given, which
guarantee was entirely irrespective of the success of the
undertaking. He also objected to that provision by which
Government was denominated ex ojiiio directors of thecom-
pany ; there was nothing to restrain them from becoming
shareholders, which he considered was very impolitic. The
Atlantic Teleg,raph Company Bill was to come onto-morrow,
and it was a measure similar to the present, so that it was desir-
able they should come to some decision in regard to the
point involved. A committee was to be nominated that
night on the subject of packet contracts, and he
thought it would be most desirable if they delayed
their further consideration of this bill for a fortnight orthme
weeks. In his opinion that would be the safest course, taking
into account the importance of the question and the amount
of public money that was to be expendeed according to the
provisions of the bill. The right hon. bart, concluded by
moving that. the further consideration of the bill should be
postponed for a fortnight. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. ELLICE secondod the amendment. He considered
that much benefit would be derived from the postpone-
ment of the bill until they were in possession 1
of the report on the packet contracts.
Mr. GREGSON contended that the amendments, if
closely scrutinised, were such as to give satisfaction to hon.
members ; and on the former occasion it went through
the necessary formalities of the house.
Sir H. WILLOUGHBY said he would support the
amendment of the right hon. baronet. The house had
not been informed previously that there would be £36,000
a-year expended on this undertaking out of the public
exchequer, which amount would be.increased to £45,000
a-year. He suggested that in the case of these Fi ,
bills, where the public money was to be voted, they vnte
should
proceed by resolution.
Mr.rds. H. BAILLIE supported the amendments of the
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Sir S. NORTHCOTE said thatt_ nobody could feel more
should be satisfied that the
.bill was a proper one.
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watched like
who usually the present to hate had
their attention directe d _to the subject, and it was to be re-
gretted that it had failed to attract their attention.
Mr. KINNAIRD said that the faith of the country had
been pledged to this undertaking,
and therefore they were
bound to fulfil their contract with the company.
Sir J. GRAHAM said that on referring •
to the bill he
found there was a clause which clearly empowered the ex opio
directors tD become shareholders, • •
he had already stated, he hadthe ton to which, as
a provision
strongest objections.
After a few words from Mr. n ,RAWFORD and ,Lord
DUNCAN,

— The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that
this was a matter of considerable delicacy, because the
public faith should be not only not broken, - but even
not suspected. When the bill was in the House
of Lords
i the Government were obliged to accept
it as t stood, and without reference to its
merits. :The public faith was pledged, and he certainly
was determined to fulfil the contract which had been entered
into between the Executive Government and the Company
according to the terms of the agreement. So far as the Go-
vernment were concerned they had no other course but to
adopt the agreement ; but with regard to the rights of theo
house that was an entirely different question, and n
members could determine where their jurT:lictionn
com-
menced and terminated. He agreed that this motion was
one of great public importance,- but, he repeated, that as the

public faith ti ..s pledged the: GpyernmenX4d ncvalternativ
but to adopt the contract.
Mr. DISRAELI said re certainly agreed to the preposi-
tion that it was not desirable that Parliament should enter
into any.unconditional guarantee, and the late Govern-
ment proceeded on this`principle. They made,-
however, two exceptions—the one with reference to
a telegraphic communication with India, and
the other with the United States,. The present contract
was not entered into until every other means had Uen ex-
hausted without being able to discover any other mode of
accomplishing the important object in view. •
After some further discussion the house divided, and the
numbers were—

For the further consideration of the amendments.: 177

Agdinst.

. 130

Majority
The amendments were then considered, and the bill was
ordered to be read a third time.

PRIVATE BUSINESS.
The following bills were' read a third time :—Falkirk
Police and Improvement ; Greenwich and South-Eastern
Docks ; an .Priee's Patent Candle Company. •
The foll Owing bills were considered and ordered for third
reading :—Bridport Railway, Cowes and Newport (Isle of
Wight) Railway, . Droitwich Roads, Epping Railways,
Hinckley and Melbourne Roads, Norwich New Street,
Stokes Bay Railway and Pier, Swanage Railway and Pier.