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London, England, 1832-04-12 00:00:00

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Noble Lords on the opposite itiast of the Howie
a., that if this Bill were carried Government could
not be carried on. It appeatil, to Mm that a great
allacy bad always accompantei thie argument.—
'Loud cheering.) /t appeartirl'to biro Noble Lord;
',ad always used this argument jest sce if before thfe:4(i
Will bad been introdneed the *aunt!" had been in I'
state of periiot tot:gym:re, perfect: happiness, and every
thing had been going on extremely well to all parties.
He begged to say this mei tet so.—(Hear, hear.) Noble
Lords said the Government ckra/d not go on with
this Bill cotv4d the Government go on without it ?
—(Loud sewers,) Did the late Government go ens
rithout it ? Was it not in cansequence—was it not from
-.lse want of this, or of some sack Bill that that
r4overnment had fallen from the hands of the NW..
Duke opposite? (Load ahem.) La :the coarse of the
debate in Oct. last, a great many explanatioes were at-
te npted to be given by tke Noble Duke to chew that it
roe not on ateoert of his statement reepeetiee Re-
form, that he bed withdrawn from the of c* of
Prime Minister.—(Hear, bear.) But it never appeared
to him (Lord Radnor) that the Nohle Duke had succeeded
'smoking out his proposition. Ou the 2d of Neveinher,
the Noble Duke had made a declaration io their Lord-
ships' House. that so long as tie occepi-el ti e office of one
of his Mtjesty's Counsellor., no measure shenld be
introduced for altering the system of P.:I-Fomenter,
representation. The declaration was to this effect,
though he (Lord Radnor) could not pledge him-
self to the exact words in which it was uttered
On the 15th Nov. there wane debate in the House of Com-
mons, upon which the Government were beat
by a majority. Three days afterwards there stood
au entry on the books () the Hone-r of Conarnone,
notice of a motion for a Reform of Parlumant, but before
the motion could be brought or on the folLiwing Tuesday,
the 6th day after Ministers had been beaten by a majority,
the Noble Duke resigned the stale of office, and stated
to their Lordships over and over again, that he did so be-
cause he had no lcager power over Ike House of Commons,
Well, then, it was in consequence of that question of Re-
form that the Noble Duke had lust the Government.—
(Loud cheers.) The Noble Duke mast be satisfiiid that
this was hie own statement so the Hese*, *eel be (Lord
Radnor) new nederitood the Noble Date to assent to the
truth of that statement.

The Dupe of WELLINGTON, el we steel-Oar:4
in a luw term /tem" the tehle, *llia be daik:reil not to
understood as useenting v., any prvposition of
Lord's.

Lad RADNOR sa;il that e scents the Noble
Duke was appreitenAve whoa vas in of's.ze that
the qurs:.ion of Reform w.asld it carriM in the House of
Commons. It was spite clear thers,f9re thlt the
Noble Duke thought that it w.,,J!.1 t,e
for bin' to ostry on the Go ...4.r0.0..nt ;. hoot
a system of Reform ; consequently it unfair for Noble
Lords on the other midc of the FI uNr to ady that Govern-
ment could go on without reform vi yen it Stoi ey:drnt it had
not been able, anui was not abl.e to go en without Reform.
(Loud cheers.) It was utterly imposs,hle to slippiest that
Cs...vernment could procesd without RAOrm. Tile Noble
Duke had said, that the ceontry had been Thrown
into great confusion by tlai, this rrnatsure ci RefOrtn.

And the whole responsibiloy thereof rested with
the N,,ble Earl at the head of the Goyenemeet. You, he
(Lord Radnor) did not admit that all the responsibility
rested with the Noble Earl.--(C.:stis.) He ;sad said se
over and over again ; and as he 'aail alreedy stat,d, a great
mistake had always run through the whole of the aria•
meat on the other side of the Howe, inailialleh as they
had assumed that all things were quiet and peaceable lm-
fore the Noble Earl canoe into office, and before tile Reform

Bill wits introduced. He begged to call tack to the recol-
lection of their Lordships what the state of the country'
was when the Noble Duke weld out aml the Noble Earl
Earl went into office. Many of the counties of this
country were in a state of civil war; sod it AV3to said even
by the Noble Earl himself, that the very first act he did after
down to that House and taking his seat on the
Treasury Bench, was to go to a Co,incil to consider what
could be adopted to allay the disturbances throughout the
country; and he (Lord Radnor) always said that some steps
ought to have been taken to wake the lioh:e Duke and th!
late Government responsible for the then state of things,

—(Cheers.) Consequently it was not correct to say that
the present state of things was attributable to thrlioble Earl.
The steps his Gevernment bad taken very Rona put an

end to these disturbances which had en siiiigrace;cl the
eountry.—(Hear, hear.) Why such steps had not been
taken it was impossible for him (Lord Radnor) to say ;
but he could not but think, that if roper measures had
been taken judicionaly and vigoessutly before the dieter.-
ances went to the height to which they extended, they
might in a great measure have been prevented.—(Cbeers )
At all events the country had to thank the Noble Earl,
and certainly not the Noble Duke for putting down the
disturbances. But then it had bees said a treat
excitement had been oseuioned by this Reform mesetsrh,
Anil teat his Majesty's Ministers had ante illy done every
thing in their power to increase the aeitatian en the sub-
ject of Reform.—(Cries of " Hear, bear.") This charge
the Noble Lord consider..d to be totally unfounded.
The first day his Noble Friend e...ine into office,
he came down to the House and stated the cuudi-
tions on which, by the king's maimand, he had
accepted it, one of which was, that he was to introduce
a Reform into Parliament.—(l-1-iar.) On that occasion
a Noble Lord, on the presentation of a petition had
stated his opinions of a plan which he suggested, bet
which he (Lord Radnor) expressed his disapprobaiiun of,
as being very unsatisfactory to the people. Nothing
was known of the plan of Government for several
months, and certainly nothing was lone by the
Ministers to excite any feeling among the people.
But it wasr.well known that the public feeling
was ripe thrcugbout the country is favour of
Reform.--fChetri.) In the county with which he
was connected (Wiltshire}, a public meeting was held,
notwithstanding the strong opposition there was to it
by the Tory party, who held several rotten boroughs
in that county, at which there way a unanimous
and strong opinion expressed in' favour of Reform,
During the period from the time of Ministers coming
into office, until the Bill was brought into the
House of Commons, numerous petitions had been presented,
praying fur Parliamentary Reform, and that of an extensive
description. To say that all the excitement that had
appeared in the country had been caused by Ministers,
was most unfair and incorrect. But the Nut& Duke had
said that that excitement had arisen out of the unfortunate
events of July in Paris. Now it IS3 happ ned that
the general election took place before the news of
the proceedings at Paris had arrived, and therefore
it was unfair to attribute the feeling which then pre-
vailed to those events.—(Hear, hear.) Every body
was aware that at those elections, the feeling in favour
of Reform predominated, more particularly at that for the
county of York, for which his Noble and Learned Friend
on the Woolsack had been elected. A*to what subsequently
occurred, even the dissolution of Parliament bud year,
was a matter of necessity imposed en the Government to
enable them to carry their measures, and if that dipole-
tion had not taken place, the coneequeneee wort I have been
very serious. With respect to the present question, he was
of opinion that it was of the ntmett importance that
it should be speedily set at rest.-(Loud cries of
err, hear.) He had heard with looms surprise
a Right Rev. Prelate state, that he hail taken the whole
of the circumstances and itonseietnees jabs eemeideration,
and he had made up hie mind to veoe against the Biil He
hot every respect for that Right Rev. permits ; but how
any person could bring himself to support the pr. cent
system of electioas in this country, was to hiss most ex-
traordinary, when bribery, corroplon, driinkennees, and
every species of vice were carried en. Would a y body say
tit of he, or any o. h. r person, should have toe power ni nomi-
naiing two persons to sit in the 11.iu-e of Commons? But
look at the vice, the hypocrisy, in sendinz those per-
sons there an.t railing tli.lll the rept-is • nt-eives o
the people.—(Cheers.) It had heen said that the
ten-pound clause would throw the whole repre-
eentation into the hands of the political unions,
now instituted in all parts of the country, and that it
WOU'd he used ktr the most deneerous purposes.
He could not conceive that that remoitueney would
he placed in the power of those uniens, and least of all toe
such motives. The political tiniest of Bit mingle ire had ikon
referred to, and it had kern objected that G !term:nest
had received deputation, from that nniun. Many Noble
Lords present knew Mr. Attwoed, wise was at the
head of it ; but if he was riehtv informed, ti o
Noble Duke opposite (Wellingten) when at the 1 e
of Government had Limed, received a deputation
from that Union, with Mr. Attwood at its head.—
(Heir, hear.)- But those who opposed the ten-pound
cause, imagined that the 101. voters wera all of one
—(Hear, hear,)--and that they had no cant:xi.,
with persons who paid 20/. or 301. rent. Look at
Weetminster for instance, and he would ask low
sonny of the 10/. voters were of the lower or& lb
Some Noble Lords appeared to imagine that these who
paid ten-pounds would vote one way, and those who
paid twenty-pounds another way.—(Hear, bear.) Thea
:is to the argument that ptreons connected with
Government could not under the Formed Biil he alsL
vi get into Parliament, in proof of the contrary of Wirt
tlMerit, he .worst refer t., the case of Mr. Fi,x ; rvf
al bough a Minister, had been three times elected itif
Wert:master ; a termer Lori cif tbt Admiralty bed Wes