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The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that
some of these officers were bound to make these re-
turns without any charge at all.—(Hear.) Charges of
700/. and 800/. per annum had been Made by some Irish
Clerks of the Peace, and after the matter had been taken up
in Parliament, the charges were discontinued, and the duty
was done free of any expense to the public.—( Hear.)
The Hon. FOX •MAULE had received no return from
Buckinghamshire, the West Riding of Yorkshire, and only a
part return -from Pembroke. The Clerk of the Peace for
Caermarron had stated that the return was wade out, but al-
though these applications had been made to him, he had re-
fused to forward them until he had ascertained by whom he
would be paid.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER gave
notice that if these returns from Caernarvon were not made
forthwith, he should move that the Clerk of the Peace be re-
quired to attend at the Bar of the House.—(Loud cries of
" Hear, hear.")
After a few words from Sir Matthew White Ridley, Major
Beauclerc, Mr. AgLonby, and Mr. Goulburne, the question
was put from the Chair, that the Clerks of the Peace for these
counties be required to make their returns forthwith, and
was agreed to.

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BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE.
Lord JOHN RI_TSSE LI, took the opportunity of stating
before the House went into Committee on the Municipal
Corporation Reform Bill, that to-morrow. evening he
should move that the House do, for the remainder of
the Session, meet on Tuesdays, Thursdays, and Fridays,
at twelve o'clock, "and sit until three o'clock, and then
adjourn until five o'clock. He trusted that, by this ar.
rangement, unless there were any very important public
petitions, the House would be able to commence business at
half-past five o'clock. On other days, he proposed that the
proceedings of the House should take the usual course.
CORPORATION REFORM BILL.
On the motion of Lord JOHN RUSSELL, the House
went into Committee upon the Municipal Corporation Re-
form Bill.

On the 37th clause being read,
'""Sir R. INGLIS rose to object to the delaration proposed
to be taken by the officers in the new Corporations, and
moved that in lieu of the word "declaration" the word "oath"
be inserted.

Lord JOHN RUSSELL objected to the Amendment, on
the ground that the duties of these officers would be as well
and faithfully performed under a declaration as under an oath,
and he thought that the fewer oaths there were the more ef-
fectually would those that were taken be attended to.

(LEFT SPEARING.)

HOUSE OF LORDS.

= ,The Earl of SHAFTESBURY took his seat on the Woolsack
at 20 minutes past five o'clock, as Deputy- Spoaker. A Mes-
sage from the Commons brought up some private Bills.
The Sugar Duties' Bill, Western Australia Bill, and Isle of
Man Corn Bill, were read a third time and passed.
• The Earl of FARNHAM moved for a series of returns re-
lative to the composition of tithes in Ireland; and the names
of all applications made to the Lord Lieutenant from parishes
in Ireland, with the names of the applicants.
Lord DUNGANNON had no objection to the making of
such retuans if the Government were in possession of them.
He had some doubt whether they were.
Lord FARNHAM said a Noble Lord had stated in another
place that these applications had been very numerous. As he
was extremely opposed to the re-opening of any composition,
he was extremely anxious to know how the matter really stood.
Aftar a few words from the Marquis of WESTMEATH and
the Marquis of LANSDOWNE, •
Viscount CLIFD E N said these compositions had been made
to the number of 1,497 under Mr. Goulburn's Act, which was
calculated on the price of wheat for seven years beforelB',o, when
it was very high. Their Lordships were aware it was not now
of near the same value. He lamented that their Lordships
had thrown out the Tithe Bill of last year, unwisely he
thought fur themselves, and very unfortunately both for the
county and the clergy, for he was firmly of opinion that if
they had got 773- per cent., they would have the full value of
their tithe according to the present price of wheat.
The motion was then agreed to.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE gave notice that to-
morrow he would put some questions to the Noble Viscount,
relative to a letter written to the Magistrates of Ireland from
''-e Lord Lieutenant.
AFFAIRS OF SPAIN.

The NOBLE MARQUIS then said, the Ilouse would recollect
the questions he had put to the Noble Viscount opposite
(Melbourn), relative to the troops now going out to Spain.
He had first asked whether the Order in Council was
issued on the part of the Government, or on the ap-
plication of the Spanish Ambassador ? The answer to
that was perfectly satisfactory. The other question wa.?,
whether these levies, mercenaries, or British auxiliary force
—whichever the Noble Viscount called them--( Loud
laughter.)—now assembling in the Isle of Dogs—( Laughter)
—were to be entitled to the benefit of the convention
of Lord Eliot. He was quite sure the Noble Viscount
would not mis-state any fact ; therefore he wished to ask
him what construction he put upon the Treaty. It was most
important for these troops to know, for there was a decree put
forth by Don Carlos in which any stranger joining the other
forces were excluded from the benefit of the Treaty, and ordered
.to ,be instantly shot. That was directly at variance with
the statement of the Noble Viscount; and it was desirable
that these misguided men, now ready to embark, should be
disabused of the deception put -upon' them by the
Noble Viscount.—( Hear, hear.) He demanded to know
why that" statement had been made, and why there was so
much delusion practised with regard to th,j§ aid to Spain, as it
was called. Ile could not hear the Noble`tord the Seccretary
for the Home Department state that Don Carlos support
was confined to two or three provinces, witlfout thinking that
there was a great deal of ignorance or wilful misrepresentation.
It was well known that the facts were quite different ; that
Don Carlos not many months ago left this country with only one
attendant, and that now he had 36,000 men well armed ; while
the Queen's troops, which then amounted to 56,030 :nen, bad
been beaten at every point, and that more than 8,000 of them
had gone over to Don Carlos. Such a statement, made by a
Secretary of State, was sure to mislead this fruitless and
monstrously absurd' exhibition. He in the Meantime trusted
the Noble Viscount would answer his questions.
Viscount MELBOURNE—AII he had said upon a former
occasion' was, that in his opinion those persons now going out
would be entitled to the benefits of the convention. It was
impossible foi him to say what construction the parties in Spain
might put upon 'the Convention. With respect to the de-
cree, he firmly believed that it was a forgery, and did not
emanate from Don Carlos, whose name it bore.

(LEFT SITTING.)

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

110 USE OF COMMONS, Jul.], 1.
(Continued from our Second Edition of last night )
IRISH CORPORATE REFORM.
Mr. O'CONNELL• then presented a petition from the
city of Dublin, most numerously and respectably signed,
praying that the Corporation Reform Bill might be extended
to Ireland. M tny abuses existed in the Corporations of that
country—in Dublin the judicial functions of the Lord Mayor
himself, and those of the sub-sheriiis, were farnied, and though
before the Reform Bill the Corporation of Dublin made a
Report to that /louse that no persons were admitted freemen by
right, yet they bad since contrived to evade the provisions of
that Report.
Mr, SHAW —Tha statements of the Hon. Gentleman are
founded on fact, but the system pursued scarcely bore out de
term of farming. As to the statement made by the flon. and
Learned gentleman the other night respecting Mr. Iludsm,'s
case, he had now most distinctly to declare that his (Mr. Shaw')
father was not Foreman of the Grand Jury before which ft e
Bills relative to that transaction were sent. The fact was that
Sir R. Shaw never; in his life, was on a Grand Jury befo: e
whom the Bills could have been sent. Mr. Stubbs WR3 tl.e
Foreman before whom the Bills went.—(Cheers from tl e
Tory side.)

Mr. O'CONNELL was very much obJiged to lion. Gen-
tlemen for that cheer. Ho would assert most positively that
Sir li, Shaw was the Foreman before whom the Bills were
sent---(Great checririg.) The mistake was, that the Bills
tievo not sent before the Commission Grand Jury, but before

...to discountenance this new pretence of public officers, who
• presume to say that they will not comply with the orders of
parliament, until a contract is entered into to pay the amount
of what they consider themselves entitled to.
Mr. WILK S said he agreed in every word that had
fallen from the Right Honourable the Chancellor of the
Exchequer, as to the power of that House, and the necessity
of asserting it; but it should be recollected that these
parties did not deny the authority of the House, but
came before them in the form of respectful application.
They surely ought not to require those persons to perform
these duties without compensation—at least they ought to
take timely notice of the application.
An HoN. MEMBER said that, instead of being paid, these
parties ought to be severely reprimanded. It seemed to him
that these Gentlemen were very well paid for the services
they performed.
Sir ROBERT INGLIS said it should be recollected
that these parties were spending their money for the good of
the public.
Mr. HUME thought the system under which these officers
were paid was in some way defective. The country ought
to pay them a proper salary, and then they should do
whatever business was required by that House.—(Hear,
hear.) Some of • them had made charges of a most
extravagant nature, for the returns forwarded by order
of the House of Commons, and if a proper salary was allowed
them their whole time should be devoted to the public business.
Ha had looked at the salaries paid to Clerks of the Peace,
and he was bound to say, that on the average, they
were amply remunerated for all they did in their re-
spective counties, and all they did for that House.
some general rule should be laid down for the purpose of pre-
venting the orders of that House from being neglected ; a
great delay occasionally took place, in consequence of these
returns not being made out until the officers had ascertained
if the county would pay them. He thought if the returns
were not made the Clerks of the Peace should be called to the
bar of the House.
Mr. HE ATHCOTE hoped that while the interests of tl-e
Clerks of the Peace were attended to, those of the country
would not be neglected. Gentlemen were not, however,
aware.of the heavy expense to which they were put in making
out these returns. He had been infermed, that one-fourth, and
frequently one-third of the annual charges made by the
Clerks of the Peace, were for returns ordered by that House.
Under these circumstances he thought it would be better that
they should be paid out of the public funds than out of the
county rates