The Sun.
London, England, 1832-04-09 00:00:00

LONDON, MONDAY EVENING, APRIL 9, 1832.

SECON D EDITION.

SUN OFFICE, Seven o'clock.

IMriIUALPARWMEN'

THIS EVENING.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.

Mr. HODGES moved the third reading of the Graves-
end Pier Bill.
Mr. HUME ►uggested the adjournment of this ques-
tion until the surveys of the rivers, ordered by the Admi-
ralty, be completed.
After a few words from Sir R. Inglis, Mr. C. Calvert,
Mr. Hodges, and several other Members, the third read•
irg was postponed until to-morrow.
Mr. HODGES presented a petition in favour of that
Rill from the magistrates, clergy, &c., of Gravesend and
Nlilton, in the county of Kent ; also, two similar petitions
from certain mechanics and artisans of the metropolis in
avour of the Bill.
Mr. MACKINNON presented a petition from the
Rector and Select Vestry of St.. Marylebone parish, pray-
ing that if the present Cemetery Bill pass into a law the
Rector and Select Vestry may receive compensation for
the loss of burial fees.

O❑ the motion of Sir THOMAS FREENIANTLE,
Colonel Clayton's Divorce Bill was read a third time.
Mr. HUME presented a petition from the working
classes of E•linburth, against the Edinburgh Police Bill.
He wished the Bill to be postponed until after the holydays,
because a great many petitions were getting up against it
in that town.

An HoN. MEMBER said it was not intended to go into
Committee on the Bill until after Easter.

Lord STANLEY presented a petition from several
owners and occupiers of collieries, &c., against the Bolton,
Bury, and !Manchester Railway Bill, or to compel the
Company to alter their line of Railway. Referred to the
Committee.

Mr. HAYWOOD presented three similar petitions from
individuAls. Referred to the Committee.

The same lion. Member then presented a petition from
certain freeholders, leasehnlders, and inhabitants of Man-
chester, in favour of the Birmingham and London Rail-
way Bill.

Lord MORPETH brought up the report of the Com-
mittee on the Hartlepool Pier Bill and amendments to the
some, which were read the second time.

The NOBLE Loan also brought up the report of the
Hartlepool Railway Bill.
Lord GRIMSTONE presented a petition of certain sub-
scriners to the Birmingham and London Railway, praying
that their names might be erased from the list of subscri-
bers, and that they might be heard by themselves or
Counsel against the Bill.

Mr. LAWES, from the Bankruptcy Court, presented
certain returns which had been ordered by the House, and
which were ordered to he printed.
Mr. SANDFORD presented a petition numerously
signed from the inhabitants of Wellington, Somerset-
shire, against the proposed system of national education in
Ireland, and praying that the system of education should
be founded on the whole Bible, and not on detached parts
of it. The Hon. M,mber said he could not support the
complaints in the petition, and observed that he thought
many of the petitioners did not thoroughly understand the
subject. lie also presented a petition from certain 114 x.
spinners of Yeovil, against the labour in facto-
ries Bill. Also, two Petitions, one from Chaud, Somer-
etshire, which was against ahe Register of Deeds,
Bill, and the other from Axbridge, Sometsetshire, also
against that Bill. They were referred to the Committee
on the Bill. He then presented a petition from a certain
religious congregation at Ilminster for the abolition of sla-
very in the colonies.

Mr. STRICKLAND presented a petition, which was
of much importance, as showing a great sympathy of the
English in favour of the Irish : it was from Liveredge, in
the West Siding of of York, in favour of the
Government system of education in Ireland, signed
by 1,425 persons, and agreed to by a public meeting
which was so numerous that it was obliged to be adjourned
to the open air. The Hon. Member thought that many
of the objections made to the proposed plan were founded
on mistake. Already upwards of 220 schools had been
applied for containing a much larger number of pupils
than had been educated in the Kildare-street society's
schools oftcr they had been established four years. He
thought the proposed plan would tend much towards the
tranquillity and happiness of Ireland.

_
Captain GORI)ON said he would explain how this
petition was got up. A meeting had been called by
thirty clergymen, not for the discussion of affairs in ge-
neral, but the invitation was limited to the friends of
Scriptural education for the purpose of agreeing to an
address to the trone, after the advertisement had been
read, a number of persons broke up the meeting by
violence and uproar, and a meeting of their own at
which ;his petition was agreed to. He thought that he
might infer that the opinion of the well-informed persons
wos against the Government plant.
Sir JOHN JOHNSTON supported the prayer of the
petition.

Mr. D. W. Havey was surprised to hear so many ob-
jections to the proposed plan, and so many complaints
against Governmake for takinq the paltry annual grant of
15,000 a year from the Kildary-steet Socioty, when he
supposed that there was enough of Protestant virtue and
Protestant liberality- in Ireland to inahe up that sum if
pleased, and so prevent the Kildare-street Socie'y from
perishing. It was not more than six months of the rentf

of a Bishop of Ireland, and therefore why complain of
the Government when it was in their own power to per-
petuate their iavourite Kildare-street Society ; for if they
choose to krep up that establishment, it was ❑ot in the
power of Government to support it.
Mr. WISE addressed the House in favour of the pro-
posed.

- The D puty Usher of the Black Rod appeared on the
floor, and summoned the House to the Bar of the House
of Lords, to he the Royal Assent given by Commission,

Bios. On the Speakers—return, ho read a list
of the Bills, to which the Royal Assent had been given
(for which see the Lords Rtport.)
Sir R. INGLIS then resumed the discussion upon the
petition, and spoke against the new plan of education.—
As to the observation of the Hon. Member for Colchester
(Mr. Hawes), that 15,0001. could soon be collected by
the Protestants, he begged to observe that it was not a
question of pounds, shillings, and pence, but it concerned
an excellent plan of education, to which his Majesty's
Government had hitherto lent their countenance, but
which they thonght proper now to withdraw from it.—
lie should shortly have occasion to present several peti-
tions from very populous places against the Government
plan.

Mr. J. JOHNSTON said a few words against the
new plan of education. He had understood that the
whole Bible any not merely extracts from it should be
read ; he believed that the Kildare-street Society did not
use the Scriwures by extrcts merely. He was opposed
every extracts but if they were to be used, let it be in their pro-
per places.—(Bear.) He knew of five of six Presbyterians of
Scotland, and various popular Towns, had determined to peti-
tion the,House against this plan.
MR. JAMES GRATTON spoke in favor of the Govern-
ment plan, and depreciated such a discussion as the present, on
the pesentation of a petition- He was, however, conhdent
that when the proposed plan was better understood, the bible
would be much better read than it had hitherto been among
the poor of Ireland. There was nothing in the plan to prevent
the whole bible being read during certain periods of the day,
but in school-hours seleci portions only '.were used,
Mr. LEFROY was against the system proposed by the
Right Hon. Secretary, and he was glad to say that he was not
alone in that opinion, but that he held it along with almost
the whole Protestant population of Ireland. He might
mention the petition which had been presented to the House
from the United Synod of Ulster, a petition which he believed
had passed unanimously. The objection that had been offered
to the system pursued by the Hildare Street society, viz, that
the bible was in some parts so obsceae, that it ought not to be
put into the hands of those who could not understand it was
well founded, because it was left to the discresion of the master
what portions were suited to the advanced state of the pupil.
MR. SHA W had no wish to prolong the discussion upon this
subject, but he wished to correct a few mistakes into which the

Honorable Member for Colchester (Mr. D. W. Harvey) had fallen
He had said That there was only a sum of 15,000/. withdrawn
from the Kildare Street Society, now the fact was that the
,um withdrawn was 25,000/. He (Mr. Shaw) did not complain
of the withdrawal of that sum for he considered that all such
societies flourished more when left to private support, but
what he complained of, and to which he must enter his
protest, was that Government had not withdrawn the grant
altogether, but had :merely done so in order to set up adother.

system which in his opinion was not well founded.
Atter a few words from Mr. Shiel, Mr. Stichiand, Mr
Wyse and Mr. Gordon
• Mr. ROBINSON said, he thought it would be impossible t,
get up any system of Education which would please the tw,
*neat parties in Ireland. He thought the best plan would be
chess the grant was before the House, either to withhold the
grant altogether or divide it between both systems, accordim
to their numbers, or some other plan of division.
(LEFT SPEAKING.)