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teat, on refloction, he would regret.—( Cries of " No, no.")
ETairin
ire
Out at liberty to take the language of the Noble
Noble part, as he had done. He had observed the
Earl to laugh at him, when he stated that he bad mis-
apprehended what had fallen from him. The expressions made
use of he would not say were the most offensive that he had
ever heard in Parliament, but certainly they were the strongest
terms that he had ever heard used in either House of Parlia-
ment' lie was sure, when the Noble Earl spoke, be laboured
under strong feelings'
of excitement, and under an erroneous
view as to the motives that actuated him. As for his saying
anything
g in that House which he would not dare to utter out of
!, he (Lord Brougham) would not take the trouble to deny
Its-it was of such an extraordinary nature.
The Earl of WINC HILLE A observed that he might
bat
hosed strong expressions and exhibited warm feelings,
a! could not coolly hear their Lordships' House corn-
pared to a mob—(Cheers)—and to hear their Lordships
`,T)J that they were influenced by sordid private motives,
7,,uf rent from those that actuated their fellow-countrymen.
ht had not at once repelled such charges, which he felt
1,1131 n the bottom of his heart to be false, he should hare
tnnught that he was only entitled to the contempt instead
b 1 the esteem of his fellow-countrymen.—(Hear.) They
11 been told the country was on the eve of a crisis. The
object of their Lordships should be to prevent anything like a
collision between the two Houses, and certainly the speech
the Noble and Learned Lord was not calculated to pre-
vent au/ collision.—(Cheers.) Although that House was a
tastriaanl,l'body in number, still they were a large body as com-
p. (I,lnk; the esteem and respect of the great body of the
;Ple• He had consulted the opinions of many eminent le-
• . authorities on the subject, who wore fully as able to
they
correct opinion as the Noble and Learned Lord, and
_L.e)' concurred with him in considering the Bill to be uncon-
stitutional. He admitted that the Bill had been greatly ire-
r°twedsince it had been sent no from the other House, but sti 11
ie clauses were left in it which were a direct attack on pri-
ssitteproperty. Such was still his dislike of the Bill, that if he
I°tl alone he should resist the third reading.
+.l:ie Re , , • ,
port was tnen receisea.
VISCOUIIt MELBOURNE said, that as it did not appear
'aat there would be any necessity for further debate on the
"to eadment he intended to propose, he would at once proceed
, !flake it, without any observations. If, however, any serious
:'').lections were made to the proposition he intended to make,
stlee should feel it necessary to trouble the House with some ob.
tvaticms• Before he made his motion, he hoped he might be
badfor expressing his regret at some of the language that
, been used in the course of the evening, and the tone that
tt prevailed in a part of the debate. He was far from wish-
or
ta (1° any thing calculated to exasperate the public feeling,
sto do any thing to prevent the Bill, as it went from their
cialrraciest3itiPs' House, from receiving elsewhere the fullest and
when
eo3sideration (Loud eheers)—at the same time
he referred to the strong language used in the course
f the
debate," he felt that it was but a piece of justice
1,0 "4 Noble and Learned Friend to say, that he had
c•
ard nothing in his speech which could justify the
firdg: language used by the Noble Earl.—
( Hear, hear.)
,0 Id not hear his Noble and Learned Friend impute any
,` to▪
ld motive to any of their Lordships ; and the word
13
which he had used in the course of' his speech, had
the- aFPlied in a similar way before, and he was sure that
Noble Earl was aware that when his Noble and Learned
offend used it he had been interrupted. He (Lord Mel-
eetitne) could refer to authorities to show that the term had
,felit, used as applicable to any assembly, whether composed
arin eel's or other menfor the former were actuated by the
lle views 3 and influenced by the same motives, as other men.
41,1:eeollected that the celebrated Lord Chesterfield, in one
girenls letters to his son, alluding to the success of one of his
zvailhca,,dt
esiPiveeereyh,es in that House, which, after attributing it
ellY to the beauty of the composition, and to the grace of
proceeded tothat any popular assembly was
~,mob--like a mob was touc'hed, and like a mob would be
-eosed
—or actuated-4 Hear, hear, and laughter.) Therefore
oistitioble and Learned Friend was not singular in the use
ci es t°rni ; and when he said that the same views and prin-
coPade aPplied to them as to others, he could not be strongly
subjectettined•—( Hear, hear, hear.) He would not pursue the
fe i. further, but he trusted that all strong and excited
t%l;.inisugratZtild pass away, and that they would proceed with
eonideration of the subject with that coolness
omeliessili its nature required. He had. intended to move the
nen °n of the second clause of the Bill, relating to the perma-
f, ee Of the rights of freemen, but he should not do so, as he
,I,lndthat it could be done in the third readind. He thought
!‘obetter to proceed to that part of the Bill required
st attention. He meant the greatest innovation that had
',ll introduced in the principle of the Bill—that which had
troreed the greatest alarm throughout the country, and which
Irlhiebtainted and affected the whole of that new constituency
t t, this Bill proposed to introduce into boroughs, he meant
ha- "'nob made aldermen for life, and that the aldermen next
?°sell were to be those who were now members of the old
rperations. The sixth clause enacts this, he should there-
:ormove the omission of the word aldermen in it, and those
ortds• referring to their appointment for life. A similar
shoal' si nn must be made in the 25th and 26th clauses, and he
to fhd also move the omission of the 27th clause : which related
alder the
subject. and which enacted that the first body of
e
ti e—eu must consist of the present members of the corpora-
hadairtlP,on the whole question he thought their Lordships
eide LeauY heard sufficient discussion on what they had to de-
obse' " therefore thought it unnecessary to address any further
Tp,ation to them.
the " amendment was then put The House divided, when
numbers were
lion Lord Melbourne's motion,
Present
Proxies
Against the motion,...
Present lO3
Proxies 57-160
Majozity against omitting the amendments
introduced by the Lords
LO: our re admission we found 71
that I'd LYNDHURST moving an amendment to the effect
everyvery alderman of the corporation should, at the end of
subscribe years, if required in writing so to do, make and
ib° a declaration that be was ualified to the same
-num of real
ration or personal estate as was specified in the decla-
/-I,_of qualification originally made by him-
amendment was agreed to.
the ef; Earl of FALMOUTH proposed an amendment, to
vent ect that no person who had been a bankrupt, an insol-
eoze„' or who had compounded with his creditors, should be-
five - a mayor, alderman, or councillor, within the period of
,lebYeare after he had obtained his certificate, or had paid his
ts Lard full
L
said, if YNDHLTRST objected to this
.amendment, and
take the.the Noble Earl persisted in introducing it, he must
Lyridhr ',hole responsibility of it upon himself, for he Lord)
Viseenust
Earl
wipe his hands of it altogether.
The atELBOURNE objected to the amendment.
bankru
ot of FALMOUTH observed, if they would have
Noblethe -S it was not his fault ; but as the Noble Viscount and
withdraw 1M Learned Lord opposed lorn, he must of course
t 1 t atnendment.
antrodu
b,inotion of the Earl of ROSSLYN, a proviso was
the nen to a • A
Paten the effect that this ct should not alter or affect
sloivsnent
ot f %anted by EdwardschVolo.l awtitlh,ouretlsip.ect to the en-
One free grammar
t r ccue_b_,o2notion of Lord LYNDHURS T, a proviso was
. in.-
the
eiovu tor Preserving all jurisdictions and authorities within
therein' and precincts °of any cathedral as were now exercised
ThSeeVeral other amendments were
proposed and agreed to.
posl, were discussed in a tone of voice which rendered it im-
possible to collect their character or import.
1/04 fie Bills on the table were forwarded a stage, and the
use adjourned at two o'clock, till one o'clock to-morrow.

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43-89

Of LIST OF THE MINORITY
Rt.
on Lord Melbourne's motion to omit the word " Alder-
men" in the 6th Clause, which Clause confirms the appointment
of Aldermen for life.

Orkftennu4BB.
Richmond
IAIA Remsias
.leadalban •
elan • de • near e
Conyngbarn
Ileadfort
Lansdowne
Queensberry
estminstt r
EARLS.
Albemai le
,harlemont
Leitrim
Lichfield
Mint()
idnor

PEERS PRESENT.
BA RLS.
Scarborough
Thanet
ISCOUNTS.
Duncannon
Melbourne
Torrington
BARONS,
Auckland
Barham
BA RONS.
Brougham
Cloncurry
Denman
Ducie
Dunally
Foley
Gardner
PAIRED OFF.
EARLS.
Erroll
Essex
Morley
Rosebery
Suffolk
:BARON.
Belhaven

BARONS.
Glenelg
Hatherton
Holland
Howard of Effingham
Li ford
Mostyn
Polt imore
Plunket
Saye and Selo
Segrave
Strafford
Templemore

BISIIOPS,
Bristol
Chichester
Limerick
Bristol

Norfolk AE.
TavrsoacrisEs.
Winchebter
13_ EARLS.
craven
4Tenont

BARONS.
Dinorben
Dundas
Dunmore
Howden
Seaf, rd
Sherborne
Suffield

DUXES.
11. the Duke
1/;'dford
,cveland
11),,iroshire
Sutherland
1444titsz
A oglesea
a.
'Wellesley
EA RLS.
aloperdown
CariiNle
Chichester
vseork
uerby

PROXIES.
EARLS.
Durham
Fingal!
Fitzwdliam
Gosford
Granville
Grey
Huntingdon
Ludlow
Mulgrave
Nelson
Oxford
Ranfurly
Shannon
Shrewsbury

BARONS.
Arundel
Dace

Dormer
Falkland
Glenlyon
Godolphin
King
Kinnaird
Lynedoch
Lyttleton
Stourton
Western
Yarborough

%ISCOUNTS.
Clifden
Lake

BISHOP.
Norwich

w —ELPAST ELECTION.—The Belfast Chronicle of
ednesday announces that Mr. Tennent resigned on Tuesday
tight, in consequence of the decision of the Assessor concern-
Ina some of Mr. T.'s voters.
MUNICIPAL REFORM BILL.—The parishioners
lof Chelsea, Fulham, Kensington, and Hammersmith, have
ately held several public as well as parochial meetings, in con-
equence of the determined spirit that prevails among the Tory
Portion of the Peers in the House of Lords to mutilate the
he sieipal Corporation Reform Bill, as presented to them by
1
hit. House of Commons. They have agreed on several reso-
rts' and petitions will be immediately
rn
forwarded to their
representatives for their presentation to
the House of Co-
Z°r Ls, expressing their disgust at the conduct of the Upper
°,userof Parliament, in destroying its most important clauses
ceinanneons, thereby rendering it wholly undeserving the
of the people of England.