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after such language as that, of allaying animosities—and or
pouring oil upon the troubled waters. Would this country, he
asked, suffer their country, suffer Ireland—to have her peace
sacrificed to the ambition of one man ?—( Cheers.) Would
she allow him to destroy the prosperity of the country whilst
he enriched himself with the contributions of her peasantry?—
(Cheers.) Did not the Noble Lord (John Russell) say over
and over again, that the distractions and disquietude of Ire-
land were attributable to the Honourable and Learned
Gentleman ? Did not, in fact, the Noble Lord and his
colleagues charge him with being the cause of the insu-
bordination existing in that country ?—( Hear, hear, hear.)
And did not the -Noble Lord call on all -who were well
greeted to his Majesty's Government, to disconnect them-
selves from the Hon. and Learned Gentleman, and oppose
themselves to the course he had taken. Had the Hon. and
Learned Gentleman now altered that course ? In the very
preliminaries to the present connexion, the Hon. and Learned
Gentleman announced the expected alteration in the system
of the late Whig Cabinet. " They would," he said, "be once
more the good old Whigs, to whom, in their future Adminis-
tration, he was not unwilling to unite himself."—( Hear,
and a laugh.) "But," said the Hon. and Learned Gentle-
man in his address, "do you think I have given up agitation,
or abandoned the darling object of my waking hours—the re-
peal of the Union ? No. In every step I take that is my aim.
When I before suspended its agitation, and advocated: reform,
I told you I did so as a means to that one end."—( Hear, hear.)
Such was the avowed end of the Hon. and Learned Gentle-
man, who now gave and received co-operation from some Hon.
Gentlemen opposite, whose chief fault, in his eyes, was that
they did not go far enough with him.—( Hear, hear.) What
had the Hon. and Learned Gentleman said in June last of the
Noble Lord and his colleagues? He called them—and cer-
tainly they were not very modified terms—" base, contemptible
Ministry "—( Hear)—" atrocious Whigs "—( Hear, hear)--
" contemptible, drivelling Adminstration"—" the bane of Ire-
land"--and he called on Ireland to fling them off with scorn
and contempt.—( Hear, hear.) Could the Noble Lord pos-
sibly, after an expression of opinion nowise equivocal in its
meaning—could he, enjoying an honourable character and a
high station—to attain any object of ambition, or give annoy-
ance to an opposite party, join himself to any person who so
thought and so expressed himself of the Noble Lord's asso-
ciates, as well as himself ? The Noble Lord, perhaps, was
perfectly appeased by the Hon. and Learned Gentleman's
adhesion, and the strength which the. Noble Lord's party
were deriving from the cordial attachment of the Hon. and
Learned- Gentleman.—( Hear.) But let not the Noble Lord
flatter to deceive himself, he has not had the first proffers—
the first wooings—the virginal embrace of the party to whom
he was now weded; the alliance was first offered to his (Mr.
Shaw's) side of the House.—(Oh, oh.) Yes, it was—to him-
hear)—in that House openly, during the last Ses-
sion. " Now is the time," said the Hon. and Learned Gen-
tleman, " for you, Tories, to join us—(laughter)—and turn
out the base Whigs."—(Hear, hear.) Such was the previous
opinions entertained of each other by the parties whom he had
to 'congratulate on their well -assorted union.—( Hear, hear.)
He now returned to the unliappy condition of their country.
Was it possible it could be happy, in the unsettled state of the
tithe question?—(Loud cries of " hear, hear," from the Op-
position.) He was anxious, and so were the landlords of Ire-

land, for an equitable settlement of that question.—( Hear,
hear.) His only desire was, that justice should be impartially
administered to all. But if night after night parties were to
be dragged before that House, could the angry feeling of par-
ties be allayed ? He did not seek to palliate the crimes to
which all were, perhaps, subject. But if some of the corres-
pondence between Roman Catholics in Ireland were procured,
Hon. Gentlemen at that side would be enabled to judge of the
nature and extent of the persecution that was pi actised. This
country must look to that, and at once. This was no time to
try party tactics.—(" Hear, hear," from the Opposition.) He
was glad to hear that cheer from Honourable Gentlemen, and
he hoped they would put the spirit of what he had said into
practice. The question must now be decided whether they were
to have in Ireland anarchy or any government at all.—( Hear,
hear.) Whether they were to have peace or agitation—secu-
rity for property, or a general scramble.—( Hear.) Safety for
life or liberty-4 Loud cheers from the Opposition), or were to
live in hourly apprehension of assassination at the hand of the
midnight murderer ?—( Cheers.) It had come to that, whe-
ther in Ireland they were to enjoy the natural rights and liber-
ties of British freemen--( Loud cheering from the Opposition,
echoed back by the Ministerial benches.) When he looked at the
Hon. Member for Dublin (Mr. O'Connell), he was reminded
that the heaviest yoke under which his country could fail was
the iron despotism of one single Dictator, who wilfully swayed
to his mischievous purposes a deluded and ignorant multitude.—
( Loud cheers from the Ministerial benches.)
Mr. O'CONNELL said, as the Hon. and Learned Gentle-
man (Mr. Shaw) had named him (Mr. O'Connell) in connec-
tion with what he would describe to be disturbances in Kerry,
he begged to ask him if he were aware that not a single assault
or offence against the law was committed during his (Mr.
O'Connell's) canvass, or since ? If he have not heard of any
assault or offence !ring committed, he requested him to ask
the Hon. Member for Coleraine ( Alderman Copeland) the ex-
tent of outrage committed, on the other hand, by the Orange-
men in that part of Ireland.—( Hear. )
Mr. SHAW—The Hon. and Learned Gentleman has put
a question, which I shall answer, by stating that I did hear of
an offence, and one in which the Hon. and Learned, gentleman
was himself concerned. The Hon. and Learned gentleman I
have been informed, went to the house of a man named

Bourke, in the town of Killarney, to ask 'him not to vote for
the Knight of Kerry. The man refused, and the Hon. and
Learned Gentleman told him a cross should be painted on his
door. Shortly after a party of men attacked Bourke's house,
th,,, door of which they smashed.
Mr. O'CONNELL rose, and advancing towards the centre
of the floor, slid—l declare most solemnly, in the presence of
that GOD who is to judge me, the whole story is totally false.
—( Loud cheering from the Opposition.)
Mr. O'DWYER said the distempered state of Ireland being,
attributable to agitation, was the mere cant of party. To go-
vern Ireland properly and effectively, they should discourage
both parties, and show favour and approbation alone to those
who were the friends of good government.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL said that the Hon. and Learned
Gentleman (Mr. Shaw) had begun his observations by turn-
ing that, an Irish topic, into a train of personal remarks and
invectives, which he would not undertake to say were very sa-
tisfactory to the House. He was one who felt little interest

in personal invectives., and whatever might be the circum-
stances to which the Hon. and Learned Gentleman alluded as
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having occurred in Dublin or elsewhere, he (Lord John Rus-
sell) felt that the tone in which the Hon. and Learned Gen-

tleman addressed the House, was so hostile to all amity and
peace—( Hear, hear)—indicated such violent hatred, such a
total want of charity—( Cheers)—and evinced such a dire spirit
of partizanship-_( Continued cheering)—that he regretted the
Hon. and Learned Gentleman should have been appointed
one of his Majesty's advisers in Privy Council.—( Loud and
continued cheering.) The Hon. and Learned Gentleman
had asked him whether he was about giving his support to
the repeal of the Union ? When that question was discussed
in Parliament, he gave to it every opposition.—( Hear, hear.)
He was ready now, as he had been then, to oppose, by every
means in his power, a repeal of the legislative Union, as tanta-
mount to a separation of the two countries.--( Cheers.) If the
Hon. and Learned Gentleman's memory would take him fur-
ther into the session, he would recollect that after voting
against the repeal of the Union, he declared he could not
satisfactory reconcile that vote to his conscience, unless justice
were done to the complaints of the people of Ireland.—
( Cheers.) Every consideration should be shown to the claims
and petitions of the people of Ireland—they should, in fact,
receive from him as anxious attention as if he were an Irish
Member, and it was only on that ground he could justify to
his conscience the opposition he gave the question of repeal.
—( Hear, hear.) lie also declared, at the time lie spoke
against the repeal of the Union, that on the questions of Irish
tithes and the Irish Church—and he had said so distinctly and
emphatically—that if the forfeiture of office he then had the
honour to hold were to be the consequence, lie woul',l not sit
another day as a Minister of the Crown in that Mouse, unless
the grievances complained of by the people of Ireland were
redressed.—( Cheers.) What, then, did (Lord John Rus-
sell's) conduct amount to? On the one hand, if the lion.
and Learned Gentleman agitate repeal, he, as he had done,
should oppose him. On the other, when just causes of com-
plaint were brought before the House, he would feel it his
duty to give them every support.--( Hear, hear.) He thought,
then, that he should stand acquitted in the eyes of the House
of inconsistency of conduct.--( Hear, hear.) He would al-
lude to a question which was not immediately before the
House, but rather grew out of the motion of the Hon. and
Learned Gentleman. lie (Lord John Russell) entered the
House when the Right Hon. the Chancellor of the Exchequer
was discussing the illegality of the Orange societies. The Right
Hon. Gentleman had said that such societies might be strictly
legal, though their existence, in a constitutional sense, might
not be desirable. To that opinion lie ( Lord John Russell)
subscribed and cordially assented. The language of the Right
Hon. Gentleman in that House was at all times in conformity
with the admirable opinions he that night had given. But
when he ( Lord J. Russell) looked to the construction of the
Right Hon, Gentleman's Government—( Hear, hear)—it was
quite obvious that the conduct of that Government would not
be regulated by what had been said in that House. If tir;
landlords of Ireland see of whom the Government is composed
they will regard little the rounded periods o! Rue speeches,
for they must be convinced that Orang'e societies will be the
objects of that Government's special protection.—( Cheers. )
They had witnessed the result on the instant, in what had
fallen from the Hon. and Gallant Colonel opposite (Colonel
Perceval). Did ho say, after what had fallen from the Chan-
cellor of the Exchequer, that he would withdraw from a so-
ciety so discountenanced ?—( Hear.) On the contrary, the
Hon. and Gallant Colonel dwelt on the necessity of keeping
up a society, that if it be in the strict sense of the law illegal,
was held together by secret bonds. There was also another
point on which the people of Ireland would forya their opi-
nion of the extent of disapproval or protection Orange as-
sociations were likely to receive from the present Admini-
stration. It had been announced in the public papers, that
one of the very appointments which had been contemplated
was that of Lord Roden to his Majesty's Household—
( Hear, hear)-,-,a situation which would have placed the
NR1%,14 Lord immediately in attendance on his Majesty's per-
son, at the opening of Parliament, and on all State occa-
sions. That Noble Lord was the grand master of the Orange-
men of Ireland.—(Cheers.) Could any man believe that this
Government, after contemplating such an appointment as
that, meant to discourage Orange societies in Ireland ?--
( Cheers.) It might be said that the Government were glad
to receive the support of the Orangemen, although they in-
Witled to discourage them. Though they may plead that as
an excuse, they seem in one breath to discountenance them,
while to the people of Ireland, who were the tue..-it concerned,
they plainly appeared to take them into the greatest favour.—
(Hear, hear.) The next question to which he would allude
w4s ono on Which he could refer to the Noble Lord the