The Sun.
London, England, 1835-08-27 00:00:00

TITHE ON TURNIPS.

The Order of the Day for the second reading of this Bill
having been read,
The Duke of RICHMOND said, after the discussion that
had taken place afew nights since, it was unnecessary for him to
trouble their Lordships at any great length. The Bill was
rendered necessary in consequence of the decision of his Noble
and Learned Friend (Lord Lyndhurst) and which decision
he (the Duke of Richmond) was satisfied was founded upon
strictly legal principles. The claim of the clergyman was a
novel one, and was most injurious to the interests of the agricul-
tural classes. It was an attempt to make the land, under that spe-
cies of tillage, pay tithe twice over. If the late decision was en-
forced it would give rise to excitement, clamour, and discontent.
The Noble Lord ( Ashburton) had suggested that it would be
better to wait for the full measure which was about to be
brought forward on the subject of tithes ; but the circum-
stances were of too pressing a nature to admit of delay. It
was on these grounds, believing that in bringing forward the
present measure, and asking the sanction of their Lordships to
the second reading, that he was preventing a great body
of the agriculturists from coming into open collision with
the tithe owners—it was upon these grounds he now begged to
move the second reading of the Bill.
Lord A SHBURTON had looked more attentively into the
case alluded to by the Noble Duke since the late discussion,
and had come to the conclusion that it was one of very great
hardship. He therefore would not oppose the second reading
of the Bill.—( Hear. )
Lord BROUGHAM was exceedingly glad the Noble
Lord did not intend to oppose the Bill. He believed the deci-
sion of his Noble and Learned Friend to be quite a correct one,
and he had no more doubt of its correctness than lie had that
the eldest son of a man was his heir-at-law ; but still the case
was one which loudly called for a remedy by the interposition
of the Legislature, and therefore he should cordially support
the Bill.
The Bill was then read a second time.
TITHES RECOVERY BILL.

The Duke of RICHMOND, in moving the second reading
of the Tithes Recovery Bill, observed that the object of the
Bill was to enable claims for tithes under ten pounds to be
settled before two magistrates. At the same time if per-
sons thought proper to go to the Court of Exchequer,
they might do so. The Noble Duke instanced the case of
the Quakers as an argument in favour of this Bill. In one case
a member of that persuasion was proceeded against, and judg-
ment was given against him, when, instead of execution being
levied upon his property, he was taken into custody. This was
not the only case ; he could mention many others of great
cruelty.
The Earl of ROSSLYN suggested that their Lordships
ought to deliberate upon this question before they passed such a
Bill as this at this season of the year. It is as no easy matter
to settle the modus decimandi.
Lord BROUGHAM agreed with his Noble Friends,
though he contended for the necessity for such a Bill
as this ; and it was not calculated to be injurious to the
church, for as Burke said, it would only take away from the
church the power of being odious. It was an expensive
course to go into the Court of Exchequer, for a
person might. gain a suit twenty times over, but not
get the costs. He allowed that there ought to be some de-
liberation upon this Bill, but he was willing that it should
be forwarded a stage.
The Bill was then fead a second time.
The Marquis of LON ,71 GN DE RR Y rose—
CORPORATION BILL.
The Marquis of L ANSD 0 WNE, before the Noble
Marquis proceeded with his motion, begged leave to
give an explanation regarding the .
understanding of last
night. He had seen in the usual chan.iels of information,
that the arrangement was understood to he, that the dis-
cussion was not to be taken upon the Re::)?rt, but upon
the third reading. Now, as he understood it, ana as the House
understood it, on the bringing up of the Report the discussion
was to be taken, and that no discussion was to take place on
the third reading.
The Duke of WELLINGTON corroborated the state-
ment of the Noble Marquis, and hoped that the third roat.lng
would be taken early on Friday, in order to its being cen.t
down to the other House in good time.
The Earl of WINCHILSEA wished to know whether
any discussion was to take place upon the third reading of the
Bill, or whether it was to be precluded ?
Lord BROUGHAM said most certainly no one was
to be precluded—no one could be precluded from offering
his sentiments in any stage of the Bill; but he supposed
that their Lordships were tired of meeting, and every one
else, he was sure, was tired of them ; therefore he was
not at all surprised that such an arrangement should
have been come to, and he hoped that there would be
no discussion on the third reading, and quite agreed with
the Noble Duke that the Home should meet early on Friday,
in order that the Bill should be sent to the other House in
good time