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London, England, 1835-10-17 00:00:00

IItINTIIVO APPOINTMENTS.

The King's Stag Hounds meet Oil Merida/ at Broomhill Hut ;
Friday, at Ascot Heath, at 11.
Mr. Mure's Hounds on Tuesday at Hicket Heath; Thursday, at
Baleham Wood—at half-past 10. '
The Thanet Harriers meet on Monday at Monkton Sea Mark ;
Wednesday, at Minster Mills ; Friday, at Nash Court Hill—at 10.
The Boroughbridge Harriers meet on Tuesday at. Copt Hewick ;
Friday, at Aldborough—each morning at half-past 10.
The Herefordshire Hounds on Wednesday at Ruckhall Wood;
Saturday, at Bacho Hill—at 10.
The Cheltenham Harriers on Monday at Warden Hill ; Wednes-
day, at Prestbury • Friday, at Stowell Park Wall—at 11.
Mr. Bulkeley r'retwell's Hounds on Monday at Charlton Kings;
Tuesday, at Toddington Park ; Friday, at Lower Swell, near Stow
—at 11.

Theitionmoutlishire Hounds on Monday at Werugoehen ; Thurs-
day, at the King of Prussia.
The Burton Vale Hounds en Mozday, at Sturminster Common.
The Burton Harriors meet an Tuesday at Longbredy Hut.
Mr. Hall's Hounds meet on Tuesday, at Orchard Portman ;
Wednesday, at Dillingt on House; Thursday, at Stoke Wood; Friday,
at hatch Court—at half-past 10.
The Langport Harriers meet on Monday in West Moor, under
Burrow Hill ' Friday, at high Ham. '
Mr. Buiteel's Pox Hounds meet on Tuesday at Jump ;' Friday, at
Slade; Tuesday, the 27th, at Newnham Park—each day, at half-
past 10.
The Devizes Harriers meet on Monday at Baer Furze ; Satur-
day, at Patney Coppice—each day at I:allligit 10.
The Cheshire Hounds on Monday at Marbury Nall ; Wednesday,
at Withington ; Thursday, at the Three Grey Hounds; Satur-
day, at Bartington Heath ; Monday, Oct. 26, at Beeston Hall ;
Wed,iesday, at Abbey-field; Thursday, at, Kinderton Guide Post;
Saturday, at Ashton Hayes—each day at 10.

POST-OFFICE.

REPORT OF THE COMMISSIONERS.
Appendix, No. 6.

EVIDENCE OF HIS GRACE Tilt DUitt or RICHMOND,
THURSDAY, NOV. 6, 1634,

Before the Commissioners endeavour to avail themselves
of your Grace's experience as to any general suggestions of
improvements, will you have the goodness to' state your
opinion with respect to the registration of letters ?—T dis-
approve very much of the proposed registration, it having
failed entirely in Ireland ; and indeed the French Post-
office have stated that they were well aware that it was no
real security, but that they thought in a certain degree it
was a moral cheek: I object to a nominal check ; indeed
the French post-office regulations with respect to registry
would not, in my opinion, be expedient in this country.
Their post-office is
.liable to the extent of .50 francs, or 21.,
as letters containing coin are excluded. from registry ; 21.,
which is.not the half of the lowest note in circulation in
this country, could only be recovered. The system of re-.
gistry would be worse than useless ; it holds out encourage-
raent todepredation, by pointing out which are the valuable
letters. This is not the case with money letters here, which
are only those containing coin ; they are registered by a
particular clerk, and put into a cover and sent to the post-
master, and we get a receipt ; but I do not see how it
would be possible to give a receipt to every person who
might ivishto register a letter as proposed.. The French
give a receipt for every letter the writer wishes to register,
and for which they charge a double rate of postage ; I
think this is wrong in principle, that it is wrong to make..
the poor man•pay more, and to give.him what in fact is no
security at all: The rich merchant might afford to pay a
double postage, hut it is a great object to the poor man, for
he cannot afford in these days to have the charges of busi-
ness increased:• .•'

Your GrnCe is aware -it •is perfectly optional ?
Yes, but if you put a postage heavy enough to make it in-
convenient to many persons, it is an act ofinjustice to those
who ought to have the same "security without paying ; if
you put so light a postage as to induce every one to re-
gister, it would then be impracticable ; for supposing
10,000 Jetters to be registered in London, how would it be
possible to give receipts, 'showing the direction and address of
the party, the complete adlress, or else it is of no use at
all ? Therefore it appearS to me that you would not be able
in the inland or the foreign departments to do it at all with-

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out detaining The mails; and without an incalculable increase
of the number of clerks-, for there is very little time now for
sorting the letters. Then if it is done at the General Post-
office, it must also be done at the branch offices in the city,
which have more letters than .any other; in the Borough,
in Vere-street, and at Charing-cross ; it would be required
also at every receiving-house, and it ti:ust be done also in the
country. Besides the receipts to the senjer, it must be re-
collected that corresponding receipts must also be taken from
the persons to whom the letters are addressed, ps a dis-
charge to the post-office, which would retard both despotch
and delivery every where for hours.
In France it is confined to Paris ?—Then I should ob-
ject to it in principle more than anything in the world. I
cannot see why the merchant in London is to be put on a
better footing as to security, than a merchant residing in
matiel,ester, Liverpool, Glasgow, and all the other great
commercial zianufacturing towns. The great principle of
the English post-officd 2s• and always should be, to give a
like security to all, that the poor man's letter should be as
much taken care of as that of the ::chest man in the coun-
try. I believe one of the great reasons c"hy some persons
asked for a receipt is one which ought not to be recognized
officially, namely, to satisfy themselves rthat the persons
whom they have employed to take their' letters to a post-
office have performed their duty, and have actually put the
letters into the post-office. My opinion is, that they ought
only to employ persons to do this in whom they have con-
fidence, for surely letters containing large remittances
should not be intrusted to persons who may not be enabled
to resist. the temptation of converting the contents to their

own uses.
Is not the system of the Post-office contrary to the opi-
nion your Grace has expressed ?—Decide&y not.
In point of fact, does not the Post-office reg;,,ter the let-
ters of merchants on the payment of a large sum ?—Yes,
and in the foreign-office ; that is the exception to the g'n-
neral rule; and if I had had the question to consider for the
first time, I should have paused before I consented to it.
If I am asked why I did not do it away, my answer would
be, that I found it had been the practice from time imme-
morial ; that it was approved of by the Commissioners of
the Revenue Inquiry in 1788, and the fee, in consequence
of their recommendation, was, under the new establish-
ment, to be eventually brought. to the credit of the public,
instead of being, as it was at that time, given as a fee to
the clerks. The receipt from the Post-office states that it
is not answerable ; they are very few in number, perhaps 20
1 in ~,,':uarter, and I believe they are registered, not perhaps
so nitzt,h for security as to enable the party to effect his in-
surance at tx cb e:.iper rate. I believe that the majority of
these letters cnutain poupons, diamonds. A merchant goes
to an insurance otriC „ ant produces this receipt, which is a
proof that the letter has bet.:l Put into the post. I con-
ceive that very circumstance of pt:!ting the enormous fee of
one guinea upon them is to prevent 2f., person doing it ex-
cept in cases of very large value, and to pr,:,ent its coming
into general practice, which would make it impos*.ble to de-
spata the mails in time.
If you find even 20 persons are willing, at the enormous.
price of a guinea, to accept such a receipt without any
responsibility, does not it follow that many would be will-
ing to do it at a smaller price ?—No ; for it depends upon
the value of the parcel. I suppose that every man who
has diamonds to send from London to Frankfort feels it
worth his while to pay that guinea, but I do not believe
that a person in London would think it worth his while,
if you told him that it was no additional security, to pay 'a
shilling more for a letter going from hence to Leeds. I
began by taking the words of the French themselves, that
it is no real security, but only moral ; my idea of moral
security is to take care that the persons in the post-office
are men of good character when brought in, and that they
are well Molted after.
If it is no security, how does your Grace account for the
extremely pertinent fact of the insurance being taken on
better terms, even when in fact there was no responsibility?
—lt is a security to the insurance-office that the letter has
been put into the post. A man would not insure a letter,
going from hence to Leeds for instance ; for if he only wants
to be certain that it was put into the post, he takes care to
put it in himself, or to intrust it to some one in whom lie has
'confidence ; but the object as to these valuable packages
going abroad, is to satisfy the insurance-offices, or the
sender's correspondent, that the letter has been put into
the post-office.
Setting aside the principle of justice, do you not consider
that the allowing such a registry might be a very probable
means of increasing the revenue ?—I think that more post-
age might be drawn from the pockets of the people, but
that it would be of no advantage to the revenue, for that
the expenditure of the department must be very greatly
increased, and that on that ground it would be very objec-
tionable.
You state as one of your objections, that it would be in-
volving a liability which does not now exist ?—The Post-
office is decidedly not liable, and ought not to Lc liable, in
.my opinion.
The present form of the receipt, you conceive, frees the
Post-office from any liability ?—I do.
Supposing it was found by experience that there was a
great demand on the part of England, for the registering
letters at a small expense, without attaching liability to the
office, would that remove the objection you stated, on the
score of justice ?—Most decidedly not ; for I should think
it wrong to be a party to that which would only be a delu-
sion, in inducing the Inblic to pay a high rate of postage,
upon the plea of security, wLen I must know that it could
not be real, but only what the French call moral security.
Would it not help the tracing of a letter ?=—ln my
opinion it could not ; I think it would leaa the office often
wrong.

GREAT CONSERVATIVE FESTIVAI4•

On Thurjay evening last the third anniversary of the
South Lancashire Cctiservative Association was celebrated
by a grand dinner, in the ,2ew and splendid Hall of the
Association, at Newton, a borough Pn the line of the rail-
way half-way between Manchester anti Liverpool, and a
centre of communication for a great number of populous
towns in the immediate neighbourhood. The Association,
as we understand, owes its origin principally to the exer-
tions of Mr. Hulton of Hulton, and of Mr. Entwisle, M.P.,
and at its commencement mustered scarcely a dozen mem-
bers : it has now upwards of 2,000. At the first anMyer-
sary 200 members dined together, last year 600, and this
year within two or three of 1000, each of whom paid a
guinea for his ticket. The dinner took place in the New
Conservative Hall, built for that purpose by the Associa-
thin, and attached to the Legh Arms Hotel at Newton.
Amongst the more distinguished individuals present were
Lord F. Egerton, M.P ; Lord Skelmersdale. the Earl of
Wilton, Sir E. Barnes' Lord Cole, M.P.; Sir R. Brooke,
Captain Brooke, Sir H. Mainwaring, Bart. ; 'l'. Pemberton,
Esq., M. P. ; the Hon. R. B. Wilbraham, M.P. ; Sir J. G.
Clerard. Bart. ; W. Hulton, Esq. ; J. Entwisle, Esq., Al. P,;
J. H. Keartley, Esq., M.P.; J. Blackburne, Esq., M.P. ;
the Rev. .1. Blackbarne, W. T. Egerton, Esq., M.P. ; J.
Roby, Esq. Dearden, Esq, ; and a large number of the
principal landed p<wietors, gentry, and merchants of the
tt,:7113. A most excellent
county and neighbourinz band was
provided for the occasion, and trk: glee singing did justice to
the well-earned reputation of this di*Stri,...t•
Lord F. EGERTON took the Chair. The toasts were
given out to the sound of trumpet.
After the usual loyal toasts, the CHAIRMAN gave "I.lr
Army and Navy," coupling with it " The health of General
Sir E. Barnes?' (Drunk with three times three.)
Sir E. BARNES rose to return thanks. As a body, the
army did not enter into politics ; but they could not sup-
pose the army to be
.so dull, so stupid, so indifferent, as not
regard with the greatest pleasure such a meeting its this,
because it afforded the best security to the soldier that he
would not be called upon to aid the civil Magistrate in
any efforts for the maintenance of public peace, or the
preservation of the religious and political institutions of the
country ; but, on the contrary, their own influence and
power would be sufficient for the accomplishment of those
great objects. He had taken some pains in assisting in
the formation of Conservative associations. Any man
who should attempt to reconcile all parties in politics
would attempt that which was impossible—of the man,
the boy, and the ass, lie would most resemble the lat-
ter. Still there tvas one great object in politics, at which
all honest men might meet—one object to promote which
all might consolidate their efforts— viz., to keep down
the Radicals—(Laughter and cheers.) They (the Radi-
cals) were all actively at work. Some would pull down
the Throne, others the Church, and others destroy the
House of Lords. They did not all say so openly. It was
true they cloaked and veiled their intentions so as to keep
v'ithiii the law. The first class say " let us have cheap!
Govermnent." Now, what did ,this mean in point of fact
but " let us have a Republic ?" Cheap Government ?
Why, he recollected well when the late orator Hunt said
he: would undertake. to do the duty of a King for 5001. a
ye ay. Let him, however, speak with the utmost respect of
thy 4 late gentleman, not merely on the principle of de mar-
tuis )lil nisi bonum, but because he, before his death, repented
Of ] us wicked errors, and became a good Conservative. He!
sitic:,.ll() would do King for 500/. a-year—(A iaugh)—hut!
reigil would have been 4t short.6ne, for some one else

would soon have undertaken to do Rhin. for half that sum,.
and nen: the sceptre would have been putc' up to auction and
somebody would haw; bought it. But do not, however, let
it be seriously suppose:l that the Conservatives are inimical
to cheap government in the sense of a wise and prudent
economy. What they objected 1.0 was, that wilch in
vulgar language was called " cheap and nasty."—(Boars
of laughter.) What the Conservatives sought to esta-
blish was a government which should be r3sneeted at borne,
and if not feared, at least held in reverential awe, abroad-
(Cheers.) There was another species of radicaiswho wanted
to put down the church. They did not indeed say directly
" Let us abolish the Church Bill ;" they said " Let us pay no
tithes." Well, then, if they would not pay the Clergy, what
was to become of them ? They might as well at once pull
down the Church, and this was in truth what they meant and
wished. Another set were yelping at the doors of the House
of Lords—some were for pulling: it down altogetht:r. others
for giving it a little washing by iprning a river into it.—
(Laughter.) Others went more ins.idiously to work, and
proposed merely to abolish the hereditar3, Peerage and de-
stroy the first link in the Monarchy.—(Hear, hear.) But
oh, how differently would they behave could the case be
made their own. What an exhibition it was to see one of
these braggarts—to see the greatest babbler of them all—
invited to take his seat in the House which he now at-

:'mpted to destroy. Behold (said the Gallant General) how
crins-ir7....r and fawning he is. He seems ready to lick even
your very
At present, with mock mockery, he seats
himself behind throne ; and, like Halley's comet at pre-
sent, is only faintly s,; en, without his tail.—(Roars of laugh-
ter.) Only wait a white, a little while, and see how he
will come forth and put on tiZe Noble Lord with as much
arrogance as if " all the noble blood of all the Howards"
was running in his veins. Stii: this stops not the cry
against the Peers-still there is a yelping and knocking at
the door. Well, then, this new Noble Lord goes to the
door and says, " Gentlemen, it is all a mistake, I find that
this Augean stable is perfectly clean ; the ,Mouse, so far
from being rotten, is a beautiful one ; it wants nothing but
a few more Corinthian columns (of brass, of coarse) like
myself. Walk in, therefore, Gentlemen, if you please, and
take your respective places. The thing will then be corn-
plete—the tale will not only be told but unfolded.—(Roars
of laughter.) Then, Gentlemen, only hear how altered his
tone ; instead of decrying the House of Lords as useless
he would depict it as one of the wisest institutions of our
ancestors to allay the effervescence of parties in the Lower
House, and to be the just mediators between t::e people and
the '1 hronc.—( Hear.) Such would be the state of things
were such persons admitted into the House of Lords ; but
he would say, may all the curses that ever fell on poor Oba-
(;ioi's. head light on the Minister who ever introduces such
filth it:to that House.—,Theers.)
The No.!:!e CHAIRMAN then said—l rise to propose a.
toast, which I on the present occasion, incumbent on
me to preface with o few observations. Many, Gentlemen,
I trust all of us, endelavour to do good in our separate
stations. Much good mad' be effected by individual exer-
tionsp.mtlernan not of the clerical
; but let me ask any
profession, be his talents and al;.ities what they may, and
however great his exertions, as a fr:qnd, a neighbour, or a
Magistrate, whether he has ever in tt2e course even of a
long and active life been able to compete in extent of use-
fulness with the exertions of his honoura.'le rival in the
clerical profession, whether he has been enabled to disse-
minate counsel, comfort, and eonsolation, to the same extent
among his poorer neighbours ?—(Hear.) Whatever our
exertions, Gentlemen, I believe that, if we cast up accounts
fairly, in the comparison with that most useful and abused
body of men, we shall be found but unprofitable servants.
Gentlemen, on this topic I will say no more than that those

. .
I are the men whom you are called upon to despoil—this is
the institution whose ruin, by the introduction of the
,::,luntary principle, you are called upon to.effect.—(Hear,
hear. When I say ruin I speak merely of the temporali-
asorldly ruin and desolation our Church will'
ties of ti
•is Church—of other ruin I do not speak ; for, int
the midst of.
ond the reach of human hands to do it
yet Survive far be,"
injury.—(Loud chee,:s) Let its enemies do what they
can ; it is based on the f.qck of ages, and they can never
beat it down—its temporal Olin they may indeed effect—
this it is they aim at ; and of tat ruin you are called upon
to bes, if not active assistants, at le.l.st willing and consenting
spectators.—(Hear, hear.) Gentlen:Wn I give you " The
Established Church of England and ' Ireland."—(Drank
with tremendous applause.)
The Rev. W. PARKINSON returned thanks. There were
many points on which Conservatives might differ without di-
viding. Some had particular views with refereeNe to the
corn laws—some were more particularly interested in the
commercial, manufacturing, and trading interests of the
country ; but all, however they might differ on these points,
all would unite in defending the Irish Church from spolia.
tion and destruction.—(Hear.) Quite certain it was that
their opponents were united on this point, and no other. It
was assumed that the Church in Ireland stood on a diffe-
rent footing to the Church of England, and that the argu-
ments which bore upon the one did not affect the other.
Now, he maintained that, if they left the high ground of
duty and right, and argued tic question of the two Esta-
blishments on the principle of 6.xpediency alone, the Es;a-
blishment in Ireland stood on tenfold better ground
than that in England. The latter was well established
in the hearts of the people, its diseiOes were numerous
and wealthy, and he 'believed that if ts.e English Church
Establishment were to be dissolved to-morrotsa its Minis-
ters would be as aderpiately provided for, And its follow-
ers as numerous, and perhaps more zealous, than ever.—
(Hear, hear.) But could the same be said of the Esta-
blished Church in Ireland? How, in that country were
2,000 Ministers of the Gospel to be supported, sheer amongst
wolves, light amidst darkness, gentlemen amongst stavages.
---(Hear.) Pull down the Established Church in Leland,
and you destroy Protestantism in Ireland. Never must it
be forgotten, that it was the battle of the English Church
which was now to be fought upon Irish ground.—(Hear,
hear.) Another reason, if reason it could be called, was:
this. A discovery had been made, for discoveries were now
made in morality as well as in railroads, that it was not
necessary for a statesman, in inquiring what should be the
Established Church of any country, to institute any investi-
gation into the truth and purity of its religious doctrines ;
but he had only to consult the census, to ascertain what
"Church had the numerical majority of members, in any par-
ticular district, and the g. eat question was at once solved.—
(Hear, hear.) Now, if this argument were worth anything,
suppose the whole of the wild Irish turned Turks to-mor-
,•ew : lie supposed we should see Lord John Rusaell and
Jr. O'Connell issuing forth from the Saracen's Head, cross-
ing the Channel, with turbans on their heads and scimetars
in their hands; and exclaiming, as Bonaparte of old before
them, " There is no God but God, and Mahomet is his
prophet."—(Laughter.)
" The Lord Lieutenant of the County, the Earl of
Derby."
The Noble CHAIRMAN said—Gentleolen, the toast I
have to propose is, " Success to this Institntion." Of the
end and object of this institution I deem it unnecessary to
speak. . This.much is certain, that a systematic plan seems
to be now at. work, the object of which is to fluniliarini and
dsbanch the pubhc mind, and so prepare the wad'-for the
extirpation of .every seed of lot:, attachment which exists
our ancient -and .valuelintitutions—to. debacch it
fi em an attachment to those privileges and liberties IV•Neli
we have inherited from our ancestors, a..,rt to familiarize it
with changes which, but a :'eu'
.short yeari tz,go, 'Would 'have
been considered as the contemplations of insanity or the
ravings, of a diseased imagination.--(Cheers.) Ask me,
gentlemen, for the proof of this, and I would show you, if
I had it here, the list of the motions—the bill of dire pre-
pared for the amusement and delectation of the i.l.ouse of
Commons when it next meets. Amongst these motions is
the invasion of almost every part of our social system, the
destruction by various means of the Church and the House
of Peers, diffejog in degree and shape, but all tending to
the same pltieet—the introduction of every foreign quackery
and custom—ehanges in our law of property, and a long
list of other innovations, which I alike want the time to
detail to you, and you the Patience to listen to. The ques-
,;:rm is, is this system .to be carried on unopposed? Are
" i„-) he assailed, and not stand upon our defence ?
( Hear, ;L;ar.) And how are we to conduct our defence ?
Are we to look to the prerogative of a limited Mo-
narch or to the et7prts and courage of him who sits upon
the Throne ? Genticnen, as we alp know, the abstract
theory of the Constitution tells us tliat in a limited
mom but we havetrehy the King can do no wrong ;•
learnt from recent experience a sterner le;:son, namely,
that the King can do no right if the scirit of evil
preponderates for a moment by adventitious ' aid in
the mass on which the Throne is based.—(Hear, )tear.)
Well, then, Gentlemen, are we to look to the • House of
Lords ? If the wisdom, the virtue, the courage, and the
fidelity of others could avail us, then, I believ.c, we might
.with safety repose upon the House of Peers. But Gen-
tlemen, the fact is, and it. is useless to deny it, the .House of
Peers must look to us for its own existence.—(Henn.) We
are the Commons of England, and in the House wl.iLli re-
presents that body we must seek to make our feelings, our
opinions; and our attachments, and we are ashamed of none
'of them, fully represented.—(Hear.) Perhaps one of the'
greatest men this country ever produced in discussions of
philosophy, as quoted by a worthy descendant and student,
in a work well worthy the attention of every Gentleman
here present, I mean the " Life of Sir James Mackintosh,"
says, " In this theatre of life God and angels alone arc per-
mitted to be lookers 'on." If ever there was a time winch
more than . another il:ustrated the truth of this 'maxim
that time is the present. lf, indeed, the contest
now ragin, was one such as the history 'of this
country and of all civilized States has at times
presented, I should, I am apprehensive, have consulted my
domestic habits, have usurped the prerogative of the angei,
and -have. become a looker on.—(A laugh.) • Under present
eircovtauees, 'I fear, such .a course, i, tleuied to toce4r,
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