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CEMETERY BILL.

The Earl of SUFFOLK postponed the third reading of
this Bill till Tuesday next.

IRISH EDUCATION.

The Earl of RODEN presented several petitions from
Ayr and other places against the Irish system of education.

FORGERY.

The Earl of RODEN presented several petitions from
Ireland against the punishment of death for forgery.
STATE OF IRELAND.

The LORD CHANCELLOR, seeing a Noble Earl
(Riden) in his place, would take that opportunity of re-
questing him to postpone the motion on the state of Ire-
land, of which he had given notice for Friday, until Mon-
day week. It was very desirable that the Lord Chancellor
of Ireland should be present on the occasion, both on ac-
count of his connexion with that country, and because it
was most likely that the conduct of his Noble and Learned
Friend would be animadverted on in the course of the de-
bate ; at least such had been the case in former instances ;
and though the Noble Earl might reply, that it was not
his intention to make any remarks on his Noble and
Learned Friend, the Noble Earl, of course, could not an-
swer for the course that other Noble Lords might think
proper to pursue. The last Seal in Ireland was fixed for
-Monday ; and as it was, therefore, impossible that his
Noble and Learned Friend could reach London before the
Friday or the Saturday, he begged to suggest to the Noble
Earl the propriety of postponing his motion till next Mon-
day weer.
The Earl of RODEN had given a fortnight's notice of
his intention ; and he, therefore, thought it unreasonable
that he should now be asked to postpone it. The state of
Ireland was daily getting worse ; and be therefore thought
that not a single hour ought to be lost. Neither did he
understand why the absence of the Lord Chancellor of
Ireland was a reason for this postponement. He had
always understood that the Secretary of State for the
Home Del artment was the proper person to whom to
refer on any subject connected with Ireland ; and there-
fore, notwithstanding the courtesy of the manner in which
the Noble and Learned Lord had put the request to him,
be did not think that he should be discharging his duty
to the Protestants of Ireland if he consented to the post-
ponement of the subject. Besides, it was not at all his
intention to allude to the Lord Chancellor of Ireland ; he
meant merely to move an address to the Throne, praying
his Majesty to take such measures as the emergency of the
case required ; and when the question came before the
House, be thought that he should be able to show by do-
cuments how important it was that there should not be a
moment's delay.
Lord Viscount MELBOURNE was aware that the du-
ties of his office required him to be acquainted with the
condition of Ireland ; but nevertheless there were some
things which peculiarly appertained to the office of
ti e Lord Chancellor, and with which his Noble
and Learned Friend was therefore more connected than
himself. The Noble Earl had said be intended to move
for an address to the Crown : now such an address would
be directly implying a distrust of the Government ; and
as his Noble and Learned Friend was so shortly expected in
London, he would put it to the Noble Earl whether it
would not he better to postpone his motion. If this was
a struggle for victory, instead of an inquiry into the truth
he could understand why the Noble Earl thought it better
to introduce the question in the absence of his Noble and
Learned Friend ; but surely i❑ such a case as this, mo-
tions of that sort were entirely out of the question ; and
he would, therefore, put it to the Noble Earl, whether it
would not be more for the dignity of the House and for
the benefit of Ireland that the motion should be put off, as
priiposed by his Noble and Learned Friend.
The Earl of RODEN—After the insinuation which
had been thrown out, it was quite impossible for him to
consent to the postponement of the motion.—(A laugh.)
lie had given a fortnight's notice of it, and he thought
that that was ample time for the Noble Viscount to have
made the necessary inquiries from the Noble and Learned
Lord.

-The LORD CHANCELLOR—The Noble Earl has
not rightly understood the ground on which I urged my re-
quest—a request which I certainly shall not again repeat,
seeing the spirit in which he has been pleased to receive
it. I urged the postponement on the ground of common ,
fairness and justice tots ards my Noble and Learned Friend,
whose conduct, I am morally certain, would be attacked
in the debate ; and the Noble Earl is quite mistaken if be
thinks that I desire the presence of my Noble and Learned
Friend, either because I am shrinking from the responsi-
bility, or because I wish to have a sharer in it.
Lord ELLENBOROUGH did not see any thing in the
absence of Lord Plunkett to justify his Noble Friend in
postponing the debate. The Noble Secretary of State for
the Home Department was irresent, and he was responsi-
ble for the affairs of Ireland. Besides, if the reason given
Iry the Lord Chancellor was good for anything, why had
he not made the request at an earlier period? If, indeed,
the request had been put on the ground that Ireland was
in such a state as to render it dangerous to dicuss the
matter at the present season, he might then have been in-
duced to join in the request made to his Noble Friend of
postponement; but the absence of the Lord Chancellor
of Ireland be could not admit as a reason.
Earl GREY—His Noble and Learned Friend and him-
self had not been aware till yesterday that the Lord Chan-
cellor of Ireland could not he in his place in Parliament
till the end of next week, as it depended on the day fixed
for the last Seal. With respect to the necessity of the
measure of his Noble and Learned Friend, it should be re-
membered that there would probably be reference made to
the removal of certain Magistrates or the appointment of
others, anti that was a matter that came peculiarly within
the province of the Lord Chancellor ; it was therefore
but fair that the debate should be postponed till his Noble
and Learned Friend was able to attend. lie could assure
the Noble Earl, that it was not from any fear on the part
of the Ministers of not being able to justify themselves that
this delay was asked fur; but merely that fairness might
be shown towards his Noble and Learned Friend. He
was ready to admit that the present state of Ireland was a
painful one ; but he did tltrt think that the postponement
of the Noble Earl's motion for a few days would make any
difference; and he was also happy to have it i❑ his power
to state, that in the last instance is which the power of
the Government had been exerted, it had been attended
with complete effect.
The Earl of RODEN was placed in so painful a situation,
that he would rather submit to the request of the Noble Earl
than evince any further opposition, lest it might be sup-
posed to be captious.—(Hear, hear.) He certainly was
afraid that difficulty and inconvenience might arise from
the delay ; but at the same time be was desirous not to do
any thing that might make either himself or his cause
appear obtrusive in the eyes of their Lordships.—
(Hear, hear.)
After a tew words from the LORD CHANCELLOR and
Marquess of CAMDEN, Monday week was fixed fur the
motion.
The Earl of lIODEN—In fixing Monday week, I trust
that in my previous opposition to the postponement I have
not appeared very perverse; fur I can assure your Lord-
ships that I was only actuated by a strong sense of duty.
—(Hear, hear.)
CRIMINAL LAW.
Lord Viscount GODERICH presented petitions from
Selby, and another place, praying for a revision of the
Criminal Code.—Adjourned.