The Sun.
London, England, 1835-08-11 00:00:00

SIIIPPING.-(THIS DAY.)

FROM LLOYD'S.
DEAL, AUG. 10.—Wind S. S. W., variable.—Arrived from the
River, and sailed the Rival, Stone, for Boston ; William Fawcett,
Brooks, for Lisbon ; Shannon (steamer), Mills, for Dublin; Glas-
gow, Grq, for Quebec ; Everthorpe, Campbell, for Quebec ; and
Jupiter, Dawson, for Portsmouth. Sailed the Limmer, Theaker, for
Stockholm.

PORTSMOUTH, AUG. 10.—Wind S.E., fine.
FA LNIOUTII, AUG. 9.—Wind E., fresh breezes, and fine.—Ar-
rived the Tobago, flapper, from Miramichi.
POST-OFFICE: NOTlCE.—Letters for Lisbon will be in time on
the 13th inst., and the packet being delivered.
POOLE, AUG. 10.—Arrived the Union, Lockyer, from New-
foundland.
BRIDGEWATER, Am'.. 9.—Arrived the Thomas Ritchie, Thrift,
from Quebec.
BRISTOL, AUG. 10.—Arrived the Charles, Thomas, from St.
Kitt's : and Anne, —, from St. John's, New Brunswick.
Liv Eit POOL, A uc. 9.—Arrived the Caroline, Parnell, from
Newfoundland. Off port the Phoenix, —, from Antigua ; and
Camoens, from Oporto.
WHITEII AYES, AUG. 9.—Arrived the Cumberland, Pew, from
Jamaica ; and Gem, Coulthard, from Quebec.
CLYDE, AUG. B.—Arrived the Lady Campbell, Simpson, and
Richmond, Hay, from Bay Chaleur.
BELFAST, AUG. B.—Arrived the Alice, Thompson, and Iris,
Cuddy, from London ; Juno, Patterson, from Alicant ; Betsey,
John, from Oporto; Cheviot, Smith, Headley, Mars, Collins, Smart,
and Eleanor, Dins.l,l,,n, Qilrtp.
DROGHEDA, Ar o. B.—Arrived the Thomas Carty, Kelly, and
Balwar, Gun, from Quebec.
LARNE, AUG. 9.—Arrived the Vulture, Wilson, from Quebec.
SUNDERLAND, AuG. B.—Arrived the Anacreon, Petrie, from
Quebec.

The Amity, -, from Quebec, is off Aberdeen, after being on
shore.

THE FUNDS.-(THIS DAY.)

CITY, TWELVE O'CLOCK.
Both the British and Foreign Funds, which left off yesterday
very heavy, have opened with the same appearance this morning,
indeed, the prospects on the Continent at present have not a bright
appearance. In France, the newly-invented lettres-de-cachet of
Louis Philippe will not be of long duration. Two French Kings
have already lost their thrones for similar offensive measures towards
the people ; therefore we are well persuaded that the King of the
French at present is not sleeping on a bed of roses.
Consols, which left off yesterday at ssa for the Account, opened
this morning at 89k with little or nothing doing.
Omnium may be quoted at 2i premium ; Exchequer Bills, 21
23 ; India Bonds, 6 8 ; India Stock, 2541 5 ; Bank Stock,
2141 15.
The Foreign Market is somewhat agitated by the news from
Spain. Spanish, which closed at 48A done at 47k 48. Spanish
Scrip left off at 114 * discount ; at present they are 12 11i dis-
count. Portuguese opened as they left off, 89} ; Three per
Cents., 57} ; Dutch Two and a Half, Mi.
HALF-PAST ONE.

We have seen letters from St. Sebastian to the 6th inst. They
state that the greatest harmony prevails between the inhabitants of
that town and the British troops. The officers, who are quartered
with the best inhabitants, are constantly invited to their tables.
It is stated that the Carlists have of late adopted a new system of
punishment to their prisoners; they cut off a part of their nose and
lip, and send them adrift.
A re-action has taken place in Consols since the morning ; they
have improved from 89ii ato 894 but at present may be quoted
894 for the Account. Exchequer Bills 23 24 ; India Bonds 68;
Bank Stock 214 215. _ _

The following are the prices of the Foreign Securities :—Spanish
Bonds 48i ; Spanish Scrip 12 dis. ; Portuguese Bonds 89i ;
Three per Cents. 57i ; Dutch 2i, 54i ; Five per Cents. 1001;
Colombian 33} ; Mexican 34 35.
THREE O'CLOCK.
Consols for the Account, 891

CORPORATION IIIiFORM. The petition pre-
sented last night in favour of this measure, from Stockport, by
Lord Melbourne, was signed by 5,092 inhabitants of that town,
of whom nearly a thousand were 10/. householders, in the
course of one day ( Saturday). Stockport is one of the Cor-
poration boroughs, and in spite of the old Tory faction in the
town, whose number may be about 70 out of 40,000, had
the petition remained another day, it would have had double
double the number of its present signatures.

Preston was to meet on Saturday, and the May or
of that town having refused the use of the Corn Exchange,
the meeting would be held in Chadwick's orchard.
CARLOW ELECTION COMMITTEE.—This Com-
mittee proceeded with the scrutiny yesterday. After much
evidence had been given, and after considerable discussion had
taken place, three votes were struck off the sitting Member's
majority. One vote, however, that bad been objected to was
allowed by the Committee. This looks as if the petitioners
were beginning to feel some difficulty
majority of 57 obtained by the sitting Member is now reduced
to 43.

LIMERICK, Auc. 6.—Lord Mulgrave made his
public entry into this city yesterday evening, at five o'clock.
Early in the day vast concourses of people ware to be seen
moving through the streets. The Trades, with their flags and
banners, assembled about two o'clock, and, after some slight
diErence as to which trade should take the lead, they started
to meet his Excellency. The shops were all closed, and the
military, lined along the streets, presented a novel appearance
to our good folk. A party of the 15th Hussars left at an early
hour to form an escort to the Viceroy, and the 18th Royal
Irish as a Guard of Honour. The number of private car-
riages in the procession I calculated at about 30 ; the horsemen
were numerous. The crowds were never exceeded in the re-
collection of the oldest present, on any former procession. In
the evening his Excellency was entertained by near 200 of the
citizens at the Commercial-buildings. When his health was
proposed, he spoke rather briefly, but did not allude to any
political topic, and hoped that his auditory would consider his
motives in not doing so.

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

THIS DAY, TUESDAY, Auca. 13.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.
The SritAnts took the chair at 12 o'clock.

MALPAS'S DIVORCE BILL.
On the motion of Mr. TOOKE, this Bill was read a second
time.

EARL WILTON'S ESTATE BILL.
On the motion of Mr. J. BENNETT, this Bill was read a se-
cond time.

DORKING IMPROVEMENT BILL.

Sir J. Y. BULLER brought up the Report of the Committee
on this Bill.

PUBLIC CARRIAGES (METROPOLIS) BILL.
On the motion of Mr. Alderman WOOD, the House resolved
itself into a Committee of the whole House upon this Bill—the
Lord Advocate in the chair.

The several clauses down to clause 7 were agreed to.
On clause 8 being put from the chair,
Sir S. W HALLEY proposed that the expense of watermen's
licenses should not exceed half-a-crown—(the quarter we suppose. )
The clause as amended was agreed to, as were the following
clauses down to 14 inclusive, without amendment.
Clauses 15 and 16 were agreed to with some verbal amendments.
On clause 17 being read,
Mr. WAKLEY wished to know why tickets were to be given
to the drivers when the object was to fix the proprietors.
Mr. Alderman WOOD said that the drivers could now give a
false name, but by the course to be adopted by the Act he could not.
Mr. WA KLEY could not see why the coachmen of private
parties should not be compelled to have tickets as well as the con-
ductors of omnibuses and the drivers of cabs. He had had frequent
occasion to go through the west-end at night, and he could assure
the House that he had met with more incivility from them than
ever he had received from the drivers of public carriages.—( Cheers. )
Dr. BOWRING thought that there was much truth in the
statement of the Hon. Member for Finsbury.
Mr. Alderman WOOD said, if the Hon. Member would bring
in a bill to affect gentlemen's coachmen, he would go along with
them. But he dal not see why this Bill should be lost by the
insertion of such a clause.

Mr. WAKI.EY did not see why he should bring in a Bill upon
the subject, when his object might be attained in the worthy Al-
derman's bill by a single stroke of the pen. On the bringing up
of the report it was his intention to move the insertion of such a
clause, and if it was thrown out in another place it would be no
fault of his. If the bill should be thrown out in the present Ses-
sion, he would bring forward a bill upon the subject early in
the next.

Mr. WILKS thought it unnecessary to impose penalties upon
the servants of gentlemen, as their masters were responsible.
Mr. 'WARBURTON observed that the Committee, which had
sat three years ago upon the subject, had, after considerable delibe-
ration as to whether the responsibility should be upon the owners
or drivers, come to the conclusion that it would be most judicious,
and best meet the justice of the case, to throw the responsibility on
the owners.

Mr. WILKS—Bv the present Bill the driver was responsible as
well as the owner.
The clause, as amended, was then ordered to stand tart of the Bill.
Clauses 18, 19, 20, and 21 were, after some verbal amendments,
agreed to.

On clause 22, which imposes a penalty on drivers wearing tickets
after being defaced or recalled, being real,
Colonel SIBTHORP expressed a hope that the penalties in all
cases would be high, and it was his intention to move, on the bring-
ing up of the Report, an amendment making the penalty ten times
what it was. The insolence of the drivers of these vehicles was un-
paralleled, and transportation was the punishment that ought to be
inflicted upon some of them.
Mr. WARBURTON would ask the Hon. arid Gallant Member
what the rule ought to be for gentleman drivers, if transportation
was the punishment for these persons ?—( Hear, and a laugh.) He
(Mr. Warburton) would propose on the third reading of the Bill
an amendment, imposing a penalty upon gentlemen drivers.—
(Hear.) Here was a Bill with not less than 80 clauses, and how
was it possible that the public could know what the law was on such
a case.—( Hear, hear.) Really the worthy Alderman had descended
to such microscopic accuracy that it defeated its own object. When
the worthy Alderman gets any subject into his legislative microscope
he fancies that those hairs which appear to all the rest of the world
as down, are nothing less than enormous claws. Such was the
power of his Oxy-Hydcogen Microscope. His (Mr. W.'s) object
was to get rid of this Bill allogeiher.—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. Alderman WOOD said this was really very agreeable.—
(Laughter.) He had on a former occasion introduced a Bill giv-
ing a power to the Court of Aldermen to make bye-laws for the
regulation of these public carriages, which contained only three
clauses, and it was objected to by lion. Members, who asked,
would he give so extraordinary a power to the Court of Aldermen.
If Hon. Members only were aware of the number of accidents daily
taking place from the ferocity of these drivers, they would not
treat the matter so lightly. lie could show tidy instances at Cha-
ring Cross Hospital of accidents by which poor persons had been
deprived of the means of earning a livelihood.—( Hear, hear.)
Colonel SIBTHORP did not agree with the view taken by the
Hon. Member for Bridport in reference to gentlemen driving their
own carriages. He was one of the oldest four-in-hand whips in
London, and he could say th ,t he never had the misfortune to in-
jure any person by driving over him ; if he had he should feel
bound to make the utmost reparation possible.
Mr. WAKLEY considered the Gallant Colonel very fortunate.
It was every day seen that accidents, he might say, were wilfully
committed by gentlemen drivers, and he could confirm the state-
ment that the hospitals were full of accidents, occasioned by public
and private carriages. Would the Gallant Colonel agree to a pro-
position he had made before, that every gentleman's carriage should
be numbered as ,sell as public carriages?
Col. SIBTHORP—No.
Mr. WAKLEY then could not understand upon what just prin-
ciple the Gallant Colonel wished to legislate.
Dr. BOWRING justified the course of the Hon. Member for
Bridport in his limitation of by-laws, for had he not done so the 80
clauses in the Bill would probably have been multiplied to 800.
Mr. POTTER thought hackney-coachmen in general were per-
sons of good behaviour, and a very useful class.
The clause as amended was agreed to.
Clauses 24 to 27 inclusive were agreed to.
On clause 28, which proposed the suspension of licenses on being
convicted of any offence, being read,
Mr. WARBURTON said he could not understand why punish-
ment should be carried so far as to deprive a man of the means of
obtaining his livelihood. He moved that the whole clause be
omitted.

After some remarks from Dr. I3owring, Sir S. Whalley, Mr.
Wilks, and Mr. Ewart, Alderman Wood agreed to strike out that
and the following two Clauses.
Clauses 32 and 33 were agreel to.
On Clause 34 being proposed,
Mr. WAKLEY thought that this was a most extraordinary
Clause.—( Hear, hear.) If the Hon. Alderman would not consent
to exclude all the -words from line 21, he would move that the clause
b. expunged. The proprietor of a cab might be the driver, and yet
he was not, under a heavy penalty, to be permitted to sit in the
place apprc-T: :1 1., v, as not car)
passengers. He was certain that the House would never agree to
this Clause.

Colonel SIBTHORP thought this the best Clause in the Bill.
He saw no reason why a greasy fellow should be allowed to sit in
his cab half drunk, to the great annoyance of passengers.
Mr. WAKLEY never saw. a more tyrannical proposition in his
life. These poor men, to gain a paltry pittance, took their station
at 8 o'clock at night, and remained till 8 o'clock in the morning,
and yet in snow, hail, or rain they were to be denied the shelter
which their own property produced. A more monstrous pro-
position was never entertained, and even though the Bill should
be lost, he would press the amendment to a division.
Sir S. WHALLEY—The Bill might be qualified by allowing
e nnission to sit within the vehicle when there were no passengers.
There were instances where unprotected females had got into cabs,
and the drivers had forced themselves in with them.

Mr. TOOKE—The Bill only applied to riding inside : it could
not, therefore, apply to persons taking shelter when waiting for
passengers.
Mr. WARBURTON—The clause is so worded that the driver
cannot ride in any part of the carriage without incurring a pe-
nalty.--(" Oh, oh," and read.) It says, " If any person shall, 84c."
the driver was not excepted.—(A laugh. )
Mr. AGLIONBY—The Hon. Member must perceive that it
was intended he should be excepted.
Mr. WARBURTON—Aye, intended.
Mr. AGLIONBY was sure if the Hon. Member for Bridport
looked more closely at the clause, lie would find that it could not
have that effect. He thought, however, the clause ought to be
made clear in every respect, but as the clause now stood it was very
much in doubt whether the Driver or the person riding was liable
to the penalty. He thought it ought to be clearly defined, that in
cases where the Driver was in fault, he should pay the penalty, and
where the person riding offends, he should pay the penalty.
Mr. TOOKE thought as to the latter part, a persun getting
upon any part of the carriage without the consent of the driver, his
punishment was quite sufficient by receiving the whip pretty smartly
upon his back.—(A laugh. )
A conversation here took place, in which Sir S. Whalley, Mr.
Wakley, Dr. Bowring, and several other Hon. Members took part
relative to amendments in the clause under consideration.

Mr. BARING was anxious to know what was th• question
really before the Committee. So many amendments had been
suggested, that it was difficult to know what they were at.
Mr. WILKS thought nothing could be more inconvenient than
to allow the driver to ride with the passenger, as he could not
guard against accidents in such a case. Even when the passenger
gave permission, the driver should not be authorized to leave
his seat.
Colonel SIBTIIORP said there was a difference to be made
between private carriages and public ones, the latter being
servants.
A division then took place upon an amendment by Mr. Ewart,
that no driver should be allowed to ride inside a vehicle while in
motion, when there appeared—
For the amendment 7

Against it ... 33
Majority against it —26
On our return to the gallery.—

Mr. AGLIONBY was pressing upon the attention of the Com-
mittee the necessity of drawing a distinction between persons riding
with the consent of the driver, and without his consent. At pre-
sent the penalty in both cases fell equally on the driver. He hoped
this would be remedied on bringing up the Report.--(Hear, hear,
from Alderman Wood.)
The clause, upon this understanding, was ordered to stand part of
the Bill.
Clause 35 was omitted.
Clause 36 was agreed to.
On clause 37 being put--
Col. SIBTHORP thought that a penalty of Si. was a very small
recompense for the damage that might be done to a carriage.
Alderman WOOD—In cases of wilful damage, there will still
remain the remedy of an action at law.
Mr. WARBURTON thought the effect of the clause was to re-
lieve the proprietor from the responsibility to which he was now
subject. In this case he was relieved from all responsibility for da-
mage, except through the medium of an action.
Mr. Alderman WOOD observed, that throughout the Bill the
proprietor was liable to damage ; but it would be exceedingly hard
to make the proprietor liable in the first instance.
Mr. WILKS thought the clause was a most admirable one for
the purposes intended, and ought to be continued. If the pro-
prietor was made liable in the first instance, the driver would say,
I don't care what takes place, as my proprietor will have to pay
all." He thought the clause had left it very properly to the discre-
tion of the Justices to say what damage should be paid, and by
whom.
Sir T. FREEMANTLE thought the greatest complaint was by
the proprietors against their drivers, and they now asked the Le-
gislature to give them the means of punishing them.
Mr. WARBURTON was of opinion that the party complaining
ought not to be deprived of compensation altogether by the Jus-
tices, which might be done if the clause was allowed to remain in ,
the state it then stood.
Mr. AGLIONBY thought it would be rather hard upon the

proprietors to make them responsible in all cases, as there were
many in which the driver should be held accountable.
Mr. WARBURTON said the advantage of summary jurisdic-
tion was, that many persons would be better pleased at recover-
ing 51. in that way, than to be compelled to resort to legal proceed-
ings for the recovery of a larger sum.
The clause as amended was then ordered to stand partof the Bill.
On the next clause being put, which imposed a penalty for inde-
cent or improper language or drunkenness, on the part of the driver,
Mr. TOOKE moved the omission of the word " indecent," as
the word improper would be quite sufficient to explain the offence.
Colonel SIBTHORP thought the penalty of 40s. much too
low. Some of those persons conducted themselves in the most
beastly manner, and he should move as an amendment that for the
second offence the driver should suffer three months imprisonment,
and for the third offence that he be deprived of his license, and be
imprisoned six months.—(Cries of " No, no.") He said " Yes,
yes," and would take the sense of the House on it.
Mr. WAKLEY would object to the portion of the clause impos-
ing a penalty for improper or indecent language. Who were to
be the censors or the judges of what was improper language? Why
that House. Now, he had heard more insulting, personally in-
sulting expressions used by the Members towards one another in
that House than ever he had heard from Hackney Coach or Cab-
men.---( Hear, hear, and a laugh.) He hoped that portion of the
clause would be omitted.
Mr. WARBURTON objected to the omission of the word "in-
decent," and substituting the word " improper." There must be
some definition of what was to be deemed improper language, for
it might happen that a driver would use Conservative language, and
that would be deemed improper by some persons.
On the motion of Sir S. WHALLEY, the clause was framed to
apply to "indecent or abusive language."
Colonel Sibthorp's amendment was negatived without a division.
The clause, as amended, was then agreed to.
Sir T. FREMANTLE should regret to see the number of
omnibusses increased; the number was already inconveniently large.
Mr. WARBURTON was glad to see those vehicles so exten-
sively used by the people. The more he saw of them, the more he
was leased. He objected to this clause in tofu. The competition,
if left to itself, would afford sufficient regulation, without Legisla-
tive interference.
Mr. Alderman WOOD had no objection to postpone the clause
till the Report was brought up.
After a short conversation, the clause was postponed.
Upon clause 41 being read,l
Colonel SIBTHORP suggested that the residence of the pro-
prietor, his name, and number, should be placed in the most con-
spicuous part of the carriage, in letters of not less than three inches
each.

Mr. Alderman WOOD said that he would consult with the
persons connected with the stamp office upon the subject.
Col. SIBTHORP said, as such was the case, he would not
press his amendment.
The clause was then agreed to.
Clause 42 was then also agreed to, with some verbal amendments.
On clause 43 being read,
Mr. WARBURTON said he considered this the mcst objec-
tionable clause in the Bill. inasmuch as it gave a most:extensive
and unprecedented jurisdiction to the Aldermen of the City
of Lcndon, and, in fact, enabled them to allow just
as few or as many omnibusses to have existence as
they pleased. He had no great confidence in the Aldermen
of the city of London, and he did not think them worthy
even to legislate for cabs and coaches.-(Laughter.) The Hon.
Member concluded by moving the striking out of the words that
gave such extensive jurisdiction to the city of London.
Mr. M‘KINNON thought the Hon. Member for Bridport was in
error as to the extent of jurisdiction conferred on the Aldermen of
London by the clause.
Mr. TUOKE concurred in the amendment of the Hon. Member
for Bridport.
Mr. BA RING recommended the Worthy Alderman to omit
these Clauses altogether.
Alderman WOOD said the powers conferred by the present Act
on the Court of Aldermen were not new. They were conferred
by previotn Acts of Parliament, and the present merely confirmed
them. He had no objection, however, to agree to the amendment
of the Hon. Member for llridport.
The Clause as amended was then agreed to.
All the clauses up to the 43d having been agreed to—
The CHAIRMAN then reported progress, and asked leave to
sit again.
It being Three o'clock the SPEAKER left the Chair.