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London, England, 1832-07-03 00:00:00

sit,lulri take place in the neighbourhood of the King's new
r< silence. Th ,t vicinity was at present a most unhealthy
spot, and was inhabited by the lowest description of re
pants, whin, in consequence of the tenure by which they
held their property, would never be induced to improve iit
The cellars of the houses were 13 feet below the level sit
high water, and the district was so mirshy and unwholi-
some as to require considerable draining before any ink-
provements could be made in it. The erection of n+
barracks in that part of the metrop,dis would impede tile
drainage, and make it utterly impossible to effect any ITO-
provement in the neighbourhood under a cost of 150,0001
to the public.
Mr. KENNEDY was ready to admit that the situation
se'ect d for the erection of barracks was not the best thst
could be desired; but pains had been taken ever since 18210
to discover a good sire for fn sh barracks ; arid after much
investigation, it was found that the Birdcage-walk wis
the only place that could be used for that purpose. lie
agreed with the Hon. Member, that it was most llesirable
that that part of the metropolis should he improved ; bur
it was impossible for Government to enter upon such p
seh,rne witt.out putting to hazard a large sum of the public
money. He did not think that the erection of barrack.
would throw any obstacles in the way of the improvement
of the district ; and care would be taken to build them in
sub a manner as would not he offensive to the public,
They would be erected 120 fret from the line of Bird.
cage-walk, have a large area round them, and would look,
be thought, much handsomer titan a row of miserable
little houses.
Mr. HUNT did not see the necessity of building new
barracks at all.
Mr. HUME said there were no less than 301 barracks
in England and Ireland already; and he would submit to
the Noble Loid opposite whether it would nut be better in
the present state of the revenue to defer the building of
these barracks to another year.
Mr. KENNEDY said it was true many barracks had
been erected through the country ; but he m untamed that
those in question were indispensable in Lon,:on. In con-
sequence of erecting them, the Foot Guards would be
lodeed at a cheaper rate than at present.
Mr. HUME asked if it were necessary to have so many
troops in London. If, as he conceived, it was not neces-
sary, then they should be sent to places that had barracks
fur their accommodation.
Lord ALTHORP was of opinion that the proposed
building was necessary for keeping up the Guards' esta-
blishment in London. He believed that the Guards were
not particularly healthy, but, on the contrary, the loss of.
IVe among them was greater than in other regiments, and,
taking all circumstances into consideration, he thought,
that it wou'd be a very disadvantageous thing to remove
any considerable number of these troops from their, present

si,uation.
Mr. R. \VASON had off,red, at his own risk, to open a
street hetvi,ern T.ttenham-street and Buckingham Palace.
The Hun Member, after reading an extract from a pub-
li.lted report, which stated that the neighbourhood of the
site of the intended barracks was unhealthy, moved an
amendment that the vote before the committee be reduced
by tie sum of 10,0001.
The Giliery was cleared for a division, when there ap-
peared

For the amendment
Against it
Majority against the amendment... —26 •
The vote was then agreed see.
A vote of 59 4801., fur barrack-masters' expenditure
and miscellaneous charges were put and agreed to.
On the vote being put that the sum of 115.5701. be
granted towards the cootingeht exoen.es, military and civil,
of the ordnance partment, in Great Britain and Iceland,
Mr. JEPHSON (as we understood) asked if the sum
inclu,ed in the present vote would he sufficient to complete
the ordinance survey in Ireland.
Mr. KENNEDY believed that the sum now called for
would nut he sufficient to complete the survey, because it
was the intention of Government to carry it on more ex-
tensively than had been originally cootemp'ated.
Mr. JEPHSON said it would cost 450,0001. before it
was finished.
Me HUME complained that the origin el estimate of
300.0001. was 'o be so greatly exceeded. Only one-fifth 01
the server of Ireland had been made, and the expeuse
already amounted to 200,000/. He wooll propose that
the vote should be postponed, until another estimate was
laid before them.
Sir H. HARDINGE said that if any thing like double
the .emount of the e,rigioal estimate were called for, the
Hon. Member for Middlesex had good grounds for urging
the postoonetnent of the vote.
Mr. KENNEDY admitted that the expense would ex.
ceed the estimate, but it would not reach to any thing like
double the amount.
Mr. HUME could not see any use in having estimates,
if they were to be capticiously departed fresm.
Mr. CROKER lett assured, from the mode in which
the Irish survey had been conducted hitherto, that it would
prove highly satisfactory.
Mr. G. DAWSON trusted that Government would
not be deterred by the opposition of the Hon. Member for
from carrying the vote through the committee.
After some further discussion the vote teas agreed to.
The next item, 55,9761 , for stores, was agreed to with-
out observation.
As a so were the following votes :
£3,612, for the expense of services performed by the
Ordnance, and not provided for by Parliament.
£1,520, Exchequer fees.
£293 231, for superannuations and pensions, and
£55.246, for allowances to civil servants and widows'
pensions.
The House resumed, and the Chairman leaving reported
the resolutions, they were ordered to be taken into further
consideration tee-morrow.
On the Order of the Day for going into Committee on
the Irish Reform Bill.
Colonel DAVIES felt obliged to trouble the House
with an explanation of his sentiments on a particular
suhject, in consequence of something that had appeared
in one of the public Journals, purporting to be a state-
ment of what hed occurred the other day at the Foreign-
office. It was stated in the Courier of this evening, in
answer to one of the Morning Journals, that there exist-d

a unanimous feeling in favour of the proposition of Go-
- vernment among the Members present on that occasion•
He conceived this to be a mistateinent. Certainly he for
one, it he had been aware that silence would have been con.
strut d into consent, would have taken the opportunity to
express his dissent from what he then heard; but not wish-
ing to do what he thought might be considered disagreeob'e
and out of pl ice, he determined to wait till the question
should be before the House. Ile believed that several of
the Members then present had been actuated by simiar too•
tires, and were of the mime opinio•t of himself.
REFORM (IRELAND) COMMITTEE.

The House went into Committee.
On the CHAIRMAN putting the 6th clause,
Sir H. BATESON said, that although the 101. fran •
chise might perhaps prove satisfactory in small towns, he
was of opinion, that in larger places so low a rate of qua-
lification with a numerous constituency thus obtained,
must necessarily lead to bribery. What he wished was,
to let the 10/. franchise stand in towns having from 200 to
300 10/. houses; but wherever there were from 500 to
1 000 houses of that class, he thought the franchise should
be raised to 15/. ; and in paces that had above 1,000
101. houses he would require a 201. qualification. He
was desirous of seeing the franchise limited to respectable
people. but in large towns the 101. householders for the
most part were mechanic., and worth nothing, and on th it
ground he would exclude them. The Him. Baronet ended
by movine ,in amen invent to the effect stated.
Mr. O'CONNELL opposed the amendment, if for no
other reason, tai,ori this ground—that no towns remained
to he disposed of, with the exception of Belfast and Newry,
to whi .h th. H•ni. Baronet's clause coeld apply.
Mr. SHAW suggested to his Hon. Friend the pro-
priety ,it postponing his amendment tilt the bringing up
of the report.
The amendment was negatived.
Mr O'CONNELL gave notice that he should, on the
brii,ging up of the report, move that the 10/. qualifica-
wan in owns h., reduced to Si.

Mr LEADER would move that the 5/. householders
in Dunga von, Newry, and Downp-itriek, who at present
en)•lyed votes, hould retain them under the B
Mr. G LAMB sa.v no ol'jectio❑ to permitting the pre-
s-nt small hour ho!,1 voters enjoying a life franchi•e in-
teres!, but would Ohket to extending that low rate of suf-
frage ,0 t• ose who never possessed it.
The tith chose, as am neled, wa•i then agreed to.
0.. t,,e 7th clause b in lead,

Mr SHAW compiained that the freemen in corporate
. town+ in Iretai.d would oe plated in a very different fu t-
in front their EnOish brethren. By the Eiiglish Bill
all treertie”'e rights would be perpetuated, while under t e
hash Bill, the franchise right would terminate with the
lite or the irio•ridual freeman.
Mr STANLEY said, that the Government had acted
a view to put an end to that cyst-tn of sectarian
b wit!. which the Iris t corporations had always
abused their privilege of making treemen.—(ll ar.) As
it was a ..,rr object of ministers to put an tod to sects-
distinction as much as posei .le in Ireland, and as toe
roul,ing of free,oen by cor,.orations in that country Was
truatul source oh sectarian bigotry and disC intent, it was
thou_ ht .-xp.dient t t adopt the present clause.
Ails O'CONNELL would vote for the amendment,
sliou'd the Ho:,, Dat,lin Recorder press it to a division, as