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ROUSE OF LORDS, Jux.r 9.
The Earl of SHAFTSSBURT took hia seat on the Woolsack at
five o'clock.

POOR LAWS OF IRELAND.
Lord DYNE VOR presented a petition from Carmarthen,
iraying for a legislative enactment for the relief of the poor in
[reland.
The Earl of LIMERICK said he would take that oppor-
tunity of defending himself from a most gross attack that had
been made upon him in the Morning Herald of the 7th inst.
In the Morning Herald of that day, they called the atten-
ti3n of the magistracy and the public to an article which
they had copied from the Star Irish newspaper. The publica-
tion in that paper was a reference to an article in the
Morning Herald, relative to the state of the starving poor
in Ireland, and especially in England. The paragraph,
after adverting to the poor in Ireland, observed that it could
bear testimony to the truth of the statements that had been
made, and that the last person who had died of starvation in
Limerick, was one of the tenants of the Noble Earl of that
name. Now he (Lord L.) was not aware whether that
statement was true or not, but this he would say, that
he believed there was not a single county in Ireland in which
more attention was paid to the wants of the poor than in the
county of Limerick. The Noble Lord, after adverting at some
length to the paragraph in question, which stated him to be an
oppressive landlord, and one who, when called upon
to do so, took no notice of the state of his tenants, stated that
although he considered the paragraph as an attack upon the
freedom of debate in that House, yet he should not conclude
by moving that the printer should attend the Bar. He was
as anxious as any man for the freedom of the Press, and he
thought be was advocating that freedom when he endeavoured
to put an end to such libels as the one he had adverted to.
He should take the opinion of his professional advisers whether
the article was a libel or not, and if it was, the parties might
depend that neither trouble or expense would be spared by
him to bring them to justice.
ISLINGTON MARKET BILL.
Mr. Justice PARK delivered the judgment of the Judges
upon the points submitted to them, relative to the rights of the
city of London under the charter by which a market in Smith-
field was granted. Their Lordships were of opinion that the
words of that grant were not sufficient to warrant the grant of
a new Market during the existence of the old one, beyond two
and within seven miles of its scite.
Lord BROUGHAM thought that the better course would
be to refer back the opinion of the Judges and the Bill to the
Committee. He agreed entirely in the opinion that the
Judges had given.
Lord SALISBURY moved that the opinion of their Lord-
ships be entered on the journals, which was agreed to.
The Earl of FALMOUTH presented a petition from Fal-
mouth, complaining of the present state of the timber duties,
and praying for their alteration.
The Patent Bill went through a Committee, and was ordered
to be reported on Monday.
A MESSAGE FROM THE COMMONS.
The Prisoners' Counsel Bill was brought up from the
Commons.
The Bills on the table were forwarded a stage.
The Duke of RICHMOND presented the Fourth Report
of the Gaol Discipline Committee, in which they reported that
the gaols of Scotland were in a much worse state than those
of England or Wales, and recommending the appointment of
Inspectors of Gaols in Scotland.
The NOBLE DUKE then movedthat the House go into Com-
mittee on the Prison Discipline Bill, and in accordance with the
recommendation of the Committee, whose Report he bad just
presented, he moved a clause for the appointment of two
Gaol Inspectors for Scotland.
' No opposision was offered, and the Report was ordered to
be received to-morrow.
SOAP DUTIES.

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The Soap Duties Drawback Continuation Bill went through
Committee without any amendment.
Lord BROUGHAM, in the absence of Lord Denman,
moved the second reading of the Certiorari Bill. The Noble
Lord shortly explained the nature of the Bill—the purport of
which is to give the Court of King's Bench power to require
higher bail than 201. when a case was moved into that Court
by the defendants.
The Duke of RICHMOND expressed his thanks to the
Noble and Learned Lord who had so promptly attended to the
suggestion he had thrown out. He trusted that the Noble
and Learned Lord would not think it too much, if he asked
him to insert in this Act a clause empowering a Magistrate
to take bail in cases of minor importance, as the law now did
not give him power to take bail, unless he entertained some doubt
of the guilt of the parties ; as he thought no man should be kept
in prison when he could be bailed to such an amount as ensured
his appearance. He cited two cases to the House which oc-
curred at the last Quarter Sessions for Sussex, in which the
prisoners (boys) had acknowledged their guilt before the Ma-
gistrate, in having stolen three mackerel, value 9d., and then
the Magistrate had no other duty than to commit them for
trial, though their master was willing to take them again into
his employment.
Lord BROUGHAM would take an opportunity to-
morrow of suggesting the matter to the Lord Chief Justice,
who he had no doubt would give it his immediate consideration.
The Bill was read a second time, and ordered to be com-
mitted to morrow.
The House then adjourned.

HOUSE OF COMMONS, JuLr 9.
The SPEAKER resumed the chair at 5 o'clock.
PENRYN ELECTION.
Mr. WILKS brought up the Report of the Penryn Election
Committee, finding that W. Rolfe (the Solicitor-General)
had been duly elected, but that neither the petition, nor the
opposition to it, was frivolous or vexatious.
STAMP DUTIES.
Mr. HEATHCOTE (we believe) presented a petition
from Blandford, praying for the Repeal of the Newspaper-

stamp duties.
BRIDGE ON THE SHANNON.
Captain MATHEW presented a petition from Athlone,
praying the House to take into consideration the present
state of the bridge over the Shannon, at Athlone, which instead
of being of use to the town was a dangerous grievance. They
prayed the House to take this grievance into consideration,
and to consider further that this bridge was the only point of
approach to five counties from the eastern parts ; that the
town a Athlone was itself important, and had a considerable
inland trade ; and that the greatest fairs were held in its im-
mediate vicinity, at Ballinasloe for instance, to which the only
passage was by this bridge.
The O'CONNOR DON supported the prayer of the peti-
tion, and was happy to be able to inform the Hon. Member
that it was the intention of his Majesty's Government to take
the subject into consideration.
The petition was laid on the table.
CORPORATE REFORM.

Mr. C. BULLER rose to present a petition from the in-
habitants of Canterbury, praying the House to pass the Muni-
cipal Reform Bill as soon as possible. The petitioners
wished to press the importance of doing so on the House,
in order that Corporations might not in the meantime make
away with the corporate property.—( Hear.)
Mr. PARROTT presented a petition from Totness, in fa-
vour of the Corporation Reform Bill.
Mr. WASON presented a petition with a similar prayer
from Ipswich.
Mr. C. WOOD brought up a Report from the Fee Fund
Committee of the House of Commons respecting the retire-

ment of the Sergeant-at-Arms.
MUNICIPAL CORPORATIONS.

Lord JOHN RUSSELL proposed that they should go
into Committee on the Municipal Corporations Bill this even
ing, and he trusted that those Hon. Members who had notices
on the Orders of the Day would postpone them.
Mr. WALL ACE was most desirous to do anything to ac-
commodate the Noble Lord, as he was aware, of the great
importance of the subject. If other Hon. Members would
postpone their motions he should cheerfully do it. He hoped
he should be allowed to bring it on in his turn in the course of
the evening, and if not, he should do so to-morrow.
Sir E. CODRINGTON felt his motion (a Return of the
naval officers dismissed the service without sufficient cause) to
be of so great importance that he could not really consent to
postpone it. This was the only opportunity he would per-
haps have in the course of the session.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL made a few observations which
were quite inaudible.
Sir E. CODRINGTON would postpone his motion, and
hoped the Noble Lord would afford him an early opportunity
of bringing it forward.
Mr. STEWART M'KENZIE, and other Hon. Members,
then withdrew their motions.

Lord JOHN RUSSELL presented a petition from Preston
in favour of the Municipal Corporations Bill.
The House then went into a Committee of the whole House
on the Municipal Corporations Bill ; Mr. Bernal in the Chair.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL had one or two amendments
of an important nature to propose. He wished also to
strike out of the schedule the Borough of Malmesbury,
with respect to which there was a local Act, but of so compli-
cated a nature, that he found he could not deal with it, without
making a special provision in the Bill. He also wished to
make an alteration in the number of wards in each borough,
according to the mass of population contained in each.
Mr. SC ARLETT had a duty to perform which he did
not flinch from. He proposed to except from the operation of
this Bill all those boroughs the population of which was too
great to be advantageously applied to the provisions of the
Bill. He would take the Boroughs as the limits wherein the
councillors, by the provisions of the Bill, were only thirty,
and he would propose that all towns in which the council
amounted to thirty should be excepted. He hoped the
legislature would give a further opportunity to consider
what places would come under that regulation. Although
anxious to make some observations, be did not mean to detain
the House with a speech from so unimportant a person as himself.
He could not consent at once to a Bill which would dis-
franchise half the boroughs—all the boroughs—the greatest
part of all the towns in the country, and, if he consented
to such a Bill, it would be only in consideration of its operation
lacing eel-14110d to the smaller populations, as in that case it
might be much less objectionable. He was afraid that they
had too long forgotten the maxim of Lord Bacon, that
" Time is the greatest inhovator."-.4 Hear, bear.) They
ooght to innovate, like Time itself, slowly and imper-
ceptibly.—( Hear, hear, hear.) He believed the application
of this Bill to great towns would not have the effect of giving
them more peaceable or more honourable Corporations,
and ho also believed, that with respect to smaller towns,
it was a very great experiment.—( Hear, iteao It would
'*'t have the ettict of pthdttchig purity of election, or of
prorooting_ 'tti.p ends of justice, or establishing economy ''.,orpor*ion fnr4s. The country was strun—l•
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Majority --3,
On our return to the Gallery, we found Colonel WOOD
addressing the Committee respecting the number of the
Council assigned to Brecon; but it was impossible to collect
the purport of his observations in the Reporters' gallery,
Mr. BERNAL (the Chairman) then proceeded to read the
schedules of the boroughs. Many were passed without ...-
mark, on others some conversation took place; but
ried on in so low a tprio of voice, and in ars '
that it would bo useloges to attemr+
whatever,
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