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he conceived that the clause tvou'd have an effect quite
contrary to that stated by 'he Right Hon. Ir;sh Sect etary.
Mr. S. RICE had ot'en been surmised by the Learn-d
Member fur Kerry's declarations, but never more than by
the present one. He was cor.fident that were the clause
in letter and spirit the very reverse of the present, the
Learned Member would oppose it with at least equal
vehemence, and with certainly more consistency and
justice.

Mr. O'CONNELL would not permit the Right Hon.
Member for Limerick to thus calumniate him with the
impunity or silence. It might he very well for the Right
Hon. Gentleman, who had hitherto advocated the tights
of freemen, to thus turn round on them and deprive them
f those rights ; but he (Mr O'Connell) would stand up
for those rights, no matter whence the proposition ema
nated. He could tell the Right Hon. Gentleman th it he
had acted wisely in taking leave of Limerick in time, for
he might have found to his cost that Limerick would
take leave of him. He wished Cambridge joy of their
bargain with all his heart.—(A laugh.)
Mr. S. RICE would not be s,etrayed by the not unusual
example of the Learned Gentlem in into violating the
courtesies hitherto observed in the House, and would
merely appeal to his Parliamentary career as to whrth-r
he had ever acted or spoken on both -ides of any question.

Mr. O'CONNELL mss thankful to the House for the
marked silence with which they had received the Right
11.. n Gentleman's intended attack upon him. He would
tell the Right Hon. Gentleman, without mincing the mat-
ter, by way of rejoinder to his assertion, that he (Mr.
O'Conne I) would have opposed the clause were it the
very opposite in principle to the present—that be that as
it may—there could be little doubt that the Right 11. n.
Gentleman would have supported that clause, or its opp.
site, or any other, which the present dispensers of place
mi tht propose—sooner than risk his present post in the
Treasury. Yes, he repeated, the Right Hon. Gentleman
would be as zealous and hustling in his advocacy, and at-
tend the Treasury with equal precision, if the clause were
in the very teeth of t at with which he was just now so dis-
interestedly enamoured.
Mr. STANLEY said be would refer the House to a
letter written by the H n. and Learned 31.,mber, in which,
after pointing out the advantages w the Irish Reform Bill,
he went on to state that he approved above all of tee
provision by which the power of creating an unlimited
number of freemen to swamp the independent voters in
towns was taken from corporations. For that the Hon.
and Learned Member had cod that the Government were
entitled to the gratitude of Ireland.—(Hear.)
Mr. O'CONNELL said, that the Right Hun. Member,
in the few observations which he had just made, had ex-
hibited the grossest ignorance. He had always supported,
and still supported, that part of the Bill which took from
corporations the power of creating freemen. But the pre-
sent proposition was not in contradiction of that provision
of the Bill. It was not a proposition to continue such a
power to the corporations, but to compel them, whether
they would or not, to admit freemen.

Mr. G. DAWSON rose as a peace•-maker on this oc-
casion.—(Laughter.) He advised the Hon. and Learned
Recorder to withdraw his amendment, and give the Go-
vernment an opportunity of considering it during the
❑ight ; and he had not the least doubt that the castigation
which two Members of the Government had received
from the Hon. and Learned Member for Kerry, would
have, on the present occasion, the effect, which it gen.--
rally had on others, of inducing them to yield.—(Hear.)
He really thought that this was a pacific proposition.—
(Hear, and laughter)
Ater a few words from Mr. SIIEIL, Mr. Suaw, and
Sir J. DOYLE,

Lord INGESTRIE expressed his intention of voting for
the ami•ndment.

Mr. H. GRATTAN said he should vote againtt the
amendment.

Mr. CALLAGHAN said th it he represented a nume-
rous constituency of freemen, and he could assure the
Commit,ee that no part of the Bill was more approved
by them than the disfranchisement of freemen. He should
th. re ore °uprise the Amendment.

Mr. WALKER sp .k o the same effect.
Nlr. HUN f acid, 'hat the oorst description of voters
in the counts were freemen.
Atter a few words from Mr. K. DOUGLAS in support Of
the Amendment, the Committee divided—

For the Amendment 39
Against it I '2%3
Majority
The clause was then ordered to ran t part of the Bill.
Mr. RUTHVEN moved that the Chairman do report
progresM, it being then one o'clock.

The I-lou-e then div,ded—
For the Motion lO
Against it 64

Clauw.:tl and 9 n .v n.g bean agrre.l
The House re-ium d and the Chairman reported pro-
gress, rind obtained leave to sit igain this day.
The other Orders of the thy having been disposed of,
the House adjourned at a Qtarter to Two o'clock.