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London, England, 1835-03-13 00:00:00

Noble Lord (Mandeville) vrtrt toftect, Lord Gosford was not
a fit person to renlaln in the important situation of Lord Lieu-
tenant of the county Armagh.—( Hear, hear.) He maintained
that it was the duty of the Noble Lord, as an upright and
honest Magistrate, to represent the conduct of the Noble Earl,
whom he accused, to the Government, with a view to its re-

ceiving a strict investigation. Honouiably, he could not avoid
doing so ; but at all events the House was now bound to inter-
fere. Justice would be paralysed if any man guilty of one-
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half of what Lord Gosfora was accused was suffered to retain

the post of Lord Lieutenant; but as the subject had been
broached incidentally, and without notice being given, so that
art answer might be made on the Noble Earl's part, he en-
treated the House to suspend their judgments upon It until the
Noble Lord did that which now he must do—by bringing for-
ward proof of the truth of his assertions--either to save his own
character, or for ever to destroy that of Earl Gosford.—( Hear,
hear.) One other point and he had done. It appeared that
certain outrages had been committed at Armagh. but hitherto
it had been found impossible to discover the perpetrators. This
the Right Honourable Gentleman the Secretary for Ireland

had stated to the House, adding at the same time an earnest
desire that Government might be able to bring them to justice.
That desire might now be accomplished; for if the Noble
Lord's assertions were to be believed it was in his power to
identify and bring the parties to justice.—(Hear, hear.)
For his part he only hoped the law would be enforced impar-
tially, for until that was done, Ireland must be a perpetual
source of trouble to the Legislature. It was really disgraceful
that an assembly should be, as the British House of Commons
now was, night after night and day after day having its pre-
cious time wasted in discussions as to whether this outrage at

Rathcormac or that riot at Armagh should undergo incesti.
gation, as if there could be a question that every such violation
of the law ought not to be inquired into and punished by the
Government. It did seem as though the Government were
resolved upon giving coun_tnnance to the Orange party to the
prejudice of its opponents ; and while that was the case, there
never would wanting leaders to incite the multitude to
violence, _ _ _

Sir R. BATE SON rose to entreat Hon. Members not to
express an opinion until they were better acquainted with the
facts than they were likely to be from the speeches of the
Hon. Members who had spoken on the other side of the House.
They were continually hearing, from the other side of the
House, of midnight outrages ; and they were told, that as long
as the present Government remained in office, there was safety
for neither life nor property in Ireland.—( Cries of " Hear,
hear," from the Opposition.) It was easy to cheer, but doing
so did not of itself prove the truth of the assertion.—( Hear,
hear.) As to himself, he believed it to be as great a falsehood
as could be concocted, and he was happy to say that all the re-
spectability of that part of the country from which he (Sir R.
Bateson) came, fully agreed with him in opinion. All that the
gentry and magistrates of Ireland required was even-handed
justice. They sought for no partiality—they looked for no
favour. He ( Sir R. Bateson) never was a party man, and all
he wanted was justice to men of all religious opinions. As to
the allegation that his Majesty's Government countenanced a
certain party in Ireland, he did not believe it, and was prepared
to prove it was not the fact.—( Hear.) Indeed its best refu-
tation was to be found in the fact, that both extremes of the
Irish parties were equally disappointed at the course of policy
the Government had adopted. He addressed himself parti-
cularly to English Members, for he knew it was quite useless to
address the few who arrogated to themselves the title of " The
Irish Representatives par excellence," and he asked them not
to believe what they heard night after night reiterated about
Ireland, in speeches only made to keep up that party feeling
which it was the wish of every sincere friend of Ireland to put
down.—( Hear.) He complained that the Hon. Members for
Ireland who were in the habit of speaking from the other side
of the House always took the same side of the question, and
never allowed their opinions to coincide with those expressed
on his side.—( A laugh.)
An Hon. MEMBER wished to know when it was the Irish
Government intimated to the Clergy in the Commission of
the Peace their wishes that they should not interfere in the
collection of their own tithes?
Sir H. HA RDINGE replied, that immediately on his ar-
rival in Dublin, he sent round to the Magistracy a circular let-
ter, requesting that they should not act in their Magisterial
capacity in any case where they happened to be interested par-
ties, and in doing so he availed himself of the opportunity to
lay it down as a rule that no clergyman should interfere in the
collection of his own tithes.
Colonel VERNER (in explanation) entered into some
particulars connected with the transactions to which the mo-
tion referred ; but owing to our pAtion we were unable to
collect them. We understood him to ask why the Protestants
of Ireland were the only parties prevented from keeping arms.
The Hon. and Learned Member for Dublin told the House
last Session, that the Roman Catholics of Ireland were not
only armed, but well armed ; and why, he wished to know,
should not the Protestants have the same privilege ?
Mr. O'CONNELL—What I said was, that the Roman
Catholics in the North of Ireland had acquired arms, and that
in parts of it they were well armed.
Colonel VERNER continued. He wanted to know if the
only acknowledged friends of the British connection in Ire-
land were to be the only persons not allowed to carry arms ?
An Hon. MEMBER complained that when the North of
Ireland was in a state bordering on civil war, the Secretary for
the Home Department should have added fuel to the flame by
receiving the addresses of the Orange Lodges. He thought
the House was bound to exact a pledge that this error should
not be repeated.
After a few words in reply from Mr. DOBBIN, and in expla-
nation from Col. VERNER,
Mr. O'CONNELL begged to remind the House that,
at the time he stated the Catholics of the North of Ireland
were armed he added his regret that such should be the case.
He wished that neither party in Ireland should be allowed to
retain arms.
The motion was then agreed to.
DISSOLUTION OF THE LATE CABINET. _ _

HAY,Colonel LEITH in pursuance of notice, moved for
a copy of a despatch to the Governor of British Guiana, from
the Colonial Office, dated the 29th of November last, an-
nouncing the dissolution of Lord Melbourne's Cabinet. The
Hon. Member stated he moved for this document preparatory
to bringing forward a motion relating to the conduct of the
Noble Duke the Secretary for Foreign Affairs, in assuming to
himself, upon the dissolution of the late Cabinet, all the prin-
cipal offices of the Government. He understood that his pre-
sent motion was not to be objected to, and therefore would
abstain from all observation.
Col. EVANS expressed his satisfaction at the prospect of
having the opinion of the House upOn the conduct of the Duke
of Wellington at the period to which the Hon. and Gallant
Member alluded. Had no other Member taken up the subject
it was jiis intention to have done so.
The motion was then agreed to.
CINQUE PORTS.

Sir T. TROUBRIDGE rose to move for the return of all
appointments made during the last ten years by or under the
control of the Lord Warden of the Cinque Posts, specifying
the particular duties attached to each and the respective sala-
ries, fees, and emoluments thereto attached, and from what
funds such emoluments are derived.
Mr. WILLIAMS (as we understood) in seconding this
motion, was desirous of knowing whether it was the intention
of the Government to adopt any different system with regard
to the appointment of pilots ? He believed that appointments
were made at present without reference to the fitness of the in-
dividuals.
Mr. HERRIES said that it had been under contemplation
to appoint a Commission of Inquiry to inquire into this most
important subject, and that it was the intention of Government
shortly to do so.
Mr. PRICE said that no improper influence was exercised
in the appointment of pilots, they being first subject to an
examination as rigorous as those appointed by the Trinity

Board. .
After a long and desultory conversation, in which Mr. PRICE,
Sir H. HARDINGE, Mr. GOULBURN, and others took part, the
motion was agreed to.
Sir T. TROUBRIDGE then moved for a return of the
sums annually expended for ref airs or other incidental charges
for the last ten years on IValmer Castle ; also that the papers
presented to that House relative to Ramsgate harbour be
printed.—Agreed to.
EMPLOYMENT OF MILITARY AT ELECTIONS

IN IRELAND.
Mr. MULLINS moved for copies of any correspondence
between the Lord Lieutenants and Magistrates of the several
counties of Ireland and the Irish Government previously to
and during the late elections, on the subject of such elections,
with reference to the distribution and employment of the mi-
litary force, and to the apprehending obstructions of the free-
dom of election.
Sir H. HARDINGE had no objection to the production
of the papers, and when they were produced he took that op-
portunity of informing the House he should move that all the
reports relating to matters occurring previously to and at the
elections should be referred to the Committee on bribery and
intimidation.—( Hear, hear.) With regard to the employment
of the military the papers when produced would prove they
had never been employed but on grounds perfectly justifiable.
Mr. C. O'DWYER read a letter from a Roman Catholic
priest, detailing the conduct of the military at some place in
Ireland, where the writer stated soldiers had been placed close
to the doors of the chapel for two Sundays together, and that
the people were afraid to go to mass, believing that their as-
sembling would be a signal for the troops to fire.—(Loud
cries of Oh, oh.)
Sir H. HARDINGE thought it very advisable for Hon.
Gentlemen to avoid discussion when moving for returns of pa-
pers. He had endeavoured to do so, but was provoked into
reply by statements that were made on the opposite side of the
House. He had heard of outrages such as the Hon. Gentle-
man alluded to at Borris, where it was stated that people were
pulled out of their pews, the pews destroyed, and the people
dragged into the streets and severely beaten. Similar scenes,
it had been asserted, had taken place several times subsequent
to the Carlow election, when neither the influence of the
priests nor the sanctuary of the temple were any protection.
If Hon. Members would favour him with the names of parties
engaged in such alleged disturbances, he would promise to in-
stitute the proper inquiries, and give them satisfactory answers.
As far as he was able to judge, the conduct of the military had
been on all occasions most exemplary. Depending on the re-
turns of Sir Hussey Vivian, he was authorized to say so.
Mr. F. O'CONNOR at the election alluded to was rather
surprised, when about to address the people, to find himself
surrounded by drawn swords and fixed bayonets, but he ma-
naged to keep the soldiers in good temper by talking of the
impolicy of flogging in the army--(laughter)--of the evils of
unmerited pensions, and the 'propriety of appropriating such
pensions to the relief of the widow and the orphan—( Loud
laughter, which drowned the continuation of the Hon Mem-
ber's reply; but in which he was understood not to assent to
the remark of the HMI. and Gallant Officer, Sir H. Har-
dinge, as to the universal good conduct of the military.)
Sir H. HARDINGE had seen a letter written by the Hon,