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TO BE. SOLD BY AUCTION,
(Unless previously disposed of by Private Contract%
At the House of Mr. Loftus, the Turk's head, Newcastle•
upon-Tyne. on Tuesday the 3oth day of August instant,
at Five o'Clock in the Afternoon, subject to Conditions
to be then produced;

ALL those Extensive FREEHOLD IRON
WORKS called the TEA MA WON WORKS, si-
tuate near Gatcsheiul, in the County- cit;Ourltiniti consisting
of two Forges, a Slitting Mill, Stecifurrialw zed Itiundry,
with a Dwelling-house, Workshops, Warchnusois'snd other
Buildings, Corn Mill, and about seven Acres at Land. ad.
joiniug. • •
The Forges and Mills are wrought by Water, of which
there is a plentiful suppl).
These Works are situate two Miles from Newcastle, and
halt a Mile from the River Tyne, upon a Navigable Creek.
Bowing into it ; a large Sum has lately been expended in Im-
provements and Repairs, anti the Works are now in full
employment,' and working' to considerable profit.
For further particulars apply to Nlessrs.Grahatn, Lincoln's
inn' Mr. A. Spedding, No. I Paper-buildings, 'rumple,
Lonlon ; lames Lash, Esq. %‘':;stgAtc-street,,Ncweastic; or
Mr. Wisiter),-Newi;aslc.

Tar several Bills upon the Table were forwarded
in their respeflive stages ; among which, the Am.
herst Annuity Bill, the Wine ,Prizage, Assessed
Taxes. Regulation, Neutral Ships, and Countervail.
ing Duties Bills passed through Committees of the
whole House; and the Scots Taxes Consolidation,
the Vote of Credit, Warehousing, Vellum and
Parchment Duties, Substitute Exemption, Scuts
Army of Reserve 'Amendment, the fortol* Free
Port, the Foreign Note Forgery, and the General
Defence Amendment Bills, were read a third time
and passed, and messages sent to acquaint the Com.
mons therewith.

Mr. Fowler, from the Tax. Office, presented' an
Account of the Expences incurred in Salaries and
Allowances to the Officers and Clerks in the Office
of. the Commissioners for the Retlemprion of the
Land-Tax,' as far as the same can he made
Mr. Williams presented the Fifth Report of...the
Commissioners of Naval Inquiry.
These docuthents were severally ordered to- I,ie
on the Table.

On the Motion of Lord WALSINGUAM, the con.
sideration of the Stan,ling Orders Nos. 26 and 155,
was farriler adjourned till tomorrow. Their
Lorchhips were necessarily again ordered to be
I summoned.

Some private business being disposed of, the
House adklurned till to-morrow, when the Royal
Assent will be given by a Commission to a great
number of Bills which have passed both Hous,ls.
This is called the Sweeping Commission, and is gc.
nerally a very short time previous to a.prorogation
of Patliament.

MUSE. OF COMMONS,
WEDNESDAY, AVG. 10.
‘• A Person from the Tax Office brought up several
Accounts relative thereto Person also hrought
up the sth Report of Naval Inquiries. Ordered to
lie on the Table.
A Message from the Lords stated, that they had
agreed, to the Orange Annuity Bill, the Exchequer
Bills Bill, the Defence Amendment Bill, the Assess.
ed Tax Bill, the Scotch Army of Reserve Bill, the
American Treaty Bill, the Tortola Bill, thee Foreign
Exchange Bill, the Malt Duty Bill, the Alien Bill,
and several private Bills, without any Amendments.
Capt. HAR•VEY presented a Petition from several.
Admirals and Captains, praying an early decision of
their Causes. in. • the Prize Court of 'London.' The
I-lon. Gentleman observed,• tlett this was a similar
Petition to that presented from the Admirals and
Captains of Plymouth.
Sir WM. SCOTT said, he had received a Letter
from one of the Adthirals of Plymouth, who stated,
he had signed the Petition presented to the House a
short time beck, without giving it due consider.~.
tion, otherwise he would not have put hit signature
to that Petition.
The question was then put, 'and the Petition'was
ordered to lie on the Table.
YULtINTEERS.
Mr. SHERIDAN said, it was not his inteeition
to enter much at large into the subjed, of which.
he had given notice, he should only submit to the
House a few words upon it ; the House would be, of
course, aware that he meant the Volunteer Corps,
and from the manner in which he intended to bring
the subjed forward, lit'was led to cherish a. san-
guine hope, if not. a -confident expetlation, that the
MOtion he wasaboUt to submit would meet with
the concurrence of the 'House, and he would ven.
ture to say beforehand, it should not be his fault
if it did not,' for he should abstain from obeerva-
lions on any of those topics which had so often pro.
duced a difference of opinion. This however he
knew to be no easy task. He knew it was difli.
cult to manage any matter of this kind so as to pre..
vent any difference of opinion, especially when
some Members of the House were present ; but the
- Motion he was about to propose he hoped would
meet the unanimous concurrence of the House. Per.
haps, however, some Gentlemeee might think this
Motion came from the wrong quarter, and that
if it came at all, it ought to come from some part
of His Majesty's -Exechtive Government ; but -he
thought it came properly enough from any Member
of that House, since it was no more than an,.ex.
pressing of the feeling of 'the House, which was to
thank the Volunteer Corps for the zeal with which
they hadcome forward on the present emergency. On
this occasion he should deliver but very few words,
and he should, as he had said already, avoid
those topics on which he apprehended there might
be some variety of opinion. With regard to
the • manner ire which the Volunteers had come
forward, he should say but little,.because it was a
subjeCt on which panegylick would be lust. He
should not attempt to praise the manner in which
the Duke of NORTHUMIIER.LAND had offered to
raise a thousand men, and to support !heof all
at his own expence these were topics beyond
all praise, and he should not attempt to describe
them, nor was it essential they should have his
approbation : heeWat about to propose to them
that on which they would set a much higher vaher,
and what they would feel with the greatest regard,
the Thanks of that House. But before he 'made a
Motion to this effeet, it was necessary he should
make a few observations on sonic topics that were,
closely connected with it. Some doubts had been
entertained on the principle, of the Defence Bill, be.;
cause it was nut distinetly understood, whether or
not any person belonging to a Volunteer Corps ac-
cepted by His Majesty, is exempted from the Dril.
ling in the Masse under the provisions of the Ad. He

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'weithe (note apprehensive of this inisConCeptioti
having taken place; from what he. had lafelOteartt
from several liartS of the Country; whemtluise •
doubtshad been entertained to a considerable;
especially la 'Hampshire; this he, believed to have
eriset from a. Misinterpretation , of' My Lord Rom,
It Ari4Letter upon obis sttbjeCt, which was printed ,
in a. Newepapet—tHere lie read an: Extrect loon
that Lettere —and then..proOeded .to observe, that
it was meant to exempt from Drilling in the Masse '
all those Districts wher.:in the Volunteers were
equal to-six times the number of the original Mill,
tia.in such Districts: it was in such ease, an,f in
such only, that the District -vas to. he exemott.4
from the discipliee of Drilling en M. 1.5 ie., bit: by the
Letter he had alluded to and re:.' an extracl from,
it appeared to some, that those who o•ere Volimiee re..
might possibly be subjeet 'to the dio;ipline of .. r- '
Masse, which was an error of, jadgaieutaloo
nut be correCled too soon, for it operated as
trooooragetnent ao.the Voluntary S.rvice, to. o .
that although lien might
,become Volunteers, they .
might nevertheleits-be sobjeet to the 'coercive itose.,;„,,
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sures of by AEI, and be Drilled en Masse t this. was:
not the sense of the Aa, and that false impression ,
could not be too soon removed, for the true mean-
ing, as he understood it, was this (and if he wee , ..
wrong he should be corzeßed), that in those Diso
rrias , where the Volunteers were equal to three:.
fourths of :he Class under the Army en Massi Bell,
or equal to -six times the' number of the original ,"
Militia fOr such Distri6l, then that Distal should ,
be exempted from that Drilling en Masse. This,
was a point on which he knew a great deal of minim.
detstanding had gone forth. But to proceed on the
subjeft it was his more immediate wish to bring be. .
fore the House, be must observe, there user some
ffi in
dete the piesent practice of the Vu unteet
'System : one defeCt arose out of the mode of: loath., • ..
ing the-Valunteex, the high price of some or w. 14144 i.-. ,
froth theirolashion, were almost ineredibleTifttte!
were menyeto whom this expence was no olaje(I biz -
there were thnusaods of others who could, indttedi
bear the expense of it, but who ought not to be
placed in a situation in which they cannot avoid it
without reproach, because they could not bear it
without some injury to their families. To remedy
this delta, and it certainly was a vety considerable
one, he thought that the. Uniforms should be es
plain as possible, fOr our busitietis *as not to thew a
costly outside, or a gaudy coat..-ft matter of what
stuff that was matte, it was the mita the heart it
covered that was the true terror to Bonaparte....
This was a point worthy of consideration to GI. .
verement, and he should like to see this system of .
expensive clothing the Viilunteera, altered for a .
frugal habit, such as might be used by men in their
business, ors well as in their military ehatader. He
was aware that there should be some distinction in
dres between Volunteers and others, and he was
aware that the ardour of thc`Peoplerequired it more
now than ever, and he remembered to what a degree
of enthusiasm this had been carried in the course of
the last War, and particularly in Ireland, where
every Volunteer appeared in his uniform, even on
occasions the most remote from military objeets—
not only the Members of Parliament, but the Stran.
gets in the Gallery were all climbed in their toli.
form, and so were the Courts of Justice--so much
so, that the Judges upon the Bench would hardly
call on a Counsel fora Mmion, unless he , had his
uniform under his gown—the principle was a good
one, but it need not be expensive it, the practice.
A Volunteer should be so dtessed as to be known
from others, and that was enough. , Hpinusaill
this upon the Dress, he would next say . aeftw
words on the places of exercise of the Voluntects;
He was of opinion that these places should; be:-es
secluded as possible ; the men should not beopeb.
'licly exhibited until they possessed sufficient skill
to appear to advantage, and then they would •ap.
pear with comfort to themselyeeebecause they would
be conscious of their ability. There was a great
deal in this, for it was a hateful thing for men to
be ridiculed in the pursuit of such an object as this.
There were many men, and they were some of the
'bravest, who could not endure the idea of being
ridiculed, although they would 'treat any danger
with contempt ; who would stand to be shot at sooner
than be laughed at. He had heard that the Duke
of PO RT LA N D had given up the front of his house for
the purpose of: training men ; this was most lauda.
Isle, and very cot venent, for there the men were
not exposed, there being a Wall between !Ilene and .
the open street. There 'was e.place called Lord'e
Cricket Ground, the prat:lice at which was very
reprehensible. The field was very large, and let
out to Volunteers for their exercise ; but for six. -
pence a piece, the curious, the idle, and the giddy
might enter, look and laugh at men who were tio.
ing their best to he fit for the purpose of defending
their Country in the hour of peril : this was a tr4t.
ter which should some how or other be regulated.
As to the laudable spirit of Subscription which had
shewn itself in the City, he must observe, that he
knew the names of persons who had not come fora
ward, . and who, he had no doubt, would do so,
and many of them: were persons of whom their
Country had a right to expeft'essistance in money,
since it was ant of their power to serve it in any
other. way : but he did not think that these ; Sub,
scriptioos should be confined entirely to the :par.
Poses for which they -are at present agreed toot*
, appropriated, as appeared upon the face of theoid.,
vertisement. To provide sot those who signalized
themselves by merit it, attiu., and for the families
of those who may fall in the field of battle, WAS a
noble purpose nu doubt, but yet lie thought thet
sonic of this inducement ought to be held out to
those to come forward and who may signalize them.
selves, or the families of thOse who may fall in the
defence of their Country in the Army of Reserve.

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it complete security, anti that spirit slould he
cherished in all instances in which it was possible.
AS to the mighty force which we were now about to
"'foie?, there was no doubt Government would have
4 great responsibility, for the 1,14 C of it ; but on
the disposal of that Force, he should not say a
svorti. He had heard a great deal in that House,
fad he owned, without intendingin offend-any=one, •
he wished he had not heard so much upon the sub-
of.divetaing. rifeartte:Military Force, by. Mil
pary men as well as by others in that Honie. He
say' lint little on'thii7subjeft,,nor
; deed thiok it one that. was,'well' adapted for'muth
disctissitin id that Hotise ;,Nitre there %vas one part
even of that topic to which, he could not help ad.
. ;
verting—aat was that which related in the nature.
theFoiee to-he
,raised' thus' voluntarily. ; sorne
*litary Men might be cifovinced that a larger`Rgtle
lar Force would be better than this. Voluntary
Service ;, these :Gentlemen iooked at thernidtet-
' with a Soldier's eye "merely, and they over.
looked the:rConstitution of this Country look.
ing at the-spirit' of than Constitution, and the
habits avid temper of the People whit lived under
' • it," he bad no: difficulty in saying that the Force
of this Country was mere agreeable to' him on
account of being so diversified, than if they
had'beett all Regulars ; they Were• more consonant-
tti onr feelings ant! our train of thinking, than if
they were all a Regular Army. If he were asked
'Whether toci,coo men of a:,Regulai Army would
not be more effieiem than an equal number of.Vo.
lunteers, he Would say,,untloubt,..tlly in the first in.
stoats ; but from- the very nature of our Cnnsritu.
tiOn, it was impossible we should haire a' Force in '
the Way of a Regular Force, so large as that which
vhicil we now had of those who cable. forward
' yoluroarilva -We were, not going' into a Con-
tinental, War, in Order to have al Military Rego-
lar Force, but We were going to' raise a large.
body of rnen to defend the Country ; %vc must
from the very nature of our situation have a cons.
plicated and iliverSifiett. force to defend us--,they,
were composed of •Regulart; Cavalry, and Infantry,
of Militia, of Felieildes:, and of Volunteer Corps.,
In constitution like ours, this 'was the only h•ys..
tern; arid he bud tin hesitatinnin saying, that he
looked to it with perfeet c nfidente,. and to •say it
Would give as COMplerlt prOtettion again••t any Cur.
my, at the same time preserve our liberties en.
Orel, hut lie thought that much ilisaretion ought to
be 1.14 d by Giver onfent , for there were 'uncertain.
ties In the I esr constituted Armies that ever cx.
iroted. We should remember that iii France an Ar.
DIY well trained and disciplined, and connetled with
ti e Throne so intimately at •to be supposed' to be
inilks:olu lily attached to it', gave up that Country to
anarchy. Here he begged out to be miiunderstood,
lie did), t inc,th itt insinuate any thing against the
loyalty of the People of this. Country.; 'no man ever •
believed -more coafitntly' than he did, that the
whole of thi,. C4tifry waSentirely-loyal : he be...
lieved tit it no part of this 'vlorld was ever, mare
alftchel to its GoVeiriment than the People of this
Ofunit; were at this hour: they were all colt.
lvinc•!ti that this filter: was eecessaty to support the
I,reseot War, and they looked at lhe present War,
at the only meal's of obtaining Peace and •as to
roarer if it mild be obtained with yeti', ft honour
and security to us, he was sure- we could have no
objeaion to it; and he was sure he was speaking
the s:litiMCntS,Of His Majesty's Ministeri, that no
Peace would lie ever trtitatcdpf 'while there was an
hotilc Army in thii CoUntry, 'and if he thought
there Was t'ee slaulo%v of a
.stspicion upon that sub.
should even o. tnight move that the man
Who should propose to treat with Fra.nce while there
was 'one hostile Frenchman In England, should be
deemed a Traitor, and atrainted. He said, he had
no purpose abstained frdtn those topics on which
there was likely to be any difference of opinion; for
lie was desirous of tthanitnity upon this occasion,
and all he aimed at was that of recognizing by a
Vote of that House, the brave spirit of the Volun.
teens of this Onuhtry. He hoped not Only that •
there wthtld • not be any 'opposition to this measure
in the Flouse hiir also that there would be nothing
4“iti'vut of doors when they should separate, tend.
trig to bring. Administration into ditirepute.---.
Reilifttions of this sort should indeed be- abstained
from, altogether, for they never answered any
,good, purpose. Gentletnen dispUte in the
house .61 Coriblioni ai iinteli as they 'pleased;
bat let thein illicbarge the Whitle of their political
aaniittottfy in the House, carry none of it abeut
thetia Otit 'them leaVe it all behind them
On the biOelies Of the Hntrie, as Gentlemen left their
Meats to keep Weir places until they rettirned again,
and tvltenParliatheot, now *boot to separate; rota
again, le hop4l they would' Meet With one heart
hand in, the glorious' cause in which we are
• andlhat pity mutiyes would Settl.fte
(tis,tl zny amnr ti i .or ii WC Were UnalitriOnSi
as indeed •he believed. %ie tv'efe, oothiog could
endanger this Cotiniiy; while no the Contrary; divi.
titans aod dii-tratiloni might endaneer"its •existence.
had notfilng. btit that in the course he
was nOw,YoulOg, oe w.f.. following a precedent in,
QV: rarlizUnent,--11' his first ~vlr.,tic:rl:shtuid be
carried, he intended to fellow it up by another,
which idtotild lood, the subjea down to our posterity
us a Li:OHMIC. CieaMple. llr then Moved, 41 That
the Thanks- of this l'lonse he given to the several
Nentetaery find Volunteer Corps of the United
Kingdom, for the promptitude arid zeal which, at a
cri;fis v't InOrneottaas , o their Country,' they have
Manifested for its defence."
Gkirra G WS'COY.NE said, he did note4se to
, ,
toake atiy to nit, motion offered to the
Honse by the lion, aittaair,,,,s);
Aced if there wits any ohjotthwt to: Whielt the ,Moe
alto was liable, it wa a of so it ivial kontore, as not
to: merit remark : lie however stood up to pay that
just ttilmte of ptai.,e elite to Mtn, who hive in'the
hour 0t• ;eril and danger; offered their services' for
tha taipport thtii ftountry. lie did not know
any terms sufficiently strong ao convey his,,,anprolra.,
tiora of men, who have to6lticed their domettic coin.
torts for Sold'ier's life., and who have shewn SO
liVdy ILOSC of vAcaion for ibeir-King and Conni.
try. 'lime llbo. Gentleman then took a short view
of dlr. different VoliMteer Cr-irpi, and particularly al.
bided to "the Temple Associatioo,.- wh hail wished
to limit their Service, Notwirh3tandii the itbai.
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Anti, ICSVCCIaUitity 01 toe W.-1/CittlriOCO ,viit.;_it.v4l
that Coys, he did not approve of their prispp,ti:
tinny, or the. tUtStitla-kMt ObSer . in it, as to •
theperSolit they admit' ~ to 21) . hem : it , wiis
true, tk il 1.4 w ist as h 0
o . red ll'ithe 'Natp ac•
4,4
4,
the IVlaifer ondie Rolisti id oth4„efninent charac-
ters in the Law—but this was. a moment when
every man's services were wanted, theretbre, trif-
ling-. distinniOns should nut be attended tc) in the
field—he would not have any man adopt the clea.
veer of a Soldier who was ab'OVe a Vrivatewlille in
the Meld,, as every
persists
Was lotitiCti in notice a nil
respen,syho as'sociated in-tine common cause, .10 re-
pel a dangerous Enemy.. qpwards of 300,000 V 0...
lantern would soon be ready to give their set vices
in case of actual invasitin, and therefore, from their
great increase of Military Force, he Vi.4hed that
GOVerninent ~11:Atiti not entirely: at on a•defersslVe
system, but , make an offensive .attack oil- the.:
Enemy with. the .RegulaeForce of the Cpuniry:-*
He was sure; tho,e. lirave inter) would-be pr9uil , to;,
hair an oppoitmity to gain laurels on an Entirty's,.
Shore, which the Enemy -may nut give diem an
opportunity-. to augnire on this .• Coast.,-11' en
offensive attack was made on the French, .they
would then sec the, siitit 'of. this Nation ; they
would. see that this was an Armed Nat i;o1,-and equal
in spirit and energy to any Nation in Europe. and
•
what is more, that our Soldiers fought from a pure .
love for their King :t d Country, and not ,the:
Siaves of a, Tyrant. He hail been infortn:'d that
there was a Corps 'about to be raised by Men of
•Fcrtune : if this was the intention of the rw.,..iin
anti, wealthy part of d:e luhabitiants in tit! West of
London, he must he permitted to express his djs.
approbation of the plan ; a greater enc.:urageanent ,
would be given to the People of this Country, if
these powerful charatters were to mix in Volunteer
Corps, and assume an individual rAtik, rather than
assemble together, by which their wealth, power
and influence, would be of little general use at this
critical moment. But to conclude, he thought the
force the Country would have in it few weeks would
lILICe. us 11CVOIld the roar 01. an eoemy. . ~
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Mr,CHAPMAN expressed his high approbation
'of the Motion ; •hut observed,' that he hatilbeen de.'
sired to express the surprize that several Officers in
the Exist rid, Service had felt, in t.ot having re.
ceived an answer to the offer of their services tu Go.
vernment.

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Lord C ASTLEREAGH said it was true, as the
House might oaturally eXpeCi, that all the Officers
'of the East India setvice-,now Great Britain had
offered their services. to Government, upon the pre.
sent occasion'; and that their services had not been
accepted, but he 'wow,' venture to affirm their offers
had been received with• al tention,'and every demon. •
st ration e f rex fat respt tt, winch indeed- the dia..'
rafters of these Officers demanded; Their 0%6
had been tran;initied from time ro time to the high.
est Tinter,
:and the Commander in Chief had most
haii(fsom,ly a;:knii.s, hedged I he,teeeipt of their offers,
in t,..rin's roost satislat'iory to these hloo. Gentlenn.
I lc ail n0(14:flow wheilir some of therm would be.
actually appointcd or no ; a ddkulty stood in the
way et tio'ir al' A).,'llLinelir nn till, occasion, for many
of thew Ofikeni forlon,:hs that were liiiiirt;!ti
in point t)1 time, and not 1.1:e she Officers on half_
pay,
,I;2t. they roust tern n expiration 01 their
I ',Houghs.. As In th‘ tctlyr of the Noble Lora tvlticii
had been alltided to,
,it..ciearly meant only, that
the Volunteers stinuld. be equal to diter.,Urtits of
the First Class, or six riffles the Origin:)
that the astfict wherein thlt sh slid 1, ,i,peo m;ghl
be excused fr fir)' Clau,e In the An.
111r.VIND11.131enteredmach at lar4e
.
subjea, in the course of which lie toylc occasion.
to ear,' that it had been imputed to him toat he had'
spoke in a disparaging manner of "the Militia and
the Volunteer Corps. NOW he had never spoke,)
disparagingly of either.. As to' the Volunteers, he
had said of them, that he confided in their zeal and
public spirit, and' he had 'no doubt -they would do
their duty, as far as they-were capable of serving
the State. As to the Militia, he bad never sixikpo
disparagingly of diem either, nor any thing more
than that they .were not quite equal to a regular
Army that had seen sery ice. As to the dissatis.
faction he was supposed to have given, or that the
proceedings of the House Might have beets supposed
to give him, he hoped, for the credit of the Nation,
there was no dissatiifaelion at what was said in the
HoUse of 'Commons. He saw • no: credit in-being
di satisfied where there was no cause of offence,
and" there certainly could be no such eatise, where a
Member of ParliaMent spoke his sentiments as he
felt themi•in thai House ; but he must protest against
the do trine which 'prohibited a Member of Parlia.
anent 'fro 'lnlaying whtit bethought, lest4t shoUld
dissatisfy somebody.---He should say, that the Ad-
ministration which proceeded or did not proceed art
measures as they either satisfied or dissatisfied some
class of individualS, was indeed the very' worst
speeier of Administration this Country could have.
Therefore if Ministers asked thenssel yes,'" %vitas will
the
.Gentletrien of the' Militia-or the Gentlemen at
Lloyd's Coiree.houst say of us," they • proceeded
not in the tfne way for managing our affairs at any •
time, stilness Vitasat the way oldisposing of thetriat
the'present Most momentous crisis, a'nd thiitdeled lie
thought he found in the condo& •of-the present• Ad.
Ministration. As to the Volunteers, and' the
Thanks noW propdsed to- be voted to them, he did
not know very well how to oppose the Motion ;
the Hon. Gentletnan who madeit,' hardly left him
the option whether. he should•oppOse it or not ; be.:
cause when Thanks are proposed to any class of oer.
sonS, it does not leave the subjet in the same situa.
tido, as if noThanks had been moved; it was similar
to the caber of a singer upon the stage,' when pall 'of
the audience called out 's encore,' in which nobody
could'Oppose it without appearing to•dilapprove of
111e'performariee. •But as,a Volunteer, he would Say
upon this occasion to the tiourie—" Do not thatili
rs yet, but stay until We have dianeisomething to
deseil Mit.111;ItlIC a beeilllSC WC` it re
Volunteers eseeciilly When 'it is 'said that We 'have
entered into the Volunteer Service 'as reftige
against coMpulsory Such would. be .11V
language as a Volunteer. Now he 'wished' the
'Hous`e to consider what the Thanks of the HotHeot
Colvirrions were.--they • were the greatest. -atnl, the
hiilsest boon' that could be granted fOr
•
iiistiri-
gutsh 'merit, It is,as all that the braviAquy that
gained flu-mortal fame in Egypt had, They •wcte the

e L i 1t

I.l4ljcaL) a

,tyr,e.4. far the rucht victories that were
e.v'tr-,clltained by 44 („Lan • tut, why it
„,was to. be
litimwtrron ever maytwho h uctittred tEe 4harae.
ter of a Volunteer, 'nneVthat too, irrnitiny instances, to
avoid compukion, wqt thitigi,whictritt owned he did
not comprehend—Thank the Voittiriers when they

11:111 have Bonaparte, ,it might be itp.

propriate enough, but to grant the hiecsi boon the
11.)use,Ithd ,its power to be:,t67-5, netriaTliefcqe
they frad'dcoe any: thing,. except entering to avoid
compulsion;4weate4 to him to be a-measuit with-
out sense,"oifoandation. With regard to the.duarine—
throWn out by tit!. Gentleman,on. Gentlean, that militeiry
fit
to be discussed in that lioubet
boAttild tot, assent to it; Ete.dinitteu his 'own Walla
knowledge upon military Matters, kit •ye.t he
could nOt surrender the right of delivering his ()pi-
:llion upon them in that HOuse, after hearing-the
Opinion of others, and' borrowing light from them.:
Such must be the case 'in the 'affairs of all'War,
from the very nature or things ; the King's Cabinet .
%vas composed chi fly of Men Who were not military
in their education or habits, and yet thev,had not only
to consider, but toidetermineupon the most ill).

rrtant Military Affairs—,n they could do,-was to
coned Ilbni others all the- information they were.
capable 'of toceiviog, and then judging as well as,
they were alAe' by the rules of common sense, which--
was the only sense that 'could guide us in' the affairs
. .. .

of this life. It was in this w'ay he. claimed the privi-
,
!e,lge cif 1, lining his opinion, and occasionally deliver.
inn - it in that House, on Military or-any, Affairs.--;
It Was, .he bald, unsale: tO:stippose that an adailion

'of numbers- to an- Army was necessarily an addition,
of strength. If Might. be said, that if they did no.
good, they would do no harm, .butt, on the. contrary,
if they did no good. they„woold do great deal of
harm ; they, weuld obstruct the tootle', consume th I e
.provisions,'antl be' a great depositaty for panic.
An Officer 'would naturAly say,, '' let me have a
smaller force,, so .as I can but depend upon it :"
thus, with reseed to the ProvisiOnal Cavalry raised
in the last War, it wattetheaedent wish of every
Commander that that force tnight never come near
him. It was to be, lamented thet measures had not
been taken at an early period toeincceete the Regu-_,
lar Force in a largo proportion, buc- having dune
that, he ,would_ then have wished to have passed
to a force entirely irregu!ar. Wr!Llt he meant
when he spOke of ;inning the people was, not that
they should be formed into .corps, and embodied
as at preseeeteebet that_, they should be_genecalll4:
trained to the roost useful part of, military die-
eo'etsetleat they might be rendered capable
of being, usefelly ettaeinefl to the, •artny. upon., any,
necessity eristeg. The great protection of- thfe,
Country 'Would be an armed resident populat!on ;
they ought tube trained as a sort oliodselifght
fanery, ro learn oeiektiese in loading, and eXPert.,
'less iat firing; ,by which means' they might 1011-tete"?'
an invartirg 'enemy like :r' swarm, and harassetlieni
upen 'every' nerw,ion.. One or two pitched battles
:would not then decide tliCetient; 'loft -it-Weide he'
a continued conteit from the moment the Enemy,
:set fo'ot art shore. He was .of opinioo that the,
501 C cf tr;tining intended by the Bid lately passed,'
should not by any means be excluded by the forma-
persons who were
then be 'Adebeihd,,
and
,reoy. _for; use the. regular ketiments. Itt
appeared to him; that by the present mede of carrYe
ins the Bill into execution, no uselol purpose had'
been ,produced : a great deal if noise had been
made, and the wlt Country had been in a bitatle,
bUt as yet no force had been produced ; the pro-
duce of ad their.. July brewinge would, it appear.'
. ed, not be fit to drink rib Cheistmas. Ile thought:
if simple means had been resorted le, a inure' vale_ able force might have been oi) Brined ; au(l With
respect to the idea of intimidating the Enemy by
means of the general disposition and spirit of the
Country, it' was childish to suppose that they did
not know as well as ourselves what we were
about. He must enter 163 protest against the
idea, that the Volunteer system ought to preclude
resorting to a system of compulsion. The Hun:
Gentleman (Mr. Sit ERID AN ) had expressed 'a hope
that all
,party keling would be buried until they
met :wee!). 'With reseed to this sUbjeCt, it should
,herecolleeted that there were .two species of oppo-
sition, the one 'which took measures as they were
brought forward, anti entleavoitred to •make them
good, and another which traversed every measure '
broug.h4 forward.by Government, which opposedea
:Wer up(77-177iinciele which applted no elriiifis
indiscritninetely, and "a' tax teem a principle which
'applied n; filltart's 'flit former he (Mr.'We
HAM) and his friends had .pursued; the latter
he: left to the Ilan Gentleman and Inis frieteds..
Marty measures' had gone out of thet House in. a
.Much better state than that in which they had been
brOught in, through 'the means of the exertions of.
'those with whom he (Vlr. Wiett)teete) had The hoe.
mita to aft ; and he defied art instanoe to belihewn
of any fadioneopposition on the part of himself or
his friends. If measures were brought foe-tverd rot'
the safely, the Ceuntry,: there was nodotibt rhea
they Ought to he fikpiiried t but was that support.
,toelreve:tvieli ito iipproba OW): ,the COndiatt of.
Ministers,or en oblivion Of all their peir eonduCt?'
Againit'ittli doiftrine he mast tenter hit protest.
If Ministers did not deserve the cenfid'enee:.of the
people, they height not to have it ; but for Mem.'
bersof that House to attempt to tinceal the imbe.'
6114, or Nlinistet4, was the worst gactialliat
that means the,
_Country
could be pursued, as by
rwieuld bt lulled into a false security,, anti be found.
leaning upon a broken s,taff. As 'to the Motion it-
self, if the'llon."Gentlemari (Mr. Stet toee):wish.'
etl,to he a Master pt the Ceremonies, edge bout
complimenting every man who. entered into Vo.:
. hunted Corps, .or the Gentleman U4ili to intro.
duce' them, he-had ea objeefinn.
T SE G 017413. Y t grA R said, that :with re,
sped vto a ear part o
fwhat had been said by' the
-Right Hon..Gentlernan (;e4r, erottete), lie con-
fe,sed he ditl no uederstend Melt :that 'Right lien.
Gentleman. meant, When the Right Hon.: Gentle_
man talked. of a resident armed population to be
armed iis loese.leight InfentrY, which w)uld be the
best possible assistance to_ a Reguler Force,, and at
the same time objeeted tomeasurebsoilt;kaetnati%esroto.
cure that epecies offorce, he was
uudentantl what the Right Hon. Gentleman meant.

i

i

ment as erroneous, at so very early a period after
the passing of the Ad alluded to, how was it pos.-little for the Right Hon. Gentleman to know pre.
cisely, what was intended to be done by Govern.`
ment with respell to this force? It was at present
only known, that in conform:ly with the Proeisi.
ons of the every eticoue.igement had been
given to the tormation'of Volunteer Corps; hut
rte.—Right lion, Gentleman couldinrigine, at
the present moment, so-short. a time after the pa*,
3it1;,... the. 44.44. that ,„tite.whole force interdA to be
)rodgrittirWtrinitir-67'hi-COnfilicd ti, Volunteers:,
be:Avas:at-a h,ss to understand, lie did not ,rctise:
the Right lion. Gentleman casting r,fl;..ttions;
ppon'theNilitia,:or. the VOlunicers, Ott d he mug
admit that On' Wcri; tot.et.faal.itt many resreds
the Revd hut he muNt,sar, once-f•, r all, much
as he repedcd .thy, Right lko..Gentleman, that,
they had a right to c(lnplain that that Right Hon.
Gentleman should now give the whole •weight of
his audio; ity to criticisms upon the :-errors of those -
measures, whil3t at,,alc pciii,;.,l when that Right
Flort..-Gmtleman had% suit in the Cabinet he did 'not
avow those oiiinions wl:ichlie now brought forward.
At that period, duripg the last War,
the yolun.
text System was cd tried, to as great an txtent mat
present ; the Militia the Sallie ; and yet tile Right
Hon'. Gentleman;-'with- his' opinions respelling the
danger of the Countly,.m hidit not then so great
OS Raw, was nearly so,
had not ditn. thought it his
duty to state those sentiment% by which he was ac'
tuated.; as to 'the erroneous nature of the Volunteer
and 'Militia Systems, he thought ,the 'Volunteer
System a, good one, and an 'admirable mode of itt-.
creasing the Public Force, 'and`-that. it had beso:
upon the present occasionNery .properly resorted to.
The Right Hon. Gentkinan- hall, however, found
out ilia; it was the intention ofGovernment to eon.
•

fit:it themselves entirely to thit Volunteer Force.
Where did the Riht Hon; Gentleman discover this ?
He had no hesitation in saying, that in dill rent
harts of the County the description of, Volunteer
Force requisite might Ile. very different. In some
placs large butlierc of VOlunteers,would be best; I"
i
others, it would be better if•they were 'Untied into
Independent Compfnies ; in" other places, pethAVst
'it would be better if they were. nut itirmed, into
:Cumpanies at-alt. But as to Liying down any.ge-
neral. system, it'w;,s la*To,,sible ;• it must depenti•
uporrlocalecireurnstances, and the danger to which
P•ati,;4l.4.4tattsMi.ght br, e_24p4seci, Slaving I,tatetl.
ithis, lie hoped he had coqvine,ed the ''.louse tint If.,
A. • -'.II ;genera priii,..tp e upon LID; sul Jea could be apt,
lied
.1.0 4:lovernmilt at the present in?..ment. Ministers
•e,ae.l" urtier' a great responsibility ; let them 'be
-judged by the mea,ttres they adopted, and not, Bc—
cording to pre-conceived opinions . The Rt.. 14013.
'Gentlemait hail said, that the measure made aStutr '
noise, but predated ii', forcei he- wit.' surprize4lerev • •
hear this troni 'the:lkiittlt Hon.' Geffillitlang 10° .•
could toot, have given laticsett rime' to cxaini,e iiitt?
etrcumstanceu The. Public force was filling ill'
't10111'da); to day, and in no ,very considerable Ital.
:the Country most be placed.aboVe.all danger. it
thrteitettlirtes-vms, - only looked -to,.theys:iiatio,l"."m; ‘
even there the public Spirit of the'people-was t"'"..l.
that the public (nice was receiviry die ,nc.),t cut''''
.tlerable a ugmen tat ior. s day by day. Wilirresi'cct
' to the Cottony, he tad ni means gk, „lit of
numb
aElly lociwic,g clic,. nu:r yi Voltl•Ni‘Ae,.;
t
might say that Itont too to tso,coo hilt :are 1
' been added to the Public Force. Ile was persttatl-
ed that 11 Volunteer Force contrihurLd greatly s 0
the . safety of the Country, and no lioness .0131
would refuse xo pay 'a:tribute to 016 gallantry',"‘: '
zeal with which the. Volunteers It itrcome ft.triv‘q"
upon-the present occasion. , 'file P.;gitt lion:Ger!.
, ..,,,,
tial'in !lif‘i..s:iid, tinit'• 10 vale tirt: Ti,;oiks we i)1,1 14
prematttre.; but this ,wai a 'cri;is ia .t'hich 59 tuacr''
dijit424l lic safeti_dcpcmlL-ii u,,ori the,zettl of III,:
Country,, thatlie was persha led till~ s',.li one of ti.i'
occasions in which they ought to relax 'their eenef'll
rules. The present•Moticin• was, too, lit) t tliiPre'
cedentetri, a sithilar t:Thtion *as 'passed at the c°""
ctusion..of the. last. W.ar, aner-92 man could of
that the energy of the •Voluf,teers at that Peri°°i;
great,, ;IA it, was, exceeded the pre,,ent. It.
I"'
been said that the, Yultinrecri of Dublin nijS.hc t?
be 'thanked fur saving. the capital, which 'was en-
danger.ed by the negligenee of 'the Goveriiirwrir:..llti
dented,-,howaver, that the !capital wai,er,thirige'e, ,
by the negligence of the Goveratnenr,. or thAt l'
was saved'tty the .Voruntee r,f, a garrison of .tilfee
~
or four.-thoOSM'd 'trten--beiftg- in that city, w'''
whom the Voluriteers'eo:kyerated. '.
i'
, . ~
.111, cti.veLEs 1),..Lv:),d5 observed, thst.we-
spirit which at.',pr. '-''.',.t ,!....i-red• in tlre Count;.)'.
ought to_ be cher i.:.1;e,i,. 'A' it 11 relptltalto What '114"
I;eett said—by •the i6g:it 1.1914.j.a.,.-1111aitiii- (546
' N't:lN,,l-1,1.m) 'relativetoiiinell.pyikiiipak,,coyliltfo
he (Mr. Cli AiLES flu N 1) A 1 COlllll3 iiiivil (Mi. of tl'e
Regiments of that fircc: in clic, 1,1,t \\.',,r, the alt"'
cipliile (,-,f which retived the ;.,,Trib,,riurt of.
141
veral 'Generals"; and he; defi.'d the Right i:fr,
Geneictn:n to bripg arty' General will; wottlol
-that he did not .wi,.ii that Rtg..l,le.;t to c(,ine l'el
.Iritnin: a inilitart, ii;,iilt of , view, At the, I'l'll°,
• • 013.
everyr"°a!e.'A'.
he coulti du as a soldier ; the Country cottloi ',
b-6r -th7e'ex;'enee Csf,a Regular Army to that ce:teTt;
:•-antk.4l-4:VOltoteer force would nut • Only S*l ve I.
iP
'Court r '
'but save its purse in a more amt.-er •
•t egree. ~
.
.' '‘_ .Mr. \V IND11..1:1 CXiblilell.
,dslr. .1171 Lll E. id;,..4 .Y C ii, 5i...1.; that altbnagh ./116:
approved of, a-A • atltnired the public spirit, iviii,...
. :was displayed from one epd.of the Kingdom to e.
°tiler, yet he coulti.nothelp thinklog that tlie.Yl,..
sent Motion was rather prenuture ; it vvoul",:ld
pear as if they were surprised, that the reor 1,,..
England had come forward, to assist their Couf,litili
Lie, thought it might be better if they wane,' ,
•,' i i teas 03'
' time atou opportunity ' oil,:r,d for the Volvo.- i eg.
displayed ' their native br.; very and spirit i' . hr
Plaits! .of valoUr.. il,-;,, thoUght - 111,-1 th' i`iligtile,
'lion. Gentleman (Mrs•Wrsottmkt) ind beco a
oder-
stand.- the. Right lion. Gentleman him'-F''* .0.
~1121&'ir'euendtI.-ewrsittrl'iißllti'mt,bl:ousgvelvehre., ttliviathn:etst::et:4'itt'lY:,'l..s te.1111:1;
.-limse.tts, as to,a,n irrg. ul,tr force, 39 I/ !s I 11'f.,}itir";,,,,I:r(1 ill
.etn'aodyte.g those Volunteers who Ceme, ' twin an .
tiled:Act-me. of theieCountry wou4ti nor give t.,„ritry
, • •,... ,1 (Tani. ....
opportunity of disOlaying t lia..t bpiru ,to- p sop"
$ which they naturally possessed. ifSirSiddel

had had a regnlarOllicer of he must
for his credit's sake,. have declared the place to be
untenable, and delivered it up. He could, have wish.
ed that his Right Hun. i.cmd over the way (the
SECRETARY at WA it) had htenmore explicit upon
one topic, he meant that respet.`ting. the Intention of
Government to train a number of persons in each
Parish equal to six times the number of the old Mi.
• litia. , When it was considered, that from many
parts of the Country the Regulars and the Militia
might be withdrawn, it was important the defence
of these parts should not be left. to the native eners
gies of the
.People, without' having a sufficient num.
,!
'ber to defend' them; It must be evident, that :Vo-
lunteers could not be reckoned upon as the same
number of Soldiers ready for idiots. Many persons ,
came forward as Volunteers, who, from age or ha-
bit
of life, were in a great measure incapable of ac-
tive service, for which reason he thought the Vo-
lunteer Service ought not to preclude the training
of others. NO diredirnis appeared' to have 'been
given with resoett to forming the Volunteers, into
particular Classes; it seemed to him that the same •i
system of classification which was pointed our io
The Bill, should be pursued with relic& to the VO.
lunteers. He thought that it would be better that
young and old should not he placed' in: the same
company, hut that the young-men, who were better
capable Of active service, should be placed in diS.
Lind companies. If the Bill 'was carried into
effcd, Government would knoW exadly the- num,.
her of men in each Distrid who had been
trained to arms.; but under the Volunteer • sys.
tem, that could not be knoWn, ,as the Volutiteer
consisted of persons of all ages who could not all he
capable of adive service. He thoUght very highly
of the Volunteer System, hut-he wished 'to protest
against givitig..up all the advaotages he had pointed
tout .for the sake of that system. With resped to
sherallosion which had been matte to the Vo unteer
Corps formed of Gentlemen-of high rank, he was
convinced that no degree of spirit would he Want-
ing on the part of those Gentlemen ; but hiS
sedinn., to the isrunatien of such Corps •the
Consideration
wog
consideration of the influence possessed by each of
those Gentlemen, by means of o Inch, in,,reatl of
forming one Corps of goo men, they might raise
5 or 60Q0. There was one circumstance, to which
be wishes.: particularly to call the attention of Mi.-
nisterssand that was with respeCt to furnishingarms
:to the numer.•us bodies of men who had coma for-
ward in delenee of their Country ; if they totildnOt
provide one species of arms they might 'another.
conclud2d by paneiyrizing in warm terms the
:spirit displayed in the Country, and the detertnina.
lion evinced to resist 'the Enemy With the utmost
vigour and eft' & - •
Mr.' ARCHDALL commenced upon some of the
tilts-creations of Mr. W !1St:111M% VAqiiie wit he said
Was generally displayed to inkJst advantage on the
wrung side of a (pest ion. The measures alluded to
could not have been bronght: forward till the spiiit
(4 the Country was in unison with that of Parlia.
neut. Ile did not think the einduet:of the Right
Eon, Gentleman, and those who aded with him,
had been calculated to give elf. d to the energies of
the Public. Upon the King's Message respeding
Ireland, the Right lion, Gentleman opp 'sed the
films of the House to the measure proposed upon
that occasion, in' 'allusion • to which he could not
litlp supposing a case of a father informing hiS chil-
-4,i't,l•Ahat his housewas 'fire 'and required their as.
s'stuiee,. who, :in- return, -' determined that they
"41 take twenty-four hours' toconsider °Mt.
Mr. FRANC! ,S'• ctrl t, lie had no intention in
to• address the House,; to say any thing
against tile Motion, huahe:meint to make a remark
with to what foil from the last Hon. Gentle.
than. had coDgratni,tea us on leaving the House
for a few months in perteet unanonity : lie hoped no
individual would leave the House with a spark 'of
Animosity in hi; bosom, against-any Membe of that
Assembly. Btu he supposed that Hon. Gentle Man
Lad greater reasou to be pleased that we were in
poseessioo of some valuable. information with reseed
To the pefence of,the Country. He was extremely
ii"Por to hear that a Military Council was Aniut
to he .formed, and he was .sate such :in esiSblish_
merit woutd bean objed'of much -satisfadion not
`).flir to the Hon. Gehtleman,but every thinking. man
!It the. Country.
Cotmel 'CR e'o R said we were now about.
to hCtStCRst a, panegyric on- those persons who are;
• formed .iito Volunteer Corps, - but whose military
prow,s. yet:Onknown to the- House ;• he there.
tore thought the Motion preceded the labour and
Na;our that ought to .gain it: F
eWould ask every
Member in tbat House, whether there was that
merit attached to theV'olunteer Serviee of 'the
(.:',untty which some Gentlemen's descriptive
Vwers have given to it ? these persons, now• the
l,""tary Def,:nders of the Country, had wives,
cliff"iteu, and connexions' dear, to them, as hell
"' their ilroper:y, ail of which brought them tO, a'
sLosC of (heir holy to themsefstes as well as the Go-.
j, for they well knew, if the Government
he, mercy ot- ts— • cb'elts
so ot.A. to
them;
t • ,
.m; will become the noseraole orstru-
: writs of a lawlessß
pleasure, that
‘ anditti' who could feel'-no
did not 'rt.-Ise in every art that would
41.1tVIC tile feelings.of the virtuous, and disgrace the
name of Society.
Where then is there-an
occasion for praise ? Men now felt. as they ought to
4).
ia for themselves .;
let them negled the Govern-
!nem,' and their happiness is gone ; let them relax
the necessary service they are called upon to per.l°rmt the dwellings will brCOMe the slaughter-
. houses of Frenchmere.--all happinesi is gone,W4en
the English lose sight
.of their , former s
re.
ancj spirit
greatness., l'his is a trying moment, the
=ore-do
not treat Men as Children, and praise
"eft. before they deserve it :, if Frenchmen have
the folly to venture on our Shores, Englishmen
must gain the .Laurel by the sword„.not by any an.
feriae paradethis was his candid opinion : with
rctPe •
to'the prai.,e to he bestowed, he should now
laY What he thought of them- when called into the
"e,ids to repel- a merciless • foe : and here ,he must
tgi've th in the genuine. tribute of an unbiassed mind,
di'l4t whenever the day c'-mes, that the•two Nations
‘n,„e the . ,
ll' Ilt or Couloir on our Milli Shores,
tngli I -r
b linen Will convince of their mad.
ss.,
n the attempt to invade us, and add d Miltlary
tic v 4111 e
Name that has for Centuries been the
" •.•
• • ut •► F ureign one, After
,these perpark3 on the

impropriety of tile- sr Motion, by would call
the attention Of the House 'to those brave men on.
der General GE INFI ELD, who recently distinguished
themselves, and who ought to receive the Thanks
of the House as they had fought- for the• Laurel,
and therefore were entitled to it—yet no men.
tiou had been made of these men's services.—
If the Motion had gone to the' praise of merit
we had witnessed, then he should be the first to
give his vote to, support the Motion. The Thaoks
about to be given by the House Would have a bad
effect with those persons, who have often observed
this:species of,compliment, but have not received it.
it would also 'have an unfavourable effect upon the
Military of Ireland, to. whom the Motion was part-
ly.diretted, as the House had not thought prOper
to express their Thanks :before-. It would not,
in his mind, be so well to involve their, ap.
probation in the Thanks of the House to those
Volunteer corps
,who are not yet entitled to
panegyric, not having- had an opportunity of
she. Whig their courage. Notwithstanding many
observations had been made by several Honourable
Gentlemen in the HouSe on his Miliiary.Remarks,
and his having been repeatedly called a Military
Lecturer, that Would by no means deter him from re-
peating those things which arose flow. long experi-
ence on the Continent. He should, therefore, make
an observation on German taaicsi and also acknow-
ledge, that he once admired the German Army ; but
he must confess, he at present. admired the British
AtmY. • The Hon. Gentleman expressed his high'
opinion of the Military talents of the King of Pr us.
sia ; ated after a few remarks'on.theregulation of his
forces, observed, that he Was fur haViog an increase
of the regular Army in this. Country, he had an op
portuoity.of knowingthesincerity of the Regulars,
at a period, when. they were tried in every- way,
by the art and wickedness of
,Inaey disaffe6cd per.
Sons who wrote circular letters to them in every
corner of the Country, to poison their affettion, and
destroy their duty to the King. But he believed
That every letter received by these brave fellows
was imat,:d rely given to their
,Officers, with a pro.
mist of faithful duty to them and the Country. He
had. to oh erne that a Morning Print had stated, that
Governmeot were itch.: provided with sufficient arms
for the voluncternig service of the Country : had he
made such a remark, it weitild.have been objefted
to; but it this statement 4',115 true, he thoughtit
necessary that every Gun-maker front one end of
the kingdom to the other should be immediately
ordered to .41)ply Government with thearms wanted,
He was starry at such a moment as the present, that
an Illustrious Personage (the PRINCE of WALES)
was not employed as a General of the VOlunteer
Corps : he being an objeft of universal esteem and
admiration, - the,- people would feel an enthusiasm
to serve tinder his Command, and this would also
relieve the Duitit.of YORK from much business, as
it is impossible for that Noble Duke to give his at.
tention to the. voluntary service, from. having the
care of the regulars under him. 'With respect to the
Officers belonging to the East India Service, who he
tsoderstood had volunteered their services toGovern.
anent, he thinight they might be :rendered very useful
in the Volunteer Corps,• till Government could em.
ploy them in another way. It had been observed by an
I ion. Gentleman of that House, t hat those Gentlemen
who were acoth.inted with a warm climate,' might
be sent to the West. Indies, where their services
would be highly valo ibis, .and prevent the sending
of .Regiments unaerpainted with a warm climate,
who w4mlci soon perish with disease : but this
would break the spirit of those Officers, and
prove very hurtful to the Eist India Service.—
He must again repeat., he did, not approve of the
present Volunteer Corps': in his mind, Government
should have said to the First Class,. " ,You young
men of the first class, we wait. your eery icei—
you must tl}er4hre ,go, :ant we will provide for
your families—but we must have you."
.Not_
withstanding he had; been called a Military Lec-
turer, yet he would observe, that we never, were
in. great danger of being invaded while the
French. were: engaged in a Continental War.—
From the Peace. of Campo Formio,witls,the Au.
strians, the latter did. not 10$e a moment, but set
about tilting up their army, ~as the Archduke eon.
sidered the..reace insecure.' The French know.
ing the Austrians were lifeline(' with a strong
military :force, thought it prudent not to make
an attack on them. - It was these Continental
6.,ions betieeen diffeeent Powers that prevented
the Invasion Of this \Country. The Hon. Gentle.
man paid several compliments to different Mem.
hers, as to the temperate 'manner of disethising the
impettant .questions which, often came before the
; enhi,he "Was satisfied chat whatever differ.
of opinion existed in the Fiouse, on, political
no one 'would cittry to his pointS,place of retire.
merit for the Summer, the least animosity towards
his political oponen:s.
Civerhe It i'Ott explained, as to the Officers
in the East India Company'sServiee.
'Colonel'Cu At.)• Fort n explainedh
6BURY said, beforelie addressed
_
A.
the e.OO the Motion, . he Was induced tO.Spc3
11311e' remaik of the Right Hon: Geti
tlem-tn (Colonel CRA.U.FORD), as to the danger of
invasion in-this Country on a former occasion : Ire
was sure the Country was Irt as great a danger of
invasion at the period mentioned by the Hun. Gen.
tleman, if not greater than at the present. Ile had
observed, that- the French Government had only a
Continental Truce, but if that Hon. Gentleman
will call' his attention to the affairs of the Continent,
he most acknowledge that this Country was in more
danger at that time than at the present. The House
must observe, that a War between this Country and
France generally produced a Continental War ; since
the war in the, spring 5799, :the French had sent an.
army' into Germany, Switzerland, and the South of
Italy, and_ various other places ; but to notice the
Naval strength of France, and in doing so he could
venture to affirm, that there was a greater naval
force in that period than the present, anti though
there was danger now,there was greaterdaoger then.
---But ell this spews' us tine necessity !ti guard
against the present danger. He was ready to allow
that the Thanks of the Houses ought not to be given
on trifling occasions ; • but this was not a trifling
occasion. We were placed in a, situation now when
it was-not right to depend on the Army .or Militia,
or indeed, on' any kind ofArgtilar Fatrot notwitb.

,trig tUty":'were heia,in great. esteeni
Government. .
Hii Lordship- concluded with observing, that
this was not dcortimon case Of a Vote of Thanks for
a successful Expedition ; it was a case in which the
great body of the People had come forward with un.
p.iralleled zeal to support 'the Country at a great
and awful crisis. He, , therefore, perfealy agreed.
with the Hon. Gentleman who had brought forward
this. Motion, that the Volunteers were entitled to
the Thanks which it, was now proposed to give
them.

Mr.. WM. SMITH said, though it • was not' his
intention to give 'adired opposition to- the Mo.
tion of, his Hon. Friend, - yet there were several
reasons why he did not altogether approve of it.—
In the first. place, though he thought very highly
of the •Volunteer Corps, - yet he was not satisfied
that they were sufficient at the present momenta
He , would have preferred the Levy en Masse,
under the. Bill which but been passed, which
would have given a greater force, and. which
would hsve afforded the means of making a consi-
derable addition 'to the -Regular,Force if occasion
required it. Another objection he hail to the Vo.
lunteer Corps was, that from, their numbers they
'Would prevent Owe descriptions of persons from-
being'called out, which, he could'not but
.consider as
a subjed of regret :. for though the Volunteer, wets
aCtuated- by the most. Laudable and patriotic motives,
yet frOm their situation in life, from their habits,
they certainly were not so well qualified for the fa.
eigues of a Campaign as the sturdy Peasantry of the
Country. The Hota. Gentleman then adverted to
the mains of arming the Country, and said, that it
'was not• surprising if
,Government should not have
Arms sufficient for all the Volunteers who oft' red
their Services, because they could not have expected
that it would have 1);:en necessary to atm so large a
portion of the Country, and therefore it was not to be
expeded that they should have previously provided
such an immense quintity or Arms. -Ile, however,
agreed, with tee Hon. Colonel,, that Government
should now use every exertion in their power to
procifre a sufficient numbeaof Arms. With regard
to the present Motion, he 'admitted it might be
politic, but what would be theiy feeling, if upoti a
future occasion they should have to view with re-
gret the resolution they had come to this certain-
ly was an event of which he • bad- no apprehension,
but still bethought that ParliaMent ought not to be
precipitate in voting their Thanks. Indeed he was
convinced that the, Volunteers would feel theMselves
more gratified if the Thanks of the House were
postponed till they. had had an opportunity of de-
serving them. He again expressed his apprehension
than the numbers of Volunteers would be so great
as to render it unnecessary, to call out the Population
under the Defence Bill, the consequence
,of which
would be,' and in some cases now wai, that while
men tiduated by the most patriotic: motives, were vo-
luntarilyendeavouring to acquire military discipline,
they were eurrounded and laughed at 'by a set of
worthless young fellows who ought tO• be them-
selves called out, but whn.were excused from the,
numbers who voluntarily offered their services.Upoe
the whole, lie should not certainly oppose the Mo-
tion—it would undoubtedly be very invidious ; but
at lie same time could not help expressing his
wish that the Horn Gentleman had not brought it for-
ward at preSertt.
Mr. SHERIDAN sett], •:that although by the
courtesy. of the House he was 01.6E10 tQ a teply,
yet he should not have trespassed upon the House:
„pan this occasion, if it had not been for some
a:rea allusions which had t,.rn made persenally to
him. When he brought forward :this MOtion, he
certainly did not think from the manner in which
he worded it, or from the observations with :which
he lid int-ulaced it, that any difference of opinion
could have ensued.; be ought not however to have
been surprised that one Right Hon. Gentleman who
rewired 24 Wars delay before' he could mike up
his Anhui to adopt measures. for the salvation. of
Ireland, should have thought, five hours 'discus.
sion necessary upon a question of this kindsas-In the.
course of the -discussian some personal a-applications
had been made to 'him in a way of which be could
not but complain, by an Hon. Friend who sat near
him. The 'Hon. Gentleman to whom he 'alluded,
said, he would give his assent to the M )tion, if he
(Mr. SHERIDAN) Would assure him that he had re,
ceived a satisfactory answer -from Ministers' upon
two paints; first, whether the Military Council
which bad • been recomtnended had been adopte4l.-
Upon this pOint he wished to observe, that though
he hadseettainly 'supported the Motion for the ap.
pointment of the Council, yet he did not consider it
as a matter of that importance, that Ministers would
be unworthy of support if they did not adopt' it.
He did not hold- any such language when the sub.
jed was under diseuSsion. Since that • time he re-
ceived some information from a person—whom -he
must consider as the highest authority in the Coma.
try, which had. considerably shaken his opinion up-
on the subjeti, and which now induced him rather
to think that the adoption of such a measure
wes, unnecessary, and that it. might even beam.
tended with greet mischief. He, however, cam;
plained more of the other question which had
been pressed . upon him, because it wits upon ia
subjea of much greater delicacy than the other.
The Hon. Gentleman Milo had proposed the ques-
tion, knew
,perfedly well • his attachment to, and
veneration for the Illustrious Person alluded to, but
he begged to tell that Hot). .Gentleman, that he
was not to lie schooled and tutored a; to the manner
in which he was to discharge hia duty to His Royal
Highness. lie,was not to be informed by. any per-
son, whether he was to Make that a condition for
supporting Ministers' in the most trying and awful
crisis this Country had ever experienced. He cotu-
plained the more of this_ mode of questioning hims
because the Hon. Gentietnali knew that he was the
last Man that ought to arraign the conduit of Mini.
stets upon that subjeCt. This was a subject o 4 Pe-
caliar delicacy, and one upon which' he•did not wish
to enlarge. He -was sure the offer of his Royal
Highness had excited bet one feeling throughout
the Country, and that aula justice had been done
to the noble and patriotic aentiments by which His
Royal Highness had been .actuated. This was a
subject which, however, he did not wish to plasm:,
and he was sure the Pataict otWeanas would rather
110ibe ES- a Privates, in the rank* than wit; the feel.

-jags-4111 e Ceiontry aua moment 13oitltelpi-eetht
:such a discosonto The H-ot, (_;eloviel corliplaioied
that he had .endeavoured to ,prey,ent Milat.lry Piss
cussions ; he had'ruit indeavouOted to' prevent them,
he had only claimed a right to give his eepinion op.
on the general eubjed of the daence ill the Coontryo
He, confessed that he was not very fond ofthe'peor.
lopgati an of Military discussioos he had heard
many of theM, and they certainly had not teethed
to inspire:him vvith any great confidence in .fylilittie
ry men: instead of obtaining any •information ft oti!
them, they all entertained different opinions. opota
every part of the subjed Neon whieh they spoke
'instead of concurring in the regular military lock:.
step, every Officer almost entertained differene Sete,
timents. It was therefore with. a-view to their
credit that he had endeavoured to stop these Pis-.
cussions. The Honourable. Colonel, however, (lid
not approve of this Motion, because they were
thanking Volunteers -for having 'only done their
duty, and then the Hot). Gentleman he,i lavished a
great deal of praise on the Regulars ; and 'what was
the ground upon, which he had given them thit
praise ? Why .he' said, at the time of the Mutiny
the Jacobins had written round to every .Regitnent
to eeeite them toinsurredion, but that the attc,opt
had failed. So that the whole of the merit to which
the Hot. Gentleman gave so 'much erahe was, that
the Regulars dicrnot'upon that occasion join in the
Mutiny—that they had not turned, Traitors to their
Country. If this was the greatest praise which
the Regular
:Celonef ceuld- give to toe Regular
Troops, he had better perhaps be silent upon the
subjed. The non. Gentleman had then art:ld:tot
hlfn on the, ground of what :he conceived to 4,e
inconsistency 'in Iris ceinduel, in too .4 I t.A;i 03
Ministers now, because he had been in the
habit of attacking the former Minisons. lint he
begged to observe, that the Gentlemen who had
opposed the former Ministers had nut beet) in
the habit of throwing out upon .all oeceeions
sinuations against - Ministers—they brought for.
ward distinCt charges;--they called for particular
inquiries—they met Ministers fairly, instead of
making general observations which were in .apable
of receiving a distind ans..ver. But the Right lioni;
Gentleman had asked, g 4 were ohey not-, if they
thought Ministers were ailing wrong, to tell the
Country of it ?" 'His answer was” Yes, but ter it
be done upon distind grounds--let a fair charge he
brought forward but they should not deal in iv-tier:ll
insinuation and invedives,which of course could only
receive a general answer." Theßight {Lana; Gen.
tlernsn 'seemed determined to maintain the saint
kited of irregular warfare in Parliament which
recommended in the field ; he never presented a regio.
lar front to the Enemy, but was always popping
at them from.hedges and ditches; he was always bozo
zing in. their ears, without ever venturing upon a
fair and open attack. He was however, glad to see
the Right Hon, Gentleman furbishing up his old Op-
position arms,and reviving hisold Oeposititatl tactics,
• becaue it looked as if he expeded, what he sincerely
hoped he would have, a long Opposition campaign
to tarry on.—l-le heartily disclaimed this mode of
opposition, and was very anstmus that the Old Op.'.
position should not in any degree be confounded
'with the new one. The members of the Old Op.
position might say, with a little varittien, , what
1,,,a been s`ald when ohere was a rivalship, between
two public.-houses called the I'vlagpies, on. Hounslow
Heath,
We are I;ie Opposition on the right,
" The others leave sat kip
The nondurable Colonel had, said, that the PR tet ott
of WALas ought, to be put at the head of tl e -Ituty
en Masse, and that it would be a noble ct m loot
for His Royal, Highness to have. But he togAed
the House to consoler what was the kind of tOotn.
inand which they wished to bestow upon his Pat at
Highness. The Right Hon. G eolenotti (4.srlr.
WtN aroma). had deelated his opinion, that this Force
should never be calleded. together, but that rl,ey
ought e rclr,in their own di,t rift, tto.v.arry on, an;t,
peeler la %vat og.tinst, the Enemy, liarosingetiod tic,
ing, at theM,fture hehirel hedges, trees, &Oe. to
the first place, if this advice was 0e„ie.,,0, a .'•.ry
small part of the Levy en Meso. coeld lero.
an oppot-tuntry of ading, becalbo it ,A`A, 901 !(-1 I.)q.
supposed that the Enemy would march all over the
kitigdomilut this was the gland command wiocla
they wished to bestow upon the Put eof \VAL U,
anti he was to be sent
.roend the cse,untry,
-posed,-to review his Afiny behind every liege
in every ditth in the Country. An lion. Friend
of his (Mr. SetiTit) had stated, that though iii.,
would not objed to the Mosiopoyet he thought the
Volunteers Ought pot to lie thanked until they had
done something. In his opinion they had alteedy
done a great dealLoenough to entitie them to tit;
thanks and gratitude of their COuotry---But dot
non. Gentleman-said, that the -Volunteers were
laughed at when they were training : if that were,
the case, it was an additional reason why they,
should have true proteCtion of that House; and when
brave and patriotic men. were trainioz oloonstives
for the Defepee,oftheir Country, and were laughed
at by a set of cowardly worthless wretches,.,lte
.wiShed that they should he enabled to plead the
Vote. which he hoped the,liottse olCommens would
come to that day, as ane atower to. the sneers of
cowards 'Or traitors. trigurr'en'tsliad deed;
used to shoo that the Country Watt in much greater
. danger now t'ean it was in any part of the liot Waree
upon this Soloed it was unnecessary for hiin to co_
large, after the very able answer which had been
given by the "Noble: Lord opposite to.him ; but he
contended, that. this Country was ,in equal, il,not. •
greater danger in 1798, because ,it must he recut.
leeted that Ireland Was at 'that time invaded,
saved almost by an accident. lolhat year 4a yet..ao
men had been sent to. Egypt.; wished to koow:
what would have-been the o9nsegoerce if they had
been landed in Ireland, Which,was ee event at that
time expedeti and apprehended. It should be re.
colleded,thatthat :was the period of the.commence.-
ment of the. Northern Confederacy,: th3l,indeed
every point of viewtile danger wr•ts .
Ministers ought. ;hen to liaivp had tecintr4e to ;Ail the
means Oflie:lellce which 114 now adopted. This
was not his opinion merely ; he veoutel ask tole
Right Houourable e,ntleman (Mr.NVYNDHAU) if
he was not titer- its as great a panie- iibout the
safety of the COuntry, as he was at Orefterit
But His Majesty's Ministers did ,not then btlAit
forward any measures adequate to the Pefincte.