The Sun.
London, England, 1835-08-21 00:00:00

BRUSSELS PAPERS.

COURT CIRCULAR.

WINDSOR-THURSDAY.

AUGUST 17.—Letters from Ostend say that the presence of
their Majesties attracts such a number of strangers that it
is very difficult to obtain lodgings in the hotels.
Tho Duke of Saxe-Meinigen passed through Brussels yes-
terday on his return from England.
The Government is going to erect telegraphs in the old line
from Tournay to Antwerp. By this means the price of Stocks
at Paris will reach Brussels and Antwerp by noon on the day
following. A courier will bring the note of the prices from
Paris to Tournay, whence it will be immediately forwarded by
telegraph to Antwerp.
AUGUST 18.—Last night the following Bank-notes were
stolen in the House of Madame Bethune, No. 30, Rue de
Namur; viz. :-
1 of 40 Pounds sterling.. No. 21,092
lof 40 Ditto ditto
lof 100 Ditto ditto
lof 40 Ditto ditto
lof 40 Ditto ditto
lof 40 Ditto ditto

The troops that are now in the camp at BBeverlao will leave
in a few days, and be succeeded by the 2d and 3d divisions,
which are composed of the 3d, 4th, sth, 6th, 7th, Bth, 9th,
and 12th regiments of the line ; 3d regiment of light infantry ;
Ist regiment of light horse ; the Ist regiment of lancers ; and
four battalions of artillery. Each regiment of infantry will
consist of three battalions.

The protracted drought begins to excite serious alarm among
the farmers in the environs of Brussels, and the Canton of Arche.
The fields are scorched and burnt by the sun; water is scarce,
the wells and springs are dried up and exhausted, the water in
the ponds is spoiled, and so bad that the cattle will not drink it.
The fruit on the trees are withering for want of moisture ;
forage is becoming scarce, as well as culinary vegetables ; the
hops, which constitute the chief resource of the little farmers
in some districts will hardly produce anything this year. Last
year 100 perches of hop garden produced 110 pounds of
hops ; this year the produce will be 25 pounds at the most.
It is a remarkable fact that there are no wasps, which in other
years did so much damage to the fruit, and were a great an-
noyance even in the houses.

SCUTARI, JULY 28.—We learn from Bucharest that the
Divan has allowed and paid several arrears that were not in-
serted in the budget of the public expenditure. Among
them is a sum of 1,500,000 piasters, which the Hospodar of
Wallachia claimed for the expense of himself and his suite
during his stay at Constantinople. The Divan hesitated to vote
this sum though, as it was expended for the public benefit, it
could not well be refused ; but the Divan wished first to have
the approbation of the Porte and of Russia, which it must
have received, as the payment is now ordered. The Divan
has also fixed, with a slight reduction, the civil list of the
Hospodar, which is for life—the amount is not known. Baron
Ruchmann had gene to Silistria, where he expects to meet
Prince Milosch.

BELGRADE, AUGUST 2.—Accounts just received from
Posehareiditz announce that Prince Milosch set out on the
31st of July, on his journey to Constantinople, which he has
so long wished to undertake, but which has been delayed by
various causes. He goes by way of Widdena, Rustachouk,
and Varna, where a Turkish steam-boat is ready to convey him
and many other persons usually in attendacce on him.—All-
gerneine Zeitunq, August 14.
THE HAGUE, AUG. 18.—Their Majesties the King and
Queen set out this morning for Tilbury. Prince and Princess
Albert followed them in the course of the day.
Letters from the frontiers of Borina, of 2d August, say that
" According to letters from Sarajervo, of 26th July, the Pasha
had received the news, that the Pashas of Berat and Larissa
had marched with 12,000 men against Scutari. The famous
Tafil Dasi, on whom the rebels greatly depended, is said to
have received his pardon from the Grand Vizier, and to have,
joined the expedition against the rebels of Scutari." We may
therefore soon expect to receive news from Albania.

His Majesty left town soon after six o'clock on Wednesday
eVtning, on his return to Windsor Castle.
Count Pozzo di Borgo, the Russian Ambassador, Count
Sebastiani, the French Ambassador, and M. Tricoupi, the
Greek Minister, had, a long conference yesterday afternoon
with Viscount Palmerston, at the Foreign-office.
Baron Cctto, the Bavarian Minister, M. Hummelauer, the
Austrian Charge d'Affaires, and the Hanseatic Charge d'Af-
faires, transacted business at the Foreign-office yesterday.
The Right Hon. Poulett Thomson has been severely indis-
posed, but is better.

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The Secretary to the French Embassy has left town for
Brighton.

Mr. Colquhoun transacted business on Wednesday at the
Colonial- office.

The King, accompanied by Sir Herbert Taylor, returned to
the Castle, from town, at nine o'clock.
Her Majesty, attended by her suite, drove to Lady Gren-
ville's, at Dropmore, and was much delighted in inspecting
the beautiful and extensive grounds attached to her Lady-
ship's mansion. The Queen, on her return to the Castle,
also visited Clifden spring.
This morning, shortly before eleven o'clock, the King, at-
tended by Sir Andrew Barnard, proceeded from the Castle
and visited Kew Palace. Ilis Majesty honoured Lord Errol,
at Richmond, with a visit on returning to the Castle.
Lord and Lady Howe, and Lady Georgiana Curzon, arrived
at the Castle this morning, on a visit to their Majesties.
Her Majesty, attended by her suite, rode in the Park after
four o'clock this afternoon on horseback.
Preparations on an extensive scale are going forward here
for celebrating his Majesty's birth-day. In the evening a
grand dinner will be given, in St. George's Hall, to most of
the Nobility and Gentry in the neighbourhood.

IMPER

.AL PARLIAMENT

HOUSE OF COMMONS, Avousr 20.

THE SUN, LONDON, ritti_DAY, AUGUST .21, 1.835.

(Continued from our First Edition of yesterday and which ap.
peared in a Second Edition last night.)
GLASS DUTIES BILL.
On the House going into Committee on this Bill,
Sir J. TYRREL rose to present a petition, complaining
of the great distress that existed in the agricultural districts.
The agriculturists were justly entitled to relief, but the Right
Hon. Gentleman could only repeal the duty on soft soap, and
that upon glass. They had been told that the repeal of the
malt-tax could not possibly be afforded, and he had been told
that the speeches in favour of the continuance of that tax were
unanswerable. He should consider it a great favour if any
Hon. Gentleman opposite would state to him upon what prin-
ciple the Chancellor of the Exchequer raised so great a
proportion of the revenue as five millions from this
particular portion of the community, who, upon an
investigation of the House, were shown and admitted
to be in greater distress than any other class. He allud-
ed in particular to the southern counties of England.
When he heard of the flourishing state of the finances ; when
he heard of the grant of 20 millions to the West India
Planters, and of 10 millions to the Poles—(Laughter)—he
meant 10,0001.,—be hoped that the Right Hon. Gent. the
Chancellor of the Exchequer would hold out some hope of re-
lief to the agricultural body.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER would not
enter into discussion which would be somewhat irregular, but
he could not allow the statement made by the Hon. Baronet
to remain without contradiction. This was one of many at-
tempts within and without the doors of the House to attribute
to the Government and to the party with which he was con-
nected, an indifference on the subject of agricultural distress.
—(No, no, from Sir J. Tyrrel.) If not what did the Hon.
Baronet mean by alluding to soft soap ? He could tell the
Hon. Baronet that if it were necessary for some Hon. Mem-
bers to appear before their constituents, he would strongly re-
commend that very useful article, soft soap—( Great laughter)
—more especially would he recommend it to the use of those
Hon. Members, (he did not include the Hon. Baronet), who
on the hustings had made such vehement protestations in fa-
vour of the reveal of the malt duties, and who, when they came
into Parliament forgot their pledges and voted with the Go-
vernment, against th repeal.--(Great laughter and cheering,
in the midst of which Sir J. Tyrrel said, " I did not do so.")
He especially stated that the Hon. Baronet did not. If
soft soap were made use of for this purpose, and if
there should be a consumption adequate next year to
be enabled to congratulate the revenue and to pro-
duce the entire cleansing that was necessary, he hoped
next year to be enabled to congratulate the revenue and the
Hon. Members, the one that it had acquired money, and the
others that they had acquired an additional cleanliness.—
(Loud laughter.) The agricultural interest were much mis-
taken if they supposed that no relief was given to them by re-
lieving the pressure upon manufactures—be knew an instance
now where there were from forty to fifty men now living upon
the poors' rate, and working upon the roads breaking stones,
who would the moment this Bill passed be taken into
employment in a glass factory. The one interest was so
much interwoven with the other that they could no
be separated—what was a benefit to the manufacturing in-
terest was sure to tell upon the agriculturists.
Sir JOHN TYRREL said the Right Hon. Gentleman
had not answered the question which be had put to him.
Upon what principle was it that they levied the greater por-
tion of the revenue from those counties which they admitted
to be the most distressed ?

Mr. S. RICE could only refer the Hon. Baronet to the
reasons contained in the speech of the Right Hon. Baronet,
the Member for Tamworth, upon the Malt Tax.-4 Laughter.)
Mr. ROBINS ON expressed his regret that the Right
Hon. the Chancellor of the Exchequer had not found it expe-
dient to reduce the whole of the duty upon glass. He was
against the principle of keeping up the great interference with
the trade for such a trifling duty.
Captain GORDON would take that opportunity of inquir-
ing of the Right Hon. Gentleman whether it was his intention
to reduce the amount of duty upon spirits in Scotland. He
thought it very desirable that the system of defrauding the
revenue should be put an end to in Scotland as well as in
Ireland.

Air. S. RICE admitted that the measure of last year had
been found to work very beneficially in Ireland, but he was
not then prepared to say that there would be any alteration
made in the duties upon Scotch spirits.
The clauses were then agreed to, and the Bill was reported
to the House.
REGISTRATION OF VOTERS.—IRELAND.

The House then went into Committee upon the Registra-
tion of Voters (Ireland) Bill.
On clause 4 being proposed,
Mr. SHAW contended that it would be impolitic to place
the appointment of the Revising Barristers in the hands of the
existing Government, as their motives would be at all times
liable to suspicion. He did object to the system of multiply-
ing the number of Barristers, and thus making them the sti-
pendiaries of the Government. The present existing Assist-
ant Barristers were in Ireland—those who were least liable
to suspicion—and were the persons upon whom it would be
most judicious to impose the duty. The next suggestion
was to place the appointment in the hands of the judges,
who would be responsible for the persons they appointed.
Lord MORPETH contended that the Assistant Barristers
had quite sufficient duties to perform at present, and he
'thought no objection could reasonably be made to the ap-
pointment being vested in the Lord Lieutenant.

Colonel PE RCE VAL maintained that the great object
should be to assimilate the law in Ireland to that in England.
If that was done, it would give great confidence to the people
of Ireland. On these grounds he would decidedly object to
the clause, and agreed with his Hon. Friend that it should be
struck out altogether. He believed that it was a job to place
the appointment in the hands of the Government, as the pre-
sent Assistant Barristers were fully able to undertake the du-
ties, and he was satisfied would discharge them impartially
and honestly. If the House would only look at the number of
fictitious votes that were made by the Barristers who were ap-
pointed as nominees of the Government, as disclosed at the
Election Committees, they would be satisfied of what lie had
stated. He should, therefore, decidedly vote against the clause.
Mr. RONA YN E contended, that under the present system
of registration in Ireland there was a tendency rather to
restrain the number of freeholders than to facilitate their re-
gistration.—( Hear, hear, hear.) Was it not a fact,
that the Assistant Barristers at present existing in Ireland
had been appointed by the Government ? He complained of
the Hon. and Gallant Member terming the younger barristers
a lower class. He believed they were equally respectable and
intelligent as those who were in so extraordinary a way distin-
guished from them. He believed the most valuable principle
in the Bill was involved in the clause under discussion, and for
that reason he should give it his most cordial support.
Sergeant JACK SON thought the clause, as it at present
stood, was most objectionable, and would decidedly vote
against it.
Mr. JACKSON supported the amendment. He did not
see why any new machinery was to be got up. If the arrange-
ment were adopted, it would make the persons connected with

it political parties ; in fact they would be the nominees and
friends of the Ministers of the day.
Mr. RUTH VEN thought the Hon. and Learned Sergeant
had said much more in favour than against the clause. He
hoped Hon. Gentlemen would be content in having taken up
the time of the House, and made their observations upon the
clause, but that the amendment would not be passed.
Mr. M. O'FE RRAL L thought that the assistant barris-
ters could not perform the duties of registration consistently
with the various other duties they had to perform. He would
therefore oppose the amendment.
Mr. W. S. O'BRIEN confessed that his experience bore
out the observations that had been made by the last speaker.
The present system tended rathei' to discourage than encou-
rage registration. He objected, however, having occasional
of in their situations.

Mr. LYNCH approved of the alteration made by this
clause. It certainly was impossible for the assistant-barristers,
who had such great and serious duties to perform, to attend
'properly to the registrittion, and therefore it was he approved
of the new machinery of this Bill.
Mr. O'CONNELL thought the clause an extremely useful
one. It was said that these things were carried on in Ireland
,with impartiality. Was it impartial for the Judges of the
land to interfere at elections ?—(Cheers.) He thought the
practising Barristers ought never to be appointed revising Bar-
risters. Many practising Barristers it was true had given
great satisfaction, but others had given as much dissatis-
faction. There was nothing like general satisfaction given
by the Assisting Barristers.—( Cheers.) That being the
case, the question then was, who should appoint ? Was it tha
Judges ? He thought that he had disposed of that.—( Cheers. )
Lord Grey's Administration had continually removed the As-
sistant Barristers, and he hoped Lord Melbourne's Govern-
ment would do the same. He thought it would be much better
to have the Barristers appointed permanently during good be-
haviour. He thought they should be free from the variations
incident upon the change of Administrations, and should go
circuits. The appointment resting with the Judges was a
source of great dissatisfaction, for it created too great a sub-
serviency at the bar, as the ear of the Judge was a great ob-
ject to be kept in view. He himself got 5001. a year more
than he ever got before at the Chancery bar, in consequence
of the change of the Judge, and the succession of one, Sir
Anthony Hart, with whom it could not be supposed that he
Was a favourite. In fact, for many years any barrister who
was a friend to liberty, or dared to put his hand to a petition
for emancipation, was treated as if he had been guilty of the
most atrocious crime.—( Hear, hear. )
Mr. VE SE Y defended the conduct of the assistant bar-
risters.

Mr. SHAW lamented that at every step of this Bill the
Hon. and Learned Member would continue to attack some
person of high authority. Such a course was degrading to
Ireland, to the learned profession, and to the administration of
justice, and he trusted that though all might he termed poli-
tical partizans, such an example would not be followed by any
Hon. Member on his side of the House.
Mr. O'CONNELL said it could not be denied that some
judges were political partizans.
Lord MORPETH was of opinion that the patronage
should rest in the Government for the time being.
Mr. S. O'BRIEN proposed an amendment, calling on the
barristers to provide security.
Colonel PERCE VAL proposed that the barristers should
be recommended by the Twelve Judges.
On our re-admission, we found the S 0 LIC IT 0 R-G E E.
RAL for Ireland speaking in favour of the Clause.
Colonel PE RCEVA Lsaid he had heard no reason to in-
duce him to withdraw his amendMpnt—he would press it to a
division.

Mr. FRENCH objected to that part of the Clause which
requires a-barrister to be of five years standing before he eon!4

be appointed under the Bill. There was no such restriction
i-131and.
The Gallery was then cleared fora division, when there ap.
peared—__

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For the amendment
Against it
Majority against the amendment ...... —34
The clause was then agreed to, as was clause 8.
On the 9th clause being put,
Colonel PE RC E VAL rose to propose an amendment, to
the effl!et that after the word " voter " the words "which oc-
curred since the former revision," be left out, and also the last
proviso. If the clause remained as it stood, there would be a
defective and fictiticus state of registration in many parts of
Ireland.
Mr. O'LOGHLEN—The effect of this amendment would
be to allow the Revising Barristers to question the right of
every man that had been registered under the Reform Act,
though by the provisions of that Act the registration was to
remain in force for eight years. He thought it would be
better to allow a few defective votes to remain on the re-
gister, than to open the whole question of the registration.
Mr. O'CONNELL thought it would be very unjust to take
from voters the rights they now possessed.
Mr. SHAW would steer a middle course between the pro-
position of his Gallant Friend and the Hon. and Learned
Member. He would not open the registry to the extent de-
sired by the one, nor did he think it just to shut out par-
ties from all appeal against votes that had been improperly
placed on the registry.
Mr. O'LOG HEN made an observation, which was in-
audible.
Mr. SHAW resumed—He had the greatest objection to
appeal generally, but, he contended, that there should be an
appeal to the next going .Judge of Assize. If the House did
not agree to that proposition, it would be doing a very great
injustice. Suppose there were at present 2,000 votes impro-
perly regietered, the present Bill would make them good, to
all intents and purposes, if there was no appeal. The princi-
ple of appeal was recognized in the Bill, and all lie wanted was
to have the principle applied to existing cases.
Lord MO RPE TH objected strongly to opening the registry
generally—( Hear, hear)--and this was a proposition to open
it in amodified manner, which, if once admitted, would lead

to much inconvenience, as it would call upOn parties to rebut
objections to claims of three years' standing. He could not
see where the objections would terminate if they were once
admitted.

Sergeant JACKSON thought the Noble Lord had not
taken his usual just view of this matter. The Right Hon. the
Solicitor General had admitted that there were fictitious votes
on the registry, and the Hon. and Learned Member for Dub-
lin, in his anxiety not to disturb vested interests, had changed
his previously expressed opinions. If the vested interests al-
luded to were disturbed, the Hon. and Learned Member might
find the balance of the account very much the other way.—
( Hear, from the Opposition Members.) There ought in his
( Mr. J's. ) opinion to be an appeal both ways. If the principle was
admitted prospectively, why should it not also be admitted retro-
spectively. The Noble Lord had stated that the object of the Bill
was to preclude the appeal to the Committees of the House of
Commons ; but if no revision ofthe existing votes took place, the
Bill made them good for five years. He trusted the House
would leave party views and feelings out of the question, and
discuss the question fairly, because he was satisfied that by the
proposed arrangement they would be doing a very great in-
justice, and recognising a most unfair and improper principle.
Mr. D. BR 0 WNE very seldom agreed with the Hon.
Members on the other side, but be must confess that, in the
present instance, he perfectly coincided with them.—( Hear,
from the Opposition Members.) He thought the votes ought
to be made final, either one way or the other, at the next
assizes. He would therefore vote for the motion of his Hon.
Friend. He was perfectly well aware that many votes were
registered in the different counties of Ireland that were bad.
With respect to Galway, a great number of freeholds had
been improperly made, and he was satisfied that until the
freeholders of Ireland released themselves from such asper-
sions, their votes would not be considered of much value.
Mr. FRENCH trusted that his Hon. Friend would ad-
here to the course he had adopted.
Mr. JR PH SON thought that the English system ought to
be adopted in Ireland.
Mr. CALLAGHAN hoped the Noble Lord who had in-
troduced the Bill, would not vary the clause.
Mr. Serjeant JACK SON said from local knowledge he
was aware that in Cork there were many persons on the Regis-
try for 101., who had petitioned under the local Act, to be
relieved from the payment of city taxes, on account of their
horses being under the value of 5/.
Mr. CALLAGHAN said there might be some such cases
in Cork, but they were very few, and it ought to be remem-
bered that Houses worth 500/. were rated at not more than
50/..—( Hear, hear.)

Lord CLEMENTS thought the amendment proposed to
the clause under discussion, would cause great excitation in
Ireland—a thing it was the especial duty of the House to allay.
Mr. SHAW explained. He did not wish to press the matter
to a divisionubut to impress it upon the mind of the Noble Se-
cretary for Ireland.
Colonel PERCEVAL withdrew his amendment.

Clause 10 was read, and some conservation took place across
the table, between Messrs. Walker and O'Connell, with Mr.
Shaw and Sir R. Ferguson, as to whether the register should
be demanded or not.

The clause, after some conversation, was agreed to as
amended.
On Clause 11 being read,

Mr. FITZSTEPHEN FRENCH proposed an amend-
ment to the effect that any person being six months in posses-
sion of any land out of which he claimed to vote, should be
entitled to do so notwithstanding the lease or deed under which
he claimed to register, was not of six months date. This
amendment was, he believed, carrying into effect the spirit of
the Act of Parliament, and he should submit it to the consi-
deration of his Majesty's Government.
Mr. D. BROWNE thought at least the elector should be
entitled to vote immediately after being registered.
Mr. O'L OUG HLEN said the object of the clause was to
do away with voters who had been improperly registered.—
(" Hear " from the Opposition Members.)
Colonel PE RCEVA L said that was the principle for which
he and his Hon. Friends near him had all through contended.
Mr. O'CONNELL—The leases of all the men who had
been struck off were already executed. By the Bill more than
six months must elapse before registration could take place
at all.

Mr. F. FRENCH thought the clause ought not to be al-
lowed to Vass in its present shape.
Mr. CALL AG 11 A N was surprised that any opposition
should be given to the clause.
The clause was then agreed to, as were all the clauses, up
to 17, without amendment.

The following clauses, up to clause 26, were agreed to with-
out amendment.

Clause 27 was agreed to without any observation.
On Clause 28, limiting the time of polling to two days,
having been read,
Mr. F. FRENCH said he should now bring forward the
amendment of which he had given notice, and he should detain
them as short time as possible. He was anxious to assimilate
the practice in Ireland to that of England, but it was impos-
sible, under the provisions of the Bill, that all the voters could
be polled unless the clause was amended. Considering the dis-
tance (in some cases upwards of fifty miles) which the voters
had to come in the large counties of Roscommon, Mayo, Gal-
way, an'd others, it was impossible they could be brought to
the poll in one day. The amendment which he had to
move was to the effect that no voter have a distance

of more than fifteen miles to come, and to carry this proposition
into effect, the Lord Lieutenant should be empowered to di-
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vide the counties into convenient districts, with polling places
in each ; such division of counties to be notified in the Gazette.

Lord MORPETH suggested that the Hon. Member had
better postpone the amendment until to-morrow, when it might
be considered on the bringing up of the Report.
Mr. O'CONNELL thought neither time nor trouble would
be saved by discussing matters out of order.
Mr. FRENCH, contended that he was not out of order.
Mr. D. BROWNE could not consent to the clause by
which the polling would be limited to two days, without some
amendment similar to that proposed by his Hon. Friend the
Member for Roscommon. No Member of that House had
„suffered more from the vexatious protracting of the polling
than himself, but in counties which were sixty miles long,
and as many broad, it- would be quite -impracticable to
bring all the voters up to the county town within the time al=
lowed by the Act, and on these grounds he should certainly
protest against the clause.
Mr. O'LOI.TG HLEN thought, under the operation of the
present Bill, they would be enabled to take the poll for any
county in Ireland in one day, instead of the great length of
time that was now given.
Mr. D. BROWN and Mr. JEPIISON objected to the clause.
Lord CLEMENTS said that the clause was calculated to
have a good effect.
Mr. CALLAGHAN supported the clause. He agreed
with the Solicitor-General for Ireland that the whole poll
of a county could be taken in one day under the present Bill.
Mr. SHAW thought that the confining the poll to
one day would be a dangerous experiment ; he should
have no objection to it, if it could be accomplished.
He thought that the amendment of the Hon. Member for
Roscommon ought to be adopted, as it would save the expense
of bringing electors a great distance at a short notice.
Mr. VESEY wished to know whether any provision was
made to enable the returning officer to adjourn the Poll.
Mr. O'L 0 UG HLE N, as we understood, said that there was.
Clauses up to 32 were agreed to with a few verbal amend-
ments. The discussion was carried on in a conversational
tone, and was not audible in the gallery.
Clause 33, was agreed to, and the Chairman then reported
progress, and obtained leave to sit again to-morrow.