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GENERAL DARLING.

Mr. MAURICE O'CONNELL named the following
Cvmmittee for enquiring into the case of General Darling.
o'(.7oniii,:l, Maui ice Sir H. Rice, T. S.
H. I Harvey, D. W. Shell, It. L.
Bemc,ork, Major Hay, Colonel L. Stanley, Lord
Penry G. Hohhouse, Sir J. C. Stuart, Lord Dudley
Eonha:ii, Francis It. I lowick, Lord Thompson, C. B.
l',,wring, Dr. Hume, Joseph (yike, NV.
13,-kin3harn, J. S. Lushington, Dr. Tulk, Charles A.
Butwer, 11. L. Nichol:, J. "[wins, Itorac.!
F.mr.ourt, C J. O'Connell, I). Verney, Sir H.
Gl,thione' W. E. Obwaid, J. Thomas
Gres, Sir G. Vi,rb,,r lon. H.
Lord. JOHN RUSSELL rose to move "That the Com-
mittee have no power whatever to enquire into the
trial and sentence of the court-martial which was held upon
Captain Robison." That House would not open an enquiry
into the proceedings of a Court-martial, except under very
extraordinary circumstances ; and if they were so induced, he
was certain they would not proceed by Committee, but
move at once for the Minutes of the Court. If this
were to be allowed, the House would be bound to give an
enquiry into every case where a party felt himself aggrieved,
and averred that the proceedings were unfair.—( Hear,
hear.) The only case in which the House could interfere
was where there were allegations of gross partiality or cor-
ruption. To shoW that there were no such allegations in
this case, ha read a paragraph from an address to the
members of that House in which he acquitted the majority of
the Court of all improper motives, and set their failing down
as one belonging to humanity. He submitted that there
was no dishonourable or corrupt conduct imputed here which
deserved the interference of the House. If the House
granted such an enquiry, they would open the decision
of every tribunal in the country. This question had not only
been before the Judge Advocate and the Commander-in-
Chief, whose report induced his Majesty to give his approbation
to the finding of the Court ; but it had also received
the attention of that House, when brought before it
by the Right Honourable Sir R. Grant.—( Hear, hear.)
The conclusion Sir R. Grant came to was that the Court
was legal, the proceedings regular, and the decision
right. After such an opinion from such a person, he sub-
mitted to the House, whether there could have been
such gross ignorance on the part of the Court-Martial,
as to induce the House to take any extraordinary proceeding ?
The Noble Lord then referred to the trial in the Court of
King's Bench, to show that the opinion of the judge
(Littledale) was in favour of the /legality -of the Court
Martial.—( Hear.) After these opinions it could hardly
be assumed that this Court-Martial had deserted from the ge-
neral principles of law, or substantial justice. He would,
therefore, conclude by moving that it be an instruction to the
Committee that, in their inquiry into the conduct of General
Darling, they do not question the legality of the Court-martial.
Mr. M. O'CONNELL thought that after they had suc-
ceeded in obtaining a Committee it would be most hard and
unjust to preclude them from this evidence, which was most
material to clear up the character of Mr. Robison.—( Hear. )
The Committee had power to enquire into the conduct
of General Darling, and he thought that they would
make out a strong case against him ; but this would not be sa-
tisfactory, unless they could also establish the character of
Captain Robison upon a fair foundation. He main-
tained that there had been gross corruption in the
conduct of the Court-Martial, and a most deplorable
ignorance of the law, and therefore he contended that it was a
proper case to be brought before the House. He felt bound
to oppose the motion of the Noble Lord. The Noble Lord
had objected to the House assuming the character of a court
of appeal. Why, what was that House but a court of appeal
from the decision of any court-martial ? That it was so was
clearly established by the authority of the late and present
Speaker, and by cases to be found in the Journals of the House
for 1744, when the opinions of at least a dozen officers were
laid on the table of the House ; in one case—that of Captain
Morris—the House went so far as to decide that the finding of
the court-martial was unjust, illegal, and cruel. He was sorry
he could not refer to the proceedings in these cases ; but they
had been unfortunately destroyed in the late fire. The Hon.
and Learned Gentleman entered at some length into the de-
tails of the case, with the view of showing that the members
of the court-martial were deplorably ignorant of the law, and
that they were misled by Captain Forbes, a friend of Captain
Sturt who acted as Judge Advocate; that the case came
within the line laid down by the Noble Lord, as one in which
the court-martial displayed gross ignorance, and, in some in-
stances, absolute misconduct ; that questions were put on
behalf of Captain Robison which were not allowed by the
court, and even refused to be entered on the minutes, and that
the whole proceedings were illegal. The prisoner called for
his prosecutor, but it was not until the end of the proceedings
that his name was given, and the minutes of the court-martial
were taken every night by the Judge Advocate to General
Darling, who was enabled to shape his case accordingly.
After some strong accusations against both Lieut. Sweeny
and Captain Sturt, the Honourable and Learned Gentleman
submitted that this was a case in which the House was bound',
to inquire into the character of the witnesses and the nature of
their evidence. He claimed to be 'allowed to prove that
Captain Robison was a much-injured man, that illegal evi- .

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dente had been received against him, and legal evidence
tendered in his behalf refused, and that the proceedings of
the court-martial had been conducted illegally and improperly.
If he obtained permission to do this, and the Committee de-
clared on the evidence adduced before it that they saw nothing
in Captain Robison's conduct derogatory to his character as a
gent. and a man of honour, he contended that the House
would not interfere with the proceedings of the court-martial.
He concluded by moving an amendment on the Noble Lord's
motion, limiting the inquiry of the Committee to the proceed-
ings to the court-martial, and excluding the finding and sen-
tence from their consideration.

The original question and amendment were then put.
Mr. C. FERO US SON felt bound to oppose the motion
of his Hon. and Learned Friend, which was perfectly and
wholly unprecedented, and he was prepared to shew that the
court-martial had committed no injustice in any one of the
cases to which he had adverted. The reason why certain
portions of the minutes of the court-martial were not pro-
duced was, that Captain Robison had put questions concern-
ing parties not in the Court.—( Hear.) The questions had
no relevance to the subject matter of inquiry, but referred en-
tirely to third parties.
Mr. HORACE TWIS S trusted that the House, by sanc-
tioning the motion on this subject on a former evening, would
not establish a dangerous precedent. He agreed in the sug-
gestion of the Hon. and Learned Member, that they ought not
to go into any investigation connected with General Darling,
unless they were prepared to enter upon a full examination
of the whole case.

Lord DUDLEY STUART thought too that it would not
be satisfactory either to the House or the country if they
did not enter upon an enquiry into the whole subject. It
would even be a great injustice to General Darling if they
did not do so after the vote the House had come to on a former
occasion, and after the serious charges brought against that
Gallant General.—( Hear, hear.) The motion which his
Noble Friend the Secretary for the Home Department had
that night proposed, went to rescind the vote which the
House had come to the other night.—( Hear.) He could not
help saying that it required a degree of assurance on the part
of any Minister to come down with such a proposition.—(Hear,
hear.) Why did not his Noble Friend come down with his
friends and supporters on the former night this subject was
discussed and oppose inquiry ? It appeared that he had
neglected to do so, and yet he had the assurance to come down
now and ask the House to rescind the resolution they had come
to on the subject.—( Hear, hear) He ( Lord Dudley Stuart)
had not been present when his Right lion. Friend the Judge
Advocate addressed the House.—( Cheers from the Ministerial
benches.) His Noble Friend the Secretary at War cheered
him when he said that he had not heard the whole of the
speech of the Judge Advocate ; but he would tell his Noble
Friend that he (Lord Howick) had neglected his duty--( Hear,
hear)—in not being present on the former occasion, when a
question concerning the department over which lie presided
was under discussion.—( Cheers and laughter.) He contended
that there were many instances where the House had instituted
inquiry into the proceedings before courts-martial.
Sir J. C. HOBHO USE objected to opening the proceed-
ings before the court-martial on Captain Robison, because it
would tend to make the House a court of appeal from the de-
cision of judicial tribunals.
Mr. MACLEAN was fully aware that General Darling was
most anxious for a full investigation of his conduct; but as it
had met with the approval of the Government, he thought that
there was no necessity to go into the inquiry.
Mr. O'CONNELL should like to know how the Hon. and
Learned Gentleman who had just addressed the House, and
the Hon. and Learned Member for Bridport intended to vote ;
they had both stated that General Darling was most anxious
to have the whole of his 'Conduct thoroughly investigated.
Surely, then, he was entitled to their votes, if the Gallant Ge-
neral, whom they were so anxious to defend, desired that in-
quiry should take place.—( Hear.) Having had the opportunity
of making, in the Court of King's Bench, the affidavit which
was now produced, he failed to avail himself of it. Why was
not Captain Sturt called to a courtmartial for his letter to
Col. Sweeny ? There was only one conjectural reason, which
was, that General Darling himself had authorized the writing
of the letter. Excluding the sentence, he asked that the pro-
ceedings in the courtmartial should be inquired into; this the
Hon. Gentleman opposite should consent to out of considera-
tion for General Darling. General Darling never could free
himself from the stigma of having authorized the writing of
the letter to Colonel Sweeny, except by the inquiry of the pro-
posed Committee.
Mr. SHAW thought there ought to be an inquiry; and he
said so in the belief that it would completely clear General
Darling of the charges which had been brought against him.
After a few words from Mr. P. HOWARD and Captain BoL-
DERO, which were interrupted by repeated cries of " Question,"
the House divided on the motion. The numbers were—

Ayes . .
Noes....

Majority
IRISH CHURCH BILL

. 89 '
, . 46
. -43

Lord MORPETH moved the Order of the Day for the
bringing up cf the Report of the Irish Church Bill.
The motion was agreed to, and Mr. BERSAL brought up the
Report.
On the motion that the Bill he re-committed,

Mr. Shaw, Mr, Plunkett, and Mr. Twiss, presented some
petitions against the Bill, and Mr. Lynch presented one in its
favour. We did not hear the places that the petitions were
presented from: _ _

Mr. SHAW would take that opportunity of stating. that,
objecting as be did to the appropriation clause, he should move
an amendment against it. He should propose to vest the pro-
perty of the Church not in the Crown but in Ecclesiastic
Commissioners ; he should object to the opening of the corn-
positions, and he should also propose the introduction of the
principle of redemption.
The House then went into Committee on the Bill.

Several clauses and verb it amendments were then agreed to.-
Mr. HUME proposed that a clause should be inserted with
a view to the repayment of the million proposed by the Bi!l to
be remitted to the Irish landlords. The sanctioning such a
principle as that upon which those who had offered effectual
resistance to the law, were relieved from all the consequences,
was extremely likely to lead to consequences under the new
arrangement which the framers of this measure did not at all
anticipate. The Hon. Member concluded by moving a clause
to the effect " that in every case where the arrears of any
tithe composition or any assignment for 1831, 1832, 1833,
and 1834, shall remain due at the passing of this Act, out of
lands chargeable with a sum equal to the rent charge of 7-10ths
provided by this Bill, there shall be payable an additional
charge of 21- per cent., to be recoverable out of and levied
on the land in the same way as the former rent charge, and
subject to all the regulations and provisions hereinafter to be
made for levying and receiving the same. That the proceeds
of this additional rent charge be paid over to the consolidated
fund for the purpose of reimbursing it for the advances
.which have already been made, or those which it may be
necessary to make." In order to guard against any injustice
being done to the Irish landlords by this clause, he should
hereafter move, that—where the same tenants did not reside
on the lands the sums which might be due by them should be
remitted.
Lord MO RPETH observed that the effects of the clause
which was proposed by the Hon. Member for Middlesex had
been discussed fully on the night when the Hon. Member for
Southwark brought forward his motion. He did not, there-
fore, think it necessary to enter on any further discussion with
respect to this clause.
Mr. II UNI E—The Noble Lord laboured under a mistake.
His Hon. Friend the Member for Southwark proposed no more
of raising the million, whereas he did.
Lord MORPETH—But several suggestions as to the
means by which the million was to be supplied were made and
discussed on that occasion. _ _

Mr. S. O'BRIEN was opposed to the proposed clause.
Mr. ROBINSON was very much afraid, if this sum were
wholly remitted, that it would only hold out an encouragement
to the violation of the law under the proposed rent-charge.
Mr. JAMES G RATTAN was of opinion that the clause
would be altogether impracticable. The landlrrds would find
it quite difficult enough to collect the 70 per cent. without im-
posing on them any additional charge.
Mr. SHAW thought a higher bonus should be allowed to
those who had obeyed the law, than those who violated it.

Mr. HARVEY—If the payment of a million were to se-
cure permanent peace to Ireland, so far from objecting to that
sum, there was no advance that he would not be willing to make
in order to secure that object. But as he was persuaded that
the new arrangement as prop-sed by this Bill, would not, and
ought not to reconcile the payment of tithes to the Irish peo-
ple, he was unwilling that the whole of the million should be
allowed to go into the pockets of the Irish landlords. Not
one sixpence of the money advanced was to be recovered—
( Hear, hear)—and he much feared that none of it would ever
find its way into the public exchequer. Indeed he had very
little doubt that hereafter it would be proposed that the Con-
solidated Fund of Great Britain should be directly available for
the support of the Irish Protestant clergy. An opportunity had
been afforded to Hon. Members the other night, when he
bad brought forward his motion, to prevent this abandon-
ment of the public funds; how far they had made use of
it was evidenced by the smallness of the minority which sup-
ported him on that occasion. He could readily conceive the
answer which some of them would return when their constitu-
ents spoke to them on the subject, and said, " We did not
see your name in that minority, when it was proposed that a
million should not be squeezed out of the pockets of the peo-
ple of England." " See my name in it I" would be the reply ;
" no, and that was the fault of the Hon. Member for South-
wark, who proposed to send the clergy of Ireland in search of
the million—how could we support such a motion ?"—( Laugh-
ter.) But that was not the case ; he had opposed the clause
in question, not for the purpose of throwing the payment upon
the clergy, but in order to cause the Government to take some
steps for securing it. If there were difficulty in getting back
the 650,0001. which had been advanced, there could be none
in retaining possession of the remaining 350,0001. which the
Government still had in hand. However desirable it might
be to advance money to aid the Irish clergy, the interests of
the people of England were certainly entitled to some consi-
deration. The Right Hon. Baronet the Member for Tam-
worth had said that if he had remained in office he should
have proposed to extend an equality of beneficence to the
three countries ; as church-cess had been renwitted to Ireland,
he contemplated the remission of church• cess in England, and
also a grant of money to Scotland. He proposed moreover to
give up the million, advanced on account of arrears, in the
case of Ireland. In the spirit of that impartial justice which
guided him, some proposition must have been afterwards
made for extending a similar remission of arrears to England,
and consequently for advancing another grant out of the public
purse. For Scotland also funds were to be provided out of
the funds of England. To use the expression of an Hon.
Member now in the Government, he would not consent that
the English people. should be a much cow, although it ap-
peared that she was to -be so. Beth countries—lreland and

Scotland, were making their applications to her ; and how it
was that she sustained the constant draughts upon her re-
sources was to him a matter of marvel.

Sir ROBERT PEEL said, in reference to the statement of
the Hon. Gentleman, that it had been his intention, had he re-
mained in office, to have adopted the principle laid down by his
predecessor, as Chancellor of the Exchequer (Lord Althorp)
and also take the course which the Noble Lord, his successor
(Lord J. Russell) had intended to pursue--namely, relieve
the people of England from the payment of church-cess to the
amount of about half a million annually, and substitute for that
burden a payment of about 250,0001. from the public funds.
The people of Ireland would have been called on to contribute
towards that amount so substituted, not deriving at the same
time any benefit from it ; and he had meant to vindicate the
remission of the million to Ireland, partly on that ground. It
was said that Ireland had enjoyed already the remission from
church-cess ; but England bad not been taxed for it. England
had not been the mulch cow—the church of Ireland—the old-
established cow—had been milked for the church-cess. As to
the remission made to the landlord, some remission ought
surely to be made for throwing a burden upon him without his
consent. On the whole, he himself was content, as an Eng-
lish Member, that the million should be remitted for the pur-
pose of securing peace.
The Gallery was then cleared for a division, but none took
place, and the motion was, as we :understood, withdrawn.
On our return to the Gallery we found
Mr. R. PL UNK ET T, reading an extract from a letter which
he had received from a Rector near Drogheda, stating that
several churthes had been broken into, and despoiled of vari-
ous articles. He observed also that an erroneous impression
seemed to be entertained in reference to the amount of the
duties of the Irish clergy. The area of Ireland contained
27,000 square miles, so that each clergyman had an•extent of
twenty-six square miles to superintend—a circumstance from
which some idea of the difficulties they had to encounter might
be formed.
_

Mr. TOOKE then rose to make his motion for providing
a stipend not exceeding 401. a year to be paid to meritorious
curates, who might be disabled from the discharge of their
clerical functions by age or infirmity.
After a few inaudible words from Lord MORPETI-1, the
amendment was withdrawn.

Air. FRENCH moved, in place of clause 89, a clause to
the effect that, when any tenant had served notice of his in-
tention to purchase the fee simple and inheritance of and in
the lands held under any sole ecclesiastical Corporation, the
sum should, if he desired it, be allowed to remain as a rent-
charge of 3-4 per'cent. on the lands, he being at liberty to re-
deem the whole or any part of that rent-charge at any future
period.
Mr. PERRIN opposed the clause.
. _

After a brief discussion, in which Mr. D. Roche, Mr,
O'Brien, Mr. O'Connell, Lord Morpeth, and Mr. Shaw par.
ticipated, the Committee divided :
For the amendment
Against it
Majority —l27

Mr. B ING HAM BA RING proposed the clauses of which
he had given notice. We understood the. Hon. Gentleman to
represent the great diminutions to which the revenue of the
Church in Ireland had for some years been subjected by Tithe
Composition and other Bills; at the same time that Protes-
tantism was on the increase in that country. Under these cir-
cumstances, it was desirous to prevent the succession of Par
liamentary struggles, which, as the proportion of Catholics
and Protestants in Ireland altered, might be expected to oc-
cur from year to year. The general object of his clauses was,
to invest in the hands of the Ecclesiastical Commissioners in
Ireland all the revenues of the sequestered cures in Ireland ;
to give the Ecclesiastical Commissioners the power of altering
the limits of benefices ; to give them also the power of en-
dowing new benefices, &c.
Lord 1110 RPET H said that to the principle of the clauses
moved by the Hon. Gentleman, he riot only did not object,
but, on the contrary, was disposed very cordially to assent.
He rejoiced that any proposition, involving so liberal a prin-
ciple, should proceed from that part of the House in which
the • Hon. Gentleman sat. The clauses proposed, certainly
would not interfere with the principle of the Bill ; and, no
doubt, would provide a remedy for the great disproportion and
inequality in the extent of ecclesiastical territory, duty, and
remuneration, which at present existed in Ireland • but at the
same time he was disposed to think that, as the Bill had pro-
ceeded thus far without these supplementary provisions, lie
should not be authorized in giving his consent to them, unless
they were approved and urged upon him by the general feeling
of the House.

Mr. SHAW thought that the effect of the clauses might be
to vest too great a power in an irresponsible body ; at all
events, the proposition required more consideration than it
would then be possible for the House to extend to it. On that
account he trusted the Government would not consent to en-
tertain it.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER thought
that the principle involved in the clauses was most valuable,
and hoped the House would not be induced lightly or negli-
gently to suffer it to pass by. He for one was ready to adopt
the clauses at once. No one felt more strongly than he did,
that it was the duty of Parliament to make the surplus fund
conducive to the purposes of Protestant education ; and he
thought that the Hon. Gentleman was entitled to the grati-
tude of the Protestants of Ireland for having brought forward
his proposition.
Mr. HUME said it was most gratifying to him to find a
proposition, which he had brought forward fifteen years ago,
and for which he was nearly torn in pieces, suggested by an
Hon. Gentleman belonging to that political party to which the
Hon. Member for Winchester was attached. The Hon. Gen-
ilcinan was perfectly correct when he said that the present
measure wound not be a final one unless it contained some such
provision as that which he proposed. Nothing could be more
consistent with justice, or with the interests of the Prstest ants
in Ireland, than that the funds should ha applied in the manner
that the Hon. Gentleman suggested.
Sir ROBE RT PEEL thought that the vs2uable part of
the discussion was the admission of the Right Hon. Gentle-
! man, the Chancellor of the Exchequer. Ile had understood
the Right Hon. Gentleman to admit that he was ready to as.
sent to the principle of clauses which would appropriate the
revenue of every parish in Ireland, except the 864 particularly
described in the Bill, to purposes connected with the Esta-
blished Church. The Right Hon. Gentleman distinctly ac-
knowledged that principle, because he talked of the fund to
which the clauses referred as an unappropriated fund. He
( Sir Robert Peel) apprehended that the people of England
would make no objection to the principle of providing a fund
for the education of the people of Ireland. There were some
difficulties no doubt ; but the principle being agreed upon, he
did not believe any objection would be made to a grant for the
purposes of education. 'The proposition now made was, that
they should provide a sum of forty thousand pounds for educa-
tion purposes—that an increase of the grant was required The
Noble Lord (Morpeth), in dealing with this subject, talked
first of a reserved fund ; but finding that he could create no
such fund, he then came down and voted fifty thousand pounds
to realize the expectation he had held out. He hoped his
lion. Friend would not precipitate a vote on the question,
which certainly required a more mature consideration than it
would then he in the power of the House to bestow upon it.
To any distribution of Ireland into districts, he should decid-
edly object. At the same time, he should be sorry to give a
direct negative to the proposition before the House.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL thought that the Right Hon.
Baronet had not exactly understood his Right Hon. Fiend
the Chancellor of the Exchequer when he said that with the
exception of the 860 parishes, the revenue would be appro-
priated exclusively to the purposes of the Protestant Church.
All that his Right Hon. Friend admitted was that the endow-
ments of the Church might be better distributed than they
were at present. That was the principle which he (Lord J.
Russell) understood to be involved in the, clauses brought
forward by the Hon. Member for Winchester; and he thought
it to be an extremely proper one. In the genera) proposition
contained in the clauses, therefore, he was fully disposed to
assent ; but in some respects he thought they would require
a more mature consideration. He was glad that the sugges-
tion had been made, but thought it would not be advisable to
press it to a division.
Sir R. PEEL offered a few observations in reply, and
concluded by asking the Noble Lord (J. Russell) what lie
meant to do with respect to the Irish Corporation Bill. As
it had not yet been delivered, he thought it would be impos-
sible that the House should be prepared to proceed with the
discussion at the time proposed.
Lord J. RUSSELL said that the Bill was printed, and
he believed, had been delivered that night. He thought, there-
fore, there would be no difficulty in,proceeding.

Mr. BARING replied, and the clause was put and ne-
gatived.
Mr. WALKER moved the addition of the clause, of which
he had given notice, providing, " That in all cases of leases
made at a rack-rent, at any time after the establishment of a
composition for tithes, in any parish of lands subject to the
payment of such composition ; and in cases of all leases made
at a rack-rent or otherwise, at any time after the passing of
the said recited Act of the second and third years of the reign
of his present Majesty, and after the establishment of a com-
position for tithes in any parish of lands subject to the payment
of such composition, the rent or rents reserved upon and made
payable by such leases, shall be reduced by a sum equal to the
difference between the amount of the composition heretofore
payable in respect of such lands respectively, and the amount
of the rent-charges which will, under the provisions of this
Act, become payable in lieu thereof; and that the party liable
to the payment of such reserved rent shall be entitled to de-
duct the amount of such difference accordingly."
After a short discussion the clause was agreed to. The
House resumed; the Bill, with the amendments, was re..
ported; the Report was ordered to be received (as we believe)
on Monday next.
MILITIA STAFF BILL.

Lord JOHN RUSSELL moved tho
.second reading of
:his Bill.

On the question being put,
Colonel SIBTHORP rose to oppose the motion. When
the general cheering from all parts of the House had somewhat
subsided, he said that he did so because the Bill had been in-
troduced at a late hour and at a late period of the session : it
was founded on no justice, no necessity, no economy, no ad-
vantage to the public, no, nothing.—( Hear.) It had been po-
litically surreptitiously brought in.—( Vehement cheering.)
It was a Bill, a project, a-a-measure—(Cheers)—which was
unconstitutional, uncalled for, unrequired, and unnecessary.
The Noble Lord might say it was founded on a point of eco-
nomy. The Noble Lord might be a very entertaining
man—(Cheers and laughter)--z-an uncommon entertaining
man in. private circles ; he might be a very clever man at the
Home Department, but be (Colonel Sibthorp) would tell that
Noble Lord that neithor he or his Noble Friend the late
erctary kit War, in the event uf their •wciu:d
ever get much further than tho awkward squad.—( Cheers, and
a scowl resembling laughter.), The militia was a censtitu.

tional body ; it had infused a feeling of security and.
faction into the hearts of our citizens at home—it had ittlinie
terror to the hearts of our hardiest foes abroad—and yeti
Noble Lord proposed to alter the constitution of this oonStake.
tional body, and to reduce its numbers in the proportion of 4:111r
third of two thirds.—( A decided laugh.) The Noble Lorcli.pa_e
ing no ear for music, proposed, in the first instance, by 4u.
sweeping, and he would say, revolutionary measure to do at r'
with all the drum-majors. Now were the people of this cot in
seriously to be told in the nineteenth century, that drum-ma-
jors were to be treated in this way? Wits it to be borne=, or
could it be supposed that drum-majors would respect the i 0
stitutions of their country, if the laws afforded dram-majors tin
protection ?—( Enthusiastic cheers.) The Noble Lord was not
aware probably—never having been a drum-major bimself--•
that the office was one of the most difficult to fill up at a Ino-
ment's warning, and that the course of training for a drum;
and
majorship, was both difficult and expensive.—(Cheers
laughter.) The introduction of this measure was neither ritoT
nor less than a consequence of that democratic spirit
wb
was floating about—(hear, hear, hear)—and which was to 00
found from beginning to end in all the proceedings
Noble Lord. The Noble Lord began his democratic career,
by destroying what he was pleased to call the rotten 1)0'
roughs • he then endeavoured to subvert the Corpo...ations--•
though 'here he rather expected the Noble Lord naioht be
caught; and then looking round for more prey it suariden!Y
struck him.—" The militia--another great constitutional body
—l'll have a touch at that."—(Much cheering, but muck' more
laughter.) laughter.) The present Bill was the result—this a4tak'k! °-
that great body of men—that efficient force—that—ow, ton,
question)—" Sir" (continued the Hon. arid Martial Me•ruherj
addressing an individual who had joined in the cry of queatt°Thi
" Sir, if you do not like to hear me, go to bed."—(Crea
laughter, and cries of " Order.") He begged that 11'°1;
Member to retire" to rest.—( Order.) He appealed to
Chair with the greatest possible respect, whether it was ft'lr
of that
that Hon. Members should make a point of interrupting.°;
individual who had not the slightest idea of what was going
on.-_( Laughter.) He begged pardon ; he meant that an in-
dividual should not be interrupted by Members who neither
knew what was going on ; nor, he believed he might add, in,
Parliamentary language, cared one straw about it.—( A laugh.
It was an act of legislative, economical injustice.—(Cheers .)
He would ask the Noble Lord, who pretended to feel for the
people—but who did not care, as he believed, twopence f°'r
the people—( Cheers)—whether he sincerely thought this
measure would be beneficial to the public ?—( Cheers.) WV
did the Noble Loyd adopt "the eleventh hour"—( Hear, hear)
—to bring forward an iniquitous measure of such consequence'
—( Hear, hear.) He protested against this Bill, and al°
against any measure emanating from the Government ; and ncei
should, on a future occasion, take care to tell the Noble Lo'
that the Bill was unbecoming the Treasury Bench—( Cheers)
—or any persons pretending to act for the benefit of the /
country.—( Cheers and laughter.)
Col. PERCIVAL protested against the Bill as inexPe'
client and unnecessary.
Mr. BROTH E RTON objected to going on with the tug.
cussion at such a late hour.
Lord J. RUSSELL defended the Bill, and denied that
any enactments in it would bear harshly on any portion of t"'".
militia staff.
Lord G. SOMERSET thought that the economical advan-
tage would not be an equivalent for reducing the militia staff
to such a state as to render it inefficient. It would be betterto
get rid of the militia staff altogether.
Lord HO WIC K contended that it was most absurd to lteeP
up the present system of militia. No less than six millions
had been expended on this almost useless branch of the servic,
since the peace. While the Government saw the necessity °'
change, they did not attempt to get rid of the militia staff air::
gether. The measure was fbunded on a recommendation 12' ",
Committee up stairs.
Lord S TOR 11 ONT opposed the measure, and would rather
they should get rid of the militia altogether than adopt such $
Bill as the present.
Col. TYRRELL insisted that there was no case made 0°
from the Report for the Bill.
• The Bill was then read a second time.
Mr. HUME moved the third reading of the Music an!
Dancing Licences' Bill, upon which a motion for adjournme°.
was made.
During our absence from the gallery several divisions to°!
place on similar motions. We understand that the Bill
eventually read a third time.
The other Orders of tile Day were then disposed of, and tils
House adjourned at Three o'clock.

•
The late extensive fire in Charter House-square, 1:
likely to fall more heavily on the Insurance offices, than 1111'
which has occurred for a considerable time.
The long-continued drought, and the consequent
scarcity of feed, has already had the effect of greatly dejiress‘
ing the various sheep fairs throughout the country.
According to present appearances the harvest 2,0
Ireland will be one of unusual abundance. All the crops,
especially wheat, are far beyond their condition at this pert
of the last year.—Dublin Register.
St
TREASURE TROVE.—June lln the month of
year we made mention of a large number of ancient silver e 0
r,
English, Scotch, Irish, and Flemish—some of them very ral,
;lid curious—having been found by a labourer while at 01.,
in a field near Stanley. The publicity we then gave this alij
cumstance brought it under the notice of the Exchequer, -Iv
officers, with an Exchequer warrant, were despatched to
David Greig, jeweller, in this city, who had made a purcltns
of the greater part of them from the person who found tiler;
to claim them on the part of the King. With the excePtl„°3
of a few which had been presented to public institutions, 11;
to the virtuosi, Mr. Greig accordingly surrendered the col
between 300 and 400 coins, at a considerable loss to libese;;
This week the Exchequer has returned him nearly the
having retained a few specimens of each sort.—Pe'rthCour‘e"'
ntg
IMPERIAL TOKAIr.—The Hungarian accon.-
state that the wine of' Tokay, the monarch- of wine, is 13:5,
grown solely near the village of Tokay, but in the erwir°,4
Although the eminence is upwards of 250 feet high, it is
the hill of Mezas Male which produces wine of the preel4.lo
qualite. The soil is principally composed of porphyry. pst
greater part of the mountain belongs to the Crown. The
greatest proprietors are Prince de Bretzenheim and Me 9,5 0 ,
de Pzirmann. In good years, the vintage of these meunt","ea
produces 400,000 casks of wine. King Bera IV. is suliPteel
to have been the first who cultivated this wine, which he es‘ribe
to he planted by Italian colonists. As early as 1351, the tro,
on it was worth 10,000 ducats to the Bishoprick of Erloy
The vintage takes place very late, sometimes not beforou`so
end of October. There are eleven kinds of vines on tnein
hills, which, though all are delicious, differ considerably e
each other. Each vintage produces three kinds of wine;i`e9,
first, that which flows spoataneously from the grapes theolse°,.o.
which may be called the essence of Tokay ; the second, P;iy
duced by a first pressure, which gives a wine of a second, ost
lity, and the second pressure, which produces the last and ""
inferior kind.

BIRTHS.
On the sth inst., in Upper Grosvenor-street, Lady Robert ,"
venor, of a daughter.
- lad/ of

On the Ist inst., at .onymusk, Aberdeenshire, the.
Robert Grant, Esq., of a daughter, still-born.
On the sth inst., at Cantley Parsonage, the lady of the el'
Charles Childers, of a son. b
, wife
On the 4th inst., at St. George's-terrace, Hyde-parA, the
of William Price, Esq., of a daughter. p.ricer'
On the 4th inst., in Peckham-lane, the lady of Thomas P-
Esq., of a son.

MARRED: 1.0
On the 6th inst., at St. Giles's ICamberwell, the of Rev 47„
Robertson, to Sophia Hopkins, daughter of the late Mr. 13°°'''
Milton, Berks. - Bober

On the 6th inst., at St. Pancras Church, the Rev. - Jape,
Deedes Wilmot, M.A., Vicar of Kennington, Kent, to
youngest (laughter of Charles Turner, Esq.' A.R.A. A Fitt
On the 3d inst., at the British Embassy, Brussels, Holrop:n co,
william, son of the late Benjamin Way, of Denham-place, f4foor
to Isabella Harriett, daughter of George Watkin Kenrick, of
Hall, Shropshire, and Mertyn Flintshire, Esq. IJeg'
On the 6th inst., at St. Luke's Church, Chelsea, Philip LTgrelt
Esq., of the Treasury, to Emily, third daughter of Richard Paver,
Esq., of Whitelands House, Chelsea, and Conduit-street, HP°
squaOnre .
the 23th ult., at St. George's, Hanover-square, G. TvgtAff'
Esq , of New Bond-street, to Miss Elizabeth Slatter, of the

street.
On the 6th inst., at the Parish Church of Measham, theitels
William T. Sandys, M.A., Vicar of St. Mary's, Beverley, sou; of
mestic Chaplain to the Right Him. Lord Belhaven, fifth _l4O
Myles Sandys, Esq., of Graythwaite Lancashire, to Cath;:s4.,
Elizabeth, only daughter of the late William Wootton AbneY„;
Royal Horse Guards Blue, and sister of William Wootton 1'
Esq.O , of Measham H
Mall, lit.rbyshire. f tb°
n the 3d inst., at arylebone Church, William, only 01°01'
late George Sowerby, Esq., of Lancaster, to Mrs. HalnlYn
Hams, widow of Owen Hamlyn Williams, Esq.
n 1410°,11'
On the 6th inst., at the Friends' Meeting House,
Rolles Driver, of Southampton, to Sarah Smith, of

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DIED. hoc of
On the 6th in,t., at Brighton, Louisa Anne Agnew, daug
the late Major-General Agnew, of the Madras Army.
On the sth of March, at Kaira, Bombay President)', ca 1.
Emily, only daughter of James S. Unwin, Esq., Artillery, ag
months. der
9 I
On the 3d inst., Maria, wife of Major-General Sir Alex
Leith, K. C. 8., of Freeiield and Glenkendie, Aberdeenshire',
daughter of RW. D. Thorp, M.D., of Leeds, Yorkshire. „olt•
At the house of her sister, Clarence-terrace, Regent
Sarah, daughter of the late Ralph Manco, Esq., of L0nd00.27 2d /ego
On the 2d inst., at. Everton, near Liverpool, in his •
Richard Daniel, third son of Thomas F. Dyson, Esq. „igire'
On the 6th inst., at the house of her, brother, in De"-
place, Caroline, the wife of John Kenyon, Esq. • Lelt'e9.
On the 6th inst., at the house of his son, Princes-street,
for
ter-square, Edward Arpthorp, of Barnet, Herts (late of the
of Southwark), aged 47. _oder,
On the '2d inst., drowned, Horace William Alexinder n'iross
Esq., of Horselydown. This much lamented youth was throwlola
the deck of a pleasure yacht into the Thames by the sudden
of the mainsail. ei
On the sth inst., aged six mouths, Mary,
daughter of .1.20 .
Murray, Esq., of Mecklenburg-square. absrd
Ott the 6th inst., aged 39, Giles, second son of the late
Stevens, law bookseller, of Bell-yard, Lincoln's inn. . •
e' vaittll : 1)-aJii6ii.‘ii by (-)6.`'L" Co
112, Strand, at Me Sun Oftke, No. 112, Strand, in the -
of Middlesex. •

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