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the manner in which he conducted himself towards his own
subjects, he maintained his position as long as suited his
convenience, he never made the slightest concession to Eng-
land and France, and he-departed to another stat e of being
in the obdurate triumph of a bad policy. This was perhaps)
the most remarkable result that had recently been obtained
by such interference, but no doubt the observation and
memory of noble lords would remind them of other such
instances. He must therefore express his opinion that
it was not the interference itself which was improper, but
the mode of that interference Was objectionable ; and he
trusted that this example would not be forgotten, but
would be remembered to the improvement of our policy on
future occasions. (Cheers.) The name of a very illus-
trious foreign Minister 'had been mentioned in this conver-
sation with a high panegyric. So far as he (Lord Strat-
ford de Redcliffe) knew anything of the subject, he be-
lieved that, so far as talents were concerned, and a natural
desire to serve Italy, that Minister was worthy of such a
panegyric ' but when he looked at the evidence there was
respecting the policy which had been pursued, and when he
saw nothing to prevent him from justly concluding that that
policy had been mainly brought about by him, he thought
that Minister had a great deal to answer for. (Hear.) He
thought it would be a misfortune for this country and for
this house if some opportunity were not afforded of expres-

sing the opinions excited in their minds by those circum
stances. Was it possible to lose sight of the manner in
which, to all appearance, the revolutionary movement had
been brought about in the Central States of Italy, where the
representative of the King of Sardinia was himself em-
ployed, to all appearance, in bringing about revolution ? He
(Lord Stratford de Redcliffe) would venture to say that,
supposing it to be a fact that the Sardinian Minister at
Florence really took part in such a conspiracy, he rendered
himself amenable to the laws of the country, and if the
Grand Duke of Tuscany had got that Ministerinto his power,
his diplomatic character would not have sheltered him from
being hanged at his own door. He (Lord Stratford de Red•
cliffe) did indeed believe, looking back to his recollections
of an earlier period in the history of our own country, that
such would have been the fate of any foreign minister who
should have acted that way here when Cromwell was the
ruler of this country. One might sympathise ever so much
with the cause of freedom in Italy, still the employment of
means of that sort could not be appreved of. It was gain-
ing a little advantage at the expense of sacrificing the good-
will of the civilised world. Now it was absolutely neces-
sary that opportunities should be afforded in that house of
expressing their opinion upon the recent events. What
was to become of that principle of deference to public
opinion, by which States were held together, if it was not
to find some expression in their lordships' hovse ? He had
been delighted to hear his noble and learned friend (Lord
Brougham) express his opinion so freely, although on
Friday evening last his noble and learned friend
had interrupted him. (A laugh.) At the same time,
he quite agreed that his noble friend who represented the
Government in that house had exercised a sound discretion
at this moment in requesting the noble earl opposite to put
off that which would have brought the matter into general
discussion. He trusted, however, that an opportunity would
come when that house would be enabled to discuss the mat-
ter, and, as he hoped, with some advantage.
Lore WODEHOUSE had not the slightest desire to pro-
long this discussion, which he thought was most inoppor-
tune ; but, he must observe that he, in common with his
noble friend (Earl Granville), thought that a discussion on
foreign affairs at the proper moment would be of the greatest
advantage to the country and the Government, and he was
sure that when the opportunity came for these matters to be
discussed, his noble friend would be desirous that the opinion
of Parliament should be fully and fairly expressed. But the
reason why they deprecated any discussion upon this occa-
sion was, that they did not know what they were about to
discuss. They had not the facts before them, upon which
they could form an opinion. (Hear.) When they should
have obtained those facts, her Majesty's Government would
form their own opinion, and then no doubt their lordships
would be ready to listen to that opinion and to express their
sentiments, either in concurrence with it or not. As to the
papers asked for, there were two circulars dated the 14th and
16th of June, which had beon sent by Count Cavour to be
communicated to her Majesty's Government; they were
read by the Sardinian Minister to his noble friend the Sec-
retary for Foreign Affairs, but no copies had been placed in
his hands, so that, although they had appeared in the news-
papers, he could not lay them before Parliament. The other
document asked for a despatch of her Majesty's Govern-
ment referrring to those despatches of Count Cavour, and
it should be laid on the table.
The Earl of MALMESBURY said the answer to those
circulars would be unintelligible if the circulars themselves
were not printed also. It was desirable, therefore, that the
Foreign Secretory should ask for copies of those circulars.
Lord WODEHOUSE said the despatch of the noble lord
wasnot strictly an answer to those circulars, but merely con-
tained the observations made by the noble lord upon those
circulars being read to him. In fact, -it contained very little
more than the other despatch, which the noble marquis
(Normanby) had moved for. The circular referred to had
appeared in the newspapers.
The motion was then agreed to.
The Clerk of the Council Bill was read a second time.
The Earl of DONOUGHMORE presented a petition
from the North Staffordshire Railway Company, praying
to be heard against the London and North-Western and
other Railway Companies Working and Traffic Arrange-
ments Bill," which had been ordered, on the motion of the
Duke of Devonshire, to be recommitted on Monday next.
He (the Earl of Donoughmore) having been absent when
the noble duke moved the recommittal of the bill, wished to
know what course should be adopted.
Lord REDESDALE said the noble duke moved the re-
committal of the bill under the impression that it was not
opposed. Perhaps it would be better to discharge the order
for the recommittal on Monday, and put it off till Tuesday.
Lord STANLEY of ALDERLEY and Lord PORTMAN Ob-
jected to this course as irregular, since the proper notice of
the recommittal had been given, and there would be an op-
portunity of opposing the bill on the third reading.
It was agreed to leave the matter to the decision of the
committee, and no motion was made.
Their lordships then adjourned.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.-(YESTERDAY.)

The SPEAKER took the chair at four o'clock.
WITHDRAWAL OF ELECTION PETITIONS,

The SPEAKER announced that the petitions against
the return of the members for the boroughs of Athlone,
Berwick-on-Tweed, and Sandwich were withdrawn.
PRIVATE BUSINESS.

The Lords', amendments to the following bills were con-
sidered and agreed to :--Castle Douglas and Dumfries
Railway, Hertford, Luton, and Thanstable Railway, Lanid •
loes and Newtown Railway, Portsmouth and London and
South-Western Railway Companies, and Sevenoaks Rail-
way Bills.
The following bills were read a third time and passed ;
Blackburn and Preston Road and Bridge, Bradford, Wake-
field, and Leeds Railway, Colne Valley and Halstead Rail-
way, Liverpool Exchange, Metropolitan Railway (Devia-
tions, &c.), Tendring Hundred Railway.
MINERS.

Mr. KINNAIRI) presented a petition from Barnsley
district, signed by 5,500 miners and others, for short time
and education for the children employed in coal and iron-
stone mines, and for a uniform system of weighing the ma-
terial at the pit's mouth ; and, also, for the adoption of
means to elevate tha physical and intellectual condition of
miners.