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London, England, 1859-08-06 00:00:00

LIVIPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

HOUSE OF LORDS—(YESTERDAY).
The LORD CRANCELLOR took his seat on the wool3ack
at five o'clock.

CHURCH RATES.
The Duke of MARLBOROUGH laid upon the table the
-report of 'the -select' committee on church-rates. The
,committee did not consider.themselves in a position to give
a satisfactory report to their lordships, and therefore only
presented the evidence they had received. ' The committee
next
were of i
a
f opnicrii that a committee should be appointed early

ENDOWED SCHOOLS ,
Tho' LORD" CHA.NCELLOR said leg,islation on this
isUbject Was no 'doubt desirable, but it was too late now to
consider the-subject this:Session.
THE• TREATY OP PEACE.
next
Lorhe 'shod NORMANDY gave, notice that on Monday
uld' put a question to the ,noble. earl the
President of the Council with reference to the terms peade
Which were under discussion'revioo to signinthe,treaty
'cAsVillafranea.. The noble lord said 4;Waa not has intention
on this occasion to provoke diseursion, but he tinated:when
'Parliament -re-assembled they would be in a position to
Tully discuss the 'subject of cOntiuenstal affairs
TIII RD READINGS.
The following bills were, .on the thotion• 7of Lord
read a third tithe told .passed,:— The
Eastbourne Water, North!
,Eastern Railway (Harrogate
Branches), WaVeney Valley ,Railway, and South York-
Shire Railway Companies Bill ; 4'euth Staffordshire
:Railway, Epping Railway ; .Latieuhire and :Yorkshire
and East Lancashire Railway,; p Leeds, Bradford,
and .1-14ifax. Junction Railway, ; Tendring Hun-.
dreds Wail way, Victoria Station and Pimlico Railway.

. . . EDUCATION IN IRELAND. •
Lord. CLONCA,RTY asked whether itwas the intention
of the:GoVernmen.t ,to propose any change in the system of
national, education•at present in operation
.in Ireland, with
a; view to the-relief of those wha object• to avail themselves
of it. The noble lord said he had heard it rumoured that
there was•to 'be a commission to inquire, but he looked upon
such a :proceeding as a., tub thrown out to catch a whale.
There was no lack_of informationton the subject to enable
the Government to come to some decislion on the point. -
Earl GRA:N-VILLE said it was not intended to :issue a
commission, as;,, such a course • was • totally unneces-
sary. As to • the 'enact i time' wb.eri a measure Would
be: introduced, :he ...could only" say that the Secretary
for: Ireland . was lully Alive to 'the itopbrtance of
the question;-. and would do all he could to prepare a bill on
the subject, but he could not give the noble
,Itst,crany dis-
tinct pledge when such bill 'would be produced':'-
After a few words; from the Earl of Donbi*lintore? Lord
Dungannon, and: tha'Earl of Leitrim, tho •subfetft`'dropped.
The Westminster Newßridge Bill, and the Militia Ballot
'I S ension Bill, passed through committee ; the: Military Suspension
Savings' Bank Bill.was read a third' time ;- the Imprison-
ment for.Small..Debts• Bill, the Queen's Remernbrancer
Bill, the County Cess (Ireland)- Bill, the , University of
Scotland Bill, Ylanufactures (Ireland) Bill, the Constabu-
lary Force (Ireland) Bill, and the Dwellings-for Labouring
Classes (Ireland) Bill, passed throughicomniittee.
The Local Government Supplemental Bill; the Colonial
Legislatures Power of Repeal Bill, thb Bermuda Govern..
meat Bill, the Railway Companies Arbitration Bill, the
Marriages (Lisbon) Bill, and the Chariefilikle' Trusts Acts
Continuance Bill were severally reaci:telihird time and
passed. ! : ~3wled ••,. •
. The Law Aseertainments Facilities Bill 5iS read a second
time. ' -•.. ' f . ~
The Commons . Amendments to the Velations Indict-
ments Bill were agreed to. • - • .
i Their lordships adjourned. '

HOUSE Or COMMONS—(YESTERDAY.)
The SPEA.IcLt took the chair at,l2 o'clock.

. . -
•SALE OF GAS BILL ..'' Several petitions were prOented in favour of this bill.
THE. KINGSTON-UPON-HULL ELECTI'ON.—
ARREST OF COL. F. GREVILLE;
Ect The SERGEANT- AT-Arims announced that; akreeably to
the order of the Speaker, he had given instructions that
Ca Greville, a member of that house, should be arrested,
and he was at present in custody.
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL for 'IRELAND said
that he was auhorised by his hon. and gallant friend, the
ember for Longford, to say thatihelvas absent from the
house' on what he boliceivedlinportapt:public duty, and that
'rtitnediately on receing a' notice at his seat, in Ireland
he came over, and on his way he met the Deputy-Serjeant.
He was also authorised to say that his hon. and 'gallant
riend hadnot intended to neglect his duty, or to commit
ny disrespect to' the house. The hon. and gallant meth-
ber 'regretted extremely the inconvenience and expense
'‘chichthe;Parties'interestedin the petition had been put to
1.)3, his absence.

'..
Sir F. BARING said he hoped, from what the house
ad heard, ' that it would not be considered necessary to
roceed further in this matter; It was not necessary to add to
he painful feelings of the hon. and gallant member, and
therefore he would move that he should be discharged from
c Ustody on the payMent of the fees.
i • The motion was agreed to.
I ' The committee appointed to try the merits of the King-
Mon-Upon-Hull election petition was then sworn.
SVPPBY.-LCLEANSING THE SERPENTINE.
yOnthe report of the Committee of Supply, agreed to
esterday mornino., being brought up,
i .Sir J. PA.XTOS. said he thought the vote:of £17,000
for the purpose of purifying the Serpentine had been agreed
Ito rather hastily, and he thought it was quite impossible at
present to say what the actual expense of the undertaking
would be. Besides' the steam-engines and. filtering appa-
ratus that were to be erected would disfigure Kensington-
gardens.

Sir J. SIIE I.LEY offered 'some Observations ,to the
same effect, and die* attention to the state of the bed of the
water, in whicth there were holes to the depth of 24 feet,
which, from the faCilities that existed for obtaining rubbish,
Might have been easily filled up.
After a few words from Mr. WALTER,'
; Sir M. FARQVIIAR said the proposal agreed to in this
case was merely a half • measure, and would prove ineffec-
tual so long as the mud 'at the bottom of the water was per-
Mitted to continue in its present condition, or the Ranelagh
sewer was'allowed to empty itself into the Serpentine.
Mr. FITZROY said that he could only repeat the state-
ment he. had made yesterday. When he came into office
he found there were two plans to be considered, and one of
them involved an expense which it would have been im-
possible to estimate until the water was cleared off. The
pumping machines would be used for 200 days in the year,
and the expense would be only £1 a-day.
The report was then agreed to, as well as the report of
the votes of last 'night.

RESERVE VOLUNTEER FREE SEAMEN BILL.
On the motion for going into committee on this bill,
Lord C. PAGET, in moving that the house go into corn-
raittee on this bill, said that, 'as it had been read a second
time without discussion, he might take that opportunity of
explaining the provisions of the measure. Many hon. gen-
tlemen might think that at a time when they read in the
Noniteur that a general disarmament was about to take
place in France, both with regard to sea and land forces, it
was somewhat inopportune to bring before the House of
Commons a measure with the object of strengthening the
British navy ; but he could only say that in his opinion, as
a naval man, this was the best opportunity that could be
chosen for taking such a course. The object of this bill was
not to increase our fleet, but to provide a militia force for
the sea, as a reserve for recruiting our navy. The principle
of a militia force was generally adopted in all countries, and
it was to him a perfect marvel that a nationwhichdepended
so much upon the sea for its security as England did not
possess anything in the shape of a naval reserve. It was
true that, of late years, the Coastguard, which was, as far
as it went, an efficient reserve force, had been increased, but
the number of men beliinging to it and disposable as a re-
serve was lessthan 4,000. They had besides, a force called
the Coast Volunteers. Great doubts had been expressed by
many persons.' and by the Royal Commission efhich sat
last year on the subject of manning the navy, as to' the effi-
ciency of that force in the event of an emergency. He was
t for the purposes forwhich
it would be found efficient inieetve(duateheaft
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quired,be
it was intended. There was, however, one radical defect
could not be required to go further
connected with that force—namely,that Volun-
teersthtehCanoa3sotomles
from their own coast ; and although, therefore, they might
f the navy. The subject of a re-
y
general purposes o
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or
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regarded
hf oardatsheofdefaennycegroefat thoetilcitoyasfto,
rththeye
for many years past occupied
the attention of eminent men. During the last great
maritime war, the odious system .of impressment was
in full operation ; but public opinion was so strongly
xptairrteagainst that
last three y
system that it
of itgradually fell into dis-
use,h andelsuyd noffsduringci the the war it was almost
rive. He had the other night made a
statementsome-
to the house, which showed that the
weencseniaueg ae
effect of impressment during the last three years of the war
had produced a loss instead of a gain to the navy. There
was no doubt that the system of impressment had been
abandoned never to be revived,. but no substitute had been
provided for it, and the successive Boards of Admiralty had
applied their attention to the adoption of some means by
be rendered availatttiblitvelyeahomifuofoeusrst
seamen
meal
mee
beingeon proposed
wvfoywaritne
which, in case of emergency, sufficient reserves might be
r.
provided for the navy. Allusion had frequently been made
to the admirable French system of the inscription maritime,
g
that
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te u lye ne
under which a vast number of seamen cluld at any moment
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would early in the next session take the matter into their
consideration, with the view of adopting such regulations
to obviate existing evils as might be consistent with the
ebriesathitnthereons.tms oenif thlicen. country.
Car-
lisle ereffifecreienncoey
to
of
tthhiesnsauvhyjetrent.d the Since that time various propositions had been made with
lisle (Sir. J. Graham) introduced the Seamen's Enlistment
and RegistratiOn Bill in 1835 ; and in 1847 the hon. and
gallant member for Southwark submitted to the house a
motion for an enlistment of seamen with reference to reserves,
which, however, was not adopted. In 1852 the right hon.
baronet the member for Portsmouth (Sir F. Baring) was so
strongly impressed with the necessity of forming a naval re-
serve that he asked for a vote for that purpose; but in con-
sequence of a change in the Government that proposal did
not receive the sanction of Parliament. In 1852 a commit-
tee was appointed to consider this question, and it recom-
mended various means of manning the navy, including the
adoption of the continuous service system, the increase of
the coastguard, and the enrolment of coast volunteers. 1n
consequence of the recommendations of that committee the
system of continuous service was adopted,
. and although it
had sustained some violent shocks, he believed that if there
was no sudden reduction of our naval force it would intime
be productive of great advantages. The Royal Commission
which was appointed last year in consequence of a motion
of the hon. and gallant member for Southwark had made
numerous suggestions for improving the condition of sea-
men in the navy, and many of their recommendations hal
been carried out by the late and by the present Govern-
ments. The recommendation of the committee that the force
of Royal Marines should be increased had been adopted, and
he hoped no long time would elapse before their suggestion
that a body of seamen should always be kept 'at the home
ports would also be carried into effect. The 'principal re-
commendation of the commissioners was, however, that from
20,000 to 30,000 men Should be enrolled as a reserve force,
under the title of Royal Naval Volunteers. The commis-
sioners proposed that these men should eeeWve a' retaining
fee of .C 6 per annum, of which shouldlA deducted and
set apart for a pension fund. The commigffiblitkES also recom
mended, at the age of 50 or 55, these men shetild be entitled
to a pension of Gd a day, and that.they shouldiheve the op-
tion of either receiving that pension or a snicacel.amount
which' should- -be 'continued to their widows arid Pfamilies.
The bill now before the house was framed upon that sug-