The Sun.
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THE SUN, LONDON, TUESDAY, JUNE 23, 1835.

SECOND EDITION.
SUN OFFICE, Seven o'clock.

THE LONDON GAZETTE

THIS EVENING.

CROWN OFFICE, JUNE 23.
MEMBER RETURNED TO SERVE IN THIS PRESENT PARLIAMENT.
Irswicx.—James Morrison and Rigby Wagon, Esqrs., in the
room of Robert Adam Dundas and Fitzroy Kelly, Esqrs., void
election.
Ho LL.—Thomas Perronet Thompson, Esq., in the room of Da-
vid Carruthers, Esq., deceased.

DECLARATIONS OF INSOLVENCY.
JAMES HUTTON, baker, Piccadilly.
JOHN WATTON, surgeon, Upper Bedford-place, Middlesex.

BANKRUPTS.
ROBERT SMITH, Church-street, Gravesend, Kent.
CHARLES PEARSON, manufacturing chemist, Greenwich.
GEORGE SIMMONS, surgeon, King's-cross, St. Pancras.
GEORGE EXTON TURNER, auctioneer, Cheltenham.
JOSEPH WRIGLEY, wollen cloth manufacturer, Knowl,
Yorkshire.
EBENEZER HANCOCK, hackneyman, Sheffield.
WILLIAM CLARK, hop-merchant, Kingston-upon-Hull.
JAMES GREENWAY, merchant, Plymouth.
PETER LEE, scrivener, Winchester.

THE PARLIAMENT.

(THIS EVENING.)

HOUSE OF LORDS.

Lord DENMAN took his seat on the Woolsack at 5 o'clock.
Lord ELLENBOROUGH said he was instructed, in the
absence of a Noble Duke (Wellington), to give notice
that to-morrow the Noble Duke would move a resolution, ac-
knowledging the great services of William Courtney, Esq.,
now the Earl of Devon, while he was Clerk Assistant of that
House, unless the motion was made by the Noble Viscount
at the head of the Government..
Several private Bills were brought up from the Commons.
Lord BROUGHAM said, in consequence of the absence of
many Noble Lords, he begged to postpone his motion for re-
suming the adjourned discussion upon the resolutions respect-
ing Education, till to-morrow.
The Earl of MELVILLE presented several petitions,
praying for a further endowment of the Scottish Church.
Lord BROUGHAM presented a petition from the Relief
Congregation of Falkirk, against any further grant. The pe-
titioners stated there were now plenty of unlet sittings in the
Establishment.
Lord DU NC ANNON had made enquiries respecting the
appointment of one of the Education Commissioners in Ire-
land, but had not been able to ascertain anything upon the
matter. He would have some correspondence upon the sub-
ject in Ireland, and would give an answer on Monday next.
The Annual Indemnity Bill was read a second time, the
other Bills on the table were forwarded a stage, and the
House adjourned till to-morrow.

HO USE OF COMMONS.
The SPISAKER took the chair at a quarter before 4 o'clock,
but as there was a ballot for a committee to try the merits of
the second petition of the return of Mr. O'Dwyer for Drog-
heda, the Gallery was not opened till twenty minutes after four.
While strangers were excluded, Colonel P. Thomson, the
newly elected Member for Hull, was introduced by Mr.
Pryme and Dr. Bowriug. He took the oaths and his seat
amidst loud cheers.
On the motion of Sir W. FOLK ES, the Wells (Norfolk)
Harbour Bill was read a third time.
CATHOLIC VOTERS' OATHS.
Mr. S. CRAWFORD had been charged to present a pe-
tition, signed by 281 of the electors of the town of Belfast,
upon the subject of the present state of the law regarding the
oath taken by Catholic voters at the election of members of
that House, and praying that the House would pronounce
the oath no longer an essential preliminary to the exer-
cise of the elective franchise. As he had a notice on the
Minutes of that House to call their attention to the subject,
and as he would have, therefore, an opportunity of so doing,
he would content himself by simply presenting the petition.
ABOLITION OF TITHES.
Mr. M AHE R rose to present several petitions from parishes
in the county of Wexford, praying for the total abolition of
tithes. One of them (that from the Barony of Firth,)
was signed by 1,960 of the inhabitants. He had further to
call the consideration of the House to another petition, which
was of a more immediate nature, and demanded a more imme-
diate attention, if not interference. The petitioners whose
petitions he had just laid on the table, might wait, and would
do so, in the full confidence that a measure would be brought
forward of such a nature as would afford full relief, but the pe-
tition which he held in his hand was more immediately
pressing. The petitioners could not wait, and they
therefore prayed the immediate interference of the House.
They prayed the interposition of the House in the case of cer-
tain law-suits, instituted in the Court of Exchequer in Ireland,
on the part of Dr. Ebrington by the Diocesan Committee
of Ferns. He thought that, after what had been stated a few
evenings since by the Hon. Member for Brighton ( Captain
Pechell), in alluding to the case of the Rev. Mr. Cook Kemp,
the House would easily commiserate the defendants in such
proceedings, reduced, as they were, by the pressure of the
times, and the heavy amount of tithes. The petitioners, it
appeared, had waited upon Dr. Ebrington upon the subject of
these proceedings, and he informed them that he had handed
over all his power and jurisdiction to the Diocesan Committee.
In this stage of the proceedings he could not even allow his
humanity to interfere. The costs of these suits amounted to
at least 301. to each of these miserable farmers ; but without
troubling the House further, he would refer it to the contents
of the petition, which was the best advocate of their cause.
Captain PEC HELL supported the petition, and said he
would have a similar one to present from Sussex.
DROGHEDA COMMITTEE.
The members of the Drogheda Election Committee were
sworn in. The only names we could catch were those of
Sir Charles Knightley, Sir R. H. Inglis, the Right Hon.
H. Goulburn, Sir W. Follett, Mr. T. Wood, and Mr. Pease.
BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE.
Mr. WAKLEY rose to propose a motion of which he had
given notice—" That the ballot for entering the names of
Members having public petitions to present, do take place 20
minutes before the time appointed for Mr. Speaker taking the
chair." The Hon. Memberhoped that as the object of this motion
was to secure the dispatch of the business of the House, that
it would be decided immediately, because the present system
was pregnant with very serious inconvenience to every Member
of the House. At present Members had to come down
to the House at 12 o'clock, and many of them had miles to
return again ; but if the Ballot was taken 20 minutes before
the House meeting, this necessity would be done away with.
If, therefore, there was no opposition to his motion, he should
wish to have it decided at once.
,m Mr. BUCKINGHAM said that he had given notice of an
amendment upon this motion, which he acknowledged was an
improvement upon the present system, and yet likely to bo
productive of great inconvenience, because the nearer they ap-
proached to the time of the House meeting, the greater
difficulty there would be in arranging the business.
Sir G. CLERK thought that the proposed plan would be
>3 unjust to many Hon. Members having petitions to present.
Mr. WILK S was sure that if those Hon. Members had
heard the complaints of inconvenience from all parts of the
House, they would at once be persuaded to adopt the motion of
21 the Hon. Member for Finsbury.
The SPEAKER suggested that the continuation of this
discussion, at the present moment, would have the effect of
preventing many Hon. Members from presenting petitions that
0 evening.
5 Mr. BUCKINGHAM said, that as it would have that
eff.,ct, he would withdraw his amendment.
_„ Mr. WAKLEY said, that after the intimation from the

Chair, he felt bound to withdraw his motion for the present
but he begged the House to understand, however late it might
be, he would bring it on to-night.
The subject then dropped.
Mr. G. F. YOUNG presented a petition from Tynemouth,
praying for an alteration in the duties on British Colonial
Timber. The Hon. Member stated, that in his opinion any
alteration in the Timber Duties, such as those contemplated
by those who had introduced the Select Committee on the
Timber Duties, would be productive of great injury. The
petition was referred to the Select Committee on the Tim-
ber Duties. The Hon. Member presented a petition from the
same place, praying the House to adopt measures to check the
progress of intemperance. The Hon. Member conceived that
upon this subject great misapprehension prevailed. He
thought, though Acts of Parliament could net prevent men
from committing acts of intemperance, yet that these evil pro-
pensities ought to be placed under proper legislative control.
The Hon. MEMBER also presented another petition from
Teignmouth, levied on their shipping, and praying for relief.
Referred to a Committee on the Leith Harbour Bill.
Mr. WOOD presented a petition from Halifax against the
Marriage Bill and the Imprisonment for Debt Bill.
Lord W ALPOLE presented a petition from Norfolk, com-
plaining of agricultural distress.
LAMBETH ELECTION.
Mr. HAWES presented a petition, of which he had given
notice, from an individual named John Thomas Loadon, com-
plaining of undue interference at the last election for
Lambeth. The petitioner complained that he had been fre-
quently solicited by Mr. Newman, of the Bridge-house, to
vote for Alderman Farebrother, one of the candidates at the
last election, and that on the 9th of January a coach and
four persons were sent by Mr. Newman for him. That having a
wife and family, at their earnest request he had gone on the fol-
lowing day and polled for Ald. Farebrother. That he had been
subsequently dismissed by Mr. Newman, and had not since
been able to obtain any situation or employment. The Hon.
Member bore testimony to the respectability of the petitioner,
and moved that the petition be referred to the Committee on
bribery at elections.
Alderman WOOD said tho petitioner had applied to the
Corporation, who, after fully investigating his case, had
found that there was not one word of troth in Hear,
hear.) fie (414yrnaii Wood) I\7o net there to support
the cause of Alderman Varebrother—he would be one of the
last men for whom he would come forward, but the truth should
be told. The petitioner had received notice to leave Mr.
Newman's service—he was the servai.t of Mr. Newman, and
not of the Corporation, and the dismissal had T.Vlis talen
place previous to the Lao,theth hlectiom.
- '(ORPOTWrg. n'EVOIAM.
Mr. GISBOURNC had a pet t() preEent from the city
of Leiqeflieri istgrPtt to IA 4 VAliq 11WPtilka, called by
aublic ikavigtisertlerlt Althoktgli it contained only
• I hAlifi lutLr signami rerresented those

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of upwards of 9,000 of the inhabitants. They prayed the
House to pass a measure for the Reform of Munictpl Corpo-
rations. As this most respectable Corporation was, as he
hoped, about to be defunct—( A laugh)—he would not then
make any observations upon this petition.
Petitions to the same effect were presented by Mr. BONHAM
CARTEL from Portsmouth, and by Mr. FOSTEL from Walsall.
IRISH CHURCH.
Lord MORPETH rose to explain, agreeably to an intima-
tion given last night, the course he should pursue in reference
to the Irish Church question. It was his intention to move
for leave to bring in a bill, but first he should propose that the
order of the 23d day of March should be read in order to
have it discharged. He should next move that the resolution
of the 7th of April should be read, which related to the ap-
plication of the surplus revenues of the Church, and thereon
he should move for leave to bring in a Bill for the better regu-
lation of the ecclesiastical revenues, and for the promotion of
religious and moral instruction in Ireland.
DUTY ON COFFEE.
Mr. P. STEWART had to ask some very important ques-
tions of the Right Hon. the Chancellor of the Exchequer re-
specting the equalization of duties on coffee : first, when it
was proposed that the reduced scale of duty should take
place; second, how it would affect the stock of coffee of the
present year; and lastly, and this was the most important, in
what manner he proposed to guard the British Colonists in
the East and West Indies, from the introduction of Foreign
coffee ?
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER replied
that it was his intention that the scale should not extend to
home consumption, and that measures should be taken
to prevent the introduction of Foreign coffee.—( Hear, hear.)
In order to carry that into effect, it would be necessary that all
coffee introduced into this country should be accompanied with
evidence of its growth at the place from whence it pur-
ported to come.—( Hear.) As to the time at which the
alteration was to take effect, that must depend upon the
time required to produce the necessary evidence, for unless
coffee was accompanied with that certificate, it could not be
allowed to be received. As to the other grant, the proper
time to discuss that would be when he brought in the Bill for
the equalization of duties ; but the Hon. Member might rest
assured that it was his earnest desire, in proposing an equa.
lization of duties, to state it in a manner to prevent any abuse
of privileges.
An HoN. MEMBER gave notice, that on the 19th clause,
the Municipal Reform Bill coming under the consideration of
the House, he should move that no person in holy orders,
licensed dissenting minister, or persons holding office under
the Crown, should b Imlmb
members of the town council.
Mr. SHAW wished to know of the Noble Lord opposite
( Morpeth), whether it was his intention to bring in the Bill of
which he had given notice, relative to the Irish tithes, without
first going into a Committee ?
Lord MORPETH said it was his intention to bring in
the Bill without adopting that mode of proceeding.
MUNICIPAL REFORM BILL.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL requested Hon. Members who
had motions on the Orders of the Day to postpone them, for
the purpose of enabling the House to proceed with the
Committee on the Corporation Reform Bill.
Sir WILLIAM FOLLETT gave notice that he should
move an amendment on clause 9.
The House then went into Committee, Mr. BERNAL in
the Chair.
Sir R. PEEL begged to ask the Noble Lord (Russell)
what the operation of clause six would be after the amend-
ment of which he had given notice ? He would suggest
that electors should have paid their rates at the time the
overseers' lists were made up. He suggested the amendment
because it was in exact conformity with the provisions of the
Reform Act. He believed that the alteration that had been made
in clause 6, would supercede the necessity of this amendment,
because it adopted the principle of the amendment—because
it required that those only should be included who had paid
up their rates, with the exception of the six months next
preceding. This was a great improvement, and would prevent
many abuses which he was sure would occur if persons were
allowed to pay up their rates on a sudden, as it would induce
candidates to pay them for hint He hoped he was understood.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL replied, certainly. It was no
doubt a great improvement that there should be a fixed time
at which the rates should be paid up, to entitle the rate-
payer to vote, and he thought that the last day of August
would be the best day.
Sir ROBERT PEEL begged the Noble Lord to consider
whether he should not take a few days previously. He would
propose the 20th of August, for instance, in order that the
overseer might have some definite time allowed him, or say
the last day of August, and then allow the lists to be made up
to the 2d or 3d of September.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL said the proposal was certainly
more in conformity with the Reform Bill—he had rather,
however, that the 3d of September should be fixed upon.
Sir ROBERT PEEL advised the Noble Lord to adopt
the words of the Reform Bill. There was a slight varia-
tion—in the Reform Bill the words were " made payable,"
and in the present clause the words were " made
or become due ;" the meaning was exactly the same, and he
thought it much better to have the same words, as a con-
struction had already been put upon the words of the Reform

Bill.
Mr. BR OTH ERT 0 N said this part of the Reform Bill had
been very injurious to the electors, for in many instances the
overseers in making out the rates, assessed parties at
more than the real value, and when the mistake was
made known it was corrected, but if a reduction was made, it
was contended that these were arrears of rent, and were not
allowed at the quarter sessions. In the place which he repre-
sented ( Salford), more than 200 persons had suffered in this

way.
An HoN. MEMBER asked whether, in the event of any rate-
payer having been excused from paying his rates on the ground
of poverty, a party interested came forward and paid the rates,
the person would not have his vote ? If he was not satisfactorily
answered, he meant to propose to add at the end of the clause
a proviso, to the effect that all who had been excused payment
of their rates on account of poverty should not be deprived of
their votes.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL answered apparently satisfacto-
rily, but quite inaudibly.
Clause 6 was then ordered to stand part of the Bill.
On Clause 7 being read,
Sir R. PEEL said he proposed, that in the case of a '
borough rate having been made by the Council appointed
under the Bill, the payment of that rate should be equally
requisite with the payment of the Poor's Rate. He had not
heard any good ground of opposition last night. They were
making a great and momentous experiment, which he
trusted would be successful. Taking the large towns
of Manchester, which now was under the control of a large body
of Commissioners, who were elected by a restricted franchise,
no one was allowed to vote for a Commissioner who was not
rated at 161., nor any publican who was not assessed at 321.
Every one assessed to the poor rate, and having resided
three ,years, and paid up his rate, was to be qualified
to rote. He would repeat that this was a very mo-
mentous experiment with respect to the government of
the town of Manchester, in which town there were
not less than 37,000 assessments to the poor rates. He was
not prepared to say to what extent they would be dimi-
nished by requiring a three years' residence and the pay-
ment of the rates up to the time. He wished to see that
constitution of Government which would most conduce
to peace, tranquillity, and general satisfaction. He knew that
the plan should be made as popular as possible, but if
they proceeded to a certain extent at first, they would find it
very easy to extend it afterwards, and therefore if the effect of
his proposition should be to lessen its popular application in the
first instance it would ultimately encrease the number of
electors, for it was not hostile to the principle of the
Bill.—( Hear, hear.) The qualification of a payment of the
rate by those who made it was sound in principle, nothing could
be more so. The Bill not only enabled the Common Council,but
imposed on them the obligation to make a borough-rate, though
in several Corporations, it might not be necessary to exercise
that power, and in some, none might be imposed for some time,
but be would say that those who proposed the rate, ought to
contribute to it, and ought to have paid up their
rates, for that would be a great check upon improvident ex-
penditure, as it would give them an interest in controlling
the expenditure, and compelling an economical applica-
tion of the Corporation funds.—( Cries of " Hear, hear.)—
Again—there were proposals for compensation to the Town
Clerk and other officers, and foa the granting salaries to
the Mayors and Recorders upon the execution of what
this qualification would impose, a salutary check.—( Hear.)
Indeed, it would be a real check, or at all events a greater
check than the poor rate could be. tln the case of ex-
tra-parochial places, for instance, it was quite clear that
the borough rate would have that effect, if the payment
of it was made the qualification, but he rested his proposition
upon the great principle, that here was a power of
taxation given ; and not only a power but an obligation—
and that to secure the right application of it, those
who make it should be contributors to it. The best test of qua-
lification that could be had would be the contribution to the bo-
rough rate in addition to the poor rate. It had been urged as an
objection, that that would be taking a double qualification. Ile
would, for the purpose of meeting this argument, revert again
to the principles of the Reform Bill ; these three qualifications
were required ; first, the ten pound householder ; next, that
the party should contribute to the Poor rate ; and thirdly, that
he should have paid up his assessed taxes. In the Reform Bill a
double qualification, wisely in his opinion, had been required ; but
the payment of the borough rate was, in his opinion, better
than the assessed taxes. It was said that this would bear
unequally upon different towns, that in Liverpool for instance,
there would be no Borough rate, but that in Manchester, where
there would be a Borough rate, it would be exceedingly heavy
upon the inhabitants. That could not be avoided, for in one
town the poor rates might be 55., whilst in another they
might not be half so much. The reason why in one
case this test ought to be applied and not in another,
was that the power of the Town Council where the bo-
rough rate was imposed, and where the taxing power was
not exercised it was not. In the first instance it would have
the effect of restricting the numbers, and in the others it would
cause those who elected the town oouncil to contribute to the rate.
But lie believed that the discussion upon that point need not
occupy more than the few observations t•synad to rn:::;,;,, amuse
since the di';'';.:;;on of last night he had attentively considered
the Bill, and it seemed to him ( Sir R. Peel) to be drawn
up in precise conformity to the excellent principle for which
he had contended. It would not, therefore, be necessary for
him to move the amendment of which he had given notice.
It appeared to him, that he ought to rest satisfied
with the Bill as it stood, and for this reason, that the Town
Connoil of every Borough in which the funds were deficient,
should, as a matter of necessity, impose a Borough rate, and that
ra!e was to be in the nature of a county rate, as being levied on
i that description of property which contributed towards the Poor