The Sun.
London, England, 1835-06-25 00:00:00

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SUN OFFICE, Seven o'cloc4.

THE PARLIAMENT.

(THIS EVENING.)

HOUSE OF LORDS.
The Earl of DEVON took the oath and his seat.
Lord DENMAN took his seat on the Woolsack at five o'clock.
A Message from the Commons, by Sir M. S. Stewart,
brought up the Gouroch Harbour Bill, and other private bills,
which were severally read a first time.
The Bishop of LICHFIELD and COVENTRY pre-
sented petitions from Matlock and other places against
any other appropriation of Church property than to eccle-
siastical purposes, such as the building of churches, schools,
or parsonages. He trusted the Ministry would reconsider
their opinion upon the subject, for their present avowed ones
would tend to subvert the Protestant religion.
A Peeress (name unknown) was sworn at the table by Lord
Denman.
Lord BROUGHAM presented a petition most respectably
signed to his own knowledge ; signed also without any of the
usual means of canvassing-, by 2000 persons in two days, they
stated they were of all opinions, both in politics and religion, but
they united in considering all taxes upon newspapers as a tax
upon useful knowledge, and the great cause of much of the
crime now so prevalent in the kingdom.
The Earl of HAREWOOD presented a petition against
the Islington Market Bill, from Croydon, Dunstable.
The Duke of BUCCLEUGH presented several petitions
from Dunkeld, Edinburgh, Dunglass, and other places, for a
a further endowment of the Church of Scotland.
Similar petitions were then presented by the Duke of RICH-

MOND.
The Nmsts DUKE then presented a petition from Clare,
praying for the introduction of Poor Laws into Ire-
land, founded upon the forty-third of Queen Elizabeth. He
was most anxious to see such a measure proposed, because
be thought they would tend much to increase the comforts of
the poor, and to the diminution of crime in that country.
The Earl of LIMERICK was very sorry that he was
,obliged to differ from his Noble Friend. He could not see
that it was at all possible to assimilate the laws of England
• Land. Ireland. He wished that the events in the latter
country would allow of such an assimilation ; but no
one who was at all acquainted with Ireland and its inha-
bitants but must allow that it was perfectly impossible.-
- ( Hear, hear, hear.) He could not think that the intro-
duCtion- of Laws into Ireland, which had cripped the ener-
gies of rich England, and bowed them almost to the earth,
could by any possibility benefit Ireland- He would venture to
say that there was less real call for poor laws in that country,
for there were no cases of poverty that were not instantly re-
lieved by the neighbours and gentry ; and there was no country
in which the feelings of parent and child, and child and parent,

were so strong. •
: The Duke of RICHMOND then presented another peti-
tion to the same effect from Tullamore and its vicinit:,. He
would merely say in answer to his Noble Friend, that ha we
aware that the introduction of Poor Laws would take away,
certain degree, the superfluity of the rich—(Cheers)—but that
was the very thing he wanted—(Cheers)—it was the en:i he
proposed. In every country there ought to be a principle esta-
blished that no one should be allowed to starve. It was well
known that on a late occasion, a large sum of money was sub-
scribed from this country for the relief of the Poor of Ireland.
then if the rich in England were pressed .o the earth with
their own poor laws, surely it was too much to ask them for
money to relieve those whom the landlords of Ireland ought
to support. He was glad, however, to hear, that the objection
to poor laws was now given up because of the impossibility
of working out the details of the Bill, and that it was now
merely put on the ground of the charity in the county being
enough for I;ns purpose. That might be case on the
Noble Earl's estates, and those of some more Noble Lords,
but be was sure that there vast tracts of country where there
were no resident proprietors where the people were in the ut-
most misery, and actually without the means of subsistence.
Ho would have moved a resolution on the subject last year,
had the Government not taken up the measure, and issued a
Commission, which he was sorry had not yet reported. He
- treated they would do so soon ; and he hoped they would next
year have the attention of Parliament called to the subject
by the Royal command.
The Earl of LIMERICK rose, and was left speaking.

HOUSE OF COVL'UONS.
The SPEAKER took the Chair at half-past three o'clock.
On the motion of Sir M. S. STEWART, the Gourock
Harbour Bill was read a third time and passed.
The East India Dock Bill was read a third time and passed,
on the motion of Mr. Clay.
Major BERKELEY presented a petition from the owners of
flys and vans. complaining of the duties upon their carriages.
DORCHESTER LABOURERS.
Mr. CLAY presented a petition from the Tower Hamlets,
and Mr. AGLIONBY presented one from a place, the name of which
we could not catch, praying that a pardon might be granted
to the Dorchester labourers, on the ground that the Act un-
der which they were convicted was passed for quite a different
offence to that of which they were guilty.
Mr. BAINES presented a petition to the same effect from
Leeds.
Mr. POWER presented a like petition, but from what place
could not be heard, owing to the low tone in which the Hon.
Member spoke.
TIMBER DUTIES.

Lord SANDON presented a petition from the ship-own
• and burgesses of Liverpool against any alteration in the duties
s
, - in foreign timber.
THE LIVERPOOL CORPORATION.
" - The Nones LORD also presented a petition, signed by 2,500
persons, against certain parts of the Municipal Corporation Re-
form Bill, which are calculated to deprive them of many privi-
leges which they had hitherto enjoyed, and which, as freemen,
they consider themselves entitled to retain. Also one from the
Corporation of Liverpool, stating the manner in which the said
Bill was likely to injure the various local interests and public
bodies of the town of Liverpool. The petitioners did not express
11 any opposition to the general principle of the Bill, but they con-
ceived that their rights ought to be respected.
. ~, Mr. EWART would not contradict the allegations, or op_
,pose the prayer of the petition, but he trusted that the House
would act in a manner consistent with its sense of public duty,
and in accordance with the universal opinion of the country.
NEW MEMBER FOR CARLOW.
Mr. Sheriff RAPn.AEL, who was introduced by Mr. O'Con.
nel and the O'Connor Don, took the oaths and his seat as
• Member for the County of Carlow.
Lord SANDON resumed, and said that in reference to the
last petition from the Corporation of Liverpool, it prayed thet
the House would provide securely for the payment of the
debts due by the Corporation, and that a sinking fund should
be provided out of the Corporation funds, before they were ap_
plied to other public purposes. They also represented
that there had been contracts for the improvement of the
town to a large amount, and as a security for these debts
they prayed that these contracts should be confirmed by the
provisions of the Act. They also prayed that the House
would provide for existing interests and inchoate rights. There
were many circumstances connected with the Ecclesiastical
establishment, which, as they would come before the House
in .another shape, he would not make any observations upon.
There must be sonic provision made not only for the interests
of existino• clergymen, who had accepted their situations up n
o
the faith of the continuance of a certain income, but a permanent
provision must be made to secure the services of future clergy_
men. • There were other points on which it was necessary that
some legislation should take place, either by a separate Bill,
orr`by a clause in the Municipal Corporations Bill. It did
not appear to him which course would be the most convenient.
They also represented the state in which this Dill
would
Com-
place
the vast' dock estates of Liverpool. By certain trus
mittee was constituted of 21 parsons in number, of whom 13
were numbers of the Corporation, elected for 9 years. This
provision would he inconsistent with the. Bill before the House,
and unless some pros ision were made, the Dock estate would be
thrown into a state of great confusion. There were. various
other parts of the Act inconsistent with the Corporation as it
at present existed, but he would not enter into it at present,
but would content himself with moving that the petition do lie
'upon the table, and he called upon Hon. Members and tl.e
Governonent, when it was printed, to give that attention to it
which the interests ofso great a body so imperatively called for.
Mr. EWART said that many of the statements in that pe-
tition were very objectionable ; and if there were no other
ground for opposing its prayer, it might be found in the
discussion which took place in that House last night, when
it had been stated that a merchant of Liverpool had been
charged 1,4001. in one year, merely because he was not a
freeman of the town.—( Hear.) He regretted that the pet:-
. tion should , contain a request to embody the provisions of a
local Act in the general Corporation Reform Bill.
Lord SANDON explained. The petitioners merely pray( d
that a certain provision of that Act would be embodied in the
sill.
Mr. EWART hoped the House would not sanction the
introduction_ of any particular provision for paying the clergy
totally and uncontrollably out of the funds of the Corpora-
tion.--(Cries of Hear, hear.) He hoped the House would
not interfere with the wholesome controul which existed
under the present system of voluntary payment, by the insertion
of any specific enactment. He would not enter further into
the subject at present, as he felt t;':at this was not the proper
time. But so far as he could, he would prevent any attempt
to Ex permanently upon the funds of the Corporation the pay-
. ment of the Clergy, which had been previously voluntary.
Mr. THORNLEY said a good deal of remark had been
made upon the risk of the bondholders. It was true the Cor-
poration owed a debt of 800,0001., but they had an income of
.100,0001. per annum. The Dock Company owed a debt
of 1,400,0001., but they bad an income of 200,0001
There was not, therefore, so much risk to the holders of the
Bonds as had been imagined. He would support the Bill for
effecting a Reform in the Corporation of Liverpool with all
. his heart.
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ik yea; the Corporation should have been Phle to provide very
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