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HOUSE OF PEERS.I
• iriOntsdAY, JUNE 2. -
?He Duke Of Liens was sworn anti took his seat.
A number of Bills., chiefly Private, were brought up from
the Commons, by the SLCRIRTARY at WAR, Mr. AI4XAN-
DIA, and other Gentlemen. Among the Public 13ills, were
the Supplementary Militia and the Land-Tax Redemption
Bills. , • /
The Bills upon the Table were forwarded id their respec-
tive stages, and those brought up from the Commons were,
severally read a first time.
CONDUCT' OF IVIINISTERS. •
•
The Order be the Day for, summoning their
Lordships for the consideration of certain proposi.
Lions, being moved,
.'
Lad FaZWILLIAhI rose for the purpose of
bringing forward those propositions, the drift and
tendency of which he had described to their Lord,
ships on a former evening. Ir) the course of the
various observations matte 14, the Noble Earl, as
introductory to his proposed resolutions, he ad-
'• vetted to the solemnity and intim ranee of the ques.
tions which their Lordship were that night to tie.
liberate upon and to decide. He, in Cottunon with
those who heard him, must-be apprised of the re.
spedahle charader, in most points of view, of those
against whom he was about to state grounds for the
disapprobation of that House, as Ministers. The
task he had Undertaken Was painful—he was guided
by no personal motives whatever, but solely came for-
, ward upon Public .grounds, and under strong im.
pressions of his Parliamentary duty.: The subjett
which he brought forward to the consideration of
their Lordships, was not the aft of tlis Majesty's
Ministers upon any one day, nor their condutt at
any given particular period singly, but the general
tenor and uniform chaeatter of their proceedings
tor a very iieportant interval of time, and
,that not
of very short duration. He should have parti-
cularly to-notice their cooduCt, nut only since the
conclusion of the Treaty of Amiens, but before
that period, from 'the time of the signing of the
Preliminaries. In this view of the question, the
Noble Earl proceeded to argue, that many at the
1 ails of the French Government, in the interval
alluded to, were of the precise charaiter and d,:.
soription of those acts which Ministers afterwards
thought worthy of specific remonstrance and nego-
., tiation, and ar a period when such proceedings could
nut obtain with that effect as if they had beta taken
up in the first instance. Among the instances stated
by his Lordship, of the unju.gifiable anti aggressive
conduit of the F tench at these eeriods, were their pro.
ceedings with respeit to several parts of Italy, where
with the most unprincipled audacity, they diStriem.
bercd antient Nations, and annexed their ;roll:lied
Territories. Why, he askedi did not Ministers
stiew some indication* of wisdom or of spirit by an
interference cni these occasions ? Why was not so
notorioul, so extensive an agrandisemetit of the
French Territory and Power, resisted by His Ma.
jesres Government ? So early even as' the month
of February in that year, was the basis, agreed upon
between the .two Governinents, infringed upon, anti
disregarded by that of France.. Atfvertieo.p to a
more • advanced period, the Noble Earl observed,
that scarcely had the first mopthi of Peace elapsed,
ere the French made additional annexations to their
Territory : in fine, the Countries of Puma, &e.
were taken possession of. In this part of his
Speech, his Lordship referred to _memorandums for
the dates of the periods in which the French had
taken possession ot different parts 'of Italy.,
.until
they became possessed of, die greater-or inure valu.
able part of that peninsula ; in short, if that Coun-
try could not be 'considered as an integral part of
France, it must be, considered in the light 'of a
compleat Province. On these occasions, lie con-
tended, Ministers should have stepped forward,,and
at least done that, which afterwards they found
themselves constrained to do, but at a period when
it was impossible they could aft with such tlyan.
tage or effeit. The Noble Earl then adverted to
the affairs of Switzerland, upon which he coin..
Hunted a' great deal in detail : by the information
laid before Parliament he seemed to say, it appeared,
that the conduit of Ministers with tespeit to the
Cape,,- was guided by their senseof the transailions
which had taken place in Switzerland. ' If nut, it
would be incumbent upon them to state the grounds
upon which so extraordinary a line of conduit pro.
ceeded. His Lordship 'then referred to the Papers
upon the Table for the dates, &c. of particular pro.
Ceetlings which took place in the course of those
- transactions—on the Communications made bMr.
Merry, and other points, apparently with a-VieW
to establish his opinion that IMinisters.were infiu.
enced in their conduß with respect to the Cape, by
their sense-of what.liad taken place with regerd to
Switzeiland. He then alluded to the Mission of
Mr. Moore, which, he.seemed to contend, was a
period wherein the interference of Ministers could
be of no avail, as it was well._ known to what
a situation that unfortunate Country was reduced at
that peridd. The Noble Earl then adverted to the
admitted acts of aggression and injustice which bad
been exercised by the French against the subjefis of
this Country, and•vhich War, in open violation of
express treaty, and contended that to scarcely any
one insiance.had justice been done to the Represen.
tations on our. part. Passing on to the affair on
I whictilo much stress had been laid, namely, that of
Malta;* his Lordship commented on that prominent
1 part of the transactions considerably in detail ; he
' obserVed, that on this occasion it was, that Mini.
' stets first appeared to manifest any degree of spirit
or resolution, which former instances, more loudly
called for, and where a spirited interference could
I have been made with much more grace and effect. He
1 trade frequent references, and read copious extracts
_front tile papers while discnssing this part of his suls.

jefl, and argued, that Ministers must have been long
before, aware of the intentions of the First Cansol
with respect to Egypt; they were daily in the ha.
hits of' seeing his unprincipled aggressions and
boundless ambition 1. before any specific coarmnrii.
cations took place relative to the Island of Malta ;
but that was the only point of all the iinpartant
topics which existed, upon which: Ministers
seemed to call for decisive exilanatinn. They
at length called upon the spirit of the tanntty
for support, in a case in which comparatively,
there existtAl no adequate grounds, syliets they pars.
sed by the innumerable acts of violence and ag-,
gression on the part of France-without one de:
cisive interference or call upon the Country 1)t-
-its support in resisting them. He ceesoted par-
ticularly 'the line of conduct adopted by Ministers
with respett to the termination of those, transac_.
tions, as well as the mode and period in which 'they
came forward to Parliament and the Country. With
tesPeti to them, circumstances, he contended, had
she%so that their boasted Treaty of Peace, was only'
a temporary truce, and that Ministers bad withheld
all due knowledge and information from Parliament
and the Country, at periods when those were tie.
cessary, and when the awed of events might
be attended with she most desirable consequences.'
It was upon these general grounds that he had' to.
call upon their Lordships. in vindication of their
own honout, and in contemplation ,of the best
interests of the Country, to adopt resolutions
expressive of their just sense at the weak, im.
politic, and disgraceful conduct of Ministers -
in the points to which be bad adverted. He
could not avoid pressing to their consideration,
that now the Country being, in consequence of - the
measures of those Ministers, again in a irate of
War, if they wished fur the assistance or co-opera.
tion of other Nations, or wished their Country.to
be respected abroad, the affairs of Governmenemusr
be administered by men. of acknowledged talent,
in whom the Country could safely confide, and who.
in return could fairly call upon the Country for its
exertions and support. Pursuing this topic for some
time, his Lordship alluded to the circumstance of
Mediation, to which point he seemedlo apply much
of hit latter reasoning. He
.then.proceeded to ad.
vert to some points of the former cOnclutt of Mini.
asers, and averred, that there was a time 'when they
called for unanimity, when etch ought not to exist :
their condutt In those points was such as must super-
sede unanimity. If they looked for this most. de.
sirable of all objetist let Government make the
peopleione people, and they may safely bid defiance
to all their adversaries. . The Noble Earl then pro.
ceeded to stare the first resolution which he meant
to move, merely as a kind of preliminary, or lead.
ing plopoaition, which, as we could eolith, was
in effeet—" That by 'the Declaration of His MR-
jeity on the 18th of May, it appeared to that
House, that the condtul of the French Republic
towards this Country, contrary
exhibited one continued scene
to every rid.
ciple of good faith,
of aggression, violence and insult,,&c,"His Lard.'
ship then proceeded to state Aar' tte shoted have
Certain other resolutions to submit for the,ationtion
of their Lordships' ; one of 'which, Ina deemed it
incumbent Upon his candour to state, would eXpress..
I) go to censure-Miniiteti fir their conductin par.
tieutar points. His Lordship then described the
nature of his subseqttent intended 'propositions ;
after 'which he moved the first resolution, to the
above effett, in fordu.

The LURV CIiANCgLI.OP. secordingly read the
resolution, anti on the quc:stionleing put,
- The.Earliof Ft Fll, GROSVPNOR, and Lire r RICK,
rose at the same time, but the last-mentioned Peer
who had risen, though rather informally before, was
most generally called uPon.
The Earl of Iftl4RlCrthen proceeded to ob.
'serve, that upon a question Of such peculiar import.
once as the present, and which involved subjefts of
such interest and magnitude, he should find it diffi-
cult to give a silent vdte ; hut as it bad fallen to his
lot to take a leading pats in the discussion of a sub.
jeet, in some degree connc..t,d with the present,
that relating to. the Pacification, he could not think
of sheltering himself- under the shield of silence,
on the present occasion. On alortner night, when ,
a line of discuision nearly similar had taken place,
it was proposed, to .him mat unaccountably, and
indeed it seemed the general feeling and sense of the
Hqese at the time, that, it should be so, to consider
the necessity, anti consequently the justice of the
War, es a.subjed•distinet from the condo& of. His
Majesty's Ministers, which in some degree neces.
sully had brought the Country into that state.—
Whether it arose from that confusion of intel.
le4 which was supposed to exist among his
Countrymen, he could nor tell, but for his part
he .Could not ~separate those considerations, he •
thought them ,closely linked and interwoven,
and he was incapable, of fully consideting the
necessity or justice of `the' War,, without refer-
ring at the same time, to the conduct of Ministers.
Propositions of such a nature, the More-especially
when brought forward by a Nobleman of rank and.
ell:ruttier, as in the present instance, were worthy
of the Most serious attention of that House :'-as such
he contemplated the question and impending
cussion with no light degree of anxiety, raped,
ing that some ground might he made ta: foci
the serious consitteraritet of the Rouse, but when I
he heard the Speech of the Noble Eatlind
heard a statement of the proposed resolutions,
his anxiety entirely subsided, 'and Fe entertained no
doubt of being able. to Ahew, even from the very
Speech of the Noble Fall hutp.ill, that the condoet
at His Majesty's Ministers. had been inided by
moderation and temper as long as they thought
Peace could be preserved ;. and that wl.en they.
were convinced '44 could its longer preserVe

Peace consieteetly with the honour of their S.
vereign, or the true interest of their Cavalry,
they ailed. with heeeming spirit and decisitin
that they endeavoured to raise the dorrianespirit (IV
Europe, and (malty recurred to that line of conduit
which a long series of insults and aggressions on the
part of the Enemy had rendered necessary:, With ree
speCt to the tenor of the Resolutions proposed by the
Noble Earl, he trusted he should be permitted to say
a few worth : the substance of the first be conceived
to be, that since the Treaty of Peace, a continued
series of insults ar.d aggressions were experienced by'
this Country from France, and that from a number'.
hf those nets, a disposition had become manifest, on
flee part of the French Gavernment, to violere are
Treaty of Pelee. The next Resolution, as he cone
ceived it, went to complain of Ministers fur not:
having from titneeo time communicated those nits
of aggression, the correspondence, arc'. -to Podia.
meat. Un rhls point; he must be allowed to Say, that
if Ministers bad
from
sucha course, it would be
a derelielioti from their duty ; nay, it would be an
infringement of the 'Constitution of 'their Country.
The prerogative of the Crown,- with respect la its
Minieters, was too well known in that- House to
require eicposition—to have recourse, therefore, to
Parliament in the- way alluded to by the Nohle
Earl, would, he contended, he to convert boots
branches of the Legislature into Cahine!.c. He •
should regard Stith a line, of procedere tir,coll.
stitutional—in another point of viewi' it would
go, •in a great degree, to exonerate -Ministers
from their responsibility, it would go to shore
it between Om and both 'noose, of Perlia.
merit, need ultimately In a case of necessity, the--
great
Council of • the Nation could riot punish for
aels which it had repeatedly sundlitmcd. h was giVI
assertion in atiOthet,ilf the Resnletious, that, Mini..
seers made no representations in ConsegnerWe • of
those acts of the French Government—bat let their •
LorpThips loek to the Cortespoodencei and they
would soon be convinced:of the contrary. The erect-.
dieft of .Ministers, with respect to the points under
consideration, might, he thought, he divided into
three periods: the first, that which int:nediately
succeeded the Definitive Treaty of Peace ; in that
they endeavoured most scrupulously to fulfil all its
,conditions, and as far as in them lay, to secure to
their Country and to Europe, the blessings Of Peace.'
The second period wow, that at which they leuda.:
bly and, spilitedly endeavoured to fescue. Switzer.
land from its impendidg fate, and on this important
point, he would ask, what could, or what shotild
Ministers do, but precisely what they did 1 The
Envoy Of the unfortunate Swiss, it was true, knocked
at 'the door of every Minister of the European
Powers at Paris ; but among the degraded Nations
of Europe, there were sotne, whose Ministers daied
not allow him to pass their threshold lest they should
draw down upon them the anger of the First Con.
sal of France; on this occasion Ministers did every
thing that siett wise, politic,. or fitting for them to
de; they dispatched-a rerson to that quarter to
learn firat; whether the Swiss were disposed to re.
sist; secondly, theiexterit of their Power ; and lastly,
the dispositions cif those Continental Poweri more
intimately'CooneCled with that Conntry.—Ho.undete
stood there were two parties, who disapproved of
the Cortduft of Minsters, the one,- who thought
they had unadvisedly and unnecessarily 'forced the.
Country into the War ; the other who thought
that War ought to have been made long since : for
his part he disagreed with both : he thought His
Majesty's Ministers had chosen rite moment to aft
with spirit and decision 'when it was impossible
to 'refrain from War. Previous to this, their con.
duet was such, particularly with resped to a pro.
curation of Guarantees, as tended to give every fa.
cility to the execution of the Treaty ; they endured,
for a considerable-time, the aggressive conduit of
the French Government, and which-perhaps, more
than in aelly other instance, in its insolent attempti •
against that great pall:Mien of the Liberties of the
Country, namely, the Freedom of the Press, and the
cruel demand of the First Consul, so- he must call-
it, respecting the Bourbon Family,' and the train of
virtuous Nobles anti Ecclesiastics who preferred
sharing their fortune and their fate ; the latter of
whom had resisted the proffers held out to them;
'Sooner. titan violate their religious principles, their
consciences, and their oaths. .Let their Lartishipi
look nt.the conauft of the First Consul at the mo.
ment these insolent regnisitions were made-.-at that
very moment, self.conviCted and .avowed traitors
were openly proteaed arid cherished" by the French'
Government--.[a'
.ctr Hee/ ! bear i")—Mert
who had plunged their daggers into the bosoms of
their unoffendirig Countrymen ; but, perhaps, he
had used too 'strung language; In thecourse of moe.
dem refinement,' to which he was not, perhaps, mice
quately harmonized, it may not .be allowable to
describe strong things in strong language :* the epi.
thets of sweet Innocents might, according to some,
be more applicable to them ; but it was that species
of innocence that should be resigned to the guar.
ilianship of Kirk, and. 'the Committee of Safety of
Robespierre! Recurring to the general subject in'
discussion, 'the 'Noble Earl adverted to carious
'points •of the conduit of Ministers which was
censured by the last Noble Speeker. it would
appear, 'he observed, that .there' were other causes
fur Ministers ordering the ettaetl3lioll.ol, the Cape
•to be suspended, titan the atfaies of StVitzerland.
About the-period the counter orders were eent our,
there was an aPparent intention on the part of the
French Government, to • pour a great number. of
troops into Holland, under the pretence of securing
its independence, but in faet, he believed the de_
sign was to abrogete.the little remnant of itainde.
pendence which then existed, Were she cession
made under suchcircumstaneese the cession, the' no-
minally to Holland, would in effed be made to Fre nee

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tad Ministers then Bonded, they were certainly unfit
for their situations ; in the beginning of the year,-
France shewed their designs in all their deformity;
about that period it appeared Mieleters had received,'
intelligence of a new.d&gn fornitd by the accom—
modating father of the Western afamily, who had
made overtures to Russia, Sec. tespeeling a proposed
partition of .the Turkish,Empire: In this praleite
• 11)66110d detiomination of limordissemeftt was men.
tiored : at any _ rate he 'supposed the First consul
iniended to secti&T.gYpt: for hitieleK 'the" Mae'
was to be erened into an independent Republic,,
• 'at leet as independent aa, the Cesalpine Republic ;
' • this proposition was not acceded Joe. -however, ML
• nisters very property remonstrated and
.required
expianationi—about this time they came to the
knowledge of Sibaitiani's mission, and to crown •
• 'the flagrant insolence cif that transnelipn, an .official
report Of it, was published. On this circumstance
bf7nggravation,his Lordehip dwelt with much force
and effen.—He then adverted to another point of
the insolence and aggression manifested bythe French
Government ; he alluded to the publication which
thi French Agent, Rheinhardecaused to take place at
Hambro', which here Probated as a fool and aggravat.
ett libel on His Majesty's Government. There could,
bell° well-founded palliation for this outrageous pro.
ceeding, ter -Rheirshard was not a Tyro in politics.
He was long employed in peociedings of the kind,
sfirstlinder the Sceptre of the Diredory, and afier,
'•• •wards under the Military .Despeitism of the First-.
• • Consul,; and he knew that Ireland, was not exempt
the °Teets of the manoeuvres of this personeeee
• Soon sifter this period, the welt_known insult at
the Thuillcries took place : this, however, in his
Lordship's opinion, did not arise from sudden heat,
• • but was deliberately designed, under the. vain idea of
-sicking this Government in the eyes of Europe,
• should it have been tame enough to bear it; how.
ever that fortunately was not the case'; the intep.
• lions 'of the, Firit Conaui, with respen tp Egypt,
e were soon after avowed. Let their Lordships recol. .
lea the unequivocal language of M. Talleyrand
with resped to Malta; the refusal to evacuate
• Malta Woteld• be considered as a renewal of War.
. '--a-The- insulting 'language was then held, that
England should not retain any thing in the Me.
diterreneane—not a sail of theirs should swim
upon that ;Sea; nor should she have a Port there.
e- in to receive them. Did 'Ministers crouch to
• those accumulated aggressions' and insults, they
would •deserk a worse punishment than the loss of
their places. 'With resped to the references to
Roesialui the part of the enemy, it must be obyi.
oos to the meanest capacity, that their °hien was,
•to gain time, in order to • recall into their ports
. elbeitescattered commerce and their ships. of war• :
then would the enemy, with every advantage
owtheit'sidei have abruptly broken, with us, and to
e • s.certain.degree we must have suffered for their
• • treacherous duplicity. His loss to account for the
inveterate hatred which the French Government
bore' to this Country, was in game *degree donte away
by a passage in one of the best Roman Hiatoriani,
• who related, that when it was proposed to one of
the' Roman Pro-consuls.to undertake the invasion of
Ireland, the ultimate end proposed 'was, the re.
shoving friam the Sight of the persecuted Britons, a
• NatiOn the' 'enjoyment of les liberty and lode.
ependente : as such, so he felt it must be the wish
of the French Government to remove from the eyes
of the persecuted and enslaved French—the sight of
a Nation
:where all are free, ruled by equal Laws ;
where the property of the meanest peasant is equally
protested with that of the highest Peer, and where the
tongues and hands of men are 'equally free.—He had
heard of extravagant effints to be madein the present
cpn test; he trnsted'however, that none such would be
made ; the effects of such in Franc were well known,
bat the moat spirited exertions 'on the part of the
• Country should be called for, these would lead to
the vindication of the insulted honour and to the
full aceutity of this CountrY, 'to the rescue of
:l,ernpe from ,her present state of thraldom and de.
gradation, and 'restore the blessings of Peace on the
, most secure basis.—He trusted the resolutions of the
Noble Earl would he negatived, and expressed his
hope thet•some Noble Lord more competent to the
teek;than he was would bring' orward some resole.
- lion, expressive of their Lordships approbation of
the medal of Ministers.
- • e Earl GROSVENOR said, he should trouble their
li' rdships but shortly in delivering his sentiments up.
onilhe Mot ion•of the Noble Lord with regardjto some
elthe Resolutions, particularly the first; lie thought
it would be better to move the previous' question,
but as to the otherSe he trusted that he concurred
with a majotity of the House in thinking that they
• aught to be negatived. The Noble Lord had pre.
(erred a series of•. charges against His Majesty's
lylinisteis, and if his Motion was agreed 'to, an
impeachment against Ministers ought to follow,
for if the Resolutions were agreed to, the Noble
'Lords who supported them would not do their duty
if they did not follow it up with an impeachment
against those whom they had represented as guilty
of such a derelietion of their, duty. When the
• house, however, was called upon to decide upon
the condutt of His Majesty's Ministers, it was but
fair to take the• whole of their conduct into consi.
&ration. lie wished the House to recall to its re.
tolledion, the time and the circumstances wider
which the present Administration were called into
office. It was at a period of great danger and diffi-
culty. 'rile Hpuse, he hoped, would also recoiled
that it had distindly approved of the ceeeentiee
made by His Majesty's Ministers with the Noithero
Powers—it had, approved of the Preliminary and of
•the Definitive Treaties of Peace. It wale there.
fore - but fair, when they were called upon to
vote a censure against His Majesty's Mini'.
stets, to bear in mind how much of the conded
'of that 'Administration had already received the de-
cided approbation of the House. He certainly agreed
with the Noble Earl, that if His Majesty's Mini_
titers had lost. the confidence of Parliament, or of the
Peeple, that they ought not to retain their situa.
-lion ; but he saw no reason for entertaining an opi.„
pion that they had lost the confidence of the People
of this Country, or of Foreign Powets. The No.
hie Earl telltale:id moved the Resolutions, had err.
tainly•enterteined opinions ahoue the Peace which
were difftreot from those enter reined by a very large
• majoritk of that House, and of the Country'. That
Noble Lord was of opinion, that no Peace ought to

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ie made With France ; a ..trliament and tijk
try thought thet the experiment of Pace oughtJtSAlk,
'tied. TheNobleLoril hatkomplainett that Mit4itir:e'
'had not resisted the firirtinsults antlT-aggiessl.4:
the Vart-ofFrartee ; it Wasfflimdoubeediy true, tis#titl
Ministers had been disposed to go to war, that :the.
contlud of France had afforded them Many justice:,
CatiQllS, in -the annexation of. Piedmont, Parma,
Placentia, Elba, &c. to the French Republic. But
if Ministers had aded 'Upon these provocations—:-=if
`they had. immediately 'plunged the Country into a
War, ',would they have given the experiment which
had been made of a Peace, a fair trial .? That alone
would have been a strong ground to:influence their
condud, but there Were much higher considerations
which influenced their condud. Another charge
against
,Ministers was, they had not made earlier
communications ache hostile dispositions of France;
but if they were really
.anxioui to. preserve PeaCe,
a prematore communication to Parliament was per-
haps the only means to rendes' it imprissible. The
objet and. the earnest wish of this Country, and he
believed of all Europe, was to maintain Peace ; it
was Bonaparte, and Bonaparte alone that wished
for War. He certainly did not believe that the
People of France were desirous of War, but they
were forced into it.by the ambition of their Ruler;
,he hoped, however, they would throw off a yoke
which was now so galling. In saying this, he did
not, wish any thing personally hostile to the First
Consul, lie only wished him removed from his situ-
ation, beeline he believed that would afford the
only cbanet of Peace. His Lordship concluded
with moving the previous question upon pat t of the
Noble Earl's Motion, and declaring that he would
give his decided.negative to the retnainder.
Lord DARNQSY alluded, to a misrepresentation
of what had fallen from him upon a former occasion,
respelling the Address, to which he had given his
support. In the question of the War, he consider.
ed 'the King, the Parliament; and the People of
England, as the Plaintiffs, and the Government of
France as the, Defeodants,' and he believed a case on
the part of the Plaintiffs was never more clearly
proved, or more strongly made out. But it by no
Means followed, that the stronger the: case was
against. the Government of France, the stronger the
case must be in fayour of Ministers. It appeared to
him, that Ministers.liad made out, a case much too
.strong,' because they had proved ads of aggression
and intuit on the part of France,at the time that Par.
lismant had every reason to believe that there was not
only no, chance of War, but that the two Countries
were in a state of profound Peace. This appeared to
him, in some degree, deceiving Parliament. The
great error;on the part of Ministers was not taking
up the matter sooner, and in not Malting their stand
earlier, and immediately after signing the Treaty
of Peace. If we had held strong language at the
first when the First Coniul began to adopt this line
of conduit, if it had not prevented a War.altoge.
slier, it would. have ,enabled us, in his Opinion, to
have undertaken it under better circumstances, and
with more advantage. His Lordship then adverted
to different parts of the, Papers which were laid be-
fore the House, and observed tvitli regard to Swit-
zerland, that it would have been better to have
done nothing at all ,than to have made a remon.
strance -without following it up. , With regard to
Malta, he thought we ought 'to haVi.considered it
as of more importance in the first instance, or not
to have made it so important at last. He was sorry
the Noble Lord who had spoken last had made any
allusion to the removal of the First Consul of Fiance
from his situation, for he believed there was not a
man in England who cared whether he was removed
or not,

Lord BORINGDON said, it certainly was true,
that occasions had occurred in which Ministers
would have been justified in calling upon Parliament
to take the measures they were now recommending,
but he was at the same time of opinion that in at.
ing in the manner they had done, that they had
displayed great moderation and wisdom, and so
far from the Country being enfeebled lay not adopt.
ink hostile measures sooner, he thought we had
done the reverse—we had, it was true, given up
much, but we had now got the heart and soul of
the Country with us, which was worth fifty West
India islands. It was undoubtedly true,that.Yrance
had been guilty of many acts of aggression and in.
suit, not only against us, but against all Europe.;
but previons to the grand question about Malta, he
did not think there was any point upon whiCh the
Country would have 'gone .heart and hand into a
War. His Lordship concluded with observing that
he felt, in common with the House, great regret
that many persons
.of great talents were excluded
from his Majesty's Councils, and he should be
happy to concur in any measure calculated to intro.
duce them again into Administration.
Lord Fi re' said a few words, which We could not
distinCtly hear.

The NIKE of CtIMBEI'LAND Vila a few words,
expressive of his approbation, of the present Adrni.

niitration.

Lord 1-I:,itt NC; DO N explained..
Lord SUFFOLK adverted to some, parts of the
conduct pf the late Administration; which he cert_
mired, particularly "their not confirming. the Treaty
Of El Arish, by which means the War was protract.
ed for two years, and the Nation put to the expence
of Ise. millions. There was one part of the conthi
of the present Ministers for which lie thought they
Were entitled io praise. and that was their civility;
he then alluded to the treatment which Dr'. Franklin

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experienced' in this Country many years ago, anti
'which, he said, was one of the causes of the Ameri.

can War.

La*/ IVESTOORLAND
in rose to trouble their
Lordships very shortly, answer to some of the
charges which had been urged against iiis Majesty's
IVllotiters. The War in which we were now en-
gaged was a war of aggresSion on the part of France,
and in no degree brought an by the condo& of this
Country We had been- called upon by France to
do due which we were not bound to Alo by the,
Treaty, And we were threatened with hostilities in
case of refusal what then was, the duty of
sters ? Was it to wait till the storm was ready to
'not over us, till the preparathuts of France were.
Completed, antrtill they had withdrawn their Fleets.
from danger ? Or were they to, take. the advantage.
which- cirannitanCes-presented to ti) re_
vent the titorm which wai gathering, from britaking

colitt Alas Country l TTe contended, that this Conn.
*6404 neither bout/thy'. the letter or the spitit of
r.q) . yto evicpta Malta,. an;, being in dirt
is teioa,. Mimste
of that
to consi-
etler the.impdrtanee of thii Island btforethey -gave
up: 'He by no means meant to assert, that if
Weiiad been bound by the Treaty to evacuate
Malta,- that we ought to have entered into a con.
.aideration of its importaoce, but the case was
very different when we were neither bound by the
triter.•.or the spirit- of' the—cheertry 'Th give -it-up.
Nobody !You'd, he believed, deny the importance
of Malta, it differed in one respell from alleahe
other possessions we ever had in the Mediterranean.
Our former posseisions were so weak, that at the
commencement of a War they Gould not be dcforde
ed, until we Could send out a Fleet furaheir• pro.
tedion ; .but Malta wits sufficiently Strong 'to defend
itself against .any attacks that could. be made upon
The question which we had to consider was
simply thus—War with or War withotit Malta I.
Because it was obvious,. that •if we had given up
Malta, that Egypt would have been attacked, so
that if we had evacuated that Island, the War would
only have been delayed a few weeks. \Via!, the.
certainty then of being firreed into a \Var, the only
point to be decided was, whether' we•ought to
enter, into it with the advantage of posses-
sing this strong position, which furnished the
means of attacking our Enemies, or of proteEl.
ing our, Allies ; or whether we should give up
our Honour, and Surrtuder this valuable position.
This was not the only';tiretifice we were called upon
to make ; we were desired to violate the laws of
Hospitality but the Crown of England. was not
redused so low as to purchase a precarious tranquil.
lityofit Bud) a price. We were therefore engaged in-
this War as well from necessity as from policy,—
..There was. one point which he wished to make a
few observations upon, and that was the common.
place echo which was often repeated from the other
side of the House, about the inability and incapacity
of Ministers. This kind of language had been
very. .frequently held by•a Noble Lord, who from
his own great abilities was the more able to detect
the want of talents in others, and who generally
concluded with praising himself and his friends.
This cdmrnon.place charge could only be answered
by calling upon those who made it, to look at the
whole of the conduit of Ministers since they came
into office, and. by that they wished to be tried—a
the conduit of His Majesty's Ministers, when trey
first came into office, did not tend to weaken the
exertions of our Naval and Military Force, and in•
proof of this assertion, he need only refer to what
had passed at Copenhagen, in the Straits of Gibial—
.
tar, and in Egypt. It they were to be judged by
the Convention with the Northern Powers, he could:
only say, that upon that subjeit they had received
the decided approbation of Parliament. With re—
spell to the Preliminary Treaty of Peace, upon that
point also they had received the approbation of Par-
liament, and they had also upon that occasion the-
support of a- Right Hon. Gentleman under whose
support they were proud to shelter themselves.—
It hut been said, that when Peace was made, as-
surances were held our, that all ground of discord
was done away, thatevery thing was to be amity
and friendship ; in short, thy; the golden age was
to be restored. He Was sure that no such language
had been held out by His Majesty's Ministers, and
if Noble Lords would look to the Address which
was voted upon that occasion, they would find that
it contained very different language indeed. That
the British Government was sincere, however, in
its wish for Peace, was proved by their conddel_
after the signature of the befinitive Treaty ; they
disbanded 70,000 Militia, ao-iOOO Fencibles, and as
great a number of other Troops, Foreign and Eng_
list), who were engaged for a limited time ; and every
Seaman that came home was immediately dischargerL
But it had hien asked, why, if France had shewn
a hostile disposition, they had evacuated the
Cape and other places r in answer to this, he
said, that Government-would not have been justi-
fied in refusing to evacuate the Cape, &c. which
they were bound to evacuate by the Treaty, be.
cause a dispute had arisen ; besides, it would not
have. been very•prtuientAhen to have gone to War,
with a reduced Army and Navy. With regard to
Switzerland, Ministers had interfered, and the dig_
positions of the- Powers of Europe were sounded
but it was found- that the unfortunate Swiss were
unable to make any resistance, and all prospeit of
making any alteration in the affairs of the Conti..
nent at that time was given up; but the interference
of Ministers had this effell, that it prevented tile
union of Switzerland with France, as the Italian
Republic had been united to it. With regard to
the Cape, though he thoughtit a very important
place, yet he. did not think it would have been
worth while risking a War for it at that time, more
especially as ht entertained no apprehensions of any'
-attack that could be made upon. our Indian 'pos.:
sessions by any Armament that •could be sent
out from 'Europe, as we had in India a Ml-
tire force
,of 100,000 well disciplined men,.
hegira 20,000 Europeans. It had been as.
serterthat the fa as did not warrant the asser
Lion in Ate King's Message of the 84! of March
respeeting the armaments in the French anti Dutch
Ports. ,There was, however, at this time a naval
force in the Texel, and 8000 men who were to be
conveyed to Louisiana ; that armament that could
convey such a force to such a distance, could- COE:-
vey nearly three dines the ounker across the Chan.
net : there were other preparatiorts in HaVre, in
Dunkirk, in Brest, and in. the IVlediterranein, ca.
pable in the whole of conveying a force of co,csoo
.men, so that there was ample :justification for that
part of the Message:. His Lordship then adverted
to the advantage which had resulted to-this Country
in 'consequence of the Treaty of Peace, and evil.
eludes with declaring that in. his opinion no ground
had been laid before the House to justify cite adop.
tion of the Resolutions proposed by the Noble Earl.
Lord 111ULG AVE said, he was extremely sorry
to hear his Noble. Friend, (Lord Wm-molt Las a)
state, that His Majesty's Ministers would he cll.:

ded to their discharge on Peace being obtained.
The Earl of WF.sT.MuttI,AND, in explanation,
said lie bad not. made use of any such phrase.
Ltaitt MU I,G Alf E resumed: be %vas very glad,
he slid, to find that no such expression bLd been u-ed

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present question, it was to u_
the full exercise of their Lordships' privileges via
not always the true one. When it was a Ties
tion as to what measures should be taken for iii
Security of the Country, he thought there Iva
not time, and he trusted there was not ineliristioi
to go into the consideration of retrospedive alie-
The time of their Lordships would; ibefatOti b
better employed in -considering-v/Imi inertilfitt otlgb
to be taken for the Defence and. SecEiti,.of dt
Country, tlian-iii-fOlidiSeliiiions it il-Piesent,--
Those who had had experierre of the long War it
which we had been engaged,: and thi::'stidrt Pao
which had ensued, must be .'convitteed, dot 001
were three grea.t. °Netts of artibititin 'Which saustei
the French Governmrot : The first 'was, to destl9.
the Power and Resouries of. thietountry iillo4tal
the next, to exclude. our Manufaetures and utltoll
coerce from every Port -in Etirop:e.i -anti thetl'ie4
resulting from the attainment of the; other tWOr',o4
desttuCtion of the Independence and Prosperittel
this great and Immortal Nation. ' These.;per 10
had constantly been. the (+jab of _the, French;GO.
vernment, whether in War or in Peace, ltd 'tbo
These. were still the objeCts of that:Govetimient la
must still be convinced,. from- the Warning-o'b
had fortunately been given to us. He w.truhltrif
at length into the considetation of the vitriOtascl!,
of Hostility committed by France ; liewt)10,111
loch.
at the present moment, go into the cdnsideratioa„
OF Rcport. of Sebastiani, nor would
.he. rata, 004'
ILoiaships' recolledion, the means adopted lats. .ett,,
in pursuance of the second obled which tf,tot, . ~.
Government 'had in view, namely, that of eX., t',
on: Cointnerce and Manufadureientirely fr.o,7'.
ports ; with respect to which it was well litol,!!
that if the smallest quantity of British inanuTon,
was, found on board any French vessel, fIOPTe.,
. was liable to 'be confiscated. The intent,;
• France to invade this cottony, had be,eirnw..7.'
explained.. The instrultions given to the.s.:Pels
called Commercial Commissioners, seortFo of
Country, was of itself, a sufficient explattitill;
that purpose.. They had been told from i.0401,11u:
thority, that- the War might probably. bc..l 1-...°T:
one ;he was glad of it. They had been:Ottnl.
there was a vulnerable point with rerineet„toltli-•
by means of which a brief termination.:lii.ighq;
given to the War ; but. till, they weal i491.514,,'
what that vulnerable point. was, they West'.
vert to the continuance of ii War, ea
under unprecedented circumstances and prot7;
tnyond example. If he could. succeed ~ir i!.,
pressing their Lordships with these considettairo°'
lie would ask, whether, when it seas neteithe,
consider what measures ought to be atioptef,a.lr:4
purpose of carrying on the War with- vigilttf 11..
effed, the time of His Majesty's.Mioiterfitof,
to be employed in attending to the consivt'll•foi;
the subjects which were now brought fottS4_,, of.
the consideration .01. the House, or the actel4,,llbsti
Parliament in deciding upon theint He trtiocro. ty,
their Lordships would interfere between rite that
. and midi discussions as the present. Het,
._. orif
His Majesty.'s Ministers iviiulstshOillY bring" it, 10
1
the consideration of the Reveritte.Wiftelalf Im.,- at.,
appropriated to the purposes of :the OA Alwills.
the present contest, and wit' h Might- ra F
lc ,
~- .kit coo.
.
as much efred as possible wittia.s'ac*tt) l''''' 6
great
1111116wChioclutill:Ittv:Y°t":fl!
and with as little w'eight'S*tlig"4ll*.4lll°"l•lbt'
tend to employ all the eneigie,Ctu.;;;;,, those tne3:
its defence, against its Enemy!. . ""--•.' o found
sores were brought forward, and if the -,/ v, Noble
deledive, then it would be dw.ticitY o:'_ ef!„..r'ula be
e.
snore
e 0.., ,ip,tiliecet:l,::,
:proposeiicicv,he,:v,:e
n,
went
those
ittioisted,
vui‘ivr,c'nei which Car
aside
Ittiohd:g6h
et
heiriet-aihg.nt e
ail
high spirts
i r.
iii's 1
e` :t
ai
.4,
0.;,,01,a,:i1it, die
~
pi_
it
:,:i
nfo:ogno:
sweica. But he tliciuglic every discuss,l°l nof to
gics 4 .the nation from the
aggressions of the Enemy.-- POliament losarcb s
' now to the Country the sPeelacie 9 wolf
tbl)i,settills:!topni,i.e;.a-rtahnecye should
division,
neon rage
mein when Europe pocked to this Couniti a-vipit
the. ae.
gyp,
last refuge for the defence of Pi'tstt.ilcibilea;.tlYiesilicac:ls9l(
the ambition and aggrandizement of 'Fla% 010
behoved -the honour of the J-louse, and it,!..nop
porrant to the safety and seenrity of this 91"hoolil
that they ought not to he discussing 09.1,..5t the
take measures for the defence of the Countri those
period when they should be discitssing.whethF%s lie
mealtires ought to be taken. For these reisfogion,
did not think that either the original ',.A' tos.
cto.iuri
essleFibtilift,e;Ru
7pia:dieno:d,fi previous
iswe
CARLISLEQ.
'adjourn.
should
ui
jieoositttilidont; , t
h,
coruegfah ie toctl.o.l,Pc.. . tl is Cy
to the Motion of the Nobles-aLiod;dl!wchocjuiltdodil!t. "litgjesjrer! ,
down, which if it was adopted,. would, be cnsvijoi,
ed, be a great hardship upon His MalestY'r ,tiolt
srers ; it would be rescuing them front tillverf
by a sot t of Parliatnentary nofiltrareflai-
er lbe
per,:on most wish that they should ato'/,theiti,
charges which had been brought akain°. wife
They were told this Was not the time.ttl
'ls
1°
- into flie.coralutt of Os Majesty's Mioisire,ri;that
that
was nett
nb,,etetrittetctiiliini
et,liiiiiri:opgea.cac iicriod of I‘,...&iitile;
he should like to know when as.riats%tvlaies tniaintet";9e illtiaiekite
that inquiry. Oii the' contrary, it w'`,rove
duty to ioquire, and if they..tlid not •01'.Iteri,
of the conclutt• of His. Msjestra N.li,,,cior
it was their dury'rn address 1-fis MoJest"; P.r—io fits '
that he would be gracious!), pleased tootling . 04
.COuricils, more of the talents cif the couParrents
cliaiged Ministers with not posiessing those ;t. tha.
which were necessary for the carrying into cri!oniest
measures required for' the, proseoution of the.,:to. die ,
.in which we were.eppgM. With resre6t, i ri.
-absence of all communication to ParlianteO 0
~,,,a
speding the tliiptate between t hiS Couotry,
w'irt!
France, there tic .`'et was a pet iod pregoan,q4ecli
so flinch danger,, in which I pis 11,1.1leSt.r:b ht! re
at clic commencement of a Sessiot. lika'si or 0..
sent had afforded so, little informationi,..r.f,d
few grounds to augur iion. Muchlyti herr -.u..,11,4
on former, occasions' by! Several Noble Lords..o.lol,
subjels cf Piedmont and. Switzerfriod, 'T`l.,sici,4o4o.::
other took,s hich 'had never ben,satisfaCt°'„lokeJ
plained Ihylqinisters, and now when I[4 ''',4l„fe
iiii,f,iiciis
11‘11:,cjetslit
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was given to Parliament noon thesetubjeets ; on the
' contrary,: .His Majesty'aiMintsters.hadcontinually
, • held our hopes of a perniaoent Peace, and had talked
of profound Peace, when they must know that the
: . Country was every moment on the verge of War.
Could they say, that at those periods when they pro.
..mised profound Peace that they believed in its cone.
nuance Could they sit* so, when they had sent Mr..
Wore to Switzerland to make War, if he could have
done with any prospect of success, and particularly
when that MistiOn vas coupled with an order sent out
for the win-evacuation of the Cape of Good Hope,
„Which would have been a palpable vitilation- of the
. Treaty of Amiens ;Gr did they think that Bonaparte
- WCitild not have resisted our persisting; in retaining the
`Cape under such circumstances ? With respea to
the general condua of -Ministers since the Peace,
'the Answer of Lord Hawkesbury to M. Otto, dated
. the i Bth of Augtisr, might be called moderate, but
the tone of it appeared to him to be low and humble,
in answer to a haughty NOte. Ministers had
Waged the prosecution of Peltier, and with respea to-
the French, Princes, slow and bumble tone had been
assumed,' which was extremely unbecoming, whilst
a sentiment • was attributed to I'lis Majesty, which
he was sure never entered into the mind of His
Majesty, that His Majesty had no wish that those
Prince& should remain in this Country. - When the
Persons who were stiled Commercial CommisSioners
were sent to this. Country, and their objeil was dis-
covered,' instead of aning as they did, His Ma-
jesty's Ministers ought to have Sent a remonstrance
upornthat subjea that would have made the,Thuille.
rtes shake. It was certainly true that His Majesty's
Ministers had no desire to go to war, as it was evi.
dent from the documents before the House that
they had no such desire. ;He did not deny the good
intentions of His Majesty's Ministers, but they had
riot firmness adequate to encounter the perilous tri.
sis. to which we were now" brought. Ile concluded
'by deprecating the adjournment, and supporting the
original Motions.
The. Earl of CARNARVON said, that . the,
spirit and courage of the ,People was roused, but
that spirit and courage must necessarily rest in a
confidence in their Leaders; and must be sunk in a
distrust of those Leaders. He would ask the Noble
Lord (MuuoaAvE) who moved the Adjournment;
whether the confidence of the People rested with
the present Government ? The Noble Lord had
said, that the attention oldie People ought not to
be drawn, at the present crisis, to the GoVern-
ment ; but that attention was already drawn to the
Government, and if the •Motions were withdrawn,
argot rid of by an Adjournment, would it not leave
the People in despondency ? • They had been told
at a former period, that the Peace was, likely to be
lasting, and they were taught to. believe that our
. weakness, and the strength of the Enemy, was the
best security for that. Peace, which, since. its' fai-
lure, Lad been called- an Experimental Peace. A
Noble Lord (the Earl of Was-raioiti..A.N4'hial Said,
that ie was a Peace made to gain time ; if so, it was
' a Peao of Fraud, it was what we had -reproached .
k'ranct with, and complained' of as an .hostile ad.
No imformation had been given by Ministers to
Parliament On the state of the affairs, until they
considered- War as ineVitable. They were to,
consider whether it was 'not -in vain t 6 draw
upon the laSt 'dregs of domestic, comfort, for.- the
supper' rt'nf the present Contest, If the People-had
rrot confidence in the Persons with wets to draw
those means:
Lord ELLENBOROUG II said, he was entirely
.
initnacal to the adjourriiient, as .he thought, a deci-
sion Ought 16 be come to, it not upon the original
Motian„ at least upon the previous question
was indignant at the idea of 'giving
,Ministcrs
day-rule fur pearnission,.to hold their places. He
woulftOot z.o over all the topics which had been so rt.
pratedly urged, but he hoped that a speedy end would
be put to their di)cussions. He could not bear 'to
bear the capacity of
,Ministers arraigned by the In-
c4nible, on their want' of knowledge impeached by
thoite who knew nothing. A Noble Earl had talked
of the original sin in the foundati.!rr of the present'
but the • Noble Earl forgot' that
' otig moat sin began before we were born, and that we
Wen: not answerable for it. - At the time that the
PTCS tilt Administration came into power,- dark.,
clouds were thickening every hoUr around us, and
he believed rio man who did riot possess firmness,
would have accepted of offices at that period, when
added to our , foreign- Enemies, there were
still existing the snioaking embers of an unex..
tinguished Rebellion. airing that -Administta.
tion, our glorious success _in Egypt. tocik-place,
the honotir of the Country : was supported. in.,
every quarter of the World, nor' was any sacs.
Ices made like the period of thePeaCe. The Nation
ochausted by a- long_ War 'called 'for Peace—the
Peace was made, and was approved of Par. ,
liament and the People. The -Peacq.Was an experi..,
menu, that it was fit and propel- to make ;:.and he
was one who. thought, the eneritnent would have
been-. more linccesstul. lie denied,' that the Peace
Was a fraud—it was a scandal on the Nation
'7•ti dill it a fraud : what, if lie saw 'that his
Enem , y at' a future period, be enabled to
place in a more dangeroua Situatinti, and that he ,
- therefore rested in order to provide resource. 'against
'that period, was he therefore to be called -a fraudu.
`hilt combatant ?, With repel to- the Condufi of
iVlinisters previous to the present War, which had
-been already approved of, he contended that the
Report of Sebastiani, and several other .hostile alts'
were not adequate causes for War, until the Coon-
try saw that cOnsidetable efforts had been made to
Preserve Peace, and that those efforts 'had ,failed..
Ile did not mean to say that they. were not adequate,
causes. in thernielves, but they. were not jutifiable'
causes-under the circumstances of the case. With,
re)Pett to the detention of our ships, every Country.
had a right to make Municipal Regulations respect.`
j9g ita trade and navigation, in the same manner
-as we had to enaa' the Xavigation Mt, whil. t lie
admitted at the same time that the rekulations made.
in France respeaing our NI-easels were made ill an •
inimical spirit with resped to Malta, which was of
*mitcl7l4l. importance 10 this caurory with a.
"Orly to our Indian rilossessions,, it had, bcCOlll
possible that the Treaty of Amiens could be ex.
riaited relative to that was theridute
tlet;etsal y for 'us to retain it- until some uUit.r

.aid,`""ifsVd retained it, heshould consider it as
a Peelatation of Wat, 'he' was -the pefson there:
fore, who comirutted ihe'first,,aCt of hostility which.
rendercd,tha,„War necessary. Lord Hawkesbury's
letter to IV!. Quo had been referred to, and it had
been said, that the tone of it was low and humble,
but.he wished that the Noble. Lord who made the
assertion, would try his hand at 'mending any para-
graph of it. It had been asked, why did not Mi.
sisters "corm to Parliament, the situation (,),
affairs betaveeo the two Countries ; but he asked
any Nobt4' trird °to Tay "his hand upon ,any Paper,
and tol-ay, that that ought to'have been communi-
cated ,by tlis Maje Sty's ;Minikters, to ,Parka_!lint, pending a Negotiation which involved the
questiOn 'of Pe:ice or War ? The Ministers would,
indeed, have deserved the charge of want of firm-
ness, if they had come down to Parliament upon
every point or the Negotiation, instead of waiting
till they could communicate the final result. He
trusted, therefore, the House would shew, by its de-
cision, that Ministers ought t'o have that credit and
confidence which they had so well deserved by their
condud.
Earl SPENCER took a view of the conduit
of Hii Majssty's Ministers from the first period
of their having come° into power, down to the
present time, and pointed out several parts of
which he felt himself bound to disapprove.: he
maintained, that they ought to have come to Parr
liament with information, when they knew that
the mit Article of the Treaty of Amiens had be.
come Imprafficable, instead of which they had
lulled the Country into a false security of the con.
tinuance of Peace, He expressed an apprehension
that they were carried away by the desire of popu-
larity, as the authors and continuers of Peace; but
they had no occasion to be so impressed, for that
at the time of the signature of the Treaty, the
people oh this Country were by no' means clamorous
for Peace ; on the contrary, they so little expelled
it, that it came upon them by way of absolute sur-
prise. The Noble Earl having expatiated largely
,on the various parts of the conduit tit' His Majesty's
Ministers, said he had great esteem for them as in-
dividuals, but he felt himself-bound to say, that as
a Peer of Patliatnent, they did not possess his con-

•
Lotd-411ELFILLE said, that after the best at.
tension he 'was able to give . to the question, he
found'himself impelled to concur in the Motion of
Adjournment., for several reasons ; first, because if
this Matter was entered into at all, it would take
up. the greater put Of the remainder of the Se-ssion,
if it was to be adequately _discussed, and it. *AS bet-
ter not to discuss it ail than to discuss it impelled_
ly, loecontily, that although this wss an important
point, and their Lordships had certainly the power of
interfering to address the King to remove his Mini-
sters, yet they had also b sides their laiweronother
thing consider which was the exercise of their
discretion ; Am) he thought• that before any thing
else was done, that the 'House should do
*ever
a y
thing in its power to put the Country into pro-
per estate for its defence at this most important
Orisi, as well to encourage the people at bottle, at
tt3 teach the Enemy abroad, that we are an united
People, which was not to be ,accomplished by a
party struggle oF who shook! get places undeoGo.
moment ; thirdly, 'Becatex there was no reason
tot presuming that the Ministers did not possess
the entire confidence of the Crown ; anti therefore if
the linme,addresied HiS Majesty to remove' them,
it might not perhaps, be quite easy to agree upon
others' to supply their paces, and this was ' not
j time to be without an Administration. 'He
was old ehouAit to retn6tiber when, in the
tune of Lord North, addresses %vete very
general for the removal- of .Ministers, and Par.
fiament interfered, addressed, the King, the Mini,.
stern Were accordingly rem,ived,but atter their re-
moval it becaMe difficult to form another Admini.
stration in whom the Pitblic 103 confidence. An ,
• Administration, however, was Afterwards formed
With much difficulty, but it dissolved 64011 after.
wauls by its own disi4nrion ; his Lordship assign-
ed several reasons why he could not be able to
assent to the several. propositions with which the
original 'Motion was proposed to be followed
. up, and Some others in which lie could assent
for disproving .of the cantina of Ministers, par-
ticularly in giving up the Cape cf- Good I lope,
which he:considered of immense value to u, ; but
411 these topics he said were mml touch too laborious
a discussion for the present. _He justified " his cOn-
dutt with regard to the planning of the Expedition
to Egypt,, and'paiti a tribuie of praise to the me.
mory of Sir Ralph AbercrombY, who had so great a
share in the execution' Of it. He also allowed great.
credit to be due to the present AdMinist ration. for the
manner in which they brought that matter to a
Ormination,
as also fiir the winner they hatttermi-
4nited the 'contest betiveen this country and the
Nt'irthern Powers. He toneluded with gitiing his
hearty assent to the motion of Adjournment.
71e, tISU ?FOLK said a few words, with a view of
shewing teat o Martinirp;e and Guadaloupe, not to the
plan tir Ministers, but to Sir Chlries Grey's not 14:Ong
strictly followed their.orders, whin his, Lordship stattiti as'
aim instanceof incapacity.
Lard LIOIMAT had'lto knowledge
.of what had just been
stated. ' fie complained of-the mannerin Ministers
were treated oh the present occasion Motion was matte
to censure them-they were aware, that as
.they had been in a
very arduous situation,-iu which there ttinst tie many things
done, which without eloseexamination might oe dis.tpp roved
of; they-were not anxious to have ins Inquiry into th,li
duet, but they were ready to meet it ; censure to be moved ,
on Ministers was no light Matter, and yet now it was pro_
posed that the question should be ajourned, by which they
would be lett in. the same siwatio4 as they were in before the
debate; with the dilierence only of having had their conduct.
Complained. 0f.,--1.10 tookoecasion to say, that he did not
entertain the same opinion of the value of
.the .cape as the
Npble Viscount who had preceded him-,,fie etmeluded with.
expressing a wish that as Ministers' conditet had been cm-
sured by somcNoble,iands, the House would not agree to
the Motion of Adfinirnment; but would Lune to a vote upon
the original question.
LordVAßYS.livAir thought tfic I'4=og:it ,;,1 the C lOW I),
In ehusing its own' Ministers' of great hupottince, ati.t th.tt
it was inter Ming to the Public to preterve it inviolate, but
at time same timmilitought that the House of Lonis :druid not
remain in a state of incrtncss en the eondua of lid:: Majesty's
' Ministers, bem:anse-t hat • would he very discohta4ing to the
Public% w 1104 clitAxy ought to he as much as possible brought
fortvard portaut • - •
L.;ed 'AN 1::1" thought, thil wai not the right einitse
"111, tbotight'tliat arty Nobio I td visited cis
tiv.i:i-s condut. at His Tvlaie?A%,'s Mintstets, the tight
• s‘fai WLM bL! 9,I'CL-N,dUtiiat b!, a_Coutirtittcv itquiry
lie thought Mi.iutmters wvm-e ticit fairly 10:41-0 114',4 course
be-- Lai.

certainly was werotible their Lordships at kilate at
hotrr, yet he could 'nit enter into ttoy,apology for
so doing, because; considering•. the subjeel
fore the House, he, thonght it would, on his part,
be a disgraceful desertion of leis duty if be Were
to remain silent upon this occasions, and that the
-More especially after, what-liad fall-en from hiS
Noble and Learned Friend: He had said, he
thought Ministers had a right to complain of
the form and manner in 'which the subjean was
brought forward. Now his Ndble• and Learned
Friend was not ignorant that' those Who brought
forward this Motion, might, if they had so chosen,
have stated all ^the objeCtions they had to urge
against the conduit of the. King's
,Ministers,
on the very night when they considered the !lieu_
merits which were laid upon the Table, together
with the Declaration of His Majesty npon the suh.
jest of the War.. If there was any deviation from
the mode stated by the Noble and Learned Lord
to be the .usual mode, it arose from two eauaes—
firit, from a desire to separate the consideration of
the State of the country front every other considers..
don; secondlyi:that Ministers
,theinselves might
be prepared to take what course they liked best ;.
nor was there the least difficulty on his part in as-
aenting 'to the subject. being discussed in a Corn
mittee of Itiquirk, if any one of His Majesty's
Ministers should say he thought that the most ad.
vantageous mode for himself, He had avoided say.
any thing of the condua of the King's Ministers
on the night of the diSeuesion nf the question of Peace
or War, upon the Information laid before the House,.
although for the last tWelvethonths he had most
unthaubtedly
.much to state by way of Censure upon
them, hut he abstained for two reasons first, be-
cause he would nor have the people of this Country
suppose that any consideration could supersede-
that of their" interests ; secondly,' that ehe.Enteny
May learn, that as far as regard's a Sted4st 01104.
Lion to Mena, we are an united people ; and there:.
fore it was, that when the question of Peace or War,
was discussed, not a word was said upon the con.
(luta of Ministers who had brought us into thi.
auadon. It was true 'there was great difference of
opinion on the conduit of the King's • Mini!.
stets, lett that was :a subject' hich did not mix
with the consideration of the conduei of the
Enemy, the aggression and inselence of'which we
were determined to resist, a mode of proceeding.
of which its authors had no reason to'be-ashametl.
They had no desire to embarrass the King's Go.
vernment, they had only' the desire of pertOrming
their duty, that of-eotering into a :consideration of.
,the Situation of this Country, a 4ituatien which
none .felt more than those who brought the present
suhje(t before their Lordships. Another in).
tive they .had -for proceeding inohis, that notice
should be given to the King's Ministers, who might
come prepared, nor only to discuss that which they
were bound to be prepared to discuss, the Paco_.
merits laid before the Home, but also w discuss
that which they were equally bound to be apre.
pared to discuss, and that, at the same time, .as
the docutnents, if any Noble Lord had insisted.
upon it, hut which they ,were not called upon solo
discuss the subject ; on the contrary, it was made
a matter of _Separate and distiria discussion,
after giving Ministers the.full notice of time points
which would be Made subjects of objeCtion to their
caudal. He would ask whether this could be
deemed an unfair mode of proceeding ?'NOw he
,was
bold to say it was the (fired contrary—it was an
earnest and particular desire of doieg their duty
in than HOLM as Peers of Parliament, that ac.
tuned those who brought this subject forward; a
'desire' to' do justice to the Country itself, and
aiso to pursue the :faults of the King's Ministers
with candour and moderation, nor eomplaioing of
those whom they were obliged to condemn, mud
after the 'other and. still snore important business
was disposed of, as it had'been disposed of. It was
said by his Noble and Learned 'Friend, that, this
• Motion should have been preeedzal by ;in inquiry
by a Committee. Now their Lettiships would ob.
serve, that, much difficulty had been avoided
in this case, by ,the mode in which this matte: was
arranged. It was far the reason's lie had' already
stated, kept 'dear ofthe geneial question of the
state of the country ; ,it Was also made extremely
Simple, by the charges having blot) 11114,e spectlic.
They had not contented theniselVes with Making
general accusation, brit they had pointed our speci_
tic charges. the was prepared to substantiate those
charges. A' 'message e sone, tune ago I'hirt the
Crown, calling on the, Count!), to atm agaiest
Ftrinee.. Those who legit complained of;t conduA
Of the King's ;alieisters, long before this period,
suspende•ti all their proceeding-upon that subjed iM-
mediately, 'and from the delivery cif that 'Message,
down to. the fineloloSe of the meaSure, no intertup.
tion.,took 'place in the distussitin -of the public busi-
rteSa.. ' Now that business was over, the oppontneri
of: Ministers came forward, and spoke sioectely of
.what appeared -to be their faults, anti he mainte mood
titre was twilling to complain of in the manner 'in
which this was done. His Noldt'and Le:treed 'F'riced
knew very well that tie debate now before the
I louse might be turned into a Committee of Its.
toiry,, by , any body either on the one side
or the- other. If any one of I pis Majesty's
Ministers should propose that this •subjeet 'should •
,even
:now be referred to a Committee of Inqulty,
ltis, Lordship said that he would nut olaFato
He laid thUs much to &feud:himself 'against the int-
pntatiou of harshness, :and indeed. Noble Loral were
much. mistaken it they thought he had any pleasure.
in bringing this huainesslor ; the truth was, that
he was pertOrming a.very paieful duty. . He now
came to the question-itseil. Ilot thirile his
Noble i.rntl Learned Fri ,eel f, v Ejawo to corn-
plain of the courose this Debate hail taken, .because'
it might be changed into a Cominittee, 'as he h:0
said already ; but,-he should show their Lordships.
that this course was perkily right. • His.Liardship_
ittetngti
iLtallie should not' think it necess,try 'to go much at
into this subjet% The question before the
Houses before. that of the Adjeurnment was moved;
was only zideclaratioe ofcertain which it 4-3 s no.:
possible to controvert, and Which h;iti not becn
,teillyttal to In ctgaroVericti, It ,N• - silted by
his Noble Friend who brought liirteardthisaubjea,
that it was'eueant to he tutioeeed op !ey other ,Rte,
L toortions it would have bee:. tr..t-Fieg with .the

le

tort!

Ptaaical measiire to Tollt4 it up,
would have
,been totih, and therefOie his Noble
Friend had
.giVen their Lordships to understand,
that if his first .motion was adopted, he shotthh
low it op by another, for the removal of the King'S
Ministers' as it was called, but that was not thy;
form of the Resolution which his Noble Friend in-
tended to propose; it_Was only to express ..to the
King, that the confidence Of that House was with.
drawn from His ;Majesty's Ministers. -He was
anxious to speak upon these points, because he was
afraid that the subject hitherto had not obtained all
the attention its Parliamentary importance appeared
to him to &Serve, Upon the Constitutional point in
this case his Lordship,observed, that he w;As.not gQiop;
to pledge himself to the certainty a being in the
riglJ in every thing he said in that Hoitse, like
ihe Noble and Learned Lord who had Spaketifsu
anthoritatively upon this subject, but he believed
that no tutu would deny that Communication froM
die Throne to the I lowes of Parliament was a very
usual thing, nor did he believe that any matt
who had any value for the :principles of, our
Constitution would deny the propriety of. these
Communications ; for without information of. this
kind, Parliament would not know propetly-what
duties it had 'to discharge. 'This was at point on
which he saw nn dif&ulty in the invesog:ition.
'There were some things width were rattier
care to pursue, and he should touch upon them very
lightly. The Noble and Learned Lord had !Ad,
that of all the Chatges that were made, the
Charge that Ministers did' not coine dowO to Par.
Ijainelit sooner, wa4 the ;Mast foolish tint ever was
exhibited, and he nave a challenge to any one to
hew the contrary : now his Lrirdship said, that at
the ha4aril of lt-ing called foolish by .the Nod, ansi
Learned Lord, he sln,uhl accept this challenge;
had' called on any hotly to pdint out what was
the Communication which Ministers ought to have
.

made to Parliament; and notwithstanding the risk
he ran of exposing what that Noble anti Learned
Lord called consutinuate ignorance, he would point
out, not only one Ordenlar tiling which Ministers
ought to have commtmiCated to Parliament, -which'
they did not, but a dvail of particular pqints in
which it was the duty of the King's Ministers to give
itt'f,rmation to the two Houses of Parliament, in
order to keep up that whiCh it was essential
to the interests of this 'Country to keep up, namely,
a good understanding between the Crown nthl the -
two ifouses of Parliament. As to the wanner in

'which the Preliminary Articles of Peace Were de-
fended, and wlut had been said on the terms of
them, and also the wne of the Government. with
whom we treated, andh espeCially what' had been

,aiLi on the tone and manner of the Ciovernment of
France after the signature of the Definitive Treaty,
hen it was confidently stated there was nothing in
the charattet of the G ,vernment of France,. or in
the character of the person at the head of that Go.
vernment, which ought to lead us to suppose that the
peace then concludedwould not be as permanent as any
this country had agiced to within the last century ;
this his Lordship said he should nor now insist t' ,n,
although it' proved a lamentable want of forest:lt,,,
and inight have tni7,led the Public it there had been
nothing clic to do so ; but instead of insisting upon
this assertion, he' would take the matter up after
the Definitive 'Freaty. The House had heard of the
iholition of the Spanish Lingueti, which was a ma»
tcrial part of the . to h Attiele of the Treaty of
Amiens ; there wits, he believed, no information
before -the 1-louse when that abolition took place,
although that was important on tire subject of .liall'a.
It, appeart'd by the Declaration, that this ahnlition
took place previous to the execution of the .Ddini-
cave Treaty of AMiens, and when thiS was debated
in Pat fiament, he . told Ministers and the }fact na
that the Treaty was itopratlieable in the tart
Article, on account of nheabolition of this
Spanish Laugue. Ile would not risk charatter
upon that matter, but his firm belief wasp that. this
spanish Longues had been aholished hef'ore the rati.
fication of that aid he indeed entertain
a &MIA Of if—Ministers had better means of infoi.
motion than others, but his Lordship had 0 film
belief that this: was so, and that these Longues
were abolished before the end of March. Thk sub.
itql was debatedin that llouse on the t 3(li of May,
aid then the Ministers
.defended the pratticability
of this toth Article of the Treaty—this he charged
as' milliehaviour in Ministers, for by tint they mis.
led the Public`; they ought to 'have advised His
Majesty to inform the Houses of Parliawnt
that the Treaty was becomeimpradicable, and theta ,
the two Houses would have had an opportUnity of
julging -ivhat advice to give to the Throue—
whether to
,endeavour to negotiate for another._
neaty, or t,} ilirsuc the War. lint it was now
said, that the Treaty of Amiens,was 'only Ott ex.
r.riment. it an experiumut, it was nothi`up; but
untortun ire .e riawr,t ; for its (Licari,
very hot , anti we ni t‘l,. irenn,nse sactitices to ()o.
• fain it sit:nt
.w:+.+.s, it w..: SACTifiCeS COnCt%ssiiiilS
t,1.5111,:: Enemy, whieh li Was almost afraid to ineo.
God only ktww tioCii many soldierS and
t,aaors, were disbanded, mid. that -when we bad so
deal with an Enemy ut a cing9l,;ir ;
Eneiny whom. e,or drotts p'f force employstl
for years had not h,ory able to reduce to modec.:.,
ruin, our M Coil-aVoured. to nthice'. Mode.
rate by sobt-nisipit concession, Nnw 11+
sail, that i'vlini,t,ers kno,,,ing these things, ought
not to tr.!) the
I.
that we had a treaty with I, rauce, and had cook tA
c(I ih I.vh(:n th:it Very ItYbUteilt !hey
that that Whkh thqy called a Definitive Treity- was
itnprA'aiGable thing; they were told sift,' and
they' iktended the Treaty : this his 'L(n-asltip
~n Ministers as a great Mkr.snclut`t, w !ah
had the e tit&hiding tht
file 3th . !I. 411 Ma). ser„sioo dfiat
knger, and, we proceedea on . the
ment tai Mai to mike I°e;reat
if we h,,a Pe 4,4...
until. the 9th of jutw. their :Lorao-hip,,:WiSis....
t I to know 110'N t':ifii,Ull,!lii' a4PA 30,t;rw%ttit;,
cfer they.; tr. :the by, winch
it appeared that the It 61: (ht.:
Continoni, on the ias! of Par.
li4tment,- wherein ht:, 4hvii,k.i flit ;Majesty for It ist.
ink proetarekto t-1;s I,tithftil Sttl)jeas the: htei-
jriio of rCat:Prr.NOW, uoik 5VZ,..11,;.E

Houra of Cotilm:lns was not one. of His
ti:!j,stn's Minister, bur he was one of those Iv;ho
wefe deluded by i lis I\l,ajc.ity's I\elt'nisterb, and
contr:buted to delcaling ihe Public ;- -and what
was_ lii I\eiajesty'' Ansr.er to that speech ? He ad.
v ihed hi ,Subjecis thc cultivation of the adv an.
tagei of Peace, at the vet ;y time that Mioisters
knew that the Trepty they bad agreed to was len.
prate icable,--Hc contended.. we ought to have the
truth as they knew it to be. his Lordship then came
to the constitutional part of the ease, ant maintained
thqi wharefermight be Saia to the contrary by any

mon, learned:or *earned, it was thepratliet Of out
GOveounent, utifor;iOly, heal. the 'Revolution
W donwaVds, for the Crown always, upon the, meet-
ing ofParliamenti. to inform the t kvo houses of the
ioternid state of the Country, and all its ex-
ternal relationS, for the purpose of calling
for their advice on. all these points, as advice
might be necessary, a praeliee in which. consisted
the freedon of-the State, and without which ours
did not deserve the name of a free State. His
Lordship said he looked carefully over all
the journals from the time of the Revolu-
tion to the present, and he would venture to
there was not a single instance in which,
if there was any thing important to be communi-
cated, it was not communicated from the Throne to
the two Houses of Parliament ; and many instances
occurred, in which not only the circumstances
were stated, but the advice of Parliament was spe.,
eifically asked upon them t these things frequently
occurred in the Reign of Queen Ann and King
illiam, and there were many instances of a simi.
lar kind in the illustrious predecessors of His pre-
seta Majesty, George I. and IL Here his Lord.
ship specified several, and observed, that not one
of them was - a case. of so much importance
as the- present :—he was therefore not afraid of
the rebuke of the Learned Lord who had taken
upon himself to 'pronounce upon this suhjett
in so peremptory a tone ; be asked for no more than
that Government should follow the Precedents of
their. Ancestors, for 41 Stare super antig. nal,"
was a load maxim, His Lordship then proceeded
to enumerate many other points which were within
the knowledge of the Ministers, and which it was
their duty to have communicated to the two Houses
of Parliament, anti which manifested the hostile
disposition of the Enemy, and by which the Pub.
lie would have saved from the evils to which they
had been exposed ,by 'the delusion. In one
word, there was no one fact complained • of in
His ithjesty's Declaration against France, that
was nor' known to Ministers so long ago, as No.
veml.*r last, ,except the publica doll of Sebastiani's
Iteport. •
His Lordship proceeded to animadvert upon vari-
pns other topics couneeed with the subject under
discussion, anti,argued considerablr in &tail as to the
ill consequences produced by the•measures adopted
by. Ministers. fie histar:ced, amongst other karats,
the losses suffered 1w the Sovereign as Eledor of
Hanover, and the situation to which the House of
Orange was ret)uced: it the condud adepted by
Mirt.sters, with teqeirt to Switzerland,. were wise
in Oeoher, it would be more wise in June, when
their lurid force was twenty thousand men stronger,.
and 'they had a powerful .Navy , to ael with
Haut their interference On that head was too lace,
aod before our Messenger reachei Vienna with
propositions to , the
,F,mperor, Sw. itzerland was
in po:;session of the Fre'nch. TiOops. Their or-
ders with respeet• to the Cape were, under the cir.
,cutnstances they had sent theni, unjustifiable—they
should• have dispatches 'spirited remonstrances in
the first instance ; and after all that had been. said
thit.night, they surrendered the Cape; at:a time
when a powerful body of French Troops were in,
the heart of Holland, Their condo& with .respea'
to Malta was weak and impolitic in the extreme,
as -Moat forcibly appeared in a Document pub-
tidied' at the other side of the Water,. by
yhich it appeared, that the Russians were ad-
Yeicae to the measures taken with resped to that
Island, and that they were even contrary to exist-
ing engagements between this Country and that
Potentate., After lightly touching upon the affair of
..Egypt, he proceeded to animadvert upon the con-
eitta of Ministers with respee to different' Royal
Communications to Parliament, , which, for want of
sinfficient explicitness, st ere produeive of -the most
injurious consequences to the Commercial Lulea ts of
the Country. He then commented in some detail upon
the tenor and drift of Some of the Resolutions, and
thought that the adoption thereof could in no point
of view be
.prodative of. mischief, nor could it'
militate against, the discharge, of any of the duties
pf that House. In conclusion we understood his
Lordship to speak in disapprobation of the Motion
Of Adjournment, but to press the adoption of the
• Reiolutions on the grounds he had stated in the
COUrSC of his speech.

i.i:,- I OR D CHANCELLOR entered into the Ind:4ra at
con:ALI:Ade length, and iu arguing the oroininent points in
dis,.,,lssio,), he displayed his usual abilities.—The extreme
l:utyce;s of the hour prevents our giving the Noble and Learn-
ed Lord's objervations iu..,iny detail.--He deprecated the pro-
posal for adlotirnment, and observed, that the true question
:it issue with a reference to an adjournment would be, whether
the foree of int; COuntry was to be wielded by those of whom
the Hoos, nciy deeto, as set thrill in the relevant resolution
under cou,,,ideration-,What must..be.- the situation, of the
Country in the mean tiow ? And it should beconsidered what
Cie sesiiiinems of the enemy, would be on pm:crying that in
the first i)ebate after It I a War had commenced, propositions
w.-re entertaincdin such a way, as 'negatively at leasti would
inotly that the Ministers of the Crown ought not to be trust.:
ed with the conduCt of the War. He thought such proposi-
tions 3$ these before the HOuse should be speedily decided
upon. Ifit•Lordsli)p then proceeded to comment upon. the
,'"foor or tho differeot Reiolutions, and combated at consider-
able length the various paints advanced by these Noble
'Lords who supported the Rdolutions, and he alluded to the
conini4icin which inay be found to subsist beavers) the Re-
Solutions: While. speaking of the question of the Def,nitive
Treaty, on which so great a diversity of opinion prevailed,
lie observed, flt.tt in considering that topic, he thbught it
proper aJwars to recur to the l'rojet for the Treaty at Lisle;
that be seemed to say was only a question of; terms, and
Minium, thought if they could obtain as favourable
term' 'as those, it w.is a Treaty they could with propriety
lay before Prliament. With respeo to what had fallen
trniii a Noble and Learned fiord sespeCting the seizure of
Yetlsels, 'Slid tnic; particular circumstances, not being a.
ground of'Wer, was correelly right j the' point was to be
considered with a reference to the Municipal tyre of
VIAIlt:g• :.but if in the course of Such jUdici4l proceedings as
1
night 'obtain; a bnotile mind Was perceptible, it stns certain.
y a just ground rot aiuitable remonstrances, and for aCting upon
hell), were such reinoystrances not attended with the desired
*Met., fli J ;..f) raship ;hen proceeded to Vindleate the cowl oil of
in tots with respott to the different points onwhich it had
been iittao;ed? and contended that it Was of a very different cics-
Oiption froM that 'which would deserve so severer It censure as
lie. third Resoliltion impllisir,. p even to adjeutn, 4 Motion
440,4 it, which. .14ster mode of proreciling was strongly (le-
ic;:iuted' thy 'ins loitlialipr al* au the -lintlitt pr its
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tadicig to palsy the .endeavours of His 'Majesty's Govern:
ment.
Lords Mc LG.RAVL Ond Gazwv t.t.z :severally spoke in
explulation. ! -
Lord CgANTCLY3lldthaarl of WARWICK delivered their
sentiments.. Atter which the question being rather loudly call-
ed for, the stimigers 'were ordered to withdraw--After which,
as ws could coiled, their Lordships divided, first on the ques-
tion a 'Adjournment
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Majority: -88
And, secondly, on the Motion for the Previous Question,
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Majority - 95
The question was then put on the subseqttentßesolutions,
which were negatived without a division.

On the Motion of Earl .F; TZWI LIAM, their Lordships
were ordered to be summoned for Monday, to which day, at
Half-past Four o'Clock this Morning, the Ilouse adjourned.

110 USE OF ammoNs.
THUILIIDAi.p• JUNE 2.
SIR FRANCIS BARING brought in a Bill for improving
the Port of Lcndon, which was read a first time. -
Mr. ALEXANDER brought up a Report of the Convoy
Bill; on the Amendments being read, Gftiral GAscoYNa
expressed a wish to know, whether the lint would extend
to Ireland.
Mr. VAN:in-T.411T replied in the affirmative.
The Bill, with the Amendments, was then ordered -to
be read a second time to-morrow.
Markham's Divorce Bill, from the Lords; was read a third
time and passed.
His Majesty's Ordnance Bill was read a first time, and or..
tiered to be read a second time to-morrow. '
Mr. CANNING said,be rose to make a Motion
for some Papers he gave notice of yesterday, which
was, that an humble Address be presented, to His
Majesty, praying that there .may be laid before
this House, Copies of ail the Memorials respeding
the' Conferences between ,Marquis Cornwallis and-
Citizen Joseph Bonaparte, from the 18th and igth
of February 180 e, stating the intentions and dispo-
sitions of the Maltese with resped to the Order of
St. John of Jerusalem. He then observed, it was
his wish to. have a point cleared up with roped to
the Communication between Lord Cornwallis anti
the French Plenipotentiary, he should therefore
move for a Copy of the otocole relative to the
same, as published by the French Government :
he also begged leave to move, that there be laid be.
fore the House a Copy of a Paper signed by the
Maltese Deputies, and delivered to the Plenipo.
tentiary Of the two. Countries.
Lora' HAWKES-13(.1RY observed, with respell
to the first Motion, he should certainly make no,
objedion to it, as it might'be fair that the House
should see theiaapert, asked for by the. Hon. Gen.
tleman with t-alkt to the Maltese Government;
but as to the other two Motions, heihould certain.
ly oppose them, as the Papers required by the first
would answer every purpose intended by the latter
Motions, and he was sore there, were .no Parlia.
mentary grounds could be laid down to enforce the
produdion of the : Papers requested by the latter
Motion offered to the House ; he therefore should
move the previous question on the latter Motions.
The first Motion was then put and carried, and
the tivo latter rejeded.
Mr. 'CANNING then moved that an humble Ad.
dress be .presented to His Majesty, praying that:
there may be laid before this House the,date of the
Order of the departure of Citizen Chappey, • from
His Majesty's Dominions; which. was put, and
agreed 10. ,
The ATTORNEY GENERAL moved to bring' in
a Bill to remedy the defeth. in issuing Exchequer
'Bills.—Leave granted.
•
Mr. YORKE moved that a Committee be 'ap.
pointed to consider the extent of the Militia in
England, when . embodied, and whether the saute
plan ought to be applied to Scotland. , •
MIDDLESEX ELECTION.
Mr. SHERIDAN said, that helioped the house -
would divest theMselves of all prejudice on the
question now uoder.consideration : in almost every.
county where Contested Eledions had taken place, an
exchange of lists were complied with in the course
of twenty days from the Order; The Middlesex
Eledititt took place in June. last, and eotwith.
standing :twelve months have elapsed, the -Sitting
Member has nut been able to get a list of those
persons who gave their votes for Mr. MAINwAIt-
ING. Yet„the Sitting Metnber /Nis been prepared
to exchange Lists some 'time. Every Member in
the House must be satisfied that Mr. &JAIN WAR I NO
hatefl(' sufficient time to ptepare his List. If the :
House should be disposed to postpone the eXchinge
of Lists to next• Session, there would be but a very
Short time allowed in that case to investigate that
great mass of business connected with the Middlesex
Eleetion. He therefine hoped the House would
take the case into consideration, anti order the lists
to be exchanged agreeable to his Motion.
. The question was then pur, that Mr. Mater.
WAli INC do by himself, or Agent, deliver in,-on or
before the 3 t st of the present month, a List of Free.
holders who gave their Votes for him to serve as 'a
Member of Parliament for :the County of Middle-
sex; and that Sir FR ANt i$ BURDCTT also'by
self, or Agent, ticltver in the same, at the time
4tbove.Mentioned.
A conversation then took place between Mr.
BRAGG!, Mr. Fox, Mr. SHERIDAN, and time AT.
TORN EY-GENERAL, who moved, that the First of
November should be the day for the Exchange of
Lists ; which was put,. and agreed to.
The I louse resolved itself into, a Committee. on the Ship
Burning Bill. ,
Mr. Coa a v expressed his intention to bring in a Bill to
extend this Law to Ireland. -
The Report was brought up, anti ordered to be received
to-morrow.
Mr. Cosa r then gage notice, that on an early day he
should bring in -a Bill to extend -the provisions of the Ship •
Burning Bill to Ireland. -
The Cotton Workmen's Dispute Bill was read a first time,
and ordered to be printed and read a second time on Wednes-
day nejt.
l'h(Report of the Committee on the Assessed Taxes was
brotlght up, and the Resolutions read and Agreed to, 414 leave
given to bring in a Bill. s
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The Report of the Committee of Supply was brought
arat ordered for Wednesday ; and also the
mote:cot Ways and Means was ordered for Wednesday.
The Order of the Day for the second reading ofthe Media
sine Bill,
Alderman Comae moved, that the second reading [wino"
pope ter fourteen day's..
• Mr. Yrostrefial said, lie titougilt rt we 4 " ijuite
sucient time.
The Bill was then ordered into a CoPttlittce or the whale
tlause this* day sOnnight,
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