The Sun.
London, England, 1835-02-28 00:00:00

neeretiire of the hon. members for I'm/meth and Mitten were not at al:
!_pPl,cable to him and these who acted with him on his side of the house.
'-he burden of those hon. members' song was, that he (sir. Hume) was
fanxious to get the Tories out of office, in order that he might get into
entered into
It was well known that such a thing had never
void of itnrituoth.h is mind, and the assertion, therefore, was entirely
It seemed, however, to be the only argument
that... could be brought forward on the other side.—(Hear, hear.)
team Tories?
their long experience in misrule they were incapable of bringing ibr.
Ward liberal measures. Their pioneeers had promised much, but what con-
fidence could be placed on such promises ? It was to the credit of the right
. h9o,hart, that he declared that he was still unchanged, though he was
thatminsorted by a. section of the House; but what was the bond
high united them ?—was it a uniformity of opinion ? No, it was the
Church party. That assertion was of course received
with cheers; but he would repeat the assertion that it was the dorni-
lidera Church party. It might be thought offensive to call the
Noble Lord, the member for Lancashire's patty a section
of the house. The party on this side had been cal'ed a Tail.
Be i t Tail or party, he, during his experience in party, never witnessed
More unhallowed coalition In the late parliament, they
allatoerted that they were Whigs, whether old or new ones, he could
say;t but it was evident that they were not reformers.
tat seas
a matter of surprise to him to know how the right hon. baronet
member
for Cumbei'and, who upon every occasion that tie met his
Constituents, declared his total dissent from the principles they professed,
!!o._ he could reconcile the coalition which he formed with them. Was
It the coalition of principle or of place?—(Cheers.) How often had he
decia red that he had no confidence in his Majesty's Government ?
e,e .
would be delighted to see the Right Honourable Baronet the
Member for Cumberland, and the Noble Lord • the Member for
nothing
join the Adminielstration—(loud cries of "Hear, heard))—
. u'ing could please him better, fnr it would then show the Reformers
" England who were the true Reformers.—(Great cheering.) What
:'"e they ? Why, nettling else but wolves in sheep's cloathing, look.
pfor a fold where they could enter aed enjoy the good
rungs and benefits of place. He must say that the members of such a
addition would for ever disgrace themselves. What was their conduct
on the Church Temporalities Bill ?—(Hear, hear.) Could any coo&
dente
be placed in the men who supported the 147th clause of that bill.
The right hon. baronet (Sir James Graham), according to the news-
PaPers of the dav, speaking of the strength of that section (Lord
Stanley's) ••
sal they were always distinguished for their steady support
to The Whige—(hear, hear, hear.) The names of these steady sup_
Porters were given in the Morning Chroniele, who met at the house
of the noble lord. Amongst them was Lord George Bentick, who it
wa's stated walked arm in arm with Mr. Hughes Hughes.--(Laughter )
The right hon. baronet (Sir J. Graham) was also there. Other gentle.
Mee were named who, it appeared, went to the meeting, same in an
omnibus and others in a cab. He (Mr. H.) denied that any of
them weresteatly Reformers. Take for instance the right hon. baronet the
member for Newcastle (Sir M. Ridley). He never was a steady re-
gentler; he always Was neutral and uncertain, and nobody could ever
te:l hew he would vote, until the division had taken place. Sometimes
he was a decided out.and-out Tory, and at other times a Whig; and
ortee he made a Whig speech, and then gave a Tory woe._
(Loud laughter, and cheers.) Next he (Mr. Fiume) found the
name of the noble lord, the member for Norwich (Stormont). Could
:4 one' say that he was a steady reformer, who, during the dis-
`l'4ion 0,1%, the reform bill, voted on as he did ?—(Hear, hear.)
would not trespass upon the house by naming the other gen.
eim'then who Attended the meeting—suffice it to say, that not one
'„''era could beedeemed real reformers. The right hon. baronet (Air
aliv'eel) will find ttis new allies but halOand.half friends, who are waiting
'3 to see in wharelirection the wind will blow. But firer eform party
Would,; now know their friends—they would know who were reformers and
ii2ln-reforerners. The meet:ng, therefore (at Lord Stanley's), was of
thalk'rta"ce, inasmuch as this advantage was derived from it,
G 'they (the reformers) were enabled to distinguish their friends
ican their enemies. He (Mr. Hume) thought that the right
,71°thable baronet (Sir Jame 9 .Graham) was peculiarly unfortunate
bi.'en he spoke of e factious opposition. If any member were to
„Line on that head, the right hon. baronet was as liable to the impute-
to-Zs" any gentleman of that house, and yet he now talks of factious
'll°B4ton—calls, us on this side of the house a rope of sand, and says
that
T. we were determined to root up the institutions of the country.
6," is thus he atteMpts to throw dirt upon his old allies, and,like all hasty
4'4,6. who, generally, lest their sincerity should be doubted, be-
rte the most zealous agents of the party they join, and exceed
ge,ern in vilifying the party they desert. But, thank God, they (the
lie°llriers) had found out who were their sincere friends.—(Hear.)
"on. baronet and the noble lord might endeavour to cover their
,I,J"Ndstency in`the mime they had taken last night, but
e°ngratulsted them Olson their proceedings, and he heartily congra.
ew
'• ted the reformers upon having got rid of them, because
iv; (114. Hume) was always of opinion that an open enemy
t far to be preferred to a pretended friend, and who was "ready to
ehn lound at every opportunity that might ,resent itself The Reform.
thesatisfaction of beating not only the Tories but the Stanley
a-ela.t?, with all the assistance they could bring tu the aid of their new al-
nTherefurts,. it was, he conceived, a double victory, and therefore he
not press .flee amendment he intended to move. The Noble
'the member . - fer Lancashire, fully satisfied the house upon one
tot namely, his t,.' a 1 want of modesty, if they were to. judge by the
I,l4'iner in which he e %used those with' whom he had hitherto acted.
wets a'ae one thing %Wel in the noble lord's speech. which
kzid'etl considerably with' him (Mr. Hume) in withholding his
tendraent. He stated that the real question was whether or
an the house was quite prdpared to reject the present ministry,
„ that it vies undisguisedly a vote to express want of confidence in
I},t- 4°vernment. He hoped the house would carry to the foot of the
no,e an address expressive of' such a feeling.—(Hear, hear.) It
eed '441 upon the opposite side, that the characters of Lord Brougham
o°f Lord Lyndhurst were not to L.e compare-1. He was quite ready
(ti.,"'Pare them either as regarded their public or their private lives
oh, from the ministerial benches)--because the eliAraeter of the
Sinks when placed in contradistinction with the former. .What
rto be said that the friend of liberty, the advocate of unioersal
Iteb`", the man who encouraged liberal education, the benefactor Of
rece, was to be placed in comparison with the noble arid
e,,;tl lord who now sat on the woolsack ? 11!ary gentlemen re-
eh, tiered the time when Lord Lyndhurst brought •• with him from
e4i"lca the Republican principles of the United States, awl when beheld
I.4Nolis far stronger than any which he (Mr. Hume) e Yet advocated.
say there was no comparison between their publics conduct as
eorde certainly was not in their private life.—(Cries ofd Oh, oh!")
he Brougham was as superior to Lord Lyndhurst, in • pieblie, as
perk in his private demeanour. He did not with to
tho'vere in this line of observation; but when the challenge was
It WWn out, were they to sit still and- decline the comparison?
tre,:',lrue that Lord Brougham had committed some errors, but they
'sags "most entirely from good motives, from his attending public meet-
arel dinners, and from his desire to identify himself with the people,
hAt b enter into their feelings.—(Hear, bear.) But those errors
heeneen grossly exaggerated by his enemies, and his lordship had
to • • Y
'alter! w th much unmerited obloquy. Mr. Hume then proceeded
Pahll'''Pate the political characters of the Duke of Wellington and Lord
eSerletston, and of Sir it.. Peel and Lord Melbourne, and to show that in
otober., of view the pelitical principles and characters of the members
fasi,e ate administration were far preferable, and much more conducive
lhaie Progress Qf reform and the welfafe arid happiness of the people than'
Nes of the pre Wit ministry. He maintained that gentlemen opposite,
naeacere chiefly 'returned by close corporations, should be the last to
Stet °f freedom of4lection ; and that it was utterly impossible to ex-
hort ilf°°,l government from such men as the conservative s. The right
{lie aq• opposite had admitted that it was now impossible to carry on
kightliven'lment on principles opposed to public opinion p
re yet the
shut
soLn. bart. could not certainly maintain that he was ppared to
tie ~,`"ose reforms and changes which the public voice demanded.
to 14-41 d tell the right hon. baronet that it would be impossible for him
aliterr! 051 any government, unless he did explains the principles on
btsd his reform was to be effected. He expected ministers would have
Cll R°Me declaration of when they intended to bring forward the
te,14% ReformLa Reform which the country looked for with more
4 %41 inan any other, and on that subject he is intent. He could
Ilte right hon. baronet that he would never have peace,
.nor
rse,,t to
thNt havecountry was r peace in Ireemoved land, u—
(ntil
Hear, the overgrown)
The hear. establish.
too .
• Ple
Nero, ENtland were not aware how much they were actually
that7ted in tins reduction of the Church in Ireland. He was convinced
"ere,,,,"te Malt tax might be taken off if the Church Establishment were
tre.,,,e ham that country—it would save more than a million of
Vele " to the' pockets of the people of England. It was all very
the r the right hon. baronet to amuse the house with his attention to
slat ci,ie'eeiPlihe of, the Church Establishment in England, lost
tettli`o the people of England, at least those parte who dis-
ae,,,from it, care about its discipline or its arrangement?
firal,4"' the noble Lord (Stanley) and the right lien. Baronet (Sir James
tO he enemies to all Ceduction of taxation, whilst they were
(l ea t° Aphofd the abuses' of the church in Ireland
rt e,) ~ "ear, hear.) He feared that' -.instead of relief there wouldthty .
to buildsnew churches—but he' would tell that House that it
the peneNteurred iir\ such a proposition the 7 would offend nine.tenths of
!se
against
of the trnited Kingdom. He, c n tae part of the people pro_
se, leaned such decease. He was sure that' hessse would never be al.
eti to
tiemion. whole system remain quiet till there was a review of the of
Coi•
•
Reail°l °t3eISIBTHORPE said he had never made illy assertion that
144, „rat wh trtle, and if the teen. gentleman alluded to hinia. he would tell
eat he had slated eva.s not correct.
fetes HUMS "l•r•
—What does the hon. colonel mean to say ? If he ai.
he •
o f
110 have said any thin untrue, I deny it.—(Much Idaeghter at
N gentleman's warmth.)
,SIRTHORP-1 ask the hon. gentlemen if he charges me ?
It,' laughter,)
Rh t er,)
thN-Qi never spoke of the noble and gallant colonel, and
sir °1:59 could not charge him.
ht). }7 WILMOT complained of the allusions made to him, and those
tend lei With hive by the hoe. member for illiddlesex. He had at-
,set.,l h-beT the house of the noble lord (Stanley) but he was an independent
!,1 eon.. O f Parliament. It was !most unfair to call him a sheep in wolf's
Nance --(Laughter)—because he had refused to join in the unholy a 1,..
,..
pIU kthe other
M side.
, E explained.
ote
up"o HA lIDS hoped it required no assurance from him that his
'Flit:4ls: tire question of the address last night was honestly, coneci.
st To, %and independently given—(lean) Whatever the hon. mein-
tt't Middlesex •
e lemight choose to assert, he (Mr. Richards) would yen.
Isoo.
ed_red that his character wa: as pure anti unsullied as that of
11ssy ,bich a:oer, or any of his associates—(hear, hear.) As to the
'Wskikr the hon. member had had the good taste to repeat from a
e begged to state that it was totally false and unfounded.
Nee „el' tan ES•HUGHES supposed the bon. member for Middlesex
,'Olo-"'• MY that any part of his imputations were intended to apply
1)41 Ile (Mr H
) egged to state, for the information o
ne the
1 sale ahti the •
the Puelte, that lie never was under the roof of the ble
any inember for Lancashire in his life ; neither had he ever held
Neis!Tninunicarren, either written or orally, with that noble Lord on the
ei,:r'ct of the aiciress, or upon any other matter whatever.—(He r,
itte'btoo,n. that he hat'. n
tat,
shouldnot be ashamed if lie had ; but he thought it right to
'ot, to show the correctness of the assertions which
li"4.s
" Member for 'Middlesex had had the boldness .to make. '1 he
(Mr. H. Hughes) was ?—(Laughter.
'litstt•
! member
c had asked What he )
t°
j4;_iid of viev. the place that he had the honour to represent, and
.„113' in his own pan* he begged to answer that he was one of
4cti,„e lone
Ineber's con stituency.vsbo strongly object
"a eof conducmt that Le Wai then pursuing.—(Cheers.)ed to the
. ,
tsh, .MUNICIPAL CQRPORATIONS.
hoe, a. Oli-N CAMPBELL said that, alter the declaration of the righ
tt eet the sedr°es t' hat he should not oppose the bringing up the report upon
.
It avould not be necessars for him to trespass upon the pa.
cirthe e,
'hew, L. He merely rose-to snake a single observation, or
4,40,,ti rather he should say to give a notice. In consequence of the
tole?" of the arrendment it would now be part of the address to be
to. set to the
rn. foot
. el' the throne, that it was the opinion of that house
14 be ~`2_ uneemal corporations of the kingdom ought, without delay, ,
the c• Ca eel under right and proper control. Those with whom he (Sir
\ had the honour to act, lulled that as soon as the report of
instil ' I ners should be laid upon the talge, his Majesty's govern-
''°"l,l
tio.propose and submit to the house t measure to carry into
l; .4t Part of the address. If that, however,Aould not be the case,
'''lieeeet leave to eive notice that he, in concurrence with those with
l‘kriLne eeted, would prepare and 'submit to the house a bill for that
see ([ ,hear.) •
hey .ILRSON TENNENT addreged the house at some length ;
" 6e 1[
buzz that prevailed at the time rendered the hon. mem.
ttbde es' •
ely..i.nabdible. It was only possible to catch a few detached
hen ,14,0 'tZe understood him to state that he should not have cb.
, e house had it net been fie the personal attack that had
ho4wp,. Toil him by the hon. menthe for Middlesex, aid which he
I,tql g to leave wholly unnoticed' The hon. member had as_
.14 ap_'' he (Mr. Tennent), in the vote se bad given upon the address,
'Weil his conduct to be influenced by the dictum of an individua