The Sun.
London, England, 1835-08-08 00:00:00

VIE SUN, LONDON, SATITRDA Y, AUGrS'r 8, 1835.

the expenditure of the public money should be made the means
of screening a corruption of the worst kind, and of making
the worse cause appear the better—that the funds which ought
to have been appropriated to public uses, were now applied to
the support of the very abuse by which the people were de-
prived of any controul over those funds.
The CHAIRMAN said they had met for the purpose of pe-
titioning the House of Lords to pass the Municipal Reform
Bill unimpaired and unmutilated. In his opinion, the mea-
sure now before Parliament was of far greater importance
to this town even than the Reform Bill itself. Many towns
had, by the Reform Bill, been enabled to return their own
Representatives; but in Dover, from the influence of the
Corporation, exercised without check or control, the Reform
Bill had had no good effects. He trusted that the increased
intelligence of the people would force conviction on the fac-
tious Peers on a question which could little influence them,
except in the power of which they would justly be deprived
—of choosing Representatives in the Commons House of
Parliament—Representatives which they knew ought to be
chosen by the people, and not by the aristocracy. Ho
trusted that the voice of the country would speedily induce
the Lords‘to concede a measure on which the rights of the
people so much depended.
Mr. LATHAM moved the first Resolution : _

' That this Meeting have ;;;Wed, with much alarm, the
tious delay and opposition offered by the House of Lords, to the Mu-
nicipal Corporation Reform Bill, is of opinion a Petition should be
immediately adopted and forwarded for presentation to their Lord-
ships, praying that the Municipal Bill, as sent up to them from the
Commons' House of Parliament, be allowed to pass their Lordships'
House unimpaired and unmutilated."
The Resolution was seconded by Mr. ELVE, and carried
unanimously.
Mr. LATHAM rose for the purpose of moving a petition in
pursuance of the foregoing resolution. He had no doubt that
the petition would meet with general approbation. The sys-
tem of Corporations as now pursued was adopted to meet the
exigencies of former times, of far different completion n'oe..,
those in which we lived. That system was ineot.:l,atibl;,,,-atii
the progress of knowledge, the general intelligence, and the
improved habits of the people—and to its rerwin the principle
of this Bill was applied. There had bef.gt-.,--
raised to this principleit-hati not been in the slighteNt degree
impugned. At this important moment it behoved the people
to make known their wishes, not only to their opponents in
this measure, but to those who were fighting their cause. Mr.
Latham concluded by reading the petition.
Mr. POUND moved that the petition be adopted,
The petition was carried unanimously.
Mr. RICE proposed that the petition be confided to Lord
Melbourne for presentation. He had said on a former occasion,
that he had the most perfect confidence in Lord Melbourne
and his administration. He had stated his conviction, that
their measures would prove at once safe and liberal—firm and
constitutional. His opinion had been fully bOrne oat, and he
had no hesitation in declaring that had the-people of Dover
elected him their representative the Government would have
had his undivided support.—(Cheers.) Mr: -Rice concluded
by moving—
" That a vote of thanks be given to Lord Melbourne and his Ma-
jesty's Ministers, for their firm and energetic conduct in introduc:.
ing and forwarding the Municipal Reform Bill thrOugh the House
of Commons—a measure which this reeding coniitlers not only in
every way adapted to the extinction of the principle of self7election
and the infusion of more popular control over the management of
those funds which ought to be appropriated to the public welfare,
but also highly necessary as furnishing the people with a satisfac-
tory security for the impartial administration of justice ; and insur-
ing a proper respect to the constituted authority, as well as a due
obedience to the laws."

The CHAIRMAN proposed the iFealth of Lord Melbourne and
his Majesty's Ministers, which was received with three times
three.

The CHAIRMAN proposed the health, of Lord Brougham,
which was drunk amid the most hearty cheers.
Mr. WORSFOLD proposed the health of the members of the
Corporation present—Messrs. Prescott and George Jennings,
who briefly returned thanks. •

MOVEMENT AT MANCHESTER.

(From the Second Edition of The Sun of last night.)

The people of Manchester have stirred in the cause
of Municipal Reform in good earnest. No sooner was
it known that the Lords were about to strangle the
Bill, than a Petition was instantly set on foot for sig-
natures, and in less than ten hours it was signed by
23,000 persons. If this fact do not speak volumes to
the Lords, as to the tendency of the course they are
now pursuing, we know not what will. When men are
aggrieved, they first petition—then remonstrateand
then—but enough

THE PEOPLE OF MANCHESTER HAVE
NOBLY DONE THEIR DUTY. LET THE
REFORMERS OF ENGLAND FOLLOW
THEIR EXAMPLE, AND THEN THE
LORDS MAY THROW OUT TUE MUNI-
CIPAL REFORM BILL IF THEY DARE.

MANCHESTER, THURSDAY, 12 O'CLOCK.
On the arrival of the intelligence yesterday mor.'ing that the
Lords had voted they should hear evidence against the Cor-
poration Bill, a simultaneous Meeting took place, at which
Thomas Potter, Esq., one of the new magistrates for the
county, and brother to the Hon. Member for Wigan, was.
called to the Chair. It was resolved, that without waiting for
the oformaiity ,of a" public meeting, a petition should be pre-
pared,,fn7 simture next morning, and the following placard
inee,idiately :
‘, ALARMING CRISIS !
`enday night the House of Lords agreed by a majority of
70 that titg would hear Evidence against the English Municipal
Corne;ation Bill. This is in effect to declare that they will defoat,
b-r_tiehy, a Measure demanded by the People, and carried by a great
Majority through the Commons. It is in effect to declare that the
Management of,Corporations shall be left in the hands of the self-
elected and corrupt, the enemies of all Reform, and the slaves of
the Corruptionists, instead of being placed, as it ought to be, in the
hands of the HOUSEHOLDERS of ENGLAND.

" Inhabitants of Manchester and its Vicinity !—Will you permit
vourselves to be thus deprived of the Fruits of the Reform Bill ?
Will you permit this great and important Measure of Improvement,
demanded by Twenty Millions of People, to be defeated by One
Hundred and Fifty Members of the Upper House? YOU WILL
NOT. Be prepared then to Petition that the Bill be passed
WITHOUT MUTILATION and WITHOUT DELAY.
" A PETITION to this effect, prepared at a 111e,tmg spon-
taneously hold this Morning, will be ready for SIGNATURE
TO-MORROW (Thursday) MORNING. LOSE NO TIME IN
ATTACHING YOUR NAMES TO IT, for THERE IS NO TIME TO
BE LOST, as it is desirable that the Petition be sent off IMME-
DIATELY. Flock to the places of signature EARLY TO-
MORROW.MORNING, and show, by your promptness, that
THE PEOPLE of ENGLAND are not tamely to be deprived of
JUSTICE and REFORM.
" THOMAS POTTER, Chairman.
" Manchester, Aug: 5, 1335."
This morning the sheets were placed for signatures in vari-
ous places in the4ovvn, and the inhabitants literally flocked to
sign them. Many thousand names must have already been
signed, for at Mr: ,Prentice's office alone. 700 signatures have
been obtain-Oil,. I have stood and watched the .progress, and
though knolving the state of public feeling, I have been sur-
prised to pee that the greater number of persons who come to
sign are of the middle and upper classes, many of the lower
classes declaring that they will not pay the Lords the compli-
ment of petitionin them. It is probable, however, that 15,000
signatures will be obtained in the course of the day, the ex-
citement being alinost equal to that which prevailed when the
people crowded to petition the Commons to stop the supplies
when the Reform Bill was in danger.
The following extract from the Manchester Times of last
Saturday, states truly the questions which are now common in
consequence of the Lords obstructing all reform :
" Already the people begin to ask ' should not we do some-
thing?' The decision of the Lords to hear counsel against
the Corporation Bill is regarded as ;indicative of an intention
to injure it in detail ; and already folks are beginning to buckle
on their armour. Will the Lords be insane enough to en-
counter the conflict ? Lord Melbourne spiritedly told them
that the power, and dignity, and authority of no body of
men, either in these or in any other times, was ever so settled ,
and secured as to enable them with impunity to trifle with popu-
lar opinion.' HiS. Lordship might have added, with perfect
truth, that strange. questions begin to be agitated ; that people
begin to ask whether there are any advantages derived from an
upper house teicounterbalance its obstruction of every effec-
tive reform ; atul that many even ^o so far as to express doubts
of the excellency of that constitution which gives to preroga-
tive a veto upon any law which the people's representatives
deem necessep,Jor national happiness, and which the people
themselves derOnd. These are questions which their Lord-
ships, if hereditary 'w,aellirn wet anything, viroil not etOite.
Aiready everybody askS, What is the use of parsons who do
preach ?' It would be dangerous to thk existing order of
things if the question were to become as universal, What is
the use of a branch of the legislature which obstructs all good
legislation?' Still more dangerous would it be to the existing
order of things if another question should become general,
Why should one man, fenced around by all manner of evil
influences, have the power of defeating any measure unequivo-
cally demanded by the people ?' Yet the Lords are forcing
questions like these upon the country. The people are satis-
fied with a Government of King, Lords, and Commons, when
the former branch of the legislature acts only as gentle checks
to the exercise of popular legislation ; but if ever they become
positive obstructions—if they become a barrier against the
enactment of laws which justice imperatively demands, no man
can doubt that the people, the source of all legitimate power,
will begin to question the' wisdom of an arrangement which
excludes them from all share in the management of their own
concerns. We earnestly entreat their Lordships to think of
these things, if they would preserve their own authority in the
state."

MANCHESTER, THURSDAY NIGHT, 8 &CLOCK.
The Petition to the House of Lords, praying it to pass the
Corporation Bill without mutilation and without delay, has
received, since eight o'clock this morning, the extraordinary
number of 22,83° signatures. This is unparalleled in the
history of petitioning, except on the occasion when about the
same number of names were affixed to the Petition praying
the Commons to stop the Supplies, at the time the Reform
Bill was in danger. It is impossible to describe the deter-
mined spirit which prevails. If possible, the excitement ex-
ceeds that which prevailed when the Reform Bill was rejected
by the Lords. It proves that the quietude of the people hi-
therto has arisen from confidence that their Representatives
would do their duty ; and that when the time for the display of
THEIR spirit comes, they are as ready as ever to do their duty.

" TO THE RIGHT HONOURABLE THE LORDS SPIRITUAL
AND TEMPORAL OF THE UNITED KINGDOM OF
GREAT BRITAIN AND IRELAND, IN PARLIAMENT
ASSEMBLED.
" THE PETITION OF THE UNDERSIGNED INHABITANTS
OF MANCHESTER AND ITS VICINITY,
" Humbly Showeth,—That your petitioners, participating in the
feeling of approbation which pervades with respect to the Bill for
Corporation Reform, the immediate necessity for which has been
clearly shown by the Report of the Corporation Commissioners,
and earnestly desirous that no time should be lost in the completion
of that important measure, have learned with concern and appre-
hension that its progress is likely to be impeded in your Right Ho-
nourable House, by the resolution which has been taken to receive
further evidence on the subject.

" Your petitioners entreat your Right Hon. House to consider,
that the attention of the British people is directed, with eager
anxiety, to the accomplishment of the great national improvement
which they believe this Bill will produce; and that to disappoint their
reasonable expectations, by delaying or mutilating, or, above all, by
attempting to defeat this measure of practical Reform, would be to
excite, not alarm only, but the utmost indignation and resentment
throughout the empire.
" Your Petitioners, therefore, most earnestly entreat your Lord-
ships,ethat you will not suffer the peace of the country to be endan-
gered, or its prosperity to be hazarded, by permitting unnecessary
delay in the passing of the Bill, or by consenting to any alteration
which may impair its efficiency.
" And your Petitioners, &c."
A deputation, with the above Petition, is now on its way to Lon-
don, signed by about 23,000 persons in less than ten hours.
August 6th, 1835:

A deputation has just arrived from Manchester with
the above petition, consisting of Thomas Potter, Esq.,
George Hadfield, Esq., and Peter Eekersley, Esq.
Lord Melbourne will present the petition on the
most favourable opportunity.

SALmoN.—We last week gave a statement of the
quantity of salmon shipped for London from the Tay in the
course of the previous month, and we have this week procured
from an authentic sburce, the quantity imported there from
various parts of Scotland for one week, viz.--from the 14th to
the 21st inst. inclusive, which at once exhibits a comparative
view of the products of the different Scottish rivers, and the
extraordinary demand for that species of fish in the metropo-
litan market, considering that even these bear a comparatively
small proportion to the immense quantities supplied by Ire-
land : Boxes.
Aberdeen, from the Dee and the Don, &c. 1,098
Montrose, from North and South Esk 655
Berwick, from the Tweed, &c
Dundee, from the Tay and its tributaries
From the Spey
Fortrose, from rivers in Inverness, Ross, and Cro-
marty
There is also an additional item, " Aberdeen and
Spey," likely shipped at Aberdeen, but pro-
duced jointly from the Dee, Don, and Spey, &c. 297

4,301
Each bor. averaging of fishes l6
Gives in all
Weight, 231 tons, 6 cwt.
—Perth Courier.

SOMNABULISM.—On Tuesday morning, at three
o'clock, a dreadful accident happened to Mr. George Tippett,
a master builder, residing in Russell-street, Bermondsey.
It appeared that he had retired to bed in the front room second
floor at his usual hour the preceding night, and at the hour
above-mentioned got out in his sleep, threvi up the window,
and jumped-out. He was observed by a policeman of the R
division, who immediately ran to his assistance, and found
him lying on the pavement bleeding profusely from the nose
and mouth. The unfortunate gentleman has received serious
injury ; but he is alive, and since the accident has been heard
to say that he got up in a dream to follow some perms whom
be imagiued was robbing the proroikes.

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

HOUSE OF LORDS, Aucusr 6.

(Concluded from The Sun of yesterday, and which was given in our
Second Edition last night. )
EAST RETFORD.

Mr. -Newton examined.—ls Town Clerk of East Retford.
The appointment is during pleasure ; the salary is twenty gui-
neas, but the office has fees, and has other incidental pro-
fessional advantages. The governing body consists of two
bailiffs and twelve aldermen, besides a Lord High Steward,
and a " learned " Steward, or Recorder. The present re-
corder is Mr. Hilliard. The senior bailiff is elected an-
nually by the aldermen from their own body. For junior
bailiff the aldermen nominate two burgesses, from whom the
burgesses at large elect one. There are 200 burgess;';':of
whom about 100 are resident. The Aldermen are elected by
the burgesses from two burgesses nominated by the aldermen.
. The right of freedom is acquired by birth, servitude, and re-
demPtion. The magistrates of the borough are the recorder
and the bailiffs. The affairs of the Corporation are transacted
in a fair and honest manner. Never heard of any instance to
the contrary. The mode in which justice is administered is
satisfactory to the inhabitants at large. Never heard any
complaint on the part of the majority of the respectable per-
sons of property and station. Heard some complaints before
the Commissioners. There is not a more orderly, peaceable,
and quiet town in the kingdom. In point of practice the admi-
nistration Of justice is efficient, and satisfactory to the people.
Was at East Retford when the Commissioners came, they were
Messrs. Cockburn and Rushton. The Report at page 1862,
that the functions of the bailiffs aro conjoint, and that they
never act except in the presence of and co-operation of each
other—this is not true. The bailiffs can do every act sepa-
rately which a county magistrate could 12, It was not true
that in 1796 a batch of freemen were made ih anticipatioksof
an election. Attended the whole of the public meetings of the
Commissioners, and there was no evidence given nor any
foundation for such a statement. _ _ _

By the Duke of CUMBERLAND—The whole of the
esi-
dence was taken upon oath.
By Sir C. WETHERELL—The statement that the bailiffs can
only act as magistrates conjointly is untrue. There was a
statement of the kind made before the Commissioners, but I
contradicted it. The town was visited by the Charity Com-
missioners previous to my being appointed Town Clerk. The
statement in the Municipal Report, that there was no evidence
of the Charity funds having been applied without reference to
party feeling is not true, as their evidence was tendered
to the Commissioners except as respected the Greek
Grammar School; to which the Commissioners have alhded in
complimentary terns. The Report says that the mode of ac-
quiring freedom by apprenticeship has had the effect of exclu-
ding the members of the liberal professions, and the more
opulent tradesmen from the Corporation. That is an untrue
statement, as there is also freedom acquired by birth and re-
demption. There are members of the liberal professions among
the Aldermen. The inhabitants and the Corporation would
not object to any extension of their Charter, which would in-
crease the elective body, and add to the respectability, charac-
ter, and stability of the Corporation. If it was not for the
inquiry into the Corporations, there would have been an addi-
tional number of the freemen by redemption made.-. There was
no evidenCe tendered to warrant the statement in the Report.
that bribery and corruption still prevail in last Retford. There
is a statement in the Report that an Alderman told the Com-
missioners he had obtained a situation under Government, with
a retiring pension of 2001. a year, through the influence of the
Duke of Newcastle, from having always voted for his Lord-
ships' nominee. There is no foundation for such a statement.
The Alderman stated in my presence that he had got the
situation through the influence of Lord Granville, and that on
two occasions he had opposed the Duke's nominee. The
statement is the reverse of fact on this political point.
By Lord BROUGHAM—It is a political point, be-
cause it alleges that the Duke of Newcastle had in-
fluence with the Corporation, which is untrue.
By Mr. KNIGHT.--In the Report it was said another alderman
had a pension, but of a smaller amount. That referred to Alder-
man Cotton he believed ; but he had been dead four years before
the Commissioners were in East Retfcrd. Another part of the
Report said the Junior Bailiff (as stated by a respectable solici.
tor) had shewn on some occasions a great intimacy with the pri-
soner before him, and took pains to show him that he was
doing an unpleasant duty, and that on one occasion he was
found fighting and rolling on the floor. That referred to Mr.
Bigsby, as the solicitor, and to Mr. Slanoy as the Junior
Bailiff—it referred to 1832. Bigsby was a Whig—a ixtederate
Reformer.

Lord LYNDHURST—Are all moderate Reformers, in
your opinion, Whigs ?—A. Ido not know. Bigsby has always
supported those in the Reform interest.
By Mr. KNIGHT.-Slaney is at present very ill, and un-
able to leave the house. When the statement was made to
the Commissioners, Slaney got up and said it was false.
Ile is a master shoemaker and a respectable man, and is not
at all likely to be given to fighting, and in a future part of
Bigsby's Evidence, he said he was a respectable man, and was
sorry to say any thing against him. The Magistrates of the
borough regularly held Quarter Sessimis; anything to the con-
trary in the Report was false. Did not believe that any Evi-
.itence was given of the administration of the Corporation Re-
venues being unsatis`..actory, and he was present at all the pol.)
lie sittings. The private property of the Corporation arose
from private grants—they had no grant from the Crown ex-
cept that of the Grammar School. The expenditure of the
borough was all upon the public account except 4 dinners a year,
which they had, and of two of which the burgesses partook, and
the other two were always attended by the respectable inhabi-
tants not burgesses. The School lands were not known to be pri-
vate lands till the Charity CothmrsiToners made inquiry abonl.,
them, and there was a suit now pending at their instance upon
the subject. He believed the produce of the Corporation
property was about 1,2001. per annum. The Municipal Com-
missioners did enquire particularly into the Grammar School
—why, he did not know, as it was peculiarly under thecare of
the •Charity Commissioners.
By Lord BROUGHAM—Was present when Alderman
Parker was examined, and heard him say that he had a place.
He (the Alderman) had always voted, he believed, for Mr.
Crompton, but he did not know that before, as in the Alder-
man's time the Duke of Newcastle had only proposed
one candidate. He had known the borough for ten years,
but knew nothing of it before that. lleard Mr. Vernon ex-
amined. He said something respecting another gentleman
having got a place through a former Duke of Newcastle,
which place was worth 2001. On that account when the gen-
tleman, whose name is Cutton, was canvassed, he mentioned
his obligation to the Duke of Newcastle as a reason why be
could not vote in opposition to his wishes. Mr. Bigsby was
partner with Mr. Alec, the town-clerk, for seven or eight
years. He is a moderate reformer, and always takes part on
that side. He is now at Retford, where he has been seven or
eight years. He is a highly respectable man. I heard him
give the account of the scuffle and rolling on the floor. I have
no hesitation in believing it after he stated it. It was denied.
The Marquis of Salisbury was here about to put a ques-
tion, to which Lord Brougham objected.
Mr. KNIGHT—It is only the verbal answer, my Lord.

Lord BRO UG HAM-You can't hear it. -
The Marquis of SALISBURY having consulted Lord
LYNDHURST for a moment, said he could not see why he should
not be allowed to put his question.
Lord BROUGHAM—You cannot hear in evidence what
another person has said behind the back of the party sought
to be charged. It is quite clear that what Mr. Bigsby told
this witness is no evidence against the Commissioners. If any
man in the House accustomed to the rules of evidence has a
doubt about it, I will waive my objection.
The Marquis of SALISBURY—If the Noble and Learned
Lord keeps me so strictly to the rules of evidence, I sincerely
hope he will observe them himself.—( Hear.)
Lord BROUGHAM—I defy any man to produce a single
instance in which I have asked an illegal question. I desire
to know what one it was? I have not interfered with the il-

legal questions put by counsel ; but I will answer for it that
will take the whole of those questions, and show that three
out of four of them are altogether illegal. But I have not ob-
jected to them, because I am unwilling to interrupt the course
of this inquiry. But when questions interfere with gentlemen
who are absent, and impugn their conduct in taking down or
not taking down evidence which it was their duty to do, those
questions at least must be put according to the rules of evi-
dence.—( Hear. )
A NOBLE LORD—I don't think it was not so.
Lord BROUGHAM—The evidence is what was said to
the witness in the absence of the Commissioners.

Lord LYNDHURST thought the question was not upon a
charge against the Commissioners, but as to the correctness of
the Report. If Mr. Bigsby stated one thing in Court at one
time, and told a different story at another time out of Court,
we ought to know that.
Lord BROUGHAM—That is a different case. But it
would be a dangerous thing to be charging a man here who is
not defended.

Lord LYNDHURST—In fact we have no right to charge
the Commissioners without having them present. —( Hear, hear,
from Lord Brougham.) But the question put by the Noble
Lord was to shew that Mr. Bigsby gave a different account t
that given before the Commiss,oner.
Lord BROUGHAM—Oh, that is quite a different case to
what I understood.

The question was then put, and the witness said that Mr.
Bigsby replied that the impression on his mind was tha
what he stated was correct. Believed that the Commis.

sioners heard Mr. Slaney say that it was false. Mr.
Slaney did not • offer to be examined as a witness, and
was not refused. The Commissioners did not desire
to examine him. The Recorder had not attended

the Sessions for the last four or five years. The sitting ma-
gistrates were the two bailiffs. The senior bailiff is a butcher,
the other. is a solicitor. Slaney is a shoemaker. The books
and papers were before the Commissioners. There are men

of different political opinions in the Corporation. The Con-
servative party have the ascendancy at present, and have had
it for the last three or four years. The influence of parties
varies occasionally. _ _

By Lord RAbNOR—The proportion at present is nine
Conservative, and four of the other party.
By Mr. KNIGHT—The Commissioners refused to deliver up
the books till the inquiry had terminated.
Benjamin Scott—( Examined by Mr. KNIGHT)—I am a
constable of East Retford. I apprehended one Grimes when
Mr. Slaney was junior bailiff. The prisoner struck me and
abused me. He knocked me down. I took him at a public-
house, and brought him to Mee and Bigsby's office. Grimes
was committed to gaol. Mr. Slaney did not quarrel with the
prisoner. He conducted himself like the other magistrates.
By Lord BR OUG HA M—Mr. Bigsby was present. The
public-house is half a mile from the office. Mr. Bigsby was
not at the public-house.
By Lord L YND HURST—There was no struggle or shuffle
between Slaney and the prisoner. I never arrested Grimes
• before_

-Robert Wattriore—(Esarnined by Mr. KNIGHT)—I an als ) a

constable of East Retford. I accompanied the last witness
and Grimes to Mee and Bigsby's office. Mr. Slaney was sit-
ting there, and ordered him to be taken to gaol. I saw no
scuffle or striking between the prisoner and Mr. Slaney. Mr.
Slaney conducted himself like a gentleman all through.
Michael Browne—( Examined by Mr. KNIGHT)—I am a shoe.
maker of East Retford, and assisted the last witness to firing
Grimes to the town-office. Mr. Slaney conducted himself
throughout as a magistrate and a gentleman.
Mr. KNIGII r said he had other witnesses to the same effect,
but thought it unnecessary to call them.
BOSTON.

Mr. Kenrick, Town Clerk, held his appointment during
good behaviour, which was understood to be for life.
Lord BROUGHAM said, as 3 o'clock had now arrived, it
was very desirable that their Lordships should know whit
course was intended to be taken with respect to their proceed-
ings. He had had some communication with Sir C. Wetherell,
in the morning, and he had suggested, as there was a want of-
evidence to occupy the House, supposing them to adjourn from
4 to 6 o'clock as usual, more than to 8 or 9 o'clock, that it
would be better to go on till seven or half-past seven, without
adjourning, and so save time. It would surely be much better
to do so, than to come back and sit .for only two hours.
The Marquis of SALISBURY said the time had almo,st
come for inquirinc, the effect of the evidence. It had proved
to his mind many inaccuracies, to call them by the mildest
term.--(" Order, order.")
Lord LYNDHURST_ said the present was not the time
when such observations were in order. He had spoken with
the gentlemen conducting the case, and he was informed thit
there were witnesses enough in town to occupy the House for
the uptal time—to 11 or 12 o'clock.
Lord' BROUGHAM.—Oh, very well, go on.—We shall
rise at four as usual.
Lord LYNDHURST said he felt bound to go on with the
proceedings as quickly as possible ; however inconvenient or
harassing it might be for counsel, the House was pledged to
do so.

Lord BROUGHAM—Don't let your Lordships for a mo-
ment suppose that I am for delay ; God knows, I am quite of
the other way of thinking—all I wanted to do was to save your
Lordships from losing the two hours, and coming here again
only to hear two hours' evidence.—(Hear, hear.)
Examination of Mr. Kenrick resumed.—The emoluments of
his office were generally from 6001. to 7001. a-year.
Mr. KNIGHT-It may be convenient for me to state to your
Lordships, that we have plenty of witnesses in town, and con-
stantly arriving. I may state that we have now in town and on the
road more evidence than will last a month, even at a quicker
rate than we have yet gone.
Lord BROUGHAM—Then we had better go on. lam
ready to sit till three o'clock in the morning. Had we not
better go on till half-past eight or nine o'clock?—(No, no.)
You would save more time than by adjourning. _ _ _

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The Marquis of LONDONDERRY—If the Noble and
Learned Lord•h.ls any particular engagement, perhaps—
Lord BROUGHAM-1 can assure the Noble Marquis that

I am left to'tay olvn resources to-night, and that I know of
nothing better to do thin to take a very slight dinner after
ten or eleven o'clock, as your Lordships may think proper to
adjourn.
K enrick's examination resumed.----The Corporation consisted
of a Mayor, Aldermen, Recorder, (Earl Brownlow), Deputy
Recorder ( Sergeant Goulburn), and 18 Common Councilmen ;
freedom is obtained by servitude, and birth-right. Those who
are free by servitude form the majority. There are about 450
freemen altogether. Very few are non-resident. The Ma-
gistrates are the Recorder, Deputy Recorder, Mayor, pro. tem. ,
and four Aldermen. An act of James I. gives all who have
passed the Mayor's chair a right to be Justices. The Aldermen
are taken from the principal men in the town,in point of property,
capability, and station. They administer justice fairly. The
town is generally orderly. The police is similar to the me-
tropolitan force. Part of the expense is paid by the Corpora-
tion, and part by the inhabitants. There are eightinen and
eight supernumeraries, besides superintendents. The amount
of the corporate revenue is about 6,0001. per annum. The
sum of 1,6461. 16s. 4d. was paid to Henry the Eighth, for
the coporate property. More than 50,000/.. have been laid out
in the improvement of the markets and other public works.
There are no dinners. _ _ _

Lord LYNDII U It ST-50,000/. for public works and no
dinner ?

Witness—That is the case, though it is not the uni-
rersal practice. The living of St. Botolph is in the patronage of
the Corporation. The vicarage house belongs to it. There
is both a vicar and a lecturer. The Corporation will have
the appointment to the Chapel of Ease in about three years.
It was erected by subscription, and the subscribers claimed the
appointment for fifteen years. The Corporation have endoWe,;
the Chapel now with 1001. a-year. They appoint the gaol
chaplain and schoolmaster. There is a school for the sons of
freemen only, which is managed by trustees. The founders have
made no provision for the extinction of freemen. The Cor-
poration arc lords of the manor. Their tenants have fre-
quently voted in opposition to their politics. I cannot pre-
tend to say that sometimes one party predominates, and
sometimes another, but there has been a great in-
crease of what are called men of liberal principles latterly.
The Municipal Commissioners at Boston were Messrs. Long
and Buckle. The latter was the more prominent. Thatfree-
men were admitted at the eve of an election, and their fees
paid for them by the ruling body, was not true. Does not
know what individual members of the Corporation might do ;
but never knew an instance of any individual paying money.
Lord LYNDHURST—Who are the present Members for
Boston ?—Major Browning and Mr. Wilks.
Of what politics is Mr. Wilks—is he a Whig?—Something
more than a Whig.—(A laugh.)
Lord RADNOR—There was a contest at the last election.
The third candidate was Major Handley': Mr. Browning was
the Corporation candidate.
By Mr. KNIGHT—SOMe officers of the Corporation voted
against the Corporation candidate and still retained their situa-
tions. It was not true as stated in the Report that the dis-
tribution of charity to the poor was regulated by party feeling.
Never knew an instance of an object of charity being excluded
by reason of political opinions. Did not hear such a fact
proved before the Commissioners.
By Lord BROUG HAM—Upon my word and honour I
can't say whether or not the Corporation appointed Beadsmen
from their political opinions being the same as those of the
Corporation.
By Mr. KNIGHT—I never knew of these appointments being
being made because they were supporters of the Corporation.
By Lord LYNDHUP.ST—Ii that statement had been
made by any member of the Corporation I must have heard of
it. I can't say whether political opinions weighed with the
Corporation in their selection of individuals.
By Mr. KNIGIIT—I know nothing of a statement made in
the Report relative to assistance having been given from the
Poor Freemen's Fund to a master tailor in good business,
because he was a zealous supporter of the Corporation.
I have no recollection of such a loan having been
made. The alleged dispute about two town-clerks stated in
the Report was a private arrangement entered into between the
corning-in and retiring town-clerk. The number of houses
rated at and above 10/. in Boston, is 962 ; the number under
101. is 1,166. The higher class contribute two-thirds of the
rate, and the other the remaining third.
By Lord BROUG HAM—I should say that the lower class
of inhabitant householders arc more apt to change their dwell-
ings, than the higher. I beg to correct a statement I made
relative to the lower class of houses—the number of those
rated under 10/., is 2,766.

Bv the Earl of R ADNOR—Papers were handed pp, from
which the Commissioners made their examination. These were
generally handed up by the enemies of the Corporation. I
should say there were about thirty such persons present.
Among them were three or four substantial tradesmen. Ido
not mean to say that these persons only were opposed to the
Corporation ; many very respectable tradesmen are opposed to
them. The Corporation is popular among the well-thinking
people of the town, but I don't mean to say that those only
who are friendly to the Corporation are well-thinking people.
By the Marquis of LONDONDERRY—I was under exa-
mination several days, but no part of my evidence is given in
the Commissioners' Report.
Mr. KNIGHT—The Commissioners have merely sent a sum-
mary of the ei.idence. Nobody knows, not even themselves,
what the evidence really was.
By Mr. KNIGHT—I applied the words well-thinking in a
different sense ; I meant the respectable classes.
It being now four o'clock, the further examination of wit-
nesses was adjourned to six o'clock.
On the motion of Lord BROUGHAM the Certiorari Rill
was read a third time.
Some amendments were proposed by the Duktiof RICH-
MOND, and the debate was adjourned.

NEWSPAPERS.
Lord BROUGHAM presented a petition frcitu certain
publishers against the Stamp Duties on Newspapert.
Malpas's Divorce Bill was read a third time.
The Manufactories in Ireland Regulation Bill went through
Committee.
The House then adjourned during pleasure at twenty mi-
nutes past four o'clock.

The VICE-CHANCELLOR took his seat before the table at a
few minutes past Six.
Counsel were then called in, and the examination of wit-
nesses proceeded.