The Sun.
London, England, 1835-07-16 00:00:00

THE SUN, LONDON, TlititSDAY, SULV 16, 1835.

talked of the election of an Alderman as a mere " holi-
day" affair ! A man who is not respectable, would
have been compelled to call it a serious matter of busi-
ness, which could not be too discreetly or honestly
conducted, inasmuch as the public interests are in-
timately concerned in it. But respectability has
many privileges, and can take a world of liberties
with the community. Even dullness and common-
place are sacred, provided they fall from the lips of a
respectable blockhead ; and we may say the same of
calumny and falsehood, which are vices only when the
liar and slanderer is unable to show a patent of respec-
tability. Mr. BIGNOLD'S definition of bribery will,
we doubt not, be the theme of general admiration at
Yarmouth and Ipswich. The " old and faithful "
clerk will swear by it. DASENT will vouch for its
surpassing justice. And will not Messrs. SEWELL
and BLAKE, of Norwich—those respectable indivi-
duals, whose astonishing private wealth and public
worth threw Lord STORMONT into such convulsions
of admiration the other night—say one little word in
its praise ? Assuredly they will ; nor would it sur-
prise us, were BILLY HOLMES himself publicly to
declare, that of all the illustrious men he had ever met
with, none was ever endued with such respectable,
statesmanlike notions on the subject of bribery and
corruption, as Mr. BIGNOLD. Of course, he will not
hesitate an instant in making the acquaintance of such
a sage and patriot.

Mr. WILLIAM TIGHE HAMILTON, barrister-at-
law, and one of the Commissioners appointed to in-
quire into the state of religious and other instruction in
Ireland, has just published an Abstract of the First
Report made under the Commission, which is worthy
of especial attention during the present posture of our
domestic affairs. This document, which is arranged
with care, and sold at a price which places'it within
the reach of the less wealthy class of book-purchasers,
will explain at a glance the real cause of the late
mountebank exhibitions at Exeter-Hall. Consider-
able surprise has been expressed as to how Irish Par-
sons could reconcile with their ideas of a proper dis-
charge of pastoral functions, an absence from their
parishes on a mountebank mission in London.
The difficulty will disappear by a momentary re-
ference to this Abstract of the Commissioners' Re-
port. Clergymen whose spiritual duties are confined
to devouring the tithes of an alien flock may in-
dulge in an occasional visit to the metropolis, or to
any other quarter of the world they choose, without
suffering from any painful twitches of conscience.
Now there are in Ireland no fewer than forty-one bene-
fices, in which there does not exist a single Protestant,
ninety-nine in which the Protestant population,
male and female, does not exceed twenty individuals ;
one hundred and twenty-four in which the Pro-
testants do not exceed fifty ; and one hundred
and sixty in which the Protestants do not ex-
ceed one hundred souls I A Church so rich in
sinecures is surely worth fighting for, at a time when
retrenchment, and reform have become the order of
the day ; and when there is hardly an asylum left
for the thick-headed younger branches of the Aris-
tocracy. Here we have no fewer than forty-one
shepherds, with not so much as a single ewe-lamb to
bleat after them, all equipped for a mission to Eng-
land ; for it ought not to be forgotten, that an Irish
Protestant parson confines all his labours in the
Lord's vineyard to a soil where he knows it will be
productive. If an Irish Parson resolves upon putting
his light in a candlestick, he starts for Exeter Hall ;
for he has too much contempt for the under-
standing of the idolaters over whom the Bishop
has appointed him spiritual overseer, to waste
any of his eloquence in attempting to convince them of
their errors. The Apostles followed 'a different course,
and so likewise did the Missionaries of that Church
from whose communion the Rev. MORTIMER O'SUL-
LIVAN found it his interest to separate himself, and
against whose doctrines he now inveighs with such
fanatical rancour, They laboured for the conversion
of unbelievers ; devoted their lives to the instruction
and edification of those committed to their pastoral
charge ; and, when assailed by the most violent perse-
cutions, continued to treat them as their children.
Contrast this conduct with that of the Protestant
Clergy in Ireland ; and, in particular, contrast
the fruits of their respective missions. The Clergy
of the Irish Protestant Church have for upwards
of two centuries devoured a tenth of the produc-
tive industry of the cultivated land, besides being
actually possessed of nearly one-sixteenth of the
soil of the whole kingdom. They have, moreover,
been armed with the whole power and influence of the
Government. The moral influence of rank and
fashion, and the political considerations derived from
the exercise of social rights were entirely in their fa-
vour. To be a Catholic, was to be a moral and po-
litical outcast. Independent of the pains and penal-
ties avoided by a renunciation of the Catholic religion,
the more ambitious had honours held out to
them, and the chances of official situations for their
sons, and matrimonial alliances for their daughters.
The very language of the people was prescribed, and
a standing army was appointed to play the part of
bottle-holders to the Reverend Champions of a Re-
formed Christian Church. And what has been the
blessed fruits of all this national anxiety for the con-
version of the Irish people ? The answer will be
found in the Abstract of the Report now before us—
forty-one benefices without a single Protestant I The
whole population of Ireland in 1834 was 7,943,940,
of which 6,427,712 professed the Catholic religion,
and only 852,064 were members of the Established
Church ! Here is surely work enough for the eloquent
traducers of Popery—a sufficiency to shew the zeal
with which their predecessors applied themselves to the
eradication of a faith which they affected to believe inimi•
cal to the principles of civil and religious liberty. Well
may Ireland laugh at the infatuation of the people of
this country, who can see nothing ridiculous in a cru-
sade against the Catholic faith.in Exeter Hall! In
Ireland the people may be apt to think that the fittest
auditors for lectures on the errors of Popery are those
who profess that creed. So, however, think not the
sages and saints of the British metropolis. They can-
not comprehend how a homily intended to frighten old
women here with the horrors of the confessional—hor-
rors which, by the way, are no contemptible proof of
the peculiar powers of an Irish Parson's imagination
—can fail to work the instant conversion of O'CON..
NELL, and the " seven millions," who acknowledge
the spiritual supremacy of the Holy See.
It is time that the sober-minded people of England
should be made acquainted with the real state of the
question now at issue between the Irish Parsons and
the British Government ; for in reality it is the Go-
vernment and not the Catholics of Ireland that is the
object of all these Protestant meetings. What, then,
has the Government done to provoke all this fanatical
hostility ? The answer involves the highest praise
that has ever been claimed by a British Administration
—it has resolved to extend ample and impartial justice
to the Irish people, without regard to sect or party.
Heavens ! What a noble boon this must appear to a
nation s 9 long sacrificed to the hypocrisy, the cupidity,
and the sectarian hatred of a handful of bigots who,
had they possessed one grain of Christian charity,
might have rendered Ireland one of the most
Protestant countries in Europe. But they never
really sought .thC conversion of the Catholics, be-

cause such a conversion would have placed the
whole of the Irish people on a political equality
with themselves. They railed against and denounced
the Catholic creed whenever they dreaded that
any right was to be conceded to the Catholic people ;
but the instant that all apprehension of this sort was
removed, they suffered the errors of Popery to be dif-
fused without scruple, among the great bulk of the po-
pulation. This was the case when PITT was about to
grant concessions to the Irish Catholics. It was the
case in 1829, when the Catholic Emancipation Bill
was passed ; and it is the case now, because the Irish
Church Bill, and the Irish Corporation Reform Bill, are
intended to extend further relief to the Catholic popula-
tion. Religion has nothing in the world to do with the
question : and were the Government to take the
Orangemen, and the Tithe-hunting Parsons once more
to its bosom, Father Dens' s Theology might be conned
over in every cabin in the sister kingdom without calling
forth a single expression of dissent from the Rev.
MORTIMER O'SULLIVAN, or his mountebank col-
league. If Papists would continue to pay tithes with-
out troubling the House of Commons on the subject,
the Irish Parsons would never think of troubling their
heads about Popery, or its errors and immoralities.
But the instant the Irish Catholic remonstrates against
the injustice of supporting a Church from whose dog-
mas he concientiously dissents, the Parson is sure
to discover that he is steeped to the lips in
ignorance and error : that his soul is covered with a
moral leprosy ; and that his creed ought to disqualify
him from the enjoyment of the natural birthright of a
British subject—the right of political irresponsibility
for religious opinions.
With disgust and indignation the really religious
people of England have learned, that at the late dis-
graceful exhibitions at Exeter Hall, Roman Catholics
were refused the right of replying to the calumnies that
were heaped upon their creed, because they did not
come armed with a written warrant under the hands
and seals of the Catholic Prelates of Ireland.
While the traducers of the Catholics were al-
lowed, without any authority whatever, to deride,
villify, and abuse the Catholic Creed, its professors
were denied the ordinary privilege of defending it.
The Rev. Messrs. O'SULLIVAN and M'GHEE came
armed with no instrument of the kind required from
Catholics. They had no warrant from the Protestant
Prelates of either England or Ireland—and we will
pledge our reputation for candour, that there arc not
three members of the Right Rev. Bench in either
country, who will defend their conduct as consistent
with the canons of the Protestant Church. It may be
hardly worth while to notice that when Mr. O'SuL-
vAN, in answer to a demand for his authority to
traduce the Catholics, stated that he appeared at the
instance of the entire Protestant population of Ireland,
he asserted what every person present knew to be an
untruth. The Protestants of Ireland have chosen no
champion to make war on Popery in Exeter Hall ;
and when they do, their choice will not fall on any in-
dividual notorious for having made his religious prin •
ciples subservient to his interests. We should be
sorry to suppose that Mr. O'SuLL vA N's conscience
will dictate to him that there is any resemblance be-
tween such an individual and himself ; but although
we speak generally, •we cannot help thinking that
every impartial Protestant will then see the question
in the same light that we do.
The object of the fanatics being clearly to embar-
rass the Government, it is the duty of every honest
Reformer in the Kingdom, to assist Ministers by
every means in his power. The people must be.
stir themselves, if they are determined to put
down the Tories, who are again at work for the
overthrow of the Whig Cabinet. Religion, as usual,
will be made the tool of their ambition, and the best
feelings of the community will, if possible, be enlisted
in defence of corruption, under pretence of defending
the Altar and the Throne. For our own part, we
rely with confidence on the good sense and intelligence
of the British people, as an antidote against all the
arts of Toryism—as a sure defence against all schemes
for the overthrow of the present Administration.
Church Reform and Corporation Reform are now the
great questions. If the Government is defeated on
these, our appeal will be made to the people. Nothing
is to be hoped from any other quarter.

The whole of the Paris Papers of Tuesday have
been received. The leading Journals are filled with
rumours, observations, suggestions, and comments upon
the escape of the prisoners of St. Pelagie, and the al-
leged regicidal conspiracy: The Courrier Francais, the
Temps, and the Reformateur, severally assert that the
Government was privy to the escape of the prisoners,
and that the Police connived at it. The last-men-
tioned Journals say :—" The police knew that the
prisoners were to escape, and were glad of it, and who
knows that they did not suggest the idea, and secretly
afford the means of execution ? Under any circum-
stances, they were previously informed on the sub-
ject, and not having prevented the occurrence, may be
considered to have aided it. The police have arrested
inoffensive bystanders, and now judicially proceed
against certain persons whom they have thought proper
to accuse of the contrivance. They must keep up to
the end of the farce the charaiter which they adopted
at the commencement, according to all the rules
of the dramatic art." The Temps expresses its
opinion of this extraordinary transaction, in
pretty nearly the same words. It asserts that the
Government " knew not how to get out of the proces
monstre. The public had become indifferent to it.
M. CHEGARAY wearied his noble auditors to death.
Baron PASQUIER acted his part with mediocrity. The
Peerage was fatigued with its task. It would have
been impossible to make that body accept the labour
of the second act, and the trial was only continued
because there was no plausible means of getting rid
of it. At length the means have presented them-
selves. On Sunday twenty-eight of the principal pri-
soners of the Paris section, the political men of the
April conspiracy, escaped or rather walked out of
St. Pelagie. A few only remained, in spite of the
concierge and the poor turnkeys, who will be ren-
dered responsible for this obstinacy. There is but
one difficulty. The prisoners only accept a provisional
liberty—they consent to pass the holydays in the
country, but if such of their fellow-prisoners as have
appeared before the Court of Peers are retained, they
threaten to surrender at the approaching ses-
sion, and oblige the Peers to try them." The
insinuation thrown out in the last sentence
would be thought remarkable, if used in reference to
any Government save that of France. The Journal
de Paris indignantly repels the attempts made to throw
any blame upon either the police or the Government.
According to that demi-official organ the prisoners
only were to blame for abusing the indulgence granted
to them by the Royal President of the " best of
Republics." For our own part we think the pri-
soners were justified in making their escape under all
the circumstances of the case. They had offered to
yield the most willing obedience to the laws ; and when
they saw all law set aside in order that they might be
immolated to glut the revenge of an individual—when
after suffering incarceration without a trial for sixteen
months—they found their imprisonment continued for
a definite period to suit the convenience of an uncon-
stitutional tribunal, they only asserted a national right
in setting their oppressors-at defiance.
The details of tit-elate conspiracy for the assassination

of the KING are given at some length in the Gazette 1
des Tribunaux. They are of little consequence, and
will fail in removing the general impression that the
whole affair was concocted by the Police. Fourteen
persons are, however, in custody on this charge, and
others are being seized, who are reported to have fa-
voured the design of the conspirators.
It is rumoured in Paris that the Foreign Legion has
refused to enter Spain as the auxiliaries of the Spa-
nish Government. If this report be true, the QUEEN'S
Government will have reason to complain of the du-
plicity of LOUIS PHILIPPE, who was well acquainted
with the sentiments of this section of his forces before
making an offer of its services to the Spanish Minister.
The Foreign. Legion is composed of 3,000 men, mostly
political refugees, and all individuals whom the French
Government judged it safest to send out of France.
The Legion was sent to Algiers, in the expectation
that the climate would soon rid the KING of such in-
tractable subjects.
A letter dated July 8, written to Dr. H. by his bro-
ther-in-law, a naval officer at Toulon contains the fol-
lowing passage :
" The cholera will carry off half of the inhabit-
ant.' of Toulon. This is the 19th day, and we have
from 120 to 130 deaths daily ; this is a great many for
a city of 30,000 inhabitants, especially as from 10 to
15,000 have deserted it."

FRENCH FUNDS -Para% JULY 14.
Five per Cents., 109 f. 109 f. 95c. 80c. 85c.
Four per Cents., 99f. 25c.
Three per Cents., 79f. sc. 78f. 95c. 79F.
Bank Actions, 2,040 f. 2,030 f. 2,032 f 50c. 2,037 f. 50c.
Rente de Naples, 97f. 15c. 10c. 97f.
Roman Five per Cents., 10114 101.
Bente d'Espagne, Five per Cents., 39%.
Rente d'Espagne, Three per Cents., 26% 27.
RentePerpet.d'Espagne, Fire per Cent., 41% 42 41%.
Belgian Loan, Five per Cents, 10114.
Portuguese Loan, Three per Cents, 61.
Dutch Two and a Half per Cents., 56f. 60c.
Haytiau Loan, 385 f.
EXCHANGE ON LONDON.
One month, paper, -f. -c. ; money, 25f. 47,6 e.
Three months, paper, 25f. 35c. ; money, 25f. 32!-;, c.
-(ours Authenlivle.
BOURSE, THREE O'CLOCK.-We have had to-day a very
flat market. The 3 per Cents. opened at 79f. 20c., and
afterwards declined to 79f. sc. to 10c. Spanish stock is also
unattended to ; but the prices have kept up.
QUARTER TO FOUR. - Five per Cents., 109 f. -c. ;
Three per Cents., 79f. 10c. ; Five per Cents. Spanish, 414;
Three per Cents., Spanish, 261 ; Cortes, 391 • Coupons, 21;
Guebhards, -; Differes, 17i; New Loan, 44 ; Definitives,
; Certificates, 474 ; Actives, -; Passives, 134; Ducats,
97 15 ; Romans, 101; Belgians, 101 i; Pedros, -; Miguels,
251; Dutch, ; Haytian, 385 ; Brabant Bank, 134.

By the Royal Tar steamer, which arrived in Ports-
mouth yesterday afternoon, we have received letters
and papers from St. Sebastian to the 12th inst. We
give from the Extraordinary Bulletin of St. Sebas-
tian, an account of the landing of the first battalion
of British auxiliaries in that city, as well as the parti-
culars of the joyful reception Which they met with
from the Spanish people. This is the more important
as it proves that the statements put forth by the
Carlists, to the erect that the Spaniards were averse
to British intervention, were gross falsehood. Neither
ought it to be forgotten that St. Sebastian is the last
city in Spain in which the English soldiery could ex-
pect to be well received, after the disgraceful occur-
rences that took place there during the late war. If,
therefore, the joy of the inhabitants of St. Sebastian
was so great at beholding a battalion of British auxi-
liaries, how much stronger must be the feeling in
those parts of Spain in which the English character
stands untarnished by the recollection of the outrages
which the British troops formerly committed upon the
inhabitants of that city. We have to add, parentheti-
cally, that the Royal Tar will return almost instantly
to St. Sebastian with another body of auxiliaries, and
that some hundreds are preparing to sail from Glasgow
and Dublin :

(From the Extraordinary Bulletin of St. Sebastian.)
ST. SEBASTIAN, JULY 11.—Yesterday the Royal Tar
steamer appeared in the offing, and soon anchored in these
roads. It is impossible to describe the enthusiasm of this
city and neighbourhood. Nearly the whole population as-
sembled in the batteries and on the Castle Hill, waving
their handkerchiefs, and cheering the brave Englishmen who
had embraced with so much ardour and enthusiasm the cause
of our Queen. As soon as the vessel had arrived in the bay,
and commenced disembarking the troops, the air resounded
with the Vivas of the people, responded to by the hurras of the
English, mingled with the report of the cannon firing a salute
from the Castle, and the ringing of the church bells. The
Governor, accompanied by all the civil and military authorities
of the city, and followed by the bands belonging to the regi-
ments of St. Fernando and the Urbanos, advanced to meet
Brigadier Chichester and Major Kirby on their landing. At
this moment a new explosion of " Vivas," in honour of the
British officers, took place. The Spanish bands struck up
the national air of " God save the King." The Magistracy
were desirous of doing all possible honour to the English, and,
among other contrivances, actually designed the performance
of a comedy ; but it unluckily fell out that there was too great
a dearth of theatrical talent for such a performance. This,
however, was but a trifling drawback on the general joy, for
every house in the city was illuminated, and even the poorest
of the inhabitants vied with the richest in their testimony of
good will towards the British troops. The band of the L7r-
banos serenaded the officers, who conducted the expedition,
till midnight ; and in the beautiful square in the centre of the
city the music was kept up till a still later hour. Thus ter-
minated a day consecrated to the public manifestation of the
feelings of gratitude entertained by all true and loyal Spa-
niards towards the noble, generous, and brave English nation."

We have received German, Dutch, and Belgian
Papers. The following are extracts :

CARLSRUIIE, JULY 6.—We learn, on unquestionable autho-
rity, that the Committee of the First Chamber has to-day de-
cided unanimously in favour of our accession to the Great
German Commercial Union.

MAYENCE, JULY 8.--Her Royal Highness the Princess of
Beira, accompanied by the three sons of Don Carlos, the
Bishop of Leon, and a suite of forty persons, arrived here yes-
terday from London, by, way of Rotterdam, on board a steam-
boat.

BRUSSELS, JULY 13.—The prices of the funds are now con-
veyed from Brussels to Antwerp by swallows, which perform
the journey in twelve minutes.

THE HAGUE, JULY 13.—1 t is affirmed that the Municipal
Council of Rotterdam has resolved on erecting a general en-
trepot, and has already given orders to draw up plans as
speedily as possible for the erection of one or several build-
ings, as shall be found most suitable to the end proposed.

. .
DUTCH FUNDS_AMSTERDAM, JULY 13.
Money. Bills.
Actual Debt, 214 per Cent. 55% 58!4
A inort Syndic, 4% per cent 94'. 95
Ditto, ditto, 3% per cent 79% 804
Loan (1830) 5 per cent.
Ditto (IF-32 and 1833) 5 per cent.
Commercial Company, 4!::, per cent lOB 168%
New ditto lOll4 102
Exchange on London, One month l2 20.
Two months
SPANISH FUNDS.
Cortes at Amsterdam, 5 per Cent 41% to 4214
Ditto, ditto, 3 per Cent 26% to 2714
Loan, London (1832) 5 per Cent. 36% to 37
Cortes Coupons
Cortes Deferred Debt
Dutch Papers, July 13.
PRUSSIAN FUNDS.—BERLIN, JULY 9.
Bills. Money.
St. Schuld. Sch., 44 per cent. lOl% 100 k,
Prussian English Loan, 1830, 4 per cent 9861 934
Exchange on London, Two months 6 26%
Prussian State Gazette, July 10.
BELGIAN FUNDS.—Thaussns, JULY 14.
Actual Debt, 21,1 per Cent ,
Rothschild's Loan, Five per Cent lOO%
Loan of City, 1332, Four per Cent. 99
Society of Commerce, Four and a Half per Cent ll7
Bank of Belgium, Five per Cent ll3
—Brussels Papers, July 15.
AUSTRIAN FUNDS.—VIENNA, JULY 6.
Five per Cents. illetalliques
Four per Cents.
Bank Shares
—Allgemeine &thing, July 11.

The subjoined letter from a correspondent at Bris-
tol,' states a fact which forcibly illustrates the im-
perfection of the Reform Act, and calls loudly for
the Repeal of that provision which renders the exer-
cise of the elective franchise dependent on the pay-
ment of taxes. It is grievance enough, and more than
enough, that the payment of poor rate should be made

the criterion of the voter's fitness for the enjoyment of a
political privilege ; but this hardship is in some measure
alleviated by the consideration that he has, generally
speaking, a voice in the assembly which imposes
the rate. Very different is his position with respect
to the Assessed Taxes. There he is placed entirely
at the mercy of the tax-gatherer, who has the power of
converting the Reform Act into an engine of oppression.
We do not know whether political motives are at the
bottom of the base transaction alluded to by our Cor-
respondent ; but we have no hesitation in saying, that
the ,man who is capable of acting as this Surveyor has
done, deserves to be instantly dismissed from his situa-
tion. Those who have been surcharged, must either
pay the surcharge or forfeit their elective franchise.
This is the predicament in which they are placed ; and
from which, we apprehend, there is no possibility of
escape, except by the interference of the Commis-
sioners of Taxes, who may send down an order to the ,

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surveyor to withdraw the surcharges which` be has so
unjustifiably made :
" The Surveyor for the Assessed Taxes in this City is IsimilY
at work—serving the householders with surcharges Just' at the
expiration of the time for paying the taxes.
" I have a notice before me for surcharges for nine wit/160
for one quarter of a year, ss. 3d., which was served Tut ,sdaf
afternoon, the 14th, the day being fixed for appeal on the Mon •
day, 16th, one o'clock.
" If the object is to disfranchise the householders, Goveno
ment should be acquainted with it.
" A CITIZEN.
" Bristol, July 15, 1835."

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT•

THIS DAY, THURSDAY, JULY 16.

HO USE OF CO 11M ONS.

The SPEAKER took the Chair at 12 o'clock.
Col. LEITH HAY brought up the Report of the Trinity
Harbour and Dock Committee.
Sir F. TRENCH presented a petition from the shipowners
of Scarborough, against the Bill for erecting a Harbour at
Redcar, and praying that one might be erected at Scarborough.
Mr. HARDY rose for the purpose of stating his hopes that
a work like the 'Wear Harbour would not be abandoned in
consequence of the petition that had been preset,ted.
The SPEAKER said it was not usual at the presentation
of petitions to discuss the merits of any private Bit ts.
Mr. HARDY bowed to the decision of the Chair..
Mr. FLEETWOOD moved that the Select Corn rnittee on
Consular Establishments have leave to sit, notwithstankling the
sitting of the House.—Agreed to.
Mr. TOOKE moved that a Select Committee be ap pointed
on the Truro Improvement Bill, to examine the Jour nale :
the House of Lords.—Agreed to.
Mr. H. HUGHES brought in a Bill for improving the
road from Oxford to —.—Read a first time.
Mr. FRE SHFIELD said it would be very convenicet
know if the Abolition of Imprisonment for Debt Bill Ironic'
come on that morning. He hoped the House would not 13e
taken by surprise upon that important measure.
Mr. E WART could only say that it stood next on the
Orders of the Day.
Mr. HAWES had spoken on the subject to the Attorney'
General, who (as we understood) had assured him that there
was no chance of its coming on that day.
WEIGHTS AND MEASURES.
The House then went into Committee on the Weights and
Measures Bill, Mr. PRIME in the Chair.
Clauses 1,2, 3, and 4 were agreed to, without any obscalk
tion.

On clause 5 being read,
Mr. HAWES wanted to know from the Noble Lord whet
was meant by the expression " worn by time." The words °!,
this clause were much too loose, and he would suggest that i"
be postponed in the meantime, in order to have it amended.
After a few words from Mr. Miles, Mr. Wilks, and MP,
Hawes, the words were struck out, and the clause amendo
by making it " worn and mended?"
Mr. CLIVE wanted to know what was to be done with
those which were worn and not mended.
Mr. RICHARDS thought the community themseivel
would be sufficiently watchful over their own interests without
this provision.
Lord EBRINGTON explained.
Mr. 'WALLACE hoped the Noble Lord would not con'
sent to withdraw this clause, but take the sense of the House
upon it if necessary. The country would be put to immense
expense if the House fell in with the views of the Hon. Mein'
ber for Lambeth.
Mr. HAWE S protested against the off-hand legislation of
the Committees of the House.
Mr. WALKER said that the clause had been adopted 14
the Select Committee, after much consideration.
On clause 6 being read—
Mr. Hawes, Lord EBRINGTON, and Mr. RORBUCIt, Made
a few observations which were inaudible in the gallery.
Mr. WALLACE objected to the proviso at the end of the
clause, considering it to strike at the root of the whole prin.'
ciple of the Bill.
Mr. HARDY thought the clause ought tohe differentli
worded.

Mr. WARBURTON thought the proviso ought to 13°
withdrawn.
Mr. JE PH SON thought the proviso a most ,extraordinar/
one;it went to legalise every description of weight and measure'

After a few words from Mr. MILES, -
Mr. ROEBUCK would remind Hon. Members that in Cc"
vent-garden Market there were certain measures, such es
potties of strawberries and hampers of cherries, which Oa'
tained no specific quantity, and unless some proviso was intro'
duced recognizing them, much inconvenience would'ensue- ,
Lord EBRINGTON felt it his duty, whatever the opini°,
of Hon. Members might be, to take the sense of the Conlon!,
tee upon this amendment.--( Hear, hear.) It was absoltitell
necessary that some standard should be established.
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL supported the proviso as
it originally stood. Great inconvenience had arisen in COn;
sequence of the want of it in the former Bill, blia
he, (the Attorney-General) could scarce regret it, as it hao
brought him a great many fees. The instances cited by tta:
Hon, Member for Bath were quite sufficient to convince Ow
House of the necessity of introducing a proviso to PIT
tect sales where no legal weight or measure was indicate('
Mr. HAWES was in favour of the proviso. When pcoPla
bought or sold by other than legal measures or wghts, that
did so with their eyes open, and of course were can.tious. A
Mr. WILK S also thought that the proviso ought to stair'
part of the Bill.
Sir J. Y. BULLER was afraid that if the proviso stood to
its present shape, it mould much injure the traffic ill Devoe;
shire where their carts were generally made to contain ace e
tain quantity. Now would not the proviso put an end to t
very common practise of selling by the cart-load?
Lord EBRINGTON said, if the contract was merely for
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cart load, then there would be nothing illegal in the traitse°;l
tion, but if the load were bought with reference to a define
quantity the Bill would operate.
Mr. WALLACE withdrew his amendment, and clause 7'
as amended, was ordered to stand part of the Bill.
On the proposal of clause 9, it
Mr. WARBURTON said that in its present shape 3
would not remedy the defects of the former Act, because I
did not sufficiently define the proportions of measures.
Lord EBRINGTON-explained.
Mr. JE PH SON objected to the clause as prescribing ll°
unnecessary rule.
Clause 5, as amended, was then agreed to.
After some observations from Mr. B. Carter, Lord .Ebriae-
ton, Mr. Wilks, and Mr. Warburton, clause 8 was agreed to,
and ordered to stand part of the Bill.
Clause 9 was agreed to after a conversation respecting t°
propriety of limiting the sale of apothecaries, drugs, Bce.,
troy weight.
On clause 10 being read,
Mr. WALLACE suggested that after the words, "
tiple or aliquot part," the words, " or any multiple of
gallon," be introduced.
Mr. B. CARTER thought it would be injudicious to in
troduce measures in a clause relating entirely to weights.
The Clause was then agreed to, with the amendments.
Clauses 11 and 12 were also agreed to, with a few verbs"
amendments.
Mr. AGLIONBY said there was so much noise and confil'
sion in the House that it was quite impossible for of
Honourable Member, except those around the table, to ilea,
the objections 'started to the clauses as proposed.—(Hclie•
He begged for information as to the question before di'
House.

The CHAIRMAN read the clause.
Lord EBRINGTON explained, but was inaudible in the
Gallery.
Major BEAUCLERK thought they ought to confine the
weights to hard metals, such as iron and copper.
Mr. CAYLEY--Iron would be as cheap a metal as could
be used.
Mr. ROEBUCK—It would be better to say expressly that,
all measures should be made of iron or brass, rather than the'
no weight should be made of soft materials.
Sir ROGER GRESLEY thought that the weights sheok!
be made of copper, iron, or brass, and he should move 19'
amendment to that effect.
Captain PE C HELL hoped that they would hear of no nlol°
lead and pewter weights.
Sir ROGER GRE SLEY having moved his amendment'
" That no weights in future should be made of any other 03e'
tals except gold, silver, iron, copper, or brass."
Strangers were ordered to withdraw, and the House divide('
when the numbers were—
For the amendment BO
Against it
Majority against the amendment —2o •
The clause was then ordered to stand part of the Bill, and
being three o'clock, the House adjourned.