The Sun.
London, England, 1835-08-07 00:00:00

ARUNDEL.

Mr. William .Holmes examined.—l belong to the Corporation of
Arundel, which consists of a mayor and twelve burgesses. I have
several times filled the office of mayor. I am well acquainted with
the affairs of the Corporation. Twenty-five years ago, I analyzed
and indexed the documents. I remember Mr. D. Maude, the
Commissioner, coming down on a Saturday morning, and sum-
moning us to meet him on the same day. This was con-
sidered very abrUpt. but he had just come from the Isle of
Wight, and wanted to take Chichester as he returned. They
protested against the legality of the Commission, but ex-
pressed their readiness to produce everything except one bundle of
deeds, and this they kept back, simply to show that they meant to
resist the Commission. This protest was served by the Mayor on
Mr. Maude. The Commissioner left Arundel, having written to the
Mayor to say that he would be back in a few days, and when the
Corporation were summoned for that day a letter arrived stating
that he was obliged to go elsewhere, and that they would give a
subsequent notice. Some time after that another notice was given.
The Commissioner stated that he would communicate to the Cor-
poration the statements that were made against them by the: popu-
lar party. He did not do so, but he communicated:to the other
party. all they heardfrom the Corporation. He did not fairly com-
municate to the Corporation the charges made against theni.
Sir CitARLtS WF.THEKELL : Attend to this statement, it
13 lb page 6SB of the Report : " Tn consequence of -neither party

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having betted the evidence of the other, I afterwards d'aitt 11'3°4
parties an opportunity of knowing and explaining these statements.
Is this a fair statement ? It is untrue. lie never gave the Corporation
an opportunity of knowing what the inhabitants said, except in two
particulars. Mere were two cases in which he did commun mete mat
ters of complaint. It was said that the inhabitants had complained
of a certain person of the name of Billing not having been
stitlirnened on juries ; told the Commissioners that if he saw this
person's liotieei and saw his zituation (he was a garter-maker, and
had no workmen under him, but worked himself in his shop), he
would not be surprised. They were ordered by Charter to summon
only the principal inhabitants upon juries. This person had once
served as a juryman. He happened to be in Court when there WO
not a sufficient number to compose a jury, end he was placed on the
jay: The other complaint was that the land belonging to
the Corporation was underlet, and a person of the name
of Grant Stated to the Commissioners that the land
was worth' 51. per were. There had been two valuations—one
in 1813 and the other in 182:1--the highest of which estimate
the land as being worth 50s. per acre ; two parcels of the beet 0f
this land were sold by public auction, and only fetched 50s. per acre.
The Mayor wrote a letter to Mr. Maude, for the purpose of shelv-
ing that the statement mado by these two gentlemen was incorrect.
The purport of the letter was that two of the most valuable lots of
land belonging to the Corporation had been let by public auction,the
and had only brought 50s. per acre. The Commissioner visited
Borough in Feb. 1834, and the letter was sent in November fol-
lolling. The election of Mayor rests with the inhabitants aftert
the nattiest of two burgesses have been returned by the Jury. The
Commoners then elect whichever of the two they please. I
eeive we are unfairly treated in not having the complaints ma"'
by the populace communicated to us. It was stated in the report
of the Commissioners that no Dissenter feel been a Member of the
Corporation, but that one had been invited to join it two days Pre-
vious to the visit of the Commissioner. That statement is untrue.
I had asked a Dissenter to join the Corporation about two yea°
previously, but he declined. It is stated in the Report that the
lands of the Corporation were usurped from the commons by the
burgesses. That is untrue. I have in my possession the
Book of the Corporation, which goes so far back as 153?,
in which there is abundant evidence of the land le
question having been the property of the Corporation.
book was for eight or nine hours before the Commissioner:
and he might have made whatever extracts he pleased from it. .1
know of no evidence having been produced to show that ;be lane!,
were usurped. No evidence could have been produced to that effect
Lord BR' OUGHAM—That is not a fair way of putting the (I°Bs‘
tion. You don't know what evidence could have been produced.
Sir C. Werneeeer—My Lord, I have not asked that question.
I don't go to potentials.
Lord BROUGHAM—Let the short-hand writer read the ques-
tion.
[The question was read by the short-hand writer, and it appear_Aed
the Learned Counsel had asked the question objected to by LC'
Brougham.]
Sir C. WeTneiteee—,lt was a mistake of mine.
Examination resumed.—l don't know what evidence was Pre',
duced, as it never was communicated to me. The populatioo 01
the borough is about 2,800. The County Magistrate resides in the
borough, and has a concurrent jurisdiction with the Borough 01';
gistrate. The Mayor resides in the town. There is no want 0'
Magistrates to perform the duties required. No complaints have
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been made on that point, nor have there been any grounds for suci
complaints. Arundel is a Corporation by prescription. The pre-
sent Count, Magistrate is Mr. Atherley. There is noborough ran
By the Earl of RADNOR—Mr. Maude, the Commissioner, an'
not promise to communicate to the Corporation any e°e•lti
plaints that might be made by the inhabitants. I have not Set
so. If I have, it was in consequence of the yr
the question was put by 'Sir C. Wetherell. The Commission
said he would communicate what we had stated to him to the!'
habitants, to save the trouble of taking unnecessary informatie*
He made no promise to us.
By Sir C. 'VireTneiteee—The town disputed our right of Molt
ing our own burgesses, and also the right of electing our or;
mayor ; and they, on one occasion, attempted to exercise that rige„
I got the documents from the Commissioner, which the inhabitamt;
had furnished him with, and they turned out to be jtlagree,
given in favour of the Corporation upon these two
The witness complained of the Report in one paragraph, 011.1,
Lord Brougham made him read aloud, and as a professional inue
Bey that the Commissioner reported that the complaints me;
against the Corporation were not supported, and seemed to
unworthy of being inquired into.
Lord BROUGHAM—Suppose you were defendant in a el
and, after the case had been stated against you, the Judge were
say, " I see nothing in this case for you to answer—we wont
into the case further,"—would you be contented ?—No, perhiYi
not, my Lord.—(A laugh.) If the case is made out -strong...
ought to have an opportunity—( A laugh, amidst which the ,latte,'.
part of the answer was lost. ) gni%
Are you aware that the other party opposed to the, CorPore;;;;..
complained that the Commissioner did not go on with the Case?
I am not aware that they did, my Lord.
LLANETHELLY.
Mr. Barth (we believe) examined by Mr. Kremer—Was e
gess of the above borough of 35 years standing. They han
Corporation. Justice was administered by a magistrate who re;
sided about four miles from the borough. All who wished it W&
up there. The borough was included in schedule A of the
How it got there he did not know, as he was certain the inlor.
tants generally had no wish for a mayor, aldermen, town-clerk, elcfra
Theirs was a borough by prescription. They had no charter. I' pf
Cawdor was lord of the manor, who appointed a steward. A leetjarik,
12 was selected from the burgesses generally, who amounted to
There was a portreeve, who was recommended by the jury,
approved of by the steward was sworn into °flip. An Ineloeu4
Act was passed in 1827, before which the burgesses had rights -
common. They never had any other corporate property of wit.
description. Land was allotted to them in consideration of el',
right of property. The abstract of the Act contained in I;
Commissioners' Report is correct. The rents are appliedi.
directed by the Act, and the trustees have spent upwards of 2,0""-
in public improvements. I know of no misapplication. The CAI
missioner could not be supplied with all the accounts at the monse
but they were sent after him at his request, and we have his letter
acknowledging the receipt of them. Those accounts were full and tree
The annual rental of the land varies from 3501. to 4004 a Yee!'
The statement, then, of the Report, that the Commissioner
not able to obtain a clear account is not true. lam a burgess
the borough, and do not know why it is placed in Schedule A.
By Lord RADNOR—The population has increased very unl,lo
latterly. To avoid a borough rate, the Corporation have offered 0
light the town out of their own fund. Water its very scarce 's
the town. The Corporation would have laid down pipes to gir,o
better supply, but a landed proprietor, through whose grout ° -
was necessary to pass, would not agree to it.
By Mr. KNIGHT—There is no desire on the part of the lona it
ants to be taken out of the county jurisdiction, and to be pia 1~
under any municipal government. The accounts were regulars,
kept. If it was stated in the Report that such was not the 0" "
that statement was untrue.
(We shall give the conclusion in a Second Edition.)

:LIST OF THE MAJORITY ti
ceile
Of 226 (Tellers included), who voted that Mr. Preston be 0
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to the Bar of the House, and directed to answer such quek, - .
as did not tend to criminate himself.
Aglionby, H. A. Hawes, 11.
Astley, Sir Jacob Hawkins, J. H.
Attwood, T. . Heathcote, R. E. '
Baines, E. Hindley, Chailes
Barnard, E. G. Hoskins, K.
Beauclerk, Major Hovard, P. H.
Benett, John Hun e, Joseph
r-krkeley, F. F. Leader, John Temple
Bidciplph, R. M. Lennox, Lord A.
Bish, I'. Lennox, Lord G.
Blamire, W. Lushington, Charles
Bowring, Dr. Lynch, A. H.
Brady, Denis C. M'Leod, M.
Bridgman, H. . M'Taggart, John
Brotherton, J. Mangles, J
turton, H. Martin, J.
Buxton, T. F. Maule Hon. Fox
Callaghan, D. Morpeth, Viscount
Coope-, E. J. Murray, J A.
Cowper, Hon. W. F. Musgrave, Sir R.
Crawford, W. S. Nagle, Sir It.
Dillwyn, L. W. O'Connell, D.
Divett, E. o'connell, M.
Dunl ip, J. O'Connell, M. J.
Dykes, F. L. O'Connell, J.
Elphinstone, Howard O'Ferrah, More
Etwall, R. O'Loghlen, M.
Fellowes, H )n. N. Pease, Joseph
Ferguson, It. C. Pechell, G. R.
Fielden, J. Perrin, L.
Finn, W. F. Philips, M.
Fitzsimon, N. PhillTps, C. M.
(iaskell, D. P( tter, It.
(,nnton, It. P ult,r, J. S.
Grattan, J. Power, James
tirattim, H. Power, P.
Grosvenor, Lord R. Price, Sir R.
Hall, B. Pryse, I'.
Harvey, D. W. I a;thael, Sheriff
MINORITY.
Fancmir , Major
t inch, G.
Forester, Hon. C.
Forster, C.
Gasket), J. M.
Gordon, Hon. W.
liorniltoii, Lord C.
Hartlv. J.
Houlaswoith, T.
Inglis, Sir R.-11.
Jones, 'l'.
Kirk, P.
Lee', Jchn F.
Lefloy, i r. T.
Lowther, H. C.
Macleni, 1).
M.le4, W.
Nichol', J. -
Peel, Sir it
Pem',erton, Thomas
Perceval, Colonel
Plurnptre, J. P.
Praed, W. W.

Alsager, Richard
Admitline, Hon. H.
Baring, H. B.
Bating, T.
Baring, W. B.
Becket, Sir John
Bentinck, 1,9:d
Brani,ton, 'l'. W. •
Buller, Sir J. B. Y.
Campbell, Sir H.
Canning, Sir S
Clerk, Sir G., Bart.
Compton, H. C.
Coote, Sir C.
Carry, H. L.
D'Albiac, Sir C.
Darner, Dawson
Darlington, Earl of
Dick,
Duffield, T. D.
Egerton, lord Fran.
Entwistle, John
.Estcourt,T. G. B.

LITERATURE.

Rice, T. S.
Roebuck, J. A.
Ronayne. D.. 40
Russell, Le "
Ruthven, E. S•
Scholefield, J.
Seymour, Lord +• ,s!
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Smith, 13.
Smith, R. Vernon
Spi2rs, A O.
Strutt, Edward
'Talbot, J. H. .%
Tancred, H. V"' et
Thompson, Colon Thomson, C.
Thornely, Thorn.,
Tooke, W.
Townley, R. a
Troubridge, Sir
Tulk, C. A. sr. •
Villiers, Charles •
Wakley, Tlionias
Walker, C. A•
Wallace, R.
Want, H. G.
Wason, R.
Whalley, Sir S.
White, S.
Wilbrah im, 0.
Wilde, Thomas
Wilks, J.
Williams, W. A.
V'illiams, Sir J.
V‘, thiams, W.
wood, C.

TELL nE9;
Stanley, E. J.
Ord, W. 1-1.

Price Richard
Pringle A.
Reid, Pringle,
J. It.
Rolfe, it. M.
Ross, C.
Sandon, Lord
Shaw, F.
Somerset, Lord !!"
Somerset, Lord .1••O'
Stormont, Viseoti
Thomas, Colonel
'1 wiss, notice
Vere, Sir C. 8., 0f,,,4
Vesey, lion. Ting'
Walker, It.
Wall, B.
Walter, J.
Wilbraham, G.
Young, J.

TFLLERSt „.
Fr. mantle, sir •
Freslitield, W'

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The Marquis and Marchioness of Breadalhane-b$
arrived at Breadalbane House, Park-lane, from thFilseell/41
Taymouth Castle, N. B. enter
SulclDE..—On the parties employed in the
house of the Stationers' Company going yesterday to_
tbat department, they found the door fastened ; they, thereforcit
sent for a smith to pick the lock, when, on entering, they 10:85
the under-beadle, John Carron, suspended to a beam be!"
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