The Sun.
London, England, 1832-05-26 00:00:00

SPIRIT OF THE PUBLIC JOURNALS.

No man likes to be outdone in any characrer
in which he thinks he has distinguished himself.
It may, therefore, be almost taken for granted
that Lords Winchilsea and Londonderry are too
much in the same line to view the labours of each
other with much satisfaction. It must have
mortified Lord Londonderry exceedingly, the
other night, to witness the attempt of Lords
Winchilsea and Kenyon to carry away from him
the palm of indecent extravagance. The same
sort of feeling has led the Noble Marquess to
fall foul of a Mr Larkins, who at the late Re-
form meeting at Newcastle, delivered himself of
a speech, which, in as far as regards the power of
expression, certainly bears no resemblance to
the bold style of the Noble Marquess, but
which, in as far as regards intemperance, could
not certainly have been surpassed by him.
Nearly choaked with jealousy, the Noble Mar-
e iess posted with a Newcastle newspaper to the
House, and because Earl Grey is well acquaint-
ed with Newcastle, and knows Dr. Headlam,
who presided at the meeting in question, the
Noble Marquess, by some process of reasoning
peculiar to himself, deemed himself warranted in
inferring that the sentiments uttered by the dif-
ferent speakers were necessarily approved of by
Earl Grey. "At the meeting in question
(said the Noble Marquess) there was much dis-
cussion, but one of the speeches was so extraor-
dinary, so extravagant and outrageous, that he
would ask—what ? He would ask the Noble
Earl, under the circumstances, whether he ap-
proved of such language, or in any way counte-
nanced its use ?" The question threw Lord
Goderieli into the utmost consternation.
" The question (said his Lordship) was neither more
nor less than whether his Noble Friend at the head of his
Majesty's Government did not approve of doctrines and
language, at the bare mention of which every drop of
English blood must be almost curdled with horror—
doctrines and language which were full of the most des-
perate and villanous treason.—(Loud cries of Hear, hear,
on both sides of the House.) If his Noble Friend could
have been justly charged with approving of one-tenth part
of such atrocious and treasonable language, he would have
deserved to lose his head on the scaffold.--(Hear, hear.)
He begged of his Noble Friend, for God's sake, not to
had b
an-
swer such a question."
Lord Goderich
fad his
hardlyri have
more agitation,Noble
Friend would answer in the affirmative. To one
not acquainted with the ways of the Noble Mar-
quess, the question would, no doubt, have been
somewhat startling. But Lord Goderich should
not have allowed himself to be so much agitated.
If Earl Grey had been asked whether he had
ever tried his hand at picking pockets, Lord
Goderich might have trusted his colleague with
the answer. No man, indeed, may be more safely
trusted with putting down impertinence than Earl
Grey.
" I am unable (said Elrl Grey) to refrain from ex-
pressing the utmost astonishment that any Noble Peer,
after pronouncing a speech to be treasonable, should then
gravely
inquire of me if J. concur in the sentiments of the
speaker? I need scarcely remind your Lordships that it is
not only contrary to all the rules of this House, but to those
of common decency and decorum. A Noble Lord. comes
down to time ?louse, and with a newspaper in his hand,
says! here is a treasonable speech—do you concur in the
sentiments of the speaker ? I need scarcely suggest to your
Lordships that such conduct is totally unjustifiable, con-
trary to order, and against every sense or feeling of pro-
priety.''

i is said that the Turks hold cracked intel-

lects in veneration. From the attention bestowed
on the extravagance of Lord Londonderry, one
would suppose that the House of Peers shared
the Turkish notions. In any other assembly in
the country, the speech would have been dis-
posed of more summarily. What a practical
condemnation have we of the system to which
the Reform Bill will put an end in this man.
Think only of his having long been the represen-
tative of this country at the Court of Vienna in
most critical times! What a fund of stories
Prince Puckler could furnish of this wonderful
diplomatist.—Morning Chronicle.
Mr. Stanley moved the second reading of the
Irish Reform Bill in an able and appropriate
speech, in which he satisfactorily showed that
the measure would not give more to the people
of Ireland than they were entitled to demand.
From the nature of the arguments urged against
the Bill by the opponents of the measure, a
stranger entering the House might have been led
to conclude that the question related to the se-
curing the establishment of the Church of Ire-
land. The people of Ireland are nothing in the
eyes of these men. The Church of Ireland !
the Church of Ireland ! is the cry. Perish the
people, let live the Protestant Church of Ireland.
Mr. O'Connell, as is well known, and many
other Irish Members, think the Bill stops con-
siderably short of the just expectations of the
people of Ireland. Mr. O'Connell said—
" He knew the Tories would oppose the principle of
the Bill, but he also knew they would support the details.
The only objection, the only shadow of a reason which
they advanced against the principle of the Bill, was an
objection to one of the details—namely, the enlargement
of the franchise; therefore, the Honourable Gentleman
must see that the other details of the Bill would meet with
no opposition. No; he might assure himself of the sup-
port of all the Tories. The Solicitor-General for Ireland
had admitted the details of the Bill to be conservative—a

word which in polite society was used instead of ascen-
dency. Would the Irish be satisfied with the details
of this Bill ? No ; they would not, they ought not,
and if he as an humble individual had any powers,
they should not.—(Hear, hear, hear.) In the nine of
the people of Ireland he demanded a measure of Reform
equally efficient with that of England..—(Chwers.) lie
demanded a measure which would amalgamate the people
with the Government, which had never yet been done."
We trust that full justice will be done to the
Irish. The claim put in by Mr. O'Connell on
the gratitude of the people of England, for their
merits in the struggle for the Reform Bill, will
be readily allowed. We are, indeed, much in-
debted to the hid' Members, and we are sure
that the people of England will not he satisfied
if justice be not done to their Irish brethren at

this important crisis. If we wish to amalgamate
the two countries, we ought not, as Mr. O'Con-
nell observed, to leave to agitation the advantage
of a good grievance. Mr. O'Connell princi-
pally dwelt on the inequality of the qualification
in the two countries, 10/. in England being much
lower than JO/. in Ireland. The Bill would

throw the boroughs into the hands of so smal
a number of individuals, that they would in
inevitably be bartered. He instanced Portal,

ington, which, under the Bill, would have mil)

90 voters. Instead of being sold by one man,
t would be sold by 100 voters.

" He hoped he should not be misunderstood as holding
out the language of threat in that House ; but he would
prophesy—and some of his prophecies had already been
fulfilled—that if they refused the Reform Bill, in six
months they would have a Parliament in Ireland—
(cheers), but if that House refused it, he would appeal to
the people of England—.he would appeal to tbeir
sense of fairness—he would appeal to their generosity;
and he felt he would be sure of Reform.—(Cheers.)
He took a review of the endeavours of Ireland for
centuries to obtain the restoration of her civil and
religious rights, and of the refusals of the different
Sovereigns to pay attention to her demands. Re-
ligious freedom they had at length obtained ; and all they
now asked for was, that the Legislature should pass such
a Bill as would for the first time in the history of the two
countries, identify the people of Ireland with British rights
and British interests.—(Cheers.)—Morning Chronicle.
At the entertainment given at the Mansion-
House yesterday, being the anniversary of the
Society for the Propagation of the Gospel in
Foreign parts, to the Archbishop of Canterbury
and a number of Bishops and Dignitaries of the
Church, of wbich a report will be found in ano-
ther column, the Bishop of London having com-
plimented the citizens of London, and more
particularly the Court of Aldermen, on their
having been always the foremost to defend the
Church and its Ministers when they needed
protection, the Lord Mayor was placed in ra-
ther an awkward predicament, for it so happened
that few Aldermen were present. "It gave
him pain and regret (said his Lordship) to
observe, that so few members of the Court

of Aldermen were present on the occasion. It
had been observed, by way of reproach, that
the lower classes of the empire were losing
respect for religion and its Ministers ; but
any such remark coming from the Court of
Aldermen, would come now with a bad grace,
since they had chosen to absent themselves on

such an occasion." Times are changed with a
vengeance, when the presence of no fewer than

seventeen Archbishops and Bishops has lost all
attraction for the Court of Aldermen. Thirty
years ago, an Alderman would have dwelt for
half a year on the honour of dining with the
Archbishop of Canterbury, and now nearly the
whole Bench of Bishops could only draw out
four Members of the Upper House of the City ?
Is not this ominous ? By the by, it appears,
that if the Aldermen turn their backs on the
Bishops, the Bishops turn their backs on his
Majesty ; for it was remarked that the Bishops
drank the King's health in silence. What are
we to think of this ? What has become of

passive obedience ?—Morning Chronicle.

The proceedings in Parliament last night will
be read with interest. In the House of Lords

;here was a curious prelude to the discussion on
;he Reform Bill. Lord Londonderry, with that

excellent taste and admirable discretion which

has distinguished the whole of his Parliamentary
career, read to their Lordships a long extract
from a violent speech delivered at a Public Meet-

ing at Newcastle, in which the King is reminded
of the fate of Louis XVI., the Queen of that of
Marie Antoinette, and the majority of the House
of Lords called by some very ugly names. The
Noble Marquis gave as his reason for reading this
extract (by which he has secured the publication
of it throughout the three kingdoms,) the fact
that Mr. Attwood dined the other day with the
Lord Mayor. Every one, we are sure, will see
how near and necessary a connexion there
must be between a speech delivered at New-
castle and a dinner at the Mansion-House ; and

a tew persons, we trust, are so simple or so ill-
bred as not to perceive, that when the Noble
Marquis had denounced this Newcastle oratory

as treason, he acted most wisely and decorously
in asking Earl Grey whether he, as First Mi-
nister of the Crown, approved and countenanced
the crime. Lord Goderich, therefore, seems to
have been too hasty in pronouncing the :ques-
tion to be an insult to Earl Grey, although
Lord Wynford considered it in nearly the same
light. But that Noble and Learned personage
did not stop there. He, too, declared the
spech to be treasonable, and recommended that
it should be prosecuted, assuring the Govern-
ment that if, in prosecutions for libel, they only
evinced such a degree of zeal as would show
that they were desirous of convicting those
against whom they proceeded, a verdict must
crown the labours of the Attorney-General.
Every one who has heard Lord Wynford charge
a Jury, will understand what that impartial and
fine-tempered and upright Judge meant .by
zeal. We beg him, however, to believe, :that
we speak the language of sincerity and not of
flattery, when we assure him that he has not
left his like behind him on the bench. A con-
viction, therefore, is not now so certain to fol-
low, however plain a Government may make its
desires known to judge and jury. Neither does
the crop of convictions, even if this system of
forced culture were tried, seem likely to be ren-
dered more abundant while the present Admi-
nistration remain in office, for Lord Wynford,
irritated at the rough manner in which he was
handled by Lord Radnor, declared that he would
" not take a judgeship or any other office" from
Earl Grey. How must Lord Radnor reproach
himself for having provoked so great a calamity.
But we refer our readers to the speeches of that
Noble Lord and of Earl Grey, which will am-
ply repay the perusal of them, even though the
one has sealed the doom of the present Adminis-
tration by eliciting a declaration from Lord
Wynford that he will not join it, and the other
gives little hope that the appetite of that noble
and Learned Lord for State prosecutions will
be gratified. This preliminary skirmish
being concluded, their Lordships went into
Committee on the Reform Bill, where the
most remarkable occurrence in the discussion
was Lord Wharncliffe's candid recantation of a
very foolish error, which, in the face of the most
clear and notorious facts, is still obstinately per-
sisted in by many of that Noble Lord's party.
Lord Wharncliffe admitted without reserve, that
he had been wrong in considering that the 101.
qualification was too low. The committee pro-
ceeded with the Bill as far as the last clause but
one ; so that, although they have still schedules
A and B to dispose of, and although the House
will not sit again till Wednesday, we may rea-
sonably calculate upon the labours of the Com-
mittee being brought to a close next week. In
the House of Commons, too, Reform made
some progress last night. There the Irish Re-
form Bill was read a second time, after an at-
tempt by Mr. Lefroy to defer the second read-
ing to a period when there can be little doubt
that the Reform Bills for England, Scotland,
and Ireland will have become the law of the
land. The second reading was carried by ama •
jority of 116. The numbers were 246 to 180,
Times.

We have only time to refer generally to our
Parliamentary report, which will be found highly
i►►teresting in both Houses ; but that which will
afford most satisfaction is the great progress
made last night. So many clauses were never
despatched upon any one occasion before since
the first introduction of the measure. The Irish
Reform Bill was discussed also with fueat ani-
mation in the Commons, where a division took
place. Ministers were again triumphant, having
carried the second reading by a majority of 116.
It would be an unpardonable omission, however,
to pass over the complaint made by the Marquess
of Londonderry against the speech of a. Mr.
Larkins, at one of the Political Unions. After
having denounced the speech as treason, the
Noble Marquis had the elegance to compliment
Lord Grey by asking him if he approved of such
sentiments as the speech contained. Some men
have a knack of defeating their own object by
the gross and offensive manner in which they
bring it forward. We would not designate the
Noble Marquis as one of those men, but
certainly his. question was an instance of the pe-
culiar style in which they deliver themselves.
Lord Wynford, too, made a hot-headed
speech, for which he was well reproved by
Lord Radnor. It is a pity that, having lost
their cause, the Anti-Reformers should think it

unnecessary to preserve their tempers.—Morn-
ing Herald.

All the remaining clauses in the Reform Bill,
with the exception of schedules A and B, were
read through in the Committee of the House of
Lords last night. The only clause to which any
opposition was made, was that which invests the
most worthless class of the community, the 101.
householders, with an absolute power over all the
property, talent, and respectability of the country.
Here, however, as in all other cases, the Lord
Chancellor, on the part of the Government, put
forth his arbitrary dictum that no alteration should
be permitted. When it is recollected that the
remarks of this same Learned Person on the sub-
ject of the 101. qualification, in his first cele-
brated speech on the Bill, amounted to an aban-
donment of the most dangerous features of the
clause, the influence exercised over the Govern-

inent by the Political Unions, and such speeches
as that quoted by Lord Londonderry yesterday,
may be accurately appreciated.— Morning Post.

The rumour that the Duke of WELLINGTON
had retired to Strathbeldsay, with iutvot to ru.qicate
there until the Reform question is settled, appears to be in-
correct; for his Grace, we perceive, has ib.sred cards. for a
grand party at Apsley House on Monday next, the KING'S
birth-day. The cards have not the usual zeden ium " To
nest their MAJESTIES."

The Honourable JOHN ARTHUR DOUGLAS
ilLoomniLD, only son of Lord BLOOAIFIELD, and Secre-
tary of Legation at Stockholm, arrived in Sackville-street,
yesterday, from a visit to his Lord-hio's estates in the
county of Tipperary. Mr. Bhoomerxtn has been hums,
on leave for some months, from the Court of Sweden, at
which Lord BLOOMFIELD continues accredited as British
Envoy.

LANARK, MAY immense crowd
.re at this moment (half-past two, p.m.) assembled,
waiting the arrival of The Sun. Mr. GIBBON, surgeon,
entered the room in the meantime, and read aloud a letter
rom Mr. GILLON, saying that Earl GItEY and his col-
leagues are re-called. In a few minutes alter flags floated
n all parts of the town, and the band paraded the stieete,
playing their liveliest airs, accompanied by an immens,e
crowd, carrying flags. Every countenance is joyful, ex-
cept those of our wee, wee, wee Magistrates. Application
was made for the use of the bells, but they were refused foi
a time. Poor despicable souls ! they were panic struck !
—their fingers were itching for M—'s hundreds, which
They have for a week been dreaming of, when, ah ! their
Leath-warrant was read in their ears. But it is cruel to.
maltreat a fallen foe ; we shall therefore leave them to. die
n their own insignificance. Where are now the Welling-
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