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LONDON,
THURSDAY EVENING, JULY 23, 1835.

The debate on the Irish Church Bill was resumed
last night in the House of Commons, and after se-
veral Members had delivered their sentiments at con-
siderable length, was again adjourned. We hope it
will be brought to a close to-night. Hon. Members
given to eloquence will, we trust, bear in mind that
the Session is far spent, while a great deal of neces-
sary work yet remains to be done, and either gene-
rously forego the gratification of enlightening and de-
lighting the public ; or, if that be impossible, reduce
their speeches to dimensions more proportionate to the
state of the weather, and of the public business. We
can assure them, that if they were to talk till the
crack of doom, they will not alter the decision of the
question at issue. The people have already made up
their minds that the revenues of the Irish Church
shall at last be appropriated to the benefit of Ireland.
Mr. HUME opened the debate last night with an
excellent speech, in which he successfully defended
himself from the charge brought against him by Sir
ROBERT PEEL, of having given currency to ex-
aggerated statements of the wealth of the Irish
Church, and reminded the Hon. Baronet that he
and the pal ty with which he was connected, were re-
sponsible for any erroneous views that may have been
entertained upon the subject, as they had always re-
fused to let in the least glimmering of light on the
state of Church property. The Honourable Mem-
ber forcibly pointed out the absurd inconsistency
of the Hon. Baronet's conduct, in setting up men
of straw merely for the purpose of knocking
them down, all his efforts being directed to combat—
not the real enactments of the Bill, but his own dis-
torted misrepresentations—the mere obliquities of his
own fancy. Nor did he omit to remind the Right
lion. Baronet, that if his statements were correct, and
his reasonings from them to be depended upon, he had
most conclusively answered his own only objection to
the Bill ; for the whole of his argument went to prove
that there could nut possibly be any " robbery," any
" spoliation," any " appropriation of Church Property
to other than Ecclesiastical purposes," because, iii.
stead of there being a " surpinef there must be an
immense " deficiency ;" and he thought, it would defy
even the Right Hon. Baronets powers of legerdemain
to appropriate a surplus out of a deficiency. Mr.
HUME, at the conclusion of one of the best speeches
he has ever made, solemnly warned the House against
the danger of delaying that Reform which the public
voice has said must come, and which will only be the

more sweeping from the obstacles that have been thrown
in its way.

Mr. GOULBURN followed in his usual strain of
suite twaddle, and was succeeded by Mr. PUSEY,
one of the Members for Berkshire. This Gentleman
is a staunch Tory, and has always opposed the MEL-
BOURNE Administration. Mr. PUSEY, however, is an
honest man, and too enlightened to be led astray by
the sophistry of Sir ROBERT PEEL. He thus em-
phatically declared his assent to the Irish Church
Reform Bill, and bore a noble testimony to the in-
tegrity of the men who had proposed it
:
He found by the Report upon the table of the House that
in one-half of Ireland—namely, the provinces of Connaught
and Munster—the number of Roman Catholics was 3,500,000,
being not less than the whole population of the kingdom of
Portugal, whilst the number of Protestants who were scattered
over the same part of the country did not exceed 150,000,
being not equal to the population of Liverpool. Thus there
was a kingdom of Catholics on the one hand, and a town of
Protestants on the other.—( Hear, hear, from the Ministerial
benches.) It was painful, no doubt, for a member of the
Church to enlarge on its defects and abuses ; but im these
times it was in vain to shut one's eyes against them.—
( Hear, hear, from the Ministerial benches.) It was to be
lamented that they had so long been permitted to exist.
Be feared that if the Church should be injured, the blame
would rest upon the heads of Protestants who had for centuries
allowed the revenues of the Church to be devoted to selfish
and jobbing purposes, rather than upon the heads of those who
proposed after providing for the spiritual wants of Protestants in
Jreland to appropriate the surplus which remained to purposes
of general education. Now the Bill enforced residence, and
therefore there would in future be 1,200 resident incnmbents,
being upwards of 300 more than the present number, or an in-
crease of 3.i per cent.--( Ministerial cheers.) For his part, he
thought that if it were possible to put the Bill into operation
immediately, it would be the best thing that could be done.
however it mig!i: pain him to be separated for an instant from
the party with which he had heretofore acted, and whatever dis
trust of him it might produce amongst the members of the church
to whom he owed his scat in that house, he felt bound to de-
clare that if the vote which he was about to give were to be
the last he should give in that house, he considered the
sacrifice due to his political opponents, who, he thought,
were consulting the best interests of the church, by not ex-
posing the question for further agitation.—( Cheers from the
Ministerial benches.) If the question should be settled now,
he believed that in two years it would be almost forgotten
that tithes had ever been paid in Ireland; but if the mea •
sure should fail, the clergy would be left in a state of utter des-
titution. In conclusion he declared that whatever might be
the consequence to himself, he would discharge what he con-
ceived to be his duty by opposing the motion of the Right
Hon. Barouet.—(Cheers from the Ministerial benches.) "
The other speakers were Sir JAMES GRAHAM and

Lord HowicK. The Right Honourable Baronet's
effusion was, as usual, very deficient in argument,
but there was no lack of violent declamation.
lie fancies himself the friend of toleration, yet he
has to learn the very elements of religious liberty.
Substitute " Religion" for " Church" throughout his
speech, and then we will allow his claim.
Lord HowicK's speech was truly admirable—every
way worthy of the son of Lord GREY—We can give it
no higher praise.

Mr. SPARROWE, who, it may be remembered,
figured somewhat conspicuously in the late notorious
Ipswich affair, was last night discharged out of cus-
tody, by order of the House of Commons. Mr.
CLIPPERTON, his colleague on that occasion, was not
so fortunate, the question of his discharge, as also
that or Mr. KEITH, another of the Ipswich party,
having been atij6aTned over to Friday, in order that
the House might have time to acquaint itself with do-
cuments which at present are only in the hands of Mr.
AGLIONBY, and some other Members of the Com-
mittee of investigation. We hope that the result of
the adjourned discussion will be such as shall do jus-
tice to the deserts of Messrs. CLIPPERTON and
KElTH—the former especially, since, according to
Mr. AGLIONBY, " it was at his house that all the
parties met, to form plans for absenting themselves and
not appearing before the Committee. CLIPPERTON
supplied both Cool( and PILGRIM (' the old and
faithful clerk') with money for the purpose, which
he placed to the account of Mr. KELLY."
From this, it would appear that CLIPPER-
TON was a main agent in the Ipswich busi-
ness ; and, of course, it is but just and fitting that
his case should receive the full, unflinching attention
that is due to one having authority in such an affair.
His very " respectability" demands this consideration
at the hands of the House. It would be a grievous
affront—and one that he would, no doubt, take much
to heart—were his
_case to be allowed to slip too
hastily out of the recollection of Hon. Members. We
are great advocates for respectable men being repect-
ably treated, particularly in electioneering matters.
In the brief discussion that took place last night on
the subject, much angry feeling was elicited. On
Mr. WASON opposing the discharge of CLIP-
PERTON, as he was in duty bound to do, Lord
DARLINGTON thought fit to accuse him of being
influenced by " vindictive motives," on which a
" very pretty quarrel" was got up between the
parties, who flung the lie direct from one to
the other, with a zeal that at one, time threatened no-
thing less than an excursion to Chalk-farm, with
" coffee and pistols for two." Luckily, however, by
the apt intervention of the SPEAKER, peace was re-
stored ; but not till the business of the House had
been suspended for full half an hour and upwards.
Really these squabbles, which are now of almost
nightly occurrence, are very ridiculous—very unworthy
the dignity of a Reformed Parliament. If Hon.
Members can only speak to quarrel, far better that they
held their tongues ; and if this be too great a sacrifice
on their parts, that they resigned their seats ; for we
are quite sure their Constituents never sent them into
the House, in order that they might bounce and splutter,
like parched peas on a hob.
On the present occasion, however, one only, of the
two gentlemen concerned, was to blame. Mr. WASON
did nothing more than his duty in opposing CLIP-
PERTON'S discharge ; consequently Lord DARLING-
TON had no right to object to his conduct,
that it it was influenced by " vindictive motives."
Were such charges to be allowed to be made with
impunity, there would be an end at once to all rational
discussion. If they be put forth in order to show
valour, they are perfectly superfluous, for every one
knows how they will end. Their rise, progress, and
termination are as unvarying as the seasons. In the
first place, the Hon. Member who is, or fancies him-
self, aggrieved, takes up his hat and walks off, while
his antagonist does the same ; secondly, just as both
parties have reached the door, the SPEAKER calls
them back ; and, lastly, mutual friends explain, con-
vinced that there was " no intention to be personal,"
and so forth ; when, after looking becomingly savage
at each other for a few seconds, a gleam of complacency
creeps over the visages of the two belligerents, and
down they both sit, just as calm, and innocent, and
peaceful, as if they had never entertained the
idea of pistolling each other into another world I
Such is the way in which, in nine cases, out of ten,
personal differences are settled in the House of Com-
mons. How absurd, then, for Hon. Members to give
way to them on every trivial occasion I If they must
show,,courage, let them show it by their votes, in a
resolute hostility to that anti-national party which,
when it cannot overcome its opponents by argument,
attempts to scare them from their course of manly pa-
triotism, by threatening them with a loss of caste among
the elite of fashion..

We have received the whole of the Paris papers of
Tuesday. The Parisians have already commenced
preparations for celebrating the anniversary of the
" three glorious days I" The following telegraphic
despatch was posted up on the Bourse by order of the
Government

" General Harispe to the Home Minister.
" The action on the Itith is confirmed. It took place on
both banks of the Arga, at Lyrraya and Artajona. On the
left bank the Carlists were thrown back upon Legarda, on the
right bank they retired to Oteiza, and Don Carlos to Estella.
Cordova caused them to be reconnoitred on the 17th. The
result k not yet known.
" It is the third battalion of Castille that has gone over to
the Christinos.
" BANDESSON DE RICIIEBOURG."

The above contains the only well-authenticated in-
telligence from the Spanish frontier ; but there are
various rumours afloat which ascribe still greater sue
cess to the Christinos. The arrival of the British
auxiliaries has inspired the QUEEN'S troops with hopes
of an early triumph over all their enemies. They
now begin to fight in good earnest, so that the Carlists
are every where driven to act upon the defensive.

Several of the Paris journals, in commenting upon
the late pretended plot for the assassination of Louis
PHILIPPE, leave it to be inferred that the sham con-
spiracy was hatched by Royalty itself, in order that
it might have a plausible pretext to offer the dupes of
July for the establishment of a R oyal body-guard to
protect the sacred person of the Sovereign of the
FRENCH. In our opinion this surmise of, the Paris
journalists is substantially correct. Nor does it mili-
tate against our previous statement, to the effect that
the CITIZEN KING hoped thereby to alarm the public
mind, and, by reflecting fresh odium on the Prisoners
of April, lead the more orderly to adjudge their punish-
ment, whatever it might be, well merited. The KING
is evidently wearied of the trammels which the Re-
publicans of July imposed upon him. He is not
satisfied with being a King unless all the world knows
it, by seeing the eminence on which he stands apart,
inspiring awe and terror into the minds of all below
him. The Emperor NICHOLAS has 'guards, so has
the Emperor of AUSTRIA and the King of PRUSSIA,
and CIIARLES X. had guards before the Revolution.
Why then should LOUIS PHILIPPE be without
them, especially as the only objection to their
appointment is their being merely unconstitutional ?
We understand that considerable progress has al-
ready been made in the appointment of this new
force, which is to be made up of a certain number of
men picked out of all the cavalry regiments. A pat-
tern of the uniform of the Royal Guards is reported
to have been submitted to the Minister of War, dif-
fering from those worn by any regiment in Europe.
The French journals contain a report of the defeat