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_pursue ? I county. Now the ancient system of voting in this country into office. (Cheeersg.i.ea
that view he had suggested that, before passing the second He could not join with hon. gentlemen who had attributed changes. There were imperfections in that act. In the first . the British constitutionto be serambledfor at everY hustings inerlY said, but rather t° retain the freehold franchise of fmd an im artial eu He - • -*
have arisen-d ands like those of which Mr. Burke spoke
reading, they should adopt the resolution he had put upon unworthy motives to the noble lord ;on the contraehy, he place, that „t excluded f-„m the franchise those of a cer_ i the kingdom ?Is that the „urse which
ta Con„rvative those persons who now had votes in the borough and the on more than or? IT*
(It aaesion since the Ministry came
when he said that "an early Refo Bill san hone - ble
ngement with an opposing power, and a late Reform the paper, declaring----" That while this house having, at deeply regretted that such imputations had ever beent
crroeven tein amount of property and intelligence in
ftITI
the opening.of the present session of Parliament, in answer out. (Hear, hear.) Still, while giving the noble lord 0
wdit eivelyhigher classes of society, whoe yeeere_paereecisy u 1
h e 'lb' t did then coitilrif ttheey woold.l layeecou d,
_and dotnrot think was, that every man should vote accordina• to his pro- public affairs a vote of want of el‘r
olinistry had misconclucted
Bill was a dishonourable capitulation with a conquering n e maPiafiretd-
dence would be a manly
re, tend lauula e)I de peity for the locality in-which he possessed it.''That was the motion. (Cheers.) If that t.
to her Majesty's most gracious speech from the throne, for the highest motives, he could not help asking wht as in every respect for the err
fa' et"eh Ilh IV
ti Ifu ty tb le yhw 'f' th t( !no eon is to be made, the noble
enemy." It was because he desired to see the dangers of this
assured her Majesty that they would give to the great sub- to give them a Reform Bill if the present Governmen could not neverthel„s possess .e ec nic qua ca on o occu-, no as ye e ieve tat i a was thele intentron that this law from the time of Henry VI. to the time of George lord had noth• t d ' h
latter policy avoided, beca he desired to see c "ed into
ject of the state of the laws which regulate the representa- not ? (Cheers.) In what part of the house could they com- pying a 110 house. That imperfection, I aincrfectly ready house would not be wiserthan they. m et], not feel stronger 11. A good deal had been said during the pre- their co d t ing o o wit it-it was a manly step, and if
effect a polk which was at o ce truly liberal and truly
tion of the people in Parliament that degree of calm and mand a majority on any question, least of all on this? (Loud to admit,. this bill is calculated to remedy. ( ear,hear.) I than they might feel the duty of parliament and Govern- sent discussion of the importance of diversity of suffrage ; sion of n_ uechowasse so improper, he had no doubt the deci-
eon ativeythat he should ;ate for flee resolution, t t-
ing thanthe result would be the maryina of a m of impartial consideration which is proportionate to the mag- cheers.) Who was to lee their leader ? They were apt to do not join in the sneering !,aunts which have been thLown n,lent Ywards the constitution of the country ; but I believe but the noble lord was the very person who by his Reform
ranter
asthm u d would be one consistent with their cha-
reform which would, be an honour to- thii, parli ent that nitude of the interests involved in the result of their dis- look to the noble lord the member for Tiayseedone He hed out against what are calledalifiticiae !alley flrr :celhieteso."th (trar, ttlisittaLmNsvonextew.ould.nost lend its aid te a cofurliie which it Bill destroyed so many various kinds 9f suffrage, and recom- house, and leene' an
.wtould maintain the independence of the
passed 't d *ty fth wisd d temperance of cussions, they will without delay proceed to the considera- done him (Mr. Wortley) the honour to krthimdto join heer.) Some of those qu l
(lions veld
hmt t era
I fined- I find t Vurtiou to theiilushtutions oht
de. countFy. mended Parliament to destroy no less than 250,000 40s. (Loud cheer amen ent with the interests of the country.
1, an a secure or e om an
tion of the measures laid before them by her Majesty's re- his Government, and he had felt both ae libe yan happy clue many who are now exc u ed,
an w 0
are
qua i am con en , t ere ore, that t e belief in t e issolution freeholders in Ireland who were never guilty of any crime, M E 8.)
Parliaments to come. (Cheers.) but that this house is of opinion that to do so but he had felt at the same time that in his new by their station in life to exercise it. (Hear, hear.) Another whichhas been so much bandied all over the town by mem- and who voted according to their consc• ce (Hear r. . JAMES moved the adjournment of the debate
Mr. 11;DRUNIMOND considered it a very great misfor- sPensetiltalee aedvit seors
f ;Ilis question will be acceptable to the position'he should not be arrayed against his ancient friends point in which they would naturally have found the arrange- bers of the Government, high and low, is only an attempt Having tried this experiment in corporleevßii• jU----", hear.) • Lord PALMERSTON thereupon rose and said-u.I wis*h
tune that they should all be mystified and at cross-purposes, peo
no sple,l
orarelinduring in Its character, which does not pro- On the question of reform. (Cheers.) He had felt assured ment of 1832 defective was that the occuUation franchise in' to renew that which was done last year. It is only a vain had now turned round and said that it was. u,nteoensnLbltoliaoradl
ato
ilay one word with reference to the statement of the hon.
scarcely any one knowing whether he was speaking on a vide, either by modifying the present bill in committee or that the noble lord would Propose a reasonable, sensible, the counties was Placed too high. Tney would natu- threat for the PurPose of influencing members. (Hear.) not to destroy but te reeulate the mode of oeseee ,a,„ __....,._. onvle
rarn/ gentleman on the subject of the mission of M.
wth regard to Lombardy. (Hear, hear.) He did
prinUipie or on a detail, or wheth„ there was a principle or a otherwise, for maintaining the censtitutional distinction Conservative bin---ustng tileearrni emservative as con- rallY, therefore, Put in their bill a ProviSion for lower- Then ;.there is another course that they might pursue, (Cheers.) Such was the argument up„ tr;7cse,r"Le 'o'f"‘e
no, d
n )He had seen the noble ing that county franchise. Some might have agreed which is that they might abandon the bill. Ido not formity and on th 1 f the nest' t propose that Lombardy should be made • d
an in ependent
between the county and borough suffi•ages, for the preser- trasted with Tory.b 11. eaw o q lon. The noble lord kingdom, but that it should b
(the side of him whom i his (Mr to the a t ro osed b Mr Henle £2O- think that the will aband U. La ht I d t e elected into a separate dnchy
detail in the bill. It had been asked why thebill was introduced.
- G vation of the freehold franchises hitherto exercised in the lord standing firTt a= _ n, n . monn p p . y . . y, b yf
en 1 (
ug
er.) ono had applauded the pri„ipal provision of this bill and said connected *th h
Why, because it was forced upon the overnmenn, who counties of England and Wales, and for a more extensive Wortley s) po
' htical hero-worship, he had always looked (ckeers from the Government side)-others might have een suspect them o such a want of due sense of the duty it would add 390,000 to the franchise of England,' a
nd then Mr WHITE
wi t e Austrian empire. (Hear, hear.) •
brogght it in to keep themselves in their places. (Laughter right of voting therein, as well as for a re-adjustment on with the utmost veneration-namely, mr. canning, the in favour of placing it at um At the same time I must which theY have to Perform-Om:l'e laughter)-as t° made a minor clause the foundation of his muddy resolu- teoeft SIDE, speaking across the table, was under-
from the Opposition.) And now, what was the opposition on of the sueerage and its wider extension, in cities great champion of our conatitution. (Cheers.) In ISee he concur in the statement that that £lO franchise for counties believe that they would abandon the bill after having tion, and insinuated that that was its main principle. The is m oissatearice" Then I raust have been mistaken," or "It
?It triangular duel, the question beine and boroughs, tlian is contemplated in the present bill." had seen the noble lord contented with the bile and think- never has been confirmed by this house. The last bill was deliberately undertaken to propose .to Pailiament a mea- noble lord WaS the parent of Parliainentary reform. He Tlemdebat ''
the other side was a
(Hear, hear.) That was the substanee of his resolution, but ing thatit went quite far enough. In 1854 there was some read a second time ; but I voted for the second reading dis- sure of Parliamentary Reform. My conviction, I will had bills of all sorts, shapes, and dimensions. He had bins PATENTS e was then adjourned until Monday next,
Ird hul
which one of three noble o s s o d be at the head of
the fo sof the house would not allow it to compete with displacement in the Cabinet. The noble lord separated him- tinctly because it did not identify the county and borough not say has been, but my conviction all along has in 1852 and 1854, and carried neither. He thou h
g t the FOR INVENTIONS (MUNITIONS OF
affairs. There were many gentlemen in that house who took
that of the noble lord, but which he should have the oppor- self for a short time from his colleagues ; and it was under_ franchises but simply professed to lower or amend the law been that if this house were by a majority to affirm the Government ought not to carry a bankruptcy bill, and WAR) BILL.
credit for being independent members ; but somehow or . .
t ty of mo •gas an amendment, if the noble lord's stood that the disagreement was on the question of reform, in regard ?to the county franchise ; and it was left open to principles involved in the resolution of meenoble friend, the brought in one, and put it side by side with the Govern- This bill was passed through committee.
other he never perceived that these independent members
(Russell) should come to be put as the main question. He and on tne subject of the bill which the noble lord (Lord discussion in committee, just as are all the points in the bill Government would feel it their duty to go on with their bill. ment bill. But he had produced no bill with respect to MUNICIPAL ELECTIONS BILL.
acted at all differently from the dependent members. (Loud
t ted, however, that that necessity would not arise, and J. Russell) had introduced. (B ear, hear.) He (Mr. before the house. (Hear, hear.) As to the borough fran- And I should ask no engagement on their part to adopt the Parliamentary reform. He defied an tll fro
y man to e m the Th
This bill was read a third time and passed.
laughter.) He could not understand why they were on that
he saw some symptoms which led him to believe it likely- Wortley) had felt therefore satisfied that they would have chise, I confess that for a considerable time I entertained a resolution, because the power of the majority which carried noble lord's speech what his opinions were. (Hear, hear ) e other orders were then disposed of, and the house
occasion obliged to range themselves with one or other of (‘‘ oh, oh,,)___eor in the course of the debate, and in those from the noble lord's (Lord Palmerston's) Government strong' opinion that the 11) franchise ought to be main- the resolution would compel them to adopt it, and, therefore, It had been said, what business had aT ry Goy m„'t adjourned at ten minutes to one o'clock.
the combatanes instead of taking the independent line. He
conversationswhich occurred between members in the lobby, no violent measure of reform. But if he did not intro- tained ; but lam free to admit, on farther consideration- it would be childish to direct any threats to them. lam to introduce a Reform Bill ? Mr. Pitt broueeht in a Reform
jaimseif weuld not vote under a mask ; he would state at
and the „mmunications which occasionally took place be- duce a violent measure, what hope would he now have (cheers from the Government side)-that it would be a good satisfied they would not so far shrink from a performance Bill, and advocated it twice and thri„ ov ", dh h nid
er , an e s o
once that if-the measure went into committee he should
t them out of the house, it was admitted by hon gen- of finding a majority ? (Hear, hear.) Such being the case, Conservative measure to lower it, so as to admit the better of their duty as to reject a resolution which had been tifs be glad to know whether, according to the true principle COUNTRY MA.RKSTB
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vote with the noble lord (J. Russell). Ally Reform Bill weer'
tlemen that the resolution of the noble lord had got'them he (Mr. Wortley) hoped the noble lord's vote would not be and more instructed part of the working men. (Hear, hear.) firmed by the house. But if I had entertained any doubts of Conservative policy, the present Government were not
must as it appeared to him consist of three parts-first an
-n ' " into confusion, and that the result would probably be to de- recorded in favour of the amendment. (Cheers.) Last year, This bill, no doubt, contains arrangements which, indepen -on this subject they would have been entirely- removed by as well entitled to bring in a measure of Pl.
ar mmentary ree . *-
extension of the franchise ; secondly, the disfranchisement
feat the intention with which it was brought forward. when a resolution was proposed by au hon. gentleman (Mr. dently of any lowering, would have a tendencyto admit the candid explanations of the Secretary to the Treasury. form, and carry las the bl 1 d •
no e or ,if they considered LIVERPOOL-Maa 2.5
..ere .
of some places which had members •, thirdly, the giving of (Hear.) He confessed he was startled at the statement of M. Gibson) the neble lord had no difficulty in perceiving- some of those classes. Ido not join with those who think He has stated that every part of the bill is liable to altera- such ara -1 ' •
easure to be just, expedient, and useful ? (Rear We had only a small attendance of bu ers at k t
y our mar e
members to some other places. Whether they should este- k
the Chancellor of the Exchequer, afterwards repeated by the the object which had dictated it. (Hear.) Unfortunately that the deposit in savings banks would be a null provision, tion according to the decision of the house in committee. hear.) What was the ground on which th bill i to-day and businese alt gth ' • '
e was not to o e er was fiat. Wheat in some
blish aeuniform franchise of £lO, or go down to universal
noble lord the Secretary for India, that the identity between on that occasion that motion received the support of the (Hear, hear.) But, nevertheless, and in addition to them, From that assertion, coupled with the declaration of the be considered ? The oble lord admitted that it would add instanCes sold at a trifle less money, but generally speaking
suffrage-whether they should disfranchise 13 boroughs or
the county and borough franchise was the principle of the gentlemen who now eat on the ministerial side of thehouse, my opinion is that some reduction ought to be made in the Chancellor of the Exchequer yesterday, it is practically im- 390,000 to the constitilnc Th ed ' holders were not incl. ed **
30-whether they should give 10 or 20 members to places
bill. It was evident that the noble lord (J. Russell) was as well as of the hon. gentleraan (Mr. Gibson) and the noble amount of the £lO borough franchise. (Hear, hear.) I possible that the Government can recedo, and therefore I freehold franchise was Jo.
45 eoroo zrn of the borough
0,000. On "which rates of last market dine to submit to any reduction on the
lour was little inquired for, and
which now had none was only a question of degree ; it had
not of that opinion, or to be consistent he must have pro_ lord the member for the City. (Hear.) But the noble lord feel quite as forcibly as others that you ought not, by ad- hold them bound to conform to the decision which the house side would be the benefit anneal ads', ta
an. ge to the public ? He must be noted lower tc),csl Indian corn attracted little
nothing whatever te'do with the principle of the bill. As
osed throwing out the bill by the ordinarY amendment of (Lord Palmerston) had no difficulty, at that time, in descry- mitting• a large maeoritY of the least instructed of the coin- may make on the motion of my noble friend. And if any had received a letter from a person in '
the district of Mry attention d 11 d • •
,an a eseriptions of yellow are quoted fully
be remarked many years ago, he did not see how they were P
that d • onths. He (Mr. S. Wortley) had read the ing the object of the motion, if those who now sat on the munity, and of those who have the least property, to over- gentlemen have entertained a doubt that the passing lebone stati th t • a- - ld
ay SIX In , .ngst a , with a £l5 frauehlse, two-thirds per cental lower than on this day se'nnight • hit •
to put anlimit to the franchise. He did not care about slang h 'cl tit of fhi•th M' ' "al bhh d F h t (I'd th bl Id-9hl th • fl eof i t ll'e ct t lamf th Ite thi tit f
bill, and could not find tatl en y rano se nas e mister, one ea a . or wa , enoe or say.. wem e in uenc n e nence an proper y. o is reso u 'on may cause s oppor un y o set- of the artisans in that district would ha '
ve votes. If held for the advance of ld. 0 t , W ols
a s and oatmeal dull, and the
terms. ousehold suffrage, rating suffrage, and manhood
principle, and 99 out of 100 would read it through without He told the house it would be idle to suppose that if the quite ready to admit that it is not merely ienorance that tling this great question to be lost, I entreat these gentle- that were so, how could -- y a turn easier E t• b
argem that the bill - • gyp, ian eans are ld to 2d per cental lower.
suffrage were, he supposed, all intended to ensure the identity
-messing that it was. (Hear.) He considered the identity amendment were carried theY could go back to discuss the ought to be excluded ; but that those who have no pro- men to discharge that apprehension from their minds, be- did not deserve equelderatioant? InHile considered the admis- reas and barley without change.
of the voter ; and therefore the question was simply one of e
of franchise a bad feature of the bill, but it was but a fea- second reading of the bill ; for there could only be one perty ought not to be the Persons to direct the legislation cause I say that the Government are now pledged to the Fon ee the ri i l f
p nc p e o personal property a ve.
Ise and just The arrivals from Ireland and c t • •
oas wise since Tuesday
machinery. With rega , • e
rd to thebailot thoueh notbing could t.
turn and no more cons Anted the pnnciple than any other interpretation placed upon the motion. So he (Mr. Wort- applicable to those who have. (Hear.) :Subject to these declaration made in this honse-ere pledged, notwitlestand- principle. et must admit man, filo ' s' have bee li ht. ' Fro f •
usands of persons, and ~,,75 n g m ()ruin ports we have received
ever induce him to gwe a secret vote, he believed that if the feattire, The objection he elite' tained to the noble lord's ley) said of the present resolution-its only object was provisions, lam Perfectly convinced that a reduction might ing the decision of the house, to go on with the bill, and to therefore the benefit was on th'
e side of the übli
p c. But it 1 0 qrs wheat, ;445 rs Indian corn and 1 375 ks li
q . , , -sac our.
suffrage were extended so as to admit the working classes the
If n was that it professed one thing and did another lainl to defeat the settlement of the Reform uestion be made, and -I think ought to be made in the borough alter it in committee in accordance with the resolution. had been said, " What h The ex o ts, in the same time com rise' 3
reso uio d d • P Y q • ave you done for th -•
e working , P ,871 qrs of wheat,
fo th ' t t' S f the
ballot would be necessary r eir pro ec ion. oar as (Cheers.) It professe not to estroy the bill, but it would Lord J. RUSSELL-The settlement of the Reform ques- franchise. (Hear, hear.) There is anouler point to which And if they do not choose to do that, they will be forced to classes ?" The noble lord wold • 3 205 P r •
u admit a few ca able and , qrs. oats, 275 qrs. Indian corn, 1,653 sacks and 128
debate had gone, it had made entirely in favour of the hon. .
nave that effect. (Hear, hear.) It admitted the principle tion in this way ? (Cheers.) the attention of the Government would naturally be directed do it, (Cheers.) On other points on which objections may worthy men-very few, no dbt P barrels of flour.
ou . Another noble lord
member for Birmingham. He had only to sit still, and in five
of the bill, and worse, it &emitted the ,rincinie ef the mr. S. WORTLEY had been arguing that there was no -the question whether some transference of seats ought not be raised they are ready, as tliey repeatedly told us, to prove would admit them en fnasse. The bon memb r
e for Old- -
years the house must swallow his bill. They would have identity of the franchise_(bear hear)f_far the noble other way. (ailed cheers.) He did not mean to say that to be made from some of the smaller constituencies to those their case. That is a matter for the committee. No doubt ham would deal with th • •
em m the same way as the slaves WAKEFIELD-Maneee 25.
to eat the leek, whether it were good or bad for their di-
lord's resolution only referred to 'the rights of the free- there was n° °ther scheme ; but there was no other party in places which have either grown into importance since 1832, will arise with regard to these points, and the onlydifficulty were dealt with, a.
nd admit thein at once T •
he nght hon.
gestion. The hen. member had taunted the country gen- holders and the requirement of a further extension of the house that could carry one. (Renewed cheers.) But or which by their immense increase Of !Ponnlation have which is apprehended with regard to the two questions- has member for Halifax neeld . • Moderate supplies of ai f h
admit them to some extent. gr n rom t e coast and by railway
this week. The wheat trade is fi
tlemen with being afraid of the working classes. He (Mr.
the borough franchise. The resolution of the noble now with regard to the noble lord the member for the• City, become toe large for a single representative. The bill con- been met. I have said it is not my intention to go into the what the rieht lion- eea
gent eman said was deserving of eon. rm to-day, and the bum-
Drummond) was no more afraid of the working classes than
lord was therefore illogical according to his own view. But what was his position ? He (Mr. Wortley) well remem- tains a provision for that purpose, and lam not disposed to abstract question. I thank my noble friend for having sicle ti ef b--
ra on, rst, amuse he was afraid of the workine nests done • •
was very limited, at an advance of fully la
of 0 on last week's prices Fine E •
of any other class. But were they not, in fact, all afraid the bill had good in it, and it had bad in it. The good he bered what the noble lord said with reference to the motion quarrel with the Government for the limited extent of that moved the resolution which hag drawn the attention of classes ; secondly be
eause he spoke not unkindly of the nglish barley scarce, and
one another ? When a manufacturer selected one of his men
(Mr. S. Wortley) would preserve and incr ee and the bad a General Gasecdfne in 18P- The motisn was not pro- provision. (Hear, hear ) lam of opinion that a gTeat mis- the house pointedly to the two principles which, if they Government • '
, and thirdl be dear. Beans and • •
other articles unch g d
y, cause he spoke reasonably, wheat, f .a" "
and made him head-overseer of his works, did he not take_
he would strike out. The first good in the bill, as it oc• nosed as an amendment,t° tnaeecond reading of the Reform take and much wrong reasoning prevails with reaard to the had remained in the bill, would have prevented Sae oppor- The right hon. gentleman would admit a fair proportion of per qr. o 8 bushels 601 b , Essex, S ff 11c, and
Kent, white, old, 478 to"49s ; niew,*4sB to 48s u e
security. (No.) Did he not take it if there was any potr
if curred to him, was, that from first to hist it made no men- bill, and, s° far, a was les,! euJeePonable in Point of form smaller constituencies. (Hear,--hear.) The large towns are tunity of settling this question. I agree with those on the the working classes, and that •
roposition he could ; ditto, red,
bility of getting it ? (No.) Did the house suppose r
ands tion of the ballot (e Hear," and u Oh.") There were than the Present one. eeenerai Gascoigne did not raise a field where men who live in those communities, who have other side of the house, and especially with the hon. gen- stand and reciprocate, but notP their wader- old 41s to 43s ; new, 39i to 428 ; Lincolnshire and York-
the working classes got all the power into their ow-n .
' rumo • nd osition in commerce and tiernan wos ok
urs in the autumn that there was to be some attempt any objection to the Principle of the bill ; his motion was acquired wealth, character, a p h p e last, and I should have looked with A. complaint had been made again t 11. • h • •
admission eu mane •' •
shire white, new, 41s to 458 ; red, 38s to 40s.
den of taxation to s is ne t lion fn
0 . end
they would not transfer the whole bur _ fto deal with this subject in the Government bill, but he re- merely an instruction to the committee, and was intended to manufactures, are naturally the objects of the choice of those great concern at those agitations which 'might have gone the Secretary for the Colonies with res Averages for the week :
others e Why of course they would ; and every one o .
oiced to find that the word " ballot" did not occur in it. indicate what the parts of the measure were to which he constituencies. The counties on the other hand are fields on during the ensuing autumn and went r • pect to the exclusion
e in eveiy county of the working classes. What his right hon frie d ' Wheat 2,261 qrs., at . 41s 4d
. d ' lth gh they seemed so very J tl f 1 ded ' tl ' t d - - n said
them would o the same a on He was glad to find that there was no attempt to trifle with objected. But 71,:uat said Lord Althorn ? Ile said that the where gen emen o an property, gen emen connec e and borough in the kingdom. I presume there is no man was tp caution the house ' t '' e • 8ar1ey......... 452 ,
' n posing half-a-dozen of agains raisin, hopes and ex- , . 373 sid
much shocked. (Laughter.) uP , that which he considered to be a delusion and a hateful de- amendment woula uestroYithe bill. And what did the noble with county concerns, naturally expect to find seats in this in this house who has taken an interest in this matter who t•
pecta ions that could not be satisfied • : Oats
an one of them had . , but he never said - 19 --8 -d
them were travelline through a desert, a. house. But there is a lar e amount of intellieence of has not en in a '
vice-(hear, hear )-and he believed that if it were estab- lord (Lord J. Russell) himself say ?He said " the motion g . . . . ~, , b e und ted with plans of Parliamentary ieform. and never meant to s • • , Rye
he remainin five had none
got 'a camel-load of food, and t g
' lished for a year it would be as unpopular in Eneneland as it was a Piece of ParliamentarY tactics, brought forward, in. knowledge, of capacity of education residine, m classes of There is not a day on which we do not receive from some tho m ay, that he nailed resistance to -
ast, and would give nothing to the workin 1 Beans - 71
55 „ -d
woUld not the five help themselves the very first day ? d •th ' th n n ' th oilier of these-
e was in every place where it had been apPlied. The right deed, h_r_,Pe li_,°ll. and, gallant general, but concocted by men include lee' er in eoe or e correspondent some written paper or printed pamphlet- The provisions of the bill d ' •g c asses. 438 91-d
Peas
(Laughter.) It might soun
d very well to talk of t
e. hon. member for Oxfordshire the other night remarked how mere wily auvisers-lioun cheers)-by which an attempt (hear, hear)--and these small boroughs, whatever may be some plan of his. And if this question were hung up for the workin 1 prove an intention to admit .... 28 „ 4OB Od
to the rich • but
ferring taxation from the poor , there was a
painful it was to go about for a month or two wearing a was made to bring to'ether all the enemies of the bill, and the theoretical objections urged against them, are fields in public discussion for the next twelve mo t led t tblk g
n ns„ ne no , grea u of those who h
c asses. In the City of London, the -
fallacy involved in such language. There could be no em-
ask Establish the ballot and everY. man in England to entrap such of its 'friends as might be dupes and gulls" which men of that description, who have been most useful in lam sure, goint out to the house the public mconvenince be admitted. Bt th ad no houses would EXETER-Maneu 25.
he accumular • ' m '
ployment of the poor without t ion of capital,
nld k(C C h )It ould de- --(loud cheers)-and then the noble lord warned the house the deliberations of this house may obtain access ao Parlia- which would ari elth f 1 t- h d d •
s . ere ore can on y repea my ope uce a bill that admitted an
u e noble lord. had never pro. An average attendance. M f
wo wear a mas . onserva ive c eers. w any o the samples were in
and nothing tended more than that did to benefit the poor (Hear, hear.) And ',think that it would be a great and expectation that this resolution will be carried by a ma- house to ref ' y, and now he called upon the better condition, and at an improvement in •
- B- •ha • • troy public morality and public responsibility, and encou- not to fall into the snare. He (Mr. Wortley) hoped the ment. use to discuss a _clause that t • prices.
The hon. member for irming m said that the strength s e but men connected with •ri
ee every man to deceive his neighbour. The whele nale Iffd wspuld see the Present amendment ln the same misfortune if, on the one hand, non .Jo ty, which 1 ara quite sure is adequate to express the greater or lesser number-to discuss the cl mus admit a Wheat, white..ss Od to 58-2 d I Barleir. 48 Od to 48 3cl
and glory of t is
h' countrylay in its manufactures. He added, ran
e system of the ballot was foreign to our institutions, and ab- light; for had he any p ,
ho e either with or without the aid commerce and manufactures should be returned to this opinion of Paliament and there ca b dbt t ause relating to D'
, ne no ou wha ever savings banks and lodgers, which w • f - lit° red 48 9d to 5s Od I Oats ....... 28 10d te 38 Od
" See how they beat all the manufactures of the world. h •f h h b t h b ur • -
Bill e ouse or 1 on teot er none u men w o y pec iar cir- that the measure will be so fram ere in avour of the
horrent to the genius of the people. There was positive as of the hon. gentlemen around him, to carry a Reform . , , . , ed as to be in accordance working classes. (Hear, hear.) He had considered Flour, fine, 30s to 31s ; seconds, 278 to 288 per sack.
Viet was not true. There was not a single manufacture IX h t f • •
h ) Had the hon. member forßirmingham any hope? eumstances have acqnired a great pu ic c arac er-as, oi with the plineiples laid down by m noble friend. Cheers att • = most
that was net better in foreign countries than in England. well as negative good in the bill. There was thetextensiof cc Ts ( .) entwely the observation of his right hon. friend (Mr Corren-The market was fairly supplied with stock.
Th eeh
*cl 11 hdf th h tl ' 'b"11 bt h instance, the hon. awl learned member for Sheffield, who Mr WHITESIDE •cl th. Y 1
of the county franchise. Putting aside the ques ion as o ey a a ear o e on. gen eman si , u e ap- sai no mg eon dbe more ungrateful Walpole) that the reduction of the franchise from £5O to £lO The attendance of farmers (rood Ple 1
(Oh, oh.) Those were sounds which were never heard in has no articuler tion with Sheffield, but who owes th * d b . or carcases a arge
the 40s. freeholds, there was the reduction of the copyhold peared to be very timorous of exposing it to the atmosphere . p . . Fo.nnee an to well on the vices of the system under which they would be daneerous and unconstitutional ; and he had suPPIY•
Manchester or Birmingham. (Laughter.) With all their by I h uld h '
and the leasehold franchises from £lO to 1,5, both of which of that house, and he had not allowed even a corner of it to his seat to his Position as a leu lc man- B 0 say tat lived, and to point out rather its abuses than to dwell listened with e' -
Arkwright inventions, and their spinning-jennies, they had 't was a great misfortune if the house only contained men on its excellencies The wer t some surprise to the remark of the ri ht hon Fat beef, p score,losod to 118 Ewes, per lb ....-d to eid
would extend the number of voters, and there was the great peep. out. (Laughter.) It was the little mouse which had 1 y e aught by a philosopher gentleman (Mr. Cardwell), that th uld b g • Pork carcasea do 780 d to 8s Od Wth d Id Od
e ers, 0.... .. 7 to
never to this day been able to make such muslins as were h d ' ' h) dif th • •
extension of all, the reduction of the occupation franchise run into h, is Poeket, and which he took care not to let escape. of tat escuption-(a iaug _an ere were no means called divine that they should deal with their country as freedom in England if this fra seer° wo eno more Lambs, per lb. Od to Od Fat calves, do ....5d to 6d
made by the native Hindoos. The linen of En land was
from 150 to £lO, a step he had always considered danger- (Renew°, laugnter-) Ne man could better explain his views, by which young men who had not had the opportunity of they dealt with their parents, " with entreaty and persua- prevail in counties, and that neehi in boroughs should Rongh fat, 4ed per lb.
worse than that of Scotland, the linen of Scotlagnd worse
ous, and which he had always voted against. Then with ,or Put tdem me .a more attractive form. He had done his acquiring distinction, or making themselves sufficiently re- sion, but not by contestation." Chatham and Burke, and to the maintenance of rb Yuri
_ty of suffrage was essential
than that of Ireland , and the best Irish linen was •tuencies could find '
regard to boroughs, there was the lodger franchise., which °est to auvance ms Project of reform. He had been listened markable to be elected by large consh , Pitt and Fox, had failed every one of them to carry a mea- in that ? (La ht ) 'What
1 erty. Now was there
, any sense ----
BRISTOL SUGAR-Kennel 25.
ug en would become of the people
inferior to that of* Sil •
esut. veNo," from Mr. Kirk.)
would widen the circle of representation and bring in thou- to; he had been judged ; and the result was that the people . 7
their wa into this house. (Hear.) If the Government ob- sure of Parli mentar Refo
~ . a y rm, and why ? Because the of Ireland ? There was a £l2 ' - ' The transactions are few and h
' Their cloth manufacture was in erior to those of France h h 2 had orked d X •
sands of voters ; and there were the annuitants (which was would not have his bill. (Loud cheers.) The hon. gentle. serving ow t 0 act of 183 w ,an iscovermgan it mind of the nation was never with them. Tf they could for whole of Ireland. I b occupation clause for the t ose at 'rather lower rates.
dB 1 • Th • hip inf • tth F h d
an e glum. eir a s were enor o e renc ,an
open to further extension in committee), the savings bank man was proud of the title of Tribune of the Peop , .
le which these different imperfections and faults, had addressed them- a moment look at the rinci lee of le n oroughs there was a refine of SP The trade generally is dull, there being no assortment at
p p.. Par iamentary reform which was equivalent to a £lO o 111 l *•
" *'`'' is t Rfi ' d th •
American ships. (Oh, ob.) Some of the best they had dt th ft' I dft
depositors, and the personal or professional franchises, had been well given to him, for he had been their active selves to aPPIY a reme Y 0 °se Pa lcu ar eecB, mY that the great statesmen to whom he had referred illustrated cording ta th •ht r ettmg. Now ac- mai e . e ners goo s are ra er easier, the demand not
were ca tured d • h • d h th t "ed t
P unng t e last war ,an wen ey n o
which would bring in a great many mere. Looking at and their honest advocate. (Cheers) But it had happened opinion is, if their measure had been framed in a reasonable by the splendour of their eloquence, the Id tr-
y won iscover struck at e rig hon. gentleman if a balance eloould be
£lO the liberties of the eo 1 being at all active. Rum quiet. Prices steady.
lay vessels down on the same lines in this country they . d sufficiently liberal to secure the concurrence what e
these provisions, it was impossible to saY that there was n° t° him as it had ha_PPened to the Tribunes of old. The manner, an . . . oueht to be the principles on which this question- (Laughter.) Now did the h ,P. P e welii.d be gone.
ass ey were en y once, pain, an
could not. In gl th be,at b V • S d urage • they respected of those who are attached to the constitution, but who wish should be popularly discussed They said '
extension of the franchise-it was a wilful closing of their people admired his eloquence and co , . . . it should be en- been brought in framed in th
ouse believe tleat if a bill had
Bohemia They were told the other day that their best
eyes, to say that they could see no enlargement of the suf- his honesty ; but they would not have his bill. (Cheers.) If to see it strengthened by improvement, that the fol- tertained where the undue influence of the Crown was exer- right hon gentl e manner suggested by the RAILTVAY .INTELLIGENCE.
• • . • - • • Th .1 eman-namely with a
printing machines were made in America. e rai ways frage in the bill. (Hear, hear.) As the right hon. gentle- the noble lord succeeded the Geovernment might still, in lowing which theY have behind them, combined with the cisecl-when the House of Commons was a corrupt parent ties_thaiehe •P'2o franchise for coun • _______4_,
noble lord would he- •-• • .
of this countiy were managed worse than those of France,
man the member for Strood (Mr. Horsman) had shown no- spite of that-at the expense, no doubt, of some sacrifice supaor y
t the would have received from the inde ndent d '
pe an corruption was its offspring. When the sympathy ground for impeaching the bill 's "ve availed himself of that TRAFFIC RETTJRNS FOR THE WEEK.
Germany, and Belgium. Now, let the house turn to the ld h - abled h
thing could be more easy than to render the measure as and some humiliation-hut still they might acce_pt the portion of the house, wou ae e.en ..tem to carry a between the representative and the represented was de- ciple had been debated fou ' : (Hear, hear.) The prin- .
other side of the nestion and consider the case of a "cul-
. - d- , . . .n. e , , efficient as they pleased. In fact the bill might have been course which he (Mr. Wortley) tendered to them. If they measure, and to settle for a time Olnality ls out of the eines- parted, and when there was a control over the conduct affirmed ; and if the 1.,,,.- eor five timee, and had been twice -
ture. There were 20,000,000 inhabitants ot neigiana ana aed of time in a manner satisfac-
drawn on purpose to invite amendment. All that was ne- did not accept his offer they must resign, and leave the noble tion), but for a certain Peri , a , of the legislature by the executive. The undue influence the first thing that eec,l2
d had not carried out that principle Railways. Miles Opened. Receipts.
~____....._____.., ~........____,.
- 8 000 000 f
4°,000,000 of France. For our 20,000,000, 1 „ o to the country the question which now agitates this of th C
cessary to do would be to make the first clause, by the omise lord or the hon. member for Birmingham to form an admini- torY , _ , ,„ se „ e e rown was gone, the corruption of the legislature to endeavour to e-f t ee
d have been don ev
e ould have been 1&59. 1858. 1859. 1858.
ttl • ed• f th F h 45 000 000 but 10 000 000
ca. e wern ram ,or e renc „ , , , sion of a few lines, refer to the boroughs only ; and if they stration. (Cheers.) Their only other alternative was a tiis- house and the country. (near, near./ -e or, mougn .1- mum no longer existed, end the control of the leeislature ,H h ) '
c, ( ear, ear. oea me measure on that very ground.
Now what had the noble lord the me ' -
of cattle were provided. Again, in sheep, we furnished
th tth ty f chise •to th second clause, there solution. (Loud cheers and counter cheers.) He heard it opinion that there is a desire for a certain' chap? still the by th • •
en pu e coun ran .e m e . e execuhve was destroyed. The appointment for Lend ' •' • mber £ S
CA /Mud to justify the house in adopting his conclu- Beallymena and Portrush... 35 35
60 000 000 while the French had to do with 32,000,000
, / 1 . would be an end to that principle, or rather feature of iden. whispered that the Government had made up their minds to state of the country is utterly different from what it was in of a vice-consul to Japan could not now escape the eye of s• 0 - -
only. The rod of En land was 20 hectolitres ner acre• .
p uce g . - ' tity, which had been so much objected to. (Hear, hear.) dissolve. Now, his right hon. friend (Mr. Walpole) had 1830, 1831, 1832. At that time the greater part of the large Parliament. (Hear, hear.) What remained On which an lona , Three very distinguished persons had very unequi- N Ilfale and Leyburn lO 10 IA 81
of France it waa but 10 hectolitres. Thus while for every
- There were many things in the bill of which he greatly ap- already warned the Government against that step and no communities had no share whatever in the legislation of principle could be discussed, except wh th -t . lad y vocally expressed their opinion upontho merits of the reso- Belfast anl Ballymena 65 65 1 018 1,077
person in England half an ox and three sheep were pro- ,
proved. Amongst others there was, for instance, the pro- man could speak with greater calmness of a dissohition, for this house because they-were utterly unrePresented. It was expedient to infuse new bloOd inio theehoer i ene. not be When under discussion. The right hon. member for BL•kads.,
dy politic ;to ex- Coventry Mr Ell• franeC,orctareDs.oavn 2O 17 419 271
h June 32 32 2,495 2,204
vided, there was for the French but one-third of an ounce
posal about voting papers. His belief was that that would his seat was safe. He (Mr. IVortley) did not know whether then said truly that Gat= and Old Sarum were a reProach tend the area of representation, and to give to au who de_ fo ( . ice), whose attachment to the cause of re- Blyth and Tyne 2O 13 1,615 1,118
( ear. us e o y gan w c we were
of beef H ) Th th n 1 thin ' hi h
prove a substantial extension at least of an exercise of the he was in the same:Position, but be believed he was. (A to our representative system,. and that there were cities unre- served it a right to be represented, if they fairl d
yan rea- the resol •
rm no one doubted, had proclaimed his condemnation of &isn't and Exeter llB 117 5,500 4,898
Caledonian
superior to all other nations in the world was that which
suffrage and that it would brine to the poll a very valuable laueh.) He would entreat the Government if they wished presented larger than the London of our ancestors. The sonably asked for it ? (Hear hear That ution, and that condemnation ought to convi 198 1984 11,806 11,572
was fostered by the capital of our country gentlemen. -----e i e . ~ e , . ~ . . Iwailf h th la es co ld b td - b •• 1 • ' , .) was the only the noble lord of the op • lice Ches.&Holyhead(withMold) 94 941 - -
class of electors who at present did not vote. (Hear, hear.) to settle the question ennui PrmcePles and if they venerated on yyn w ic ose p C u e represen euas y princip eat issue in the present day. The attention of public. A nobl ea 1 d mum entertained by an impartial Cockermouth & Workinaton 8. 81 - -
h dla t ) The most extraordinary
(Hear. ear an ugh er. , ~As to the danger of fraud, he could easily understand that our institutions to pause before they resorted to that step. taking members from a large number of the smallboroughs. Parliament had been called to this question by the soya- yocall n„ e lel rha expressed himself equally unequi- Cork and Bandon 2O 20 250 335
thin., which,the honourable member for Birmingnam sem v en on member
in rish elections, where there was no great public opinion, (Hear, 'hear.) Let them remember what took place in the At Present the number of gruat comneunities which require reign ; two Ministers attempted to adjusnit-they failed, which-ii . for Stroud had made a speech Cork, Blackrock, & Passage. 6-1 61 185 200
. hi h h
was,6that he was a Conservative, a statement w e e tation or counties that re mre division is smaller • on. eentlemen o osit
an where very little pains were taken to prevent imProPer countrY in 1830, when the Passions of the people were sud- repres.en . , q , The present Government next introduced a bill, and it had this stron '''
Vect• pp e laughed at. It was open to Deeside l7 17 242 182
followed up with the assertion that the House of Lords
practices, voting papers were liable to abuse ; but if the denly roused, and no moderate counsels were listened to. therefore it does not follow, because there was a large dis- been so variously described, as vicious and beneficial, as _
e_n
stric go j ion, that it was true-every word of it Dublin & Belfast Junction 56 56 1,310 1,301
• •th the liberties of the country. It was
was incompatible eel uaa,-estions of his nght hon. friend (Mr. Walpole) or some There were elements of dana-er amongst the masses ; and franchisement in 1832, that there should be a demand for aristocratic and democratic, as conservative and revel • bi g ely and faithfully true Th
. e hon entleman Dublin and Drogheda 63 63 1,537 1 443
very•true, as the hon. member said, that the last reform us,
sotners that iht be mad do ted th- ' ld be , ' ch t. s the orst ' b the t •erful, another disfranchisement now. I say then, that if the • th 1 '
m g e, were ap , ere wou msu ime w urea ecame mos pens ution- pressed his opinions on the 8 hect le ith • g
th
a.. _ ary, as possesung ese severe attnbutes at the sanao mo- ness an honest of u " ' ex- Dub. & Wicklow (in.Kingst.)
a courage, a fair- Dundalk and Enn 401 401 1,193 1,092
iskillen
bill was a struggle for power between two classes. But this G thd t tdth 1- ' '
no reason to apprehend fraud. If any proof were wanted and were elevated to the position of leaders. He implored overnmen a con en e emse Nes wi ame ure of ment, that one was reminded of Archbisholt Whately's argu- deb 't
h y p rpose which, after the memory of the Dundee and Arbroath l7l " 171 469 589
bill was likewi tr 1 f d -hi th three
se a s ugg eor power, an ni e e of the necessity for some such plan he need only refer to the the Government not to dissolve ; let no expectation of in- that sort, lam justified in seeing that they would have had ment for the non-existence of Napoleon onaparte, in con_ _a e s mild have passrd away, would always redound to Dundee, Perth, & Aber. Jun. 31 31 931 1,092
noble lords were fighting their triangular duel, a power was tech would his credit as a üblic
return which had just been published with regard to the creasing their strength tempt them to a course which might no great difficulty in Passing that measure, w-d sequence of the impossibility of the opposite qualities by on co . p man. That hon. gentleman said that East Anglian ' 671 671 930 866
arising up behind them like a wave of the sea. Hon. gen- have given credit to themselves and satisfaction to the which he was described being found ith • X 'cl l . mpanng each of the noble lord's bills with the E.Counties Nrik &E Union 489 489 22,357 22,302
borough of Marylebone, where out of 21,000 voters only peril the institutions of the country. (Hear, hear.) n e same in iv]. ua . bill, they mieht f• l present
tlemen had seen the waves on the sea shore • th uld
, ey CO
10,000 had polled. (Cheers.) At the present time there . 'Viscount PALMERSTON-My right hon. friend has country, Th? 3, have. introduced. into the bill principles East K t ' .'
'
mark how each wave came up, but they never saw it retire dh•h - . (Hear, hear.) The right hon. gentleman the member for resolutio ,as air y have been met with a preliminarY E.Lanceanshi iBl k 194
- 239
-
were many quiet men who were kept from the exercise of totally inconsistent with the consrtiteution, an
detvsfric would Wilts described the opposite eide as being so divided into ing
ri
hallo the bill might be amended-that the exist- rtiln6laasco.obwurn) 1.1.1 105 6,164 5,176
-one wave followed closely on the other. So it would challenged my vote againstthe amendment upon the ground Edinburgh
their privileges by the inconveniences which they dreaded, commit an act of injustice to f e ho.lders, . anchising parties and sections, that there was no chance of their waree-: right cgd th • the freeholders were maintained, and that the Edinburgh, Perth,& bunde'e A 11 n 96 5,033
be in this case, and he warned the house therefore to of that which I stated u on the motion of Mr. Gibson in
especially in times of excitement, from their attendance at p 100,000 of them. well, by some mistake_nustakes will ing in any one point, and perhaps that was the reason'that be' f• ew posterity might be considered. That would Forth & Clyde Junction
be careful in the co c which it was about to take. He the polling-booth. (Hear, hear.) . Having said so much regard to the amendment that he moved. lam sorry that halMen in the best regulated families-(laughter)-by some they found such qualities in the measure of the G„ern_ t
ea aar subject for discussion and debate. In reference to Frrness
felt that it was 't • del f t f
qui e impossi e or any se o men
about what he considered to be good points in the bill, he I must disappoint the expectations of my right hon. friend. sort of mistake, a provision intended to exempt from the ment. (Hear.) The rieht h h advice
, on. gentleman said he was thought he could
of the noble lord the member for Tiverton he G asgow & South-Western. 1834 1834 6 324 6;056
sitting en that (the Government) side of the house hebring d
ha now no hesitation in adverting to what he thought was operation of the revision all the existine freeholders he - • • - •
(Hear, hear.) Because Ido not think that there is any P e . p dissatisfied with the bill because it made the franchise uni- Th bl give him a plain and emphatic answer G
, Great Northern 283 283 20,811 20,819
reat North of' Scotland
in any measure of this kind which would not excite distrust eno e lord said the resolutio • . me 1,376 921
bad. First and foremost there was the transfer of borouels pened to be forgotten, though it has since been laid on the form He said h c Id t -
on the other side. It was also very well for them to say 0 similarity whatever between the two cases, lam going to table of the house. Wll h h• h • b'll d • * eou no aesent to a lowering of the affect the bill nor to affect the AV : n was not intended to al t.Southn. & Westn.(lrind.) 229 2031 5,885 0 385
• 1
freeholders from the counties to the towns. He must con- . e, t en, teyin t eir 1 provi e county franchise from £5O to 110 B
. ut the right hon ti nustry ;he had no inten- ;treat Western 466 466 20,925 25,203
they would give it a patient hearin bt th h ekn ne•
g, U 0 OnS t••
fess that at first sight he thought this pro d'al h 1 •
pesa would afford give my cor I support to t o reso ution of my noble friend. for an identification of the town and county franchise, de- gentleman had, as a member of the Gov • on of the kind. No • Government will take back the
ernment, assented bill and amend 't •th ' dull and Holderness
they would no nothing of the kind, that they did not want
some equivalent to the creation of the £lO class. His first (Cheers.) The amendment moved by Mr. Gibson had stroying, as has been stated by all who have spoken on this to a measure containing that identical proposition. (Hear.) lord 1 , e answer he had to give the noble eiverness & Aberdeen June. 57 15 553 -
to do anything- of the kind. There was but one way in wes-they never would take the bill and that offensive teish South-Eastern 251 254 - 270 187
view of the proposal had natm-ally been coloured by the nothing whatever to do with the bill, to the second reading side of the house, and by some on the other, an ancient and Was the right hon. gentleman justified in attacking the r
which somethine ini ht be done and that was by way of
g , medium throug•h which he saw it, namely, the neighbour- established principle of our constitution which rovides for a esolution. (Loud cheer 0 Killarney Junction 4l 41 ' 354 289
present bill because it proposed to establish uniformity of lord, blandl s.) bserve the style of the noble
resolution. That seemed the only likely course-certainly of which it professed to be an-amendment. (Hear, hear.) It diff - d rn led d'ff ' b P Lancaster and Carlisle (in.
hood in which he resided. In the West Riding the whole erence, an a verry er - 1 erence, etween the county suffrage at the limit of XlO, when he himself was a party to that tint y compassionate, frankly patronising, and at Kendal and Windermere) 1 100 5,857 5 031
a far more likely course than that they were pursuing. was a direct vote of censure on the Government of the da
representation had beem swamped by the LlO house- , . . . . . Y• and the boreaugh feanchise. "Well sir, that -arrangement, it the introduction..of a similar measure ? (Hear.) The right k e aareeable and pleasant. The noble lord, perhaps, Lana & Yrks.(in.Blackburn) 289 289 22,505 19:493
They were then doing nothing to reach a conclusion-in-
holders of the towns and manufacturing villages. We accepted it in the sense in which it was intended i and has been said, and ,verY justly said, will lead to electoral hon. gentleman advised them to withdraw the bill. But if • new what it was to have a threatening resolution impend- Limerick and Foynes 2 130 La
deed, after all this debate, lone as it had lasted, a,nd able as
He (Mr. Wortley) p obably knew the West Ridine in the performance of our public duties, perceiving that we districts. I acquit tne Government of that accusation. The they did so, what support was the Holt h • mg over a Ministr .
y (Hear hear ) He gets bef th
, • . . up ore e Llanelly 4 . 387 407
it had been, no two persons 111;c1 been of one mind. r • 't• 'on of m hon. friend the member for East Surre to , on. gentleman in house and the world a d • London &Nth W
or - estern . 791 r. 52 60,107 57,026
as well as any one, havmg been mixed up in three o had lost the confidence of the house, we humbly tendered to mot' y _ . . y a position to afford if theyintroduced a new one ? Hebelone d t t h •, n with the most disinterested candour
Mr. DENT had hstened with attention to the speeches reduce the county fianchme to 110 would have led to tho to a party whicl be saes t e resolute London and Blackwell 5 8 3 1,254 1,225
test contests that had ever taken lace in the count •
the grea . . i had grown smaller:and smaller by degrees, do n meant nothing, was never intended to Loudon & South-We
ooming from the other side of the house and had been sur- V y, her Majesty the resignation of our offices. The present •a • • d •dent'fi • ' t f I • the Government an • • •• • stern . 321 287 12,838 11 942
but he found that the bill itself providea against the result assim ahon an e 1 cation of the coun y rane nse. It and therefore he was at a loss to know what support he could ' y injury ;it it was carried the bill Lend. Brighton, &S. Coast. 209 1 11,830 10:602
prised to find that many members who 'had expressed their e d tis ote of ce th G t
he apprehended. Its proposed division would give one am n men no v nsure on e overnmen . did not establish it, because he still left untouched the 40s. give if they produced a bill which made the county franchise might proceed just as before. The noble lord gave that L'derry and Enniskillen
want of concurrence in the bill had nevertheless stated that
pureiymanufacturingeonstuuency-onepurely manufacture (Hear.) It is an amendment strictly relating to the subject freeholders, a numerous body ; and therefore, even if the bill and borough franchise unequal. The bin to which the ri ht advice and expressed that opinion to a body of 'Eng- Lond., Tilbury, & Southend 4 40 916 715
they would vote aga• t the resolution. The m ' ground g lish gentlemen •th • Man Sheffield &Lineoinsh• 171 173 k 9,708 8,402
ing, and one of a mixed character. (Hear, hear.) Another matter of the bill. (Hear, hear.) It brings into discussion had passed, there still would have remained a great diseinc- hon. gentleman was a party, and which contained a similar ' , eir answer was-the resolution and ~,,.. - ,
anch. S.Jun.&Altrinchara 9 91 853 837
of defence of the bill put forward by her Majesty's Govern-
great blot in the bill was the facility which it would afford tion between t t ty
he coun and town franchise. But the bill of •
clause to that in the present bill, was a decisi the bill went together ;if one fell, the other should go with Maryport and Carlisle
meat was that it would act as a barrier •nst that " ugli points which were at onetime deemed fundamental principles he ide tifica ve answer to it. (Hear ) The noble lord said he was convinced the
to those disposed te violate the constitution, by circulating the Governmen gotnp.ot merely lead tot n . tion of all he uttered. But the right hon. gentleman put a glossary solutio • re- Midland . 6141 6144 32,375 29 539
rush" of which some hon. members appeared to be afrai . of the bill-at all events, which are leading features of the f electoral districts n would be carried ban ade uate majorit Had M 1
fictitious votes. (Cheers.) He greatly objected to any re- the franchise, encl. he establishment o ,on the resolution of the noble lord for which he felt hth b • y q y. id and Gt. Westn. of Mild. 177 177 8,340 3,690
Ile believed that the bill we-0d be ineffectual to check any bill d thedis • f h' h • • •
an cussion owlc is more convementlyramed it actually establishes them. The bill not onlY extends the obliged to hiin. The right hon. genti muc eno le lord authority to speak for the House of Com- Monkland
vival of the system of out-voters; but he did not think that , 52 52 1,520
ernan said the resolu- mons 9 Has he et recovered th fid 1 446
y e con ence a majority Monmouthsh. Rail. & Canal 44 44 2,163 2:30o
call for real f I • • • 1 to all'
re orm. ts provisions went simp y c me .
ire voting papers necessarily implied such a revival. (Hear,. by a preliminary amendment than it could have been in com- 110 franchise of the boroughs to the counties, but it transfers tion was aimed against the principle of uniformit B • • •
into existence a class of voters who would be greatly under the 40s. freeholders to the boroughs, with all the other ecu- - y. ut once pla led in him ?He told the Government they were Newcastle and Carlisle 7B 78 2,931 2,756
hear.) He now came to the most important of the defects mittee.l(Hear, hear.) But, long as this debate has lasted, and P es hen he came to the author of the resolution-when he in a ' 't
the control of the country gentlemen, while 'by its insidi- completely identify and bore minon y-thil- were at the mercy of hi dhi Newport,Aberg. &Hereford 50 43 1,375 1,0*)
of the measure-the limited extension of the franchise which liarities which the county ugh came to the person by which it was invented-but perhaps friends ; they had aced them 'po in an s North Britt h• '
ously disqualifying the 40s. freeholders, it tended to remove long as it appears, by what we see, likely still to last, I can- s on. Dalkeith) 149 149 4,743 4,695
franchises, and in fact it does establish electoral districts, h • - wer, and allowed them North Devon
it afforded to the woeking classes of this country. "Work- e was in en or on thee point, because from what had been to exist. They owe the noble lomd-
a most valuable class from the representation. He con- not say that the time and attention which have been bestowed th 1-,* tie nothing. (Loud cheers.) North-Eastern
ing classes" and " industrious classes" were verY vague - ---eugn ---eY are uhePal• WhY, sir, I should almost sup • thrown out by the right hon. gentleman, the member for If he had the ower hhe r '
739 i 720 32,393 30,277
sidered the bill most faulty, and he could not but think it a e s lost it ;if he had a majority,
phrases ;he flattered himself that he belonged to the work- on the subject have been entirely thrown away. we have pose that that Part of their arrangement had been suggested Stroud, SOrae dark and mysterious necromancer seemed to there was not Pin • North London 9 • 9 2,455 2,427
naisfortune that such a measure which was a mere sh his Minist abilit wisd North
' ing classes himself, and sh did all those who obtained their made some progress in the course of our discussions. (Hear, by the hon. member for Birmingham ; and if we are to de have something to do in its coneoction-(cheers)-seemed to retain rY y, om or capacity Staffordshire 233 233 7,206 5,771
should have been brought forwak power ; that was the seve • ' ' North-Western
hear When this discussion be an we were led to think- termi e who are embarked in the same boat I should say to have acted between the noble 1 r
livelihood by the exercise of their professional abilities or .) . g n . _ o d the member for Lon- respectable and antinuated C rest imputation on the 461 44 - -
Mr. PACK E was most anxious before the debate closed- ' *th th N. Yorkshi d Cleyeland. 10} - - _
their mental powers. (Hear, hear.) But he was now erroneously, as it now appears-that the disfranchising of that the hon. member for Birmingham is rowing ver „ e don and the noble lord the member for Tiverten. And the had been the chief tch abinet of which the noble lord Oxford, Worrecall W
(laughter) -to say a few words with regard to the monopoly
speaking of the better class of artisans, for whom he doubted the county freeholders and the identity of the county and Chancellor of the Exchequer and the Secretary of State for three magicians having put their ingredients into the caul- that the hu fb s eers.) The noble lord had told them Peebles ' oiver 7.4 94 4,206 3,755
of knowlede b th orking classes which was ass ed by
,e ye w franchises were fundamental rinci les of th • In •mu h more than he i ' ' le lord dron t e
whether they had done enough by the bill. (Cheers.) On borough p p 0 bill dm, c s rowing with the nob ,h re bubbled forth this muddy resolution. (Cheers want of time heed 1181
ness t 172 1
,he pressure of affairs, and the St. Helen's Canal& Railway 30 103 1 708 66
hon. gentlemen on the other (the Opposition) side of the
the other hand, if they went down as low as a£6 occupancy which, if rejected, would be fatal to the measure. But I was (Lord J. Russell). When this bill first came before us, the and laughter.) prevented him from bringing forward his Scottish Central
2 734 2
1,960
bill th t b'll • S tt' h N th E 53
5°
' '705
g o manu c ring owns,
house. Now he knew somethin f fa tu • t
he doubted whether they would include the whole of this glad to hear, in the short answer which the Chancellor of the first impulse of every man must have been a desire to alter u Double, double toil and trouble • ,a 1 which. had exist d 1 • hb •
e on yinnulus or in the co is or - astern ll5 115 3,490 3 ,
,4.,5
and he would say of the to of Leicester, with which he , , ima 'nation Shrewsbury- & Birmingham 291 291 1,734 1,498
class. (Cheers.) He felt satisfied that the working classes Exchequer made to a question in the early part of last even- it in committee ; but when we looked further, and found Fire, burn ; and cauldron, bubale." gi of the noble lord, for neither on that nor on
was • 11 ' • ha h t d 1
especm y intimate, t t t ere was no a more or er y .
did not desire any measure that would make mere numbers ing, and still more glad to hear to-night in the more ample that there was interspersed with it provisions so completely And then perhaps they separated with a an t
y o her practical subject had his Government left an Shrewsbury and Chester , -48 48 2,588 2,324
and lo al set of men than its inhabitants. The hon. member
paramount. He had recently presided over an educational exposition of the Secretary to the Treasury, that her Ma- subversive of the fundamental arrangements of our repro- " When shall we three meet again ?" measures behind them" (Hear, hear.) The Y Shrewsbury' & Hereford - -
noble lord now Shropshire 'Union
told th 29; 291 782 762
for Birymin h (M B 'oh ) I•ed hi If th friend
gam r. ne t proc aim mse e
meeting, consisting entirely of the working classes at Shef- jesty's Government consider every part of the bill to be open sentative system, the next impression. I think in •inanY satisfied that for the time em that he approved of the bill in some particulars, South Devon 571 57 . 2,409 2,158
. ow, e r. ac e mus
of the working chn s N h(M Pk ) t say that
field. Politics were excluded by the rules, but the hon. gen- to considerationin committee-that there is no part of the bill minds must have been that they ought to resist the second " The charm was wound up." and recommended the Government to take it back even with South-Eastern 3Oll 301 14,359 14,070
on every occasion in which the interests of the working ei this offensiv ' South Wales
eman opposite was then attracting great attention, and it the maintenance of which is a sine ua non of the Government reading. That was Ply own impression ; but the noble lord Were it not that he understood the Upeaker would put it from e resolution attached to it. That resolution 171 171 5,988 6,757
classes had been considered in that house, the hon. member " e h d h h 9
wes impossible to prevent a reference to the subject. He ---.
c eers)-an tat t ose provisions to which the amend- tho member for London suggested an amendment involving the chair, he would ask for some explanation of the pm° was not attached to the bill for the purpose of spoiline it. g.t Yorkshire and River Dun 108 108 2,416 2,733
had voted against them. 'When a bill was brought in to
(Mr. Wortley), remarking that the time was come when it ment points are just as open to discussion, reconsideration, the Particular matter which was more especially objection- sophy of the inscrutable resolution which had the merit of The noble lord thought it was rather a compliment to.the Tirstroareand Darlington - 7,454 6,515.1
secure to the operative af • day's work •sta f • day's
was desirable that they should be admitted to the franchise, and amendment in committee as any other points of the able. My noble friend did me the favour to show me his stifling truth and closing debate before discussion. (Hear Ministry. The resolution itself was most indefinite and un- Ulster 54 •54 3,699 4,045
s opposi ion. n
wages, the hon. m b that bill hi 'e 0
em er gave Hear hear If we in such ro ss i a I thou
expressing a hone that Pains would be taken to include in the measure. ( , a ga p gre n the amendment. I sai- ght the amendraent was excellent He would ask whether it was in the spirit of En lish tl .) certain-(hear, hear)-it pledged the house to nothing, it Ulverstone and Lancaster .19 19
52 36 1,474 1,385
469 326
another oc ion when a bill was brought forward for the
e constitution worth rather than numbers-a sentiment which course of the discussion, I cannot say that I regret the -(cheers and counter cheers)-and T was quite ready men thus on a question of so much ae 't t g . gen .e- was so framed as that if he came back to power he could 'Vale of Neath 251 251 1,302 1,798
protection of women and children in factories, a • th
• ' was received with an assent of acquiescence that satisfied him prospect of the debate going on till Monday or Tuesday to give the amendment me, most cordial support. on the bill, and if the nobl gl• 7y o avoid discussion not be called on to redeem any pledge which he had • Warrington and Stockport. 12 • 'l2 - -
hon. member was found amongst the opponents of legisla- e lord could do so to defeat the Mi- h given- Waterford and Kilkenny 3l 31 294 283
the working classes did not desire to see a predominance next, or any other day in the week, because I anticipate That is the only mode of at once bringing 1111- nistrY bye side wind? (Cheers.) An hon eentle had that ( ear, hear)--te had said nothing of vote by ballot-(hear, waterford
tion. When the truck system was nnder consideration, the Limerick
given to numbers alone. (Cheers.) Such being the case, and •that the progress of conviction may go on pari passu with der discussion those two main points which are night given notice of a motion of if* fid • hear)-nothing of any one principle, but that the posterity west Cornwanalll
hon. gentleman came to its support not only with his vote wan o con ence in the of
granting that it was desirable to extend the franchise to the the progress of the discussion, and that we maY ultimatelY essential to the bill. If they had been left in the bill this Government. (Ministerial cheers.) He could under t-tnd the existing 40s. freeholders should preserve their votes W.HartlepoolHarbrAltail. g 4 g 4 3 `9796 ,571
but with his voice. It was not pret,ended that the very
working classes, how was that end to be attained? It could all agree in supporting the motion of my noble house would not have passed it, but if taken out of it the that, for it was open and many, d for the county. The career of the noble lord the member Whitehaven Junction l9 12 '496 2 667
bill before the house did not give some advantage to the an they could know hO* t 358
not, he thought, be done bY merelY lowering the borough friend. (Cheers.) But whether that be so or not, at house might have agreed to go into committee and modify meet it, but he could not un erstand the dark poe ed 7 o for Tiverton furnished the best argument against organic Whitehaven & Furnesii Jun. 35 35 528 337
working classes-that bill too was now opposed by the hon.
franchise ; but there were 110 doubt means which might be all events, any scruples which hon. members may the ether objectienable' Parts. I thought it was far better to which had been had recourse to b the noble lord -rT
e ings parliamentary reform. The present Parliament had been W'haven,CleatorotEgrmnt. 7 7 320 182
member. Taking the info ation which present eircurn- FOREIGN AND COLONIAL.
adopted with success. As to what those means were, the have felt on the ground that the carrying of the resolution attack those two points than go into the chaos of a commit- sure of the Gove thd b y he mea • summoned by the noble lord ;he had commanded a majo-
stances afforded, he must sa that he did not think the rnmen a een condemned for what it did 't ' • rerp and Rotterdam 52 52
noble lord (Lord J. Russell) had suggested none-(cheers) would be fatal to the hill, and that the question of reform tee where the discussion would have turned not so much not contain. It did not cont • h. ri yin it such as almost no Minister before him ever had ; *llll 702 978
working classes valued the suyffra hi hl as 't was the _t am anyt mg with regard to the and could it be said an (weenie chane trian B2B 673 29,455 26,420
fashion with some hon . gt: a° gr. '. . , .ti -and he both understood the meaning of his reserve and would be indefinitely postponed, will now be done away with, on 'the principle as on the wording, and where we should borough franchise ee was required when Belgian Eastern J ti
, and o condemn une on 261 261 271 297
memners represen , certainly i it for what it did not that Parliament, almost' before it was well Bff 1
would imitate it. (Cheers.) Still there was one plan which and every member will be free to vote on the resolution ac- have been lost in the confusion of a desultory discussion of contein w assembled ua o and Lake Huron
the cases of those b •
oroughs where a large portion of the RS WOrthy of the oapacity of the noble lord d f had 941 f/63
he would mention. The citY of CoventrY had a most satis- cording to its merits. (Cheers.) I much regretted that the that kind. Therefore I say the idea of my noble friend was the Parliament 1 " an o asserted its independence and voted out fin; Detroit and Milwaukie
voters were of that 1
c ass, many of them did not take the • ary ogic of the 19th centu . Hear hea 1851 140 1,268 974
, Dutch Rhenish
trouble to record their votes Th h
e on. gentleman in con- h ' Sr 1 G ral h uld h h-h ' be ' • h•
factory constituency. None ad been more steady In the 0 ici or- ene s 0 ave t oug tit commu his own exactly the course w leh, under the circumstances, it was and oh, oh.) The owe nd •d ry ( , r, noble lord. 'When Lord North had pressed tne lose 1084 2,618 3,397
n r sal he could not discover the Parliament on this subject his answ Grand Tru k f
elusion stated his intent • f " • choice of its representatives ; none more honoured by the position or consistent with parliamentary practice. after most prudent to pursue, and so far from being a motion principle of th '1 was e 1 n .__. n a Canada 879 849 8,687 8 518
Lord H. VANE said :iitei:ihovoting against the resolution.
distinction which those rePresentatives had attained. And exhausting all the arguments his ingenuity could suggest in that necessarily, if carried, insures the rejection of the bill, read the 13.11. ebi 1. Why, the noble lord never could have am the creature of Parliament, in m rise a er
ll 1 ureat Inman 1 eninsula l3O 88i - '
nld sapport the resoluticee of i He read his resolution ; that he read care- fall ; I was nothing when I came you t s we. as in my Gr2t Luxembourg 122 38 2,053 8-4
his noble friend beca he bel what was it upon which the constituency of Coventry was support of the bill, at last to have recourse to that common- I say that I think the Government ought to thank my full you ,co dence Gr
it) Western of Canada 294 283 8,225 8,595
ieved it to contain a principle y, and when it came from the hands of the three eminent raised me up, and when it was withdra IP'
which was not to be d* chiefly based ? Apprenticeship. (Loud cheers.) An appren- place and ordinary weapon of personal taunt against these noble friend for making it, because, if carried-and I have wn I fell." The his- Lem ardo-Venetian 285 285
iscovered in the Government bill. compositors by whom it was set up it was found t b - -
Mr. S. WORTLEY felt, as he had 1d on the books ticeship franchise would place uPon the list of voters a class who differed with him in opinion. (Hear, hear.) I rePildi- no doubt that carried it will be-(eheero-it relieves them dent for their p •Th ' •
urpose. e resolution was aimed against the • fl
of skilled artisans, who would be infinitely superior to mere ate, for those on' this side of the house, the reproach that from a difficulty-(laughter)-whi.ch, If left in the bill the principle of the uniformit of the suffra e. -
o e stern- tory of public life is an answer to a hundredfold assertion of
in uence of the Crown over this house. rhat histor Lions and Geneva
y jelaardirid, Saragossa &Alicant 142 107 3,759 2209
284 224 6,936 5'128
the form of a resolution to move in th p nee
Y g Good. But is a strong proof of the littl ed th • 1 a Antonia. 2l 21 ,
e event of the 81103088 of 110 householders He would ask the house to reflect what we are actuated in the course we are pursuing by a desire would have infallibly led to the re ection of the
j. measure. he would smote the noble lord against himself • and th ene ere is of parliamentary Northern of Fra
nce
the noble lord's amend' t • • * • ' f lit• 1 le. t • t ad. (H • 1 b cl*
nen , some explanation of his purpose must be the feelings of one of these higher class artisans-- or po ica o jee sor privet e vantage. ear, hear.) I shall not go into e a orate iscussions on tho fabric of • fir e• r f Th
, ere re orm. e House of Commons might re ul tb • • N ' 574 574 38,219 38,988
q re o e invi- orweguin Trunk
mas no in, ike quoting- a Whig against himself. (Laugh- gorated 44 44 • 718 616
and views was due from him to th h - h t Ikn hi td b t who had read, Such an imputation is as unworthy of the learned gentle- our constitution, or the abst t "1 • • A t b f 1
. grea num er o e ements ought perhaps to be Paris Lyons & Mediterrn
e ouse. He rea-retted to one wo no on y ew s own ra e, u rac princip e involved in ter )He could safel ' th
y convince e noble lord of three things represented there, but the conduct of the ho • - P • ' d 0 ' - 841
781
63'81 54'837
find that his noble friend the member for Durha b
m did not in- much and understood the constitution of his country-what man as it is undeserved by those against 'whom it is many of these details. Them are provisions irt the bill fl-o;n his earn mouth: first, that the noble lord was an enem t use in reference aris an rleans 922 857 44,546 39,275
must be the feelings of a man of this class, the aggregate directed. (Loud cheers.) I should have thought that which I think the house will not adopt. I think that those of any great measure of Pl• t R f • y o the very Minister who had just sat down gave the Paris and Strasburg 979 838 41,150 36,578
tend to vote on the same side as he should vote, for he ar lemon ary e orm-he decidedl t Royal Danish
cm- income of whose family might perhaps be £5 a week, but the forbearance exhibited by those whom gentlemen oppo- provisions which admit of the fabrication of faggot votes, stated that in so man -rd (h h y s rongest, clearest, and most decisive proof that no very 69 69 - -
carrot' entire
• ly with his noble f • d
nen upon one point_nin, who, because his emplo er furnished him with a cheap site from the commencement of their holding office have the provision which gives the fra he t -' ' 7mo s- ear, ear) ;-secondly, great measure of chan e
nc Ise o non-residents, that he was in favour ot a uniform franchise ; and thi dl bl Ird h Sambre and Meuse
g was required. (Cheers.) The Southern of France C,B 68 1,166 1,347
that the great object with the house and th elf' ed y • ' t d th I•'tf th h •he 1 s e b' t•
e country was a house, was not _..ow a vote_ ; while a few doors off was a I eleresen e as e rnaeori y o e ouse mig .at .eass an- to ona •e vo ing papers to be used, I sav I th- k
. , in are that he was of opinion that this bill would b ry,no e o t e member for London had touched on one W '
est I landers
satisfactory settlement of this Reform question. (Hear.) By small ignorant shopkeeper,
_whose window was ornamented have secured them from thatimputation. (Cheers.) I say likely to lead to the greatest possible abuses-those are mat- great blueing to the country. (Hear, hear, and lea a vel3
topic which he could not pass over in silence. The W. and N,W. of France 75 75 731 694
716 598 33,789 2,5,894
• d reading of the bill he consid with tallow candles and red herrings, but who being a ten- that unexampled forbearaneehas been maintained by gentle- ters that lam not goine to areue ; they will be argued if When t
voting for the secon ered that e he hon. member for East Surrey brought forward at the head of the F
ughter. noble lord said he had great respect for the noble earl '
he emb d the only opportunity offered for effecting such men on this side of the house. Hear hear Last ear it the house should eo into'c m 't
po.under, posse.ssed the franchise ? (Hear.) His right hon. . . . . ( , ,) y , . , otm tee, and in committee, asthe his motion he made an illustrious convert of the noble lord presence there was necessa
oreign-office, but he did not think his
friend (Mr -Walpole had truly stated what the practical is true, when public indignation was rousel by a certain right hon. baronet said ou rov
,y p e your case. (A laugh.) the member for the Cit_y of London who aye 1t - ' • ry to tho safety of the commu. BIRTH S.
settlement. If the second reading were carried the b'll • - ) ' d h dd db h G •
1 grievances of our representative system were ; namely, that espatc , a resse yt e overnment to the G„.ernor_ with regard to the two points to which the resolution applies the noble lord the member fo T. ' g counse o nity. He agreed with the noble lord that England was in- DOUGLAS.-On the 25th it at Kensal Manor House, tha
might be amended en committee, to what extent it was im- there were certain great communities who were unrepre- General of India, we felt required by public duty to call upon we have Proved our case ; that is to say, when the lu,ue has the followine words whe rth iverton on that occasion in dependent of any particular Minister. Lord Malmesbury's wife of Major-General Plies ” B
ivy ouglas, of a son.
possible to say. If, on the other hand, they carried the re_ seined; and certain excellent classes of our countrymen who Parliament to mark its sense of that oesPatch. (Hear, hear.) declared that these parts of the bill shall not be carried, then unanimity Was wonderful. n
(,Leasue,nVele lords agreed their presence or absence at the Foreign. office could not decide the LISTER.-0
h .) The noble lord future of the country •b t 1 n the 24th inst ,at Doncaster th ef f John
, oui e 0
solution of the noble lord it was true the second reading nweer not
taelh7edetehe_ fre aj.ichise._
.sHe e (Mre..lVortlee7).Nevo_uld Geanwntlemowelinooppos_itee ma ay
ei meagis7ntsheaxtet.ht at a, ?
Z:(11).' tti{eueli iwttar e
waitthoe tlee cemsmoitutee will not alter the bill in that respect. Now, had said--" For my part, I should think it imprudent in olicy prevailed at the' F: e was : different matter what Lister, Esq., of a daughter.
reign offi hat es as a very dif- ler
But who doubted that -e !tot) dsc th di 1 ili t lapse Ith bill dr t° th 1313.rhni 1 3 f ,Ihld ha e welt re emphatically a few days the noble herd if he were now to say, inde ende • ...oCATTA. 0
might be moved on the next day. ri• thought itheaGovernmsent had acmteend in tnatsclause with an approachingdissolution of Parliament, but the real reason aster° than I shellvt d • h me
p ntly of the Lrent question. There was not -a
eentl t ' n the 25th inst the ' b ham M
, eman who had a seat , wife of Ara o-
. ~ . o-nig ton the consequences that wore general opinion whioh he has' just stat dtht 't • th • th t h h catta E fl 5 •
c ai IS e in a ouse-t , sq., o , Upper Woburn-place, Tavistock-
the amendment was intended to e
d feat the bill, andin all extr h be d' ' • 4 • •
eme prudence, for no measure would have a chance of w y mem rs were Isincline to suPPort that motion I be- likelY to follow from the affirming of this resolution. intention of the Governme tt d• ' ere was not a man of capital and industry
Probability would have that effect. (Hear, hear, from the passing that house which pr eposed to disfranchise a large Hove to have been this-they saw that theministerwho was There is no doubt it will be carried. Then what is the and mind of the co n o isturb the legislation in the country-there was not an humble artisan-but a *.'
untry by bringing in a lerge and com- dee 1 interest d th •a 8 PETR
square, of a daughter.
Opposition.) Indeed, they had heard number of th
as much ; but he oe e smaller boroughs. It was expecting too much personally and morepeculiarly responsible Thr that despatch course that the Ministry will pursue ?We are told various prehensive pleasure of refor " I • a • p y ein at question. (Hear hear ) The noble E.-On the 24th inst., at Park House, East Cowes,
en. ( lear.) Again the lord the member for Tiverton was d• • ' * Isle of Wight the esif
aied 1 men not only to:destroy their own seats bu tat the same had resigned office, and they were disposed to accept that things. Some tell us the will rein- I • ' a istinguished statesman 1 eof the Hon. Henry W. Petre, of
hoped before the Government threw up the bill and appe time to insult their co ' • ' ' ' ' t t (Ch )I ll •'t t h •
nstituencies. It was only in times of as an a onemen . eers. al not imi a 0 t e example thing. (Loud lauehter and cheers I think 't d
y en. believe no such noble lord said, "If we sincerely desire reform the only -he imputed no unworth *
y motives to him- •
but did any a son.
1 woul course now to eu pursued is to adopt a measure w'hich is in one doubt he was the cause of all the
to the country they would hesitate, and reflect on the dang•er extreme excitenient like 1831 that such a thing could be done. of the Solicitor-Generaa a.nd reproach the Go„rnment of be a dereliction of duty on thei p •)t. if coafusion in Europe?
they did resign itself a safe improvement, whenever such may be proposed, (Loud cheers.) Since th . MARRIAGES
of such a step. Of this, however, there could be no doubt, (Hear, hear.) The rieht h tl (11 SH b rt) the day with havine abandoned their own for •• 1' (Ch )I d th rar
•
on. gen eman .r..er e • mer prinelp e s eers. o not want em to resign. (Ministerial and I cannot but Itht th c i eport to which he had referred
said that the mod ' admi a e meaeure of the honourable was made
eof proceeding by resolution was ineon- and discarded t heirformer opinions by proposing a measure of cheers.) I have heard of a gentleman whose servant had gentleman is such an improveme t' and I think that m hich h, he had revived his recollection of a country in HART-JONAS.-On the 23d inst. at
, the residence of
that it was the object of the noble lord in moving this reso-
e, venient. Had
lution to defeat the bill. (Loud Opposition cheers.) lee fat ? (Cheers.)theituitio, Bin, then, been so unsuccoss- reform. I 1101, that they did their duty m proposing such a inculTed his displeaetwe, but the "entlentan said, " I will one who is possessed and entnistedne'ith the XlO franchinsee ev'as the ee took the deepest interest-he meant Italy. 'What bride's parents, Rebecca, oldest daughter of A. 11. HI:
expected that honest affirmative cheer ; but the ooble lord measure, either with re laievedotkere had never been a mealizes.e Tici)i.criii hteinneirotredot
tteGoevae_rnintenet-T-t:eurnse ngleann!isim. I will condemn lint to keep his place' can object to itseenjoyment by those who live in counties." would an:
grd t India or to any other 11. ph hdof h Go ( uct e c .) Sir, I say it again, the Ministry took th And not content -* •• e • • •
n ith vein, his opinion, the noble lord the Austrian Gov t ff
sect,. (t)f the confusion there ? (Hear, hear.) He
hat question. 'What occurr d • 1848 h
ein wen Esq., of 40, Upper Bedford-
Hyam Jonas, Esq., of Woburn-place.
Place, Russell-square, to
had not avowed that object, or he would have moved that of our dePendeneies, which had met with so general an ment will understand-with its engagements. (Cheers and Government with it t h - • e
s engagemen s•t ey undertook to brine v • • • "
, ga e his reason, because," said he, " the occupier of a £lO once of Lom 9
ernmen o ered to secure the independ- HEARD-WnianT.-On tho 24th 1 t
ne e at All Souls'
the bill be read a second time that day six months. (Cheers.) acquiescence as that bill ; but, wh th th t t 1 aht ) Tho-e ono-aaement -th - • I dt f lfil • f f d I *
eer a, was so or no , au, er. e h. e scy a ere ,oun ou,or in a measure ore erre, tm say they are not doing their hOu-e 'n t ' 11 f t• • t 11' h hardy . (No, no, and Hear hear )It m h
ig t Langham-place William Heard E '
s 1 a coun yis genera y a person omaetin e 1- ave been expected that any Mi i t ' * , sq. of Hitchin,
Herta to Mar ' 1 daughter o • '
If they carried the second reading they might insist upon in the present case the house had no choice; (Cheers ) to pay the forfeit which they entailed . (Cheers.) One of duteuto the Crown and to the countr *f '
i, in cense uence of once end oss s
q g t. .. p ees. ed of more property than the tenant of a the most magnificent offer ey nasd69l.l-3 would have accep
- tea of the' 17, ;:m y f SeptunusWrighteEsq.,
the two main points of the resolution in committee-first, They could not now expect any Government to command these engag-ements was to earry an India Bill. They had such a vote as that which m noblZf ' d y a great and power- same pac
0. _ . _ y nen proposes, they similar house in a borough. I think this change is safe- ful monarchy Th bl 1 er
m
the preservation of the rights of the fvehold voters residing a majority. The time had now come -h th l dill cl• • oved of an India Bill but when th t ' ffi tl ..
men e rea i - isappr , ey ooK 0 ce ley re,i,„n their places and put on others the d uty of doine it tl t't ell
, . la 1w I consolidate our institutions, and give further (he im 'ci • 9no e ord, however, actiag for the best
in borough:4, in which he perfectly agreed with the noble culty of how the 421;_eren's ?overnment wee to be carried on felt that the public expectation was fixed upon that measure, They have adva, t
1 ees which no other Gov
a, . ernment have in stability to oi r re_ r.i.;entat:ve system." (Hoar.) After this refused it. His
pute nothme to hint b
b ut a betel want of sense) DEATHS.
lord-(hear, hear)-ard secondly, the -further axtension of was experienced. (near, 'ear-) Not that h. pp hendoi that the h,onour of the Crown was he son dearee committed sucee-4,11 -t r answer was on record, The British Mi- BARKER.-On the 23d lust at h• 'd
ey63 t ing this question. It is their duty to settle it ; declaration of the noble lord what became of the glossary of • t b , is resi ence, Upper Lana -
the franchise in c't" db. h • 11.* h I h d '
i ies an oroug s, in wic aso c any an.aet would arise out of that diffie ' a'-` re
• • ' 1 d h le
F ' -
uity, for he be- to its being carnet ;ant ey properly carried on the men- and therefore I say-not meaning, I ean ass tl ' 1 •h I 1 b f W• ' •
ure lea. any un- tie rig t ion. gentleman tie mem er or ilts, that the b
nis er esought the noble lord to take what he could get, °
d wne-terrace, Notti •
ng -hill, Charles Bark E f
agreed with the noble lord. It was sealeelY resintful to 'loved thbat the House of Commons was able to fra . eood •e hich we had beeun They spoiled it no doubt. But eivel taunt-I1 -
_ me , sum w . , . , . las , too aood an opinion of them to think that resolution of the noble lord was directed against the unifor- •
ut the noble lord wo Id t ' - •
u no recoil e it. All this was of im- Birchin-lane, aged 66. er, sq., 0
the Crown, after what had passed, to re' h• bll h dth t they might with confide
ject tislon t e measiu•es, an a nee depend upon. nevertheless they did fulfil that engagement, and the Go- by a resignation they would shri k f tl f f ' f 1 f li" 9
n rom le per ormanee o mity o tie ranc ise . portanee in answer to tho questions which had been put. BAYLY.-On the 24th inst a
second reading. , aughter, and e hear, hear.") its ingenuity and industrY ; hi.ut they "Pist not look in any vernment of India was transferred from the company to the a duty which they have underteken well
(" Oh " I then it is said An HON MEMBER-That did not aff When a great offer was made, a great minister would. have Rev. Monta B *, t Torquay, suddenly, the
Hon. eentle
e men might laugh, but we had not yet arrived put of it to find persons to wrni an `"lministration that Crown, It wns then too late in the session to onter upon the they ma cr 1 11l I * *
y isso ve. Ve , have no greater faith in their franchise.
, , . . ect the borough known how to ac t • S
cep it. oon after this offer was made, BRETT._O gll aYly, aged 34.
at the time when the influence of the Crown was to be en- ould m d part majority. 'Was there anythin f Parliament Reform. The reeedin C4ovarn- dissolvina•
g question o ary . p , g e. (Laughter.) In the first place, to dissolve Par- Mr. WHITESIDE was obliged to the hon, Radetzk ehana-
y eed the fortune of war ; and when the noble n the 13th Feb. last, on board the ship Eastern
I irely disregarded. (Hea h )Th • • • e emu
an
a Yt f • acceding to the pee gentleman for lel Monarch at
r, e; r. rec several ministries to prevent the Governmen tom posal ment had equally been prevented in the early part of h 1 f 1
t-at Lamen. at tee present moment implies somethinw more than the interruption, for it enabled him to remark th tth oi ,in his next despatch, would have accepted the offer, Bo , sea, Brevet-Major Reginald Best Brett, of the
mire, Artiller ' e
had . promised a ineasu to thi k f
ro of Parliamentary Reform, and to emend their bill ?He was baPPY In , rola the session from °uterine on the question- fronicel cheers front the will of° • • T
e ( , (a eminent, he coneurrence of the Eouse weuld sure of the hon. reeniber for East Surrey did not affect the
a e mea- he was told he wa t 1
s oo ate-blood had been shed, and he R 3' 3' , fined 38.
three times had the Cro - d ' • . ''
' (- S N rtncote), that there was th . G could not expect after victory what had been offered in a OONE.-On the 24t1 •
an recommen ed the subject te speech of the hon. baronet sir . 0 _ . . e overnment side)-by the pressure of the India mics- be nes'essary to its own dissolution, The state of business is borough franchise, that while it proposed t 1 mst., at 2, Stanhope-street, Hyde-
- their consideration in the speech from the thr d th
one, an e not. At the same tiine he thought his right hon. friend tion It - th f
v‘as, ere ore, perfectly right that they should such-that it would be necessary to have other votes in supply, county franchise to £lO it left the boron h f h•
o reduce the moment of depression. It was not very wise for the noble park, the Rev. James Shergold B • b ' S
house had at the beginning of the se •
salon assured her Ma- (Mr. Wel ole had asked the Governmen a 1
e t • 1 'hie too much, *
postpone thequestionof Parliamentar Refonnto the resent to have an a ro e • •
y . . p pp pi.i..tion .act,• to have a ways and means and that the noble 13rd votad for that propceition. (Hear b
g rune ase at zelo, lord to touch o ' s • • • tlf n recolleet wh
11 foreten politics .le ii at had John's P •
, addington, aged 37. oone, incum ent of t.
jesty that they would give the subject that el d • P) • d d that th should accept the ce • e •
e. man sniper- He had only a neht to eman ey - ssion. Vhen the time came for the coneideration of the act to make - •
, p.oN isien for certain Exchequer Bonds that hear.) If, therefore it was unconstitutional and mischi , een the result of his policy in Belgium and in Naples. FRY.-On the 22e1 inst., at Clarence Ho e, Gillin h
tial consideration which was propo -t; - • • ''
' ' I).* h h himself en- m " evous Hear The "• • •
( .) administration, however, must be changed. Kent, Captain R. H. Fry, 15th R us
d 23 g am'
1 'mato to the maem- decision of the house on the points on '9l ic e easure, what was the manner in which they should have fall due in Jun 11 th • 11 '
e-a ego operehons wi require the hearty to vote for a reiuction 'of the count f 11 1
tude of the interests involved. (Hear, hear ) Now iea - t tain db• ti tth• b• 1 T ask them
, p er e o jec ons o en. 11 . o to give a applied their •ed ,ta 9 T ymo I se, eayina• the Wh •
ien so 1 . hey are a Conservative party ; concurrence of the house. Are they assured of obtaining horongh frenchiee Wont:lane I t • ' y ? Because 1, "
t-ey ..ia,.. made no provision fer the Dos MAIN- 0 th 22e1 • egt"
age
*
peared to him that to make the measu * h. hth th ,w la 00Uld the noble lord terity of the 40s. freeholders. They did propose, ind d - ' *--- n e inst., at Knightsbridge, John Main,
re the subject of a guarantee that they would accept anything to wlc e ey are not opposed to progressive improvement; but their that concurrence ?I am • d cl 11 t •d fe f •
quite rea yto a mi tla on oc- say in
,e noe o hts voting for the identi 1 • ' • "' ee to aged 56.
great party movement-the stalking horse f 'in rove
or a great party house agreed was asking them to accept the ballot, or any' 113 molts and their chan as st accordine to their casions when
g inn , b the contest is between twe political pa
ifies on the lion, member for Surre ca pi oposnion of deal with the existing ones, but what of that ; the noble ford P
effort-was not giving to the question 'of the rep • • ' • • t one an own princi le •be y 9 (Lo d h
u c eors.) He believed thought of their children and grandchildren. E_DDER.-On the 24th inst., at Brighton, Sir John Lewes
rtesentation thing else to which they might entertain ever so s r p
.nc.p. pef Sihe made in accordance with tile pstahlished a question of foreign relation°, of peace or war, or a ques- that the rig•ht hon. gentleman the To assert
of the people that calm and impartial considera ' ted member for Wilts and th • • Pedder late C •
ion which objection, provided only a majority of the house assen ri. 1 tas British constitution. They improve to tiers on which the Government and a majority of this house the noble lord the memb f• T• at phnciple the noble toed was ready to be a party to a _ , hief Justice of the Supreme Court, Van
they heel pledged themselves in the address to Min •th or el iverton jumped too hastily araonnt of political confusion. (Cheers.) II b • ny Diemen's Land.
. the crown to it, (Hear, hear.) They had taken office as the represen- inam , oy will not alter to destroy. (Hear, hear.) may disagree, It is ftl st't t4onal that they should to the conclusio
. pee ec y can 1 u n that the meani e " (Time elieved, he
n, or the nob,lo loreee read- had answered the noble lord plainly.
-to give to it. (Cheers fram the ministerial benches.) There tatives of a minorit and they m t therefor tex ect to When they came to 1 k
Go at the st to of our representation appeal o tte ei e• ' 0 •,/' t t •
f .. ‘, untry, an ,le ig pen o etly unlit ha tile lutlion WEIS S rf heat%) In -
!Tell 4.5 1.4a3r 4o4oribad it, tind that-they '_ut an rep y
1 to his advice to take the resol • •
-was a course which, h'e suggested, would be teonsistent arry th ea_ n tl • theutha h e noish p,
ed but standing- as it does on the act of a - ' '
1832, they ought to have majority b
w-o maY have censiseed oi, clixagrbed with them interpretation upon it ao suit their arg•um t h•Ph hi hMi ist answered th ution and e-ake back the
with their own dignity, with the respect they owed to the atin trim exac
Y m dif • ila
t eY
w h • s considered what were the • ea ,w ic was 11, t e n ey cue)
of e&mr as ent eageurr so to mo yitas to meet t e view
~ points arising- out of that act should nevertheless render aid to an honest appeal to the that uniformity of suffi•age was uncoil-it' 17 k h • 4 not take the resedu- 140!.n0N : Printed and Published by KURD() YOUNG,
'Crown, and which at the same time would effect a* the h• h • A dUt •
hear If the house adopted the pee et lc regain or ami ed improvement The ex rience countr on the • ' • itutional and mis- tion, and take ac t e bill, (enee el_
pe y point in dispute. But that is not the pre- chievous ; whereas the meani fth bl 1d h "t k Th H uneuelnneefeli Let there )-- fNo 119 St dP • t tTh 8 2
objects stated in the noble lord's resolution. It was with i • men @Lea , .) _
' ' i •I) Ye SIINQ had Might t ll ha '
so utio4 of the no le lord, what would bo the consequence' Vg • 4 - na ura -
a vele(' them to certain sent question, I ask why the Govemment should throw ber for tb. Ci . ng o enoeor , t e mem- no mis ae. e ouse of coo,roons, ~,,,, ,_
~ o . ..,, ran , rm er, a eun Office, No. 11
e ty of London, was not to un,say what he Mr- it. (Cheeesd Ide legainee in tiact, ,-_,., "I's'c'•
4 4.lPWiti• tb.'" '
4 4). ''''''::Le 'before Strand, in the Precinct of the Savoy, in the county of
•• -- -J,-- 4 would always Middlesex, Saturday, March 26, 1859.

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