The Sun.
London, England, 1835-02-26 00:00:00

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This was an unexampled dissolution, without th.q min.'s •st ben,
meet the existing Parliament. Mr. Pitt found a 17lajor..
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Yeadgiassinolved it,
and told the house that it did not represent the country: ---s „is favour
and what was the result ? Why, a majority of about 126 in.. wa, to
=-=fl-Twat, hear, hear.) If a dissolution were the proper' • .ties
aledrtair) the sense of the country, he contended the present diseoh.
proved that It was not in favour of the present Ministry. The ~h43‘
gentlemen opposite had tried every means to swell their ra2.1:4
they had tried what adulation would do with the noble '''txv
(Stanley.) Like one of the Weird Sisters they said to him
a
scion of the house of Stanley, minister that shall be, hail —acid
cheering)—hear us in our extremities, favour us in our miseries, nd as.
thou art powerful be merciful.—(Cheers and laughter.) Oh, hard-hearted
lord lord ! Oh flinty statesman! hast thou no pity upon us ?" But it
of no use—the noble lord told them that lie had an utter wan
confidence confidence in them ; unlike the person who was addressed by the We",-
Sister, he would not be tempted to destruction—(Great cheering) :he
would not be induced to swerve from the high and honourable principle'
of his house—he would not become the associate and supporter of these;
by struggling against whom he had obtained the approbation of,
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charmed the country. The subject of tithes in Ireland was the en
one upon which the noble lord differed from the ministry of Earl Girli
Ile should not have discharged his duty if he did not profess his*
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of confidence in the present Administration, and his earnest wish and hen
that the time would arrive when a Government, would possess
the
confidence of the people, and the majority of this house, without will!:
he was sure that it was impossible to carry on the Government old
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safety to the country, or with satisfaction to the House. He wou
avail himself of the opportunity to answer some of the observations
which had been made by the honourable member for Lincoln.
(Great laughter, with cries of " No, no," from the 0
In noticing that observation, it is certainly not my intention to honour
the honourable gentleman—(No, no, hear from the Opposition)
with any explanation from myself—(Hear, hear)—since, whatever
might have been s lid elsewhere, he should not feel justified in at
on the attention of the house, by entering on explanations
foreign to its purpose. It had been told the house that he had done 01%,
which a hundred persons had done before him—that lie had compare;
the evils of an iii7cditary monarchy with those of an elective—and h
commented on the measures producing the late dissolution—a dissolution
which he felt to have destroyed the confidence of the people—he had bee.'
accused of abusing her Majesty's confidence; but in answer to that De
would himself publicly declare, anti would defy any one to produce
_a!
instanCe wherein he had made use of expipssions beyond those which is.
duly as an ativccate compelled him to use; and ;:p defied any one top rodac.c:
an instance in which he had allowed the public to know a single
Ppositi.)
cumstance which, in his capacity, he ought nt3t to have Pe_
lisped. On the other halal, he defied them to instance an occasion .o,r,
which he had ever abstained from speaking in a manner, however bold,
which a sense of duty called for.
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Mr. PRAED—The hon. and learned gentleman who just
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had, as it appeared to him (Mr. Praed), in the beginning co
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speech forgotten himself, as he certainly in its close seemed t
sight of the question before the house. (Hear, hear.) He cs,
ceived that hon. and learned gentleman should not have en b 1
voured to justify the course he would take in that night's debate, fe
a reference to his conduct as an advocate in the question in which
late Queea Caroline was involved. In replying to the nhr.A
vations which the honourable and learned Gentlemen had addre
to the House, he should not notice the statements which in his cape' 7.
of a member of Parliament he had addressed to his constituents elsewhe ;
He (Mr. Praed) was a far less distinguished member of the bar, and s
should not take notice of the encomium bestowed by Lord Eldon 110
Dr. Lushington. He would not be led away into expresEieb
calculated to influence the passions of his constituents, Wh.to
was too much the practice of hon. members. He would not enter 10.1
considerations which would altogether be foreign to the subjeet
fore them.—(Hear, hear.) The learned gentleman had fewas-t
fault with the reasons assigned by the right honourable 109_,
for the course he had pursued, and it was to that part of his observa:
tions that he (Mr. P..) intended calling the attention of the boar;
The first reason assumed by Dr. Lushington, for the dissolution of tn;
late Administration was the secession of the noble lord, the duke
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Richmond, and others. The second reason which had been assigned
was the secession of Lord Althorp, and the third reason aodgor
was the memorable letter written by the hon. and learned ' member.,i,
not
the city of Dublin. Now in these three particulars he had t finno'i
stated the case. The secessions from the Cabinet, and the Yesign4r for
Lord Althorp, induced Lord Grey to declare that it was impOilible.no
him to carry on the Government, and the subsequent seeil°ll-0
which took place, caused his Majesty to dismiss a ministry thatedest
incomplete and inefficient. Without referring to the Pree refo
quoted by the right honourable baronet last night in he
rence to the holding of several offices provisionally,
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reminded the house, that on the 12th of April, 1, 00
Mr. Canning vacated his seat for the borough of Newpo".,4
becoming Secretary of State, but it was not until the Ist of MaY 741
Mr. Sturges Bourne, Lord Dudley Stuart, and the present Earl of itirtio
took office.—(Hear.) The house would find that those to whern
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formation of that Cabinet was entrusted, acted just in the same On,
as is now complained of in the case of the Duke of Wellingtlot
(Hear, hear.) He would now remind honourable gentlemen Gll
the temporary arrangement which took place lasted 0011 to
the return of the right honourable baronet from Italy. Its
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what the honourable and learned gentleman (Dr. Lushingtooloo
stated, respecting the responsibility assumed by those adl_ao,
who recommended the dismissal of the Melbourne administr;„
he (Mr. P.) could not complain after the speech of the right fobtheyl
net last night, in which he distinctly stated that he would not ;to
from a single iota of whatever responsibility might attach
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him. But then the dissolution of Parliament was spolie!..o
They had all heard a great deal of the merits of Parliamentary
and when the last Parliament was sitting, thcy could not forget then,
guage that was used respecting it. The right hon. baronet (Sir Pp
Peel) gave us some specimens last night of the terms in ribinoo
was described, especially by one hon. and learned gen.... tin if
(Mr. O'Connell.) He (Mr. Praed) would refer the linut Of
the speeches oft o hon. members on that subject, and the St,' le
would mention was the gallant and honourable member for
titer (Col. Evans). During the last Parliament, when the questic42,
the duration of Parliament was brought forward, that gallant
asked them if they really believed the House of Commons trastja
distinguished as some seemed to imagine fbr enjoying
confidence of the people, and if so, they were greatly dec6l7o
—if, said he, honourablegentlemen would go back to to the lu°_..tisel
and say, they voted for the Irish Coercion Bill ; for the For
of so many millions to the owners of West India Estates ; and,,ago
the poor la, amendment bill, vesting is three Commissions s`lo
millions of revenue—he (Col. E.) said, he would like
know if they would be again returned. The hon. and learned ni.,4 to
for Tipperary, (Mr. Shiel), in speaking on the same question, objecAisl-01
the duration of Parliament, not generally, but to the last partiot
in particular. What had they done, the learned gentleman 11' nit
They had renewed the Bank Charter. He asked also if they jO:ose
gressed, (to use an American phrase) what would they not do if Old go
tinued creeping on so six years longer ? They on his (the ministerial)sos
of the house who were the advocates of long parliaments could retcgd
the members of the opposite side, and ask them why they, the adrn(lie
of short parliaments, were displeased at this sudden change ? We've/
opposed to the adage, that "short reckonings make long friendslii
With respect to the duration of Parliaments under the Reform lh t",s,
was argued that there ought to be a short duration,
and he though d
because by it there was a new constituency created, which constitute
had no experience, and were not qualified to exercise that franc,
which they were so ambitious to obtain. And there was °0
reason why the late Parliament should not have had a A es'
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duration, because the elections were the offipring of fevei Bn-,11.)
citement, created by the granting of that measure.—(Loud eitA`"lo
And those elected under it, were chosen more out of gratlens;al
those who voted for the measure, than from the exercise of a
discretion, in his own borough, where there were a large /
stituency of ten pound freeholders and of the corporati°;..lo
(Laughter and cheers.) If tee gentlemen on the opposite
sneered at the word corporation, he would call his b'°,,,°los
a close one if they chose.—(Laughter.) But this he must say, that ,t 0
he canvassed the 10/. freeholders, he was refused upon the grounder
had not voted for the reform bill.—(Cheers.) When the present e-orf
ment was examined, it would be found that the conservative 04001
was not half represented. The dissolution of the late Parllnilt
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was made a ground of complaint against the present Ministry, taik
conceived that there were no grounds for such a charge, as it 17'0
solved at a period when the country was perfectly tranquil, and Woof'
state to form a just judgment of the nature of their fr 3,011
He would ask whether the present House of Commons fairly rel3'.-01
the nation ? If it did it was clear that,the last did not. Thereof"
at least two hundred gentlemen in the present house who hag te,
ver been in Parliament before, and about one hundred who w,"
in the last. Now, did not that show to his Majesty gel
wish of the people to support his present advisers by returning
number of Members who were unconnected with, and unpledeu
Administration?—(Hear, hear.) He would say thus it° oikst
was pointed out last night by the right hon. baronet ran"'
swerably, that the speech from the throne, and the addreoisei
his Majesty were far more distinct than the esPr_,'
to be found in the amendment. His Majesty's ministers, tp
pointed distinctly to the tithe question in Ireland, but WhinbooSeA
noble lord, in his amendment, had wrapped up in vague, 09:1
rity.—(Hear, hear, hear.) If the noble lord desired teoods'
his amendment effective, heshould point out the steps which he ihn;e00:1
to take to remedy those abuses in the church of Ireland which"" OS;
plained of. It was admitted that, upon this question, there waset
differences of opinion between the right honourable D7'',0405
the head of the Government and those who constituted the hrotir%
opposition. Why, was not that difference distinctly before the th
He would only refer to one question that was mentioned 'ctielr,
the Speech sad the Address, and that was—Municipal CorPero,
The noblelord in his amendment thanked his Majesty for ordering :40,
of the municipal commissioners to be laid before the house, acid hove'
his Majesty that their best attention should be given to its consi"00100
The borough of Norwich had been referred to as a close coreel D,
He had no doubt that the noble lord behind him (Lord Stornlollo
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found out long since that it was no such thing—(hear, and:ou
He placed confidence in the Government of the right P tlfel
baronet, because he had never found him an Anti-Reformer, 1.60,i
reforms which were calculated for the support of the ConstAULeriStr,
the good of the people.—(Cheers.) He trusted if honourable ;ea"
thought it right to attack the right hon. baronet's goTer4o,
that they would find much better ground than that of fol,;e'
licy—( Loud cries of " Question, question," and " Hear, "v "
amid which the hon. member sat down. Oa 01
Mr. SHEIL then rose and said, the hon. and learned gentle bi
had just sat down had shown great skill and ability in his sPee`,..,d, orid
had done him the honour of quoting a passage from his IfP'L 'est
the motion for electing Mr. Abercromby as Speaker, but "-oleo
ask whether it was fair to bring in that now, whether Parlialnensuebi
be reduced from seven to four years, when there had lately hee.inotS9
unusual stretch of the prerogative—(Cries of " No")—he WOW' -to
by that word then, but qualify it a little. He would couleelotr:o
question before the house, and he must deny that the 14 IfiA,4
administration was any thing at all belonging to that on fare
head was Lord Grey. The Melbourne administration 500 o'l
upon one great and essentially good principle—the correction ,of
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abuses of the church establishment in Ireland.—(Great Co° Ord
The honourable and learned gentleman had tried hard t°
the Melbourne administration with the Grey one, b°
were perfectly distinct—the Melbourne one wss teat4l,
upon the almost unanimous declarations of its member', se a
revenues of the Established Church in Ireland should he thstele
ated in a different manner than they now were. We contentbef
tbst
is essentially necessary for the peace and welfare of Ireland oat of
must be a new distribution of those revenues, and it is uPn° that,
that we vote for the amendment, and it was un that Pint
Premier had dissolved Parliament. In his most e!'i te
hee /10
of last night, he had not attempted to put his resolution to
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upon the fantastical grounds upon which it had then beenoPftee leis
hon. gentleman. He would then inquire into the conductea R 1 e 1
opposite since the passing of the Reform Bill. Had they S'et
pia lsd,)
these few years in the spirit of the Reform Bill, as their dieer, ft
were now fully prepared to do.—(Loud and continue,.
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The hon. baronet boasted that they had suppressed rnani,,,T4 r°_,rti,
the Grey Cabinet ; but that was the reason, he said. ,n—viev..o)
acted in the spirit of the Reform Bill, because those (COV
were the very ones which they and his party opensed. at lord°,
But it was a question on which the late administration were WS. )
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with the feelings of the majority of the people of Ireland, t''o
hon. Baronet did tender his support to the administratinnthe ebroef
What did the right hon. Bart. oppose ? Did he not oplonse," ,areh
Reform Bill which contained a clause for the abolition-of 1-' • lad
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in Englandand cries of " No, no.") that f'
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER observe a
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on the contrary expressed a decided and distinct opinion in
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abolition of church rates. 000 spel
Mr. SHEIL resumed; and assured the house,
with teu
ma 'y, that he felt the greatest satisfaction in being °,:ioo of
statement; but he believed that the clause for the 001hgta