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head ; but it was rather strange to found upon that an
argument that the Member for Gateshead should be pre-
served. He (Mr. C.) knew at least ten places of greater po-
pulation, of greater wealth, and, which was the most im-
portant consideration, at a greater distance from any other
represented place, than Gateshead ; and to any one of
which places, therefore, the preference ought to be given.
Adverting to the instructions which had been given to the
Parliamentary Commissioners, he mentioned that those
instructions seemed absolutely to prescribe to them to ex-
clude Gateshead. In the county of Durham, there were
six boroughs in a circle of ten miles; four of which were
new creations. There was a greater number of Members
eccumulated by the Bill in the north-east corner of Dur-
ham than even in the metropolis. There could not he a
stronger proof that Toxteth Park required representation
than that it was so distinct from Liverpool, that the
Hon. Member for Liverpool was not aware that a public
meeting had taken place at Toxteth Park on the sub-
ject, and had consequently on a former evening mis-stated
the opinions of the inhabitants. He (Mr. Croker)
admitted that, on all the principles of the Bill, Mer-
thyr Tydvil had a superior claim to Toxteth Park ; for it
was more extensive in wealth and population, was twenty-
seven miles from any other represented place, and had no
connection with any such place. But while he allowed
this, be could assure the inhabitants of Toxteth Park
that they need not despair. There were other cases still
grosser than that of Gateshead, which would afford
abundant means of giving Toxteth Park a representative,
and in considering the respective merits of which the ad-
vocates for Toxteth Park would most assuredly have the
triumph in argument, whatever they might have in
numbers.

Mr. EWART observed that the Right Hon. Gentleman
had charged him with having misrepresented (Mr. Croker
slid across the table " mis-stated")—with having mis-
stated the opinion of the inhabitants of Toxteth Park ; the
fact being. merely that he had not heard of that opinion.
He would, however, take a lesson on the subject from the
Right Hon. Gentleman, the singular accuracy of whose
statements could be equalled only by the extraordinary
modesty with which they were delivered.—(Hear, hear,
hear.) He objected to any proposition such as that made
by the Hon. Member for Carmarthen, because, if they
once introduced such changes in the Bill, it might be dif-
ficult to stop.
Mr. CROKER said if the Hon. Member wished for a
lesson from him he should have one. It was this—what
he had charged the Hon. Gentleman with he bad stated in
a Parliamentary way, frankly aid openly. Would the
Hon. Gentlema❑ take this lesson from him ? to learn to
scorn low insinuation, and mean and calumnious sarcasm ?
—(Hear, hear.) Would the Hon. Member tell him of a
single statementWOUli the Hon. Mend er put his finger
upon one assertion, which he (Mr. Croker) had ever made
in Parliament, or elsewl ere, inwhich he was not supported
by the fact ? It was frequently the cue that when a man
found he had a bad cause, he endeavoulted to pick a quarrel
with his nearest neighbour. He did not wish to quarrel
with the Hon. Member, but if the Hon. Member must
have a quarrel, he should have it.—(Loud cries of Hear,
hear ! Chair ! Chair !)
The CHAIRMAN appealed to the good sense and Par-
liamentary experience of the Right Hon. Gentleman if it
was worth his while to pursue this course of observations.
Mr. CROKER replied that the lion. Chairman had put
the matter in a way in which he perfectly agreed with him.
It was not worth his while.—(Hear, hear.)

Lord MILTON contended that he instructions which
had been given to the Parliamentary Commissioners were
not liable to the interpretation which had been put upon
them by the Right Hon. Gentleman.
Lord D. STEWART thought that it would be better
to give one Member to Cardiff and other to Merthyr
Tydvil, or two Members to the towns jointly, than to give
Members to the places named in the schedule.

Mr. RUSSELL said a few words which were not dis-
tinctly heard in the gallery.

Lord SANDON thought he was bound to state that
he had that night, on his way into the House, met a
deputy from Toxteth Park, who stated that he spoke
the feelings of numerous public meetings, and that the
inhabitants were unanimous i❑ their wish for represen-
tation,—(Cheers,)--and that they expressed great regret
at their wishes not having been before understood.—
(Cheers.) They farther regretted that their memorial to
tl e Secretary of the Home Department had been lost
sight of.—(Cheers.) For himself he would say, that he
considered Durham already sufficiently represented ; and
be thought Merthyr Tydvil had that distinct and extensive
interest which entitled it to representation.—(Hear, bear.)
_ . .

Mr. STANLEY observed that, in the course of the
debate, some expressions had fallen from Hon. Members
which, in a cooler moment, they could not fail to regret,
and which he doubted not must have given pain to the
whole House. His Hon. Friend, the Member for Liver.
pool, LaA, in attempting to retort upon an accusation of
inaccuracy made against him by the Right Hon. Gentle-
man (Mr. Croker), used an expression—political tergiver-
sation—which was calculated to give offence to the Right
Hon. Gentleman. But he was quite confident that " ter-
giversation' was not the word his Hon. Friend intended
to use. It was not at all applicable, and it might have been
observed he (Mr. Ewart) paused for a moment before he
used it, in search of some more appropriate word. In
reply to his Hon. Friend, however, the Right Hon.
Gentleman had used the expressions—" attempting to
pick a quarrel," " mean and calumnious attacks," and the
like—which were not in accordance with the courtesy ob-
served in that House ; and then, when the Honourable
Chairman had put to the Right Hon. Gentleman, whether
it was worth his while to pursue a personal quarrel of
this nature farther, he had used the words—" It is not
worth my while," with a tone and manner, and with a
gesture, which was certainly calculated to convey an im-
pression of personal offence to his Hon. Friend. It
would, accordingly, be a great satisfaction to the House if
both Hon. :Members disclaimed the intention of giving
personal offence.—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. ENVART rose to confirm what had fallen from his
Right Hon. Friend.--(Hear, hear.) He did not intend
to offer any insult to the Right Hon. Gentleman, or to
convey any ungenerous sentiment.—(Hear, hear.) He had
used the word " tergiversation" unintentionally, and
nothing could be farther from him that any wish upon his
part to hurt the Right Han. Gentleman's feelings. He
was sorry for the expression, and bad not the intention of
casting on the Right Hon. Gentleman a shadow of the im.
putation which it was supposed to convey.—(Hear.)
Mr. CROKER said that the words to which his reply
had been particularly addressed were, that " his inaccuracy
had become proverbial." It was to that opinion he bad
directed his answer. But if the Hon. Member did not
mean any insinuation against him, his reply was uncalled
for; and as there was nothing which it could meet, he
had no hesitation in saying it fell to the ground.—(Cheers.)
He had also no hesitation in saying, that he regretted
that the Hon. Member had not a little more clearly ex-
plained himself.—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. EWART said he had only intended to use " inac-
curacy" in the same sense in which it had been previously
applied to himself by the Right Hon. Gentleman.—(fhe
Hon. Member made one or two other observations,
which were not audible in the gallery:).

Sir C. WETHERELL expressed himself favourable to
the amensiment.

Mr. HUNT concurred with him on this question.
Mr. A. BARING said that Gateshead had, in propor-
tion to its size and wealth, a greater number of freemen of
Newcastle resident in it, than Newcastle itself ; and re-
marked that the,e residents of Gateshead would, under
the Bill, enjoy a right of voting for both places ; since, as
they were within seven miles of Newcastle, their right, as
freemen of that borough, would not be forfeited.

Sir M. RIDLEY ;aid, that out of 3,000 freemen of
Newcastle, there were only 200 resident at Gateshead,
and that among them there were not ten 101. householders.
The Committee then divided—
For the Amendment 167
Against it 214
Majority for Ministers
On the re-admission of strangers to the Gallery, we found
Lord MORPETH referring to a petition from Hudders-
field, which he had that evening presented in the absence
of his Majesty's Ministers. He thought that the repre-
sentations of the petitioners were entitled to some consi-
deration. They stated that the town was the property of
one individual, and that the inhabitants hold their pro-
perty on as frail a tenure as the electors of any borough in
the kingdom ; they therefore prayed that the whole pa-
rish should he included in the new borough.
Mr. LYTTLETON said that the Commissioners, in
adjusting the boundaries of the new boroughs, had not
taken into account either the persons or the political party
to whom any town belonged.
Lord MILTON denied that the whole, or even the
greater part, of Huddersfield belonged to one individual.
Mr. STRICKLAND thought that the importance of
Huddersfield was such as to entitle it to two Members, and
that the whole parish ought to be included in the borough.
Mr. RAMSAY said that the whole of the town, ex-
cept one house, belonged to a noble relation of his, and had
belonged for generations to the same family, but he denied
the property had ever been used for electioneering purposes.
The Resolution that Huddersfield stand part of sche-
dule D was then agreed to.

Kidderminster, Kendal, and Rochdale, were then seve-
rally voted part of the schedule, without discussion.
On the question being put that Salford (Lancashire)
stand part of the Schedule,

Mr: STUART WORMY protested against giving a