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WHITEHALL, JAN.

WAR-OFFICE, FEB. 10, 1532

DECLARATION OF INSOLVENCY.
FILCHER JONES, Folkestone, Kent, cabinet-maker.
BANKRUPTCY SUPERSEDED.
JOHN SAUL BYRON, Boston, Lincolnshire, draper.
BANKRUPTS.

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FROM THE GAZETTE OF LAST NIGHT.

At the Court at St. James's, the 6th day of February, 1532,
PRESS NT,
The King's Most Excellent Majesty in Council.
It is this day ordered by his Majesty in Council, that his Grace
the Archbishop of Canterbury do prepare a form of prayer to
Almighty God, to be used, instead of the prayer prepared in pur-
suance of his Majesty's Order in Council of the 2d November
la's, in all Churches and Chapels during the continuance of that
grievous disease with which several places in this kingdom are at
this time visited : and it is hereby further ordered, that his Ma-
jesty's printer do forthwith print a competent number of the said
form of prayer, that the same may be forthwith sent round and
read in all the Cathedral, Collegiate, and Parochial Churches
and Chapels throughout those parts of the United Kingdom
ealled England and Ireland, as soon as the Ministers thereof shall
receive the same. C. C. GREVILLE.

At the Court at St. James's, the 6th day of k ebruary, 183'2,
PRESENT,
The King's Most Excellent Majesty in Council.
It is this day ordered by his Majesty in Council that every Mini-
ster and Preacher, as well of the Established Church in that part
of Great Britain called Scotland, as of the Episcopal Communion
lirotected and allowed by an Act passed in the tenth year of her
late Majesty Queen Anne, c. 7, and intituled " An Act to pre-
vent the disturbing those of the Episcopal Communion in that
part of Great Britain called Scotland in the exercise of their re-
ligious worship, and in the use of the Liturgy of the Church of
England," and for repealing the Act passed in the Parliament of
Scotland, intituled "An Act against irregular baptisms and
marriages," do, during the continuance of that grievous disease
with which several places in this kingdom are at this time visited,
at some time during the exercise of Divine Service in such re-
apeetive,Church, Congregation, or Assembly, put up their prayer
Ay Almighty God on account of such visitation, inste.d of the
prayers put up in pursuance ' isMajesty's Order in Council of
the second November last. C. C. GRE VILLE.

ST. JA3IES'S PALACE, FED. 4, IS3'2.
The King was this day please.l to confer the honour of Knight-
hood upon Lieutenant-General Charles Bulkelev Egerton,
Knight Commander of the Royal Hanoverian Guelphic Order.

WHITEHALL„ FEB. 8.
The King has been pleased to direct letters patent to be passed
under the Great Seal, granting to Thomas Francis Kennedy,
E. the office of Clerk of the Ordnance of the United Kingdom
of Greut Britain and Ireland.

WHITEHALL, Fr.a. 8.
The King has been pleased to grant to the Reverend Evelyn
Levett Sutton, M.A. the place and dignity of a Prebendary of
the Collegiate Church of St. Peter, Westminster, void by the
death of Doctor Andrew Bell.

The Lord Chancellor has appointed Peter Guillebaud Meares,
of the city of Bath, Gent. to be a Master Extraordinary in the
High Court of Chancery.

WHITEHALL, Fes. 6.
The Lord Chancellor has appointed William Henry Thompson,
of Chesterfield, in the county of Derby, Gent. to be a Master
Extraordinary in the High Court of Chancery.

CROWN-OFFICE, FEB. 10.
MEMBER RETURNED TO RIME IN THIS PRESENT PARLIAMENT.
('ITT OP WRIITMINSTER.—Sir John Caul Hubhouse, Burt.

Bth Regiment of Light Dragoons—Liea Sir W. L. Young,
Bart., to be Adjutant, vice Shewell, who resigns the Adjutantcy
only, Feb. 10, 1832.

Iffiti Light Dragoons—Brevet Colonel T. W. Brotherton, from
the half-pay, to be Lieut.-Colonel, repaying the difference be-
tween the full-pay of Infantry and Cavalry, Feb. 10.
Coldstream Regiment of Foot Guards—Lieut. and Capt. W.
H. Cornwall to be Captain and Lieut-Colonel, by purchase, vice
Peters, who retires; Ensign and Lieut. J. Forbes to be Lieu-
•enant and Captain, by purchase, vice Cornwall; Hon. F. W. C.
Villiers to be Ensign and Lieutenant, by purchase, vice Forbes ;
apt. C. W. Horton to be Adjutant, vice Cornwall, Feb. 10.
4th Foot—Capt. R. M. Westmacott, from 98th Regiment, to
Captain, vice Mahon, who exchanges, Feb. 10.
13th Foot—Capt. J. M. Maitland, from the half-pay of the 5,2 d
Regiment, to be Captain, vice R. Hare, who exchanges, receiv-
ing the difference, Feb. 19.

`‘..loth Foot—Capt. W. T. R. Smith from the half-pay, to he
Captain, vice M A. Stanley, who exchanges, receiving the diffe-
ence' Feb. 10.
aldFoot—Lieut. G. Browne to be Captain, without purchase,
vice Reoch, deceased; Ensign J. Dillon to be Lieutenant, vice
Browne; Gent. Cadet W. Case, from the Royal Military College,
to be Ensign, vice Dillon, Feb. 10.

48th Fo,itLLieut. J. Watson, from half-pay of the 2,1 Garri-
son Battalion, to he Lieutenant, vice Egar, appointed to the
Bth Regiment, Feb. 10.

57th root—.F. H. Jackson, Gent, to be Ensign, by purchase,
vice Blythe, promoted in the Ist West India Regiment, Feb. 10.
65th F'oot—Lieut. H Elton, from the half_pay of the 2241
Light Dragoons, to be Lieutenant, yicc NV. Tucker, who ex-
changes, Feb. It).

766 Foot—Hon. T. Murray to be Ensign, by purchase, vice
Bruce, promoted, Feb. 10.
95th Foot—Brevet-Major D. Mahon, from the 4th Regiment,
to be Captain, vice Westmacott, who exchange; Feb. 10.
2d West India Regiment—Lieut. J. Hodges, from the half-pay
of the York Chasseurs, to be Lieutenant, vice Bell, appointed
to the Roval Newfoundland Veteran Companies, Feb. IU.
Ceylon Regiment—Lieut. G. Hamilton,from the half-pay of
the 5.9 d Regiment, to be Lieutenant, vice H. Sharpin, who ex-
changes. Feb. 10.
BREVET.—The under-mentioned Cadets of the Hon, the
East India Company's Service to have the temporary rank as
Ensigns during the period of their being placed under the com-
mand of Colonel Pasley, of the Royal Engineers, at Chatham,
for field instructions in the art of Sapping and Mining :
Gent. Cadet R. H. Chapman, Gent. Cadet It. Leech, Gent.
Cadet C. Walker, Gent. Cadet N. C. Macleod, Gent. Cadet C.
M. Elliott, Gent Cadet J. Spens, Gent. Cadet W. Jones, Feb. 10.
HOSPITAL STAFF.—Assistant-Surgeon J. Gillice, from the
P2th Regiment, to be Staff-Assistant-Surgeon, vice Johnston,
appointed to the 62d Regiment, Feb. 10.
MEMO ItANDA.—The appointment of Lieut. Furnell, from
the half-pay of the let Foot, is to the 57th Foot, and not to the
er2d Itegimeut, as stated in the Gazette of the 3d instant.
The date of Lieut. Whittell's promotion, in the 35th Regiment,
is the 17th December, 1831, and not the 7th June, 1131, as for-
xnerly stated.

WILLIAM YOU Ayr, Nassau-street, Middlesex-hospital,
druggist, to surrender Feb. 22 and March 25, at ten, at the Court
of Bankruptcy. Cardales and Newton, South-square, Gray's Inn.
STEPHEN HANNUM, Oxford, carpenter, Feb. 15, at ten,
and March M, at eleven, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Sutcliffe
and Birch, New Bridge-street.
JOSEPH JACKSON, Rochester, brush-maker, Feb. 21, at
two, and March 23, at twelve, at the Court of Bankruptcy, Neild,
King-street, Cheapside.
JAMES MONTAGUE, Charlotte-street, Bedford-square,
jeweller, Feb. 24, at eleven, and March 23, at ten, at the Court
of Bankruptcy. Spyer, Broad-street-buildings.
DONA I. 11) GRANT, Torquay, Devonshire, builder, Feb. 21,
ot one, and March 23, at eleven, at the Court of Bankruptcy.
'1 eesdale, Symes, and Weston, Fenchurch-street.
J A MES CRESHA W JEWSB URY, Canterbury, linen-draper,
Feb. 21 and March 23, at ten, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Hard-
wick, Lawrence-lane, Cheapside.
THOMAS JONES, Kiddermtnster, druggist, Feb. 2.3 and
March 23, at eleven, at the Swan Inn, Stourport, Worcestershire.
Michael, Red Lion-square, Holborn, London ; Bird, Kidder.
minster.

DAVID DANIEL DAVIS, Fitzroy.square, boarding-house-
keeper, Feb. 17, at two, and March 23, at ten, at the Court of
Bankruptcy. Selby, Sergeant's Inn, Fleet-street.
RICHARD LONGWORTH, Upper Rawclitre, Lancashire,
rush-dealer, March '2 and 20, at eleven, at the office of Messrs.
Harrison and Son, Preston. Back, Verulam-buildings, Gray's
Inn-lane, London ; Harrison and Son, Preston.
JOHN DAVIS, Bourton-on-the-hill, Gloucestershire, auc-
tioneer, Feb. 15, at the George Inn, Shipston-upon-Stour, Wor-
cestershire, and March 63, at the Bell Inn, Halford, Warwick-
ahire, at eleven each day. Findon and Wood, Shipton-uNn-
Stour ; Dyneley, Coverdale, and Lee, Gray's Inn.
JAMES POOLE, Worcester, comb-manufacturer, Feb. 23
and March '23, at twelve, at the Star and Garter Inn, Worcester.
Smith, Basinghall-street, London ; Parker and Smith, Worcester.
JOHN WARNER, Manchester, warehouseman, Feb. '25, '27,
as March 23, at two, at the Palace Inn, Manchester. Perkins
and Frampton, Gray's Inn-square, London ; Lewtas, Manchester.
JOSEPH GALE, Manchester, carver and gilder, Feb. 25, at
three, and March 23, at nine, at the York Hotel, Manchester.
Adlington, Gregory, and Faulkner, Bedford-row, London ; Claye
And Thompson, Manchester.

THOMAS TAYLOR, Clifford-street, Bond-street, mercer,
Feb. t 4, at eleven, and March 23, at one, at the Court of Bank-
ruptcy. Richardson, Ironmonger-lane.
WILLIAM MORGAN and GEORGE RICHARD ROACH,
at the ourf of ritifiliapp,, Feb. aat one, and 23, at eleven,
Jewry, London.
DIVIDENDS.

J, Sanderson, Gerrard's-cross, Bucks, victualler, March 2, at
ten, at the Court of Bankruptcy—R. W. Whitfield, Oxford-
street, ironmonger, March 2, at ten, at the Court of Bankruptcy
A. Glennie, J. S. Glennie, and W. Fry, New Broad-street,
merchants Feb. 20, at twelve, at the Court of Bankruptcy--W.
Gough, Windsor, coach-maker, March 5, at twelve, at the Court
of Commissioners—R. Holden, Mincing-lane, West India broker,
March 1, at twelve, at the Court of Bankruptcy= I'. l'eirson and
W. Sammon, Russia.row, Milk-street, Irish factors, March 5, at
ne, at the Court of Bankruptcy—W. Dennison, Toxteth-park,
Liverpool, ship-owner, March 22, at one, at the Clarendon-
rooms, Liverpool—J. Smith, Newcastle-under-Lyme, grocer,
March 5, at one, at the Roebuck Inn, Newcastle-under-Lyme—
R. Dandy, Great Drittield, Yorkshire, grocer, March 7, at twelve,
'w the Red Lion, Great Drittield—M. Carter, Gosport, South-
'Layton, miller, March 5, at twelve, at the Crown Inn, Gosport
—J. 14alley, Portsea, coal-merchant, March 12, at one, at the
Crown Inn, Gosport.
C E TI FICATES. MARCH, 2.

W. Burt, Great Castle-street, MiddleseZ, lodging-house-
keeper—W. Maurice, Dudley, Worcester, printer--J. Lees,
Alton, Staffordshire, innkeeper—J. Earl, Church-street, Hack-
1111V, cheesemonger—J. It. Tilstone, Cheapside, commercial agent
Hiatt, Crown-court, Broad-street, wine-merchant—C
Young, Craig's-court, Charing-cross, picture-dealer.

- PARTNERSHIPS DISSOLVED.
T. J'riddle and W. Manser, builders--J. Bewley and Co., Dias_
low, manufacturers, so far as regard. R. Thompson—J. and R.
Ashworth, Nunhill, Lancashire, woollen-manufacturers—R. P.
Wakefield and J. Billiter, Whitecross-street, curriers—T. W.
Atkins and J. Taylor, Birmingham, brass-founder.—p. Stephen.
son and J. Blaakritore, Queen-street, Horseferry-road, anchor-
.naiths—J. Drew and B. Goulson, Manchester, chemists—G. and
C. Ryland, Birmingham iron-merchants—C. W. Moore and H.
Cowli.haw, Shardlow, Derbyshire, malt-makers—E. Jones and
'l'. Roberts. Marchmunt-street, linen-drapers—W. Rawstorne
and Co., Preston, Lancashire, attorneys—F. Darby and Co.,
Colebroske.dale, Salop, iron.masters—J. Clowes and C. Wedge,
Coventry, ribbon-manufacturers—J. Lee and E. Hart, rag-mer-
chants—J. Stockfurd and R. Butt, Cannon-street, City, hair_
dressers—H. Foster and W. Smithson, Selby, Yorkshire, brick-
makers—T. Arbuthnot and Co., St. John-street, Clerkenwell,
curriera—R. Webb and J. B. Peters Bristol, coach-masters—J.
.Simpeon and H. T. F. Leake, Goswell-street, leather-sellers.

The Duke of. NEWCASTLE is expected in
town next week front his seat, Clumber Park, Notting-
hamshire.

SELECT VESTRIES.--A deputation of rate-
payers of the pariah of St. Marylebone, consisting of Sir
GzaAu NOEL, Baronet, /11. D., JOSEPH BUI'
E, Esq.,
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M.P., Sir SAMUEL S. S. WHALLEY, Dr. HARM"
soN, ALEXANDER. BOSWELL, Esq., Colonel Joisis
Mr. UNDERWOOD, and Mr. GREEN, accompanied by Mr.
JACKSON, the Honorary Secretary, this morning pre-
sented to the Churchwardens (the lion. Baronet Be:-
vsnrE and JOHN HALL, Esq.) a requisition signed by
abiut 700 flouseliolders of the first respectability, calling
for the abolition of the present system of self-elected irre.
sponaihle ve.tries, and the adoption of Sir Joints Hon.
Houses Vestries Act, by which the election of vestry-
men is pLced in the hands of the rare payers, who would
thus have a controul over the parochial funds, which in
-his great parish amounts to near'y 200,0001. per annum.
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IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

ROUSE OF COMMONS, FEBRUdAY 10.

(Continued from our Second Edition of yesterday.)
Mr. MACKINNON was anxious to state to the House
the real facts of this case. He could not see upon what
grounds the Hen. Gentleman had considered it his duty to
fasten imputations, unjust and and uncalled for, both on
Lord Salisbury and Mr. Andrews. He had resorted in-
deed, during the whole of his speech, to the jargon of
Reformers, which had so often been heard in that House,
hut he was very much mistaken if he expected Hon.
Members would be prevented from uttering their senti-
ments either by intimidation or abuse. In order to ex-
culpate the character of the Noble Lord, he would read
the following letter which he had received from that
respectable solicitor Mr. Andrews, who had been referred
to, and for the purpose of chewing that the allegations in
this petition were groundless, and false in reference to the
signatures of the address
" My dear Sir,—Mr. Duncombe, the Member for Hertford, has
given notice of his intention to present, this evening, a petition
from certain freeholders of Herts in favour of the Reform Bill ;
and complaining that their signatures were fraudulently ob-
tained to an address lately presented to his Majesty against Re-
form and a creation of Peers. I understand that lam one of the
persons said to have improperly obtained signatures (at Barnet),
and I shall feel much obliged by your making the following
statement to the House of Commons, on the presentation of such
petition.
" Some short time since I procured signatures at Barnet to an
address to his Majesty, against Political Unions, for a constitu-
tional Reform, and against the creation of new Peers.
" Several persons signed the address. Six of them—namely,
Mereweather, an ironmonger; Rolph, a baker; Thimbleby, a
pawnbroker; Salmon, a coachmaster; Weslake, a watchmaker ;
and Mr. Thomas Sears, a butcher—have now, at the instance of
a person of the name of Dell, signed a paper, stating that I de-
ceived them as to the purport of the address, and told them that
it was to get the assessed taxes taken off.—(Hear, hear.)
" Now I do most solemnly declare 'and am ready to do so upon
oath), that I distinctly acquainted the five first named persons
with the real nature and purport of the address--(Cheers from
the Opposition)—and that I never mentioned or alluded to the
assessed taxes in my interview with those persons.—(Cheers.)
" With respect to Mr. Sears, the following circumstances oc-
curred:—Mr. Sears is almost a next-door neighbour, and a very
excellent client and well-wisher of mine. I called upon him
with the address, and, in joke—(Oh, and hear)—asked him if he
would like the assessed taxes taken off.—(L•iud cries of Hear,'
from all parts of the House.) I then asked him to sign the
parchment which I had in my hand.—(Cheers from the Reform
benches.) He was about to do so, when I told him he had better
read it. He replied, that 'He didn't care what it was, that he
would sign any thing, and particularly if it was to hang the law-
yers.' Mr. Sears will state that what passed in regard to the as-
sessed taxes was in joke, and not for the purpose of deceiving
him. Dell is a political enthusiast; and has, from his assailing,
jeering, and annoying the six mentioned individuals, and taking
advantage of the occurrence with Sears, obtained their signatures
to the paper repudiating the address.
" I can prove by the testimony of a respectable person, that one
of the six persons who now states he was deceived, actually
acknowledged that he had read part of the address ; and I beg to
hand you testimonials from several highly respectable individuals
of the town and vicinity in which I reside, as to the respectability
of my character, and stating that they do not believe 1 would be
guilty of any act derogatory to the character of a man of honour
and a gentleman. Had I been aware a few hours stoner of this
matter being brought forward, I would have procured testimo-
nials from every gentleman in the neighbourhood, which I am
confident they would have readily given to me.
" I remain, my dear Sir,
" Your very obedient humble servant,
" AUGUSTUS THOS. A NDItEWES."
" To W. A. Mackinnon, Esq."
The HON. ME.mcza proceeded to say, that he held in hie
band a testimonial of the excellence of Mr. Andrewes's cha-
racter, signed by from twenty-five to thirty of the most
respectable gentlemen in Hertford. But Mr. Andrewes's
vindication did not rest on this alone. There was a letter
from the very individu rl, Sears, who now complained of
him, and who, he might observe, cared nothing about
Reform, and who feigned a zeal for it because the Hon
Member for Middlesex (Byng) was one of his employers,
in which Sears states—" It is true, when you requested
me to sign the address to the King, you did not explain to
me its purport ; at the same time I am free to admit, that
when you mentioned the assessed taxes, you did it jocosely,
and without any intention of deceiving me. I might have
read the address, but I declined doing so."—(Cheers from
the Opposition benches.) These letters, he took it, abun-
dantly disproved the Hon. Member's statement, founded
on the complaint of Messrs. Sears and Co. The truth
was, these persons cared very little about the Reform Bill,
while the intelligence and property of the county of Hert-
ford were decidedly opposed to it.
Mr. CURRIE (as we understood) bore testimony to the
respectability of the petitioners.
Lord STORMONT was acquainted with Mr. Andrewes,
and could take it upon him to say that a more respectable
man did not belong to his profession. That gentleman was
ready to meet the Hon. Member for Hertford at the bar of
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that House, and to bring forward evidence which would
completely destroy the Hon. Gentleman's statement. The
fact was the petition on which that statement was founded
was got up by a most disreputable person naisied Dell, who
was in fact neither more or less than a runaway horse-
dealer. A petition more unworthy of credit, and the
result of more despicable motives, and signed by more dis-
reputable persons, was not to be matched in the annals of
Parliament..

Mr. BYNG, in answer to the assertion of the Hon.
Member fur Lymington, that the intelligence, property,
and majority of the inhabitants of Plertford were opposed
to the Reform Bill, could take it upon him to state that not
one freeholder or inhabitant of thst county would willingly
sign a petition against that Bill. With respect to the peti-
tioner Sears, of whom mention had been made, he thought
it right to state that according to that person's version of
the interview between hint and Andrewes, the conduct of
the latter was not altogether sans reproche. Sears told
him that as he was in his shop en a Saturday, busy attend-
ing to his customers, Andrewes came in and exclaimed,
" Pray, Sears, do you wish to see the assessed taxes re-
pealed ?" " Oh, certainly," answered Sears, "by all
means." " Then you have only to put your name to this
petition—(Hear, hear)—which, however, you had better
read first."—( Hear.) To this Sears replied, "I am now,
as you see, very busy, and cannot spare time to read the
paper; but I am sure you would not deceive me as to its
import, and therefore sign it at once."—(Loud cries of
" Hear, hear.") Another of the petitioners, Mr. Weslake,
a watchmaker, told him that Andrewes played the same
trick with him.—( Hear, hear.)
Mr. MACKINNON was sure the House would see that
Sears' own letter was a direct contradiction to his state-
ment to the Hon. Member for Middlesex.

Sir C. WETHERELL said, with respect to what had
fallen from the Hon. Member for Hertford, in reference to
the policy of forcing the Reform Bill through the House
of Lords by a coup de main creation of Peers, he (Sir C.
Wetherell) would shortly have occasion to state his views
of the subject to the House, having an important motion
with respect to Peerage creations on the order list, and
would endeavour to show that such a creation would be
as illegal as unconstitutional, and destructive of the legis-
lative independence of the House of Lords. The Hon.
and Learned Gentlemen isy .siting that Le
.houltl not raise any objection to the reception of the peti-
tion, but this he did not hesitate to affirm, it had been
brought forward principally for the purpose of casting a
stigma upon two Noblemen of unimpeachable honour and
unbending integrity.--(Hear, hear.)
The Marquis of CHANDOS bore testimony to the good
character of the gentlemen (we believe Mr. Andrewes) to
whom the Hon. Member for Hertford had made what he
considered rather a discourteous allusion.
An Hos. MEMBER, whose name we could not learn,
observed that it was high time for Ministers to advise the
King to exercise his naval prerogative by an immediate
creation of such a number of Peers as might be found
necessary.—(Hear.)

Mr. CROKER thought it would be more becoming in
the Hon. Member if, considering the position in which he
stood with respect to Government, he had abstained from
tendering his advice to them so gratuitously on a subject of
such importance.—(Hear.)
The MEMIEL who had already spoken denied that be
stood in any peculiar relation towards Government which
should preclude his offering them any suggestions be
thought proper.

Mr. CROKER had merely meant that it would have
been more accordant with good taste, if so new a Member,
ind so very warm a friend of Government, had been less
dictatorial and dogmatic in the expression of his sentiments
on so important a subject.—( Hear.)
The MEstuxu. in question felt surprised that he should
have been taken to task on that account by the Hon.
Member for Aldborough.—( Hear, hear.)
Mr. BARING deprecated the incidental discussion of a
question of so much delicacy and importance on the mere
presentation of a petition.

Lord EBRINOTON said Ministers, in his opinion,
would not have been justified in bringing a Reform Bill
again into that House, after one of a similar kind had al.
ready been defeated, if they did not feel they had power
also to pass it through the House of Lords.—(Hear.) He
was certain a creation would not only cause no danger of
an impeachment of Ministers, but it would be received
with approbation and gratitude by the House of Commons.
—(Hear, heir.) That approbation and that gratitude
would likewise prevail out of doors, not with the mere
mob and rabble— (Hear, from Mr. Howr)—but amongst
those who--he said it with all respect for that House—
were as capable of forming sound opinions as any one who
then heard him.

Sir R. VYVYAN wondered that the Noble Lard, who
talked so feelingly of the delays which desultory discussions
by the Tories had opposed to the Reform Bill, that he, of
all men, should have prolonged a conversation like the pre-
sent, on a petition from six individuals hi Hertfordshire.

' --(Hear, hear, from the Opposition.) The subject, he
believed in his conscience, had been thus needlessly ob•
truded upon them for no other purpose than to procure
some strong expression of feeling on the question of the
creation, from those Members who were habitual sup-
porters of the present Government.—(Hear, hear.) The
King, he allowed, could even double the House of Lords
by his prerogative, hut the responsibility for the undue or
extreme exercise of that prerogative would rest upon the
heads of Ministers. The country should look to the fatethat
. had befallen France. When Louis Philip came to assume
the Royal power, he found his Government actually could
not be carried on unless he turned out the Peers who had
been created by Villele and his predecessors. They were
• extinguished accordingly, and new Peers were created by
. a new Ministry ; and with the majority thus obtained, the
hereditary Peerage itself was annihilated.—(Cheers from
the Opposition.)
Mr. O'CONNELL observed, that the question as to
what was the opinion of the people on this subject had
already been fully answered by the unanimous declaration
of every public meeting in town and country, that Peers
ought to be created.—(Hear.) There had been a great
deal of talk about the constitutional privileges of thePeera;
and he should like to be informed whether the nomination
of Members to sit in the House of Commons was one of
the constitutional privileges of the Peers which come Hnn.
Gentlemen so warmly advocated ?—(Hear, hear.) Ile
conceived th tt the existing slate of things was just that to
which the King's prerogative was meant to be applied.
The House of Lords h•id usurped the privilege of return-
ing Members to that House; and the King, a large majo-
rity of the house of Commons, and the people of England,
desired to Reform that abuse. But a majority of the
House of Lords had determined that that abuse should be
continued. How, then, were the differences of the two
Houses of Parliament to he reconciled ? Not by violence,
—there was no occasion for that, for the Constitution had
provided the means, by giving to the King the preroga-
tive of adding to the number of Peers.—(Hear, hear.) It
bad been stated on the one hand, and denied on the other,
that 3iinisters had received authority to create a sufficient
number of Peers to carry the Reform Bill. He confessed
that he had at first been inclined to believe that they pos-
sessed the power ; but when he saw Gazette after Gazette
appear without containing the names of any new Peers,
be began to doubt their power. If he saw but one Ga-
zette with twenty new Peers in it, he should be satisfied—
(Loud cries of hear)—and the fears of the count!),
would be set at rest; the people at I irge would see
that the Reform question was safe; they would re-
turn to their habits of business, and trade would re-
sume its natural channel.—(Cheers.) What watt wanting
was only one good Gazette, and then every thing would
go on right, though there would, to be sure, remain a fine
topic for declamation in that House.—(Laughter.) It had
been said, that the majority against the Bill was 61. In
that case, let Ministers create 122 Peers, and be sure.—
(Hear, hear.) The Tories had hei n making Peers for the
last 60 years; and how many of them had been called to
the House of Lords for services which they had done
against the people?—(Hear, hear.) The power of nomi-
nating two or three Members to the House of Commons had
been the surest means of securing to the owner admission
into the House of Lords. It was now high time that some
Peers were created for the services they were willing to do
the people.—( Hear, hear.)
Sir R. PEEL rose to protest against the right of these
petitioners calling upon the House to pass the Reform Bill
without delay. Here were six gentlemen, clearly not the
wisest in the world, who had chosen to sign a petition
which they had never read, and had provoked a discussio❑
on all the mysteries and arcana of Peer-making. He
therefore must expostulate with Messrs. Sears, Westlake,
and Thimbleby, &e., for pressing the House to proceed
with the Reform Bill, when they had themselves, by their
own negligence in signing petitions without reading them,
occasioned a discussion, by which the House had been pre-
vented from going into Committee for two hours past, and
perhaps passing two or three clauses.—(Hear, hear.) He
hoped, after this, the Noble Lord opposite would not ask
the House to sit on Saturday. With respect to the ques-
tion of creation of Peers, he would not assume the possibi-
lity of a Whig Government overpowering the independence
of the other House, and he should therefore wait to see
some better evidence of the probability of such an act being
cline, before he delivered his opinion on it. But if new
Peels were to be created, he thought the six petitioners
had as good a right to be made Peers as any other persons;
and if this violence should be done to the Constitution, he
hoped that the same Gazette which contained the 122
Peers desired by the Hon. and Learned Member, would
include among the numbers the name of Baron Thitribleby,
of Barnet,—(Laughter )

,
Mr. HUNT said, that the people, instead of crying out
for new Peers, were tired and sick of being talked to about
the Reform Bill. If it was mentioned to them, they at
once replied, " Oh, dear ! Do not talk about it." For
himself he did not care how- many Peers were created,
whether 50 or 5000 ; but he must say, in as solemn a tone
as his voice would permit hiei—(Laughter)—that if an
the present occasion the Ministers made a precedent of cre-
ating Peers for what they considered a good purpose, Ano-
ther Administration might make use of that precedent for
a bad purpose.

Sir A. AGNEW had given his support to the Reform
Bill, and had done so at a great sacrifice to himself of poli-
tical friendship ; but whenever twenty new Peers appeared
in the Gazette, from that moment he should cease to snp-
port the Bill.—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. CITRRIE could undertake to say that the electors
of Hertford were as anxious for it as ever.
After a few words from Mr. CRESSET PELHAM,
_ _

Mr. JAMES, in answer to the Hon. Member for Pres-
ton's statement that the people cared nothing about Reform,.
begged to state that he had only that morning received a
letter from his constituents in public meeting assembled,
calling him pretty severely to account for being absent on
the occasion of one division,—a circumstance which they
stated they had learned from his name not appearing in
the published list of the division.—(Laughter, and cries of
" Hear" from the Opposition.) It was pretty clear, then,
that there was no re-action i❑ C►rlisle He was not afraid
that the creation of Peers would ever be taken advantage
of by a bad Administration. It should always be remem-
bered that there would then exist a reformed House of
Commons, which would never agree to any measures pre-
judicial to the country.
The conversation then dropped, and the House resolved
itself into a Committee on the

REFORM (ENGLISH) BILL.
The 38th and 39th clauses were read and agreed to
without opposition.
The CHAIRUAN then read clause 40, by which the
barristers are appointed.
Mr. C. PELHAM said a few words, which were
inaudible.

Mr. CROK ER felt a serious objection to introduce the
Judges of the land into any political machinery.
Sir C. WETHERELL expressed his opinion that the
infusion of the judicial office into any subject connected
with the election of the House of Commons was improper.
Mr. BARING thought that it would, upon the whole,
be more satisfactory to leave the appointment of barristers
to the Judges thau to the Sheriff.
Lord ALTHORP agreed with the Hon. Member in
thinking that the Sheriff would be an improper per-
son to intrust with the power of nominating the bar-
risters. Upon the best consideration, he thought the
Judges were the most fitting persons to execute this itn-
portlnt duty, because they were least likely to be influenced
by political feelings.

Mr. GOULBURN moved the omission of that part of
the clause which rendered the appointments made by the
Judges subject to the approbation of the Lord Chancellor.
Lord ALTIIORP would agree to the amendment.
The amendment was then agreed to.
On the suggestion of Mr. KNIGHT,
Lord ALTHORP moved as an amendment, the intro-
duction of some words, declaring that no Member of Par-
liament could be appointed to act as barrister under
the Bill.

Sir C. WETHERELL objected to the power vested in
Barristers by the clause, as being unconstitutional.
Mr. A. BARING proposed an amendment to the clause,
to the effect (as we understood) of preventing barristers
concerned in revising the lists of voters at elections, from
appearing subsequently as advocates before Committees of
the H ,use of Commons, when the validity of the elections
in which they had been employed came to be determined.
Mr. BURGE opposed the amendment.
Mr. KNIGHT would remind the Hon. Member for
Thetford (Mr. Baring), that if a barrister so far forgot
himself as was contemplated in the amendment, the Com-.
mittee might refuse to hear him.
Mr. HUNT supported the amendment.
Mr. CAMPBELL said that in the practice of the civil
law throughout Europe, the Judge in one Court was not
an Advocate in the same cause in another Court. He
would, therefore, put it to the Hon. Gentleman who had
moved the amendment, to say whether the reputation of
the profession in England rendered the adoption of his mo-
tion necessary.

Mr. BARING, on the understanding that the members
of the legal profession admitted the irregularity of the
conduct on the part of barristers, for which his amend-
ment provided, consented to withdraw it.
The clause, as amended by Lord Aurttoar,was agreed to.
Clauses 41 and 42 were then read and agreed to.
The 43d clause, which make, provision fur places having

no overseers to make out the lists of voters, was agreed to
without discussion.
The 44th clause, which enacts that the town clerks of
all cities and boroughs shall prepare and publish the lists
of freemen entitled to vote for the same, was then passed
after a short discussion, of which it was impossible to
collect even the import, from the noise which prevailed in
the House.
The 45th clause, which enacts that all persons whose
names are admitted in the list of voters fur cities or bo-
roughs, shall be at liberty to give n•tice in writing to the
overseers or the town clerk, as the case may be, of their
intention to claim to have their names inserted,—and
which gives to all persons who shall have been inserted in
such lists, right to object to any other person as not being
entitled to have his name retained in such list,—and which
compels the overseers or town-clerks to publish lists of the
claimants and the persons objected to, and to affix copies
of such lists on the doors of all the churches within their
parish or township, or on the doors of their town-hall,
and to furnish a copy of each of such lists to any person
requiring the same for the fee of IP., was then put by the
Chairman,
Mr. GOULBURN objected to this clause.
Sir C. WETHERELL also thought that it would be
impossible to carry this clause into operation.
Lord J. RUSSELL defended the clause against these
objections.
A'ter a few words from Messrs. HUNT and WAITHMAN
the clause was agreed to.
The 46th clause, which makes provision for making out
a list of the Liverymen of London, and for holding the
elections at Guildhall, was then agreed to, after a few
remarks from 11r. Hunt, Sir C. Wetherell, and Aldermen
Wood, Waithman, and Venables.
The CHAIRMAN then put the 47th clause, empower-
ing Judges of Assize to appoint barristers to revise the
lists of borough voters.
Mr. Alderman VENABLES suggested, as an amend-
ment to the clause, that the barristers to be appointed for
the purposes of the Bill in the city of London should be
selected from the common pleaders of the city.
The clause, with the amendment, was then put and
agreed to.

-The 48th clause, empowering barristers appointed to
revise lists, upon due proof to insert or expunge the names
of voters, was, after a few verbal amendments, agreed to.
The CHAIRMAN the❑ read the 49th clause, empowering
the inspection by overseers of the tax assessments and
rate-books.

After a ►hort conversation, in which Sir C. WIITHE-
nicm., Lord ALTHORP, and Mr. GOULEUR.N, took part,
but which, from the continued noise in the House, was in-
audible in the gallery, the clause was agreed to.
The CHAIRMAN then read the 50th clause, which gives
to the barristers appointed under the Bill authority to ad-
minister oaths, &c., and providing that the lists of voters
should be settled and signed in open Court, and the clause
'vas agreed to without an observation.

The CHAIRMAN then put the 51st clause, by which
authority is given to the barristers to summon witnesses to
give evidence touching the matter pending before them,
and in case of refusal by the witnesses to be sworn to give
evidence, to commit such party refusing to the House of
Correction for seven days.
Sir C. WETHERELL objected to power being given
to any learned reformer to send to gaol.
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said, that such power
was reserved to all Courts, and that of the barristers under
this Bill ought not to be deprived of the power enjoyed
by other Judges.
Sir C. WETHERELL would never consent to any
such power being given to such a mummery of a Judge,
who, he supposed, must have his train-bearer and other
efficers.—(A laugh.)
Mr. HUNT concurred with what had fallen from the
Hon. and Learned Gentleman.
Lord ALTHORP was willing to change the imprison-
ment to a small fine.

Mr. GOULBURN thought that some difficulty would
arise from the wording of the clause.

Sir R. PEEL conceived another difficulty presented it-
self, for no party was bound to attend as a witness until his
reasonable travelling expenses had been tendered to him ;
and where, under the provisions of the Bill, he would ask,
was the party to make the tender ? If there was no such
party, how could the witness be bound to attend ?

• Lord ALTHORP had no hesitation, after the suggestions
which had been thrown out, in postponing the considera-
tion of the clause.

Sir It. PEEL said that the manner in which the sug-
gestions had bee■ met, afforded a great encouragement to
Hon. Members on his side of the House, by whom he was
sure suggestions for the improvement of the Bill would be
given in the same spirit as that in which they were met.
After a few words from Mr. WE LLKSLEY and Mr. HUNT,
which were inaudible,

The 52d clause, authorizing the appointment of addi-
tional barristers, in case of need, was agreed to without
amendment.

On the 53d clause, enacting that lists of voters for
counties shall he transmitted to the clerks of the peace,
and that lists of voters for cities or boroughs shall be kept
by the returning officers,
Sir R. PEEL inquired wbetber mistakes in, or omis-
sions of, Christian names were to be subjects of inquiry
before an Election Committee.

This inquiry led to a conversation, in which Lord Al-
thorp, the Attorney-General, Sir James Scarlett, Sir C.
Wetherell, Lord J. Russell, Mr. Campbell, and Mr.
Croker took part, but scarcely a word of it could be heard
in the gallery.
The clause was agreed to without an amendment.
The 54th clause, enacting that copies of the list and re—
gisters he printed for sale, was likewise agreed to without
amendment.

On the 55th clause, enacting that the expenses of over-
seers shall be paid out of the poor rate,
Sir 11. PEEL observed that this was an enactment of
considerable importance. It we. desirable that some
principles should be uniformly adhered to. Would the
Noble Lord object to a proposition, that all the necessary
expenses for carrying the Act into execution should be
paid out of the public purse? As the barristers were to
receive their five guineas a day out of the public treasury,
why should not the whole expense come out of the public
purse ? He had another ground of objection. The bo-
roughs were not, in all cases, to be co-extensive with the
parishes, and therefore, in some cases, the parish would be
burdened with an expense which would not properly be-
long to it.--(Hear.)
Lord ALTHORP said, that it would be most econo-
mical for the expenses of the overseers to fall on the parish
rather than on the public purse. It would be extremely
difficult to check the expenses of the overseers if they were
paid out of the public treasury. Although it was un-
doubtedly the case, that some of the boroughs were not
co-extensive with the parishes, yet the mode adopted in
the cl Luse was the best and most economical for all classes
of boroughs.

Mr. GOULBURN had a great objection to the pay-
ment of the overseer's' expenses out of the poor rates.
Mr. HUME thought that the voters themselves should
defray the small expenses incidental to the registry of
their votes.

Colonel WOOD agreed in the objections which had been
stared to this clause by several of his Hon. Friends.
Lord ALTHORP said, that if it were found upon in-
vestigation that a plan could be devised for attaching the
payment of those expenses to the actual voters, his Ma-
jesty's Government were most ready to give such a plan
the fullest consideration.--( Hear.)

Sir R. PEEL said, that as the candidate at an election
should have to defray a portion of the expense, it was most
desirable that, upon the principle of the Scotch Bill, the
voters should b• also made to pay a small sum each to-
wards defraying those expenses. It struck him that that
would be a better plan than the ono which threw those ex
pense3 on the poor-rates, for there was nothing that
Parliament should more carefully attend to than the
limiting and controlling parochial expenditure.---(Hear.)
Lord ALTHORP had no objection to postpone the con-
sideration of thir clause, if such was the desire of the Com.
mittee.—(Hear.) The clause was accordingly postponed.

The House then resumed, and the CHAIRMAN having
reported progress, obtained leave to sit again this day.
The other o; ders of the day were then disposed of, and
the House adjourned at One o'clock.

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IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT

(Tins DAY).

HOUSE OF COMMONS.

At a Quarter past Twelve o'clock the SPEAKER entered
the House.
Mr. Rider appeared at th• bar with returns of the amount
of assessed taxes.
Mr. Oliver, from the parish of St. John's, Clerkenwell, ap-
peared at the bar with papers relative to the highway rates in
that parish.
Lord ALTHORP expressed his hope, as their chief object
in meeting today was to forward the Reform Bill, Hon. Members
would occupy as little time as possible in presenting petitions,
and to avoid discussion upon them as much as possible.—(Hear.)
Mr. SADLER had some petitions upon a subject of consi-
derable importance, and to which he was anxious to direct the
attention of the House; but in compliance with the intimation
of the Noble Lord, he would take another opportunity of pre-
senting them.
Several Members, upon being called upon by the Speaker, de-
clined to present those petitions which they held.
BARRISTERS' ELECTION PAYMENTS.

Lord ALTHORP moved the Order of the Day for the House
going into a Committee on the question of compensation, to
those barristers who are to be employed in registering votes in
pursuance of the provisions of the English Reform Bill.
The SPEAKER having left the Chair, the House went into
Committee.
Lord ALTHORP proposed the resolution, which he stated
simply provided that the barristers should receive five guineas
a day while engaged in the duty of registering votes, and that
such payment should be made out of the general fund of the
country.
Mr. HUNT asked the Noble Lord if he had any idea of the
number of barristers who would be employed.
Lord ALTHORP was understood to say that he had not.
Mr. HUME said, it appeared that the expence would be un-
limited ; suppose a barrister chose to adjourn the hearing of
witnesses for several days, was he to be paid five guineas a day
for the whole period, or only for the days on which he was ac-
tually employed ? What objection could there be in adopting
the plan in the Irish Bill, of voters paying a fee of '2s. 6d. on
being registered ? As to paying barristers five guineas per day,
he knew that very competent ones might be obtained at two
guineas ; therefore, he suggested that the remuneration should
be not exceeding three guineas. Even this charge of five guineas
a day was not to cover the expence of travelling, and the House
had had a pretty good sample of travelling expences in the case
of the Charity Commissioners. He was of opinion that the
charge would be a great burthen on the country.
Lord ALTHORP was of opinion that no such case could
occur as that of a barrister adjourning a case for a week.
Mr. HUME complained that the time during which the fee
was to be allowed was not specified.
Mr. JOHN WOOD was of opinion, that if a barrister chose
to adjourn a case for seven days, he should not be allowed his
feo for the intervening time. As to the fee of five guineas being
too large, he was confident that no barrister of any reputation
would do the duty for less.
The CHAIRMAN suggested to the Committee, that the ob-
ject of the clause before them was simply as to what fund the
charge should be defrayed by.
After a few words from Mr. GOULBURN and Mr. DAVIE 9,
Mr. CROKER objected to the charge being made out of the
general fund of the country, and recommended the Noble Lord
to set aside a fund for the purpose. Indeed, he thought that a
fee of half-a-crown, to be paid by each voter, would be a very
moderate charge.
Colonel WOOD objected to subjecting the voters to a charge
of half-a-crown for registering their votes, on the ground that
it would be an annual and burdensome tax upon them, the
lists being made out annually. He was of opinion that the
list of persons on the poor rate would answer every purpose,
and avoid all this complicated machinery of registering and
appointing barristers.
Lord ALTHOItP considered that a tax of half-a-crown
would be highly objectionable, and he knew of no better mode
of payment than the one proposed by his resolution, viz. by the
country generally. It had been an argument on the other side,
that five guineas was too small a fee for barristers, but now it
was said that they could be procured for two or three
guineas. He felt confident that five guineas was a very mo-
derate charge.
Mr. HUNT had heard that not less than 300 barristers would
be employed in registration, and if so, the charge upon the
country would be enormous. He thought that the old elec-
tors ought not to be taxed at all for this purpose, but he would
have no objection to tax the new ones, and he thought that
instead of selecting barristers from London, they ought to be
taken from the counties in which they reside.
Lord MILTON protested against any charge being made
upon the poor electors. Whatever was for the general good
ought to be paid out of the general funds of the county. What-
ever was merely of local interest ought to be borne by the
local rates.
Mr. CROKER—Besides the objections which he had to the
Bill on Constitutional grounds, had great objections to it on
account of the large extra expense to which it would lead. In
his opinion those only who were to be benefitted by the Bill
ought to be taxed for its being worked,
Mr. CROKER had great and substantial objections to the
principle of the resolution.
Mr. HUME thought the only legitimate limits of a resolu-
tion upon such a subject was to call upon the person who is
benefited to pay the charges that were necessarily incidental
to it.

Sir EDWARD SUGDEN contended that if the proposition
of the Hon. Member for Middlesex were adopted, it would ac-
tually destroy in its very creation all the benefits which the Bill
proposed to confer.
The resolution was then put and agreed to without an
amendment.
The House having resumed,
Lord JOHN RUSSELL moved the Order of the Day for a
Committee of the whole House on the Reform Bill.
The SPEAKER then left the Chair, and the House resolved
itself into a Committee on
THE REFORM BILL

Mr. BERNAL in the Chair,
Clauees7 having been read,

Lord J. RUSSELL said he had an alteration to propose with

regard to this clause, as to the manner in which the voters
should be examined upon their appearance at the poll. As the
clause at present stood, it would give occasion to a great number
of questions that might lead to the prolongation of the poll, and
obstruct that regular and rapid progress in taking the votes
which was most desirable. The provisions introduced in the
Irish and Scotch Bills it was thought advisable to extend to the
English Bill, namely, that when a doubt arose as to the identity of
a voter, it should be lawful not to put a great many questions as
was originally provided, but to administer an oath at the re-
quest of the candidate that the voter was the same person,
possessing the same qualification as specified in the register.
Mr. HUNT thought if the alteration passed, it would render
it a matter wholly impossible to have the poll closed so soon as
was intended.

Sir K SUGDEN considered the alteration very objectionable.
It would absolutely prevent all enquiry whatever from being
made as to the identity and qualification of the voters.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL owned that the clause was one with
which he had never been satisfied. He had always considered the
main object of a register was to obtain a conclusive record,
which would save all those vexatious and very expensive in-
quiries which at present took place at the poll. It was supposed
in agreeing to this clause, that three questions were only to
be put, which would not occasion any delay that would
be very injurious to the speedy progress of the poll; but in
reconsidering the words, it appeared to him that the recommen-
dation of the Hon. Member for Louth was of considerable im-
portance, and he had therefore adopted it, as it would tend to
avoid all those endless enquiries which it was the great object of
a general registry to prevent. If that register was to be put in
operation at all, he considered that the only way of doing it, was
by considering it, in the first place, as conclusive, and only
confirmed by the oath of the voter that he did answer the de-
scription contained in the register.

After a few words between Mr. CROKER, Mr. Suctt, and
Lord ALTIIORP, the purport of which could not be ascertained
in the gallery,

Mr. GOULBURN said that the effect of the alteration would
be to deprive the candidate of all the means he ought legitimately
to possess for ascertaining the proper conduct of the election.
It was an imperative necessity that some such means should be
afforded to the candidate. In the clause as amended he was de-
barred from all means of ascertaining the truth of what was
sworn to. He was at a contested election, at which it was
thought necessary to administer the bribery oath to every voter,
and lOW was it managed ? Why, between thirty and forty
voters came up in a body before an officer, and took the oath as
a mere matter of form, without in the least attending to what its
obligations were, and such would be the effect of this Bill, if
the clause stood as amended. He hoped the Noble Lord would
allow the clause to stand as it was originally in the Bill,
which would allow the interrogatories to be put.
Mr. HUNT—The Hon. Gentleman had told them of an elec-
tion at which he was, where the bribery oath was put, and not
before the returning officer ; that election was the most illegal
one he had ever heard of, for the law expressly required that
that oath should be administered by him.

Mr. CROKER—The clause, as it originally stood, was de.
cidedly better than the proposed amendment. If the voter was
asked the three questions, and did not answer them to the
satisfaction of the returning officer, then the oath might be
required; but he believed that in nine cases out of ten the
oath would not be necessary, and so a great saving of time
would follow; but if you begin with the oath, you both con-
sume more time and prevent that satisfaction to the candidate
which would satisfy his mind.
Mr. GRANVILLE VERNON saw no reason for the oath at
all ; in a subsequent part of the Bill there were large penalties
imposed upon those who voted without a proper qualification.
He would be quite satisfied with applying those penalties to those
who made a wrong affirmation.
Sir E. SUGDEN said, that the penalties were so large that
they could never be recovered. This case was similar to the
freeholders oath, by inquiry the freeholder answered truly, for
he had the fear of the oath before him, so that it was seldom
necessary to put it in force; but with this amendment the un-
principled would be the gainer ; they could take advantage of it,
for they would say, "Oh ! we have only to take the oath
which prevents all enquiry, and none can be made before we
vote." He complained that the Noble Lord should come down
upon a Saturday to propose such a material alteration. If the
oath were to be taken without inquiry, it would be a premium
on perjury.

Mr.BLAKENEY protested against the time of the Commit-
tee being wasted in such a manner.

mjr. CRoKER objected, that the electors would be forced

to take ass oath without being previously !raw-in:4 43 to Oa
particulars to which that oath related ; so that a man might in-
nocently enough swear falsely. Questions ought to be previously
put to him with a view of explaining the nature of the oath.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL said the Right Hon. Gentleman
had confined himself to one part of the oath. Now there were
three inquiries to be made when a voter appeared at the poll ;
the first was as to the voter having been previously registered ;
the second, whether he had polled before at the same election ;
and the third, respecting the qualification ; and he knew
of no shorter or better mode of ascertaining whether
there were doubts on any of those points than by
administering an oath. If, however, it was the wish of the
Committee that questions should be previously asked of the
voter, he could have no possible objection, provided that they
would not have the effect of disfranchising any persons .wko
ought to be entitled to vote. For instance a man registered as
a 501. freeholder might dispose of a portion of his property, and
still have sufficient to entitle him to vote; he would not wish
to subject that person to embarrassing questions.
Sir E. SUGDEN did not wish to make the voter swear that
he continued to have the same interest as that for which he
was registered, but to make him swear he had a sufficient inte-
rest. A few questions would be necessary for that purpose.
The Learned Counsel declared, that now they were to have the
Bill, he was only anxious that it should be as perfect as it was
possible to make it.—(Hear.)
Lord JOHN RUSSELL, seeing it was the sense of the Corn.
mittee that some such questions should be introduced, would
feel obliged if the Hon. and Learned Member would draw up
those questions.

Sir E. SUGDEN accepted the task, and observed that he did
not intend to offer any opposition to the clause itself.
Mr. SHEIL would recommend the administration of the oath
in the ♦ery words of the registry, and then no latitude of phrase
would be allowed to the returning officer. It was not likely,
however, that, as the registry was taken here every year, the
qualification would be changed or parted with.
Mr. HUNT hoped that the oath would be dispensed with
altogether, and the temptation by that means to perjury would
not exist.

After a few observations fio:n Mr. SHAW, the cause was
postponed,

SECOND EDITION.

SUN OFFICE, Seven o'Clock.

The CHAIRMAN then read clause 58.}{
In answer to a question from Sir C. Wzrimutt.L, Lord
ALTHORP said he merely wished by this clause to pro-
vide against mi,takes or omissions in the registry.
Colonel WOOD proposed the omission of this clause
altogether, for it opened the door to a candidate who was
weak in one part of the county to propose what he knew
to be bad votes, in order to consume time.
Lord ALTHORP said, that the clause under considera-
fon put the barrister in the same situation as the assessor
was in at present, it gave him the same power, therefore
he had it in his power to put a stop to such proceedings
as the Hon. Gentleman complained of.
The clause was then agreed to.
Mr. BERNAL then read clause 59.
Sir C. WETHERELL complained that the effect of
this clause would be, that all the votes which were refused
by the barrister could not again be put on the roll by a
Committee of the House. In his opinion a Committee
ought to have that power both above overseer and barrister.
Lord ALTHORP said the only effect would be as it
was at present. If a person who at present had a vote,
but did not go to the poll to offer his vote, he could not
come before a Committee of that House in order to have

his vote registered. So it would be by this clause, if a
person was omitted to be put in the list, either by the
overseer or barrister, and takes no step to get this reme-
died, in the event of a petition for that election, he could
not come before a Committee of that house because of his
own lathes.

Mr. GOULBURN objected to.the clause, because it was
most unjust that a person employed under the Bill at 51.
a day, was to be liable to a tribunal to which he had no
access. By this clause a Committee bad the power of fin-
ing the barrister to a very heavy amount, and that without
being beard. He thought it would be no more than justice
to omit this clause.

Lord ALTHORP asked if the Hon. Member would he
satisfied, if in place of passing censure upon the barrister,
the Committee, if they found him guilty of partiality,
should report the same to the House.

Sir C. WETHERELL said, if he was a barrister ne
would never agree that a Committee of that House should
have the power of casting suet, a stain upon his charac-
ter without having an opportunity of being heard. The
barrister might be charged by the petitioner with par-
tiality, and even if be could appear by counsel, it would
degrade him to the level of a returning officer.

Mr. CROKER saw nothing but advantage in the pre—
sent clause. It was most essential that the House should
have a controul over the barrister as well as the overseer.

Lord JOHN RUSSELL was glad it met with the ap-
probation of the Right Hon. Member; it was quite ne-
cessary that the House should have some controul over all
parties.

➢lr. GOULBURN thought it was extending the privi-
lege. of the House too far.

The clause, as amended, was then agreed to.
Mr. CROKER said that by the present clause the
Sheriff was empowered to appoint a Deputy, who could
act in all matters with the same effect as the Sheriff. The
Right Hun. Member did not complain of such power
being given to the Sheriff; indeed he thought it necessary,
but he complained of the liberty given to the Sheriff, as
he understood theclause, of not being present at the elec-
tion at any period he thought proper. He apprehended it
was not the intention of Ministers to give him that power.
Lord ALTHORP observed that it was, if the Sheriff
showed sufficient cause for doing so.
The CHAIRMAN then proceeded to read the 60th
clause, which defined the duties of Sheriffs, when
Colonel SIB THORPE rose for the purpose of inquiring
of the Noble Lord opposite how he could reconcile the
Sheriff of the county of Lincoln interfering with the She-
riffs of the county and city of Lincoln ?
_ _

Lord J. RUSSELL observed that he was not in the
habit of making Acts of Parliament to suit the delicacy or
prevent the quibbles which might arise between the She-
riff of the county of Lincoln, and the Sheriff of the city
and county of Lincoln.

Colonel SIBTHORPE understood that the present
Bill had been brought forward fur the purpose
of recording all parties. The present clause, however,
inst,ad of waking peace in this country, would be the
means of continually raising up trouble and confusion.
He thought the clause an excessively absurd one.
Mr. CROKER thought it was quite new to give the
Sheriff such power. He was not aware of any precedent
that sanctioned it.

The ATTORNEY-GENERAL observed that as the
Itw now stood the Sheriff might appoint a deputy during
an election, if sufficient cause was shewn.
Sir R. V YVYAN thought the duty of Sheriff under the
present Bill was so trivial that he thought it a matter of
little moment whether the Sheriff was present at the elec-
tion or not.

Mr. CROKER did not object to the Sheriff not being
present, but what he had stated was, the impropriety of
the Sheriff being allowed to go away at any period he
pleased.

Lord JOHN RUSSELL observed, that by the present
cruse, the Sheriff would be expected to be present at the
principal place of the election, unless good cause was shewn
and he would tend his deputies to the other place.
Mr. GOULBURN condemned the power given to the
Sheriff of making the proclamation for the election at any
place he pleased.

- Sir CnAnLEs WETHERELL and Mr. CROKER gave simi-
lar opinions.

Tile ATTORNEY-GENERAL observed, that the
Sheriff must always be present at the proclamation.
After a few wards from Sir R. VYVYAN and Mr.
CROYER, the clause was agreed to.
Clause 61 was next read, and it was proposed to fill up
a blank with the word " nine."
Colonel WOOD said this was a very important clause,
and he could not but think that it held out a prospect of
saving expense which would prove delusive. It held out
a prospect that the poll would only last two days, and
some gentlemen might fancy that all their expellees would
be over in two days. According to the present system
earn lidates who were tolerably successful might get returned
on the eighth day. But, suppose according to this clause
an election began on Monday, if a poll were demanded that
was all that would be done that day. Tuesday and Wedner.
day would pass in preparation, during which time expenses
would be incurred ; then the polling would last two days,
Saturday would be a blank day, Sunday a dies non, and the
boiks would he again opened an Monday. It was, there-
f ire, competent, by this Aet, to spin out an election to
eight days. Another objection was this, that as the polling
was to be taken in different parts of the county at one
• itne, it was impossible to know what was going on at each
place, and it would give rise to many expedients to retard
the success of a candidate, such as reports of resigning,
&c. Therefore the candidate would be obliged to poll the
whole of the county in order to secure his election, and in
consequence his expenses would be very great. Again,
he thought that where an election was to last fur
only the apace of two days, it would enable the
friends of the candidate to take possession of the hustings,
nd thereby prevent the voters of the other from coming
tp before the two days expired. After all that had
been done, there was the expense of inviting the electors
to do the succes,ful eanduiate toe honour oldining with him.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL said he had taken the opinions