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LONDON, TUESDAY EVENING, AMU, 10, 1832.

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

HOUSE OF COMMONS, APRIL 9.
Mr. HODGES moved the third reading of the Graves-
nd Pier Bill.

Mr. HUME suggested the adjournment of this ques-
tion until the surveys of the rive's, ordered by the kimi-

ralty, be completed.
After a few words from Sir R. Inglis, Mr. C. Calvert,
Mr. Hodges, and several other Members, the third read.

ing was postponed until to. morrow.
Mr. HODGES presented a petition i❑ favour of that
Bill from the magistrates, clergy, &c., of Gravesend and
Milton, in the county of Kent ; also, two simil it petitions
'rum certain mechanics and artisans of the metropolis in

favour of the Bill.
Mr. IIACKINNON presented a petition from the
Rector and Select Vestry of Sr. Marylebone parish, pray-
ing that if the present Cemetery Bill pass into a law, the
Rector and Select Vestry may receive compensation for

their loss of burial fees.
On the motion of Sir THOMAS FREE\IANTLE,
Colonel Clayton's Divorce Bill was read a third time.
Mr. HUME presented a petition from the working
classes of Edinburgh, against the Edinburgh Police Bill.
He wished the Bill to be postponed until after the holydays,
because a great many petitions were getting up against it
in that town.

An flow. MEmnEa said it was not intended to go into
Committee on the Bill until after Easter.
Lord STANLEY presented a petition from several
owners and occupiers of coPieries, &c., against the Bolton,
Bury, and Manchester Railway Bill, or to compel the
Company- to alter their line of Railway, Referred to the
Committee. . . _

Mr. HEYWOOD presented tl.ree similar petitions from
individulls. Referred to the Committee.

The same Hon. Member then presented a petition from
certain freeholders, leaseholders, and inhabitants of Alan-

cheater, in favour of the Birmingham and London Rail-

way Bill.

Lord MORPETH brought up the report of the Com-
mittee on the Hartlepool Pier Bib and amendments to the

same, which were read.
The NOBLE Loan also brought up the report of tl.e
Hartlepool Railway Bill.
Lord GRIMSTONE presented a petition of certain sub-
scriiiers to the Itiiningliatn and London Railway, praying
that their nAes Tllight he erased from the list of subscri-
bers, -and that tiny might be heard by themselves or
Counsel'against the Dill. •
Mr. LAVES, from the . Bankruptcy Court, presented
certain retiarns.whiciptad been ordered by the House, and
which were ordered to be printed.

Mr. SANDFORD presented a petition, numerously
signed, from the inhalntants of Wellington, Somerset-
shire, against the ifigtosed system of national education in
Ireland, and praying that the system of education should
be founded on the whole Bible, and not on detached parts
of it. The Hon. 5 •tilber said he could not support the
complaints in the Ition, and observed that he thought '
marry of the petitio ers did not thoroughly understand the
subject. He also presented a petition from certain fl ix-
spinners of Yeovil, against the Labour in Factories
Bill. Also, two petitions, one from Chard, Somer-
setshire, which was against the Registry of Deeds
Bill, and the other from Axbridge, Sometsetshire, also
against that Bill. They were referred to the Committee
on the Bill. He then presented a petition from a certain
religious congregation at Ilminster for the abolition of sla-
very in the colonies.
Mr. STRICKLAND presented a petition, which was
of much importance, as showing a great sympathy of the
English in favour of the Itish: it was from Liversedge,
in the West Riding of Yolk, in favour of the
Government system of education in Ireland, signed
by 1,425 persons, and agreed to at a public meeting,
which was so numerous that it was obliged to be adjourned
to the open air. The Hon. Member thought that many
of the objections made to the proposed plan were founded
on mistake. Already upwards of 220 schools had been
applied for, containing a much Luger number of pupils
than had been educated in the Kildare-street society's

schools after they had been established four years. He
thought the proposed plan would tend much towards the
tranquillity and happiness of Ireland.
Captain GORDON said he would explain how this
petition was got up. A meeting had been called by
thirty clergymen, not for the discussion of affairs in ge-
neral, for the invitation was limited to the friends of
scriptural education, but for the purpose of agreeing to an
address to the throne. After the advertisement had been
read, a number of persons broke up the meeting by
violence and uproar, and held a meeting of their own, at
which this petition was agreed to. He thought that he
might infer that the opinion of well-informed persons
was against the Government plan.
Sir JOHN JOHNSTON supported the prayer of the
petition.
Mr. D. W. HARVEY was surprised to hear so many
objections to the proposed plan, and so many complaints
against Government for taking the paltry annual grant of
15,0001. a year from the Kildare-street Society, when he
supposed that there was enough of Protestant virtue and
Protestant liberality in Ireland to make up that sum, if
they pleased, and so prevent the Kildare-street Society from
perishing. It was not more than six mouths of the rents
of a Bishop of Ireland, and therefore why complain of
the Government when it was in their own power to per-
petuate their favourite Kildare-street Society ? for if they
choose to keep up that establishment, it was not in the
power of Government to support it.
Mr. WYSE addressed the House in favour of the pro-
posed measure.
The Deputy Usher of the Black Rod appeared on the
floor, and summoned the House to the Bar of the House
of Lords, to hear the Royal Assent given, by Commission,
to several Bills. On the Speaker's return, be read a list
of the Bills to which the Royal Assent had been given
(for which see the Lords' Report).
Sir R. INGLIS then resumed the discussion upon the
petition, and spoke against the new plan of education.—
As to the :ase: cation of the Hon. Member for Colchester
(Me. Harvey), that 15,0001. could
.soon be collected by
the Protestants, he begged to observe that it was not a
question of pound., shillings, and pence, but it concerned
an excellent plan of education, to which his Majesty's
Government had hitherto lent their countenance, but
which they thought proper now to withdraw from it.—
lie should shortly have occasion to present several peti-
tions from very populous places against the Government
plan.

Mr. J. JOHNSTON said a few words against the
new plan of education. He had understood that the
whole Bible, and not merely extracts from it, should be
read ; be believed that the Kildare-street Society did not
use the Scrir,ures by extracts merely. He was opposed to
using extracts, but if they were to be used, let them be in their
proper places.—Hear.) He knew that five or six Presbyteries
of Scotland, and various populous towns, had determined to peti-
tion the House against this plan.
Mr. JAMES GRATTAN spoke in favour of the Govern-
ment plan, and deprecated such a discussion as the present, on
the presentation of a petition_ He was, however, confident
that when the proposed plan was better understood, the Bible
would be much better read than it had hitherto been among
the poor of Ireland. There was nothing in the plan to prevent
the whole Bible being read during certain periods of the day,
but in school-hours select portions only were used.
Mr. LEFROY was against the system proposed by the
Right Hon. Secretary, and he was glad to say that he was not
alone in that opinion, but thatsjse held it along with almost
the whole Protestant population of Ireland. He might
mention the petition which had been presented to the House
from the United Synod of Ulster, a petition which he believed
had passed unanimously. The objection that had been offered
to the system, pursued by the Kildare street Society, viz. that
the Bible was in some parts so obscene, that it ought not to be
put into the hands of those who could not understand it, was
well founded, because it was left to the discretion of the master
what portions were suited to the advanced state of the pupil.
Mr. SHAW had no wish to prolong the discussion upon this
subject, but he wished to correct a few mistakes into which the
Honorable Member for Colchester (Mr. D. W. Harvey) had fallen.
He had said that there was only a sum of 15,0001. withdrawn
from the Kildare street Society ; now the fact was, that the
sum withdrawn was 25,0001. He (Mr. Shaw) did not complain
of the withdrawal of that sum, for he considered that all such
societies flourished more when left to private support; but
what he complained of, and against whirls he must enter his
protest, was that Government had not withdrawn the grant
altogether, but had merely done so in order to set up another
system, which, in his opinion, was not well founded.
After a few words from Mr. Sheil, Mr. Strickland, Mr.
Wyse and Mr. Gordon,
Mr. ROBINSON said, he thought it would be impossible to
get up any system of Education which would please the two
great parties in Ireland. He thought the best plan would be,
when the grant was before the House, either to withheld the

grant altogether or divide it between both systems, according
to their numbers, or some other plan of division.

IRISH TITHE BILL.
On its being moved that the House go into Committee on
this Bill,
Mr. RUTHVEN objected to the consideration of this im-
portant question being brought on at a time when the House
was thinly attended.
Mr. M. O'CONNELL thought that time ought to be given to
the people of Ireland to form an opinion on the merits of the
Bill.

Lord ALTHORP thought that there was no necessity for
postponing the discussion, as the Bill, or its principles, had al-
ready been amply discussed by the House.
Mr. STANLEY said, that in order to meet the objections of
those who opposed the Bill, as much as possible, Ministers had
determined to take off' the restrictions as to the amount at
which causes for the recovery of tithes might be brought into
the Assistant Barristers' Court. He should move an amend-
ment in the Committee, allowing causes of any amount to be
tried in the Court alluded to, and merely giving power to the
Attorney-General to carry the causes into the Court of Chan-
cery if he saw fit grounds for so doing.—(Hear.)
The House then went into a Committee.
Mr. M. O'CONNELL and Mr. LEADER opposed the Bill.
Mr. CRAMPTON said that by this Bill there would exist
no species of civil arrest in execution, and that all prerogative
rights were ceded by it. He denied that any costs of pro-
ceedings would fall on either landlord or tenant, but they would
come out of the pockets of the clergyman.
The clause, as amended, was then agreed to.
Several other clauses were then put, and, after a few verbal
amendments, agreed to, without opposition.
On the clause, providing for the issue of the Proclamations
calling for payment of the arrear of tithes, and announcing that
in case of default proceedings would be instituted by the Crown
within one month from the insertion of the Proclamation in the
Dublin Gazette, being put—
•

Mr. RUTHVEN objected to the clause, on the ground that
the Dublin Gazette had barely a circulation beyond the limits
of the city of Dublin, and, therefore, such a Proclamation as
that proposed would not give sufficient notice to the people.
Mr. STANLEY said the object of the clause was merely to
afford legal evidence of the Proclamation ; and that due care
would be taken by the Government to make the Proclamation
. . .
sufficiently public.

Mr. SIIEIL suggested that the clause should be varied, so as 1.
to insure notice being given to the provincial papers, or so that
copies of the proclamation should be conspicuously posted
throughout the parish.
To this latter mode Mr. CRAMPTON agreed, and the
clause, with this variation, was carried.
Several other clauses were then put and agreed to.
Mr. CRA M PTON had been induced to propose, as an amend-
ment to one of the clauses, that no costs should be due or pay- •
able under this Bill, except as thereinbefore provided for. Or
Mr. Sergeant LEFROY objected to this amendment.
Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, and th
mittee divided, the numbers being—
For the clause, as anwpded lds
Against it l3
Majority in favour of Ministers —94
On our re-admission we found
Mr. RUTIIVEN moving an amendment to the
which he did not press ; and the preamble was, there
ried without a division.

The House then resumed, and the Chairman brought up the
report, which was ordered to be taken into consideration I&

morrow.
The Nisi Prius Court (Dublin) was read a second tim
and ordered to be read a third time to-morrow, and engrossed,

NSOLVENT DEBTORS' COURT BILL IRELAND.)

The House next resolved itself into a Committee on the In-
solvent Debtors' (Ireland) Court Bill.—Report ordered to be
received to.morrow.
The Steam Carriages. Bill was read a third time and passed.