The Sun.
London, England, 1859-11-24 00:00:00

WRECK-OF THE ROYAL CHARTER.

LIVERPOOL, WEDNESDAY.
The investigation into the circumstances of the
/reek of the Royal Charter was resumed yesterday
a St. George's Hall, Liverpool, before Mr. Mans-
eld and Captain Harris, K.N.
Mr. O'Dowd appeared on behalf of the Board of
:rade, and Mr. Aspinall appeared for the owners
f the vessel, Messrs. Gibbs, Bright and Co.
Mr. Smith, receiver of wrecks, was recalled to
wove that certain depositions made by Mr. Brad-
,ury were made before him. Mr. Bradbury was a
third class passenger on board the Royal Charter,
and is now lying at Moelfre, suffering from a broken
leg, sustained in saving himself from the wreck.
The depositions were to the following effect :
, The state of the barometer was entered during every
four hours, and during a change -of weather, more
frequently. The last time he (Mr. Bradbury) wrote
up the captain's log was, he believed, on Saturday,
October 22. He was engaged on Monday posting
up, and in writing abstracts of the log and passen-
ger lists for the Liverpool papers. The last entry
that was made of the barometer, was at twelve at
midnight on Tuesday the 28th. He believed 28
and 29 were the figures. He did not hear any ob•
servation made by the captain on the 25th October,
as to the state of the weather.. The officer§ of the
ship always registered the barometer. He believed
there were three barometers on board, one in the
captain's room, one in Mr. Stephens's, the chief
officer, and as to the other he could not say where
it hung.
Mr. Smith read a letter of instructions from the
Board of Trade to the lighthouse keepers for the
purpose of obtaining meteorological information.
The letter which I hold in my hand was addressed'
to Mr. Morgan, the lighthouse keeper, at Moelfre.
I called on Mr. Morgan on Sunday morning. The
paper- now handed me contains observations on
wind and weather. They are as follows :—On
October the 25th, at 9 p.m., the wind was. S.E., a
strong breeze, dull and gloomy. At 10 p.m. a
fresh gale and rainy weather,wind from E.N.E. At
11 . p.m., wind N.E., a heavy gale and rainy
weather. At 12 p.m. a heavy gale and rainy
weather. On October 26th, at 1 a.m. there was a
heavy gale with rain, wind N.E. 2 and 3 a.m., a
heavy gale and rainy weather. At 4 a.rn. wind
N.E. until 1 p.m., then veered round to the north
and moderated. On the morning of the 25th of
October, at 9 a.m., the wind was S.E., with light
clear weather. At 3 p.m. the wind was S.E., strong,
dull, and hazy, the sky dull and gloomy all day.
A paper containing observations was handed in,
on the state of the wind at Liverpool on the 25th
of October, taken by Mr. Hartnup, at the Liverpool
observatory. It was discovered, however that the
storm did not reach Liverpool until the afternoon
of the 26th.
Mr. Smith, re-examined by Mr. O'Dowd, said—
I have been at the wreck since my former exami-
nation last week. I went off for the purpose of
procuring some of the plates and rivets of the ship.
I had great difficulty in procuring them. If it had
not been for the assistance of Messrs. Gibbs, Bright,
and Co., I could not have succeeded in getting any.
It took four boiler-makers three days to get one
plate out.
By Mr. Aspinall—l never saw a ship, in my
mind, so strongly built ; for it was with the
greatest difficulty that we could stir some of the
rivets. I am not a ship-builder, but I have had
considerable experience in wrecked vessels, and I
speak from observation.: The watches found on
various bodies were stopped from 20 minutes past
7, to 8 o'clock.
Mr. Mellor asked the liberty of the Court to put
a question to Mr. Smith, as to what course had
been adopted for the recovery of the bodies.
The Court ruled that the question was irrelevant
to that inquiry.
Mr. O'Dowd said he stated to Mr. Mellor very
distinctly that that was not a question for this in-
quiry. He was bound to do justice to Messrs.
Gibbs, Bright, and Co. They had already evidence
on this subject. Mr. Smith had been examined on
the .subject, and he stated very distinctly that
everything had been done that could be expected
under the circumstances.
Jahn. Shepherd, being sworn, said—l am the
master of No. 4 pilot-boat.. There are 12 pilot-
boats belonging to the dock board.' No. 4 is a sloop-
built boat. She is registered 23 tons. We carry
a masthead light, and use the flash every 15 minutes.
There is a crew of six always on board. I remem-.
ber Tuesday the 25th. I was out on that day. We
were close in between Middlemouse and Puffin
Island the whole of the day and night. At about
seven o'clock in the afternoon it commenced to blow
very strong. It increased very much after eight
o'clock, with rain and lightning. At 11 p.m. the
weather was more violent than it had been all the
day .and night. The men in the pilot boat could
not hear each other speak at the distance of
eight feet on the deck. We were in the water
all the tune. The wind was to the N.E. The
boat's lights were put out. They were lighted
again and put out again The foreign-going vessels
seldom come into the port of Liverpool without a
pilot, if they can get one. We sounded a little be-
fore daylight, and there was 27 fathoms of water.
We could not see the length of the boat, in conse-
quence of the drift. We saw Point Lynas,: but we
lost it again. We then saw it again at 11 o'clock.
We had close-reefed sails. We lost the storm jib and
the stay foresail during the night, and the boat
drifted eight miles in consequence.
By Mr. Aspinall—l have been 39 years a pilot,
and 29 years a master pilot. I never knew such a
hurricane,- the wind blowing from that point of the
compass, as on that night. On this coast it is more.
usual.foran easterly-wind to back to south, rather
than the, north. I never saw a heavier sea in my
lifetime. There could net be a worse shore for
breaking a vessel up than Moelfre.
By Captain Harris—At five p.m., I telegraphed.
to Point Lynas to see whether there were any .ves-
sels along the coast, but I got no answer. -The
place where the RoyaleCharter is supposed to have
anchored is'l4nder ordinary circumstances tolerably
good-anchoring ground, but I think no anchor
would have held on such-a night. My boat was re-
ported to have been lost on that night.
Richard Perry, being sworn, said—l am master
of thelife-boat No. 11,„ I was out on the 25th of
October. I was off Point Lynas at half-past seven
o'clock on the evening of Tuesday, the 25th. Left
Holyhead at a quarter before three. The wind was
E.S.E. At seven p.m. I saw what I thought was a
blue light from a vessel about four or miles west-
ward. I did not see any rocket, but I believe there
was a rocket sent off below the Skerries, about half-
past sir p.m. This was, reported to me by one of the
men. The Royal Charter might have been seven
or eight miles from Point Lynas. The wind was
blowing. hard at seven o'clock. They had all their
reefs in. At half-past five o'clock it began to blow
hard, increasing as it backed, to the north. We
lost sight of Point Lynas about eights o'clock, and
(lid not see anything till about 11 o'clock next day.
I agree with Mr. Shepherd as to the violence of the
storm.
By Mr. Aspinall—Easterly gales more usually
back to the southward. Of late years they have
sometimes backed to the north. No place could.be
worse for breaking up a ship than the shore where
the Royal Charter struck upon. No person could
have any idea of the violence of the storm unless
they had been out in it.

C:.pt. Harris—lf we had had the good luck
to have fallen in with the Royal. Charter we could
not have boarded her in consequence of the violence
of the storm. At 6 p.m. the barometer had fallen
to 29. It was low all day. Betwe:n midnight
_and 4 o'clock in the morning of the.26th it reached
28.70. I did not notice the thermometer. We lost
seven or eight miles the night of the storm.
Mr. Aspinall said Mr. Patterson was present to
be examined, if Mr. O'Dowd chose to examine him,:
as to the strength of the vessel.
Mr. O'Dowd said he would prefer a ,king Mr.
Patterson a few questions nearer the close of the
inquiry. He conceived that he had. established a
print ,t
.facie case, which probably Mr. Aspinall
would meet by an examination of witnesses. He
had evidence now that the ship was lo,t, and that
she broke up in a vary complete and sudden manner,
and he (Mr. O'Dowd) apprehended it would be for
Mr. Aspinall to show that this did not arise from
any apparent weakness or want of strength in the
.
vessel:

It
VaiS then anTeed to call Mr. Patterson, and he
was examined Capt. Harris.*
'Mr. William Patter
Pa •
both of wooden anclseon—l ara a shipbuilder,
Charter was built in Airporail,vleSs3sesis* "°37al
p was
contracted for by Messrs. Charles.l'no blii
Moore and Co.,
Ar Mr, George Cruinrof Chester.
Bright...and Co. pun:bated the. .
came inspector .fur them. I carry '0!")1,1J.',1-nsine=gbin
I l.
Bristol. She was- commenced, and I took lice wl;en
Messrs. Gibbs, Bright, and Co. b3ught her. her
fratnevcork was then up. She w.Ls, subsequent to
her con onencoment, altered to an auxiliary screw
vessel.: this alteration had taken place before I Went
to inspmt her. After the ship had advanced nearly
into lime, with ;the exception of her stern-post,
Messr.-4. Crain failed, Then the greater portion of the
iron wns on the premises. I. then took to her, and
prior to- that I brought my own foreman from Bris-
tol to 1,13,0 k particularly to the iron and the rivetting.
As the !hip progressed we were very particular in
looking -/o sce,that all the iron and rivets were par-
ticularly good. Lloyd's rules with reference to iron
ships creee not then in existence. The plates by the
keel N% ere one inch thick, and the plates to these
were this of an inch and Iths of an inch above the
turn o f the bilge. The plates at both ends were
1-16th of an inch ;less. The two plates oppoSite
each ti'a:of beams were itlis of WI ilia), extending

250 feet... The keel was 12in. by 4in. lam not
quite clear that it was not 41in. The rivets in the
keel were The rivets from the larboard streak
to the turn of the bilge were lin. The plates and
butts were all double rivetted. The frames 18in.
from centre to centre. The frame iron was sin. by
31in. She had five kelsons. There were two wing
kelsons, one at the bilge and the others halfway be-
tween the bilge and the middle kelson. The lower
tiers of beams were 10in. by :aths. The upper edge
of the beams had angular iron rivetted on, 3in. by
3in. by 14in. The_ second tier of beams was 9in.
by Iths, with angular iron rivetted on the upper
edge 3in. by 3in. by lin. The upper tier of beams
was Sin. by 9 16ths, and angular iron rivetted on
the upper edge, 3in. by 3in. by 4-in. On the upper
tier of beams there were two plates 2 extending fore
and aft to the top of the beams, rivetted down to
the edge. There were shelves at the ends of the
beams rivetted to the beams, with vertical plate
next, with an angular iron rivetted to the horizon-
tal plate, and rivetted through both ; each tier of
beams was so secured. The upper tier was secured
by diagonal plates. There were plates rivetted to
each stringer and upon each beam. On each deck
strong breakwater way-pieces 14in. or 15in. square
were bolted to the shelf-pieces and to the beams.
There, were six standing bulkheads, and five of them
were water-tight. They were made of tin. iron. At
the afterprtrt of the engine there was a passage lead-
ing into the screw tunnel. There was no door or open
archway. There was another watertight bulkhead
immediately at the forestay of the stopping-box.
This was further secured by a water-tight deck over
it. These bulkheads were placed in the ship after she
was designed for a screw. They were rivetted to the
floor with angular iron. The ship was lengthened
at the two ends. The work was well done, and more
money was paid for it than I have ever kniwn given
before. I have seen her in dock after her voyages,
and there was not a rivet found loose. The iron was
good. .
The Court had not adjourned when our parcel
was despatched.

Trowbridge, the husband of the murdered woman,
subsequently proceeded to Lyndhurst, in the New
Forest, where the Magistrates were in petty ses-
sions, and Trowbridge there identified as his pro-
perty the hat, coat; boots, leggings, and umbrella
found in the prisoner's possession. The coat was
a blue one, which Trowbridge had had presented
to him by the Sturminster Agricultural Society ;
the buttons; however, had been cut off. Stains of
blood were visible on the prisoner's clothes, which
were forwarded to Mr. Herapath, the analytical
chemist, for examination. Blood was found on
Manzano's trousers, which he was wearing over
those which had been stolen, and on his shirt,
which appeared -to have been partly washed
and there was a recently inflicted wpund on the
middle finger of the man's right hand. During
the prisoner's journey through the New Forest he
called at a public-house kept by Richard Martin,
at Fawley, and there sold the blue coat for
7s. He had first
.requested to be served with 3d.
worth of bread.

Mr. Herapath, in his report, stated that there
were on the trousers which he had inspected 12
distinct spots of blood, which had spurted upon the
garment and had not been allowed to coagulate.
Mr. Chitty said, from the explanation of the pri-
soner, interpreted to him by Mr. Steel, he believed
that if his client were remanded he should be able
to remove the suspicion from the prisoner to an-
other person. •
The reporters Were compelled to leave Hindon in
time for the tram via Salisbury shortly before tho
proceedings terminated, but it Was understood that
the prisoner would be fully committed for trial at
the next Wiltshire assizes.

Captain Meredith, the chief comtable of, Wilt-
shire, was in attendance to superintend the prosecu-
tion. M. Gonzalez Ferrer arrived at four o'clock
with credentials from Sir R.'Mayne, having been
directed by Sir G. Cornewall'Lewis, the Secretary
of State, to proceed to Hindon and interpret the
evidence adduced in the case.

POLICE INTELLIGENCE, Nov. 23.

MANSION-HOUSE.—Thomas Brooks, 21, was
brought up for further examination upon a charge
of having, on the lath of October last, forged and
uttered a request for the delivery of a check-book
at the London Joint-stock Bank, -Prince's-street,
purporting to be signed by Mr. 11. C. Groom,
merchant, of Lime-street.
It had been previously deposed that the prisoner,
when on his way to the police-station, after his ap-
prehension, threw his hat out of a cab window, and
that upon the hat being picked up the check-book
was found inside, with 23 of its original number of
checks cut out. The prisoner was remanded in
order to give time to trace these checks, which, it
was stated, had been made the basis of as many

forgeries.
Mr. Clarke (Clarke and Morice) now appeared for
the prosecution, and called additional witnesses.
Mr.-H. C. Groom, of 9, Lime-street, insurance-
agent, said,—The prisoner was with me as clerk for
about two years, and left me about four years
since. When he was with me I had an account at
the London Joint-stock Bank, and he knew it.
The paper produced (thu request for the deli-
very of a check-book) was not written or signed by
me, nor was it written by my authority,
Prisoner—l wish to ask whether Mr. Groom
thinks that is my writing ? •
Witness—l can't say. It is very unlike the style
you adopted when you were in my employ.
Mr. Thomas Barton, advertising agent, 2, Tipper
Wellington-street, Strand—l know the prisoner,
who was in my employ for some time up to about
18 months ago. I have seen him write frequently,
and I believe the request produced to be in his hand-
writing, as well as the cheque now produced for .£5
Bs., dated November 1, purporting to be signed, by
J. T. Sarson and, SonTand payable to Messrs.-Moses
and Son, or bearer, lal So believe the two other
documents produced to be in his handwriting. (The
first of these was an order for some clothes, purport-
ing to be signed by Messrs. Sarson and Son, and the
second- was a note enclosing a-cheque in payment.)
Prisoner---I should like to know how long Mr.
Barton thinks it is since I left his service.
Witness—l can't exactly remember ; but I know
I had agood deal of trouble in prosecuting you for
an offence precisely similar to this, and for which
you were sentenced to twelve months' imprison-
ment. •

Samuel Moss, assistant to Messrs. Moses: and,
Sons, tailors, of .Oxford-street, identified thd pri-
soner as having preSented himself at Messrs. Moses's
establishment with an order for clothes purporting
to be signed by Messrs: Sarson and Son, and added
that the porter who took hoMo the clothes to the
address given, by the 'prisoner brought back a
cheque for Xi-J.55., which was afterwards returned
to Messrs. Moses, as a forgery. It is the custom of
their house never to take cheques in such cases, and
the porter had no right to take it. •
Joseph Bedbarough, porter to Messrs. Moses, de-
posed that he carried the clothes spoken to by the
former witness to 1; Great Polteney-street, where
he sat the prisoner, who took the clothes, and gave
him a cheque for £5 83. in payment, purporting to
be signed by Messrs. Sarson and Son.
The prisoner, who had been busily employed in
taking notes, Said he should like to hear the witness
state all that passed in conversation between them,
and, befit told that he might ask- any questions he
pleased to draw it out, proceeded to make a series
of minute inquiries, which, however, led to nothing.
• . Mr. Goodman (Chief clerk) here read the note
giltn to this witness bytlio-peNo;Tier. It stated. that
thete 11..Oveipaid b', Messrs. Sarson on a for-'1
met account, as Messrs. Moses Would find npiin re-
ferring to their hoOka; and that therefore the
cheque for £5 83,,,w0u1d. settle, for the clothes, the
bill for which amounted to £5,95.

Mr. H. Sarson,.vinegar manufacturer, City-road,
said—ln the course of the summer we give away, I
dare say, I',ooo of the cards produced (on the back
of one of which the order for clothes had been
written) to any one who comes for them. Ido not
keep an account at •the London Joint-stock Bank,
and neither the cheque .produced, nor the order for
clothes, nor the note which accompanied the cheque,
is in my handwriting. I knoiv nothing about them
nor about the prisoner.
Mr. Hewitt, cashier at the London Joint-stock
Banki•said the cheque produced was one of those'
• which was cut out of the cheque-book given at the
bank in consequence of the forged order purporting,'
to be signed.;by. Mr. Groom.
• Mr. Clarke said there were numerous other
charges of the same kind against the prisoner ;.but,
as the present case had been so fully made out, he
thought it unnecessary to proceed with any of the
others.

The prisoner, who reserved his defence, was then
committed for trial.

GUILDHALL. Mr. James M‘Kcnzie, the
manager to Mr. Strode, gas engineer, of 3, Angel-
street and 16, St. Martin's-lc-grand, was charged
with causing the death of Alfred Howell, a youth
about 16 years of age; by the accidental discharge
of a pistol in a workshop on the premises in Angel-
street.

Mr. Humphreys, jun., of the firm of Humphreys,
Son, and Morgan, of Giltspur Chambers, Newgate-
street, attended on behalf of. the accused, whose
mental agony evinced itself at every,, part of the
proceedings in which the result of the melancholy
accident was referred to.

Stephen Thomas Wentworth said—l am the
foreman in Mr. ;:•trode's employ.
Mr. Martin (chief clerk)—Does any part of Mr.
Strode's.business necessitate the use of firearms ?
Witness—No. sir ; but Mr. M'Kenzie had a
couple of patents for inTech-loading guns.. The re-
volver produced belongs to a friend of Mr. M'Kenzie.
Mr. Martin—At what time did the accident take
place ? •

Witness—At about 10 minutes to 9 o'clock last
;ght. We were all three—that is, Mr. M'Kcnzie,
Le lad, and myself, in the workshop.
Mr. Martin—When was the revolver loaded ?

Witness—lt was loaded at the time Mr. M‘lien-
zie received it. It came in a box, which was
locked. We discharged all the five chambers, and
reloaded them singly.
Alderman llumpliery--Do you mean that you
discharged each chamber as you loaded them ?
Witness—Yes, sir, excepting the last two, which
we intended rin against a double-barrelled pistol.
.0 .

We were increlY froing to test the penetration of
the,bulict. Mr. M'Kenzie'discharged one lrarrel of
the pistol, and I disc:tarn•ed one of the chambers of
the resolver, and then told him to fire his second
barrel ; but he said "Noi give me your pistol and
you shoot from thi:=," meaning the small double-
barrelled pistol. We then went up to the target
to examine where my last shot had gone.
Aldevman flumplicry—At what distance were
you firing ?
Witness—At half-distance, which would be about
14 yards. I complained that the little pistol trig-
ger pulled very hard, and Mr. .M..enzie said I had
'nude a mistake, as it nulled ns easily as the revolver.
Alderman Humphery—llad. he the revolver in
hishand at that time?

Witneiis--dlcx had, sir ; and we were all standing
close together in,frout cf the target, and in showing
me how easily the revolver trigger -worked lie dis-
charged the remaining, loaded chamber, and the
charge entered the chest of the lad Howell.
Mr. 'Martin—And I suppose killed him on the
spoty ~

Witness—No, sir, he walked about 25 yards
afterwards.

Alder= Humphory-L:What he say?
'nerdy. exchkirned " Oh !". and
laced .his h4n4 on his stomach,. I walked with him

along the Workshop, and, finding-lie was fainting,
I laid him on the floor, and Tan for Dr. Neale.

Alderman Humphery—Has the body been ex-
amined, to ascertain if the bUllet passed thieugh
Witness—r,btlieve not; 'butl think the bullet
is still.in.tho-bodv. - • . • • -*-•

Mr. Martin—gad there been airy ill-feeling be-
t*een Mr. Maenzie and the lad P

• Witness—Not at all, sir.- They have always
been on the most friendly terms.
AldermanHumphery—Are the lad's friends re-
spectable P. -

- Witness—Most respectable, sir, and they are in-
timate friends of Mr. M'Kenzie.

Cross-examined by Mr. Humphreys—We have
patents for breech-loading guns. The lad was a
great favourite with Mr. Wlionzie, who kept him
after working hours to teach him the working of
what he was about.

Mr. Humphreys—Were you so standing that if
hou had been a few inches more forward you would
ave received the charge instead of the lad?
Witness—l was, sir, for the bullet passed elose
in front of me.

Mr. Humphreys—Then I need hardly ask you if
it was not pure accident ?
Witness—lt was perfectly accidental.
,Alderman Humphery—ls Mr. Maenzie a mar-
ried man ?

Mr. Humphreys—Yes, sir, and lives on, the pre-
mises: He i 5 a most respectable man. _

Alderman Humphery-L-It is a very serious and
melancholy accident.
Mr. F. Thorn, assistant to Dr. Neale, of 175,
Aldersgate•street, said—l was called in to attend
the lad Howell, and I found him in Mr. Strode's
workshop. He was not then dead, but he was quite
insensible, and died within three minutes after.

Alderman Humphery—Where did the bullet en-
ter?

Witness—There is a bullet wound in the centre
of the chest, just over the stomach.
Alderman Humphery—Then I suppose it vent
through the heart ?
Witness—l should think so.

Alderman llumphery—lt is .a very unfortunate
occurrence, but I cannot do anything further in the
case until the coroner's inquest has been held. I
shall therefore adjourn the further hearing of the
case till Saturday.
Mr. M‘lienzie was allowed to put in bail.

B S TRE ET.—aiNGinous UrtcHiNs.—
Three little boys, named Joseph Irish, James Kel-
sey, and James Woollen, the two former ten years
each, and the latter twelve years of age, were
charged with stealing from Covent-gaiden-market
12 oz. of a poisonous drug, called belladonna, and
administering it to divers -other boys, whereby
their lives were endangered.
The case had excited a most painful interest; in
consequence of the large number of children who
had partaken of the, poison, and many of whom were
now in a state more or less precarious. The court
was crowded with anxious spectators, not a few of
whom were parents or friends of some of the
sufferers.

Some time before the prisoners were placed at
the bar; Mr.' M'Culloch, of the firm of Butler and
M'Culloch, waited on Mr. Henry, to make a state-
ment of the filets, and to inquire Whether he could
be held in any way responsible.
Mr. Henry should certainly think not. When
a person's property was stolen, he could hardly be
held accountable for the use Made of it by the thief.
Upon' the boys being placed at the bar,
William James Lewington, porter to Messrs.
Butler and M'Culloch, herbalists, seedsmen, &c.,
Covent-6arden-market, was called. He deposed=
On Monday last I packed a hamper, containing two
jars of belladonna, to go into the Country: The
belladonna is-a sort of salve. "
Mr. Henry—l suppose it was going to a'ehemist.
-Witness—l do not know where it was going,
-except that it was to some customer in the country.
It was packed with straw and rough paper between
the jars. Each jar was labelled " Belladonna—
ppison," -and was wrapped in a
.nOver of brown
paper, and. one of slate-Coloured holland. The
hatnper was secured with string, I left it outside
the shop, to go away by the carrier that evening.
That night I found the string cut; the-double cover
of one jar cut open, and about 12 oz. of the bella-
donna gone., It had been scraped out either with
the fingers, or with a knife: I suppose they thought
they had got seine honey, as we had been robbed
Of some honey before.
-Police-sergeant Felton, F 5, deposed—ln conse-
quence of information I received from the mother
of a boy now lying in Charing-cross Hospital, I
apprehended the three prisoners. There are now
two boys in Charing-cross Hospital, one of whom
is very dangerously ill. He has been in a raving
state ever since he was taken in last night. The last
I- heard of him was that there was no hope of his
recovery. The other is getting better. They are
about the age of the prisoners. There, is another
in MiddleseX Hospital. Several have been taken
away from the hospitals by their parents. About
17 or 18 have been suffering more or less from the
effects of the poison given them by the prisoners.
I apprehended Kelsey at the National School, in
Brokers'-alley. He said, " I did take the stuff. A
boy named: Irish cut the hamper, and took out
some stuff from a jar, and gave it to me. We-stole
a-bottle from the same place, and put some of the
stuff in the bottle, with cold water from the pump
in the market. (opposite Butler and. M'Culloch's
shop.) .We thought it was Spanish liquorice: I
tasted.it and it was sweet, 'bid I thought it was
nasty, -like poison, so I. would not: take any more."
He also
.said, Woollen, Irish, and two others, ,were
with him. Two of the boys who had taken.the stuff
are' here.
Sergeant,tlolmes, F 3—l.tcok Kelsey to the hos-
pital to see one of the, boys. there, who was'thought
likely to die. I considered. that it might be impor-
tant that he should identify Kelsey. It appears,
however, that the boy was with them. He told the
he saw them taking the stuff from the jar, and
.he
said, " you shall not have it all," and snatched froni
them a portion, which he ate. lie is now deranged.
One of the two little ,beys spoken of by Felton
ther, who desired to
thhis ni
e vacant and bewildered
havewas nowilim putswo fronr. w a
Frrdobin y:
.appearance of his countenance he seemed hardly
yet recovered from the effects of the belladonna.
Mr. Henry---4 do not think that boy is in a fit
state to be examined. He is not well yet. . .
Felton—No, sir, he is not.
Mr: Henry=lle ought not to' have been removed
from the hospital.
Holines—We did not bring Min here, sir. Both
these boys have come here with their parents, who
would insist on removing them from the hospital.
Mr. Henry—You had better send him back again.
The Boy-L—l was not with these boys. The Middle
boy (Kelsey) asked me if I wanted some "Spanish."
I said " Yes," and he gave me some.
Mr. Henry—Did you drink much of it ?
The Boy—No, sir, only a very little.
• Mr. Henry—He will get over it. But I shall not
allow him to -be sworn at present. Now, Kelsey,
what do you say to this ? It is a very serious mat-
ter. You might have killed some of these boys.
Kelsey—We thought it was '• liquorish." It was
like jam. We made some " Spanish liquorish water"
with it, and sod it to the boys for a pin. I tasted
it and did not like it, so I was going to throw it
away, when a boy asked me to give him some for a
pin. I let trim have some, and he drank a good lot.
Then he wanted some more for another pin, and I
would not let him have it, but he drank alot more
in spite of me. Then another boy took it and said
it was " Spanish," and very good. So I had some
more.

Mr. Henry—You might have killed yourself, and
the others too.

Felton—These are three of the most notorious
little thief es in the market: -Kelseyi lam afraid,
has had a bad example set him at home. You may,
remember, sir, that his father was formerly pier
man at one of the boat piers. He disagreed with
his wife, and they were separated.
Mr. Henry-7—l remember the case.
Hormes—Kelsey's father was the man who was
killed in attempting to escape from the Great
Eastern at the time of the explosion. He threw
himself overboard to swim ashore. He had re-
peatedly saved the lives of other people from drown-
ing, as he was an excellent swimmer.
The mother of Woollen here came forward, and
said she had had a great deal of trouble with her
son, who was a very bad boy. He was constantly
in the habit Of going out to steal in the Market
She had recently Made an applicatfon at this court
with a view to have him sent to a reformatory. She
was to have bran ht him' before the magistrate on
Saturday, but he ran away from home, and she
could not find him.

311.. llenry—l think the reformatory would be
he best place- for- them all.' They are just the boys
ur FelthaM, and as I understand there -is room

hc're at rncsent, I may probably send them there.
Jaye they been convicted Mon: ?

Pe.forr said they had not.
'Holmes—But Kelsey has' been remanded. He
was one of' the four boys who were charged some
time ago with stealing a donkey and cart from the
market. They drove about for several days, and
were': at last taken at Highgate. They were
remanded for punishment, and then allowed to go
away.

Mr. Irenry—l think the best plan will be to send
them all to Feltham. However, I shall not do that
now. I shall remand them -till we see whether any
of the boys die, in which case I must await the
result of the inquest.
The prisoners accordingly stood remanded.

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