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PROXIES-THE JEWS.

, The Marquis of WESTMINSTER, after stating that it
was his intention at present not to bring forward his motions
with respect to voting by proxy and the emancipation of the
Jews, wished that the Noble Duke ( Richmond) would consent
to the names of the six Bishops being removed whom he had
proposed should constitute part of the Committee to inquire
into the expediency of taking unnecessary oaths.
The Duke of RICHMOND could not consent to the re-
moval of the names of the six Bishops, especially when he re-
collected that there were no less than 24 Lay Peers, who
formed part of that Committee.
The House then adjourned.

HOUSE OF CO7II4IONS, MANCH 2.
The SPEAKER took the Chair at ten minutes to four o'clock.
Several petitions were presented, but from the low tone of
voice in which the Members who presented them spoke, we
could not ascertain their purport.
A messenger from the India House presented returns of
certain compensations granted to persons lately belonging to
the Company's Maritime Service.
Messengers from the Audit Office, the Tax Office, and the
Bank of England, presented papers, which were laid on the
table.

Mr. EMERSON TENNENT presented petitions from
the town of Belfast, praying for leave to bring in a Bill to
make a road from Belfast to Dublin. Referred to the Com-
mittee.

Mr. BAINES presented a petition from Leeds, praying
for leave to bring in a Bill to light that town with Gas.
Mr. PL UM P'rRE moved for a copy of the minutes of the
court-martial upon Captain Aitchison.—Ordered.
Colonel LEITH HAY gave notice, that on the 19th of
March he should move for the re-appointment of the Com-
mittee upon Private Bills.
Mr. BUCKINGHAM gave notice, that on the 9th April he
should move for leave to bring in a bill for the better regulation
of the sale of beer, &c. ; and on the same day he should move for
leave to bring in a Bill to authorize parish-officers throughout
England and \Vales to take measures to provide public walks
and public institutions for the use of the mechanics, and to
afford them the means of social enjoyment after labour, without
having recourse to taverns or beer-houses.
Mr. J. JERVIS moved for copies of the correspondence
that had taken place between the sheriffs of the city and the
sheriffs of the county of Chester, with the Secretary of State
for the Home Department, relative to the execution of the two
men for the murder of Mr. Ashton, together with the opinions
of his Majesty's Attorney cad Solicitor-General thereon.
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL believed that it was per-
fectly well known what the opinions of his Majesty's law
officers were, but he believed that it never was usual to lay
upon the table of that House the actual opinion of the law

officers of the Crown. He had no objection to the other part
of the motion.
ANSWER TO THE ADDRESS.

The SPEAKER, having read the answer of his Majesty to
the Address presented on Saturday by this House,
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER rose to
move that the thanks of the House be presented to his Ma-
jesty for his most gracious Answer to the Address.
Mr. HUME said he scarcely thought the Address called for
thanks. In respect of Corporation Reform, the answer was silent,
and he was Lot pleased to take any notice of the amendment.
He therefore did not see that they were called upon to offer
thanks for an answer which in fact was no answer at all. He
believed such a course was customary, and that was the only

ground he saw for adcpting it on the present occasion. He
did hot wish to' offer any disrespect ; but he must say,
that he wished that communications between the Throne
and that House, and from that House to the Throne, should
be intelligible, and to some purpose. If it was mere rou-
tine, he had nothing more to say, but he would not commit
himself by saying what was not correct. He did not think
there was any ground for thanks, and therefore he could not
concur in it unless upon the understanding that it was a mere
matter of form.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, that
as a compliance in the vote of thanks was a uniform custom,
be could not help thinking that it was the unanimous feeling
of the House that there was nothing in the answer to induce
the House to dissent from that custom.---( Hear, hear.)
Mr. HUNIE said it was not for what was in the answer, but
• for what was omitted, that he objected to it. As, however, it
was a mere matter of form he would not seek to change that
practice, or to disturb the unanimity of the House.
The motion was then a,greed to.
NEW HOUSES OF PARLIAMENT.

Tho CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER rose to

move that the part of his Majesty's speech which referred to
the burning of the two Houses of Parliament, be read. On
that part of the speech being read by the clerk, the Right
Hon. Baronet said that there seemed to be a wish on
the part of the Hquse, almost unanimo lily, if not entirely so,
to recognise the propriety of the cot,se pursued-by his Ma-
jesty on the destruction of the two 111itises of Parliament, in
giving directions for the- temporary accommodation of the
two Houses. He referred to the Jlouse to adopt the course
most likely to suit their convenience and that of the public.
He rose to move that a Committee 'should be appointed to
take the matter into consideration, and that that Committee
should be composed of men of businesS most likely to give the
subject the best consideration. He hoped the House would be
satisfied with the constitution of that Committee, and they should
not have motions continually proposing to make additions to it.
A committee would be appointed by the House of Lords, for
the purpose of taking this part of the subject, w hick related
to the accommodation of that House, into consideration. He
had no doubt some means might be found by which the two
committees might be brought together : the regulations might
be adopted on their joint recommendation. He ought perhaps
to state, that his Majesty had thought it advisable, to call the
attention of an eminent architect to the re-building of the houses
of Parliament. These provisions, however, were made during
the late administration, still he might add, that his
Majesty's present Government entirely coincided in the course
which had been pursued. It was thought advisable that

seine person should be appointed, but if- the present con-
stituted Committee should think differently, he could
assure the House that nothing had passed which could at
all interfere with the operations of the C.-.,mmittec.

Mr. HUME wished to ask the Right Hon. Baronet whe-
ther it would be competent for the House itself to con-
sider the site upon which the new buildings were to be erected ;
he thought considerable importance wa attached to this part
of the subject, as to whether the site, was to be regulated by
the provisional Committee, or by the House ; for his own part,
he thought it ought to be decided by the I-louse itself, and he
therefore wished to ask the Right Honourable Baronet
whether that resolution would be passed without r,tference
to the site. He knew, as having been a member of the late
Committee formed for the purpose of considering the propriety
of erecting new Houses of Parliament, that many Members
were anxious to change their present situation.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER—This
difference proceeds on this assumption that the ancient site of
the Howes should be maintained. His own opinion was that the
present offered the most commodious position, but whatever
might be the opinion of the provisional committee, or the House
at large, he did not think that this particular question would
interfere with the appointment of the present Committee.
Mr. ROBINSON was anxious to know whether the en-
largement of the present site was in contemplation ?
The motion was then agreed to.
MINISTERIAL EXPLANATIONS.

Lord JOHN RUSSELL, rose to ask some questions of
the Right Hon. Baronet in respect to a dissolution of Parlia-
ment, which it was rumoured it was the intention of his Majesty's
Ministers to recommend, if the present House of Commons
showed a disposition to adopt different measures from those
brought forward. It has (said the Noble Lord) called for
measures of a more decided character than the Ministers had
advised his Majesty to recommend in his speech from the
throne, and the rumour is, that the only measure which was to
be adopted is now considered to be unnecessary, though the
Ministers felt that the . late vote of the House was
a censure upon them.—( Hear, hear.) I never knew any
Ministry to stand, with respect to the house of Commons,
in such an extraordinary situation before, and I thought -it ne-
cessary to call the attention of the House, before we went into
any Committee of Supply whatever, to the rumours which pre-
vailed. I want to ask whether the Right Hon. Baronet has given
any authority to those rumours ? Whether his Majesty's Mi-
nisters, having advised his Majesty to appeal to the sense
of his people, will .not be content, if. the House is adverse
to any views and measures brought forward by the Right
Honourable Baronet,—whether they will appeal again to
the sense of the people, and endeavour to wear out and
vex the country by repeated elections?—( llear, hear, hear.)
There have been rumours of a more extraordinary na-
ture—that if we came to a case in which it should
be thought advisable to dissolve the Parliament
before the passing of the Mutiny -Act, that the Right Hon.
Baronet would feel authorised in maintaining a standing army
I,a .a time of peace.—( Hear, hear, and laughter from the
:Ministerial side.) I admit that the rumour is in itself
absurd, and though it may have entered into the heads of
some sanguine persons to advise his Majesty to such a
course, a great deal of the force of such a suspicion
is dispelled by the answer of his Majesty to the Ad-
dress. After quoting that Address, the Noble Lord observed
—now, Sir, I cannot believe that they (the Ministers) have
given any such notice, or that they have a dissolution of Par-
liament at all in contemplation. I have therefore changed my
mind on the subject, and shall not ask the question which on
a former night, I intimated to be my intention to propose to
the Right Hon. Baronet opposite, when he should make his
motion for the Supplies ; but judging from the answer that his
Majesty has been graciously pleased to give to the amended
Address, I infer that it is not the intention of Ministers to
interrupt the House in the forwarding of those measures
which they think necessary for the welfare of the State, and
which, as the chief council of the nation, they may deem it
conducive to its interests to offer. With regard to the general
supplies I do not intend, as I have before observed, to put any
formal questions to the Right Honourable Baronet, but at
the same time, while I retrain from doing so, I do think
that we ought not to go into the details of that subject incau-
tiously, or until, at least, full explanations are given by Mini-
sters,
after the success of the amended address, of the course 1

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they intend to - pursue. I do not agree with the Hon.
Member for Middlesex (Mr. Hume), th'at his Majesty's answer,
in reply to the Amcnded Address, ought to have stated any-
thing definite as to the intentionof ministers regardingcorporation
and other reforms, but I am of opinion that they must state
their intentions as to the measures of reform they pro-
mise to introduce,—especially, they are bound now to give
those explanations, as the conversations which are rumoured
to have recently taken place in the old Palace of West-
minster tend to increase the doubts heretofore enter-
tained of the sincerity of Ministers as to Corpo-
ration Reform—or that they wish to give to the
people that cz.ntroul over these Bodies that they
formerly exercised, and that ought to be, most indu-
bitably, at once restored to them.—(hear, hear.) My
Honourable and Learned Friend the Member for Edin-
burgh ( Sir John Campbell) has given a notice, that in case
the Government do not bring forward a measure of muni-
cipal Reform, he shall propose a bill on the sulject. I trust
my Honourable and Learned Friend will persevere in his
motion, and that, whatever his Majesty's Ministers may
do, he will carry into efLset the wishes of the peonle.
With regard to the queition of the Irish Church, the Right
Honourable Gentleman oppoLite ( Sir R. Peel) stated, in
answer to a question proposed to him on the first night's de-
bate, that his Majesty's Ministers were determined to lay the
report of the Commissions on the table of the House, but
that they might not expect any thing from them in the way of
a motion. Having made no motion on the subject, it
is my intention, as soon as the report shall be laid on the
table, to bring the question formally before the House.
I shall then allude to the reforms which it was the intention of
his Majesty's late Government to introduce. Having stated
what our course will be upon these two questions, in order
that the Right Hon. Gentleman may answer the call which
will, I doubt not, be made upon him, I shall now leave it to
him to state the course the Government intend to pursue in the
new and extraordinary circumstances in which it is placed.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said—Sir,
it is always my wish to give to the House as unreserved an
explanation of the course which I mean to pursue as a public
man, as it is consistent with my duty as a Minister; and I
do not require any stated time to give an answer to the
questions of the Noble Lord—( Cries of " Hear, hear.")
I have not felt it my duty, in consequence of the vote of the
other night, to tender my resignation to his Majesty__( Loud
cheering from the Ministerialists)—and I do intend to perse-
vere—( Renewed cheering)—in that which I consider my
duty, and which is (notwithstanding that vote) to submit to the
consideration of the House those measures upon which his
Majesty's Government have formed their opinions. Sir, I
am aware that the House of Commons did, by a small majority
_(Loud cries of " Hear, hear,")—in an especially full
House--a majority of 309 to 302—pass a censure on
the King's Government, but did that majority of seven
imply a difference of opinion as to the necessity of a dissolu-
tion of Parliament, and an apprehension which I think was
unfounded, that measures which would be conducive to the
general interest will be interrupted by the appeal which his
Majesty has made to the sense of his people?—( Hear, hear.)
I did not believe that that majority which came to the
vote on the subject of the amendment did mean to imply an
opinion that that vote was tantamount to a vote for the removal
of his Majesty's Ministers.—( Cries of " Hear, hear.") I know
that there are many who concurred in that vote, who will admit
that I should have been acting inconsistently with my duty, if
I considered that that vote implied an opinion that it was my
duty to retire from the post t,) which his Majesty had called

me. Some Hon. Members voting for that amendment declared '
that such was their opinion. With respect. 6 the Irish Church,
(for I shall take the several questions of the Noble Lord in
the order which their importance merits, not in the order in
which they were put to me), I do intend to present to this
House the Report which may be made by the Commis-
sioners of Public Instruction, appointed by the late Govern-
ment. When I came into office, I ascertained that that
Commission had applied itself sedulously to the duties that
had been pointed out to it. I ascertained that they had com-
pleted their inquiries in one half the parishes of Ireland ; that
they were proceeding to make them in the others, and his Ma-
jesty's servants did not consider it consistent with their duty, the
Commission having been appointed by his Majesty, to interfere
with the progress of it.—( Hear, hear.) On the contrary, not
committing myself to the adoption of any of its sentiments,
or the principle of any of the measures which it might pro-
pose, I do intend to lay the Report upon the table of the House.
The Noble Lord has intimated an opinion that we would not
found any measure upon the suggestions of this Commission.
The Noble Lord misapprehended me.—( Hear.) What I said
was this—that I still remained of opinion that ecclesiastical pro-
perty ought not to be diverted from actual ecclesiastical purposes.
—( Cheers.) That was the principle which I always have
maintained, and on which I am still disposed to act, but I did
not preclude myself by that declaration from adopting any
measures recommended by that Commission, if I approved
of them.—( Hear.) Besides the subject of the corporation
commission, I know not to what conversations the Noble Lord
alluded. I speak only for myself, and I mean when the report
of the Corporation Commission shall be presented and con-
cluded (which I hope it will be in a short time, as we were
led to expect it at the conclusion of the last month,)
when that. report and evidence shall be laid upon
the table, I mean to give its suggestions and evidence my best
consideration. I assure the Noble Lord that I have no lurk-
ing prejudices in favour of the abuses of corporations.—( Hear.)
I cannot conceive how I can have any interest in maintaining- the
abuses of corporations ; on the contrary, I can feel that both I and
the public have a deep interest in putting an end to those abuses;
but it would be inconsistent with ray duty, as a Minister
of the Crown, looking at the report of the Committee of 183.3,
of which you, Sir, (addressing the Speaker) was Chairman.
and which stated that the remedies suggested would suit small
Corporations, but would not suit great ones, and that
the most popular Corporations were net the most pure, I
should not be enabled to form a sound conclusion as to the
most natural course I ought to pursue, until I had an oppor-
tunity of seeing the report of the Commissioners, of weighing
the evidence, andb of ascertaining what abuses really exist. I have
the honour of presiding over a corporation, and I am sure they
will give their unanimous assent, if the result of the Com-
mission prove that abuses exist, to any improvement that should
be suggested, and I trust that I am not committing any dere-
liction of the trust confided in me when I say, • that on the
part of my own Corporation there is a general disposition to
concur in the same course. I am sure that the Noble Lord will
scarcely charge me with any intention of blinking Corpora-
tion Reform. I repeat, I have no interest in doing so—
my only wish is that I should know the nature and
extent of the remedy, before I commit myself to
it.—( Hear, hear.) With respect to the last point, but in
fact the most important with which I was threatened on a
former day, but from which the Noble Lord has now receded,
—( Loud cheers from the Ministerial benches)— it is possible
in the interval the Noble Lord may have referred to a question
put in April, 1831, to Lord Grey. There were then rumours
very prevalent of an intention to dissolve Parliament, and with
good reason, for the question was put on the 21st of April,
and on the 22d Parliament was dissolved.--(Loud laughter. )
Lord Wharncliffe then said, that as allusion had been
made to the subject he wished to ask the Noble Lord (Grey),
whether there was any truth in those rumours, and whether
the Noble Lord had advised his Majesty to dissolve Parlia-
ment? Earl Grey, in answer, said, " that he believed the
question was one of very unusual nature--(great cheering
from the Ministerial benches)—and he could hardly bring
himself to believe, when the question was put by the Noble
Lord, that he expectcd.an answer." I will be more explicit.
The Noble Lord has asked me whether or not I have coun-
tenanced rumours that are prevalent respecting an intended
dissolution of Parliament, and I answer him that by no act or
expression of mine, either directly or indirectly given, have I
given any sanction to such rumours, and I also add, that I
have never even put a case hypothetically in, which such
a dissolution would be justifiable.—( Cheers.) It is
only respectful to the House that I -should state
this; nothing would be more unbecoming in lase than
to hold out any menace to this House, in consequence of any
course which this House may think fit to pursue. Another
rumour referred to by the Noble Lord was, that we are to
govern by means of standing armies, in case the House
of Commons should vote the supplies, or to pass the Mutiny
Act.—(Tremendous laughter.) I trust this rumour is of
recent origin, as I declare that the first time I ever
heard a whiseer of it was from the lips of the Noble Lord.
There was another question with which I was threatened the
other day, but which the Noble Lord has not put to-day, viz.
whether or not I should pledge to the House that his Majesty's
prerogative respecting the dissolution ofParliaraent should not be
exercised ? I never sanctioned such a rumour by any act or
expression of mine. It would be most unbecoming of me to
fetter the discretion of the House by any menace, or by a re-
fesence to any menace, and it would be equally unbe-
coming of me, as one of the Ministers of the Crown,
to place any of the prerogatives of the Crown in abeyance.—
( Loud cheers.) As a privy councillor, and adviser of the
Crown, I have never advised the exercise of this prerogative.
To the extent to which I have gone I venture to anticipate
that my answer to the Noble Lord will be satisfactory.—( Hear. )
LordJ. RUSSE LL—I did not mean that the Right Hots.
,Baronet was to govern by a standing army ; what I meant was
that there were rumours abroad that the Right Hon. Bart.
would consider himself justified in keeping up the army,
though there was no Mutiny Bill in ex istence. --( Hear. )
Mr. SPRING RICE enquired whether it was the intention
of the present Government to make any alteration in the sys-
tem of education established in Ireland by the late Ministers ?
Sir HENRY HARDINGE replied that it was not the
intention of the present Government to make any alteration
in that system ; but he would take that opportunity of stating,
that the estimate for that purpose would be larger this year
than it was during the last.
Mr. HUME asked whether, notwithstanding the
majorities against Ministers notwithstanding the feel-
ing of that House against them and, consequently,
notwithstanding public opinion, which the majority of
that House represented, the Right Hon. Baronet and his
colleagues intended to persevere in maintaining their places,
in the face of repeated majorities against them, and in spite
of the voice of the nation.—( Cries of " oh, oh") Would
they still persevere in retaining their places, notwithstanding
all these demonstrations of public opinion against them?
We have a right (continued the Hon. Gentleman) to expect a
steady, straightforward answer, and my question is, whether I
understood the Right Honourable Baronet correctly, that not-
withstanding the majority of this House being decidedly against
him and his colleagues, it is his intention to persevere ?
—or whether he doubts the opinion already expressed
to be the opinion of the majority of this House? I
should be very happy to know, because the Right Ho-
nourable Baronet most see that the people of England have no
means of stating their opinions but through their representa-
tives in this House ; and if the opinions of their representatives
are to be set at nought and at defiance, I do not know what
unpleasant consequences may arise.--( Hear, hear, hear.)
It may bring about a collision with the other House, which it
it is extremely desirable to avoid.—( Hear, hear.) It is con-
trary to almost all precedent, although it is perfectly well
known that William Pitt continued in office under similar
circumstances for a considerable time, but certainly during that
time the people out of doors were eventually with Mr. Pitt.
( Cheers from the Ministerial side.) That' is not the case
now—( Laughter and loud cheers from the Opposition)—
although I have no doubt there are Hon. Members on the other
side of the House who are under that delusion.—( Continued
laughter and cheering.) I am sure I speak as far as regards
my own constituents.—( Cries of " Oh oh.") Aye, I will say
three out of four. I have not the smallest hesitation in
in saying that three out of four in the county of Middlesex
arc against the present Government, and I therefore do
hope the Right Hon. Baronet -will, with his usual frankness,
answer my question—first, whether he considers the
decisions that have taken place do not show a majority of the
people against him, or whether lie intends to wait for a future
period in order to try the strength of the House?
Sir ROBERT PEEL—When I answered the question
put to me by the Noble Lord, I stated a simple fact, namely,
that in consequence of the vote the other night, I had
not considered it my duty to tender my resignation, and
I do assure the Right Honourable Gentleman, that in my
situation, I find it quite sufficient to dispose of the practical
questions that are put to me—(cheers from the Ministerial
benches)—without meeting hypothetical points to which the
Hon. Gentleman asks for an answer. I have not resigned, and I
mean to proceed in the execution of my duty, and submit to
the consideration of Parliament those measures which the Go-
vernment have decided upon.—( Cheers from the opposition.)
But with respect to the course I intend to pursue, until the
measures are actually brought before the consideration of the
house, I cannot pronounce an opinion.
Mr. H UME.—I regret I cannot make myself understood
to the Right Hon. Bart. The Right Hon. Bart. speaks hy-
pothetically, but I speak an actual fact. The Right
Honourable Baronet was in a minority on the Address
to the Crown—an actual majority of this House being
against him, and a large majority out of the House being against
him.—( No, no.) Such might not be the case with the con-
stituencies of some hon. gentlemen, but for his own he would
say, nine out of ten did not place confidence in the Government
of the Right Hon. Gentleman. Now these were actual
facts, and admitted of no hypothesis at all. If the Right
Hon. Gentleman is balancing between two courses, I have
no doubt that the Right Hon. Gentleman finds great diffi-
culty how he is to proceed. I think, however, that we
ought to know what we are to do, for since the question now
before the House is a matter of supply—it becomes us to be
fully acquainted with the proceedings of those who deniend
them. Others might be merely matters of form, this is a case
preparatory to granting the supplies, and if we are told that
the present Ministry, not enjoying the confidence of the people,
are to maintain their places, for they cannot carry on the
Government, it is for us to consider whether or not it
would be right were we to place at the disposal of hie
Majesty and his Majesty's Ministers any supply whatever.—
( Hear, hear.) Any thing that curbs the prerogative of the
Crown is extremely dangerous, and ought not to be resorted
to any occasion, except on the greatest emergency ; but
if, "after public opinion has been expressed in this manner,
we commit our supplies to the present Ministry, I should like
to know whose fault it is ? I do not think that the majority of
the House of Commons are to be treated in direct defiance,
and I should therefore like to ask the Right Hon.. Bart the ac-
tual fact, and not hypothetically.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER--.I really

appeal to the House whether I have shown any reluctance to
answer any quet'on. The House of Commons cam, to a division
the other night on the Address by a majority of 30.9 to 302:
against Ministers. I have said, looking at that majority, that 1
did not feel it my duty to abandon my place on this occa-
sion. If the Hon. Member thinks that he ought to
put himself in direct opposition, before he understands
what Ministers intend doing, I shall then know how to pro-
ceed. It would be quite out of my power to answer the ques-
tion of the Hon. Gentleman before I know the actual feeling
of the House with respect to the measures intended to be pro-
posed by the Government.
Mr. HITME.—I ask the Right Hon. Baronet whether be
thinks that the late vote against the Ministry to be a vote of
confidence or want of confidence in them ? It was stated by
the• friends of the Right Hon. Baronet as being a direct ilia-
play of want of confidence.
Sir ROBERT PEEL said on looking to that vote he did
not think it hid decided that it was his,duty to retire.
Mr. E WART would ask the Right Hon. Baronet if be
thought the vote was not a censure upon Ministers ?—( Hear")
Sir ROBERT PEEL—I can construe the address, and
I can construe the answer to the address ;
but I leave it to
those who voted for the amendment to construe their OWII
course of conduct—( Cheers and laughter from the Ministerial
s ide. —( Cheers. )
Mr. I3ARCL A Y said it had been stated, that the majOrkre -
of the people out of doors agreed with those that carried the
amendment. Now, as representing a very large body of the
people, he would deny that statement—at least the balance
would be found to be quite as nice out of doors as
within that House. During his canvass, he never heard anY
lamentations for the loss of the late Ministry.—( Cheers
from the Ministerial side.) He found the people out of doors •
to consist either of Conservatives or Destructives--( Laughter).
If the lion. Member for Middlesex could try the question by
a motion either condemnatory or commendatory of the late
Ministers, he would find that there would be no majority
either one way or the other.—( Hear, and laughter.)
Major BE AUCLERK thought the House was travelling
away from the real question before it, though he could saY
with justice and truth he had no confidence in Ministers, as
they did not go far enough to satisfy him.—( Hear.) At the
same time he was willing to vote for so mtich of the supplies
as would enable them to go on : he would not throw an/
impediment in the way of their bringing forward their Mee'
sures. It was of little consequence whether Government Was
Whig, Tory, or Radical, provided the measures introduced by
the Government were good.—( Hear, hear.) If the Minis'
tern could not make up their minds to bring forward
any satisfactory measures, he could not support the
but if they did, he would lie bound to do so. He
thought the attacks which had been made on both sides of the
House were not likely to be productive of any good.--(Hear.)
He should only vote for a certain supply, that Ministers might
have an opportunity of bringing before the House their inea' '
Aires, but if those measures were not satisfactory, he should
feel it his duty to stop the supplies.—( Hear, hear.) .•
Mr. O'CONNELL—The Right Hon. Bart, has said
something with regard to the Temporalities of the Iris"
Church, which I understood him to say are to be applied to ex'
clesinstical purposes. I wish to know if lam to understand
them to be iieaited to the purposes of the established Church .
Sir ROBERT PEEL-1 am bound to state that it is con.
fined to purposes connected with the doctrines of the Esta-
blished Church.—( Hoar.) In a short time the Report of the
Commissioners will be laid before the House, and I submit
whether it is not Premature to discuss these details at present'
Mr. O'CONNELL—I did not mean to excite any discus'
sion, nor do I think my question is calculated to do so.
CHAIRMAN OF COMMITTEE.
Sir R. PEEL rose and said—l beg leave to make a motion
which some gentlemen may not be prepared for, and which other
gentlemen may attribute to motives that have really no fott''
dation. • It is with the greatest satisfaction that I have
the honour to propose that Mr. Bernal should take the Caaa.'
as Chairman of the Committee of Ways and Means.—(lll;
moose cheering from all sides of the House.) I protest agantsf
misconstruction of my motives : what might havo been the fate o,
another proposition, I will not now inquire.—( Cheers al
laughter from the Opposition.) It is enough for me that
am of the present.--( Laughter.) Hon. Members may laugh
a
and cheer, but I can say with truth, that I never contemplated
Ile'
nourable other appointment.—( Cheers.) For I have witnes,sv"
with pleasure the great impartiality with which the le'
nourable Gentleman has presided in the Chair. And there
are many present who can bear me out in my assertill;
that I never had any other proposition to make. If t House is unanimous in calling that Hon. Gentleman to t 1•
.1.
Chair, it will, in my opinion, be only paying him the coml3ll.* ' •
ment to which he is justly entitled.—( Great cheering.)
Lord JOHN RUSSELL said, he rose merely for the Pa'
pose of bearing his testimony to the fact that Mr. Bernal Was
now only reaping the advantages which his strict impart
and gentlemanly behaviour in the chair had justly entitled hint
to at the hands of the House—( Cheers.)
11.1 r. BERNAL then went and took the chair, amidst the
most enthusiastic cheering.
The HON. MEMBER then read (pro forma) the paragraph °
his Majesty's speech which was addressed to the House of C°nid.
mons. He then put the question,—" That a supply be gran°
to his Majesty," which passed without comment, and was re-
ported to the House.
THE RATHCORMAC AFFAIR.
Mr. H. GRATTAN said that he did not wish to ewt:
any debate on the motion of which he had given notice el;
former evening, respecting the melancholy affair of gat!
cormac.—( Hear, hear, hear.) If the Right Honours,
Gentleman opposite ( Sir H. Hardinge) would conse,llt
to the production of the letter of the Noble Lord from t 6
• Horse Guards, he (Mr. G.) should abstain from making
observations on the subject.
Sir. H. HA RDINGE was obliged to the Hon. Member
for the course he pursued, but as to the letter of the No,sle
" f
Lord, much misapprehension was abroad as to the purport °I,
it. All it said respecting the melancholy affair in questi°.;
was the approval of the conduct of the military for acting Ira
obedience to the orders of the Magistracy, but not one w°
did it contain of approbation as to how they acted °
that occasion. He ( Sir Henry Hardinge) did not °er- '
tainly know how it came into the public newspapers, s'ie.
if his explanation was not satisfactory to the Hon. Gen
man opposite, he would refer him to Bristol and to other
places, in which instances it was always a practice
the Government to congratulate the military for the servi i
°e
which they rendered.—( Hear, hear.)
Mr. O'CONNELL, without participating in the motion;
hoped the letter would be laid on the table, and from it"as
explanation which the Right lion. Baronet had given, ail%)
the question was still sub judice, he hoped that no discuss''
would take place. The explanation which has been gis;eh,
t
until replied to, if it ever should, would have all the Weig
it deserved.
•
Sir JO [IN BYNG, without desiring to provoke a Meus f
sion, would wish to know what would justify the expression °,
" forbearance" contained in the Noble Lord's letter of cog°
tulation to the Ministry.
Mr. LITTLETON defended the late Government frog
the responsibility imposed upon them respecting this aft'',
neither it nor the present Government was charg )
able for any blame on this subject.--( Hear, hear, hesrl
After a few observations from the Right Hon. Gentleow„,
the motion was agreed to, and the House adjourned.

LOVE STRONGER TIIAN DOCTORS.—A certail:
female, resident in a neighbouring village, who has lived in
state of single blessedness to the age of thirty, had sunk, s°'ll
years ago, into a most pitiable state of ill health. As We proot
fess not to understand the pathology of disease, we can be
precisely say what her complaint might be ; suffice to say,
was constantly a patient of one or other of the medical P_lk
fessors. Latterly, she has been almost utterly unable to wrie
at all, and was evidently wearing away. In this deplotsvh
condition, it was thought advisable to try a journey by oilAcy;
to a short distance. While in the act of returning home, "of
or six weeks ago, she happened to get closetted inside eilet,,o
the stage-coaches, along with a gentleman nearly of
age. They talked on various subjects, until, at last, the 13,4
was asked if she knew of any female of about her own ke'r.
&c., who would take a situation as housekeeper ? She aarl.oli
ed in the negative. The querist, not so soon satisfied, pialt
told her that he did not mean a housekeeper merely,
partner for life. The lady hung down her head disci
st
and when she ventured to raise it again, it was to look etineo
the window, or any where rather than in the face of her "ver,
admirer. As the gentleman resolutely persevered, bend),
he not only overcame all her objections on account of ill heal A
but, before parting, got from her her name, address, &c.,* ttet
very few days after her arrival at home, she received a 'e jog
couched in such gallant terms, and abounding in such 10101/
professions, that its effect in bettering her health was traced
electric. In a few days more young Lothario again aPPei, *
in propria persona, Now was the cure complete !
week or fortnight following, she waited on one of our .111.4
respectable Sheffield physicians, who had attended her, ,eist•
notice that his further attentions would be needless. T"c„ired
ter gentleman was of course surprised, and eagerly encl.;
what was the matter? But judge of his further surprise'- to
her 0
his fair patient modestly informed him that she was go,"tbe
be married ! A hearty laugh and a most cordial shake 010.04
hand, however, showed how willingly the physician re3lcietle
his fair charge into abler hands. The lady is since oarinijo.
and was never in better health and spirits.—Shejfiela
pendent.

BIRTHS. Char°
On the 28th ult., at Houghton, the lady of the Hon. -
Langdale, of a daughter.
_„,„ of 6
On the Ist inst., in Brook-street, the Hon. Mrs. Staw`i'
daughter. of
On the 28th ult., the lady of the Hon. Edward Curzon,
daughter.
rd Air
On the 28th ult., in Berkeley-square, the lady of Craw.e ° ,
trobus, Esq., of a son.
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On the '24th ult., at Empingham Vicarage, Rutland, the
the Rev. Lorick Cooper, of a son. Esq.' o.
On the 17th ult., at Clifton, the lady of Elliot Roberts,
a daughter. 0 sib
On the Ist inst., Mrs. J. B. de Mole, of Merchant Tailors
of a daughter.
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111ARRIED.
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On the td inst., at St George's, Hanover-square, J
Gibbs, of Bicester, Oxon, to Mary, only daughter of .0
Bennett, of New Bond-street, London.

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DIED.
On the 27th ult., at Watergate, Sussex, Francis Pager flio
General Crosbie, and only child of the late G. W. 'Fb°lll—iiis 00
On the 2d inst., at Southampton-row, Russell-square, To iri
year, the Rev. James Capper, M.A., for more than 55 Yc
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o Wilmington, Sussex.
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