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form Bill had been passed, was it to he exp,ectednt
Itneth; pre-
sent ant Ewe of the Irish Church could long co
upon
the
Irish
thought that this measure was an improvement
sere—what advantage had been pained Church measure. What had occurreded ? by‘Ndatyiol
"Odthbisecr eren:
suited from the delii, last Session, when the Duke of Welling-
ton threw it out? Why, as a remedy for that evil the people
of the country had had to pay 400,0001. for_ the delay-
-600,0001. last year out of the inillion_ advanced. It was now
proposed to give up the question of the
,repayment of the
690,000/., and the 400,000/. had been paid ior delay, caused. by
certain parties who chose to interfere to prevent the adjust
' `-neat of this important question.—(Hear, hear.) In Zr"
1 what had been the consequence? The dere-
j-
pweenreedsttiollhsiunlffelraisntgi7:der the nr.:-...ure f
mr,setir sititfr reaffpd.
, when hl 6;PAttc.l te South of Ireland
at : me anueuwett'Slit of the rejection of that measure
;vatsh e tin
made' thtt
In
was in company with several gentleinen of,
large rtiverty and a Clergyman orthe Protestant Church.
'`i o the surprise of the company the Rev. Gentleman was the
only person who expressed his satisfaction at - the rejection of-'
the measure. The Clergyman on that occasion said, that he
was quite sure that the Duke would never have thrown it out
unless he was prepared to grant -another million for the main-
tenanca of the Clergy, and afford to them the restitution of
their rights. He ardently hoped that an increased majority,
instead of a decreased one, would mark the vote of that night.
( Hear, hear.) With respect to the resolution which the
Noble Lord had brought forward, he thought it a most incon-
venient mode of taking the sense of the House, but he felt
bound to support the principle. In this he was greatly con-
firmed by the Report which had been laid on the table 9f the
House.—( Hear, hear.)
Mr. G. F. YOUNG, when he looked to the state of Ire-
land, could not reconcile it to himself to hesitate in ...tying his
vote against the proposition of tie Right Hon. Baronet.—
. The Right Hon. Baronet bad failed in giving sufficient reasons
to prove that the House ought to take the course which he
called on it adopt.—( Hear, hear.)
Mr. F. FRENCH said that the principle of appropriation
was recognized in former reigns, and in Protestant countries
abroad.—( Hear, hear.) He denied that to appropriate for
the purpose of education, was supporting error. On the con-
. trary, it was bringing error and truth into the same arena,
and thus promoting truth, which from its own power was sure
, to prevail.

Mr. WALTER rose, but the greater part of his observa-
tions were inaudible in the gallery. The state of Ireland had
long and frequently been to the House a subject of special at-
tention ; but that it had unprofitably been so was clear, for
Ireland was as unsettled as ever, nor would the passing of this
Bill conduce to its permanent tranquillity. If they looked
back to the labours and Reports of their numerous Committes
they would find that the never ceasing cause assigned for the
distracted state of Ireland, was the penury of the great bulk of
the population. The population, in fact, was not in want of
education, but in want of bread. Dr. Doyle, in his pastoral
letters, states that numbers peaished from want. To sustain
this fact, the Hon. Member proceeded to read extracts from
Dr. Doyle's wiitings. He ventured to ask what relief such a
Bill as the present would afford to the suffering peasantry,
for whom nothing had been done that Session ?—( Hear,
hear.) He looked on all remedies proposed for the relief
of Ireland—except they afforded some provision for
the poor—(Hear)—as having some other object than that
which they professed in view. Besides a provision for the
poor, a Feat desideratum likewise was a legal provision for
the ministers of that Church, which, although it was not es-
tablished, and he hoped it never would, was still the religion
of the great majority of the people of Ireland. The most
reasonable men concurred in the two measures he alluded to
as essential to the tranquillity of Ireland. If he.thought that
end would be gained by the present measure, he would vote
for it, but as he considered that that result would certainly
not be attained, he would vote for dividing the Bill.—( Hear.)
Sir R. INGLIS differed from the Hon. Gentleman who
had just sat down on the policy and advantage of a provision
for the Catholic Clergy. With reference to his recommen-
dation of a poor law for Ireland, there was great misappre-
hension as to the proportion which the population now rela-
tively bore to its extent in former times. He feared the en-
tire effect of this Bill of the Noble Lord would be that it
would lead to the extinction of Protestantism in Ireland ; for
he argued thus, that if this Bill had been passed some 20 or
30 years ago, that particular part of it which places the lowest
limit to a parish which shall have a curacy or cure of souls
to parishes which have 50 resident Protestants within
it. Many parishes which would even under this Bill, have
pastoral care, would have been deprived of it by such a
regulation as this, which would have rendered it impossible
that they should have a congregation sufficier.t to entitle those
parishes to a regular performance of Divine worship or pas-
toral care, so as to form a parish, in fact, with cure of souls.
—[ Here an interruption took place, by an Hon. Member rising
at the farthest extremity of the House from the Speaker's
chair, amidst cheers and discordant sounds from various per-
sons round him. It proved to be Mr. Forrester, who said he
could not longer endure the interruption that he experienced
from a Member behind him—the Hon. Member for Youghall.
The interruption of the debate he conceived to be highly
indecent—(" Hear, hear," and violent interruption)—and it
was not, he must say, he first instance which he had wit-
nessed of similar indecent interruption by the same Hon.
Member. Here the tumult and noise rendered it impos-
sible for any Member to be heard, though several attempted
at the same time. Mr. John O'Connell, the Member for
Youghall, was seen to come from the rear to a seat in front
below the Ministerial Bench.]
The SPEAKER'S rising produced a return to order, and
silence was obtained, when he observed that it was not possible
the Hon. Member alluded to should not see the very great in-
convenience that always resulted from attefnpts at interruption
like that complained of. It was the fact that many Members
who had addressed the House upon different subjects of late
had complained, and strongly complained, of the increasing
tendency to interruption within those walls. ( Loud
cheering from all parts of the House.) A reiteration of that
interruption, on its frequent occurrence, must be as discredita-
ble to the parties who caused it, as it was, undoubtedly, preju-
dicial in the public opinion to the character and dignity of that
Assembly.—( Loud cheering for a considerable length of
time.) He trusted that, after that admonition, the House and
every Member of it would see the propriety of allowing the de-
bate to be continued without those interruptions or breaches of
propriety which, he was much concerned to say, he had of late
but too often witnessed.—(This address to the House was ve-
hemently cheered for some time.)
Mr. JOHN O'CONNELL apologised for the manner in
which, perhaps, he might convey his sentiments to the House
on this occasion. He was not at all in the habit of speaking
in that House, and he the was more embarrassed from the
suddenness of the attack made upon him. He had been in
that House since 1833, and hehad opportunities of witnessing
interruptions made by the Hon. Member who now attacked
him. He would now, since the Hon. Member had brought
against him a charge of being more than any other Member
distinguished by making a noise in this instance, that in
saying so, he said that which was not the fact.--( Loud cheer-
ing from his friends.)
The SPE AKER made an observation, which was lost to
us from the tumultuous state of the House.

Mr. C. FIT Z SIMON rose to moye the adjournment of the
debate until to-morrow.
The SPEAKER now rose to order. He observed that the
person who had taken the most prominent part in the recent
transactions had pursued a course of observation which most
likely would lead to results it was the duty of the Chair and
the House to prevent.—( Hear, hear.) The Hon. Member
below the bar had charged the Hon. Member on the floor
with conduct which he described as indecent and unbecoming,
whilst the Hon. Member for Youghall had retorted by stating
that what the Hon. Member had said, in so charging him with
being forward in disturbance, was not the fact. These were
strong expressions, and it did not become the House to suffer
them to pass without calling upon those Hon. Members
to retract those offensive and personal observations.—( Loud
cheers.)

Mr. FORE ESTER instantly rose to say he was sorry he
had uttered a word that was at all offensive to the feelings of
any lion. Mcmher.—(Hear.)
Mr. J. O'CONNELL, who had, previously to the late ex,.
hortation on the part of the Speaker, retired, was now seen
resuming his place.

The SPE AKER immediately addressed him personally,
restating what he conceived to be objectionable in what had
fallen front him and the other Hon. Member. He acquainted
him that in his absence the Hon. Member for Warwick had
apologised to the House, stating that if he had said any thing
which hurt the feelings of any Hon. Member, he was sorry for
it., It was now necessary that the Hon. Member for Youghall
should pay a similar tribute of respect to the orders and au-
thority of the House.—( Hear, hear.)

,
Mr. JOHN O'CONNELL said that, after the explanation
made of the circumstances which had taken place since he left
the House, he was prepared also to say that he was sorry he
had used the expression that the Hon. Member had stated
what was not the fact.

Sir ROBERT INGLIS resumed the debate, but the
voices in conversation were so loud, and the noise made by
Members retiring so great, that it was vain to attempt collect-
ing what he said, as there was a- general cry for adjourning
the question.
Mr. HUM E, amid the confusion, moved the adjournment of
the debate till to-day, which was carried.

. _
The other Orders of the Day were then disposed of, and
the 110113 C adjourned at a' Quarter to One o'clock.

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GURTROE HOMICIDES.—The Crown will prose-
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by the efficient Crown Solicitor for this circuit, Mr. Barring.-
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