The Sun.
London, England, 1835-09-03 00:00:00

Horn. Before the Hon. Member accui-ed_him ( Mr. Home)
of being -visionary, let hire .be -satisfied .that he was-
solid hinself. The trade of that country did not reculire
any of the extravagant preposterous pronostiois of the Hon.
Member. The way to promote the be=t interests of the
country was to facilitate the exchanges. The Ho.i. Member re-
lied upon the opinion of Mr. Huskisson; but the Hon. Member
should recollect that a protest was entered against that opinion,
and what had then been foretold had since actually taken place.
On these grounds, he had no hesitation in charging the Hon.
Member with being a theorist, and being entirely ignorant of
the principles of political economy.—( Hear.)
Me. ROBINSON—The Hon. Member is determined to
have the last word, and I have no objection to ;tilos him.
Mr. V. SMITH observed that the arguments of the Hon.
Member for Lancaster, relative to the proceelin -4s of the
Committee, were likely to mislead the House. He thought
the better way would be to wait until Hon. Members had the
evidence taken by the Committee before them.
Mr. P. M. STEWART explained.
After a few words from Mr. LABOUCIIERE the peti-
tion w s laid on the table.

Mr. CALLAGHAN presented a petition from Colic apinst
the present duties.
Mr. MA RSL AND presented a petition from Stockport in
favour of the Corporation Reform Bill, in which the pe!i-
tioners deprecates the alterations made by the House of Lords.
Mr. WILBRAH A►l presented a petition to the same
effect from South Lancashire.
IRISH CHURCH.

An EloN. MEMBER presented a petition from Sheffield
in support of the Irish Church. The Hon. Member,
whose name was unknown in the Gallery, said, that
out of 399 petitions on this subject which had been sent
to this House, only 14 were in favour of the appropriation
clause in the Irish Church Bill.
• Lord MORPETH made a few observations which were in-
audible in the gallery.
Mr. GRATTAN remarked that the Protestant Establish-
ment had been on the stilts in Ireland for the last three years,
and now the stilts were rotten, down it must come.
Mr. O'CONNELL knew nothing of the stilts to which
his Honourable Friend had referred, nor was it his desire
to see that rottenness he spoke of, but while he acknowledged
that the petitioners had a perfect right to their opinions, he
must observe that the logic was rather against them. The
population of Ireland was eight millions, of which only eight
hundred thousand were Protestants; and therefore, as sure as
any rule in Cocker,.9-10ths of the population formed a surplus.
Would the Hon. Member opposite like the same plan to be en-
forced in England ? Would he not think it a great
hardship if the Protestants, who formed the majority
in this country, were compelled to pay for the
support of the Roman Catholic priests? He hoped, notwith-
standing all the opposition displayed in another place, that this
crying evil would be remedied.

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to the IIII:. l.'-l„elorese, he le.lieeeii, ceuld'Oe ieero ee::,:o to,
the vete. eee,e), oee all edroeafed than : ;T.ieg such •
a eeep..
His Hen ee eeele ccieed s;ii,i 1:1 weeited thet to be
done for the purpeee of discussing the Bill,—
in.Cl.3e it ci,l. cot pass. If htecthe Chenceller el-the-Exche-
quer) war, t), erietemplate tlect alternative they nould have the
opportuele ol rlieeussing, if not rospectfulli but reselu l-,-
( Hose,' tee - ).___end that opeewizintly he was yea:le 'to
avail him: :: o(. ii. the Bfll pissed,i..v
was requie.' : --if it cild net 1- ass, teo elee ,e„e . e e
e. :d
be afihrtieti them _,/ the re:teeming :A' e• , ;e, ..eel,
they would titan be called neon to deal ei-ii.--( ,e ~,.. )
But he eetreetcd Hon. I'lle,ebees not to let triene.el..ee e-, a
rnement pregnant • with important interests, vu ,ee tie'
view of the case, take a step which trout roe-. :e e. -:elly
interfere to preveat the accomplishment of their .. : :e!.'. i ...:id
not rely murili on the argument that the pesteteoenent of the
Bill was, in fact, entailing another wet ,k cn the , -- ei for the
Bill must go through its regular course in the lletoe of Lords.
It was not on these grounds he ohjeeted, bat upon plain cud in-
telligible grounds, which he had stated, and which the Eon..
Member must admit, wel_dd bind h:ni to give up his motion.
He did not eels this cor the pet pose of avoiding or prevetiting
discussion, but it was because he trusted and believed that the
Bill which they had discussed with good temper and conciliation
(Cheers)—to carry which Hen. Members had suspeaded, but
not abandoned, their opinions, and should cat be now,
marred by a course which would be calm; Al,l to ren-
der the Bill acceptable to the other branch of the
Legisieture. He only asked of' his Hon. Ricied to per-
severe, to be consistent with himself, aed to give
them an opportunity of passinee the all in the
same spirit in . which the Bill had Leers carried
through that House. He earnestly entreated his Honourable.
Friend's attention to the advantage of sending up . the
Bill unaccompanied by the appearance of a threat, which.
would be likely to enlist angry passions. On these'
grounds he humbly entreated the House net, to aequiesee in
the proposition now made, or he would rather say, he mantel:Al
of his Hon. Friend to withdraw his motion.
Mr. O'CONNELL hoed his Hers. Friend would cornply
With the request of the Right Honourable Gentleman, as no.
reasonable advantage ciuld be gained by it. As to stopping the
supplies that could not now be done, ant.l, therefore the
proposition came too late. Every advantage thet might be
gained would Le equAlv gained licer the Bill had been
rejected—( Hear, hoer,)—and with the addition that
they had been actuated throughout by good temper and con-
mliation.—( Hear. ) If he did not fear that his advocacy
would lo likely to endanger the passing of the Bill, he would
say more ueoa the subject. In any assembly which could be
actuated by such paltry and pitiful grounds of opposition such a
proceeding woul.i be considered a ground of insult.—( Hear.)
He trusted, therefore, his Hon. Friend would allow the Bill to
be read a third time.

Mr. fIUME was of opinion that the powei of putting the
supplies into whatever hands they pleased. If they could not
now stop the supplies, as the Honourable and Learned Member
for Dublin had asserted, where was the It-rn in postponing
this Bill till Monday ? Could Members be ip;norant of what
had taken place last Session when Ministers, in the full confi-
dence of the people, were turned cut of power? Either the
House of Commons had the power to withhold the Su plies,
or it had not—if it had, now was the time to exercise that'

power.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUE said—the
second speech of the Hon. ember rendered it still m,re -
necessary that they should pass tl-e Bill. He - thought frc m
the unximity which existed in House from the ras itig of
the Bill, the step of the Right Hon. Gentleman would weaken
the Ministry.

Mr. DUNCOMBE wished to know whether that House
was in a condition to stop the supplies or not.—(" No 1" from
the Chancellor of the Exchequer.) GI ciat misapprehen-
sion on this subject out of doors. Petitions were
pouring in every day; he had received one from a large
portion of his constituents requesting him to vote fur stop-
ping the supplies, in the event of the House of Lords muti-
lating the Reform Bill. He wished to know whether they
had the power now to stop the supplies?
Mr. VAR BURTON conceived that they could not insert
a clause in this Bill without the concurrence of the other
House. There were already Exchequer Bills enough in the
hands of Governmet,to enable them to carry on their functions.
of Government till they met again, and then he wished to know
what was the mysterious power to which his Hon. Friend
(Mr. Hume) alluded. They had no such power in their
hands. They had it indeed, if they had thought proper to
exercise it, before the Supplies were vcted.
Mr. WILKS suggested to hiss Hon. Friend to withdraw
his motion, as it could be attended with no practical ad-
vantage.
Mr. HUME contended that that House had the 'power to
stop or limit the Supplies, if they thought proper to exercise
it.—( Hear, hear.) If, however, the Right Hon. Gentleman.
thought it would. show a want of confidence in Ministers,
or that it would endanger the great measure
of Municipal Reform, he undoubtedly would hesitate to press
his motion ; that was the only ground on which ha would con-
sent to withdraw it.

Lord J. RUSSELL—It certainly would show a want of
confidence in Ministers if such a motion were curie]. The e
certainly was do way in his opinion in which a want of con's,..
donee in Ministers could he more thoroughly shown.
Mr. FIUME—Then, Sir, I will withdraw my motion.—.
(Cheers.)

RAfter some observations from Mr. Ruthven, the Bill was
rend a third time and passed, and Mr.. Bernal was orde,•ed to
take it up to the House of Lords. •
(LEFT SITTING.)