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London, England, 1832-07-06 00:00:00

cese, consisting of the bishop and beneficed
lergy, who are to collect the whole incomes t)i
•he clergy in the diocese, and to divide then)
,greeably to the shares to which the clergy are
•espectively entitled. The object of this i 3 to
remove individual clergymen from collision with
heir parishioners. His third Btll is to allow
'andlords to redeem their tithes, and the Corpo-
ration to invest the price in land. All these
measures suppose the necessity of the allocation
)f the property now in possession of the Pro-
testant Church exclusively to the maintenance of
that body. Unfortunately for him, the people
of Ireland think the time is now come for be-
stowing the public money only on those whose
,ervices are useful to the State ; and they are
it a loss to see the utility of maintaining a clergy
who profess a religion which is not that
of the nation. The arrangements for ascertaining
the tithe, and for levying it, may or may not be
well contrived ; the more difficult question re•
maids, why should so much money be taken
from the people forthe sake of a sinecure Church ?
Mr. Stanley admits now that this property is
under the control of the Legislature, but he
contends that, till the Legislature otherwi-e
dispose of it, the parties to whom it is at present
destined should be enabled to possess it.
4‘ Whatever difference of opinion (he said) he might
have with those with whom he acted upon ether
gney-
ions, it was not his intention to do away with the con•roi
which the Legislature might assume over the property of
the Church.—(Hear, hear.) Whatever opinions he might
have expressed at any time upon that subject, to such
opinions he alone was pledged. But there was nothing in
the arrangement which he was about to propose the could
in any way affect the power which the House could have
over the property of the Church. His proposition would
only go to substitute one kind of property for another
But that woult be no less under the control of the Legis-
lature than the property which the Church held at present,
and it would be less subject to the influence of any out-
break of popular violence.—(Hear, hear.) Be tithes ob-
jectionable or not, no man could wish to see them, or any
other kind of property, got rid of by a popular combina-
tion.—( Hear, hear.) It would be dangerous to the peace
of the country, and to the security of all its institutions, it
the property of the Church were allowed to be done away
with by a comhinition, which might easily be r. entered
applicable to the county rates, nr to the rent of land, or
to any impost sanctioned by the Legislature.—( Hear, hear. )
Whether or not the property of the Church was to be
wholly at the disposal of the Legislature, it was at leas,
under the protection of the Legislature—(hear, hear,)—
and it was not to be left to the undisputed control of po-
pular violence and combination."

It is, no doubt, an evil that legal claims
should be controlled by popular violence, but
the popular violence, we fear, proves that the
body with whom it lay to reconcile the law with
the welfare of the people, required the correc-
tion of popular violence to enlighten their con-
science ; and Ireland being now in a state of
disorganization on account of tithe, payable to a
sinecure Clergy, while the claims of the poor,
(who must be maintained somehow,) are disre-
garded, it seems to us that the removal of the
cause of the disorganization must precede the
removal of the disorga'iization. It appears to
us, that as one great cause of the hatred of the
Irish to Tithes is the allocation of them to the
clergy of a sinecure Church, the determination
as to the destination of the property should
precede the measures for ascertaining and levying
it. The man who would pay a tax without
scruple for the defence or security of his country,
might yet object to pay it to idle sinecuriats.
Mr. James Grattan objected to the scheme of
Mr. Stanley, as compositions could not be en-
forced. He was anxious to see something like
the Scotch system established for the present.
He proposed a series of resolution, stating
that it is essential to the peace of Ireland that
tithes should cease and determine ; that the
Rouse recognises the various interests, and the
duty to provide compensation, and the liability
of landed property to contribute to a fund for
religion and charity; hut that the mode of levying
and distributing the fund be lett to a Reformed
Parliament. The debate, after a division, was
was adjourned to Monday next. Several Mem-
bers declared that the Protestant establishment in
Ireland was a great grievance, however respect-
able the Protestant clergy as a body may be.
This battle will be fought inch by inch ; the issue,
however, cannot be doubtful.—Morning Chron.
We are happy to state that, from all we hear,
the new Vestry Act is operating very favourably
in most of the large metropolitan parishes. In
the large parishes of Marylebone, Pancras, and
St. James, Westminster, the new men are rout•
ing out the errors and abuses of the old ones,
and with every probability of very soon pro-
ducing the most desirable result—that of re-
ducing the amount of the rates, without in any
manner diminishing, but rather adding to, the
comforts of the poor, for whose necessities the
rates are principally collected. In most places,
we understand, the most scandalous scenes of
abuse have presented themselves ; not arising
so much from any peculation on the part of those
who had charge of the parish funds, but from
their own indolence and ignorance of business,
and their tacit connivance at the indolence and
ignorance of those about them. The well-known
phrase of tel maitre tel valet has, in many of
hese instances, been literally verified, the master
having been quite ashamed to have the man
wiser than himself. The consequence has been
that in many instances the accounts have fallen
into complete confusion, and any thing like a
check upon needless expenditure appears to have
been quite beneath the notice of irresponsible
bodies. Auditors have, in most instances, been
looked upon as prying nuisances, which were not
to be tolerated ; or where they were colourably
idinitted, they were only allowed to look into
by-gone payments, not to scru.iilize the pro.
priety of unnaid demands. From these and a long
train of other evils the representative system is
it length likely to rescue parishes, as an im-
proved representative system is, we trust, caltu-
lated to rescue the country. Nothing can be so
mischievous as power in irresponsible hands.—
The honestest man, unless he feels that he is an
accountable agent, is too apt to deal with affairs
as either of no consequence, or, in time, to con-
vert what ought to be a trust for others into a
s dirce of mere favouritism or personal benefit.
We have little doubt but that in a reformed
Parliament we shall see persons who, as Man-
hers for exploded boroughs, were very often
worse than useless, become, if elected by a large
constituency, both active, diligent, and useful.
So it is in the affairs we have first alluded to.
flue new members of the vestries alone will nut
.lo all the good their election will produce,. but
heir active surveillance will impart itself to those
who have hitherto slumbered on their post.—
.Vorning Herald.

The WEATHER.—The heat of the sun i,
.i“w becoming exceo,ive, the rmosphere being alinm•
loudiess, and the wind imperceptinle. The hay harves,
pr seeding with great vigour, and the crops are very
hundan'. A great portion of the lea hay is already
ioused, of course in the fittest condition, and the meadows,
,t the immediate ne:ghbourhood of Whitehaven at least,
r- princip illy mows'. The grain clops, wheat in par-
•-ular, look uncommonly promt,ing, and very thing i..or•
rids a season more than usually productive ftmo
,r man and beast. Tne accounts from all parts of Erg.
rid and Ireland are to the same effect.— Whiteha ren
Herald,