The Sun.
London, England, 1835-02-28 00:00:00

HOUSE OF COMMONS, Fin. 26

The SPEAK L.:11 took the Chair at a quarter to Nu' o'c:ock.
Mr. Alderman WOOL) brought up a Report of the Committee tli)°'
Standing Orders.—Laid on the table.
Lord GRANVILLE SOMERSET brought in the Great
Railway Bill, which was read a first time.
Colonel SIIITIIORPE, after complimenting Alderman NV°4',,
upon the Bill, which ha wa, about to introduce for the regulation, °'
hackneY.coaches, cabrio!ets, &c., and remarking upon the Imporianc:
and utility of the measure, moved for returns of the number of inf°'
mations, convictions, and penalties inflicted upon the drivers of hgic'
ney.coaches, cabs, &c., in London and Middlesex for the last t1ed
years.—Ordered.
Mr. li. BULWER gave notice that on the 7th of May he h Uid,
move the appointment of a select Committee to inquire into the e
penses of the cdnsular establishments.

POOR LAWS (IRELAND.)
Mr. W. S. O'BRIEN, seeing that another hon. member.: tlle
member for Waterford, had taken up the subject of a provision fur ",..1e
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poor of Ireland, be begged leave to withdraw his motion upon that tut'
ject, and merely introduce a resolution to the effect that some pre. WI:
should be made for the infirm poor of that country.
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Sir 0. MOSELEY presieeted a petition from the landed propric
the parish of Swinnerton, in StaffOrd, complaining of agricultural w
tress, and praying relief.
Mr. A. BARING brought up certain returns connected with the o
Board of Trade. The right hon. gentleman observed in moving
these papers be printed, that the returns were of a very extee,tl''e
and comprehensive nature, and reflected much credit upoo,ooh
officer by whom they had been prepared.—(Hear, hear.) He ‘`
beg to say that whenever any hon. member required any retn'te
connected with the trade, manufactures, or revenues cf the countrit,, sl
would hike the liberty of recommending him to look over these statistic
tables previous to snaking any motion in that house, and he be`.o
doubt that he would find in them the required information.--(lie
Certain returns might of course be occasionally required with partici)
modifications, which those on the table did not present, but in 64°30
purposes they would be found to contain every information thae.Wto
quired.—Ordered to be printed.
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Mr. HANDLEY seeing the Right Hon. Gentleman in his _
would beg to ask whether his Majesty's Government had taken '.
steps to prevent the frauds which were prectised its the importation)...
Foreign Grain to the Isles of Man, Guernsey, ate'. Jersey?
Mr. A. BARING said the subject was Nee of the first that had c 0
under under his consideration on taking offices He believed that practiceso
a fraudulent nature (but certainly not to any great extent) had tale et
place in the Isle of Man, and in a very short time measures WOK!
taken to prevent their recurrence, •
Mr. S. R tIO
ICE said he hoped it was not intended to be imputed --eed
.late government, that they connived at this practice. On the Pa,o4
those gentlemen he would boldly state that they had always evin
the utmost desire to administer strictly and impartially the law :vs
stood. —(Hear, hear.) He hoped, in justice to them and to the Pa
that the fullest information would be given.
Mr. PEASE said that in the course of the last session, being eseeeel.,
ingly interested in this subject, he had put some questions to the
nistration respecting it. On that occasion he had been toldth „,,
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matter hod been investigated, and that the practice was carried on t
e-to extent perfectly trivial. It was important to the character oe th
ministration that the matter should be fully sifted.--(Hear, hear.) 0,,
therefore hoped that the matter would receive a full and complete ioc
tigation.
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Mr. A. BARING said he hoped he had not said anything that oe
lead the House to suppose that he meant to throw any blame urn to,
late Government upon the subject. Undoubtedly the practice
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which he had referred was carried on in the Isle of Men; 00
no to such an extent as could materially affect the markets. toe
same time it affected the local markets on the opposite coasts.--(ee,),
hear.) But whether to an extent great or small it was equollY at"
and ought to be enquired into.—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. S. RICE said that having seen some charges made on the'subleelo,
elsewhere, he trusted he only did what was right, In stating theta
part of the late Government.
The papers were then laid on the table.
BALTIC TIMBER,
Mr. HUTT wished to know whether it was the intention of t"" or
vernment to inquire into a practice of *sinister nature, namelY,
importing Baltic timber into Canada, ard exporting it again fiom the
to this country as Canada timber ? itt
Mr. A. BARING said it was are intention of the Governmen-
t to
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troduce a measure on the subitiote., but he could not state at that row"
what the nature of that mee:Sure would be.
Mr. AINS WORTH 'rose and said he should take the liberty of P' ret
a question to the riv,,t hon. baronet opposite. The right lion. berethr
had declared, `,ast night he was determined to carry forward
great prinekeles of reform. As the representative of a large, enlisrhtelor
and poeul'otis constituency, he took the liberty of asking him ,
question—'-it was this—He wished to enquire from his Majesty's nn: I
tern whether it, was their intention to extend corporations to the pill
boroughs—whether it was their intention to place them on a footing to
with the ten pound freeholders?
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The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER we
said, the question gri
the hon, gent. had put to him was one on which he was not Prilloef
to give any opinion as to the coursewhich government intended to I°o
with respect to it. He was quite ready to admit there ought to he 70/,
specific plan proposed for the proper regulation of municipal
Porations, and the extension of the police to certain of the
boroughs. No one could be snore ready to admit its clam of
the attention of the house, and certainly what he had hi°,lesS
already clone on that question in the metropolis 'lan pernisP44o
best proof his desire for a speedy arrangement of that pet
ject.—(Hear, hear) But he doubted whether it be Pen
to extend the same system universally to the n'aw boroughs—it sago,
which he was not quite prepared to decide. He should e
before he determined on so important eut.ject, to be put in
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session of the report of the present commission of encl"
as to whether corporations ought to be increased in this country ?
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bill was brought forward by the late Lord Chancellor, Or gel
purpose of extending corporations to the new boroughs. pit
he (Sir Robert Peel) was under the impression that the PrinceSt
of that bill did not meet wills the unanimous conseat °rid et
house. The house was of opinion that a great expense le°n`ish
attended to the country; under these circumstances he did not -nos
to enter rashly on its consideration ; but was anxious to be put in rOOO
session of the report before he entered with any specific ieterosi°
on its inquiry.
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Mr. COBBETT would take leave to express a hope that whatever
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done with respect to introducing corporations into new or old bortf el)
no Bourbon police, clothed and equipped as the police of the 'net'e', e,
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was, would ever be introduced into the country parts of this kingtin! "elf
Sir E. CODRINGTON made some observations, which were W
inaudible in the gallery.
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MINISTERIAL EXPLANATIONS.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER rose and leste
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that probably it will be the most convenient course OS Petio
and the most respectful, on my part, to the feelings of: the "te
—to state now, that if I did not last night answer: the ,s 4
tion of the noble lord, it was not from any enswillilso
to afford the information to the house, and still less did I withil°
any answer from any desire to take any unfair advantage of the IC
members on the other side. But I did wish, on a mattdr
of such 7.,e
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importance, to have a little time for consideration as Ou the cono-s
should pursue, and exclude the possibility of acting eueder the row" l
tary impulse of temper or disappointment.—(h ear hear, hear') to
teas awart, that hasty decisions have sometimes beets Inw'ceeti
the bitairs of this house, and bearing in mind the ti
bi this house in the last session upon the Malt 1.'04
(Hear, and a laugh)—past experience has warne4 me to take a littlebot,
to deliberate, and not come to any hasty decision.--(Hear, hear,
Another reason was that I was anxious to postpone any decision ul
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the subject until I had consulted wills those who are connected oge
me. The debate had continued for three nights, and it was genetforit
anticipated that it would not terminate last night. It was, ttict.oot
possible that members might have been excluded who, on a subse4
occasion, would have voted far us. I have since made lequ pal
and I have good reason to believe that that division 11.1°,e,'
accidental, and that it was a fair intimation of the sense of this nnn" tt)
(Cheers from the opposition members)—and that if I were to 1,V1; rr
sense of the house on the present occasion, I have no reason •t 0
that there would be any other result.— (Hear.) That beiis* the c
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have no intention to attempt to subvert the decision of .144 siightOeue
if the effect of my determination will be to prevent any eLrther
sion or debate, I shall be amply satisfied.
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Lord JOHN RUSSELL said the Right Hon Baronet
that manly and straightforward course which Ise expecte" the'
him.—(fieare hear, hear) He now begged leave to 31314i1c-
right hon. Baronet that on whatever clay he should propriee his 112`
mittee of Supply, he (Lord J. Russeil) should feel it his duty to styoleo
right hon. Baronet some questions respecting the twproaching ‘ll'
tion of Parliament—(Hear, hear.)
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCFEQUER hoped that IsP°„ "a,
questions the noble lord had to Set. of him, he would give him ° -
notice as possible,—(Hear, ant a laugh.)' the Mr. ilUMEsaid it
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bringing,isp °- f .ad been intention to address the house aft e
.e report, but from what Sir R. Peel had now! ,s
he should 'alter the course we ich he hail intended to pursue, an el 111.ee st'
eav'e the time of the house. He had no hesitation in acnit.ti'eg,
cordance with what had fallen from hon. members on the Cittlo%
of the house, that there was a great difference of 01);* ale°, osid
hon.. members upon his (Mr. Hume's) side of the tie ese 00 tore'
points. but there was none on one point, and that was 'the deiireoul4,
move his Majesty's present Ministers from office. no thought tr
have been more becoming, and mere in deference bee the „pinion v
constituents, if they had come directly to a VP'“e that they 13eat IP
opinion that no confidence should be placed that ministry. ,utei
order to show that they were not a "sop, of sand," he could POe
the honourabie members on the otb'er side of the Ignisl'i• the
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he believed he spoke the sentiments of the' majoritymajority„
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honourable members on his (Al r. Hume's) side, that thelieht
prepared to follow up the courses, they lad adopted. He t";
would have been moor simple' and better if the house had nun',.-,,t le
amendment which he had. intended to propose. The amenife,6o4:o
that the house deeply regretted that his Majesty had been advl- oti
to his councils, men in Wt. om neither the people nor their repreie ers'n
have any confidence, honeying that they were not disposed ,70bie,e
those improvements w'aich they expected from the reform
most excellent measure they had strenuously opposed. T,l.4,the
have brought the question at once to an issue, although he adino; ge!S"
might be other modes of arriving at the same point.—(Hey'ei Prie
He had one or two observations to make which it occurred t') 'tot t
not been noticed in the course of the debate. He considered eeri
debate which had taken place was a debate entirely of parts.--1 ecoe
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He would take that opportunity of saying that be -ha' des )1.00
been a party man.—(Great laughter) He had opposed both Tooiric.ett
Whigs.—(Tremendous laughter.) He could bring to the Newt
of the right hots, baronet instances where more than once he tioe.
him and his party in office by not persevering in a factious aseP°'4oot, o'4
He could also call to mind instances where the right hon. Teentej sng
member fur Cumberland (Sir J. Graham), who last night t ole tie
cast abuse on the gentlemen of his, (Mr. Hurne.4o ill 1,4
the House, was one of those factious men who joined eeeere",
attempt to throw out the Government.—(Hear, hear, apr,,,ofr)
What was the ground of the opposition ? Whether in the 3'iA
word " distress" or "general distress" should be introduced.—(` '
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This was the Ran who coiled that side of the haueee Ono
of factious men leagued to disturb the government.—(Hear.)
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say that, during the last twenty years of his (Mr. Hume's) tio"".
sole object had been, to obtain relief from those heavy hisrustr-otioo
which the country suffered, and a reform of abuses. The 0b