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eessary to distribute those presents, and to superintend what .
Vas called the Indian department.
After a few words from Sir G. GREY and Mr. RomeSON,
which were not audible, the vote was ag-reei to.
On the question that 34 51 11. be granted to defray the ex-
pense of canal communications in Canada,
Mr. ROEBUCK objected to the vote he dial rot see bow
so large a seem could be required.
Mr. FR ANCIS BARING said that 2e,9901. out of the
whole sum was required on eeecunt of compensations to indi-
viduals fur leases sustained and laada taken in the formation of
canals.
Mr. fi UM E had oppoeed the Paideae Canal (towards the
support of which, he supposed this money was to be voted)
from first to last. He objected to the grant of the present sum.
if the canal were likely to be usetui to the country, of course
it woubi be worth the while of the Canadian Government to
take it cif our hands. If it were not likely to be naotul, Eng-
land ought f.ot to be called upon to contribute furtter sums for
its maintenance.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER admitted
trot the whole cost of the construction cf the canal had more
than tripled what it was originally estimated at. Still it must
be obvious to every one Zieet it was calculated to confer great
benefits as well upon this c:Amti'y as upon Canada. Of late,
too, the tolls upon it had very coneitea:ably increased, and
there was every prospect of its ultimately Yietti:.g a handsome
•
revenue.
After some further discussion, in which Mr. Roebuck, Dr.
Bowring, Mr. French, Mr. A. Chapman, and Mr. Labou-
chere took part, the vote was agreed to.
On the question that 16,1671. be granted to defray the
arges of the salaries of Governors, Lieutenant-Governors,
and others in his Majesty's West India Colonies,
Mr. HUME observed that in his opinion every Governor or
Lieutenant-Governor ought to be paid by the colony over
which ho presided.—Vote agreed to.
On the question that 963/ Os. 33. be granted to defray the
expense of the civil Government of Heligoland,
Mr. HUME begged to inquire what a civil Govnrnment
was required for ? Formerly, all the establishment deemed
necessary to manage affairs at Heligoland was a captain and a
Lieutenant; but now we had a Lieutenant-Governor with
500/. a year, a Lieutenant-Governor's clerk with 136/. a year,
two clergymen with 50/. each, a town-clerk with 60/., a signal
man 601. 103., a buoy keeper 331. 6s. Bd., a mail carrier
691. 6s. Bd., and a block-house keeper 31. He wanted to
know what employment there could be for all these various
officers ? Above all, what need could there be for two
parsons ?
Sir G. GREY offered a few observations, but they were
not audible.

The vote was then;.greed to.
On the resolutiodbeing proposed that the sum of 60,7501.
should be granted to defray the charge of salaries and allow-
ances to the special justices appointed in pursuance of the Act
for the Abolition of Slavery in the British Colonies,
Mr. HUME asked whether the additional allowance of
150/. per annum on account of house rent and horse hire,
which had been. made by the Government to the special jus-
tices in British Guiana, and of which he (Mr. Hume) did not
complain, because he thought the Government was perfectly
warranted in making it, was to extend to the special justices
in all the West India Islands?
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER was under-
stood to say that the Governors were authorised, in all cases
where they should deem it necessary to do so, to make the
additional allowance in all the islands.
The vote was then agreed to.
The sum of 1,6661. was then voted for defraying the sala-
ries of eight agents for emigration, stationed at eight of the
ports of the United Kingdom, for the year ending March
31, 1836.
On the sum of 9,6001. being proposed to be granted is aid
of the expenses of the'Civil Establishment of Newfoundland,
for the year ending 31st March, 1836,
EWA R I' put a question to the Chancellor of the Ex-
chequer respecting the appointment of Captain Prescott to
the Governorship of that colony : and was understood to ex-
press his apprehension that it was owing to certain aristocratic
influence enjoyed by that gentleman.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER assured his
Hon. Friend that the appointment of Captain Prescott was
not owing to any aristocratic connection whatever. The Go-
vernment at home had requested the Government of New-
foundland to furnish the names of three of the most meritorious
officers in the colony, whom they thought competent to fill the
appointment of Governor. This was done, and Captain Pres-
cott was selected out of those three, in consequence of his own
well-known merits alone.
The vote was then agreed to.
NOVA SCOTIA.

The sum of 6,6851.C15; 6d.;;;tiretr-Proposed to be granted
in aid of the expences of the Civil Government of the colony
of Nova Scotia.
Mr. E WART complained of this and of the preceding vote.
He had hoped that they would not have been again brought
forward. It appeared to be giving countenance to the lavish
expenditure of the Tories ; he was, however, disposed to ascribe
the appearance of thevotes on this occasion to the circumstance
of the short interval occurring between the accession to office
of the present Government and the bringing forward of the

Estimates.
Sir THOMAS FREMANTLE observed, that the demand
for these votes would have been made, whether a Tory or a
'Whig Government had existed. No votes had ever under-
gone more consideration than this and the preceding vote for
Newfoundland. lie was extremely sorry that it had been felt
necessary to produce these votes again : no man resisted more
strongly than he did the re-appearance of them. It was anti-
cipated. that both the votes would-be hereafter done away with,
sand that Nova Scotia and Newfoundland would be able to
maintain their own establishments, with the exception of those
of the Governors.
After some further conversation, which was wholly inaudible
in the Reporters' gallery, the vote was agreed to.
COMMISSIONERS OF EDUCATION. —IRELAND.
Mr. 7. BARING then moved that the sam of 35,000/.
be granted for the Advancement of Education in Ireland,
for the year ending 31st March, 1836.
Mr. PLUMPTRE objected to the. vote, and proceeded to
adeeess the Committee for some time, but in a tone perfectly
inaudible to the reporters ; but it will be seen from the sub-
sequent aeetion of the debate, that the Hon. Gentleman was
speaking ne eerms of censure of the proceedings of the Com-
missioners of Eeneetion in Ireland.
Lord MORPETI4.-1 hope the Hon. Gentleman will not
think it discourteous on Iny part if I defer the defence of the
Irish Board of Education uetil he has brought forward his
proofs of the charges he has preferred against them.—( Hear.)
Mr. O'CONNELL—Did I understand the Hon. Gentle-
ma,e to say that Protestant children were compelled to attend
Roman Catholic schools?
Mr. PLUMI'TRE again addressed the Committee, but
still in a eery indistinct tone of voice. We understood hiui
to say that he had seen a paper in which questions and an-
swers were given respecting the manner in which the schools
under the control of the Board of Education were conducted ;
and that from these it appeared that the Roman Catholic
children, who were punctual in their atteudance at the school,
so as to hear mass (as we underetocd), were rewarded with a
Roman Catholic prayer-book; and that the reward given to
Protestant children for their punctual aiaendanoe to hear
mass (us we also undorstood) was a suit of clothes. He had
seen this statement, and he believed it to be correct ; and
therefore he was op used to this grant.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, that
the principle on which the Irish Beard of Education acted,
was to give to children of all persuasions an equal advantage
in the schools that had betas eetablishcd, reserving to every one
not only freedom of conscience, but the fullest opportunity of
obtaining religious instruction accordir"s to his own erred. lie
thought this was a principle that would be approved of by the
British public. But he would take the liberty of suggesting
to the lion. Gentleman, that if he condemned this system on
account of some vague and unsubstantiated statement which he
might 'lappets to have seen in some paper, without affording
Oise who upheld the system the means of contradiction, then
that there could be no syetere—whetlicr Catholic or Protes-
tant—whether of the Orange or the Green party--that could
stand the test of attacks of that kind. Those who adopted and
administered the system now pursued had no disingenuous ob-
ject whatsoever. It never was intended by these votes to esta-
blish an exclusive system of instruction: On the contrary, it
was always avowed that the schools were to be common to all—
both Catholic and Protestant. If the Hon. Gentlenian, in-
stead of mis-stating the actions of the Commissioners from
unauthenticated documents, most _likely coming Irons persons
not very impartial in their decisionc, would furnish the
Government or the House with time, place, circumstance,
and proof, an inquiry should be immediately instituted,
and if any abuse should be found to exist it -should be con-
rected.—(Cheers.) But if, instead of abuse,' these attacks
against an establishment which ought to be considered placed
on neutral ground, but which had, unhappily, been made the
arena of the most bitter party contest that was ever known—if,
he woitel repeat, these attacks should, as in all probability
they would, be proved to be gross calumnies, then the detec-
tion of their falsehood could not, be was sure, fail to be most
gratifying to the Hon. Gentleman himself, as it unquestionably
would be to him. As a proof that these schools were based
on a system calculated to give instruction free from all secta-
rian prejudices and distinctions, they had the satisfaction to
know that the system hid been approved of, and was about to
have been carried on by the late Government, to whom the
present Government were opposed. The Right Hon. Gen-
tleman at the head of the late Government had never made
any attacks upon that system ; but it was, nevertheless, a very
remarkable circumstanceelhat the mass of individuals most in-
timately connected with that Right Hon. Gentleman, and
particularly those residing in Ireland, were the very persons
who made themselves most active in their hostility to it.
Sir ROBERT INGLIS was not aware that the question
was to be brought forward on the present occasion. He had,
howeeer, objected to the principle before, and he saw no rea-
son why he should not repeat the objection now.
Colonel SIBTHORP had no idea whatever—( Cheers)—
that any thing was coming on. ;le looked with the greatest
suspicion to every thing that was done oalhe opposite side of
the House.
Dr. BOWRING, although not an Irish Member, se::: with
great pleasure the sum of 35,0001. devoted to advancing edu-
cation in Ireland on liberal and Christian principles.
Mr. RUTHV EN supported the grant.
Mr. O'CONNELL had the honour of knowing one of the
Protestant Commissioners—a gentleman at the Bar, Mr.
Holmes—well, and be was quite sure that if anything wrong
were brought before him, he would resign his situation rather
than tolerate it in the slightest degree. The lion. Gentleman
had made two statements which were doubtlessly perfectly
true ; the one was that he had seen a certain paper) the other
that he believed it to be true. Further than this, however, he
did not go. He had not enlightened the House by telling
them what the nature of the paper was, from whom he got it,
or who the producers of it were; or whether it was part of