The Sun.
London, England, 1832-07-03 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

HOUSE OF COMMONS, JuLr 4.
(Concluded from our Paper of yesterday.)
A message from the Lords announced that their Lord-
ahipm had agreed to certain Bile,among which ',ere the
Ossett-Soke Bill, and the Beer Act Ametritnent Bill.
ORDNANCE ESTIMATES.

The Hous• having resolved itself into a Committee of
Supply,

Mr: KENNEDY brought forward the ordnance esti-
mates, in which he was happy to announce that con-
siderable reductions had been eff:cted. The reductions
would be much less apparent on this occasion, than they
would be next year, owing to the arrears which had to la:
cleared off before his new system of accounts could come
into lull operation. But when those arrears a' ould have
been cleared off and the new system was in free operation,
not only would there be a diminution of the number of
clerks, but the business would he much more efficiently
managed than hitherto. In the Irish department also,
there would be an equal reduction, to one-half the clerks
employed, with increased efficiency. The Hon. Gentleman
moved, that 77,6391. be granted for the salaries of the supe-
rior officers in the Ordnance-office, in Pall. mall, and Dublin.
Mr. HUME, placing all but implicit confidence in the
economical intentions of Ministers, and making due allow-
ance for their being fettered in carrying those intentions
into effect, by the great pressure of the important business
in which they have been engaged since their accession to
office,—had not opposed any of the estimates for the naval
and military service which had been suhmitted to them,
and therefore would not offer any opposition to the pre-
sent. He confidently trusted that the promised retrench.
rnents in all branches of the public service would be
effected ; at all events, he relied on the eneraies and in-
tegrity of a reformed Parliament for insuring those retrench/
talents and every other public benefit.

Sir H. HAR DINGh denied that there existed any ar-
rears in the Ordnance-office on the accession of the pre-
sent Ministry. lie called upo❑ the 11 ,n. Gentleman to
specify the abuses which the present Ordnance Officers
vaunted themselves on remedying.
Mr. HUME thought that the numher of clerks em-
ployed in the store department of the Ordnance might be
considerably reduced.

Mr. HUNT did not desire merely a few petty clerks to
b struck off. What lie wanted to see way, the number
of Gen-rals and Colonels to be reduced.
The resolution was then agreed to, as wits also the next
vote, 9,1991., to defray the expens.•s of the salaries of the
civil officers of the Ordnance, Woolwich.
On the question being put, that 15,139/. be voted to
defray the expense of the salaries of the civil establishment
of Officers of the Ordnance at lit.tions at home,
Mr. HUME saw no reason why the estolishments at
Enfield and Waltham Abh.•y should be kept up He un-
derstood from the Hon. Alderman, the Member for Lon-
don (Mr. Wood), that the Olen on the Enfield establish-
ment were employed in the manufacture of knives and forks.
Mr. KENNEDY said, that the H in. Me•nher was
misinformed as to the nature of the employment in which
the men an the Enfold establishment were eties....ed. The
'act was that that establishment caused a siving to the
public, by working up old materials, which would other-
wise be of no use.

Sir H. HARGDINGE said that the Hon. Representa-
tive for the city of London had, with true ulfienu
taste, imagined that the Enfield r stablidunent was oc-
copied in the manufacture of knives and fork.. but he could
state to the House that it was of the greatest importance
that that establishment should be kept up. It wa.
manufactory of arms, and the power whi& that e-tabli.l3-
ment, therefore, poss,ssed of .upplyitr the Government
with arm., operated as a cheek upon the contractors, and
c,tnsequeutly tend dto reduce their pricer. wouid be
equally inexpedient to abolish the establishment at Walt-
ham Abbi; and for this he had the authority of the
Finance Committee.

Mr. Alderman WOOD was ready to prove that the
Enfield establishment had for some time past been engaged
in the manufacture of knives and forks. He thought the
stablishment worse than uselesQ, for he believed that arms
could be purchased by contract 200 per cen7. below the
price at which they were manuficto,ed at Enfield.
Mr. W. MABERLY thought it would be inexpedient
to do away with these establishments, because they could
not be di•posed of except a considerable reduction from the
.-ost of their erection.

Mr. HUNT objected to the maintenance of useless esta-
lisliments, on the sole ground that if they were sold they
would not fetch so high a price as they originally cost.
Mr. HUME hoped that the gunpowder magaine in
Hyde park, for which 3991. were voted, would shortly be
removed. It was a nuisance as it now stood, and was far
from being in a safe situation.

The resolutiona were then agreed to.
The following votes were pawed without ohsery ttion
27,3751., for salaries at out-stations in Ireland, and foreign
.rations; 37,735/., for salaries of barrack-master",
it home, abroad, and in Ireland ; 5,0881 , for ulastvr gun-
ners; 81,5351., for royal engineers, and supp-rs and
niners; 278,264./., for regina,nts of artillery; 36 1051.,
)1- horse artillery, &e.; 1,2261., for &id ,rain; 9,894/ , for
n. diral establi4iment ; 800/., for the acadernic..l osiablish-
ment 34,029/., charge for the sup,' intendence of Ordnance
works and rep sirs, in Great Britain, Ireland, and the col.
irs ; 2,19,7801., for Ordnance works and repairs, so,
'orekeepers' departments, in Great Britain, Ireland, and
t e colonies; and 27,3891., charAe for the superintendence
the builiiniz and repair of barracks, iu Great Britain,
Ireland, and the colonial.

On the que•tion beiog put that 149,130/. he vo ed to
',fray the expense of barrack buildingind repairs :n Or—it
3ritain, Ireland, and the colornes.
Mr. B. WATSON would take that opportunit: of
eking some explanation from Government ,
r ct
the erection of fresh barrack+ to St. .141111-11., Park. It
as his opinion that no new blratits weir r.q,,red at tto
esent moment; hut, it they were, Pe c ueht .•: t.
situation c.tul i not have bee i C./,.),,t) riga
k. It WAS extremely desirside that ,Otift'