The Sun.
London, England, 1835-03-24 00:00:00

O.I.OUGHLEN thouht the 1.1:.,t;e ouch
not to recetwe the petition.
After a few trords front Mr. Preshfiell, Mr. Eti:lgeman,
Colonel-Evan3, Mr. C. Wynn, Mr. O'Connell, Mr. ANtarbur-
ton, PC('l, cad Mr. Spring Rice,
Sir IL PEEL thought that it would depen.l entirely on
the fact of those circumstances being able to be scit4.taiitiattd.
Mr. C. WYNN said that if they could be substarkiated, an
inquiry should be mada at .the Bar of the floa:4i-!.
After a f,:w words front Mr. WYNN, Mr. O'CoNN.aLL, and
Mr. HARDY, the witr.ess having withdrawn, tb? motio.t was
put and agreed to.

PENSION LIST.
Mr. CLAY begged to learn frem the Hon. and Learned
:ember for Southwark (Mr. D. W. Harvey) whether he !nid
i:ny intention of postponing his motion, fixed for the 7th May,
for a consideration into the pension list, when he had also
given notite of moving a call of the• Heme. He ( Mr. Clay)•
had a notice of metion for the same day for an inquiry into the'
existing state of the cern laws.

Mr. D. \; HARVEY said that the Hon. Member had
stated two facts that mere trce, namely, that he had sech
a motion 1:_:A for that day, and that he intended to move a c4l
of the Howe on the. o.ea.:icn; and he sllculd not postpone Lis
motion.

BREACH OF PRIVILEGE,.
Mr. ROEBUCK begged to call attention to a breach of
privilege committed by the Right Hon. Baronet opposite, the
Chancellor of the Et.hequer.—( Hear.) They were sent to
that House to speak their minds upon public co duct and pub-
lic men, and in the fulfilment of that duty the flori6urable
Member for Middlesex had spoken in a manner of a certain
course of conduct pursued by the Right Hon. Baronet, upon
which the Right Hon. Baronet had adopted a proceeding that
he (Mr. Roebuck) thonoht equally unfitCng either as a Minis-
ter of the Crown er a Member of that House. If such cwt_
duct were to he permitted, and by threats and intimidations
Hon. Gentlemen were to lie ireluced to depart from chat they
considered a proper line of conduct, there Would at once be an
cud to all freedom of debate. lied he (Mr. Roebuck) been
called upon to express his disapprebath n of the conduct pur-
sued by a Minister of the Crown in his place on the Opposition
side of that house, he should have expressed it in a similar
manner to the Hon. Member for Middlesex. They 7vere seat
there by the people to speak their mind, which, it appeared, if
they dared to do now-a-days, they were to have swords and pia-
tpls threatening their threats. Once before the Right Hon.
Baronet had tried to intimidate an Han. and Learned Mem-
ber (Dr. Luehington), who was an Ecclesiastical Comrels-
sioner. Were such kind of proeeedings to be tolerated, bar-
ing advanced as we had to so high a stage of civilization, and
was the truth of a question to be decided upon by shooting?
It might be said that the Right Honourab!e Baronet had no
such was intent as had been intimated, but according to
the usages of life it was well known that a communication
such as that made by the Right Hon. Baronet could meet
with but one interpretation. The appearance he put on was
extremely warlike, and the Hon. Member for Middlesex, after
receiving - hie. communication, Would, according to the bar-
barous opinion entertained upon this subject, have been bound.
to call him out ; and, considering the state of civilization—
' considering the state of public morality, and that the conduct
of the Members of that House ought to be something in the
public eye—he did think that such conduct was highly repre-
hensible. And, as a Representative of the people, sent there
to speak his mind, he did call—" I do, Sir," said the Hon.
Member, " call upon you to defend me and protect me.—
(Cheers and laughter.) Ido call upon you, Sir, to shield
mo, for I do choose to express my opinions, and I do not
choose to be shot at."--(Loud laughter.) If it should.
so happen that lie should use words that were Lot Parliamen-
tary that House was the place to canvass the propriety of such
expressions, and an appeal to the Speaker, and not an appeal
to pistols, the proper mode of arriving at a correct understand-
ing. From the high station occupied by the Right Hon. Ba-
ronet he thought that such was the course that ought to have
beer adopted ; and that he who was the great champion of the
Church ought to have been the last man to have had recourse
to that savage and barbarous code of honoitr, and of attempt-
ing to prove himself _honourable by an appeal to arms. The
Hon. Gentleman then, amidst much laughter, said that he
should move that the Chancellor of the Exchequer had been
guilty of a breach of privilege.
On being informed by the SPEAKER that such a proceed-
ing would be irregular,
Mr. ROEBUCK would then move that the correspondence
be read by the Clerk of the House.
[The Clerk of the House then read the corresponience,,
which was the same as appeared in The Sun of Saturday,
bearing the signatures of Mr. Hume and Sir Robert Peel.] .
Mr. S. RICE did not think that was a proper occasion for
the interference of the House. He altogether dissented from
the doctrines laid down by the Hon. Member, but still thought
that they had no reference to the question, and had no busi-
ness wizh it.—(Hear, hear.) He should never accord with
any man who attempted to raise up a principle that was to
defy all correction. That threats of any kind should not be
indulged in he would admit, but he thought that the present
discussion tended very much to reduce that House from what
it always had been, and he hoped always would be, an assem-
bly of Eaglish Gentlemen, animated by the nicest feelings of
personal honour.
.Sir ROBERT PEEL, much to the insult of his own feel-
ings, would trouble the House only with one word. His only
motive in addressing the Hon. Member for Middlesex was that
he (Sir Robert Peel) had taken offence, not intended he be-
lieved to be given, and lie wrote for the purpose of obtaining
an explanation, arid having removed the unpleasant impression
made oa his mind. A ease of a similar kind occurred only on
the same evening. An Hon. Gentleman opposite, the Mem-
ber for Cork (Mr. F. O'Connor), had misunderstood some
expressions that had fallen from him which, upon being men-
tioned to him, he felt great pleasure in explaining.. He was
convinced that the impression created upon his mind from what
fell from the. Member fo.- Middlesex was entirely erroneous,
and that he said nothing intentioaally calculated to wound his
feelings. He was s-:rry t' at this should have happened. He
had now for twenty years been a Member of that liaise, and
had been much engaged in angry party altercation, ai.d he bad
no doubt at times spoken as warmly as ally one, and was per-
haps as much disposed to take offence as any Member of that
House ; but he would confidently appeal to any one present
that if they used language to any one not on their conduct as
Members of the Government, but merely as applied to them as
men, whether they would not be glad at having the opportu-
nity afforded them of making a proper explanation ? This was
just as it was nigh the Member for Middlesex. He had never
meant to give hint offence, and that was when made.knowa
sufficient. The Hon. Member and he had come to the under-
standing of remaining on the same footing of political hostility
as ever, but which was not to interrupt their intercourse in ally
other respect. The matter was personal to him, and he should
retire and leave the subject to the disposal of the House.
Lord J. RUSSELL said that nothing could be more ho-
nourable than the conduct of the Right Hon. Baronet. •He
thought that if motions of this kind were made on similar oc-
casions to the present, they would not tend to raise the charac-
ter of that House. The Noble Lord bore testimony to the
caution exercised on all occasions by the Right Hon. Baronet,
and alluded to the part lie took on the occasion of the House
interposing its authority last Session in the case of Lord Al-
therp and Mr. Shiel. lie trusted the House would not pro..
ceed further in the matter.
Mr. T. ATTWO OD said that the Right Hon. Baronet he
considered had made himself subject to an Act that he himself,
about ten years ago, was mainly instrumental passing
through the Legislature. He alluded to what what was com-
monly called the Ellenborough Black Act. By that Act to
pull a trigger against a gentlenvAn with intent to do him
grievous bodily harm was capitol felony without benefit of
clergy ; and he thought that the Right Hon. Baronet had
rendered himself amenalile to that Act, and therefore was guilty
of capital felony.—( Cries of Question, question.) He well
recollected too that by that Act it was also made capital felony
to wound a man with any blunt instrument.—(The Hon. Gen-
tleman sat down amid loud cries of Question.)
Sir R. PE EL thought that the Hon. Gentleman had esta-
blished a case strongly against himself, for he had been guilty
of wounding with a blunt- instrument."—(Great laughter.)
Mr. ROEBUCK feeling lie had done his duty in bringing
the question before the House, would, with the permission of
tie House, withdraw his motion. Motion withdrawn accord-
.
tag y.

IRISII TITHE BILL.
On bringing up the report on the Irish Tithe Bill,
,Lord J. It US SELL had no disposition to offer any impe-
diment at this stage of the measure, but it must not be inter-
preted into a full assent to the principle laid down in those
resolutions. He hoped that when the subject was brought
regularly before the House it would not be postponed until a
late hour. On Monday he should bring the whole question of
appropriation before the House, when he should enforce his
notice of a call of the House, and he trusted the Right Hon.
Baronet would not object to allowing the discussion on that
day to take precedence of the Oder of the day.
Sir R. PEEL said that as the Noble Loed had given no-
tice early in the Session of Ins intention, he would not insist on
his right, an extreme exercise of right he would admit it to be,
of moving the Order of the Day. But although he should
not offer any obstacle, he did not approve of the course as a
precedent. But if on the understanding that on the resolu-
tions being passed the Bill should be allowed to proceed, he
should not consider. himself committed by that preliminary pro-
ceeding from taking any advantage that future opportunity
should offer. The law as it at present stood, it must be re-
membered, was that the Clergy were to pay back the instal-
ments. It would be vet.) inconvenient for the Government to
direct a cessation of the levy on the Clergyman for the reco-
very of the million, while it would be equally inconvenient for
the Clergy to repay it. He, therefore, hoped the House would
not interpose any obstacles in the way of the resolution. If
the House would permit th resolution to pass, so that a ground,
work might be made fcr the Bill, he would undertake not to
pass it beyond any stage which should be thought proper, ua.
til the question of appropriation should be decided.
Lord J. RUSSELL had no objection to suffer the Right
Hon. Baronet to bring in the Bill on the assurance Which he
had given the House ; neither did he think the House was dis-
posed to offer him any obstruction. He should wish how-
ever, that the Right Hon. Gentleman would also assure the
House of its introduction at an earlier hour than twelve or
one o'clock.

Sir IL PEEL was understood to give the assuranc4 re-
quired.

The report wrs then brought up and read.
On the c,uestion that the resolution do pass beimm put from
the Chair.
Mr. HUME was anxious to see the Bill of t.'ne Right Hon.
Baronet for the co;innutntion and settlemerl of tithes in Ire-
land, in order to see if any thing would hp done by it for that
unfortu.late country. It was with that view that he should
support the resolution for the purpose of enabling the Right,
Hon. Baronet to bring in his Bill. There was, however,
matter in the measure which he should most strongly object
to ; for instance, that empowering the purchase of land out of