The Sun.
London, England, 1835-08-21 00:00:00

MESSAGE FROM THE COMMONS.

Mr. F. BARING brought up the Abolition of Imprison-
ment for Debt ( Scotland) Bill from the House of Commons ;
also the Clerk of the Crown Bill • Constabulary Force Bill,
(Ireland) ; also the Regulation of Duties on Wood ; also the
Bill for Regulating the Sheriffs' Accounts ; also the
Charity Commissioners' Bill; also, the Appointment of Con-
stables in Ireland Bill ; also the Insolvent Debtors' Court
Superannuation Bill - also the Arrestment of Wages ( Scot-
land) Bill; and the Certiorari Bill.

Captain PECHELL and others brought up the Tithes on Tur-
nips Bill, and the Tithes Recovery Bill.
Earl SHAFTESBURY presented a petition from certain
farmers and graziers, against the Islington Market Bill.
On the motion of Lord MINTO, the Scotch Savings Bank
Regulation Bill was read a second time.
Lord BROUGHAM said he had a petition signed by
1,250 persons who had deposited money in savings' banks,
against it, and intimated that he should oppose it.
Lord FARNHAM hoped the Noble Lord would not press
the Bill at this late period of the session.
Lord RODEN presented several petitions from Ireland,
against the Irish Church Bill.
Lord FARNHAM presented a great number of petitions
from various parts of Ireland, against the Irish Tithe Bill.
The Archbishop of T UAM presented several petitions from
Dublin and other places to the same effect.
The Earl of SHAFTESBURY presented a similar peti-
tion from the Archdeaconry of the county of Cork, to the
same effect.

Lord 13ROUGI-I A M presented a petition from Hastings,
in fa‘•-uur of the Corporation Reform Bill. He said the other
night, in reference to a petition from this place against the Bill
presented by the Duke of Wellington, that ho was afraid it would
turn out like Dr. Mariinus Scriblerus's shield, on being
scoured, to be nothing but an old candlestick; and so it ap-
peared,for thispetition was agreed to at a public meeting of several
thousands, signed in a very short time, while the other was got
up at a hole and corner meeting, and took several days to get
a few names to it. He should take that opportunity of adding
that he had received a statement respecting a borough in a
neighbouring county, which showed how little a property qua-
lification was required in the governing body under the present
system, which Noble Lords opposite considered so perfect. He
should not name the borough ; but he found that in the bo-
rough -, the mayor had assigned his property for the benefit
of his creditors, and was made mayor before these creditors
were paid ; that Richard -, the senior alderman, was an
uncertificated bankrupt; that George -, the next alder-
man, was in the same situation; that Charles the third
alderman was in insolvent circumstances ; that there were
three other aldermen who were non-resident ; and that the
two remaining aldermen consisted of the postmaster, and of an
individual of whom nothing was said. From this statement it
appeared that three out of the four senior aldermen had been
bankrupts or were in insolvent circumstances. He trusted
that their Lordships would consider this pretty strong evidence
calling on them to reconsider the amendment they had adopted.
The Bishop of EXETER presented several petitions in
support of the Church.
POLLS AT ELECTIONS.

The Earl of RADNOR moved the third reading of the
Limitation of Polls Bill.

The Marquis of SALISBURY opposed the clause for
compelling electors to take the oaths of supremacy and alle-
giance, and moved that it be struck out. The bill also pro-
vided, that when riot or open violence occurred at any election,
the returning officer should have the power to adjourn the
court. He did not think that that went far enough. He
should therefore propose to add to the words " riot or open
violence," the following—" or any obstruction whatever." He
should also propose to divide the booths, so that no greater
number than 200 electors should poll at any one booth.
Lord RADNOR suggested that there should be no limita-
tion of the number of voters to be polled at each booth.
The Marquis of LONDONDERRY said, that if the
amendment of his Noble Friend was carried, as to the intro-
duction of the words " obstruction whatsover," it would be
in the power of any candidate whatever to gain time, and
delay the election by creating some " obstruction" to the
polling. The words were far too general.
The Earl of FALMOUTH objected to the clause which
gave the same number of hours' polling for winter and sum-
mer. It might be well enough to close the poll in winter at
four o'clock ; but he proposed, that from the Ist of April to
the Ist of October, the poll might be kept opensto six o'clock.
The Earl of RADNOR said, that these were the hours
fixed by the Reform Act ; and surely if there was sufficient
time in winter to take the poll before four o'clock, there must
be sufficient time in summer.
The Duke of RIC HMO N D thought it most unreasonable
to call upon a man to take oaths at the moment of an election,
when the sanctity of the test might be liable to be sacrificed to
tao political purposes of a candidate. These oaths were never
administered, excepting for the purpose of giving some politi-
cal z.dvantict:e to zher the one candidate or the other.
The Earl of WICKLOW had heard no arguments which
could induce him to m,,ke so great a ~;hangs rs the ab,lition
of the oati's would make.

The Earl of RIPON also spoke against the use of unneces-
sary oaths like those proposed. A Bill for the abolition of
unnecessary oat had been already passed by the House,

and ought not to ;ic contra\ cned by a:ly future
Lord BRO CrG IJ A said that, strictly speaking, no amend-
mem, could now be propc,ed until the Bill ho read a third time.
The Bill wet then read a third time.
After a few words from the Earl of L: ,!Eatcx, and "mid
FARNHAM, the second amendment was negatived without a
division.
The House then divided on the ,:LaSe respecting the oaths
of allegiance and supremacy, when There appeared,
Present. Proxies.
Contents
Not Contents

Majority for the clause... 22
Clauses 8 and 9 were omitted.
The other clauses, after some amendments, were agreed to,
and the Bill passed.
LONDON AND BRISTOL RAILWAY.

Lord EL LE NBOROUG H presented a petition from the
city of Bristol on the subject of the projected railway between
London and that city. The petiticn was signed in three days
by 10,440 persons, comprising a vast majority of the wealth
and commercial influence of Bristol, and to every name was
attached the residence and occupation of the individual. He
was convinced that it would be a serious detriment, not only
to Bristol, but the country in general, if there were not a
railroad established between London and that great commer-
cial city, and he hoped that a Bill would be passed in this
session to afford that advantage, particularly as no less than
70,0001. had been expended
,in this session and the last to in-
duce Parliament to confer that benefit on the public.
The Earl of CARNARVON said that he did not think
that any public advantage would accrue from the adoption
of the projected line, the expense of which would not be less
than 2,500,0001., while the Bazing and Bath line would not
cost more than one-half.

The Marquis of LANSDOWNE said that the petitioners
must, of course, be better judges of what suited their own in-
terest in this matter than any other persons could be, and
their recommendation of the line of road which was pointed
out ought to have some weight, as well for the purpose of de-
ciding upon the subject, as for that of ending the enormous
expenses which had been incurred in the preliminary steps
during two Sessions.
The Duke of BU CCL E UCH obseried that, as the Com-
mittee had not yet decided upon the matter, it was not proper
that any attempts to induce their Lordships to prejudge the
case should be countenanced.

Lord WHARNCLIFFE said the Committee (of which he
was Chairman) had sat on this Bill between 50 and 60 days.
This petition certainly was a proof that a great portion of the
respectable inhabitants of Bristol were in favour of the Bill.
The petition being read,
Lord ELLENBOROUGH moved that it be referred to
the Committee up Stairs.
OATHS ABOLITION BILL.

On the motion of the Duke of RICHMOND this Bill was
read a third time and passed.

IRISH CHURCH BILL.

The Archbishop of CANTERBURY said that their Lord-
ships having been so long detained from the Order of the Day,
must be impatient at any further delay ; but he had several
most important petitions to present, to which he wished to call
their Lordships' attention. The first was from an agricultural
parish in the diocese of Canterbury against the Irish Church
Bill. The next was from the Bishop and Clergy of the dio-
cese of Cork and Ross, also against the Bill. Another was
from the Bishop and clergy of the diocese of Down and Connor
to the like effect ; and the last which he had to present was
from the three archbishops of the Protestant Church in Ire-
land, and twelve Irish Bishops, making fifteen out of the se-
venteen prelates of the Established Church in that country.
These petitioners stated their opinions with no intemperate
zeal, but they made use of language which befitted Christian
prelates who felt interested in the welfare of that Church, the
charge of c%hich was by Divine Providence committed to them.
They implored their Lordships to protect that Church. The
great body of the Irish clergy also united in approving of the
opinions expressed in the petition.
Similar petitions were presented by the Duke of Buccleucb,
Lord Wharncliffe, Lord Glengall, the Duke of Newcastle,
Lord Carbery, and Lord Bexley, from Burton in Somerset-
shire, a parish in the East Riding of York, Kingston-upon-
Hull, the archdeaconry of Bedford, and various other places.
Viscount MELBOURNE had been ordered by the King
to signify his Majesty's assent to this Bill, and for the purpose
of its passing into a law his Majesty had been pleased to place
at their Lordships' disposal his Majesty's interest in the bene-
fices of the Church in Ireland.
The Order of the Day was then read for the second reading
of the Irish Church Bill.

Lord MELBOURNE again rose, and said that it was now
his duty to attempt to induce their Lordships to make another
effort for the purpose of settling that question which had given
rise to so much trouble, and produced so much vexation and
evil in Ireland. As far as the question of tithes was concerned
it had produced in Ireland an utter disregard and contempt of
the law, which had been pregnant with the most unfortunate
consequences. He would again say, that he called upon their
Lordships to make another effort, in the language of the peti-
tion which had just been read, signed by so many qf the