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London, England, 1832-01-10 00:00:00

FRENCH PA.PERS.

CHAMBER of DEP If TIES—SITTING OP' JAIN. 6.
At the opening of the sitting M. Mauguin stated, that
he much regretted having been prevented by indisposition
from attending the preceding sitting, but could not allow
the present opportunity to pass without protesting against
the manner in which a Minister of the Crown bad made
use of mere formality at the bottom of an official docu-
ment, as affording a serious argument in support of his
system. The Hon. Deputy added, that neither he nor
any other Member of the Municipal Committees had the
slightest recollection of having observed the words in
question when they signed the document, and therefore
protested against those words being, considered as any
thing more than a matter of form.
11. Bugeaud wished to speak on some point which, he
said, was personal to the majority of the Chamber; but
the Chamber, apparently worn out with these repeated
personal discussions, refused to hear him, and passed to
the order of the day, which was the continuation of the
discussion on the Bill for regulating the Civil List.
M. de Schonen (the Reporter) summed up the general
discussion. He recapitulated the labours of the Com-
mittee, in seeking for and examining every document
which appeared necessary to elucidate the question on
which it had to decide, and after combatting the arguments
of the several orators who bad opposed the Bill as amended
by the Committee, repeated his conviction of its expe-
diency, and called on the Chamber to adopt it.
The discussion of the articles was then proceeded with.
Article 1, after a short and perfectly uninteresting
discussion on the form of wording, was adopted in the
following terms
The Civil List to be enjoyed by the King during his reign,
shall, in conformity with Article 19 of the Charter, be com-
posed of a real and personal dotation, and of a fixed annual sum."
The 2d Article, as proposed by Government, was in the
following terms:—
" The real dotation shall consist of the Louvre, the Tuile-
ries, with their dependencies, the Elysee Bourbon, the cha-
teaux , houses, buildings, manufactories, lands, meadows, farms,
woods, and forests, composing the domains of Versailles, Manly,
Saint Cloud, Meudon, Saint Germain-en-Laye, Rambouillet,
Compiegne, Fontainebleau, Strasburg, Bordeaux, Pau, and
others, described in the law of the lit of June, 1791 ; the Se-
natus Consultus of the 30th of January, 1810 ; the Ist of May,
1512; the 14th of April, 1813; by the laws of the Bth of No-
vember, 1814 ; the 15th of January, 1815 ; and the various
other laws relating to the acquisitions and exchanges of the
Royal estates."
The Committee had proposed merely to state in the
article, that the real dotation to the Crown should consist
of all the properties comprised in the various laws and
decrees pirticularly specified, and then to except from it in
a schedule the properties which it proposed should be
severed from the domains of the Crown, and given up to
the State. These excepted properties, comprising Baga-
telle, the Chateau of St. Germain, Bordeaux, and Stras-
burg, several edifices in Paris, St. Cloud, and Versailles,
and portions of wood at Rambouillet, Fontainebleau, and
Compiegne, were valued on the whole at 182,000,000 f.
M. Salverte proposed, as an amendment, that the second
article should consist of the three following paragraphs:—
I. The real dotations shall consist of the Chateau of the
Tuileries and its dependencies, the Hotel of the Garde Meuble,
the chateaux and domains of Fontainebleau, St. Cloud, and
Meudon, with the houses, buildings, lands, meadows, farms,
woods, and forests thereunto belonging.
2. The Palace of the Louvre and its dependencies shall re-
main the property of the State, together with the library, mu-
seums, pictures, statues, sculpture, and other monuments of the
Arts therein contained. The Louvre, as the Palace of the
Arts, shall he placed under the administration of the Minister
of the Interior.
3. All the other domains, which have been formerly com_
prised in the dotation to the Crown, as well as the personal
effects of every description which are to be found in or about the
same, shall remain the domains of the nation, and be used or
sold for the benefit of the State.
The ancient appanage of the Dukedom of Orleans,consti-
tuted in 1661, 1672, and 1692, together with the lesser
forest of Orleans, which originally formed part of it, shall
continue to form part of the domains of the nation, to
which it reverted on the Kirg's accession to the crown.
M. Mauguin supported the amendment of M. Salverte,
and urged the necessity of relieving the civil list from the
charge of domains which it was admitted now cost more
to keep them up than they produced, but which if sold for
the benefit of the State, and converted in such part as might
be proper to agricultural purposes, would produce to the
nation not only a capital of from 120 to 150 millions, but
an annual revenue of seven or eight millions arising from
the increased taxes and duties, which would become pay-
able in consequence of their being brought into cultivation
and disposed of in parcels.
M. Dopiu, sine, combated the views of M. Mauguin,
and maintained, that even if the forests of St. Germain,
Fontainebleau, and others, were not to remain annexed to
the Crown domains, they ought not at any rate to be sold
or destroyed, since they were not only valuable as orna•
merits to the country. but, as timber, were highly im-
portant to the nation, since they supplied the foundations
of the naval power of the country.
M. de Schonen said, that he was far from wishing to
defend the administration of Woods and Forests under
Charles X., but he protested against any argument being
drawn from it to apply to the present administration,
which, he said, was on a totally different footing, and re-
gulated with a proper regard for economy and produc-
tiveness.
M. Montalivrt (Minister of Public Instruction) opposed
the amendment of M. Salverte, and contended that the
domains in question ought to remain attached to the
Crown. He referred to the Civil List of the King of Eng-
land, which, he said, after a short and becoming (con-
rrnable) discussion—(Laughter and murmurs from the
extremities), had been fixed by the House of Com-
mons at 13,528,000 francs—a larger amount than had
ever been asked for by Government. He then re-
minded the Chamber, that in England the Civil List sup-
plied the personal expences of the King, as every extra ex-
pense, even the repairs of a Royal Palace, were provided
for by separate grants ; whereas in France every thing
was charged upon the Civil List. The completion of the
Louvre alone would, he said, if proceeded with, cost
50,000,000 of francs. The King of England, he added,
also possessed other properties in Scotland, Ireland, and the
colonies, the particulars of which he (the Minister) had
not been able to obtain with precision, but which were es•
tirnated by the English in Paris, whom he had consulted,
at 10,000,000 of francs per annum.
M. Salverte maintained that none of the arguments ad-
duced had sufficient force to shake his conviction of the
necessity of his amendment.
M. Lameth opposed the amendment, arguing that fo-
rests such as those in question could only belong to a Sove-
reign, or some one of equal property, since no one else could
afford to buy them. In concluaion, he contended that it
was the interest of all the unfortunate individuals who
were relieved by the King's benevolence, that the domains
of the Crown should be preserved undiminished ; " for,"
added the Hon. Deputy, " during forty years I have known
the King in prosperity and adversity, and I can assure
you that he will never possess superfluities while there ex-
ists an individual in want of necessaries."—(Applause.)
A discussion then ensued on the mode of deliberation to
be adopted.
M. Odillon Barrot suggested that it would be both
most convenient and most in accordance with the prin-
ciple, that, by the deposition of the late King, all the
property of the Crown had, ipso facto, become merged
in the domains of the State, to vote separately each item
which it was proposed to grant to the present King as part
of his Civil List.

This suggestion was adopted, and the article, as origi-
nally proposed by Government, which contains the enu-
meration of the items to be granted, was taken as the basis
of the discussion.
The first item was the Louvre and its dependencies.
The second paragraph of M. Salverte's amendment,
which annexes the Louvre and the collections relating to
the fine arts to the domains of the State, was re-read by
the President.
Delaborde contended that the Civil List was alone
competent to afford proper protection to the arts. The
Hon. Deputy maintained that the public works constructed
under the direction of the Civil List had always been bet-
ter and more rapidly done than those which were under the
management of Government. He therefore opposed the
amendment.
M. Dubois supported it, and maintained that the Go-
vernment, being under the inspection and controul of the
Chamber, was more properly entitled to the direction of
works of national interest than the Civil List.
The Minister of Commerce contended that the King
was the proper person to protect the arts, and thereupon
opposed the amendment. He added that several collec-
tions of great value and interest had been lost to the na-
tion, owing to the Civil List not being voted, and the
Government not daring to take upon itself the responsi-
bility of purchasing them.
The amendment was rejected by a considerable majority.
The Louvre with its dependencies was then declared to
form part of the dotation of the Crown, as were also the
palaces of the Tuileries and the Elysee-Bourbon, and the
chateaux of Versailles, Marly, St. Cloud, and Meudon,
with their depenAncies.
M. Mauguinl4hed the domain of Versailles to be sepa-
rated from. the `ptitteau, but the proposition was rejected.
The doigainMySt. Germain was also granted to the
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Crown ; the question of the chateau was reserved for con-
sideration at another period of the discussion.
On the domain of Rambouillet being put to the vote,
the decision of the Chamber being doubtful in two epreuves,
the ballot was dernanded. The following was the result of
the scrutiny :
Against granting the domain to the Crown 165
In favour of it
Majority against the grant -8
Adjourned.