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I,—nc uwctr a mintT(r3TTerVite to tit* Crown,
on .thci old principles of the Feudal Constitution.
,It was necessary tO procure an Effeetive Force, and
it it could ?tor be done in the way Of hotinty,
stronger measures were. necessary. He wv3s adverse
to any delay of the Bill, the principle ti which
was then as fully understo:A as it couhl.be
months hence.

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isipieprsoelemd,saorntoe
would rend still'more •to disgust the 'officers.
.• -,7rd C lIA NC 41. LOR in support of the Mo.
IVO, that the .1;
;.s:4probation expressed by
:of any part.ictilar. provisions a the
wi4-?ather a' reason, for its going t a Corn.
inittee Arate'opp4tunity
.regularly offer for the di: mlsiort.of its principle,
With: respea to the maintenance of order in their
Lordships' proc:et'dinv., the House would be aware .
of its neceisity,-aniIII:-.1 it wa his duty, to the beit
of his judgment - to'- see that it stridly took place,
without reference to the situation or feelings of iti-
dividuals.---A necessity -for ating in such a manner,
he observed, lidd of late become more necessary
than ever. .

A short conversation here tonic place, chiefly re-
spetting points of Order, between the Earl of
CARNAKVON, the L:IRD CHANcELt,Ott,• Lords
. PHLHAM, `and r RED EgUAL E ; the latter
mentioned Peer adverted to the necessity of main.
taining due Order, and alluded to the,delicate
situa-
tion in which thosi were frequently •placed, whose
duty it was to enforce it. •

Lord CAIVOOR delivered his sentiments on 'the
subject at some length. -He declared his attachment
to the i ilitia, at a constitutional and effective
Force; he expatiated on the services it had pc rfoYtned„
and on the professional .merits end patriotism of its
officers., He ,seemed to disapprove of part of the
former condnet of Government respecting the Mili.
tia, and to express much anxiety relative to the
praetice of recruiting the Standinz, Army from the

Lard ELLFNBOROUGII made a' few observa-,
lions, chiefly respczting the question of Order, and
,ectnecl to advert to some.' points which had trans.
Aired in the •ceonvetsation above ailuded to. He
concluded by referring to the dal, Which was int.
posed on the Noble Lord on ilos'Woblsack, to in-
terfere when the Orders of irthic flOpie were tres_
passed upon.

The Earl. •of cARNARVON uwerved 'shortly re.
speding the qaestion of order, in• consequence nt
what_ had Callen from the; Noble and Learned Lord.
The EARp"•of CAR LMR said a few words on the
same head,

The LORD CHAIVCELLOR conceived it neces-
sary to make some further observation, on the same
point; and 'adverted• to, the distiktions which
existed between fair explanation, and a second
speech. ,
The Earl of CBRNARVON was observing upon
what had fallen from; the Noble Lord on the Wool-
I,ack, when . .

Lord,INBART 'rose to speak to Order: he re.
prehended the line of observation, into which the
Noble Earl was' going upon that ground, and put
it to the House if such could be suffered.

The quebtion being theft rather generally called
for,. the. arsme vas eestaiirly put frOrn the .I.7"cal-
sack, on which a division took place, when there
appeared fOr the immediate
Second reading of the Bill, 41
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Majority,

On our re-entering the House, -we found the
Rani of 0412ArilltrQN on his feet, warmly con.
tending against the bill. The iluestion whjeli fur.
nished the noble Earl for • thus delivering his
sentiments, appeared to be for its commitment.
Lordship' spoke at .some length, and
urged a variety of detailed observations• against
the measure, founded on those principles
.which
he had adverted to as abOve.--:--4-fe took oc-
casion to combat an idea of the 'Noble and
Lurned Lord's, namely, that because only some of
the Provisions of a Bill were objeaed to, At should
be suffered' tq go a •Commkttee ,suchi`a mode 'of
reasoning, he contended, .may,lif urged in behalf of
any measure, hoWever worthy of censpre)or dis.
approbation.
Lord CANDOR repeated a ' few of his former
observations, and tank occasion to put a queskion to
the Noble Secretary of State, whether it was proposed
again to recruit the Army from the Militia Regi.
ments.

Lord HonART, after shoed), alluding to the, na,.
ture of the question, said, as we could coned, that
he knew of no such intention.
The question,was then put, and the• Bill was or.
tiered to be committed, on Monday next, and their
Lordshiiis summoned on the occasion.
Lord Rot LE moved an Addr,e§s to HIS MAJESTY,
praying, that there be laid before the [Muse, a ref
turn of the number of Officers serving in the Militia,
&c. which was -immediately agreed to.
The House then, pursuant to the Order of the,
Day, resolved: itself into Zi Committee on the Clergy
Residence Bill, Lord WALSINGRAM in the Chair.
When that clause was come to,. which 1140 the
termination of the suspension to the Bth Uf July,

The &finis of St. AS 'OW rose, and delivered
his sentiments upon the suhj.ll, of which the Bill
before the Committee formed a part, at considerable
length. He repotted many of his obser4ations of
last night, adverted to the indiscriminate operation
of part of the Statute of Henry VIII, and described
the progress of the various Suspending Bills, which
were passed oithin 'the three last vats. He ex.
pressed his disall)resliarirm ok thuscret ,ueeth,,and gave
his opinion that if they were not resorted ri, that
stature alluded to, would ere :(10W be, properly
amended...—He Would go farther, he thought that if
the present Bill was assented to, they should hear
no mute niche amending Bill till next Spring, and so
on. On these •graunds, it was, he' should to .the
present instance propose to shorten the term of,thd
snipension.—With tesped to the Statute of HE
VIII. of which so much had been -said,' and
also on the effetts of the 'proeose4 plans for,

itt'should be
mitigated. He, was fully aware
of the pretent and future contingent situation of
Ciirates ; if residence ware fully enforced, many of
them, naturally would be ousted; but such a conse.
quenee coold byino means generally follow'. In il- •
lwitrat ion of this position, the Reverend Prelate en-
tered into rather a detailed view of the `situation of
,COrates in general, particularly those in. the coun,
try : He observed a resident Curate was, in many
instances, as great a Rara-Avis as a realent Clergy-
tnan ; this in a
,great 'degree proceeded from
many Curates undertaking. the.duty of different
parishes. The Reverend Prelate also adverted, and
with great efted, to the unwillingness which espe-
cially -
•rung Clergymen manifested to undertake the
duty okicountry parishes ; they preferred the duty
• of populous or market towns, and, above all, that of
the m4ropolis, where many conceiving themselves
of abilities and eloqiience, were fond, of exhi.
biting in the pulpits. Persons, of this description
generally employed Curates for the Country- duty,
who, in the'event of an enforcement of, residence,
would probably be ousted :—but at :the Same rime,
there were numerous instances,' where, in cases
of small livings, the incumbents held also Va-
luable curacies, of which; however, in the above
event, were they to •be ffeprived, they would
obviously be not left destitute ; and ~were one
description of cases set against the other,
those of real hardships -would be found not so
numerous 'as was generally imagined, Drawing
towards a conclusion, the Rev.. 'Prelate repeated Ilia
opinion, that were the Bill before the Committee
passed in its present shape, no more would be heard
of the general Amending Bill until the next SesSion,
&c. Under which c.onviaion, he WAN- move,
‘,( that instead of the Sthyal July, the r3th of May
he inserted."

The LORD CHANCELLOR observed, that the
proCeeding adverted to by the Rev'. Prelate, was a
Parliamentary acknowledgment ,that the Statute of
HENRY VIII. Wanted revision. With respect to
the question regularly before the Committee, he ob-
served, that there was no difference of opinion as to
the expediency of continuing the Suspension ; but as:
to the interval of rime, the Learned Prelate seemed,.
tog°. upon an idea, that there existed an intention
somewhere to bring forward a General Bill, which
might p►tss before a certain period. On this head,
he Wduld say, it were better :not to cramp-such an
intention, by too' 'bilked a period, which might
preventf,exertion from having its' full scope. For
his own part, in, this view of the case, be should
vo►e for the longer term, because it would naturally
atfora a better chance of the Bill alluded to being
brought forward; at the same time be seemed averse
to a !Luther suspension..

The Bishop of DU/W.l4lin delivering his senti.
meats took occasion to advert to the very great fit.
ness of the learned -and respectable Member of the
other Houw, who had undertaken the task of the
bill alluded to, to do ample- justice to the subjed.
But his' Lordship begged leave to question the Fro.
priety of seeming to call upon that Gentleman; when
his present indisposition was considered. He had
the highest poisible opinion of the diameter of that
Learned Gentlemen, and was perstiaded he would
come.forward as soon as circumstances would per_
mit. him. His Lordship observed, he would nOt then
follow the Reverend Prelate who opened the discus.
sion, through his. detailed observations, as prob 4.
bly another opportunity would present itself.
The LORD CHANCELLOR wished it to be
distinctly understood,` that he grounded his prefer.
ence to the longer term, only because it afforded a
better chance of something conclusive beifig done
in the interval. •

Lord ALI" ANLEY took occasion to obserVe,
that if th general Bill should be so far delayed this
Session, as not to be brought up.until the beginning
of ;July, he should hold it his duty to oppose it ;
and he perfenlY agreed in what Lad been so'ably
stated by a Noble Lord (ORENviLLE), towards the
end of the last Session, reopening the necessity of
having a full attendance, particularly -of the Re-
verend Bench, ,in the discussion of the subject in
question.

Iiord.AUCKLAND-delivered his sentiments 'on
•theqUestion at some length : he noticed the impro.
per,etfeet tif sneh'Bills Of Suspension, which in some
measure may be said to leave that 'part of the com..
,triunity without. Law. He argued in favour of a
general. Amending Bill, anti which,,among other
good effects,' would go to ameliorate 'the condition
of the poorer orders of the,Clergy. With resped.
to .shortening the term, the other.Htose, in the
view of its pecuniary eper4tion, would, on that ael.'
count, he induced to rejeo the Bill. Adverting to
the .circumstance of a general Amending Bill,. the
Noble Lord expressed his opinion that such a
measure may; very properly,
.originate in. that
House ; . and he allud.ed• ,to certain !regulations,
which in. such a Legislative. Provision, would
be. attended ostitit the Most salutary. efre4,ll. In
allusion to' what had been timid 'of the state of
the , attendance in that House,' particularly to_
wards the clotie of fa .Bession,. his Lordship made
some remarks on the nature .and propensities of
man, the almost irresistible attractions of rural
retirement or oceupations, at certain seasons or
the year,- with a view to palliate that '9=4.64)044'
and sometimes frequent accessi9n 'from Parlia.
mentary Attendance, at the seasons of, the year al-,
laded to..

'Lord ALI'ANLEY, in explanation, observed, ra.
ther jocosely; that * were the Noble Lord's. ideas
of'green fields' &c. setup as a plea for the non.at.
tendance of Legislators,, . there ought to be-a-sort
of lui tam proceediugs instituted on the bccasion.—
With respeft to' the Bill sb fieipiently alluded to, for
his part, he rather preferred.:its_originating in that
HouseViii,;:ittetein it would, most...probably, have a
fu4rittlif fOt
• •
CIiiiNCELLOR, after shortly no-
ticing what,had transpired 'on. the subje4t 'of non.
at teißtinC4,:ind ahsence from. town, observed, that
he saw no objeftion to the Bill originating in that
1-I,:use ; but in all probability, a Bill so originating,
would require a very full Second discussiont in cot.).
sequence of the alterations which would most likely
be made,iii it by the other. House ; and particularly
with resped to tilc,subjed of Curates, he observed,