The Sun.
London, England, 1835-03-10 00:00:00

TRADES' UNIONS.

Mr. FINN gave notice that on Monday the 16th March, he
should move that there be laid before the House copies of any
addresses which have been presented in the form of a presen-
tation to his Majesty on the part of the Political or Trades'
Unions, on the 14th of November, 1834; together with such
answers as have been made thereto. Also copies of the
address of the Birmingham Political Union in the month of
May, 1832, and the answer thereto.
ORANGE SOCIETIES.

The HONOURABLE MEMBER also gave notice, that upon the
same day (16th March) he should move that a Select Com-
mittee of the House be appointed to inquire into the nature,
character, extent, and tendency of the Orange Associations
and Societies, and that the report thereon be laid before this
House.

WEIGHTS AND MEASURES.
Mr. TOOKE begged leave to ask the Noble Member for
Devon (Lord Ebrington) whether it was his intention to ex-
tend the period within which the operation of the Act was to
take place ?
Lord EBRINGTON, in answer to the question of his Ho-
nourable and Learned Friend, begged leave to repeat what
he had mentioned on Friday last. In the Bill of which he had
given notice, the first object he had in view was to extend
the time for stamping prescribed by the late Act, to the Ist of
January, 1836. The second object he had in view, was to
exempt all those persons whose weights and measures had been
illegally stamped by an inspector under the late Act, from the
necessity of re-stamping, upon his removal to another place ;
and his third object, was to give the magistrates a summary
power of levying penalties under the Act. He should,
of course, introduce other provisions, in order to explain and
render more clear, and he hoped also less inconvenient, the
provisions of that Act, and it was his intention to refer it to a

committee up stairs car ilii pa:pc-a of any
dons, and of. introducing any amendments that !night
1)
culated to carry into effect the object of the Act,
establishing of an uniformity in weights and measurec
CASE OF THE REV. MR. GURNEY, 4„ bad
Mr. TOOKE rose, in pursuance of a notice which e", of
Guraeet.a
given, to present a petition from the Rev. T.
the parish of St. Allen, Truro, who represented that h
been thirty-eight years curate and officiating
small district ; that on the death of the incum bentthe
applied to his diocesan, the Bishop of Exeter, le
_fer,
most respectful terms possible, soliciting this small prfcne,
meet ; that he offered to forward to his Lordship, toodaet
cessary, public testimonials of good character and c_st to
from the neighbouring clergy and gentry, yet his requiember
refused. This was a grievance for which the Hoe. eti•
believed there was no remedy in that House, and theopught
tioner suggested that in any measure that might be kr ht be
forward by way of Church Reform, that provision Mlg
made for superannuating curates, who being at a duty,
ministereibi
ieQ
advanced age, were incapable of performing then 1100,
but which was not the case with the petitioner. The& for
Member thought that some provision should be reared all
,superannuating Ministers who had meritoriously labor „op
their lives for the furtherance of the doctrines of the
blishment.
The petition was ordered to lie on the table.
REPEAL OF THE MALT TAX. „.r, is
Mr. ORMSBY GORE said, in presenting a Petl-eftsis
the prayer of which he entirely concurred, he could not renY
from expressing his extreme regret at lending himself to° ais.
measure which might in the slightest degree embarrass or
tress his Majesty's Government, particularly after the re-es.lo
and most extraordinary opposition that that Governme,' ge
experienced.—( Cheers from the Ministerial Benches•L the
had, however, a more imperative duty to perform, Itibil
duty which he owed to his country. That duty recleiredo the
opinion that the Malt Tax should be repealed, 011010
petitioners represented, that a duty might be impose slue at
foreign corn, equivalent to the relative and average
which it might be grown in comparison with our own. molar
Mr. HUME said he should like to ask the Holl.t.'be
bad
what he meant by the vexatious opposition to vihicu of the
alluded ? It might, perhaps, be applicable to 01'!„.-etber.
Hon. Member's friends, but he slisclaimed it tutlolee
He was anxious to ask whether the Hon. Gentleman wee
stood the petitioners to pray for an additional duty 00 heal'
corn, because he considered the duty at present very,ad
and in the wording of the Hon. Member's petition be
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derstood it to imply that prayer. 10
Mr. 0. GORE said, in reply to the Hon. Member's ohs!, oat
he should read the original wording of the petition „aid'
duty be placed on all foreign corn equivalent to the bu toe
labour imposed on it in this country, in comparison with tabis
countries from which corn was imported, not subject tee 00
and taxes." With regard to the other question which the ors
Member had put, he again declared that he considered "Sufis
vexatious opposition never had been offered to any Millinotts'
the House. He begged also, now that he had the cicirhese
nity, to move for a return of all the seizures which hasoft",
made from brewers and other persons engaged in 1°„IP
turing deleterious or other spirits, from the sth Jan
to the sth January 1835. dell°
Mr. ROEBUCK would wish to ask the Hon. Cell
I from whence he took the wording of his motion 00
Mr. ORMSBY GORE said he had taken the !tyre tY
from the heading of his motion which was now be's% abe
House. The returns had been made up to 1833,
wished them to be continued to 1835. becord
Mr. HUME said he was afraid that this might
klo
dered a most vexatious opposition, but he was anxious t°,01611
what were the nature of the seizures to which the He° .4
Gentleman had alluded ? bre
Mr. ORMSBY GORE—AII seizures made front
and the venders of other deleterious spirits. , set
Mr. ROBINSON observed that this kind ef,c,;:tow
tion showed the inconvenience of submitting met'°""
House without subjecting them to proper authority. oir
Sir JOHN CAMPBELL, after some few obaell
suggested the propriety of the motion being withddrawsot*
Mr. 0. GORE rose in reply, and said that he had, liftst
slightest objection to withdraw the present motion, aii
matting another to the same effect.—( Great laught%rltif
begged to assure Hon. Members that he did not cosh'
self answerable for other people's nonsense. et,
Mr. GROTE thought a little alteration in the Po°
would supply every deficiency. a t° tP
Mr. ORMSBY GORE said if the House object° 09
motion he would withdraw it ; but he thought that the 10,01
tion suggested by the Hon. Member opposite Wellict °
_no
the objection. is
Sir R. PEEL thought the motion was quite regtdel.
of form, and that there could be no objectiOn to it.
The motion was then put and carried. the gee
Mr. JEPHSON moved for certain returns from
tration of Deeds Office, which were agreed to.
GREENWICH PENSIONERS. nrs
Colonel EVANS rose for the purpose of present":l4
tition from a pensioner of Greenwich Hospital, wh° —pt
his Majesty's Government had compelled him to acc;',
commutation of his pension, on a,nromise of receiviNtsfoi
passage to Canada, and an allotnr.w-, of land there. .0
titioner, under these circumstan, -reed to recelaelra
years' pension, and on applying r the Coital Office' tbst."
told that there was no ship rt i and suequeatty f efal
Majesty's Government had ci- I their instiene°
that advantage to Greenw: ;Pners.4e."' to?
__
He had been for several v appliCstfllo
Admiralty, the Colonial O Greenvriel
but without effect, and, fre':a, w ioeumstances,Thesid
E.) thought the poor man '1831;01y treated. 610'
answer he received from to Primary, Ot;afice at the /Vial;
was that his pension hat, been commute-Id, absolutely aconditionally ; but lie (Col. E.) would a 'sk whether 1"071
at the age of 35 would accept of 2 years' 'iipension as itsl
value ?—( Hear, hear; \ The idea was unjust anco Pt
The second answer he received was that thr as t
not concern that dlpartment, and a tin '.d ansoerece,
he might apply tt the Greenwich P-ension
did apply there, an' the answer was that his letter Poor I;ss
referred to the Ad,iralty, thus showing that the P ht
had been right ie. his first application. He tholdigto
answers which hadbeen given were inconsistent,ersod
Majesty's Governriant should give directions to the 11 oseid
these departmews not to give such vague and uncioloya
to the poor persons who were obliged to apply to t
advice or assis?nce.—( Hear, hear.) sad
f
Lord ASIiIEY said lie had to thank the Holl'frae
lant Member &'•,r his courtesy upon the occasion. , his peo
of the caca appeared to be, that the petitioner hau,B, at ,/
sion ;n the year 1813.—(Hear, hear.) In 18' east
own request, and on his own application, the e„), 0,
4/. a year, was commuted for 81., and he (Lord Ashlios!o
all the documents, was convinced that the commu,t,tsg,l,led
unconditional. He understood that the case was cle`loo.4ll
all rule; it was only allowed in the case of foreigners 1.7,0 turia
to return to their own country, and there had allboo
six since the war. After a considerable ietehaa red
petitioner applied to the Admiralty, saying he 0004,4
made those promises now stated. The Board terv.,j,
him, stating that they knew nothing of the Wet ladviej
had made the commutation quite unconditionally bad "tei
it was clear that he had never thought he Vest),
claim upon the Admiralty, for he had taws,' fleso4
it as if his claim was upon the Colonial office.
Noble Lord) had not been able to discover eb:,llfatety
of a promise of either passage or land ; as he said fseel 01
matter was unconditional. As to what had fallen coy
Hon. Gentleman relative to the darkness and 14110
,110;
the letters from the Board, he could only assure
Cite
it was not the practice of that Board to ; tepc'ithel
letters, but if they were to write long letters to elperferts,,,oo
tion, they would require five times the number at e„
they now had. However, every case met with ts,
consideration before it was replied to. ate ace?
,
Major BEAU CL ERK would speak to only one se, had
had fallen from the Noble Lord. He said that Etther'es
given for a pension of 4/. a-year. He would ask Wil'eretris
could possibly be a fair transaction ? If such men ht for the
when they were drunk, their pensions might be bet* eetieetyl
Col. E VANS said, it was scarcely a fair way ell or
-0 °troll'
matter to say that it did not properly belong to 'Ol tiegas
particular department. It appeared that there I,tiolti
whatever upon the subject, and therefore the clue, hetrhic)
whether there had not been an individual bargalo 'Po;
those six poor pensioners and the AdmiraltY! eir
they were beat down to the lowest poll ib td to to
if so, he thought it was the duty of the IPsorderog
quire very minutely into the question, into b psi
see that those poor foreigners had not been be hes
dealt with ; and some communication ought I°,bece ot?
with the Colonial Office, to see whether in act or ,Pls
been any provisions made to the present petitione'fiaas"' ,
If the facts stood as they were then before the A 114
contended that the pensioners ought to be restorel;eo be of
Sir H. HARDINGE observed, that in 1832, vircupesrtle
the honour of bringing before the House the case °"di ill, the
two thousand commutations which had been rca rt
army, he ,rather thought he had not the atiPPtlea ;ef
Hon. and Gallant Member. He (Sir H. H. "tse et°
his voice strongly against the measure, but he 50,.5 tlttsil
ful; he agreed with the Hon. and Gallant Metnue„tiy 114
system was most improper, and ought to be insta-the, heel
end to ; he was sorry to say that the cases 111 hge
I amounted to upwards of 2,000, which in the nag still
only 6 since the war.
Sir E. CODRINGTON said there was 110*—fair faire tlB
between the two cases. In the army there was a
ile
tation--the pensioners received an equivalent, w
navy it was admitted they received only two y Ore Poore"
Mr. HUME said that a petition of a very similar bed be
been put into his hands a few days age, bit rt0;0011'
sidered that the case was so monstrous that ir. pa,
untrue, and he therefore at once enclosed it to ight oer
the Secretary to the Admiralty, in order that he Tcoola coes
enquiries into the subject. Before he (Mr. H.), f the d•,
tion it to the House, he trusted that the whfleg°reititf;to
would be taken into consideration and the pens'°ll-feere"
Lord ASHLEY considered that the matter re
the petition should be further inquired into. j Of°
The petition was ordered to lie on the table. oals,
Colonel EVANS said that on a future gay
erP
notice of a motion in order to have a more satisraetc I
tion of the allegations contained in the petition.
CANADA. tbs
TsihreßS. PPEAEKEELthlenuncdalelresdtanudpotnhaNtlrit Risoebuck• • al
. s tleman (Mr. R.) to present a
Hon Cen
most likely produce a discussion. It was then the ticownegicletalit
ters of public business were generally taken int° ere" abaci
by the House, and if statements on petitiona!' tbs
under their attention, it would be impossible to d°_ whiePear
no objection, however, to taking up the pOtio_rnroposio po
Hon. Gentleman has given notice of his intention! tut" to
night, although, I hope, that my acquiesevag
ptehteitiionnte.wathil?itbeb;soo:ot;

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