The Sun.
London, England, 1832-11-05 00:00:00

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LONDON,
MONDAY EVENING NOVEMBER 5, 1832.

No accounts have heen received from Oporto
at the Portuguese Eukbassy of a later date than
the 20th ult. Those which are given by the
Times are to the 27th ult. If a general attack
had been made by the Miguelites up to the 30th,
and it had terminated in their favour, ac-
counts mi;litt have been received here through
Spain, and b) telegraphic despatch from Bayonne.
A general attack, however, was not expected by
the Pedroi es ; but it was really desired, as they
were well prepared. A British officer of dis-
tinction states in a letter that he visited the
Serra Convent on the day after the cele-
brated attack, and found that already all
the damage done by the Miguelites had
been repaired—a proof of exertion very
uncommon in the Portuguese character, and
strongly demonstrative of the excellence of the
system introduced by the EMPEROR and those
who have the government of his affairs. The
enthusiasm of the Pedroites is not less striking
than their industry. In one of the late contests,
25 volunteers; all officers, who had formed them-
selves into a cavalry corps, attacked an entire
column of the Miguelites, and put then* to
rout. Of the comparative strength of the two
armies, since the affair of the 29th of Sept.,
our readers may judge by the following state-
ment, which is from an authentic source :
The loss of the Miguelites on the 29th of
September, including desertion, and the return
of the militia to their homes, was. 3,000
The loss on the 12th, 13th, and 14th Oct.
Desertions since the 29th of September 4OO

Reinforcements since 6 OOO
Leaving a gain of 1,400

4,600

The loss of PEDRO on the 29ch of September

was
12th, 13th, and 14th of October

Reinforcements from Aveiro 5OO
Desertions from the enemy 4OO
From England and France
Seamen and Marines from the Fleet 4OO

2 500

Being a gain of 2,100

Add to this the confidence of the Pe droites,
as proved by the failure of all MIGUEL'S at-
tempts, their cause may be considered secure.

Up to a late hour this morning the answer
of the King of HOLLAND to the demands of
the British and French Cabinets had not been
received by our Government. It must not be
inferred, however, from this delay that the King
of HoLLANDintended to refuse compliance with
their demands, although other circumstances in-
dicate that such was his intention. The time
allowed for an answer was to the 2d instant, and
as that day would be included, the answer would
not be sent off until the evening of the 2d or the
morning of the 3d, and could hardly reach Lon-
don until this afierilooll.

The following are extracts from Brussels and
German Papers received this morning :

BRUSSELS, OCT. 31.—M. :Teen Vindermaelen, Clerk
of the Ciiurr of Aei!ounts, set out yesterday evening fur
Paris. He the bearrr of a great quantity of the obli-
gations of the 2d pat of the loan of 4S ibibions.
A Belgian Catnnet messenger net out yesterday evening

for London with despatches from the Minister of Foreign
Affairs.

Two FrPnch generals of division are expected very
shortly at Brussels.

M. Dagnan, military superintendent of the French
army of the North, has arrived at Ghent.

A private letter from Paris, received yesterday, contains
the following extract of a private letter from Brussels,
the content+ of which, we have reason to believe, are
conformable to the truth :
" After a stormy conference between General Goblet
and M. de Latour-Maubourg, the Belgian Ministers di-
rected M. Lehem to draw up a manifesto announcing,
that if between this and the 31 of November the employ-
ment of the National and foreign forces to arrive at a so-
lution is not carried into effect they will resign, consider-
ing the actual state of things as inconsistent with the Na-
tional honour."— Union.

The Journal du Commerce of Antwerp says, " The
merchants of this city have received information to-day,
that the Consuls of France and England, at Rotterdam,
have invited the captains of ships belonging to their re•
spective nations to quit the ports of Holland."
Lord and Lady Fitzclarence, Captain Doyle, and their
suite, arrived at Antwerp yesterday, and set out again for
Brussels in the evening.
Notwithstanding the news of the treaty of alliance
between France and England, and notwithstanding the
articles of the Nouvelliste and the Journal des Debuts,
the tone of our Ministerial Journals is by no means con.
&fent. The Memorial and the Emancipation maintain
that too much reliance must not be placed on the promises
of our allies, the French; and what is very remarkable,
both advise war with H..lland, not with the aid of the
French army, but by the Belgian forces alone. Is this a
new mystification in the patrons of trose papers ? or will
they perhaps at length venture? But we forget that
there is a third question—will France permit them?.—
Journal du Commerce, of Antwerp.
General Laborde, Aide-de-Camp to the King of the
French, and Member of the Chamber of Deputies, has ar-
rived at Antwerp, and is g.dng to-day to Holland. He,
as well as Lord Fitzclarence and Capt tin Doyle, had inter.
views with the Governor Colonel Buzen.—Brussels
Papers, Nov. 1.

No papers published on Friday, the preceding day being
a holydpy—All Saints' Day.
STUTTGARD, OCT, 26.--His Excellency Count Feu° di
Borgo, who arrived here on the 23d, has set out to-day on
his return to Paris.

NUREMBURG, OCT. 26.--We learn from good autho-
rity that, iastead of the corps of volunteers that it was in-
truded to raise for the service of Greece, a brigade is to be
formed, for which the 6th, 10th, 11th, and 12th Regi-
ments of the Line will furnish one battalion each ; the
brigade will be commanded by Major-General Baron de
Hertling. It is not yet known what arrangements will
be made respecting the cavalry.
Colonel Trentine returned from Greece a few days since,
and is said to have brought very satisfactory intelligence
respecting the more peaceable state of that country
Frankfort Papers, Oct. 30.

The combined fleet, under the orders of Sir
PULTENEY MALCOLM, has arrived in the
Downs this day, and will sail on Wednesday for
the coast of Holland.

The Paris Papers of Friday and Saturday,
contain some miscellaneous intelligence, but
not of any paramount importance. Marshal
GERARD, it seems, left the capital on Thursday
night for his head-quarters at Valenciennes.

According to advices received from Alex-
andria, the Viceroy of EGYPT was concluding
an arrangement with the Porte, which had agreed
to surrender Syria and the isle of Cyprus
to MAHOMET Am. On Friday, say some of
the French journals, the KING gave an audi-
ence to M. DUPIN, who stayed half an hour in
busy conversation with his MAJESTY. A
letter from Madrid of the 23d ult. published
in Galignani's Messenger, states that a vast
plot extended into every province of Spain
for placing Don CARLOS on the Throne so
soon as the KING was dead. The QUEEN
pursues her new system with vigour.

To-day is the stl► November, and a welcome
day it will be to all school boys who are lucky
enough to go to a school where the master is

not obliged, by the disinclination of parents to
be troubled w ith the presence of their children
even to commemorate Guy Fawk's day, still to
proceed witb the daily task. Oh, the glorious
burning of fingers, singeing of clothes, firing of
squibs, crackers, blowing up of mines, and
hurly-burly of bonfires that used to take place
in ' the good old times !' We recollect them well,
and albeit obliged to confess that the day might
have been passed more rationally, doubt much
whether we should have been mue;t better than
s it is a sign of improvement we now are. Perhaps
in the times that all the old school-boy saturnalia
are dying away, but still we cannot but sigh after

them like the Israelites after the forbidden
fleshpots of Egypt. That others view the
matter in P. different light, we need no further
proof than the article in our back page, from the
Morning Post of this day. "We welcome
with reverential gratitude," quoth our Contem-
porary, " the day," &c. We were astonished
at the reverential gratitude of the Post,
but still more astonished at what fol-
lowed. We must refer our readers to the
article itself; buL ask them to consider it well
as they proceed. We have no hesitation in say-
ing, that every sentence it contains, not sheer
nonsense, implies an absolute falsehood. If our
finances be impoverished, our resources en-
feebled, our trade crippled, our industry
baffled, our nobles assailed by factious sedition,
—if, we say, all or any part of what is here im-
plied be true,—to whom are we to attribute the
misfortune ? The curious mode in which
Heaven and " the spiritual hopes of countless mil-
lions" are made, towards the close of the article,
to depend upon the maintenance of an enormous
Church Establishment, is quite worthy of the
Post, and too ridiculous to require elaborate
exposure from us. Of course our contemporary
argues that the Scotch, who have a very cheap
ecclesiastical ministry, can have very few " spi-
ritual hopes ;" and that the Americans, who
make no public provision whatever for their
preachers, must be damned to all eternity.
Perhaps the whole of the Post's jumble would
be rendered intelligible by reading " temporal"
for spiritual, and " a few hundreds" for count-
less millions.

Seldom a week now passes but some exhibition
of folly or petty tyranny takes place at one or
other of the Police-offices. The Magistrates
seem actually vying with each other for the palm
of pre-eminent absurdity. If Queen-square wins
the ass's head this week, Hatton-Garden is sure
to carry it off the next. The other day
Mr.
WHITE grossly insulted a respectable individual
because he expressed a very becoming sense of
indignation at the conduct of a man Whose rash.
ness (to give it the mildest term) had occasioned
the death of not less than five peoples and
against whom—de-pite the Magistrate's opinion
on the subject—a Coroner's inquest found a vet.

dict of manslaughter ; and now Mr. LA ING,
unwilling to be behind his brother Justice, com-
mits a poor, houseless wretch for fifteen days to
the House of Correction because he is proved
guilty of the enormous crime of—starvation !
We give a portion of the case as it appears this
day in our Police Report :

DISTRESSING CASE.-Siturday evening a distressed-
looking m rn, with his daughter, aged 16, and his two
sons, the one 12 and the other 13 years of age, who
scarcely bad a rag to cover them.elves, were charged by
plice constable, 108 E., with begging.
The officer deposed to having seen them beg in Bedford.
'quare. _

Mr. LAING—Why did you beg?—Why, your Wor•
ship, I was forced to it. My children were in a state o
starvation, crying for bread, and I did ask for relief.

Where did you sleep last night ?—la the street, your
Worship.

Mr. LAING---I shall commit you to the House of Cor
rection for fifteen days.

Prisoner—l hone not, your Worship.
Mr. LAING—Take him out.
Prisoner—What will become of my children ?
Waddington (the gaoler)—Wbat is to be done with the
child en, Sir?

Mr. LAING-Let them come in. On making their
appearance he asked the girl her age, where she came
from, and where she slept last night?
Her answers were the same as given by her father to
similar que+ti.ins.

Mr. LAING then ordered them to go about their busi-
ness, and make the best of their way home to Manchester.
While in the back yard their cries were piteous, and
they bved of Wad-lington to allow them to go with their
father to prison, but he told them he could not do so.
The father, who was in the lock-up house, sent them out
a penny, beinc, all he was possessed of, and they cried bit-
terly when they were compelled to go away. A trifling
sum was collected for them, and they were advised to pro-
cure a lodging till Monday, and then apply to the Over-
seer of the parish for relief.

The point which Mr. LAING-" most
righteous Judge, a Daniel come to judg-
ment"—establishes by this conviction is, that
all people who are half-starved, and more
especially those who sleep in the streets at
night, because they have neither couch nor straw
on which to rest their aching limbs, are liable to
fifteen days' imprisonment. Who shall say after
this that poverty is not a fault, and starvation a
sin of the deadliest magnitude ? Mr. LAING
establishes the position beyond all question.
The poor wretch whom he convicts has violated
no moral principle—committed no outrage on
society ; he is simply half-starved, and be-
ing so, must, as a necessary consequence,
in the magisterial code, be a whole and
entire criminal. It is astonishing what a pious
horror all our police Magistrates entertain of
poverty. They shrink from the unnatural spec.
tacle, like a trim dandy from a chimney-sweep.
To be poor and to be criminal, is with them one
and the same thing. They cannot see how it is
possible to be otherwise. Virtue clothed in
purple and fine linen they can understand, for
they are themselves proofs of the possibility of
such a blessed union ; but virtue half starved
and in rags, is a phenomenon they cannot at all
reconcile to their sense of the " fitness of
things." Taking poverty, therefore, as the ma-
gisterial criterion of a man's good or bad qua-
lities, we can at once see what sort of a chance a
pauper is likely to have who finds himself brought
into a Police Court. It he be merely poor, he
may be lucky enough to get off with a week's
imprisonment ; but if he be half starved, he
may then make up his mind to fourteen days' or
a month's retirement at the House of Co! rec-
don. Mr. LAING'S order to the poor fellow's
children, .to go about their business—when it

was satisfactorily proved that they had no busi.
ness to go about—is a fine trait of character, a bul
of genuine Hibernian breed. This blight Ma.
gi-.trate is, we believe, a Scotchtnan—he ough
to be an Irishman.

THE FUNDS.-(THIS DAY.)

CITY, TWELVE O'CLOCK.

By the French mail this morning, accounts stare that
the effects of the armistice have been generally and favour.
ably felt. All the political prisoners have been set at
litierty. It is also assured that the independence of the
Spanish colonies will be acknowledged, on condition that
the new republics pay a certain indemnity, and for which
England and France shall be a gnarantee. The Quern is
to review on the 24th about 23,000 men ; she is to be
dressed as a General of the Hussars.

We understand that the Harlequin steamer, which left
on Saturday morning for Rotterdam, with the mail and
goods on board, as well ar p issengers. received ini.troc-
tions not to proceed further than Maigare Road., and
there wait for the arrival of the Sir Edward Banks
steamer with the mail from Holland, and communicate
with the Captain tin the state of affairs in Holland.
Letters have been received from Rio Janeiro to tjie Ist of
September. Exchange 45. All was quiet there.