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THE SUN, LONDON, FRIDAY, FEBRUARY 27, 1835.

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dually. 'lf you were to go
a disagreeable smell behind. You no
the agricultural interest of England, and yet psis
you will do for that country ! To the agricultural in..
Scotland you have not even promised anything—and why
Because she returned a majority of Members against you
You have left her to pray ; but she could and did pray be
fore, without and in spite of you, and she was more happy
to pray in freedom at her mountains' side% in the enjoy-
ment of that liberty which is the choicest gift that
man can receive, than if she had been surrounded with
all the pomp of an expensive and luxurious Church Esta-
blishment. But Ireland is not to have anything at all in all this.
Now to the next branch of your promised great works. We are
told,ithat you will promote a commutation of tithes in England and
Wales. There is no doubt that the present system of tithes
has much aggravated the evil. It gives a great advantage to
the clergy, by enabling them to levy the tithe at once, with-
out delay or compromise, and by giving them a prompt remedy
against the tithe-payer. But I tell you that England will
not trust you ; and if you give her such a commutation of
tithe as you did to Ireland, she will be much better without it.
It is therefore extremely equivocal on this subject, and as to
the rest which is to be done for England, they are merely
words of course. There is something said of ecclesiastical
discipline. I had intended to pass by this subject
as one foreign to me, but the Right Hon. Baronet will not
allow me, because he has referred to Ecclesiastical juris-
diction of the Bishops over the Clergy, and quoted
Ireland, as an instance of what has been done in this respect.
As far as relates to the power of the Bishops over the
clergy in spirituals, I discuss it not. Ido not believe
in the doctrines, or approve of the discipline of the Church of
England—that is your affair, not mine ; but this much I will
say, if you mean to extend to England the system in operation
in Ireland—if you intend to give the Bishop a despotic
power over his clergy—if you give him an iron power of
restraining the clergy and of licensing them to go abroad—if you
encourage him to interfere in politics, he will never interfere for
the purpose of checking those who take part against the rights
of the people. It may happen that his authority will be exercised
for other purposes. I ask whether this is the boon
that is to be extended to England--is this the pledge
which is to fascinate the Waverers—are these meant
to be the deeds of ecclesiastical improvements which
are to gain for the Administration the confidence of the
people of England ?—( Cries of " Hear, hear.") The
Speech does nothing more ; I have given you the entire.
What, then, does it promise to the people of Scotland ?
Why just this—it recommends the building of Churches.
Could not the Scotch build Churches for themselves?—
( Loud cheering.) I know that in an infinitely poorer
country the inhabitants build their own Churches. I know
an instance in my own parish where in two years and a half an
edifice has been erected, for which there has been already
paid 12,300/., and when completed it will cost 20,000/.
It is now fit for Divine service, and yet not a single
penny was procured from any public fund.---( Cheers.) And
therefore I say, with great respect to my Scotch friends, they
should build churches for themselves. I would recom-
mend them if they want churches to hire some of the dis-
senting houses, or perhaps it would be better to hire
a dissenting Minister. I come to that part of the question which
is most interesting. I have more than once thrown myself upon
the indulgence of the House, and at the close of the last Session
on the debate for the repeal of the Union—l acknowledge
with gratitude the attention with which I have been heard.
I have been received with more attention than I possibly
could deserve, and which I must attribute only to
the kind considoiation of the cause of which I was
the advocate. With respect to Ireland what is your policy ?
Is not your presence the greatest curse to that country ? I
ask is there a man who has been ever distinguished for his
hatred, his truculency, and his persevering animosity to
the Catholics of Ireland, who has not rallied round you ?
Is it true ! I have it confidently, that the grand mas-
ter of the Orangemen of Ireland is Lord Steward
of the Household ( Hear, hear.) If it be untrue,
my observations don't apply to it; but if it be true, what is the
country to think? Now, Sir, I heard a good exposition respect-
ing Orangemen thrown out by the Hon. Member for Sligo in his
usual native good humour. Now, I tell him, and I tell you,
that the Orange system is illegal, and I have got it from the
speech of the Honourable Gentleman himself, although
he seems to think that no society is considered to be an illegal
society, but a society bound by an oath. Why,
Sir, if that were so, all the upper classes would
dispense with the oath which we are reading every day
in the newspapers, as being taken by those who are sworn in
in such and such places.—( Hear, hear.) I ask him, is
there not a declaration made by every man who be-
comes an Orangeman ? Is he not obliged to declare he is
a Protestant, and not a Catholic ?—and is there not a test
by which they are known to each other, and which is kept as
a secret ? How then again, I would ask, is not every
society that has a secret, illegal by Act of Par-
liament ?—( Hear, hear.) But I put it to this House
and I put it to an English people—is it not too bad to have
Ireland in this situation, that all her instruments of Govern-
ment should be selected from that party ?—( Hear, hear.)
or if they be not directly selected by that party, they are to
be nominated by its confidential advisers and pretending
friends. —( Cheers.) Now, how does it interfere with the
administration of justice, the brotherhood in secret? the criminal
to be tried is a Catholic, does he know his prosecutor?
No, but be is to be tried by twelve Orangemen; that is the
great evil, and the question is, how are we to avoid it ? Ido
not wish to discuss this question with harshness. I heard
the cry of exultation—l saw the triumph—l marked the
altered mien—l saw the war of separation since the Go-
vernment came into power, and the persons with whom
I have acted have treated me with calumny, because
they thought that I was doing all that I possibly could
to give peace to Ireland—( Great cheering.) With respect to
the state of that unhappy country, I ask whether it has not been
repeatedly admitted that Ireland had been misgoverned. At
the time of the Union Lord Clare proclaimed that a
faction had governed Ireland, that a millenium had been pro-
mised. but had not taken place, when no distinction was
to exist between Ireland and this country.—( Cheering. )
Up to the Union that state of things was admitted—since the
Union have things been better? You (pointing to the Trea-
sury Bench) have been all Secretaries for Ireland, and know
the baneful nature of your rule. You have this time, I
grant you, appointed a good tradesman to the Chan-
cellorship of Ireland, but what has he been doing since he
went over to Ireland ?—why receiving addresses from
the Crooked-buildings and such other places. Let me sup-
pose that, instead of such a good tradesman, you had sent us,
not a man like Sir Edward Sugden, who had forced himself
up by his talents—you had found a man of family who by
his influence had been raised to the dignity of a Puisne
Baron of the Exchequer, and who had sat for an
hour and a half for some few days in that situation,
and then you sent him over to Ireland as her Chancellor, that
he should preside over us for 25 years; and suppose that his
decrees should have been reversed, not in the ratio of 50 per
cent. certainly, but I will say ten out cf twenty—( A laugh)__
and, at least, a third of the remainder—( Hear, hear,
and loud laughter)—Suppose for 25 years you had the
country under such a Chancellor, who cared for" nothing
save a pun or a jest, was there any redress in this House—was
there one voice in this House raised in favour of the
country ? No—the country was ruled, in a legal sense,
by one in whom not an Irishman would trust the decision of a
case involving the value of two shillings and sixpence ; yet
such was our Chancellor for the full period of twenty-five years.
Then, who have we for our Chief Justice of the Common
Pleas ? I shall not describe him, for it would be too ridicu-
lons —( Hear.) I went round the bar on his appointment,
and found not one in favour of his appointment—( Impatience. )
lam telling facts of history—of the history of Toryism in
my own country. In that Court, as in all others, there are fees
upon records and remanets--of course the plaintiff pays them
—a nephew or other relative of the Judge was clerk, and
of course in that Court the plaintiff always got a verdict.
I myself in many instances stated to my client that he had no
case, nor no merits, and that he would get no verdict ; but
after all, the verdict was obtained by the plaintiff because he
was plaintiff, and it was in the Court of Common Pleas.—(No,
no.) It is daniesi ; but that is one of the worst features of
Toryism, that facts which are notorious to all are whispered to
be untrue. An Act of Parliament at length passed, taking
away the fees of this Court. A case was submitted to me, and
I advised the attorney not to defend it ; that, in short, he had
no defence..,_.(-Jear, hear, hear.) To my astonishment,
next day, the late Mr. Lloyd and myself were handed
briefs. The Judge took up the caw with ll§ from the com-
mencement, and my client got a verdict, discovered next
day that this astonishing result had taken place in consequence
of the fees having been paid.—( Question.) This is the question.
While the Tories were in power, they sanctioned this
Judge, and when I put his incapacity in Oa Asp of a
petition, and sent it to Lord Brougham, it was sent by him
to the Right Honourable Gentleman, but was not pre-
sented during that Session. The object was to induce this
Gentleman to resign, but the Tory faction was too
strong, and be remained in office until another petition was
forwarded by me when he resigned. I shall now state a fact
relative to Mr. M‘Nally.—(Cries of Oh, and " Question,
question.") I promise, if the House will bear with me, that
even the Right Hon. Baronet will be obliged to me for
the facts that I am now about to disclose.—( Hear, hear. )
That gentleman was, on every occasion, the ceunsel,
for prisoners, and especially those charged with treasonable
offences against the State ; and when we were defending the
Catholic delegates, we took him as one of our counsel.
—{The House here manifested strong symptoms of impa-
tience.] During all that time Mr. M`Nally enjoyed the
confidence of the prisoners, and after his death we discovered
that he was a secret pensioner of the State.—( Question. )
Was this a sense of English Justice ?—( Hear, and renewed
cries of Question.) Yes, question is cried, because it does
not relate to English Justice.—(Loud bursts of applause.)
We afterwards discovered that everything that we com-
munnicated to MiNally was conveyed to the Government.
Ought not the people of Ireland, therefore, to tremble at a
Tory Administration, for there it means nothing but Orange.
ism ? The Hon. and Learned Recorder appears to dissent
fro this. But the moment the last session was dis.
solved, the Ilonourable and Learned Member cannot forget
the career he commenced ; and I could fill a book with
the acts and sentiments of that Hon. and Learned Gentleman
since that period. When the Reform Bill was in progress it
was attempted to mix up religion indirectly with its discus-
sion, and it was asserted that it was the object of the Go-
vernment to deprive the people of the Bill. The people were
told to keep the Bible to their hearts, but to keep their powder
dry. Will this be denied? I have the authority of the present
Deice of Richmond for it—it will he found in page 3,380 of
the fourth volume of the debates in the House of Lords
or_ the subject of Corporations, on the 26th of July,,
1832. Yet this party the government has bound to

- Mr. BARING here rose to ask to whom Mr. O'Connell
alluded.

Mr. O'CONNE LL said that he did not intend
to allude personally to any Hon. Member ; but that he thought
he had been paying the Gentlemen opposite a compliinent
by praising their acquirements in finance. But if the Right
Honourable Gentleman had not before heard of the
bribery and corruption practised during the last election,
he may now (emphatically observed Mr. O'Connell) learn
it from myself. I am perfectly aware that I have intro-
duced a number of irritating topics, but if they have
boon unpleasant to the Honourable Gentlemen opposite,
how painful must those circumstances be to the people whom
they so nearly concerned. It has been my wish to
refrain from anything which could be unpleasant to any Hon.
Member ; but I have considered it my duty to defend my
countrymen, and to support the principles of those Gentlemen
who coincide with me in political opinions. (The Hon.
and Learned Gentleman sat down amidst loud cries of
Divide, divide," " Question, question," and cheers. )
Mr. F. SHAW rose, but there were loud cries of Ques-
tion, Adjourn, Divide, &c. He could assure the Hon. and
Learned Member, who had just left the House, that though he
might suppose-he had created an impression, he had made none
on the Hon. Members near him. It was not his (Mr. Shaw's)
intontion to trespass upon the House, as upon the bringing up
of the report, he would fully answer the statement of the
Hon. and Learned Gentleman. There was nothing more re-
pugnant to his ( Mr. S.'s) feelings than to appear in that House
as an Irish partisan. He wished to be looked upon as a Member of
the united Parliament, anxious to promote the interests of that
great empire. He would show on the occasion which would pre-
seitself, who kept alive the spirit of faction in Ireland
_whosell measures and whose profit it was to have agitation in
full force, and he would content himself by stating that there was
a considerable portion of the Irish public of all religions and
parties who were wearied of political exeitement, and who
were anxious for repose—( Cries of " Question" "Divide" &c.
Mr. O'DWYER then stood up, and was some time be.
fore he could possibly be heard, in consequence of the
loud shouts of " Question, question," and " Divide, divide."
We understood him to say that he should not have addressed
the House had not the Hon. Gentleman opposite ( Mr. Shaw ),
in the absence of his Learned Friend ( Mr. O'Connell)
taken occasion to give expression to language quite

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that monster,
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succeeded.il
in the late House of Commons, and I believe that was one of
the reasons for dissolving that Parliament, there wag A !IiSPO'
sition in that House—as they refused to listen to a re-
peal of the Union—a strong, a growing, an increasing, and a
generous disposition to take into consideration all the wrongs
of Ireland ; and I laughed in my sleeve when I heard an
English or a Scotch Member say that they did not know why
the last Parliament was dissolved. I think I know the cause
—at least—

" Si non propter hoc, post hoc."
Did I resume agitation when I went to Ireland 1 Did I call
meetings ? No, but I addressed some letters to a Noble
Lord (Duncannon) whom I always respected, and whom I
still respect, although be may be within hearing.--( Laughter,
Lord Duncannon was present.) It is to me a proud boast
that I am able to say that I enjoy his kind wishes and friendship.
I call on you to alter it by all means. I was met on that
occasion by a declaration unequivocal and true from the Hon.
Gentleman who asserted it, they had constant communications
with those who composed the head of the Orange party.
I was informed that their sentiments and measures were liberal.
But let me ask who is he now ? Forsooth—Attorney-General
—for his liberality of course. I happened to be passing by when
the Right Hon. Gentleman was made a Privy Coursellor—
( Hear, hear.) I saw the Right Honourable Gentleman
coming out of his house next day. By the greatest accident in
the world, I found he was Attorney- Gencral.--( Cheers front
the opposition.) I take the opportunity of stating it to the House
for it ought to be known, and he is too modest to declare
it himself. But we know the active agency in that country in
all its places, and in all its areaneemente• lie ie Whet FrOglii •
be termed the eye of the Government. The Chinese have some
odd terms in their designation of men, they would call him a
barbarian eye. If his eye be a barbarian eye, which it is not,
there are many barbarian eyes in this House.—( Question,
question.) He did not wish to wiPit had htcri said
against an illustrious person by souse honourable gentles
men, for a braver warrior never stepped into the *field
nor one who deserves to be more highly honoured of his coun-
trymen ; but I should like to know why the present Lord-
Lieutenant was sent among usseewhy the Orenge f!ge ryas
hoisted on our towers.—( Hear, hear, hear.) Ido not de-
precate him. No ; I leave it as one of the chip and porrage
kind of specimens we have.—( Cries of " Question, question."
I cannot blame the liellso far thle i Paling! illahlb
Honourable Gentlemen for this impatience, 134 I am
desirous of stating to you at this late hour one or two
of the movements of the coalition for the arrangement
of their Vier recruits, entertaining themselves at our expence.
I shall be as brief as I pessihly east t hot owe it to Myself to
read one or two passages from those letters, to which refereneu
has been made, to show the object of the popular party was not to
embarrass the Government, but to obtain satisfactory mea-
sures of redress, I appeal to Mr. Chalmers if this be not
the fact—.l appeal to the Noble Member for Kildare who stated
the case in this House, and I appeal to the Noble Member
for Monaghan, now Member for Cashel, whether what I have
stated is not correct ? It was at feeling the ingratitude of
that party that I made use of the expressions atttributed to me
_expressions which I was not willing to retract then—which I
do not retract now, but which I still hope they will give me
an opportunity to retract.--( Hear, heart, and loud cheers. )
Something had been offered to Ireland in the speech, and what
was it? He would state it in the strongest terms—
they had offered a final adjustment of the tithe question
upon fair and equitable terms. But what would they really
give to Ireland ? Did they mean to lessen the agricultural bur-
dens ? Did they mean to alter her destination ? Did they mean
to allow tithes in a country essentially Catholic, and to continue
sinecure clergy? Was there any hope held out of a finality of set-
tlement ? He called on the House, but not on that section of
it who had been flaming away in support of the Address to at-
tend to one fact. The Commission for Corporation Inquiry had
been pronounced illegal, and he saw a Learned and Hon. Gent.
in the House, a competent authority, who would support the
opinion that it was legal.—( Hear, hear.) After some re-
marks, urging strongly the necessity of Corporation Reform,
he observed that several persons had been made freemen,
contrary to law, merely because they were Conservatives.
Since the year 1792, no Catholic was ever admitted into the
Dublin Corporation. The present Government has refused
to pledge itself to Corporation Reform, but I hope when the
report on the address will be brought up, that the House
will enforce the pledge.---( Cries of 4, Hear, hear.") There
can be no excuse for their not pledging themselves on Corpo-
ration Reform, but that they are desirous of protecting the
Orange faction in Ireland. I admit that there are many
honest and honourable men, but if you do not know what
their general character is, apply to the Hon. Member for Colerain
( Alderman Copeland), and he will tell you what they are in
the North-of Ireland. I protest therefore against my country
being governed by the Tory party. Since their accession to
power they have filled the Benches with Barristers whose sole
distinction is bigotry arid violent partisan feelings. If I were
placed upon the Irish bench, would not the Orange
party justly exclaim against my appointment as a party man ;
and though I would desire to act as impartially, the party op-
posed to me would not be satisfied.--( Hear, hear.) I admit
that the Recorder is a most impartial man in the decision
of the boxing quarrels and pocket-picking questions that
came before him; but only see what a country it is. Does it
not bespeak a foregone conclusion, to find a judge who has
such trials coming before him, getting a character for- impar-
tiality.—( Question.) I promise the House I will not detain
them longer, and as a bonus I will only detain them while I
address to them this sentence.—My country, then, has no terms
for this Administration—no free country in Europe places
any reliance upon it. Every tyrant in the world has been
pleased at your elevation to power, nor is there an oppressed na-
tion struggling against despotism that does not bitterly lament it,
The announcement of the accession to office by the present
Government was received in Ireland with consternation.—
( Cries of " No, no.")
Mr. O'CONNELL—But I say, " Yes, yes." Aye, in
every country where tyranny flourished, the announcement of
the present men to power was received with joy—in Portugal
by the Miguelites, and by the Autocrat of the Russias, whose
massacre of the children the Polish mothers had to de-
plore. It was a sin with the present Government to speak
it lady-like tone. In all
the accession to office
countries
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roof thl
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earutyt o cratwas,
cherished,excep t i n
of the Right Hon. Baronet and his friends was deplored
—and most of all in Ireland. I am attacked for
the opposition I have given to the Whig;,_( Hear, hear. )
But I would now do so if they were in power, as I am
carryamend
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English Reform Bill into Ireland--(hear, hear)—and would
would make it equipotent.—(Cheers. ) The Right Hon. Ba-
ronet and his friends dwelt much on their intention of Munici-
pal Reform, but are they sincere? If they are they will carry it
into effect, and disarm the Orange bands in Ireland,
whose conduct was such as destroyed the peace, happiness, and
even the life of the unfortunate peasantry. What I only ask
for Ireland is an equal administration of the law,
and that the people would be told that the law was too
strong, and to it they should submit.--( Loud cheering. )
And now, as to the Repeal of the Union, I would suspend it—
( Loud cries of " Hear," from both sides of the House)—in
order to give the Whigs a full and fair trial, and would return,
to Repeal if they should fail in fulfilling their promises. I
maintain that liberty is in danger—that universal 4,7•ecaoin
is endangered by the existence of the present Administration.
I would ask the Hon. Member for Worcester, in mower to
his observations, whether he ever heard of 061 much money
having been spent in bribery anti corruption, as at the last
election. In Ireland the Conservatives sent emissaries to places
where they had never been heard of before, and so much briber%
had not been been hitherto known. If I could put on
ono side the profit which the Tories gained, and, on the
other, the money they expended, the balance, on whichever
side it might be, would be little beneficiel to morality and reli-
g to.

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inconsistent with his usual hahlts, in dealing with I saw heel. Fietete on the night in question. The I..aincit gen_
the Hon. and Learned Gentleman in his presence, and in
language which he would tell the Hon. and Learned Gentleman
did not become him to others.—( Hear, and cries of " Oh.")
He had assailed his Honourable and Learned Friend as an
agitator.—( Cries of " Oh, oh I" from the Ministerial side.)
It was true he was an agitator.—( Cheers from the Ministerial
side, reiterated by cheers from the Irish Members)—a successful Heenan further conten :ed, that no proof had been given to show that the
derendant had acted for gain for hire at the time depo&el to, neither was
it state i that money had been taken at the door of the theatre. The
Icaraed g,ritleman called upon the magistrate, to dismiss the informations.
lies. Clarkson followed on the same &de.
r. • to.p is replied, contending that the identity of the defendant
was wily proved.
agitator for the liberties of his country. —( Cries of " Hear, both of opinion that the evele:
hear.") But the Hon. and Learned Gentleman opposite, who c.,,,tained in the info:merlon, and the
had charged his Hon. Friend as an agitator had made use ofSir F. not, after consulting with Mr. MINSIIULL, said that they were
vicred in the penalty of 501. tee prosluced fully bore out the alegatiena
derendant must therefore be cur:_
agitation both auxiliary to his profit and honour. His agitation Mr. Forester, another performer at the same theatre, was then charred
had made him a Member of Parliament—his agitation had made with having, on the ritli ef January last, pert; rrned the part of Alfred
him a privy counsellor—his agitation had given him honours Ilighflyer, in the farce of A Rowland for an Oliver, and another piece.
which ought only to have been given -to those who had been He was convicted on each information in the penalty of 501.
Mr. Bodkin, on behalf of Mr Glossop, the repu cd manager of the
useful in the public services. The Hon. and Learned Gen-
theatre, then requested that the hearing of the informs ion against that
Gen-
tleman continued his remarks amid loud cries of " Question,"
person might be postponed, and yesterday was fixed for the hear' on
and .‘ Divide," and at length sat down.
Mr. Bodkin, addressing the Magistrates, saint that heat
on be.
M twenty minutes past ONE o'CLocK, the Gallery was
half or Mr. Glossop and several other individuals, against whom infor-
cleared for a division, who there appeared—.
issued,
mations had been but without entering into the question as to
For the Amendment - - -
whether or not Mt. Glossop would be held responsible as manager of tke
For the Address - -
►- - theatre, or to what extent the other defendants were liable, he wee in-
structed by all parties belonging to the theatre to say that they. were de,
termined to abide by the decision of the Magistrates on the previous
day, and to close the theatre at once; and as au earnest cf their inten-
tion to do so, the theatre was shut up last night, and would not be
opened again, so long, at least, as the law remained in its present state.
He hoped, therefore, that there would. be no objection to allow the pro,
ceedings to stand over for a fortnight. At the same time he would ob_
serve that no complaints had p-,,er been made against the theatre, either
by the police or the persor., living in the neighbourhocd,of the manner
in which it had been c":,nductect. He fully acquitted the proprietors gf
the patent theatre", of being parties to the infiirmations, and he hoped
and believed that the law which was now enforced against the de-
ferulapP:s would be altered in the present session of Parlianert; and
I'.e trusted that the Noble Lord who now filled the ' office of
Lord Chamberlain would not be prtjudiced by these proceed-
ings when the question came before him as a Peer of Parliament.
Mr, Adolphus said, that when his learned friend spoke of the lawns
being obsolete, and talked of the public feeling fring against it, he must
be allowed to say a few words in reply. A 7, to the law being revised
by the new Parliament, he of course keew nothing upon that subject.
For his own part, however, he conf-essed that he had a strong feeling
upon the subject, fur white he "was willing to admit that Mr. Gloss p
and the test of his compagy '.iati conducted the Strand Theatre with a
true regard to morality, hood order, arid decency, the same result might.
not occur if perocon were allowed to open theatres in any court or alley
of the metro:;olis in which they night happen to find a place to suit their
olijeet. Whether the moral string which restricted thes2 practices was,
draWn too lightly to suit the public feeling at present was not aige.ea..
tion for him to determine, but the complaint was one of lor.g stie.aling.
Ir.deo.i, from the year 1787 that complaint had frequeatly been urged,
and some relaxation of the law was permitted when the car.: of Sadler's
Wells Theatre was brought before Lord Thurlow. Eje:t the law still
existed, and it must not be said to be obsolete becaut it did not happen
to suit the public taste, and because some parties thoeetht proper to
evade it. He begged to say that he had no ob!ection tnai the informs.
tion should be postponed, on the understanding, however, that the shut-
ting.up of the Strand Theatre should be a real shuttmg.up, and not A
wets nded closing for the mere purpose or gaining time. If the promige
to close the theatre was made bona fide, he hag ;ro objection, on thipart
of the Lord Chainberlain, to consent to the postponement soureit by his
learned friend.
Mr Bodkin repeated that there was no intention ou the part of bfr.
Glossop to open the theatre agein.
Mr. Adolphus then, with the consent of the Magistrates, agreed to
postpone the further he.aring of the informaticeas for a fortnight, and the
patties then eret':ed.

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After the majority had returned to the House,
Lord JOHN RU SS ELL rose amidst the loudest cheers,
which were continued for some minutes ; after it had ceased,
he said he wished to ask the Right Honourable Baronet,
Sir R. Peel, whether, after what had taken place, he would
again divide the House upon the bringing up of the report ?
After a pause,
Sir R. PEEL rose and said, that at present, and without
further deliberation, he could not give an answer to the
question. He would not pledge himself one way or the
! other. He must consult his colleagues upon the subject.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL again rose and said the House had
heard. the answer of the Right Hon. Baronet. He trusted
that the majority would profit by the answer given, and
attend in their places to-morrow (this day) to repeat
the triumph they had that moment gained.—( Immense
cheering,)
Sir ROBERT PEEL immediately rose and said—l beg;
the House-to remember that I pledge myself to no course
whatever ; but to the minority I WOULb ONLY SAY,
PROFIT ALSO BY THE GOOD ADVICE YOU
HAVE NOW HAD GIVEN. ATTEND IN YOUR
?LACES TO-MORAOW, AND SEE WHETHER
WE CANNOT TURN THE MINORITY OF TO-
NIGHT INTO A MAJORITY THEN.
The question and answer were cheered vehemently. After the
House had adjourned, the majority gave one loud exd long-con-
tinued cheer, and formed thentselyea inic, sniali knots conversing
ou what had 110/41 recently done, the Reformers, with honest
hearty smiles upon their faces, while the Tories also smiled,
but with a most rueful countenance.
The Members left the House about twenty minutes past
i,
Two o'Cloek,

Mr. GOULBURN grinned a ghastly smile, but the CoriN-
CELLOR of the EXCHEQUER looked quite blank, and
see►ned to be so absorbed in contemplation as to take no notice
of what was passing around him; he walked out of the House,
with a downcast countenance, and was followed by a crowd
of his supporters, who seemed to have caught the hue of their
leader.

LAMBETH STREET.
Yesterday, Mr. Goodwin, her Majesty's Secretary, attended at this of-
fice to make or offer some arrangements, agreeably to the wish of her
Majesty, for the maintenance and education of the extmrdinary child
Sarah Rixford, who had been presented to, and brought under the na-
tice of, the Queen about three years ago, but who had latterly, in con-
sequence of the extreme poverty of her parents, applied to be takers into the workhouse of the parish of Whitechapel.
Shortly after the arrival of Mr. Goodwin, Brooman, the beadle of
Whitechapel, brought the girl Rixford and her mother, Mrs. Hookey,
into the justice.room.
Mr. Goodwin, addressing the latter, said that her Majesty had sig-
nified her willingness to place her daughter in some public institution,
where she would he taken care of and properly educated at her Ma.
jesty's expense, and he therefore wished to know if she, the .mother,
had any objection to such an arrangement, or to part with the girl as
soon as a proper institution was fixed upon
Mrs. Hookey, after hesitating for some time, replied by saying that
as her Majesty had heretofore been so kind, she hoped she would not
send her child to a public charity, but place her in some situation' here
-be, the mother, would have an opportunity of seeing her.
Mr. Goodwin observed that this was precisely the way in which the
benevolence of Her Majesty was met upwards of three.years ago, when
he had apolied to Mrs. Hookey to have the child placed in some public
school, where she would be taken proper care of.
Mrs. Hookey said that at that time he ( Mr: Goodwin) did not inform
her that he came from her Majesty, and, therefore it was that she oh.
jected to parting with her child.
Mr. Goodwin replied, that though he might not have exactly expressed
that he came by order of or from her Majesty, yet he had mentioned
channels through which she might have satisfied herself of the fact.
The sitting Magit,rates, Messrs. HARDWICK and War.xxe,expressted
their astonislnnent that the mother could hesitate for a moment to
embrace with heartfelt gratitude the kind and generous offer of her
ANesty.

Mrs. Hooker, notwithstanding, said she could not consent to her
daughter being placed in a public institution : she watt not at; orphan ;
and she must say that if her (Mrs. Hookey's) wish was to p;ace her child
in an asylum, she could find plenty of gentlemen who would get her
into one.

Mr. Goodwin said he perceived the object of the 'soother was to get
her child into some private seminary ; but this could not be done. • Her
Majesty's pleasure was that she should be placed in one of the public in-
stitutions, and if the mother did not consent to this, nothing could be
done for her.
Mrs. Hookey here observed that if the girl was sent to a public inst.!_
tut ion, her hair would be cut off.
Mr. Goodwin replied, that this could make no difference, if it even
was the case, as it would prevent her being so much an object of attrae_
tion as she at present was.
Mrs. Hookey, at the urgent entreaties of her daughter, who shed
tears, and appeared to be much of ,cted at her foolish obstinacy, said
that, before she gave her consent, it was fit she should know where her
daughter was to be placed.
Mr. HARDWICK again expressed his astonishment at the fanner in
which the gracious and benevolent offer of her Majesty was treated by the
mother of the child. who a few days before would have been satisfied by
her being taken into a workhouse, but now, when an asylum was offered
to her, such as many respectable tradespeople would feel most proud
and happy to have provided for their children, where she would be
properly attended to and educated, she, instead of at once accepting
the offer with gratitude and kindness, refused it in a manner which led
him (Mr. Hardwick) to believe that she had some other ulterior object.
Mr. WALKER concurred in the opinion expressed by his brother ma-
gistrate, and said that there was something beyond mere obstinacy in the
conduct of the mother.
After hearing these unequivocal expressions from the bench, Mrs.
Hookey ultimately consented to comply with her Majesty's gracious
wish, on I er being allowed to see her child occasionally at whatever in--
stitution she may be placed in.

HATTON-GARDEN. - -
Yesterday Stratton, a Mendicity officer, applied to Messrs. LAING and
lionEas, to know whether he could bring befoze them two fellows who
were adjacent to the office, reciting a seditious dialogue, calculated to
bring his Majesty, the Duke of Wellington, Sir Robert Peel, Bart., and
other political characters into contempt, and he widhed to be informed
whether he would be justified in apprehending them on a charge of
vagrancy. Mr. LAING, after hesitating a little, ordered him and Hall,
the offieer of this establishment, to bring them to the office. .
In a few minutes the prisoners were brought in by the officers. On
being placed at the bar, they f,-ive their names Thomas Ellott and
William Freeman Hales, hot"-, young men of shabby genteel appearance.
Stratton, being sworn stated that yesterday afteinoon, about half-
past 2 o'clock, he tn. passing along Mutton-hill, or Vine-street, near
tins office, whet, he saw the prisoners reciting the contents of some
printed PAP'7, (now produced), and they were surrounded by a crowd of
men, women, and boys, whose risible muscles were greatly excited by
r°"..sth jukes upon his Majesty, the Dukes of Wellington and Cumber..
the Queen, and Sir Robert Peel, Bart.
The Magistrates here perused the papers, which were headed " The
trial of Arthur Conkey, alicis Nosey, and Privy Garden Bob, for a eon. •
spiracy and attempt to burke Bill Reform, tried in the Court of !magi.
viation; before the venerable Judge John Bull, and a Jury (if public
Opinion."

Mr. Laura (to the prisoner Elliottl—What are you P Elliot—l get
a few half-pence as well as I can. I have been a soldier In the East
India Company's service. I was discharged at Bombay In a regu.
lar way.

Mr. LklNG—Where do you live? Elliott—No. 12, Charlthuotreei',
Drury-lanQ. He did not know the other prisoner, but met him ac-
cidentally.

Mr. LAING (to Hales)—What are you ? Hales--I am no trade; I
vend about books and pamphlets.

• -
Mr. LAlNG—According• to your own accounts of yourselves you are
nothing but a couple of vagrants ; I never heard of two men giving is
worse account f themselves. I shall order you both to find bail.
The prisoners were then locked up in default of ball, and their papers
detained.

Francois Gillion, a Frenchman, was charged
.by Josiah Dean, an
an inspector of hawkers' and pedlars' licences, with having hawked
and offered for sale tortoiseshell combs and other fancy articles viithout
licence, contrary to the statute, which subjected him to a penalty of 104.
Dean stated, that on Wednesday last he saw the defendant in Unit
versity-street, St Pancras, enter a shy and present his combs, lookitill.
glasses, &c., for sale, and on asking him for his licence he could, ant
produce one, and he gave him into the custody of a policeman, 82, E
division, who took him to the station.house with h s goods.
The defendant was convicted in the penalty of 101„ and he warn
locked up until the money was paid before the office was closed. On
being liberated he complained loudly of the " Sereritie of Anglaise law.
and dat de forenaire vas treated onfairly in dis eontrie." He was so.
cured to the contrary, and advised to take out a license linntediately,:er
he wou!d be liable to a 101. penalty for every comb or article. that ate
might offer fur sale. He might apply for orders, but not otter for sisie,
without having a license.