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that the instructions which had been given to the Com
missioners, and sanctiuned by that House, were, th
no borough of more than 300 101.-houses: should any p
rich be added, except it was immediately contiguous. lb
considered this as a case of injustice, and hoped the pf4i
s'oners would be allowed to make out their ease at.the
of the House, or that it should be referred to a Scree'
Committe. When the 11,undaries' Bill came before I
House, it this clause Was not altered, he would give it it
most uncomprosing opposition.
Sir R. VYVIAN hoped that as a case had been assert-

erl by the Petitioners, the Ntble Lord opposite (Althorp)
would allow them to make out their case at the bar ;' it
not he begged of his Noble Friend to press his motion for
a Sleet Committea, and if he (Sir R. V.) stood alon?,
would press it to a division.
Lord ALTHORP thought that the proper time for the
discussion of this cose weuld be when the boundaries Bib
was before the House.
After a few words from Mr. CROKER., Sir C. WETHE
KELL, and Sir M. W. RIDLEY, the petition was ordered
to be printed.
Lord D. STUART declared himself as favourable to
Reform as he had ever been, and did nut conceive that in
opposing one clause in the boundaries Bill, he was ding
any injury whatever to the cause of Reform. He
thought Ministers deserved the gratitude of the counti y
for the course they had taken, and only hoped that that
great measure, the Reform Bill, would to-night, in another
place, be brought to a triumphant conclusion.—The
petition was then ordered to be printed.
Sir R. VYVYAN understood that it was intended to
propose a Bill in one of the Houses of Pat liarnent to enable
the Memb .rs of Government to find an easier access into that •
House, and lie wished to know whether Ministers intended
to give it their support. He also wished to know in re-
ference to the petition just presented, whether the Nob!e
Lord in certain cases, would consent to bear evidence at
the Bar, or would refer the matter to a Committee up
stairs.

Lord ALTHORP stated, it was not the intention of
Government to propose any such Bill as the Hon.
Baronet alluded to. With regard to the other question,
he could not at present pledge himself to any
partieulay course, but this he would say, that where ever
any difficulties occurred, he would give every requisite
means of information.
Mr. DUNDASgave notice that he would move the second
reading of the Edinburgh Police Bill to-morrow.
Lord ALTHORP moved thot the Orden of the Day
roc receiving the report of Ways and Means be now iced.
Mr. LITTLETTON wished to put a question to
the Noble Lord, on a subject of great importance, and
relating to which he had presented a petition this evening
from a Committee of country bankers sitting in London.
The Committee prayed to he allowed to offer evidence
on behalf of the country bankers, before the Secret Com-
mittee now sitting on the Bsnk Charter. And he begged
to ask if the Noble Lord would have any objection to
such a proceeding.
Lord ALTHGRP said, there was no doubt that it
would be ❑ecessary to call evidence before the Secret Com-
mitte, but he wished to know whether the Hon. Member's
proposition was to hear Counsel.—(No, no, horn Mr. Lit-
tleton.) As it was a Secret Connnittce, he could not consent
that Counsel should be heard, but it certainly was his
intention to propose to the Committee to receive sueli in-
formation as the country bank,' s could give.
Mr. LITTLETON expressed himself satisfied with the
Noble Lord's answer.
Mr. GOULBURN was desirous of ascertaining at
what period the Noble Lord intended to call on the
House to make provisions for the civil charges of Govern-
ment. At the commencement of the present reign, the
House, in reply to the King's speech, expressed its readiness
to provide the nec-ssary charges of the Civil Governmen
and to maintain the honour and dignity of the Crown. The
Crow❑ hid been provided for, and after a lapse of IS
or 19 months, it appeared that not one step was
taken to provide for the Civil Government. The subject
was very important, inasmuch, as ins'ead of providing for
the Judges, the Ambassadors and other high officers, there
had been only small votes on account.
Lord ALTHORP put it to the candour of the House and

the country whether the peculiar circumstances in which
be had been placed did not excuse him from any apparent
negr'ect.—(Hear, hear.) He felt it necessary that the
question should be settled as early as possible, and
he plefl;,ed himself that it should be settled as
far as could he, during the present Session.
Sir ROBERT PEEL said, that at the commencement
of the present Session, the Crown had recommended
the establishment of a municiple police throughout
the country, to prevent a recurrence of the scenes which
had taken place lately in Bristo ; ndd the House, in
their reply, assured the Crown that they would direct theii
earliest attention to the subject. He u-ithed to ask whe-

tiler the views of Government had been altered by any
local obstructions, or whether it was still intended to
bring some such measure forward.
Lord ALTHORP could not pledge himself as to the
period when he should bring the motion forward, but

could assure the House that the question was in a state of

Forwardness.

Mr. WYNNE wished to know from the Noble Lord
opposite, whether any measures were in progress to enable
bis Majesty to incorporate tne new borough under the Act

now in progress ? If any such measures were about to
be adopted, he thought it was but right that they should
be laid before the 1-hufe.

Lord ALTHORP said that from the wording of one
of the clauses of the Bill, it was necessary that some such
measure should be taken, but be could not say whether
those measures would be tuktn during the preses Session.
Mr. IRVING wished to know whether the Noble
Lord had, as yet, made up his mind to adopt any mea-
sures for carrying the report of the West india Commit-
tee into effect? Another question he wished to put to the
Noble Lord was, thrt a Committee being now sitting to
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inquire into the state of the slaves in the West Indies,
whether it was the intention of Government, during the
sitting of that Commit.eo to suspend the Orders of
Council issued on the 23d of November.

Lord ALTHORP said that wite respect to the first
questiou be would not give any answer. With respect
to the Orders in Council they were law in the Crown co-
lonies, and would not he interfered with ; but in the other
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colonies they could not be persevered in during the sitting
of the Committee.

Mr. BARING, on the motion for bringing up the
report of the Ways and Means Committee, wished to
know whether it was the intention of the Noble Lord to
bring in any Bill this Session with respect to the Rus-
sian loan ; and he also wished to know whether it was
true that this country was under an engagement
for a considerable stun, for the purpose of placing a Ger-
man Prince on the throne of Greece.
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was it would be laid on the table of the House, and then
such measures as were necessary would be brought
forward. Till that period, the payment of the Dutch
Russian would be suspended.--( Hear, hear.)—
with respect to the other question, it was one

relating to negotiations not yet completed, and therefore
he trusted the Hon. Member would not press the subject.
The Report of the Ways and Means Committee
was then brought up by Mr. Bernal, and on the motion
that the House resolve itself into a Committee on the
Scotch Reform Bill,
Sir JOHN WALSH rose and was,

(LEFT SPEAKING.

HOUSE OF LORDS.

Lord SHAFTESBUKY Sat as Speaker a little after Five
o'clock, in the absence of the LORD CHANCELLOR.
Mr. PONSONBY, Mr. HODGSON, Lind STAFLSY, Lord
Moe rrrif, and other Members from the Commons came
❑p with seven private Bills, which were all read a first
time.

The Bishop of DURHAM presented a petitian from
South Shields in favour of the Durham University Bill.
Lord BERESFORD presented a petition from certain
freemen of Berwick-upon-'Tweed, resident in and near
London, praying that they might not be deprived of their
elective franchise. The rights of the freemen of Ber-
wick-upon-Tweed were bestowed upon them by charter,
as rewards for services performed by their ancestors,
in the same way as their Lordships' ancestors had
many of them earned titles and estates for their services.
He could not understand upon what principle of justice
the hereditary privileges of these freemen could
not be taken away from them any more than their
Lordship" titles and estates could be taken from
them. Many of their Lordships were still in possession
of abbey lands granted to their ancestors for their services,
and it behoved them, therefore, to consider well before
they set an example of depriving men of their hereditary
rights.
Lord SELKIRK presented a petition from Glasgow,
praying for enquiring into the state of the Wrst India
colonies.

Lord WINCHELSEA presented a petition from the
parish of Maiden in Kent against the proposed plan of
education in Ireland.

The Marquess of LONDONDERRY presented a peti-
tion from Mr. *Lanes Scott, of Glasgow, against the Re-
form Bill.

Lord RADNOR presented several petitions from
Wandsworth and othe places, praying to be in the borough
near to which they were.