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London, England, 1832-04-12 00:00:00

teeeteci, eflice, fir a populans place;
Timm; while a member ort. the Board of Con-
trol, . was tlected foe a populous place witheur
ntpasitien; and c Not,le Duke opposite, whit.,
S:cretery of State, lind also been elector! for a pepuloti:
place, and recently a Right Hcnnurable Baronet (S:r
e Cam Hobhouse) Tail been re-elect,rl for
Westminster, upan accepting offiee. •So murh
'yr 1.11:e argument that Membere of the tiovernment
would nut be able to get into Parliament under
proposed Bill. He hoped, therefore, that their
letttelehips would give the )3ill the second reading. He
would hot thr,olKeent any imputatine 3, but he earnest's
t-:elled on heir Lordships to consider the vote. •which they
was ght give. Ile was of aninitin that if the Bill were passed
• very port of the Government etteld go on safe
d uomfortable, though be, thought that lUiniste.na-
'weeeld nertainly not lie rot h bed of roses. All the
N:stole Leads opposiec bad expressed au opinion itt
;.:r.-tear of some Reform, anti wished for the Rpf,t-dy settle •
meat of the s(uestion.—(Cheers. ) The Noble Earl who
spoke last was last year opposed ta all Reform, but now
eea. in savour of some Reform. A Noble Duke, the pro.
teritenor of St. :awes, declared that he would never
cetersent that his property to which by law i e was en-
si*.iel should be taken front him against his will.
fly what law that property was eectred to
:;:era, the Neble Duke wouid net state. But
were in favour of seme Reform, and therefore the
aiesnitiort was one of degree. At present they had
ooly to consider none thing, and that was the
Rill now before the House. • Those NIP.s, Lords
who were against the proposed Bill had never favoured
the House with any Reform Bill of their own. It
was true that they were peemi.nd one by the Noble
Duke (Buckingham) but what were the detaile of it he Wal
.ignerent They had tnerefore no option bet tie accept
sae reject the. propuseti Bill, or ii any thing wes two:,
in it, to amend it in Committees.. It was well
aleraed by a Noble Baron last night, that whetever Reform
was granted, whether great or small, could be hest de-
eided in.,C9Elinlittf.N....( Hear.) Why Noble Lorde should
wish
.to reject the Bid without going into Cnretnittee, and
bring.ehe coneequencet eu them all at once, he could not
9inceives unless. it were for the !rawest, of upsetting the
Government._ he. was that tl.e preaert situation of
tlee et:entry called far the immediate adoption of the Bill,
a.ked, whiztkle.it were not much better, instead
et getting up Ist intredace, queetions for -- the
purptose of harassing. • and atexine, thr all parties to
unite in settling this treat anti important question,
erel giving Effect to such meateres as would
insnre ti•c peace ;aid happiness of the country.—
".I.:heere.) lie tendered his sincere rote in fa-
ettur of the Bill, end hoped th t when their
Len:ships coneidered that &very persen who had spoken
in the tielette was a friend to seine Reform, and that there
was no nuance which might not be amended in Com-
mittee, their Lordships would allow the. Bill to be read a
stetond time.

The Dulie of WELLINGTON rose for the purpose of
explitn:ition. The Noble'. Duke hail entirely inis-
nderstood in the extract thit he read fr,,rn
it journal which was .before that Howie. He had not,
read it for ti)e,porpuse of making any personal allusion.,
but simply to .silow that whco a measure wis in-
tzwlireed by Government lit7le hope could be enter-
tained of materially altering it in Committee. We also
uttderstsod. the Noble Duke to say that he had not re-
m,iveir Mr. Aq-.-roo:1 professedly as the deputation of the
Birrninehani, or any other political union.

The Bishop of LINCOLN and Lord Wynford rose at
=thr dime moment, and the latter having given way, the
Right Rev, Prelate proceeded to state, that when he had
been called upon to vote en the Reform Bill of last
Session, he had only a chsice of evils. He felt that he
bed now only a choice of evil., and his cbject woo'd be
new as it was then, to choose, according to tee
of his ability, that which was the lesser evil.
\Vhen the former Bill was brought up into that House the
public mind was in a state of great excitement, and a
season of great exciterneet was of all times the
most unfit for legislating upon any suhject. Although,
therefore, he had not teen insensible to the inconvenience,
evil, and hazards which would arise from the 'wk.
tion of the last Bill, yet he felt that to reject it
was to choose the lesser evil.—(Hear. hear.) The
majority by which that Bill was rejected was com-
posed of two classes, of those who were :unfriendly to
all Reform, and of those who, wh never might be
,he opinion as to the desireebleness of Reform,
yet frit that the time load arrived when a great
change should t -Ice place in the representative state of the
country. He was one of those who was convinced that
the rower of sending representatives to the House of
Uornatons should be conferred on laree manufacturing
end commercial towns, and that there might be
a ,pirtial disfranchisement, according to the suggestion
of the Noble Duke who spoke in the course of this de-
Oa.te. He was one of the number who thought that
a change was demanded in the re.presentetive system. From
t he commencement of the present session he had been looking
with anxiety for some individual introducing a Bill,
founded on principles coincident with his views. Had that
hseii done, when called upon to vote on the second read-
ing of this Bid, he should hare been able to have pointed
to some specific mrasure, and to have stated that it con-
rained his s•-ntiments on the subject of Reform ; and
thus he would have ;,roved he was not unfriendly
to Reform. But his hope in that respect had been dis-
tippointed. No such nwasuie had been introduced, be-
esuse the notice given by the Noble Duke to whom he had
before allte'ed, had conic too late (hear) ; he was therefore
pieced in the seine situation in which lie had been placed
lest year, that is, he must either vote for the
rejection of the Bill, or vote for its going into
Committee, but re) change had taken place since he had
given his former vote. • At that time such was the
eacieenient of the public mind, but the excitement
in favour of -that. particular measure was so great,
that he believed a modification of this Bill would
have been ecarcely lees distasteful to the public
than its rejection. What was the state of the public
mind now ? There existed so intense anxiety for the set.
'lenient of this question, on account of the injury which
would, as long as it existed in suspense, be inflicted on
agriculture], commercial, and menuluctering interests
There existed also a getesral persuasion that the qu- scion
could only be settled by the introduction and by the adop-
tion of some considerable measure of Refurtn. But more-
over there was a growing indiff rence in the public mind to
the present Bill. He had said, that when the Bill was re-
jected on s former occrisiiiii, its mutilation would scarcely
be less distasteful to the public than its complete
rejection ; but the public would at present be satisfied with
any mollification of that measure—(Hear, .hear, from the
Opposition)—which was compatible with the general
principles as they were called of the Bill. The Nob'e Earl
hail stems' that lie would admit of no alteration in the
franchising qualification of great towns. He bad heard
that declaration of the Noble Earl with great regret, and
be hoped that he would be induced to re-consider that ile-
elevation. The few remarks, indeed, which lie had orisred
in order to vindicate his opinion, afforded sufficient ground
to induce the Noble Earl to take that course. In answer to
an objection made to the 101. franchise on the ground of
its uniformity, the Noble Earl had said that although. the
qualification in appearance was uniform, it was not in in
reality. It would have a different operation in. differenf
places—in Liverpool and in London, for instance, that
was the case—but the operation was high ins low
population, and it would be low in a large population. Now
that was precisely the reverse of what it should have been.
The Right Rev. Prelate concluded by stating that while
he would vote for the second reading of the Bill, he could
never give his support to the 101. qualification.
Tile Earl of FALMOUTH would not quarrel with the
Rev. Prelate who had last spoken, for he made his re- ,
marks in such a good humoured macner that no offence
could he taken. Bat his arguments for going into
Gimmittee on this Bill were all old onto, and if
eerriee into effect would lead to vote by ballot.—
(Hear.) He had listened with greet approbation to the
a,gumente put forth by Lord WnarnclitTe in October
late, and he could not come down to the House without
in some measure preparing himself against the argument.
the Noble Laid lied led the House to expect they would
hear from him now he had changed his sentiments on the
Bill. Luckily he bad taken notes of the speech delivered
by the Noble Lord upon the last Bill, and the difference
between it and that of last night caused him great pain.
'she Noble Earl (Grey) said the principles of the Bill were
disfranchisement, enfranchisment, and extenson of the fran-
chise. But, from what he could collect fram hisspeech,on a
recent occasion, he thought that schedules A, B, C, and
D, as well as the 101. clause, were also great prin.
ciples of the Bill, and he was prepared either
to retain them or consider the Bid. The Noble Earl
( Falmouth) then quoted the opinions of Lord Wharn-
cliffe, as delivered by him last Session—" The pros
visions of this Bill were so many attacks upon the
landed interest." He also objected to the large
towns to which the franchise was to be extended,
but more especially to the qualification clause., If the
Noble Lord expected to get rid of 'the twentieth, part of
his tbep object-lima-in Committee he would be most mire-
rably disappointed. As to the ten-pound
.el use, he, ;
lOW said his objections to it were so numerous and
so strong, that no remodelling of it, would satisfy. him
but that Ministers were obliged to stick to that clause by
the Prole, and that even when they attempted to intrc-