The Sun.
London, England, 1835-11-19 00:00:00

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compiaineu 'of were calculated to produce.
the b
'w what was asked for in reference to the congregation
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,Y elonged to was, that official meetings should have
_the
';'ght of determining the amount of punishment to be in-
t,'eled on offenders. Now, that was positively denied by
e Preachers. In the next place, those calling the meeting,
'nought that they had a right to interfere in any circurn-
titan
eeS.connected with the body, whether it existed among
heir oW n, or with their neighbours. This was denied them.
sthey next thought that the regulation referring to the trial
°,f Preachers, according to the arrangement of 1795,
should be acted upon, and that no Court of preachers
Ithj:uld be constituted for the trial of a preacher.—
k near, hear, hear.) They thought that the trustees,
steWards, and leaders should be introduced into those meet-
'tilgs, that the accused preachers should have the advan-
:.ge of a court so constituted.—(Cheers) They also
'shed to be allowed to express their sentiments at their
9oarterly meetings, without being fettered—(Cheers)—as
..° any rule, law, or . regulation which was to be brought.
'uto exercise with reference to the body.—(Cheers.) This
ralso denied them. In the next place, they thought
bet the. Tished,heological Institution ought not to have
ell establ without taking the sense of the
'ngregation. With respect to the expulsion of mem-
, 'l, it, had been said by many of the preachers that. no
aan had been improperly expelled. Mr. Taylor had told
itlio so himself ; and upon that statement being made to him
'",iir* King), he answered that he could not only prove that an
ividual, but that many individuals had been expelled the
!aonection for breaking no law of Christ, but merely break-
bhuman law.—(Cheers.) They had been expelled merely
ecause they had perhaps attended a meeting like the pre-
°t, or bad been a party in calling one.—(Cries of
t'halne."), No such a system as that, he contended, ounbt
I.:P'sl.--(Cheers.) He would read to the meeting. sevc-
th 'asea of expulsion -He did not take those cases from
-"e Chriitian Advocate, but if he had, he should not think
the
w°rse of them.—(Cheers) Mr. King then read the
pls of several ministers and trustees that had been ex-
an4fited from chapels at Manchester, Liverpool, Warminster,
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etseYeral .other places. These were only samples of
ta•hlbe coul., produce many more, but he woul not de-
ow meeting with them. He would now padss to his
ese which would illustrate to a certain extent those he
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f„. Lalready read. He had had the misfortune, if that it
lt he called—(Hear)—of falling under the displeasure
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Preachers. Now he would say, and be trusted in
it that he had the response of his own mind, that as
thpe 'in beloved them, and would do all in his power to serve
they
W (Cheers)—but when they were pursuing the course
to 3' ere now doing, he would be found the last man
he aid or support them.—(Cheers.) In saying this
tkeliat be understood as having as strong an
, bent to Methodism as be had at the first moment
°ecturne associated with the Methodist body.—
14-„astill had as strong an attachment as ever for
IfeTodism, not as it is, but as it was.—(Great cheering.)
became connected with this Association, or rather with
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10 fr Lendsibefore they formed themselves into an Association
ill talsequence ,of the expulsions that had taken place.
%:," naturally felt concerned about them, thinking the
ko'Nact of the preachers with reference to those expulsions
4,4llWarrantable and unjustifiable.—( Cheers.) Himself
lie, his friends whom he saw around him thought it their
itlnuea duty to issue their first declarations. They then
r?",,ed their friends with information of what took place.
ki found a response of no insignificant number to our
aPation—(Cheers)— and he hesitated not to say,
of t;gli the preachers might state they thought ill
14,1_4, that they saw there was truth and justice
f,ige concessions which they asked for.—(Cheers.) His
-4(IS and himself thought at first that they would not
44:tent themselves before the public in an associated form,
ken,_ Possibility, an arrangement could be made with the
11.4,"'11er, without resorting to such a course. An address
the prepared for the Conference, stating the complaints
N'.had to make: The subject of the expulsion of persons
('ll Introduced to the Conference by Mr. Eckett. The
hf„
•ence lasted three hours, and the preachers in the
I"lent had not a leg to stand upon, with reference to the
they now claimed to expel members.—(Cheers.)
'1 s- own rules condemned them—for by those rules
1:10;a!' provided- that no trustee, leader, or steward,
'ik"i 1,,,u be expelled from his place without a majority of the
tbisi,.oseetinr,.—(;Cheers.) The preachers only got over
tlleg toying the rules had never been acknowledged. by
pia 'llferenca.--(Shame.) After this the Conference
keeit;,.° they could spare us another opportunity. they would
'vet never
again upon other• points. This opportunity how-
the Minutes
was given. The deputation waited patiently for
filCmoutes of Conference, and when they appeared it was
k'4"' that when any thing was said by the deputation that
\Ce',4liked by the Conference they could- not hear them.
Gteaeers and laughter.) They determined that the
bar hers should have the power of expulsion, and that
keetP, readers might invalidate any thing done at a leader's
(ehe'ng.--(Shame.). He was horror-struck at this.—
/i4tt,PsL) What were the leaders? Men appointed to
Ikkria-4 °Vet' the souls of their fellow-creatures ; and yet with
klsre.„e nod horror he spoke it, they were to be left to the
Plah„„'",°f four preachers.—(Great cheering.) He corn-
N,tr of the manner of memorialising the Conference, as
(:i„ 'eyed it to be anything but what it ought to. be.—
s.) Now, he had no hesitation in saying, if two.
4epe" Were yielded, the right of the official meeting,. with
ktiii,,",eo to the expulsion of members and the sight to me-
k,,,q,-re the Conference upon all subjects, that the present
thi;t,gYrould never have taken place.—(Great cheering.)
tlity':'°*ever, was denied them, and therefore it was that
,i'very-PPealed to their Wesleyan brethren, determined at
Point to try the strength of the thing.—(Much
tt) Then-it was the present Association was
,40113 lated, and a meeting of its friends was called to
!'ll,i'Yliat had been done. For calling that meeting
,I4tal-fi`` fallen under the wrath and displeasure of the super-
miraltj,a,nt preacher. That person called on him (Mr. King)
It'sned him to desist from the course he was pursuing. He
~Fhunbosomed his mind to him, and told him that
'lrede°,old show that the preachers had the right from the
'4l °` God to act as they had done, in expelling worthy
tad ?right men, he would make all the apology he could,
11 ‘'"lllwithdraw himself altogether from the connec-
,
ilit;" had formed.—(Cheers.) To this he said as to
p~lt is not necessary to go into that now—
a,t:,'ter)-lut he thought he could, if there was time,
(011 at the preachers had the authority from Scripture.
1:!'s of oh, oh!) He (Mr. King) denied that any
ililtili"'lllority existed, and, in the absence of proof, he
et not yield to it.—( Loud cheers.) He then said
0:11tile Y had the' authority from other Churches,
"e (Mr. King) strenuously denied ; and defied
Gt,laa tone proof: (Her considerable confusion
t4ti,
itsiconserguen—ceofae
Mr. Day, who was in the
liter°l the chapel, insisting upon addressing the meeting.
s/i, !der had been restored, Mr. king procceded.)-7.
etlriled that any Church had such a power, except it
kt,,'e Catholic Church.—(Cheers.) After this, he was
Ratedfled before a Leader's Meeting, his case was investi-
-1:1 he was found guilty of having called a meeting.
kr• s great offenee—(Laughter)Mr.' Taylor, the
k'ad , cudent preacher, with the most apparent ease of
said that I was no longer a member of the Methodist
Shame shame.) He was denied the sacrament,
111(liti,,,the_reliiious rights conferred upon them. Notwith-
,t,'a, . this, he had continued to attend the chapel
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4t`' au'lday, 'and in spite of all, he still, and ever
so, consider himself a Wesleyan Methodist.
c,ciat'`'on now was what were the intentions of the
it:14.10,16n ? They thought they had a right to concern
to tf" in any case which concerned the body, accord-
he le law of 1795. These were their rights, and they
I:tertnined to obtain them, and then join the body
''.--(Cheerso
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3', `" I,ETT then came forward. He said be thought it
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in opening that evening, to travel for a short dis-
J same road as he had done at the former meet-
(hit 00 0 thought it was absolutely necessary to communi-
Q, 1e nation, through the Press, what Methodism was,
feat It now is. Mr. Wesley, being the founder of the
',i',llle,n.'°ied absolute authority over both preachers and
,41). ,,et ressing the grievances of both. After the death
h`Vesley, there had been no man to fill his place.
\'.kl;i'''Y (in the body of the meeting)—The preachers
1)14ee•
'tlqii,eaUSed some slight confusion, as did the worthy
11,41 r, *throughout the night.
at etETT—That was not the first time that it had
Clolited to put him down by uproar of that sort,
tote triad no effect upon him. After Mr. Wesley's death,
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e,,,,11:0 man to fill his place—in the nature of things
Ce -`(' be none—but shortly after that event the Con-
\lP4Sed such 'authority.
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bInP, ^lc--Mr. Wesley gave it them.
Ott "ETT—The interrupter did not understan.l the
Which he presumed to speak. How could Mr.
)1,,,Y?,_°,1,,,e such authority without the consent of the So-
pro-ek-;lleers.) When men come forward. to interrupt
140 hp "(bog's, they should take care to inform their
tyhtti°tnadie question of the rights of men and Christians,
it,,ehrs .h_jeY Might do so Without hazarding ignorance.—
at er ;'nu, laughter.) Mr. Wesley could not give such
I,,thev-o the conference ; however, whether they had it or
assumed the power, and exercised it, but people
I'n'fested that they would not submit to such autlio-
ki‘Ntl,leti sent remonstrances to the Conference year after
as were held for the purpose of abrogating such
4,:z and the Conference were obliged, according to its
lt,6lllents, to give up the greater part of its authority.
Read such documents if you can produce tla m.
h "'ETT—For the information of the gentleman, wl:o
t'tittl,ll ogterill tlisiet, he would read the passage.—[Tl..e
kk,' of t• t eman then read a long passage from the mi-
q, 0411 e ecnference of 1797, to show that such power
61t iku,'n'lll).]---Then, according to that passage, whei e
\44::-Power to rest now. Did it rest with-the Cor.-