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Marquis of SALISBURY moved that this Bill be re-
committed ;c.-morrow.
I'hd Bsri of lrylf STMOREL AND said a few words in
opposition to the Bill; boo in a very low tone of voice.
The Marquis of SALISI3I32.Y said it .was his intention to
move the insertion of a Compensation Clause in the Com-
mittee to-morrow.
The mctlon was then put and agreed to.
IMPRISONMENT FOR DEBT BILL:
Lord A S 1113 IT RT 0 ist presented two petitions against the
Bill for the Abolition of Imprisonment for Debt, and regretted
that the Noble and Learned who introduced the Bill was
not present. Although he understood that their Lordships
did not intend to proceed with the Bill during the pre-
sent session, he thought that the petitions were of such
importance as to deserve the attention of their Lordships.
The petitioners pointed out the injurious consequences of
the Bill, which they contended would utterly destroy the
existinir system of credit, and he ttoted the Noble and
Learned' Lord would attend to these petitions. . One wasfrorn
the Chamber of Commerce of Manchester, which_ Tis
well
worthy their Lordships' attention, and nothing could be
ably argued than= the question by the petitioners, and a stronger
authority could not be presented to their Lordships against it.
This would now be taken up early in the next Session, and if
the Bill were sent up to a Committee, no doubt justice would
be done. The next petition was signed by 2,000 tradesmen
of the City of Westminster, praying to be heard by Counsel
against the Bill, a prayer which had been refused by the House
of Commons.

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Lord LYNDHURST presented a petition from the Mer-
chants and traders of Kingston-upon- Hull. , Whatever dis-
position their Lordships might entertain towards the Bill, he
thought it impossible to dispose of the Bill with pro-
priety this Session. He was totally unbiassed in this
question, and hoped that the Bill would be sent to a Com-
mittee above stairs, and upon the result of that enquiry would
depend his opinion.
Lord BROUGHAM said that he had no doubt of the res-
pectability of the petitioners who signed, the petitions pre-
sented by both his Noble Friends. He did not deny, hut
entirely agreed with his Noble Friend that this Bill
would produce an extreme change in law. He most deeply
regretted to sec that there was so much foundation for
the remark of the Noble and Learned Lord respecting
the late period of the session, because it was important that this
Bill should not be delayed longer than was necessary, the
BM having received already more than ordinary consideration
from the other House of Parliament. In consequence of the
great complexity of the Bill, and the late period of the
Session., he was afraid that they would be obliged, on his
part most reluctantly, to postpone this Bill. What he would
suggest was this, that this Bill should originate in this House
next Session. The other House had examined this subject,
and this House might take it up whero the other had Jett

IWEIGHTS AND MEASURES' BILL.
The Earl of DEVON moved that this Bill be committed.
The Marquis of SALISBURY must oppose this Bill
at -petteent.—( Hear.) This Bill had occupied the
House of Commons now for two Sessions, and was
it to be su
pptLsed that their Lordships could at this
late period of the Se.:.si°n go through and give this Bill that
consideration which it so well deserved ?—( Hear, hear.)
fairly, but he must certainly
He did not mean to act th.T.
press that the Bill be sent r, a Committee up stairs,
from which it could not be expected to ;tome in time for legis-
lation this year. Let his Noble Friend no withdraw it, and
he (the Marquis) would give h'.in all the assistance in his
power.
The Earl of DEVON thought it would be better to allow
the Bill to pass during the present Session than to leave the
matter another year in abeyance. It would be most injurious
to the interests of trade if the Bill was postponed, and so far as
he knew of its details, he denied it was an alteration in the present
standard of weights and measures. He trusted, therefore,
their Lordships would allow the Bill to be committed.
The Duke of RICHMOND thought the Bill was of too
much importance to be delayed another Session The former
Bill was most unpopular, and he hoped, under these cir-
cumstances, their Lordships would now allow the Bill to be
committed instead of referring it to a select Committee up
stairs. He felt that there was a necessity to pass this mea-
sure, for, if they did net, great hardship would be inflicted on
many farmers and tradesmen in the country, who had purchased
such weights and measures as were prescribed in this Bill, on
the conviction that it would pass. lii consequence of the pre-
sent state of things—there being two systems of weights and
measures—considerable difficulty arose ; they must, therefore,
;el- the public convenience, •either pass this measure or repeal
the- former Act on the subject.
The Marquis of SALISBURY hoped the Bill would be
referred toe Select Committee, and that they would have
power to exae7ine evidence if necessary.
The Committe: was, after some consideration, postponed to
to-morrow.
presented a petition from Ware-
•
The Earl of RADNOR.
ham, in favour of the 111 unit;
CHARITY COMMI; SIGNERS' BILL.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNL moved the second read-
ing of this Bill.
Lord LYNDHURST objected to ler:Weeding with this
measure. The object pf it was to appoint thirty commis-
sioners to inquire into charities. Certainly no: all of them
were to be paid commissioners, but twenty out of the thirty were
to receive salaries.--( Hear, hear.) The Bill originated
in
the recommendation of a Committee of the other House at
the head of this Committee was a gentleman learned in the
law, and of great Parliamentary tOent and information, but
who entertained strong feelings on Shis subject. They had
not the evidence on which the Committ,ie of the other House
proceeded to recommend a legislative enactment. They had
prove the no evidence—they had heard no statement 1.11
ne-
cessity of a measure of this nature, or to show the propriety
of agreeing, at this late period of the session, to this' Bill. In
the absence, therefore, of such statement and such sevidence,
he was not disposed to accede to the second reading of a Bill
to pay twenty Commissioners to inquire into the charities, of
England and Wales.—( Hear, bear.) The Bill had also
passed through the other House without any discussion what-
ever. They should have had the necessary evidence laid be-
fore them, or at least the Noble Marquis should have made a
statement on the subject ; but as this had not been done, he
considered it his duty to oppose the Bill.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE was prepared to admit
that the appointment of so large a number of Commissiooers,
with salaries, was likely to attract the attention of the House,
and, above all, of the Noble and Learned Lord ; but those
who bad requested him to take charge of this Bill had stated
a ground for having such a large number of Commissioners,
which, lie thought, would prove as satisfactory to their Lord-
ships as it had been to himself. The Bill was the result of an
investigation before a Committee of the House of Commons,
which had been appointed to see how the important inquiry
entrusted to the former Charity Commissioners could .be
brought to a close. The opinion of that Committee was, that
it was expedient to appoint such a large number of Com-
missioners as would enable them to conclude the inquiry
within a short period, and with this view the Bill limited the
time during which they should receive any emoluments to the
Ist of March, 1837- Under the circumstances, he thought
there could be little doubt as to the propriety of appointing
a large number of Commissioners. There were six counties
of England, and the same number of counties in Wales, the
charities of which had not been investigated, and by adopting
the Bill the inquiry was likely to be completed in the short-
est possible time. Ile was not able to say whether or not
the Bill had- been adopted without discussion in the other
House, but he inIS sure that was a circumstance which at no
time could have weight with their Lordships, nor ought it
to influence them is their estimation of a measure sent up
from that place. The Bill was the result of inquiry before a
Committee of the House of Commons, and if their Lordships
required evidence to support it, it would be easy to procure
the evidence and the Report of the Committee on which it was
founded. If, however, the ev'elence end report could not
he obtained, lie would cot ask the House, then, to pass the
Bill. It would be with great regret that he acceded to a
stop being put to this Bill, for he was Sure that every Noble
Lord present must desire as much as he did that the inquiry
into charities should be completed. If the Bill were with-
drawn, he trusted that there would be no objection to proceed
with it at an early period of next session.
Lord LYNDHURST then moved that the Bill be read
that day three- months.
Lord BROUGH A M thought that there was some ground
in :he objection of his ?Table atmd Learned Friend, namely,
against the appointment without inquiry of forty-four per-
sons With salaries, twenty of whom were Commissioners,
and the ,c..tmainder were clerks. He trusted that his Noble
Frit:ad would not press his motion at present,
and Learnesl
but wait till n eurselsy, and is the mean time look over the
evidence taken '-fore the other House. Everybody must
adrait, that the charity inquiry should be brought to a con-
clusion. He was no: aware that the mode recommended in
the Bill ass the beSt mode of inquiry, and if it went on, he
was very likely to propose yeat alterations in it; at any rate
he should propose three adelitional clauses to it. In con-
clusion, he hoped that his Noble And Learned Friend
would wait till he had seen the Report G.,' the Committee and
the evidence, and if he was not then satis.ied, he could pro-
pose the rejection of the Bill.
Lord LYNDHURST had been informed that the evidence
taken before the Committee of the other House Lad not been
printed. He did not think they ought to proceed with a mea-
sure of this nature at such a late period of the Session. The
Noble Viscount opposite knew better than lie( Lord Lyntilmrst )
did when the prorogation would take place, but he. stippoeed
they could not continue to sit there after Thursday wee's.
),:ecount M ELBOURNE observed, that if the manner of
pro:tee:liege with the inquiry was right, the sooner they got
through
ny
the better. He did not understand that there were
a sous Objections to the- mode of inquiry, therefore he did
sei
not undeestatsd ivhy the Commissioners should not be appointed
at once. 'ilte inquiry would be completed when the charities
of the few remaining counties were investigated ; and it was
thought advisab2e that this should be done with as little delay
as possible. With' that view it was considered the hest course
to appoint a certain number of Commissioners who were to
„.'thin a certain periods If the Noble
complete the inquiry
and Learned Lord object,ld to the mode of inquiry, there was
good
tit he Bill ; but if be did not, then he
saw no ground for op
reason p osing
why the goble .and Learned Lord should resist
itsassieg into a law.
The Marquis of LANSDOW'NE then moved that the
order of the day be discharged, and mast-age sent to the
ether House for a copy of the-evidence taken before the Com-
mittee of that House—Agreed to.
WAGES (SCOTLAND) IiILL.
On the Order of the Day for the second :gang of this
Bill being read,
Lord BROUGHAM said that he bad two petitions Against
the Bill; but he. had no objection to the second rcad:ng, in
order that they might have an opportunity of examining it.
The Bill was then read a second time.
MUNICIPAL CORPORATIONS REFORM BILL.
s.
On ,;:e motion of Lord MELBOURNE, the Order of the
re-committal of the Bill was these read.
Day for the
Clauses 1 to J were agreed to with some verbal amend-

ments.
On the sth clause {nib,: read,
The Duke of WELL INOTON said, that the °pc:Alen of
this clause was to place certain ;arts of towns, which ev^re at
present under the jurisdiction of the Corporations, under the
jurisdiction of the justices of the Counties. Hitherto the
Cinque Ports were Co; orations, and all who lived within
them were under the jurisdiction of those Coreoratiens. This
Bill acted differently regard to those Corporations.
Some were placed in schedule A, others were placed in sche-
dule B, which at present had a Recorder and Justices of their
own, while some of them were noi. mentioned at all in the
Bill. But besides those Corporations, there were other towns
of some magnitude, which, although not Corporations, wero •
within the jurisdiction, and subject to some one of the Cinque
Ports. Thus Margate was subject to Dover, .ant! Rareszate
was subject to Sandwich. The effect of the Bill was ic` does
those towns within the jurisdiction of the. counties; lau:
thought tly.t they ought to remain under the jurisdiction of
the Cinque Ports. In those towns which were
the jurisdiction of the Cinque Ports, the Lord Warden was int
the habit of appointing justices of the peace; but they had n 4
juris&etion within the corporate towns, and had no power at
the Quarter Sessions. All he wanted was to reserve to those
corporate towns tehich had Recorder's Courts and Justices, the
administration of justice as heretofore, and also the administra.
tion of justice within the other towns which were within theft
ancient jurisdiction, and he had prepared clauses to that effect.
Lord LThiprjua's-r- see-ee'--:LA that it might be best tt)
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