The Sun.
London, England, 1832-07-13 00:00:00

DOUSE OF LORDS, JULY 12.

Lord KENYON presented a petition from the in-
habitants of Marylebone, praying for an extension of the
time for registering.
Lord PLUNKET presented a petition in favour of the
Irish System of Education. The same Noble and Learned
Lord presented a petition from (as we understood him)
the Moderator of the Presbytery of Munster, which
he said might he considered as representing the opinions of
the principal Ptotestant Dissenters in the South of Ireland,
Lord ORIEL presented a petition from a parish in
Sligo, against the new system of Irish Education.
Lord WHARNCL[FFE presented a petition from
Westminster, and the inhabitants within the bills
of mortality, in favour of the Birmingham and
London Railway Bill. The Noble Lord brought up the
Report of the Committee on the Railway Bill, which he
begged to read to their Lordships• The Report stated
tl:e Committee had examined the Bill, bad considered the
petitions for it, had heard Counsel in support of it,
and that it did not appear to the Committee that the peti-

tioners had made out a sufficient case to entitle them to
call upon Parliament to authori,e the carrying of the
Railway through the lands through which it was proposed
to take it; therefore, the Committee had not thought it

right to proceed further.
SCOTCH REFORM BILL.

The Report of the Scotch Reform Bill being brought up,
The LORD CHANCELLOR moved several amend-
ments, chiefly verbal, which were agreed to.
The Earl of HADDINGTON, for the purpose of re-
cording his sentiments in their Lordships' Journals, moved
several amendments which he had already proposed in-
effectually in Committee.
The amendments were negatived without discussion.

The Earl of HADDINGTON proposed several verbal
amendments, with the view of having them recorded on
the Journals. The Noble Eal also expressed a wish that
the county Members for Scotland should have a sufficient
qualification to entitle them to seats i❑ the House of
Commons.

The E al of ROSERERY objected to any such amend-
ments as likely to the nugatory.
The amendments were then negatived without a division.
The Duke of HAMILTON was anxious to exclude

the Scotch Clergy from voting at elections, in order to se-
cure them from political or party conflicts. He wished
them to be confined to the discharge of their religious duties.
The LORD CHANCELLOR said, as the Bill had come
up to this House without excluding them, it would now
be invidious to do so. .

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The Report was then brought up and agreed to, and the
third reading fixed (as we were informed by one of the
officers of the House) tor to-morrow.
APPELLATE JURISDICTION BILL.

Upon the Order of the Day being read for the third
reading of this Bill,
The Marquess of WESTMEATH said that in his opi-
nion the Bill was altogether unnessary. The Court of
Delegates was constituted by Commissions for particular
cases, and it was only necessary to cease issuing those
Commissions for the Court itself to cease. The Bill was,
besides, in his opinion, a delusion, and would not effect
the benefits promised from it.
The LORD CHANCELLOR thought that a system of

delegation which had existed since the middle of the six-
teenth century could not properly be abolished without an
Act of Parliament. It would only give thirty or forty
days' additional work to the Privy Council.
Lord WYNFORD did not mean to oppose the Bill be-
fore the House. A worse consituted Court than the Court
of Delegates did not exist. He had been a member of
this Court, and was therefore competent to speak upon
the subject.
The Marquess of WESTMEATH was not satisfied of
tho excellence of the Bill by anything he had heard from
the Noble and Learned Lords.yebmr
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postpone it and draw a new Bill.

The LORD CHANCELLOR observed that the Bill
had heen most carefully drawn, and to prevent suitors go-
ing to the expense of preparing for a Court which would
not again be constituted, it was desirable that the Bill
should be now passed. It was also necessary as a warn-
ing to the Privy Council to make preparations for the
new jurisdiction.
The Bill was then read a third time and passed.
Adjourned.

A WET REFORMER.—A stanch Reformer,
in conversation with a friend (a respectable surveyor in
town,) the subject being the wet meeting at the approach-
ing national jubilee, put the following question ;—Pray,
Mr.—. if it were possible to make a punch bowl as
large as the copula on the top of the Register-office, how
many bottles of punch would it contsin ?-111 tell you
that to-morrow, for I have its dimensions at home, was
the reply, The following day the answer returned was
as under

The diameter of the cupola is 5O feet
The rise of do.
The contents in cubit feet 23,823
Imperial gallons
Bottles, six to the gallon
Being more than a bottle to each male in Scotland who
is qualified to appreciate the merits of the Reform Bill,
or who is a judge of whisky punch. The fractions are
omitted._Edinburgh Advertiser.
Aldgate parish eighteen per-
sons have died of cholera since Friday; of these, four were
buried in the same grave, in Aldgate church-yard, on
Monday evening, and a quantity of lime was thrown on
each body to hasten the progress of decomposition. Two
Irishwomen died, after a few hours' illness, in Cartwright-
square, a filthy and close neighbourhood, contiguous to
RoseMary.lane, on Tuesday morning. Sunday afternoon
a foreign sailor, named FREDERICKS, aged 30, was seized
with cholera, while partaking of some refreshment at a
public-house near the Thames Police-office ; he was
instantly removed to the workhouse in a cradle, and
within three hours was dead and buried. A respectable
middle-aged woman, the wife of a tradesman in the same
parish, died on Sunday morning, after a f-w hours' illness.
Her case was decided by the medical gentlemen to be one
of malignant blue cholera. A man and his wife with their
two children were landed from a Scotch smack by a wa-
terman named BAILEY, at Hermitage Stairs, Wapping, on
Monday afternoon, and took up their abode at a public-
house in St. George's in the East, a short distance from
the stairs, where they partook of tea, which they had
scarcely finished when the husband was attacked with
cholera.: A medical gentleman promptly attended, but his
patient expired during the night. The cholera has also
recently made sad havoc amongst the watermen in the
neighbourhood of Rotherhitbe, Bcc.

COMMISSION OF LUNACY.

(Continued from The Sun of yesterday.)
MISS BAGSTER'S CASE.

Dr. Haslam, examined by the CHIEF COMMISSIONER
—I have seen the young lady, Miss Bagster. Mrs. Bag-
sloe was present at :he whole interview. I would not see
Mrs. Newton alone, as I thought it best I should see her
in the company of others. I asked her if she had been
religiously brought up. She said, " She had been a fre-
quenter of the church, and an observer of its forms;''

those are her express words. I asked her if she had
'earned music; she said she had, but had made hut little
progress; she disliked it, though fond of music when
played by others ; and then added, that she had been very
negligent, and also negligent respecting arithmetic. On
this subject, I merely asked her how many two and two
made, and she readily replied four. I then said, " I
understood, Madam, you are very rich ; how much
.re you worth ?" She answered, " I cannot tell."
I asked, Did you never see your grandfather'►
will ? " She replied, " Never ; nor any other will."
" Was it never shown or read to you ?" Answer, " Ne-
ver." I said, " Madam, do you purchase yourself those
articles of dress or ornament you may require ?" She
answered " No." I inquired, " Who does ?" and she
said, " Mamma." I said, "Do you ❑ever go a shopping
like other ladies, and buy any thing you may want ?"
She said, " I never lay out any money." When I ques.
tinned her about amusements, she said she was very fond
of the theatres, and preferred comedy—that she had been
.o Covent-garden, Drury-lane, and some of the minor
theatres. She said she had never been at the Opera, and
that she had not learned Itali n. I asked had she learned
French. She answered, " A little at school." I then
said " Quel age avec vans, Madame;" but received no
reply ; and I said, " Tell me in English what I said in
French ;" and she replied, " Sir, you asked me how
old I was." We conversed about books, and she said
she preferred novels. When I inquired what she had read
last, she told me Eugene Aram. I said I had not
read it, and she answered " he was executed for the
murder of Daniel Clarke." I then said, " I shall pro-
bably make you another visit, if you will permit me."
The answer was " I shall be happy to see you. You
have asked me no improper questions." I then took my
leave, and went with Mr•. Bagster into another
room. Mrs. Bagster immediately shut the door, and
said, " She is very suspicious. She varies a good deal—
to- day she has been very collected." I then left, and my
next visit was on the 23d of June. My first question
was, " When your grandfather was Lord Mayor, were
you put out of the way, or introduced to the com-
pany that visited him ?" She replied, " I was never put
out of the way, but always introduced." I asked if she
was at the feast at Guildhall on Lord Mayor's Day. Her
answer was, " Yes, and I was introduced to Lord Wel-
ington." " Did you dance at the ball ?"—Answer,
" Yes, with a gentleman who appeared to be an officer.
I danced a great deal till I was quite tired." I then said,
" Did Lord Wellington or your partner treat you as if you
were a fool and an idiot ? She said, " No, they treated
me with great respect." My next question was,
" Madam, do you know the gentlemen who lately came
and asked you a variety of questions." She replied
" No, but I was told they were friends of Alderman
Kelly." I then said, " Madam, you have been de-
ceived ; they are all of them doctors—mad-doctors, and I
am one myself.—(A laugh.) She here became very
much affected, wept, and said " I hope you do net
think me a fool ; I have sense enough to know that I
am not so clever as many other persons, but I am no
fool, and I hope, Sir, you do not think me a fool."
I said by no means. She then continued, and
said—" 1 know that my grandpapa's fondne.s spoiled
me; he told be would leave me a fortune, and I
am sensible that I have neglected my learning." I said,
" At our last meeting you inquired who I was, and I gave
you my card,—permit me to return the compliment, and
ask you who you are ? She answered, " Miss Bagster."
" Then, Madam," said I, "you are a single lady ?" She
replied, "Yes." I said, "Madam, do you mean to say
that you were never married ?" She then looked at the
nurse, and at last said, "I am not married." I then said.
" When it was time to go to bed, did you sleep alone ?"
She replied, " No." I then asked, " Now, Madam,
having been virtuously and religiously tutored, would you
go to bed with any man not your husband ?" She be•
came dreadfully agitated, and my conversation was for
some moments interrupted in consequence. I then asked,
" Do you know the names of the officers who separated
you from your husband?" She said, " Richmond was
one." I asked, " Did you separate quietly from Mr.
Newton ?" She said, "No, I struggled and resisted as
long as I could." I then said, " Madam, do you wish to
know the accrual situation in which you are placed ?" She
said, " Yes." I then said, " Then in a few days you
will be brought before a Jury of gentlemen who will meet
by the direction of the Lord Chancellor, to inquire whe-
ther you are a fool and an idiot, and although of age, yet
incapable of being married to any other person, or using
the fortune left you by your grandfather, and deprived of
the liberty exercised by a human being. When you an
examined, that is, when °wee gentlemen of the jury ask
you questions, you must not conceal the truth, and if any
one has advised or instructed you to conceal the truth,
you must not tell the jury a falsity knowing it to be such.
Some of those doctors who have visited you as friends of
Alderman Kelly, have stated you to be incompetent and a
fool." She shed tears and took my band, and with great
earnestness and in a plaintive tone said, " You knew my
dear grandfather I hope, Sir, you will be my friend."
She then said she felt very nervous, and requested, if I
would not object, to have a glass of wine, which she took.
The nurse was by the whole time, from the commence
went to the conclusion. I saw her again on the 26th of
June. I said, "Madam, I understand you are displeased
with me for telling you the situation in which you are
placed, and that you were very violent after I left you."
She replied, " No, I was not violent, was I, nurse?" The
nurse replied, " No, only agitated." I said, " Now, Madam,
if you were going in a path where there was a viper's nest,
and I cautioned you not to proceed in that direction, you
might be alarmed and agitated at the information, but you
could not be displeased." She replied, " Certainly not." I
then said, " Having acquainted you with the proceedings in
Chancery against you, and the consequences if you are found
to be a❑ idiot, I hope on this explanation you are not of
fended with me." She replied "On the contrary, Sir, I
fell very much obliged to you." In answer to a question
put by me, she said she had never been at a boarding
school, nor ever been allowed to have money. Of her own
accord she lamented her deficiencies in arithmetic, and
her ignorance of the value of money. I asked, "Do you
think you could now acquire it under proper tuition ?"
She answered, " Yes, under proper tuition, and being
allowed to have money and to keep accounts, I have no
doubt I could learn like other persons; but my grandfather
was so fond of me that he would not allow the teachers to
snub me for neglecting my lessons." This is the last of

my interviews.
Mr. Commissioner WHITMAKSII—Are you then able
to form a correct judgment upon the state of this lady's
mind

Witness—Perfectly.
Mr. WHITMA !LSI-I-What, then, is you opinion ?
Witness—She is not a lunatic, she is not a idiot, nor is
she of unsound mind ?
Mr. Commissioner WHITMARSH—How do you cha-
racterize her mind ?
Witness—She is a person whose education has been
grossly neglected.
Mr. Commissioner WHITMARSII•••••NOW I beg to ask
you, Dr. flaslam, in a legal sense, do you think this young
lady is of sound or of unsound mind ?
Witness—She is not of unsound mind.
Cross-examined by Mr. Pou.ocx—ls she of sound
mind ?
Witness—l never saw a person of sound mind.—
(Laughter.)
Mr. Pouncx—Do you mean that as an answer to my
question ?
Witness—l presume, Sir, that the Deity is of sound
mind, and he alone.
Mr. PoLtocx—The Deity is of sound mind ! Is that
your answer ?
Witness—l presume the Deity alone to be of sound

mind.
Mr. POLLOCK—How came you to be of that opinion ?
Where did you learn it? How long have you been a mad
Doctor ? _ . .

Witness—l learned it after forty years' reflection, and
after frequent conversations with the best divines in the

country.
Mr. POLLOCK-I ask you, is that young lady of sound
mind?
Witness—Competently sound.
Mr. PoLLocx—ls she able to take care of herself, or
to manage her affairs ?
Witness-1 do ❑ot know what affairs she has to man sgc.
I am unacquainted with her affairs.
Mr. POLLOCK-is she competent to act as the mistress
of a family?
Witness (after a short pause)—When she is properly'
instructed, 1 presume she is. flaying never been allow,d
the use of money, under such disabilities she cannot exe-
cute the trusts of a mistress of a family.
Mr. Pot.Locx—Do I understand, that with the ex-