The Sun.
London, England, 1832-07-06 00:00:00

Right Hon. Member for Talnwortli, in a Parliament
,-hisper, said I envoi the table, `• Do you remember your
‘eeeh in 1823 ?" Who was there that did not remember
t? But with what consistency did the Right Hon. Gen-
lem .n t ilk of Reform in the Church one day, and pro-
loce such a mock.-ry as this on another ? These measure
ere mere importune. They would hut aggravate the evil.
You will but (a new word might he fahricat-d for socl,
proceedings), you will hut " East Retfordise" the
Church.—(Cheers.)
•

Mr. GALLEY KNIGHT had heard no arguments
rom the Rilht Hon. G ntleman whieh ought to indure
the Howe not to consider the plan of the Right Hon.
Gentleman. He approved of the Wan or commuting the
-ithes for a redeemable land tax Titles did nit belong to
e people, and t"nse wlm took them were robbers. If
•he payment were divested of its religious aharacter, it
vouid not be unpopular. He would support the first Bid
,roonsed by the Right Hon. Gentleman, though he could
n,t commit hims,lf to any ultet int. measure.

Mr. RUTH VEN referred to the late declaration of Mi-
nisters Chit tithes were to be extinguished, and to which
they h4i now affixed a meaning never before known or
heard t.f. The erwporation4 proposed were formed in the
spirit of the darkest ages, and only reeemhi"d the monas-
teries of the old tim,.s. This system would require a new
army and a new notice force to sustain it. H. regretted
that this measure had been brought forward, and hoped that
.he Right Hon. Secretary would not pt., ss it to a conclu-
sion.

Mr. GOULRURN said the Resolutions pledged the
[Luse to an unequivocal destruction of the whole system
of tithes.—(No, no, from the Ministerial Benches.) The
plan of the Right Hon Gentleman pressed MOW: severely
on the clergy, and he boned that, at all events, they would
be provided with a c,,mfortable subsistence. He saw no-
thing in the objections of the II n. Member for Louth
(Shell) to induce him to change his opinion, or abssain
from supporting the measure of the Government, for giv-
ing the clergy of the Established Church a proper support,
through the means of an equivalent for tithes on land, or
otherwise ; and convinced that the Government were
thus pledged to afford the clergy an adequate support, he
cordi thy assented to the measure now produced.
Mr D. BROWNE thought the Clergy of the Esta-
blished Church were generally a most exemplary body ;
but that did not prevent him from feeling that the exist-
ence of tl'e Protestan,. Establishment was an intolerable
grievance in Ireland. He bad known Clergymen with
1,2001 a year, performing: Divine Service to eight or ten
persons, while the Catholic Chapel was so much crowded,
that the congregation were compelled to kneel outside in
the mud. He thought that the money should he placed
in the Consolidated Fund of Great Britain, in wrier that
arrangements of a different description might be made, as
the Deans and Dignitaries died off.
Sir WILLIAM HORT coneurre ! in all the sentiments
expressed by the Resolutions, and gave them his cordial
support.
Mr. O'CONNELL (who had just entered the House)
then proposed that the debate he adjourned, as there were
many Members who wished to deliver their opinions on
this subject.
Lord ALTHORP saw no reason for the adjournment
of the debate. He could not but think the proposal for
adjournment came with a bad grace from the Member for
Kerry. who had absented himself during the greater part
of the debate.

Mr. O'CONNELL thought he might have been spared

that sneer.—(Lord Althorp said, immediately, he meant
no sneer.) His (Mr. O'Connell's) absence had been quite
accidental ; and as he knew many Members around him
wished to speak, he moved that the debate be adjourned.
Mt. WYSE bore testimony to the fact that many of the
Irish Members were still anxious to speak on the subject.
Lord ALTHORP was surprised at this, from the turn
the debate had alreaoy taken. At all events, however,
they could go on for an hour or two longer, as it was
Brill early. If the debate was adjourned, it must be till
Monday.
Mr. O'CONNELL moved that it be adjourned till
Monday.
The House divided on this question—
For the adjournment
..
Against it
Majority for Government - 118
On our re-admission, we tOund the Sp aker putting
the original question ; upon w.,ich
Mr. O'CONNELL moved that the debate be adjourned.
The SPEAKER intimated that he could not again
move that question.
Mr. O'CONNELL then would move that this Home
do now adj .urn, as he was of opinion that the debate
ought not to b, continued ; nay, he was strongly of opi-
nion, that after twelve o'clock no debate ought to be con-
t nued —(Oh, oh.) He expected to live to see the day
when no (teter shoal continue atter nine o'clock.—(Oh,
oh.) Yes, he hoped soon that that House would keep to
rational hour.
Mr. RUTHVEN seconded the motion.

Loral ALTHORP would oe glad that the House should
adjourn at an earlier hour, provided the business he pre-
viously got through. He had already raid, that it the
H -n. Gentleman h-id determined to persevere in his mo-
tion for adjournment of the debate, he should not resist;
hut he could not consent to adjourn the House, and if
pressed in a divis on he should oppo-e it.
Mr. O'CONNELL : No, no; I will not divide.

Sir CHARLES WETHERELL h-ped the Noble Lord
would not too easily give way to those motions for ad
j turnment ; for his own par , he thought the Member for
Ket ry could he at no time so well heard as at the. present ;
for his own part, he would untlertak- to 1 sten to him
most patiewly f-r a couple of hours;—(A laugh,)—and
if the Ho Member resolved to persist in ht. motion, per-
haps an amendment might he put on his amendmer,t, ro
the effect that the Hen. Member for Kerry be now heard.
He could at no time be more advantageously heard than
now, and he should therefore move that he be now
heard.—(Great laught• r.)
The question of adjournment of the House was then
put, but negatived without a division.
The original question wits again put, and
Mr O'CONNELL then moved that the further debate
be adjourned till Mundt), next, and on that question be
would divide, if nec scary.

Mr. RUT-IVEN .ect;od,d the nintion.
ALTHORP said he would not oppose it, and the
add urnins-nt was carried
The other Orders of the Day were then disposed of, and
the Huse adjourned at a Quiver to Three o'clock.

HOUSE OF LORDS, JULY 5.
At fi,e Wein k L •rd SHA rTESBU KY r 1t ,16 Soeaker.
MESSAGE FROM THE COIINIONS.

Sir A AGNEW and others from the Commons brought
on the Cuquins Wharfs 88, the Additional Churches
Bill, and a priv ite hill.
Lord MOSTYN presented several petitions from Mont-
gomeryshire and otner places, compla:ning of provisions in
the Boondary Bill.
Several Bills were forwarded a stage.
At a quarter past five the LORD CHANCELLOR. took
his seat.