The Sun.
London, England, 1835-02-27 00:00:00

and however disproportioned they might be, still he was de-
termined never to consent to appropriate ecclesiastical pro-
perty to any but ecclesiastical purposes.—( Hear, hear, hear.)
Did he find fault with the Right Hon. Baronet for making
that declaration ? Not at all. But while he entertained
the opinions he did, he (Lord Dudley Stuart) could not sup-
port him. The opinions he held were shared by the majority
of the House, and he did not believe any government acting en
the principles which the Right Hon. Baronet had declared,
could or ought to stand.—(Hear, hear.) In saying this he
hoped no one would suppose that he was not actuates'
by a proper regard and reverence for the doctrines of tht
Protestant Church in which he had been brought up.—
( Hear, hear.) Every Member of that House must hays
been glad to hear that his Majesty had received those
assurances from Foreign Powers which led him t<
hope for the continuance of the blessings of peace.
They must all have heard that with pleasure ; but with
no satisfaction and with no pleasure could they have heard
the supporters of his Majesty's Government, congratulate
themselves and the country upon the increasing degree
of confidence placed in the Government by the despotic
powers on the Continent—( Cries of " Hear, hear"). When
he (Lord Dudley Stuart) recollected that the persons
who felt that increased degree of confidence in his Majesty's
Government were the despotic rulers of Austria, Russia,
and Prussia—he felt no pleasure in that confidence—he
felt no respect for the Government.---(Cries of " Hear.")
The Right Hon. Baronet had made some observations
condemning in the strongest terms a course sometimes pursued
in that House of loading with personal obloquy and vitupera-
tion individuals who defended those despotic governments.
He joined with the Right Honourable Baronet in deprecating
that course, thinking it indecorous, indecent, and injurious
to the cause it was intended to support. He never had
adopted that course, nor did he find fault with the persons
who did, but he denounced the acts of these Governmentar—
( Great cheering.) When he considered that these pefFons
whose confidence the present Ministry said they had, had been
at all times the enemies of liberty wherever it had dared to
raise its head, when he recollected the conduct of one of those
governments in Cracow, and lately in Switzerland, when
he recollected that another of those powers had deleavoured
to do all in its power to injure the interests of this country in
the east of Europe, with a view to its own aggrandizement,
when he considered that the third of those Powers was
the spoliator of Poland, he could have but little satisfaction
in learning that the present Government had their confidence.
--(Cheers.) He lamented that any person could stand up in
that House, and appear to take pride in having the confidence
of such powers. Was it an honour to have the confidence of melt
who had trampled upon treaties, and set humanity at defiance ?
—(Cheers.) When the change took place in the administra-
tion, and when he heard the Duke of Wellington was to be Mi-
nister of Foreign Affairs,he thought the Noble Duke would have
asserted the dignity of his country in a way it had not been as-
serted by the late Government. Though he had given his
support to the Goverrinents of Lords Grey and Mel-
bourne in many instances, yet he never hesitated op-
posig. them when he thought they were wrong. One
lamentable instance of that was that they had not taken
advantage of the opportunity that was given them of saving
Poland. He would now return to the subject of the address
lie had stated his reasons why he could not concur in the
the address, he wished he could say that he felt satisfied with
the amendment. His great objection to the speech from the
Throne was that it did not advert to the necessity of any en-
quiry into the Irish Church. The Amendment in his opinion
would have been much better calculated for the object it had
in view, if it had taken notice of so important a subject.
He regretted that his Noble Friend had introduced into
his Amendment an expression of regret at the dissolution of
the late Parliament, even though there was no doubt
that there was a precedent to be found for such an
expression. He wished also that the amendment had not been
framed in such a manner, that he could have supported it with
more pleasure. He could not vote for the Address, because
he had no confidence in the present Ministry.—( Cheers. )
Mr. Serjeant GOULBURN then rose, along with many
other Members ; but being called upon, he proceeded to say
that it was pith very great reluctance he rose after the pa•
tience of the House had been worn out, but it was from a
deep sense of the duty which he owed to a large constituency,
that he felt himself called upon to say a few words
and they would be few, upon so important an occasion. lie
did not wish to say a word upon the topics which had already-
been worn out, but he must say that under an appearance of
candour in the amendment, there was much of gall, and bitter-
ness, and party faction. He would ask what was the real
question which the amendment raised—it was conceded to
him that the meaning of' it was " shall we, or shall we not,
eject the present Ministers."—(tremendous cheering.)
Then, on the other side, it was, " Shall we allow the King to
be forced to take back the Melbourne Cabinet."—( Great
and continued cheering.) The whole of the parties oppo-
site, who had such different opinions upon many subjects
appeared to be joined in the one wish, to have back the Mel-
bourne Cabinet at all hazards, and by all means. The first
objection that he made to the amendment was, that it would
be interfering with the undoubted prerogative of the King.
The King most undoubtedly has the choice of his Ministers.
What sort of a choice did they mean ? Free?—( Hear, and a
laugh.) Was it to choose certain individuals whom they pre-
scribed, and to reject others? Free in that respect, but no
matter what their capability for office might be —no matter what
the talents of the individuals might be—no matter what their
integrity might be, thy must be rejected.—( Hear, and a
laugh.) The freedom which those gentlemen would concede
to his ( Sergeant Goulburn's) side of the House was this--
" You shall take one, and reject the other."—( Loud cheer-
ing.) He had a right—scheers and laughter)—let them look
a little—( Renewed laughter, followed by cries of " Order")—
at the nature of the choice that they would give the King on
the present occasion. At all events, they say that they e ill
have back the. Melbourne Administration.—( Hear, and loud
cries of " No," from the Opposition benches.) Then, who
would they have back ?—( A laugh.) That simple question he
believed put the Hon. Members on the other side out of the
argument.—( A laugh.) Had any one among them cried out
who they would have ?—( Laughter, and a cry of " No Tory.”)
The Honourable Member for Middlesex should consider
that the country could not do without a Government, and
whoever they would have they most certainly would not
have that Hon. Member at the head of it.— ( Cheers and laugh-
ter.) All who had spoken upon the subject had agreed that if
the present Government were put out, there must he a return TO
the Melbourne Administration.—(" No, no.") It was one of his
arguments.—( Much laughter.) If the present Cabinet
were sent out, what would they -put in its place? Let
them look a little.—( Renewed laughter and cheering, fol-
lowed by cries of " Order, order.") He would put himself in
the language of his profession, upon his country, and he would
ask would they take the seals from Lord Lyndhurst—( Hear)
and transfer them to Lord Brougham ? Did they wish to see
them changed ?—( Cheering, and cries of " Yes.") With re-
spect to the foreign relations, it had been admitted by the No-
ble Lord opposite ( Stuart) that what they wanted in
the foreign department was a man of comprehensive mind, and
he would ask them would they cashier the Noble Duke at the
head of that department, and put in his place the rejected
of Hampshire ( Lord Palmerston) ?—( Laughter.) On that
question he would go with them to the country, for there was
not a single individual, high or low, who would not scout that
comparison. With respect to the head of the Government
and the leadership of that House, were they prepared to
cashier the Right Hon. Baronet ?—( Loud cries of " He :r,
hear ?") If so, he would ask, who would they put in his place ?
who would they put in his place, whose presence restrained hint
( Sergeant G.) from saying what nine-tenths of the country are
ready to concede to his abilities, and if he could not lead that
House, who else was capable of doing it ?—( Laughter.) He
would ask them therefore—he would ask any fair and candid
mind emit.: they make a real bona fide comparison between
these gentlemen and any others. He was aware that objec-
tions might be raised against them for party purposes ; but no
individual could make an honest comparison between them and
any others. Well, if that be so—( Much laughter)—it
that be the fact--(Renewed laughter, and cries of no, no)
—to what were they to go when the object of the Amendment
had been obtained, and the present Government removed from
office ? Should they go to anything that would satisfy the
House or the country, the weakest of the three parties in the
House in point of number, and in talent not the strongest,
were endeavouring to return to office. He ( Sergeant Goul-
burn) felt the greatest confidence in the Noble Lord the
Member for Lancashire ( Stanley), and the Right Hon.
Baronet the Member for Cumberland (Graham), but the
House knew that if the Melbourne Cabinet came into office,
they must come without these Gentleman. Ho was aware
that everything felt was not avowed in that House—and
when that Government would wish to destroy, they would call in
the assistance of the Hon. Member for Dublin, the Member
for Middlesex, and the Member for Southwark ; but when they
wanted to conserve they would call in the high honour and
manly feeling of the Right Hon. Baronet the Member for
Tamworth, and they would say to him that they were aware
that he would do just the opposite to what the others were doing.
They were placed between two parties—the weakest and
feeblest in talent were to govern both. There was something
excessively mean about this.—(Great cheers and laughter.)
He was sorry to be obliged to use plain phrases, but he
could not disguise in his mind that nothing was more con-
temptible.--( Renewed cheering.) The weakest both in num-
bers and in talent, they would be obliged to rely upon the
generous aid of the Right Hon. Baronet, whom they meant to
censure ; but in all other cases they must bend to these who were
leagued to destroy our most valuable institutions. He would
tell them that they would not succeed. They might very well
place reliance upon the Right Hon. Baronet, for nothing
could shake him from his high and honourable course; but he was
not sure that those around him (Mr. Goulburn) would be so
fond of lending them (the Whigs) that aid, and fighting for
them the battle against the Hon. and Learned Member for
Dublin. If that were the case, what would become of
the State ?—( Cries of " Hear.") Did any man doubt that
our institutions would be taken away one by one, that we
should love every thing most valuable, and that we should soon
see the Hon. and Learned Member Dublin reigning the undis-
puted ruler of that House and the country. He would ask if this
would not be the precursor of the dismemberment of the em-
pire?—( Hear.) He would shortly state what were the rea-
sons why the country would regret the return of the
Melbourne Cabinet to office. There was a general feel-
ing throughout the country, that the Ministers of that
Cabinet we're incapable and inefficient in the transaction
of the public business. There was not a man in the country
who would trust them.—( Oh, oh !) He was sure that the
House which had had experience of their manner
of doing business, must be aware that that Ministry had
proved themselves, on many occasions, incapable.--(" Oh,
oh !" and " Hear, hear.") There was another reason,
which he would shortly state to the House. If there was
any one thing which the country desired morethan another it was
a cessation from excitement—( Hear)—from the unceasing con-
flicts between parties; or above all things the country wanted calm