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London, England, 1859-04-16 00:00:00

IMPERIAL` PARLIAMENT

HOUSE OF LORDS-(YESTERDAY)•

The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat on the woolsack
at five o'clock.
INDIA PRIZE PROPERTY.
The Earl of ELLENBOROUGH gave notice that on
Monday next he should ask the noble earl at the head of the
Government whether any measures had yet been taken
for placing the army in India in possession of
prize property captured during the campaign, and whether
the Government were willing to give directions for accurate
plans to be prepared of the forts takdn during the war.
THIRD READINGS.
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The following
•
bills were severally read a third time :
Glasgow Public Works and
; Galleriesßombay, Baroda, and Central
India ;York
;and
of Art Kingstown
,
Water • York Improvementd Ipswich Fisheries.
RED SEA AND
INDIAN TELEGRAPH COMPANY.
On the motion that this bill be read a second time,
Lord STANLEY of ALDERLEY complained of the
agreement entered into by the Treasury with this
company. By
that agreement four and a-half per
cuguaranteed the company on a capital of £BOO,OOO.
Heeti washought the Government ought to have undertaken the
construction of the telegraph ; it could have borrowed money
at et per cent.,in.stead of guaranteeing a public company
4t per cent., and, in the event of n eat success reaping
-•
• 'tli
the whole of the benefit. Some of the provisions e the whole of the benefit. Some of the provisions of the
cont t he thought monstrous, and it not only
gave the company the power of laying down a telegraph
between Suez and Kurrachee, but in anyplace that it might
think desirable. He was of opinion that Parliament ought
not to give its sanction to the arrangement.
The Earl of DERBY thought that the bill would re-
ceive as much attention as a private bill as it would if in-
troduced as a public one. The noble lord opposite laboured
under a mistake with respect to the amount upon which 4/
.
per
cent had been given. It was true £BOO,OOO was the
capital of the company, but it was not upon that sum
that the interest was guaranteed but upon the sum actually
spent in laying down the telegraph. In the event of the
telegraph not being completed the contract would fall to
the ground.
The Earl of ELLENBOROUGH thought the Govern-
ment had taken the proper course. He thought it unfor-
tunate to overestimate the importance of the pro-
posed communication with India in a political
and military point of view. He had himself
on a former occasion advocated the establishment
of such a telegraph, and it would in the present instance be
absolutely impossible for the company to advance a single
the
step
Government in the work without the co-operation and support of
.
Lord WODEHOUSE agreed in many of the observa-
tions of the noble lord below him (Lord Stanley of Alder.
ley). It would be impossible to attach too much importance
to the establishment of a rapid communication with India,
but in doing so it was necessary to have a company in a
sound financial position. If this bill was rejected it would
no doubt cause great delay ; but he thought notwithstand-
mina tion
ing that the Government ought to reconsider their deter-
The Earl of DON OUGHMORE hoped the house would
assent to the third reading of the bill. At the end of the
resent month telegraphic communication would be esta-
lished between Suez and Men.
Lord STANLEY of Alderley said he did not wish to op-
pose the bi
be 11, but he hoped further progress would
stopped
agreement. l Parliament had had an opportunity of considering the
The Earl of DERBY said he had no objection, only great
delay would be the result of postponing the bill for the pre-
sent session, and allowing it to be taken up with other pri-
vate bills next session.
The third reading of the bill was accordingly postponed.
EDUCATION IN INDIA.
The Duke of ARGYLL called the attention of their lord-
ships to a letter from the Earl of Ellenborough, President
of the Board of Control, to the chairman and deputy-chair-
man of the East India Company, dated April 28,
1&58, and moved that a humble address be Pre-
sented to her Majesty for a copy of the regulations
and conditions under which the grants in aid of schools are
afforded by the Government of India; and also for a re-
turn of the number of schools which have received such
grants distinguishing those which are under native man-
agement and those which are conducted by Europeans, and
of the amount of such grants in each case.
du
The Earl of ELLENBOROUGH said that the noble
duke seemed to have a desire to get up a discussion on the
b
subject of education in India, but he (the Earl of Ellen-
g) would would not assist the noble duke in this object, and
if he had no other reason he would find one in the fact
that the noble earl at the head of the Government had pro-
mised to lay the last despatch of the Indian Government
before their he
shortly. The noble duke had read
an extract from the letter of a native of India on this sub-
ject. He (the Earl of Ellenborongh) would also read a let-
ter addressed to him from a native gentleman which related
to this question of education in India. This gentleman
and that he had lately been reading Sir J. Lawrence's
and Colonel Edards's letters onthe subject of Christianis-
ing India. There were, he said, many persons in India who
entertained similar views with Colonel Edwards on this
subject, but he was satisfied that if Colonel Edwards's views.
were to be carried out, it would have the effect of covering
the fields of India with blood. The noble earl, after refer-
infto Earl Granville's letter on the subject of education
ildie) and having reminded their lordships that this was
only
the °Pinion of that noble lord, begged to call the atten-
tion of the house to her Majesty's roclamation on this sub-
ject. In this proclamation it was enforced that the Govern-
ment of India would carefully abstain from any interference
with the religion of the natives. (Hear, hear.) This pro-
clamcation was issued before he (the Earl of Ellenborough)
into office. The noble duke had referred to his (the
Earl of Ellenborough's) despatch on the subject under con-
sideration. Well, h would read a letter which had been
addressed to him from a tman in Berar, in which he
complained of the interference of the missionaries with the
religion of the natives. Now, what was the language of the
PeereetelaaLati°n Why, that the Government would adhere
-4 gyve faith to non-interference with the religion of the
ne"yea. Re (the Earl of Ellenborough), however, never
objected to
znatic into grants to schools ; but he did object to a syste-
--"eerenee with the religion of the natives of India.
And let it be recollected that it was in Berar that they found
the ereatest deeeee.ty in putting down the rebellion. He
would say that it was his deliberate opinion, that unless
hey
gave confidence to the natives of India that their reli-
gion would not be interfered with, and that, in fact, the
People would be protected in the exercise of their religion,
all their efforts to govern India would be futile. (Hear.)
for The, rye of MARLBOROUGH thanked the noble duke
'laving brought this subect forward. His complaint
against the noble earl (the Earl of Ellenborough) was not
that he did not assist the spread of Christianity in India,
but that he
that country.
Proe.o.sed to' proscribe the Christian religion in
le earl was
impossible in fact.
rhe view pr p ded by the nob
He did et
see any danger in the pre-
sent System. Although it wasile the duty of Government to
act in a wise and conciliatory spirit, yet it was also its duty
to promote Christian civilisatiOn.
The Earl of DERBY did not intend to lengthen the pre-
noble conversation, but thestatement he had made to the
noble del-
-....e appeared to have b enmisunderstood, not only
?etchby the noble earl, but by the noblee duke himself. The de-
which had been sent out was merely to intimate that
o new expenditure on account of education should be in-
hisctirred without th
-
noble relative e(Lord
sanetir of the homeeeee
e
d d to the office he
nowthe held he felt exeretaely desPouseu to ascertain what was
_or precise. stath of education in India • and he had there
e desired that all the material'
ject shoald be collec
st the
other objects he had ted.
• s which existed on the sub-
His noble relative, amongst been the eee in view, wished to know what had
ect of the regulations of 1854. He wished to
know whether the
rai •
unpreseion am
interfee • 'esimai7 schools had produced any
ongst th natives that there was a wish to
e with their rte le
had thus
had any practical effeee in° • and whether they
formation which had been ioaerireuecadeg the muttion? The in-
eomene and unsatisfactory de t. proved be of a very
only brought into actual s?zap ed. The system was
years which had c °Peration in 1855 ; and of the three
occupied by different.rice e elapsed' two of them had been
course been ngedeons revolt.. Its operation had of
for, as his noble friend iffevent portions of the country ;
means identical in elead truly observed, India was by no
had worked well ; every
Part.
In some districts the system
order to show the un othersvf it .ead been a total failure. In
(Lord Derby) would :eafel; rol y character of the returns, he
en the Government schools,o th,e statistics of the attendance
stated to be 7,000 ; intile Tee attendance in Bengal was
Madras, 1,600 : while in Baoertil-vrest provinces, 6,000 ; in
nabay it was 23,846. This great
discrepancy was explained bey the fact that in Bombay every
echool which receivAegdaainnYwttiat all was set down as a Go-
thevnment school.
missionary schools v;aa te in Bengal the attendance in
in all other schools in Madr
ae down at 9,803 against 68,003
tively 28,500 and 5,000—the lasted
the
numbers were respec-
the missionary schools excitedae being that in some districts
tives, whereas in other places that alarm among the na-
sion at all. The papers for which there
rise tone apprehen-
would embody the whole of the i noble duke had moved
nforraation onsubject f
education which was to be found in the archives of the Ineediae-
office. The object of the despatch which had just been sent
out was merely to cause the
indeefireasciene7fof that information to
be supplied, to prevent any fact any alteration in the existing s t exPenditure, and in
em without the sanc-
tion of the Home Government:
conjunction with the report ee the i That despatch, taken in
(which naPeetor-General of the
Lower Provinces of Bengal
woeld shortly be pub-
lished), would place before the
_house the present' state of
instruction in India, and would facilitate future dieeneeiene
on the subject. (Hear.)
wn,
o and an Derby, B
:needed return
The motion was thenwithdra
in the form suggested by the Earl f
PUBLIC OFFICES EXTENSION ILLe. d to.'
This bill passed through committee.
SUPERANNUATION BILL.
This bill was read a third time and_ passed.
COMBINATION OF WORKMEN BILL.
This bill was read a third time and passed.
MUNICIPAL ELECTIONS BILL.
The report of amendments to this bill was agreed nd
the bill was ordered to be read a third time thi to,
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(Saturday.)
8 day
THE NAVAL MEDICAL SUPPLEMENTAL FUND
SOCIETY ANNIII,TIES, &c ,ACT CONTINUANCE BILL.
This bill was reed a CONSOLIDATED second time. (APPROPRIATION BILL.)
This bill was read a second time.
EXCFIEQUER 81LL5ti1te1.3,227,400) BILL.
This bill was read a
Their lordshipsthen adjourned.

HOUSE OF COMmox
S.
—bisuss'were .
.The SPEAKER took the chair at fon ERBAY.)
PRIVATE Rusn,47o°'clock.
The amendments to the following
and agreed to. and the bills were order d consider
third time :—King's Lynn Waterwork e xto be readeda
Borough Improvement; Tavistock Ma4:larketB, and
Improvement ; Leominster and Kingston ts, and
'The followino• bills were read a third Railway
.—Carlisle and 'Penrith, &c., Roads, cateri.,-71, .Paased
Central Wales Railway, Commercial DocksT
Railway,
Frstilvvay,
Dundee and Newtyle Railway, London and sour,lnilnent,
Railway, London, Brighten, and South coastatern
Mountsorrel Railway, Vale of Neath
Harbour Improvement, People's Provident Agnasaurrd_
ance Society, Scarborough Gas, Standard Life
Assurance Company, Victoria (London) Dock; Bel-
fast and Londonderry Junction Railway, Colic and
Kinsale Junction Railway, and Tralee and Killarney
Railway.
WESTMINSTER BRIDGE BILL.
Lord J. MANNERS, in moving the second reading of
the bill, said he did not mean to proceed farther with it in
the present session ; but it was necessary it should be carried
as far as they could previous to the meeting of the next Par-
liament. They had obtained certain houses, but they were
required in order to make the new approaches to the new
bridge—those houses lying on the north side. The cost
of the new approaches would .be considerable ; but, as a
compensation for that, these approaches would considerably
aught value of the houses on the north side, the pro-