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London, England, 1835-07-02 00:00:00

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man of the Grand Jury to which these Xtkrqient.
Mr. O'CONNELL—I positively asse • 1-e, was.—
(Oh, oh.) lam obliged to come down prepared at all hands,
for I never know when these attacks are here to be made.
I have here a certificate of the fact, and I will send it to the.
Hon. Gentleman to-morrow.
Colonel PE ItC E VAL—The Honourable and Learned
Gentleman has thought proper to contradict the authority
of the Hon. and Learned Gentleman behind him (Mr. Shaw.)
—( Hear, hear, hear.) The House would recollect upon is
former occasion that the Honourable and Learned Gentleman
had contradicted him (Colonel Perceval,) and had said
that these bilis were sent before a city Grand Jury ; notii
when it suits his purpose, he can turn round and flatly con.
tradict himself. He had also denied that Mr. Hudson had_
acted for him as counsel before the Commission in Dublin.
lie had that morning received a letter from a most respectable
gentleman in Dublin, Mr. Macguire (against whom he believed
the Hon. and LearnedGenticman himself would not say a word),
in which he stated that he reiterated that Mr. Hudson
did attend as counsel for Mr. O'Connell before the Com-
mission. One thing particularly recalled it to his memory,
which was, that upon some point after Mr. Hutton had ad.
dressed the Commission, he was followed by Mr. Hudson—
(Hear, hear)—and when he (Mr. Macguire) complained
of that, Mr. Hudson stated that he also was counsel for Mr.
O'Connell. His Honourable and Learned Friend, Mr.
Shaw, had denied that his father had been Foreman
of the Grand Jury before whom these Bills were sent. Tho
Hon. and Learned Gentleman (Mr. O'Connell) had asserted
to the contrary. He would say no more after the specimens
lie had given; he would leave the House to judge between
the two.—( Cheers.)
Mr. O'CONNELL in examining his pockets, found the cer-
tificates—received that morning. It had the names of every man
who was upon that Grand Jury, and the name of Sir R. Shaw
stood at the top.—(Loud cheers.) He was astonished
that the Hon. and Learned Gentleman opposite, Mr. Shaw,
should have forgot the particular circumstances attending that,
as there was one little circumstance that might have kept
it in his memory. Four Bills were sent before that Grand
Jury against persons for bribing against Perrin and
Harty, and ignored. Two other Bills were sent before
them for bribing, in favour of F. Shaw--(Laughter)--and Mr.
Moore. He asserted again that these names were now in tho
Crown-office, with the names of Robert Shaw attached to
them as these certificates specify. [The Honourable
Gentleman crossed the floor and• handed the certificates
to Mr. Shaw amidst loud laughter.] It was quite true that no
Bills were sent up against Mr. Hudson.—(Tory cheers.) He
was bound to state further, that the then Attorney-Ge-
neral, Mr. Blackburne, within the last week, had stated
the reasons why that was so—(Hear, hear)—the first was
that the four Bills had been ignored, especially that of
Mr. Hitchcock, the attorney, and the other was, that when
they began to examine the evidence against Mr. Hudson,
they found that there was not a tittle of evidence
to support the indictment.—( Cheers.) Mr. Macguire was
right, though Mr. Htedson had refused to act as counsel
for him before he left DuiAin. He now found that one day
he had volunteered his service:-; and had acted before the Com-
mission.

Mr. SHAW said that the Certificates handed to him by the
Hon. and Learned Member, fully bore out the state-
ments which he (Mr. Shaw) had made. Mr. Stubbs
was the Foreman of the Grand Jury before whom the
Bills were sent, which was the Commission Grand Jury.
He must be mistaken when he said that the Juries were sworn
before Judges Johnson and Moore. He would just remark that
it was agreed on both sides to suffer the matter to drop, and
that with one solitary exception, no prosecution directed to be
undertaker, on the part of this House by the Attorney-General
had succeeded.

Mr. WALKER observed that all the Bills which
had been sent up against the different individuals ch:trged
with bribery were now thrown out, no matter who was
the Foreman of the Jury. He defended the character

of Mr. Hudson, who subsequently had a dinner given
to him—(Hear, hear)—at which the Duke of Leinster

presided as Chairman, and at which the Attorney-General
paid him the highest compliment a gentleman could expect to
receive. Mr. Hudson's character was utterly unimpaired by
the imputations attempted to be cast upon it.
Mr. O'CONNELL presented a petition from Richard
Roberts, complaining of his removal from a situation in the
Excise.