The Sun.
London, England, 1835-08-27 00:00:00

ortune to differ in many points with that Illustrious Prince,
yet he was fully Deady and bound to admit that the late Duke
of York possessed many good and excellent qualities, which
were deserving of great praise.—(Cheers.) That Illustrious
Prince, when he received the sanguinary order of the French
Convention, was about to join the army then under arms, and
instead of issuing a similar order, he immediately gave di-
rections to the British soldiers, that instead of following
the example of their enemies they should on all occasions
give them quarter. --(Loud cheers.) Such was the conduct
of a British Prir,ce.—( Hear, hear, hear.) But they were
told that the `.ipanish Prince had been unfortunate in his
conduct—that he had adopted a bad example instead of
following the good and humane example set him by
our gall•ant and illustrious countryman.--( Cheers.) With
respect to the answer given on the former occasion by his
Nohle Friend, he would only repeat that he did not believe
that it induced one single man to enter the Queen of Spain's
service, who would not have otherwise done so. If he knew
anything of the character of his gallant countrymen, they
would not require any caution of the kind to prevent there,
pursuing any course. His Noble Friend might fairly say,
for the future, that the friends of Don Carlos had truly repre-
presented that Prince to be more cruel and bloody, and capable
of any breach of faith or treachery, than he believed possible.
When he spoke on the former occasion he laboured under this
impression, and he (Lord Brougham) was satisfied that the
language then used by his Noble Friend did not remove the
scruples of any man, or influence any one, be he soldier or not,
to enlist, who had not previously made up his mind.—( Cheers. )
He agreed in all that had been said by his Noble Friend as to
the inconveniences that would result from direct foreign inter-
vention in the affairs of Spain. He would appeal to a high
authority, who knew the affairs of Spain well—indeed, the
highest authority on the subject—he meant the Noble Duke
( Wellington), to whom Spain as well as his own country owed
a debt of gratitude which never could be paid.—( Cheers.)
Ho believed the views and feelings of the Noble Duke on this
subject fully coincided with those of his Noble Friend (Lord
Melbourne). He believed the Noble Duke would agree that,
of all things, to unite and, tranquillize and promote the peace
of Spain was the proper course for this country to put sue ;
without, however, interfering in the affairs of that country in a
manner which was not lawful or in accordance with the rules
which goveened independent nations.—( Cheers.) The first
duty of England in this question was to promote the tranquil-
lity of Spain—the peace and prosperity of Spain—but above
all to secure the independence of Spain—above all, and
before all, to ensure the exclusion of all interference in the af-
fairs of Spain by all foreign powers.—( Cheers.) He should
• regard it as a great evil for England as well as for Spain to
see the flag of France wave over one single square yard of the
Spanish territory.—(Loud cheering.) This was not a new
opinion, but one be had entertained, with his Noble Friend at
the head of the Government, long before he held office, and
he had never changed his opinion on the subject. The Noble
Earl had alluded to the introduction of foreign bayonets in the
war now raging in Spain. He (Lord Brougham) should look
upon the assistance afforded to the Government of Spain by
foreign bayonets as the most mischievous gift that could be be-
stowed on the country. The assistance which would be af-
forded by such foreign bayonets as probably alone were likely
to be offered for the purpose—was only calculated to exasperate
the feelings of the adverse parties in that country.—( Hear, hear,
hear.) No person could entertain a contrary opinion, who
was at all conversant with Spanish history, and above all the
recent Spanish history._( Hear, hear.) He would merely al-
lude to the foreign interference which had taken place in the
affairs of Spain in 1823, when the Noble Duke and his friends
were in office, when he (Lord Brougham) expressed similar
opinions to those he had that night given utterance to. —( Here
there was some interruption by a Noble Lord; but the nature
of it we could not learn.) Lord Brougham proceeded to say
that such interruption came with a very good grace from
the Noble Earl who, he understood, had undertaken to keep
his Noble and Learned Friend the Chancellor of Ireland, and
himself, an ex-Chancellor, in order.--( A laugh.) He wished
the Noble Earl much joy of the task he had undertaken. He
did not know whether the Noble Earl had succeeded in keep-
ing his Noble and Learned Friendin order, but he didnet think
that the Noble Earl had succeeded extremely well with him-
self.—(Laughter.) The Noble Earl said that he (Lord
Brougham) had been speaking too long; now he did not pro-
mise that he would not speak long.—(No, no.) He had ne-
ver on any occasion said that he would not speak for a long
time : he had always cautiously avoided making such a pro-
mise—( Laughter)—and therefore he ought not to be told that
he had promised to make a short speech. But what he wished
to recal to the recollection of the Noble Earl was, the conduct
of his friends, the legitimate Bourbons—of the Carlists of
France—( Hear, hear)—of that party against the legitimate
party of Europe, lying to the north of the Pyrennees—of that
Bourbon Carlist party of France, who sent an army under the
Duke of Angouleme into Spain, for the purpose of overthrow-
ing the Constitutional Government, and who, by the aid of
foreign bayonets, planted another form of government in that
country. He had no wish to see foreign bayonets enter Spain ;
but if they did go, the acuteness of the Noble Earl would lead
him to recollect that there were two ways in which they might
go. They might either go armed with a commission
from a foreign power, as the army of France did in 1823,
when it overthrew the Constitutional Goverment of
Spain—which was a way of carrying foreign bayonets
into a country which was wholly abominable, and
which was the only way which was censured by the Noble
Earl—or they might go under a commission from the State to
whose aid they went.—(Hear, hear.) But in that case he did
not call it the intervention of foreign bayonets--but proper
and legitimate auxiliaries of the Government, led under the
constitutional banners of the country. He would tell the
Noble Earl that such an admission as this of foreign bayonets,
had always beers a principle of constitutional freedom.—
He would not go back to the period when the interven-
tion of foreign bayonets upon this principle had established
the free, constitutional, and Protestant Government of
England, in the century before the last; but he would say
generally that any State which was attacked from within
or from without, had a right, if it pleased, by its
constitutional organs—by those exercising the government
—by those representing the people for whose safety those
representatives were called together—that government, those
organs, and those constitutional powers, had not only a right,
but if need be, it became their duty to call in foreign as-
sistance, provided always that such foreign assistance was de-
pendent, and disciplined, and subordinate to the domestic
powers of the State.---( Hear, hear.) These were his opi-
nions with respect to the intervention of foreign bayonets.
He disapproved of the intervention of the Legitimatists of
France, who interfered for the purpose of putting down the
constitution of Spain; but not in the intervention of the gal-
lant English, who rallied round the constitution now esta-
blished in Spain, restoring peace and prosperity, and pre-
serving the independence of that country.
The Duke of WELLINGTON then rose and said, that in
the state of the relations of this country with the Peninsula,
and in the existing state of Europe, it was most desirable that
this discussion should be avoided. He was much concerned

to find that the Noble and Learned Lord had thought proper
to enter into such a discussion, and he could assure the House
that it was not his (the Duke of Wellington's) intention either
to continue it or to reply to the topics alluded to by the Noble
and Learned Lord. He merely rose to protest against such a
speech being made upon such an occasion.—( Hear, hear.)
As his Noble Friend had thought proper to make a speech
upon the affairs of Spain, he could hardly have avoided speak-
ing of the war in the Basque provinces, and the origin of that
war. But his Noble Friend had not gone far into the subject,
and he certainly did not deserve the answer which he got from
the Noble and Learned Lord. His Noble Friend certainly did
object to the decree which had been so often referred to, and
he (the Duke of Wellington) was convinced that there was
not one Member of that House—that there was not an indivi-
dual in the country__whodidnot join him in disapproving of it.
—( Hear.) But what was stated by his Noble Friend was quite
true. There were two sides, and two sets of opinionists in
Spain, and it was not one side only which was guilty of ex-
cesses—_( Heir, hear)—both sides had been guilty of excesses,
and before the Noble and Learned Lord introduced such
violent language into his speech, he ought to have discussed
the matter coolly, and endeavoured to find whether there might
not be some excuse for those excesses. He (the Duke of
Wellington) did not wish, however, to continue the discus-
sion of this subject. His desire was to avoid all discussion.

—( Hear, hear.). He wished that the hands of Government
should be left free, so that if possible the efforts of all parties
might be collected to put an end to that description of war.
fare which at present ravaged the centre of Europe.—( Hear,
hear.) That was the reason why he deprecated discussion
upon this occasion. It could lead to no good. It might lead
to harm, and he was sure their Lordships would see reason to
repent of having entered upon it.—( Cheers.)
The Marquis of LONDONDERRY then rose to reply,
He hoped that the Noble Viscount would lay the Eliot Con-
vention upon the table of the House, in order that it might
be seen whether the British auxiliaries were included in it
or not.

The conversation then dropped.
CONSTABULARY FORCE (IRELAND) BILL.
Viscount DUNCANNON moved the second reading of the
Bill.

The Marquis of LONDONDERRY opposed the Bill.
The Earl of RODEN said that he should oppose the Bill,
for he thought it would produce the worst effects in Ireland.
A Bill similar in principle to the present had been introduced
to the House of Commons in the year 1822, which was then
opposed by Henry Brougham, Viscount Duncannon, and Lord
Althorp. He should move as an amendment that the Bill'be
read this day six months.
The Marquis of CLANRICARDE said that he should
support the Bill. The Inspectors General cf the Police in
Ireland had already de facto the power which this Bill only
went to give them de jure.
Lord BROUGHAM said that he could with perfect con-
sistency oppose the Bill of 1822 and give his support to the
present measure.

- Lord FARNHAM opposed the Bill chiefly on the ground
of its baring been introduced at so late a period of the session,
for which he thought the Noble Viscount was wholly inex-
cusable.

The Earl of WINCHILSE A said that he should support
the amendment, because be looked upon the present Bill as
one of the three instalments agreed to be paid by the Govern..
went to the individual who contracted for them for his support.
The first was to give up the property of the Established
Church ; the second instalment was to alter the system of
police in Ireland ; and the third, which had not as yet been
brought up to their Lordships' House, was to alter the system
of Municipal Governments in Ireland, and when these had
passed, the whole Governments in Ireland would be trans-
ferred to the hands of that individual.

LOrd HATHERTON said that there seemed to be only
one point in the present Bill to which objection was taken, and
that might be struck-02h The Inspector General h*l now
1b appointment of constables, and this extiteclA jealousy in