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London, England, 1835-08-14 00:00:00

pin?'Committees ought to be chosen by ballot, he should
not stand in opposition to the plan.
Mr. G. F. YOUNG denied that he had voted so Loftgn
against the Noble Lord as intifaata,
ship that such an •on!.?n Wound not make him abstain from
doiir 'Which he had always done, voting according to his
conscience.

Cloud PERCIVAL felt it his duty to state, that not one
Member on his side of the House had been appointed on the
Committee on Orange Lodgee.,-( War; beer; 3
Mr. HUME hreer;l td stiotitii a resolution of that Lodge.
If.r.iginer.) He begged pardon, that Committee.
Mr. PEASE gave notice that he should move for all the
evidence on the York Election Committee.
ORANGE LODGES.
Mr. HUME moved that a message be !fin} rirace'
the Duke of Gordon, end to the Welt Honourable Lord
Kenyon, requesting Orteits attendance before the Select
Committee of the Muse, which had been appointed to inquire
into the Orange lodges of Ireland. He begged to state in answer
to an observation that had been thrown out, that a e,”"+4".1111-
canon had been made to the Hon. Memben for Cardiff and
Buckingham, requesting them to attend, and stating that they
might send in any net.te they chose, but which communication
had not been attended to.

Colonel PERCEVAL would give the Hon. Member for
Midtilesex credit for wishing that which wax just and proper,
but all he could say was that he was very much interested in
the inquiry that was going on.
Mr. HUMN—Then I move that the Hon. and Gallant
Member he appointed a member of the Lodge—( Hear, hear,
and great laughter)—a member of the Committee, I Mean.
Colonel PERCEVAL—" No, no."
Sir THOMAS FREMANTLE would ask the Hon.
Member for Middlesex whether he thought it right that the
Committee should pursue its enquiry further than the present
session.—( Cries of " Oh, oh !")
Mr. WARBURTON said the object of this and other Corn.
mittecs was to enquire and not to adjudicate. The evidence
that had been collected by the Committee was laid before the
House, and the House would adjudicate upon the subject.
Colonel PERCEVAL said that when men were appointed
upon a Committee who were all on one tide, they were very
likely to be led away by their feelings.
Mr. ROEBUCK wanted to know whether the Hon:and
Gallant Colonel applied that principle to an Orange Grand
Jury in Ireland?—( Loud cheers.)
Colonel PERCEVAL. said that the Orange Grand Jury
were upon their oaths, and every case brought before them
was considered dispalsionately, honestly, and impartially.—
(Cries of " Oh, oh.")
Thu SPEAKER then put Mr. Hume's motion from the
Chair, which was agreed to.
The Hos. MF.ainua then moved separately that Captain
Gordon, Sir J. Y. Buller, and Colonel Fancourt be added to the
Committee, but the Hon. Members all declined the honour.
In answer to a question from fir R. BATES ON,
Lord M 0 RP ETH vindicated the Irish Government from

the charge brought against certain prisoners tried at the last
assizes of Londonderry. The Noble Lord said that he had
received a petition in favour of the ring-leader of the prisoners,
signed by the twelve jury, and surely if this prisoner deserved
favour the argument was still stronger in favour of the other

prisoners.
After a few words from Mr. JONES, Sir R. FERGUSON, and
Mr. SHAW, the conversation dropped.
SLAVE COMPENSATION BILL.
The order of the dm' for the third reading of this Bill was
read ; and after ail observation from Mr. HUME, the Bill
was read a third time, and passed.
THAMES TUNNEL.
Mr. WALTER begged to ask the Noble Lord whether an
opportunity would be afforded him of bringing the motion of
which he had given notice on this subject before the House, if
he now gave way to the Government?
Lord JOHN RUSSELL feared that no opportunity
would be afforded during the present session.
WAYS AND MEANS.
On the motion of the CHANCELLOR of the EXCHE-
QUER, the Order of the Day for the House resolving itself
into a Committee of the whole House on Ways and Means,
was read.
The SPEAKER having taken the Chair,
THE BUDGET.

The CHANCELLORofthe EXCHEQUER roseandsaid,
Sir, in my endeavours to discharge my duty—the duty fallen
upon me of stating to' this House the state of the finances of
the country upon this moment, and I shall endeavour to do it as
clearly and as briefly as I possibly can, but Sir, I shall
require the utmost extent of indulgence that the House
can afford, 'for there is nothing so dry as a statement of
figures : but as this is the most important of all questions to
the country, I hope that in the midst of these dry calculations,
and even although the narration of the facts which I am about
to lay before the House may be dry, yet at the same time
as they will show the state of the important financial affairs
of this great country ; and. therefore I trust the House will
extend that indulgence, not to me, but to the subject
Sir, I trust that that will be the case, for the difficulties
are much increased upon me by considering that I stand,
unfortunately I may say, succeeding in the exposition
of the state of the finances, one whose character, one
I may say, whose personal as well as peculsar man-
ners gave him a peculiar claim upon men of all parties.
I cannot hope, considering that the last statement was made by
Lord Althorp--whose sincerity men of all parties were
willing to admit—but I trust, though I have to fol-
low him, who was a man of the character I have
given him, and it would be unbecoming in me to say
more. I have mentioned it merely for the purpose of
stating that the course which I will pursue will be the same
course which was accustomed to be taken by him
while he held the same office which I now fill.
Before I approach the subject I should wish further to call
the attention of the House to one cause of difficulty I have to
encounter. It is a difficulty proceeding from a course of which
neither the country nor myself will complain. I mean, Sir, the
past reductions in the taxation, for it must be clear that
every reduction which is made renders it more difficult
to carry out the principle hereafter.—( Hear, hear.)
But the difficulty being increased, that increased the
merit of carrying further reductions into execution, I shall
not go into details of great length ; but it is actually neces-
sary to bring before the Committee an account of
the reductions which have been made ; and, in
doing this, I shall not confine myself to those
made by the Administration to which I have the honor to
belong ; bat, in justice to other Administrations, I shall
notice the enormous reductions which have been carried
into effect since the peace.—( Hear, hear.) I find that
the gross amount of the reduction made in the taxation
since the year 1814, which is a fair way of calculating the
removal of pressure upon the people. I find that it amounts
to no less than FOR'FY MILLIONS, ONE HumniEn AND
NINETY-ONE THOUSAND POUNDS, approaching, actually, with.
in five or six millions of the amount of the revenue at
present. Of that sum, 40,191,0001., no less than 6,954.0001.
was a reduction effected by the Administration of Lord Grey.
In like manner, with respect to the reduction of the Votes
of Supplies, taking the matter in the fairest way I can
take it from the year 1817, down to the present period,
on averages of four years, from 1818 to 1821 the average
shows an annual amount of supplies of 18,872,000/.
The average of the next four years coming down
to 1825, shows an average of 16,721,0001. From 1826 to
1829 there was an increase, for it amounted to the
sum of 18,023,000/. From the year 1830 to the year
1833, the average was reduced to 18,11.5,000/., and in the
year 1834, the annual supply amounted to fourteen million
four hundred and seventy-nine thousand pounds, and in 1835, the
supply votel amounts to 14,136,0001. So that we
have in that interval reduced the supplies voted
from a sum of 18,872,0001. which was the average of the
first six years, to a suns of 14,136,0001., which is the amount
of the supply voted this year. Well, Sir, this is not the only
difficulty which we have had to contend with, because these
are the estimates which have been cast upon us by the Right
Hon. Gentlemen opposite, and for whio•4 they are responsible.
But at the same time there have been some votes which
were partially thrown upon his estimates, and partially
upon mine, which have prevented a still further reduction
of the estimates, which, but for this, would have taken
place. For instance, the fire which unfortunately destroyed
both Houses of Parliament added 69,7001. The satisfaction
given to one class cf the Danish claimants, which certainly
could not be included in the direct expenditure of any Go-
vernment for the time being, I may justly estimate at 113,000/.
(LEFT SPEAKING.)

The sum of 110,0001. appears this year in the mis-
cellaneous estimates, to defray half the expenses of prosecu-
tions in England and Wales, at assizes and quarter sessions,
and to defray the whole expenses of the conveyance of trans-
ports. These have been met hitherto out of the county rates.

The turn for repartee in the Irish of ail classes is
proverbial. A gentleman the other day, intending to be
smart upon some bricklayers' labourers, said they were " Odd
Fellows." " No, plase your honour," rejoined Pat, "We are
Hod Fellows !"

Lately, at lialliwell, from three to four thousand
tons weight of earth fell with a tremendous crash, and occa-
sioned a noise which was heard at a distance of a mile. A si-
milar occurrence took place at the same quarry last winter.—
Manchester Guardian.
THE MOORS.—We hear that shooting will not be
general, in consequence of the smallness of the game, till the
20th of this month.' Deer-stalking has already commenced.
Last week, Sir Joseph Radcliffe killed two fine deer in Guiack
forest, in Badenoch. The Duke of Buccleuch is daily ex-
pected in Tilt forest, in Athole. The Marquis of Abercorn
has taken the shooting at Kinrara.—Aberdeen Observer.

NOVEL. MODE OF TRAVELLING.—Lord Stan-
ley, who is returning to Knowsley from attending his duties
in Parliament, has fallen upon a rather novel mode of lbco-
motion. It appears that, last year, when his Lordship and
family travelled post, from London to Lancashire, his lady
was much indisposed by the fatigue of the journey, which was
attended by very inconvenient and rather serious consequences.
To avoid a repetition of this evil, his Lordship has engaged
one of Messrs. Pickford and Co.'s light fly-boats, and is ac-
tually coming down by canal ! The boat has been neatly fitted
up for the occasion, and Messrs. Pickford and Co. have un-
dertaken that the length of the voyage from London to Liver-
pool shall not exceed three days. The whole family, inclu-
ding children arid servants, are thus journeying at thy r ease;
and without any extraordinary loss of time.• They were to
leave London on Thursday morning, and are exi ectoel at'•
Knowley this 9v9ing.—Liverpod Chronicle.