The Sun.
London, England, 1856-03-06 00:00:00

EDUCATION.

Lord J. RUSSELL brought forward his promised
resolutions with reference to education, and in doing so
said he trusted the time was becoming more and more
auspicious for the placing this country on a more equal
footing with the other enlightened countries of the
world on the question of education. (Hear, hear.)
He reviewed the attempts that had been made for
the enactment of a law in reference to it, and
named the continental States that had adopted a gene-
ral system of education, and he enforced the ne-
cessity of this country purscring a similar course.
The first question he addressed himself to was
the present state of education in this country, and
alluded, in passing, to the effirts of Sir J. Pakington
on this question, remarking that that hen. baronet
had truly stated the state of the case from the
facts that were placed before him, and derived from
the most trustworthy sources of informa'ion. The Cen-
sus returns for 1851 showed there were about four mil-
lions of children and young persons between the ages of
5 and 15, two millions of whom were entered on the
school-hooks ; 1,750,000 of these were not in attendance
at the schools, and from the inspectors' reports there
appeared to be but about one-eighth of the whole num-
ber who attended schools under their inspection. The
remainder receiving. educa,don, but not instruction,
in dame schools comprised the great proportioa of those
of the ages he had named that were entered in the cen-
sus. There were eight thousand teachers of the Chur-h
of England at the head of schools who did not receive
more than 28/. a-year, and a number of other women
holding dame schools who had not more than 211 ; and
was it possible that persons receiving such sums could
be capable of giving real and useful instruction? Such,
he thought, was hardly to be believed. The grants
given since 1.839 under the superintendence of
the Privy Council on Education had been
the cause of great improvement in educa-
tion. The noble lord then entered into the statistics
with reference to the number of teachers, schools, and
training schools that bed be-on established, and referred to
Professor Moiety's report for 1854, which stated that the
attendance of boys at these schools had been discon-
tinued at an earlier age than they used to be at the
common or dame schools, from the schools being so good
that the parents coemidered their children got a bettor
education at an earlier period than formerly, and they
consequently removed them at this early age that they
might assist in their maintenance by having
recourse to employment. After referring to the evils
of the present system of education, the noble lord said it
behoved the house to consider how they should remedy
these defects. (Hear.) He thought Parliament should
attempt to lay down two principles; first, a principle from
which theyshou!d never it possible depart, that of making
the education of the people complete ; aed, secondly, to
maintain, erelourage, and, as far as possible, to improve
that which they found good in the existing system of
education. With regard to the first, he thought
that end would not he attained unless they brought the
education of the !people of the country to the state
in which it had been brought in other free and en-
lightened countries that had adopted a scheme of edu-
cation. He then referred to the state of education in
America, Switzerland, and Prussia in illustration of his
first proposition. With regard to the second that of
improving the present system of education lie
said they could hardly expect to support the present
system, partly supported by grants and by subscription
with free schools, because the latter would be taken
advantage of and be fatal to the former, but as he
proposed to go upon the foundation of the
present system, they must first consider how far it
could be improved. There were many points connected
with it on whbich there might be much doubt, and
much that might be adopted, and if they bad
a precedent of education in that house, to
advise them it might be much enlarged and im-
proved. With regard to schools in convection with the
Cnurch or a Dissenting chapel that ought not to make
any difference with regard to their inspection anti Go-
vernment support. (near, hear.) It would be a useful
work to consolidate and revise the minutes of Council
of E lucation, and make them more plain and easily
understood with reference to their bearing on
any particular rule. He should therefore propose
a resolution to that effect. He proposed not to increase
the present number of inspectors of schools, which nurn•
bered twenty-four fur the Church schools and sixteen
for other schools, but to mike the inspection
of schools more complete by the appointment
of sub-inspectors. The divisions of the country,
under the Reform Bill, he thought, should be the area
for each sub inspector, and he moved a resolution to
that effect, and that there should he 80 sub-inspectors
appointed, a sufficient number being appointed for the
Wesleyans, other Dissenters, and R mien Catholic, in
proportion to their present number of inspectors, in
reference to the numbers in connection with the
Church of England. (Hear, hear.) These suh-
inepeotors should report to the inspectors, and they to
the Council of Education, when the president, with the
authority of that house, would decide on the number of
schools that should be established throughout the
coun try. 1

[LEFT SPEAKING.]

to point rek's to the house any plan for its immediate settle-
event which, in my opinion, would be satisfactory, I here
stated, on former occeeient, that church rates are a charge
upon the land, and that I think they ought to reinein
chorgeab!e upon the land. (Hear.) In my opinion, if
landowners were to dement to the immediate abolition of
church rates, although they might make some iminetliete
pecuniary saving, they would adopt is short-sighted policy.
(Hear.) I therefore, moat unwillingly, but very tlecolearly,
must give my vote against the second reading of this bill,
because I think it Rill not mitigate the evil which it seeks
to remedy. I must say; however, that if this bill really
carried into effect the object professed in its title, " to
abolish church rates and to make other provisions in lieu
thereof," and if such substitute could be found and such
other provision were made, I should be ready to vote for
its second reading and to consider its details in committee.
I find, however, as the noble member for Colchester has
well pointed out, that the bill will gulls place the alms and
velunt ry offerings of members of the Church under the
control of persons who may or may not be members of that
Church. Suppose any member of the Church of England
were to Pay :—" I think there te great dagger lest the
chapels of Protestant Dissenters should fall into decay for
went of adequate repairs, and I therefore propose a bill
which will place the voluntary offerings of Dissenters under
the control of certain persons, to be elected and to be called
auditors, who shall see that no abuse takes place, but that
the money be properly applied to the maintenance of
dissenting chapels ;" I think the Dissenters would not thank
the gentleman who made such a proposal, but would may :
"As you, the State, contribute nothing to us, and as we
have the means of building and repairing our chapels, wo
beg you to leave us alone." I say, thee, with regard
to those parishes in which church rates have beers
abolished that Churchmen will be better off if you leave
them alone than if
.you meddle with them. With respect
to other parishes in which church rates aro collected, it
may be necessary in some cases to provide that the contri-
butions of Churchmen should be applied to the purposes
for whicit they were given ; but the incumbent and the
churchwarden appointed by him might take care that such
funds were properly applied, and this object could be
effected by a much less complicated scheme than that pro-
posed by the hon. baronet. lam exceedingly sorry that
we do not seem much nearer than wo were to the settle-
ment of this long-vexed question. Certainly I for one can-
not assent to the principle put forward by th r Protestant
Dissenter, that, as a matter of conscience, church rates
ought to be abolished. When it was proposed in former
clays that Dissenters should not be compelled to attend
church, and that they should not be prevented from having
chapels of their own, it was very properly argued that it
was a principle of religious liberty that they ahoulal be
allowed to worship God according to their ewu forms; but
it was not then contended that they should not be com-
pelled to make any payment to the national Church. That
claim has arisen iu more modern times. It seems to me to
be a part, but only a part of the voluntary principle ; but
I cannot believe with the bon. member forthe Tower Ham-
lets, that complete and universal peace would follow the
enactment of the bill which he proposes. On the contrary,
I believe that having carried this measure, having sanc-
tioned the abolition of church rates without previding
substitute, fresh attacks would be made, and, not being
willing to countenance or favour those attacks, I shall op-
pose the second reading of the bill. (Cheers.)
Lord PALMERSTON—Sir, after the concurs my noble
friend has passed upon the course which her Majesty's
Government have, upon full consideration, determined to
pursue with reference to this subject, I fool it my duty to
address some observations to the house. This question is
undoubtedly surrounded by the greatest possible diffieulties.
If that had not been the case it would long since have been
settled by some legislative enactment. Having seen the
various plans which have been proposed by different mein-
hers of this house with the view of effecting,/ settlement, and
having fully considered a great variety of suggestions which
have been made to us from other quarters, we prepared that
scheme which my right hon. friend the Secretory f the
Home Department has to-night explained. Our opinion
was that this plan would be most conveniently submitted
to the consideration of Parliament by being proposed in
committee as an amendment to the bill of my hon. friend
the member for the Tower Hamlets. Although my noble
friend has been abundant in his censures en tin Iris contlem-
natiata of the course we are erepared to fellow, I did lot
discover from his speech that he could suggest any other
plan which he thought more deserving of the approval of
Parliament. (" Hear," and cheers.) My no, le friend
maintains that the church rate is the property of the
Church by ancient prescription anal by the law of the lend;
but when he endeavoured to show that the existing law of
the land enabled the Church to avail itself of this property,
he utterly ;ailed in doing so, for he was ob igett to confess
that the law, as now declared by tit- highest authorities,
is impotent for his purpose, and that practically the
church rate is a voluntary contribution in each parish of
the kingdom. I say "a voluntary contribution," because,
according to the law, as it has been declared to stand, it
depends upon the voluntary act of the ratepayers in each
pariah whether they will or will not raise this particular
rate. It is, then, a mockery to toll the Church that it pos-
sesses a pr ,perty of which it is unable to avail itself, of
which it may be deprived by the vote of a majority of
the ratepayers, and from which we know that in a great
number of the most populous parishes of the kingdom it
has been unable to derive any bexefit. The course we in-
tend to pursue is to recognise the existing state of things
in parishes whore church rates are levied, an l to provide
another arrangement for those parishes in which a different
set of circumstances has arisen. Burt my noble friend says
that part of our plan lays the foundation of perpetual
strife. What is the present state of the law ? Why, von
are liable to have in every parish every year that battle iu
the vestry which my noble friend wishes to avoid—th at
struggle whether a rate shall er shall not be imposed, and
the recent decisious of the courts are an encouragement to
the continuanceof such contests. Unless seine other ar-
rangement is adopted it is perfectly plain that the peace
and harmony which it is the object of my noble friend,
and I trust of every member of this house, to establish,
cannot by any possibility be expected to prevail. Them I
say the course which we propose ; o pursue is ono which in
reason ought to recommend itself to the approbation of
Parliament. What says authority on the subject
My noble friend, indeed, disdains authority. 1-Vith
all his respect anal veneration for the Church, Ire
throws over, without the slightest hesitation, the opiro
ions of the head of the Church, sanctioned by the dig
nitaries of the Church, and form illy proposed to Parlia-
ment in the shape of a bill submitted for the consideration
of the other house. We have heard, on the continent. of
people who were more royalist than the king. My Yield()
friend is a greater Churchman than the head of the Church
himself. ( laugh.) I think the house will be more dis-
posed to give its favourable consideration to is measure
which, Upon full deliberation, the leaders of the Church
have thought not inconsistent with the interests of the
Church than it will be to listen to the arguments of those
who want things' to remain in their present state. We have
been brought irate a condition is which there is no alter-
native between that which hon. gentlemen opposite wish
to do—to make the levy of church rates compulsory upon
every parish and upon every rate-payer in every parish—
or coming to some arraagentent ouch as that which we have
thrown out for the consideration of P.arliament. To revert
to That which was believed anciently to be the law is what.
I think, the house will not be prepared to do. In the pre-
sent state of religious differences the house will not, I our
sure, adopt a measure to wake a church rate compulsory—
compulsory upon every parish to levy, arid compulsory
upon every parishioner to pay. That is entirely out of the
question, anti if :tub° ly were rash enough to propose it
I there would not be the alightest chance of such a measure
1 receiving the assent of Parlieinent. What, then, are we to
do ? Shall we allow things to remain as they are? That
would be to sanction the ebolitiou of church rates in a
great number of parishes, and to lay the foundation of dis-
cord and strife - to use the worths of ray noble friend—in
all those parishes in which they have hitherto been levied.
I believe that the course which we propose to pursue is the
only rational anal s tfe ono. We prop • that where the
propose
rate has not been levied, or where it shall riot be levied,
there it shad be voluntary in one sense of the wor I—rh.t
is to Any, those who •lo not regard themselves as members
of the Church of England shall not be liable to have the
rate forced upon there ; but, on the other hand, we provide
for an creanieetion for the proper application of those sums
which, either by voluntary coutribution or by the payment
of a rate, shell be available for the repair of the febrie of
the church and the maintenance of divine worship. That
is a plan which, I am sure, the more it is coesitlered the
more bon. members will feel it to bo admirably calculeted
to obviate the ditteultioa of the case. If any hon. gentle-
man can suggest a better we shall he ready to consider it—
(laughter from the Opposition) ; —but I feel that a strenuous
and sincere effort should at length be made to settle this
question, to which we have given the best consideration in
our power. (Hear, hear.) We believe that the arrange-
ments which my right honourable friend has explained
will be calculated to accomplish the object in view, and we
shall be prepared, when the bill goes into committee, to
lay those arrangements in greater detail b-fore the house.
We are told that we ought to have brought in a separate
bill—(cheers from the Opposition) —that we ought to have
rejected the measure now before the house, because it went
further than we were prepared to go, and that we ought to
have gone into the same lobby with those who differ from
its as widely as hon. gentlemen opposite do, for the pur-
pose of voting against a bill which in part we approve, in
order afterwards to bring in a measure of our own. That
course would not have been at all consistent with the pur-
poses we have is view. (A laugh.) We agree avail the
present bill in regard to those parishes ha which church
rates have hitherto not been levied. We agree with the
principle of the bill as app'icable in future to parishes in
which the rate may be refused. It would, therefore, have
been inconsistent with the opinions wo entertain to simply
reject the bill. We believe that we can make it a good
measure, and I flatter myself that when our alterations and
amendments shall have beers submitted to the cored (era-
tion of Parliament, they will meet with general approba-
tion. (Cheers.)
Mr. MIALL, who rose amid loud calls for a division, was
sure the house would not be guilty of the iejustice of corn-
ing to a vote without listening to one of those Di-senters

whose interests were chiefly affected by the bill. The noble
lord the member for Colchester had professed to discern in
the bill a machinery intended to encroach upon the liberty
of Churchmen to manage their own affairs. He could as-
sure the noble lord that the Dissenters were not only will-
ing to give up the entire machinery, but wouldiprefer to have
the two abolition clauses pure aid simple. The machinery
was constructed by an eminent friend and professor of the
Church of England, not with a view to please the Dissenting
body or to accomplish their objects, but to remove certain
legal obstacles which were referred to in debate two or three
years ago by the right hon. gentleman the member for
Oxford Iniversity, and to provide for the application of
voluntary contributioes in the safest and most practicable
manner. He must be permitted to refer to one fallacy which
ran through the entire argument of the opponent, of the
bill, and which was not only pepillar in that bowie, but pre-
vailed widely out of doors. 'ro t,klk of " our Church," con-
tributions made to "our Church," property settled on " our
Church," was to speak as if the Church of Euglend were a
community separa,,e.from the nation at large He did not
understand that. He stood there• n his right as a British
subject to regulate a national institution in which be was
as much interested as any other member of the house : and
although he might sustain the disadvantage of being un-
able to avail himself of the religious services of the Church,
yet he claimed all the righte and powers with respect to
the maintenance and regulation of the N dional Establish.
men which belonged to the strictest Ohurchtnan in the
country. (' Oh, oh !") He understood those cries of
"Oh ;" they meant how was it that he desired, holding
such views, to escape from a national tax for the support
of the Church ? That was a fair argument, but one easily
answered. The members of the Established Church, un-
like the Dissenters, enjoyed the free use of all the churches
throughout the country, and it was only fair that they
should be asked to maintain Ahern in ean efficient state, of
repair. (" Divide !") He know that bon. gentlemen oppo-
site were anxious to go to a division, and he, too, was de.
shwa that the quaties should be doctioi kT ante Wore

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THE SUN LONDON, TH_UItS DA Y RV EN ENG, MARCH 6, 1856.

the house adjourned ; but he thought that upon an occa- t
sion like the presout,, who,n all pr Nious speakers had been
members of the Chinch of E ,gland, some indulgence should
he e item:lel to one who wished to express the sentiments
of a very large poition of her ..11,jesty a subjects. The noble
lord the member for the City of London had stated that,
if he saw any substitute for the,church rate, he would
be willing to vote •for the second reading of the bill.
It had amused biin—it would 1111111'0 any Dissenter ac-
quainted with the operation of the voluntary principle --
to v6lllOBB the perplexity of noble lords and hon. gentle-
men to find a substitute for the church rate. It reminded
him of the old lady who searched every room in the house
for her spectacles, and found them at last on her nose.
(" Divide !") lie wetal tell the friends of the Church that
they had an excellent substitute, if they would only avail
themselves of it, in the zeal and liberality of their own
Da-tubers. In Wales, a poor country, the Dissenters
all their own cbapels, and in Ireland, a poorer
country still, the Roman Catholics did the same. It was
only in England, a rich country, where the great body of
the landowners belonged to the Estabdsheil -Church, that
any difficulty was felt in providing fir the sustentation of
religious edifices and the maintenance divine service.
But he believed that if they were to open the vein of libe-
rality and benevolence which he had indicated, the result
would astonish themselves ; and certain he was that if the
bill were carried it would do more to advance the church
in its spiritual power and influence than all the rates ever
levied. (Hear, hear.)
Lord J. MANNERS—I am informed that, having left
the house for a few kiinutes, the hon. and learned Attor-
ney-General commented on my absence, and expressed
himself displeased with some expressions which ho alleged
had fallen from me in debate. I can assure the hon, and
learned gentleman that I had not the faintest wish in any
way to offend him. and if any expressions dropped from
Inv month which did hurt his feelings I am most anxious to
retract them. I beg leave, in conclusion, to assure him
that, whatever opinion he may entertain of me, I enter.
tain towards him no feeling but one of the highest re-
spect. (Cheers.)
The hones then divided ; the numbers were :
For the second reading
Against it l7B
Majority —l3

The minonticement of the nunib•zrs; was received with
some cheering oil the Ministerid side, in the midA of

Mr. WALPOLE rose and said that, the division having
been mainly taken upon the amendments announced by
the Government. he would like to know when those
amendments would be laid on the table?
Sir G. GREY—Some day before the E Later recess. I
have only to re ark that last year the majority for the
second reading of the bill. when no such amendment, were
announced by the Government, was considerably smaller
than upon the present occasion. (A laugh.)
Mr K. SEYMER inquired whether the bill would now
be regarded as a Government measure, and taken on Go-
vernment days?
Sir G. GREY replied that it was not a Government bill,
and could not take precedence of Government business.
But the Government would in future give facilities for its
discussion in C2BO its introducer, as a private member,
should be unable to effect a satisfactory arrangement him-
self. When the house went into committee the Govern-
ment would be prepared to submit their amendments.
Mr. DISRAELI—I do not intend to enter into the com-
parative statistics of different session, ; but as the right
hon. gentleman has referred to the division of last year,
I may as well remind him that on that occasion I believe
he voted with those who now sit on this aide of the house.
Sir G. GREY—Allow me to state that the right bon.
gentleman is mistaken. I was not in the division, but I
stated, in reply to a question, that the Government did
not feel themselves in a position to support the bill, be-
cause they had not any amendrneuts prepared. (dear.)
Mr. NE WDEGATE said that, if the right hon. hart.
was not in the division last year, it was certain that the
noble lord at the hen I of the Government both spoke and
voted against the bill. Re confessed that he was tench
surprised at the result of the division which hail just
taken place—daughter from the Ministerial bunches)—but
he rejoiced that they would have another opportunity of
considering the principle of the bill, which at present coral
not be understood, owing to the elemeats of uncertainty
introdece 1 1,3, the Government. (1-lesr.)
Mr. ROEBUCK—The difforeuce between this year and
la t showe that we are advancing. (A. laugh.)
DISSENTERS' MARRIAGES BILL.

Mr. A. PELLA. IT m ived the second reading of this
bill, which wa-i, in eff-cr, the same al the one which
pa,ssd a second readins: tat session.
After a few observations from Sir W. Heathcote.
Lord 111 r. Henley, and several
other li.nouratile member., the bill was read
a second time and ordered to be committed on the 11th
of April. _ _

The other bu,ines= having been disposed of, the house
adjourned nt balf•past 5.

Mr. H. W. WICKIZAM paired in f +your of Sir W.
Ciay'd bill, with Sir M. S. STEWART against.

PA RLIAMEN TA I?Y DIVISION.

HOUSE OF CONINIONS.--MARca 5.
CIIURCII-P.ATES ABOLITION BILL.

Order for second reading read ; Motion male, and question
proposed, " That the Bill be now read a second time :"
Amendomnt proposed to l.,ave oat the word " now," and
at the end of the question to add the words " upon this
day six months :" Question put, that the word now'
stand part of the question :"—The House divided ; Ayes
221, Noes 178.

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Evart, W. Moffat, ';. Woo 1, Sir C.
Ewa.' t, J. Monck, Vis. Wywill, M.
Fenw, ck, H. Moncriiiff, J.
Eer.vison, J. Morris, D.
Fitz Gerald, Sir John Mowart, F.
Fitzgera.d, J. Mulgra • e, earl of

TELLER%
Clay, Sir W., ISt.
E.

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Acland, Sir T. Gladstone, Capt. J. Morgan, 0.
Adderlev, C. B. Go idard A. Mombray, J. R.
Alinesley, Earl of Gooeh, Sir E. M ulllngs. .1. It.
Arinithnott, Gen. H. Gore. 'V. Mond v, tv.
Archdall. Capt. M. Graham, Sir ..I. Newark, Visccunt
Bag4e, W. Graham, Lord 31. Newilegate, C.
Bailey, Sir J. Or -enc., Thomas N wport, Viscount
Baillie, U. Guinness, R. S. North, Col. J.
Ranker, Rt. iron. G. Gwyn, Bowel Oakes, J.
Barrington, Vist. Haildo, Lord Ossulslon, Lord
Barrow, W. Hale, Robert Pazke. C.
Rennet, Capt. P. Wilford, Sir Henry Pakington, Sir J.
Beresford, Rt. Ha. W. Hal, General John Palmer, Robert
Wgnold, Sir S. Harcourt, G. G. Pal r•er, rtouudell
Blackburn, P. Hare tort, Col. Parker, R.
liLikeinoro, T. Hardinge, Hun. C. Patten, Col.
Bond, J. Hardy,. G. reacocke. G.
Bromley-lii ore, J. days', Sir E. Peel, Gen.
Bramston, T. W. Heatheoate, Sir W. Percy, J.
Buck, L. W. Il enea re, Geo. F. Philipps. J.
Buck, Col. Henley, J. Pll.ll more, R. J
Banbury, W. B. Herbert, S. . Portal, M.
Burronghes, U. N. Herhert, Sir T. Powell. Col. W.
Butt, G. NI. Ilihiyard, It. C. Pritchard, J.
Cecil, Lord Holf) .1, R. Robertson, I'.
Chelsea, Viscount Hothmi. Lord Huss 11, Lord J.
Child, Smith Hume, W. SaialArs, 0.
Christy,• Samuel Jenny!), Rt. Hn. Earl Scymer, II
Cobbuld, J.C. Jolli ire, Sir rY. Silithorp, Major
Cocks, T. S. Jolli(Te, if Soduth, -ir W.
Cole, 11. A. Jones, Admiral Sm tit, W.
Coles, 11. Jones, D. Slid .h. Abel
Colvile, C. R. Hell , Sir F. Sm th, John
Compton, H. C. Kendall, N. Smollett, A.
Corry, H. T. L. Kerrisco,, Sir E. Spooner, It.
Davies, 1), King, J. StAfford, A.
Davies, J. Knatchbull, W. Stanhope, J.
Davison, It. Knightley, R. htracey, 11.
Deedes, willianm linox, Col. It. IV. Stuart, Captain
Hering, Sir E. Langton, W. H. P. G. Thesiger, Sir. F.
Disraeli, B. Legit, G C. Tolleinache, J.
Drummond, H. Len ox, Lord A. F. Tyler, Slr G.
Duncornbe, Hon. A. Lennox. lord 11. G. Vance, John
Dunc.oinbe, 0. Liddell, ft. G. Vansittart, G.
Du Pre, C. Lock.iart, A. E. Waddington. D.
East, Sir J. . Loyaine, Lord , Waddington, H.
Egerton, IV . Luhington, .M. Walcott, Aiintira:.
Estcourt, T. Lytton, 'lr E. vva:pole. 4.
Eves ii, W. J. Macat tney, G. Walsh, Sir J.
Farnham, E. MficGregor, James W irren, S.
Farrer, J. Maddock, S,r H. We,lbv, Sir 0.
Ft:Howes, L. Malins, Richard Whiteside, J.
Ferguson, sir J. Manners. Lord G. Whitraoro, II
Filiner, Sir E. M.trch, Earl of Wigram, Loftus T.
F over, J. Meux,,ir 11.. Wyndham, Gen.
Follttt, B. S. Miles, W. Wynn, Lt.-Col.
FO,ster, Cr 1. Ililties, It. Wynne, W.
Fresittled, J. Michell, William TELLERS.
Gilpin, vol. q. Moil, gorhery, Sir G. Manners, 11.,,,d J.
Giactsioile, w. moody, C. NOrtheote, Sir S.

Ahont, 140 men, and the same number of horses, of
the Royal Artillery, embarked on hoard the Sarah Sands
at Liverpool, yesterday, fir the Mediterranean.
()niers have been received by the GoionandsAtt:of
Chatham garrison., directing him to hold in readinesi a
detachMent of the 12th Regiment from the depot of that.
corps, under orders to embark for Australia, to join
bead.qoarter4. The detachment will con%ist of seven
officers and 90 non oorrimi.sioned ..ffic,rs and private..
Tot, f.kilitvinV heloogi, g to the depot of the
40th Rt•grj(oenr. have also received officers to embark
with the detachment of the 12th Foot:—Lieutenant E.
H. M. Tod, Lieuteuu.ut F. W, 9.ibume, awl Esuign Do
NsufTillo Lucas.

TII TS FREYCTI BT7DGET FM?. 1357.

BUDGET OF RECEIPT 3

The fortunate result, of the year 1855, to which are
j lined the hopes of peace which it is no:v permitted to
entertain, would perhaps seem to authorige a high esti.
mite of the receipts. But the Government has not
thought so. Contrary to the course followed in the
latter times, and though events fiav, thas jastified the
hopes of our /widgets, it has considered that it would be
proper to confine it,elf within the limit of the receipt re-
alised in 1.‘55 and of the estimates admitted by you for
1356. The indirect taxes and revenue,, on which is con-
centrated almost exclumively the question of the estimates,
figured in the budget of. r,ci-opts for the year 1855 at
891,756.0501. The bn'iget of 1856, voted by you last
year, estimated them at 929,699,0001. The receipts of
1855 attained fir the old duties only 929,474 000 f. The
new taxes voted in your la .t session, but as a temporary
measure only, have produced for part of the year
1855, 33,100,000 f . and will give for the whole
year 1856, 83 000,000 f. It is on this certain
ba.,is that the estim .tre which are, proposed t..) you
for 1857 repo-e. It has, however, appeared right
to increase by a favoura,b e estimate the yield of
the duty on potable liquor., remaining however below
the itntimates :Airlifted by the budg,at of 1856. Iu fact
we may hope that the accidental cau-,es which have
lowered the amount-of that tax will not be reproduced
in 1857. A similar ob,ierva,tion has caused an increase
to be set d 'yen in the receipts from the duty on the ma-
riufacture of native sugar. Finally, the normal increase
in the proceeds of the tobacco duties bas been taken into
account, but without exceeding for 1857 the estimate of
the budget of 1856. Tnus, the total produce of the in-
direct taxes and revenues, for the whole of the old aid
new duties, will be set down in the budget of 1857 at
1,031,010,000 fr.