The Sun.
London, England, 1860-08-14 00:00:00

[LEFT SITTING.]

HOUSE OF COMMONS.-(Trn3 DAY.)
The SPEAKER took the chair at ten minutes put
2 o'clock.

THE DUTY ON HOPS.

On the order of the day for receiving the report on the
India Loan,
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER begged to
correct au error into which he had been led, when he stated
that he proposed to reduce the duty on British hops to 165.;
whereas, what he intended to have said was, that the duty
was to be reduced to 14s.
EAST INDIA LOAN.

On the bringing up of the report on the East India Loan,
Mr. HADFIELD strongly deprecated the proposal for
taxing British manufactures imported into India to the ex-
tent of 10 per cent. They had hitherto been in the habit
of sending spices to India instead of manufactures, and the
amount sent within the last 20 years was very considerable,
and no one knew where it went. He believed that this
tariff would operate most injuriously on the manufacturing
interests of the country, and he had already heard a loud
♦oice from Lancashire in regard to this subject.
Mr. BAZLEY said that he had just received a letter
from India to the effect that the proposed tariff was already
affecting that country injuriously. It was stated that at
Calcutta labour was being diverted from agriculture to
manufactures ; the result of which would be that the land
would be improperly cultivated. In reality the amount
charged on British goods would be much more than they
were led to believe last night. Instead of being 10 per cent.,
in some cases it would be 20 per cent., and in others it
would be still more, for the charge of transmission of some
goods to India amounted to 15 per cent., which, with the
additional 10 per cent., would make a total of 25 per cent.
With such a charge it would be impossible for the British
manufacturer to compete with the native manufacturer.
Mills were being erected in India, and machinery was being
imported from this country. His correspondent assured
him the effect had been that labour was diverted from agri-
culture to manufacturing pursuits. They might reasonably
look forward to an increase in their trade with India if it
was.not unfairly restricted.
Sir J. GRAHAM drew attention to the amount granted
for those who were invalided in the East India service.
Years ago that amount had been fixed at 560,000 a-year,
but then there were only 20,009 English troops in India.
Now they were to have 80,000 troops in that country, and
the computation could not be much less than 1500,000.
Sir C. WOOD said that from information he had received
he was induced to believe that labour was not diverted

from agriculture. Wages were increased, and that was a
proof that agriculture in India was developing itself. With
respect to manufactures the duty on the principal
articles imported into India from this country
had been reduced from 20 to 10 per cent. He agreed
with the right hon. baronet (Sir J. Graham) as to the in -
adequacy of the commutation of £60,000, and he trusted
that they would be able to increase it next autumn.
The report was agreed to.
THE "RIDE" IN KENSINGTON-GARDENS.

On the motion for going into committee of supply,
Mr. E. JAMES drew attention to a report which had
appeared in the newspapers as to a Beene which was alleged
to have occurred at what was now called " Cowper's Folly"
on last Sunday week. It was stated that a number of per-
sons had assembled in the gardens at this point, and that
they were addressed by a gentleman from the east end of
the metropolis. When he had concluded, the right hon.
gentlemen the First Commissioner of Works replied
to him—(laughter)—and he understood that he had suc-
ceeded in producing an impression on the audience in his
(Mr. Cowper's) favour. He believed that there was to be
another large meeting in the gardens next Sunday in order
to hear the right hon, gentleman. (Laughter.) He hoped,
in order to prevent disappointment, that the right hon.
gentleman would state whether he would address the meet-
ing next Sunday. (Great laughter.)
Mr. COWPER said that the Sunday before last he was
taking an afternoon walk in Hydo Park, not Kensington
Gardens, and he saw a number of persons assembled there.
A person was addressing them, expressing what were called
Chartist opinions. He was abusing the aristocracy, and
adduced him (Mr. Cowper) as an example of an
embodiment of all the vices of that order. (Laughter.) He
described him, in regard to the " Rido' in Kensington
Gardens, as one who trampled on the wishes and ♦iews of
the labouring classes, in order to confer some advantage on
his own class. Imprudently, perhaps, he (Mr. Cowper)
thought it might be of some benefit if he endeavoured to
correct the erroneous opinions that appeared to be
entertained. He certainly might have been wrong,
but as he had always been a Liberal since he took a part in
politics, and had respect for the opinions of honest men
whether in fustian or in broad cloth, he thought it right to
make a statement to the meeting to the effect that the
statements of the speaker were unfounded and calumnious.
That course appeared to him to be the most manly. (Laugh-
ter.) The right hon. gentleman then proceeded to state
that there was no desire on his part to exclude the public
generally, or to confer any advantage on his own class.
®;CORPORAL PUNISHMENT IN HOUSES O
CORRECTION.

Colonel NORTH drew the attention of the house to the
report of corporal punishment inflicted in the gaols and,
houses of correction in the UniAtcl Kinplora fox go wat
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three years. He contended, that the punishment inflicted
onyoung persons in many cases was excessive, and that the
present system required considerable improvement.
After some conversation the subject dropped.
TREASURY MINUTES.

Mr. GRIFFITH asked the Secretary to the Treasury if
he was willing to furnish the names of the Lords Commis-
sioners of the Treasury who were personally present at the
meetings of the Board at which the Treasury minutes of
the following dates were adopted, and who gave orders for
their transmission to the authorities of the War•office as
answers to their communications : Treasury minute of June
21, 1858, and Treasury minute of January 21, 1859:
and, the dates of the meetings of the Treasury Board, and
the names cf the Lords Commissioners who were present,
who gave orders for the transmission of the following letters
from the Treasury to the War-office :—Letter dated Trea-
sury Chambers, the 24th day of December, 1859, signed S.
Laing, and letter, dated Treasury Chambers, the 31st day
of January, 1860, signed Geo. A. Hamilton ?
Mr. LAING said he could not give the honourable
member the exact information he required, be-
cause there were no records kept that would
enable him to do so, and even if there were he would not
feel justified in divulging the information in question.
The Lords Commissioners collectively were responsible for
the letters alluded to by the hon. member.