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London, England, 1869-06-19 00:00:00

- THE SUL LONDON; SATURDAY EVENIN9, JUNE 19, 1E69.

awkward Volunteer who has fired off his piece with-
out orders from his commanding officer." Speaking.
thus, in his character as an ex-Premier, and who as sudh
sympathized very naturally with his now successor in
that supreme Ministerial office, the noble earl at once
by that one casual gibe at Mr. BRIGIIVS indiscretion,
reduced to his proper level that insubordinate col-
league of Mr. GLADSTONE and his associates iu the
Ministry, one who has more than once of late proved
himself to be the enfant terrible of their Adminis-
tration. The mistake, all through, appears to be this,
that .the President of the Board of Trade fancies
himself and not Mr. GLADSTONE to be really and
truly the First Lord of the Treasury. Acting under
this hallucination, he talks and writes as though he
were himself invested with a sort of autocratic irre-
sponsibility. Fleeriog and jeering at the Lords, he,
by this last escapade of his, ran the Ministerial Bill
the imminent risk of being rejected impetuously, on
the motion for the Second Reading of it, if only as a
protest on the part of the Peers against the imper-
tinence of anything like dictation. The Lords have,
by their cdm and dispassionate decision—a decision
arrived at after a protracted debate, in which they
have more than sustained their reputation for argu-
mentative eloquence, for logical acumen, for brilliant
wit, and for all the manifold and varied graces of
cultivated oratory—by the calm and dispassionate de-
cision they have arrived at, after that late-noble, and
in one or two instances, memorable debate, the Lords
have very signally demonstrated, in the face of the
whole country, the po3session by them of that very
gift of wisdom which was so insolently denied to
them by one of the foremost members of her MA-
JESTY'S Government.
It now remains to be seen how far the Government
in its turn will respond to this manly decision of
the. House of Lords, by which the Irish Church Bill
has, by a majority of thirty-three, beencarried through
a Second Reading—how far, we say, the Ministry
will respond to this, by allowing this or
that Amendment to stand good, after hav-
ing been decided upon by the Lords in
Committee. Lord SALISBURY'S sarcasm, one of his
most telling sarcasms, on Thursday evening, referred
to the late Premier as one who was not altogether an-
tagonistic to amendments I As a matter of course
the allusion thus made excited, upon the instant of
its utterance, the hilarity of the House of Peers, the
noble lords remembering perfectly well the fact that
.
only as recently as a year ago amendments made fur
Mr. DISRAELI the very graund he trod upon—that,
otherwise to express it, his path to power and to
success w.,s, so to speak, tesselated with amendments.
In regard to the fact that it was so, it is
all very natural for the :Marquis of SALISBURY
to be ironical, and for the House of Lords to be
moved to laughter ; but there is surely no reason
why Mr. DISRAELI'S immediate :successor in the Pre.
miership should immediately rush to the very opposite
extreme and, because of his security in power and of
the splendour of his success, set his face like flint,
obdurately and inexorably, against any thing at all in
the shape of amendments.

THE debate which followed the BRIGHT letter
episode in the House of Lords was not up to
the mark of the preceding nights. It is no discredit
to an invalid of more than threescore years and ten
that he should no longer possess the brilliancy and
the fire of ten or fifteen years ago, and no one can
be surprised that Lord flimsy, who, fifteen months
ago, was compelled to resign the Premiership
through ill-health, should scarcely have been equal
to the occasion on Thursday. But in one respect it
was a speech of the old style. The denuncia-
tion of Mr. GLADSTONE as " the most imperious,
absclute, and erratic Minister that ever swayed the
destinies of this country" revealed the fact—which,
indeed, everyone knew—that Lord DERBY is a good
hater. His assertion that this same Minister was
" overbearing the conscience of the QUEEN," and that
the House of Lords was called upon to relieve her
from the deplorable dlemma of being compelled to
violate her oath, or to assume a position which it
would be impossible for her to maintain,"
was quite in accordance with the many terribly
rash and unconstitutional statements whereof
the old leader of the " Constitutional " party
has been guilty in times past. The appeal to
prejudice which he used, by declaring that the
Irish Church Bill was the work of Mr. MIALL, was
only a repetition of a similar argument used three
years ago, when the prejudices of the Conservative
party were kindled to fanaticism by the assertion
that the RUSSELL-GLADSTONE Reform Bill was the
work of Mr. BRIGHT. Fortunately for the Conser-
vative party, they remember what followed that
appeal to their personal antipathies, and the
most distinguished of them decline to be
made a second time utensils for dishing the
Whigs. The statesmanlike speeches of the Marquis
of SALISBURY and Earl STANHOPE forcibly expressed
the opinionofthpearty, more clear-sighted
recommended
members of
the Conservative
to them by their old chief is the most dangerous and
most unconstitutional which could
possibly
be
suggested. Their own position is eminently
logical. They do not like the bill ; but they believe
that its main principles have been adopted by the
country, and that they have no right to set their
individual opinions against the national will. At
the same time they do not consider that the country
has endorsed the details of the bill, and they hold
that they are free to modify these. It is for this
reason that nearly all the most distinguished Con-
servative peers recorded their votes with the ayes,
and thus did their best to avoid a conflict with the
nation which they would be wholly unable to sustain.

founding no claim on the QUEEN'S Proclamation,
will represent it at an unfriendly act, and
as forming, in connection with other such
unfriendly proceedings, a claim for compen-
sation. But as a demand of this kind is
much too vague to come within the scope of inter-
national law, and as it would be impossible to estimate
the amount of the danrges justified by such a cause,
this part of the American Ambassador's
instructions can be regarded only as a diplomatic
mode of shelving the belligerency point altogether.
As our liability for the QUEEN'S proclama-
tion was precisely the question which the
British Government throughout refused to
consider, the Alabama difficulty comes to an end.
The question will rest awhile; but when negotiation
is resumed, there will be nothing to prevent an
immediate settlement.

The American people have thus successfully
resisted all attempts to involve them in war. Mr.
SUMNER'S threatening speech, Mr. CHANDLER'S
tempting suggestion to take Canada in payment of
the Alabama claims, have alike failed to command
consideration. Tiae still more dangerous proposal made
by the Republicanleaders, to open the electoral cam-
paign with a warlike programme against England,
has proved equally abortive. This proposition, as
wicked as it was unwise, seems to have
been prompted by alarm at the progress made
by free - trade doctrines. The Protectionists
perceive that the tariff is rapidly becoming the
question of the clay, and they would willingly.create
a diversion, even at the risk of involving their
country in war. But the politics of a great
State are not to be manipulated in this
way. Great questions arise out of the
necessities and interests of nations, they are
not made at the bidding of individuals. The
Republicans have seen that their war platform would
meet with no favour, and they have prudently re-
treated. The Americans, in fact, have other objects
in view. They desire peace, the development of trade,
and, above all, the reduction of their debt. The most
popular statesman in America at thipresent moment
is, perhaps, Mr. BOUTWELL, and he is popular simply
because, mainly by a fortunate increase of the revenue,
he has been able to effect an exceptionally largereduc-
tion of debt. The desire of the people of the United
States to wipe out their debt altogether is one of the
peculiar points of their policy which we must respect
if we do not imitate it. It deserves respect all
the more because it is a policy which is utterly
inconsistent with a desire for war.

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fIER MAJESTY.

WINDSOR CASTLE, June 18.

The Queen, accompanied by her Royal High-
ness Princess Beatrice, walked in the grounds this

morning.

LATEST INTELLIGENCE

(I:I:I2'"EL'S TELEGRAMS.)

THE DIVISION ON THE IRISH CHURCH
BILL.

The numbers on the Irish Church Bill division in the
House of Lords our readers have already had. The
motion was " That the bill be now read a second time"—
(the Earl Granville). It was objected to. An amend-
ment was moved to leave out "now " and insert "this
day three months''—(The Earl of Harrowby) : On ques-
tion, That " now" stand part of the motion. Contents,
179; Not-Contents, 146.

CONTENTS.
LORD Itosse Harris
CHANCELLOR. Russell Hastings
Hatherley Saint Germans Hatherton
DUKES. Sommers Hey tesbury
Cleveland Spencer Houghton
Devonshire Strafford Keane
Graf ton Suffolk and Berk- Kenry
...

Leeds shire .
Lawrence
Norfolk Winchilsea and Leigh
St. Albans Nottingham Lismore
Somerset Yarborough Londesborough
Sutherland Zetland Lovat

MARQUISES. VISCOUNTS. Luzgans
Ailesbury Eversley Lyons
Anglesey Falmouth Lyttelton
Bath Halifax Lytton
Camden Leinster Lyveden
Lansdowne Li fford Meldrum
Normanby Powerscourt Meredith
Salisbury Sidmouth Methuen
To wnshend Sydney Minster
Winchester BISHOP. Monck
EARLS. St. David's Monson
Abingdon LORDS. Monteagle
Ai rlie Abercromby Mostyn
Albemarle Abinger Northbrook
Camperdown Annaly 0 v erstone
Carnarvon Arundell of War- Oxenfoord
Cathcart dour Panmure
Cawdor Aud ley Penzance
Chichester Aveland Petre
Clarendon Barrogill Poltimore
Cottenham Bateman Ponsonby (Teller)
Cowley Bell er Ribblesdale
Cowper Bolton Romilly
Craven Boyle Rosebery
Dartrey Brougham & Vaux Rossie
De Grey Calthorpe Sandys
De La Warr Cam oye Saye and Sele
Denbigh Carew Seaton
Devon Carrington Sefton
Dude Carysfort Seymour
Durham Charlemont Sinclair
Essex Chesham Somerhill
Fitzwilliam Churchill Stafford
Fortescue Clandeboye Stourton
Gainsborough Clermont Stratheden
Granville Clifford of Chud- Sudeley
Grey leigh Suffield
Home Cloncurry Su ndridge
Ilchester Conyers Talbot de Malahidf
Innes Dacre Taunton
Jersey Delamere Ternplem ore
Kimberley DeLisle and Dudley Thurlow
Leicester De Manley Truro
Lichfield De Tabley Vaux of Harrow-
Lovelace E bury den
Lucan El phinstone Vernon
Minto Erskine Vivian
Morley Fingall Wenlock
Morton Fi tzhardinge Wentworth
Nelson Foley Westbury
Orford Fox ford Wharncliffe
Portsmouth Granard Wrottesley

NON•CONTENTS.
ARCHBISHOP. Sandwich Colchester
Dublin Scarborough Colkniay
DUKES. Selkirk Colville of Culross
Beaufort Shrewsbury (Teller)
Buckingham and Stamford and War- Congleton
Chandos rington Crofton
Manchester Strange Denman
Marlborough Tankerville De -Hos
Northumberland Vane De Saumarez
Rutland Westmoreland Di ;by
MARQUISES. Wilton Dunboyne
Abercorn Viscourrs. Fitzwalter
Ailsa Bangor Gage
Bristol Bolingbroke and Gormanston
Exeter St. John Grinstead
Westmeath Clancarty Hartismere
EARLS. Combermere Headley
Abergavenny De Vesci llopetoun
Amherst Gough Hylton
Annesley Hawarden Kesteven
Aylesford Hereford Kilmaine
Bandon Hill Kingston
Bathurst Melville Leconfield
Bradford Strathallen Lovel and Holland
Brooke and War. Templetown Middleton
wick BISHOPS. Moore
Cadogan Bangor Northwick
Chesterfield Derry and Raphoe O'Neill
Coventry Durham Oriel
Dartmouth Ely Ormathwaite
Derby Glocester & Bristol Ormonde
Dudley Hereford Raglan
Eldon Lichfield Ravensworth
Ellenborou,gh Llandaff Rayleigh
Erne London Bedesdale
Ferrers Norwich Rivers
Fe V ersham Peterborough Ross
Graham Ripon Saltersford
Haddington Rochester Saltoun
Hard wicke Tuam, &c. Scarsdale
Harewood Worcester Sheffield
Harrington Loans. S iICII ester
Ha rrowby Berners Skelmersdale
I I illsborough Blantyre Sondes
1 i untingdoa Brancepeth Southampton
Lauderdale " Braybrooke Stewart of GarlieE
Leven and Melville Brodrick Strathspey
Macclesfield Cairns Tredegar
Mal inesbury Castlernaine Walsingham
Mansfield Chelmsford Wemyss
Mount Cashell Churston Willoughby de,
Orkney Clarina, Broke
Romney Clements Wy Ilford.