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objection to the election of a bishop named by the
sovereign, shall on the confirmation of such bishop in
Bow Church be summoned to state his objection; and if
he answer to the summons he is told that he will not be
heard, but must keep silence. Now there is no need
for solemn mockeries of this kind. There is no need
for the Dean and Chapter to pray for the divine
guidance on their deliberations if they are not allowed
to deliberate ; no need to summon objectors to state
their objections if they are not allowed to open their
mouths. These shams have an ugly look in a
practical age like this. Moreover they irritate and
give needless offence. There is no doubt that the
Act of Prwmunire was originally political in
its object rather than ecclesiastical; that it was in-
tended to guard the right of the Sovereign against the
Pope rather than to secure to the Crown the right of
selecting its favourite theologians. For that reason,
as well as others, there is no necessity for retaining
on the statute book a measure so thoroughly out of
keeping with the age in which we live.
While we admit that chapters and bishops have a
clear grievance, the remedy is not so clear. Any altera-
tion in the appointment of bishops would open the
whole question of the relations between Church and
State in a manner that would be very dangerous to the
connection between the two at such a critical juncture
as this. Of course if the clergy generally were of the
same mind as Dr. PUSSY, or if the laity thought
with Mr. CORRANCE, and felt that they would rather
sever the uniJn between Church and State than
submit to the appointment of a bishop who had once
bound up an unobjectionable university sermon in a
volume which contained some objectionable essays,
the matter would be clear enough. It would then
remain only for Mr. GLADSTONE to bring in his Irish
Church Bill again, substituting the words " Church
of England " for " Church of Ireland." But we
imagine the great majority of both clergy and laity
are not for such an extreme step. If
they are not, what do they wish done ?
Lord COTTENHAM urged, during the debate which
the late Bishop of EXETER originated, that if the
QUEEN'S right to nominate Bishops is to be main-
tained there must be a penalty against those who
refuse to obey the QUEEN'S mandate. But why have
any election at all ? It is a pure farce. It did not
exist in the Irish Church. The QUEEN has now lost
the power to nominate bishops in that Church, but so
long as she and her predecessors possessed it the
power was absolute, and the deans and chapters
had not even a nominal voice in the matter.
Of two things one : either discontinue the appoint-
ment of Bishops by the Crown, which is equivalent
to the separation of Church and State ; or, if the
power of appointment remains with the Crown, let
each appointment be an act complete in itself,
without the troublesome and sometimes conscience-
disturbing formalities of an election and a con-
firmation. There is no fear now that men
of immoral lives will be appointed, as they
were in the earlier Georgian days. It is the
Minister who really appoints ; the Minister who is
responsible to the nation, and who will not venture
to defy public opinion. It may be said that the
present appointment to Exeter is a proof to the con-
trary. We deny it. Dr. TEMPLE'S appointment
gives satisfaction to probably more than half of
the clergy, and ninety-nine hundredths of the
laity. It would be wise for the first to
consider well before they alter the present state of
things. If the appointment of bishops should be
transferred from the Crown tO the Church, laymen
will not suffer themselves to be excluded from the
act of election ; and if they are once admitted to
vote, bishops of very much " broader" views even
than Dr. TEMPLE will be the order of the day.

LATEST INTELL [GEM

(REUTER'S TELEGRAMS.)

THE HEALTH OF THE KING OF ITALY.
FLORENCE, Nov. 8.
The following official bulletin has been pub-
iisnea

" RoNore, 8 a.m.

" Tie improvement which manifested itself yes-
terday iu hie Majesty's health continues. No in-
crease of fever took place during the night, and
great mitigation of all the other symptoms was
visible. The copious miliary eruption is follow-
ing its regular course.

AMERICA.
(Per French Atlantic CAble.)

NEW YORK, Nov. 6.
COUMERCIAL INTELLIGENCE.
CLOSING PRICES.

Gold closed at 1261 ; the highest quotation dur-
ing the day was 1271 ; the lowest, 1261.
Sterling Exchange on London lOBl.
5-20 U. S. Bonds, 1882 ll5l.
46 46 1885 1134:.
«44 1867 llsj.
10-40 64
lllinois

Erie 2Bk.
Cotton—Mid. upland 2sle.
Petroleum—Standard White 3slc.
Flour, extra state, $5.45e. to $6.05c. Corn, old
mixed, sl.oc.

NEW YORK, Nov. 7.
The Inman Royal mail Steamer City of Brooklyn
arrived here at 10 p.m. All well.

SOUTHAMPTON, Nov. 8.

The North German Lloyd steamer Hansa, from
New York, has arrived here with 130 passengers,
40 sacks of mails, $81,288 for London, and 4,500
packages of cargo for Bremen.

BREST, Nov. 8.

frolm.L e
NTnsewrayoartk!a,ntaircrivCeodmphaerney's steamer Pereire,
this morning at 7
o'clock. She brings 197 passengers, and specie to
the amount of $53,100.

PORTSMOUTH, Nov. 8.

The Indian troopship Crocodile, Capt. Watson,
with troops, arrived here this morning from Alex-

andria.

BOMBAY MAIL.
GIBRALTAR, Nov. 7.

The Peninsular and Oriental Company's steamer
Ceylon left at 6 this morning (Sunday) for South-
ampton, where she may be looked for on the night
of Thursday, the 11th inst.

St. NAZAIRE, Nov. 8.

The Transatlantic Company's steamship Loui-
siane, from the West Indies, has arrived here, with
65 passengers. Her dates are Vera Cruz, 14th
October ; Havannah, 18th ; and St. Thomas, 23d.

MR. U. MOORE AND THE O'DONOOR UE

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The following appears in the Irish Times of Saturday:—
"In consequence of a speech delivered by Mr. G. H.
Moore at Navan, in reply to The O'Donoghue's letter to
the Amnesty Association, The O'Donoghue sent a hostile
message to Mr. Moore demanding a meeting in France or in
Belgium. Mr. Moore replied, naming Major Lynch as his
friend, and stating that Major Lynch would proceed at once
to the Burlington Hotel, London, where he would await the
arrival of The O'Donoghue's friend for the purpose of ar-
ranging a hostile meeting as proposed. On the 3rd of
November Major Lynch received a letter from Mr. P. J.
Smyth, on the part of The O'Donoghue, asking him to
appoint a place of meeting. On the same day Major
Lynch wrote to Mr. Smyth, appointing Boulogne for the
purpo e in question, and stating that he would meet Mr.
Smyth en Friday afternoon at Boulogne. On Friday
morning Mr. Smyth expressed to Major Lynch a wish
that an interview should take place between them for
the purpose of avoiding, if possible, the necessity of
proceeding to the Continent. Mr. Smyth expressed
his willincness to withdraw The o"Donoghue's letter to
Mr. Moore, in ease an arrangement could be carried cut
between them; and Major Lynch agreed in the same case
to withdraw Mr. Moore's letter in reply to The O'Donoghue.
These preliminaries having been complied with, Mr.
Smyth asked for a withdrawal of certain passges referring
to The O'Donoghue contained in Mr. Moore's speech at the
Navan meeting, and Major Lynch having drawn his
attention to the expressions in The O'Donoghue's letter to
the Amnesty Association, which Mr. Moore believed
were intended to apply to him, and to which that speech
was a reply, Mr. Smyth assured Major Lynch that The
O'Donoglrue' letter to the Amnesty Association was not
intended to apply to Mr. Moore personally. Major Lynch,
on the part of Mr. Moore, had no hesitation in declaring
that if Mr. Moore at the Navan meeting used words cal-
culated to impute dishonourable motives to The
O'Donoghue in the discharge of his public duty, he did not
consider him justified in making such an imputation, and
as for his allusion to the O'Donoghue's Irish distinction,
Mr. Moore disclaimed any intention of casting a sneer upon
the ancient family of The O'Donoghue. (Signed) P. C.
LYNCH, P. J. SMYTH. Burlington Hotel, London, Nov. 5,
1869."

ATROCIOUS MURDER IN WALES.

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An atrocious murder has been committed in the neigh-
bourhood of Conwil, Carmarthen. The victim is a woman,
named Esther Davies, tht wife of a fanner, living at a farm
called Blaendaed. The house is situate in a very secluded
part of the country, near the village of Llanpumpsaint, on
the Carmarthen and Cardigan line of railway. About half-
past eight on Thursday evening Mrs. Davies was in a
room at her farm in the act of preparing supper, when some
person unknown fired at her through the window. The
charge entered her body ju t below the heart, and passed
out on the other side. Deceased staggered and fell, and
some men in the room ran to her assistance, bus she
expi ed in about twenty minutes after being shot. The
persons in the room at the time were two servant men, a
boy, and a female s:lvant. The bullet was subsequently
found in a door behind the place where deceased was
standing when shot. It had entered an inch and a
half into the wood, but has since been ext acted, and
is now in possession of the police. On the following
morning marks of the murderer's feet, in stockings, were
traced across two fields, but the trace was then lost. In
consequence of some circumstances which have been
brought to light a brother of the deceased woman's husband
has been taken into custody. The evidence against the
accused is exceedingly meagre. It appears, however, that
the deceased, who was quite a young woman, being only
22 years of age, has been married only a few weeks, and
that before her marriage the two brothers were paying
their addresses to her. The husband, who is a man in com-
fortable circumstances, was absent from the house when
the murder was committed.

The American papers state that Father Hyacinthe
had been indisposed, and was not quite recovered. Nothing
definite was known as to his departure for Boston. •

The Bishop of Oxford will hold his eighth and last
triennial v'sitation of the diocese of Oxford on Thursday
rext in Christ Church Cathedral, when it is expected his
lordship will, in his charge, take a review of the leading
events of his remarkable episcopate of twenty-four years,
and convey his valedictions to the clergy. The Rev. Pre-
bendary Mackarness will, under present arrangements, be
consecrated Bishop of Oxford on St. Thomas's Day, De.
cember 21.

CHILD FARMING.—The Observer understands
that the Council of the National Education "Union have
decided that a deputation shall wait on the Right Hon.
G. J. Goschen, the President of the Poor Law Board, to
protest against any extension of the child-farming system,
which is reported to have been introduced at Warwick,
such system tending, in the councils opinion, to counter-
act the great exertions now being made to improve the
system of general national education.
NEW COUNTY GAOL FOR CUMBERLAND.—A new
prison for the county of Cumberland has just been com-
pleted at Carlisle, at a cost of £lO,OOO. After the passing of
the Prisons Act the magistrates found that the old gaol,
which was erected in 1824 at a cost of £42,000, was not
adapted for the separate system, the adoption of which then
became compulsory. It was found necessary, therefore, to
pull down the whole of the prison buildings within the
boundary wall, and rebuild them upon plans in accordance
with the requirements of the new law.

During the hearing of a case at the Liverpool
Police-court, on Saturday, when some persons were pro-
ceeded against for keeping a house of ill-fame, it tran-
spired that four little girls, three of them 13 and one 14
years of age, had been decoyed to the house, and sent
upon the streets with address cards, and instructions to
" pick up gentlemen," and take them to the den. These
children belonged to respectable parents in Dublin,
had run away from that city and made their way to
Liverpool for the purpose, as they stated, of seeing
Ilingler's Circus.

ELOQUENCE, OR A LAZY REPORTER F—Mr.
Digby Seymour has achieved a few triumphs as an
eloquent speak( r at the bar, but we doubt whether the
following is n,,t the most signal of them. A. Lincolnshire
paper, d, scribing the learned gentleman's speech on a
recent occasion at Louth Sessions when defending a clergy-
man against a somewhat serious charge, says :—" Mr.
Digby Seymour then rose and made a few brilliant
remarks, which were so enthralling that we were spell-
bound, and could not take a note. The learned counsels
speech was received with breathless attention."
THE BISHOP OF OXFORD.—An address from the
rural dean and clergy of the deanery of Deddington, Oxon,
adopted by forty-one out of the forty-two clergy resident
in it, was recently transmitted to the Bishop of Oxford,
and his lordship's reply is as follows:—" Rev. and dear
brethren,—lt is with the deepest pain that I echo back
your affectionate farewell. I thank you with hearty grati-
tude for all the ready and generous help you have rendered
me in the discharge of my duties here, and for all your for-
bearance and kind judgments of me. May the blessing of
Almighty God rest upon you all, in your persons, in your
families, and in your work.—l am ever, in ties of strong
affection, most sincerely, your faithful friend and brother,
a OXON."

Tilt LAW'S DELAYS AGAIN.—Can nothing be
done to facilitate the business in the Court of Chancery?
A case has come within our personal knowledge where a
friendly administration suit, commenced three years ago
is not yet concluded. There was only one doubtful point
of law, which was determined by the Vice Chancellor
in six months. The estate was in securities readily
convertible into money, and there were no debts to be
collected. An accountant would have settled the
whole matter in two months. But for three years
the parties entitled under the will have been kept
out of interest as well as principal, and if they had been
poor must have starved while the estate was being slowly
wound-up. Delay means costs, and so, besides the being
kept out of their money, they find a large share of it
swallowed up in costs. Why should not the Court of
Chancery appcint official trustees to wind-up estates of
testators and LAC :Wes, precisely as official liquidators
wind-up joint-stock co.:9uanies. We know of no greater
improvement in the pract;C, of the law than this would
be.—Law Times.

AN ODD Tlt C IC.—A German paper'' tells an odd
lane. story of a trick played the other day on a la""v"r an an
agricultural district of Silesia. This gentleman, a err
Schrei, had a quarrel with a neighbour, which led to a
long correspondence, and in one of his letters he greatly
provoked his antagonist by speaking ironically of the
" Attic salt" with which lie flavoured his epistolary style.
A few days after there appeared in the local paper the
following advcrt:sement ;—" Attic salt and other salts for
cattle may always be obtained at my farm.—Schrei."
This advertisement immediately attracted the attention
of a zealous official who was employed in the district to
administer the salt monopoly of the Government, and
he directed one of his subordinates to go at once to Herr
Schrei's farm and search the premises for the salt
I question. The subordinate, after going all over the
f,,rm, and looking in every corner for the smuggled com-
modity, reported as follows :—" Having learnt from the
local paper that a foreign salt under the name of 'Attie
salt' had been imported into the district, I searched the
house and farm of the farmer Schrei, who had been sus-
pected of the fraud; but no trace of Attic salt was to be
found about them."

SPIRT OF. TUE PUBLIC JOURNALS,

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The Times is gratified at the unqualified success attena-
ing the Royal visit to the City. Her Majesty was able,
not only to perform the indispensable part assigned her in
the ceremony—that of formally opening in person the new
Bridge and Viaduct—but also to drive eight miles through
the principal portions of London, in full view of hundreds
of thousands of her people who had crowded the streets
and houses in the hope of seeing her. She seemed, as far
as one may judge from her appearance and manner, in ex-
cellent health and spirits, and showed amply that she had
lost nothing of that winning yet dignified urbanity which
so often charmed her pe3ple in her happier days, and
which is by no means the least important or valuable of
queenly qualities. Her reception was most cordial and
enthusiastic. The people showed themselves as anxious to
welcome her as ever, and their behaviour was admirable.
The silly prediction of a Fenian outrage did not find an
echo even in a street row, such as might happen, despite all
precautions, whenever so large a multitude is brought
together. • Her Majesty's good-natured endurance in choos-
ing an open carriage for a long drive on a bitterly cold day,
in order that she might not disappoint any of the thou-
sands assembled to have a " good look" at her, was the sub-
ject of general admiration and frequent remark. It may
be unphilosophical for the sovereign people to be delighted
by the sight of a quietly-dressed lady in a carriage, but
still, as a matter of fact, they were delighted, and
went home much better disposed towards the
governing power in the State, and less inclined to quarrel
with it, simply because they have seen its royal repre-
sentative. We can only hope that her Majesty, having
found this last experiment of an appearance among her
people as successful and as easy as it ever was, may be
induced to repeat it. After all, it only necessitated her
absence from Windsor for something under three hours.
A. famous beauty once pleaded as an excuse for encourag-
ing so many admirers that while it seemed to give them
great pleasure, it did her no harm. Her Majesty has a
still better reason for encouraging the simple-hearted
loyalty of her subjects when the encouragement takes a
form so harmless, for, whatever effort it may at first cost
her to nerve herself for the trying ordeal of a public
appearance, when the effort has been made, and been
crowned, as it is always sure to be, with enthusiastic
success, the pleasure she has given her people, great as it
undoubtedly is, will be, we are sure, not greater than
her own.

The Post observes that the purpose of Saturday's royal
visit to the City was one which, while not neeessarily
calling for a State ceremony, was on that very account all
the more fitted to manifest the affectionate interest which
her Majesty has always taken in whatever affects the
material welfare of her subjects. A bridge and a
viaduct might have been opened in the most prosaic
and commonplace manner, without its being made the
opportunity for the least remark ; and tho presence
of the Queen must be accepted as a proof of her
desire to associate the name of Victoria rather with the
great works that bring increased material comfort to the
people, than with any mere empty display. In this we
may perhaps trace the influence of the memory of the
Prince Consort ; at all events, there is not an effort of our
progress during the last thirty years but can be read in
the record of State ceremonials, and assuredly there has
been none of late years in this metropolis which can vie
with those which have now been opcned by her Majesty
with gracious consideration and befitting splendour.

The Standard declares that never in modern times has
the Church made such a confession of weakness or ex-
hibited such a display of impotence as in this case of the
nomination of Dr. Temple. If the clergy arid laity wore
polled to-morrow, it would be found that there was not
one man in a thousand who did not condemn the appoint-
ment, It is not a question of party feeling. High Church
and Low Church are equally revolted at the scandal of
nominating the most distinguished of the Essayists
to a bishopric. Yet with all this they cannot unite
in resisting it. They hate each other so much
that they cannot join hands in combating a
common enemy. Both are horrified at the idea of making
Dr. Temple a bishop, but there is something more horrible
still, and that is that they should be found acting toge-
ther in striving to avert the scandal. The Dean of Ripon
thinks Dr. Puscy worse than a couple of Dr. Temples, and
the severe orthodoxy of petrified churchmanship shrinks
from allying itself with Daniel Wilson of Islington. The
usual nobodies interfere and make the opposition con-
temptible, and the result is the signal collapse which the
organ of Dr. Colenso contemplates with such intense
gratification. Having taken a strong and decided line
in regard to this appointment, and being well assured that
in doing so we were reflecting the opinions of the great
bulk of Churchmen, we must profess ourselves entirely
disappointed with the spirit in which the movement has
been taken up, and not a little disgusted at the coldness
and narrow-mindedness which have mainly contributed to
render it abortive. Within the last few weeks we have
Aritv....sea 0. spectacle of disunion which bodes ill for the
Church and is full of the happiest augury for her enemies.
The moral of it is that if Churchmen hate infidelity, they
hate each other a good deal more,

The Daily News remarks that Vice-Chancellor Mathis
has decided that the expenses of the Overend and Gurney
prosecution shall not, as Dr. Thom had prayed, be paid
out of the estate in liquidation. Few persons, we suspect,
will doubt the propriety of the decision. It would have
been too bad if the unfortunate shareholders had been
saddled with the costs of proceedings which were taken
without their consent, and, as many of them think, con-
trary to their interests. Mr. Lewis, jun., who appeared
for Dr. Thom, remarked on this point that "this
(i.e., the property of the prosecution) was not
a question for the shareholders, but ono in the interests
of justice," and it is impossible not to agree with him.
But the interests of justice are the interests of the entire
community, and if they have been invaded it should be
the business of some one authorised to act in the name of
the community, and supported with its power and resources,
to defend them. As a weekly contemporary remarks, "those
who have suffered already by a crime aro the last persons who
should be victimised to punish it; but our whole criminal law
generally throws the duty of prosecuting on such suf-
" ferers, and the imperfect prosecution of crime is the con-
sequence." We may add, though without the faintest
reference to this case, that so long as we leave the suffering
parties to put the criminal law in operation, we shall
certainly hear from time to time of prosecutors using the
weapons of the criminal law to promote their own interest,
and dropping them when that has been served ; and not
only so, but we shall have deprived ourselves to a great
extent of the right to complain of them.
Lord Stanley, says the Telegraph, is now retiring from
the House of Commons, because as Earl of Derby he must
take his place amongst the Peers. He has addressed a few
words of gratitude and goodwill to the electors of King's
Lynn whom he has represented in Parliament for well nigh
twenty-one years. Now, these few lines of Lord Stanley
have the ring of truth about them; you feel that it really
grieves him to part with his friends at King's Lynn.
He looks back more to the past than he looks
forward to the future. He signs his letter of
farewell, " Manley;" he does not grasp hastily at
his new honours. It would be difficult to do a
thing in better taste. It is intelligible enough that
the Earl of Derby should look back with regret to Lord
Stanley's career. The pulse of the nation beats in the
House of Commons. He who rules the House of Com-
mons rules the country. He could not be the first man in
that assembly did he not in his own proper person repre-
sent the opinions and feelings, the aspirations, and, to a
certain extent, the prejudices of his time. Depend upon
it, any member who has gained what is called, in Parlia-
mentary language: "the ear of the House," is no common
man. Now, such a position Lord Stanley had gained,
and such is the position which he is giving up when he
takes his seat in the House of Peers. If a per-
son has within him consciousness of great power—
if his consciousness has been justified by expe-
rience, so that in middle life he finds himself one
of the foremost men in the House of Commons—he can
scarcely look upon a change to the Upper House as a gain.
Lord Stanley—we scarcely like parting with his old name—
has simply resigned the chance of the leading-staffs, and
must make the best he can out of his new position. Which
place would any man take for choice—that of Lord Stanley
or that of the Earl of Derby? The Earl of Derby, if we
mistake not, is not very clear about it. At the same time
he is no party man, andin the serenity of the Upper House
he will now be free from the party trammels with which
he has hitherto been fettered. Even in the House
of Peers, therefore, a high vocation lies before Lord
Derby.

The Herald observes that the first thing the Liberals
promised to do on coming into office was to pacify, t•
satisfy Ireland, and that was to be the work of a very few
months. Well, the Church has been overthrown. Has its
overthrow satisfied or pacified Ireland? Are the Fenians
starved out because the sources from which they drew
their strength have dried up? Are the people a whit more
disposed to observe the law ? Is the language of the agita-
tors who do not call themselves Fenians a jot more mode-
rate or less seditious ? Nothing of the kind. As the
demands of the tenants have grown so have those of the
-,tests, and the practical result of Mr. Gladstone's
Irish
,oliey has been
O the discouragement of all loyal
•
ueen by the dissemination of a conviction
subjects or ‘-4, England abandons them, with a cones-
amongst them tit,. eonfi fence and strength of those
ponding increase in the so/ [nation from England,
who want total and inimedia,,, •-• desire a continuance
7iuch
and of those who, whilst professing and a fearful
of the connection, really aim at separation, . for
the sdiminutionent
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mayt fobr
elife
da
ait,r o
c n
e rtiadS Bill of
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Government will act with a magical effect, and assuage all
these troubled waters. That is absolutely impossible.
On the contrary, there is no Land Bill the Government
can introduce which will not add to the agitation
and irritation now prevoiling in Ireland. We aro told
that the Government has already agreed upon the outlines
of a bill. Well, the speeches of Lords Hartington and
Clarendon are guarantees, if the speakers are honest men,
that the bill shall not be a bill of confiscation; and nothing
but a bill of confiscation will satisfy the expectations
excited by the reckless, the incendiary language in which
Mr. Gladstone and some of his leading colleagues indulged
last autumn. Ireland is not pacified, much less satisfied,
and she is not likely to be so until we have a total change
of policy and of men. .