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Newspapers Conveyance, etc. Bill be read for the purpose
of being cancelled.
The order for the second reading of the bill was then dis-
charged.
THE COLLECTION, &c., IN IRELAND FOR TIIPA
POPE.

Mr. A. STEUART asked the Chief Secretary for Ire-
land whether Government had turned their attention to col-
lections of money being made, there chiefly, as w ell as in
other parts of the empire, for the use of the sovere'Ag,n of the
Papal States ; whether they believed such might 'be used, or
means adopted otherwise, for enlisting subject& of her Ma-
jesty for the army of that foreign Power ; wail whether, if
such be illegal or irregular, Government would take mea-
sures to check any agents in the matter, or 'to warn those
who may enter into such engagements.
Mr. CARD WELL said that accord ing to the Foreign
Enlistment Act such enlistment was illegal. The atten-
tion of the Irish Government had been diyeeted to tho sub-
ject, and they were determined to enforce the law in regard
to persons engaged on enlisting for the I papal service.
CUSTOMS' ACT.
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THE NEW BRON:zE PENNY.

Mr. BLACK asked the Claancellor of the Exchequer
when the new bronze penr.y Would be ready for issue; and,
if the distribution was to be made in England and Ireland
by the national banks of, these kingdoms, by what machi-
nery the distribution -would be made in Scotland.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that
all the arrangements were made for striking the penny coin,
which would shortly be issued. The delay that had taken
place arose from what might be called the fine arts depart-
ment, but this difficulty was now being surmounted, At
first copper coin would be issued only from the
Mint, but when the demand occurred for a more
extensive issue the Government would then have
recourse to the services of contractors. Arrangements
would also be made with the Bank of England, and the
Banks of Ireland and Scotland, by which they would be
rendered centres of distribution for the new coin. With
reference to the collection of the old coin, it would not be
deemed advisable to have any special machinery, because
it was considered there was sufficient inducement held forth
to persons to bring in the old coin to the Mint.
THE REFRESHMENT HOUSES AND WINE
LICENCES BILL—IRREGULARITY OF PRO-
' CEEDING.
Lord PALMERSTON said that in redemption of a
pledge he had given on Friday night, be wished to call
attention to an irregularity en Thursday, when the house
went into committee of ways and means, and agreed to
resolutions on which to found the bill. These resolutions
were reported the same evening contrary to the usage of
the house. On that occasion, as his right honourable
friend (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) thought there
was no difference of opinion, he appealed to the house to
allow the resolutions to be reported at once, and it was
done, but upon consideration it struck every'ono that that
proceeding was a departure from the usage of the house.
It was the practice that resolutions for grants of
money in supply should not be reported the same day
they were agreed to, but on some subsequent day.
There was only one instance, namely, in 1797, during the
mutiny at the Nore, that the usage was departed from. The
forms of the house were sometimes accompanied by delay,
but they were all founded on reason and good sense, and
their tendency was to guard against accidental decisions,
arrived at under the influence of feeling or by accident.
In other countries, where these forms did not prevail,
great interests were often affected by sudden resolutions.
The object of all their forms was to guard the house
against precipitancy of decision. It was important, there-
fore, to preserve the character of the house, and there were
two ways in which this irregularity could be corrected—
the one was, that what was done should not stand as a pre-
cedent, and the other was that the practice should not be
departed from in future ; but the latter course might be at-
tended with some inconvenience, as circumstances might
arise which would render such an act indispensable. There
was no doubt but that what had been done was a valid act,
but for the reasons he had mentioned he thought the best
course was to move that what had been done should be
deemed null and void, and that the resolutions agreed to in
committee of ways and means should be reported to-mor-
row. The noble viscount then moved a resolution to the
' effect, "That notice be taken that the resolutions had been
reported the same evening they were agreed to without
urgent necessity, and that as such report was contrary to
usage it be deemed null and void, and that the resolutions
be reported to-morrow."
Sir H. WILLOUGHBY said it appeared to him there
was a double irregularity in going into committee, for
clauses 1 and 2 of the sill were agreed to, and which being
founded on an invalid resolution the clauses also were in-
valid. How would they retrace their second false step ?
lite considered this a most important question in a consti-
tutional point of view, as it was intended to give time to
reflect before imposing a public tax._
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said there
could be no doubt but that there had been a double irregu-
larity. The resolutions would be as if not reported, and
therefore these clauses must be brought up again. He
moved the committee of ways and means without the
slightest idea that the resolutions- would be reported, but
coming out of committee the chairman asked whether he
would have the committee forthwith. He inquired whe-
ther that could be so, and was answered in the affirmative.
Believing that some alteration had been made in the forms
of the house he assented to that assurance, and acted ac-
cordingly.
After a few observations from Mr. WALPOLE the mo-
tion was agreed to.
BANKRUPTCY AND INSOLVENCY BILL.
Mr. BOUVERIE inquired when this important mea-
sure was to be proceeded with.
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said that was a very
cruel question—(a laugh)—as he saw no probability of
being able to fix any day. He had appealed to the head of
the Government for that day week to go into committee
and make some progress, but at present there appeared no
her e of furthering the bill on that day.
REFRESHMENT HOUSES AND WINE
LICENSES BILL.
The house went into committee on this bill.
Clauses 12, 13, 14, and 15 were agreed to.
On clause 16,
Mr. Alderman SALOMONS moved, page 8, line 1, after
"Act," insert ."and that shall be kept open after nine of
the clock in the evening." He expjained that the object of
his amendment would be to exempt refreshnient houses
from the visitation of the police unless in cases where they
were kept open after nine o'clock. He contended that
houses which closed before the latter hour should not be
treated in the same way as night houses, from which they
were totally different.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he
saw no reason why the class of house/Sin question should be
exempted from the same visitation to which public houses
were exposed under the existing laW.
Mr. E. JAMES said that the practical effect of the
clause would be to invest the police with a very arbitrary
power in respect to those refreshment houses. It was a
fact that the police levied black mail at the west end,
and on the unfortunate females who frequented them.
Mr. HARDY considered that this bill would ultimately
have to be revised.
After some conversation the amendment was withdrawn,
and the clause was agreed to.
On clause 17,
Mr. AYRTON suggested that, according to the bill,
there was nothing to define what was the constituent of
foreign wine, in order to enable the dealer to discriminate
between it and any home compound.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that
it was impossible to give any such definition as the hon.
member (Mr. Ayrton) seemed to desire, With re-
gard to discriminating between what was foreign
wine and what was not, it was a mere matter
to be determined by taste or chemical skill. What was pro-
posed by this particular clause was to prohibit persons sell-
ing wino without a license.
The clause was agreed to.
The remaining clauses to 20 were agreed to.
After some discussion, clauses 21, 22, and 23 were also
agreed to.
On clause 24,

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER proposed
an amendment, the object of which was to assimilate the
hours of opening and closing wine houses to those which
now regulate the opening and closing of beer houses.
Mr. SPOONE Et asked if the right hon. gentleman in-
tended by this clause to authorise the opening of refresh-
ment houses on Sundays, which were not allowed to remain
open at present. He thought the clause a most objection-
able one, and trusted that the right hon. gentleman would
seriously consider the effect it was likely to produce.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said there
was no intention to alter the present law, or to authorise
any house to open on Sunday which was not Authorised to
be opened at present. The clause as it now stood would
impose all the restraints upon wine houses which were now
applicable to licensed victuallers.

Mr. SPOONER wished to know N';'histther these parties were
fable to penalties, for following their calling on Sundays.
:Hear.) What exempted these pastry- 000 ks and others

from prosecutions ? He thought they were now liable for
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Following their calling on Sundays. But if the committee

agreed to the clause, they would give a legal right to all

parties to do that which they could not do at present.
Sir G. GREY said that practically the act of Charles 11.
was inoperative. The fact was a number of refreshment

houses and others were open on Sundays, but the parties

wore not prosecuted for following their calling. There was

no doubt a law in existence, but it was not, or only very
partially enforced. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. S. ESTCOURT hoped the right hon. gentleman the
Chancellor of the 'Exchequer would consent to alter the

clause in such a minat as that the committee might have

,he satisfaction of knowing that while they had acted-in

accordance with the right hon. gentleman's recommenda-
tion in opening new places where persons might obtain re -