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talked to me about it several
to me about it j-e:st before I w
I don't know what she said.
in waiting yesterday with my
times she talked to me abm
sister Polly has told me what
yesterday. I call my sister IV_
paper was read to us last night by papa. -He dig
not read the whole of it. I don't know what
newspaper it was that papa read to us. lam sure
my mamma did not tell me what to say in court—
not that I recollect. I saw Mr. Gay, tie surgeon,
yesterday, and he has been walking- about with me
,and my mother.
Itl-examined—l don't think I have been told
anybody what I was to say when I came here.
L. ave been waiting about the court to be ext..:mined.
I L.
'hen I was called I came in.
and N.
,ron Channell—When Mr. Hatch was in
T saw Mrs Hatch in her own room.
mv
'Baron Ch.
-tnnell-11'nen she could see all that
took place ? " -
Witness—Yes:
sation in the court. 5
Baron Channell—lON't far was Mrs. Hatch from
you at the time ?
Witness—Not very far.
Baron Channell—As far as yo,.' are from me ?
(about 10 feet).
Wittless—Not so far.
lie on ?
Baron Channell—What part of the be did ,You

alljf/

;This answer created great seu--

Witness—l think it was upon the blanket anad
under the counterpane.
Baron Channell—Where was Eugenia ?
Witness—l think she \z' is on the blanket act
under the counterpane too.
wasC Caroline i
nestne
witness. Plummer, the
Shern ostal;itedr_o
remembert he de fendan
tak-
ing my daughter Eugenia te:-Mt:. Hatch's on the
11th of August. I had dinner, or ,rather I should
say luncheon, with them. I did not sk Mr. Hatch
or any one else in the house to allow m.)-daughter
to go to his bed in the morning, but I did ..`aY
she had been used to be petted, and I wisher them
to be kind to her. Mr. Hatch then said she sh0:11(1
be treated as well as his own child, and she was i.3,1`
the habit of coming into his bed in the morning.,
and Eugenia should do the same. I never made'
the suggestion that she should go to his bed. A
fortnight after-4hia--1--took my other daughter,
Stephanie, to Mr. Hatch's, anti during the whole
day I had no opportunity of speaking, to my
daughter Eugenia alone ; either Mr. or Mrs. Hatch
was with us the whole time. When it was getting
near the time for our departure I took the child to
the closet, which was the only place I could get to
be
Mr.t
Hai tbhal
Hatch's,
alone.chhe,rbutl ca
She burst out crying immedi-
ately and asked me to take her home, and she ap-
peared very unhappy. I returned the next day to
nntotetnellsawidh—atl mama denemravoduos
so. The witness, who appeared to be of a very
temperament,' then
you know. I fancied something was wrong,
and I went back. I did not rush into the
schoolroom, but went in quickly, and I said,
" Holioa! Lucy running about the passage and
my children in the schoolroom—l thought there
were to be no favourites here." I saw Mr.
and Mrs. Hatch shortly afterwards, and told
them I was come to take my children away. While
the things were being packed up I went away with
my daughter to the closet, and she told me Mr.
Hatch was " such a disgusting man." I asked
what she meant, and she made a communication to
me. She did not state to the full extent what had
,occurred, and I said " Nonsense," and nothing more
occurred. I spoke to my husband, and he enter-
tained the same opinion that I did. There was no
time for anything more to be said, as we had to
leave by the eight o'clock train. I am sure that
Stephanie did not say anything to me in the
house. I gave the child Lucy a Noah's ark and Os.
before we left. We hardly got out of sight of the
house, in the cab, when Eugenia told us what Mr.
Hatch had done to her. We (Aid. not arrive at our
residence in Wiltshire until the middle of the night,
and an the following morning we sent for our medi-
cal man, and Mr. Pratt, our solicitor, came on the
same day, and after this we communicated with the
Bishop. Our object in this was to spare our chil-
dren the pain of a public exposure. We subse-
quently received notice to attend at Wandsworth
before the magistrates, but on the day before we
were informed Mr. Hatch had resigned, and that
our attendance was not necessary, and we then ob-
tained a warrant for Mr. Hatch's apprehension, but
it could not be executed, because he went away. I
afterwards received from Mr. Hatch the letter that
has been referred to.

Cross-examined—Both on tho 25th and the 26th

I had no opportunity of being alone with Eugenia,
except in the water-closet. [This witness spoke
this in a loud voice, and she at the same time said,
" I like to answer firm,"] (A :laugh.) I swear I
was not in a bedroom with Eugenia and my hus-
band alone on either of those days. The " other
party" were always present.
Mr. James--Who do you mean by the " other
party."
Witness—Mr. and Mrs. llateft. Stephanie never
told me in the bedroom that Mr. Hatch had behaved
indecently to her. If any one has said this, it is a
deliberate falsehood. lam sum she did not tell me
so herself. I swear that I did mot walk round the
kitchen garden with my husband and my two
daughters on either of those two‘ days, and that I
told my husband what Stephanie had told me. She
had not told me at that time. II may have stated
at the former trial that Stephanie told me that Mr.
Hatch was dressed, and that Ite unbuttoned his
trousers, but if I did say so it is a mistake of mine.
She never did say so. I remember the child told
me that she noticed Mr. Hatch had a very shabby
night-shirt on, or that it was pieced or mended. I
don't know whether I have mentioned this before,
but I was surprised that the chiLd should make such
an observation. I don't know whether my: husband.
stopped the cab and brought me some beer. If he
did it was not a criminal thiag. I have not had.
any brandy and water to-day. I did have some
yesterday, if I required it. To-day I have had.
sherry wine. I cannot remember whether I had
any brandy and water yesterday, but I had the day
before I should like to have some brandy acid
water or sherry now. (A laugh.) I did not drink
beer with the policemen after the conviction of Mr.
Hatch. A bottle of stout was sent for, and I drank

part of it, and the remainder was left for the police-
men.

Mr. James—How many schools basyour daughter
been at ?

Witness—As many as I thought proper to send
her to—eight or ten, perhaps. She was only a
fortnight at one. It was quite long enough. It is
very probable that I threatened to publish a state-
ment that the proprietress of that school had not
kept her agreement with me.
Mr. James—Did she go to school at Southamp-
ton ?

Witness—l dare say you know all about it. (A
laugh.)
Mr. James—Why did you take her away from
Southampton ?
Witness—Because she was not treated properly.
I am a very particular woman, although I do take
a little brandy and water and sherry wine, and I
should be very glad to give you some if you re-
quired it. (A laugh.)
Cross-examination continued—My daughter was
at three different schools at Bath. There was a
reason for her removal from each, and, besides,
a change does her good. (Laughter.) She told
me from the first that she did not like " the
Hatches," and she was very anxious to get away.
I swear I did not hear outside that the gardener
had been examined this morning. Mr. Plummer
read a portion of the report in the newspapers last
night. I cannot recollect whether Eugenia told her
sister what had taken place during the day in court.
I did not object to my child going to Mr. Hatch's
bedroom, because I was anxious that there should
not be any jealousy between the two children. MY
youngest child cannot read. Ido not wish to hurry
her education, on account of her health being deli—
cate. Ido not go regularly to church or any other
place of worship, but Mr. Plum-lier takes the child-
ren to church occasionally. I did not take my
children to church during the year 1809, but I am
as good as those who do go. I have had a bad foot,
and my spirits have been failing since I lost one of
ml) children.
'Mr. James—l ask you, without reference to any
bodily ailment, was it your habit as a mother to
take your chlidren to chapel or church ?
Witness—No, it was not.

Cross-examination continued--I did not cause the
areit bell of our house to be rung upon my return
home to celebrate the convictions of Mr. Hatch.
Re-examined—l should say that both the children
had told their stories before we arrived at Padding-
ton, but I am certain they had done so before we
arrived at home. My daughter was never removed
from any school on account of misconduct. She was
beloved by all. My children have been taught to
say their prayers—the Lord's Prayer (not the Be-
lief ), the prayer for their parents, and little hymns.
My husband used to take the children to church,
but he did not go every Sunday, because sometimes
he was prevented by the weather or some other

cause.
At the conclusion of the examination of this wit-
ness the trial was again adjourned.

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