The Sun.
London, England, 1856-05-20 00:00:00

THE StiikC L DON 4 TUESDAY EVENING. MAY 1856.

we all regret, and which occurred at the commencement
of the late war, by maintaining a larger army, and sup-
porting in every department of our military system more
extensive establishments, we shall probably find, when a
crisis arrives and a struggle is again to be entered upon,
a repetition of the same mischances and disappointments
which prevailed before, with the consciousness that in the
interval we had expended those resources which, having
been accumulated by the wise system of economy that has
generally prevailed of late years, have enabled us to meet
our difficulties with so much comparative ease, and have
also enabled ' the Minister of Finance this evening to
make a report of our financial position which must
be most satisfactory to the country. We all Lope and
expect that we may profit by what has passed, and
that we may learn what are the weak points of oar
system, and take care to be better prepared in those
pardeulars when a future danger may arise. But we ought
to take this opportunity of impreseing upon the country
that there is a great difference between au effective and an
expensive army— (bear)—that we may have a military
system which is perfect, and which at the same time is
founded on a wise economy ; that the military establish.

very simple treaties meanings which any man who takes
the trouble of reading them for once in his whole life will
perceive at a glance are utterly inapplicable to them.
(Laughter.) The right hon. gentleman hag chosen to go
back to the year 1348, making assertions with respect to

ment which we sanction sliOuld be a model rather than a

force, adequate to any great occasion which may hereafter
arise. These are the true principles, and if we can vindi-
cate them we shall have profited by our late experience,

and we shall be following a course :Which will maintain the
strength and honour of this country without endangering
those elements of real power which are derived from the
labour and industry of the people. In looking over the
proposed reductions of the original estimates prepared by
the Government I saw with seine distrust the large reduc-
tion proposed in the original estimate for the militia. That
certainly is a branch of our defences which I hope this
house will never permit to fall trsi.' into a state of ineffi-
ciency. Tee constitution of that netio ial force should be
maintained largely and liberally. I limit myself to the
constitution, because I cannot suppose that we should
keep on foot a large force of embodied militia at at pre-
sence bat if the constitution of that fo .ce is largely and
liberally ineintained, we may appeal to it, when occasion
requires, as is shires or strength which will place this
may in that position which it is entitled to occupy in
any great European question which m ty arise. The com-
et. ea ,tight to impress upon the Government that it ex-
pects they will take intvautage of the recess which is ap-
pro.ching to effect great reductions in the expenditure of
the cutlet, y, not with the intention of obtaining a tempo-
rary popularity, for I know wall that reductions effected
in that spirit are generally pereicious, but effected on a
distinct principle—on a principle consistent with the
maiutenence of the power of this country, and of the posi-
tion which it ought to occupy in the politics of the
world. There is another point on which I desire to
touch for a moment, and it arises out of the conven-
tion with Sardiui t to which the right honourable gentle-
man p trticul trly referred. I collected from him that the
impression of the Government—l may say their convic-
tion—was that, according to the letter of that treaty, we
were not bound to furnish a second million to Sardinia.
Upon a question of so great importance, involving not only
the interpretation of a treaty, but also considerations of
higlapoLcy, I would not procaine to give a hasty opinion,
nor do I think that the Government would expect the com-
mittee at once to give an opinion which may commit it
upon Ihe subject ; but I am quite sure that I do not mis-
repr enint the feelings of the House of -C meinons when I
a ,y the , to all treaties it is always prepared to give a large
and lateral construction. (Hear.) But when we are asked
to exercise tow trds Serdinie, under these circumstances, a
liberality which, from whet I can gather, the G tvernment
is not prepared to reco:nrnend that we sheuld exercise to-
wards our own troops; when, acting in the spirit and not
in the letter of the treaty, we are asked to advance to Sar-
dinia a considerable sum of enoney, we have a right to ask,
in our tin e, that the Government should put fairly, dem-
ie. and frattely before us some view of the relations which
subsist between this country and the King of Sardinia.
I confess myself thee nothing that I recollect ever appeared
to me so perplexing and so perilous as the position which
this country has assumed. and the relations which it is now
forming in regard to that vary kingdom. If I look to the
• protocols of the conferences of Paris which hive been laid
on toe table, I fi id expressioa.s of sympathy with suffering
Italy which really exeeed the usual caution of diplomatic
language. The Sovereign of Sardinia is encouraged appa-
rently in every way by the English Government to fulfil
the high mission to which his subjects believe him to be
called. He is preparing, and he is encouraged to effect,
what ho deems to be the liberation of Italy. We have
autheritative evidence of the feelings of the Sardinian Go-
vernment and of the policy of the Sardinian Ministers in
the very imp Srtantdoe mneuts which have been promulgated,
and certainly if we were tojudge from the protocels of Paris
and from the documents of the Sertliuian Ministers we
should come to the conclusion that there was a perfect
1111 ieretanding between the English Ministry and the Sar-
dinian Government, and that, in fact, not only was the
liberation of Italy an adopted policy, but that the means
of effecting it had been agreed upon, and that England
was to occupy a great position in the undertaking. But
how are we to reconcile such language and such diplomatic
documents with the publication of that tripartite treaty,
if not secretly at least unexpectedly concluded, which ap-
parently not only fashieus but consolidates a policy op-
posed and adverse to that which Sardinia has adopted,
which she is encouraged to prosecute, and which, accord-
ing to the documents of her eminent Ministers, she is at
this m >moat actively prosecuting? (Hear.) The language
of the Serdieian Ministers is that the presence anti the
rule of Austria in Italy are insufferable—l give no opinion
of my own upon these points on the present occasion ; that
the occupation'of Italian provinces by Austria is the prin-
cipal and the prime source of the degradation, the mis-
government, and the misery of Italy ; that these are evils
which it is the miesiou and policy of S trilinia to termi-
nate; and that Sardinia looks, and has reason to look, for
the co-operation of England in her efforts to this end. If
this be the case, how can we explain that subterranean
policy which at the same time signs the protocols of the
congress of Paris, 01..ps the King of Sardinia on the back,
ant signs a treaty which, we now understand, appeared
unexpectedly, and which, if it has any point at all, has
this point —that the government of Europe is to be carried
on for the future by France, Austria, and England, and
that the security for the tranquillity of the world depends
upon this tripartite alliance? (Hear.) I am not saying
one word against that tripartite alliance—l am not saying
that the alliance of Franco, Austria, and England may not
be a wise policy. I know that it has been sanctioned and
adopted, on some of the greatest occasions of history, by
men second to no living statesmen. I know well that Lord
Castlereagh, Prince Metternich, and M. de Talleyrand, de-
vised and, I believe, accomplished such an alliance at a mo-
ment of great difficulty at the Congress of Vienna. I am
not now saying anything against that policy, but at a
future time it must form a subject of discussion. The
present state of affairs and the foreign policy which
this country is now pursuing are not only legitimate
subjects of discussion, but our constituents would justly
blame us if we went back to them without having fully
and completely discussed them. I do not wish to enter
into these questions to-night, but when I am asked to
sanction a treaty which demands from the people a large
portion of their treasure to be contributed to a foreign
Power I have a right to ask for some explanation of the
mysterious circumstances which apparently at this moment
affect our relations with that Power. I give no opinion
as to the foreign policy which it .may be wise for this
country to pursue. An alliance with France and Austria
may be wise and politic, but it is neither wise nor politio
to enter into an alliance of that kind which, if it means
anything, means a guarantee of the consolidation and the
perpetuity of the Austrian empire,' and of course of her
Italian dowinions—no mean portion of her empire—and,
at the same time, to enter into relations with the King of
Sardinia which stimulate him to a policy utterly opposed
to the Austrian and Imperial policy, utterly opposed to
the retention of those Italian provinces by Austria, and
utterly inconsistent with the policy which has produced
the tripartite treaty. For the interest of the country and
for the sake of our national reputation it is in the highest
degree desirable that there should be a satisfactory expla-
nation of the strange inconsistency between the protocols
of Paris and the tripartite treaty. How is it conceivable
that England should at one and the same time engage to
rescue Italy from the grasp of Austrian dominion, and
conclude a treaty which in effect guarantees the integrity
of the Austrian empire and declares that the destinies of
Europe shall henceforward be governed by England,
France, and Austria? (Hear.) I want to prevent a re-
petition on the part of the British Government of the
scenes that were enacted in 1813. I have never met with
any gentleman of any nation who, wh ttever his political
opinions might be--whether he was a Conservative or a
Liberal in England, or an aristocrat or detnocr it in some
other country—whether he was a devoted advocate of
monarchical despotism or a frantic follower of Red Repub-
licanism—did not hold the opinion that our conduct in
1848 was not only most disgraceful to ourselves but most
injurious to Italy. (Hear.) If for the sake of exciting
the nerefiecting applause of a mob, and in order to obtain
for the existing Government the reputation of being de-
voted to those vague entities called "liberal opinions "
(cheers) —we are again to be in the position of stimulating
Italian liberalism, while at the same time we rivet the
fetters. of Austrian despotism, I foresee for this nation
consequences moat fatal to her just and legitimate influ-
ence, and to that high character which, notwithstanding
the mistakes we sometimes commit, and despite our party
conflicts, it is our heppinees-to think that oar country has
hitherto maintained, then, will, no doubt, be ample op-
pni tit oity to discuss thi+ question in all its bearings when
the Chancellor of the Esc °quer shall hereafter ask us for a
erote—(hear)--but it appeared to me impossible that the
observations of the right hon. gentleman ou the subject of
Sardinia should in the meantime be allowed to pass wholly
without notice. I do sincerely hope that.proftting by the
bitter experience of 1818 and by the recollection of Lord
Minto's mission and of tease scenes of popular tumult
which, excited by English influence, were deserted by
English power—a desertion remembered to this day on the
continent with anguish and indignation, notwithstanding
the intervening warin which the troops of Sardinia took
so gallant a part--I say ',lir, thet I do devoutly hope that,
bearing all these things en allude the House of Commons
will refuse to be made the cat's-paw of nny Government
for the sanctioning of that pseudo-liberalism which, while
it affects sympathy with oppressed lands, strengthens the
hands of their oppressors. Should the house unhappily
neglect this lesson, they will pursue a policy better calcu-
lated than any that I can imagine to impair their own
authority and to bring dishonour on the reputation of
England. (Hoer.) I trust, therefore' that w'e shall be
most scrupulous in exacting from the Government a pre-
cise, frank, and definite account of the relations between
:this country and Sardinia, that wo may understand whether
we have played our cards so badly at the late game of
diplomacy that we are at tee same time pledged to sup-
port Aestrian authority and Sardinian regeneration. This
is a question which is recurring to many minds in this
country. It has touched the heart of England, and be as-
sured it is watched with-auxions attention throughout Eu-
rope. I feel a deep interest in the future of Italy, and sure
I am that there is no honest man in this empire who dods
not look forward with delight, to the day when that im-
memorial land to which we all owe so much shall take her
proper place among the nations, and be again one of the
leading communities of the world. (Cheers.) But I, for
one, base my hope of that conearnmetion on my faith in
the genius of the people and the resources of the country.
Time, the great reformer, will save Italy, but if there can
be anything that will throw her back in her carear—sny-
thing that will baffle her advancing destinies—it will lee
the iratrieuee of politicians who are not Italians, and who,
for the sake of getting an impulse and support which other-
wise they might not command, trifle with the fate of a
great people, pander to the lusts of secret societies, pretend
to sympathy they do not feel, and for the love of popular
applause and a inomentarysaccese, compromise the destiny
of a great and gifted cation. (Cheers.)
Lord PALMERSTON—We have heard a great deal of
that eloquence which the right hon. gentleman is capable
of summoning at any moment to his command—eloquence
expressing a world of virtuous indignation, which would
be well deseiving of the attention and commendation of the
house, were it nottbat, unfortunately, it is wanting in one
essential—that of hevieg, the slightest foundation in fact.
(Laughter.) The right hon. gentleman has talked of
" mysteries" where none whatever mist, and attached to

Rome, finding at her own doors—one might almost venture
to say in every parish—some portion of her subjects upon
whom li.tle reliance can be placed. At the same time I ven-
ture resp:xtfully to express the opinion that if Sardinia
carries the same enlightened spirit into her foreign policy
which has governed her domestic policy she will renounce

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the conduct of the Government at that period which I ! and forswear schemes of aggression. She has need of a lofty
hesitate not to say are not only totally unfounded, but self-denial and self-command, but a disinterested part is
wholly devoid of even the semblance of truth, and which
that which in the end will best serve her interest. Her
duty is, as stated by the noble lord at the head of he Go-
vernment, to exhibit a right example to Italy, and in the
As regards our relations with Sardinia, and those allu- moral force of that example and the consequeeces flowing
sions to them in the protocols of Paris which the right from it she is certain to find the reward of all her efforts
hon. gentleman desires to have explained, all I have to say and struggles. (Cheers.) lam sure it is the unanimous
is that there is no mystery in them. They are known to feeling of the people that we should discharge in an un-
everybody, and are manifest on the Lice of the protocols, grudging spirit of liberality, and something more, not only
as well as on that of the treaty we have concluded with our written obligations to Sardinia, but also those more
Sardinia. They are the relations of perfect confidence, of general obligations which are to be found beyond the limits
cordial friendship, and of iutimate alliance—(hear) —but as of the treaty we have c included with her I hope the
to oar having engaged with Sardinia in any secret project Chancellor of the Exchequer will show—l have no doubt
for revolutionising Italy and overthrowing the govern- he will, but I.express the hope in a distinct form, because
money that exist in other parts of that country, there is I did not understand that portion of his speech a r clearly
not the slightest groued for such a supposition, nor the as the est—that whatever advance he may propose to make
shadow of a pietext to justify such a charge. (Hear.) It to Sardinia is to 1,, bona fide for the purpose of liqualeting
is not to be denied that Sardinia has a mission to fulfil, a the pecuniary obligations which are due to her for her
destiny to accomplish—the great mission, the high destiny Crimean operations; and I em sure that, as far as the
of holding out to all the other States of Italy a bright ex- question of money is concerned, nothing will induce the
ample of liberal institutions and a constitutional govern- House of Commons to stay hts hind, provided my right
m tut,—(hear)--and most sincerely do I hope that she will hon. friend conforms to the primiale which I have them
succeed ie that noble enterprise, and that the (lay is not ventured to indicate. (Hear) And now, following the:
distant when all the Italian nations will give proof of their example of the last epeaker. I feel it to be my duty to re-
capacity to govern themselves in a manner to insure the fer to those statements which I heard with sincere setis•
maintenance of order and liberty and to command the ap- faction proceeding from the right hon, gentleman the mem•
proval of Europe. Such as I have described them are our her for Buckinghamshire with respect to the principle
relations with Sardinia, and there is nothing in the proto- upon which our military expenditure is to be cominctem
cola that implies anythingdifferentfrom what I have stated. (Cheers.) To whatever it may be owing, we cannot be
Nothing has passed between Sardinia and .England which blind to the fact that there is avague impression abron.
is not kown to the world, and which does not do honour that the par ittiouy of the Howe of Commons has been the
to both countries. No doubt, when a country like Sardinia cause of the evils and (Huston we have recently incurree
nobly joins an alliance such as that subsisting between There is no man who, after the light which time has thrown
France and England, and gallantly launithe.s into a war to upon these 'netters, will deny that we live incurred evil'
which those allies are committed, there are considerations which might have been avoided ; but I hope there am
hf honour and friendship which make it understood that, many men both in this house and out of it who will de-
if Sardinia should ever be menaced by an unfriendly Power mur to the conclusion that a legitimate connexion can be
she will have a fair claim on England and France to pro- traced between those evils and an undue economy on the
test her from insult and injury ; but it is far from the part of the House of Commons. (Hear.) Let us look to
thoughts of the Sardinian Government, and it never en- the examples that are immediately before ns. If it is coo-
tared into the contemplation of France and England, nomy that has produced those evils, what are we to say
that that honourable aluance, founded on good faith and to the case mentioned by the Chancellor of the Exchequer
for noble objects, should be the means of enabling Sar- —the case of Prussia? Whatever we may think of th
dinia to set forth 'Upon a crusade of aggression against policy of Prussia, or of the errors which she may recentle
any other State. The right honourable gentleman talks have committed, we must regard her as a considerable mi
of the "tripartite treaty" as' of an instrument that litery Power, with a well-orgaeised and disciplined army,
contemplates in its execution that. the three coots act- and yet the Chancellor of the Exchequer tells us that the
ing parties shall govern all Europe and guarantee all the whole of the military expenditure of Prussia, her nava,
possessions of Austria. lam really surprised that he should force being comparatively insignificant, does not amount
hazard assertions of that kind with regard to a document to more than 4,90e,004. a-year. Ido not suppose that au
which any man who reeds it must perceive be suscep- English army can be maintained as economically as a Pram
tiole of no
.such interpretation. The treaty does not imply Bien army ; there are many reasons why it should not be
that the three Powers in question shall take upon them- so ; bat when we hear language hold with respect to th
selves any authority or interference in the general affairs proceedings of various Administrations and of this house
of Europe, nor does it say one word about guaranteeing as if the national purse had been closed and our establish
the territories of the contracting parties. (Hear.) It has meats reduced io the lowest scale, it should be recollectee
only one object, the same that Austria proposed at Vienna that 13.000,000/., 14,000,0001,, 15,030,000/ , and eve)
iu the spring of last year, namely, that there should be an 16,000,0001. a-year have been ungrudgingly voted for thi,
undertaking between England, France, and Austria topro- house for many purposes. (Hear.) But if we want to
vide for the due execution of a common treaty having finite dissipate the delusion that an effective army u-ually means
object the securing of the integrity of the Turkish empire. an expensive army, let us take a much stronger case that
lam utterly at a loss to understand where in that treaty Prussia—the case of Sardinia. The Sardinian army ii
the right hone gentleman finds anything to warrant the ium every point—in equipment, in organisation, in discipline
pression that it is a treaty erecting those three powers into as well as in courage—has won the admiration of all ac-
the arbiters of the destinies of Europe, or binding England quaintel with it ; and yet Sardinia is a small country, bet
and France to any guarantee of the territorial possessions army is numerically much less than the la itish army ha,
of Austria. There is nothing, therefore, inconsistent iu the ever been, and it is maintained at a cost which might wel
provisions of that treaty with the protocols of ha.ris,or with wake the lips of the most rigid economist in this housr
any diplomatic engagements or intercom se wlach may have water, but which one would be almost afraid to meatio
,
taken place between the. British Government and the Go- for fear of frightening the English people into the notio
verument of Sardinia. The right hon, gentleman has, I that we were going to reduce our expenditure to the sane
think, filly justified what passed in the conferences of Paris level. (Hear, hear,' and a leueb.) One word upon a sub
in regent to the unfortunate condition in which many parts jest whichihes been frequently referred to in this debate.
of Italy now are. He 'lid not, perhaps, go to the extent of Gentlemen speaking from various parts of the house, upot
expressing censure ; but, by the anticipations which he ex- the score of the fact that we• have returned from
pressetlof a better destiny for the future, he very signita state of war to a state of peace, seam to be contemplate
ceutly showed what he thought of the present state of that ing a reduction of taxation, and we have even had ie.
country. We may or may not agree with Count Cavour as timations that positive proposals of that kind are to b
to the extent to which the military occupation of states by ma le. Yet I think it is undeniable that, as far re
foreign troops may affect the happiness, welfare, prosperity, expenditure is concerned, the year now before to
or go-al order of those States; but I have no hesitation in is not a year of pe see at all. 1 do not us,
saying that I think those occupations are misfortunes, and those words merely in a general sense, but in a sense vert
that atey should cease as soon as possible. They began specific, because if you compare the expenditure of 1856-7, ae
under very different circumstances, which might or might it has to night been estimated by the Chancellor of the Ex
not havej created them at the time; butthom circumstances chequer, with the expenditure of 1851-5, which was through.
hem) long ceased to exist, and lam reedy to admit that, out a year of war, you will find that the former greatly ex
in my opinion, the time has come when those occupations needs the latter. The expenditure of 1834-5 was sornewheri
ought to be put an end to. But with regard to any eu- about 68,000,000/(' but the statement which the Chancellen
geeement for that Purpose,. there is nothing but, what is of the Exchequer has made to-night shows that the expeuds.
punlic, to all the world on the face of those protocols. These ture of 1855-6 is not 65,000,00e/M but is to amount to
matters were openly discussed at the conferences of Pens 77,000,0001. With respect le the provision he has made, tic
in the presence of the Austrian Minister, there was no con- hen member for Sheffield efeempliments him upon its laviie
et:alumna no mystery about them, the opinions which were amount, and tereatens to 'aim a blow at a great branch of re
entertained were expressed without the slightest reserve venue, which will cost a million of money, and he says the
and with perfect good faith on the part of all who were con- Ceancellor of the Exchequer has provided for it three time,
corned in the discussions. As to what passed in li4B, those over in his surplus of revenue over expenditure. I confer
transmitioue have often been the subject of debate in this the provision with reamence to the expenditure as it stands on
house and elsewhere, and those who assert that the Go- paper seems to me somewhat narrow. If it be sufficient, it is
verument of this country were not actuated by perfect good qu to plain it will not be more than sufficient ; for while the
faith in the course which they took must assert it in com- expenditure is 77,0e0,0Ja., the revenue amounts o
plate ignorance of what paesea. The part which we took 67,-.00,0 tg. Then there is 1,5..0,0001., which may be taken
was perfectly fair and open. Lord. Minto wont to Italy for from his balances, and still there is between 8,030,000/ ate:
the avowed purpose of tendering advice to those Govern- 9,000,0001. deficiency. • Tetere may be 2,1)00,0001, for a vote
meats which might be willing to receive it with respect to of credit, and that reduces it to between 6,000,0001. am
improvetneuts in their administration. At that time there 7,e03,000/., but nearer 7,000,004. than 6,000,000/. Th
was an insurrection in Sicily, and at the request of the Chancellor of the Exchequer proposes to provide 5,000, 0
King of Naples we endeavoured to mediate betvimen him by the loan for welch he has just made arrangements, and Ii
and the Sicilians, We had brought that medtation nearly proposis to borrow 2,000-,0M., if necessary, upon Exchequer
to a point. The question was not what institutions they bonds or Exceequembilis. Supposing ho gets his 2.01M0M
should have, because the King of Naples was willing to give on Exchequer-bonds or Exchequer-bills, I do not think the
them institutions almost similar to thus) which tieey lied figures, when they come to be balanced, will show more thee
before possessed—but the question was, whether the Crown a surplus of 160,0001., and such a surplus upon a sum o
of Sicily was to be united with that of Naples on his head. 77,000,0001 is sailing very near the wind indeed. I, for
That would have been settled in a manner satisfactory to one, shall be delighted, when the proper opportunity
the Sicilians and consistent with the unity of the empire, arises, to tee the hon, member for, Sheffield succeed in tak-
when the French Revolution occurred. The news of that ing away a million of money from the revenue of the coun-
revolution kindled a fresh flame among the Sicilians, and try ; but in the present state of. our finances I hope the
they refusea to have the King of Naples as their Sovereign. Chancellor of the Exchequer will hold very firm and
Earl Miato, then acting according to the instructions of decided language to prevent incursions on the funds at his
the Government, and to the spirit of the mediation which command; and I trust, whatever may be our differences of
we had proposed said that he could no longer carry on com- opinion, we shall not set the pestilent example of abolishing
munications with tiara) who refused to remain subjects of taxes and supplying their place by borrowed money. loh
the Kieg of Naples, after offers had been made to them served in the early part of this debate that, for the moment,
ah ch ought to have satisfied them in regard to their in- hon. gentlemen seemed to forget the inevitable relation be-
stitutions. • There was no abandonment of any party that tween tee expenditure and the taxation Of the country. It
we had undertaken to support. We gave theta our good is now the disposition of the House of Commons to force
offices up to the pant of their continuing to be subjects of increased expenditure upon the Government. From every
the King of Naples ; but when excited and encouraged by quarter we hear suggestions that this ought to be done and
events in France, they declared that they would no longer that ought to be done—that there should be no parsimony
consent on any terms to have the Crown of Sicily united here and no niggardly proceedings there—until the House of
with the Crown of Naples, we said that good faith to that Commons has become a power on the whole rather favourable
Sovereign with whom we were in alliauce, and with whose to increased expenditure than to economy. I must confess
consent our diplomatic agent had entered on mediation, that I should have been glad to see greater reductions than
prevented our carrying on that mediation any further, those which have been announced. If I look at the army
Earl Mint) therefore retired, and the parties were left to estimates, I am sorry to find the vote which the House of
deal with each other as 'they pleased. There was nothing Commons passed, rather as a war measure than upon any
then in that transaction with which this country need be distinct examination of its merits, for 870,0001. for works,
dissatisfied. We gave every assistance to put an end to the which is a peace vote rather than a war vote-- lam sorry to
quarrel which had broken out between the people of Sicily find that vote is not likely to undergo more effective scrutiny
and the Neapolitan Government ; anti our failure was not or be subject to any sensible reduction. I confess that I
owing to any want of effort or goodwill on our parts, but likewise view with some disappointment the amended navy
to events which took place in another- paht of Europe which estimates, A sum of 16,800,0001 is very large; I will not
proved fatal to an arrangement which was otherwise in a say it is alarming, but it is a very disagreeable figure to see
fair way of being satisfactorily settled. (Hear, hear.) • for naval expenditure in the first year of peace. I perceive
Sir F. T. BARING supposed that he must be labouring a considerable part is for transport servicom-6, .00,0001. But
under some grave delusion, for he had thought that they still a sum of nearly 11,000,0001. remains for the naval este-
were called upon to consider some financial resolution, but blishments of the country for the first year of peace; and,
somehow, instead of talking about the Three per Centro, considering that our n vat establishments are not like those
the right hon. gentleman opposite had led theta into a dis- of the army—considering that the navy can be recalled and
cession about a tripartite treaty. Recalling the attention its excess got rid of with far greater facility than the army,
of the committee, however, to the subject of the budget, he the whole strength of which is in the Crimea, and to bring
(Sir F. Baring) thought that the Chancellor of the Exche- home which will require many, many menthe, I should have
quer had taken a wise course in not pledging himself with been very glad if the right honourable gentleman had pro-
regard to his future policy. At present it was difficult to posed to us a more moderate amount, and I am sorry the
as certain what oar war expenditure had actually been; nor house has not seemed disposed to take him to task upon
witraie easy yet tease what estimates would be required the subject of those estimates. (Cries of "Hear, hear: ")If
fori;hh future. His right boo. friend would find himself the house were disposed to do that, whether right or le ing
beset in all qu ittMe by gentlemen who had hobbies of their in particulars, it would be going the right way to work,
own with regard to par icular taxes, but he trusted that (Hear, hear.) But, instead of that, there seems to be a die-
his right hon. friend would stand firm, and that he would position to stimulate increased expenditure, while, by ques-
' abandon no revenue until lee could submit to Parliament' tions, motions, and divisions, every effort is directed to stint
a statement as 'to what the future peace establishments ing the means of meeting that expenditure, although those
of the country were to be, and as to the mode in which means are already quite enough, if not perhaps too much, re-
ha proposed to provide for those establishments. (Hear, duced. I trust the Chancellor of the Exchequer will hold
'hear.) It was no very easy thing to define what a par- firm and decided language upon this subject, and make it un-
feet tax was. Since 1316 we had been constantly revising derstood that it is the intention of the Government to main-
our system of taxation, and yet in all his financial expe. taro taxes until the time comes (no man longs for it more
thence he had,never been able to meet with a perfect tax; than I do) when the Government will be in a position to pro-
but he begged to remind his right hon. friend and the Pose those remaining reforMs which I quite agree aro yet to
committee, that there were certain taxes which had been be accomplished iu our system of taxation. I long for the
imposed purely as war taxes under the promise that they arrival of that time, but until that time does come I trust
should be removed within a certain time after the concha. the Government will be firm in its language, and lam confi-
Mon of peace ; and that it would be impossible for the dent, if the Ceancellor of the Exchequer will hold language
Government to fulfil their promises with respect to those which is intelligible, he will find that the House of Commons
taxes if they were induced to part with other sources of will never refuse to support him iu maintaining the public
revenue with respect to which no such promises had been revenue. (Cheers )
given. (Hear.) He concurred with the right hon. gentle- Mr. MALINS did not rise for the purpose of complaining of
man the member for Buckinghamshire in hoping that, be- any of the Chancellorof he Exchequer's propo Miens, but he
tween the present time and the same period next year, the thought the country would be disappointed at learning that
Government would take seriously into their consideration it would have still to bear the infliction of the income tax till
the establishments of the country with the view of re-. the sth of April 1858 (Hear.) He admitted that the act of
deicing • them. (Hear, hear.) He believed that economy Parliataeut gave the Government this power, but it was an
and 'efficiency not only could, but generally did go toga- accidental error in the act, and he doubted whether the Go-
ther, and that lavish expenditure was frequently proauc- vertu:Rent ought to avail themselves of it. By the strict let-
tive of great evils. (Hear.) Ile did not think that we for of the law the Government were not bound to give Sar
should have been better prepared for tiro I.4eeontsat if we diuia another million, yet they were going to do so. He did
had spent_ double the sums upon the army and navy. not mean to say that the 'conduct of Sardinia did not fully..
(Hear, hear.) Under these circumstances, he trusted that entitle her to this money, but what he wanted to show was
next year the Chancellor of the Exchequer would be able that in the case of Sardinia tho Government did not take ad-
to tell the country that the Government had, while still vantage of the strict letter of the act of Parliament. He coil-
retaining the establishments in an efficient state, reduced curred in the principle of taxation laid down by the right
them to a peace level. If that should not be the case, he hon. gentleman opposite (el.r. Gladstone), and though he ob-
felt convinced that the people would 'call upon the house jetted to the insurance duty as an oppressive and impolitic
to reduce 'the expenditure, and return to those old prat- tax, he would not, vote for a proposition which would strike
ticee of oconemy which had not been so fashionable during off 800,000/. from- the revenue, which was barely sufficient to
the last years as they formerly were. (Hear, hear.) meet the demands of the country. He regretted that some
Mr. GLADSTONE—AIthough I may regret that we general agreement was not come to at the Conference of Paris,
have been led to trespass to so considerable an extent upon by which reduction could be effected in the armaments of
the military establishments of all countries (Hear.)
questions of foreign policy on an evening devoted to fivan-
Sir H. WILLOUGHBY said the committee were now aware
cial concerns, yet it is not to be denied that the pro- of the cost of the war, namely c2,50C,0001.; that was to say,
posal made by the Chancellor of the Exchequer with 65,744,0001. was raised by taxes, and 251 millions by bor.
respect to Sardinia—a proposal the grounds of which were rowing. The right hon. gentleman the Chancellor of the Ex•
not fully developed—has tended, to a certain degree, chequer shook his head, but he (Sir H. Willoughby) believed
to carry us into that field. For my right hon, friend he was near the right figure. He thought the house had
come to the cone'usion that 771 millions would be required
has proposed to the committee, with regard to Sardinia for the expenditure of the foregoing. year on very light
that we should enter into an arrangement which is not grounds. He could not but come to the conclusion himself
comprehended within the treaty we have concluded with that 77t millions was toe much for. the public expenditure,
that Power, and upon the grounds of which we ought bearing in mind that peace had been concluded at the begin-
ning of the financial year, He objected to the system of
to be fully informed, (Hear, hear.) Recollecting the raising money by bonds as one that would lead to confusion
manner in which the right hon. gentleman the member for in the financial accounts. With regard to the loan to Sardinia,
Buckinghamshire, notwithstanding his objections to the he wished to know whether it was a bona fide loan or not.
system of subsidies and gaara.ntees in general, received, in He believed, for his own part, that it was a gift and not a
common with them who sit beside him, the proposal of loan, and that, in the circumstances of the Sardinian exche-
quer' they could not expect one farthing of the money back.
last year. to make a loan to Sardinia, lam sure we are not They had increased the capital debt of the country, eluting
to regard his speech to-night as indicating any change of two years of war, more than it had been diminished during
feeling on his or their part with respect to the policy of 40 years of peace. Ho disapproved of the system of resorting
that measure. (Opposition cheers.) I take the liberty of to. loans as highly miscbievous, and thought that the Chan-
cellor of the Exchequer ought to have appropriated some
saying so much, because, even at the hazard of following revenue for the payMent of the interest and loans effected.
the example, if such it he, of discussing what is besele the It was not wise to borrow money and then leave posterity to
question, I crnnot say how much importtnee I attach to pay it as they could.
maintaining abroad the conviction that if there is a subject
foreign
policy upon which the House of Commons, it not Mr. J. G PHILLIMORE coneidered the tax on insurances
as most miscbievous, but under the present circumstances he
absolutely unanimous, yet approaches to unanimity, it is was not prepared to vote withthe hon. member for Sheffield.
in the feeling of respect and regard which we entertain
towards the Sardinian Government and people, and in our He trusted no attempt would -be made to keep up a great
sense of the duty of lending them every support that the military establishment, but that a most rigid and unsparing
moral influence of England can give. (Choate) The right economy would be exercised in regard to the army. He did
bon. gentleman the member for Buckinghamshire alluded not look on our maritime establishments with the same eye.
The navy was a constitutional force, from which no danger
to certain indications which be finds in one of the protocols be could apprehended, and it was the best protection for the
of the conferences at Paris of an aggressive policy on the country.
part of Sardinia. I venture to say that, even if Sardinia did
entertain such schemes of aggression—and although we Mr. HENLEY wished to know whether the sum of
might, upon being assured that such was the fact, regret 5,000,0001. in Exchequer-bills; which the Chancellor of the
that she harboured such feelings—yet, considering her po- I Exchequer bad at led to be held by the Commimionem for
sition, we could scarcely, wonder at it. We must consider the Reductien of the National Debt, included the savings
the extreme difficulty which is experience.l by a very small banks investment
country that has one neighbour—and sonietiwes mole than Mr. VANSITToE,T exemeseml iris objection to maintaining
one—of whom she has cause to be afraid, anal not only has the tax on insurances. It was sacri,iciog the future interests
her political position complicated by foreign policy in its of the c 'untry to b.cot a mere temporary emergency T e
ordinary sense, but is likewise troubled in the rectification offices were allowed to retain the duty for a long time ; and
of her ecclesieatieal laws on mount of her relations ' if the duty was reduced at once the pressingnecessity for
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money would have passed away before the revenue would sou making the insurance, he being a British subject, and •
feel the effects of the reduction. against whom they could enforce it. ..
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER rose to answer Sir F. KELLY had great difficulty i a seeing how the Go•
several questions that had beau put to liirn in the course of vernment were to derive means of kno wing what insurances
the discussion. The sum of 5,0i0,000/. Exchequer Bills in ' might be effected abroad.
the hands of the Commissioners for the Reduction of the Na- The CHANCELLOR of the EXC 8 :EQUER thought the
tional Debt did include the investment on account of the say- clause of importance in one respect ; 1 nit as to the essence of
ings banks. The hon, and learned member for Wallingford i the bill he considered it was contained in the third clause.
bad referred to the provisions of the act imposing the incense , Mr. WILKINSON hoped the come ittee would not enter-
tax. He (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) had not attempted : thin the clause, which, in his opinion t, would prove inope-
to argue es to the equity or justice of he provision, but had • rative,
simply taken the act as it stood, and if they looked to the Mr. BAXTER looked upon the cla• :Ise as calculated to an-
provisions of it they would see that the conclusion (4 a treaty courage a system of espionage in t' cis country which waa
of peace referred to the exchange of the ratifications. He had quite foreign to the habits and inc linations of the British
not entered at all into the question of the financial arr 'no- people.
meats for tee following year ; they would come better before A conversation ensued, in which Mr. Hankey, the Solicitor-
, tee house when they had had experience of the expenditure ' General, Sir F. Kelly, Lord Stanley, Mr. Hadfield, the Attor-
of the coming year. With regard to the malt tax, it wits only ney-General, and Mr, Ewart, took part, as to what the ef-
the addition of five per cent. added fur the war that expired feet of the clause would be in relat , in to the non payment of
in July next ; the tax remeined as before. Tile hon member . the duty to the Crown, end ho', v it was to be ascer-
-1 for Evesham (Sir H. Willoughby) stated that his (the Chen- tai sen that the persons effecting sac ea policies were become
cellor of the Exchequer's) estimate of 77,5i10,e01/. for the cx- - &liters to the Crown, and which, it was intimated by the
penditure of the coining year was excessive, but such was not Attorney-Geueral, a machinery would be provided by the bill
the ease, as might be.found by adding the amount of the esti- to men:. such eases. Much, no daub , v could depend upon the
mates ou the table to the charge for the debt. With regard honour and faith of those insuring.
to the Sardinian loan, it was true, ae stated by the hen. gen- i Sir F. KELLY would assume that th e object in view was a
tlemen the member for the University of Oxford, that he had proper object, but how was the duty to he paid ? There
not submitted a complete view of the grounds on which the should be some machinery devise I under which persons liable
Government asked the house to consent to the payment of to pay this duty should be able to pay it. s
the second million ; but it would be necessary to propose a i The SOLICITOR-GENERAL admitted 'that it was the duty'
bill to give effect to the stipci ati .ns of the treaty and -.viien of the Government to effect this object, and it should have
it was introduced the subject could he fully considered ; but their consideration.
lee was satisfied the house veoale consider that the nation : On the question being then put, that cla use 2 stand part. of
was bound in honour t., pay the money. The expense seta- i the bill, the committee dirided, when then, i appeared- -
ally incurred bytne,Serdinian Government had. exceeded the i' For the clause
sum of two millions, and they had made application to her I Against it .
.I.ljesty'e Government for additional assistance ; but her I Majority
elej .sty's Government did nut, under the circumstances, feel I On clause 3,
themselves warranted in assentine to the proposal. Some ; Mr. HENLEY said that the first line of ' the clause was
reference hail been made to the subject of a revision of taxa- , rather obscure, and ho proposed to insert t he words, " and
;eon, but what he intended to say was, that the mere fact of agent," to make it more intelligible.
a change from war to peace was ti be followed by. a general ! The SOLICITOR-GENERAL thought the . amendment un-
cerision of taxation. ' The house should recollect that within i necessary, and . .
the lase few years every branch of taxation had undergone a After some discussion, it was withdrawn, ant lthe clausewas
systematic; review, agreed to.
Mr. WILLL&MS said the right hon. Chancellor of the Ex- The remaining clauses were agreed to.
chequer had not answered his question as to when details of Mr. HADFIELD proposed a clause reducing the present
Lhe reduction in the estimates would be laid on the table. rate of duty to a shilling in a hundred pounds .by the year.
Sir C. WOOD said that nine-tenths of the votes in the He believed that in consequence of the present en. trmous duty,
eaval estimates had been taken in full. There were only two one-half the property in London and one-third in the country
totes in which there was a reduction-in the number of men was uninsured. He apprehended that the rem Oval of this
tied the vote for the' transport service. He would make a duty altogether would not be bad policy.
statement on moving the balance of the votes which would The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, whenever
Live every information. the time should arrive for taking into considerate 1 the abo-
Mr. WALPOLE asked whether it was intended to separate lition of existing taxes, the proposal of the hon . member
the votes fe- the ordnance service front those more properly should be taken into consideration.
,elonging to the army ? - . The clause was then negatived without a division, . and the
• The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that it was house resumed.
intended, in the Appropriation Bill, to divide the military JOINT STOCK COMPANIES BILL.
istimates into two portions, analogous to the old distinction On the motion that the Speaker should leave the e". hair,
between the army and ordnance votes. Full opportunity.for Mr. SPOONER objected to going into committee ett that
dscussing the whole army estimates would be given when late hour.
• the votes were taken for the balance. Mr. LOWE hoped they would allow him to procee d with
The resolutions proposed by the Chancellor of the Exche- the bill.
per were then agreed to. Mr. HENLEY and Mr. baleen objected to going into, come
FIRE INSURANCES BILL. mittee, and the commitiee was postponed till Friday.
F On the motion for going into committee on this bill. POOR-LAW AMENDMENT BILL. •
Mr. BAXTER said he had several objections to the bill in On the motion that this bill should be read a second time„
1 is amended form. It had its origin in the circumstance of Mr. HENLEY objected to • the second reading at present„
foreign insurance companies having opened offices in London as there were some important principles involved in it.
a and seriously affected the insurance duty. The Chancellor of Sir G PECHELL and Lord J. MANNERS also objeoted.
i he Exchequer was naturally anxious to apply a remedy to Mr. BOUVERIE said the objections to certain clauses were,;
, .his state of things; but ho doubted whether the proposed objections to he considered in committee
! eemedy would be efficacious. The bill would only be an Mr. HENLEY said he was sorry to be compelled to moved
s advertisement for foreign insurance companies. It might that the debate should be now adjourned.
shut up one or two offices in London, but the necessary con- Lord J. MANNERS said there was no expectation on the t
sequence would be to increase the number of insurances part of hon. members that the second reading would be pro- •
i. affected abroad.
.This could only be prevented in one way, ceeded with that night.
i sy reducing the present exorbitant duty, which was so ex- Mr. BOUVERIE consented not to press the second read-
, :essive that it defeated its own object of raising revenue. At ing, and it was adjourned till Friday.
e iresent, only one-sixth of the insurable property of this Transfer of Works (Ireland) Bill, and Court of Exchequer
ountry was insured. It was only in 1820 that the business (Scotland) Bill, were each read a second time.
to ,f fire insurance had been taken up in France ; and at this - GENERAL WILLIAMS.
n 'lenient upwards of sixteen millions worth of property was The report on the message from her Majesty, for granting
i iesured there, d,uble the amount that was insured in this a peesion to this gallant officer, was brought up and agreed
e country. The duty on marine insurance in this country was to.
it one time excessive ; and the result* was that a great part of The Juvenile Convict Prison (Ireland) hill was read athird
e etc business went abroad ; but the'Government seeing this, time.
The Industrial and
.Provident Societies Bill went through
rt oak the alarm, and reduced the duty. At pesent, the duty
am in fire insurances was 200 per cent. ; but on life insurances committee.
.e. ,:, was at a much lower rate, and there was even a bonus on The Procedure and Evidence Bill was reed a second time.
11 • .fe iesurance in the Income Tax Act. The provisions of the The Judicial Procedure, ih,c. (Scotland), Bill was read a
x .ill before the house could only be enforced by opening every second time,
r( otter that passed through the Post-office. It was a lucre The Registration of Voters (Scotland) Bill was read a
01 ebbling at the difficulty, and trifling with a great question, second time.
Ii :dear, hear.) He hoped that the right hon gentleman, with On the order of the day for the consideration of the Dis-
t( mat philosephicaluccuraey for which he was distinguished, Banters' Marriages Bill,
ht vould take a proper view of the subject, and remit this duty. Mr. GLADSTONE complained that it was brought forward
re :Hear, hear.) on a former occasion without due notice being given to the,
.e Mr. WILKINSON* said he would net be ono to urge the house, and the members' 1 the Universities in particular.
la eleaucellor of the Exchequer to remit any duties at the pre- After a short discussion, the bill was postponed for the pure
ice ,ent moment; but this was a case in wh ch the revenue pose of being re-committed this slay.
cc vould inevitably be lost if something were not done to enable The Church-rates Abolition Bill was postponed to Juno 2.
on higlish offices to compete with those abroad. He hope I the The Juvenile Offenders (Ireland) Bill went through coin-
Ati tight hon. gentleman would give -an assurances that this mitt".
he . could be the first tax to be repealed. (Hear.) Mr. R. PHILLIMORE moved the appointment of a select
e Mr. HADFIELD said the principles of free-trade were committee on the Tithe Commutation Rent-charge Bill, ",
en neking great progress on the continent ; and this bill went , namely :-Mr. R. Phillimore, Lord A. Hervey, Sir W. Heath -
le: ii prove to our neighbours that we were most selfish and cote, Mr. Walpole, Mr. Bouverie, the Chancellor of the Es :-
it, tetermiued to maintain a monopoly where our own trade chequer, Sr J. Trollope. Mr. Lowe, Mr Hiudley, Sir J. Pa) :-
pc vas copeerne3. At this infonaut, when most important iugton, Mr. Henley, Mr. Cheetham, Mr. Headland the Mat :-
li ineetious were being, agitated on the continent, this little qnis of Chanties, and Mr. Napier.-Motion agreed to.
, sitry bill was likoly to stop the movement in favour of At this stage of the proceedings " a count" took place, an d
In :ree-trade. The duty of 200 percent. was most exorbititet ; and 40 members nut being present, the house adjourned at twene I
to le believed that the drawback allowed, amounting to 65,00 t.,, minutes to one o'clock.
1. ssisted some small offices to pay their expenses. .....—.—,-,-.
he Sir S. BIGNOLD hoped tee Government would persevere
in vith this bill, whose object he considered to be, not te shut up County Markets.
o two or three foreign agencies in London, but to place the Eng-
,
kir fish and foreign offices on the same footing. The revenue do- CHELMSFORD-MAY 16.
ity rived 1,3000,000/. from this tax, and in return the Govern-
-4 '1
ik- ment ought to do something in favour of the English coinpa-
The sale for wheat was very dull, with a reduction
in- ides, which supported the fire brigades, and afforded other ad- from la to 2s per qr. Spring corn ruled firm, at la! 4
the vantages to thep week's prices. Dun peas is dearer.
public. If .the Chancellor of the Exchequer ,
,nd could afford to give up two-thirds of the duty, the companies Wheat, white, old, per s. a. .
s. a .
his would gladly accept the boon, but they did not press for it. , qr.so 76 1 Oats, per qr 22 1 1
of Mr. GLYN supported the bill, on the ground that the new.... 50 74 Peas, Partridge 38 4 (
ing foreign offices were carrying on a contraband trade, and corn- red, old 49 h 8 , White 40 4 I
eb neting unfairly with English companies. He was surpri•ed new.... 48 67 Boiling 4l 4c.
at, that gentlemen connected with insurance offices should oppose Barley 30 38 Dun 38 3
be- ens bill, wiiich was meant more for their protection than for Chevalier 33 42 Beans, Tick 35 a-i
It that of the revenue. (Hear.) Considering that this tax yielded Grinding .... 2B 36 I Harrow ticks 37 3l '
roe 1.300,C00/. a year, which was more easily collected, perhaps, Malt 71 75'1 Mazagan 34 31 i
cry than any other, he thought the Government would be blame- Chevalier ..... ..... 73 77 I Ditto, new 33 24 I
,nd ible for givnig it up in the present state of the revenue. The ----e-
-my I total amount of insurable property in this country was 3,250 COLCHESTER- MAY 17.
of millions, of which about one third was insured. When the The supply of wheat was not large ; the best samplfsi
ble duty on agricultural policies was reduced, it wa.s not imme- realised last week's prices, other sorts is-per qr. cheape e •
ess diately followed by a large. increase in the insurances on that Barley, beans, and peas same as last week.
ran class of property ; the amount had only increased from fifty- Prices to-day were as follow :-Wheat, white, 68s to 76 i;
my two millions in 1541 to sixty-seven millions in 1856. The in- red, 64s to 68s; barley, -s to Os ; oats, -s to Os ; bear 0,
th of ference was at such reduction as was now proposed in the Mazagaa, .36s to 33s ; middle and small, 40s to 445; pea No
my .Inty on fire insurances would not lead to anything like such white, 40s to 42s ; grey, 40s to 421.
ks, an increase as was anticipated. When they spoke of the - .
to amount of insurances abroad, it should be borne in mind that
Official Statement of the Quantities of Corn, &a., received
my both in France and Holland the "average clause" was inserted in the port of London, from the following ports, frozat
it I in every policy. (Hear.) Should the Chancellor of the Exche- the Ilth to the 17th May, both inclusive.
hey quer be much pressed on this question, he might give relief
-
not by reducing the duty to is, or is. 6d. on policies containing . .
see the average clause ; and in this way the competition of the ee te
he . h h
g . ° ... - 3 64 g
ive French offices might best be met. This system of the absence of 4 d
But the average clause operated detrimentally in another way. The ~.. h 5 Oa es
its- , greatest amount of losses arose-from small fires, which might ——_
ted, be obviated, but which the parties had no desire to obviate, Colchester l7O • - 205' -- - - -
ose because they got full payment for the loss. If they had the Harwich 253 - :60 - - - 240
end average clause losses in that way would not ariee. Leigh - - - 11 -
ny, Lord STANLEY said he thought this tax not only the Maldon 1651 74 - 62 1224 - 620
ing most inexpedient, but, to use a stronger word, the most im-
aye moral tax that could be conceived. Bu' still at this particu- KIRKCALDY-MAY 17.
fro- lar moment lie quite concurred in the general foaling of the We had fair supplies of wheat and . oats, but small of
the house that they should not disturb the financial arrangsments. barley. Wheat sold quickly at last weekhr rates ; oats a
pon He believed, however, that the bill would be inoperative un- slow sale, at rather less money ; barley same as last mar-
If less larger powers were given than those it now contained. ket day.
'ong i Under the bill every person who acted as an aeeat for a fo- Wheat. I Barley. I Oats. I Beans.
,i.k. reign office, unless he took out a I:ce in ~ was liable to penal First Vs 0(1 I 43s 01 30s Od 1 Os Od
I
b.- t 1 'Ns. But an office might advertise, and the business might Second
Les- and N...
......
-ould be transacted by correspondence ; there was no- Third 59s Od. _ifs (:d 1 25s Od I Os Od
int thing to el'me before the public of which it was possible,. Go- e .
He should therefore reluc-
Lose vernment couih el take eegui'ance. ' going into committee on the bill. OVAL MA t: KRT.-MAT 19.
re- tautly vote aphis. ,' 7 - foreign volley in his hand, dated
told Mr. TITS said Fie he.''' . - him of Coat per toe At the close of the Market.
,utamed tt.e ave age clause, and
un- the 7th of May, *high et. , that if the pieties. could' not s. d, . Wallsend, itc.
tin- there was ale m anotimr eofylitt...u, ~or must he rentitt•,d to the Brtidle W. Hartley l6 '. a„ '.
Lore i agree as to the total value tee prte,
did not mean to insinu Byass's West Hartley .. 16 I laswell - 19 0
e ler rich courts as
ire- I French (emits fer their decision. /le. Davison's West Hartley 16 ( lotion l9 0
tto ,' ate that justice would not be done in the Fleet ng's Hartley
ngg
inwaa.
foreign court.
the I well as in those of thereEnglaed„gbuptroseteileltiis the expense t{„werths West Hartley tuasell's Ffetton 18 9
ust and incouvenieuees of hat+Netherton l6 . C dente}, Hall ... • ,. .18 6
ofi- For this reason he thought that into ference was "1-' li"es- Walker Primrose l4 . etelloe 18 6
age sary, , b 'lt still he found that there etas a large amount „nf Eng- tA/ ansend. he theenwood l6 6
ens lisn i surauces effected with' foreign offices, and there at. .°111'! Gosforth l4 3 ohoodhouse Close ...... _l7 3
Lek be some protection for the British offices till the Governote?" Riddell . 16 f' Carr's:Merthyr .. 21 0
could consider the whole subject, • , Braddyll . 18
gof The CHANCe.LLOR of the EXCHEQUER said the bill ships at market... 42 I Sold .... ...... .42
he proposed t. remove the unfair competition now existing be-
1111.11•=11. .4=1•••••••••11.11
hat tween British and foreign companies, and against which come
till petition the present state of the law provided no remedy Tile LOCAL SHARE MARKETS.
of foreign offices were under no duty, while the British were. The
an bill, however, was pbjected to on the ground that it would a
Llo- not effect time object in view; and that objectioultad been urged LIVERPOOL, MAT 10,
let- even by those who pro' essed their anxiety to remotely this evil
STOCK Exens.r7oE.-The market opened quietly today,
lift- complained of, The bill li s(1 been drawn up by able men, and
and, subsequently, on the announcement that the Govern-,
did submitted to and approved of by the law effieers of the Crown.
,ment terms had been accepted for the new loan, improved.
my.. It also received the sanction of men engaged in and well ac
,sal closed at the best point of the day. Midlands, 77 7
sac -with with theimeinotte a iusurearhe offices. .He thought e „ ,_
ad- it would answer the purpose for which it was introduced, and . ta. 4. 1 .-L-London and North Western, 102 le 2i i----
ou. felt himself responsible for its int eduction. If it should Ditto, 1-e shares, e p -North Ristetn; Berwick, Eaten-
ght prove a failure, a more stringent measure might be intro- s_i2n No. 1 and 2,55 k d.-LaneashireYorkshire, 90i
Great Western of Canada, 266 i-South Eastern, 21i.
ob- (limed ; but he did not think it right that lion. gentlemen
itic who thought the object it proposed a proper one, should -----
eke satisfy themselves by simply objecting that it could not carry The steeple and the small chu-ch of De; serega, on the
Ito 1 out that object. Thee: duty. was manifestly to go into com- coast of Gennajell down a fee" days back, burying be-
tine I mittee, and then endeavour to improve it Those gentlemen neatb its ruins the old oanon attached to it, 80 years of
cis, who were in favour of a reduction of the duty said, "Wo will
age, and his servant,
; of not allow you to amend the law unless you make a bargain
with us to diminish the duty." He could not, however, con- -,........-.........
rare , sent t- sacrifice 300,040/. per annum at the very time when
say, ' he was asking the house to sanction a loan of 5,000,00 cl.He BI RTHS.
tor_ wit; also of opinion that any attempt to force by logis'ation • Or a SON.
such a provision as the average clause, would not meet either
Ex- on the 18th inst., at 13, Sussex-square, Hyde-park, the
the aeceptance of the house or the country. He hoped the
ved wife of Charles Butler, Esq.
had house would agree to the motion, that the Speaker do now On the 17th inst., at Stoke Bishop, the wife of Lieut.-
red leave the chair Colonel Munro, 39th Regiment.
Sir F KELLY said the right hon. gentleman had not dis-
ght OP A DAUGHTIS.
self , tinetly informed the house whether the duty was imposed for
ire I the protection of insurance offices or the revenue, but for On the 17th inst., at 81, Eaton. place, the wife of Lieut.-
he'. whateier purpose the bill was brought forward, in his (Sir F. Colonel A. Lowry Cole, C. 8., 1-7th Regiment.
.of . Kelly's) opinion, it was a total failure. It came back to the On the 18th inst., at 15, Eastcheap, the wife of Dfr.
Lion question whether-they were to continuo a protective duty on Julius Lowenthal.
i
• foreign policies. If they were to say that every ore who put MARRIED,
am, •
,„t, , his name up to take foreign insurances was bound to take out
„-t--; a licence, that was quite understandable. But that was not 'On the 17th inste, at Tunbridge Wells, the Rev. A. 1.:
1,..„-- the purpose of the bill for it said that ~ every one who took Ross, Brighton, to Katherine Susan, second daughter 01
e-ii.- ! a proposal for an insurance" was to take out a licence, and the late Rev. Jchn Sterling.
; that, unless he did. so, he was to be fined 100/. a day for On the 15th inst., at Holy Trinity Church, Brampton,
,ing every day he neglected to do so, He contended that this George Henry Lake Wise, Esq., R.N., to Constance, the
ing was a violation of all propriety and justice. It was an effort third daughter of Charles B. Roe, Esq., of Bromptou.
to impose it tax which it would be impossible to carry out.
an- DIED.
Ho suggested that the better course' would be to leave these
mie
tech foreign agents to act in accordance with principles which On tho 18th inst., in Eaton-square, Ann, wife of Baird'
rto influenced .man and man in the ordinary transaction of Devitt, Esq., M.P.
business
i . On the leth inst., in the Wandsworth-road, Mr. James
Mr. GREOSON said that the only object of this bill was
es
armed fit. Willehire, dC9
to make foreignoffices pay, the duty sow paid by Englishßosa',
_,a heOn the 1911 inst
~, , offices. ~ at 9, Cooper's-row, Mr. Ralph
. . _ acted 111.

Mr. ALCOCK reminded hon. gentlemen who supported
this bill that it would be a premium upon habits of Luprovi-
deuce. Cie would vote against the bill.
Mr. VANSITTAItT moved that the bill be committed that
day six months. • • •
The house divided, when the numbers were—
For the motion
For the amendment ..... 31
•
Drojerity —l4l
The house then went into committee.
Clause I was azreecl to. On clause 2 being proposed,
Mr. BAXTER !sdirl timt the bill aimed r,t s. stem of

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.tiuL• Sidi; i

Mr. R. PHILLIMORE moved the appointment of a select
committee on ths: Tithe Commutation Rent-charge Bill, ",
namely :—Mr. R. Phillimore, Lord A. Hervey, Sir W. Heath -
cote, Mr. Walpole, Mr. Bonverie, the Chancellor of the Es :-
chequer, Sr J. Trollope. Mr. Lowe, Mr Hindley, Sir J. Pal :-
iugton, Mr. Henley, Mr. Cheetham, Mr. Headlam, the Mal :-
(pis of Chandos, and Mr. Napier.—Motion agreed to.
At this stage of the proceedings " a count" took place, an d
40 members not being present, the house adjourned attwent
minutes to one o'clock.

Altor f trola .
The A.TTUalsii::,Y-GENE1111:. sida the bil' merely meant to
impose 4. duty ou foreign offices similar to that paid by Eng.
4511 owes, The object .W4ls to impose, fig: duty ou the ror7

/RD—MAY 16.
lry dull, with a reduction 4
lg corn ruled firm, at la,
,13104131%

a. a .
per qr 22 1 8
Partridge 38 4 0
White 40 4 T
Boiling 4l 4 %
Dun 38 3

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3"
;
3!6

The supply of wheat was not large ; the best samplfo
realised last week's prices, other serts Is per qr. cheape t •
Barley, beans, and peas same as last week.
Prices to-day were as follow :—Wheat, white, 683 to 76 i;
red, 64s to 68s; barley, —s to Os ; oats, —s to Os ; beat is
Hazagan; 36s to 339 ; middle and small 40s to 445; pea No
white, 40s to 42s ; grey, 40s to 421.

, receives
arts, from

B. 4•
laswell 19 0
ietton l9 0
denslier 17 3
tussell's Ffetton 18 9
lend. Hail.. • is 6
helloe 18 6
F.venvvond l6 6
Aroodhouse Close ...... l7 3
Carr's :Merthyr .. 21 0

On tho 18th inst., in Eaton-square, Ann, wife of Edyrd•
Devitt,
On the 1-th ingt., in the Wandsworth-road, Mr. James
Wilshire, aged 62.
On the 19th inst., at 9, Cooper's-row, Mr. Ralph Roan,
aged C 6.
On the 17th inst., at Leamington, Sir Frederick Gaeta;
vns Fuwke, Bart., of Lowest)), Hall, Leicestershire, ege"
74.
On the 17th inst., at Walhampton, Leamington, }lento,
the Rev. Sir George Burrard, Bart, aged 83.
On the 17th inst., at Shepherd's-bush, Win. Webster,
Esq., late Captain 16th Lancers, aged 69. of
On the 16th inst., the Rev. 'Robert Greara, rector
Rotherfield, Suss?x, aged 79.
On the 17th iust., at Ashby-roatl, Islington, Ur. DAD
Brent, aged

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