The Sun.
London, England, 1860-06-30 00:00:00

THE SUN, LONDON, SATURDAY EVENING, JUNE 30, 1860.

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not having a vote is just the reason why they
have never been appealed to, and never examined
these questions, and been enlightened on them. In
France they are as wise as these artisans, for in
Paris where prices are even higher for meat than
they are here, the Government will not allow
the bakers to raise the price of bread. Bread
and shows the Parisians must have, or the tables
might be turned, and the King of NAPLES have
to enlighten his Imperial brother at the Tuileries
on—how to keep a throne. French Govern-
ments do not seem to have advanced beyond
English meetings of artisans.

delence from almost all the crowned heads of
Europe.
The funeral of Prince Jerome will take place
on Tuesday, at eleven in the morning. The Em
peror, it is said, will not be present; the ceremony
will be conducted by Prince Napoleon, chief mour-
ner. All the members of the diplomatic body have
paid visits of condolence to the Prince and. the
Princess Clotilda. The post mortem examination
of the body of Prince Jerome led to the discovery
of a ball which had remained in his chest, after a
duel which he fought in his youth with a brother
of Marshal I)avoust.

BOURSE, June 29.—The opening of the market
was dull, and the prices depressed, but they are now
about the same as yesterday. Three varied from
68f 45c to 68f 571 c ; Mobilier, 670 f to 672 f 50c;
Austrian, 523 f 75c to 525 f ; Lombard, 501 f 25c to
502 f 50c ; Lyons, 876 f 25c to to 877 f 50c ; Orleans,

1,338 75c to 1,340 f ; Northern, 982 f 50c to 983 f 75c.
The following are the last quotations :

41 per per Cents ... 96 40 ; Credit Fonder 865
Do end month.... ; Belgian 4.1 — ---
3 per Cents
Do. end month 6B 65 Roman
Bank Shares . 9820 ! Austrian
('redit Mobilier.... 672 50 I Spanish Threes 49
Do. Account 675 ! Home Debt

T' I; PRIVILEGES OF THE HOUSE OF

COM-1/O.NS.

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The following Report was presented to the
House of Commons yesterday :
_The Select Committee appointed to search the
journals of both Houses of Parliament in order to
ascerta'n and repOrt on the practice of each House

with regard to the several descriptions of bills im-
posing or repealing taxes have searched the said
journals accordingly, and have agreed to the fol-

lowing report :
I. Your committee have searched for precedents
in the journals, from the year 1628 to the present
time, in order that they might ascertain and re-
port on the practice pursued by either House with
regard to the several descriptious of Bills imposing
and repealing taxes. The practice and the mode of
procedure is somewhat different, according to the
character and object of those Bills. Your com-
mittee have, therefore, for the sake of clearness,
classified the same chiefly under one or other of the
following heads :-
1. Bills of Supply and Tax Bills ;
2. Bills for appropriating Supplies ;
3. Public Bills, which are not strictly Bills of
Supply or Tax Bills, but which operate as a tax or
charge on the people; and
4. Bills for altering or repealing Acts which re-
late to Supply, Taxes, or Charges.
Your committee have thought it necessary to call
the attention of the House to those cases only in
which the Lords have interfered.
11. Your committee commenced their search with
the year 1628, for two reasons—first, because the
previous cases are most ably commented on in the
great precedent of 1671 ; and, secondly, because the
year 1628 is the year in which the present form of
granting the supplies may be said to have been
practically established.
BILLS OF SUPPLY AND TAX BILLS.
The Commons grant : the Lords assent. _

111. The most ancient manner of giving aids to
the Crown was by the Lords and Commons, sepa-
rately from each other, each for themselves only,
and without mutual communication. But from a
very early period the Lords and Commons joined
together, and, since they did so, the fundamental
rule has always been—the Commons grant, the
Lords assent. In the great conferences held with the
Lords in 1640, 1671, and 1691, reference is made to
the " indemnity of the Lords and Commons," in 9th
Henry IV., 1407. This precedent is so important
that your committee think it right to give it in
full :
" On Wednesday, the 2d day of December, (1407),
which was the last day of Parliament, the Com
mons came before the King and the Lords in Par-
liament, and there, by command of the King, a
schedule of indemnity, on a certain altercation that
had happened between the Lords and Commons,
was read ; and on this, it was commanded by the
King that the said schedule should be entered in
record on the roll of Parliament; the tenour of
which schedule follows :
"Be it remembered that, on Monday, the 21st
day of November, the King our Sovereign Lord
being in the Council Chamber within the Abbey of
GlOcester, there being in his presence the Lords
spiritual and temporal in this present Parliament
assembled, it was discoursed among them concern-
ing the state of the kingdom, and how to defend it
against the malice of enemies, who on every side
are threatening the said kingdom and the faithful
subjects thereof; and that this malice cannot be re-
sisted unless, for the safeguard and defence of his
said kingdom, our Sovereign Lord the King have
in this. present Parliament some considerable aid
and subsidy granted to him. And on this, the afore-
named Lords asked, by way of question,—What
aid would suffice and be needful in this case ? To
which demand and question it was by the said
Lords severally answered,—That, considering the
necessity of the King on the one hand, and the
poverty of his people on the other, less aid would
not suffice than a tenth and a half from the cities
and boroughs, and a fifteenth and a half from the
other lay people ; and, besides, to grant a pro-
longation of the subsidy of wools, hides, and wool-
fells, and of 3s. of tonnage and 12d. of poundage,
from the next approaching feast of St. Michael
till the feast of St. Michael two years next
ensuing. On which, by command of the King, a
message was sent to the Commons of this present
Parliament that they should cause to come before
the King and the said Lords a certain number of
persons of their body to hear and report to their
companions what they should have in command
from our Lord the King aforesaid. And on this, the
said Commons sent to the presence of the King and
the said Lords 12 of their companions, to whom, by
command of the King, the aforesaid question was
declared, together with the answer of the said
Lords severally given to the same. Which reply it
was the will of the King that they should report
to the remainder of their companions ; so that they
should take steps to conform to the answer of tho
Lords. Which report being made to the said Com-
mons, they were greatly disturbed, saying and
affirming that it was in great prejudice and dero-
gation of their liberties. And since our Lord the
King had become aware of this, not wishing that
anything should be done now, or in time to come,
which might be anywise turned against the liberty
of that estate for which they have come to Parlia
ment, nor against the liberties of the Lords afore-
said, he wills, grants, and declares, by the advice
and assent of the Lords, in mauler as follows,—
that is to say :—That it is lawful for the Lords to
consider among themselves, in this present Parlia-
ment, and in every other time to come, in the ab-
sence of the King, of the state of the realm, and of
the remedies needful for this. And in like manner
it is lawful for the Commons on their part to con-
sider among themselves on the same state and reme-
dies. Provided always, that neither the Lords on
their part, nor the Commons on theirs, should make
any report to our said Lord the King, of any grant,
granted by the Commons and assented to by the
Lords, nor of the discussions on the said grant, before
that the said Lords and Commons are of one assent
and of one accord in that matter ; and then in man-
ner and form as is accustomed—that is to say, by
the mouth of the Speaker of the said Commons for
the time being ; so that the said Lords and Com-
mons shall be agreed with our Lord the King. Be-
sides this, the King wills, with the assent of the
Lords aforesaid, that the discussion in this present
Parliament, had, as above, should not be drawn
into an example in time to come, nor be turned to
the prejudice or derogation of the liberties of the
estate for which the said Commons are now come,
in this present Parliament nor in any other in time
hereafter. But he wills that they and all the other
estates should be as free as they were :be-
fore."—(Rolls of Parliament, 9th Henry IV., No.
21.)
IV. It was in 1628 the preamble of Supply Bills
was filially fixed as we now find it :—" Most gra-
cious Sovereign, we your Majesty's most faithful
Commons have given and granted to your Majesty."
On the 7th of June in that year a committee, con-
sisting of Sir E.. Coke, Mr. Glanville, Mr. Selden,
and many others, was appointed to draw the pre-
amble of the subsidy. In the preamble
as so drawn, the Commons only were named,
and the Lords omitted. To that omission the
Lords took exception. Conferences were held,
but the Commons adhered to their own form, for
" this course was not liked in this house, as being of a
dangerous example in point of consequence." Ulti-
mately, the Lords passed the bill without altering
the preamble, but, contrary to usage, they retained
the Bill in their House, " to which much exception
was taken." Nevertheless, when the King came to
prorogue Parliament, the Speaker presented it,
praying "his Majesty's Royal assent unto the bills
passed both houses."
V. In the short Parliament of 1640, the King
having come to the House of Lords and demanded
a present supply, the Lords requested a conference,
which was held on the 25th of April. A question
arose whether the Lords could in any way interfere
with the Commons relative to precedency which sup-
ply should have over other matters. On the 27th
of April the Lords expressed to the Commons their
opinion that, in regard of the urgency and even the
necessity of the King's affairs, the Commons should
begin with giving the King a supply, and a con-
ference was desired on that subject. Tire conference
was held, after which Mr. Herbert, the Solicitor-
General, reported, among other things, that the
Lords at the conference had stated that, "though
my Lords would not meddle with matters of sub-
sidy, which belonged naturally and properly to you,
no, not to give you advice therein, but have utterly
declined it, yet, being members of one body, and
subjects of the same King, and all concerned in the
common safety, and in their duty to his Majesty,
and in their zeal and natural love to their country,
themselves, and their posterity, they have declared
by vote, That they held it most necessary and fit
that tho matter of supply should have precedency
before any other Latter or consideration whatso-
ever,' and therefore desired a conference with you
to. let you lolow their reasons." Upon this the
Commons resolved "that, by the matter propounded
in the late conference with the Lords, the privi-
leges of this }louse are violated." And further,
"that their Lordships' voting, propounding, and
declaring, touching matters of supply in such sort
as is contained in this Report, before it moved from
this House, is a breach of privilege of this House."
On the 27th of April a committee was appointed
to prepare an address unto the Lords for "righting
their privileges." The address was presented by
Mr. Pym, at a conference held on the 28th of April.
In this address Mr. Pym said, " Your Lordships, in
the last conference, have been, pleased to affirm that
the matter of subsidy and supply natu rally belonginA
to the House of Commons, your Lordships would.