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London, England, 1869-07-17 00:00:00

i PEILIAL VIILIL, 'A EN

HOUSE OF LORDS-LAST EVENING.

The Lonti CHANCELLOR took his seat on the woolsack
at five o'clock.

Petitions were presented from 34 Chambers of Com
me] ce in favour of the Bankreptcy

•''GREEN%t ICH HOSPITAL BILL.
This bill was read a second time without dismssion.
THE ACCOMMODATION OF THE HOUSE.

The Earl of CARNARVON then proceeded to move
a string of resolut,ous for the rearrangement of the seats
in the houso with a view to increase the acoustic pro-
perties of the chamber.

- After some remarks from Earl Stanhope, the Duke of
Montrose, the Bishop of Oxford, the Dake of Cleveland,
and other peers, the resolutions were withdrawn.
Earl GRANVILLE said that if the Irish Church Bill
came back from the other house, and could be printed to-
morrow morning (this day), he would propose that the
Counuons' amendments to their .Lordshipa' amendments
should be considered on Monday.

The Alarqu's of SALISBURY protested against so un-
seemly a haste, which would not even have boon urged in
an unimportant bill.

Earl GRANVILLE agreed to fix Tuesday.
Their lordships then adjourned.

HOUSE OF COMMONS—LAST EVENING.
The SPEAKER took the chair at four o'clock.
NE W COLUMBIA.

Mr. MONSELL, in reply to Mr. Rathbone, said there
was no intention to change the site of the capital in New
Columbia.

CHRISTIANS 1N CRETE.
Mr. OTWAY said steps were being now taken by the
Turkish Government to secure to the Christians in Crete
civil and religious liberty.
ADMISSION OF STRANGERS.
Mr. LAYARD, in reply to Mr. Herbert, said he pro-
posed to have the chairs in the ladies' gallery numbered,
and that arrangement would prevent the ladies attending
some time before the debates commenced.
FRENCH. ATLA.NTIC CABLE.
Mr. OTWAY, in reply to Mr. lismuno, said no intelli.
gence had been received that the United States Govern-
ment had refused to permit the landing cf the French
Atlantic Telegraph. There was, however, an opinion pre-
valent that it would be illegal to land it before permission
had been granted, but the Government had received no
further intelligence on the subject.
TAE RIOTS AT POaTADOWN.
Mr C. FORTESCUE said it was unfortunate that the
adjourned inquest should not take place for so long a
period as the 3d of August, but the Executive Govern-
ment had no control over the coroner.
An Hos. MEMBER said the adjournment took place in
accordance with the wish of the jury.
IRISH CHURCH BILL.
The further consideration of the Lords' amendments to
this bill was then proceeded with.
On the clause inserted by the Lords marked C,
Air. GLADSTONE made some explanation to this
clause, which related to private endowments, royal grants,
and Ulster glebes, and moved that the date in the first
put tion be altered from May to January, and that they
further agree with the first portion of the clause down to
the words £500,000 sterling.
Mr. DISRAELI thought it was quite time that some
clear understanding should be come to with respect to the
future of the disestablishment of the Church in Ireland.
By the bill the Protestant Church would be placed in
competition with the most ancient hierarchy in
England, governed by a temporal prince, which he
thorgLt was, to ail intents, a State Church, and to say
that the Protestant Church in Ireland was by the present
bill placed on au equal footing with that, was a perfect
to: ckery. He contended that the right hon. gentleman
had first seized the whole of the revenues of the Church,
and then he made them an offer of a small portion of the
money back again, and wished it to be believed that he
was doing a magnanimous apt. He contended that the
arrangement made by the Lords with respect to the Royal
grants, or Ulster glebes, was both modest and moderate,
and therefore it ought to be agreed to. Ho wished it to
be said whether or no the unfortunate institution which
had been so despoiled was to be placed in competition
with the Church of Rome.
Mr. 0. FORTESCUE said the construction ha put upon
the observations of the right hon. gentleman opposite was
to give these Ulster glebes to the Protestants in that part of
the United Kingdom as the only means of saving the
Church from the see of Rome. He (Mr. Fortesque) as a
member of the Protestant and at present Established
Church, did not think there was any such danger. A
free Protestant Episcopal Church in Leland if only libe-
rally supported by its members had, he felt certain, no-
thing to fear. He contended that the Ulster grants were
made solely for the purposes of a State Church, and that
they were not given for Protestant purposes was very clear,
because the Presbyterians had nothing of the k:nd.
Colonel WILSON- PATTEN considered that the taking
away of the t ndowtnents of the Church in Ireland would
be to place it most disadvantageously with the Romish
Church. He had no fear for the Protestant Church if
placed on au equality with other churches, but he must say
that the proposa: of the Government was far from the
generous and liberal manner in which members opposite
stated it was to be treated when before their constituencies
fur re-election.
Mr WAITERS said he must protest against the lan-
guage of some of the hon. gentlemen opposite. He did
not believe that they had given up all hope for the future.
If the Churchmen in Iri•laLd showed the determination
that had been exhibited by the Free Church in Scotland,
there was still a great future before the Protestant Church
in Ireland.
Sir P. HEYGATE contended that the Ulster grants
were given for Protestant purposes, and if the right hon.
gentleman insisted on the confiscation of theta he would
leave a sting in the bill, which it would take years and
years to remove.
Mr. MACLURE energetically protested against the
Lords' amendments being agreed to.
Sergeant DOWSE said, representing an Ulster consti-
tuency, he must give his vote against the amendment of
the Lords. The effect of giving the Ulster globes would
be, practically, to leave the Church in Ireland as it at pre-
sent stands, excepting the tithes, which he, of course, kneNt
was a:great exception. He contended that the glebe lands
originally belonged to the first Irish noblemen, and when
they were first made over to the Protestant Church as
glebes they were given as Kings could only make pre-
sents viz., out of the pockets of other people.
(Laughter.) If they left the Ulster glebes the
Catholics would still look upon this as a stigma of
conquest and a badge of wrong. They had already given
£300,000 to the Protestants, but if they left them the
Ulster glebes, he would rather they left matters as they
at present stood. He felt quite certain there need be no
fear of the future of the Protestant Church in Ireland, and
if the measure upon which they were then engaged be-
came law, he believed that Ireland would become a more
efficient helpmate, and with Scotland matters would go on
most prosperously, for he was one of those who did not
not believe in the downfall of England. (Loud cheers.)
Sir S. NORTHCOTE contended that the great object
in the consideration of this bill should be the welfare of
Ireland, but by the course pursued by her Majesty's Go-
vernment and their supporters, it seemed to be their
desire to ascertain how great an injustice could
be perpetrated. He hoped the house would well consider
the proposal of the right hon. gentleman the First Lord
of the Treasury before it committed itself to sanction it
as a principle.
Mr. CHARLEY supported the amendments made by
the House of Lords.
On the proposition to disagree with the Lords' amend-
ment to retain the Ulster glebes, the house divided, the
numbers being, for the motion, 341, against it 240—majo-
rity for the Ministry, 104.
After a personal squabble between Mr. Bright, Mr.
Charley, and Lord J. Manners, the motion to appoint a
committee to draw up reasons for disagreeing with the
Lords' amendments was agreed to amid Ministerial cheers.
The members nominated on the committee were Mr.
Gladstone, the Chancellor of the Exchequer, Mr. Bright,
Mr. Cardwell, Mr. Bruce, Mr Chichester Fortescue, the
Attorney-General, Mr. W. E. Forster, and the Attorney-
General for Ireland.
The Telegraphs Bills was read a sacond time after a
short discussion.
The remaining business on the paper was rapidly gone
through, and the house adjourned.

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