The Sun.
London, England, 1860-05-10 00:00:00

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Among the civil service estimates lately issued
class 2 comprises the salaries and expenses of the
Public Departments. The amount is £1,413,503—
almost precisely the same charge as last vear. First
comes the demand for the Houses of Parliament,
£87,185, though this does not include the salaries
of the Speaker and Sergeant-at-Arms, both of
Nv lich are placed upon the surer basis of the Con-
solidated Fund. Next arc the Treasury and the
departments of the three Secretaries of State—
Home, Foreign, and Colonial, together £170,135, the
greatest demand being for the Foreign• office and the
Treasury. in consequence of their needing a large
and superior class of clerks. A group of °face of
somewhat less eminence follows—the Privy Coml.
eil -office, the Board of Trade, Lord Privy Seal, Pay-
master-General, and the office of the Controller of
the Exchequer (himself upon the Consolidated
Fund), together requiring £09,709, which is a slight
increase on last year's vote. There is also a little in-
crease in the staff of the Woods and Forests, which,
with the office of Works, requires £57,342. The Civil
Service Commission—quite a modern, but a most im-
portant department—will cost £5,976,and the Public
Records and State Paper-office £19,191, both of them
about the same as last year; the work of both offices
is before the public. As we proceed we come again
upon modern offices, for not a few have been created
or remodelled since the change in the Government
of the country which commenced with the Reform
Act, and the new departments are generally
distinguished by the laudable practice of making
an annual report of their proceedings. The Poor
Law Commissioners of the three kingdoms require
no less than £222,969 ; the travelling and inciden-
tal expenses of the inspectors amount to £4,000 in
Ireland and £B,OOO in England. The inspectors
and sub-inspectors of factories, mines, and collieries
have £21,140, but there are no less than 31 of these
functionaries; their allowances for travelling ex-
penses exceeds £5,000 a-year. The vote for the
Copyhold, Tithe, and Enclosure Commissions
amounts to £31,950, but nearly half of this appears •
to return in the shape of " imprest." The general
register officers and local registrars will require
zi:43,513, but that port:on of the charge which re-
lates to Ireland is devoted to a miserable fragment
of a register, owing to a religious difficulty. A
batch of Irish establishments—the Lord-Lieu-
tenant's household, the Chief Secretary and his
office, the Paymaster of Civil Services, the Inspec-
tors of Lunatic Asylums, and the Board of Public

Works are set dolin for £55,900. Several minor
offices follow, together taking L 100,279 the
Audit-office, Lunacy Commissioner Public Works
Loan Commission, West India Relief Commission,
the Mint, South Wales Roads, Friendly Societies
Register, and Scottish Exchequer Oflices, with
which last come items for her Majesty's Limner
and Historiographer, and for the Queen's "Plates"
to be run for at Edinburgh, and for the Archers and
Caledonian Hunt The secret service vote is
£32,000 as before ; but the demand for postage for
the public departments rises this year from
£106,750 to the large sum of £128,628. The only
other vote is for printing an& stationery, £335,285.
That eminent authority, Mr, M'Culloch, the con-
troller, calculates on a saving this year by the re-
peal of the paper duty of £12,000, or about half the
amount of the duty ; but on the future price of
paper he declines to speculate. This vote, we fear,
still covers too much waste. Two years ago a stop
was put to a practice in the English register-office
of giving away the quarterly reports, and sending
them post-free to every applicant, and they are now
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demanded by the departments. Most persons would
be puzzled if asked to give any fair reason or jus-
tification for the publication of many table of mi-
nute details in the " blue-books" of this session.

THEATEE-ROYAL, HAYMARKET.
Lessee, Mr. J. B. linekstone.

THIS EVENING, will be performed THE FAMILY
SECRET. Mcssrs. Chippendale, Howe, W. Farren, Villiers,
Buckstone, Mrs. B. White, Mrs. Fitzwilliam, Mrs. Wilkins,
and Miss Amy Sedgwick.
Followed by the Farce, entitled THE RIFLE, AND
HOW TO USE IT. Messrs. Buckstone, Compton, Rogers,
Mrs. B. White, 311'3. Wilkins, and Mrs. E. Fitzwilliam.
After which, a new fairy romance, THE PILGRIM OF
LOVE.

YAL PRINCE S S'S THEATRE.-
Lessee, Mr. A. Harris.

THIS EVENING, OTHELLO. Mr. Phelps.
To conclude with the extravaganza of THE SYLPHIDE.
Miss C. Leclerc% Miss Louise Keeley, Miss Helen Howard,
Miss Rose Leclercq, Mr. Shore, Mr. Saker, and Mr. Frank
Matthews,

Commence at 7.

ROYAL LYCEUM THEATRE.-
OPERA COMIQUE.

Under the management of M. LAURENT, Sen.
TO-31011 ROW EVENING, Auber's celebrated Opera "La
Part du Diable." Madame Faure, M. Achard. "Le Mariage
aux Lanternes," Opera Bouffe, Madame Salmson, Madame
Dans, 31. Geoffroy.

A DELPHI, NEW THEATRE-ROYAL.
Bole troprietor and Manager. Mr. Benj. Wibster.
Engagement of the celebrated American Actress, Miss
JULIA DALY, and Mr. LEIGH MURRAY.

THIS EVENING, TO PARENTS AND GUARDIANS.
Mr. Leigh Murray, J. L. Toole, C. Selby, Romer; Miss H.
Simms, K. Kelly, Laidlaw. and Mrs. Chatterley.
After which, OUR FEMALE AMERICAN COUSIN.
Messrs. Stuart, C. Selby, Billington, Eburne, Miss Julia
Daly, K. Kelly, Laidlaw, and Mrs. Chatterley.
To conclude with the Fairy Extraya,ganza, THE FAIR
ONE WITH THE GOLDEN' LOCKS. King, Lachrymoso,
Mr. J. L. Toole ; Count Pleniposo, Mr. P. Bedford ; Viscount
Verysoso, Mr. C. J. Smith ; Graceful, Miss K. Kelly ; Queen
Lucidora, Miss Emily Thorne ; Mollmopsa, Mrs. Billington.

Box-office open from 10 till 5.
Private boxes, £2 2s. ; Faintly Boxes, £l.
Orchestra Stalls, ss. ; Balcony, 4s. ; Front Circle Stalls, 3s. ;
Pit Stalls, 28.; Pit, 18. 6d. ; Amphitheatre, la ; Gallery, 6d.

Acting Manager—Mr. Wm. Smith.

ROYAL ST. JAMES'S THEATRE,
King-street, St. James's. Lessee, Mr. T. B. Chatter-
ton. Dirootrogc, mi.. Wndham. The nearest Theatre to
Chelsea, Pimlico, and Westminster, the Park being open to
Carriages and foot passengers all hours of the night.
THIS EVENING the performances will nommence with
a new and original comedy, entitled A FRIEND IN NEED.
le Robinson, C. Young, &c.
To be follow .2d by DIDO.

After which, A CHANGE OF SYSTEM.

Reduced Prices—Gallery, 6d ; Pit, Is. The Box-office open
from 11 to 5 daily. Doors open at half-past six ; perform
Knee commences at 7.

A STLEY'S ROYAL AMPHITHEATRE,
Proprietor, Mr. WM. BATTY.
Manager, Mr. EDWIN HUGHES.

Brilliant career of the GREAT MILITARY SPEC-
TACLE. Enthusiastic reception of the renowned Artistes
of the Cirque. Second week of the celebrated Delavanti
Troupe and of the extraordinarily gifted wonder of the age,
Little MENONI.

THIS EVENING, and during the Week,
To commence with the Great Military Spectacle, in Four
Acts, entitled " Tire HISTORY OF A FLAG," in Austria,
Etorpt, Russia, and France.
Full Military Band, real Camels. The entire stud of trained
Horses. The amusements supported by the most celebrated
Star Riders of the day. The novel and elegant arrangements
of the Arena are universally admired.
The magnificent Chandeliers manufactured by Messrs. De-
fries and Sons, Houndsditch.
Doors open at half-past 6. performance commence at 7.
Box-office open daily from 11 till 4.
Stage Manager—Mr. W. WEST.

CANTERBURY HALL CONCERTS.-
THIS EVENING.
C. H. GOIJNOD'S OPERA,
FAUST.
First Time in this Country.
Faust Mr. Henry Herbert.
Mephistopheles Mr. C. Bernard.
Siobel Mrs. Anderson.
Marguerite
Conductor Mr. Jonghmans.
And selections from
Dinorab, Trovatore, Macbeth, and numerous other
Entertainments.
Balcony, is Hall, Bd.
Comic Vocalists —Messrs. George Godson (the Irish Come-
dian and Mimic), and W. T. Critchfield.
The AFRICAN OPERA TROUPE, their first appearance
since 1852, consisting of ELEVEN STAR PERFORMERS,
who will give the whole of their inimitable entertainment
every evening.
The gallery is open from 5 till 11 on Sunday Evening.

THE WEATHER.—SUN OFFICE, MAY 10, 1860.
THERMOMETER, IN THE SHADE.
64—highest since noon yesterday.
45—lowest this morning and during the night.
64—this day at noon.

BAROMETER-29.93.
WIND, South-Westerly ; light, with dull rainy weather.

HIGH WATER AT LONDON BRIDGE.
THIS DAY.—Morning, sh. lm.—Afternoon, sh. 23m
To-moußow.-Morning, sh. 45m.—Afternoon, 6h. 10m

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THE SUN.
LONDON, THURSDAY, MAY 10, 1860.

The days are happily past on this side the At-
lantic when even the exclamation respecting ano-
ther gentleman's language,—and that from the
Treasury benches,—" it is not true "—is followed
by a request to name your second and to settle the
matter by powder and ball. A letter, intended
with your opponent's letter to see the light in a
newspaper, is the reasonable substitute; and it has
the merit of enabling the public who witnessed the
cause of the quarrel to form their own opinion,
with the additional advantage of being a little en-
tertainment for the gossip-loving world. The pen-
pugilism between Lords RUSSELL and GREY being
as interesting in its way as that of a coarser kind
between HEENAN and SAI ERS.

Our concern, however, is with the two Lords as
politicians ; and the development of what each
has been in regard to reform for the last twelve
years or more is but too clear for Earl GREY'S repu-
tation. The origin of the dispute was simple, and
the first mistake easily rectified. In a condensed re-
port of Lord GREY'S speech in the House of Lords, it
read as if Lord GREY had referred to a speech of
Lord JOHN in 1851, in reference to Mr. LOCKE
KING'S motion, and made the assertion respecting
it that Lord JOHN had proffered a Reform Bill
without consulting his colleagues. Mr. WALPOLE
♦ery fairly referred to Lord GREY'S speech for
Opposition purposes—but, on his quoting Lord
GREY'S assertion, Lord JOHN exclaimed before the
whole House of Commons, " I deny it !" Hardly
any man could put up with such a denial of the
truth of his assertions in public, but least of all
men could Lord GREY. A letter to " dear Lord
JOHN," therefore, promptly follows, in which it is
acknowledged that the report might lead Lord
JOHN to suppose he referred to the debate of 1851,
when, in fact, he was referring to a speech made by
him four or five years earlier. In the speech re-
ferred to Lord JOHN had declared, as the head of
Ate Government, in favour of Reform, without
having consulted any of his colleagues, or certainly
without having consulted the Cabinet.
Lord JOHN replies that he bad understood Lord
GREY to refer to the speech of 1851, which was
made after repeated Cabinet discussions, and there-
fore the contradiction of Lnrd GREY'S supposed
assertion falls to the ground.

A whimsical writer took occasion a few years
back, in Boz's weekly opuscu'e, then known as
Household Words, to describe the terror in which
he was perpetually living, somewhere down in the
country, lest some wandering party of Government
Commissioners should suddenly come " down upon
him" for the purpose of subjecting him (upon any
theme in the wide universe of things, it scarcely
mattered What) to a severe and rigid course of exa-
mination. And certainly, without any manner of
doubt, if we were desirous of characterising in a
single phrase the social aspect of the present time,
we should be disposed to describe it in one sentence
as an Age of Examinations. The Chinese have
for centuries subsisted from generation to genera-
tion in precisely this species of intellectual atmo
sphere. They have subjected all the male middle
class population almost from time immemorial to
the periodical and progressive tests of a scho-
lastic scrutiny the successful competitors for
the prizes in which have thereby won step by
step their way over the heads of their contempora-
ries. What the Chinese have been doing for ages
we have but just now seriously and systematically
commenced. We have raised here and there at the
beginning of the pathway set apart for almost every
profession certain little experimental triumphal
arches, as we may call them, that must perforce be
passed under by the candidates who are bent upon
struggling onward in quest of more or less distinc-
tion, each in his respective profession. The grand
trunk road from which all those several pathways
diverge, passing previously, however, over
the pons asinorum and through the old

But Lord GREY was not to be let off so easily.
He had sinned against his colleagues, he had sinned
against Reform,he had sinned of late years against
almost every liberal movement, and ►t was a good
occasion therefore for administering a little cutting
correction. Lord JOHN turns to Mansard, and
finds that in 184 S and 1849, in dealing with the
house and the Reformers of that exciting period,
his own speeches were what he still thinks delight-
fully Conservative. We suppose the inference is
meant to be, that he did not then commit his
colleagues in favour of Reform except in the most
Conservative sense. He does not, however, deny
what we should mot impute to him as a very grave
offence, that, wh ether his colleagues approved or
not, ho thought the Reform Bill susceptible of
improvement. His readings of liansard, how-
ever, of that xlate reminded him that he

BENSON'S WA TCHES. had then chivalrously defended Lord GREY
" Perfection of mechanism."--Morning Post. from the attacks of Lord BENTINCK against
Gold
Silver 2to 50 guineas. his colonial administration ; "it was his busi-
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tire of every construction of watch now made, with their ness and his delight, and he had little supposed
D rices.
Watches sent to all parts of the kingdomfree by post, or to that, at that time, Lord GREY was hoarding up
India and the Colonies for 58. extra. accusations to be used against him eleven or twelve
33 and 34, Ludgate-hill, London, E.C. Established 1749.
years afterwards in a place where he could not
reply. As to the opinions of colleagues, he him-
self had no recollection of what passed in the
Cabinet at that time, and should not disclose it, if
he had, without the QUEEN'S permission, which he
had not asked for, nor did he intend to ask for it."
The more relevant part of the general question
was, however, to be decided by reference to Lord
GREY'S OWlit language in 1852, when, being in
office, he justified Lord JOHN'S course from 1849 up
to the Reform Bill of 1852, which he was then de-
fending. Lord GREY says, in defence of himself
against his own speech of 1852, that " it is the duty
of a member of the Government when its acts are
attacked in Parliament, to state, as well as he can,
the reasons by which the Cabinet he belongs to has
been guided." This may be admitted to a
large extent; no committee or board could
long work together unless its members would
support each other, and perhaps enunciate
the arguments which had weighed with
the majority of their colleagues. But Lord GREY
went further than this—and was even obliged to
acknowledge he had done so—his only defence,
eight years afterwards, being, that " undoubtedly
it was not his intention to do so !" But his lan-
guage could hardly be regarded as. unintended.
After adverting to the Reform proposals of inde-
pendent members in the other House—to the weight
and influence of those who supported them—to Lord
Roux's, in consequence, acknowledging that the
time had come for some amendment of the old
Reform Bill—and to his referring to the loyalty of
the population in 1848 as a reason for the exten-
sion of the franchise. Lord GREY said—" My
noble friend expressed that opinion so far back
as 1849, and since that time has had to combat
various proposals made in the other House of Par-
liament for alterations in the Reform Act. But it
was my noble friend's opinion that, if in combating
these proposals for hasty and inconsiderate altera-
tions in the Reform Act, he had not expressed him-
self in favour of future improvements, he would
have shaken the foundations of that great settle-
ment of our constitutional rights. My noble friend,
therefore, said, and I think he was right, that he was
not averse to well-considered amendments. But
it was impossible that he could take this line
in combating those propositions, which he looked
upon as dangerous, without thereby contract-
ing pledges, which he considered it his duty
to fulfil at a proper time. I ask, can there be a
better time for redeeming them than the present?
Is not the very apathy of which the noble earl
speaks a sufficient reason for calmly approaching
the subject, and calmly considering what amend-
ments can be introduced ? Would that apathy
have existed if we had pronounced the Reform Bill
to be a final measure, and if he had said there were
no blots in it which we would attempt to get rid
of ? If he had taken that line, would there not have
been a very different disposition on the part of the
people of this country with regard to changes in
the Reform Act far less temperate than those now
proposed ? I
,firmly believe there would ; and I say
this because I think it is a justification of the line
which my noble friend has taken, and in which
HIS COLLEAGUES joined !"
Even if Lord JOHN did publish his ideas on ex-
tending the franchise rather sooner than some of
his colleagues liked, the public will now probably
think that Lord GREY had fully condoned that
offence by his own speech in 1852. If language
could convey personal, as distinguished from offi-
cial approval of a course, such language Lord GREY
assuredly held in regard to Lord JOHN'S bill of
that year. And, while we would not be considered
i as impeaching Lord GREY'S veracity, we could wish
- r . • to distrust his memory, and to hope that he at that
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time had not gone over altogether to the anti-
popular side. His sympathies with the people
were then, perhaps, in a state of ebb and flow—
and when he uttered this speech the popular tide
had flowed for the moment.
What Lord GREY has been of late years is
matter of sufficient notoriety. We had his own
deliberate opinion in a souxewhat pretentious
octavo a short time ago. We had occasion then to
notice with regret that the son of the principal
author of the Reform Bill had become openly
hostile to Reform. The book being in fact an
elaborate but most inconclusive treatise to show
that parties, as they are, are the perfection of con-
stitutional government, and that as further Reform
would lead to the formation of another and popular
party, it would prove the ruin of the constitution.
We must also confess that Lord JOHN does appear
in this controversy as the old and sincere Reformer.
A Reformer, of course, in a sense consis-
tent with the Conservative speeches of 1818,
containing opinions which, he says—" I held
then and which I hold now," but still the one
of the old " Happy Family," who always leaned
more than the rest to confiding in the people. That
is some praise—considerable praise. To cherish
any measure of trust in those of whom all around
him were afraid, is much in his favour. Had he
had, in his own order, congenial colleagues, it
shows that he would have done much more—per-
haps quite as much as was desirable. Even his
apostacy on the Ballot—the blot on his liberal
course—was, perhaps, due to the strength of temp-
tation more than to his own temperament. If so,
may the better man within him regain its former
ascendancy.