The Sun.
London, England, 1860-06-29 00:00:00

THE PAUPER MARY CARTER,

Mr. LANIGAN moved an address for copies of a letter
(and its enclosures) addressed by the Under Secretary of
State for the Home Department, on the 19th day of June,
1860, to two justices of chi St. Pancras division, respecting
the removal of Mary Carter from the parish of St. Pancras
to Ireland, and of the reply from the clerks to the said jus-
tices.—Ordered.
ORDERS OF REMOVAL.

Mr. WHALLEY moved for a return, mado up to 1,860,
showing the number of orders of removal from parishes,
signed by Justices, and executed in England and Wales (in
continuation of Parliamentary Paper, No. 436, of Session
1856).

FOREIGN AFFAIRS.

Sir It PEEL gave notice that, on the motion for adjourn

ment to-morrow, he would draw attention to the proposed
annexation of Sicily to Piedmont, and ask whether Govern-
ment would afford any information as to what might be the

demand of Franco in consequence thereof. He would also
ask whether any intimation had been convoyed to the Sar-
dinian Government that the unconstitutional policy pur-
sued by the King of Sardinia was viewed with disapproba-
tion by this country.
DESPATCH OF M. THOU VENEL.

Sir IL PEEL inquired of the noble lord the Secretary for
Foreign Affairs when the despatch of M. Thouvon2.l would
be submitted to the house.
Lord J. RUSSELL said that the despatch alluded to
would be laid on the table in the course of next week.
EUROPEAN FORCES (INDIA) BILL.

On the motion for the second reading of this bill,
Mr. A. MILLS said it was most desirable that the ques-
tion raised with respect to this subject should be settled
Tho matter at issue between those favourable aad those
opposed to this measure was whether Alley should continue
an ancient military machinery or not, and one that had
rendered essential service in moments of peril, and to
which this country was indebted for the dominion
of India, without providing any adequate substitute. The
abolition of this local military force, as proposed by
the bill, would have the effect of burdening the re-
venue of India with an annual impost of £200,000. It
should be recollected also that the mortality amongst
natives of this country was much greater during the
first five years of their residence in India than during sub-
sequent years, so that there was the strongest ground for
maintaining an acclimatised army. Having cited the
authority of several military writers in support of
his views, the hon. member proceeded to con-
tend that, on political grounds, the proposed alteration
was most inexpedient. They could not argue from
analogy in regard to India, because our relation with that
country was altogether different to those with other coun-
tries. lie admitted that a speedy settlement of this ques-
tion was of the first importance, and if he thought this bill
would have that effect he would abandon his oppo-
sition, but be denied that it would produce such a result.
lie considered this bill 'was a hasty and ill-considered 'at-
tempt to determine a question that, fora considerable time,
had occupied the attention of those best ac-
quainted with the subject without any satisfactPry
solution of the problem involved being obtained. Ile
repeated that the bill proposed to abolish ono system with-
out the slightest substitute, and that jt intended to violate
the rights and privileges guaranteed to the officers of the
Indian army by the 56th. 57th, and 58th sections of the
Indian Bill, passed in 1858. His firm c nviction was that
this bill would do far more injury than any good it could
possibly effect, and ho denounced it as a dangerous and
most unconstitutional measure. lie concluded by moving
that the bill be read a second time that day three months.
Sir T. COLE BROKE said that if this question was one
that merely affected the organisation of troops in India he
would not have taken an active part in this debate, not-
withstanding that he was in favour of the maintenance of

a local army in India. He considered, however, that the
matter at issue was far more important, and was intimately
connected with the financial position of India, as well
as with the Indian patronage of this country. It involved
further Parliamentary and political interests whose import-
ance could not be exaggerated. If the question was merely
whether they should have a force composed solely of
royal troops in India, he admitted that ho would be,
in favour of- such a proposition, but the measure did not
make any such proposition. He contended that, on the
ground of economy, it was most desirable to continue the
local force, because it' they adopted a different course they
would have to maintain their home garrisons in this country
to enable them to afford the necessary military reliefs to
India. He strongly objected to the increased patronage
which tbe measure would confer on the military adminis
tration. The bill in the outset proceeded on the principle
that it was necessary to maintain a European force of
80,000 men in India, in order to secure the tran-
quillity of that country, which was illustrated by
the recent mutiny of the native troops. Circumstances,
however, had led to that mutiny which were not likely
to occur again, as it was not to be supposed that.
this country would repeat the folly of confiding foo
largely to the local force, awl that there would
be an efficient number of garrisons of British troops
maintained in India. However, there was a large margin
between the force in the garrisons at the time of the mutiny
and that increase now proposed... Besides the advance
in militoy science, and the extension of railways in India
•, •
rendered unnecessary the maintenance of so large a force as
that proposed. As to the causes of the mutiny Lord Clyde
and Sir James Outram respectively stated that the
grossest exaggerations of facts hail been made ; under
those circumstances lie (Sir T. Colbroolre) thought the
house w•Jre entitled to sonic further information before
they proceeded further with the bill. Although it was ad-
mitted that the discipline of I hearoops of the heal force
was not, in some respect, equal to that of the troops of the
Fne, yet that was-an evil which could be remedied with-
out applying this extreme masure. The gallant
general who was about to succeed Lard Clyde brought
large and sweeping charges against the whole army
of India, both the local forces and those of the line, and was
very SONTIO both on officers and men ; but, admitting the
correctness of his allegations, it was not likely that any ef-
fective remedy could be obtained by the proposed change.
Sir 11. Rose made a candid confession, in the beginning el
his statement. that there would be a great deal of private
i uterest brought to bear with regard to the patronage in•
valved. There were four ditterent military systems, and
four different commands--the British, Bengal, Madras, and
Bombay. The difficulty was to unite all these armies under
one head. The events of the last few years showed the im-
possibility of uniting, under one head, all those forces. But
the experience of Sir Hugh Rose slowed what could be
done by a local force. He camatanded the Bombay column,
and with the assistance of that army he advanced from Boer-
tty into the territory of Bengal, and powerfully assisted in
npprossing the revolt in that part of the country. If with
i hese facts, so pa'ent to him, lie supported the proposal to
placr all the forces under one system, implicit reliance
should not be placed on his opinion. The evidence of ree,nt
events was quite opposed to such a proposal. Upen the
grounds he had stated he deprecated the change which the
Government proposed to make in the bill before the house.

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Mr. J. G. BARING said with reference to the charge
which had been made against the Secretary of State for
India, of his not having consulted the Council of India, he
would observe that, in the papers which had been laid be-
fore the house, they would find the opinions which were ex-
pressed by the members of the council on the subject .
question. He, therefore, regretted to hear what had been
sa id by an hon. member about the Council of India being a
me tkeiy. (Hear, hear.) When the opinions of the coun-
cilgiven it mattered not in-what way the opinions
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