The Sun.
London, England, 1860-08-04 00:00:00

Commence at 7.

DELPHI, NEW THEATRE-ROYAL.
Sole Proprietor and Manager, Mr. Beni. Webster.
THIS EVENING. THE HARVEST HOME. Messrs. J
L. Toole, P. Bedford, D. Fisher, Billington, Stuart, Eburne,
C. J. Smith, Powell, Romer ; Miss Woolgar, Miss H. Simms,
Miss K. Kelly, and Miss Laidlaw.
After which, OUR FEMALE AMERICAN COUSIN.
Messrs. Stuart, C. Selby, Billington, Eburne, Miss Julia
Daly, K. Kelly, Laidlaw, and Mrs. Billington.
Commence at 7.
Box-office open from 10 till 5.
Private boxes, £2 2s. ;4sily Boxes, 11.
Orchestra Stalls, ss. ; Balcony, ; Front Circle Stalls, Ss. •
Pit Stalls, 25.; Pit, Is. 6d. ; Amphitheatre, Ss ; Gallery, a
Acting Manager—Mr. Wm. Smith.

A STLEY'S ROYAL AMPHITHEATRE.-
A- Proprietor and Manager, Mr. WM. BATTY.
Entire Change.—Powerful Attraction.
This Evening., Lord Byron's splendid Hippo-drama of
MAZEPPA AND THE WILD HORSE, with entirely new
and beautiful scenery, costly costumes, and appointments,
introducing* the largest stud of ighly-trained Horses, Po-
nies, Buffaloes, and Camels in the h
World.
To be followed by Scenes in the Arena.
Doors open at half-past 6, performance commence at 7.
Box-office open daily from 11 till 4.
Stage Manager—Mr. W. WEST.
Director of the Arena—M. Felix Revolt!.

CANTERBURY HALL CONCERTS.—
THIS EVENING,
C. H. GOUNOD
UST. 'S OPERA.
FA
First Time in this Country.
Faust Mr. Henry Herbert.
Mephistopheles Mr. C. Bernard.
Siobel Mrs. Anderson.
Marguerite ..... Miss Russell.
Conductor..._..le!r. Jong,hmans.
And selections from
Dinorah, Trovatore, Macbeth, and numerous other
Entertainments.
Balcony, ls, ............ Hall. ad.
Comic Vooalisks —Messrs. George Hodson (the Irish Come-
dian and Mimic,: and C. Marshall.
The ETHIOPIANS, consisting of 17 performers (organised
expressly for this Establishment). for the performance of
Vocal and Instrumental Music, Comic anaddit ion to
Sentimo
ental, with
Negro delineations, anecdotes, &c., in the usual
entertainments.
The gallery is open from 5 till 11 on Sunday Evening.

T}Tl WEATHER.--SUN OFFICE, AUGUST 4, IS6O.
THERMOMETER, IN THE SHADE.
69—highest since noon yesterday.
56—lowest this morning and during the night.
69—this day at noon.
BAROMETER-29.62.
; rather fresh, with dull weather,
Some rain in the night and morning.

HIGH WATER AT LONDON BRIDGE.
This DAY.—Morning, 3h. 30m.—Afternoon, 3h. 45m,
To-MORROW.-Morning, 4h. Om.—Afternoon, 4h. 15m,

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THE SUN.
LONDON, SATURDAY, AUGUST 4, 1880.

In noticing Thursday's debate rather hastily
yesterday, we must confess we thought there was
more in it than a first glance would lead one to
suppose ; more, we mean, in the arguments which
were brought to bear against the main point in
the Government proposals—the fortification of our
dockyards. Perhaps, however, most speeches are
made for one reading rather than for two. Cer-

tainly any one who will be at the pains to review
the reasonings of Mr. LINDSAY, Mr. BERKELEY,
Mr. BRIGHT, and Mr. OSBORNE, will find nothing
fresh in argument, though he will find that the
three last-named gentlemen have furnished him as
much entertainment as could be looked for on such
a subject, even from their abilities.
Mr. LINDSAY'S chief point seemed to be, what
we may term the naval argument; or, if we look
to its maternity, the Athenian argument, in which,
of course, he was cordially backed by Sir CHARLES
NA PIER. Her "wooden walls " are England's
proper defence, as they were the ultima ratio
of Athenian defence ; and as Athens seemed
to have found her wooden walls sufficient, though
at that time she had no dockyard fortifications, or
if she had the Persian burnt them, so we too might
do without them. However, the old Grecian city
was wiser afterwards ; and the long walls and for-

tifications of her naval arsenal were the envy of her
great enemy, and the first thing demolished when
that enemy gained the upper hand. But the an-
swer of non-nautical men, and of many nautical
men, too, is complete. A fleet can no more do
without a home than a swallow live for ever on the
wing. And if that home can make itself the castle
of the shattered, or only the " weary ships," it
would certainly enable us to dispense with a second
fleet to guard those which need repose. Not only the
human enemies which our fleets must encounter,
but the fury of the elements itself, requires that we
should have our Alquora tuta ; and of them should
be said, what few of us have forgotten since the
days of our boyhood—
" Hic fessas non vincula naves
Ulla tenent ; unto non alligat anchora morsii."

What we may call the Spartan argument comes
nest; which Mr. H. BERKELEY, the seconder, very
aptly matched with the Athenian one of his
leader, Mr. LINDSAY. The hon. member for
Bristol looked back not to the priestess at Delphi,
but to LYCURGUS as his oracle ; he was for walls
of men—for living, flesh and blood walls. The
volunteers and raw recruits were made little ac-
count of ; but he could remind them of the feats of
raw recruits who had never even fired ball car-
tridge at Waterloo ; of volunteers turning vete-
rans out of America, and capturing a royal army
with BURGOYNE at its head ; and of volunteers
not to be despised in the Alps last year, nor this
year in Sicily. To all which, common sense
replies we grant it all. We would give far
greater encouragement than it has ever yet
received to the volunteer movement ; we would
cover the country with volunteers—but we praise
our volunteers, when we get them, more highly
than Mr. BERKELEY does. We think them far
too good to be made the " cannon meat" of another
NAPOLEON, or of any invader. We would
acknowledge their value by giving them first-rate
shelter to fire from, which should both double the
value of their efficiency, and more than double the
security of their -valuable lives. " Skulking be-
hind fortifications,” and „
cowards
pent up behind
stone walls," were, we believe,
someof the
ex_
pressions used. As well talk of besiegers skulk-
ing in zig-zags and behind their works. As if the
whole art of war did not consist in finding the
most efficient shelter, till the moment for a charge.
If we had a million volunteers our aim should still
be, were that
practicable, to destroy or capture a
hundred thouse gad invaders, without losing a single
One of our defel lders. That would be absolutely