The Sun.
London, England, 1860-07-17 00:00:00

THE SUN, LONDON,. TUESDAY EVENING, JULY 17, 1860.

POLICE INTELLIGI?IWE-( THIS DAY .)

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Mr. Tyrwhitt, lately magistrate at the Clerkenwcil
Police-court, took his seat to-day in this court, in the
place of Mr. Peregrine Bingham, resigned, after upwards
of 20 years' service as a metropolitan magistrate.
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MAKING AWAY WITH ARMY CLOTHING BY A WORK-
WOMAN.—BAD CASE.—Ann Walker, a tailoress, was
charged with converting to her own use the materials for
ten militia capes, of the value of £5, entrusted to her to
make up by Mr. John Raper, tailor of 14, Castle-street
Leicester-square.
The prosecutor said he was employed in making army
and police clothing, and on Thursday last he gave the pri-
soner the materials for ten militia capes to make up. She
should have brought them back on the following Saturday
night, but failed in doing so, and he could not find what
she had done with them. Ho foutd her in St. Jaraes's
Workhouse, where she told. him that she had brought him
back six, but had lost four ; but she had never been near
him since he gave her the materials.
In answer to Mr. Tyrwhitt, the prosecutor said she was
to receive 6d. each for the capes, and could make eight in
a day.

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Mr. Stephen Ranby, tailor, Little Newport-street, here
stated that he had also entrusted the prisoner with the
materials for some blouses of the value of £3, and she had
never brought them back, and would give no information
about them.

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Mr. Tyrwhitt said he should remand her that inquiries
might be made.

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I MPERIAL PARLIANI ENT

HOUSE OF LORDS-(YESTERDAY.)
SAVOY.

The Marquis of CLANRICARDE moved that an
humble address be presented to her Majesty, praying for a
copy of the letter addressed by the Foreign-office to the
Duke of Wellington in 1815, concerning the military fron-
tier of Savoy referred to in Lord John Russell's des-
patch to Lord Cowley of April 24. The noble
lord said he had for some time wished to
bring this subject under the notice of their lordships, and
in now availing himself of that opportunity, at the
outset he might say that none of their lordships
entertained a higher, value of the importance of
the alliance of France with England than he did,
because he looked upon the fact of a feeling .of amity
existing between two such powerful nations as a
guarantee for the peace of Europe. The noble
marquis then entered at some length into the
_question
of the military frontier of Savoy and the late annexations
to the French Empire, and contended that according to the
terms of the treaty of 181,5 those places were to be consi-
dered neutral, and he thought that there could be no cer-
tainty that these annexations would cease at Nice, but that,
on the contrary, they might possibly go on extending until
they reached Genoa. He thought the Government ought
to give the house all the information they possessed upon
the subject, because the course France was pursuing was
not, in his opinion, that of a great Power, which valued the
alliance of England, nor was it at all consistent with the
wish for the tranquillity of Europe. It was said that we
had become a military nation, and that we were thinking of
nothing but armaments and volunteers. Why was this ?
Were the estimates voted in Parliament peace estimates ?

He contended we could not be considered to be in a position
of peace. We were in a position of suspended hostility.
He, for one, wished to get out of that position, and there •
fore he thought it best to speak openly and honestly to the
French Government, so that practical assurances might be
given which would at once tranquilise the public mind. But
was our excitement on this subject unfounded, or were our
preparations unnecessary ? With reference to any invasion,
they were more or less unnecessary, because he felt perfectly
convinced that no invasion of this country would ever take
place. They talked of showing 25,000 or 30,001 volunteers

in arms, but what could that number do in case of an inva•

sion ? If there really was an invasion at any time they
would have millions of men able to yield a spade or to fire
their own fowling-pieces, and not bad soldiers into the bar-
gain, down on the coast within a few hours of the fi st land-
ing. However, there was not the most remote chance of any
prince in his senses ever attempting to invade this country;
but at the same time, looking at the general state of Europe,
we were quite justified in making these armaments and pre-
parations, and all he contended was, that such a state of
things was not peace but merely a state of suspended hosti-
lity.
Lord WODEHOUSE said there would be no difficulty
about the papers, but with respect to his noble friend's ob-
jection to going into the conference without a previous un-
derstanding, it should be borne in mind what were the cir-
cumstances which had induced the Government to consent
to a conference. Very singularly his noble friend had over-
looked the wishes of Switzerland herself inhis observations,
whereas it was at the request of Switzerland that her Ma-
jesty's Government had consented to berepreeented. (Hear.)
The Swiss could not only appeal to the general ques-
tion of European expediency, they had a right to a confer-
ence of the powers by the Aix-la-Chapelle protocol, and an
express stipulation of the treaty of Vienna. (The noble lord
here read the concluding clause of the treaty of Vienna,
which provided for Switserland an appeal to the powers in
the case of any violation of her territory, and proceeded)—
It appeared, then, that the Swiss were empowered to de-
mand a conference, and they had demanded it; and that
was the reason why her Majesty's Government were ready
to go hete the conference. With respect to previously at-
tempting to bind France to a certain policy, that would be
evidently begging the question, and going merely to regis-
ter decrees which had been already settled. Besides, to ask
for any stipulations would be a mistake, seeing that they
could have no stipulations stronger than the treaties actually
in existence. Now any one who looked at the map of
Europe would see that the present position of the Lake of
Geneva was exposed en both sides, whereas formerly it was
only exposed on one side. The argument used was that the
independence and neutrality of Switzerland were strength-
ened by the territorial possessions which had been secured
to her upon her frontiers. Neither he nor any one else could
affirm that by going into the conference they would not ob-
tain for Switzerland a complete and free discussion of the
question, and if there sheuld be no agreement come to
Switzerland would not be left in any worse position than
she was in now. (Hear.) He denied the conclusions to
to which his noble friend had come, and he would maintain
that they would not by their conduct ratify the treaty of
Turin. The French Government put the matter in this
point of view. They said the conference was required to
meet for the purpose of reconciling the 92d article of the
treaty of Vient a with the 2d article of the treaty of Turin.
Some people said that would be to narrow the basis of dis-
cussion ; but if those two documents were to be considered
they would open the whole question. He thought he had
explained some good reasons for going into the conference,
and he did not see those dangers a-head which his noble
friend had pointed out. His noble friend had spoken at
some length about the disquieted state of Europe, and also
the state of this country, and said that he (the Marquis of
Clanricarde) thought it would be increased by a conference.
But he (Lord Wodehouse) considered that if such changes
were to take place between France and Sardinia as had been
made by this treaty, without die cussion between the powers
of Europe who signed the treaty of Vienna, the disquiet of
Europe would be increased. Persons would naturally say
there had been one change, and thepowers of Europe had not
taken any steps with regard to it, and therefore other changes
might take place with the same result. He did not mean
to say, supposing a conference to meet and separate with-
out obtaining any such result as wished for, that that would
be a satisfactory or favourable position for the question to
be left in. Bat what he said was, that not going into a
conference would be dangerous and impolitic and unsafe,
and it would be to disregard the views of Switzerland if they
refused to enter into a conference. His noble friend had
alluded to the understanding which existed before the late
war, and he traced thence the course of events which had
suddenly followed, but it was not for him to praise the
despatches of his noble friend, under whom he was happy
to serve, though he was glad the view which he had adopted
had been approved. His noble friend the Secretary for
Foreign Affairs bad shown in the despatches that he was
fully sensible of the importance and gravity of this ques-
tion, and that he felt the importance of maintaining the
territorial possessions of Switzerland. His neble Wend also
felt what a serious inroad had been made in, the territorial
arrangements of Europe. It world be useless to discuss the
motives of those who had taken part in these matters. But
one thing was perfectly certain, that the treaties which had
been concluded, and by which Savoy had been conceded to
France, had ;seriously affected eel altered the position of
Switzerland, and had greetkS clkPeinialeed the safety of that
country, and 14 given a precedent of a dangerous and un-
setieketoey charecte.e tq Europe. (Hear, hear.)
The Marquis of NORMANBY said lAa agreed that some
attention ought to be paid to the wishes of Switzerland,
who had invited this eonference, but he did not agree
with his noble friend that the position of Switzerland was
worse than it had been before as regarded Europe. On the
contrary, the gallant stand which she had made had raised
her in the eetireetien of Europe. He would not dispute
tho eneeenitenes which bad been expressed in reference to the
noble lard the Seeretary for Foreign Aeair's despatches,
but lee thought they all strewed to this moment no settled
plan of action--they had not carried conviction to the minds
of any of these parties to whom they had been sent. He
thought that with regard to the south side of the Lake of
cieneve there had been something unreasonable in the
alarm directed to that part of Switzerland, but after the
discussion in conference they would be better able to meet
the difficulties of the ease. He was not one who believel
that any form of government ought to be changed by a sud-
den ebullition of popular feeling, At the same time he did
not think, with noble lords opposite, that universal suf-
frage should only be adopted as against existing sovereigns
in Italy, and not in the case in Piedmont. He believed,
with his noble friend, that the King of Sardinia was quite
as blameable as any one else, and one of the despatches of
the noble lord at the head of the Foreign-office stated that
the transfer of Savoy to France was a blot on the escutcheon
of Sardinia. (Hear, hear.) The noble marquis then re-
ferred to the dates of despatches in the blue-book, and
stated that they were not accurate; as for instance, a de•
spatch dated the 6th on February, from Lord Cowley, was
not received before the Bth of February, In one of the
early despatches received from Count Cavan; he declared
that Sardinia would not sell, hatter, oe exchange any part
of her territory, and yet at that moment she had signed a
paper for the trensfel, of Savoy, and it was also said that no
engagement whatever existed between France and Sar-
dinia, 4114 that the latter had had no intention of selling or
eecnaaging Savoy, but that if the people had any grievance
they possessed the constitutional right of petitioning the
parliament of Turin, and their petitions would be con-
sidered. He wanted to know how it =we about that the
despatch containing such inapoetant information was three
days on the road, instead of only 24 hours.
Earl GitANVILLE explained that the first information
be gave their lordships in reference to this subject the Go-
vernment received by telegram.
Lord WO REHOUSE said that Lord Cowley sometimes
dated his despatches a day or two before sending them ; and
further, A messenger was not sent over every day.
The Marquis. of NORMANBY continued—He did not
remember a similar instance of delay, and it was strange it
should happen on suoh an important occasion. He fully
believed that the motion which was discussed in their lord-
ships' house in February would have bean carried if all the
despatches had then been placed on the table. He hoped
the noble lord at the head of the Foreign-office would not
take the course which ho had expressed in his despatch of
the 15th of May, because he believed that he would not be
supported by any other European power. The noble mare
quis, as usual, spoke in such a low tone as not to be very
distinctly heard in the gallery.

Yiscount STRATFORD DE REDCLIFFE said he was
glad the motion had been accepted by the Government as
ooncession to the very moderate and reasonable Brea. of