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London, England, 1860-07-25 00:00:00

THE SUN, LONDON, WEDNESDAY EVENINO, JULY 25, 1880.

(Business done

GUNPOWDER, &c., BILL

LEY ELECTRIC TELEGRAPH.
LATEST BETTING.
GOODWOOD STAKES.
7to 2 agst Stiteßite (offered)
sto 1 agst Gridiron (taken)
7to 1 agst Tocher (taken)
14 to 1 agst Wallace (taken)
100 to 6 agst Riseber (taken)
Ratt]ebone scratched last night for all engagements here.

lAI P ERI AL PARLIAMENT,

HOUSE OF COMMONS.--(TEas DAY.),
The SPEAKER took the chair at ten minutes after 12
o'clock.

CORONERS' BILL.
On the motion of Sir G. LEWIS the order for the second
reading of this bill was discharged, and the bill was with-
drawn.

On the motion for going into'comMittee en this bill,
Mr. LIDDELL asked the Home Secretary, who had
charge of the bill, whether it would be practicable to post-
pone it until the manufacturers, whose interests its provi-
sions materially affected, had time to consider the different
clauses.

Sir G. LEWIS said that any further postponement
would be equivalent to abandoning the bill this session,
considering this the last day on:which the Lords would
receive bills from the house. He bad been in communica-
tion with those persons who were interested in this branch
of manufacture, and had modified the bill in accordance
with the views they had expressed. The bill had been
reprinted some days, but it had been kept in order to
meet the wishes of the trade. If the house would consent
to pass the clauses, he would on the bringing up of the report
introduce alterations, in order to render this bill suitable to
the wishes of the parties chiefly interested.
The house then went into committee, and clause 1 with
some amendments was agreed to. The remaining clauses
were also agreed to, and the house resumed.
ECCLESIASTICAL COMMISSION, &c., BILL.
On the order of the day for going into committee on this
bill,

Sir G. LEWIS said at the late stage of the session of
Parliament, and with a view to prevent further objection
to the bill, he would withdraw clauses 6,7, 8,9, and 11,
which referred to the management of the chapter property,
and also clauses 17 to 19.

Mr. SELWYN inquired of the right hon. baronet if he
would consent to withdraw clause 36.
Sir G. LEWIS answered in the affirmative.
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Lord J. MANNERS said that on both sides of the house
great dissatisfaction was expressed with respect to the
management of the Ecclesiastical Commission, and he
strongly objected to conferring on that irresponsible body
more extensive powers than even they already possessed, or
giving them perpetuity. He hoped the right hon. baronet
would also withdraw clauses 5, 15, and 16, which proposed
to transfer eventually to the commission sitting in White-
hall, the sole management of the episcopal and
capital or property of the country. If his suggestions were
not acceded to he would feel himself called upon to offer
every possible impediment to the progress of this measure.
(Hear, hear.)

Alderman'COPELAND objected to the commission on
the ground of the expense of its management, which re-
quired a cost of £171,000 in distributing a fund of
£8,110,000.

Mr E. JAMES said that, notwithstanding the tempta-
tion of Government to pass one bill this session—(laughter)
—he hoped they would not proceed with the present mea-
sure. To show the mismanagement of the Commission he
referred to the parish of St. Pancras, where the greatest
spiritual destitution prevailed. The ecclesiastical commis-
sion has been appealed to by the rector for assistance to-
wards building a church, and they advanced £3O towards
the purchase of ground, which they afterwards sold for
£46,000 to the railway company. If this bill pissed that
large amount would go into a common fund, and would be
lost to the parish.
Mr. AYRTON considered they should go into committee,
as the means best calculated to remove the evils complained
of with regard to the commission.
After a few words from Mr. Mows SAY and Mr. RIDLEY,
Mr. WALPOLE strongly advocated the house going
into committee, and supported the bill in its general
object, as being based on the report of a select committee.
The house then went into committee, and clauses 1 to 4
were agreed to.
On clause 5,

Sir G. LEWIS said that the noble lord opposite (Lord
J. Manners) said it was not his intention to force it on the
committee. He would state its nature, and then leave it
to the house to decide whether they would reject or re-
tain it. By that clause it was enacted that, on the
voidance of any see, the ecclesiastical commission in
possession of the estates of the late bishop should
produce a larger income than that fixed by law, end
they might make arrangements to reduce it to that amount.
He hoped the committee would agree to the clause, but it
was not essential to the bill.

Lord J. MANNERS opposed the clause, the effect of
which, he contended, would be to induce bishops to
abstain from making improvements in order to
avoid the imputation of having been in receipt of more than
they should have possessed, while, on the other hand, they
might be subjected to another imputation, that of having
been negligent of the interests of their successors.
[LEFT SITTING.]