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METROPOLITAN BOARD OF WORKS
(This Day).

THE SEWERAGE QUESTION.

A special meeting of the Metropolitan Board of
Works was held this afternoon in the Council Chamber,
Mr. Thwaites in the chair, to "consider the Report of
the Engineer of the Board on the whole question of the
Northern and Southern Drainage, with comparative
estimates of different points of outfall, and modes of dis-
posing of the sewage."
Mr. NICHOLAY presented a memorial signed by 74 of
the inhabitants of the southern division of Essex, and
representing 250,000 acres of land, or an extent of 400
square miles, in favour of the scheme of Mr. M'Lean
for making the sewerage available for agricultural pur-
poses, and not pollute the river with it.
A memorial was received from Mr. Morewood, of
Islington, in support of his plan for the Main Intercept-
ing Drainage of the Metropolis, but a motion that he
be heard in support of his plan was lost by a majority
of 18 to 10.

Mr. lows asked to be allowed to withdraw bis
motion, " that the outfall of the drainage works be at
Sea Reach," which was objected to by the meeting.
Mr. lows then declined to proceed, and
Mr. WRIGHT moved the adoption of the resolution.
Mr. DALTON seconded the motion.

Mr. Hows rose to explain his conduct, when

Mr. LESLIE rose to order. The motion was too in-
definite. It did not state which side of the river the
outfall should be.

The CHAIRMAN said the meeting could afterwards
decide that question if they agreed that the outfall
should be at Sea Reach.

Mr. Hows said that eventually Sea Reach must be
the limit of their operations, and he urged its adop-
tion now as being the best and cheapest course for the
board to adopt. His only wish to postpone the mo-
tion was that every other project should be first dis-
cussed. He considered it unfair for London to get
rid of that that was a nuisance to London, pollute
the Thames, and lay that nuisance at the doors of
their nearest neighbour. If they carried the sewers to
Sea Reach, he felt satisfied the agriculturists in its
neighbourhood would pay the board a good price to tap
the sewer and use its contents for manure, but be bad
no wish to rest the motion on that, but the necessity
there was to carry the sewerage to Sea Reach.

Mr. DoULTON said the course now proposed was un-
precedented in their proceedings, viz., the objection of
the board to allow a member to withdraw his motion.
The object was no doubt to allow members present to
come to a decision at once on the motion. (Hear,
hear.) No valid arguments had been brought forward
in opposition to the outfail being at Sea Reach, except.
ing as,regards the costs. (Hear, hear.) His objection
to the outtall above Sea Reach was the necessity of re-
servoirs, whereas there would be a convenient discharge
at all hours of the tide at Sea Reach. He defended the
course he had pursued on this question, which was to
endeavour to effectually carry out the object they had in
view. (The hon. gentleman referred to some remarks
of a personal character made on him on a former oc-
casion by Mr. H. L. Taylor, which caused the
latter to rise to order. The chairman then inflicted
a very just rebuke on all the members relative to their
dealing in personalities, which he said caused ill-feelings
and an opportunity was watched to retaliate.) The
work they had in hand should be done thoroughly. He
thought it would have been better had the motion been
postponed until a decision had been come to on a motion
on the paper by Mr. D'lffanger.
Mr. SNOW moved that the motion should not be put.
Mr. WARE seconded it.

The amendment was lost by a majority of 19 to 15.
Mr. LESLIE said that the cost of going to Sea Reach
by Mr. Bazelgette's plans would be 4,718,400/. (Hear,
hear.) The question for the board to consider
was the best outfall, and after that, if Sea
Reach was so--as he believed it was—to seriously
consider whether they could not get there as effectively
and at a cheaper rate than that proposed by the en-
gineer. The object of the motion was to burke the eon-
sideration of this outfall, and say that it should not be at
Sea-Reach, not even if it could be shown a saving of two
millions could be effected in the route taken. (Hear,
hear.) That saving in the expense might be effected
by their taking the outlet at Sea Reach on the Surrey
and Kent side, instead of on the other, as proposed
by the engineer. Such a plan would relieve the
Thames of the sewage of the intermediate towns.
Their existence as a board depended on their deci,ion
on this motion, viz , whether they were the
representatives of rate-payers or a small section of
the board. He condemned the meeting of a private
committee in that room one hour before the time of
meeting to devise operations and entrap votes against
having an outlet at Sea Reach. Such conduct, he said,
was disgraceful, and he protested against it.
The CHAIRMAN said he knew nothing of such a com-
mittee, nor did the officials.
Mr. Howe—l admit it.

Mr. LESLIE urged on the board not to come to
a vote on the motion haAily, for they might ulti-
mately have to go against their will. He hoped
the Board would affirm the motion.

Mr. CARPHAEL said that he was still of opinion that
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Mr. BRISTOW did not wish to exclude the Board from
taking advantage of an outfall at Sea Reach, and he
moved an amendment that the board do not approve of
the 4th plan of the engineer, with reference to this out-
fall. The hon. gentleman characterised the plan as one
of the engineer s.
The CHAIRMAN said it bad been attributed to him, and
he took that opportunity
Of stating it was not, but
that it was the engineer's.
(engineer) Mr. BAZELGETTE said that the outfall at
Sea Reach did not originate with him, but was the sug-
gestion of a member of the board. He thought it de-
sirable to provide a plan, in consequence, for the infor-
mation of the board. There were great difficulties attend.
ing its execution, but be was prepared to stand by his plan
in an engineering point of view, and that the estimate of the
cost was as economical as possible.
Mr. BRISTOW then pressed his amendment.
Mr. WILKINSON seconded it, but
The CHAIRMAN ruled it was out of order.
Mr. Wrrucursorr said he should oppose the motion.
Mr. LESLIE then moved an amendment that " the out-
fall be not at Sea Reach at the point indicated in the
4th plan marked D.
The CHAIRMAN ruled that was out of order.
Mr. SEELEY moved that the outfall should be at
Sea Reach at the point indicated on the 4th plan. He
moved it to vote against it.
Mr. WILKINSON seconded the amendment on the same
ground.
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Mr. D'IFPANGER moved—
" That this hoard are prepared to adopt a. plan for the
discharge of the sewage of London east Of Gravesend,
provided they are successful in obtaining such a contribu-
tion as may hereafter be agreed upon, towards the cost of
the extension of the work beyond their jurisdiction, from
sources independent of those raised within the metropo-
litan area."
If Government refused this aid, the board would stand
better in the estimation of the ratepayers. lie saw
gentlemen had made up their minds and were determined
to negative everything but one plan. (lieu, hear.)
lie believed that at present the board were acting in the
wrong.

Mr. BRISTOW seconded the motion. It was the
natural right of the metropoli3 to drain into the Thames
.....(hear)--but that right had been taken away by the
pressure of an overgrown population, and an act of Par-
lament, which paid that the entire Pevrerage of the me•

tropolis should be taken at a distance from the metropo-
lis, so that it should not be detrimental to health. The
motion did not pledge the board to anything, and
did not interfere with the feelings of the board not
' to take the sewerage further from the metropolis than
I they were obliged to. (Hear, hear.) The board no
doubt thought it too expensive and too far to convey it
beyond the limits required by the Act of Parliament and
40 to Sea Reach, unless a contribution was made to-
wards the expense.
Mr. Der uty HARRISON said the board would take the
sewage below the limits of the metropolis, but not fur-
ther, without assistance ; but ho objected to the motion
because it pledged the board to take the sewage
beyond the limit required by the act. He de-
fended the holding a meeting of the members
')efore the regular hour of business, on the ground
that it was necessary to organise something like action
after such a lengthened period of inactivity, and he
hoped to be supported in a proposition he should ulti-
mately make to the meeting. He also objected to their
going to Sea Reach, because it would prevent them
hereafter deodorising and utilitising the sewage of the
metropolis. Tie suggested that the outfall should be
within 14 or 15 miles from London-bridge, and that it
be referred to the engineer to propose a plan and esti-
mate for carrying it out. The hon. deputy then read
several resolutions he should put as an amendment to
the motion before the board, to the effect that the out-
fall should be between 14 and 15 miles from London-
bridge, being at a distance of between two and three
miles from the boundary of the metropolis on the.
south side of the river, and of between eight
and nine miles from the boundaries of the
metropolis on the north side, and that it be referred to
the engineer to prepare plans and estimates accordingly.
That the plan before the board be adopted and pre-
sented to the chief Commissioner, and that it be intima-
ted to him that the board has had under its considera-
tion other plans for discharging the sewage into the
river below Gravesend, but that as it would cost the in-
habitants of the metropolis between one and two mil-
lions, without any corresponding benefit to meet the
wishes of the people of Kent and Essex who reside on
the banks of the river, the board declined to entertain
such schemes unless the Government rendered assistance.
That the Chief Commissioner be also informed that the
board had had under its consideration divers proposals
for deodorising the sewage so as to ;render it
perfectly innoxious to the River Thames, but as that
class of operation did not appear to have been devolved
on the board by the act of Parliament, the board
therefore declined to enter into such a scheme.
Mr. WRIGHT moved the previous question, which was
carried by a large majority.
Mr. LEsraig moved—

" That it is neither the duty, nor is it expedient that
this board should embarrass itself with deodorizing or
sewage manure schemes, but, on the contrary, to proceed
under the clear, intelligible, and imperative law laid down
in the 13ith section of the Metropolis Local Management
Act, viz., ' And such board shall make such sewers and
works as they may think necessary for preventing all or
,ny part of the sewage within the metropolis from flowing
or passing into the River Thames in or near the metropolis,
and shall cause such sewers and works to be completed on
or before the 3 kst of December, 1860: "

Re recollected the old Commission of Sewers trying
the sewage manure scheme. They expended 8001., and
the surplus returns in wheat, oats, hay and other agri•
cultural crops was 17s. 10d.—whicb, by the bye, they
never got.
After some discussion,
Mr. WRIGHT moved that the question be not put,
which was carried. _

Mr. CORRIE moved to revoke the resolution of the

board of 6th October, 1856, by whic1;;;"noti;;:
" That the engineer's report, so far as it relates to the
ntfall at B on the plan, be adopted," was negatived.
the general impression out of doors was that the
Board of Works had as yet done nothing, and which
they had confirmed by their votes that day. By agree-
ing to his motion the board showed they had done some-
thing. The outfall he proposed at Erith marshes was
below the limits of the metropolis. The feeling that
should pervade the Board should be to discharge
their duties at the least possible expense. Where
he proposed to have the outlet would not,
he was certain, be a nuisance to any of the
villages and towns on the banks of the Thames.
Ile great argument against going to Sea Reach was,

that it would be throwing away more money than was
necessary. If a work of that magnitude was necessary,
let ethers join in the expense with the inhabitants of the
metropolis. By adopting his motion the object of the
act of Parliament would be attained.
Mr. BIDGOOD seconded the motion.

After some farther discussion,

Mr. DOULTON said they had something to do besides
carrying the sewage beyond the limits of the metro-
polis, ♦iz., their duty,' that of effectually draining the
metropolis. The act stated that the discharge should be
at a point where the discharge could not flow within the
limits of the metropolis, and the engineer, in his report,
stated that it must flow within the limits of the metro-
polis certain periods in every month. He opposed the
motion.

After some discussion,
Mr. Conno, in reply, said that Sir B. Hall rejected
the first plan, because the outlet was within the limits
of the metropolis, and not because a certain amount of
sewage would reflow within the limits of the metro
polls certain days of each month.
The motion wasiagreed to by a majority of 25 to 10.
Mr. WILKINSON moved—
" That it be referred to the engineer to modal; his plans
for the drainage of the metropolis in the two following
particulars: On the south side-,---By providing the neees•
awry works for deodorising the sewage, removing
the solid residuum, and discharging the deodorised
water into the Thames, at such spot near the Dept-
ford Creek as he may. think most expedient.
On the 'north side, by providing, in lieu of the extension
lines and reservoirs below the River Lea, the necessary
works for deodorising the sewage, and for removing the
solid residium and discharging the deordorised water into
the Thames, at such spot near the proposed pumping sta-
tion on the River Lea as he may think most expedient,
and that he furnish estimates for such deodorising works."
Mr. CRELLIN seconded the motion.

Mr. Deputy HARRISON moved an amendment to the
effect that the plan B (Erith Marshes) be adopted, and
presented to the Chief Commissioner, with an intimation
that the board had had other plans under cmsideration
for the discharge of the sewage below Gravesend,
which would add one or two millions to the outlay,
not for the benefit of the metropolis but to meet
the wishes of the inhabitants of Kent and
Essex, residing on the banks of the river ; but that, if
the Government would provide the additional expense,
the B ,ard would under ake the works.
Mr. CARPMAEL seconded the amendment.

After some diseuQiiion the amendment was carried by
a majority of 24 to 7.

The original question to " farther consider the report
of the engineer of the board on the whole question of
the northern and southern drainage, with comparative
estimates of different points of outfall, and modes of dis•
posing of the sewage," still remains in abeyance.
The business of the board shortly after terminated.

The Earl of Cardigan, after completing his tour of in-
spections, as Inspector-General of Cavalry, goes to Dean
Park, Northamptonshire, to receive a succession of dis-
tinguished guests.

The long-expected monster bell, to be placed in the
Clock Tower of the New Palace at Westminster, has at
last arrived at its destination, uninjured. It is now
being raised from the billy-buoy moored by the side of
Westminster-bridge, and will shortly be placed on a
temporary erection in order to test it before its being
filially placed.

The Gazette d'Aix-la-Cltapelle announces that M. Felix
Pyat, who was lately arrested in that city for making
use of a false name in a passport, has been sentenced
by the tribunal of police of Aix-la-Chapelle to four weeks'
imprisonment.

A petition for the dissolution of the Justice Assurance
Society is expected to be heard before Vice• Chancellor
Kindersley on the 3d November.

According to a telegraphic message received from
Odessa, dated the 20th October (new style), the expor-
tation of corn from C-Iheislc--a port opposite Taganrog,
on the eastern side of the Sea of Az,ff—has been protn-
lilted. It is also alleged that an expectation prevailed
that the prohibition will be extended to all the ports in
the Sea of Azoff and Black Sea, in consequence of the
scarcity and high prices of provisions.
Amongst the notices of marriage posted up at the
mairie of the first arrondissement of Paris is that of M.
Emile de Girardin with Mlle. Wilhelmina Brunold,
Countess de Tiefenbach, daughter of Jean Brunold, de-
ceased, and Anna, Countess de Tiefenbach, widow by a
second marriage of Prince Frederick of Nassau.
The Journal de ,St. Petersburg of the 12th publishes
the programme of the solemn entry of the Emperor and
Empress of Russia into that city, after the coronation ;
it is the same as that which was adopted at Moscow.
A letter received from Berlin of the 10th announces
the arrival in that city of General de Kisseleff, the Rus-
sian ambassador at Paris. It says also that the Grand
Duchess Constantine of Russia intends to leave St
Petersburg on the 20th to make a tour in part of Ger-
many.

Sir John Stewart, Bart., of Ballygawley-house, county
Tyrone, late of the Inniskilliug Dragoons, and a survi-
vor of the Crimean campaign, is shortly to lead to the
hymeneal altar the eldest daughter of George Powell
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of Kilmanock-house,
2l)lct'T'luchigeelinetD•oni:mond returned to Corfu on the 2d, having
been absent five weeks in the GrueltfuaornnfdeCdwoanisnctahilwedithuptiolne
did not anewec to his
Lord High Commissioner of the lonian Isblyes
and suite, to visit the interesting places on. the borders
of the gulf.
THE CHARGE AGXINST STOWELL.—Yesterday at the
billswtha ey . informer,w
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JtSouu rrpyr: against e:airirii c3stlt: Sue cLuotswr:e4leil
i recognisances, they were estreated, and returned by the
Clerk of the Peace to the Sheriff.
CRIME IN WlLTS.—Notwith,tanding that there has
been a treat inereaae in the population during the past
15 years, there has been a very great diminution in the
number of offences committed. The total of offences in
1841 was 1,133, cost to the county, 4,3421. is. Bd. In
1856, 601 ; c°st to the country, 2,4741. 15s. 4d.—
IlTil tc Standard.
THE RIGHT MAN.—The man who was "struck with
astonishment," without resisting it, has been sent to the
nut peace convention.