The Sun.
London, England, 1856-05-27 00:00:00

THE INDIAN CIVIL SERVICE.

The Earl of ALBEMARLE rose, to move for a re-
turn showing the yearly amount of all salaries paid to
the covenanted civil servants of the Hon. East India
Company under the several Governments of Bengal, the
North-Western Provinces, Madras, Bombay, and the
Straits Settlements, distinguishing each, together with
the number of persons under each of the above
Governments receiving such salaries in the re-
spective years 1820, 1830, 1840, 1850, andd, the
latest year for which the return can be furnished :
a return showing the yearly amount of all pensions paid
in England or India tosthe covenanted civil servants of
the Hon. East India Company under the several Go-
vernments of Bengal, the North-Western Provinces,
Madras, Bombay, and the Straits Settlements, distin•
guiehing pensions of 1,000/. a-year from those of a lesser
amount, in the respective years of 1820, 1830, 1840,
1850, and the latest year for which the same can be
furnished : a return shew:ne, the yearly amount of all
Marie•: paid to tee uncovenanted civil servants of
the Honourable East India Company, together with
the number of persens receiving such salaries, in the first
year of the estabii'-hment of such civil uncovenanted
,ervice, for the last year for which the same can be fur-
nished : a ret, rn shoving the amount of pensions of un-
covenanted civil servants, and the number of persons
drawing the same for the years 1840, 1850, and the
latest year for which the same can he furnished : a re-
turn showing the amount of all civil salaries paid to
military officers, and the number of persons receving
such salaries for the respective years 1844 and 1854 :
a return showing the number of native of India, being
Mahomedans or Hindoos, in the civil service of the Hon
East India Company, drawing salaries of 5,000 rupees a
year or upwards, together with the sum total of such sa-
laries fir the respective years 1844 and 1854 : a return
showing the amount of absentee allowances paid to the
covenanted civil servants of the Hon. East India Cvm•
pang in the respective yens 1820, 1830, 1840, 1850, and
the latest year for which the same can be furnished :
a return showing the amount of the annuities of the
Madras civil fund of the year 1818, and the number of
persons receiving, such annuities for the respective years
1820, 1830, 1840, 1850, and the latest years for which
the same can bo furnished : copies of all minutes of
Council, documents, and correspondence between the
Governor-General and Court of Directors, as well as
between the several Governments of India among them-
selves or their subordinate officers, which led to the
establishment of pensions and absentee allowances
of the covenanted civil service of the Hon.. East
India Company ; and also to call the attention of the
house to the recommendation of the Madras Torture
Commissioners, that a greater number of European
dictionaries should be employed in the civil service
with the view to the suppression of torture ; and to sub- '
mit to the judgment of the house whether an efficient
European civil agency be compatible with the present
lcvish remuneration of civil services in India, consider-
ing the deficient and falling condition of the revenues of
that country and the proved poverty of its people.
Eel.' GRANVILLE said that her Majesty's Govern-
ment were always ready to give every facility for inquir-
ing into the finances and condition of India, but he
begged the house to consider th© great inconvenience
which would be given to the departments if these enor-
mous returns were ordered. The Government were
bound to exercise a wise discretion, and not to over-
whelm Parliament with printed documents not absolutely
necessary for its information. His noble friend bad al-
ready moved for several returns, which would take a long
time to prepare. Indeed he was told that those already
ordered would require the labour of the whole ferce of
the establishment for months to coma. The noble earl
had avowed his opinion that it was hopeless to attempt
to make the ends of Indian finance meet, and considering
the great inc invenience which would result to the depart-
ments he hoped the motion t. .r the returns would not be
pressed. He suggested that the better course for the
noble earl to take would be to withdraw the motion and
to put himself in communication with the department
of the Board of Control for the purpose of obtaining the
information he desired.

"promissory notes.,,
Mr. MALINS thought the word "contract" would
be better than " order."
The amendment was agreed to.
Mr. BROWN moved that the word "letters" should
be inserted after the word "invoice."
Mr. MOFFATT opposed the amendment. If it were
adopted every scrap of paper might be tortured into a
" letter," and thus ureat inconvenience would result to
joint-stock cornoanies without any benefit to the public.
Mr. MALINS concurred with the bons, gentleman
who had last addressed the committee. The word " let-
ters" would impose a difficulty without giving an advan-
tage. No official of the company could write a letter if
this amendment were adopted without exposing the com-
pany to inconvenie..tee.
Mr. WALPOLE thought that persons, abroad or at
home, should know when they were dealing with a corn•
pany, and when with an individual, otherwise a man
might think he was dealing with a company when
be was dealing with an unauthorised person. On
the other hand, he thought it would be wrong to have
a company exposed to the inconvenience which might
accrue to it from any unauthorised person writingit
letter for a vexations purpose--merely to involve a con-
cern in difficu'ty.
Mr. ATHERTON thought it was a protection to a
company that no binding form could be attributed to a
letter forming the basis of a contract unless such letter
have the full signature of the company.
Mr. HENLEY supported the introduction of the
word "letters," being of opinion that there would be no
sufficient protection to foreign correspondents if some
such word was not introduced.
Mr. MOFFATT thought the word uncalled for.
After some further dismission,
The house divided on the question that the wdrd " let-
ters" be added.
For the motion
Against
Majority against the motion —33
An amendment adding the words "A 914 letter", of
credit" after the word " receipts," was ttien agreed to,
and the clause as amended was allowed to stand part of
the bill.
Clause 30 was, after some verbal amendments, agreed
to.

On clause 37, which provides that no partnership
should carry on business upon the principle of limited
liability unless the rue:ober:3 thereof shall consist of, at
least, six pereone,
Mr. HENLEY said he could not understand why the
advantage of limited liability should stop at the mysti-
cal number of seven, or why it should not be extended
to six, or even down to one.
Mr. LOWE —The object of the bill wan not to give
limited liability, but to incorporate cTmoanies. When the
partnership was very small the Acts of Parliament were
apt to become ambiguous, and it was of importance to
distinguish between what a man was doing in his corpo-
rate and in his individual capacity. It was considered ne-
cessary, therefore, to stop somewhere to avoid that diffi-
r. HENLEY.—The clause did not apply to incorpo-
reautlitoY.
n
M HENLEY.—Thes
en much as to liolite.l liability. It, in fact, only
-kelt with the mystical number of !oven, who were to
have the privilege of limited liability, and touched no
wasonMe :rel. :I‘enl.lt ()ICON, sSi d ewrn:b(ll:ochhji decidedly
no f.
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da death atrhaeny remain-
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The SPEAKER took the chair at the usual hour. in the number of shareholders, H,. would suggest, there-
P [II VATE BUSINESS, fore, that the word " seven" should be omitted, and the
The following bills were real a third time and passed : Ivor 1 "five" inserted in its steal.
—Ely Tidal II irbour and Rail way ; Glasgow Paving ; Mr. LO WE could not agree to the aincniment.
London, Tilbury, ant S mthend Railway (Extension and Mr. J. G. PIIILLIMORE recommended the omission
Branches) ; arid Vale of Clwyd Railway Bills, of the clause altogether.
The order of the day for the reading of the Aberdeen Mr. M CIIAMBEU—.S ipposing there were a trad-
and Scottish Midland Junction Railway Companies ing corporation of seven members and one died, then the
Amalgamation Bill was discharged and the bill ordered six remaining members would cease to have the privilege
to be recommitted. of incorporation and limited liability—. It struck him
THE MILITIA. that that wa, exceeiingly unjust. Ha would recommend,
In reply to a question from Mr. GROG AN, therefore, that a c rtain time shou'd be allowed during
Mr. F. PEEL said that when the militia was disem- which the remaining six might have the opportunity of
bodied no person connected with the militia would con-
filling up the number, so that the corporate body should
tinue to receive pay but those on the permanent staff of
not expire at once, but have facilities given it for con-
the Adjutant and the Quartermaster-General at the time tinning the limited liability.
of the disembodiment.
Mr. G. BUTT di I not see there would be much bene-
PERCUSSION CAPS (CRIMEA). fit in reteaning the clause. It might as well be struck
In answer to a question from Col. NORTH, out of the bill altneether.The SOLICITOR-GENERAL sai I the real operation
Mr. MONSELL said that no report had been re- of the clause would be this :—lt would compel the corn-
calved upon 6,000,000 of waterproof percussion caps sent pony immediately to fill up its list to the number pre-
to the Crimea, tut when it was it should be laid bn the scribed by the act. It was absolutel necessary to fix
table of the house. The number mentioned by the gal- some limit to the numbers, or the machinery of the act
lent officer was larger than was really the case,
would be impracticable. To reconcile the difficulty which
THE COAST GUARD AT FOWEY. had been started, however, he would suggest that the
Mr. PALK asked the First Lord of the Admiralty, clause should stand as it was, but that some little time
whether the gallant conduct of Commander Norcock, should be given, so that when the number on the share
Inspecting Commander of the Fowey district, and two list was reduced below seven it should be imperative
Coast Guardsmen named William Pappin and Charles upon the survit ors to fill up the number within a given
Henwood, and a man of the name of Johns, son of a period—say two months.
'
Fowey pilot, in conducting the descent of a boat Mr. MALINS—No, no • six montbe.
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launchingfgereetaitndhaeniggehrt,rowing to
o ahnedr,saanv(il nugntdheer
Mr. IIATHERTON hoped that six months would be
circumstances
agreed to.
o
Several other members on both sides of the house hay-
been brought before the notice of the Lords of the
(sovl sur v cliffiv er 2 0
o oofi a vessel wrecked close to Fowey, had
ing expressed themselves to the same effect, "seven"
Admiralty ? was inserted as the minimum number of shareholders,
Sir C. WOOD said it had, and that measures were and
being taken to reward them for their gallant conduct. On the motion of Mr. LOWE it was agreed that it
PAROCHIAL SCHOOLS (SCOTLAND) BILL. should be imperative upon the survivors to fill up the
Sir J. FERGUSSON asked the Lord-Advocate, whe. list of shareholders within six months after the number
ther, by the Parochial Schools (Scotland) Bill, in the had been reduced below seven.
event of the person elected to the office of schoolmaster Mr. MALINS said the more he considered the clause
being a, member .of the Established Church, the exa. the more he was satisfied that it ought not to form part
, i m'nation before the Presbytery would still be necessary; of the bill, inasmuch as it would have
to
havetahneyeoffnee:tthoef
METROPOLITAN SCHOOL OF ARTS.—Lord of and whether the judicial powers of the presbyteries abridging the operation of the act, and through difficul-
Alderley, as President of the Board of Trade, distributed over schoolmasters accused of heretical teaching, and ties in the way, without producing good
the prizes to the students of the Metropolitan School of
their visitation and examination of the schools, would I company or the public. He should therefore oppose the
Arts on Saturday last at Marlborough-house. In the
be retained ? retention of the clause as part of the bill.
course of his observations he announced that it had The LORD ADVOCATE said that no doubt there Mr. COLLIER differed from the hon. and learned
been determined to hold in the year 1858 an exhibition
gentleman,
and thought that without the clause the ope-
of those works of ornamental art produced since the
must be such an examination as that alluded to under
the bill, and with regard to the latter portion of the ration of the bill would he null and void. , Indeed it
establishment of the schools of art, as articles of corn-
answer the bill would not touch on it, seemed a corollary to the third clause already agreed to,
merce which, either in their original design, or in
JOINT STOCK COMPANIES BILL. which would be nothing worth without it.
their entire or partial execution, have been carried out
The clause was then agreed to, as were likewise
by those who have derived instruction from the schools. On the motion for the house going into committee on clauses to 56 inclusive.
The works would consist of carvings in all materials, this bill, Clause 57.
furniture, metal, working, pottery, &c. He also spoke Mr. SPOONER, moved, as an amendment, that the Mr. MALINS said if the clause was intended to be a
of another and still more important measure for pro- house go into committee on the bill that day six months. complete substitution for the present Winding-up Acts
meting the extension of art instruction. Instead of Mr. LOWE resisted the amendment, and, in reply to the machinery would fall. He thought the machinery
limiting the award of prizes to students taught in the Mr. Spooner's remarks, said that he had materially of those acts ought to have been applied to the bill.
schools of art, the department would hereafter hold altered the bill of last year. Mr. LOWE said the clauses had been carefully conei-
examinations at which any person might present him- The amendment was negatived without a division, dered, and he had no doubt would give general satisfac-
self to be examined in free band and mechanical draw- and the house went into
4 werentocomm agreeditteeo to without die.
n the bill. lion.
ing. If a certain standard of excellence were attained, Clauses 1,2, 3,aThe clause was then added to the bill.
then the student would receive a prize, and the school cussion. Clause 58.
where he was educated, if a poor school, would obtain Clause 5, relat'ive to registration, after discussion Mr. J. EWART moved that the words " whose no-
an allowance to repay, as it were, the cost which bad and some verbal amendments, was also agreed to. minal capital does not exceed 5,0001." should be omitted.
been incurred in teaching drawing. By degrees it Mr. SPOONER objected to the loose wording of Sir F. KELLY said the question involved in the
was intended to extend this system to %all parts of clause 6. bill was a most impOrtant one—namely, whether the
the United Kingdom, the rate of extension being de- Clauses from 6to 12 inclusively were then agreed to. winding-up of companies should be carried on in the
termined by the funds which Parliament might vote On clause 13, Court of Chancery, or in the Court of Bankruptcy.
for the object. His lordship declared that be thought Mr. HENLEY wished to know whether under this The affairs of any company whatsoever could be wound
it far better to give prizes to students educated without clause companies would be allowed to hold land ? up in the Court of Bankruptcy in one-fifth of the
stave assistance than limit the award of them to those Mr. LOWE stated their power to do so would be un- time and at one-fifth of the expense of winding-up
who were directly or indirectly indebted to the Govern-1 limited, in the Court of Chancery, notwithstanding the
it rent for aid. I Mr, CA,EDWELL WAS understood as objecting V) ' recent great improvements in Chancery Procedure.

The sug,gestiou was acquiesced in, and the motion
was withdrawn.

The Whichwood Forest Bill was read a second time.
The Marriage Law Amending Bill was read a third
time and passed.
The Peace Preservation (Ireland) Bill was read a se-
cond time.

POSTAL REGULATIONS FOR THE 29th
OF MAY, 185 G.

On Thursday the 29th inTt., the day fixed for the cele•
bration of her Majesty's birthday and of the restoration
of peace, there will be only two deliveries of letters iu
London. The first, consi4ting of the General Post and
London district letters, will be despatched at 8 o'clock
in the morning, and the second at 12 o'clock noon.
In the latter delivery will be included letters brought
by the day mail from the north, by the mail carts from
places within the twelve mile circle, and those posted in
London up to 11 o'clock a.m.

Letters for the country and foreign mails will be col-
lected in the afternoon from all the offices within the
twelve-mile circle, and will be forwarded as usual by the
night mails.

Letters intended for the first delivery of the following
morning, or for transmission by the morning mails, must
be deposited in the boxes at the chief office, the branch
offices at Lombard-street, Charing-cross, Old Cavendish-
street, and the Borough, or in the standard letter boxes.
No money order business will be transacted either in
London or at places within the twelve-mile circle after
12 o'clock, noon, on that day.
W. BOKENHAM, Controli,er.
Circulation Department, General
Post-office, May 23.