The Sun.
London, England, 1856-02-27 00:00:00

TICKETS OF LEAVE.

Viscount DUNGANNON moved for a return of the
number of convicts to whom tickets of leave had been
granted, and also the number of convicts who, since re-
:,ivin; such tickets of leave, had returned to their for-
mer course of crimes, specifying the character of the
crimes with which they had been charged or convicted
of.

Earl GRANVILLE was understood to say that the
information which the noble viscount desired could be
obtained from other returns which had been already fur-
nisi)ed.
Viscount DUNGANNON then asked the Govern-
ment whether it was their intention to continue giving
tickets of leave
Earl GRANVILLE was understood to say that no
alteration in the system could be accomplished without
an act of Parliament, and that it was not the intention
of the Government to bring in any such act.
The Earl of SALISBURY then made some observa-
tions at tho tab'e, evidently seta's?: forth the evils of the
system now in force, but they could not be heard except
at intervals.
The Earl of HARROWBY also spoke in a very low
voice. He argued that the evil was not attributable to
tickets of leave, for whether great criminals wera de-
tained the whole period of their punishment ar set loose
earlier, so long as they were to return upon society the
same evils would sooner or later be felt.
The Earl of MtLMESBURY said the statement of
the noble lord wag very alArining, when he said that it
was perfectly impossible for us to retrace our steps and
to return to transportation,

The Earl of RARROWBY interposed. He had said
only that the evil was inherent in the system, as they i
had abolished transportation.
The Earl of MA LM EF,BURY said he utterly denied
that, and trusted that they would not lean to that
niaxita. They were experimenting just now on this
subject. He thought that the ineans of remedy were
within their reach, although it did not devolve on him
to point out those means to the noble lords opposite.
A t the same time, he hoped that transportation might
be possible to some country. The rates of Hampshire
were now doub:e what they were 12 years ago, and only
ately they were obliged to increase the number of ran-
i tables.
The Duke of ARGYLL denied that his noble friend
(Lard Harrowby) had stated that it was impossible to
return ti transportation, The present system was an
experiment, and no more. Certainly they could not re-
turn to transportation null si it were in some uninha-
bited colony, for he suspected it was not likely the for-
mer colonies would change their mine.
Lord CAMPBELL hoped that the present system
was by uo means beyond any hope of return to transpor-
tion. No doubt, were the ticket of-leave system to be
abolished, they would still have the criminals returned
upon them when the period expired, and then they must
be set at liberty without any surveillance. As to Lln-
don being filled with forrat7, as Paris was, the thing
was to be avoided with dread, and he trusted ths Go-
vernment would lose no opportunity of returning to
transportation. New colonies might be fund. Cer-
tainly they would, in that case, lose the advantage of
their being absorbed, of their being employed, restored
to character and respectability. It must never be for-
gotten that 40,000 of our criminals were in the colonies
earning a respectable livelihood.
The Earl of ST. GERITA.NS believed that the colo-
nies were perfectly right in petitioning for the abolition
of transportation. The system of assignment formerly
in practice was in some cases no punishment at all, while
in others it was very severe. He felt quite sure that the
feelings of the people of this country would not allow

Mr. OLIVEIRA. asked the Chancellor of the Ex-
chequer, with reference to the Order in Council of the
7th day of December last, now laid upon the table of the
house, authorising an additional issue of bank notes by
the Bank of England, to the extent of 475.0001., pur-
suant to the sth section of the 7th and Bth Vic. cap. 32,
what arrangement had been made between the Govern-
ment and the Bank of England, to carry into effect
the provision of the 9th section of the said Bank Charter
Act, which required the Bank of England to allow the
public the profits derived from any additional securities
beyond the stipulated amount of 145000,000/., fixed by
the act, after deduction of exnerieeg
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said the
agreement the Government had entered into with the
Bank arranged all the details ; and when the year
lelapsed, for which the arrangement existed, the terms of
it would he laid before the house.
Mr. °TWAY asked the President of the Board of
Control whether he was aware of the proceedings that
had taken place in the Prerogative Court of Canterbur.v,
" In re Dyce Sombre," and of the judgment of the judge,
the Eight Hon. Sir John Dodson ; and whether the Court
of Directors of thu East India Company had the power
to disburse generally moneys from the revenues of jos •
tice for any obj.ct or objects, including the discharge of
law costs and expenses incurred by them in this coun-
try. without his sanction and authority ?
Mr. V. SMITH said he had no further knowledge of
this case than the public had, and through the same
medium, the public prase. With regard to the second
part of the question he woul I make inquiries and inform
the house.