The Sun.
London, England, 1860-08-21 00:00:00

IMPERIAL GUARANTEES.

Mr. HUBBARD moved for an address for return of the
unexpired imperial liabilities arising under either of the
following heads :—Guarantee of loans made by foreign
countries or colonial dependencies ; guarantees of interest on
railway, telegraphic, or other undertakings, specifying the
extent of the loans and the rates of interest ; also the amounts
already paid under such guarantees, and the amount still
depending.
The motion was agreed to.
CONSOLIDATED FUND (APPROPRIATION)
BILL.
This bill was read a second time.
EXCHEQUER BONDS (£2,000,000) BILL.
This bill was read a second time.
ENDOWED CHARITIES BILL.

The house went into committee on this bill.
Clauses 1 to 17 were agreed to with one or two verbal
amendments.

On the motion of Mr. LYGON clause 18 was struck
out.

Clauses 1t and 20 were agreed to.
On clause 21, there was a long discussion, in which the
Chancellor of the Exchequer, Mr. Lowe, Mr. Henley, Sir
R. Bothell, Mr. Itolt, Mr. Ayrton, and other gentlemen
took part, relative to salaries to be granted to official trustees
of charitable funds. It resulted in the promise that a clause
should be brought up on the report, on the condition that it
should be a temporary measure preliminary to a general in-
vestigation of the whole subject of salaries under the Charity
Commission next session.

Clause 22, which provides that clerks and accountants
under the commission should not be liable to serve on juries
was objected to by Mr. HENLEY. He had no objection to
the commissioners and secretary being exempt, but he
thought that clerks and accountants should be liable as
other people are.
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said there would be no
objection to amending the clause as suggested.
The clause having been so amended was agreed to.
Mr. HADFIELD moved a clause, which provided that
where, under the deed or instrument constituting or regu-
lating any parochial charity, administered by the in-
cumbent, churchwardens, or other persons appointed by the
vestry of a parish, no auditor is appointed, it shall be law-
ful for the commissioners of charities to appoint an inspec-
tor of accounts. •
The committee divided—
For the clause 6
Against
Majority .. —37
The clause was negatived, and the bill was reported to the
house.

MILITIA PAY BILL.
This bill passed through committee.
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MILITIA BALLOT BILL.
The Lords' Amendments to this bill were considered and
agreed to.

NEW ZEALAND BILL.

The order for the second reading of this bill was poet.
poned until the evening sitting.
THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT ACT (1855) AMEND-
MENT (No. 2) BILL.
This bill passed :through committee, and the standing
orders haying been suspended, was read a third time and
passed.
NAVAL DISCIPLINE BILL.
_

The order for going into committee on this bill was post-
poned until the evening sitting.

ROMAN CATHOLIC CHARITIES BILL.

The adjourned debate on the amendment on consideration
as amended was postponed until the last sitting.

COURT OF CHANCERY BILL.

On the motion for going into committee on this bill,
Mr. HADFIELD adverted at some length to the clauses
of which he had given notice, proyiding for the appoint-
ment of additional chief clerk; to the Master of the Rolls
and the Vice-Chancellors.

Sir J. GRAHAM said the bill had come down on high
authority from the House of Lords, but he hoped the House
of Commons would pay some respect to a committee of its
own who had considered and rejected the clauses to which
the hon. member for Sheffield had referred.

The house went into committee on the bill, and the vari-
ous clauses were agreed to with some slight amendments.
Mr. HADFIELD then moved the first of the clauses on
which his speech was founded, namely that an additional
chief clerk be appointed for the Master of the Rolls, and
recommending Mr. John Arthur Buckley, late chief in the
office of one of the Masters in Ordinary for the appoint-
ment.

Sir J. GRAHAM opposed the clause. He had a high re-
gard for the great ability and respectability of Mr. Buckley,
and he should be sorry to oppose the Master of the Rolls
and o. her high judicial officers, who were said to have re-
commended the appointment. The committee to whom he
had referred had recommended the abolition of the office of
Master in Chancery, although it was foreseen that it might
be productive of some difficulty, on the ground that the
chamber practice of the judges would be transacted by
clerks, who were inferior in ability to the Masters in Chan •
eery, whose office had been obsolete.WlThe Master of the
Rolls had two chief clerks and inferior clerks, and now the
proposition was that the Master of the Rolls should have a
third chief clerk. If that point were conceded, Parliament
might reckon upon it with a certainty that an appeal would
be made by the threeVice-Chancellors for additional:clerks.
The time had come for the appointment of a new equity
judge, whose establishment would not amount to more than
£4,000 a year than would be incurred by the proposed chief
clerks. He recommended that when a fourth Vice-Chan-
cellor was appointed, those judges should sit in turn in
chambers, in which case the business would be thoroughly
transacted.

Mr. ROLT agreed with the right hon. baronet in the im-
portance of having judicial matters disposed of by judges
and introducing such legislative provision as would pre-
vent, as far as possible, referring such questions to the offi-
cers of the court. He did not think the equity judges could
satisfactorily preside at chambers disposing of accounts
which would unfit. them for theirjudicial business. If a ques-
tion of law were at chambers the chief clerk might express
an opinion, and if the parties were dissatisfied they might
appeal to the judge. He did not think the time had arrived
when a new judge would be necessary, for although the
judges were fully occupied there were no arrears, and he
was not aware that any business had been referred to cham-
bers which ought not to have been transacted there. Mr.
Buckley had been acting with the Master of the Rolls for
three years, and if they did not accede to
the clause pro-
; posed by Mr.i Hadfield they would be limiting his judicial
staff. It should be remembered, too, that the Master of the
Rolls had strongly recommended this appointment, and
that representation he thought should be attended to.
Sir a. GRAHAM said he should like to know in what
manner the Master of the Rolls has obtained the assistance
of Mr. Buckley during the last three years.
Mr. MALINS agreed in the main with Sir J. Graham,
and said that unless it could be shown that an additional
clerk was necessary for the Vice Chancellor, he could not
agree that it was necessary to give another clerk to the
Master of the Rolls. The Vice Chancellor's clerks did quite
as much work as a single judge could superintend, and if
another chief clerk were appointed for each of the courts

there would be more work than. the Tice-Chancellor could
adequately supervise. He was not of opinion the time had
come for the appointment of a newjudge but he did not mean
to say that it was far distant, inasmuch as by a bill now be .
fore the house, which would enable viva twee evidence to be
taken, the Courts of Chancery would greatly increase. In
re-ply to Sir J. Graham's question, the hon. and learned
gentleman had said that Mr. Buckley was clerk to Master
Blunt, who died in 1856. He was entitled to Ll,OOO a-year
as such clerk, and three years ago one of the clerks of the
Master of the Rolls having become ill, Mr. Buckley offered
his services without any additional salary. Since that be
had discharged the duties, and if he continued to discharge
them he would not receive any additional salary, to that to
whisk he was at present entitled. He thought that under
the circumstances the services of Mr. Buckley might be re-
tained.
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said, from the language
he frequently heard in the courts he could not help think
ing that a portion of the duty of the courts strictly judicial
was transferred from the judges to the chief clerks and he
should object therefore to adding another chief clerk to the
establishment of the Master of the Rolls. But the Master
of the Rolls, having pledged himself to the performance
of certain duties, he was disposed on that ground, and that
ground alone, to assent to his continuing to receive Mr.
Buckley's assistance, so long as the Lord Chancellor
might think fit, on the condition that if the business de-
creased he should be dismissed, and have no claim to
compensation, and that if business increased he might be
transferred to the office of one of vice-chancellors if neces-
sary. The hon. and learned gentleman moved a clause, in
which he embodied those views, as an amendment to the
clause proposed
_ by Mr. Hadfield.
Mr. HENLEY thought all judicial business of import-
ance should be transacted under the immediate supervision
of the judges. He suggested that the Attorney-General
should allow Mr. Hadfield's clause to be negatived, and then
to have his own printed, in order that it might be brought
up with the report.
Sir J. GRAHAM said he viewed the amended clause
with great jealousy. He thought it would be well to add to
the clause that if a fourth judge were appointed Mr. Buck-
ley should be transferred to him as his chief clerk.
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said he should have no
objection.
It being 10 minutes to four, the CHAIRMAN reported
progress.
The other orders on the paper were postponed, and the
sitting was suspended at four o'clock.
At six o'clock the house resumed, and was
[LEFT SITTING.]

ARRIVALS AT YORK.

.BEY ELECTRIC TELEGRAPH.]

Grenadier, Vesta, Violet, Prudence, Harefoot, Gardener,
Sampson, Hepatica, Vouralak, Tyrant, General Hem,
Man-at-Arms, Skelton, Defender, Dundee, Bella Donna,
Maggiore, Satellite, Artless, Northern Light, Trovatore,
Starlight, Sweet Hawthorne, Phemy colt, Folkeston%
Cantatrice, Maid of the Mist, Feodorowna, Cynrioas,
Sutton, Moorhen, Wildman, Horace, Lopcatcher, Weather-
witch, Ericthonius, Sir William, Eidolon, Brown Holland,
Annie, Miss Hawley, Syringe, Roesia, Uralian, and
Sister to Roesia.

LONDON GAZETTE-(THIS EVENING).

FOREIGN-OFFICE, AUG. 17.

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The Queen has been pleased to approve of Mr. Henry
Fox as Consul at Plymouth for his Majesty the King of
Hanover.

The Queen has also been pleased to approve of Mr. John
Frederick Capelle as Consul at Rangoon for the Free Han-
seatic City of Hamburgh.
BOARD OF TRADE, WHITEHALL, AUG 21.

The Right Hon. the Lords of the Committee of Privy
Council for Trade and Plantations have received, from the
Secretary of State for Fm eign Affairs, a copy of a despatch
from her Majesty's Charge d'Affaires at Athens, enclosing
a copy of a Royal Greek Ordinance, fixing the price of
Emery of Naxos at 11 drachms (7s. 91d.), per quintal of
Constantinople, delivery to be made at Syra, after payment
to the Treasury.