The Sun.
London, England, 1860-02-14 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

MUSE OF LORDS—(YEsTERDKY.)
The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat on the woolsack
at five o'clock.
The Duke of MARLBOROUGH presented a number
of petitions against the abolition of church rates.
Lard CHELMSFORD presented similar petitions.
THE PRAYER BOOK.
The Earl of CARNARVON presented a petition from.
Ileniton against any alteration in the prayer book.
PRIVATE BUSINESS.
The following bills were read a second time :—Dublin
and Meath Railway; Galashiels and Peebles Railway;
Banbridge Junction Railway ; Belfast, HolW arrenpointywood, and
Bangor Railway ; Dover Gas ; Newryand
and Rostrevor Railway; North Kent Water; Portadown,
Dungannon, and Omagh Junction Railway ; North Bri-
tish insurance Company, and London Sheriffs Court.
ENDOWED SCHOOLS.
Is reply_ to Lord CHELMSFORD,
Lord CRA.NWORTH said he intended to proceed With
the bill for regulating endowed schools, which involved but
one principle, in a public and not a select committee.
NICE AND SAVOY.
Lord NORMANBYsaid, as it was stateencde relating tot that it would
he
be
inconvenient to produce the correspond
proposed annexation of Nice and Sayoy to France, he
should to-morrow move for the dates of any correspondence
between the Secretary of State and the at
Paris

INDICTABLE OFFENCES BILL.
Lord CHELMSFORD, in moving the second reading o,
this bill, said its principle had three times been sanctioned
by votes of the other house. There had never been any
hostility to the bill ; and although it had never passed into
a law, it was owing altogether to circumstances
unconnected with the merits of the measure. By
the first clause that !was enacted that from the passing
of the bill no criminal charge should be tried at the Central
Criminal Court or any other Court within. the district, un-
less a previousinvestigation had taken place before a ma-
gistrate. The noble and learned lord then detailed a number
of cases to show the inconvenience of the pre sells
nt
grand jury.system, in the majority of instances the bi
ignored being quite in opposition to the opinion of the com-
mitting magistrate and against the whole of the evidence
set down in the depositions. He concluded by
exprestring a
hope that their lordships would allow the bill to be read a
'second time, and go into committee.
The LORD CHANCELLOR said he should not oppose
the mill, bat it was a measure which would require great
caution in reference to its details.
,The bill was then read a second time, and ordered to be
e9mMitted.
THE RED RIVER SETTLEMENT.
The Earl of CARNARVON inquired what was the in-
tention of her Majesty's Government with regard to the
administration of the Red River Settlement, and those parts
of the Saskatchewan districts recommended by the com-
mittee of the House of Commons, in 1857, to be withdrawn
from the jurisdiction of the Hudson's Bay Company.
The Duke of NEWCASTLE said, he hoped the result of
the amicable arrangement which he was desirous of conclud-
ing with the Hudson's Bay Company, would accomplish
this very desirable object without litigation. If so, the
next step would be to devise some simple form of govern-
ment ; and should legislation be necessary for this purpose,s
jt was, of course, most desirable that it should take place thi
'session.
7HE DISSENSIONS IN ST. GEORGE'S-IN-THE
EAST.
Lord EMMY, in pursuance of a notice which he had
given last week, placed before their lordships a petition,
signed by.between 4,000 and 5,000 e
of the parishioners of St.
George's in the East, complaining of certain ecclesiastical
grievances.
.Their lordships then adjourned.

ROUSE OF COMMONS.—(YESTERDAY.)
The SPBAJCER took the chair at four o'clock.
PRIVATE BUSINESS.
The following bills were read a second time :—Aberga-
venny Improvement; Ambergate, Nottingham, and Bos-
ton, and Eastern Junction Railway and Canal Company
Birkenhead Railway (No. 1) ; Bourton on the Water Rail-
way; Chesterfield and Worksop Rotors; Cilgwrgan, Bettws,
and Tregynen Road ; Egle Roads ; Glossop
and; larple Bridge Road ; Highbridge Market and Gas ;
Hungerford Market and Charing-cross Bridge Companies ;
Lincoln Heath and Peterborough Roads ; Llanelly Rail •
way and Dock Company ; London and South-Western and
Bristol and Exeter Railway Companßailwies ; Lond
Eoxtensia on,n nd
South Western Railway (Kingston ay
&c.) ; London, Brighton, and South Coast, and Victoria
Station and Pimlico Railway Companies Lon-
don, Chatham, and Dover Railway (dapital)
Manchester Corporation Water ; Manchester Im-
provement ; Marchburn, Kelso, and Lauder Road ;
Ilarple New Mills and Hayfield Junction Railway ; Mid-
land Railway (Burton-upon-Trent Deviation) ; Midland
Railway (Hinckley Extension) ; Newcastle-upen-Tyne
and Carlisle Railway, and Port Carlisle Dock and Railway,
and Carlisle and Silloth Bay Railway and Dock Companies;
Newcastle-upon-Tyne and Derwent Valley Railway ;
North British Railway (Stations, &c,) ; North-Eastern
Railway (Blaydon and Conside Branches) ;
North-
Eastern Railway (Extension of Time, &c.) ; North
Staffordshire Railway ; Sacriston Junction and
South Shields Railway; Salisbury and Yeovil Railway;
Sheffield Water ; Shrewsbury and Welchpeol Rail-
way; Sirhowy Tramroad"; Stockport and Woodley Junc-
tion" Railway ; Stourbrid ge. Railway • Swansea Local
Board of Health ; Thetford and Bury St'. Edmund's Rail-
way ; and Vale of Clwyd Railway Extension.
PETITIONS.
Several petitions were presented against the abolition of
the church rates, and the alteration proposed in the London
Corporsilou Bill, in favour of the repeal of the paper duties,
for the repeal of the grant to the College of Maynooth, for
some leeslative enactment to facilitate the economy of a
rate legally made, against the continuance of the income
tax, &c.

NEW MEMBERS.
On the motion of Mr. BRA.ND, writs were ordered for
the borough of Ennis, vacant by the elevation to the Irish
b.nch of Mr. J. D. Fitzgerald, late Attorney-General for
Ireland ; and for the county of Cork, vacant by the accept-
ance of the office of Attorney-General for Ireland by Mr.
Sergeant Deasey, late Solicitor-General for Ireland. ,
ITALY.
Lord J. RUSSELL laid on the table of tcor-
respondence he house the
which had taken place relative to the affairs
Italy.

MR. JUSTICE PERRI.N.
Mr. R. LONG asked the Chief Secretary for Ireland if
it were true that Mr. Justice Perrin had resigned his seat
upon the Irish bench ; and, if so, for what reason ?
Mr. CARDWELL said that Mr. Justice Perrin had re-
tired from the bench after having served in the office of
judge for the protracted period of 35 years; and the reason
of his retirement was ill health
LIEUTENANTS IN THE ROYAL NAVY.
Lord J. BROWNE asked the Secretary to the Admiralty
whether any reply had been given to the memorial of the
Lieutenants of the Royal Navy presented in December last ;
whether it was the intention of the Board of Admiralty to
increase the pay and half-pay a those officers, so as to place
them more nearly on a position of equality with the Mas-
ters and the non-effective officers of the Royal Navy of the
same rank ; and whether it was intended to allow their ser-
.vice in the Coast Guard to count as sea time ?
Lord C. PAGET said that the Board of ' Admiralty had
taken into consideration the memorial alluded to, and after
mature deliberation it was not their intention to increase
the
to pay of lieutenants in the Royal Navy. With re-
gard to the half pay, when he brought forward the navy
estimates he would afford the noble lord the information he
required. •
NEWFOUNDLAND FISHERIES.
Sir J. PABINGTON asked the Secretary of State fo
Foreign Affairs whether the English and French Commis-
r
sioners sent to Newfoundland last year to investigate the
questions so long at issue between the two Governments
with respect to the fisheries have made recommendations
which are likely to be accepted by both countries, and to lead
to a final and satisfactory arrangemment ?
Lord J. RUSSELL said that the commissioners had made
their
report, but Government was not in possession of such
l information in reference to the subject as to enable
them to come to a final decision. He could not state whether
.the French Government would accede to the recommenda-
tions of the commissioners.

FRENCH CUSTOMS TARIFF.
Sir S. NORTHCOTE moved an address for a copy of
the French tariff of customs duties now in force.
After a few observations on the same subject by Lord J.
MANNERS and Mr. NEWDEGATE,
Mr. M. GIBSON said that the information required
would be supplied by the documents that would be laid on
the table of the house. Those documents would show
clearly the amount of the existing duties on Bri-
tish productions imported into France, and supply
all the necessary details to which the hon. members
referred. With regard to the differential duties specified in
the third article of the convention, these were to be consi-
dered as a part of the navigation la;Ls in operation between
France and England. He would most willingly afford all the
information on the subj6ct that was required by the noble lord,
but he thought it would be more desirable if the noble lord
would put his motion in a more specific form.
THE ARMY ESTIMATES.
In reply to Mr. DISRAELI,
Lord PALMERSTON said he could not tell when the
army estimates would be
CHINA. id on the table.
On the motion for going into committee of supply,
Mr. COCHRANE rose, pursuant to notice, to call the
attention of the house to.our relations with China. It was
desirable that the house should express an opinion as to the
instructions :to be given to the officers now in command
there. He would not refer to the past war, which, in his
opinion, was the primary cause of the present difficulties,
nor to Lord Elgin's blue-book, except where it was essen-
tial to do so to explain the present position of affairs. He
would regard the question from the treaty of Tien-tsin.
Early in 18.57 Lord Elgin was appointed special envoy to
China, but owing to the disturbances in India, he did not
arrive there till the close of 1857. The original demands in
December, 1857, were only two—first, the complete execu-
tion of treaty engagements ; secondly, compensation to
British subjects for losses incurred in 1857. But most un-
fortunately in Feb., 1858, Lord Elgin took a step further,
and demanded the power of making additional demands'on
the Chinesegovernment, and of entering into such treaties,
conventions, and agreements as might obviate future mis-
understandings ; and still more unfortunately, one of the
demands then made on the Chinese Government was the
.right to have a British Minister resident at the Court of
rekin. That demand was the cause of all our present diffi-
culties. Every one would give full credit to the ability,
energy,
been and fa with
rank nr s of Lord Elgin. This energy had
an extremity of vigour against the
Chinese Government, demanding from them all the gun-.
rantees of a
civilisationneit treating them an
at one moment, and at the
thehis most abject barbarians. His
was
shown
by
franknessown opinion expressed as to
the demand for a residentMiui teriit Pekin. In his despatch
to Lord Malmesbury of October 12th, he stated that these
demands in the eyes of the. Chineseiov!rnment amounted
to a revolution, and that compliance with them had been
fears: Agftin,onthceosntthe of November,
extorted from its
he wrote :—" The Chinese authorities contemplate the per-
manent residence of a Foreign Minister at trle)apitai with
more aversion and alarm than any other of the innovations
introduced by the treaty of Tien-tsin." He admitted that
their apprehensions as to its effect on the People
were not altogether chimerical. The noble lord had
laid over and over that-this demand was one which was
most unpalatable to the Chinese Government, and that it
hl4l been extorted from them through fear. The Chinese
m;.sioners had represented to him that the'permanent
,ifforeign ministers at Pekin would bets eriously
iesii by generating disrespect for heir own
inju eons to Ph?, a,
govt. iniment ,ne eyes of the people. In spite of that the
.--ted upon. "Oat happened ? The treaty
condition wal 413—‘,