The Sun.
London, England, 1856-02-02 00:00:00

COLONEL TITER.

Mr. DUNCOMBE asked the First Lord of the Trea-
sury whether it was the intention of her Majesty's Go-
vernment to introduce, during the present session, any
bill for the alteration or amendment of the laws affect-
ing aliens! (hear.) And, secondly, whether it was true
that the liberation of Colonel Turr by the Austrian Go-
vernment was correct, and that he was at liberty to return
to his employment under the Crown of England? (Hear.)
At the same time, probably, the noble lord would have
the kindness to state what were the steps taken by her
Majesty's Government with reference to this arrest,
which he looked upon as a gross viola;,ion of the interna-
tional law of Turkey, and an insult to this country, as
regarded the Crown of England. (Cries of " Order.")
The noble lord would give great satisfaction to the
people of this country it he would state what had really
occurred with reference to Colonel Turr. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. ROEBUCK—Perhaps, sir, before the noble lord
answers the question, I might be allowed to suggest an
observation on it. (Cries of " Order.") I think lam

in order.
Mr. BUNCOMBE—Probably the hon. member would
wait until he has heard the answer to my question.
Lord I'ALMERSTON said that with regard to the
first question he had to state that her Majesty's Go-
vernment had no intention to propose any law with
regard to aliens this session. With regard to Col. 'Farr,
he had the satisfaction of stating that the result of the
oommunicatione that bad passed between ;England and
Austria had been that the Austrian Government had de-
clared she was now ready to deliver Col. Turr up to any
military authorities her Majesty might authorise to re-
ceive him. As to the communications that had passed
between the two Governments, the house, he felt eel,
tain, would be of opinion that, as the matter was now
satisfactorily at an end by the liberation of Col. Turr,
co object could be gained in going into it. (Hear,
heat...) The question was not altogether so simple
a one ai; his hon. friend appeared to imagine, but on the
eontrary very complicated from a variety of con-
flicting circumstances. All he could say was that whilst
Austria on the ono band contended for the assertion
of rights she deemed she was entitled to demand,
on the other hand she evinced some disposition
to meet the wishes of her Majesty's Goverment consistent
with those rights she deemed it right to maintain. Col.
Turf was tried by a military tribunal for desertion from
the Austrian army, and convicted of that offence,
which transaction Colonel Tarr had never denied.
That conviction was well known, and the Austrian
Government, in deference to the wishes of her Ma-
jesty's 11Governtnent, ordered h's immediate discharge
in the manner in which he had stated. .
Mr. ROEBUCK said the emendation he wished to
make to the question of the hon. member for Finsbury
with respect to the liberation of Colonel Turr, was
to ask whether that gentleman had been discharged
without any indignity being cast on him in consequence
of hie arrest, because he had heard from the public
papers that!such was not the case. (Hear.)
Lord PALMERSTON said that, so far as he was
aware, nothing further had occurred than Col. Turr's
simple liberationTH ,
TURKISH LOAN.
Mr. DISRAELI gal-se notice that on Monday next
he would move for a statement of the several sums trans-
mitted by the Bank of England to the Sublime Porte,
on account of the loan of 5,000,0001. guaranteed by the
governments of France and Eogland, and also a state-
ment of the date of each remittance made by the Bank
of England.

THE FALL OF KIII3.
Mr. WHITESIDE gave notice that on An early day
he would call the attention of the house to the circum-
stances connected with the fall of Kars. (Heao
THE MERCHANT SHIPPING ACTS.
Mr. LOWE gave notice that on Monday next be
would move that the acts relating to merchant shipping
should be read, and that the house should resolve itself
into a committee on the same.
JUVENILE REFORMATORIES.
The question having been put that the house at its rising
should adjourn until Mondayinest,
Sir J. PAKINGTON rose, pursuant to notice, to ask
the
the
Secretary of State for the Home Department what were
intentions of her Majesty's Government with r
reformatories respect ?
to the
future support and regulation of juvenile
He would not detain the house at any length upon that occa-
, sion, when he was aware that he could not address them ex-
cept by an abuse of the forms of the house—(hear, hear)—
although that abuse was one to which the house itself had
repeatedly given its Eanctiou. His object was to ascertain
what were the intentions of her Majesty's Government upon
a subject which was at present exciting very considerable
interest in the country, and which, in his opinion, required
the careful attention and the decided action of the
right honourable gentleman at the head of the Home
Office, He thought that the !house and the country
were hardly aware of the magnitude which that ques-
tion had assumed within a ver short period of time. He
believed he was not at all exaggg when he stated that
upwards of 30 counties had already either established re-
formatory institutions, or were engaged in doing so. But he
believed. be wt alto OW $a t. }t hardly any two of

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those counties acted in the matter exactly with the same ob- 1 that whatever might be the best plan for the amelioration of
jects or exactly on the same principle. Some of them had the law, the right hon. gentleman the Secretary of State for
raised the
necessary sums of money to build very large esta- the Home Department would take the matter into his serious
blishments, while others bad appropriated mere cottages efo I consideration, and would not bring forward the bill until it
the reception of juvenile offenders. Again, some of them had had been fully deliberated on.
resolved ou subscribing considerable sums annually for the Lord R. CECIL, before the closing of that discussion) .
maintenance of those establishments, while others had made • • wished to call the attention of the Secretary of State to what
no such provision for the future. It appeared that in some a •
ppeared to him another anomaly in the 19. w. He referred to
counties a strong opinion. preVailed, in which he confessed the sending of boys to prison before sending them to these
that he shared, that the support of those institutions ought schools the object of the schools being to prevent young chil.
not to be left to the efforts of private charity. (Hear.) He dren being sent to common prisons.
wished further to remind the house, that while those establish- Sir G. GREY did not think they should enter into the eines•
ments were springing hp in every direction, they were tions which had been asked.
springing up without any regulation having been laid down
for their government ; and he doubted whether the public THE ADDRESS.
were aware of the very large powers which the act passed On bringing up the report on the Address,
two years ago had conferred on all the courts of this country Sir J. PAKINGTON said he did not wish to raise aim ob-
jection, or to revive last night's discussion on the Address
—not only on the principal courts—not only on the courts
for he must say for himself that he most fully concurred is
the Address. His object now was to make some remarks
of assize and the courts of quarter sessions, but on everyto
court of petty session—on every court in which two justices
the house upon one of the
sat. These latter courts, as well as the superior courts, had passages in the Speech from the
Throne. Re desired to refer the house to that part of her
the power, without the intervention of a jury, of confining
those juvenile criminali for a period of five years; and that Majesty's Speech where she said that "There are many sub-
jects connected with internal improvement which I 17
large power was given without any regulation having been
,mead to your attentive consideration." He could not quite
Teem.
laid down by the Government or by Parliament for the pur-
pose of providing that due care should be taken of those understand why her Majesty's Ministers should - not consider
•youthful criminals during the time of their confinement. the question of peace and. war as of such importance as would
justify their passing over those questions of domestic interest.
They were left to the discretion, or the want of discretion,
as the case might be, of men who were animated, he ad. But as the Government had advised her Majesty to refer
mitted, by the most admirable motives, but many of whom to those questions of internal improvement, he did not
were enthusiasts, who could hardly be trusted with the duty derstand why they had omitted altogether any reference to:
carrying out such a system. Then, again, he was nbt the subject which, in his opinion was of the greatest ima.:
aware that the scanty security taken by Parliament for the portance of all the questions of the present day. He re
(er'r'ed to the question of national education. When he von--
proper management of those establishments in requiring a
certificate in their favour from a prison inspector—he was turgid to submit to this house the question of this great anus
not aware that that scanty security was enforced by the Go- sure of education—and he expressed a very strong opinion
vernment in a manner that could ensure its full operation, that the present state of education ih this country was not
He
believed the inspector might recall within a certain time satisfactory, and that he thought it was time when a great
the certificate he may have given. But he wished to know grant for Government education should be put under the ma.
whether the Government had called for any reports with re- nagement and superintendence of a Minister appointed for
spect to those establishments. In his opinion it was not the office—he pressed this matter very strongly on the at-
only desirable that such reports should be obtained by the tention of the Government, and wished to call the attention
of the noble lord at the head of the Go .ernment, to the ran-
queues but they ought even, he thought, in conse-
quence of the magnitudewhich the •
question had assumed, guage which was used by the noble lord the member for
to be laid before Parliament. The Government at present al. London, who was then a Minister of the Government, and
lowed 56. a week for each boy confined in these establish- who was, therefore, speaking for the Government. The noble
ments ; but it was notorious that that sum was insufficient to lord, after stating his rea ens for constituting a council of
defray the expenses actually incurred, and it was generally un-
education, said that circumstantes had much changed, and
derstood in the counties anxious for the establishmeutefjuve- he thought that it would be for the good of the public ser-
nile reformatories, that a sum of 2001. or 3001. a year should vice that education should have a representative in that house
be raised by charitable contributions for their maintenance, in who might be a privy councillor. Ai to the steps necessary
addition to the sum obtained from the state. Now he wished for carrying out this object, the subject should have the
to remind the house and the Government that the existence earliest attention of the Government. Now I considered this
of those establishments involved two most important social language of the noble lord as being the expression of the
questions. It involved the administration of the criminal law, views of the Government, and he heard it with very great
and it involved the care and the training of thousands of
pleasure. He hoped the Government would feel itself bound
by that which the noble lord had spoken. He thought the
young criminals scattered all over the country, and that being
the case, it appeared to him that the matter ought not to be appointment of a regular department, presided over by a
left in its present state, but that the Government were bound minister, a member of this house, who might be responsible
ie extend to it their care and supervision. He thought it to this house, was one of the most important points in con-
nection with the great question of education ; and he must
was most desirable that the house and the country should
know at ones 'whether her Majesty's Ministers intended to say that he felt much disappointment that measures of home
propose any further legislation upon that subject during the policyn had been mentioned, and this one passed over without
present session. Ho believed that legislation with respect to otice. He would be well pleased to operate with the noble
lord as far as their views were alike; but he had yesterday
it was necessary, and he wished to know whetherthe Govern.
given notice that in the month of March he should move only
went coincided with him in that belief, and, if so, how far
a resolution, but he thought that no motion of the noble lord's
they were disposed to carry it into operation I (Hear, hear.)
would educate the people. They migh resolve as much and as
Sir G. GREY said that the question to which the right
often as they liked, but let him tell the house that what they
hon, gentleman had directed the attention of the house and
wanted, what the country wanted, was an increase of means
of the Government appeared. to him to be one of undoubted
for this object. But this grant must be under a responsible
importance. But before the house committed itself to the minister, a member of this house. He felt called upon to
opinion that the present law upon the subject ought to be express his hope that the Government would not recede from
altered, and before the Government could pledge themselves
the intention they had expressed last year.
to propose any such alteration, they should bear in mind what
Sir G. GREY could assure the right hon, gentleman that
had already passed upon the matter. Only two years ago the
the omission of the subject in the speech from the Throne
act had been passed, chiefly through the exertions of the hon.
did not arise from her Majesty's Government undervaluing
member for Staffordshire (Mr, Adderley), by which the pre-
the subject. It was not for her Majesty's Government to put
sent system of dealing with juvenile offenders had been esta-
anything in the speech unless they were prepared with mea-
blished, and establishd avowedly as an experiment. It was
then thought desirable that establishments should be created sures relating to it. As the Government had no such great
measures to propose, it would not be well to raise anticipa.
in which juvenile offenders who hall gone through a certain
tions which would only be disappointed. With reference to
amount of penal servitude, should undergo a training having
what had been said as to the superintendence of the distri.
for its object to redeem them as far as possible from those
bution of the funds, he thought that and many other matters
habits of vice and crime in which their previous lives had been
of a like nature should be under the control of a minister who
passed. By the act which was passed. two years ago, and
could give all information to the house with respect to those
which recognised the exertions of private benevolence, it was
provided that if a prison inspector should report that any matters'
building was properly arranged as a juvenile reformatory, a THE QUESTION OF PRUSSIAN NEUTRALITY.
certain sum should be paid 'by the state for the maintenance Mr. BENTINCK rose to call the attention of the house to
of the children confined in it. The right hon. gentleman some observations of the hon. and learned gentleman the
wished to know what was the practical working of member for Sheffield (M. Roebuck) on the previous even-
the interference of the prison inspectors in that case, ing. He admitted that the eloquence and talent of the
In reply tO that question, he believed that a detailed re- hon. and learned gentleman carried- great weight throughout
port was made by the inspector, stating the grounds upon the country, and he (Mr. Bentinck) had desired that a much
which he considered that the particular reformatory school more powerful voice than his had been raised to denounce
was entitled to Government support, and there had been in- some of the sentiments uttered by the hon. and learned gen_
stances in which upon the report of the inspector the certifi- tleman. He did not think such opinions as those expressed
cate bad been withheld. by the hon. and learned gentleman ought to be permitted to
Sir J. PAKINGTON wished to know whether any steps go forth with the passive consent of the House of C mmons.
would be adopted to prevent the increase of such schools The hon. and learned gentleman, in a speech more remarkable
until the general principle upon which they were to be con- for its ability than its suavity, was understood to say that our
ducted should be settled. going to war with Russia was influenced by other and more
Sir G. GREY observed in reply, that although many such selfish motives than the preservation of Turkey or the mainte-
schools were now in the course of being established, and Deuce of the balance of power iu Europe, and that, in his opi-
various meetings had been held throughout the country in nion, this country was unable to cope with Russia withoutthe
promotion of the reformatory movement, it must be borneassistance of our gallant ally the Emperor of France.
in mind that the existing act of Parliament provided for the Mr. ROEBUCK—I said exactly the opposite.
revocation of the certificate in case they should not be con-
Mr. BENTINCK said he further understood the hon. and
ducted in a satisfactory manner,
learned gentleman to express his opinion that, in the event
conducive to the end intended or in one that was not
to be attained. It was
of peace being concluded on the terms of the negotiations,
clear that there must be a periodical inspection and periodical which had been made public, that the results would be that
reports from the inspectors as to the condition is which in a certain number of years Russia would be in possession
those schools were. He agreed with the right hon. gentle- of Constantinople, and our Indian possessions would. be en-
man opposite that those reports ought to be laid before Par-
dangered. He (Mr. Bentiuek) must at once express his de-
liament, and would give directions that they should be sub- cided dissent from these views, and most especially from the
l
mitted to the house as early as possible ; but Parliament latter opinions. (Hear, hear.) He was prepared to pay the
having decided two years ago that this experiment should be
fullest tribute of praise to our gallant ally, during the present
tried through the agency of gentlemen actuated by the most war, and he referred with pride to those
glorious successes
benevolent intentions, who had expended a great deal of which had attended their combined exertions. Busthce"S" was
money with the object of reforming offenders, considering disposed to think it was not altogether to those glorious
sue-
that their efforts had hitherto beenhttended with success, and
cesses the present prospect of peace was to be attributed, and
that they had been instrtiMental in. reclaiming a great reply he further contended that' England unaided by any other
young criminals—not, perhaps, as great a number as that Power was able to crush Russia. He had had occasion,
d
stated by the right hon. gentleman,but which would probably during the recess, to address his constituents, and he then
be as great by this time next year —considering also that 25 stated that the vulnerable part of Russia was her foreign
reformatory schools is Great Britain had been certified under commerce, and yet that no attack had been made to put a
the provisions of the lYth and 18th Vic., sec. 36, in addition
stop to the resources of Russia...in that direction. Ho con-
to those certified under another act of the same session, he tended that the only way to make Russia_feel the blow was to
must say it appeared to him that it would be extremely in-
enforce the right of search, and take immediate and decisive
consistent to interfere with an act that was working upon steps to put an end to that neutrality which had been so
the whole most beneficially, until some further eels...hence profitably turned into account by Prussia during the war.
had been obtained of the effect of its operation. The right That speech had found its way into the newspapers, and since
hon. gentleman had remarked that some of those schools then he had received a variety of communications, from mer-
were very large, while others were small in an equal degree. cantile and other quarters, iu which the writers took the same
Undoubtedly such was the case, but as an experiment it was views ,is he did, and enforced their adoption by very strong
desirable it should be tried in different schools. The object arguments. He might especially allude to an article which
of the inspectors in making an increase was to ascertain appeared in a morning organ which was supposed to express
whether the rules of such institutions were such as to justify the opinions of the noble lord at the head of the Government,
them in the hope that they might be made instrumental in and to which consequently official importance might be at.
carrying into effect the object which Parliament had in view tached- The Lon. and gallant gentleman then read an ex-
n passing that particular act. He did not believe that the tract from a morning paper of the 9th of January in the pre-
righthop gentleman was correct in stating that some of the sent year. The passage referred to was as follows :—" Rus-
schools which had been certified were mere cottages, be- sia is essentially au agricultural country ; her exports con.
cause the employment of such buildings would be inconsistent sist mainly of raw material supplied to manufacturing na-
tions, and her imports largely of articles of luxury. Her ex-
such the safe detention of the young persons sent to
port trade, judging from the quotations of her produce in the
establishments. In connection with this subject he
markets of Memel, Konigsberg, and other places, and from
noticed that there had been a petition presented that night
the extraordinary activity exhibited in the yards of the
by the hon. member for Somersetshire, praying that power
Prussian shipbuilders, we suspect has not been mate.
might be given to county magistrates to unite for the pur-
rially checked ; and even if the imports have suffered in
pose of establishing reformatory schools, to be supported
larger degree, their nature is not such that the want of them
out of the rates. In his (Sir G. Grey's) opinion such schools,
will p
if established, would fail. He did not mean to say that the roduce ruin, although it may, and probably does, create
discontent. An agricultural country is not so capable for ac-
treatment of children at reformatory schools should be strictly
tive aggression as a commercial ono, but it possesses greater
penal; but they must come within the penal enactments of
ability to maintain dogged resistance. We do not, therefore,
the country, and the Government must frame the regulations
look so much to commercial prostration or monetary pressure
under which they wore to be conducted. But such a system
for the means of bringing Russia to reason as to downright
as that prayed for by that petition would take the manage
military and naval attack, threatening her territories with
ment of all reformatory establishments out of the hands of
ravage, and her splendid cities, her rine harbours, and her
those benevolent individuals to whom lie had before referred,
strong places, with destruction. It is fear of military,
and would, therefore, hardly meet the views of the right hon.
not commercial, results which will bring Russia to assent
baronet opposite. Then again he was by no means satisfied
to terms that will satisfy the Allied Powers, and secure
that a permissive power to establish and support such inutitu-
Europe from a revival of aggression. We may thank au
tions out of the county rates would be generally exercised. If
energetic and sagacious Administration that we enter upon
the right hon. baronet put the question to hira, he should say
the now year with our hands full of every means that can be
that under such a system, it must be compulsory upon coon-
devised to carry the next campaign to a triumphant issue."
ties and boroughs to support those institutions as theydid pri-
The remarks of this journal had much more weight attached
eons and lunatic asylums. What had been the result of past
to them than those of any other Loudon paper ; and it was
efforts in that direction ? Two years ago certain gentlemen
worthy of notice that a very short time after the leading
connected with the county of Middlesex obtained au act for
article appeared from which he had read an extract to the
the purpose of establishing a reformatory ; and althonsh the
house, those proposals for peace were made, and. Russia had
powers of that act were not permissive but compulsory, no
come to a snd.den deteminatiedn to
.stop. hostilities. He
satisfactory steps had yet been taken for its establishment.
must declare his belief that the etermination of the Govern-
They were bound by law to establish it within a given time,
went to put an effectual stop to Russian commerce, and the
and a committee of the magistracy had taken measures for its
support which Prussia had given her in developing her trade,
formation ;but though a year and a half had elapsed since
had much to do with the acceptance by Russia of the basis
the act bad passed, nothing practical had as yet been done in
of negotiation.
the matter, while in other counties where no such power
Lord J. RUSSELL said—l rise to correct a piece of mis-
existed, such institutions were much more available. He
apprehension on the part of the right hon. gentleman the
wished, however, to guard himself from saying that, after
member for Droitwichs The right hon. gentleman seems to
the experiment had received a f air trial, the question should
suppose that I intend to move certain resolutions, and that
be precluded from receiving the earnest consideration of
should these be adopted and placed upon the books, then no
Parliament. He had been asked whether the Government
further proceedings shall be taken; and the right hon. gee-
were willing to alter the mode of passing sentence, the act
tleman having got that notion into his head, adds, very
at present prescribing the insertion of the name of a parti-
justly, that resolutions will not educate the people of this
color reformatory establishment to which the boy should
country. But if the right hon. gentleman had reverted both
be sent. It would be very objectionable, indeed, if there
to the ancient precedents of the house, and those of very
were an unlimited jurisdiction vested in the magistrate, and
recent times, he could not but have seen that resole-
he were to have the power of ordering a boy convicted in
tions have been very often introduced into this house as pre-
Cornwall to be placed in a reformatory school in Durham,
paratory and introductOry measures which have afterwards
There must be some limit as to the place ; and if, under the
been adopted by Parliament- It was rather, then,. iwitihthe a
present state of the law, the system should become general,
sepeesseciitothe
view of introducing a subject to Parliament which mig re-
he did not anticipate that any inconvenience would arise,
inasmuch as a magistrate of Devon would naturally send a after be partly controlled by adiuinistratiotno and t paitrtilny
theby
enactment of Parliament, that I proposed to I)
boy convicted before him to the Devon reformatory, or if
any difficulty arose in consequence of overcrowding, the Se-
Tsapeeeright hen. member
hli:many
:tie for 1 : f
point. A
form of resolutions. I am further inducedf
Theratil.Llikaeumtehaits.course
gentleman
tliy.,tish ietniooni
at rtidneicdouni:c speech;
by what happened in the last,
discussion at teriare, s foolf
cretary of State had always power to remove the children to introduced upone the subject
such placesas he deemed most desirable. He was not pre- right hon.
pared. to sayt bat no alteration whatever would be made in education in a most able
lowed for several nisits..
t.. ax.ora.
the law ; but there would be very great objection to repeal
Fiver
bvniell
net ,*
nt hparptephwreospwol
altogether the existing qualifications in the act with reference
to sending boys to reformat:fry schools in the county in which ingsll i,
er shire
out the
s nb jie.Henley)ci.
_ Y obstacles in
his way that if we
house have succeeded in
they had been convicted,ientleman's bill it would have
right hon. occupied every
Mr. MIALL—When you come to consider the question of
juvenile reformatory establishments, you find that you have night,
it. If I were to take that course, continuing the
a great number of children to deal with compared with the passingdiscussion from Wednesday to '
Wednesday,
as opportunity
number of establishments of that description. Only certain
might afford, I should be
little more likely than the right
'isolated cases can be taken in and that only where such in-
hon. gentleman to sucee in
in getting ed legislating on the subject. But
stitutions exist. There was again great difficulty should if the house
these ester devote p
were then to say what general
blishments. He hoped the noble b tronet would ie
more principles on the subject they would approve of, I think it
that this act would be most beneficial, and was renderedbeen done would the
itbecome the business of the Government to take
necessary from the fact of transportation hatvaing
influence the care that measures were prepared on the principles which the
away with. It was of the utmost importanceSthese means they house
. had approved of, and that these measures should pass
minds of young children by kindness. Y:
gulf of sin. Look at with as little delay as possible. I will add that I rejoice at
would raise many children from the
Itedhill. That institution was
under the sanction of the the statement
which has just been made by my right hon.
th h
Government was n e a i b't o f
sending friend the Secretary for the Home Department. lam very
Government, for the Govei
to that institution. The glad. that the Government are to make the Lord President of
children who had been convicted
subscriptions for th°ll. ree years the Council, or some member of the Cabinet, or a Privy Cous-
incounty of Somerset had solicited
in that time Government would take the cillor, the responsible Minister of Education, with a seat in
the hope that once the
to their own .hands.
.this house ; it is an arrangement calculated to a.th
matter in
h. s. NORTHCOTE said that, in connection with this sub- progress of education, and will give satisfaction to all who
S-believed the right hon. gentleman 'who had themselves with the subject throughout the conn-
just concerned
ject, he made in
was aware that during the last fortnight a had try. I believe that great progress has already been
spoken case and the new
rred which showed the necessity of some alteration the country in connection with this subject,
o,oen 'clarets the
the present case. A boy was committed in Dorset- arrangement proposed will tend very much te ac
'clarets
1 As I rose to
obit, to the Devon Juvenile
Reformatory School, after work which still remains to be done. (ffear,ta u the re-
ar ireprieenment of 14 days. The school authorities column- address the house upon this subject, on brtionssa g
ipu co
niaited with the magistrates that they had no room, steps port upon the Address, I may be lievieedd at tl3l-: tone onfuen.
were &ken to put him in some other school but it was said Con with it, that I was very much gratitil
appears to tll5
that
that he e.ould not be placed in any other school until he had discussion of last evening. (Hear. 1
)be of pnblie affai me
ma
been admitted into the Devon School to which he had been however arduous the situation of the House of Cl's' never
committed. was there a time when the feeling
t time. W oro.mons
01 must wait
Lord R. GIRPSVENOR----The Secretary for the Home Dee was more pleasing than at the presso
-, fnwhich her
partment had alluded to the bill brought forward by himself for the event of the negotiations,
but at
the lajesty
has
same time we
for the establisheont of those schools. His right hon. friend been pleased to give "in t" ne
_O prepara ion sary for the effectual
was mistaken in thirikirear that no steps had been taken to ought to omit no
until these negotiations arc te
war
carry out its object. NoOlng but the difficulty experienced carrying on of til.ith
e erg that I will only hop that rnainsted.
e those opera-
in obtaining a site had presented its being in a very favour- Let me Say, +u 1 which at one •
Cons at SebastoPo . time were attended
able state of forwardness, o much privation, and at another with, so much
Sir W. JOLLIFFE said there seemed an anomaly in the with
but at all times with the highest qualitiei of human
prison law, that magistrates slusuld sentence children to any glom
ure c -as heers)--1 do trust that th© exertions de in the
not
school, and that school refuse to receive them, of that fortress will be noticed by us in some
Mr. B. M. M said ILNES 'that if six years ago this bill had capture
that
a regular manner, and we shall hear before long my noble
been carried, many thousand would have been saved from
friend( the First Minister, or some member of the Govern-
criminal life. b- ment, giving notice of his intention to move a vote of thanks
Mr. ADDERLEY regretted that such an important su
d at present, on the part of this house in acknowledgment of these exploits.
ject as this should have been brought forward
dhe was (Hear, hear.) I need not say more. The house have in their
The act had been most successful in its operation, "n
mind how
d isgreat
to this country, min ow and how noble have been those exertions a
sure no act had been of greater advantage . . f
Parliament
established in many 0 them were splendid, but many others were performed
Since that act 25 reformatory schools bad
rto dol. in the midst of the dark and snowy nights of winter, and cam
this kingdom. There was nothing for the.
a object. lio hoped
,liaTe ne reward than net •,5 might corarey the feeling!
but to iacreeoe the gnat they gar fort__ . . _ other_ __ ..__. . ..... _. ... ._ ____ , ..• .•
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