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perly, and that they did not aid the most needy and the
most urgent cases.

Sir G. LEWIS opposed the clause, on the ground that it
would make no difference in the present state of things.
Mr. DEEDES defended the commissioners, who, he
said, had done all they could to augment small livings
throughout the country. With regard to the increase of
the stipend of the Dean of York, he might say that per-
sonally he was of opinion that Parliament ought to have
been consulted in the matter, but a majority of the com
missioners thought otherwise.
Mr. SPOONER thought the grant to the Dean of York
was not justifiable, while incumbents with families were
starving upon £BO a year. (Hear, hear.)
Sir J. GRAHAM said;that there had been a considerable
augmentation of livings in the diocese of Carlisle, in conse-
quence of the e • ertions of Dr. Villiers, the late bishop. He
altogether disapproved of the augmentation of the income
of the Dean of York under the circumstances, and was of
opinion that it ought to have been brought before Parlia-
ment.

Mr. HENLEY thought that the augmentation of the
salary of the Dean of York would shake public confidence
in the commission. (Hear, hear.)

After some remarks from Mr. WESTREJD and Mr.
GRIFFITH, the committee divided—

Fer the clause
Against it
Majority
The clause was lost.
One or two clauses having been added, the bill passe.
through committee, and was ordered to be reported to the
house.

The sitting was suspended at a quarter to four.

The house resumed at six o'clock.
HINDOO GRIEVANCES
Mr. BRIGHT presented a petition from the Native As
sociation of Calcutta, complaining of the Indian Legislative
Council, which they said did not represent the views, the
wishes, or the wants of the people; was numerically too small
to get through its work, and was composed exclusively of
officials. They prayed that no court where English law
was administered might remain without a professionally
educated judge or assessor. They pointed out that notwith-
standing the royal proclamation they could find no entrance
into the civil service, if they were required to come to Eng-
land to be educated and pass their examination. They com-
plained of the land tenure ; and while approving of Lord
restoration of the talookdaree system in Oude,
they expressed their belief that much good would be done
by the extension of a permanent tenure. They concluded
by praying that their earnest petition might not be laid
aside as needless or unworthy of attention.
DOCKYARD LABOURERS.
Sir F. BARING gave notice that on the motion for the
adjournment to-morrow he would call attention to the case
of the established dockyard labourers, and ask the Secre-
tary of the Admiralty a question as to the course which the
Government intended to pursue with regard to the super-
annuation of these persons.
THE INDIA-OFFICE AND THE WAR-OFFICE.
In reference to a question by Sir DE L. Everts,
Sir C. WOOD said the hon. and gallant general had
made an inquiry with regard to some military stores which
had been sent out without the sanction of the India-office.
A letter was written on the subject to the War-office on
the 12th of May, to which the India-office had as yet re-
ceived no reply. (A laugh.) His right hon. friend (Mr.
S. Herbert) had stated the other night that he had
addressed a letter to the India-office in November last
to which he had received no answer—(laughter)—and
the hon. member for Birmingham took notice of the
fact, remarking that it was in the usual fashion of the
India-house. (Mr. Bright, "Hear, hear.") Taken literally,
the statement of hie right hon. friend was quite correct.
No answer was sent, and the reason was a committee had
been appointed to inquire into the mode of supplying stores
to India. The letter was laid before the commissioners ;
the whole subject was fully investigated, and a report was
made to the effect that colonels of regiments ought to make
their requisitions to the local authorities instead of home.
(Hear, hear.) The subject having been considered and put
upon a proper footing there was no need to reply to the card-
munication of his right hon. friend ; and the inference
which had been drawn from the right hon. gentleman's
statement, namely; that there had been some neglect at the
India-office, was quite unfounded.
THE FORTIFICATION VOTE.
Mr. BRIGHT—I beg to give notice that on Monday
next, when the house goes into committee on the resolu-
tion which has been proposed by the noble lord on the sub-
ject of fortifications, I shall move as an amendment the fol-
lowing resolution :—" That the estimates for military and
naval services which have been laid before this house during
the present session amount to the sum of £29,700,000,
which sum the house has voted, or is prepared substantially
to vote, and a further sum of £3,800,000 has been voted on
account of military and naval expenditure of China. That
having regard to these large sums, this house resolves to
postpone the consideration of the report of the Defence
Commissioners till a future period."
THE PAPER DUTY.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER—I beg to
give notice with respect to the customs duty on paper, that
her Majesty's Government will 'make the proposal which
they have placed upon the books on Monday NI eek. (Loud
cries of " Oh, oh.")
Mr. BRIGHT—May I ask a question of the right hon.
gentleman a :th regard to the proposed duty on spirits ? Is
it bis intention to ask the house to enact that duty perma-
nently, or only for a year ? Having reference to recent
transactions, that is an important consideration. (Hear.)
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER—The pro-
posal of the Government was for saermanent addition to
the spirit duty. Of course it quite competent to
any hon. gentleman who may think fit, to move in commit-
tee that it be only for a year.
Mr. BRIGHT—The right hon. gentleman does not un-
derstand my question. I do not mean that the addition
shall not be a permanent one, that is so long as spirit duties
exist ; but what I want to know is whether in the bill the
tax will be made an annual one so as to come under the re-
view of the house next session ? (Hear.) I presume that
that is the course which the house will take in future with
regard to new taxes.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER—The
question is mere extensive than I thought. The bill is
without any limit, and would have the effect of imposing
the tax permanently. (Opposition cheers.)
TERMINABLE ANNUITIES.
Sir F. KELLY asked the First Lord of the Treasury
whether, in the event of a loan being effected upon Termi-
nable Annuities, it was the intention of the Government to
introduce a provision in the bill to modify the scale of charge
in respect of the income tax upon any annuities so granted.
Lord PALMERSTON did not quite understand the point
on which the hon. gentleman required information, He
apprehended that they could only take into consideration
the market value of the securities at the time.
Mr. HUBBARD asked the Secretary of State for the
Home Department, what were the rates at which he esti-
mated the interest attaching severally to the Three per Cont.
Consolidated Annuities and to the Thirty Years Annuities,
given in consideration for the loan of 16 millions which he
made as Chancellor of the Exchequer in April, 1855.
Sir G. C. LEWIS was not prepared to give the hon. gen-
tleman a perfectly direct answer to his question, on account
of the manner in which the loan was contracted, but he
would give him the best in his power. He assumed that
the loan of £16,000,000 made in April, 1855, might have
been raised at £88; and as the price of Console was £9O,
that only allowed £2 for risk, which was a very moderate
allowance in time of war. The interest payable on the
money so raised would thus have been about £3 Bs. per £lOO
sterling. The remaining £l2 (the difference between £BB
and £100) would represent an annuity of lie. 6d. for thirty
years, or of 9s. in perpetuity. The interest payable on that
portion of the loan which was contracted in annuities might
therefore be taken at about £3 15s. per cent. ; and therefore
the difference of interest between the two proportions of the
loan was the difference between £3 Bs. and £3 15s. All this,
however, in consequence of the manner in which the bid-
dings were received, was a matter of calculation, and not of
statement; but the present prices of the two descriptions of
security was a matter of fact. The present price of the an-
nuity was £l6i. There wore 25 years unexpired, and this
gave an interest on the annuity of a 18s. 6d., which in-
cluded £2 10s. of sinking fund ; in other words, the net in-
terest was £3 Bs. 6d. per £lOO sterling. That was a fact
which the hon. gentleman could not dispute. The present
interest on Consols was £3 es., and thus the difference was
not more than 2s. 6d.
Mr. HUBBARD gave notice that he would to-morrow
(this day) again call attention to the subject.
SICILY.
Mr. GRI FFITH asked the Secretary of State for Foreign
Affairs, whether any proposition had been made to her Ma-
jesty's Government by the Special Envoy of the Neapolitan
Government lately arrived here, that the English Govern-
ment should join with the other powers in imposing and en-
Dyeing, by the means at thei: command, an armistice for
six months between the Neapolitan Government and the
Sicilian Government under General Garibaldi, and whether
her Majesty's Government had any intention of entertain-
ing- any such proposition.
Lord J. RUSSELL—Before I answer this question I must
complete an answer which I gave the hon. gentleman the
other clay. The hon. gentleman asked me whether an envoy
had been sent by the King of Sardinia to Garibaldi ; and
what was the purport of the message which he carried ? I
said that an aide-de-camp had been sent, but I could not
then tell the hon. gentleman what was the nature of his
message. I have since been informed from Turin that the
message which was sent was from the king of Sar-
dinia to Garibaldi, proposing to him to make a truce with
the Neapolitan forces, and that he should engage not to
make my expedition against the territory of the King of
the T Sicilies on the mainland. That message is en-
tirely in conformity with the opinion which ber Majesty's
Government has expressed before. With regard to the
present question of the hon. member, I have to state that
it is true a special envoy has arrived from the Neapolitan
Government; and they have proposed to her Majesty's
Government that her Majesty's Government mediate be.
tween the King of the Two Sicilies and Garibaldi; and
that if that mediation for the purpose of an armistice, and
for preventing a further attack upon the territories of the
King of Naples should not be received by Garibaldi, a
force should be sent from Great Britain and France with a

view to impose the armistice upon Garibaldi. To that
proposition her Majesty's Government have declined to

consent. (Loud cheers.)
THE CONSOLIDATION BILLS.

In answer to ➢Zr. HADFIELD,
Lord PALMERSTON said there were two courses which
might be adopted with reference to the bills that had come
down from the Lords for the consolidation of the criminal
law. They might on the one hand consider them clause by
clause; in which case it would be hopeless ever to arrive at
any consolidation at all. On the other hand, the house
might be disposed to take upon trust the accuracy of the
consolidation, and pass the bills in confidence. If it should
afterwards be found on examination that they required
amendment they might take them up separately in a future
session. Probably in the course of a week he should ask
the house which course they intended to pursue.