The Sun.
London, England, 1860-08-03 00:00:00

ISLE OF MAN.

Sir E. GROGAN moved an address for copy of any cor-
respondence between the Secretary of State for the Home
Department and the Lieutenant-Governor of the Isle of
Man, relative to the removal of the official residence of the
latter from Castletown to Douglas.—Ordered.
THE NEW FOREIGN-OFFICE.

Mr. C. BENTINCK asked the First Commissioner of
Works whether there would be any objection to exhibit
photographs of the Ca. Yendramin-Calergi, the Scuola S.
Marco, and the Church of S. Zaccaria, at Venice, in order
to show good examples of the style of architecture which
Mr. Scott now proposes to adopt for the New Foreign-
office. _ . .

Mr. COWPER said that it would be inconvenient to
exhibit the photographs in question at present.
GARIBALDI.

Sir G. BOWYER asked the Secretary of State for Fo-
reign Affairs whether Govemment had received
any information that the inhabitants of Melazzo
resisted the attack of the revolutionary movement, and
that Garibaldi, having taken possession of the
town, punished Lliirty-übie inhabitants for having fought
against him in defence of their Sovereign.
Lord J. RUSSELL said he had no official information
on the subject.

PUBLIC BUSINESS.
Lord PALMERSTON moved that the standing order of
the 25th of June, 1852, relative to orders of the day, be

read and repealed, and, in lieu thereof, moved that, unless
the house should otherwise direct, all orders of the day
set down in the Order-book for Mondays, Wednes-
days, and Thursdays should be disposed of before the house
proceeded upon any motions of which notices had
been given. That the said resolution be a standing order
of this house. The noble lord said that he did not know
whether the practice which had been resorted to lately was

in accordance with the spirit and principle of the
constitution of the house, namely, of bringing

forward a variety of questions on the motion on Friday for

the adjournment to Monday. He thought the privilege
which hon. members enjoyed in regard to this mattor
had been carried a little too far. (Hear, hear.)
After some conversation the motion was agreed to.

FORTIFICATIONS AND WORKS.
The house again went into committee on the vote for

£2,000,000 for fortifications and works moved by Lord

Palmerston.

Mr. LINDSAY moved the following amendment :
" That, as the main defence of Great Britain against ag-
gression depends on an efficient navy, it is not expedient to
enter into a large expenditure on permanent land fortifica-
tions." The hon. member said that if they adopted the re-

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commendation of the Defence Committee it would involve

the country in a much larger expenditure than was gene-
rally understood. These expenses for military defences would
be increased to £17,000,000, and that amount, if capitalised,
would at the end of a certain time amount to £50,000,000.
Re denied that the arguments adduced in behalf of
the increased expenditure proposed was satisfactory.
The noble lord (Palmerston) had stated that there
were circumstances in the present position of France that
justified that expenditure. The hon. member then quoted
extracts from the speech of Lord Palmerston relative to

the increase in the military and naval preparations
of the Emperor of France, which the noble lord contended
were not necessary for the defence of France. Against
that statement he would place the letter addressed by the
Emperor of the French, to his Minister in England,
in which he asserted that he had every desire to preserve
the most friendly relations with all his allies,
particularly England, and disclaimed any aggressive
designs in his military and naval preparations. Now, he
(Mr. Lindsay) believed that statement—(oh, oh)—and that
the army of the Emperor of the French was not larger than
what he considered necessary for the protection of Franco.
The hon. member denounced the proposed increase in very
strong terms.
Mr. H. BERKELEY seconded the amendment in a
humorous speech.
Mr. S. HERBERT, who, in consequence of his fre-
quently turning his back to the reporters and speaking to
the members behind him, Was very indistinctly heard
in the gallery, observed that the two speeches in which the
amendment had been moved and supported, required som e
notice from him. In the first place, he thought his gallant
friend behind him was somewhat too credulous as to the
state of preparation in which this country was, and espe-
cially as to the present condition of the ordnance, when he
depended upon the statements of a French officer. His
gallant friend said that he had met a French officer who
told him that all our ships were about to be armed with
smooth bored guns. while France had 600 rifled guns in her
fleet. Now, that statement he (Mr. S. Herbert) could meet
with a direct denial. In the first place, he did not believe
that France had got 600 rifled guns on board her ships.
They had, he knew, rifled a considerable number of cast-
iron guns, and it happened to them as it happened to us, that
whenever those guns came to be tested as guns ought to be
tested that wero intended for real service, they failed. (Hear,
hear.) The consequence of such failure was that France had
now taken a different course, and no doubt, would, in the
end, succeed in making excellent rifled guns. Then said
his gallant friend, this French officer asked where was Sir
W. Armstrong and his guns ? and his gallant friend added,
quoting the opinion of the right hon, and gallant officer op-
posite (General Peel), as to the excellence of the Armstrong
gun, that they would shortly be produced in such numbers
that they would very soon altogether displace the existing
armaments. " Great is Armstrong, and Peel, is his pro-
phet." Now he (Mr. S. Herbert) could inform his gallant
friend that the Armstrong had been delivered at the rate of
12 guns a week. [An HoN. MEMBER, " What size ?"l
45. [Sir C. NA.PrhR-" 'What weight ?"] He could not tell
the weight, but they would soon have 80-pounders. Besides
these they had now 12 batteries of rifled cannon manned
and horsed complete, numbering 71 guns. (Hear, hear.)
Ile ment'oned these facts to dispel misapprehensions that
big abroad that the Ordnance department
wearse
ing°
an
inefficient state, and that we were
was
to lose the advantages which these great scientific in-
ventions in the art of gunnery were calculated to give.
(Hear.)
The hon. gentleman (Mr. Lindsay) said that inva-
sion
was impossible—that it would be useless for less than
100,000 men to eorae, if they came at all ; and that if they
succeeded in effecting ;a landing, not one of them would ever