The Sun.
London, England, 1869-06-29 00:00:00

TH tit!) Olrri()N

The Third Edition of " The Sun " of last Evening was
published in time for delivery in town at 7.15 p.m.

SUN OFFICE, 7 o'CLock.

IMPER. 2ARLIA ENI

HOUSE OF LORDS—This E VEXING.

The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat on the woolsack
at five o'clock.

THE IRISH CHURCH BILL.

The Earl of DERBY presented five petitions against
the passing of this bill.

Lc rd LONGFORD presented similar petitions, one being
particu'ar',y against tho 67th clause.

The hous.3,at a quarter past five, was not by any means
so folly attonded as on the occasion of the second reading
of th.• Lii. Amongst. those iu front of the throne was Mr.
Gladston,,, aLd shortly after the Premier took up his posi-
tion, Earl Granville, the leader of the Ministerial side,
entered, supper hug himself en cruteln.s.

O❑ the mut on that the house go intu committee on this
bill,

The Earl of DENBIGH en'ered into a general defence
of the Roman Catholics of Ireland from the charges that
had been made against them, and said that they did
not agree to the proposition that was about to
be made to the house for the planing them on an
equality with every other portion of her Majesty's sub-
jects. lie thought that the proposal was a most gene-
rous one, but he personally should have had much plea-
sure had the Government determined to deal with
the land question before they took into their considera-
tion the position of the Irish Church. John Bull had
had two marriages; by the• first he had left a
Catholic family, and by the second a Protestant one ; and
as these marriages generally result, the first get the rod,
whilst those of the second get all the pleasure; in other
words, one gets the klcks, the other the halfpence. The
Catholics of Ireland were not insensible to kindness,
but there was that which they entertained more attach-
ment to than the Crown and loyalty, and that was an in-
terest in their religious duty. It had been said that in
voting for the present bill the Catholics were voting
against their principles, but he could not assent to that.
The Roman Catholics regarded the bill as a real act of
justice, as it removed the badge of conquest and abolished
Protestant ascendancy.
The house then went into committee on the bill.

On the motion that the preamble be poatFoned,
Earl GREY objected most strenuously to such a pro-
posal, as the preamble referred to the disposal of the
surplus and other matters, with respect to
which notice had been given of amendments.
It was said that the great object the Government had in
view in pressing forward the bill was to restore happi-
ness to a great portion of the Roman Catholic subjects
of her Majesty in Ireland, but he could not
think that the object would be obt ►ined by stripping
the Established Church in Ireland of every farthing it
possessed, beyond that with which the bare necessaries
were to be supplied. He strongly objected to various
parts of the bill, more particularly the 68th claase, which
carried out the diseedowment of the Church most
thoroughly, but he colitended the proper course to adopt
was to discuss what was to be done with the surplus pro-
porty of the Church before they proceeded to discuss what
the other provisions of the bill were. The time had now
arrived when it was most important that they should say
whether they were going to adopt the voluntary principle,
because by the many statements that bad been made it
could not be clearly ascertained what was proposed to bo
done. He could not say, from what he had been able to
learn with respect to the voluntary principle, that the
position of the Church in the United States showed the
benellt of such a step ; on the contrary, if there had
been any doubt at all with respect to the advantage
of a State support Wing given to the Church, that doubt
would at once disappear when the matter was tested by
the position of the Church in Amer:ca.
REPT SPEAKING. I

HOUSE OF COMMONS—Tins
The SPEAKER took the chair at two o'clock.
DIPRISONMENT FOR DEBT BILL.

On this bill being considered, the ATTORNEY-
GENERAL moved the insertion of a clause making the
act applicable to the Vexatious Indictment Act, and to
provide for the case of a justice of the pace becoming
bankrupt or arranging with his creditor, in which event
he should become incapable as a justice of the peace for
five years.
The now clauses were agreed to.

Mr. Sergeant SIMON moved the omiss!on of the first
paragraph in clause 5, which instituted en entire new sys-
tem of risorude rise. The enaet.m.r.-6-r--. oo lltch CLsuse
permne a man a hbeity, for the proviso, as it stood on
affidavit, might be cooked up in an attorney's office be-
hind the unfoitinat, lulu's back, [rid thus he might be
kept in prison for the spare of 40 dot s.
The AT FORNEY-GENERAL opposed the mo•ion.
Tho cause had 13,-en discussed throe times by tho house
in committee, and the objtct of it w.ts merely to sustain
the county court juriidiction which was eitended by the
bill to the superiar courts. If the clause was ornAted lie
thought they might as well give up the bill and take no
further trouble in the matter.

Mr. HADFIELD thought it would be worth the while
of the custodians of the public revoLue to pay many of the
mis-rable debts of a few shillings for which people might
be sent to prison under this act, rather than incur the
expense of maintaining the poor creatures in prison for
the term set out iu the act.
After a short discussion the propos:tion was negativA.
Several other amendments having been discussed, the
bill was ultimately ordered to be real r third time.