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auditing the accounts was defective, and made eartain re-
commendations in order to remedy that state of things.
The audit of the army and navy estimates was satisfactory,
but when they came to the civil service estimates they found
the case quite different. In that department they had a
board which was independent of the Government, holding
office like judges ' for life, and invested with very large
powers. In the miscellaneous estimates over L 2,000,000 was
expended without being audited by the commissioners. The
right hen. baronet proceeded at some length to point out
the existing defects in regard to the audit of the civil service
estimates, and again urged on the house the propriety of
placing his motion on their records.
Mr. LAING said that in reality the difference between
the right hon. baronet and the Government was a very
small one. After the report of the select committtee on
public moneys, there could be no doubt that the audit de-
partment required improvement. (Hear, hear.) On the
principle therefore they were agreed, but there were prac-
tical difficulties which had to be surmounted before im-
provement could be effected. The accounts of the army
and navy services were reckoned up at the end of each
financial year, while several of those of the civil service
were remaining over for a considerable number of years.
Mr. WILLIAMS supported the amendment, and con-
tended that under the present system there was no security
of the public money being honestly expended.

After some discussion,
Sir G. LEWIS said he did not see how the Government
could oppose the amendment, nor was he aware of any in-
superable difficulty in making the improvements necessary
at the audit office.

Ultimately the amendment was agreed to without a
division.

CHARITABLE COMMISSIONERS, &c. (IRELAND)

Mr. HASSARD called the attention of the house to the
constitution of the Board of Commissioners of Charitable
Donations and Bequests in Ireland ; and he asked the
Chief Secretary for Ireland if he could and would take
measures to insure the attendance of a quorum of such
Commissioners at reasonably frequent periods, so that busi-
ness could be transacted ?

Mr. CARDWELL said that he would adopt the nem&
sary steps in regard to this matter.

SUPPLY.

The house then went into committee of supply.
On the vote of £100,440 for the maintenance and keeping
in repair the Royal parks,
k;ir J. SHELLEY asked for some information relative to
the Serpentine, and to the sum of £l,BOO for draining

Ricilimond F ark. He also looked with some distrust on a

vote of X 750 for a railing in the ride inKensingtonGardens,
and in order to obtain some explamtion on these matters he
would move that the vote be reduced by that amount.

Mr" WILLIAMS drew attention to the sum in the votes
of £S,OOO for Regent's Park, which he considered a very
large sum for the purpose to which it was to be applied.
Mr. A. SMITH complained that iron hurdles had been

erected in different parts of the parks, and that portions of
the parks were encroached on for enclosures. He contended
also that the parka were not in the condition they should be,
considering the money that had been voted for them.
Mr. HUGUESSON called the hon. gentleman to order.
He said that by a recent resolution of the house they
must confine themselves to the discussion of the specific
item before proceeding to the consideration of another.

Lord J. MANNERS said that unless the new ride were

made a continuation of Rotten-row it would be quite use-
less for public convenience. The noble lord drew atten-
tion to different defects in connection with the parks.
Mr. MALINS said that the ride was not of any great
value, and so unpopular, that he believed if they polled all
the parishes west of the Haymarket they would find the

majority against it. (Cries of "No, no.") As far as his

experience went that was the case, and four out of five of
those with whom he conversed on the subject were strongly
opposed to the ride.

Mr. COWPER said, with respect to the £750 for iron
railings, that amount was to be appropriated to three dif-
ferent services. One of these was for the removal of a por-
tion of the brick wall in the gardens. That was the por-
tion of the wall which ran next from the alcove to the place
where the railing began. Another part of the money was for
a gate, and the remaining £250 was to provide hurdles for the
ride. (Hear, hear, and oh, oh.) He believed that not only
the upper classes, but most of the respectable tradesmen and
workmen, were in favour of the ride. Now, the real ques-
tion was whether the public should be admitted as readily
as before. He contended that there was no reason why
they should not be thrown open to persons who were de-
sirous of taking exercise on horseback as well as to pedes-
trians, provided no inconvenience was caused thereby to the
latter. It was stated by some persons that they desired
quiet and retirement, which were interfered with by the

ride ; but the gardens were spacious enough to enable them
to enjoy retirement in other parts of them. He thought
that publicity, not privacy, was to be considered the -most

useful in respect to these gardens. From the hours when
the working classes were employed during the week days,
they could not visit the gardens at the time the
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ride in Kensington-gardens was used by equestrians,
and on Sundays when they could attend at such
hours of the day persons on horseback were excluded
from the gardens. This matter had assumed a factious
importance from having been taken up by five vestries in
the neighbourhood of Kensington, who seemed to consider
that the parks were under their special jurisdiction. To
show that such a feeling was entertained, the right hon.
gentleman said that in the parish of Marylebone resolutions
had been passed at different times in reference to the parks.

On one of these occasions it had been recommended that

Lord Llanover should be prosecuted, and on another it was
stated that the place of his successor would be rendered too
hot to hold him. (Laughter.) He hoped, however, that
the house would decide on the merits of the question, and
not be led away by what had occurred at these vestries.
Sir J. SHELLEY altered his amendment by substitut-
ing the sum of £250 for £750, as the amount by which the
vote was to be reduced.

Mr. A. MILLS opposed the amendment and expressed
his opinion that the right hon. gentleman (Mr. Cowper)
would not give way to the agitation that had been raised
on this subject.
Mr. H. SEYMOUR followed on the same side, and as-
serted that the agitation was purely of a local and vestry
character.
General PEEL also opposed the amendment.
After a few words from Mr. J. LOCKE and Mr. SPOONER,
the house divided.
For the amendment

Against it 7l
Majority —23
Lord J. MANNERS enquired if the works would be
completed for the annual estimate.
Mr. COWPER said they would be finished for even a

less amount.
Colonel DUNN drew attention to the extent to which
the country was taxed for metropolitan improvements, and
said that Ireland had to pay 59,000,000. (Cries of" order,"
in the midst of which the hon. and gallant member resumed
his seat.)
The house suspended sitting at 10 minutes to 4 o'clock.

The house resumed at 6o'clock.
FINANCES OF INDIA.
Sir C. WOOD gave notice to move, on Monday, in com-
mittee of the whole house, to enable the Secretary of State
for India to raise a sum not exceeding three millions for the
service of the Indian Government.
Sir C. WOOD then moved that on Monday the house
should resolve itself into committee to consider the expe-
diency of raising that amount.—Agreed to.
. In answer to Mr. J. B. SMITII,
Sir C. WOOD stated that arrangements were in progress
for obtaining some concession of territory from the Nizam
of Hyderabad ; and that as 130C11 as possession of the land
was obtained the necessary steps would be taken for im-
proving the navigation of the river Godavery.
THE FERMANAGH GRAND JURY.
Mr. GRIFFITH asked the Chief Secretary for Ireland
whether 12 out of the 23 grand jurors of the county of Fer-
managh hallately signed and preseatedanaddress to Cllief
Justice Monaghan, repudiating some advice which he had
given in his charge against party emblems and banners, by
the use in such address of the following terms, " that they
firmly believe that, unless owing to the remarks of his lord-
ship, no possible collision could occur between parties of
different creeds of this county," and that " his lordship's
stricteres would only lead to a more determined stand upon
their legal rights ore the part of the Protestants, and to an
aggravated idea of ;moral injury on that of their Catholic
fellow-countrymen ;;-" whether at Londonderry and Ennis-
killen Orange flags had not been hoisted and party tunes
played by the bells rof the churches during the presence of
Chief Justice Monaghan and Baron Hughes at the duties
of the assize ; and, iif so, whether in the opinion of Govern-
ment, gentlemen who could offer such an address to ajudge
.of assize, and thereb:v encourage such party proceedings on
a judicial occasion, b ave shown themselves to be fit to be
entrusted with the o immission of peace in Ireland ?
Captain ARCIIDALL moved the adjournment of the
house, in order to make a statement on the subject. He
thought the rebuke which the right hon. gentleman (Mr.
Griffith) had received the other night from Lord J. Russell
would have satisfied him for the rest of the session; but it
appeared that the hon. 'member's desire for notoriety was
still operating. As having been foreman of the grand jury
of Fermanah, he wished t o state what had really taken place.
Fermanagh was one of th a roost peaceable counties in Ireland.. All the principal officers sof the county were Roman Catholics, including the
clerk
lerk of th e crown, the chairman of the quar-
ter
1(5218, the inspect or of prisons, and the deputy-in-
spector-general
their
cOnsta bulary. Both the judges of assize,
together with
staffs, were also Roman Catholics.
Though essentially. a Protestant county, the county of Fer-
managh had nehveerenq
uBeairAlled with those appointments, the
officers having
'...l3ted for their efficiency, not on ac-
count of their religion. e
hatYthtlele statement of Chief Justice
Monaghan, it speared t
vatisrfimes were few in number,
and light. He said it was
to find such a state
things at that time of the year,
"ie. crimes of a serious
character were undergoing invoatigatlon elsewhere. He
found that the 12th of July had passed
off
peace r,.her.fec et
peace and quietness, no party feeling had
No insult had been given to the Roman Catholics, andtyed.et
this was the occasion when Chief Justice Monaghan had
selected to tell the Protestants of Fermanagh that though
they had kept within the letter of the law, they had acted
iontrary to its spirit by the exhibition of certain flags—.