The Sun.
London, England, 1869-07-16 00:00:00

THE WEST INDIA MAILS.

Mr. ;MONSELL said the steps for the combination of
the Leeward with the Windward Islands had not yet been
arranged. The packet station, it had been decided, to
keep at St. Thomas, and with respect to the arrangement
with the Jamaica Government relative to the landing of
the International Ocean Telegraph New York Company,
that was yet under consideration.
THE NABERTH UNION.
Mr. GOSCHEN said it was the practice of the Guar-
dians to put refractory vagrants into sacks instead of ne-
cessary clothing prior to their discharge, but the Poor
Law Board had intimated to the Master that ha would be
suspended if proper clothing was not supplied.
THE IRISH CHURCH BILL.

On the order of the day being read for consideration of
the Lords' amendments to this bill,
Mr. GLADSTONE rose, and was received with im-

mense cheering, he said in moving that the Lords' amend-

ments be tak,n into consideration, he should avoid mak-
ing any general statement as to the character of those
amendments. The first a►uendment, that to the preamble,
he should move that the house disagree to it -(loud
cheers)—the second, th•tt with respect to the alteration
of the date, he should move that the original date be re-
stored—(cheers) —the third, with respect to curates,
he should move that that be disagreed to, but he should
move a certain modification iu the original proposition
then the fourth, that with respect to the tax on clerical

incomes, he should move that the house disagree to that
—(loud cheers)—the fifth, that of the 20th clause, with re-
spect to protection to annuitants, he should move that the
house disagree to that—(cheers)—the sixth, that with re-
spect to the 14 years' commutation, he should move that
that also be disagreed to, but he should move a modifica-
tion, the nature of which he would state at the proper
time; the seventh, that affecting glebes, he should move
to disagree to that -(cheers)—the eighth, that with re-
spect to the Ulster glebes or royal grants, he should move
to disagree to that--(cheers) -the ninth, the deduction for
poor-rates, he should move to disagree to that; the tenth,
that with respect to the residuary property or surplus, he
should move to disagree with that—(loud cheers)—and the
new clause, enacting that which was called concurrent en-
dowment, he should move to strike that out altogether
(Immense cheering.) Without making any further ob-
servations the right hon. gentleman resumed his seat.
Mr. DISRAELI, who was received with loud cheers
from his supporters, complained of the brief manner in
which the right hon. gentleman had announced tae inten-
tions of the Government with respect to the amendments
made to the bill in the other house. It appeared to him
that the intention of the right hon. gentleman was to ad-
vise the house generally to entirely disagree with the
amendments made by the House of Lords. He thedght
that such a course was most objectionable, the more espe-
cially as the right hon. gentleman had deviated most mate-
rially from his abstract principles ; and the question for the
house to determine was which was the more satisfactory
the deviation to which he had alluded or the amendments
that had been made in another place. He thought the first
and most important division was that which would be
taken on the first amendment, that on the preamble ; and
he hoped that the decision come to would prevent hon
gentlemen on his side troubling the house more than was
necessary. (Hear, hear.)

Mr. GLADSTONE then proceeded to move that the
house disagree to the amendment of the preamble. The
concurrent endowment, of which there had been so much
talk of late, was not the plan or policy which had
received the sanction of any great statesman.
The idea of Mr. Pitt was the creating a

real Roman Catholic Hierarchy, precisely similar
to that of the Established Church, endowed and controlled
by the State, and this certainly was not the concurrent en-
down,ent that was proposed now. The concurrent
endowment now put forth was something en-
tirely new—(loud cheers) —and was altogether a piece
of political superstition. (Loud cheers.) After the
House of Commons deliberately considered the whole
provisions of the measure they placed the preamble to the
bill as the seal to the act, and that after the most solemn
and momentous deliberation—(hear)—and that being so
by that deliberate act they were entirely prevented from
giving their assent to what was called concurrent endow-
ment. The right hon. gentleman then alluded to the dif-
ferent position which members of that house occupied by
the voice of the country, a position, he said, the House
of Lords knew no more about than a man in
a balloon. (Loud laughter.) He then went on to allude
to the importance of keeping the preamble of the bill, such
as it was when it left that house, as it was, in fact a
solemn covenant with which ho hoped the house would
say they were not prepared to tamper. (Loud cheers.)
The right hon. gentleman said what they proposed now
with respect to the surplus was, that in the event of her
Majesty in Council issuing an order for the appro-
priation of any part of the surplus before any further
legislation should take place, such order should be laid
before Parliament if it be sitting within 14 days, or if not
sitting within 14 days of its assembling, and that such
order shall not come into force until it has been considered
by Parliament. He entreated the house after they had
consumed two years of the life of the nation in
the discussion of this great and solemn question
not to hand down to those who had to come
such a great subject of contention, or such
fuel for future conflagration when Irish matters were
under discussion as to the disposal of the surplus. The
hon. gentleman concluded by moving that the house dis-
agree with the amendment to the preamble.
Mr. DISRAELI reduced the matter to a very simple
issue—whether there was any satisfactory proposition
made to the house for the appropriation of the surplus of
the funds of the Irish Church, and whether it was not
better to allow the question to rest until both Houses of
Parliament had had more time to consider the whole ques-
tion. The amendment of the Lords to the preamble—re-
serving as it did to the Houses of Parliament the right to
apply the funds of the Church as they might hereafter
direct—was to his mind pregnant with good sense, and
eminently deserving of adoption.
The house then divided, and the words moved to be
re-inserted in the preamble by Mr. Gladstone were so re-
inserted by 346 to 222 votes.
The other portions of the Lords' amendments to the
clause giving residences to the clergy and ministers of the
Roman Catholic and Presbyterian communities wore re-
jected, and the debate was adjourned till this day.
The orders on the paper were rapidly run through, and
the house adjourned at an early hour this morning.

Bank of England Returns.

An Account, pursuant to ti
cap. 32, for the week ending 1
ISSUE DV

the Act 7th and Bth Victoria
Wednesday, July 14, 1869.
P ART MENT.
Governmt. Debt £11,015,100
Other Securities 3,984,900
Gold Coin and
Bullion
Silver Bullion

Notes issued .„.X33,748,905

£33,748,905
BANKING D

£33,748,905

Proprietors' Capi-
tal £14,503,000
Rest
Public Deposits
(including Ex-
chequer, Sav-
ings' Banks,
Commissioners
of National
Debt, and Div.
Accounts , 3,920,192
Other Deposits.. 19,944,303
Seven Days and
othor Bills 507,701

gPARTMENT.
Governmt. Secu-
rities(including
Dead Weight
Annuity) £15,722,824
Other Securities 15,695,837
Notes 9,836,490
Gold and Silver
Coin „„ 1,020,933

£42,275,581
GEolo

£42,275,584
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