The Sun.
London, England, 1856-05-28 00:00:00

DUBLIN, TUESDAY MORNING.

THE TIPPERARY BANK.

Litigation proceeds in the law courts as well as in the
Master'. office. Hardly a day passes that the affairs of
the Tipperary Bank arc not before the judges, in ono
form or another. Yesterday the Court of Common Pleas
was for a considerable time occupied with a legal argu•
went in a new action—M‘Dowell, the official manager,
against Robert Keating, M.P. The amount claimed is
4,0001., for an overdrawn account. The debt was admit-
ted, but the defendant plea-led that the official manager
had no right, in point of law, to sue him. Mr.
M'Donough, as counsel for the plaintiff, argued that
this plea was frivolous, should be set aside, and he sought
iberty to demur.
t/The Chief Justice—There is no doubt that the official
manager has a right to sue in certain cases, but the ques-
tion is, is that right to interfere with the 33d of Geo.
11., which is in full force still I Do you, Mr. M'Donough,
mean to argue that if the Winding-up Act bad never
passed that this old act would not apply, because it wa■
not a bank of issue, after the decision of "Faussett v.
Hodges," the Agricultural Bank case ?
Mr. M`Donough said he assumed that case to be law
it his argument, although he disapproved of it.
Judge Ball—The Agricultural Bank was a bank of
issue, I believe?

Mr. M'Donough replied that it was ; and then pro.
ceoded to ray that if the Court would not set aside the
plea as embarrassing, their lordships should allow him
both to reply and demur, in order to prevent delay. If
the mailager was embarrassed by frivolous litigation he
would not be able to pay a dividend to the creditors as
soon as he expected.
Judge Ball.—What ! A dividend ? How much in
the pound ?
Sir C. O'Logblen, Q.C.—There is a great chance of
a dividend after a call of 401. a share being made on
Saturday last.

Mr. ii`D,mough said he was instructed that there
would be a dividend soon if the official manager was not
unnecessarily impeded.
Judge Ball—Your proceedings at law could not go on
togetht r with proceedings in equity, and there is nothing
to prevent a bill being filed under the 33d Geo.
Mr. M‘Donough—There can be no difficulty on that
subject, for the Chancellor would never grant relief in
such a suit under the old statute, after the Master of the
Rolls—a branch of his own court—making an order
under the modern statute.

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Judge- Ball--I do not see why he would not, and
then you would have both a receiver and an official man-
ager ; and I would like to know how they would work
together. Both could not collect the debts., •
The Chief Jtistice—What we will do is this—we will
not set aside the plea. but we will let the phLintiff both
plead and demur, and direct the costs to be costs 14 thil
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amongst some classes of the inhabitants o.f the United levoted loyalty and the rapidly-increasing population of 1 Government had held or done, would have been de- de, lay the land down in grass, the labourers would ' trine and discipline, was to say that it had no meaning CO I.llltry Mar:Vet%
IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. States—rather amongst foreigners than natives—to view those great colonies with which he had been for many I nourced by all your lordships and by the public of this then be driven from the land altogether, at all ; fur teey all knew that no act of Parliament could
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es, our proceedings with jealousy and to put upon our ace years connected ; also to induce their lordships te employ country as an attempt to embroil the two nations. My The motion for acljeurnment at the rising of the house deal with men's faith and conviction's. No doubt, Par- LIVERPOOL—eIeY 27.
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HOUSE OF LORDS—(YESTERDA.Y). cons a construction which they would not bear. But it their influence in the prevention of any necessity for this lorde, I think the people of the United States can have till Friday wee then agreed to. liainent could interfere with the Ettablielonent, but may
The attendance et our market this morning was sr° g
was his firm conviction that the better claswes in thc a•sistanoe. We were all prone to exaggerate the ing no doubt as to the absence of hoetile feelings on the part AGRICULTURAL STATISTICS BILL. tor the purpose of rendering it mere efficient. As o, the Wh • t ' 1 , 1 1 th
ed. mota very sow y, e consumers beying.witheete
The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat on the wool- United States were animated by thje most kitndly feeline aortance of the subjects with which he bad long been of this country; and 1 believe that when the clouds that ' Mr. PACKE inquired what was the intention of the areument that the endowments were originally give
sack at the usual hour. n to. team° indifference, and we quote a nominal decline lel
towards this country, were most uesirous tnat friendle tionnected ; but he could not help thinking this was a have arisen shall have passed away no irritation will ~ Government in reference to the Agricultural Statistics Catholics, that applied to England as much as to Ire- ' Tuesd•iy le,t of id to ed per bushel. Flour also ruled it
The noble and learned lord read a letter from Lord relations should be maintained, and conscious that ane ;übject well deserving the attention of the houee. We remain in the United States. I can assure the noble ;' Bill ? He could assure the Government that it was land. The property of the Church belonged to the State, at a. reduCt'ion of oed to --ls per sack and barrel. Inti; '
Brougham, regretting, that, through indisposition, he interruption of them would entail the most serious cala- ead some forty-five colonies ; whether they were an ad- lord that everything will be done on the part of her Ma- ' creatiee great &arm throughout the country.
was prevented from attending in his place in their and the S'ate, as represented by its cream the Legisla- corn was in lively demand at-fully Friday's prices, alsclit e
fealties, without being accompanied by any solid compen• vantage or not, he would not say. One of the most dif- jesty's Government to put an end to all unfriendly sen- Sir GEO, GREY said it was impossible to say on ture, could deal with it as the circumstances of the times holders show great firmness at the comparatitelY I°l
lordshipa' house. satory advantages. He believed that there never was :leaf. questions in connection with them was their mili- timents between the two countries ; and if, as the noble what day it would be brought forward. It would be might suggest. The motion of the hon. gentleman in P
, rices which prevail. Oats 6d per
THE PRINCIPALITIES. a time, since the declaration of independence, when the tary protection. Up to a recent period we had acted on earl has been informed, Mr. Marcy and myself could brought forward as early as possible. tact, embraced a wider question than that of Ireland— slightly dearer. Beans, peas, andbub
rates. All feeding articles have been in large reciceasio,
Lord LYNDHURST asked a queetion respecting substantial interests of the two countries were so math- .he monstrous absurdity, that as the population and ilia- really settle the dispute in half an hour, I ehould be Mr. PA.LK hoped it would not be brought forward at it went to the root ot an Establishment aetweether.
secondary (Imlay of Indian corn, linseed and rape
toe Danubian Principalities. It was very well known fold and powerful, and the differences so puerile. (Hear.) portance of the colonies ine,reased, ,the proportion of quite ready to meet him on some island half way between a late period of the eeesion. Now, he was satitued that an Esteblithment of religion
and rice full prices.
that, by a certain article of the recent treaty of peace, He really believed that the people of this country did expense borne by the mother country ought to in- the two continents. The motion for adjournment until Friday was then was the propel organisetion for a State. Every cowl- '
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it was etipulated that a commission should be appointed not take sufficient interest in any of the questions pend- crease. The principle of self-government recently Lord PANMURE assured the noble earl that there , agreed to. try with any regard to rtligion had an Ea...ablisement, IPSWICH—MAY 27.
for the purpose of reforming and regulating the laws of ing between this country and the United States to care introduced had produced an abundant return of loyalty was no desire whatever to overturn the colonial policy of ' RELIGIOUS TEACHING AND WORSHIP with the single exceptioe of the Ueited States. He We are fairly supplied with wheat, which meets a g°°,,lt
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the Principalities, and also, as a subsidiary stela a whether they were settled one way or the other. But he on the part of the colonists ; while the question of mili- late years. It was only proposed to send out five regi- (IRELAND). could not therefore go with the object of his hon. friend, demand at last week's rates; farmers are determined lig
revision was ordered to be made by a body called a much deplored the continuance of these angry discus- tary protection had been satisfactorily solved in the ments, which it was intended to concentrate at the import- Mr. MULL having been called upon te proceed with and therefore he ceuld not agree with his motion. to submit to any reduction, as all accounts reprete
Divan, which was also appointed. The object was ; e e
same eetween the governments of the two countries, be- North American colonies. When he went to Canada in ant military port of Quebec ; and it was obvious that such his motion whie4 stood next on the paper, Mr. J. M‘GREGOR, amid loud cries of " divide, thrashing as very forward. No change in other artielte
to ascertain with as much precision as Possible the cause he was confident that if the people of this country 1846 there were 8,000 troops in that colony alone, scat- a boly, under the command of Sir IV. Eyre, would be of Mr. A. STAFFORD rose to move the adjournment divide," rose to support the motion. Hon. members rER enneeza. rail quAS'44
wishes of tha inhabitantswith respectto those alterations. were once brought to believe that a collision between tered in small detachments, and discharging the duties great service in educating the local militia fiwce. In 1853 of the house. He said that in the midst of our rejocings might exhibit impetieece, but he was prepared to move Wheat, red (01d)... das to 68e1Barley, grinding ... 3ie °or
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Tee pereons who were to compose those bodies were this country and the United States was sooner or later of police. Under such a system it was impossible for the number of British troops in North America was 4,166 he trusted that we shoual bear no animosities to our the adjournment of tee house if he were not allowed to Ditto (new)
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kept altogether free from extraneous influence, and iuevitable, and if the congress of the United States con- the colonial legislature to do anything for iti Own mill- men, and after these five regiments reached North Aule- neighbours, and that upon the present occasion we should state his opinions upon the subject under diecustion.
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they were not to commence operations until the Aus- tinued its naval and military preparations in order to be tary protection ; and there was little disposition to do rica the number would be under 4,000. It was, there- not enter upon the wide batta.field which this question (Renewed cries of " divide, divide," and laughter.)
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trian troops had quitted the Principalities. Anether prepared against such a contingency—it would be ine• this. In fact, the colony levied a duty on the provisions fore, absurd to represent the sending out these reinforce- opened. He believed the propoeed debate would create a was bound to say that thote members who displayed the
AVERAGES FOR THE WEEK ENDDTG MAT 24, 1856.
point equally important was laid down. The possible to maintain the peace much longer between the imported into it for the use of the military. He had told ments as indicating any aggressive tendency, or any very bitter feeling, especially in Ireland, and that the greatest impaticece upon a question of civil and religious
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hospodars, whose term of office would end in June, two countries. He deprecated the continuance of these this to the Americans, but with all their appetite for wish to disturb the harmony existing betvveen the two pleasure of the holiday on Teursday would be destroyed freedora were those who sat upon the liberal Ade ot the
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were to retire from office before the Proceedings angry discussions for another reason. Ile could not help the mervellous they could not believe it. In 1854 the countries. With respect to the North American colo- by it. (Laughter.) He trusted that on that day at least house. (Hear, hear, and a laugh.) If ever oppression
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commenced. It was deemed of essential thinking, that, upon the two questions now pending be. number of troops was reduced to 1,830, which were con- 'lists there were none of her Majesty's subjects, abroad all sect and party would be forgotten. It was not from had been exercised it was in the case of that huge night-
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importance in consequence of a notorioue bias that tween the two government% we had been led, by our centrated in one or two placee ;so that all the arrange- or at home, who had taken a greater interest in the late any feeling of disrespect to the hon. member for Roch- mare the Church of England, which pressed upon the Beans
was known to exi-t on the part of Prince Stirbey to- controversial zeal, to assume positions which were dia- meats for the maintenance of tranquillity in the colony war, or who had manifested a deeper sympathy for the dale that he made thissuggestion or because he was afraid great majority of the Irish people (Rear, hear, and oh,
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warde the Austrian Government ; indeed, he should metrically opposed to those dictated by our real interest. neceasarily devolved upon the local government. A sufferings of her Majesty's army. Not only had they of the discuttion. He hoped that the hon. member would ob.) Any tnan who WAS honest and earnest must some-
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rather say the utter subversion and absolute It was our real interest, for example that the neutrality commission, at the head of which was Sir A. lll`Nab, was sent 40,000/. to the patriotic fund in this country, but agree to a truce. (Laughter.) times say severe things. (Ciies of " order, order," which .. at, te
dependence of Prince Stirbey on the Austrian laws in the United States should have the widest pos. ssued, for the purposes of preparing a plan for the orga- the Lower Canadians, mindful of their origin, had also Mr, MIALL said he was somewhat taken by surprise referred to the hon. member's constantly turning his To-day whoo
ohstie a very semadsl shaw of wheathuleea'ettel
Government. It wee with great surprise he sible scope and application—(hear, hear, hear)—that nisation of the local foree, and their report, as well a 3 the sent 10,000/. to France. (Cheers.) He could assure their by the extraordinary course the hon. gentleman had back upon the Speaker in the course of his observations flaorrnem,
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had heard that two councils had been recently the disposition which existed on the part of some of Act of Parliament which was founded upon it, formed part lordships that the army would not be used for mere pursued. If it was necessary to cultivate all feelings ot —a breach of Parliamentary propriety of which he ap•
held at Constantinople, at which it was stated the inhabitants of that country to carry on war on of the papers to which the motion applied. He (the noble police purposes in Canada, but it would be con- amity on the celebration of peace, the hon. gentleman peered to be perfectly unconseious.) He was iii order, ‘bb
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that those conditions had not been carried out. He had their own account should be kept in oheck, and that earl) was glad to say that the measures alopted had fined to guarding, the fortresses of the colony, which might have dieplayed some of taat kindly feeling by giv- if the Speaker said he was not he was prepared to sit bUt Cakes fis per toE lower. Rape cakes scarce. ':)/'
been told on good authority that the former decision the United States Government should recognise the been carried out in a manner which had increased rather numbered some 160 guns. Here the army would find ing him notice of his intention, instead of attempting to down. He should move the adjournment of the debate if continue a dull sale. 0
had been reversed. The question he had to ask was obligation which it owed in that respect te than impaired the defensive strength of the colony. ample means of instruction in the duties of a brigade, snatch from him the only opportunity he had of bring- hon. members did not listen to [situ. After some further 5 S I B. , /
whether there was any foundation respecting thete foreign powers. But in our controverey on the rbii policy, it was right to say, had been carried out and it was solely for that purpose that theee troops were ine forward his motion. The hon. member seemed to obtervations, the purport of which, owing to the cries of Wheat, English, red 64 to CO3Peati rey and black -- ~.,- t't
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reports ? enlistment question, we had been led to contend by him in obedience to the repeated instructions which to be sent to Canada. (Hear.) to take it for grauted that the question could not be "divide, divide " " order, order," &c., it was impotsible Ditto white
The Earl of CLARENDON said that his noble friend for the narrowest possible construction of that law for he had received from successive secretaries of state, and Earl GREY wished to prolong the discussion only for discused without exciting bed temper. If hal tern- to collect, the h'on. member resumed his seat. Dantzic and Konigs- .t.titto Potersburgh ... ---. .
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had correctly stated the arrangements that had been the right of natives, or at least residents of the If nited more especially from the noble earl and the noble duke a very few moments. He was glad that his noble friend per was excited, it would be by those who were in the The house divided—
read() in respect to the Principalities, and the objecte States, to engage in war with a Government with which near him (Lord Grey and the Duke of Newcastle.) At had elicited this explanation from the noble lord who habit of perpetrating injustice, and did not like it to Ayes - ( angel
which the late Congress in Paris had in view. They the United States was at peace ; and. it was not a seemly, the same time he would not deny that the adoption of had jutt sat down, as he thought it was hegbly necee- be diecussed. If the atjournment were carried the Noes
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determined not to settle finally any of those points a courteous, or a becoming thing that diplomatic agents that policy had thrown upon him a considerable amount mu. It was necessary that the country should clearl Majority against the motion --70
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alluded to, because they felt it wag impossible to representing s. friendly power should be themselves, di- 'lf personal responsibility, because if the tranquillity of understand the extent and object of this increase of force tasteful to the bowie, and that there was no chance of 3 TRA.LEE AND KILLA.RNEY SAVINGS BANK. o.ussian and Odessa 58 to 60;tens. c , Hull /
obtain such information as would enable them reetly or indirectly, parties to such a proceeding. Tnis tate colony had been compromised, he should, of course, in eur North American colonies, awl this it would discussion so long as any means, fair or unfair, could be Oats, English
Mr. D. O'CONNELL moved for a select committee to
to farm a sound opinion as to the nature of the new in- view of the case was mast ably put in the last despatch haVe been blamed, for it would have been said that it eatily do after the explanation they had heard tomight. adopted to throw it over. (Hear.) Ditto Danish
consider an aeldress to her Majesty ra in that she
stitutions that should be established in the Principali- of Lord Clarendon ; and the noble earl must have felt was his duty to have foreseen the danger, and to have (Hear, hear.) For his own part, he attached the ut- Mr. MOORE believed that nothing would tend more ' ' ' '-' P Y g Ditto Friesland
would be gra.ciou-ly pleased to extend the same measure 25 to 271 Rapeseed OO/ Os to tee
ties. They determined that divans should be called that a British minister was placed in a very false position forewarned the Government at home. The weight of most importance to both the grounds urged by his to exasperate the people of Ireland than the preposi- Ditto Russian 25 to 2611 tape cakes —I (alto /leen .
of relief to the depositors in the late Tralee and Killer-
together, that they ehould proceed without check or when he was obliged to employ all his ingenuity to that responeibility fell upon him the more heavily on noble friend in calling for this explanation ;he con- tion made by the honourable member for Northampton Barley, malting 38 to 401 Tares, English ---s td to
ney Savings Banks as had been already extended to the Ditto grinding 34 to 36hLeitto foreign
centrol to consider the opinions. and wishes of all ranks weaken and destroy the force of this valuable pledge given account of the crisis through which Canada hail latel (Mr. Stafford.)
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depositors ia the late Cuffeetreet Savings Banks. Beans
and classes which were te be represented ,in those spontaneously by the Government of the United Stutee. eassed, and because his verY eminent friend who had for a consid..rable nu nter of years had actuated this Lord PALMERSTON said he was of the same
y ceived that any departure from the policy which now
Lord CASTLEROSSE, in seconding the motion, ex- Ditto foreign
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divans. During those deliberations there was to he no Then, with reference to Central America, no doubt it was preceded him in the governorehip of Cenada (Lord country, of reduc ng the chargs of colonial garrisone, opinioa as the hon. member for Northampton, that it
foreign occupation. It was also agreed that the firman, the real interest of this country that the independence of tietcalfe) had expressed a strong opinion adverse to would hive the worst effect upen the interest of would have been unadvisablo to discuss the question in pressed a hope that the Government would introduce Peas, white and yel. 35 to 381 Flour, per brl. ...... 350' '
some measure to amend the law relating tn savings banks.
convoking theme divans, should be agreed to he' the re- the Central American states should be preeerved, that no that policy. The noble lord, he considered, was a very the mnther courtly and the celonien He thought, the present state of things. it was impostible to conceal
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said if COURSE OF EXCHANGE.—YEST/RDAIa
presentatives of the different powers at Constantinople, one great power sbould obtain an overweening influence great man, but he completely differed from him however, that it was still of more importance that from onetelf that it stirred up strong feelings which it
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in order that it should he so framed as to secure to the in that territory, which was likely to become the high- upon this point. It was because he (LordElgin) felt at this moment their lordships should be assured, and the would be desirable to leave alone, but as this hon. gen-
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people a full and free representation of their opinions. way for the commerce of the world. It was with this that entire reliance might be placed upon the loyaltyand wce Id should bs astured, ea; he trasted they would be tleroan had frequently given notice of the subject before,
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He confessed he had no knowledge whatever of the view and intention that the Clayton-Bulwer treaty was good feeling of the people of Canada, of all creeds and aftsr what had pas el to-niehe that this increase of force and had been so often disappointed, be thought he might 25 67%, Milana :.*:.....:::::•••••• --'
sent. motion.. In 1848 a committee was appointed on the ali`
arrangement alluded to by the noble and learned lord. agreed to, and that the valuable admission was obtained races, that he thought he might with safety and propriety has no •ei ere ice whatevtr tow)), of the recent di'scussions be all iwed to roceed, as there was no business of im- Srussels ....•......... 25 671, Venice........•• ...• •• 445;
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He saw in a newspaper yesterday an accouin that agreed from Mr. Abbott Lawrence on the 8:h Nov., 1849, that obey the instructions he had received, and place the cus- in Am rice. The lel time that subject was discussed his •• 131%
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very nearly with the character of that mentioned by the the United States had no ulterior purpose in view, that tody of the colony in its own hands, He considered noble fri n I the 6 a •etary of State for War used an uo- leu,hter.) Parts.— .......... et, 45 ! Messina ..•. •.. 531
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noble and learned lord. It was, however, dated on the they frankly diselaimed all intention of obtaining terri- that the combination of high preteretions with mean and baepy !dirge whtn he said the increate of force wee in-
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12th, but the Government had received a despatch tory, and that they would be williug to agree neither to , shabby acts, such as was illustrated by what he had tended for oppressive purposes ; but whether it had re- was of no use, and the matter had better proceed. ,iltrist:fid::7.3.7.3.n.t!i.s. .... 2
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from Lord Stratford de Redcliffe dated the 15th, annex, colonise, settle, nor occupy that country. But, stated with regard to the commissariat supplies, was de• ference to opprestive or defend, e purposes, he was glad The motion was then withdrawn. banks, in which the Governmeo t had admitted the claims
which did not make the slightest allusion to the ia our anxiety to maintain some really worthless rightt moralising to the colony. He had frequently' told the to learn teat i had no conneceon eith the recent dis• Mr. MIALL rose to move, "That this house resolve Frankfort-on Maine .... I_2i 4
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circumstances. He bad also inquired of the highest in Central America, we had been led ever since that colonists that he wished them to hold their heads as high pute in Auerict. (Hear.) For he certainly thought that itself into cemouttee to centider the temporaiities of the yr
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ledge of any such arrangement existed. The atten- upon it, and to push to the uttermost the extent to which Bull had got several notions in his heal ;which it would lel vas ; hey co,nmitted a great error with reference to law ter rtlieinue teachin, or worshi in Ireland." qadrid .........., ~.. 49% Portugal Gold Ccin •• 0 , 0
point another committee of inquiry on the subject. He
tion of Lord Stratford would undoubtedlY be the parties to it might exercise protection in Centre- be imposeible ever to remove, One of these ideas was the enlistment geetaien, aed be for one could not aP- Mr. G. A. HANIILT-ON inov:d. teat before • ' _ladiz .... ...•• ...,.. 49% Mexican Dollars .... 0 „," 0
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called to the subject, and no doubt he would take such America. He feared that the tone which we had ens- that buth an individuaaand a community, vvean the h d
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measures as he thought best calculated to defeat those ployed in these arguments would be felt with pressine the means, ought to pay their own way. All thiys grit - Church in Ireland, that the fifth article of the union ot his deep regret at the losses suffered by the depositors eviiie..... -- .. .... a Sliver in bars ...... ° 5
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plane if they really existed. effect, in the yet more serious discussions which we plied to a state of peace •in a state of war the obligee eaat of the Crown to be le ritimately eMploYed in the Great Britain and Ireland embedied in ,the Act of Mr H. HERBERT said that the reason why this B.EA BO RNE MAILS.
The Earl of MALMESBURY begged to ask a ques- might have with the United States. In the mean. tions of the mother coun'try to her colonies were much bin'iiness of recruiting, and the complaints of the United Union 40th George 111., c. '67, be read by the clerk. question had not been brought before the houte sooner
tion of the noble earl with regard to the final arrange- , time all the friends of both countries must agree on greater, aril that was one reason whY he wished the States, ta his mied, were not altugeteer unjuetifiaOle. Tee article in question was read by the clerk. —••• 0
because year after year every Chancellor of the ,
merits that had Wee come to with resPect to the ( one point, that it wai moet desirable that these non- country to keepout of war. (Cheel 8.) Tile noble earl then Nor could tee issuing of inttructions by Mr. CramPton Mr. MIALL then procee led with his motion for a wa',
~ . , Exch -quer had stated to the houso the absolute neces-
,e- it
two Russian fortresses in Bessarabia, whether the j
Y troversies should be brought to an end. (Hear.) A read a long extract from the last speech he wrote before on the subject of recruiting be defended, beceuee such committde to c-msi-ier the temporalities of the iris()
sity e eels a ine on u ject or e purpese of set-
f l 7• l• t. r this s t • f th
were to be handed over to the Turk, or diemantled ? very eminent person in America had said to him he left Canada, in which he had stated opinione similar an act wee a total evation of the law of the United States. Church and other pecuniary prove-lees made by law fer
One it. It was net fair that the forbearance thus exer- t'e ei'll7g.tel fliTelhbey 'Lae I ne'
one anal ;tie. e o emu ~,,,,a 1 A Ais
The Earl of CLA.RENDON said there was no ar- that he was confident, that if Lord Clarendon and to those he had been expveesing. He could only say in If information were given that parties by applyino at religious worship and teachine in Ireland. He hoped it oarrnemsegt
diteu,3mpattehheoetenerai T_____"evrstri°o
cised should be tornel aoainet those who supp)rted the
Ititnaolia=-; eisin'trchet. k;i:lrt4/1'
rengement Coale to at( to those two fortressee being dist Mr. Maecy were half-an-hour together in the same conclusion that to those opinions he entirely alhered. such and such placet could obtain a free priesaee te E'oe- might be pessible to discues this question withent inotiend After the adverte decision of the committee he
mantled, and, therefore, he supposed it was intended room, they would eettle these questione to the satisfac If the intention of her Majesty's Government wag only- land for a particular purpose, it would be just as much an exasperation, as his metion did not re air() him to - ------;'----.4
had raieed the queetion in the houee, and notwithstand-
to continue those fertresses in an efficiene coedition. tion of both countries. (Hear.) And he earneetly to sena out treops to the North American colonies, to infringement of the law of the United States as if the re• dell with the creed, the Government, or the! discipdne of 'every Fridas .... Liverpooi ... , lAN
,
iog the influence of a Government hostile to the motion _____ooo___NTRltg_. _ ,
Lord LYNDHURST asked whether the Hoepodars hoped, now Meat the noble earl had been relieved from man their garrisons, and fur the purpose of giving the cruiting and enlistment had actually taken place there. any Church. But it could not be denied that the Irish e••• ....... etverpooi • .
were to centinue in office after their term had expired ? some of the overpowering labours that bad pressed upon colonists a pledge that if further assistance were required But we could only judge of such a mote by considering establishment was not satiefactory to the bulk of the it was rejected only by a majerity of seven. The ques• ':.inmeaeectrieji(lP:i()bb.).Yl..llrT.li..Ftdett.sil
lion which he hail raised was not only for the payment 'T-:;k'cot)(7....m.n,
The Earl of CLA.RENDON said it was propoeed to him, be would be able to turn his greatability ant powei it should not be wanting, he should not only not opp^se what our feelings would be under similar circumetances. MAI pepuletion. And even if the C itholics of Irelane .. „,.. .. sonthemet .1-1 •
of the depositors of these two banks, but fur the payment
the Turkish Plenipotentiariee that the Hospodars were of conciliation to these important subjects and by put. the preject, but should defend it to the utmuet. If they Suppose, then, the Russian consuls in Prussia had been were satisfied, the Protestants of Eagland were not.
of the dep.,sitors of several other banks. Up to 1841 -••••• g•• • • eouthempton
not to continue in office when their term expired. They ting an end to the dissensions between 'England and were sending out the troops for purely imperial ohjecte, allowed to spread the information that immediatelY be- It was not long since ala Spooner had obtained a vote
the depositors had the security of the trusteee and
d•ittitst
ile,,Vtaar:Vet%ortil
agreed to that proposition, thinking it would be the best America, add another to the many claims he had esta- if from motives of convenience or economy they chose yond the frontier there was a Russian depot where any from this house condemnatory of Maynooth College.
... moot°
tern, (west oeesio ..g }ii3i,ii of th_e moontlni;. Plymouth ...
managers, but the house passel an act absolving trustees =gaup's) a
.t'
........a .. ..... .. • •
course ; but they said it might he necessarY to appoint bllshed ou the gratitude of his country. It had been to maintain a portion of the standing army in North persons finding. their way there could receive a bountY The feeline which dictated that vote was likely to grow ta,,kPsintrpati
o.i ao_ (... v. i.a.
...": e.l.l,.ttl:Ji
and managers from all responsibility. What he com-
Wkaimakan in place of the Hospodars. It was imPoe• stated by Lord Panmure that the reports te which he America, he slimed not object, providing that the charge for enlisting in the Russian army, we should have been rather than to subside. And if Parliament took away plained of, on the part of the depositors, wao that their -Z.itxrigdttisa"""*:::tleidi'&224o6'th nof mfon: j5).7„e1f.;,;;;,;,:,i
sible at that time to say whet arrangement should be had called attention were exaggerated—that the addi. wai borne by the mother country, and wae not thrown loud in our complaints against Prussia for allowing it, the endowment from ale nooth leavin all other en- interests had not been secured at the time when an un-
t3achxanees .:: :::: :... e:ll7th of the month Southampton,
,i,
made, but that was what they seemed to think the hest tions ahout to be made to our military forces in our on the colony. But, on the •ther hand, he should pro- and yet it seemed to him that case presented features dowments untouched, whatYw suld'beComegof the teen- sound state of things led the house to pass the act. which SolgiGua .........../+F DallY!• •••••••• •• Dover ...• ••IDI_!, 16.
end most natural courte to take. It was necessarY that North American provinces were by ner /Deane so great test to tbe utmost of his humble ability against the alop- very little different to what we ourselves had been quillity of Ireland ? It was .to a;ert the dire evil of ?rani .
.......,..eiath of tho mouth.. Southampton Jae it
some authority should assist during a state of crisis. as had been represented, and, above all, that they were tion of any course that should tend to reverse that po- attempting in America. (Hear, hear.) Again, the religions discord that he felt not only justified but con- absolved mana,ers and truetees from all responeibilitv
„ „ei '9th (Atha month.. Southirrirton Jane eue
B.A.NKRUPTCY (SCOTLAND) BILL. . not intended for aggressive purposes in America. The licy which had been in operation for the last few years. early despatches of the Government were not eatisfa.c. strained to invite the house to go kite committee on Moreover, ever7y one 9f the forms.framed by- th:Legie':
Varlons port 'urea°
leture for the rotection of de ositore had been diere-
This bill passed through committee. noble lord's declaration upon this most important He should do so, because such a course would be most tory, because they were too off-handed ; the opening this eubject, arid he must say it would be worse than ' P ' P ' ~,. 9th of the month Southampton
sof the National Debt It -
garded by the Commoinsssioner .
tete de Verde .......
HAY AND STRAW TRADE BILL. Point was of a very specidc character, and it must unjust to the mother country, and he felt confident that„ despatches were anything but conciliatory to the United neeless to go into committee unless they were deter- d that the universal belief eewon (see India)
ought also to be c idere .
~ ~ N
This bill wa3 referral to a select committee. have given satisfaction to aIl those parties whose, although it might in the first instance be a boon to States ; but he was happy to think that the latest des- mined to deal with the Irish Church 'Establiehment. nost the poorer classes of depositors was, that by o'l.i:eYan'te°:.non'e'f'll(!oteed'se.::::::::::,.....:imonewed.,&nrle. southamptop Ta•Pr-D'64l
6aPpo of Goal Hope ..N
OXFORD UNIVERSITY BILL. confidence in the Government was of that somewhat the colonists, it would soon be followed by a speedy re• patch was very different in its language, and now that That establishment. had been tried in. th. e three
.phases c,,,f
led &17th of month uh m toi
calceup°ositing m-oney in the savings banks they became mono_ ............telOnce a month.... So t a P mai se
This bill paesed through committee. qualified nature that should lead them to deeire action, and would put arms into the hands of those the war was at an end .he hoped there wi,s not even the persecution, ascendancy, and indiscriminate endowmenoi ~.
eeovernment creditors and that the Government wae China
FIRE INSURANCE BILL. an assurance of that kind. He was not one of that whom it was not desirable to assist. The noble earl con- possibility of an open quarrel on the subject. (Hear.) of all sects, and in all had it signally failed. The elites-
-41.11 t 20th of 11011.'southmptol
number ; he had never supposed it possible that the eluded by moving the resolution. Ae regarded the Central Ameeican question, he entirely tion then was, in the language of Mr. Cobden, what lenstantinopie ........,
T ' d • Tyr"'
e lee ally ...... Dover ...• • •
Lord STANLEY of ALDERLEY moved the second M FAGAN should corroborate the statements of
a
..lont. of Europe IR &. N
Government would be guilty of the imprudence of c io- The Earl of CLARENDON—My lords, lam anxious agreed with his noble friend that the interest of both text ?—and next ? His p'an would be, as they could not responsible to them. '
del
reading of this bill.
his hon. friend the member for Kerry. He thouel t
1 ,gyp gee n a TWICe
templating orundertakin a, .essive mov
g ,gt ements towards parties in Central America was really of the most trivial carry out the plan of impartial endowment, they ought France ........ Mt :N 'Twice daily.-- Dov.er ...• ;,
The Earl of MeeLMESBURY said that if this bill to make a few observations upon the speech of the noble that the Government was bound to do justice to the
. e a
-Jibraltar .. .... ...al 4,7, 17, 20, 27 fn • eouelempto
America. But he confessed, judging from past expel-a kind • and provided the honour of the two countries to adopt the course of impartial dieeedewment, Ile d •
came from hie side of the house it would be considered earl, and they shall be few ; for I am so sensible to the epositore.
oreoco (see India) . Dover ......,
- ence, and also a little influenced by the reports to which could' be secured, there could be no difficulty in the way admitted that this policy ought to be pursued with Mr VANCE move., .
d as an amendment that the -4 town
OF, onstet : tinoipllei.)..... 3,13,18,23,&28 oi ri,
ml,2rul 3417th of men. Southampton
an incarnation of prntection. (Hear, bear ) he hate alluded, he did feel at the time he put the gees- iteconvenience of discussing these subjects at the present of ending the dispute. (Hear.) It appeered that the great caution, and with a clue regard to exieting inn,- • • , . • rey -••-• •• •"etanoway & Friday louden .• • ••• .
Lord MONTEA.GLE could not conceive how the bill • : house do resolve itself into a committee to consider an aamburgh ..........Nl., -' .
• h• 1 ilavannah .. .. ...... To I.nd of the menthiSouthampion' Juno 1
. teen some little anxiety on another point, which was not moment, that I shall refrain from all comments upon question was now referred to arbitration, and consider- retts. He then proceeded to deal with the obstacies dd - h M. -t
. . a ress to er _
.aje, y, praying t at a fu 1 measure of
. p otecaon, except in.
could be considered a measure of r e
aollard e mlD.ailY•• •• •• • • ••••,Dover ...,„ „limy/ Od
wholly removed b the answer of the noble lord. He ' t f h k •L f n
se% era o t e realer a whic- .e.. from my noble &tenth, ing that every day the civilised world was more and more that prevented the adoption. Auer, first of ail, he might
relief be a•lopted in favour of the depeeitors in the Tralee ge let i t eta month 'South et n 1 ori
asmuch as it protected the revenue. It was not a pro-
ras ..........MI • , , •I a ,I, 0 16th „ 0
thought it was- ust pYossible that the Government co •
ious becomi g g
'n enerally favourable to the principle of arbi• advert to what to,k place before he commenced his and K.ll S• .
i arney avings Bulks, and also of the depositors India (viaSouthampt.)m i4th C 20th of mon.lPlyrnouth •.. 4& lv
and which I heard with some regret. Still I am very
tectioa of particular interests, but of the state. (Hear.) that they hadiat their dis osal one ot the mos't nse
f 1
power u tration and that all men were more and more becoming motion. (The honourable gentleman here referred • india (via Marseilles)m 9tlifk2r,tll of montblDover
, _ in the Culfee-street Savings Beek. ......)
The Earl of DONOUGHMORE could not see any fleets and the best a •P d . • ' .
ppornte armies which England ever anxious that there shall be no mistake as to the feelin,s '
r agreed in reprobating the conduct of any nation or stete to a motion made b I
y ,er. Hamilton, which wae
Th CHAWELLOR of theEXCHEQUER e•I th t tonian Iscis (see India)l7, 17, & :47 of monillover•• •• •• 1 610
difference between French capital and French corn.
ao a , eTwlcedaii
[reiand ........71 & N 3' •• .• ••IHol3llcad -•• lawiett
possessed, mieht conceive the notion that something in of her Majesty's Government vvith respect to the United
Lord STANLEY of AL DE RLEY said there was ne a . h • t d li. f • 'fi It. • d t th t th ' h t• I fth T t f e ` '
w 0 rejec e tis means o arriving ac a spect cso u lon Rol ee n, a eet ar lc e o e rea y o
accordino to hie recollection, he scercely remembered wattle '7 9 17 &27 of ra.lBouthamptonlmay•'''
the nature of a demonstratmn o
, f force, something that States, and the policy which we have pursued and shall of a dispute, and preferred the dreadful alternative of Union should be read by the clerk at the table.) ''' et the month Elouthamptor,
objection to French capital subject to the same condi-
any case that had been more fully considered both by a Aideira ............bi,n
mieht look like a iti• •
h ....ht.
he 23 of month .... Liverpool ...I
Asdelra
tiona as English capital. (Hear.) But it would he a isplay of vigour, might be serviceable continue to pursue. In the first place I must say, that war, he could not believe that any real danger could He thoueht that article of Union was in hie favour.
committee of the house and Coe house itself than the
to them in conducting the controvert He h ' arise out of this trumpery question. (Hear.) He trusted It provided thet the Churches of England and Ireland te eta (see India) I „ 00,
18,18, ft 23 of mon. Dover ........• 9. •
absurd to subject English capital to a duty of 33., and • '37' was app.) as far as lam personally concerned, and I speak also r sent one had been six years aoo. A solemn dc• ani
p e e e isi delta ............,..ei ,4,
to say teat a statenient made by Lord Palmerston, in and believed there wee no prospect of anythino like war • ehould be united for ever in their doctrine discipline I
e ' - ' • ' was then come to; and, notwithstanding his sympathy idluritins (Boorman)
to exempt French capit•tl. in the name of her Majesty's Government, I do not be- '
;aurae, ha a a
„a 14th of the month,
I 1
The Earl of MA LMESBURY said the duty could be reply to an inquiry in the other house, had gone far but though that was the case, he nevertheless thought worship, and government. Well, now, he did not pro-
a the depositors he saw no ground for reversino that
. pluie,
.30n1 of the montl,., Sonthampten juno
to remove the apprehension which, in comnion with lieve that there can be the smallest doubt of our desire it wag of the utmost importance that they sheuld be ;le pose to teuch one of these points, but only the temp- ir ' ' '-
done away with or lessened.
ition. gear. He could not aeree with his hon. , . ''• ''' -" " • AthlsthVithormon. Dover ......•
dee ( ) , -Nato
...., „
„....o. 1
others, he had felt upon that ' Th 't • • •-d th " . ' • • • •
point. at statement, to ma.n ain unimpalre e most cordial and the man eared that this despatch of troops to British North .A.me- relines, of which the Act of Union said not one wor I. lee &17th of month 'Southampton
,t,Ol
The bill was then read a second time.
ne weo hae introduced the motion that any hope of low Granada --AI
, frie d is I
and the inquirY which had led to it, went very far to sincere relatione with the United staten (Loud rice had no reference to this unhappy ditpute ; becaute Ant:J:4er objection was teat the Ceurch had as mucn • ' i • • me private sip ..IVariousport.,llo,
retrospective lerns,ation in favour of those depositore '
few ecerand..,....... „, ,e„ 2,„ _
TROOPS IN THE COLONIES. • •
justify the observations which he had made, anl to cheers.) I believe no man can be more convinced than it was unfortunately true that among high-spirited na- right to her property al any gentleman had to his es- had been held ont by member of the Gov -e t eaeal states ~......N 1: `:_i i',7`t;',2:.",lotmon.lDover ...• ••
ern nhia.tn . Peninsula ..........M SE!in.t, I,7t!litollf?fmmo°,,n., S;oo
itiitt 111, aa Inn pp
ttoorn,
The Earl of ELGIN moved an address for copies of illustrate the advantage which a Government enjoyed we are that it is both our interest and our duty to remain tions measures might be adopted for the sake of precau- tates. But that assumed that the Church of Ireland MHE RBERT baadu'Uot intended to c
a s onvey t any earn .. ote ...... ore
any despatches from the Secretary of State for the Cole- from the opportunities of explanation and eeif-vindication in friendly relations with the United Slaaes ; and I can tion, which might lead to similar measures being adopted before the Reformation and the Church after the Re- such hope had been held out by any member of the Go. Poet Natal ..........N i
--; oty Private ship. .irarlous ports, teat tb
.st,llsth2.stho'mon, Dover .....•'L
Dies to the Governor-General of Caneda or the Lieute- —perhaps he might say, reflection and consideration— conscientiously affirm that nothing- has been said and by other nations, and in that way both parties became formation were one and the same, which le a gross
vernmept. 3icilY >. •• •••••••• ..Ni -
Tuscan g sthlsthVithoilnon.,Dover ...• - •eo
which it enjoyed when Parliament WAs El i
tt ng. The illua nothing has been done which could create a jnst feeling prepared for an open contest ; and although there might fallacy. No, the only title of the Church of Ireland to Mr. HA.NK EY moved the adjournment of the de- IT 3" """""'• 24 a, nth ofinontb!Southampton I$ "-
mut-Governors of Nova Scotia, New Brunew,ick, and tra • • '
yenezuela ...........3t
• tion in the rose
p nt case was more complete and in- of irritation between the two countries. My niable friend be no origival CaUSC for the dispute, they would thus be her templralities was the work of the state—a very 000 d bate. Van Dlemen'sLaud (see .
Prince Edward's Island on the militar establis
y . hment to ttructive, because it contrasts in a very remarkaale divided his observations into two head e t • - diverted from peaceful arbitration to the dreadful aeter- and valid title as long as it laseed. The truth wastlhat
s— rs , with re- . HPNLEY thou,lit it b ' co •• tustralia) ...„ ~.., I
~, , Mr. --- . e , e. was. not fair to ering . r sveo „die,
..
~,12dttz 17th o: inont!..Botithemptonl
be maintained in thoee colonies, of a later date than the manner with what occurred in a, case almost mu"' f h • • : hldf I ' ' f (E I •CI h f lfil - ' "
native, te ( rea u caianevy o war. 'awe) 0 this iurc a, led none of the conditions of a (omen ee-
etly erence to t. e recruiting question ; and second] 'Or
Y, wl ard e question importent in orinciole though small ' ---4 re
despatch of Earl Grey to the Earl of Elgin of March 14, similar, not many months ago. In November last an reference to Central America 117. h d '
.. a regar to the former of th h' hh db I •lb f C t Ili ' t It'-d
aay some e papers wic a een arc e ore on- a i snmen . ae een a A Ong' a s tarp torn in le
b II l I tl •tl w ' • ' t . '
in ainouut at the ta, cal of the evenine No doubt the Whenany et thele eat ot'l i 4 s - 'lb ."1,1; (:
1851 ; and the copy of the report of the cernmissioners eddition was made, not to the military force in the of these quettions, all the proposals were maee in the grees in connection with this dispute, coupled with tbe social syetem, Meeting all the relations of life. Theu erties interested ;ere ve reat sneftferere, but after s?atched on the following'Lds.';, w°llth th'ende4x)c'epUtil'eninoafl the Int"-d ill'
North American Provinces, but to the naval force eta- first instance by persons who were deirous of enterieg misapprehension of our intentions in increasine our neval it was said that the disendowment of the Church would itlie t • - • •rY t „ . • i outhameton), and the Malta., both of which will be desestete
appointed by letters patent under the great sisal of the s tong expression given y tne uouse previous y p receding day.
ticned in the West India seas At that tim P 1•• •
e ar lament i nto the Queen's service. We did not contemplate ac- force in the western hemisphere, had induced trie Congress destroy Protestantism. He did not believe it. Prete 4-
he thought the question ought not now to be reopened.
province of Canada, dated Oct. 27, 1851, to investioate • • *
was not sitting ;no member of either house could rise in cepting even these offers, without payine due respect to to sanction a large addition to the war estimates of the tantism as a spiritual principle would be strengthened, The house divided on the amendment. ---------------
and report upon the best means of reorganieing the „ie. his piece and ask the Goveinment to explain the motives the G.-wenn:tient of the United Stet " • • d I t• fi d' " 1 th d f ' k I b h - • b 3ti II h I
year ,an le wee saes e teat, un ess e goo sense o not wea enec, yt e ceinee e recommen( e . e a 9 LOCAL SHARE MARKETS.
es ; Tamil I entirely For the amendment
ia, of Caeada and rovi l'ne
t „ p ii, an efficient and economical of their proceeding, or undertake the still more thenk- agree it is both the duty and the interest of this countr y the Governments and Parliaments checked this tendency faith in the doctrine and discipline, the clergy and the
Against it B4 •te-
syetem of defence, and to report upon an improved syste n lese office of warning them ageirast its too proba.ble con- to uphold. It is our duty not to violate or infrino - on both sidee the Atlantic to materially increase their members of the Church of Ireland, but ha tied no faith
ee upou Majerity against the amendinent. —75 LIVERPOOL, MAY 27. di
f olice for the better ra e te
ole ,- p 1 rva ion of the public peaco; sequences. The result was the public, both in England the autaority of any Goveroment• but we have a British armies on occasion of any trumpery danger to the other. in the preposterous arrangemente whice hed looted her The house t ,
t en divided— _.,. get,
and a c s
opy of any act or acts passed by the Parliament and America, were constrained to put upon that proceed. ,nterne itt uhl i• .- v. 4- ' c.t, rg •, a se. ' t fOf 11 b dll d I h. h .th ' lth S • th ht t ' h•
po i Ing tee cearacter 0,. tee a iieeeotates of a sta a o ings wou , e gra Ua y pro uce wic set wea . upposing e oute o aeree to tis ino- For the motion 39 Sewn ExcliAnsia.—The market has been vete fg ,
to day, and prices have improved. Blackburn', e,l
of Canada inpursuanceof thieracommendetion He k ' ing the construction put upon •
, . new it by the prase of this America. To maintain the laws of the Ueited States must prevent the alternative of arbitration and leael to tion it wan fair to give the house a rough e,stimate ,1
Noes 54 Loneon and North Western, 102 Ditto, • shares t3terth
not whether it Ives the i - •
. ntention of the Government te country, mere etpecially by that portion of the prets was the chief obj .ct of those instruction; which her the expense and horrors of war. It was this vies of tee mode in which he proposed to dispose of the Ennis'. Majority against tee motion - esit
grant or refuse these returns ; but in either case it would which Was supposed, rightly or wrongly, to enjoy te a Majesty's Govere'm' ent sent out a d hen temt the matter which induced him to consider this explana• He then exPleined his sYstem. the substance of whice e metion was then neratived. ''-i St a
Eestern and Berwick, 20e —Ditto, Leeds Capita et,
be most respee'ful t
e, hat he should ttate briefly the gr 'rinds certain extent the confidence of the Gevernment. Their this coUld not be care' d t ',h; ndw w:
sr
• --
tion of the utmost importance and be trueted the woe thet while he would leave the sacred aliices in tte Th ' ' a 4-- 1
on which he moved for them. He hal thought -t right, lordships could hardly have forgotten what that cote the American Gevern inei 8
beta tov(i),t
bout anger o otiTding
countr and the world Would a'ssuine, after what hal hinds of their present possessors be would rake ps- Mr. FRE WEN' moved for an aldress for cepy of an 17,--cS,,tuth Eastern, 2le e 3 —Midlands, 78/
,ate et te
a;nyhteing
toln ,2 parr, ,
ee ag ' tle, act paseed by the Lords and Commons, in Parliament L. '
ir; 1i ;iiriel,, 19..%.3.1—Lanceehirertd York shircv
137,.. ;Xi
a few weeks ago, to call the attention of Lerd Pan oure struction was, or the tone in which the United States of our own as'e t b t Jr- -tY seedyto-night, that in takin these measuree the Go- ' -ession of all the endowinente 'Does Reed 1 n.c hems , t p.— Great a estern of A "‘"
c, aB, U 011 e par Oi t 088 W 0 a,sumed Pa • . . . g • e, ' , i h - 1 -d'-e• '' • ---'• '' assembled on the 9th day of February, in the year l 647. ---
to certain remarks then current retpectieg an elle:eel were reminded that, Rs their community compri- ed many to he our aeeets—when we saw that we immediate] y vernment neitner intended, on the one nand, to uepart c iurc es, an( after stte f‘ ing existing interest:,
tor the repairing of churchee and payments of churn I—Ditto, new, 31.
intention on the part of the Government to make a very lawless individuals whom their executive was either tee relinguish,] tee hole s hem f a ,) ae„, 1 - from the ilicy of reducin the char eof our colonial 70 apply the remainder and the holc as the livee
r tort ships , . Fe . g . g , , , „ . . , . w
.' . f duties," being cap. 105 ef the acts passed by the Parato — - et
considerable addition to tae military forces maintained iii willing or unable to restrain, it became necessary for the will see fro' . w c * he' 1). e4rb." •
m the papers whice -aye -eat laid uPon the eaablitinnente , nor, on the other, that the meaeuret reit in to the moral anit material Interests o
1 ta Ilb'itr
rnent generally termed the Long Pertiatnent. [ADVERTISEMENT.I—Du Barry's delicious Reva_en di
our North American colonies, and to make that addi- executive of thie country te take measures to supidy table that there te nothing which this Government eon d themselves would have the remotest reference t i the that g'suntry. Ile read the resolutions which bo a ,
'ood cures indi estion ds e oia consti ation an ets
Captaie L. VERNON moved d re!i dution, " That it F . . g (Y P I-. . P ~ 1. c, 0
tion with certain unusual accqmpaniMento of parade a",l that °mission on the part of the government of the do—which could be exoected from one Government to 'tifferences which hal unfortunately existed between inteedea to prepose in committee, and concluted by
to tbat it will be to the eciv
ie the opinion of tare hou. • ati• rhcea, dysenteiv nervousness, biliousness, and live
~,,a
ostentation. Stine of the reporte, very extensively cir- United States• And the pretext for this language of another, or from one gentleman to Into-her —thee . Eneand and America. (Hear.) Asanking the house for the patience with which it hal I. •tH.t 1 ' ' • ' ;• • ; • • 110'10°0
p am s„i u ency, distension, acidity, heaitbuin,
.pa foe ,
tage of the service tu employ general officers from the
culated by the prees, event the length of stating that warning was furnished by the idle ravings and wild pro- have not been read ' .sie The subject then dro i d bill h • b e h''d h•
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The Earl of ELGIN moved an address for copies of
any despatches from the Secretary of State for the Colo-
nies to the Governor-General of Canada or the Lieute-
nant-Governors of Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, and
Prince Edward's Island on the military establishment to
be maintained in those colonies, of a later date than the
despatch of Earl Grey to the Earl of Elgin of March 14,
1851 ; and the copy of the report of the commissioners
appointed by letters patent under the great seal of the
province of Canada, dated Oct. 27, 1851, to investigate
and report upon the best means of reorganising the mili-
tia of Canada, and providing an efficient and economical
system of defence, and to report upon an improved syste n
of police for the better preservation of the public peace;
and a copy of any act or acts passed by the Parliament
of Canada in pursuance of this recommendation. He knew
not whether it was the intention of the Government to
grant or refuse these returns ; but in either case it would
be most respectful that he should -tate briefly the it ,unds
on which he moved for them. He ha! thought .t right,
a few weeks ago, to call the attention of Lerd Pan oure
to certain remarks then current re3peetieg an alleged
intention on the part of the Government to make a very
considerable addition to the military forces maintained iu
our North American colonies, and to make that addi-
tion with certain unusual accempenimente of parade aed
ostentation. Smne of the reports, very extensively cir-
culated by the press, went the length of stating that
portions of her Majesty's navy, some of those magnii-
cent vessels which they had had the opportunity of exe-
mining a short time ago, were to be employed to convey
10,000 men from the Crimea to Quebec or Halifax.
Having had some experience of the state of fi eling iii
America, he bad thought that if rumours of that kind
were transported across the Atlantic, without a single word
of denial, or qualification, or explanation, they might pro-
duce a very uneasy feeling both in the British provinces and
in the U sited States; andthat they might perhaps have the
effect of inducing the Congress of the United States,which
sometimes acted rather upon impulse in such matters,
to adopt, as it had done in a corresponding case, coun-
tervailing measures of protection or menace, which might
still further complicate the relations existing between
the two countries. Since then, the reports circulated by
the press of this country had been published by the
American papers in a connected form ; and when brought
together in that shape, they presented such a formidable
appearance as to justify the course he had taken. It was
of the very greatest importance in our discussion with
America constantly to bear in mind the fact, that these
two nations possessed, in the highest perfection, the
advantages, such as they were, of a free press, that it
eras therefore impossible to prevent the measures of
Government being criticised, and the motives of
Government, real or supposed, generous or illiberal,
from being canvassed and scrutinised. And, moreover,
as the presses of the two countries were not only free,
and evastly influential within their own respective
spheres, but also (he said it to their honour) eminently
patriotic--they were apt, in these international discus-
sions, like the knights in the legend, to look perhaps
too exclusively at the colours on their own side of the
shield. This imposed upon men who were earnestly de-
sirous to preserve peace between the two countries, and
to promote the interests of both or either (and he be-
lieved it would be very difficult to promote the real in-
terests of one without promoting those of both, so inti-
mately connected together, and dependent upon each
either as they were)—it imposed upon public
men duties
connected with the removal of causes of possible misun-
derstanding., and with the suzgestion of means or Con.
ciliation, which they ought not to shrink from discharg-
ing, although occasionally the attempt to discharge those
duties might subject them to misrepresentation and re-
proach. It was with these feelings and views, and nut
with any intention of embarrassing the (Government,
that he had ventured to ask Lord Clarendon.whethet
a letter which appeared in' the American journals,
purporting to be a copy of one written by the Under-
Secretary of State in this country, in reply to an ap-
plication for a.. supply of arms from Costa Rica,
was or was not a genuine document. He knew that the
arms referred to had been used in the war raging between
the Nicaraguans and the Costa Ricans, in which citizens
of the United States were en ;aged ; he knew that that
report and that letter, coupled together, hal produced
great excitement in the United States ; and he thought
it desirable that the noble lord should have an opportio
pity otgiving a trio version of the affair. Having seen
a great deal of the people of the United States durine
his lengthened sojourn in America, and having had op--
e•rtunitlee of much intercourse, officially and unofflei-
Hy, with the leading men of that country, and Ppeaking
n the interest of those North American c3!unies which
would be the first, and perhaps the greatest, sufferers
in the event of a war breaking out between the two
countries, he most deeply regretted and deplored the
extent to which the impression that an unfriendly feel-
ing existed between the two countries was gaining
ground amongst us, and the character which that impres •
Con —he be:ieved a totally erroneous one—was impart-
i tog to our policy. There was undoubtedly a disposition

levoted loyalty and the rapidly-increasing population of I Government had held or done, would have been de-
those great colonies with which he had been fur many nourced by all your lordships and by the public of this
years connected ; also to induce their lordships to employ country as an attempt to embroil the two nations. My
their influence in the prevention of any necessity for this lords, I think the people of the United States can have
e,sistanoe. We were all prone to exaggerate the im- no doubt as to the absence of hostile feelings on the part
oortance of the subjects with which he bad long been of this country; and 1 believe that when the clouds that
connected ; but he could not help thinking this was a have arisen shall have passed away no irritation will
subject well deserving the attention of the house. We remain in the United States. I can assure the noble
had some forty-five colonies ; whether they were an ad- lord that everything will be done on the part of her Ma-
vantage or not, he would not say. One of the most dif- jesty's Government to put an end to all unfriendly sent
deal: questions in connection with them was their mill- timents between the two countries ; and if, as the noble
tary protection. Up to a recent period we had acted on earl has been informed, Mr. Marcy and myself could
he monstrous absurdity, that as the population and im- really settle the dispute in half an hour, I ehould be
portance of the colonies increased, ;the proportion of quite ready to meet him on some island half way between
expense borne by the mother country ought to in- the two continents.
crease. The principle of self-government recently Lord PANMURE assured the noble earl that there
introduced had produced an abundant return of loyalty was no desire whatever to overturn the colonial policy of
on the part of the colonists ; while the question of mill- late years. It was only proposed to send out five rega-
tary protection had been satisfactorily solved in the ments, which it was intended to concentrate at the import-
North American colonies. When he went to Canada in ant military port of Quebec ; and it was obvious that such
1846 there were 8,000 troops in that colony alone, scat- a body, under the command of Sir W. Eyre, would be of
tered in small detachments, and discharging the duties great service in educating the local militia force. In 1853
of police. Under such a system it was impossible for the number of British troops in North America was 4,166
the colonial legislature to do anything for its own mill- men, and after these five regiments reached North Ame-
ta,ry protection ; and there was little disposition to do rica the number would be under 4,000. It was, there-
this. In fact, the colony levied a duty on the provisions fore, absurd to represent the sending out these reinforce-
imported into it for the use of the military. He had told ments as indicating any aggressive tendency, or any
this to the Americans, but with all their appetite for wish to disturb the harmony existing between the two
the marvellous they could not believe it. In 1854 the countries. With respect to the North American colo-
number of troops was reduced to 1,880, which were con- 'lists there were none of her Majesty's subjects, abroad
centrated in one or two places ; so that all the arrange- or at home, who had taken a greater interest in the late
meats for the maintenance of tranquillity in the colony war, or who had manifested a deeper sympathy for the
necessarily devolved upon the local government. A sufferings of her Majesty's army. Not only had they
commission, at the heal of which was Sir A. M`Nab, was sent 40,0001. to the patriotic fund in this country, but
ssued, for the purposes of preparing a plan for the orga- the Lower Canadians, mindful of their origin, had also
nisation of the local foree, and their report, as well as the sent 10,00 A/. to France. (Cheers.) He could assure their
Act of Parliament which was founded upon it, formed part lordships that the army would not be used for mere
of the papers to which the motion applied. He (the noble police purposes in Canada, but it would be con-
earl) was glad to say that the measures adopted had fined to guarding the fortresses of the colony, which
been carried out in a manner which had increased rather numbered some 160 guns. Here the army would find
than impaired the defensive strength of the colony. ample means of instruction in the duties of a brigade,
['his policy, it was right to say, had been carried out and it was solely for that purpose that these troops were
by him in obedience to the repeated instructions which to be sent to Canada. (Hear.)
he had received from successive secretaries of state, and Earl GREY wished to prolong the discussion only for
more especially from the noble earl and the noble duke a very few moments. He was glad that his noble friend
near him (Lord Grey and the Duke of Newcastle.) At had elicited this explanation from the noble lord who
the same time he would not deny that the adoption of had just sat down, as he thought it was higbly neces•
that policy had thrown upon him a considerable amount mu. It was necessary that the country should clearly
of personal responsibility, because if the tranquillity of understand the extent and object of this increase of force
the colony had been compromised, he should, of course, in our North American colonies, and this it would
have been blamed, for it would have been said that it easily do after the explanation they had heard to-night.
was his duty to have foreseen the danger, and to have (Hear, hear.) For his own part, he attached the ut-
forewarned the Government at home. The weight of 'nest importance to both the grounds urged by his
that responsibility fell upon him the more heavily on noble friend in calling for this explanation ; he con-
account of the crisis through which Canada had lately
ceived that any departure from the policy which now
.sassed, and because his very eminent friend who had for a considerable nu nt:er of years had actuated this
preceded him in the governorship of Canada (Lord country, of reduc ng the cbarg s of colonial garrisons,
Nletcalfe) had expressed a strong opinion adverse to would hive the worst effect upon the interest of
that policy. The noble lord, he considered, was a very the mother country and the colonies. He thought,
great man, but he completely differed from him however, that it was still of more importance that
upon this point. It was because he (Lord Elgin) felt at this moment their lordships should be assured, and the
that entire reliance might be placed upon the loyalty and world should b 3 assured, as he trusted they would be
good feeling of the people of Canada, of all creeds and after what had pas el to-niche, that this increase of force
races, that he thought he might with safety and propriety has no .15 ere ice whatsvtr to aay of the recent discussions
obey the instructions he had received, and place the cut- in Am rice. The het tans that subject was discussed his
Cody of the colony in its own hands. He considered noble fri n I the S e ietary of State for War used an us-
that the combination of high pretensions with mean and batpy ehrae when he said the increase of force was in-
shabby acts, such as was illustrated by what he had tended for oppressive purposes ; but whether it had re-
stated with regard to the commissariat supplies, was deference to oppressive or defeni,e purposes, he was glad
moralising to the colony. He had frequently told the to learn that i had no conneceon with the recent dis•
colonists that he wished them to hold their heads as high pute in Anerict. (Hear.) For he certainly thought that
es they could themselves possibly desire, but that John in the first inst ,nce the Government were greatly to
Bull had got several notions in his head ;which it would bl ime ; hey committed a great error with reference to
be impossible ever to remove. One of these ideas was the enlistment question, a-id be for one could not ap- '
that both an individual.and a community, when they lid urove oft e early measures of the Government. He
the mean, ought to pay their ovn way. All this ap- co ild not see how it was possible for any diplomatic ter-
plied to a state of peace ; in a state of war the oblige.- vast of the Crown to be legitimately employed in the
lions of the mother country to her colonies were much business of recruiting-, and the complaints of the United
greater, and that was one reason why he wished the States, to his mild, were not altogether unjustifiable.
country to keepout of war. (Cheers.) The noble earl then Nor could the issuing of instructions by Mr. Crampton
read a long extract from the last speech he wrote before on the subject of recruiting be defended, because such
he left Canada, in which he had stated opinions similar an act was a total evasion of the law of the United States.
to those he had been expressing. He could only say iu If information were given that parties by applying at
conclusion that to those opinions he entirely adhered. such and such places could obtain a free passage to
Eng-
If the intention of her Majesty's Government was only land for a particular purpose, it would be just as much an
to send out troops to the North American colonies, to infringement of the law of the United States as if the re•
man their garrisons, and fur the purpose of giving the cruiting and enlistment had actually taken place there.
colonists a pledge that if further assistance were required But we could only judge of such a case by considering
it should not be wanting, he should not only not oppose what our feelings would be under similar circumstances.
the project, but should defend it to the utmost. If they Suppose, then, the Russian consuls in Prussia had been
were sending out the troops for purely imperial objects, allowed to spread the information that immediately be-
if from motives of convenience or economy they chose yond the frontier there was a Russian depot where any
to maintain a portion of the standing army in North persons finding their way there could receive a bounty
America, ho shouff not object, providing that the charge for enlisting in the Russian army, we should have been
was borne by the mother country, and was not thrown loud in our complaints against Prussia for allowing it,
on the colony. But, on the •ther hand, he should pro- and yet it seemed to him that case presented features
test to the utmost of his humble ability against the adop- very little different to what we ourselves had been
tion of any course that should tend to reverse that po- attempting in America. (Hear, hear.) Again, the
licy which had been in operation for the last few years. early despatches of the Government were not satisfe.c.
He should do so, because such a course would be most tory, because they were too off-handed ; the opening
unjust to the mother country, and he felt confident that, despatches were anything but conciliatory to the United
although it might in the first instance be a boon to States ; but he was happy to think that the latest des-
the colonists, it would soon be followed by a speedy re- patch was very different in its language, and now that
action, and would put arms into the hands of those the war was at an end he hoped there wss not even the
whom it was not desirable to assist. The noble earl con- possibility of an open quarrel on the subject. (Hear.)
eluded by moving the resolution. As regarded the Central American question, he entirely
The Earl of CLARENDON—My lords, lam anxious agreed with his noble friend that the interest of both
to make a few observations upon the speech of the noble parties in Central America was really of the most trivial
•
earl, and they shall be few ; for I am so sensible to th kind ' and provided the honour of the two countries
e could be secured, there could be no difficulty in the way
inconvenience of discussing these subjects at the present of ending the dispute. (Hear.) It appeared that the
moment, that I shall refrain from all comments upon question was now referred to arbitration, and consider-
several of the remarks which fell from my noble friends, rug that every day the civilised world was more and more
and which I heard with some regret. Still I am very
becoming generally favourable to the principle of arbi-
anxious that there shall be no mistake as to the feelings tration, and that all men were more and more becoming
agreed in reprong the conuct of any nation or stete
of her Majesty's Government with respect to the United who rejected thisbati means of arriving ac a specific solution
States, and the policy which we have pursued and shall of a dispute, and preferred the dreadful alternative of
continue to pursue. In the first place I must say, that war, he could not believe that any real danger could
as far as lam personally concerned, and I speak also arise out of this trumpery question. (Hear.) He trusted
and believed there wee no prospect of anything like war ;
in the name of her Majesty's Government, I do not be-
but though that was 'the case, he nevertheless thought
lieve that there can be the smallest doubt of our desire it was of the utmost importance that they should be as
to maintain unimpaired the most cordial and the most sured that this despatch of troops to British North Ante-
sincere relations with the United States. (Loud rice, bad no reference to this unhappy dispute ; because
cheers.) I believe no man can be more convinced than it was unfortunately true that among high-spirited na-
we are that it is both our interest and our duty to remain tions measures might be adopted for the sake of precau-
in friendly relations with the United States ; and I can tion, which might lead to similar measures being adopted
conscientiously affirm that nothing has been said and by other nations, and in that way both parties became
nothing has been done which could create a just feeling prepared for an open contest ; and although there might
of irritation between the two countries. My noble friend be no original cause for the dispute, they would thus be
divided his observations into two heads —first, with re- diverted from peaceful arbitration to the dreadful alter-
ference to the recruiting question ; and secondly, with native, the dreadful cala,nti'y of war. (Eleer.) In this
reference to Central America.. With regard to the former way some of the papers which had been laid before Con-
of these questions, all the proposals were made in the greys in connection with this dispute, coupled with the
first instance by persons who wore desirous of entering misapprehension of our intentions in increasing our neval
into the Queen's service. We did not contemplate ac.. force in the western hemisphere, had induced the Congress
cepting even these offers, without paying due respect to to sanction a large addition to the war estimates of the
the Goverement of the United States ; which I entirely year ; and he was satisfied that, unless the good sense of
agree it is both the duty and the interest of this country the Governments and Parliaments checked this tendency
to uphold. It is our duty not to violate or infringe upon on both sides the Atlantic to materially increase their
the authority of any Government; but we have a British armies on occasion of any trumpery danger to the other.
Interest in upholding the character of the United States of a state of things would be gradually produce I which
America. To maintain the laws of the United States must prevent the alternative of arbitration and lead to
was the chief object of those instructions which her the expense and horrors of war. It was this vies of
Majesty's Government sent out ; and when we saw that the matter which induced him to consider this explana-
this could not he carried out without danger of offending tion of the utmost importance, and he trusted the
the American Government—not bya,nvteing on the part country and the world would assume, after what had
of our own agents, but on the part of those who assumed passed to-night, that in taking
thane
measurel the Go-
to he our ageets—when we saw that, we immediately verement neither intended, on the one hand, to depart
relinquished toe whole scheme. (Hear.) Yeur lordships from the policy of reducing the charge of our colonial
will see from the papers which have been laid upon tie. establithtnente ; nor, on the other, that the measures
table that there is nothing which this Government sou d themselves would have the remotest reference t ) the
do—which could be expected from one Government to aifferences which bad unfortunately existed between
another, or from one gentleman to another —that we England and America. (Hear.)
have not been ready to do, for the purpose of makatg The subject then dropped, and some bills having been
reparation for any offence, real or imaginary, whwa the advanced a stage, their lordships adjourned at half-past
United States Government might conceive we have seven o'clock until Friday next.
given them. The last despatch that was written by my-
self, and that contains a resume of the whole matter, can
hardly have reached the United States, and therefore I
am anxious not to say more at present with reference
to the recruiting question. As fir, however, as I have
been able to ascertain what is the impression which
exists on this subject, it is that we have offered
to comply with all the demands of the United States,
save only that we will not recall Mr. Crampten and
the consuls, because we don't think that they have me-
rited that censure and that punishment. (Cheers.) We
should have had no hesitation in so dealing with any
agent who haul so forgotten his duty and disregarded his
instructions as to have violated the laws of the United
States ; but being convinced that our agents have not
done so, no government can expect us to take such a
course. (Cheers.) With respect to Central America,
your lordships know the terms of the Clayton-Bulwer
treaty. I do not think that language can be more clew
than the language of that treaty was. It stipulated that
there should be no colonisation, no acquisition of terri-
tory, no fortifications or strengthening of fortified places
that already existed. I think there can be no other in-
terpretation than that it was prospective, and that it was
intended for a specific object, which was the construction
and maintenance of a canal without any encroachments
on the part of the United States. But it was never
understood that we were to give up or evacuate Hondu-
ras and the other places which were in our possession at
the time the treaty was made. It would have been impos-
mr. that
it
ssitbrile
cti3fouprderaihodaymni
n proviso, as
t co
a attach
n came the great ability of Sir Henry Bulwer
to have taken upon himself to give up any British terri-
tory or rights. So far from having done so, he made a
was
overt
oa ct
Hko nto ohn wids lucerodagus en. dt r
ylbv,ylh Mehner,
a.
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vt
the
first time that an entirely new interpretation had been
placed upon this treaty, and that it was no longer to be
looked on as a prospective arrangement, but an arrange-
ment for evacuating British territory. I heard for the
first time that it was a ground of complaint against us
that we had not fulfilled the engagements of that treaty.
I think I told Mr. Buchanan that it was the first time
that I had heard of that interpretation ; and he said that
in this country there was no doubt whatever as to his
interpretation of the treaty. I replied that it appeared
to me the fairest plan would be, to call in some other
third power which would impartially judge and deter-
mine the question between us. I said that we were
perfectly ready to enter intro any engegement that
would be satisfactory to the United States and to the
publit at home. It was, therefore, a matter of indiffer-

amongst some classes of the inhabitants of the United
States—rather amongst foreigners than natives—to view
our proceedings with jealousy and to put upon our ac-
tions a construction which they would not bear. But it
was his firm conviction that the better classes in the
United States were animated by the most kindly feeling:
towards this country, were most desirous that friendly
relations should be maintained, and conscious that an 3
interruption of them would entail the most serious cala-
mities, without being accompanied by any solid compen-
satory advantages. He believed that there never was
a time, since the declaration of independence, when the
substantial interests of the two countries were so mani-
fold and powerful, and the differences so puerile. (Hear.)
He really believed that the people of this country did
not take sufficient interest in any of the questions pend-
ing between this country and the United States to care
whether they were settled one way or the other. But he
much deplored the continuance of these angry discus-
sions between the governments of the two countries, be-
cause he was confident that if the people of this country
were once brought to believe that a collision between
this country and the United States was sooner or later
inevitable, and if the congress of the United States con-
tinued its naval and military preparations in order to be
prepared against such a contingency—it would be im-
possible to maintain the peace much longer between the
two countries. He deprecated the continuance of these
angry discussions for another reason. He could not help
thinking, that, upon the two questions now pending be.
tween the two governments, we had been led, by our
controversial zeal, to assume positions which were dia-
metrically opposed to those dictated by our real interest.
It was our real interest, for example, that the neutrality
laws in the United States should have the widest pos-
sible scope and application—(hear, hear, hear)—that
the disposition which existed on the part of some of
the inhabitants of that country to carry on war on
their own account should be kept in check, and that
the United States Government should recognise the
obligation which it owed in that respect to
foreign powers. But in our controversy on the
enlistment question, we had been led to contend
for the narrowest possible construction of that law for
the right of natives, or at least residents of the Ilfnited
States, to engage in war with a Government with which
the United States was at peace ; and. it was not a seemly,
a courteous, or a becoming thing that diplomatic agents
representing a friendly power should be themselves, di-
rectly or indirectly, parties to such a proceeding. Tnis
view of the case was most ably put in the last despatch
of Lord Clarendon ; and the noble earl must have felt
that a British minister was placed in a very false position
when he was obliged to employ all his ingenuity to
weaken and destroy the force of this valuable pledge given
spontaneously by the Government of the United States.
Then, with reference to Central America, no doubt it was
the real interest of this country that the independence of
the Central American states should be preserved, that no
one great power should obtain an overweening influence
in that territory, which was likely to become the high-
way for the commerce of the world. It was with this
view and intention that the Clayton-Bulwer treaty was
agreed to, and that the valuable admission was obtained
from Mr. Abbott Lawrence on the 8:11 Nov., 1849, that
' the United States had no ulterior purpose in view, that
they frankly diselaimed all intention of obtaining terri-
tory, and that they would be willing to agree neither to
annex, colonise, settle, nor occupy that country. But,
in our anxiety to maintain some really worthless rights
in Central America, we had been led ever since that
treaty had been signed to put the most lax construction
upon it, and to push to the uttermost the extent to which
the parties to it might exercise protection in Centre
America. He feared that the tone which we had em-
ployed in these arguments would be felt with pressing
effect, in the yet more serious discussions which we
might have with the United States. In the mean
1 time all the friends of both countries must agree on
one point, that it was most desirable that these con-
troversies should be brought to an end. (Hear.) A
very eminent person in America had said to him
that he was confident, that if Lord Clarendon and
Mr. Marcy were half-an-hour together in the same
room, they would settle these questions to the satisfac
tion of both countries. (Hear.) And he earnestly
hoped, now that the noble earl had been relieved from
some of the overpowering labours that had pressed upon
him, be would be able to turn his great-ability an I power
of conciliation to these important subjects, and by put-
ting an end to the dissensions between England and
America, add another to the many claims he had esta-
blished ou the gratitude of his country. It had been
stated by Lord Panmure that the reports to which he
had called attention were exaggerated—that the addi-
tions about to be made to our military forces in our
North American provinces were by na means so great
as had been represented, and, above all, that they were
not intended for aggressive purposes in America. The
noble lord's declaration upon this most important
point was of a very specific character, and it must
have given satisfaction to all those parties whose
confidence in the Government was of that somewhat
qualified nature that should lead them to desire
an assurance of that kind. He was not one of that
number; he had never supposed it possible that the
Government would be guilty of the imprudence of c on-
templating or undertakingaggressive movements towards
America. But he confessed, judging from past experi-
ence, and also a little influenced by the reports to which
he had alluded, he did feel at the time he put the ques-
tion some little anxiety on another point, which was not
wholly removed by the answer of the noble lord. 11-,
thought it wasjust possible that the Government, conscious
1 that they had at their disposal one of the most powerful
r fleets and the best appointed armies which England ever
possessed, might conceive the notion that something in
the nature of a demonstration of force, something that
might look like a display of vigour, might be serviceable
to them in conducting the controversy. He was happy
to say that a statement made by Lord Palmerston, in
reply to an inquiry in the other house, had gone far
to remove the apprehension which, in common with
others, he had felt upon that point. That statement,
and the inquiry which had led to it, went very far to
justify the observations which he had made, and to
illustrate the advantage which a Government enjoyed
from the opportunities of explanation and self-vindication
—perhaps he might say, reflection and consideration—
which it enjoyed when Parliament was sitting. The illus-
tration in the present case was more complete and in-
structive, because it contrasts in a very remarkahle
manner with what occurred in a case almost exactly
similar, not many months ago. In November last an
addition was made, not to the military force in the
North American Provinces, but to the naval force sta-
tioned in the West India seas. At that time Parliament
was not sitting ; no member of either house could rise in
his place and ask the Goveinment to explain the motives
of their proceeding, or undertake the still more thenk-
lese office of warning them against its too probable con-
sequences. The result was the public, both in England
and America, were constrained to put upon that proceed-
ing the construction put upon it by the press of this
country, more especially by that portion of the press
which was supposed, rightly or wrongly, to enjoy to a
certain extent the confidence of the Government. Their
lordships could hardly have forgotten what tint con-
struction was, or the tone in which the United States
were reminded that, as their community compri ed many
lawless individuals whom their executive was either nes
willing or unable to restrain, it became necessary for the
executive of this country to take measures to supply
that omission on the part of the government of the
United States. And the pretext for this language of
warning was furnished by the idle ravings and wild pro-
jects, not of native born Americans, but of apostates
from their allegiance to the Queen of England, who bad
sought American protection, and who, if they deserved
the censure heaped upon them, were a scandal and a re-
proach to any country. He did not suppose that the in-
tentions of the Government were correctly stated. On
the contrary, he felt cenfident, and he should be glad to
be informed that his c infidence was not misplaced, that
if the Government bad had the opportunity of explana-
tion, they would have been fully able to explain away
wEat was apparently offensive in the proceeding. lie
admitted that the proceeding might have been attended
with some degree of temporary success ; but if the Go-
vernment had been careful in watching the signs of the
times—if they had bestowed on the proceedings of Con-
gress the attention they deserved, they must have learnt
by this time to appreciate the cost at which their suc-
cess had been achieved. They must know that they had
put arms into the hands of a party in the United States,
small in numbers, contemptible in influence and charac
ter, but noisy and active, who were stirring up as agita-
tion against what they termed tho overbearing conduce,
of Great Britain; and, unhappily for America as well as
for England—unhappily for the interests of the future—
there was a class of persons in the United States who
found, or imagined they would find, their account in the
maintenance of expensive military and naval establish-
ments. (Hear.) Those who achieved these' triumphs
were, unconsciuesly no doubt, but not the less surely,
conspiring to call into existence the material forces of
that new world which might yet be destined to realise
the prediction of a celebrated statesman of this country,
who said that it was little apprehended by its author.
This raised a question of domestic policy of great impor-
tance, on which the returns be moved for might throw
considerable light. The noble lord had stated that the
forces removed to British North America were intended
to replace the troops removed from there at the com-
mencement of the war. It might be inferred from this
statement that the reductions which had taken place in
late years had been the result of accidental or temporary
recall ; but the returns would show that they had been
the result of a policy deliberately adopted and consist-
ently carried out, and that they would have taken effect
even if the war with Russia had not occurred. (Hear.)
The object of that policy was twofold—first, to relieve
the mother country from a portion of the expense here-
tofore borne for the military protection of those colo-
nieser
force,a;
,a.,:nubdies:condly, to call forth in the colonies them.
selves a certain amount of military support and military
ancelt);
the mother
would be available in peace for the pre-
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htaadndnoint
bwraorugattanfoarwseai -rtd-
ytheilt.snuarnuikeoin,iitg,n with any intention of embarras-ing the Go-
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they might see fit to main-
might
:at advantageous and
amount of that force ought to economybeessiruhpoosvrtzntn
country. What the
t a n,
efficiency might be best reconciled in its movement and
questions anli
distribution, were no doubt very
well deserving of consideration at a fitting time, but cl ues-
tions which he did not then propose to raise. Least of all
was it his intention, in inviting the house to accede to his
motion, to say one single syllable which could induce our
fellow-suFjects in the colonies to entertain any don ;t as to
the deep interest which we took in their welfare, and as to
the readiness of Parliament and the country to support
them with all the might of the empire against aggression
or wrong. But it was very necessary at the present
time, more especially in the present state of our rely
tions with the United States, to call attention to the
elements of strength which this aatiou possessed in the

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once to lig what Power was called in to give any opinion
upon the matter ; but that, having placed a certain in-
terpretation upon a.' treaty, we could not admit that
because we were told that anuther interpretation had
prevailed, we ought to adopt that new interpretation.
My lords, into this que3tipn I do not now wish to go any
further ; but when the subject comes to be considered in
the United States, and when public opinion is brought
to bear upon it, as it is upon every subject in America,
I am sure that it will strike every one that our efforts
have been honest and sincere. (hear.) I will only say,
, conclusion, that I have heard with the greatest satis-

HOUSE OF COMMONS.-(YESTERDAY.)

The SPEAKER took the chair at 5 minutes to 4 o'clock.
PRIVATE BUSINESS.
The Hampstead Junction Railway Bill was read a
;hird tima and passed.
ANNUITIES (No. 2) BILL.

Oa tho motion of the CHANCELLOR of the Excrmatn
,his bill wai read a third time and named.
THE BALLOT.

Major REED gave notice that on the 24th of June
he would move for a select committee to receive evidence
from constituencies on the subject of open voting and
limitation of the franchise.
THE NATIONAL DEBT.

Mr. P. URQUHART gave notice that he would, on
an early day, move for a select committee to inquire into
the possibility of paying off the national debt by termi-
nable annuities.
ADJOURNMENT OF I'HE HOUSE.

Lord PALMERSTONIimoved that the house, on its
rising, adjourn till Friday. He need not state
his reasons for making the motion--(laughter)--and he
had no doubt the house would agree with it. (Hear,
hear.)
Mr. HADFIELD called upon the noble lord to ex-
plain to the house how he intended to act with refer-
ence to the public business.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said it
was the intention of the Government that the House
should go into Committee of Supply on Monday night,
to proceed with the Civil Service Estimates, after that
with those for the Army and Navy. It would be pre-
mature to enter into the disposal of other business.
THE CASE OF MR. POLLOK.
Sir M. STEWART called the attention of the house
to the petition of Mr. Allan Pollok, a Scotch gentle.
man, who has purchased two estates in Ireland under
the Incurnbered Estates Court, referring to
certain statements contained in a petition recently
presented to the house, complaining of the harsh treat
merit of that gentleman towards the tenantry on these
estates, in evicting them without compensation. The
hon. baronet, on the part of Mr. Pollok, denied the
accusatiocs contained in the petition alluded to. That
gentleman was obliged, in certain instances, to take
proceedings
against some of the tenantry to obtain
possession of the land, aid not for the pup tse
of evicting them that he might depopulate the district.
done for the comfort of the
Everything was being
tenants and the improvement of the property.
Mr. M‘MAHON, who presented the petition com-
plaining of Mr. Pollolee cdriduct, defended the course
he had punned in this matter. He stated nothing
whan he presented the petition on his own know-
ledge—(cries of " Oh, al, and " Hear")—but retied
entirely on the statement of the petitioners, who, for
special reasons, selected him to present it. He was
ready to be judged by the facts before the house, and
called upon Mr. Pollok to deny his (Mr. ll‘Mahon's)
statements point blank, and not by special pleading.
After some further cnnversation,
Mr. G. IL MOORE said tile true statement of the
case, divested of special pleading on either side, was
this—the old tenants had peen turned into farm labour.
ere, were well paid, and comfortable. As long an the
system continued no doubt the labourers would be well
off. But he believed Mr. Pollok was about to re-let his
estates in large farms, and if the new tenauts did what
every one who (anew the country would adviee them to

The SPEAKER then put the queQtion, and there was
a long pause, f Bowed by cries of " Divide," and counter
cries of " Agree." At last

P.L. KIRK rose and said that be would leave the (lc-
fenc.) of the Established Church to the members of that
Church. He opposed the motion on behalf of the Irish
Presbyterians. He insisted that the voluntary sy,tein
hal proved a total failure, as was shown in the amount
of ignorance and depravity which existed in England.
Let Englishmen reform their own system, and then it
would be time enough to reform the social system of
Ireland.

Mr. FRE WEN" moved for an aldress for copy of an
act passed by the Lords and Commons, in Parliament
assembled on the 9th day of February, in the year ]647,
for the repairing of churche3 and payments of churn
duties," being cap. 105 of the acts passed by the Pariia•
ment generally termed the Long PArliamen%
Captain L. VELV•TON moved a res,lution, " That it
the opinion of tine house that it will be to the advan•
tage of the service to employ generAl officers from the
scientific corps on !;he staff of the army."
An hon. MENIBEII here moved that the house be
Counted.

There being only 27 members present, the house ad•
jourued at iia:f•past 1 o'clock.

Mr. LINDSAY defended the voluntary system.
Mr. NEWDEGATE sarcastically congratulated tho
Roman Catholic members of Ireland on their having ob-
tained a member of another denomination to do their
work. He hoped the house would mark with reproba-
tion this attempt to destroy the Protestant Church of
Ireland at a time when Protestantism was making rapid
progress in that country. He charged Mr. Miall with
being a Jesuit in disguise.
Mr. POLLARD•URQUHART contended that the
old compromise with respect to the ecclesiastical estab-
lishment of Ireland could no longer be maintained. The
Maynooth grant could not be maintained for above a
year or two longer. The house must, therefore, consi-
der the propriety of keeping up a Church Establishment
altogether, and he for one was prepared to abolish it, as
it bad done no good to the best interests of Protes-
tantism.

Mr. G. A. HAMILTON complained that the Go-
vernment had taken no part in this discussion. He ad-
mitted that Mr. Miall ha I made an able and, apart from
its plan, a temperate speech ; but the plan he thought
was extravagant in the extreme. He thought an estab-
lished church was the inculcator of truth; and in that
point of view he thought that the endowment of all sects
must be an inconsistency. He denied that the Church
establishment in Ireland had proved a failure, and he
did not believe that the house could be persuaded to
a motion, the effect of which must be the destruction of
the Established Church of Ireland.

Mr. W. J. FOX remarked upon the fact that the Act
of Union did not bind the house to preserve the tempo-
ralities of the Irish Church.

POST-OFFICE NOTICES.

Mr. STAFFORD denounced the silence of the Go-
vernment on this question, and taunted Mr. Horsman
in particular with his silence. Assuming that he knew
nothing about the matter, Mr. Stafford informed him
than it was intended to dispose of the Church lands to
the Irish landlords on most reasonable terms, and asked
him to get up and toll the house what he thought of the
question?
Mr. HADFIELD taunted Mr. Stafford with the fact
that neither he nor any of his leaders bad dareil to give
any vote on the Maynooth question. He strongly sup-
ported the motlon.
Mr. NAPIER would tell Mr. Miall that his scheme
could not be carried out without a struggle on the part
of the Protestants, which he feared to contemplate. lie
warned the house, therefore, not to interfere with exist.
ing settlements.
Lord PALMERSTON jocularly expressed his grati-
fication to find that hon. gentlemen opposite wt re so
araious to know what were the opinions of the Govern- '
ment, :being unable, as it appeared, to make up their
own minds till they ha her Mtijesty's G-)verrnent to
it-uide them. fie d( precated these reltweus dißcussions
in this house, which only led to discord and feud. On
this occasion he would confine himself to the political
p trt, of the question. He reits-rated the argument of
Mr. Miall, that the Act of Colon had nothing to do
with this question. To say that it applied only to doe'

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faction front the noble earl, who is a far belterjudgeia
this matter than I could be myself, that in all cla.ses in
the United Stites there exists a must friendly feeling
towards this c tuntry. I say that because, amongst cer-
tain public men in the Congress, and amongst certain
official men, there has been language held, and there
have been acts done, which if any member of
your lordship'' house,
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