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been taken to prevent any breach of the peace on the occa-
sion in question. A magistrate was in attendance, accom-
panied by 30 efficient constabulary, and no disturbance took
place in the town itself, but in the evening the disturbance
alluded to occurred in the north-west and western suburbs.
He believed that two lives had been sacrificed,
and an ,nqairy was now going on in regard to this un-
for tmiat e affair.
In reply to Lord NAAS and Mr. COGAN,
Mr. CARDWELL said that he could furnish no addi-
tional information on the subj.:ct.

FORESHORE AT PEMBROKE.
Lord W. GRAHAM asked the Secretary to the Admi-
ralty if he could state whether the foreshore sold at Pem-
broke Dock by . the Woods and Forests, five or six years
ago, was sold with or without consultation with the Admi-
ralty, and with or without its approbation;, and whether
any inquiries had since been made, with a view to the re-
purchase of the same P

Lord C. PAGET said that in 1854 the ground in ques-
tion ad been purchased of Government, and the Admiralty
consented to that purchase. The parties who purchased
did not complete the purchase, but they afterwards offered
to do so, but a delay took place in consequence of the pro-
perty being in Chancery. In 1858 the Admiralty refused
to perform the contract, but were directed by the Vice-
Chancellor, before whom the case was heard, to do so.
COUNCIL OF EDUCATION.
Mr. ADDERLEY asked the Vice •President of the Com-
mittee of Council on Education whether the Education
Commissioners were about to make any report ; and whether
the absence of the Duke of Newcastle would cause a sus-
pension of their proceedings ? .
Mr. LOWE was understood to say that the proceedings
would be delayed in consequence of the absence of his
Grace the Duke of Newcastle.
BRONZE COINAGE.

In reply to Mr. HOPWOOD,
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that
a delay had taken place in the issue of the coinage in ques-
tion, but in coisequence of the absence of the Master of the
Mint he could not supply the necessary information.

CHINA.
On bringing up the resolution of the committee of supply
for a vote of £446,000 to defray the expenses of the war in

Sir J. PAKINGT ON gave notice that he would enter
into some personal explanations arising out of statements
made relative to himself on a previous evening.
Mr. ROEBUCK said that the people of England had
been at first deceived in reference to the question of the war
with China. He believed that if they were sufficiently in-
formed on the matter they would at once perceive that this
war was neither for the honour nor the interests of this
country. The war commenced with an attempt on the part
of this country to force the opium trade on the Chinese,
who had no desire whatever to enter into commercial rela-
tion with Englishmen. Then the treaty of Tein-tsin was
pressed on the Chinese, and her dealings throughout with
that people was a disgrace to the morality of western civi-
lisation. The hon. and learned member then proceeded to
denounce the course adopted by our representative in re•
&reticle to the affair of the Peiho.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that
he did not wish to deprecate discussion on the question.
(Hear, hear.) It was most desirable that the people of
England should be in possession of correct information in
reference to the subject, which could not be obtained except
from the careful study of certain documents of which
the honourable and learned member (➢lr. Roe-
buck) had given too general an idea to con-
stitute him a proper guide. He denied that the treaty
of Tien -tsin was forced on the Chinese, or that it was
carried by any treachery on the part of the English repre-
sentatives, as it had the sanction of the Emperor of China.
With respect to the passage of the Peiho, they had been
deceived as regarded the fortifications, and he repeated that,
in order to understand the whole subject, it was necessary
that the documents to which he had alluded should be
studied.

After some discussion the resolution was agreed to.
BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE.

On the motion for going into committee of ways and

means,

Mr. NEWDEGATE moved "That the rules against
proceeding with opposed notices and orders after a
quarter before six o'clock on Wednesdays, under
the standing order of the 19th day of July, 1854, b•
applied to all business standing for evening sittings,
upon which debate shall arise after one o'clock in the
morning during the remainder of the session. He
contended that the course which was taken in respect
to business was derogatory to the dignity of the house and
injurious to the public interests. Bills of an important de-
scription were sometimes introduced at so late an hour of
night that they could not receive the necessary considera-
tion, and many important bills were abandoned altogether.
After some remarks from Mr. E. James, Sir G. Lewis,
and Mr. Disraeli,
Lord PALMERSTON said that the present•session had
been a very peculiar one—(hear, hear, and laughter)—and
he denied that any blame was attributable to the Govern-
ment for any delays that had taken place in reference to
certain measures. He considered they had rules enough
to regulate them, and he objected to any arbitrary resolu-
tion on this matter, which he thought should be left to the
discretion of the house. With respect to the lateness of
the hours to which they occasionally sat, he begged to re-
mind hon. members that
" The best of all ways,
To lengthen our days,
Was to steal a few hours from the night."

(Laughter.)
After a few words from Mr. HENLNY,
Mr. NEWDEGATE withdrew his motion, and the sub-
ject dropped.
BANKRUPTCY AND INSOLVENCY BILL.
In reply to Mr. RUNT,
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said he proposed to
proceed with this bill. Over 400 clauses of another bank-
ruptcy bill had been agreed to in one morning sitting, and
he hoped to carry the remaining 400 clauses of this bill
in another sitting. (Laughter.)
WAYS AND MEANS.

The house then went into Committee of Ways and
Means.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER—Sir, upon
a recent evening, the right hon. baronet the member for
Droitwich raised very fairly an issue with respect to the
conduct of her Majesty's Government in regard to the
finances of the country, and said that in the state and pro-
spects of the public expenditure, it was not just for them to
have dealt with, or as he expressed it, to have tampered
with, the finances its the month of February last. I only
refer to that for the purpose of saying that I think no more
proper subject of discussion could be raised, and that I
hink the opportunity has arrived for discussing it. But
with these matters of attack and defence I have no concern.
I shall confine myself entirely to matters of business, and
to the provision which her Majesty's Government propose
to the house to make in order to meet the expenditure which
has been voted in supply. The committee will have per-
ceived that there stand upon the paper two motions in my
name. One relates to a sot of resolutions which have not
before been printed ; the other to a set which the commit-
tee have seen printed for a length of time. One set of reso-
lutions is te provide for the recent vote of supply with re-
gard to China ; the second is that portion to which the right
hon. gentleman halt just alluded, which has not yet been
sanctioned, of the financial measures of the month of Feb-
ruary last. Sir, the latter I dismiss entirely at present ;
and I confine myself to an explanation of the former. I
wish to lay before the committee the exact state of the case
with regard to the charges, as far as we are able to state them,
that have now been incurred with regard to Chins ; because
on a former eccasion I fear I was in some degree to blame for
not having clearly explained them, and her Majesty's Go-
vernment are desirous that no misapprehension should exist.
In February last the provision made for the Chinese expe-
dition was £850,000., to be charged on the finances of theyear
then expiring, 1859-60, and a further sum of about double
that amount, namely £1,700,000, to be charged on the ways
and means of the financial year then about to commence,
1560-61. These sums together amounted to £2,250,000. I
confine myself to round numbers for the convenience of
the committee, and that was the whole provision which it
was proposed to the house to make on account of the expe-
dition to China, whilst it was still an expedition only, and
before we had any knowledge that it would necessarily have
a directly warlike operation. The sum that is now further
proposed on account of the warlike operations of the same
expedition is a sum of somewhat greater amount, namely,
£2,850,000. The vote upon the table is indeed somewhat
larger than this; but two items are comprehended in the
figures I have just stated. They include a sum of £500,000, a
provision which was made in the financial arrangements of
February, though the vote of supply was only taken last
week, and also a sum of £400,000 on account of the previous
war in China, which may be called the war of 1857, a charge
of which we had no knowledge that it would occur ,in
February, and for which no financial provision has been made.
Therefore the whole charge of the present expedition to
China, arising from the occurrences at the mouth of the
Peiho down to the present period, so far as the Government
eau state or conjecture them, is £5,400,000, to which is to be
added the sum of 1450,000 :due to the former war. And
perhaps it may be a matter of interest to the committee that
I should state, in passing, the expense of a former war with
China,in order that they may understand, along with other
matters applicable to the subject, the tendency to a great
increase of charge which is attendant upon the course of our
present operations. The war of 1840 must have lasted, I
think, between two and three years. I believe that Sir li..
last
about treaty was in 1842, so that the war would
of
about two-and-a-half years ; and the whole expense
that war chargeable to this country was no more than
£3,200,000. So that the whole expense of that war,
carried en for the length of time I have described, was no
more than £700,000 in excess of the sum which the Govern-
meat invited this house to provide for the present expedi.
tion, even while the occurrence of a war was a matter entirely
problematical. The whole expense of that war te this
country, because a portion of it was borne by the East India
Company, was only £4,200,000—a sum less by £1,200,000
than that which the house will have provided—has, I may
say, provided—at least consented te charge during the pre-
sent session, on account of the war that has now commenced.
That is the state of the case as regards the amount of charge
......5,5,400,000 on account of the present expedition, and
£50,500 on account of the war of 1857, making togethe