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THE MOULTON SCHOOL BILL,

This bill went through committee.
THE MAGDALEN HOSPITAL (BATH) BILL.
This bill also went through corumitt-e.
THE STOKE POGES HOSPITAL BILL.

This bill likewise went through cenpoittee.
INDUSTRIAL AND PROVIDENT SOCIETIES

BILL.

Lord ASHBURTON moved the second reading of
this bill. Doubts and difficulties had arisen in the act
of last session which this bill was to remove.
The bill was read a second time.
REFORMATORY AND INDUSTRIAL SCHOOLS

desired it to be carried on to Exeter. If we had been
lately at war with France inste-ad of Rua-ia, we shculd
have found the greamot difficulty in c nveying forces
along the coast. He trussed, therefore, that the double
line would becompleted, and withoutaoy postponement.
If 20 mks could be done one year, 20 more could h-,
done in the next year, and in a third year the whole
would be completed. The company did not want funds,
for their shares were above par.
Lord STANLEY said he believed the promise to be-
gin the double line was bona fide, but he thought the
company's request for delay after the first 20 miles
were completed was reasonable.
On the motion of Lord STANLEY of ALDERLEY,

The house adjourned at 16 zoinute4 p 1.4 t seven, until
Monday next, to-day (Friday) being the annivenary of
her Majesty's acce3,qcn.

HOUSE OP COMNIONS.--(IfEsTERDAY.)
THE AUSTRALIAN MAILS.
Mr. T. CHAMBERS asked whether there was any
objection to lay the tenders for the conveyance of the
mails to and from Australia, and which he understood had
been opened on the previous day, before the house ?
Mr. J. WILSON replied that the tenders had reached
him only just before he came down to the house, and
would be exemined by him in the course of the evening.
There were objections against laying them on the table,
but the Government intended to accept the lowest in
price and the shortest in time, and he would state the
restat to-morrow ('his due).
BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE.
In reply to queatione froin Mr. T. Hawkey, Mr. New-
degete, and Mr. Hadfield,
Sir G. GREY intimated that the National Gallery
Site Bill would be taken to-morrow evening, and after-
wards the Cambridge University Bill. He intended to
ask the h-use to give a second reading to the City of
London Corperation Bill, if posaible, in the course of
next week. He would give notice of the day.
Lord PALMERSTON ad led, that as other business
intervened to prevent the Wills and Administration Bill
being proceeded wiah on Monday, as previeuslyarranged,
his hon. friend the Solicitor-General would bring it on
on Thursday next. He did not think it likely that the
Church-rate Bill would come on to-morrow. The ar-
rangements mentioned by his right hon. friend of course
depended upon their getting through the estimates that
evening ; if not, they would begin the business of to-morrow
evening with the estunatee, and if there was time after- '
wards the Agricultural Statistics Bill would be taken.
THE GOVERNMENT DEFEAT ON TUESDAY.
Mr. WALPOLE—I understand that the noble 'ord
made an annooncement yesterday to the house in answer
to a question put to him by the hon. member for Louth,
that he considered that the resolution to which the house
came on Tuesday ought to be reversed, and that he
would eive up Monday, a Government day, to the hon.
member to move a resolution on the subject. (Cheers
from the ministerial benches.) That I think was the
effect of the noble lord's announcement. (" Hear, hear,"
from Lord Palmerston.) Will the noble lord permit me
to ask him, supposing he sees no objection to putting, the 1
house now in possession of the information, whether be 1
is prepared to state what course the Government propose
to take on Monday on the subject of Irish national edu-
cation ?
Lord PALMERSTON—It is perfectly true that my
hon. friend the member for the county of Louth announced
yesterday that it was his intention to propose to the
house on an early day some motion or resolution tend-
ing to reverie the decision to which the house came on
Tuesday, and begged to know what early day the Go
vernrnent would be prepared to give him for that pun
pose. I stated in answer that I thought the matter so
important, the decision to which the house hail cmue to
be so nrechievoue, and the urgency of recensateratien so
great, that I would give him the earliest day the Govern.
went cou:d afferd for bringing the question for ward,
and that he should have precedence on Monday next.
Mr. WALPOLE—The noble lord will parlon m, fer
saying that that is scarcely all anee e,- t ) my question. It
is important that Peeietiment should reqeire—an .1 it
ought to require—am be infermed what course her Ma•
jesty's Government prop \se to take in reference te. any
motion that may be made for rescinding the address to
the Crown which was voted on Tuesday last by the
House of Commons on the subject of national education
in Ireland.
Lord PALMERSTON—I really can hardly suppose,
after what I have already tated, that the right hon. gen
tleman can entertain any doubt on the subject. Always
as4uming that the motion of my hon. friend is unobjec-
tionable in point of form, which I cannot doubt, her Ma
jFsty'e Government will feel it their duty to support it,
or any motion tending to reverse the decision the house
came to on Tuesday last. (Hear, hear.)
Lord NAAS—When the hon. member for Louth is
in his place I •hall ask him what is the form or the mo-
tion he prop -es to bring forward on the subject of na-
tional education in Ireland. (Hear.)
MR. CRAMPTON'S DISMISSAL.
Mr. GLADSTONE gave notice tat he would to-
morrow, on the motion fer the adjournmentef the house
to the fallowing Monday, inquire when Mr. Marcy's
despatch in relation to the dismissal of Mr. Crampten
would he laid before the house. (Hear.)
SUPPLY—THE CL AIMS OF THE SCIENTIFIC
CORPS.
On the motion that the house go into committee on
the army estimates,
Capt. L. VERNON rose, pursuant to notice, to move
a resolution, that it is the opinion of this house that it
will he to the advantage of the service to employ gene-
, ral ~fEct,-; from the scientific corps on the staff of th,-
, army. Pic eh.e rved that about sixteen monillA ago the
, Clerk of the Ordnance, in detailing the estimates for that
branch of the public service, pointed out the advantages
I which would result to the scientific coree by the trans
i ferenca of the military brine!' of the Ordnance to the
H Tee Guards, in opening up to them staff appoint-
ments, from which the; had previously been excluded
The premise thus conveyed that the offickre of the
artillery and engineers would he allowed to compete
for staff appointments gave great satisfaction at the I
time, but hitherto not a single staff nppeirament in the 1
army—he meant as contranietinguiehed from the depart-
-1 mental staff—had been given to any one of those officers.
The Under Secretary for War recently stated that there
would be no objection to the employment in such ap-
poiritenents of the officers of the scientific corps in pro-
portion to the officers of the rest of the arny —that was
in the proportion of one in twenty. That, however, we,,
not the fair proportion, which should be one in five.
But not a single general officer of the scientific Corp:
had been appointed, and he would state. how they had
been treated by the Horse Guards. When General -imp-
son was removed from Portemouth the command then
devolved upon a major-general of engineers, hut his ap-
peintemment was not confirmed, and he had to give place
to a general officer of the lino, who was his junior, and
afterwards, when he was removed to Aldershott, he was
ee.ployed in enia.rinten.lino the er-ctione Of the wooden
shede Take a case on foreign service—Sir J. Burgoyne,
when our army first set down before eeeleistopel, was
seem d in c' mmand to Lord Realm), and ought to have
Isucceeded him, but being an engineer officer be was
removed. Ho was fully acqnaintal with the nature
of the fortifications—had stated what afterwards turned
1 nu to he true, that the Maiakhoff was time key to the
p, sition, aid that that taken the other fortifications
would fall ore after the other like a pack of car4—and
had he succeeded to the c ',nonacid, he w,,iild have had
the tight t i direct half the attack with the French corn
man,h-r-in•chie, rind wonfl, doubtle,s, have made a faint
ion the Redan, instead of a regular isanit. How did the
French treat time efficers of their scientific corps ? When
the rank of oeneral was react eel, they !cave them the
Icommand of divisions like the officer, of the line. Let
Lim give a few instances in tee French service. ammo
merit, who was a marshal of France, and who served in
51 battles and numerous sieges, was an artilery officer.
Picheeru was an artillery officer. Napoleon I himself
was an artillery officer. 'garment, Duke of Ragusa, was
;n the artillery ; it is said that he went first into the
line, but did not find scope for his genius there, and
so he wet int, time scientific awes. Then, in the
present day, Laeaericiere and Cavaignee, who were
k-own to he superior to Peliseier and Camirobert, and
to St. Arnaud, who was now known to be superior
to the two others, were officers of eneirieers. Iledean
was in the arialery ; and last of all, Marshal Vaidaeit
the iilinister of War, was also in the engineers. In the
East India Company's service the scientific corps were
Put on the staff and in commands. In Cabulaf M`Naghten
had taken the advice of a eubiltern of engineers he
would not have fallen in the disastrous events which t mok
place ; and when another campaign was to he under-
taken in Afigha.nictan the command cvaseiven to Pell. ck, I
an artillery officer. In the Kaffir war, Tyldeo, then a
subaltern sf engineers, who wee afterwards killed at I
Sehastepol, was surrounded, with only 6 sappers, by a I
numerous body of Kaffirs ; and althoueh it seemed
hopeless that be could escape, yet by great skill he ex•
tricated himself, and he gained such a reputation that Sir
Josias Clnete said that he was the officer beet calculated
to be male a general of division. When the Turkish
Contingent was to be organised, the first. person chosen
was Chesney of the artillery, Williams of Kars
was in the artillery, arid his eget land (Teesdale) was
also in the artillery, anti his left, if he might use the
phrase (Lake), was an officer of engin.-ere. (dear.) He
had shown that the officers , f the scieivitie corps in the
French service acquired dietinctien because a chance was
given them. As long as Sehast ,pot was remembered
the names of Dacres and Dupuis of the artillery must be
remembered, and they had become general officers, while
Chapman and Gordon of the engineers, who respectively
ceminanded the right and left attack, weuld shortly
reach that rank. When these officers became generals
they would be swept from the active list, and never heard
of, and their military talents would be lost to the coun-
try, Re thought he had shown that our scientific corps
Ought to have a chance for stiff appointments and com-
mand., and he hoped the house would affirm his resolu-
fon.
Mr' l'• PEEL said he entirely agreed in the principle
he believed it would hon,
and
of the resolution of
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gallant gentleman, and
to
be
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to
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the scientific corps to .
whether the G verninentr'efiloturloPeln; lobut the question
care. as in the case of the particular eel- :
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member at Pertsmouth, eft„
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ways to be left to their discretion. warrant of : 1
1854 power was viven to employ
and be saw no reason why colonels Who
the scientific corps should not be selected for those com-
mands,
mends, and if ,they gave satisfaction being confirmed in-
them. Col. Chapman and Col. Gordon, of whom the l
hon. and gallant gentleman Lad spoken as comnamidit,g : ,
the right and lel- attacks at Sebastopol, who had a. i 1
tained brevet lieutenent colocelciee whihl on that eel..
vice, when they had nttained the rack of colonel, would
be perfectly eligible for the staff and the commands of .'
districts. He could see no objection to the spirit of the 1
resolution, but he saw no advantne in its being adopted