The Sun.
London, England, 1860-07-24 00:00:00

SUPPLY.

The house then went into a committee of supply on the
Civil Service Estimates.
On the vote of £14,595 for the expense of the royal
palaces,
Mr. AUGUSTUS SMITH thought that before going
into committee the Secretary of the Treasury should have
favoured the house with some statement by way of explana-
tion as to the nature of the estimates. At this late period of
the session it was not possible for hon. members to give•
those estimates due consideration, and therefore the Govern-
ment were to blame in not at an earlier period giving a fair
op-Jortunity to hon, members of discussing them.
Mr. LAING said the estimate had been prepared with
great care, and that on the aggregate, as compared with last
year, there had been a large decrease. The Government
admitted that the present system of accounts and audit was
not satisfactory, but they intended to devote their attention
during the recess to an investigation of the whole matter,
and would probably be able at the beginning of next session
to lay the results of their inquiry before Parliament.
After some discussion, the vote was agreed to.
The next vote proposed was the sum of £119,529 for
public buildings, _

Mr. W. WILLIAMS referred to the great increase of
the sum required for the civil service, and said it was his
intention to take the sense of the committee on the excess
in the present vote, amounting this year to no less a sum
than £20,812.
Mr. COWPER hoped the hon. member would not have
opposed this vote, as there was a decrease this year, as com-
pared with the last year, to the amount of £3,211.
Mr. MILDMAY moved that the vote should be reduced
by the sum of £l,2oo—an item stated to be for the expense
of a house to contain the Wellington funeral car, which he
thought was unworthy of having mosey expenied upon it
—by whom such a thing was designed he knew not. (Hear.)
Lord J. MANNERS always objected to questions of
taste being submitted to that house. The car was used
upon a memorable and national occasion, and it would be
desirable, when it became necessary to remove it, there
should be a proper place provided for its reception.
Mr. J. LOCKE regarded the proposed institution as a
folly. (Cheers and laughter.) They would have to provide
for the keeping, warming, and cleansing of this new build-
ing, and as a body of practical men, he called upon the
house to reject the vote.
Mr. COWPER said he quite felt the difficulty of the oc-
casion. Here was a car used on a memorable occasion, and
it was owing to its associations with the remains of that
great hero who was held in honour in this country. There
was .nothing more visited in London, or in which greater
interest was manifested by the people generally, and he did
not think that either the people or the house would like it
to be broken up.
Mr. E. JAMES supposed the Chief Commissioner rase to
withdraw the vote. He really did not think him serious,
and hoped he would at once withdraw the vote.
Lord C. HAMILTON suggested that the car might be
taken to the Tower. (Cries of "Divide.")
Mr. COWPER would be very sorry if the car was not
placed in a proper situation, but as the opinion of the house
was against the vote he would withdraw it.
The item was then withdrawn.
Mr. 'WILLIAMS moved that the vote be reduced by
£6BO, being the expense incurred for keeping up the Eccle-
siastical Commission.
Sir G. C. LEWIS thought it was reasonable the publio
should pay a portion of the commission.
Lord J. MANNERS was of opinion that when they app
pointed an Ecclesiastical Commission to manage Church
property they ought to pay the expense of providing theca
with an office.
Mr. WALPOLE defended the vote.
Mr. WILLIAMS contended that this office was not for
public purposes, but for the Church, and it ought to be paid
out of property belonging to it.
The committee divided, when the numbers were—
Fer the amendment ..
Against it . 179
Majority ...
—ll3
On the motion that a sum of £29,000, a portion of the
vote, be granted to her Majesty for the maintenance and
repairs of public buildings and offices,
Mr. CHILDERS was desirous to know whether the
country was spending more this year than in the last for
the rent and repairs of public offices.
Sir J. SHELLEY took exception to the vote.
Mr. CO WPER, in answer to the hon. member .(Mr.
C hilders), said there was a comparison to be instituted be-
tween this year and the last, and looking at the vote in that
way, the increase this year amounted to £3,211.
After a few words from Lord J. MANNERS and Mr.
MONSELL,
Mr. COWPER said the reasons why the public offices
were rented in private houses were well known. The sub-
ject had been frequently discussed, and while he admitted
that it would in many respects be preferable to have these
offices combined, and owned by the Government itself, yet
that was a large question, on which he would not then enter.
He would only say, that as long as the present system was
allowed to exist, they ought to be prepared to pay a fair
rental for the buildings they required for the public service.
Mr. E. JAMES wished to have some explanation of the
item for the Chancellor of the Exchequer's stable, and of
that also of £56 per annum for a suspicious-looking house,
called Manley Cottage, on Kennington-common. (Cheery
and laughter.)
Mr. COWPER said that the stable in question had been
attached to the official residence of the Chancellor of the
Exchequer, and he did not suppose the hon. and learned
gentleman meant to object to it. As to the house on Ken-
nington-common, he knew nothing about it, except that
it was well tenanted, and that they paid the rent of it.
(Great laughter.)
The vote was then agreed to.
The next vote was one of £23,000 for the supply and
repair of furniture for the various public departments.
Sir J. SHELLEY said that that vote required great
consideration. A great deal of reform and economy had
taken place in this department, but their experienee in the
Kensington Museum showed that still greater improve-
ments might be effected. He wished to call the attention
of her Majesty's Government to the subject, as one which
espircially called for it,.
Mr. A. SMITH, as a member of the committee which
had sat on the subject, observed that the vote had increased
to £23,000 from £12,000 in 1841; and of the money voted
last year there remained £12,000 in hand. He should there-
fore move to reduce the vote by £12,000. The School of
Art, Brompton, alone received £2,900 for furniture, and ho
should propose to include that sum in the reduction.
Mr. WILLIAMS moved that the Chairman report pro-
gress.
Mr. COWPER thought the amendment would introduce
confusion into the accounts, as money voted and not Ex'
pended was returned into the Exchequer.
The motion for reporting progress was withdrawn, and
the committee divided upon the vote, when the numbere
were—

For the amendment
Against it
Majority --118
The amendment was lost, and the vote was agreed to.
On the motion that the amendments be reported to the
house,
Lord J. MANNERS asked when the paper duties would
be brought forward ?
Lord PALMERSTON said he had stated twice that
evening that due notice would be given on that subject.
On Wednesday next the house would again go into Cola"
mitt ee of Supply.
The house resumed. •
MAYNOOTH COLLEGE.
The house went into committee on this bill.
Clause 1 was agreed to.
money to the trustees of MAY nooth repayable by instal"
On clause 2, which gave the commissioners power to lend
ments extending over 22 years,
Mr. SPOONER objected to the clause altogether, as it
would practically preclude the house from dealing with the
question of withdrawing the grant during thst period.
Mr. NEWDEGATE also opposed the clause on the same
grounds.
The committee divided, when the numbers were—
For the clause
Against
Majority for the clause --61
BANK OF IRELAND (No. 2) BILL.
This bill also passed through committee.
GAME CERTIFICATES, &c BILL.
This bill was read a third time and passed.
CORRUPT PRACTICES PREVENTION ACT
(1854) CONTINUANCE BILL.
This bill Was read a second time.
UNIVERSITIES AND COLLEGES ESTATES BILL.
The Lords' amendments to this bill were considered and
agreed to.

Mr. HOPWOOD moved that the Chairman should re•
port progress, which was agreed to.
LANDED PROPERTY IMPROVEMENT (IRE"
LAND ) BILL.
This bill was read a third time.
The house then adjourned at a quarter past three o'olock•

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