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London, England, 1860-08-18 00:00:00

INVESTMENTS BILL.

Lord REDESDALE referred to the motion of
the noble earl the President of the Council,
of moving a suspension of the sessional order,
in favour of this bill in order that it might be read a second
time. After a full consideration he had come to the duller-
mination of not opposing the motion, at the same time he
should defer whatever objection he had to the bill until it
was under discussion.

After a few words from the Earl of DONOUGHMORE and
the Earl of MALMESBURY,

Earl GRANVILLE defended the course taken by the
Government with tespect to this bill. He did not think
that any of the charges of the noble lord on the cross
benches (Monteagle) were at all deserved by the Government.
The resolution fixing the time after which the house would not
take the second reading of a bill unless it was
one of urgency, was, he thought, very objectionable, if
it was too severely pressed, and even if it were not so the
time fixed this session was far too early, having regard to
the prorogation of Parliament. It had been suggested that
a longer notice of the intentions of the Government with
respect to this bill should have been given, but
the:fullest possible notice had been given, having regard
to the arrangements of the Government, and if he had
proposed to delay the consideration of the matter, they
could have been accused of waiting till a number of
peers had left the house. From what had been stated in
so fair a spirit by the three noble lords on the other side, he
thought this house would be able with perfect dignity to
reverse its original decision on this matter. But should
they have been in that position if, after an acrimonious
debate in the other House of Parliament, they had been
accused and threatened in every possible form ? Would not
such a state of things have made it infinitely more difficult
for them then to retrace their steps ? (Hear, hear.) He had
deemed it necessary to trespass at some length on the at-
tention of their lordships to explain the reasons why he
did not think the noble baron was justified in using towards
them the language which he thought fit to employ the
other night, and which he might have been expected to re-
tract in the course of the evening, when he became a little
cooler. He denied that the noble baron had the slightest
right to employ those offensive epithets, and he could not
help saying that the tone of triumph which the noble lord
assumed deprecatory of them reminded him forcibly of the
lines of the old poet :
" Give me a look, give me a face
Which makes simplicity a grace. (Laughter.)
Hair loosely flowing, robes as free,
Such sweet neglect more taketh me
Than all the adulteries of art,
Which strike the eyes, but not the heart."

(Laughter.) The noble lord did not exactly use that lan-
guage, but he certainly adopted its spirit. In conclusion,
he had only to add that he should be most happy to yield
to the suggestion which had been made to him, that this
question should be postponed till Monday, when he should
move a similar resolution to the one which their lordships
rejected the other evening, together with the second read-
ing of the Savings Banks Bill itself. (Hear, hear.)

Lord MONTEAGLE defended himself from the re-
marks of the noble earl, and said the result of the division
of Monday was as great a surprise to him as to any other
member of their lordships' house. He denied that
he Thad ever imputed to the noble lord personally
a wish to take the house by surprise, and neither did he ac-
cuse him of doing anything unworthy of the high position
he filled in that house.
The Duke of ARGYLL wished to say a few words before
the subject dropped. 4 He did not say, when he made a few
observations on this bill the other evening, that it was
technically one of aid and supply, but he did say it was a
money bill, and if altered in their lordships' house it would
raise a question of privilege with the other house. He hoped
that any bill of that description would receive the attention
of their lordships at whatever time it came up from the
Commons.

The subject then dropped.
VOLUNTEER CORPS.

The Earl of MALMESBURY called attention to the
expense and inconvenience of calling out detached corps
of volunteers in rural counties to a distance from their head-
quarters for the purpose of inspection during times of peace.
He objected to anything that might check the noble ardour
of these patriotic men. The institution should become per-
manent in this country, and it required great tact, courtesy,
and judgment in dealing with this subject. The corps about
London were composed of men to many of whom neither
time nor money was of much consequence, but in the coun-
try the corps were composed mostly of the sons of small
farmers, to whom time was invaluable, and whose means
were far from abundant. Those corps about him in the
country were mostly situated twenty or five-and-twenty
miles apart, and to battalionise them would lead to great
expense on the part of the members of the corps. The Lord
Lieutenant of Hampshire had recommended that the dif-
ferent corps of volunteers in that county should be brought
to Winchester and there drilled in battalions, but that would
put each man to great personal expense, and be most inju-

rious to the movement. He doubted whether the Lord Lieu-
tenant could call out the corps in times of peace, and hoped
for an answer from her Majesty's Government on that point,
Earl DE GREY was obliged to the noble lord for having
mentioned this subject. Her Majesty's Government had
no desire to put the volunteer corps to this expense and in-
convenience, and they had no power to do so, because it was

only in case of invasion or war that her Majesty's Govern-
ment had that power. All that the Government had de-
cided was that if the corps in any county desired it, every
facility should be given to the object in view, and that the
commanding officer of the district should be there to direct
the movement. Ho trusted the explanations he had had
given would be satisfactory to the noble earl.
RIFLE VOLUNTEER CORPS BILL.

The amendments were reported and agreed to.
REFRESHMENT HOUSES AND WINE LICENSES
(IRELAND) BILL.

The house went into committee on this bill.
On clause 3,
Lord DENMAN moved an amendment to the effect, that
any person applying for a licence under the act, should
produce a certificate from the inspector of constabulary,
stating that he had kept his shop for twelve months pre-
vious to the application.
After a few words from Earl GRANVILLE,
Lord DE NTM A.N said that possibly the noble earl would
consider his amendment with the view of introducing it on
bringing up the report.
On clause 8,
The Marquis of WESTMEATH deprecate) the policy
of taking away from the magistrates the power of giving
licences to such houses as would be licenced under this bill.
The Earl of DONOUGHMORE moved an amendment

to this clause, to be inserted after line 26, the effect of which
would be to prevent such licences being given in any city,
borough, or town containing less than 4,000 inhabitants.
Upon which their lordships divided, when the numbers
were—

Contents
Non-contents
Majority against the amendment
The remaining clauses were agreed to.
POOR RELIEF, &c., (IRELAND) BILL.
....

The report of amendments on this bill was brought up
and agreed to.

LOCAL GOVERNMENT SUPPLEMENTAL BILL,
This bill was read a third time and passed.
GAS (METROPOLIS) BILL.
This bill was read a third time and passed.
The Spirits Bill went through committee.
Their lordships then adjourned.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.—(YESTERDAY.)
The SPEAKER took the chair shortly after 12 o'clock.

PRIVATE BUSINESS.

The Lards' amendments to the Galway Harbour Bill
were considered and agreed to.

WAYS AND MEANS.

The house went into committee of ways and means.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved
the following resolutions:—

" 1. That, towards making good the supply granted to
her Majesty, the Commissioners of her Majesty's Treasury
be authorised to raise any sum of money, not exceeding
£2,000,000 sterling, by the issue of Exchequer Bonds or
Exchequer Bills.
" 2. That the principal of all Exchequer Bonds, which
may be so issued, shall be paid off, at par, at the expiration
of any period not exceeding six years from the date of such
Bonds.
" 3. That the interest of such Exchequer Bonds shall be
Payable half-yearly, and shall be charged up on and issued
out of the Consolidated Fund of the United Kingdom, or the
rir'iug produce thereof."
. considered it right to make a few observations in re-
sPect to these .
larger areouutresolutions, as they contained a demand for a
the session wolliofamoney than he stated in the early part of
as regarded tibe required for the public service. So far
place the same
$OOO,OOO, that sum was required to re-
of the Commissioll t of Exchequer Bonds in the hands
eZ
expire in November f the National Debt, which would
fornext.
advisable to ask It was now considered
exceeding X 2,000,000. PIZ% to raise a sum not
of the country, and in the ess7csos from the state
o.oit' the harvest being
inwhialofood continuing,
unfavourable, the high prices
of
operatioBn4is of
and a deficiency in employment,
G overn -
would naturally affect the funds at the dielPle circumstances
ment. Besides there were military
tained. It might not bc necessary to use the be Plain-
and they were merely asked as a precautionary proltiwo:rs)
Sir H. WILLOUGHBY said he had always objset
the principle of Exchequer Bonds, and his opinion waste
altered. The right hon. gentleman (the Chancellor of the

Exchequier) had said that the increase was required from
the state of the country, but he had, in his opinion, really
let fall the true cause, namely, the military operations
that were being carried on in China. He (Sir H. Vil-
loughby) stated previously that he thought the war ith
China would cost this country £7,000,000. _ _

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Mr. "WILLIAMS said that the expenditure of the Go-
vernraent was enormous, and he hoped they would en-
deavour to reduce it.

Mr. HENLEY complained that sufficient notice had not
been even of the intention of the Government with regard
to the increased demand.

After some further discussion, the resolutions were agreed

The house then resumed.
THE IMPROVEMENTS IN WESTMINSTER.

In reply to Sir J. SHELLEY,
Mr. COWPER said that, in the proposed improvements,
it was not likely the south side of Bridge-street would be
pulled down for two years.