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THE CENSUS BILL.

A deputation in support of the Government plan for
securing a religious census, as being preferable to the_fal-
lacious test of 1851, bad ;in interview with Viscount Pal-
merston on Tuesday.
There were present the Right Hon. Benjamin Disraeli,
M.P. ; Lord Robert Montagu, M P;* the Earl of Dart-
mouth ; the Right Hon. Sotheron* *Estcourt, M.P. Sir
James Fergusson, Bart. XP. ; the Right Hon. R. Mow-
bray, M.P ; Sir Brook Bart.,
Bart., M.P. ; the Hon.
Colin Lindsay ; Sir Stafford Northcote,Bart., M.P.; Lord
John Tynne • and Mr. Beresf-ird Hope.
Lord R. Montagu having introduced the deputation,
Mr. DISRAELI said he thought it would be acknowledged
that in the present position of affairs the statistics on which
they were accustomed to act should be corrected. 'Whether
this was a subject on which statistics ought to be intro-
duced was not the question before them. They had been
introduced, and so far that portion of the subject had been
disposed of. The statistical returns of the last census had
been freely adopted, and been made the allegation on which
legislative measures had been introduced into the House
of Commons. It was of the utmost importance that on
this great subject they should have correctness, and
that they should not be asked to depend upon
returns the accuracy of which was very generally sus-
pected. He trusted that his lordship would agree with the
deputation in the opinion that, the statistical element hav-
ing been introduced, the greatest pains should be taken to
secure accuracy in the returns. The decision of the Go •
vernment, in this respect, appeared to hint to have been wise
and well considered, and he trusted that her Majesty's
Government would adhere to that decision. They might
depend upon the cordial support of a very large party, if
they considered it their duty to maintain the opinion they
had formally expressed, and which he believed had been
most wisely adopted.
After remarks from Sir James Fergusson, m.r., Mr. H.
Hoare, Rev. Dr. Molesworth (vicar of Rochdale), Hon. C.
Lindsay, Rev. Dr. Hume (of Liverpool), Rev. T. D. Gregg,
and the Rev. Canon Owen,
Lord PALMERSTON said he had, in the first place, to thank
the deputation for coming there to state their opinions, and
also to assure the Government of their support in maintain-
ing the bill as it now stood. Perhaps the best way in which
he could explain to them his opinions was by telling them
that he had had not very long ago the honour of receiving a
deputation representing the other side of the question, viz.,
from the Dissenters, who stated that it was a great violation
of conscience to require of any man to state what his religious
opinions were. They urged that these were matters between
a man and a higher authority, and that the bill provided that
if these questions were not answered fines and penalties would
be inflicted, which would lead to a system of religious per-
secution, especially if fines and penalties were imposed upon
those who, from conscientious motives, refused to state to
what particular sect they belonged. They had requested
that the bill might be framed on the model t f the last
census, which merely provided for a return of the attend-
ance of the different denominations on a given day. He
told the gentlemen who formed the deputation that this
was really not a matter assuming a religious aspect, but a
question how they should obtain statistical information for
legislative purposes. He told them that in all nations—
in all countries, statistical returns were obtained, show-
ing, for the purposes of legislation and administration,
what were the proportions of
Pther:t"scaleiiraateertwaainaingnevvaer-
rious religious opinions, and
considered an infringement of religious liberty, being
adopted merely for legislative and government action. No
doubt the whole of a census beyond mere numbers of the
population, was an impertinent interference with the affairs
of private life. A man might say, and possibly with justice,
what business have you to ask me whether I am a brick-
layer, a farmer, a tradesman, or anything else, and the softer
part of the community might certainly, with much more
reason, object to being asked what their age was. (Laughter.)
The gentlemen who had waited upon him had stated that
many of the Dissenters would say that they did not belong to
any particular sect, but that they were general Christians.
Well, then, he thought the ladies, when they made their re-

' turns, might say they were of no particular age. (Laughter.)
The return obtained by the last census merely gave the
statement of the number of persons who, on a particular
day, attended religious worship, and this was of course liable
to fluctuations, the relative state of health and sickness, for
example, fine weather or bad—in fact, it indicated nothing
but the accidental presence of persons at particular places
of worship. If it should be thought right to add to the
enumeration of persons belonging to the different re-
ligious denominations a statement of the number of sit-
tings at each place of worship, he was not prepared t 3 say
that that might not be a very fit addition. It might also
show what was the zeal of each denomination in regard
to establishing means of worship in proportien to
their actual numbers. It certainly might be a ques-
tion whether penalties should be inflicted upon those who,
from conscientious motives, did not wish to have their re-
ligious opinions inquired into, but he had always understood
that men were proud in acknowledging the sincere convic-
tion by which they were animated. (Hoar, hear.) It I
must be recollected that the last census, by requiring a
statement of the buildings of the different denominations, '
did, to some extent, enter upon an inquiry as to religious
opinions, because each building was returned as belonging
to one or other of the religious denominations. He saw no
reason for departing from the proposed form of enumeration
—(cheers)--and it appeared to him that no religious person
could have any good reason for taking offence at it. The
object was, simply to ascertain a fact which would be of great
importance as the foundation of legislative action. The
only other points which he thought they had to consider
were, first, that mentioned by the Home Secretary a few
evenings since—namely, whether it might not be expedient
to exempt from penalties conscientious persons who objected
to answer inquiries; and, secondly, whether, in ad-
dition to the enumeration of persons belonging to different
sects, it might not be useful to know the number of sit-
tings in the different buildings employed for religious wor-
ship.
The deputatation then retired.

SPORTING INTELLIGENCE.

HAMPTON RACES.-WEDNESDAY.

The Innkeepers' Plate of 30 sovs, added to a Sweepstakes
of 5 sovs each. Optional selling weights, &c. Three-
quarters of a mile. 4 subs.

Mr. W. Nelson's King of tie Forest, by Orlando, 6 yrs
(X 100), Bst 91b (J. Land) 1
Mr. Thellusson's Confusion, 3 yrs, 7st 71b (G Fordham) 2
Mr. Roe's Foretop, 3 yrs £5O), 6st Gib (Mills) 3
Mr. T. Hughes's Fractious, aged (£80), Bst 21b
(D. Hughes) 4
Betting-5 to 4 agst King of the Forest, 2to 1 agst Con-
fusion, 3to 1 agst Fractious. Won easily by a length and
a half, the others beaten off. The winner was bought for
115 guineas.
The Surrey and Middlesex Stakes (Handicap) of 10 soya
each, 5 ft, and only 2 if declared ; winners extra ; the
second to save his stake. Two miles. 41 subs, 17 of
whom declared.
Mr. Bevill's Claire, 4 yrs, 7st 41b (Edwards) 1
Mr. Rigby's Borderer, 6 yrs, Sat 121 b .... (G Fordbam) 2
Mr. J. Smith's Kinnersley, 5 yrs, Bst 121 b (Plum) 3
The following also ran :—The Greek, Theory, Richberta,
and Ambush.
The Claremont Stakes of 10 soya each, 5 ft, with 50 added ;
for 2-yr-olds ; colts, Bst 71b; fillies, Bst 31b. Certain
winners extra. T.Y.C. 6 subs.
Lord Stamford's Little Lady, by Orlando, Bst 81b (inc.
51b extra) (Edwards) 1
Mr. Fuller's Mountebank, Bst 121 b (including 51b extra)
(G, Fordham) 2
Mr. Mun3y's Lord of the Tees, Sat 716
Mr. Manden's Egeria, Bst 31b (Custance) 4
Betting-2 to lon Little Lady, 4to 1 agst Mountebank.
Little Lady made all the running, and won easily by a
length and a half; a bad third.
The Hurst Plate of 40 soya, added to a Sweepstakes of 5
soya each. Optional selling weights, &c. Three-quarters
of a mile. (6 subs.)
Mr. Brayley's Pescatore, 3 yrs (EV)), 7st 71b.... (Gray) 1
Mr. T. Hughes's Mary Stuart, 3 yrs (£10), 7st 6lb
(Custance) 2
Mr. Herman's Kitty Kingston, 3 yrs (£80), 7st 71b
(Collins) 3

Queen Anne and The Grand Mistress also ran.
Betting—Even on Pescatore, 2 to 1 agst Mary Stuart.
Won in a canter by three lengths, the same distance
separating the third from the fourth. Pescatore was bought
in for 80 guineas.

The Stand Plate of 60 sous (Handicap) ; winners extra, &s.

Three-quarters of a mile.
Mr. W. Bevill's Audrey, 4 yrs, Gst 101 b (Edwards) 1
Sir C. Monk's Prelude, 4 yrs, Bst 71b (Custance) 2
Mr. Henry's Drogheda, 4 yrs, 9st (J. Goater) 3
The following also ran ---New Brighton, Chanoine,
Estella, Codicil, Subterfuge colt, The Gentle, Watersprite,
Schnappe, Pixie, and Kate.

Betting-2 to 1 agst Audrey, 7to 2 sgst New Brighton,
6 to 1 each agst Drogheda, Prelude, and Codicil. Chanoine
went off with the lead, but was soon passed by Prelude
who went on with the running until entering the straight,
when Watersprite led, waited upon by Drogheda. Within
the distance Audrey came, and won easily by two lengths;
a bad third ; Watersprite was fourth, and the Subterfuge
colt fifth ; Estella next. New Brighton and The Gentle
were the last two.

BETTING ON TIIE COURSE.

ST. LEGER.
3to 1 agst Thormanby (taken)
7to 2 agst Wizard (taken)
10 to 1 agst Avalanche (taken)
10 to 1 agst Horror (taken)

THE DERRY.
35 to 1 apt Robin Hood (taken)
40 to 1 agst Brother to Teddington (taken)
40 to 1 agst Wing (taken)

NEWTON RACE S.-WEDNESDA Y.

The Maiden Plate of 40 sovs. One mile and a quarter.
Mr. Dawson's Malpas, by Malcolm, out of Mary, 3 yrs,
7st (carried ist 11b)
Captain White's Skelton, 3 yrs, ist .... (H. Grimshaw) 2
Mr. Edwin's Alchymist, 3 yrs, 7st (W. Bottom) 3
The following also ran :—Honeymoon, Jasper, Tedding-
ton filly, and Miss Harriet.

Betting-5 to 4 agst Malpas, 3to 1 agst Skelton, 4to 1
agst Alchymist, and 7 to 1 agst any other (offered). Within
the distance Malpas came out, quitted his horses at every
stride, and won very easily by a length, and there was the
same distance between the second and third horses. No-
thing near the first three.

The Golborne Park Stakes of 10 sous each, veth 50 added,
for 2-yr-olds ; colts, Bst 71b ; fillies, Bst 41b. Straight
half a mile.

Mr. King's Lady Clifden, Bst 91b (51b extra) .... (Wells) 1
Mr. Wilkins's Glen Stewart, Bst 71b (Withington) 2
Mr. Osborne's Lopeatcber, Bs4 71b (J. Osborne) 3

The following also ran :—Rocket filly and Canary,

Betting-5 to 2on Lady Clifden, and sto 1 agst Glen
Stewart. Glen Stewart got off slightly in advance, the
others lying nearly abreast. At the distance, Lady Clifden
went to the front, was never again headed, and won in an
easy canter by three lengths. There were two lengths be-
tween the second and third horses, and a length divided
the third from the fourth. Canary was beaten off.

The Great Newton Handicap of 200 soya added to a sweep-
stakes of 5 soya each. One mile and a half.

Mr. Hunt's Master Bagot, 6 yrs, 7st 81b (Charlton) 1
Mr. Legh ns Birdcage, 3 yrs, sst 51b (Whiteley) 2
Mr. Dawson's Baronet, 3 yrs, sst 51b (W. Buck) 3
The following also ran : —Butterfly filly, Duneany,
Argosy, Maid of the Mist, Lazy Lass, Cheesecake, Chirper,
Rosamond, and Annie.

Betting-5 to 2 agst The Baronet, 7to 2 agst the Butter-
fly filly, 5 to 1 agst Master Begot, 6 to 1 agst Cheesecake,
and 10 to 1 agst any other (offered).
Chirper displayed a little temper previous to the start,
l.ut when the flag fell the lot got away on pretty even terms.
Lazy Lass jumped off in advance, Master Bagot second,
Rosamond third, Dawson's pair nest, and the others at
their heels, whipped in by Duneany. On rounding the
top turn Master Begot took a good lead, and on entering
the straight he still led, and before the distance was reached
Birdcage ran up to The Baronet. At the half-distance
she made an effort to reach Master Bagot, but the latter,
who was pulling up in the last 50 yards, won very easily
by two lengths.

The Trial Handicap Stakes of 5 sovs each, with 30 added.
One mile and a quarter.

Mr. Osborne's Ripon, 3 yrs, 6st 101 b.. (Challoner 1
Mr. Cliff's Lustre, 4 yrs, 6st 131 b (W. Bottom 2
Mr. Braashaw's Andy, 3 yrs, sst 81b (Howey 3

Jack Spring, Weardale, and Polly Peachum also ran.
Betting-6 to 4 agst Lustre, 3to 1 each ugst Ripon and
Andy, and 6to 1 agst any other (offered). Andy went on
with the lead, which he kept to the distance, when Lustre
headed him, but within the half distance he was challenged
by Ripon, who ultimately won cleverly by a length.
The Makerfield Handicap of 60 sovs. Straight half mile.
Mr. Osborne's Weasel, 3 yrs, 6st (carried Est 21b)
(H. Grimshaw) 1
Mr. Hargreave's Horace, 3 yrs, 7st 31b (Bullock) 2
Captain Christie's Miss Julia, 6 yrs, 9st 31b.... (Wells) 3
The following also ran :—Earl of Essex, My Dear,
Zenobia, Longbow.

Betting-6 to 4 agst Julia, sto 2 agst Horace, 3to 1
agst Earl of Essex, and 20 to 1 agst the Weasel.
Miss Julia, Horace, and Earl of Essex ran nearly level
to the distance, when the latter fell back. A magnificent
race between the pair ensued, but the Weasel joined them
within the half distance, got to the neck of Horace in the
last few strides, and won on the post by a short head.
Miss Julia was beaten the same distance from Horace.
Earl of Essex was a bad fourth.

THE MAILS.