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etehe country, however humble may be their house. He thought his nob e friend had acted judiciously in two. - Soon after this, in the other house, the Aschbiell
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the supplies of the British army in the Crimea, and they i tice,twiotfhwetiisthing
the staaccteuro assist in the great work of odu- table Trusts Compmissioners eit was thge proposition' adopterli better security-of the genesraeclurriteTi-giaoucs ychoaurcaacnter firwsthc• fouthwe
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To show this gentlemen's inconsistency, he says in by Lord ,Cranworth and introduced by him, in thth name of people of this country. (Hear ) If you have not that, your the village school, afterwards rise to some higher position of and extend the m a f educetion. (Hear )
' tail - and elsewhere, appear eo amount to 35 per cent. of 1 I have coecocted at Vienna and Berlin this his icolleagues, into the House of Lords. (Heah, kear.) foundation altogether fails. (Hear.) My eght hon. friend life, 'and- reach those prizes and hououralete employments Mr HENLEY seaindeeas Lord' O. Russell had withdrawn all t
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one pessiage that
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' new-fangled scheme of despotism ; end then he says that I But more than this. My right honourable friend complains said that I was exactly copying the plan of Massachusetts ; which,- in a free country, might to be the reward and gift oe his resolutions, except those relating to inspection and parti- aend that vreernye•scheemseeweme, owever, was preceded wR.
from the 1-t day of Feb., 1854, to the 30th of April,
as the plan now in existence, anal°
ought, in 1831, to have revealed my whole plan, which I have - with regard to Coventry that ;many of the smaller :charities and when he appealed to me, I was forced directly to contra- geOius and honesty. (Cheers.) I cannot conceive that we !lion, he would withdraw his amendment, and renewit on the such successful operation that the house wished it to ha
• 1855, and they having reported thatit seems to ba clearly kept cunningly concealed from that to the present time, and ere affected. Well, the commissioners of inquiry state that in diet him. The plan of Massachusetts, and the plan of New should shut out those prizes and honours from any part of second resolution being submitted from the chair: continued. • The cry now was that his proposal was an eir
established that this excessive mortality is not to be at- that I ought to have produced in 1839 that scheme which in many cases these funds are exceedingly small, and that they York, as I have read in various accounts, is this: that in the community,but from 'which, as it has been said, we do effec• Some objection' was taken to this course by Mr. GLADSTONE tirely new scheme, His opinion was that his proposal ill
eributed to anything • peculiarly unfavourable to the cli- another page he sehe I did not concoct till 1855. (Hear.) He have been applied in aid of the poor rates of the pmishes iii some sehools, an. extract or portion of the Bible is read for tually exchide them, as long as we continue to deprive them of aud other hon. members, and the discussion was continued by only to extend the existing system, and to make it, by 0,;
mabe, but toeeverwork, exposure to wet and cold, iropro- brings- forwalr other charge!! which are without the least which they are situated. They say tltlilttltaiiis iAsg illeg%applii. purposeoscoifertoetviorlii, but idhepost schools it is not read at all, hverymeahs bOilivhich theYinight rise from obscurity. (Cheers ) Mre E. BALL, who contended that the plan of Lord John ditional matter, more complete. He did not think if wooh
per food, and insufficient shelter from inclement weather, fosueitttioa
11;1 vel;eynliitatt fielre ItoccalMftrectnile ts u re; wolfleeredul. zttoitcirdebbeurrienzeclottio't zicsrunteeeitte
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tgleeerstr ii(l)efratl:on then. this. I hold that it Russell would neutralise and , destroy the voluntary siyseera be advantageous to the cause of education to exioSse b's,
it will be the diety of the court now sitting under Sir A. h d
cation eitheryat Berlin or Vienna ( 1 1)-Ijb dth f the harit• p t ffi •tt b th it as p h • h y h , t e Caristian state, to pi emote altogether, whereas it should be the object of altto endeavour plan to defeat by a majority of that hous If that wer"
_ a ang i egge e 0 c les were no su men o ear e expenses of the. or the preeepts eirChilitfletity. This is the mode of teaching in the cause ef r-ligion and morality-(hear hear)-and I can- to make the Goverhment, and those who acted on the volun- permitted, it could not he brought in fo e'
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Woodford to etemine into these specified charges.
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f right hon. baronet opposite (Sir J. Pakington) not to form his application to a coart of law. (Hear.) There has betin a case Massachusetts ; and in a report that I read lately -I am not not believe that we should continue in th'et position which I tary system, to go on harmoniously together- He could not armament iu the shape of a bill -H th ht ' ld ea
Mr. F. PEEL did not conceive it was the province o
scheme upon any continental model; for I never thought, lately which was sent to me from a newspaper, in 'which an sure Whether it referredto Ma'ssachusettsorNew York-it was have described in the former part of my speech, that we agree with the nobl 1 d h h d id t y that bett f th e oug n wou ,
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the commissimi to iaquire into the causes of the calami- that any of the continental models would be a safe guide for application was actually made by a clergyman to a county said that in many of -the schools the reading of the Scrip- should use nothing but terror, that we should exhibit nothing secular education vieasebreitewr tehmerih
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owe deurcso. tci
con act saall ;he visioenr oourthee.cahuosiee of national education not to bare
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tiee which befel the army, except in so far as they i
Im-ght us. (Hear.) On the other hand, in the year 1839, although court, in order theta charitY which had been used for'the pur- tures ,was forbidden by the school committees. such is their but the means of punishment, that we should not uufold aqd doubted much if it would be beneficial fora • man to be edn- tion before thwe
housescillteze;
ufWirthatrrpectt to thtehraet ;
be involved in charges against certain officers, which I was in favour of a plan of grants by a committee of Privy pose of diminishing the poor mte should be expended for the opinion ; and we have the testimony of many eminent men ollen to all the People of the land the sacred volume, and give cated without religion. He felt thankful to the noble lord house should affirm Or. otherwisof rts cltelsia fr extensioof
charges were being iniestigated by the commission, and Council, I did not propose a complete &theme, but I always purposeofeducation. (Hear.) The right hon. gentleman oppo. that the Christian character of the country; is yet preserved. them the opportunity of being indtistrious and virtuous here for having withdrawn the most objectionable of his resolu- for that must lead to investigation. The right hon. genti",
• for which purpose the commission was ' specially ap- reserved till a. future time the task of completing what wa.s site said, " Well, that may_be the case, but in the cale of Co- But it is not preserved in those schools; that is not the cha- and happy hereafter. These; in my opinion, are endeavours not tions ; but it would have been more satisfactory to the house, man (Mr. Flenley) merle an objection as to the fortn, it
pointed. , then only partially begun. Let me-observe however, that in ventry many of the freemen would have had to be eelieved meter of those New England schools ; and I propose that it altogether separated from the dety of the State. If I have been and more grateful to the country, if 'he took the whole of that was easily got over. On those grounds he thoughth
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1839, i wrote a letter to the marquis of LLsdowne to which out of the poor rate were it not for these charities." (Hear.) should be Preserved in the schools of this countiy. Yon will told of late that such should be our object, that we should them away anogeth„.
desirable the house should come to a decision en the roe:
BOYS IN THE NAVY.
so • and that may be an excellent reison for have the denominational schools in nunibers • you will have confine ourselves to the narrower duties of the state and that Sir SNG
Col. HARCOURT called attention to the non-admis- the noble marquis referred in his speech in that year. I pro- That may be , . . ,
, . RTHCOTE considered the whole plan as inade- lution, and he shOuld 'take the sense of the house upon 11
posed that a Committee of Privy Council should he formed to the members for Coventry wishm the f nds h f E 1 d • ' •
g e not he be ap- the Chore o ng an schools to a very great extent ; you we should leave every man to promote education as he may, quate to the wante of the country. • He was certainly disappointed that his whole scheme be"
lion of boys from the union houses into the navy.
consider allmatters relating to education, and to distribute the plied as the commissioners recommend ; but for gentlemen will have the Wesleyan schools and others ; and you will have I recollect that in the same voice and in the same tone I heard Mr.H. DRUMMOND thoueht it uite vain for the stateto t b •t
• Sir C. WOOD said that on a former occasion he gave
which might be Made hy Parliament from time to who are rather strict as to the intentions of foundeits being these schools supported by rates, much fewer in number, in in other years what I thought a sounder lesson. It is ex- undeitake the education of tht7 peop?e. -. The state had a right itta
tele,: moreiet'sfietzisabet rietceived, but be felt conhfledenth
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a straightforward answer to the question of the hon. and
time. Lord Lansdowne, as he truly -said in that speech, ob- complied with, it does seem rather au odd reason to give. which portions of the Bible will bp read every day, and such pressed in language so•much better than any I could use, that to deal with these who violated the laws from the want of tion in pg:scePssion of a more complete system of natio ih
gallant gentleman, which was that no general order bad jected to the former part of this sentence, and he requested I believe that the right bon, gentlemen opposite, from his other instruction. given as the school committee shall think I beg leave to quote to the house the words which were ad- education, and the best mode of doing so would be to seed education.
. been issued by the Admiralty against admitting boys that a committee of council should be appoOnted for the par- general principles, as weo as from what h have heard. from proper. But it is nrhed as a conclusive objection against my dressed to the house on the 28th of Feb., 1843, bh olio who those who offended feast out of the country, and the greater Viscount PALMERSTON. -hoped the right hon. geed!:
from workhouses into the navy. He inquired if such pose of distributing the grants. What lam now proposing him in this house, is one who stands strictly by the. inten. scheme that one. sect may gain the superiority one day in a net only held high office, but a high office which connected offenders out of the world. man (Mr. Henley) would waive the amendment, and elle"
order existed-, lend. be was told no, and that no such is in off„t to restore, teat part of the duties of the committee, thins of founders, and would not allow anY Provra fix: certam scheel, "sr! ea another daY, and that in the end it hr eleselY 7rith the in.ternal condition of the countrY, bY one Mr. MILES was.
_sorry that Lord John Russell had net the house to come to a vote on the remintion of
ithe.noble
order had „isted or did exist, and that was the answer and toendeavour•to frame some plan accordingly, bY which , what is called •a public benefit to be made bY Par ihMent. , will bee"nte a sech r scheol• This is a somewhat chtmerical w Thy." enintent for h.is Phwers, his ab.il tY, his information, taken the opinion of the house upon hie whole scheme, lord. He thought that cou„, was more consistent, with
.he gave the hon. and gallant general on a former occa- the Government and the Parliamentt mieht act, in order to but I must say,- if the great founder of these charities in apereeension, and one that does not seem at all justided bY anh "ls capacity for directing and ruling the state. (Hear,) feeling that, some good would come out of it, and believing the importance of the subject.
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And noir, sir, I Nottingham, Coventiy, and elseweere, Sir Thomas' White, any fact that we have. But at all events you should compare He said :
that they (meld not rely upon tho voluntaey.system for* the •MreHEN.LEYehad no-objection to vrithdraw his amen&
I obtain what I consider a very grea en .
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ons which I have had the honour to hro- Who lived two or three centuries ago, could be told-" Your such an eventuality eritlethat which at present exists. (Hear, " All the material powers of this nation have been developed education of the eo le
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pp . . . , . moot (No, no). He hadevery little feeling one way or °the ,
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THE LIVERPOOL CITSTOZHOUSE CLERKS. come to the resoluti . . . . .
- • pose. My right hon. friend tSir J. Graham) and, I think, . intentions, uo ou , weee a
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dbt •th t the freemen of Coventry hsaro When lam told that•there is a danger, if we adoiet and improved in the most remarkable manner-the entire Mr. GLAD'
eTONE said he was not satisfied with the The first resolution of the noble lord was of very little us
Mr. HORSFALL called the attention of the house to .h h ti th memb„ for Oxfordshire heir. soouid have the right of .voting at electrons, and should be this sYstene, that the schoole- may in time, lor some Process PeoPle, bad-hide-elle and collectivelh, aPPear to have been en- i position in which the house was placed, for he was not portance. It rested entirely with the house •eyhether le°
, the rig t on. gen eman a
a statement of the Secretary of the Treasury respecting Henley) objected to the first on the ground that it was prc- saved from being disqualified by the receipt of. parochial
.re- or other, and by the hostility. of the different tocts to each grossed With this grand object ; and the moral condition oi satisfied that the house ought to agree to the first 1 esolu- should withdraw his amendment or not.
the Custom-heuge establishment at Liverpool. The hon. posing to do what the Government might at any time do, and. lief," I think he would be a good dog surpnaercela at
ilaxitlg other,
tbbeecoero:e:ular,
band that thereby the religious charac- theniulehltudh has, as it seems teeme, been most lamentably .tion, while on the other hand its rejection wOuld seem to The question was then put, and the committee divl
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member said tbat previoue to the recess he put a question that therefore if we agreed to it we shouldbe taking what was told •that sachwwere his piodu; itent.Tufs. (
me tOconittl--. teir tts
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yav: teisft, 1 conepre that. with ma yof zgluitisd
buitt.l. withtpleicrabr grief a.al mrificttilcin tlltatthr imply that they veere not very anxious for the spread of on Mr. Henley!s amendnient. • .
to the then Secretary of the Treasury respecting the properly the business of the Government into oar own hands. to.r.) . Mr. E icet says-uatn.
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Eu . ear in mind ,b atht wiel a education. .He coMplained of the way in which Lord J. Ayes 240
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salaries of the clerks of the Long-room at Liverpool and• Now air, ih the. first piace Ido not think that it Las ever
.betn diet him-that a.
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tyuities of varirouis kinds, but that ought torbe familiar to allegthoen,maenmbe
wrs locf tahrise chPotTse a I eventsgwhich darks
e lied tleel cFaetlerwarce y eme anucr o y Russell had Abandoned the greater part of his resolutions Noes .
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'own in this house and lam sure it would be entirely that they are applie gr
years of the last cent y when he feared that • his adherence to them would subject
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the answer he then received was unsatisfactory. The I.aid
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ith the re' ctice of' this house to say, that that the people of Coventry all deri„ great benefit &one them, me„ facts such as these : Tilt a boy, being put in prison warned by those sad lessons,
.direeted their earnest, their un- him to a defeat, and ha could assure his noble friend that ' The announM'ajneritty Of 'th ' b • a ,ritli
e num era was receive
. hon. gentleman complained Of the manner in which the '
winhcion
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may bewdone byPthe Government may not become the and that everybody approves of their application. He tells for some offence, is asked if he knows his duty to God, and ceasing attention to the'moral training and religious education however satisfactory it 'might be to him te escape a defeat, loud and repeacteemd cnheering
Secretary to the Treasury had treated a memorial that
subject of advice from this house. My right hon. friend us, likewise, that the management of the peer_law is se whe seys that he ne.ver heard of God: He is asked if he obeys of their people,- Eagiand alone, protestant cbristian England, it was net equally satisfactory to the house to be depz•ived The Bankruptcy. (Sco:1;ad) •Bill was passed throteo
was forwarded to him. by himself and colleague, relative. would lay down an entirely. new maxim_a maxim which, at Coventry, that the commissioners, who made.great changes the . laws of_ Christ, Oiad he says that he never heard of negle.cted this all-important ..duty of giving her people that of the opportunity of rejecting them altogether, lie . be- committee.
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to me, I must pronounce a most unconstitu- in other places, did not think it necessary to interfere .7ite Christ. And when ashed what he did on Sundays, he says training,. that education, which so intimately concerns not lieved the results of these resolutions, if they could be
to the salaries of the lower grade of clerks in the long if he appeals
DRAFTS ON. BANKERS BILL.
room of the Liverpool Custom-house, the receipt of tional oneo-if he held with respect to any advice or any pro- Coventry. Mf y rhiight hotti.tfrie he is quite rteht that he was employed in the stable of the farmer and was only their temporal but their eternal welfare It may safely a ted u on,
tnd stahYant-thaenyd are so wise and notarowed to go to school t hh(H ' h e be ' rted that this most im ot t .le' t h b °- P - w°uld
_be very different from those anticipated This bill passed threegh ponsmittee.
pr an su jec as. een by his noble friend, and, if they could not be acted upon,
which was not answered by the hon. gentleman. He position relating to the conduct of the Government that it was to stand up or is cons. i uen.s.-
- t th 't, that You have returns like those oferthecife-e7ltti; Cla ear'
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PARTNERSHIP AMENDMENT (No. 2) BILL. i
Ito say that the Govern- good, and free from the infirmities of human na ure, a
y, showing neg ecte in t is country to a greater degree than in eny that alone was a sufficient reason why they should not be
also complained that subsequent applications were made a sufficieuint b.tsar tfoditonyhsutch
apsrsouposaested,
and that therefore which peducesevil everywhere else maybe harmless atcoven. that there are hundreds, and lam sorry to say thousands, other civilised nation. I must say that I think recent events entertained. He believed the effect of the scheme of his Mr' LOWE moved the
.second reading of this bill; bil
to the Treasury, and au Unswer returned that the subject n:eenuteneat: i.ozl
y requ7red. wßut ifigthe next place, with regard try. (cheers and ',welter.) et may be that the indiscrimi. to whom the most common elements of religion, not only of in the manufacturing' districts are . pregnant with solemn noble friend .would be the destruction of the voluntary Mr. SPOONER having objected to its being proemial
had been inquired into, and that the salaries of the clerk= 1
stioethis articular proposition, it appeared to me that it was nate appliettion of charity, which in other places produces the Christian religion, but even of natural religion, are alto- warning. I quite agree with my noble friend in what he spitem, for the voluntary schools could not be expected to with. at that late hour (a quarter-past one), the seal •
bad all been „raised ; and he denied that the Treasury
going sPo far beyond the usual functions of the Committee of pauperism and immorality, produces nothing but wealth and gether unknown, (Hear, hear) And then you tell me- has stated to the house on. this topic. The law, it is maintain ecompetition against those schools which would reading was postponed until Monday next.
had done more for Liverpool than they had done for
Privy Council on Education that eiiher the Government must industry in Coventry. (Renewed laughter.) It may be that " You shall not have schools ; you shall not teach these true, has been triumphant, everything like violence has been be supported by rates. With respect to the resolutions . MIDLAND, GREAT WESTERN RAILWAY or
any other port in the kingdom, and said that it was bring forward a special proposal before the estimates on this the old poor•law, which did so much harm in so many parishes children the Bible ; you shall
.not teach them Christianity subdued ; and, in jastiee to the People of this country, I must compelling employers to payfor the schooling of young per- -r IRELAND.
.y a source of unmixel benefit. because there is a danger that, at some day or other these add, that though their sufferines their 'Ovations --- their M BELLEW ..; _to
. Liverpool which had done more for the Treasury tha,n subject, or else that some member of Parliament shoal,eave in tilieehnhetry, i
, sons between 9 and 15 years of age, ha viewed them as a zilsclenteantseelectzTrieittee to inevoli e
i, TOsthelpte:ltlrthines re ure ;" aud therefore schools ma be perverted, and may ado t a secular c'harac- disappointments, have been gre'et' t evePn Oci tho
into ilea circumstamn
any other port in the kingdom. It was
of:if greaht line a proposition which he woulunilertalltoisitiate totCo
osere (
iL iu Cefvei:t4 none of these ObjectioL ama; be felt. But I ane ter." : OIL, hear.) I say, I Would rateer face that danger. where there has been a breach of thy:law con:unit:l,7l:7 t7._opon_ wagos, which it was
.within the compass of I et.
sum of 500,003. to the-Midland Gwreat WEe'sterrifill
portance that the clerks in the Liverpool laustom- ouse The. sum and rbstance of t epenw h li
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si hay that circumstances might one day justify, but
av
I' Pwhich I s eaki eof what isrequired in general, and I say that in general (Cheersh Opposed as I have been to setular education, I breach has not been accompanied by acts of cruelty or of re- of Ireland Campany, pursuant to the statute 12th and 13,
should be properly anel fairly remenerated, and the neer- this: from 1829 to the preseet time, t e piopoci ion . ~p Be
which were not only now uncalled for, but he could not .
d also those mule to Lord Lansdowne having been accepted In the form to it would be a great blessing to the country if these onan „are. confess that those who .have received secular education are markable outrage. The police and the soldiers have done their even conceive the period at which s h t 11 b
uc as ep cou i e- Viet., c. 62; also into the application, or not, of said ow
chants and manufacturers of that place; an . .
' e 'Howse ties could be a lied to some useful urpose. I quoted on a far more likely to imbibe religious principles than those who duty, the time is arrived when moral and reli 'ous in t l of money to the purposes to which it should haveebe.
f Lancashire. generally, . which I have adverted, the !tate of things has been es io . . .pp P . . . • . gi s ruchirs ' corn° neee,sary.
of the manufaeturing districts o
erever• arties iu any lace have wished to build a school former occasmethei Dean of Hereford ; and many others, der- are 101 in this deplerable and brutish ignorance. (cheers ) must go forth to reclaim the people from the error of their Mr. DISRA.ELI ziaid-I venture to ex resg a hope that applied under said statute ; also into. the allocation of tb:
considered the elerks were entitled.to the further. consi- '
aWnhd heve-ePp liedldthe CPommittee of Council t •
o assist them, gymeu particularly, have declared that pauperism and immo- Such, therefore, is. My view, with respect to the rebgious ways. The-harvest is abundant, but the labourers are few ;it Conaidering the importance of the uestiPon ve` hich has en! 'traffic profits and expenses since the opening of the line
deratien of the Teeaeury. By returns he intended to„
the committlee had first of all asked them various questions. relay hava been the cone
,quence of these money gifts in teaching of thee° schools which aro to be maintained by ra e, is time that the good work should be begun in earnest ;it is ha ed the attention of the house tl2 house notwithstand- frene Athlone to Galiveyewith a view to fix the amount!:
ask for that ehenine, he should be able. to show thet
por ions, an a . i
They asked them whether • they had procured a •permanent small pro t• - d th• t I would be a great thing if they There is another provision which respects the employment of time that a better seed, the seed of sound morality Sad Chris- in g ' ' ' •1 •
g the unexpected tern the debate has taken, ell not be • • ...,
the repayments to be raised from certain baronies la tPu
great injustiee•• was done to. the clerks with regard to
f children and oune arsons who are em lo ed b h r h n tian truth sh
endowment, whether a committee of management had been could be well applied. I see by the report of the trestees e yo p pyyot e s t a , ould be Sewn in the hearts of the people, and it put at the- mercy of the painful .misconception that• must county ot Roscommon and from the county of Galway.
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their pay and merit by promotion.
formed, and other questions which were thought necessary for one of these charities, that they are so afraid of offending aoy- the owners of factories. Ido hot well understand how this must be the care of the nation-of the Gevernment, with a attend its conduct if a division is pressed upon this snbject. Mr. WILSON opposed the motion, upon the grolimih
Mr. WILSON defended-the conduct of fh 'f'
.....e -reagury the public interests to be put. Those questions having been body that they divide the money into sixpences, and give six. provi..ion can be called. oppressive and despotic Wheti; eeer view to. the fueure peace, the future d„tini„ ef this eountry, Let the iecall the hoes(' to the senile of its position,- - We • that the subject of it was more•fitted for the consideratiee.
from the want of inattention hroeght againit it by the sotisfactorhy:answered, a grant was awarded in proportion t o Pence to each perion. Therefore the worst as well as the. h.e.s.th , since 1i!35tehre138.366,0a ainhilar Provision has been in force with to take this mostherious subject into their 'anxious considera. have had the attention, of the - most important •questiens of
Tabcourttollaw than for investigation in that house.
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hon. member, and :said it wee the usual practice to re- the subscriptione and endowments that were provided. The the mast dissolute as well as'the mort industsihototisi,dgbeet tat
I done rOT:eeticy° em °le •'I chtildeien employed in factorieie who Can- tina. -:I can truly oay that I have directed my thoughts to this that coultt be broightbefore us, by one of the most die-
Th: mo ion yeas then negat'ved without a division e ga"
house adjourned at half-past
.one o'clock.
ceive applications from clerks in the CUstom-house with school having been once built, and scholars having begun to small dole; and it is inaposplethratdt :t
. g°°(Hear, h. .) I ItraM period not, ilille'
tneettiln Z., tolifey..atte% school for a cer. c‘iitittetsetio
:11:4ent.1:111.110111f7 ti,7 Whop other. I know-well the tinguiehed members of this house, by a statesman, by a
. regard to salary or promotion, through their superiors, attend, the Committee of Privy Council sent down iinspnrs, hy It whlch At w
• 'f''s intetd 1'114: LH . sto a purpose that Principle thet, with 13:eeard t:tildr e law ctoontsezateteetts i
per which at thiasancenaeiciatn
eit
Ilidecte thetiliaouse, in the teine. men whon we all respect, however widely we-- may ;differ . . - -
and hoped the house would not interfere 'with that salia • and in accordance with the-subsequeet minutes of, 84 , t 7 rea ly be ieve, i we app
pl
l. es i, on is one subject, to from him, by one who has occupied the highest position to Country Markets.
h f d I the ould know all years of aee thi 1 * th d 1 r.-Pd ' IC la 'd 11 tf ''
d tch phpil teachers, apprentices, and certain confessedly useful, that t e oun ers, i .y c 0 , s compu sory me o sha l e use for ta mg Yes' ea Par y eeangs, al re !mous difference, to endeavour the ccunoile of his Sovereion and who has, with all pont- 1
4.
tary regulation. ' At all events that they 'would not
shetenl a la rdie.s
va
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rious wac'es and allowances. But there they the circumstantes, and see as we see, would be glad cif such care of their education. And 'if this is wise and beneficial -to end out some neutral ground on which we can build some- ble po d d' d d
mp an ceremony, eman e the opinion of the LIVERPOOL-APurL 11.
sanction the interferencein. such •cases, by members. of
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seo Timm insPectors -g,a clgirn to inspect the school whichhas an applicatiou as is proposed. . I think it jS in facteliAleing for 3'500 children I say the principle is the same when yen thing approaching to, a scaeme of national education with a harliamint of England on the subject of national educe- .
'' alai
Parliament, and merchants and others interestedin the beenP•built in the parish of A, but they do not inquire whether but a superstition, when sierything else ie cheriged- oeteedet to 2 )0006 or 300,003 of the same age. It. it is due regard to the jest 'wishes of the Established Ch'urch on tion. Let ua reflect for a moment upon what has occurred Themarket to-da.y was not so well attended toalay,s_hi
port of Liverpool. During the past three years, there in the adjoining parishes of- B, C, and D, there is any school. when even priiiate propeity; by the laws of this coun- despotic and oppressive with regard to the 35,000 it eutiht the orte hand, and studious attention:to the honest scruples of einem the noble lord first introduced this question. After (o.nl(3:dis modratoof tines:
_done in any article ofl ereoei,
had been great changesemadein all grades in the Cue- They confine themselves infect to the schools that aro built, and try, may be altogether sold andhdissipated-to saY: that you to be done AWAY with. If, on the other hand, it is right and the Dassenters en the other, in my judgment we shall be cola 'having given all due warning of the circumstances. made; u°
the ei=eepsriceiliv cau:ullevt:Tre:vere es firin% II: !rtlitli
tom-house of :Liverpool, . and .a commission, whom the the Committee ofeouncil confine themselves to the applications will stand by the letter of these original fotrdars, asi to usifel, rthiog btlit.praetioal difficultiez should midi:: you
eto tter:iungb a greate.r benet oli thehiTple rom we represent which it has been introduced to out notice, the noble lord to is 6d per qr. lower anti the der7satadi not un t: expect's'
Government lead lately-lent-Own there to inquire into whieh are made to them. Now what I propoee is, that thart whiciltei it iici quite clet=ttit ourimonsale fctim egat %I:wails
Trehiarizeui • app yrianAil iliont•tiienas prmes.qulte
wu,i:tuegalic h
myself,e,
lartizs,et;mitztoaitopayw :11 c:Lieia7l(e=eTal for at great length-but hot greater than the importende and tions: Oats, catmeal, barley, beans, and iipeas were up.
the co rnplein te alleged, lia:ef produced a favourable re- plan shall be extondedeancl that by meains of tdditionat ceicfiicfiens. wou .
ten
iejtf
tze
iii:leialin
j ry it produce: Zintain so Ymischrevoas a .admit ;• and those) practical difficulties are very great. I wili -I gladly lay aside could" but hop% that I might be ttZdt-es , Zetilt(lrerbject..demancled-and . with a degree of held in price, but the required demand was wanting. _
port,. in which it was stated that the officers themselves to be ealted sobiumelpectors, tbhte.commt. itteeto. countcoil,haeh
as t state idicsatPriibution of the charity. II ''
hi h he showed himself a complete master;
aving gene throogh these pro-
.mention in. the resolutions -that the certidcate should be , the homble instrument of proposing to the house anything placed before us his views of a question which had caused •' ' .-.-..
were satlsfied with the working of the system. . . ao ifl ye
dPuaeral
ti z un e
ii ant
al
nt sy
pfil
ame
ea yauod n. o a
pai 'sihn in theletrunited Kingdom; positions with respect to the commissioners of charitable • only given half-yearly, in order that there. may not be aPProeching to a scheme which should lead to the happy Con- such profound differeime of opinion. He gave us due time' , WAKEFIELD-APRIL 11. .
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-, , DESECRATION OF THE SABBATH. • (Hear.). The house will see that that is a great object., The trustei ',quite agree with Mr. Fdliee that in any bi'l for this that continual vexation to which my right • hoisourabie summation 'I• desire with the sanction of the Logielature." to consider his propasal, and at the proper period aright . A fair sheer of wheat ; fine qualitiea are not plentift
Mr. NAPIER presented a petitiOn from Portsmouth, i grant of the privy•council, by which 540,000 children ere re- purpose the enactinent should be most carefully goarded-o friend. has
ireffrrtzl.k Bit, alitdholijigla the
aprevisien sheuld
ITlliesef I.iredelotqueet Words.' They are the words of my right hon.- Member of the house, who had shown that he bah still-the dull and inactive state of trade enable buyers ,
stating that the petitioners were fearful that there-would ceiving daily instruction, has been a most useful and national that you should take care to touch only those ehrties whan bo oua d ,
siorn e(thet filer's wi'anid o't)ll:rsgeoe alud. wholesome
tie:.
vOl
male as tip 0 wheha he habil oot become a disciple of given. thequestion all the stuly its importance demanded Make purchases at Is per qr. rednction for the best sore%
be a repetition of the order on Saturday neat that was • work; but it would be a very great extension, it would in fact 'can lei fairly ascerthined to be use,l3etcos
aor
inemerinvt ,
Ousshould I=us should-I vrill hardly say compel;
mituohylata w htohueniag
two pamphlL Y(lacuMe-htecrieeiwthesceaeuSethelthas rie3rtl thocii -I mean my hop. friend the member for Oxfordshire- • andfully 2e en the lower sorts, from last week's rate!,
issued on Saturday last, viz., on the' following day, Sun- eularge.the whole object, of the Committee of Privy oiiiii cil, ttl.iat the fu Fret nut yohue mienzunitypp
foYr whose benefit to go to school, I have a letter from a lady, who is all that reflection, an'cl wisho•n, end -ilLfoli.reamowthiefite expressed his opluien upon it last night, and . solicited- the Barley !scarce, and fully as dear.• Oats
.and shelling, er
day, the men -at the dockyard were to attend to work, ef they were not only to make.graets te, those places. in te uch e clear y ene 'a. . t
hhe 'judgment ef. this house upon the,. whole question The before. Beans rather. lower. No
,vanation in ow
li d •e. d But that is certainly well acquainted with the facts, stating that the employers in formerly received from long pondering- on the eobject, and debate which ensued, thou 1 • •. * • 1
lie, but would inquire intethe deficienems of these funds were orignia y esiene . . ,
gh deep y interestane from the artic es.
and the consequence was, that upwards of a thousand
thth 'aprlacesecshoo(Hear ) Well, it appeared to me sir, that if not to be all done by a resolution. I wished only to point her neighbourhood, a mining distriet, objected to the children from his minute acquaintance with. the reports he obtained natuie.end importance of the subject, was holever con- -- -
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men were so employed, contrary to their conseiences, in 2
t dgthus inuCh, if featly proposed that thus muOle shollid be out the principle on which I proposed to act. Igo on, iu going to school because they got so fond ef it that they were. from eyory part of the ,counti.y. But nevi appear those tvio fined to skive hon. members. My right hon.iriend exp;essed • EXETER-APRIL 11. . a
the preparation of gun-beats for the approaching naval. -
done by those sub-inspectors, I might be asked, "IN at is the 7th resolution, to provide, that the ratepayers, shhoulcd less . willing to go. to work., Another letter informs. me that Pamphlets.
.They seem to have swamped every trace of his his opinion. Theright hon. berme:it-the member for Car- COSN.-I • ' 14 '
. n our market wheat may be quoted from e,
themselves. I ueed not, tiu , a. fanner refused to give anything to a day school, .because, former rellectiou and information. I shall not attempt to add lisle also expressed hie opinion in a manner whi •1i sh Y d
review. (Hear.) That could nut be called a necessity,
the meaning of this expensive machiuery-of this host oflOo Imre the power of taxing
b 1- 4 611°4 9d• ' • d0••v"
and such conduct tended to subject the house to the
, officers I" •It would be, as the right honourable Wean
' • et make any observations upon that proposal at the present since the s.eladay-school had been established, he founa that to the extracts I have read, which I think must be g-atifyine that ha had given, a long 'and a deep attienticnci` eto otodBtent
°Malting ar ey, s ( $ , gnnding (11
d Oats, 3s 4d to 3s 6d. Beans, Os OO.I°
k t propose that, after a certain • the birth; Wiiich ate hie corn, had very inuch increased, the to the house from the sentireents they contain . I have th; th b'
.oharge of hypocrisy in conniving at such a proceeding tor .saysi a mere . scheme for the sake of . patronage, il moinednt, ,Igo . 0ne:17.-140e,
eau ject, And gave the house - tho advantage Od. Peas, .00s Od to 00s Od. ,
the quarter se- sions, should boys beitie no lou er em loyed all Sunday' in. keeping them same wish now which m right hon f • d le.
the enjoyment of the rich, whilst they refused the Mu• when you had . ascertained the defect you did lest.preee. period, neaorvrertwo; y
imposine a rate in a. parish or school dis- off, (LAchter )g Witesuch cases as these it is- no h h Ido not feel disposed to ye
oloeise to. jtlech ten rterthined. of his views of the propositions of the. noble lord. FLowt. -Fine, 50s Oa to tils Oa ; seconds, 48s Oa t(1 40
, teurn Na,tional Gallery, and such like ihatilettions to Le. further and apply a remedy.: I therefore cousi met , van- ha
et,
tns,A,ive or bringing We all came down to the house this night-the debette Od per sack.
'Ye e P f It h b * f und with • this ; but .1 do not prohisioe, but ; Very fair one, that the ereployers of these the subject before it, for IPhavee at hear
. p
" ous means .by which the evil -might be remedied. 14 the yid. Much au as een o
lfare of this having 'been adjourned; the Pride Minister giving way to CATTLE .- Fat oeef was sold at f o 91 6(1 to 10s 3d Pee
Opiened on Sunday for.the working classes.
hat will naturally „cue to, „is this, itionely know where the authority coul(lbe better Placed, hi a manner -YOung Persons should. be 'made to give them some kind of great country, and Ido trust that the cause of education will its paiamount importance, and postponing other important score • fat'cal e hedto oe le r m t6s oil
. BVSINE-SS OF THR.HOUSE. • • ' firstt Vace, w
h b-ius ectors oing to all th '' •
e parishes in the !Ling- more conformable to the existing law. At the' time I made oducetion. Of course You -would take Care t° adaPt the Pro- Pres Peri whatever HIV be the fate of the resolutions before business to its 'conclusion-we came dow • . f - , ve , , i. per , ; barrenners, -6s o _
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. Sir J. PAKINGTON, befora the Speeker put the -th
derni ateurtiavinel? each agdivision which 'he could easily Visit, the proposal I was not aware that, in some of the States of • visions to their particular circumstances ; you .would not give the house.. .(Cheers.) , . n- every one ous per score ; cows anti calver, 121. to 171. -s ; butche;
d tet express his opinion either by word or by vote I
ca ves, -. to -d per lb., rearing calves -s to • - s elite
. Motion fer the adjournment of the house, appealed to the
eneivhich he- cald in the course of the year superinteeo, America, massachusetts especially, a Parish rai,ght be and a -them half a day at school and the other half day in the fields ; Sir G. GREY said he was quite. sure he only eipressed the tP:
reoPteTsub'ect the amenitude f hich as a whole c n t Sheep, ewes and lambs, 1/. 14s to 2/. 58 per couple; owesithi
noble lord at the head of the Government to say-whether
they would recomMend to ' persons 'having property id ne. parish has been indicted for not having a school open euring you would have certain days for school, and by that means, unanimous feeling of the house when he said that not the- ble exa eerjated, and on evh•chc thwe pOle of this o'ouanit c
he mensidered it to the advantage-or disadventa.ge of the . glected parishes,or who were likely to be zealous iu this be- a whole year, I think that the objection to this authority is, instead of diminishing, you would increase the empleyment • slightest blame, but rather the greatest credit, attached to the after tg(7+ antecedents of thepropositiLp had a nein to eT- r, "le eve4thertc, 6pl•tei 6ia ; tenths, 1/ eai each. . . PIZ.
business of the house that the present practice a allowing half. 'that theY should ha•ild 'B°l°6l' houses where they 7ere that it would Perhaps be too sparingly exercised; it . might of those yeeng Persons. Xer right hon. friend says.the Mee. nobladord for the manner in whioh he introduced his series pect an expression of Our 'opinion. Well, whet %as ha - taoreAssir,sosazeros 51;
tsnec;Tsd.siziiio24sh ticiat3o(l3:.
dalipshilii
. desultory debates on the motion for the adjournment of 'wanting, es had already been done in 4,090 or 5,000 places ; be difficult to Perehade magistrates in githrter sessions t ' iiii• ters. would at Once leave off employing them. I own I ea.n• ef rcselutions. Whatever oPiniou might be entertained with pened ? The debate has been suddenly terminated, suddenry pork eareases fame% los od tole od ug ' I Per-
. the house should continue. Teey had had eight subjects or that they -should improve the shools where improvement. pose such a rate.:
.put it would only be in extreme cases that not think that. Han employer gives 4s. a-week to' one of regard. to the resolutions themselves, whatever objections cut short. 'and a finger, as it were, pressed on the neck Of - s per score.
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debated in that way and much time occupied, and he, was needed, Now, sir, as faa• as thatigoes,,l do not see:how they would have• to do it. There may be a district where these boys and is told that he must give 4s. 2d., mid that the might
.be entertained to Portions of them, the house would everee.hon. member. Who has done this ? Is it those who,
I ha- almost every parish fbr ten miles tound has got a school, Mid 2d is for 'the 801001 is it to be believed 'that he will' never appreciate, and would not fail to recoenise the motives which h ' n .1 • -• • •. . BRISTOL SUGAR-APRIL 11.
thought the Government ouioht•to interfere and stop it; the plan can b. e.accused of haehing abonythhing olf a dehspohtic,c
. , . ave bee oppose, to the opinion of the noble lord t On
meter aboutate . and. that wou (1..
.t e
.p an wic would the schools are all flo • ''
•b ' .• h b * - • * • - " • hdt t d tie bl 1 •
urishing , ut One parts may e a employ thet boytifterwards, howeVer convenient it might be aacha e eho .e ord ln the course he had taken. Un- the contrary, it is the noble.lird himself. The noble lord There has been a fair demand for suears this week, tb' .
and confine those members to the old Practice `of asking
,
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aunted' by previous fotilures -failures
generally becarried into effect, as it has been done in. st exten. nest of pauperism and immorality, where there is no instrue. to him to have his services for 4s. a-week ? That is done by d. . • of the Government took the opportunity of making many ingenious observe- transeetieris reported consisting of 6,003 mats of Mani
e,e
questions without making Speeches. (Hear.)
'where the inhabitents never go to church or a neble lord in his colliery •it ie done by these factory with which he had been connected-he had brou
9 500 mets crystalised •Mauritiuse and 500 hlids. ilreh, •
sively since 1839; "But there znieht be places, aud there viou'd tion whatever,
ght forieird tionsem the debate of tho day proceeding an I especially ' •-"
Lord, PAL g ERSTOff said that he wag in that unfor-
wh•ch the subseriitions could not be obtained ; chapel, and where it would be most useful that. there owners ; and Ido not see wil'y what they hahe• done, should the subject with renewed energy, and, he was bound to saye upon the speech of the right hon. memb:e. foh Cows]. - India ; about one-half of the latter being Barharloes of °le
be hides in
-, tunete position that he could not do anything without
=Fin th'ose cases there would. be a power in the ritepeyer should be a school. I think that in such a case the not, be iinitated elsewhere. We knew that many faetory with renewed ability. Willie he (Sir.G., Grey) was bound tee observations which We all listened to -with that res ce-e-t new crop, the condition of which is superior to the lieu,.
the assistance of the house. He entirely concurred with to levy a rate for the purpose of establishing schools. , There quartehsessions -might exereise that power. I then propose owners have not only complied with the, letter of the law, saly that every plan submitted to that house revealed more which is due to everything which falls from the nobledPoid. run of early impottatiens. Pzices mostly well supportedit
the right hon. baronet that the abolition of the present might be places in which there would be no such 'wish for , that a school committee, where there is a rate, should app?int but heye established excell„t „h„ie by their own b„evo. p ainly thee that which. had preceded it the immense difficulty; But what was the object of those observations ?
, It was- Refiners' produce continues to meet a moderate but
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education ; places in which children might still not be Sant the schoolmasters mid schoolunstrrses, and make rogulatil lence and liberality. 'Ts passing of that law h. been an in, neerras in dealing, with the subject, he did not think that and I appeal to the candour of the hone° to bear ine out active demand. Rtuar -is still nainquired for, but pro'
practice was very desirable. (Hear.) '
The motion for the adjournment of the house to. Mo- to-school, and in which the people might remain in total Fgne. for the management of the schoo .If you irose upon 1 eneem mt to them oto e greater care oe
,the young persons
.d isfeussiens whi.ch had taken place were useless, or dee it was virtually to withdraw the resolutions which the are withoet cbanie. ,
, ranee. I propose that there should be a cantata authority- the inhabitants a rate, I confess Ido not see ciee youcan ch employed in factories than they bad . done before. I catinot voi o auy beneficial result, fo •
i they directed the s.ttentiou noble lord hadproposed with such pomp and cireunieta.nce . •' .
day wag agreed to. • ' :
lam not now diseussine' the details of the resolutiota-, to otherwise than give to persons selected by themselves the di- think, thel, that this provision will be any hardship, I come of the country tea question which must ultimately be sit-' after so much preparation and to terminate the d b te' . ,
EDUCATION.-ADJOIJ RNED DEBATE.
compel a rate to be mad; in places like that. 1 look further, rection and management of that rate. • Sir James Graham is to another objection, on which my right lion. friend his con. , tied by the voice of the country. (Hear, hear.) Such reso- which had only just coinnienced. lamat a loss to oe a"
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The house having resolved itself into committee on the re-
t i see if there are any means which' might be used for perfectly right in saying that the school depends upon the jug id up all kinds of horrors. He says there will be a dread. lutions as those proposed by the neble lord called attention what has been the Cause of this conduct on the ct nr
tihve
Prim of Coal per ton' at the close of the market.
solutions regarding education, . the purpose of promoting education, and I find that there are schoolmaster, but I know no reason fer distruiting the rate. fui increase of the influence of the crown, and that the &ere. to individual respousibility in the matter, and in many cases noble lord. The right hon. gentleman the menepbaerr foor th: 8. 1 Wallsend, ha ..
Lord J. RUSSELL rose and said-I read the other day in large sums, some of which were expressly left by pious feint- payers of this country when they have a school. They might tary to the Treasury will have the appointment of-I know it led to a most decided course of action. There was not a University of Oxford has- told us that the noble lord m t Holywell .....-e.e.... 16 6 0. "
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the newspapers an account of the examination of a witness be_ ders for education, the whole amounting to several thoueand be very unwilling to have a ochool at all ; but if they once bad not how many thousands of schoolmasters, person in that house, aad he believed he might say not a have takenethis course from the unm• t heabl as
w tof Tanfield Moor l4 3 Eramwellgate .. . 18 A
pounds. I find that there arealso other chmities, which have a school I should not doubt their discrimination in choosinga ' • Sir J. GRAHAMi-Thiety-five thousand. person in the conntry, who would ,net say that educatic-nt sympathy with his views which has bee 18
a•f te 1 len ' Walker P• ' 19 "
=rose 14 6 detton
fore the Crimean Board of In • ar in n hi h• hi
quay, now c ry g o , i w he
nim el °id 3
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been frequently referred to as being useless or even injurieus, person fit to manage thatschool. Of conrse the regulatiens Lord J. RUSSELL-The Secretary of State for the Home was 3 blessing, and who d d not desire to seeit extended ; but house. That may be the 'case But .thne
htewart's . 19
Lord Lucan having asked the question whether he would not ' and I propose that these should be applied to education. of the Committee of Pihvy Council with respect te qua_
.Department may have the appointment of two or three at when hon. gentlemen maintained that all that was necessery this evening to the speech of the right lion clime boarr fre pd e .
Wallsend, Stc. ['thigh Hall l7; 6
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to serptised at his statement,•thuwitness replied, " I ein not . what would be the state of the case ? When, these various lificatioa would apply to those blaeters and miStresses ; Pentonvire and elsewhere, hut that nunlber would not be in- t° Premete the calise of educatiOn was the voluntary system, lisle, and in SO doing quoted a cohisiderethe exmtraet cii•ir.onn Herten • .17 6 South Kelloe 18
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• 11 -.creased -and the Secretary to the Treasu worild not have he held that that was a position 'th
surprised At anything.!' The nil-actinircol date of rnind is means were used, you would have a glint increase of schhols. and, if they were hnefficient, the grants usue y , . • ry ,
at could not be for a moi epeech of that -right hon. gentleman on the enbjeat cif edu. Wharncliffe •• • r•- 17 6 BirchgroveGraigola 22
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There ean be no doubt whatever thee, in a- vast .numb rof made would not be made. to thet echfooho
dThat
_would be a - one of these OPPointments. Ica measure _founded on mY re- en .- en er einee',. .---e (Sir 0., GreY) had listened with the cation deliyeeee many yeers since in this house. h Wes thee Eden main .. . 18 6
eXeeedingly philosophical, and'l Will 'endeaVour to attein to
=sea they would be supporteh, at present, dey.hrante •om . great reeson for the appointment 1 d flicient solutions were to pass this session, the patronage of tho See- deepest attention to the eloquent speech of the ho ci a humble me b f tit' ho I
u, au in er o . is use. repeat I Was then a , _Ships at market... 21 1 Sold ....... .... 21
it ; , but I own that I was much surprised at the speecleof my
t difht elt th .1' • 't•tth T. as Id tb•••d b th • • t learned gentleman the eitember for Midhurst (Mr
he Committee of Privy Council, by subscriptious, an Ly persons. Now we come to thet grea eu y, ere igious re ad y o ele tire wou no c inetease• ,y , e eppoin -
. Warren), humble meinber of this house. ( Laughter,) I know not why '
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right hon. friend the member for Carlisle. That Mr. Baines tschoot ld .b ' •. t
pence. There Won eaga ea num er o p ces
is f 1 question; It has been said that if you have any school sup- nient• of a single schoolmaster. They would be appointed as who adverted in very glowing terms to what had been done the fact excites the•risibilayof h'- l' r ' t -
pn.gent emen... west hen - • 11•1iimm......•••••=.....••••..............
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should support the voluntary' principle is not surprising, but where „w schools or that descripteen-charch , seheiolee ported bY a rate, whatever regulatieL a you Tay make, that they are st li-resod tn the Church and denominational schoels, le, dehhetic as well as io liberal. states for the , promo. a humble Member of this house, *and I listened to that
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that nay rieht bon; friend, after havine sat on the `Educaticin British schools, Wesleyan 'schools; and. others-wOulte be school will become. a seculer shhool. The evidence which Iby the schoel ee.mnetttees. There veould be some increase of tlea ee the cans° of edueetiou, adverting particularly to the speech with; the interest which its eloquence inspired, and .
ae ce. have upon this subject, which is trom many schoolmasters, is patrukazo eertalnlY. There would be from 80 to 120-per- reiigious element., which in this country had created fee much whieh its weight and ern it n ~_____,....-.._
' Committee Of the Privy Couitcil, should come here to proclaim ftoeurinddeded ;Bandsttilhereteentt systemiderounohdl
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that though this difficulty is a difficulty iierious enough botedi haes 120 altogether-sub-inspectors to be appeinted; noveiy discord and, so inane,' differences. The noble lord ho hed ,dev; it was ei-ot the po ace commanded ; but in these _ ot, signifies that the mails are sent irom the Cameral Post otilsa
ey the nlght-and AI by the morniag-eespatch.)
- ' the voluntary principle
_to obtain the cheers and applahse There woulucti probaayBC :ronn:ritiehooo or 16:04 school; of house7-serious enough among various denominations and , formidable amount of. Patronage, aud • a 'patronage which 1 I"troduced the -resolutions had given some countenaZe to the even of thee-right honn.e7o7
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.pt , those who , . are__ suPporters of the voluntary that character ; there would be a much smaller number oup- ainong the verions theorists uPoil education who contend think might enable mY . hide ,e friend: the • President of the vie, eh? expressed by the hon. and learned gentleman. He (sir Crown, or a peisonage iin the positiofi of the noble lorde, --,---7------hio .ay ,
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- 'principle (bees, L honfese, surprise me. Now let ns con_ . petted by a rate, and there wouldeihe eise be some places in unon it---Yet that in Practice there is verY little difficultY in Council to do that- which wou'd be grateful to a number of (-4 "re 4 thought that Per Sous who held those opinions, and should withdraw his resolutions be„n„ elf that speech. hetrysT .o. iieteenerriajlll4si:l• rrait'e; 'a
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•what • this voluntary principle is, In the
.whieh the rate would be imposed by authority. Well, then, the matter. lam told-and I have heard-it for Years, so it is verY honourable and hard•working men, and at the same wh° brought forward these examples, forgot that in despotic (Hear.) In 'these days we did not shrink from „nducting .
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first place, it. is e principle which has never been adopted sir, I must say Ido not see the caadeur of those who more. nothing new-that where the Bible io read, where the hate_ thne wief„i to the country. I allude to the schoolmastere States religion was not excluded from school', but that.on the ~, debete upon any zubject to a conclusion ; and when a "--------...- ----- ---
by any nation. There wee no republic, before republics weee Beet this plan as being a Governinent monopoly, or -as being chieni di taught, or wherever anY other fermulau is used, if wile have been many years in that occupation. There is no heathary, the teaching. of the religion of the State was rani proposition wag brought forward, even a speech of the right Otnerica(bylirithackee Every Friday -- ~ Liverpool .. April 11
' destroyed-of Holland, of Genoa, and of Venice--whieh bad a de.spotic system ; need° I see _the jnstice of those phro„, the children are told, and. if their parents are•told, o
•There ii . work morelea'd than that of a schoolumster--(hear)-there aere" e?mphiserY, while lu the New England States religion hon. gentlenean's would not prevent a debate on stich an itn- 11.merlepi(by United Ste
not some kind of establishment for the purpose of iuceileating which ALL Baines, who -iii a ionievehat hot-headed adherent to no !omPulsion hehe iif you choose to takeaway your children ie none more bblacTtant i there is none which carries with it rs einttireihh'exttuded,inothing but purely secular Matters portant queition as national ede„tion arriving at its ihii. .ti k e• .L
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,:religion, and morality. In all the countries of Eneope there the 'voluntary system, has made nix of with respect to it, ind durnrj.the rehgwas instruCtion,do so," that wherethe liberty cemparativelY so httle honour end advantage. (Hear.) ' And °Met :imgl;'&• Ole believed. that this country was not pre.' temato toeminetion. -.-
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'aee some establishments for thiepurpose. we differ from the which my right hen. friend, hitherto the supporter of Sliite °Pee
.given and.avoWed, there is seldom any repuguance in seeing that a schoolmaSter who is employed 12 or 15 years in Phreh
~0?* t.ne emit/hoe of either of these courses. He in. the gne al question though I was prepared to do au had Australia (vi; ••South; ' - •
' 'hilted States of America in thg we have a church establish. aseistance, has repeated after him. Ha.ving thus sketched the allewleg the chlldren'to temain during reigious iustruotion, that laborious occuPation can hardlh go to any other employ- tlewineeet thle matte?' wAll.YerY great Inret, because he did not the debate peoceedej aeiein common „ith bon.- members ampton) .......;.. hi - ••••• -... • • Southamptoe . • ;
- . ment and no school establishnient. oin the other hand, be general plan I prepose I next come to-the various matter' I that tilers ere 'e'er), 'le* "who- ever go away ; and in that nient or profession, I should be glad to see some of these men wish to throw any impediment iu the way of those who were on both sides of the house, had anticipated. But I think Ditto (via Marseilles) N . - '
e America they had a school establishment, hut they had not o . have.stated io the resolutions. , / state ie the first, whice ie way phe religious, difficulty is got rid of. I haVe heard that emPloYed as sale-atisPeetoes of. schools, and I believe they . most artiousTlang.lifiesliarediu that anziety-to seeeducation the noble lord ought to act frankly and fairly to the house Dr (via Cape of Gold
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church establishiecent. . (Hear.) One thing, however, Ido now before the committee, " that in the opinion of this hoes° reEeetedlYe frOne maetFrs of 'echools and from ministers of . woold be about the most intelltgent.men that could be sent mere. universe. y i ueed th.roughout the length and breedth in the matter. • (Hear.) The.noble, lord has, of course, it iterholal)eves•t*,Eo•as'?)-2, 23d of the month.. Plymouth ''
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• maintain , vie, that it is the duty of -a go„rnment, it ie a it is expedient to extend, revise, and consolidate the minutes rdligion in a high Position ; and 1 believe it to be the case. . round. to organise schools and Point , out where, they were of this countly, and Who Wished to see all those difficulties right to the indaigence of the house when he may require h'exanoria...... h '.'ac 8,9, 24, &30 ofen. Dover ; ..• ' •••
• part ofit; funchiohs, to endeavour to teach semewhot of our oof the Committee.of Privy Council ou Education." . The right I Wilk it is an error to argue the qiiestion as though all thee* altogether (I.3Bciel-O• Thera is ono other Piet in resPect of romevea. The statemnit 'winch had just been mule by the it ; but after en that -hes occurred-after having given Atexaneria..........Nelth & 2kb of mon. Southan;ffra 1
• duty to Ge i and maa to the yeeing „to the- adult., (cheers) hon. gentleman (Mr. Henley) objects -to that reiolutiou, children-at Present in theeschooLs-up to 10 or 11 years of age, which nOtlco of a motion
-has been glren lee en leen. mellab.er, 1.":)lit lerd•l 7t° the‘Ceurse
_he intended to take in reference notice at the very commencement of the session on -, sub. Bahamas ...........lil In of the ;Rent) eauthametont
• The' volnntery principle heee done great things.. -It has bunt , because the mode in which the exteesion is
•tch be carried out or,.as I propose, not mopiethan 15 years of age, should neees- on which I wiel tsay a vele, few weeds.. tis with reped to 0 . 0 reso u tons, vele, much narhowed.the ground of differ- ject of vast national importance-afterannouncing that he Beigi•ura - - -..- -ICl9thl Yi. ••
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churches and chapels eit has communicated relihious know- is_ stated in the following resohitions. T
' hat is undoubtedly sately be taught every point, of eaich pa,rticular, creed, that that-large class ef our Young PoPhiatlen who are neithei• at coca •hetween the centending Parties, for to those parts of the should solicit the attention of the house to this sub• t Brazil ....•• ...... ~341 0 the month.. Southamptob :Ape 11 16.
. ledge fo --millions. Bute be it observed, that while the . , the case. The right hon. bart. (Sir J. PAkington), for whose these points on which the' Protestant theologian, mid the •• school-nor 'at Work, and.many. of whom are wandering about
._re,rielutiotr in
bi. i d _
whic i the greatest illfi It' • jec -a BuenosAyres........m 9th of the mont
1 eu les pi esented them. subject, after all, not lost than a Proposition:to Substitute si cape oi hood Hope .../e li.• Soute imeten !April 16
• Various port Uncertsfo
voluntary principle is perfectly consiitent with the PrinciPle • aseistancel am verygratefule says that It is not hecessarooto Ronian Catholic theologian would argue together those poihts destitute i.n our street% I think that much might be done seem
hoLtitle iv: i said he orould not ask the sanctioot new system of educatiOn for thesystene which now prevailain Criee of Good Hope .'..ls '
. of an establishnfent-while the principle' of an 'establish- `specify the number of the agents to be employed; or to state ofelaorch governmeht which the clergymen of the Church of by eetcioding. the gran s and the yules of the. Committee of f n y reschutions upon which the
.noble this countryLaftee all this, when the noble lord, not choos- Cam de Verde .. .. ..e., .9th Of the month Southampton
is d insisted' were t
' mem fir 4, exist, and -while- the voltintartoPrinciPle mat' all that England 'and Wales should be divided into go divisions. England and the Presbyterian minieter might dispute aboot- Privy (eouncil with regard to those schools (Hear.) When _ 9 aosef which insisted upon the canteen- ing te encounter the issiie of• a debate, withdraws the real Ceylon (see India) - ' -
cl•rt'on• of the a t
the time.be in great force, as we bave semeof lett:eyeful; he Well, sir, I felt that•if I did not specify the number •of sub- thilt all those questione on which a man has his own opinion,- I look at the large suing in the estimates under various heads, or Committee of Privy Coiled', eubetantial portions of his
•proposition, I cannot help say- :117,,10.ni•ih•• •• •• •• ••
a;:lei the a intmcenst
il:'-i MoneWehe&Frihe Sonthampto Tu Thehat
this-country-it isnot possible; on the other hand; to mein- -inspectors it would haye been said, What is yeur plan ? Are hod Probably a very conscientious opinion, must be brought I own lam so_.rrh_to see so small a sum rteder , the head of .
ThatPlaiii
th o • luspectOis threuhhout the come- ing that / think the noble /mil would act more frankly and chile._ .Le.5.:.....Q....:ii 2d & 17th *enemy Sou ptos) •
tain the volaiatary prheiple, ts -make that the principle of you going to have 20 or 200 of these subouspectors ?- 1 intothe school with the children, and inade raatter of contro. iadusthal sihoolso , (Hear, hear.) ,So „lon , as elm ere'. e
him (Sir Gre ) togt tl case'
it would be , unnecessary, fer courteously to this .house if he withdrew all his resolutions. China .... .
your state, and at the eame time to Maintain the prineiple formed my calculetion as to the number of sub-inspectors on ve sial teaching. I owa that does seem. to me an excess of Committee of
.Coancil were endeavouring, by educatingh poii- ythe
Grou , e the house with stating what were If instead of withdraWing ehe seven resolatiorn, which in- ConstantleoPle „h.,. N 8,13,18,23,&23 of rk 'Dover .... •• I
the views of
of an establishment. The principle of au establishment does two data. One was the. dirisions-of the counties in England religious' zoal, perhaps even of religious animosity, wlech tien of the cOunt 'Y: to f.ornish a model of whht reuld be, t .
duty to state be flovernment ; bid still, •he thought it hilts hrotve the essenceothis scheameand reserviugthe other five, Canstantinople .......:
.IthiSe 20tti of mon Southampton
not exclude voluntary effort ; but if you proclaim the valun. and, Wales, one of which seemed to be • sufficient to employ ought not to be exhibited. I have heard it stated, over and think, they weto quite right in being very strict with iespec
17 y what course the Gevernnient would have which are of little importance, referring as they do to forms Cont. of Europe M&serw ce daily .... • • Dover ...... Twicedallf
taken if th
tarY Principle you do exclude the principle of an establish: the labours of one sub-inspector. I took also, anotber eleineht over again, that we are so peculiarly situated that that yeleaei .te the 'qualifications of schoolmasters and the condition of the
w_
oie
wiethnor .e lord- jiad proposed. • his resolutions as a rather than to sUbstence-he would act, I repeat, more rrgypt (see India)m.a. x
?Wide daily.. ~ • • DM!' Twicedallf
'neut. .(Hear.) Well, then, the voluntary principle comes. into my consideratien, the numbet of schools which were exit- amovers for all other people will not answerfer as, that that schoele. Eut.when you come to industrial schools, theitT is h egierd to-the motion of the right , hen.. gentle- franlcly and courteously to this house if he said, "The policy GrutfraV ':::::..... be •7. 17. SO. 27*( a) Southam..p.6,
to this,, as I have heard it stated, and as I often see it illus. mined by the inspectors at present o in ether woroe, about which you can do
_over the whole cootiuent of Europe mane a practical man who 'Would net stand en examine on, mane& member or Oxfordshire, he would *remind the house of my resolutions does:not appeer to,command the sympae Greece (see India) ,
trated in the votes,ef this house, namely, that while you May 23,0 foe each. But there would be an important difference. and on the continent of North America ou cannot do in and who would
y th t th
be completely thrown on his back by the a eso matters were not wider • • •
discussion in a committee thy of .the Heuse of Commons, and therefore, having had Greythwu
..........N 2nd & 17th of mon. Southampton , i
of the whole house in
mburgh ..........}; Turdifiy.& Friday London .....
support the criminal leer, while you may use' the gaol and At ent the inspector has to- post down by railway and England. I should be very sorry to think that that is the quhtions that are proposed, yet who, if placed hver one of , accordance with a.ny rule that cem- the opportunity
.afforded me of bringing them forward Ha
pres
lied th h
month Southampton May 2
the giblect for thelierpose of punishing offendere; while-you have. flys waiting-hirhimito takerhim on to the next school ; ease ; beca.use, if so, it Would seem to --xne that onr religious those schools, would be intelligent, - would be kindi wouid ,pe
.e ouse to_ deal with them in that way, but simply .and also of_ vindicieting them from the attacks of powerful anavaneah ***•..- -- ti Dnall; t"
may have heen knockedelown by the staff of the eonsta.ble or' but . under the peen propoSed all the schools would be in animosities must he more bitter' and our want of Christian watch over the welfare and improve:the =teals of. •the ehil- beeouhe it was considered the more conyeeient plan to deal opponents in thiieleousee I think it more prudent, as well H03inidurar........... '•ii Vita- ;41.11;;;;o;i•til.• •
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P6_l:_tme '
: cut by:the sabre of . the soldier,. you
_shall not lie• allowed to dietriete, and the i„p„toi, would be able to inquire charitY greater than in any of those • countriee. (Hear.) I dreu. and lead them te elementarY notious of rehgmn in a i_win I'ller.i! m that waY• TO the tacition, then, of the right as more resPeeful tothe home, to' ask permission to with. ['ilia eviasohithem• Wire 4th 'c 20th of mon. ply/eolith r. 4&30 0
teach. any religious. truth or to_ enforce any Moral priii- - into - their , condition„ thoroughly, and without hurry, have always held, and I have often avowed it in this hi:am, manner that hvould be a great benefit to the community, u
e onn..gentietuan the member of Oxfordshire, the Governthent draw them. altogether." .(Hear.) But what is the condition Inlia evia bisza,elllesityi 9th& 25th of month Dover ......
ciple ilpohethe minds eithee of ...yOung or old in ' this -They' Would - be' nee., •to furnish most- valuable infer*. that the teaching of the British' and Foreign School Society.
ithougle he might not come up to the requirements of the Pre- ° Ide net helve given its assent, preferring as they did agree. in which the 'noble lord now places the house by the coerse toaian Wes (see India), 7. 17,• &27 of mon D0ver...... ,
conntry.. (Cheers.). Sir, it-appears to me that fe departing. elem. to , tbe enspeetors., whieh view& ultimiteiy is the hest for the- people of this couotry. (Hear.) They sent iegelati hl- (Hear.) If we go much filithen' than tin! riilFriht?ra e!r,t_ain extent '.with the resolutions or his noble he has taken r The home is called upon by the nem, lord Ireland ........ Be &lc Twice daily ...... Rote head _ ITwieedaili
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' 'far from the duty Of a government. , • Let ilth Suppese a Vase; 1.46 the Goeeminene end the house. . I have no particular teaelt the" Scriptures-they gire what they consider et plain we get int. the department of the poor_law,, and we Must triehit it-Joh-Oiled:tussah enly howe
, ver, to . a limited extent, to decide upon five resolutions only when the' state of the itfaleira . ,
. ' •Tihe 9th of tho month South fit
tet. its' suppose. a criminal wore brought -before a judge; fancy,"hovieveir foiethis nrimbor oh SO h and as the hon. ntene- interPretation of those Scriptures while they are to Aching either pettido or not provide few the temporal existence, for ler.tahie wehe some portions of them which they would
.have :benches on •both sides of • the. house shows how. ready hon. Madeira .. 7 ..:.........:N 23d of naonth •••• Llv aml
on
erpoo ...
that that judge in passing sentence •upon ihim -were 'Ler.' fee Oldhein proposee to leave' in the- word " Alllrell,l them. They de not merely have them read, but they deduce. the food and shelter, of these little outcasts. I -remember see- t
me.. wittoa hirect negative, To the first resohitioei ‘, That members have been to give their opinions on the whole &tette (seelrld!i) ' ‘,. .
to say, ~ You have violated 'your eluty „to, Ged.; , and Which Omit, sobsoldokly, f should beavining to sa.y all that the. waning *OM the Words'. It is a well-known doctrine of ' ing one poor wretched bor iu Newgate, who said•'Ye Paid' 2:-_l7 in re ?Imi,l,Tn ef tile house it is desirable to extend, revise, iquestione-hheari,etio ite will go forth eo_morrow to the .seeita .... .... . e: e. AS, 428 of mon Dover ...... 4, 20 mo.
man," and that the crimenal Were to reply,
,".t. am.sorry if I -is to' be-said about sub-inspectors. in 'one resolution. It would our cetyn Church that nothing need be held as an article of- :A nicht for his lodging. The magistrate asked him,- irw " aP` ere',l:4ate the minutes of the committee of cOuncil on. country that the.pompous division upon an indefinite num- Mauritius (see India) -, '. '
1.. 14th of th n ..
*
. have offended against eh* laws, birt there Was-ne inetientecni allele gaud thus, namelyeet, peat it is expedient that- there. f ill Which is not either plainly contaiiied in the Screptureh , gotirined. Ha said, ', I gat it by holding gentlemen itnotseO, h i
ehessictaatison,
ther Majesty's Government vioeld, . without. any , leer of school inspectors..which we are, now asked to. cone° "IgliZeoltjus •'•• "' '' 'l'lucf or tieeemmornitst.i' so theme
iu lily Country which taight oie that 'there. wee e eGod ;i• tsleoeld• besub-inspectors, and. that, Englauchand-Waleri should or which cannot be proved thereby. (Hear.) I 'cannot, theree eor eny odd job."
„The magistrate said, "But if yea eau t get it .
been saicillth at" give' a hearty and cordial assent.' It had to, is a division on the great * question, *hat system of Naples.. -..,...7 -.. :: •::::,, bthlsth2sthormon.lDoaver - teniApril 16
never heird what these laws were ; -.I wag - kept from. school he divided into divisions for the Purposes' of education." foi.e, think that that mode of teaching cd: the British and Fo- that way I" " Then (he said) I get it any how.'
.I.knetw oery a thet resolution would absolve the Governneent ethic Aim) shall prevail in England ! (Hear.) I cennot be- New Granada ~.....Y ill Ss 17th of mouth Southan•iplOZl -
when I •was young ; I•was not allowed bymy etnployerte re. (Hear) , That weuld perfectly fulfil my object. - Tae.ieolu- reign School Society ouolit to be distaisteful to the Church .of well wbat the." any how" lucent, But if you take tha leo I. from that i
t c fi' ((.1 It would rernsibility which was now a portian of its duty. Imre thet my right hon. friend (Mr. Henley) will persiet ./gew Zea1and.......... BY Private si ip .. Various port Uncertain
ceive-any- education ; and it is not anY fault that I stand here. tions go on tO flay, ‘! that the committee of Priyy Couneii England. But unfortunatelz, although king George 111., and and keep him at school all day-hand he afterwards goes 0 n
t bat it w icele
ici. July strengthen the hands of. the Government, in his amendment, as he is no doubt satiefied with the ade •Papal States ......._ b. !_ithl
.tll.2sthofinon. Dover ......
before you for violatinf la ws of which I never heard." (Cheers ) should- have , power to form in each division school dietricts, his son th; Duke of Kent, the father of her gracious Majesty, shelter, he will nit have•his 2d. to pay for it , . and you must
would moth not reduce their duties- on tho contrary it miseion Made by her Majesty's Government and the noble Peninsula ........,,m ?itdik7till, 2t7htormn. Southampton
i'''lr. it appears t) me that in such a case, althoug'h the itidge „ coneistirg of single or united parishes, or ihrthof pirishes." were hoth instrumental in setting up, favouring, and patro. either be exceedingly hush and severe to htm, or_hou. nalis , er add to them. The right hon. baronet having lord. He would not be doing justice to his cause if he per- Pittlio•a•taT:•*-1• ii•;1; ay priv'ate shirapnli* trlohnsamPterts Uncertain
h adverted to
would undoubtedly .not be 'responsible for 'the neglect, yet lam told that it would be objectionable to unite paeishes, ailing the British and Foreign School Society, and although incur the danger of extending your po.or relief to c.lassdet / o
ceeded to re;
:IT statistics Connected with educatien, pro. sisted in his amendment ; for he very fairly called upon Sii,.„ '-'•• •• - **le sthlsth26tholmon, Dover ..P°..
:that the Legislature would be guiltrif the neglect continued, I have no doubt that there would be a good deal of jealousy for sonic time that society carried on the struggle. unaided, yet are not proper's, entitled to it. -My right lean:, frieu eow P those resolutions which referred to eating, the house to consider the re_solutions as a *hole awl the , .Tual,al`
ly""••••••••••ie ithl6t42sthofinon. Dover . .::
and if it knew perfeetly well that there werieumnerous chil- upon-that score • but the right hon. gentleman opposite ha. I think, most mffortunately, that question of the necessity of me (Mr Baines), who las so long aud so creditably to him- remarking that as far as they ware voluntaly there' could be conduct of the Government end the feelinz Of 'the house ' "Veneznoir.::::•: ' ::::el 24 & 17th oftrionth Southern. ;ton 1 k Ittmcg
dre" In this country who were in the
.case :which, I have truly observed, 'that perishes are often too small to have the Church Catechism in the schools was introduced ; and self Presided over the .Poor-law Board, know, theis claestie.a lie possih.le objectioil 'be them. With regard to the appoint- show the aceerracy and wisdom of my righh hon. fei„de, Van Diemen's/e:nd(se.
stated, and were liept at k by' their employers not schools H h mentioned a 'case in - which a parish had from that time the cbureh Catechism has been considered ne. a vast deal better than I do. lam qu,it,B I.,_eauy, Lee entertain ment of inspectolo he thought it very desirable that the best judgment. I mit sure it' would not be advisable to have a ve'tustralla) "'" " ".-`l2d& 17th oi month I
en ndies ....., .. As i Southampton I& is mon
only en week days, b.w"•-oh e eh • '-' ld l•. Bas • • •t h 1 1 • cessary not so much on eecount of its containing anything the question but Ido not venture, witu toe hohoto that 1 returno•should be had, but how to bt •th he onsidered di •.0
i
ut on Sundays, so
.. a. .py . ppn on y five children met e and, of • course, i wot ( ie impose
o ain om . c
~ • yisi nop the five resolutions of the noble lord, which, . • ,
not attend even to Sund
hieh Otl • • h b ', '. 1 . •t' n n the sub- a vetytliffieult ' •
w . tele . .
would refuse to agree to, as for the purpose of ave a out it, to make any forma proposi to o and delicate operation. If tbat mformatioo were
' • . ' te ib
ay-sehool. I sa,y, sir, that a sta sle to make that
.a sehool district. The. next resolutiou
though minutely objectionable as they are, nevertheless are •• ... •
which connives at .
exceedingly useful to make to be obtained bysub-i
making a distinction between church schools and others. jeet• l think that it would be . , . . nspectors, he did not think there could modified by the coneeesion of the noble lord, and I hardly
such a state of thin s ' d (loos. not take alludes to the m.eans. of education, and.that 'stile end of those
g , an
•
sonie efficient measures to provid
mation - The remainine resolu- (Hear.) Where the school committee ofany parish shall think mere. graots to the ineustrial schoole, to make them mote De aoy difficuitYin the Comenittee of Privy Council procuring 'think the noble lord- vvilt ask the honor to divide on these • • BIRTHS.. .
La remedy, neglects one ofe which refer to obtaininginfor
~ i .
• th
its most serious and solemn duti
I c'
. it necessary that the Church Catechism should be taught,' I. liberal, and to rather enlarge. the rides upon this . subeee , that information for itself. . Inspect h 1(.1‘
. (Loud cheers.)• Now, . hoes goon to provide means. „ The right hon. gent eman op-
ors sou have full infinitiisimal differences. lt would hardly be worthy of
' i
sir, I am not saying that this ho
quite willine though it does not ogre, with my opinion -but beyond, that, and beyond -that which has been already power to enforce the Inforinetion they required, otherwise it the dignity of the house, when assembled so solemnly and . . .01 & SON.
use.bas neglected:its duty.; posite. (Mr.. Henley) objected very much to that resolution by am .
o,
aud here agaiai am struck •
le and which will be would be r '
with theekeonsistene 'of ' 'gilt the comniissiehers Oit. charitable trusts with regand to those that the Church Catechism should' be•taught in that schoot..• done with regard to reformatorY sclhee-, • Pe teeth' valueless • and he was afraid that nothing with so much ceremony, .to be eaned upon to divide upon On the 10th inst., at 67, Charlwood-street-west, Bel- '
. hon..friend. My right hon. frieod reed en e Y mYri
' e ' ' •h • • ' • '•'•.' '. t the core • . But Ido
,consider it .necessary on the ground of religiousli. still further done I cannot say that I have any plea to pro. abort of an act ofdhirliiiiieiii;-would secure that grave-reed, the wife of Mr W. M •
xtrect from Mr: funds whic aie now useless or nhutions o munity.
beneficial re- the uestion of havio sub-ins (-Mors or not. I hope the Trollope, eolicitor, of ,
. Baines, where he shows what haa been done f hf 11 otl , betty, that those children whOse parents do not a prove of Pose on the subjeCt. I have now gone throureh these various suit. With regard t., the. resolution exteudiug the .s f' bp •, • g P-h h It -•26 'P ..1" ' ' *• *
hat respect whic t e ouse, muet feel , ar lament-street.
as he says, the volentary princi de ; Whitgreaotr education by, 'My-right hon, friend the'member for Co-venn w ohh :/
their learning the chiirch cateciOhno should not b,i:rehuire 1. resolutions; and 1 must say that Ido hot think that an at- the Charity -Commissioners, he.needonl sa that. hrwMle o . ho e lord, „VII t
flth t the best course is to ield tth On the 11th i t tCI h . he wi ,
made sinee the year,lBlB-; and how it stands la).itottress it has •him; objected exceedingly to a particuler sc eme, w . min ass .
to learn it, aud shouldinot be excluded from the school 0,, tempt made, inde endently of tho Government, to extend the ty's Goyernment entirely concurred iYa le end
thre
Ljeersi for hint, wi cee
1 taf
these benches, ouch 3.t0 11 o 11° m.
„hew_
ais na ~ a ap am-common, t fe of A,
incithente 'But leo it observed that during the pereloPjeeentt •ibeen laid upon the-table
.ofithe hous, e by these commuil utet.
that `account. The- noble ' hied (Cecil) seemed to me to be educetion of the Pee le of this country by means of the State, Chancellor had introduced a bill into the Heuse fLo d ( comment. sen , men
_of
.t. 0
ri so t e 4-. hi ltt, -r-i q•
~ ,
,
h Oda. hon baronet th
o 1 s on. diploma re lenguage o _ e MOM. ,
1818 there has• been, aceording to the essay la.tely
pith, re with respect to the charities of Coventry. He rid at no ,
' speaking sonieweat irreverently of tho'Hol Scriptures when •is one deservinepof Paley great blame or reprehonsfon. . The the subject. Ile (Sir G. Gre •
) dui not see how any man, ber for 'Carlisle make a clean breast of it ; and having ' ,
c, •
~. : OP A DAI7OIIIIIIB. . , 1
I
by. one 'of the most intelligent of the iespectors of schools :Id suck scheme had ever her thotightiof hefore in t is loon reoet
he sahl --that Christians differed so Yrnaeh that no. resolutions may be ill adapted te this end, er they may, many e mld object to the restorationYto their '.ro er use of fd- gi 'p th in'ost vital Ixlints, that he wilh n -t' t e ten tne llth inst.,at 13, Dbver-street, - •
Temple, no 'less than two millions voted bythis house for, the Well, h reuet heg mh, right hon. friend s pardon. am n
thing but a pure theism was left •I do not think that that is of them be creditable. I wid.say at once, as I should not now useless and injurious.. There Were .mp al; . old chatn•itniess ihveen 11-
edi • I ft th hu h h _ o rouhle. - • Piccadilly, the
.honse to vie e, a ene eoseas fi Own that they do • f f H L E
wi e o enry ee, sq.
' ' ducation _Nor is that all It ' I,
purpose of promoting e . . • is s own the originator of•this scheme.- I looked. yesterday at a re-
t d •• t• I * • ' h ' l Cons to cause ereat onnosition '
which hdf• )1 • • ' • '
a correc escup ion. t seems to me that the ocripturee con. Wls the latter of .these reso u i e- , eh,- , . a- ehien into obscurity, which were decidedly Juju- • not sanction the, educational holieh of the • noble bed; •On the 10th. iust ,at Amwell, Harts, the wife of Ca t
,• by' Sir Johleuttleworth that the' contributionhof Churchmen port eIChI f 11 tuber dto have ad n this suthect
fro ,v ic u y reme e .re o . . i. , , .
tain very plain and forcible lessons - that with reeare to the and contention in this house, and P"113P8 "8 reJe"B", we'en rams, and it was one of the objects of , the noble ierd,s ro' i ho th
p e nohle.l n (1, in .order that the übl• ' ' G. G. Randolph, R..N. P •
eoramissioners who ware appointed to inquire nito ,
file shell not • i
...
.. • - •
alone amount to no lese than 800,000/i Per ahnomi and that •ellani4a.bk:l lave of our neighbours, to our duties te our neighaurs to the they might meet. with a happier fate .ou another occasion, idiom to amend and strengthen them. A.dvertine agai est
- b (I' ce'v dor deluded in the matter '
among the persons who are.the most active suppctrtere of edu- lgeee te t_drests, and:who sat from the year 19 Ts te tl.ie. year_
forgiveness of injuries-with regard to our many mordduties that I shall not propose to the committee to go beyond the the resolution in reference to rating, the right hon. tier:ii °t
a:i.•Liec 'toe' withdraw the' whole of' • ivt;:s say, "I. veill . • , mARR/ED. • .
cation are the clergy of the Established Church. Had it net and. the. e°olntuP•ougham wae at the
.fided of that commission -; _
with regard, above all, to our duty to God, the lanousge of first five of these i•esolutiene• I PrOl'ese to ask the Oonsent stated that a conunittoe had sat uptim the subject :fo`i,severeal tri,-„,:gh cotivinceit 1 ern right, yet eel; ii e
.resolutions,
On the 28th November 1855- , .
beetifOrlhe income which they derive from the establisbitent, read, and I-willsnioontetrs State ha theirh reiport-xtit isttoobletnie to-i:
Scriptiire is more plain, more emphatic, and illustratechby ee. of the committee te amend thehecond eesolution io the way sessions. He was aware of all the difildulties that Surrounded iif-CtiMthons belietee lam wromg 3' a
tyheaetetain the H2ollse.
efterWaiels at the Cntholic Cb' at
St.
Peter's
Church, and 1
t'seenag to 'nal, that less would hahe been fortheonaing for the! statethat their i are sor"ble nu ivit.. a ong e . a.re ---. h they
ampies whiCh go more to the heart of man and the child of I have stated, and to agree te the first flve of the resolutions, this question, and principally. of that difficulty which was in- the best Course for the noble lord tO take. It 7fritr: to%
bourne, Australia,
_Michael grneldi °f
'St'
Francis'
Mel.
f chtirCh schools!, and the glorious results which Ite the commueit • me chanties w inch are positively injurious •
e der aee than any of those formularies Iwhich since the which sanction ee rino' e, in the•first pace, of extending, volved iu the permission it afforded • . im to ase the house t • • • at-law eldest so ergast, Esq., barrister.
purPose e , ul tl 11 3' . that they produce a scrambling for -the -ea e •e. . ~ * P ert ~ . . . o cbil.ireu toovithdraw for h . 0 divide on his resolutions, or ~. n of Michael Prendergast E q one fh r
have flowed from them. (Hear.).
,I• had a 1 y
etter o te sma s
u
ins of money which are iv n amity.. and that. the„ 16th century, have been invented in order to distniguish be. cohsolidating, and revishie the minates of the Committee of from that religious teaching to whichtheir parents objected. th„t we should go into the lebby on them and, coast
ithe Mejeety's Counsel, to Jane, nun °et den' latsa" n e
y g g rof the late
. from a clergyman giving me' all 11000Unt of the even leadto riotous pro • .
.
g e - ' .' t th different sects of the Christia•n world. I therefore Privy Ceaneil, and which next sanction the aPPeintneent of He could not helpthinking that this would at last lead to three•quarterd 'Of an hoi •- • • ' • I eurence C S
other daY
ceedings ; that they are exceedingly wean e
ir in deetding a question that 4, rinse myth, of Snugboroh in the county. of
charges of hieincome 0f3.50/. a-Year. Those burdens, to. w .
hich small in amount •
••
hold that though it is quite necessary that a man who belongs sub inspectors, thereby to ascertedh voliht is the- reit! state of the estahishinent of a purely secular system: (Hear.) Such ought never to have
ly contrilsuted, reduced it to 70/e . ti count if , and that it would be • most useful for tho
been entroduced eo our notice. • To.do Heath, and A libeyfeale, in the•county 'of Limerick E-q.
the school' large
hadicofici r ..eiluealu.matiliy of there coal(' be applied to the purpose of to one p„ticuier chereh ehould knew the reasons why that the education of. the countrY.• ' y:::,:: rt;i7.... MI- Horace a aYstena as voluntary. rating would tie practically useless. thie would be making a mockery of ai„ussion anh dial/dot, On the 10th inst., at Fulham Church, Mr. Willis: E:
not reduced to .p.overtly, because he . . _ e. , ,
._,...., . utene only this,ot onl church differs from others, yet.l cannot think that a bey or e Mann's report on tha iducatiohsl • impossiole in His uoble foienth(Loyd J. Russell) gave power to the quarter anal hope the nehle lord will not from any thistak„ no, . . Whitelock, of the Strand, -to Maria Ellen seco d d gh-
tlema,u MU '
y Was this the report
t e•t
t th
ter of Me.
eources of income ; but I wide)? t is to. show that it f
is rom of tuese commisiioners, and approveil by L' . • •.1 at most 14 years 01de/should be compelled to learn those that manner wee hy that meeinery oee a e led value.of sessions to impose a tette where it was deemed necessary, , tutu of the nece4ity of Mai oteining his z•eputation, put Eadclyffe of Frith-street, 'n "-
era Brougham-, gu ,
, . Soho-square.
fluid. derived front the iestablisument that those sums iie., who eitil no.t sign titie original report, but the present Le- 0 -differences, but should rather be
,aileweee to continue, at many of the schools in that list- I bqie:l,43 that many of these but he conlil noteee that, under all circumstances, a compul- the house to the Mortification of t aking a division' on his ,
obtained which aro. boasted ollsy the advocates of the volun- Chaelco or, 'n a sta ement neade irk the House err., 1 . lead until that time
..of lifei in the conimon bond of sehoois
•,and scholars are merelYnemr• Ire maY 811 d bY aorY rate Would be- beneficial. There were strong reasons resolutions, but will con„nt to withdraw them all, for • • .
or( s in . .
• DIED.
' flowed-solely and entirely from, that' ,April, 1853, preposed "to give to the board the Chrishan charity. (Hear, hear.) I hear persons belong. further inquiry that they are, het,er tt 12ii,t,' .avi.e. sueopesed.; against giving persons the right to impose a „mpuhiory rat,?, the noble lord must see that in his scheme he has mistaken On
tory principle. ite if they
power of
the 10thinst. at 16, Sutton- 1 L
charities. in four •
principle. And the'u comes mr rightihon. frieud the member &env with t.leer . ingtaneee -namely first log both to the Church of Englaed and dissenting bodies say 7 may Awl that they do net ueselv? ? ,ee, nialen'aine`4.• ."ut It and he waS afraid it would Hot be atteeded with any benea- tbe spit•it of the age and the character of hie countrymen. 'j. B. Duncan Esq.', barriste •t 1 P ane'
ower Clapton ,
fur C'''r isle, who . was -a memo-era-. the Government which where the.. object of. the chanty had wholly failed_ 'awe e
t that such a persen holds such a eeligioe . and they sey that if will be of great importance to aseer‘ani *keec 'acts which will cial results, while it would creato a vast -deal of hostility end , Nothieg, then, could be.- more .graceful and dignified on ' Oil the 100; inst• lir
Ger a • aw, M.A., aged 40.
Pro Posed grants forCducation, and who, having fillecrthe diet ',had, become :ielleoseiblee to
.euerY it into effect ; hicoodie, . the British and Teeeign,•the cherch of ingland, and the Ro- form the, groundwork of an elementarY meelnire• • And now oleposition. (Hear, hear ) With regard to the guastien ef the part of the aohle ioed,e aft,r having virtuallY aban- lane, Hoib„„ge'd ee. ' orge Comfort, of 92, Fetter- • :
tinguished officer of oechetary of State for the.lilome peloOrt- , whehe the 9b-lect 'tB°lf had not failed, but where it Lid men catholic „hoots are s„pported by grants from the Privy let me saY that, not e ithetending .ll I
a__ tle oeuections Oat are religious instruction, he deeply regretted that that' wa.s a • doned his plan, than for the noble lord to consent to with- .On the 9th i'nst , t$ 1
ment- which no naan ever fillecl with, more abilitY--bas him- failed of doing what might, be sopposed to have been the in- Council, you are supportiegi different . religions, 1 eutiroy made, Ido believe that the extension of the education of this difficulty Wiech every one had. to encounter in endeavouring , draw hie resolutions. •' • - . . Mrs. Elizabeth day aged 66 .
a e grave-terrace, St. Johles-wood, ,
self been.a member of the Committee 'of Council Whisth .made .•tentiOn. of the felluder., or teOdleid to_ the encouragement of deny the justice of that application of the word. - And I hare coliiintr
e 3r, that an endeavour to make it
.entl, is au object to establish a system of education, But there were advan- - Lord ,J. RUSSELL, with great deference to the right' •• On the 9th • ' - • •
.
inst., at Frenchay, near Bristol, General
those grants. llaviugebeen all that, -he now comes forwerd as pauperiem or iminorality;t tl.inei.y., where tivt °r mere elm- good authority on that subject.. Towards the end of thelife of w ich
iotught to obtain the attenteoeneeoett.tnfusithointse, and that tales arieini from religious differences whoe, o.ught,"..t to he hoe. gentleMau (Mr. Di4raeli) and the light hon. baronet John Greenstreet, II E. 1.0.5.. aged Th. ' ,
hie trumpeter of the -voluntary principle. (Cheers
.and laugh- rities existed for se.inewha !cii ai,pui,po:ets, nt the funds of that pious and zealous preacher, Jehn Wesley, some one toid 7 oug. i to look to the bestmeans of te i
I nsidf ..
.le.riaid that • oredooked, for they had stimulated the eitteblishmenteie many
. (Sir S. Graham), should attewee to do what-be co.nceived •On the 9th i t t4Ch d t t C d'
ns ~ a , an os-s ree , aven ish-square, .
.
ier,) sir, I will new refer a little to some personal cleterFes neither was sufficient for 1 s .0%71 od,i'., hut when united him that his nephew Lae changed his religion,and become alto" tl ath °Pose' is a despotic one- ,e° r that 't 18 one schools which were most useful, and which-would net. otner- to be best for the cause of education.. He did not consider_ the-sec .
ond son of Dr. Pollock. •
vhich Mr. Baines has made avainst mee lam not going they might do geoid ; fourthly, where ru tee case of e Male
h •• • s man Catholic. He replied, ".I Will not have it said that he tending to extend the freedom of this country. (Hear.) We wise have been formed. • (Hear, hear.) If schools were to . loin 1
se f bound to take the adyice of those right hon. gentle- .On thee9th inst at Winckley-square P to
Make any charges against him He is the son of a Man , Which had been founded abeve sixty years-At was not pro- has changed his religion; iiehas changed his opinion and mode have heel). told by the poet in his description of the Country be estahlieleed by rates, he thought the Proposition *Men • becauseof the resolutions were defeated' by a vote of the sec d d " fth lt H , res. n, Susanna,
o
on &ugh* o ce ae • enry Fielding, Esq.,
hi '• I' very greatly respected for, his- honest and consistene 1 posed to touch modern charities -it was found that thteresult of wershiP ; but religion is not that-it is quite a different Church- .
• of his noble friend the best which could be adopted, Wit cer; thathouse, -there would b.e_an end tee a scheme vehich 'he • '
ageh '62. • • ''
' ' ' -
[induct; both as the conductor of a most respectable news- expected was totally inadequate to the funds applied to it ; thlng," /I_,
1-ear.) He did. not think that a person changing hits Perchance in this neglected spot are laid . , . , teiniy in many districts the ratepayers would entertain strong believed was a useful one. He very well recollected that On lb 31 ' 'S th
e ( inst., at ou ampton, Chafe W. D. Hellyer,
aper in the north of Eogrand and ao a niembereof this house. in eaeh of these. cases it. was proposed that the board might opireon and mode f h' fom one denomination of Chris- , . Same hearts oncepreguant with celestial fire,
o WOTS ip r . . .
, objections' to such a proposal, With regard to the enforce- 111'1839 a. great storm was 'raieed on acceunt •f. • .
o a roiecone of 7, Arundel-terrace, Islington.
fa is the brother of a right hou. gentleman •for_whohe I ha_oro, select e . ds " Th• h t• 't •
b h
ion different application
,of the fun . is was t e lam yto another had thereby chrged his religion, ut tat Hands that the rod of empire Might have swayed, e . ment of the attendance of children, - many difficulties would caption relative te hernial :Schools •• Ne
. morons. petitions • • - - , , ,
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tways entertained the highest regard, and with whom I haoe - .pcopositien of the. Lord Chancellor,.and I_ think it was a most lie mieht still .h 1
o d all that was necessary for his salvation. Or waked to etstacy the living lyre. .. %rise, for where they were greatly dispersed they were in a were e d against
. presen e theteovernment measure, and much ------7 ' -......-.......„
ila happiness generally to agree on ~,alitical Subjects.- • I ira , excellent pee; .leie-, it wee suuk in a place where, I regret to (Hear) If
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se, 1 that be the ease, we need not be apprehensive that But knowledge to their eyes her ample page, . totally differeet position to factory children. With respect to clamour wastaieid; foundehme misconceptioneGovernment LONDON: Printed and Published by MURDO YOU.NC , .
ot going to say a word ag,ainst Mr. Baines ; but knowing 'saye, many excellent, thine aro lost-e select committee of te
. lve
thir committees will introduce h•religious teachmg. We ' Rich d ne'er
withllie shells of Time di unroll. . . the hist resolution, he-- tie:eight nothing co ,
aid .W more Useful h li fit t withdraw that pert of the.proposal, but (lid 'Of NO 1
1 t ong
.t o . . . .
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hot he is an advocate of the voluntary principle, and that I i the : Howie bf Lards: •:(A lauge.) It ' went inte a select 11
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he sectuity that the Bible will be
,read and taught in Sir, it should be our object that that impediment should. be . than adult scheols, and any encouragement which emild be i hot think it aelvisahleto withdraw the wheleof the scheme • ` • ' - •-
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--ne. nf ft... ts___ _ . ..
ai not an advocate of that priuciple.,,why should he not I committee and; it never 'came out again. . (Hear, hear.) .1 the se ools. We have, if they thiuk fit, the Catechism, or
...removed, audthat "knowledge-should utlrell-her ample stbre'e: given to suc
'h schoula was well deserving the attention of the ' The measure was carried in that hone. lea .. -____e. - I Strand_ in tha P.••••*4 *
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The house having resolved itself into committee on the re-
solutions regarding education, •
Lard J. RUSSELL rose and said—l read the other day in
the newspapers an account of the examination of a witness be-
fore the Crimean Board of Inquiry, now carrying on, in which
Lord Lucan having asked the question whether he would not
be surprised at his statement, the witness replied, " I am net
surprised at anything." The nil actinirari state of mind is
exceedingly philosophical, and' I will .endeavour to attain to
it ; but I own that I was much surprised at the speech of my
right hon. friend the member for Carlisle. That Mr. Baines
should support the soluntary Principle is not surprising, but
that my right hon; friend, after having sat on the 'Education
Committee of the Privy Council, should come here to proclaim
the voluntary principle to obtain the cheers and applause
pf , those who , are , supporters of the voluntary
principle does, L confess, surprise me. Now let us con-
sider a little what this voluntary principle is. In the
first place, it is a principle which has never been adopted
by any nation. There was no republic, before republics were
• destroyed—of Holland, of Genoa, and of Venice—which load
not some kind of establishment for the purpose of inculcating
religion and morality. In all the countries of Europe there ;
'are some establishments for this'Purpose. We differ from the
United States of America in that we have a church establish-
- ment and no school establishment On the other hand, in
America they had a school establishment, but they had not a
church establishiacent. (Hear.) One thing, however, I de.
maintain,, viz., that it is the duty of a government, it is a
part ofits functions, to endeavour to teach somewhat of our
duty to Got and man to the young or to the adult. (Cheers)
• The voluntary principle haa' done great things. It has built
churches and chapels ; it has communicated religious know- '
ledge fo millions. But, be it observed, that while the
voluntary principle is perfectly consistent with the principle •
of an estabhshnfent—while the principle" of an establish-
ment in 4, exist, and while the voluntary principle may all
the time be in great force, as we have seetrof late years in
this country—it is-not possible,' on the other hand; to main-
tain the voluntary prnciple, to-make that the principle of I
your state, and at the Same time to maintain the principle
of an establishment. The principle of an establishment does
not exclude voluntary effort ; but if you proclaim the 'eolith-
tart' principle you do exclude the principle of an establish:
ment. (Hear.) WeU, then, the voluntary principle comes
to this,. as I have heard it stated, and as I often see it illus-
trated in the voles of this house, namely, that while you slay
support the criminal law, while you may use the gaol and
the gibbet for the purpose of punishing offenders; while-you
may have been knocked.down by the staff of the eonsta.ble or
cut by the sabre of the soldier, you shall mat be allowed to
teach any religious truth or to enforce any Moral prin-
ciple upon. the minds either of ..'young or old in this
country.. (Cheers.) Sir, it appears to me that iS departing.
far from the duty Of a government. Lot Tils 'suppose a Case;
Let us inippose a criminal were brought before a _judge;
that that judge in passing sentence .upon ,him -were
to say, " You have violated--your 'duty to. God;,, and
man," and that the criminal Were to reply, “ lam
.sorry if I
have offended against theie laws, blit there was no institution.
in My Country which tatight me that there, a clod ; 1'
never heard what these laws were ; I was _ kept from_ school
when f was young; I was not fillowed bymy etnployert• re.
ceive-any- education ; and it is not any fault that I stand here.
• before you for violatin; laws of which I never heard," (Cheers )
sir, it appears; to me that in such a ease, although the judge.
would undoubtedly. •not be 'responsible for the neglect, yet
that the Legislature would be guilty if the neglect continued,
and j i
if it knew perfeetly well that there were-numerous
state star e
tiecl
nthis country who were in. the case witich, I have
and were kept at work by their employers,, not
only on week days, but onSundays, so 'that they could
not attend even to SundaysisehOl. I say, sir, that a state
which connives; at such a ate of things, and doos not take
some efficient measures to provide a remedy, neglects one of,
its most serious and solenau sir, I am not saying that this duties,
(Loud cheers.) Now,
house has neglected its duty_•
and here again.' am struck with the inconsistencyright
, hon. friend. My right hon. friend readextract from fmr
ire'e for education by,
tr
progress it has
Baines, where he shows what bee been do
at tt
as he says, the voluntary princi de ; what
great since the year.lBlB-; and how it Stands
present
inottent.. But be it observed that during the
1818 there has been, according to the essay lately p:ilissi:ced
by one of the most intelligent of the iespectors of schools, lelr.
Temple, no less than two millions voted by this house fo; the.
purpose of promoting education. _Nor is that all. It is shown
, by Sir J.,Slauttleworth that the' contributions of Churchmen
alone amount to no less than 800,000/. per annum; and that
among the persons who are the most active supporters of edu-
cation are the clergy of the Established Church. Had it not
been forthe income which they derive from the establishment,
t'seemg tome that less would have been fortheoming for the
purpose of church schools, and the glorious results which
have flowed from them. (Hear.). ' I bad a letter only the
day from a clergyman giving me an account of the
charges of his income 0f350/. a'rear. Those burdens, to which
the school' largely
contributed, reduced it to 701: This gen-
tleman was not reduced to .poverty, because he had other
.aourcee of income ; but I mention this to, show that it is froth
funds derived from the 'establishment that those sums are
obtained which aro boasted .of by the advocates of the volun--
tary principle, as if they flowed-solely and entirely from- that'
Principle. And then comes my. right-hon. friend the member
for Car isle, who was merrier-of the Government which
proposed grants for education, and who, having filledlhe
tinguished officer of Secretary of State for the Home Depart-
ment— which no man ever filled with, more ability—has bin,.
self been a member of the Committee of Council whi.ah 'made
those grants. Ilaviug_been all that, he new comes forward as
the trumpeter of the voluntary principle. (Cheers and laugh-
ter.) Sir, I will now refer a little to some personal charges
which Mr. Baines has made against me. lam not going
to make any charges against him. He ig the son of a Mail
whom I' very greatly respected for his honest and consistent
conduct, both as the conductor of a most respectable news-
paper in the north of England and as a member-of this house.
He is the brother of a right hoe. gentleman for who,* I have.
always entertained the highest regard, and with whom I have
the lisppiness generally to agree on eolitieal subjects.' I am
not going to say a word against Mr. Baines; but knowing
that ho is an advocate of the voluntary principle, and that I
am not an advocate of that PriuciPle,wily should he not

•r v. Graham); should etten4t to do what he conceived
to b© best for the cause of education. He did not consider
himself bound to take the advice of those right hon. gentle-
men, because if the resolutions were defeated by a vote of
that house, there would bean end to a scheme which he
believed was a useful one. He very well recollected that
Ii u I r 39 a great storm was rai.;ed on ace mint of a mi3con-
caption relative to narmal schools. Nemerous petitions
were presented against the Government measure, and much
r-
clamour was rai-wd, founded on misconception. Government
thought fit to withdraw that part of the proposal, but did
i not think it advisable to withdraw the wholeof the scheme.
The measure was carried in that house by a majority of

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