The Sun.
London, England, 1860-06-30 00:00:00

THE SUN, LONDON, SATURDAY EVENING, JUNE 30, 1860.

not having a vote is just the reason why they
have never been appealed to, and never examined
these questions, and been enlightened on them. In
France they are as wise as these artisans, for in
Paris where prices are even higher for meat than
they are here, the Government will not allow
the bakers to raise the price of bread. Bread
and shows the Parisians must have, or the tables
might be timed, and the King of NAPLES have
to enlighten his Imperial brother at the Tuileries
on-how to keep a throne. French Govern-
ments do not seem to have advanced beyond
English meetings of artisans.

LATEST NEWLi.

The following telegrams have been received at
Mr. Reuter's office :

NAPLES, JUNE 29.
There is great agitation here. Even in the
streets things are far from quiet.
The proclamation of reforins does not appear to
have given satisfaction.

NAPLES, JUNE 28, EVENING.

This evening riotous assemblages took place in
the Strada di Toledo. A grand gala was held
to-day to celebrate the inauguration of the
constitutional flag.

TURIN, JUNE 30.

The Neapolitan Government has ordered the res-
titution of the two captured vessels, and the re-
lease of crew and passengers.
The state of things at Naples inspires great fears
of anarchy and of conflicts between the Lazzaroni
and the remainder of the population.

ROME, JUNE 29.
Reports are current that the Papal Governmetv
is about to grant reforms.

PARIS, JUNE 30.

A private telegram from Naples, dated Thursday
evening, states that on Wednesday some disturbers
of the public peace assaulted and wounded the
Minister of France.
On the 28th inst. the commissariats of the 12
districts of the city were simultaneously ransacked
and pillaged. The archives were burnt and the
agents murdered.
Naples had been proclaimed in a state of siege,
and any assembling in the streets had been
prohibited.

PARIS, JUNE 29.
The treaty to arrange the boundaries between
France and Sardinia has been signed here.

The French Government has communicated to
the Powers that it is willing to accept one of the
three following modes for settling its differences
with Switzerland .

1. To negotiate direct with the Federal Govern•
ment.

2. To admit to this negotiation the Powers who
signed the final Act of Vienna.

3. To assemble in Conference.
If a Conference shall be determined on, it will
very probably take place at Paris.
It is quite certain that France will make no
cession whatever of territory.

PARIS, JUNE 29.

The King of Naples has instructed the Marquis
d'Antonini to express to the French Government
his most sincere regret on account of the cowardly
insult offered to Baron Brenier, and promising a
severe retribution upon the guilty parties, who,
however, were not yet discovered, havingsuccecded
in escaping immediately after committing the
assault.

PARIS, JUNE 29.
The Paris papers publish the following telegram
dated Antibes, to-day :

"Numerous inhabitants of the communes of
Tende and Briga, in the department of Nice, are
flying from the villages militarily occupied by the
Piedmontese.

" Peaceable citizens have been arrested for hav-
ing shouted, ' France for ever !' The Emperor
for ever !' "

It is also stated in the Paris journals that Barn!'
Brenier is not dangerously hurt.

'VIENNA, JUNE 29.

It is stated that Lord A. Loftus has informed the
Austrian Government that England is prepared to
take part in a Conference with the other Powers
who signed the final Act of Vienna, in order to
settle the difference pending between France and
Switzerland.

Lord A. Loftus having also been instructed to as-
certain the disposition of Austria in reference to an
immediate assembling of the Conference, Count
Rechberg is said to have replied that, as M.
Thouvenel in his last despatch of the 21st inst. ac-
cepted, in the name of his Government, the Con-
ference as claimed by Switzerland, Austria does not
object to being represented therein. Count Rech-
berg added that Austria recognises that Switzer-
land (whose interests are especially concerned by
these discussions) has a right to take part in this
Conference. She persists, however, in maintaining
that Sardinia can show no title for being repre-
sented therein, Count CaTour having himself stated
that, in consequence of the treaty of the 24th
March, Sardinia would henceforth remain a stranger
to all questions in reference to Savoy.

TURIN, JUNE 29.

The Chamber of Deputies has voted for the new
loan by 215 against 3. Baron Poerio and Signor
Mancini made interpellations relative to the state
of affairs at Naples. Both speakers logically
opposed any arrangement with the Bourbons. The
Minister Farini replied in a manner favourable to
the idea of national unity, but with reserve. •

TURIN, JUNE 29.

The protest of Spain against the connivance of
the Sardinian Government with the volunteer ex-
peditions for Sicily was not remitted to Count
Cavour by the Spanish Ambassador himself, but
by the First Secretary of the Legation acting as
Charge d'Affaires during his Excellency's absence
from Turin.

TELEGRAPH FROM RAGUSA TO ALEX.

ANDRIA.

VIENNA, JUNE 29.

The convention between England, Austria, and
the Porte for the establishment of a submarine
telegraph line from Ragusa to Alexandria was
signed here at noon to-day.

CONSTANTINOPLE, JUNE 29.

By order of the Sultan the Finance Commission
has been transformed into a Council of Coltrol,
with extended powers.
Mehemed Ruschdi Pacha has been appointed
President at the new council.

dolence from almost all the crowned heads of

Europe.

The funeral of Prince Jeiome will take place 1
on Tuesday, at eleven in the morning. The Em
peror, it is said, will not be present; the ceremony
will be conducted by Prince Napoleon, chief mour-
ner. All the members of the diplomatic body have
paid visits of condolence to the Prince and the
Princess Clotilda. The post mortem examination
of the body of Prince Jerome led to the discovery
of a ball which had remained in his chest, after a
duel which he fought in his youth with a brother
of Marshal Davoust.

BOURSE, June 29.—The opening of the market
was dull, and the prices depressed, but they are now
about the same as yesterday. Three varied from
681 45c to 681 571 c ; Mobilier, 670 f to 672 f 50c ;
Austrian, 523 f 75c to 525 f ; Lombard, 501 f 25c to
502 f 50c ; Lyons, 876 f 25c to to 877 f 50c ; Orleans,
1,338 75c to 1,340 f ; Northern, 982 f 50c to 983 f 75c.
The following are the last quotations :

41 per per Cents 96 40 ,
Do end month
3 per Cents
Do. end month 6B 65
Bank Shares . . 28'20
Credit Mobilier 672 50
Do. Account 675

Credit Foncier 865
Belgian 41 —
Piedmontese Fives B3 25
Roman
Austrian
Spanish Threes 49
Home Debt

RAILWAYS.

Cash. Account.
Orleans 1340 1341 25
Northern
New ditto B7O
Lyons and Mediterranean 880 877 50
Geneva — .. 398 75
Southern 516 25 .. 517 50
Western
Eastern
Sardinian 4lO 410
Austrian
Lombard

COWES, ISLE OF WIGHT.—.Tune 28.

ROYAL YACHT SQUADRON INTELLIGENCE.

Arrivals—June 23.—The Dream, Geo. Bentinck,
Esq., M.P., from Portsmouth. June 27.—The
Brilliant, G. H, Ackers, Esq., with his fender;
the Rose Diamond, from the westward, and bound
for Southampton.
Sailed—June 26.—The Eugenia, Richard Frank-
land, Esq., in company with the Cecile, the Mar-
quis of Drogheda, for the Channel Isles and
Ireland.

The Ariadne, which is to accompany the Prince
of Wales on his visit to Canada, will be well worthy of a
visit from our trans-Atlantic cousins, as, although only
mounting 26 guns, these are of the heaViest calibre, and
she actually measures nearly 100 tons more than the Hero,
which mounts 91 guns ; she has also 1,000-horse power,
whereas the latter ship has only 600. According to present
arrangements the Flying Fish will start a day or two in
advance, so that she may be able to reach the shores of
Canada at about the same time with her more powerful
consorts.—Army and _Wavy Gazette.

The King of the Belgians and the Count of
Flanders and suite took leave of her Majesty and the Prince
Consort and the younger branches of the royal family this
forenoon, and left Buckingham Palace for Ostend, where
his Majesty and the Count of Flanders purpose to sleep to-
night.

The Marquis and Marchioness Spaventa and
family have arrived at the Brunswick Hotel, Jermyn-street,
from Italy.

Lord and Lady Saltoun left town yesterday for
Philorth House, Aberdeenshiro.

A marriage is arranged to take place between
Lord Conyers and Miss Curteis, daughter of Mrs. Fitzroy
Campbell and step-daughter of Colonel Fitzroy Campbell.
His lordship, who is the eldest son of Mr. Sackville
Walter Lane Fox, by the only daughter of the sixth Duke
of Leeds, obtained his barony, it will be remembered, last
year upon the death of the late Duke of Leeds.
The Baroness Groeninx de Zoelan has left the
Brunswick Hotel for Holland.

Sir Humphrey and Lady Annette de Trafford
have left Edward's Hotel for Trafford Park, Lancashire.
A deputation of Paper-makers had an interview
with Viscount Palmerston yesterday. The deputation in-
cluded Messrs. William Joynson (Kent), chairman, John
Evans (Messrs. Dickenson and Co.), Thomas Wrigley
(Manchester), William Watson (Messrs. Cowan and Sons,
Edinburgh), Henry Bruce (Edinburgh), George Chater,
James Spicer and Deputy Pewtress (London), William
M'Murray (Wandsworth), T. H. Saunders (Dartford),
F. C. Phipps (Dover), Henry Hall (Kent), William
Delano, Messrs. Delane, Magnay, and Co. (Norwich),
Charles Longman (Herts), Alfred Curtis (Herts), George F.
Busbridre (Maidstone). Henry 1NT1....10,* (High wycnrraws),
Thomas thllingworth (Maidstone), B. Brown (Tunbridge),
C. Potter Darwen, John T. Norris, M.P., A. Town (Messrs.
Annandale and Son, Edinburgh), and Archibald Kintrea,
Parliamentary agent.

A deputation on the subject of the Metropolis
Gas Bill had an interview with Sir G. C. Lewis yesterday
at the Home-office. The deputation consisted of Sir John
Shelley, M.P., Mr. John Locke, M.P., Lord Enfield,
M.P., Mr. William Roupell, M.P., Sir C. Napier, M.P.,
Mr. W. Williams, M.P. ; from St. Georges, Messrs. Wes-
terton and Dowden ; from St. Mary's, Newington, Mr.
Redfern; from Lambeth, Messrs. Stratton, Jeffrie, War.
ren, and Wade; from St. Olave's, Messrs. Walker and
Langley; from St. James's, Mr. Chinnock ; from Isling-
ton, Mr. Elt ; from Chelsea, Mr. Lahee ; from Westmin-
ster Board, Mr. Godeon and Mr. Hartley; from Kensing-
ton, Mr. Green, Mr. Wyatt, Parliamentary agent; Mr.
Beal, hon. secretary ; and Mr. Hughes, engineer.
A deputation on the same subject had also an in-
terview with the Right Hon. T. Milner Gibson and the
Right Hon. W. llutt, yesterday, at the office of the Board
of Trade.
A deputation on the Wine Licenses Bill (Scot-
land), consisting of Mr. Archilbald Livingston (Glasgow),
and Mr. Neil M'Neill (Glasgow), , Rev. J. A. Johnston
(West Linton), and Mr. John S. Marr (Glasgow), had an
'interview with the Chancellor of the Exchequer yesterday
at his official residence in Downing-street.

The Judicial Committee of the Privy Council sat
yesterday. An appeal from Bengal, " Ram Gopal Mooker•
jee v. Mosseyk and Kenny," part heard, was concluded.
Despatches from the Governor of the Falkland
Islands were received yesterday at the Colonial-office.
Despatches were sent to the Governor of the North Ame-
rican Provinces.

At the recent final examination of cadets at the
Royal Military College, some forty young gentlemen passed
an examination which was declared to have fitted them for
commissions in the line. Nevertheless, the Duke of Cam-
bridge, in addressing them, was obliged to state that it was
out of his power to give commissions without purchase to
more than twenty of them ; and the first twenty on the list,
according to the number of marks, were selected. The re-
maining twenty are left either to purchase commissions, or
do the best they can. We are well aware of the calls upon
the Secretary for War to prevent the Reserved Fund being
unduly diminished, especially with a number of cavalry
retirements impending; but we do think, even in the face
of this, and of the Fifteen Million Bill before us, that these
young men have a right to complain of not merely a virtual,
but a direct, plain, and positive breach of faith on the part
of the Government. That a satisfactory career at Sandhurst
secures, or has been in the habit of securing, a contmission
without purchase, is a matter of sufficient notoriety to
render it at least very equivocal conduct on the part of the
Secretary for War to take away the privilege without long
and distinct notice. But, in the present instance, these
young gentlemen went to Sandhurst under a distinct com-
pact with the Government, contained in the regulations
• then in force. The words of paragraph 20 of these
regulations are, " With a view to the advantage of the
Service, and as an encouragement to young gentlemen edu-
cated at the Royal Military College, and a stimulus to their
exertions, commissions are given to all those passing an ex-
amination before the Collegiate Board." Notwithstanding
this very distinct stipulation, the young gentleman who
hate performed their part of the compact are told the Go-
vernment cannot fulfil theirs. There was nothing about
competition when they entered Sandhurst. They invested
their time and money in the acquisition of a military edu-
cation, in retnra for which they are promised the gift of a
commission. They are pronounced duly qualified ; there is
no question as to their -having earned the prize honestly,
lAA itis not convenient for the Minister for War to diminish
his balance by giving it. As regards a private individual
they could undoubtedly maintain an action-at-law ; as
against the Minister, we hope public opinion will see that
right be done.—Army and Navy Gazette.
LOVE AND SUICIDE.—At an early hour yesterday
morning a respectably dressed female was seen to precipi-
tate herself into the water of the Regent's •canal, Victoria-
patk. She ran along the towing-path immediately at the
rear of the Cricketer's Arms Tavern, and was soon strug-
gling in the water. An alarm was raised, but the deceased
disappeared. Mr. Russell, the lock-keeper, and his son
instantly hastened to the spot with the drags, but some
minutes elapsed before the body could be secured. The
deceased was carried to the nearest public-house, and Mr.
Maldola, a surgeon, was promptly in attendance, and used •
every means to restore animation, but, unfortunately, with •
ont avail. The deceased was a fine young woman, and
subsequently she was identified as Mary Ann Fage, aged
20 years, the daughter of Mr. Fage, the extensive broker
of Whitechapel-road. It appeared that the deceased was
much attached to a young man, with whom she had kept
company four years. They were out together last on Thurs-
day night, had some.words, and while standing at the door
of the father's house the young man refused to shake hands
with her. Tho deceased was much annoyed and cried, and
told him that, if he did not shake hands with her before they
separated, she would drown herself. He did not heed what
she had said, and left to go home. The deceased, however,
left home unseen, and committed self-destruction as above
described.

DESTRUCTIVE FIRE IN GLASGOW.—On Monday
morning the Lancefield Cotton Spinning
nn,eingbFaetory, Centre-
street, Tradeston, was totally
in stock, buildings, and machineryesr is 3 estimatedyfire.
at
which is nearly covered by the following insurances—Cor-
poration of Liverpool, £3,000; Royal, £2,000; Globe,
TSllBe, OloOsoB ,
£1,360; Phoenix, £,1,500; Sun, £5OO.
PRINTED PAPERS,—By a Parliamentary return
just issued it appears that the cost of printing reports and
papers presented by command of her Majesty, during the
session of 1859, was £19,700 9s. sd. This sum is exclu-
sive of the cost of the printing ordered by the two
Houses of Parliament, of job-work, printing, and of all
printed work not laid before Parliament.

(TBE PRIVILEGES OF THE 110 USE OF
COMMONS.

The following Report was presented to the
House of Commons yesterday :
The Select Committee appointed to search the
journals of both Houses of Parliament in order to
ascertain and report on the practice of each House
with regard to the several descriptions of bills im-
posing or repealing taxes have searched the said
journals accordingly, and have agreed to the fol-
lowing report :

I. Your committee have searched for precedents
in the journals, from the year 1628 to the present
time, in order that they might ascertain and re-
port on the practice pursued by either House with
regard to the several descriptions of Bills imposing
and repealing taxes. The practice and the modeof
procedure is somewhat different, according to the
character and object of those Bills. Your com-
mittee have, therefore, for the sake of clearness,
classified the same chiefly under one or other of the
following heads :-
1. Bills of Supply and Tax Bills ;

2. Bills for appropriating Supplies ;
3. Public Bills, which ire not strictly Bills of
Supply or Tax Bills, but which operate as a tax or
charge on the people; and
4. Bills for altering or repealing Acts which re-
late to Supply, Taxes, or Charges.
Your committee have thought it necessary to call
the attention of the House to those cases only in
which the Lords have interfered.
11. Your committee commenced their search with

the year 1628, for two reasons—first, because the
previous cases are most ably commented on in the
great precedent of 1671; and, secondly, because the
year 1628 is the year in which the present form of
granting the supplies may be said to have been
practically established.
BILLS OF SUPPLY AND TAX BILLS.
The Commons grant : the Lords assent.

111. The most ancient manner of giving aids to
the Crown was by the Lords and Commons, sepa-
rately from each other, each for themselves only,
and without mutual communication. But from a
very early period the Lords and Commons joined
together, and, since they did so, the fundamental
rule has always been—the Commons grant, the
Lords assent. In the great conferences held with the
Lords in 1640, 1671, and 1691, reference is made to
the " indemnity of the Lords and Commons," in 9th
Henry IV., 1407. This precedent is so important
that your committee think it right to give it in
full :
" On Wednesday, the 2d day of December, (1407),
which was the last day of Parliament, the Com-
mons came before the King and the Lords in Par-
liament, and there, by command of the King, a
schedule of indemnity, on a certain altercation that
had happened between the Lords and Commons,
was read; and on this, it was commanded by the
King that the said schedule should be entered in
record on the roll of Parliament; the tenour of
which schedule follows:
"Be it remembered that, on Monday, the 21st
day of November, the King our Sovereign Lord
being in. the Council Chamber within the Abbey of
Glocester, there being in his presence the Lords
spiritual ,and temporal in this present Parliament
assembled, it was discoursed among them concern-
ing the state of the kingdom, and how to defend it
against the malice of enemies, who on every side
are threatening the said kingdom and the faithful
subjects thereof; and that this malice cannot be re-
sisted unless, for the safeguard and defence of his
said kingdom, our Sovereign Lord the King have
in this present Parliament some considerable aid
and subsidy granted to hlm. And on this, the afore-
named Lords asked, by way of question,—What
aid would suffice and be needful in this case ? To
which demand and question it was by the said
Lords severally answered,—That, considering the
necessity of the King on the one hand, and the
poverty of his people on the other, less aid would
not suffice than a tenth and a half from the cities
and boroughs, and a fifteenth and a half from the
other lay people ; and; besides, to grant a pro-
longation of the subsidy of wools, hides, and wool-
fells, and of 3s. of tonnage and 12d. of poundage,
from the next approaching feast of St. Michael
till the feast of St. Michael two years next
ensuing. On which, by command of the King, a
message was sent to the Commons of this present
Parliament that they should cause to come before
the King, and the said Lords a certain number of
persons of their body to hear and report to their
companions what they should have in command
from our Lord the King aforesaid. And on this, the
said Commons sent to the presence of the King and
the said Lords 12 of their companions, to whom, by
command of the King, the aforesaid question was
declared, together with the answer of the said
Lords severally given to the same. Which reply it
was the will of the King flint they should report
to the remainder of
.their companions; so that they
should take steps to conform to the answer of the
Lords. Which report being made to the said Com-
mons, they were greatly disturbed, saying and
affirming that it was in great prejudice and dero-
gation of their liberties. And since our Lord the
King had become aware of this, not wishing that
anything should be done now, or in time to come,
which might be any wise turned against the liberty
of that estate for which they have come to Parlia
ment, nor against the liberties of the Lords afore-
said, he wills, grants, and declares, by the advice
and assent of the Lords, in manner as follows,—
that is to say :—That it is lawful for the Lords to
consider among themselves, in this present Parlia-
ment, and in every other time to come, in the ab-
sence of the King, of the state of the realm, and of
the remedies needful for this. And in like manner
it is lawful for the Commons on their part to con-
sider among themselves on the same state and reme-
dies. Provided always, that neither the Lords on
their part, nor the Commons on theirs, should make
any report to our said Lord the King, of any grant,
granted by the Commons and assented to by the
Lords, nor of the discussions on the said grant, before
that the said Lords and Commons are of one assent
and of oue accord in that matter ; and then in man-
ner and form as is accustomed—that is to say, by.
the mouth of the Speaker of the said Commons for
the time being ; so that the said Lords and Com-
mons shall be agreed with our Lord the King. Be-
sides this, the King wills, with the assent of the
Lords aforesaid, that the discussion in this present
2arliament, had, as above, should 'not be drawn
into an example in time to come, nor be turned to
the prejudice or derogation of the liberties of the
estate for which the said Commons are now come,
in this present Parliament nor in any other in time
hereafter. But he wills that they and all the other
estates should be as free as they were :be-
fore."—(Rolls of Parliament, 9th Henry IV., No.
21.)
IV. It was in 1628 the preamble of Supply Bills
was finally fixed as we now find it :—" Most gra-
cious Sovereign, we your Majesty's most faithful
Commons have given and granted to your Majesty."
On the 7th of June in that year a committee, con-
slating of Sir E. ;Coke, Mr. Glanville, Mr. Selden,
and many others, was appointed to draw the pre-
amble of the subsidy. In the preamble
as so drawn, the Commons only were named,
and the Lords omitted. To that omission the
Lords took exception. Conferences were held,
but the Commons adhered to their own form, for
" this course was not likedin this house, as being of a
dangerous example in point of consequence." Ulti-
mately, the Lords passed the bill without altering
the preamble, but, contrary to usage, they retained
the Bill in their House, " to which much exception
was taken." Nevertheless, when the King came to
prorogue Parliament, the Speaker presented it,
praying "his Majesty's Royal assent unto the bills
passed both houses."
V. In the short Parliament of 1640, the King
having come to the House of Lords and denianded
a present supply, the Lords requested a conference,
which was held on the 25th of April. A question
arose whether the Lords could in any way interfere
with the Commons relative to precedency which sup-
ply should have over other matters. On the 27th
of April the Lords expressed to the Commons their
opinion that, in regard of the urgency and even the
necessity of the King's affairs, the Commons should
begin with giving the King a supply, and a con-
ference was desired on that subject. The conference
was held, after which Mr. Herbert, the Solicitor-
General, reported, among other things, that the
Lords at the conference had stated that, "though
my Lords would not meddle with matters of sub-
sidy, which belonged naturally and properly to you,
no, not to give you advice therein, but have utterly
declined it, yet, being members of one body, and
subjects of the same King, and all concerned in the
common safety, and in their duty to his Majesty,
and in their zeal and natural love to their country,
themselves, and their posterity, they have declared
by vote, ' That they held it most necessary and fit
that the matter of supply should have precedency
before any other watter or consideration whatso-
ever,' and therefore desired a conference with you
to let you know their reasons." Upon this the
Commons resolved "that, by the matter propounded
in the late conference with the Lords, the privi-
leges of this House are violated." And further,
"that their Lordships' voting, propounding, and
declaring, touching matters of supply in such sort
as is contained in this Report, before it moved from
this House, is a breach of privilege of this House."
On the 27th of April a committee was appointed
to prepare an address unto the Lords for " righting
their privileges." The address was presented by
Mr. Pym, at a conference held on the 28th of April.
In this address Mr. Pym said, " Your Lordships, in.
the last conference, have been pleased to affirm that
the matter of subsidy and supply naturally belonging
to the House of Commons, your Lordships would

not meddle with it—no, not so much as to give ad-
vice ; yet after you were pleased to declare that, you
have voted in your Lordships' House that it was
most necessary and fit that matters of supply should
have precedency of all other business ; and this being
done, your Lordships would freely join with them in
all things concerning matter of religion, propriety of
goods, and liberty of Parliament." On the same day
the Lords resolved by the major part of the votes thus
—" That, by their Lordships first voting (we are of
opinion t hat the matter of his Majesty's supply should
have precedency, and be resolved of, before any other
matter whatsoever), was no breach of the privileges
of the Houss of Commons." The address of Mr.
Pym is preserved in the journals, and will be found
in the appendix, and the same committee ,that had
been directed to prepare the address was, on the 2d
of May, ordered "to take into consideration the
privileges mentioned in the conference with the
Lords, and to view such records as might any way
concern the same, and to present the same to the
judgment of the House, to consider what course to
take for the preservation of the same privileges."
It does not appear from the journals of either
House that anything further was done in the mat-
ter, Parliament having been dissolved on the sth of
May. .. . _ _ . .

VI. The practice which had been settled with re-
ference to the preamble in the year 1628 was con-
firmed at the Restoration. On that occasion the
Commons took the earliest opportunity of asserting
their privilege ; for on the 21st of July, 1660, when
Sir Heneage Finch, afterwards Lord Chancellor
Nottingham, reported a Bill for continuance of the
customs of tonnage and poundage, it was resolved
that the first clause in the Bill be thus amended—
namely, " The Commons assembled do give and
grant to your Majesty the subsidies hereafter fol-
lowing, most humbly praying your Majesty that it
may be enacted," &e. This Bill, having been read
a third time, was carried to the Lords; and Mr. An-
nesley was directed " to desire the Lords that, it
being a Bill concerning money, it be sent back to
the House when the Lords have passed it." As
soon as it had passed the Lords' House it appears,
front their journals, that a message was sent to the
Commons " to deliver the Bill to them which their
Lordships had passed ;" and it further appears from
I the same journals that the Commons by their Speaker
presented it to the King. From that time to this the
practice with regard to Bills of Supply has been in
conformity with this precedent. The Commons
alone are stated in the preamble to make the
grant. When the bill has passed their house the
Commons desire the concurrence of the Lords ;
when it has passed the Lords a message is sent to
the Commons, stating that the Lords have agreed
to it. The bill is afterwards returned to the Com-
mons, and when the Commons are summoned to
attend the Queen or. the Lords Commissioners, the
Speaker presents it for the Royal assent.
It is not unworthy to remark that the practice
with regard to Bills of Supply as thus established
is identical with the provisions of the Indemnity
Ordinance in 1407, as explained by the Attorney-
General in the precedent of 1671. " And as for the
case of 9 Henry 1V.," ho therein says, " called the
indemnity of the Lords and Commons, these things
are evidently proved by it;—
"First, that it was a grievance to the Commons
and a breach of their liberties to demand a com-
mittee to confer with about aids.
" Secondly, that the Lords ought to consider by
themselves, and the Commons by themselves apart.
" Thirdly, that no report shall be made to the
King of what the Common's have granted and the
Lords assented to till the matter is perfected ; so
that a plain declaration is made, that the Commons
grant, and the Lords assent.
" And, fourthly, that the gift ought to be pre-
sented by the Speaker of the, Commons."
BILLS OF SUPPLY, AND TAX BILLS.

Practice of the Commons where the Lords Amend.
VII. In the 17th century there are a few in-
stances where the Lords have amended Bills of
Supply, and the Commons have agreed to- such
amendments. It is impossible in all cases to ascer-
tain at this distance of time the exact 'nature of
such amendments. In some the amendments were
made for the purpose of preserving to the Peers the
ancient custom of assessing themselves by com-
missioners of their own ; in others, the amend-
ments were made for the correction of clerical
errors, or in furtherance of the intent and object of
the Bill; and in one or two eases the Commons
agreed on special grounds, such as " the present
necessity cast upon them by the shortness of the
session." With these exceptions, it appears from
the journals that this House has reserved to itself
the exclusive power over such Bills by'not allowing
any alterations of a substantial character to be
made in them. Thus, in the great precedent of the
13th of April, 1671, where the reasons drawn up
by the Attorney-General, and adopted by the House,
are stated so clearly that we have inserted them at
length in the Appendix,—amendments and clauses
were sent from the Lordb in a Bill for an imposi-
tion on foreign commodities. On that Bill being
sent back to the Commons, this House resolved,
nemine contradicente," That in all aids given to the
King by the Commons, the rate or tax ought not
to be altered by the Lords ;' " and on the third
conference with the Lords, held and reported to the
House, it was resolved—
" That the Lords' reasons, and the answer of this
House, be entered in the Journal of this House,
which are as followeth, viz. :
" Thursday, April 20.
"This conference was desired by their Lordships,
upon the subject-matter of the last conference, con-
cerning the Bill for Impositions on Merchandise,
&c., wherein the Commons communicated to the
Lords, as their resolution, that there is a funda-
mental right in that House alone, in Bills of Rates
and Impositions on Merchandise, as:to the matter,
the measure, and the time.
" And, though their Lordships had neither rea-
son nor precedent offered by the Commons to back
that resolution ; but were told that this was a right
so fundamentally settled in the Commons, that they
could not give reasons for it, for that would be a
weakening of the Commons Right of Privilege ;
" Yet the Lords, in Parliament, upon full consi-
deration thereof, and of that whole conference, are
come to this resolution, nemine contradicente;
" That the power exercised by the House of
Peers, in making the Amendments and Abatements
in the Bill, intituled An Act for an additional
Imposition on several Foreign Commodities, and
for Encouragement of several Commodities and
Manufactures of this Kingdom, both as to the
Matter, Measarc, and Time, concerning the Rates
and Impositions on Merchandise,' is a fundamental
inherent, and undoubted right of the House of
Peers, from -which they cannot depart."
Then follow the Lords' reasons, with the Com-
mons' answer, which deserve special consideration.
On the 22d of Apiil it was unanimously resolved
" That the thanks of the House be returned to
Mr. Attorney-General for his great pains and care
in preparing and drawing up the reasons delivered
to the Lords, in answer to their reasons, which was
by him performed to the great satisfaction of this
House; in vindication of -their privilege and just
and undoubted right of the Commons of England.
"And Mr. Speaker did accordingly deliver the
thanks of the House to Mr. Attorney-General."
Parliament was prorogued on the same day till
the 16th of April, 1672.
VIII. Even where the amendment is for the
abatement of a duty, or merely a change in the mode
of collecting it, the Commons have still insisted on
their privilege.
Thus, on the 24th of July, 1689, the Lords sent
down amendments to a Bill for collecting the
duty upon coffee, tea, and chocolate. In those
amendments certaiti drawbacks appear to have been
allowed upon the exportation of these commodities.
This House disagreed to them nemine contra-
dicente; and they gave as part of their reasons
that " they had always taken it as their un-
doubted privilege (of which they have ever been
jealous and tender) that in all aids given
to the King by the Commons, the rate or tax
ought not to be in any way altered by the Lords,"
And they add, " As to the proviso which your lord-
ships have sent to the Commons, the Commons do
disagree to it, and for that do refer to their first
reason ; the proviso being an alteration and lessen-
ing of the grant made by the Commons." To this
the Lords reply that they "are much surprised at
the assertion of the Commons, that, in all aids given
to the King by the Commons, that rate or tax ought
not to be in any way altered by the Lords, since
they conceive it hath always been their undoubted
right, in case of any aid given to the King, to les-
sen the rate or tax granted by the Commons." /n
the result, the Commons adhered to their former
opinion, and negatived the amendments ne
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House of Peers, from which their Lordships can

never depart. They have, therefore, thought them-
selves obliged to assert it upon this occasion. But,
considering that a difference between the two Houses
upon this Bill may create such delays in the pass-
ing of it as would be of the most fatal consequence
in the present conjuncture, the Lords have not
thought convenient at this time to insist upon their
provisoes."
It would be needless to quote to quote all the pre-
cedents where the Lords have interfered by amend-
ing Supply or Tax Bills. The year 1678 furnishes,
as shown by the Journals of the House of Commons,
a memorable resolution of the House on the " Rights
of the Commons in granting money." It is a re-
port of a committee appointed, from the members
who had managed the Conference on a " Supply.
Bill for Disbanding the' Forces," and which had
been returned with some amendments. dhey were
ordered to prepare and draw up a " State of the
Rights of the Commons in granting of money."
This resolution, thus prepared, was agreed to by.
the House, and is as follows :—" That all aids and
supplies to his Majesty are the sole gift of the Com-
mons ; and all Bills for the granting of any such
aids and supplies ought to begin with the Com-
mons ; and it is the undoubted and sole right of the
Commons to direct, limit, and appoint in such Bills
the ends, purposes, considerations, conditions, limi-
tations, and qualifications of such grants, which
ought not to be changed or altered by the House of
Lords." (For other precedents enforcing this rule
see App. No. 34, 35, 41, 44, 45.)
IX. The Commons have so' steadily adhered to
this rule that even in those cases where they have
allowed amendments for the mere correction of
clerical errors, or in furtherance of the object and
intent of the Bill, they have usually directed spe-
cial entries to be made in the Journals recording
the character and purpose of such amendments.
Thus, on the 25th of January, 1693, the Lords
amended a Bill for granting an aid of 4s. in the
pound by altering the word " receipt" into " pre-
cept," and by inserting the word " to," :which
had been unintentionally omitted, and by
leaving out the word. " any," which was a mere
redundancy through mistake of the clerk. The
Commons agreed to the amendments, but they or-
dered that " the said amendments be particularly
entered in the Journals, to the end that the nature
of thesaid amendments may appear." So, where
the words " Great Britain" were inserted by mis-
take for the word "England" the Lords' amend-
ments were agreed to, " it appearing that the word
' England' was originally in the Bill when pre-
sented to this House, and that the same had not
been altered in any of the subsequent proceedings
of the House in respect to the Bill." So, too, like-
wise where the title had been altered the Lords'
amendment was agreed to, "it appearing that the
said amendments were only for the purpose of
making the title agree with the context of the
Bill."
X. Where the Lords have altered a Bill of
Supply, the former practice of the Commons was
either to disagree to the amendments, and so give
the Lords the opportunity of waiving such amend-
ments, or else to lay the Bill aside. Thus on the
Bth of April, 1700, when amendments were made
in the Land-tax and Irish Forfeiture Bill, although
those amendments' as stated by the Lords, did not
relate to " aids and supplies granted to his Majesty
in Parliament," the Commons state the following
reasons for insisting on their right and their mode
of enforcing it :
"For that all aids and supplies granted to his
Majesty in Parliament are the sole and entire gift
of the Commons, and as all Bills for the granting.
such aids and supplies begin with the Commons, so
it is the undoubted and sole right of the Commons

to direct, limit, and appoint in such Bills the ends
and purposes, considerations, limitations, and quali-
fications of such grants, which ought not to be
changed or altered by your Lordships.
" This is well known to be such a fundamental
right of the Commons that to give reasons for it
has been esteemed by our ancestors to be a weaken-
ing of that right.
" The Commons, therefore, leave the Bills and
the amendments with your Lordships, together
with the ill consequences that attend the not
passing this Bill."
The last proceeding in this matter was a free
conference on the 11th of April, and a prorogation
of Parliament took place on the same day.
In some cases where a similar controversy arose
the difference terminated either in the prorogation
of Parliament or in no further proceedings being
taken on the Bills. On other occasions the Lords
have frequently given way, and so the difficulties
which might have arisen have been avoided. Thus
on the 11th April, 1677, the Lords madd amend-
ments to a Supply Bill, which the Commons disa-
greed to ; a free conference was held, and after such
conference it was ordered that such members as did
manage it " do search the journals for precedents
touching adhering to bills." In the afternoon of the
same day the question being put, to agree to the
amendments sent from the Lords, it passed in the
negative. But two days afterwards a message came
from the Lords, stating that they agreed to leave
out their amendments ; and so the Bill was carried.
XI. In later times, instead of disagreeing with
the Lords' amendments, the usual course has been
to postpone the consideration of them, or to lay the
Bill aside, or to reject it at once. This course was
sometimes taken in the ea-Hier periods of our his-
tory. On the 24th March, 1670-1, when amend-
ments came from the Lords to a Bill for laying a
duty on brandy, it is recorded in the journals that
these amendments "being for laying an imposition
on the people is a breach of the privilege of this
House, where all impositions on the people ought
to begin ; therefore the House did think fit to lay
the said Bill and amendments aside." On the 3d of
June, 1772, when a message came from the Lords
returning a Bill, entitled, " An Act to regulate the
Importation and Exportation of Corn," with an
amendment made in the Lords, that no bounty
should be paid on exported corn, it was " resolved,
nernine contradicente, that the said Bill with the
amendment be rejected." (For other cases in which
a similar course has been pursued, see appendix,
No. 47, 50, 99,15'8, 59, 60; 61, 63, 65.)
XII. Although such Bills, when amended by the
Lords, are usuilly laid aside by the Commons, it
does not follow that the object of them has been
lost. Where the Commons have desired to concur
in the substance of the amendments made by the
Lords, they have asserted their privilege by laying
aside the amended Bill, and have sent to the
Lords a new Bill, containing the amendment made
by the Lords. (See pars. XVII. and XX.)
BILLS OF SUPPLY AND TAX BILLS;
Practice of the Commons where the Lords do not

pass the Bill.

XIII. By a resolution of the House of Commons
passed in the reign of Elizabeth, it was laid down
that, " according to the ancient liberties and privi-
leges of this House, a conference. is to be required
by the Court, which at the time of the conference
demanded, shall be possessed of the Bill." When.
the LOrds, therefore, do not return the Bill the Com-
mons have lost all power over it, and have no direct
means, by conference or otherwise, of coming to any
agreement upon it. According to the search that
has been made in the journals there is no instance
of any Supply Bill having been actually rejected or
postponed by the Lords prior to the reign of Queen
Anne. Before that time amendments were made
and conferences held, which usually terminated as
above pointed out. The first instance in whick a
Supply or Tax Bill was rejected by the Lords occurred
in the year 1708. The Bill in that case was entitled
" AA, Act for Laying a further Duty on Woollen
and Worsted Yarn imported into this Kingdom.'
It was a B;11 founded on the resolution of a Com-
mittee of Ways and Means on the 25th of February,
1707 (0.5.), and it was passed by the Commons
towards raising the supply granted to his Majesty.
This Bill was sent to the Lords, and it was ordered
rejected.
Charlton' by them that the said Bill shall be and is hereby
re-
portedOn fthe
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fthe 1752, Mr.whole House, to
whom it it was referred to consider
further of Ways
and Means for raising the supply granted to his
Majesty, " That from and after the 29th of Septem-
ber, 40
1752, the sum of s. shall b e paid to his
Majesty for a license to be taken out
yearly for every person
. exercising the trade
dealing in second-
of a broker, hand goods, within
the Bills of Mortality." The Bill was sent to
the House of Lords, read there a second time, and
committed for the 24th of March ; but on the 21st,
after debate, it was resolved, " That the House be
put in committee on the bill on that day fortnight."
The bill was consequently lost, as Parliament was
prorogued on the 26th.
On the 20th of April, 1790, a bill, entitled "An
Act for Granting to his Majesty a Certain Sum
of Money, to be raised by lottery,"
a was brought
into the Commons, and a resolution of a Committee
of Supply. On the 20th of May it was sent to
the iLords.rt.The Lords
amended it, and on the
3d of June it was ordered by them that the report
of the amendments be taken into consideration
on that day three months. A new bill was after-
wards brought up from the Commons and passed.
On the 12th of June, 1827, a bill, entitled
" An Act for granting Duties of Customs on Corn"
which had passed the House of Commons, was
ordered by the Lords to be read a third time on
the 15th of June. The bill was abandoned by
the Government in the House of Lords, in conse-
quence .of an amendment which had been made in
committee, and affirmed on this report. The amend-
ment was to the effect that no foreign grain in bond
should be taken out of bond until the average price
of wheat should have reached 665. a quarter. On
the 19th of June, a second Bill was brought in by
the Com Mons upon a resolution, " that all corn
and grain, &c., now in warehouse, or which may