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consider was this, was it right for the Government to pro-
pose a reduction of taxation on the 10th of February with
this prospective war with China being present to their
mind ? He must thuefore say that the explanation of the
right hon. gentleman \ vas not satisfactory. H, also wished
to know how long this ,iix millions was to last. He also
wished to know what they were going to war for—were
they going to war for an allology? (Hear.)
Mr. B. COCHB,ANE moved that the Chairman report

progress.
Lord J. RUSSELL said he co guld
ust not allow the statement
of the right bon. gentleman who had j sat down to pass
entirely unnoticed. He was quit e aware of the grave re-
sponsibility that rested on her Maj esty's Government, but
they had sharers in that responsibili, ty. (Hear, hear.) He
was not about to blame the right h on. gentleman for the
-
I Government to which he belonged, b ut the house ninettake
into account the girders that were gie 'en, and the responsi-
bility that was incurred bic the right , hon. gentleman hio-
-
self and his colleagues in offiee. (Ilea 'r, hear.) When. the
account was received of the eignature of the treaty e - 'lien
thin, the Government of Lord Derby , sverywhere of a
the warmest coneeatulations. It was no matter of )el aloe
that the treaty of Tien-tsin was si,enect, But what nal, gilt'
the Government of Lord Derby have done ? Th eY
I might have sent out Mr. Bruce ale tee, who was well a o-
peainted with the Chinese authorities. ..The Chinese wei 13
sin and those 3
quite ready to negotiate the treaty oe •er ag,
have been
articles which were disagreeable to the W relight
re-consideed, and if necessary omitted. But that was not
the course Al'hieh Lord Malmesbury pursued. Two months
before the preOnt Government came into ofificg y there was a
•
in Kong, which Mr. Bruce, f Sir C. Strau-
b eeneztei en
,g
andat I IRoenabr- r_
_admiral Hope attended;' a n d there they
considered what were the instructions of the, ,G
government?
and what it behoved th9m
moos conclusion that it e,ias
Hope said that such was his.
to do. They came it 1 the unani-
their duty to ge el rith an im-
peeing force to the mouth o
e the Peiho; and Re tr-Admiral
interpretation of h is instruc-
tions. Where could he have reCeived those im itructions,-
except from the Admiralty of \v hi cb. the right ho n. baronet
was the first lord. (Hear.) And now the right hoi I. baronet:
came down with an air of surpri's'e, wondering' Jet, `vg it WE"
that the present Ministry could her
in a war, and calling upon them to eve involved the °°llntrY
account for it. It was I
at least something out of character -e'er the right hoe ‘.„ge°,ll' ' I
tleman to do this. (Hear.) Our re, T, 'resentatives in \ inini
had done what they had been comma t ded to do ; they . hati I
gone to the mouth of the Peiho with an imposing fo I'm
They had then no instructions. Lord Malmesbury e% 'aa
quite right in saying that he had given . no instructions , tO
leir. LBruce or Rear-Admiral Hope to re, -enter the river"
with a force or to clear the passage. BA, ttshavinf gen.:
there, and without instructions, they found le leuray..,eB, 7;
a -British plenipotentiary and Admiral, in a x lal'un't "
very considerable difficulty. The Chinese had a way te
carrying shields with very frightful heads upon them—.
most daring and terrific countenances; these the)" sup-
posed would frighten their enemies, and cause them U.' ran
away ; if they did not, they were very apt to run away
themselves. (Laughter.) If our plenipotentiary in Chin'
had gone with a very imposing force to the mouth of the,
Peiho, and, Wing the passage closed, had• turned round
and sailed back to Hong Kong, he would have been
imitating not the most honourable part of the Chinese
policy. (Hoar, hear.) The right hon. baronet was himself
in a great degree responsible for what Mr. Bruce and Ad-
miral Hope, having English hearts and feeling English
pride, had done on that occasion. We had first demanded
an explanation; but finding that the Emperor of China had
sanctioned these proceedings--though every one denied this
—we have asked an apology. What were we to do more ?
The right hon. baronet had quoted his (Lord John's) state
ment—that our only business in China was trade, but he
had added to that, security for the property and lives of
British subjects. (Hear, hear.) After a British force had
attempted to go up the Peiho, with the view of obtaining
the ratification of the treaty of Tein-tsin, after they had
been treacherously attuned, and had lost in killed and
wounded between 400 and 500 men—if we had then humbly
asked permission to have the tivaty ra*ied, without a word
more on our part, we should heive been exposing the pro-
erty and lives of every British tra In' to certain risk, and
probably a great many to certain dest'Lleti°n• (Hear' hear')
The right hon. baronet asked what was our present policy
in China. The Government, in the Pm' place, had asked
that the treaty of Tein-tein should be raiiled, with an apo-
logy, and no further compensation was ask© d. The French
Government had sent out orders to ask fo. compensation.
Mr. Bruce represented the danger that theiv would be in
making a separate demand from France ; theri.-geOre themnd Go
Itvernment had placed in his ultimatum a similar tte.
did not ar pear that this demand really made any sgifferenee
in the Chinese answer, which was a total refusal of our
terms. The question then was, whether the force that had
been sent should not proceed, and must not obtain Oa
terms that were asked. Could any one say that those teriyaki
had not been moderate and reasonable ? But the question
before the committee was, whether they would sanction the
expense that had been incurred—an expense caused by a
policy which the Government was ready to defend, and for
which the right hon. gentleman and his colleague's were as
responsible as they were. (Hear, hear.)
Sir J. ELPHINSTONE believed that by occupying &
strong point in the centre of China—one commanding AB
river navigation of the country—we might soon make the
Emperor of China very glad to give us security for all that
the interests of our commerce in China demanded.
Sir C. NAPIER thought it was wrong to send a diplo-
matist along with the admiral and general in China, and to
give him so much power over them. Admiral Hope and
General Straubenzee, if they had been left to themselves,
would have managed much better. If they had not been
goaded on as they were by Mr. Bruce, we should have been
spared that affair at the Peiho, and this large sum of money
to be paid for the war. It was the same when Lord Elgin.
was there, and he tried to exercise a similar influence over
Sir Michael Seymour, but that gallant officer, knowing bet-
ter than Lord Elgin how to deal with matters in China,
resisted that dangerous influence, and succeeded well in
very difficult circumstances. -
The CHAIRMAN Leing about to put the motion to relPrt

Lord PALMEltoromv 0.. house would not
agree to this motion. By dividing the vote into two por-
tions the Government had taken away every reason for an
adjournment of the debate, since hon. gentlemen would be
able to deliver their sentiments on the general subject of the
China war when the second vote came on. He therefore
really hoped the house would consent to this vote at once.
They could not imagine of course that the session was to he
eternal—(hear, hoar)—and they could not wish the entire
year to be devoted to the business of the House of Com-
mons. It would be extremely inconvenient to keep putting
off public business of great importance until the time when
they would scarcely have a day to spare.
Mr. B. COCHRANE said the reason he had moved to
report progress was that he and his &lends on that side had
been taken by surprise at the magnitude of this vote, which
was what none of them had ever imagined before it was laid
on the table. He also complained that no Foreign-office
despatches on this subject had been produced of later date
than the 10th of November.
Mr. DISRAELI said if the noble • lord had made his
speech on the value of time at the beginning of the session,
it might have been more beneficial. Midsummer-day was
now long past, and the house was naturally looking forward
to a termination of its labours for the session. There was
every wish to assist the Government in expediting the busi-
ness, and as on the second vote there would be another op-
portunity of making some observations on the present un-
satisfactory state of affairs,in China, he would ask his hon.
friend to withdraw the motion to report progress.
The motion was then withdrawn.
Mr. DISRAELI asked what course of proceeding the
Government intended for this day (Friday), in order to
facilitate the despatch of business.
Lord PALMERSTON replied that the ferst thing would
be to receive the report of the committee on this resolution,
supposing it now to be agreed to. The house would then
go into committee of supply, to take the second resolution,
and if that was concluded in time they would go into com-
mittee of ways and means..
The vote was then put by' the chairman, and agreed to.
The house then resumed.
THE ANNUITY TAX. ABOLITION (EDINBURGH)
BILL.

On the order of the day for the third reading of this bill,
Mr. DUNLOP protested against the passing of the
measure, as there was very little hope that it would be pro
ductive of any benefit. He should move that it be read a
third time that day three months.
Mr. E WING seconded the amendment.
Ayes
Noes
Majority
The bill was read a third time and passed.
THE CENSUS (ENGLAND) BILL.
This bill, as amended, was considered.
Mr. CIIILDERS moved in clause 4 after the words
" relation to head of family," to insert " ability to read and
write."
Sir G. C. LEWIS opposed the amendment.
The amendment was negatived, and the bill, as amended,
was agreed to, and ordered to be read a third time next
Monday.

THE CENSUS (IRELAND) BILL.
This bill was, as amended, considered and agreed to, and
ordered to be read a third time this day.
The Crown Debts and Judgments Bill was read a second
time.
The Enclosure (No. 2) Bill was reascdca.s(escocuoditilD__>
The Smithfield Markets, Streets, and Improvements Bill
was read a third time and passed.
REGISTRATION OF BIRTHS,
BILL.
This bill was read a second time and passed.
The Queen's Prison Bill passed through committee, and
was reported to the house.
, eh Act Amendment Bill was
The Court of Queens Ben
considered and agrees to.
as u r e(ss
c (Ireland
o LA (SCOTLAND)
Bill
) wasillLaLls.e read
1851
The Railways Act (Ireland) ( ) Amendment Bill was
read a secondlime.
FlSHERlESaraudreents to this bill were considered and
a sTechoenr teimigeh.te and
Mr. CAIRD then moved an amendment which should
agrTeheed TLtolie.rdEe'
longing to ham fish in a river not wholly be-
yoilippgosed the motion.
prevent aFpEeursoGnudsess;
After some discussion, the house divided—
For the amendment
Against it .
The Felony and Misdemeanor Bill passed through com-
mittee.
The Tramways (Ireland) Bill was read a third time and
passed.
PEACE PRESERVATION (IRELAND) ACT (1856)
AMENDMENT.
This bill was brought in and read a first time, and or-
dered to bo read a second time on Monday.
The other business was disposed of, and the house ad-
journed at twelve minutes to four o'clook.

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