The Sun.
London, England, 1869-06-01 00:00:00

FINING CHILDREN.

Mr. BRUCE said it wal quite true that two young chil-
dren had been fined by the Brentford magistrates for break-
ing down a fence, but the fiue had been inflicted in order
to reach the parents, who, it was believed, sent the chil-
dren out to do as they had done. The parents were in
court when the sentence was passed.
GRAND JURY LAWS (IRELAND).

Mr. C. FORTESCUE said he did not think it would be
possible to introduce any bill on the subject during the
present session.

CHAPLAINS IN PRISONS.

Mr. GLADSTONE, in reply to Mr. Verner, said he did
not contemplate that the passing of the Disestablishment
of the Mel Church Bill would create any difficulty with
reTect to the appointment of chaplains of the Established
Church. The subject would, of course, receive considera-
tion, and in the event of any difficulty arising a bill, of
course, would be introduced to meet the cas:..
THE IRISH CHURCH BILL.

On the motion fir the third reading of this bill,
Mr. HOLT said the alterations that had taken place
in the bill had not improved the measure in the
slightest, and the more the gentlemen on his side of
the house saw of the bill the more they disliked it.
(Hear, hear.) In order, therefore, that they might again re-
cord their dislike to the measure, he had felt it his duty
to move the negative of the bill, and those who agreed
with Lim would then have done all that it was possible to
do, and they would also have the satisfaction of knowing
that they had discharged their duty with a clear con-
science and clean hands. The hon. gentleman then pro-
c2eded to say that the Voluntary system of Scotland that had
been sofreluently referred to during the discussion of the bill
was not the success that it had been said to have been,
and read certain extracts to show tho smallness of
the sums received for the support of the. clergymen from
some of the smallest and largest places in that country.
He next referred to the legal trgument put forward by the
sight bon. member for Richmend (Sir R. Palmer), and
said it was tvident that the First Lord of the Trea-
sury and the Solicitor-General felt the force of
the points raised. The statements that had been
put forward with respect to the position of the Church in
New Yolk were equally transparent, and in support of his
argument he read an extract from a decision of Judge Story
with respect to a church iu Virginia when he said they
might disestablish it, but they had no right to confiscate its
property. (Hear, hoar.) He could only say that the bill
was promoted by a majority in that house, but not
of the country—that majority said, "We can and we
will," and thus the bill had passed through nearly
all its stages, and to-night they were asked to give it the
finishing touch, in order that it might be removed for con
aideration in another place, but he did hope if he was not

successful with his motion a result different to that expected
by her Majesty's Government would be arrived at. (clear,
hear.) He ridiculed the idea that ate, bill was based on
religious equality. It was equality all ou one side, and
such as never would be tolerated by Liberal members had
such a measure proceeded from the Opposition side of
the house. (Hear, hear.) The result of the measure
be believed would end in the revival in its most odious
form of religious rancour and internal discord in Ireland,
and, with respect to liberality, the Liberal Ministers bad
only exercised their liberality by giving away that which
belonged to others. lie, therefore, ?novel that the bill be
read a third time that day six months.
Lord ELCHO seconded the motion.
After some remarks from Mr. Disraeli, ho was followed
by Mr. Gladstone, who, in a speech of gie It &rer, gave
the final word of counsel and encouragenoino his fol-
lowers. Then the house divided, and the numbers were—
For the third reading 361
Against it 247

Majority for the third reading... ... 114
The announcement of the ',umbers was received with
vehement cheering from the Ministerial bmches.
The bill was then formally read a third time and passed,
and the house shortly afterwards adjourned.

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