The Sun.
London, England, 1860-04-17 00:00:00

Coastguard ships and tenders 3,206 men, which, with 3,438

serving on shore at the different stations, made a total of
6,644 seamen available for the fleet. Besides these, there
were 1,386 landsmen, whose places would, however, be filled
by seamen as rapidly as they were pensioned off. He did
not mean to deny that there were able points in the pam-
phlet of Admiral Martin, but he should like to ask what
additional security could be provided for ascertaining whe •
ther a man was really an able seaman—the point on which

Admiral Martin found so much fault with the Present scheme.
The man on presenting himself was first examined by the
shipping master, and as an additional security he could not

be admitted without being taken before the naval officer for

the district, who put such questions with regard to reefing

and steering and the marks of the lead as rarest sufficiently
test his ability as a seaman. In fact, if a defect existed in
the scheme, it was, as had been pointed out by the right
hon. gentleman the member for Oxfordshire, that tile pre-
liminary examination was too searching. (Hear, hear.)
Admiral Martinwas a most excellent and efficient member of

the commission, but he maintained that the statement in
which he took pains to show that the men who were being
entered could not be depended on, was, as regarded the Ad-

miralty, very unfair and unjust. Without incurripg the
risk of being called to order, he could not refer to the case
of the commanders of the coastguard, but he might state
that they wore included in the scheme pf the retirement of

officers Which he was most anxious of having an opportn

nity of laying before the house.
Sir C. NAPIER complained that his question still re-
mained unanswered, and that the Secretary to the Admi-
ralty had given a very poor account of Admiral Martin's
pamphlet. The noble lord represented that there were G,OOO
men ready to go on board ship, whib Admiral Martin li-

mited the number to 3,200 ; and he further stated that there
were only 1,300 landsmen in the coastguard, while Admiral
Martin held that there were 4,000, mho ought to be got rid
of as quickly as possible. The noble secretary further in-
formed the house that nothing could bo done by the ship-
ping master in reference to the arolment of volunteers
without consulting the naval officer, but in a letter which
he had received from an officer will acquainted with the
nature of this reserve, it was stated, " The sailors complain
that they do not understand the regulations—that the ship-
ping master tells them one thing and the naval officer
another." (Hear.) "When men come forward to volun-
teer they wish to be drilled at once, and not to have it hang-
ing over their heads. Many now regret that they have
joined the reserve, and prevent others from doing so, while
efficient sailors are often turned away by the foolish ques-
tions which are asked." The noble lord the Secretary to
the Admiralty might be a very good sailor, but if he were
to put before him the shear-block of a line-of-battle ship,
and ask him what sized rope he would strop it with, he
might feel equally at a loss with Jack to give an answer off
hand. (Laughter.) The fear of punishment by the lash
without previous trial by court-martial 'likewise operated
injuriously on the volunteer force. (Hear.)
Lord LOVAINE wished to know whether any disincli-
nation to enter the coastguard had been manifested from a
belief that the retiring allowance was not as attractive as in
former years.
Mr. LINDSAY hoped some explanation would be given
of the discrepancy between the statements of Admiral Mar-
tin and the noble lord the Secretary to the Admiralty. It
was very desirablo to ascertain whether those 6,000 men
were all really able seamen, or whether any portion of them
were mere landsmen, whohad been put into the Coastguard
through favour or patronage. As to the mode of entering
seamen for the navy, if they were to be obtained from the
merchant service the usual shipping masters were more
likely to get them thannaval officers. He believed one of
the greatest discouragements to entering the naval service
was the objection seamen felt to the present form of the
Articlep of War, that inflicted the penalty of death for com-
paratively trifling offences, though, of course, the punish-
ment was very rarely carried into effect. The Admiralty
would not obtain sailors freely till the Articles of War were,
modified. He wished to know what had been done with
the £lOO,OOO voted last year for the Coast Volunteers; and
what would be done with the same sum asked for in the
present estimates P
Mr. HENLEY thought the regulations under which sea-
men were required to enter the navy should be simplified ;
as they stood, no one could understand them. Why could
not the Admiralty allow a man to enter for a month, and
then rate him an A.B. if capable, or send him about his
business ? At the utmost they could only lose the few
shillings they might pay the man more than he was worth,
and they would have the advantage of a month's trial, in-
stead of first'aeking a series of questions that real sailors
disliked and resented.
Mr. W. WILLIAMS ascribed the unwillingness to enter
thenavy to the continuance of the punishment of flogging,
and hoped the Admiralty would find some substitute for it.
Admiral WALKER asked what were the ages and quali •
fications foPtntering into the Coast Volunteers ?
Lord C. PAGET, in reply to the question of the hon.
member for Sunderland (Mr. Lindsay), said that of the
£lOO,OOO voted last year for the Coast Volunteers only a
small part had been expended; the rest would fall in to the
Chancellor of the Exchequer. Of the present vote of
the same amount a portion would be immediately expended
in fitting up two training ships in the river for the volun-
teers. The number of the naval reserve entered was, he
might add, about 800.
Mr. LYG ON complained of the large amount which was
set down in the vote for lodging accommodation.
Admiral DUNCOMBE, adverting to the difficulty of
procuring an adequate number of men for the naval reserve,
expressed it to be his opinion that the cause was to some
extent to be found in the fact that the value of the article
required was not given.
Sir C. NAPIER said that, as there seemed to be no dis-
position on the part of the Admiralty to provide efficient
ships in the place of the block ships, he felt it to be his
duty to move that the vote for the coastguard be reduced
by £4,000.
Lord LOVAINE feared, whatever bounties they offered,
they would not get the number of A.B.'s wanted. They
were not to be had. It was in evidence before the Mer-
chant Shipping Committee that the number of A.B.'s in
the merchant service had within the last 20 or 30 years
diminished beyond all precedent. The advantages offered
in futuro might, however, do much.
Sir C. NAPIER withdrew his amendment, thinking it
better to bring forward some specific motion on the subject.
Sir J. ELPHINSTONE recommended smaller vessels
to be employed as school-ships than the line-of -battle-ships
now used. It was not convenient to congregate together
2,000 boys in one ship.
Lord C. PAGET replied that the block ships were quite
unfit for school ships, there being no room below. They
did not mean to place more, probably, than 500 boys to-
gether.
A vote was then agreed to.
On the vote for the scientific branch being proposed,
Mr. B, JOHNSTONE inquired whether it was true that
at one of our largest dockyards an immense number of ar-
tificers and shipwrightshad been discharged, and that they
were going over to France ?
The CHAIRMAN said the question was not relevant to
the present vote.
Mr. B. JOHNSTONE would then move that they re-
port progress, in order to have an answer to his question.
Lord C. PAGET said he had not heard that any arti-
ficers were going over to France, but a number had been
discharged at the end of the financial year in consequence
of the reduction of the estimates.
In reply to a question from Admiral WALCOTT,
Lord C. PAGET said there would be no objection to al-
lowing officers who had retired from the malice the value
of their chronometers as determined by the Astronomer
Royal. The Board of Admiralty had framed an order—to
which he trusted they would soon obtain the sanction of the
house—for granting three chronometers to line-of-battle
ships, frigates, or troopships, two chronometers to sloops,
and one to gunboats. It was only fair that officers should
be relieved from the expense of providing their own chro-
nometers.
The vote was then agreed to, and the chairman ordered
to report progress.
ADULTERATION OF FOOD OR DRINK BILL.
This bill, as amended, was considered.
CENSUS (ENGLAND).

Mr. CLIVE moved for leave to bring in a bill for taking
the census of England.
The motion was agreed to.
The bill was then brought in and read the first time.
The house adjourned at a quarter past 12 o'clock.

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