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of payment, which ours did not. As to the propriety of
taking it out of the customs duties received by British
agents, that was a question for his noble friend at the
head of the Foreign-office. They must hope for the best,
and look for a speedy termination of the affair.
FORTIFICATIONS AND WORKS.
On tho bringing up of the report on fortifications and
wot ks,

Admiral WALCOTT said he did not rise to oppose the
reception of the report, but to urge upon the Government
the immense importance of adding to the strength of our
navy in the shape of gunboats and steam rams. He was
aware that in advocating that view he might be twitted by
the Premier that he was advocating "nothing like leather,"
but when they looked at the vital importance of maintain-
ing our command in the Channel, the 'gravity of the ques-
tion could not be overrated.

Mr. WILLIAMS, as one of the few who voted against
the resolution, said that if he thought there was any danger
he would be the last man to do so ; but he was convinced
that coast defences now were so great as to render any in-
vasion impossible.

Sir J. PAKINGTON would support the Government in
respect to the proposed fortifications. To carry out these
fortifications would make an increased barrack accommoda-
tion necessary, and he hoped the Government would esta-
blish naval barracks and naval drill. Our naval organisa-
tion was most defective, and he hoped the Government
would see that it was improved, so as to have what was
called a standing navy. Naval officers complained of the
present system, and he hoped his suggestions on this sub-
ject would be attended to by the Government.
Lord C. PAGET entirely agreed with the right hon.
baronet in reference to naval barracks and naval drill, and
he had to express his surprise that the right hon. gentle-
man did not act upon these suggestions when he was in
power as First Lord of the Admiralty.
The resolutions were agreed to.
SUPPLY.

The house went into committee of supply, and the de-
bate was resumed on the item of 439,500 for the expenses
of the new Houses of Parliament.

Mr. SMITH complained of the very unsatisfactory war
in which this question was brought before the house. He
particularly alluded to their being asked for money for
fuel and lights along with the money for lands. Would
any private individul lump together his items for coals and
gas with the money he spent in the purchase of farms ?
Why was the furniture of the Houses of Parliament sepa-
rated from the furniture of the other public offices ? Ho
complained amongst other things of the statues to be
erected, costing £BOO each. This vote was for £39,500, but
last year it was £58,000, none of which had been leaned
from the Exchequer. They had therefore £98,000 in hand
to meet an expenditure of some £40,000. lie should take
the sense of the house on this subject, for if the Government
had those large sums at their command, it would naturally
make them indifferent to the necessity of bringing on these
matters early in the session.
Mr. E. JAMES said that the house ought to know who
were to execute these two statues spoken of as having been
ordered at a cost of £BOO each ; and they ought to knout
also who were to be selected as the subjects of these sta'
tues. (Hear, hear.) Were the British sovereigns to be
taken chronologically ? Were they to begin at the Normal&
Conquest, or earlier, or when ? (Hear.) Were they to
have a statue of Oliver Cromwell ? (Hear.) The Presi-
dent of the Board of Works was not very distinct on this
point, and he should like an explicit reply. (Hear.) He
understood that certain Commissioners of the Fine Arta
had reported against having a statue of Oliver Cromwell.
The right hon. gentleman gave no opinion of his own en
this point, but contented himself with saying that this wal
not the proper time for discussing the subject. This was 0
question which appealed to the feelings of the whole Bri-
tish people. He would not ask whether the statue of Oliver
Cromwell should be between the statues of Charles the First
and Charles the Second. He thought it should possibly
stand alone, towering over the statues of the legitimate
sovereigns of England. (Hear, and criesoof « Oh, oh.")
Sir G. BOWYER could not understand the admiration
of the hon. and learned gentleman for Oliver Cromweill
who was a great tyrant and a regicide, who cut off the
head of his sovereign, Charles the First, and who shut UP
the House of Commons. (Hear, hear, and Oh, oh.) lit
could not understand how the statue of such a man 6110111'1
be placed in the Palace at 'Westminster.
Mr. BENTINCK wanted an explanation with reference
to a vote which -was asked, upwards of £4,000, for the do'
coration of the Palace of Westminster. He thought the
Fine Arts Commission had got quite as rauch money
hand as they ought to expend.
Mr. COWPER hoped that at that reriod of the session
they would not discuss the historical character of Cron'
well. The proposal of the Fine ATts Commission was °
begin with the later sovereigns, e.nd therefore any disune
sion on the merits of Cromwell was premature. At the
rate of two sovereigns a year—(a laugh)—it would be some
time before they came to Oliver Cromwell. The artiste
proposed to be employed were Thorneycroft and Field
There were also Mr. Herbert and Mr. Maclise, whose Anal°
and labour, and skill were equally commendable. ill
March there was £107,000 to the credit of the ;rouges of
Parliament, and that would be applied to the purposes for
which it wus voted. It would be perfectly irregular V,.
deduct the unexpended balance from the present vote. 1"
ought to be returned to the Consolidated Fund. He Pr°.
posed that they should purchase a site fer stables for the
Speaker, somewhere in the neighbourhood of the house,
suitable to the establishment which he was required
maintain, and he believed that the sum asked for in the
estimates would not be thought too much. They were
treaty for a site. He would rather not mention the araolio
they might be expected to pay for that site, as the matter
was not yet concluded ; but he could assure the house tl3llt
1
the greatest economy would be observed, and that a
account would be duly rendered.
Mr. SPOONER moved that the vote for the collider
embellishments be reduced by £1,200.
Mr. JAMES hoped the suggestion of the right lic,„/°.
gentleman would be adopted, for if the corridor were to 1"'
embellished according to the views of the right hon. gents'
man, we might have a picture of Oliver Cromwell as 16'
as a statue of George IV. (Laughter.)
The,committee then divided, and there appeared--
For the reduction
Against 67
Majority
Mr. SPOONER'S motion was therefore lost.
Mr. AUGUSTUS SMITH said there were large balance°
in hand for the supply of gas, warming, and valltilatit°P
&c., and now the house was asked to vote far the same pu„, i
poses large sums without having expended the sum alrew",..
in hand. He would move, therefore,
that the vote
reduced by £30,597.
Mr. COWPER COWPER said the object was to vote the sum re
quired out of the unexpended balance.
BIG BEN.
Mr. BOWYER wished to know what was to be do
el
with the cracked bell. He thought it should be molt of
down and made into kettles. (Laughter.) He did ri.
think such a bell was required. It would only be 1' /111 V
sauce to have it sounding every hour,
Mr. MALINS was of the same opinion.
'ders"
Mr. COWPER said the matter was under the cons 1 •
tion of scientific men, and it was intended that the hour'
should be struck by the quarter bells. The clock was eO2l.
sidered good in every respect.
The committee divided, when there appeared—
For the amendment
Against
Majority —2B
.74
The vote was then agreed to, and the OKA.IIII re
1,--
ported progress.

WAYS AND MEANS.
The house went into committee of ways and means,
a vote of £10,000,000 was agreed to.
Sale of Gas Act Amendment (N 0.3) Bill was discharged'
METROPOLIS LOCAL MANAGEMENT ACT
AMENDMENT BILL.
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The motion for resuming the adjourned debate on titi.
bill was made at twenty-five minutes to three o'clock, 1
after some conversation the debate was postponed.
The other business of the house was then'diaposed off,
and the house adjourned at twenty minutes to three o'cloolf.'

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