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London, England, 1860-04-20 00:00:00

respect to the green wood, they required very large timbers
for the rudder, and it was impossible to get seasoned wood
of the size required. They therefore used green wood in
that case only. With regard to teak, they had a very large
quan

in stock, and would add to it this year in propor-
R. We were now building four iron-cased ships, and if
they were successful wo would not hear much more of line-

of-battle ships. He maintained that it would be unwise on

our part to increase the number of our ships built on the
present model if this system should prevail.
Mr. HENLEY said he had given no opinion of his own
on the subject when he spoke the other night. He merely
quoted authorities in the naval dockyards as to the season.,
ing of timber. As to the supply of timber, he relied upon
the evidence of the Storekeeper-General, and he found that
even the First Lord of the Admiralty estimated the annual
supply of timber at 65,000 loads. Ho (Mr. Henley) consi-
dered that quantity insufficient. Sir B. Walker thought
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three line-of-battle ships and three frigates, and four
small vessels, ought to be built every year, and the quantity
of timber required for them would be 32,000 loads. sow,
when you take into consideration the number of additional
vessels required, it was obvious that at least 80,000 loads
would be required per annum. Ho would not give any

opinion as to the seasoning of the timber that would come
in, nor would he deny the Government the credit of doing
the best they could, but he thought it desirable to have as
large an amount as possible of timber on hand, to meet any
accidents that might happen., He did not, however, think
that the 60,000 loads would be sufficient. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. BENTINCK observed that the price of anchors and
chains for some years had not diminished, although in pri-
vate yards they could be manufactured at one-third the
amount of what they cost in Government establishments.
The public had been invited to compete for the contract
for chains and anchors, but for sevei al years one firm had a
monopoly of the work. He thought this unfair. (Hear.)
Mr. RTDLEY wished to know whether the Government
were of opinion that it was better for the public service to
build largo line-of-battle ships of timber, instead of building
them of iron, and without any reference to recent improve-
ments in the science of gunnery ?
Sir C. NAPIER asked whether it had ever entered into

the heads of the Board of Admiralty how a ship could be
managed after her coals had been burned out?
Sir W. JOLLIFFE said the estimate last year for steam-
vessels and gunboats was £500,000 ; for other vessels em-
ployed in the_service £1,400,000, and he thought the total
sum asked for the year was large in proportion to former
years.

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Mr. LYGON then moved the adjournr.aent ofdeupon which a division took place, when the nue:lA
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A motion was next made that the debate be 0.1...8
to this evening which was agreed to, a'nd the 11°''''
journed at two ,'clock.
BIRTHS.
CALDECOTT.—On the 18th inst., at Sneresbroos-, -
Caldecott, of a daughter. the Wit°
CLARKE.—On the 16th inst., at Southampton,
Captain Clarke, R.E., of a daughter.
MARRIAGES.
MARSHALL—SNOW.--On the 17th inst., at St. ""'`t",;
Devon, CaptaimEdward Marshall, Royal NOY' sstl'l
vinia Maitland, second daughter of Thomas SOW,
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Andrew Amos, Esq., Downing Prefessor of' the 1,3"
England.
HOPE.—On the 17th inst., at Exeter, Colonel Johnl.
R.E., aged 64.
WOOD.—At Graefrath, Prussia Commander James age
R.N., son of the late John George Wood, tlsql
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After a few words from Sir M. PETO,
Mr. FREELAND asked was any arrangement in pro-
gress for improving our coal depots, where the fleet might
be expected to rendezvous, and for facilitating the means of
getting coals on board ship in cases of emergency. To these
purposes he thought that a portion of the large sum intended
to be expended on foi tificatiens might advantageously be
employed.
Lord C. PAGET said that no great progress had been
made in improving their coal depots, or the means of placing
coals on board ship, as, with large crews, the old appliances
had been found to answer. There were, however, two
clever machines of recent construction on trial, and, if suc-
cessful, they would be adopted. With regard to the cost of
anchors and chains, it was quite true that the Admiralty
had but one manufacturer of those articles. Messrs. Brown
and Lennox supplied them, and the anchors purchased from
that firm were of the cheapest quality. He, however, agreed
with the hon member for Norfolk that it might not be unad-
visable on the part of the Admiralty to consider the propriety
of opening the contract to competition. With regard to
the cost of the large iron ships in progress of being built,
he should briefly state the amount. There were four iron-
cased ships at a contract of £739,325, the engines £210,115,
making a total of £949,440, or nearly a million for the hulls
and machinery ; six screw sloops of 200-horse power, at a
cost of £88,754, and £60,000 for the engines; 12 gun vessels
of 80-horse power each, at a cost of £119,255, and ma-
chinery £19,960 ; 10 gunboats of 60-horse power each, at
a cost of £62,382, and £32,235 for machinery. The total,
therefore, for hulls was £270,000, and £141,000 for engines.
The grand total cost of vessels in course of construction by
contract, therefore, amounted to £1,355,807. With the ess
ception of the four iron-cased vessels, all the others, 67 in
number, were wooden ships. None of these vessels had
their boilers so adapted that when the coal was entirely
consumed they could be ballasted with water.
Sir J. ELPHINSTONE considered the system of test-
ing cables was perfect, and suggested that the new vessels
should be fitted up with smoke-consuming apparatus.
Mr. LINDSAY ebjected to the vote on the sill°
ground that they did not get value for their money.
an
reiterated his charge that the Admiralty paid for chore
and cables 100 per cent. higher than they could be obtains('
from other parties in London, quite competent to suPPII
articles of equal quality. Ho wished to know whether the
coals were supplied by public tender or private contract ?
Mr. BRUCE said that public tender was not the best
means of getting good coal on moderate terms. The AV
miralty ought to employ trustworthy agents.
In reply to Mr. BENTINCK,
Lord C. PAGET thought, that under the new arrange"
ments the Admiralty would have a good supply of coal!.
There was an officer whose duty it was to make a vseekli
report on the subject. As to the consumption of smoke,
two men were starting upon entirely opposite principles,
and until this controversy was settled they could only es:
periment on the subject, and they were now fitting tIP "
few vessels for the purpose.
Admiral WALCOT observed that the sum of £400,00°
was an enormous sum for coal, and he thought that
rstructione Should be given only to use steam when it was
necessary. A little more use of canvass would be both
beneficial and economical.
In reply to Sir J. PAKINGTON,
Lord C. PAGET said that the iron-case ship ordered
would be launched in the beginning of July. There Were
other ships of that construction contracted for, but he cons"
not state at present when they would be ready.
The vote was then agreed to.
The CHAIRMAN reported progress, and the house re.
sum ed.
SIR JOHN BARNARD'S ACT, &c., REPEAL Re-se
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved to
second reading of this bill.
Mr. BENTINCK moved that the debate be now As;
journed. He should oppose the further progress of
bill at that late hour.
The house then divided—
For the adjournment
Against it
Majority —B9
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Mr. BOVILL moved that the house do now asliells'ol
He had heard three accounts of the object of this
one of which agreed with the other. The principle et 'hs
bill was to sanction gambling of the worst description
the Legislature. No discussion had yet taken Oise sAas
the principle of the bill, and he therefore moved the
journment of the house.
The SOLICITOR-GENERAL hoped his hon. The
learned friend would not persevere in his motion. lip
object of the bill before the house was to repeal Sir .141
Barnard's Act, which involved two principles, One Pis
relation to wagers, and the other to making transactionsso
the funds gambling. Now, the great purpose of the 4
before the house was to get rid of this latter provisl°o
which interdicted transactions in the funds which ~,g,
bone fide, and which could not be considered as gasabilits
for stockbrokers were dealing with property entrusts
them to sell, and which must be considered, in every sew
of the word, as proper transactions to be dealt in.
The house then divided—
For the adjournment 6O
Against it
Majority
Lord 11. T. TIIYNNE then moved that the debate
now adjourned. as
Sir J. TRELAWNY complained that by these I.o°- ece
he was prevented from bringing on his motion in refere A
to church rates. These divisions were intended to uP
the Church Rates Bill.
Mr. COLLINS protested against these divisions beiD6
taken as divisions against the church rate measure. bbl:
Mr. MALINS said although he was in favour of thetst
yet at that hour of the morning it ought not to be pre° bile
a
with. It was always understood that any unoppFe,„e
should not be proceeded with after 12 o'clock at ntgls'fliea
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER %yore'
that that was ever understood, because, if so, the Go' lie
ment could not carry on the business of the countr9.ooo!
denounced the attempt of a minority, or rather sinasli tbed
of members, to obstruct public business, but after sold netoccurred, he thought her Majesty's Government WO
be justified in proceeding with the bill. .„
After a few words from Sir Fs K ELLY, the Wl'
postponed.
The Wine Licenses Bill was postponed till ISIoncla9:0 Se
On the motion that the Church Rates Abolition P'
read a third time, beili
Lord J. MANNERS opposed it, and hoped t. 14611
baronet would not proceed st ith it at that hour (ii se
one) of the morning. He moved that the debate W
journed.
After a few words from Mr. BENTINCK, to
Lord PALMERSTON said he would be willing ot fo
his hon. fiend the hon. baronet Tuesday morning 11
the discussion of the bill. (A laugh.)
The house then divided, when the numbers war
For the adjournment . 131
Against it ..
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